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The previous Open Thread has passed 1,000 comments, so here’s a new one.

I’m including a link to a long post by Graham Fuller, a former Vice Chair of America’s National Intelligence Council at the CIA:

I’m excerpting a few of his telling paragraphs:

Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war. Any longer-term damage to Russia is open to debate.

American sanctions against Russia have turned out to be far more devastating to Europe than to Russia. The global economy has slowed and many developing nations face serious food shortages and risk of broad starvation.

There are already deep cracks in the European façade of so-called “NATO unity.” Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia. Indeed, this is not a Ukrainian-Russian war but an American-Russian war fought by proxy to the last Ukrainian.

Contrary to optimistic declarations, NATO may in fact ultimately emerge weakened. Western Europeans will think long and hard about the wisdom and deep costs of provoking deeper long term confrontations with Russia or other “competitors”of the US.

Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world. America’s willingness to go to war to this end is increasingly dangerous to others.

Washington has also made it clear that Europe must sign on to an “ideological” struggle against China as well in some kind of protean struggle of “democracy against authoritarianism”. Yet, if anything this is a classic struggle for power across the globe. And Europe can even less afford to blunder into confrontation with China–a “threat” perceived primarily by Washington yet unconvincing to many European states and much of the world..

China’s Belt and Road initiative is perhaps the most ambitious economic and geopolitical project in world history. It is already linking China with Europe by rail and sea. European exclusion from the Belt and Road project will cost it dearly. Note that the Belt and Road runs right through Russia. It is impossible for Europe to close its doors to Russia while maintaining access to this Eurasian mega project. Thus a Europe that perceives the US already in decline has a little incentive to join the bandwagon against China. The end of the Ukraine war will bring serious reconsideration in Europe about the benefits of propping up Washington’s desperate bid to maintain its global hegemony.

Europe will undergo increasing identity crisis in determining its future global role. Western Europeans will tire of subservience to the 75 year American domination of European foreign policy. Right now NATO is European foreign policy and Europe remains inexplicably timid in asserting any independent voice.How long will that prevail?

We now see how massive US sanctions against Russia, including confiscation of Russian funds in western banks, is causing most of the world to reconsider the wisdom of banking entirely on the US dollar into the future. Diversification of international economic instruments is already in the cards and willl only act to weaken Washington’s once dominant economic position and its unilateral weaponisation of the dollar.

One of the most disturbing features of this US-Russian struggle in Ukraine has been the utter corruption of independent media. Indeed Washington has won the information and propaganda war hands down, orchestrating all Western media to sing from the same hymnbook in characterizing the Ukraine war. The West has never before witnessed such a blanket imposition by one country’s ideologically-driven geopolitical perspective at home. Nor, of course, is the Russian press to be trusted either. In the midst of a virulent anti-Russian propaganda barrage whose likes I have never seen during my Cold Warrior days, serious analysts must dig deep these days to gain some objective understanding of what is actually taking place in Ukraine.

Would that this American media dominance that denies nearly all alternative voices were merely a blip occasioned by Ukraine events. But European elites are perhaps slowly coming to the realization that they have been stampeded into this position of total “unanimity”; cracks are already beginning to appear in the façade of “EU and NATO unity.” But the more dangerous implication is that as we head into future global crises, a genuine independent free press is largely disappearing, falling into the hands of corporate-dominated media close to policy circles , and now bolstered by electronic social media, all manipulating the narrative to its own ends. As we move into a predictably greater and more dangerous crises of instability through global warming, refugee flows, natural disasters, and likely new pandemics, rigorous state and corporate domination of the western media becomes very dangerous indeed to the future of democracy. We no longer hear alternative voices on Ukraine today.

Finally, Russia’s geopolitical character has very likely now decisively tilted towards Eurasia. Russians have sought for centuries to be accepted within Europe but have been consistently held at arms length. The West will not discuss a new strategic and security architecture. Ukraine has simply intensified this trend. Russian elites now no longer possess an alternative to accepting that its economic future lies in the Pacific where Vladivostok lies only one or two hours away by air from the vast economies of Beijing, Tokyo, and Seoul. China and Russia have now been decisively pushed ever more closely together specifically out of common concern to block unfettered US freedom of unilateral military and economic intervention around the world. That the US can split US-induced Russian and Chinese cooperation is a fantasy. Russia has scientific brilliance, abundant energy, rich rare minerals and metals, while global warming will increase the agricultural potential of Siberia. China has the capital, the markets, and the manpower to contribute to what becomes a natural partnership across Eurasia.

Sadly for Washington, nearly every single one of its expectations about this war are turning out to be incorrect. Indeed the West may come to look back at this moment as the final argument against following Washington’s quest for global dominance into ever newer and more dangerous and damaging confrontations with Eurasia. And most of the rest of the world–Latin America, India, the Middle East and Africa– find few national interests in this fundamentally American war against Russia.

https://grahamefuller.com/some-hard-thoughts-about-post-ukraine/

—Ron Unz

 
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  1. • Agree: AP, Philip Owen
    • Thanks: Pixo
    • LOL: Aether, SIMP simp
    • Replies: @nickels
    , @Philip Owen
  2. I’ve only watched about an hour so far. The internet tells me Portal is 5′ 5″ tall, so I guess that means in real life he is 5′ 2″. That is 157 cm for all of you godless Europeans.

    Also when I looked that up google served me as a side dish some reddit post where a body weight fitness fan claims that everything Portal promotes that is actually useful he took from this guy:

    [MORE]

    Building the Gymnastic Body: The Science of Gymnastics Strength Training by Christopher Sommer

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  3. A123 says: • Website

    Mr Unz,

    The article has a critical problem. It does not address the fact that the U.S. has an unelected coup leader, Not-The-President Biden. For example:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    As the U.S. is incapable of leading. It is impossible for Europe to follow something that does not exist. The article should have said:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the European/WEF Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    Another example:

    Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world.

    The White House occupant is so far gone he cannot successfully ride a bicycle. A mental invalid cannot form a foreign policy “vision”. Thus, by process of elimination, the “vision” must be European in origin. The article should read:

    Europe is a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “EU leadership” in the world.

    Bottom line:

    — The Problem with Europe is *Europe*

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Incorrectly attributing Europe’s mistakes to America is the European WEF’s #1 backup plan. They seek to avoid responsibility for the actions of their EU Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: tyrone
  4. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @TheJester
  5. Kaliningrad situation is a significant development.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  6. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    Let me Fix That For You:

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (European Elites) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @haha
  7. A123 says: • Website

    For anyone interested in a light online game, Tiny Islands is entertaining:

    https://dr-d-king.itch.io/tiny-islands

    PEACE 😇

     

  8. German_reader says:

    Interesting thread:

    Maybe Lithuania is actually on the right track. Perhaps rail traffic to Kaliningrad should be stopped completely.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @bob sykes
  9. @German_reader

    btw, it was initiative of a European Commision headed by von der Leyen, they sent explanatory letter to LT government where it was said that EU trade sanctions concerning specific goods transportation is also applicable to RF materials transportation into Kaliningrad through EU land.

    RF side knows this very well, they themselves said about it publicly lately (eg. RT interview with Kaliningrad’s current governor) and called EU diplomatic representative in Moscow to arrive into RF foreign ministry in order to give official protest about that.

    I’d guess it may be just some kind of EU answer to recent RF gas blackmail when the flows turned off to Germany, Italy, France and Austria nearly by half atm.

  10. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    Ukraine has already become a de facto NATO client state, in case you haven’t noticed. I can only see this relationship growing as time goes on. Putler, on the other hand, instead of “protecting” Kharkiv from NATO involvement, has solely opened up the opportunity for Norway and Finland to become full fledged members de jure, by his stupid actions. He’s certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about. He’s going to end up the big dummy in all of this, and as I predicted early on, China will end up being the big winner.

  11. Mikhail says: • Website
    @A123

    Fuller’s “secondary condemnation” category for the West is quite debatable for the very reason he gives about how Russia’s reasonable requests were treated. For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn’t be glossed over.

    • Replies: @A123
  12. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Wrong again. Ukraine was “lured” into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia. The possibility of EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion, that wasn’t even offered until after the third month of hostilities.

    • Replies: @Derer
  13. Mr. Hack says:

    Today the Verkhovna Rada adopted a total of three important bills aimed at freeing the Ukrainian cultural and information space from Russian influences and stimulating the development of national cultural industries.

    All three received support from almost all factions and groups. More than 300 deputies voted in favor. Against – no vote.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
  14. @prime noticer

    Would be interesting to see troop movements within Kalinlingrad & Belarus and find if something similar to the buildup last winter happens again. If so it is either WWIII (China already is planning to retake Taiwan and will put their plans into action once Europe is ablaze) and/or NATO collapses. Russia and China are taking up what was left unfinished by Germany and Japan.

    • Replies: @Aether
  15. bob sykes says:
    @German_reader

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Mikhail
    , @Beckow
  16. Wokechoke says:
    @bob sykes

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @A123
  17. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    NATO is the US. It’s the Delian League (Athens) reborn.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @SFG
  18. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    And the Russians are going to kill every American and Brit they can get hold of in the Ukraine. It’s a full blown war of extermination.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  19. Mikhail says: • Website
    @bob sykes

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    Some small dogs can bark louder than some larger ones.

  20. Beckow says:
    @bob sykes

    It is only a partial blockade. What would Nato do if Russia blows up the Klaipeda LNG terminal? Would that be it?

    This is shaping up as the war for all marbles – nobody will step back. Within a few months this could be a regional war with the Balts, Belarus, Poles, Romanians joining in. If Russia moves further west it is very likely that Poland will move into Western Ukraine. At that point, the question will be: if Russia attacks them with missiles will that be an attack on Nato, or would it be considered an adventure by Poland on its own? (e.g. like Turkey attacks on Syria or Iraq)

  21. @Mr. Hack

    What would Nato do if Russia blows up the Klaipeda LNG terminal?

    It should be mentioned that main floating FSRU type vessel stationed there, named “Independence”, is not even Lithuanian property atm, it belongs to another NATO country – Norwegian company “Hoegh” is the owner.

  22. S says:

    @Dmitry

    To confirm with the survey posted by German Reader above, it feels like there is some dark magic here.

    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR. However, it has to be said, as with a great many things which parallel between Capitalism and Communism, the United States also has historically had an abundance of occultism present.

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.

    That’s an easy one.

    The letter ‘Z’ is the ‘trigger’ for the global group mind (or, the public mind) to know that World War III has commenced. The ‘programming’ for this largely occurred with the 2013 release of Brad Pitt’s World War Z, which was about a global pandemic occurring simultaneously with a world war. The movie raked in over a half billion dollars, so there’s no question large numbers of people globally saw the film.

    The 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate featured the red Queen of Diamonds card as a trigger for the central character. [See clip(s) below] Once the character had been so triggered he entered into a trance state where he could be ordered to do anything, including assassinating a presidential candidate, and afterwards forget everything.

    While I seriously question if people can be that tightly controlled through brainwashing, even today, it does seem people can be psychologically conditioned via the corporate mass media to be triggered by the sight of certain objects, and respond in some uncomplicated manner. The red ‘MAGA’ baseball cap and the violent response it elicited from many would seem to be an example of this.

    ‘Z’ I would propose is another.

    What two experts on the subject of propaganda had to say about the motion picture (ie ‘movies’):

    ‘The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture [ie motion picture] when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.’

    — Elmer Davis, Chief of US Office of War Information (1942-45), as quoted in Hollywood Goes to War 

    ‘The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today.’

    —Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, and author of the 1928 book Propaganda

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @AP
  23. @Mr. Hack

    The parties that would have voted “no” had already been banned.

    • Replies: @AP
  24. @Mr. Hack

    He’s certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about.

    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don’t much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

    This is about Muscovian Imperialism, pure and simple. They have already annexed Belarus in all but name, now they want to actually annex Ukraine, the heartland of Ancient Rus.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  25. AP says:
    @Dave Pinsen

    True, but they wouldn’t have enough votes to stop it anyways. They had about 30% support at most even before the invasion, much less afterwards.

  26. songbird says:

    If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians, their leaders would probably be talked into filling up all the empty space with migrants.

    Better to keep the elderly Russians and give them antisenescents.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
    , @Mr. Hack
  27. songbird says:

    SpaceX launched three Falcon 9s in 36.5 hours, beating previous commercial records. Obviously, something of a stunt.

    Makes me wonder how much of it was meant for the Russians. (And how much against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter)

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  28. Mr. Hack says:
    @Callsign Pidor

    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don’t much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

    Their latest imperial grunt now is that they don’t care? Initially they were posturing with threats. Well, what can they say now once its a fait accompli? Threaten to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons? I think that they’ve already done that and it hasn’t worked. All that this has done is given Pat Buchanan and Philip Giladi things to write about. Oh, and kremlnstoogeA123.

  29. @songbird

    If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians

    Russians and migrants both would raise the crime and STD rates of the Baltics.

  30. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    You mean that their elderly Russians are that virile? Wow, a race of true superbeings. Does Karlin realize this? I think that if he did, he wouldn’t be wasting his time fooling around with cryogenics. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
  31. @S

    The funniest video of 2017 is Richard Spencer getting sucker punched by the antifa faggot while showing the television reporter his pepe pin.

    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar’s name.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )

    • Replies: @S
  32. songbird says:

    How quickly would the arms shipments stop, if Ukraine banned that gay Disney movie? (Latest)

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  33. AP says:
    @S

    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR

    Witches had good business in the late Soviet era and in the 1990s. Astrology was popular and Soviet elites had the most skilled astrologists. Gorbachev allegedly traveled in a pattern that followed his astrological consultant’s advice. Of course, Nancy Reagan was also using astrologists and taking their advice seriously.

  34. AP says:
    @Wokechoke

    Should I have taken the job offers in New Zealand I regularly get? That’s probably the best place in the world in case of nuclear war (southern hemisphere, small population, agriculture and seafood, civilized population, competent and functional government).

  35. Aether says:

    Another month, no substantial Russian advance. No capturing of strategically useful territory. And no encirclement, or otherwise decisive defeat, of Ukrainian forces.

    Indeed, Ukrainian forces are now transitioning to NATO kit. This means that Ukraine has de facto entered NATO because of the Russian invasion. Sweden and Finland will join too, but formally.

    Meanwhile, Russia’s Central Bank is now predicting a 15% collapse in Russia’s economy.

    At this rate, it will take decades to even reach Kyiv. Nevermind Russia then having to deal with an insurgency, which will only end when they leave. And of course, these minute Russian advances can reverse at any time.

    Like, seriously, what is the point?

    Does anyone seriously doubt that, had Putin a time machine to go back to Feb 23rd, he would never have launched this murderous invasion? He would instead have sent troops to formally occupy the parts of the Donbas which Russia had already stolen, and called it quits. There would have been only minor repercussions. Ukraine had all but already accepted it. And tens of thousands of innocents would not have been slaughtered and their blood would not be staining Russian nationhood.

    [MORE]

    Also, Graham Fuller is some 84 year old has-been looking for Russian money to support his inadequate analytical retirement. Hopefully not yet another paedo like Ritter. He’s written a lot of books and wants some attention. You can see that he is not serious because he writes about “Russia winning” without being able to even begin to describe what “winning” for Russia actually consists of. Probably another crank-for-hire in the making. A good subject for sniggers at chats between old colleagues, but selling absolute nonsense. Hat tip Graham: if something is “inexplicable” to you, perhaps you are wrong about the facts. But let’s hope the Russians wheel you in to replace Ritter, I am tired of his bizarrely bloated face.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  36. Aether says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Why would Europe end up ablaze from Russia? Kyiv isn’t even ablaze. At Russia’s current and most optimistic 20km advance in 4 months speed, they will reach London in 50 years. Of course before then they would also actually have to fight countries that their domination didn’t stop from having a functioning military until about 2016.

  37. @AP

    The Moaoris would enjoy eating you and your family after the shit hits the fan. That will be the only viable group in New Zealand. They aren’t going to call it New Zealand.

    • Replies: @Aether
    , @AP
    , @acementhead
  38. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    I’m a board member of a non-profit in Costa Rica that was set-up in great measure to offer a sanctuary in case such an eventuality were to occur. New Zealand is high on my bucket list, as is the Philippines in that part of the world. At least go for an interview.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @AP
  39. Aether says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It is amazing how envy not only affects peoples actions, but actually completely distorts their view of the world, geopolitics and even gives them an instant opinion on something that they are truly completely ignorant of.

  40. This is a reply for AP from the older page.

    Hello apey.

    [MORE]
    Beginning on the high note.

    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same. Tell me what’s the difference between that and what you are doing. Bet there’s not much if any.

    I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik.

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.

    You said that the flat used to belong to a Bolshevik and that it was “our old flat” so don’t blame me – that’s not my ideas but your own words. Like any stupid liar you get confused in your own bullshit. You said that.

    So either you were lying then, or you are lying now.

    If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.

    You need to get to back your senses, idiot. No one cares what you imagine about yourself, but it’s obvious that you are inadequate. You are a narcissist.

    You would have been a fine menial worker, but the Soviets turned your kind into imitation officers or doctors, into Sharikovs who pretend to know things.

    Do not cross the red lines, piece of shit. You have no idea who were those doctors and officers. Do not insult them – insult me. You will eat a peck of dirt for it every time you do it. Like any narcissist you like being humiliated.

    No problem.

    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references, which were presented to you for examination, dear professor. Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me, as you have been told as well.

    The research referenced in my comment is the best available, so if you want to discuss that you are welcome, if not keep talking yourself.

    When multiracial are Hispanics, they are not the same multiracial as on the TIMMS, which DOES include a Hispanic category.

    Why would it be so, if only not because it fits your false argument. There is an article explaining that, regarding the US census, that how people identify themselves has been changing. See below, the number of Multiracial Americans going up from 3.2% to 10.2% in two years.

    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.

    But considering that the amount of these Hispanics – what a mess in the heads, is changing, it appears that a number of those counted there as the Hispanics are now considered Multiracial, but perhaps then they weren’t.

    So with this data it really makes no sense trying to derive the average score of the ethnic Russians, and let alone compare it to that of the American whites, which is given, and as well as making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.

    There are no other sources except those aforementioned, and the data is good enough to compare a nation to a nation, but not one ethnic group to the other, which was the point in my initial comment that you dismissed, saying that only the white Americans matter, or something like that.

    You were correct that there’s lack of correlation, but wrong about the idea that Multiracial group includes Hispanics – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. However since the number of the Multiracial group has been growing, it was an error to count them as 10.2 percent as well. We were both wrong.

    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

    A lot of people in Afghanistan belong to the same group, and a significant amount of the Swedes do, but that doesn’t mean that those Afghans are Swedes, does that, professor, because according to your logic it does.

    There is no ethnic group that is homogeneous. All are composite, and a lot of factors come into the view when we take a closer look, but it doesn’t mean either that we should dismiss what’s obvious, and that is that both Tatars and the Chuvash people are Mongoloid.

    Likewise Finno-Ugric doesn’t mean that the people are somewhat akin to the Finns and Hungarians, especially when we are talking about the peoples of Siberia.

    Sámi and Komi sometimes look the same as Hungarians and Finns, and sometimes very Asiatic, and Mansi and Mari people are even more Asiatic. The Finno-Ugric peoples are not European, they are Eurasian. And that doesn’t mean anything related to their intelligence.

    That’s not how it works.

    Haven’t you seen many Volga Tatars?

    Have seen some on TV. They are light skinned but with Mongoloid features, dark haired.

    So?

    • Replies: @AP
  41. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn’t be glossed over.

    The Kiev regime ruthlessly suppresses fault lines: (1)

    Zelenskyy Officially Bans Ukraine’s Largest Opposition Political Party

    The definition of the modern “western democracy” in Ukraine is increasingly showcased as the goal for modern totalitarian government.

    What we see taking place in Ukraine is an outcropping of this newly defined ‘western democracy.’ Using a declaration of emergency power, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has now banned all opposition voices, taken control of broadcast media and now today banned the second largest political party in Ukraine. [Radio Free Europe Link]

    Ukraine’s Opposition Platform For Life (OPPL) was the second largest political force in the Ukraine Parliament. As of today, the party is officially banned by a Ukrainian court at the request of the Zelenskyy Ministry of Justice. All assets, funds and property belonging to OPPL have been seized and transferred to the state.

    -1- The European WEF are the brains behind this mess. They offered EU and NATO membership.

    -2- Ukraine acted on the European WEF’s plans. At this point, the end of Ukrainian democracy proves Zelensky is a Europe compliant co-conspirator.

    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.

    After Ukraine is ground away, the European WEF will buy a new co-conspirator. And, the cycle will start all over again.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/20/zelenskyy-officially-bans-ukraines-largest-opposition-political-party/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  42. songbird says:

    How many mainstream Chinese movies have a half-Russian/half-Chinese character that is depicted unfavorably in some way?

    “Hi, Mom” had a fat, ugly girl character that was unfeminine.

    “The Eight Hundred” had a prostitute, who however was patriotic because her “father” was Chinese.

  43. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    The NS2 pipeline will never be started to feed Germany.

    This creates a simple opportunity for Putin. Russia builds a NS2 leg that connects to Kaliningrad. With the energy problem resolved, the oblast no longer ‘needs’ rail supply. This downgrades the crisis to mere inconvenience.

    PEACE 😇

  44. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar’s name.

    Thanks. Yes, the almost unkillable Rasputin. I’d have to think there’s been at least one film representation of him that has been made. That might be interesting to see.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )

    Of course not. The Unz readership is far too sophisticated for that sort of thing. 🙂

    I suppose I’m a bit more concerned about Mary Todd Lincoln having seances in the White House and Nancy Reagan having an astrologer to ‘adjust’ the White House schedule.

    Not to pick on the women. I’m sure there was more than one male occupant of the White House whom had an interest in the occult.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  45. German_reader says:

    Panzerhaubitzen 2000 from Germany and the Netherlands have been delivered to Ukraine:

    But yeah, Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
  46. @S

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @S
  47. This is another one for apey.

    You are of course an idiot apey but the topic seems interesting to me.

    [MORE]
    Here is something to consider. For your convenience there’s a link again. Open the map in a separate tab.

    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.

    No it doesn’t and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it’s lower than the average, that’s not hard to demonstrate.

    Let’s take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group.

    Doing this we can exclude ethnic minorities as much as possible, with as little error as possible, considering that these 20 regions are as well the most populous and none of them contains a significant presence of a particular ethnic group, but the Russians.

    The statistics was taken from here – https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Not all of the regions with the highest share of ethnic Russians are featured in the map so one or two had to be skipped, but it doesn’t matter, those were regular areas. The idea is to calculate the average score for the largest possible number of ethnic Russians with as little interference or influence from other ethnic groups, as possible.

    To do that, these regions were chosen. The share of ethnic Russians is in percentage, followed with the IQ and the population number is the general population, including minorities followed with the number of ethnic Russians.

    The principle is simple. Moscow has the largest population – 12 615 279 people, of whom 91.6% are ethnic Russians, which makes 11 555 595 of them, and their average IQ is 106.3 giving us the sum total of 1 228 359 808 points.

    Therefore continuing to count like this, one region after another, in the order of decreasing number of ethnic Russians, we an accumulate a pool of more than 50 million people, and that’s about a half of all Russians in the federation sampled from the regions with their share of 95.0 average; this is as accurate as we can get.

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

    These are the most populous regions with the largest share of ethnic Russians, with the population of ethnic Russians alone, not counting the minorities, being 50 422 253 people.

    The number of the minorities, subtracted from the general amount is 3 477 070 people, i.e. 6.45% of it, and the ethnic belonging of these minorities is for the most part Ukrainian and Belarusian, so there’s no influence of much higher or lower scores.

    Having added the IQ points of all these people, as has been shown, we get sum total of 5 098 710 046 points, that’s for 50 422 253 people. So the average score for the ethnic Russians we get is 101.2 – higher than Tatarstan, 99.5 and higher than Chuvashia, 100.2 and higher than any other national republic in the federation.

    This method includes regions from various areas, from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific ocean, the percentage of minorities is minimal the number of participants is huge. There are no Ashkenazim in the mix, no Chinese or Japanese or other high IQ people, so the result is accurate.

    The average score for the ethnic Russians we get here is 101.2 – and that’s higher than for any other group on the map.

    • Replies: @AP
  48. A lot of misconceptions are peddled here by Fuller. Too many for me to refute in a comment. However, one stood out.

    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

    Firstly, before the Incursion in February, the USD stood at 81 Rubles, and the Euro 85.7 Rubles. Today the USD buys 54 Rubles and the Euro 58 Rubles, depreciations of 33% approximately. The Ruble will continue to strengthen as the American and European economies weaken. Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD. I would not be surprised if it shortly went back to that level, or appreciated even more. So, in future, Russian energy will not be “inexpensive”. The era of cheap Russian energy is over.

    Secondly, European customers may find it difficult to buy Russian oil, gas and coal at all. The Russians are re-routing their supplies to Asia and elsewhere. In April 2022, more oil went to Asia than to Europe – the first time ever. In any business relationship, the question of trust is very important. For years now, the Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West. As vendors, the Russians would rather sell to states with which they have stable, predictable relations.

    In future, Russia will sell less and less oil. gas and coal to Europe. They will demand payment in Rubles or precious metals – as they are doing now for gas. They will give very few customers a long term contract. Sales to the European spot market will be strictly limited. The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    , @Beckow
  49. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.

    kremlinstoogeA123 does not disappoint once again! His newest conspiracy theory is truly epic in its magnitude. He should take to the pen and write some sort of a spy novel from it and make some money out of it. On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia’s neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this WWII political cartoon. But I do like kremlinstoogesA123’s slight twist of the original idea. In the past, it was America (or its proxy Great Britain) that was pulling the strings against Russia in Europe, but today according to kremlinstoogeA123, it’s the other way around. Bravo!
    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  50. @songbird

    Won’t. You’re confusing the signaling with actual geopolitics (blundering or not).

  51. SFG says:
    @Wokechoke

    And we know who won that one…

  52. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Slight correction, should read:

    On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia’s neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this pre-WWII political cartoon.

  53. AP says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    They’re like 10% of the population there. The local Europeans aren’t dependent on outside forces to keep them from taking control.

    • Replies: @Lurker
  54. A123 says: • Website

    One wonders why the mentally ill Mr. Hack keeps trying to reply to my posts. He knows that he is on my blocked commenters list due to his psychological problems.

    Instead of posting here, he should seek out professional psychiatric help before harming himself or others.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  55. @Aether

    This is the hardest part of the war – defense lines.

    Another month, no substantial Russian advance. No capturing of strategically useful territory. And no encirclement, or otherwise decisive defeat, of Ukrainian forces.

    This is a large map. You can open it in a separate tab.

    The fighting is going along the fortification lines. The Ukrainians are sitting there protected, there are bunkers. But the Russians are getting through, taking a small town here and there, one after one and losing the cauldron.

    That cannot be done faster since there are four bigger towns in the middle that have to be encircled, so the Russians are working that corridor. The fat blue line on the right is the Ukrainian forces.

    Apart from that there are air strikes in the south.

    Ukraine is losing equipment the Russians let the deliver it and then demolish it – this happened to be cheaper than using cruise missiles and striking the hangars, but air strikes happen on a regular basis as well.

    The amount of aid that Ukraine is getting is insufficient.

    • LOL: Aether
  56. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    All that brave talk and you guys want to bail? Let’s have some cojones, Costa-rica or New Zealand can wait. I am a lot more exposed, and yet the food is great, hills are lush, apricots ripened, and the Ukie girls are everywhere.

    Stick it out, this will rise to a 20-30% risk with some extreme drama. Then Russia will finish pacifying Ukraine, Europe will grudgingly make up, Nato will shoot some reindeer and Black See will become a Russian lake.

    US will be just what it was always meant to be – a big fat guy talking a lot but with nobody listening, UK will blame it on mad BoJo and Sholz will go back to his accounting ledgers. The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland – the proper North-West where they yearn to be, away from the Asiatic Moskali.

    Fun and games all around, too bad tens of thousands of Ukr men won’t be around to rediscover the pleasures of reading Tolstoy and get in early on the coming Black See coast real estate boom. But the girls will mostly stay so it will be all good.

    What a stupid unnecessary provocation have the unhinged neo-con liberals concocted: woke up one morning and decided that another Iraq right on the Russian border would be great – arms, promises, threats, edging closer and closer – until the local power smithed it all down. China and Taiwan would go roughly the same way. How long are you guys going to humor these map-reading morons and dreamers? Or you would rather move to New Zealand?

    • LOL: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    , @Mr. Hack
  57. @Verymuchalive

    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.

    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it’s getting back to the pre-Maidan course.

    The Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West.

    And they have never cheated like the Germans. People see that. The Russians are showing that Russia is a stable partner.

    That’s good.

    There is a lot of market in the South-East, a couple of new pipelines and things will get back to normal.

    But there’s a lot that has to be done inside.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  58. @Beckow

    The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland.

    No Poland will get the land in the west, it belongs to them, and Russia will get the land in the east, it belongs to them, and the land in the south of course, because it belongs to them, and Ukraine will become what it’s meant to be – a small piece of steppe, sold out and owned, and it won’t even belong to them.

    Slava Ukraini.

  59. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    If I’m a “blocked” commenter on your list, how is it that you even know that I’m posting? Are you the serial liar that many here accuse you of being? What’s the matter, don’t you have the guts to defend your silly opinions here? 🙂

  60. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Who said anything about moving?…

    • Replies: @Beckow
  61. Beckow says:
    @Verymuchalive

    That’s roughly how it will play out. It is a new world for all material resources: energy, minerals, food… This reality is still under-appreciated in the West – the inevitable, coming shift in the wealth creation.

    The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.

    Europe is smart, aggressive, with resourceful people and small material resources. Starting in the 16th century, Europe has corrected for this with an aggressive spread over the world. That has ended.

    Russia and its hinterlands acted as a substitute for the last few decades. Nothing is black-and-white, but the coming material shortages in Europe cannot easily be fixed: wind mills and eating bugs won’t do it. Europe has also stupidly allowed in tens of millions of migrants – they will need to be fed, kept warm, more will come. It will be tough.

    The biggest change will be the collapse in standing of the Western “house money”, the casino chips that they have used to pay for everything. It got out of hand and is barely backed by anything. Yeah, they will say the “trust” – but trust once lost cannot be regained. They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline. But can they?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  62. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You and AP hinted at it…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  63. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    I’m not AP and he’s not me. You wouldn’t want me to mistake you for kremlinstoogeA123 now would you? He seems even stranger and more obtuse than you. 🙂 I’ve never hinted about moving anywhere, and if I ever do, it may be back to cold and dreary Minnesota (but probably not). We had a bountiful apricot tree in Mpls, and my mother made the most delicious nalivka that you’ve ever tasted from it. I love to travel, and can find some of nature’s beauty most anywhere. Even the Latino girls can be quite beautiful!

    • Replies: @Beckow
  64. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I knew it. The subject material was just too rich for film makers to pass upon. Rasputin and his story is a case of the truth being stranger than fiction, no doubt. I was a little surprised to see Rickman playing the role, though he did a good job.

    The guy wouldn’t go down. Taking into account his enemies, he must have had some really powerful guardian angels protecting him.

    To be sure, of course, considering some of Rasputin’s personal behaviour, one couldn’t be entirely too sure which side of the dividing line his particular protecting angels may have hailed from. 🙁

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  65. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I was somewhat facetious, I am too grounded now to move, it’s something I might have considered if I was younger, before having kids. But in case of global nuclear war it would probably be the best place (Australia has too many people to feed, Argentina might be okay but it is poorer and more corrupt, forget South Africa).

  66. @Here Be Dragon

    Me:
    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.
    Untrue. Shame on me for not checking the facts.

    You:
    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it’s getting back to the pre-Maidan course.
    Untrue. Shame on you for doing likewise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ruble

    After the partial default in 1998, the Ruble averaged c 25-30 Rubles against the USD for the period 1999 to 2013. The lowest average year was 1999 – 24.65 Rubles, the highest average year was 2013 – 31.91 Rubles. The sanctions imposed by Obama after 2008 had very little effect.

    After the 2014 sanctions, the Ruble depreciated rapidly against the USD. The 2015 average was 61.34. For the period 2015-21, the lowest average year was 2017 – 58.3 Rubles. The highest average year was 2021 – 73.77 Rubles.

    Correction
    I expect the Russian Ruble to return shortly to its 1999-2013 levels of 25 to 30 Rubles against the USD. As the Russian economy is now much stronger, and the US economy weakens by the day, the Ruble may appreciate much more. All this assumes that the USD is still the world reserve currency.
    This status is likely to end shortly. When it does, the USD’s value against other currencies – the Ruble included – will collapse.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  67. View post on imgur.com


    Democracy is serious business. that’s why we banned all other political parties permanently. and a comedian is the puppet ruler of This Particular Very Serious Democracy.

    also, please don’t realize that “Our Democracy” is a euphemism for “Jews run everything, and you never get anything you want.” these two phrases are deployed in an indistinguishable manner, one always meaning the other, and even academic scholars would be unable to detect a functional difference, but don’t notice that.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  68. West Point cadets being taught CRT, per NY Post report

    that’s it then. army was the last big holdout. now only the marines are not under leftist control.

    considering the situation on the ground in the US, expect official military policy to be strongly behind Ukraine for the duration. there will be no voices of reason in leadership. it’s globohomo, GAE all the way from now on.

    hard to believe this was the same West Point i went to as a recruit in the early 90s, soon after the Cold War ended. it was only a matter of time i suppose.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Barbarossa
  69. A123 says: • Website

    For anyone interested in firearm statistics.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @AP
  70. S says:

    @Dmitry

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.

    The letter ‘Z’ is the last letter of the Latin alphabet, to signify that this is the last war, the proverbial WWIII, that is almost a meme now?

    Below is an excerpt and YouTube video created well before the present war in the Ukraine. It explores (in part) the letter Z in regards to the Hebrew language. Z in Hebrew is Zayin, and means ‘sword’, or, ‘a weapon of the spirit’. Kaballa aspects of ‘Z’ are looked into as well.

    It all starts with the Z

    Z, to begin with, marks endings (from A to Z).

    Yet what is an ending, but a new beginning?

    As a student of the occult (as in hidden or sacred knowledge, and not whatever dark thoughts you might associate with the word), I also checked the Hebrew alphabet, the sacred letters. Z in Hebrew is Zayin and it means ‘sword’ or ‘a weapon of the spirit’.

    https://therabbitisin.com/on-the-major-importance-of-letter-z-9af140714b4d

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  71. @Verymuchalive

    Yes, in case it’s going where it’s kind of going, but something tells me it’s not where it’s really going.

    There will be some surprise.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  72. @Beckow

    They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline.

    Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy. Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    Moral of story.
    Do not fall out with your Commodity Supplier – he has all the pipelines.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @A123
  73. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Good point about many of us often merging responses. But you did go on about Costa-Rica…And Latinas – today i will upgrade them from cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You need to chill. There is no strangeness in the world and people can be insensitive – it is a biological imperative. The situation is too serious for monochrome explanations that you stick to – there is a lot more to it, explore it, think it through.

    When people obsessively demand justice they end up with dead bodies all around – check out Shakespeare for details. Everybody has their own truth. Wars are fought to see which one prevails, there is not much justice in it.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Mikel
  74. @S

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin_the_Mad_Monk

    I thought Radzinski’s book very readable. Edvard Radzinsky The Rasputin File.

    He has a photo of Rasputin holding a pencil really clumsy. The man was close to illiterate. The worst thing the secret police had on him was he patronized prostitutes and they were in possession of interviews with more than one of the prostitutes who testified that all Rasputin did in exchange for the money was make them listen to a repent and be saved pitch. He was the only one in the czar’s inside circle who adamantly counseled against the war. Obviously he had to go.

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend. There aren’t any government records except much later interviews by the commies of the czar’s secret police who they killed right after the interviews. There were different stories so the legend became they had to do this and then that and after this other thing to kill him.

    It certainly is a great story though.

    • Replies: @S
    , @S
  75. Beckow says:
    @Verymuchalive

    …Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy.

    Yeah, you are right, it is obvious. In any fight between a city and farmers, the farmers – commodity suppliers – always win if they can protect themselves. And Russia can protect itself.

    Western towns and eastern girls… – who really has more power in that relationship when the chips are down and the girls stop acting like cheap courtesans? This will be an ugly experience for Europe.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  76. @songbird

    Makes me wonder how of it was against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter

    Well, Musk has his own problems.

    One of his eldest sons has apparently become a tranny and severed ties with his father. Maybe this explains Musk’s recent outbursts against wokeness. It stole one of his children, quite literally.

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents’ political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Hilariously, or perhaps omniously, his current on-again-off-again gf scolded him for transphobia a few years ago.

    • Thanks: songbird
  77. @Thulean Friend

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture.

    It depends how strong the genetic component of political attitudes is. If it is sufficiently strong, perhaps the shitlib establishment won’t be able to peel away enough conservatively inclined children to prevent conservatives becoming a growing proportion of the populace. Or perhaps the children of “converts” to libtardism won’t be as strong in their libtard convictions, and perhaps experience a healthy rate of “reversion.” It’s too soon to say. I think it’s an idea worth placing some hope (and cope) in.

  78. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You seem lacking in knowledge about apricot nalivka too. First It’s nalivka not nalinka from the root Ukrainian word Nalivaty (to pour). It’s a delicious liqueur, not a palinka (which is good in its own right too). The best nalivka’s and probably palinkas too are ones that have been aged well. Once, I found a gallon jug hidden in a low corner in my mother’s basement pantry, where she kept all of the canned vegetables and fruits that she prepared every year. At first we didn’t know what it was, because the fruit within was very dark looking, and not really looking very appetizing. We poured the liquid anyway and gave it a try – the most delicious nectar this side of heaven that you’ve ever tasted, truly. It was made of once fully ripened apricots that had shriveled up over the years giving up their liquid to produce a heavenly product, probably about 15 years old. The same with women. If you treat them right and let them mature in a safe and nurturing atmosphere, they also can mature into a fantastic end product too.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    I don’t agree with you about the outcome at all. I think that we’re about halfway through with this war and that as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase. We’ll have to wait and see. I pray that Ukraine finally gets this huge bully off of its back.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Gerard1234
  79. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    More information on how Europe is directly responsible for Europe’s decline.

    When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the European Union responded the following day with a package of unprecedented economic sanctions aimed at isolating Russia.

    The EU, which was praised for displaying “determination, unity and speed” in its response to Putin, was said to be facing a “transformative moment” that would allow the bloc to become a “geostrategic actor” on the global stage. An observer claimed that the EU had become “a top geopolitical protagonist” and that Europe “discovered that it’s a superpower.”

    On March 21, less than a month after Russia invaded Ukraine, European officials announced an ambitious plan for the EU to achieve “strategic autonomy” aimed at placing the 27-member bloc on equal footing with China and the United States. The implicit objective was to enable a “sovereign” EU to act independently of the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in matters of defense and security. That plan is now in shambles.

    As the war has dragged on, European unity has collapsed and efforts to transform the European Union into a European superstate — a United States of Europe — have been exposed for what they are: delusions of grandeur.

    And, it is not just Ukraine. Brussels over reach has offended both Poland and Hungary over other issues such as culture an economy. Germany’s ‘leadership’ towards Open [Muslim] Borders has done much to shatter comity. Lack of Trust is now the definitive, core EU value.

    Ultimately, the EU/EZ myth needs to end and be replaced by something less ambitious, limited to the small subset of things where commonality exists.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18610/eu-superpower-delusion

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @Wokechoke
  80. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Would be pretty interesting if there were stats on transgenderism, normal conception vs. artificial insemination (Musk’s kids).

    Though Musk shares custody, I wonder how much time he is able to spend with his kids. Thought I recall hearing he slept on the factory floor at Tesla for like a month.

    Seeing how crazy Grimes is, and thinking of other celebrity couplings, I can’t help but think that wealthy men (Bezos, Harry) would often be better off, if they had used some old-fashioned matchmaker.

  81. songbird says:
    @prime noticer

    Romans required that all their troops have at least one testicle. Seems sensible enough.
    ____
    Been wondering if any of the plagues of antiquity could have been caused by gays.

    Thucydides recorded that the Athenian plague came from Ethiopia. The Cyprian plague is also said to have come from Ethiopia and hit Alexandria first.

  82. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    ….as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase.

    Chances increase from 10% to 20%? How do you define success? Nato weapons are too few, too hard to deliver, and would still leave Ukraine outgunned by a large margin.

    Actually the best hope Kiev has would be a collapse in the Russian morale. Inflicting more casualties helps, but it can back-fire. A lot of the front line troops on the Russian side are Donbas militias – 60-100k. For them this is existential, they have no place to retreat, many are angry about the Donbas civilians killed by Kiev in the last 8 years. Their morale is unlikely to collapse, and that will pull along the Russian morale. Russians also historically don’t stop fighting – and neither do the Ukrainians: very native stubbornness that Westerners are not familiar with.

    It will be ugly. Kiev is losing 100-200 soldiers per day, or more. Plus the wounded and tens of thousands POWs. New troops are of lower quality and have to be trained (AP’s cousin who probably skis better than he shoots.)

    Have you considered the most likely outcome: Russia in a few months prevails, Kiev’s army ceases to be viable, south and east are occupied, guerilla fighters are in Warsaw cafes. Russian economy hums along on exports to Asia, Europe is in a recession with endless complicated and expensive ways to secure energy and other materials. People get tired of it and start asking: “what was the fight all about?” And slogans about freedom and orcs will not suffice. Then what? Zelko and the gang will be fine, but how about ordinary Ukrainians? It will become obvious that they fought a losing war for some very questionable reasons – “no Russian language in schools” and “we want Nato bases!!!!”.

    Future is contained in our present, it is not as big a mystery as many pretend. Miracles by definition don’t happen (look that up: miracle definition is…).

    • Replies: @Aether
  83. songbird says:

    Scythians were known to drink their wine unmixed from the skulls of their enemies, afterwards wiping their mouths with napkins make from the skin of their enemies.

    In some Greek cities, it was supposedly a capital crime to drink unmixed wine. (Alexander once killed one of his best officers in a drunken rage.)

    Therefore, I think AP’s idea that Ukrainians were more civilized when they occupied areas in WW2 is not wholly implausible, if we link it to alcohol tolerance. Of course, it is only suggestive.

  84. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references

    They are more recent references but they are not better, because they are merely estimates of IQ based on PISA scores and not measures of IQ itself.

    When Russian IQ was measured the actual scores were 96.5 on average (personally, I think it might be a little low, but that’s what it is).

    Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me

    Sharikjv can’t read. The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009 .

    As we have seen and will see again, you are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims.

    The authors made a study in which the Russian IQ was about 103. The same authors explained that this was the overall average Russian IQ but higher because the sample were kids of professionals in an urban area. The actual average Russian IQ, according to the authors, was 96.5.

    You chose to believe the author’s 103 but not their 96.5.

    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.

    In the TIMMS study, you wanted the number of White-performing Americans to be the same percentage of the population as the number of ethnic Russians in Russia. However, they are not. Russians are about 80% of Russia’s population.

    Since blacks are about 13% and Hispanics about 18% of America’s population, Americans that do not belong to those two groups are only about 70% of America’s population.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are equally comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average (as you proved in your other post), this would not be enough to close the gap with the white Americans.

    TIMMS, science, grade 4: US Whites: 570; Russians: 567
    TIMMS, science, grade 8: US Whites: 557; Russians: 544

    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

    In that part of the world (the Volga) R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin. And I never claimed Finns, but Finnic.

    Wiki, about Chuvash:

    These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not directly related to the Turkic and Mongolic people along their maternal line but supports the hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group—leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of European origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Slavic and Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers.

    The MtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% Caucasoid, 9.1% Mongoloid and 1.8% unidentifie

    Here are Chuvash people, for example:

    Kind of what one would expect of a people who are 10% or so Asian.

    Volga Tatars are about twice as Asian as Chuvash – 20% or so.

    [MORE]

    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same.

    I don’t want to provide too may details in order to avoid doxxing myself. I am some sort doctoral level medical professional (PharmD, MD, DO, PhD) working in healthcare.

    Moscow is the nicest large city in the world, and even though through connections I could have gotten a job there, I wouldn’t be able to justify the 10x salary differential by staying in that city permanently.

    “I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik.”

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.

    No it doesn’t, Sharikov. When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment. It does not necessarily mean owning the deed to the property. It’s owned by relatives, we lived there when we lived in Moscow, we stay there when we visit, and maybe will live there again.

    “If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.

    It seems that you do have an unhealthy obsession, Sharikov, because you keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Here Be Dragon
  85. @A123

    I can’t agree more.
    Sensible, rational and cogent.
    One of your finest posts.
    Keep it up.

    • Thanks: A123
  86. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    I do know that Lithuanians are retardation though. Blockading Konigsberg? A million or so cumts in the baltic seething the stage for a widening war.

  87. Wokechoke says:
    @prime noticer

    Revelation of the method. White Boy bleed a lot, Jew Boy fills his pockets.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  88. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Map:

    https://postlmg.cc/bZs0hfF4

    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.

    No it doesn’t and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it’s lower than the average, that’s not hard to demonstrate.

    Let’s take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group….

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

    You conveniently excluded ethnic Russian regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You ignored Irkutskaya Oblast (Russian population 91.41%, almost the same as Moscow’s 91.65%) – which has an average estimated IQ of only 92.9.

    You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions of Russians involved lower-IQ Russians.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow’s high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ from this study, which is would probably be around 100.5 or so. Still slightly higher than Chuvashes (I admit I was wrong on that point) but practically the same as them.*

    Moreover, this IQ estimate is based on PISA scores. We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-russias-iq/

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

    Average White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites (546) but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg (519) and higher than all other Russians.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104.

    But we know that in reality it is 101.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points.

    So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.

    Which number is higher Sharikov, 101 or 97.5?

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. Just not smarter than Muscovites.

    You have failed again and as usual.

    As I said, failing is what you do best.

    Nice work, though.

    *Moreover, the Russian advantage over Tatars (about 2 IQ points) is much smaller than the white American advantage over Blacks (~15 points) or Hispanics (~10 points), so it is incorrect to treat Tatars as a low-performing group akin to Blacks and Hispanics vis a vis Whites.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  89. AP says:
    @A123

    Fake map. The total homicide rate in Finland hasn’t exceeded 1.9 since 2010:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/529659/victims-of-homicide-rate-finland/

    So from guns alone it can’t be 3.3.

    Here is a nice interactive map:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race

    Overall, white Americans are in a similar boat with eastern Europeans. Homicide rate (2.2) equal to Montenegro, lower than in Belarus (2.4) or Hungary (2.5) or Lithuania (4.6)*. Although White Americans are swimming in guns, they aren’t killing one another all that much. But don’t pretend they are less dangerous than Finns or Austrians.

    ::::::::::::

    Of course, America is diverse even within race. American Whites overall may be like Visegrad, but whites in New England probably have a profile similar to that of western Europeans, whereas white Southerners are probably down at post-Soviet levels.

    * Hispanic Americans (3.6) are actually safer than Lithuanians.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Gerard1234
  90. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.

    • Replies: @A123
  91. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.

    Merkel specifically, and Germany generally, have been the #1 disruptive force in the EU. If the EU is to be saved, the essential first step is expelling Germany.

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Verymuchalive
  92. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Cato the Elder had his first son when he was 80.

    • Replies: @S
  93. A123 says: • Website
    @AP

    It is an accurate chart, but not well labelled, so you misinterpreted. It is not per 100,000 people.

    The graphic appears to be homicides per 100,000 private, legally owned, firearms.

    I will attempt to back track for an underlying article with more context.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
  94. AP says:
    @A123

    Ok, that is realistic.

  95. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend.

    Yeah, checking just now, the autopsy performed upon Rasputin found no sign of poison, or water in the lungs, but found three bullet wounds, with some apparent post mortem trauma.

    The account generally repeated of Rasputin’s murder is that of the prince primarily responsible for it.

    It would have been behooving to him and his accomplices to make Rasputin out to be some kind of almost unkillable monster, who could only just barely be stopped, rather than appear to be the victim of a planned cold blooded execution.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  96. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    The Hammer films of the 1950’s and 60’s are primo.

  97. S says:
    @songbird

    Michael Collins father was 74 when he had him. The father had married a 23 year old at 60, and the marriage was said to be happy.

    • Thanks: songbird
  98. Wokechoke says:
    @A123

    If the EU is anything it’s an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.

    You are off your rocker.

    • Replies: @A123
  99. @AP

    Yo ape it would be nice if you could spend a few minutes reading my comment first, and then reply. Because you would not have said a bunch of not so relevant stupidities if you had read it.

    The references were the chart that is showing the score of that test in Russia has been growing and has risen on 3.5 percent in 5 years, and that was seven years ago. Therefore the result can be even better now, so it’s not fare to compare the latest American score to the outdated Russian.

    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test, so the result doesn’t correlate and a comparison is reasonable as long as we compare the scores of one particular test.

    That graphic showing the score growth is showing as well that the latest result was 98.8, but then again it wasn’t the Wehsler test, nor was it the the Standard Progressive Matrices, so the resulting scores are not comparable.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.

    You understand that it could have been a test in a bunch of other schools in ten cities or something like that, and that it doesn’t in this case show the real average result.

    The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009.

    Yes but it’s used to demonstrate that the intelligence of ethnic Russians is higher than of other national groups and not to compare it with other tests.

    You are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims. You chose to believe the author’s 103 but not their 96.5.

    Yes because that doesn’t make sense. The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument. About 75 percent of the Russian population live in urban areas and Kazakhstan is not some kind of megalopolis.

    The result should not have been that low.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    Not really, no. There is a quote below, take a look. These are different categories and there’s a confusion, one person can be featured both as a Hispanic and as Multiracial at the same time.

    My argument was correct, logically, but the problem was that at the time the test was taken the percentage of people who registered as Multiracial was lower than 10.2, so the numbers didn’t fit in the end.

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average, this would not be enough to close the gap.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.

    Considering that we can compare the US scores.

    US Whites: 570; Russians: 567 – 99.4%
    US Whites: 557; Russians: 544 – 97.6%

    So it looks like we have enough here to close the gap.

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people. The dominant haplogroup matters the most.

    N is their dominant haplogroup.

    When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.

    You keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

    And you keep insulting me and getting irritated. You got caught, apey. You got caught.

    You are a liar.

    [MORE]

    Multiracial Americans –

    According to the 2018 U.S. Census 3.2% of the total U.S. population. According to the 2020 U.S. Census 10.2% of the total U.S population.

    Multiracial groups in the United States include many African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Métis Americans, Louisiana Creoles and several other communities found primarily in the Eastern US.

    • Replies: @AP
  100. nickels says:
    @Callsign Pidor

    Yeah totally.
    If I ever see arrows on a military map again I am going to puke.

  101. @AP

    Retard alert. Total BS you idiot. Its no dispute that white Americans are MUCH more violent and have much higher homicide rate than Europeans you POS. When accounting for blacks being only 10% of US population and Hispanics – then its obvious White US homicide rate is 10x higher than Western Europe, and 2-3 times higher than Belarus you fuckwit.

    Is the fact that in addition to Belarus being far more prosperous and annihilating 404 /Ukraine on every business and social metric…
    it also is far safer to avoid murder in Belarus, than the richer US – making a jealous retard as yourself write such garbage?

    Beautiful Soviet Union always much safer than US.
    The vast majority of American gun owners are responsible – but that doesn’t detract from the much higher violence level, way above European countries with similar pro-gun laws .

    Degenerate, lazy immoral White American parenting could be partially to blame – It’s no surprise that the last mass-shooting by a non-adult in Russia, was a kid with a Jehovah’s Witness mother – a pindosi bitch.

    And its ALWAYS been like this – long before the migration of blacks from the South to the North East of the USA, the big cities like New York, Chicago and Boston had a big reputation around the world for lots and lots of violent crimes you imbecile – from shootings and stabbings. European cities during WW2 and even during the desperate POST-WW2 immediate aftermath, NEVER had violence at level of Americans in peacetime!

    Why do you think the legal age for alcohol in the US is a laughably high 21 you idiot? All this while in Mediterranean Europe 12 year olds are drinking wine at the dinner table with their parents knowing their children are responsible. It’s because of the extra threat of violence and crime happening, compared to to the miniscule amount in Western and Eastern Europe . White American parents are thanking God the laws aren’t as lenient in the US – because then now many extra acts of their kids general violence, drink driving and stealing their guns for some prank that goes badly wrong would occur.

    Why do you think anti-alcohol laws tougher than anything that ever has or ever will exist in western or soviet Europe were implemented in the US in the 1920s`? Because of violence in American society (and some anti-catholicism)
    To any non-retard there is no comparison of the low-level violence of Western Europeans and Southern slavs…… to the very high volume violence and murder by White Americans now and historically. Its probably only because millions of fat Americans are busy sitting on their asses on the Internet, that the gap between Europe and US isn’t even larger

  102. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test

    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.

    So? If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5.

    You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument

    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty, Sharikov.

    As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions (for example, Irkutsk oblast has almost the same % of Russians as Moscow, but it’s average estimated IQ was 92.9 so you conveniently did not include it). You included the Moscow outlier but didn’t include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    This means that ethnic Russians score would be an estimated 1.0172x the overall Russian result.

    So the adjusted scores would be:

    4th grade US Whites: 570; Russians: 576
    8th grade US Whites: 557; Russians: 553

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people.

    And also Mari and Udmurts. Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    Mari:

    Here are Udmurts:

    [MORE]

    “When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.

    Liar, I never said that.

    As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you.

    My exact words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So now once again you are caught in a lie, Sharikov.

    In addition to failing often, you lie often. Your only two talents.

    My words were in response to another of your many lies: “Your hatred of Russia, and all things Russian, and the Russian people.”

    I don’t all things Russian, nor “the Russian people.” I do hate the grotesque mockery of Russia that was the USSR.

  103. @Mr. Hack

    From the root Ukrainian word Nalivatu (to pour)

    You seriously write this garbage with a straight face you demented retard?

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word you dumb prick, with common Slavic root. Nalivka, and ever more so the apricot one is a RUSSIAN drink not ukrop you imbecile. There is no “Ukrainian” language either. They even only call it that in 404 because that drink the Russians specifically named it that! Exact same thing as with Borscht – a completely Russian word (which the dish has f**k-all connection with Galician/Bukovina sub-roma morons)

    Stop parasiting off Russian World you POS.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @LatW
  104. Mr. Hack says:
    @Gerard1234

    Geraldina in the kitchen with his mother cooking Russian borscht. Must be Russian because Ukrainians cook only borshch, with no t needed at the end. Two different soups spelled differently for two different peoples. 🙂

  105. Pixo says:

    Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.

    After the humiliating defeat and complete retreat from Kiev and Sumy, it is now being chased out of metro Kharkiv back all the way to its borders, and losing ground every single week around Kherson.

    All it can do now is very slowly flatten random cities with weeks of shelling, then take their abandoned and worthless ruins. Even that it does slowly and with high casualties.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation).

    Deny and cope Russobots, but in your heart you know you’re third class, and USA #1.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Aether
  106. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    The pretty Mari woman could easily pass for a Ukrainian one. I knew a gorgeous blonde one from Kherson that looked very similar to her.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  107. Pixo says:
    @Mr. Hack

    “China will end up being the big winner.”

    If it convinces China invading Taiwan would be really stupid, yes.

    But the direct and immediate winners are non-Russian oil exporters, who are making ungodly profits even while they increase production. Venezuela and Iran especially are winners as the US quietly eases off on our economic warfare against them so they can export more oil.

    US profits from very high LNG export prices might end up more than covering the cost of the weapons Ukraine is getting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  108. Mr. Hack says:
    @Pixo

    I would think that American, Canadian and Mexican oil companies are doing quite well too right now.

  109. Mikhail says: • Website

  110. LatW says:
    @Gerard1234

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word, with common Slavic root.

    It’s a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning “to pour” or “rain”.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  111. Derer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Wrong again. Ukraine was “lured” into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia.

    This is an illiterate understanding of the events. EU offered membership and US offered NATO (Crimea was selected for American military base), but pro-Russian president of Ukraine refused and therefore he was removed by US meddling (McCain, Nuland, Biden, CIA). “Fcuk the EU” explains the US opposition to EU membership. After 8 years of Ukies/Nazi killing ethnic Russians in Donbas, finally Russia decided to protect the Donbas by military presence.

    Your; “EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion” is a high caliber lunacy. Your hate of everything Russian has retarded your rational thinking.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  112. Aether says:
    @Beckow

    Endless cope from you.

    Western propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will lose the conventional war in days, but Russia will eventually withdraw from the insurgency.

    Russian propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will welcome Russia and it will all be done in days with a quick peace.

    Reality:

    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis. No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia. Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures. NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years, at least.

    Yet somehow you are still gleefully boasting. You’re mental. The situation is unimaginably worse for Russia than even the most hubristic Western propaganda “predicted.” And it is unimaginably better for Ukraine, no matter how awful it is for them too. You’ve been lied to again and again and now you can’t even remember what your reality was a few months ago. You somehow think this is winning. You’re totally mindf*cked.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  113. Aether says:
    @Pixo

    Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.

    It is that “Fuller!” The man who literally secured the import of 2 Chechen terrorists and married his daughter off to their uncle! Sounds like a solid guy.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.

    China will now be the alternative source for military kit, to the US, not Russia. There’s no prestige left with the Russian military.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!

    Yes, it is a joke. The only people who like Russia any more are those who are permanently set against “the current thing.”
    And unsurprisingly, people who define themselves as solely anti-everything that is successful, tend to be extremely marginal.

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation)

    Perfect analogy. What’s most hilarious is that the Russia bots are still gloating about Russian military supremacy. I can’t imagine Americans watch the US military fail to capture Vancouver in 4 months and yet somehow claiming that this is an incredible American performance. Or that America is winning. I suppose, unconsciously, losing, to people who deeply want to lose, because they are losers, feels like winning.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  114. songbird says:

    I’ve wondered recently if the different art styles of manga and anime are somehow related to sex differences, especially to do with visual perception.

    Does the target market for males have some stylistic convergence with male vision? With that of hunters? While the female market has a visual style related to gathering?

  115. Mikhail says: • Website

    Well worth to listen in full:

    • Replies: @nickels
  116. Mikhail says: • Website

    Re: https://dpyne.substack.com/p/a-proposed-peace-plan-to-end-the

    Given the overall UN reply of kicking Russia out of the UNHRC, prompted by the dubious Kiev regime Bucha allegation, Russia negatively views that org on par with how US neocons very skeptically viewed the UN in the 1970s and 80s. In addition, the West did nothing to coerce the Kiev regime into implementing the UN approved Minsk Protocol.

    Russia is winning, with some pro-Russian leaning advocates seeking more territory. The Kiev regime recently hit a Russian oil rig that’s closer to Odessa than Crimea. While opposing Russia’s military operation, the Odessa mayor is against the anti-Russian cancel culture antics of the Kiev regime, bringing to mind what I said on April 4 about how Zelensky’s popularity could take a dip, relative to Putin’s among those on the territory of Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    There’s nothing especially unreasonable about Ukraine being in a militarily neutral status with a regionalized autonomous structure. Doing the opposite prompted Crimea’s reunification with Russia and rebellion in Donbass.

    Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundary put together people with differing perspectives. The coup that overthrew Ukraine’s democratically elected president in 2014, included an arrogant dynamic that has sought to centralize that former Soviet republic’s Communist drawn boundary in a set geopolitical and cultural direction than many there oppose.

  117. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke

    If the EU is anything it’s an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.

    Then they should be honest about that. Dissolve the EU and replace it were with a bilateral agreement between France And Germany.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  118. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Great idea! They’re bound to take this matter up and vote on it next week. If they don’t, it will spell greater doom for their puppet state in the US.

    According to kremlinstoogeA123, it’s the other way around?

  119. @S

    Loose end from above:

    Charlotte Cowell is the Tomberg scholar whose last name I was blanking on. She has a riveting tale of the Bolshevik black magicians harassing him into migrating away from Lithuania but the source documentation is not in English.

    More if you are interested although it is hard for me to imagine that many people are:

    There are enormous libraries filled with Russian esoterica to get lost in.

    • Thanks: S
  120. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.

    It’s is well known that MAGA is not going to start a war with Russia. And, instead of propping up a failing Kiev regime, that money will be directed to securing the U.S. border.

    What will the European WEF do when their puppet Not-The-President Biden loses the ability to fund Europe’s war?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  121. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.

    More of your unsubstantiated nonsense. I voted for Trump as I’m sure that others here who are proud of the Ukrainian flag also voted for Trump. It wont be an issue though next time around, for Trump will not be running again. Even Vice President Pence is rumored to have become a “NeverTrumper”. 🙂

  122. songbird says:

    One way to facilitate remigration might be to build floating banlieues like they are doing in Busan and a few other places, and then to tow them away at night and remoor them at Lagos.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  123. Beckow says:
    @Aether

    I appreciate your counter-summary. It is wrong, but has coherence and doesn’t argue with cousins who fight or tries the tear-jerk ‘but, they are killing us!!!!, stop!!!!’. War is an organized killing to take territory, why are they surprised?

    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis.

    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk – both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev’s army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia.

    That’s like claiming that “95% of ancient Egyptians couldn’t swim” – totally unverifiable and made-up based on what you already believe. You cannot establish stable opinions in the middle of a war: too risky, too volatile, too much fear. One can claim that “75% of Ukrainians also hate the Kiev government and the oligarchs running it“. Who knows? Both may be partially true. Or one is true in Galicia and Kiev and the other in the east and south. Those are unstable and largely fake metrics in a war.

    There were genuine signs of welcome in the east and south: I saw videos from Mariupol, other cities, Kherson. You can claim those are “Russians” – so what? aren’t Russians people? That’s why there is a war because the likes of you decided that millions of people who happen to be Russian and live in Ukraine are not really people. Claiming that many Russians fight for Ukraine is both true and irrelevant: many are professional soldiers or conscripted. Given that up to 50% of the population of Ukraine had some sense of Russian identity, why would that be surprising?

    We will have to wait until the end of the war.

    Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures.

    That has been now adjusted to 8% down, inflation is dow and they are cutting interest rates. Ruble is the best performing currency of 2022 up 35% against dollar. Russia is flushed with huge revenue increases – oil, gas, grain, fertilizer, aluminum are all dramatically up. Customers are obediently paying for gas in rubles, so what was all that “never” in April-May?

    Europe and US are heading into a recession. Germany declared an ‘energy emergency’. many plants have shut down because they cannot make money with energy this expensive. The debts are too high in the West to have a recession – the defaults could be catastrophic. There are risks everywhere: Europe, US, Africa…and also Russia. This is a collective jump off a cliff.

    NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years

    Nato has been expanding for 20 years. In Ukraine it was stopped – no more talk, no more plans for bases – Berdiansk and Ochakov were British ministers were opening new bases last year were destroyed in the first 48 hours. It was the main reason for the war and it has been accomplished.

    If you think that two Scandie countries that have been effectively in Nato for decades now officially joining makes much difference, well, have that small victory. It is a mixed blessing to be a target and to lose the cocoon of neutrality, no matter how fake it was.

    The arms coming to Ukraine are being destroyed almost as quickly – even the official Kiev admits 35%. The war may not last for 2 years, so the long-term promises are not worth much.

    Kiev officially admits to losing around 10k killed and 3 times that many wounded. The number of POWs is in tens of thousands. The weapons ratio is 10 to 1 to Russia’s advantage (of course official admission by Kiev). These were the best trained professional troops. And don’t do “what-aboutism” about the Russian losses – that’s their issue, they have a much larger country and have had smaller losses so far. In a war of attrition, Kiev will inevitably lose.

    Stick around so we can compare whose prognosis is closer to reality. If Kiev ends up winning I will admit it, but you should be willing to see the other side. History gets really ugly when people refuse to think and live in pleasing narratives. French, Germans, Swedes, Poles marched on Moscow with some of the same ideas you have. Maybe this time it is different, but probably not.

    • Replies: @Aether
    , @Wielgus
  124. Aether says:
    @Beckow

    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk – both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev’s army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No, that’s the territory taken by Russia in 2014, when Ukraine didn’t really have a military, because Russian-bribed governments had stopped them from building one. Russia is actually a long way backwards from where it was after a week of the war. This is a fact.

    That’s like claiming that “95% of ancient Egyptians couldn’t swim”

    No, Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months, using plumbers and email jobbers. You can’t do that with a population that is sympathetic to Russia, and it is Eastern Ukrainians who fighting the hardest.

    You also mention the economy. Avoiding every fact but that Western economies won’t shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%, and that percentage keeps rising, a depression much worse than any years after the collapse of the USSR, but one.

    As for the rest of your post, you continue to avoid the point. Please answer, how you consider Russia to be winning anything when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
  125. Wokechoke says:
    @Aether

    Russia is doing just fine. Historically speaking what they have done is in line with past campaigns in the area. Ukraine has surpassed expectations but is now getting the shit kicked out of it by the superior force.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Disagree: Aether
  126. @German_reader


  127. what could possibly be the point of this, other than the obvious jewish campaign to take over the entire world of european peoples? if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia, then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @A123
  128. Beckow says:
    @Aether

    You are a fantasist who seems to know nothing other than the Western propaganda headlines. Try to pay attention:

    No, that’s the territory taken by Russia in 2014…

    Nonsense, in 2014 Russia took only around 1/3 of Donbas. Now they control the Black See coast, Kherson, most of Zaporzhie, all of Lugansk, Mariupol, and parts of north-east around Kharkov. It amounts to territory the size of England. In 4 months that’s a lot. Look on the map and stop spouting nonsense. And don’t declare a “fact” something that is untrue.

    Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months

    See above, if that is a standstill you have a strange definition of it. Ukrainians fight well with huge losses, but results matter. You say that at some point Russia controlled more territory (March?): in a war there is a lot of tactical movement and fronts move. They didn’t control Mariupol or Lugansk province in March – now they do.

    Western economies won’t shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%

    Western economies are already shrinking and the inflation has exploded – if you adjust for the inflation factor, the Western economies are smaller than last year. When prices go up by 8-10% they artificially boost GNP numbers. Inflation adjustment is always delayed and today also intentionally underestimated.

    Russia’s latest projection is a drop in GNP of 8% – not 15% they thought it would be in February. They suffer, everyone suffers – this is a collective jump of a cliff. Nothing to boast about.

    how you consider Russia to be winning when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?

    Western propaganda is aimed at the Western population – maybe people like you – and is not a benchmark for success. It is a common propaganda technique to claim that the enemy’s goals are much more ambitious than they are and so they are failing. Nazis did that in WWII, it is what propaganda does. In reverse, Russian propaganda downplays the goals to claim success easier. That is a basic dynamic of propaganda that you should understand.

    They point to the biggest rock and say the enemy wants to lift it – if he lifts a smaller rock they say, “Oh, he failed!” Transparent, almost childish. It is done to manage the Western population but has no real meaning.

    Western propaganda in February claimed that the Russian economy will collapse, “ruble will be rubble (Biden)”, nobody will buy Russian oil and gas, nobody will pay in rubles – all that has turned out false.

    Russia is winning the war on points and surviving economically. Deal with that reality and stop fooling yourself.

    • Troll: Aether
  129. Beckow says:
    @prime noticer

    The black-clad hottie has a costly haircut and disengaged eyes, she is mentally out of there. And who wears a badly-fitting vest on official visits?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  130. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer

    if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia,

    Presumably you mean the non-Jewish attack not supported by Israel? (1)

    “I want the Israeli government to move away from its comfort zone and get back to reality,” Ukraine’s Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk said.

    Kyiv wants to purchase Israel’s Iron Dome air defenses system and for Jerusalem to sign off on the transfer of its Spike SR anti-tank guided missile system from Germany to Ukraine, the country’s ambassador, Yevgen Korniychuk, told reporters on Tuesday.

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

    Presumably, he represents post-Judaic apostates. Those who have turned their back on the authentic Palestine Judaism of Israel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-708766

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @prime noticer
  131. @A123

    Another excellent insightful comment. You’re not off your rocker: Wokechoke is

    Germany is at the heart of the EU scam. Before the Euro ( 2002), the EU was something of a captive market for German manufactures and finance, especially the former. The Euro was devised, largely by German financiers, to ensure that the EU would be a completely captive market. The result has been disastrous for industry, especially in Mediterranean countries and Eastern Europe. It has also caused serious hardship for much of the population in many of these countries. This is best exemplified by the case of Greece.

    Greece went into economic crisis after 2008. There are 5 main options in dealing with a financial crisis.

    1) DEVALUE THE CURRENCY
    This results in home-grown goods and services being much more competitive in price. Imports increase in price, but this encourages import substitution. But Greece no longer had its own currency. It has the Euro, controlled by the European Central Bank, based in Berlin and run by and for German interests. They would not devalue the Euro for Greece. The only way for Greece would be to resurrect the Drachma and to leave the EU. This would take years, as we have seen with the UK, with the EU puting obstacle after obstacle in Greece’s path. Nothing could be done at all quickly.

    2) DEFAULT ON THE NATIONAL DEBT OR WRITE IT DOWN
    This was opposed by the ECB. The vast bulk of the debt is owed to German and French banks, in whose interests the ECB acts. In order to default or write down, the Drachma would have to be revived To follow this course, Greece would also have to leave the EU. As previously outlined, this would take years. Greece hasn’t left and, as a result, now has a National Debt equivalent to 200% of GDP.

    3) IMPOSE TARIFFS ON IMPORTED GOODS AND SERVICES
    As Greece is in the Eurozone – a free trade zone – this would mean Greece having to leave the EU

    [MORE]

    The adoption of the Euro prevented options 1 and 2. If Greece still had the Drachma it could have devalued the currency. Greek goods and services would have become more competitive vis-a-vis imported German ones. It could have defaulted or written down its National Debt and interest payments would have ceased or eased. This would have caused friction with the EU, but Greece would still be able to do it. I suspect that Greece would have had to leave the EU shortly thereafter, though.

    With options 1,2, and 3 precluded, that leaves only options 4 and 5 in play.

    4) REDUCE GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE
    This was what the EU and the financiers forced on Greece. Severe cuts in expenditure have resulted in reductions of benefits and serious hardship for most of the population. Options 1 and 2 promised a revival in economic activity. Without 1 and 2, reducing government expenditure is futile. It depresses demand in a depressed economy even further. Greece has experienced nearly 15 years of austerity now. And the bankers still won’t get their money back. Sometime in the future Greece will still need to default.

    5) SELL PUBLIC ASSETS
    e.g Piraeus Harbour, various airports etc.
    If you are selling public assets, you must sell during periods of economic expansion. Selling in times of austerity amounts to little more than asset stripping.Anyway, the effect on debt repayment is negligible.

    You say:

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    Very sensible. But the politicos and Eurocrats who run the EU are ideologues, not sensible people. The people to whom they answer – mainly German industrialists and financiers – want the EU to go on forever.
    So there will be a catastrophic collapse. That is predictable. . However, the actual details of that collapse will certainly be unpredictable..

    • Replies: @A123
  132. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    More of your nonsense (lies?). You’re projecting your kremlinstooge sympathies to everyone in the world now.

    When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

    Also a careful reading of this statement indicates that 47% said that Israel has taken a balanced stance not that Israel should take a balanced stance. One thing for sure though, is that of those Israelis that hold stronger positions about the war, their sympathies lay by five times more in support of Ukraine than they do Russia (25% vs 5%). Check your facts more carefully before blurting out absurdities.

  133. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    You are 100% correct about by the problem.

    I previously discussed a highly viable solution. This is from 2020:

    Due to single € currency EuroZone [EZ] it is impossible for Italy to exit the EU/EZ. The € denominated debts owed by Italian entities prevents a return to the Lira without a legal framework to redenominate all contracts. Given that the EU is incapable of good faith negotiations with the UK, one has to believe they would be equally intransigent in any Italian negotiations.

    That leaves two possibilities for the next Italian government:

    Default — Which would destroy German financial institutions, such as Deutsche Bank
    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Given the amount of Italian Government debt held by Italian citizens and banks, Default becomes complex as an option. Selectively defaulting on only foreign held debt is difficult to execute.

    Monetization is much more practical. Italian Euro € Printer Go *Brrrr*…. The powerless ECB screams, but there is little that they can actually do. Once the first devaluation occurs others will follow such as Greece and Spain.

    German Elites, the backbone of SJW Globalism, will lose control and no longer be able to brutalize other EU/EZ nations with their perverse Austerity Economics. Individual German savers will see the value of their savings radically diminshed. This will likely lead to a German exit from the single € currency. The remaining EZ nations can then end the € in an orderly manner.

    I suggested something similar for Greece even earlier.
    ____

    The EU founding documents are badly written, as Brexit showed. The EuroZone [EZ] common currency documents are even worse. If several countries start printing their sovereign € currency, there is nothing the ECB can do to prevent it. The German people would force Germany out of the EZ, and thus the EU.

    Despite Wokechoke’s outrage…. It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  134. songbird says:

    One way that we Americans could make good use of the growing sense of superstition and of the evil eye would be to paint the old Roman warning cacator cave malum on our urban, streetside walls.

    • Agree: Coconuts
  135. Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war.

    That’s the crux of the matter. I am really surprised that so many ostensibly intelligent people keep chewing the cud here. Ukrainian Nazis willing to fight are being killed at the rate of a few hundred per day. Cowardly Ukrainian Nazis have already run away to Europe (serves Europe right: if you allow shit in, don’t be surprised that it stinks). Ukrainian regime resorted to forcibly conscripting anyone they can, rounding men up in the streets and even on the beaches and sending them to the frontlines within days, w/o even minimal training. This intended cannon fodder does not want to fight: they docilely wait to be taken prisoners by the Russian/DPR/LPR forces, happy to remain alive.

    The war might last some time yet, largely because in contrast to the US “shock and awe” (meaning let any number of aborigines die, who cares), Russia is still trying to kill as few as possible and destroy as little as possible. For a good reason: Russia will be the one rebuilding deceased Ukraine, no matter how these territories are formatted.

    The only question remaining now is whether RF will leave a token “Ukraine” (like the pathetic piece Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654) under strict Russian control (that would include military bases) or take it all as separate regions, w/o recreating anything called “Ukraine”. Every Ukrainian attack on Russian territory makes the latter scenario more likely, regardless what Russian leadership thinks (in sharp contrast to “democracies”, Russian leadership does not go much against the will of the people).

    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy.

    Not so fast. Russia will be in a position to decide who to sell what. Europeans work hard to be at the end of the line, possibly end up empty-handed. The great majority of countries (with about ¾ of Earth population) refused to introduce any sanctions against Russia, despite imperial wrath. Even some states the US always saw as obedient vassals (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Bahrein, Kuwait, to name just a few) did not sanction Russia. Russian trade will focus on those normal countries, at the expense of obedient US vassals. Europeans, as well as US-occupied Japan and South Korea, stand to lose big.

    Finally, Russia’s geopolitical character has very likely now decisively tilted towards Eurasia.

    This is exactly what I said above. Except it would be also tilted towards Latin America and Africa, regions where not a single country toed the imperial line.

    Let me end on a lighter (maybe) note. New Russian joke: “The situation with the approval of the military operation in Ukraine by the Black Sea Fleet is not as simple as Russian officials make it sound. Some officers and sailors approve of it, whereas others believe that it’s high time to strike Washington directly.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Jazman
  136. nickels says:
    @Mikhail

    Barnes whole attack on Gab was disappointing.

    These ‘conservatives’ still on twitter are there because the Zionists want them there.

    What a cuck.

    • Replies: @Matra
  137. @Thulean Friend

    conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents’ political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Elon Musk might have lots of money but I’ll bet his time investment in his kids is near nil.

    But, your points are critical, and something I have given quite a bit of thought to myself. Fecundity is meaningless if one isn’t imparting a viable alternative worldview strong enough to withstand the mainstream.

    My parents were successful enough with my brother and I, in that regard, but things have accelerated significantly since then. I would distill the success of my own parents in finding a fairly correct balance between raising us outside the mainstream, yet not sheltered from it. This went a long way as it allowed us to develop our own critiques as we got older and were capable of making our own estimations. As someone that was home-schooled, but not stiflingly over protected, I could see many of the absurdities of the mainstream.

    I’ve tried to re-create this environment with my own kids, but it’s really far more treacherous waters than it was when I was a kid and we’ve had to get much more into the thick of it at an earlier age than I would have imagined.

    My oldest daughter has some cousins about her age that, while not entirely unexpectedly, quite precipitously have gone the hardcore lesbian/ now leaning trans route. They had done more groundwork in proselytizing than we realized and we had to get in front of things in a hurry. It was also more than just the LGBT thing with these girls, and we later discovered it was wrapped up with a ton of baggage regarding self-loathing, eating disorders, self harm, sexually explicit fan fic, and depression and anxiety. The LGBT is, I think, really just a coping mechanism for some of these other issues.

    My own daughter was initially somewhat drawn to this “cool” world and we had some real issues as she began to take on some of their pathological self perception issues. Once we realized what was happening, we, and especially my wife, had to really struggle to keep communication open and help her to keep things into perspective.

    One of the notable aspects is how there is significant peer pressure by LGBT to also be LGBT. Otherwise you are vanilla and not one of the cool edgy kids.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now. It’s become a maturing experience for her now though not the type that I would have wished on her yet. As her cousin’s have deteriorated quickly into obviously depressed, withdrawn, angry, and militant people it’s been easy to show that they are on a very self-destructive path. They are largely making our arguments for us at this point.

    We had to be very gentle and somewhat cautious, but implacably persistent with our daughter. We were also very clear that we did not hate her cousins in any way, but were also clear in communicating why certain attitudes and actions were pathological.

    For a while there we felt on a knife’s edge and we were afraid that we could lose the girl we knew. It can happen quickly, even when you think you are surrounding yourself with good people. We came to regard it quite literally as a form of spiritual warfare; a battle for our daughter’s soul. This went way beyond purely the gay thing, since I’ve known gays and lesbians that seemed like reasonably balanced people. The current LGBT “movement” however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  138. @AP

    Well everyone, I’m really excited to get to the part of AP/ Here Be Dragon’s argument where one of them says,

    “Golly Gee, that last point really made me think! I guess you’ve been right all along, and thanks so much for taking the time to pass along all that wisdom and demonstrating the errors in my logic!”

    I’m sure it’s coming any comment now…

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  139. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    This one is even more funny, don’t you think?

    Still bellyaching about the West while you live and make money in the US? What a loser! Why not move back to the old country Professor? Beckow tells me that there’s a great building spree going on in the “garden city by the sea” in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too…

    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
  140. How many gays and trannies are left in Ukraine?

  141. songbird says:

    Jainism makes perfect sense if one considers the dog-sized ants living in the highlands of India that Herodotus mentioned.

  142. Matra says:
    @nickels

    Notice he uses the SJW term “safe space” in a couple of different tweets. Conservatives/libertarians who use Leftist language always end up accepting their morality too.

    Meanwhile in the UK Putin is now causing railway strikes. This man must be stopped.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  143. A123 says: • Website

    😁 Open Thread Humor 😂

    To preserve thread stability, most of the items are below the [MORE] tag.

    PEACE 😇

     

     

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  144. @Emil Nikola Richard

    I never had heard of this guy but I can to the same conclusions that he did. And one of my major influences was indeed Christopher Sommer, who I had heard of over 15 years ago but whose methods I never made a serious effort to apply.

    There were two things that really influenced me more than anything else: YouTube videos of a guy who practiced walking on his hands for a month and and made massive forearm and triceps gains while being able to achieve a PR in handstand pushups, a movement that he had not trained in the previous 2 months. The other thing that caught my interest was a video of a guy who walked 10 miles a day for a week and gained 1/4 of an inch on his calf (a body part notorious for refusing to grow) while losing 4lbs, which was a greater gain than he had made during a previous experiment where he did 10k calf raises a day for a month.

    It seems that the human body doesn’t respond well to rote exercises. Since then I have switched over to a program based on static holds and I would like to eventually add sled pushing and pulling for my lower body.

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  145. @Matra

    The European economy has collapsed the second government in a week. First Estonia and now Bulgaria.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bulgarian-government-faces-no-confidence-vote-political-turmoil-2022-06-22/

    Boris Johnson is looking shaky.

  146. @Greasy William

    Ido Portal’s interview was all over the place. His English seems perfectly fine but the tone I got was a cult leader guru who hasn’t had much conversation with any humans other than disciples in many years.

    One memorable idiocy: he said he learned the most from his worst teachers.

    WTF does that mean?

    There were a few valuable points but very low S/N ratio. To Huberman’s credit he edited the transcript so the odd names were all rendered with correct spelling. The transcripts of his shows are the best part for sure.

    It seems that the human body doesn’t respond well to rote exercises.

    Every body is different. I also am keen on variety. Adam Sinicki’s book is very very good.

  147. Ido Portal’s interview was all over the place. His English seems perfectly fine but the tone I got was a cult leader guru who hasn’t had much conversation with any humans other than disciples in many years.

    He’s definitely a cult guru and there is way too much fluff in his philosophy. Literally anything good he has too offer you can get from cross training in gymnastics and/or break dancing. Also he makes training too complicated, because you can’t sell simple.

  148. @Barbarossa

    The current LGBT “movement” however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.

    If homosexuality was banned tomorrow, I’d be against it. There is a small percentage of the human population that will always be homosexual. These people cannot change and shouldn’t be stigmatised.

    That having been said, what we’re seeing now is outright grooming. When some advocates are pushing for genital mutilation of young children, which have dramatic and life-changing effects, there cannot be any space for neutrality or passive tolerance.

    I don’t even think this is a left/right issue – or at least it shouldn’t be. JK Rowling can hardly be described as a right-wing firebrand and TERFs exist.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.

    He regularly brags about pulling 100 hour work-weeks. This is the price he paid.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now.

    Congratulations! I’m happy it all worked out. Nevertheless, I suspect most parents aren’t as deft in navigating these treacherous waters as you and your wife, which is why changing the mainstream culture is the only sustainable solution for most families.

  149. @A123

    “Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.”

    View post on imgur.com

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  150. @AP

    Hello ape.

    [MORE]
    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn’t get it.

    You conveniently excluded regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions involved lower-IQ Russians.

    Not a single region was on purpose excluded. The regions with the largest numbers of ethnic Russians were featured in the order of decreasing amount, exactly as it was listed in my comment.

    The regions with high percentage of Russians were featured, no attention was paid to the regional score during the selection. This is why the intelligent Tyumen with 103.6 wasn’t included – the share of Russians is 73.3 percent, that’s not enough. Even though it has a large number of ethnic Russians, despite the low percentage, it wasn’t included, because that might introduce a possible influence of some smart minorities on the general score.

    To be precise, the regions with more than 90 percent share of ethnic Russians were put on the list, then the number of minorities was subtracted from the population, and then those regions were positioned according to the number of ethnic Russians, decreasing from top to bottom. Then the first 20 regions on the list were taken for a sample. The sum total of the score points was calculated for each region.

    The average percentage of minorities was calculated for the entire group and it happened to be 95 percent.

    Tyumen has population of 1 518 695 people with 73.3 percent of the being ethnic Russians and the general score of 103.6, so even after having subtracted the 26.7 percent of minorities we still have 1 113 203 of Russians and that’s ore than in the featured regions like Kursk with its low 97.1 score, or Kaluga with 94.0, that you said was excluded, which it wasn’t. Tyumen wasn’t featured because the share of Russians is low.

    Novgorod with 96.5 points wasn’t featured, because its population is low – 600 296 people, with 96.5 percent Russians making 570 281, it was outnumbered. Kaluga with 94.0 points has 939 732 of Russians, and Kemerovo with 95.9 points has 2 505 777, so these two got on the list, despite the lower scores, and Novgorod didn’t. For the same reason Kostroma with 103.3 score didn’t make it on the list.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow’s high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.

    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk – that would have been 26 million of ethnic Russians – more than a half of the featured, as well as it would have left us with the population of provinces alone.

    And the same as we can’t get a practical impression about intelligence of the Brazilians without counting Rio and Sao Paolo, or the Germans without Berlin and Hamburg, or the Mexicans without Mexico, we can’t exclude the most populous cities and regions from Russia, especially considering that those four areas make 20 percent of the entire population.

    So then the decision was to focus on the number of people, keeping in mind that the percentage of minorities should be low. And it happened that in the selected regions on average there’s 5 percent of minorities, so it fitted perfectly to my initial intention.

    The high-performing regions of Kaliningrad with 102.8 points, Karelia with 100.9, Komi with 100.8, Omsk with 100.6, Samara with 100.2 had to be excluded, the same as Tyumen with its 103.6 and Kostroma with 103.3, because in these regions either the share of minorities was higher than needed or the population was smaller than in other regions.

    Even though it’s obvious, and there’s no reason to consider otherwise, that 18 percent of Karelian minorities could not have performed better or worse than 82 percent of their Russian neighbors, with both of them having lived together for centuries, being close, having mixed families – even though it’s obvious, the region wasn’t included because the percentage of ethnic Russians is lower than 90, and the number is lower than a million.

    The regions featured on the list have at least one million of ethnic Russian population with 5 percent on average share of minorities.

    The share of ethnic Russians in Moscow is 91.6 percent.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ, which would probably be around 100.5 or so.

    A dishonesty would have been to include the higher scoring regions instead of the low scoring, such as Kemerovo with 95.9, Voronezh with 97.5, Belgorod with 97.3, Vologda with 97.9, Kursk with 97.1, Kaluga with 94.0 score – but these regions were on the list.

    That would have been easy to substitute these six with the aforementioned high scoring regions. For example Kostroma with 103.3 might have been included, on account of having a higher share of ethnic Russians – 96.6%, compared to Kaluga having 93.1% and 94.0 points. Kemerovo, Voronezh and Belgorod have lower percentages of Russians as well.

    Omsk and Samara could have been included instead of Kursk and Belgorod, on account of having a larger population. Kaliningrad has 13.6 percent of minorities, but of these 7.3 percent are Belarusians and Ukrainians, and it doesn’t make it count as minorities, to be fair – so it could and perhaps should have been included, but it wasn’t because that would be cherry-picking.

    Had those low scoring six areas been substituted with the better ones, the median score would have been 102.0 – but that’s not the real median.

    We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians.

    So it was in 2009. The estimated Russian average IQ score based on that test was 95.2 then, but the same test in 2012 showed 97.1, and in 2015 – 98.8, there’s no reason to consider that it isn’t a stable trend.

    So it was, if it was indeed.

    There’s no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There’s a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.

    First of all, we don’t know. Share that information source.

    Second, if we calculate the estimated IQ result from that 518 PISA score, it will be 102.7 and not 104.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points. So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.

    You can’t count it like that, idiot.

    According to the PISA scores, in that blog, the average score in Russia was 481. After PISA to IQ conversion we get 97.1 points, or to be precise 97.15, as in the graphic that had been shown before. That was in 2012, and the map with regional scores is from 2015.

    The estimated IQ of Russia according to the OECD scores of 2009 was 95.2, and in 2015 it was 98.8, and in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.

    Now we can do as Professor does – if the sore was 95.2 in 2009 and then 98.8 in 2015 that means it had grown on 3.8% in 6 years, therefore in 2021 it was supposed to be 102.5 – bingo!

    And since as we know ethnic Russians are 2.5% more intelligent, the score of ethnic Russians in 2021 was supposed to be 103.7, so tell me professor which number is higher.

    That’s stupid. But you would certainly do it.

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. You have failed again and as usual. As I said, failing is what you do best.

    You know what you remind me about?

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.

    That’s you, AP.

    Let me show you how to count. You need to take the PISA score, and keeping in mind that the mean number for it is 500 and deviation 100, translate it to the IQ scale where the mean is 100 and deviation 15. To do this we subtract or add the deviation from the mean.

    Keeping that relationship.

    Your problem, professor is that of a person who is good at learning and remembering, but is bad at logic and reasoning. You are that person, who is holding a huge pile of information in his head, and considers himself intelligent because he kind of knows it, even though in truth he remembers what others taught him, and doesn’t know it because he figured it out – he remembers, what other people had figured out, and he was taught.

    You can’t think.

    Once confronted with an argument that requires reasoning, you are mediocre at best.

    Have a good one.

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  151. Anon 2 says:

    The war in Ukraine reminds me of two men so absorbed in their
    duel they don’t realize they are near a precipice. Sure enough,
    they soon fall into the abyss, villagers find their mangled bodies, and
    bury their remains. Instead of building a Garden of Eden in
    Europe, the two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide. This war reinforces the point of view
    I expressed here several years ago, namely that regarding human beings
    as weapon-making predatory primates or smart chimps, i.e., as
    animals, is a good first-order approximation to reality. Only individuals
    such as Jesus of Nazareth or perhaps St. Francis of Assisi have been
    able to transcend this sad state of affairs.

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe. Germany
    has been a long-term embarrassment to white people because of its
    propensity to hyperviolence. Bertrand Russell said the Germans
    resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they
    have zero talent for politics. IMHO Germany, although it has been
    reduced to a vassal state kept on a short leash by NATO, is still a
    bigger problem than Russia if only because Germany is right in the
    middle of the continent whereas Russia is on the periphery.

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  152. LondonBob says:
    @songbird

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end ‘Chocolate City’, where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

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  153. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    The term ‘bully’ is appropriate in this context. It refers to someone who
    is simultaneously brutal and foolish, and as we all know there is no fool
    like a German fool. A few recent examples of German foolishness:

    – A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on
    December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).
    As Kissinger said, “Germany is too large for Europe, and too small
    for the world,” but Germans, apparently, don’t realize how small
    the population of Germany is. Germany ranks 19th in population.
    Ahead are countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Mexico, and Bangladesh.
    Germans, like Russians, are mentally stuck in the 19th century when
    the nonwhite populations were much smaller;

    – Between 1955 and 1973 Germany invites millions of Turkish Gastarbeiters.
    Their number is currently estimated as ranging between 3 to 7 million;

    – This one is simultaneously selfish and foolish: German bankers inflict
    the euro on Southern European countries like Greece;

    – Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Instead of diversifying its supply,
    Germany is hellbent on becoming almost totally dependent on Russia;

    – Merkel’s blunder: In 2015 she singlehandedly (without consulting
    Germany’s EU allies) invites over a million Middle Eastern migrants.
    True, Germany is losing about 250,000 ethnic Germans a year, due to
    low fertility and emigration, but is replacing them with Muslims
    a really good idea? According to official stats, only 5% of “Germans”
    are Muslims but if you believe that I’ve got a beachfront property in
    North Dakota to sell you;

    – Decommissioning AlL of Germany’s nuclear power plants. Why not
    50%? Germans, as usual, are incapable of following the path of
    moderation, which in the Aristotelian/Buddhist tradition is the
    path of wisdom.

    I could mention many more examples but ultimately they come down
    to German primitivism. Europe is waiting for Germans to become less
    primitive and more civilized. Unfortunately, this may take a long time
    as

    – Germans tend to worship the state, i.e., they believe it’s best to obey
    the government because the govt knows better. They are, apparently,
    unaware that sociopaths are overrepresented in business and politics;

    – Instead of the superior pragmatic-empirical attitude typical of the
    Anglo-American culture, Germans are extremely ideological, i.e.,
    they believe maps of reality more than they believe reality itself;

    – They tend to believe that science and technology are our salvation.
    As a result, they gave priority to their chemical and nuclear industry
    over the environment. People tell me, “You should have seen the Ruhr
    region 50 years ago.” Germans are destroyers of life. Even today
    Germany still has one of the lowest levels of biodiversity in Europe.

  154. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    One more item:

    Both Germans and Russians are very slow learners.
    That’s why they strike one as socially and politically primitive,
    e.g., invading their neighbors instead of cooperating with them.
    Germany, specifically, destroying nature, instead of protecting
    the environment. I realize that Germany has been repentant
    and is trying to mend its ways but cooperation does not seem
    to be in the German DNA – arrogance is.

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  155. @A123

    Very interesting comment. The only thing with which I disagreed was: “German elites, the backbone of SJW globalism”. That should surely read: “American elites, the backbone of SJW globalism” But that’s a matter for another post.

    You say

    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy. Germany had to use the Papiermark to buy foreign currencies to pay its reparations. Hyperinflation meant that it was unable to buy foreign currencies and unable to pay its reparations. So this scheme involved printing excess money to default on reparations.

    However, this annoyed the French who occupied the Ruhr in 1923. Shortly thereafter, the situation was stabilised by the introduction of the Rentenmark, and reparations were reinstated. So the policy was ultimately unsuccessful. However, there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    I’m not an admirer of economist Michael Hudson, but he has suggested a very useful idea – a debt jubilee, partial or full debt cancellation at both state and private level. This idea should certainly be explored.

    You say

    . It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.

    Indeed it is. Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, the UK was part of EFTA -the European Free Trade Association, along with Scandinavian countries, Portugal, Switzerland etc. This is what the future of the EU should be – a free trade bloc of European sovereign states. It would be bound by treaty, and would have no superstate or similar aspirations.

    PS I’ll need to have a look at your website. You’ve presented a lot of interesting ideas.

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  156. sher singh says:

    Peters delights his 2.2 million Facebook followers by conducting mass burnings of “demonic” Harry Potter books.

    https://unherd.com/2022/06/the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

    Nearly half of today’s Republicans consider themselves born-again, a figure up from 37% in 1988.

    They also use words like Patriots or MAGA.

    @a123

  157. @Mr. Hack

    great building spree going on in the “garden city by the sea” in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too…

    But why would he leave his comfortable life in The Great Satan to live in cholera-stricken Mariupol, recently brought into the so-called “Russian world”???

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  158. Mr. Hack says:
    @Callsign Pidor

    Apparently, as a Russian patriot he should feel that a cholera infested Mariupol, created by his own political Russian leadership, is superior to the new life and home that he’s created for himself in Memphis Tennessee. Why else does he continually bemoan his adopted home for the one that he left behind? Why else would he stay put?

  159. Mr. Hack says:
    @prime noticer

    Israeli polling clearly shows that of those Israeli citizens that have formed an opinion about the Russian/Ukrainian war, five times as many support the Ukrainian rather than the Russian side. He’s obviously substituting his own opinions for reality. He feels that anybody supporting the Ukrainian side are part and parcel of some sort of satanic conspiracy theory (he’s big on conspiracy theories).

    When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

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  160. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    47% would like to host Oligarch money 25% want to sell the bumpkins arms and 5% take ww2 mythology seriously. There fixed it.

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  161. Wokechoke says:
    @Beckow

    she looks like a witch.

  162. songbird says:

    IMO, Lithuania should try to will itself to superpower status by doing everything in its power to piss off Russia, China, the US, and even India.

    [MORE]

    One thing I’d like to see them do is dedicate one percent of their GDP to making a series of films inspired by Red Dawn, where they fight off an invasion by each nation, in turn, not sparing any offensive insults or stereotypes in their depictions of their enemies.

    I imagine vodka stills carried on the back of every Russian tank. The US officers all being trannies, with half of them being played by Nigerians, trying to make all the kids into trannies. The Chinese paratroopers immediately lassoing people’s cats and dogs. And the Indian paratroopers immediately dropping trow in the middle of their most famous street.

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  163. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    And what “ww2 mythology” is that?

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  164. @songbird

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  165. Captured Russian Weapons Are Packed With U.S. Microchips

    Russians cannot produce anything themselves, China is likely in a similar position.

  166. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer

    If you believe Jews are “pro-Kiev”, why is Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel) blocking weapons? Mere humanitarian aide provide limited assistance for Ukie aggression.

    The European WEF, and their puppet Biden, are sending weapons. Should this not be a minimum standard?

    PEACE 😇

     

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  167. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy.

    there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    Italy’s sovereign currency is the Euro € , and Germany will not print. That makes the concept much more resilient, until Germany returns to the DM.

    It is a forerunner to ending the Euro. Part of a a wrap-up is undoing the wealth extraction that shows up in TARGET2. That top blue line show how much value need to be returned to periphery nations as part of a just end to the EZ.

     

     

    PS I’ll need to have a look at your website. You’ve presented a lot of interesting ideas.

    The Conservative Treehouse, is not actually my website.

    However, it is a daily read. I am using the website feature here to promote it.

    PEACE 😇

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  168. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Wow, some “mininum” improvement in your thinking, “minimum standards” of weaponry provided to Ukraine by the US and Europe. Why not provide enough to really even out the battleground?

  169. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    Demjanjuk is why 5% of Israelis support Russia? Kind of an expansive sort of fantasy world that you inhabit? 🙂

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  170. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Not specifically this guy. But he’s an example of why a handful of Jews might dislike Ukraine to this day.

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  171. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer

    Are looking for an appointment from the anti-Semitic Biden administration?

    You resemble his nominee: (1)

    The Biden administration’s nominee to serve as the U.S. ambassador to Brazil spoke at length about the influence of Jewish money in politics, claiming the “Jewish lobby” exerts undue influence over the Democratic Party with its “major money.”

    Bagley opened up about the “Jewish lobby” and its impact on Democratic Party politics in the 1998 interview. She was asked about “the Israeli influence” on the Clinton administration, where Bagley served as the ambassador to Portugal.

    “There is always the influence of the Jewish lobby because there is major money involved,” Bagley said. “But, I don’t remember any major issues coming out on that, besides the usual ‘make Jerusalem the capital of Israel,’ which is always an issue in the campaign.”

    Democrats, she said, “always tend to go with the Jewish constituency on Israel and say stupid things, like moving the capital to Jerusalem always comes up. Things that we shouldn’t even touch.”

    You sound like the very model of a modern SJW/BLM Democrat.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/the-jewish-factor-its-money-biden-ambassador-pick-under-fire-for-anti-semitic-tirade/

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  172. Sean says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Italy’s debts are the ‘assets’ propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.

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  173. songbird says:
    @Callsign Pidor

    Interesting. I take it that’s a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.

    Honestly feels pretty weird to hear language like that used to describe America now. I remember seeing advertisements on TV that said “Yo soy el army”, and that was maybe 12 years ago.

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  174. songbird says:

    Is it my imagination, or are they slicing bacon even more thinly now?

    Packages have shrunk by 30 percent, but I feel like they are using more surface area to soak up more water, so you get even less than what you would suppose by doing the math.

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  175. S says:
    @LondonBob

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end ‘Chocolate City’…

    For any who might not be familiar, below is a link on ‘Chocolate City’. The comments are almost as good as the article. A few (purported) Chinese have the temerity to comment that, seeing the destruction mass migration has done elsewhere, they’d rather not see the genocide and cultural destruction of China that would surely result with mass immigration into China, and are against it.

    An apparent British person (a presumed ‘anti-racist’) calls the Chinese commenters ‘Chinky’, ‘dirty’, and ‘damnable’, and tells them to ‘get out when they don’t immediately cowtow to her.

    So much for the ideology of peace, love, and goodwill, that ‘multi-culturalism’ is supposed to be….not! 🙂

    https://www.asiabyafrica.com/point-a-to-a/little-africa-guangzhou-china

    …where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

    Colonists and settlers, who thought they’d be there forever, along with their indigenous collaborators, enablers, and hangers on, have been dealt with before. Should it come to that, they will no doubt blame others for their calamity, though they only have to look in the mirror for the source of their misfortune.

    It certainly was not anything close to a majority of The People who invited these persons in:

  176. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one. You’ll find 5% that will support just about anything these days. Look, even our smug American MAGA patriot kremlinstoogeA123 supports the Russian side. 🙂

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  177. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    I wouldn’t know. I pick up the large economy lot at Winco, supposedly odds an ends for \$8.36 for 2.10 lbs, “hickory smoked”, no less. Just had a plateful with eggs and those long strips went down pretty good with some hash browns, washed down with coffee too. Does this seems like a good price in your neck of the woods?

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  178. Wielgus says:
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think the British basing plans at Berdyansk and Ochakov (the latter once an important base for Ottoman Turkey) are very much on hold now…

    • Replies: @Beckow
  179. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Yes, that would be considered a pretty good price.

    [MORE]

    Never heard of WinCo, but the closest analogue here would possibly be Market Basket.

    The store has a weird sentimental value for me because when I was a boy, we’d always stop at one when we went on vacation.

    A few years ago, there was a big fight over control of the company between the surviving heirs. While it was going on, there were picketers and the stores were totally deserted and they were selling loafs of bread for \$0.25. (I didn’t buy anything, I just went in to look around.)

    The “good guy” who wanted to continue their economic model which was the best in the area for consumers and employees won, but in doing so, I think the company had to take on a lot more debt, which increased prices. And that was before inflation.

  180. S says:
    @songbird

    Interesting. I take it that’s a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.

    When I saw ‘Saxons’ there I at first thought it was going to be a reference to the Northern Crusades.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

    • Replies: @songbird
  181. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean

    Italy’s debts are the ‘assets’ propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.

    That is the beauty of monetization. By printing unlimited €, the French banks will receive 100% on their Italian debt. Also Greek debt, Also also, Cyprus debt. Possibly some Spanish band Portuguese debt as well.

    Everyone gets ‘Paid in Full’

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sean
  182. Nature Index 2022* dropped last week. This is probably the best measurement we have of elite science production (only natural sciences, no fluff).

    Unrelenting Chinese convergence.

    As I’ve noted before, German academic Gunnar Heinsohn has calculated the share of elite performers in PISA math section as a foundation for scientific capability.

    Mathematics is the Queen of the sciences, after all. China has an enormous advantage even if you take a very conservative view and discount their official sky-high scores to something closer resembling Japan, which is the weakest of the East Asian countries.

    China’s problem isn’t having sufficient brainpower. It always had that. It’s self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?

    [MORE]

    2022 stands for release year, but the actual data is always lagged by one year, for obvious reasons.

  183. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Finally you here , excellent comment .

  184. Anatoly Karlin needs to go to the new Tasty and That’s It (Daily Mail translation) and get pictures. Surely he looks more photogenic these days than this fellow.

    • Replies: @songbird
  185. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one.

    That may be true, but you didn’t read the survey carefully: it asked “should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?

    Half the population said “no”. Given that Izrael is relatively neutral w no sanctions, all you can conclude is that among the minority that wants to get more involved more people side w Ukraine than w Russia. But it is still a minority.

    Given the Western propaganda war against Russia, being neutral is a soft rejection of the Western position. The 50% who support a neutral position are quite significant. Or maybe they know how this will end and Jews in general have a good sense to be on the winning side. A bad omen for Kiev.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Wokechoke
  186. Beckow says:
    @Wielgus

    bases…on hold now…

    Exactly. People argue about endless operational minutia but overlook the elephant in the room: when Russia destroyed the new Nato naval bases in Ochakov and Berdyansk everything changed. On that day the plans to expand Nato to Ukraine were over. It made the neo-cons very angry – as did losing Crimea in 2014. Angry neo-cons want to hurt people, they throw raging temper-tantrums as many times before. The leopard never changes his spots. Angry enemy is a weak enemy.

    Russia destroying the budding Nato bases with no Nato response was it – Russia achieved its stated goals. We are in a clean-up phase. The Western anger will burn itself out and there will be no Nato in Ukraine.

  187. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    I don’t know where you got your quotation from, but within the article it does not state “should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?” but rather, ” When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war”. Also, the answer that indicates “47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance,” does not indicate that this is the viewpoint of all Israelis polled, but may indicate that this is only the position of the government and not of the population it represents. They’re often not one and the same. 🙂

    You’d be correct if the statement unequivocally stated “Israel should take a balanced position” not “has taken”. The Israeli government, may have taken such a stance but it may not represent the opinion of 47%.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @Beckow
  188. TheJester says:
    @Wokechoke

    “Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.”

    Then Putin realized that NATO and the EU are one and the same. Both are complementary parts of the same “hive mind” of technocrats who are equally susceptible to bribery and threats from the United States.

    The new Russian policy:

    “The Russian “special military operation” will continue until there is nothing left for NATO to defend or for the EU to acquire. Yes, this will take a long time since Russia is not “conquering” Ukraine. It is slowly absorbing it into the Russian Federation which requires Russia to maintain as much goodwill as possible with the current population of Ukraine … especially the suppressed Russian demographic.”

    This means that Russia will “eat” Ukrainian oblasts one at a time until there is nothing left of the country except the parts that constituted Polish eastern Galicia centered on Lviv that were awarded to Stalin in the 1939 German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact. This territory is historically Polish and would constitute a demographic existentially hostile to Russia and everything Russian. Let Poland and the EU deal with the NeoNazi “Banberites”!

    As part of the Russian systematic disassembly of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact and the dismemberment of contemporary Ukraine, expect Moldova (Bessarabia) and Northern Bolkavina to return to Romania, northern stretches of Ukraine to Belorussia, and parts of Transcarpathia to Hungary and Rumania.

    What gives credence to this scenario is that, according to one source, when present-day “Ukrainians” are given the opportunity to fill out Ukrainian government forms in Russian, 70% of the population exercise this option. Russia is perhaps betting victory in the Russian-Ukrainian War on this sentiment.

    As some Russian pundits describe it, the new territorial arrangements constitute a belated conclusion to WWII … or as others describe it, the final chapter of the war that started in 1914 that may go down in history as the second “Hundred Years’ War” in Europe.

  189. Wokechoke says:
    @Beckow

    Ukies streaming away from Lysychansk getting slaughtered in the road like Falaise gap 1944.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  190. @Mr. Hack

    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility and it will come back to bite them. It’s not even good realpolitick: once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile

    • Replies: @A123
  191. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …asked how they view Israel’s position on the war…the answer that indicates 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance

    Israel’s position is the government’s position – there is no other way to interpret it.

    There is no indication that the 47% who say “it is balanced”, oppose the balanced approach. If they do, why would you assume they would be all more pro-Ukie? Given the sensitivity and reluctance to answer honestly, some could be pro-Russian.

    In any case, the majority view in Israel seems to be to stay neutral. As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.

    Israel is closer to the global majority: 75-80% of people around the world do not share the Western official viewpoint. This is a big problem for Kiev, it means Russia can comfortably ride it out. What is worse for the West is that if Russia successfully defies it, the defiance will spread. It is an end of an era. As I keep on pointing out the only way West can avoid it is by “winning”. So even if they lose, they will try to cover it up with endless PR. That is quite tiresome and will make it worse, they will look like whinging losers.

    The fact that Israel is de facto neutral is significant – and also India, Mexico, most of Africa, Indonesia, Turkey… Russia may be over-stating this ‘end of unipolar world’, but it is being weakened as we speak. If Ukraine loses – as they most likely will – the consequences will be very dire for the West: they doubled-down and escalated, so if they lose it will really hurt.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  192. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    – I was struck by German primitivism when I looked at some statements
    made by Bismarck, and by Hitler before the Battle of Dunkirk. This sort of
    thing was excusable 500 years ago when Northern Europe was still very
    primitive, but not in the 19th or 20th centuries. As I said, Germany (and
    Russia) are very slow learners, unlike Britain or France;

    – An example of the German (and Jewish) ideologization of everything:
    Engels invited Marx to visit an actual factory. Marx, of course, refused.
    He didn’t want to be confused by facts. They say neurotics build castles
    in the air and psychotics move in. Germans are the psychotics because
    Marxism and Nazism have so little connection to reality they are
    essentially psychotic ideologies. Zen Masters sometimes tell their
    disciples that if they want to awaken to reality, they’ll have to stop
    reading books. What books mainly do is to keep you within a conceptual
    prison. But Germans, and to some extent the French apparently enjoy living
    within conceptual prisons.

    At one time I thought the U.S. was protected by its pragmatic philosophy
    from the continental disease of turning everything into an ideology (which they
    dare call philosophy) but with the advent of CRT I’m no longer so sure.
    The patient caught the bacillus and is not doing well. But the cure is simple:
    awaken to reality – it’s the first step to becoming enlightened.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  193. Beckow says:
    @Wokechoke

    Why didn’t Zelko withdraw them when he could?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  194. • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  195. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William

    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility

    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    However, no nation is obligated to fix every problem on the planet. Neutrality, also works as a lesser morality.

    once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

    Why would Russia come for an ally? Or, at least passive supporter? Both nations have a similar foe in Not-The-President Biden? (1)

    Israel doesn’t have to join the West against Russia

    The same western countries demanding that Jerusalem condemn Moscow’s actions in Ukraine are the ones leading policy that goes against Israel’s existential interests.

    Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led a new policy that created a historic understanding with Putin’s Russia. He moved Israel away from the American administration under President Barack Obama, to give Israel freedom to maneuver in the north, read Syria and Lebanon, and in Iran.

    Political savvy saves bloodshed.

    But the more important consideration is that those same “Western” countries demanding that Israel join them in United Nations condemnations of and their alignment against Russia are the ones that have been condemning and diplomatically isolating Israel for years.

    Given the collapse of the current left leaning government coalition, there is a good chance that Netanyahu will return to leadership. He is a valuable ally to both MAGA and Putin, against European SJW Globalism.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile

    Yes. This explains why Ilhan “Bro Banger” Omar is so comfortable in the U.S. Democrat party. Its ‘leadership’ embraced her values.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/323085

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Greasy William
  196. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    There is no indication that the 47% who say “it is balanced”, oppose the balanced approach.

    True, balanced means just that, 50/50. Let’s not both display partisan views then.

    As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.

    I really don’t pay a whole lot of credence to what you’ve pointed out in the past. “neutrality” is neutrality.

    If Ukraine loses – as they most likely will – the consequences will be very dire for the West:

    If this is true, the West will continue to support Ukraine with the weapons that it needs so that Ukraine comes out ahead. Today’s news:

    Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Oleksii Reznikov hailed the arrival of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) sent as military aid to the Eastern European nation from the U.S.—issuing a dire warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s forces attacking his country…We’re going to deepen our support for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in today’s fight, and we’re going to build their enduring strength for tomorrow’s dangers,” U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said in June 15 remarks in Belgium. By working together, we can help Ukraine defend itself from Russia’s cruel assault,” he said.

    Putin and other top Russian leaders have bizarrely justified their invasion of Ukraine by claiming that the country is led by Nazis. In reality, Ukraine’s President Voldymyr Zelensky is Jewish and had family members who died in the Holocaust genocide perpetuated by the German Nazis during World War II. When Zelensky was elected in 2019—with nearly 75 percent of the vote—the prime minister in Kyiv was also Jewish.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-warns-russia-of-massive-missile-strikes-after-u-s-rockets-arrive/ar-AAYN8hE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=7ad214185d5340d2953f94b4b46a81ac

    • Replies: @Beckow
  197. Sean says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Biden says China is ‘not competition for us,’ prompting …https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/05/01
    2 May 2019 — Former vice president Joe Biden on Wednesday dismissed the notion that the United States should be worried about China as a geopolitical …

    Analysis-Biden talks down Russia, spurs allies in bid to back …https://www.reuters.com › article › us-usa-russia-summi…
    16 Jun 2021 — … Upper Volta with nuclear weapons.” Biden was referring to the former French West African colony, which changed its name to Burkina Faso.

    Putin underestimated Ukraine, but Biden underestimates every superpower but America.

  198. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    kremlinstoogeA123 must be getting paid a bonus for this incredible whopper of a lie:

    supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    In kremlinstoogeA123’s bizzaro world, a country that clearly defends itself from a neighbor’s aggression is the aggressor. 🙂

    Somehow, we should try and rescue our once valiant and intelligent commenter kremlinstoogeA123 from the confines of Bizzaro World?

  199. Wokechoke says:
    @Beckow

    It’s like he’s trying to decapitate his own army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket

    When the allies landed in Normandy I think OKW Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Wielgus
  200. @A123

    Why would Russia come for an ally?

    They aren’t allies. Russia is an imperialist, expansionist power and always has been. Imperialist expansionist powers always target the Jews because they subconsciously recognize that the Jews represent Divine sovereignty over Creation.

    Moscow is *directly* to the north, the far north, of Jerusalem. This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.

    • Replies: @A123
  201. Sean says:
    @Anon 2

    Bertrand Russell said the Germans resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they have zero talent for politics

    In his 1967 book, War Crimes in Vietnam, Russell repeatedly described America as a Nazi State. Russell had objected to WW1 on the grounds there was no great principle or human purpose at stake. However during America’s period of nuclear weapon monopoly, he (and John Von Neumann) advocated threatening to use–or actually using– the atomic bomb against the Soviet Union so as to stop the USSR from developing its own Bomb.

    The German elimination of even civil nuclear power (preceded by the viscerally neutral Austria that built a nuclear power station and never used it) was all about making themselves militarily harmless, and getting America to defend them for free. Germany is now cocooned within an alliance of friendly countries for the first time in it history, and guarded at US taxpayers’ expense. Slick!

  202. Sean says:
    @A123

    It matters who stands behind a bank though. The French need the Germans for that. Hence the election of Macron, who was a banker.

    Apr 16, 2018 German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said EU reforms proposed by French President Emmanuel Macron should be addressed before European elections next year, […] France has been pressing Germany and other European countries to stop holding up tough decisions about the euro zone’s banking and capital market regulations. Regarding reforms proposed by Macron, he said Germany wanted to expand the European Stability Mechanism i… there were “hard nuts to crack” with regard to a proposed banking union, including the high level of non-performing loans in some countries. Asked about Macron’s proposal for a European budget and a European finance minister, Scholz said: “These ideas are bringing new momentum into the European project that we need….

    Germans planned to get Britain to pay for it, then came Brexit. Now the French will have to make even more raids on Germany’s wealth.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  203. Beckow says:
    @Wokechoke

    ….Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    The word surrender has become politically unacceptable in a pumped-up PR age. In the past, honor kept people from surrendering, but life was cheap anyway.

    This willful self-massacre in Donbas is not honorable. It is a peculiar form of not-very-smart fools climbing up a tree, up and sideways, on ever smaller and thinner branches. At the end, with no way out, they will have to saw off the last branch they are desperately clinging to. Or somebody will do it for them.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  204. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William

    This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.

    Massive Cope and desperation on your part. The Ukies are obviously losing. You need to face up to that reality.

    Why would Palestinian Jews suicide along with the Ukies? Your futile begging for pointless support is an expression of weakness and immorality.

    There is no reason to believe the The Final Battle is nigh. Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  205. songbird says:
    @S

    Honestly, I had never heard of the Lithuanian-Soviet War before.

    Interestingly, in this case, “Saxons” seems to refer to the core origin of the German volunteers being the state of Saxony, so not necessarily Ben Franklin’s “white Germans.”

    • Agree: S
  206. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Speeches and promises of aid don’t win wars. Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground. You think that will change, I think it is unlikely. It is not only the West that cannot afford to lose (or be seen as losing), Russia for existential reasons also cannot lose. This will be decided by blood and steel – do the math, and check out the geography.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today’s Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    They hate Russians who live among them, they are planning to burn millions of Russian books…how is that not similar to Nazism? They build monuments to Bandera – a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer. This is a serious descend into reviving Nazi thinking. Not all by any means, but society seems to tolerate it. Europe will never accept that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Greasy William
  207. @A123

    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.

    • Replies: @A123
  208. songbird says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Someone needs to do the health write-up of the changes in the Russian fast-food industry.

    I want to know whether the calories, sugar content, and transfats have gone up or down or are weirdly conserved. Throw that stuff into a calorimeter!

  209. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William

    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.

    Really?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?
    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?

    Your desperate Cope, is causing you to misstate a highly irrational & self serving interpretation as “fact”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  210. @Anon 2

    German foolishness:
    – A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).

    This is overstating it I think, since it was the initiative of a country with even smaller industrial capacity. Japan, like Germany doubled down on a second front when it couldn’t finish the first.

    I think few Germans till this day understood what exactly happened– the history was written mostly by the Anglos and Communist Bloc. With the Japanese perspective being most overlooked.

    German advisors helped Chiang Kai-shek defeat the CCP which led to the Long March (1934-5) that ended with Mao controlling only a tiny patch of territory in northwestern China, its poorest part–
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encirclement_campaigns
    Mao was the biggest beneficiary of German invasion of USSR. While the Soviet were distracted, he got the opportunity to launch a proto-Cultural Revolution to purge the pro-Soviet wing of the CCP,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan’an_Rectification_Movement

    Well before the Americans entered the War, in Jan 1941, Mao had broke with the KMT and restarted the Chinese Civil War, while the war with Japan was still on-going.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Fourth_Army_incident

    As they had done elsewhere, Soviet spies significantly infiltrated Japan. Therefore preventing Soviets from having the face a second front, and permitted the survival of the CCP.

    This essay will focus on Dr. Richard Sorge and the members of his Tokyo Spy Ring, arguably one of the most effective groups of the Second World War, second only to Werther and the Red Orchestra.

    https://www.grin.com/document/53224

    In between all this was Chiang Kai-shek, who out of patriotism, astuteness, and foolhardiness, refused to sue for peace with Japan, despite both sharing the common nemesis of CCP. The end result being that by 1949 both he and Japan would be both kicked out of China mainland. Partly also due to his own KMT being subject to Communist infiltration and subversion.

    • Thanks: sudden death
  211. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground.

    Russia is gaining some land in Donbas, but the battler there is not over. I predict that the Ukrainian side will soon start retaing land, like they did in the Kyivan an Kharkiv areas. Kherson will also soon fall. The Ukrainian side has steadily been taking back villages all around Kherson.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today’s Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    Russia actually fits the bill more of a Nazi state than Ukraine. Destroying everything in sight, killing and raping civilians. A dictator running an authoritarian state trying yo reestablish a Russian empire.

    They build monuments to Bandera – a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer.

    Bandera never was a Nazi accomplice. If he was, he’s the only one that I know of that was locked away in a German work camp for the bulk of the war. The OUN/UPA had many documented skirmishes with the Nazi’s in Ukraine. You’re mixing up th OUN/UPA with the SS Galizien, a separate military formation made-up mostly of Galicians under the supervision of the German military. Bandera was not involved with this formation.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  212. @Thulean Friend

    Quite a lot of that “elite scientific production” is AI-related with dubious utility–

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/alexa-to-mimic-voice-of-your-dead-loved-ones/

    (also gig- and shared-based economy like Airbnb and Uber)

    It’s self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?

    The signs are pointing to no. Since the CCP astroturfs its own history to obfuscate that self-sabotage. But its relative share of global economy may reach a new high.

  213. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn’t get it

    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score than the actual Russian population has, and even when this was explained to you more than once you continue making excuses.

    This demonstrates that it wasn’t simply a mistake, but intellectual dishonesty.

    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk

    Fair enough. The problem is that Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Of course, even this correction wouldn’t have been enough to remove a high-IQ bias in your methodology, because your sample was still weighted in favor of more populous, more urban regions which have higher average intelligence than rural ones as measured on tests.

    By playing your dishonest tricks you produced a result of 101.2 for PISDA-derived IQ estimate of the Russian population, when the actual number would be lower (I guessed around 100.5, but could be even lower than that).

    “We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians.”

    ….

    There’s no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There’s a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.

    The blogger, Steven Sailer, did not make it up. You just failed to find it.

    You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    Here are 2015 PISA results by race for the USA:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/index.asp

    The average for science, reading and mathematics for White Americans is 519 (one point higher than it was in 2012).

    All-Russian (not ethnic Russian) average for PISA was 492.

    Here are Russian 2015 PISA results:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-pisa-results-2015/

    Average White American scored the same as average Russian from Kaliningrad in the same year. On the map you posted that would be 102.8.

    Which is higher Sharikov, 102.8 or 101.2 (or 100.5, a likelier figure)?

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.

    First of all, we don’t know. Share that information source.

    Well, YOU posted that. Have you lost track of your lies, Sharikov?

    Here is your post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5400189

    Here are your words: “Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101..”

    in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.

    See above, about how your estimate is false.

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.

    A more realistic analogy: you were caught cheating at checkers, and then you try to hide it by making convoluted arguments involving chess rules.

    BTW here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA:

    It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia and that this number was 97.9. This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.

    [MORE]

    First, the results given in Table 1 show that the British-scaled IQ of the urban Russians averaged from the two city samples weighted by sample size was 101.7 and of the village sample was 91.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.9. This is marginally higher than the IQ for Russia given as 96.6 by Lynn and Vanhanen (2012) on the basis of three studies from European Russia. These results are the first to show that the IQ of Russians is approximately the same in Asiatic Russia as in European Russia.

    Second, the results given in Table 1 show that the IQ of the urban Yakuts averaged from the two samples weighted by sample size was 98.6 and of the village sample was 94.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.0.

    Third, the Russians obtained a slightly higher IQ than the Yakuts in the Yakutsk sample while the Yakuts obtained slightly higher IQs than the Russians in the Viluysk and village samples, but none of these differences was statistically significant. The IQs of the combined samples are estimated as 97.0 (SD 15.1) for the Yakuts (N=738) and 97.9 (SD 16.5) for the ethnic Russians (N=120). This difference is trivial and not statistically significant (t=.56). Therefore the IQs of the two samples should be regarded as approximately the same. Weighting these IQs by the percentages of Yakuts and Russians in the province of 49.9 and 37.8, respectively, gives an IQ of 97.4 for the province.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  214. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer

    Here is yet another example of Palestinian Jews holding Zelensky in contempt.

      

    The idea that Jews support the deranged & corrupt Kiev regime is totally, absolutely, 100% absurd.

    PEACE 😇

    https://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/

    • Replies: @AP
  215. @AP

    Hi, chimpanzee.

    Shall we continue?

    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    Thank you sweetheart, for this valuable information. You are very helpful. And very cute.

    Now listen to me.

    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale. The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years and has become a standard for measuring intelligence, because no other test does it better. WAIS is the most widespread IQ test in the world.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn’t mean that these results correlate and can be compared. One is a serious and comprehensive examination for adult people, the other is a childish game.

    As for the PISA test it’s more or less acceptable as a comparison and there is a correlation between the two however it’s not the same either – it was designed for school students, and contains mathematics, science and reading, but no logic and reasoning, though some questions require logical thinking.

    This test isn’t bad as long as a person remembers what he has been taught. A lot of people of course begin to forget most of that soon enough after finishing the school, so if we are talking about 8-grade children we can use it, but it isn’t as useful when we are talking about adult people, as the WAIS test.

    You should take this test, because you need to get grounded. Your self-importance is comical.

    Take the test.

    [MORE]

    If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5. You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    No we can and should disregard it, because it shouldn’t be that much lower, considering that 103.2 was obtained from a sample of children in a provincial town.

    The quotation didn’t feature information, explaining where the 96.5 score comes from. Perhaps a bunch of villages.

    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    Yes, if the average is not the children of professionals in an urban environment as well, which it is – in Russia, 75 percent of population lives in an urban environment. The population of rural areas is about 35 million, the population of big cities is about the same.

    High scoring Russians from the big cities compensate for the low scores of the peasants.

    Russia ranks fourth in the world for the number of cities with populations over a million people. There are fifteen such cities, with the sum total of population about 33.5 million people, and more than a half of them live in Moscow and St Petersburg.

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what’s the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there’s no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it’s not 101.2, it’s 101.12, a digit didn’t click – mechanical error.

    Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    And it doesn’t mean anything.

    Chuvash and Tatar people are Turkic, Udmurt and Mari people are Finnic. Chuvash and Tatar people are less homogeneous, Udmurt and Mari are more homogeneous.

    56 percent of Udmurt people belong to haplogroup N3 and 28 to N2, 50 percent of Mari belong to N3 and 30 percent of Chuvash and Tatar people belong to some other subclades – it doesn’t really mean anything.

    The fact is, Turkic and Finnic peoples don’t mix.

    Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So what’s the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.

    Dumbass.

    • Replies: @AP
  216. A123 says: • Website
    @AP

    Most Israelis have a negative view of Russia and like Biden more than Putin or any other world leader:

    Two huge problems with your ludicrous attempt at misdirection.

    -1- How many of these Israelis are observant Jews? Due to well known mistakes by prior far-left Israeli governments, there is a significant count of non-Jewish Israelis. Plus, some portion of the theoretically Jewish population is actually non-Jewish secular.

    -2- There is a huge difference between military support for Ukraine (my point), and your attempt at trickery by presenting generic numbers about Russia & Putin.

    It is self evident that you have nothing on point, which is why you are engaged in such feeble and obvious disinformation. Your refusal to present information on views about Zelensky is unequivocal evidence of malfeasance.
    ___

    Here is some advice you should take to heart:
        • Stop smoking the Copium.
        • Deal with the reality that your Ukies are losing.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  217. Lurker says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Looking at the Anglo world there seems a near endless supply of self-sabotage in the Current Year.

  218. It looks like Kremlins finally leaked their “peace” plan draft through their paid higher level propagandists in US:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/proposed-peace-plan-end-russo-ukrainian-war-203009

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
  219. @Beckow

    German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others.

    This is false, the main goal of Nazism was always to destroy the Jews, regardless of geography, because International Jewry was seen as blocking German expansion and potentially even threatening the very existence of Germany itself. The people in eastern Europe were never regarded and inherently being a strategic threat; they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Beckow
  220. @A123

    Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?

    No, but Magog obviously is a reference to Russia

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?

    um,.. yes?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?

    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future because I can’t imagine Turkey and Russia working that closely together right now, but these things can change and they can change rapidly: Turkey eventually leaving the Western orbit for a closer relationship with Russia is already clearly in the cards.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @S
  221. Wokechoke says:
    @Greasy William

    There are two interesting aspects to German National Socialism.

    1) Strip German Jews of citizenship. Expel them.
    2) Strike East and exterminate the Slavs and level their cities into fields. Moscow and St Petersburg? Make em vanish.

    The British and French inexplicably took issue with these two agenda points and declared war on the Germans.

    Point 2 may have in fact been the core goal. Jewry was the side issue.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  222. Wokechoke says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Bandera was involved with butchering Poles though. maybe 100,000 of them. Who can blame him really?

    • LOL: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  223. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?

    um,.. yes?

    Sorry. Got on a bit of a roll and did not consider that question carefully. My bad.

    Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future

    This part of your concept presents a plausible confrontation:
        • God and his son Jesus Christ, vs.
        • Satan/Allah/Lucifer and its spawn the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Iran is the most likely leader of Hordes of Hell. However, you are likely correct that Shia-Sunni animosity heads off an immediate assault.

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?

    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies

    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @AP
  224. @sudden death

    Your shithole scumbag loser , alcoholic, suicide-addicted, POS-depopulating trashbucket dump of Litva is again on the suicide path with its illegal and idiotic rail blockade of Kaliningrad-mainland connection – but instead of focusing on that – yet another Baltic retard is fulfilling his TsIPSO full-time work.

    Why do us Russians resist car parking regulations about a million times more than Lithuanian scum resisted Tsarist and then Soviet Russian control for 200 years?

    Seriously WTF is it with you Baltic freaks taking over the entire Ukronazi info-operations?

    • LOL: sudden death
    • Replies: @sudden death
  225. @Wokechoke

    You ever read Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze? Best book on Nazi ideology and strategy ever written. Explains the logic behind a lot of German decisions that seem stupid or even insane. There truly was a brutal logic to all Nazi policies.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  226. @A123

    It sounds like you don’t like Islam and Muslims very much

    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God

    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don’t believe in any of that stuff.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @A123
  227. Mr. Hack says:
    @Wokechoke

    Although Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved. The highest officer of this faction that I’ve been able to pinpoint responsible for these actions was Roman Shukhevych. Somewhere between 50 – 100 thousand Poles were liquidated or upwards of 10% of their entire population in these regions. It’s interesting to note that other factions of OUN were against these actions. Also, interesting to note that so hated were the Polish colonizers of these area, that it appears that regular Ukrainian villagers also took part in these brutal uprisings, on their own unprovoked by the OUN(b).

    • Replies: @Beckow
  228. @Gerard1234

    ha ha, didn’t like peace plan that much? Should instead direct your anger at great masterminds who planned and executed immaculate Z(h)operation, lol

    btw, your own mulatto Pushkin even had some poem written where Lithuanian resistance was mentioned, so at least it left more impression in your culture than domestic heroic resistance to car parking regulations 😉

  229. Mr. Hack says:
    @Greasy William

    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don’t believe in any of that stuff.

    He’s already been brainwashed somehow into believing that Russian Orthodoxy sits on higher moral ground in relation to supporting this current war, and that their contraband selling Patriarch is a virtuous leader. His bizarreness here is unlimited. 🙁

  230. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Hi Sharikov, let’s examine more of your lies and ignorance:

    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.

    By they, you mean ignorant Sharikovs such as you.

    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones. Raven’s is the most commonly used of the nonverbal ones. As such, it is the IQ test used most often in international comparative studies, because it’s norms are more universal. The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same, whereas people use the exact same items across countries on the nonverbal Standard Progressive Matrices test.

    The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years

    Standard Progressive Matrices has been used since 1936.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.

    Sharikov is dumb.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test; indeed is has more of such tasks. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn’t mean that these results correlate and can be compared.

    Of course they correlate and can be compared, liar Sharikov. Example:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what’s the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there’s no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it’s not 101.2, it’s 101.12, a digit didn’t click – mechanical error.

    Sharikov keeps ignoring the explanation of his dishonesty. Here is goes, again:

    Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia because the outlier smart Muscovites are double the percentage of your sample than they are of the general Russian population.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    [MORE]

    “Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So what’s the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.

    Sharikov was caught lying so he doubles down.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place. Your house (even if you rent it, or it belongs to your parents), your apartment (even if you don’t own it). “Come to my house for a party.” “I miss my old apartment.” Etc.

    You lied and you got caught in your lie. One shouldn’t lie anywhere, but on Unz it’s easy to search comments and expose liars such as you. Here are your lying words, you subhuman product of Soviet overlords:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5404546

    AP: ““When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.”

    Actual words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya”

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  231. @Sean

    Gold Star to Sean for ferreting out this piece.
    However, this was after the Brexit vote. Although attempts at Banking Union had been initiated from 2012, actual progress has been quite limited.

    As of mid-2020, the Banking union of the European Union mainly consists of two main initiatives, the Single Supervisory Mechanism and Single Resolution Mechanism, which are based upon the EU’s “single rulebook” or common financial regulatory framework.

    Until October 2020, the geographical scope of the Banking Union was identical to that of the euro area. Other non-euro member states of the EU may join the Banking Union under a procedure known as close cooperation. Bulgaria and Croatia initiated requests for close cooperation, respectively in July 2018 and May 2019. Following a formal approval of these requests in June 2020, the European Central Bank started supervising the larger Bulgarian and Croatian banks on 1 October 2020

    So apart from minnows Croatia and Bulgaria, there has been no rush from other non-Euro states. Given the limited progress, it’s obvious Germany and other countries are still blocking full Union.

    Even so, under previous conditions, full Union would have still been very affordable for Germany. In 2019, Germany had the highest trade surplus ( as % of GDP ) ever recorded, \$290 bn – 8.3% of GDP. The previous best was 1916, when America achieved 6.7% of GDP – obviously due to the peculiar conditions of WWI.

    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany’s trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany’s trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.

    This indicates how lucrative the Euro scam has been for Germany – and they threw it all away for Ukraine, the poorest, most corrupt country in Europe. What morons !

    • Replies: @A123
  232. AP says:
    @A123

    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    Russia has closer ties to Iran than with Israel. Generally speaking, Russia is allied with Shia Muslims, USA with Sunni. Israel also favors Sunni.

    Russians generally like Muslims, Russians are one of the most pro-Muslim people in Europe:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/10/PG_10.15.19.europe.values-06-010.png?resize=310,672

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel; Israel is tied with Iran:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2020/09/30/attitudes-toward-countries-4/

    • Agree: Greasy William
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @A123
  233. @AP

    Also, if you know anything about how Russia works, public opinion is very top down. The government tells people what they should and shouldn’t support and the people go along with it.

    • LOL: acementhead
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  234. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    So now you’re accusing AP of being some sort of a public official involved with unlawful activity?

    Your kremlinstooge act is causing you to look at best as bizarre and at worst as unhinged. Get a grip on man before you start chewing on the carpet.

    malfeasance:
    Intentional conduct that is wrongful or unlawful, especially by officials or public employees.

    Here’s an example of real malfeasance. Can you spot the two top culprits? Concentrate real hard, I’m sure that you can do it:

  235. Wielgus says:
    @Wokechoke

    Giving up Donbass is politically unacceptable although militarily wise. Zelensky’s regime rests on shallow foundations.

  236. sher singh says:
    @LondonBob

    Those homogenous European states you cherish are themselves a result of events like the Holocaust.
    So I don’t know why you hold them as some historic inevitability or norm.

    I think there are enough Leftists, race/class traitors in the confines of the European continent to delay such a thing for a long time||

    Just my opinion .2c

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  237. S says:
    @Greasy William

    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel.

    In about 2006 a book was published in Russia entitled The Third Empire: Russia as it Ought to Be. It describes how in a future world war Russia will defeat the United States (and NATO) and obtain for itself a new global empire which is to include Israel.

    The United States has it’s own similar book, The New Rome published in 1853, which describes how it will be the US which is to defeat Russia in a future world war, the US air force being the key to it’s victory. [See link below]

    Regarding The Third Empire:

    …and the Russian Empire, uniting Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, all of Europe and Greenland….The present advisor to president Putin, Alexander Dugin, states on the back-cover of the book: ‘This is Russia that one should kill and die for’.

    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/177-a-map-of-russias-third-empire-2053/

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/40/mode/2up

  238. LondonBob says:
    @Beckow

    Surrender was always the honourable path after a sufficient period resistance had passed.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  239. Wielgus says:
    @LondonBob

    Some cultures however had no real concept of taking prisoners of war. Even in the European feudal age, prisoners were people of knightly or higher rank who might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed – skeletons excavated near the Towton battlefield of 1461 in England show signs of having been killed after capture.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  240. Wielgus says:
    @Greasy William

    Sounds like the British, more or less. And the Germans… Mediterranean peoples kick over the traces a bit more, in my experience.

  241. A123 says: • Website
    @AP

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel

    Russians see the country where they have a military presence as an ally?

    So it ain’t so….

    That is unheard of…. Close allies have military support for each other…. WOWZERS… That is a break thru in understanding of geopolitical behaviour that is unique… You are the first person to ever notice that…

    PEACE 😇

     

  242. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William

    Is it not obvious that the #1 threat to Christianity is SJW Islam.

    When you look at Ilhan Omar & Rashida Tlaib, the key leaders of Muslim politics in America, you see the true enmity of “Woke Muslim” beliefs towards traditional Christian values. Why should these enemies of God be permitted in America?

    This is also true in Europe. Muslim invaders are brought to desecrate Christian lands on ships such as Sea Watch 4.

      

    Notice that the Jihadist vessel bringing invaders is bedecked with the Rainbow and Antifa flags. How much more in obvious can SJW Islam be about their intentions and values. IslamoGloboHomo must be opposed.

    PEACE 😇

  243. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany’s trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany’s trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.

    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail. Economic dislocations will build up due to currency flows, and the only way to avoid unhealthy concentration of wealth is fiscal policy.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited. That Croatia and Bulgaria were willing to sign up to this follow with the intent of joining the full EZ shows what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  244. songbird says:

    The Nonce and Future King of Jamaica would be a good title for Andrew, were it not more appropriate to exile William there.

  245. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved.

    Sweet, well then it’s all right. Did Bandera write a disapproving letter to his faction? You, damn subordinates, why are you murdering the hated colonizers?

    It is interesting – as you helpfully point out – that some other factions were against. I suppose there were a few German Nazis who were not fully on-board with murdering 20 million people in the east. And not murdering, they were in your words: ‘liquidated“. What is that? like too much inventory, so they “liquidated” it?

    Shukhevych is also venerated in Kiev – we usually skip him because of his longer name. And since the Ukie villagers joined in, you may call it a ‘people war’. Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians. Poles know who they are supposed to hate, damn the details. It was the ‘Moskali’, had to be. And Bandera disapproved.

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!

    There you go, and maybe some SS guys also ‘disapproved’. Quietly, of course. But you and your latter-day Nazi-sympathizing column knows that they did. Or is it the kill-the-Russians column? I am not sometimes, you guys move back and forward seemlessly.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  246. Beckow says:
    @Greasy William

    …they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis

    You mean as far as the Germans were concerned? Why the substitution of one guy and his very-popular gang for the German nation that invaded the east and murdered 20 million people?

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but ‘being in the wrong place at wrong time’ takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh…isn’t that kind of always what happens in a ‘genocide’?

    You are skating very close to ‘denying and justifying Nazi genocide‘. I don’t care, I am a free speech purist, but in some countries that is a crime. “Wrong-place, wrong-time, so we murder you“…you are also one very sick greasy puppy.

    • LOL: German_reader
  247. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike.

    I provide a factual analysis of what happened and you go hysterical. My own grandfather was a Pole who lived just slightly east of where the “liquidations” took place. According to the OUN(b) playbook, had I been alive and lived in the area during that era both he and I would have both met the grim reaper’s end, so I’ve not dowplayed anything here. Just pointing out the facts.

    Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians.

    Another gem that you pulled out of your ass?

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!

    Yeah, I “downplayed” it so much that I bring it up with some details too. Don’t know anything at all about the Swedes that were pleasure riding with the Germans around St. Petersburg. Good to see that your ranting and imagination skills are so easily provoked by so little, all of which was accurate and truthful. But I’ll leave you with one serious thought to consider:

    If the Ukrainians were so merciless and vindictive with the Polish colonisers in the West of their country, who surely were not nearly as destructive as the Russian ones destroying Eastern Ukraine (and Central Ukraine too), think of what’s in store for the murderous butchers and vandals sent from Moscow today? The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Mikhail
  248. Beckow says:
    @Wielgus

    …people of higher rank might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed

    A lot of feudal warfare was a search for ransom-able hostages. Some British fortunes can be traced to the French gold paid during the 100-year-War to get back French nobles. There were counter cases: Ottomans often killed the higher ranks and recruited the inferiors as soldiers.

    In ancient Egypt it was the pharaoh (‘man in the big house‘) who sometimes personally dispatched the POW’s as public entertainment.

    Fight-flee-surrender should be a rational decision: Kiev claims to have 600k soldiers and is planning to recruit 250k more. They are facing around 200k Russians – of those 60-100k are Donbas militias. Kiev has 3-1 advantage in numbers, yet they are slowly losing. The large numbers of Ukie POWs and the frequent surrenders suggest that low morale is one of the reasons.

    Maybe enough Ukie soldiers have above 90 IQ and can judge the odds. Surrender is often the most rational decision – it helps the soldier and also Ukraine in the long run. But it pisses off the theatre-oligarchic government in Kiev and their blood-thirsty Western sponsors. They demand sacrifices they are not willing to do themselves. Very democratic. They would be right at home in Europe, if anyone would let them in.

  249. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you

    Greasy William is Jewish.
    You’re really like a broken record, it doesn’t seem to matter at all who your interlocutor is or what he’s actually writing.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  250. @A123

    You say:
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail.

    A currency is an attribute of a State. For it to work, there must be complete politcal, economic and fiscal union. As the units won’t do this, it is bound to fail.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It’s not the countries, it’s the political class. These countries receive massive amounts in EU net subsidies – Poland, for example, gets 20 bn Euros in subsidies a year – but, of course, it isn’t remotely enough to recompense for what Germany and France extract from these countries. However, massive amounts of these subsidies end up greasing the palms of the political class. Obviously, they don’t want this to end, ever.

    what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted. But please enlighten on Khamenei.

  251. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …Just pointing out the facts.

    I gave you credit for that. I pointed out that some of what you wrote – Bandera disapproval, Shushkevich also being venerated by Kiev – didn’t make much sense.

    …Another gem

    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII – not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The ‘also’ could be quietly dropped in the future – we are now dealing with real hatreds. Give it some time and it will be “Moskali had to be behind Volyn massacres‘. Poles already officially blame Russia for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising – it is in their blood.

    We see here on Unz that there are a lot of stupid people and quite a few quiet Nazi-sympathisers. You are not that far with your selective terms that I critisised: ‘liquidate’, ‘hated colonizers’, “disapproval’, “angry villagers”… a bit cagey.

    But, my bad, I will drop your from the “spot the Swedish guy in a Norwegian SS Division” game. You are all right.

    The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Well, somebody will. I wouldn’t threaten others when losing in a war.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  252. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Friendly reminder that Beckow’s country was an ally of Nazi Germany and contributed more soldiers to the German cause than any of the places he listed, such as Norway or Western Ukraine. His county even paid the Nazis to transport and kill their Jews. I don’t think any other country did that, but could be wrong. Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Derer
  253. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Greasy William is Jewish

    Why does it make a difference? Zelko is also Jewish and a bit wobbly currently on the whole ‘Nazi-WWII’ thing.

    The Grease-bag denied the German genocide of Slavs in the east, so I corrected him. Nothing broken about it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  254. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    No real offense intended, but this is as poor a reply as you’ve ever written, to me anyway. I wont really try to take it apart and critique it, well except for:

    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII – not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The ‘also’ could be quietly dropped in the future – we are dealing with some really hatreds now. So give it some time and it could be “Moskali were behind Volyn massacres‘. Poles alredy officially blame the Russians for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising.

    What a bunch of blabbering nonsense. I’ll let you wait for the Poles to believe that the “Moskali were behind the Volyn massacres”. I’ve had my fill right now, although you’ve already floated this idea once now. Trust me, this one needs some reworking before you try using it again. 🙂

    I hope that your backers in St. Petersburg pay you enough to allow you to take a well deserved vacation once in a while. It’s obvious that your batteries are all run down right now (stupid, unsubstantiable statements, many spelling typos, etc.) and you need to take a well deserved vacation to recharge. Who knows, you might get lucky and run into a couple of fat little “chickitas”. For the right money, I hear, they’ll take care of you. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
  255. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    It is irrefutable, proven fact that Khamenei abrogated JCPOA while Obama was still in office. The deal was already dead before Trump was sworn in. This is a religious leader who violated his own religious edict. Hypocrisy!

    Khamenei is willing to abuse his own citizens in multiple ways. (1)

    For the past two weeks in Iran a large number of people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have been protesting in more than 100 cities to vent their anger against a system that they consider to be corrupt, incompetent and oppressive. The movement was triggered by the collapse of a tall building in Abadan, which claimed dozens of lives. For the first time, some protesters there started chanting “Down with Khamenei”, targeting Iran’s “Supreme Guide”. Pictured: The collapsed building in Abadan, on May 23, 2022. (Photo by Tasnim News/AFP via Getty Images)

    In the past decade, Iran has witnessed at least three major nationwide uprisings that shook the regime but led to no major change of direction. In every case, the regime succeeded in reasserting its control with a mixture of bribes and brutality, while taking advantage of the fact that the protests did not produce a coherent opposition leadership at the national level.

    The folly of excessive spending on foreign violence, notably Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria has come home to roost. The Iranian people want change.

    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18585/iran-summer-discontent

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  256. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    imo it’s pretty clear that you and people like you are merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing. It’s propaganda, nothing more, shows you to be morally and intellectually bankrupt. There’s no point trying to even have a debate with you about it, because you’re either arguing in bad faith or unable to even grasp the arguments others are making if they don’t fit your manichaean world view where Russia always and everywhere has to defend herself against “Nazis”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @AnonfromTN
  257. Matra says:
    @Anon 2

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe

    Though you are right, especially about Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately, the existential threat to Europe comes from the USA. If it remains in charge of Europe for another half century everything left from antiquity will be destroyed along with every statue and probably every language of Europe. America, a bastardized partial birth abortion of a country, is the destroyer of every nation it touches. They just can’t leave things alone. If things aren’t done the American way they must be changed. Every European must become a “decolonised” deracinated consumer just like them. Europe’s challenge this century is to remove the American occupier or there won’t be another century of Western civilisation.

    On Germans it’s still hard to believe that they responded to an earthquake and tsunami in a country that gets them regularly by shutting down their own nuclear stations. And now look at the state of them; they’ve got a Greenish government firing up the furnaces (coal) again. For Europe, having Germany at its centre is like sleeping in a house knowing there’s a pyromaniac in the basement.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  258. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing.

    It is part of the context. It was originally introduced by Poland and the Kiev revisionists and by EU with some pronouncements.

    Russia definitely uses it, but so do Europe, Israel, US when it suits them. Germans committed a genocide two generations ago – Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality. Would the West stop using Holocaust, “the wall” or 911 to justify what they do? You are being unrealistic.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started. There is enough being said to support Kiev and to argue their points, but there has been almost no listening to the other side. Dismissing what they say got us to the war – it will only get worse if that continues.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @German_reader
  259. Sean says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted.

    In 2019, by which time 13, 000 had died and well over a million had fled the region including hundreds of thousands to the RF, Zelensky agreed to the deal brokered by France and Germany, whereby the people of the ‘so called’ Donetsk People’s Republic’ could have elections with international observers) without the Russian Federation troops withdrawing. In return Zelensky/ Ukraine would recognize those elections and the special status of the region, but the man Zelensky defeated ex President Petro Poroshenko (orchestrator of the mass demos that brought about the overthrow of duly elected ethic Ukrainian presidents in 2004 and 2014) said Zelensky was agreeing to the “Putin Formula ”. Poroshenko supported the “veterans” who had served in the Donbas conflict who had been demonstrating against the “surrender.” in staged demonstrations outside his office in Kiev.

    It seems quite likely that Zelensky feared doing what he was elected to do and Germany, France Russian and even American diplomats wanted him to do ( , because the thought he was going to get the same treatment as Yanukovych from Poroshenko and his street muscle. Zelensky is currently having Poroshenko charged with treason). This is the trouble when you start overruling the country’s electorate with a activist demos. Anyway, America was mildly favorable to the Steinmeier Formula implementation plan of Minsk per the Organisation of Security and Cooperation in Europe, which Zelensky was elected saying he would go forwards with . Not stopping bur rather amping up the fighting in the Donbas region was a good move for Zelensky’s personal aggrandizement, but not for his country–or anyone else’s.

    While Poroshenko was still Ukrainian President had a law passed requiring the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate to rename itself the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. In early 2019 president Poroshenko secured a decree making Ukraine’s Orthodox Church independent and travelled to Istanbul in person to receive the decree from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Bartholomew I. There was a celebration and rally on Christmas Day. Poroshenko is not a normal politician, he mixes being a billionaire with street intimidation, his strength lies in huge rallies in the capitol city’s main square. He did impose a proper military ethos on the Ukrainian army, inasmuch it was made clear they were expected to die rather than rill over as happened in Crimea in 2014. Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  260. @Peripatetic Commenter

    This is the evidence of one of the crimes of current Kiev regime, defamation of Ukrainian language and culture. Before coup-installed Kiev regime started bombing and shelling Donbass in 2014, many (possibly the majority) of the people in Donbass wanted only autonomy. Russian-speaking people there (a huge majority) were neutral to the Ukrainian language. Donbass, like pretty much all of Russia proper, enjoyed Ukrainian songs, some of which used to be very popular. Because of association with the Kiev regime, now Ukrainian language causes a gag reflex in Russia. It is particularly strong in the parts of former Ukraine liberated from banderites. There is nothing wrong with the Ukrainian language per se, but there is everything wrong with current Kiev regime.

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder. The regime made sure that those criminals were never punished. In addition, habitually drunk Ukie military drivers ran over civilians and their cars with impunity. Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians, murdered and injured more than 500 children. Naturally, what the regime “achieved” is a burning hatred of everything Ukrainian of >90% of the local population. That’s what you see in these videos.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  261. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Your answer said nothing. No thoughts only escapist drivel people do when losing an argument. Or letting it go. Fine, I will let it go too.

    And it is “cholas“, chickita is I think a brand of bananas. They don’t need to be paid: remember, they are cholas:)…

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  262. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately

    Germans are certainly very prone to hysterias of various kinds (e. g. the anti-nuclear scare campaign, the “refugees welcome” mania, the particularly unhinged reaction to Corona), but tbh I wonder who exactly in Europe is supposed to be so much more moderate nowadays. Britain used to have a reputation for good sense and pragmatism (as opposed to all those noxious ideologies percolating on the continent), but that has proven to be completely ineffective in stopping the elevation of antiracism and LBGTQ+ into a new state ideology, enforced with authoritarian means (but also eagerly supported by a large part of the population). As for anon2’s Poles, with all their megalomania and approach to international politics as therapy for their 1940s traumas, if one listened to them and their fantastic ideas (sending NATO “peacekeepers” to Ukraine), we might all already have been incinerated in nuclear fire.
    Also have to laugh at anon2’s characterisation of Germany as an “eternal bully”. If you feel bullied by something as pathetic as the federal republic, whose only raison d’être seems to be providing a settlement area for Arabs and Africans and handing over money to anybody who’s even slightly adept at moral blackmail, you’re simply a total loser, sorry.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Matra
  263. @German_reader

    A great German thinker Hegel said “we learn from history that we do not learn from history”. Ironically, this applies to Germany more than to anyone else. In the twentieth century Germany was in Ukraine twice. The end result for Germany was exactly the same both times. Yet Germany is in Ukraine again. Would you be surprised by the end result?

  264. Beckow says:
    @AP

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.

    Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    I don’t think anyone else did. The payments were for transport and the Germans insisted, you know ‘must have tickets‘. It also shows the total lack of power Slovak gment had at that time.

    I am still waiting for any ‘atrocities’ that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east – they were so useless that they were sent home after 6 months. On the hand, Norway had a bona-fide SS Division (with some Swedes as if that made it better) and did some of the worst atrocities committed outside St. Petersburg. Germans fully trusted them, they never trusted the WWII Slovak gment.

    Thou protest too much. Why? A Norwegian girlfriend? Or are you a secret Nazi?

    • Agree: Mikhail
  265. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality.

    If it makes you happy, I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants (both Russians and their enemies) at all.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started.

    I don’t think that’s true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it’s you who’s extremely one-sided, since you don’t seem to see anything problematic with Russia’s methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Mikhail
  266. Derer says:
    @A123

    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO – epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland’s “fcuk the EU” line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  267. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder.

    Here is the work of your Russian liberators, carpet bombing the Donbas town of Soledar, as they’ve done to many more towns in the area. The people know from what direction the missiles are coming from. Your feeble attempts at misdirection will only impress Beckow, and maybe kremlinstoogeA123.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Sean
  268. @Verymuchalive

    t is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It’s not the countries, it’s the political class.

    Right. The richest people in Italy and Greece and Spain think the arrangement is perfectly fine.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  269. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    I am still waiting for any ‘atrocities’ that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east

    There was a security division which was involved in anti-partisan warfare in northern Ukraine/southern Belarus in 1942/43. I looked up the chapter about Slovakia in the Joining Hitler’s crusade book I mentioned before (p. 128/29). According to that “units of the 102nd Regiment took part in brutal ‘pacification’ actions against Soviet partisans with special battalions destroying several villages suspected of supporting partisans…[their] excesses extended to executing captured partisans and civilian suspects”.
    tbf the book also mention that other Slovak units behaved differently and established somewhat friendly relations with local civilians or concluded armistices with the partisans.
    Your insistence on Norwegian guilt is still bizarre though.

  270. Matra says:
    @German_reader

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people. Here’s Regent Street this month

    The British people are mentally colonised by the US. All common sense seems to have disappeared from Britain. Yesterday I noticed that the most unhinged propagandistic headlines about the war in my You Tube recommendations all came from radio channel of The Times newspaper, which not so long ago was Britain’s sober-minded ‘paper of record’. I wouldn’t be surprised to read of babies being bayoneted at this rate. I was in London earlier this year and I’d say the pro-Ukraine enthusiasm was as intense there as it was in Warsaw. (I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable). Maybe it’s like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can’t publicly express, except in Britain this time.

  271. @Beckow

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but ‘being in the wrong place at wrong time’ takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh…isn’t that kind of always what happens in a ‘genocide’?

    The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat to the German nation. He was very clear about this both in public and private over the course of his entire political career. He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia. A true case of “nothing personal, just business”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  272. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people.

    Maybe, but what is a people which lost two huge wars (and a large chunk of its territory), had only limited sovereignty in its western half/was a Soviet satellite in its eastern half until 1990, and whose crimes are the negative foundation myth of the modern West, meant never to fade away with the passing of time?
    It’s pretty frustrating when you live in a country run by insane left-wing ideologues (and their “conservative” accomplices)…where the reaction to some Somali stabbing random pedestrians to death is literally “I cry not just for the victims, but also because of the increase in prejudice against refugees” (CDU mayor)…and then you see some screeching Eastern Euro mentally stuck in 1939, or some Italian who wants Eurobonds, or someone else with some other grievance who starts his “Ah, Germans! Still Nazis, still trying to dominate Europe” routine…just lol at this point.

    Maybe it’s like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can’t publicly express, except in Britain this time.

    I’m not sure I find that explanation convincing, the most fervent pro-Ukraine enthusiasts in Western countries seem to be shitlibs who outright despise any national sentiment in their own countries. In this sense it’s different from the pro-Israel sentiment common among many Western right-wingers, which allows them to voice opinions about Muslims they can’t say openly in the domestic sphere.
    But I agree that something very strange is going on with a lot of the pro-Ukraine stuff.

  273. @Matra

    I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable

    Something about Zelensky kinda gives me the creeps. And it isn’t just from the bizarre, manufactured personality cult around him

  274. Derer says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The Ukraine is run by US embassy in Kiev and that is more than 6 people. BTW US embassy in Moscow is 1000 people strong, half of that is CIA. I am not sure if they left.

    • Replies: @216
  275. @Mr. Hack

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    , @Mikhail
  276. Derer says:
    @AP

    You are ignorantly assuming that Slovakia was an independent country during the WWII. Study the famous Munich Agreement and Hitler’s criminal dissolution of Czechoslovakia. Sudeten Germans were not treated differently than Italian in Canada or Japanese in the USA during the war.

    • Replies: @AP
  277. Sean says:
    @Mr. Hack

    They elected Viktor Yanukovych, and got Victor Poroshenko. Then they elected Zelensky and, by 2021 Ukraine was being ran with Poroshenko’s policies. That meant Russia was officially governed by Vladimir Putin but began enacting the ideas of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, whereby Russian men were needed in Ukraine because all the women there are nymphomaniacs. Ukraine got the Russia they created.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  278. AP says:
    @Derer

    Slovakia gained independence when Czechoslovakia was eliminated, and allied with Nazi Germany. The Slovak Hlinka Guard (numbering around 100,000) were taught at an SS training camp, Slovakia sent 45,000 troops into the war against the USSR. Slovakia eagerly participated in the Final Solution, even paying the Germans to transport its Jews to their deaths. Slovak troops even managed to commit some war crimes in poor Belarus (h/t German Reader).

    One strange Slovak here likes to pretend that somehow Western European countries were comparable to Slovakia when it came to alliance with Germany; they were not.

    • Replies: @Derer
  279. Derer says:
    @Anon 2

    he two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide.

    You sound like this is a coordinated suicide. No. It happened because one of them succumbed to the evil apple offered to them from a snake west of them. Suicide is final and irreversible, fortunately this struggle is not.

  280. Beckow says:
    @Greasy William

    …The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat…He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia

    It is the same thing.

    Until WWII Nazis seriously tried to force migrate the Jews to Madagascar or Palestine and allowed them to leave till 1939 or so. That conflicts with what you say about ‘existential threat’.

    We can’t see into Hitler’s mind, but the distinction you are making was in practise not that significant. They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone. That was what German Nazism was about and you denied the Slavic part. Nazis also saw the English (and Norwegians 🙂 as potential allies and treated them very differently.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  281. Derer says:
    @AP

    Slovaks gained, under duress or fake, independence because they chose lesser evil, being Hitler’s puppet state at reduced size or to disappear to enlarged Nazi Hungary and some to Poland.

    • Replies: @AP
  282. Mr. Hack says:
    @Sean

    You mean that old boy Putler who “began enacting the ideas of Joseph Stalin, don’t you?Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Mikhail
  283. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone.

    That’s at least an over-simplification. There was also an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples. In Danzig-West Prussia and Silesia lots of ethnic Poles were put on Deutsche Volksliste. Even Himmler and Heydrich viewed assimilation of Slavs they considered racially valuable as part of their programme. E. g. in his infamous comments about the future treatment of Poland (no need for anything beyond elementary education) Himmler also mentioned that a minority of Poles deemed loyal and racially suitable should be sent to the Reich for assimilation. iirc there was talk of 50% or even more of Czechs to be assimilated into Germandom.
    Whereas there never was the possibility of Jews being assimilated (even in those cases who actually already were assimilated to a significant extent), who were seen as the irredeemable archantagonists.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  284. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants

    Most inhabitants of that region would agree, including the part about being annoyed by ourselves. Yet as a country, and the West in general, you can’t let go. Maybe the resources, or women, or there is something deeply flawed on your psyche. Maybe even subconscious revenge for WWII.

    Nato intentionally stirred this up and when the sh.t hit the fan absolutely refused to even discuss a compromise. Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes. She is either a certifiable nut or she is not getting enough of that. In either case, the German men have failed. Again.

    problematic with Russia’s methods…and have indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    I object to all war methods – war is a crime, but we need to criticise all sides, including the people who are cheering it on from Washington, London or Berlin. I specifically said that Russia taking over the Black See coast is a big problem for Europe, I just don’t see how that can be prevented now. The primary fault lies with those who couldn’t compromise. There is no way the war would be going on if Merkel-Macron had to balls to force Kiev to accept the Minsk deal – and to tell Washington to mind its own business and fight its wars somewhere else. Instead they puffed-up with slogans, now for the consequences.

    (By the way, thanks for the WWII reference. I will look into it. But it seems very small – it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless. Or so they said after WWII.)

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  285. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples.

    Correct. But it amounts to the same thing: we would be gone. Forced assimilation off some and killing off others is a genocide.

    There was a lot more variety of views and proposed solutions for the Slavs than for the Jews. There was a hierarchy: some were ‘ok, for now‘, some to be assimilated, some to push beyond the Urals, and some to be killed. (Nothing like that was ever even raised about the Norwegians.)

    This was 2 generations ago. We all have elderly relatives who lived through this. To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region – and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims – is in very bad taste. So if there is a blow-back we shouldn’t be surprised.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  286. Coconuts says:
    @Beckow

    And yet, as country, and West in general, you can’t let go.

    Far too many Eastern Europeans are living in the West for this to happen. Substantial numbers have now also become citizens of Western countries, makes it even less likely.

  287. AP says:
    @Derer

    The far right Slovak Peoples Party who allied with Hitler was the most popular party in Slovakia before the war. This wasn’t some marginal group that the Germans forced into power.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  288. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region – and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims – is in very bad taste.

    Lol. You blame Germany for not being accommodating enough towards Russia…and the other half of Eastern Europe comes with their “Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0, Germans and Russians are cooperating again to dominate our region” nonsense. One just can’t win.

    Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes.

    iirc just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn’t drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership. I can’t stand Scholz for various domestic reasons, but regarding Ukraine he’s driven by events, he’s not really in charge of anything. The decisions are made elsewhere.
    Don’t know who the Fräulein is supposed to be…Baerbock, von der Leyen? Sure, they’re all appalling.

    it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless.

    Sure, I can believe they weren’t enthusiastic, and the book I cited also mentions that some units just concluded unofficial armistices with the partisans or sympathized with the local population. But you don’t even have to be especially ideologically committed to commit atrocities in anti-partisan warfare. Sometimes the general circumstances (losing comrades to an unseen enemy using unfair methods like booby traps) can already be enough.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  289. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    When you endlessly meddle you will be blamed by both sides. When did we ever meddle in your affairs? Don’t you see the fundamental difference?

    just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn’t drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership.

    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk. Instead he giggled about the civilians killed by Kiev in Donbas and Nato bombing of Kosovo. But all of that should had been done earlier, for 8 years Merkel helped to stall it. They knew what was going on, they knew about Kiev committed atrocities, they had to know that eventually Russia will act.

    I was refering to the green turtle, Fräulein Baerbock. I don’t think Leyen bikes, she looks more like a horse woman.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  290. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk.

    “Insisted” would have meant applying pressure on Ukraine, like saying “Do it or we’re cutting off funding”. And then Ukraine would have brought up the mirror image of your argument…”You can’t sell us out like that, you owe us, you killed so many of our people in WW2″. And so on. And the Americans would still have pushed on with their military involvement in Ukraine, it’s not like they’ve ever been dissuaded from any of their other projects by German reluctance. Like I said, one just can’t win.
    Anyway, this is all pretty pointless now. Question is how one gets out of this war in an acceptable way. If that’s even possible after all this senseless carnage.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  291. German_reader says:

    Thread about that seminar on “decolonization” of Russia (apparently sponsored by the US government):

    Crazy, this stuff cannot be but repellent even to Russians who have misgivings about the current war.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  292. @German_reader

    I talk to some Russians and the idea has way more currency among anti war Russians than you’d expect

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Beckow
  293. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William

    So they think that breaking up Russia into several statelets is going to lead to anything good for Russians?
    Are they also homosexuals or satanists?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    , @Dmitry
  294. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war. It was a traditional, catholic, nationalist, conservative party. It had social policies to compete with the socialists and was hostile to Hungary, Czechs, atheists and working women.

    In March 1939 they were forced by Germany to declare ‘independence’ or Slovakia would be occupied by Hungary – if you don’t understand how Slovaks feel about Hungary you don’t understand anything. They chose independence. After that the party radicalized and they paid a very high price for it after 1945 – there were literally eliminated from the society – and not by commies, mostly by Prague-based restored Czecho-Slovakia.

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.

    • Replies: @AP
  295. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    If you fund someone you have leverage, Kiev was dependent on EU and Germany. Rational move would be to use it. But you are right, it is water under the bridge now…There is no viable way to get out of the war acceptable to all sides.

    The West is hoping for some kind of a stalemate and that the exhausted Russia will stop. Not likely.

    Russia is getting a once-in-a-generation opportunity to grab what it wants like the Black See coast. Their appetite could grow. That’s why it was so incredibly stupid to goad them into this war. You never do that with a stronger opponent on his doorsteps.

    ….one just can’t win.

    That leaves losing. Kiev, Poland, the West in general will have to get used to it. They had a great thing going and with a stupid over-reach they threw it away. That’s the real story, there is not much else that will be remembered. If we are around to remember.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  296. Beckow says:
    @Greasy William

    I talked to an old lady and she thought that China and Australia should merge and then split into 10 equal parts….she thought it would be cool. Also unexpected.

    Was that the same old lady you talked to?

  297. @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller “Russik” countries. They believe that Russia’s size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Thanks: German_reader
  298. AP says:
    @Beckow

    There is something deeply funny about a guy falsely accusing Norway and other Western countries as being part of a Nazi crusade so desperately trying and failing to whitewash his own country which actually was an ally of Nazi Germany.

    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war

    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Slovak Peoples Party founder and leader Hlinka, 1936:

    “I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany.”

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.

    You must be looking in the mirror.

  299. Wokechoke says:
    @Greasy William

    What’s the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.

    Lenin and Stalin were communists first and foremost. Stalin moreso. Not even a Russian.

    Putin is just a very ordinary Russian.

    • Replies: @S
  300. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    Quisling is one of the bywords for Axis collaborator in the Anglophone world. It’s no accident. He even married a ukie.

    • Replies: @AP
  301. AP says:
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling’s party was so unpopular in Norway that it couldn’t win a single parliamentary seat.

    The Nazi collaborationist Slovak party, in contrast, were the most popular party in the country.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  302. Sean says:
    @Mr. Hack


    Gorbachev is the outlier among Russian leaders. I think Putin is par for the course, and Ukraine got many warnings over the years. The trouble was that Ukraine believed in America which thought it had ‘won the Cold War and defeated the Soviet Union’. But Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative. With Gorbachev in the Kremlin could Ukraine could have gotten away with leaving Russia’s orbit? Maybe. Then again maybe not because Gorbachev did not intend many of the centrifugal consequences of his actions. And his initiatives came in the aftermath of an oil price collapse. Russia under Putin made very clear that Ukraine was going to lose its eastern half were it to enter the orbit of the West, which Ukraine chose to ignore.

    • Replies: @Derer
    , @Mr. Hack
  303. Derer says:
    @AP

    If Hitler would have died in 1939, he would have been hailed as the best German Chancellor. Consequently, in 1936 many (besides Hlinka) praised him for making Germany world power from the WWI destruction and the Versailles unfair punishment. It was all destroyed by his war antics and the victors propaganda. I am not talking about that period, which you are most influenced by.

  304. Derer says:
    @Sean

    Gorbachev was naive fool who greatly damaged Russia by not insisting on NATO dissolution when pulling 300000 army from East Germany and dissolving the Warsaw Pact. I presume you understand the consequences of that decision for the present situation. BTW, Yeltsin was naive fool who allowed the destruction of Serbia. If a Russian leader is slandered by foreign adversaries and enemies, he is the one Russians will support and elect.

  305. LondonBob says:
    @Greasy William

    I read The Deluge, I probably read the wrong book.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
  306. Mr. Hack says:
    @Sean

    Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative.

    I agree. Putler’s gotten hold of some sort of a cleansing agent that does a wonderful job of shielding him from public scrutiny, even amongst some commenters here that should know better, well almost:

  307. @Sean

    Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.

    Yes, of course, he had no intention of actually abiding by it, but neither had Zelensky. Zelensky, a Zionist Jew, was bankrolled by the main Ukrainian Jewish oligarch Kholomoisky after Poroshenko nationalised Kholomoisky’s bank. Kholomoisky also bankrolled the Azov Regiment , which was widely regarded as his own private army.
    Please read Thomas Dalton’s informative article on the subject.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-world-war-three/

    And here’s wee Volodya saying how he wants Ukraine to be a “big Israel”. No surprise who’s playing the part of the Palestinians.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    , @Sean
  308. @A123

    You say:
    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. This man will open the Majlis once or twice a year, but he will largely confine himself to matters spiritual. He will be a titular head of state.

    Iran won’t open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries – anywhere it has, more or less, stable political relations. This is the future – foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @A123
  309. @LondonBob

    If you have any interest in Nazi political philosophy, I would definitely read Wages of Destruction. After reading the book, Hitler’s speeches suddenly made total sense to me whereas before I thought he just sounded like a lunatic. It was Wages that made me see that Nazism genuinely saw itself as a defensive movement to protect Germany from dismemberment as opposed to an aggressive, expansionist and genocidal movement.

    Obvs I’m not endorsing Hitler’s philosophy, but Wages allowed me to understand it.

  310. sher singh says:
    @Verymuchalive

    This is the future – foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    So basically globalism but not just America doing it.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  311. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Establishment Poles use Ukrainians as pawns for the former’s perceptions. In turn, a growing number of Ukrainians might very well see what a fraud the Zelensky starred Kiev regime is.

    Shifting gears a bit, from the GGs (Good Greeks).

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/

  312. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    I don’t think that’s true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it’s you who’s extremely one-sided, since you don’t seem to see anything problematic with Russia’s methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    The stance so far taken by the Kiev regime increases the likelihood for such to happen.

  313. 216 says: • Website

    Now the US Supreme Court has spoken, and abortion is now illegal in half of the country. And by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.

    For five decades, American conservatives toiled through the political process to achieve this victory, in two decades of authoritarian rule such a measure has not been imposed in Russia.

    It is clear that democracy is superior to autocracy. It is Redstanis that want our civilization to live, and all of Europe would be saved (once again by us) if our path was followed.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  314. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Derer

    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO – epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland’s “fcuk the EU” line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.

    The EU has offered the Kiev regime a candidate status that serves as a waiting line for a stated membership which in this instance isn’t likely to happen anytime soon if ever.

  315. 216 says: • Website
    @Greasy William

    Maybe Russia should take its own medicine, and stop trying to further separatism in the US and the EU.

  316. Jazman says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Italian journo screwed Ukies big time he pictured serial number of missile and you can track to exact unit that fired missiles , story disappeared from news within couple days . I was thinking no body lie more then Croats but Ukies are head and shoulder above

  317. 216 says: • Website
    @Derer

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

  318. @Beckow

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.

    AP treats history as a collection of factoids, any of which he can isolate and amplify as needed to “score points.” Presumably, to him this amounts to an “argument.” Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process. It’s almost certain he takes the same attitude to those Ukrainian histories he cites; if he’s even read them, it’s been with an eye to mining them for nuggets he can store away for later reference. The whole things reaches the point of greatest absurdity when he’s engaged in one of his long-running ‘bloodfeud’ debates, in which he relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.” He can then go to bed feeling that Ukrainian honor has been defended.

    Of course, you’re prone to distort history towards your own ends yourself. And the reason you do it appears to be because, essentially, for you it’s always 1410. That’s it. That’s the skeleton key to Beckow’s historical reasoning. It’s not so much, as German_reader said, that Russians are always having to fight off various “nazis,” rather that slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics. Any other historical particularities one might cite are just window dressing aimed at obscuring the underlying dynamic. If one just keep this in mind, one can understand your position on everything. It explains, for instance, why Britain and France were never serious about protecting Czechoslovakia; why the Allies were slow (even reluctant) to go to war with Hitler; and why Norwegian participation on the Nazi side was so much more consequential than Slovak participation.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Beckow
  319. @Verymuchalive

    I agree these are compelling. As theoretical interpretations of the limited data us little guys have of what may only be described factually as secret machinations. I suspect they are so secret that Vladimir Putin himself only has a grasp of 67% of a story that makes complete consistent sense.

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  320. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    So true like the crapola about the Babi Yar monument and Mariupol mosque getting bombed, Denisova’s mass rape claims, Ghost of Kiev, fighting to the death heroes of Snake Island, Kiev regime forces capturing more tanks than it had before the war, while downplaying the Kiev regime use of civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.

  321. songbird says:
    @216

    They should have renamed it something more appropriate, like “Negrolatry Ave.”

  322. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    Ukraine got the Ukraine that the svidos desired, as evidenced by the large number of Ukrainians who left that entity before Feb 24 as well as afterwards.

    Russia is doing comparatively much better:

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  323. Mikhail says: • Website
    @216

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    It’s payback for actions the US government has taken.

  324. @Emil Nikola Richard

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    He is pushing seventy now, and may have other ailments which might have put him at a greater risk from this glorified Flu – because that’s what it is. I know people in their late 60s, early 70s who take the Seasonal Flu vaccine every winter. Maybe Putin does this as well? Maybe his doctor advised him to ?
    I wouldn’t read too much into it.

  325. @Greasy William

    I reply to German Reader, I was going to guess that they are running on similar assumptions as right leaning people in the US in favor of breaking up the country, or in the case of NY, breaking up the state to separate upstate and downstate.

    In the US anyhow the assumption seems to be that policy can more effectively tailored to local conservatism and cultural mores if it is disassociated from an overwhelmingly liberal federal blob. It’s worth noting that some liberals operate under a similar premise. We’ll see if liberal secessionism becomes more vocal now that Roe v. Wade has been struck down, LOL.

    I’m guessing that the Russians that you are talking to are reacting to the countries’ size leading to top down policies which make local interests feel marginalized. This seems plausible at least.

  326. S says:
    @Greasy William

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller “Russik” countries.

    That’s just what the 1853 book, The New Rome, says in a roundabout way. Russia is simply too big to be allowed to succeed. No comment is made by the book’s authors about the United States possibly being too big ‘to manage’, indeed, the United States according to it, is to absorb the entire world. [Note: I am not an advocate for what this mid-19th century book says.]

    ‘Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.’ The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) – pg 109

    Interestingly, shortly before this book’s 1853 publication, the British Foreign Secretary and future Prime Minister Lord Palmerston had launched his ‘New Rome’ campaign from London. According to Tarpley, who can be something of a mixed bag, this future ‘New Rome’ of Palmerston’s was to encompass the entire globe, and not ‘merely’ a quarter of it, as the British Empire had achieved circa 1905.

    [MORE]

    The 1853 New Rome book outlines just how to do that in three succinct steps:

    1) End the false split which has been in place between America and Britain since 1776, so that together the US and UK can form a practically unbeatable united front towards the world.

    2) The US/UK conquer and gain control of Germany, the center of power upon continental Europe. [The book’s two authors acknowledge that in so doing the US/UK will assuredly unleash a ‘world’s war’ upon the Earth.]

    3) Smash Russia [The US air force, according to this book, is to be the key to America’s victory here.]

    Did I mention that Theodore Poesche, one of the New Rome book’s two authors, having fled the failed 1848 revolution in Germany had resided in London during 1850, the very same time and place from whence Palmerston would purportedly launch his ‘New Rome’ campaign?

    From Tarpley’s article linked below. He makes no mention of the 1853 New Rome book. If he is like most people, he has no awareness it exist.

    A NEW ROMAN EMPIRE

    ‘It is 1850. Lord Palmerston is engaged in a campaign to make London the undisputed center of a new, worldwide Roman Empire. He is attempting to conquer the world in the way that the British have already conquered India, reducing every other nation to the role of a puppet, client, and fall-guy for British imperial policy. Lord Palmerston’s campaign is not a secret. He has declared it here in the Houses of Parliament, saying that wherever in the world a British subject goes, he can flaunt the laws, secure that the British fleet will support him. “Civis Romanus sum, every Briton is a citizen of this new Rome,” thundered Lord Palmerston, and with that, the universal empire was proclaimed.’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/lord-palmerstons-multicultural-human-zoo/

  327. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    The tempo and the reasons for the post Feb 24 exodus were all the result of people fleeing the Russian carnage in Ukraine. The increased numbers of Russians that have left Russia after that period are also due to the same reasons, except these young Russians just don’t want to live in a Putler infested authoritarian state.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  328. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43.

    This is what the survivors of Russian occupation in areas outside Kiev say.

    Kharkiv has been destroyed more by the Russians than it had been destroyed by the Germans.

    Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians

    A well-known fake number, you get your information form propaganda.

    Here is the UN report:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    It is over 13,000 total deaths, including military.

    About 10,000 of thos killd were soldiers. Over 3,000 were civlians.

    From the UN report:

    During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021, OHCHR recorded a
    total of 3,106 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,852 men, 1,072 women, 102 boys, 50 girls, and 30 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 deaths on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,404

    ::::::::::::::

    So about 3,200 civilians (not including the ones on the Malaysian plane) were killed in Donbas, not 13,000.

    Furthermore, almost all of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021, only 25 civilians were killed. Of those, only 7 were killed during hostilities. The largest number were killed by mines.

    A typical mid-size Russian city has more homicides every year, than the number of civilians killed by military actions in Donbas in 2021. How many people in Donbas were killed by this invasion, in comparison to the 25 killed in 2021? Putin is doing what Ukrainian nationalists never did – mass kill and clear out the Donbas.

    ::::::::::::

    When America invaded Iraq it used as an excuse the gassing of Kurds by Saddam – which happened years before the American invasion. Similarly, the the thousands civilians killed in Donbas occurred years before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    (of course the gassing of Kurds and the killed civilians in Donbas war are not the same, much of the latter involved collateral damage from fighting)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  329. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Numerous Ukrainians left Ukraine (to Russia and the West) before February 24 – something that would’ve been evident without the Russian military action, albeit to a smaller number.

  330. @sher singh

    You misunderstand.

    Before GATT ( General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade ) 1947, sovereign states regulated foreign trade by tariff, quota and bilateral and other trade agreements. GATT ushered in Globalism. Signatory countries agreed to phase out tariffs and quotas and ensure free trade between member states. The number of GATT members grew and by the 1980s, when tariffs and quotas had been phased out, it incuded the vast majority of non-Communist states.

    In 1995, the World Trade Organisation superceded GATT, and, by today, nearly all states in the world – China and India included – are members. The essence of Globalism is free trade between all states. The problem with Globalism is that there is no such thimg as free trade. Those states that do not practice free trade benefit most, those that do, not at all. This was apparent even in the 1970s under GATT. Germany and Japan benefitted and America and the UK not.

    Even those states that have benefitted – eg Japan and Germany – have not seen widespread benefits flowing through the economy for many years. Japan has had low growth for the last 30 years. In Germany, manufacturing has benefitted, others little.

    This will soon all be historical. The Ukraine conflict is killing free trade and globalism. We are going back to a pre-GATT world.

    • Agree: A123
  331. Mikhail says: • Website

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  332. Mikhail says: • Website

    The next step for Jesse is to formally acknowledge that the US mass media en masse (much of Fox News included) has downplayed the corrupt, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced aspects of the Kiev regime, in conjunction with the legitimate concerns of Russia and pro-Russian people on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR.

  333. AP says:
    @silviosilver

    Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process.

    Examples?

    In terms of the discussion with Beckow, he frames it (incorrectly) as a Western crusade against Russia when in reality it is a replay of World War I, Mitteleuropa trying to achieve supremacy in the world, first by defeating the West (and its client-outpost, Poland) and then by attacking the Soviets. This is the historical process. Therefore, Norway, France, etc. were not partners of Germany but occupied enemies, while Beckow’s Slovakia was a German partner.

    The history of Ukraine in the last centuries has been the struggle to undo the treason of Bohdan Khmelnytsky and its negative consequences for Ukraine and Eastern-Central Europe. This is the context or historical process of events there.

    relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy

    Getting facts completely wrong, like claiming 13k dead civilians rather than 3k dead civilians in Donbas, or claiming greater participation of Norway than of Slovakia on the German side during World War II, is not mere “irrelevancies.”

  334. Mr. Hack says:

    I’ve been reviewing a lot of political cartoons lately. Here are a couple of real good ones that seem to be indicating that China stands to be the big winner in the Russia/Ukraine war.

  335. @216

    The most funny thing about all this abortion matter in USA – black women have the largest abortion share (nearly 40%) and highest (by far) abortion rate. So in fact abortion ban ensures that low income black population will be growing in USA and there will be certainly more fatherless black criminals roaming around likely reaching near Brazil levels. Nice own goal by clueless conservatives as usual:

    Women of color have the most abortions.

    Among the 30 areas that reported race by ethnicity data for 2019, non-Hispanic White women and non-Hispanic Black women accounted for the largest percentages of all abortions (33.4% and 38.4%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (21.0% and 7.2%, respectively)

    Non-Hispanic White women had the lowest abortion rate (6.6 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (117 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic Black women had the highest abortion rate (23.8 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (386 abortions per 1,000 live births).

    https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/the-demographics-of-abortion-in-america/

    • Replies: @216
  336. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire (for Russians) and from the Russians (for at least nonslavic nonrussians). From the Russian nationalism, is not so unsensible, in terms of Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Tuva.

    Nationalist Russians are often even racist against larger nationalities like Tatars, that suffer increasing intermarriage rates. Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation, as the intermarriage rate is unsustainable for them.

    For the nationalist Tatars, it’s really an emergency situation this century, as the Tatar population will dissolve even in the ethnic sense in the next few generation. So it’s more of a dangerous situation for the nationalists among the minority nationalities at the moment.

    A problem is that Russia’s economy is based in resource extraction and a lot of the resources are in the nonslavic land.

    For example, Alrosa (one of the most important employers in Russia, the world’s largest diamond mining corporation), is primarily wealthy from the diamonds of Yakutia.

    If you separate from Yakuts, you would lose the wealth under their feet. This separation would be great for Yakuts, currently they are being asset stripped. They would be able to invest the wealth in their own territory. But it would be very bad for Russia, or at least Moscow, as the sources of income would fall.

    Multiracial empire is intrinsic in the economic structure of the country, when the wealth of Moscow is not from industry, but because resources are flowing through there from across the world’s largest country.

    Also the claim Greasy says about there would be improvement of governance for Russians as a result of this, seems utopian, considering how poorly the leaders of the postsoviet nationalities which are able to be have their own country have been (E.g. Ukraine, Belarus).

    • Agree: sher singh
  337. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William

    Probably wouldn’t hurt if there was some de-centralisation in Russia instead of everything being managed top-down, but breaking up the country into several states would go way too far imo, probably also lead to a lot of bloodshed if it’s done under the banner of anti-Russian “decolonization”.
    Thanks for your answer though, while I think your interlocutors are naive and misguided, it’s interesting that such people exist.

  338. German_reader says:
    @AP

    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Apparently there were somewhat divergent factions, Hlinka and Tiso were more the sort of traditional Catholic authoritarians, but there was a hardline Slovak fascist and pro-Nazi faction (led by Vojtech Tuka and Alexander Mach), which gained in power under the influence of the alliance with Germany and was instrumental in the deportation of the Jews (when Slovakia wasn’t actually occupied by the Germans, so presumably might have avoided that, like Hungary did until 1944). I agree that Beckow’s fixation on Norway’s alleged guilt is strange given that background.

  339. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    British Prime Minister Johnson fears that Ukraine will be pressured to conclude a peace agreement with Russia, which does not meet its interests…

    He means UK interests not Ukraine ones…

    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine’s citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. 🙁 I wonder why? Must be an example of the West’s superior marketing prowess, it couldn’t possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @Beckow
  340. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire

    to some extent I sympathize with that idea (liked commenter Bashibuzuk’s ideas better than Karlin’s megalomaniacal imperialism), but as you point out apart maybe from the Caucasus it’s probably not viable, because the ethnicities are so entangled with each other, and for economic reasons.
    And in any case these decisions are to be left to the peoples of Russia, without any input from noxious de-colonizers in the US, whose motivation consists not least in dismembering a geopolitical rival.

  341. Beckow says:
    @silviosilver

    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”

    Agree (but I would, wouldn’t I?) I usually give up on him – AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education where eager AP wanted to be better than his surroundings, so he read. He grasps factoids, even thinks and does research – but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP could also be so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds and pretends. He is vengeful, also a mental condition, vengeful people cannot stand losing and abandon any sense of proportion.

    …for you it’s always 1410…slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics

    That’s roughly right. Although for the sake of clarity (and brevity) I overplay it. That perspective is often suppressed in the West and fools like “Greasy William” tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious form of idiocy than AP’s lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    Maybe 1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII (primarily Poles, Belorussians, Russians…) and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all there: read what they themselves said in their books and plans that have been declassified.

    The they suffered a catastrophic defeat in 1945 and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s. Newly weak Germans went along. It will end in a catastrophe, again. They think that using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but that has also been done in the past – at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @216
    , @German_reader
    , @Mr. Hack
  342. 216 says: • Website
    @sudden death

    The rate of abortion in Russia is higher than even the US black rate. The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.

    Additionally, if we can get rid of Griswold we can place a means-tested tax on contraception, which would give us a demographic rebalancing.

    Democracy has done what autocracy cannot. Democracy will do what autocrats cannot.

    America is once again the shining city on a hill that will set a model to emulate.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  343. Beckow says:

    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”

    Agree (but I would, wouldn’t I?) I usually give up on him – AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education: eager AP wanted to be better so he read. He grasps factoids and does research – but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP is so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds to pretend. Vengeful people cannot stand losing and so AP abandons any sense of proportion.

    …for you it’s always 1410…slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics

    That’s roughly right, for the sake of clarity and brevity I overplay it. That perspective is suppressed in the West and fools like “Greasy William” tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious idiocy than AP’s lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s. Newly weak Germans went along. It will again end in a catastrophe. Using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but it has also been done in the past – at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    • Replies: @AP
  344. 216 says: • Website
    @Beckow

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    The need for lustration laws that forbid the glorification of communism are readily apparent.

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Derer
  345. S says:
    @Wokechoke

    What’s the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.

    The aforementioned New Rome book published in 1853 deleves into that. The reader should be aware that the book’s two authors were both German in origin. Naturally, and with reason, people everywhere tend to prefer their own to rule over them.

    Nicholas II of Russia and George V of Britain (right) wearing German military uniforms in Berlin (1913).

    ‘Russia, as an empire, is a German colony; the Varegers, who established their power in Moscow in the tenth century, were Northmen… The Emperor is but a disaffected proconsul of our [German] empire. He fights with our weapons, and under our flag. The present imperial family is even more immediately and exclusively German; St. Petersburg is notoriously a German colony, founded upon German principles. All the Emperor’s children are married to Germans; the State’s Chancellor is a German…The leading officers of the government, civil as well as military, are drawn from the nobility of Livonia, who are of the pure lineage of the Teutonic knights…The Universities of Russia are German…’ The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) – pg 109 – 111

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia

  346. Beckow says:
    @216

    Weak. Even you don’t seem to believe in what you are saying and are just going through the motions.

  347. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. … He will be a titular head of state.

    That is certainly a possibility if Khamenei goes down in the next year or two.

    His health status is not publicly available, but he does not show any Biden like mental deterioration that indicates a near term departure from power. Khamenei could hang on for another decade. The situation in Iran is so tenuous that it is likely to blow up before then.

    The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Iran won’t open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries

    I was not using the term “global” to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.

    Leftoids have glommed economically non-viable concepts on to these systems. For example, green energy and transfer payments for mythical Global Cooling / Warming / Change hysteria. Additionally, the CCP Elites (with MegaCorporation co-conspirators) have rigged “international rules based order“, such as the WTO, to the point where it is unsalvageable.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  348. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.

    Could you elaborate on that?
    I mean, sure, that interpretation of history is not totally without basis in fact. I get that Habsburg rule in the Czech lands was oppressive and that there was a significant ethnic dimension to it, maybe from as far back as the Hussite wars. And of course there was Prussia’s rule over the annexed parts of Poland, which also became more intolerant in areas like language policy in the decades just before 1914.
    But what else do you have in mind when you speak of centuries of Drang nach Osten? It’s something I’ve seen numerous commenters here throw out as if it was self-evident there was an unbroken tradition of German imperialism, but it’s rarely spelled out in more detail.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @sher singh
  349. @German_reader

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  350. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Weak. Even you don’t seem to believe in what you are saying and are just going through the motions.

  351. @Dmitry

  352. @216

    The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.

    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies that barely have relation to real life – fear does not work much in moments of sexual heat, especially for lower income/IQ individuals. Medicated contraception requires constant both mental and financial discipline which is also mostly absent in such demographics too.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @216
  353. Matra says:

    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine’s citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders

    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @S
  354. A123 says: • Website
    @216

    The US embassy’s address in Moscow is now officially “Donetsk People’s Republic Square”

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    ROTFL… Good one….

    If street names were justification for violence there would have already been a civil war in Georgia. No. Not over MLK names. The evil that is Atlanta has named 1/4 of the city’s mileage “Peachtree _____”.

     

     

    I swear… The entire friggen metro area is like this…

    PEACE 😇

  355. @A123

    You say

    I was not using the term “global” to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.

    I’m in complete agreement.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.

    I certainly hope so.

    As for Khamenei, we live in interesting times. The next few years will tell.

  356. German_reader says:
    @Matra

    I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    Probably true in general, but that particular video strikes me as pretty infantile.
    Will probably appeal to people though who liked nonsense like the queen meeting James Bond at the 2012 Olympics. Maybe the next video will feature Paddington bear blowing up Russian tanks.

  357. AP says:
    @Beckow

    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.

    In its destruction and ethnocide of Novgorod and mass murder of Ukrainians and Poles, Moscow has been nearly as harmful towards Slavs as the Germans have been. In your myopia you only see the Germans.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy

    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  358. @sudden death

    Don’t worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.

    https://www.wbfo.org/state/2022-05-11/gov-kathy-hochul-establishes-35m-fund-to-help-people-seeking-abortions-in-new-york

    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies

    I don’t disagree with this sentiment though. Conservatives who have pursued and won a notable victory through the courts have largely punted on creating a viable cultural counterpoint and will find the overturning of Roe meaningless unless they can reestablish a culture which holds marriage and child-rearing to be both honored by the state and the populace and a station which is held with high expectations.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  359. Derer says:
    @Dmitry

    Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation,

    One cannot have a hostile (separatist) nation locked in within Russian federation. West Berlin would not have survived without Soviet tolerance.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  360. @AP

    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.

    Whatever differences we may have, you’re spot on here. Beckow is probably 40, at most. His memories of the period before 1990 are probably very limited at best, Perhaps he wasn’t even born then.
    I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Beckow
  361. Derer says:
    @216

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    The schizophrenic Washington fought ideology in Vietnam (and lost) but embraced and build up communists in China. What destruction are you talking about?

    • Agree: S
  362. @Barbarossa

    Don’t worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.

    …and this noble and useful practice of reducing future criminals numbers will be quickly done as illegal by self owning conservatives wishes, lol

    by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.

    Cited above glorious conservative future description copyrighted by 216 😉 It is perfectly understandable that blackie judge Clarence Thomas is rooting for his own racial expansion, but what the heck are others thinking out there in Supreme Court?

    • Replies: @216
  363. 216 says: • Website
    @sudden death

    The lowest TFR in the US is in Puerto Rico, which isn’t known for being high income or high IQ.

    US abortion rates have already dropped considerably since the 1970s.

    The Obamacare free birth control was almost certainly a leading cause of declining teen births in the 2010s.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  364. 216 says: • Website
    @sudden death

    You will witness the full power of the dark side come 2024. If we can ban abortion, they we can certainly impose an immigration moratorium too.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  365. @AP

    Hi.

    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score.

    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn’t have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It’s 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

    If you continue adding regions the share of minorities will exceed 5 percent. If you omit the most populous regions, such as Moscow the list will be comprised of provincial areas alone. Either way the result will not reflect the reality.

    So – the parameters and conditions were selected, and the list happened to be what it is. That’s a natural selection coming from the Russian census. The fact that it happened to be 20 regions, no more no less, is accidental.

    And after it had been compiled the IQ scores were counted.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There’s no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.

    Here are your words: “Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101.”

    Yes indeed. My memory doesn’t serve me right someties. Thank you for reminding me – this is relevant and on point.

    See above, about how your estimate is false.

    Your argument is false.

    My estimate is as good as it an be. The sampled area covers all of the Russia’s territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn’t depend on the score.

    Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA.

    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That’s a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn’t correlate with the Wechsler test.

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.

    This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia.

    No compadre that was a complete bullshit.

    Some assortment of researches, if you may call it that, from various decades, some are twenty years old, each one is using a different test, scaling up the result to the standard – it’s amazing that this kind of drivel is getting published.

    These are not equal to the real IQ test, and of these no other but PISA has a correlation with the WAIS test scores.

    • Replies: @AP
  366. Mikhail says: • Website

    In Kiev regime controlled Ukraine, there’s greater freedom for instances like the below when compared to those having moderate pro-Russian perspectives:

  367. @216

    Dark power, shade and share in US will certainly increase no doubt about it when immigrating latino streams will be stopped and low income black births will explode thanx to unlimited strategic self ownage of conservative wills 😉

  368. @A123

    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.

    • Replies: @A123
  369. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. 🙁 I wonder why? Must be an example of the West’s superior marketing prowess, it couldn’t possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    Easier to get dumbed down in a totalitarian society that in this instance pertains to the matter of extreme Kiev regime censorship and fudging of certain particulars. Back in 2009 when Ukraine was considerably freer, a Ukrainian poll had Putin as the number one leading political figure, besting anyone in Ukraine as well as elsewhere. Like I said back in early April –

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of some nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict, whose end result could’ve occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction, resulting from Russia’s military action.

    In turn, Putin could be increasingly viewed as someone who for years had tried to reasonably see a peaceful implementation of the 2015 UN approved Minsk Protocol and need for a new European security arrangement.

    For those selectively seeing Putin as a monster, consider Madeleine Albright’s infamous comment on the large-scale Iraqi deaths caused by US military action and how she has been given kudos by the likes of Wesley Clark.

    A number of Kiev regime claims about Russia’s military action have been later proven false. It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  370. A123 says: • Website

    I give Europe a hard time for their WEF Elites exporting SJW dysfunction to America. However, there are Europeans who are very different.

    Red Bull Erzbergrodeo attracts up to 1,800 competitors annually to the historic mining town of Eisenerz in Austria.

    Known as the world’s toughest single-day enduro, 35km of treacherous terrain, including boulder gardens and forestry climbs, awaits the riders, with only the bravest few reaching the finish line.

    Perhaps this is the way to fix Brussels. Instead of easily corrupted elections, use this race.

    — Top finishers from each country become their nation’s MEP’s. —

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    https://www.redbull.com/us-en/live/fim-hard-enduro-world-championship-2022-red-bull-erzbergrodeo-main-race

     

     

  371. Mikhail says: • Website

    • Replies: @AP
  372. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?

    My understanding is that they are fairly common as a residential, backyard tree. However, the agricultural breeds have large fruit that really need to be picked.

    An agricultural tree that drops fruit on soil will attract all sorts of scavengers and insects. Worse yet, the local deer have figured out that peaches are easy calories. Any peach tree near a road is an accident just waiting to happen.

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.

    https://allmanbrothersband.com/discography/eat-a-peach/

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  373. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    How do you poll in a war? You are so simple-minded that I may yet sell you a ‘condo-in-Mariupol‘ on a rocky beach.

    One gets a call in Lvov or Kiev: “Do you like Putin?“…what goes through a person’s mind when they answer?

    BoJo at disappointing 49%. What about the other 51%, why don’t they get on with the program? Are they possibly Irish?

    BoJo’s low rating is a good indication of the overall mood. Think it through.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  374. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn’t have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It’s 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

    Your methodology is well understood, the problem as I have already explained twice is that Moscow is an outlier in terms of PISA-derived IQ with an average of 106.3. Much higher than other Russian regions.

    Muscovites are about 10% of all Russians, but they are 20% of your Russian sample of approximately 50 million. Because your sample includes all Muscovites but only half of other Russians, your sample’s average IQ is skewed upward and therefore overestimates Russian IQ.

    The honest adjustment to make in your calculations would have been to halve the number of Muscovites so they correspond to the percentage of Muscovites among all Russians.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There’s no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.

    You claimed he invented the number – you accused him of lying. When you just didn’t want to find the actual data, that could be found in 2 minutes on google.

    The link I provided also provided a path to the 2012 results. I just used the 2015 results in order to compare to the map you posted.

    The sampled area covers all of the Russia’s territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn’t depend on the score.

    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.

    “Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA.”

    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That’s a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn’t correlate with the Wechsler test.

    You packed quite a few lies into your little statement, Sharikov. Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is an actual IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test (I posted that but you haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it).

    If you don’t believe me, ask the psychologist at Unz, Dr. James Thompson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices

    Raven’s Progressive Matrices (often referred to simply as Raven’s Matrices) or RPM is a non-verbal test typically used to measure general human intelligence and abstract reasoning and is regarded as a non-verbal estimate of fluid intelligence.[1] It is one of the most common tests administered to both groups and individuals ranging from 5-year-olds to the elderly.

    The routine administration of what became the Standard Progressive Matrices to all entrants (conscripts) to many military services throughout the world (including the Soviet Union) continued at least until the present century. It was by bringing together these data that James R. Flynn was able to place the intergenerational increase in scores beyond reasonable doubt.[7] Flynn’s path-breaking publications on IQ gains around the world have led to the phenomenon of the gains being known as the Flynn effect. Among Robert L. Thorndike[8] and other researchers who preceded Flynn in finding evidence of IQ score gains was John Raven,[9] reporting on studies with the RPM.

    The high IQ societies Intertel and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) accept the RAPM as a qualification for admission,[13][14] and so does the International High IQ Society.[15]

    Correlation of Raven’s with Wechsler:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.

    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample with no adjustment and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  375. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    When the East Ukrainians are mass murdered, have their cities bombed out and their population scattered by Russian artillery, I guess Ukrainianization has indeed ended for them. No East Ukraine, no Ukrainianization in East Ukraine.

    Stalin’s famous quote: “When there’s a person, there’s a problem. When there’s no person, there’s no problem.”

    Putin is applying this to the people of East Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  376. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.

    Believe me I’m not. Every member of my family in Ukraine curses the day that Putler was born. Every other Ukrainian that I’ve talked to lately also hates him. Only kremlin stooges like you think highly about him and will try and do all manner of sanitization to whitewash his evil and sinister ways. But you’ll find out soon enough that no amount of “ethnic sanitizer” will be able to cleanse his hands of Ukrainian blood, or of those who support and shill for him, like you. 🙁

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @RadicalCenter
  377. Dmitry says:
    @Derer

    Intermarriage rates means Tatars will disappear as a potential nation this century. From the nationalist perspective it is an emergency situation for numerical reasons, as minorities much more rapidly dissolve by intermarriage.

    But from an imperialist perspective, it is a normal “melting pot”, where the minorities are ethnically absorbed by the majority nationality.

    Already by 1989, the demographic loss of viability for Tatar nationalism becoming evident, and in the last thirty years the absorption was more rapid.

    Jews had been a couple of generations more advanced than Tatars in terms of intermarriage rates, however, Tatars don’t have prestige, diaspora or much religious identity to rescue them (in nationalist sense) from absorption, unlike Jews where it is very fashionable to discover “Jewish roots” by the 2000s, the desire for rediscovery of “Tatar roots” will probably not be so fashionable the second or third generations after intermarriage.

    In 1959, out of all children born to Tatar women, the percentage of children born to mixed couples (we have no data on the number of such marriages) was as low as 8.6%. Twenty years later, in 1979, it was 31.0%, or 3.6 times more. Among the urban Tatar population in 1989 this percentage reached 40.2%.

    At the same time, in 1989, the percentage of children born to mixed couples among all children born to a Jewish mother reached 59.2%, or 2.2 times more than in 1959.

    Data on the offspring of mixed Russian-Tatar and Russian-Jewish couples show a clear preference for Russian ethnic affiliation of children. Even according to the 1994 microcensus, this was the preference on average for 81% of the children of Russian-Tatar couples.

  378. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    The likes of yourself keep downplaying the Kiev regime tactic of using civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.

    • Replies: @AP
  379. AP says:
    @Mikhail

    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It’s not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

    Ironically, most of the inhabitants of those cities have fled and the remaining ones appear to be more likely members of the pro-Russian minority who chose to stay behind and wait for the Russians to take over (Severodonetsk had 100,000 people, about 90,000+ of them fled to more secure Kiev-controlled territory). So the hardcore pro-Russians (5% to 10% of the population there) are the ones getting blown up by the Russian invaders. The Russian military is killing far more pro-Russians in East Ukraine than any Ukrainian nationalist formations ever did.

    It’s funny how pro-Russians objected to the argument that the Donbas deaths of 2014-2021 were human shields but are quick to use that same argument regarding civilian casualties when Russia levels East Ukrainian cities.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  380. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    A French TV report on Lisichansk indicates otherwise, along with other areas liberated or about to be – once again noting the more positive review Russian and Donbass rebel forces received over the Kiev regime’s, from Mariupol’s ethnic Greek population, which fled to Greece and are therefore are clearly free of any pressure from Kiev regime and pro-Russian forces.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  381. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    I saw the Allman Brothers perform once, and listened to them from outside the gates of an outside concert one time (all sold out). I always liked their hard wired, organ infused sound, and they made a big hit in the north country of Minnesota. Lots of good memories of cranking up their music on our Sony tape player, cruising up and down the streets of the Twin Cities in by best friends candy apple red Chrysler barracuda. 🙂

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  382. Dmitry says:
    @S

    aballa aspects of ‘Z’

    Lol, well to go into the conspiracy theory land (let’s say, “for creative fun”).

    The “human sacrifice” killed for the beginning of the “special military operation”, under the symbol of “Z”, starts with poisoning Zhirinovsky and its aim was Zelensky?

    Although with American intervention, they missed Zhirinovsky’s astrological occult “2” for the beginning of the operation, with the “22 2 2022”.

    After they lose the correct date, the stars have not been guiding the operation and everything possible has been going wrong.

    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number “2” and letter “Z”.

    World War Z,

    If you think it was a trap from the American side, where they can make Ukraine seem weak, like the cheese in the mouse trap, where Russia entering Ukraine is the mouse entering the trap? Then after the gullible mouse enter the trap, they begin to give Ukraine more and more modern weapons.

    Now, there is the worst possible scenario for the Russian army, as Ukraine slowly begins to more dangerous weapons, within a framework where these weapons can be used against Russia (for the first time, even though many are designed in the Cold War, they never had an opportunity to be used as the Soviet leadership generally could avoid such traps).

    It’s an elegant conspiracy theory, but somehow the acting performance has been too realistic, for this to be plausible. Even Utu will probably reject this as inconceivably too competent, as overestimates Washington’s intelligence and underestimates Moscow’s stupidity.

    Somehow the worst possible scenario was be attained, but at least for the naïve observers, hubris and the inevitable nemesis, seems the more plausible explanation, than such kind of “multimove checkmate sequences”.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  383. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    Quit trying to inculcate this site with your stupid propaganda. I have Greek blood running through my veins going back several centuries. One of my best friends today is Greek, and is very supportive of Patriarch Bartholomew’s efforts to free the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from the confines of Russian Orthodox oppression. Here’s a quite good article about the true stance of the Greek community in Mariupol:

    In an emotional letter of appeal to the international community and Greeks all over the globe, published on the international media in the second week of March under the title ‘Save us’, Alexandra Protsenko-Pichadzhi, President of the Federation of Greek Communities of Ukraine, describes the humanitarian catastrophe that Mariupol has been experiencing, as the city has been left without water, electricity, or communications. Citing the killing of Greeks by Russian troops and the destruction of Greek villages, Protsenko speaks of ‘genocide’ and calls for help inorganising a “corridor for the evacuation of the Greeks from the settlements surrounded by the enemy and the provision of humanitarian assistance’.

    https://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Areas/Ukraine/Ukraine-Greek-Mariupol-is-no-more-217958

    • LOL: Mikhail
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  384. Beckow says:
    @Verymuchalive

    I judge by results, what do you do? By 1989, Czech-Slovakia had 15 million people (with almost no foreigners), economy was 3 times larger, living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon, higher than southern half of Italy or northern England wastelands. And way higher then in the American South for the average people.

    The “could-be-even-better” argument can be applied to anything. It could be a lot better now in the West, pre-WWII Central Europe, under the Habsburgs, etc… It is meaningless what-if speculation.

    You meandering recollection of the 80’s Hungary is pointless. The difference between life in Prague and Naples or Dublin at that time was also stark: I met Irish and Italians who were shocked and said “we were lied to in the West”. Austria is a golden country, they did well. But they also imported around 1.5 million migrants and will have to live with the consequences forever. We don’t have them yet.

    But have your version, you are an old man why let off illusions? It was khmer-rouge and gulags all the way, “bread lines” and shooting in the streets. Live it up with AP, it is a good self-therapy for AP’s current misery. And you can affirm that your life is not at least partially a lie, because “Hungary was poorer”.

    • LOL: AP, Verymuchalive
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  385. Mikhail says: • Website
    @AP

    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It’s not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

    The Donbass rebels did. Pre-2/24/2022 polling in Donbass indicated a willingness to live in a truly federalized Ukraine – something opposed by the Kiev regime, as the latter built up its military in a threatening position.

    Bill Arkin’s Newsweek article debunks the image of Russia seeking to indiscriminately erase Ukraine:

    https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494

  386. Sean says:
    @Verymuchalive

    No, Kholomoisky was initially influential in the election of Zelensky while he was campaigning as if favouring a settlement with Russia to end the Donbass conflict, but he Kholomoisky fled the country after a fall out with out with Zelensky shortly after he as President got intimidated by Azov and Poroshenko into doing a U-turn on concessions to the separatists to stop the fighting, The Dnipro-1 Regiment were the creatures of Kholomoisky, while Azov has older, more ideologically nationalist roots, less dependent on patrons, and are the politically influential force in their own right that ended Zelensky’s intention to participate in the Normandy Format negotiations to disengage in eastern Ukraine.

    The Normandy format consisted of the presidents of Ukraine and Russia, plus France and Germany. As part of this process which he had restarted on taking office, Zelensky agreed to the ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev. Admittedly some parts Western Ukraine were opposed; nonetheless, the key event was on October 6 when members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber “Stop Capitulation”)demonstration of 10,000 people , especially the more paramilitary aspects seen in the photo above. It was Azov members who Poroshenko said were the ‘veterans’ he supported in protesting Zelensky’s willingness to grant special status to Donbass. Poroshenko is a billionaire and had proven ability to orchestrate mass protest to overthrow an elected Ukrainian president. So Zelensky did a U-turn, and presumable this was when Putin started to think full on war was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Disagree: Verymuchalive
  387. S says:
    @Matra

    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    It’s slick propaganda, alright.

    I’d just rather not see the people of Ukraine experience the same thing the British people’s own ‘greatest generation’ has experienced since 1945…ie the betrayal of their own government. Unless there is some sort of change in the trajectory of events, which I hope for, there is no reason to think the Ukrainians won’t experience this very same shameful treatment by those who govern them that the Brits did. [See Daily Mail article excerpted and linked below on what the vast majority of Britain’s surviving WWII veterans think about the British government.]

    In 1946, using original British veterans and Dutch townspeople present at the fighting, and the ruins still there, the Battle of Arnhem was reenacted in a UK film called Theirs is the Glory. [See You-tube video below]

    From 6:20 – 7:45 in the film we are personally introduced to some of the men who would be fighting in Arnhem. At the film’s end we are told
    those we were introduced to are amongst some of the men who had given their life there.

    Would these men, firm believers in freedom, democracy, and parliaments, who gave their all at Arnhem, were they to see the future of Britain and what ill and hateful governance had done to it and it’s people, would they still have fought at Arnhem, or, anywhere else during WWII?

    According to the Daily Mail and the book the article reviews, The Unkown Warriors, probably not.

    Hers was a small part in a huge, history-making enterprise, and her contribution epitomises her generation’s sense of service and sacrifice.

    Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

    But was it worth it? Her answer – and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s – is a resounding No…They feel, in a word that leaps out time and time again, ‘betrayed’.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  388. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    I kind of doubt you will much worthwhile out of Beckow on a topic like this, imo his takes on history topics like this are often too powerful, then defended tenaciously but with low effort at plausibility. Like here:

    As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s.

    It’s obvious when you think about it in the light of the well known Anglo-German-French alliance against ‘Russia’ in the 1914-45 period. And the Anglo involvement in attacking and invading Slavic lands in the 1990s in an extension of Barbarossa is too well known to need any commentary…

    It’s like when Reiner Tor had to engage in a lot of argument trying to prove that Britain and France were at war with Germany during WW2 and were not fighting on Germany’s side. The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  389. china-russia-all-the-way says:

  390. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    Quisling was ahead of the game though. He married a ukie and was a Kharkovian.

    • Replies: @AP
  391. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    It’s done all of the time in Russia. You mean you didn’t know? 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @AnonfromTN
  392. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon

    You can’t really believe that. East Germany is usually considered the Eastern Bloc country with the highest living standard (or at least it can’t have been below Czechoslovakia), and most households there didn’t even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Verymuchalive
  393. AP says:
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling’s wife was seems to have been an ethnic Russian from Kharkiv and member of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    , @Wokechoke
  394. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.

    Drang nach Osten seems to be a somewhat popular theme in Eastern Europe in general though, I would like to see it spelled out more clearly.
    But agreed that Beckow might be the wrong person to ask, given the peculiar nature of a lot of his other beliefs. His insistence on Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe only makes sense as a reflection of certain Russian views.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @sher singh
  395. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    You reference a svido leaning propagandist, along with your svido leaning propaganda. A counter-view:

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/03/12/greeks-in-mariupol/

    In another instance, I recall a Western mass media segment of a Mariupol area ethnic Greek saying he preferred neither.

    There’re also the good Greeks at this venue –

    https://theduran.com/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  396. @Dmitry

    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number “2” and letter “Z”.

    Ask a mathematician. They always have to draw a slash through the z lest they confuse themself.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  397. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Reveals the extreme ignorance of the person doing that cartoon and those who think it’s clever. BBC regularly quotes staunch Russian critics of the Russian government in Russia.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  398. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    And you reference a very suspect website that I tried to access only to find that my security system posted an extreme security alert stating that the website stole my IP address and was trying to access other files too. Thanks Chump! It looks like anything that you touch or recommend to others is run by some sort of sleazy providers.

    STAY AWAY FROM ANY WEBSITES RECOMMENDED BY AVERKO – YOU COULD BE VERY SORRY IF YOU DON’T HEED THIS WARNING!

    • LOL: Mikhail
  399. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    The cartoonist that you reference, Michael Ramirez, as being of “extreme ignorance” is an accomplished individual whose intellectual accomplishments in his field make him among the very best in the world. If you had one tenth of the chutzpah or intelligence that this individual possesses, you might be slightly credible, but you don’t. Here is a list of his accomplishments:

    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[16]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[17]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Mikhail
  400. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    He had two women and clearly favoured the Ukie.

  401. Wokechoke says:
    @AP

    You know quite well that Quisling wanted to break up the Soviet Union, meaning Russia, and wished to have Norwegian colonies in Northern Russia. Don’t be an obtuse clown. He married a girl from Kharkov and had a mistress who stayed with him in Norway from Ukraine as well. There’s a continuum from Quisling’s politics and what we see in Ukraine today because he virtually adopted their cause.

    https://vitacollections.ca/HREC-holodomordigitalcollections/3636158/data?n=2

    Notes
    Photo source: Information report series published by the Comité International de Secours a la Russie, Haut Commissariat du Dr. Nansen: no. 22: “La Famine en Ukraine, rapport,” by Vidkun Quisling. April 30, 1922. Genève: Imp. de H. Vollet . p.20. http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/16481/file.pdf

    For further evidence of the 1920s origins of this photograph, please see Related Features at right.
    Inscriptions
    Caption: “Un coin de la morgue de Kherson.” [A corner of the Kherson morgue.]
    Date of Original
    1921-1922
    Subject(s)
    Children
    Dead persons
    Morgues & mortuaries
    Starvation
    Famines (Ukraine : 1921-1923)
    Soviet Union–History–Famine, 1921-1922
    Non-Holodomor
    Famine victims
    Personal Name(s)
    Quisling, Vidkun
    Corporate Name(s)
    American Relief Administration ; Comité International de Secours a la Russie ; Conference universelle juive de secours ; International Save the Children Union ; Jewish World Relief Conference ; Nansen Mission ; Red Cross Society of Ukraine (1918-1923) ; Union international de secours aux enfants

    Stop being obtuse.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%E2%88%97Gubispolkom+%E2%80%94+Gubernial%27nyi+ispolnitel%27nyi+komitet,+a+provincial+executive+committee.

  402. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …most households there didn’t even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    Those are the kind of throw-away lines like: most households in the American South didn’t have indoor plumbing until 1970’s – or in parts of Italy, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, etc… Maybe it is true, maybe you are twisting the context.

    Those are not what living standards: those are about the work-consumption equation, food, housing, security, free time. I am not familiar with E Germany, in Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary they were good. We had phone lines going back to – I think – the 60’s or the 70’s, definitely by the 1980’s everyone I knew had a phone. But that was in the cities.

    People believe what they want to believe. They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics for reassurance. Socialism was not “monetized” – lots of stuff was free, not captured as ‘economic activity’. Compare that to the West where every time you move a ‘transaction’ is generated and added to the GNP.

    The lack of “monetized” activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn’t poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.

    • Replies: @AP
  403. sher singh says:
    @German_reader

    Everything back to the Christianization of the Slavs & Teutonic Knights.

  404. AP says:
    @Beckow

    They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics

    In this case, GDP data match what people see with their own eyes.

    The lack of “monetized” activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn’t poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.

    In most of the West you can quit your job and live an easy and comfortable life with modest material conditions too. Welfare, subsidised modest housing, free healthcare. The difference is that in the Eastern bloc even working professionals were forced to live like that. It wasn’t seen as poor by the natives because everyone was more or less equally poor. But when people visited from the West they were usually shocked by the poor conditions.

    Being a bit poorer than Portugal in 1989 isn’t the worst thing, but when your grandparents were as rich or richer than Austrians and now Austrians were twice or more richer the you, we see how dysfunctional the system was. But at least you didn’t have to work hard, you could do a shoddy job and get away with it because nobody cared.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  405. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe

    Britain has had negative designs on more places than that – just ask around, Germany among them. But to be clear, Britain very intentionally tried to direct the German (Nazi) attack eastward in the late 30’s. They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland and only got involved when Germans got cocky and started to also go westward.

    There are many other examples of the British perfidy, their endless support for the Ottomans or any bandit who would attack Russia, the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan, etc…But the Coconut (?) will deny it, English are taught to lie. They often deny the most obvious things like: “what us and a base on Black See coast, oh, noooo, we were just assisting the locals…freedom…blabla…no toilets!!!…look there, not here“.

    Drang nach Osten was by now spent German movement to spread eastward. It started around 12.-13. century with crusades – they actually called them “crusades” – went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack. Nazis didn’t come from nowhere, they were firmly rooted in the German history, they understood geography and resources well. Their plan was an accelerated, murderous version of some of the previous German eastward initiatives. It failed, the dream is gone.

    But not to be even aware of it? Well, Coconut is probably an elderly Brit who gets his truth from BBC and is offended by strong language. But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives. They knew.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @German_reader
  406. sher singh says:
    @Beckow

    The entire Islamic revival of the last 150 years is also a result of Anglo support.

  407. sher singh says:
    @German_reader

    Stop trying to understand ethnic hatred, if your people have tried to genocide Slavs for 1000 years..
    Stand by them.

  408. @AP

    You are in a bad mood again, baby.

    Submit your home address, I’ll send you a banana.

    [MORE]

    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones.

    Yes.

    However a nonverbal test doesn’t examine intelligence, it does logic alone. Someone can be good at logic and retarded in other areas. For this reason the Wechsler test is considered the standard.

    Even though it is limited as well but not as much as others.

    Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale IV (WAIS IV): Return of the Gold Standard
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09084280802644466

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.

    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to translate from one to another.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.

    Perhaps not for children, it’s a figure of speech. Can be used for children to be precise, whereas WAIS cannot.

    “A significant correlation was found between WAIS and RPM scores in patients with psychosis.”

    Excellent reference – people with mental disorders.

    “The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) is con-sidered the most reliable and commonly used intelligence test.”

    You should have quoted this instead.

    Here is goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points, Zabaykalsky Krai with 90.5, Mari El with 92.3, Yakutia with 92.5, Irkutsk Oblast – 92.9, Kabardino-Balkaria – 93.1, Stavropol Krai – 93.2, Adygea with 93.4 points.

    These are outliers, and the number of people in these regions is the same as the population of Moscow.

    So the national average is not a good point of reference in this case.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won’t you?

    Let’s count it again.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow’s population we get the score of 100.4, omitting 50 percent of St Petersburg we get 100.2, but now we have reduced the sample size to 42 149 023 people, and three low scoring regions in it now are becoming disproportionate as well.

    Kaluga – 94.0, Kemerovo – 95.9, Kursk – 97.1, in sum 4 513 803 people, who are now making more than 10 percent of our sample. So since we are making these corrections the same should be applied to them, and that will bring us back to 100.4, or precisely to 100.37, it looks like a fair number to me.

    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.

    Consider this, if you were asked what is most likely the Russian score in 2022, would you base your estimation on the old data, or you would take it into account, thinking it may be higher than before? What would you do if you were told that you will get a bunch of bananas, if you answer close enough?

    You would probably count the number of points gained in those last ten years, and that’s 4.05, 0.405 for a year so for the last six years, highly likely, the score might have grown in 2.43 points, making it – for me, 102.8, and it seems to be the best bet.

    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place.

    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you’re not coming back. And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours, you idiot.

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family. “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat” – why not, it’s our flat, it’s there, we can return when we want to.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it’s that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.

    Denying a part of your family history isn’t good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.

    • Replies: @AP
  409. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …even working professionals were forced to live like that.

    You know nothing. My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure. Have you been? I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s. So what is it? Did they go backwards for 30 years or are your ‘numbers’ out of context and self-serving?

    This is by the way by far the most common observation young people make after going to visit the West or travel in US: how run-down and much poorer than they thought it is. We see shocking poverty, homeless, insecurity, very hard working unhappy people worried about everything. That is what we talk about.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable. You have no idea what it was like, you live in a propagandized caricature world.

    • Agree: Here Be Dragon, sher singh
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @AP
  410. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland

    We’ve been through this before. Your interpretation doesn’t make any sense at all, doesn’t explain why Britain extended a security guarantee to Poland and then acted upon it by declaring war on Germany, instead of standing aside or advising Poland to become a German satellite state.
    Just tiresome.

    the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan

    What’s so bad about containing Russia? If you want to get all moralistic about great power politics, what business did Russia have in Korea and Manchuria?

    It started around 12.-13. century with crusades – they actually called them “crusades” – went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack.

    That’s pretty vague on details and doesn’t go much beyond what I already conceded.
    Wendish crusades, Teutonic order etc. don’t count imo.

    But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives.

    They have all been dead for some time, so that’s not really possible.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  411. @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kabbalah is about Hebrew, the Latin alphabet isn’t featured in Kabbalah. The letter Z in Hebrew is the letter ז – at least it’s pronounced the same, but the name of the letter is also is a word in Hebrew, which means a dick, a penis.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  412. Here is a little bit of reality for the Ukrainian patriots, from a Ukrainian, in Ukrainian.

  413. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Pulitzer? That cholo cartoonist is really something.

    New York Times also got a Pulitzer for the in-depth coverage of “Trump is a Russian puppet!!! he watched girls piss on bed sheets in Moscow”. We are not impressed by an institution that stupid and corrupt.

    The caricature was idiotic, on the level of Nazi or Commie “hate-our-enemies” cartoons, neither funny nor true. There will be more like that, this is quite a circus, I suspect monkeys will be appearing soon – Putin as a long-limbed ape reaching into Western wallets, Senor Rodriguez will draw it. And damn Putin has been lowering the temperature in my sauna….there must be a cartoon there somewhere. (Or we are out of cheap energy, but don’t mention that.)

    You will laugh since propaganda deeply touches you.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Sean
  414. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Ok, let’s not rehash Munich and Britain’s strange inactive 1939 ‘war’. It is complex, but archives clearly show that the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    Power politics is inevitable. Britain does it and that their default position has been “anybody-but-Russia”. It still is. Why are some denying it?

    That’s pretty vague on details and doesn’t go much beyond what I already conceded.

    Sorry, get a book. Do it soon, Ukies are starting to burn incorrect books. EU will not be far behind.

    They have all been dead for some time

    Eastern front?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  415. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    It is complex

    There’s nothing complex about you being wrong and obstinately refusing to admit it.

    Sorry, get a book.

    Maybe you could recommend one?

    Eastern front?

    Yeah, a few. But by now they would have been dead anyway, it’s been 80 years after all.
    And I’m not keen on repeating it. Russia’s going too far in Ukraine though, a reaction was unavoidable.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  416. Sean says:

    Predictably, after all the wrecked economies and death, Ukraine is going to end up taking a worse deal that could have been had for the asking in 2019.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  417. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  418. songbird says:
    @A123

    Peaches are good, but peach trees only produce fruit for about a dozen years. What kind of other fruit tree gyps you like that?

    Seen apple trees that must have been >100 years old, still giving apples.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    , @A123
  419. @AP

    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts. Stop doing that. That’s moronic.

    Stop being such a bozo.

    You claimed he invented the number – you accused him of lying.

    No. “Probably” doesn’t mean accusation it’s an assumption. Since he didn’t provide his readers with a reference, it was normal to assume he could have made it up. Bloggers often do that.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.

    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.

    Has been corrected. Didn’t change much.

    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.

    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can’t make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That’s the easiest part of the Wechsler test.

    You can do this block well and fail the others.

    “The aim of the present study was to investigate whether there is an association between WAIS Full Scale IQ and RPM in patients with psychosis.”

    You keep posting the same thing twice, it’s annoying and doesn’t make any sense.

    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.

    The problem is not even the rural population, this region is in general not a good frame of reference – it’s an outlier as you call it, with 92.5 score and 50 percent Yakutians, 38 percent Russians.

    Doesn’t cut it.

  420. Sean says:
    @Beckow

    One thing is evident: the superior cyber capabilities of Russia to manipulate the US are an American lie. According to George Beebe, US cyber espionage against Russia’s nuclear weapons control computers might all too easily be mistaken for clandestinely deactivating them or even programing them to attack targets in Russia, and thus tantamount to an American act of war against the Russian Federation. It would only take one ‘wild’ operation to be discovered.

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down from weakening Russia ( Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin) or removing Putin (Biden) in order to reset the policy goal o be a stalemate. But would Russia accept a stalemate, given that the Ukraine was is being fought somewhere no one would choose to fight Russia, because it is where it is going to be have short lines of supply and in the ‘near abroad’ where such a stalemate would be an extreme humiliation for them? The level of US support for Ukraine to enable it to attain stalemate would be so great that it would be getting very close to actual participation in the eyes of Russia. As Mearsheimer says the closer what America is doing gets to working, the more dangerous the course of action becomes.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @A123
  421. Dmitry says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    In original Hebrew and Kabbalah, “Z” means to “weapons of war”, “to arm”.
    https://hebrewtoday.com/alphabet/the-letter-zine-%D7%96/

    “The root meaning of the Hebrew letter Z is interesting in itself. While it means a “sword “or “sharp weapon,” as explained above, the meaning of the word is also connected to food and sustenance…Some scholars say that the meaning behind this is that while pointless bloodshed is certainly not the ideal, we sometimes must fight in order to defend our lives and our way of life.”

    So, a conspiracy theory of the occult meaning of the “Z”, is consistent, with the meaning of the symbol to represent the “special military operation”.

    Zhirinovsky’s Palindrome Day of when he said last year, the bombing of Kiev will begin, “22, 02, 2022” would be important in Kabbalah.

    There 22 Hebrew letters. 22 lines on the Tree of Life in Kabbalah. Anyone who is schizophrenic enough here, you can probably find something there
    https://allaboutheaven.org/symbols/hebrew-alphabet-the/123

    “Z” can also refer to “zombie”, like in “World War Z”.
    Whether you want to believe “creative” conspiracy theories of a satanist astrological numerologists, or not, there is definitely some attempts at “zombification”..

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  422. Dmitry says:
    @Beckow

    un-down and much poorer than they thought it is.

    What? That doesn’t make sense, as someone from a postsoviet origin – most of the West shocks how wealthy and luxury it is. I even have culture shock about this, that for years of habituation seems to increase, rather than decrease.

    I live in the West and my combination of travel expense and things like “storage costs”, are more than many peoples’ total salaries outside the West. In addition, the amount of hours of work in the West is sometimes low, relative to salary. This feeling like they are paying you more than you deserved is common in the West. There is a constant illogical “why are they paying this salary? Why is there so much money?”

    worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable

    In Soviet times people worked more, but of course on average, most people were happier than today, if you believe what most any people who were living then will say to you. I don’t know anyone who remember Soviet times, who doesn’t say it was better. A lot of this may be because of the greater equality and public investment levels.

    According to surveys (whether we believe those or not is another question), equality is one of the main correlates of “national happiness”, e.g. across different historical times in the United States.
    http://www.factorhappiness.at/downloads/quellen/s13_oishi.pdf

    • Replies: @Beckow
  423. AP says:
    @Beckow

    My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    The differences were so small that for a Westerner it looked about the same. Or course, people used to such small differences might have motived them more.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure.

    The problem is that you have a well-established record of lying all the time. Other posters do not. So when Verymuchalive states:

    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    He is more believable than you when you contradict him. And others such as Dmitry reinforce those perceptions. And of course data such as GDP per capita support the perceptions that others have (but you don’t like data either).

    I have not been to Czechoslovakia but I visited Ukraine in 1990, back when it wasn’t much poorer than Visegrad. The poverty was one of the strongest impressions.

    I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s.

    I’m sure you can lie about many places.

    In reality, you would have to find some really marginal ghettos to find places that were poorer. And even then it might be illusory – you might find that those poor people have more automobiles and televisions than did the not-poor Czechs of 1989, they just live in dirty and messy places because that’s the kind of dysfunctional it takes for people in the West to manage to live materially like 1989 Warsaw Pact socialists.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable.

    In most western counties you can choose unemployment, the government will provide you with housing and some spending money. No bosses to worry about. Plenty of free time. You can recreate the world of Warsaw Pact socialism in the 1980s in your personal life.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Miro23
  424. LatW says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian

    We don’t know that a 100% (he did mention at one point that somebody thought he looked Tatar so he’s probably a brunette but he also mentioned a relative in Penza who may have been Baltic), but, yeah, he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    Unfortunately, no. Russia is 80% Slavic, yet all those people do not hold Bashi’s views. A large proportion of them are hardcore vatnik imperialists, being the dominant nationality in a “multi-racial Empire” they do feel comfortable in it and yearn for it. Not only “mixed race Caucasoids”, but also a large majority of Slavic Russians and the Orthodox hold imperialist views.

    Bashi’s ideological background stems from Rodnover nationalism, which is a relatively small group of Russian right wingers. Of course, he is more sophisticated and has a much more open mind and an almost cosmopolitan breadth. His views are independent, only partially determined by his ethnicity.

    For you, Bashi… wish what is happening right now had never happened.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Mr. Hack
  425. Beckow says:
    @Sean

    At this point each side goals are almost irrelevant. The war itself has taken over – as in most large-scale past wars. It has gone too far for the war to end now, or for a stalemate. It will go on until one or the other side is lying defeated with its face in the sand. Then the regrets will come.

    Russia understand this better than US, there is fatalism in their pronouncements. Kiev knows it too but fears what it could mean, so they pretend optimism. Europe understands nothing – they are Mr. Hacks of the war – in denial alternating between boastful foolishness and weepy hysteria. US is cooly confident – no outcome can really hurt it and longer it goes on the better.

    Wars become like that: mindless fighting with inability to stop. Russia’s achilles heel is morale – why do this? must be on many people’s mind. Kiev’s biggest weakness is lack off strategic depth if Russia takes all of Donbas and keeps most of the Black See coast. Our biggest problem is that we are at a mercy of unpredictable war dynamics – any accident, bad luck, provocation, etc…

    One more time: wouldn’t accepting the Minsk compromise and putting Nato on ice really be such a bad thing for Ukraine? Is this better? Or is it too impolite to ask?

  426. Beckow says:
    @AP

    You seem to be a complete idiot, so I will drop it. It is not possible to discuss with a person whose only arguments are constant ad hominem vapid idiocies. You can have your messy, dirty Western “but rich” sh..tholes with the welfare that you seem to like so much and TVs (what the f..ck, TVs? what are you a baby boomer?) You have a closed mind. That is a sad thing, but we can’t change it.

    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards, maybe to the poorer parts of eastern Poland. It was always much poorer and underdeveloped. You know nothing and make up stuff based on your shallow nothing experiences. Good luck with that, losing a war may shake some sense into you, but I doubt it.

    • Replies: @AP
  427. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    On Russia, he’s a moron thereby explaining why you like him.

    Reminded somewhat of Max Boot:

    Can’t resist –

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  428. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁

    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    Elite media doesn’t have the best rep among the masses on account of the kind of feeble minds getting coddled in that circle.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @A123
  429. Mikhail says: • Website
    @songbird

    Pear trees apparently have a rep of not being so durable. My neighborhood sought smaller trees to the taller ones that over time could bring havoc to the electrical lines. The replacement pear trees didn’t generally last long. At a village board meeting, I recall someone saying that was their rep.

    • Replies: @songbird
  430. LatW says:

    One more time: wouldn’t accepting the Minsk compromise and putting Nato on ice really be such a bad thing for Ukraine? Is this better? Or is it too impolite to ask?

    Beckow, you go on and on like an old record. Minsk wasn’t about normal autonomy, the sort that the Faroe Islands have. The demand was to put the Donbas militiamen in positions of power as well as serve as border guards. They would not be neutral or autonomous, but would naturally fraternize with Russia. They would not be loyal to Ukraine in that form.

    Please, do not pretend this was about Minsk. Remember the “ultimatum” that came from Putin right before the war. He did mean it, it wasn’t just some diplomatic game. He did mean for NATO to get the hell out of half of Europe, including your country.

    If it had been only about Minsk, he would’ve just annexed Donbas, filled it up with troops and weapons and been happy with it. Even under that scenario, he would be controlling a large part of the Black Sea coast (and further) and a large part of Ukraine would in the range of his missiles. But he didn’t feel that was enough. All or most of Ukraine had to be “demilitarized” and Russified back since it was becoming an “anti-Russia” (in his mind). Minsk would’ve been just the first step.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  431. Beckow says:
    @Dmitry

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn’t. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don’t want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us – and we were much better off than you – to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not – you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad – we had stuff you didn’t have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn’t – or you don’t believe it – well, I can’t help that.

    We were not “Soviets”, we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don’t now try to “be like us” – you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about “Ukraine in Visegrad”. You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

  432. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    You didn’t answer my question: “is this better?”

    You are worse than a broken record, you repeat projections that cannot be validated. If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    The stuff about “fraternizing border guards” is nonsense – it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its “autonomous” regions, it has been done many times. You just wait for the right time, buy people, manipulate – as long as it is a single country it can be fixed.

    But this is not about the “autonomy”, is it? This is about what you so strenuously deny: Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war – or a threat of war – on Russia. You can’t say that because it wouldn’t sell well, so you blabber incoherent nonsense about why Donbas autonomy was this or that, how Russia “didn’t mean it”, and something about border guards shacking up with each other. In any case, all of that is theoretical now – let’s see who wins the war.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @LatW
  433. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    I’m combining replies to two posts:

    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts

    You keep repeating the falsehood in different posts.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.

    Evidence?

    Russian average PISA score dropped 10 points in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202018%20Insights%20and%20Interpretations%20FINAL%20PDF.pdf

    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.

    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.

    And? Research in this field often involves patients. Do you have a reason why scores on these tests would correlate in the patient population but not in the general population?

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can’t make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That’s the easiest part of the Wechsler test.

    All parts of the Wechsler test are equally “easy” because all are normed with a standard distribution of scores.

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.

    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to translate from one to another.

    I’ll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand.

    The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100. Accordingly, the verbal parts will vary by country. The questions will be different and will be easier/harder depending on how smart the population in each country is. Different vocabulary words, different information items, not merely translations of the same ones.

    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country and one can simply compare how many items one guesses correctly and use, say, British norms to obtain a British IQ for that person and an average British IQ for the group.

    This is why most of these cross-national studies use the Raven’s and not the Wechsler test. The Russian subjects use the exact same items as the British subjects, and one can calculate their IQ using British norms on those identical items.

    “Here it goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.”

    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points

    Moscow is an outlier even in comparison to the ethnic Russian regions.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won’t you?

    It’s not as extreme and the population is smaller so it wouldn’t skew the sample as much.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow’s population we get the score of 100.4

    That’s almost exactly what I estimated it would be. Nice to see my intuition match the result.

    I wrote: “You included the Moscow outlier but didn’t include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.”

    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.

    Russian scores on PISA regressed in 2018. The Russian average was 482 (see link to the pdf above) in 2018, compared to 492 in 2015. Don’t know what the ethnic Russian average was in 2018, but I doubt it has increased if the the overall Russian average has gone down.

    Meanwhile the White American average increased in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2018/pdf/PISA2018_compiled.pdf

    (use Ctr F to find white)

    It was 519 in 2015 but 521 in 2018.

    So Russians were a little bit dumber than white Americans in 2015, and this gap has probably increased.

    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now

    I’m glad you finally agree with me, when I stated it was probably around 100.5.

    But it is probably not higher now, given the decline in the overall Russian PISA performance in 2018 compared to 2015.

    [MORE]

    LOL, your obsession with my old place in Moscow continues.

    “In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place.”

    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you’re not coming back.

    You surely can. I rented a wonderful place in on a lake in Italy once for only a week, and speak happily of my apartment there.

    But I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.

    And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours

    There is no such implication. Stop lying.

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement

    Your words gave a dramatically different meaning so they did misrepresent what I said. You were just being dishonest as usual.

    AP: ““When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.”

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family

    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it’s that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.

    Not really. That relative redeemed any family sins by being part of the circle that helped to end the disgusting USSR in the late 1980s and early 1990s. And, to his credit, did not get rich in the 1990s by engaging in the mass theft and murder that many of his Soviet peers engaged in. Naive guy hoped the USSR would become a type of Sweden because he didn’t acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you, Sharikov, and in the debacle of the 1990s. Sadly, it couldn’t have ended any other way. That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    Denying a part of your family history isn’t good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.

    LOL, these Russian relatives of mine aren’t my ancestors, my non-Bolshevik family history is no worse.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
  434. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Aw, Beckow’s feelings were hurt when his lies were explained to him.

    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards

    In the early 1990s in terms of purchasing power parity Ukraine was between Poland and Czech Republic. Russia was almost the same as Czech Republic so your rude words towards Dmitry are unfounded:

    Slovak Republic was much like Poland, so poorer than Ukraine until 1993 and poorer than Russia until 1996:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=UA-SK-RU

    I remember in 1990, there were Polish traders coming to Kiev.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  435. @German_reader

    My views are the result of direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s. I never went to East Germany, but a friend went there in the mid-80s on a study tour. On his return, he said that the thing that struck him was that many households – the ones he saw – didn’t even have a fridge. An anecdote, I know, but consistent with what I had learned in Hungary.

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn’t even born in the 1980s. He didn’t contradict me on this. I’m not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @Beckow
  436. @AP

    The growth in GDP PPP for the Czech Republic is easily explained. It is a small country which has seen massive German investment. To all intents and purposes, it acts as a branch economy of Germany.

    Poland’s growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ). It is due to receive 140 bn euros net subsidy for the period 2021-27 ( 20 bn euros a year ). Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.
    One suspects that, without these options, Polish growth would have be very poor indeed.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  437. Sean says:
    @Beckow

    . If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    If Russia again offered the deal that Poroshenko and Azov made Zelenesky back out off in 2019, he would bite their hand off.

    Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war – or a threat of war – on Russia.

    The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change and no one can know whether, why, or when. Russia was never going to agree to be bound hand and foot.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  438. sher singh says:
    @LatW

    Rodnovor gatherings were shelled in the recent war I think they suspected it was Russians.
    Let’s hope Rodnovory can restore the Slavs to spiritual sovereignty.

    Bashibazuk do you have discord? I’m not in the Karlin server atm, but in general.
    You & Altan are good to keep in contact with.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Thanks: LatW
  439. @Verymuchalive

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn’t even born in the 1980s. He didn’t contradict me on this. I’m not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    I can understand why he annoys a lot of people here but his contrarian takes have some value, insofar as he shakes things up a bit and provides a different perspective.

    Some of his opinions aren’t even crazy, e.g. his predictions that Mariupol has a lot of potential sounds plausible to me. It’s a city with a special symbolic significance given it was the seat of the Azov battallion and it suffered more than any other city thus far in Ukraine. So Russia has an extraordinarily strong incentive to improve the city if for no other reason than propaganda purposes.

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I’d bet on Mariupol right now.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  440. Wokechoke says:
    @Beckow

    Ukiedelusionsarealarming.

  441. @Verymuchalive

    Poland’s growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ).

    Innumerates often forget to adjust for population. Poland’s subsidies have not been greater than many EE countries.

    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms. Greece is an absolute, overindebted mess.

    (Ignore Luxembourg, their data is distorted due to tax-evasion flows which mucks up their capital account).

    I would agree that their growth hasn’t been too improve, but this is more related to their low savings rate, which puts pressure on their currency.

    EU gibs are in general oversold as important for growth. Deep integration into the German supply chains have been more important for the V4 countries, and with it associated trade flows which have upgraded their industries.

    Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.

    Poland has been a net exporter of remittances since about 2016. As a percentage of GDP, they were always a lot less reliant on it than e.g. the Balts.

    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia. Unlike Czechia or Slovenia, which were already quite advanced in the early 1990s, Estonia was very poor and has done better than virtually any other EE country.

    Lithuania’s progress has also been good, however they lost a huge share of their population (~20%) since the wall fell in 1989 and have lived off remittances to a much greater extent. That makes their per capita performance less impressive.

  442. songbird says:
    @Mikhail

    Have a pear tree now. Seems to be fairly fruitful, but quite a lot different from the supermarket pears.

    Very thick-skinned, imo, you’ve got to peel them. Most times that I tried to eat them, they haven’t tasted good. Figure there must be a science to picking them on the right day and to ripening them. Or maybe, with this variety, you’re supposed to cook them.

  443. @Beckow

    You left out the part about the Slovakian sheep dog.

    Slovakia–our country ain’t fake and gay!

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  444. If we really are serious, we would have to relate contributions and subsidies to GDP PPP per capita of the individual state. Prima facie, Bulgaria gets a very raw deal. It is the poorest state, and gets much less than Estonia, Latvia and Greece, for example.
    Then we have the problem of state indebtedness.

    You say
    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms.

    In 2021, Greek National Debt was 194%, Portugal’s 127% and Poland’s 54%. It would be innumerate of you not to mention this. In the case of Greece and Portugal, any excess per capita subsidies over Poland’s levels are surely more than compensated by debt repayments to German and French bankers. A sort of financial revolving doors.

    You say:
    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia.

    Estonia has a small – some would say tiny – population, 1.3 million, and low population density – about 80/square mile. It is low lying and has large areas suitable for forestry and agriculture ( and cheap housing ).
    It has also had heavy investment from Sweden and Finland – at least comparable to German investment in the Czech Republic on a per capita basis. Given the small size of the Estonian economy, heavy foreign investment will have a much greater effect.
    https://helsinki.mfa.ee/en/estonia-and-finland/economic-relations/

    Finland has been one of the two biggest investors in the Estonian economy during the entire period of Estonian independence (in second place after Sweden). According to the Bank of Estonia, in 2017 22% of the total amount of direct investment to Estonia came from Finland, totaling 4.3 billion euros. The greatest investment has been in the real estate sector (29%), manufacturing (25%), wholesale and retail trade (13%).

    Real estate sector ( 29% )

    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @LatW
  445. @Thulean Friend

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I’d bet on Mariupol right now.

    Spoken like a Swede who has spent all his money on Estonian real estate.

  446. @Verymuchalive

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt – and then cooked their books – is not the EU’s fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You’re just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    2. Estonia did indeed receive a lot of attention from Sweden. Probably more than any other EE country. Despite the 2008 GFC, where our banks were willfully blind and lent like drunken sailors, all the Baltic countries recovered smartly. By and large, I’d say that our investment more than paid off. The same can’t be said for the fools who splurged on Greece.

    3. I’m too young to have speculated in Estonian real estate, but if I had been 20 years older or so, the chances are probably decent that I would’ve dabbled on the margins.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.

    https://www.intellinews.com/511-3mn-of-funds-for-roads-in-bulgaria-spent-on-luxury-properties-interior-minister-says-247036/

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    , @A123
  447. @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don’t know about Beckow, though.

  448. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    A real talent like Ramirez would never waste his time on a nobody like yourself. Unfortunately, fate has assigned that unenviable task to lowly hacks and other less gifted individuals. Since you seem to be moved by his work so much (as I mentioned, adored by millions of others around the planet), here’s one more you can ponder:
    You have this same blood on your hands. Can’t seem to wash it off can you?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  449. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    There are huge differences between plants:

    — Breed for current Agriculture & Distribution Chains
    — Wild/Heirloom strains

    Some of the Ag breeding is undeniably favorable (e.g. disease resistance). However, other choices are made for commercial viability. Appearance “shelf appeal” is prioritized over flavour. Durability to survive distribution is required.

    I suspect there are heirloom peach trees that would produce less fruit per season, but remain productive longer.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
  450. Mr. Hack says:
    @LatW

    he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko’s Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language. Bashi was of course sympathetic to Ukrainians and I think really saw himself as an East Slav. He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler’s war in Ukraine. He was quite deep intellectually and I miss our discussions very much. I wish he would return and give us more of his take on what’s going on. His unique opinions would delve much further beneath the surface of most topics.

    • Replies: @LatW
  451. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn’t come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.

    This one is for you chump:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
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  453. Mikhail says: • Website

  454. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail

    Michael Ramirez was good years ago, but his more recent track record is quite mixed. He often comes across as a #NeverTrump fascist. Supporting neo-Nazi Azovites is an unsurprising development.

    What the Establishment wants, Ramirez delivers….

    Every once in a while he slips the leash & delivers something insightful. Sadly, that is now a rare occasion.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  455. @Thulean Friend

    You write

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt – and then cooked their books – is not the EU’s fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You’re just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    I made no special plea for Greece, nor did I excuse its venal politicians. What is the EU’s fault is that they knew that Greece was cooking the books and they didn’t care because they knew the bankers could squeeze the money back anyway. The EU is responsible for the Euro, its currency, designed by and for the benefit of German and French manufacturers and bankers, especially the former. The Euroscam is at the heart of Greece’s problems. It has prevented devaluation or default, which should have resolved the matter long ago. It has kept Greece in a state of austerity since 2009. See my reply #138 to this article.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.

    I said no such thing. I wrote that, prima facie, Bulgaria gets a raw deal. Whether, on closer examination, it actually does, I do not know. I would only say that, for a supposedly feckless Balkan state, the present and previous governments have kept a very tight lid on government debt.
    In April 2022, Government Debt was only 21.4% of GDP.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/bulgaria/government-debt-to-gdp

    For the period 2007-21:
    https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/bulgaria/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp
    The data reached an all-time high of 29.3 % in Mar 2016 and a record low of 12.7 % in Mar 2009.

  456. A123 says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend

    The single currency EZ has been a disaster since day one. Singling out Greece for their decision making misses the point entirely. It is much more important to focus on the “Cocaine Dealer” rather than the individual addict who has been trapped in a web of lies.

    Greece’s best course of action is Monetization. They should unilaterally print their sovereign currency the Euro €, and immediately become debt free. Any nation that does not like a sovereign country taking sovereign action is free to leave the EU/EZ.

    Remember, there is no way to leave the EZ without also leaving the EU. This was deliberately designed into the EZ founding documents. European Elites wanted escape free colonies & plantations, not a collaboration of sovereign equals. They have unwittingly supplied the Sword that can be used to slay the Beast.

    PEACE 😇

  457. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Where has Ramirez supported “neo-Nazi Azovites? This one wasn’t done by Ramirez, but I think that it perfectly depicts your fate as a bona-fide Putler groupie. Your newly constructed career as a kremlin stooge doesn’t appear to be very promising? 🙂

  458. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn’t come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.

    Is this how you see yourself? Only confirms my opinion of you as being a megalomaniacal fruitcake! 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  459. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down … to reset the policy goal to be a stalemate.

    You are approaching the truth. Now take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

    The European WEF:
        • Controls Not-The-President Biden
        • Wants Open Borders
        • Encourages MENA origin flows on forged Ukie documents
        • Places U.S. taxpayers on the hook for their scam

    A stalemate is the optimum outcome for the European WEF.

    Their worst case scenario is an armistice that lets genuine refugees return home. Negotiating in good faith with Russia is Ukraine’s best option. To head off this possibility, millions of WEF funded € have found their way into Zelensky’s pockets (1).

    Everything makes sense once America is correctly understood as a “pawn”, or at best an expendable “knight”. The European Elite, WEF “king” sits safely in his Davos castle, above the fray.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

  460. @Mr. Hack

    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West, including Alzheimer-in-chief, could even dream of. Response: temper tantrums in the West.

    It’s exactly like the story of Severodonetsk. Not too long ago the Ukie clown-in-chief proclaimed that the fate of Donbass will be decided by the battle of Severodonetsk. A few days ago Ukies acknowledged that the remainder of Ukie troops in Severodonetsk was told to abandon the city. I guess the fate of Donbass is sealed.

    There is nothing new here: Aesop’s fable about sour grapes is more than 2,000 years old. The meaning of the expression “sour grapes” is obvious to everyone even today.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  461. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    As Dizzy Dean said, it aint bragging if you’re good. Among other things, you post an idiotic cartoon under the guise that it’s clever. In turn, I counter by factually noting how stupid it is.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  462. @216

    Abortion is legal and almost unlimited in Puerto Rico and rates were similar to US blacks, above twenty, so it is not surprising TFR being low. It would have meaning only if abortion was unavailable and rates remained low, but not in current situation.

    If overall abortion rates in US dropped considerably, so why all this conservative ado about nothing?

    Overall abortion rates also are quite meaningless, need to look into rates by race in order to have prediction of future banning impact.

    And the impact will be such that there will be much more offspring from most poor and impulsive population (mostly black in US) which is not even mentally capable to avoid unwanted pregnancies by contraception/birth control thanx to nobody, but self owning conservatives.

  463. songbird says:
    @A123

    I sometimes get sick of the store-bought varieties of apples.

    Amazing how many heritage apples there are said to be. You’d think that a place like New England would have more varieties available in the supermarkets, as they don’t need long haul.

    • Replies: @A123
  464. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West,

    Professor, you seem to have completely missed the meaning of this political cartoon. Take a look at it again, underneath a microscope if you must. Nobody in the West is envious of Putler’s popularity if it comes as a result of his dubious and malicious control of the country. Underneath the veneer of “democracy” everything is perfectly calibrated so that Putler always comes out on top. You haven’t noticed the number of journalists and opposing politicians that have met their untimely deaths in Russia? No, I suspect that you haven’t, judging by your inability to discern the true meaning of this simple cartoon.

  465. @AP

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

  466. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    You might appeal to the “dizzy” crowd out there, but to anybody with any brains they can quickly see through your kremlin stooge song and dance routine. Pathetic!

    • Troll: Mikhail
  467. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I truly feel sorry for you and your mother regarding this sad story. Just think though, had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas, none of this would have happened. It’s a sad but true observation that many innocent people get harmed during a war. Better to not have started one in the first place.

  468. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    Large chain supermarkets like large contracts with large growers. This tends to lock out small suppliers that have only seasonal offerings, such as heritage fruit.

    The solution to your pear problem may be swapping over to Asian Pear trees. American Pears are geared to grocery store distribution. I cannot vouch for this personally, but I have heard that you can eat Asian Pears directly from the branch.

    https://gardenerspath.com/plants/fruit-trees/best-asian-pears/

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
  469. Miro23 says:
    @AP

    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    I visited Poland (Krakow) from Spain in the mid 1980’s and I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary. Everyone quite friendly but little money, small old noisy cars and rundown buildings.

    Spain was better, but only within about 20 years. In the 1960’s it was equally rough, run down, no money with a real lack of consumer goods.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Beckow
  470. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN

    So based on that you find it acceptable to shell Kiev and Kharkiv?

    What is the difference between you and a Chechen terrorist who, based on the devastation of Grozny supports bombings in Moscow?

    Your kind are even worse. Russians did much more destruction to Grozny than Kiev did to Donbas, and Moscow is killing far more Ukrainian civilians than Chechen terrorists killed Russian ones.

  471. Beckow says:
    @Verymuchalive

    ….direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s.

    Traveling is not a direct experience, only living simewhere is. The friend stories are suspicious: people like to put drama in their narratives. You seem stuck on “fridges”, most people in the 80’s had one. Some didn’t as was the case in Spain or even UK. Fridges and dryers were not something many considered essential – almost all food was fresh. You confuse different lifestyles with poverty. We think that the American custom of manufacturing stale food and storing it for a long time is unhealthy and one can see it in the way Americans look now.

    I recall the 80’s, and it simply wasn’t the way Westerners are told it was. Like most societies it had issues and was often boring, but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure – we could travel to the West – Westerners are lied to that we couldn’t. Soviets were somewhere, but they were invisible, not different from American soldiers in Germany or Italy. We learned English in school, had easy access to Western music, movies, etc… Nobody harassed us about politics, if anything by the mid-80’s it was socially very unpopular to have pro-commie views, they were on a defensive.

    Economic history is based on numbers to measure things that cannot always be measured – e.g. US has a huge financial sector that makes no sense in other societies, it made absolutely no sense in socialist countries where a lot of stuff was free (too much in my view). The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult.

    • Replies: @AP
  472. AP says:
    @Miro23

    Thank you. So 1980s Poland was about as bad as 1960s Spain. Not a ringing endorsement of Warsaw Pact socialism – living in the 1980s like poor Spaniards did back in the 1960s.

  473. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows.

    Objective fact is you have no idea whose shell it was, you just want believe it was Ukrainian shell, but it was impossible to know for sure for ordinary people when dealing with artillery. In theory it can be known, but only having the data of counterbattery radar.

    Valery Bolotov, which at the time was the separatist head of Lugansk, himself confirmed city area was being shelled by different separatist fractions too at the time:

    — Известно, что Игорь Плотницкий командовал батальоном «Заря», в Луганске ходят слухи, что именно этот батальон устраивал провокации и обстреливал Луганск летом 2014-го. Это так?

    — Да. И не только «Заря». Сюда было заслано много людей, которые должны были совершать диверсии и разлагать дисциплину. А в «Заре» оказался самый большой процент этих «диверсантов».

    Я в свое время отдал приказ Плотницкому собрать батальон для защиты правопорядка в городе, участия в боевых действиях и защиты границ ЛНР. Однако, как оказалось, батальон «работал» для другого. Я пытался, но у меня не было времени, ресурсов и возможности, чтобы все время находиться рядом и контролировать набор людей. Я доверился Плотницкому, и он сформировал батальон «для себя». Эти люди выполняли приказы Плотницкого, а не мои.

    https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2016/12/08/1574039.html

  474. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    I said: the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    You called that wrong. Well, check the British and German archives: it is directly there. Munich was not an accident or a one-off, it was the British policy (and French) until 1939-40: “Go East, young Nazis!!!”

    Russia’s going too far in Ukraine, a reaction was unavoidable.

    True. But the following is also true: Nato went too far in Ukraine, a reaction was unavoidable. When things go too far there is a war. Escalation to a war is a ladder, step by step, Nato and Kiev did most of the early steps. To focus on only 2/24/2022 is both one-sided and won’t work. A few more steps and we may have to repeat something like what you (and I) lost our relatives to.

  475. Beckow says:
    @Sean

    …The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change

    We have no way of knowing. There is not a single, monolithic West: some have the intention, some don’t, some can be persuaded, some would attack only if it was easy. Most will lie about it, as they probably should – it is statecraft. Placing the bases in Ukraine would make that option more likely. In a few years, maybe decades, who knows. US would never allow benign Russian or Chinese bases in Quebec. This is actually very elementary, it is just that so many in the West have lost their minds.

    If Russia offers the same Minsk deal – a big if – Zelensky should take it. If the foaming-in-the-mouth Ukie nationalists don’t like it, Zelko should pull the army out and tell them to fight by themselves. My guess is that Porky would be out of there and in Florida before Zelko would finish the sentence. They could then scuba-dive together.

  476. Mr. Hack says:
    @AnonfromTN

    I did not live there for 40+ years,

    That would make it about 1982 that you left Donbas for the US. How did you manage that, even before the Soviet Union fell apart? There was barely a trickle of Poles that were making the move at that time.

  477. Beckow says:
    @Miro23

    …I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary

    It wasn’t. Poland was much poorer in real terms and getting even poorer in the 80’s with all the strikes and commotion.

    Villagers had a saying: “dogs go to bark in Poland, and to eat in Czechia“. It wasn’t even close, Poles were even kept for a while from traveling to Czecho-Slovakia because they were trying to buy up everything via barter. These remote speculations and extrapolations are uninformed.

    I recall seeing old Polish cars with open trunks and very shifty looking Poles trying to sell an old bicycle or some bricks. Usually police showed up and they were escorted out. Yeah, the commie oppression at its best.

    Now Ukies are starting to do it: selling berries and pieces of wood and tracking anything they can back to Ukraine. One thing they never mention is how much they admire Zelko and how they want to fight the evil Russians to death. But maybe they are just too busy.

  478. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    …had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas

    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years? It must be the Russian personality, time is of no importance. Or – more likely – what you say is not true.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014. They didn’t have to do it. Kiev started this war, now you are crying because they are losing.

    • Replies: @AP
  479. AP says:
    @Beckow

    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years?

    Who said they abandoned it for 8 years? They got the war going, and continued to send supplies and volunteers as necessary in order to prevent Ukraine from establishing control within its own territory.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014.

    It became a civil war with thousands dead because Russian soldiers and volunteers were in Ukraine. Otherwise it would have been a civil disturbance with at most a few dozen dozen dead.

    They didn’t have to do it

    A state has the right to use force to maintain control within its own boundaries. A state doesn’t have the right to move its troops and operatives into other states, as Russia did in 2014 Ukraine.

    Russia chose to send its people into Ukraine in 2014, the deaths of 3,100 civilians 2014-2021 (rather than a few dozen, as would have been the case otherwise) was the result of Russia’s actions in a another country.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  480. @Dmitry

    From the artile you referenced –

    The original meaning of the letter Zayin is a “sword” or “sharp weapon,” with the word “lezayen” coming to mean “to arm” in the Modern Hebrew language. However, please note – the word in slang and common talk has come to mean a really not nice word – so please do not use it!

    You said you had friends in Israel, so ask them what the word Zayin means, and if they have ever heard that its original meaning is “sword or sharp weapon.”

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Dick&op=translate
    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Fuck&op=translate

    You can click on the sound speaker to hear how it sounds.

    The truth is in Kabbalah it’s all about sex. Fallic allegories vaginal allegories etc. But they aren’t telling this to the general public. The same as they aren’t telling that the first name of their God, Shaddai, is translated as the Lord of Demons.

    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=ru&tl=en&text=%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%B2&op=translate

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  481. AP says:
    @Beckow

    but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure – we could travel to the West

    Now you are going to claim that the iron curtain and Berlin Wall were myths?

    My aunt and uncle visited from Ukraine in the early 1980s. They were not allowed to bring their school-aged children, for fear they would not return if they left as a family.* The Soviet bloc was so wonderful that it kept hostages.

    They were amazed at the prosperity. We drove past an auto factory with a parking lot full of large American cars. My uncle’s first thought was that it couldn’t be true that every worker could have such cars (far superior than anything a regular Soviet could drive, and easily obtained without having to wait for it forever), and that the cars were set up on the parking lot just for show.

    Such was the cynicism that comes from living in a land of lies, Beckow’s spiritual homeland.

    The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult

    So GDP figures showing relative poverty don’t count, and personal observations showing relative poverty don’t count either. Only Beckow’s lies count.

    We get it, you were only kind of poor, but it wasn’t bad because you were less poor than your parents. And because you could do a shitty job at work or be lazy, and the boss couldn’t do anything about it. So you have a society of calm shabbiness, parks with grass up to the knees (workers taking it easy, maybe drinking on the job), surly waiters because you’ve interrupted their gossiping by your presence (so much less fake than Western smiles), with bad food because the kitchen staff can’t be bothered to put pride into their work and they can’t be fired anyways, substandard products of all kinds, dirty hospitals (housekeeping staff have the right to take it easy, too), bland cretinism, etc.

    “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work” as an organizing economic principle.

    Not bad I admit, compared to the Stalinist nightmare that preceded it. But rather pathetic for normal people.

    *IIRC but am not 100% sure, they only let out people who had ties at home, that would reduce the likelihood of not returning

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  482. Dmitry says:
    @Here Be Dragon

    they have ever heard that its original meaning is “sword or sharp weapon.”

    I don’t support the conspiracy theory, but for the entertainment purposes, we can claim there is alignment.

    Astroturfing suddenly of “Z” has a feeling of creepy, occult conspiracy theory. You’re attempting to excuse from this, by talking about slang of recent decades of contemporary Israel, based on the word “weapon” or “sword”. Where “sword” became slang for penis. But this is not the meaning the “Z” has for the religious occultists, who follow the original meaning from centuries of history, which is weapon and war. https://digitaloccultlibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/occult-languages-and-alphabets/

    “Z” in the Kabbalah, refers to weapons and war, which creates a consistent conspiracy theory for the “World War Z”.

    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

    Why are your using only three of the military identifying symbols letters to create your anagram, but there are also Ф, А, X, △. These are IFF (“friend or foe”) marking.
    https://i.imgur.com/iA7aojk.jpg

    Of all the symbols, the “Z” has been astroturfed as the symbol of the special military operation and this is a Kremlin decision

    Nobody understands why they astroturf “Z” as the symbol of war, except the government official who has decided to astroturf it.

    This will be a decision of some officials, but I wonder who in particular.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon