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The previous Open Thread has passed 1,000 comments, so here’s a new one.

I’m including a link to a long post by Graham Fuller, a former Vice Chair of America’s National Intelligence Council at the CIA:

I’m excerpting a few of his telling paragraphs:

Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war. Any longer-term damage to Russia is open to debate.

American sanctions against Russia have turned out to be far more devastating to Europe than to Russia. The global economy has slowed and many developing nations face serious food shortages and risk of broad starvation.

There are already deep cracks in the European façade of so-called “NATO unity.” Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia. Indeed, this is not a Ukrainian-Russian war but an American-Russian war fought by proxy to the last Ukrainian.

Contrary to optimistic declarations, NATO may in fact ultimately emerge weakened. Western Europeans will think long and hard about the wisdom and deep costs of provoking deeper long term confrontations with Russia or other “competitors”of the US.

Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world. America’s willingness to go to war to this end is increasingly dangerous to others.

Washington has also made it clear that Europe must sign on to an “ideological” struggle against China as well in some kind of protean struggle of “democracy against authoritarianism”. Yet, if anything this is a classic struggle for power across the globe. And Europe can even less afford to blunder into confrontation with China–a “threat” perceived primarily by Washington yet unconvincing to many European states and much of the world..

China’s Belt and Road initiative is perhaps the most ambitious economic and geopolitical project in world history. It is already linking China with Europe by rail and sea. European exclusion from the Belt and Road project will cost it dearly. Note that the Belt and Road runs right through Russia. It is impossible for Europe to close its doors to Russia while maintaining access to this Eurasian mega project. Thus a Europe that perceives the US already in decline has a little incentive to join the bandwagon against China. The end of the Ukraine war will bring serious reconsideration in Europe about the benefits of propping up Washington’s desperate bid to maintain its global hegemony.

Europe will undergo increasing identity crisis in determining its future global role. Western Europeans will tire of subservience to the 75 year American domination of European foreign policy. Right now NATO is European foreign policy and Europe remains inexplicably timid in asserting any independent voice.How long will that prevail?

We now see how massive US sanctions against Russia, including confiscation of Russian funds in western banks, is causing most of the world to reconsider the wisdom of banking entirely on the US dollar into the future. Diversification of international economic instruments is already in the cards and willl only act to weaken Washington’s once dominant economic position and its unilateral weaponisation of the dollar.

One of the most disturbing features of this US-Russian struggle in Ukraine has been the utter corruption of independent media. Indeed Washington has won the information and propaganda war hands down, orchestrating all Western media to sing from the same hymnbook in characterizing the Ukraine war. The West has never before witnessed such a blanket imposition by one country’s ideologically-driven geopolitical perspective at home. Nor, of course, is the Russian press to be trusted either. In the midst of a virulent anti-Russian propaganda barrage whose likes I have never seen during my Cold Warrior days, serious analysts must dig deep these days to gain some objective understanding of what is actually taking place in Ukraine.

Would that this American media dominance that denies nearly all alternative voices were merely a blip occasioned by Ukraine events. But European elites are perhaps slowly coming to the realization that they have been stampeded into this position of total “unanimity”; cracks are already beginning to appear in the façade of “EU and NATO unity.” But the more dangerous implication is that as we head into future global crises, a genuine independent free press is largely disappearing, falling into the hands of corporate-dominated media close to policy circles , and now bolstered by electronic social media, all manipulating the narrative to its own ends. As we move into a predictably greater and more dangerous crises of instability through global warming, refugee flows, natural disasters, and likely new pandemics, rigorous state and corporate domination of the western media becomes very dangerous indeed to the future of democracy. We no longer hear alternative voices on Ukraine today.

Finally, Russia’s geopolitical character has very likely now decisively tilted towards Eurasia. Russians have sought for centuries to be accepted within Europe but have been consistently held at arms length. The West will not discuss a new strategic and security architecture. Ukraine has simply intensified this trend. Russian elites now no longer possess an alternative to accepting that its economic future lies in the Pacific where Vladivostok lies only one or two hours away by air from the vast economies of Beijing, Tokyo, and Seoul. China and Russia have now been decisively pushed ever more closely together specifically out of common concern to block unfettered US freedom of unilateral military and economic intervention around the world. That the US can split US-induced Russian and Chinese cooperation is a fantasy. Russia has scientific brilliance, abundant energy, rich rare minerals and metals, while global warming will increase the agricultural potential of Siberia. China has the capital, the markets, and the manpower to contribute to what becomes a natural partnership across Eurasia.

Sadly for Washington, nearly every single one of its expectations about this war are turning out to be incorrect. Indeed the West may come to look back at this moment as the final argument against following Washington’s quest for global dominance into ever newer and more dangerous and damaging confrontations with Eurasia. And most of the rest of the world–Latin America, India, the Middle East and Africa– find few national interests in this fundamentally American war against Russia.

https://grahamefuller.com/some-hard-thoughts-about-post-ukraine/

—Ron Unz

 
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  1. • Agree: AP, Philip Owen
    • Thanks: Pixo
    • LOL: SIMP simp
    • Replies: @nickels
    @Callsign Pidor

    Yeah totally.
    If I ever see arrows on a military map again I am going to puke.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Callsign Pidor

    Also, Russian car production is 20% of what it was before the invasion even though sanctions are not expected to bite hard until September. The sophisticated machine tools used in complex production are monitored from Germany, Italy and Sweden. Maintenance will be impossible. John Deere has already switched off GPS in occupied areas also for harvesters stolen from Melitopol and moved to Chechnya. Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don't know exactly about GE engines.

    It is not clear whether Russia was ever sincere about Minsk 2. Minsk 2 was a total imposition on Ukraine dictated by Lavrov. It was never meant to be implemented. Was that Lavrov being a pompous and triumphalist imperialist (very likely) or a mistake? If it was a mistake, this war was avoidable by negotiation to allow Ukraine into the EU but not into NATO. Personally, I think Russia/Putin's supporters have been totally insincere about peace since at least Febuary 2004 when the FSB took over the government.

    And yes, this conflict is extremely useful to the US. That said, the BRI is nothing much to worry about. The Spice Route has been in position for 500 years. It still serves its purpose. It dispaced the original Silk Road. Sea is always going to be cheaper than a land route. The BRI gives the world some additional capacity. India, the coming power, will still be on the Spice Route.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend

  2. I’ve only watched about an hour so far. The internet tells me Portal is 5′ 5″ tall, so I guess that means in real life he is 5′ 2″. That is 157 cm for all of you godless Europeans.

    Also when I looked that up google served me as a side dish some reddit post where a body weight fitness fan claims that everything Portal promotes that is actually useful he took from this guy:

    [MORE]

    Building the Gymnastic Body: The Science of Gymnastics Strength Training by Christopher Sommer

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I never had heard of this guy but I can to the same conclusions that he did. And one of my major influences was indeed Christopher Sommer, who I had heard of over 15 years ago but whose methods I never made a serious effort to apply.

    There were two things that really influenced me more than anything else: YouTube videos of a guy who practiced walking on his hands for a month and and made massive forearm and triceps gains while being able to achieve a PR in handstand pushups, a movement that he had not trained in the previous 2 months. The other thing that caught my interest was a video of a guy who walked 10 miles a day for a week and gained 1/4 of an inch on his calf (a body part notorious for refusing to grow) while losing 4lbs, which was a greater gain than he had made during a previous experiment where he did 10k calf raises a day for a month.

    It seems that the human body doesn't respond well to rote exercises. Since then I have switched over to a program based on static holds and I would like to eventually add sled pushing and pulling for my lower body.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  3. A123 says: • Website

    Mr Unz,

    The article has a critical problem. It does not address the fact that the U.S. has an unelected coup leader, Not-The-President Biden. For example:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    As the U.S. is incapable of leading. It is impossible for Europe to follow something that does not exist. The article should have said:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the European/WEF Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    Another example:

    Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world.

    The White House occupant is so far gone he cannot successfully ride a bicycle. A mental invalid cannot form a foreign policy “vision”. Thus, by process of elimination, the “vision” must be European in origin. The article should read:

    Europe is a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “EU leadership” in the world.

    Bottom line:

    — The Problem with Europe is *Europe*

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Incorrectly attributing Europe’s mistakes to America is the European WEF’s #1 backup plan. They seek to avoid responsibility for the actions of their EU Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: tyrone
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @TheJester

    , @Mikhail
    @A123

    Fuller's "secondary condemnation" category for the West is quite debatable for the very reason he gives about how Russia's reasonable requests were treated. For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn't be glossed over.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.
     
    Wrong again. Ukraine was "lured" into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia. The possibility of EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion, that wasn't even offered until after the third month of hostilities.

    Replies: @Derer

    , @Derer
    @A123

    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO - epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland's "fcuk the EU" line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  4. @A123
    Mr Unz,

    The article has a critical problem. It does not address the fact that the U.S. has an unelected coup leader, Not-The-President Biden. For example:


    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia.
     
    As the U.S. is incapable of leading. It is impossible for Europe to follow something that does not exist. The article should have said:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the European/WEF Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    Another example:


    Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world.
     
    The White House occupant is so far gone he cannot successfully ride a bicycle. A mental invalid cannot form a foreign policy “vision”. Thus, by process of elimination, the "vision" must be European in origin. The article should read:

    Europe is a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “EU leadership” in the world.

    Bottom line:

    -- The Problem with Europe is *Europe* --

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Incorrectly attributing Europe's mistakes to America is the European WEF's #1 backup plan. They seek to avoid responsibility for the actions of their EU Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.
     
    Let me Fix That For You:

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (European Elites) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @haha

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Ukraine has already become a de facto NATO client state, in case you haven't noticed. I can only see this relationship growing as time goes on. Putler, on the other hand, instead of "protecting" Kharkiv from NATO involvement, has solely opened up the opportunity for Norway and Finland to become full fledged members de jure, by his stupid actions. He's certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about. He's going to end up the big dummy in all of this, and as I predicted early on, China will end up being the big winner.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Callsign Pidor, @Pixo

    , @TheJester
    @Wokechoke


    "Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov."
     
    Then Putin realized that NATO and the EU are one and the same. Both are complementary parts of the same "hive mind" of technocrats who are equally susceptible to bribery and threats from the United States.

    The new Russian policy:

    "The Russian "special military operation" will continue until there is nothing left for NATO to defend or for the EU to acquire. Yes, this will take a long time since Russia is not "conquering" Ukraine. It is slowly absorbing it into the Russian Federation which requires Russia to maintain as much goodwill as possible with the current population of Ukraine ... especially the suppressed Russian demographic."
     
    This means that Russia will "eat" Ukrainian oblasts one at a time until there is nothing left of the country except the parts that constituted Polish eastern Galicia centered on Lviv that were awarded to Stalin in the 1939 German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact. This territory is historically Polish and would constitute a demographic existentially hostile to Russia and everything Russian. Let Poland and the EU deal with the NeoNazi "Banberites"!

    As part of the Russian systematic disassembly of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact and the dismemberment of contemporary Ukraine, expect Moldova (Bessarabia) and Northern Bolkavina to return to Romania, northern stretches of Ukraine to Belorussia, and parts of Transcarpathia to Hungary and Rumania.

    What gives credence to this scenario is that, according to one source, when present-day "Ukrainians" are given the opportunity to fill out Ukrainian government forms in Russian, 70% of the population exercise this option. Russia is perhaps betting victory in the Russian-Ukrainian War on this sentiment.

    As some Russian pundits describe it, the new territorial arrangements constitute a belated conclusion to WWII ... or as others describe it, the final chapter of the war that started in 1914 that may go down in history as the second "Hundred Years' War" in Europe.
  5. Kaliningrad situation is a significant development.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @prime noticer

    Would be interesting to see troop movements within Kalinlingrad & Belarus and find if something similar to the buildup last winter happens again. If so it is either WWIII (China already is planning to retake Taiwan and will put their plans into action once Europe is ablaze) and/or NATO collapses. Russia and China are taking up what was left unfinished by Germany and Japan.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  6. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @TheJester

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    Let me Fix That For You:

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (European Elites) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    NATO is the US. It's the Delian League (Athens) reborn.

    Replies: @SFG

    , @haha
    @A123

    A123, you have put forward an interesting perspective. However, it is difficult to assign agency to a militarily irrelevant, raw-material deprived, acutely energy-short Europe. Yes, you are right, the EU elites are a bunch of evil ..... (fill in the blanks) but these poor buggers are stupid beyond all limits and are treated as vassals by the US. Remember, the US bugging of German Chancellor's office? Consequences? None. Remember, Biden declared openly that Nordstream II was not going to be allowed to happen. What happened thereafter? The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line. Doesn't look like the Euro clowns are in the driver's seat though, of course, how they wish they were. Of course, they sometimes also delude themselves and pretend that they are steering world affairs.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  7. For anyone interested in a light online game, Tiny Islands is entertaining:

    https://dr-d-king.itch.io/tiny-islands

    PEACE 😇

     

  8. Interesting thread:

    Maybe Lithuania is actually on the right track. Perhaps rail traffic to Kaliningrad should be stopped completely.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader

    btw, it was initiative of a European Commision headed by von der Leyen, they sent explanatory letter to LT government where it was said that EU trade sanctions concerning specific goods transportation is also applicable to RF materials transportation into Kaliningrad through EU land.

    RF side knows this very well, they themselves said about it publicly lately (eg. RT interview with Kaliningrad's current governor) and called EU diplomatic representative in Moscow to arrive into RF foreign ministry in order to give official protest about that.

    I'd guess it may be just some kind of EU answer to recent RF gas blackmail when the flows turned off to Germany, Italy, France and Austria nearly by half atm.

    , @bob sykes
    @German_reader

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Beckow

  9. @German_reader
    Interesting thread:
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1538987949592875010

    Maybe Lithuania is actually on the right track. Perhaps rail traffic to Kaliningrad should be stopped completely.

    Replies: @sudden death, @bob sykes

    btw, it was initiative of a European Commision headed by von der Leyen, they sent explanatory letter to LT government where it was said that EU trade sanctions concerning specific goods transportation is also applicable to RF materials transportation into Kaliningrad through EU land.

    RF side knows this very well, they themselves said about it publicly lately (eg. RT interview with Kaliningrad’s current governor) and called EU diplomatic representative in Moscow to arrive into RF foreign ministry in order to give official protest about that.

    I’d guess it may be just some kind of EU answer to recent RF gas blackmail when the flows turned off to Germany, Italy, France and Austria nearly by half atm.

  10. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @TheJester

    Ukraine has already become a de facto NATO client state, in case you haven’t noticed. I can only see this relationship growing as time goes on. Putler, on the other hand, instead of “protecting” Kharkiv from NATO involvement, has solely opened up the opportunity for Norway and Finland to become full fledged members de jure, by his stupid actions. He’s certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about. He’s going to end up the big dummy in all of this, and as I predicted early on, China will end up being the big winner.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    And the Russians are going to kill every American and Brit they can get hold of in the Ukraine. It's a full blown war of extermination.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Callsign Pidor
    @Mr. Hack


    He’s certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about.

     

    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don't much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

    This is about Muscovian Imperialism, pure and simple. They have already annexed Belarus in all but name, now they want to actually annex Ukraine, the heartland of Ancient Rus.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Pixo
    @Mr. Hack

    “China will end up being the big winner.”

    If it convinces China invading Taiwan would be really stupid, yes.

    But the direct and immediate winners are non-Russian oil exporters, who are making ungodly profits even while they increase production. Venezuela and Iran especially are winners as the US quietly eases off on our economic warfare against them so they can export more oil.

    US profits from very high LNG export prices might end up more than covering the cost of the weapons Ukraine is getting.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  11. @A123
    Mr Unz,

    The article has a critical problem. It does not address the fact that the U.S. has an unelected coup leader, Not-The-President Biden. For example:


    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia.
     
    As the U.S. is incapable of leading. It is impossible for Europe to follow something that does not exist. The article should have said:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the European/WEF Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    Another example:


    Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world.
     
    The White House occupant is so far gone he cannot successfully ride a bicycle. A mental invalid cannot form a foreign policy “vision”. Thus, by process of elimination, the "vision" must be European in origin. The article should read:

    Europe is a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “EU leadership” in the world.

    Bottom line:

    -- The Problem with Europe is *Europe* --

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Incorrectly attributing Europe's mistakes to America is the European WEF's #1 backup plan. They seek to avoid responsibility for the actions of their EU Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    Fuller’s “secondary condemnation” category for the West is quite debatable for the very reason he gives about how Russia’s reasonable requests were treated. For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn’t be glossed over.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail


    For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn’t be glossed over.
     
    The Kiev regime ruthlessly suppresses fault lines: (1)

    Zelenskyy Officially Bans Ukraine’s Largest Opposition Political Party

    The definition of the modern “western democracy” in Ukraine is increasingly showcased as the goal for modern totalitarian government.
    ...
    What we see taking place in Ukraine is an outcropping of this newly defined ‘western democracy.’ Using a declaration of emergency power, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has now banned all opposition voices, taken control of broadcast media and now today banned the second largest political party in Ukraine. [Radio Free Europe Link]

    Ukraine’s Opposition Platform For Life (OPPL) was the second largest political force in the Ukraine Parliament. As of today, the party is officially banned by a Ukrainian court at the request of the Zelenskyy Ministry of Justice. All assets, funds and property belonging to OPPL have been seized and transferred to the state.
     

    -1- The European WEF are the brains behind this mess. They offered EU and NATO membership.

    -2- Ukraine acted on the European WEF's plans. At this point, the end of Ukrainian democracy proves Zelensky is a Europe compliant co-conspirator.

    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.

    After Ukraine is ground away, the European WEF will buy a new co-conspirator. And, the cycle will start all over again.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/20/zelenskyy-officially-bans-ukraines-largest-opposition-political-party/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  12. @A123
    Mr Unz,

    The article has a critical problem. It does not address the fact that the U.S. has an unelected coup leader, Not-The-President Biden. For example:


    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia.
     
    As the U.S. is incapable of leading. It is impossible for Europe to follow something that does not exist. The article should have said:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the European/WEF Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    Another example:


    Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world.
     
    The White House occupant is so far gone he cannot successfully ride a bicycle. A mental invalid cannot form a foreign policy “vision”. Thus, by process of elimination, the "vision" must be European in origin. The article should read:

    Europe is a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “EU leadership” in the world.

    Bottom line:

    -- The Problem with Europe is *Europe* --

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Incorrectly attributing Europe's mistakes to America is the European WEF's #1 backup plan. They seek to avoid responsibility for the actions of their EU Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Wrong again. Ukraine was “lured” into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia. The possibility of EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion, that wasn’t even offered until after the third month of hostilities.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Mr. Hack


    Wrong again. Ukraine was “lured” into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia.
     
    This is an illiterate understanding of the events. EU offered membership and US offered NATO (Crimea was selected for American military base), but pro-Russian president of Ukraine refused and therefore he was removed by US meddling (McCain, Nuland, Biden, CIA). "Fcuk the EU" explains the US opposition to EU membership. After 8 years of Ukies/Nazi killing ethnic Russians in Donbas, finally Russia decided to protect the Donbas by military presence.

    Your; "EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion" is a high caliber lunacy. Your hate of everything Russian has retarded your rational thinking.
  13. Today the Verkhovna Rada adopted a total of three important bills aimed at freeing the Ukrainian cultural and information space from Russian influences and stimulating the development of national cultural industries.

    All three received support from almost all factions and groups. More than 300 deputies voted in favor. Against – no vote.

    • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Hack

    The parties that would have voted "no" had already been banned.

    Replies: @AP

  14. @prime noticer
    Kaliningrad situation is a significant development.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Would be interesting to see troop movements within Kalinlingrad & Belarus and find if something similar to the buildup last winter happens again. If so it is either WWIII (China already is planning to retake Taiwan and will put their plans into action once Europe is ablaze) and/or NATO collapses. Russia and China are taking up what was left unfinished by Germany and Japan.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Why would Europe end up ablaze from Russia? Kyiv isn't even ablaze. At Russia's current and most optimistic 20km advance in 4 months speed, they will reach London in 50 years. Of course before then they would also actually have to fight countries that their domination didn't stop from having a functioning military until about 2016.

  15. @German_reader
    Interesting thread:
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1538987949592875010

    Maybe Lithuania is actually on the right track. Perhaps rail traffic to Kaliningrad should be stopped completely.

    Replies: @sudden death, @bob sykes

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @bob sykes

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    , @Mikhail
    @bob sykes


    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.
     
    Some small dogs can bark louder than some larger ones.
    , @Beckow
    @bob sykes

    It is only a partial blockade. What would Nato do if Russia blows up the Klaipeda LNG terminal? Would that be it?

    This is shaping up as the war for all marbles - nobody will step back. Within a few months this could be a regional war with the Balts, Belarus, Poles, Romanians joining in. If Russia moves further west it is very likely that Poland will move into Western Ukraine. At that point, the question will be: if Russia attacks them with missiles will that be an attack on Nato, or would it be considered an adventure by Poland on its own? (e.g. like Turkey attacks on Syria or Iraq)

  16. @bob sykes
    @German_reader

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Beckow

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Should I have taken the job offers in New Zealand I regularly get? That’s probably the best place in the world in case of nuclear war (southern hemisphere, small population, agriculture and seafood, civilized population, competent and functional government).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    , @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.
     
    The NS2 pipeline will never be started to feed Germany.

    This creates a simple opportunity for Putin. Russia builds a NS2 leg that connects to Kaliningrad. With the energy problem resolved, the oblast no longer 'needs' rail supply. This downgrades the crisis to mere inconvenience.

    PEACE 😇
  17. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.
     
    Let me Fix That For You:

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (European Elites) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @haha

    NATO is the US. It’s the Delian League (Athens) reborn.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @SFG
    @Wokechoke

    And we know who won that one…

  18. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Ukraine has already become a de facto NATO client state, in case you haven't noticed. I can only see this relationship growing as time goes on. Putler, on the other hand, instead of "protecting" Kharkiv from NATO involvement, has solely opened up the opportunity for Norway and Finland to become full fledged members de jure, by his stupid actions. He's certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about. He's going to end up the big dummy in all of this, and as I predicted early on, China will end up being the big winner.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Callsign Pidor, @Pixo

    And the Russians are going to kill every American and Brit they can get hold of in the Ukraine. It’s a full blown war of extermination.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    All 6 of them? Wow!

    Replies: @sudden death, @Derer

  19. @bob sykes
    @German_reader

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Beckow

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    Some small dogs can bark louder than some larger ones.

  20. @bob sykes
    @German_reader

    The Lithuanian blockade of Kaliningrad is a major step towards WW III. They have also confronted China over the status of Taiwan. o, we now have two major escalations by a US puppet regime against both Russia ans China. Welcome to WW III.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Beckow

    It is only a partial blockade. What would Nato do if Russia blows up the Klaipeda LNG terminal? Would that be it?

    This is shaping up as the war for all marbles – nobody will step back. Within a few months this could be a regional war with the Balts, Belarus, Poles, Romanians joining in. If Russia moves further west it is very likely that Poland will move into Western Ukraine. At that point, the question will be: if Russia attacks them with missiles will that be an attack on Nato, or would it be considered an adventure by Poland on its own? (e.g. like Turkey attacks on Syria or Iraq)

  21. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    And the Russians are going to kill every American and Brit they can get hold of in the Ukraine. It's a full blown war of extermination.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    All 6 of them? Wow!

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Mr. Hack


    What would Nato do if Russia blows up the Klaipeda LNG terminal?
     
    It should be mentioned that main floating FSRU type vessel stationed there, named "Independence", is not even Lithuanian property atm, it belongs to another NATO country - Norwegian company "Hoegh" is the owner.
    , @Derer
    @Mr. Hack

    The Ukraine is run by US embassy in Kiev and that is more than 6 people. BTW US embassy in Moscow is 1000 people strong, half of that is CIA. I am not sure if they left.

    Replies: @216

  22. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    All 6 of them? Wow!

    Replies: @sudden death, @Derer

    What would Nato do if Russia blows up the Klaipeda LNG terminal?

    It should be mentioned that main floating FSRU type vessel stationed there, named “Independence”, is not even Lithuanian property atm, it belongs to another NATO country – Norwegian company “Hoegh” is the owner.

  23. S says:

    To confirm with the survey posted by German Reader above, it feels like there is some dark magic here.

    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR. However, it has to be said, as with a great many things which parallel between Capitalism and Communism, the United States also has historically had an abundance of occultism present.

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.

    That’s an easy one.

    The letter ‘Z’ is the ‘trigger’ for the global group mind (or, the public mind) to know that World War III has commenced. The ‘programming’ for this largely occurred with the 2013 release of Brad Pitt’s World War Z, which was about a global pandemic occurring simultaneously with a world war. The movie raked in over a half billion dollars, so there’s no question large numbers of people globally saw the film.

    The 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate featured the red Queen of Diamonds card as a trigger for the central character. [See clip(s) below] Once the character had been so triggered he entered into a trance state where he could be ordered to do anything, including assassinating a presidential candidate, and afterwards forget everything.

    While I seriously question if people can be that tightly controlled through brainwashing, even today, it does seem people can be psychologically conditioned via the corporate mass media to be triggered by the sight of certain objects, and respond in some uncomplicated manner. The red ‘MAGA’ baseball cap and the violent response it elicited from many would seem to be an example of this.

    ‘Z’ I would propose is another.

    What two experts on the subject of propaganda had to say about the motion picture (ie ‘movies’):

    ‘The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture [ie motion picture] when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.’

    — Elmer Davis, Chief of US Office of War Information (1942-45), as quoted in Hollywood Goes to War 

    ‘The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today.’

    —Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, and author of the 1928 book Propaganda

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/017/618/pepefroggie.jpg

    The funniest video of 2017 is Richard Spencer getting sucker punched by the antifa faggot while showing the television reporter his pepe pin.

    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar's name.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )

    Replies: @S

    , @AP
    @S


    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR
     
    Witches had good business in the late Soviet era and in the 1990s. Astrology was popular and Soviet elites had the most skilled astrologists. Gorbachev allegedly traveled in a pattern that followed his astrological consultant’s advice. Of course, Nancy Reagan was also using astrologists and taking their advice seriously.
  24. @Mr. Hack
    Today the Verkhovna Rada adopted a total of three important bills aimed at freeing the Ukrainian cultural and information space from Russian influences and stimulating the development of national cultural industries.

    All three received support from almost all factions and groups. More than 300 deputies voted in favor. Against - no vote.

    Replies: @Dave Pinsen

    The parties that would have voted “no” had already been banned.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dave Pinsen

    True, but they wouldn’t have enough votes to stop it anyways. They had about 30% support at most even before the invasion, much less afterwards.

  25. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Ukraine has already become a de facto NATO client state, in case you haven't noticed. I can only see this relationship growing as time goes on. Putler, on the other hand, instead of "protecting" Kharkiv from NATO involvement, has solely opened up the opportunity for Norway and Finland to become full fledged members de jure, by his stupid actions. He's certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about. He's going to end up the big dummy in all of this, and as I predicted early on, China will end up being the big winner.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Callsign Pidor, @Pixo

    He’s certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about.

    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don’t much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

    This is about Muscovian Imperialism, pure and simple. They have already annexed Belarus in all but name, now they want to actually annex Ukraine, the heartland of Ancient Rus.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Callsign Pidor


    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don’t much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
     
    Their latest imperial grunt now is that they don't care? Initially they were posturing with threats. Well, what can they say now once its a fait accompli? Threaten to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons? I think that they've already done that and it hasn't worked. All that this has done is given Pat Buchanan and Philip Giladi things to write about. Oh, and kremlnstoogeA123.
  26. @Dave Pinsen
    @Mr. Hack

    The parties that would have voted "no" had already been banned.

    Replies: @AP

    True, but they wouldn’t have enough votes to stop it anyways. They had about 30% support at most even before the invasion, much less afterwards.

  27. If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians, their leaders would probably be talked into filling up all the empty space with migrants.

    Better to keep the elderly Russians and give them antisenescents.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
    @songbird


    If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians
     
    Russians and migrants both would raise the crime and STD rates of the Baltics.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    You mean that their elderly Russians are that virile? Wow, a race of true superbeings. Does Karlin realize this? I think that if he did, he wouldn't be wasting his time fooling around with cryogenics. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  28. SpaceX launched three Falcon 9s in 36.5 hours, beating previous commercial records. Obviously, something of a stunt.

    Makes me wonder how much of it was meant for the Russians. (And how much against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter)

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    Makes me wonder how of it was against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter
     
    Well, Musk has his own problems.

    One of his eldest sons has apparently become a tranny and severed ties with his father. Maybe this explains Musk's recent outbursts against wokeness. It stole one of his children, quite literally.

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents' political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Hilariously, or perhaps omniously, his current on-again-off-again gf scolded him for transphobia a few years ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/GS7aZ82.jpg

    Replies: @silviosilver, @songbird, @Barbarossa

  29. @Callsign Pidor
    @Mr. Hack


    He’s certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about.

     

    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don't much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

    This is about Muscovian Imperialism, pure and simple. They have already annexed Belarus in all but name, now they want to actually annex Ukraine, the heartland of Ancient Rus.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    NATO expansion was just an excuse, the Russians have already said they don’t much care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO.

    Their latest imperial grunt now is that they don’t care? Initially they were posturing with threats. Well, what can they say now once its a fait accompli? Threaten to destroy the whole world with nuclear weapons? I think that they’ve already done that and it hasn’t worked. All that this has done is given Pat Buchanan and Philip Giladi things to write about. Oh, and kremlnstoogeA123.

  30. @songbird
    If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians, their leaders would probably be talked into filling up all the empty space with migrants.

    Better to keep the elderly Russians and give them antisenescents.

    Replies: @Callsign Pidor, @Mr. Hack

    If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians

    Russians and migrants both would raise the crime and STD rates of the Baltics.

  31. @songbird
    If the Balts somehow got rid of their Russians, their leaders would probably be talked into filling up all the empty space with migrants.

    Better to keep the elderly Russians and give them antisenescents.

    Replies: @Callsign Pidor, @Mr. Hack

    You mean that their elderly Russians are that virile? Wow, a race of true superbeings. Does Karlin realize this? I think that if he did, he wouldn’t be wasting his time fooling around with cryogenics. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Cato the Elder had his first son when he was 80.

    Replies: @S

  32. @S
    @Dmitry

    To confirm with the survey posted by German Reader above, it feels like there is some dark magic here.
     
    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR. However, it has to be said, as with a great many things which parallel between Capitalism and Communism, the United States also has historically had an abundance of occultism present.

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.
     
    That's an easy one.

    The letter 'Z' is the 'trigger' for the global group mind (or, the public mind) to know that World War III has commenced. The 'programming' for this largely occurred with the 2013 release of Brad Pitt's World War Z, which was about a global pandemic occurring simultaneously with a world war. The movie raked in over a half billion dollars, so there's no question large numbers of people globally saw the film.

    https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/world-war-z-moscow-kremlin-red-square.jpg


    The 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate featured the red Queen of Diamonds card as a trigger for the central character. [See clip(s) below] Once the character had been so triggered he entered into a trance state where he could be ordered to do anything, including assassinating a presidential candidate, and afterwards forget everything.


    https://youtu.be/p3ZnaRMhD_A


    While I seriously question if people can be that tightly controlled through brainwashing, even today, it does seem people can be psychologically conditioned via the corporate mass media to be triggered by the sight of certain objects, and respond in some uncomplicated manner. The red 'MAGA' baseball cap and the violent response it elicited from many would seem to be an example of this.

    'Z' I would propose is another.

    What two experts on the subject of propaganda had to say about the motion picture (ie 'movies'):

    'The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture [ie motion picture] when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.'

    — Elmer Davis, Chief of US Office of War Information (1942-45), as quoted in Hollywood Goes to War 

    'The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today.'

    ---Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, and author of the 1928 book Propaganda

    https://youtu.be/ZyoNRU0PnaQ

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Z_(film)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate_(1962_film)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Davis

    https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/2559-edward-bernays

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    The funniest video of 2017 is Richard Spencer getting sucker punched by the antifa faggot while showing the television reporter his pepe pin.

    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar’s name.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar’s name.
     
    Thanks. Yes, the almost unkillable Rasputin. I'd have to think there's been at least one film representation of him that has been made. That might be interesting to see.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )
     
    Of course not. The Unz readership is far too sophisticated for that sort of thing. :-)

    I suppose I'm a bit more concerned about Mary Todd Lincoln having seances in the White House and Nancy Reagan having an astrologer to 'adjust' the White House schedule.

    Not to pick on the women. I'm sure there was more than one male occupant of the White House whom had an interest in the occult.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  33. How quickly would the arms shipments stop, if Ukraine banned that gay Disney movie? (Latest)

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Won't. You're confusing the signaling with actual geopolitics (blundering or not).

  34. AP says:
    @S
    @Dmitry

    To confirm with the survey posted by German Reader above, it feels like there is some dark magic here.
     
    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR. However, it has to be said, as with a great many things which parallel between Capitalism and Communism, the United States also has historically had an abundance of occultism present.

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.
     
    That's an easy one.

    The letter 'Z' is the 'trigger' for the global group mind (or, the public mind) to know that World War III has commenced. The 'programming' for this largely occurred with the 2013 release of Brad Pitt's World War Z, which was about a global pandemic occurring simultaneously with a world war. The movie raked in over a half billion dollars, so there's no question large numbers of people globally saw the film.

    https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/world-war-z-moscow-kremlin-red-square.jpg


    The 1962 film The Manchurian Candidate featured the red Queen of Diamonds card as a trigger for the central character. [See clip(s) below] Once the character had been so triggered he entered into a trance state where he could be ordered to do anything, including assassinating a presidential candidate, and afterwards forget everything.


    https://youtu.be/p3ZnaRMhD_A


    While I seriously question if people can be that tightly controlled through brainwashing, even today, it does seem people can be psychologically conditioned via the corporate mass media to be triggered by the sight of certain objects, and respond in some uncomplicated manner. The red 'MAGA' baseball cap and the violent response it elicited from many would seem to be an example of this.

    'Z' I would propose is another.

    What two experts on the subject of propaganda had to say about the motion picture (ie 'movies'):

    'The easiest way to inject a propaganda idea into most people’s minds is to let it go through the medium of an entertainment picture [ie motion picture] when they do not realize that they are being propagandized.'

    — Elmer Davis, Chief of US Office of War Information (1942-45), as quoted in Hollywood Goes to War 

    'The American motion picture is the greatest unconscious carrier of propaganda in the world today.'

    ---Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud, and author of the 1928 book Propaganda

    https://youtu.be/ZyoNRU0PnaQ

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Z_(film)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Manchurian_Candidate_(1962_film)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Davis

    https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/2559-edward-bernays

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP

    Years ago I too had heard that, seemingly incongruously, there was quite a bit of occultism practiced in the USSR

    Witches had good business in the late Soviet era and in the 1990s. Astrology was popular and Soviet elites had the most skilled astrologists. Gorbachev allegedly traveled in a pattern that followed his astrological consultant’s advice. Of course, Nancy Reagan was also using astrologists and taking their advice seriously.

  35. @Wokechoke
    @bob sykes

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    Should I have taken the job offers in New Zealand I regularly get? That’s probably the best place in the world in case of nuclear war (southern hemisphere, small population, agriculture and seafood, civilized population, competent and functional government).

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    The Moaoris would enjoy eating you and your family after the shit hits the fan. That will be the only viable group in New Zealand. They aren't going to call it New Zealand.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @acementhead

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm a board member of a non-profit in Costa Rica that was set-up in great measure to offer a sanctuary in case such an eventuality were to occur. New Zealand is high on my bucket list, as is the Philippines in that part of the world. At least go for an interview.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  36. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    Another month, no substantial Russian advance. No capturing of strategically useful territory. And no encirclement, or otherwise decisive defeat, of Ukrainian forces.

    Indeed, Ukrainian forces are now transitioning to NATO kit. This means that Ukraine has de facto entered NATO because of the Russian invasion. Sweden and Finland will join too, but formally.

    Meanwhile, Russia’s Central Bank is now predicting a 15% collapse in Russia’s economy.

    At this rate, it will take decades to even reach Kyiv. Nevermind Russia then having to deal with an insurgency, which will only end when they leave. And of course, these minute Russian advances can reverse at any time.

    Like, seriously, what is the point?

    Does anyone seriously doubt that, had Putin a time machine to go back to Feb 23rd, he would never have launched this murderous invasion? He would instead have sent troops to formally occupy the parts of the Donbas which Russia had already stolen, and called it quits. There would have been only minor repercussions. Ukraine had all but already accepted it. And tens of thousands of innocents would not have been slaughtered and their blood would not be staining Russian nationhood.

    [MORE]

    Also, Graham Fuller is some 84 year old has-been looking for Russian money to support his inadequate analytical retirement. Hopefully not yet another paedo like Ritter. He’s written a lot of books and wants some attention. You can see that he is not serious because he writes about “Russia winning” without being able to even begin to describe what “winning” for Russia actually consists of. Probably another crank-for-hire in the making. A good subject for sniggers at chats between old colleagues, but selling absolute nonsense. Hat tip Graham: if something is “inexplicable” to you, perhaps you are wrong about the facts. But let’s hope the Russians wheel you in to replace Ritter, I am tired of his bizarrely bloated face.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    This is the hardest part of the war – defense lines.


    Another month, no substantial Russian advance. No capturing of strategically useful territory. And no encirclement, or otherwise decisive defeat, of Ukrainian forces.
     
    This is a large map. You can open it in a separate tab.

    https://i.postimg.cc/zBCCR0w4/Ukraine-20-06-2022.png

    The fighting is going along the fortification lines. The Ukrainians are sitting there protected, there are bunkers. But the Russians are getting through, taking a small town here and there, one after one and losing the cauldron.

    That cannot be done faster since there are four bigger towns in the middle that have to be encircled, so the Russians are working that corridor. The fat blue line on the right is the Ukrainian forces.

    Apart from that there are air strikes in the south.

    Ukraine is losing equipment the Russians let the deliver it and then demolish it – this happened to be cheaper than using cruise missiles and striking the hangars, but air strikes happen on a regular basis as well.

    The amount of aid that Ukraine is getting is insufficient.
  37. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Yellowface Anon
    @prime noticer

    Would be interesting to see troop movements within Kalinlingrad & Belarus and find if something similar to the buildup last winter happens again. If so it is either WWIII (China already is planning to retake Taiwan and will put their plans into action once Europe is ablaze) and/or NATO collapses. Russia and China are taking up what was left unfinished by Germany and Japan.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Why would Europe end up ablaze from Russia? Kyiv isn’t even ablaze. At Russia’s current and most optimistic 20km advance in 4 months speed, they will reach London in 50 years. Of course before then they would also actually have to fight countries that their domination didn’t stop from having a functioning military until about 2016.

  38. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Should I have taken the job offers in New Zealand I regularly get? That’s probably the best place in the world in case of nuclear war (southern hemisphere, small population, agriculture and seafood, civilized population, competent and functional government).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    The Moaoris would enjoy eating you and your family after the shit hits the fan. That will be the only viable group in New Zealand. They aren’t going to call it New Zealand.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It is amazing how envy not only affects peoples actions, but actually completely distorts their view of the world, geopolitics and even gives them an instant opinion on something that they are truly completely ignorant of.

    , @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    They’re like 10% of the population there. The local Europeans aren’t dependent on outside forces to keep them from taking control.

    Replies: @Lurker

    , @acementhead
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They aren’t going to call it New Zealand.
     
    New Zealand has already been renamed 'Aotearoa' by the lunatic left-wing government of NZ. White taxpayers are paying tens of millions of dollars(could be over a hundred million- I haven't tried to look it up) a year for some 'Maori' academics to invent a new language, that they call "Te Reo", that is being forced on the people of NZ. The Maori gangs are armed and they have tens of thousands of members. The Ardern government finances them. White New Zealanders have been near totally disarmed.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  39. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Should I have taken the job offers in New Zealand I regularly get? That’s probably the best place in the world in case of nuclear war (southern hemisphere, small population, agriculture and seafood, civilized population, competent and functional government).

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack

    I’m a board member of a non-profit in Costa Rica that was set-up in great measure to offer a sanctuary in case such an eventuality were to occur. New Zealand is high on my bucket list, as is the Philippines in that part of the world. At least go for an interview.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    All that brave talk and you guys want to bail? Let's have some cojones, Costa-rica or New Zealand can wait. I am a lot more exposed, and yet the food is great, hills are lush, apricots ripened, and the Ukie girls are everywhere.

    Stick it out, this will rise to a 20-30% risk with some extreme drama. Then Russia will finish pacifying Ukraine, Europe will grudgingly make up, Nato will shoot some reindeer and Black See will become a Russian lake.

    US will be just what it was always meant to be - a big fat guy talking a lot but with nobody listening, UK will blame it on mad BoJo and Sholz will go back to his accounting ledgers. The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland - the proper North-West where they yearn to be, away from the Asiatic Moskali.

    Fun and games all around, too bad tens of thousands of Ukr men won't be around to rediscover the pleasures of reading Tolstoy and get in early on the coming Black See coast real estate boom. But the girls will mostly stay so it will be all good.

    What a stupid unnecessary provocation have the unhinged neo-con liberals concocted: woke up one morning and decided that another Iraq right on the Russian border would be great - arms, promises, threats, edging closer and closer - until the local power smithed it all down. China and Taiwan would go roughly the same way. How long are you guys going to humor these map-reading morons and dreamers? Or you would rather move to New Zealand?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    I was somewhat facetious, I am too grounded now to move, it’s something I might have considered if I was younger, before having kids. But in case of global nuclear war it would probably be the best place (Australia has too many people to feed, Argentina might be okay but it is poorer and more corrupt, forget South Africa).

  40. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    The Moaoris would enjoy eating you and your family after the shit hits the fan. That will be the only viable group in New Zealand. They aren't going to call it New Zealand.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @acementhead

    It is amazing how envy not only affects peoples actions, but actually completely distorts their view of the world, geopolitics and even gives them an instant opinion on something that they are truly completely ignorant of.

  41. This is a reply for AP from the older page.

    Hello apey.

    [MORE]
    Beginning on the high note.

    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same. Tell me what’s the difference between that and what you are doing. Bet there’s not much if any.

    I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik.

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.

    You said that the flat used to belong to a Bolshevik and that it was “our old flat” so don’t blame me – that’s not my ideas but your own words. Like any stupid liar you get confused in your own bullshit. You said that.

    So either you were lying then, or you are lying now.

    If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.

    You need to get to back your senses, idiot. No one cares what you imagine about yourself, but it’s obvious that you are inadequate. You are a narcissist.

    You would have been a fine menial worker, but the Soviets turned your kind into imitation officers or doctors, into Sharikovs who pretend to know things.

    Do not cross the red lines, piece of shit. You have no idea who were those doctors and officers. Do not insult them – insult me. You will eat a peck of dirt for it every time you do it. Like any narcissist you like being humiliated.

    No problem.

    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references, which were presented to you for examination, dear professor. Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me, as you have been told as well.

    The research referenced in my comment is the best available, so if you want to discuss that you are welcome, if not keep talking yourself.

    When multiracial are Hispanics, they are not the same multiracial as on the TIMMS, which DOES include a Hispanic category.

    Why would it be so, if only not because it fits your false argument. There is an article explaining that, regarding the US census, that how people identify themselves has been changing. See below, the number of Multiracial Americans going up from 3.2% to 10.2% in two years.

    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.

    But considering that the amount of these Hispanics – what a mess in the heads, is changing, it appears that a number of those counted there as the Hispanics are now considered Multiracial, but perhaps then they weren’t.

    So with this data it really makes no sense trying to derive the average score of the ethnic Russians, and let alone compare it to that of the American whites, which is given, and as well as making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.

    There are no other sources except those aforementioned, and the data is good enough to compare a nation to a nation, but not one ethnic group to the other, which was the point in my initial comment that you dismissed, saying that only the white Americans matter, or something like that.

    You were correct that there’s lack of correlation, but wrong about the idea that Multiracial group includes Hispanics – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. However since the number of the Multiracial group has been growing, it was an error to count them as 10.2 percent as well. We were both wrong.

    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

    A lot of people in Afghanistan belong to the same group, and a significant amount of the Swedes do, but that doesn’t mean that those Afghans are Swedes, does that, professor, because according to your logic it does.

    There is no ethnic group that is homogeneous. All are composite, and a lot of factors come into the view when we take a closer look, but it doesn’t mean either that we should dismiss what’s obvious, and that is that both Tatars and the Chuvash people are Mongoloid.

    Likewise Finno-Ugric doesn’t mean that the people are somewhat akin to the Finns and Hungarians, especially when we are talking about the peoples of Siberia.

    Sámi and Komi sometimes look the same as Hungarians and Finns, and sometimes very Asiatic, and Mansi and Mari people are even more Asiatic. The Finno-Ugric peoples are not European, they are Eurasian. And that doesn’t mean anything related to their intelligence.

    That’s not how it works.

    Haven’t you seen many Volga Tatars?

    Have seen some on TV. They are light skinned but with Mongoloid features, dark haired.

    So?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references
     

    They are more recent references but they are not better, because they are merely estimates of IQ based on PISA scores and not measures of IQ itself.

    When Russian IQ was measured the actual scores were 96.5 on average (personally, I think it might be a little low, but that's what it is).


    Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me
     
    Sharikjv can't read. The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009 .

    As we have seen and will see again, you are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims.

    The authors made a study in which the Russian IQ was about 103. The same authors explained that this was the overall average Russian IQ but higher because the sample were kids of professionals in an urban area. The actual average Russian IQ, according to the authors, was 96.5.

    You chose to believe the author's 103 but not their 96.5.


    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.
     
    In the TIMMS study, you wanted the number of White-performing Americans to be the same percentage of the population as the number of ethnic Russians in Russia. However, they are not. Russians are about 80% of Russia's population.

    Since blacks are about 13% and Hispanics about 18% of America's population, Americans that do not belong to those two groups are only about 70% of America's population.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are equally comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.
     

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average (as you proved in your other post), this would not be enough to close the gap with the white Americans.

    TIMMS, science, grade 4: US Whites: 570; Russians: 567
    TIMMS, science, grade 8: US Whites: 557; Russians: 544


    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

     

    In that part of the world (the Volga) R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin. And I never claimed Finns, but Finnic.

    Wiki, about Chuvash:

    These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not directly related to the Turkic and Mongolic people along their maternal line but supports the hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group—leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of European origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Slavic and Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers.

    The MtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% Caucasoid, 9.1% Mongoloid and 1.8% unidentifie

    Here are Chuvash people, for example:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80_%D1%87%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D1%85%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BF%D1%83._XIX_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA._%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D1%8B_%28%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8%29.jpg/1200px-thumbnail.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Atner_Huzangaj.jpg

    Kind of what one would expect of a people who are 10% or so Asian.

    Volga Tatars are about twice as Asian as Chuvash - 20% or so.


    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same.
     

    I don't want to provide too may details in order to avoid doxxing myself. I am some sort doctoral level medical professional (PharmD, MD, DO, PhD) working in healthcare.

    Moscow is the nicest large city in the world, and even though through connections I could have gotten a job there, I wouldn't be able to justify the 10x salary differential by staying in that city permanently.


    "I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik."

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.
     

    No it doesn't, Sharikov. When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as "my place" or "our place," whether it be a house or apartment. It does not necessarily mean owning the deed to the property. It's owned by relatives, we lived there when we lived in Moscow, we stay there when we visit, and maybe will live there again.

    "If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.
     

    It seems that you do have an unhealthy obsession, Sharikov, because you keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Here Be Dragon

  42. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    @A123

    Fuller's "secondary condemnation" category for the West is quite debatable for the very reason he gives about how Russia's reasonable requests were treated. For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn't be glossed over.

    Replies: @A123

    For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn’t be glossed over.

    The Kiev regime ruthlessly suppresses fault lines: (1)

    Zelenskyy Officially Bans Ukraine’s Largest Opposition Political Party

    The definition of the modern “western democracy” in Ukraine is increasingly showcased as the goal for modern totalitarian government.

    What we see taking place in Ukraine is an outcropping of this newly defined ‘western democracy.’ Using a declaration of emergency power, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has now banned all opposition voices, taken control of broadcast media and now today banned the second largest political party in Ukraine. [Radio Free Europe Link]

    Ukraine’s Opposition Platform For Life (OPPL) was the second largest political force in the Ukraine Parliament. As of today, the party is officially banned by a Ukrainian court at the request of the Zelenskyy Ministry of Justice. All assets, funds and property belonging to OPPL have been seized and transferred to the state.

    -1- The European WEF are the brains behind this mess. They offered EU and NATO membership.

    -2- Ukraine acted on the European WEF’s plans. At this point, the end of Ukrainian democracy proves Zelensky is a Europe compliant co-conspirator.

    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.

    After Ukraine is ground away, the European WEF will buy a new co-conspirator. And, the cycle will start all over again.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/20/zelenskyy-officially-bans-ukraines-largest-opposition-political-party/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.
     
    kremlinstoogeA123 does not disappoint once again! His newest conspiracy theory is truly epic in its magnitude. He should take to the pen and write some sort of a spy novel from it and make some money out of it. On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia's neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this WWII political cartoon. But I do like kremlinstoogesA123's slight twist of the original idea. In the past, it was America (or its proxy Great Britain) that was pulling the strings against Russia in Europe, but today according to kremlinstoogeA123, it's the other way around. Bravo!

    https://origins.osu.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/1925.jpg :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  43. How many mainstream Chinese movies have a half-Russian/half-Chinese character that is depicted unfavorably in some way?

    “Hi, Mom” had a fat, ugly girl character that was unfeminine.

    “The Eight Hundred” had a prostitute, who however was patriotic because her “father” was Chinese.

  44. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke
    @bob sykes

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    Replies: @AP, @A123

    Kaliningrad is one of the real nuclear trip wires. The Balts are terrifying me.

    The NS2 pipeline will never be started to feed Germany.

    This creates a simple opportunity for Putin. Russia builds a NS2 leg that connects to Kaliningrad. With the energy problem resolved, the oblast no longer ‘needs’ rail supply. This downgrades the crisis to mere inconvenience.

    PEACE 😇

  45. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/017/618/pepefroggie.jpg

    The funniest video of 2017 is Richard Spencer getting sucker punched by the antifa faggot while showing the television reporter his pepe pin.

    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar's name.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )

    Replies: @S

    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar’s name.

    Thanks. Yes, the almost unkillable Rasputin. I’d have to think there’s been at least one film representation of him that has been made. That might be interesting to see.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )

    Of course not. The Unz readership is far too sophisticated for that sort of thing. 🙂

    I suppose I’m a bit more concerned about Mary Todd Lincoln having seances in the White House and Nancy Reagan having an astrologer to ‘adjust’ the White House schedule.

    Not to pick on the women. I’m sure there was more than one male occupant of the White House whom had an interest in the occult.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zz0sHu-m7s

    Replies: @S

  46. German_reader says:

    Panzerhaubitzen 2000 from Germany and the Netherlands have been delivered to Ukraine:

    But yeah, Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
    @German_reader

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1539615893663121408

  47. @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    There is a fine occult scholar of Valentin Tornberg who reports that Lenin and Stalin had black magicians like Marina whats-her-name on staff. You may have heard of Rasputin. Charlotte something is the occult scholar’s name.
     
    Thanks. Yes, the almost unkillable Rasputin. I'd have to think there's been at least one film representation of him that has been made. That might be interesting to see.

    Nobody on unz dot com believes any of this superstitious nonsense. : )
     
    Of course not. The Unz readership is far too sophisticated for that sort of thing. :-)

    I suppose I'm a bit more concerned about Mary Todd Lincoln having seances in the White House and Nancy Reagan having an astrologer to 'adjust' the White House schedule.

    Not to pick on the women. I'm sure there was more than one male occupant of the White House whom had an interest in the occult.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I knew it. The subject material was just too rich for film makers to pass upon. Rasputin and his story is a case of the truth being stranger than fiction, no doubt. I was a little surprised to see Rickman playing the role, though he did a good job.

    The guy wouldn't go down. Taking into account his enemies, he must have had some really powerful guardian angels protecting him.

    To be sure, of course, considering some of Rasputin's personal behaviour, one couldn't be entirely too sure which side of the dividing line his particular protecting angels may have hailed from. :-(

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  48. This is another one for apey.

    You are of course an idiot apey but the topic seems interesting to me.

    [MORE]
    Here is something to consider. For your convenience there’s a link again. Open the map in a separate tab.

    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.

    No it doesn’t and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it’s lower than the average, that’s not hard to demonstrate.

    Let’s take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group.

    Doing this we can exclude ethnic minorities as much as possible, with as little error as possible, considering that these 20 regions are as well the most populous and none of them contains a significant presence of a particular ethnic group, but the Russians.

    The statistics was taken from here – https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Not all of the regions with the highest share of ethnic Russians are featured in the map so one or two had to be skipped, but it doesn’t matter, those were regular areas. The idea is to calculate the average score for the largest possible number of ethnic Russians with as little interference or influence from other ethnic groups, as possible.

    To do that, these regions were chosen. The share of ethnic Russians is in percentage, followed with the IQ and the population number is the general population, including minorities followed with the number of ethnic Russians.

    The principle is simple. Moscow has the largest population – 12 615 279 people, of whom 91.6% are ethnic Russians, which makes 11 555 595 of them, and their average IQ is 106.3 giving us the sum total of 1 228 359 808 points.

    Therefore continuing to count like this, one region after another, in the order of decreasing number of ethnic Russians, we an accumulate a pool of more than 50 million people, and that’s about a half of all Russians in the federation sampled from the regions with their share of 95.0 average; this is as accurate as we can get.

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

    These are the most populous regions with the largest share of ethnic Russians, with the population of ethnic Russians alone, not counting the minorities, being 50 422 253 people.

    The number of the minorities, subtracted from the general amount is 3 477 070 people, i.e. 6.45% of it, and the ethnic belonging of these minorities is for the most part Ukrainian and Belarusian, so there’s no influence of much higher or lower scores.

    Having added the IQ points of all these people, as has been shown, we get sum total of 5 098 710 046 points, that’s for 50 422 253 people. So the average score for the ethnic Russians we get is 101.2 – higher than Tatarstan, 99.5 and higher than Chuvashia, 100.2 and higher than any other national republic in the federation.

    This method includes regions from various areas, from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific ocean, the percentage of minorities is minimal the number of participants is huge. There are no Ashkenazim in the mix, no Chinese or Japanese or other high IQ people, so the result is accurate.

    The average score for the ethnic Russians we get here is 101.2 – and that’s higher than for any other group on the map.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Map:

    https://postlmg.cc/bZs0hfF4


    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.

    No it doesn’t and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it’s lower than the average, that’s not hard to demonstrate.

    Let’s take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group....

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

     

    You conveniently excluded ethnic Russian regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You ignored Irkutskaya Oblast (Russian population 91.41%, almost the same as Moscow's 91.65%) - which has an average estimated IQ of only 92.9.

    You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions of Russians involved lower-IQ Russians.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow's high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ from this study, which is would probably be around 100.5 or so. Still slightly higher than Chuvashes (I admit I was wrong on that point) but practically the same as them.*

    Moreover, this IQ estimate is based on PISA scores. We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-russias-iq/

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

    Average White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites (546) but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg (519) and higher than all other Russians.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104.

    But we know that in reality it is 101.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points.

    So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.

    Which number is higher Sharikov, 101 or 97.5?

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. Just not smarter than Muscovites.

    You have failed again and as usual.

    As I said, failing is what you do best.

    Nice work, though.

    *Moreover, the Russian advantage over Tatars (about 2 IQ points) is much smaller than the white American advantage over Blacks (~15 points) or Hispanics (~10 points), so it is incorrect to treat Tatars as a low-performing group akin to Blacks and Hispanics vis a vis Whites.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  49. A lot of misconceptions are peddled here by Fuller. Too many for me to refute in a comment. However, one stood out.

    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

    Firstly, before the Incursion in February, the USD stood at 81 Rubles, and the Euro 85.7 Rubles. Today the USD buys 54 Rubles and the Euro 58 Rubles, depreciations of 33% approximately. The Ruble will continue to strengthen as the American and European economies weaken. Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD. I would not be surprised if it shortly went back to that level, or appreciated even more. So, in future, Russian energy will not be “inexpensive”. The era of cheap Russian energy is over.

    Secondly, European customers may find it difficult to buy Russian oil, gas and coal at all. The Russians are re-routing their supplies to Asia and elsewhere. In April 2022, more oil went to Asia than to Europe – the first time ever. In any business relationship, the question of trust is very important. For years now, the Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West. As vendors, the Russians would rather sell to states with which they have stable, predictable relations.

    In future, Russia will sell less and less oil. gas and coal to Europe. They will demand payment in Rubles or precious metals – as they are doing now for gas. They will give very few customers a long term contract. Sales to the European spot market will be strictly limited. The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Verymuchalive


    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.
     
    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it's getting back to the pre-Maidan course.

    The Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West.
     
    And they have never cheated like the Germans. People see that. The Russians are showing that Russia is a stable partner.

    That's good.

    There is a lot of market in the South-East, a couple of new pipelines and things will get back to normal.

    But there's a lot that has to be done inside.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive

    That's roughly how it will play out. It is a new world for all material resources: energy, minerals, food... This reality is still under-appreciated in the West - the inevitable, coming shift in the wealth creation.


    The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.
     
    Europe is smart, aggressive, with resourceful people and small material resources. Starting in the 16th century, Europe has corrected for this with an aggressive spread over the world. That has ended.

    Russia and its hinterlands acted as a substitute for the last few decades. Nothing is black-and-white, but the coming material shortages in Europe cannot easily be fixed: wind mills and eating bugs won't do it. Europe has also stupidly allowed in tens of millions of migrants - they will need to be fed, kept warm, more will come. It will be tough.

    The biggest change will be the collapse in standing of the Western "house money", the casino chips that they have used to pay for everything. It got out of hand and is barely backed by anything. Yeah, they will say the "trust" - but trust once lost cannot be regained. They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline. But can they?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  50. @A123
    @Mikhail


    For accuracy sake, Kiev regime fault lines shouldn’t be glossed over.
     
    The Kiev regime ruthlessly suppresses fault lines: (1)

    Zelenskyy Officially Bans Ukraine’s Largest Opposition Political Party

    The definition of the modern “western democracy” in Ukraine is increasingly showcased as the goal for modern totalitarian government.
    ...
    What we see taking place in Ukraine is an outcropping of this newly defined ‘western democracy.’ Using a declaration of emergency power, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has now banned all opposition voices, taken control of broadcast media and now today banned the second largest political party in Ukraine. [Radio Free Europe Link]

    Ukraine’s Opposition Platform For Life (OPPL) was the second largest political force in the Ukraine Parliament. As of today, the party is officially banned by a Ukrainian court at the request of the Zelenskyy Ministry of Justice. All assets, funds and property belonging to OPPL have been seized and transferred to the state.
     

    -1- The European WEF are the brains behind this mess. They offered EU and NATO membership.

    -2- Ukraine acted on the European WEF's plans. At this point, the end of Ukrainian democracy proves Zelensky is a Europe compliant co-conspirator.

    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.

    After Ukraine is ground away, the European WEF will buy a new co-conspirator. And, the cycle will start all over again.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/20/zelenskyy-officially-bans-ukraines-largest-opposition-political-party/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.

    kremlinstoogeA123 does not disappoint once again! His newest conspiracy theory is truly epic in its magnitude. He should take to the pen and write some sort of a spy novel from it and make some money out of it. On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia’s neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this WWII political cartoon. But I do like kremlinstoogesA123’s slight twist of the original idea. In the past, it was America (or its proxy Great Britain) that was pulling the strings against Russia in Europe, but today according to kremlinstoogeA123, it’s the other way around. Bravo!
    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    Slight correction, should read:


    On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia’s neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this pre-WWII political cartoon.
     
  51. @songbird
    How quickly would the arms shipments stop, if Ukraine banned that gay Disney movie? (Latest)

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Won’t. You’re confusing the signaling with actual geopolitics (blundering or not).

  52. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    NATO is the US. It's the Delian League (Athens) reborn.

    Replies: @SFG

    And we know who won that one…

  53. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    -3- The European WEF puppetmasters Not-The-President Biden to obtain funds. Acting against America is the sole reason the election loser was placed in office. American citizens are victims of this European conspiracy, not participants.
     
    kremlinstoogeA123 does not disappoint once again! His newest conspiracy theory is truly epic in its magnitude. He should take to the pen and write some sort of a spy novel from it and make some money out of it. On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia's neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this WWII political cartoon. But I do like kremlinstoogesA123's slight twist of the original idea. In the past, it was America (or its proxy Great Britain) that was pulling the strings against Russia in Europe, but today according to kremlinstoogeA123, it's the other way around. Bravo!

    https://origins.osu.edu/sites/default/files/migrated_files/1925.jpg :-)

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Slight correction, should read:

    On the other hand, conspiracy theories involving Russia’s neighbors and the West have been circulating for a very long time, as can be seen in this pre-WWII political cartoon.

  54. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    The Moaoris would enjoy eating you and your family after the shit hits the fan. That will be the only viable group in New Zealand. They aren't going to call it New Zealand.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @acementhead

    They’re like 10% of the population there. The local Europeans aren’t dependent on outside forces to keep them from taking control.

    • Replies: @Lurker
    @AP


    The local Europeans aren’t dependent on outside forces to keep them from taking control.
     
    Not the event of some global collapse but right now - they're under the pressure of the same outside forces as the rest of us.
  55. One wonders why the mentally ill Mr. Hack keeps trying to reply to my posts. He knows that he is on my blocked commenters list due to his psychological problems.

    Instead of posting here, he should seek out professional psychiatric help before harming himself or others.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    If I'm a "blocked" commenter on your list, how is it that you even know that I'm posting? Are you the serial liar that many here accuse you of being? What's the matter, don't you have the guts to defend your silly opinions here? :-)

  56. @Triteleia Laxa
    Another month, no substantial Russian advance. No capturing of strategically useful territory. And no encirclement, or otherwise decisive defeat, of Ukrainian forces.

    Indeed, Ukrainian forces are now transitioning to NATO kit. This means that Ukraine has de facto entered NATO because of the Russian invasion. Sweden and Finland will join too, but formally.

    Meanwhile, Russia's Central Bank is now predicting a 15% collapse in Russia's economy.

    At this rate, it will take decades to even reach Kyiv. Nevermind Russia then having to deal with an insurgency, which will only end when they leave. And of course, these minute Russian advances can reverse at any time.

    Like, seriously, what is the point?

    Does anyone seriously doubt that, had Putin a time machine to go back to Feb 23rd, he would never have launched this murderous invasion? He would instead have sent troops to formally occupy the parts of the Donbas which Russia had already stolen, and called it quits. There would have been only minor repercussions. Ukraine had all but already accepted it. And tens of thousands of innocents would not have been slaughtered and their blood would not be staining Russian nationhood.



    Also, Graham Fuller is some 84 year old has-been looking for Russian money to support his inadequate analytical retirement. Hopefully not yet another paedo like Ritter. He's written a lot of books and wants some attention. You can see that he is not serious because he writes about "Russia winning" without being able to even begin to describe what "winning" for Russia actually consists of. Probably another crank-for-hire in the making. A good subject for sniggers at chats between old colleagues, but selling absolute nonsense. Hat tip Graham: if something is "inexplicable" to you, perhaps you are wrong about the facts. But let's hope the Russians wheel you in to replace Ritter, I am tired of his bizarrely bloated face.

    https://twitter.com/Nrg8000/status/1539190547352788994?s=20&t=l4Q1CmaEkrsYEUafPG1x1Q

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    This is the hardest part of the war – defense lines.

    Another month, no substantial Russian advance. No capturing of strategically useful territory. And no encirclement, or otherwise decisive defeat, of Ukrainian forces.

    This is a large map. You can open it in a separate tab.

    The fighting is going along the fortification lines. The Ukrainians are sitting there protected, there are bunkers. But the Russians are getting through, taking a small town here and there, one after one and losing the cauldron.

    That cannot be done faster since there are four bigger towns in the middle that have to be encircled, so the Russians are working that corridor. The fat blue line on the right is the Ukrainian forces.

    Apart from that there are air strikes in the south.

    Ukraine is losing equipment the Russians let the deliver it and then demolish it – this happened to be cheaper than using cruise missiles and striking the hangars, but air strikes happen on a regular basis as well.

    The amount of aid that Ukraine is getting is insufficient.

  57. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm a board member of a non-profit in Costa Rica that was set-up in great measure to offer a sanctuary in case such an eventuality were to occur. New Zealand is high on my bucket list, as is the Philippines in that part of the world. At least go for an interview.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    All that brave talk and you guys want to bail? Let’s have some cojones, Costa-rica or New Zealand can wait. I am a lot more exposed, and yet the food is great, hills are lush, apricots ripened, and the Ukie girls are everywhere.

    Stick it out, this will rise to a 20-30% risk with some extreme drama. Then Russia will finish pacifying Ukraine, Europe will grudgingly make up, Nato will shoot some reindeer and Black See will become a Russian lake.

    US will be just what it was always meant to be – a big fat guy talking a lot but with nobody listening, UK will blame it on mad BoJo and Sholz will go back to his accounting ledgers. The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland – the proper North-West where they yearn to be, away from the Asiatic Moskali.

    Fun and games all around, too bad tens of thousands of Ukr men won’t be around to rediscover the pleasures of reading Tolstoy and get in early on the coming Black See coast real estate boom. But the girls will mostly stay so it will be all good.

    What a stupid unnecessary provocation have the unhinged neo-con liberals concocted: woke up one morning and decided that another Iraq right on the Russian border would be great – arms, promises, threats, edging closer and closer – until the local power smithed it all down. China and Taiwan would go roughly the same way. How long are you guys going to humor these map-reading morons and dreamers? Or you would rather move to New Zealand?

    • LOL: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow


    The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland.
     
    No Poland will get the land in the west, it belongs to them, and Russia will get the land in the east, it belongs to them, and the land in the south of course, because it belongs to them, and Ukraine will become what it's meant to be – a small piece of steppe, sold out and owned, and it won't even belong to them.

    https://i.postimg.cc/rFrxK5xS/Ukraine.jpg

    Slava Ukraini.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Who said anything about moving?...

    Replies: @Beckow

  58. @Verymuchalive
    A lot of misconceptions are peddled here by Fuller. Too many for me to refute in a comment. However, one stood out.

    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.
     
    Firstly, before the Incursion in February, the USD stood at 81 Rubles, and the Euro 85.7 Rubles. Today the USD buys 54 Rubles and the Euro 58 Rubles, depreciations of 33% approximately. The Ruble will continue to strengthen as the American and European economies weaken. Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD. I would not be surprised if it shortly went back to that level, or appreciated even more. So, in future, Russian energy will not be "inexpensive". The era of cheap Russian energy is over.

    Secondly, European customers may find it difficult to buy Russian oil, gas and coal at all. The Russians are re-routing their supplies to Asia and elsewhere. In April 2022, more oil went to Asia than to Europe - the first time ever. In any business relationship, the question of trust is very important. For years now, the Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West. As vendors, the Russians would rather sell to states with which they have stable, predictable relations.

    In future, Russia will sell less and less oil. gas and coal to Europe. They will demand payment in Rubles or precious metals - as they are doing now for gas. They will give very few customers a long term contract. Sales to the European spot market will be strictly limited. The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.

    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it’s getting back to the pre-Maidan course.

    The Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West.

    And they have never cheated like the Germans. People see that. The Russians are showing that Russia is a stable partner.

    That’s good.

    There is a lot of market in the South-East, a couple of new pipelines and things will get back to normal.

    But there’s a lot that has to be done inside.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Here Be Dragon

    Me:
    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.
    Untrue. Shame on me for not checking the facts.

    You:
    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it’s getting back to the pre-Maidan course.
    Untrue. Shame on you for doing likewise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ruble

    After the partial default in 1998, the Ruble averaged c 25-30 Rubles against the USD for the period 1999 to 2013. The lowest average year was 1999 - 24.65 Rubles, the highest average year was 2013 - 31.91 Rubles. The sanctions imposed by Obama after 2008 had very little effect.

    After the 2014 sanctions, the Ruble depreciated rapidly against the USD. The 2015 average was 61.34. For the period 2015-21, the lowest average year was 2017 - 58.3 Rubles. The highest average year was 2021 - 73.77 Rubles.

    Correction
    I expect the Russian Ruble to return shortly to its 1999-2013 levels of 25 to 30 Rubles against the USD. As the Russian economy is now much stronger, and the US economy weakens by the day, the Ruble may appreciate much more. All this assumes that the USD is still the world reserve currency.
    This status is likely to end shortly. When it does, the USD's value against other currencies - the Ruble included - will collapse.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  59. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    All that brave talk and you guys want to bail? Let's have some cojones, Costa-rica or New Zealand can wait. I am a lot more exposed, and yet the food is great, hills are lush, apricots ripened, and the Ukie girls are everywhere.

    Stick it out, this will rise to a 20-30% risk with some extreme drama. Then Russia will finish pacifying Ukraine, Europe will grudgingly make up, Nato will shoot some reindeer and Black See will become a Russian lake.

    US will be just what it was always meant to be - a big fat guy talking a lot but with nobody listening, UK will blame it on mad BoJo and Sholz will go back to his accounting ledgers. The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland - the proper North-West where they yearn to be, away from the Asiatic Moskali.

    Fun and games all around, too bad tens of thousands of Ukr men won't be around to rediscover the pleasures of reading Tolstoy and get in early on the coming Black See coast real estate boom. But the girls will mostly stay so it will be all good.

    What a stupid unnecessary provocation have the unhinged neo-con liberals concocted: woke up one morning and decided that another Iraq right on the Russian border would be great - arms, promises, threats, edging closer and closer - until the local power smithed it all down. China and Taiwan would go roughly the same way. How long are you guys going to humor these map-reading morons and dreamers? Or you would rather move to New Zealand?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Mr. Hack

    The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland.

    No Poland will get the land in the west, it belongs to them, and Russia will get the land in the east, it belongs to them, and the land in the south of course, because it belongs to them, and Ukraine will become what it’s meant to be – a small piece of steppe, sold out and owned, and it won’t even belong to them.

    Slava Ukraini.

  60. @A123
    One wonders why the mentally ill Mr. Hack keeps trying to reply to my posts. He knows that he is on my blocked commenters list due to his psychological problems.

    Instead of posting here, he should seek out professional psychiatric help before harming himself or others.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If I’m a “blocked” commenter on your list, how is it that you even know that I’m posting? Are you the serial liar that many here accuse you of being? What’s the matter, don’t you have the guts to defend your silly opinions here? 🙂

  61. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    All that brave talk and you guys want to bail? Let's have some cojones, Costa-rica or New Zealand can wait. I am a lot more exposed, and yet the food is great, hills are lush, apricots ripened, and the Ukie girls are everywhere.

    Stick it out, this will rise to a 20-30% risk with some extreme drama. Then Russia will finish pacifying Ukraine, Europe will grudgingly make up, Nato will shoot some reindeer and Black See will become a Russian lake.

    US will be just what it was always meant to be - a big fat guy talking a lot but with nobody listening, UK will blame it on mad BoJo and Sholz will go back to his accounting ledgers. The nation of Poland will explode with red fury, cry a lot, and move en masse to Iceland - the proper North-West where they yearn to be, away from the Asiatic Moskali.

    Fun and games all around, too bad tens of thousands of Ukr men won't be around to rediscover the pleasures of reading Tolstoy and get in early on the coming Black See coast real estate boom. But the girls will mostly stay so it will be all good.

    What a stupid unnecessary provocation have the unhinged neo-con liberals concocted: woke up one morning and decided that another Iraq right on the Russian border would be great - arms, promises, threats, edging closer and closer - until the local power smithed it all down. China and Taiwan would go roughly the same way. How long are you guys going to humor these map-reading morons and dreamers? Or you would rather move to New Zealand?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Mr. Hack

    Who said anything about moving?…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You and AP hinted at it...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  62. @Verymuchalive
    A lot of misconceptions are peddled here by Fuller. Too many for me to refute in a comment. However, one stood out.

    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.
     
    Firstly, before the Incursion in February, the USD stood at 81 Rubles, and the Euro 85.7 Rubles. Today the USD buys 54 Rubles and the Euro 58 Rubles, depreciations of 33% approximately. The Ruble will continue to strengthen as the American and European economies weaken. Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD. I would not be surprised if it shortly went back to that level, or appreciated even more. So, in future, Russian energy will not be "inexpensive". The era of cheap Russian energy is over.

    Secondly, European customers may find it difficult to buy Russian oil, gas and coal at all. The Russians are re-routing their supplies to Asia and elsewhere. In April 2022, more oil went to Asia than to Europe - the first time ever. In any business relationship, the question of trust is very important. For years now, the Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West. As vendors, the Russians would rather sell to states with which they have stable, predictable relations.

    In future, Russia will sell less and less oil. gas and coal to Europe. They will demand payment in Rubles or precious metals - as they are doing now for gas. They will give very few customers a long term contract. Sales to the European spot market will be strictly limited. The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    That’s roughly how it will play out. It is a new world for all material resources: energy, minerals, food… This reality is still under-appreciated in the West – the inevitable, coming shift in the wealth creation.

    The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.

    Europe is smart, aggressive, with resourceful people and small material resources. Starting in the 16th century, Europe has corrected for this with an aggressive spread over the world. That has ended.

    Russia and its hinterlands acted as a substitute for the last few decades. Nothing is black-and-white, but the coming material shortages in Europe cannot easily be fixed: wind mills and eating bugs won’t do it. Europe has also stupidly allowed in tens of millions of migrants – they will need to be fed, kept warm, more will come. It will be tough.

    The biggest change will be the collapse in standing of the Western “house money”, the casino chips that they have used to pay for everything. It got out of hand and is barely backed by anything. Yeah, they will say the “trust” – but trust once lost cannot be regained. They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline. But can they?

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Beckow

    They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline.

    Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy. Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time - since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    Moral of story.
    Do not fall out with your Commodity Supplier - he has all the pipelines.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  63. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Who said anything about moving?...

    Replies: @Beckow

    You and AP hinted at it…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I'm not AP and he's not me. You wouldn't want me to mistake you for kremlinstoogeA123 now would you? He seems even stranger and more obtuse than you. :-) I've never hinted about moving anywhere, and if I ever do, it may be back to cold and dreary Minnesota (but probably not). We had a bountiful apricot tree in Mpls, and my mother made the most delicious nalivka that you've ever tasted from it. I love to travel, and can find some of nature's beauty most anywhere. Even the Latino girls can be quite beautiful!

    Replies: @Beckow

  64. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You and AP hinted at it...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m not AP and he’s not me. You wouldn’t want me to mistake you for kremlinstoogeA123 now would you? He seems even stranger and more obtuse than you. 🙂 I’ve never hinted about moving anywhere, and if I ever do, it may be back to cold and dreary Minnesota (but probably not). We had a bountiful apricot tree in Mpls, and my mother made the most delicious nalivka that you’ve ever tasted from it. I love to travel, and can find some of nature’s beauty most anywhere. Even the Latino girls can be quite beautiful!

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Good point about many of us often merging responses. But you did go on about Costa-Rica...And Latinas - today i will upgrade them from cholitas - they can be lovely, but they don't age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You need to chill. There is no strangeness in the world and people can be insensitive - it is a biological imperative. The situation is too serious for monochrome explanations that you stick to - there is a lot more to it, explore it, think it through.

    When people obsessively demand justice they end up with dead bodies all around - check out Shakespeare for details. Everybody has their own truth. Wars are fought to see which one prevails, there is not much justice in it.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

  65. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zz0sHu-m7s

    Replies: @S

    I knew it. The subject material was just too rich for film makers to pass upon. Rasputin and his story is a case of the truth being stranger than fiction, no doubt. I was a little surprised to see Rickman playing the role, though he did a good job.

    The guy wouldn’t go down. Taking into account his enemies, he must have had some really powerful guardian angels protecting him.

    To be sure, of course, considering some of Rasputin’s personal behaviour, one couldn’t be entirely too sure which side of the dividing line his particular protecting angels may have hailed from. 🙁

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin_the_Mad_Monk

    I thought Radzinski's book very readable. Edvard Radzinsky The Rasputin File.

    He has a photo of Rasputin holding a pencil really clumsy. The man was close to illiterate. The worst thing the secret police had on him was he patronized prostitutes and they were in possession of interviews with more than one of the prostitutes who testified that all Rasputin did in exchange for the money was make them listen to a repent and be saved pitch. He was the only one in the czar's inside circle who adamantly counseled against the war. Obviously he had to go.

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend. There aren't any government records except much later interviews by the commies of the czar's secret police who they killed right after the interviews. There were different stories so the legend became they had to do this and then that and after this other thing to kill him.

    It certainly is a great story though.

    Replies: @S, @S

  66. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    I'm a board member of a non-profit in Costa Rica that was set-up in great measure to offer a sanctuary in case such an eventuality were to occur. New Zealand is high on my bucket list, as is the Philippines in that part of the world. At least go for an interview.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    I was somewhat facetious, I am too grounded now to move, it’s something I might have considered if I was younger, before having kids. But in case of global nuclear war it would probably be the best place (Australia has too many people to feed, Argentina might be okay but it is poorer and more corrupt, forget South Africa).

  67. @Here Be Dragon
    @Verymuchalive


    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.
     
    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it's getting back to the pre-Maidan course.

    The Russians have made it clear that they no longer trust the West.
     
    And they have never cheated like the Germans. People see that. The Russians are showing that Russia is a stable partner.

    That's good.

    There is a lot of market in the South-East, a couple of new pipelines and things will get back to normal.

    But there's a lot that has to be done inside.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Me:
    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.
    Untrue. Shame on me for not checking the facts.

    You:
    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it’s getting back to the pre-Maidan course.
    Untrue. Shame on you for doing likewise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ruble

    After the partial default in 1998, the Ruble averaged c 25-30 Rubles against the USD for the period 1999 to 2013. The lowest average year was 1999 – 24.65 Rubles, the highest average year was 2013 – 31.91 Rubles. The sanctions imposed by Obama after 2008 had very little effect.

    After the 2014 sanctions, the Ruble depreciated rapidly against the USD. The 2015 average was 61.34. For the period 2015-21, the lowest average year was 2017 – 58.3 Rubles. The highest average year was 2021 – 73.77 Rubles.

    Correction
    I expect the Russian Ruble to return shortly to its 1999-2013 levels of 25 to 30 Rubles against the USD. As the Russian economy is now much stronger, and the US economy weakens by the day, the Ruble may appreciate much more. All this assumes that the USD is still the world reserve currency.
    This status is likely to end shortly. When it does, the USD’s value against other currencies – the Ruble included – will collapse.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Verymuchalive

    Yes, in case it's going where it's kind of going, but something tells me it's not where it's really going.

    There will be some surprise.

  68. View post on imgur.com


    Democracy is serious business. that’s why we banned all other political parties permanently. and a comedian is the puppet ruler of This Particular Very Serious Democracy.

    also, please don’t realize that “Our Democracy” is a euphemism for “Jews run everything, and you never get anything you want.” these two phrases are deployed in an indistinguishable manner, one always meaning the other, and even academic scholars would be unable to detect a functional difference, but don’t notice that.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @prime noticer

    Revelation of the method. White Boy bleed a lot, Jew Boy fills his pockets.

  69. West Point cadets being taught CRT, per NY Post report

    that’s it then. army was the last big holdout. now only the marines are not under leftist control.

    considering the situation on the ground in the US, expect official military policy to be strongly behind Ukraine for the duration. there will be no voices of reason in leadership. it’s globohomo, GAE all the way from now on.

    hard to believe this was the same West Point i went to as a recruit in the early 90s, soon after the Cold War ended. it was only a matter of time i suppose.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @prime noticer

    Romans required that all their troops have at least one testicle. Seems sensible enough.
    ____
    Been wondering if any of the plagues of antiquity could have been caused by gays.

    Thucydides recorded that the Athenian plague came from Ethiopia. The Cyprian plague is also said to have come from Ethiopia and hit Alexandria first.

    , @Barbarossa
    @prime noticer

    Or not...

    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/your-marine-corps/2020/06/23/no-heterosexuals-were-kicked-out-due-to-sexuality-marine-corps-defends-and-celebrates-lgbt-marines/

    https://tribunetimes.co.uk/news/world/marines-spark-controversy-on-all-sides-with-rainbow-bullets-to-mark-pride-month/

  70. For anyone interested in firearm statistics.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123

    Fake map. The total homicide rate in Finland hasn't exceeded 1.9 since 2010:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/529659/victims-of-homicide-rate-finland/

    So from guns alone it can't be 3.3.

    Here is a nice interactive map:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race

    Overall, white Americans are in a similar boat with eastern Europeans. Homicide rate (2.2) equal to Montenegro, lower than in Belarus (2.4) or Hungary (2.5) or Lithuania (4.6)*. Although White Americans are swimming in guns, they aren't killing one another all that much. But don't pretend they are less dangerous than Finns or Austrians.

    ::::::::::::

    Of course, America is diverse even within race. American Whites overall may be like Visegrad, but whites in New England probably have a profile similar to that of western Europeans, whereas white Southerners are probably down at post-Soviet levels.

    * Hispanic Americans (3.6) are actually safer than Lithuanians.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

  71. S says:

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.

    The letter ‘Z’ is the last letter of the Latin alphabet, to signify that this is the last war, the proverbial WWIII, that is almost a meme now?

    Below is an excerpt and YouTube video created well before the present war in the Ukraine. It explores (in part) the letter Z in regards to the Hebrew language. Z in Hebrew is Zayin, and means ‘sword’, or, ‘a weapon of the spirit’. Kaballa aspects of ‘Z’ are looked into as well.

    It all starts with the Z

    Z, to begin with, marks endings (from A to Z).

    Yet what is an ending, but a new beginning?

    As a student of the occult (as in hidden or sacred knowledge, and not whatever dark thoughts you might associate with the word), I also checked the Hebrew alphabet, the sacred letters. Z in Hebrew is Zayin and it means ‘sword’ or ‘a weapon of the spirit’.

    https://therabbitisin.com/on-the-major-importance-of-letter-z-9af140714b4d

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @S


    aballa aspects of ‘Z’
     
    Lol, well to go into the conspiracy theory land (let's say, "for creative fun").

    The "human sacrifice" killed for the beginning of the "special military operation", under the symbol of "Z", starts with poisoning Zhirinovsky and its aim was Zelensky?

    Although with American intervention, they missed Zhirinovsky's astrological occult "2" for the beginning of the operation, with the "22 2 2022".

    After they lose the correct date, the stars have not been guiding the operation and everything possible has been going wrong.

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1495474850458226689

    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number "2" and letter "Z".


    World War Z,
     
    If you think it was a trap from the American side, where they can make Ukraine seem weak, like the cheese in the mouse trap, where Russia entering Ukraine is the mouse entering the trap? Then after the gullible mouse enter the trap, they begin to give Ukraine more and more modern weapons.

    Now, there is the worst possible scenario for the Russian army, as Ukraine slowly begins to more dangerous weapons, within a framework where these weapons can be used against Russia (for the first time, even though many are designed in the Cold War, they never had an opportunity to be used as the Soviet leadership generally could avoid such traps).

    It's an elegant conspiracy theory, but somehow the acting performance has been too realistic, for this to be plausible. Even Utu will probably reject this as inconceivably too competent, as overestimates Washington's intelligence and underestimates Moscow's stupidity.

    Somehow the worst possible scenario was be attained, but at least for the naïve observers, hubris and the inevitable nemesis, seems the more plausible explanation, than such kind of "multimove checkmate sequences".

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  72. @Verymuchalive
    @Here Be Dragon

    Me:
    Before the Russo-Georgian War in 2008, the Ruble traded at 30-40 Rubles to the USD.
    Untrue. Shame on me for not checking the facts.

    You:
    Before Crimea the Ruble traded at 50 to the USD. How dumb is this – it’s getting back to the pre-Maidan course.
    Untrue. Shame on you for doing likewise.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_ruble

    After the partial default in 1998, the Ruble averaged c 25-30 Rubles against the USD for the period 1999 to 2013. The lowest average year was 1999 - 24.65 Rubles, the highest average year was 2013 - 31.91 Rubles. The sanctions imposed by Obama after 2008 had very little effect.

    After the 2014 sanctions, the Ruble depreciated rapidly against the USD. The 2015 average was 61.34. For the period 2015-21, the lowest average year was 2017 - 58.3 Rubles. The highest average year was 2021 - 73.77 Rubles.

    Correction
    I expect the Russian Ruble to return shortly to its 1999-2013 levels of 25 to 30 Rubles against the USD. As the Russian economy is now much stronger, and the US economy weakens by the day, the Ruble may appreciate much more. All this assumes that the USD is still the world reserve currency.
    This status is likely to end shortly. When it does, the USD's value against other currencies - the Ruble included - will collapse.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Yes, in case it’s going where it’s kind of going, but something tells me it’s not where it’s really going.

    There will be some surprise.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  73. @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive

    That's roughly how it will play out. It is a new world for all material resources: energy, minerals, food... This reality is still under-appreciated in the West - the inevitable, coming shift in the wealth creation.


    The resultant squeeze on European economies, industries and living standards will be severe and prolonged.
     
    Europe is smart, aggressive, with resourceful people and small material resources. Starting in the 16th century, Europe has corrected for this with an aggressive spread over the world. That has ended.

    Russia and its hinterlands acted as a substitute for the last few decades. Nothing is black-and-white, but the coming material shortages in Europe cannot easily be fixed: wind mills and eating bugs won't do it. Europe has also stupidly allowed in tens of millions of migrants - they will need to be fed, kept warm, more will come. It will be tough.

    The biggest change will be the collapse in standing of the Western "house money", the casino chips that they have used to pay for everything. It got out of hand and is barely backed by anything. Yeah, they will say the "trust" - but trust once lost cannot be regained. They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline. But can they?

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline.

    Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy. Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    Moral of story.
    Do not fall out with your Commodity Supplier – he has all the pipelines.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive


    ...Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy.
     
    Yeah, you are right, it is obvious. In any fight between a city and farmers, the farmers - commodity suppliers - always win if they can protect themselves. And Russia can protect itself.

    Western towns and eastern girls... - who really has more power in that relationship when the chips are down and the girls stop acting like cheap courtesans? This will be an ugly experience for Europe.
    , @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.
     
    More information on how Europe is directly responsible for Europe's decline.

    When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the European Union responded the following day with a package of unprecedented economic sanctions aimed at isolating Russia.

    The EU, which was praised for displaying "determination, unity and speed" in its response to Putin, was said to be facing a "transformative moment" that would allow the bloc to become a "geostrategic actor" on the global stage. An observer claimed that the EU had become "a top geopolitical protagonist" and that Europe "discovered that it's a superpower."

    On March 21, less than a month after Russia invaded Ukraine, European officials announced an ambitious plan for the EU to achieve "strategic autonomy" aimed at placing the 27-member bloc on equal footing with China and the United States. The implicit objective was to enable a "sovereign" EU to act independently of the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in matters of defense and security. That plan is now in shambles.

    As the war has dragged on, European unity has collapsed and efforts to transform the European Union into a European superstate — a United States of Europe — have been exposed for what they are: delusions of grandeur.
     
    And, it is not just Ukraine. Brussels over reach has offended both Poland and Hungary over other issues such as culture an economy. Germany's 'leadership' towards Open [Muslim] Borders has done much to shatter comity. Lack of Trust is now the definitive, core EU value.

    Ultimately, the EU/EZ myth needs to end and be replaced by something less ambitious, limited to the small subset of things where commonality exists.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18610/eu-superpower-delusion

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Wokechoke

  74. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I'm not AP and he's not me. You wouldn't want me to mistake you for kremlinstoogeA123 now would you? He seems even stranger and more obtuse than you. :-) I've never hinted about moving anywhere, and if I ever do, it may be back to cold and dreary Minnesota (but probably not). We had a bountiful apricot tree in Mpls, and my mother made the most delicious nalivka that you've ever tasted from it. I love to travel, and can find some of nature's beauty most anywhere. Even the Latino girls can be quite beautiful!

    Replies: @Beckow

    Good point about many of us often merging responses. But you did go on about Costa-Rica…And Latinas – today i will upgrade them from cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You need to chill. There is no strangeness in the world and people can be insensitive – it is a biological imperative. The situation is too serious for monochrome explanations that you stick to – there is a lot more to it, explore it, think it through.

    When people obsessively demand justice they end up with dead bodies all around – check out Shakespeare for details. Everybody has their own truth. Wars are fought to see which one prevails, there is not much justice in it.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?
     
    You seem lacking in knowledge about apricot nalivka too. First It's nalivka not nalinka from the root Ukrainian word Nalivaty (to pour). It's a delicious liqueur, not a palinka (which is good in its own right too). The best nalivka's and probably palinkas too are ones that have been aged well. Once, I found a gallon jug hidden in a low corner in my mother's basement pantry, where she kept all of the canned vegetables and fruits that she prepared every year. At first we didn't know what it was, because the fruit within was very dark looking, and not really looking very appetizing. We poured the liquid anyway and gave it a try - the most delicious nectar this side of heaven that you've ever tasted, truly. It was made of once fully ripened apricots that had shriveled up over the years giving up their liquid to produce a heavenly product, probably about 15 years old. The same with women. If you treat them right and let them mature in a safe and nurturing atmosphere, they also can mature into a fantastic end product too.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    I don't agree with you about the outcome at all. I think that we're about halfway through with this war and that as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase. We'll have to wait and see. I pray that Ukraine finally gets this huge bully off of its back.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    , @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    Yes, for anyone who has been paying attention in the past years it is impossible to regard Ukraine (or the West) as blameless victims.

    But we are talking about a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction. Your argument is like watching a woman being raped and saying that being bitchy got her into "this no-win situation".

    Just because Putin decided that he had no choice but to start this barbaric war it doesn't mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine's and NATO's actions, let alone a justified one.

    Maybe Hitler also had some points worth pondering: German minorities' rights, the onerous clauses of the Treaty of Versailles,... all of that became moot the moment he unleashed WWII and the Holocaust.

    Btw, I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

  75. @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I knew it. The subject material was just too rich for film makers to pass upon. Rasputin and his story is a case of the truth being stranger than fiction, no doubt. I was a little surprised to see Rickman playing the role, though he did a good job.

    The guy wouldn't go down. Taking into account his enemies, he must have had some really powerful guardian angels protecting him.

    To be sure, of course, considering some of Rasputin's personal behaviour, one couldn't be entirely too sure which side of the dividing line his particular protecting angels may have hailed from. :-(

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin_the_Mad_Monk

    I thought Radzinski’s book very readable. Edvard Radzinsky The Rasputin File.

    He has a photo of Rasputin holding a pencil really clumsy. The man was close to illiterate. The worst thing the secret police had on him was he patronized prostitutes and they were in possession of interviews with more than one of the prostitutes who testified that all Rasputin did in exchange for the money was make them listen to a repent and be saved pitch. He was the only one in the czar’s inside circle who adamantly counseled against the war. Obviously he had to go.

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend. There aren’t any government records except much later interviews by the commies of the czar’s secret police who they killed right after the interviews. There were different stories so the legend became they had to do this and then that and after this other thing to kill him.

    It certainly is a great story though.

    • Replies: @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend.
     
    Yeah, checking just now, the autopsy performed upon Rasputin found no sign of poison, or water in the lungs, but found three bullet wounds, with some apparent post mortem trauma.

    The account generally repeated of Rasputin's murder is that of the prince primarily responsible for it.

    It would have been behooving to him and his accomplices to make Rasputin out to be some kind of almost unkillable monster, who could only just barely be stopped, rather than appear to be the victim of a planned cold blooded execution.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.
     
    The Hammer films of the 1950's and 60's are primo.
  76. @Verymuchalive
    @Beckow

    They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline.

    Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy. Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time - since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    Moral of story.
    Do not fall out with your Commodity Supplier - he has all the pipelines.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    …Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy.

    Yeah, you are right, it is obvious. In any fight between a city and farmers, the farmers – commodity suppliers – always win if they can protect themselves. And Russia can protect itself.

    Western towns and eastern girls… – who really has more power in that relationship when the chips are down and the girls stop acting like cheap courtesans? This will be an ugly experience for Europe.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  77. @songbird
    SpaceX launched three Falcon 9s in 36.5 hours, beating previous commercial records. Obviously, something of a stunt.

    Makes me wonder how much of it was meant for the Russians. (And how much against internal company wokeness - some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter)

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Makes me wonder how of it was against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter

    Well, Musk has his own problems.

    One of his eldest sons has apparently become a tranny and severed ties with his father. Maybe this explains Musk’s recent outbursts against wokeness. It stole one of his children, quite literally.

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents’ political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Hilariously, or perhaps omniously, his current on-again-off-again gf scolded him for transphobia a few years ago.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @Thulean Friend


    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture.
     
    It depends how strong the genetic component of political attitudes is. If it is sufficiently strong, perhaps the shitlib establishment won't be able to peel away enough conservatively inclined children to prevent conservatives becoming a growing proportion of the populace. Or perhaps the children of "converts" to libtardism won't be as strong in their libtard convictions, and perhaps experience a healthy rate of "reversion." It's too soon to say. I think it's an idea worth placing some hope (and cope) in.
    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    Would be pretty interesting if there were stats on transgenderism, normal conception vs. artificial insemination (Musk's kids).

    Though Musk shares custody, I wonder how much time he is able to spend with his kids. Thought I recall hearing he slept on the factory floor at Tesla for like a month.

    Seeing how crazy Grimes is, and thinking of other celebrity couplings, I can't help but think that wealthy men (Bezos, Harry) would often be better off, if they had used some old-fashioned matchmaker.

    , @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend


    conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents’ political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?
     
    Elon Musk might have lots of money but I'll bet his time investment in his kids is near nil.

    But, your points are critical, and something I have given quite a bit of thought to myself. Fecundity is meaningless if one isn't imparting a viable alternative worldview strong enough to withstand the mainstream.

    My parents were successful enough with my brother and I, in that regard, but things have accelerated significantly since then. I would distill the success of my own parents in finding a fairly correct balance between raising us outside the mainstream, yet not sheltered from it. This went a long way as it allowed us to develop our own critiques as we got older and were capable of making our own estimations. As someone that was home-schooled, but not stiflingly over protected, I could see many of the absurdities of the mainstream.

    I've tried to re-create this environment with my own kids, but it's really far more treacherous waters than it was when I was a kid and we've had to get much more into the thick of it at an earlier age than I would have imagined.

    My oldest daughter has some cousins about her age that, while not entirely unexpectedly, quite precipitously have gone the hardcore lesbian/ now leaning trans route. They had done more groundwork in proselytizing than we realized and we had to get in front of things in a hurry. It was also more than just the LGBT thing with these girls, and we later discovered it was wrapped up with a ton of baggage regarding self-loathing, eating disorders, self harm, sexually explicit fan fic, and depression and anxiety. The LGBT is, I think, really just a coping mechanism for some of these other issues.

    My own daughter was initially somewhat drawn to this "cool" world and we had some real issues as she began to take on some of their pathological self perception issues. Once we realized what was happening, we, and especially my wife, had to really struggle to keep communication open and help her to keep things into perspective.

    One of the notable aspects is how there is significant peer pressure by LGBT to also be LGBT. Otherwise you are vanilla and not one of the cool edgy kids.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now. It's become a maturing experience for her now though not the type that I would have wished on her yet. As her cousin's have deteriorated quickly into obviously depressed, withdrawn, angry, and militant people it's been easy to show that they are on a very self-destructive path. They are largely making our arguments for us at this point.

    We had to be very gentle and somewhat cautious, but implacably persistent with our daughter. We were also very clear that we did not hate her cousins in any way, but were also clear in communicating why certain attitudes and actions were pathological.

    For a while there we felt on a knife's edge and we were afraid that we could lose the girl we knew. It can happen quickly, even when you think you are surrounding yourself with good people. We came to regard it quite literally as a form of spiritual warfare; a battle for our daughter's soul. This went way beyond purely the gay thing, since I've known gays and lesbians that seemed like reasonably balanced people. The current LGBT "movement" however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  78. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    Makes me wonder how of it was against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter
     
    Well, Musk has his own problems.

    One of his eldest sons has apparently become a tranny and severed ties with his father. Maybe this explains Musk's recent outbursts against wokeness. It stole one of his children, quite literally.

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents' political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Hilariously, or perhaps omniously, his current on-again-off-again gf scolded him for transphobia a few years ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/GS7aZ82.jpg

    Replies: @silviosilver, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture.

    It depends how strong the genetic component of political attitudes is. If it is sufficiently strong, perhaps the shitlib establishment won’t be able to peel away enough conservatively inclined children to prevent conservatives becoming a growing proportion of the populace. Or perhaps the children of “converts” to libtardism won’t be as strong in their libtard convictions, and perhaps experience a healthy rate of “reversion.” It’s too soon to say. I think it’s an idea worth placing some hope (and cope) in.

  79. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Good point about many of us often merging responses. But you did go on about Costa-Rica...And Latinas - today i will upgrade them from cholitas - they can be lovely, but they don't age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You need to chill. There is no strangeness in the world and people can be insensitive - it is a biological imperative. The situation is too serious for monochrome explanations that you stick to - there is a lot more to it, explore it, think it through.

    When people obsessively demand justice they end up with dead bodies all around - check out Shakespeare for details. Everybody has their own truth. Wars are fought to see which one prevails, there is not much justice in it.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You seem lacking in knowledge about apricot nalivka too. First It’s nalivka not nalinka from the root Ukrainian word Nalivaty (to pour). It’s a delicious liqueur, not a palinka (which is good in its own right too). The best nalivka’s and probably palinkas too are ones that have been aged well. Once, I found a gallon jug hidden in a low corner in my mother’s basement pantry, where she kept all of the canned vegetables and fruits that she prepared every year. At first we didn’t know what it was, because the fruit within was very dark looking, and not really looking very appetizing. We poured the liquid anyway and gave it a try – the most delicious nectar this side of heaven that you’ve ever tasted, truly. It was made of once fully ripened apricots that had shriveled up over the years giving up their liquid to produce a heavenly product, probably about 15 years old. The same with women. If you treat them right and let them mature in a safe and nurturing atmosphere, they also can mature into a fantastic end product too.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    I don’t agree with you about the outcome at all. I think that we’re about halfway through with this war and that as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase. We’ll have to wait and see. I pray that Ukraine finally gets this huge bully off of its back.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ....as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase.
     
    Chances increase from 10% to 20%? How do you define success? Nato weapons are too few, too hard to deliver, and would still leave Ukraine outgunned by a large margin.

    Actually the best hope Kiev has would be a collapse in the Russian morale. Inflicting more casualties helps, but it can back-fire. A lot of the front line troops on the Russian side are Donbas militias - 60-100k. For them this is existential, they have no place to retreat, many are angry about the Donbas civilians killed by Kiev in the last 8 years. Their morale is unlikely to collapse, and that will pull along the Russian morale. Russians also historically don't stop fighting - and neither do the Ukrainians: very native stubbornness that Westerners are not familiar with.

    It will be ugly. Kiev is losing 100-200 soldiers per day, or more. Plus the wounded and tens of thousands POWs. New troops are of lower quality and have to be trained (AP's cousin who probably skis better than he shoots.)

    Have you considered the most likely outcome: Russia in a few months prevails, Kiev's army ceases to be viable, south and east are occupied, guerilla fighters are in Warsaw cafes. Russian economy hums along on exports to Asia, Europe is in a recession with endless complicated and expensive ways to secure energy and other materials. People get tired of it and start asking: "what was the fight all about?" And slogans about freedom and orcs will not suffice. Then what? Zelko and the gang will be fine, but how about ordinary Ukrainians? It will become obvious that they fought a losing war for some very questionable reasons - "no Russian language in schools" and "we want Nato bases!!!!".

    Future is contained in our present, it is not as big a mystery as many pretend. Miracles by definition don't happen (look that up: miracle definition is...).

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    From the root Ukrainian word Nalivatu (to pour)
     
    You seriously write this garbage with a straight face you demented retard?

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word you dumb prick, with common Slavic root. Nalivka, and ever more so the apricot one is a RUSSIAN drink not ukrop you imbecile. There is no "Ukrainian" language either. They even only call it that in 404 because that drink the Russians specifically named it that! Exact same thing as with Borscht - a completely Russian word (which the dish has f**k-all connection with Galician/Bukovina sub-roma morons)

    Stop parasiting off Russian World you POS.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

  80. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @Beckow

    They need to defeat Russia or it will be a slow decline.

    Russia is winning. Anything else is fantasy. Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time - since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    Moral of story.
    Do not fall out with your Commodity Supplier - he has all the pipelines.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.

    More information on how Europe is directly responsible for Europe’s decline.

    When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the European Union responded the following day with a package of unprecedented economic sanctions aimed at isolating Russia.

    The EU, which was praised for displaying “determination, unity and speed” in its response to Putin, was said to be facing a “transformative moment” that would allow the bloc to become a “geostrategic actor” on the global stage. An observer claimed that the EU had become “a top geopolitical protagonist” and that Europe “discovered that it’s a superpower.”

    On March 21, less than a month after Russia invaded Ukraine, European officials announced an ambitious plan for the EU to achieve “strategic autonomy” aimed at placing the 27-member bloc on equal footing with China and the United States. The implicit objective was to enable a “sovereign” EU to act independently of the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in matters of defense and security. That plan is now in shambles.

    As the war has dragged on, European unity has collapsed and efforts to transform the European Union into a European superstate — a United States of Europe — have been exposed for what they are: delusions of grandeur.

    And, it is not just Ukraine. Brussels over reach has offended both Poland and Hungary over other issues such as culture an economy. Germany’s ‘leadership’ towards Open [Muslim] Borders has done much to shatter comity. Lack of Trust is now the definitive, core EU value.

    Ultimately, the EU/EZ myth needs to end and be replaced by something less ambitious, limited to the small subset of things where commonality exists.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18610/eu-superpower-delusion

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    I can't agree more.
    Sensible, rational and cogent.
    One of your finest posts.
    Keep it up.

    , @Wokechoke
    @A123

    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.

    Replies: @A123

  81. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    Makes me wonder how of it was against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter
     
    Well, Musk has his own problems.

    One of his eldest sons has apparently become a tranny and severed ties with his father. Maybe this explains Musk's recent outbursts against wokeness. It stole one of his children, quite literally.

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents' political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Hilariously, or perhaps omniously, his current on-again-off-again gf scolded him for transphobia a few years ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/GS7aZ82.jpg

    Replies: @silviosilver, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Would be pretty interesting if there were stats on transgenderism, normal conception vs. artificial insemination (Musk’s kids).

    Though Musk shares custody, I wonder how much time he is able to spend with his kids. Thought I recall hearing he slept on the factory floor at Tesla for like a month.

    Seeing how crazy Grimes is, and thinking of other celebrity couplings, I can’t help but think that wealthy men (Bezos, Harry) would often be better off, if they had used some old-fashioned matchmaker.

  82. @prime noticer
    West Point cadets being taught CRT, per NY Post report

    that's it then. army was the last big holdout. now only the marines are not under leftist control.

    considering the situation on the ground in the US, expect official military policy to be strongly behind Ukraine for the duration. there will be no voices of reason in leadership. it's globohomo, GAE all the way from now on.

    hard to believe this was the same West Point i went to as a recruit in the early 90s, soon after the Cold War ended. it was only a matter of time i suppose.

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Romans required that all their troops have at least one testicle. Seems sensible enough.
    ____
    Been wondering if any of the plagues of antiquity could have been caused by gays.

    Thucydides recorded that the Athenian plague came from Ethiopia. The Cyprian plague is also said to have come from Ethiopia and hit Alexandria first.

  83. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?
     
    You seem lacking in knowledge about apricot nalivka too. First It's nalivka not nalinka from the root Ukrainian word Nalivaty (to pour). It's a delicious liqueur, not a palinka (which is good in its own right too). The best nalivka's and probably palinkas too are ones that have been aged well. Once, I found a gallon jug hidden in a low corner in my mother's basement pantry, where she kept all of the canned vegetables and fruits that she prepared every year. At first we didn't know what it was, because the fruit within was very dark looking, and not really looking very appetizing. We poured the liquid anyway and gave it a try - the most delicious nectar this side of heaven that you've ever tasted, truly. It was made of once fully ripened apricots that had shriveled up over the years giving up their liquid to produce a heavenly product, probably about 15 years old. The same with women. If you treat them right and let them mature in a safe and nurturing atmosphere, they also can mature into a fantastic end product too.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    I don't agree with you about the outcome at all. I think that we're about halfway through with this war and that as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase. We'll have to wait and see. I pray that Ukraine finally gets this huge bully off of its back.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    ….as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase.

    Chances increase from 10% to 20%? How do you define success? Nato weapons are too few, too hard to deliver, and would still leave Ukraine outgunned by a large margin.

    Actually the best hope Kiev has would be a collapse in the Russian morale. Inflicting more casualties helps, but it can back-fire. A lot of the front line troops on the Russian side are Donbas militias – 60-100k. For them this is existential, they have no place to retreat, many are angry about the Donbas civilians killed by Kiev in the last 8 years. Their morale is unlikely to collapse, and that will pull along the Russian morale. Russians also historically don’t stop fighting – and neither do the Ukrainians: very native stubbornness that Westerners are not familiar with.

    It will be ugly. Kiev is losing 100-200 soldiers per day, or more. Plus the wounded and tens of thousands POWs. New troops are of lower quality and have to be trained (AP’s cousin who probably skis better than he shoots.)

    Have you considered the most likely outcome: Russia in a few months prevails, Kiev’s army ceases to be viable, south and east are occupied, guerilla fighters are in Warsaw cafes. Russian economy hums along on exports to Asia, Europe is in a recession with endless complicated and expensive ways to secure energy and other materials. People get tired of it and start asking: “what was the fight all about?” And slogans about freedom and orcs will not suffice. Then what? Zelko and the gang will be fine, but how about ordinary Ukrainians? It will become obvious that they fought a losing war for some very questionable reasons – “no Russian language in schools” and “we want Nato bases!!!!”.

    Future is contained in our present, it is not as big a mystery as many pretend. Miracles by definition don’t happen (look that up: miracle definition is…).

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Endless cope from you.

    Western propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will lose the conventional war in days, but Russia will eventually withdraw from the insurgency.

    Russian propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will welcome Russia and it will all be done in days with a quick peace.

    Reality:

    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis. No sign of any "welcome." Ukrainians 95% hate Russia. Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures. NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years, at least.

    Yet somehow you are still gleefully boasting. You're mental. The situation is unimaginably worse for Russia than even the most hubristic Western propaganda "predicted." And it is unimaginably better for Ukraine, no matter how awful it is for them too. You've been lied to again and again and now you can't even remember what your reality was a few months ago. You somehow think this is winning. You're totally mindf*cked.

    Replies: @Beckow

  84. Scythians were known to drink their wine unmixed from the skulls of their enemies, afterwards wiping their mouths with napkins make from the skin of their enemies.

    In some Greek cities, it was supposedly a capital crime to drink unmixed wine. (Alexander once killed one of his best officers in a drunken rage.)

    Therefore, I think AP’s idea that Ukrainians were more civilized when they occupied areas in WW2 is not wholly implausible, if we link it to alcohol tolerance. Of course, it is only suggestive.

  85. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    This is a reply for AP from the older page.

    https://i.postimg.cc/rpyzpLNt/Chimpanzee-in-a-suit.jpg

    Hello apey.

    Beginning on the high note.

    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.
     
    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same. Tell me what's the difference between that and what you are doing. Bet there's not much if any.

    I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik.
     
    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said "we will get back our old flat in a Stalin's house" and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.

    You said that the flat used to belong to a Bolshevik and that it was "our old flat" so don't blame me – that's not my ideas but your own words. Like any stupid liar you get confused in your own bullshit. You said that.

    So either you were lying then, or you are lying now.

    If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”
     
    You can't imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can't stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.

    You need to get to back your senses, idiot. No one cares what you imagine about yourself, but it's obvious that you are inadequate. You are a narcissist.

    You would have been a fine menial worker, but the Soviets turned your kind into imitation officers or doctors, into Sharikovs who pretend to know things.
     
    Do not cross the red lines, piece of shit. You have no idea who were those doctors and officers. Do not insult them – insult me. You will eat a peck of dirt for it every time you do it. Like any narcissist you like being humiliated.

    No problem.

    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.
     
    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references, which were presented to you for examination, dear professor. Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me, as you have been told as well.

    The research referenced in my comment is the best available, so if you want to discuss that you are welcome, if not keep talking yourself.

    When multiracial are Hispanics, they are not the same multiracial as on the TIMMS, which DOES include a Hispanic category.
     
    Why would it be so, if only not because it fits your false argument. There is an article explaining that, regarding the US census, that how people identify themselves has been changing. See below, the number of Multiracial Americans going up from 3.2% to 10.2% in two years.

    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – "Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin". That is, Multiracial doesn't include Hispanics.

    But considering that the amount of these Hispanics – what a mess in the heads, is changing, it appears that a number of those counted there as the Hispanics are now considered Multiracial, but perhaps then they weren't.

    So with this data it really makes no sense trying to derive the average score of the ethnic Russians, and let alone compare it to that of the American whites, which is given, and as well as making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.

    There are no other sources except those aforementioned, and the data is good enough to compare a nation to a nation, but not one ethnic group to the other, which was the point in my initial comment that you dismissed, saying that only the white Americans matter, or something like that.

    You were correct that there's lack of correlation, but wrong about the idea that Multiracial group includes Hispanics – "Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin". However since the number of the Multiracial group has been growing, it was an error to count them as 10.2 percent as well. We were both wrong.

    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.
     
    As a matter of fact it's wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn't mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

    A lot of people in Afghanistan belong to the same group, and a significant amount of the Swedes do, but that doesn't mean that those Afghans are Swedes, does that, professor, because according to your logic it does.

    There is no ethnic group that is homogeneous. All are composite, and a lot of factors come into the view when we take a closer look, but it doesn't mean either that we should dismiss what's obvious, and that is that both Tatars and the Chuvash people are Mongoloid.

    Likewise Finno-Ugric doesn't mean that the people are somewhat akin to the Finns and Hungarians, especially when we are talking about the peoples of Siberia.

    Sámi and Komi sometimes look the same as Hungarians and Finns, and sometimes very Asiatic, and Mansi and Mari people are even more Asiatic. The Finno-Ugric peoples are not European, they are Eurasian. And that doesn't mean anything related to their intelligence.

    That's not how it works.

    Haven’t you seen many Volga Tatars?
     
    Have seen some on TV. They are light skinned but with Mongoloid features, dark haired.

    So?

    Replies: @AP

    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references

    They are more recent references but they are not better, because they are merely estimates of IQ based on PISA scores and not measures of IQ itself.

    When Russian IQ was measured the actual scores were 96.5 on average (personally, I think it might be a little low, but that’s what it is).

    Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me

    Sharikjv can’t read. The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009 .

    As we have seen and will see again, you are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims.

    The authors made a study in which the Russian IQ was about 103. The same authors explained that this was the overall average Russian IQ but higher because the sample were kids of professionals in an urban area. The actual average Russian IQ, according to the authors, was 96.5.

    You chose to believe the author’s 103 but not their 96.5.

    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.

    In the TIMMS study, you wanted the number of White-performing Americans to be the same percentage of the population as the number of ethnic Russians in Russia. However, they are not. Russians are about 80% of Russia’s population.

    Since blacks are about 13% and Hispanics about 18% of America’s population, Americans that do not belong to those two groups are only about 70% of America’s population.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are equally comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average (as you proved in your other post), this would not be enough to close the gap with the white Americans.

    TIMMS, science, grade 4: US Whites: 570; Russians: 567
    TIMMS, science, grade 8: US Whites: 557; Russians: 544

    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

    In that part of the world (the Volga) R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin. And I never claimed Finns, but Finnic.

    Wiki, about Chuvash:

    These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not directly related to the Turkic and Mongolic people along their maternal line but supports the hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group—leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of European origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Slavic and Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers.

    The MtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% Caucasoid, 9.1% Mongoloid and 1.8% unidentifie

    Here are Chuvash people, for example:

    Kind of what one would expect of a people who are 10% or so Asian.

    Volga Tatars are about twice as Asian as Chuvash – 20% or so.

    [MORE]

    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same.

    I don’t want to provide too may details in order to avoid doxxing myself. I am some sort doctoral level medical professional (PharmD, MD, DO, PhD) working in healthcare.

    Moscow is the nicest large city in the world, and even though through connections I could have gotten a job there, I wouldn’t be able to justify the 10x salary differential by staying in that city permanently.

    “I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik.”

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.

    No it doesn’t, Sharikov. When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment. It does not necessarily mean owning the deed to the property. It’s owned by relatives, we lived there when we lived in Moscow, we stay there when we visit, and maybe will live there again.

    “If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.

    It seems that you do have an unhealthy obsession, Sharikov, because you keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    I do know that Lithuanians are retardation though. Blockading Konigsberg? A million or so cumts in the baltic seething the stage for a widening war.

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Yo ape it would be nice if you could spend a few minutes reading my comment first, and then reply. Because you would not have said a bunch of not so relevant stupidities if you had read it.

    The references were the chart that is showing the score of that test in Russia has been growing and has risen on 3.5 percent in 5 years, and that was seven years ago. Therefore the result can be even better now, so it's not fare to compare the latest American score to the outdated Russian.

    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it's the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test, so the result doesn't correlate and a comparison is reasonable as long as we compare the scores of one particular test.

    That graphic showing the score growth is showing as well that the latest result was 98.8, but then again it wasn't the Wehsler test, nor was it the the Standard Progressive Matrices, so the resulting scores are not comparable.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn't explain, or at least in that quote didn't show how and where the samples were taken.

    You understand that it could have been a test in a bunch of other schools in ten cities or something like that, and that it doesn't in this case show the real average result.


    The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009.
     
    Yes but it's used to demonstrate that the intelligence of ethnic Russians is higher than of other national groups and not to compare it with other tests.

    You are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims. You chose to believe the author’s 103 but not their 96.5.
     
    Yes because that doesn't make sense. The "sample were kids of professionals in an urban area" is not a good argument. About 75 percent of the Russian population live in urban areas and Kazakhstan is not some kind of megalopolis.

    The result should not have been that low.


    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.
     
    Not really, no. There is a quote below, take a look. These are different categories and there's a confusion, one person can be featured both as a Hispanic and as Multiracial at the same time.

    My argument was correct, logically, but the problem was that at the time the test was taken the percentage of people who registered as Multiracial was lower than 10.2, so the numbers didn't fit in the end.


    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average, this would not be enough to close the gap.
     
    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.

    Considering that we can compare the US scores.

    US Whites: 570; Russians: 567 – 99.4%
    US Whites: 557; Russians: 544 – 97.6%

    So it looks like we have enough here to close the gap.


    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.
     
    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people. The dominant haplogroup matters the most.

    N is their dominant haplogroup.


    When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.
     
    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.

    You keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.
     
    And you keep insulting me and getting irritated. You got caught, apey. You got caught.

    You are a liar.


    Multiracial Americans –

    According to the 2018 U.S. Census 3.2% of the total U.S. population. According to the 2020 U.S. Census 10.2% of the total U.S population.

    Multiracial groups in the United States include many African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Métis Americans, Louisiana Creoles and several other communities found primarily in the Eastern US.

    Replies: @AP

  86. @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.
     
    More information on how Europe is directly responsible for Europe's decline.

    When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the European Union responded the following day with a package of unprecedented economic sanctions aimed at isolating Russia.

    The EU, which was praised for displaying "determination, unity and speed" in its response to Putin, was said to be facing a "transformative moment" that would allow the bloc to become a "geostrategic actor" on the global stage. An observer claimed that the EU had become "a top geopolitical protagonist" and that Europe "discovered that it's a superpower."

    On March 21, less than a month after Russia invaded Ukraine, European officials announced an ambitious plan for the EU to achieve "strategic autonomy" aimed at placing the 27-member bloc on equal footing with China and the United States. The implicit objective was to enable a "sovereign" EU to act independently of the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in matters of defense and security. That plan is now in shambles.

    As the war has dragged on, European unity has collapsed and efforts to transform the European Union into a European superstate — a United States of Europe — have been exposed for what they are: delusions of grandeur.
     
    And, it is not just Ukraine. Brussels over reach has offended both Poland and Hungary over other issues such as culture an economy. Germany's 'leadership' towards Open [Muslim] Borders has done much to shatter comity. Lack of Trust is now the definitive, core EU value.

    Ultimately, the EU/EZ myth needs to end and be replaced by something less ambitious, limited to the small subset of things where commonality exists.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18610/eu-superpower-delusion

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Wokechoke

    I can’t agree more.
    Sensible, rational and cogent.
    One of your finest posts.
    Keep it up.

    • Thanks: A123
  87. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references
     

    They are more recent references but they are not better, because they are merely estimates of IQ based on PISA scores and not measures of IQ itself.

    When Russian IQ was measured the actual scores were 96.5 on average (personally, I think it might be a little low, but that's what it is).


    Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me
     
    Sharikjv can't read. The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009 .

    As we have seen and will see again, you are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims.

    The authors made a study in which the Russian IQ was about 103. The same authors explained that this was the overall average Russian IQ but higher because the sample were kids of professionals in an urban area. The actual average Russian IQ, according to the authors, was 96.5.

    You chose to believe the author's 103 but not their 96.5.


    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.
     
    In the TIMMS study, you wanted the number of White-performing Americans to be the same percentage of the population as the number of ethnic Russians in Russia. However, they are not. Russians are about 80% of Russia's population.

    Since blacks are about 13% and Hispanics about 18% of America's population, Americans that do not belong to those two groups are only about 70% of America's population.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are equally comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.
     

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average (as you proved in your other post), this would not be enough to close the gap with the white Americans.

    TIMMS, science, grade 4: US Whites: 570; Russians: 567
    TIMMS, science, grade 8: US Whites: 557; Russians: 544


    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

     

    In that part of the world (the Volga) R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin. And I never claimed Finns, but Finnic.

    Wiki, about Chuvash:

    These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not directly related to the Turkic and Mongolic people along their maternal line but supports the hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group—leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of European origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Slavic and Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers.

    The MtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% Caucasoid, 9.1% Mongoloid and 1.8% unidentifie

    Here are Chuvash people, for example:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80_%D1%87%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D1%85%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BF%D1%83._XIX_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA._%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D1%8B_%28%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8%29.jpg/1200px-thumbnail.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Atner_Huzangaj.jpg

    Kind of what one would expect of a people who are 10% or so Asian.

    Volga Tatars are about twice as Asian as Chuvash - 20% or so.


    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same.
     

    I don't want to provide too may details in order to avoid doxxing myself. I am some sort doctoral level medical professional (PharmD, MD, DO, PhD) working in healthcare.

    Moscow is the nicest large city in the world, and even though through connections I could have gotten a job there, I wouldn't be able to justify the 10x salary differential by staying in that city permanently.


    "I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik."

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.
     

    No it doesn't, Sharikov. When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as "my place" or "our place," whether it be a house or apartment. It does not necessarily mean owning the deed to the property. It's owned by relatives, we lived there when we lived in Moscow, we stay there when we visit, and maybe will live there again.

    "If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.
     

    It seems that you do have an unhealthy obsession, Sharikov, because you keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

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    I do know that Lithuanians are retardation though. Blockading Konigsberg? A million or so cumts in the baltic seething the stage for a widening war.

  88. @prime noticer
    https://imgur.com/a/Wk8cBbT
    Democracy is serious business. that's why we banned all other political parties permanently. and a comedian is the puppet ruler of This Particular Very Serious Democracy.

    also, please don't realize that "Our Democracy" is a euphemism for "Jews run everything, and you never get anything you want." these two phrases are deployed in an indistinguishable manner, one always meaning the other, and even academic scholars would be unable to detect a functional difference, but don't notice that.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Revelation of the method. White Boy bleed a lot, Jew Boy fills his pockets.

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  89. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    This is another one for apey.

    https://i.postimg.cc/qvG12kcB/IQ-in-Russia-Regional-Data.png

    You are of course an idiot apey but the topic seems interesting to me.

    Here is something to consider. For your convenience there's a link again. Open the map in a separate tab.

    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.
     
    No it doesn't and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it's lower than the average, that's not hard to demonstrate.

    Let's take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group.

    Doing this we can exclude ethnic minorities as much as possible, with as little error as possible, considering that these 20 regions are as well the most populous and none of them contains a significant presence of a particular ethnic group, but the Russians.

    The statistics was taken from here – https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Not all of the regions with the highest share of ethnic Russians are featured in the map so one or two had to be skipped, but it doesn't matter, those were regular areas. The idea is to calculate the average score for the largest possible number of ethnic Russians with as little interference or influence from other ethnic groups, as possible.

    To do that, these regions were chosen. The share of ethnic Russians is in percentage, followed with the IQ and the population number is the general population, including minorities followed with the number of ethnic Russians.

    The principle is simple. Moscow has the largest population – 12 615 279 people, of whom 91.6% are ethnic Russians, which makes 11 555 595 of them, and their average IQ is 106.3 giving us the sum total of 1 228 359 808 points.

    Therefore continuing to count like this, one region after another, in the order of decreasing number of ethnic Russians, we an accumulate a pool of more than 50 million people, and that's about a half of all Russians in the federation sampled from the regions with their share of 95.0 average; this is as accurate as we can get.

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

    These are the most populous regions with the largest share of ethnic Russians, with the population of ethnic Russians alone, not counting the minorities, being 50 422 253 people.

    The number of the minorities, subtracted from the general amount is 3 477 070 people, i.e. 6.45% of it, and the ethnic belonging of these minorities is for the most part Ukrainian and Belarusian, so there's no influence of much higher or lower scores.

    Having added the IQ points of all these people, as has been shown, we get sum total of 5 098 710 046 points, that's for 50 422 253 people. So the average score for the ethnic Russians we get is 101.2 – higher than Tatarstan, 99.5 and higher than Chuvashia, 100.2 and higher than any other national republic in the federation.

    This method includes regions from various areas, from the Baltic Sea to the Pacific ocean, the percentage of minorities is minimal the number of participants is huge. There are no Ashkenazim in the mix, no Chinese or Japanese or other high IQ people, so the result is accurate.

    The average score for the ethnic Russians we get here is 101.2 – and that's higher than for any other group on the map.

    Replies: @AP

    Map:

    https://postlmg.cc/bZs0hfF4

    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.

    No it doesn’t and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it’s lower than the average, that’s not hard to demonstrate.

    Let’s take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group….

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

    You conveniently excluded ethnic Russian regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You ignored Irkutskaya Oblast (Russian population 91.41%, almost the same as Moscow’s 91.65%) – which has an average estimated IQ of only 92.9.

    You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions of Russians involved lower-IQ Russians.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow’s high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ from this study, which is would probably be around 100.5 or so. Still slightly higher than Chuvashes (I admit I was wrong on that point) but practically the same as them.*

    Moreover, this IQ estimate is based on PISA scores. We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-russias-iq/

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

    Average White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites (546) but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg (519) and higher than all other Russians.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104.

    But we know that in reality it is 101.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points.

    So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.

    Which number is higher Sharikov, 101 or 97.5?

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. Just not smarter than Muscovites.

    You have failed again and as usual.

    As I said, failing is what you do best.

    Nice work, though.

    *Moreover, the Russian advantage over Tatars (about 2 IQ points) is much smaller than the white American advantage over Blacks (~15 points) or Hispanics (~10 points), so it is incorrect to treat Tatars as a low-performing group akin to Blacks and Hispanics vis a vis Whites.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Hello ape.

    https://i.postimg.cc/dtQ60DWB/Chimpanzee-reading.jpg

    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn't get it.


    You conveniently excluded regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions involved lower-IQ Russians.
     
    Not a single region was on purpose excluded. The regions with the largest numbers of ethnic Russians were featured in the order of decreasing amount, exactly as it was listed in my comment.

    The regions with high percentage of Russians were featured, no attention was paid to the regional score during the selection. This is why the intelligent Tyumen with 103.6 wasn't included – the share of Russians is 73.3 percent, that's not enough. Even though it has a large number of ethnic Russians, despite the low percentage, it wasn't included, because that might introduce a possible influence of some smart minorities on the general score.

    To be precise, the regions with more than 90 percent share of ethnic Russians were put on the list, then the number of minorities was subtracted from the population, and then those regions were positioned according to the number of ethnic Russians, decreasing from top to bottom. Then the first 20 regions on the list were taken for a sample. The sum total of the score points was calculated for each region.

    The average percentage of minorities was calculated for the entire group and it happened to be 95 percent.

    Tyumen has population of 1 518 695 people with 73.3 percent of the being ethnic Russians and the general score of 103.6, so even after having subtracted the 26.7 percent of minorities we still have 1 113 203 of Russians and that's ore than in the featured regions like Kursk with its low 97.1 score, or Kaluga with 94.0, that you said was excluded, which it wasn't. Tyumen wasn't featured because the share of Russians is low.

    Novgorod with 96.5 points wasn't featured, because its population is low – 600 296 people, with 96.5 percent Russians making 570 281, it was outnumbered. Kaluga with 94.0 points has 939 732 of Russians, and Kemerovo with 95.9 points has 2 505 777, so these two got on the list, despite the lower scores, and Novgorod didn't. For the same reason Kostroma with 103.3 score didn't make it on the list.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow’s high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.
     
    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk – that would have been 26 million of ethnic Russians – more than a half of the featured, as well as it would have left us with the population of provinces alone.

    And the same as we can't get a practical impression about intelligence of the Brazilians without counting Rio and Sao Paolo, or the Germans without Berlin and Hamburg, or the Mexicans without Mexico, we can't exclude the most populous cities and regions from Russia, especially considering that those four areas make 20 percent of the entire population.

    So then the decision was to focus on the number of people, keeping in mind that the percentage of minorities should be low. And it happened that in the selected regions on average there's 5 percent of minorities, so it fitted perfectly to my initial intention.

    The high-performing regions of Kaliningrad with 102.8 points, Karelia with 100.9, Komi with 100.8, Omsk with 100.6, Samara with 100.2 had to be excluded, the same as Tyumen with its 103.6 and Kostroma with 103.3, because in these regions either the share of minorities was higher than needed or the population was smaller than in other regions.

    Even though it's obvious, and there's no reason to consider otherwise, that 18 percent of Karelian minorities could not have performed better or worse than 82 percent of their Russian neighbors, with both of them having lived together for centuries, being close, having mixed families – even though it's obvious, the region wasn't included because the percentage of ethnic Russians is lower than 90, and the number is lower than a million.

    The regions featured on the list have at least one million of ethnic Russian population with 5 percent on average share of minorities.

    The share of ethnic Russians in Moscow is 91.6 percent.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ, which would probably be around 100.5 or so.
     
    A dishonesty would have been to include the higher scoring regions instead of the low scoring, such as Kemerovo with 95.9, Voronezh with 97.5, Belgorod with 97.3, Vologda with 97.9, Kursk with 97.1, Kaluga with 94.0 score – but these regions were on the list.

    That would have been easy to substitute these six with the aforementioned high scoring regions. For example Kostroma with 103.3 might have been included, on account of having a higher share of ethnic Russians – 96.6%, compared to Kaluga having 93.1% and 94.0 points. Kemerovo, Voronezh and Belgorod have lower percentages of Russians as well.

    Omsk and Samara could have been included instead of Kursk and Belgorod, on account of having a larger population. Kaliningrad has 13.6 percent of minorities, but of these 7.3 percent are Belarusians and Ukrainians, and it doesn't make it count as minorities, to be fair – so it could and perhaps should have been included, but it wasn't because that would be cherry-picking.

    Had those low scoring six areas been substituted with the better ones, the median score would have been 102.0 – but that's not the real median.

    We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians.
     
    So it was in 2009. The estimated Russian average IQ score based on that test was 95.2 then, but the same test in 2012 showed 97.1, and in 2015 – 98.8, there's no reason to consider that it isn't a stable trend.

    So it was, if it was indeed.

    There's no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There's a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.
     
    First of all, we don't know. Share that information source.

    Second, if we calculate the estimated IQ result from that 518 PISA score, it will be 102.7 and not 104.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points. So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.
     
    You can't count it like that, idiot.

    According to the PISA scores, in that blog, the average score in Russia was 481. After PISA to IQ conversion we get 97.1 points, or to be precise 97.15, as in the graphic that had been shown before. That was in 2012, and the map with regional scores is from 2015.

    The estimated IQ of Russia according to the OECD scores of 2009 was 95.2, and in 2015 it was 98.8, and in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.

    Now we can do as Professor does – if the sore was 95.2 in 2009 and then 98.8 in 2015 that means it had grown on 3.8% in 6 years, therefore in 2021 it was supposed to be 102.5 – bingo!

    And since as we know ethnic Russians are 2.5% more intelligent, the score of ethnic Russians in 2021 was supposed to be 103.7, so tell me professor which number is higher.

    That's stupid. But you would certainly do it.

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. You have failed again and as usual. As I said, failing is what you do best.
     
    You know what you remind me about?

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.

    That's you, AP.

    Let me show you how to count. You need to take the PISA score, and keeping in mind that the mean number for it is 500 and deviation 100, translate it to the IQ scale where the mean is 100 and deviation 15. To do this we subtract or add the deviation from the mean.

    Keeping that relationship.

    Your problem, professor is that of a person who is good at learning and remembering, but is bad at logic and reasoning. You are that person, who is holding a huge pile of information in his head, and considers himself intelligent because he kind of knows it, even though in truth he remembers what others taught him, and doesn't know it because he figured it out – he remembers, what other people had figured out, and he was taught.

    You can't think.

    Once confronted with an argument that requires reasoning, you are mediocre at best.

    Have a good one.

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  90. AP says:
    @A123
    For anyone interested in firearm statistics.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://i0.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/ed-assets/2022/06/IMG_0538.jpg

    Replies: @AP

    Fake map. The total homicide rate in Finland hasn’t exceeded 1.9 since 2010:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/529659/victims-of-homicide-rate-finland/

    So from guns alone it can’t be 3.3.

    Here is a nice interactive map:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race

    Overall, white Americans are in a similar boat with eastern Europeans. Homicide rate (2.2) equal to Montenegro, lower than in Belarus (2.4) or Hungary (2.5) or Lithuania (4.6)*. Although White Americans are swimming in guns, they aren’t killing one another all that much. But don’t pretend they are less dangerous than Finns or Austrians.

    ::::::::::::

    Of course, America is diverse even within race. American Whites overall may be like Visegrad, but whites in New England probably have a profile similar to that of western Europeans, whereas white Southerners are probably down at post-Soviet levels.

    * Hispanic Americans (3.6) are actually safer than Lithuanians.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP

    It is an accurate chart, but not well labelled, so you misinterpreted. It is not per 100,000 people.

    The graphic appears to be homicides per 100,000 private, legally owned, firearms.

    I will attempt to back track for an underlying article with more context.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    Retard alert. Total BS you idiot. Its no dispute that white Americans are MUCH more violent and have much higher homicide rate than Europeans you POS. When accounting for blacks being only 10% of US population and Hispanics - then its obvious White US homicide rate is 10x higher than Western Europe, and 2-3 times higher than Belarus you fuckwit.

    Is the fact that in addition to Belarus being far more prosperous and annihilating 404 /Ukraine on every business and social metric...
    it also is far safer to avoid murder in Belarus, than the richer US - making a jealous retard as yourself write such garbage?

    Beautiful Soviet Union always much safer than US.
    The vast majority of American gun owners are responsible - but that doesn't detract from the much higher violence level, way above European countries with similar pro-gun laws .

    Degenerate, lazy immoral White American parenting could be partially to blame - It's no surprise that the last mass-shooting by a non-adult in Russia, was a kid with a Jehovah's Witness mother - a pindosi bitch.

    And its ALWAYS been like this - long before the migration of blacks from the South to the North East of the USA, the big cities like New York, Chicago and Boston had a big reputation around the world for lots and lots of violent crimes you imbecile - from shootings and stabbings. European cities during WW2 and even during the desperate POST-WW2 immediate aftermath, NEVER had violence at level of Americans in peacetime!

    Why do you think the legal age for alcohol in the US is a laughably high 21 you idiot? All this while in Mediterranean Europe 12 year olds are drinking wine at the dinner table with their parents knowing their children are responsible. It's because of the extra threat of violence and crime happening, compared to to the miniscule amount in Western and Eastern Europe . White American parents are thanking God the laws aren't as lenient in the US - because then now many extra acts of their kids general violence, drink driving and stealing their guns for some prank that goes badly wrong would occur.

    Why do you think anti-alcohol laws tougher than anything that ever has or ever will exist in western or soviet Europe were implemented in the US in the 1920s`? Because of violence in American society (and some anti-catholicism)
    To any non-retard there is no comparison of the low-level violence of Western Europeans and Southern slavs...... to the very high volume violence and murder by White Americans now and historically. Its probably only because millions of fat Americans are busy sitting on their asses on the Internet, that the gap between Europe and US isn't even larger

  91. @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    Europe has been in a slow decline for a very long time – since the end of WWI. The Ukraine debacle will end in a rapid decline, particularly for Germany.
     
    More information on how Europe is directly responsible for Europe's decline.

    When Russian President Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine on February 24, the European Union responded the following day with a package of unprecedented economic sanctions aimed at isolating Russia.

    The EU, which was praised for displaying "determination, unity and speed" in its response to Putin, was said to be facing a "transformative moment" that would allow the bloc to become a "geostrategic actor" on the global stage. An observer claimed that the EU had become "a top geopolitical protagonist" and that Europe "discovered that it's a superpower."

    On March 21, less than a month after Russia invaded Ukraine, European officials announced an ambitious plan for the EU to achieve "strategic autonomy" aimed at placing the 27-member bloc on equal footing with China and the United States. The implicit objective was to enable a "sovereign" EU to act independently of the United States and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in matters of defense and security. That plan is now in shambles.

    As the war has dragged on, European unity has collapsed and efforts to transform the European Union into a European superstate — a United States of Europe — have been exposed for what they are: delusions of grandeur.
     
    And, it is not just Ukraine. Brussels over reach has offended both Poland and Hungary over other issues such as culture an economy. Germany's 'leadership' towards Open [Muslim] Borders has done much to shatter comity. Lack of Trust is now the definitive, core EU value.

    Ultimately, the EU/EZ myth needs to end and be replaced by something less ambitious, limited to the small subset of things where commonality exists.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18610/eu-superpower-delusion

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @Wokechoke

    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.
     
    Merkel specifically, and Germany generally, have been the #1 disruptive force in the EU. If the EU is to be saved, the essential first step is expelling Germany.

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Verymuchalive

  92. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke
    @A123

    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.

    Replies: @A123

    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.

    Merkel specifically, and Germany generally, have been the #1 disruptive force in the EU. If the EU is to be saved, the essential first step is expelling Germany.

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    If the EU is anything it's an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.


    You are off your rocker.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    Another excellent insightful comment. You're not off your rocker: Wokechoke is

    Germany is at the heart of the EU scam. Before the Euro ( 2002), the EU was something of a captive market for German manufactures and finance, especially the former. The Euro was devised, largely by German financiers, to ensure that the EU would be a completely captive market. The result has been disastrous for industry, especially in Mediterranean countries and Eastern Europe. It has also caused serious hardship for much of the population in many of these countries. This is best exemplified by the case of Greece.

    Greece went into economic crisis after 2008. There are 5 main options in dealing with a financial crisis.

    1) DEVALUE THE CURRENCY
    This results in home-grown goods and services being much more competitive in price. Imports increase in price, but this encourages import substitution. But Greece no longer had its own currency. It has the Euro, controlled by the European Central Bank, based in Berlin and run by and for German interests. They would not devalue the Euro for Greece. The only way for Greece would be to resurrect the Drachma and to leave the EU. This would take years, as we have seen with the UK, with the EU puting obstacle after obstacle in Greece's path. Nothing could be done at all quickly.

    2) DEFAULT ON THE NATIONAL DEBT OR WRITE IT DOWN
    This was opposed by the ECB. The vast bulk of the debt is owed to German and French banks, in whose interests the ECB acts. In order to default or write down, the Drachma would have to be revived To follow this course, Greece would also have to leave the EU. As previously outlined, this would take years. Greece hasn't left and, as a result, now has a National Debt equivalent to 200% of GDP.

    3) IMPOSE TARIFFS ON IMPORTED GOODS AND SERVICES
    As Greece is in the Eurozone - a free trade zone - this would mean Greece having to leave the EU



    The adoption of the Euro prevented options 1 and 2. If Greece still had the Drachma it could have devalued the currency. Greek goods and services would have become more competitive vis-a-vis imported German ones. It could have defaulted or written down its National Debt and interest payments would have ceased or eased. This would have caused friction with the EU, but Greece would still be able to do it. I suspect that Greece would have had to leave the EU shortly thereafter, though.

    With options 1,2, and 3 precluded, that leaves only options 4 and 5 in play.

    4) REDUCE GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE
    This was what the EU and the financiers forced on Greece. Severe cuts in expenditure have resulted in reductions of benefits and serious hardship for most of the population. Options 1 and 2 promised a revival in economic activity. Without 1 and 2, reducing government expenditure is futile. It depresses demand in a depressed economy even further. Greece has experienced nearly 15 years of austerity now. And the bankers still won't get their money back. Sometime in the future Greece will still need to default.

    5) SELL PUBLIC ASSETS
    e.g Piraeus Harbour, various airports etc.
    If you are selling public assets, you must sell during periods of economic expansion. Selling in times of austerity amounts to little more than asset stripping.Anyway, the effect on debt repayment is negligible.


    You say:


    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.
     
    Very sensible. But the politicos and Eurocrats who run the EU are ideologues, not sensible people. The people to whom they answer - mainly German industrialists and financiers - want the EU to go on forever.
    So there will be a catastrophic collapse. That is predictable. . However, the actual details of that collapse will certainly be unpredictable..

    Replies: @A123

  93. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    You mean that their elderly Russians are that virile? Wow, a race of true superbeings. Does Karlin realize this? I think that if he did, he wouldn't be wasting his time fooling around with cryogenics. :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    Cato the Elder had his first son when he was 80.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird

    Michael Collins father was 74 when he had him. The father had married a 23 year old at 60, and the marriage was said to be happy.

  94. @AP
    @A123

    Fake map. The total homicide rate in Finland hasn't exceeded 1.9 since 2010:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/529659/victims-of-homicide-rate-finland/

    So from guns alone it can't be 3.3.

    Here is a nice interactive map:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race

    Overall, white Americans are in a similar boat with eastern Europeans. Homicide rate (2.2) equal to Montenegro, lower than in Belarus (2.4) or Hungary (2.5) or Lithuania (4.6)*. Although White Americans are swimming in guns, they aren't killing one another all that much. But don't pretend they are less dangerous than Finns or Austrians.

    ::::::::::::

    Of course, America is diverse even within race. American Whites overall may be like Visegrad, but whites in New England probably have a profile similar to that of western Europeans, whereas white Southerners are probably down at post-Soviet levels.

    * Hispanic Americans (3.6) are actually safer than Lithuanians.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    It is an accurate chart, but not well labelled, so you misinterpreted. It is not per 100,000 people.

    The graphic appears to be homicides per 100,000 private, legally owned, firearms.

    I will attempt to back track for an underlying article with more context.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123

    Ok, that is realistic.

  95. @A123
    @AP

    It is an accurate chart, but not well labelled, so you misinterpreted. It is not per 100,000 people.

    The graphic appears to be homicides per 100,000 private, legally owned, firearms.

    I will attempt to back track for an underlying article with more context.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    Ok, that is realistic.

  96. S says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin_the_Mad_Monk

    I thought Radzinski's book very readable. Edvard Radzinsky The Rasputin File.

    He has a photo of Rasputin holding a pencil really clumsy. The man was close to illiterate. The worst thing the secret police had on him was he patronized prostitutes and they were in possession of interviews with more than one of the prostitutes who testified that all Rasputin did in exchange for the money was make them listen to a repent and be saved pitch. He was the only one in the czar's inside circle who adamantly counseled against the war. Obviously he had to go.

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend. There aren't any government records except much later interviews by the commies of the czar's secret police who they killed right after the interviews. There were different stories so the legend became they had to do this and then that and after this other thing to kill him.

    It certainly is a great story though.

    Replies: @S, @S

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend.

    Yeah, checking just now, the autopsy performed upon Rasputin found no sign of poison, or water in the lungs, but found three bullet wounds, with some apparent post mortem trauma.

    The account generally repeated of Rasputin’s murder is that of the prince primarily responsible for it.

    It would have been behooving to him and his accomplices to make Rasputin out to be some kind of almost unkillable monster, who could only just barely be stopped, rather than appear to be the victim of a planned cold blooded execution.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    Loose end from above:

    Charlotte Cowell is the Tomberg scholar whose last name I was blanking on. She has a riveting tale of the Bolshevik black magicians harassing him into migrating away from Lithuania but the source documentation is not in English.

    More if you are interested although it is hard for me to imagine that many people are:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_UqN8_5JNQ

    There are enormous libraries filled with Russian esoterica to get lost in.

  97. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin_the_Mad_Monk

    I thought Radzinski's book very readable. Edvard Radzinsky The Rasputin File.

    He has a photo of Rasputin holding a pencil really clumsy. The man was close to illiterate. The worst thing the secret police had on him was he patronized prostitutes and they were in possession of interviews with more than one of the prostitutes who testified that all Rasputin did in exchange for the money was make them listen to a repent and be saved pitch. He was the only one in the czar's inside circle who adamantly counseled against the war. Obviously he had to go.

    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend. There aren't any government records except much later interviews by the commies of the czar's secret police who they killed right after the interviews. There were different stories so the legend became they had to do this and then that and after this other thing to kill him.

    It certainly is a great story though.

    Replies: @S, @S

    There are many film Rasputins. My favorite is definitely Christopher Lee. Among the ones I have seen.

    The Hammer films of the 1950’s and 60’s are primo.

  98. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Cato the Elder had his first son when he was 80.

    Replies: @S

    Michael Collins father was 74 when he had him. The father had married a 23 year old at 60, and the marriage was said to be happy.

    • Thanks: songbird
  99. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.
     
    Merkel specifically, and Germany generally, have been the #1 disruptive force in the EU. If the EU is to be saved, the essential first step is expelling Germany.

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Verymuchalive

    If the EU is anything it’s an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.

    You are off your rocker.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    If the EU is anything it’s an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.
     
    Then they should be honest about that. Dissolve the EU and replace it were with a bilateral agreement between France And Germany.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  100. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The same researchers who came up with 103.2 also came up with 96.5 and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ.

    And as you have been told and shown as well that there are better and more recent references
     

    They are more recent references but they are not better, because they are merely estimates of IQ based on PISA scores and not measures of IQ itself.

    When Russian IQ was measured the actual scores were 96.5 on average (personally, I think it might be a little low, but that's what it is).


    Ten years old data without any specifics given is not an acceptable reference to me
     
    Sharikjv can't read. The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009 .

    As we have seen and will see again, you are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims.

    The authors made a study in which the Russian IQ was about 103. The same authors explained that this was the overall average Russian IQ but higher because the sample were kids of professionals in an urban area. The actual average Russian IQ, according to the authors, was 96.5.

    You chose to believe the author's 103 but not their 96.5.


    No need to argue here about anything, because in any case there is not enough data at hand to make a reasonable conclusion. There is a note in the bottom of the page – “Racial categories exclude Hispanic origin”. That is, Multiracial doesn’t include Hispanics.
     
    In the TIMMS study, you wanted the number of White-performing Americans to be the same percentage of the population as the number of ethnic Russians in Russia. However, they are not. Russians are about 80% of Russia's population.

    Since blacks are about 13% and Hispanics about 18% of America's population, Americans that do not belong to those two groups are only about 70% of America's population.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are equally comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    making ridiculous statements that white Americans are more intelligent than ethnic Russians, based on the same fragmentary data.
     

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average (as you proved in your other post), this would not be enough to close the gap with the white Americans.

    TIMMS, science, grade 4: US Whites: 570; Russians: 567
    TIMMS, science, grade 8: US Whites: 557; Russians: 544


    Good that finally you agree with something I have written. And they are of about 80%-90% Slavic plus Finnic descent and only about 20% of Asian descent.

    As a matter of fact it’s wrong either. Various groups of the Tatar people have different genetics, and the fact that twenty percent of them share the R1a haplogroup with the Russians doesn’t mean that they are twenty percent Slavic.

     

    In that part of the world (the Volga) R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin. And I never claimed Finns, but Finnic.

    Wiki, about Chuvash:

    These tests suggest that the Chuvash are not directly related to the Turkic and Mongolic people along their maternal line but supports the hypothesis that their language was imposed by a conquering group—leaving Chuvash mtDNA largely of European origin with a small amount of Central Asian gene flow. Their maternal markers appear to most closely resemble Slavic and Finno-Ugric speakers rather than fellow Turkic speakers.

    The MtDNA gene pool was found to be 89.1% Caucasoid, 9.1% Mongoloid and 1.8% unidentifie

    Here are Chuvash people, for example:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/%D0%93%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80_%D1%87%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%8B_%D1%85%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BF%D1%83._XIX_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA._%D0%A1%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B3%D1%80%D1%83%D0%BF%D0%BF%D1%8B_%28%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82_%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%87%D0%B8%29.jpg/1200px-thumbnail.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Atner_Huzangaj.jpg

    Kind of what one would expect of a people who are 10% or so Asian.

    Volga Tatars are about twice as Asian as Chuvash - 20% or so.


    So says the idiot who imagines that I am the grandson of some Bolshevik or that I work as a clerk in an office.

    Come on enlighten me. Tell me more about yourself. You are not a clerk, but to me any office work is the same.
     

    I don't want to provide too may details in order to avoid doxxing myself. I am some sort doctoral level medical professional (PharmD, MD, DO, PhD) working in healthcare.

    Moscow is the nicest large city in the world, and even though through connections I could have gotten a job there, I wouldn't be able to justify the 10x salary differential by staying in that city permanently.


    "I have not lied and I have been consistent. I have access to a flat on Tverskaya, where I have lived and where maybe I will live again. I did not mention “distant” relatives, the owners are close to me, but they are not my ancestors. Not a single one of my ancestors was a Bolshevik."

    You have been consistent in lying. No one will disagree with that. You said “we will get back our old flat in a Stalin’s house” and that implies it belongs to you or your parents, now you are singing a different song.
     

    No it doesn't, Sharikov. When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as "my place" or "our place," whether it be a house or apartment. It does not necessarily mean owning the deed to the property. It's owned by relatives, we lived there when we lived in Moscow, we stay there when we visit, and maybe will live there again.

    "If you were a little smarter, Sharikov, you would have figured it all out on your own. But of course, you “don’t even understand that a person he is talking to might be something very different from what he is imagining him to be.”

    You can’t imagine how much my thoughts are dwelling on your so intriguing personality – can’t stop thinking about you, trying to figure it out.
     

    It seems that you do have an unhealthy obsession, Sharikov, because you keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Here Be Dragon

    Yo ape it would be nice if you could spend a few minutes reading my comment first, and then reply. Because you would not have said a bunch of not so relevant stupidities if you had read it.

    The references were the chart that is showing the score of that test in Russia has been growing and has risen on 3.5 percent in 5 years, and that was seven years ago. Therefore the result can be even better now, so it’s not fare to compare the latest American score to the outdated Russian.

    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test, so the result doesn’t correlate and a comparison is reasonable as long as we compare the scores of one particular test.

    That graphic showing the score growth is showing as well that the latest result was 98.8, but then again it wasn’t the Wehsler test, nor was it the the Standard Progressive Matrices, so the resulting scores are not comparable.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.

    You understand that it could have been a test in a bunch of other schools in ten cities or something like that, and that it doesn’t in this case show the real average result.

    The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009.

    Yes but it’s used to demonstrate that the intelligence of ethnic Russians is higher than of other national groups and not to compare it with other tests.

    You are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims. You chose to believe the author’s 103 but not their 96.5.

    Yes because that doesn’t make sense. The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument. About 75 percent of the Russian population live in urban areas and Kazakhstan is not some kind of megalopolis.

    The result should not have been that low.

    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.

    Not really, no. There is a quote below, take a look. These are different categories and there’s a confusion, one person can be featured both as a Hispanic and as Multiracial at the same time.

    My argument was correct, logically, but the problem was that at the time the test was taken the percentage of people who registered as Multiracial was lower than 10.2, so the numbers didn’t fit in the end.

    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average, this would not be enough to close the gap.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.

    Considering that we can compare the US scores.

    US Whites: 570; Russians: 567 – 99.4%
    US Whites: 557; Russians: 544 – 97.6%

    So it looks like we have enough here to close the gap.

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people. The dominant haplogroup matters the most.

    N is their dominant haplogroup.

    When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.

    You keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.

    And you keep insulting me and getting irritated. You got caught, apey. You got caught.

    You are a liar.

    [MORE]

    Multiracial Americans –

    According to the 2018 U.S. Census 3.2% of the total U.S. population. According to the 2020 U.S. Census 10.2% of the total U.S population.

    Multiracial groups in the United States include many African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Métis Americans, Louisiana Creoles and several other communities found primarily in the Eastern US.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test
     
    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.
     
    So? If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5.

    You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument
     
    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.
     
    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty, Sharikov.

    As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions (for example, Irkutsk oblast has almost the same % of Russians as Moscow, but it's average estimated IQ was 92.9 so you conveniently did not include it). You included the Moscow outlier but didn't include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I'd guess around 100.5 or so.

    This means that ethnic Russians score would be an estimated 1.0172x the overall Russian result.

    So the adjusted scores would be:

    4th grade US Whites: 570; Russians: 576
    8th grade US Whites: 557; Russians: 553

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people.
     
    And also Mari and Udmurts. Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    Mari:

    https://gdb.rferl.org/961391B6-8996-4D26-AB66-67C0F63B9541_w1071_s_d3.jpg

    Here are Udmurts:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg


    "When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment."

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.
     
    Liar, I never said that.

    As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you.

    My exact words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    "Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya."

    So now once again you are caught in a lie, Sharikov.

    In addition to failing often, you lie often. Your only two talents.

    My words were in response to another of your many lies: "Your hatred of Russia, and all things Russian, and the Russian people."

    I don't all things Russian, nor "the Russian people." I do hate the grotesque mockery of Russia that was the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

  101. @Callsign Pidor
    https://i.ibb.co/MDPF8Ht/fail.jpg

    Replies: @nickels, @Philip Owen

    Yeah totally.
    If I ever see arrows on a military map again I am going to puke.

  102. @AP
    @A123

    Fake map. The total homicide rate in Finland hasn't exceeded 1.9 since 2010:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/529659/victims-of-homicide-rate-finland/

    So from guns alone it can't be 3.3.

    Here is a nice interactive map:

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/05/21/how-america-compares-to-the-world-when-split-by-race

    Overall, white Americans are in a similar boat with eastern Europeans. Homicide rate (2.2) equal to Montenegro, lower than in Belarus (2.4) or Hungary (2.5) or Lithuania (4.6)*. Although White Americans are swimming in guns, they aren't killing one another all that much. But don't pretend they are less dangerous than Finns or Austrians.

    ::::::::::::

    Of course, America is diverse even within race. American Whites overall may be like Visegrad, but whites in New England probably have a profile similar to that of western Europeans, whereas white Southerners are probably down at post-Soviet levels.

    * Hispanic Americans (3.6) are actually safer than Lithuanians.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    Retard alert. Total BS you idiot. Its no dispute that white Americans are MUCH more violent and have much higher homicide rate than Europeans you POS. When accounting for blacks being only 10% of US population and Hispanics – then its obvious White US homicide rate is 10x higher than Western Europe, and 2-3 times higher than Belarus you fuckwit.

    Is the fact that in addition to Belarus being far more prosperous and annihilating 404 /Ukraine on every business and social metric…
    it also is far safer to avoid murder in Belarus, than the richer US – making a jealous retard as yourself write such garbage?

    Beautiful Soviet Union always much safer than US.
    The vast majority of American gun owners are responsible – but that doesn’t detract from the much higher violence level, way above European countries with similar pro-gun laws .

    Degenerate, lazy immoral White American parenting could be partially to blame – It’s no surprise that the last mass-shooting by a non-adult in Russia, was a kid with a Jehovah’s Witness mother – a pindosi bitch.

    And its ALWAYS been like this – long before the migration of blacks from the South to the North East of the USA, the big cities like New York, Chicago and Boston had a big reputation around the world for lots and lots of violent crimes you imbecile – from shootings and stabbings. European cities during WW2 and even during the desperate POST-WW2 immediate aftermath, NEVER had violence at level of Americans in peacetime!

    Why do you think the legal age for alcohol in the US is a laughably high 21 you idiot? All this while in Mediterranean Europe 12 year olds are drinking wine at the dinner table with their parents knowing their children are responsible. It’s because of the extra threat of violence and crime happening, compared to to the miniscule amount in Western and Eastern Europe . White American parents are thanking God the laws aren’t as lenient in the US – because then now many extra acts of their kids general violence, drink driving and stealing their guns for some prank that goes badly wrong would occur.

    Why do you think anti-alcohol laws tougher than anything that ever has or ever will exist in western or soviet Europe were implemented in the US in the 1920s`? Because of violence in American society (and some anti-catholicism)
    To any non-retard there is no comparison of the low-level violence of Western Europeans and Southern slavs…… to the very high volume violence and murder by White Americans now and historically. Its probably only because millions of fat Americans are busy sitting on their asses on the Internet, that the gap between Europe and US isn’t even larger

  103. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Yo ape it would be nice if you could spend a few minutes reading my comment first, and then reply. Because you would not have said a bunch of not so relevant stupidities if you had read it.

    The references were the chart that is showing the score of that test in Russia has been growing and has risen on 3.5 percent in 5 years, and that was seven years ago. Therefore the result can be even better now, so it's not fare to compare the latest American score to the outdated Russian.

    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it's the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test, so the result doesn't correlate and a comparison is reasonable as long as we compare the scores of one particular test.

    That graphic showing the score growth is showing as well that the latest result was 98.8, but then again it wasn't the Wehsler test, nor was it the the Standard Progressive Matrices, so the resulting scores are not comparable.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn't explain, or at least in that quote didn't show how and where the samples were taken.

    You understand that it could have been a test in a bunch of other schools in ten cities or something like that, and that it doesn't in this case show the real average result.


    The map you posted with the data you prefer states that it is based on ISA scores from 2009.
     
    Yes but it's used to demonstrate that the intelligence of ethnic Russians is higher than of other national groups and not to compare it with other tests.

    You are intellectually dishonest and only consider acceptable that which corresponds to your wrong claims. You chose to believe the author’s 103 but not their 96.5.
     
    Yes because that doesn't make sense. The "sample were kids of professionals in an urban area" is not a good argument. About 75 percent of the Russian population live in urban areas and Kazakhstan is not some kind of megalopolis.

    The result should not have been that low.


    Rather than accept that one cannot therefore assume that the general populations are comparable, you made a dishonest and convoluted argument in which you mixed up multiracials and Hispanics.
     
    Not really, no. There is a quote below, take a look. These are different categories and there's a confusion, one person can be featured both as a Hispanic and as Multiracial at the same time.

    My argument was correct, logically, but the problem was that at the time the test was taken the percentage of people who registered as Multiracial was lower than 10.2, so the numbers didn't fit in the end.


    White Americans certainly score higher on TIMMS than do the people of Russia. And even though ethnic Russians likely score slightly above the Russian average, this would not be enough to close the gap.
     
    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.

    Considering that we can compare the US scores.

    US Whites: 570; Russians: 567 – 99.4%
    US Whites: 557; Russians: 544 – 97.6%

    So it looks like we have enough here to close the gap.


    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.
     
    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people. The dominant haplogroup matters the most.

    N is their dominant haplogroup.


    When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.
     
    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.

    You keep mentioning that flat in Tverskaya over and over again.
     
    And you keep insulting me and getting irritated. You got caught, apey. You got caught.

    You are a liar.


    Multiracial Americans –

    According to the 2018 U.S. Census 3.2% of the total U.S. population. According to the 2020 U.S. Census 10.2% of the total U.S population.

    Multiracial groups in the United States include many African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Métis Americans, Louisiana Creoles and several other communities found primarily in the Eastern US.

    Replies: @AP

    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test

    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.

    So? If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5.

    You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument

    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty, Sharikov.

    As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions (for example, Irkutsk oblast has almost the same % of Russians as Moscow, but it’s average estimated IQ was 92.9 so you conveniently did not include it). You included the Moscow outlier but didn’t include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    This means that ethnic Russians score would be an estimated 1.0172x the overall Russian result.

    So the adjusted scores would be:

    4th grade US Whites: 570; Russians: 576
    8th grade US Whites: 557; Russians: 553

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people.

    And also Mari and Udmurts. Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    Mari:

    Here are Udmurts:

    [MORE]

    “When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.

    Liar, I never said that.

    As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you.

    My exact words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So now once again you are caught in a lie, Sharikov.

    In addition to failing often, you lie often. Your only two talents.

    My words were in response to another of your many lies: “Your hatred of Russia, and all things Russian, and the Russian people.”

    I don’t all things Russian, nor “the Russian people.” I do hate the grotesque mockery of Russia that was the USSR.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    The pretty Mari woman could easily pass for a Ukrainian one. I knew a gorgeous blonde one from Kherson that looked very similar to her.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Barbarossa
    @AP

    Well everyone, I'm really excited to get to the part of AP/ Here Be Dragon's argument where one of them says,

    "Golly Gee, that last point really made me think! I guess you've been right all along, and thanks so much for taking the time to pass along all that wisdom and demonstrating the errors in my logic!"

    I'm sure it's coming any comment now...

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Hi, chimpanzee.

    Shall we continue?


    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.
     
    Thank you sweetheart, for this valuable information. You are very helpful. And very cute.

    Now listen to me.

    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale. The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years and has become a standard for measuring intelligence, because no other test does it better. WAIS is the most widespread IQ test in the world.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn't mean that these results correlate and can be compared. One is a serious and comprehensive examination for adult people, the other is a childish game.

    As for the PISA test it's more or less acceptable as a comparison and there is a correlation between the two however it's not the same either – it was designed for school students, and contains mathematics, science and reading, but no logic and reasoning, though some questions require logical thinking.

    This test isn't bad as long as a person remembers what he has been taught. A lot of people of course begin to forget most of that soon enough after finishing the school, so if we are talking about 8-grade children we can use it, but it isn't as useful when we are talking about adult people, as the WAIS test.

    You should take this test, because you need to get grounded. Your self-importance is comical.

    Take the test.


    If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5. You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.
     
    No we can and should disregard it, because it shouldn't be that much lower, considering that 103.2 was obtained from a sample of children in a provincial town.

    The quotation didn't feature information, explaining where the 96.5 score comes from. Perhaps a bunch of villages.

    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.
     
    Yes, if the average is not the children of professionals in an urban environment as well, which it is – in Russia, 75 percent of population lives in an urban environment. The population of rural areas is about 35 million, the population of big cities is about the same.

    High scoring Russians from the big cities compensate for the low scores of the peasants.

    Russia ranks fourth in the world for the number of cities with populations over a million people. There are fifteen such cities, with the sum total of population about 33.5 million people, and more than a half of them live in Moscow and St Petersburg.

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.
     
    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what's the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there's no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it's not 101.2, it's 101.12, a digit didn't click – mechanical error.

    Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.
     
    And it doesn't mean anything.

    Chuvash and Tatar people are Turkic, Udmurt and Mari people are Finnic. Chuvash and Tatar people are less homogeneous, Udmurt and Mari are more homogeneous.

    56 percent of Udmurt people belong to haplogroup N3 and 28 to N2, 50 percent of Mari belong to N3 and 30 percent of Chuvash and Tatar people belong to some other subclades – it doesn't really mean anything.

    The fact is, Turkic and Finnic peoples don't mix.

    Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”
     
    So what's the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.

    Dumbass.

    Replies: @AP

  104. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    cholitas – they can be lovely, but they don’t age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?
     
    You seem lacking in knowledge about apricot nalivka too. First It's nalivka not nalinka from the root Ukrainian word Nalivaty (to pour). It's a delicious liqueur, not a palinka (which is good in its own right too). The best nalivka's and probably palinkas too are ones that have been aged well. Once, I found a gallon jug hidden in a low corner in my mother's basement pantry, where she kept all of the canned vegetables and fruits that she prepared every year. At first we didn't know what it was, because the fruit within was very dark looking, and not really looking very appetizing. We poured the liquid anyway and gave it a try - the most delicious nectar this side of heaven that you've ever tasted, truly. It was made of once fully ripened apricots that had shriveled up over the years giving up their liquid to produce a heavenly product, probably about 15 years old. The same with women. If you treat them right and let them mature in a safe and nurturing atmosphere, they also can mature into a fantastic end product too.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    I don't agree with you about the outcome at all. I think that we're about halfway through with this war and that as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase. We'll have to wait and see. I pray that Ukraine finally gets this huge bully off of its back.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Gerard1234

    From the root Ukrainian word Nalivatu (to pour)

    You seriously write this garbage with a straight face you demented retard?

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word you dumb prick, with common Slavic root. Nalivka, and ever more so the apricot one is a RUSSIAN drink not ukrop you imbecile. There is no “Ukrainian” language either. They even only call it that in 404 because that drink the Russians specifically named it that! Exact same thing as with Borscht – a completely Russian word (which the dish has f**k-all connection with Galician/Bukovina sub-roma morons)

    Stop parasiting off Russian World you POS.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Gerard1234

    https://i0.wp.com/www.themarginalian.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/liberacecooks6.jpg?w=480&ssl=1

    Geraldina in the kitchen with his mother cooking Russian borscht. Must be Russian because Ukrainians cook only borshch, with no t needed at the end. Two different soups spelled differently for two different peoples. :-)

    , @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word, with common Slavic root.
     
    It's a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning "to pour" or "rain".

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  105. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    From the root Ukrainian word Nalivatu (to pour)
     
    You seriously write this garbage with a straight face you demented retard?

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word you dumb prick, with common Slavic root. Nalivka, and ever more so the apricot one is a RUSSIAN drink not ukrop you imbecile. There is no "Ukrainian" language either. They even only call it that in 404 because that drink the Russians specifically named it that! Exact same thing as with Borscht - a completely Russian word (which the dish has f**k-all connection with Galician/Bukovina sub-roma morons)

    Stop parasiting off Russian World you POS.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Geraldina in the kitchen with his mother cooking Russian borscht. Must be Russian because Ukrainians cook only borshch, with no t needed at the end. Two different soups spelled differently for two different peoples. 🙂

  106. Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.

    After the humiliating defeat and complete retreat from Kiev and Sumy, it is now being chased out of metro Kharkiv back all the way to its borders, and losing ground every single week around Kherson.

    All it can do now is very slowly flatten random cities with weeks of shelling, then take their abandoned and worthless ruins. Even that it does slowly and with high casualties.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation).

    Deny and cope Russobots, but in your heart you know you’re third class, and USA #1.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Pixo


    Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.
     
    It is that "Fuller!" The man who literally secured the import of 2 Chechen terrorists and married his daughter off to their uncle! Sounds like a solid guy.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.
     
    China will now be the alternative source for military kit, to the US, not Russia. There's no prestige left with the Russian military.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!
     
    Yes, it is a joke. The only people who like Russia any more are those who are permanently set against "the current thing."
    And unsurprisingly, people who define themselves as solely anti-everything that is successful, tend to be extremely marginal.

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation)
     
    Perfect analogy. What's most hilarious is that the Russia bots are still gloating about Russian military supremacy. I can't imagine Americans watch the US military fail to capture Vancouver in 4 months and yet somehow claiming that this is an incredible American performance. Or that America is winning. I suppose, unconsciously, losing, to people who deeply want to lose, because they are losers, feels like winning.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  107. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test
     
    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.
     
    So? If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5.

    You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument
     
    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.
     
    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty, Sharikov.

    As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions (for example, Irkutsk oblast has almost the same % of Russians as Moscow, but it's average estimated IQ was 92.9 so you conveniently did not include it). You included the Moscow outlier but didn't include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I'd guess around 100.5 or so.

    This means that ethnic Russians score would be an estimated 1.0172x the overall Russian result.

    So the adjusted scores would be:

    4th grade US Whites: 570; Russians: 576
    8th grade US Whites: 557; Russians: 553

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people.
     
    And also Mari and Udmurts. Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    Mari:

    https://gdb.rferl.org/961391B6-8996-4D26-AB66-67C0F63B9541_w1071_s_d3.jpg

    Here are Udmurts:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg


    "When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment."

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.
     
    Liar, I never said that.

    As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you.

    My exact words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    "Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya."

    So now once again you are caught in a lie, Sharikov.

    In addition to failing often, you lie often. Your only two talents.

    My words were in response to another of your many lies: "Your hatred of Russia, and all things Russian, and the Russian people."

    I don't all things Russian, nor "the Russian people." I do hate the grotesque mockery of Russia that was the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

    The pretty Mari woman could easily pass for a Ukrainian one. I knew a gorgeous blonde one from Kherson that looked very similar to her.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Here's one for you:

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  108. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Ukraine has already become a de facto NATO client state, in case you haven't noticed. I can only see this relationship growing as time goes on. Putler, on the other hand, instead of "protecting" Kharkiv from NATO involvement, has solely opened up the opportunity for Norway and Finland to become full fledged members de jure, by his stupid actions. He's certainly not the wily chess player that some have opined about. He's going to end up the big dummy in all of this, and as I predicted early on, China will end up being the big winner.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Callsign Pidor, @Pixo

    “China will end up being the big winner.”

    If it convinces China invading Taiwan would be really stupid, yes.

    But the direct and immediate winners are non-Russian oil exporters, who are making ungodly profits even while they increase production. Venezuela and Iran especially are winners as the US quietly eases off on our economic warfare against them so they can export more oil.

    US profits from very high LNG export prices might end up more than covering the cost of the weapons Ukraine is getting.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Pixo

    I would think that American, Canadian and Mexican oil companies are doing quite well too right now.

  109. @Pixo
    @Mr. Hack

    “China will end up being the big winner.”

    If it convinces China invading Taiwan would be really stupid, yes.

    But the direct and immediate winners are non-Russian oil exporters, who are making ungodly profits even while they increase production. Venezuela and Iran especially are winners as the US quietly eases off on our economic warfare against them so they can export more oil.

    US profits from very high LNG export prices might end up more than covering the cost of the weapons Ukraine is getting.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I would think that American, Canadian and Mexican oil companies are doing quite well too right now.

  110. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    The pretty Mari woman could easily pass for a Ukrainian one. I knew a gorgeous blonde one from Kherson that looked very similar to her.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Here’s one for you:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    ???...one for me???

    , @A123
    @Mikhail

    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.

    It's is well known that MAGA is not going to start a war with Russia. And, instead of propping up a failing Kiev regime, that money will be directed to securing the U.S. border.

    What will the European WEF do when their puppet Not-The-President Biden loses the ability to fund Europe's war?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  111. @Gerard1234
    @Mr. Hack


    From the root Ukrainian word Nalivatu (to pour)
     
    You seriously write this garbage with a straight face you demented retard?

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word you dumb prick, with common Slavic root. Nalivka, and ever more so the apricot one is a RUSSIAN drink not ukrop you imbecile. There is no "Ukrainian" language either. They even only call it that in 404 because that drink the Russians specifically named it that! Exact same thing as with Borscht - a completely Russian word (which the dish has f**k-all connection with Galician/Bukovina sub-roma morons)

    Stop parasiting off Russian World you POS.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word, with common Slavic root.

    It’s a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning “to pour” or “rain”.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    It’s a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning “to pour” or “rain”.

     

    LOL - Can you stop repeatedly trying to give me phantom, pointless fake lecture on my own language you Baltic trashbucket sack of faeces? WTF is this "Balto-Slav" BS you idiot? There is no such thing linguistically ( certainly no such thing I or the rest of the sane world are remotely interested in hearing about)Just say Germanic or Latin or whatever you idiot that may be the common root for where it may or may not have been incorporated into Slavic languages.....don't throw random sh*t about useless Baltic scum having any say in the word - especially with the differences between the 3 baltic states making any unified "baltic" classifications pointless you cretin. Lithuanian - I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared - the other 2 is nowhere near.

    If a tramp like you is claiming its jointly shared with east-slavic language.......that must mean it's just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.

    Just because a worthless POS like you has no culture or heritage to be proud of - why do scumbag Baltic troll like you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and "high culture" when trying to simulate sucking ukronazi d*ck?

    Its abnormal. Ukronazi scum and gruzians - yes I can perfectly accept them doing it despite their evil actions as they never stopped living in much of the post-soviet cultural space and language space -WTF are trash like you doing though?

    Idiot.

    Seriously, for the last time - how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?

    Replies: @sher singh, @LatW

  112. @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.
     
    Wrong again. Ukraine was "lured" into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia. The possibility of EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion, that wasn't even offered until after the third month of hostilities.

    Replies: @Derer

    Wrong again. Ukraine was “lured” into this war, because it was attacked on several fronts by an aggressive and imperialistic Russia.

    This is an illiterate understanding of the events. EU offered membership and US offered NATO (Crimea was selected for American military base), but pro-Russian president of Ukraine refused and therefore he was removed by US meddling (McCain, Nuland, Biden, CIA). “Fcuk the EU” explains the US opposition to EU membership. After 8 years of Ukies/Nazi killing ethnic Russians in Donbas, finally Russia decided to protect the Donbas by military presence.

    Your; “EU membership was a bi-product of this insane invasion” is a high caliber lunacy. Your hate of everything Russian has retarded your rational thinking.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  113. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ....as Ukraine continues to get the heavy artillery and other weapons that it needs from the West, its chances of success will greatly increase.
     
    Chances increase from 10% to 20%? How do you define success? Nato weapons are too few, too hard to deliver, and would still leave Ukraine outgunned by a large margin.

    Actually the best hope Kiev has would be a collapse in the Russian morale. Inflicting more casualties helps, but it can back-fire. A lot of the front line troops on the Russian side are Donbas militias - 60-100k. For them this is existential, they have no place to retreat, many are angry about the Donbas civilians killed by Kiev in the last 8 years. Their morale is unlikely to collapse, and that will pull along the Russian morale. Russians also historically don't stop fighting - and neither do the Ukrainians: very native stubbornness that Westerners are not familiar with.

    It will be ugly. Kiev is losing 100-200 soldiers per day, or more. Plus the wounded and tens of thousands POWs. New troops are of lower quality and have to be trained (AP's cousin who probably skis better than he shoots.)

    Have you considered the most likely outcome: Russia in a few months prevails, Kiev's army ceases to be viable, south and east are occupied, guerilla fighters are in Warsaw cafes. Russian economy hums along on exports to Asia, Europe is in a recession with endless complicated and expensive ways to secure energy and other materials. People get tired of it and start asking: "what was the fight all about?" And slogans about freedom and orcs will not suffice. Then what? Zelko and the gang will be fine, but how about ordinary Ukrainians? It will become obvious that they fought a losing war for some very questionable reasons - "no Russian language in schools" and "we want Nato bases!!!!".

    Future is contained in our present, it is not as big a mystery as many pretend. Miracles by definition don't happen (look that up: miracle definition is...).

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Endless cope from you.

    Western propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will lose the conventional war in days, but Russia will eventually withdraw from the insurgency.

    Russian propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will welcome Russia and it will all be done in days with a quick peace.

    Reality:

    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis. No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia. Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures. NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years, at least.

    Yet somehow you are still gleefully boasting. You’re mental. The situation is unimaginably worse for Russia than even the most hubristic Western propaganda “predicted.” And it is unimaginably better for Ukraine, no matter how awful it is for them too. You’ve been lied to again and again and now you can’t even remember what your reality was a few months ago. You somehow think this is winning. You’re totally mindf*cked.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I appreciate your counter-summary. It is wrong, but has coherence and doesn't argue with cousins who fight or tries the tear-jerk 'but, they are killing us!!!!, stop!!!!'. War is an organized killing to take territory, why are they surprised?


    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis.
     
    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk - both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev's army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia.
     
    That's like claiming that "95% of ancient Egyptians couldn't swim" - totally unverifiable and made-up based on what you already believe. You cannot establish stable opinions in the middle of a war: too risky, too volatile, too much fear. One can claim that "75% of Ukrainians also hate the Kiev government and the oligarchs running it". Who knows? Both may be partially true. Or one is true in Galicia and Kiev and the other in the east and south. Those are unstable and largely fake metrics in a war.

    There were genuine signs of welcome in the east and south: I saw videos from Mariupol, other cities, Kherson. You can claim those are "Russians" - so what? aren't Russians people? That's why there is a war because the likes of you decided that millions of people who happen to be Russian and live in Ukraine are not really people. Claiming that many Russians fight for Ukraine is both true and irrelevant: many are professional soldiers or conscripted. Given that up to 50% of the population of Ukraine had some sense of Russian identity, why would that be surprising?

    We will have to wait until the end of the war.


    Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures.
     
    That has been now adjusted to 8% down, inflation is dow and they are cutting interest rates. Ruble is the best performing currency of 2022 up 35% against dollar. Russia is flushed with huge revenue increases - oil, gas, grain, fertilizer, aluminum are all dramatically up. Customers are obediently paying for gas in rubles, so what was all that "never" in April-May?

    Europe and US are heading into a recession. Germany declared an 'energy emergency'. many plants have shut down because they cannot make money with energy this expensive. The debts are too high in the West to have a recession - the defaults could be catastrophic. There are risks everywhere: Europe, US, Africa...and also Russia. This is a collective jump off a cliff.


    NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years
     
    Nato has been expanding for 20 years. In Ukraine it was stopped - no more talk, no more plans for bases - Berdiansk and Ochakov were British ministers were opening new bases last year were destroyed in the first 48 hours. It was the main reason for the war and it has been accomplished.

    If you think that two Scandie countries that have been effectively in Nato for decades now officially joining makes much difference, well, have that small victory. It is a mixed blessing to be a target and to lose the cocoon of neutrality, no matter how fake it was.

    The arms coming to Ukraine are being destroyed almost as quickly - even the official Kiev admits 35%. The war may not last for 2 years, so the long-term promises are not worth much.

    Kiev officially admits to losing around 10k killed and 3 times that many wounded. The number of POWs is in tens of thousands. The weapons ratio is 10 to 1 to Russia's advantage (of course official admission by Kiev). These were the best trained professional troops. And don't do "what-aboutism" about the Russian losses - that's their issue, they have a much larger country and have had smaller losses so far. In a war of attrition, Kiev will inevitably lose.

    Stick around so we can compare whose prognosis is closer to reality. If Kiev ends up winning I will admit it, but you should be willing to see the other side. History gets really ugly when people refuse to think and live in pleasing narratives. French, Germans, Swedes, Poles marched on Moscow with some of the same ideas you have. Maybe this time it is different, but probably not.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wielgus

  114. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Pixo
    Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.

    After the humiliating defeat and complete retreat from Kiev and Sumy, it is now being chased out of metro Kharkiv back all the way to its borders, and losing ground every single week around Kherson.

    All it can do now is very slowly flatten random cities with weeks of shelling, then take their abandoned and worthless ruins. Even that it does slowly and with high casualties.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation).

    Deny and cope Russobots, but in your heart you know you’re third class, and USA #1.

    https://c8.alamy.com/comp/A3BFA1/patriotism-in-the-usa-eagle-fireworks-statue-of-liberty-A3BFA1.jpg

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.

    It is that “Fuller!” The man who literally secured the import of 2 Chechen terrorists and married his daughter off to their uncle! Sounds like a solid guy.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.

    China will now be the alternative source for military kit, to the US, not Russia. There’s no prestige left with the Russian military.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!

    Yes, it is a joke. The only people who like Russia any more are those who are permanently set against “the current thing.”
    And unsurprisingly, people who define themselves as solely anti-everything that is successful, tend to be extremely marginal.

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation)

    Perfect analogy. What’s most hilarious is that the Russia bots are still gloating about Russian military supremacy. I can’t imagine Americans watch the US military fail to capture Vancouver in 4 months and yet somehow claiming that this is an incredible American performance. Or that America is winning. I suppose, unconsciously, losing, to people who deeply want to lose, because they are losers, feels like winning.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Russia is doing just fine. Historically speaking what they have done is in line with past campaigns in the area. Ukraine has surpassed expectations but is now getting the shit kicked out of it by the superior force.

  115. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Here's one for you:

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    ???…one for me???

  116. I’ve wondered recently if the different art styles of manga and anime are somehow related to sex differences, especially to do with visual perception.

    Does the target market for males have some stylistic convergence with male vision? With that of hunters? While the female market has a visual style related to gathering?

  117. Well worth to listen in full:

    • Replies: @nickels
    @Mikhail

    Barnes whole attack on Gab was disappointing.

    These 'conservatives' still on twitter are there because the Zionists want them there.

    What a cuck.

    Replies: @Matra

  118. Re: https://dpyne.substack.com/p/a-proposed-peace-plan-to-end-the

    Given the overall UN reply of kicking Russia out of the UNHRC, prompted by the dubious Kiev regime Bucha allegation, Russia negatively views that org on par with how US neocons very skeptically viewed the UN in the 1970s and 80s. In addition, the West did nothing to coerce the Kiev regime into implementing the UN approved Minsk Protocol.

    Russia is winning, with some pro-Russian leaning advocates seeking more territory. The Kiev regime recently hit a Russian oil rig that’s closer to Odessa than Crimea. While opposing Russia’s military operation, the Odessa mayor is against the anti-Russian cancel culture antics of the Kiev regime, bringing to mind what I said on April 4 about how Zelensky’s popularity could take a dip, relative to Putin’s among those on the territory of Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    There’s nothing especially unreasonable about Ukraine being in a militarily neutral status with a regionalized autonomous structure. Doing the opposite prompted Crimea’s reunification with Russia and rebellion in Donbass.

    Ukraine’s Communist drawn boundary put together people with differing perspectives. The coup that overthrew Ukraine’s democratically elected president in 2014, included an arrogant dynamic that has sought to centralize that former Soviet republic’s Communist drawn boundary in a set geopolitical and cultural direction than many there oppose.

  119. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    If the EU is anything it's an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.


    You are off your rocker.

    Replies: @A123

    If the EU is anything it’s an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.

    Then they should be honest about that. Dissolve the EU and replace it were with a bilateral agreement between France And Germany.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Great idea! They're bound to take this matter up and vote on it next week. If they don't, it will spell greater doom for their puppet state in the US.

    https://www.traveller.com.au/content/dam/images/g/n/o/w/p/w/image.related.articleLeadwide.620x349.gnowpj.png/1458692571281.jpg

    According to kremlinstoogeA123, it's the other way around?

  120. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    If the EU is anything it’s an agreement between France and Germany to trade instead of have wars between them. All else is ornamental.
     
    Then they should be honest about that. Dissolve the EU and replace it were with a bilateral agreement between France And Germany.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Great idea! They’re bound to take this matter up and vote on it next week. If they don’t, it will spell greater doom for their puppet state in the US.

    According to kremlinstoogeA123, it’s the other way around?

  121. @S
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Radzinski also poo-poos on the death legend.
     
    Yeah, checking just now, the autopsy performed upon Rasputin found no sign of poison, or water in the lungs, but found three bullet wounds, with some apparent post mortem trauma.

    The account generally repeated of Rasputin's murder is that of the prince primarily responsible for it.

    It would have been behooving to him and his accomplices to make Rasputin out to be some kind of almost unkillable monster, who could only just barely be stopped, rather than appear to be the victim of a planned cold blooded execution.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Loose end from above:

    Charlotte Cowell is the Tomberg scholar whose last name I was blanking on. She has a riveting tale of the Bolshevik black magicians harassing him into migrating away from Lithuania but the source documentation is not in English.

    More if you are interested although it is hard for me to imagine that many people are:

    There are enormous libraries filled with Russian esoterica to get lost in.

    • Thanks: S
  122. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Here's one for you:

    https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.

    It’s is well known that MAGA is not going to start a war with Russia. And, instead of propping up a failing Kiev regime, that money will be directed to securing the U.S. border.

    What will the European WEF do when their puppet Not-The-President Biden loses the ability to fund Europe’s war?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.
     
    More of your unsubstantiated nonsense. I voted for Trump as I'm sure that others here who are proud of the Ukrainian flag also voted for Trump. It wont be an issue though next time around, for Trump will not be running again. Even Vice President Pence is rumored to have become a "NeverTrumper". :-)
  123. @A123
    @Mikhail

    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.

    It's is well known that MAGA is not going to start a war with Russia. And, instead of propping up a failing Kiev regime, that money will be directed to securing the U.S. border.

    What will the European WEF do when their puppet Not-The-President Biden loses the ability to fund Europe's war?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Anything displaying the Ukrainian flag is likely to be #NeverTrump.

    More of your unsubstantiated nonsense. I voted for Trump as I’m sure that others here who are proud of the Ukrainian flag also voted for Trump. It wont be an issue though next time around, for Trump will not be running again. Even Vice President Pence is rumored to have become a “NeverTrumper”. 🙂

  124. One way to facilitate remigration might be to build floating banlieues like they are doing in Busan and a few other places, and then to tow them away at night and remoor them at Lagos.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end 'Chocolate City', where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

    Replies: @S, @sher singh

  125. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Endless cope from you.

    Western propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will lose the conventional war in days, but Russia will eventually withdraw from the insurgency.

    Russian propaganda when the war started:

    Ukraine will welcome Russia and it will all be done in days with a quick peace.

    Reality:

    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis. No sign of any "welcome." Ukrainians 95% hate Russia. Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures. NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years, at least.

    Yet somehow you are still gleefully boasting. You're mental. The situation is unimaginably worse for Russia than even the most hubristic Western propaganda "predicted." And it is unimaginably better for Ukraine, no matter how awful it is for them too. You've been lied to again and again and now you can't even remember what your reality was a few months ago. You somehow think this is winning. You're totally mindf*cked.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I appreciate your counter-summary. It is wrong, but has coherence and doesn’t argue with cousins who fight or tries the tear-jerk ‘but, they are killing us!!!!, stop!!!!’. War is an organized killing to take territory, why are they surprised?

    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis.

    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk – both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev’s army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia.

    That’s like claiming that “95% of ancient Egyptians couldn’t swim” – totally unverifiable and made-up based on what you already believe. You cannot establish stable opinions in the middle of a war: too risky, too volatile, too much fear. One can claim that “75% of Ukrainians also hate the Kiev government and the oligarchs running it“. Who knows? Both may be partially true. Or one is true in Galicia and Kiev and the other in the east and south. Those are unstable and largely fake metrics in a war.

    There were genuine signs of welcome in the east and south: I saw videos from Mariupol, other cities, Kherson. You can claim those are “Russians” – so what? aren’t Russians people? That’s why there is a war because the likes of you decided that millions of people who happen to be Russian and live in Ukraine are not really people. Claiming that many Russians fight for Ukraine is both true and irrelevant: many are professional soldiers or conscripted. Given that up to 50% of the population of Ukraine had some sense of Russian identity, why would that be surprising?

    We will have to wait until the end of the war.

    Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures.

    That has been now adjusted to 8% down, inflation is dow and they are cutting interest rates. Ruble is the best performing currency of 2022 up 35% against dollar. Russia is flushed with huge revenue increases – oil, gas, grain, fertilizer, aluminum are all dramatically up. Customers are obediently paying for gas in rubles, so what was all that “never” in April-May?

    Europe and US are heading into a recession. Germany declared an ‘energy emergency’. many plants have shut down because they cannot make money with energy this expensive. The debts are too high in the West to have a recession – the defaults could be catastrophic. There are risks everywhere: Europe, US, Africa…and also Russia. This is a collective jump off a cliff.

    NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years

    Nato has been expanding for 20 years. In Ukraine it was stopped – no more talk, no more plans for bases – Berdiansk and Ochakov were British ministers were opening new bases last year were destroyed in the first 48 hours. It was the main reason for the war and it has been accomplished.

    If you think that two Scandie countries that have been effectively in Nato for decades now officially joining makes much difference, well, have that small victory. It is a mixed blessing to be a target and to lose the cocoon of neutrality, no matter how fake it was.

    The arms coming to Ukraine are being destroyed almost as quickly – even the official Kiev admits 35%. The war may not last for 2 years, so the long-term promises are not worth much.

    Kiev officially admits to losing around 10k killed and 3 times that many wounded. The number of POWs is in tens of thousands. The weapons ratio is 10 to 1 to Russia’s advantage (of course official admission by Kiev). These were the best trained professional troops. And don’t do “what-aboutism” about the Russian losses – that’s their issue, they have a much larger country and have had smaller losses so far. In a war of attrition, Kiev will inevitably lose.

    Stick around so we can compare whose prognosis is closer to reality. If Kiev ends up winning I will admit it, but you should be willing to see the other side. History gets really ugly when people refuse to think and live in pleasing narratives. French, Germans, Swedes, Poles marched on Moscow with some of the same ideas you have. Maybe this time it is different, but probably not.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk – both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev’s army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.
     
    No, that's the territory taken by Russia in 2014, when Ukraine didn't really have a military, because Russian-bribed governments had stopped them from building one. Russia is actually a long way backwards from where it was after a week of the war. This is a fact.

    That’s like claiming that “95% of ancient Egyptians couldn’t swim”
     
    No, Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months, using plumbers and email jobbers. You can't do that with a population that is sympathetic to Russia, and it is Eastern Ukrainians who fighting the hardest.

    You also mention the economy. Avoiding every fact but that Western economies won't shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%, and that percentage keeps rising, a depression much worse than any years after the collapse of the USSR, but one.

    As for the rest of your post, you continue to avoid the point. Please answer, how you consider Russia to be winning anything when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think the British basing plans at Berdyansk and Ochakov (the latter once an important base for Ottoman Turkey) are very much on hold now...

    Replies: @Beckow

  126. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I appreciate your counter-summary. It is wrong, but has coherence and doesn't argue with cousins who fight or tries the tear-jerk 'but, they are killing us!!!!, stop!!!!'. War is an organized killing to take territory, why are they surprised?


    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis.
     
    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk - both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev's army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia.
     
    That's like claiming that "95% of ancient Egyptians couldn't swim" - totally unverifiable and made-up based on what you already believe. You cannot establish stable opinions in the middle of a war: too risky, too volatile, too much fear. One can claim that "75% of Ukrainians also hate the Kiev government and the oligarchs running it". Who knows? Both may be partially true. Or one is true in Galicia and Kiev and the other in the east and south. Those are unstable and largely fake metrics in a war.

    There were genuine signs of welcome in the east and south: I saw videos from Mariupol, other cities, Kherson. You can claim those are "Russians" - so what? aren't Russians people? That's why there is a war because the likes of you decided that millions of people who happen to be Russian and live in Ukraine are not really people. Claiming that many Russians fight for Ukraine is both true and irrelevant: many are professional soldiers or conscripted. Given that up to 50% of the population of Ukraine had some sense of Russian identity, why would that be surprising?

    We will have to wait until the end of the war.


    Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures.
     
    That has been now adjusted to 8% down, inflation is dow and they are cutting interest rates. Ruble is the best performing currency of 2022 up 35% against dollar. Russia is flushed with huge revenue increases - oil, gas, grain, fertilizer, aluminum are all dramatically up. Customers are obediently paying for gas in rubles, so what was all that "never" in April-May?

    Europe and US are heading into a recession. Germany declared an 'energy emergency'. many plants have shut down because they cannot make money with energy this expensive. The debts are too high in the West to have a recession - the defaults could be catastrophic. There are risks everywhere: Europe, US, Africa...and also Russia. This is a collective jump off a cliff.


    NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years
     
    Nato has been expanding for 20 years. In Ukraine it was stopped - no more talk, no more plans for bases - Berdiansk and Ochakov were British ministers were opening new bases last year were destroyed in the first 48 hours. It was the main reason for the war and it has been accomplished.

    If you think that two Scandie countries that have been effectively in Nato for decades now officially joining makes much difference, well, have that small victory. It is a mixed blessing to be a target and to lose the cocoon of neutrality, no matter how fake it was.

    The arms coming to Ukraine are being destroyed almost as quickly - even the official Kiev admits 35%. The war may not last for 2 years, so the long-term promises are not worth much.

    Kiev officially admits to losing around 10k killed and 3 times that many wounded. The number of POWs is in tens of thousands. The weapons ratio is 10 to 1 to Russia's advantage (of course official admission by Kiev). These were the best trained professional troops. And don't do "what-aboutism" about the Russian losses - that's their issue, they have a much larger country and have had smaller losses so far. In a war of attrition, Kiev will inevitably lose.

    Stick around so we can compare whose prognosis is closer to reality. If Kiev ends up winning I will admit it, but you should be willing to see the other side. History gets really ugly when people refuse to think and live in pleasing narratives. French, Germans, Swedes, Poles marched on Moscow with some of the same ideas you have. Maybe this time it is different, but probably not.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wielgus

    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk – both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev’s army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No, that’s the territory taken by Russia in 2014, when Ukraine didn’t really have a military, because Russian-bribed governments had stopped them from building one. Russia is actually a long way backwards from where it was after a week of the war. This is a fact.

    That’s like claiming that “95% of ancient Egyptians couldn’t swim”

    No, Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months, using plumbers and email jobbers. You can’t do that with a population that is sympathetic to Russia, and it is Eastern Ukrainians who fighting the hardest.

    You also mention the economy. Avoiding every fact but that Western economies won’t shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%, and that percentage keeps rising, a depression much worse than any years after the collapse of the USSR, but one.

    As for the rest of your post, you continue to avoid the point. Please answer, how you consider Russia to be winning anything when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You are a fantasist who seems to know nothing other than the Western propaganda headlines. Try to pay attention:


    No, that’s the territory taken by Russia in 2014...
     
    Nonsense, in 2014 Russia took only around 1/3 of Donbas. Now they control the Black See coast, Kherson, most of Zaporzhie, all of Lugansk, Mariupol, and parts of north-east around Kharkov. It amounts to territory the size of England. In 4 months that's a lot. Look on the map and stop spouting nonsense. And don't declare a "fact" something that is untrue.

    Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months

     

    See above, if that is a standstill you have a strange definition of it. Ukrainians fight well with huge losses, but results matter. You say that at some point Russia controlled more territory (March?): in a war there is a lot of tactical movement and fronts move. They didn't control Mariupol or Lugansk province in March - now they do.

    Western economies won’t shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%
     
    Western economies are already shrinking and the inflation has exploded - if you adjust for the inflation factor, the Western economies are smaller than last year. When prices go up by 8-10% they artificially boost GNP numbers. Inflation adjustment is always delayed and today also intentionally underestimated.

    Russia's latest projection is a drop in GNP of 8% - not 15% they thought it would be in February. They suffer, everyone suffers - this is a collective jump of a cliff. Nothing to boast about.


    how you consider Russia to be winning when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?
     
    Western propaganda is aimed at the Western population - maybe people like you - and is not a benchmark for success. It is a common propaganda technique to claim that the enemy's goals are much more ambitious than they are and so they are failing. Nazis did that in WWII, it is what propaganda does. In reverse, Russian propaganda downplays the goals to claim success easier. That is a basic dynamic of propaganda that you should understand.

    They point to the biggest rock and say the enemy wants to lift it - if he lifts a smaller rock they say, "Oh, he failed!" Transparent, almost childish. It is done to manage the Western population but has no real meaning.

    Western propaganda in February claimed that the Russian economy will collapse, "ruble will be rubble (Biden)", nobody will buy Russian oil and gas, nobody will pay in rubles - all that has turned out false.

    Russia is winning the war on points and surviving economically. Deal with that reality and stop fooling yourself.

  127. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Pixo


    Fuller is a senile 84 year old. When he still had some wits, he let his daughter marry a Chechen lunatic, the uncle of the Boston Marathon bombers, and helped them all get US green cards.
     
    It is that "Fuller!" The man who literally secured the import of 2 Chechen terrorists and married his daughter off to their uncle! Sounds like a solid guy.

    Russia has been revealed as utterly impotent. Its Black Sea flagship lies on the sea floor, its military ruined and humiliated, its equipment mostly non-functional.
     
    China will now be the alternative source for military kit, to the US, not Russia. There's no prestige left with the Russian military.

    Contra Fuller, Europe is now very anti-Russian. They will continue to buy Russian energy as needed, but less every year as they ramp up alternatives, like US, Canadian and Qatari LNG. Netherlands is reversing its decision to close its largest gas field. Pajeet and Poobear will buy its oil at a steep discount, woopie!
     
    Yes, it is a joke. The only people who like Russia any more are those who are permanently set against "the current thing."
    And unsurprisingly, people who define themselves as solely anti-everything that is successful, tend to be extremely marginal.

    Imagine if the US invaded Canada (very stupid idea) and failed to capture Vancouver near its border after months of fighting (humiliation)
     
    Perfect analogy. What's most hilarious is that the Russia bots are still gloating about Russian military supremacy. I can't imagine Americans watch the US military fail to capture Vancouver in 4 months and yet somehow claiming that this is an incredible American performance. Or that America is winning. I suppose, unconsciously, losing, to people who deeply want to lose, because they are losers, feels like winning.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Russia is doing just fine. Historically speaking what they have done is in line with past campaigns in the area. Ukraine has surpassed expectations but is now getting the shit kicked out of it by the superior force.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  128. @German_reader
    Panzerhaubitzen 2000 from Germany and the Netherlands have been delivered to Ukraine:
    https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1539225560588734466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1539225560588734466%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs.uicdn.com%2Fcae%2Fwww.gmx.net%2Fsocialmedia%2F37038494%3Fmode%3Diframeversion%3D1.1

    But yeah, Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0.

    Replies: @Callsign Pidor

  129. @prime noticer
    West Point cadets being taught CRT, per NY Post report

    that's it then. army was the last big holdout. now only the marines are not under leftist control.

    considering the situation on the ground in the US, expect official military policy to be strongly behind Ukraine for the duration. there will be no voices of reason in leadership. it's globohomo, GAE all the way from now on.

    hard to believe this was the same West Point i went to as a recruit in the early 90s, soon after the Cold War ended. it was only a matter of time i suppose.

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa


  130. what could possibly be the point of this, other than the obvious jewish campaign to take over the entire world of european peoples? if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia, then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @prime noticer

    The black-clad hottie has a costly haircut and disengaged eyes, she is mentally out of there. And who wears a badly-fitting vest on official visits?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @prime noticer


    if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia,
     
    Presumably you mean the non-Jewish attack not supported by Israel? (1)

    "I want the Israeli government to move away from its comfort zone and get back to reality," Ukraine's Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk said.

    Kyiv wants to purchase Israel’s Iron Dome air defenses system and for Jerusalem to sign off on the transfer of its Spike SR anti-tank guided missile system from Germany to Ukraine, the country’s ambassador, Yevgen Korniychuk, told reporters on Tuesday.

     

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

     

    Presumably, he represents post-Judaic apostates. Those who have turned their back on the authentic Palestine Judaism of Israel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-708766

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @prime noticer

  131. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk – both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev’s army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.
     
    No, that's the territory taken by Russia in 2014, when Ukraine didn't really have a military, because Russian-bribed governments had stopped them from building one. Russia is actually a long way backwards from where it was after a week of the war. This is a fact.

    That’s like claiming that “95% of ancient Egyptians couldn’t swim”
     
    No, Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months, using plumbers and email jobbers. You can't do that with a population that is sympathetic to Russia, and it is Eastern Ukrainians who fighting the hardest.

    You also mention the economy. Avoiding every fact but that Western economies won't shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%, and that percentage keeps rising, a depression much worse than any years after the collapse of the USSR, but one.

    As for the rest of your post, you continue to avoid the point. Please answer, how you consider Russia to be winning anything when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?

    Replies: @Beckow

    You are a fantasist who seems to know nothing other than the Western propaganda headlines. Try to pay attention:

    No, that’s the territory taken by Russia in 2014…

    Nonsense, in 2014 Russia took only around 1/3 of Donbas. Now they control the Black See coast, Kherson, most of Zaporzhie, all of Lugansk, Mariupol, and parts of north-east around Kharkov. It amounts to territory the size of England. In 4 months that’s a lot. Look on the map and stop spouting nonsense. And don’t declare a “fact” something that is untrue.

    Ukraine has fought Russia to an essential standstill for months

    See above, if that is a standstill you have a strange definition of it. Ukrainians fight well with huge losses, but results matter. You say that at some point Russia controlled more territory (March?): in a war there is a lot of tactical movement and fronts move. They didn’t control Mariupol or Lugansk province in March – now they do.

    Western economies won’t shrink this year, while the Russian one will by 15%

    Western economies are already shrinking and the inflation has exploded – if you adjust for the inflation factor, the Western economies are smaller than last year. When prices go up by 8-10% they artificially boost GNP numbers. Inflation adjustment is always delayed and today also intentionally underestimated.

    Russia’s latest projection is a drop in GNP of 8% – not 15% they thought it would be in February. They suffer, everyone suffers – this is a collective jump of a cliff. Nothing to boast about.

    how you consider Russia to be winning when it is performing many times worse than even Western propaganda before the war said it would?

    Western propaganda is aimed at the Western population – maybe people like you – and is not a benchmark for success. It is a common propaganda technique to claim that the enemy’s goals are much more ambitious than they are and so they are failing. Nazis did that in WWII, it is what propaganda does. In reverse, Russian propaganda downplays the goals to claim success easier. That is a basic dynamic of propaganda that you should understand.

    They point to the biggest rock and say the enemy wants to lift it – if he lifts a smaller rock they say, “Oh, he failed!” Transparent, almost childish. It is done to manage the Western population but has no real meaning.

    Western propaganda in February claimed that the Russian economy will collapse, “ruble will be rubble (Biden)”, nobody will buy Russian oil and gas, nobody will pay in rubles – all that has turned out false.

    Russia is winning the war on points and surviving economically. Deal with that reality and stop fooling yourself.

  132. @prime noticer
    https://twitter.com/AnthonyColeyDOJ/status/1539239785058926592
    what could possibly be the point of this, other than the obvious jewish campaign to take over the entire world of european peoples? if this isn't about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia, then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he's doing here exactly?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    The black-clad hottie has a costly haircut and disengaged eyes, she is mentally out of there. And who wears a badly-fitting vest on official visits?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    she looks like a witch.

  133. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer
    https://twitter.com/AnthonyColeyDOJ/status/1539239785058926592
    what could possibly be the point of this, other than the obvious jewish campaign to take over the entire world of european peoples? if this isn't about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia, then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he's doing here exactly?

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia,

    Presumably you mean the non-Jewish attack not supported by Israel? (1)

    “I want the Israeli government to move away from its comfort zone and get back to reality,” Ukraine’s Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk said.

    Kyiv wants to purchase Israel’s Iron Dome air defenses system and for Jerusalem to sign off on the transfer of its Spike SR anti-tank guided missile system from Germany to Ukraine, the country’s ambassador, Yevgen Korniychuk, told reporters on Tuesday.

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

    Presumably, he represents post-Judaic apostates. Those who have turned their back on the authentic Palestine Judaism of Israel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-708766

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123


    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.
     
    More of your nonsense (lies?). You're projecting your kremlinstooge sympathies to everyone in the world now.

    When asked how they view Israel's position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.
     
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

    Also a careful reading of this statement indicates that 47% said that Israel has taken a balanced stance not that Israel should take a balanced stance. One thing for sure though, is that of those Israelis that hold stronger positions about the war, their sympathies lay by five times more in support of Ukraine than they do Russia (25% vs 5%). Check your facts more carefully before blurting out absurdities.

    , @prime noticer
    @A123

    "Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict."
    https://imgur.com/a/Kekk1Hl

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @A123, @A123

  134. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    The Slavs can fuck off out of the EU. Only in it because of American and British interference.
     
    Merkel specifically, and Germany generally, have been the #1 disruptive force in the EU. If the EU is to be saved, the essential first step is expelling Germany.

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Verymuchalive

    Another excellent insightful comment. You’re not off your rocker: Wokechoke is

    Germany is at the heart of the EU scam. Before the Euro ( 2002), the EU was something of a captive market for German manufactures and finance, especially the former. The Euro was devised, largely by German financiers, to ensure that the EU would be a completely captive market. The result has been disastrous for industry, especially in Mediterranean countries and Eastern Europe. It has also caused serious hardship for much of the population in many of these countries. This is best exemplified by the case of Greece.

    Greece went into economic crisis after 2008. There are 5 main options in dealing with a financial crisis.

    1) DEVALUE THE CURRENCY
    This results in home-grown goods and services being much more competitive in price. Imports increase in price, but this encourages import substitution. But Greece no longer had its own currency. It has the Euro, controlled by the European Central Bank, based in Berlin and run by and for German interests. They would not devalue the Euro for Greece. The only way for Greece would be to resurrect the Drachma and to leave the EU. This would take years, as we have seen with the UK, with the EU puting obstacle after obstacle in Greece’s path. Nothing could be done at all quickly.

    2) DEFAULT ON THE NATIONAL DEBT OR WRITE IT DOWN
    This was opposed by the ECB. The vast bulk of the debt is owed to German and French banks, in whose interests the ECB acts. In order to default or write down, the Drachma would have to be revived To follow this course, Greece would also have to leave the EU. As previously outlined, this would take years. Greece hasn’t left and, as a result, now has a National Debt equivalent to 200% of GDP.

    3) IMPOSE TARIFFS ON IMPORTED GOODS AND SERVICES
    As Greece is in the Eurozone – a free trade zone – this would mean Greece having to leave the EU

    [MORE]

    The adoption of the Euro prevented options 1 and 2. If Greece still had the Drachma it could have devalued the currency. Greek goods and services would have become more competitive vis-a-vis imported German ones. It could have defaulted or written down its National Debt and interest payments would have ceased or eased. This would have caused friction with the EU, but Greece would still be able to do it. I suspect that Greece would have had to leave the EU shortly thereafter, though.

    With options 1,2, and 3 precluded, that leaves only options 4 and 5 in play.

    4) REDUCE GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE
    This was what the EU and the financiers forced on Greece. Severe cuts in expenditure have resulted in reductions of benefits and serious hardship for most of the population. Options 1 and 2 promised a revival in economic activity. Without 1 and 2, reducing government expenditure is futile. It depresses demand in a depressed economy even further. Greece has experienced nearly 15 years of austerity now. And the bankers still won’t get their money back. Sometime in the future Greece will still need to default.

    5) SELL PUBLIC ASSETS
    e.g Piraeus Harbour, various airports etc.
    If you are selling public assets, you must sell during periods of economic expansion. Selling in times of austerity amounts to little more than asset stripping.Anyway, the effect on debt repayment is negligible.

    You say:

    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.

    Very sensible. But the politicos and Eurocrats who run the EU are ideologues, not sensible people. The people to whom they answer – mainly German industrialists and financiers – want the EU to go on forever.
    So there will be a catastrophic collapse. That is predictable. . However, the actual details of that collapse will certainly be unpredictable..

    • Replies: @A123
    @Verymuchalive

    You are 100% correct about by the problem.

    I previously discussed a highly viable solution. This is from 2020:


    Due to single € currency EuroZone [EZ] it is impossible for Italy to exit the EU/EZ. The € denominated debts owed by Italian entities prevents a return to the Lira without a legal framework to redenominate all contracts. Given that the EU is incapable of good faith negotiations with the UK, one has to believe they would be equally intransigent in any Italian negotiations.

    That leaves two possibilities for the next Italian government:

    Default — Which would destroy German financial institutions, such as Deutsche Bank
    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Given the amount of Italian Government debt held by Italian citizens and banks, Default becomes complex as an option. Selectively defaulting on only foreign held debt is difficult to execute.

    Monetization is much more practical. Italian Euro € Printer Go *Brrrr*…. The powerless ECB screams, but there is little that they can actually do. Once the first devaluation occurs others will follow such as Greece and Spain.

    German Elites, the backbone of SJW Globalism, will lose control and no longer be able to brutalize other EU/EZ nations with their perverse Austerity Economics. Individual German savers will see the value of their savings radically diminshed. This will likely lead to a German exit from the single € currency. The remaining EZ nations can then end the € in an orderly manner.
     
    I suggested something similar for Greece even earlier.
    ____

    The EU founding documents are badly written, as Brexit showed. The EuroZone [EZ] common currency documents are even worse. If several countries start printing their sovereign € currency, there is nothing the ECB can do to prevent it. The German people would force Germany out of the EZ, and thus the EU.

    Despite Wokechoke's outrage.... It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  135. @A123
    @prime noticer


    if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia,
     
    Presumably you mean the non-Jewish attack not supported by Israel? (1)

    "I want the Israeli government to move away from its comfort zone and get back to reality," Ukraine's Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk said.

    Kyiv wants to purchase Israel’s Iron Dome air defenses system and for Jerusalem to sign off on the transfer of its Spike SR anti-tank guided missile system from Germany to Ukraine, the country’s ambassador, Yevgen Korniychuk, told reporters on Tuesday.

     

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

     

    Presumably, he represents post-Judaic apostates. Those who have turned their back on the authentic Palestine Judaism of Israel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-708766

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @prime noticer

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    More of your nonsense (lies?). You’re projecting your kremlinstooge sympathies to everyone in the world now.

    When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

    Also a careful reading of this statement indicates that 47% said that Israel has taken a balanced stance not that Israel should take a balanced stance. One thing for sure though, is that of those Israelis that hold stronger positions about the war, their sympathies lay by five times more in support of Ukraine than they do Russia (25% vs 5%). Check your facts more carefully before blurting out absurdities.

  136. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    Another excellent insightful comment. You're not off your rocker: Wokechoke is

    Germany is at the heart of the EU scam. Before the Euro ( 2002), the EU was something of a captive market for German manufactures and finance, especially the former. The Euro was devised, largely by German financiers, to ensure that the EU would be a completely captive market. The result has been disastrous for industry, especially in Mediterranean countries and Eastern Europe. It has also caused serious hardship for much of the population in many of these countries. This is best exemplified by the case of Greece.

    Greece went into economic crisis after 2008. There are 5 main options in dealing with a financial crisis.

    1) DEVALUE THE CURRENCY
    This results in home-grown goods and services being much more competitive in price. Imports increase in price, but this encourages import substitution. But Greece no longer had its own currency. It has the Euro, controlled by the European Central Bank, based in Berlin and run by and for German interests. They would not devalue the Euro for Greece. The only way for Greece would be to resurrect the Drachma and to leave the EU. This would take years, as we have seen with the UK, with the EU puting obstacle after obstacle in Greece's path. Nothing could be done at all quickly.

    2) DEFAULT ON THE NATIONAL DEBT OR WRITE IT DOWN
    This was opposed by the ECB. The vast bulk of the debt is owed to German and French banks, in whose interests the ECB acts. In order to default or write down, the Drachma would have to be revived To follow this course, Greece would also have to leave the EU. As previously outlined, this would take years. Greece hasn't left and, as a result, now has a National Debt equivalent to 200% of GDP.

    3) IMPOSE TARIFFS ON IMPORTED GOODS AND SERVICES
    As Greece is in the Eurozone - a free trade zone - this would mean Greece having to leave the EU



    The adoption of the Euro prevented options 1 and 2. If Greece still had the Drachma it could have devalued the currency. Greek goods and services would have become more competitive vis-a-vis imported German ones. It could have defaulted or written down its National Debt and interest payments would have ceased or eased. This would have caused friction with the EU, but Greece would still be able to do it. I suspect that Greece would have had to leave the EU shortly thereafter, though.

    With options 1,2, and 3 precluded, that leaves only options 4 and 5 in play.

    4) REDUCE GOVERNMENT EXPENDITURE
    This was what the EU and the financiers forced on Greece. Severe cuts in expenditure have resulted in reductions of benefits and serious hardship for most of the population. Options 1 and 2 promised a revival in economic activity. Without 1 and 2, reducing government expenditure is futile. It depresses demand in a depressed economy even further. Greece has experienced nearly 15 years of austerity now. And the bankers still won't get their money back. Sometime in the future Greece will still need to default.

    5) SELL PUBLIC ASSETS
    e.g Piraeus Harbour, various airports etc.
    If you are selling public assets, you must sell during periods of economic expansion. Selling in times of austerity amounts to little more than asset stripping.Anyway, the effect on debt repayment is negligible.


    You say:


    The more realistic view is accepting that the EU is doomed. Winding up the flawed experiment in a graceful manner is the best available option. The other choice is waiting for it to blow out in an unpredictable catastrophe.
     
    Very sensible. But the politicos and Eurocrats who run the EU are ideologues, not sensible people. The people to whom they answer - mainly German industrialists and financiers - want the EU to go on forever.
    So there will be a catastrophic collapse. That is predictable. . However, the actual details of that collapse will certainly be unpredictable..

    Replies: @A123

    You are 100% correct about by the problem.

    I previously discussed a highly viable solution. This is from 2020:

    Due to single € currency EuroZone [EZ] it is impossible for Italy to exit the EU/EZ. The € denominated debts owed by Italian entities prevents a return to the Lira without a legal framework to redenominate all contracts. Given that the EU is incapable of good faith negotiations with the UK, one has to believe they would be equally intransigent in any Italian negotiations.

    That leaves two possibilities for the next Italian government:

    Default — Which would destroy German financial institutions, such as Deutsche Bank
    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Given the amount of Italian Government debt held by Italian citizens and banks, Default becomes complex as an option. Selectively defaulting on only foreign held debt is difficult to execute.

    Monetization is much more practical. Italian Euro € Printer Go *Brrrr*…. The powerless ECB screams, but there is little that they can actually do. Once the first devaluation occurs others will follow such as Greece and Spain.

    German Elites, the backbone of SJW Globalism, will lose control and no longer be able to brutalize other EU/EZ nations with their perverse Austerity Economics. Individual German savers will see the value of their savings radically diminshed. This will likely lead to a German exit from the single € currency. The remaining EZ nations can then end the € in an orderly manner.

    I suggested something similar for Greece even earlier.
    ____

    The EU founding documents are badly written, as Brexit showed. The EuroZone [EZ] common currency documents are even worse. If several countries start printing their sovereign € currency, there is nothing the ECB can do to prevent it. The German people would force Germany out of the EZ, and thus the EU.

    Despite Wokechoke’s outrage…. It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    Very interesting comment. The only thing with which I disagreed was: "German elites, the backbone of SJW globalism". That should surely read: "American elites, the backbone of SJW globalism" But that's a matter for another post.

    You say


    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full
     
    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy. Germany had to use the Papiermark to buy foreign currencies to pay its reparations. Hyperinflation meant that it was unable to buy foreign currencies and unable to pay its reparations. So this scheme involved printing excess money to default on reparations.

    However, this annoyed the French who occupied the Ruhr in 1923. Shortly thereafter, the situation was stabilised by the introduction of the Rentenmark, and reparations were reinstated. So the policy was ultimately unsuccessful. However, there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    I'm not an admirer of economist Michael Hudson, but he has suggested a very useful idea - a debt jubilee, partial or full debt cancellation at both state and private level. This idea should certainly be explored.

    You say


    . It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.
     
    Indeed it is. Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, the UK was part of EFTA -the European Free Trade Association, along with Scandinavian countries, Portugal, Switzerland etc. This is what the future of the EU should be - a free trade bloc of European sovereign states. It would be bound by treaty, and would have no superstate or similar aspirations.

    PS I'll need to have a look at your website. You've presented a lot of interesting ideas.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

  137. One way that we Americans could make good use of the growing sense of superstition and of the evil eye would be to paint the old Roman warning cacator cave malum on our urban, streetside walls.

    • Agree: Coconuts
  138. Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war.

    That’s the crux of the matter. I am really surprised that so many ostensibly intelligent people keep chewing the cud here. Ukrainian Nazis willing to fight are being killed at the rate of a few hundred per day. Cowardly Ukrainian Nazis have already run away to Europe (serves Europe right: if you allow shit in, don’t be surprised that it stinks). Ukrainian regime resorted to forcibly conscripting anyone they can, rounding men up in the streets and even on the beaches and sending them to the frontlines within days, w/o even minimal training. This intended cannon fodder does not want to fight: they docilely wait to be taken prisoners by the Russian/DPR/LPR forces, happy to remain alive.

    The war might last some time yet, largely because in contrast to the US “shock and awe” (meaning let any number of aborigines die, who cares), Russia is still trying to kill as few as possible and destroy as little as possible. For a good reason: Russia will be the one rebuilding deceased Ukraine, no matter how these territories are formatted.

    The only question remaining now is whether RF will leave a token “Ukraine” (like the pathetic piece Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654) under strict Russian control (that would include military bases) or take it all as separate regions, w/o recreating anything called “Ukraine”. Every Ukrainian attack on Russian territory makes the latter scenario more likely, regardless what Russian leadership thinks (in sharp contrast to “democracies”, Russian leadership does not go much against the will of the people).

    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy.

    Not so fast. Russia will be in a position to decide who to sell what. Europeans work hard to be at the end of the line, possibly end up empty-handed. The great majority of countries (with about ¾ of Earth population) refused to introduce any sanctions against Russia, despite imperial wrath. Even some states the US always saw as obedient vassals (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Bahrein, Kuwait, to name just a few) did not sanction Russia. Russian trade will focus on those normal countries, at the expense of obedient US vassals. Europeans, as well as US-occupied Japan and South Korea, stand to lose big.

    Finally, Russia’s geopolitical character has very likely now decisively tilted towards Eurasia.

    This is exactly what I said above. Except it would be also tilted towards Latin America and Africa, regions where not a single country toed the imperial line.

    Let me end on a lighter (maybe) note. New Russian joke: “The situation with the approval of the military operation in Ukraine by the Black Sea Fleet is not as simple as Russian officials make it sound. Some officers and sailors approve of it, whereas others believe that it’s high time to strike Washington directly.”

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    This one is even more funny, don't you think?

    https://www.laprogressive.com/.image/t_share/MTg4ODA3MzAwODEzNjk0NTQ0/moskva-2000.jpg

    Still bellyaching about the West while you live and make money in the US? What a loser! Why not move back to the old country Professor? Beckow tells me that there's a great building spree going on in the "garden city by the sea" in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too...

    Replies: @Callsign Pidor

    , @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Finally you here , excellent comment .

  139. @Mikhail
    Well worth to listen in full:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18XwhZI8o8

    Replies: @nickels

    Barnes whole attack on Gab was disappointing.

    These ‘conservatives’ still on twitter are there because the Zionists want them there.

    What a cuck.

    • Replies: @Matra
    @nickels

    Notice he uses the SJW term "safe space" in a couple of different tweets. Conservatives/libertarians who use Leftist language always end up accepting their morality too.

    Meanwhile in the UK Putin is now causing railway strikes. This man must be stopped.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  140. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    Makes me wonder how of it was against internal company wokeness – some employees were trying to dislodge Musk because of twitter
     
    Well, Musk has his own problems.

    One of his eldest sons has apparently become a tranny and severed ties with his father. Maybe this explains Musk's recent outbursts against wokeness. It stole one of his children, quite literally.

    Incidentally, this is why conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents' political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Hilariously, or perhaps omniously, his current on-again-off-again gf scolded him for transphobia a few years ago.

    https://i.imgur.com/GS7aZ82.jpg

    Replies: @silviosilver, @songbird, @Barbarossa

    conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents’ political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?

    Elon Musk might have lots of money but I’ll bet his time investment in his kids is near nil.

    But, your points are critical, and something I have given quite a bit of thought to myself. Fecundity is meaningless if one isn’t imparting a viable alternative worldview strong enough to withstand the mainstream.

    My parents were successful enough with my brother and I, in that regard, but things have accelerated significantly since then. I would distill the success of my own parents in finding a fairly correct balance between raising us outside the mainstream, yet not sheltered from it. This went a long way as it allowed us to develop our own critiques as we got older and were capable of making our own estimations. As someone that was home-schooled, but not stiflingly over protected, I could see many of the absurdities of the mainstream.

    I’ve tried to re-create this environment with my own kids, but it’s really far more treacherous waters than it was when I was a kid and we’ve had to get much more into the thick of it at an earlier age than I would have imagined.

    My oldest daughter has some cousins about her age that, while not entirely unexpectedly, quite precipitously have gone the hardcore lesbian/ now leaning trans route. They had done more groundwork in proselytizing than we realized and we had to get in front of things in a hurry. It was also more than just the LGBT thing with these girls, and we later discovered it was wrapped up with a ton of baggage regarding self-loathing, eating disorders, self harm, sexually explicit fan fic, and depression and anxiety. The LGBT is, I think, really just a coping mechanism for some of these other issues.

    My own daughter was initially somewhat drawn to this “cool” world and we had some real issues as she began to take on some of their pathological self perception issues. Once we realized what was happening, we, and especially my wife, had to really struggle to keep communication open and help her to keep things into perspective.

    One of the notable aspects is how there is significant peer pressure by LGBT to also be LGBT. Otherwise you are vanilla and not one of the cool edgy kids.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now. It’s become a maturing experience for her now though not the type that I would have wished on her yet. As her cousin’s have deteriorated quickly into obviously depressed, withdrawn, angry, and militant people it’s been easy to show that they are on a very self-destructive path. They are largely making our arguments for us at this point.

    We had to be very gentle and somewhat cautious, but implacably persistent with our daughter. We were also very clear that we did not hate her cousins in any way, but were also clear in communicating why certain attitudes and actions were pathological.

    For a while there we felt on a knife’s edge and we were afraid that we could lose the girl we knew. It can happen quickly, even when you think you are surrounding yourself with good people. We came to regard it quite literally as a form of spiritual warfare; a battle for our daughter’s soul. This went way beyond purely the gay thing, since I’ve known gays and lesbians that seemed like reasonably balanced people. The current LGBT “movement” however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Barbarossa


    The current LGBT “movement” however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.
     
    If homosexuality was banned tomorrow, I'd be against it. There is a small percentage of the human population that will always be homosexual. These people cannot change and shouldn't be stigmatised.

    That having been said, what we're seeing now is outright grooming. When some advocates are pushing for genital mutilation of young children, which have dramatic and life-changing effects, there cannot be any space for neutrality or passive tolerance.

    I don't even think this is a left/right issue - or at least it shouldn't be. JK Rowling can hardly be described as a right-wing firebrand and TERFs exist.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.
     

    He regularly brags about pulling 100 hour work-weeks. This is the price he paid.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now.
     
    Congratulations! I'm happy it all worked out. Nevertheless, I suspect most parents aren't as deft in navigating these treacherous waters as you and your wife, which is why changing the mainstream culture is the only sustainable solution for most families.
  141. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test
     
    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.
     
    So? If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5.

    You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument
     
    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.
     
    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty, Sharikov.

    As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions (for example, Irkutsk oblast has almost the same % of Russians as Moscow, but it's average estimated IQ was 92.9 so you conveniently did not include it). You included the Moscow outlier but didn't include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I'd guess around 100.5 or so.

    This means that ethnic Russians score would be an estimated 1.0172x the overall Russian result.

    So the adjusted scores would be:

    4th grade US Whites: 570; Russians: 576
    8th grade US Whites: 557; Russians: 553

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people.
     
    And also Mari and Udmurts. Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    Mari:

    https://gdb.rferl.org/961391B6-8996-4D26-AB66-67C0F63B9541_w1071_s_d3.jpg

    Here are Udmurts:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg


    "When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment."

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.
     
    Liar, I never said that.

    As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you.

    My exact words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    "Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya."

    So now once again you are caught in a lie, Sharikov.

    In addition to failing often, you lie often. Your only two talents.

    My words were in response to another of your many lies: "Your hatred of Russia, and all things Russian, and the Russian people."

    I don't all things Russian, nor "the Russian people." I do hate the grotesque mockery of Russia that was the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

    Well everyone, I’m really excited to get to the part of AP/ Here Be Dragon’s argument where one of them says,

    “Golly Gee, that last point really made me think! I guess you’ve been right all along, and thanks so much for taking the time to pass along all that wisdom and demonstrating the errors in my logic!”

    I’m sure it’s coming any comment now…

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  142. @AnonfromTN

    Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war.
     
    That’s the crux of the matter. I am really surprised that so many ostensibly intelligent people keep chewing the cud here. Ukrainian Nazis willing to fight are being killed at the rate of a few hundred per day. Cowardly Ukrainian Nazis have already run away to Europe (serves Europe right: if you allow shit in, don’t be surprised that it stinks). Ukrainian regime resorted to forcibly conscripting anyone they can, rounding men up in the streets and even on the beaches and sending them to the frontlines within days, w/o even minimal training. This intended cannon fodder does not want to fight: they docilely wait to be taken prisoners by the Russian/DPR/LPR forces, happy to remain alive.

    The war might last some time yet, largely because in contrast to the US “shock and awe” (meaning let any number of aborigines die, who cares), Russia is still trying to kill as few as possible and destroy as little as possible. For a good reason: Russia will be the one rebuilding deceased Ukraine, no matter how these territories are formatted.

    The only question remaining now is whether RF will leave a token “Ukraine” (like the pathetic piece Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654) under strict Russian control (that would include military bases) or take it all as separate regions, w/o recreating anything called “Ukraine”. Every Ukrainian attack on Russian territory makes the latter scenario more likely, regardless what Russian leadership thinks (in sharp contrast to “democracies”, Russian leadership does not go much against the will of the people).


    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy.
     
    Not so fast. Russia will be in a position to decide who to sell what. Europeans work hard to be at the end of the line, possibly end up empty-handed. The great majority of countries (with about ¾ of Earth population) refused to introduce any sanctions against Russia, despite imperial wrath. Even some states the US always saw as obedient vassals (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Bahrein, Kuwait, to name just a few) did not sanction Russia. Russian trade will focus on those normal countries, at the expense of obedient US vassals. Europeans, as well as US-occupied Japan and South Korea, stand to lose big.

    Finally, Russia’s geopolitical character has very likely now decisively tilted towards Eurasia.
     
    This is exactly what I said above. Except it would be also tilted towards Latin America and Africa, regions where not a single country toed the imperial line.

    Let me end on a lighter (maybe) note. New Russian joke: “The situation with the approval of the military operation in Ukraine by the Black Sea Fleet is not as simple as Russian officials make it sound. Some officers and sailors approve of it, whereas others believe that it’s high time to strike Washington directly.”

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Jazman

    This one is even more funny, don’t you think?

    Still bellyaching about the West while you live and make money in the US? What a loser! Why not move back to the old country Professor? Beckow tells me that there’s a great building spree going on in the “garden city by the sea” in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too…

    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
    @Mr. Hack


    great building spree going on in the “garden city by the sea” in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too…
     
    But why would he leave his comfortable life in The Great Satan to live in cholera-stricken Mariupol, recently brought into the so-called "Russian world"???

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  143. How many gays and trannies are left in Ukraine?

  144. Jainism makes perfect sense if one considers the dog-sized ants living in the highlands of India that Herodotus mentioned.

  145. @nickels
    @Mikhail

    Barnes whole attack on Gab was disappointing.

    These 'conservatives' still on twitter are there because the Zionists want them there.

    What a cuck.

    Replies: @Matra

    Notice he uses the SJW term “safe space” in a couple of different tweets. Conservatives/libertarians who use Leftist language always end up accepting their morality too.

    Meanwhile in the UK Putin is now causing railway strikes. This man must be stopped.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Matra

    The European economy has collapsed the second government in a week. First Estonia and now Bulgaria.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bulgarian-government-faces-no-confidence-vote-political-turmoil-2022-06-22/

    Boris Johnson is looking shaky.

  146. A123 says: • Website

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  147. @Emil Nikola Richard
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9yFKPmPZ90

    I've only watched about an hour so far. The internet tells me Portal is 5' 5" tall, so I guess that means in real life he is 5' 2". That is 157 cm for all of you godless Europeans.

    Also when I looked that up google served me as a side dish some reddit post where a body weight fitness fan claims that everything Portal promotes that is actually useful he took from this guy:

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0982125305/

    Building the Gymnastic Body: The Science of Gymnastics Strength Training by Christopher Sommer

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I never had heard of this guy but I can to the same conclusions that he did. And one of my major influences was indeed Christopher Sommer, who I had heard of over 15 years ago but whose methods I never made a serious effort to apply.

    There were two things that really influenced me more than anything else: YouTube videos of a guy who practiced walking on his hands for a month and and made massive forearm and triceps gains while being able to achieve a PR in handstand pushups, a movement that he had not trained in the previous 2 months. The other thing that caught my interest was a video of a guy who walked 10 miles a day for a week and gained 1/4 of an inch on his calf (a body part notorious for refusing to grow) while losing 4lbs, which was a greater gain than he had made during a previous experiment where he did 10k calf raises a day for a month.

    It seems that the human body doesn’t respond well to rote exercises. Since then I have switched over to a program based on static holds and I would like to eventually add sled pushing and pulling for my lower body.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Greasy William

    Ido Portal's interview was all over the place. His English seems perfectly fine but the tone I got was a cult leader guru who hasn't had much conversation with any humans other than disciples in many years.

    One memorable idiocy: he said he learned the most from his worst teachers.

    WTF does that mean?

    There were a few valuable points but very low S/N ratio. To Huberman's credit he edited the transcript so the odd names were all rendered with correct spelling. The transcripts of his shows are the best part for sure.


    It seems that the human body doesn’t respond well to rote exercises.
     
    Every body is different. I also am keen on variety. Adam Sinicki's book is very very good.

    https://www.amazon.com/Functional-Training-Beyond-Building-Superfunctional/dp/164250503X

  148. @Matra
    @nickels

    Notice he uses the SJW term "safe space" in a couple of different tweets. Conservatives/libertarians who use Leftist language always end up accepting their morality too.

    Meanwhile in the UK Putin is now causing railway strikes. This man must be stopped.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The European economy has collapsed the second government in a week. First Estonia and now Bulgaria.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bulgarian-government-faces-no-confidence-vote-political-turmoil-2022-06-22/

    Boris Johnson is looking shaky.

  149. @Greasy William
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I never had heard of this guy but I can to the same conclusions that he did. And one of my major influences was indeed Christopher Sommer, who I had heard of over 15 years ago but whose methods I never made a serious effort to apply.

    There were two things that really influenced me more than anything else: YouTube videos of a guy who practiced walking on his hands for a month and and made massive forearm and triceps gains while being able to achieve a PR in handstand pushups, a movement that he had not trained in the previous 2 months. The other thing that caught my interest was a video of a guy who walked 10 miles a day for a week and gained 1/4 of an inch on his calf (a body part notorious for refusing to grow) while losing 4lbs, which was a greater gain than he had made during a previous experiment where he did 10k calf raises a day for a month.

    It seems that the human body doesn't respond well to rote exercises. Since then I have switched over to a program based on static holds and I would like to eventually add sled pushing and pulling for my lower body.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Ido Portal’s interview was all over the place. His English seems perfectly fine but the tone I got was a cult leader guru who hasn’t had much conversation with any humans other than disciples in many years.

    One memorable idiocy: he said he learned the most from his worst teachers.

    WTF does that mean?

    There were a few valuable points but very low S/N ratio. To Huberman’s credit he edited the transcript so the odd names were all rendered with correct spelling. The transcripts of his shows are the best part for sure.

    It seems that the human body doesn’t respond well to rote exercises.

    Every body is different. I also am keen on variety. Adam Sinicki’s book is very very good.

  150. Ido Portal’s interview was all over the place. His English seems perfectly fine but the tone I got was a cult leader guru who hasn’t had much conversation with any humans other than disciples in many years.

    He’s definitely a cult guru and there is way too much fluff in his philosophy. Literally anything good he has too offer you can get from cross training in gymnastics and/or break dancing. Also he makes training too complicated, because you can’t sell simple.

  151. @Barbarossa
    @Thulean Friend


    conservatives bragging about higher fertility than liberals is meaningless as long as liberals control mainstream culture. Most people are normies, regardless of their parents’ political views, and normies conform to the dominant cultural mores. Even extremely rich and powerful people like Musk cannot shield themselves, so what hope for average folks?
     
    Elon Musk might have lots of money but I'll bet his time investment in his kids is near nil.

    But, your points are critical, and something I have given quite a bit of thought to myself. Fecundity is meaningless if one isn't imparting a viable alternative worldview strong enough to withstand the mainstream.

    My parents were successful enough with my brother and I, in that regard, but things have accelerated significantly since then. I would distill the success of my own parents in finding a fairly correct balance between raising us outside the mainstream, yet not sheltered from it. This went a long way as it allowed us to develop our own critiques as we got older and were capable of making our own estimations. As someone that was home-schooled, but not stiflingly over protected, I could see many of the absurdities of the mainstream.

    I've tried to re-create this environment with my own kids, but it's really far more treacherous waters than it was when I was a kid and we've had to get much more into the thick of it at an earlier age than I would have imagined.

    My oldest daughter has some cousins about her age that, while not entirely unexpectedly, quite precipitously have gone the hardcore lesbian/ now leaning trans route. They had done more groundwork in proselytizing than we realized and we had to get in front of things in a hurry. It was also more than just the LGBT thing with these girls, and we later discovered it was wrapped up with a ton of baggage regarding self-loathing, eating disorders, self harm, sexually explicit fan fic, and depression and anxiety. The LGBT is, I think, really just a coping mechanism for some of these other issues.

    My own daughter was initially somewhat drawn to this "cool" world and we had some real issues as she began to take on some of their pathological self perception issues. Once we realized what was happening, we, and especially my wife, had to really struggle to keep communication open and help her to keep things into perspective.

    One of the notable aspects is how there is significant peer pressure by LGBT to also be LGBT. Otherwise you are vanilla and not one of the cool edgy kids.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now. It's become a maturing experience for her now though not the type that I would have wished on her yet. As her cousin's have deteriorated quickly into obviously depressed, withdrawn, angry, and militant people it's been easy to show that they are on a very self-destructive path. They are largely making our arguments for us at this point.

    We had to be very gentle and somewhat cautious, but implacably persistent with our daughter. We were also very clear that we did not hate her cousins in any way, but were also clear in communicating why certain attitudes and actions were pathological.

    For a while there we felt on a knife's edge and we were afraid that we could lose the girl we knew. It can happen quickly, even when you think you are surrounding yourself with good people. We came to regard it quite literally as a form of spiritual warfare; a battle for our daughter's soul. This went way beyond purely the gay thing, since I've known gays and lesbians that seemed like reasonably balanced people. The current LGBT "movement" however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    The current LGBT “movement” however is wrapped up with a ton of pathological baggage which goes far beyond sexual orientation.

    If homosexuality was banned tomorrow, I’d be against it. There is a small percentage of the human population that will always be homosexual. These people cannot change and shouldn’t be stigmatised.

    That having been said, what we’re seeing now is outright grooming. When some advocates are pushing for genital mutilation of young children, which have dramatic and life-changing effects, there cannot be any space for neutrality or passive tolerance.

    I don’t even think this is a left/right issue – or at least it shouldn’t be. JK Rowling can hardly be described as a right-wing firebrand and TERFs exist.

    Needless to say, I suspect that Musk has little time or patience to actually parent his kids, so his fecundity or opinions are completely meaningless in regards to outcomes.

    He regularly brags about pulling 100 hour work-weeks. This is the price he paid.

    We were able to come out the other side with my daughter, and she is in a very good place now.

    Congratulations! I’m happy it all worked out. Nevertheless, I suspect most parents aren’t as deft in navigating these treacherous waters as you and your wife, which is why changing the mainstream culture is the only sustainable solution for most families.

  152. @A123
    @prime noticer


    if this isn’t about a direct coordinated jewish attack on Russia,
     
    Presumably you mean the non-Jewish attack not supported by Israel? (1)

    "I want the Israeli government to move away from its comfort zone and get back to reality," Ukraine's Ambassador to Israel Yevgen Korniychuk said.

    Kyiv wants to purchase Israel’s Iron Dome air defenses system and for Jerusalem to sign off on the transfer of its Spike SR anti-tank guided missile system from Germany to Ukraine, the country’s ambassador, Yevgen Korniychuk, told reporters on Tuesday.

     

    Ukie Maximalist propaganda is absurd. Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.

    then what does commissar (Garfinkle) think he’s doing here exactly?

     

    Presumably, he represents post-Judaic apostates. Those who have turned their back on the authentic Palestine Judaism of Israel.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-708766

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @prime noticer

    “Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict.”

    View post on imgur.com

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Thanks: Wokechoke
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @prime noticer

    Israeli polling clearly shows that of those Israeli citizens that have formed an opinion about the Russian/Ukrainian war, five times as many support the Ukrainian rather than the Russian side. He's obviously substituting his own opinions for reality. He feels that anybody supporting the Ukrainian side are part and parcel of some sort of satanic conspiracy theory (he's big on conspiracy theories).


    When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.
     
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @A123
    @prime noticer

    If you believe Jews are "pro-Kiev", why is Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel) blocking weapons? Mere humanitarian aide provide limited assistance for Ukie aggression.

    The European WEF, and their puppet Biden, are sending weapons. Should this not be a minimum standard?

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.socialketchup.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/facepalm-GIF-downsized_large.gif

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @A123
    @prime noticer

    Are looking for an appointment from the anti-Semitic Biden administration?

    You resemble his nominee: (1)


    The Biden administration’s nominee to serve as the U.S. ambassador to Brazil spoke at length about the influence of Jewish money in politics, claiming the "Jewish lobby" exerts undue influence over the Democratic Party with its "major money."
    ...
    Bagley opened up about the "Jewish lobby" and its impact on Democratic Party politics in the 1998 interview. She was asked about "the Israeli influence" on the Clinton administration, where Bagley served as the ambassador to Portugal.

    "There is always the influence of the Jewish lobby because there is major money involved," Bagley said. "But, I don’t remember any major issues coming out on that, besides the usual ‘make Jerusalem the capital of Israel,’ which is always an issue in the campaign."

    Democrats, she said, "always tend to go with the Jewish constituency on Israel and say stupid things, like moving the capital to Jerusalem always comes up. Things that we shouldn’t even touch."
     
    You sound like the very model of a modern SJW/BLM Democrat.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/the-jewish-factor-its-money-biden-ambassador-pick-under-fire-for-anti-semitic-tirade/
    , @A123
    @prime noticer

    Here is yet another example of Palestinian Jews holding Zelensky in contempt.

     
    https://www.mrdrybones.com/blog/D22621_1.png
     

    The idea that Jews support the deranged & corrupt Kiev regime is totally, absolutely, 100% absurd.

    PEACE 😇

    https://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/

    Replies: @AP

  153. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Map:

    https://postlmg.cc/bZs0hfF4


    Chuvashia scores above the Russian average on tests. Chuvash people are smarter than Russians.

    No it doesn’t and they are not, which is obvious from the map.

    Chuvashia scores 100.2, compared to the regions with larger share of ethnic Russian population, it’s lower than the average, that’s not hard to demonstrate.

    Let’s take a look at 20 different regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians – the lowest being Moscow, with 91.6% and the highest Vologda, with 97.3% and the rest somewhere in between, with the average of 95.0 percent, counting the entire group....

    The regions are: Moscow, Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Novosibirsk, Kemerovo, Altai Krai, Voronezh, Primorsky Krai, Belgorod, Tula, Vladimir, Vologda, Lipetsk, Ryazan, Kursk, Arkhangelsk, Tambov, Kaluga, Ivanovo.

     

    You conveniently excluded ethnic Russian regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You ignored Irkutskaya Oblast (Russian population 91.41%, almost the same as Moscow's 91.65%) - which has an average estimated IQ of only 92.9.

    You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions of Russians involved lower-IQ Russians.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow's high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ from this study, which is would probably be around 100.5 or so. Still slightly higher than Chuvashes (I admit I was wrong on that point) but practically the same as them.*

    Moreover, this IQ estimate is based on PISA scores. We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geography-of-russias-iq/

    https://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/overall-pisa-rankings-include-america.html

    Average White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites (546) but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg (519) and higher than all other Russians.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104.

    But we know that in reality it is 101.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points.

    So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.

    Which number is higher Sharikov, 101 or 97.5?

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. Just not smarter than Muscovites.

    You have failed again and as usual.

    As I said, failing is what you do best.

    Nice work, though.

    *Moreover, the Russian advantage over Tatars (about 2 IQ points) is much smaller than the white American advantage over Blacks (~15 points) or Hispanics (~10 points), so it is incorrect to treat Tatars as a low-performing group akin to Blacks and Hispanics vis a vis Whites.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Hello ape.

    [MORE]
    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn’t get it.

    You conveniently excluded regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions involved lower-IQ Russians.

    Not a single region was on purpose excluded. The regions with the largest numbers of ethnic Russians were featured in the order of decreasing amount, exactly as it was listed in my comment.

    The regions with high percentage of Russians were featured, no attention was paid to the regional score during the selection. This is why the intelligent Tyumen with 103.6 wasn’t included – the share of Russians is 73.3 percent, that’s not enough. Even though it has a large number of ethnic Russians, despite the low percentage, it wasn’t included, because that might introduce a possible influence of some smart minorities on the general score.

    To be precise, the regions with more than 90 percent share of ethnic Russians were put on the list, then the number of minorities was subtracted from the population, and then those regions were positioned according to the number of ethnic Russians, decreasing from top to bottom. Then the first 20 regions on the list were taken for a sample. The sum total of the score points was calculated for each region.

    The average percentage of minorities was calculated for the entire group and it happened to be 95 percent.

    Tyumen has population of 1 518 695 people with 73.3 percent of the being ethnic Russians and the general score of 103.6, so even after having subtracted the 26.7 percent of minorities we still have 1 113 203 of Russians and that’s ore than in the featured regions like Kursk with its low 97.1 score, or Kaluga with 94.0, that you said was excluded, which it wasn’t. Tyumen wasn’t featured because the share of Russians is low.

    Novgorod with 96.5 points wasn’t featured, because its population is low – 600 296 people, with 96.5 percent Russians making 570 281, it was outnumbered. Kaluga with 94.0 points has 939 732 of Russians, and Kemerovo with 95.9 points has 2 505 777, so these two got on the list, despite the lower scores, and Novgorod didn’t. For the same reason Kostroma with 103.3 score didn’t make it on the list.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow’s high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.

    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk – that would have been 26 million of ethnic Russians – more than a half of the featured, as well as it would have left us with the population of provinces alone.

    And the same as we can’t get a practical impression about intelligence of the Brazilians without counting Rio and Sao Paolo, or the Germans without Berlin and Hamburg, or the Mexicans without Mexico, we can’t exclude the most populous cities and regions from Russia, especially considering that those four areas make 20 percent of the entire population.

    So then the decision was to focus on the number of people, keeping in mind that the percentage of minorities should be low. And it happened that in the selected regions on average there’s 5 percent of minorities, so it fitted perfectly to my initial intention.

    The high-performing regions of Kaliningrad with 102.8 points, Karelia with 100.9, Komi with 100.8, Omsk with 100.6, Samara with 100.2 had to be excluded, the same as Tyumen with its 103.6 and Kostroma with 103.3, because in these regions either the share of minorities was higher than needed or the population was smaller than in other regions.

    Even though it’s obvious, and there’s no reason to consider otherwise, that 18 percent of Karelian minorities could not have performed better or worse than 82 percent of their Russian neighbors, with both of them having lived together for centuries, being close, having mixed families – even though it’s obvious, the region wasn’t included because the percentage of ethnic Russians is lower than 90, and the number is lower than a million.

    The regions featured on the list have at least one million of ethnic Russian population with 5 percent on average share of minorities.

    The share of ethnic Russians in Moscow is 91.6 percent.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ, which would probably be around 100.5 or so.

    A dishonesty would have been to include the higher scoring regions instead of the low scoring, such as Kemerovo with 95.9, Voronezh with 97.5, Belgorod with 97.3, Vologda with 97.9, Kursk with 97.1, Kaluga with 94.0 score – but these regions were on the list.

    That would have been easy to substitute these six with the aforementioned high scoring regions. For example Kostroma with 103.3 might have been included, on account of having a higher share of ethnic Russians – 96.6%, compared to Kaluga having 93.1% and 94.0 points. Kemerovo, Voronezh and Belgorod have lower percentages of Russians as well.

    Omsk and Samara could have been included instead of Kursk and Belgorod, on account of having a larger population. Kaliningrad has 13.6 percent of minorities, but of these 7.3 percent are Belarusians and Ukrainians, and it doesn’t make it count as minorities, to be fair – so it could and perhaps should have been included, but it wasn’t because that would be cherry-picking.

    Had those low scoring six areas been substituted with the better ones, the median score would have been 102.0 – but that’s not the real median.

    We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians.

    So it was in 2009. The estimated Russian average IQ score based on that test was 95.2 then, but the same test in 2012 showed 97.1, and in 2015 – 98.8, there’s no reason to consider that it isn’t a stable trend.

    So it was, if it was indeed.

    There’s no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There’s a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.

    First of all, we don’t know. Share that information source.

    Second, if we calculate the estimated IQ result from that 518 PISA score, it will be 102.7 and not 104.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points. So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.

    You can’t count it like that, idiot.

    According to the PISA scores, in that blog, the average score in Russia was 481. After PISA to IQ conversion we get 97.1 points, or to be precise 97.15, as in the graphic that had been shown before. That was in 2012, and the map with regional scores is from 2015.

    The estimated IQ of Russia according to the OECD scores of 2009 was 95.2, and in 2015 it was 98.8, and in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.

    Now we can do as Professor does – if the sore was 95.2 in 2009 and then 98.8 in 2015 that means it had grown on 3.8% in 6 years, therefore in 2021 it was supposed to be 102.5 – bingo!

    And since as we know ethnic Russians are 2.5% more intelligent, the score of ethnic Russians in 2021 was supposed to be 103.7, so tell me professor which number is higher.

    That’s stupid. But you would certainly do it.

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. You have failed again and as usual. As I said, failing is what you do best.

    You know what you remind me about?

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.

    That’s you, AP.

    Let me show you how to count. You need to take the PISA score, and keeping in mind that the mean number for it is 500 and deviation 100, translate it to the IQ scale where the mean is 100 and deviation 15. To do this we subtract or add the deviation from the mean.

    Keeping that relationship.

    Your problem, professor is that of a person who is good at learning and remembering, but is bad at logic and reasoning. You are that person, who is holding a huge pile of information in his head, and considers himself intelligent because he kind of knows it, even though in truth he remembers what others taught him, and doesn’t know it because he figured it out – he remembers, what other people had figured out, and he was taught.

    You can’t think.

    Once confronted with an argument that requires reasoning, you are mediocre at best.

    Have a good one.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn’t get it
     
    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score than the actual Russian population has, and even when this was explained to you more than once you continue making excuses.

    This demonstrates that it wasn't simply a mistake, but intellectual dishonesty.


    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk
     
    Fair enough. The problem is that Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Of course, even this correction wouldn't have been enough to remove a high-IQ bias in your methodology, because your sample was still weighted in favor of more populous, more urban regions which have higher average intelligence than rural ones as measured on tests.

    By playing your dishonest tricks you produced a result of 101.2 for PISDA-derived IQ estimate of the Russian population, when the actual number would be lower (I guessed around 100.5, but could be even lower than that).


    "We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians."

    ....

    There’s no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There’s a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.
     

    The blogger, Steven Sailer, did not make it up. You just failed to find it.

    You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    Here are 2015 PISA results by race for the USA:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/index.asp

    The average for science, reading and mathematics for White Americans is 519 (one point higher than it was in 2012).

    All-Russian (not ethnic Russian) average for PISA was 492.

    Here are Russian 2015 PISA results:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-pisa-results-2015/

    Average White American scored the same as average Russian from Kaliningrad in the same year. On the map you posted that would be 102.8.

    Which is higher Sharikov, 102.8 or 101.2 (or 100.5, a likelier figure)?


    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.

    First of all, we don’t know. Share that information source.
     

    Well, YOU posted that. Have you lost track of your lies, Sharikov?

    Here is your post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5400189

    Here are your words: "Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101.."


    in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.
     
    See above, about how your estimate is false.

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.
     
    A more realistic analogy: you were caught cheating at checkers, and then you try to hide it by making convoluted arguments involving chess rules.

    BTW here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA:

    It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia and that this number was 97.9. This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.

    First, the results given in Table 1 show that the British-scaled IQ of the urban Russians averaged from the two city samples weighted by sample size was 101.7 and of the village sample was 91.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.9. This is marginally higher than the IQ for Russia given as 96.6 by Lynn and Vanhanen (2012) on the basis of three studies from European Russia. These results are the first to show that the IQ of Russians is approximately the same in Asiatic Russia as in European Russia.

    Second, the results given in Table 1 show that the IQ of the urban Yakuts averaged from the two samples weighted by sample size was 98.6 and of the village sample was 94.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.0.

    Third, the Russians obtained a slightly higher IQ than the Yakuts in the Yakutsk sample while the Yakuts obtained slightly higher IQs than the Russians in the Viluysk and village samples, but none of these differences was statistically significant. The IQs of the combined samples are estimated as 97.0 (SD 15.1) for the Yakuts (N=738) and 97.9 (SD 16.5) for the ethnic Russians (N=120). This difference is trivial and not statistically significant (t=.56). Therefore the IQs of the two samples should be regarded as approximately the same. Weighting these IQs by the percentages of Yakuts and Russians in the province of 49.9 and 37.8, respectively, gives an IQ of 97.4 for the province.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  154. The war in Ukraine reminds me of two men so absorbed in their
    duel they don’t realize they are near a precipice. Sure enough,
    they soon fall into the abyss, villagers find their mangled bodies, and
    bury their remains. Instead of building a Garden of Eden in
    Europe, the two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide. This war reinforces the point of view
    I expressed here several years ago, namely that regarding human beings
    as weapon-making predatory primates or smart chimps, i.e., as
    animals, is a good first-order approximation to reality. Only individuals
    such as Jesus of Nazareth or perhaps St. Francis of Assisi have been
    able to transcend this sad state of affairs.

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe. Germany
    has been a long-term embarrassment to white people because of its
    propensity to hyperviolence. Bertrand Russell said the Germans
    resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they
    have zero talent for politics. IMHO Germany, although it has been
    reduced to a vassal state kept on a short leash by NATO, is still a
    bigger problem than Russia if only because Germany is right in the
    middle of the continent whereas Russia is on the periphery.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    The term ‘bully’ is appropriate in this context. It refers to someone who
    is simultaneously brutal and foolish, and as we all know there is no fool
    like a German fool. A few recent examples of German foolishness:

    - A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on
    December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).
    As Kissinger said, “Germany is too large for Europe, and too small
    for the world,” but Germans, apparently, don’t realize how small
    the population of Germany is. Germany ranks 19th in population.
    Ahead are countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Mexico, and Bangladesh.
    Germans, like Russians, are mentally stuck in the 19th century when
    the nonwhite populations were much smaller;

    - Between 1955 and 1973 Germany invites millions of Turkish Gastarbeiters.
    Their number is currently estimated as ranging between 3 to 7 million;

    - This one is simultaneously selfish and foolish: German bankers inflict
    the euro on Southern European countries like Greece;

    - Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Instead of diversifying its supply,
    Germany is hellbent on becoming almost totally dependent on Russia;

    - Merkel’s blunder: In 2015 she singlehandedly (without consulting
    Germany’s EU allies) invites over a million Middle Eastern migrants.
    True, Germany is losing about 250,000 ethnic Germans a year, due to
    low fertility and emigration, but is replacing them with Muslims
    a really good idea? According to official stats, only 5% of “Germans”
    are Muslims but if you believe that I’ve got a beachfront property in
    North Dakota to sell you;

    - Decommissioning AlL of Germany’s nuclear power plants. Why not
    50%? Germans, as usual, are incapable of following the path of
    moderation, which in the Aristotelian/Buddhist tradition is the
    path of wisdom.

    I could mention many more examples but ultimately they come down
    to German primitivism. Europe is waiting for Germans to become less
    primitive and more civilized. Unfortunately, this may take a long time
    as

    - Germans tend to worship the state, i.e., they believe it’s best to obey
    the government because the govt knows better. They are, apparently,
    unaware that sociopaths are overrepresented in business and politics;

    - Instead of the superior pragmatic-empirical attitude typical of the
    Anglo-American culture, Germans are extremely ideological, i.e.,
    they believe maps of reality more than they believe reality itself;

    - They tend to believe that science and technology are our salvation.
    As a result, they gave priority to their chemical and nuclear industry
    over the environment. People tell me, “You should have seen the Ruhr
    region 50 years ago.” Germans are destroyers of life. Even today
    Germany still has one of the lowest levels of biodiversity in Europe.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    , @Sean
    @Anon 2


    Bertrand Russell said the Germans resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they have zero talent for politics
     
    In his 1967 book, War Crimes in Vietnam, Russell repeatedly described America as a Nazi State. Russell had objected to WW1 on the grounds there was no great principle or human purpose at stake. However during America's period of nuclear weapon monopoly, he (and John Von Neumann) advocated threatening to use--or actually using-- the atomic bomb against the Soviet Union so as to stop the USSR from developing its own Bomb.

    The German elimination of even civil nuclear power (preceded by the viscerally neutral Austria that built a nuclear power station and never used it) was all about making themselves militarily harmless, and getting America to defend them for free. Germany is now cocooned within an alliance of friendly countries for the first time in it history, and guarded at US taxpayers' expense. Slick!

    , @Matra
    @Anon 2


    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe
     
    Though you are right, especially about Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately, the existential threat to Europe comes from the USA. If it remains in charge of Europe for another half century everything left from antiquity will be destroyed along with every statue and probably every language of Europe. America, a bastardized partial birth abortion of a country, is the destroyer of every nation it touches. They just can't leave things alone. If things aren't done the American way they must be changed. Every European must become a "decolonised" deracinated consumer just like them. Europe's challenge this century is to remove the American occupier or there won't be another century of Western civilisation.

    On Germans it's still hard to believe that they responded to an earthquake and tsunami in a country that gets them regularly by shutting down their own nuclear stations. And now look at the state of them; they've got a Greenish government firing up the furnaces (coal) again. For Europe, having Germany at its centre is like sleeping in a house knowing there's a pyromaniac in the basement.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Derer
    @Anon 2


    he two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide.
     
    You sound like this is a coordinated suicide. No. It happened because one of them succumbed to the evil apple offered to them from a snake west of them. Suicide is final and irreversible, fortunately this struggle is not.
  155. @songbird
    One way to facilitate remigration might be to build floating banlieues like they are doing in Busan and a few other places, and then to tow them away at night and remoor them at Lagos.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end ‘Chocolate City’, where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @S
    @LondonBob


    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end ‘Chocolate City’...
     
    For any who might not be familiar, below is a link on 'Chocolate City'. The comments are almost as good as the article. A few (purported) Chinese have the temerity to comment that, seeing the destruction mass migration has done elsewhere, they'd rather not see the genocide and cultural destruction of China that would surely result with mass immigration into China, and are against it.

    An apparent British person (a presumed 'anti-racist') calls the Chinese commenters 'Chinky', 'dirty', and 'damnable', and tells them to 'get out when they don't immediately cowtow to her.

    So much for the ideology of peace, love, and goodwill, that 'multi-culturalism' is supposed to be....not! :-)

    https://www.asiabyafrica.com/point-a-to-a/little-africa-guangzhou-china

    ...where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.
     

    Colonists and settlers, who thought they'd be there forever, along with their indigenous collaborators, enablers, and hangers on, have been dealt with before. Should it come to that, they will no doubt blame others for their calamity, though they only have to look in the mirror for the source of their misfortune.

    It certainly was not anything close to a majority of The People who invited these persons in:

    https://youtu.be/Wd5Pz8KJeU4

    , @sher singh
    @LondonBob

    Those homogenous European states you cherish are themselves a result of events like the Holocaust.
    So I don't know why you hold them as some historic inevitability or norm.

    I think there are enough Leftists, race/class traitors in the confines of the European continent to delay such a thing for a long time||

    Just my opinion .2c

    Replies: @LondonBob

  156. @Anon 2
    The war in Ukraine reminds me of two men so absorbed in their
    duel they don’t realize they are near a precipice. Sure enough,
    they soon fall into the abyss, villagers find their mangled bodies, and
    bury their remains. Instead of building a Garden of Eden in
    Europe, the two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide. This war reinforces the point of view
    I expressed here several years ago, namely that regarding human beings
    as weapon-making predatory primates or smart chimps, i.e., as
    animals, is a good first-order approximation to reality. Only individuals
    such as Jesus of Nazareth or perhaps St. Francis of Assisi have been
    able to transcend this sad state of affairs.

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe. Germany
    has been a long-term embarrassment to white people because of its
    propensity to hyperviolence. Bertrand Russell said the Germans
    resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they
    have zero talent for politics. IMHO Germany, although it has been
    reduced to a vassal state kept on a short leash by NATO, is still a
    bigger problem than Russia if only because Germany is right in the
    middle of the continent whereas Russia is on the periphery.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Sean, @Matra, @Derer

    The term ‘bully’ is appropriate in this context. It refers to someone who
    is simultaneously brutal and foolish, and as we all know there is no fool
    like a German fool. A few recent examples of German foolishness:

    – A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on
    December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).
    As Kissinger said, “Germany is too large for Europe, and too small
    for the world,” but Germans, apparently, don’t realize how small
    the population of Germany is. Germany ranks 19th in population.
    Ahead are countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Mexico, and Bangladesh.
    Germans, like Russians, are mentally stuck in the 19th century when
    the nonwhite populations were much smaller;

    – Between 1955 and 1973 Germany invites millions of Turkish Gastarbeiters.
    Their number is currently estimated as ranging between 3 to 7 million;

    – This one is simultaneously selfish and foolish: German bankers inflict
    the euro on Southern European countries like Greece;

    – Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Instead of diversifying its supply,
    Germany is hellbent on becoming almost totally dependent on Russia;

    – Merkel’s blunder: In 2015 she singlehandedly (without consulting
    Germany’s EU allies) invites over a million Middle Eastern migrants.
    True, Germany is losing about 250,000 ethnic Germans a year, due to
    low fertility and emigration, but is replacing them with Muslims
    a really good idea? According to official stats, only 5% of “Germans”
    are Muslims but if you believe that I’ve got a beachfront property in
    North Dakota to sell you;

    – Decommissioning AlL of Germany’s nuclear power plants. Why not
    50%? Germans, as usual, are incapable of following the path of
    moderation, which in the Aristotelian/Buddhist tradition is the
    path of wisdom.

    I could mention many more examples but ultimately they come down
    to German primitivism. Europe is waiting for Germans to become less
    primitive and more civilized. Unfortunately, this may take a long time
    as

    – Germans tend to worship the state, i.e., they believe it’s best to obey
    the government because the govt knows better. They are, apparently,
    unaware that sociopaths are overrepresented in business and politics;

    – Instead of the superior pragmatic-empirical attitude typical of the
    Anglo-American culture, Germans are extremely ideological, i.e.,
    they believe maps of reality more than they believe reality itself;

    – They tend to believe that science and technology are our salvation.
    As a result, they gave priority to their chemical and nuclear industry
    over the environment. People tell me, “You should have seen the Ruhr
    region 50 years ago.” Germans are destroyers of life. Even today
    Germany still has one of the lowest levels of biodiversity in Europe.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    One more item:

    Both Germans and Russians are very slow learners.
    That’s why they strike one as socially and politically primitive,
    e.g., invading their neighbors instead of cooperating with them.
    Germany, specifically, destroying nature, instead of protecting
    the environment. I realize that Germany has been repentant
    and is trying to mend its ways but cooperation does not seem
    to be in the German DNA - arrogance is.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    , @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Anon 2


    German foolishness:
    – A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).
     
    This is overstating it I think, since it was the initiative of a country with even smaller industrial capacity. Japan, like Germany doubled down on a second front when it couldn't finish the first.

    I think few Germans till this day understood what exactly happened-- the history was written mostly by the Anglos and Communist Bloc. With the Japanese perspective being most overlooked.

    German advisors helped Chiang Kai-shek defeat the CCP which led to the Long March (1934-5) that ended with Mao controlling only a tiny patch of territory in northwestern China, its poorest part--
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encirclement_campaigns
    https://i.postimg.cc/VkBTF9xz/Map-of-the-Long-March-1934-1935-en.png

    Mao was the biggest beneficiary of German invasion of USSR. While the Soviet were distracted, he got the opportunity to launch a proto-Cultural Revolution to purge the pro-Soviet wing of the CCP,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan'an_Rectification_Movement

    Well before the Americans entered the War, in Jan 1941, Mao had broke with the KMT and restarted the Chinese Civil War, while the war with Japan was still on-going.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Fourth_Army_incident

    As they had done elsewhere, Soviet spies significantly infiltrated Japan. Therefore preventing Soviets from having the face a second front, and permitted the survival of the CCP.


    This essay will focus on Dr. Richard Sorge and the members of his Tokyo Spy Ring, arguably one of the most effective groups of the Second World War, second only to Werther and the Red Orchestra.

     

    https://www.grin.com/document/53224

    In between all this was Chiang Kai-shek, who out of patriotism, astuteness, and foolhardiness, refused to sue for peace with Japan, despite both sharing the common nemesis of CCP. The end result being that by 1949 both he and Japan would be both kicked out of China mainland. Partly also due to his own KMT being subject to Communist infiltration and subversion.

  157. @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    The term ‘bully’ is appropriate in this context. It refers to someone who
    is simultaneously brutal and foolish, and as we all know there is no fool
    like a German fool. A few recent examples of German foolishness:

    - A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on
    December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).
    As Kissinger said, “Germany is too large for Europe, and too small
    for the world,” but Germans, apparently, don’t realize how small
    the population of Germany is. Germany ranks 19th in population.
    Ahead are countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Mexico, and Bangladesh.
    Germans, like Russians, are mentally stuck in the 19th century when
    the nonwhite populations were much smaller;

    - Between 1955 and 1973 Germany invites millions of Turkish Gastarbeiters.
    Their number is currently estimated as ranging between 3 to 7 million;

    - This one is simultaneously selfish and foolish: German bankers inflict
    the euro on Southern European countries like Greece;

    - Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Instead of diversifying its supply,
    Germany is hellbent on becoming almost totally dependent on Russia;

    - Merkel’s blunder: In 2015 she singlehandedly (without consulting
    Germany’s EU allies) invites over a million Middle Eastern migrants.
    True, Germany is losing about 250,000 ethnic Germans a year, due to
    low fertility and emigration, but is replacing them with Muslims
    a really good idea? According to official stats, only 5% of “Germans”
    are Muslims but if you believe that I’ve got a beachfront property in
    North Dakota to sell you;

    - Decommissioning AlL of Germany’s nuclear power plants. Why not
    50%? Germans, as usual, are incapable of following the path of
    moderation, which in the Aristotelian/Buddhist tradition is the
    path of wisdom.

    I could mention many more examples but ultimately they come down
    to German primitivism. Europe is waiting for Germans to become less
    primitive and more civilized. Unfortunately, this may take a long time
    as

    - Germans tend to worship the state, i.e., they believe it’s best to obey
    the government because the govt knows better. They are, apparently,
    unaware that sociopaths are overrepresented in business and politics;

    - Instead of the superior pragmatic-empirical attitude typical of the
    Anglo-American culture, Germans are extremely ideological, i.e.,
    they believe maps of reality more than they believe reality itself;

    - They tend to believe that science and technology are our salvation.
    As a result, they gave priority to their chemical and nuclear industry
    over the environment. People tell me, “You should have seen the Ruhr
    region 50 years ago.” Germans are destroyers of life. Even today
    Germany still has one of the lowest levels of biodiversity in Europe.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    One more item:

    Both Germans and Russians are very slow learners.
    That’s why they strike one as socially and politically primitive,
    e.g., invading their neighbors instead of cooperating with them.
    Germany, specifically, destroying nature, instead of protecting
    the environment. I realize that Germany has been repentant
    and is trying to mend its ways but cooperation does not seem
    to be in the German DNA – arrogance is.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    - I was struck by German primitivism when I looked at some statements
    made by Bismarck, and by Hitler before the Battle of Dunkirk. This sort of
    thing was excusable 500 years ago when Northern Europe was still very
    primitive, but not in the 19th or 20th centuries. As I said, Germany (and
    Russia) are very slow learners, unlike Britain or France;

    - An example of the German (and Jewish) ideologization of everything:
    Engels invited Marx to visit an actual factory. Marx, of course, refused.
    He didn’t want to be confused by facts. They say neurotics build castles
    in the air and psychotics move in. Germans are the psychotics because
    Marxism and Nazism have so little connection to reality they are
    essentially psychotic ideologies. Zen Masters sometimes tell their
    disciples that if they want to awaken to reality, they’ll have to stop
    reading books. What books mainly do is to keep you within a conceptual
    prison. But Germans, and to some extent the French apparently enjoy living
    within conceptual prisons.

    At one time I thought the U.S. was protected by its pragmatic philosophy
    from the continental disease of turning everything into an ideology (which they
    dare call philosophy) but with the advent of CRT I’m no longer so sure.
    The patient caught the bacillus and is not doing well. But the cure is simple:
    awaken to reality - it’s the first step to becoming enlightened.

  158. @A123
    @Verymuchalive

    You are 100% correct about by the problem.

    I previously discussed a highly viable solution. This is from 2020:


    Due to single € currency EuroZone [EZ] it is impossible for Italy to exit the EU/EZ. The € denominated debts owed by Italian entities prevents a return to the Lira without a legal framework to redenominate all contracts. Given that the EU is incapable of good faith negotiations with the UK, one has to believe they would be equally intransigent in any Italian negotiations.

    That leaves two possibilities for the next Italian government:

    Default — Which would destroy German financial institutions, such as Deutsche Bank
    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Given the amount of Italian Government debt held by Italian citizens and banks, Default becomes complex as an option. Selectively defaulting on only foreign held debt is difficult to execute.

    Monetization is much more practical. Italian Euro € Printer Go *Brrrr*…. The powerless ECB screams, but there is little that they can actually do. Once the first devaluation occurs others will follow such as Greece and Spain.

    German Elites, the backbone of SJW Globalism, will lose control and no longer be able to brutalize other EU/EZ nations with their perverse Austerity Economics. Individual German savers will see the value of their savings radically diminshed. This will likely lead to a German exit from the single € currency. The remaining EZ nations can then end the € in an orderly manner.
     
    I suggested something similar for Greece even earlier.
    ____

    The EU founding documents are badly written, as Brexit showed. The EuroZone [EZ] common currency documents are even worse. If several countries start printing their sovereign € currency, there is nothing the ECB can do to prevent it. The German people would force Germany out of the EZ, and thus the EU.

    Despite Wokechoke's outrage.... It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Very interesting comment. The only thing with which I disagreed was: “German elites, the backbone of SJW globalism”. That should surely read: “American elites, the backbone of SJW globalism” But that’s a matter for another post.

    You say

    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy. Germany had to use the Papiermark to buy foreign currencies to pay its reparations. Hyperinflation meant that it was unable to buy foreign currencies and unable to pay its reparations. So this scheme involved printing excess money to default on reparations.

    However, this annoyed the French who occupied the Ruhr in 1923. Shortly thereafter, the situation was stabilised by the introduction of the Rentenmark, and reparations were reinstated. So the policy was ultimately unsuccessful. However, there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    I’m not an admirer of economist Michael Hudson, but he has suggested a very useful idea – a debt jubilee, partial or full debt cancellation at both state and private level. This idea should certainly be explored.

    You say

    . It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.

    Indeed it is. Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, the UK was part of EFTA -the European Free Trade Association, along with Scandinavian countries, Portugal, Switzerland etc. This is what the future of the EU should be – a free trade bloc of European sovereign states. It would be bound by treaty, and would have no superstate or similar aspirations.

    PS I’ll need to have a look at your website. You’ve presented a lot of interesting ideas.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Verymuchalive



    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full
     
    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy.
    ...
    there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.
     
    Italy's sovereign currency is the Euro € , and Germany will not print. That makes the concept much more resilient, until Germany returns to the DM.

    It is a forerunner to ending the Euro. Part of a a wrap-up is undoing the wealth extraction that shows up in TARGET2. That top blue line show how much value need to be returned to periphery nations as part of a just end to the EZ.

     
    https://gefira.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/teczowagrafika-1.jpg
     

    PS I’ll need to have a look at your website. You’ve presented a lot of interesting ideas.
     
    The Conservative Treehouse, is not actually my website.

    However, it is a daily read. I am using the website feature here to promote it.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Sean
    @Verymuchalive

    Italy's debts are the 'assets' propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.

    Replies: @A123

  159. Peters delights his 2.2 million Facebook followers by conducting mass burnings of “demonic” Harry Potter books.

    https://unherd.com/2022/06/the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

    Nearly half of today’s Republicans consider themselves born-again, a figure up from 37% in 1988.

    They also use words like Patriots or MAGA.

    @a123

  160. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    This one is even more funny, don't you think?

    https://www.laprogressive.com/.image/t_share/MTg4ODA3MzAwODEzNjk0NTQ0/moskva-2000.jpg

    Still bellyaching about the West while you live and make money in the US? What a loser! Why not move back to the old country Professor? Beckow tells me that there's a great building spree going on in the "garden city by the sea" in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too...

    Replies: @Callsign Pidor

    great building spree going on in the “garden city by the sea” in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too…

    But why would he leave his comfortable life in The Great Satan to live in cholera-stricken Mariupol, recently brought into the so-called “Russian world”???

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Callsign Pidor

    Apparently, as a Russian patriot he should feel that a cholera infested Mariupol, created by his own political Russian leadership, is superior to the new life and home that he's created for himself in Memphis Tennessee. Why else does he continually bemoan his adopted home for the one that he left behind? Why else would he stay put?

  161. @Callsign Pidor
    @Mr. Hack


    great building spree going on in the “garden city by the sea” in Mariupol. Beautiful luxury condos, and because the project is brand new, you can get in on the ground floor and buy one at rock bottom prices. All in your very own backyard of Donabas too…
     
    But why would he leave his comfortable life in The Great Satan to live in cholera-stricken Mariupol, recently brought into the so-called "Russian world"???

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Apparently, as a Russian patriot he should feel that a cholera infested Mariupol, created by his own political Russian leadership, is superior to the new life and home that he’s created for himself in Memphis Tennessee. Why else does he continually bemoan his adopted home for the one that he left behind? Why else would he stay put?

  162. @prime noticer
    @A123

    "Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict."
    https://imgur.com/a/Kekk1Hl

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @A123, @A123

    Israeli polling clearly shows that of those Israeli citizens that have formed an opinion about the Russian/Ukrainian war, five times as many support the Ukrainian rather than the Russian side. He’s obviously substituting his own opinions for reality. He feels that anybody supporting the Ukrainian side are part and parcel of some sort of satanic conspiracy theory (he’s big on conspiracy theories).

    When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    47% would like to host Oligarch money 25% want to sell the bumpkins arms and 5% take ww2 mythology seriously. There fixed it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  163. @Mr. Hack
    @prime noticer

    Israeli polling clearly shows that of those Israeli citizens that have formed an opinion about the Russian/Ukrainian war, five times as many support the Ukrainian rather than the Russian side. He's obviously substituting his own opinions for reality. He feels that anybody supporting the Ukrainian side are part and parcel of some sort of satanic conspiracy theory (he's big on conspiracy theories).


    When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war, 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance, while 25% said that Israel should support Ukraine more. Five percent said Israel should support Russia more, and the remaining 23% said they do not know.
     
    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/324633

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    47% would like to host Oligarch money 25% want to sell the bumpkins arms and 5% take ww2 mythology seriously. There fixed it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    And what "ww2 mythology" is that?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  164. @Beckow
    @prime noticer

    The black-clad hottie has a costly haircut and disengaged eyes, she is mentally out of there. And who wears a badly-fitting vest on official visits?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    she looks like a witch.

  165. IMO, Lithuania should try to will itself to superpower status by doing everything in its power to piss off Russia, China, the US, and even India.

    [MORE]

    One thing I’d like to see them do is dedicate one percent of their GDP to making a series of films inspired by Red Dawn, where they fight off an invasion by each nation, in turn, not sparing any offensive insults or stereotypes in their depictions of their enemies.

    I imagine vodka stills carried on the back of every Russian tank. The US officers all being trannies, with half of them being played by Nigerians, trying to make all the kids into trannies. The Chinese paratroopers immediately lassoing people’s cats and dogs. And the Indian paratroopers immediately dropping trow in the middle of their most famous street.

    • Replies: @Callsign Pidor
    @songbird

    https://twitter.com/Hrillmanua/status/1538889068993445894

    Replies: @songbird

  166. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    47% would like to host Oligarch money 25% want to sell the bumpkins arms and 5% take ww2 mythology seriously. There fixed it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    And what “ww2 mythology” is that?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  167. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    And what "ww2 mythology" is that?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Demjanjuk is why 5% of Israelis support Russia? Kind of an expansive sort of fantasy world that you inhabit? :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  168. @songbird
    IMO, Lithuania should try to will itself to superpower status by doing everything in its power to piss off Russia, China, the US, and even India.

    One thing I'd like to see them do is dedicate one percent of their GDP to making a series of films inspired by Red Dawn, where they fight off an invasion by each nation, in turn, not sparing any offensive insults or stereotypes in their depictions of their enemies.

    I imagine vodka stills carried on the back of every Russian tank. The US officers all being trannies, with half of them being played by Nigerians, trying to make all the kids into trannies. The Chinese paratroopers immediately lassoing people's cats and dogs. And the Indian paratroopers immediately dropping trow in the middle of their most famous street.

    Replies: @Callsign Pidor

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Callsign Pidor

    Interesting. I take it that's a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.

    Honestly feels pretty weird to hear language like that used to describe America now. I remember seeing advertisements on TV that said "Yo soy el army", and that was maybe 12 years ago.

    Replies: @S

  169. Captured Russian Weapons Are Packed With U.S. Microchips

    Russians cannot produce anything themselves, China is likely in a similar position.

  170. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer
    @A123

    "Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict."
    https://imgur.com/a/Kekk1Hl

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @A123, @A123

    If you believe Jews are “pro-Kiev”, why is Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel) blocking weapons? Mere humanitarian aide provide limited assistance for Ukie aggression.

    The European WEF, and their puppet Biden, are sending weapons. Should this not be a minimum standard?

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Wow, some "mininum" improvement in your thinking, "minimum standards" of weaponry provided to Ukraine by the US and Europe. Why not provide enough to really even out the battleground?

  171. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    Very interesting comment. The only thing with which I disagreed was: "German elites, the backbone of SJW globalism". That should surely read: "American elites, the backbone of SJW globalism" But that's a matter for another post.

    You say


    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full
     
    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy. Germany had to use the Papiermark to buy foreign currencies to pay its reparations. Hyperinflation meant that it was unable to buy foreign currencies and unable to pay its reparations. So this scheme involved printing excess money to default on reparations.

    However, this annoyed the French who occupied the Ruhr in 1923. Shortly thereafter, the situation was stabilised by the introduction of the Rentenmark, and reparations were reinstated. So the policy was ultimately unsuccessful. However, there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    I'm not an admirer of economist Michael Hudson, but he has suggested a very useful idea - a debt jubilee, partial or full debt cancellation at both state and private level. This idea should certainly be explored.

    You say


    . It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.
     
    Indeed it is. Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, the UK was part of EFTA -the European Free Trade Association, along with Scandinavian countries, Portugal, Switzerland etc. This is what the future of the EU should be - a free trade bloc of European sovereign states. It would be bound by treaty, and would have no superstate or similar aspirations.

    PS I'll need to have a look at your website. You've presented a lot of interesting ideas.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full

    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy.

    there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    Italy’s sovereign currency is the Euro € , and Germany will not print. That makes the concept much more resilient, until Germany returns to the DM.

    It is a forerunner to ending the Euro. Part of a a wrap-up is undoing the wealth extraction that shows up in TARGET2. That top blue line show how much value need to be returned to periphery nations as part of a just end to the EZ.

     

     

    PS I’ll need to have a look at your website. You’ve presented a lot of interesting ideas.

    The Conservative Treehouse, is not actually my website.

    However, it is a daily read. I am using the website feature here to promote it.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
  172. @A123
    @prime noticer

    If you believe Jews are "pro-Kiev", why is Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel) blocking weapons? Mere humanitarian aide provide limited assistance for Ukie aggression.

    The European WEF, and their puppet Biden, are sending weapons. Should this not be a minimum standard?

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://www.socialketchup.in/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/facepalm-GIF-downsized_large.gif

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Wow, some “mininum” improvement in your thinking, “minimum standards” of weaponry provided to Ukraine by the US and Europe. Why not provide enough to really even out the battleground?

  173. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Demjanjuk is why 5% of Israelis support Russia? Kind of an expansive sort of fantasy world that you inhabit? 🙂

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Not specifically this guy. But he’s an example of why a handful of Jews might dislike Ukraine to this day.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  174. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Demjanjuk is why 5% of Israelis support Russia? Kind of an expansive sort of fantasy world that you inhabit? :-)

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Not specifically this guy. But he’s an example of why a handful of Jews might dislike Ukraine to this day.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one. You'll find 5% that will support just about anything these days. Look, even our smug American MAGA patriot kremlinstoogeA123 supports the Russian side. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

  175. A123 says: • Website
    @prime noticer
    @A123

    "Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict."
    https://imgur.com/a/Kekk1Hl

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @A123, @A123

    Are looking for an appointment from the anti-Semitic Biden administration?

    You resemble his nominee: (1)

    The Biden administration’s nominee to serve as the U.S. ambassador to Brazil spoke at length about the influence of Jewish money in politics, claiming the “Jewish lobby” exerts undue influence over the Democratic Party with its “major money.”

    Bagley opened up about the “Jewish lobby” and its impact on Democratic Party politics in the 1998 interview. She was asked about “the Israeli influence” on the Clinton administration, where Bagley served as the ambassador to Portugal.

    “There is always the influence of the Jewish lobby because there is major money involved,” Bagley said. “But, I don’t remember any major issues coming out on that, besides the usual ‘make Jerusalem the capital of Israel,’ which is always an issue in the campaign.”

    Democrats, she said, “always tend to go with the Jewish constituency on Israel and say stupid things, like moving the capital to Jerusalem always comes up. Things that we shouldn’t even touch.”

    You sound like the very model of a modern SJW/BLM Democrat.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/the-jewish-factor-its-money-biden-ambassador-pick-under-fire-for-anti-semitic-tirade/

    • Troll: silviosilver
  176. @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    Very interesting comment. The only thing with which I disagreed was: "German elites, the backbone of SJW globalism". That should surely read: "American elites, the backbone of SJW globalism" But that's a matter for another post.

    You say


    Monetization/Devaluation — Unilateral printing to reduce debt while paying in full
     
    Very clever idea. This has been tried before. IIRC, this was part of the rationale behind the 1920s German Hyperinflation policy. Germany had to use the Papiermark to buy foreign currencies to pay its reparations. Hyperinflation meant that it was unable to buy foreign currencies and unable to pay its reparations. So this scheme involved printing excess money to default on reparations.

    However, this annoyed the French who occupied the Ruhr in 1923. Shortly thereafter, the situation was stabilised by the introduction of the Rentenmark, and reparations were reinstated. So the policy was ultimately unsuccessful. However, there is no chance of the French or Germans occupying Milan, so there is nothing to prevent the Italians implementing this policy. The only caveat would be: print enough money to reduce the debt completely, but not enough to cause hyperinflation.

    I'm not an admirer of economist Michael Hudson, but he has suggested a very useful idea - a debt jubilee, partial or full debt cancellation at both state and private level. This idea should certainly be explored.

    You say


    . It is very easy to envision a EU/EZ without German participation.
     
    Indeed it is. Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, the UK was part of EFTA -the European Free Trade Association, along with Scandinavian countries, Portugal, Switzerland etc. This is what the future of the EU should be - a free trade bloc of European sovereign states. It would be bound by treaty, and would have no superstate or similar aspirations.

    PS I'll need to have a look at your website. You've presented a lot of interesting ideas.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean

    Italy’s debts are the ‘assets’ propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive, Beckow
    • Replies: @A123
    @Sean


    Italy’s debts are the ‘assets’ propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.
     
    That is the beauty of monetization. By printing unlimited €, the French banks will receive 100% on their Italian debt. Also Greek debt, Also also, Cyprus debt. Possibly some Spanish band Portuguese debt as well.

    Everyone gets 'Paid in Full'

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean

  177. @Callsign Pidor
    @songbird

    https://twitter.com/Hrillmanua/status/1538889068993445894

    Replies: @songbird

    Interesting. I take it that’s a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.

    Honestly feels pretty weird to hear language like that used to describe America now. I remember seeing advertisements on TV that said “Yo soy el army”, and that was maybe 12 years ago.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Interesting. I take it that’s a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.
     
    When I saw 'Saxons' there I at first thought it was going to be a reference to the Northern Crusades.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

    Replies: @songbird

  178. Is it my imagination, or are they slicing bacon even more thinly now?

    Packages have shrunk by 30 percent, but I feel like they are using more surface area to soak up more water, so you get even less than what you would suppose by doing the math.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I wouldn't know. I pick up the large economy lot at Winco, supposedly odds an ends for $8.36 for 2.10 lbs, "hickory smoked", no less. Just had a plateful with eggs and those long strips went down pretty good with some hash browns, washed down with coffee too. Does this seems like a good price in your neck of the woods?

    Replies: @songbird

  179. S says:
    @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end 'Chocolate City', where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

    Replies: @S, @sher singh

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end ‘Chocolate City’…

    For any who might not be familiar, below is a link on ‘Chocolate City’. The comments are almost as good as the article. A few (purported) Chinese have the temerity to comment that, seeing the destruction mass migration has done elsewhere, they’d rather not see the genocide and cultural destruction of China that would surely result with mass immigration into China, and are against it.

    An apparent British person (a presumed ‘anti-racist’) calls the Chinese commenters ‘Chinky’, ‘dirty’, and ‘damnable’, and tells them to ‘get out when they don’t immediately cowtow to her.

    So much for the ideology of peace, love, and goodwill, that ‘multi-culturalism’ is supposed to be….not! 🙂

    https://www.asiabyafrica.com/point-a-to-a/little-africa-guangzhou-china

    …where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

    Colonists and settlers, who thought they’d be there forever, along with their indigenous collaborators, enablers, and hangers on, have been dealt with before. Should it come to that, they will no doubt blame others for their calamity, though they only have to look in the mirror for the source of their misfortune.

    It certainly was not anything close to a majority of The People who invited these persons in:

  180. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Not specifically this guy. But he’s an example of why a handful of Jews might dislike Ukraine to this day.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one. You’ll find 5% that will support just about anything these days. Look, even our smug American MAGA patriot kremlinstoogeA123 supports the Russian side. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one.
     
    That may be true, but you didn't read the survey carefully: it asked "should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?"

    Half the population said "no". Given that Izrael is relatively neutral w no sanctions, all you can conclude is that among the minority that wants to get more involved more people side w Ukraine than w Russia. But it is still a minority.

    Given the Western propaganda war against Russia, being neutral is a soft rejection of the Western position. The 50% who support a neutral position are quite significant. Or maybe they know how this will end and Jews in general have a good sense to be on the winning side. A bad omen for Kiev.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

  181. @songbird
    Is it my imagination, or are they slicing bacon even more thinly now?

    Packages have shrunk by 30 percent, but I feel like they are using more surface area to soak up more water, so you get even less than what you would suppose by doing the math.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I wouldn’t know. I pick up the large economy lot at Winco, supposedly odds an ends for $8.36 for 2.10 lbs, “hickory smoked”, no less. Just had a plateful with eggs and those long strips went down pretty good with some hash browns, washed down with coffee too. Does this seems like a good price in your neck of the woods?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Yes, that would be considered a pretty good price.

    Never heard of WinCo, but the closest analogue here would possibly be Market Basket.

    The store has a weird sentimental value for me because when I was a boy, we'd always stop at one when we went on vacation.

    A few years ago, there was a big fight over control of the company between the surviving heirs. While it was going on, there were picketers and the stores were totally deserted and they were selling loafs of bread for $0.25. (I didn't buy anything, I just went in to look around.)

    The "good guy" who wanted to continue their economic model which was the best in the area for consumers and employees won, but in doing so, I think the company had to take on a lot more debt, which increased prices. And that was before inflation.

  182. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I appreciate your counter-summary. It is wrong, but has coherence and doesn't argue with cousins who fight or tries the tear-jerk 'but, they are killing us!!!!, stop!!!!'. War is an organized killing to take territory, why are they surprised?


    Russia defeated on most axes of advance. Now progressed like 20/30km in 4 months on one axis.
     
    Wrong. Russia now controls 20% of Ukraine, Black See coast with a hinterland all the way to Kherson. They also pushed Kiev out of Mariupol and all of Lugansk - both well protected with fortifications and the best of the Kiev's army. You are not looking at a map, or you are deceiving yourself. The territory Russia took is about the size of England.

    No sign of any “welcome.” Ukrainians 95% hate Russia.
     
    That's like claiming that "95% of ancient Egyptians couldn't swim" - totally unverifiable and made-up based on what you already believe. You cannot establish stable opinions in the middle of a war: too risky, too volatile, too much fear. One can claim that "75% of Ukrainians also hate the Kiev government and the oligarchs running it". Who knows? Both may be partially true. Or one is true in Galicia and Kiev and the other in the east and south. Those are unstable and largely fake metrics in a war.

    There were genuine signs of welcome in the east and south: I saw videos from Mariupol, other cities, Kherson. You can claim those are "Russians" - so what? aren't Russians people? That's why there is a war because the likes of you decided that millions of people who happen to be Russian and live in Ukraine are not really people. Claiming that many Russians fight for Ukraine is both true and irrelevant: many are professional soldiers or conscripted. Given that up to 50% of the population of Ukraine had some sense of Russian identity, why would that be surprising?

    We will have to wait until the end of the war.


    Russian economy due to contract 15% according to Russian figures.
     
    That has been now adjusted to 8% down, inflation is dow and they are cutting interest rates. Ruble is the best performing currency of 2022 up 35% against dollar. Russia is flushed with huge revenue increases - oil, gas, grain, fertilizer, aluminum are all dramatically up. Customers are obediently paying for gas in rubles, so what was all that "never" in April-May?

    Europe and US are heading into a recession. Germany declared an 'energy emergency'. many plants have shut down because they cannot make money with energy this expensive. The debts are too high in the West to have a recession - the defaults could be catastrophic. There are risks everywhere: Europe, US, Africa...and also Russia. This is a collective jump off a cliff.


    NATO expanding. Ukraine guaranteed supply of arms and financing for 2 years
     
    Nato has been expanding for 20 years. In Ukraine it was stopped - no more talk, no more plans for bases - Berdiansk and Ochakov were British ministers were opening new bases last year were destroyed in the first 48 hours. It was the main reason for the war and it has been accomplished.

    If you think that two Scandie countries that have been effectively in Nato for decades now officially joining makes much difference, well, have that small victory. It is a mixed blessing to be a target and to lose the cocoon of neutrality, no matter how fake it was.

    The arms coming to Ukraine are being destroyed almost as quickly - even the official Kiev admits 35%. The war may not last for 2 years, so the long-term promises are not worth much.

    Kiev officially admits to losing around 10k killed and 3 times that many wounded. The number of POWs is in tens of thousands. The weapons ratio is 10 to 1 to Russia's advantage (of course official admission by Kiev). These were the best trained professional troops. And don't do "what-aboutism" about the Russian losses - that's their issue, they have a much larger country and have had smaller losses so far. In a war of attrition, Kiev will inevitably lose.

    Stick around so we can compare whose prognosis is closer to reality. If Kiev ends up winning I will admit it, but you should be willing to see the other side. History gets really ugly when people refuse to think and live in pleasing narratives. French, Germans, Swedes, Poles marched on Moscow with some of the same ideas you have. Maybe this time it is different, but probably not.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Wielgus

    Yes, I think the British basing plans at Berdyansk and Ochakov (the latter once an important base for Ottoman Turkey) are very much on hold now…

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus


    bases...on hold now…
     
    Exactly. People argue about endless operational minutia but overlook the elephant in the room: when Russia destroyed the new Nato naval bases in Ochakov and Berdyansk everything changed. On that day the plans to expand Nato to Ukraine were over. It made the neo-cons very angry - as did losing Crimea in 2014. Angry neo-cons want to hurt people, they throw raging temper-tantrums as many times before. The leopard never changes his spots. Angry enemy is a weak enemy.

    Russia destroying the budding Nato bases with no Nato response was it - Russia achieved its stated goals. We are in a clean-up phase. The Western anger will burn itself out and there will be no Nato in Ukraine.

  183. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I wouldn't know. I pick up the large economy lot at Winco, supposedly odds an ends for $8.36 for 2.10 lbs, "hickory smoked", no less. Just had a plateful with eggs and those long strips went down pretty good with some hash browns, washed down with coffee too. Does this seems like a good price in your neck of the woods?

    Replies: @songbird

    Yes, that would be considered a pretty good price.

    [MORE]

    Never heard of WinCo, but the closest analogue here would possibly be Market Basket.

    The store has a weird sentimental value for me because when I was a boy, we’d always stop at one when we went on vacation.

    A few years ago, there was a big fight over control of the company between the surviving heirs. While it was going on, there were picketers and the stores were totally deserted and they were selling loafs of bread for $0.25. (I didn’t buy anything, I just went in to look around.)

    The “good guy” who wanted to continue their economic model which was the best in the area for consumers and employees won, but in doing so, I think the company had to take on a lot more debt, which increased prices. And that was before inflation.

  184. @songbird
    @Callsign Pidor

    Interesting. I take it that's a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.

    Honestly feels pretty weird to hear language like that used to describe America now. I remember seeing advertisements on TV that said "Yo soy el army", and that was maybe 12 years ago.

    Replies: @S

    Interesting. I take it that’s a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.

    When I saw ‘Saxons’ there I at first thought it was going to be a reference to the Northern Crusades.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    Honestly, I had never heard of the Lithuanian-Soviet War before.

    Interestingly, in this case, "Saxons" seems to refer to the core origin of the German volunteers being the state of Saxony, so not necessarily Ben Franklin's "white Germans."

  185. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean
    @Verymuchalive

    Italy's debts are the 'assets' propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.

    Replies: @A123

    Italy’s debts are the ‘assets’ propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.

    That is the beauty of monetization. By printing unlimited €, the French banks will receive 100% on their Italian debt. Also Greek debt, Also also, Cyprus debt. Possibly some Spanish band Portuguese debt as well.

    Everyone gets ‘Paid in Full’

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sean
    @A123

    It matters who stands behind a bank though. The French need the Germans for that. Hence the election of Macron, who was a banker.


    Apr 16, 2018 German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said EU reforms proposed by French President Emmanuel Macron should be addressed before European elections next year, [...] France has been pressing Germany and other European countries to stop holding up tough decisions about the euro zone’s banking and capital market regulations. Regarding reforms proposed by Macron, he said Germany wanted to expand the European Stability Mechanism i... there were “hard nuts to crack” with regard to a proposed banking union, including the high level of non-performing loans in some countries. Asked about Macron’s proposal for a European budget and a European finance minister, Scholz said: “These ideas are bringing new momentum into the European project that we need....
     
    Germans planned to get Britain to pay for it, then came Brexit. Now the French will have to make even more raids on Germany's wealth.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  186. Nature Index 2022* dropped last week. This is probably the best measurement we have of elite science production (only natural sciences, no fluff).

    Unrelenting Chinese convergence.

    As I’ve noted before, German academic Gunnar Heinsohn has calculated the share of elite performers in PISA math section as a foundation for scientific capability.

    Mathematics is the Queen of the sciences, after all. China has an enormous advantage even if you take a very conservative view and discount their official sky-high scores to something closer resembling Japan, which is the weakest of the East Asian countries.

    China’s problem isn’t having sufficient brainpower. It always had that. It’s self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?

    [MORE]

    2022 stands for release year, but the actual data is always lagged by one year, for obvious reasons.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @Thulean Friend

    Quite a lot of that "elite scientific production" is AI-related with dubious utility--

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/alexa-to-mimic-voice-of-your-dead-loved-ones/

    (also gig- and shared-based economy like Airbnb and Uber)


    It’s self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?
     
    The signs are pointing to no. Since the CCP astroturfs its own history to obfuscate that self-sabotage. But its relative share of global economy may reach a new high.
    , @Lurker
    @Thulean Friend

    Looking at the Anglo world there seems a near endless supply of self-sabotage in the Current Year.

  187. @AnonfromTN

    Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war.
     
    That’s the crux of the matter. I am really surprised that so many ostensibly intelligent people keep chewing the cud here. Ukrainian Nazis willing to fight are being killed at the rate of a few hundred per day. Cowardly Ukrainian Nazis have already run away to Europe (serves Europe right: if you allow shit in, don’t be surprised that it stinks). Ukrainian regime resorted to forcibly conscripting anyone they can, rounding men up in the streets and even on the beaches and sending them to the frontlines within days, w/o even minimal training. This intended cannon fodder does not want to fight: they docilely wait to be taken prisoners by the Russian/DPR/LPR forces, happy to remain alive.

    The war might last some time yet, largely because in contrast to the US “shock and awe” (meaning let any number of aborigines die, who cares), Russia is still trying to kill as few as possible and destroy as little as possible. For a good reason: Russia will be the one rebuilding deceased Ukraine, no matter how these territories are formatted.

    The only question remaining now is whether RF will leave a token “Ukraine” (like the pathetic piece Khmelnitsky “united” with Russia in 1654) under strict Russian control (that would include military bases) or take it all as separate regions, w/o recreating anything called “Ukraine”. Every Ukrainian attack on Russian territory makes the latter scenario more likely, regardless what Russian leadership thinks (in sharp contrast to “democracies”, Russian leadership does not go much against the will of the people).


    Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy.
     
    Not so fast. Russia will be in a position to decide who to sell what. Europeans work hard to be at the end of the line, possibly end up empty-handed. The great majority of countries (with about ¾ of Earth population) refused to introduce any sanctions against Russia, despite imperial wrath. Even some states the US always saw as obedient vassals (Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Bahrein, Kuwait, to name just a few) did not sanction Russia. Russian trade will focus on those normal countries, at the expense of obedient US vassals. Europeans, as well as US-occupied Japan and South Korea, stand to lose big.

    Finally, Russia’s geopolitical character has very likely now decisively tilted towards Eurasia.
     
    This is exactly what I said above. Except it would be also tilted towards Latin America and Africa, regions where not a single country toed the imperial line.

    Let me end on a lighter (maybe) note. New Russian joke: “The situation with the approval of the military operation in Ukraine by the Black Sea Fleet is not as simple as Russian officials make it sound. Some officers and sailors approve of it, whereas others believe that it’s high time to strike Washington directly.”

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Jazman

    Finally you here , excellent comment .

  188. Anatoly Karlin needs to go to the new Tasty and That’s It (Daily Mail translation) and get pictures. Surely he looks more photogenic these days than this fellow.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Someone needs to do the health write-up of the changes in the Russian fast-food industry.

    I want to know whether the calories, sugar content, and transfats have gone up or down or are weirdly conserved. Throw that stuff into a calorimeter!

  189. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one. You'll find 5% that will support just about anything these days. Look, even our smug American MAGA patriot kremlinstoogeA123 supports the Russian side. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one.

    That may be true, but you didn’t read the survey carefully: it asked “should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?

    Half the population said “no”. Given that Izrael is relatively neutral w no sanctions, all you can conclude is that among the minority that wants to get more involved more people side w Ukraine than w Russia. But it is still a minority.

    Given the Western propaganda war against Russia, being neutral is a soft rejection of the Western position. The 50% who support a neutral position are quite significant. Or maybe they know how this will end and Jews in general have a good sense to be on the winning side. A bad omen for Kiev.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I don't know where you got your quotation from, but within the article it does not state "should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?” but rather, " When asked how they view Israel's position on the war". Also, the answer that indicates "47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance," does not indicate that this is the viewpoint of all Israelis polled, but may indicate that this is only the position of the government and not of the population it represents. They're often not one and the same. :-)

    You'd be correct if the statement unequivocally stated "Israel should take a balanced position" not "has taken". The Israeli government, may have taken such a stance but it may not represent the opinion of 47%.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Ukies streaming away from Lysychansk getting slaughtered in the road like Falaise gap 1944.

    Replies: @Beckow

  190. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think the British basing plans at Berdyansk and Ochakov (the latter once an important base for Ottoman Turkey) are very much on hold now...

    Replies: @Beckow

    bases…on hold now…

    Exactly. People argue about endless operational minutia but overlook the elephant in the room: when Russia destroyed the new Nato naval bases in Ochakov and Berdyansk everything changed. On that day the plans to expand Nato to Ukraine were over. It made the neo-cons very angry – as did losing Crimea in 2014. Angry neo-cons want to hurt people, they throw raging temper-tantrums as many times before. The leopard never changes his spots. Angry enemy is a weak enemy.

    Russia destroying the budding Nato bases with no Nato response was it – Russia achieved its stated goals. We are in a clean-up phase. The Western anger will burn itself out and there will be no Nato in Ukraine.

  191. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one.
     
    That may be true, but you didn't read the survey carefully: it asked "should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?"

    Half the population said "no". Given that Izrael is relatively neutral w no sanctions, all you can conclude is that among the minority that wants to get more involved more people side w Ukraine than w Russia. But it is still a minority.

    Given the Western propaganda war against Russia, being neutral is a soft rejection of the Western position. The 50% who support a neutral position are quite significant. Or maybe they know how this will end and Jews in general have a good sense to be on the winning side. A bad omen for Kiev.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

    I don’t know where you got your quotation from, but within the article it does not state “should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?” but rather, ” When asked how they view Israel’s position on the war”. Also, the answer that indicates “47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance,” does not indicate that this is the viewpoint of all Israelis polled, but may indicate that this is only the position of the government and not of the population it represents. They’re often not one and the same. 🙂

    You’d be correct if the statement unequivocally stated “Israel should take a balanced position” not “has taken”. The Israeli government, may have taken such a stance but it may not represent the opinion of 47%.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack

    Israel's failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility and it will come back to bite them. It's not even good realpolitick: once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile

    Replies: @A123

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...asked how they view Israel’s position on the war...the answer that indicates 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance
     
    Israel's position is the government's position - there is no other way to interpret it.

    There is no indication that the 47% who say "it is balanced", oppose the balanced approach. If they do, why would you assume they would be all more pro-Ukie? Given the sensitivity and reluctance to answer honestly, some could be pro-Russian.

    In any case, the majority view in Israel seems to be to stay neutral. As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.

    Israel is closer to the global majority: 75-80% of people around the world do not share the Western official viewpoint. This is a big problem for Kiev, it means Russia can comfortably ride it out. What is worse for the West is that if Russia successfully defies it, the defiance will spread. It is an end of an era. As I keep on pointing out the only way West can avoid it is by "winning". So even if they lose, they will try to cover it up with endless PR. That is quite tiresome and will make it worse, they will look like whinging losers.

    The fact that Israel is de facto neutral is significant - and also India, Mexico, most of Africa, Indonesia, Turkey... Russia may be over-stating this 'end of unipolar world', but it is being weakened as we speak. If Ukraine loses - as they most likely will - the consequences will be very dire for the West: they doubled-down and escalated, so if they lose it will really hurt.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  192. @Wokechoke
    @A123

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @TheJester

    “Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.”

    Then Putin realized that NATO and the EU are one and the same. Both are complementary parts of the same “hive mind” of technocrats who are equally susceptible to bribery and threats from the United States.

    The new Russian policy:

    “The Russian “special military operation” will continue until there is nothing left for NATO to defend or for the EU to acquire. Yes, this will take a long time since Russia is not “conquering” Ukraine. It is slowly absorbing it into the Russian Federation which requires Russia to maintain as much goodwill as possible with the current population of Ukraine … especially the suppressed Russian demographic.”

    This means that Russia will “eat” Ukrainian oblasts one at a time until there is nothing left of the country except the parts that constituted Polish eastern Galicia centered on Lviv that were awarded to Stalin in the 1939 German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact. This territory is historically Polish and would constitute a demographic existentially hostile to Russia and everything Russian. Let Poland and the EU deal with the NeoNazi “Banberites”!

    As part of the Russian systematic disassembly of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact and the dismemberment of contemporary Ukraine, expect Moldova (Bessarabia) and Northern Bolkavina to return to Romania, northern stretches of Ukraine to Belorussia, and parts of Transcarpathia to Hungary and Rumania.

    What gives credence to this scenario is that, according to one source, when present-day “Ukrainians” are given the opportunity to fill out Ukrainian government forms in Russian, 70% of the population exercise this option. Russia is perhaps betting victory in the Russian-Ukrainian War on this sentiment.

    As some Russian pundits describe it, the new territorial arrangements constitute a belated conclusion to WWII … or as others describe it, the final chapter of the war that started in 1914 that may go down in history as the second “Hundred Years’ War” in Europe.

  193. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    My point was that a lot more Israelis support the Ukrainian side than the Russian one.
     
    That may be true, but you didn't read the survey carefully: it asked "should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?"

    Half the population said "no". Given that Izrael is relatively neutral w no sanctions, all you can conclude is that among the minority that wants to get more involved more people side w Ukraine than w Russia. But it is still a minority.

    Given the Western propaganda war against Russia, being neutral is a soft rejection of the Western position. The 50% who support a neutral position are quite significant. Or maybe they know how this will end and Jews in general have a good sense to be on the winning side. A bad omen for Kiev.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wokechoke

    Ukies streaming away from Lysychansk getting slaughtered in the road like Falaise gap 1944.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wokechoke

    Why didn't Zelko withdraw them when he could?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  194. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I don't know where you got your quotation from, but within the article it does not state "should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?” but rather, " When asked how they view Israel's position on the war". Also, the answer that indicates "47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance," does not indicate that this is the viewpoint of all Israelis polled, but may indicate that this is only the position of the government and not of the population it represents. They're often not one and the same. :-)

    You'd be correct if the statement unequivocally stated "Israel should take a balanced position" not "has taken". The Israeli government, may have taken such a stance but it may not represent the opinion of 47%.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility and it will come back to bite them. It’s not even good realpolitick: once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility
     
    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia's defense against Kiev's senseless aggression.

    However, no nation is obligated to fix every problem on the planet. Neutrality, also works as a lesser morality.

    once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

     

    Why would Russia come for an ally? Or, at least passive supporter? Both nations have a similar foe in Not-The-President Biden? (1)

    Israel doesn’t have to join the West against Russia

    The same western countries demanding that Jerusalem condemn Moscow’s actions in Ukraine are the ones leading policy that goes against Israel’s existential interests.
    ...
    Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led a new policy that created a historic understanding with Putin’s Russia. He moved Israel away from the American administration under President Barack Obama, to give Israel freedom to maneuver in the north, read Syria and Lebanon, and in Iran.

    Political savvy saves bloodshed.

    But the more important consideration is that those same “Western” countries demanding that Israel join them in United Nations condemnations of and their alignment against Russia are the ones that have been condemning and diplomatically isolating Israel for years.
     
    Given the collapse of the current left leaning government coalition, there is a good chance that Netanyahu will return to leadership. He is a valuable ally to both MAGA and Putin, against European SJW Globalism.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile
     
    Yes. This explains why Ilhan "Bro Banger" Omar is so comfortable in the U.S. Democrat party. Its 'leadership' embraced her values.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/323085

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

  195. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I don't know where you got your quotation from, but within the article it does not state "should Izrael support either Ukraine or Russia more?” but rather, " When asked how they view Israel's position on the war". Also, the answer that indicates "47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance," does not indicate that this is the viewpoint of all Israelis polled, but may indicate that this is only the position of the government and not of the population it represents. They're often not one and the same. :-)

    You'd be correct if the statement unequivocally stated "Israel should take a balanced position" not "has taken". The Israeli government, may have taken such a stance but it may not represent the opinion of 47%.

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Beckow

    …asked how they view Israel’s position on the war…the answer that indicates 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance

    Israel’s position is the government’s position – there is no other way to interpret it.

    There is no indication that the 47% who say “it is balanced”, oppose the balanced approach. If they do, why would you assume they would be all more pro-Ukie? Given the sensitivity and reluctance to answer honestly, some could be pro-Russian.

    In any case, the majority view in Israel seems to be to stay neutral. As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.

    Israel is closer to the global majority: 75-80% of people around the world do not share the Western official viewpoint. This is a big problem for Kiev, it means Russia can comfortably ride it out. What is worse for the West is that if Russia successfully defies it, the defiance will spread. It is an end of an era. As I keep on pointing out the only way West can avoid it is by “winning”. So even if they lose, they will try to cover it up with endless PR. That is quite tiresome and will make it worse, they will look like whinging losers.

    The fact that Israel is de facto neutral is significant – and also India, Mexico, most of Africa, Indonesia, Turkey… Russia may be over-stating this ‘end of unipolar world’, but it is being weakened as we speak. If Ukraine loses – as they most likely will – the consequences will be very dire for the West: they doubled-down and escalated, so if they lose it will really hurt.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    There is no indication that the 47% who say “it is balanced”, oppose the balanced approach.
     
    True, balanced means just that, 50/50. Let's not both display partisan views then.

    As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.
     
    I really don't pay a whole lot of credence to what you've pointed out in the past. "neutrality" is neutrality.

    If Ukraine loses – as they most likely will – the consequences will be very dire for the West:
     
    If this is true, the West will continue to support Ukraine with the weapons that it needs so that Ukraine comes out ahead. Today's news:

    Ukraine's Foreign Minister Oleksii Reznikov hailed the arrival of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) sent as military aid to the Eastern European nation from the U.S.—issuing a dire warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin's forces attacking his country...We're going to deepen our support for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in today's fight, and we're going to build their enduring strength for tomorrow's dangers," U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said in June 15 remarks in Belgium. By working together, we can help Ukraine defend itself from Russia's cruel assault," he said.
     

    Putin and other top Russian leaders have bizarrely justified their invasion of Ukraine by claiming that the country is led by Nazis. In reality, Ukraine's President Voldymyr Zelensky is Jewish and had family members who died in the Holocaust genocide perpetuated by the German Nazis during World War II. When Zelensky was elected in 2019—with nearly 75 percent of the vote—the prime minister in Kyiv was also Jewish.
     
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-warns-russia-of-massive-missile-strikes-after-u-s-rockets-arrive/ar-AAYN8hE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=7ad214185d5340d2953f94b4b46a81ac

    Replies: @Beckow

  196. @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    One more item:

    Both Germans and Russians are very slow learners.
    That’s why they strike one as socially and politically primitive,
    e.g., invading their neighbors instead of cooperating with them.
    Germany, specifically, destroying nature, instead of protecting
    the environment. I realize that Germany has been repentant
    and is trying to mend its ways but cooperation does not seem
    to be in the German DNA - arrogance is.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    – I was struck by German primitivism when I looked at some statements
    made by Bismarck, and by Hitler before the Battle of Dunkirk. This sort of
    thing was excusable 500 years ago when Northern Europe was still very
    primitive, but not in the 19th or 20th centuries. As I said, Germany (and
    Russia) are very slow learners, unlike Britain or France;

    – An example of the German (and Jewish) ideologization of everything:
    Engels invited Marx to visit an actual factory. Marx, of course, refused.
    He didn’t want to be confused by facts. They say neurotics build castles
    in the air and psychotics move in. Germans are the psychotics because
    Marxism and Nazism have so little connection to reality they are
    essentially psychotic ideologies. Zen Masters sometimes tell their
    disciples that if they want to awaken to reality, they’ll have to stop
    reading books. What books mainly do is to keep you within a conceptual
    prison. But Germans, and to some extent the French apparently enjoy living
    within conceptual prisons.

    At one time I thought the U.S. was protected by its pragmatic philosophy
    from the continental disease of turning everything into an ideology (which they
    dare call philosophy) but with the advent of CRT I’m no longer so sure.
    The patient caught the bacillus and is not doing well. But the cure is simple:
    awaken to reality – it’s the first step to becoming enlightened.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  197. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Ukies streaming away from Lysychansk getting slaughtered in the road like Falaise gap 1944.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Why didn’t Zelko withdraw them when he could?

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    It’s like he’s trying to decapitate his own army.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket


    When the allies landed in Normandy I think OKW Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wielgus

  198. • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    This is the evidence of one of the crimes of current Kiev regime, defamation of Ukrainian language and culture. Before coup-installed Kiev regime started bombing and shelling Donbass in 2014, many (possibly the majority) of the people in Donbass wanted only autonomy. Russian-speaking people there (a huge majority) were neutral to the Ukrainian language. Donbass, like pretty much all of Russia proper, enjoyed Ukrainian songs, some of which used to be very popular. Because of association with the Kiev regime, now Ukrainian language causes a gag reflex in Russia. It is particularly strong in the parts of former Ukraine liberated from banderites. There is nothing wrong with the Ukrainian language per se, but there is everything wrong with current Kiev regime.

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder. The regime made sure that those criminals were never punished. In addition, habitually drunk Ukie military drivers ran over civilians and their cars with impunity. Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians, murdered and injured more than 500 children. Naturally, what the regime “achieved” is a burning hatred of everything Ukrainian of >90% of the local population. That’s what you see in these videos.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  199. The Return of Industrial Warfare; Alex Vershinin: 17 June 2022

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Biden says China is 'not competition for us,' prompting ...https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/05/01
    2 May 2019 — Former vice president Joe Biden on Wednesday dismissed the notion that the United States should be worried about China as a geopolitical ...

     


    Analysis-Biden talks down Russia, spurs allies in bid to back ...https://www.reuters.com › article › us-usa-russia-summi...
    16 Jun 2021 — ... Upper Volta with nuclear weapons.” Biden was referring to the former French West African colony, which changed its name to Burkina Faso.
     
    Putin underestimated Ukraine, but Biden underestimates every superpower but America.
  200. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Mr. Hack

    Israel's failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility and it will come back to bite them. It's not even good realpolitick: once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile

    Replies: @A123

    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility

    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    However, no nation is obligated to fix every problem on the planet. Neutrality, also works as a lesser morality.

    once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

    Why would Russia come for an ally? Or, at least passive supporter? Both nations have a similar foe in Not-The-President Biden? (1)

    Israel doesn’t have to join the West against Russia

    The same western countries demanding that Jerusalem condemn Moscow’s actions in Ukraine are the ones leading policy that goes against Israel’s existential interests.

    Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led a new policy that created a historic understanding with Putin’s Russia. He moved Israel away from the American administration under President Barack Obama, to give Israel freedom to maneuver in the north, read Syria and Lebanon, and in Iran.

    Political savvy saves bloodshed.

    But the more important consideration is that those same “Western” countries demanding that Israel join them in United Nations condemnations of and their alignment against Russia are the ones that have been condemning and diplomatically isolating Israel for years.

    Given the collapse of the current left leaning government coalition, there is a good chance that Netanyahu will return to leadership. He is a valuable ally to both MAGA and Putin, against European SJW Globalism.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile

    Yes. This explains why Ilhan “Bro Banger” Omar is so comfortable in the U.S. Democrat party. Its ‘leadership’ embraced her values.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/323085

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    kremlinstoogeA123 must be getting paid a bonus for this incredible whopper of a lie:


    supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.
     
    In kremlinstoogeA123's bizzaro world, a country that clearly defends itself from a neighbor's aggression is the aggressor. :-)

    https://i0.wp.com/www.thescienceof.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Htrae3.jpg

    Somehow, we should try and rescue our once valiant and intelligent commenter kremlinstoogeA123 from the confines of Bizzaro World?

    , @Greasy William
    @A123


    Why would Russia come for an ally?
     
    They aren't allies. Russia is an imperialist, expansionist power and always has been. Imperialist expansionist powers always target the Jews because they subconsciously recognize that the Jews represent Divine sovereignty over Creation.

    Moscow is *directly* to the north, the far north, of Jerusalem. This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.

    Replies: @A123

  201. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...asked how they view Israel’s position on the war...the answer that indicates 47% said Israel has taken a balanced stance
     
    Israel's position is the government's position - there is no other way to interpret it.

    There is no indication that the 47% who say "it is balanced", oppose the balanced approach. If they do, why would you assume they would be all more pro-Ukie? Given the sensitivity and reluctance to answer honestly, some could be pro-Russian.

    In any case, the majority view in Israel seems to be to stay neutral. As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.

    Israel is closer to the global majority: 75-80% of people around the world do not share the Western official viewpoint. This is a big problem for Kiev, it means Russia can comfortably ride it out. What is worse for the West is that if Russia successfully defies it, the defiance will spread. It is an end of an era. As I keep on pointing out the only way West can avoid it is by "winning". So even if they lose, they will try to cover it up with endless PR. That is quite tiresome and will make it worse, they will look like whinging losers.

    The fact that Israel is de facto neutral is significant - and also India, Mexico, most of Africa, Indonesia, Turkey... Russia may be over-stating this 'end of unipolar world', but it is being weakened as we speak. If Ukraine loses - as they most likely will - the consequences will be very dire for the West: they doubled-down and escalated, so if they lose it will really hurt.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There is no indication that the 47% who say “it is balanced”, oppose the balanced approach.

    True, balanced means just that, 50/50. Let’s not both display partisan views then.

    As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.

    I really don’t pay a whole lot of credence to what you’ve pointed out in the past. “neutrality” is neutrality.

    If Ukraine loses – as they most likely will – the consequences will be very dire for the West:

    If this is true, the West will continue to support Ukraine with the weapons that it needs so that Ukraine comes out ahead. Today’s news:

    Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Oleksii Reznikov hailed the arrival of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) sent as military aid to the Eastern European nation from the U.S.—issuing a dire warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s forces attacking his country…We’re going to deepen our support for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in today’s fight, and we’re going to build their enduring strength for tomorrow’s dangers,” U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said in June 15 remarks in Belgium. By working together, we can help Ukraine defend itself from Russia’s cruel assault,” he said.

    Putin and other top Russian leaders have bizarrely justified their invasion of Ukraine by claiming that the country is led by Nazis. In reality, Ukraine’s President Voldymyr Zelensky is Jewish and had family members who died in the Holocaust genocide perpetuated by the German Nazis during World War II. When Zelensky was elected in 2019—with nearly 75 percent of the vote—the prime minister in Kyiv was also Jewish.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-warns-russia-of-massive-missile-strikes-after-u-s-rockets-arrive/ar-AAYN8hE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=7ad214185d5340d2953f94b4b46a81ac

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Speeches and promises of aid don't win wars. Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground. You think that will change, I think it is unlikely. It is not only the West that cannot afford to lose (or be seen as losing), Russia for existential reasons also cannot lose. This will be decided by blood and steel - do the math, and check out the geography.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch - mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today's Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    They hate Russians who live among them, they are planning to burn millions of Russian books...how is that not similar to Nazism? They build monuments to Bandera - a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer. This is a serious descend into reviving Nazi thinking. Not all by any means, but society seems to tolerate it. Europe will never accept that.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

  202. @Emil Nikola Richard
    The Return of Industrial Warfare; Alex Vershinin: 17 June 2022

    https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

    Replies: @Sean

    Biden says China is ‘not competition for us,’ prompting …https://www.washingtonpost.com › politics › 2019/05/01
    2 May 2019 — Former vice president Joe Biden on Wednesday dismissed the notion that the United States should be worried about China as a geopolitical …

    Analysis-Biden talks down Russia, spurs allies in bid to back …https://www.reuters.com › article › us-usa-russia-summi…
    16 Jun 2021 — … Upper Volta with nuclear weapons.” Biden was referring to the former French West African colony, which changed its name to Burkina Faso.

    Putin underestimated Ukraine, but Biden underestimates every superpower but America.

  203. @A123
    @Greasy William


    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility
     
    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia's defense against Kiev's senseless aggression.

    However, no nation is obligated to fix every problem on the planet. Neutrality, also works as a lesser morality.

    once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

     

    Why would Russia come for an ally? Or, at least passive supporter? Both nations have a similar foe in Not-The-President Biden? (1)

    Israel doesn’t have to join the West against Russia

    The same western countries demanding that Jerusalem condemn Moscow’s actions in Ukraine are the ones leading policy that goes against Israel’s existential interests.
    ...
    Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led a new policy that created a historic understanding with Putin’s Russia. He moved Israel away from the American administration under President Barack Obama, to give Israel freedom to maneuver in the north, read Syria and Lebanon, and in Iran.

    Political savvy saves bloodshed.

    But the more important consideration is that those same “Western” countries demanding that Israel join them in United Nations condemnations of and their alignment against Russia are the ones that have been condemning and diplomatically isolating Israel for years.
     
    Given the collapse of the current left leaning government coalition, there is a good chance that Netanyahu will return to leadership. He is a valuable ally to both MAGA and Putin, against European SJW Globalism.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile
     
    Yes. This explains why Ilhan "Bro Banger" Omar is so comfortable in the U.S. Democrat party. Its 'leadership' embraced her values.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/323085

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

    kremlinstoogeA123 must be getting paid a bonus for this incredible whopper of a lie:

    supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    In kremlinstoogeA123’s bizzaro world, a country that clearly defends itself from a neighbor’s aggression is the aggressor. 🙂

    Somehow, we should try and rescue our once valiant and intelligent commenter kremlinstoogeA123 from the confines of Bizzaro World?

  204. @Beckow
    @Wokechoke

    Why didn't Zelko withdraw them when he could?

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    It’s like he’s trying to decapitate his own army.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket

    When the allies landed in Normandy I think OKW Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ....Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”
     
    The word surrender has become politically unacceptable in a pumped-up PR age. In the past, honor kept people from surrendering, but life was cheap anyway.

    This willful self-massacre in Donbas is not honorable. It is a peculiar form of not-very-smart fools climbing up a tree, up and sideways, on ever smaller and thinner branches. At the end, with no way out, they will have to saw off the last branch they are desperately clinging to. Or somebody will do it for them.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @Wielgus
    @Wokechoke

    Giving up Donbass is politically unacceptable although militarily wise. Zelensky's regime rests on shallow foundations.

  205. @A123
    @Greasy William


    Israel’s failure to support Ukraine is a total abdication of moral responsibility
     
    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia's defense against Kiev's senseless aggression.

    However, no nation is obligated to fix every problem on the planet. Neutrality, also works as a lesser morality.

    once Russia is done with Ukraine it will be coming for Israel next.

     

    Why would Russia come for an ally? Or, at least passive supporter? Both nations have a similar foe in Not-The-President Biden? (1)

    Israel doesn’t have to join the West against Russia

    The same western countries demanding that Jerusalem condemn Moscow’s actions in Ukraine are the ones leading policy that goes against Israel’s existential interests.
    ...
    Former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu led a new policy that created a historic understanding with Putin’s Russia. He moved Israel away from the American administration under President Barack Obama, to give Israel freedom to maneuver in the north, read Syria and Lebanon, and in Iran.

    Political savvy saves bloodshed.

    But the more important consideration is that those same “Western” countries demanding that Israel join them in United Nations condemnations of and their alignment against Russia are the ones that have been condemning and diplomatically isolating Israel for years.
     
    Given the collapse of the current left leaning government coalition, there is a good chance that Netanyahu will return to leadership. He is a valuable ally to both MAGA and Putin, against European SJW Globalism.

    p.s.: Joe Biden is a senile pedophile
     
    Yes. This explains why Ilhan "Bro Banger" Omar is so comfortable in the U.S. Democrat party. Its 'leadership' embraced her values.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/323085

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

    Why would Russia come for an ally?

    They aren’t allies. Russia is an imperialist, expansionist power and always has been. Imperialist expansionist powers always target the Jews because they subconsciously recognize that the Jews represent Divine sovereignty over Creation.

    Moscow is *directly* to the north, the far north, of Jerusalem. This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William


    This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.
     
    Massive Cope and desperation on your part. The Ukies are obviously losing. You need to face up to that reality.

    Why would Palestinian Jews suicide along with the Ukies? Your futile begging for pointless support is an expression of weakness and immorality.

    There is no reason to believe the The Final Battle is nigh. Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William

  206. @Anon 2
    The war in Ukraine reminds me of two men so absorbed in their
    duel they don’t realize they are near a precipice. Sure enough,
    they soon fall into the abyss, villagers find their mangled bodies, and
    bury their remains. Instead of building a Garden of Eden in
    Europe, the two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide. This war reinforces the point of view
    I expressed here several years ago, namely that regarding human beings
    as weapon-making predatory primates or smart chimps, i.e., as
    animals, is a good first-order approximation to reality. Only individuals
    such as Jesus of Nazareth or perhaps St. Francis of Assisi have been
    able to transcend this sad state of affairs.

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe. Germany
    has been a long-term embarrassment to white people because of its
    propensity to hyperviolence. Bertrand Russell said the Germans
    resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they
    have zero talent for politics. IMHO Germany, although it has been
    reduced to a vassal state kept on a short leash by NATO, is still a
    bigger problem than Russia if only because Germany is right in the
    middle of the continent whereas Russia is on the periphery.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Sean, @Matra, @Derer

    Bertrand Russell said the Germans resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they have zero talent for politics

    In his 1967 book, War Crimes in Vietnam, Russell repeatedly described America as a Nazi State. Russell had objected to WW1 on the grounds there was no great principle or human purpose at stake. However during America’s period of nuclear weapon monopoly, he (and John Von Neumann) advocated threatening to use–or actually using– the atomic bomb against the Soviet Union so as to stop the USSR from developing its own Bomb.

    The German elimination of even civil nuclear power (preceded by the viscerally neutral Austria that built a nuclear power station and never used it) was all about making themselves militarily harmless, and getting America to defend them for free. Germany is now cocooned within an alliance of friendly countries for the first time in it history, and guarded at US taxpayers’ expense. Slick!

  207. @A123
    @Sean


    Italy’s debts are the ‘assets’ propping up French banks. That they will never be paid cannot be admitted.
     
    That is the beauty of monetization. By printing unlimited €, the French banks will receive 100% on their Italian debt. Also Greek debt, Also also, Cyprus debt. Possibly some Spanish band Portuguese debt as well.

    Everyone gets 'Paid in Full'

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sean

    It matters who stands behind a bank though. The French need the Germans for that. Hence the election of Macron, who was a banker.

    Apr 16, 2018 German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said EU reforms proposed by French President Emmanuel Macron should be addressed before European elections next year, […] France has been pressing Germany and other European countries to stop holding up tough decisions about the euro zone’s banking and capital market regulations. Regarding reforms proposed by Macron, he said Germany wanted to expand the European Stability Mechanism i… there were “hard nuts to crack” with regard to a proposed banking union, including the high level of non-performing loans in some countries. Asked about Macron’s proposal for a European budget and a European finance minister, Scholz said: “These ideas are bringing new momentum into the European project that we need….

    Germans planned to get Britain to pay for it, then came Brexit. Now the French will have to make even more raids on Germany’s wealth.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Sean

    Gold Star to Sean for ferreting out this piece.
    However, this was after the Brexit vote. Although attempts at Banking Union had been initiated from 2012, actual progress has been quite limited.

    As of mid-2020, the Banking union of the European Union mainly consists of two main initiatives, the Single Supervisory Mechanism and Single Resolution Mechanism, which are based upon the EU's "single rulebook" or common financial regulatory framework.

    Until October 2020, the geographical scope of the Banking Union was identical to that of the euro area. Other non-euro member states of the EU may join the Banking Union under a procedure known as close cooperation. Bulgaria and Croatia initiated requests for close cooperation, respectively in July 2018 and May 2019. Following a formal approval of these requests in June 2020, the European Central Bank started supervising the larger Bulgarian and Croatian banks on 1 October 2020


    So apart from minnows Croatia and Bulgaria, there has been no rush from other non-Euro states. Given the limited progress, it's obvious Germany and other countries are still blocking full Union.

    Even so, under previous conditions, full Union would have still been very affordable for Germany. In 2019, Germany had the highest trade surplus ( as % of GDP ) ever recorded, $290 bn - 8.3% of GDP. The previous best was 1916, when America achieved 6.7% of GDP - obviously due to the peculiar conditions of WWI.

    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany's trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany's trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.

    This indicates how lucrative the Euro scam has been for Germany - and they threw it all away for Ukraine, the poorest, most corrupt country in Europe. What morons !

    Replies: @A123

  208. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    It’s like he’s trying to decapitate his own army.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket


    When the allies landed in Normandy I think OKW Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wielgus

    ….Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    The word surrender has become politically unacceptable in a pumped-up PR age. In the past, honor kept people from surrendering, but life was cheap anyway.

    This willful self-massacre in Donbas is not honorable. It is a peculiar form of not-very-smart fools climbing up a tree, up and sideways, on ever smaller and thinner branches. At the end, with no way out, they will have to saw off the last branch they are desperately clinging to. Or somebody will do it for them.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    Surrender was always the honourable path after a sufficient period resistance had passed.



    https://youtu.be/xWsVZuxoLIQ

    Replies: @Wielgus

  209. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @A123


    Why would Russia come for an ally?
     
    They aren't allies. Russia is an imperialist, expansionist power and always has been. Imperialist expansionist powers always target the Jews because they subconsciously recognize that the Jews represent Divine sovereignty over Creation.

    Moscow is *directly* to the north, the far north, of Jerusalem. This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.

    Replies: @A123

    This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.

    Massive Cope and desperation on your part. The Ukies are obviously losing. You need to face up to that reality.

    Why would Palestinian Jews suicide along with the Ukies? Your futile begging for pointless support is an expression of weakness and immorality.

    There is no reason to believe the The Final Battle is nigh. Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123


    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.
     
    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.

    Replies: @A123

  210. @S
    @songbird


    Interesting. I take it that’s a broader use of the term Saxon, than was originally employed in the first conflict.
     
    When I saw 'Saxons' there I at first thought it was going to be a reference to the Northern Crusades.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Crusades

    Replies: @songbird

    Honestly, I had never heard of the Lithuanian-Soviet War before.

    Interestingly, in this case, “Saxons” seems to refer to the core origin of the German volunteers being the state of Saxony, so not necessarily Ben Franklin’s “white Germans.”

    • Agree: S
  211. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    There is no indication that the 47% who say “it is balanced”, oppose the balanced approach.
     
    True, balanced means just that, 50/50. Let's not both display partisan views then.

    As I pointed out to you, neutrality is today interpreted as pro-Russian. We can see it here on Unz too.
     
    I really don't pay a whole lot of credence to what you've pointed out in the past. "neutrality" is neutrality.

    If Ukraine loses – as they most likely will – the consequences will be very dire for the West:
     
    If this is true, the West will continue to support Ukraine with the weapons that it needs so that Ukraine comes out ahead. Today's news:

    Ukraine's Foreign Minister Oleksii Reznikov hailed the arrival of High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) sent as military aid to the Eastern European nation from the U.S.—issuing a dire warning to Russian President Vladimir Putin's forces attacking his country...We're going to deepen our support for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in today's fight, and we're going to build their enduring strength for tomorrow's dangers," U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin said in June 15 remarks in Belgium. By working together, we can help Ukraine defend itself from Russia's cruel assault," he said.
     

    Putin and other top Russian leaders have bizarrely justified their invasion of Ukraine by claiming that the country is led by Nazis. In reality, Ukraine's President Voldymyr Zelensky is Jewish and had family members who died in the Holocaust genocide perpetuated by the German Nazis during World War II. When Zelensky was elected in 2019—with nearly 75 percent of the vote—the prime minister in Kyiv was also Jewish.
     
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-warns-russia-of-massive-missile-strikes-after-u-s-rockets-arrive/ar-AAYN8hE?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=7ad214185d5340d2953f94b4b46a81ac

    Replies: @Beckow

    Speeches and promises of aid don’t win wars. Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground. You think that will change, I think it is unlikely. It is not only the West that cannot afford to lose (or be seen as losing), Russia for existential reasons also cannot lose. This will be decided by blood and steel – do the math, and check out the geography.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today’s Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    They hate Russians who live among them, they are planning to burn millions of Russian books…how is that not similar to Nazism? They build monuments to Bandera – a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer. This is a serious descend into reviving Nazi thinking. Not all by any means, but society seems to tolerate it. Europe will never accept that.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground.
     
    Russia is gaining some land in Donbas, but the battler there is not over. I predict that the Ukrainian side will soon start retaing land, like they did in the Kyivan an Kharkiv areas. Kherson will also soon fall. The Ukrainian side has steadily been taking back villages all around Kherson.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today’s Ukraine is Nazi-like.
     
    Russia actually fits the bill more of a Nazi state than Ukraine. Destroying everything in sight, killing and raping civilians. A dictator running an authoritarian state trying yo reestablish a Russian empire.

    They build monuments to Bandera – a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer.
     
    Bandera never was a Nazi accomplice. If he was, he's the only one that I know of that was locked away in a German work camp for the bulk of the war. The OUN/UPA had many documented skirmishes with the Nazi's in Ukraine. You're mixing up th OUN/UPA with the SS Galizien, a separate military formation made-up mostly of Galicians under the supervision of the German military. Bandera was not involved with this formation.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others.
     
    This is false, the main goal of Nazism was always to destroy the Jews, regardless of geography, because International Jewry was seen as blocking German expansion and potentially even threatening the very existence of Germany itself. The people in eastern Europe were never regarded and inherently being a strategic threat; they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

  212. @A123
    @Greasy William


    This is Gog and Magog and the final apocalyptic clash that Ezekiel predicted. Since there is no avoiding it anyway, Israel might as well do the right thing.
     
    Massive Cope and desperation on your part. The Ukies are obviously losing. You need to face up to that reality.

    Why would Palestinian Jews suicide along with the Ukies? Your futile begging for pointless support is an expression of weakness and immorality.

    There is no reason to believe the The Final Battle is nigh. Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William



    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.
     
    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.
     
    Really?

    -- Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term "Russia"?
    -- Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term "Israel"?
    -- Ezekiel, explicitly states "Israel will oppose Russia"?

    Your desperate Cope, is causing you to misstate a highly irrational & self serving interpretation as "fact".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William

  213. @Emil Nikola Richard
    Anatoly Karlin needs to go to the new Tasty and That's It (Daily Mail translation) and get pictures. Surely he looks more photogenic these days than this fellow.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/06/22/10/59382551-10938093-image-a-23_1655891646354.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    Someone needs to do the health write-up of the changes in the Russian fast-food industry.

    I want to know whether the calories, sugar content, and transfats have gone up or down or are weirdly conserved. Throw that stuff into a calorimeter!

  214. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @A123


    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.
     
    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.

    Replies: @A123

    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.

    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.

    Really?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?
    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?

    Your desperate Cope, is causing you to misstate a highly irrational & self serving interpretation as “fact”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123


    Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?
     
    No, but Magog obviously is a reference to Russia

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
     
    um,.. yes?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?
     
    No, he says that Russia will lead it's allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn't seem likely to happen in the immediate future because I can't imagine Turkey and Russia working that closely together right now, but these things can change and they can change rapidly: Turkey eventually leaving the Western orbit for a closer relationship with Russia is already clearly in the cards.

    Replies: @A123, @S

  215. @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    The term ‘bully’ is appropriate in this context. It refers to someone who
    is simultaneously brutal and foolish, and as we all know there is no fool
    like a German fool. A few recent examples of German foolishness:

    - A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on
    December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).
    As Kissinger said, “Germany is too large for Europe, and too small
    for the world,” but Germans, apparently, don’t realize how small
    the population of Germany is. Germany ranks 19th in population.
    Ahead are countries like Turkey, Vietnam, Ethiopia, Mexico, and Bangladesh.
    Germans, like Russians, are mentally stuck in the 19th century when
    the nonwhite populations were much smaller;

    - Between 1955 and 1973 Germany invites millions of Turkish Gastarbeiters.
    Their number is currently estimated as ranging between 3 to 7 million;

    - This one is simultaneously selfish and foolish: German bankers inflict
    the euro on Southern European countries like Greece;

    - Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2. Instead of diversifying its supply,
    Germany is hellbent on becoming almost totally dependent on Russia;

    - Merkel’s blunder: In 2015 she singlehandedly (without consulting
    Germany’s EU allies) invites over a million Middle Eastern migrants.
    True, Germany is losing about 250,000 ethnic Germans a year, due to
    low fertility and emigration, but is replacing them with Muslims
    a really good idea? According to official stats, only 5% of “Germans”
    are Muslims but if you believe that I’ve got a beachfront property in
    North Dakota to sell you;

    - Decommissioning AlL of Germany’s nuclear power plants. Why not
    50%? Germans, as usual, are incapable of following the path of
    moderation, which in the Aristotelian/Buddhist tradition is the
    path of wisdom.

    I could mention many more examples but ultimately they come down
    to German primitivism. Europe is waiting for Germans to become less
    primitive and more civilized. Unfortunately, this may take a long time
    as

    - Germans tend to worship the state, i.e., they believe it’s best to obey
    the government because the govt knows better. They are, apparently,
    unaware that sociopaths are overrepresented in business and politics;

    - Instead of the superior pragmatic-empirical attitude typical of the
    Anglo-American culture, Germans are extremely ideological, i.e.,
    they believe maps of reality more than they believe reality itself;

    - They tend to believe that science and technology are our salvation.
    As a result, they gave priority to their chemical and nuclear industry
    over the environment. People tell me, “You should have seen the Ruhr
    region 50 years ago.” Germans are destroyers of life. Even today
    Germany still has one of the lowest levels of biodiversity in Europe.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    German foolishness:
    – A tiny country called Germany declares war on the United States on December 11, 1941. What could possibly go wrong (for Germany, that is).

    This is overstating it I think, since it was the initiative of a country with even smaller industrial capacity. Japan, like Germany doubled down on a second front when it couldn’t finish the first.

    I think few Germans till this day understood what exactly happened– the history was written mostly by the Anglos and Communist Bloc. With the Japanese perspective being most overlooked.

    German advisors helped Chiang Kai-shek defeat the CCP which led to the Long March (1934-5) that ended with Mao controlling only a tiny patch of territory in northwestern China, its poorest part–
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encirclement_campaigns
    Mao was the biggest beneficiary of German invasion of USSR. While the Soviet were distracted, he got the opportunity to launch a proto-Cultural Revolution to purge the pro-Soviet wing of the CCP,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan’an_Rectification_Movement

    Well before the Americans entered the War, in Jan 1941, Mao had broke with the KMT and restarted the Chinese Civil War, while the war with Japan was still on-going.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Fourth_Army_incident

    As they had done elsewhere, Soviet spies significantly infiltrated Japan. Therefore preventing Soviets from having the face a second front, and permitted the survival of the CCP.

    This essay will focus on Dr. Richard Sorge and the members of his Tokyo Spy Ring, arguably one of the most effective groups of the Second World War, second only to Werther and the Red Orchestra.

    https://www.grin.com/document/53224

    In between all this was Chiang Kai-shek, who out of patriotism, astuteness, and foolhardiness, refused to sue for peace with Japan, despite both sharing the common nemesis of CCP. The end result being that by 1949 both he and Japan would be both kicked out of China mainland. Partly also due to his own KMT being subject to Communist infiltration and subversion.

    • Thanks: sudden death
  216. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Speeches and promises of aid don't win wars. Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground. You think that will change, I think it is unlikely. It is not only the West that cannot afford to lose (or be seen as losing), Russia for existential reasons also cannot lose. This will be decided by blood and steel - do the math, and check out the geography.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch - mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today's Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    They hate Russians who live among them, they are planning to burn millions of Russian books...how is that not similar to Nazism? They build monuments to Bandera - a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer. This is a serious descend into reviving Nazi thinking. Not all by any means, but society seems to tolerate it. Europe will never accept that.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

    Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground.

    Russia is gaining some land in Donbas, but the battler there is not over. I predict that the Ukrainian side will soon start retaing land, like they did in the Kyivan an Kharkiv areas. Kherson will also soon fall. The Ukrainian side has steadily been taking back villages all around Kherson.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today’s Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    Russia actually fits the bill more of a Nazi state than Ukraine. Destroying everything in sight, killing and raping civilians. A dictator running an authoritarian state trying yo reestablish a Russian empire.

    They build monuments to Bandera – a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer.

    Bandera never was a Nazi accomplice. If he was, he’s the only one that I know of that was locked away in a German work camp for the bulk of the war. The OUN/UPA had many documented skirmishes with the Nazi’s in Ukraine. You’re mixing up th OUN/UPA with the SS Galizien, a separate military formation made-up mostly of Galicians under the supervision of the German military. Bandera was not involved with this formation.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Bandera was involved with butchering Poles though. maybe 100,000 of them. Who can blame him really?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  217. @Thulean Friend
    Nature Index 2022* dropped last week. This is probably the best measurement we have of elite science production (only natural sciences, no fluff).

    Unrelenting Chinese convergence.

    https://i.imgur.com/yJRzQN2.png

    As I've noted before, German academic Gunnar Heinsohn has calculated the share of elite performers in PISA math section as a foundation for scientific capability.

    Mathematics is the Queen of the sciences, after all. China has an enormous advantage even if you take a very conservative view and discount their official sky-high scores to something closer resembling Japan, which is the weakest of the East Asian countries.

    China's problem isn't having sufficient brainpower. It always had that. It's self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?

    2022 stands for release year, but the actual data is always lagged by one year, for obvious reasons.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Lurker

    Quite a lot of that “elite scientific production” is AI-related with dubious utility–

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/alexa-to-mimic-voice-of-your-dead-loved-ones/

    (also gig- and shared-based economy like Airbnb and Uber)

    It’s self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?

    The signs are pointing to no. Since the CCP astroturfs its own history to obfuscate that self-sabotage. But its relative share of global economy may reach a new high.

  218. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Hello ape.

    https://i.postimg.cc/dtQ60DWB/Chimpanzee-reading.jpg

    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn't get it.


    You conveniently excluded regions with low estimated IQ scores. Novgorod (95% Russian) with estimated IQ of 96.5, Kaluzhskaya Oblast (93% Russian) with an average IQ of 94, etc. These two have a combined population of about 1.6 million which is more than some of the ones that you did include. You excluded high IQ Kostroma, but most of your exclusions involved lower-IQ Russians.
     
    Not a single region was on purpose excluded. The regions with the largest numbers of ethnic Russians were featured in the order of decreasing amount, exactly as it was listed in my comment.

    The regions with high percentage of Russians were featured, no attention was paid to the regional score during the selection. This is why the intelligent Tyumen with 103.6 wasn't included – the share of Russians is 73.3 percent, that's not enough. Even though it has a large number of ethnic Russians, despite the low percentage, it wasn't included, because that might introduce a possible influence of some smart minorities on the general score.

    To be precise, the regions with more than 90 percent share of ethnic Russians were put on the list, then the number of minorities was subtracted from the population, and then those regions were positioned according to the number of ethnic Russians, decreasing from top to bottom. Then the first 20 regions on the list were taken for a sample. The sum total of the score points was calculated for each region.

    The average percentage of minorities was calculated for the entire group and it happened to be 95 percent.

    Tyumen has population of 1 518 695 people with 73.3 percent of the being ethnic Russians and the general score of 103.6, so even after having subtracted the 26.7 percent of minorities we still have 1 113 203 of Russians and that's ore than in the featured regions like Kursk with its low 97.1 score, or Kaluga with 94.0, that you said was excluded, which it wasn't. Tyumen wasn't featured because the share of Russians is low.

    Novgorod with 96.5 points wasn't featured, because its population is low – 600 296 people, with 96.5 percent Russians making 570 281, it was outnumbered. Kaluga with 94.0 points has 939 732 of Russians, and Kemerovo with 95.9 points has 2 505 777, so these two got on the list, despite the lower scores, and Novgorod didn't. For the same reason Kostroma with 103.3 score didn't make it on the list.

    As a result of this and of ignoring ethnic Russians in provinces with less than 91.65% Russians, your total sample includes Moscow, a high IQ outlier but only about 50% of the Russian population. This doubles the effect of Moscow’s high IQ on your estimates of ethnic Russians as a whole.
     
    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk – that would have been 26 million of ethnic Russians – more than a half of the featured, as well as it would have left us with the population of provinces alone.

    And the same as we can't get a practical impression about intelligence of the Brazilians without counting Rio and Sao Paolo, or the Germans without Berlin and Hamburg, or the Mexicans without Mexico, we can't exclude the most populous cities and regions from Russia, especially considering that those four areas make 20 percent of the entire population.

    So then the decision was to focus on the number of people, keeping in mind that the percentage of minorities should be low. And it happened that in the selected regions on average there's 5 percent of minorities, so it fitted perfectly to my initial intention.

    The high-performing regions of Kaliningrad with 102.8 points, Karelia with 100.9, Komi with 100.8, Omsk with 100.6, Samara with 100.2 had to be excluded, the same as Tyumen with its 103.6 and Kostroma with 103.3, because in these regions either the share of minorities was higher than needed or the population was smaller than in other regions.

    Even though it's obvious, and there's no reason to consider otherwise, that 18 percent of Karelian minorities could not have performed better or worse than 82 percent of their Russian neighbors, with both of them having lived together for centuries, being close, having mixed families – even though it's obvious, the region wasn't included because the percentage of ethnic Russians is lower than 90, and the number is lower than a million.

    The regions featured on the list have at least one million of ethnic Russian population with 5 percent on average share of minorities.

    The share of ethnic Russians in Moscow is 91.6 percent.

    Therefore, your figure of 101.2, achieved through intellectual dishonesty, is higher than the actual ethnic Russian IQ, which would probably be around 100.5 or so.
     
    A dishonesty would have been to include the higher scoring regions instead of the low scoring, such as Kemerovo with 95.9, Voronezh with 97.5, Belgorod with 97.3, Vologda with 97.9, Kursk with 97.1, Kaluga with 94.0 score – but these regions were on the list.

    That would have been easy to substitute these six with the aforementioned high scoring regions. For example Kostroma with 103.3 might have been included, on account of having a higher share of ethnic Russians – 96.6%, compared to Kaluga having 93.1% and 94.0 points. Kemerovo, Voronezh and Belgorod have lower percentages of Russians as well.

    Omsk and Samara could have been included instead of Kursk and Belgorod, on account of having a larger population. Kaliningrad has 13.6 percent of minorities, but of these 7.3 percent are Belarusians and Ukrainians, and it doesn't make it count as minorities, to be fair – so it could and perhaps should have been included, but it wasn't because that would be cherry-picking.

    Had those low scoring six areas been substituted with the better ones, the median score would have been 102.0 – but that's not the real median.

    We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians.
     
    So it was in 2009. The estimated Russian average IQ score based on that test was 95.2 then, but the same test in 2012 showed 97.1, and in 2015 – 98.8, there's no reason to consider that it isn't a stable trend.

    So it was, if it was indeed.

    There's no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There's a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.
     
    First of all, we don't know. Share that information source.

    Second, if we calculate the estimated IQ result from that 518 PISA score, it will be 102.7 and not 104.

    Therefore, this PISA to IQ conversion used to estimate Russian IQ, overestimates IQs by around 3 points. So the 100.5 ethnic Russian IQ based on the map you posted, is actually probably around 97.5.
     
    You can't count it like that, idiot.

    According to the PISA scores, in that blog, the average score in Russia was 481. After PISA to IQ conversion we get 97.1 points, or to be precise 97.15, as in the graphic that had been shown before. That was in 2012, and the map with regional scores is from 2015.

    The estimated IQ of Russia according to the OECD scores of 2009 was 95.2, and in 2015 it was 98.8, and in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.

    Now we can do as Professor does – if the sore was 95.2 in 2009 and then 98.8 in 2015 that means it had grown on 3.8% in 6 years, therefore in 2021 it was supposed to be 102.5 – bingo!

    And since as we know ethnic Russians are 2.5% more intelligent, the score of ethnic Russians in 2021 was supposed to be 103.7, so tell me professor which number is higher.

    That's stupid. But you would certainly do it.

    So yes, white Americans on average are smarter than ethnic Russians, on average. You have failed again and as usual. As I said, failing is what you do best.
     
    You know what you remind me about?

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.

    That's you, AP.

    Let me show you how to count. You need to take the PISA score, and keeping in mind that the mean number for it is 500 and deviation 100, translate it to the IQ scale where the mean is 100 and deviation 15. To do this we subtract or add the deviation from the mean.

    Keeping that relationship.

    Your problem, professor is that of a person who is good at learning and remembering, but is bad at logic and reasoning. You are that person, who is holding a huge pile of information in his head, and considers himself intelligent because he kind of knows it, even though in truth he remembers what others taught him, and doesn't know it because he figured it out – he remembers, what other people had figured out, and he was taught.

    You can't think.

    Once confronted with an argument that requires reasoning, you are mediocre at best.

    Have a good one.

    Replies: @AP

    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn’t get it

    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score than the actual Russian population has, and even when this was explained to you more than once you continue making excuses.

    This demonstrates that it wasn’t simply a mistake, but intellectual dishonesty.

    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk

    Fair enough. The problem is that Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Of course, even this correction wouldn’t have been enough to remove a high-IQ bias in your methodology, because your sample was still weighted in favor of more populous, more urban regions which have higher average intelligence than rural ones as measured on tests.

    By playing your dishonest tricks you produced a result of 101.2 for PISDA-derived IQ estimate of the Russian population, when the actual number would be lower (I guessed around 100.5, but could be even lower than that).

    “We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians.”

    ….

    There’s no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There’s a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.

    The blogger, Steven Sailer, did not make it up. You just failed to find it.

    You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    Here are 2015 PISA results by race for the USA:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/index.asp

    The average for science, reading and mathematics for White Americans is 519 (one point higher than it was in 2012).

    All-Russian (not ethnic Russian) average for PISA was 492.

    Here are Russian 2015 PISA results:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-pisa-results-2015/

    Average White American scored the same as average Russian from Kaliningrad in the same year. On the map you posted that would be 102.8.

    Which is higher Sharikov, 102.8 or 101.2 (or 100.5, a likelier figure)?

    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.

    First of all, we don’t know. Share that information source.

    Well, YOU posted that. Have you lost track of your lies, Sharikov?

    Here is your post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5400189

    Here are your words: “Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101..”

    in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.

    See above, about how your estimate is false.

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.

    A more realistic analogy: you were caught cheating at checkers, and then you try to hide it by making convoluted arguments involving chess rules.

    BTW here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA:

    It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia and that this number was 97.9. This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.

    [MORE]

    First, the results given in Table 1 show that the British-scaled IQ of the urban Russians averaged from the two city samples weighted by sample size was 101.7 and of the village sample was 91.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.9. This is marginally higher than the IQ for Russia given as 96.6 by Lynn and Vanhanen (2012) on the basis of three studies from European Russia. These results are the first to show that the IQ of Russians is approximately the same in Asiatic Russia as in European Russia.

    Second, the results given in Table 1 show that the IQ of the urban Yakuts averaged from the two samples weighted by sample size was 98.6 and of the village sample was 94.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.0.

    Third, the Russians obtained a slightly higher IQ than the Yakuts in the Yakutsk sample while the Yakuts obtained slightly higher IQs than the Russians in the Viluysk and village samples, but none of these differences was statistically significant. The IQs of the combined samples are estimated as 97.0 (SD 15.1) for the Yakuts (N=738) and 97.9 (SD 16.5) for the ethnic Russians (N=120). This difference is trivial and not statistically significant (t=.56). Therefore the IQs of the two samples should be regarded as approximately the same. Weighting these IQs by the percentages of Yakuts and Russians in the province of 49.9 and 37.8, respectively, gives an IQ of 97.4 for the province.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Hi.


    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score.
     
    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn't have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It's 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

    If you continue adding regions the share of minorities will exceed 5 percent. If you omit the most populous regions, such as Moscow the list will be comprised of provincial areas alone. Either way the result will not reflect the reality.

    So – the parameters and conditions were selected, and the list happened to be what it is. That's a natural selection coming from the Russian census. The fact that it happened to be 20 regions, no more no less, is accidental.

    And after it had been compiled the IQ scores were counted.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.
     
    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There's no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.

    Here are your words: “Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101.”
     
    Yes indeed. My memory doesn't serve me right someties. Thank you for reminding me – this is relevant and on point.

    See above, about how your estimate is false.
     
    Your argument is false.

    My estimate is as good as it an be. The sampled area covers all of the Russia's territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn't depend on the score.

    Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA.
     
    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven's Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That's a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn't correlate with the Wechsler test.

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.

    This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia.
     
    No compadre that was a complete bullshit.

    Some assortment of researches, if you may call it that, from various decades, some are twenty years old, each one is using a different test, scaling up the result to the standard – it's amazing that this kind of drivel is getting published.

    These are not equal to the real IQ test, and of these no other but PISA has a correlation with the WAIS test scores.

    Replies: @AP

  219. @prime noticer
    @A123

    "Jews are neutral or Russian leaning in this conflict."
    https://imgur.com/a/Kekk1Hl

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @A123, @A123

    Here is yet another example of Palestinian Jews holding Zelensky in contempt.

      

    The idea that Jews support the deranged & corrupt Kiev regime is totally, absolutely, 100% absurd.

    PEACE 😇

    https://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123

    Most Israelis have a negative view of Russia and like Biden more than Putin or any other world leader:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/PG_2022.07.22_U.S.-Image_3-01.png?resize=463,1024

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/PG_2022.07.22_U.S.-Image_4-01.png?resize=640,588

    Replies: @A123

  220. @A123
    @prime noticer

    Here is yet another example of Palestinian Jews holding Zelensky in contempt.

     
    https://www.mrdrybones.com/blog/D22621_1.png
     

    The idea that Jews support the deranged & corrupt Kiev regime is totally, absolutely, 100% absurd.

    PEACE 😇

    https://drybonesblog.blogspot.com/

    Replies: @AP

    • Replies: @A123
    @AP


    Most Israelis have a negative view of Russia and like Biden more than Putin or any other world leader:
     
    Two huge problems with your ludicrous attempt at misdirection.

    -1- How many of these Israelis are observant Jews? Due to well known mistakes by prior far-left Israeli governments, there is a significant count of non-Jewish Israelis. Plus, some portion of the theoretically Jewish population is actually non-Jewish secular.

    -2- There is a huge difference between military support for Ukraine (my point), and your attempt at trickery by presenting generic numbers about Russia & Putin.

    It is self evident that you have nothing on point, which is why you are engaged in such feeble and obvious disinformation. Your refusal to present information on views about Zelensky is unequivocal evidence of malfeasance.
    ___

    Here is some advice you should take to heart:
        • Stop smoking the Copium.
        • Deal with the reality that your Ukies are losing.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  221. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Likewise the test that you keep bringing up is not the IQ test either – it’s the Standard Progressive Matrices test, not the Wechsler test
     
    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    And the same researchers who came up with 103.2 and also came up with 96.5, and stated that the latter was the actual average Russian IQ didn’t explain, or at least in that quote didn’t show how and where the samples were taken.
     
    So? If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5.

    You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    The “sample were kids of professionals in an urban area” is not a good argument
     
    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    White Americans should be compared to White Russians.

    The map of the regional results in Russia is showing the general average 98.8, which is lower than the average of the regions with high percentage of ethnic Russians. Taking that score, 101.2 as 100 percent we get that 98.8 makes 97.6% of it.
     
    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty, Sharikov.

    As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions (for example, Irkutsk oblast has almost the same % of Russians as Moscow, but it's average estimated IQ was 92.9 so you conveniently did not include it). You included the Moscow outlier but didn't include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I'd guess around 100.5 or so.

    This means that ethnic Russians score would be an estimated 1.0172x the overall Russian result.

    So the adjusted scores would be:

    4th grade US Whites: 570; Russians: 576
    8th grade US Whites: 557; Russians: 553

    In that part of the world R1A is linked to Slavs, not Afghans. Volga Tatars and Chuvash are only 10% to 20% Asian in origin.

    Yes, and their haplogroup N to which 28 percent of them belong is linked to the Siberian Eskimos and Nenets people.
     
    And also Mari and Udmurts. Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    Mari:

    https://gdb.rferl.org/961391B6-8996-4D26-AB66-67C0F63B9541_w1071_s_d3.jpg

    Here are Udmurts:

    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/mcs/media/images/78897000/jpg/_78897880_redhair-festival624.jpg


    "When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment."

    Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.
     
    Liar, I never said that.

    As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you.

    My exact words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5388284

    "Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya."

    So now once again you are caught in a lie, Sharikov.

    In addition to failing often, you lie often. Your only two talents.

    My words were in response to another of your many lies: "Your hatred of Russia, and all things Russian, and the Russian people."

    I don't all things Russian, nor "the Russian people." I do hate the grotesque mockery of Russia that was the USSR.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

    Hi, chimpanzee.

    Shall we continue?

    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.

    Thank you sweetheart, for this valuable information. You are very helpful. And very cute.

    Now listen to me.

    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale. The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years and has become a standard for measuring intelligence, because no other test does it better. WAIS is the most widespread IQ test in the world.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn’t mean that these results correlate and can be compared. One is a serious and comprehensive examination for adult people, the other is a childish game.

    As for the PISA test it’s more or less acceptable as a comparison and there is a correlation between the two however it’s not the same either – it was designed for school students, and contains mathematics, science and reading, but no logic and reasoning, though some questions require logical thinking.

    This test isn’t bad as long as a person remembers what he has been taught. A lot of people of course begin to forget most of that soon enough after finishing the school, so if we are talking about 8-grade children we can use it, but it isn’t as useful when we are talking about adult people, as the WAIS test.

    You should take this test, because you need to get grounded. Your self-importance is comical.

    Take the test.

    [MORE]

    If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5. You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.

    No we can and should disregard it, because it shouldn’t be that much lower, considering that 103.2 was obtained from a sample of children in a provincial town.

    The quotation didn’t feature information, explaining where the 96.5 score comes from. Perhaps a bunch of villages.

    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.

    Yes, if the average is not the children of professionals in an urban environment as well, which it is – in Russia, 75 percent of population lives in an urban environment. The population of rural areas is about 35 million, the population of big cities is about the same.

    High scoring Russians from the big cities compensate for the low scores of the peasants.

    Russia ranks fourth in the world for the number of cities with populations over a million people. There are fifteen such cities, with the sum total of population about 33.5 million people, and more than a half of them live in Moscow and St Petersburg.

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what’s the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there’s no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it’s not 101.2, it’s 101.12, a digit didn’t click – mechanical error.

    Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.

    And it doesn’t mean anything.

    Chuvash and Tatar people are Turkic, Udmurt and Mari people are Finnic. Chuvash and Tatar people are less homogeneous, Udmurt and Mari are more homogeneous.

    56 percent of Udmurt people belong to haplogroup N3 and 28 to N2, 50 percent of Mari belong to N3 and 30 percent of Chuvash and Tatar people belong to some other subclades – it doesn’t really mean anything.

    The fact is, Turkic and Finnic peoples don’t mix.

    Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So what’s the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.

    Dumbass.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Hi Sharikov, let's examine more of your lies and ignorance:


    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.
     
    By they, you mean ignorant Sharikovs such as you.

    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones. Raven's is the most commonly used of the nonverbal ones. As such, it is the IQ test used most often in international comparative studies, because it's norms are more universal. The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same, whereas people use the exact same items across countries on the nonverbal Standard Progressive Matrices test.

    The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years
     
    Standard Progressive Matrices has been used since 1936.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.
     
    Sharikov is dumb.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test; indeed is has more of such tasks. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn’t mean that these results correlate and can be compared.
     
    Of course they correlate and can be compared, liar Sharikov. Example:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what’s the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there’s no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it’s not 101.2, it’s 101.12, a digit didn’t click – mechanical error.
     
    Sharikov keeps ignoring the explanation of his dishonesty. Here is goes, again:

    Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia because the outlier smart Muscovites are double the percentage of your sample than they are of the general Russian population.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.


    "Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So what’s the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.
     
    Sharikov was caught lying so he doubles down.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place. Your house (even if you rent it, or it belongs to your parents), your apartment (even if you don't own it). "Come to my house for a party." "I miss my old apartment." Etc.

    You lied and you got caught in your lie. One shouldn't lie anywhere, but on Unz it's easy to search comments and expose liars such as you. Here are your lying words, you subhuman product of Soviet overlords:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5404546

    AP: "“When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him."

    Actual words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya"

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  222. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @A123

    Most Israelis have a negative view of Russia and like Biden more than Putin or any other world leader:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/PG_2022.07.22_U.S.-Image_3-01.png?resize=463,1024

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/PG_2022.07.22_U.S.-Image_4-01.png?resize=640,588

    Replies: @A123

    Most Israelis have a negative view of Russia and like Biden more than Putin or any other world leader:

    Two huge problems with your ludicrous attempt at misdirection.

    -1- How many of these Israelis are observant Jews? Due to well known mistakes by prior far-left Israeli governments, there is a significant count of non-Jewish Israelis. Plus, some portion of the theoretically Jewish population is actually non-Jewish secular.

    -2- There is a huge difference between military support for Ukraine (my point), and your attempt at trickery by presenting generic numbers about Russia & Putin.

    It is self evident that you have nothing on point, which is why you are engaged in such feeble and obvious disinformation. Your refusal to present information on views about Zelensky is unequivocal evidence of malfeasance.
    ___

    Here is some advice you should take to heart:
        • Stop smoking the Copium.
        • Deal with the reality that your Ukies are losing.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    So now you're accusing AP of being some sort of a public official involved with unlawful activity?

    Your kremlinstooge act is causing you to look at best as bizarre and at worst as unhinged. Get a grip on man before you start chewing on the carpet.

    malfeasance:
    Intentional conduct that is wrongful or unlawful, especially by officials or public employees.

    Here's an example of real malfeasance. Can you spot the two top culprits? Concentrate real hard, I'm sure that you can do it:

    https://gdb.rferl.org/04832C79-5DBC-442C-9BAF-2BDF947B6E4F_w1023_n_st.jpg

  223. @Thulean Friend
    Nature Index 2022* dropped last week. This is probably the best measurement we have of elite science production (only natural sciences, no fluff).

    Unrelenting Chinese convergence.

    https://i.imgur.com/yJRzQN2.png

    As I've noted before, German academic Gunnar Heinsohn has calculated the share of elite performers in PISA math section as a foundation for scientific capability.

    Mathematics is the Queen of the sciences, after all. China has an enormous advantage even if you take a very conservative view and discount their official sky-high scores to something closer resembling Japan, which is the weakest of the East Asian countries.

    China's problem isn't having sufficient brainpower. It always had that. It's self-sabotage, which we see with perpetual Zero-Covid policies today and many other examples in the past. Can China move past that pattern?

    2022 stands for release year, but the actual data is always lagged by one year, for obvious reasons.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms, @Lurker

    Looking at the Anglo world there seems a near endless supply of self-sabotage in the Current Year.

  224. It looks like Kremlins finally leaked their “peace” plan draft through their paid higher level propagandists in US:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/proposed-peace-plan-end-russo-ukrainian-war-203009

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Your shithole scumbag loser , alcoholic, suicide-addicted, POS-depopulating trashbucket dump of Litva is again on the suicide path with its illegal and idiotic rail blockade of Kaliningrad-mainland connection - but instead of focusing on that - yet another Baltic retard is fulfilling his TsIPSO full-time work.

    Why do us Russians resist car parking regulations about a million times more than Lithuanian scum resisted Tsarist and then Soviet Russian control for 200 years?

    Seriously WTF is it with you Baltic freaks taking over the entire Ukronazi info-operations?

    Replies: @sudden death

  225. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Speeches and promises of aid don't win wars. Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground. You think that will change, I think it is unlikely. It is not only the West that cannot afford to lose (or be seen as losing), Russia for existential reasons also cannot lose. This will be decided by blood and steel - do the math, and check out the geography.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch - mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today's Ukraine is Nazi-like.

    They hate Russians who live among them, they are planning to burn millions of Russian books...how is that not similar to Nazism? They build monuments to Bandera - a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer. This is a serious descend into reviving Nazi thinking. Not all by any means, but society seems to tolerate it. Europe will never accept that.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Greasy William

    German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others.

    This is false, the main goal of Nazism was always to destroy the Jews, regardless of geography, because International Jewry was seen as blocking German expansion and potentially even threatening the very existence of Germany itself. The people in eastern Europe were never regarded and inherently being a strategic threat; they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    There are two interesting aspects to German National Socialism.

    1) Strip German Jews of citizenship. Expel them.
    2) Strike East and exterminate the Slavs and level their cities into fields. Moscow and St Petersburg? Make em vanish.

    The British and French inexplicably took issue with these two agenda points and declared war on the Germans.


    Point 2 may have in fact been the core goal. Jewry was the side issue.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis
     
    You mean as far as the Germans were concerned? Why the substitution of one guy and his very-popular gang for the German nation that invaded the east and murdered 20 million people?

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but 'being in the wrong place at wrong time' takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh...isn't that kind of always what happens in a 'genocide'?

    You are skating very close to 'denying and justifying Nazi genocide'. I don't care, I am a free speech purist, but in some countries that is a crime. "Wrong-place, wrong-time, so we murder you"...you are also one very sick greasy puppy.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William

  226. @A123
    @Greasy William



    Nor, to expect Israel and Russia to be on opposite sides.
     
    Ezekiel clearly says that they will be on opposite sides.
     
    Really?

    -- Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term "Russia"?
    -- Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term "Israel"?
    -- Ezekiel, explicitly states "Israel will oppose Russia"?

    Your desperate Cope, is causing you to misstate a highly irrational & self serving interpretation as "fact".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William

    Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?

    No, but Magog obviously is a reference to Russia

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?

    um,.. yes?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?

    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future because I can’t imagine Turkey and Russia working that closely together right now, but these things can change and they can change rapidly: Turkey eventually leaving the Western orbit for a closer relationship with Russia is already clearly in the cards.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William



    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
     
    um,.. yes?
     
    Sorry. Got on a bit of a roll and did not consider that question carefully. My bad.

    Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future

     

    This part of your concept presents a plausible confrontation:
        • God and his son Jesus Christ, vs.
        • Satan/Allah/Lucifer and its spawn the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Iran is the most likely leader of Hordes of Hell. However, you are likely correct that Shia-Sunni animosity heads off an immediate assault.



    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?
     
    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies
     
    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AP

    , @S
    @Greasy William


    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel.
     
    In about 2006 a book was published in Russia entitled The Third Empire: Russia as it Ought to Be. It describes how in a future world war Russia will defeat the United States (and NATO) and obtain for itself a new global empire which is to include Israel.

    The United States has it's own similar book, The New Rome published in 1853, which describes how it will be the US which is to defeat Russia in a future world war, the US air force being the key to it's victory. [See link below]

    Regarding The Third Empire:


    ...and the Russian Empire, uniting Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, all of Europe and Greenland....The present advisor to president Putin, Alexander Dugin, states on the back-cover of the book: 'This is Russia that one should kill and die for’.
     
    https://bigthink.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/origin-230.jpg


    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/177-a-map-of-russias-third-empire-2053/

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/40/mode/2up

  227. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others.
     
    This is false, the main goal of Nazism was always to destroy the Jews, regardless of geography, because International Jewry was seen as blocking German expansion and potentially even threatening the very existence of Germany itself. The people in eastern Europe were never regarded and inherently being a strategic threat; they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    There are two interesting aspects to German National Socialism.

    1) Strip German Jews of citizenship. Expel them.
    2) Strike East and exterminate the Slavs and level their cities into fields. Moscow and St Petersburg? Make em vanish.

    The British and French inexplicably took issue with these two agenda points and declared war on the Germans.

    Point 2 may have in fact been the core goal. Jewry was the side issue.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    You ever read Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze? Best book on Nazi ideology and strategy ever written. Explains the logic behind a lot of German decisions that seem stupid or even insane. There truly was a brutal logic to all Nazi policies.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  228. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Kiev and the West talk a lot, but so far they are losing on the ground.
     
    Russia is gaining some land in Donbas, but the battler there is not over. I predict that the Ukrainian side will soon start retaing land, like they did in the Kyivan an Kharkiv areas. Kherson will also soon fall. The Ukrainian side has steadily been taking back villages all around Kherson.

    The identification of Nazism with only anti-semitism is wrong and a belated Western mental failure, one can say a gigantic lie. German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others. WWII was fought mainly to achieve this goal. Your but-Zelko-is-also-a-Jew argument is meaningless in deciding to what extent today’s Ukraine is Nazi-like.
     
    Russia actually fits the bill more of a Nazi state than Ukraine. Destroying everything in sight, killing and raping civilians. A dictator running an authoritarian state trying yo reestablish a Russian empire.

    They build monuments to Bandera – a bona-fide Nazi accomplice and murderer.
     
    Bandera never was a Nazi accomplice. If he was, he's the only one that I know of that was locked away in a German work camp for the bulk of the war. The OUN/UPA had many documented skirmishes with the Nazi's in Ukraine. You're mixing up th OUN/UPA with the SS Galizien, a separate military formation made-up mostly of Galicians under the supervision of the German military. Bandera was not involved with this formation.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Bandera was involved with butchering Poles though. maybe 100,000 of them. Who can blame him really?

    • LOL: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Although Bandera's faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved. The highest officer of this faction that I've been able to pinpoint responsible for these actions was Roman Shukhevych. Somewhere between 50 - 100 thousand Poles were liquidated or upwards of 10% of their entire population in these regions. It's interesting to note that other factions of OUN were against these actions. Also, interesting to note that so hated were the Polish colonizers of these area, that it appears that regular Ukrainian villagers also took part in these brutal uprisings, on their own unprovoked by the OUN(b).

    Replies: @Beckow

  229. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @A123


    Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?
     
    No, but Magog obviously is a reference to Russia

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
     
    um,.. yes?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?
     
    No, he says that Russia will lead it's allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn't seem likely to happen in the immediate future because I can't imagine Turkey and Russia working that closely together right now, but these things can change and they can change rapidly: Turkey eventually leaving the Western orbit for a closer relationship with Russia is already clearly in the cards.

    Replies: @A123, @S

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?

    um,.. yes?

    Sorry. Got on a bit of a roll and did not consider that question carefully. My bad.

    Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future

    This part of your concept presents a plausible confrontation:
        • God and his son Jesus Christ, vs.
        • Satan/Allah/Lucifer and its spawn the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Iran is the most likely leader of Hordes of Hell. However, you are likely correct that Shia-Sunni animosity heads off an immediate assault.

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?

    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies

    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @A123

    It sounds like you don't like Islam and Muslims very much


    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God
     
    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don't believe in any of that stuff.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    , @AP
    @A123


    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.
     
    Russia has closer ties to Iran than with Israel. Generally speaking, Russia is allied with Shia Muslims, USA with Sunni. Israel also favors Sunni.

    Russians generally like Muslims, Russians are one of the most pro-Muslim people in Europe:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/10/PG_10.15.19.europe.values-06-010.png?resize=310,672

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel; Israel is tied with Iran:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2020/09/30/attitudes-toward-countries-4/

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

  230. @sudden death
    It looks like Kremlins finally leaked their "peace" plan draft through their paid higher level propagandists in US:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/proposed-peace-plan-end-russo-ukrainian-war-203009

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    Your shithole scumbag loser , alcoholic, suicide-addicted, POS-depopulating trashbucket dump of Litva is again on the suicide path with its illegal and idiotic rail blockade of Kaliningrad-mainland connection – but instead of focusing on that – yet another Baltic retard is fulfilling his TsIPSO full-time work.

    Why do us Russians resist car parking regulations about a million times more than Lithuanian scum resisted Tsarist and then Soviet Russian control for 200 years?

    Seriously WTF is it with you Baltic freaks taking over the entire Ukronazi info-operations?

    • LOL: sudden death
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    ha ha, didn't like peace plan that much? Should instead direct your anger at great masterminds who planned and executed immaculate Z(h)operation, lol

    btw, your own mulatto Pushkin even had some poem written where Lithuanian resistance was mentioned, so at least it left more impression in your culture than domestic heroic resistance to car parking regulations ;)

  231. @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    There are two interesting aspects to German National Socialism.

    1) Strip German Jews of citizenship. Expel them.
    2) Strike East and exterminate the Slavs and level their cities into fields. Moscow and St Petersburg? Make em vanish.

    The British and French inexplicably took issue with these two agenda points and declared war on the Germans.


    Point 2 may have in fact been the core goal. Jewry was the side issue.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    You ever read Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze? Best book on Nazi ideology and strategy ever written. Explains the logic behind a lot of German decisions that seem stupid or even insane. There truly was a brutal logic to all Nazi policies.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Greasy William

    I read The Deluge, I probably read the wrong book.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  232. @A123
    @Greasy William



    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
     
    um,.. yes?
     
    Sorry. Got on a bit of a roll and did not consider that question carefully. My bad.

    Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future

     

    This part of your concept presents a plausible confrontation:
        • God and his son Jesus Christ, vs.
        • Satan/Allah/Lucifer and its spawn the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Iran is the most likely leader of Hordes of Hell. However, you are likely correct that Shia-Sunni animosity heads off an immediate assault.



    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?
     
    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies
     
    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AP

    It sounds like you don’t like Islam and Muslims very much

    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God

    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don’t believe in any of that stuff.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Greasy William


    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don’t believe in any of that stuff.
     
    He's already been brainwashed somehow into believing that Russian Orthodoxy sits on higher moral ground in relation to supporting this current war, and that their contraband selling Patriarch is a virtuous leader. His bizarreness here is unlimited. :-(
    , @A123
    @Greasy William

    Is it not obvious that the #1 threat to Christianity is SJW Islam.

    When you look at Ilhan Omar & Rashida Tlaib, the key leaders of Muslim politics in America, you see the true enmity of "Woke Muslim" beliefs towards traditional Christian values. Why should these enemies of God be permitted in America?

    This is also true in Europe. Muslim invaders are brought to desecrate Christian lands on ships such as Sea Watch 4.

     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_iZ-C7cdJ98/YHGaUpvkHRI/AAAAAAAAGLo/clpVoF7uSx8hUxYpkOsauif6Ps-LMyFfwCLcBGAsYHQ/s16000/Evangelic%2BChurch%2BGermany%2BAntifa%2Bpeople%2Bsmugglers.jpg
     

    Notice that the Jihadist vessel bringing invaders is bedecked with the Rainbow and Antifa flags. How much more in obvious can SJW Islam be about their intentions and values. IslamoGloboHomo must be opposed.

    PEACE 😇

  233. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    Bandera was involved with butchering Poles though. maybe 100,000 of them. Who can blame him really?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Although Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved. The highest officer of this faction that I’ve been able to pinpoint responsible for these actions was Roman Shukhevych. Somewhere between 50 – 100 thousand Poles were liquidated or upwards of 10% of their entire population in these regions. It’s interesting to note that other factions of OUN were against these actions. Also, interesting to note that so hated were the Polish colonizers of these area, that it appears that regular Ukrainian villagers also took part in these brutal uprisings, on their own unprovoked by the OUN(b).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved.
     
    Sweet, well then it's all right. Did Bandera write a disapproving letter to his faction? You, damn subordinates, why are you murdering the hated colonizers?

    It is interesting - as you helpfully point out - that some other factions were against. I suppose there were a few German Nazis who were not fully on-board with murdering 20 million people in the east. And not murdering, they were in your words: 'liquidated". What is that? like too much inventory, so they "liquidated" it?

    Shukhevych is also venerated in Kiev - we usually skip him because of his longer name. And since the Ukie villagers joined in, you may call it a 'people war'. Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians. Poles know who they are supposed to hate, damn the details. It was the 'Moskali', had to be. And Bandera disapproved.

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs - you can play a game with AP and German_reader of 'spot the Swedish guys!' - because as they were 'liquidating' the locals - who were also probably 'hated colonizers' - there were Swedes among them!

    There you go, and maybe some SS guys also 'disapproved'. Quietly, of course. But you and your latter-day Nazi-sympathizing column knows that they did. Or is it the kill-the-Russians column? I am not sometimes, you guys move back and forward seemlessly.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  234. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Your shithole scumbag loser , alcoholic, suicide-addicted, POS-depopulating trashbucket dump of Litva is again on the suicide path with its illegal and idiotic rail blockade of Kaliningrad-mainland connection - but instead of focusing on that - yet another Baltic retard is fulfilling his TsIPSO full-time work.

    Why do us Russians resist car parking regulations about a million times more than Lithuanian scum resisted Tsarist and then Soviet Russian control for 200 years?

    Seriously WTF is it with you Baltic freaks taking over the entire Ukronazi info-operations?

    Replies: @sudden death

    ha ha, didn’t like peace plan that much? Should instead direct your anger at great masterminds who planned and executed immaculate Z(h)operation, lol

    btw, your own mulatto Pushkin even had some poem written where Lithuanian resistance was mentioned, so at least it left more impression in your culture than domestic heroic resistance to car parking regulations 😉

  235. @Greasy William
    @A123

    It sounds like you don't like Islam and Muslims very much


    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God
     
    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don't believe in any of that stuff.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don’t believe in any of that stuff.

    He’s already been brainwashed somehow into believing that Russian Orthodoxy sits on higher moral ground in relation to supporting this current war, and that their contraband selling Patriarch is a virtuous leader. His bizarreness here is unlimited. 🙁

  236. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Hi, chimpanzee.

    Shall we continue?


    The Standard Progressive Matrices test is an IQ test. There are more IQ tests than only the Wechsler test.
     
    Thank you sweetheart, for this valuable information. You are very helpful. And very cute.

    Now listen to me.

    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale. The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years and has become a standard for measuring intelligence, because no other test does it better. WAIS is the most widespread IQ test in the world.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn't mean that these results correlate and can be compared. One is a serious and comprehensive examination for adult people, the other is a childish game.

    As for the PISA test it's more or less acceptable as a comparison and there is a correlation between the two however it's not the same either – it was designed for school students, and contains mathematics, science and reading, but no logic and reasoning, though some questions require logical thinking.

    This test isn't bad as long as a person remembers what he has been taught. A lot of people of course begin to forget most of that soon enough after finishing the school, so if we are talking about 8-grade children we can use it, but it isn't as useful when we are talking about adult people, as the WAIS test.

    You should take this test, because you need to get grounded. Your self-importance is comical.

    Take the test.


    If you trust the 103.2 you cannot disregard the 96.5. You will do so, of course, because you are fundamentally dishonest.
     
    No we can and should disregard it, because it shouldn't be that much lower, considering that 103.2 was obtained from a sample of children in a provincial town.

    The quotation didn't feature information, explaining where the 96.5 score comes from. Perhaps a bunch of villages.

    The children of professionals in an urban environment are bond to be smarter than the average.
     
    Yes, if the average is not the children of professionals in an urban environment as well, which it is – in Russia, 75 percent of population lives in an urban environment. The population of rural areas is about 35 million, the population of big cities is about the same.

    High scoring Russians from the big cities compensate for the low scores of the peasants.

    Russia ranks fourth in the world for the number of cities with populations over a million people. There are fifteen such cities, with the sum total of population about 33.5 million people, and more than a half of them live in Moscow and St Petersburg.

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.
     
    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what's the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there's no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it's not 101.2, it's 101.12, a digit didn't click – mechanical error.

    Mari and Udmurts are much closer to the Volga than are Nenets.
     
    And it doesn't mean anything.

    Chuvash and Tatar people are Turkic, Udmurt and Mari people are Finnic. Chuvash and Tatar people are less homogeneous, Udmurt and Mari are more homogeneous.

    56 percent of Udmurt people belong to haplogroup N3 and 28 to N2, 50 percent of Mari belong to N3 and 30 percent of Chuvash and Tatar people belong to some other subclades – it doesn't really mean anything.

    The fact is, Turkic and Finnic peoples don't mix.

    Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”
     
    So what's the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.

    Dumbass.

    Replies: @AP

    Hi Sharikov, let’s examine more of your lies and ignorance:

    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.

    By they, you mean ignorant Sharikovs such as you.

    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones. Raven’s is the most commonly used of the nonverbal ones. As such, it is the IQ test used most often in international comparative studies, because it’s norms are more universal. The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same, whereas people use the exact same items across countries on the nonverbal Standard Progressive Matrices test.

    The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years

    Standard Progressive Matrices has been used since 1936.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.

    Sharikov is dumb.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test; indeed is has more of such tasks. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn’t mean that these results correlate and can be compared.

    Of course they correlate and can be compared, liar Sharikov. Example:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what’s the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there’s no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it’s not 101.2, it’s 101.12, a digit didn’t click – mechanical error.

    Sharikov keeps ignoring the explanation of his dishonesty. Here is goes, again:

    Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia because the outlier smart Muscovites are double the percentage of your sample than they are of the general Russian population.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    [MORE]

    “Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So what’s the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.

    Sharikov was caught lying so he doubles down.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place. Your house (even if you rent it, or it belongs to your parents), your apartment (even if you don’t own it). “Come to my house for a party.” “I miss my old apartment.” Etc.

    You lied and you got caught in your lie. One shouldn’t lie anywhere, but on Unz it’s easy to search comments and expose liars such as you. Here are your lying words, you subhuman product of Soviet overlords:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5404546

    AP: ““When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.”

    Actual words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya”

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    You are in a bad mood again, baby.

    https://i.postimg.cc/XYNtFcZJ/Poop-throwing-ape.jpg

    Submit your home address, I'll send you a banana.


    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones.
     
    Yes.

    However a nonverbal test doesn't examine intelligence, it does logic alone. Someone can be good at logic and retarded in other areas. For this reason the Wechsler test is considered the standard.

    Even though it is limited as well but not as much as others.

    Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale IV (WAIS IV): Return of the Gold Standard
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09084280802644466

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.
     
    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn't be able to translate from one to another.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.
     
    Perhaps not for children, it's a figure of speech. Can be used for children to be precise, whereas WAIS cannot.

    "A significant correlation was found between WAIS and RPM scores in patients with psychosis."

    Excellent reference – people with mental disorders.

    "The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) is con-sidered the most reliable and commonly used intelligence test."

    You should have quoted this instead.

    Here is goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.
     
    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points, Zabaykalsky Krai with 90.5, Mari El with 92.3, Yakutia with 92.5, Irkutsk Oblast – 92.9, Kabardino-Balkaria – 93.1, Stavropol Krai – 93.2, Adygea with 93.4 points.

    These are outliers, and the number of people in these regions is the same as the population of Moscow.

    So the national average is not a good point of reference in this case.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.
     
    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won't you?

    Let's count it again.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow's population we get the score of 100.4, omitting 50 percent of St Petersburg we get 100.2, but now we have reduced the sample size to 42 149 023 people, and three low scoring regions in it now are becoming disproportionate as well.

    Kaluga – 94.0, Kemerovo – 95.9, Kursk – 97.1, in sum 4 513 803 people, who are now making more than 10 percent of our sample. So since we are making these corrections the same should be applied to them, and that will bring us back to 100.4, or precisely to 100.37, it looks like a fair number to me.

    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.

    Consider this, if you were asked what is most likely the Russian score in 2022, would you base your estimation on the old data, or you would take it into account, thinking it may be higher than before? What would you do if you were told that you will get a bunch of bananas, if you answer close enough?

    You would probably count the number of points gained in those last ten years, and that's 4.05, 0.405 for a year so for the last six years, highly likely, the score might have grown in 2.43 points, making it – for me, 102.8, and it seems to be the best bet.

    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place.
     
    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you're not coming back. And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours, you idiot.

    My misquoting your words wasn't in quotation marks so it didn't misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family. "Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat" – why not, it's our flat, it's there, we can return when we want to.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it's that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.

    Denying a part of your family history isn't good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.

    Replies: @AP

  237. @Sean
    @A123

    It matters who stands behind a bank though. The French need the Germans for that. Hence the election of Macron, who was a banker.


    Apr 16, 2018 German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz said EU reforms proposed by French President Emmanuel Macron should be addressed before European elections next year, [...] France has been pressing Germany and other European countries to stop holding up tough decisions about the euro zone’s banking and capital market regulations. Regarding reforms proposed by Macron, he said Germany wanted to expand the European Stability Mechanism i... there were “hard nuts to crack” with regard to a proposed banking union, including the high level of non-performing loans in some countries. Asked about Macron’s proposal for a European budget and a European finance minister, Scholz said: “These ideas are bringing new momentum into the European project that we need....
     
    Germans planned to get Britain to pay for it, then came Brexit. Now the French will have to make even more raids on Germany's wealth.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Gold Star to Sean for ferreting out this piece.
    However, this was after the Brexit vote. Although attempts at Banking Union had been initiated from 2012, actual progress has been quite limited.

    As of mid-2020, the Banking union of the European Union mainly consists of two main initiatives, the Single Supervisory Mechanism and Single Resolution Mechanism, which are based upon the EU’s “single rulebook” or common financial regulatory framework.

    Until October 2020, the geographical scope of the Banking Union was identical to that of the euro area. Other non-euro member states of the EU may join the Banking Union under a procedure known as close cooperation. Bulgaria and Croatia initiated requests for close cooperation, respectively in July 2018 and May 2019. Following a formal approval of these requests in June 2020, the European Central Bank started supervising the larger Bulgarian and Croatian banks on 1 October 2020

    So apart from minnows Croatia and Bulgaria, there has been no rush from other non-Euro states. Given the limited progress, it’s obvious Germany and other countries are still blocking full Union.

    Even so, under previous conditions, full Union would have still been very affordable for Germany. In 2019, Germany had the highest trade surplus ( as % of GDP ) ever recorded, $290 bn – 8.3% of GDP. The previous best was 1916, when America achieved 6.7% of GDP – obviously due to the peculiar conditions of WWI.

    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany’s trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany’s trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.

    This indicates how lucrative the Euro scam has been for Germany – and they threw it all away for Ukraine, the poorest, most corrupt country in Europe. What morons !

    • Replies: @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany’s trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany’s trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.
     
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail. Economic dislocations will build up due to currency flows, and the only way to avoid unhealthy concentration of wealth is fiscal policy.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited. That Croatia and Bulgaria were willing to sign up to this follow with the intent of joining the full EZ shows what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  238. AP says:
    @A123
    @Greasy William



    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
     
    um,.. yes?
     
    Sorry. Got on a bit of a roll and did not consider that question carefully. My bad.

    Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn’t seem likely to happen in the immediate future

     

    This part of your concept presents a plausible confrontation:
        • God and his son Jesus Christ, vs.
        • Satan/Allah/Lucifer and its spawn the Anti-Christ Muhammad

    Iran is the most likely leader of Hordes of Hell. However, you are likely correct that Shia-Sunni animosity heads off an immediate assault.



    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?
     
    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies
     
    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Greasy William, @AP

    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.

    Russia has closer ties to Iran than with Israel. Generally speaking, Russia is allied with Shia Muslims, USA with Sunni. Israel also favors Sunni.

    Russians generally like Muslims, Russians are one of the most pro-Muslim people in Europe:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/10/PG_10.15.19.europe.values-06-010.png?resize=310,672

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel; Israel is tied with Iran:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2020/09/30/attitudes-toward-countries-4/

    • Agree: Greasy William
    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @AP

    Also, if you know anything about how Russia works, public opinion is very top down. The government tells people what they should and shouldn't support and the people go along with it.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @A123
    @AP


    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel
     
    Russians see the country where they have a military presence as an ally?

    So it ain't so....

    That is unheard of.... Close allies have military support for each other.... WOWZERS... That is a break thru in understanding of geopolitical behaviour that is unique... You are the first person to ever notice that...

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://media.tenor.com/images/44894c8632e5e4ef1e9d812d23bd0b4c/tenor.gif
  239. @AP
    @A123


    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.
     
    Russia has closer ties to Iran than with Israel. Generally speaking, Russia is allied with Shia Muslims, USA with Sunni. Israel also favors Sunni.

    Russians generally like Muslims, Russians are one of the most pro-Muslim people in Europe:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/10/PG_10.15.19.europe.values-06-010.png?resize=310,672

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel; Israel is tied with Iran:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2020/09/30/attitudes-toward-countries-4/

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    Also, if you know anything about how Russia works, public opinion is very top down. The government tells people what they should and shouldn’t support and the people go along with it.

    • LOL: acementhead
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Greasy William

    Sounds like the British, more or less. And the Germans... Mediterranean peoples kick over the traces a bit more, in my experience.

  240. @A123
    @AP


    Most Israelis have a negative view of Russia and like Biden more than Putin or any other world leader:
     
    Two huge problems with your ludicrous attempt at misdirection.

    -1- How many of these Israelis are observant Jews? Due to well known mistakes by prior far-left Israeli governments, there is a significant count of non-Jewish Israelis. Plus, some portion of the theoretically Jewish population is actually non-Jewish secular.

    -2- There is a huge difference between military support for Ukraine (my point), and your attempt at trickery by presenting generic numbers about Russia & Putin.

    It is self evident that you have nothing on point, which is why you are engaged in such feeble and obvious disinformation. Your refusal to present information on views about Zelensky is unequivocal evidence of malfeasance.
    ___

    Here is some advice you should take to heart:
        • Stop smoking the Copium.
        • Deal with the reality that your Ukies are losing.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So now you’re accusing AP of being some sort of a public official involved with unlawful activity?

    Your kremlinstooge act is causing you to look at best as bizarre and at worst as unhinged. Get a grip on man before you start chewing on the carpet.

    malfeasance:
    Intentional conduct that is wrongful or unlawful, especially by officials or public employees.

    Here’s an example of real malfeasance. Can you spot the two top culprits? Concentrate real hard, I’m sure that you can do it:

  241. @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    It’s like he’s trying to decapitate his own army.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falaise_pocket


    When the allies landed in Normandy I think OKW Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”

    Replies: @Beckow, @Wielgus

    Giving up Donbass is politically unacceptable although militarily wise. Zelensky’s regime rests on shallow foundations.

  242. sher singh says:
    @LondonBob
    @songbird

    Just look in to what the Chinese did to end 'Chocolate City', where there is a will repatriation is very easy. I still see some sort of Spanish style expulsion being the end result in Europe.

    Replies: @S, @sher singh

    Those homogenous European states you cherish are themselves a result of events like the Holocaust.
    So I don’t know why you hold them as some historic inevitability or norm.

    I think there are enough Leftists, race/class traitors in the confines of the European continent to delay such a thing for a long time||

    Just my opinion .2c

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sher singh

    https://www.ihr.org/

  243. S says:
    @Greasy William
    @A123


    Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Russia”?
     
    No, but Magog obviously is a reference to Russia

    — Ezekiel, explicitly uses the term “Israel”?
     
    um,.. yes?

    — Ezekiel, explicitly states “Israel will oppose Russia”?
     
    No, he says that Russia will lead it's allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel. It doesn't seem likely to happen in the immediate future because I can't imagine Turkey and Russia working that closely together right now, but these things can change and they can change rapidly: Turkey eventually leaving the Western orbit for a closer relationship with Russia is already clearly in the cards.

    Replies: @A123, @S

    No, he says that Russia will lead it’s allies (Turkey and Iran being the main ones) on an unprovoked attack against Israel.

    In about 2006 a book was published in Russia entitled The Third Empire: Russia as it Ought to Be. It describes how in a future world war Russia will defeat the United States (and NATO) and obtain for itself a new global empire which is to include Israel.

    The United States has it’s own similar book, The New Rome published in 1853, which describes how it will be the US which is to defeat Russia in a future world war, the US air force being the key to it’s victory. [See link below]

    Regarding The Third Empire:

    …and the Russian Empire, uniting Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, Jordan, all of Europe and Greenland….The present advisor to president Putin, Alexander Dugin, states on the back-cover of the book: ‘This is Russia that one should kill and die for’.

    https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/177-a-map-of-russias-third-empire-2053/

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/40/mode/2up

  244. @Beckow
    @Wokechoke


    ....Keitel asked Marshall Rundstedt what could be done to help and the soldier said “surrender you fucking fool!”
     
    The word surrender has become politically unacceptable in a pumped-up PR age. In the past, honor kept people from surrendering, but life was cheap anyway.

    This willful self-massacre in Donbas is not honorable. It is a peculiar form of not-very-smart fools climbing up a tree, up and sideways, on ever smaller and thinner branches. At the end, with no way out, they will have to saw off the last branch they are desperately clinging to. Or somebody will do it for them.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Surrender was always the honourable path after a sufficient period resistance had passed.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @LondonBob

    Some cultures however had no real concept of taking prisoners of war. Even in the European feudal age, prisoners were people of knightly or higher rank who might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed - skeletons excavated near the Towton battlefield of 1461 in England show signs of having been killed after capture.

    Replies: @Beckow

  245. @sher singh
    @LondonBob

    Those homogenous European states you cherish are themselves a result of events like the Holocaust.
    So I don't know why you hold them as some historic inevitability or norm.

    I think there are enough Leftists, race/class traitors in the confines of the European continent to delay such a thing for a long time||

    Just my opinion .2c

    Replies: @LondonBob

  246. @LondonBob
    @Beckow

    Surrender was always the honourable path after a sufficient period resistance had passed.



    https://youtu.be/xWsVZuxoLIQ

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Some cultures however had no real concept of taking prisoners of war. Even in the European feudal age, prisoners were people of knightly or higher rank who might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed – skeletons excavated near the Towton battlefield of 1461 in England show signs of having been killed after capture.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus


    ...people of higher rank might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed
     
    A lot of feudal warfare was a search for ransom-able hostages. Some British fortunes can be traced to the French gold paid during the 100-year-War to get back French nobles. There were counter cases: Ottomans often killed the higher ranks and recruited the inferiors as soldiers.

    In ancient Egypt it was the pharaoh ('man in the big house') who sometimes personally dispatched the POW's as public entertainment.

    Fight-flee-surrender should be a rational decision: Kiev claims to have 600k soldiers and is planning to recruit 250k more. They are facing around 200k Russians - of those 60-100k are Donbas militias. Kiev has 3-1 advantage in numbers, yet they are slowly losing. The large numbers of Ukie POWs and the frequent surrenders suggest that low morale is one of the reasons.

    Maybe enough Ukie soldiers have above 90 IQ and can judge the odds. Surrender is often the most rational decision - it helps the soldier and also Ukraine in the long run. But it pisses off the theatre-oligarchic government in Kiev and their blood-thirsty Western sponsors. They demand sacrifices they are not willing to do themselves. Very democratic. They would be right at home in Europe, if anyone would let them in.

  247. @Greasy William
    @AP

    Also, if you know anything about how Russia works, public opinion is very top down. The government tells people what they should and shouldn't support and the people go along with it.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Sounds like the British, more or less. And the Germans… Mediterranean peoples kick over the traces a bit more, in my experience.

  248. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @A123


    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God, rather than Satan and the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is no reason to believe otherwise.
     
    Russia has closer ties to Iran than with Israel. Generally speaking, Russia is allied with Shia Muslims, USA with Sunni. Israel also favors Sunni.

    Russians generally like Muslims, Russians are one of the most pro-Muslim people in Europe:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/global/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/10/PG_10.15.19.europe.values-06-010.png?resize=310,672

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel; Israel is tied with Iran:

    https://www.levada.ru/en/2020/09/30/attitudes-toward-countries-4/

    Replies: @Greasy William, @A123

    Russians see Syria as a much closer ally than Israel

    Russians see the country where they have a military presence as an ally?

    So it ain’t so….

    That is unheard of…. Close allies have military support for each other…. WOWZERS… That is a break thru in understanding of geopolitical behaviour that is unique… You are the first person to ever notice that…

    PEACE 😇

     

  249. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @A123

    It sounds like you don't like Islam and Muslims very much


    Orthodox Christian Russia would ally with Israel and God
     
    You ever talk to any Russians? They are a very irreligious people. I guarantee you that Putin and the people around him don't believe in any of that stuff.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Is it not obvious that the #1 threat to Christianity is SJW Islam.

    When you look at Ilhan Omar & Rashida Tlaib, the key leaders of Muslim politics in America, you see the true enmity of “Woke Muslim” beliefs towards traditional Christian values. Why should these enemies of God be permitted in America?

    This is also true in Europe. Muslim invaders are brought to desecrate Christian lands on ships such as Sea Watch 4.

      

    Notice that the Jihadist vessel bringing invaders is bedecked with the Rainbow and Antifa flags. How much more in obvious can SJW Islam be about their intentions and values. IslamoGloboHomo must be opposed.

    PEACE 😇

  250. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @Sean

    Gold Star to Sean for ferreting out this piece.
    However, this was after the Brexit vote. Although attempts at Banking Union had been initiated from 2012, actual progress has been quite limited.

    As of mid-2020, the Banking union of the European Union mainly consists of two main initiatives, the Single Supervisory Mechanism and Single Resolution Mechanism, which are based upon the EU's "single rulebook" or common financial regulatory framework.

    Until October 2020, the geographical scope of the Banking Union was identical to that of the euro area. Other non-euro member states of the EU may join the Banking Union under a procedure known as close cooperation. Bulgaria and Croatia initiated requests for close cooperation, respectively in July 2018 and May 2019. Following a formal approval of these requests in June 2020, the European Central Bank started supervising the larger Bulgarian and Croatian banks on 1 October 2020


    So apart from minnows Croatia and Bulgaria, there has been no rush from other non-Euro states. Given the limited progress, it's obvious Germany and other countries are still blocking full Union.

    Even so, under previous conditions, full Union would have still been very affordable for Germany. In 2019, Germany had the highest trade surplus ( as % of GDP ) ever recorded, $290 bn - 8.3% of GDP. The previous best was 1916, when America achieved 6.7% of GDP - obviously due to the peculiar conditions of WWI.

    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany's trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany's trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.

    This indicates how lucrative the Euro scam has been for Germany - and they threw it all away for Ukraine, the poorest, most corrupt country in Europe. What morons !

    Replies: @A123

    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany’s trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany’s trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.

    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail. Economic dislocations will build up due to currency flows, and the only way to avoid unhealthy concentration of wealth is fiscal policy.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited. That Croatia and Bulgaria were willing to sign up to this follow with the intent of joining the full EZ shows what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail.

    A currency is an attribute of a State. For it to work, there must be complete politcal, economic and fiscal union. As the units won't do this, it is bound to fail.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It's not the countries, it's the political class. These countries receive massive amounts in EU net subsidies - Poland, for example, gets 20 bn Euros in subsidies a year - but, of course, it isn't remotely enough to recompense for what Germany and France extract from these countries. However, massive amounts of these subsidies end up greasing the palms of the political class. Obviously, they don't want this to end, ever.

    what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted. But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

  251. The Nonce and Future King of Jamaica would be a good title for Andrew, were it not more appropriate to exile William there.

  252. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    Although Bandera's faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved. The highest officer of this faction that I've been able to pinpoint responsible for these actions was Roman Shukhevych. Somewhere between 50 - 100 thousand Poles were liquidated or upwards of 10% of their entire population in these regions. It's interesting to note that other factions of OUN were against these actions. Also, interesting to note that so hated were the Polish colonizers of these area, that it appears that regular Ukrainian villagers also took part in these brutal uprisings, on their own unprovoked by the OUN(b).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved.

    Sweet, well then it’s all right. Did Bandera write a disapproving letter to his faction? You, damn subordinates, why are you murdering the hated colonizers?

    It is interesting – as you helpfully point out – that some other factions were against. I suppose there were a few German Nazis who were not fully on-board with murdering 20 million people in the east. And not murdering, they were in your words: ‘liquidated“. What is that? like too much inventory, so they “liquidated” it?

    Shukhevych is also venerated in Kiev – we usually skip him because of his longer name. And since the Ukie villagers joined in, you may call it a ‘people war’. Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians. Poles know who they are supposed to hate, damn the details. It was the ‘Moskali’, had to be. And Bandera disapproved.

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!

    There you go, and maybe some SS guys also ‘disapproved’. Quietly, of course. But you and your latter-day Nazi-sympathizing column knows that they did. Or is it the kill-the-Russians column? I am not sometimes, you guys move back and forward seemlessly.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike.
     
    I provide a factual analysis of what happened and you go hysterical. My own grandfather was a Pole who lived just slightly east of where the "liquidations" took place. According to the OUN(b) playbook, had I been alive and lived in the area during that era both he and I would have both met the grim reaper's end, so I've not dowplayed anything here. Just pointing out the facts.

    Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians.
     
    Another gem that you pulled out of your ass?

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!
     
    Yeah, I "downplayed" it so much that I bring it up with some details too. Don't know anything at all about the Swedes that were pleasure riding with the Germans around St. Petersburg. Good to see that your ranting and imagination skills are so easily provoked by so little, all of which was accurate and truthful. But I'll leave you with one serious thought to consider:

    If the Ukrainians were so merciless and vindictive with the Polish colonisers in the West of their country, who surely were not nearly as destructive as the Russian ones destroying Eastern Ukraine (and Central Ukraine too), think of what's in store for the murderous butchers and vandals sent from Moscow today? The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    , @AP
    @Beckow

    Friendly reminder that Beckow’s country was an ally of Nazi Germany and contributed more soldiers to the German cause than any of the places he listed, such as Norway or Western Ukraine. His county even paid the Nazis to transport and kill their Jews. I don’t think any other country did that, but could be wrong. Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

  253. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    German Nazism was about a lot more: its main stated goal was to destroy the Eastern European untermensch – mostly Slavs, Jews, Gypsies and some others.
     
    This is false, the main goal of Nazism was always to destroy the Jews, regardless of geography, because International Jewry was seen as blocking German expansion and potentially even threatening the very existence of Germany itself. The people in eastern Europe were never regarded and inherently being a strategic threat; they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis were concerned.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    …they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis

    You mean as far as the Germans were concerned? Why the substitution of one guy and his very-popular gang for the German nation that invaded the east and murdered 20 million people?

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but ‘being in the wrong place at wrong time’ takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh…isn’t that kind of always what happens in a ‘genocide’?

    You are skating very close to ‘denying and justifying Nazi genocide‘. I don’t care, I am a free speech purist, but in some countries that is a crime. “Wrong-place, wrong-time, so we murder you“…you are also one very sick greasy puppy.

    • LOL: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you
     
    Greasy William is Jewish.
    You're really like a broken record, it doesn't seem to matter at all who your interlocutor is or what he's actually writing.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but ‘being in the wrong place at wrong time’ takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh…isn’t that kind of always what happens in a ‘genocide’?
     
    The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat to the German nation. He was very clear about this both in public and private over the course of his entire political career. He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia. A true case of "nothing personal, just business".

    Replies: @Beckow

  254. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved.
     
    Sweet, well then it's all right. Did Bandera write a disapproving letter to his faction? You, damn subordinates, why are you murdering the hated colonizers?

    It is interesting - as you helpfully point out - that some other factions were against. I suppose there were a few German Nazis who were not fully on-board with murdering 20 million people in the east. And not murdering, they were in your words: 'liquidated". What is that? like too much inventory, so they "liquidated" it?

    Shukhevych is also venerated in Kiev - we usually skip him because of his longer name. And since the Ukie villagers joined in, you may call it a 'people war'. Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians. Poles know who they are supposed to hate, damn the details. It was the 'Moskali', had to be. And Bandera disapproved.

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs - you can play a game with AP and German_reader of 'spot the Swedish guys!' - because as they were 'liquidating' the locals - who were also probably 'hated colonizers' - there were Swedes among them!

    There you go, and maybe some SS guys also 'disapproved'. Quietly, of course. But you and your latter-day Nazi-sympathizing column knows that they did. Or is it the kill-the-Russians column? I am not sometimes, you guys move back and forward seemlessly.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike.

    I provide a factual analysis of what happened and you go hysterical. My own grandfather was a Pole who lived just slightly east of where the “liquidations” took place. According to the OUN(b) playbook, had I been alive and lived in the area during that era both he and I would have both met the grim reaper’s end, so I’ve not dowplayed anything here. Just pointing out the facts.

    Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians.

    Another gem that you pulled out of your ass?

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!

    Yeah, I “downplayed” it so much that I bring it up with some details too. Don’t know anything at all about the Swedes that were pleasure riding with the Germans around St. Petersburg. Good to see that your ranting and imagination skills are so easily provoked by so little, all of which was accurate and truthful. But I’ll leave you with one serious thought to consider:

    If the Ukrainians were so merciless and vindictive with the Polish colonisers in the West of their country, who surely were not nearly as destructive as the Russian ones destroying Eastern Ukraine (and Central Ukraine too), think of what’s in store for the murderous butchers and vandals sent from Moscow today? The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Just pointing out the facts.
     
    I gave you credit for that. I pointed out that some of what you wrote - Bandera disapproval, Shushkevich also being venerated by Kiev - didn't make much sense.

    ...Another gem
     
    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII - not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The 'also' could be quietly dropped in the future - we are now dealing with real hatreds. Give it some time and it will be "Moskali had to be behind Volyn massacres'. Poles already officially blame Russia for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising - it is in their blood.

    We see here on Unz that there are a lot of stupid people and quite a few quiet Nazi-sympathisers. You are not that far with your selective terms that I critisised: 'liquidate', 'hated colonizers', "disapproval', "angry villagers"... a bit cagey.

    But, my bad, I will drop your from the "spot the Swedish guy in a Norwegian SS Division" game. You are all right.


    The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.
     
    Well, somebody will. I wouldn't threaten others when losing in a war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.
     
    Establishment Poles use Ukrainians as pawns for the former's perceptions. In turn, a growing number of Ukrainians might very well see what a fraud the Zelensky starred Kiev regime is.

    Shifting gears a bit, from the GGs (Good Greeks).

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/
  255. @Wielgus
    @LondonBob

    Some cultures however had no real concept of taking prisoners of war. Even in the European feudal age, prisoners were people of knightly or higher rank who might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed - skeletons excavated near the Towton battlefield of 1461 in England show signs of having been killed after capture.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …people of higher rank might be ransomed. Their social inferiors were simply killed

    A lot of feudal warfare was a search for ransom-able hostages. Some British fortunes can be traced to the French gold paid during the 100-year-War to get back French nobles. There were counter cases: Ottomans often killed the higher ranks and recruited the inferiors as soldiers.

    In ancient Egypt it was the pharaoh (‘man in the big house‘) who sometimes personally dispatched the POW’s as public entertainment.

    Fight-flee-surrender should be a rational decision: Kiev claims to have 600k soldiers and is planning to recruit 250k more. They are facing around 200k Russians – of those 60-100k are Donbas militias. Kiev has 3-1 advantage in numbers, yet they are slowly losing. The large numbers of Ukie POWs and the frequent surrenders suggest that low morale is one of the reasons.

    Maybe enough Ukie soldiers have above 90 IQ and can judge the odds. Surrender is often the most rational decision – it helps the soldier and also Ukraine in the long run. But it pisses off the theatre-oligarchic government in Kiev and their blood-thirsty Western sponsors. They demand sacrifices they are not willing to do themselves. Very democratic. They would be right at home in Europe, if anyone would let them in.

  256. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis
     
    You mean as far as the Germans were concerned? Why the substitution of one guy and his very-popular gang for the German nation that invaded the east and murdered 20 million people?

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but 'being in the wrong place at wrong time' takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh...isn't that kind of always what happens in a 'genocide'?

    You are skating very close to 'denying and justifying Nazi genocide'. I don't care, I am a free speech purist, but in some countries that is a crime. "Wrong-place, wrong-time, so we murder you"...you are also one very sick greasy puppy.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you

    Greasy William is Jewish.
    You’re really like a broken record, it doesn’t seem to matter at all who your interlocutor is or what he’s actually writing.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    Greasy William is Jewish
     
    Why does it make a difference? Zelko is also Jewish and a bit wobbly currently on the whole 'Nazi-WWII' thing.

    The Grease-bag denied the German genocide of Slavs in the east, so I corrected him. Nothing broken about it.

    Replies: @German_reader

  257. @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    It is widely suspected that the German Govt hid the true extent of Germany’s trade surplus in 2019. Many believe it was over 10% of GDP. Every year from 2011-19, Germany’s trade surplus was over 5% of GDP. Many also believe the true extent of these surpluses were also hidden.
     
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail. Economic dislocations will build up due to currency flows, and the only way to avoid unhealthy concentration of wealth is fiscal policy.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited. That Croatia and Bulgaria were willing to sign up to this follow with the intent of joining the full EZ shows what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    You say:
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail.

    A currency is an attribute of a State. For it to work, there must be complete politcal, economic and fiscal union. As the units won’t do this, it is bound to fail.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It’s not the countries, it’s the political class. These countries receive massive amounts in EU net subsidies – Poland, for example, gets 20 bn Euros in subsidies a year – but, of course, it isn’t remotely enough to recompense for what Germany and France extract from these countries. However, massive amounts of these subsidies end up greasing the palms of the political class. Obviously, they don’t want this to end, ever.

    what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted. But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    But please enlighten on Khamenei.
     
    It is irrefutable, proven fact that Khamenei abrogated JCPOA while Obama was still in office. The deal was already dead before Trump was sworn in. This is a religious leader who violated his own religious edict. Hypocrisy!

    Khamenei is willing to abuse his own citizens in multiple ways. (1)


    For the past two weeks in Iran a large number of people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have been protesting in more than 100 cities to vent their anger against a system that they consider to be corrupt, incompetent and oppressive. The movement was triggered by the collapse of a tall building in Abadan, which claimed dozens of lives. For the first time, some protesters there started chanting "Down with Khamenei", targeting Iran's "Supreme Guide". Pictured: The collapsed building in Abadan, on May 23, 2022. (Photo by Tasnim News/AFP via Getty Images)
     
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/pics/2742.jpg

    In the past decade, Iran has witnessed at least three major nationwide uprisings that shook the regime but led to no major change of direction. In every case, the regime succeeded in reasserting its control with a mixture of bribes and brutality, while taking advantage of the fact that the protests did not produce a coherent opposition leadership at the national level.
     
    The folly of excessive spending on foreign violence, notably Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria has come home to roost. The Iranian people want change.

    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE's is ending Khamenei's senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18585/iran-summer-discontent

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Sean
    @Verymuchalive


    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted.
     
    In 2019, by which time 13, 000 had died and well over a million had fled the region including hundreds of thousands to the RF, Zelensky agreed to the deal brokered by France and Germany, whereby the people of the ‘so called’ Donetsk People’s Republic' could have elections with international observers) without the Russian Federation troops withdrawing. In return Zelensky/ Ukraine would recognize those elections and the special status of the region, but the man Zelensky defeated ex President Petro Poroshenko (orchestrator of the mass demos that brought about the overthrow of duly elected ethic Ukrainian presidents in 2004 and 2014) said Zelensky was agreeing to the “Putin Formula ”. Poroshenko supported the “veterans” who had served in the Donbas conflict who had been demonstrating against the “surrender.” in staged demonstrations outside his office in Kiev.
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/0C03/production/_109057030_a007fe10-10f8-4680-a02e-bb90d1255321.jpg

    It seems quite likely that Zelensky feared doing what he was elected to do and Germany, France Russian and even American diplomats wanted him to do ( , because the thought he was going to get the same treatment as Yanukovych from Poroshenko and his street muscle. Zelensky is currently having Poroshenko charged with treason). This is the trouble when you start overruling the country's electorate with a activist demos. Anyway, America was mildly favorable to the Steinmeier Formula implementation plan of Minsk per the Organisation of Security and Cooperation in Europe, which Zelensky was elected saying he would go forwards with . Not stopping bur rather amping up the fighting in the Donbas region was a good move for Zelensky’s personal aggrandizement, but not for his country–or anyone else’s.

    While Poroshenko was still Ukrainian President had a law passed requiring the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate to rename itself the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. In early 2019 president Poroshenko secured a decree making Ukraine's Orthodox Church independent and travelled to Istanbul in person to receive the decree from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Bartholomew I. There was a celebration and rally on Christmas Day. Poroshenko is not a normal politician, he mixes being a billionaire with street intimidation, his strength lies in huge rallies in the capitol city's main square. He did impose a proper military ethos on the Ukrainian army, inasmuch it was made clear they were expected to die rather than rill over as happened in Crimea in 2014. Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Verymuchalive


    t is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It’s not the countries, it’s the political class.
     
    Right. The richest people in Italy and Greece and Spain think the arrangement is perfectly fine.
  258. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike.
     
    I provide a factual analysis of what happened and you go hysterical. My own grandfather was a Pole who lived just slightly east of where the "liquidations" took place. According to the OUN(b) playbook, had I been alive and lived in the area during that era both he and I would have both met the grim reaper's end, so I've not dowplayed anything here. Just pointing out the facts.

    Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians.
     
    Another gem that you pulled out of your ass?

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!
     
    Yeah, I "downplayed" it so much that I bring it up with some details too. Don't know anything at all about the Swedes that were pleasure riding with the Germans around St. Petersburg. Good to see that your ranting and imagination skills are so easily provoked by so little, all of which was accurate and truthful. But I'll leave you with one serious thought to consider:

    If the Ukrainians were so merciless and vindictive with the Polish colonisers in the West of their country, who surely were not nearly as destructive as the Russian ones destroying Eastern Ukraine (and Central Ukraine too), think of what's in store for the murderous butchers and vandals sent from Moscow today? The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    …Just pointing out the facts.

    I gave you credit for that. I pointed out that some of what you wrote – Bandera disapproval, Shushkevich also being venerated by Kiev – didn’t make much sense.

    …Another gem

    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII – not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The ‘also’ could be quietly dropped in the future – we are now dealing with real hatreds. Give it some time and it will be “Moskali had to be behind Volyn massacres‘. Poles already officially blame Russia for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising – it is in their blood.

    We see here on Unz that there are a lot of stupid people and quite a few quiet Nazi-sympathisers. You are not that far with your selective terms that I critisised: ‘liquidate’, ‘hated colonizers’, “disapproval’, “angry villagers”… a bit cagey.

    But, my bad, I will drop your from the “spot the Swedish guy in a Norwegian SS Division” game. You are all right.

    The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Well, somebody will. I wouldn’t threaten others when losing in a war.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    No real offense intended, but this is as poor a reply as you've ever written, to me anyway. I wont really try to take it apart and critique it, well except for:


    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII – not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The ‘also’ could be quietly dropped in the future – we are dealing with some really hatreds now. So give it some time and it could be “Moskali were behind Volyn massacres‘. Poles alredy officially blame the Russians for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising.

     

    What a bunch of blabbering nonsense. I'll let you wait for the Poles to believe that the "Moskali were behind the Volyn massacres". I've had my fill right now, although you've already floated this idea once now. Trust me, this one needs some reworking before you try using it again. :-)

    I hope that your backers in St. Petersburg pay you enough to allow you to take a well deserved vacation once in a while. It's obvious that your batteries are all run down right now (stupid, unsubstantiable statements, many spelling typos, etc.) and you need to take a well deserved vacation to recharge. Who knows, you might get lucky and run into a couple of fat little "chickitas". For the right money, I hear, they'll take care of you. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

  259. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Bandera’s faction of OUN was mostly responsible for the massacres of Poles in Volynia & Galicia, he himself was not involved.
     
    Sweet, well then it's all right. Did Bandera write a disapproving letter to his faction? You, damn subordinates, why are you murdering the hated colonizers?

    It is interesting - as you helpfully point out - that some other factions were against. I suppose there were a few German Nazis who were not fully on-board with murdering 20 million people in the east. And not murdering, they were in your words: 'liquidated". What is that? like too much inventory, so they "liquidated" it?

    Shukhevych is also venerated in Kiev - we usually skip him because of his longer name. And since the Ukie villagers joined in, you may call it a 'people war'. Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians. Poles know who they are supposed to hate, damn the details. It was the 'Moskali', had to be. And Bandera disapproved.

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs - you can play a game with AP and German_reader of 'spot the Swedish guys!' - because as they were 'liquidating' the locals - who were also probably 'hated colonizers' - there were Swedes among them!

    There you go, and maybe some SS guys also 'disapproved'. Quietly, of course. But you and your latter-day Nazi-sympathizing column knows that they did. Or is it the kill-the-Russians column? I am not sometimes, you guys move back and forward seemlessly.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Friendly reminder that Beckow’s country was an ally of Nazi Germany and contributed more soldiers to the German cause than any of the places he listed, such as Norway or Western Ukraine. His county even paid the Nazis to transport and kill their Jews. I don’t think any other country did that, but could be wrong. Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.


    Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?
     
    I don't think anyone else did. The payments were for transport and the Germans insisted, you know 'must have tickets'. It also shows the total lack of power Slovak gment had at that time.

    I am still waiting for any 'atrocities' that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east - they were so useless that they were sent home after 6 months. On the hand, Norway had a bona-fide SS Division (with some Swedes as if that made it better) and did some of the worst atrocities committed outside St. Petersburg. Germans fully trusted them, they never trusted the WWII Slovak gment.

    Thou protest too much. Why? A Norwegian girlfriend? Or are you a secret Nazi?

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver

    , @Derer
    @AP

    You are ignorantly assuming that Slovakia was an independent country during the WWII. Study the famous Munich Agreement and Hitler's criminal dissolution of Czechoslovakia. Sudeten Germans were not treated differently than Italian in Canada or Japanese in the USA during the war.

    Replies: @AP

  260. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you
     
    Greasy William is Jewish.
    You're really like a broken record, it doesn't seem to matter at all who your interlocutor is or what he's actually writing.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Greasy William is Jewish

    Why does it make a difference? Zelko is also Jewish and a bit wobbly currently on the whole ‘Nazi-WWII’ thing.

    The Grease-bag denied the German genocide of Slavs in the east, so I corrected him. Nothing broken about it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow

    imo it's pretty clear that you and people like you are merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing. It's propaganda, nothing more, shows you to be morally and intellectually bankrupt. There's no point trying to even have a debate with you about it, because you're either arguing in bad faith or unable to even grasp the arguments others are making if they don't fit your manichaean world view where Russia always and everywhere has to defend herself against "Nazis".

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

  261. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Just pointing out the facts.
     
    I gave you credit for that. I pointed out that some of what you wrote - Bandera disapproval, Shushkevich also being venerated by Kiev - didn't make much sense.

    ...Another gem
     
    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII - not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The 'also' could be quietly dropped in the future - we are now dealing with real hatreds. Give it some time and it will be "Moskali had to be behind Volyn massacres'. Poles already officially blame Russia for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising - it is in their blood.

    We see here on Unz that there are a lot of stupid people and quite a few quiet Nazi-sympathisers. You are not that far with your selective terms that I critisised: 'liquidate', 'hated colonizers', "disapproval', "angry villagers"... a bit cagey.

    But, my bad, I will drop your from the "spot the Swedish guy in a Norwegian SS Division" game. You are all right.


    The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.
     
    Well, somebody will. I wouldn't threaten others when losing in a war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    No real offense intended, but this is as poor a reply as you’ve ever written, to me anyway. I wont really try to take it apart and critique it, well except for:

    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII – not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The ‘also’ could be quietly dropped in the future – we are dealing with some really hatreds now. So give it some time and it could be “Moskali were behind Volyn massacres‘. Poles alredy officially blame the Russians for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising.

    What a bunch of blabbering nonsense. I’ll let you wait for the Poles to believe that the “Moskali were behind the Volyn massacres”. I’ve had my fill right now, although you’ve already floated this idea once now. Trust me, this one needs some reworking before you try using it again. 🙂

    I hope that your backers in St. Petersburg pay you enough to allow you to take a well deserved vacation once in a while. It’s obvious that your batteries are all run down right now (stupid, unsubstantiable statements, many spelling typos, etc.) and you need to take a well deserved vacation to recharge. Who knows, you might get lucky and run into a couple of fat little “chickitas”. For the right money, I hear, they’ll take care of you. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Your answer said nothing. No thoughts only escapist drivel people do when losing an argument. Or letting it go. Fine, I will let it go too.

    And it is "cholas", chickita is I think a brand of bananas. They don't need to be paid: remember, they are cholas:)...

  262. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail.

    A currency is an attribute of a State. For it to work, there must be complete politcal, economic and fiscal union. As the units won't do this, it is bound to fail.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It's not the countries, it's the political class. These countries receive massive amounts in EU net subsidies - Poland, for example, gets 20 bn Euros in subsidies a year - but, of course, it isn't remotely enough to recompense for what Germany and France extract from these countries. However, massive amounts of these subsidies end up greasing the palms of the political class. Obviously, they don't want this to end, ever.

    what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted. But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

    But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    It is irrefutable, proven fact that Khamenei abrogated JCPOA while Obama was still in office. The deal was already dead before Trump was sworn in. This is a religious leader who violated his own religious edict. Hypocrisy!

    Khamenei is willing to abuse his own citizens in multiple ways. (1)

    For the past two weeks in Iran a large number of people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have been protesting in more than 100 cities to vent their anger against a system that they consider to be corrupt, incompetent and oppressive. The movement was triggered by the collapse of a tall building in Abadan, which claimed dozens of lives. For the first time, some protesters there started chanting “Down with Khamenei”, targeting Iran’s “Supreme Guide”. Pictured: The collapsed building in Abadan, on May 23, 2022. (Photo by Tasnim News/AFP via Getty Images)

    In the past decade, Iran has witnessed at least three major nationwide uprisings that shook the regime but led to no major change of direction. In every case, the regime succeeded in reasserting its control with a mixture of bribes and brutality, while taking advantage of the fact that the protests did not produce a coherent opposition leadership at the national level.

    The folly of excessive spending on foreign violence, notably Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria has come home to roost. The Iranian people want change.

    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18585/iran-summer-discontent

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. This man will open the Majlis once or twice a year, but he will largely confine himself to matters spiritual. He will be a titular head of state.

    Iran won't open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries - anywhere it has, more or less, stable political relations. This is the future - foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    Replies: @sher singh, @A123

  263. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    Greasy William is Jewish
     
    Why does it make a difference? Zelko is also Jewish and a bit wobbly currently on the whole 'Nazi-WWII' thing.

    The Grease-bag denied the German genocide of Slavs in the east, so I corrected him. Nothing broken about it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    imo it’s pretty clear that you and people like you are merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing. It’s propaganda, nothing more, shows you to be morally and intellectually bankrupt. There’s no point trying to even have a debate with you about it, because you’re either arguing in bad faith or unable to even grasp the arguments others are making if they don’t fit your manichaean world view where Russia always and everywhere has to defend herself against “Nazis”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing.
     
    It is part of the context. It was originally introduced by Poland and the Kiev revisionists and by EU with some pronouncements.

    Russia definitely uses it, but so do Europe, Israel, US when it suits them. Germans committed a genocide two generations ago - Germany's shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality. Would the West stop using Holocaust, "the wall" or 911 to justify what they do? You are being unrealistic.

    You refuse to see the other side's viewpoint since the war started. There is enough being said to support Kiev and to argue their points, but there has been almost no listening to the other side. Dismissing what they say got us to the war - it will only get worse if that continues.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader

    A great German thinker Hegel said “we learn from history that we do not learn from history”. Ironically, this applies to Germany more than to anyone else. In the twentieth century Germany was in Ukraine twice. The end result for Germany was exactly the same both times. Yet Germany is in Ukraine again. Would you be surprised by the end result?

  264. @Anon 2
    The war in Ukraine reminds me of two men so absorbed in their
    duel they don’t realize they are near a precipice. Sure enough,
    they soon fall into the abyss, villagers find their mangled bodies, and
    bury their remains. Instead of building a Garden of Eden in
    Europe, the two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide. This war reinforces the point of view
    I expressed here several years ago, namely that regarding human beings
    as weapon-making predatory primates or smart chimps, i.e., as
    animals, is a good first-order approximation to reality. Only individuals
    such as Jesus of Nazareth or perhaps St. Francis of Assisi have been
    able to transcend this sad state of affairs.

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe. Germany
    has been a long-term embarrassment to white people because of its
    propensity to hyperviolence. Bertrand Russell said the Germans
    resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they
    have zero talent for politics. IMHO Germany, although it has been
    reduced to a vassal state kept on a short leash by NATO, is still a
    bigger problem than Russia if only because Germany is right in the
    middle of the continent whereas Russia is on the periphery.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Sean, @Matra, @Derer

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe

    Though you are right, especially about Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately, the existential threat to Europe comes from the USA. If it remains in charge of Europe for another half century everything left from antiquity will be destroyed along with every statue and probably every language of Europe. America, a bastardized partial birth abortion of a country, is the destroyer of every nation it touches. They just can’t leave things alone. If things aren’t done the American way they must be changed. Every European must become a “decolonised” deracinated consumer just like them. Europe’s challenge this century is to remove the American occupier or there won’t be another century of Western civilisation.

    On Germans it’s still hard to believe that they responded to an earthquake and tsunami in a country that gets them regularly by shutting down their own nuclear stations. And now look at the state of them; they’ve got a Greenish government firing up the furnaces (coal) again. For Europe, having Germany at its centre is like sleeping in a house knowing there’s a pyromaniac in the basement.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately
     
    Germans are certainly very prone to hysterias of various kinds (e. g. the anti-nuclear scare campaign, the "refugees welcome" mania, the particularly unhinged reaction to Corona), but tbh I wonder who exactly in Europe is supposed to be so much more moderate nowadays. Britain used to have a reputation for good sense and pragmatism (as opposed to all those noxious ideologies percolating on the continent), but that has proven to be completely ineffective in stopping the elevation of antiracism and LBGTQ+ into a new state ideology, enforced with authoritarian means (but also eagerly supported by a large part of the population). As for anon2's Poles, with all their megalomania and approach to international politics as therapy for their 1940s traumas, if one listened to them and their fantastic ideas (sending NATO "peacekeepers" to Ukraine), we might all already have been incinerated in nuclear fire.
    Also have to laugh at anon2's characterisation of Germany as an "eternal bully". If you feel bullied by something as pathetic as the federal republic, whose only raison d'être seems to be providing a settlement area for Arabs and Africans and handing over money to anybody who's even slightly adept at moral blackmail, you're simply a total loser, sorry.

    Replies: @Matra

  265. @German_reader
    @Beckow

    imo it's pretty clear that you and people like you are merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing. It's propaganda, nothing more, shows you to be morally and intellectually bankrupt. There's no point trying to even have a debate with you about it, because you're either arguing in bad faith or unable to even grasp the arguments others are making if they don't fit your manichaean world view where Russia always and everywhere has to defend herself against "Nazis".

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    …merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing.

    It is part of the context. It was originally introduced by Poland and the Kiev revisionists and by EU with some pronouncements.

    Russia definitely uses it, but so do Europe, Israel, US when it suits them. Germans committed a genocide two generations ago – Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality. Would the West stop using Holocaust, “the wall” or 911 to justify what they do? You are being unrealistic.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started. There is enough being said to support Kiev and to argue their points, but there has been almost no listening to the other side. Dismissing what they say got us to the war – it will only get worse if that continues.

    • Agree: Derer
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality.
     
    If it makes you happy, I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants (both Russians and their enemies) at all.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started.
     
    I don't think that's true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it's you who's extremely one-sided, since you don't seem to see anything problematic with Russia's methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

  266. @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail.

    A currency is an attribute of a State. For it to work, there must be complete politcal, economic and fiscal union. As the units won't do this, it is bound to fail.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It's not the countries, it's the political class. These countries receive massive amounts in EU net subsidies - Poland, for example, gets 20 bn Euros in subsidies a year - but, of course, it isn't remotely enough to recompense for what Germany and France extract from these countries. However, massive amounts of these subsidies end up greasing the palms of the political class. Obviously, they don't want this to end, ever.

    what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted. But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted.

    In 2019, by which time 13, 000 had died and well over a million had fled the region including hundreds of thousands to the RF, Zelensky agreed to the deal brokered by France and Germany, whereby the people of the ‘so called’ Donetsk People’s Republic’ could have elections with international observers) without the Russian Federation troops withdrawing. In return Zelensky/ Ukraine would recognize those elections and the special status of the region, but the man Zelensky defeated ex President Petro Poroshenko (orchestrator of the mass demos that brought about the overthrow of duly elected ethic Ukrainian presidents in 2004 and 2014) said Zelensky was agreeing to the “Putin Formula ”. Poroshenko supported the “veterans” who had served in the Donbas conflict who had been demonstrating against the “surrender.” in staged demonstrations outside his office in Kiev.

    It seems quite likely that Zelensky feared doing what he was elected to do and Germany, France Russian and even American diplomats wanted him to do ( , because the thought he was going to get the same treatment as Yanukovych from Poroshenko and his street muscle. Zelensky is currently having Poroshenko charged with treason). This is the trouble when you start overruling the country’s electorate with a activist demos. Anyway, America was mildly favorable to the Steinmeier Formula implementation plan of Minsk per the Organisation of Security and Cooperation in Europe, which Zelensky was elected saying he would go forwards with . Not stopping bur rather amping up the fighting in the Donbas region was a good move for Zelensky’s personal aggrandizement, but not for his country–or anyone else’s.

    While Poroshenko was still Ukrainian President had a law passed requiring the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate to rename itself the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. In early 2019 president Poroshenko secured a decree making Ukraine’s Orthodox Church independent and travelled to Istanbul in person to receive the decree from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Bartholomew I. There was a celebration and rally on Christmas Day. Poroshenko is not a normal politician, he mixes being a billionaire with street intimidation, his strength lies in huge rallies in the capitol city’s main square. He did impose a proper military ethos on the Ukrainian army, inasmuch it was made clear they were expected to die rather than rill over as happened in Crimea in 2014. Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Sean


    Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.
     
    Yes, of course, he had no intention of actually abiding by it, but neither had Zelensky. Zelensky, a Zionist Jew, was bankrolled by the main Ukrainian Jewish oligarch Kholomoisky after Poroshenko nationalised Kholomoisky's bank. Kholomoisky also bankrolled the Azov Regiment , which was widely regarded as his own private army.
    Please read Thomas Dalton's informative article on the subject.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-world-war-three/

    And here's wee Volodya saying how he wants Ukraine to be a "big Israel". No surprise who's playing the part of the Palestinians.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sean

  267. @Peripatetic Commenter
    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1540005479249838081

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    This is the evidence of one of the crimes of current Kiev regime, defamation of Ukrainian language and culture. Before coup-installed Kiev regime started bombing and shelling Donbass in 2014, many (possibly the majority) of the people in Donbass wanted only autonomy. Russian-speaking people there (a huge majority) were neutral to the Ukrainian language. Donbass, like pretty much all of Russia proper, enjoyed Ukrainian songs, some of which used to be very popular. Because of association with the Kiev regime, now Ukrainian language causes a gag reflex in Russia. It is particularly strong in the parts of former Ukraine liberated from banderites. There is nothing wrong with the Ukrainian language per se, but there is everything wrong with current Kiev regime.

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder. The regime made sure that those criminals were never punished. In addition, habitually drunk Ukie military drivers ran over civilians and their cars with impunity. Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians, murdered and injured more than 500 children. Naturally, what the regime “achieved” is a burning hatred of everything Ukrainian of >90% of the local population. That’s what you see in these videos.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder.
     
    Here is the work of your Russian liberators, carpet bombing the Donbas town of Soledar, as they've done to many more towns in the area. The people know from what direction the missiles are coming from. Your feeble attempts at misdirection will only impress Beckow, and maybe kremlinstoogeA123.

    https://youtu.be/ptKnV-QT_MM

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43.
     
    This is what the survivors of Russian occupation in areas outside Kiev say.

    Kharkiv has been destroyed more by the Russians than it had been destroyed by the Germans.

    Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians
     
    A well-known fake number, you get your information form propaganda.

    Here is the UN report:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    It is over 13,000 total deaths, including military.

    About 10,000 of thos killd were soldiers. Over 3,000 were civlians.

    From the UN report:

    During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021, OHCHR recorded a
    total of 3,106 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,852 men, 1,072 women, 102 boys, 50 girls, and 30 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 deaths on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,404

    ::::::::::::::

    So about 3,200 civilians (not including the ones on the Malaysian plane) were killed in Donbas, not 13,000.

    Furthermore, almost all of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021, only 25 civilians were killed. Of those, only 7 were killed during hostilities. The largest number were killed by mines.

    A typical mid-size Russian city has more homicides every year, than the number of civilians killed by military actions in Donbas in 2021. How many people in Donbas were killed by this invasion, in comparison to the 25 killed in 2021? Putin is doing what Ukrainian nationalists never did - mass kill and clear out the Donbas.

    ::::::::::::

    When America invaded Iraq it used as an excuse the gassing of Kurds by Saddam - which happened years before the American invasion. Similarly, the the thousands civilians killed in Donbas occurred years before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    (of course the gassing of Kurds and the killed civilians in Donbas war are not the same, much of the latter involved collateral damage from fighting)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  268. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    No real offense intended, but this is as poor a reply as you've ever written, to me anyway. I wont really try to take it apart and critique it, well except for:


    Is it really? In a recent survey of Japanese youth 60-70% said that it was Russia who dropped the nuclear bomb on Hiroshima. And EU famously proclaimed that it was Soviet Union (also) who started WWII – not UK-France in Munich 1938, not even Italy, but the damn Russians again. The ‘also’ could be quietly dropped in the future – we are dealing with some really hatreds now. So give it some time and it could be “Moskali were behind Volyn massacres‘. Poles alredy officially blame the Russians for being massacred by Germans after their failed 1944 Warsaw uprising.

     

    What a bunch of blabbering nonsense. I'll let you wait for the Poles to believe that the "Moskali were behind the Volyn massacres". I've had my fill right now, although you've already floated this idea once now. Trust me, this one needs some reworking before you try using it again. :-)

    I hope that your backers in St. Petersburg pay you enough to allow you to take a well deserved vacation once in a while. It's obvious that your batteries are all run down right now (stupid, unsubstantiable statements, many spelling typos, etc.) and you need to take a well deserved vacation to recharge. Who knows, you might get lucky and run into a couple of fat little "chickitas". For the right money, I hear, they'll take care of you. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

    Your answer said nothing. No thoughts only escapist drivel people do when losing an argument. Or letting it go. Fine, I will let it go too.

    And it is “cholas“, chickita is I think a brand of bananas. They don’t need to be paid: remember, they are cholas:)…

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  269. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    @Anon 2


    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe
     
    Though you are right, especially about Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately, the existential threat to Europe comes from the USA. If it remains in charge of Europe for another half century everything left from antiquity will be destroyed along with every statue and probably every language of Europe. America, a bastardized partial birth abortion of a country, is the destroyer of every nation it touches. They just can't leave things alone. If things aren't done the American way they must be changed. Every European must become a "decolonised" deracinated consumer just like them. Europe's challenge this century is to remove the American occupier or there won't be another century of Western civilisation.

    On Germans it's still hard to believe that they responded to an earthquake and tsunami in a country that gets them regularly by shutting down their own nuclear stations. And now look at the state of them; they've got a Greenish government firing up the furnaces (coal) again. For Europe, having Germany at its centre is like sleeping in a house knowing there's a pyromaniac in the basement.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately

    Germans are certainly very prone to hysterias of various kinds (e. g. the anti-nuclear scare campaign, the “refugees welcome” mania, the particularly unhinged reaction to Corona), but tbh I wonder who exactly in Europe is supposed to be so much more moderate nowadays. Britain used to have a reputation for good sense and pragmatism (as opposed to all those noxious ideologies percolating on the continent), but that has proven to be completely ineffective in stopping the elevation of antiracism and LBGTQ+ into a new state ideology, enforced with authoritarian means (but also eagerly supported by a large part of the population). As for anon2’s Poles, with all their megalomania and approach to international politics as therapy for their 1940s traumas, if one listened to them and their fantastic ideas (sending NATO “peacekeepers” to Ukraine), we might all already have been incinerated in nuclear fire.
    Also have to laugh at anon2’s characterisation of Germany as an “eternal bully”. If you feel bullied by something as pathetic as the federal republic, whose only raison d’être seems to be providing a settlement area for Arabs and Africans and handing over money to anybody who’s even slightly adept at moral blackmail, you’re simply a total loser, sorry.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Matra
    @German_reader

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people. Here's Regent Street this month

    The British people are mentally colonised by the US. All common sense seems to have disappeared from Britain. Yesterday I noticed that the most unhinged propagandistic headlines about the war in my You Tube recommendations all came from radio channel of The Times newspaper, which not so long ago was Britain's sober-minded 'paper of record'. I wouldn't be surprised to read of babies being bayoneted at this rate. I was in London earlier this year and I'd say the pro-Ukraine enthusiasm was as intense there as it was in Warsaw. (I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable). Maybe it's like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can't publicly express, except in Britain this time.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William

  270. @German_reader
    @Beckow

    imo it's pretty clear that you and people like you are merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing. It's propaganda, nothing more, shows you to be morally and intellectually bankrupt. There's no point trying to even have a debate with you about it, because you're either arguing in bad faith or unable to even grasp the arguments others are making if they don't fit your manichaean world view where Russia always and everywhere has to defend herself against "Nazis".

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    A great German thinker Hegel said “we learn from history that we do not learn from history”. Ironically, this applies to Germany more than to anyone else. In the twentieth century Germany was in Ukraine twice. The end result for Germany was exactly the same both times. Yet Germany is in Ukraine again. Would you be surprised by the end result?

  271. @AP
    @Beckow

    Friendly reminder that Beckow’s country was an ally of Nazi Germany and contributed more soldiers to the German cause than any of the places he listed, such as Norway or Western Ukraine. His county even paid the Nazis to transport and kill their Jews. I don’t think any other country did that, but could be wrong. Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.

    Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    I don’t think anyone else did. The payments were for transport and the Germans insisted, you know ‘must have tickets‘. It also shows the total lack of power Slovak gment had at that time.

    I am still waiting for any ‘atrocities’ that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east – they were so useless that they were sent home after 6 months. On the hand, Norway had a bona-fide SS Division (with some Swedes as if that made it better) and did some of the worst atrocities committed outside St. Petersburg. Germans fully trusted them, they never trusted the WWII Slovak gment.

    Thou protest too much. Why? A Norwegian girlfriend? Or are you a secret Nazi?

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    I am still waiting for any ‘atrocities’ that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east
     
    There was a security division which was involved in anti-partisan warfare in northern Ukraine/southern Belarus in 1942/43. I looked up the chapter about Slovakia in the Joining Hitler's crusade book I mentioned before (p. 128/29). According to that "units of the 102nd Regiment took part in brutal 'pacification' actions against Soviet partisans with special battalions destroying several villages suspected of supporting partisans...[their] excesses extended to executing captured partisans and civilian suspects".
    tbf the book also mention that other Slovak units behaved differently and established somewhat friendly relations with local civilians or concluded armistices with the partisans.
    Your insistence on Norwegian guilt is still bizarre though.
    , @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.
     
    AP treats history as a collection of factoids, any of which he can isolate and amplify as needed to "score points." Presumably, to him this amounts to an "argument." Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process. It's almost certain he takes the same attitude to those Ukrainian histories he cites; if he's even read them, it's been with an eye to mining them for nuggets he can store away for later reference. The whole things reaches the point of greatest absurdity when he's engaged in one of his long-running 'bloodfeud' debates, in which he relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he's "winning." He can then go to bed feeling that Ukrainian honor has been defended.

    Of course, you're prone to distort history towards your own ends yourself. And the reason you do it appears to be because, essentially, for you it's always 1410. That's it. That's the skeleton key to Beckow's historical reasoning. It's not so much, as German_reader said, that Russians are always having to fight off various "nazis," rather that slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics. Any other historical particularities one might cite are just window dressing aimed at obscuring the underlying dynamic. If one just keep this in mind, one can understand your position on everything. It explains, for instance, why Britain and France were never serious about protecting Czechoslovakia; why the Allies were slow (even reluctant) to go to war with Hitler; and why Norwegian participation on the Nazi side was so much more consequential than Slovak participation.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

  272. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...merely using German crimes in WW2 as a pretext to justify anything and everything Russia is doing.
     
    It is part of the context. It was originally introduced by Poland and the Kiev revisionists and by EU with some pronouncements.

    Russia definitely uses it, but so do Europe, Israel, US when it suits them. Germans committed a genocide two generations ago - Germany's shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality. Would the West stop using Holocaust, "the wall" or 911 to justify what they do? You are being unrealistic.

    You refuse to see the other side's viewpoint since the war started. There is enough being said to support Kiev and to argue their points, but there has been almost no listening to the other side. Dismissing what they say got us to the war - it will only get worse if that continues.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality.

    If it makes you happy, I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants (both Russians and their enemies) at all.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started.

    I don’t think that’s true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it’s you who’s extremely one-sided, since you don’t seem to see anything problematic with Russia’s methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants
     
    Most inhabitants of that region would agree, including the part about being annoyed by ourselves. Yet as a country, and the West in general, you can't let go. Maybe the resources, or women, or there is something deeply flawed on your psyche. Maybe even subconscious revenge for WWII.

    Nato intentionally stirred this up and when the sh.t hit the fan absolutely refused to even discuss a compromise. Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes. She is either a certifiable nut or she is not getting enough of that. In either case, the German men have failed. Again.


    problematic with Russia’s methods...and have indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.
     
    I object to all war methods - war is a crime, but we need to criticise all sides, including the people who are cheering it on from Washington, London or Berlin. I specifically said that Russia taking over the Black See coast is a big problem for Europe, I just don't see how that can be prevented now. The primary fault lies with those who couldn't compromise. There is no way the war would be going on if Merkel-Macron had to balls to force Kiev to accept the Minsk deal - and to tell Washington to mind its own business and fight its wars somewhere else. Instead they puffed-up with slogans, now for the consequences.

    (By the way, thanks for the WWII reference. I will look into it. But it seems very small - it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless. Or so they said after WWII.)

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Mikhail
    @German_reader


    I don’t think that’s true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it’s you who’s extremely one-sided, since you don’t seem to see anything problematic with Russia’s methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.
     
    The stance so far taken by the Kiev regime increases the likelihood for such to happen.
  273. @A123
    Mr Unz,

    The article has a critical problem. It does not address the fact that the U.S. has an unelected coup leader, Not-The-President Biden. For example:


    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia.
     
    As the U.S. is incapable of leading. It is impossible for Europe to follow something that does not exist. The article should have said:

    Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the European/WEF Pied Piper to war against Russia.

    Another example:


    Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world.
     
    The White House occupant is so far gone he cannot successfully ride a bicycle. A mental invalid cannot form a foreign policy “vision”. Thus, by process of elimination, the "vision" must be European in origin. The article should read:

    Europe is a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “EU leadership” in the world.

    Bottom line:

    -- The Problem with Europe is *Europe* --

    Remember, Ukraine was lured into this folly because European Elites (100% without America) offered the lure of EU membership.

    Incorrectly attributing Europe's mistakes to America is the European WEF's #1 backup plan. They seek to avoid responsibility for the actions of their EU Elites.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Mikhail, @Mr. Hack, @Derer

    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO – epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland’s “fcuk the EU” line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Derer


    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO – epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland’s “fcuk the EU” line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.
     
    The EU has offered the Kiev regime a candidate status that serves as a waiting line for a stated membership which in this instance isn't likely to happen anytime soon if ever.
  274. @AnonfromTN
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    This is the evidence of one of the crimes of current Kiev regime, defamation of Ukrainian language and culture. Before coup-installed Kiev regime started bombing and shelling Donbass in 2014, many (possibly the majority) of the people in Donbass wanted only autonomy. Russian-speaking people there (a huge majority) were neutral to the Ukrainian language. Donbass, like pretty much all of Russia proper, enjoyed Ukrainian songs, some of which used to be very popular. Because of association with the Kiev regime, now Ukrainian language causes a gag reflex in Russia. It is particularly strong in the parts of former Ukraine liberated from banderites. There is nothing wrong with the Ukrainian language per se, but there is everything wrong with current Kiev regime.

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder. The regime made sure that those criminals were never punished. In addition, habitually drunk Ukie military drivers ran over civilians and their cars with impunity. Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians, murdered and injured more than 500 children. Naturally, what the regime “achieved” is a burning hatred of everything Ukrainian of >90% of the local population. That’s what you see in these videos.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder.

    Here is the work of your Russian liberators, carpet bombing the Donbas town of Soledar, as they’ve done to many more towns in the area. The people know from what direction the missiles are coming from. Your feeble attempts at misdirection will only impress Beckow, and maybe kremlinstoogeA123.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Mikhail

    , @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    They elected Viktor Yanukovych, and got Victor Poroshenko. Then they elected Zelensky and, by 2021 Ukraine was being ran with Poroshenko's policies. That meant Russia was officially governed by Vladimir Putin but began enacting the ideas of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, whereby Russian men were needed in Ukraine because all the women there are nymphomaniacs. Ukraine got the Russia they created.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  275. @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    A currency union with out a fiscal union is doomed to fail.

    A currency is an attribute of a State. For it to work, there must be complete politcal, economic and fiscal union. As the units won't do this, it is bound to fail.

    It is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It's not the countries, it's the political class. These countries receive massive amounts in EU net subsidies - Poland, for example, gets 20 bn Euros in subsidies a year - but, of course, it isn't remotely enough to recompense for what Germany and France extract from these countries. However, massive amounts of these subsidies end up greasing the palms of the political class. Obviously, they don't want this to end, ever.

    what some leaders are willing to do to their own citizens for personal gain. It is the same mentality you can see in Zelensky and Khamenei.

    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted. But please enlighten on Khamenei.

    Replies: @A123, @Sean, @Emil Nikola Richard

    t is quite obvious that the EZ is about driving wealth towards Germany and France. To do this they need exploitable victims. And, countries who are willing to be exploited.

    It’s not the countries, it’s the political class.

    Right. The richest people in Italy and Greece and Spain think the arrangement is perfectly fine.

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
  276. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.


    Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?
     
    I don't think anyone else did. The payments were for transport and the Germans insisted, you know 'must have tickets'. It also shows the total lack of power Slovak gment had at that time.

    I am still waiting for any 'atrocities' that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east - they were so useless that they were sent home after 6 months. On the hand, Norway had a bona-fide SS Division (with some Swedes as if that made it better) and did some of the worst atrocities committed outside St. Petersburg. Germans fully trusted them, they never trusted the WWII Slovak gment.

    Thou protest too much. Why? A Norwegian girlfriend? Or are you a secret Nazi?

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver

    I am still waiting for any ‘atrocities’ that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east

    There was a security division which was involved in anti-partisan warfare in northern Ukraine/southern Belarus in 1942/43. I looked up the chapter about Slovakia in the Joining Hitler’s crusade book I mentioned before (p. 128/29). According to that “units of the 102nd Regiment took part in brutal ‘pacification’ actions against Soviet partisans with special battalions destroying several villages suspected of supporting partisans…[their] excesses extended to executing captured partisans and civilian suspects”.
    tbf the book also mention that other Slovak units behaved differently and established somewhat friendly relations with local civilians or concluded armistices with the partisans.
    Your insistence on Norwegian guilt is still bizarre though.

  277. @German_reader
    @Matra


    Germans, a people incapable of doing anything moderately
     
    Germans are certainly very prone to hysterias of various kinds (e. g. the anti-nuclear scare campaign, the "refugees welcome" mania, the particularly unhinged reaction to Corona), but tbh I wonder who exactly in Europe is supposed to be so much more moderate nowadays. Britain used to have a reputation for good sense and pragmatism (as opposed to all those noxious ideologies percolating on the continent), but that has proven to be completely ineffective in stopping the elevation of antiracism and LBGTQ+ into a new state ideology, enforced with authoritarian means (but also eagerly supported by a large part of the population). As for anon2's Poles, with all their megalomania and approach to international politics as therapy for their 1940s traumas, if one listened to them and their fantastic ideas (sending NATO "peacekeepers" to Ukraine), we might all already have been incinerated in nuclear fire.
    Also have to laugh at anon2's characterisation of Germany as an "eternal bully". If you feel bullied by something as pathetic as the federal republic, whose only raison d'être seems to be providing a settlement area for Arabs and Africans and handing over money to anybody who's even slightly adept at moral blackmail, you're simply a total loser, sorry.

    Replies: @Matra

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people. Here’s Regent Street this month

    The British people are mentally colonised by the US. All common sense seems to have disappeared from Britain. Yesterday I noticed that the most unhinged propagandistic headlines about the war in my You Tube recommendations all came from radio channel of The Times newspaper, which not so long ago was Britain’s sober-minded ‘paper of record’. I wouldn’t be surprised to read of babies being bayoneted at this rate. I was in London earlier this year and I’d say the pro-Ukraine enthusiasm was as intense there as it was in Warsaw. (I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable). Maybe it’s like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can’t publicly express, except in Britain this time.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    The British are a defeated, demoralised people.
     
    Maybe, but what is a people which lost two huge wars (and a large chunk of its territory), had only limited sovereignty in its western half/was a Soviet satellite in its eastern half until 1990, and whose crimes are the negative foundation myth of the modern West, meant never to fade away with the passing of time?
    It's pretty frustrating when you live in a country run by insane left-wing ideologues (and their "conservative" accomplices)...where the reaction to some Somali stabbing random pedestrians to death is literally "I cry not just for the victims, but also because of the increase in prejudice against refugees" (CDU mayor)...and then you see some screeching Eastern Euro mentally stuck in 1939, or some Italian who wants Eurobonds, or someone else with some other grievance who starts his "Ah, Germans! Still Nazis, still trying to dominate Europe" routine...just lol at this point.

    Maybe it’s like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can’t publicly express, except in Britain this time.
     
    I'm not sure I find that explanation convincing, the most fervent pro-Ukraine enthusiasts in Western countries seem to be shitlibs who outright despise any national sentiment in their own countries. In this sense it's different from the pro-Israel sentiment common among many Western right-wingers, which allows them to voice opinions about Muslims they can't say openly in the domestic sphere.
    But I agree that something very strange is going on with a lot of the pro-Ukraine stuff.
    , @Greasy William
    @Matra


    I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable
     
    Something about Zelensky kinda gives me the creeps. And it isn't just from the bizarre, manufactured personality cult around him
  278. @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...they were merely viewed as being in the wrong place at wrong time as far as Hitler and the Nazis
     
    You mean as far as the Germans were concerned? Why the substitution of one guy and his very-popular gang for the German nation that invaded the east and murdered 20 million people?

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but 'being in the wrong place at wrong time' takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh...isn't that kind of always what happens in a 'genocide'?

    You are skating very close to 'denying and justifying Nazi genocide'. I don't care, I am a free speech purist, but in some countries that is a crime. "Wrong-place, wrong-time, so we murder you"...you are also one very sick greasy puppy.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William

    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but ‘being in the wrong place at wrong time’ takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh…isn’t that kind of always what happens in a ‘genocide’?

    The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat to the German nation. He was very clear about this both in public and private over the course of his entire political career. He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia. A true case of “nothing personal, just business”.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat...He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia
     
    It is the same thing.

    Until WWII Nazis seriously tried to force migrate the Jews to Madagascar or Palestine and allowed them to leave till 1939 or so. That conflicts with what you say about 'existential threat'.

    We can't see into Hitler's mind, but the distinction you are making was in practise not that significant. They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone. That was what German Nazism was about and you denied the Slavic part. Nazis also saw the English (and Norwegians :) as potential allies and treated them very differently.

    Replies: @German_reader

  279. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    @German_reader

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people. Here's Regent Street this month

    The British people are mentally colonised by the US. All common sense seems to have disappeared from Britain. Yesterday I noticed that the most unhinged propagandistic headlines about the war in my You Tube recommendations all came from radio channel of The Times newspaper, which not so long ago was Britain's sober-minded 'paper of record'. I wouldn't be surprised to read of babies being bayoneted at this rate. I was in London earlier this year and I'd say the pro-Ukraine enthusiasm was as intense there as it was in Warsaw. (I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable). Maybe it's like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can't publicly express, except in Britain this time.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people.

    Maybe, but what is a people which lost two huge wars (and a large chunk of its territory), had only limited sovereignty in its western half/was a Soviet satellite in its eastern half until 1990, and whose crimes are the negative foundation myth of the modern West, meant never to fade away with the passing of time?
    It’s pretty frustrating when you live in a country run by insane left-wing ideologues (and their “conservative” accomplices)…where the reaction to some Somali stabbing random pedestrians to death is literally “I cry not just for the victims, but also because of the increase in prejudice against refugees” (CDU mayor)…and then you see some screeching Eastern Euro mentally stuck in 1939, or some Italian who wants Eurobonds, or someone else with some other grievance who starts his “Ah, Germans! Still Nazis, still trying to dominate Europe” routine…just lol at this point.

    Maybe it’s like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can’t publicly express, except in Britain this time.

    I’m not sure I find that explanation convincing, the most fervent pro-Ukraine enthusiasts in Western countries seem to be shitlibs who outright despise any national sentiment in their own countries. In this sense it’s different from the pro-Israel sentiment common among many Western right-wingers, which allows them to voice opinions about Muslims they can’t say openly in the domestic sphere.
    But I agree that something very strange is going on with a lot of the pro-Ukraine stuff.

  280. @Matra
    @German_reader

    The British are a defeated, demoralised people. Here's Regent Street this month

    The British people are mentally colonised by the US. All common sense seems to have disappeared from Britain. Yesterday I noticed that the most unhinged propagandistic headlines about the war in my You Tube recommendations all came from radio channel of The Times newspaper, which not so long ago was Britain's sober-minded 'paper of record'. I wouldn't be surprised to read of babies being bayoneted at this rate. I was in London earlier this year and I'd say the pro-Ukraine enthusiasm was as intense there as it was in Warsaw. (I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable). Maybe it's like what Anatol Lieven said about the Iraq war channeling pent-up white American anger at blacks and illegal aliens that they can't publicly express, except in Britain this time.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Greasy William

    I saw some wanker at Heathrow wearing a Zelensky tee-shirt in the style of those Che Guevara ones that used to be common. Laughable

    Something about Zelensky kinda gives me the creeps. And it isn’t just from the bizarre, manufactured personality cult around him

  281. @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    All 6 of them? Wow!

    Replies: @sudden death, @Derer

    The Ukraine is run by US embassy in Kiev and that is more than 6 people. BTW US embassy in Moscow is 1000 people strong, half of that is CIA. I am not sure if they left.

    • Replies: @216
    @Derer

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1539582088885805059?cxt=HHwWhoC96Zbw2N0qAAAA

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikhail, @A123

  282. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder.
     
    Here is the work of your Russian liberators, carpet bombing the Donbas town of Soledar, as they've done to many more towns in the area. The people know from what direction the missiles are coming from. Your feeble attempts at misdirection will only impress Beckow, and maybe kremlinstoogeA123.

    https://youtu.be/ptKnV-QT_MM

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    Italian journo screwed Ukies big time he pictured serial number of missile and you can track to exact unit that fired missiles , story disappeared from news within couple days . I was thinking no body lie more then Croats but Ukies are head and shoulder above

    , @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN


    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.
     
    So true like the crapola about the Babi Yar monument and Mariupol mosque getting bombed, Denisova's mass rape claims, Ghost of Kiev, fighting to the death heroes of Snake Island, Kiev regime forces capturing more tanks than it had before the war, while downplaying the Kiev regime use of civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.
  283. @AP
    @Beckow

    Friendly reminder that Beckow’s country was an ally of Nazi Germany and contributed more soldiers to the German cause than any of the places he listed, such as Norway or Western Ukraine. His county even paid the Nazis to transport and kill their Jews. I don’t think any other country did that, but could be wrong. Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    You are ignorantly assuming that Slovakia was an independent country during the WWII. Study the famous Munich Agreement and Hitler’s criminal dissolution of Czechoslovakia. Sudeten Germans were not treated differently than Italian in Canada or Japanese in the USA during the war.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer

    Slovakia gained independence when Czechoslovakia was eliminated, and allied with Nazi Germany. The Slovak Hlinka Guard (numbering around 100,000) were taught at an SS training camp, Slovakia sent 45,000 troops into the war against the USSR. Slovakia eagerly participated in the Final Solution, even paying the Germans to transport its Jews to their deaths. Slovak troops even managed to commit some war crimes in poor Belarus (h/t German Reader).

    One strange Slovak here likes to pretend that somehow Western European countries were comparable to Slovakia when it came to alliance with Germany; they were not.

    Replies: @Derer

  284. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder.
     
    Here is the work of your Russian liberators, carpet bombing the Donbas town of Soledar, as they've done to many more towns in the area. The people know from what direction the missiles are coming from. Your feeble attempts at misdirection will only impress Beckow, and maybe kremlinstoogeA123.

    https://youtu.be/ptKnV-QT_MM

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Sean

    They elected Viktor Yanukovych, and got Victor Poroshenko. Then they elected Zelensky and, by 2021 Ukraine was being ran with Poroshenko’s policies. That meant Russia was officially governed by Vladimir Putin but began enacting the ideas of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, whereby Russian men were needed in Ukraine because all the women there are nymphomaniacs. Ukraine got the Russia they created.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    You mean that old boy Putler who "began enacting the ideas of Joseph Stalin, don't you?
    https://image.cagle.com/260327/750/260327.png
    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    Replies: @Sean, @Mikhail

  285. AP says:
    @Derer
    @AP

    You are ignorantly assuming that Slovakia was an independent country during the WWII. Study the famous Munich Agreement and Hitler's criminal dissolution of Czechoslovakia. Sudeten Germans were not treated differently than Italian in Canada or Japanese in the USA during the war.

    Replies: @AP

    Slovakia gained independence when Czechoslovakia was eliminated, and allied with Nazi Germany. The Slovak Hlinka Guard (numbering around 100,000) were taught at an SS training camp, Slovakia sent 45,000 troops into the war against the USSR. Slovakia eagerly participated in the Final Solution, even paying the Germans to transport its Jews to their deaths. Slovak troops even managed to commit some war crimes in poor Belarus (h/t German Reader).

    One strange Slovak here likes to pretend that somehow Western European countries were comparable to Slovakia when it came to alliance with Germany; they were not.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @AP

    Slovaks gained, under duress or fake, independence because they chose lesser evil, being Hitler's puppet state at reduced size or to disappear to enlarged Nazi Hungary and some to Poland.

    Replies: @AP

  286. @Anon 2
    The war in Ukraine reminds me of two men so absorbed in their
    duel they don’t realize they are near a precipice. Sure enough,
    they soon fall into the abyss, villagers find their mangled bodies, and
    bury their remains. Instead of building a Garden of Eden in
    Europe, the two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide. This war reinforces the point of view
    I expressed here several years ago, namely that regarding human beings
    as weapon-making predatory primates or smart chimps, i.e., as
    animals, is a good first-order approximation to reality. Only individuals
    such as Jesus of Nazareth or perhaps St. Francis of Assisi have been
    able to transcend this sad state of affairs.

    Actually, Europe has two problems: Germany, the Eternal Bully of
    Europe, and Russia, the Eastern Bully of Europe. Germany
    has been a long-term embarrassment to white people because of its
    propensity to hyperviolence. Bertrand Russell said the Germans
    resort to hyperviolence because, unlike the Brits or the French, they
    have zero talent for politics. IMHO Germany, although it has been
    reduced to a vassal state kept on a short leash by NATO, is still a
    bigger problem than Russia if only because Germany is right in the
    middle of the continent whereas Russia is on the periphery.

    Replies: @Anon 2, @Sean, @Matra, @Derer

    he two white countries that are already severely underpopulated
    are currently trying to commit suicide.

    You sound like this is a coordinated suicide. No. It happened because one of them succumbed to the evil apple offered to them from a snake west of them. Suicide is final and irreversible, fortunately this struggle is not.

  287. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    I have seen some creative euphemisms by the Nazi scumbags like you, but ‘being in the wrong place at wrong time’ takes the cake. You say millions of the local Slavs, Jews and others were in the wrong place. So the Germans killed them. Oh…isn’t that kind of always what happens in a ‘genocide’?
     
    The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat to the German nation. He was very clear about this both in public and private over the course of his entire political career. He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia. A true case of "nothing personal, just business".

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat…He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia

    It is the same thing.

    Until WWII Nazis seriously tried to force migrate the Jews to Madagascar or Palestine and allowed them to leave till 1939 or so. That conflicts with what you say about ‘existential threat’.

    We can’t see into Hitler’s mind, but the distinction you are making was in practise not that significant. They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone. That was what German Nazism was about and you denied the Slavic part. Nazis also saw the English (and Norwegians 🙂 as potential allies and treated them very differently.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone.
     
    That's at least an over-simplification. There was also an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples. In Danzig-West Prussia and Silesia lots of ethnic Poles were put on Deutsche Volksliste. Even Himmler and Heydrich viewed assimilation of Slavs they considered racially valuable as part of their programme. E. g. in his infamous comments about the future treatment of Poland (no need for anything beyond elementary education) Himmler also mentioned that a minority of Poles deemed loyal and racially suitable should be sent to the Reich for assimilation. iirc there was talk of 50% or even more of Czechs to be assimilated into Germandom.
    Whereas there never was the possibility of Jews being assimilated (even in those cases who actually already were assimilated to a significant extent), who were seen as the irredeemable archantagonists.

    Replies: @Beckow

  288. @AP
    @Derer

    Slovakia gained independence when Czechoslovakia was eliminated, and allied with Nazi Germany. The Slovak Hlinka Guard (numbering around 100,000) were taught at an SS training camp, Slovakia sent 45,000 troops into the war against the USSR. Slovakia eagerly participated in the Final Solution, even paying the Germans to transport its Jews to their deaths. Slovak troops even managed to commit some war crimes in poor Belarus (h/t German Reader).

    One strange Slovak here likes to pretend that somehow Western European countries were comparable to Slovakia when it came to alliance with Germany; they were not.

    Replies: @Derer

    Slovaks gained, under duress or fake, independence because they chose lesser evil, being Hitler’s puppet state at reduced size or to disappear to enlarged Nazi Hungary and some to Poland.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Derer

    The far right Slovak Peoples Party who allied with Hitler was the most popular party in Slovakia before the war. This wasn’t some marginal group that the Germans forced into power.

    Replies: @Beckow

  289. @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    They elected Viktor Yanukovych, and got Victor Poroshenko. Then they elected Zelensky and, by 2021 Ukraine was being ran with Poroshenko's policies. That meant Russia was officially governed by Vladimir Putin but began enacting the ideas of Vladimir Zhirinovsky, whereby Russian men were needed in Ukraine because all the women there are nymphomaniacs. Ukraine got the Russia they created.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You mean that old boy Putler who “began enacting the ideas of Joseph Stalin, don’t you?Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/-russia-russians-russian_politicians-development-vladimir_putin-whin376_low.jpg

    Gorbachev is the outlier among Russian leaders. I think Putin is par for the course, and Ukraine got many warnings over the years. The trouble was that Ukraine believed in America which thought it had 'won the Cold War and defeated the Soviet Union'. But Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative. With Gorbachev in the Kremlin could Ukraine could have gotten away with leaving Russia's orbit? Maybe. Then again maybe not because Gorbachev did not intend many of the centrifugal consequences of his actions. And his initiatives came in the aftermath of an oil price collapse. Russia under Putin made very clear that Ukraine was going to lose its eastern half were it to enter the orbit of the West, which Ukraine chose to ignore.

    Replies: @Derer, @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?
     
    Ukraine got the Ukraine that the svidos desired, as evidenced by the large number of Ukrainians who left that entity before Feb 24 as well as afterwards.

    Russia is doing comparatively much better:

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1540579358158495744

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  290. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    ...The difference is that Hitler saw Jews living anywhere as an existential threat...He did not regard Slavs as an existential threat, he just wanted the territory that they happened to be living on. Hitler was fine with a rump Slavic state in Siberia
     
    It is the same thing.

    Until WWII Nazis seriously tried to force migrate the Jews to Madagascar or Palestine and allowed them to leave till 1939 or so. That conflicts with what you say about 'existential threat'.

    We can't see into Hitler's mind, but the distinction you are making was in practise not that significant. They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone. That was what German Nazism was about and you denied the Slavic part. Nazis also saw the English (and Norwegians :) as potential allies and treated them very differently.

    Replies: @German_reader

    They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone.

    That’s at least an over-simplification. There was also an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples. In Danzig-West Prussia and Silesia lots of ethnic Poles were put on Deutsche Volksliste. Even Himmler and Heydrich viewed assimilation of Slavs they considered racially valuable as part of their programme. E. g. in his infamous comments about the future treatment of Poland (no need for anything beyond elementary education) Himmler also mentioned that a minority of Poles deemed loyal and racially suitable should be sent to the Reich for assimilation. iirc there was talk of 50% or even more of Czechs to be assimilated into Germandom.
    Whereas there never was the possibility of Jews being assimilated (even in those cases who actually already were assimilated to a significant extent), who were seen as the irredeemable archantagonists.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples.
     
    Correct. But it amounts to the same thing: we would be gone. Forced assimilation off some and killing off others is a genocide.

    There was a lot more variety of views and proposed solutions for the Slavs than for the Jews. There was a hierarchy: some were 'ok, for now', some to be assimilated, some to push beyond the Urals, and some to be killed. (Nothing like that was ever even raised about the Norwegians.)

    This was 2 generations ago. We all have elderly relatives who lived through this. To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region - and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims - is in very bad taste. So if there is a blow-back we shouldn't be surprised.

    Replies: @German_reader

  291. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality.
     
    If it makes you happy, I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants (both Russians and their enemies) at all.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started.
     
    I don't think that's true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it's you who's extremely one-sided, since you don't seem to see anything problematic with Russia's methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    …I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants

    Most inhabitants of that region would agree, including the part about being annoyed by ourselves. Yet as a country, and the West in general, you can’t let go. Maybe the resources, or women, or there is something deeply flawed on your psyche. Maybe even subconscious revenge for WWII.

    Nato intentionally stirred this up and when the sh.t hit the fan absolutely refused to even discuss a compromise. Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes. She is either a certifiable nut or she is not getting enough of that. In either case, the German men have failed. Again.

    problematic with Russia’s methods…and have indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    I object to all war methods – war is a crime, but we need to criticise all sides, including the people who are cheering it on from Washington, London or Berlin. I specifically said that Russia taking over the Black See coast is a big problem for Europe, I just don’t see how that can be prevented now. The primary fault lies with those who couldn’t compromise. There is no way the war would be going on if Merkel-Macron had to balls to force Kiev to accept the Minsk deal – and to tell Washington to mind its own business and fight its wars somewhere else. Instead they puffed-up with slogans, now for the consequences.

    (By the way, thanks for the WWII reference. I will look into it. But it seems very small – it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless. Or so they said after WWII.)

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Beckow


    And yet, as country, and West in general, you can’t let go.
     
    Far too many Eastern Europeans are living in the West for this to happen. Substantial numbers have now also become citizens of Western countries, makes it even less likely.
  292. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    They wanted both Slavs and Jews gone.
     
    That's at least an over-simplification. There was also an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples. In Danzig-West Prussia and Silesia lots of ethnic Poles were put on Deutsche Volksliste. Even Himmler and Heydrich viewed assimilation of Slavs they considered racially valuable as part of their programme. E. g. in his infamous comments about the future treatment of Poland (no need for anything beyond elementary education) Himmler also mentioned that a minority of Poles deemed loyal and racially suitable should be sent to the Reich for assimilation. iirc there was talk of 50% or even more of Czechs to be assimilated into Germandom.
    Whereas there never was the possibility of Jews being assimilated (even in those cases who actually already were assimilated to a significant extent), who were seen as the irredeemable archantagonists.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples.

    Correct. But it amounts to the same thing: we would be gone. Forced assimilation off some and killing off others is a genocide.

    There was a lot more variety of views and proposed solutions for the Slavs than for the Jews. There was a hierarchy: some were ‘ok, for now‘, some to be assimilated, some to push beyond the Urals, and some to be killed. (Nothing like that was ever even raised about the Norwegians.)

    This was 2 generations ago. We all have elderly relatives who lived through this. To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region – and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims – is in very bad taste. So if there is a blow-back we shouldn’t be surprised.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region – and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims – is in very bad taste.
     
    Lol. You blame Germany for not being accommodating enough towards Russia...and the other half of Eastern Europe comes with their "Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0, Germans and Russians are cooperating again to dominate our region" nonsense. One just can't win.

    Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes.
     
    iirc just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn't drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership. I can't stand Scholz for various domestic reasons, but regarding Ukraine he's driven by events, he's not really in charge of anything. The decisions are made elsewhere.
    Don't know who the Fräulein is supposed to be...Baerbock, von der Leyen? Sure, they're all appalling.

    it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless.

     

    Sure, I can believe they weren't enthusiastic, and the book I cited also mentions that some units just concluded unofficial armistices with the partisans or sympathized with the local population. But you don't even have to be especially ideologically committed to commit atrocities in anti-partisan warfare. Sometimes the general circumstances (losing comrades to an unseen enemy using unfair methods like booby traps) can already be enough.

    Replies: @Beckow

  293. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants
     
    Most inhabitants of that region would agree, including the part about being annoyed by ourselves. Yet as a country, and the West in general, you can't let go. Maybe the resources, or women, or there is something deeply flawed on your psyche. Maybe even subconscious revenge for WWII.

    Nato intentionally stirred this up and when the sh.t hit the fan absolutely refused to even discuss a compromise. Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes. She is either a certifiable nut or she is not getting enough of that. In either case, the German men have failed. Again.


    problematic with Russia’s methods...and have indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.
     
    I object to all war methods - war is a crime, but we need to criticise all sides, including the people who are cheering it on from Washington, London or Berlin. I specifically said that Russia taking over the Black See coast is a big problem for Europe, I just don't see how that can be prevented now. The primary fault lies with those who couldn't compromise. There is no way the war would be going on if Merkel-Macron had to balls to force Kiev to accept the Minsk deal - and to tell Washington to mind its own business and fight its wars somewhere else. Instead they puffed-up with slogans, now for the consequences.

    (By the way, thanks for the WWII reference. I will look into it. But it seems very small - it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless. Or so they said after WWII.)

    Replies: @Coconuts

    And yet, as country, and West in general, you can’t let go.

    Far too many Eastern Europeans are living in the West for this to happen. Substantial numbers have now also become citizens of Western countries, makes it even less likely.

  294. @Derer
    @AP

    Slovaks gained, under duress or fake, independence because they chose lesser evil, being Hitler's puppet state at reduced size or to disappear to enlarged Nazi Hungary and some to Poland.

    Replies: @AP

    The far right Slovak Peoples Party who allied with Hitler was the most popular party in Slovakia before the war. This wasn’t some marginal group that the Germans forced into power.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war. It was a traditional, catholic, nationalist, conservative party. It had social policies to compete with the socialists and was hostile to Hungary, Czechs, atheists and working women.

    In March 1939 they were forced by Germany to declare 'independence' or Slovakia would be occupied by Hungary - if you don't understand how Slovaks feel about Hungary you don't understand anything. They chose independence. After that the party radicalized and they paid a very high price for it after 1945 - there were literally eliminated from the society - and not by commies, mostly by Prague-based restored Czecho-Slovakia.

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.

    Replies: @AP

  295. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...an element of forced assimilation in Nazi policies towards Slavic peoples.
     
    Correct. But it amounts to the same thing: we would be gone. Forced assimilation off some and killing off others is a genocide.

    There was a lot more variety of views and proposed solutions for the Slavs than for the Jews. There was a hierarchy: some were 'ok, for now', some to be assimilated, some to push beyond the Urals, and some to be killed. (Nothing like that was ever even raised about the Norwegians.)

    This was 2 generations ago. We all have elderly relatives who lived through this. To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region - and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims - is in very bad taste. So if there is a blow-back we shouldn't be surprised.

    Replies: @German_reader

    To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region – and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims – is in very bad taste.

    Lol. You blame Germany for not being accommodating enough towards Russia…and the other half of Eastern Europe comes with their “Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0, Germans and Russians are cooperating again to dominate our region” nonsense. One just can’t win.

    Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes.

    iirc just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn’t drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership. I can’t stand Scholz for various domestic reasons, but regarding Ukraine he’s driven by events, he’s not really in charge of anything. The decisions are made elsewhere.
    Don’t know who the Fräulein is supposed to be…Baerbock, von der Leyen? Sure, they’re all appalling.

    it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless.

    Sure, I can believe they weren’t enthusiastic, and the book I cited also mentions that some units just concluded unofficial armistices with the partisans or sympathized with the local population. But you don’t even have to be especially ideologically committed to commit atrocities in anti-partisan warfare. Sometimes the general circumstances (losing comrades to an unseen enemy using unfair methods like booby traps) can already be enough.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader

    When you endlessly meddle you will be blamed by both sides. When did we ever meddle in your affairs? Don't you see the fundamental difference?


    just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn’t drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership.
     
    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk. Instead he giggled about the civilians killed by Kiev in Donbas and Nato bombing of Kosovo. But all of that should had been done earlier, for 8 years Merkel helped to stall it. They knew what was going on, they knew about Kiev committed atrocities, they had to know that eventually Russia will act.

    I was refering to the green turtle, Fräulein Baerbock. I don't think Leyen bikes, she looks more like a horse woman.

    Replies: @German_reader

  296. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    To mindlessly assist in starting another war in this region – and have the retard Sholz giggle about the victims – is in very bad taste.
     
    Lol. You blame Germany for not being accommodating enough towards Russia...and the other half of Eastern Europe comes with their "Molotov-Ribbentropp 2.0, Germans and Russians are cooperating again to dominate our region" nonsense. One just can't win.

    Your noble thought is not shared by the bald accountant in charge of Germany, or by the bike-riding Fraulein who would like to burn the east to ashes.
     
    iirc just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn't drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership. I can't stand Scholz for various domestic reasons, but regarding Ukraine he's driven by events, he's not really in charge of anything. The decisions are made elsewhere.
    Don't know who the Fräulein is supposed to be...Baerbock, von der Leyen? Sure, they're all appalling.

    it would be very unusual for Slovak soldiers, they were by all accounts completely unmotivated and useless.

     

    Sure, I can believe they weren't enthusiastic, and the book I cited also mentions that some units just concluded unofficial armistices with the partisans or sympathized with the local population. But you don't even have to be especially ideologically committed to commit atrocities in anti-partisan warfare. Sometimes the general circumstances (losing comrades to an unseen enemy using unfair methods like booby traps) can already be enough.

    Replies: @Beckow

    When you endlessly meddle you will be blamed by both sides. When did we ever meddle in your affairs? Don’t you see the fundamental difference?

    just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn’t drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership.

    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk. Instead he giggled about the civilians killed by Kiev in Donbas and Nato bombing of Kosovo. But all of that should had been done earlier, for 8 years Merkel helped to stall it. They knew what was going on, they knew about Kiev committed atrocities, they had to know that eventually Russia will act.

    I was refering to the green turtle, Fräulein Baerbock. I don’t think Leyen bikes, she looks more like a horse woman.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk.
     
    "Insisted" would have meant applying pressure on Ukraine, like saying "Do it or we're cutting off funding". And then Ukraine would have brought up the mirror image of your argument..."You can't sell us out like that, you owe us, you killed so many of our people in WW2". And so on. And the Americans would still have pushed on with their military involvement in Ukraine, it's not like they've ever been dissuaded from any of their other projects by German reluctance. Like I said, one just can't win.
    Anyway, this is all pretty pointless now. Question is how one gets out of this war in an acceptable way. If that's even possible after all this senseless carnage.

    Replies: @Beckow

  297. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader

    When you endlessly meddle you will be blamed by both sides. When did we ever meddle in your affairs? Don't you see the fundamental difference?


    just before the start of the war Scholz asked Zelensky if he couldn’t drop the idea of Ukrainian NATO membership.
     
    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk. Instead he giggled about the civilians killed by Kiev in Donbas and Nato bombing of Kosovo. But all of that should had been done earlier, for 8 years Merkel helped to stall it. They knew what was going on, they knew about Kiev committed atrocities, they had to know that eventually Russia will act.

    I was refering to the green turtle, Fräulein Baerbock. I don't think Leyen bikes, she looks more like a horse woman.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk.

    “Insisted” would have meant applying pressure on Ukraine, like saying “Do it or we’re cutting off funding”. And then Ukraine would have brought up the mirror image of your argument…”You can’t sell us out like that, you owe us, you killed so many of our people in WW2″. And so on. And the Americans would still have pushed on with their military involvement in Ukraine, it’s not like they’ve ever been dissuaded from any of their other projects by German reluctance. Like I said, one just can’t win.
    Anyway, this is all pretty pointless now. Question is how one gets out of this war in an acceptable way. If that’s even possible after all this senseless carnage.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader

    If you fund someone you have leverage, Kiev was dependent on EU and Germany. Rational move would be to use it. But you are right, it is water under the bridge now...There is no viable way to get out of the war acceptable to all sides.

    The West is hoping for some kind of a stalemate and that the exhausted Russia will stop. Not likely.

    Russia is getting a once-in-a-generation opportunity to grab what it wants like the Black See coast. Their appetite could grow. That's why it was so incredibly stupid to goad them into this war. You never do that with a stronger opponent on his doorsteps.


    ....one just can’t win.
     
    That leaves losing. Kiev, Poland, the West in general will have to get used to it. They had a great thing going and with a stupid over-reach they threw it away. That's the real story, there is not much else that will be remembered. If we are around to remember.
  298. Thread about that seminar on “decolonization” of Russia (apparently sponsored by the US government):

    Crazy, this stuff cannot be but repellent even to Russians who have misgivings about the current war.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    I talk to some Russians and the idea has way more currency among anti war Russians than you'd expect

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

  299. @German_reader
    Thread about that seminar on "decolonization" of Russia (apparently sponsored by the US government):
    https://twitter.com/Sven_Etienne/status/1540000454138028032

    Crazy, this stuff cannot be but repellent even to Russians who have misgivings about the current war.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I talk to some Russians and the idea has way more currency among anti war Russians than you’d expect

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    So they think that breaking up Russia into several statelets is going to lead to anything good for Russians?
    Are they also homosexuals or satanists?

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    , @Beckow
    @Greasy William

    I talked to an old lady and she thought that China and Australia should merge and then split into 10 equal parts....she thought it would be cool. Also unexpected.

    Was that the same old lady you talked to?

  300. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    I talk to some Russians and the idea has way more currency among anti war Russians than you'd expect

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    So they think that breaking up Russia into several statelets is going to lead to anything good for Russians?
    Are they also homosexuals or satanists?

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller "Russik" countries. They believe that Russia's size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216, @Barbarossa, @S, @German_reader

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire (for Russians) and from the Russians (for at least nonslavic nonrussians). From the Russian nationalism, is not so unsensible, in terms of Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Tuva.

    Nationalist Russians are often even racist against larger nationalities like Tatars, that suffer increasing intermarriage rates. Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation, as the intermarriage rate is unsustainable for them.

    For the nationalist Tatars, it's really an emergency situation this century, as the Tatar population will dissolve even in the ethnic sense in the next few generation. So it's more of a dangerous situation for the nationalists among the minority nationalities at the moment.

    A problem is that Russia's economy is based in resource extraction and a lot of the resources are in the nonslavic land.

    For example, Alrosa (one of the most important employers in Russia, the world's largest diamond mining corporation), is primarily wealthy from the diamonds of Yakutia.

    If you separate from Yakuts, you would lose the wealth under their feet. This separation would be great for Yakuts, currently they are being asset stripped. They would be able to invest the wealth in their own territory. But it would be very bad for Russia, or at least Moscow, as the sources of income would fall.

    Multiracial empire is intrinsic in the economic structure of the country, when the wealth of Moscow is not from industry, but because resources are flowing through there from across the world's largest country.

    Also the claim Greasy says about there would be improvement of governance for Russians as a result of this, seems utopian, considering how poorly the leaders of the postsoviet nationalities which are able to be have their own country have been (E.g. Ukraine, Belarus).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thulean Friend, @Derer

  301. @AP
    @Derer

    The far right Slovak Peoples Party who allied with Hitler was the most popular party in Slovakia before the war. This wasn’t some marginal group that the Germans forced into power.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war. It was a traditional, catholic, nationalist, conservative party. It had social policies to compete with the socialists and was hostile to Hungary, Czechs, atheists and working women.

    In March 1939 they were forced by Germany to declare ‘independence’ or Slovakia would be occupied by Hungary – if you don’t understand how Slovaks feel about Hungary you don’t understand anything. They chose independence. After that the party radicalized and they paid a very high price for it after 1945 – there were literally eliminated from the society – and not by commies, mostly by Prague-based restored Czecho-Slovakia.

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    There is something deeply funny about a guy falsely accusing Norway and other Western countries as being part of a Nazi crusade so desperately trying and failing to whitewash his own country which actually was an ally of Nazi Germany.


    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war
     
    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Slovak Peoples Party founder and leader Hlinka, 1936:

    “I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany."

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.
     
    You must be looking in the mirror.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer, @German_reader

  302. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Scholz should had insisted, and also ask Zelko to implement Minsk.
     
    "Insisted" would have meant applying pressure on Ukraine, like saying "Do it or we're cutting off funding". And then Ukraine would have brought up the mirror image of your argument..."You can't sell us out like that, you owe us, you killed so many of our people in WW2". And so on. And the Americans would still have pushed on with their military involvement in Ukraine, it's not like they've ever been dissuaded from any of their other projects by German reluctance. Like I said, one just can't win.
    Anyway, this is all pretty pointless now. Question is how one gets out of this war in an acceptable way. If that's even possible after all this senseless carnage.

    Replies: @Beckow

    If you fund someone you have leverage, Kiev was dependent on EU and Germany. Rational move would be to use it. But you are right, it is water under the bridge now…There is no viable way to get out of the war acceptable to all sides.

    The West is hoping for some kind of a stalemate and that the exhausted Russia will stop. Not likely.

    Russia is getting a once-in-a-generation opportunity to grab what it wants like the Black See coast. Their appetite could grow. That’s why it was so incredibly stupid to goad them into this war. You never do that with a stronger opponent on his doorsteps.

    ….one just can’t win.

    That leaves losing. Kiev, Poland, the West in general will have to get used to it. They had a great thing going and with a stupid over-reach they threw it away. That’s the real story, there is not much else that will be remembered. If we are around to remember.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  303. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    I talk to some Russians and the idea has way more currency among anti war Russians than you'd expect

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    I talked to an old lady and she thought that China and Australia should merge and then split into 10 equal parts….she thought it would be cool. Also unexpected.

    Was that the same old lady you talked to?

  304. @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    So they think that breaking up Russia into several statelets is going to lead to anything good for Russians?
    Are they also homosexuals or satanists?

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller “Russik” countries. They believe that Russia’s size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    What's the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.

    Lenin and Stalin were communists first and foremost. Stalin moreso. Not even a Russian.

    Putin is just a very ordinary Russian.

    Replies: @S

    , @216
    @Greasy William

    Maybe Russia should take its own medicine, and stop trying to further separatism in the US and the EU.

    , @Barbarossa
    @Greasy William

    I reply to German Reader, I was going to guess that they are running on similar assumptions as right leaning people in the US in favor of breaking up the country, or in the case of NY, breaking up the state to separate upstate and downstate.

    In the US anyhow the assumption seems to be that policy can more effectively tailored to local conservatism and cultural mores if it is disassociated from an overwhelmingly liberal federal blob. It's worth noting that some liberals operate under a similar premise. We'll see if liberal secessionism becomes more vocal now that Roe v. Wade has been struck down, LOL.

    I'm guessing that the Russians that you are talking to are reacting to the countries' size leading to top down policies which make local interests feel marginalized. This seems plausible at least.

    , @S
    @Greasy William


    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller “Russik” countries.
     
    That's just what the 1853 book, The New Rome, says in a roundabout way. Russia is simply too big to be allowed to succeed. No comment is made by the book's authors about the United States possibly being too big 'to manage', indeed, the United States according to it, is to absorb the entire world. [Note: I am not an advocate for what this mid-19th century book says.]


    https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-1F1U0gBMi4M/V2M0KRs3qMI/AAAAAAAAKXo/lBtmDL-9-McBjzk3ZskSmoRuBUqC9RztQCLcB/s1600/The%2Bstandoff%2Bat%2BCheckpoint%2BCharlie%2BSoviet%2Btanks%2Bfacing%2BAmerican%2Btanks%252C%2B1961%2B%25281%2529.jpg


    'Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world's stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.' The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) - pg 109

    Interestingly, shortly before this book's 1853 publication, the British Foreign Secretary and future Prime Minister Lord Palmerston had launched his 'New Rome' campaign from London. According to Tarpley, who can be something of a mixed bag, this future 'New Rome' of Palmerston's was to encompass the entire globe, and not 'merely' a quarter of it, as the British Empire had achieved circa 1905.

    The 1853 New Rome book outlines just how to do that in three succinct steps:


    https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/IMhqepQl-WhzWu5KD2Szk7eWDlw=/0x0:2463x1555/720x0/filters:focal(0x0:2463x1555):format(webp):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6088337/capital-vs-cathedral.0.png


    1) End the false split which has been in place between America and Britain since 1776, so that together the US and UK can form a practically unbeatable united front towards the world.

    2) The US/UK conquer and gain control of Germany, the center of power upon continental Europe. [The book's two authors acknowledge that in so doing the US/UK will assuredly unleash a 'world's war' upon the Earth.]

    3) Smash Russia [The US air force, according to this book, is to be the key to America's victory here.]

    Did I mention that Theodore Poesche, one of the New Rome book's two authors, having fled the failed 1848 revolution in Germany had resided in London during 1850, the very same time and place from whence Palmerston would purportedly launch his 'New Rome' campaign?

    From Tarpley's article linked below. He makes no mention of the 1853 New Rome book. If he is like most people, he has no awareness it exist.

    A NEW ROMAN EMPIRE

    'It is 1850. Lord Palmerston is engaged in a campaign to make London the undisputed center of a new, worldwide Roman Empire. He is attempting to conquer the world in the way that the British have already conquered India, reducing every other nation to the role of a puppet, client, and fall-guy for British imperial policy. Lord Palmerston’s campaign is not a secret. He has declared it here in the Houses of Parliament, saying that wherever in the world a British subject goes, he can flaunt the laws, secure that the British fleet will support him. “Civis Romanus sum, every Briton is a citizen of this new Rome,” thundered Lord Palmerston, and with that, the universal empire was proclaimed.'
     
    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/lord-palmerstons-multicultural-human-zoo/
    , @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    Probably wouldn't hurt if there was some de-centralisation in Russia instead of everything being managed top-down, but breaking up the country into several states would go way too far imo, probably also lead to a lot of bloodshed if it's done under the banner of anti-Russian "decolonization".
    Thanks for your answer though, while I think your interlocutors are naive and misguided, it's interesting that such people exist.

  305. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war. It was a traditional, catholic, nationalist, conservative party. It had social policies to compete with the socialists and was hostile to Hungary, Czechs, atheists and working women.

    In March 1939 they were forced by Germany to declare 'independence' or Slovakia would be occupied by Hungary - if you don't understand how Slovaks feel about Hungary you don't understand anything. They chose independence. After that the party radicalized and they paid a very high price for it after 1945 - there were literally eliminated from the society - and not by commies, mostly by Prague-based restored Czecho-Slovakia.

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.

    Replies: @AP

    There is something deeply funny about a guy falsely accusing Norway and other Western countries as being part of a Nazi crusade so desperately trying and failing to whitewash his own country which actually was an ally of Nazi Germany.

    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war

    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Slovak Peoples Party founder and leader Hlinka, 1936:

    “I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany.”

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.

    You must be looking in the mirror.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Quisling is one of the bywords for Axis collaborator in the Anglophone world. It's no accident. He even married a ukie.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Derer
    @AP

    If Hitler would have died in 1939, he would have been hailed as the best German Chancellor. Consequently, in 1936 many (besides Hlinka) praised him for making Germany world power from the WWI destruction and the Versailles unfair punishment. It was all destroyed by his war antics and the victors propaganda. I am not talking about that period, which you are most influenced by.

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    At the very least, there was admiration.
     
    Apparently there were somewhat divergent factions, Hlinka and Tiso were more the sort of traditional Catholic authoritarians, but there was a hardline Slovak fascist and pro-Nazi faction (led by Vojtech Tuka and Alexander Mach), which gained in power under the influence of the alliance with Germany and was instrumental in the deportation of the Jews (when Slovakia wasn't actually occupied by the Germans, so presumably might have avoided that, like Hungary did until 1944). I agree that Beckow's fixation on Norway's alleged guilt is strange given that background.
  306. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller "Russik" countries. They believe that Russia's size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216, @Barbarossa, @S, @German_reader

    What’s the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.

    Lenin and Stalin were communists first and foremost. Stalin moreso. Not even a Russian.

    Putin is just a very ordinary Russian.

    • Replies: @S
    @Wokechoke


    What’s the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.
     
    The aforementioned New Rome book published in 1853 deleves into that. The reader should be aware that the book's two authors were both German in origin. Naturally, and with reason, people everywhere tend to prefer their own to rule over them.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Tsar_Nicholas_II_%26_King_George_V.JPG/339px-Tsar_Nicholas_II_%26_King_George_V.JPG

    Nicholas II of Russia and George V of Britain (right) wearing German military uniforms in Berlin (1913).

    'Russia, as an empire, is a German colony; the Varegers, who established their power in Moscow in the tenth century, were Northmen... The Emperor is but a disaffected proconsul of our [German] empire. He fights with our weapons, and under our flag. The present imperial family is even more immediately and exclusively German; St. Petersburg is notoriously a German colony, founded upon German principles. All the Emperor's children are married to Germans; the State's Chancellor is a German...The leading officers of the government, civil as well as military, are drawn from the nobility of Livonia, who are of the pure lineage of the Teutonic knights...The Universities of Russia are German...' The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) - pg 109 - 111
     
    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia
  307. @AP
    @Beckow

    There is something deeply funny about a guy falsely accusing Norway and other Western countries as being part of a Nazi crusade so desperately trying and failing to whitewash his own country which actually was an ally of Nazi Germany.


    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war
     
    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Slovak Peoples Party founder and leader Hlinka, 1936:

    “I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany."

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.
     
    You must be looking in the mirror.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer, @German_reader

    Quisling is one of the bywords for Axis collaborator in the Anglophone world. It’s no accident. He even married a ukie.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling's party was so unpopular in Norway that it couldn't win a single parliamentary seat.

    The Nazi collaborationist Slovak party, in contrast, were the most popular party in the country.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  308. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Quisling is one of the bywords for Axis collaborator in the Anglophone world. It's no accident. He even married a ukie.

    Replies: @AP

    Quisling’s party was so unpopular in Norway that it couldn’t win a single parliamentary seat.

    The Nazi collaborationist Slovak party, in contrast, were the most popular party in the country.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Quisling was ahead of the game though. He married a ukie and was a Kharkovian.

    Replies: @AP

  309. @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    You mean that old boy Putler who "began enacting the ideas of Joseph Stalin, don't you?
    https://image.cagle.com/260327/750/260327.png
    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    Replies: @Sean, @Mikhail


    Gorbachev is the outlier among Russian leaders. I think Putin is par for the course, and Ukraine got many warnings over the years. The trouble was that Ukraine believed in America which thought it had ‘won the Cold War and defeated the Soviet Union’. But Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative. With Gorbachev in the Kremlin could Ukraine could have gotten away with leaving Russia’s orbit? Maybe. Then again maybe not because Gorbachev did not intend many of the centrifugal consequences of his actions. And his initiatives came in the aftermath of an oil price collapse. Russia under Putin made very clear that Ukraine was going to lose its eastern half were it to enter the orbit of the West, which Ukraine chose to ignore.

    • Replies: @Derer
    @Sean

    Gorbachev was naive fool who greatly damaged Russia by not insisting on NATO dissolution when pulling 300000 army from East Germany and dissolving the Warsaw Pact. I presume you understand the consequences of that decision for the present situation. BTW, Yeltsin was naive fool who allowed the destruction of Serbia. If a Russian leader is slandered by foreign adversaries and enemies, he is the one Russians will support and elect.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Sean


    Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative.
     
    I agree. Putler's gotten hold of some sort of a cleansing agent that does a wonderful job of shielding him from public scrutiny, even amongst some commenters here that should know better, well almost:

    https://image.politicalcartoons.com/262241/600/ethnic-cleansing-in-ukraine.png

  310. @AP
    @Beckow

    There is something deeply funny about a guy falsely accusing Norway and other Western countries as being part of a Nazi crusade so desperately trying and failing to whitewash his own country which actually was an ally of Nazi Germany.


    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war
     
    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Slovak Peoples Party founder and leader Hlinka, 1936:

    “I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany."

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.
     
    You must be looking in the mirror.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer, @German_reader

    If Hitler would have died in 1939, he would have been hailed as the best German Chancellor. Consequently, in 1936 many (besides Hlinka) praised him for making Germany world power from the WWI destruction and the Versailles unfair punishment. It was all destroyed by his war antics and the victors propaganda. I am not talking about that period, which you are most influenced by.

  311. @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/-russia-russians-russian_politicians-development-vladimir_putin-whin376_low.jpg

    Gorbachev is the outlier among Russian leaders. I think Putin is par for the course, and Ukraine got many warnings over the years. The trouble was that Ukraine believed in America which thought it had 'won the Cold War and defeated the Soviet Union'. But Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative. With Gorbachev in the Kremlin could Ukraine could have gotten away with leaving Russia's orbit? Maybe. Then again maybe not because Gorbachev did not intend many of the centrifugal consequences of his actions. And his initiatives came in the aftermath of an oil price collapse. Russia under Putin made very clear that Ukraine was going to lose its eastern half were it to enter the orbit of the West, which Ukraine chose to ignore.

    Replies: @Derer, @Mr. Hack

    Gorbachev was naive fool who greatly damaged Russia by not insisting on NATO dissolution when pulling 300000 army from East Germany and dissolving the Warsaw Pact. I presume you understand the consequences of that decision for the present situation. BTW, Yeltsin was naive fool who allowed the destruction of Serbia. If a Russian leader is slandered by foreign adversaries and enemies, he is the one Russians will support and elect.

  312. @Greasy William
    @Wokechoke

    You ever read Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze? Best book on Nazi ideology and strategy ever written. Explains the logic behind a lot of German decisions that seem stupid or even insane. There truly was a brutal logic to all Nazi policies.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    I read The Deluge, I probably read the wrong book.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    If you have any interest in Nazi political philosophy, I would definitely read Wages of Destruction. After reading the book, Hitler's speeches suddenly made total sense to me whereas before I thought he just sounded like a lunatic. It was Wages that made me see that Nazism genuinely saw itself as a defensive movement to protect Germany from dismemberment as opposed to an aggressive, expansionist and genocidal movement.

    Obvs I'm not endorsing Hitler's philosophy, but Wages allowed me to understand it.

  313. @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/lowres.cartoonstock.com/-russia-russians-russian_politicians-development-vladimir_putin-whin376_low.jpg

    Gorbachev is the outlier among Russian leaders. I think Putin is par for the course, and Ukraine got many warnings over the years. The trouble was that Ukraine believed in America which thought it had 'won the Cold War and defeated the Soviet Union'. But Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative. With Gorbachev in the Kremlin could Ukraine could have gotten away with leaving Russia's orbit? Maybe. Then again maybe not because Gorbachev did not intend many of the centrifugal consequences of his actions. And his initiatives came in the aftermath of an oil price collapse. Russia under Putin made very clear that Ukraine was going to lose its eastern half were it to enter the orbit of the West, which Ukraine chose to ignore.

    Replies: @Derer, @Mr. Hack

    Russia is a lot more difficult to intimidate or exhaust than in the Western narrative.

    I agree. Putler’s gotten hold of some sort of a cleansing agent that does a wonderful job of shielding him from public scrutiny, even amongst some commenters here that should know better, well almost:

  314. @Sean
    @Verymuchalive


    Zelensky is just a Zionist and Western stooge, granted.
     
    In 2019, by which time 13, 000 had died and well over a million had fled the region including hundreds of thousands to the RF, Zelensky agreed to the deal brokered by France and Germany, whereby the people of the ‘so called’ Donetsk People’s Republic' could have elections with international observers) without the Russian Federation troops withdrawing. In return Zelensky/ Ukraine would recognize those elections and the special status of the region, but the man Zelensky defeated ex President Petro Poroshenko (orchestrator of the mass demos that brought about the overthrow of duly elected ethic Ukrainian presidents in 2004 and 2014) said Zelensky was agreeing to the “Putin Formula ”. Poroshenko supported the “veterans” who had served in the Donbas conflict who had been demonstrating against the “surrender.” in staged demonstrations outside his office in Kiev.
    https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/0C03/production/_109057030_a007fe10-10f8-4680-a02e-bb90d1255321.jpg

    It seems quite likely that Zelensky feared doing what he was elected to do and Germany, France Russian and even American diplomats wanted him to do ( , because the thought he was going to get the same treatment as Yanukovych from Poroshenko and his street muscle. Zelensky is currently having Poroshenko charged with treason). This is the trouble when you start overruling the country's electorate with a activist demos. Anyway, America was mildly favorable to the Steinmeier Formula implementation plan of Minsk per the Organisation of Security and Cooperation in Europe, which Zelensky was elected saying he would go forwards with . Not stopping bur rather amping up the fighting in the Donbas region was a good move for Zelensky’s personal aggrandizement, but not for his country–or anyone else’s.

    While Poroshenko was still Ukrainian President had a law passed requiring the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate to rename itself the Russian Orthodox Church in Ukraine. In early 2019 president Poroshenko secured a decree making Ukraine's Orthodox Church independent and travelled to Istanbul in person to receive the decree from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople. Bartholomew I. There was a celebration and rally on Christmas Day. Poroshenko is not a normal politician, he mixes being a billionaire with street intimidation, his strength lies in huge rallies in the capitol city's main square. He did impose a proper military ethos on the Ukrainian army, inasmuch it was made clear they were expected to die rather than rill over as happened in Crimea in 2014. Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.

    Yes, of course, he had no intention of actually abiding by it, but neither had Zelensky. Zelensky, a Zionist Jew, was bankrolled by the main Ukrainian Jewish oligarch Kholomoisky after Poroshenko nationalised Kholomoisky’s bank. Kholomoisky also bankrolled the Azov Regiment , which was widely regarded as his own private army.
    Please read Thomas Dalton’s informative article on the subject.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-world-war-three/

    And here’s wee Volodya saying how he wants Ukraine to be a “big Israel”. No surprise who’s playing the part of the Palestinians.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Verymuchalive

    I agree these are compelling. As theoretical interpretations of the limited data us little guys have of what may only be described factually as secret machinations. I suspect they are so secret that Vladimir Putin himself only has a grasp of 67% of a story that makes complete consistent sense.

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Sean
    @Verymuchalive

    No, Kholomoisky was initially influential in the election of Zelensky while he was campaigning as if favouring a settlement with Russia to end the Donbass conflict, but he Kholomoisky fled the country after a fall out with out with Zelensky shortly after he as President got intimidated by Azov and Poroshenko into doing a U-turn on concessions to the separatists to stop the fighting, The Dnipro-1 Regiment were the creatures of Kholomoisky, while Azov has older, more ideologically nationalist roots, less dependent on patrons, and are the politically influential force in their own right that ended Zelensky’s intention to participate in the Normandy Format negotiations to disengage in eastern Ukraine.

    The Normandy format consisted of the presidents of Ukraine and Russia, plus France and Germany. As part of this process which he had restarted on taking office, Zelensky agreed to the 'Steinmeier formula', which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev. Admittedly some parts Western Ukraine were opposed; nonetheless, the key event was on October 6 when members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber “Stop Capitulation”)demonstration of 10,000 people , especially the more paramilitary aspects seen in the photo above. It was Azov members who Poroshenko said were the 'veterans' he supported in protesting Zelensky's willingness to grant special status to Donbass. Poroshenko is a billionaire and had proven ability to orchestrate mass protest to overthrow an elected Ukrainian president. So Zelensky did a U-turn, and presumable this was when Putin started to think full on war was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind.

  315. @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    But please enlighten on Khamenei.
     
    It is irrefutable, proven fact that Khamenei abrogated JCPOA while Obama was still in office. The deal was already dead before Trump was sworn in. This is a religious leader who violated his own religious edict. Hypocrisy!

    Khamenei is willing to abuse his own citizens in multiple ways. (1)


    For the past two weeks in Iran a large number of people, perhaps hundreds of thousands, have been protesting in more than 100 cities to vent their anger against a system that they consider to be corrupt, incompetent and oppressive. The movement was triggered by the collapse of a tall building in Abadan, which claimed dozens of lives. For the first time, some protesters there started chanting "Down with Khamenei", targeting Iran's "Supreme Guide". Pictured: The collapsed building in Abadan, on May 23, 2022. (Photo by Tasnim News/AFP via Getty Images)
     
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/pics/2742.jpg

    In the past decade, Iran has witnessed at least three major nationwide uprisings that shook the regime but led to no major change of direction. In every case, the regime succeeded in reasserting its control with a mixture of bribes and brutality, while taking advantage of the fact that the protests did not produce a coherent opposition leadership at the national level.
     
    The folly of excessive spending on foreign violence, notably Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria has come home to roost. The Iranian people want change.

    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE's is ending Khamenei's senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/18585/iran-summer-discontent

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    You say:
    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. This man will open the Majlis once or twice a year, but he will largely confine himself to matters spiritual. He will be a titular head of state.

    Iran won’t open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries – anywhere it has, more or less, stable political relations. This is the future – foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Verymuchalive

    This is the future – foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    So basically globalism but not just America doing it.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. ... He will be a titular head of state.
     
    That is certainly a possibility if Khamenei goes down in the next year or two.

    His health status is not publicly available, but he does not show any Biden like mental deterioration that indicates a near term departure from power. Khamenei could hang on for another decade. The situation in Iran is so tenuous that it is likely to blow up before then.



    The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.
     
    Iran won’t open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries
     
    I was not using the term "global" to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.

    Leftoids have glommed economically non-viable concepts on to these systems. For example, green energy and transfer payments for mythical Global Cooling / Warming / Change hysteria. Additionally, the CCP Elites (with MegaCorporation co-conspirators) have rigged "international rules based order", such as the WTO, to the point where it is unsalvageable.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  316. @LondonBob
    @Greasy William

    I read The Deluge, I probably read the wrong book.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    If you have any interest in Nazi political philosophy, I would definitely read Wages of Destruction. After reading the book, Hitler’s speeches suddenly made total sense to me whereas before I thought he just sounded like a lunatic. It was Wages that made me see that Nazism genuinely saw itself as a defensive movement to protect Germany from dismemberment as opposed to an aggressive, expansionist and genocidal movement.

    Obvs I’m not endorsing Hitler’s philosophy, but Wages allowed me to understand it.

  317. @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. This man will open the Majlis once or twice a year, but he will largely confine himself to matters spiritual. He will be a titular head of state.

    Iran won't open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries - anywhere it has, more or less, stable political relations. This is the future - foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    Replies: @sher singh, @A123

    This is the future – foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    So basically globalism but not just America doing it.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @sher singh

    You misunderstand.

    Before GATT ( General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade ) 1947, sovereign states regulated foreign trade by tariff, quota and bilateral and other trade agreements. GATT ushered in Globalism. Signatory countries agreed to phase out tariffs and quotas and ensure free trade between member states. The number of GATT members grew and by the 1980s, when tariffs and quotas had been phased out, it incuded the vast majority of non-Communist states.

    In 1995, the World Trade Organisation superceded GATT, and, by today, nearly all states in the world - China and India included - are members. The essence of Globalism is free trade between all states. The problem with Globalism is that there is no such thimg as free trade. Those states that do not practice free trade benefit most, those that do, not at all. This was apparent even in the 1970s under GATT. Germany and Japan benefitted and America and the UK not.

    Even those states that have benefitted - eg Japan and Germany - have not seen widespread benefits flowing through the economy for many years. Japan has had low growth for the last 30 years. In Germany, manufacturing has benefitted, others little.

    This will soon all be historical. The Ukraine conflict is killing free trade and globalism. We are going back to a pre-GATT world.

  318. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike.
     
    I provide a factual analysis of what happened and you go hysterical. My own grandfather was a Pole who lived just slightly east of where the "liquidations" took place. According to the OUN(b) playbook, had I been alive and lived in the area during that era both he and I would have both met the grim reaper's end, so I've not dowplayed anything here. Just pointing out the facts.

    Poles are amused, but after 30 years of brain-washing most think that it was done by the Russians.
     
    Another gem that you pulled out of your ass?

    You have the unconscious Nazi instinct to downplay mass murder of those you dislike. Maybe get a nice framed picture of the Norway SS Viking division on a 1942-43 tour of St.Petersburg suburbs – you can play a game with AP and German_reader of ‘spot the Swedish guys!‘ – because as they were ‘liquidating’ the locals – who were also probably ‘hated colonizers’ – there were Swedes among them!
     
    Yeah, I "downplayed" it so much that I bring it up with some details too. Don't know anything at all about the Swedes that were pleasure riding with the Germans around St. Petersburg. Good to see that your ranting and imagination skills are so easily provoked by so little, all of which was accurate and truthful. But I'll leave you with one serious thought to consider:

    If the Ukrainians were so merciless and vindictive with the Polish colonisers in the West of their country, who surely were not nearly as destructive as the Russian ones destroying Eastern Ukraine (and Central Ukraine too), think of what's in store for the murderous butchers and vandals sent from Moscow today? The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    The Poles have learned their lesson and now treat Ukrainians equally. The Russians will also learn this very same lesson.

    Establishment Poles use Ukrainians as pawns for the former’s perceptions. In turn, a growing number of Ukrainians might very well see what a fraud the Zelensky starred Kiev regime is.

    Shifting gears a bit, from the GGs (Good Greeks).

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/

  319. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    Germany’s shifty recent actions in the very same region by definition include that reality.
     
    If it makes you happy, I would certainly vastly prefer for Germany to have nothing to do with Eastern Europe and its annoying inhabitants (both Russians and their enemies) at all.

    You refuse to see the other side’s viewpoint since the war started.
     
    I don't think that's true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it's you who's extremely one-sided, since you don't seem to see anything problematic with Russia's methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    I don’t think that’s true, I would still prefer a negotiated end to the war (including recognition of Crimea as Russian, possibly referenda in the Donbass). imo it’s you who’s extremely one-sided, since you don’t seem to see anything problematic with Russia’s methods at all and iirc have even indicated it would be fine if Russia just annexed the entire Black sea coast.

    The stance so far taken by the Kiev regime increases the likelihood for such to happen.

  320. 216 says: • Website

    Now the US Supreme Court has spoken, and abortion is now illegal in half of the country. And by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.

    For five decades, American conservatives toiled through the political process to achieve this victory, in two decades of authoritarian rule such a measure has not been imposed in Russia.

    It is clear that democracy is superior to autocracy. It is Redstanis that want our civilization to live, and all of Europe would be saved (once again by us) if our path was followed.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @216

    The most funny thing about all this abortion matter in USA - black women have the largest abortion share (nearly 40%) and highest (by far) abortion rate. So in fact abortion ban ensures that low income black population will be growing in USA and there will be certainly more fatherless black criminals roaming around likely reaching near Brazil levels. Nice own goal by clueless conservatives as usual:


    Women of color have the most abortions.

    Among the 30 areas that reported race by ethnicity data for 2019, non-Hispanic White women and non-Hispanic Black women accounted for the largest percentages of all abortions (33.4% and 38.4%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (21.0% and 7.2%, respectively)

    Non-Hispanic White women had the lowest abortion rate (6.6 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (117 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic Black women had the highest abortion rate (23.8 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (386 abortions per 1,000 live births).
     

    https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/the-demographics-of-abortion-in-america/

    Replies: @216

  321. @Derer
    @A123

    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO - epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland's "fcuk the EU" line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    It is true that EU offered membership to Ukraine but brainless Washington wanted NATO – epicenter of the problem. The Russian red line referred to NATO membership and NATO expansion. The Nuland’s “fcuk the EU” line clearly evidenced the US position. Historical events happen one true and original way but are surrendered by 100 dishonest versions and yours is one of them.

    The EU has offered the Kiev regime a candidate status that serves as a waiting line for a stated membership which in this instance isn’t likely to happen anytime soon if ever.

  322. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller "Russik" countries. They believe that Russia's size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216, @Barbarossa, @S, @German_reader

    Maybe Russia should take its own medicine, and stop trying to further separatism in the US and the EU.

  323. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Mikhail

    Italian journo screwed Ukies big time he pictured serial number of missile and you can track to exact unit that fired missiles , story disappeared from news within couple days . I was thinking no body lie more then Croats but Ukies are head and shoulder above

  324. 216 says: • Website
    @Derer
    @Mr. Hack

    The Ukraine is run by US embassy in Kiev and that is more than 6 people. BTW US embassy in Moscow is 1000 people strong, half of that is CIA. I am not sure if they left.

    Replies: @216

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @216

    They should have renamed it something more appropriate, like "Negrolatry Ave."

    , @Mikhail
    @216


    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.
     

    It's payback for actions the US government has taken.
    , @A123
    @216



    The US embassy's address in Moscow is now officially "Donetsk People's Republic Square"
     
    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.
     
    ROTFL... Good one....

    If street names were justification for violence there would have already been a civil war in Georgia. No. Not over MLK names. The evil that is Atlanta has named 1/4 of the city's mileage "Peachtree _____".

     
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-geo-images/e4875c0f-18f3-44da-82c6-5f280ebe5c8b.jpg
     

    I swear... The entire friggen metro area is like this...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  325. @Beckow
    @AP

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.


    Did any country other than Slovakia pay the Germans for the costs of murdering their Jewish population?
     
    I don't think anyone else did. The payments were for transport and the Germans insisted, you know 'must have tickets'. It also shows the total lack of power Slovak gment had at that time.

    I am still waiting for any 'atrocities' that the hapless Slovak division committed in the east - they were so useless that they were sent home after 6 months. On the hand, Norway had a bona-fide SS Division (with some Swedes as if that made it better) and did some of the worst atrocities committed outside St. Petersburg. Germans fully trusted them, they never trusted the WWII Slovak gment.

    Thou protest too much. Why? A Norwegian girlfriend? Or are you a secret Nazi?

    Replies: @German_reader, @silviosilver

    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.

    AP treats history as a collection of factoids, any of which he can isolate and amplify as needed to “score points.” Presumably, to him this amounts to an “argument.” Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process. It’s almost certain he takes the same attitude to those Ukrainian histories he cites; if he’s even read them, it’s been with an eye to mining them for nuggets he can store away for later reference. The whole things reaches the point of greatest absurdity when he’s engaged in one of his long-running ‘bloodfeud’ debates, in which he relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.” He can then go to bed feeling that Ukrainian honor has been defended.

    Of course, you’re prone to distort history towards your own ends yourself. And the reason you do it appears to be because, essentially, for you it’s always 1410. That’s it. That’s the skeleton key to Beckow’s historical reasoning. It’s not so much, as German_reader said, that Russians are always having to fight off various “nazis,” rather that slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics. Any other historical particularities one might cite are just window dressing aimed at obscuring the underlying dynamic. If one just keep this in mind, one can understand your position on everything. It explains, for instance, why Britain and France were never serious about protecting Czechoslovakia; why the Allies were slow (even reluctant) to go to war with Hitler; and why Norwegian participation on the Nazi side was so much more consequential than Slovak participation.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @AP
    @silviosilver


    Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process.
     
    Examples?

    In terms of the discussion with Beckow, he frames it (incorrectly) as a Western crusade against Russia when in reality it is a replay of World War I, Mitteleuropa trying to achieve supremacy in the world, first by defeating the West (and its client-outpost, Poland) and then by attacking the Soviets. This is the historical process. Therefore, Norway, France, etc. were not partners of Germany but occupied enemies, while Beckow's Slovakia was a German partner.

    The history of Ukraine in the last centuries has been the struggle to undo the treason of Bohdan Khmelnytsky and its negative consequences for Ukraine and Eastern-Central Europe. This is the context or historical process of events there.


    relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy
     
    Getting facts completely wrong, like claiming 13k dead civilians rather than 3k dead civilians in Donbas, or claiming greater participation of Norway than of Slovakia on the German side during World War II, is not mere "irrelevancies."
    , @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”
     
    Agree (but I would, wouldn't I?) I usually give up on him - AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education where eager AP wanted to be better than his surroundings, so he read. He grasps factoids, even thinks and does research - but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP could also be so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds and pretends. He is vengeful, also a mental condition, vengeful people cannot stand losing and abandon any sense of proportion.

    ...for you it’s always 1410...slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics
     
    That's roughly right. Although for the sake of clarity (and brevity) I overplay it. That perspective is often suppressed in the West and fools like "Greasy William" tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious form of idiocy than AP's lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    Maybe 1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII (primarily Poles, Belorussians, Russians...) and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn't physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all there: read what they themselves said in their books and plans that have been declassified.

    The they suffered a catastrophic defeat in 1945 and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990's. Newly weak Germans went along. It will end in a catastrophe, again. They think that using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but that has also been done in the past - at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    Replies: @216, @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

  326. @Verymuchalive
    @Sean


    Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.
     
    Yes, of course, he had no intention of actually abiding by it, but neither had Zelensky. Zelensky, a Zionist Jew, was bankrolled by the main Ukrainian Jewish oligarch Kholomoisky after Poroshenko nationalised Kholomoisky's bank. Kholomoisky also bankrolled the Azov Regiment , which was widely regarded as his own private army.
    Please read Thomas Dalton's informative article on the subject.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-world-war-three/

    And here's wee Volodya saying how he wants Ukraine to be a "big Israel". No surprise who's playing the part of the Palestinians.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sean

    I agree these are compelling. As theoretical interpretations of the limited data us little guys have of what may only be described factually as secret machinations. I suspect they are so secret that Vladimir Putin himself only has a grasp of 67% of a story that makes complete consistent sense.

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    He is pushing seventy now, and may have other ailments which might have put him at a greater risk from this glorified Flu - because that's what it is. I know people in their late 60s, early 70s who take the Seasonal Flu vaccine every winter. Maybe Putin does this as well? Maybe his doctor advised him to ?
    I wouldn't read too much into it.

  327. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    Replies: @Jazman, @Mikhail

    As the regime is losing battle after battle, Ukie propaganda invents and spreads more and more fakes. A good example was “Russian shelling” of Kramatorsk: as soon as the number on the remains of Tochka-U rocket clearly indicating that it is Ukrainian was found, Ukrainian and Western “lugenpresse” stopped talking about it. In fact, Ukie and imperial propaganda generates too many fakes for a normal person to check. Let the professionals do the debunking.

    So true like the crapola about the Babi Yar monument and Mariupol mosque getting bombed, Denisova’s mass rape claims, Ghost of Kiev, fighting to the death heroes of Snake Island, Kiev regime forces capturing more tanks than it had before the war, while downplaying the Kiev regime use of civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.

  328. @216
    @Derer

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1539582088885805059?cxt=HHwWhoC96Zbw2N0qAAAA

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikhail, @A123

    They should have renamed it something more appropriate, like “Negrolatry Ave.”

  329. @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    You mean that old boy Putler who "began enacting the ideas of Joseph Stalin, don't you?
    https://image.cagle.com/260327/750/260327.png
    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    Replies: @Sean, @Mikhail

    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?

    Ukraine got the Ukraine that the svidos desired, as evidenced by the large number of Ukrainians who left that entity before Feb 24 as well as afterwards.

    Russia is doing comparatively much better:

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1540579358158495744

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    https://www.cartooningforpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/02-Marco-De-Angelis-Refugees-from-Ukraine-war-Russia-kalashnikov-e1646323015695.jpg

    The tempo and the reasons for the post Feb 24 exodus were all the result of people fleeing the Russian carnage in Ukraine. The increased numbers of Russians that have left Russia after that period are also due to the same reasons, except these young Russians just don't want to live in a Putler infested authoritarian state.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  330. @216
    @Derer

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1539582088885805059?cxt=HHwWhoC96Zbw2N0qAAAA

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikhail, @A123

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    It’s payback for actions the US government has taken.

  331. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Verymuchalive

    I agree these are compelling. As theoretical interpretations of the limited data us little guys have of what may only be described factually as secret machinations. I suspect they are so secret that Vladimir Putin himself only has a grasp of 67% of a story that makes complete consistent sense.

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    He probably even took one of those stupid vaccine shots. Two of them or three even.

    He is pushing seventy now, and may have other ailments which might have put him at a greater risk from this glorified Flu – because that’s what it is. I know people in their late 60s, early 70s who take the Seasonal Flu vaccine every winter. Maybe Putin does this as well? Maybe his doctor advised him to ?
    I wouldn’t read too much into it.

  332. @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller "Russik" countries. They believe that Russia's size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216, @Barbarossa, @S, @German_reader

    I reply to German Reader, I was going to guess that they are running on similar assumptions as right leaning people in the US in favor of breaking up the country, or in the case of NY, breaking up the state to separate upstate and downstate.

    In the US anyhow the assumption seems to be that policy can more effectively tailored to local conservatism and cultural mores if it is disassociated from an overwhelmingly liberal federal blob. It’s worth noting that some liberals operate under a similar premise. We’ll see if liberal secessionism becomes more vocal now that Roe v. Wade has been struck down, LOL.

    I’m guessing that the Russians that you are talking to are reacting to the countries’ size leading to top down policies which make local interests feel marginalized. This seems plausible at least.

  333. S says:
    @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller "Russik" countries. They believe that Russia's size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216, @Barbarossa, @S, @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller “Russik” countries.

    That’s just what the 1853 book, The New Rome, says in a roundabout way. Russia is simply too big to be allowed to succeed. No comment is made by the book’s authors about the United States possibly being too big ‘to manage’, indeed, the United States according to it, is to absorb the entire world. [Note: I am not an advocate for what this mid-19th century book says.]

    ‘Thus the lines are drawn. The choirs are marshalled on each wing of the world’s stage, Russia leading the one, the United States the other. Yet the world is too small for both, and the contest must end in the downfall of the one and the victory of the other.’ The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) – pg 109

    Interestingly, shortly before this book’s 1853 publication, the British Foreign Secretary and future Prime Minister Lord Palmerston had launched his ‘New Rome’ campaign from London. According to Tarpley, who can be something of a mixed bag, this future ‘New Rome’ of Palmerston’s was to encompass the entire globe, and not ‘merely’ a quarter of it, as the British Empire had achieved circa 1905.

    [MORE]

    The 1853 New Rome book outlines just how to do that in three succinct steps:

    1) End the false split which has been in place between America and Britain since 1776, so that together the US and UK can form a practically unbeatable united front towards the world.

    2) The US/UK conquer and gain control of Germany, the center of power upon continental Europe. [The book’s two authors acknowledge that in so doing the US/UK will assuredly unleash a ‘world’s war’ upon the Earth.]

    3) Smash Russia [The US air force, according to this book, is to be the key to America’s victory here.]

    Did I mention that Theodore Poesche, one of the New Rome book’s two authors, having fled the failed 1848 revolution in Germany had resided in London during 1850, the very same time and place from whence Palmerston would purportedly launch his ‘New Rome’ campaign?

    From Tarpley’s article linked below. He makes no mention of the 1853 New Rome book. If he is like most people, he has no awareness it exist.

    A NEW ROMAN EMPIRE

    ‘It is 1850. Lord Palmerston is engaged in a campaign to make London the undisputed center of a new, worldwide Roman Empire. He is attempting to conquer the world in the way that the British have already conquered India, reducing every other nation to the role of a puppet, client, and fall-guy for British imperial policy. Lord Palmerston’s campaign is not a secret. He has declared it here in the Houses of Parliament, saying that wherever in the world a British subject goes, he can flaunt the laws, secure that the British fleet will support him. “Civis Romanus sum, every Briton is a citizen of this new Rome,” thundered Lord Palmerston, and with that, the universal empire was proclaimed.’

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/lord-palmerstons-multicultural-human-zoo/

  334. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Russia got the Russia that Putler created for it. Why are so many young smart Russians moving away? Why does Professor Tennessee stay put within his guarded community fenced in confines in the US?
     
    Ukraine got the Ukraine that the svidos desired, as evidenced by the large number of Ukrainians who left that entity before Feb 24 as well as afterwards.

    Russia is doing comparatively much better:

    https://theduran.com/eu-ukraine-and-moldova-rearranging-deck-chairs-on-the-titanic/

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1540579358158495744

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The tempo and the reasons for the post Feb 24 exodus were all the result of people fleeing the Russian carnage in Ukraine. The increased numbers of Russians that have left Russia after that period are also due to the same reasons, except these young Russians just don’t want to live in a Putler infested authoritarian state.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Numerous Ukrainians left Ukraine (to Russia and the West) before February 24 - something that would've been evident without the Russian military action, albeit to a smaller number.

  335. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    This is the evidence of one of the crimes of current Kiev regime, defamation of Ukrainian language and culture. Before coup-installed Kiev regime started bombing and shelling Donbass in 2014, many (possibly the majority) of the people in Donbass wanted only autonomy. Russian-speaking people there (a huge majority) were neutral to the Ukrainian language. Donbass, like pretty much all of Russia proper, enjoyed Ukrainian songs, some of which used to be very popular. Because of association with the Kiev regime, now Ukrainian language causes a gag reflex in Russia. It is particularly strong in the parts of former Ukraine liberated from banderites. There is nothing wrong with the Ukrainian language per se, but there is everything wrong with current Kiev regime.

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43. Ukie soldiers committed numerous crimes, from widespread robbery to rape and murder. The regime made sure that those criminals were never punished. In addition, habitually drunk Ukie military drivers ran over civilians and their cars with impunity. Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians, murdered and injured more than 500 children. Naturally, what the regime “achieved” is a burning hatred of everything Ukrainian of >90% of the local population. That’s what you see in these videos.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43.

    This is what the survivors of Russian occupation in areas outside Kiev say.

    Kharkiv has been destroyed more by the Russians than it had been destroyed by the Germans.

    Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians

    A well-known fake number, you get your information form propaganda.

    Here is the UN report:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    It is over 13,000 total deaths, including military.

    About 10,000 of thos killd were soldiers. Over 3,000 were civlians.

    From the UN report:

    During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021, OHCHR recorded a
    total of 3,106 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,852 men, 1,072 women, 102 boys, 50 girls, and 30 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 deaths on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,404

    ::::::::::::::

    So about 3,200 civilians (not including the ones on the Malaysian plane) were killed in Donbas, not 13,000.

    Furthermore, almost all of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021, only 25 civilians were killed. Of those, only 7 were killed during hostilities. The largest number were killed by mines.

    A typical mid-size Russian city has more homicides every year, than the number of civilians killed by military actions in Donbas in 2021. How many people in Donbas were killed by this invasion, in comparison to the 25 killed in 2021? Putin is doing what Ukrainian nationalists never did – mass kill and clear out the Donbas.

    ::::::::::::

    When America invaded Iraq it used as an excuse the gassing of Kurds by Saddam – which happened years before the American invasion. Similarly, the the thousands civilians killed in Donbas occurred years before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    (of course the gassing of Kurds and the killed civilians in Donbas war are not the same, much of the latter involved collateral damage from fighting)

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

  336. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    https://www.cartooningforpeace.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/02-Marco-De-Angelis-Refugees-from-Ukraine-war-Russia-kalashnikov-e1646323015695.jpg

    The tempo and the reasons for the post Feb 24 exodus were all the result of people fleeing the Russian carnage in Ukraine. The increased numbers of Russians that have left Russia after that period are also due to the same reasons, except these young Russians just don't want to live in a Putler infested authoritarian state.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Numerous Ukrainians left Ukraine (to Russia and the West) before February 24 – something that would’ve been evident without the Russian military action, albeit to a smaller number.

  337. @sher singh
    @Verymuchalive

    This is the future – foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    So basically globalism but not just America doing it.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    You misunderstand.

    Before GATT ( General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade ) 1947, sovereign states regulated foreign trade by tariff, quota and bilateral and other trade agreements. GATT ushered in Globalism. Signatory countries agreed to phase out tariffs and quotas and ensure free trade between member states. The number of GATT members grew and by the 1980s, when tariffs and quotas had been phased out, it incuded the vast majority of non-Communist states.

    In 1995, the World Trade Organisation superceded GATT, and, by today, nearly all states in the world – China and India included – are members. The essence of Globalism is free trade between all states. The problem with Globalism is that there is no such thimg as free trade. Those states that do not practice free trade benefit most, those that do, not at all. This was apparent even in the 1970s under GATT. Germany and Japan benefitted and America and the UK not.

    Even those states that have benefitted – eg Japan and Germany – have not seen widespread benefits flowing through the economy for many years. Japan has had low growth for the last 30 years. In Germany, manufacturing has benefitted, others little.

    This will soon all be historical. The Ukraine conflict is killing free trade and globalism. We are going back to a pre-GATT world.

    • Agree: A123
  338. • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    British Prime Minister Johnson fears that Ukraine will be pressured to conclude a peace agreement with Russia, which does not meet its interests...

    He means UK interests not Ukraine ones...
     

    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine's citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. :-( I wonder why? Must be an example of the West's superior marketing prowess, it couldn't possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    https://youtu.be/os0FLlKgHMo

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

  339. The next step for Jesse is to formally acknowledge that the US mass media en masse (much of Fox News included) has downplayed the corrupt, undemocratic and neo-Nazi influenced aspects of the Kiev regime, in conjunction with the legitimate concerns of Russia and pro-Russian people on the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR.

  340. AP says:
    @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.
     
    AP treats history as a collection of factoids, any of which he can isolate and amplify as needed to "score points." Presumably, to him this amounts to an "argument." Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process. It's almost certain he takes the same attitude to those Ukrainian histories he cites; if he's even read them, it's been with an eye to mining them for nuggets he can store away for later reference. The whole things reaches the point of greatest absurdity when he's engaged in one of his long-running 'bloodfeud' debates, in which he relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he's "winning." He can then go to bed feeling that Ukrainian honor has been defended.

    Of course, you're prone to distort history towards your own ends yourself. And the reason you do it appears to be because, essentially, for you it's always 1410. That's it. That's the skeleton key to Beckow's historical reasoning. It's not so much, as German_reader said, that Russians are always having to fight off various "nazis," rather that slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics. Any other historical particularities one might cite are just window dressing aimed at obscuring the underlying dynamic. If one just keep this in mind, one can understand your position on everything. It explains, for instance, why Britain and France were never serious about protecting Czechoslovakia; why the Allies were slow (even reluctant) to go to war with Hitler; and why Norwegian participation on the Nazi side was so much more consequential than Slovak participation.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process.

    Examples?

    In terms of the discussion with Beckow, he frames it (incorrectly) as a Western crusade against Russia when in reality it is a replay of World War I, Mitteleuropa trying to achieve supremacy in the world, first by defeating the West (and its client-outpost, Poland) and then by attacking the Soviets. This is the historical process. Therefore, Norway, France, etc. were not partners of Germany but occupied enemies, while Beckow’s Slovakia was a German partner.

    The history of Ukraine in the last centuries has been the struggle to undo the treason of Bohdan Khmelnytsky and its negative consequences for Ukraine and Eastern-Central Europe. This is the context or historical process of events there.

    relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy

    Getting facts completely wrong, like claiming 13k dead civilians rather than 3k dead civilians in Donbas, or claiming greater participation of Norway than of Slovakia on the German side during World War II, is not mere “irrelevancies.”

  341. I’ve been reviewing a lot of political cartoons lately. Here are a couple of real good ones that seem to be indicating that China stands to be the big winner in the Russia/Ukraine war.

  342. @216
    Now the US Supreme Court has spoken, and abortion is now illegal in half of the country. And by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.

    For five decades, American conservatives toiled through the political process to achieve this victory, in two decades of authoritarian rule such a measure has not been imposed in Russia.

    It is clear that democracy is superior to autocracy. It is Redstanis that want our civilization to live, and all of Europe would be saved (once again by us) if our path was followed.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The most funny thing about all this abortion matter in USA – black women have the largest abortion share (nearly 40%) and highest (by far) abortion rate. So in fact abortion ban ensures that low income black population will be growing in USA and there will be certainly more fatherless black criminals roaming around likely reaching near Brazil levels. Nice own goal by clueless conservatives as usual:

    Women of color have the most abortions.

    Among the 30 areas that reported race by ethnicity data for 2019, non-Hispanic White women and non-Hispanic Black women accounted for the largest percentages of all abortions (33.4% and 38.4%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (21.0% and 7.2%, respectively)

    Non-Hispanic White women had the lowest abortion rate (6.6 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (117 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic Black women had the highest abortion rate (23.8 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (386 abortions per 1,000 live births).

    https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/the-demographics-of-abortion-in-america/

    • Replies: @216
    @sudden death

    The rate of abortion in Russia is higher than even the US black rate. The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.

    Additionally, if we can get rid of Griswold we can place a means-tested tax on contraception, which would give us a demographic rebalancing.

    Democracy has done what autocracy cannot. Democracy will do what autocrats cannot.

    America is once again the shining city on a hill that will set a model to emulate.

    Replies: @sudden death

  343. @German_reader
    @Greasy William

    So they think that breaking up Russia into several statelets is going to lead to anything good for Russians?
    Are they also homosexuals or satanists?

    Replies: @Greasy William, @Dmitry

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire (for Russians) and from the Russians (for at least nonslavic nonrussians). From the Russian nationalism, is not so unsensible, in terms of Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Tuva.

    Nationalist Russians are often even racist against larger nationalities like Tatars, that suffer increasing intermarriage rates. Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation, as the intermarriage rate is unsustainable for them.

    For the nationalist Tatars, it’s really an emergency situation this century, as the Tatar population will dissolve even in the ethnic sense in the next few generation. So it’s more of a dangerous situation for the nationalists among the minority nationalities at the moment.

    A problem is that Russia’s economy is based in resource extraction and a lot of the resources are in the nonslavic land.

    For example, Alrosa (one of the most important employers in Russia, the world’s largest diamond mining corporation), is primarily wealthy from the diamonds of Yakutia.

    If you separate from Yakuts, you would lose the wealth under their feet. This separation would be great for Yakuts, currently they are being asset stripped. They would be able to invest the wealth in their own territory. But it would be very bad for Russia, or at least Moscow, as the sources of income would fall.

    Multiracial empire is intrinsic in the economic structure of the country, when the wealth of Moscow is not from industry, but because resources are flowing through there from across the world’s largest country.

    Also the claim Greasy says about there would be improvement of governance for Russians as a result of this, seems utopian, considering how poorly the leaders of the postsoviet nationalities which are able to be have their own country have been (E.g. Ukraine, Belarus).

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire
     
    to some extent I sympathize with that idea (liked commenter Bashibuzuk's ideas better than Karlin's megalomaniacal imperialism), but as you point out apart maybe from the Caucasus it's probably not viable, because the ethnicities are so entangled with each other, and for economic reasons.
    And in any case these decisions are to be left to the peoples of Russia, without any input from noxious de-colonizers in the US, whose motivation consists not least in dismembering a geopolitical rival.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    https://twitter.com/ArtyomLukin/status/1538548160578076675

    , @Derer
    @Dmitry


    Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation,
     
    One cannot have a hostile (separatist) nation locked in within Russian federation. West Berlin would not have survived without Soviet tolerance.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  344. German_reader says:
    @Greasy William
    @German_reader

    They think that just like there are multiple Germanic countries and multiple Turkic countries that Russia would be more manageable if it were several smaller "Russik" countries. They believe that Russia's size is why they keep getting stuck with Nicholases, Lenins, Stalins and Putins

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @216, @Barbarossa, @S, @German_reader

    Probably wouldn’t hurt if there was some de-centralisation in Russia instead of everything being managed top-down, but breaking up the country into several states would go way too far imo, probably also lead to a lot of bloodshed if it’s done under the banner of anti-Russian “decolonization”.
    Thanks for your answer though, while I think your interlocutors are naive and misguided, it’s interesting that such people exist.

  345. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @Beckow

    There is something deeply funny about a guy falsely accusing Norway and other Western countries as being part of a Nazi crusade so desperately trying and failing to whitewash his own country which actually was an ally of Nazi Germany.


    Slovak Peoples Party was not allied with Germany before the war
     
    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Slovak Peoples Party founder and leader Hlinka, 1936:

    “I am the Slovak Hitler. I will restore order in Slovakia like Hitler did in Germany."

    You know little and parade around your ignorance like a fool.
     
    You must be looking in the mirror.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Derer, @German_reader

    At the very least, there was admiration.

    Apparently there were somewhat divergent factions, Hlinka and Tiso were more the sort of traditional Catholic authoritarians, but there was a hardline Slovak fascist and pro-Nazi faction (led by Vojtech Tuka and Alexander Mach), which gained in power under the influence of the alliance with Germany and was instrumental in the deportation of the Jews (when Slovakia wasn’t actually occupied by the Germans, so presumably might have avoided that, like Hungary did until 1944). I agree that Beckow’s fixation on Norway’s alleged guilt is strange given that background.

  346. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1540611563652096002

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    British Prime Minister Johnson fears that Ukraine will be pressured to conclude a peace agreement with Russia, which does not meet its interests…

    He means UK interests not Ukraine ones…

    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine’s citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. 🙁 I wonder why? Must be an example of the West’s superior marketing prowess, it couldn’t possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. 🙁 I wonder why? Must be an example of the West’s superior marketing prowess, it couldn’t possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.
     
    Easier to get dumbed down in a totalitarian society that in this instance pertains to the matter of extreme Kiev regime censorship and fudging of certain particulars. Back in 2009 when Ukraine was considerably freer, a Ukrainian poll had Putin as the number one leading political figure, besting anyone in Ukraine as well as elsewhere. Like I said back in early April -

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of some nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict, whose end result could’ve occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction, resulting from Russia’s military action.

    In turn, Putin could be increasingly viewed as someone who for years had tried to reasonably see a peaceful implementation of the 2015 UN approved Minsk Protocol and need for a new European security arrangement.

    For those selectively seeing Putin as a monster, consider Madeleine Albright’s infamous comment on the large-scale Iraqi deaths caused by US military action and how she has been given kudos by the likes of Wesley Clark.

    A number of Kiev regime claims about Russia’s military action have been later proven false. It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    How do you poll in a war? You are so simple-minded that I may yet sell you a 'condo-in-Mariupol' on a rocky beach.

    One gets a call in Lvov or Kiev: "Do you like Putin?"...what goes through a person's mind when they answer?

    BoJo at disappointing 49%. What about the other 51%, why don't they get on with the program? Are they possibly Irish?

    BoJo's low rating is a good indication of the overall mood. Think it through.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  347. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire (for Russians) and from the Russians (for at least nonslavic nonrussians). From the Russian nationalism, is not so unsensible, in terms of Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Tuva.

    Nationalist Russians are often even racist against larger nationalities like Tatars, that suffer increasing intermarriage rates. Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation, as the intermarriage rate is unsustainable for them.

    For the nationalist Tatars, it's really an emergency situation this century, as the Tatar population will dissolve even in the ethnic sense in the next few generation. So it's more of a dangerous situation for the nationalists among the minority nationalities at the moment.

    A problem is that Russia's economy is based in resource extraction and a lot of the resources are in the nonslavic land.

    For example, Alrosa (one of the most important employers in Russia, the world's largest diamond mining corporation), is primarily wealthy from the diamonds of Yakutia.

    If you separate from Yakuts, you would lose the wealth under their feet. This separation would be great for Yakuts, currently they are being asset stripped. They would be able to invest the wealth in their own territory. But it would be very bad for Russia, or at least Moscow, as the sources of income would fall.

    Multiracial empire is intrinsic in the economic structure of the country, when the wealth of Moscow is not from industry, but because resources are flowing through there from across the world's largest country.

    Also the claim Greasy says about there would be improvement of governance for Russians as a result of this, seems utopian, considering how poorly the leaders of the postsoviet nationalities which are able to be have their own country have been (E.g. Ukraine, Belarus).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thulean Friend, @Derer

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire

    to some extent I sympathize with that idea (liked commenter Bashibuzuk’s ideas better than Karlin’s megalomaniacal imperialism), but as you point out apart maybe from the Caucasus it’s probably not viable, because the ethnicities are so entangled with each other, and for economic reasons.
    And in any case these decisions are to be left to the peoples of Russia, without any input from noxious de-colonizers in the US, whose motivation consists not least in dismembering a geopolitical rival.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @German_reader

    Dagestanis for Dagestan.

    https://dmxg5wxfqgb4u.cloudfront.net/styles/card/s3/2020-10/Nurmagomedov%20Khabib%20Weigh%20In%20229%20Hero.jpg

    , @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin's a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he's more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    Replies: @LatW, @Anatoly Karlin

  348. @silviosilver
    @Beckow


    What-aboutism to an extreme level, you are getting desperate.
     
    AP treats history as a collection of factoids, any of which he can isolate and amplify as needed to "score points." Presumably, to him this amounts to an "argument." Absent from his posts is any appreciation of historical context or historical process. It's almost certain he takes the same attitude to those Ukrainian histories he cites; if he's even read them, it's been with an eye to mining them for nuggets he can store away for later reference. The whole things reaches the point of greatest absurdity when he's engaged in one of his long-running 'bloodfeud' debates, in which he relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he's "winning." He can then go to bed feeling that Ukrainian honor has been defended.

    Of course, you're prone to distort history towards your own ends yourself. And the reason you do it appears to be because, essentially, for you it's always 1410. That's it. That's the skeleton key to Beckow's historical reasoning. It's not so much, as German_reader said, that Russians are always having to fight off various "nazis," rather that slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics. Any other historical particularities one might cite are just window dressing aimed at obscuring the underlying dynamic. If one just keep this in mind, one can understand your position on everything. It explains, for instance, why Britain and France were never serious about protecting Czechoslovakia; why the Allies were slow (even reluctant) to go to war with Hitler; and why Norwegian participation on the Nazi side was so much more consequential than Slovak participation.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”

    Agree (but I would, wouldn’t I?) I usually give up on him – AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education where eager AP wanted to be better than his surroundings, so he read. He grasps factoids, even thinks and does research – but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP could also be so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds and pretends. He is vengeful, also a mental condition, vengeful people cannot stand losing and abandon any sense of proportion.

    …for you it’s always 1410…slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics

    That’s roughly right. Although for the sake of clarity (and brevity) I overplay it. That perspective is often suppressed in the West and fools like “Greasy William” tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious form of idiocy than AP’s lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    Maybe 1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII (primarily Poles, Belorussians, Russians…) and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all there: read what they themselves said in their books and plans that have been declassified.

    The they suffered a catastrophic defeat in 1945 and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s. Newly weak Germans went along. It will end in a catastrophe, again. They think that using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but that has also been done in the past – at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @216
    @Beckow


    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

     

    The need for lustration laws that forbid the glorification of communism are readily apparent.

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    , @German_reader
    @Beckow


    and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.
     
    Could you elaborate on that?
    I mean, sure, that interpretation of history is not totally without basis in fact. I get that Habsburg rule in the Czech lands was oppressive and that there was a significant ethnic dimension to it, maybe from as far back as the Hussite wars. And of course there was Prussia's rule over the annexed parts of Poland, which also became more intolerant in areas like language policy in the decades just before 1914.
    But what else do you have in mind when you speak of centuries of Drang nach Osten? It's something I've seen numerous commenters here throw out as if it was self-evident there was an unbroken tradition of German imperialism, but it's rarely spelled out in more detail.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @sher singh

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Weak. Even you don’t seem to believe in what you are saying and are just going through the motions.

  349. 216 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @216

    The most funny thing about all this abortion matter in USA - black women have the largest abortion share (nearly 40%) and highest (by far) abortion rate. So in fact abortion ban ensures that low income black population will be growing in USA and there will be certainly more fatherless black criminals roaming around likely reaching near Brazil levels. Nice own goal by clueless conservatives as usual:


    Women of color have the most abortions.

    Among the 30 areas that reported race by ethnicity data for 2019, non-Hispanic White women and non-Hispanic Black women accounted for the largest percentages of all abortions (33.4% and 38.4%, respectively), and Hispanic women and non-Hispanic women in the other race category accounted for smaller percentages (21.0% and 7.2%, respectively)

    Non-Hispanic White women had the lowest abortion rate (6.6 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (117 abortions per 1,000 live births), and non-Hispanic Black women had the highest abortion rate (23.8 abortions per 1,000 women) and ratio (386 abortions per 1,000 live births).
     

    https://erlc.com/resource-library/articles/the-demographics-of-abortion-in-america/

    Replies: @216

    The rate of abortion in Russia is higher than even the US black rate. The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.

    Additionally, if we can get rid of Griswold we can place a means-tested tax on contraception, which would give us a demographic rebalancing.

    Democracy has done what autocracy cannot. Democracy will do what autocrats cannot.

    America is once again the shining city on a hill that will set a model to emulate.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @216


    The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.
     
    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies that barely have relation to real life - fear does not work much in moments of sexual heat, especially for lower income/IQ individuals. Medicated contraception requires constant both mental and financial discipline which is also mostly absent in such demographics too.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @216

  350. AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”

    Agree (but I would, wouldn’t I?) I usually give up on him – AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education: eager AP wanted to be better so he read. He grasps factoids and does research – but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP is so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds to pretend. Vengeful people cannot stand losing and so AP abandons any sense of proportion.

    …for you it’s always 1410…slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics

    That’s roughly right, for the sake of clarity and brevity I overplay it. That perspective is suppressed in the West and fools like “Greasy William” tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious idiocy than AP’s lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s. Newly weak Germans went along. It will again end in a catastrophe. Using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but it has also been done in the past – at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.
     
    In its destruction and ethnocide of Novgorod and mass murder of Ukrainians and Poles, Moscow has been nearly as harmful towards Slavs as the Germans have been. In your myopia you only see the Germans.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy
     
    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  351. 216 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”
     
    Agree (but I would, wouldn't I?) I usually give up on him - AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education where eager AP wanted to be better than his surroundings, so he read. He grasps factoids, even thinks and does research - but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP could also be so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds and pretends. He is vengeful, also a mental condition, vengeful people cannot stand losing and abandon any sense of proportion.

    ...for you it’s always 1410...slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics
     
    That's roughly right. Although for the sake of clarity (and brevity) I overplay it. That perspective is often suppressed in the West and fools like "Greasy William" tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious form of idiocy than AP's lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    Maybe 1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII (primarily Poles, Belorussians, Russians...) and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn't physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all there: read what they themselves said in their books and plans that have been declassified.

    The they suffered a catastrophic defeat in 1945 and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990's. Newly weak Germans went along. It will end in a catastrophe, again. They think that using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but that has also been done in the past - at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    Replies: @216, @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    The need for lustration laws that forbid the glorification of communism are readily apparent.

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @216

    Weak. Even you don't seem to believe in what you are saying and are just going through the motions.

    , @Derer
    @216


    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.
     
    The schizophrenic Washington fought ideology in Vietnam (and lost) but embraced and build up communists in China. What destruction are you talking about?
  352. S says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Greasy William

    What's the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.

    Lenin and Stalin were communists first and foremost. Stalin moreso. Not even a Russian.

    Putin is just a very ordinary Russian.

    Replies: @S

    What’s the problem with the Czars? The Nicholases in specific circumstances were German princes lording it over Russians.

    The aforementioned New Rome book published in 1853 deleves into that. The reader should be aware that the book’s two authors were both German in origin. Naturally, and with reason, people everywhere tend to prefer their own to rule over them.

    Nicholas II of Russia and George V of Britain (right) wearing German military uniforms in Berlin (1913).

    ‘Russia, as an empire, is a German colony; the Varegers, who established their power in Moscow in the tenth century, were Northmen… The Emperor is but a disaffected proconsul of our [German] empire. He fights with our weapons, and under our flag. The present imperial family is even more immediately and exclusively German; St. Petersburg is notoriously a German colony, founded upon German principles. All the Emperor’s children are married to Germans; the State’s Chancellor is a German…The leading officers of the government, civil as well as military, are drawn from the nobility of Livonia, who are of the pure lineage of the Teutonic knights…The Universities of Russia are German…’ The New Rome; or, the United States of the World (1853) – pg 109 – 111

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/108/mode/2up

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_II_of_Russia

  353. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire
     
    to some extent I sympathize with that idea (liked commenter Bashibuzuk's ideas better than Karlin's megalomaniacal imperialism), but as you point out apart maybe from the Caucasus it's probably not viable, because the ethnicities are so entangled with each other, and for economic reasons.
    And in any case these decisions are to be left to the peoples of Russia, without any input from noxious de-colonizers in the US, whose motivation consists not least in dismembering a geopolitical rival.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend

    Dagestanis for Dagestan.

  354. @216
    @Beckow


    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

     

    The need for lustration laws that forbid the glorification of communism are readily apparent.

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    Weak. Even you don’t seem to believe in what you are saying and are just going through the motions.

  355. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say:
    It is not hard to envision the military getting rid of the Theocracy. The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. This man will open the Majlis once or twice a year, but he will largely confine himself to matters spiritual. He will be a titular head of state.

    Iran won't open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries - anywhere it has, more or less, stable political relations. This is the future - foreign trade with tariffs, quotas and free trade agreements, as appropriate. But not globalism.

    Replies: @sher singh, @A123

    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. … He will be a titular head of state.

    That is certainly a possibility if Khamenei goes down in the next year or two.

    His health status is not publicly available, but he does not show any Biden like mental deterioration that indicates a near term departure from power. Khamenei could hang on for another decade. The situation in Iran is so tenuous that it is likely to blow up before then.

    The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.

    Iran won’t open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries

    I was not using the term “global” to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.

    Leftoids have glommed economically non-viable concepts on to these systems. For example, green energy and transfer payments for mythical Global Cooling / Warming / Change hysteria. Additionally, the CCP Elites (with MegaCorporation co-conspirators) have rigged “international rules based order“, such as the WTO, to the point where it is unsalvageable.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    You say


    I was not using the term “global” to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.
     
    I'm in complete agreement.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.
     
    I certainly hope so.

    As for Khamenei, we live in interesting times. The next few years will tell.
  356. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”
     
    Agree (but I would, wouldn't I?) I usually give up on him - AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education where eager AP wanted to be better than his surroundings, so he read. He grasps factoids, even thinks and does research - but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP could also be so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds and pretends. He is vengeful, also a mental condition, vengeful people cannot stand losing and abandon any sense of proportion.

    ...for you it’s always 1410...slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics
     
    That's roughly right. Although for the sake of clarity (and brevity) I overplay it. That perspective is often suppressed in the West and fools like "Greasy William" tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious form of idiocy than AP's lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    Maybe 1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII (primarily Poles, Belorussians, Russians...) and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn't physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all there: read what they themselves said in their books and plans that have been declassified.

    The they suffered a catastrophic defeat in 1945 and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990's. Newly weak Germans went along. It will end in a catastrophe, again. They think that using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but that has also been done in the past - at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    Replies: @216, @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.

    Could you elaborate on that?
    I mean, sure, that interpretation of history is not totally without basis in fact. I get that Habsburg rule in the Czech lands was oppressive and that there was a significant ethnic dimension to it, maybe from as far back as the Hussite wars. And of course there was Prussia’s rule over the annexed parts of Poland, which also became more intolerant in areas like language policy in the decades just before 1914.
    But what else do you have in mind when you speak of centuries of Drang nach Osten? It’s something I’ve seen numerous commenters here throw out as if it was self-evident there was an unbroken tradition of German imperialism, but it’s rarely spelled out in more detail.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I kind of doubt you will much worthwhile out of Beckow on a topic like this, imo his takes on history topics like this are often too powerful, then defended tenaciously but with low effort at plausibility. Like here:


    As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s.
     

    It's obvious when you think about it in the light of the well known Anglo-German-French alliance against 'Russia' in the 1914-45 period. And the Anglo involvement in attacking and invading Slavic lands in the 1990s in an extension of Barbarossa is too well known to need any commentary...

    It's like when Reiner Tor had to engage in a lot of argument trying to prove that Britain and France were at war with Germany during WW2 and were not fighting on Germany's side. The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can't go anywhere interesting.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @sher singh
    @German_reader

    Everything back to the Christianization of the Slavs & Teutonic Knights.

  357. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire
     
    to some extent I sympathize with that idea (liked commenter Bashibuzuk's ideas better than Karlin's megalomaniacal imperialism), but as you point out apart maybe from the Caucasus it's probably not viable, because the ethnicities are so entangled with each other, and for economic reasons.
    And in any case these decisions are to be left to the peoples of Russia, without any input from noxious de-colonizers in the US, whose motivation consists not least in dismembering a geopolitical rival.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Thulean Friend

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian
     
    We don't know that a 100% (he did mention at one point that somebody thought he looked Tatar so he's probably a brunette but he also mentioned a relative in Penza who may have been Baltic), but, yeah, he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

     

    Unfortunately, no. Russia is 80% Slavic, yet all those people do not hold Bashi's views. A large proportion of them are hardcore vatnik imperialists, being the dominant nationality in a "multi-racial Empire" they do feel comfortable in it and yearn for it. Not only "mixed race Caucasoids", but also a large majority of Slavic Russians and the Orthodox hold imperialist views.

    Bashi's ideological background stems from Rodnover nationalism, which is a relatively small group of Russian right wingers. Of course, he is more sophisticated and has a much more open mind and an almost cosmopolitan breadth. His views are independent, only partially determined by his ethnicity.

    For you, Bashi... wish what is happening right now had never happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMplwUbPiZE&t=45s

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mr. Hack

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.
     
    Not addressing you in particular but the thread at large.

    While Dmitry is an authority on many things, such as sneakers and unboxing videos and stalking the offspring of influential Russians on Instagram, Russian nationalism is not one of those topics. And Bashibuzuk is a émigré with weird pan-Slavist paganist views which are marginal even amongst marginals, who decided to make his permanent home in a country that is acutely at odds with his purported larp ideology.

    The vast majority of ethnic Russian nationalists are banally pro-Russian, viewing Russians Belorussians and Ukrainians as one people, and support the war to regather the Russian lands.

    Hit list of "right-wingers" on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/

    Basically the only "prominent" Russian nationalist of note on the anti-war part of the list is White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi Demushkin. The rest are frankly mostly libertarians and include bizarre choices like Sobchak presumably to pad it out.

    On the pro-war list, to be brutally liquidated in the event of a NATO occupation government in Russia: Strelkov, Malofeev, Kholmogorv, Bastrakov and all the Chernaya Sotnya people, all the Sputnik and Pogrom people, all the NatsBols, yours truly.

    Anyhow, not that I really care what the people here think beyond dropping in to point this out, I prioritize more productive things these days, such as making money to send it to Russian volunteers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

  358. @Beckow
    @silviosilver


    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”
     
    Agree (but I would, wouldn't I?) I usually give up on him - AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education where eager AP wanted to be better than his surroundings, so he read. He grasps factoids, even thinks and does research - but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP could also be so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds and pretends. He is vengeful, also a mental condition, vengeful people cannot stand losing and abandon any sense of proportion.

    ...for you it’s always 1410...slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics
     
    That's roughly right. Although for the sake of clarity (and brevity) I overplay it. That perspective is often suppressed in the West and fools like "Greasy William" tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious form of idiocy than AP's lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    Maybe 1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII (primarily Poles, Belorussians, Russians...) and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn't physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all there: read what they themselves said in their books and plans that have been declassified.

    The they suffered a catastrophic defeat in 1945 and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990's. Newly weak Germans went along. It will end in a catastrophe, again. They think that using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but that has also been done in the past - at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    Replies: @216, @German_reader, @Mr. Hack

    Weak. Even you don’t seem to believe in what you are saying and are just going through the motions.

  359. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire (for Russians) and from the Russians (for at least nonslavic nonrussians). From the Russian nationalism, is not so unsensible, in terms of Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Tuva.

    Nationalist Russians are often even racist against larger nationalities like Tatars, that suffer increasing intermarriage rates. Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation, as the intermarriage rate is unsustainable for them.

    For the nationalist Tatars, it's really an emergency situation this century, as the Tatar population will dissolve even in the ethnic sense in the next few generation. So it's more of a dangerous situation for the nationalists among the minority nationalities at the moment.

    A problem is that Russia's economy is based in resource extraction and a lot of the resources are in the nonslavic land.

    For example, Alrosa (one of the most important employers in Russia, the world's largest diamond mining corporation), is primarily wealthy from the diamonds of Yakutia.

    If you separate from Yakuts, you would lose the wealth under their feet. This separation would be great for Yakuts, currently they are being asset stripped. They would be able to invest the wealth in their own territory. But it would be very bad for Russia, or at least Moscow, as the sources of income would fall.

    Multiracial empire is intrinsic in the economic structure of the country, when the wealth of Moscow is not from industry, but because resources are flowing through there from across the world's largest country.

    Also the claim Greasy says about there would be improvement of governance for Russians as a result of this, seems utopian, considering how poorly the leaders of the postsoviet nationalities which are able to be have their own country have been (E.g. Ukraine, Belarus).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thulean Friend, @Derer

  360. @216
    @sudden death

    The rate of abortion in Russia is higher than even the US black rate. The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.

    Additionally, if we can get rid of Griswold we can place a means-tested tax on contraception, which would give us a demographic rebalancing.

    Democracy has done what autocracy cannot. Democracy will do what autocrats cannot.

    America is once again the shining city on a hill that will set a model to emulate.

    Replies: @sudden death

    The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.

    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies that barely have relation to real life – fear does not work much in moments of sexual heat, especially for lower income/IQ individuals. Medicated contraception requires constant both mental and financial discipline which is also mostly absent in such demographics too.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    Don't worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.

    https://www.wbfo.org/state/2022-05-11/gov-kathy-hochul-establishes-35m-fund-to-help-people-seeking-abortions-in-new-york


    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies
     
    I don't disagree with this sentiment though. Conservatives who have pursued and won a notable victory through the courts have largely punted on creating a viable cultural counterpoint and will find the overturning of Roe meaningless unless they can reestablish a culture which holds marriage and child-rearing to be both honored by the state and the populace and a station which is held with high expectations.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @216
    @sudden death

    The lowest TFR in the US is in Puerto Rico, which isn't known for being high income or high IQ.

    US abortion rates have already dropped considerably since the 1970s.

    The Obamacare free birth control was almost certainly a leading cause of declining teen births in the 2010s.

    Replies: @sudden death

  361. According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine’s citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders

    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Matra


    I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.
     
    Probably true in general, but that particular video strikes me as pretty infantile.
    Will probably appeal to people though who liked nonsense like the queen meeting James Bond at the 2012 Olympics. Maybe the next video will feature Paddington bear blowing up Russian tanks.
    , @S
    @Matra


    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.
     
    It's slick propaganda, alright.

    I'd just rather not see the people of Ukraine experience the same thing the British people's own 'greatest generation' has experienced since 1945...ie the betrayal of their own government. Unless there is some sort of change in the trajectory of events, which I hope for, there is no reason to think the Ukrainians won't experience this very same shameful treatment by those who govern them that the Brits did. [See Daily Mail article excerpted and linked below on what the vast majority of Britain's surviving WWII veterans think about the British government.]

    In 1946, using original British veterans and Dutch townspeople present at the fighting, and the ruins still there, the Battle of Arnhem was reenacted in a UK film called Theirs is the Glory. [See You-tube video below]

    From 6:20 - 7:45 in the film we are personally introduced to some of the men who would be fighting in Arnhem. At the film's end we are told
    those we were introduced to are amongst some of the men who had given their life there.

    Would these men, firm believers in freedom, democracy, and parliaments, who gave their all at Arnhem, were they to see the future of Britain and what ill and hateful governance had done to it and it's people, would they still have fought at Arnhem, or, anywhere else during WWII?

    According to the Daily Mail and the book the article reviews, The Unkown Warriors, probably not.


    https://youtu.be/fiFeYxlPYy4

    Hers was a small part in a huge, history-making enterprise, and her contribution epitomises her generation's sense of service and sacrifice.

    Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

    But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No...They feel, in a word that leaps out time and time again, 'betrayed'.
     
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html
  362. A123 says: • Website
    @216
    @Derer

    https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1539582088885805059?cxt=HHwWhoC96Zbw2N0qAAAA

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    As such, they are unacceptable, and a real Administration would have imposed a travel ban on Russians for this trife.

    If not for the opposition of the US Right, there would be NATO ground troops in Ukraine and Russia would have already capitulated. But instead of gratitude towards our neutral stance, we are receiving insults.

    Replies: @songbird, @Mikhail, @A123

    The US embassy’s address in Moscow is now officially “Donetsk People’s Republic Square”

    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.

    ROTFL… Good one….

    If street names were justification for violence there would have already been a civil war in Georgia. No. Not over MLK names. The evil that is Atlanta has named 1/4 of the city’s mileage “Peachtree _____”.

     

     

    I swear… The entire friggen metro area is like this…

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.

    Replies: @A123

    , @songbird
    @A123

    Peaches are good, but peach trees only produce fruit for about a dozen years. What kind of other fruit tree gyps you like that?

    Seen apple trees that must have been >100 years old, still giving apples.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @A123

  363. @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    Khamenei is now 83. It will be easier to wait for his death. Then the IRGC and its allies will engineer a symbolic replacement. ... He will be a titular head of state.
     
    That is certainly a possibility if Khamenei goes down in the next year or two.

    His health status is not publicly available, but he does not show any Biden like mental deterioration that indicates a near term departure from power. Khamenei could hang on for another decade. The situation in Iran is so tenuous that it is likely to blow up before then.



    The IRGC has gone capitalist and runs multiple State Owned Enterprises [SOE]. The way to generate cash from SOE’s is ending Khamenei’s senseless aggression and rejoining the global economy.
     
    Iran won’t open up to the global economy because the Ukraine conflict is killing Globalism. However, it will further develop trade relations with China, India, South East Asia, and, less so, Russia and other countries
     
    I was not using the term "global" to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.

    Leftoids have glommed economically non-viable concepts on to these systems. For example, green energy and transfer payments for mythical Global Cooling / Warming / Change hysteria. Additionally, the CCP Elites (with MegaCorporation co-conspirators) have rigged "international rules based order", such as the WTO, to the point where it is unsalvageable.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    You say

    I was not using the term “global” to mean UN/NWO Globalist trade. Almost every nation, including American and Iran, will be leaving failing Globalist trade institutions.

    I’m in complete agreement.

    To end the exploitation of American Workers, the U.S. will effectively jettison this Globalist claptrap as part of MAGA Reindustrialization.

    I certainly hope so.

    As for Khamenei, we live in interesting times. The next few years will tell.

  364. German_reader says:
    @Matra
    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine’s citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders

    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I'll say this for the Ukrainians, they're PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

    I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    Probably true in general, but that particular video strikes me as pretty infantile.
    Will probably appeal to people though who liked nonsense like the queen meeting James Bond at the 2012 Olympics. Maybe the next video will feature Paddington bear blowing up Russian tanks.

  365. AP says:
    @Beckow

    AP relentlessly, soporifically belabors some complete irrelevancy for the sole purpose that it helps him think he’s “winning.”
     
    Agree (but I would, wouldn't I?) I usually give up on him - AP has either a mental condition, a form of autism, or he is a result of spotty, random American education: eager AP wanted to be better so he read. He grasps factoids and does research - but he gets the context wrong.

    That is a charitable explanation. AP is so obsessed with winning that he intentionally sticks his head in the weeds to pretend. Vengeful people cannot stand losing and so AP abandons any sense of proportion.


    ...for you it’s always 1410...slavs of all varieties are always having to fight off hateful germanics
     
    That's roughly right, for the sake of clarity and brevity I overplay it. That perspective is suppressed in the West and fools like "Greasy William" tell us that WWII=Holocaust. It is a more insidious idiocy than AP's lame attempts at anarcho-terrorism.

    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West. As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn't physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990's. Newly weak Germans went along. It will again end in a catastrophe. Using Slav nations to fight each other is clever, but it has also been done in the past - at the end the West will lose: they are too far and not willing to die for it. We Slavs, for all our faults, are stubborn and resourceful bastards.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

    Replies: @AP

    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.

    In its destruction and ethnocide of Novgorod and mass murder of Ukrainians and Poles, Moscow has been nearly as harmful towards Slavs as the Germans have been. In your myopia you only see the Germans.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy

    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @AP


    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.
     
    Whatever differences we may have, you're spot on here. Beckow is probably 40, at most. His memories of the period before 1990 are probably very limited at best, Perhaps he wasn't even born then.
    I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    Replies: @Beckow

  366. @sudden death
    @216


    The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.
     
    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies that barely have relation to real life - fear does not work much in moments of sexual heat, especially for lower income/IQ individuals. Medicated contraception requires constant both mental and financial discipline which is also mostly absent in such demographics too.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @216

    Don’t worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.

    https://www.wbfo.org/state/2022-05-11/gov-kathy-hochul-establishes-35m-fund-to-help-people-seeking-abortions-in-new-york

    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies

    I don’t disagree with this sentiment though. Conservatives who have pursued and won a notable victory through the courts have largely punted on creating a viable cultural counterpoint and will find the overturning of Roe meaningless unless they can reestablish a culture which holds marriage and child-rearing to be both honored by the state and the populace and a station which is held with high expectations.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Barbarossa


    Don’t worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.
     
    ...and this noble and useful practice of reducing future criminals numbers will be quickly done as illegal by self owning conservatives wishes, lol

    by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.
     
    Cited above glorious conservative future description copyrighted by 216 ;) It is perfectly understandable that blackie judge Clarence Thomas is rooting for his own racial expansion, but what the heck are others thinking out there in Supreme Court?

    Replies: @216

  367. @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    Nationalism in Russia supports separating from the nonslavic parts of the empire (for Russians) and from the Russians (for at least nonslavic nonrussians). From the Russian nationalism, is not so unsensible, in terms of Chechen Republic, Dagestan, Tuva.

    Nationalist Russians are often even racist against larger nationalities like Tatars, that suffer increasing intermarriage rates. Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation, as the intermarriage rate is unsustainable for them.

    For the nationalist Tatars, it's really an emergency situation this century, as the Tatar population will dissolve even in the ethnic sense in the next few generation. So it's more of a dangerous situation for the nationalists among the minority nationalities at the moment.

    A problem is that Russia's economy is based in resource extraction and a lot of the resources are in the nonslavic land.

    For example, Alrosa (one of the most important employers in Russia, the world's largest diamond mining corporation), is primarily wealthy from the diamonds of Yakutia.

    If you separate from Yakuts, you would lose the wealth under their feet. This separation would be great for Yakuts, currently they are being asset stripped. They would be able to invest the wealth in their own territory. But it would be very bad for Russia, or at least Moscow, as the sources of income would fall.

    Multiracial empire is intrinsic in the economic structure of the country, when the wealth of Moscow is not from industry, but because resources are flowing through there from across the world's largest country.

    Also the claim Greasy says about there would be improvement of governance for Russians as a result of this, seems utopian, considering how poorly the leaders of the postsoviet nationalities which are able to be have their own country have been (E.g. Ukraine, Belarus).

    Replies: @German_reader, @Thulean Friend, @Derer

    Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation,

    One cannot have a hostile (separatist) nation locked in within Russian federation. West Berlin would not have survived without Soviet tolerance.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Derer

    Intermarriage rates means Tatars will disappear as a potential nation this century. From the nationalist perspective it is an emergency situation for numerical reasons, as minorities much more rapidly dissolve by intermarriage.

    But from an imperialist perspective, it is a normal "melting pot", where the minorities are ethnically absorbed by the majority nationality.

    Already by 1989, the demographic loss of viability for Tatar nationalism becoming evident, and in the last thirty years the absorption was more rapid.

    Jews had been a couple of generations more advanced than Tatars in terms of intermarriage rates, however, Tatars don't have prestige, diaspora or much religious identity to rescue them (in nationalist sense) from absorption, unlike Jews where it is very fashionable to discover "Jewish roots" by the 2000s, the desire for rediscovery of "Tatar roots" will probably not be so fashionable the second or third generations after intermarriage.

    In 1959, out of all children born to Tatar women, the percentage of children born to mixed couples (we have no data on the number of such marriages) was as low as 8.6%. Twenty years later, in 1979, it was 31.0%, or 3.6 times more. Among the urban Tatar population in 1989 this percentage reached 40.2%.

    At the same time, in 1989, the percentage of children born to mixed couples among all children born to a Jewish mother reached 59.2%, or 2.2 times more than in 1959.

    Data on the offspring of mixed Russian-Tatar and Russian-Jewish couples show a clear preference for Russian ethnic affiliation of children. Even according to the 1994 microcensus, this was the preference on average for 81% of the children of Russian-Tatar couples.
     

  368. @AP
    @Beckow


    1410 is too far back, but the attempted German genocide of Slavs in WWII and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.
     
    In its destruction and ethnocide of Novgorod and mass murder of Ukrainians and Poles, Moscow has been nearly as harmful towards Slavs as the Germans have been. In your myopia you only see the Germans.

    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy
     
    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.

    Whatever differences we may have, you’re spot on here. Beckow is probably 40, at most. His memories of the period before 1990 are probably very limited at best, Perhaps he wasn’t even born then.
    I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive

    I judge by results, what do you do? By 1989, Czech-Slovakia had 15 million people (with almost no foreigners), economy was 3 times larger, living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon, higher than southern half of Italy or northern England wastelands. And way higher then in the American South for the average people.

    The "could-be-even-better" argument can be applied to anything. It could be a lot better now in the West, pre-WWII Central Europe, under the Habsburgs, etc... It is meaningless what-if speculation.

    You meandering recollection of the 80's Hungary is pointless. The difference between life in Prague and Naples or Dublin at that time was also stark: I met Irish and Italians who were shocked and said "we were lied to in the West". Austria is a golden country, they did well. But they also imported around 1.5 million migrants and will have to live with the consequences forever. We don't have them yet.

    But have your version, you are an old man why let off illusions? It was khmer-rouge and gulags all the way, "bread lines" and shooting in the streets. Live it up with AP, it is a good self-therapy for AP's current misery. And you can affirm that your life is not at least partially a lie, because "Hungary was poorer".

    Replies: @German_reader

  369. @216
    @Beckow


    We also had the golden 1945-90 when we massively grew in numbers and economy, and the cultures were consolidated. The numbers between 1945-90 are indisputable, like night and day: successful evolutionary decades. It will be ugly with huge risks, but the Western drive for full control will loose as before. Either partially or completely, it is their choice how soon they make a deal. The performers in Kiev are a distraction.

     

    The need for lustration laws that forbid the glorification of communism are readily apparent.

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Derer

    There is no right to shill for murderous totalitarian regimes, which Americans sacrificed so much in order to destroy.

    The schizophrenic Washington fought ideology in Vietnam (and lost) but embraced and build up communists in China. What destruction are you talking about?

    • Agree: S
  370. @Barbarossa
    @sudden death

    Don't worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.

    https://www.wbfo.org/state/2022-05-11/gov-kathy-hochul-establishes-35m-fund-to-help-people-seeking-abortions-in-new-york


    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies
     
    I don't disagree with this sentiment though. Conservatives who have pursued and won a notable victory through the courts have largely punted on creating a viable cultural counterpoint and will find the overturning of Roe meaningless unless they can reestablish a culture which holds marriage and child-rearing to be both honored by the state and the populace and a station which is held with high expectations.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Don’t worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.

    …and this noble and useful practice of reducing future criminals numbers will be quickly done as illegal by self owning conservatives wishes, lol

    by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.

    Cited above glorious conservative future description copyrighted by 216 😉 It is perfectly understandable that blackie judge Clarence Thomas is rooting for his own racial expansion, but what the heck are others thinking out there in Supreme Court?

    • Replies: @216
    @sudden death

    You will witness the full power of the dark side come 2024. If we can ban abortion, they we can certainly impose an immigration moratorium too.

    Replies: @sudden death

  371. @sudden death
    @216


    The higher black rate is also a function of unwillingness or incorrect use of contraception. Which will certainly be changed when women are in greater fear.
     
    More ivory tower puritanic fantasies that barely have relation to real life - fear does not work much in moments of sexual heat, especially for lower income/IQ individuals. Medicated contraception requires constant both mental and financial discipline which is also mostly absent in such demographics too.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @216

    The lowest TFR in the US is in Puerto Rico, which isn’t known for being high income or high IQ.

    US abortion rates have already dropped considerably since the 1970s.

    The Obamacare free birth control was almost certainly a leading cause of declining teen births in the 2010s.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @216

    Abortion is legal and almost unlimited in Puerto Rico and rates were similar to US blacks, above twenty, so it is not surprising TFR being low. It would have meaning only if abortion was unavailable and rates remained low, but not in current situation.

    If overall abortion rates in US dropped considerably, so why all this conservative ado about nothing?

    Overall abortion rates also are quite meaningless, need to look into rates by race in order to have prediction of future banning impact.

    And the impact will be such that there will be much more offspring from most poor and impulsive population (mostly black in US) which is not even mentally capable to avoid unwanted pregnancies by contraception/birth control thanx to nobody, but self owning conservatives.

  372. @sudden death
    @Barbarossa


    Don’t worry, liberal states will dispatch elite Planned Parenthood swat teams to airlift BIPOC uterus- havers out of red states for their abortions.
     
    ...and this noble and useful practice of reducing future criminals numbers will be quickly done as illegal by self owning conservatives wishes, lol

    by 2024, Trump will be back with a GOP majority in Congress to outlaw it in the remaining Bluestans.
     
    Cited above glorious conservative future description copyrighted by 216 ;) It is perfectly understandable that blackie judge Clarence Thomas is rooting for his own racial expansion, but what the heck are others thinking out there in Supreme Court?

    Replies: @216

    You will witness the full power of the dark side come 2024. If we can ban abortion, they we can certainly impose an immigration moratorium too.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @216

    Dark power, shade and share in US will certainly increase no doubt about it when immigrating latino streams will be stopped and low income black births will explode thanx to unlimited strategic self ownage of conservative wills ;)

  373. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    My idea was to gather the largest pool of people and it was explained three times, intentionally, so that it would be absolutely clear, but you still didn’t get it
     
    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score than the actual Russian population has, and even when this was explained to you more than once you continue making excuses.

    This demonstrates that it wasn't simply a mistake, but intellectual dishonesty.


    First my intention was to include the regions with higher than 95 percent share of Russians, but that would have excluded a huge pool of people living in Moscow and Moscow Oblast, Saint Petersburg and Novosibirsk
     
    Fair enough. The problem is that Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Of course, even this correction wouldn't have been enough to remove a high-IQ bias in your methodology, because your sample was still weighted in favor of more populous, more urban regions which have higher average intelligence than rural ones as measured on tests.

    By playing your dishonest tricks you produced a result of 101.2 for PISDA-derived IQ estimate of the Russian population, when the actual number would be lower (I guessed around 100.5, but could be even lower than that).


    "We can compare the PISA scores of these Russian regions with those of white Americans directly. White Americans scored 518. This is lower than Muscovites but only slightly lower than Russians in St. Petersburg and higher than all other Russians."

    ....

    There’s no such data as in that blog post on the OECD site. There’s a link in the post, but on that page no such data is present. No White Americans whatsoever. That blogger apparently made it up, in order to say that each race in America appears to average a little better, than their racial cousins overseas.
     

    The blogger, Steven Sailer, did not make it up. You just failed to find it.

    You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    Here are 2015 PISA results by race for the USA:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2015/index.asp

    The average for science, reading and mathematics for White Americans is 519 (one point higher than it was in 2012).

    All-Russian (not ethnic Russian) average for PISA was 492.

    Here are Russian 2015 PISA results:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-pisa-results-2015/

    Average White American scored the same as average Russian from Kaliningrad in the same year. On the map you posted that would be 102.8.

    Which is higher Sharikov, 102.8 or 101.2 (or 100.5, a likelier figure)?


    So according to PISA, the average white American would have an IQ of around 104. But we know that in reality it is 101.

    First of all, we don’t know. Share that information source.
     

    Well, YOU posted that. Have you lost track of your lies, Sharikov?

    Here is your post:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5400189

    Here are your words: "Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101.."


    in my estimation the IQ of ethnic Russians in 2015 came out 101.2, which is 2.5% higher than the average of Russia back then.
     
    See above, about how your estimate is false.

    Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon knocks all the pieces over. Then shits all over the board. Then struts around, like it won.
     
    A more realistic analogy: you were caught cheating at checkers, and then you try to hide it by making convoluted arguments involving chess rules.

    BTW here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA:

    It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia and that this number was 97.9. This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.

    First, the results given in Table 1 show that the British-scaled IQ of the urban Russians averaged from the two city samples weighted by sample size was 101.7 and of the village sample was 91.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.9. This is marginally higher than the IQ for Russia given as 96.6 by Lynn and Vanhanen (2012) on the basis of three studies from European Russia. These results are the first to show that the IQ of Russians is approximately the same in Asiatic Russia as in European Russia.

    Second, the results given in Table 1 show that the IQ of the urban Yakuts averaged from the two samples weighted by sample size was 98.6 and of the village sample was 94.2. The population of the province is 64 percent urban and 36 percent rural. Thus, weighting the IQs of the urban and rural samples by their percentages in the province gives an IQ of 97.0.

    Third, the Russians obtained a slightly higher IQ than the Yakuts in the Yakutsk sample while the Yakuts obtained slightly higher IQs than the Russians in the Viluysk and village samples, but none of these differences was statistically significant. The IQs of the combined samples are estimated as 97.0 (SD 15.1) for the Yakuts (N=738) and 97.9 (SD 16.5) for the ethnic Russians (N=120). This difference is trivial and not statistically significant (t=.56). Therefore the IQs of the two samples should be regarded as approximately the same. Weighting these IQs by the percentages of Yakuts and Russians in the province of 49.9 and 37.8, respectively, gives an IQ of 97.4 for the province.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Hi.

    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score.

    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn’t have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It’s 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

    If you continue adding regions the share of minorities will exceed 5 percent. If you omit the most populous regions, such as Moscow the list will be comprised of provincial areas alone. Either way the result will not reflect the reality.

    So – the parameters and conditions were selected, and the list happened to be what it is. That’s a natural selection coming from the Russian census. The fact that it happened to be 20 regions, no more no less, is accidental.

    And after it had been compiled the IQ scores were counted.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There’s no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.

    Here are your words: “Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101.”

    Yes indeed. My memory doesn’t serve me right someties. Thank you for reminding me – this is relevant and on point.

    See above, about how your estimate is false.

    Your argument is false.

    My estimate is as good as it an be. The sampled area covers all of the Russia’s territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn’t depend on the score.

    Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA.

    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That’s a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn’t correlate with the Wechsler test.

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.

    This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia.

    No compadre that was a complete bullshit.

    Some assortment of researches, if you may call it that, from various decades, some are twenty years old, each one is using a different test, scaling up the result to the standard – it’s amazing that this kind of drivel is getting published.

    These are not equal to the real IQ test, and of these no other but PISA has a correlation with the WAIS test scores.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn’t have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It’s 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

     

    Your methodology is well understood, the problem as I have already explained twice is that Moscow is an outlier in terms of PISA-derived IQ with an average of 106.3. Much higher than other Russian regions.

    Muscovites are about 10% of all Russians, but they are 20% of your Russian sample of approximately 50 million. Because your sample includes all Muscovites but only half of other Russians, your sample's average IQ is skewed upward and therefore overestimates Russian IQ.

    The honest adjustment to make in your calculations would have been to halve the number of Muscovites so they correspond to the percentage of Muscovites among all Russians.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There’s no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.
     
    You claimed he invented the number - you accused him of lying. When you just didn't want to find the actual data, that could be found in 2 minutes on google.

    The link I provided also provided a path to the 2012 results. I just used the 2015 results in order to compare to the map you posted.

    The sampled area covers all of the Russia’s territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn’t depend on the score.
     
    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.

    "Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA."

    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That’s a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn’t correlate with the Wechsler test.
     
    You packed quite a few lies into your little statement, Sharikov. Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is an actual IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test (I posted that but you haven't even addressed it, you ignored it).

    If you don't believe me, ask the psychologist at Unz, Dr. James Thompson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices

    Raven's Progressive Matrices (often referred to simply as Raven's Matrices) or RPM is a non-verbal test typically used to measure general human intelligence and abstract reasoning and is regarded as a non-verbal estimate of fluid intelligence.[1] It is one of the most common tests administered to both groups and individuals ranging from 5-year-olds to the elderly.

    The routine administration of what became the Standard Progressive Matrices to all entrants (conscripts) to many military services throughout the world (including the Soviet Union) continued at least until the present century. It was by bringing together these data that James R. Flynn was able to place the intergenerational increase in scores beyond reasonable doubt.[7] Flynn's path-breaking publications on IQ gains around the world have led to the phenomenon of the gains being known as the Flynn effect. Among Robert L. Thorndike[8] and other researchers who preceded Flynn in finding evidence of IQ score gains was John Raven,[9] reporting on studies with the RPM.

    The high IQ societies Intertel and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) accept the RAPM as a qualification for admission,[13][14] and so does the International High IQ Society.[15]

    Correlation of Raven's with Wechsler:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.
     
    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample with no adjustment and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  374. In Kiev regime controlled Ukraine, there’s greater freedom for instances like the below when compared to those having moderate pro-Russian perspectives:

    https://twitter.com/RetyezatiRambo/status/1540495815600480256

  375. @216
    @sudden death

    You will witness the full power of the dark side come 2024. If we can ban abortion, they we can certainly impose an immigration moratorium too.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Dark power, shade and share in US will certainly increase no doubt about it when immigrating latino streams will be stopped and low income black births will explode thanx to unlimited strategic self ownage of conservative wills 😉

  376. @A123
    @216



    The US embassy's address in Moscow is now officially "Donetsk People's Republic Square"
     
    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.
     
    ROTFL... Good one....

    If street names were justification for violence there would have already been a civil war in Georgia. No. Not over MLK names. The evil that is Atlanta has named 1/4 of the city's mileage "Peachtree _____".

     
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-geo-images/e4875c0f-18f3-44da-82c6-5f280ebe5c8b.jpg
     

    I swear... The entire friggen metro area is like this...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?
     
    My understanding is that they are fairly common as a residential, backyard tree. However, the agricultural breeds have large fruit that really need to be picked.

    An agricultural tree that drops fruit on soil will attract all sorts of scavengers and insects. Worse yet, the local deer have figured out that peaches are easy calories. Any peach tree near a road is an accident just waiting to happen.

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.
     
    https://allmanbrothersband.com/discography/eat-a-peach/

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://allmanbrothersband.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/eat-a-peach-2.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  377. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    British Prime Minister Johnson fears that Ukraine will be pressured to conclude a peace agreement with Russia, which does not meet its interests...

    He means UK interests not Ukraine ones...
     

    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine's citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. :-( I wonder why? Must be an example of the West's superior marketing prowess, it couldn't possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    https://youtu.be/os0FLlKgHMo

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. 🙁 I wonder why? Must be an example of the West’s superior marketing prowess, it couldn’t possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    Easier to get dumbed down in a totalitarian society that in this instance pertains to the matter of extreme Kiev regime censorship and fudging of certain particulars. Back in 2009 when Ukraine was considerably freer, a Ukrainian poll had Putin as the number one leading political figure, besting anyone in Ukraine as well as elsewhere. Like I said back in early April –

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of some nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict, whose end result could’ve occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction, resulting from Russia’s military action.

    In turn, Putin could be increasingly viewed as someone who for years had tried to reasonably see a peaceful implementation of the 2015 UN approved Minsk Protocol and need for a new European security arrangement.

    For those selectively seeing Putin as a monster, consider Madeleine Albright’s infamous comment on the large-scale Iraqi deaths caused by US military action and how she has been given kudos by the likes of Wesley Clark.

    A number of Kiev regime claims about Russia’s military action have been later proven false. It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.
     
    Believe me I'm not. Every member of my family in Ukraine curses the day that Putler was born. Every other Ukrainian that I've talked to lately also hates him. Only kremlin stooges like you think highly about him and will try and do all manner of sanitization to whitewash his evil and sinister ways. But you'll find out soon enough that no amount of "ethnic sanitizer" will be able to cleanse his hands of Ukrainian blood, or of those who support and shill for him, like you. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail, @RadicalCenter

  378. A123 says: • Website

    I give Europe a hard time for their WEF Elites exporting SJW dysfunction to America. However, there are Europeans who are very different.

    Red Bull Erzbergrodeo attracts up to 1,800 competitors annually to the historic mining town of Eisenerz in Austria.

    Known as the world’s toughest single-day enduro, 35km of treacherous terrain, including boulder gardens and forestry climbs, awaits the riders, with only the bravest few reaching the finish line.

    Perhaps this is the way to fix Brussels. Instead of easily corrupted elections, use this race.

    — Top finishers from each country become their nation’s MEP’s. —

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    https://www.redbull.com/us-en/live/fim-hard-enduro-world-championship-2022-red-bull-erzbergrodeo-main-race

     

     

  379. • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    When the East Ukrainians are mass murdered, have their cities bombed out and their population scattered by Russian artillery, I guess Ukrainianization has indeed ended for them. No East Ukraine, no Ukrainianization in East Ukraine.

    Stalin's famous quote: "When there's a person, there's a problem. When there's no person, there's no problem.”

    Putin is applying this to the people of East Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  380. A123 says: • Website
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.

    Replies: @A123

    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?

    My understanding is that they are fairly common as a residential, backyard tree. However, the agricultural breeds have large fruit that really need to be picked.

    An agricultural tree that drops fruit on soil will attract all sorts of scavengers and insects. Worse yet, the local deer have figured out that peaches are easy calories. Any peach tree near a road is an accident just waiting to happen.

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.

    https://allmanbrothersband.com/discography/eat-a-peach/

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I saw the Allman Brothers perform once, and listened to them from outside the gates of an outside concert one time (all sold out). I always liked their hard wired, organ infused sound, and they made a big hit in the north country of Minnesota. Lots of good memories of cranking up their music on our Sony tape player, cruising up and down the streets of the Twin Cities in by best friends candy apple red Chrysler barracuda. :-)

    https://www.oldcarsweekly.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_620/MTg0ODg2OTc1NzMwMjk2Mjk1/original-one-owner-1973-plymouth-cuda-a020.webp

  381. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    British Prime Minister Johnson fears that Ukraine will be pressured to conclude a peace agreement with Russia, which does not meet its interests...

    He means UK interests not Ukraine ones...
     

    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine's citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. :-( I wonder why? Must be an example of the West's superior marketing prowess, it couldn't possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.

    https://youtu.be/os0FLlKgHMo

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Beckow

    How do you poll in a war? You are so simple-minded that I may yet sell you a ‘condo-in-Mariupol‘ on a rocky beach.

    One gets a call in Lvov or Kiev: “Do you like Putin?“…what goes through a person’s mind when they answer?

    BoJo at disappointing 49%. What about the other 51%, why don’t they get on with the program? Are they possibly Irish?

    BoJo’s low rating is a good indication of the overall mood. Think it through.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    It's done all of the time in Russia. You mean you didn't know? :-)

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/16529230_web1_web_rmz-june3.jpg?crop=1

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AnonfromTN

  382. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Hi.


    Your method was quite clear and not misunderstood: you chose a sample that was skewed with a higher average estimated IQ score.
     
    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn't have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It's 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

    If you continue adding regions the share of minorities will exceed 5 percent. If you omit the most populous regions, such as Moscow the list will be comprised of provincial areas alone. Either way the result will not reflect the reality.

    So – the parameters and conditions were selected, and the list happened to be what it is. That's a natural selection coming from the Russian census. The fact that it happened to be 20 regions, no more no less, is accidental.

    And after it had been compiled the IQ scores were counted.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.
     
    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There's no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.

    Here are your words: “Likewise, according to the researches referenced below the IQ of American Whites is 101.”
     
    Yes indeed. My memory doesn't serve me right someties. Thank you for reminding me – this is relevant and on point.

    See above, about how your estimate is false.
     
    Your argument is false.

    My estimate is as good as it an be. The sampled area covers all of the Russia's territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn't depend on the score.

    Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA.
     
    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven's Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That's a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn't correlate with the Wechsler test.

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.

    This was a comprehensive sample including urban, small town, and rural Russians.It found that the IQ of ethnic Russians in Yakutia was marginally higher than for ethnic Russians in European Russia.
     
    No compadre that was a complete bullshit.

    Some assortment of researches, if you may call it that, from various decades, some are twenty years old, each one is using a different test, scaling up the result to the standard – it's amazing that this kind of drivel is getting published.

    These are not equal to the real IQ test, and of these no other but PISA has a correlation with the WAIS test scores.

    Replies: @AP

    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn’t have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It’s 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

    Your methodology is well understood, the problem as I have already explained twice is that Moscow is an outlier in terms of PISA-derived IQ with an average of 106.3. Much higher than other Russian regions.

    Muscovites are about 10% of all Russians, but they are 20% of your Russian sample of approximately 50 million. Because your sample includes all Muscovites but only half of other Russians, your sample’s average IQ is skewed upward and therefore overestimates Russian IQ.

    The honest adjustment to make in your calculations would have been to halve the number of Muscovites so they correspond to the percentage of Muscovites among all Russians.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There’s no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.

    You claimed he invented the number – you accused him of lying. When you just didn’t want to find the actual data, that could be found in 2 minutes on google.

    The link I provided also provided a path to the 2012 results. I just used the 2015 results in order to compare to the map you posted.

    The sampled area covers all of the Russia’s territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn’t depend on the score.

    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.

    “Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA.”

    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That’s a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn’t correlate with the Wechsler test.

    You packed quite a few lies into your little statement, Sharikov. Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is an actual IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test (I posted that but you haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it).

    If you don’t believe me, ask the psychologist at Unz, Dr. James Thompson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices

    Raven’s Progressive Matrices (often referred to simply as Raven’s Matrices) or RPM is a non-verbal test typically used to measure general human intelligence and abstract reasoning and is regarded as a non-verbal estimate of fluid intelligence.[1] It is one of the most common tests administered to both groups and individuals ranging from 5-year-olds to the elderly.

    The routine administration of what became the Standard Progressive Matrices to all entrants (conscripts) to many military services throughout the world (including the Soviet Union) continued at least until the present century. It was by bringing together these data that James R. Flynn was able to place the intergenerational increase in scores beyond reasonable doubt.[7] Flynn’s path-breaking publications on IQ gains around the world have led to the phenomenon of the gains being known as the Flynn effect. Among Robert L. Thorndike[8] and other researchers who preceded Flynn in finding evidence of IQ score gains was John Raven,[9] reporting on studies with the RPM.

    The high IQ societies Intertel and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) accept the RAPM as a qualification for admission,[13][14] and so does the International High IQ Society.[15]

    Correlation of Raven’s with Wechsler:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.

    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample with no adjustment and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts. Stop doing that. That's moronic.

    Stop being such a bozo.


    You claimed he invented the number – you accused him of lying.
     
    No. "Probably" doesn't mean accusation it's an assumption. Since he didn't provide his readers with a reference, it was normal to assume he could have made it up. Bloggers often do that.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.

    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.
     
    Has been corrected. Didn't change much.

    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.
     
    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can't make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That's the easiest part of the Wechsler test.

    You can do this block well and fail the others.

    "The aim of the present study was to investigate whether there is an association between WAIS Full Scale IQ and RPM in patients with psychosis."

    You keep posting the same thing twice, it's annoying and doesn't make any sense.

    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.
     
    The problem is not even the rural population, this region is in general not a good frame of reference – it's an outlier as you call it, with 92.5 score and 50 percent Yakutians, 38 percent Russians.

    Doesn't cut it.
  383. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1540718432148230145

    Replies: @AP

    When the East Ukrainians are mass murdered, have their cities bombed out and their population scattered by Russian artillery, I guess Ukrainianization has indeed ended for them. No East Ukraine, no Ukrainianization in East Ukraine.

    Stalin’s famous quote: “When there’s a person, there’s a problem. When there’s no person, there’s no problem.”

    Putin is applying this to the people of East Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    The likes of yourself keep downplaying the Kiev regime tactic of using civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.

    Replies: @AP

  384. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders, only tipping his hat to Zelensky who comes in at 79%. Not surprisingly, your beloved Putler is at the bottom of the list, coming in at a -87%. 🙁 I wonder why? Must be an example of the West’s superior marketing prowess, it couldn’t possibly be anything that this SOB has done in Ukraine.
     
    Easier to get dumbed down in a totalitarian society that in this instance pertains to the matter of extreme Kiev regime censorship and fudging of certain particulars. Back in 2009 when Ukraine was considerably freer, a Ukrainian poll had Putin as the number one leading political figure, besting anyone in Ukraine as well as elsewhere. Like I said back in early April -

    In time, a greater number of Ukrainians might begin questioning Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, as someone who (under the influence of some nationalists) further instigated and prolonged a conflict, whose end result could’ve occurred on better terms for Ukraine, without the deaths, displacement and destruction, resulting from Russia’s military action.

    In turn, Putin could be increasingly viewed as someone who for years had tried to reasonably see a peaceful implementation of the 2015 UN approved Minsk Protocol and need for a new European security arrangement.

    For those selectively seeing Putin as a monster, consider Madeleine Albright’s infamous comment on the large-scale Iraqi deaths caused by US military action and how she has been given kudos by the likes of Wesley Clark.

    A number of Kiev regime claims about Russia’s military action have been later proven false. It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.

    Believe me I’m not. Every member of my family in Ukraine curses the day that Putler was born. Every other Ukrainian that I’ve talked to lately also hates him. Only kremlin stooges like you think highly about him and will try and do all manner of sanitization to whitewash his evil and sinister ways. But you’ll find out soon enough that no amount of “ethnic sanitizer” will be able to cleanse his hands of Ukrainian blood, or of those who support and shill for him, like you. 🙁

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    A French TV report on Lisichansk indicates otherwise, along with other areas liberated or about to be - once again noting the more positive review Russian and Donbass rebel forces received over the Kiev regime's, from Mariupol's ethnic Greek population, which fled to Greece and are therefore are clearly free of any pressure from Kiev regime and pro-Russian forces.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Funny, we just made the acquaintance of a ukrainian woman living in Georgia (married to a Georgian, settled there), and she tended to "understand why" Russia felt the necessity to do what it did. She was from Zaporizhzhia. There's some countervailing anecdotal evidence.

    But she must just be a Kremlin stooge as well, eh?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  385. @Derer
    @Dmitry


    Tatar nationalists are losing their historic opportunity for a nation,
     
    One cannot have a hostile (separatist) nation locked in within Russian federation. West Berlin would not have survived without Soviet tolerance.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Intermarriage rates means Tatars will disappear as a potential nation this century. From the nationalist perspective it is an emergency situation for numerical reasons, as minorities much more rapidly dissolve by intermarriage.

    But from an imperialist perspective, it is a normal “melting pot”, where the minorities are ethnically absorbed by the majority nationality.

    Already by 1989, the demographic loss of viability for Tatar nationalism becoming evident, and in the last thirty years the absorption was more rapid.

    Jews had been a couple of generations more advanced than Tatars in terms of intermarriage rates, however, Tatars don’t have prestige, diaspora or much religious identity to rescue them (in nationalist sense) from absorption, unlike Jews where it is very fashionable to discover “Jewish roots” by the 2000s, the desire for rediscovery of “Tatar roots” will probably not be so fashionable the second or third generations after intermarriage.

    In 1959, out of all children born to Tatar women, the percentage of children born to mixed couples (we have no data on the number of such marriages) was as low as 8.6%. Twenty years later, in 1979, it was 31.0%, or 3.6 times more. Among the urban Tatar population in 1989 this percentage reached 40.2%.

    At the same time, in 1989, the percentage of children born to mixed couples among all children born to a Jewish mother reached 59.2%, or 2.2 times more than in 1959.

    Data on the offspring of mixed Russian-Tatar and Russian-Jewish couples show a clear preference for Russian ethnic affiliation of children. Even according to the 1994 microcensus, this was the preference on average for 81% of the children of Russian-Tatar couples.

  386. @AP
    @Mikhail

    When the East Ukrainians are mass murdered, have their cities bombed out and their population scattered by Russian artillery, I guess Ukrainianization has indeed ended for them. No East Ukraine, no Ukrainianization in East Ukraine.

    Stalin's famous quote: "When there's a person, there's a problem. When there's no person, there's no problem.”

    Putin is applying this to the people of East Ukraine.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    The likes of yourself keep downplaying the Kiev regime tactic of using civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It's not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

    Ironically, most of the inhabitants of those cities have fled and the remaining ones appear to be more likely members of the pro-Russian minority who chose to stay behind and wait for the Russians to take over (Severodonetsk had 100,000 people, about 90,000+ of them fled to more secure Kiev-controlled territory). So the hardcore pro-Russians (5% to 10% of the population there) are the ones getting blown up by the Russian invaders. The Russian military is killing far more pro-Russians in East Ukraine than any Ukrainian nationalist formations ever did.

    It's funny how pro-Russians objected to the argument that the Donbas deaths of 2014-2021 were human shields but are quick to use that same argument regarding civilian casualties when Russia levels East Ukrainian cities.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  387. AP says:
    @Mikhail
    @AP

    The likes of yourself keep downplaying the Kiev regime tactic of using civilians and their infrastructure as human shields.

    Replies: @AP

    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It’s not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

    Ironically, most of the inhabitants of those cities have fled and the remaining ones appear to be more likely members of the pro-Russian minority who chose to stay behind and wait for the Russians to take over (Severodonetsk had 100,000 people, about 90,000+ of them fled to more secure Kiev-controlled territory). So the hardcore pro-Russians (5% to 10% of the population there) are the ones getting blown up by the Russian invaders. The Russian military is killing far more pro-Russians in East Ukraine than any Ukrainian nationalist formations ever did.

    It’s funny how pro-Russians objected to the argument that the Donbas deaths of 2014-2021 were human shields but are quick to use that same argument regarding civilian casualties when Russia levels East Ukrainian cities.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It’s not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

     

    The Donbass rebels did. Pre-2/24/2022 polling in Donbass indicated a willingness to live in a truly federalized Ukraine - something opposed by the Kiev regime, as the latter built up its military in a threatening position.

    Bill Arkin's Newsweek article debunks the image of Russia seeking to indiscriminately erase Ukraine:

    https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494
  388. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.
     
    Believe me I'm not. Every member of my family in Ukraine curses the day that Putler was born. Every other Ukrainian that I've talked to lately also hates him. Only kremlin stooges like you think highly about him and will try and do all manner of sanitization to whitewash his evil and sinister ways. But you'll find out soon enough that no amount of "ethnic sanitizer" will be able to cleanse his hands of Ukrainian blood, or of those who support and shill for him, like you. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail, @RadicalCenter

    A French TV report on Lisichansk indicates otherwise, along with other areas liberated or about to be – once again noting the more positive review Russian and Donbass rebel forces received over the Kiev regime’s, from Mariupol’s ethnic Greek population, which fled to Greece and are therefore are clearly free of any pressure from Kiev regime and pro-Russian forces.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Quit trying to inculcate this site with your stupid propaganda. I have Greek blood running through my veins going back several centuries. One of my best friends today is Greek, and is very supportive of Patriarch Bartholomew's efforts to free the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from the confines of Russian Orthodox oppression. Here's a quite good article about the true stance of the Greek community in Mariupol:


    In an emotional letter of appeal to the international community and Greeks all over the globe, published on the international media in the second week of March under the title ‘Save us’, Alexandra Protsenko-Pichadzhi, President of the Federation of Greek Communities of Ukraine, describes the humanitarian catastrophe that Mariupol has been experiencing, as the city has been left without water, electricity, or communications. Citing the killing of Greeks by Russian troops and the destruction of Greek villages, Protsenko speaks of ‘genocide’ and calls for help inorganising a “corridor for the evacuation of the Greeks from the settlements surrounded by the enemy and the provision of humanitarian assistance’.
     
    https://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Areas/Ukraine/Ukraine-Greek-Mariupol-is-no-more-217958

    Replies: @Mikhail

  389. @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Are there any peach trees left inside the ring interstate?
     
    My understanding is that they are fairly common as a residential, backyard tree. However, the agricultural breeds have large fruit that really need to be picked.

    An agricultural tree that drops fruit on soil will attract all sorts of scavengers and insects. Worse yet, the local deer have figured out that peaches are easy calories. Any peach tree near a road is an accident just waiting to happen.

    Google image search failed to find an Eat a Peach album cover larger than a postage stamp.
     
    https://allmanbrothersband.com/discography/eat-a-peach/

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://allmanbrothersband.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/eat-a-peach-2.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I saw the Allman Brothers perform once, and listened to them from outside the gates of an outside concert one time (all sold out). I always liked their hard wired, organ infused sound, and they made a big hit in the north country of Minnesota. Lots of good memories of cranking up their music on our Sony tape player, cruising up and down the streets of the Twin Cities in by best friends candy apple red Chrysler barracuda. 🙂

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  390. @S
    @Dmitry

    And what kind of mysterious esoteric incantation is involved with this “Z”.
     
    The letter 'Z' is the last letter of the Latin alphabet, to signify that this is the last war, the proverbial WWIII, that is almost a meme now?

    Below is an excerpt and YouTube video created well before the present war in the Ukraine. It explores (in part) the letter Z in regards to the Hebrew language. Z in Hebrew is Zayin, and means 'sword', or, 'a weapon of the spirit'. Kaballa aspects of 'Z' are looked into as well.

    https://youtu.be/OwA5Jm85E4M

    It all starts with the Z

    Z, to begin with, marks endings (from A to Z).

    Yet what is an ending, but a new beginning?

    As a student of the occult (as in hidden or sacred knowledge, and not whatever dark thoughts you might associate with the word), I also checked the Hebrew alphabet, the sacred letters. Z in Hebrew is Zayin and it means ‘sword’ or ‘a weapon of the spirit'.
     
    https://therabbitisin.com/on-the-major-importance-of-letter-z-9af140714b4d

    Replies: @Dmitry

    aballa aspects of ‘Z’

    Lol, well to go into the conspiracy theory land (let’s say, “for creative fun”).

    The “human sacrifice” killed for the beginning of the “special military operation”, under the symbol of “Z”, starts with poisoning Zhirinovsky and its aim was Zelensky?

    Although with American intervention, they missed Zhirinovsky’s astrological occult “2” for the beginning of the operation, with the “22 2 2022”.

    After they lose the correct date, the stars have not been guiding the operation and everything possible has been going wrong.

    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number “2” and letter “Z”.

    World War Z,

    If you think it was a trap from the American side, where they can make Ukraine seem weak, like the cheese in the mouse trap, where Russia entering Ukraine is the mouse entering the trap? Then after the gullible mouse enter the trap, they begin to give Ukraine more and more modern weapons.

    Now, there is the worst possible scenario for the Russian army, as Ukraine slowly begins to more dangerous weapons, within a framework where these weapons can be used against Russia (for the first time, even though many are designed in the Cold War, they never had an opportunity to be used as the Soviet leadership generally could avoid such traps).

    It’s an elegant conspiracy theory, but somehow the acting performance has been too realistic, for this to be plausible. Even Utu will probably reject this as inconceivably too competent, as overestimates Washington’s intelligence and underestimates Moscow’s stupidity.

    Somehow the worst possible scenario was be attained, but at least for the naïve observers, hubris and the inevitable nemesis, seems the more plausible explanation, than such kind of “multimove checkmate sequences”.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number “2” and letter “Z”.
     
    Ask a mathematician. They always have to draw a slash through the z lest they confuse themself.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  391. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    A French TV report on Lisichansk indicates otherwise, along with other areas liberated or about to be - once again noting the more positive review Russian and Donbass rebel forces received over the Kiev regime's, from Mariupol's ethnic Greek population, which fled to Greece and are therefore are clearly free of any pressure from Kiev regime and pro-Russian forces.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Quit trying to inculcate this site with your stupid propaganda. I have Greek blood running through my veins going back several centuries. One of my best friends today is Greek, and is very supportive of Patriarch Bartholomew’s efforts to free the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from the confines of Russian Orthodox oppression. Here’s a quite good article about the true stance of the Greek community in Mariupol:

    In an emotional letter of appeal to the international community and Greeks all over the globe, published on the international media in the second week of March under the title ‘Save us’, Alexandra Protsenko-Pichadzhi, President of the Federation of Greek Communities of Ukraine, describes the humanitarian catastrophe that Mariupol has been experiencing, as the city has been left without water, electricity, or communications. Citing the killing of Greeks by Russian troops and the destruction of Greek villages, Protsenko speaks of ‘genocide’ and calls for help inorganising a “corridor for the evacuation of the Greeks from the settlements surrounded by the enemy and the provision of humanitarian assistance’.

    https://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Areas/Ukraine/Ukraine-Greek-Mariupol-is-no-more-217958

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You reference a svido leaning propagandist, along with your svido leaning propaganda. A counter-view:

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/03/12/greeks-in-mariupol/

    In another instance, I recall a Western mass media segment of a Mariupol area ethnic Greek saying he preferred neither.

    There're also the good Greeks at this venue -

    https://theduran.com/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  392. @Verymuchalive
    @AP


    It grew but at a lower rate than did the economies of other, non-Communist countries, populated by Europeans, such that Hungary and Czechoslovakia which had once been equal to Austria had become poorer than Portugal or Greece, East Germany much poorer than West Germany, etc. The Visegrad nations may have moved ahead of where they had been, but they fell far behind their peers and far behind where they should have been. This is the broad context that you ignore.
     
    Whatever differences we may have, you're spot on here. Beckow is probably 40, at most. His memories of the period before 1990 are probably very limited at best, Perhaps he wasn't even born then.
    I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I judge by results, what do you do? By 1989, Czech-Slovakia had 15 million people (with almost no foreigners), economy was 3 times larger, living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon, higher than southern half of Italy or northern England wastelands. And way higher then in the American South for the average people.

    The “could-be-even-better” argument can be applied to anything. It could be a lot better now in the West, pre-WWII Central Europe, under the Habsburgs, etc… It is meaningless what-if speculation.

    You meandering recollection of the 80’s Hungary is pointless. The difference between life in Prague and Naples or Dublin at that time was also stark: I met Irish and Italians who were shocked and said “we were lied to in the West”. Austria is a golden country, they did well. But they also imported around 1.5 million migrants and will have to live with the consequences forever. We don’t have them yet.

    But have your version, you are an old man why let off illusions? It was khmer-rouge and gulags all the way, “bread lines” and shooting in the streets. Live it up with AP, it is a good self-therapy for AP’s current misery. And you can affirm that your life is not at least partially a lie, because “Hungary was poorer”.

    • LOL: AP, Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon
     
    You can't really believe that. East Germany is usually considered the Eastern Bloc country with the highest living standard (or at least it can't have been below Czechoslovakia), and most households there didn't even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Verymuchalive

  393. @AP
    @Mikhail

    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It's not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

    Ironically, most of the inhabitants of those cities have fled and the remaining ones appear to be more likely members of the pro-Russian minority who chose to stay behind and wait for the Russians to take over (Severodonetsk had 100,000 people, about 90,000+ of them fled to more secure Kiev-controlled territory). So the hardcore pro-Russians (5% to 10% of the population there) are the ones getting blown up by the Russian invaders. The Russian military is killing far more pro-Russians in East Ukraine than any Ukrainian nationalist formations ever did.

    It's funny how pro-Russians objected to the argument that the Donbas deaths of 2014-2021 were human shields but are quick to use that same argument regarding civilian casualties when Russia levels East Ukrainian cities.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Nobody asked the Russians to invade East Ukraine. It’s not Russia, Russians could have chosen to stay home, but instead chose to erase East Ukrainian cities and many of the inhabitants.

    The Donbass rebels did. Pre-2/24/2022 polling in Donbass indicated a willingness to live in a truly federalized Ukraine – something opposed by the Kiev regime, as the latter built up its military in a threatening position.

    Bill Arkin’s Newsweek article debunks the image of Russia seeking to indiscriminately erase Ukraine:

    https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494

  394. @Verymuchalive
    @Sean


    Post 2015 he made Ukraine able to give as good as it got, but he bought time with the Minsk agreement which he had no intention of actually abiding by. It has been Poroshenko all along.
     
    Yes, of course, he had no intention of actually abiding by it, but neither had Zelensky. Zelensky, a Zionist Jew, was bankrolled by the main Ukrainian Jewish oligarch Kholomoisky after Poroshenko nationalised Kholomoisky's bank. Kholomoisky also bankrolled the Azov Regiment , which was widely regarded as his own private army.
    Please read Thomas Dalton's informative article on the subject.
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-jewish-hand-in-world-war-three/

    And here's wee Volodya saying how he wants Ukraine to be a "big Israel". No surprise who's playing the part of the Palestinians.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/4/5/zelenskyy-says-wants-ukraine-to-become-a-big-israel

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Sean

    No, Kholomoisky was initially influential in the election of Zelensky while he was campaigning as if favouring a settlement with Russia to end the Donbass conflict, but he Kholomoisky fled the country after a fall out with out with Zelensky shortly after he as President got intimidated by Azov and Poroshenko into doing a U-turn on concessions to the separatists to stop the fighting, The Dnipro-1 Regiment were the creatures of Kholomoisky, while Azov has older, more ideologically nationalist roots, less dependent on patrons, and are the politically influential force in their own right that ended Zelensky’s intention to participate in the Normandy Format negotiations to disengage in eastern Ukraine.

    The Normandy format consisted of the presidents of Ukraine and Russia, plus France and Germany. As part of this process which he had restarted on taking office, Zelensky agreed to the ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev. Admittedly some parts Western Ukraine were opposed; nonetheless, the key event was on October 6 when members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber “Stop Capitulation”)demonstration of 10,000 people , especially the more paramilitary aspects seen in the photo above. It was Azov members who Poroshenko said were the ‘veterans’ he supported in protesting Zelensky’s willingness to grant special status to Donbass. Poroshenko is a billionaire and had proven ability to orchestrate mass protest to overthrow an elected Ukrainian president. So Zelensky did a U-turn, and presumable this was when Putin started to think full on war was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Disagree: Verymuchalive
  395. S says:
    @Matra
    According to AZ Osint, but not according to Ukraine’s citizenry. A recent poll indicates that Boris Johnson is in second place (49%) as to popularity of world leaders

    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I'll say this for the Ukrainians, they're PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    Replies: @German_reader, @S

    Ukraine just put out this snappy video thanking the UK for its help. I’ll say this for the Ukrainians, they’re PR campaign has been pretty impressive.

    It’s slick propaganda, alright.

    I’d just rather not see the people of Ukraine experience the same thing the British people’s own ‘greatest generation’ has experienced since 1945…ie the betrayal of their own government. Unless there is some sort of change in the trajectory of events, which I hope for, there is no reason to think the Ukrainians won’t experience this very same shameful treatment by those who govern them that the Brits did. [See Daily Mail article excerpted and linked below on what the vast majority of Britain’s surviving WWII veterans think about the British government.]

    In 1946, using original British veterans and Dutch townspeople present at the fighting, and the ruins still there, the Battle of Arnhem was reenacted in a UK film called Theirs is the Glory. [See You-tube video below]

    From 6:20 – 7:45 in the film we are personally introduced to some of the men who would be fighting in Arnhem. At the film’s end we are told
    those we were introduced to are amongst some of the men who had given their life there.

    Would these men, firm believers in freedom, democracy, and parliaments, who gave their all at Arnhem, were they to see the future of Britain and what ill and hateful governance had done to it and it’s people, would they still have fought at Arnhem, or, anywhere else during WWII?

    According to the Daily Mail and the book the article reviews, The Unkown Warriors, probably not.

    Hers was a small part in a huge, history-making enterprise, and her contribution epitomises her generation’s sense of service and sacrifice.

    Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

    But was it worth it? Her answer – and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s – is a resounding No…They feel, in a word that leaps out time and time again, ‘betrayed’.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  396. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.
     
    Could you elaborate on that?
    I mean, sure, that interpretation of history is not totally without basis in fact. I get that Habsburg rule in the Czech lands was oppressive and that there was a significant ethnic dimension to it, maybe from as far back as the Hussite wars. And of course there was Prussia's rule over the annexed parts of Poland, which also became more intolerant in areas like language policy in the decades just before 1914.
    But what else do you have in mind when you speak of centuries of Drang nach Osten? It's something I've seen numerous commenters here throw out as if it was self-evident there was an unbroken tradition of German imperialism, but it's rarely spelled out in more detail.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @sher singh

    I kind of doubt you will much worthwhile out of Beckow on a topic like this, imo his takes on history topics like this are often too powerful, then defended tenaciously but with low effort at plausibility. Like here:

    As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s.

    It’s obvious when you think about it in the light of the well known Anglo-German-French alliance against ‘Russia’ in the 1914-45 period. And the Anglo involvement in attacking and invading Slavic lands in the 1990s in an extension of Barbarossa is too well known to need any commentary…

    It’s like when Reiner Tor had to engage in a lot of argument trying to prove that Britain and France were at war with Germany during WW2 and were not fighting on Germany’s side. The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.
     
    Drang nach Osten seems to be a somewhat popular theme in Eastern Europe in general though, I would like to see it spelled out more clearly.
    But agreed that Beckow might be the wrong person to ask, given the peculiar nature of a lot of his other beliefs. His insistence on Britain's negative designs on Eastern Europe only makes sense as a reflection of certain Russian views.

    Replies: @Beckow, @sher singh

  397. china-russia-all-the-way says:

  398. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling's party was so unpopular in Norway that it couldn't win a single parliamentary seat.

    The Nazi collaborationist Slovak party, in contrast, were the most popular party in the country.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    Quisling was ahead of the game though. He married a ukie and was a Kharkovian.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling's wife was seems to have been an ethnic Russian from Kharkiv and member of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

  399. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    How do you poll in a war? You are so simple-minded that I may yet sell you a 'condo-in-Mariupol' on a rocky beach.

    One gets a call in Lvov or Kiev: "Do you like Putin?"...what goes through a person's mind when they answer?

    BoJo at disappointing 49%. What about the other 51%, why don't they get on with the program? Are they possibly Irish?

    BoJo's low rating is a good indication of the overall mood. Think it through.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It’s done all of the time in Russia. You mean you didn’t know? 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Reveals the extreme ignorance of the person doing that cartoon and those who think it's clever. BBC regularly quotes staunch Russian critics of the Russian government in Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West, including Alzheimer-in-chief, could even dream of. Response: temper tantrums in the West.

    It’s exactly like the story of Severodonetsk. Not too long ago the Ukie clown-in-chief proclaimed that the fate of Donbass will be decided by the battle of Severodonetsk. A few days ago Ukies acknowledged that the remainder of Ukie troops in Severodonetsk was told to abandon the city. I guess the fate of Donbass is sealed.

    There is nothing new here: Aesop’s fable about sour grapes is more than 2,000 years old. The meaning of the expression “sour grapes” is obvious to everyone even today.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  400. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive

    I judge by results, what do you do? By 1989, Czech-Slovakia had 15 million people (with almost no foreigners), economy was 3 times larger, living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon, higher than southern half of Italy or northern England wastelands. And way higher then in the American South for the average people.

    The "could-be-even-better" argument can be applied to anything. It could be a lot better now in the West, pre-WWII Central Europe, under the Habsburgs, etc... It is meaningless what-if speculation.

    You meandering recollection of the 80's Hungary is pointless. The difference between life in Prague and Naples or Dublin at that time was also stark: I met Irish and Italians who were shocked and said "we were lied to in the West". Austria is a golden country, they did well. But they also imported around 1.5 million migrants and will have to live with the consequences forever. We don't have them yet.

    But have your version, you are an old man why let off illusions? It was khmer-rouge and gulags all the way, "bread lines" and shooting in the streets. Live it up with AP, it is a good self-therapy for AP's current misery. And you can affirm that your life is not at least partially a lie, because "Hungary was poorer".

    Replies: @German_reader

    living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon

    You can’t really believe that. East Germany is usually considered the Eastern Bloc country with the highest living standard (or at least it can’t have been below Czechoslovakia), and most households there didn’t even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...most households there didn’t even own a telephone in the late 1980s.
     
    Those are the kind of throw-away lines like: most households in the American South didn't have indoor plumbing until 1970's - or in parts of Italy, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, etc... Maybe it is true, maybe you are twisting the context.

    Those are not what living standards: those are about the work-consumption equation, food, housing, security, free time. I am not familiar with E Germany, in Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary they were good. We had phone lines going back to - I think - the 60's or the 70's, definitely by the 1980's everyone I knew had a phone. But that was in the cities.

    People believe what they want to believe. They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics for reassurance. Socialism was not "monetized" - lots of stuff was free, not captured as 'economic activity'. Compare that to the West where every time you move a 'transaction' is generated and added to the GNP.

    The lack of "monetized" activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn't poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Verymuchalive
    @German_reader

    My views are the result of direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s. I never went to East Germany, but a friend went there in the mid-80s on a study tour. On his return, he said that the thing that struck him was that many households - the ones he saw - didn't even have a fridge. An anecdote, I know, but consistent with what I had learned in Hungary.

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn't even born in the 1980s. He didn't contradict me on this. I'm not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @Beckow

  401. @Wokechoke
    @AP

    Quisling was ahead of the game though. He married a ukie and was a Kharkovian.

    Replies: @AP

    Quisling’s wife was seems to have been an ethnic Russian from Kharkiv and member of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @AP

    He had two women and clearly favoured the Ukie.

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    You know quite well that Quisling wanted to break up the Soviet Union, meaning Russia, and wished to have Norwegian colonies in Northern Russia. Don't be an obtuse clown. He married a girl from Kharkov and had a mistress who stayed with him in Norway from Ukraine as well. There's a continuum from Quisling's politics and what we see in Ukraine today because he virtually adopted their cause.

    https://vitacollections.ca/HREC-holodomordigitalcollections/3636158/data?n=2


    Notes
    Photo source: Information report series published by the Comité International de Secours a la Russie, Haut Commissariat du Dr. Nansen: no. 22: "La Famine en Ukraine, rapport," by Vidkun Quisling. April 30, 1922. Genève: Imp. de H. Vollet . p.20. http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/16481/file.pdf

    For further evidence of the 1920s origins of this photograph, please see Related Features at right.
    Inscriptions
    Caption: “Un coin de la morgue de Kherson.” [A corner of the Kherson morgue.]
    Date of Original
    1921-1922
    Subject(s)
    Children
    Dead persons
    Morgues & mortuaries
    Starvation
    Famines (Ukraine : 1921-1923)
    Soviet Union--History--Famine, 1921-1922
    Non-Holodomor
    Famine victims
    Personal Name(s)
    Quisling, Vidkun
    Corporate Name(s)
    American Relief Administration ; Comité International de Secours a la Russie ; Conference universelle juive de secours ; International Save the Children Union ; Jewish World Relief Conference ; Nansen Mission ; Red Cross Society of Ukraine (1918-1923) ; Union international de secours aux enfants


    Stop being obtuse.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%E2%88%97Gubispolkom+%E2%80%94+Gubernial%27nyi+ispolnitel%27nyi+komitet,+a+provincial+executive+committee.

  402. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    I kind of doubt you will much worthwhile out of Beckow on a topic like this, imo his takes on history topics like this are often too powerful, then defended tenaciously but with low effort at plausibility. Like here:


    As recently as 1910 Germans (and English) media openly discussed and planned how to tame, minimize and eventually control the large territories inhabited by the Slavs. That is what drove the horrible fighting in the first half of the 20th century. Some threw in anti-Semitism, but Jews didn’t physically control the desired east and some even saw them as potential allies. It is all in read their books and declassified plans.

    In 1945 they suffered a catastrophic defeat and Germans never recovered. They took a 2-generation forced break and then Anglos restarted it in the 1990’s.
     

    It's obvious when you think about it in the light of the well known Anglo-German-French alliance against 'Russia' in the 1914-45 period. And the Anglo involvement in attacking and invading Slavic lands in the 1990s in an extension of Barbarossa is too well known to need any commentary...

    It's like when Reiner Tor had to engage in a lot of argument trying to prove that Britain and France were at war with Germany during WW2 and were not fighting on Germany's side. The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can't go anywhere interesting.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.

    Drang nach Osten seems to be a somewhat popular theme in Eastern Europe in general though, I would like to see it spelled out more clearly.
    But agreed that Beckow might be the wrong person to ask, given the peculiar nature of a lot of his other beliefs. His insistence on Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe only makes sense as a reflection of certain Russian views.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe
     
    Britain has had negative designs on more places than that - just ask around, Germany among them. But to be clear, Britain very intentionally tried to direct the German (Nazi) attack eastward in the late 30's. They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland and only got involved when Germans got cocky and started to also go westward.

    There are many other examples of the British perfidy, their endless support for the Ottomans or any bandit who would attack Russia, the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan, etc...But the Coconut (?) will deny it, English are taught to lie. They often deny the most obvious things like: "what us and a base on Black See coast, oh, noooo, we were just assisting the locals...freedom...blabla...no toilets!!!...look there, not here".

    Drang nach Osten was by now spent German movement to spread eastward. It started around 12.-13. century with crusades - they actually called them "crusades" - went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack. Nazis didn't come from nowhere, they were firmly rooted in the German history, they understood geography and resources well. Their plan was an accelerated, murderous version of some of the previous German eastward initiatives. It failed, the dream is gone.

    But not to be even aware of it? Well, Coconut is probably an elderly Brit who gets his truth from BBC and is offended by strong language. But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives. They knew.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader

    , @sher singh
    @German_reader

    Stop trying to understand ethnic hatred, if your people have tried to genocide Slavs for 1000 years..
    Stand by them.

  403. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Quit trying to inculcate this site with your stupid propaganda. I have Greek blood running through my veins going back several centuries. One of my best friends today is Greek, and is very supportive of Patriarch Bartholomew's efforts to free the Ukrainian Orthodox Church from the confines of Russian Orthodox oppression. Here's a quite good article about the true stance of the Greek community in Mariupol:


    In an emotional letter of appeal to the international community and Greeks all over the globe, published on the international media in the second week of March under the title ‘Save us’, Alexandra Protsenko-Pichadzhi, President of the Federation of Greek Communities of Ukraine, describes the humanitarian catastrophe that Mariupol has been experiencing, as the city has been left without water, electricity, or communications. Citing the killing of Greeks by Russian troops and the destruction of Greek villages, Protsenko speaks of ‘genocide’ and calls for help inorganising a “corridor for the evacuation of the Greeks from the settlements surrounded by the enemy and the provision of humanitarian assistance’.
     
    https://www.balcanicaucaso.org/eng/Areas/Ukraine/Ukraine-Greek-Mariupol-is-no-more-217958

    Replies: @Mikhail

    You reference a svido leaning propagandist, along with your svido leaning propaganda. A counter-view:

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/03/12/greeks-in-mariupol/

    In another instance, I recall a Western mass media segment of a Mariupol area ethnic Greek saying he preferred neither.

    There’re also the good Greeks at this venue –

    https://theduran.com/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    And you reference a very suspect website that I tried to access only to find that my security system posted an extreme security alert stating that the website stole my IP address and was trying to access other files too. Thanks Chump! It looks like anything that you touch or recommend to others is run by some sort of sleazy providers.

    STAY AWAY FROM ANY WEBSITES RECOMMENDED BY AVERKO - YOU COULD BE VERY SORRY IF YOU DON'T HEED THIS WARNING!

  404. @Dmitry
    @S


    aballa aspects of ‘Z’
     
    Lol, well to go into the conspiracy theory land (let's say, "for creative fun").

    The "human sacrifice" killed for the beginning of the "special military operation", under the symbol of "Z", starts with poisoning Zhirinovsky and its aim was Zelensky?

    Although with American intervention, they missed Zhirinovsky's astrological occult "2" for the beginning of the operation, with the "22 2 2022".

    After they lose the correct date, the stars have not been guiding the operation and everything possible has been going wrong.

    https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1495474850458226689

    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number "2" and letter "Z".


    World War Z,
     
    If you think it was a trap from the American side, where they can make Ukraine seem weak, like the cheese in the mouse trap, where Russia entering Ukraine is the mouse entering the trap? Then after the gullible mouse enter the trap, they begin to give Ukraine more and more modern weapons.

    Now, there is the worst possible scenario for the Russian army, as Ukraine slowly begins to more dangerous weapons, within a framework where these weapons can be used against Russia (for the first time, even though many are designed in the Cold War, they never had an opportunity to be used as the Soviet leadership generally could avoid such traps).

    It's an elegant conspiracy theory, but somehow the acting performance has been too realistic, for this to be plausible. Even Utu will probably reject this as inconceivably too competent, as overestimates Washington's intelligence and underestimates Moscow's stupidity.

    Somehow the worst possible scenario was be attained, but at least for the naïve observers, hubris and the inevitable nemesis, seems the more plausible explanation, than such kind of "multimove checkmate sequences".

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number “2” and letter “Z”.

    Ask a mathematician. They always have to draw a slash through the z lest they confuse themself.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kabbalah is about Hebrew, the Latin alphabet isn't featured in Kabbalah. The letter Z in Hebrew is the letter ז – at least it's pronounced the same, but the name of the letter is also is a word in Hebrew, which means a dick, a penis.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  405. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    It's done all of the time in Russia. You mean you didn't know? :-)

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/16529230_web1_web_rmz-june3.jpg?crop=1

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AnonfromTN

    Reveals the extreme ignorance of the person doing that cartoon and those who think it’s clever. BBC regularly quotes staunch Russian critics of the Russian government in Russia.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    The cartoonist that you reference, Michael Ramirez, as being of "extreme ignorance" is an accomplished individual whose intellectual accomplishments in his field make him among the very best in the world. If you had one tenth of the chutzpah or intelligence that this individual possesses, you might be slightly credible, but you don't. Here is a list of his accomplishments:

    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[16]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[17]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

  406. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You reference a svido leaning propagandist, along with your svido leaning propaganda. A counter-view:

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/03/12/greeks-in-mariupol/

    In another instance, I recall a Western mass media segment of a Mariupol area ethnic Greek saying he preferred neither.

    There're also the good Greeks at this venue -

    https://theduran.com/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    And you reference a very suspect website that I tried to access only to find that my security system posted an extreme security alert stating that the website stole my IP address and was trying to access other files too. Thanks Chump! It looks like anything that you touch or recommend to others is run by some sort of sleazy providers.

    STAY AWAY FROM ANY WEBSITES RECOMMENDED BY AVERKO – YOU COULD BE VERY SORRY IF YOU DON’T HEED THIS WARNING!

    • LOL: Mikhail
  407. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Reveals the extreme ignorance of the person doing that cartoon and those who think it's clever. BBC regularly quotes staunch Russian critics of the Russian government in Russia.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    The cartoonist that you reference, Michael Ramirez, as being of “extreme ignorance” is an accomplished individual whose intellectual accomplishments in his field make him among the very best in the world. If you had one tenth of the chutzpah or intelligence that this individual possesses, you might be slightly credible, but you don’t. Here is a list of his accomplishments:

    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[16]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[17]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Pulitzer? That cholo cartoonist is really something.

    New York Times also got a Pulitzer for the in-depth coverage of "Trump is a Russian puppet!!! he watched girls piss on bed sheets in Moscow". We are not impressed by an institution that stupid and corrupt.

    The caricature was idiotic, on the level of Nazi or Commie "hate-our-enemies" cartoons, neither funny nor true. There will be more like that, this is quite a circus, I suspect monkeys will be appearing soon - Putin as a long-limbed ape reaching into Western wallets, Senor Rodriguez will draw it. And damn Putin has been lowering the temperature in my sauna....there must be a cartoon there somewhere. (Or we are out of cheap energy, but don't mention that.)

    You will laugh since propaganda deeply touches you.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    On Russia, he's a moron thereby explaining why you like him.

    Reminded somewhat of Max Boot:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb0jpkkzHGg

    Can't resist -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgIsUiT2dug

  408. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling's wife was seems to have been an ethnic Russian from Kharkiv and member of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    He had two women and clearly favoured the Ukie.

  409. @AP
    @Wokechoke

    Quisling's wife was seems to have been an ethnic Russian from Kharkiv and member of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Wokechoke

    You know quite well that Quisling wanted to break up the Soviet Union, meaning Russia, and wished to have Norwegian colonies in Northern Russia. Don’t be an obtuse clown. He married a girl from Kharkov and had a mistress who stayed with him in Norway from Ukraine as well. There’s a continuum from Quisling’s politics and what we see in Ukraine today because he virtually adopted their cause.

    https://vitacollections.ca/HREC-holodomordigitalcollections/3636158/data?n=2

    Notes
    Photo source: Information report series published by the Comité International de Secours a la Russie, Haut Commissariat du Dr. Nansen: no. 22: “La Famine en Ukraine, rapport,” by Vidkun Quisling. April 30, 1922. Genève: Imp. de H. Vollet . p.20. http://diasporiana.org.ua/wp-content/uploads/books/16481/file.pdf

    For further evidence of the 1920s origins of this photograph, please see Related Features at right.
    Inscriptions
    Caption: “Un coin de la morgue de Kherson.” [A corner of the Kherson morgue.]
    Date of Original
    1921-1922
    Subject(s)
    Children
    Dead persons
    Morgues & mortuaries
    Starvation
    Famines (Ukraine : 1921-1923)
    Soviet Union–History–Famine, 1921-1922
    Non-Holodomor
    Famine victims
    Personal Name(s)
    Quisling, Vidkun
    Corporate Name(s)
    American Relief Administration ; Comité International de Secours a la Russie ; Conference universelle juive de secours ; International Save the Children Union ; Jewish World Relief Conference ; Nansen Mission ; Red Cross Society of Ukraine (1918-1923) ; Union international de secours aux enfants

    Stop being obtuse.

    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%E2%88%97Gubispolkom+%E2%80%94+Gubernial%27nyi+ispolnitel%27nyi+komitet,+a+provincial+executive+committee.

  410. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon
     
    You can't really believe that. East Germany is usually considered the Eastern Bloc country with the highest living standard (or at least it can't have been below Czechoslovakia), and most households there didn't even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Verymuchalive

    …most households there didn’t even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    Those are the kind of throw-away lines like: most households in the American South didn’t have indoor plumbing until 1970’s – or in parts of Italy, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, etc… Maybe it is true, maybe you are twisting the context.

    Those are not what living standards: those are about the work-consumption equation, food, housing, security, free time. I am not familiar with E Germany, in Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary they were good. We had phone lines going back to – I think – the 60’s or the 70’s, definitely by the 1980’s everyone I knew had a phone. But that was in the cities.

    People believe what they want to believe. They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics for reassurance. Socialism was not “monetized” – lots of stuff was free, not captured as ‘economic activity’. Compare that to the West where every time you move a ‘transaction’ is generated and added to the GNP.

    The lack of “monetized” activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn’t poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics
     
    In this case, GDP data match what people see with their own eyes.

    The lack of “monetized” activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn’t poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.
     
    In most of the West you can quit your job and live an easy and comfortable life with modest material conditions too. Welfare, subsidised modest housing, free healthcare. The difference is that in the Eastern bloc even working professionals were forced to live like that. It wasn’t seen as poor by the natives because everyone was more or less equally poor. But when people visited from the West they were usually shocked by the poor conditions.

    Being a bit poorer than Portugal in 1989 isn’t the worst thing, but when your grandparents were as rich or richer than Austrians and now Austrians were twice or more richer the you, we see how dysfunctional the system was. But at least you didn’t have to work hard, you could do a shoddy job and get away with it because nobody cared.

    Replies: @Beckow

  411. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    and the preceding centuries of Drang nach Osten have been intentionally forgotten in the West.
     
    Could you elaborate on that?
    I mean, sure, that interpretation of history is not totally without basis in fact. I get that Habsburg rule in the Czech lands was oppressive and that there was a significant ethnic dimension to it, maybe from as far back as the Hussite wars. And of course there was Prussia's rule over the annexed parts of Poland, which also became more intolerant in areas like language policy in the decades just before 1914.
    But what else do you have in mind when you speak of centuries of Drang nach Osten? It's something I've seen numerous commenters here throw out as if it was self-evident there was an unbroken tradition of German imperialism, but it's rarely spelled out in more detail.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @sher singh

    Everything back to the Christianization of the Slavs & Teutonic Knights.

  412. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...most households there didn’t even own a telephone in the late 1980s.
     
    Those are the kind of throw-away lines like: most households in the American South didn't have indoor plumbing until 1970's - or in parts of Italy, Ireland, Spain, Portugal, etc... Maybe it is true, maybe you are twisting the context.

    Those are not what living standards: those are about the work-consumption equation, food, housing, security, free time. I am not familiar with E Germany, in Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary they were good. We had phone lines going back to - I think - the 60's or the 70's, definitely by the 1980's everyone I knew had a phone. But that was in the cities.

    People believe what they want to believe. They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics for reassurance. Socialism was not "monetized" - lots of stuff was free, not captured as 'economic activity'. Compare that to the West where every time you move a 'transaction' is generated and added to the GNP.

    The lack of "monetized" activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn't poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.

    Replies: @AP

    They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics

    In this case, GDP data match what people see with their own eyes.

    The lack of “monetized” activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn’t poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.

    In most of the West you can quit your job and live an easy and comfortable life with modest material conditions too. Welfare, subsidised modest housing, free healthcare. The difference is that in the Eastern bloc even working professionals were forced to live like that. It wasn’t seen as poor by the natives because everyone was more or less equally poor. But when people visited from the West they were usually shocked by the poor conditions.

    Being a bit poorer than Portugal in 1989 isn’t the worst thing, but when your grandparents were as rich or richer than Austrians and now Austrians were twice or more richer the you, we see how dysfunctional the system was. But at least you didn’t have to work hard, you could do a shoddy job and get away with it because nobody cared.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...even working professionals were forced to live like that.
     
    You know nothing. My dad was a 'professional' and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was 'equally poor' is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 - visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure. Have you been? I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980's. So what is it? Did they go backwards for 30 years or are your 'numbers' out of context and self-serving?

    This is by the way by far the most common observation young people make after going to visit the West or travel in US: how run-down and much poorer than they thought it is. We see shocking poverty, homeless, insecurity, very hard working unhappy people worried about everything. That is what we talk about.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your 'boss' is even more valuable. You have no idea what it was like, you live in a propagandized caricature world.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

  413. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.
     
    Drang nach Osten seems to be a somewhat popular theme in Eastern Europe in general though, I would like to see it spelled out more clearly.
    But agreed that Beckow might be the wrong person to ask, given the peculiar nature of a lot of his other beliefs. His insistence on Britain's negative designs on Eastern Europe only makes sense as a reflection of certain Russian views.

    Replies: @Beckow, @sher singh

    …Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe

    Britain has had negative designs on more places than that – just ask around, Germany among them. But to be clear, Britain very intentionally tried to direct the German (Nazi) attack eastward in the late 30’s. They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland and only got involved when Germans got cocky and started to also go westward.

    There are many other examples of the British perfidy, their endless support for the Ottomans or any bandit who would attack Russia, the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan, etc…But the Coconut (?) will deny it, English are taught to lie. They often deny the most obvious things like: “what us and a base on Black See coast, oh, noooo, we were just assisting the locals…freedom…blabla…no toilets!!!…look there, not here“.

    Drang nach Osten was by now spent German movement to spread eastward. It started around 12.-13. century with crusades – they actually called them “crusades” – went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack. Nazis didn’t come from nowhere, they were firmly rooted in the German history, they understood geography and resources well. Their plan was an accelerated, murderous version of some of the previous German eastward initiatives. It failed, the dream is gone.

    But not to be even aware of it? Well, Coconut is probably an elderly Brit who gets his truth from BBC and is offended by strong language. But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives. They knew.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Beckow

    The entire Islamic revival of the last 150 years is also a result of Anglo support.

    , @German_reader
    @Beckow


    They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland
     
    We've been through this before. Your interpretation doesn't make any sense at all, doesn't explain why Britain extended a security guarantee to Poland and then acted upon it by declaring war on Germany, instead of standing aside or advising Poland to become a German satellite state.
    Just tiresome.

    the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan
     
    What's so bad about containing Russia? If you want to get all moralistic about great power politics, what business did Russia have in Korea and Manchuria?

    It started around 12.-13. century with crusades – they actually called them “crusades” – went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack.
     
    That's pretty vague on details and doesn't go much beyond what I already conceded.
    Wendish crusades, Teutonic order etc. don't count imo.

    But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives.
     
    They have all been dead for some time, so that's not really possible.

    Replies: @Beckow

  414. @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe
     
    Britain has had negative designs on more places than that - just ask around, Germany among them. But to be clear, Britain very intentionally tried to direct the German (Nazi) attack eastward in the late 30's. They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland and only got involved when Germans got cocky and started to also go westward.

    There are many other examples of the British perfidy, their endless support for the Ottomans or any bandit who would attack Russia, the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan, etc...But the Coconut (?) will deny it, English are taught to lie. They often deny the most obvious things like: "what us and a base on Black See coast, oh, noooo, we were just assisting the locals...freedom...blabla...no toilets!!!...look there, not here".

    Drang nach Osten was by now spent German movement to spread eastward. It started around 12.-13. century with crusades - they actually called them "crusades" - went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack. Nazis didn't come from nowhere, they were firmly rooted in the German history, they understood geography and resources well. Their plan was an accelerated, murderous version of some of the previous German eastward initiatives. It failed, the dream is gone.

    But not to be even aware of it? Well, Coconut is probably an elderly Brit who gets his truth from BBC and is offended by strong language. But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives. They knew.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader

    The entire Islamic revival of the last 150 years is also a result of Anglo support.

  415. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    The starting point is pretty absurd so in the end the discussion can’t go anywhere interesting.
     
    Drang nach Osten seems to be a somewhat popular theme in Eastern Europe in general though, I would like to see it spelled out more clearly.
    But agreed that Beckow might be the wrong person to ask, given the peculiar nature of a lot of his other beliefs. His insistence on Britain's negative designs on Eastern Europe only makes sense as a reflection of certain Russian views.

    Replies: @Beckow, @sher singh

    Stop trying to understand ethnic hatred, if your people have tried to genocide Slavs for 1000 years..
    Stand by them.

  416. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Hi Sharikov, let's examine more of your lies and ignorance:


    When people are talking about the IQ test, they usually refer to the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale.
     
    By they, you mean ignorant Sharikovs such as you.

    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones. Raven's is the most commonly used of the nonverbal ones. As such, it is the IQ test used most often in international comparative studies, because it's norms are more universal. The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same, whereas people use the exact same items across countries on the nonverbal Standard Progressive Matrices test.

    The reason is, that test has been around for seventy years
     
    Standard Progressive Matrices has been used since 1936.

    This test contains various scales for logic and reasoning, reading comprehension, arithmetic, puzzles and what not. Takes about two hours to complete, if my memory serves me right. A serious test – not for children.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is a test for children. There are puzzles and nothing else, and it takes half an hour to complete.
     
    Sharikov is dumb.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test; indeed is has more of such tasks. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.

    The score of both of these might look the same because the scale is similar, i.e. the mean is 100 and deviation 15, but it doesn’t mean that these results correlate and can be compared.
     
    Of course they correlate and can be compared, liar Sharikov. Example:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Your 101.2 figure was itself the product of your intellectual dishonesty. As I showed in my other post, you derived that number by excluding poorer-performing Russian regions. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.

    Your guess is of no interest to me. Show me the math, or explain how you arrived to this number.

    And what’s the point in repeating the same allegation here, it has been answered in detail in the other post. To demonstrate it even more however that there’s no intention on my part to lie, here is a small correction – it’s not 101.2, it’s 101.12, a digit didn’t click – mechanical error.
     
    Sharikov keeps ignoring the explanation of his dishonesty. Here is goes, again:

    Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    This high scoring region is about 10% of actual Russians, but it is 20% of your sample (which only includes around half of the ethnic Russian population). Thus, your sample has a higher average PISA-derived IQ score than the actual ethnic Russian population in Russia because the outlier smart Muscovites are double the percentage of your sample than they are of the general Russian population.

    A reasonable (but rough) correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.


    "Liar, I never said that. As a typical Sovok filth, lying comes naturally to you. My exact words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya.”

    So what’s the difference, idiot – our old Stalin-era flat is what matters, the implication is the same.
     
    Sharikov was caught lying so he doubles down.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place. Your house (even if you rent it, or it belongs to your parents), your apartment (even if you don't own it). "Come to my house for a party." "I miss my old apartment." Etc.

    You lied and you got caught in your lie. One shouldn't lie anywhere, but on Unz it's easy to search comments and expose liars such as you. Here are your lying words, you subhuman product of Soviet overlords:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5404546

    AP: "“When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him."

    Actual words: “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat on Tverskaya"

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    You are in a bad mood again, baby.

    Submit your home address, I’ll send you a banana.

    [MORE]

    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones.

    Yes.

    However a nonverbal test doesn’t examine intelligence, it does logic alone. Someone can be good at logic and retarded in other areas. For this reason the Wechsler test is considered the standard.

    Even though it is limited as well but not as much as others.

    Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale IV (WAIS IV): Return of the Gold Standard
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09084280802644466

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.

    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to translate from one to another.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.

    Perhaps not for children, it’s a figure of speech. Can be used for children to be precise, whereas WAIS cannot.

    “A significant correlation was found between WAIS and RPM scores in patients with psychosis.”

    Excellent reference – people with mental disorders.

    “The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) is con-sidered the most reliable and commonly used intelligence test.”

    You should have quoted this instead.

    Here is goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.

    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points, Zabaykalsky Krai with 90.5, Mari El with 92.3, Yakutia with 92.5, Irkutsk Oblast – 92.9, Kabardino-Balkaria – 93.1, Stavropol Krai – 93.2, Adygea with 93.4 points.

    These are outliers, and the number of people in these regions is the same as the population of Moscow.

    So the national average is not a good point of reference in this case.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won’t you?

    Let’s count it again.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow’s population we get the score of 100.4, omitting 50 percent of St Petersburg we get 100.2, but now we have reduced the sample size to 42 149 023 people, and three low scoring regions in it now are becoming disproportionate as well.

    Kaluga – 94.0, Kemerovo – 95.9, Kursk – 97.1, in sum 4 513 803 people, who are now making more than 10 percent of our sample. So since we are making these corrections the same should be applied to them, and that will bring us back to 100.4, or precisely to 100.37, it looks like a fair number to me.

    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.

    Consider this, if you were asked what is most likely the Russian score in 2022, would you base your estimation on the old data, or you would take it into account, thinking it may be higher than before? What would you do if you were told that you will get a bunch of bananas, if you answer close enough?

    You would probably count the number of points gained in those last ten years, and that’s 4.05, 0.405 for a year so for the last six years, highly likely, the score might have grown in 2.43 points, making it – for me, 102.8, and it seems to be the best bet.

    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place.

    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you’re not coming back. And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours, you idiot.

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family. “Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat” – why not, it’s our flat, it’s there, we can return when we want to.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it’s that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.

    Denying a part of your family history isn’t good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    I'm combining replies to two posts:


    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts
     
    You keep repeating the falsehood in different posts.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.
     
    Evidence?

    Russian average PISA score dropped 10 points in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202018%20Insights%20and%20Interpretations%20FINAL%20PDF.pdf


    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.

    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.
     

    And? Research in this field often involves patients. Do you have a reason why scores on these tests would correlate in the patient population but not in the general population?

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can’t make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That’s the easiest part of the Wechsler test.
     
    All parts of the Wechsler test are equally "easy" because all are normed with a standard distribution of scores.

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.

    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to translate from one to another.
     

    I'll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand.

    The Wechsler is normed within each country - the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100. Accordingly, the verbal parts will vary by country. The questions will be different and will be easier/harder depending on how smart the population in each country is. Different vocabulary words, different information items, not merely translations of the same ones.

    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country and one can simply compare how many items one guesses correctly and use, say, British norms to obtain a British IQ for that person and an average British IQ for the group.

    This is why most of these cross-national studies use the Raven's and not the Wechsler test. The Russian subjects use the exact same items as the British subjects, and one can calculate their IQ using British norms on those identical items.


    "Here it goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8."

    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points
     

    Moscow is an outlier even in comparison to the ethnic Russian regions.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.


    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won’t you?
     

    It's not as extreme and the population is smaller so it wouldn't skew the sample as much.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow’s population we get the score of 100.4
     
    That's almost exactly what I estimated it would be. Nice to see my intuition match the result.

    I wrote: "You included the Moscow outlier but didn’t include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so."


    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.
     
    Russian scores on PISA regressed in 2018. The Russian average was 482 (see link to the pdf above) in 2018, compared to 492 in 2015. Don't know what the ethnic Russian average was in 2018, but I doubt it has increased if the the overall Russian average has gone down.

    Meanwhile the White American average increased in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2018/pdf/PISA2018_compiled.pdf

    (use Ctr F to find white)

    It was 519 in 2015 but 521 in 2018.

    So Russians were a little bit dumber than white Americans in 2015, and this gap has probably increased.


    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now
     
    I'm glad you finally agree with me, when I stated it was probably around 100.5.

    But it is probably not higher now, given the decline in the overall Russian PISA performance in 2018 compared to 2015.

    LOL, your obsession with my old place in Moscow continues.


    "In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place."

    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you’re not coming back.
     

    You surely can. I rented a wonderful place in on a lake in Italy once for only a week, and speak happily of my apartment there.

    But I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.


    And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours
     
    There is no such implication. Stop lying.

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement
     
    Your words gave a dramatically different meaning so they did misrepresent what I said. You were just being dishonest as usual.

    AP: ““When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.”


    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family
     
    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it’s that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.
     
    Not really. That relative redeemed any family sins by being part of the circle that helped to end the disgusting USSR in the late 1980s and early 1990s. And, to his credit, did not get rich in the 1990s by engaging in the mass theft and murder that many of his Soviet peers engaged in. Naive guy hoped the USSR would become a type of Sweden because he didn't acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you, Sharikov, and in the debacle of the 1990s. Sadly, it couldn't have ended any other way. That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    Denying a part of your family history isn’t good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.
     
    LOL, these Russian relatives of mine aren't my ancestors, my non-Bolshevik family history is no worse.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  417. @AP
    @Beckow


    They pick ad-hoc trivia or out-of-context statistics
     
    In this case, GDP data match what people see with their own eyes.

    The lack of “monetized” activity in socialism was inefficient, often even stupid. But it wasn’t poor. For 60-70% of people it was an easier life than today.
     
    In most of the West you can quit your job and live an easy and comfortable life with modest material conditions too. Welfare, subsidised modest housing, free healthcare. The difference is that in the Eastern bloc even working professionals were forced to live like that. It wasn’t seen as poor by the natives because everyone was more or less equally poor. But when people visited from the West they were usually shocked by the poor conditions.

    Being a bit poorer than Portugal in 1989 isn’t the worst thing, but when your grandparents were as rich or richer than Austrians and now Austrians were twice or more richer the you, we see how dysfunctional the system was. But at least you didn’t have to work hard, you could do a shoddy job and get away with it because nobody cared.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …even working professionals were forced to live like that.

    You know nothing. My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure. Have you been? I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s. So what is it? Did they go backwards for 30 years or are your ‘numbers’ out of context and self-serving?

    This is by the way by far the most common observation young people make after going to visit the West or travel in US: how run-down and much poorer than they thought it is. We see shocking poverty, homeless, insecurity, very hard working unhappy people worried about everything. That is what we talk about.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable. You have no idea what it was like, you live in a propagandized caricature world.

    • Agree: Here Be Dragon, sher singh
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    un-down and much poorer than they thought it is.
     
    What? That doesn't make sense, as someone from a postsoviet origin - most of the West shocks how wealthy and luxury it is. I even have culture shock about this, that for years of habituation seems to increase, rather than decrease.

    I live in the West and my combination of travel expense and things like "storage costs", are more than many peoples' total salaries outside the West. In addition, the amount of hours of work in the West is sometimes low, relative to salary. This feeling like they are paying you more than you deserved is common in the West. There is a constant illogical "why are they paying this salary? Why is there so much money?"


    worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable

     

    In Soviet times people worked more, but of course on average, most people were happier than today, if you believe what most any people who were living then will say to you. I don't know anyone who remember Soviet times, who doesn't say it was better. A lot of this may be because of the greater equality and public investment levels.

    According to surveys (whether we believe those or not is another question), equality is one of the main correlates of "national happiness", e.g. across different historical times in the United States.
    http://www.factorhappiness.at/downloads/quellen/s13_oishi.pdf

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.
     
    The differences were so small that for a Westerner it looked about the same. Or course, people used to such small differences might have motived them more.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure.
     
    The problem is that you have a well-established record of lying all the time. Other posters do not. So when Verymuchalive states:

    "I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.
     
    He is more believable than you when you contradict him. And others such as Dmitry reinforce those perceptions. And of course data such as GDP per capita support the perceptions that others have (but you don't like data either).

    I have not been to Czechoslovakia but I visited Ukraine in 1990, back when it wasn't much poorer than Visegrad. The poverty was one of the strongest impressions.

    I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s.
     
    I'm sure you can lie about many places.

    In reality, you would have to find some really marginal ghettos to find places that were poorer. And even then it might be illusory - you might find that those poor people have more automobiles and televisions than did the not-poor Czechs of 1989, they just live in dirty and messy places because that's the kind of dysfunctional it takes for people in the West to manage to live materially like 1989 Warsaw Pact socialists.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable.
     
    In most western counties you can choose unemployment, the government will provide you with housing and some spending money. No bosses to worry about. Plenty of free time. You can recreate the world of Warsaw Pact socialism in the 1980s in your personal life.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Miro23

  418. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...Britain’s negative designs on Eastern Europe
     
    Britain has had negative designs on more places than that - just ask around, Germany among them. But to be clear, Britain very intentionally tried to direct the German (Nazi) attack eastward in the late 30's. They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland and only got involved when Germans got cocky and started to also go westward.

    There are many other examples of the British perfidy, their endless support for the Ottomans or any bandit who would attack Russia, the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan, etc...But the Coconut (?) will deny it, English are taught to lie. They often deny the most obvious things like: "what us and a base on Black See coast, oh, noooo, we were just assisting the locals...freedom...blabla...no toilets!!!...look there, not here".

    Drang nach Osten was by now spent German movement to spread eastward. It started around 12.-13. century with crusades - they actually called them "crusades" - went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack. Nazis didn't come from nowhere, they were firmly rooted in the German history, they understood geography and resources well. Their plan was an accelerated, murderous version of some of the previous German eastward initiatives. It failed, the dream is gone.

    But not to be even aware of it? Well, Coconut is probably an elderly Brit who gets his truth from BBC and is offended by strong language. But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives. They knew.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader

    They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland

    We’ve been through this before. Your interpretation doesn’t make any sense at all, doesn’t explain why Britain extended a security guarantee to Poland and then acted upon it by declaring war on Germany, instead of standing aside or advising Poland to become a German satellite state.
    Just tiresome.

    the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan

    What’s so bad about containing Russia? If you want to get all moralistic about great power politics, what business did Russia have in Korea and Manchuria?

    It started around 12.-13. century with crusades – they actually called them “crusades” – went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack.

    That’s pretty vague on details and doesn’t go much beyond what I already conceded.
    Wendish crusades, Teutonic order etc. don’t count imo.

    But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives.

    They have all been dead for some time, so that’s not really possible.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Ok, let's not rehash Munich and Britain's strange inactive 1939 'war'. It is complex, but archives clearly show that the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    Power politics is inevitable. Britain does it and that their default position has been "anybody-but-Russia". It still is. Why are some denying it?


    That’s pretty vague on details and doesn’t go much beyond what I already conceded.

     

    Sorry, get a book. Do it soon, Ukies are starting to burn incorrect books. EU will not be far behind.

    They have all been dead for some time
     
    Eastern front?

    Replies: @German_reader

  419. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry


    We would need to ask the Kabbalah people, what the connection could be between number “2” and letter “Z”.
     
    Ask a mathematician. They always have to draw a slash through the z lest they confuse themself.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Kabbalah is about Hebrew, the Latin alphabet isn’t featured in Kabbalah. The letter Z in Hebrew is the letter ז – at least it’s pronounced the same, but the name of the letter is also is a word in Hebrew, which means a dick, a penis.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon

    In original Hebrew and Kabbalah, "Z" means to "weapons of war", "to arm".
    https://hebrewtoday.com/alphabet/the-letter-zine-%D7%96/

    "The root meaning of the Hebrew letter Z is interesting in itself. While it means a “sword “or “sharp weapon,” as explained above, the meaning of the word is also connected to food and sustenance...Some scholars say that the meaning behind this is that while pointless bloodshed is certainly not the ideal, we sometimes must fight in order to defend our lives and our way of life."

    So, a conspiracy theory of the occult meaning of the "Z", is consistent, with the meaning of the symbol to represent the "special military operation".

    Zhirinovsky's Palindrome Day of when he said last year, the bombing of Kiev will begin, "22, 02, 2022" would be important in Kabbalah.

    There 22 Hebrew letters. 22 lines on the Tree of Life in Kabbalah. Anyone who is schizophrenic enough here, you can probably find something there
    https://allaboutheaven.org/symbols/hebrew-alphabet-the/123

    https://twitter.com/IBeitynsh/status/1495492096740020226


    "Z" can also refer to "zombie", like in "World War Z".
    Whether you want to believe "creative" conspiracy theories of a satanist astrological numerologists, or not, there is definitely some attempts at "zombification"..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_LREwjwVno

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  420. Here is a little bit of reality for the Ukrainian patriots, from a Ukrainian, in Ukrainian.

  421. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    The cartoonist that you reference, Michael Ramirez, as being of "extreme ignorance" is an accomplished individual whose intellectual accomplishments in his field make him among the very best in the world. If you had one tenth of the chutzpah or intelligence that this individual possesses, you might be slightly credible, but you don't. Here is a list of his accomplishments:

    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[16]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[17]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    Pulitzer? That cholo cartoonist is really something.

    New York Times also got a Pulitzer for the in-depth coverage of “Trump is a Russian puppet!!! he watched girls piss on bed sheets in Moscow”. We are not impressed by an institution that stupid and corrupt.

    The caricature was idiotic, on the level of Nazi or Commie “hate-our-enemies” cartoons, neither funny nor true. There will be more like that, this is quite a circus, I suspect monkeys will be appearing soon – Putin as a long-limbed ape reaching into Western wallets, Senor Rodriguez will draw it. And damn Putin has been lowering the temperature in my sauna….there must be a cartoon there somewhere. (Or we are out of cheap energy, but don’t mention that.)

    You will laugh since propaganda deeply touches you.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you're an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don't know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven't influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you're a real nobody. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Sean
    @Beckow

    One thing is evident: the superior cyber capabilities of Russia to manipulate the US are an American lie. According to George Beebe, US cyber espionage against Russia's nuclear weapons control computers might all too easily be mistaken for clandestinely deactivating them or even programing them to attack targets in Russia, and thus tantamount to an American act of war against the Russian Federation. It would only take one 'wild' operation to be discovered.

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down from weakening Russia ( Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin) or removing Putin (Biden) in order to reset the policy goal o be a stalemate. But would Russia accept a stalemate, given that the Ukraine was is being fought somewhere no one would choose to fight Russia, because it is where it is going to be have short lines of supply and in the 'near abroad' where such a stalemate would be an extreme humiliation for them? The level of US support for Ukraine to enable it to attain stalemate would be so great that it would be getting very close to actual participation in the eyes of Russia. As Mearsheimer says the closer what America is doing gets to working, the more dangerous the course of action becomes.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  422. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    They signed a Munich Treaty with Hitler, stood aside when Germany attacked Poland
     
    We've been through this before. Your interpretation doesn't make any sense at all, doesn't explain why Britain extended a security guarantee to Poland and then acted upon it by declaring war on Germany, instead of standing aside or advising Poland to become a German satellite state.
    Just tiresome.

    the Crimean war that was about containing Russia, support for Japan
     
    What's so bad about containing Russia? If you want to get all moralistic about great power politics, what business did Russia have in Korea and Manchuria?

    It started around 12.-13. century with crusades – they actually called them “crusades” – went on for hundreds of years, involved Prussia, the Habsburgs, few others, and culminated with the Nazi 1939-41 attack.
     
    That's pretty vague on details and doesn't go much beyond what I already conceded.
    Wendish crusades, Teutonic order etc. don't count imo.

    But Germans should know, just ask your elderly relatives.
     
    They have all been dead for some time, so that's not really possible.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Ok, let’s not rehash Munich and Britain’s strange inactive 1939 ‘war’. It is complex, but archives clearly show that the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    Power politics is inevitable. Britain does it and that their default position has been “anybody-but-Russia”. It still is. Why are some denying it?

    That’s pretty vague on details and doesn’t go much beyond what I already conceded.

    Sorry, get a book. Do it soon, Ukies are starting to burn incorrect books. EU will not be far behind.

    They have all been dead for some time

    Eastern front?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Beckow


    It is complex
     
    There's nothing complex about you being wrong and obstinately refusing to admit it.

    Sorry, get a book.
     
    Maybe you could recommend one?

    Eastern front?

     

    Yeah, a few. But by now they would have been dead anyway, it's been 80 years after all.
    And I'm not keen on repeating it. Russia's going too far in Ukraine though, a reaction was unavoidable.

    Replies: @Beckow

  423. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader

    Ok, let's not rehash Munich and Britain's strange inactive 1939 'war'. It is complex, but archives clearly show that the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    Power politics is inevitable. Britain does it and that their default position has been "anybody-but-Russia". It still is. Why are some denying it?


    That’s pretty vague on details and doesn’t go much beyond what I already conceded.

     

    Sorry, get a book. Do it soon, Ukies are starting to burn incorrect books. EU will not be far behind.

    They have all been dead for some time
     
    Eastern front?

    Replies: @German_reader

    It is complex

    There’s nothing complex about you being wrong and obstinately refusing to admit it.

    Sorry, get a book.

    Maybe you could recommend one?

    Eastern front?

    Yeah, a few. But by now they would have been dead anyway, it’s been 80 years after all.
    And I’m not keen on repeating it. Russia’s going too far in Ukraine though, a reaction was unavoidable.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader

    I said: the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    You called that wrong. Well, check the British and German archives: it is directly there. Munich was not an accident or a one-off, it was the British policy (and French) until 1939-40: "Go East, young Nazis!!!"


    Russia’s going too far in Ukraine, a reaction was unavoidable.
     
    True. But the following is also true: Nato went too far in Ukraine, a reaction was unavoidable. When things go too far there is a war. Escalation to a war is a ladder, step by step, Nato and Kiev did most of the early steps. To focus on only 2/24/2022 is both one-sided and won't work. A few more steps and we may have to repeat something like what you (and I) lost our relatives to.
  424. Predictably, after all the wrecked economies and death, Ukraine is going to end up taking a worse deal that could have been had for the asking in 2019.

    • Agree: LondonBob
  425. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Pulitzer? That cholo cartoonist is really something.

    New York Times also got a Pulitzer for the in-depth coverage of "Trump is a Russian puppet!!! he watched girls piss on bed sheets in Moscow". We are not impressed by an institution that stupid and corrupt.

    The caricature was idiotic, on the level of Nazi or Commie "hate-our-enemies" cartoons, neither funny nor true. There will be more like that, this is quite a circus, I suspect monkeys will be appearing soon - Putin as a long-limbed ape reaching into Western wallets, Senor Rodriguez will draw it. And damn Putin has been lowering the temperature in my sauna....there must be a cartoon there somewhere. (Or we are out of cheap energy, but don't mention that.)

    You will laugh since propaganda deeply touches you.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁
     
    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    Elite media doesn't have the best rep among the masses on account of the kind of feeble minds getting coddled in that circle.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  426. @A123
    @216



    The US embassy's address in Moscow is now officially "Donetsk People's Republic Square"
     
    Acts like these are insults to the whole of the United States, not mere attacks on the person of Biden.
     
    ROTFL... Good one....

    If street names were justification for violence there would have already been a civil war in Georgia. No. Not over MLK names. The evil that is Atlanta has named 1/4 of the city's mileage "Peachtree _____".

     
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-geo-images/e4875c0f-18f3-44da-82c6-5f280ebe5c8b.jpg
     

    I swear... The entire friggen metro area is like this...

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Peaches are good, but peach trees only produce fruit for about a dozen years. What kind of other fruit tree gyps you like that?

    Seen apple trees that must have been >100 years old, still giving apples.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @songbird

    Pear trees apparently have a rep of not being so durable. My neighborhood sought smaller trees to the taller ones that over time could bring havoc to the electrical lines. The replacement pear trees didn't generally last long. At a village board meeting, I recall someone saying that was their rep.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @A123
    @songbird

    There are huge differences between plants:

    -- Breed for current Agriculture & Distribution Chains
    -- Wild/Heirloom strains

    Some of the Ag breeding is undeniably favorable (e.g. disease resistance). However, other choices are made for commercial viability. Appearance "shelf appeal" is prioritized over flavour. Durability to survive distribution is required.

    I suspect there are heirloom peach trees that would produce less fruit per season, but remain productive longer.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  427. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Well, you must have misunderstood it, all otherwise you wouldn’t have said that. You can try it for yourself. Here is the list, https://russia.duck.consulting/maps/93

    Start from the top. The first is Vologda region, 97.27 Russian. Now click on it, and on the page that will open look on the right for the population size. It’s 1 167 713 people. Subtract the 2.73 percent of minorities to get the number of ethnic Russians in this region. There are 1 135 834 of them.

    Keep going like this from top to bottom till you get to Moscow, that will be position 35 on the list. Then, out of these 35 regions, choose 20 with the highest number of ethnic Russians. You will get exactly the same list.

    To make sure that it fits the purpose, count the average percentage of minorities for the entire group. You will get 5 percent. The count the amount of ethnic Russians for these regions, in sum total. You will get 50 million.

     

    Your methodology is well understood, the problem as I have already explained twice is that Moscow is an outlier in terms of PISA-derived IQ with an average of 106.3. Much higher than other Russian regions.

    Muscovites are about 10% of all Russians, but they are 20% of your Russian sample of approximately 50 million. Because your sample includes all Muscovites but only half of other Russians, your sample's average IQ is skewed upward and therefore overestimates Russian IQ.

    The honest adjustment to make in your calculations would have been to halve the number of Muscovites so they correspond to the percentage of Muscovites among all Russians.

    Steven Sailer did not make it up. You just failed to find it. You, the dishonest Sovok liar, naturally have a habit of falsely accusing others of doing what you do.

    No buddy. You are the liar.

    Steven Sailer posted a link. There’s no statistis for white Americans on the page he referenced. Nor is there anything like that on the pages, referenced on that page. And you bring up the page from 2015, whereas his post is from 2012. You reference the data from a different web site whatsoever.
     
    You claimed he invented the number - you accused him of lying. When you just didn't want to find the actual data, that could be found in 2 minutes on google.

    The link I provided also provided a path to the 2012 results. I just used the 2015 results in order to compare to the map you posted.

    The sampled area covers all of the Russia’s territory, the featured regions have a minimal percentage of minorities, the pool of people is huge, the selection was random. Didn’t depend on the score.
     
    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.

    "Here is a more recent study (2017) using actual IQ test rather than trying to derive IQ from PISA."

    As it has been explained in the other post, Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is not an actual IQ test. That’s a test for children, with nonverbal questions, so called puzzles. It doesn’t correlate with the Wechsler test.
     
    You packed quite a few lies into your little statement, Sharikov. Raven’s Standard Progressive Matrices is an actual IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test (I posted that but you haven't even addressed it, you ignored it).

    If you don't believe me, ask the psychologist at Unz, Dr. James Thompson.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven%27s_Progressive_Matrices

    Raven's Progressive Matrices (often referred to simply as Raven's Matrices) or RPM is a non-verbal test typically used to measure general human intelligence and abstract reasoning and is regarded as a non-verbal estimate of fluid intelligence.[1] It is one of the most common tests administered to both groups and individuals ranging from 5-year-olds to the elderly.

    The routine administration of what became the Standard Progressive Matrices to all entrants (conscripts) to many military services throughout the world (including the Soviet Union) continued at least until the present century. It was by bringing together these data that James R. Flynn was able to place the intergenerational increase in scores beyond reasonable doubt.[7] Flynn's path-breaking publications on IQ gains around the world have led to the phenomenon of the gains being known as the Flynn effect. Among Robert L. Thorndike[8] and other researchers who preceded Flynn in finding evidence of IQ score gains was John Raven,[9] reporting on studies with the RPM.

    The high IQ societies Intertel and the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry (ISPE) accept the RAPM as a qualification for admission,[13][14] and so does the International High IQ Society.[15]

    Correlation of Raven's with Wechsler:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/308170039_Assessment_of_intelligence_with_Raven_and_WAIS_in_patients_with_psychosis

    Regarding our main hypothesis, a strong correlation was detected between the WAIS IQ FULL score and the RPM score (p<0.01). Moreover there was a correlation between RPM scores and WAIS performance IQ scores (PIQ) (p<0.001)

    Furthermore Yakutia has a larger than average share of rural population. 36 percent is a little too much to extrapolate the result to the rest of Russia, where the average percentage of rural population is 25.
     
    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample with no adjustment and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts. Stop doing that. That’s moronic.

    Stop being such a bozo.

    You claimed he invented the number – you accused him of lying.

    No. “Probably” doesn’t mean accusation it’s an assumption. Since he didn’t provide his readers with a reference, it was normal to assume he could have made it up. Bloggers often do that.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.

    You oversampled people from Moscow. Your results wee therefore skewed. That is very easy to see.

    Has been corrected. Didn’t change much.

    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.

    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can’t make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That’s the easiest part of the Wechsler test.

    You can do this block well and fail the others.

    “The aim of the present study was to investigate whether there is an association between WAIS Full Scale IQ and RPM in patients with psychosis.”

    You keep posting the same thing twice, it’s annoying and doesn’t make any sense.

    Sure, make the adjustment. Given how you stupidly and stubbornly include Moscow in your sample and based on that make claims about Russians in general, you have no room to criticize this oversampling of the rural population.

    The problem is not even the rural population, this region is in general not a good frame of reference – it’s an outlier as you call it, with 92.5 score and 50 percent Yakutians, 38 percent Russians.

    Doesn’t cut it.

  428. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Pulitzer? That cholo cartoonist is really something.

    New York Times also got a Pulitzer for the in-depth coverage of "Trump is a Russian puppet!!! he watched girls piss on bed sheets in Moscow". We are not impressed by an institution that stupid and corrupt.

    The caricature was idiotic, on the level of Nazi or Commie "hate-our-enemies" cartoons, neither funny nor true. There will be more like that, this is quite a circus, I suspect monkeys will be appearing soon - Putin as a long-limbed ape reaching into Western wallets, Senor Rodriguez will draw it. And damn Putin has been lowering the temperature in my sauna....there must be a cartoon there somewhere. (Or we are out of cheap energy, but don't mention that.)

    You will laugh since propaganda deeply touches you.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Sean

    One thing is evident: the superior cyber capabilities of Russia to manipulate the US are an American lie. According to George Beebe, US cyber espionage against Russia’s nuclear weapons control computers might all too easily be mistaken for clandestinely deactivating them or even programing them to attack targets in Russia, and thus tantamount to an American act of war against the Russian Federation. It would only take one ‘wild’ operation to be discovered.

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down from weakening Russia ( Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin) or removing Putin (Biden) in order to reset the policy goal o be a stalemate. But would Russia accept a stalemate, given that the Ukraine was is being fought somewhere no one would choose to fight Russia, because it is where it is going to be have short lines of supply and in the ‘near abroad’ where such a stalemate would be an extreme humiliation for them? The level of US support for Ukraine to enable it to attain stalemate would be so great that it would be getting very close to actual participation in the eyes of Russia. As Mearsheimer says the closer what America is doing gets to working, the more dangerous the course of action becomes.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Sean

    At this point each side goals are almost irrelevant. The war itself has taken over - as in most large-scale past wars. It has gone too far for the war to end now, or for a stalemate. It will go on until one or the other side is lying defeated with its face in the sand. Then the regrets will come.

    Russia understand this better than US, there is fatalism in their pronouncements. Kiev knows it too but fears what it could mean, so they pretend optimism. Europe understands nothing - they are Mr. Hacks of the war - in denial alternating between boastful foolishness and weepy hysteria. US is cooly confident - no outcome can really hurt it and longer it goes on the better.

    Wars become like that: mindless fighting with inability to stop. Russia's achilles heel is morale - why do this? must be on many people's mind. Kiev's biggest weakness is lack off strategic depth if Russia takes all of Donbas and keeps most of the Black See coast. Our biggest problem is that we are at a mercy of unpredictable war dynamics - any accident, bad luck, provocation, etc...

    One more time: wouldn't accepting the Minsk compromise and putting Nato on ice really be such a bad thing for Ukraine? Is this better? Or is it too impolite to ask?

    , @A123
    @Sean


    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down ... to reset the policy goal to be a stalemate.
     
    You are approaching the truth. Now take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

    The European WEF:
        • Controls Not-The-President Biden
        • Wants Open Borders
        • Encourages MENA origin flows on forged Ukie documents
        • Places U.S. taxpayers on the hook for their scam

    A stalemate is the optimum outcome for the European WEF.

    Their worst case scenario is an armistice that lets genuine refugees return home. Negotiating in good faith with Russia is Ukraine's best option. To head off this possibility, millions of WEF funded € have found their way into Zelensky's pockets (1).

    Everything makes sense once America is correctly understood as a "pawn", or at best an expendable "knight". The European Elite, WEF "king" sits safely in his Davos castle, above the fray.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

  429. @Here Be Dragon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Kabbalah is about Hebrew, the Latin alphabet isn't featured in Kabbalah. The letter Z in Hebrew is the letter ז – at least it's pronounced the same, but the name of the letter is also is a word in Hebrew, which means a dick, a penis.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    In original Hebrew and Kabbalah, “Z” means to “weapons of war”, “to arm”.
    https://hebrewtoday.com/alphabet/the-letter-zine-%D7%96/

    “The root meaning of the Hebrew letter Z is interesting in itself. While it means a “sword “or “sharp weapon,” as explained above, the meaning of the word is also connected to food and sustenance…Some scholars say that the meaning behind this is that while pointless bloodshed is certainly not the ideal, we sometimes must fight in order to defend our lives and our way of life.”

    So, a conspiracy theory of the occult meaning of the “Z”, is consistent, with the meaning of the symbol to represent the “special military operation”.

    Zhirinovsky’s Palindrome Day of when he said last year, the bombing of Kiev will begin, “22, 02, 2022” would be important in Kabbalah.

    There 22 Hebrew letters. 22 lines on the Tree of Life in Kabbalah. Anyone who is schizophrenic enough here, you can probably find something there
    https://allaboutheaven.org/symbols/hebrew-alphabet-the/123

    “Z” can also refer to “zombie”, like in “World War Z”.
    Whether you want to believe “creative” conspiracy theories of a satanist astrological numerologists, or not, there is definitely some attempts at “zombification”..

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    From the artile you referenced –


    The original meaning of the letter Zayin is a “sword” or “sharp weapon,” with the word “lezayen” coming to mean “to arm” in the Modern Hebrew language. However, please note – the word in slang and common talk has come to mean a really not nice word – so please do not use it!
     
    You said you had friends in Israel, so ask them what the word Zayin means, and if they have ever heard that its original meaning is "sword or sharp weapon."

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Dick&op=translate
    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Fuck&op=translate

    You can click on the sound speaker to hear how it sounds.

    The truth is in Kabbalah it's all about sex. Fallic allegories vaginal allegories etc. But they aren't telling this to the general public. The same as they aren't telling that the first name of their God, Shaddai, is translated as the Lord of Demons.

    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=ru&tl=en&text=%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%B2&op=translate

    Replies: @Dmitry

  430. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...even working professionals were forced to live like that.
     
    You know nothing. My dad was a 'professional' and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was 'equally poor' is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 - visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure. Have you been? I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980's. So what is it? Did they go backwards for 30 years or are your 'numbers' out of context and self-serving?

    This is by the way by far the most common observation young people make after going to visit the West or travel in US: how run-down and much poorer than they thought it is. We see shocking poverty, homeless, insecurity, very hard working unhappy people worried about everything. That is what we talk about.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your 'boss' is even more valuable. You have no idea what it was like, you live in a propagandized caricature world.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    un-down and much poorer than they thought it is.

    What? That doesn’t make sense, as someone from a postsoviet origin – most of the West shocks how wealthy and luxury it is. I even have culture shock about this, that for years of habituation seems to increase, rather than decrease.

    I live in the West and my combination of travel expense and things like “storage costs”, are more than many peoples’ total salaries outside the West. In addition, the amount of hours of work in the West is sometimes low, relative to salary. This feeling like they are paying you more than you deserved is common in the West. There is a constant illogical “why are they paying this salary? Why is there so much money?”

    worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable

    In Soviet times people worked more, but of course on average, most people were happier than today, if you believe what most any people who were living then will say to you. I don’t know anyone who remember Soviet times, who doesn’t say it was better. A lot of this may be because of the greater equality and public investment levels.

    According to surveys (whether we believe those or not is another question), equality is one of the main correlates of “national happiness”, e.g. across different historical times in the United States.
    http://www.factorhappiness.at/downloads/quellen/s13_oishi.pdf

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Dmitry

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn't. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don't want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us - and we were much better off than you - to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not - you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad - we had stuff you didn't have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn't - or you don't believe it - well, I can't help that.

    We were not "Soviets", we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don't now try to "be like us" - you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about "Ukraine in Visegrad". You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

  431. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...even working professionals were forced to live like that.
     
    You know nothing. My dad was a 'professional' and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was 'equally poor' is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 - visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure. Have you been? I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980's. So what is it? Did they go backwards for 30 years or are your 'numbers' out of context and self-serving?

    This is by the way by far the most common observation young people make after going to visit the West or travel in US: how run-down and much poorer than they thought it is. We see shocking poverty, homeless, insecurity, very hard working unhappy people worried about everything. That is what we talk about.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your 'boss' is even more valuable. You have no idea what it was like, you live in a propagandized caricature world.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP

    My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.

    The differences were so small that for a Westerner it looked about the same. Or course, people used to such small differences might have motived them more.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure.

    The problem is that you have a well-established record of lying all the time. Other posters do not. So when Verymuchalive states:

    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    He is more believable than you when you contradict him. And others such as Dmitry reinforce those perceptions. And of course data such as GDP per capita support the perceptions that others have (but you don’t like data either).

    I have not been to Czechoslovakia but I visited Ukraine in 1990, back when it wasn’t much poorer than Visegrad. The poverty was one of the strongest impressions.

    I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s.

    I’m sure you can lie about many places.

    In reality, you would have to find some really marginal ghettos to find places that were poorer. And even then it might be illusory – you might find that those poor people have more automobiles and televisions than did the not-poor Czechs of 1989, they just live in dirty and messy places because that’s the kind of dysfunctional it takes for people in the West to manage to live materially like 1989 Warsaw Pact socialists.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable.

    In most western counties you can choose unemployment, the government will provide you with housing and some spending money. No bosses to worry about. Plenty of free time. You can recreate the world of Warsaw Pact socialism in the 1980s in your personal life.

    • Agree: silviosilver
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    You seem to be a complete idiot, so I will drop it. It is not possible to discuss with a person whose only arguments are constant ad hominem vapid idiocies. You can have your messy, dirty Western "but rich" sh..tholes with the welfare that you seem to like so much and TVs (what the f..ck, TVs? what are you a baby boomer?) You have a closed mind. That is a sad thing, but we can't change it.

    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards, maybe to the poorer parts of eastern Poland. It was always much poorer and underdeveloped. You know nothing and make up stuff based on your shallow nothing experiences. Good luck with that, losing a war may shake some sense into you, but I doubt it.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Miro23
    @AP


    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.
     
    I visited Poland (Krakow) from Spain in the mid 1980's and I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary. Everyone quite friendly but little money, small old noisy cars and rundown buildings.

    Spain was better, but only within about 20 years. In the 1960's it was equally rough, run down, no money with a real lack of consumer goods.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

  432. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin's a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he's more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    Replies: @LatW, @Anatoly Karlin

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian

    We don’t know that a 100% (he did mention at one point that somebody thought he looked Tatar so he’s probably a brunette but he also mentioned a relative in Penza who may have been Baltic), but, yeah, he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    Unfortunately, no. Russia is 80% Slavic, yet all those people do not hold Bashi’s views. A large proportion of them are hardcore vatnik imperialists, being the dominant nationality in a “multi-racial Empire” they do feel comfortable in it and yearn for it. Not only “mixed race Caucasoids”, but also a large majority of Slavic Russians and the Orthodox hold imperialist views.

    Bashi’s ideological background stems from Rodnover nationalism, which is a relatively small group of Russian right wingers. Of course, he is more sophisticated and has a much more open mind and an almost cosmopolitan breadth. His views are independent, only partially determined by his ethnicity.

    For you, Bashi… wish what is happening right now had never happened.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @LatW

    Rodnovor gatherings were shelled in the recent war I think they suspected it was Russians.
    Let's hope Rodnovory can restore the Slavs to spiritual sovereignty.

    Bashibazuk do you have discord? I'm not in the Karlin server atm, but in general.
    You & Altan are good to keep in contact with.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    , @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.
     
    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko's Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language. Bashi was of course sympathetic to Ukrainians and I think really saw himself as an East Slav. He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler's war in Ukraine. He was quite deep intellectually and I miss our discussions very much. I wish he would return and give us more of his take on what's going on. His unique opinions would delve much further beneath the surface of most topics.

    Replies: @LatW

  433. @Sean
    @Beckow

    One thing is evident: the superior cyber capabilities of Russia to manipulate the US are an American lie. According to George Beebe, US cyber espionage against Russia's nuclear weapons control computers might all too easily be mistaken for clandestinely deactivating them or even programing them to attack targets in Russia, and thus tantamount to an American act of war against the Russian Federation. It would only take one 'wild' operation to be discovered.

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down from weakening Russia ( Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin) or removing Putin (Biden) in order to reset the policy goal o be a stalemate. But would Russia accept a stalemate, given that the Ukraine was is being fought somewhere no one would choose to fight Russia, because it is where it is going to be have short lines of supply and in the 'near abroad' where such a stalemate would be an extreme humiliation for them? The level of US support for Ukraine to enable it to attain stalemate would be so great that it would be getting very close to actual participation in the eyes of Russia. As Mearsheimer says the closer what America is doing gets to working, the more dangerous the course of action becomes.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    At this point each side goals are almost irrelevant. The war itself has taken over – as in most large-scale past wars. It has gone too far for the war to end now, or for a stalemate. It will go on until one or the other side is lying defeated with its face in the sand. Then the regrets will come.

    Russia understand this better than US, there is fatalism in their pronouncements. Kiev knows it too but fears what it could mean, so they pretend optimism. Europe understands nothing – they are Mr. Hacks of the war – in denial alternating between boastful foolishness and weepy hysteria. US is cooly confident – no outcome can really hurt it and longer it goes on the better.

    Wars become like that: mindless fighting with inability to stop. Russia’s achilles heel is morale – why do this? must be on many people’s mind. Kiev’s biggest weakness is lack off strategic depth if Russia takes all of Donbas and keeps most of the Black See coast. Our biggest problem is that we are at a mercy of unpredictable war dynamics – any accident, bad luck, provocation, etc…

    One more time: wouldn’t accepting the Minsk compromise and putting Nato on ice really be such a bad thing for Ukraine? Is this better? Or is it too impolite to ask?

  434. @AP
    @Beckow


    My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.
     
    The differences were so small that for a Westerner it looked about the same. Or course, people used to such small differences might have motived them more.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure.
     
    The problem is that you have a well-established record of lying all the time. Other posters do not. So when Verymuchalive states:

    "I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.
     
    He is more believable than you when you contradict him. And others such as Dmitry reinforce those perceptions. And of course data such as GDP per capita support the perceptions that others have (but you don't like data either).

    I have not been to Czechoslovakia but I visited Ukraine in 1990, back when it wasn't much poorer than Visegrad. The poverty was one of the strongest impressions.

    I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s.
     
    I'm sure you can lie about many places.

    In reality, you would have to find some really marginal ghettos to find places that were poorer. And even then it might be illusory - you might find that those poor people have more automobiles and televisions than did the not-poor Czechs of 1989, they just live in dirty and messy places because that's the kind of dysfunctional it takes for people in the West to manage to live materially like 1989 Warsaw Pact socialists.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable.
     
    In most western counties you can choose unemployment, the government will provide you with housing and some spending money. No bosses to worry about. Plenty of free time. You can recreate the world of Warsaw Pact socialism in the 1980s in your personal life.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Miro23

    You seem to be a complete idiot, so I will drop it. It is not possible to discuss with a person whose only arguments are constant ad hominem vapid idiocies. You can have your messy, dirty Western “but rich” sh..tholes with the welfare that you seem to like so much and TVs (what the f..ck, TVs? what are you a baby boomer?) You have a closed mind. That is a sad thing, but we can’t change it.

    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards, maybe to the poorer parts of eastern Poland. It was always much poorer and underdeveloped. You know nothing and make up stuff based on your shallow nothing experiences. Good luck with that, losing a war may shake some sense into you, but I doubt it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow

    Aw, Beckow's feelings were hurt when his lies were explained to him.


    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards
     
    In the early 1990s in terms of purchasing power parity Ukraine was between Poland and Czech Republic. Russia was almost the same as Czech Republic so your rude words towards Dmitry are unfounded:

    https://i.imgur.com/6N0p5AG.png

    Slovak Republic was much like Poland, so poorer than Ukraine until 1993 and poorer than Russia until 1996:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=UA-SK-RU

    I remember in 1990, there were Polish traders coming to Kiev.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  435. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    The cartoonist that you reference, Michael Ramirez, as being of "extreme ignorance" is an accomplished individual whose intellectual accomplishments in his field make him among the very best in the world. If you had one tenth of the chutzpah or intelligence that this individual possesses, you might be slightly credible, but you don't. Here is a list of his accomplishments:

    1994: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning
    1995: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    1996: Mencken Award for Editorial Cartooning, presented by Free Press Association[16]
    1997: UCI Medal, University of California, Irvine
    1997: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2004: Lincoln Fellow, Claremont Institute
    2005: Scripps Howard Foundation, National Journalism Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2006: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2007: Sigma Delta Chi Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2008: Pulitzer Prize for Editorial Cartooning[1]
    2008: Fischetti Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2011: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning[17]
    2013: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2014: National Cartoonist Society Division Award for Editorial Cartooning
    2015: National Cartoonist Society The Reuben Award
    2018: Benjamin Harrison Presidential Site Advancing American Democracy Award
    Honorary Member of Pi Sigma Alpha, National Political Honor Society

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    On Russia, he’s a moron thereby explaining why you like him.

    Reminded somewhat of Max Boot:

    Can’t resist –

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
  436. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you're an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don't know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven't influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you're a real nobody. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁

    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    Elite media doesn’t have the best rep among the masses on account of the kind of feeble minds getting coddled in that circle.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.
     
    A real talent like Ramirez would never waste his time on a nobody like yourself. Unfortunately, fate has assigned that unenviable task to lowly hacks and other less gifted individuals. Since you seem to be moved by his work so much (as I mentioned, adored by millions of others around the planet), here's one more you can ponder:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2018/03/30/michael_ramirez_michael_ramirez_for_mar_30_2018_5_.jpg
    You have this same blood on your hands. Can't seem to wash it off can you?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @A123
    @Mikhail

    Michael Ramirez was good years ago, but his more recent track record is quite mixed. He often comes across as a #NeverTrump fascist. Supporting neo-Nazi Azovites is an unsurprising development.

    What the Establishment wants, Ramirez delivers....

    Every once in a while he slips the leash & delivers something insightful. Sadly, that is now a rare occasion.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08afd7f2-e533-41d6-8297-57b9d760db5c_1404x1020.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  437. @songbird
    @A123

    Peaches are good, but peach trees only produce fruit for about a dozen years. What kind of other fruit tree gyps you like that?

    Seen apple trees that must have been >100 years old, still giving apples.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @A123

    Pear trees apparently have a rep of not being so durable. My neighborhood sought smaller trees to the taller ones that over time could bring havoc to the electrical lines. The replacement pear trees didn’t generally last long. At a village board meeting, I recall someone saying that was their rep.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mikhail

    Have a pear tree now. Seems to be fairly fruitful, but quite a lot different from the supermarket pears.

    Very thick-skinned, imo, you've got to peel them. Most times that I tried to eat them, they haven't tasted good. Figure there must be a science to picking them on the right day and to ripening them. Or maybe, with this variety, you're supposed to cook them.

  438. One more time: wouldn’t accepting the Minsk compromise and putting Nato on ice really be such a bad thing for Ukraine? Is this better? Or is it too impolite to ask?

    Beckow, you go on and on like an old record. Minsk wasn’t about normal autonomy, the sort that the Faroe Islands have. The demand was to put the Donbas militiamen in positions of power as well as serve as border guards. They would not be neutral or autonomous, but would naturally fraternize with Russia. They would not be loyal to Ukraine in that form.

    Please, do not pretend this was about Minsk. Remember the “ultimatum” that came from Putin right before the war. He did mean it, it wasn’t just some diplomatic game. He did mean for NATO to get the hell out of half of Europe, including your country.

    If it had been only about Minsk, he would’ve just annexed Donbas, filled it up with troops and weapons and been happy with it. Even under that scenario, he would be controlling a large part of the Black Sea coast (and further) and a large part of Ukraine would in the range of his missiles. But he didn’t feel that was enough. All or most of Ukraine had to be “demilitarized” and Russified back since it was becoming an “anti-Russia” (in his mind). Minsk would’ve been just the first step.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    You didn't answer my question: "is this better?"

    You are worse than a broken record, you repeat projections that cannot be validated. If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn't Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    The stuff about "fraternizing border guards" is nonsense - it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its "autonomous" regions, it has been done many times. You just wait for the right time, buy people, manipulate - as long as it is a single country it can be fixed.

    But this is not about the "autonomy", is it? This is about what you so strenuously deny: Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war - or a threat of war - on Russia. You can't say that because it wouldn't sell well, so you blabber incoherent nonsense about why Donbas autonomy was this or that, how Russia "didn't mean it", and something about border guards shacking up with each other. In any case, all of that is theoretical now - let's see who wins the war.

    Replies: @Sean, @LatW

  439. @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    un-down and much poorer than they thought it is.
     
    What? That doesn't make sense, as someone from a postsoviet origin - most of the West shocks how wealthy and luxury it is. I even have culture shock about this, that for years of habituation seems to increase, rather than decrease.

    I live in the West and my combination of travel expense and things like "storage costs", are more than many peoples' total salaries outside the West. In addition, the amount of hours of work in the West is sometimes low, relative to salary. This feeling like they are paying you more than you deserved is common in the West. There is a constant illogical "why are they paying this salary? Why is there so much money?"


    worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable

     

    In Soviet times people worked more, but of course on average, most people were happier than today, if you believe what most any people who were living then will say to you. I don't know anyone who remember Soviet times, who doesn't say it was better. A lot of this may be because of the greater equality and public investment levels.

    According to surveys (whether we believe those or not is another question), equality is one of the main correlates of "national happiness", e.g. across different historical times in the United States.
    http://www.factorhappiness.at/downloads/quellen/s13_oishi.pdf

    Replies: @Beckow

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn’t. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don’t want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us – and we were much better off than you – to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not – you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad – we had stuff you didn’t have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn’t – or you don’t believe it – well, I can’t help that.

    We were not “Soviets”, we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don’t now try to “be like us” – you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about “Ukraine in Visegrad”. You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    Ukiedelusionsarealarming.

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    You left out the part about the Slovakian sheep dog.



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Cuvac_1.jpg


    Slovakia--our country ain't fake and gay!

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    You were poor and you
     
    I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately, although I have more than enough knowledge of it, from its ruins. My family has been actually more economically comfortable than average and has some luck (although not in every way, as everyone suffers the low public investment in capitalism). My point is that today the description of the West being "poorer" than we expect, is not matching contemporary experience of 21st century, or my experience. My impressions have been more like "cornucopia" in the West as I live there, so I see a lot of the Western economy with my own eyes.

    we had stuff you didn’t have.
     
    In the Soviet Union, there was also access to all kinds of stuff. My parents know more about 1980s Western music and culture, than much of the 1980s people who were living in the West in the 1980s.

    Don’t now try to “be like us” – you were not, we had very different lives.
     
    Lol ok, you are proud of the Czech Republic. Perhaps you are really "superior European", not some poor-asses. I don't disagree. Czech Republic is one of the relatively developed and civilized regions of the world.

    Although maybe there are not only differences in the developed socialism of central Europeans as I see some similarities .. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel%C3%A1k

    I think the reason for the greater happiness compared to today, is probably not so different, than in the Soviet Union - it's the higher level of equality and public investment during the developed socialism.


    like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about “Ukraine in Visegrad”. You seem to share this shallow idea
     
    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country (unfortunately, unnecessarily, and sadly, now this year also a tragic warzone).

    But this doesn't mean they can't be in the EU, and probably would not develop economically in such a context. Afterall, there are countries as undeveloped and corrupt like Romania and Bulgaria have been accepted as member states of the EU. If Romania is in the EU, then probably Ukraine can be.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow

    Perhaps my opinion and experience may be of use in this argument.

    There were different regions in the Socialist world. Czechoslovakia was not the same as Poland. Bulgaria was not the same as Hungary. The USSR was different from all of them. You shouldn't put them on the same line.

    Below there are a lot of photos. And my commentaries.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CxBbgZvc/Socialism.jpg

    They were very different. For example, in Czechoslovakia they were making excellent cars and motorcycles – on a par with the West. Here is Škoda Rapid (1984).

    https://i.postimg.cc/vT0631RW/Skoda-Rapid-1984.png

    These ars were not better, but not worse either than Seat or Volkswagen models of the same class. Here is 1980's Jawa 350 bike – as good as any Japanese bike of that class in that time.

    https://i.postimg.cc/NGXXX0P2/Jawa-350.jpg

    Overall the assortment of good quality products might have been a little poorer than in the West, but in truth it didn't matter that much. You could get a Czechoslovakian coupe, or a Russian Lada Niva crossover SUV. A great automobile.

    https://i.postimg.cc/brtPrWz4/Lada-Niva.jpg

    Lada Niva was selling well in the West and in Japan as well.

    So it wasn't all that bad. Hungary was producing great city buses, Russia was making good trucks, and airplanes – very good ones, including the supersonic TU-144 liner.

    Speaking of the living conditions, most people really lived exactly the same as most people in the West did. Here is a typical East German house building, built in the late 70's. It's in Berlin, to be precise.

    https://i.postimg.cc/P52GMY56/Berlin.jpg

    Compare it to a typical house building in Munich, built in the same period. There's no difference.

    https://i.postimg.cc/5yRYv6Fj/House-Building-in-Munich.jpg

    Compare it to a typical house building in Prague, of the same period.

    https://i.postimg.cc/50dLsPp1/Prague.jpg

    Or compare it to a regular house building in Paris.

    https://i.postimg.cc/Gt4YXZYM/Paris-House-Building.jpg

    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.

    Most people in the West live in the cities and not in the suburbs. Here is a regular living city neighborhood in Posen, Poland – built in the late 70's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/nVPC39Ch/Posen-Poland.jpg

    Compare it to a typical neighborhood in Munich, of the same period.

    https://i.postimg.cc/SN9NVZBg/Munich.jpg

    And here below is a typical neighborhood in Moscow, built in the late 70's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/9XR75B37/Moscow.jpg

    Compare it to a typical neighborhood in Berlin, circa the late 70's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/XJKtpCmc/Berlin-Neighborhood.jpg

    Here is a regular neighborhood in Amsterdam, of the same period.

    https://i.postimg.cc/PqF5SN4j/Amsterdam.jpg

    And here is Paris, a late 70's or 80's neighborhood.

    https://i.postimg.cc/zDhGkzHs/Paris.jpg

    So what can be said in summary, the differene was that in the West people had a better choice of consumer goods – more cars, more clothes, more home eletronics. More food, but it was of lower quality. Better alcohol – we didn't have whiskey and Cognac. However the Armenian brandy was excellent, and the Czechoslovakian beer was great, but it wasn't available everywhere.

    Not every family could afford a car, at least in Russia it was about one out of ten families, that had a car. Perhaps someone can tell us how the situation was in other countries, probably better. Soviet Union was the poorest of the Warsaw Pact states, because it had to spend a lot on the restoration after the war. But really most countries in Eastern Europe had a comparable quality of life.

    Some countries actually lost rather than gained after the transition to capitalism. East Germany, for example – it was a developed country with high standards of living and education a clean and quiet country.

    Now Berlin is a dirty and crowded city with the highest rent prices in the entire Germany and at the same time there are 30 percent of immigrants. This is hardly an improvement in my humble opinion.

    Tell me what you think.

    Replies: @AP

  440. @LatW

    One more time: wouldn’t accepting the Minsk compromise and putting Nato on ice really be such a bad thing for Ukraine? Is this better? Or is it too impolite to ask?
     
    Beckow, you go on and on like an old record. Minsk wasn't about normal autonomy, the sort that the Faroe Islands have. The demand was to put the Donbas militiamen in positions of power as well as serve as border guards. They would not be neutral or autonomous, but would naturally fraternize with Russia. They would not be loyal to Ukraine in that form.

    Please, do not pretend this was about Minsk. Remember the "ultimatum" that came from Putin right before the war. He did mean it, it wasn't just some diplomatic game. He did mean for NATO to get the hell out of half of Europe, including your country.

    If it had been only about Minsk, he would've just annexed Donbas, filled it up with troops and weapons and been happy with it. Even under that scenario, he would be controlling a large part of the Black Sea coast (and further) and a large part of Ukraine would in the range of his missiles. But he didn't feel that was enough. All or most of Ukraine had to be "demilitarized" and Russified back since it was becoming an "anti-Russia" (in his mind). Minsk would've been just the first step.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You didn’t answer my question: “is this better?”

    You are worse than a broken record, you repeat projections that cannot be validated. If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    The stuff about “fraternizing border guards” is nonsense – it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its “autonomous” regions, it has been done many times. You just wait for the right time, buy people, manipulate – as long as it is a single country it can be fixed.

    But this is not about the “autonomy”, is it? This is about what you so strenuously deny: Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war – or a threat of war – on Russia. You can’t say that because it wouldn’t sell well, so you blabber incoherent nonsense about why Donbas autonomy was this or that, how Russia “didn’t mean it”, and something about border guards shacking up with each other. In any case, all of that is theoretical now – let’s see who wins the war.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Beckow


    . If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.
     
    If Russia again offered the deal that Poroshenko and Azov made Zelenesky back out off in 2019, he would bite their hand off.

    Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war – or a threat of war – on Russia.
     
    The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change and no one can know whether, why, or when. Russia was never going to agree to be bound hand and foot.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    You didn’t answer my question: “is this better?”
     
    The question was posed in a somewhat dubious way - you're assuming that it's somehow ok that a much larger country meddles in another countries domestic affairs (and meddles violently) and then if it can't get its way, starts mass murdering the smaller country's citizens and raizing their cities. You're kind of just shrugging it off saying "Oh, that's just life. Your choice". Well, if you are ok accepting barbarism, then that works. So if hypothetically, 3M Hungarians moved to Slovakia and started bossing Slovaks around and if they didn't submit, they'd start beating them up, we'd just say "Oh, that's just life, buddy. Just accept and get used to it." That's just very primitive.


    If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff?
     
    They did countless times, over and over. Arestovych was saying for months, if not years, that Donbass is needed as a means for Russia to control Ukraine externally.


    The stuff about “fraternizing border guards” is nonsense – it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its “autonomous” regions,
     
    Please, stop being duplicitous -- the moment Kyiv were to start "asserting control" over Donbas, the likes of you would start screeching about overreach. Kyiv did have plans of trying to re-integrate Donbas, but this was a huge task that could only begin once they could get it back. Their plans mostly included being accepting towards the people whom they considered "our people", not some kind of intended punitive operation that the Russian press was accusing them of.

    And, no, the part about the border guards, people in power positions, especially with interior ministry like functions, is very important. Crucial even. Would you put those who are hostile towards your nation and who were recently shooting at your children in charge of a regional power? Especially if they are loyal to a hostile neighbor? They would have to go through a long process of selecting who is trustworthy or not, this could be done, but Ukraine wasn't even given a chance to do that.

    This is also a rather big region to be assimilated back. As I said, currently and before the war it was not at all comparable to a normal European autonomous region (the likes of which you constantly use as examples that they should strive to emulate). For example, the Faroe Islands do not object to the Danish dominion. Their representatives are together with the Danish representatives at the Nordic Council and are very friendly to everyone in the region, it would be a long way before that were the case with Donbas (but may have been achieved eventually). Plus, there is usually no larger country with an agenda behind the autonomous region in the European examples, but here we have Russia.

    Well, let me pose a question, too -- if Russia only cared about Donbas (and the "Russian speakers' rights" there), then why start a full scale war on the whole of Ukraine? Why not just annex Donbas? Fill it up with weapons and troops. If you're saying that Russia was worried about the expansion of NATO (and here I will agree that this is definitely a factor, although it's not just NATO, Russia was worried about losing an important buffer in general, they were not ok with the current establishment, regardless of NATO aspirations), and then if the West wants to ever , as in some hypothetical distant future as there were no immediate intentions to do that, use the territory of Ukraine to launch an attack on Russia, then Russia could easily use both the Donbas area, Crimea, Belarus as well as Kaliningrad (and possibly some points in the Arctic region) to pre-empt this attack. Would this not be sufficient? Indeed, this would be more than plenty. Assuming they have enough advanced weaponry. We do see now that they're not performing as strikingly as was expected, but they are making slow progress, so most likely they would be able to pre-empt a hypothetical (and not very likely) attack from the West from the positions described above.

    Think back to the ultimatum, the ultimatum was totally real (and quite scary actually). Their plan must have been to first issue the ultimatum - "NATO, please, pick up your belongings and get out of Eastern Europe (including the Warsaw Pact states)". Back to 1997 (lol, after all the investments that have been made, people have moved on). Remember how they demanded a written response in 72 hours. Then, if no response, they will start the military operation, expecting that Ukraine would quickly fold, they would take Kyiv, perform a military parade on Khreshchatyk (they had packed ceremonial uniforms with them during the Kyiv offensive) and then from that powerful position, they would threaten further. At that point, they could tell NATO to get the hell out or else we will go further. They were counting on NATO folding as well. This plan didn't work, so the plan B now is a slow and brutal elimination of Ukraine.

    How would your president feel if one day the Russians came to her and said "Hey, pretty Suzanna, Slovakia needs to leave NATO asap. Forget all those investments of 15 years, in fact, we'll be able to use them eventually, time to close that party and also we will decide how many active troops you're allowed to have in your country." How would she like that and would she even take that seriously?

    Anyway, yes, this is all water under the bridge, but it's important to understand Russia's motivation and be honest about it.

    Replies: @Beckow

  441. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    You are in a bad mood again, baby.

    https://i.postimg.cc/XYNtFcZJ/Poop-throwing-ape.jpg

    Submit your home address, I'll send you a banana.


    There are numerous IQ tests. Wechsler is the most common of the comprehensive ones. And there are also nonverbal ones.
     
    Yes.

    However a nonverbal test doesn't examine intelligence, it does logic alone. Someone can be good at logic and retarded in other areas. For this reason the Wechsler test is considered the standard.

    Even though it is limited as well but not as much as others.

    Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale IV (WAIS IV): Return of the Gold Standard
    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09084280802644466

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.
     
    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn't be able to translate from one to another.

    The Standard Progressive Matrices is no more a test for children than are the block and image puzzle sections of the Wechsler test. And indeed the Standard Progressive Matrices is highly correlated with the Wechsler test.
     
    Perhaps not for children, it's a figure of speech. Can be used for children to be precise, whereas WAIS cannot.

    "A significant correlation was found between WAIS and RPM scores in patients with psychosis."

    Excellent reference – people with mental disorders.

    "The Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale (WAIS) is con-sidered the most reliable and commonly used intelligence test."

    You should have quoted this instead.

    Here is goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.
     
    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points, Zabaykalsky Krai with 90.5, Mari El with 92.3, Yakutia with 92.5, Irkutsk Oblast – 92.9, Kabardino-Balkaria – 93.1, Stavropol Krai – 93.2, Adygea with 93.4 points.

    These are outliers, and the number of people in these regions is the same as the population of Moscow.

    So the national average is not a good point of reference in this case.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.
     
    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won't you?

    Let's count it again.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow's population we get the score of 100.4, omitting 50 percent of St Petersburg we get 100.2, but now we have reduced the sample size to 42 149 023 people, and three low scoring regions in it now are becoming disproportionate as well.

    Kaluga – 94.0, Kemerovo – 95.9, Kursk – 97.1, in sum 4 513 803 people, who are now making more than 10 percent of our sample. So since we are making these corrections the same should be applied to them, and that will bring us back to 100.4, or precisely to 100.37, it looks like a fair number to me.

    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.

    Consider this, if you were asked what is most likely the Russian score in 2022, would you base your estimation on the old data, or you would take it into account, thinking it may be higher than before? What would you do if you were told that you will get a bunch of bananas, if you answer close enough?

    You would probably count the number of points gained in those last ten years, and that's 4.05, 0.405 for a year so for the last six years, highly likely, the score might have grown in 2.43 points, making it – for me, 102.8, and it seems to be the best bet.

    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now.

    In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place.
     
    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you're not coming back. And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours, you idiot.

    My misquoting your words wasn't in quotation marks so it didn't misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family. "Maybe one day I will return to our old Stalin-era flat" – why not, it's our flat, it's there, we can return when we want to.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it's that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.

    Denying a part of your family history isn't good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.

    Replies: @AP

    I’m combining replies to two posts:

    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts

    You keep repeating the falsehood in different posts.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.

    Evidence?

    Russian average PISA score dropped 10 points in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202018%20Insights%20and%20Interpretations%20FINAL%20PDF.pdf

    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.

    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.

    And? Research in this field often involves patients. Do you have a reason why scores on these tests would correlate in the patient population but not in the general population?

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can’t make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That’s the easiest part of the Wechsler test.

    All parts of the Wechsler test are equally “easy” because all are normed with a standard distribution of scores.

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.

    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to translate from one to another.

    I’ll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand.

    The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100. Accordingly, the verbal parts will vary by country. The questions will be different and will be easier/harder depending on how smart the population in each country is. Different vocabulary words, different information items, not merely translations of the same ones.

    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country and one can simply compare how many items one guesses correctly and use, say, British norms to obtain a British IQ for that person and an average British IQ for the group.

    This is why most of these cross-national studies use the Raven’s and not the Wechsler test. The Russian subjects use the exact same items as the British subjects, and one can calculate their IQ using British norms on those identical items.

    “Here it goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8.”

    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points

    Moscow is an outlier even in comparison to the ethnic Russian regions.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.

    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won’t you?

    It’s not as extreme and the population is smaller so it wouldn’t skew the sample as much.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow’s population we get the score of 100.4

    That’s almost exactly what I estimated it would be. Nice to see my intuition match the result.

    I wrote: “You included the Moscow outlier but didn’t include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so.”

    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.

    Russian scores on PISA regressed in 2018. The Russian average was 482 (see link to the pdf above) in 2018, compared to 492 in 2015. Don’t know what the ethnic Russian average was in 2018, but I doubt it has increased if the the overall Russian average has gone down.

    Meanwhile the White American average increased in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2018/pdf/PISA2018_compiled.pdf

    (use Ctr F to find white)

    It was 519 in 2015 but 521 in 2018.

    So Russians were a little bit dumber than white Americans in 2015, and this gap has probably increased.

    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now

    I’m glad you finally agree with me, when I stated it was probably around 100.5.

    But it is probably not higher now, given the decline in the overall Russian PISA performance in 2018 compared to 2015.

    [MORE]

    LOL, your obsession with my old place in Moscow continues.

    “In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place.”

    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you’re not coming back.

    You surely can. I rented a wonderful place in on a lake in Italy once for only a week, and speak happily of my apartment there.

    But I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.

    And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours

    There is no such implication. Stop lying.

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement

    Your words gave a dramatically different meaning so they did misrepresent what I said. You were just being dishonest as usual.

    AP: ““When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.”

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family

    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it’s that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.

    Not really. That relative redeemed any family sins by being part of the circle that helped to end the disgusting USSR in the late 1980s and early 1990s. And, to his credit, did not get rich in the 1990s by engaging in the mass theft and murder that many of his Soviet peers engaged in. Naive guy hoped the USSR would become a type of Sweden because he didn’t acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you, Sharikov, and in the debacle of the 1990s. Sadly, it couldn’t have ended any other way. That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    Denying a part of your family history isn’t good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.

    LOL, these Russian relatives of mine aren’t my ancestors, my non-Bolshevik family history is no worse.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/1zHBP9b4/Dr-Ape.jpg


    Hello ape.


    The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100.
     
    How can you be so dumb and be a doctor at the same time? This isn't funny anymore.

    Do you not understand, idiot, that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn't be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.

    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree, like it's some kind of merchandise. You have no competition, because most people can't afford education, and if they did, then you and people like you wouldn't be able to become doctors. You are too dumb to be a doctor, son.

    You shouldn't be a doctor.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity, and that's why there are not many versions of translated IQ tests – this is not easily done, usually bilingual people translate from one language to the other several times back and forth, until they get it right.


    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.
     
    Really, now it's the same in each country? You have said it's supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn't be normed? Dumbass.

    And you still got the nerve to call me stupid.

    You are that Sharikov you're talking about, he's in you. You are the stupid one here. You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn't deserve it.

    And you have very bad manners, on top of that, which is understandable considering your background. Stupid people like you, morons like you feel that insulting another person makes them look better.

    No, fool, it makes you look grotesque.


    I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.
     
    So isn't it what was implied, idiot?

    There is no such implication. Stop lying.
     
    Fool!

    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.
     
    Family members or ancestors doesn't make any difference.

    He didn’t acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you.
     
    You are the one who is morally corrupt.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur, full of self importance. You are calling me a liar when it's you who is lying.


    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?
     
    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  442. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    You seem to be a complete idiot, so I will drop it. It is not possible to discuss with a person whose only arguments are constant ad hominem vapid idiocies. You can have your messy, dirty Western "but rich" sh..tholes with the welfare that you seem to like so much and TVs (what the f..ck, TVs? what are you a baby boomer?) You have a closed mind. That is a sad thing, but we can't change it.

    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards, maybe to the poorer parts of eastern Poland. It was always much poorer and underdeveloped. You know nothing and make up stuff based on your shallow nothing experiences. Good luck with that, losing a war may shake some sense into you, but I doubt it.

    Replies: @AP

    Aw, Beckow’s feelings were hurt when his lies were explained to him.

    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards

    In the early 1990s in terms of purchasing power parity Ukraine was between Poland and Czech Republic. Russia was almost the same as Czech Republic so your rude words towards Dmitry are unfounded:

    Slovak Republic was much like Poland, so poorer than Ukraine until 1993 and poorer than Russia until 1996:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=UA-SK-RU

    I remember in 1990, there were Polish traders coming to Kiev.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @AP

    The growth in GDP PPP for the Czech Republic is easily explained. It is a small country which has seen massive German investment. To all intents and purposes, it acts as a branch economy of Germany.

    Poland's growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ). It is due to receive 140 bn euros net subsidy for the period 2021-27 ( 20 bn euros a year ). Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.
    One suspects that, without these options, Polish growth would have be very poor indeed.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  443. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    living standards were similar to France outside Paris-Lyon
     
    You can't really believe that. East Germany is usually considered the Eastern Bloc country with the highest living standard (or at least it can't have been below Czechoslovakia), and most households there didn't even own a telephone in the late 1980s.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Verymuchalive

    My views are the result of direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s. I never went to East Germany, but a friend went there in the mid-80s on a study tour. On his return, he said that the thing that struck him was that many households – the ones he saw – didn’t even have a fridge. An anecdote, I know, but consistent with what I had learned in Hungary.

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn’t even born in the 1980s. He didn’t contradict me on this. I’m not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Verymuchalive


    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn’t even born in the 1980s. He didn’t contradict me on this. I’m not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.
     
    I can understand why he annoys a lot of people here but his contrarian takes have some value, insofar as he shakes things up a bit and provides a different perspective.

    Some of his opinions aren't even crazy, e.g. his predictions that Mariupol has a lot of potential sounds plausible to me. It's a city with a special symbolic significance given it was the seat of the Azov battallion and it suffered more than any other city thus far in Ukraine. So Russia has an extraordinarily strong incentive to improve the city if for no other reason than propaganda purposes.

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I'd bet on Mariupol right now.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive


    ....direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s.
     
    Traveling is not a direct experience, only living simewhere is. The friend stories are suspicious: people like to put drama in their narratives. You seem stuck on "fridges", most people in the 80's had one. Some didn't as was the case in Spain or even UK. Fridges and dryers were not something many considered essential - almost all food was fresh. You confuse different lifestyles with poverty. We think that the American custom of manufacturing stale food and storing it for a long time is unhealthy and one can see it in the way Americans look now.

    I recall the 80's, and it simply wasn't the way Westerners are told it was. Like most societies it had issues and was often boring, but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure - we could travel to the West - Westerners are lied to that we couldn't. Soviets were somewhere, but they were invisible, not different from American soldiers in Germany or Italy. We learned English in school, had easy access to Western music, movies, etc... Nobody harassed us about politics, if anything by the mid-80's it was socially very unpopular to have pro-commie views, they were on a defensive.

    Economic history is based on numbers to measure things that cannot always be measured - e.g. US has a huge financial sector that makes no sense in other societies, it made absolutely no sense in socialist countries where a lot of stuff was free (too much in my view). The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult.

    Replies: @AP

  444. @AP
    @Beckow

    Aw, Beckow's feelings were hurt when his lies were explained to him.


    Ukraine was never comparable to Visegrad in living standards
     
    In the early 1990s in terms of purchasing power parity Ukraine was between Poland and Czech Republic. Russia was almost the same as Czech Republic so your rude words towards Dmitry are unfounded:

    https://i.imgur.com/6N0p5AG.png

    Slovak Republic was much like Poland, so poorer than Ukraine until 1993 and poorer than Russia until 1996:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=UA-SK-RU

    I remember in 1990, there were Polish traders coming to Kiev.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    The growth in GDP PPP for the Czech Republic is easily explained. It is a small country which has seen massive German investment. To all intents and purposes, it acts as a branch economy of Germany.

    Poland’s growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ). It is due to receive 140 bn euros net subsidy for the period 2021-27 ( 20 bn euros a year ). Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.
    One suspects that, without these options, Polish growth would have be very poor indeed.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Verymuchalive


    Poland’s growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ).

     

    Innumerates often forget to adjust for population. Poland's subsidies have not been greater than many EE countries.

    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms. Greece is an absolute, overindebted mess.

    https://i.imgur.com/27qdKNF.jpg

    (Ignore Luxembourg, their data is distorted due to tax-evasion flows which mucks up their capital account).

    I would agree that their growth hasn't been too improve, but this is more related to their low savings rate, which puts pressure on their currency.

    EU gibs are in general oversold as important for growth. Deep integration into the German supply chains have been more important for the V4 countries, and with it associated trade flows which have upgraded their industries.

    Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.
     

    Poland has been a net exporter of remittances since about 2016. As a percentage of GDP, they were always a lot less reliant on it than e.g. the Balts.

    https://i.imgur.com/Q5mdTMj.png

    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia. Unlike Czechia or Slovenia, which were already quite advanced in the early 1990s, Estonia was very poor and has done better than virtually any other EE country.

    Lithuania's progress has also been good, however they lost a huge share of their population (~20%) since the wall fell in 1989 and have lived off remittances to a much greater extent. That makes their per capita performance less impressive.

  445. @Beckow
    @LatW

    You didn't answer my question: "is this better?"

    You are worse than a broken record, you repeat projections that cannot be validated. If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn't Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    The stuff about "fraternizing border guards" is nonsense - it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its "autonomous" regions, it has been done many times. You just wait for the right time, buy people, manipulate - as long as it is a single country it can be fixed.

    But this is not about the "autonomy", is it? This is about what you so strenuously deny: Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war - or a threat of war - on Russia. You can't say that because it wouldn't sell well, so you blabber incoherent nonsense about why Donbas autonomy was this or that, how Russia "didn't mean it", and something about border guards shacking up with each other. In any case, all of that is theoretical now - let's see who wins the war.

    Replies: @Sean, @LatW

    . If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    If Russia again offered the deal that Poroshenko and Azov made Zelenesky back out off in 2019, he would bite their hand off.

    Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war – or a threat of war – on Russia.

    The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change and no one can know whether, why, or when. Russia was never going to agree to be bound hand and foot.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Sean


    ...The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change
     
    We have no way of knowing. There is not a single, monolithic West: some have the intention, some don't, some can be persuaded, some would attack only if it was easy. Most will lie about it, as they probably should - it is statecraft. Placing the bases in Ukraine would make that option more likely. In a few years, maybe decades, who knows. US would never allow benign Russian or Chinese bases in Quebec. This is actually very elementary, it is just that so many in the West have lost their minds.

    If Russia offers the same Minsk deal - a big if - Zelensky should take it. If the foaming-in-the-mouth Ukie nationalists don't like it, Zelko should pull the army out and tell them to fight by themselves. My guess is that Porky would be out of there and in Florida before Zelko would finish the sentence. They could then scuba-dive together.

  446. sher singh says:
    @LatW
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian
     
    We don't know that a 100% (he did mention at one point that somebody thought he looked Tatar so he's probably a brunette but he also mentioned a relative in Penza who may have been Baltic), but, yeah, he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

     

    Unfortunately, no. Russia is 80% Slavic, yet all those people do not hold Bashi's views. A large proportion of them are hardcore vatnik imperialists, being the dominant nationality in a "multi-racial Empire" they do feel comfortable in it and yearn for it. Not only "mixed race Caucasoids", but also a large majority of Slavic Russians and the Orthodox hold imperialist views.

    Bashi's ideological background stems from Rodnover nationalism, which is a relatively small group of Russian right wingers. Of course, he is more sophisticated and has a much more open mind and an almost cosmopolitan breadth. His views are independent, only partially determined by his ethnicity.

    For you, Bashi... wish what is happening right now had never happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMplwUbPiZE&t=45s

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mr. Hack

    Rodnovor gatherings were shelled in the recent war I think they suspected it was Russians.
    Let’s hope Rodnovory can restore the Slavs to spiritual sovereignty.

    Bashibazuk do you have discord? I’m not in the Karlin server atm, but in general.
    You & Altan are good to keep in contact with.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Thanks: LatW
  447. @Verymuchalive
    @German_reader

    My views are the result of direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s. I never went to East Germany, but a friend went there in the mid-80s on a study tour. On his return, he said that the thing that struck him was that many households - the ones he saw - didn't even have a fridge. An anecdote, I know, but consistent with what I had learned in Hungary.

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn't even born in the 1980s. He didn't contradict me on this. I'm not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @Beckow

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn’t even born in the 1980s. He didn’t contradict me on this. I’m not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    I can understand why he annoys a lot of people here but his contrarian takes have some value, insofar as he shakes things up a bit and provides a different perspective.

    Some of his opinions aren’t even crazy, e.g. his predictions that Mariupol has a lot of potential sounds plausible to me. It’s a city with a special symbolic significance given it was the seat of the Azov battallion and it suffered more than any other city thus far in Ukraine. So Russia has an extraordinarily strong incentive to improve the city if for no other reason than propaganda purposes.

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I’d bet on Mariupol right now.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Thulean Friend

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I’d bet on Mariupol right now.

    Spoken like a Swede who has spent all his money on Estonian real estate.

  448. @Beckow
    @Dmitry

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn't. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don't want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us - and we were much better off than you - to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not - you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad - we had stuff you didn't have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn't - or you don't believe it - well, I can't help that.

    We were not "Soviets", we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don't now try to "be like us" - you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about "Ukraine in Visegrad". You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    Ukiedelusionsarealarming.

  449. @Verymuchalive
    @AP

    The growth in GDP PPP for the Czech Republic is easily explained. It is a small country which has seen massive German investment. To all intents and purposes, it acts as a branch economy of Germany.

    Poland's growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ). It is due to receive 140 bn euros net subsidy for the period 2021-27 ( 20 bn euros a year ). Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.
    One suspects that, without these options, Polish growth would have be very poor indeed.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Poland’s growth is not impressive, bearing in mind 2 things. Firstly, it received about 100 bn euros net subsidy to 2020 from the EU ( principally Germany, Britain and France ).

    Innumerates often forget to adjust for population. Poland’s subsidies have not been greater than many EE countries.

    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms. Greece is an absolute, overindebted mess.

    (Ignore Luxembourg, their data is distorted due to tax-evasion flows which mucks up their capital account).

    I would agree that their growth hasn’t been too improve, but this is more related to their low savings rate, which puts pressure on their currency.

    EU gibs are in general oversold as important for growth. Deep integration into the German supply chains have been more important for the V4 countries, and with it associated trade flows which have upgraded their industries.

    Secondly, it has been able to offload millions of its population to other parts of Europe. Bear in mind, they also send remittances home.

    Poland has been a net exporter of remittances since about 2016. As a percentage of GDP, they were always a lot less reliant on it than e.g. the Balts.

    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia. Unlike Czechia or Slovenia, which were already quite advanced in the early 1990s, Estonia was very poor and has done better than virtually any other EE country.

    Lithuania’s progress has also been good, however they lost a huge share of their population (~20%) since the wall fell in 1989 and have lived off remittances to a much greater extent. That makes their per capita performance less impressive.

  450. @Mikhail
    @songbird

    Pear trees apparently have a rep of not being so durable. My neighborhood sought smaller trees to the taller ones that over time could bring havoc to the electrical lines. The replacement pear trees didn't generally last long. At a village board meeting, I recall someone saying that was their rep.

    Replies: @songbird

    Have a pear tree now. Seems to be fairly fruitful, but quite a lot different from the supermarket pears.

    Very thick-skinned, imo, you’ve got to peel them. Most times that I tried to eat them, they haven’t tasted good. Figure there must be a science to picking them on the right day and to ripening them. Or maybe, with this variety, you’re supposed to cook them.

  451. @Beckow
    @Dmitry

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn't. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don't want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us - and we were much better off than you - to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not - you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad - we had stuff you didn't have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn't - or you don't believe it - well, I can't help that.

    We were not "Soviets", we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don't now try to "be like us" - you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about "Ukraine in Visegrad". You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    You left out the part about the Slovakian sheep dog.

    Slovakia–our country ain’t fake and gay!

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I don't know about Beckow, though.

  452. If we really are serious, we would have to relate contributions and subsidies to GDP PPP per capita of the individual state. Prima facie, Bulgaria gets a very raw deal. It is the poorest state, and gets much less than Estonia, Latvia and Greece, for example.
    Then we have the problem of state indebtedness.

    You say
    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms.

    In 2021, Greek National Debt was 194%, Portugal’s 127% and Poland’s 54%. It would be innumerate of you not to mention this. In the case of Greece and Portugal, any excess per capita subsidies over Poland’s levels are surely more than compensated by debt repayments to German and French bankers. A sort of financial revolving doors.

    You say:
    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia.

    Estonia has a small – some would say tiny – population, 1.3 million, and low population density – about 80/square mile. It is low lying and has large areas suitable for forestry and agriculture ( and cheap housing ).
    It has also had heavy investment from Sweden and Finland – at least comparable to German investment in the Czech Republic on a per capita basis. Given the small size of the Estonian economy, heavy foreign investment will have a much greater effect.
    https://helsinki.mfa.ee/en/estonia-and-finland/economic-relations/

    Finland has been one of the two biggest investors in the Estonian economy during the entire period of Estonian independence (in second place after Sweden). According to the Bank of Estonia, in 2017 22% of the total amount of direct investment to Estonia came from Finland, totaling 4.3 billion euros. The greatest investment has been in the real estate sector (29%), manufacturing (25%), wholesale and retail trade (13%).

    Real estate sector ( 29% )

    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Verymuchalive

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt - and then cooked their books - is not the EU's fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You're just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    2. Estonia did indeed receive a lot of attention from Sweden. Probably more than any other EE country. Despite the 2008 GFC, where our banks were willfully blind and lent like drunken sailors, all the Baltic countries recovered smartly. By and large, I'd say that our investment more than paid off. The same can't be said for the fools who splurged on Greece.

    3. I'm too young to have speculated in Estonian real estate, but if I had been 20 years older or so, the chances are probably decent that I would've dabbled on the margins.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory.

    https://www.intellinews.com/511-3mn-of-funds-for-roads-in-bulgaria-spent-on-luxury-properties-interior-minister-says-247036/

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @A123

    , @LatW
    @Verymuchalive


    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!
     
    I would agree that real estate looks overinflated in Estonia (and btw, those holiday homes are purchased not just by Swedes, but also Latvians and Lithuanians (a family friend of mine has a nice house on the Saaremaa island), as well as up to now, by Russians. Russians love Baltic real estate in general.

    However, Estonia has a decent level of productivity per capita, as well as high HDI (at least in the top 30 in the world). It's up there with the Czech Republic on many metrics.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

  453. @Thulean Friend
    @Verymuchalive


    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn’t even born in the 1980s. He didn’t contradict me on this. I’m not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.
     
    I can understand why he annoys a lot of people here but his contrarian takes have some value, insofar as he shakes things up a bit and provides a different perspective.

    Some of his opinions aren't even crazy, e.g. his predictions that Mariupol has a lot of potential sounds plausible to me. It's a city with a special symbolic significance given it was the seat of the Azov battallion and it suffered more than any other city thus far in Ukraine. So Russia has an extraordinarily strong incentive to improve the city if for no other reason than propaganda purposes.

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I'd bet on Mariupol right now.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Indeed, if I was Russian with disposable capital to spend, I’d bet on Mariupol right now.

    Spoken like a Swede who has spent all his money on Estonian real estate.

  454. @Verymuchalive
    If we really are serious, we would have to relate contributions and subsidies to GDP PPP per capita of the individual state. Prima facie, Bulgaria gets a very raw deal. It is the poorest state, and gets much less than Estonia, Latvia and Greece, for example.
    Then we have the problem of state indebtedness.

    You say
    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms.

    In 2021, Greek National Debt was 194%, Portugal's 127% and Poland's 54%. It would be innumerate of you not to mention this. In the case of Greece and Portugal, any excess per capita subsidies over Poland's levels are surely more than compensated by debt repayments to German and French bankers. A sort of financial revolving doors.

    You say:
    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia.

    Estonia has a small - some would say tiny - population, 1.3 million, and low population density - about 80/square mile. It is low lying and has large areas suitable for forestry and agriculture ( and cheap housing ).
    It has also had heavy investment from Sweden and Finland - at least comparable to German investment in the Czech Republic on a per capita basis. Given the small size of the Estonian economy, heavy foreign investment will have a much greater effect.
    https://helsinki.mfa.ee/en/estonia-and-finland/economic-relations/

    Finland has been one of the two biggest investors in the Estonian economy during the entire period of Estonian independence (in second place after Sweden). According to the Bank of Estonia, in 2017 22% of the total amount of direct investment to Estonia came from Finland, totaling 4.3 billion euros. The greatest investment has been in the real estate sector (29%), manufacturing (25%), wholesale and retail trade (13%).

    Real estate sector ( 29% )

    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt – and then cooked their books – is not the EU’s fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You’re just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    2. Estonia did indeed receive a lot of attention from Sweden. Probably more than any other EE country. Despite the 2008 GFC, where our banks were willfully blind and lent like drunken sailors, all the Baltic countries recovered smartly. By and large, I’d say that our investment more than paid off. The same can’t be said for the fools who splurged on Greece.

    3. I’m too young to have speculated in Estonian real estate, but if I had been 20 years older or so, the chances are probably decent that I would’ve dabbled on the margins.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.

    https://www.intellinews.com/511-3mn-of-funds-for-roads-in-bulgaria-spent-on-luxury-properties-interior-minister-says-247036/

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @Thulean Friend

    You write


    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt – and then cooked their books – is not the EU’s fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You’re just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.
     
    I made no special plea for Greece, nor did I excuse its venal politicians. What is the EU's fault is that they knew that Greece was cooking the books and they didn't care because they knew the bankers could squeeze the money back anyway. The EU is responsible for the Euro, its currency, designed by and for the benefit of German and French manufacturers and bankers, especially the former. The Euroscam is at the heart of Greece's problems. It has prevented devaluation or default, which should have resolved the matter long ago. It has kept Greece in a state of austerity since 2009. See my reply #138 to this article.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.
     
    I said no such thing. I wrote that, prima facie, Bulgaria gets a raw deal. Whether, on closer examination, it actually does, I do not know. I would only say that, for a supposedly feckless Balkan state, the present and previous governments have kept a very tight lid on government debt.
    In April 2022, Government Debt was only 21.4% of GDP.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/bulgaria/government-debt-to-gdp

    For the period 2007-21:
    https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/bulgaria/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp
    The data reached an all-time high of 29.3 % in Mar 2016 and a record low of 12.7 % in Mar 2009.
    , @A123
    @Thulean Friend

    The single currency EZ has been a disaster since day one. Singling out Greece for their decision making misses the point entirely. It is much more important to focus on the "Cocaine Dealer" rather than the individual addict who has been trapped in a web of lies.

    Greece's best course of action is Monetization. They should unilaterally print their sovereign currency the Euro €, and immediately become debt free. Any nation that does not like a sovereign country taking sovereign action is free to leave the EU/EZ.

    Remember, there is no way to leave the EZ without also leaving the EU. This was deliberately designed into the EZ founding documents. European Elites wanted escape free colonies & plantations, not a collaboration of sovereign equals. They have unwittingly supplied the Sword that can be used to slay the Beast.

    PEACE 😇

  455. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    You left out the part about the Slovakian sheep dog.



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Cuvac_1.jpg


    Slovakia--our country ain't fake and gay!

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    I don’t know about Beckow, though.

  456. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁
     
    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    Elite media doesn't have the best rep among the masses on account of the kind of feeble minds getting coddled in that circle.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    A real talent like Ramirez would never waste his time on a nobody like yourself. Unfortunately, fate has assigned that unenviable task to lowly hacks and other less gifted individuals. Since you seem to be moved by his work so much (as I mentioned, adored by millions of others around the planet), here’s one more you can ponder:
    You have this same blood on your hands. Can’t seem to wash it off can you?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn't come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.

    This one is for you chump:

    https://twitter.com/Blackrussiantv/status/1540718630119391232

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  457. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @A123

    Peaches are good, but peach trees only produce fruit for about a dozen years. What kind of other fruit tree gyps you like that?

    Seen apple trees that must have been >100 years old, still giving apples.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @A123

    There are huge differences between plants:

    — Breed for current Agriculture & Distribution Chains
    — Wild/Heirloom strains

    Some of the Ag breeding is undeniably favorable (e.g. disease resistance). However, other choices are made for commercial viability. Appearance “shelf appeal” is prioritized over flavour. Durability to survive distribution is required.

    I suspect there are heirloom peach trees that would produce less fruit per season, but remain productive longer.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    I sometimes get sick of the store-bought varieties of apples.

    Amazing how many heritage apples there are said to be. You'd think that a place like New England would have more varieties available in the supermarkets, as they don't need long haul.

    Replies: @A123

  458. @LatW
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian
     
    We don't know that a 100% (he did mention at one point that somebody thought he looked Tatar so he's probably a brunette but he also mentioned a relative in Penza who may have been Baltic), but, yeah, he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

     

    Unfortunately, no. Russia is 80% Slavic, yet all those people do not hold Bashi's views. A large proportion of them are hardcore vatnik imperialists, being the dominant nationality in a "multi-racial Empire" they do feel comfortable in it and yearn for it. Not only "mixed race Caucasoids", but also a large majority of Slavic Russians and the Orthodox hold imperialist views.

    Bashi's ideological background stems from Rodnover nationalism, which is a relatively small group of Russian right wingers. Of course, he is more sophisticated and has a much more open mind and an almost cosmopolitan breadth. His views are independent, only partially determined by his ethnicity.

    For you, Bashi... wish what is happening right now had never happened.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMplwUbPiZE&t=45s

    Replies: @sher singh, @Mr. Hack

    he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.

    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko’s Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language. Bashi was of course sympathetic to Ukrainians and I think really saw himself as an East Slav. He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler’s war in Ukraine. He was quite deep intellectually and I miss our discussions very much. I wish he would return and give us more of his take on what’s going on. His unique opinions would delve much further beneath the surface of most topics.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko’s Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language.
     
    Must be where the eloquence came from. :) It seems he was anti-imperialist but he was not a pushover. He had quite a balanced combination of nationalism and a decent level of tolerance towards Russia's neighbors, which is a rare combo.

    He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler’s war in Ukraine.
     
    I think he hates both Putler and the Western side. This is crushing for everyone who cares about the Slavic people. If he had been in charge, there would be no war most likely.

    Who knows, maybe not all hope is lost and someone like him could come to power in Russia.

    Replies: @LatW

  459. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.
     
    A real talent like Ramirez would never waste his time on a nobody like yourself. Unfortunately, fate has assigned that unenviable task to lowly hacks and other less gifted individuals. Since you seem to be moved by his work so much (as I mentioned, adored by millions of others around the planet), here's one more you can ponder:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2018/03/30/michael_ramirez_michael_ramirez_for_mar_30_2018_5_.jpg
    You have this same blood on your hands. Can't seem to wash it off can you?

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn’t come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.

    This one is for you chump:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn’t come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.
     
    Is this how you see yourself? Only confirms my opinion of you as being a megalomaniacal fruitcake! :-)

    Replies: @Mikhail

  460. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    Compared to Michael Ramirez, you’re an abject nothing. He gets paid top dollar for his political commentary, whereas you (don’t know what the kremlin troll factory is paying non-descript and worthless trolls these days?) haven’t influenced even one reader here with your worthless dribble. Michael Ramirez influences the thoughts of millions of people around the planet with his incredible wit and talent. Sorry to be the one that needs to tell you Beckow, but Michael Ramirez is a real somebody in the world of selling ideas, whereas you’re a real nobody. 🙁
     
    Judging from that pathetic cartoon of his that you so adore, Ramirez would get intellectually demolished in a Russia related exchange with someone competent enough to offer a counter-reply.

    Elite media doesn't have the best rep among the masses on account of the kind of feeble minds getting coddled in that circle.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Michael Ramirez was good years ago, but his more recent track record is quite mixed. He often comes across as a #NeverTrump fascist. Supporting neo-Nazi Azovites is an unsurprising development.

    What the Establishment wants, Ramirez delivers….

    Every once in a while he slips the leash & delivers something insightful. Sadly, that is now a rare occasion.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Where has Ramirez supported "neo-Nazi Azovites? This one wasn't done by Ramirez, but I think that it perfectly depicts your fate as a bona-fide Putler groupie. Your newly constructed career as a kremlin stooge doesn't appear to be very promising? :-)

    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/buffalonews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/85/b8538ba2-1865-5959-b929-2eb3f46f9947/5ef14ab094022.image.jpg

  461. @Thulean Friend
    @Verymuchalive

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt - and then cooked their books - is not the EU's fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You're just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    2. Estonia did indeed receive a lot of attention from Sweden. Probably more than any other EE country. Despite the 2008 GFC, where our banks were willfully blind and lent like drunken sailors, all the Baltic countries recovered smartly. By and large, I'd say that our investment more than paid off. The same can't be said for the fools who splurged on Greece.

    3. I'm too young to have speculated in Estonian real estate, but if I had been 20 years older or so, the chances are probably decent that I would've dabbled on the margins.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory.

    https://www.intellinews.com/511-3mn-of-funds-for-roads-in-bulgaria-spent-on-luxury-properties-interior-minister-says-247036/

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @A123

    You write

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt – and then cooked their books – is not the EU’s fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You’re just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    I made no special plea for Greece, nor did I excuse its venal politicians. What is the EU’s fault is that they knew that Greece was cooking the books and they didn’t care because they knew the bankers could squeeze the money back anyway. The EU is responsible for the Euro, its currency, designed by and for the benefit of German and French manufacturers and bankers, especially the former. The Euroscam is at the heart of Greece’s problems. It has prevented devaluation or default, which should have resolved the matter long ago. It has kept Greece in a state of austerity since 2009. See my reply #138 to this article.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.

    I said no such thing. I wrote that, prima facie, Bulgaria gets a raw deal. Whether, on closer examination, it actually does, I do not know. I would only say that, for a supposedly feckless Balkan state, the present and previous governments have kept a very tight lid on government debt.
    In April 2022, Government Debt was only 21.4% of GDP.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/bulgaria/government-debt-to-gdp

    For the period 2007-21:
    https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/bulgaria/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp
    The data reached an all-time high of 29.3 % in Mar 2016 and a record low of 12.7 % in Mar 2009.

  462. A123 says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend
    @Verymuchalive

    1. The fact that Greece gorged on debt - and then cooked their books - is not the EU's fault. I have zero patience for their victimhood spiel. You're just making excuses for poor financial decisions on the part of Club Med countries.

    2. Estonia did indeed receive a lot of attention from Sweden. Probably more than any other EE country. Despite the 2008 GFC, where our banks were willfully blind and lent like drunken sailors, all the Baltic countries recovered smartly. By and large, I'd say that our investment more than paid off. The same can't be said for the fools who splurged on Greece.

    3. I'm too young to have speculated in Estonian real estate, but if I had been 20 years older or so, the chances are probably decent that I would've dabbled on the margins.

    4. You say Bulgaria deserves more gibs. I say they have to prove it first. They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory.

    https://www.intellinews.com/511-3mn-of-funds-for-roads-in-bulgaria-spent-on-luxury-properties-interior-minister-says-247036/

    Replies: @Verymuchalive, @A123

    The single currency EZ has been a disaster since day one. Singling out Greece for their decision making misses the point entirely. It is much more important to focus on the “Cocaine Dealer” rather than the individual addict who has been trapped in a web of lies.

    Greece’s best course of action is Monetization. They should unilaterally print their sovereign currency the Euro €, and immediately become debt free. Any nation that does not like a sovereign country taking sovereign action is free to leave the EU/EZ.

    Remember, there is no way to leave the EZ without also leaving the EU. This was deliberately designed into the EZ founding documents. European Elites wanted escape free colonies & plantations, not a collaboration of sovereign equals. They have unwittingly supplied the Sword that can be used to slay the Beast.

    PEACE 😇

  463. @A123
    @Mikhail

    Michael Ramirez was good years ago, but his more recent track record is quite mixed. He often comes across as a #NeverTrump fascist. Supporting neo-Nazi Azovites is an unsurprising development.

    What the Establishment wants, Ramirez delivers....

    Every once in a while he slips the leash & delivers something insightful. Sadly, that is now a rare occasion.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F08afd7f2-e533-41d6-8297-57b9d760db5c_1404x1020.jpeg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Where has Ramirez supported “neo-Nazi Azovites? This one wasn’t done by Ramirez, but I think that it perfectly depicts your fate as a bona-fide Putler groupie. Your newly constructed career as a kremlin stooge doesn’t appear to be very promising? 🙂

  464. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn't come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.

    This one is for you chump:

    https://twitter.com/Blackrussiantv/status/1540718630119391232

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn’t come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.

    Is this how you see yourself? Only confirms my opinion of you as being a megalomaniacal fruitcake! 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    As Dizzy Dean said, it aint bragging if you're good. Among other things, you post an idiotic cartoon under the guise that it's clever. In turn, I counter by factually noting how stupid it is.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  465. A123 says: • Website
    @Sean
    @Beckow

    One thing is evident: the superior cyber capabilities of Russia to manipulate the US are an American lie. According to George Beebe, US cyber espionage against Russia's nuclear weapons control computers might all too easily be mistaken for clandestinely deactivating them or even programing them to attack targets in Russia, and thus tantamount to an American act of war against the Russian Federation. It would only take one 'wild' operation to be discovered.

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down from weakening Russia ( Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin) or removing Putin (Biden) in order to reset the policy goal o be a stalemate. But would Russia accept a stalemate, given that the Ukraine was is being fought somewhere no one would choose to fight Russia, because it is where it is going to be have short lines of supply and in the 'near abroad' where such a stalemate would be an extreme humiliation for them? The level of US support for Ukraine to enable it to attain stalemate would be so great that it would be getting very close to actual participation in the eyes of Russia. As Mearsheimer says the closer what America is doing gets to working, the more dangerous the course of action becomes.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    Regarding Ukraine the Biden piece in the NYT, he has scaled the ostensible official American objectives down … to reset the policy goal to be a stalemate.

    You are approaching the truth. Now take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

    The European WEF:
        • Controls Not-The-President Biden
        • Wants Open Borders
        • Encourages MENA origin flows on forged Ukie documents
        • Places U.S. taxpayers on the hook for their scam

    A stalemate is the optimum outcome for the European WEF.

    Their worst case scenario is an armistice that lets genuine refugees return home. Negotiating in good faith with Russia is Ukraine’s best option. To head off this possibility, millions of WEF funded € have found their way into Zelensky’s pockets (1).

    Everything makes sense once America is correctly understood as a “pawn”, or at best an expendable “knight”. The European Elite, WEF “king” sits safely in his Davos castle, above the fray.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

  466. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    It's done all of the time in Russia. You mean you didn't know? :-)

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/16529230_web1_web_rmz-june3.jpg?crop=1

    Replies: @Mikhail, @AnonfromTN

    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West, including Alzheimer-in-chief, could even dream of. Response: temper tantrums in the West.

    It’s exactly like the story of Severodonetsk. Not too long ago the Ukie clown-in-chief proclaimed that the fate of Donbass will be decided by the battle of Severodonetsk. A few days ago Ukies acknowledged that the remainder of Ukie troops in Severodonetsk was told to abandon the city. I guess the fate of Donbass is sealed.

    There is nothing new here: Aesop’s fable about sour grapes is more than 2,000 years old. The meaning of the expression “sour grapes” is obvious to everyone even today.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West,
     
    Professor, you seem to have completely missed the meaning of this political cartoon. Take a look at it again, underneath a microscope if you must. Nobody in the West is envious of Putler's popularity if it comes as a result of his dubious and malicious control of the country. Underneath the veneer of "democracy" everything is perfectly calibrated so that Putler always comes out on top. You haven't noticed the number of journalists and opposing politicians that have met their untimely deaths in Russia? No, I suspect that you haven't, judging by your inability to discern the true meaning of this simple cartoon.
  467. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    Look who is talking. Your sub-mediocre cartoonist wouldn’t come out on top in an exchange with yours truly, as evidenced by his idiotic cartoons, relative to my top quality, cutting edge analysis.
     
    Is this how you see yourself? Only confirms my opinion of you as being a megalomaniacal fruitcake! :-)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    As Dizzy Dean said, it aint bragging if you’re good. Among other things, you post an idiotic cartoon under the guise that it’s clever. In turn, I counter by factually noting how stupid it is.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    You might appeal to the "dizzy" crowd out there, but to anybody with any brains they can quickly see through your kremlin stooge song and dance routine. Pathetic!

  468. @216
    @sudden death

    The lowest TFR in the US is in Puerto Rico, which isn't known for being high income or high IQ.

    US abortion rates have already dropped considerably since the 1970s.

    The Obamacare free birth control was almost certainly a leading cause of declining teen births in the 2010s.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Abortion is legal and almost unlimited in Puerto Rico and rates were similar to US blacks, above twenty, so it is not surprising TFR being low. It would have meaning only if abortion was unavailable and rates remained low, but not in current situation.

    If overall abortion rates in US dropped considerably, so why all this conservative ado about nothing?

    Overall abortion rates also are quite meaningless, need to look into rates by race in order to have prediction of future banning impact.

    And the impact will be such that there will be much more offspring from most poor and impulsive population (mostly black in US) which is not even mentally capable to avoid unwanted pregnancies by contraception/birth control thanx to nobody, but self owning conservatives.

  469. @A123
    @songbird

    There are huge differences between plants:

    -- Breed for current Agriculture & Distribution Chains
    -- Wild/Heirloom strains

    Some of the Ag breeding is undeniably favorable (e.g. disease resistance). However, other choices are made for commercial viability. Appearance "shelf appeal" is prioritized over flavour. Durability to survive distribution is required.

    I suspect there are heirloom peach trees that would produce less fruit per season, but remain productive longer.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    I sometimes get sick of the store-bought varieties of apples.

    Amazing how many heritage apples there are said to be. You’d think that a place like New England would have more varieties available in the supermarkets, as they don’t need long haul.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird

    Large chain supermarkets like large contracts with large growers. This tends to lock out small suppliers that have only seasonal offerings, such as heritage fruit.

    The solution to your pear problem may be swapping over to Asian Pear trees. American Pears are geared to grocery store distribution. I cannot vouch for this personally, but I have heard that you can eat Asian Pears directly from the branch.

    https://gardenerspath.com/plants/fruit-trees/best-asian-pears/

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  470. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack

    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West, including Alzheimer-in-chief, could even dream of. Response: temper tantrums in the West.

    It’s exactly like the story of Severodonetsk. Not too long ago the Ukie clown-in-chief proclaimed that the fate of Donbass will be decided by the battle of Severodonetsk. A few days ago Ukies acknowledged that the remainder of Ukie troops in Severodonetsk was told to abandon the city. I guess the fate of Donbass is sealed.

    There is nothing new here: Aesop’s fable about sour grapes is more than 2,000 years old. The meaning of the expression “sour grapes” is obvious to everyone even today.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yea, Western “leaders” are childishly envious of the level of Putin’s support in Russia. This “autocrat” has higher support of the population of his country than any “democratic leader” in the West,

    Professor, you seem to have completely missed the meaning of this political cartoon. Take a look at it again, underneath a microscope if you must. Nobody in the West is envious of Putler’s popularity if it comes as a result of his dubious and malicious control of the country. Underneath the veneer of “democracy” everything is perfectly calibrated so that Putler always comes out on top. You haven’t noticed the number of journalists and opposing politicians that have met their untimely deaths in Russia? No, I suspect that you haven’t, judging by your inability to discern the true meaning of this simple cartoon.

  471. @AP
    @AnonfromTN


    In the parts of Donbass Ukraine controlled after 2014 Ukie troops behaved like brutal occupiers. Older people who remember WWII say they behaved worse than the Nazis in 1941-43.
     
    This is what the survivors of Russian occupation in areas outside Kiev say.

    Kharkiv has been destroyed more by the Russians than it had been destroyed by the Germans.

    Overall, since 2014 Ukies killed more than 13,000 Donbass civilians
     
    A well-known fake number, you get your information form propaganda.

    Here is the UN report:

    https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-related%20civilian%20casualties%20as%20of%2031%20December%202021%20%28rev%2027%20January%202022%29%20corr%20EN_0.pdf

    It is over 13,000 total deaths, including military.

    About 10,000 of thos killd were soldiers. Over 3,000 were civlians.

    From the UN report:

    During the entire conflict period, from 14 April 2014 to 31 December 2021, OHCHR recorded a
    total of 3,106 conflict-related civilian deaths (1,852 men, 1,072 women, 102 boys, 50 girls, and 30 adults whose sex is unknown). Taking into account the 298 deaths on board Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 on 17 July 2014, the total death toll of the conflict on civilians has reached at least 3,404

    ::::::::::::::

    So about 3,200 civilians (not including the ones on the Malaysian plane) were killed in Donbas, not 13,000.

    Furthermore, almost all of those killings occurred in 2014-2015. In 2021, only 25 civilians were killed. Of those, only 7 were killed during hostilities. The largest number were killed by mines.

    A typical mid-size Russian city has more homicides every year, than the number of civilians killed by military actions in Donbas in 2021. How many people in Donbas were killed by this invasion, in comparison to the 25 killed in 2021? Putin is doing what Ukrainian nationalists never did - mass kill and clear out the Donbas.

    ::::::::::::

    When America invaded Iraq it used as an excuse the gassing of Kurds by Saddam - which happened years before the American invasion. Similarly, the the thousands civilians killed in Donbas occurred years before the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

    (of course the gassing of Kurds and the killed civilians in Donbas war are not the same, much of the latter involved collateral damage from fighting)

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I truly feel sorry for you and your mother regarding this sad story. Just think though, had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas, none of this would have happened. It's a sad but true observation that many innocent people get harmed during a war. Better to not have started one in the first place.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    , @AP
    @AnonfromTN

    So based on that you find it acceptable to shell Kiev and Kharkiv?

    What is the difference between you and a Chechen terrorist who, based on the devastation of Grozny supports bombings in Moscow?

    Your kind are even worse. Russians did much more destruction to Grozny than Kiev did to Donbas, and Moscow is killing far more Ukrainian civilians than Chechen terrorists killed Russian ones.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    I did not live there for 40+ years,
     
    That would make it about 1982 that you left Donbas for the US. How did you manage that, even before the Soviet Union fell apart? There was barely a trickle of Poles that were making the move at that time.
    , @AnonfromTN
    @AnonfromTN


    Better to not have started one in the first place.
     
    So why did Ukraine start it in 2014?. ‘Cause only hopeless ignoramuses believe that the war started in 2022. It started in 2014, and it was started by the Kiev regime. May they all rot in hell!
  472. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    As Dizzy Dean said, it aint bragging if you're good. Among other things, you post an idiotic cartoon under the guise that it's clever. In turn, I counter by factually noting how stupid it is.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You might appeal to the “dizzy” crowd out there, but to anybody with any brains they can quickly see through your kremlin stooge song and dance routine. Pathetic!

    • Troll: Mikhail
  473. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    I truly feel sorry for you and your mother regarding this sad story. Just think though, had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas, none of this would have happened. It’s a sad but true observation that many innocent people get harmed during a war. Better to not have started one in the first place.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Mr. Hack

    https://www.mylionking.com/fan/art/Artists/Farren/Art/lulz.jpg

    , @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas
     
    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years? It must be the Russian personality, time is of no importance. Or - more likely - what you say is not true.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014. They didn't have to do it. Kiev started this war, now you are crying because they are losing.

    Replies: @AP

  474. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @A123

    I sometimes get sick of the store-bought varieties of apples.

    Amazing how many heritage apples there are said to be. You'd think that a place like New England would have more varieties available in the supermarkets, as they don't need long haul.

    Replies: @A123

    Large chain supermarkets like large contracts with large growers. This tends to lock out small suppliers that have only seasonal offerings, such as heritage fruit.

    The solution to your pear problem may be swapping over to Asian Pear trees. American Pears are geared to grocery store distribution. I cannot vouch for this personally, but I have heard that you can eat Asian Pears directly from the branch.

    https://gardenerspath.com/plants/fruit-trees/best-asian-pears/

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    Large chain supermarkets like large contracts with large growers.
     
    I know one family-owned operation that sells their apples (store varieties), but it must be through intermediaries, and possibly only for processing. Did not ask details.


    I have heard that you can eat Asian Pears directly from the branch.
     
    Believe my problem might be that it is one of the old, cold hardy trees. Supposedly, known for being mealy and unpalatable and meant more for canning. Exactly one time, I cut one up and had it with ice cream and thought it was delicious - all other times, it has been "Blah!"

    Have a cherry tree that is kind of similar. You'd never eat the cherries without some kind of processing.

    My current horticultural interests run more towards nuts (most specifically blight-resistant American chestnut), and domesticated varieties of raspberries, but I need to do more research in these areas.
  475. @AP
    @Beckow


    My dad was a ‘professional’ and we lived substantially better than the working class. This idea that everybody was ‘equally poor‘ is a caricature based on not knowing how it worked.
     
    The differences were so small that for a Westerner it looked about the same. Or course, people used to such small differences might have motived them more.

    I visited Portugal in 2019 and it was poorer than Prague in 1989 – visibly poorer, run down with very poor people and miserable infrastructure.
     
    The problem is that you have a well-established record of lying all the time. Other posters do not. So when Verymuchalive states:

    "I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.
     
    He is more believable than you when you contradict him. And others such as Dmitry reinforce those perceptions. And of course data such as GDP per capita support the perceptions that others have (but you don't like data either).

    I have not been to Czechoslovakia but I visited Ukraine in 1990, back when it wasn't much poorer than Visegrad. The poverty was one of the strongest impressions.

    I can name you dozens of places in both Western Europe and Americas that are the same: poorer than Czecho-Slovakia of the late 1980’s.
     
    I'm sure you can lie about many places.

    In reality, you would have to find some really marginal ghettos to find places that were poorer. And even then it might be illusory - you might find that those poor people have more automobiles and televisions than did the not-poor Czechs of 1989, they just live in dirty and messy places because that's the kind of dysfunctional it takes for people in the West to manage to live materially like 1989 Warsaw Pact socialists.

    Yes, people worked less and that made them happier. Time is money, free time is very valuable and not ever worrying about your ‘boss’ is even more valuable.
     
    In most western counties you can choose unemployment, the government will provide you with housing and some spending money. No bosses to worry about. Plenty of free time. You can recreate the world of Warsaw Pact socialism in the 1980s in your personal life.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Miro23

    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.

    I visited Poland (Krakow) from Spain in the mid 1980’s and I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary. Everyone quite friendly but little money, small old noisy cars and rundown buildings.

    Spain was better, but only within about 20 years. In the 1960’s it was equally rough, run down, no money with a real lack of consumer goods.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Miro23

    Thank you. So 1980s Poland was about as bad as 1960s Spain. Not a ringing endorsement of Warsaw Pact socialism - living in the 1980s like poor Spaniards did back in the 1960s.

    , @Beckow
    @Miro23


    ...I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary
     
    It wasn't. Poland was much poorer in real terms and getting even poorer in the 80's with all the strikes and commotion.

    Villagers had a saying: "dogs go to bark in Poland, and to eat in Czechia". It wasn't even close, Poles were even kept for a while from traveling to Czecho-Slovakia because they were trying to buy up everything via barter. These remote speculations and extrapolations are uninformed.

    I recall seeing old Polish cars with open trunks and very shifty looking Poles trying to sell an old bicycle or some bricks. Usually police showed up and they were escorted out. Yeah, the commie oppression at its best.

    Now Ukies are starting to do it: selling berries and pieces of wood and tracking anything they can back to Ukraine. One thing they never mention is how much they admire Zelko and how they want to fight the evil Russians to death. But maybe they are just too busy.
  476. AP says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    So based on that you find it acceptable to shell Kiev and Kharkiv?

    What is the difference between you and a Chechen terrorist who, based on the devastation of Grozny supports bombings in Moscow?

    Your kind are even worse. Russians did much more destruction to Grozny than Kiev did to Donbas, and Moscow is killing far more Ukrainian civilians than Chechen terrorists killed Russian ones.

  477. @Verymuchalive
    @German_reader

    My views are the result of direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s. I never went to East Germany, but a friend went there in the mid-80s on a study tour. On his return, he said that the thing that struck him was that many households - the ones he saw - didn't even have a fridge. An anecdote, I know, but consistent with what I had learned in Hungary.

    I suspect Beckow is under 40. Perhaps he wasn't even born in the 1980s. He didn't contradict me on this. I'm not going to reply to him. Reasoning with loonies is a waste of time, especially when it contradicts your first hand experience as an adult., never mind any reliable economic history of the period.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @Beckow

    ….direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s.

    Traveling is not a direct experience, only living simewhere is. The friend stories are suspicious: people like to put drama in their narratives. You seem stuck on “fridges”, most people in the 80’s had one. Some didn’t as was the case in Spain or even UK. Fridges and dryers were not something many considered essential – almost all food was fresh. You confuse different lifestyles with poverty. We think that the American custom of manufacturing stale food and storing it for a long time is unhealthy and one can see it in the way Americans look now.

    I recall the 80’s, and it simply wasn’t the way Westerners are told it was. Like most societies it had issues and was often boring, but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure – we could travel to the West – Westerners are lied to that we couldn’t. Soviets were somewhere, but they were invisible, not different from American soldiers in Germany or Italy. We learned English in school, had easy access to Western music, movies, etc… Nobody harassed us about politics, if anything by the mid-80’s it was socially very unpopular to have pro-commie views, they were on a defensive.

    Economic history is based on numbers to measure things that cannot always be measured – e.g. US has a huge financial sector that makes no sense in other societies, it made absolutely no sense in socialist countries where a lot of stuff was free (too much in my view). The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure – we could travel to the West
     
    Now you are going to claim that the iron curtain and Berlin Wall were myths?

    My aunt and uncle visited from Ukraine in the early 1980s. They were not allowed to bring their school-aged children, for fear they would not return if they left as a family.* The Soviet bloc was so wonderful that it kept hostages.

    They were amazed at the prosperity. We drove past an auto factory with a parking lot full of large American cars. My uncle's first thought was that it couldn't be true that every worker could have such cars (far superior than anything a regular Soviet could drive, and easily obtained without having to wait for it forever), and that the cars were set up on the parking lot just for show.

    Such was the cynicism that comes from living in a land of lies, Beckow's spiritual homeland.


    The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult
     
    So GDP figures showing relative poverty don't count, and personal observations showing relative poverty don't count either. Only Beckow's lies count.

    We get it, you were only kind of poor, but it wasn't bad because you were less poor than your parents. And because you could do a shitty job at work or be lazy, and the boss couldn't do anything about it. So you have a society of calm shabbiness, parks with grass up to the knees (workers taking it easy, maybe drinking on the job), surly waiters because you've interrupted their gossiping by your presence (so much less fake than Western smiles), with bad food because the kitchen staff can't be bothered to put pride into their work and they can't be fired anyways, substandard products of all kinds, dirty hospitals (housekeeping staff have the right to take it easy, too), bland cretinism, etc.

    "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work" as an organizing economic principle.

    Not bad I admit, compared to the Stalinist nightmare that preceded it. But rather pathetic for normal people.

    *IIRC but am not 100% sure, they only let out people who had ties at home, that would reduce the likelihood of not returning

  478. @Miro23
    @AP


    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.
     
    I visited Poland (Krakow) from Spain in the mid 1980's and I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary. Everyone quite friendly but little money, small old noisy cars and rundown buildings.

    Spain was better, but only within about 20 years. In the 1960's it was equally rough, run down, no money with a real lack of consumer goods.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    Thank you. So 1980s Poland was about as bad as 1960s Spain. Not a ringing endorsement of Warsaw Pact socialism – living in the 1980s like poor Spaniards did back in the 1960s.

  479. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows.

    Objective fact is you have no idea whose shell it was, you just want believe it was Ukrainian shell, but it was impossible to know for sure for ordinary people when dealing with artillery. In theory it can be known, but only having the data of counterbattery radar.

    Valery Bolotov, which at the time was the separatist head of Lugansk, himself confirmed city area was being shelled by different separatist fractions too at the time:

    — Известно, что Игорь Плотницкий командовал батальоном «Заря», в Луганске ходят слухи, что именно этот батальон устраивал провокации и обстреливал Луганск летом 2014-го. Это так?

    — Да. И не только «Заря». Сюда было заслано много людей, которые должны были совершать диверсии и разлагать дисциплину. А в «Заре» оказался самый большой процент этих «диверсантов».

    Я в свое время отдал приказ Плотницкому собрать батальон для защиты правопорядка в городе, участия в боевых действиях и защиты границ ЛНР. Однако, как оказалось, батальон «работал» для другого. Я пытался, но у меня не было времени, ресурсов и возможности, чтобы все время находиться рядом и контролировать набор людей. Я доверился Плотницкому, и он сформировал батальон «для себя». Эти люди выполняли приказы Плотницкого, а не мои.

    https://www.rosbalt.ru/world/2016/12/08/1574039.html

  480. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    It is complex
     
    There's nothing complex about you being wrong and obstinately refusing to admit it.

    Sorry, get a book.
     
    Maybe you could recommend one?

    Eastern front?

     

    Yeah, a few. But by now they would have been dead anyway, it's been 80 years after all.
    And I'm not keen on repeating it. Russia's going too far in Ukraine though, a reaction was unavoidable.

    Replies: @Beckow

    I said: the British policy was to direct Nazi Germany eastward.

    You called that wrong. Well, check the British and German archives: it is directly there. Munich was not an accident or a one-off, it was the British policy (and French) until 1939-40: “Go East, young Nazis!!!”

    Russia’s going too far in Ukraine, a reaction was unavoidable.

    True. But the following is also true: Nato went too far in Ukraine, a reaction was unavoidable. When things go too far there is a war. Escalation to a war is a ladder, step by step, Nato and Kiev did most of the early steps. To focus on only 2/24/2022 is both one-sided and won’t work. A few more steps and we may have to repeat something like what you (and I) lost our relatives to.

  481. @Sean
    @Beckow


    . If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.
     
    If Russia again offered the deal that Poroshenko and Azov made Zelenesky back out off in 2019, he would bite their hand off.

    Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war – or a threat of war – on Russia.
     
    The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change and no one can know whether, why, or when. Russia was never going to agree to be bound hand and foot.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The West had no intention of attacking Russia, but intentions can change

    We have no way of knowing. There is not a single, monolithic West: some have the intention, some don’t, some can be persuaded, some would attack only if it was easy. Most will lie about it, as they probably should – it is statecraft. Placing the bases in Ukraine would make that option more likely. In a few years, maybe decades, who knows. US would never allow benign Russian or Chinese bases in Quebec. This is actually very elementary, it is just that so many in the West have lost their minds.

    If Russia offers the same Minsk deal – a big if – Zelensky should take it. If the foaming-in-the-mouth Ukie nationalists don’t like it, Zelko should pull the army out and tell them to fight by themselves. My guess is that Porky would be out of there and in Florida before Zelko would finish the sentence. They could then scuba-dive together.

  482. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    I did not live there for 40+ years,

    That would make it about 1982 that you left Donbas for the US. How did you manage that, even before the Soviet Union fell apart? There was barely a trickle of Poles that were making the move at that time.

  483. @Miro23
    @AP


    “I visited Hungary in the early 1980s as an adult. The difference between Austria and Hungary was stark. Austria was much like Germany, but Hungary was much poorer, like photos I had seen of late 1940s Europe.
    I had been to Spain and Portugal as well, by then, and they were markedly more affluent than Hungary.
     
    I visited Poland (Krakow) from Spain in the mid 1980's and I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary. Everyone quite friendly but little money, small old noisy cars and rundown buildings.

    Spain was better, but only within about 20 years. In the 1960's it was equally rough, run down, no money with a real lack of consumer goods.

    Replies: @AP, @Beckow

    …I imagine that Poland was about the same as Hungary

    It wasn’t. Poland was much poorer in real terms and getting even poorer in the 80’s with all the strikes and commotion.

    Villagers had a saying: “dogs go to bark in Poland, and to eat in Czechia“. It wasn’t even close, Poles were even kept for a while from traveling to Czecho-Slovakia because they were trying to buy up everything via barter. These remote speculations and extrapolations are uninformed.

    I recall seeing old Polish cars with open trunks and very shifty looking Poles trying to sell an old bicycle or some bricks. Usually police showed up and they were escorted out. Yeah, the commie oppression at its best.

    Now Ukies are starting to do it: selling berries and pieces of wood and tracking anything they can back to Ukraine. One thing they never mention is how much they admire Zelko and how they want to fight the evil Russians to death. But maybe they are just too busy.

  484. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I truly feel sorry for you and your mother regarding this sad story. Just think though, had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas, none of this would have happened. It's a sad but true observation that many innocent people get harmed during a war. Better to not have started one in the first place.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

  485. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    I truly feel sorry for you and your mother regarding this sad story. Just think though, had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas, none of this would have happened. It's a sad but true observation that many innocent people get harmed during a war. Better to not have started one in the first place.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Beckow

    …had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas

    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years? It must be the Russian personality, time is of no importance. Or – more likely – what you say is not true.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014. They didn’t have to do it. Kiev started this war, now you are crying because they are losing.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years?
     
    Who said they abandoned it for 8 years? They got the war going, and continued to send supplies and volunteers as necessary in order to prevent Ukraine from establishing control within its own territory.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014.
     
    It became a civil war with thousands dead because Russian soldiers and volunteers were in Ukraine. Otherwise it would have been a civil disturbance with at most a few dozen dozen dead.

    They didn’t have to do it
     
    A state has the right to use force to maintain control within its own boundaries. A state doesn't have the right to move its troops and operatives into other states, as Russia did in 2014 Ukraine.

    Russia chose to send its people into Ukraine in 2014, the deaths of 3,100 civilians 2014-2021 (rather than a few dozen, as would have been the case otherwise) was the result of Russia's actions in a another country.
  486. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...had the Kremlin not designed and fomented the war in Donbas
     
    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years? It must be the Russian personality, time is of no importance. Or - more likely - what you say is not true.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014. They didn't have to do it. Kiev started this war, now you are crying because they are losing.

    Replies: @AP

    They designed the war and then abandoned it for 8 years?

    Who said they abandoned it for 8 years? They got the war going, and continued to send supplies and volunteers as necessary in order to prevent Ukraine from establishing control within its own territory.

    The bombing of Donbas civilians was started by the post-Maidan government in Kiev in 2014.

    It became a civil war with thousands dead because Russian soldiers and volunteers were in Ukraine. Otherwise it would have been a civil disturbance with at most a few dozen dozen dead.

    They didn’t have to do it

    A state has the right to use force to maintain control within its own boundaries. A state doesn’t have the right to move its troops and operatives into other states, as Russia did in 2014 Ukraine.

    Russia chose to send its people into Ukraine in 2014, the deaths of 3,100 civilians 2014-2021 (rather than a few dozen, as would have been the case otherwise) was the result of Russia’s actions in a another country.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  487. @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon

    In original Hebrew and Kabbalah, "Z" means to "weapons of war", "to arm".
    https://hebrewtoday.com/alphabet/the-letter-zine-%D7%96/

    "The root meaning of the Hebrew letter Z is interesting in itself. While it means a “sword “or “sharp weapon,” as explained above, the meaning of the word is also connected to food and sustenance...Some scholars say that the meaning behind this is that while pointless bloodshed is certainly not the ideal, we sometimes must fight in order to defend our lives and our way of life."

    So, a conspiracy theory of the occult meaning of the "Z", is consistent, with the meaning of the symbol to represent the "special military operation".

    Zhirinovsky's Palindrome Day of when he said last year, the bombing of Kiev will begin, "22, 02, 2022" would be important in Kabbalah.

    There 22 Hebrew letters. 22 lines on the Tree of Life in Kabbalah. Anyone who is schizophrenic enough here, you can probably find something there
    https://allaboutheaven.org/symbols/hebrew-alphabet-the/123

    https://twitter.com/IBeitynsh/status/1495492096740020226


    "Z" can also refer to "zombie", like in "World War Z".
    Whether you want to believe "creative" conspiracy theories of a satanist astrological numerologists, or not, there is definitely some attempts at "zombification"..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_LREwjwVno

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    From the artile you referenced –

    The original meaning of the letter Zayin is a “sword” or “sharp weapon,” with the word “lezayen” coming to mean “to arm” in the Modern Hebrew language. However, please note – the word in slang and common talk has come to mean a really not nice word – so please do not use it!

    You said you had friends in Israel, so ask them what the word Zayin means, and if they have ever heard that its original meaning is “sword or sharp weapon.”

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Dick&op=translate
    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Fuck&op=translate

    You can click on the sound speaker to hear how it sounds.

    The truth is in Kabbalah it’s all about sex. Fallic allegories vaginal allegories etc. But they aren’t telling this to the general public. The same as they aren’t telling that the first name of their God, Shaddai, is translated as the Lord of Demons.

    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=ru&tl=en&text=%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%B2&op=translate

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    they have ever heard that its original meaning is “sword or sharp weapon.”
     
    I don't support the conspiracy theory, but for the entertainment purposes, we can claim there is alignment.

    Astroturfing suddenly of "Z" has a feeling of creepy, occult conspiracy theory. You're attempting to excuse from this, by talking about slang of recent decades of contemporary Israel, based on the word "weapon" or "sword". Where "sword" became slang for penis. But this is not the meaning the "Z" has for the religious occultists, who follow the original meaning from centuries of history, which is weapon and war. https://digitaloccultlibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/occult-languages-and-alphabets/

    "Z" in the Kabbalah, refers to weapons and war, which creates a consistent conspiracy theory for the "World War Z".


    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

     

    Why are your using only three of the military identifying symbols letters to create your anagram, but there are also Ф, А, X, △. These are IFF ("friend or foe") marking.

    https://i.imgur.com/CQqbEtg.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/iA7aojk.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/B7pDOEW.jpg

    Of all the symbols, the "Z" has been astroturfed as the symbol of the special military operation and this is a Kremlin decision

    Nobody understands why they astroturf "Z" as the symbol of war, except the government official who has decided to astroturf it.

    This will be a decision of some officials, but I wonder who in particular.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  488. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive


    ....direct experience of countries like Hungary, Spain and Portugal in the early and mid-1980s.
     
    Traveling is not a direct experience, only living simewhere is. The friend stories are suspicious: people like to put drama in their narratives. You seem stuck on "fridges", most people in the 80's had one. Some didn't as was the case in Spain or even UK. Fridges and dryers were not something many considered essential - almost all food was fresh. You confuse different lifestyles with poverty. We think that the American custom of manufacturing stale food and storing it for a long time is unhealthy and one can see it in the way Americans look now.

    I recall the 80's, and it simply wasn't the way Westerners are told it was. Like most societies it had issues and was often boring, but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure - we could travel to the West - Westerners are lied to that we couldn't. Soviets were somewhere, but they were invisible, not different from American soldiers in Germany or Italy. We learned English in school, had easy access to Western music, movies, etc... Nobody harassed us about politics, if anything by the mid-80's it was socially very unpopular to have pro-commie views, they were on a defensive.

    Economic history is based on numbers to measure things that cannot always be measured - e.g. US has a huge financial sector that makes no sense in other societies, it made absolutely no sense in socialist countries where a lot of stuff was free (too much in my view). The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult.

    Replies: @AP

    but life was prosperous, easy, non-political, secure – we could travel to the West

    Now you are going to claim that the iron curtain and Berlin Wall were myths?

    My aunt and uncle visited from Ukraine in the early 1980s. They were not allowed to bring their school-aged children, for fear they would not return if they left as a family.* The Soviet bloc was so wonderful that it kept hostages.

    They were amazed at the prosperity. We drove past an auto factory with a parking lot full of large American cars. My uncle’s first thought was that it couldn’t be true that every worker could have such cars (far superior than anything a regular Soviet could drive, and easily obtained without having to wait for it forever), and that the cars were set up on the parking lot just for show.

    Such was the cynicism that comes from living in a land of lies, Beckow’s spiritual homeland.

    The shallow observations you shared with us are unbecoming of an adult

    So GDP figures showing relative poverty don’t count, and personal observations showing relative poverty don’t count either. Only Beckow’s lies count.

    We get it, you were only kind of poor, but it wasn’t bad because you were less poor than your parents. And because you could do a shitty job at work or be lazy, and the boss couldn’t do anything about it. So you have a society of calm shabbiness, parks with grass up to the knees (workers taking it easy, maybe drinking on the job), surly waiters because you’ve interrupted their gossiping by your presence (so much less fake than Western smiles), with bad food because the kitchen staff can’t be bothered to put pride into their work and they can’t be fired anyways, substandard products of all kinds, dirty hospitals (housekeeping staff have the right to take it easy, too), bland cretinism, etc.

    “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work” as an organizing economic principle.

    Not bad I admit, compared to the Stalinist nightmare that preceded it. But rather pathetic for normal people.

    *IIRC but am not 100% sure, they only let out people who had ties at home, that would reduce the likelihood of not returning

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  489. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    From the artile you referenced –


    The original meaning of the letter Zayin is a “sword” or “sharp weapon,” with the word “lezayen” coming to mean “to arm” in the Modern Hebrew language. However, please note – the word in slang and common talk has come to mean a really not nice word – so please do not use it!
     
    You said you had friends in Israel, so ask them what the word Zayin means, and if they have ever heard that its original meaning is "sword or sharp weapon."

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Dick&op=translate
    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=auto&tl=iw&text=Fuck&op=translate

    You can click on the sound speaker to hear how it sounds.

    The truth is in Kabbalah it's all about sex. Fallic allegories vaginal allegories etc. But they aren't telling this to the general public. The same as they aren't telling that the first name of their God, Shaddai, is translated as the Lord of Demons.

    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

    https://translate.google.de/?hl=en&tab=rT&sl=ru&tl=en&text=%D0%97%D0%BE%D0%B2&op=translate

    Replies: @Dmitry

    they have ever heard that its original meaning is “sword or sharp weapon.”

    I don’t support the conspiracy theory, but for the entertainment purposes, we can claim there is alignment.

    Astroturfing suddenly of “Z” has a feeling of creepy, occult conspiracy theory. You’re attempting to excuse from this, by talking about slang of recent decades of contemporary Israel, based on the word “weapon” or “sword”. Where “sword” became slang for penis. But this is not the meaning the “Z” has for the religious occultists, who follow the original meaning from centuries of history, which is weapon and war. https://digitaloccultlibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/occult-languages-and-alphabets/

    “Z” in the Kabbalah, refers to weapons and war, which creates a consistent conspiracy theory for the “World War Z”.

    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

    Why are your using only three of the military identifying symbols letters to create your anagram, but there are also Ф, А, X, △. These are IFF (“friend or foe”) marking.
    https://i.imgur.com/iA7aojk.jpg

    Of all the symbols, the “Z” has been astroturfed as the symbol of the special military operation and this is a Kremlin decision

    Nobody understands why they astroturf “Z” as the symbol of war, except the government official who has decided to astroturf it.

    This will be a decision of some officials, but I wonder who in particular.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    The photo is obviously a photoshop. A lot of people like doing this kind of things, and then post it to be disussed, but in truth the Rusians use three letters – Z,O,V.


    You’re attempting to excuse from this, by talking about slang of recent decades of contemporary Israel, based on the word “weapon” or “sword”. Where “sword” became slang for penis.
     
    No, it's the same word in Hebrew and it isn't slang.

    But this is not the meaning the “Z” has for the religious occultists, who follow the original meaning from centuries of history, which is weapon and war.
     
    You are confusing Kabbalah with the Western esoteric tradition.

    “Z” in the Kabbalah, refers to weapons and war, which creates a consistent conspiracy theory for the “World War Z”.
     
    Z is not in Kabbalah, there are the Hebrew letters and the Hebrew language alone Kabbalah is interested in. The Hebrew language is considered a sacred language that angels can understand.

    The names and meanings of the letters nave however has nothing to do with Kabbalah, it's the same as in other languages, like in Russian, where the letter "а" has a name – азъ, and it eans "I" or the letter "п" is peace – покой.

    So if we want to go this route that's a lot more likely that the Russians would use their own meanings, rather than that of some Western fools wearing aprons, and in this case, the letter "z" – in Russian "з" – is land, земля.
  490. @Beckow
    @Dmitry

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn't. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don't want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us - and we were much better off than you - to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not - you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad - we had stuff you didn't have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn't - or you don't believe it - well, I can't help that.

    We were not "Soviets", we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don't now try to "be like us" - you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about "Ukraine in Visegrad". You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    You were poor and you

    I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately, although I have more than enough knowledge of it, from its ruins. My family has been actually more economically comfortable than average and has some luck (although not in every way, as everyone suffers the low public investment in capitalism). My point is that today the description of the West being “poorer” than we expect, is not matching contemporary experience of 21st century, or my experience. My impressions have been more like “cornucopia” in the West as I live there, so I see a lot of the Western economy with my own eyes.

    we had stuff you didn’t have.

    In the Soviet Union, there was also access to all kinds of stuff. My parents know more about 1980s Western music and culture, than much of the 1980s people who were living in the West in the 1980s.

    Don’t now try to “be like us” – you were not, we had very different lives.

    Lol ok, you are proud of the Czech Republic. Perhaps you are really “superior European”, not some poor-asses. I don’t disagree. Czech Republic is one of the relatively developed and civilized regions of the world.

    Although maybe there are not only differences in the developed socialism of central Europeans as I see some similarities .. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel%C3%A1k

    I think the reason for the greater happiness compared to today, is probably not so different, than in the Soviet Union – it’s the higher level of equality and public investment during the developed socialism.

    like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about “Ukraine in Visegrad”. You seem to share this shallow idea

    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country (unfortunately, unnecessarily, and sadly, now this year also a tragic warzone).

    But this doesn’t mean they can’t be in the EU, and probably would not develop economically in such a context. Afterall, there are countries as undeveloped and corrupt like Romania and Bulgaria have been accepted as member states of the EU. If Romania is in the EU, then probably Ukraine can be.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    That's interesting – my last comment below was exactly about a comparison of living conditions in the West and in the Socialist countries in the late 70's, and there are a lot of photos of these neighborhoods, except that in my comment they are all from the same period and in the West as well.

    They look pretty similar everywhere.

    , @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately
     
    You show a strong opinion about 'what it was like' for someone wha had no real experience with life there. You also seconded AP's deranged nonsense - that is an unforgivable sin! You had absolutely zero experience of life in Czech-Slovakia or Hungary, so all this talk of "ruins" and "no fridges" is a hollow projection based on what you absorbed from the Western propaganda.

    'Here Be Dragon' summarized it well: for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time. There were also some very old cars and run-down buildings in Vienna in the late 80's. And already a few migrants.

    You compare the West at its best with suburban bliss of the last few decades to E Europe of your imagination and fear, based on very piece-meal and shallow descriptions of people with agendas. Or people who wanted to make it more interesting, so they embellished.

    It simply doesn't ring true - I remember what it was like, good and bad, lazy lifestyles, occasional bananas, women teachers making stupid displays from slogans and begging us - literally - to show up for some meeting, or to come to the May 1st march. There would be an unlimited ice-cream they said, we still didn't bother. And absolutely nothing ever happened to us. How is that for a "totalitarian nightmare"? The truth is that in the last few decades of socialism the crazy stuff, the devoted pandering to the authorities, was done by the career oriented opportunists - nobody was forcing anybody to do it. It was even in that way very similar to the West - just look around.

    Westerners are incapable of seeing it: the fog of propaganda and conformism is too thick.


    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country
     
    Small correction: Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991. What it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU to tolerate its oligarchs and nutty nationalism, so that won't happen. It is too angry to make up with Russia. Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up, or it will disintegrate. They had a chance and they blew it.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Dmitry

  491. Mind you that Odessa’s mayor has openly expressed disagreement with the anti-Russian PC cancel culture activity favored by the Kiev regime, while stridently opposing the Russian government’s February 24 military action.

    Instances like the below aforementioned and failure to legally punish those responsible for the Odessa massacre of pro-Russian activists put the mayor’s position in a bit of a quagmire.

    Meantime, the Kiev regime continues to fight on with disastrous results, increasing the likelihood of losing more territory.

    I’ll once again note what I said back in early April about how the Kiev regime’s popularity can sink on account of it not pursuing a different option (a neutral status for Ukraine and implementation of the Minsk Protocol) that would’ve led to less destruction and loss of territory.

    In turn, Putin can be increasingly seen as the leader who for years had peacefully sought reasonable objectives.

    https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1540884229139345408

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    In turn, Putin can be increasingly seen as the leader who for years had peacefully sought reasonable objectives.
     
    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. :-)

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn't at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I'll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I've become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I'm becoming more used to its charming sound. It's a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do....

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

  492. I guess this video below probably explains why the level of wealth is low in Germany (relative to France or UK). Because of the lower proportion of the population has ownership of property.

    There was the far lower household wealth in Germany and Austria, than France or UK, according to Credit Suisse.
    And there the video discussion about the lower ownership of property in this country, with attribution to the cultural reasons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1D3oaqicBs.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    There was the far lower household wealth in Germany and Austria, than France or UK, according to Credit Suisse.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/xGgNYPF.jpg

    There is effect in the UK and France of higher property ownership, combined with high property prices.

    But Switzerland, Austria and Germany, have lower property ownership, combined with high property prices. As a result, the wealth level is lower in Austria and Germany. It's nice to own to property in those countries, but almost half the population is paying rent.

    https://i.imgur.com/miPmUlA.png

    Replies: @A123, @Verymuchalive

  493. @Beckow
    @LatW

    You didn't answer my question: "is this better?"

    You are worse than a broken record, you repeat projections that cannot be validated. If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn't Kiev call their bluff? They would be in much stronger position now.

    The stuff about "fraternizing border guards" is nonsense - it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its "autonomous" regions, it has been done many times. You just wait for the right time, buy people, manipulate - as long as it is a single country it can be fixed.

    But this is not about the "autonomy", is it? This is about what you so strenuously deny: Nato bases in Ukraine and a staging space for a potential war - or a threat of war - on Russia. You can't say that because it wouldn't sell well, so you blabber incoherent nonsense about why Donbas autonomy was this or that, how Russia "didn't mean it", and something about border guards shacking up with each other. In any case, all of that is theoretical now - let's see who wins the war.

    Replies: @Sean, @LatW

    You didn’t answer my question: “is this better?”

    The question was posed in a somewhat dubious way – you’re assuming that it’s somehow ok that a much larger country meddles in another countries domestic affairs (and meddles violently) and then if it can’t get its way, starts mass murdering the smaller country’s citizens and raizing their cities. You’re kind of just shrugging it off saying “Oh, that’s just life. Your choice”. Well, if you are ok accepting barbarism, then that works. So if hypothetically, 3M Hungarians moved to Slovakia and started bossing Slovaks around and if they didn’t submit, they’d start beating them up, we’d just say “Oh, that’s just life, buddy. Just accept and get used to it.” That’s just very primitive.

    [MORE]

    If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff?

    They did countless times, over and over. Arestovych was saying for months, if not years, that Donbass is needed as a means for Russia to control Ukraine externally.

    The stuff about “fraternizing border guards” is nonsense – it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its “autonomous” regions,

    Please, stop being duplicitous — the moment Kyiv were to start “asserting control” over Donbas, the likes of you would start screeching about overreach. Kyiv did have plans of trying to re-integrate Donbas, but this was a huge task that could only begin once they could get it back. Their plans mostly included being accepting towards the people whom they considered “our people”, not some kind of intended punitive operation that the Russian press was accusing them of.

    And, no, the part about the border guards, people in power positions, especially with interior ministry like functions, is very important. Crucial even. Would you put those who are hostile towards your nation and who were recently shooting at your children in charge of a regional power? Especially if they are loyal to a hostile neighbor? They would have to go through a long process of selecting who is trustworthy or not, this could be done, but Ukraine wasn’t even given a chance to do that.

    This is also a rather big region to be assimilated back. As I said, currently and before the war it was not at all comparable to a normal European autonomous region (the likes of which you constantly use as examples that they should strive to emulate). For example, the Faroe Islands do not object to the Danish dominion. Their representatives are together with the Danish representatives at the Nordic Council and are very friendly to everyone in the region, it would be a long way before that were the case with Donbas (but may have been achieved eventually). Plus, there is usually no larger country with an agenda behind the autonomous region in the European examples, but here we have Russia.

    Well, let me pose a question, too — if Russia only cared about Donbas (and the “Russian speakers’ rights” there), then why start a full scale war on the whole of Ukraine? Why not just annex Donbas? Fill it up with weapons and troops. If you’re saying that Russia was worried about the expansion of NATO (and here I will agree that this is definitely a factor, although it’s not just NATO, Russia was worried about losing an important buffer in general, they were not ok with the current establishment, regardless of NATO aspirations), and then if the West wants to ever , as in some hypothetical distant future as there were no immediate intentions to do that, use the territory of Ukraine to launch an attack on Russia, then Russia could easily use both the Donbas area, Crimea, Belarus as well as Kaliningrad (and possibly some points in the Arctic region) to pre-empt this attack. Would this not be sufficient? Indeed, this would be more than plenty. Assuming they have enough advanced weaponry. We do see now that they’re not performing as strikingly as was expected, but they are making slow progress, so most likely they would be able to pre-empt a hypothetical (and not very likely) attack from the West from the positions described above.

    Think back to the ultimatum, the ultimatum was totally real (and quite scary actually). Their plan must have been to first issue the ultimatum – “NATO, please, pick up your belongings and get out of Eastern Europe (including the Warsaw Pact states)”. Back to 1997 (lol, after all the investments that have been made, people have moved on). Remember how they demanded a written response in 72 hours. Then, if no response, they will start the military operation, expecting that Ukraine would quickly fold, they would take Kyiv, perform a military parade on Khreshchatyk (they had packed ceremonial uniforms with them during the Kyiv offensive) and then from that powerful position, they would threaten further. At that point, they could tell NATO to get the hell out or else we will go further. They were counting on NATO folding as well. This plan didn’t work, so the plan B now is a slow and brutal elimination of Ukraine.

    How would your president feel if one day the Russians came to her and said “Hey, pretty Suzanna, Slovakia needs to leave NATO asap. Forget all those investments of 15 years, in fact, we’ll be able to use them eventually, time to close that party and also we will decide how many active troops you’re allowed to have in your country.” How would she like that and would she even take that seriously?

    Anyway, yes, this is all water under the bridge, but it’s important to understand Russia’s motivation and be honest about it.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    We don't know anyone's motivation, we can only guess. Motives also change over time. I prefer to look at what happens: there is as much likelihood that Nato was planning to turn Ukraine into a large military base threatening Russia as there is that Russia wanted to re-absorb all of Ukraine. Maybe, but we really have no way of knowing.


    3M Hungarians moved to Slovakia and started bossing Slovaks
     
    But that is not what happened in eastern-southern Ukraine: Russians (and others) have lived there since late 18th century, it is their home with their own language, culture, preferences for allies (unsurprisingly Mother Russia). They also didn't boss anyone around, they won a few elections, lost some, they never demanded that the Ukrainian language be banned.

    You can't make a fake 'analogy' and proceed from it. This is a completely different situation and the Minsk compromise was the best available solution. But it would mean that Nato couldn't immediately expand so they vetoed it, and the hapless Ukies went along. Now it will be decided by a war and most likely the Russian side will get more. Was that worth it? The dream of Nato bases that you refuse to address?

    Any central gment can over time water down local autonomy. They have the financial, career, administrative means to do it. It takes time, but Kiev could have - and most likely would have - slowly scaled back Donbas autonomy. You can always buy the local politicians. You insistence that it was't possible is disingenuous - of course Kiev would be in a position to it.

    It would take time, maybe even a new generation growing up. And lots of money. The fact that they chose not to do it tells us that others made the decision for them: others who really wanted Nato in Ukraine and immediately, even if it meant triggering a war. The war started in 2014, it could have ended with a compromise. Instead we have this bloody sh..t going on...

    Replies: @LatW

  494. @Dmitry
    I guess this video below probably explains why the level of wealth is low in Germany (relative to France or UK). Because of the lower proportion of the population has ownership of property.

    There was the far lower household wealth in Germany and Austria, than France or UK, according to Credit Suisse.
    https://i.imgur.com/EOWT95K.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/EOWT95K.jpg

    And there the video discussion about the lower ownership of property in this country, with attribution to the cultural reasons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1D3oaqicBs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    There was the far lower household wealth in Germany and Austria, than France or UK, according to Credit Suisse.

    There is effect in the UK and France of higher property ownership, combined with high property prices.

    But Switzerland, Austria and Germany, have lower property ownership, combined with high property prices. As a result, the wealth level is lower in Austria and Germany. It’s nice to own to property in those countries, but almost half the population is paying rent.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry

    "Home Ownership" is a terrible statistic. GW Bush and his thousand points of light over emphasized the concept. A solid dwelling can leave one ahead. A faddish, oversized McMansion has no upside potential.

    Yes. Germany and France are on a trajectory to becoming sh!th*ole countries. However, "Home Ownership" is a distant lagging indicator. The "religion" of immigrants and their progeny is a direct indicator to future outcomes: (1)


    The rate of Muslim first names [in France] for newborns could actually be as high as 25 percent

    As Remix News previously reported, urban areas are seeing the fastest growth in demographic replacement, with non-Europeans rapidly displacing people of European origin. Ethnic statistics are not available in France, so researchers must look into factors like how many people are born with Muslim names to determine demographic trends. French authorities also publish how many people were born abroad along with their children (first- and second-generation immigrants).
     
    The problem is both obvious & non-racial. The survival of Christian Europe requires de-Islamification .

    There is No Other Way

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/article/20-of-all-babies-born-in-france-given-muslim-first-names-in-2021/

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    , @Verymuchalive
    @Dmitry

    A high percentage of East European properties are post-War, high-rise, reinforced concrete flats. Nearly all of them were built by the State and rented by it to tenants. After the end of Communism , they were sold at low prices to the sitting tenants or even given away.They literally are brutalist slurry. Places like Moscow have several thousand of them dotted all over the city.

    There is a serious problem with this method of construction. These buildings have a life expectancy of 50 to 100 years. However, given the low construction standards of the time and later, 50 to 60 years is more realistic, especially in Eastern Europe. Many don’t even last that long.
    https://theconversation.com/the-problem-with-reinforced-concrete-56078

    In Britain, Right-to-Buy legislation enabled many tenants to buy Council (State ) housing. Nearly all the older, more durable properties were purchased thereby. Getting rid of the newer, high rise concrete blocks was much more difficult. Purchase prices were low – they reflected the life expectancy of the building ( let’s say, 20-30 years ), not full construction costs. Even so, few bought.

    A high percentage ( > 50% ) of these high-rises have since been knocked down, many of them less than the 50 years old. One case I know, the building was less than 30 years old. They were not only substandard in construction, but many had serious heating and damp problems, too. Their replacements were in costlier, more durable construction types.

    So, Eastern Europe has a lot of homeowners in seriously substandard properties like the above, which would have been demolished in the West decades ago. Later this century – sooner rather than later – these will have to be replaced. If they are replaced with more durable construction types – brick. steel framed buildings etc – this will be costly. Only the affluent will be able to purchase such properties. Many will be let to tenants, instead. If, however, they are replaced with more of the same, then the full cost of construction will be factored into the purchase price or rent.

    Regardless of any other factors, this means that the percentage of home owners in the population of these countries will diminish rapidly over this century, likely to levels now seen in Western Europe.
    Brutalist slurry does not have a solid market value, as these people will find out.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

  495. @Verymuchalive
    If we really are serious, we would have to relate contributions and subsidies to GDP PPP per capita of the individual state. Prima facie, Bulgaria gets a very raw deal. It is the poorest state, and gets much less than Estonia, Latvia and Greece, for example.
    Then we have the problem of state indebtedness.

    You say
    Notice also that Portugal and Greece received more in per capita terms.

    In 2021, Greek National Debt was 194%, Portugal's 127% and Poland's 54%. It would be innumerate of you not to mention this. In the case of Greece and Portugal, any excess per capita subsidies over Poland's levels are surely more than compensated by debt repayments to German and French bankers. A sort of financial revolving doors.

    You say:
    In my opinion, the true success story of EE was Estonia.

    Estonia has a small - some would say tiny - population, 1.3 million, and low population density - about 80/square mile. It is low lying and has large areas suitable for forestry and agriculture ( and cheap housing ).
    It has also had heavy investment from Sweden and Finland - at least comparable to German investment in the Czech Republic on a per capita basis. Given the small size of the Estonian economy, heavy foreign investment will have a much greater effect.
    https://helsinki.mfa.ee/en/estonia-and-finland/economic-relations/

    Finland has been one of the two biggest investors in the Estonian economy during the entire period of Estonian independence (in second place after Sweden). According to the Bank of Estonia, in 2017 22% of the total amount of direct investment to Estonia came from Finland, totaling 4.3 billion euros. The greatest investment has been in the real estate sector (29%), manufacturing (25%), wholesale and retail trade (13%).

    Real estate sector ( 29% )

    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW

    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!

    I would agree that real estate looks overinflated in Estonia (and btw, those holiday homes are purchased not just by Swedes, but also Latvians and Lithuanians (a family friend of mine has a nice house on the Saaremaa island), as well as up to now, by Russians. Russians love Baltic real estate in general.

    However, Estonia has a decent level of productivity per capita, as well as high HDI (at least in the top 30 in the world). It’s up there with the Czech Republic on many metrics.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @LatW

    Thanks for your informative reply.

    However, Estonia has a decent level of productivity per capita, as well as high HDI (at least in the top 30 in the world). It’s up there with the Czech Republic on many metrics.

    As I said previously, Estonia is a small country which has seen very heavy Swedish and Finnish investment in particular.

  496. @AnonfromTN
    @AP

    Sorry to disappoint, but the opinions of the people living in Donbass are based on reality, not on Ukie propaganda.

    I did not live there for 40+ years, and even I have a score to settle with Kiev regime. In 2014 Ukie bomb hit the school in Lugansk I went to. Then Ukie shell hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school. Because of Ukie shelling the house where my mother had an apartment lost power, then phone connection, then natural gas, and finally water. Ukie shell exploded next to that multi-apartment building and broke her windows. I had to evacuate her, so at the age of 89 she became a war refugee. Before that she had only one experience of the kind: as a teenager she was hiding from German Nazis in 1943.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    Better to not have started one in the first place.

    So why did Ukraine start it in 2014?. ‘Cause only hopeless ignoramuses believe that the war started in 2022. It started in 2014, and it was started by the Kiev regime. May they all rot in hell!

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  497. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    he is most likely predominantly Slav, and has a deep and authentic Russian soul.
     
    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko's Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language. Bashi was of course sympathetic to Ukrainians and I think really saw himself as an East Slav. He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler's war in Ukraine. He was quite deep intellectually and I miss our discussions very much. I wish he would return and give us more of his take on what's going on. His unique opinions would delve much further beneath the surface of most topics.

    Replies: @LatW

    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko’s Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language.

    Must be where the eloquence came from. 🙂 It seems he was anti-imperialist but he was not a pushover. He had quite a balanced combination of nationalism and a decent level of tolerance towards Russia’s neighbors, which is a rare combo.

    He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler’s war in Ukraine.

    I think he hates both Putler and the Western side. This is crushing for everyone who cares about the Slavic people. If he had been in charge, there would be no war most likely.

    Who knows, maybe not all hope is lost and someone like him could come to power in Russia.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    Btw, Hack, remember that Bashi indirectly warned us about the war about a year ago. When Navalny ran that video about Putin's palace, Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn't, it will be a huge sign of weakness. So Putin retaliated very harshly (he dealt a huge blow to the Russian liberals, or even anyone hoping for some kind of a civil society or a real anti-war movement to arise). In gopnik culture, a patsan (strongman in this case) has to show strength and can't back down, otherwise it's the end of his status. This may have been one of the steps that consolidated Putin's strength further and that emboldened him to start a war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  498. Fresh Donbass joke.
    Ukie jurno asks Lisichansk resident:
    – How would you feel if the Russians take Lisichansk?
    – I am gonna celebrate.
    – You will celebrate if the Russians take Lisichansk?
    – Not if. When.

  499. @Beckow
    @Dmitry

    Look, you are a post-Soviet, I am not. I have no experience of the old Soviet space, for us it may as well be Mongolia or Kazakhstan. You were poor and you went with open eyes to the West, we didn't. By the way, Soviets also did that when coming to Visegrad.

    Why do you throw in your post-Soviet experiences into this? I don't want to be impolite, but if you were so poor and backward why did you use to come to us - and we were much better off than you - to advise on how we should run our affairs?

    For us seeing large parts of the West is neither new nor shocking. We were able to travel to the West before 1989, you were not - you used to come to Czecho-Slovakia and Hungary and shop like mad - we had stuff you didn't have. For us seeing the West was routine. We saw and still see its poor areas, its problems, the way people really live there. We lived comparably well and if you didn't - or you don't believe it - well, I can't help that.

    We were not "Soviets", we were ourselves, maybe controlled by you, but in day-to-day lives you were almost invisible. Don't now try to "be like us" - you were not, we had very different lives. It is like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about "Ukraine in Visegrad". You seem to share this shallow idea with the Americans. And unfortunately a few other bad ideas too.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    Perhaps my opinion and experience may be of use in this argument.

    There were different regions in the Socialist world. Czechoslovakia was not the same as Poland. Bulgaria was not the same as Hungary. The USSR was different from all of them. You shouldn’t put them on the same line.

    Below there are a lot of photos. And my commentaries.

    [MORE]
    They were very different. For example, in Czechoslovakia they were making excellent cars and motorcycles – on a par with the West. Here is Škoda Rapid (1984).

    These ars were not better, but not worse either than Seat or Volkswagen models of the same class. Here is 1980’s Jawa 350 bike – as good as any Japanese bike of that class in that time.

    Overall the assortment of good quality products might have been a little poorer than in the West, but in truth it didn’t matter that much. You could get a Czechoslovakian coupe, or a Russian Lada Niva crossover SUV. A great automobile.

    Lada Niva was selling well in the West and in Japan as well.

    So it wasn’t all that bad. Hungary was producing great city buses, Russia was making good trucks, and airplanes – very good ones, including the supersonic TU-144 liner.

    Speaking of the living conditions, most people really lived exactly the same as most people in the West did. Here is a typical East German house building, built in the late 70’s. It’s in Berlin, to be precise.

    Compare it to a typical house building in Munich, built in the same period. There’s no difference.

    Compare it to a typical house building in Prague, of the same period.

    Or compare it to a regular house building in Paris.

    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.

    Most people in the West live in the cities and not in the suburbs. Here is a regular living city neighborhood in Posen, Poland – built in the late 70’s.

    Compare it to a typical neighborhood in Munich, of the same period.

    And here below is a typical neighborhood in Moscow, built in the late 70’s.

    Compare it to a typical neighborhood in Berlin, circa the late 70’s.

    Here is a regular neighborhood in Amsterdam, of the same period.

    And here is Paris, a late 70’s or 80’s neighborhood.

    So what can be said in summary, the differene was that in the West people had a better choice of consumer goods – more cars, more clothes, more home eletronics. More food, but it was of lower quality. Better alcohol – we didn’t have whiskey and Cognac. However the Armenian brandy was excellent, and the Czechoslovakian beer was great, but it wasn’t available everywhere.

    Not every family could afford a car, at least in Russia it was about one out of ten families, that had a car. Perhaps someone can tell us how the situation was in other countries, probably better. Soviet Union was the poorest of the Warsaw Pact states, because it had to spend a lot on the restoration after the war. But really most countries in Eastern Europe had a comparable quality of life.

    Some countries actually lost rather than gained after the transition to capitalism. East Germany, for example – it was a developed country with high standards of living and education a clean and quiet country.

    Now Berlin is a dirty and crowded city with the highest rent prices in the entire Germany and at the same time there are 30 percent of immigrants. This is hardly an improvement in my humble opinion.

    Tell me what you think.

    • Agree: Beckow
    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.
     
    Wrong.

    Majority of ex-Yugoslavs, Hungarians, Norwegians, Danes, and Poles, live in detached individual houses.

    If you include semi-detached houses (townhomes) you can add Austrians, Finns, Swedes, French, Bulgarians, Benelux, Irish, Portuguese, and Brits.

    Townhouses are very popular in the UK and Netherlands:

    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/traditional-dutch-townhouses-amsterdam-houses-historic-city-famous-popular-tourist-destination-capital-netherlands-219924479.jpg

    Only a majority of Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Swiss, and post-Soviets live in those large apartment buildings.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/503301/share-of-population-living-in-houses-europe-eu-by-type/

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Wokechoke

  500. @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    He mostly identified himself as a Russian, although he confided to me here that one of his grandfathers was a fiery Ukrainian who liked to read Taras Shevchenko’s Kobzar, that is of course rife with anti Russian imperial language.
     
    Must be where the eloquence came from. :) It seems he was anti-imperialist but he was not a pushover. He had quite a balanced combination of nationalism and a decent level of tolerance towards Russia's neighbors, which is a rare combo.

    He despised Putler, and undoubtedly is feeling great anguish over Putler’s war in Ukraine.
     
    I think he hates both Putler and the Western side. This is crushing for everyone who cares about the Slavic people. If he had been in charge, there would be no war most likely.

    Who knows, maybe not all hope is lost and someone like him could come to power in Russia.

    Replies: @LatW

    Btw, Hack, remember that Bashi indirectly warned us about the war about a year ago. When Navalny ran that video about Putin’s palace, Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn’t, it will be a huge sign of weakness. So Putin retaliated very harshly (he dealt a huge blow to the Russian liberals, or even anyone hoping for some kind of a civil society or a real anti-war movement to arise). In gopnik culture, a patsan (strongman in this case) has to show strength and can’t back down, otherwise it’s the end of his status. This may have been one of the steps that consolidated Putin’s strength further and that emboldened him to start a war.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn’t, it will be a huge sign of weakness.
     
    I'm not quite putting all of the dots together. So how did Navalny's expose video about Putler's palace somehow force him to act as a strongman and create a huge war in Ukraine? Maybe only within Putler's Russia does 1+1=17?

    As far as Bashi's ideas about Russia (and maybe about Ukraine too), I remember him always going back to some kind of a "back to the family" (village?) scenario that would help to ensure in his mind the viability and the genetic structure of the Russian narod for future generations to thrive and exist. I think that he was opposed to further urbanization of society that he perceived as some kind of large machine that was destroying humanity, that Daniel Chieh seemed to be advocating. They would have these long discussions about this kind of stuff, and get extremely cross with one another, where to me it seemed that they were often just splitting hairs. Of course I could be wrong about this, for sometimes his ideas were not presented in a linear sort of way. He was extremely well read and was always ready to share information about good books or websites that he was interested in. He came back briefly during the last thread, maybe he'll favor us and come back once again?

    Replies: @sher singh, @LatW

  501. @A123
    @songbird

    Large chain supermarkets like large contracts with large growers. This tends to lock out small suppliers that have only seasonal offerings, such as heritage fruit.

    The solution to your pear problem may be swapping over to Asian Pear trees. American Pears are geared to grocery store distribution. I cannot vouch for this personally, but I have heard that you can eat Asian Pears directly from the branch.

    https://gardenerspath.com/plants/fruit-trees/best-asian-pears/

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Large chain supermarkets like large contracts with large growers.

    I know one family-owned operation that sells their apples (store varieties), but it must be through intermediaries, and possibly only for processing. Did not ask details.

    I have heard that you can eat Asian Pears directly from the branch.

    Believe my problem might be that it is one of the old, cold hardy trees. Supposedly, known for being mealy and unpalatable and meant more for canning. Exactly one time, I cut one up and had it with ice cream and thought it was delicious – all other times, it has been “Blah!”

    Have a cherry tree that is kind of similar. You’d never eat the cherries without some kind of processing.

    My current horticultural interests run more towards nuts (most specifically blight-resistant American chestnut), and domesticated varieties of raspberries, but I need to do more research in these areas.

  502. A123 says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    There was the far lower household wealth in Germany and Austria, than France or UK, according to Credit Suisse.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/xGgNYPF.jpg

    There is effect in the UK and France of higher property ownership, combined with high property prices.

    But Switzerland, Austria and Germany, have lower property ownership, combined with high property prices. As a result, the wealth level is lower in Austria and Germany. It's nice to own to property in those countries, but almost half the population is paying rent.

    https://i.imgur.com/miPmUlA.png

    Replies: @A123, @Verymuchalive

    “Home Ownership” is a terrible statistic. GW Bush and his thousand points of light over emphasized the concept. A solid dwelling can leave one ahead. A faddish, oversized McMansion has no upside potential.

    Yes. Germany and France are on a trajectory to becoming sh!th*ole countries. However, “Home Ownership” is a distant lagging indicator. The “religion” of immigrants and their progeny is a direct indicator to future outcomes: (1)

    The rate of Muslim first names [in France] for newborns could actually be as high as 25 percent

    As Remix News previously reported, urban areas are seeing the fastest growth in demographic replacement, with non-Europeans rapidly displacing people of European origin. Ethnic statistics are not available in France, so researchers must look into factors like how many people are born with Muslim names to determine demographic trends. French authorities also publish how many people were born abroad along with their children (first- and second-generation immigrants).

    The problem is both obvious & non-racial. The survival of Christian Europe requires de-Islamification .

    There is No Other Way

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/article/20-of-all-babies-born-in-france-given-muslim-first-names-in-2021/

    • Agree: Verymuchalive
    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    “Home Ownership” is a terrible statistic. GW Bush and his thousand points of light over emphasized the concept. A solid dwelling can leave one ahead.

    Giving mortgates to groups ( eg low income blacks ) who cannot pay back is a recipe for disaster. It creates debt that can never be repayed and bankrupts the lender. Bush and sub-prime lending certainly spring to mind.
    See my reply #590 as to why high home ownership in Eastern Europe is a temporary phenomenon and will fall rapidly later this century to Western European levels or below. The main reason being that very many Eastern Europeans do not live in a solid dwelling !

    The problem is both obvious & non-racial. The survival of Christian Europe requires de-Islamification .

    Exactemente.
    Too many of the idiots on this website don't get it, unfortunately.

    Replies: @A123

  503. My knowledge of Cold War Prague is very frivolous. I know it only through the period film Amadeus (1984), and the music video for the INXS song Never Tear us Apart (1987), which curiously opens with a close up shot of a broken street lamp:

    [MORE]

    Said shot strikes me as very bizarre, as one would think that they would have made sure to repair the street lamp or else to confiscate the film.

    But the city still appears heartrendingly beautiful due to the lack of enrichment, so I am not wholly unsympathetic to revisionist claims about a higher standard of living than parts of Western Europe. (I know people who were in Paris >50 years ago, and they were noting with horror all the savages walking about.)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    If I were born into the Warsaw Pact, I think I would have liked to be born in East Germany, driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.https://youtu.be/U_zZeWpJ9Hg

    Of course, that is discounting the dark consequences of reunification.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  504. @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    You were poor and you
     
    I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately, although I have more than enough knowledge of it, from its ruins. My family has been actually more economically comfortable than average and has some luck (although not in every way, as everyone suffers the low public investment in capitalism). My point is that today the description of the West being "poorer" than we expect, is not matching contemporary experience of 21st century, or my experience. My impressions have been more like "cornucopia" in the West as I live there, so I see a lot of the Western economy with my own eyes.

    we had stuff you didn’t have.
     
    In the Soviet Union, there was also access to all kinds of stuff. My parents know more about 1980s Western music and culture, than much of the 1980s people who were living in the West in the 1980s.

    Don’t now try to “be like us” – you were not, we had very different lives.
     
    Lol ok, you are proud of the Czech Republic. Perhaps you are really "superior European", not some poor-asses. I don't disagree. Czech Republic is one of the relatively developed and civilized regions of the world.

    Although maybe there are not only differences in the developed socialism of central Europeans as I see some similarities .. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel%C3%A1k

    I think the reason for the greater happiness compared to today, is probably not so different, than in the Soviet Union - it's the higher level of equality and public investment during the developed socialism.


    like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about “Ukraine in Visegrad”. You seem to share this shallow idea
     
    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country (unfortunately, unnecessarily, and sadly, now this year also a tragic warzone).

    But this doesn't mean they can't be in the EU, and probably would not develop economically in such a context. Afterall, there are countries as undeveloped and corrupt like Romania and Bulgaria have been accepted as member states of the EU. If Romania is in the EU, then probably Ukraine can be.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    That’s interesting – my last comment below was exactly about a comparison of living conditions in the West and in the Socialist countries in the late 70’s, and there are a lot of photos of these neighborhoods, except that in my comment they are all from the same period and in the West as well.

    They look pretty similar everywhere.

  505. @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    they have ever heard that its original meaning is “sword or sharp weapon.”
     
    I don't support the conspiracy theory, but for the entertainment purposes, we can claim there is alignment.

    Astroturfing suddenly of "Z" has a feeling of creepy, occult conspiracy theory. You're attempting to excuse from this, by talking about slang of recent decades of contemporary Israel, based on the word "weapon" or "sword". Where "sword" became slang for penis. But this is not the meaning the "Z" has for the religious occultists, who follow the original meaning from centuries of history, which is weapon and war. https://digitaloccultlibrary.commons.gc.cuny.edu/occult-languages-and-alphabets/

    "Z" in the Kabbalah, refers to weapons and war, which creates a consistent conspiracy theory for the "World War Z".


    As for the Russians using the letters Z, O, and V you are supposed to understand what that means.

     

    Why are your using only three of the military identifying symbols letters to create your anagram, but there are also Ф, А, X, △. These are IFF ("friend or foe") marking.

    https://i.imgur.com/CQqbEtg.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/iA7aojk.jpg
    https://i.imgur.com/B7pDOEW.jpg

    Of all the symbols, the "Z" has been astroturfed as the symbol of the special military operation and this is a Kremlin decision

    Nobody understands why they astroturf "Z" as the symbol of war, except the government official who has decided to astroturf it.

    This will be a decision of some officials, but I wonder who in particular.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    The photo is obviously a photoshop. A lot of people like doing this kind of things, and then post it to be disussed, but in truth the Rusians use three letters – Z,O,V.

    You’re attempting to excuse from this, by talking about slang of recent decades of contemporary Israel, based on the word “weapon” or “sword”. Where “sword” became slang for penis.

    No, it’s the same word in Hebrew and it isn’t slang.

    But this is not the meaning the “Z” has for the religious occultists, who follow the original meaning from centuries of history, which is weapon and war.

    You are confusing Kabbalah with the Western esoteric tradition.

    “Z” in the Kabbalah, refers to weapons and war, which creates a consistent conspiracy theory for the “World War Z”.

    Z is not in Kabbalah, there are the Hebrew letters and the Hebrew language alone Kabbalah is interested in. The Hebrew language is considered a sacred language that angels can understand.

    The names and meanings of the letters nave however has nothing to do with Kabbalah, it’s the same as in other languages, like in Russian, where the letter “а” has a name – азъ, and it eans “I” or the letter “п” is peace – покой.

    So if we want to go this route that’s a lot more likely that the Russians would use their own meanings, rather than that of some Western fools wearing aprons, and in this case, the letter “z” – in Russian “з” – is land, земля.

  506. @songbird
    My knowledge of Cold War Prague is very frivolous. I know it only through the period film Amadeus (1984), and the music video for the INXS song Never Tear us Apart (1987), which curiously opens with a close up shot of a broken street lamp:
    https://youtu.be/AIBv2GEnXlc
    Said shot strikes me as very bizarre, as one would think that they would have made sure to repair the street lamp or else to confiscate the film.

    But the city still appears heartrendingly beautiful due to the lack of enrichment, so I am not wholly unsympathetic to revisionist claims about a higher standard of living than parts of Western Europe. (I know people who were in Paris >50 years ago, and they were noting with horror all the savages walking about.)

    Replies: @songbird

    If I were born into the Warsaw Pact, I think I would have liked to be born in East Germany, driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.

    [MORE]
    https://youtu.be/U_zZeWpJ9Hg

    Of course, that is discounting the dark consequences of reunification.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
     
    Sounds interesting, tell me more?...

    the dark consequences of reunification.
     
    Also, please tell me more?...

    Replies: @songbird

  507. To illustrate it even better here are the photos of the museum apartment in Berlin.

    Museumswohnung WBS 70 is a museum in a regular apartment building, preserving the atmosphere of a regular East German home.

    This is the interior of a very regular East German flat, where most people lived.

    This apartment is the same as a regular apartment in West Germany. Most German people are still living in this kind of apartments.

    [MORE]

    Big houses are for the rich alone, most people in the West don’t have them.

    The idea of the rich and prosperous capitalism is a postcard bullshit.

    And here is the building – the same as an average building in Hamburg or in Düsseldorf.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Big houses are for the rich alone, most people in the West don’t have them.
     
    Housing, rooms per person:

    https://cdn.mises.org/rooms.png

    In Europe, ex-Socialist countries along with Greeks are at the bottom.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  508. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow

    Perhaps my opinion and experience may be of use in this argument.

    There were different regions in the Socialist world. Czechoslovakia was not the same as Poland. Bulgaria was not the same as Hungary. The USSR was different from all of them. You shouldn't put them on the same line.

    Below there are a lot of photos. And my commentaries.

    https://i.postimg.cc/CxBbgZvc/Socialism.jpg

    They were very different. For example, in Czechoslovakia they were making excellent cars and motorcycles – on a par with the West. Here is Škoda Rapid (1984).

    https://i.postimg.cc/vT0631RW/Skoda-Rapid-1984.png

    These ars were not better, but not worse either than Seat or Volkswagen models of the same class. Here is 1980's Jawa 350 bike – as good as any Japanese bike of that class in that time.

    https://i.postimg.cc/NGXXX0P2/Jawa-350.jpg

    Overall the assortment of good quality products might have been a little poorer than in the West, but in truth it didn't matter that much. You could get a Czechoslovakian coupe, or a Russian Lada Niva crossover SUV. A great automobile.

    https://i.postimg.cc/brtPrWz4/Lada-Niva.jpg

    Lada Niva was selling well in the West and in Japan as well.

    So it wasn't all that bad. Hungary was producing great city buses, Russia was making good trucks, and airplanes – very good ones, including the supersonic TU-144 liner.

    Speaking of the living conditions, most people really lived exactly the same as most people in the West did. Here is a typical East German house building, built in the late 70's. It's in Berlin, to be precise.

    https://i.postimg.cc/P52GMY56/Berlin.jpg

    Compare it to a typical house building in Munich, built in the same period. There's no difference.

    https://i.postimg.cc/5yRYv6Fj/House-Building-in-Munich.jpg

    Compare it to a typical house building in Prague, of the same period.

    https://i.postimg.cc/50dLsPp1/Prague.jpg

    Or compare it to a regular house building in Paris.

    https://i.postimg.cc/Gt4YXZYM/Paris-House-Building.jpg

    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.

    Most people in the West live in the cities and not in the suburbs. Here is a regular living city neighborhood in Posen, Poland – built in the late 70's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/nVPC39Ch/Posen-Poland.jpg

    Compare it to a typical neighborhood in Munich, of the same period.

    https://i.postimg.cc/SN9NVZBg/Munich.jpg

    And here below is a typical neighborhood in Moscow, built in the late 70's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/9XR75B37/Moscow.jpg

    Compare it to a typical neighborhood in Berlin, circa the late 70's.

    https://i.postimg.cc/XJKtpCmc/Berlin-Neighborhood.jpg

    Here is a regular neighborhood in Amsterdam, of the same period.

    https://i.postimg.cc/PqF5SN4j/Amsterdam.jpg

    And here is Paris, a late 70's or 80's neighborhood.

    https://i.postimg.cc/zDhGkzHs/Paris.jpg

    So what can be said in summary, the differene was that in the West people had a better choice of consumer goods – more cars, more clothes, more home eletronics. More food, but it was of lower quality. Better alcohol – we didn't have whiskey and Cognac. However the Armenian brandy was excellent, and the Czechoslovakian beer was great, but it wasn't available everywhere.

    Not every family could afford a car, at least in Russia it was about one out of ten families, that had a car. Perhaps someone can tell us how the situation was in other countries, probably better. Soviet Union was the poorest of the Warsaw Pact states, because it had to spend a lot on the restoration after the war. But really most countries in Eastern Europe had a comparable quality of life.

    Some countries actually lost rather than gained after the transition to capitalism. East Germany, for example – it was a developed country with high standards of living and education a clean and quiet country.

    Now Berlin is a dirty and crowded city with the highest rent prices in the entire Germany and at the same time there are 30 percent of immigrants. This is hardly an improvement in my humble opinion.

    Tell me what you think.

    Replies: @AP

    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.

    Wrong.

    Majority of ex-Yugoslavs, Hungarians, Norwegians, Danes, and Poles, live in detached individual houses.

    If you include semi-detached houses (townhomes) you can add Austrians, Finns, Swedes, French, Bulgarians, Benelux, Irish, Portuguese, and Brits.

    Townhouses are very popular in the UK and Netherlands:

    Only a majority of Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Swiss, and post-Soviets live in those large apartment buildings.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/503301/share-of-population-living-in-houses-europe-eu-by-type/

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Detached individual houses are not better than condos per se. Most of these houses are not big, rather of the same size as a regular condo inside.

    These old townhomes on the photo go for a million dollar each at the least.

    A regular British townhouse doesn't look like that.

    https://i.postimg.cc/3RQMgGsc/A-regular-British-townhouse-01.jpg

    This is what it looks like. There's nothing good about it.

    https://i.postimg.cc/BbZVgBMM/A-regular-British-townhouse-02.jpg

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Wokechoke
    @AP

    housing design in the UK is quite horrid. Famously bad residential architecture for lower middle class people. I'm fonder of the dense 5 story apartments you see in Copenhagen.

  509. @LatW
    @LatW

    Btw, Hack, remember that Bashi indirectly warned us about the war about a year ago. When Navalny ran that video about Putin's palace, Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn't, it will be a huge sign of weakness. So Putin retaliated very harshly (he dealt a huge blow to the Russian liberals, or even anyone hoping for some kind of a civil society or a real anti-war movement to arise). In gopnik culture, a patsan (strongman in this case) has to show strength and can't back down, otherwise it's the end of his status. This may have been one of the steps that consolidated Putin's strength further and that emboldened him to start a war.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn’t, it will be a huge sign of weakness.

    I’m not quite putting all of the dots together. So how did Navalny’s expose video about Putler’s palace somehow force him to act as a strongman and create a huge war in Ukraine? Maybe only within Putler’s Russia does 1+1=17?

    As far as Bashi’s ideas about Russia (and maybe about Ukraine too), I remember him always going back to some kind of a “back to the family” (village?) scenario that would help to ensure in his mind the viability and the genetic structure of the Russian narod for future generations to thrive and exist. I think that he was opposed to further urbanization of society that he perceived as some kind of large machine that was destroying humanity, that Daniel Chieh seemed to be advocating. They would have these long discussions about this kind of stuff, and get extremely cross with one another, where to me it seemed that they were often just splitting hairs. Of course I could be wrong about this, for sometimes his ideas were not presented in a linear sort of way. He was extremely well read and was always ready to share information about good books or websites that he was interested in. He came back briefly during the last thread, maybe he’ll favor us and come back once again?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    I'll summarize it thus:

    The traditional Aryan society is based around the clan whereby kinship based political units hold self-sovereignty.

    The last 1000 years of Slavic history including christendom have been a move away from this.

    The razing of the ancestral cults, the concept of divine absolute monarchy & absolute equality under the nation state are all attacks on this ancient sub-system. Caste, if you will.

    Bashi & Bakshi both agree with the Khalsa, but are just less militant.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahajanapadas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(political_model)

    , @LatW
    @Mr. Hack


    So how did Navalny’s expose video about Putler’s palace somehow force him to act as a strongman and create a huge war in Ukraine?
     
    Well, he cleared out the last remnants of anyone who could object. Navalny would probably be on his channel talking about it frequently. Most of the Russian population support the invasion, but even if 10-20% were fluctuating or not supporting it, then that voice would be out there, even as a minority voice. Above all, Putin showed that he will not tolerate any political competition (he started with Russian nationalists and finished with Navalny, then in the end closed the Dozhd channel). Not that he had any real competition, it just untied his hands completely.


    Since this war began, especially in the east, I’ve become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc
     
    You know, what's funny is that the same thing happened to me. Just seeing these brave Eastern Ukrainians fight so selflessly and go through such hardships, being so innocent, made me really warm up to them and to the Russian language (even though I already liked it a lot). It is so pleasant to see someone who speaks Russian who doesn't hate you. And what's more, it made me way more tolerant of the Orthodox Church (I had always viewed the Orthodox Church with some distance, as something alien, but these people just really made me open my heart and become more accepting of it).
  510. @Here Be Dragon
    To illustrate it even better here are the photos of the museum apartment in Berlin.

    Museumswohnung WBS 70 is a museum in a regular apartment building, preserving the atmosphere of a regular East German home.

    This is the interior of a very regular East German flat, where most people lived.

    https://i.postimg.cc/kXYfcBX7/GDR-apartment-1.jpg

    This apartment is the same as a regular apartment in West Germany. Most German people are still living in this kind of apartments.


    https://i.postimg.cc/rsFNGLBd/GDR-apartment-2.jpg

    Big houses are for the rich alone, most people in the West don't have them.

    https://i.postimg.cc/mgMCHDPX/GDR-apartment-3.jpg

    The idea of the rich and prosperous capitalism is a postcard bullshit.

    https://i.postimg.cc/4d89gH0d/GDR-apartment-4.jpg

    And here is the building – the same as an average building in Hamburg or in Düsseldorf.

    https://i.postimg.cc/v8ch35DD/GDR-apartment-5.jpg

    Replies: @AP

    Big houses are for the rich alone, most people in the West don’t have them.

    Housing, rooms per person:

    In Europe, ex-Socialist countries along with Greeks are at the bottom.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Can we see the article?

    It looks unrealistic. Most people in Germany have one room per person plus one.

    Replies: @AP

  511. @songbird
    @songbird

    If I were born into the Warsaw Pact, I think I would have liked to be born in East Germany, driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.https://youtu.be/U_zZeWpJ9Hg

    Of course, that is discounting the dark consequences of reunification.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.

    Sounds interesting, tell me more?…

    the dark consequences of reunification.

    Also, please tell me more?…

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    >driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
    >Sounds interesting, tell me more?…
     
    Curious exotica - afraid I don't know much more than the video. I adduce it mainly as very circumstantial evidence that East Germany had the highest standard of living in the Eastern Bloc. Mentioned once before that they had the highest meat consumption.

    The Pioneers were something like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, only by the end of communism, 98% of Ossie children were members. (though I guess the tanks were for just for a small, elite group of them) They were really tied into the schools, and not joining them may have been bad for your career prospects. Don't know a great deal about them, but reading the wiki about them is quite interesting. In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Pioneer_Organisation

    The engine for the "tanks" evidently came from the Trabant which was the famous, jalopy of East Germany, the rough equivalent of the Yugo of Yugoslavia. It had a two-stage engine sort of like a lawnmower or chainsaw.


    >the dark consequences of reunification.
    Also, please tell me more?…
     
    Of the whole former Warsaw Pact, East Germany easily has the worst demographics from a nationalist perspective, the greatest percentage of non-Euros are living there. They were moved there by the federal government, probably in large measure, to fight homogeneity. I think I have expressed my feelings before on the trajectory of Germany, and many other places in Europe.

    There were negative aspects to living in East Germany, but still, in the longterm, I think it was a system that was moderating. East Germans I have talked to who grew up there mostly had neutral to weakly positive views of it.

    In the long term, I suspect that West Germany, now the federal republic, has the more sinister form of government. It already has a lot of tangible parallels with the East. Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing. Security state: the state apparatus acknowledges that they spy on dissent, and it is not uncommon for people to be brought before the police, for saying things or being suspected of saying them. (they may not have paper files as big as the Stazi did, but what if you counted digital info, automatically recorded?) There are definitely parallels to employment - if you go against the state narrative, it affects your prospects.

    The new Germany has existential problems (what else could an honest look at trends say?), but they are not even allowed to articulate them. I doubt East Germans would have been so enthused about reunification, if they had understood the future of Germany.

    https://youtu.be/cJ2Sgd9sc0M

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

  512. @Mikhail
    Mind you that Odessa's mayor has openly expressed disagreement with the anti-Russian PC cancel culture activity favored by the Kiev regime, while stridently opposing the Russian government's February 24 military action.

    Instances like the below aforementioned and failure to legally punish those responsible for the Odessa massacre of pro-Russian activists put the mayor's position in a bit of a quagmire.

    Meantime, the Kiev regime continues to fight on with disastrous results, increasing the likelihood of losing more territory.

    I'll once again note what I said back in early April about how the Kiev regime's popularity can sink on account of it not pursuing a different option (a neutral status for Ukraine and implementation of the Minsk Protocol) that would've led to less destruction and loss of territory.

    In turn, Putin can be increasingly seen as the leader who for years had peacefully sought reasonable objectives.

    https://twitter.com/elenaevdokimov7/status/1540884229139345408

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    In turn, Putin can be increasingly seen as the leader who for years had peacefully sought reasonable objectives.

    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. 🙂

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn’t at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I’ve become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I’m becoming more used to its charming sound. It’s a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do….

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Back to the cartoon by that mestizo bozo, it just wasn't funny. It was a sad, conformist pay-to-order junk. The basic thing about satire is that it has to be primarily aimed at one's own shortcomings - attacking an enemy with a picture is not humor or satire, it is propaganda.

    If propaganda can make you this jolly, you have issues. And this jewel you gave us:


    Ukie soldiers...chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders
     
    When? Last time I checked Ukies were retreating and losing quite a few men in the process. Have you created a made-up world to not have to deal with reality?

    Maybe we can try again for the Mariupol beach condo, I have a great slogan: 'all rocks all the time, some seasonal mud, but you get to see a steel factory up close' - it is a steal, almost as good as Manhattan Beach with its refinery. Interested?

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. 🙂

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn’t at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I’ve become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I’m becoming more used to its charming sound. It’s a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do….
     
    Atrocities like the ones made up by Denisova for the purpose of trying to help the Kiev regime's cause. I'm aware that there're Russian speaking neo-Nazis doing the Kiev regime's dirty work which includes committing atrocities.

    Glad to keep you laughing.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  513. @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    You were poor and you
     
    I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately, although I have more than enough knowledge of it, from its ruins. My family has been actually more economically comfortable than average and has some luck (although not in every way, as everyone suffers the low public investment in capitalism). My point is that today the description of the West being "poorer" than we expect, is not matching contemporary experience of 21st century, or my experience. My impressions have been more like "cornucopia" in the West as I live there, so I see a lot of the Western economy with my own eyes.

    we had stuff you didn’t have.
     
    In the Soviet Union, there was also access to all kinds of stuff. My parents know more about 1980s Western music and culture, than much of the 1980s people who were living in the West in the 1980s.

    Don’t now try to “be like us” – you were not, we had very different lives.
     
    Lol ok, you are proud of the Czech Republic. Perhaps you are really "superior European", not some poor-asses. I don't disagree. Czech Republic is one of the relatively developed and civilized regions of the world.

    Although maybe there are not only differences in the developed socialism of central Europeans as I see some similarities .. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panel%C3%A1k

    I think the reason for the greater happiness compared to today, is probably not so different, than in the Soviet Union - it's the higher level of equality and public investment during the developed socialism.


    like the fool AP who keeps on hallucinating about “Ukraine in Visegrad”. You seem to share this shallow idea
     
    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country (unfortunately, unnecessarily, and sadly, now this year also a tragic warzone).

    But this doesn't mean they can't be in the EU, and probably would not develop economically in such a context. Afterall, there are countries as undeveloped and corrupt like Romania and Bulgaria have been accepted as member states of the EU. If Romania is in the EU, then probably Ukraine can be.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    …I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately

    You show a strong opinion about ‘what it was like‘ for someone wha had no real experience with life there. You also seconded AP’s deranged nonsense – that is an unforgivable sin! You had absolutely zero experience of life in Czech-Slovakia or Hungary, so all this talk of “ruins” and “no fridges” is a hollow projection based on what you absorbed from the Western propaganda.

    ‘Here Be Dragon’ summarized it well: for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time. There were also some very old cars and run-down buildings in Vienna in the late 80’s. And already a few migrants.

    You compare the West at its best with suburban bliss of the last few decades to E Europe of your imagination and fear, based on very piece-meal and shallow descriptions of people with agendas. Or people who wanted to make it more interesting, so they embellished.

    It simply doesn’t ring true – I remember what it was like, good and bad, lazy lifestyles, occasional bananas, women teachers making stupid displays from slogans and begging us – literally – to show up for some meeting, or to come to the May 1st march. There would be an unlimited ice-cream they said, we still didn’t bother. And absolutely nothing ever happened to us. How is that for a “totalitarian nightmare“? The truth is that in the last few decades of socialism the crazy stuff, the devoted pandering to the authorities, was done by the career oriented opportunists – nobody was forcing anybody to do it. It was even in that way very similar to the West – just look around.

    Westerners are incapable of seeing it: the fog of propaganda and conformism is too thick.

    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country

    Small correction: Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991. What it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU to tolerate its oligarchs and nutty nationalism, so that won’t happen. It is too angry to make up with Russia. Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up, or it will disintegrate. They had a chance and they blew it.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Beckow


    Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up...
     
    https://imagez.tmz.com/image/16/o/2022/03/09/163540974f804cf8b10a7b8474c83bf3_lg.jpg
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    When Lex Fridman interviewed his dad the old man said the undoing of the system could all be dated to the appearance of (contraband) Beatles records. Imagine the twitter NPC's haranguing you for listening to those badthought Beatles.

    No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Beckow

    , @AP
    @Beckow


    for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time
     
    Well, life was shorter:

    https://i.imgur.com/IQ2R1qn.png

    While in 1961 Czechs were living 1 year longer than Austrians, Germans and French, by 1980 their lives were 2 years shorter than those of the Austrians, 3 years shorter than German lives, and 4 years shorter than French lives.

    The life expectancy of Czechs in 1990 was the same as it had been in 1961. At this time, Czech lives were 4 years shorter than German lives, 5 years shorter than Austrian lives, and 6 years shorter than French lives.

    Czechoslovakia was the richest of the Warsaw pact states and richer than the USSR, but far behind the USA. By 1985, Czechs had less than 1/3 of phones per capita that Americans had (no data here for West Germany or Austria or France, but it was undoubtedly closer to USA than to the Warsaw Pact):

    https://i.imgur.com/XoZqL4Z.png

    (US infant mortality slightly lower than East Germany's due to America's black population)
    , @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    someone wha had no real experience
     
    I know what the life was like in Soviet times as my parents, grandparents, and everyone, has lived and breathed that. And the world I was born was simply the immediate moments after a political change.

    Meanwhile, you can tell us about being the representative from the posh Central European country where they can film Amadeus.


    You also seconded AP’s deranged nonsense – that is an unforgivable sin!

     

    I don't think anyone is following your arguments with AP, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here about "unforgivable sin". You and AP both promote views which sound like Soviet propaganda about a "decaying West

    For you, this has been an enjoyable opportunity, to claim Czechoslovakia was the "lost Atlantis" of central Europe, with free Budweiser pouring from the city fountains and Skoda growing from trees. While AP seems to believe postsoviet Kiev and Moscow, are a positive example to follow, like kitsch streets, conspicuous consumption derived from interregional parasitism, increasing inequality, and the decision centres of fratricidal violence, are a representation of historical progress that can be anything to celebrate losing the USSR for.


    so all this talk of “ruins” and “no fridges”
     
    When I write about ruins and fridges? I assume Czechs will not drink warm beer. I find it difficult to imagine how they would live without a fridge.

    people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe
     
    Maybe in Central Europe.

    I've been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression "this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil".

    But the life of developed socialism from 1960s-1980s, the standard of living for average people was a lot more convergent with the West than it was in the 19th century or the 21st century so far.


    that for a “totalitarian nightmare“?
     
    Well it can be exaggeration to say USSR was completely totalitarian, except perhaps in some repressions such as the late 1930s. But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn't only product of socialism.

    Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991.
     
    Ukraine was relatively more corrupt also in Soviet times.

    it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU
     
    Ukraine will improve if it can join the EU, as the postsoviet countries are too culturally or structurally weak to solve their problems (and these problems are very costly), they require external monitoring and a formal framework with rules they cannot cheat.

    Replies: @A123, @Here Be Dragon

  514. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    In turn, Putin can be increasingly seen as the leader who for years had peacefully sought reasonable objectives.
     
    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. :-)

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn't at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I'll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I've become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I'm becoming more used to its charming sound. It's a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do....

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    Back to the cartoon by that mestizo bozo, it just wasn’t funny. It was a sad, conformist pay-to-order junk. The basic thing about satire is that it has to be primarily aimed at one’s own shortcomings – attacking an enemy with a picture is not humor or satire, it is propaganda.

    If propaganda can make you this jolly, you have issues. And this jewel you gave us:

    Ukie soldiers…chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders

    When? Last time I checked Ukies were retreating and losing quite a few men in the process. Have you created a made-up world to not have to deal with reality?

    Maybe we can try again for the Mariupol beach condo, I have a great slogan: ‘all rocks all the time, some seasonal mud, but you get to see a steel factory up close‘ – it is a steal, almost as good as Manhattan Beach with its refinery. Interested?

  515. @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately
     
    You show a strong opinion about 'what it was like' for someone wha had no real experience with life there. You also seconded AP's deranged nonsense - that is an unforgivable sin! You had absolutely zero experience of life in Czech-Slovakia or Hungary, so all this talk of "ruins" and "no fridges" is a hollow projection based on what you absorbed from the Western propaganda.

    'Here Be Dragon' summarized it well: for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time. There were also some very old cars and run-down buildings in Vienna in the late 80's. And already a few migrants.

    You compare the West at its best with suburban bliss of the last few decades to E Europe of your imagination and fear, based on very piece-meal and shallow descriptions of people with agendas. Or people who wanted to make it more interesting, so they embellished.

    It simply doesn't ring true - I remember what it was like, good and bad, lazy lifestyles, occasional bananas, women teachers making stupid displays from slogans and begging us - literally - to show up for some meeting, or to come to the May 1st march. There would be an unlimited ice-cream they said, we still didn't bother. And absolutely nothing ever happened to us. How is that for a "totalitarian nightmare"? The truth is that in the last few decades of socialism the crazy stuff, the devoted pandering to the authorities, was done by the career oriented opportunists - nobody was forcing anybody to do it. It was even in that way very similar to the West - just look around.

    Westerners are incapable of seeing it: the fog of propaganda and conformism is too thick.


    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country
     
    Small correction: Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991. What it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU to tolerate its oligarchs and nutty nationalism, so that won't happen. It is too angry to make up with Russia. Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up, or it will disintegrate. They had a chance and they blew it.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Dmitry

    Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up…

  516. sher singh says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn’t, it will be a huge sign of weakness.
     
    I'm not quite putting all of the dots together. So how did Navalny's expose video about Putler's palace somehow force him to act as a strongman and create a huge war in Ukraine? Maybe only within Putler's Russia does 1+1=17?

    As far as Bashi's ideas about Russia (and maybe about Ukraine too), I remember him always going back to some kind of a "back to the family" (village?) scenario that would help to ensure in his mind the viability and the genetic structure of the Russian narod for future generations to thrive and exist. I think that he was opposed to further urbanization of society that he perceived as some kind of large machine that was destroying humanity, that Daniel Chieh seemed to be advocating. They would have these long discussions about this kind of stuff, and get extremely cross with one another, where to me it seemed that they were often just splitting hairs. Of course I could be wrong about this, for sometimes his ideas were not presented in a linear sort of way. He was extremely well read and was always ready to share information about good books or websites that he was interested in. He came back briefly during the last thread, maybe he'll favor us and come back once again?

    Replies: @sher singh, @LatW

    I’ll summarize it thus:

    The traditional Aryan society is based around the clan whereby kinship based political units hold self-sovereignty.

    The last 1000 years of Slavic history including christendom have been a move away from this.

    The razing of the ancestral cults, the concept of divine absolute monarchy & absolute equality under the nation state are all attacks on this ancient sub-system. Caste, if you will.

    Bashi & Bakshi both agree with the Khalsa, but are just less militant.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahajanapadas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala_(political_model)

  517. @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately
     
    You show a strong opinion about 'what it was like' for someone wha had no real experience with life there. You also seconded AP's deranged nonsense - that is an unforgivable sin! You had absolutely zero experience of life in Czech-Slovakia or Hungary, so all this talk of "ruins" and "no fridges" is a hollow projection based on what you absorbed from the Western propaganda.

    'Here Be Dragon' summarized it well: for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time. There were also some very old cars and run-down buildings in Vienna in the late 80's. And already a few migrants.

    You compare the West at its best with suburban bliss of the last few decades to E Europe of your imagination and fear, based on very piece-meal and shallow descriptions of people with agendas. Or people who wanted to make it more interesting, so they embellished.

    It simply doesn't ring true - I remember what it was like, good and bad, lazy lifestyles, occasional bananas, women teachers making stupid displays from slogans and begging us - literally - to show up for some meeting, or to come to the May 1st march. There would be an unlimited ice-cream they said, we still didn't bother. And absolutely nothing ever happened to us. How is that for a "totalitarian nightmare"? The truth is that in the last few decades of socialism the crazy stuff, the devoted pandering to the authorities, was done by the career oriented opportunists - nobody was forcing anybody to do it. It was even in that way very similar to the West - just look around.

    Westerners are incapable of seeing it: the fog of propaganda and conformism is too thick.


    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country
     
    Small correction: Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991. What it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU to tolerate its oligarchs and nutty nationalism, so that won't happen. It is too angry to make up with Russia. Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up, or it will disintegrate. They had a chance and they blew it.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Dmitry

    When Lex Fridman interviewed his dad the old man said the undoing of the system could all be dated to the appearance of (contraband) Beatles records. Imagine the twitter NPC’s haranguing you for listening to those badthought Beatles.

    No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The collapse of the USSR has been bad for R1A from Berlin to Bangladesh.
    TFR, socio-cultural dynamics & other social indicators lay this out precisely.

    Only Western cargo cultists delude themselves into thinking otherwise.
    The USSR of the 80s/90s WAS not that of Stalin. Cargo cultists are no different than blacks who act like being arrested for selling Crack to kids is like Jim Crow.

    At the same time, the decay of the old creates space for new growth.
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967104205535981658/989812543520395264/unknown.png

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    , @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.
     
    Because it wasn't. "Lex's" dad just tried to be profound and ingratiate himself to the Westerners. It is total nonsense. We not only listened to Beatles on radio, but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best). My parents have Beatles records from the 60's that were issued by the local music company Supraphon (I am not sure they paid royalties).

    There was no reason to "contraband", that's not the way it worked anyway: we taped the music from each other on Tesla (local) and Grundig (German) tape recorders to save money - as did many in the West for the same reason.

    I don't know about the Soviets, but what you wrote is another misunderstood myth about non-Soviet Eastern Europe. By the way, I saw a lengthy program about how Beatles records were burnt by some religious people in US (I think South, but not sure). How about that? Also a "trigger for revolution"? You live the false narratives that the Western Cold war propaganda stuffed in your mind.

    Replies: @LatW

  518. sher singh says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    When Lex Fridman interviewed his dad the old man said the undoing of the system could all be dated to the appearance of (contraband) Beatles records. Imagine the twitter NPC's haranguing you for listening to those badthought Beatles.

    No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Beckow

    The collapse of the USSR has been bad for R1A from Berlin to Bangladesh.
    TFR, socio-cultural dynamics & other social indicators lay this out precisely.

    Only Western cargo cultists delude themselves into thinking otherwise.
    The USSR of the 80s/90s WAS not that of Stalin. Cargo cultists are no different than blacks who act like being arrested for selling Crack to kids is like Jim Crow.

    At the same time, the decay of the old creates space for new growth.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  519. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Beckow

    When Lex Fridman interviewed his dad the old man said the undoing of the system could all be dated to the appearance of (contraband) Beatles records. Imagine the twitter NPC's haranguing you for listening to those badthought Beatles.

    No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Beckow

    …No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.

    Because it wasn’t. “Lex’s” dad just tried to be profound and ingratiate himself to the Westerners. It is total nonsense. We not only listened to Beatles on radio, but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best). My parents have Beatles records from the 60’s that were issued by the local music company Supraphon (I am not sure they paid royalties).

    There was no reason to “contraband”, that’s not the way it worked anyway: we taped the music from each other on Tesla (local) and Grundig (German) tape recorders to save money – as did many in the West for the same reason.

    I don’t know about the Soviets, but what you wrote is another misunderstood myth about non-Soviet Eastern Europe. By the way, I saw a lengthy program about how Beatles records were burnt by some religious people in US (I think South, but not sure). How about that? Also a “trigger for revolution”? You live the false narratives that the Western Cold war propaganda stuffed in your mind.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best)
     
    Afaik, very few of the best ones came. Probably one of the most famous events was "Hungarian Rhapsody: Queen Live in Budapest" in 1986, my dad really enjoyed the video of that concert and used to play it a lot. Probably one of the reasons this concert is so famous is not only the quality of the performance, but that it was so rare.

    A lot was bootlegged, all the way into the 90s, at least in the Baltic States, also places like St Pete. To get an original vinyl of a band you liked was very rare and very awesome (according to my dad). My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a "magnetophone", lol), and decent locally made speakers. Btw, I saw that you spoke about phones not being available back in the 1980s in every apartment. This was not the case in the Baltic States -- phones were widely available even in small towns and villages at least in the early 1980s (possibly earlier). There were TVs on the country side, too, alas, only with 3 channels. My dad told me he regularly watched hockey games in mid or late 60s as a young boy. Not even in the city but in a very small town.

    Anyway, just data, don't particularly think this is some big achievement. To have a phone and decent speakers in a place 3 hours away from the city in the early 1980s is just not a big achievement by any civilizational standards. Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. You can see from the 1950s movies what they had, they were rich already then. But America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

  520. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    In turn, Putin can be increasingly seen as the leader who for years had peacefully sought reasonable objectives.
     
    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. :-)

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn't at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I'll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I've become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I'm becoming more used to its charming sound. It's a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do....

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikhail

    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. 🙂

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn’t at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I’ve become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I’m becoming more used to its charming sound. It’s a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do….

    Atrocities like the ones made up by Denisova for the purpose of trying to help the Kiev regime’s cause. I’m aware that there’re Russian speaking neo-Nazis doing the Kiev regime’s dirty work which includes committing atrocities.

    Glad to keep you laughing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    There have been so many atrocities committed in Ukraine by Russian invaders that no one person (Denisova?) could have been responsible for them all. There are human rights groups collecting the evidence and conducting interviews with any survivors to make sure that there will eventually be an accounting for these evil deeds. By trying to whitewash these crimes with your lies you're only covering your own filthy hands with more and more Ukrainian blood.

    https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/7-6218ab7fd4daf__700.jpg

    When Averko grows up, he wants to be like Putler. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail

  521. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    This is a hilarious statement to make, and gives me a clearer insight into your lunacy. 🙂

    I was reading this comment from the bottom up, and didn’t at first realize that you were its author. This too made me laugh very much! So you made me laugh quite heartily twice within one comment.

    On a more serious note, the sentiments displayed within the photo have to be taken into context. A lot of people within Ukraine are fed up with an invader that is also showing its intolerance for the Ukrainian language and culture, killing its sons and daughter and husband and fathers, destroying its homes etc. I certainly hope that a more balanced and tolerant attitude returns to Ukraine, after this war ends. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Since this war began, especially in the east, I’ve become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc. I’m becoming more used to its charming sound. It’s a pity that the language is being used to describe atrocities committed by Russian soldiers and also the pride and satisfaction that the Ukrainian soldiers display in relating to stories where they are chasing the hated intruder back to its own borders. But hey, you got to do what you got to do….
     
    Atrocities like the ones made up by Denisova for the purpose of trying to help the Kiev regime's cause. I'm aware that there're Russian speaking neo-Nazis doing the Kiev regime's dirty work which includes committing atrocities.

    Glad to keep you laughing.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There have been so many atrocities committed in Ukraine by Russian invaders that no one person (Denisova?) could have been responsible for them all. There are human rights groups collecting the evidence and conducting interviews with any survivors to make sure that there will eventually be an accounting for these evil deeds. By trying to whitewash these crimes with your lies you’re only covering your own filthy hands with more and more Ukrainian blood.

    When Averko grows up, he wants to be like Putler. 🙁

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Your delusions aside once again downplay realities like a well over 2/3 majority in Crimea (including the majority of ethnic Ukrainians there) supporting Crimea's reunification with Russia and the Kiev regime losing more territory, along with the atrocities of its forces.

    The so-called "Orange revolution" flopped. Several years later, the "Euromaidan" paved the way for an undemocratic, corrupt and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime.

    Keep dreaming about wonder weapons leading to a successful August Kiev regime counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

  522. @Beckow
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    ...No explanation was offered for why She Loves You Yeah Yeah Yeah was such an evil contamination.
     
    Because it wasn't. "Lex's" dad just tried to be profound and ingratiate himself to the Westerners. It is total nonsense. We not only listened to Beatles on radio, but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best). My parents have Beatles records from the 60's that were issued by the local music company Supraphon (I am not sure they paid royalties).

    There was no reason to "contraband", that's not the way it worked anyway: we taped the music from each other on Tesla (local) and Grundig (German) tape recorders to save money - as did many in the West for the same reason.

    I don't know about the Soviets, but what you wrote is another misunderstood myth about non-Soviet Eastern Europe. By the way, I saw a lengthy program about how Beatles records were burnt by some religious people in US (I think South, but not sure). How about that? Also a "trigger for revolution"? You live the false narratives that the Western Cold war propaganda stuffed in your mind.

    Replies: @LatW

    but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best)

    Afaik, very few of the best ones came. Probably one of the most famous events was “Hungarian Rhapsody: Queen Live in Budapest” in 1986, my dad really enjoyed the video of that concert and used to play it a lot. Probably one of the reasons this concert is so famous is not only the quality of the performance, but that it was so rare.

    A lot was bootlegged, all the way into the 90s, at least in the Baltic States, also places like St Pete. To get an original vinyl of a band you liked was very rare and very awesome (according to my dad). My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a “magnetophone”, lol), and decent locally made speakers. Btw, I saw that you spoke about phones not being available back in the 1980s in every apartment. This was not the case in the Baltic States — phones were widely available even in small towns and villages at least in the early 1980s (possibly earlier). There were TVs on the country side, too, alas, only with 3 channels. My dad told me he regularly watched hockey games in mid or late 60s as a young boy. Not even in the city but in a very small town.

    Anyway, just data, don’t particularly think this is some big achievement. To have a phone and decent speakers in a place 3 hours away from the city in the early 1980s is just not a big achievement by any civilizational standards. Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. You can see from the 1950s movies what they had, they were rich already then. But America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    Do you realize that the Amerians are not buying all that wealth with the real money? They are taking loans and do not pay them bak. This way anybody can be rich.

    Take a look at the US debt clock, it's running like crazy. They are spending a lot more than they are actually earning.

    https://www.usdebtclock.org/

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...very few of the best ones came
     
    That is true about all of provincial Europe, we are not Berlin-London-Paris. But you are right, even fewer than should had come, probably because they didn't want to and because of because 'commie government'. Most likely both. My parents have a ticket they saved from a Beach Boys 1969 concert in Bratislava (they didn't think much of the music).

    The idiotic Western meme 'but you banned Beatles!!!!' is so stupid that one almost doesn't want to respond. Old geezers raised on propaganda and not even realizing it. I almost welcome more AP's industrious digging through the weeds for that one more percent to definitely prove to himself that in 1985 N Jersey was better than Prague. Sure it was, if he stayed indoors (big house!) and ate manufactured garbage for food. See what it did to him. Again, any society can only be judged on results, the people it produces.

    The housing actually works differently: it is the availability and cost that matters. The American way has been to move to the outburbs with an oversized mortgage, tell people to drive until they are blue in the face (and correspondingly more stupid), and a big freezer to store food for 6 months. Great life and AP will count the square meters and gallons of milk and declare: "we live better!" Do they really? Some do, others don't. That was also the case 35 years ago.

    Socialist Eastern Europe was a successful, if a bit dull society - it had safety, basics provided for, families prospered, easy life, work wasn't onerous, and it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about. AP doesn't get it - he is a natural obedient conformist, as are most Western people.

    AP probably thinks that 'freedom' is staging an absurdist sketch on a street corner. It isn't, the real freedom is how we live our lives - freedom at work, ease of housing, what we do with our time. He will never get it. But I thought you may.

    Replies: @LatW, @Thulean Friend

  523. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.
     
    Wrong.

    Majority of ex-Yugoslavs, Hungarians, Norwegians, Danes, and Poles, live in detached individual houses.

    If you include semi-detached houses (townhomes) you can add Austrians, Finns, Swedes, French, Bulgarians, Benelux, Irish, Portuguese, and Brits.

    Townhouses are very popular in the UK and Netherlands:

    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/traditional-dutch-townhouses-amsterdam-houses-historic-city-famous-popular-tourist-destination-capital-netherlands-219924479.jpg

    Only a majority of Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Swiss, and post-Soviets live in those large apartment buildings.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/503301/share-of-population-living-in-houses-europe-eu-by-type/

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Wokechoke

    Detached individual houses are not better than condos per se. Most of these houses are not big, rather of the same size as a regular condo inside.

    These old townhomes on the photo go for a million dollar each at the least.

    A regular British townhouse doesn’t look like that.

    This is what it looks like. There’s nothing good about it.

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Detached individual houses are not better than condos per se. Most of these houses are not big, rather of the same size as a regular condo inside.
     
    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building. Also, the townhouses have small backyards for gardens and outdoor tables and barbecues (probably too small for swimming pools though). Having neighbors only on the sides and not above or below also adds to privacy.

    Anyways, certainly not all European countries are majority apartment-dwellers, and I doubt that most Europeans live in large apartment buildings. That's a phenomenon of Germans, Spaniards, Italians, and ex-Soviet bloc countries.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  524. @LatW
    @Beckow


    but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best)
     
    Afaik, very few of the best ones came. Probably one of the most famous events was "Hungarian Rhapsody: Queen Live in Budapest" in 1986, my dad really enjoyed the video of that concert and used to play it a lot. Probably one of the reasons this concert is so famous is not only the quality of the performance, but that it was so rare.

    A lot was bootlegged, all the way into the 90s, at least in the Baltic States, also places like St Pete. To get an original vinyl of a band you liked was very rare and very awesome (according to my dad). My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a "magnetophone", lol), and decent locally made speakers. Btw, I saw that you spoke about phones not being available back in the 1980s in every apartment. This was not the case in the Baltic States -- phones were widely available even in small towns and villages at least in the early 1980s (possibly earlier). There were TVs on the country side, too, alas, only with 3 channels. My dad told me he regularly watched hockey games in mid or late 60s as a young boy. Not even in the city but in a very small town.

    Anyway, just data, don't particularly think this is some big achievement. To have a phone and decent speakers in a place 3 hours away from the city in the early 1980s is just not a big achievement by any civilizational standards. Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. You can see from the 1950s movies what they had, they were rich already then. But America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    Do you realize that the Amerians are not buying all that wealth with the real money? They are taking loans and do not pay them bak. This way anybody can be rich.

    Take a look at the US debt clock, it’s running like crazy. They are spending a lot more than they are actually earning.

    https://www.usdebtclock.org/

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Here Be Dragon


    Do you realize that the Americans are not buying all that wealth with the real money? They are taking loans and do not pay them bak. This way anybody can be rich.
     
    Well, some of the loans are paid back. Otherwise they wouldn't be issued. But, yea, the debt clock looks pretty crazy. However, what is important, is that most of the material wealth is already created. It has intrinsic value from the material, practical point of view simply because it exists. :) Regardless what it costs at any given time or who owes what, somebody will always want it.

    Replies: @LatW

  525. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately
     
    You show a strong opinion about 'what it was like' for someone wha had no real experience with life there. You also seconded AP's deranged nonsense - that is an unforgivable sin! You had absolutely zero experience of life in Czech-Slovakia or Hungary, so all this talk of "ruins" and "no fridges" is a hollow projection based on what you absorbed from the Western propaganda.

    'Here Be Dragon' summarized it well: for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time. There were also some very old cars and run-down buildings in Vienna in the late 80's. And already a few migrants.

    You compare the West at its best with suburban bliss of the last few decades to E Europe of your imagination and fear, based on very piece-meal and shallow descriptions of people with agendas. Or people who wanted to make it more interesting, so they embellished.

    It simply doesn't ring true - I remember what it was like, good and bad, lazy lifestyles, occasional bananas, women teachers making stupid displays from slogans and begging us - literally - to show up for some meeting, or to come to the May 1st march. There would be an unlimited ice-cream they said, we still didn't bother. And absolutely nothing ever happened to us. How is that for a "totalitarian nightmare"? The truth is that in the last few decades of socialism the crazy stuff, the devoted pandering to the authorities, was done by the career oriented opportunists - nobody was forcing anybody to do it. It was even in that way very similar to the West - just look around.

    Westerners are incapable of seeing it: the fog of propaganda and conformism is too thick.


    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country
     
    Small correction: Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991. What it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU to tolerate its oligarchs and nutty nationalism, so that won't happen. It is too angry to make up with Russia. Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up, or it will disintegrate. They had a chance and they blew it.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Dmitry

    for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time

    Well, life was shorter:

    While in 1961 Czechs were living 1 year longer than Austrians, Germans and French, by 1980 their lives were 2 years shorter than those of the Austrians, 3 years shorter than German lives, and 4 years shorter than French lives.

    The life expectancy of Czechs in 1990 was the same as it had been in 1961. At this time, Czech lives were 4 years shorter than German lives, 5 years shorter than Austrian lives, and 6 years shorter than French lives.

    Czechoslovakia was the richest of the Warsaw pact states and richer than the USSR, but far behind the USA. By 1985, Czechs had less than 1/3 of phones per capita that Americans had (no data here for West Germany or Austria or France, but it was undoubtedly closer to USA than to the Warsaw Pact):

    (US infant mortality slightly lower than East Germany’s due to America’s black population)

  526. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    There have been so many atrocities committed in Ukraine by Russian invaders that no one person (Denisova?) could have been responsible for them all. There are human rights groups collecting the evidence and conducting interviews with any survivors to make sure that there will eventually be an accounting for these evil deeds. By trying to whitewash these crimes with your lies you're only covering your own filthy hands with more and more Ukrainian blood.

    https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/7-6218ab7fd4daf__700.jpg

    When Averko grows up, he wants to be like Putler. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Your delusions aside once again downplay realities like a well over 2/3 majority in Crimea (including the majority of ethnic Ukrainians there) supporting Crimea’s reunification with Russia and the Kiev regime losing more territory, along with the atrocities of its forces.

    The so-called “Orange revolution” flopped. Several years later, the “Euromaidan” paved the way for an undemocratic, corrupt and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime.

    Keep dreaming about wonder weapons leading to a successful August Kiev regime counter-offensive.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    99.999% of Ukrainians are not "neo-Nazis". The president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish, you dodo bird. Your reliance on such stupid and non-existant memes to support your support of bloodthirsty and Ukrainophobic Russian incursions into Ukraine, only points to the flimsiness and paucity of justification for your insane reasoning.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail


    Keep dreaming about wonder weapons leading to a successful August Kiev regime counter-offensive
     
    Nothing is new under the sun. Parteigenosse Hitler kept talking about wonder-weapons until he poisoned himself.
  527. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Big houses are for the rich alone, most people in the West don’t have them.
     
    Housing, rooms per person:

    https://cdn.mises.org/rooms.png

    In Europe, ex-Socialist countries along with Greeks are at the bottom.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Can we see the article?

    It looks unrealistic. Most people in Germany have one room per person plus one.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    1.8 is almost that.

    Article:

    https://mises.org/power-market/americans-have-much-more-living-space-europeans

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  528. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Detached individual houses are not better than condos per se. Most of these houses are not big, rather of the same size as a regular condo inside.

    These old townhomes on the photo go for a million dollar each at the least.

    A regular British townhouse doesn't look like that.

    https://i.postimg.cc/3RQMgGsc/A-regular-British-townhouse-01.jpg

    This is what it looks like. There's nothing good about it.

    https://i.postimg.cc/BbZVgBMM/A-regular-British-townhouse-02.jpg

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    Replies: @AP

    Detached individual houses are not better than condos per se. Most of these houses are not big, rather of the same size as a regular condo inside.

    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building. Also, the townhouses have small backyards for gardens and outdoor tables and barbecues (probably too small for swimming pools though). Having neighbors only on the sides and not above or below also adds to privacy.

    Anyways, certainly not all European countries are majority apartment-dwellers, and I doubt that most Europeans live in large apartment buildings. That’s a phenomenon of Germans, Spaniards, Italians, and ex-Soviet bloc countries.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    No, that's because in big cities most people live in apartment buildings, because it's more convenient and less expensive. Some countries do not have big cities, or have one or two, so most people live in villages and small towns, where it doesn't make sense to build high buildings, because the place isn't big and the land is cheap.

    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn't add to privacy at all. The best privacy is in a condo on a high floor, plus you get a nice view and fresh air. A lot of people prefer to live in apartments, including some rich people.


    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building.
     
    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that's for middle class people.

    https://i.postimg.cc/pdG1Fwt0/British-townhouse.jpg

    Replies: @Coconuts, @AP

  529. @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Can we see the article?

    It looks unrealistic. Most people in Germany have one room per person plus one.

    Replies: @AP

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    No that isn't that, it's 1.25 to 1.3 and not 1.8, there's a big difference.

    And the article is about detached houses and townhouses, it doesn't count condos. Most people live in condos, not in houses. Houses are for the rich. A regular person, living in a big town, doesn't have a house, he has a flat.

    As for the size of houses in America, it's because these houses are built of cheap materials, and have the life span the same as of the person who bought it, and that's if it was bought new. Nothing to be proud of.

    Replies: @AP

  530. @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    Do you realize that the Amerians are not buying all that wealth with the real money? They are taking loans and do not pay them bak. This way anybody can be rich.

    Take a look at the US debt clock, it's running like crazy. They are spending a lot more than they are actually earning.

    https://www.usdebtclock.org/

    Replies: @LatW

    Do you realize that the Americans are not buying all that wealth with the real money? They are taking loans and do not pay them bak. This way anybody can be rich.

    Well, some of the loans are paid back. Otherwise they wouldn’t be issued. But, yea, the debt clock looks pretty crazy. However, what is important, is that most of the material wealth is already created. It has intrinsic value from the material, practical point of view simply because it exists. 🙂 Regardless what it costs at any given time or who owes what, somebody will always want it.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    P.s. And there will be a huge wealth transfer soon to the millennial generation.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  531. @LatW
    @Here Be Dragon


    Do you realize that the Americans are not buying all that wealth with the real money? They are taking loans and do not pay them bak. This way anybody can be rich.
     
    Well, some of the loans are paid back. Otherwise they wouldn't be issued. But, yea, the debt clock looks pretty crazy. However, what is important, is that most of the material wealth is already created. It has intrinsic value from the material, practical point of view simply because it exists. :) Regardless what it costs at any given time or who owes what, somebody will always want it.

    Replies: @LatW

    P.s. And there will be a huge wealth transfer soon to the millennial generation.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    No, there will be a transfer of debt.

    The wealth does not belong to the Americans – it belongs to those, who own the debt.

    Replies: @LatW

  532. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Your delusions aside once again downplay realities like a well over 2/3 majority in Crimea (including the majority of ethnic Ukrainians there) supporting Crimea's reunification with Russia and the Kiev regime losing more territory, along with the atrocities of its forces.

    The so-called "Orange revolution" flopped. Several years later, the "Euromaidan" paved the way for an undemocratic, corrupt and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime.

    Keep dreaming about wonder weapons leading to a successful August Kiev regime counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    99.999% of Ukrainians are not “neo-Nazis”. The president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish, you dodo bird. Your reliance on such stupid and non-existant memes to support your support of bloodthirsty and Ukrainophobic Russian incursions into Ukraine, only points to the flimsiness and paucity of justification for your insane reasoning.

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    99.999% of Ukrainians are not “neo-Nazis”. The president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish, you dodo bird.
     
    I never denied that the overwhelming majority of that group aren't neo-Nazis you idiot. The neo-Nazis nonetheless have disproportionate influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    Your reliance on such stupid and non-existant memes to support your support of bloodthirsty and Ukrainophobic Russian incursions into Ukraine, only points to the flimsiness and paucity of justification for your insane reasoning.
     
    Howard Cosell like prose, denying Kiev regime culpability.

    Read and learn if you can. Your svido insults reveal a feeble mind, lacking in the ability to engage in earnest discourse, thereby further substantiating what I've said.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/04052022-sergey-lavrovs-comments-about-jews-oped/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  533. @Mr. Hack
    @LatW


    Bashi said that Putin has to retaliate and that if he doesn’t, it will be a huge sign of weakness.
     
    I'm not quite putting all of the dots together. So how did Navalny's expose video about Putler's palace somehow force him to act as a strongman and create a huge war in Ukraine? Maybe only within Putler's Russia does 1+1=17?

    As far as Bashi's ideas about Russia (and maybe about Ukraine too), I remember him always going back to some kind of a "back to the family" (village?) scenario that would help to ensure in his mind the viability and the genetic structure of the Russian narod for future generations to thrive and exist. I think that he was opposed to further urbanization of society that he perceived as some kind of large machine that was destroying humanity, that Daniel Chieh seemed to be advocating. They would have these long discussions about this kind of stuff, and get extremely cross with one another, where to me it seemed that they were often just splitting hairs. Of course I could be wrong about this, for sometimes his ideas were not presented in a linear sort of way. He was extremely well read and was always ready to share information about good books or websites that he was interested in. He came back briefly during the last thread, maybe he'll favor us and come back once again?

    Replies: @sher singh, @LatW

    So how did Navalny’s expose video about Putler’s palace somehow force him to act as a strongman and create a huge war in Ukraine?

    Well, he cleared out the last remnants of anyone who could object. Navalny would probably be on his channel talking about it frequently. Most of the Russian population support the invasion, but even if 10-20% were fluctuating or not supporting it, then that voice would be out there, even as a minority voice. Above all, Putin showed that he will not tolerate any political competition (he started with Russian nationalists and finished with Navalny, then in the end closed the Dozhd channel). Not that he had any real competition, it just untied his hands completely.

    [MORE]

    Since this war began, especially in the east, I’ve become more appreciative of the Russian language. Seeing so many brave Ukrainian soldiers and civilians use the Russian language during interviews etc

    You know, what’s funny is that the same thing happened to me. Just seeing these brave Eastern Ukrainians fight so selflessly and go through such hardships, being so innocent, made me really warm up to them and to the Russian language (even though I already liked it a lot). It is so pleasant to see someone who speaks Russian who doesn’t hate you. And what’s more, it made me way more tolerant of the Orthodox Church (I had always viewed the Orthodox Church with some distance, as something alien, but these people just really made me open my heart and become more accepting of it).

  534. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/

    The significance of Trenin’s article lies in the evidence it gives of a consolidation of the Russian intellectual elites in support of the war effort in Ukraine. It is not in many cases out of a desire to conquer Ukraine (many of the figures joining this new consensus were strongly opposed to the invasion and loathe Putin), but out of an increasingly strong feeling that the United States is trying to use the war in Ukraine to cripple or even destroy the Russian state, and that it is now the duty of every patriotic Russian citizen to support the Russian government.

    There seems to be a growing belief in the Russian elites — including many who were horrified by the invasion itself — that the vital interests, and even perhaps the survival, of the Russian state are now at stake in Ukraine. Unlike the Russian masses, these well-informed figures have not been brainwashed by Putin’s propaganda. Most of them see quite clearly the appalling mess in which Russia has landed itself in Ukraine and the terrible suffering inflicted on ordinary Ukrainians. But the only way they seem to see out of it is through something that can at least be presented as a victory.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yellowface Anon

    It's time for the West to just surrender. This is retarded.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  535. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    I'm combining replies to two posts:


    You keep talking about the sae thing in two different posts
     
    You keep repeating the falsehood in different posts.

    The score of 518 equals IQ 102.7 – the same as ethnic Russians are supposed to have now.
     
    Evidence?

    Russian average PISA score dropped 10 points in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA%202018%20Insights%20and%20Interpretations%20FINAL%20PDF.pdf


    Standard Progressive Matrices is an IQ test, its use is not limited to children, and it does correlate quite highly with the Wechsler test. You haven’t even addressed it, you ignored it.

    You posted a reference to a research in a mental institution.
     

    And? Research in this field often involves patients. Do you have a reason why scores on these tests would correlate in the patient population but not in the general population?

    Understand one thing – there are many kinds of intelligence. You can’t make any estimation based on the test of logical thinking alone, especially a nonverbal one. That’s the easiest part of the Wechsler test.
     
    All parts of the Wechsler test are equally "easy" because all are normed with a standard distribution of scores.

    The Wechsler is not identical across countries because the languages are not the same.

    The languages are the same, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to translate from one to another.
     

    I'll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand.

    The Wechsler is normed within each country - the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100. Accordingly, the verbal parts will vary by country. The questions will be different and will be easier/harder depending on how smart the population in each country is. Different vocabulary words, different information items, not merely translations of the same ones.

    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country and one can simply compare how many items one guesses correctly and use, say, British norms to obtain a British IQ for that person and an average British IQ for the group.

    This is why most of these cross-national studies use the Raven's and not the Wechsler test. The Russian subjects use the exact same items as the British subjects, and one can calculate their IQ using British norms on those identical items.


    "Here it goes, again: Moscow is an outlier, with PISA-derived IQ of 106.3, far above the national average of 98.8."

    You are ignoring that the national average was calculated with a number of other outliers, such as Dagestan with 89.7 points
     

    Moscow is an outlier even in comparison to the ethnic Russian regions.

    A reasonable correction would have been halve the number of Muscovites in your sample so that it would match the percentage of Muscovites in the overall Russian population.


    Fair enough.

    Since none of those aforementioned regions was featured on my list it makes sense, but then you will say that St Petersburg is an outlier too, won’t you?
     

    It's not as extreme and the population is smaller so it wouldn't skew the sample as much.

    Considering 50 percent of Moscow’s population we get the score of 100.4
     
    That's almost exactly what I estimated it would be. Nice to see my intuition match the result.

    I wrote: "You included the Moscow outlier but didn’t include half of ethnic Russians. This inflated your result. Actual result would be lower, I’d guess around 100.5 or so."


    However that was six years ago, and the scores during the ten years prior to that had been steadily growing – from 94.75 in 2006 to 95.25 in 2009, to 97.15 in 2012 to 98.80 in 2015.
     
    Russian scores on PISA regressed in 2018. The Russian average was 482 (see link to the pdf above) in 2018, compared to 492 in 2015. Don't know what the ethnic Russian average was in 2018, but I doubt it has increased if the the overall Russian average has gone down.

    Meanwhile the White American average increased in 2018 compared to 2015. Here are 2018 results:

    https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/pisa2018/pdf/PISA2018_compiled.pdf

    (use Ctr F to find white)

    It was 519 in 2015 but 521 in 2018.

    So Russians were a little bit dumber than white Americans in 2015, and this gap has probably increased.


    You can pick any number, one thing is certain here, that in 2015 the IQ of ethnic Russians based on the PISA test was most probably 100.4, but it should be higher now
     
    I'm glad you finally agree with me, when I stated it was probably around 100.5.

    But it is probably not higher now, given the decline in the overall Russian PISA performance in 2018 compared to 2015.

    LOL, your obsession with my old place in Moscow continues.


    "In the English language when you live in a place you call it your place."

    You surely cannot call a rented apartment your place after having moved out of it, because you know you’re not coming back.
     

    You surely can. I rented a wonderful place in on a lake in Italy once for only a week, and speak happily of my apartment there.

    But I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.


    And when you say it that you will return, you dumbass, to your old Stalin-era flat, that implies, that there is an old, Stalin-era flat, which is yours
     
    There is no such implication. Stop lying.

    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement
     
    Your words gave a dramatically different meaning so they did misrepresent what I said. You were just being dishonest as usual.

    AP: ““When one lives in a place it is customary to refer to it as “my place” or “our place,” whether it be a house or apartment.”

    Here be Sharikov: Yes sure, and it must have become so customary in the end, that one said – maybe we will get our old flat in Moscow back, i.e. – back, i.e. meaning it used to belong to him.”


    My misquoting your words wasn’t in quotation marks so it didn’t misrepresent yourot statement, and as a matter of fact your original statement makes a stronger implication that the flat in question belongs to your family
     
    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.

    You are not comfortable with the fact that it’s that Bolshevik family relative of yours who left this flat to you.
     
    Not really. That relative redeemed any family sins by being part of the circle that helped to end the disgusting USSR in the late 1980s and early 1990s. And, to his credit, did not get rich in the 1990s by engaging in the mass theft and murder that many of his Soviet peers engaged in. Naive guy hoped the USSR would become a type of Sweden because he didn't acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you, Sharikov, and in the debacle of the 1990s. Sadly, it couldn't have ended any other way. That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    Denying a part of your family history isn’t good sweetheart, especially the most important part of it.
     
    LOL, these Russian relatives of mine aren't my ancestors, my non-Bolshevik family history is no worse.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon


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    Hello ape.

    The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100.

    How can you be so dumb and be a doctor at the same time? This isn’t funny anymore.

    Do you not understand, idiot, that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn’t be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.

    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree, like it’s some kind of merchandise. You have no competition, because most people can’t afford education, and if they did, then you and people like you wouldn’t be able to become doctors. You are too dumb to be a doctor, son.

    You shouldn’t be a doctor.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity, and that’s why there are not many versions of translated IQ tests – this is not easily done, usually bilingual people translate from one language to the other several times back and forth, until they get it right.

    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.

    Really, now it’s the same in each country? You have said it’s supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn’t be normed? Dumbass.

    And you still got the nerve to call me stupid.

    You are that Sharikov you’re talking about, he’s in you. You are the stupid one here. You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn’t deserve it.

    And you have very bad manners, on top of that, which is understandable considering your background. Stupid people like you, morons like you feel that insulting another person makes them look better.

    No, fool, it makes you look grotesque.

    I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.

    So isn’t it what was implied, idiot?

    There is no such implication. Stop lying.

    Fool!

    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.

    Family members or ancestors doesn’t make any difference.

    He didn’t acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you.

    You are the one who is morally corrupt.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur, full of self importance. You are calling me a liar when it’s you who is lying.

    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon


    ...The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.
     
    I would say a few tens of thousands in non-Soviet countries. They were mostly relatives and buddies of the top people, not the people themselves. There was an amazingly high percentage of nephews and brothers-in-law among the corrupt who then very easily transitioned after 1989 to be the main oligarchs.

    The post-1989 corruption is orders of magnitude bigger - it is not comparable, how come that doesn't bother anyone? Because corruption is not the real issue for the West - they are also corrupt in their own gigantic ways - corruption is a tool against enemies as it has always been - even under commies the accusation of corruption (mostly true) was used for power struggle.

    The corruption under the socialist system was very curtailed: they could only steal so much and couldn't parade it publicly. They couldn't move money abroad. That would be a kiss of death for a career of their benefactors. Sometimes the commie gment made an example of someone and that meant that the sponsoring elite member also lost his position. It doesn't happen anymore. They got that fixed.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

    , @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Given the fact that we have established that it took you a couple posts to conclude that my estimate of PISA-derived Russian IQ was correct, one would think that Sharikov would be more humble. But Sharikov is as he must be.


    that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn’t be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.
     
    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Scoring a 100 in a smart country might be like scoring a 110 in a less smart country.

    Only an idiot would assume otherwise.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. The norms may differ by country, but for purposes of comparison one can simply use, say, the British norms to establish a “British IQ.” So Russians would take the identical nonverbal test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated. In the case of ethnic Russians in Yakutia this was 97.9.

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree
     
    Lol, people can “buy” diplomas by paying for schools but they still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that. I would have doubts about you Sharikov. A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.

    Sovok education was “free” which meant favours between parents and teachers, personal bribes, etc. The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you. You think the 90s wasn’t a direct product of Soviet morality, values and corruption which further highlights your stupidity.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity
     
    They do, but each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test. This doesn’t mean that each country has an equal average intelligence.

    “ the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.”

    Really, now it’s the same in each country? You have said it’s supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn’t be normed
     
    The Wechsler has different items depending on country; the Ravens uses the same items in all the countries. Each country might have its own set of norms on the Ravens, but since the items are identical one can easily calculate a British IQ in a non-British country by simply using British norms.

    But one can’t simply calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts which are a major component of the Wechsler.

    This is why what you stupidly dismiss as a childrens test is commonly used and accepted in cross-national intelligence research by people who are much smarter than you are.

    I wonder Sharikov, if you are so dense that this will have to be explained to you a third time.

    You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn’t deserve it.
     
    No Sharikov, my relative position in life is similar to that which had fallen upon my ancestors for hundreds of years (at least), surviving even the disruption of war and emigration which left my grandparents temporarily penniless in a foreign land. It is thus natural and good.

    You on the other hand are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied. You profane anything good by mentioning it or trying to “think” about it.


    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

     

    Just to be clear, I did not and will not specify my particular degree.

    It’s funny that in Bulgakov’s book, if memory serves correctly (I haven’t read it in 20 years or so) Sharikov was eventually trying to take the doctor’s Moscow (IIRC) apartment. And here our own Sharikov continues to obsess about my old Tverskaya apartment where I had lived.

    “I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.”

    Family members or ancestors doesn’t make any difference.
     
    Ah yes, when the liar is caught in his lies his excuse is that it doesn’t make any difference. The reasoning of moral corruption.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur
     
    Sharikov has learned some big words. You have already admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been (Israel, Poland, etc). It is natural for me and other normal people you encounter that view you with contempt and disgust. This is not a reflection on us but of you, Sharikov. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.

    Misanthrope? I help others. And you? Arrogant narcissist (are there ones who are not arrogant?)? Realistic. I acknowledge that several people here are smarter than I am, and some are probs my more virtuous than I am. Not you though, as we have seen. Don’t be myopic.

    You are calling me a liar when it’s you who is lying.

     

    You have been caught in your lies here and elsewhere. I have only told the truth.

    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.
     
    The entire Soviet society was founded on theft and murder. And corruption was widespread from top to bottom. Bribery, favouritism, help me and I’ll help you, theft of all kinds (from the state or from each other). Yes, people in hell suffer and in the case of the “post” Soviet hell it was a suffering of their own collective making. Very sad.

    Corruption of a few at the top characterizes places like the USA with its lobbyists and so on. Corruption of daily life by regular people was a Sovok thing. Creatures like you were built for it and were a product of it, Sharikov.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Barbarossa

  536. @LatW
    @LatW

    P.s. And there will be a huge wealth transfer soon to the millennial generation.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    No, there will be a transfer of debt.

    The wealth does not belong to the Americans – it belongs to those, who own the debt.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Here Be Dragon


    No, there will be a transfer of debt.

     

    There will be a transfer of businesses, trusts, real estate, etc.

    The wealth does not belong to the Americans – it belongs to those, who own the debt.
     
    Wouldn't you agree though that this then becomes a problem for the creditors, too? There have been some intricate and very well informed discussions on this topic on these comment threads before, try searching by keyword, if you're interested in this topic.

    Of course, debt can be problematic in terms of government spending, and I wonder if this current inflation surge has anything to do with it. But my point was more simple - the US has a lot of resources, both natural and man made, and a lot has already been created, the US is able to retain resources such as knowledge and technology, a lot of it will remain intact even in the case of a hypothetical default.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  537. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    1.8 is almost that.

    Article:

    https://mises.org/power-market/americans-have-much-more-living-space-europeans

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    No that isn’t that, it’s 1.25 to 1.3 and not 1.8, there’s a big difference.

    And the article is about detached houses and townhouses, it doesn’t count condos. Most people live in condos, not in houses. Houses are for the rich. A regular person, living in a big town, doesn’t have a house, he has a flat.

    As for the size of houses in America, it’s because these houses are built of cheap materials, and have the life span the same as of the person who bought it, and that’s if it was bought new. Nothing to be proud of.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    According to the chart in the article in Germany it is 1.8. The chart refers to housing, not houses.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  538. @LatW
    @Verymuchalive


    Estonia = cheap holiday homes for Swedes and Finns, and opportunities for property speculators. We know how that usually ends!
     
    I would agree that real estate looks overinflated in Estonia (and btw, those holiday homes are purchased not just by Swedes, but also Latvians and Lithuanians (a family friend of mine has a nice house on the Saaremaa island), as well as up to now, by Russians. Russians love Baltic real estate in general.

    However, Estonia has a decent level of productivity per capita, as well as high HDI (at least in the top 30 in the world). It's up there with the Czech Republic on many metrics.

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    Thanks for your informative reply.

    However, Estonia has a decent level of productivity per capita, as well as high HDI (at least in the top 30 in the world). It’s up there with the Czech Republic on many metrics.

    As I said previously, Estonia is a small country which has seen very heavy Swedish and Finnish investment in particular.

  539. @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    No, there will be a transfer of debt.

    The wealth does not belong to the Americans – it belongs to those, who own the debt.

    Replies: @LatW

    No, there will be a transfer of debt.

    There will be a transfer of businesses, trusts, real estate, etc.

    The wealth does not belong to the Americans – it belongs to those, who own the debt.

    Wouldn’t you agree though that this then becomes a problem for the creditors, too? There have been some intricate and very well informed discussions on this topic on these comment threads before, try searching by keyword, if you’re interested in this topic.

    Of course, debt can be problematic in terms of government spending, and I wonder if this current inflation surge has anything to do with it. But my point was more simple – the US has a lot of resources, both natural and man made, and a lot has already been created, the US is able to retain resources such as knowledge and technology, a lot of it will remain intact even in the case of a hypothetical default.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    Your point is how the things are looking right now, and it doesn't seem to be very bad yet, but sooner or later this game is going to end, and then the creditors will come to collect their debt, and that will be in assets — land, natural resources, state property, etc.

    Nationalization will be needed, and it will be done, if needed. Otherwise, it's a war, and a war only that a free the US from this debt.

    A war with China.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  540. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Detached individual houses are not better than condos per se. Most of these houses are not big, rather of the same size as a regular condo inside.
     
    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building. Also, the townhouses have small backyards for gardens and outdoor tables and barbecues (probably too small for swimming pools though). Having neighbors only on the sides and not above or below also adds to privacy.

    Anyways, certainly not all European countries are majority apartment-dwellers, and I doubt that most Europeans live in large apartment buildings. That's a phenomenon of Germans, Spaniards, Italians, and ex-Soviet bloc countries.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    No, that’s because in big cities most people live in apartment buildings, because it’s more convenient and less expensive. Some countries do not have big cities, or have one or two, so most people live in villages and small towns, where it doesn’t make sense to build high buildings, because the place isn’t big and the land is cheap.

    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn’t add to privacy at all. The best privacy is in a condo on a high floor, plus you get a nice view and fresh air. A lot of people prefer to live in apartments, including some rich people.

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    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building.

    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.
     
    Those terraced houses you posted pictures of in 533 are working class or upper working class/lower middle class houses of the past. 80-100 metres is small working class housing or people living on social security (like retirement housing), though nowadays in the largest cities you may find people living in smaller dwellings due to population increase and pressure on housing stock. I notice the graphic posted is from London, I guess for new builds.

    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    , @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Coconuts caught you in yet another lie. You presented a working class or lower middle class townhouse as a typical townhouse when it was not so.


    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn’t add to privacy at all
     
    In a townhouse’s yard, one can be seen by the two neighbors when relaxing outside, having a barbecue and eating in one’s backyard yard, etc. People living in large buildings must do these things in public parks or in the yard of the building complexes, which involves far less privacy.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  541. @Yellowface Anon
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/

    The significance of Trenin’s article lies in the evidence it gives of a consolidation of the Russian intellectual elites in support of the war effort in Ukraine. It is not in many cases out of a desire to conquer Ukraine (many of the figures joining this new consensus were strongly opposed to the invasion and loathe Putin), but out of an increasingly strong feeling that the United States is trying to use the war in Ukraine to cripple or even destroy the Russian state, and that it is now the duty of every patriotic Russian citizen to support the Russian government.

     


    There seems to be a growing belief in the Russian elites — including many who were horrified by the invasion itself — that the vital interests, and even perhaps the survival, of the Russian state are now at stake in Ukraine. Unlike the Russian masses, these well-informed figures have not been brainwashed by Putin’s propaganda. Most of them see quite clearly the appalling mess in which Russia has landed itself in Ukraine and the terrible suffering inflicted on ordinary Ukrainians. But the only way they seem to see out of it is through something that can at least be presented as a victory.
     

    Replies: @Greasy William

    It’s time for the West to just surrender. This is retarded.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Greasy William

    It it better for Ukraine to fight to the last troop, because after the last troop perishes, the whole place is emptied out for Russia. This is called a war of extermination, and the real Nazis wanted to try this on Eastern Europe in WWII - Russian nationalist ideology will repeat it just as Ukrainian nationhood is denied. In a gang fight between neo-Nazis, the one with the bigger gun wins.

  542. @LatW
    @Here Be Dragon


    No, there will be a transfer of debt.

     

    There will be a transfer of businesses, trusts, real estate, etc.

    The wealth does not belong to the Americans – it belongs to those, who own the debt.
     
    Wouldn't you agree though that this then becomes a problem for the creditors, too? There have been some intricate and very well informed discussions on this topic on these comment threads before, try searching by keyword, if you're interested in this topic.

    Of course, debt can be problematic in terms of government spending, and I wonder if this current inflation surge has anything to do with it. But my point was more simple - the US has a lot of resources, both natural and man made, and a lot has already been created, the US is able to retain resources such as knowledge and technology, a lot of it will remain intact even in the case of a hypothetical default.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Your point is how the things are looking right now, and it doesn’t seem to be very bad yet, but sooner or later this game is going to end, and then the creditors will come to collect their debt, and that will be in assets — land, natural resources, state property, etc.

    Nationalization will be needed, and it will be done, if needed. Otherwise, it’s a war, and a war only that a free the US from this debt.

    A war with China.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Here Be Dragon

    Of the 30T of US national debt the Feds hold $11.4T, $3.5T to mutual funds, 1.5T to banks, 1.3T each to states and pensions, then 1.3T to Japan and 1.1T to China. In other words, a default and debt write-off would be a clusterf*ck.

    A reminder that US national debt more than doubled during WWII. That is not the way to deflate the debt, but to consolidate all the domestic productive capacities due to the inevitable trade breakdowns. Rather I would see either party declaring regime change to wipe out all the previous debt, as with all the revolutions, or maybe century-long austerity.

    Replies: @Greasy William

  543. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    99.999% of Ukrainians are not "neo-Nazis". The president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish, you dodo bird. Your reliance on such stupid and non-existant memes to support your support of bloodthirsty and Ukrainophobic Russian incursions into Ukraine, only points to the flimsiness and paucity of justification for your insane reasoning.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    99.999% of Ukrainians are not “neo-Nazis”. The president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish, you dodo bird.

    I never denied that the overwhelming majority of that group aren’t neo-Nazis you idiot. The neo-Nazis nonetheless have disproportionate influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    Your reliance on such stupid and non-existant memes to support your support of bloodthirsty and Ukrainophobic Russian incursions into Ukraine, only points to the flimsiness and paucity of justification for your insane reasoning.

    Howard Cosell like prose, denying Kiev regime culpability.

    Read and learn if you can. Your svido insults reveal a feeble mind, lacking in the ability to engage in earnest discourse, thereby further substantiating what I’ve said.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/04052022-sergey-lavrovs-comments-about-jews-oped/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Lavrov's anti-semitic remarks were so damaging that even Putler himself had to come out of his most recent hiatus and try and whitewash his top minister's incredible faux-paus. Hopefully you loaned them some of that "ethnic-cleanser" that you've been using lately?

    https://image.politicalcartoons.com/262901/600/denazification-in-ukraine.png

    Replies: @Mikhail

  544. @Greasy William
    @Yellowface Anon

    It's time for the West to just surrender. This is retarded.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    It it better for Ukraine to fight to the last troop, because after the last troop perishes, the whole place is emptied out for Russia. This is called a war of extermination, and the real Nazis wanted to try this on Eastern Europe in WWII – Russian nationalist ideology will repeat it just as Ukrainian nationhood is denied. In a gang fight between neo-Nazis, the one with the bigger gun wins.

  545. @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    No, that's because in big cities most people live in apartment buildings, because it's more convenient and less expensive. Some countries do not have big cities, or have one or two, so most people live in villages and small towns, where it doesn't make sense to build high buildings, because the place isn't big and the land is cheap.

    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn't add to privacy at all. The best privacy is in a condo on a high floor, plus you get a nice view and fresh air. A lot of people prefer to live in apartments, including some rich people.


    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building.
     
    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that's for middle class people.

    https://i.postimg.cc/pdG1Fwt0/British-townhouse.jpg

    Replies: @Coconuts, @AP

    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.

    Those terraced houses you posted pictures of in 533 are working class or upper working class/lower middle class houses of the past. 80-100 metres is small working class housing or people living on social security (like retirement housing), though nowadays in the largest cities you may find people living in smaller dwellings due to population increase and pressure on housing stock. I notice the graphic posted is from London, I guess for new builds.

    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Coconuts


    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.
     
    Would probably have?

    Where did you get this probably from, it's nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?

    People in Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol – is that what you mean?

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average. Nowhere in the UK a couple of teachers can afford an 8-bedroom house.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.

    https://i.postimg.cc/7ZTBf2M6/UK-salaries.png

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class, and the graphic was taken from an article on the current trend in the UK, which is that houses are becoming smaller.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

  546. • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikhail

    Those windows could be photoshopped with Russian tanks outside. On each side of the frame the half silhouette of a Donbas Novorussian with flag patch.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikhail

    Yes, "Mikhail" look to competence from some groomer sex tourist, and not the leaders of the most successful countries in the world.

    Makes sense.

    And anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll."

    What a worldview!

    I wonder if you have the abstract thinking skills to extrapolate from your thought process here to everything else and what that must do to you as a person?

    Mindf*cked.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

  547. @Here Be Dragon
    @LatW

    Your point is how the things are looking right now, and it doesn't seem to be very bad yet, but sooner or later this game is going to end, and then the creditors will come to collect their debt, and that will be in assets — land, natural resources, state property, etc.

    Nationalization will be needed, and it will be done, if needed. Otherwise, it's a war, and a war only that a free the US from this debt.

    A war with China.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Of the 30T of US national debt the Feds hold $11.4T, $3.5T to mutual funds, 1.5T to banks, 1.3T each to states and pensions, then 1.3T to Japan and 1.1T to China. In other words, a default and debt write-off would be a clusterf*ck.

    A reminder that US national debt more than doubled during WWII. That is not the way to deflate the debt, but to consolidate all the domestic productive capacities due to the inevitable trade breakdowns. Rather I would see either party declaring regime change to wipe out all the previous debt, as with all the revolutions, or maybe century-long austerity.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Yellowface Anon

    defaulting on the debt and a "century long austerity" are the same thing. If/when the US defaults, it will never be able to cheaply finance it's mega deficits again.

  548. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Most people in the West do not live in cottages with a two-car garage and a swimming pool. Most people in the West lie in buildings like these – in all the European countries at least.
     
    Wrong.

    Majority of ex-Yugoslavs, Hungarians, Norwegians, Danes, and Poles, live in detached individual houses.

    If you include semi-detached houses (townhomes) you can add Austrians, Finns, Swedes, French, Bulgarians, Benelux, Irish, Portuguese, and Brits.

    Townhouses are very popular in the UK and Netherlands:

    https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/traditional-dutch-townhouses-amsterdam-houses-historic-city-famous-popular-tourist-destination-capital-netherlands-219924479.jpg

    Only a majority of Germans, Czechs, Slovaks, Greeks, Italians, Spaniards, Swiss, and post-Soviets live in those large apartment buildings.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/503301/share-of-population-living-in-houses-europe-eu-by-type/

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Wokechoke

    housing design in the UK is quite horrid. Famously bad residential architecture for lower middle class people. I’m fonder of the dense 5 story apartments you see in Copenhagen.

  549. @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    No that isn't that, it's 1.25 to 1.3 and not 1.8, there's a big difference.

    And the article is about detached houses and townhouses, it doesn't count condos. Most people live in condos, not in houses. Houses are for the rich. A regular person, living in a big town, doesn't have a house, he has a flat.

    As for the size of houses in America, it's because these houses are built of cheap materials, and have the life span the same as of the person who bought it, and that's if it was bought new. Nothing to be proud of.

    Replies: @AP

    According to the chart in the article in Germany it is 1.8. The chart refers to housing, not houses.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    According to the chart in the article in Germany it is 1.8. The chart refers to housing, not houses.

     

    Well read the entire article, it's clearly about houses, not apartments. Or try once again to use your brain as a normal person is supposed to use it – think.

    An average family in Germany is a couple with one or two children, that is 3 or 4 people, right? And you said that you agree, that most people in Germany live in apartments, right?

    Therefore we have a situation here – 3 or 4 people and an apartment, in which you say they have 1.8 rooms per person on the average. So how many rooms an average apartment should have?

    For a 3 people family 5.5, and for a 4 people family, 7 rooms.

    The largest apartments have 5 rooms and are very expensive. An average apartment in Germany has 3 or 4 rooms.

    There are no 7 room apartments, except for some penthouses. Most people in Germany live in apartments. Thus, either the 1.8 fugure is entirely wrong, or the article was about detached houses and didn't take apartments into account.

    Do you understand the arithmetic, you fool?

    Replies: @AP

  550. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
     
    Sounds interesting, tell me more?...

    the dark consequences of reunification.
     
    Also, please tell me more?...

    Replies: @songbird

    >driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
    >Sounds interesting, tell me more?…

    Curious exotica – afraid I don’t know much more than the video. I adduce it mainly as very circumstantial evidence that East Germany had the highest standard of living in the Eastern Bloc. Mentioned once before that they had the highest meat consumption.

    [MORE]

    The Pioneers were something like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, only by the end of communism, 98% of Ossie children were members. (though I guess the tanks were for just for a small, elite group of them) They were really tied into the schools, and not joining them may have been bad for your career prospects. Don’t know a great deal about them, but reading the wiki about them is quite interesting. In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Pioneer_Organisation

    The engine for the “tanks” evidently came from the Trabant which was the famous, jalopy of East Germany, the rough equivalent of the Yugo of Yugoslavia. It had a two-stage engine sort of like a lawnmower or chainsaw.

    >the dark consequences of reunification.
    Also, please tell me more?…

    Of the whole former Warsaw Pact, East Germany easily has the worst demographics from a nationalist perspective, the greatest percentage of non-Euros are living there. They were moved there by the federal government, probably in large measure, to fight homogeneity. I think I have expressed my feelings before on the trajectory of Germany, and many other places in Europe.

    There were negative aspects to living in East Germany, but still, in the longterm, I think it was a system that was moderating. East Germans I have talked to who grew up there mostly had neutral to weakly positive views of it.

    In the long term, I suspect that West Germany, now the federal republic, has the more sinister form of government. It already has a lot of tangible parallels with the East. Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing. Security state: the state apparatus acknowledges that they spy on dissent, and it is not uncommon for people to be brought before the police, for saying things or being suspected of saying them. (they may not have paper files as big as the Stazi did, but what if you counted digital info, automatically recorded?) There are definitely parallels to employment – if you go against the state narrative, it affects your prospects.

    The new Germany has existential problems (what else could an honest look at trends say?), but they are not even allowed to articulate them. I doubt East Germans would have been so enthused about reunification, if they had understood the future of Germany.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    Ostalgia. well...what about Westalgia? Bonn was a beautiful in the 1980s. The best capital the Germans have enjoyed. Perhaps it ought to be made the capital again.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They still have them in North Korea.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/1d/ba/e81dbae123ebccde9fbc044a1746f48d.jpg

    This is not something I would be wistful at. I suppose its better than working in a coal mine or a sugar cane field though if you think that might maybe count for something.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
     
    A friend of mine has a very high IQ daughter that goes to a specialized school for very gifted children. I paid them a visit recently, and the girl had an interesting collection of rocks on display. I'm thinking of giving her a beautiful piece of AZ petrified wood, I think that it would blow her mind!

    https://static3.lot-art.com/public/upl/20/Petrified-Conifer-Slab-Araucaria-Triassic-Chinle-Formation-Arizona-USA_1622323579_1708.jpg

    David Hasselhoff "looking for freedom" in all of the wrong places as did Mick Jagger who couldn't "get any satisfaction". After you've tried all the substitutes for the real thing that the world has to offer, you'll find that only the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord can provide you with these sorts of things.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Beckow
    @songbird


    ...Germany has...Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing
     
    Very good point. The self-loathing aspect of the current Western indoctrination is something new and scary. For all their faults and shallowness the previous propaganda systems were self-affirming: a celebration of self with optimism and smiles - maybe forced and often fake, but essentially harmless.

    The current Western self-loathing is not managed by the same people as the people it is aimed at: this is an alien imported propaganda that is meant to dismantle the society and create a new easier-managed society.

    Liberals are dead-ender nuts and their self-hatred is unbound. Early on in the liberal ascendance a certifiable lunatic, Louis Saint-Just, yelled during the French Revolution: "No freedom for the enemies of freedom!!!"

    A more stupid and self-denying statement would be hard to find - and yet it summarizes the current liberal hysteria in the West. It also shows the mental cul-de-sac where these morons reside.

    Replies: @A123

  551. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    >driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
    >Sounds interesting, tell me more?…
     
    Curious exotica - afraid I don't know much more than the video. I adduce it mainly as very circumstantial evidence that East Germany had the highest standard of living in the Eastern Bloc. Mentioned once before that they had the highest meat consumption.

    The Pioneers were something like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, only by the end of communism, 98% of Ossie children were members. (though I guess the tanks were for just for a small, elite group of them) They were really tied into the schools, and not joining them may have been bad for your career prospects. Don't know a great deal about them, but reading the wiki about them is quite interesting. In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Pioneer_Organisation

    The engine for the "tanks" evidently came from the Trabant which was the famous, jalopy of East Germany, the rough equivalent of the Yugo of Yugoslavia. It had a two-stage engine sort of like a lawnmower or chainsaw.


    >the dark consequences of reunification.
    Also, please tell me more?…
     
    Of the whole former Warsaw Pact, East Germany easily has the worst demographics from a nationalist perspective, the greatest percentage of non-Euros are living there. They were moved there by the federal government, probably in large measure, to fight homogeneity. I think I have expressed my feelings before on the trajectory of Germany, and many other places in Europe.

    There were negative aspects to living in East Germany, but still, in the longterm, I think it was a system that was moderating. East Germans I have talked to who grew up there mostly had neutral to weakly positive views of it.

    In the long term, I suspect that West Germany, now the federal republic, has the more sinister form of government. It already has a lot of tangible parallels with the East. Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing. Security state: the state apparatus acknowledges that they spy on dissent, and it is not uncommon for people to be brought before the police, for saying things or being suspected of saying them. (they may not have paper files as big as the Stazi did, but what if you counted digital info, automatically recorded?) There are definitely parallels to employment - if you go against the state narrative, it affects your prospects.

    The new Germany has existential problems (what else could an honest look at trends say?), but they are not even allowed to articulate them. I doubt East Germans would have been so enthused about reunification, if they had understood the future of Germany.

    https://youtu.be/cJ2Sgd9sc0M

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    Ostalgia. well…what about Westalgia? Bonn was a beautiful in the 1980s. The best capital the Germans have enjoyed. Perhaps it ought to be made the capital again.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wokechoke

    There are many good things to recommend Bonn as the seat of the German government. To wit:

    Bonn is quite close to the Lacher See caldera. Definitely within range, if it blows. First it would be buried in ash, and then flooded, after the Rhine is damned with magma.

    But hopefully not before Merkel moves her office there too.

  552. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1541111267468918790

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Triteleia Laxa

    Those windows could be photoshopped with Russian tanks outside. On each side of the frame the half silhouette of a Donbas Novorussian with flag patch.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Wokechoke

    photograph is begging for manipulation.

  553. @Wokechoke
    @Mikhail

    Those windows could be photoshopped with Russian tanks outside. On each side of the frame the half silhouette of a Donbas Novorussian with flag patch.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    photograph is begging for manipulation.

  554. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1541111267468918790

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, “Mikhail” look to competence from some groomer sex tourist, and not the leaders of the most successful countries in the world.

    Makes sense.

    And anyone who disagrees with you is a “troll.”

    What a worldview!

    I wonder if you have the abstract thinking skills to extrapolate from your thought process here to everything else and what that must do to you as a person?

    Mindf*cked.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    People like to throw around the term “autistic” as an insult but he seems to really have that problem. He is socially clueless, concrete, has some subtle problems with language (and failed to even learn Russian despite being descended from Russian Whites, who when unimpaired unlike Mikhail have been able to preserve the Russian language across the generations), is boring, never married and has no kids.

    Because of this, I don’t bother interacting with him as much as I do with more interesting characters.

    I sort of give him a pass regarding his pro-Russian stance, it’s his ancestral homeland after all and he doesn’t get subtleties and problems. As a Russian White he is inherently better than a Bolshevik spawn.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    , @Mikhail
    @Triteleia Laxa

    In your case, that's an appropriate characterization.

  555. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    >driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
    >Sounds interesting, tell me more?…
     
    Curious exotica - afraid I don't know much more than the video. I adduce it mainly as very circumstantial evidence that East Germany had the highest standard of living in the Eastern Bloc. Mentioned once before that they had the highest meat consumption.

    The Pioneers were something like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, only by the end of communism, 98% of Ossie children were members. (though I guess the tanks were for just for a small, elite group of them) They were really tied into the schools, and not joining them may have been bad for your career prospects. Don't know a great deal about them, but reading the wiki about them is quite interesting. In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Pioneer_Organisation

    The engine for the "tanks" evidently came from the Trabant which was the famous, jalopy of East Germany, the rough equivalent of the Yugo of Yugoslavia. It had a two-stage engine sort of like a lawnmower or chainsaw.


    >the dark consequences of reunification.
    Also, please tell me more?…
     
    Of the whole former Warsaw Pact, East Germany easily has the worst demographics from a nationalist perspective, the greatest percentage of non-Euros are living there. They were moved there by the federal government, probably in large measure, to fight homogeneity. I think I have expressed my feelings before on the trajectory of Germany, and many other places in Europe.

    There were negative aspects to living in East Germany, but still, in the longterm, I think it was a system that was moderating. East Germans I have talked to who grew up there mostly had neutral to weakly positive views of it.

    In the long term, I suspect that West Germany, now the federal republic, has the more sinister form of government. It already has a lot of tangible parallels with the East. Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing. Security state: the state apparatus acknowledges that they spy on dissent, and it is not uncommon for people to be brought before the police, for saying things or being suspected of saying them. (they may not have paper files as big as the Stazi did, but what if you counted digital info, automatically recorded?) There are definitely parallels to employment - if you go against the state narrative, it affects your prospects.

    The new Germany has existential problems (what else could an honest look at trends say?), but they are not even allowed to articulate them. I doubt East Germans would have been so enthused about reunification, if they had understood the future of Germany.

    https://youtu.be/cJ2Sgd9sc0M

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    They still have them in North Korea.

    This is not something I would be wistful at. I suppose its better than working in a coal mine or a sugar cane field though if you think that might maybe count for something.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    North Korea is a horse of a different color. And it is not necessarily far outside local historical norms. "Hermit Kingdom" was actually coined to describe Korea, when it had its own king. And before that, didn't they once burn foreign sailors alive?


    Boy Scouts in Seattle recently marched carrying the flag of the homintern:
    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1541154337891799041?s=20&t=IZMlh0gCSJOGJy5yfWCCwQ

    Replies: @S

  556. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    99.999% of Ukrainians are not “neo-Nazis”. The president and prime minister of Ukraine are Jewish, you dodo bird.
     
    I never denied that the overwhelming majority of that group aren't neo-Nazis you idiot. The neo-Nazis nonetheless have disproportionate influence in Kiev regime controlled Ukraine.

    Your reliance on such stupid and non-existant memes to support your support of bloodthirsty and Ukrainophobic Russian incursions into Ukraine, only points to the flimsiness and paucity of justification for your insane reasoning.
     
    Howard Cosell like prose, denying Kiev regime culpability.

    Read and learn if you can. Your svido insults reveal a feeble mind, lacking in the ability to engage in earnest discourse, thereby further substantiating what I've said.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/04052022-sergey-lavrovs-comments-about-jews-oped/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Lavrov’s anti-semitic remarks were so damaging that even Putler himself had to come out of his most recent hiatus and try and whitewash his top minister’s incredible faux-paus. Hopefully you loaned them some of that “ethnic-cleanser” that you’ve been using lately?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    He didn't make an anti-Jewish remark as noted.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/04052022-sergey-lavrovs-comments-about-jews-oped/

    Putin's reported apology was along the lines of what's noted in the above piece, having to do with a presentation being negatively taken in a way that wasn't intended by Lavrov.

    Replies: @A123

  557. @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    Ostalgia. well...what about Westalgia? Bonn was a beautiful in the 1980s. The best capital the Germans have enjoyed. Perhaps it ought to be made the capital again.

    Replies: @songbird

    There are many good things to recommend Bonn as the seat of the German government. To wit:

    Bonn is quite close to the Lacher See caldera. Definitely within range, if it blows. First it would be buried in ash, and then flooded, after the Rhine is damned with magma.

    But hopefully not before Merkel moves her office there too.

  558. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    No, that's because in big cities most people live in apartment buildings, because it's more convenient and less expensive. Some countries do not have big cities, or have one or two, so most people live in villages and small towns, where it doesn't make sense to build high buildings, because the place isn't big and the land is cheap.

    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn't add to privacy at all. The best privacy is in a condo on a high floor, plus you get a nice view and fresh air. A lot of people prefer to live in apartments, including some rich people.


    I doubt that a two story townhouse is the same size as a condo in a large building.
     
    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that's for middle class people.

    https://i.postimg.cc/pdG1Fwt0/British-townhouse.jpg

    Replies: @Coconuts, @AP

    Coconuts caught you in yet another lie. You presented a working class or lower middle class townhouse as a typical townhouse when it was not so.

    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn’t add to privacy at all

    In a townhouse’s yard, one can be seen by the two neighbors when relaxing outside, having a barbecue and eating in one’s backyard yard, etc. People living in large buildings must do these things in public parks or in the yard of the building complexes, which involves far less privacy.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    Coconuts caught you in yet another lie. You presented a working class or lower middle class townhouse as a typical townhouse when it was not so.
     
    Coconut said something, and that something doesn't mean anything, like much of what you say as well. You calling me a liar doesn't make me a liar.

    Britain's new-build homes are the smallest in Western Europe and many are too small for family life, says a new report by the Royal Institute of British Architects.

    The largest "double bedroom" is just 3.4m by 2.5m, with barely enough room for a double bed. The other two bedrooms are even smaller and downstairs the picture is the same.

    The floor area of the average new three-bedroom home in the UK is 88 sq m – some 8 sq m short of its recommended space.

    And houses are getting smaller. The average UK home – including older and new-build properties is 85 sq m and has 5.2 rooms - with an average area of 16.3 sq m per room.

    In comparison the average new home in the UK is 76 sq ms and has 4.8 rooms with an average area of 15.8 sq m per room.
     
    'Shoebox homes' become the UK norm
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-14916580
  559. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikhail

    Yes, "Mikhail" look to competence from some groomer sex tourist, and not the leaders of the most successful countries in the world.

    Makes sense.

    And anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll."

    What a worldview!

    I wonder if you have the abstract thinking skills to extrapolate from your thought process here to everything else and what that must do to you as a person?

    Mindf*cked.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    People like to throw around the term “autistic” as an insult but he seems to really have that problem. He is socially clueless, concrete, has some subtle problems with language (and failed to even learn Russian despite being descended from Russian Whites, who when unimpaired unlike Mikhail have been able to preserve the Russian language across the generations), is boring, never married and has no kids.

    Because of this, I don’t bother interacting with him as much as I do with more interesting characters.

    I sort of give him a pass regarding his pro-Russian stance, it’s his ancestral homeland after all and he doesn’t get subtleties and problems. As a Russian White he is inherently better than a Bolshevik spawn.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    is boring, never married and has no kids.
     
    I've been married, so has that freed me from the curse of being labelled "boring"? :-)

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mikhail
    @AP

    So says the sugar coated svido in you with a bizarre mix of some non-svido traits, making you the more preferable in this imperfect world. Like the Kiev regime, you're great at negative projection - you wild, crazy and happening not boor.

    Keep confusing supposed language proficiency with having a good practical knowledge of other issues like history and foreign policy.

  560. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    >driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
    >Sounds interesting, tell me more?…
     
    Curious exotica - afraid I don't know much more than the video. I adduce it mainly as very circumstantial evidence that East Germany had the highest standard of living in the Eastern Bloc. Mentioned once before that they had the highest meat consumption.

    The Pioneers were something like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, only by the end of communism, 98% of Ossie children were members. (though I guess the tanks were for just for a small, elite group of them) They were really tied into the schools, and not joining them may have been bad for your career prospects. Don't know a great deal about them, but reading the wiki about them is quite interesting. In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Pioneer_Organisation

    The engine for the "tanks" evidently came from the Trabant which was the famous, jalopy of East Germany, the rough equivalent of the Yugo of Yugoslavia. It had a two-stage engine sort of like a lawnmower or chainsaw.


    >the dark consequences of reunification.
    Also, please tell me more?…
     
    Of the whole former Warsaw Pact, East Germany easily has the worst demographics from a nationalist perspective, the greatest percentage of non-Euros are living there. They were moved there by the federal government, probably in large measure, to fight homogeneity. I think I have expressed my feelings before on the trajectory of Germany, and many other places in Europe.

    There were negative aspects to living in East Germany, but still, in the longterm, I think it was a system that was moderating. East Germans I have talked to who grew up there mostly had neutral to weakly positive views of it.

    In the long term, I suspect that West Germany, now the federal republic, has the more sinister form of government. It already has a lot of tangible parallels with the East. Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing. Security state: the state apparatus acknowledges that they spy on dissent, and it is not uncommon for people to be brought before the police, for saying things or being suspected of saying them. (they may not have paper files as big as the Stazi did, but what if you counted digital info, automatically recorded?) There are definitely parallels to employment - if you go against the state narrative, it affects your prospects.

    The new Germany has existential problems (what else could an honest look at trends say?), but they are not even allowed to articulate them. I doubt East Germans would have been so enthused about reunification, if they had understood the future of Germany.

    https://youtu.be/cJ2Sgd9sc0M

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)

    A friend of mine has a very high IQ daughter that goes to a specialized school for very gifted children. I paid them a visit recently, and the girl had an interesting collection of rocks on display. I’m thinking of giving her a beautiful piece of AZ petrified wood, I think that it would blow her mind!

    David Hasselhoff “looking for freedom” in all of the wrong places as did Mick Jagger who couldn’t “get any satisfaction”. After you’ve tried all the substitutes for the real thing that the world has to offer, you’ll find that only the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord can provide you with these sorts of things.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    There is a nice little park outside the Museum of Science (forget whether in Cambridge or Boston, but the museum spans the line), open to pedestrians that has different, special boulders from allover the world, some of them quite remarkable-looking. Once found a big chunk of green rock (about 50 pounds) that was exactly the same as one of them, in the same area one of the boulders had come from.

    When I was a boy, someone gave me what was billed as a piece of dinosaur coprolite. Still don't know whether it was a joke or a scam or real, and I still have another rock that I picked up along a dirt road when I was about 10 or 11.


    David Hasselhoff “looking for freedom” in all of the wrong places as did Mick Jagger who couldn’t “get any satisfaction”.
     
    Definitely a sad element to his tale, as seems to be the case with many in the entertainment world, including others who were on his TV show.
  561. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    They still have them in North Korea.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e8/1d/ba/e81dbae123ebccde9fbc044a1746f48d.jpg

    This is not something I would be wistful at. I suppose its better than working in a coal mine or a sugar cane field though if you think that might maybe count for something.

    Replies: @songbird

    North Korea is a horse of a different color. And it is not necessarily far outside local historical norms. “Hermit Kingdom” was actually coined to describe Korea, when it had its own king. And before that, didn’t they once burn foreign sailors alive?

    [MORE]

    Boy Scouts in Seattle recently marched carrying the flag of the homintern:

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Boy Scouts in Seattle recently marched carrying the flag of the homintern:
     
    I thought the BSA (Boy Scouts of America) was bankrupt and now defunct with all those sex abuse charges. I guess not.

    Anyhow, Sir Baden Powell and his sister Agnes, founders of the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides respectively in Britain, would no doubt be appalled.

    While where on the subject, below is a pic of a mass rally of eleven thousand Boy Scouts held in 1909 at the Crystal Palace in London. Several hundred young girls of about the same age (in scout uniforms) would crash the party and demand the right to participate in similar activities.

    They soon got their wish with the Girl Guides [See pic at bottom from July, 1965 of the old and new British Girl Guide uniforms.] And, no, despite early concerns that they were to be an 'Amazon Cadet Corps', they would both have the opportunity to experience adventure to their hearts content and simultaneously retain a healthy femininity about themselves, just as the boys got to experience adventure and retain a healthy masculinity...well, at least for many a long year. :-)



    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/1909_Crystal_Palace_Scout_Rally.png


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    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Guides
  562. @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    People like to throw around the term “autistic” as an insult but he seems to really have that problem. He is socially clueless, concrete, has some subtle problems with language (and failed to even learn Russian despite being descended from Russian Whites, who when unimpaired unlike Mikhail have been able to preserve the Russian language across the generations), is boring, never married and has no kids.

    Because of this, I don’t bother interacting with him as much as I do with more interesting characters.

    I sort of give him a pass regarding his pro-Russian stance, it’s his ancestral homeland after all and he doesn’t get subtleties and problems. As a Russian White he is inherently better than a Bolshevik spawn.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    is boring, never married and has no kids.

    I’ve been married, so has that freed me from the curse of being labelled “boring”? 🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Those two are not linked to each other

  563. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    This war has gone on too long. The Russian state is doomed, unless we save it, but who knows how?

    Reality has been checked and Russia’s “near abroad” of legitimate interests has been found. It is limited to the environs of the Donbas. This does not mean that they can indefinitely hold it, but Russia can genuinely assert itself over that area.

    The problem for the Russian state is that this very limited “sphere” is about a hundredth of the fantasy that they sold the Russian public on prior to the war. You can’t claim a “permanent reality of power” over an entire region of a continent when you’re unable to even take Kharkhiv. The Russian state has, in the only instance I know if it happening, called its own bluff.

    What’s worse is that it is far from clear that Russia can hold the Donbas. After securing most of its population in 2014, Russia presided over its collapse to even greater corruption, general criminality and, by the beginning of this year, there was no longer even the hint of development. This is not a recipe for gaining the consent of the governed and now Russia wants to hold even more land, and the state of it is immeasurably worse.

    Some Russian partisans still hope to enforce a peace on Ukraine, and they escape into some fantasy that the Russian military, despite being unable to advance more than about 1km a day, has completely destroyed the Ukrainian army, though somehow they don’t remember making the same statement ritually throughout the last 4 months!

    But even if Russia do manage to force a peace on Ukraine, a country where Zelenskyy was the extreme liberal who tried everything to find peace with Putin, and the rest of Ukraine was, at the least, intensely skeptical but dreaming, Russia will merely being jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

    Millions of Ukrainians now have some degree of firearms training, access to kit, a visceral hatred of Russian occupation and an absolute certainty that Russia cannot conquer Ukraine. Russian occupying forces in the Donbas will be like Turkeys, stuffed alive into a barrel, and shot out from short range with light machine guns. Only the continuation of conventional warfare saves them, as it gives a “more honourable” outlet for brave Ukrainians to defend their homeland.

    So what does all of this mean? The Russian state has not built its legitimacy on economic development. There’s been little of that for a decade. Nor does it build itself on democracy. Everyone is in on that joke. Instead, it builds itself on Russia maintaining its great power status, which Russia has now decisively lost. Russia has even less ability to assert itself over Kyiv than Israel does over Damascus. It is now a pariah in its own region and one that people only pay lip service to because it can still strike with missiles or bombs.

    In other words, the Russian state is already dead. Its life support is that the Russian people cling to it in legitimate fear of what will happen when it collapses, and so blindly hope in some sort of miracle in this war. Securing a ceasefire for the Donbas would be a miracle, but not nearly on the scale that would count. And so, I see the future with foreboding. Russia is brain-dead. It cannot change course, but it cannot succeed on its course. So what to do?

    Bullsh*t baffles brains, but the least bullsh*t end to this carnage is for a ceasefire, a scheduled, neutrally administed plebiscite in the Donbas, another one in Crimea, both to take place on a year’s time, and for Ukraine to be able to make whatever sovreign decisions it wants about which international bodies to join. Sorry Russia, that ship has sailed.

    The reason for this is that it extends the time until reality asserts itself. The Russian state can maintain order by focussing its people on the plebiscites, even though if Donbas were just ceded to Russia, the Russian people would be aghast at the pointlessness of the war. Time can adjust people to much lower expectations.

    The problem is what happens when reality does assert itself and Russia inevitably loses the plebiscites? What humiliation then?

    This is where bullsh*t baffles brains becomes mandatory. In the year after the ceasefire, and after, every Western institution needs to do everything it can to legitimise the Russian state. Pomp, fanfare and circumstance should accompany endless Russian receptions in Western capitals. Great conferences must be held to plan out the future. All sanctions must be dropped. Will this be enough? It has to be, because there is no other option, and failure will be awful.

    But why not just let Russia collapse in its own hubris, lies, ashes and envy?

    Because we care and we want Russia and Russians to thrive. There’s no place for vindictiveness in the human future. Vindictiveness, bitterness and resentment is what caused Russia to invade Ukraine. The Russian state can survive their own tragedy and the Russian people can avoid the 90s on steroids, but only if we can salvage their pride for them through generous use of the limelight. Russia’s real status as a regional power has been revealed and its sphere is measured in kilometres not countries.

    But is there anyone with power in Russia possessing the courage to take this life raft? To end their pointless, self-destroying savagery in East Ukraine? Who knows? In their relentless propaganda, their absurdly inflated self-regard, it seems they have mostly succeeded in only mindf*cking themselves and instead will gloatingly cheer on their one way journey into oblivion.

    Imagine a poker player, pompously implying that they have a Royal Flush, attempting to bully the other players into submission, but then calling their own bluff to reveal a Jack high. This is what Russia has done, and the consequences look to be enormous. Their entire mental state has been bet on a war that they cannot win, don’t even know what winning looks like and involves nothing more than the murder of their neighbours. Just like blacks with their Juneteenth and black history month, and gays with their Pride, we’ll need to work up some charity showbusiness for the Russians. Their fragile egos will need stroking, so they don’t go beserk and burn down their own cities. The Western burden only gets heavier. Perhaps, eventually, China will help, as an actual partner to an improved world. We should have been finding some way to deal with the future African population explosion, but instead we’re stuck dealing with Russia’s cruel and empty pride.

    It is very pathetic when you think about it. Russia thought it was a great power. Within a week of testing their hypothesis, they found out that they were not, but rather than reassess their future, they just blindly doubled down to their doom. The causes of this war really are that simple. A neat tragedy of pride before fall. How embarrassing.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A great comment, although I don't agree with all of your predictions. Mostly the one dealing with Russia losing a plebiscite in both Crimea and Donbas. I have to get ready to go to work, so I can't spend anymore time here. Have a nice day!

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It must have taken you some time to come up with this bulls..t narative: Russia is lost, they will lose, we like them (well not really), but let's pretend. Even if they win, they will really lose...just wait for the urban guerillas in Kiev that start popping out of each sewer.

    What I see is a change in the Western narrative based on some very obvious lies:

    - Russia has taken over 20% of Ukraine - a territory about the size of England. You call that "1km/day". You either don't know how to count or you consciously lie.

    - Nato is gone from Ukraine and probably permanently. To claim that Ukraine is effectively now in Nato would be like claiming that Iraq, Afghanistan, or north-east corner of Syria are in Nato. Sure, if it makes your pain better.

    - Regarding bluffing, they all bluffed: Kiev, Russia, Nato. Let's see how it has worked out: Kiev is losing a war because they bluffed that Russia won't attack. Russia is winning this war, so where is their lost bet? Nato is stalling and maybe even happy: it is the Ukies whoa re dying and they can always try a new narrative - as you do here.

    It is not over, but so far Russia is winning on points: they have the Black See coast, Mariupol, Kherson, their economy has survived and ruble is the best performing currency of 2022, up 35% against Euro. They are making more money selling less stuff than ever before.

    The dream of endless Ukie resistance is how people who are losing medicate themselves. I sincerely hope it works for you, it could be very ugly in the next few months.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  564. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
     
    A friend of mine has a very high IQ daughter that goes to a specialized school for very gifted children. I paid them a visit recently, and the girl had an interesting collection of rocks on display. I'm thinking of giving her a beautiful piece of AZ petrified wood, I think that it would blow her mind!

    https://static3.lot-art.com/public/upl/20/Petrified-Conifer-Slab-Araucaria-Triassic-Chinle-Formation-Arizona-USA_1622323579_1708.jpg

    David Hasselhoff "looking for freedom" in all of the wrong places as did Mick Jagger who couldn't "get any satisfaction". After you've tried all the substitutes for the real thing that the world has to offer, you'll find that only the acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord can provide you with these sorts of things.

    Replies: @songbird

    There is a nice little park outside the Museum of Science (forget whether in Cambridge or Boston, but the museum spans the line), open to pedestrians that has different, special boulders from allover the world, some of them quite remarkable-looking. Once found a big chunk of green rock (about 50 pounds) that was exactly the same as one of them, in the same area one of the boulders had come from.

    When I was a boy, someone gave me what was billed as a piece of dinosaur coprolite. Still don’t know whether it was a joke or a scam or real, and I still have another rock that I picked up along a dirt road when I was about 10 or 11.

    David Hasselhoff “looking for freedom” in all of the wrong places as did Mick Jagger who couldn’t “get any satisfaction”.

    Definitely a sad element to his tale, as seems to be the case with many in the entertainment world, including others who were on his TV show.

  565. @Triteleia Laxa
    This war has gone on too long. The Russian state is doomed, unless we save it, but who knows how?

    Reality has been checked and Russia's "near abroad" of legitimate interests has been found. It is limited to the environs of the Donbas. This does not mean that they can indefinitely hold it, but Russia can genuinely assert itself over that area.

    The problem for the Russian state is that this very limited "sphere" is about a hundredth of the fantasy that they sold the Russian public on prior to the war. You can't claim a "permanent reality of power" over an entire region of a continent when you're unable to even take Kharkhiv. The Russian state has, in the only instance I know if it happening, called its own bluff.

    What's worse is that it is far from clear that Russia can hold the Donbas. After securing most of its population in 2014, Russia presided over its collapse to even greater corruption, general criminality and, by the beginning of this year, there was no longer even the hint of development. This is not a recipe for gaining the consent of the governed and now Russia wants to hold even more land, and the state of it is immeasurably worse.

    Some Russian partisans still hope to enforce a peace on Ukraine, and they escape into some fantasy that the Russian military, despite being unable to advance more than about 1km a day, has completely destroyed the Ukrainian army, though somehow they don't remember making the same statement ritually throughout the last 4 months!

    But even if Russia do manage to force a peace on Ukraine, a country where Zelenskyy was the extreme liberal who tried everything to find peace with Putin, and the rest of Ukraine was, at the least, intensely skeptical but dreaming, Russia will merely being jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

    Millions of Ukrainians now have some degree of firearms training, access to kit, a visceral hatred of Russian occupation and an absolute certainty that Russia cannot conquer Ukraine. Russian occupying forces in the Donbas will be like Turkeys, stuffed alive into a barrel, and shot out from short range with light machine guns. Only the continuation of conventional warfare saves them, as it gives a "more honourable" outlet for brave Ukrainians to defend their homeland.

    So what does all of this mean? The Russian state has not built its legitimacy on economic development. There's been little of that for a decade. Nor does it build itself on democracy. Everyone is in on that joke. Instead, it builds itself on Russia maintaining its great power status, which Russia has now decisively lost. Russia has even less ability to assert itself over Kyiv than Israel does over Damascus. It is now a pariah in its own region and one that people only pay lip service to because it can still strike with missiles or bombs.

    In other words, the Russian state is already dead. Its life support is that the Russian people cling to it in legitimate fear of what will happen when it collapses, and so blindly hope in some sort of miracle in this war. Securing a ceasefire for the Donbas would be a miracle, but not nearly on the scale that would count. And so, I see the future with foreboding. Russia is brain-dead. It cannot change course, but it cannot succeed on its course. So what to do?

    Bullsh*t baffles brains, but the least bullsh*t end to this carnage is for a ceasefire, a scheduled, neutrally administed plebiscite in the Donbas, another one in Crimea, both to take place on a year's time, and for Ukraine to be able to make whatever sovreign decisions it wants about which international bodies to join. Sorry Russia, that ship has sailed.

    The reason for this is that it extends the time until reality asserts itself. The Russian state can maintain order by focussing its people on the plebiscites, even though if Donbas were just ceded to Russia, the Russian people would be aghast at the pointlessness of the war. Time can adjust people to much lower expectations.

    The problem is what happens when reality does assert itself and Russia inevitably loses the plebiscites? What humiliation then?

    This is where bullsh*t baffles brains becomes mandatory. In the year after the ceasefire, and after, every Western institution needs to do everything it can to legitimise the Russian state. Pomp, fanfare and circumstance should accompany endless Russian receptions in Western capitals. Great conferences must be held to plan out the future. All sanctions must be dropped. Will this be enough? It has to be, because there is no other option, and failure will be awful.

    But why not just let Russia collapse in its own hubris, lies, ashes and envy?

    Because we care and we want Russia and Russians to thrive. There's no place for vindictiveness in the human future. Vindictiveness, bitterness and resentment is what caused Russia to invade Ukraine. The Russian state can survive their own tragedy and the Russian people can avoid the 90s on steroids, but only if we can salvage their pride for them through generous use of the limelight. Russia's real status as a regional power has been revealed and its sphere is measured in kilometres not countries.

    But is there anyone with power in Russia possessing the courage to take this life raft? To end their pointless, self-destroying savagery in East Ukraine? Who knows? In their relentless propaganda, their absurdly inflated self-regard, it seems they have mostly succeeded in only mindf*cking themselves and instead will gloatingly cheer on their one way journey into oblivion.

    Imagine a poker player, pompously implying that they have a Royal Flush, attempting to bully the other players into submission, but then calling their own bluff to reveal a Jack high. This is what Russia has done, and the consequences look to be enormous. Their entire mental state has been bet on a war that they cannot win, don't even know what winning looks like and involves nothing more than the murder of their neighbours. Just like blacks with their Juneteenth and black history month, and gays with their Pride, we'll need to work up some charity showbusiness for the Russians. Their fragile egos will need stroking, so they don't go beserk and burn down their own cities. The Western burden only gets heavier. Perhaps, eventually, China will help, as an actual partner to an improved world. We should have been finding some way to deal with the future African population explosion, but instead we're stuck dealing with Russia's cruel and empty pride.

    It is very pathetic when you think about it. Russia thought it was a great power. Within a week of testing their hypothesis, they found out that they were not, but rather than reassess their future, they just blindly doubled down to their doom. The causes of this war really are that simple. A neat tragedy of pride before fall. How embarrassing.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    A great comment, although I don’t agree with all of your predictions. Mostly the one dealing with Russia losing a plebiscite in both Crimea and Donbas. I have to get ready to go to work, so I can’t spend anymore time here. Have a nice day!

  566. @LatW
    @Beckow


    but had Western bands regularly touring our big cities (not always the best)
     
    Afaik, very few of the best ones came. Probably one of the most famous events was "Hungarian Rhapsody: Queen Live in Budapest" in 1986, my dad really enjoyed the video of that concert and used to play it a lot. Probably one of the reasons this concert is so famous is not only the quality of the performance, but that it was so rare.

    A lot was bootlegged, all the way into the 90s, at least in the Baltic States, also places like St Pete. To get an original vinyl of a band you liked was very rare and very awesome (according to my dad). My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a "magnetophone", lol), and decent locally made speakers. Btw, I saw that you spoke about phones not being available back in the 1980s in every apartment. This was not the case in the Baltic States -- phones were widely available even in small towns and villages at least in the early 1980s (possibly earlier). There were TVs on the country side, too, alas, only with 3 channels. My dad told me he regularly watched hockey games in mid or late 60s as a young boy. Not even in the city but in a very small town.

    Anyway, just data, don't particularly think this is some big achievement. To have a phone and decent speakers in a place 3 hours away from the city in the early 1980s is just not a big achievement by any civilizational standards. Americans had large homes, fancy hotels, vehicles, etc. You can see from the 1950s movies what they had, they were rich already then. But America probably was richer than Western Europe even then.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Beckow

    …very few of the best ones came

    That is true about all of provincial Europe, we are not Berlin-London-Paris. But you are right, even fewer than should had come, probably because they didn’t want to and because of because ‘commie government’. Most likely both. My parents have a ticket they saved from a Beach Boys 1969 concert in Bratislava (they didn’t think much of the music).

    The idiotic Western meme ‘but you banned Beatles!!!!‘ is so stupid that one almost doesn’t want to respond. Old geezers raised on propaganda and not even realizing it. I almost welcome more AP’s industrious digging through the weeds for that one more percent to definitely prove to himself that in 1985 N Jersey was better than Prague. Sure it was, if he stayed indoors (big house!) and ate manufactured garbage for food. See what it did to him. Again, any society can only be judged on results, the people it produces.

    The housing actually works differently: it is the availability and cost that matters. The American way has been to move to the outburbs with an oversized mortgage, tell people to drive until they are blue in the face (and correspondingly more stupid), and a big freezer to store food for 6 months. Great life and AP will count the square meters and gallons of milk and declare: “we live better!” Do they really? Some do, others don’t. That was also the case 35 years ago.

    Socialist Eastern Europe was a successful, if a bit dull society – it had safety, basics provided for, families prospered, easy life, work wasn’t onerous, and it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about. AP doesn’t get it – he is a natural obedient conformist, as are most Western people.

    AP probably thinks that ‘freedom’ is staging an absurdist sketch on a street corner. It isn’t, the real freedom is how we live our lives – freedom at work, ease of housing, what we do with our time. He will never get it. But I thought you may.

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    even fewer than should had come, probably because they didn’t want to and because of because ‘commie government’. Most likely both.
     
    Well, if you're a Western artist, you're kind of a symbol of a free society, so it might be an issue for you to perform in a communist country. The communist government would send spies on them, invade their privacy, that's demeaning. You guys probably had it easier, they were lighter on you, but within the real USSR things were very strict. Even the local bands were heavily watched. There were also strict behavioral norms and dress codes (whether it's good or bad, I don't know, lol). Of course, many people managed to circumvent them and formed little subcultures. They're now publishing fancy photo albums about these hippy and other subcultures from way back the 70s or so.


    There were even lists of specific bands with specific descriptions of them, those came from Moscow mostly, in Russian. It's funny, they would label bands as "obscurantist", "satanic", "nationalistic".

    Btw, those speakers that my dad had and helped make, are still considered good by audio fanatics. That company had roots from 1920s (Radiotehnika from Riga) and was started during the independent republic (it was built based on private enterprise). It's not an authentic commie creation. And even with that, many guys in those days really dreamed about Western electronics. The first thing my dad did, as soon as he could, was buy a really fancy Canon camera. I don't know what the guys in the early and mid 80s would've given to go to one of those Western concerts.

    The idiotic Western meme ‘but you banned Beatles!!!!‘ is so stupid that one almost doesn’t want to respond.
     
    No, they didn't ban the Beatles, because the Beatles were already old school. But they did view with great suspicion the likes of Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, the Doors. Long hair on a man, of course. Jeans and bubble gum. I think if some of them had seen punk, they would've thought those musicians are crazy.

    All kinds of what they thought was questionable theater or movies (a lot of which was totally vanilla, maybe with just a few avant garde themes that might distract the youth). Even locally made. Again, not saying this is good or bad (some sh*t is so bad and useless it needs to be banned just so it doesn't ruin the ether).

    Forget anything published in the 1930s, no. Nationalism - a big no no (very painful). That was hidden away more than Black Sabbath. lol. Of course, people got away with enjoying all that but it's demeaning to be micromanaged to that extent.

    Old geezers raised on propaganda and not even realizing it
     
    No, I understand what you mean, it feels condescending. I don't care as much about that period, so I won't argue about it, it was over 30 years ago which is a long time, long enough to maybe view it somewhat indifferently. I'm more interested in the earlier stages of communism and the 1940s (granted, that's even more decades past). I believe that the West is objectively more developed, but it carries some negatives, so you rightfully point out certain things. I do, however, believe that one can gain freedom and ownership from efficiency vs dilly dallying.


    Again, any society can only be judged on results, the people it produces.
     
    Well, you have to take into the account the outside pressures, too. There were outside pressures on the people during the collapse of the USSR (as well as during those times), and there are outside pressures now from globalization on the lower classes in the Western societies. It doesn't mean it's those people's fault.

    The housing actually works differently: it is the availability and cost that matters. The American way has been to move to the outburbs with an oversized mortgage, tell people to drive until they are blue in the face (and correspondingly more stupid), and a big freezer to store food for 6 months.
     
    For housing, availability, cost and quality matter.

    Well, I like walkable spaces, so I could somewhat agree, although there are spaces like that in the US (in DC, for instance), but it's more expensive if you want to make sure you're isolated from the negatives. As to driving, Americans are very used to it and don't mind. They also need it to maintain the commerce the levels of which are much more saturated and intense than in Europe.

    Socialist Eastern Europe was a successful, if a bit dull society – it had safety, basics provided for, families prospered, easy life, work wasn’t onerous
     
    Maybe in your neck of woods, but in the real USSR it could be onerous sometimes. They worked more than we do now. I do respect that, hard work is honorable, but, unfortunately, the general productivity and efficiency was too low to provide everything that was needed to the desired standards.

    Even with good management nothing can replace private ownership -- a caring and diligent hand of an owner is the real guarantee that work will be completed well. That's the basics from my ideological background which is different than yours.

    Another thing, militarization and domination from the Kremlin. Effin' no, dude. No, thanks. There was no escaping draft (except for a few cases), and one can argue that draft is good because a man would come home at age 21 and he'd already be a real man, not someone who's stuck in adolescence forever like some men are these days (well, that's a timeless phenomenon, lol). But the truth is you're giving your time and youth to some Soviet army and in general it's pretty oppressive and not too motivating (except for certain types). Etc etc. But yea, I do agree that it was more "stable".

    The population grew partly because after the war there was a renewed sense of optimism and a lot of the old mores were still in place, people were not yet as urbanized, as selfish, in the Baltic States some families retained the old customs. Even if they didn't go to church, the norms that were transmitted through the family from older relatives, were still felt. Yes, the daycares helped but I doubt they were the reason. Remember also that during those periods, until the 1970s, there was a population boom across the whole white world.


    AP probably thinks that ‘freedom’ is staging an absurdist sketch on a street corner.
     
    Knowing him, he probably views freedom in metaphysical terms or as the Christian idea of "free will". Or something more absolutist. Definitely not through modern art, lol. That would be Dmitry, lol.


    It isn’t, the real freedom is how we live our lives – freedom at work, ease of housing, what we do with our time. He will never get it. But I thought you may.
     
    I do get it, very well. I've been thinking a lot recently about freedom (and about time). Are we really going to give it up? In some ways, in both of those societies, Western and communist, on the individual level, if one wanted, they could craft their own life in freedom, but they would have to give up some of the social restraints. The best way is to create your own path to freedom, set priorities when it comes to those things where duty is paramount and that one cannot compromise on, but the rest is the space where one can practice more freedom. In the West, you can gain a lot of freedom with money.

    Btw, the Soviet period was not as free as you say, although in some ways it was more free than now (family wasn't as regulated as now). That period was quite structured. As I mentioned, the military, all these other structures that people were pushed through, even those ridiculous May 1st parades.

    Btw, freedom is also one of the most important factors why we don't want Russia in. Russia tends to be either anarchic and crazy, or unduly strict and oppressive. That doesn't work for us. You may not see it because you wouldn't be affected by it.

    Sorry for the long text, I'm not good at gisting.
    , @Thulean Friend
    @Beckow


    it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about
     
    Interestingly, even today Slovakia is one of the most equal countries in the world (when we include wealth inequality in our measurement).

    https://twitter.com/brankomilan/status/1334335047550242817

    There's something in the water in your country, which seems to transgress political systems.

    Replies: @Beckow

  567. @LatW
    @Beckow


    You didn’t answer my question: “is this better?”
     
    The question was posed in a somewhat dubious way - you're assuming that it's somehow ok that a much larger country meddles in another countries domestic affairs (and meddles violently) and then if it can't get its way, starts mass murdering the smaller country's citizens and raizing their cities. You're kind of just shrugging it off saying "Oh, that's just life. Your choice". Well, if you are ok accepting barbarism, then that works. So if hypothetically, 3M Hungarians moved to Slovakia and started bossing Slovaks around and if they didn't submit, they'd start beating them up, we'd just say "Oh, that's just life, buddy. Just accept and get used to it." That's just very primitive.


    If Russia was not serious about Minsk, why didn’t Kiev call their bluff?
     
    They did countless times, over and over. Arestovych was saying for months, if not years, that Donbass is needed as a means for Russia to control Ukraine externally.


    The stuff about “fraternizing border guards” is nonsense – it means nothing in the big picture. Over time any country can assert control over its “autonomous” regions,
     
    Please, stop being duplicitous -- the moment Kyiv were to start "asserting control" over Donbas, the likes of you would start screeching about overreach. Kyiv did have plans of trying to re-integrate Donbas, but this was a huge task that could only begin once they could get it back. Their plans mostly included being accepting towards the people whom they considered "our people", not some kind of intended punitive operation that the Russian press was accusing them of.

    And, no, the part about the border guards, people in power positions, especially with interior ministry like functions, is very important. Crucial even. Would you put those who are hostile towards your nation and who were recently shooting at your children in charge of a regional power? Especially if they are loyal to a hostile neighbor? They would have to go through a long process of selecting who is trustworthy or not, this could be done, but Ukraine wasn't even given a chance to do that.

    This is also a rather big region to be assimilated back. As I said, currently and before the war it was not at all comparable to a normal European autonomous region (the likes of which you constantly use as examples that they should strive to emulate). For example, the Faroe Islands do not object to the Danish dominion. Their representatives are together with the Danish representatives at the Nordic Council and are very friendly to everyone in the region, it would be a long way before that were the case with Donbas (but may have been achieved eventually). Plus, there is usually no larger country with an agenda behind the autonomous region in the European examples, but here we have Russia.

    Well, let me pose a question, too -- if Russia only cared about Donbas (and the "Russian speakers' rights" there), then why start a full scale war on the whole of Ukraine? Why not just annex Donbas? Fill it up with weapons and troops. If you're saying that Russia was worried about the expansion of NATO (and here I will agree that this is definitely a factor, although it's not just NATO, Russia was worried about losing an important buffer in general, they were not ok with the current establishment, regardless of NATO aspirations), and then if the West wants to ever , as in some hypothetical distant future as there were no immediate intentions to do that, use the territory of Ukraine to launch an attack on Russia, then Russia could easily use both the Donbas area, Crimea, Belarus as well as Kaliningrad (and possibly some points in the Arctic region) to pre-empt this attack. Would this not be sufficient? Indeed, this would be more than plenty. Assuming they have enough advanced weaponry. We do see now that they're not performing as strikingly as was expected, but they are making slow progress, so most likely they would be able to pre-empt a hypothetical (and not very likely) attack from the West from the positions described above.

    Think back to the ultimatum, the ultimatum was totally real (and quite scary actually). Their plan must have been to first issue the ultimatum - "NATO, please, pick up your belongings and get out of Eastern Europe (including the Warsaw Pact states)". Back to 1997 (lol, after all the investments that have been made, people have moved on). Remember how they demanded a written response in 72 hours. Then, if no response, they will start the military operation, expecting that Ukraine would quickly fold, they would take Kyiv, perform a military parade on Khreshchatyk (they had packed ceremonial uniforms with them during the Kyiv offensive) and then from that powerful position, they would threaten further. At that point, they could tell NATO to get the hell out or else we will go further. They were counting on NATO folding as well. This plan didn't work, so the plan B now is a slow and brutal elimination of Ukraine.

    How would your president feel if one day the Russians came to her and said "Hey, pretty Suzanna, Slovakia needs to leave NATO asap. Forget all those investments of 15 years, in fact, we'll be able to use them eventually, time to close that party and also we will decide how many active troops you're allowed to have in your country." How would she like that and would she even take that seriously?

    Anyway, yes, this is all water under the bridge, but it's important to understand Russia's motivation and be honest about it.

    Replies: @Beckow

    We don’t know anyone’s motivation, we can only guess. Motives also change over time. I prefer to look at what happens: there is as much likelihood that Nato was planning to turn Ukraine into a large military base threatening Russia as there is that Russia wanted to re-absorb all of Ukraine. Maybe, but we really have no way of knowing.

    3M Hungarians moved to Slovakia and started bossing Slovaks

    But that is not what happened in eastern-southern Ukraine: Russians (and others) have lived there since late 18th century, it is their home with their own language, culture, preferences for allies (unsurprisingly Mother Russia). They also didn’t boss anyone around, they won a few elections, lost some, they never demanded that the Ukrainian language be banned.

    You can’t make a fake ‘analogy‘ and proceed from it. This is a completely different situation and the Minsk compromise was the best available solution. But it would mean that Nato couldn’t immediately expand so they vetoed it, and the hapless Ukies went along. Now it will be decided by a war and most likely the Russian side will get more. Was that worth it? The dream of Nato bases that you refuse to address?

    Any central gment can over time water down local autonomy. They have the financial, career, administrative means to do it. It takes time, but Kiev could have – and most likely would have – slowly scaled back Donbas autonomy. You can always buy the local politicians. You insistence that it was’t possible is disingenuous – of course Kiev would be in a position to it.

    It would take time, maybe even a new generation growing up. And lots of money. The fact that they chose not to do it tells us that others made the decision for them: others who really wanted Nato in Ukraine and immediately, even if it meant triggering a war. The war started in 2014, it could have ended with a compromise. Instead we have this bloody sh..t going on…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    We don’t know anyone’s motivation, we can only guess.
     
    We can guess with some probability. Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it. You know they'll do it, the question is just when. On the other hand, Russia also can be quiet about its goals and only uncover them vaguely. Just re-read the ultimatum. You know what that one Jewish lady used to say about Hitler - if somebody says they want to kill you, believe them, they probably mean it.


    there is as much likelihood that Nato was planning to turn Ukraine into a large military base threatening Russia .
     
    This is, of course, within the realm of possibility, but in general NATO likes to be open where it can be. They simply like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible. The US government makes small, targeted political and financial investments, and prefers that the locals do the heavy lifting. This is a reasonable approach. They have so far tried to work that way and only in this coming summit will they make significant changes.

    As to a large military base, NATO didn't create that even in the Baltic States or Romania, not even Poland. For 15 years. Much less in Ukraine. Ukraine was trying to build its own military industrial complex, and successfully enough that Russia thought it a risk. Rightfully so, if the reports about Neptune hitting targets in the Black Sea are correct.

    as there is that Russia wanted to re-absorb all of Ukraine. Maybe, but we really have no way of knowing
     
    Not necessarily absorb, but dominate, impose its will. Possibly carve up. All those things are scandalous and bad enough, especially given how it's done (through mass murder of innocents).

    But that is not what happened in eastern-southern Ukraine: Russians (and others) have lived there since late 18th century, it is their home with their own language, culture, preferences for allies (unsurprisingly Mother Russia). They also didn’t boss anyone around, they won a few elections, lost some, they never demanded that the Ukrainian language be banned.
     
    There is an argument there to be made in their advantage (even though Ukrainians lived there too and Ukrainians were forcefully russified). Certainly, Westernization shouldn't be forced on that population. They are very different, I know that culture, it was present until very recently in some Riga suburbs. They even dress differently. Ideally, they should be left alone.

    However, once there is an armed rebellion, especially one instigated from across the border, all those things go out of the window. When people are jumping from burning buildings, it is already way too late.

    Was that worth it? The dream of Nato bases that you refuse to address?
     
    Beckow, I honestly and wholeheartedly believe this was NOT primarily about NATO bases. First, they would not be NATO bases but Ukrainian ones (unless they were a member), even in the Baltic States all those bases are OUR OWN BASES that WE built. Yes, with help from the British & Americans, but they were there already before and they're maintained by us. Some are from the 1930s (or before). Second, as I said before, NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it's not just NATO per se, but Ukraine's Western orientation that Russia objects to.

    And the definition of the Ukrainian culture as distinct from Russian (NOT "one people" as in the official Russian ideological documents) as well as Ukrainian freedom to govern themselves within their own unified state (Соборна Україна).

    This is the Ukrainian War of Independence.

    Let's say there was no NATO, but some kind of a Central European Commonwealth that Ukraine wanted to join. Without America. This would not be ok for Russia. Especially, if it is followed by the erasure of "the Russian world" and an ideology that is not congruent with the Russian version of the Victory narrative. Some Russian politician compared this to a weapon of mass destruction - very accurate, it is truly just as devastating because all the Russian speaking children would be assimilated into the Ukrainian culture. This is why the Russians are so savage yet diligent now about planting Soviet flags in the occupied territories and about throwing out Ukrainian curricula. That's how big this is. The erasure of the Russian speaking culture as laid out, formulated and dominated by Russia is not acceptable to Russia. This is the number one reason that trumps even NATO. It being combined with NATO just makes it worse in Russia's eyes.

    It takes time, but Kiev could have – and most likely would have – slowly scaled back Donbas autonomy. You can always buy the local politicians. You insistence that it was’t possible is disingenuous – of course Kiev would be in a position to it.
     
    No, no, no, please, do not blank out on me again. I didn't insist it was impossible. I specifically said it could have been done, just that Ukraine was not even given an honest chance. Ukraine would have to rule there, not the militias. The Russian public would not accept that and would put pressure on the Kremlin to not allow that.

    Hypothetically, with time integration could've been possible (even based on bilingualism, most of them are already bilingual anyway), of course, the question is, should it be done, why force it on those who don't want it?

    Replies: @Beckow

  568. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    is boring, never married and has no kids.
     
    I've been married, so has that freed me from the curse of being labelled "boring"? :-)

    Replies: @AP

    Those two are not linked to each other

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  569. @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/1zHBP9b4/Dr-Ape.jpg


    Hello ape.


    The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100.
     
    How can you be so dumb and be a doctor at the same time? This isn't funny anymore.

    Do you not understand, idiot, that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn't be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.

    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree, like it's some kind of merchandise. You have no competition, because most people can't afford education, and if they did, then you and people like you wouldn't be able to become doctors. You are too dumb to be a doctor, son.

    You shouldn't be a doctor.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity, and that's why there are not many versions of translated IQ tests – this is not easily done, usually bilingual people translate from one language to the other several times back and forth, until they get it right.


    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.
     
    Really, now it's the same in each country? You have said it's supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn't be normed? Dumbass.

    And you still got the nerve to call me stupid.

    You are that Sharikov you're talking about, he's in you. You are the stupid one here. You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn't deserve it.

    And you have very bad manners, on top of that, which is understandable considering your background. Stupid people like you, morons like you feel that insulting another person makes them look better.

    No, fool, it makes you look grotesque.


    I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.
     
    So isn't it what was implied, idiot?

    There is no such implication. Stop lying.
     
    Fool!

    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.
     
    Family members or ancestors doesn't make any difference.

    He didn’t acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you.
     
    You are the one who is morally corrupt.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur, full of self importance. You are calling me a liar when it's you who is lying.


    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?
     
    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    …The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.

    I would say a few tens of thousands in non-Soviet countries. They were mostly relatives and buddies of the top people, not the people themselves. There was an amazingly high percentage of nephews and brothers-in-law among the corrupt who then very easily transitioned after 1989 to be the main oligarchs.

    The post-1989 corruption is orders of magnitude bigger – it is not comparable, how come that doesn’t bother anyone? Because corruption is not the real issue for the West – they are also corrupt in their own gigantic ways – corruption is a tool against enemies as it has always been – even under commies the accusation of corruption (mostly true) was used for power struggle.

    The corruption under the socialist system was very curtailed: they could only steal so much and couldn’t parade it publicly. They couldn’t move money abroad. That would be a kiss of death for a career of their benefactors. Sometimes the commie gment made an example of someone and that meant that the sponsoring elite member also lost his position. It doesn’t happen anymore. They got that fixed.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Just when I thought you couldn't get any more cringe and deluded, here you go with full "yay, Soviet Union" irrelevant nonsense. Total trash bin of history idiocy. There's zero support for anything like that anywhere. If you're going to pick a completely marginal ideology/cause, that has no one but some alcoholic pensioners LARPing as it's supporters, can't you at least pick something less depressing?

    And no, you're going to persuade no one of your worldview. Even if you were right, it'd be pointless. Talk about a "mental cul-de-sac." A fringier proposal may not be possible.

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow

    Well the corruption under the socialist system in Russia was what – sometimes a bribe, like to get a better apartment from the state, or to get it faster, waiting less, and that wasn't a norm, and wasn't happening everywhere. Did happen sometimes, here and there.

    People often got arrested for that.

    On the top level though there were cases like illegal diamond trade, contraband – but that's a regular crime. There wasn't much corruption back then.

    That was after the collapse of the system, when they started privatization, started selling state assets for one tenth of the cost, with kickbacks and all that, and that was the people who had access to those assets, who had connections to those who were making decisions, the people on the top.

    A few hundred people on the top were initiating and controlling the entire corruption.

    Replies: @Beckow

  570. @Triteleia Laxa
    This war has gone on too long. The Russian state is doomed, unless we save it, but who knows how?

    Reality has been checked and Russia's "near abroad" of legitimate interests has been found. It is limited to the environs of the Donbas. This does not mean that they can indefinitely hold it, but Russia can genuinely assert itself over that area.

    The problem for the Russian state is that this very limited "sphere" is about a hundredth of the fantasy that they sold the Russian public on prior to the war. You can't claim a "permanent reality of power" over an entire region of a continent when you're unable to even take Kharkhiv. The Russian state has, in the only instance I know if it happening, called its own bluff.

    What's worse is that it is far from clear that Russia can hold the Donbas. After securing most of its population in 2014, Russia presided over its collapse to even greater corruption, general criminality and, by the beginning of this year, there was no longer even the hint of development. This is not a recipe for gaining the consent of the governed and now Russia wants to hold even more land, and the state of it is immeasurably worse.

    Some Russian partisans still hope to enforce a peace on Ukraine, and they escape into some fantasy that the Russian military, despite being unable to advance more than about 1km a day, has completely destroyed the Ukrainian army, though somehow they don't remember making the same statement ritually throughout the last 4 months!

    But even if Russia do manage to force a peace on Ukraine, a country where Zelenskyy was the extreme liberal who tried everything to find peace with Putin, and the rest of Ukraine was, at the least, intensely skeptical but dreaming, Russia will merely being jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.

    Millions of Ukrainians now have some degree of firearms training, access to kit, a visceral hatred of Russian occupation and an absolute certainty that Russia cannot conquer Ukraine. Russian occupying forces in the Donbas will be like Turkeys, stuffed alive into a barrel, and shot out from short range with light machine guns. Only the continuation of conventional warfare saves them, as it gives a "more honourable" outlet for brave Ukrainians to defend their homeland.

    So what does all of this mean? The Russian state has not built its legitimacy on economic development. There's been little of that for a decade. Nor does it build itself on democracy. Everyone is in on that joke. Instead, it builds itself on Russia maintaining its great power status, which Russia has now decisively lost. Russia has even less ability to assert itself over Kyiv than Israel does over Damascus. It is now a pariah in its own region and one that people only pay lip service to because it can still strike with missiles or bombs.

    In other words, the Russian state is already dead. Its life support is that the Russian people cling to it in legitimate fear of what will happen when it collapses, and so blindly hope in some sort of miracle in this war. Securing a ceasefire for the Donbas would be a miracle, but not nearly on the scale that would count. And so, I see the future with foreboding. Russia is brain-dead. It cannot change course, but it cannot succeed on its course. So what to do?

    Bullsh*t baffles brains, but the least bullsh*t end to this carnage is for a ceasefire, a scheduled, neutrally administed plebiscite in the Donbas, another one in Crimea, both to take place on a year's time, and for Ukraine to be able to make whatever sovreign decisions it wants about which international bodies to join. Sorry Russia, that ship has sailed.

    The reason for this is that it extends the time until reality asserts itself. The Russian state can maintain order by focussing its people on the plebiscites, even though if Donbas were just ceded to Russia, the Russian people would be aghast at the pointlessness of the war. Time can adjust people to much lower expectations.

    The problem is what happens when reality does assert itself and Russia inevitably loses the plebiscites? What humiliation then?

    This is where bullsh*t baffles brains becomes mandatory. In the year after the ceasefire, and after, every Western institution needs to do everything it can to legitimise the Russian state. Pomp, fanfare and circumstance should accompany endless Russian receptions in Western capitals. Great conferences must be held to plan out the future. All sanctions must be dropped. Will this be enough? It has to be, because there is no other option, and failure will be awful.

    But why not just let Russia collapse in its own hubris, lies, ashes and envy?

    Because we care and we want Russia and Russians to thrive. There's no place for vindictiveness in the human future. Vindictiveness, bitterness and resentment is what caused Russia to invade Ukraine. The Russian state can survive their own tragedy and the Russian people can avoid the 90s on steroids, but only if we can salvage their pride for them through generous use of the limelight. Russia's real status as a regional power has been revealed and its sphere is measured in kilometres not countries.

    But is there anyone with power in Russia possessing the courage to take this life raft? To end their pointless, self-destroying savagery in East Ukraine? Who knows? In their relentless propaganda, their absurdly inflated self-regard, it seems they have mostly succeeded in only mindf*cking themselves and instead will gloatingly cheer on their one way journey into oblivion.

    Imagine a poker player, pompously implying that they have a Royal Flush, attempting to bully the other players into submission, but then calling their own bluff to reveal a Jack high. This is what Russia has done, and the consequences look to be enormous. Their entire mental state has been bet on a war that they cannot win, don't even know what winning looks like and involves nothing more than the murder of their neighbours. Just like blacks with their Juneteenth and black history month, and gays with their Pride, we'll need to work up some charity showbusiness for the Russians. Their fragile egos will need stroking, so they don't go beserk and burn down their own cities. The Western burden only gets heavier. Perhaps, eventually, China will help, as an actual partner to an improved world. We should have been finding some way to deal with the future African population explosion, but instead we're stuck dealing with Russia's cruel and empty pride.

    It is very pathetic when you think about it. Russia thought it was a great power. Within a week of testing their hypothesis, they found out that they were not, but rather than reassess their future, they just blindly doubled down to their doom. The causes of this war really are that simple. A neat tragedy of pride before fall. How embarrassing.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    It must have taken you some time to come up with this bulls..t narative: Russia is lost, they will lose, we like them (well not really), but let’s pretend. Even if they win, they will really lose…just wait for the urban guerillas in Kiev that start popping out of each sewer.

    What I see is a change in the Western narrative based on some very obvious lies:

    – Russia has taken over 20% of Ukraine – a territory about the size of England. You call that “1km/day”. You either don’t know how to count or you consciously lie.

    – Nato is gone from Ukraine and probably permanently. To claim that Ukraine is effectively now in Nato would be like claiming that Iraq, Afghanistan, or north-east corner of Syria are in Nato. Sure, if it makes your pain better.

    – Regarding bluffing, they all bluffed: Kiev, Russia, Nato. Let’s see how it has worked out: Kiev is losing a war because they bluffed that Russia won’t attack. Russia is winning this war, so where is their lost bet? Nato is stalling and maybe even happy: it is the Ukies whoa re dying and they can always try a new narrative – as you do here.

    It is not over, but so far Russia is winning on points: they have the Black See coast, Mariupol, Kherson, their economy has survived and ruble is the best performing currency of 2022, up 35% against Euro. They are making more money selling less stuff than ever before.

    The dream of endless Ukie resistance is how people who are losing medicate themselves. I sincerely hope it works for you, it could be very ugly in the next few months.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Ok, makes sense. I concede. This is a great victory for Russia. You are not a loser. You are actually a very peaceful and beneficent genius. Russia never invaded Ukraine, even though Ukraine deserved it and Russia would do it again. The West is collapsing, and has been collapsing for a hundred years, and Ukrainians are liberated from it by Russia, even though their deaths are good and their own fault. After all, they were wanting to take part in NRO and Western expansion. The Ruble is strong, therefore the Russian economy is never better. Ignore the Russian Central Bank. The Russian military is a true world superpower and the few towns they have taken are definitely in line with political objectives that will win this war on Russia's terms. There isn't just a route to Russian victory, in fact Russia has already won. They won on the first day, like Scott Ritter said. "Mission Accomplished." Ukraine may have more NATO kit than ever, but it'll obviously never be in NATO because now Ukraine definitely has no reason to join NATO. Ukraine also has absolutely no route to victory, as, although they just need to remain in their homeland longer than the Russian not-invaders, they're obviously going to surrender and accept Russian domination really soon. Why wouldn't they? The Donbas has been extremely well-governed by Russia since 2014 and bloody-thirsty not-invasions are well-known for gaining the "hearts and minds" of the populace. Maybe if the liberal Jewish TV comedian Zelenskyy were not such a "Nazi," the pro-Russians in Ukraine would have lots of popular support. You're not a totally mindf*cked alien to reality. The narrative you've been fed is the truth. You are totally honest with yourself about who you are, what motivates you and how you see the world, including your emotions and unexamined assumptions. Anyone who questions you is basically "gaslighting" you because they're hysterical. You're a great and unrecognised intellect, even though everyone actually recognises your greatness, but just pretends otherwise because of their hatred and resentment. Russia is great. The Soviet Union was incredible. And there could be no brighter future than yours.

    Happy?



    A song for you:

    https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI

    Replies: @Beckow

  571. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    It must have taken you some time to come up with this bulls..t narative: Russia is lost, they will lose, we like them (well not really), but let's pretend. Even if they win, they will really lose...just wait for the urban guerillas in Kiev that start popping out of each sewer.

    What I see is a change in the Western narrative based on some very obvious lies:

    - Russia has taken over 20% of Ukraine - a territory about the size of England. You call that "1km/day". You either don't know how to count or you consciously lie.

    - Nato is gone from Ukraine and probably permanently. To claim that Ukraine is effectively now in Nato would be like claiming that Iraq, Afghanistan, or north-east corner of Syria are in Nato. Sure, if it makes your pain better.

    - Regarding bluffing, they all bluffed: Kiev, Russia, Nato. Let's see how it has worked out: Kiev is losing a war because they bluffed that Russia won't attack. Russia is winning this war, so where is their lost bet? Nato is stalling and maybe even happy: it is the Ukies whoa re dying and they can always try a new narrative - as you do here.

    It is not over, but so far Russia is winning on points: they have the Black See coast, Mariupol, Kherson, their economy has survived and ruble is the best performing currency of 2022, up 35% against Euro. They are making more money selling less stuff than ever before.

    The dream of endless Ukie resistance is how people who are losing medicate themselves. I sincerely hope it works for you, it could be very ugly in the next few months.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Ok, makes sense. I concede. This is a great victory for Russia. You are not a loser. You are actually a very peaceful and beneficent genius. Russia never invaded Ukraine, even though Ukraine deserved it and Russia would do it again. The West is collapsing, and has been collapsing for a hundred years, and Ukrainians are liberated from it by Russia, even though their deaths are good and their own fault. After all, they were wanting to take part in NRO and Western expansion. The Ruble is strong, therefore the Russian economy is never better. Ignore the Russian Central Bank. The Russian military is a true world superpower and the few towns they have taken are definitely in line with political objectives that will win this war on Russia’s terms. There isn’t just a route to Russian victory, in fact Russia has already won. They won on the first day, like Scott Ritter said. “Mission Accomplished.” Ukraine may have more NATO kit than ever, but it’ll obviously never be in NATO because now Ukraine definitely has no reason to join NATO. Ukraine also has absolutely no route to victory, as, although they just need to remain in their homeland longer than the Russian not-invaders, they’re obviously going to surrender and accept Russian domination really soon. Why wouldn’t they? The Donbas has been extremely well-governed by Russia since 2014 and bloody-thirsty not-invasions are well-known for gaining the “hearts and minds” of the populace. Maybe if the liberal Jewish TV comedian Zelenskyy were not such a “Nazi,” the pro-Russians in Ukraine would have lots of popular support. You’re not a totally mindf*cked alien to reality. The narrative you’ve been fed is the truth. You are totally honest with yourself about who you are, what motivates you and how you see the world, including your emotions and unexamined assumptions. Anyone who questions you is basically “gaslighting” you because they’re hysterical. You’re a great and unrecognised intellect, even though everyone actually recognises your greatness, but just pretends otherwise because of their hatred and resentment. Russia is great. The Soviet Union was incredible. And there could be no brighter future than yours.

    Happy?

    [MORE]

    A song for you:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Is that you in that video? Get some sleep, you look terrible. No wonder you use "Aether" now, you seem on your last legs.

    I am not winning anything, I am neither Ukrainian nor Russian. I simply try to be true to my observations, to what is going on. It is all out there to see.

    You only do fake straw-man arguments: I never said anything in what you listed in that stream of consciousness of yours, how can I respond? The straw-man is another favorite tool of people who are losing, they invent fantastic goals for the others and then pathetically claim that since 'they were not reached', the enemy lost. It is a sad refuge.

    I listed very specific things that are hard to deny: the size of the Russian advance and Nato gone from Ukraine. If you think those can be reversed, tell us when and how. If they are not reversed it will be a win for Russia and a loss for the current rulers in Kiev. There is no other way a normal person can interpret it. The fact the Russians will not be in Warsaw or Dover has nothing to do with it. US is also not in Shanghai or Tehran (and not for a lack of trying).

    I am not sure you are capable of sober analysis. Based on that picture of yourself, well, maybe we should go easy on you, you don't seem to have long.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  572. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    >driving one of these Trabant-based pseudo-tankettes, in the Boy Scouts.
    >Sounds interesting, tell me more?…
     
    Curious exotica - afraid I don't know much more than the video. I adduce it mainly as very circumstantial evidence that East Germany had the highest standard of living in the Eastern Bloc. Mentioned once before that they had the highest meat consumption.

    The Pioneers were something like the Boy Scouts or Cub Scouts, only by the end of communism, 98% of Ossie children were members. (though I guess the tanks were for just for a small, elite group of them) They were really tied into the schools, and not joining them may have been bad for your career prospects. Don't know a great deal about them, but reading the wiki about them is quite interesting. In particular I am fascinated by all their collections. (rocks for a jetty in Rostock!)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Th%C3%A4lmann_Pioneer_Organisation

    The engine for the "tanks" evidently came from the Trabant which was the famous, jalopy of East Germany, the rough equivalent of the Yugo of Yugoslavia. It had a two-stage engine sort of like a lawnmower or chainsaw.


    >the dark consequences of reunification.
    Also, please tell me more?…
     
    Of the whole former Warsaw Pact, East Germany easily has the worst demographics from a nationalist perspective, the greatest percentage of non-Euros are living there. They were moved there by the federal government, probably in large measure, to fight homogeneity. I think I have expressed my feelings before on the trajectory of Germany, and many other places in Europe.

    There were negative aspects to living in East Germany, but still, in the longterm, I think it was a system that was moderating. East Germans I have talked to who grew up there mostly had neutral to weakly positive views of it.

    In the long term, I suspect that West Germany, now the federal republic, has the more sinister form of government. It already has a lot of tangible parallels with the East. Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing. Security state: the state apparatus acknowledges that they spy on dissent, and it is not uncommon for people to be brought before the police, for saying things or being suspected of saying them. (they may not have paper files as big as the Stazi did, but what if you counted digital info, automatically recorded?) There are definitely parallels to employment - if you go against the state narrative, it affects your prospects.

    The new Germany has existential problems (what else could an honest look at trends say?), but they are not even allowed to articulate them. I doubt East Germans would have been so enthused about reunification, if they had understood the future of Germany.

    https://youtu.be/cJ2Sgd9sc0M

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mr. Hack, @Beckow

    …Germany has…Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing

    Very good point. The self-loathing aspect of the current Western indoctrination is something new and scary. For all their faults and shallowness the previous propaganda systems were self-affirming: a celebration of self with optimism and smiles – maybe forced and often fake, but essentially harmless.

    The current Western self-loathing is not managed by the same people as the people it is aimed at: this is an alien imported propaganda that is meant to dismantle the society and create a new easier-managed society.

    Liberals are dead-ender nuts and their self-hatred is unbound. Early on in the liberal ascendance a certifiable lunatic, Louis Saint-Just, yelled during the French Revolution: “No freedom for the enemies of freedom!!!

    A more stupid and self-denying statement would be hard to find – and yet it summarizes the current liberal hysteria in the West. It also shows the mental cul-de-sac where these morons reside.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow


    Liberals are dead-ender nuts and their self-hatred is unbound.
    ...
    A more stupid and self-denying statement would be hard to find – and yet it summarizes the current liberal hysteria in the West. It also shows the mental cul-de-sac where these morons reside.

     
    Instead of a statement, how about a picture: (1)

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Leftist-democrat-woke-progressive-1086x1536.jpg

    Rarely does an image encapsulate a moment in U.S. political history so succinctly. This is a brilliant, absolutely brilliant, representation of a modern leftist who votes politically in favor of democrats. This artwork is one of the best encapsulations I have seen in years.

    The image is particularly poignant because modern leftists must pretend not to know things in order to advance their political ideology. The suburban female voter, perfectly showcased as a “Karen” type figure (and the gender shaded imagery) is a representation of a wealthy, white, female, suburban liberal who drives the overall policy direction of the toxic political left.
     
    The good news -- Christian "Western" Populism is beating SJW "Anti-Western" Globalism.

    As we have seen in Portland and Minneapolis, Leftoids have been reduced to burning their own dwellings as a demonstration of rage. "Anti-Western" violence is ultimately self defeating.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/26/the-modern-democrat-voter/

    Replies: @Beckow

  573. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon


    ...The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.
     
    I would say a few tens of thousands in non-Soviet countries. They were mostly relatives and buddies of the top people, not the people themselves. There was an amazingly high percentage of nephews and brothers-in-law among the corrupt who then very easily transitioned after 1989 to be the main oligarchs.

    The post-1989 corruption is orders of magnitude bigger - it is not comparable, how come that doesn't bother anyone? Because corruption is not the real issue for the West - they are also corrupt in their own gigantic ways - corruption is a tool against enemies as it has always been - even under commies the accusation of corruption (mostly true) was used for power struggle.

    The corruption under the socialist system was very curtailed: they could only steal so much and couldn't parade it publicly. They couldn't move money abroad. That would be a kiss of death for a career of their benefactors. Sometimes the commie gment made an example of someone and that meant that the sponsoring elite member also lost his position. It doesn't happen anymore. They got that fixed.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

    Just when I thought you couldn’t get any more cringe and deluded, here you go with full “yay, Soviet Union” irrelevant nonsense. Total trash bin of history idiocy. There’s zero support for anything like that anywhere. If you’re going to pick a completely marginal ideology/cause, that has no one but some alcoholic pensioners LARPing as it’s supporters, can’t you at least pick something less depressing?

    And no, you’re going to persuade no one of your worldview. Even if you were right, it’d be pointless. Talk about a “mental cul-de-sac.” A fringier proposal may not be possible.

  574. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Your delusions aside once again downplay realities like a well over 2/3 majority in Crimea (including the majority of ethnic Ukrainians there) supporting Crimea's reunification with Russia and the Kiev regime losing more territory, along with the atrocities of its forces.

    The so-called "Orange revolution" flopped. Several years later, the "Euromaidan" paved the way for an undemocratic, corrupt and neo-Nazi influenced Kiev regime.

    Keep dreaming about wonder weapons leading to a successful August Kiev regime counter-offensive.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AnonfromTN

    Keep dreaming about wonder weapons leading to a successful August Kiev regime counter-offensive

    Nothing is new under the sun. Parteigenosse Hitler kept talking about wonder-weapons until he poisoned himself.

  575. Took you pills, grandpa? That burning hatred still burns bright.

    But what exactly was “my proposal“? I didn’t propose absolutely anything, you seem incapable of even basic reading comprehension.

    And can you confirm that you are the former “Laxa” who run away from here after looking like a fool one too many times?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Beckow

    Aether freely admitted to being Laxa several threads ago. It just gets around whatever restriction on posting volume that Ron had instituted. Ron seems to be amenable to allowing Triteleia Laxa to have fresh start under the Aether handle. It's not like there is anything mysterious going on with the whole thing.

  576. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/1zHBP9b4/Dr-Ape.jpg


    Hello ape.


    The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100. This means that in a country of dumb people the items will be easier, so that the average in that country is 100.
     
    How can you be so dumb and be a doctor at the same time? This isn't funny anymore.

    Do you not understand, idiot, that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn't be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.

    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree, like it's some kind of merchandise. You have no competition, because most people can't afford education, and if they did, then you and people like you wouldn't be able to become doctors. You are too dumb to be a doctor, son.

    You shouldn't be a doctor.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity, and that's why there are not many versions of translated IQ tests – this is not easily done, usually bilingual people translate from one language to the other several times back and forth, until they get it right.


    For this reason, the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.
     
    Really, now it's the same in each country? You have said it's supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn't be normed? Dumbass.

    And you still got the nerve to call me stupid.

    You are that Sharikov you're talking about, he's in you. You are the stupid one here. You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn't deserve it.

    And you have very bad manners, on top of that, which is understandable considering your background. Stupid people like you, morons like you feel that insulting another person makes them look better.

    No, fool, it makes you look grotesque.


    I did not rent in Moscow, and lived rather than visited briefly there, family own it and I stayed there for free. So I can return.
     
    So isn't it what was implied, idiot?

    There is no such implication. Stop lying.
     
    Fool!

    I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.
     
    Family members or ancestors doesn't make any difference.

    He didn’t acknowledge the deep corruption and rot that pervaded all aspects of Sovok society, which resulted in morally corrupt creatures like you.
     
    You are the one who is morally corrupt.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur, full of self importance. You are calling me a liar when it's you who is lying.


    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?
     
    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    Given the fact that we have established that it took you a couple posts to conclude that my estimate of PISA-derived Russian IQ was correct, one would think that Sharikov would be more humble. But Sharikov is as he must be.

    that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn’t be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.

    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Scoring a 100 in a smart country might be like scoring a 110 in a less smart country.

    Only an idiot would assume otherwise.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. The norms may differ by country, but for purposes of comparison one can simply use, say, the British norms to establish a “British IQ.” So Russians would take the identical nonverbal test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated. In the case of ethnic Russians in Yakutia this was 97.9.

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree

    Lol, people can “buy” diplomas by paying for schools but they still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that. I would have doubts about you Sharikov. A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.

    Sovok education was “free” which meant favours between parents and teachers, personal bribes, etc. The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you. You think the 90s wasn’t a direct product of Soviet morality, values and corruption which further highlights your stupidity.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity

    They do, but each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test. This doesn’t mean that each country has an equal average intelligence.

    “ the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.”

    Really, now it’s the same in each country? You have said it’s supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn’t be normed

    The Wechsler has different items depending on country; the Ravens uses the same items in all the countries. Each country might have its own set of norms on the Ravens, but since the items are identical one can easily calculate a British IQ in a non-British country by simply using British norms.

    But one can’t simply calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts which are a major component of the Wechsler.

    This is why what you stupidly dismiss as a childrens test is commonly used and accepted in cross-national intelligence research by people who are much smarter than you are.

    I wonder Sharikov, if you are so dense that this will have to be explained to you a third time.

    You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn’t deserve it.

    No Sharikov, my relative position in life is similar to that which had fallen upon my ancestors for hundreds of years (at least), surviving even the disruption of war and emigration which left my grandparents temporarily penniless in a foreign land. It is thus natural and good.

    You on the other hand are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied. You profane anything good by mentioning it or trying to “think” about it.

    [MORE]

    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

    Just to be clear, I did not and will not specify my particular degree.

    It’s funny that in Bulgakov’s book, if memory serves correctly (I haven’t read it in 20 years or so) Sharikov was eventually trying to take the doctor’s Moscow (IIRC) apartment. And here our own Sharikov continues to obsess about my old Tverskaya apartment where I had lived.

    “I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.”

    Family members or ancestors doesn’t make any difference.

    Ah yes, when the liar is caught in his lies his excuse is that it doesn’t make any difference. The reasoning of moral corruption.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur

    Sharikov has learned some big words. You have already admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been (Israel, Poland, etc). It is natural for me and other normal people you encounter that view you with contempt and disgust. This is not a reflection on us but of you, Sharikov. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.

    Misanthrope? I help others. And you? Arrogant narcissist (are there ones who are not arrogant?)? Realistic. I acknowledge that several people here are smarter than I am, and some are probs my more virtuous than I am. Not you though, as we have seen. Don’t be myopic.

    You are calling me a liar when it’s you who is lying.

    You have been caught in your lies here and elsewhere. I have only told the truth.

    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.

    The entire Soviet society was founded on theft and murder. And corruption was widespread from top to bottom. Bribery, favouritism, help me and I’ll help you, theft of all kinds (from the state or from each other). Yes, people in hell suffer and in the case of the “post” Soviet hell it was a suffering of their own collective making. Very sad.

    Corruption of a few at the top characterizes places like the USA with its lobbyists and so on. Corruption of daily life by regular people was a Sovok thing. Creatures like you were built for it and were a product of it, Sharikov.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Changing the song sweetheart, like none of that ever happened – it ain't gonna work, sweetheart. You will be exposed.


    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Only an idiot would assume otherwise.
     
    Correct, sweetheart. You are an idiot. You said that, in the previous post.

    I’ll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand. The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100.
     
    You are an idiot.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. So Russians would take the identical test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated.
     
    That's right, idiot.

    For this reason a test, no matter which, is calibrated with a reference to either the British mean score, or the US mean score, or the OECD countries mean score, like the PISA test.

    And serious researchers, idiot, value the PISA test, because it's the most comprehensive one, and has the best correlation with the gold standard, i.e. the Wechsler test.


    People still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that.
     
    For that – in the US, where the universities are commercial enterprises, depending on the tuition fees – perhaps so, the pool of people capable of financing such an education is small. Even idiots can do that as a result.

    You are the evidence of that.


    A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.
     
    You are not in a position to estimate someone else's intelligence, idiot.

    A lot of Russian immigrant professionals couldn’t pass the exams because of the language. The Russian school of medicine is good, but it isn't similar to how it's taught the West. An immigrant has no time to learn it from the ground up in a foreign language.

    You think you would pass an exam in Russian, idiot?


    The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you.
     
    Rotten brain, haven't you said that you never lived in the Soviet Union, so what do you know about that, idiot?

    Your stories are distorted images that you created yourself, it has nothing to do with the reality of how that was, and if it was how you think it was, then there would never have been so many accomplishments, that the Soviet system had produced, idiot.


    Each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test.
     
    Here we go again.

    You are an idiot. A real, a real idiot. You can't even understand that it would be impossible to create a different version of the test, re-calibrated like that.


    The Wechsler has different items depending on country. One can’t calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts.
     
    A translation is used, idiot, a translation. An accurate translation.

    The score is set to be as 100 at the mean Greenwich IQ and then it's measured against that reference point, no matter where the test is taken, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to do it whatsoever, idiot, and it wouldn't be possible to compare the results of different countries, idiot. How can a man be so dumb.

    Here is an example, idiot.


    Die deutsche Fassung, der Hamburg-Wechsler-Intelligenztest für Erwachsene (HAWIE), wurde von Hardesty und Lauber (1956) unmittelbar nach dem Erscheinen der WAIS veröffentlicht. Die jetzt vorgelegte Revision des WAIS-IV ist eine direkte Übertragung aus dem englischen und entspricht im Aufgabenmaterial und Aufbau der Originalfassung.
     
    The translation.

    The German version, the Hamburg Wechsler Intelligence Test for Adults (HAWIE), was published by Hardesty and Lauber (1956) immediately after the publication of the WAIS. The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.
     
    Understand it, stupid. Now let's go on.

    You are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied.
     
    You are trying to insult people who were probably a lot more noble than your ancestors. My grandfathers were colonels, and my grandmother's family were medical doctors, going back for a few generations.

    You have no reason, nor do you have the right to insult these people. My grandmother was a nurse during the war, my grandfathers were fighting it. Yours were probably licking a boot, trying to make these pennies, in which the entire meaning of life for a dumbass like you is found.


    You have admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.
     
    You began insulting me as soon as you heard that my sympathies were with the USSR, that triggered a reaction you are incapable to control. You started this argument then, and you will be now punished, every time you try to continue to do that, because you see, idiot, you are indeed an idiot, and it's easy for me to do.

    With pleasure, idiot.

    Here.

    Found your ancestors.


    https://i.postimg.cc/NfX7Rbcm/Chimpanzees-at-the-Habsburgs-wedding.jpg


    That must have been at that Habsburg wedding, where they were pretending to be people, of good social position, to entertain the guests.

    Have a good night.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Barbarossa
    @AP

    On a different tangent...

    I was at a potluck this weekend and one of the other dads is a doctor who also does teaching with residencies from the local medical school. He made the remark that medical students are getting more annoying by the year, and when inquired further, he said that diversity hires are really driving the quality of students down. It's not just racial box checking anymore but selecting for all "under-represented minority" groups. He said he's getting a little worried that some of these are going to be his doctor at some point in the future...

    Have you seen any of that on your end, or are you somewhat insulated at this point?

    I think that this avoidance for selecting for competence will go a long way in the end to turning the normies off to woke liberalism eventually, but a lot of damage will be done in the meantime. The diversity hire will also be a hard to extricate fixture in academia since the phenomenon can be interpreted as an assurance of loyalty to the system which put them in place. Diversity hires will be very resistant to any reform because they fully understand where their bread is buttered.

    Replies: @AP

  577. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    There was the far lower household wealth in Germany and Austria, than France or UK, according to Credit Suisse.
     
    https://i.imgur.com/xGgNYPF.jpg

    There is effect in the UK and France of higher property ownership, combined with high property prices.

    But Switzerland, Austria and Germany, have lower property ownership, combined with high property prices. As a result, the wealth level is lower in Austria and Germany. It's nice to own to property in those countries, but almost half the population is paying rent.

    https://i.imgur.com/miPmUlA.png

    Replies: @A123, @Verymuchalive

    A high percentage of East European properties are post-War, high-rise, reinforced concrete flats. Nearly all of them were built by the State and rented by it to tenants. After the end of Communism , they were sold at low prices to the sitting tenants or even given away.They literally are brutalist slurry. Places like Moscow have several thousand of them dotted all over the city.

    There is a serious problem with this method of construction. These buildings have a life expectancy of 50 to 100 years. However, given the low construction standards of the time and later, 50 to 60 years is more realistic, especially in Eastern Europe. Many don’t even last that long.
    https://theconversation.com/the-problem-with-reinforced-concrete-56078

    In Britain, Right-to-Buy legislation enabled many tenants to buy Council (State ) housing. Nearly all the older, more durable properties were purchased thereby. Getting rid of the newer, high rise concrete blocks was much more difficult. Purchase prices were low – they reflected the life expectancy of the building ( let’s say, 20-30 years ), not full construction costs. Even so, few bought.

    A high percentage ( > 50% ) of these high-rises have since been knocked down, many of them less than the 50 years old. One case I know, the building was less than 30 years old. They were not only substandard in construction, but many had serious heating and damp problems, too. Their replacements were in costlier, more durable construction types.

    So, Eastern Europe has a lot of homeowners in seriously substandard properties like the above, which would have been demolished in the West decades ago. Later this century – sooner rather than later – these will have to be replaced. If they are replaced with more durable construction types – brick. steel framed buildings etc – this will be costly. Only the affluent will be able to purchase such properties. Many will be let to tenants, instead. If, however, they are replaced with more of the same, then the full cost of construction will be factored into the purchase price or rent.

    Regardless of any other factors, this means that the percentage of home owners in the population of these countries will diminish rapidly over this century, likely to levels now seen in Western Europe.
    Brutalist slurry does not have a solid market value, as these people will find out.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive

    You don't know much about buildings and real estate. The socialist building standards were solid and the high-rises have lasted. Most have been renovated and upgraded and the market for them is very good (check prices to see for yourself).

    The West has also built the same kind of housing and most of it still stands. I dont know about England, but England has some of the worst and least affordable housing in Europe, I wouldn't boast.

    If you look at a few cherry-picked examples you can find anything. In general the socialist built housing has held up, it has been around often for 50-60 years and nobody is tearing it down.

    In comparison, most wood-and-plaster American suburban housing has life expectancy of 75 years - nothing lasts forever, West or East. It will all have to replaced eventually - as in the past, as always.

    So not much of a difference. Is this another one of the perennial Western arguments: "our sh..t doesn't stink! Your housing will collapse, ours will last forever!!!".

    You guys are really amusing, and with all that culture and books available, you still mostly think like little screaming tribal lap-dogs. Not much future in that now.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @AP
    @Verymuchalive


    So, Eastern Europe has a lot of homeowners in seriously substandard properties like the above, which would have been demolished in the West decades ago. Later this century – sooner rather than later – these will have to be replaced. If they are replaced with more durable construction types – brick. steel framed buildings etc – this will be costly. Only the affluent will be able to purchase such properties. Many will be let to tenants, instead. If, however, they are replaced with more of the same, then the full cost of construction will be factored into the purchase price or rent.
     
    In Moscow what has happened is that the old ugly Soviet buildings were destroyed and replaced by modern ones. The inhabitants of the old buildings were typically given bottom floor flats (I think, of smaller than standard size) in the new buildings for free, while the people buying new flats on the higher floors had nicer ones. In this way, the original inhabitants continue to be homeowners.

    I have heard of other cases where the people living in the original apartments are given ones in other neighborhoods, or equal value, as compensation. This can be unpleasant, as they don't have much choice regarding which neighborhood they may end up and it may be very far from where they had been living. Either way, they continue to be homeowners.

    I am not sure if the Visegrad countries do this also.
  578. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @songbird


    ...Germany has...Indoctrination, but arguably of a more sinister type, as it involves self-loathing
     
    Very good point. The self-loathing aspect of the current Western indoctrination is something new and scary. For all their faults and shallowness the previous propaganda systems were self-affirming: a celebration of self with optimism and smiles - maybe forced and often fake, but essentially harmless.

    The current Western self-loathing is not managed by the same people as the people it is aimed at: this is an alien imported propaganda that is meant to dismantle the society and create a new easier-managed society.

    Liberals are dead-ender nuts and their self-hatred is unbound. Early on in the liberal ascendance a certifiable lunatic, Louis Saint-Just, yelled during the French Revolution: "No freedom for the enemies of freedom!!!"

    A more stupid and self-denying statement would be hard to find - and yet it summarizes the current liberal hysteria in the West. It also shows the mental cul-de-sac where these morons reside.

    Replies: @A123

    Liberals are dead-ender nuts and their self-hatred is unbound.

    A more stupid and self-denying statement would be hard to find – and yet it summarizes the current liberal hysteria in the West. It also shows the mental cul-de-sac where these morons reside.

    Instead of a statement, how about a picture: (1)

     

    Rarely does an image encapsulate a moment in U.S. political history so succinctly. This is a brilliant, absolutely brilliant, representation of a modern leftist who votes politically in favor of democrats. This artwork is one of the best encapsulations I have seen in years.

    The image is particularly poignant because modern leftists must pretend not to know things in order to advance their political ideology. The suburban female voter, perfectly showcased as a “Karen” type figure (and the gender shaded imagery) is a representation of a wealthy, white, female, suburban liberal who drives the overall policy direction of the toxic political left.

    The good news — Christian “Western” Populism is beating SJW “Anti-Western” Globalism.

    As we have seen in Portland and Minneapolis, Leftoids have been reduced to burning their own dwellings as a demonstration of rage. “Anti-Western” violence is ultimately self defeating.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/26/the-modern-democrat-voter/

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @A123

    A few adjustments in that picture would make it even more realistic: the darkies would be on top, the women more fat and ugly, and there would definitely be a few tattoos.

    You should also not confuse left with what these weirdos are doing. For most Europeans "left" is still about better social policies, better incomes, less idiotic privatized sidewalks. I understand that for you it is different, but these people are not "left", they are moronic liberals. I think most use 'extreme center', or the undefinable "progressivism" as self-identification.

    Replies: @A123

  579. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Ok, makes sense. I concede. This is a great victory for Russia. You are not a loser. You are actually a very peaceful and beneficent genius. Russia never invaded Ukraine, even though Ukraine deserved it and Russia would do it again. The West is collapsing, and has been collapsing for a hundred years, and Ukrainians are liberated from it by Russia, even though their deaths are good and their own fault. After all, they were wanting to take part in NRO and Western expansion. The Ruble is strong, therefore the Russian economy is never better. Ignore the Russian Central Bank. The Russian military is a true world superpower and the few towns they have taken are definitely in line with political objectives that will win this war on Russia's terms. There isn't just a route to Russian victory, in fact Russia has already won. They won on the first day, like Scott Ritter said. "Mission Accomplished." Ukraine may have more NATO kit than ever, but it'll obviously never be in NATO because now Ukraine definitely has no reason to join NATO. Ukraine also has absolutely no route to victory, as, although they just need to remain in their homeland longer than the Russian not-invaders, they're obviously going to surrender and accept Russian domination really soon. Why wouldn't they? The Donbas has been extremely well-governed by Russia since 2014 and bloody-thirsty not-invasions are well-known for gaining the "hearts and minds" of the populace. Maybe if the liberal Jewish TV comedian Zelenskyy were not such a "Nazi," the pro-Russians in Ukraine would have lots of popular support. You're not a totally mindf*cked alien to reality. The narrative you've been fed is the truth. You are totally honest with yourself about who you are, what motivates you and how you see the world, including your emotions and unexamined assumptions. Anyone who questions you is basically "gaslighting" you because they're hysterical. You're a great and unrecognised intellect, even though everyone actually recognises your greatness, but just pretends otherwise because of their hatred and resentment. Russia is great. The Soviet Union was incredible. And there could be no brighter future than yours.

    Happy?



    A song for you:

    https://youtu.be/8AHCfZTRGiI

    Replies: @Beckow

    Is that you in that video? Get some sleep, you look terrible. No wonder you use “Aether” now, you seem on your last legs.

    I am not winning anything, I am neither Ukrainian nor Russian. I simply try to be true to my observations, to what is going on. It is all out there to see.

    You only do fake straw-man arguments: I never said anything in what you listed in that stream of consciousness of yours, how can I respond? The straw-man is another favorite tool of people who are losing, they invent fantastic goals for the others and then pathetically claim that since ‘they were not reached’, the enemy lost. It is a sad refuge.

    I listed very specific things that are hard to deny: the size of the Russian advance and Nato gone from Ukraine. If you think those can be reversed, tell us when and how. If they are not reversed it will be a win for Russia and a loss for the current rulers in Kiev. There is no other way a normal person can interpret it. The fact the Russians will not be in Warsaw or Dover has nothing to do with it. US is also not in Shanghai or Tehran (and not for a lack of trying).

    I am not sure you are capable of sober analysis. Based on that picture of yourself, well, maybe we should go easy on you, you don’t seem to have long.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    I listed very specific things that are hard to deny: the size of the Russian advance and Nato gone from Ukraine.
     
    Facts:

    1. Russia started on the edge of Popasna. It is now on the edge of Bakhmut. That is 33km in over 4 months. Or roughly a third of a kilometre a day. At this rate, they'll reach Lviv in ~10 years. Of course, their supply lines would break long before that, as every third of a kilometre advanced, makes the Russian military effort more difficult. This is a result of an all out effort by the Russian military. Far in excess, as a proportion of their power, of what the US put into Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years. And to hold this territory, Russia will need to sustain that much greater effort much longer. Not going to happen. Ukraine wins as soon as Russia leaves. Without a diplomatic solution, Russia inevitably loses, and it cannot force a diplomatic solution.

    2. There was no NATO in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion. There is a substantial amount of NATO in Ukraine now. Support for Ukraine joining NATO has also increased exponentially and Russia no longer has the threat of invasion to deter Ukraine joining.

    Replies: @Beckow

  580. @A123
    @Beckow


    Liberals are dead-ender nuts and their self-hatred is unbound.
    ...
    A more stupid and self-denying statement would be hard to find – and yet it summarizes the current liberal hysteria in the West. It also shows the mental cul-de-sac where these morons reside.

     
    Instead of a statement, how about a picture: (1)

     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/Leftist-democrat-woke-progressive-1086x1536.jpg

    Rarely does an image encapsulate a moment in U.S. political history so succinctly. This is a brilliant, absolutely brilliant, representation of a modern leftist who votes politically in favor of democrats. This artwork is one of the best encapsulations I have seen in years.

    The image is particularly poignant because modern leftists must pretend not to know things in order to advance their political ideology. The suburban female voter, perfectly showcased as a “Karen” type figure (and the gender shaded imagery) is a representation of a wealthy, white, female, suburban liberal who drives the overall policy direction of the toxic political left.
     
    The good news -- Christian "Western" Populism is beating SJW "Anti-Western" Globalism.

    As we have seen in Portland and Minneapolis, Leftoids have been reduced to burning their own dwellings as a demonstration of rage. "Anti-Western" violence is ultimately self defeating.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/26/the-modern-democrat-voter/

    Replies: @Beckow

    A few adjustments in that picture would make it even more realistic: the darkies would be on top, the women more fat and ugly, and there would definitely be a few tattoos.

    You should also not confuse left with what these weirdos are doing. For most Europeans “left” is still about better social policies, better incomes, less idiotic privatized sidewalks. I understand that for you it is different, but these people are not “left”, they are moronic liberals. I think most use ‘extreme center’, or the undefinable “progressivism” as self-identification.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Beckow



    The good news — Christian “Western” Populism is beating SJW “Anti-Western” Globalism.

    As we have seen in Portland and Minneapolis, Leftoids have been reduced to burning their own dwellings as a demonstration of rage. “Anti-Western” violence is ultimately self defeating.
     

    You should also not confuse left with what these weirdos are doing. For most Europeans “left” is still about better social policies, better incomes, less idiotic privatized sidewalks. I understand that for you it is different, but these people are not “left”, they are moronic liberals. I think most use ‘extreme center’, or the undefinable “progressivism” as self-identification.
     
    Populist / Globalist is probably the best terminology available today:

        • Globalists love MegaCorporations and SJW values.
        • Populists want "better incomes" and oppose MegaCorporation grifting like "idiotic privatized sidewalks".
    ___

    Trying to use Left the way you define it is highly problematic:

        > Leftist "social policy" enthusiastically supports worker replacement via mass migration. Thus, the Left is for "wage suppression" definitely not "better incomes".
        > Rightist migration policies are essential for citizens to achieve "better incomes".

    One of the key characteristics of Leftoids is Mental Compartmentalization. As an act of dogmatic faith, they can believe mutually contradictory things at the same time. For example, liberal immigration policy and increased wages. These are obviously exclusionary concepts, yet the devout Left will claim to want both of them.

    PEACE 😇

  581. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Is that you in that video? Get some sleep, you look terrible. No wonder you use "Aether" now, you seem on your last legs.

    I am not winning anything, I am neither Ukrainian nor Russian. I simply try to be true to my observations, to what is going on. It is all out there to see.

    You only do fake straw-man arguments: I never said anything in what you listed in that stream of consciousness of yours, how can I respond? The straw-man is another favorite tool of people who are losing, they invent fantastic goals for the others and then pathetically claim that since 'they were not reached', the enemy lost. It is a sad refuge.

    I listed very specific things that are hard to deny: the size of the Russian advance and Nato gone from Ukraine. If you think those can be reversed, tell us when and how. If they are not reversed it will be a win for Russia and a loss for the current rulers in Kiev. There is no other way a normal person can interpret it. The fact the Russians will not be in Warsaw or Dover has nothing to do with it. US is also not in Shanghai or Tehran (and not for a lack of trying).

    I am not sure you are capable of sober analysis. Based on that picture of yourself, well, maybe we should go easy on you, you don't seem to have long.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I listed very specific things that are hard to deny: the size of the Russian advance and Nato gone from Ukraine.

    Facts:

    1. Russia started on the edge of Popasna. It is now on the edge of Bakhmut. That is 33km in over 4 months. Or roughly a third of a kilometre a day. At this rate, they’ll reach Lviv in ~10 years. Of course, their supply lines would break long before that, as every third of a kilometre advanced, makes the Russian military effort more difficult. This is a result of an all out effort by the Russian military. Far in excess, as a proportion of their power, of what the US put into Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years. And to hold this territory, Russia will need to sustain that much greater effort much longer. Not going to happen. Ukraine wins as soon as Russia leaves. Without a diplomatic solution, Russia inevitably loses, and it cannot force a diplomatic solution.

    2. There was no NATO in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion. There is a substantial amount of NATO in Ukraine now. Support for Ukraine joining NATO has also increased exponentially and Russia no longer has the threat of invasion to deter Ukraine joining.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances - Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region.

    Russia sent smaller portion of its forces to Ukraine than US did at the peak to Iraq-Afghanistan. It is on their border and resupplying will be easier than for Nato in the far-away places they invaded.

    I don't like "yes, we are losing, but just wait for the future..." argument. Who knows about the future? those are projections based on wishful thinking. West has been predicting Russia's collapse and running out of weapons for 4 months - as we see, incorrectly.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato - it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.

    What you are referring to is weapons-and-training from Nato. That has increased, but it is transitory and it is not like being actually in Nato.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again - and Europe simply doesn't want a war with Russia. Not yet. Overall, Nato has been pushed out of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  582. @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    People like to throw around the term “autistic” as an insult but he seems to really have that problem. He is socially clueless, concrete, has some subtle problems with language (and failed to even learn Russian despite being descended from Russian Whites, who when unimpaired unlike Mikhail have been able to preserve the Russian language across the generations), is boring, never married and has no kids.

    Because of this, I don’t bother interacting with him as much as I do with more interesting characters.

    I sort of give him a pass regarding his pro-Russian stance, it’s his ancestral homeland after all and he doesn’t get subtleties and problems. As a Russian White he is inherently better than a Bolshevik spawn.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    So says the sugar coated svido in you with a bizarre mix of some non-svido traits, making you the more preferable in this imperfect world. Like the Kiev regime, you’re great at negative projection – you wild, crazy and happening not boor.

    Keep confusing supposed language proficiency with having a good practical knowledge of other issues like history and foreign policy.

  583. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    I listed very specific things that are hard to deny: the size of the Russian advance and Nato gone from Ukraine.
     
    Facts:

    1. Russia started on the edge of Popasna. It is now on the edge of Bakhmut. That is 33km in over 4 months. Or roughly a third of a kilometre a day. At this rate, they'll reach Lviv in ~10 years. Of course, their supply lines would break long before that, as every third of a kilometre advanced, makes the Russian military effort more difficult. This is a result of an all out effort by the Russian military. Far in excess, as a proportion of their power, of what the US put into Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years. And to hold this territory, Russia will need to sustain that much greater effort much longer. Not going to happen. Ukraine wins as soon as Russia leaves. Without a diplomatic solution, Russia inevitably loses, and it cannot force a diplomatic solution.

    2. There was no NATO in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion. There is a substantial amount of NATO in Ukraine now. Support for Ukraine joining NATO has also increased exponentially and Russia no longer has the threat of invasion to deter Ukraine joining.

    Replies: @Beckow

    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances – Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region.

    Russia sent smaller portion of its forces to Ukraine than US did at the peak to Iraq-Afghanistan. It is on their border and resupplying will be easier than for Nato in the far-away places they invaded.

    I don’t like “yes, we are losing, but just wait for the future…” argument. Who knows about the future? those are projections based on wishful thinking. West has been predicting Russia’s collapse and running out of weapons for 4 months – as we see, incorrectly.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato – it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.

    What you are referring to is weapons-and-training from Nato. That has increased, but it is transitory and it is not like being actually in Nato.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again – and Europe simply doesn’t want a war with Russia. Not yet. Overall, Nato has been pushed out of Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances – Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region
     
    Can you please spell "sea" correctly? Your continued misspelling of it, in English, makes you look even more retarded.

    As for 20% of Ukraine, I precisely measured the distance of the Russian advance. You can point out that Russia has some other success in the first week, on other axes, representing just as little distance, but that only makes your point worse - as obviously the first week was exceptional, and the following 4 months have been ordinary.

    A third of a kilometre a day is not what conquering and assimilating a country is made of. Especially given that the truly hard bit is actually the assimilation. Not driving 33km from your border. Pathetic.

    Indeed, calling this third of a kilometre a day ordinary for Russia is generous to Russia, given that they occupy less territory than they did almost 4 months ago. They essentially had a surprise initial advance and then a number of ignominious defeats and withdrawals, followed by a grim snails' pace crawl over strategically useless territory.

    Try to use your brain, Beckow. If Afghanistan could only be won in agreement with the Taliban, so the Americans could never achieve it because the Taliban could just wait, how does Russia win in Ukraine? They need something to give the Ukrainians to get them to agree to peace. What are they going to give them? You can't win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years. And you only get to the point where you can consider that issue once you have enacted at least nominal control over all of their territory, which, by itself, is obviously impossible for Russia.

    That you can't see proves how mindf*cked you are.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato – it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.
     
    Ukraine has infinitely more NATO kit, training, trainers, and general support, than it ever did. And as soon as Russia gives up trying to conquer and assimilate Ukraine, Ukraine joins NATO. Bad luck.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again – and Europe simply doesn’t want a war with Russia.
     
    You think that Europe is less sympathetic to Ukraine because of this war?

    And that Russia looks stronger than it seemed in European perceptions before this war?

    Haha

    You're totally mindf*cked.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

  584. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Lavrov's anti-semitic remarks were so damaging that even Putler himself had to come out of his most recent hiatus and try and whitewash his top minister's incredible faux-paus. Hopefully you loaned them some of that "ethnic-cleanser" that you've been using lately?

    https://image.politicalcartoons.com/262901/600/denazification-in-ukraine.png

    Replies: @Mikhail

    He didn’t make an anti-Jewish remark as noted.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/04052022-sergey-lavrovs-comments-about-jews-oped/

    Putin’s reported apology was along the lines of what’s noted in the above piece, having to do with a presentation being negatively taken in a way that wasn’t intended by Lavrov.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mikhail


    Putin’s reported apology was along the lines of what’s noted in the above piece, having to do with a presentation being negatively taken in a way that wasn’t intended by Lavrov.
     
    I believe that we are recycling a discussion point that the Ukie Maximalists *lost* a number of Open Threads ago.

    Lavrov made a point that would have been innocuous a genealogy conference. However, that is not where it was made. The timing and context was clearly a mistake by Lavrov. Putin intervened almost immediately to defuse the threat to Israeli-Russia relations.

    Zelensky was much, much, much, more offensive to indigenous Palestinian Jews back in March. (1)

    Zelensky’s Address to Israel Didn’t Go Over Very Well

    Ukraine leader insists Israel can’t mediate between good and evil; Knesset Members rip speech riddled with Holocaust references
    ...
    The Ukrainian leader also earned the ire of figures in the Likud-led opposition.

    Zelensky is trying “to rewrite history and erase the involvement of the Ukrainian people in the extermination of Jews,” charged far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich (Religious Zionism).

    Senior Likud MK Yuval Steinitz warned that the Ukrainian president’s words “bordered on Holocaust denial.”

    “War is always a terrible thing,” wrote Steinitz in his response to the speech, “but every comparison between a regular war, as difficult as it is, and the extermination of millions of Jews in gas chambers in the framework of the Final Solution is a complete distortion of history.”
     
    New elections are likely to replace Bennett's far-left inclusive coalition with a more centrist Likud led government. And, they were particularly displeased by Zelensky's historical revisionism.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/zelenskys-address-to-israel-didnt-go-over-very-well/
  585. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikhail

    Yes, "Mikhail" look to competence from some groomer sex tourist, and not the leaders of the most successful countries in the world.

    Makes sense.

    And anyone who disagrees with you is a "troll."

    What a worldview!

    I wonder if you have the abstract thinking skills to extrapolate from your thought process here to everything else and what that must do to you as a person?

    Mindf*cked.

    Replies: @AP, @Mikhail

    In your case, that’s an appropriate characterization.

  586. @Verymuchalive
    @Dmitry

    A high percentage of East European properties are post-War, high-rise, reinforced concrete flats. Nearly all of them were built by the State and rented by it to tenants. After the end of Communism , they were sold at low prices to the sitting tenants or even given away.They literally are brutalist slurry. Places like Moscow have several thousand of them dotted all over the city.

    There is a serious problem with this method of construction. These buildings have a life expectancy of 50 to 100 years. However, given the low construction standards of the time and later, 50 to 60 years is more realistic, especially in Eastern Europe. Many don’t even last that long.
    https://theconversation.com/the-problem-with-reinforced-concrete-56078

    In Britain, Right-to-Buy legislation enabled many tenants to buy Council (State ) housing. Nearly all the older, more durable properties were purchased thereby. Getting rid of the newer, high rise concrete blocks was much more difficult. Purchase prices were low – they reflected the life expectancy of the building ( let’s say, 20-30 years ), not full construction costs. Even so, few bought.

    A high percentage ( > 50% ) of these high-rises have since been knocked down, many of them less than the 50 years old. One case I know, the building was less than 30 years old. They were not only substandard in construction, but many had serious heating and damp problems, too. Their replacements were in costlier, more durable construction types.

    So, Eastern Europe has a lot of homeowners in seriously substandard properties like the above, which would have been demolished in the West decades ago. Later this century – sooner rather than later – these will have to be replaced. If they are replaced with more durable construction types – brick. steel framed buildings etc – this will be costly. Only the affluent will be able to purchase such properties. Many will be let to tenants, instead. If, however, they are replaced with more of the same, then the full cost of construction will be factored into the purchase price or rent.

    Regardless of any other factors, this means that the percentage of home owners in the population of these countries will diminish rapidly over this century, likely to levels now seen in Western Europe.
    Brutalist slurry does not have a solid market value, as these people will find out.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    You don’t know much about buildings and real estate. The socialist building standards were solid and the high-rises have lasted. Most have been renovated and upgraded and the market for them is very good (check prices to see for yourself).

    The West has also built the same kind of housing and most of it still stands. I dont know about England, but England has some of the worst and least affordable housing in Europe, I wouldn’t boast.

    If you look at a few cherry-picked examples you can find anything. In general the socialist built housing has held up, it has been around often for 50-60 years and nobody is tearing it down.

    In comparison, most wood-and-plaster American suburban housing has life expectancy of 75 years – nothing lasts forever, West or East. It will all have to replaced eventually – as in the past, as always.

    So not much of a difference. Is this another one of the perennial Western arguments: “our sh..t doesn’t stink! Your housing will collapse, ours will last forever!!!“.

    You guys are really amusing, and with all that culture and books available, you still mostly think like little screaming tribal lap-dogs. Not much future in that now.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    It gets worse. Now Beckow is favourably comparing Stalinist blocks to the housing in the American suburbs. Perhaps the worst mass living accommodation occupied by white people, versus perhaps the best. I prefer denser city living, or the woods themselves, but this really is a very stupid comparison by Beckow.

    What continually interests me about support for Russia is how bizarre its cheerleaders are in their other opinions and/or personal lives. The famous ones, so that we know their personal lives, are a bunch of paedos, or kooks who married their daughters into terrorist dynasties. Or Andrew Anglin! Meanwhile the anonymous ones can barely seem to scratch out a sane opinion on a single topic.

    What's worse is that they seem to possess almost no memory of their own thoughts and expectations from month to month. Nor the ability to self-reflect on how they got to this point. Some New Age people will refer to this "energy" as "void energy" and I like the metaphor. Not just because there seems to be a void where their agency should be, but also that they resonate emptiness.

    Mindf*cked.

    Replies: @Beckow

  587. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances - Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region.

    Russia sent smaller portion of its forces to Ukraine than US did at the peak to Iraq-Afghanistan. It is on their border and resupplying will be easier than for Nato in the far-away places they invaded.

    I don't like "yes, we are losing, but just wait for the future..." argument. Who knows about the future? those are projections based on wishful thinking. West has been predicting Russia's collapse and running out of weapons for 4 months - as we see, incorrectly.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato - it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.

    What you are referring to is weapons-and-training from Nato. That has increased, but it is transitory and it is not like being actually in Nato.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again - and Europe simply doesn't want a war with Russia. Not yet. Overall, Nato has been pushed out of Ukraine.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances – Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region

    Can you please spell “sea” correctly? Your continued misspelling of it, in English, makes you look even more retarded.

    As for 20% of Ukraine, I precisely measured the distance of the Russian advance. You can point out that Russia has some other success in the first week, on other axes, representing just as little distance, but that only makes your point worse – as obviously the first week was exceptional, and the following 4 months have been ordinary.

    A third of a kilometre a day is not what conquering and assimilating a country is made of. Especially given that the truly hard bit is actually the assimilation. Not driving 33km from your border. Pathetic.

    Indeed, calling this third of a kilometre a day ordinary for Russia is generous to Russia, given that they occupy less territory than they did almost 4 months ago. They essentially had a surprise initial advance and then a number of ignominious defeats and withdrawals, followed by a grim snails’ pace crawl over strategically useless territory.

    Try to use your brain, Beckow. If Afghanistan could only be won in agreement with the Taliban, so the Americans could never achieve it because the Taliban could just wait, how does Russia win in Ukraine? They need something to give the Ukrainians to get them to agree to peace. What are they going to give them? You can’t win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years. And you only get to the point where you can consider that issue once you have enacted at least nominal control over all of their territory, which, by itself, is obviously impossible for Russia.

    That you can’t see proves how mindf*cked you are.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato – it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.

    Ukraine has infinitely more NATO kit, training, trainers, and general support, than it ever did. And as soon as Russia gives up trying to conquer and assimilate Ukraine, Ukraine joins NATO. Bad luck.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again – and Europe simply doesn’t want a war with Russia.

    You think that Europe is less sympathetic to Ukraine because of this war?

    And that Russia looks stronger than it seemed in European perceptions before this war?

    Haha

    You’re totally mindf*cked.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    You can’t win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years.
     
    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.
    There are also real constraints on the military hardware that can be given to Ukraine, there are only a few hundred of the heavy artillery pieces the Ukrainians want in Europe (e. g. France apparently only had 70 of those Caesar artillery, Germany only has about 100 Panzerhaubitzen 2000, with maybe 40 being operational at any time), and obviously NATO countries can't just hand over their entire inventory. Ammunition will also be a problem, manufacturing capabilities can't be scaled up easily. Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren't that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back.
    I don't have much sympathy for Beckow's Russophile sentiments and one certainly can't just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...You think that Europe is less sympathetic to Ukraine because of this war?
     
    It is not about sympathy but self-interest. Europe was shaken by what Russia did - a line was crossed. Russia demonstrated tangibly how this could get out of hand and how dangerous having Nato in Ukraine would be. Also how stupid the idea was in the first place - this is quietly acknowledged.

    I mentioned Nato weapons and training, but that is very different from being a Nato member. Weapons get used up - as the German-reader pointed out, there is a limited supply. There will not be a Nato base in Ukraine because Russia would destroy it - and no Nato country will publicly take the risk and the potential losses. You can fool yourself with transitory excitement, but what Russia did put an end to Nato in Ukraine. (Unless of course, Kiev wins the war.)

    Ukrainian nationalists are not Taleban (thank God), their demographic profile, willingness to sacrifice, outlook on life is completely different. There are not large numbers of surplus young men as in Afghanistan. Based on that, they won't fight to death. Their families won't let them.

    The 1/3 of km argument is convoluted and irrelevant in the long run. You play with timelines, understate distances, count this and not that, discard early gains because they were 'too early'. It will mean nothing in the future. If the lands Russians are taking are 'not strategic' why is the Ukie army dying in large numbers there?

    Wars are about destroying the enemy: gaining territory is a by-product of this destruction. Kiev has had large losses, about 50% in material and losing 10's of thousands of trained personnel - they can rearm and re-stuff one-two times, but eventually Russia will grind them down. And it won't matter much where the precise front-line is at that point, without a viable army Kiev cannot fight this war. The only hope Kiev has is that Russian army morale cracks first. Given that 30-40% of the Russian army are the local Donbas militias (all of them Ukrainians!) that is unlikely, they are even more pissed than the Ukies.

    If you fix your over-excited and foul-mouthed writing, I will work on spelling. Maybe. English is not my first or even second language, how many languages do you speak?

  588. S says:
    @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    North Korea is a horse of a different color. And it is not necessarily far outside local historical norms. "Hermit Kingdom" was actually coined to describe Korea, when it had its own king. And before that, didn't they once burn foreign sailors alive?


    Boy Scouts in Seattle recently marched carrying the flag of the homintern:
    https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1541154337891799041?s=20&t=IZMlh0gCSJOGJy5yfWCCwQ

    Replies: @S

    Boy Scouts in Seattle recently marched carrying the flag of the homintern:

    I thought the BSA (Boy Scouts of America) was bankrupt and now defunct with all those sex abuse charges. I guess not.

    Anyhow, Sir Baden Powell and his sister Agnes, founders of the Boy Scouts and Girl Guides respectively in Britain, would no doubt be appalled.

    While where on the subject, below is a pic of a mass rally of eleven thousand Boy Scouts held in 1909 at the Crystal Palace in London. Several hundred young girls of about the same age (in scout uniforms) would crash the party and demand the right to participate in similar activities.

    They soon got their wish with the Girl Guides [See pic at bottom from July, 1965 of the old and new British Girl Guide uniforms.] And, no, despite early concerns that they were to be an ‘Amazon Cadet Corps’, they would both have the opportunity to experience adventure to their hearts content and simultaneously retain a healthy femininity about themselves, just as the boys got to experience adventure and retain a healthy masculinity…well, at least for many a long year. 🙂

    • Thanks: songbird
  589. @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.
     
    Those terraced houses you posted pictures of in 533 are working class or upper working class/lower middle class houses of the past. 80-100 metres is small working class housing or people living on social security (like retirement housing), though nowadays in the largest cities you may find people living in smaller dwellings due to population increase and pressure on housing stock. I notice the graphic posted is from London, I guess for new builds.

    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.

    Would probably have?

    Where did you get this probably from, it’s nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?

    People in Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol – is that what you mean?

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average. Nowhere in the UK a couple of teachers can afford an 8-bedroom house.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class, and the graphic was taken from an article on the current trend in the UK, which is that houses are becoming smaller.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    According this link, just 6% of housing in the UK has more occupiers than bedrooms.

    Meanwhile, 70% of housing has at least one more bedroom than there are occupiers.

    Given that the ratio of bathrooms to bedrooms tends to be close to equal, and that it is rare not to have a kitchen and living room, it seems exceedingly likely that an average middle income couple will have 8+ rooms in their dwelling.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/censustransformationprogramme/questiondevelopment/housingcommunalestablishmentsandvisitors/estimatingthenumberofroomsandbedroomsinthe2021censusanalternativeapproachusingvaluationofficeagencydata#local-authority-level-comparisons-for-number-of-rooms-and-bedrooms

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    , @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    Where did you get this probably from, it’s nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?
     
    You sound like you do not know much about this subject with this comment in relation to the UK housing market, and the later one:

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average.
     
    If you were in the UK the issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester or even more say, Middlesborough wouldn't need explaining.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.
     
    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers? For information about historic terraced housing design in Britain there is a nice book by Stefan Muthesius called 'The English Terraced House' (Yale, 1982) which has plenty of detail on the different types of terraced houses.

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class...
     
    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn't write bedrooms.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry

  590. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Verymuchalive

    You don't know much about buildings and real estate. The socialist building standards were solid and the high-rises have lasted. Most have been renovated and upgraded and the market for them is very good (check prices to see for yourself).

    The West has also built the same kind of housing and most of it still stands. I dont know about England, but England has some of the worst and least affordable housing in Europe, I wouldn't boast.

    If you look at a few cherry-picked examples you can find anything. In general the socialist built housing has held up, it has been around often for 50-60 years and nobody is tearing it down.

    In comparison, most wood-and-plaster American suburban housing has life expectancy of 75 years - nothing lasts forever, West or East. It will all have to replaced eventually - as in the past, as always.

    So not much of a difference. Is this another one of the perennial Western arguments: "our sh..t doesn't stink! Your housing will collapse, ours will last forever!!!".

    You guys are really amusing, and with all that culture and books available, you still mostly think like little screaming tribal lap-dogs. Not much future in that now.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It gets worse. Now Beckow is favourably comparing Stalinist blocks to the housing in the American suburbs. Perhaps the worst mass living accommodation occupied by white people, versus perhaps the best. I prefer denser city living, or the woods themselves, but this really is a very stupid comparison by Beckow.

    What continually interests me about support for Russia is how bizarre its cheerleaders are in their other opinions and/or personal lives. The famous ones, so that we know their personal lives, are a bunch of paedos, or kooks who married their daughters into terrorist dynasties. Or Andrew Anglin! Meanwhile the anonymous ones can barely seem to scratch out a sane opinion on a single topic.

    What’s worse is that they seem to possess almost no memory of their own thoughts and expectations from month to month. Nor the ability to self-reflect on how they got to this point. Some New Age people will refer to this “energy” as “void energy” and I like the metaphor. Not just because there seems to be a void where their agency should be, but also that they resonate emptiness.

    Mindf*cked.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Oh, boy, stupid is as stupid writes. Whatever.

    Stalin died in 1953. The socialist housing I talked about is from 1960's to 80's. If you are lost in the past, get a calendar.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with "Russia" - we were discussing housing in Czecho-Slovakia, Hungary, maybe E Germany as compared to similar housing in W Europe. Pay attention.

    My point was about "longevity" of housing: it all deteriorates, West and East. Including the "American suburbs", plaster-and-wood don't last forever, actually they deteriorate faster than bricks and cement. It is about how long they will last before having to be replaced - can you read?

    You seem too dense with an inborn hatred that make you lash out without bothering to read what others say. I am guessing an embittered exile from somewhere, am I close?

  591. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances – Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region
     
    Can you please spell "sea" correctly? Your continued misspelling of it, in English, makes you look even more retarded.

    As for 20% of Ukraine, I precisely measured the distance of the Russian advance. You can point out that Russia has some other success in the first week, on other axes, representing just as little distance, but that only makes your point worse - as obviously the first week was exceptional, and the following 4 months have been ordinary.

    A third of a kilometre a day is not what conquering and assimilating a country is made of. Especially given that the truly hard bit is actually the assimilation. Not driving 33km from your border. Pathetic.

    Indeed, calling this third of a kilometre a day ordinary for Russia is generous to Russia, given that they occupy less territory than they did almost 4 months ago. They essentially had a surprise initial advance and then a number of ignominious defeats and withdrawals, followed by a grim snails' pace crawl over strategically useless territory.

    Try to use your brain, Beckow. If Afghanistan could only be won in agreement with the Taliban, so the Americans could never achieve it because the Taliban could just wait, how does Russia win in Ukraine? They need something to give the Ukrainians to get them to agree to peace. What are they going to give them? You can't win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years. And you only get to the point where you can consider that issue once you have enacted at least nominal control over all of their territory, which, by itself, is obviously impossible for Russia.

    That you can't see proves how mindf*cked you are.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato – it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.
     
    Ukraine has infinitely more NATO kit, training, trainers, and general support, than it ever did. And as soon as Russia gives up trying to conquer and assimilate Ukraine, Ukraine joins NATO. Bad luck.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again – and Europe simply doesn’t want a war with Russia.
     
    You think that Europe is less sympathetic to Ukraine because of this war?

    And that Russia looks stronger than it seemed in European perceptions before this war?

    Haha

    You're totally mindf*cked.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    You can’t win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years.

    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.
    There are also real constraints on the military hardware that can be given to Ukraine, there are only a few hundred of the heavy artillery pieces the Ukrainians want in Europe (e. g. France apparently only had 70 of those Caesar artillery, Germany only has about 100 Panzerhaubitzen 2000, with maybe 40 being operational at any time), and obviously NATO countries can’t just hand over their entire inventory. Ammunition will also be a problem, manufacturing capabilities can’t be scaled up easily. Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren’t that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back.
    I don’t have much sympathy for Beckow’s Russophile sentiments and one certainly can’t just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren’t that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back
     
    Absolutely. I can only be certain of France as a serious military in Europe. The UK can function, but only just. There are also some others like Finland that punch far above their weight, but can obviously only operate on their own territory.

    On the other hand, Ukraine, prior to the beginning of this war, had a very mediocre military, but Russia has only advanced a third of a kilometre a day against it. This says what we need to know about Russia.

    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.
     
    Germany should have a world class military. It does not. Hopefully the German government will learn its lesson. Or the German people will make it. But then again, NATO is really the US military umbrella, and the German people may be happy with that deal. It is good value for zero money after all.

    I don’t have much sympathy for Beckow’s Russophile sentiments and one certainly can’t just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.
     
    Then I'm not sure you're understanding me.

    Ukraine is guaranteed money for years. It is transitioning onto NATO equipment. And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine. The amount is far less than the US expended in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years, and the US military-industrial complex barely broke a sweat.

    In fact, the US only fully stopped when the now Iraqi Prime-Minister made an agreement with Biden. And he was seen as a trusted man given that he edited Newsweek, is a British citizen and was a longtime vocal opponent of Saddam Hussein. In other words, the US actually stayed the course. Unbelievable, I know.

    Meanwhile, Russia is stuck fighting on its own border 4 months later, the time in which the US could overrun Afghanistan, on the other side of the world, 5 times, and only able to conduct operations on terrain that is most favourable to it.

    Furthermore, the Russian economy is predicted, by their own Central Bank, to collapse more than any year of the US Great Depression. Much more.

    I think people, when they talk of "recession", need to understand that shrinking a fraction of a percentage in a given year is just completely irrelevant compared to what Russia is facing. 2020, and the Western economic shutdown, was painful, but a pip among a mountain of fruit compared to that.

    Militarily, if Russia does manage to advance out of the Donbas, it will have to try to take Kharkhiv or Mykolaiv, but there is no evidence for them having the capability.

    Furthermore, to knock Ukraine out of the war, Russia needs to at least take Kyiv. What else is going to bring Ukraine to surrender? Not that even that likely would. And Zelenskyy represents the soft liberal Russian-speaking faction of Ukrainian opinion. Forcing him into a peace by taking Kyiv and threatening Lviv would be a miracle, but Ukrainians would obviously fight on through unconventional means.

    For clarity on Ukrainian victory, you need focus on the fact that they only need outlast Russia in Ukraine. That's literally it. It isn't a happy fact, or one that augurs anything nice for anyone in the near future, but it is inevitably true.

    And America can fund and equip them for a fraction of the cost of Iraq, while even the most peacenik Russophone Ukrainians are now refusing to negotiate with Russia. It is amazing what happens to TV comedian liberals when you invade their country, destroy their homes and murder their children. Or is it actually predictable?

    Russia's only feasible route to victory was a collapse of the Ukrainian government and a pro-Russia government taking its place, born on the backs of genuine popularity. Once it was clear that this was never going to happen, after just 3 days of the war, Russia should have withdrawn. Wars are not about "scoring points." They are about enforcing political solutions. Russia can no longer do that, even if they can murder a lot of Ukrainians. I am not being "optimistic" by pointing out this fact. I am being grimly realistic. I wish the Russians had the courage to be the same.

    In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that a swift 3 day victory for Russia would have been ok, but only if it were achievable: if there had really been substantial pro-Russian popular support waiting in the wings and the consent of the Ukrainians to be governed by Russia, but reality has revealed that idea as a total fantasy and now those who previously sympathised with Russia can distinguish themselves as capable of reflection by adjusting their image of things, or remain mindf*cked slaves to Russian propaganda. Their choice and their destinies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sean

  592. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @Coconuts


    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.
     
    Would probably have?

    Where did you get this probably from, it's nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?

    People in Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol – is that what you mean?

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average. Nowhere in the UK a couple of teachers can afford an 8-bedroom house.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.

    https://i.postimg.cc/7ZTBf2M6/UK-salaries.png

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class, and the graphic was taken from an article on the current trend in the UK, which is that houses are becoming smaller.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

    According this link, just 6% of housing in the UK has more occupiers than bedrooms.

    Meanwhile, 70% of housing has at least one more bedroom than there are occupiers.

    Given that the ratio of bathrooms to bedrooms tends to be close to equal, and that it is rare not to have a kitchen and living room, it seems exceedingly likely that an average middle income couple will have 8+ rooms in their dwelling.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/censustransformationprogramme/questiondevelopment/housingcommunalestablishmentsandvisitors/estimatingthenumberofroomsandbedroomsinthe2021censusanalternativeapproachusingvaluationofficeagencydata#local-authority-level-comparisons-for-number-of-rooms-and-bedrooms

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Bathrooms and wardrobes are not counted as rooms, neither do kitchens.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  593. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    According to the chart in the article in Germany it is 1.8. The chart refers to housing, not houses.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    According to the chart in the article in Germany it is 1.8. The chart refers to housing, not houses.

    Well read the entire article, it’s clearly about houses, not apartments. Or try once again to use your brain as a normal person is supposed to use it – think.

    An average family in Germany is a couple with one or two children, that is 3 or 4 people, right? And you said that you agree, that most people in Germany live in apartments, right?

    Therefore we have a situation here – 3 or 4 people and an apartment, in which you say they have 1.8 rooms per person on the average. So how many rooms an average apartment should have?

    For a 3 people family 5.5, and for a 4 people family, 7 rooms.

    The largest apartments have 5 rooms and are very expensive. An average apartment in Germany has 3 or 4 rooms.

    There are no 7 room apartments, except for some penthouses. Most people in Germany live in apartments. Thus, either the 1.8 fugure is entirely wrong, or the article was about detached houses and didn’t take apartments into account.

    Do you understand the arithmetic, you fool?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Sharikov can’t read. The article begins by discussing housing not houses. Housing includes both houses and apartments. The chart refers to housing.

    Later it discusses homes and has a chart about those, and then discusses housing again. For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    Sharikov was too dumb to figure that out and got confused.


    one or two children, that is 3 or 4 people, right? And you said that you agree, that most people in Germany live in apartments, right?

    Therefore we have a situation here – 3 or 4 people and an apartment, in which you say they have 1.8 rooms per person on the average. So

     

    Sharikov can’t reason.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.

    Furthermore, a significant portion (though not a majority) of Germans do live in detached houses.

    These facts altogether indicate that what I wrote is consistent with reality.

    But Here be Sharikov, incapable of reasoning, read the fact that the average German has 1.5 (or whatever) children and decided that therefore every household in Germany has 3-4 people in it, did some math, and decided that this would mean that the average housing unit should have about 6-8 rooms.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.

    In fact, it appears that the average household size in Germany, when one takes into account families, single people, divorcees, pensioners is 2 people:

    https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=b6a82e2a656042b899bb88a1aeca5751

    What cruel monsters, gave Sharikov the gift of reading but not the gift of reason?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  594. Something unusual is going on. After repeating blatant lies of imperial and Ukie propaganda for weeks, French TV showed the real people in Lisichansk expressing their opinions: they know that it is the Ukrainian army that shells them and kills their children; they don’t want to move to Ukraine-controlled areas; they see Russia, not Europe, as being on their side. Most Donbass residents always had these opinions, but it’s the first time in at least eight years any Western MSM acknowledged this side of reality. What gives?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    Nonsense. Western media have been signal boosting geriatric and minority sympathy for Russia in the Donbas all through the war and for a decade before that. It makes for interesting stories. You're just unable to remember the last million odd times you saw such articles and had the same such "revelation."

    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western. This seems to override your memory of your actual experiences. It is one way people are mindf*cked. Ron Unz tries to do the same to his audience here. I imagine, if you consider it in the abstract, you can get a clear internal picture of how it works.

    It makes the recipients of this mindf*cking see Western self-criticism and off narrative journalism, which abounds, as perfect, inarguable confirmation of Russian, or whomever, narratives.

    As such "admittances" could only ever be true, as axiomatically, the West does not self-criticise, which is a bizarre way to think about the most constructively self-critical civilisation in history, except perhaps the Ancient Greeks.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61372382

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  595. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Coconuts caught you in yet another lie. You presented a working class or lower middle class townhouse as a typical townhouse when it was not so.


    Speaking of privacy, when you see people walking, out of the window, living on the ground like that, hear the cars passing, people talking, it doesn’t add to privacy at all
     
    In a townhouse’s yard, one can be seen by the two neighbors when relaxing outside, having a barbecue and eating in one’s backyard yard, etc. People living in large buildings must do these things in public parks or in the yard of the building complexes, which involves far less privacy.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Coconuts caught you in yet another lie. You presented a working class or lower middle class townhouse as a typical townhouse when it was not so.

    Coconut said something, and that something doesn’t mean anything, like much of what you say as well. You calling me a liar doesn’t make me a liar.

    Britain’s new-build homes are the smallest in Western Europe and many are too small for family life, says a new report by the Royal Institute of British Architects.

    The largest “double bedroom” is just 3.4m by 2.5m, with barely enough room for a double bed. The other two bedrooms are even smaller and downstairs the picture is the same.

    The floor area of the average new three-bedroom home in the UK is 88 sq m – some 8 sq m short of its recommended space.

    And houses are getting smaller. The average UK home – including older and new-build properties is 85 sq m and has 5.2 rooms – with an average area of 16.3 sq m per room.

    In comparison the average new home in the UK is 76 sq ms and has 4.8 rooms with an average area of 15.8 sq m per room.

    ‘Shoebox homes’ become the UK norm
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-14916580

  596. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    You can’t win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years.
     
    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.
    There are also real constraints on the military hardware that can be given to Ukraine, there are only a few hundred of the heavy artillery pieces the Ukrainians want in Europe (e. g. France apparently only had 70 of those Caesar artillery, Germany only has about 100 Panzerhaubitzen 2000, with maybe 40 being operational at any time), and obviously NATO countries can't just hand over their entire inventory. Ammunition will also be a problem, manufacturing capabilities can't be scaled up easily. Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren't that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back.
    I don't have much sympathy for Beckow's Russophile sentiments and one certainly can't just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren’t that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back

    Absolutely. I can only be certain of France as a serious military in Europe. The UK can function, but only just. There are also some others like Finland that punch far above their weight, but can obviously only operate on their own territory.

    On the other hand, Ukraine, prior to the beginning of this war, had a very mediocre military, but Russia has only advanced a third of a kilometre a day against it. This says what we need to know about Russia.

    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.

    Germany should have a world class military. It does not. Hopefully the German government will learn its lesson. Or the German people will make it. But then again, NATO is really the US military umbrella, and the German people may be happy with that deal. It is good value for zero money after all.

    I don’t have much sympathy for Beckow’s Russophile sentiments and one certainly can’t just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.

    Then I’m not sure you’re understanding me.

    Ukraine is guaranteed money for years. It is transitioning onto NATO equipment. And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine. The amount is far less than the US expended in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years, and the US military-industrial complex barely broke a sweat.

    In fact, the US only fully stopped when the now Iraqi Prime-Minister made an agreement with Biden. And he was seen as a trusted man given that he edited Newsweek, is a British citizen and was a longtime vocal opponent of Saddam Hussein. In other words, the US actually stayed the course. Unbelievable, I know.

    Meanwhile, Russia is stuck fighting on its own border 4 months later, the time in which the US could overrun Afghanistan, on the other side of the world, 5 times, and only able to conduct operations on terrain that is most favourable to it.

    Furthermore, the Russian economy is predicted, by their own Central Bank, to collapse more than any year of the US Great Depression. Much more.

    I think people, when they talk of “recession”, need to understand that shrinking a fraction of a percentage in a given year is just completely irrelevant compared to what Russia is facing. 2020, and the Western economic shutdown, was painful, but a pip among a mountain of fruit compared to that.

    Militarily, if Russia does manage to advance out of the Donbas, it will have to try to take Kharkhiv or Mykolaiv, but there is no evidence for them having the capability.

    Furthermore, to knock Ukraine out of the war, Russia needs to at least take Kyiv. What else is going to bring Ukraine to surrender? Not that even that likely would. And Zelenskyy represents the soft liberal Russian-speaking faction of Ukrainian opinion. Forcing him into a peace by taking Kyiv and threatening Lviv would be a miracle, but Ukrainians would obviously fight on through unconventional means.

    For clarity on Ukrainian victory, you need focus on the fact that they only need outlast Russia in Ukraine. That’s literally it. It isn’t a happy fact, or one that augurs anything nice for anyone in the near future, but it is inevitably true.

    And America can fund and equip them for a fraction of the cost of Iraq, while even the most peacenik Russophone Ukrainians are now refusing to negotiate with Russia. It is amazing what happens to TV comedian liberals when you invade their country, destroy their homes and murder their children. Or is it actually predictable?

    Russia’s only feasible route to victory was a collapse of the Ukrainian government and a pro-Russia government taking its place, born on the backs of genuine popularity. Once it was clear that this was never going to happen, after just 3 days of the war, Russia should have withdrawn. Wars are not about “scoring points.” They are about enforcing political solutions. Russia can no longer do that, even if they can murder a lot of Ukrainians. I am not being “optimistic” by pointing out this fact. I am being grimly realistic. I wish the Russians had the courage to be the same.

    In fact, I’d even go so far as to say that a swift 3 day victory for Russia would have been ok, but only if it were achievable: if there had really been substantial pro-Russian popular support waiting in the wings and the consent of the Ukrainians to be governed by Russia, but reality has revealed that idea as a total fantasy and now those who previously sympathised with Russia can distinguish themselves as capable of reflection by adjusting their image of things, or remain mindf*cked slaves to Russian propaganda. Their choice and their destinies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine.
     
    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1541509031411474439?cxt=HHwWjoCztf-SxeQqAAAA

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa


    And America can fund and equip them for a fraction of the cost of Iraq, while even the most peacenik Russophone Ukrainians are now refusing to negotiate with Russia. It is amazing what happens to TV comedian liberals when you invade their country, destroy their homes and murder their children. Or is it actually predictable?
     
    President Zelensky did not seem to have predicted it; he objected (on the grounds it was damaging Ukraine's tourist industry) to Biden issuing warnings about the Russian invasion just the week before it happened.

    Their choice and their destinies.
     
    Whether to try and deter at the risk of being drawn into an escalation to hostilities or appear non threatening at the risk of being seen as an easy target is always a fraught choice with no ready-made answer for every situation. Destiny consists of minding one's own business.
  597. That is 33km in over 4 months. Or roughly a third of a kilometre a day. At this rate, they’ll reach L’viv in ~10 years

    Although after killing 100,ooo Ukrainian solders; it is questionable whether territory is currently an objective of Russian generalship as they appear to have regressed to a Verdun stratagem of advances in order to draw Ukraine into counter attacks or at least standing and fighting in which they will take at least equal punishment. It sees to be working, however Verdun history suggests the Russians, like the WW1 Germans did, will forget what they are supposed to be doing (Clausewitzian destruction of the enemy army and will to continue fighting) and become enthused with showy territorial advances.

    And to hold this territory, Russia will need to sustain that much greater effort much longer.

    The slow advance and massive destruction of the current Russia methods will burn out the material and human basis for resistance, Like the Palestinians who fled their land and had problems going back, Ukrainians originally living in the annexed zone who are hostile to Russia are going to be dead or in temporary accommodation that will become permanent. For the most enterprising , L’viv, will become a waystation to joining the inviting and facilitating diaspora of women in Western Europe.

    Ukraine wins as soon as Russia leaves.

    Which would be an excellent point, if Ukraine was not a neighbour of European Russia and did not have millions of ethnic Russians. Russia is not going anywhere because it cannot, the best deal Ukraine can get was already offered to them in 2019, and Zenensky was forced to rescind in the face of Azov veterans in the forefront of 10,000 demonstrators pretesting outside his office about “capitulation” to Putin.

    There was no NATO in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion. There is a substantial amount of NATO in Ukraine now.

    There were Nato members holding military exercises in Ukraine twenty years ago, even in Crimea. Locals held demonstrations to protest. What the current war stemmed from is Russian menaces not seeming credible, the inability of Ukraine’s mon de jure status to actually deter Russia from making good on its threats with a full on invasion, and the combination of Azov and Poroshenko.

    In 2019 Normandy format negotiation were restated by Zelensky, France and Germany Zelensky and he agreed to ‘Steinmeier formula’, which stipulated elections to be held in the separatist region without a full Russian withdrawal would be recognized as legitimate by Kiev. Members of Azov participated in the “All-Ukrainian Chamber “Stop Capitulation” demonstration, which was supported by ex president Poroshenko, who has proven skills on overthrowing elected presidents by mean of mass protests and who Zelensky had shockingly defeated in the election. It is dubious that American diplomats / Deep State were was happy about Zelensky’s turn to a more confrontational approach because when all was said and done Ukraine was not a member of Nato, and had no real protection from attack through Charter Five. According to POW interviews, it was in mid 2021 that the Russian started training for a Crimea style rapid occupation, so by then Putin started to think such an operation was going to be necessary. Use of advanced US weapons in Donbas during late 2021 made up his mind. Obama had denied Ukraine weapon and Trump ought to have as well.

    It has been Poroshenko all along, he was important in the Orange revolution and instrumental in the events of 2014 which provoked Putin to use force, hired Biden’s son, got Trump to agree to supply weapons, and finally he prevented an agreement in 2019. Too focused on outmaneuvering Poroshenko in domestic politics, Zelensky did not see the danger in trying to face down Putin without full Nato membership. What public cast iron guarantees of an army coming to Ukraine’s aid in the event of hostilities did Zelensky have?; nobody is going to sign up to fight Russia.

  598. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren’t that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back
     
    Absolutely. I can only be certain of France as a serious military in Europe. The UK can function, but only just. There are also some others like Finland that punch far above their weight, but can obviously only operate on their own territory.

    On the other hand, Ukraine, prior to the beginning of this war, had a very mediocre military, but Russia has only advanced a third of a kilometre a day against it. This says what we need to know about Russia.

    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.
     
    Germany should have a world class military. It does not. Hopefully the German government will learn its lesson. Or the German people will make it. But then again, NATO is really the US military umbrella, and the German people may be happy with that deal. It is good value for zero money after all.

    I don’t have much sympathy for Beckow’s Russophile sentiments and one certainly can’t just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.
     
    Then I'm not sure you're understanding me.

    Ukraine is guaranteed money for years. It is transitioning onto NATO equipment. And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine. The amount is far less than the US expended in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years, and the US military-industrial complex barely broke a sweat.

    In fact, the US only fully stopped when the now Iraqi Prime-Minister made an agreement with Biden. And he was seen as a trusted man given that he edited Newsweek, is a British citizen and was a longtime vocal opponent of Saddam Hussein. In other words, the US actually stayed the course. Unbelievable, I know.

    Meanwhile, Russia is stuck fighting on its own border 4 months later, the time in which the US could overrun Afghanistan, on the other side of the world, 5 times, and only able to conduct operations on terrain that is most favourable to it.

    Furthermore, the Russian economy is predicted, by their own Central Bank, to collapse more than any year of the US Great Depression. Much more.

    I think people, when they talk of "recession", need to understand that shrinking a fraction of a percentage in a given year is just completely irrelevant compared to what Russia is facing. 2020, and the Western economic shutdown, was painful, but a pip among a mountain of fruit compared to that.

    Militarily, if Russia does manage to advance out of the Donbas, it will have to try to take Kharkhiv or Mykolaiv, but there is no evidence for them having the capability.

    Furthermore, to knock Ukraine out of the war, Russia needs to at least take Kyiv. What else is going to bring Ukraine to surrender? Not that even that likely would. And Zelenskyy represents the soft liberal Russian-speaking faction of Ukrainian opinion. Forcing him into a peace by taking Kyiv and threatening Lviv would be a miracle, but Ukrainians would obviously fight on through unconventional means.

    For clarity on Ukrainian victory, you need focus on the fact that they only need outlast Russia in Ukraine. That's literally it. It isn't a happy fact, or one that augurs anything nice for anyone in the near future, but it is inevitably true.

    And America can fund and equip them for a fraction of the cost of Iraq, while even the most peacenik Russophone Ukrainians are now refusing to negotiate with Russia. It is amazing what happens to TV comedian liberals when you invade their country, destroy their homes and murder their children. Or is it actually predictable?

    Russia's only feasible route to victory was a collapse of the Ukrainian government and a pro-Russia government taking its place, born on the backs of genuine popularity. Once it was clear that this was never going to happen, after just 3 days of the war, Russia should have withdrawn. Wars are not about "scoring points." They are about enforcing political solutions. Russia can no longer do that, even if they can murder a lot of Ukrainians. I am not being "optimistic" by pointing out this fact. I am being grimly realistic. I wish the Russians had the courage to be the same.

    In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that a swift 3 day victory for Russia would have been ok, but only if it were achievable: if there had really been substantial pro-Russian popular support waiting in the wings and the consent of the Ukrainians to be governed by Russia, but reality has revealed that idea as a total fantasy and now those who previously sympathised with Russia can distinguish themselves as capable of reflection by adjusting their image of things, or remain mindf*cked slaves to Russian propaganda. Their choice and their destinies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sean

    And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine.

    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:
     
    Why do you say "even?"

    Other than trying to reach the truth, which I believe of most people, their next biggest incentive is precisely to doubt future Western support, so as to lobby to increase it, and to lobby to make sure production is ramped up.

    You think anyone in the US military-industrial complex ever got fired for saying that the US military is not well-funded enough or hasn't ramped up production enough?

    No, that's how you get promoted! Lol

    But we know the truth of this matter, because we know the US military budget and we know what they supplied Iraq and Afghanistan without breaking a sweat. The $40 billion in aid, and the bountiful equipment, sent to Ukraine so far, is tiny compared to that.

    Perhaps you believed US military-industrual marketing that said Russia has a peer-like military that could sweep Europe? I didn't, because I knew, which is one of the reasons I was actually very sympathetic to Russia.

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.
     
    Please re-read my comment. It seems to me that you are attributing some definition of "Russian defeat" to me that I don't have.

    To restate: for Ukraine to win, they need only outlast Russia in Ukraine.

    So, unless Russia can build up the areas they have captured and gain popular support, Russia will eventually find that the cost of occupation is too high. And Russia achieving this "unless" condition is obviously impossible.

    The only question is the timeline and the suffering enacted along the way.

    Occupation of a well-funded, motivated and supplied European population is brutal. Northern Ireland was much worse for Britain than Afghanistan. And the Catholics in Northern Ireland were a minority, with basically no international friends, stuck on a literal island and isolated.

    Other interesting points:

    1. If Russia secures the Donbas as territory recognised to them through peace with Ukraine, Ukraine will immediately join NATO, as it will not longer be barred by being in conflict. Russia cannot have that, but they also cannot stop it.

    2. The more territory that Russia takes, the larger that their occupation force will have to be. Already they probably require about 150,000 permanently stationed troops, at least if the conventional outlet if open war for Donbas dissent closes, which it has to for Russia to have any peace at all.

    Furthermore, these 150,000 will require rotation at least once a year. It would be a mad undertaking.

    3. Given the inevitable trajectory of this war, but the uncertain timeline, I favour whatever action will get to that end point soonest. I don't want to see Russia bleed out in a Ukrainian insurgency for years or even decades. I don't want to see this conventional conflict draw out into 2023. The former would happen if the West withdrew all formal support. The latter might happen if things stay the same. This is why I favour telling Russia that "enough is enough." They can accept neutrally administered plebiscites in the Donbas or we can bomb their forces in Ukraine. I'm not sure the Ukrainians would agree, but I don't see any other way for this to end quickly. Yes, it would ramp up talk of nucleae conflagration as Russia would be looking at a humiliating withdrawal, but we're going to reach that point some time in the future anyway. Perhaps the the threat can be in private to mitigate this. I don't know. Or perhaps I am being too risk happy and really the most peaceable solution is this horrible grinding war going on long into the future, while the Russian economy collapses, Western homes are colder and we wait for mindf*cked Russians realising they they have literally no point in continuing their grotesque invasion, while trying to help the Ukrainians to force this realisation onto them as soon as possible. I don't know.

    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory and this is a very bad place for them to be in. The only way out is back.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

  599. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    Something unusual is going on. After repeating blatant lies of imperial and Ukie propaganda for weeks, French TV showed the real people in Lisichansk expressing their opinions: they know that it is the Ukrainian army that shells them and kills their children; they don’t want to move to Ukraine-controlled areas; they see Russia, not Europe, as being on their side. Most Donbass residents always had these opinions, but it’s the first time in at least eight years any Western MSM acknowledged this side of reality. What gives?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Nonsense. Western media have been signal boosting geriatric and minority sympathy for Russia in the Donbas all through the war and for a decade before that. It makes for interesting stories. You’re just unable to remember the last million odd times you saw such articles and had the same such “revelation.”

    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western. This seems to override your memory of your actual experiences. It is one way people are mindf*cked. Ron Unz tries to do the same to his audience here. I imagine, if you consider it in the abstract, you can get a clear internal picture of how it works.

    It makes the recipients of this mindf*cking see Western self-criticism and off narrative journalism, which abounds, as perfect, inarguable confirmation of Russian, or whomever, narratives.

    As such “admittances” could only ever be true, as axiomatically, the West does not self-criticise, which is a bizarre way to think about the most constructively self-critical civilisation in history, except perhaps the Ancient Greeks.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61372382

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western.
     
    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.

    Not to mention that Western MSM now demonstrate the “unanimousness” that was previously achieved only twice in history, In Hitler’s Nazi Germany in late 1930-s and in Stalin’s USSR in the same period. This “unanimousness” of Western MSM that agrees 100% with the shit spewed by the officials of Western governments tells me all I need to know.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikhail, @Ron Unz

  600. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    1. You are ignoring the Black See advances – Mariupol, Kherson. Look at the map on the front page of Unz, it shows clearly all the territory that Russia now controls. It is 20% of Ukraine. It was maybe 5% before, only 1/3 of the Donbas region
     
    Can you please spell "sea" correctly? Your continued misspelling of it, in English, makes you look even more retarded.

    As for 20% of Ukraine, I precisely measured the distance of the Russian advance. You can point out that Russia has some other success in the first week, on other axes, representing just as little distance, but that only makes your point worse - as obviously the first week was exceptional, and the following 4 months have been ordinary.

    A third of a kilometre a day is not what conquering and assimilating a country is made of. Especially given that the truly hard bit is actually the assimilation. Not driving 33km from your border. Pathetic.

    Indeed, calling this third of a kilometre a day ordinary for Russia is generous to Russia, given that they occupy less territory than they did almost 4 months ago. They essentially had a surprise initial advance and then a number of ignominious defeats and withdrawals, followed by a grim snails' pace crawl over strategically useless territory.

    Try to use your brain, Beckow. If Afghanistan could only be won in agreement with the Taliban, so the Americans could never achieve it because the Taliban could just wait, how does Russia win in Ukraine? They need something to give the Ukrainians to get them to agree to peace. What are they going to give them? You can't win a war against a people that has guaranteed funding for years. And you only get to the point where you can consider that issue once you have enacted at least nominal control over all of their territory, which, by itself, is obviously impossible for Russia.

    That you can't see proves how mindf*cked you are.

    2. As it is, Ukraine cannot now be in Nato – it is a battlefield. There will be no Nato bases there, no Article 5 guarantee. Before the war, Nato was busily building up infrastructure and two bases (Berdiansk and Ochakov). Gone now.
     
    Ukraine has infinitely more NATO kit, training, trainers, and general support, than it ever did. And as soon as Russia gives up trying to conquer and assimilate Ukraine, Ukraine joins NATO. Bad luck.

    The fact that Russia invaded is a show-stopper for many European countries to approve Kiev in Nato. They invaded once, they would do it again – and Europe simply doesn’t want a war with Russia.
     
    You think that Europe is less sympathetic to Ukraine because of this war?

    And that Russia looks stronger than it seemed in European perceptions before this war?

    Haha

    You're totally mindf*cked.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Beckow

    …You think that Europe is less sympathetic to Ukraine because of this war?

    It is not about sympathy but self-interest. Europe was shaken by what Russia did – a line was crossed. Russia demonstrated tangibly how this could get out of hand and how dangerous having Nato in Ukraine would be. Also how stupid the idea was in the first place – this is quietly acknowledged.

    I mentioned Nato weapons and training, but that is very different from being a Nato member. Weapons get used up – as the German-reader pointed out, there is a limited supply. There will not be a Nato base in Ukraine because Russia would destroy it – and no Nato country will publicly take the risk and the potential losses. You can fool yourself with transitory excitement, but what Russia did put an end to Nato in Ukraine. (Unless of course, Kiev wins the war.)

    Ukrainian nationalists are not Taleban (thank God), their demographic profile, willingness to sacrifice, outlook on life is completely different. There are not large numbers of surplus young men as in Afghanistan. Based on that, they won’t fight to death. Their families won’t let them.

    The 1/3 of km argument is convoluted and irrelevant in the long run. You play with timelines, understate distances, count this and not that, discard early gains because they were ‘too early‘. It will mean nothing in the future. If the lands Russians are taking are ‘not strategic‘ why is the Ukie army dying in large numbers there?

    Wars are about destroying the enemy: gaining territory is a by-product of this destruction. Kiev has had large losses, about 50% in material and losing 10’s of thousands of trained personnel – they can rearm and re-stuff one-two times, but eventually Russia will grind them down. And it won’t matter much where the precise front-line is at that point, without a viable army Kiev cannot fight this war. The only hope Kiev has is that Russian army morale cracks first. Given that 30-40% of the Russian army are the local Donbas militias (all of them Ukrainians!) that is unlikely, they are even more pissed than the Ukies.

    If you fix your over-excited and foul-mouthed writing, I will work on spelling. Maybe. English is not my first or even second language, how many languages do you speak?

  601. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Obviously the Russians will have issues of their own, but imo this war shows that NATO countries probably aren’t that well prepared for intense peer to peer-warfare, which is a very different thing from bombing or drone-striking Islamic insurgents with limited capability to shoot back
     
    Absolutely. I can only be certain of France as a serious military in Europe. The UK can function, but only just. There are also some others like Finland that punch far above their weight, but can obviously only operate on their own territory.

    On the other hand, Ukraine, prior to the beginning of this war, had a very mediocre military, but Russia has only advanced a third of a kilometre a day against it. This says what we need to know about Russia.

    Winter will be harsh for much of continental Europe due to energy shortages, EU is now well on its way to recession.
     
    Germany should have a world class military. It does not. Hopefully the German government will learn its lesson. Or the German people will make it. But then again, NATO is really the US military umbrella, and the German people may be happy with that deal. It is good value for zero money after all.

    I don’t have much sympathy for Beckow’s Russophile sentiments and one certainly can’t just acquiesce in Russia annexing huge territories, but your optimism is bizarre.
     
    Then I'm not sure you're understanding me.

    Ukraine is guaranteed money for years. It is transitioning onto NATO equipment. And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine. The amount is far less than the US expended in Afghanistan and Iraq for 20 years, and the US military-industrial complex barely broke a sweat.

    In fact, the US only fully stopped when the now Iraqi Prime-Minister made an agreement with Biden. And he was seen as a trusted man given that he edited Newsweek, is a British citizen and was a longtime vocal opponent of Saddam Hussein. In other words, the US actually stayed the course. Unbelievable, I know.

    Meanwhile, Russia is stuck fighting on its own border 4 months later, the time in which the US could overrun Afghanistan, on the other side of the world, 5 times, and only able to conduct operations on terrain that is most favourable to it.

    Furthermore, the Russian economy is predicted, by their own Central Bank, to collapse more than any year of the US Great Depression. Much more.

    I think people, when they talk of "recession", need to understand that shrinking a fraction of a percentage in a given year is just completely irrelevant compared to what Russia is facing. 2020, and the Western economic shutdown, was painful, but a pip among a mountain of fruit compared to that.

    Militarily, if Russia does manage to advance out of the Donbas, it will have to try to take Kharkhiv or Mykolaiv, but there is no evidence for them having the capability.

    Furthermore, to knock Ukraine out of the war, Russia needs to at least take Kyiv. What else is going to bring Ukraine to surrender? Not that even that likely would. And Zelenskyy represents the soft liberal Russian-speaking faction of Ukrainian opinion. Forcing him into a peace by taking Kyiv and threatening Lviv would be a miracle, but Ukrainians would obviously fight on through unconventional means.

    For clarity on Ukrainian victory, you need focus on the fact that they only need outlast Russia in Ukraine. That's literally it. It isn't a happy fact, or one that augurs anything nice for anyone in the near future, but it is inevitably true.

    And America can fund and equip them for a fraction of the cost of Iraq, while even the most peacenik Russophone Ukrainians are now refusing to negotiate with Russia. It is amazing what happens to TV comedian liberals when you invade their country, destroy their homes and murder their children. Or is it actually predictable?

    Russia's only feasible route to victory was a collapse of the Ukrainian government and a pro-Russia government taking its place, born on the backs of genuine popularity. Once it was clear that this was never going to happen, after just 3 days of the war, Russia should have withdrawn. Wars are not about "scoring points." They are about enforcing political solutions. Russia can no longer do that, even if they can murder a lot of Ukrainians. I am not being "optimistic" by pointing out this fact. I am being grimly realistic. I wish the Russians had the courage to be the same.

    In fact, I'd even go so far as to say that a swift 3 day victory for Russia would have been ok, but only if it were achievable: if there had really been substantial pro-Russian popular support waiting in the wings and the consent of the Ukrainians to be governed by Russia, but reality has revealed that idea as a total fantasy and now those who previously sympathised with Russia can distinguish themselves as capable of reflection by adjusting their image of things, or remain mindf*cked slaves to Russian propaganda. Their choice and their destinies.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Sean

    And America can fund and equip them for a fraction of the cost of Iraq, while even the most peacenik Russophone Ukrainians are now refusing to negotiate with Russia. It is amazing what happens to TV comedian liberals when you invade their country, destroy their homes and murder their children. Or is it actually predictable?

    President Zelensky did not seem to have predicted it; he objected (on the grounds it was damaging Ukraine’s tourist industry) to Biden issuing warnings about the Russian invasion just the week before it happened.

    Their choice and their destinies.

    Whether to try and deter at the risk of being drawn into an escalation to hostilities or appear non threatening at the risk of being seen as an easy target is always a fraught choice with no ready-made answer for every situation. Destiny consists of minding one’s own business.

  602. @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon


    ...The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.
     
    I would say a few tens of thousands in non-Soviet countries. They were mostly relatives and buddies of the top people, not the people themselves. There was an amazingly high percentage of nephews and brothers-in-law among the corrupt who then very easily transitioned after 1989 to be the main oligarchs.

    The post-1989 corruption is orders of magnitude bigger - it is not comparable, how come that doesn't bother anyone? Because corruption is not the real issue for the West - they are also corrupt in their own gigantic ways - corruption is a tool against enemies as it has always been - even under commies the accusation of corruption (mostly true) was used for power struggle.

    The corruption under the socialist system was very curtailed: they could only steal so much and couldn't parade it publicly. They couldn't move money abroad. That would be a kiss of death for a career of their benefactors. Sometimes the commie gment made an example of someone and that meant that the sponsoring elite member also lost his position. It doesn't happen anymore. They got that fixed.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

    Well the corruption under the socialist system in Russia was what – sometimes a bribe, like to get a better apartment from the state, or to get it faster, waiting less, and that wasn’t a norm, and wasn’t happening everywhere. Did happen sometimes, here and there.

    People often got arrested for that.

    On the top level though there were cases like illegal diamond trade, contraband – but that’s a regular crime. There wasn’t much corruption back then.

    That was after the collapse of the system, when they started privatization, started selling state assets for one tenth of the cost, with kickbacks and all that, and that was the people who had access to those assets, who had connections to those who were making decisions, the people on the top.

    A few hundred people on the top were initiating and controlling the entire corruption.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon


    ....A few hundred people on the top were initiating and controlling the entire corruption.
     
    I think it was a bit more, in Czecho-Slovakia in tens of thousands. There were local honchos that would move up people on waitlists for free apartments or for a really-good free vacation.

    But I agree, it was relatively minor. I suspect even in the super-uncorrupt socialist Sweden or Finland it occasionally happens with government largesse. We say "a shirt is closer than a coat" - it always will be, no matter what the system.

    The massive theft after 1989 was done mostly by the nomenclatura insiders and their families. Some became oligarchs. Andrej Babis in Czechia is a good example: his dad was a party chief in a small western Slovak district that had country's largest fertilizer plant. Babis was smart, hard-working, and in the early 90's quickly took "ownership" of the plant. Then he drove around newly-privatised farms in Czechia and offered to the desperate farmers to be paid partially in land. Repeat for a few years and his land-holding company (Agrofert) became the biggest company in Czechia...next he became Finance Minister and then Prime Minister.

    Nothing wrong with it, he is among the more deserving ones. But the question: "And how did you make your first million?" is too sensitive. As it is in the West.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  603. @Here Be Dragon
    @Coconuts


    Middle class people outside of London, say two people who are teachers with two children, would probably have 8 or 9 rooms, plus a garden.
     
    Would probably have?

    Where did you get this probably from, it's nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?

    People in Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol – is that what you mean?

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average. Nowhere in the UK a couple of teachers can afford an 8-bedroom house.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.

    https://i.postimg.cc/7ZTBf2M6/UK-salaries.png

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class, and the graphic was taken from an article on the current trend in the UK, which is that houses are becoming smaller.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Coconuts

    Where did you get this probably from, it’s nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?

    You sound like you do not know much about this subject with this comment in relation to the UK housing market, and the later one:

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average.

    If you were in the UK the issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester or even more say, Middlesborough wouldn’t need explaining.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.

    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers? For information about historic terraced housing design in Britain there is a nice book by Stefan Muthesius called ‘The English Terraced House’ (Yale, 1982) which has plenty of detail on the different types of terraced houses.

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class…

    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn’t write bedrooms.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Coconuts


    The issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester wouldn’t need explaining.
     
    And it doesn't need it. You were supposed to understand that prices and salaries are connected.

    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers?
     
    Because my post is not a guess, there's a reference and information, easy to verify.

    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.
     
    You confuse social and economic definitions of classes. The middle class are people with income of 75 to 200 percent of the median.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn’t write bedrooms.
     
    Well you should have, because in my post bathrooms weren't counted.


    https://www.oecd.org/unitedkingdom/Middle-class-2019-United-Kingdom.pdf

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    Middlesborough wouldn’t need explaining.
     
    Lol in Middleborough, you can buy luxury apartments in this building for £300,000 ($370.000). With this money, you can actually look like you live in England.

    https://media.rightmove.co.uk/36k/35312/121829237/35312_31394582_IMG_18_0000.jpeg

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/121829237#/


    Whereas in London, for £250,000 ($300,000) you can only buy this level of "luxury". For $300,000 in London, you would have to imagine you are living in outbacks of Russia/Ukraine/Belarus, rather than Jane Austen's land.

    https://media.rightmove.co.uk/112k/111050/75626640/111050_1155391_IMG_04_0000.jpg

    https://media.rightmove.co.uk/112k/111050/75626640/111050_1155391_IMG_03_0000.jpg

    https://media.rightmove.co.uk/112k/111050/75626640/111050_1155391_IMG_01_0000.jpg

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/75626640#/?channel=RES_BUY

  604. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    It gets worse. Now Beckow is favourably comparing Stalinist blocks to the housing in the American suburbs. Perhaps the worst mass living accommodation occupied by white people, versus perhaps the best. I prefer denser city living, or the woods themselves, but this really is a very stupid comparison by Beckow.

    What continually interests me about support for Russia is how bizarre its cheerleaders are in their other opinions and/or personal lives. The famous ones, so that we know their personal lives, are a bunch of paedos, or kooks who married their daughters into terrorist dynasties. Or Andrew Anglin! Meanwhile the anonymous ones can barely seem to scratch out a sane opinion on a single topic.

    What's worse is that they seem to possess almost no memory of their own thoughts and expectations from month to month. Nor the ability to self-reflect on how they got to this point. Some New Age people will refer to this "energy" as "void energy" and I like the metaphor. Not just because there seems to be a void where their agency should be, but also that they resonate emptiness.

    Mindf*cked.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Oh, boy, stupid is as stupid writes. Whatever.

    Stalin died in 1953. The socialist housing I talked about is from 1960’s to 80’s. If you are lost in the past, get a calendar.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with “Russia” – we were discussing housing in Czecho-Slovakia, Hungary, maybe E Germany as compared to similar housing in W Europe. Pay attention.

    My point was about “longevity” of housing: it all deteriorates, West and East. Including the “American suburbs”, plaster-and-wood don’t last forever, actually they deteriorate faster than bricks and cement. It is about how long they will last before having to be replaced – can you read?

    You seem too dense with an inborn hatred that make you lash out without bothering to read what others say. I am guessing an embittered exile from somewhere, am I close?

  605. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    And the US, by itself, can supply what is required to Ukraine.
     
    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:
    https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1541509031411474439?cxt=HHwWjoCztf-SxeQqAAAA

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:

    Why do you say “even?”

    Other than trying to reach the truth, which I believe of most people, their next biggest incentive is precisely to doubt future Western support, so as to lobby to increase it, and to lobby to make sure production is ramped up.

    You think anyone in the US military-industrial complex ever got fired for saying that the US military is not well-funded enough or hasn’t ramped up production enough?

    No, that’s how you get promoted! Lol

    But we know the truth of this matter, because we know the US military budget and we know what they supplied Iraq and Afghanistan without breaking a sweat. The $40 billion in aid, and the bountiful equipment, sent to Ukraine so far, is tiny compared to that.

    Perhaps you believed US military-industrual marketing that said Russia has a peer-like military that could sweep Europe? I didn’t, because I knew, which is one of the reasons I was actually very sympathetic to Russia.

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.

    Please re-read my comment. It seems to me that you are attributing some definition of “Russian defeat” to me that I don’t have.

    To restate: for Ukraine to win, they need only outlast Russia in Ukraine.

    So, unless Russia can build up the areas they have captured and gain popular support, Russia will eventually find that the cost of occupation is too high. And Russia achieving this “unless” condition is obviously impossible.

    The only question is the timeline and the suffering enacted along the way.

    Occupation of a well-funded, motivated and supplied European population is brutal. Northern Ireland was much worse for Britain than Afghanistan. And the Catholics in Northern Ireland were a minority, with basically no international friends, stuck on a literal island and isolated.

    Other interesting points:

    1. If Russia secures the Donbas as territory recognised to them through peace with Ukraine, Ukraine will immediately join NATO, as it will not longer be barred by being in conflict. Russia cannot have that, but they also cannot stop it.

    2. The more territory that Russia takes, the larger that their occupation force will have to be. Already they probably require about 150,000 permanently stationed troops, at least if the conventional outlet if open war for Donbas dissent closes, which it has to for Russia to have any peace at all.

    Furthermore, these 150,000 will require rotation at least once a year. It would be a mad undertaking.

    3. Given the inevitable trajectory of this war, but the uncertain timeline, I favour whatever action will get to that end point soonest. I don’t want to see Russia bleed out in a Ukrainian insurgency for years or even decades. I don’t want to see this conventional conflict draw out into 2023. The former would happen if the West withdrew all formal support. The latter might happen if things stay the same. This is why I favour telling Russia that “enough is enough.” They can accept neutrally administered plebiscites in the Donbas or we can bomb their forces in Ukraine. I’m not sure the Ukrainians would agree, but I don’t see any other way for this to end quickly. Yes, it would ramp up talk of nucleae conflagration as Russia would be looking at a humiliating withdrawal, but we’re going to reach that point some time in the future anyway. Perhaps the the threat can be in private to mitigate this. I don’t know. Or perhaps I am being too risk happy and really the most peaceable solution is this horrible grinding war going on long into the future, while the Russian economy collapses, Western homes are colder and we wait for mindf*cked Russians realising they they have literally no point in continuing their grotesque invasion, while trying to help the Ukrainians to force this realisation onto them as soon as possible. I don’t know.

    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory and this is a very bad place for them to be in. The only way out is back.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...The only way out is back.
     
    They think the only way is forward.

    - It is not Russia that has to recognize Donbas separation, it is Kiev. They may never do it, so you have a territorial dispute that blocks Ukraine from Nato.

    - I doubt very much Russia would need any occupation force in Donbas. You keep on forgetting that Donbas has 60-100k militia fighting Ukies - they will be sufficient to manage it.

    - Some areas would need permanent forces - and some of them would be recruited locally. There are a lot of Russians, or Russian-speakers, or halfies in the south-east. Your vision of a homogeneous Ukrainian nationalist population is a fantasy.

    - The weapons are useless without soldiers willing to die using them. Nato can send $40 billion or $100 billion each year, if Ukie army shrinks due to losses and population gets tired of dying, it will be over. I know it is a big "if", but seems as likely as a heroic resistance forever.

    - Russian economy is unlikely to collapse. To put it bluntly: they have stuff others always want to buy. How would that change short of returning to stone age?

    You are misunderstanding a lot of things.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory
     
    I do not think to end this Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019), and I think Putin understood it was going to be costly even if it went exactly as planned. All indications are that Putin decided on war only because Ukraine was not taking Russia's threat to wreck Ukraine seriously, not because there was anything to win materially. The kind of 'a victory is not attainable for Russia' thinking you are espousing is exactly what led Ukraine to conclude Russia was bluffing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

  606. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    According to the chart in the article in Germany it is 1.8. The chart refers to housing, not houses.

     

    Well read the entire article, it's clearly about houses, not apartments. Or try once again to use your brain as a normal person is supposed to use it – think.

    An average family in Germany is a couple with one or two children, that is 3 or 4 people, right? And you said that you agree, that most people in Germany live in apartments, right?

    Therefore we have a situation here – 3 or 4 people and an apartment, in which you say they have 1.8 rooms per person on the average. So how many rooms an average apartment should have?

    For a 3 people family 5.5, and for a 4 people family, 7 rooms.

    The largest apartments have 5 rooms and are very expensive. An average apartment in Germany has 3 or 4 rooms.

    There are no 7 room apartments, except for some penthouses. Most people in Germany live in apartments. Thus, either the 1.8 fugure is entirely wrong, or the article was about detached houses and didn't take apartments into account.

    Do you understand the arithmetic, you fool?

    Replies: @AP

    Sharikov can’t read. The article begins by discussing housing not houses. Housing includes both houses and apartments. The chart refers to housing.

    Later it discusses homes and has a chart about those, and then discusses housing again. For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    Sharikov was too dumb to figure that out and got confused.

    one or two children, that is 3 or 4 people, right? And you said that you agree, that most people in Germany live in apartments, right?

    Therefore we have a situation here – 3 or 4 people and an apartment, in which you say they have 1.8 rooms per person on the average. So

    Sharikov can’t reason.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.

    Furthermore, a significant portion (though not a majority) of Germans do live in detached houses.

    These facts altogether indicate that what I wrote is consistent with reality.

    But Here be Sharikov, incapable of reasoning, read the fact that the average German has 1.5 (or whatever) children and decided that therefore every household in Germany has 3-4 people in it, did some math, and decided that this would mean that the average housing unit should have about 6-8 rooms.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.

    In fact, it appears that the average household size in Germany, when one takes into account families, single people, divorcees, pensioners is 2 people:

    https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=b6a82e2a656042b899bb88a1aeca5751

    What cruel monsters, gave Sharikov the gift of reading but not the gift of reason?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Well, go ahead, retarded.


    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).
     
    And it doesn't mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.
     
    Most of the time it is.

    Most people as well do not own these apartments. The apartments are rented, and if owned then sold sometimes as well, etc.

    The situation is that most people have an apartment of the size determined as standard, and that is 45 square meters for a single person, and then 15 meters more for another person. The average room size is 15 square meters.

    No matter the size of families, the ratio is not going to be 1.8 room per person. It will be somewhere between 1.25 to 1.5, a man would understand, a chimpanzee can't count.

    Furthermore, a significant portion of Germans do live in detached houses.
     
    Yes, in the rural areas, about 25 percent, but those are not big houses, though a bit bigger than a flat.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.
     
    To think is a concept a chimpanzee cannot understand. You can't count, on top of that, well read then.

    For a couple, 1.8 rooms per person is a 3.6 room apartment, that's either a 4 or a 3 room apartment, for a childless couple, on average, and that's not how that is.

    For a couple with a child, 1.8 rooms per person is a 5.4 room apartment, that's either a 5 or a 6 room apartment, for a couple with a child, on average, and that's not how that is.

    For a couple with two children, 1.8 rooms per person is a 7 room apartment, for a couple with two children, on average, and that's not how that is.

    People in Germany can't afford that kind of housing.

    Read on, idiot.


    Housing in Germany
    https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/lifestyle-cuisine/housing-in-germany

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

  607. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    Nonsense. Western media have been signal boosting geriatric and minority sympathy for Russia in the Donbas all through the war and for a decade before that. It makes for interesting stories. You're just unable to remember the last million odd times you saw such articles and had the same such "revelation."

    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western. This seems to override your memory of your actual experiences. It is one way people are mindf*cked. Ron Unz tries to do the same to his audience here. I imagine, if you consider it in the abstract, you can get a clear internal picture of how it works.

    It makes the recipients of this mindf*cking see Western self-criticism and off narrative journalism, which abounds, as perfect, inarguable confirmation of Russian, or whomever, narratives.

    As such "admittances" could only ever be true, as axiomatically, the West does not self-criticise, which is a bizarre way to think about the most constructively self-critical civilisation in history, except perhaps the Ancient Greeks.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61372382

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western.

    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.

    Not to mention that Western MSM now demonstrate the “unanimousness” that was previously achieved only twice in history, In Hitler’s Nazi Germany in late 1930-s and in Stalin’s USSR in the same period. This “unanimousness” of Western MSM that agrees 100% with the shit spewed by the officials of Western governments tells me all I need to know.

    • Thanks: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    You said that such articles were new, so I replied with an older one disproving your statement.

    I can supply many, many more, and by doing a quick Google search, so can you.

    How do you reconcile your latest comment with these facts? I have tried to steelman an argument for you in my head, on this specific issue, but I have absolutely no idea how you can do it. Please help!

    , @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Recall the advice you gave me about interacting with such an individual.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.
     
    I haven't noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I'd be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you? Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  608. @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow

    Well the corruption under the socialist system in Russia was what – sometimes a bribe, like to get a better apartment from the state, or to get it faster, waiting less, and that wasn't a norm, and wasn't happening everywhere. Did happen sometimes, here and there.

    People often got arrested for that.

    On the top level though there were cases like illegal diamond trade, contraband – but that's a regular crime. There wasn't much corruption back then.

    That was after the collapse of the system, when they started privatization, started selling state assets for one tenth of the cost, with kickbacks and all that, and that was the people who had access to those assets, who had connections to those who were making decisions, the people on the top.

    A few hundred people on the top were initiating and controlling the entire corruption.

    Replies: @Beckow

    ….A few hundred people on the top were initiating and controlling the entire corruption.

    I think it was a bit more, in Czecho-Slovakia in tens of thousands. There were local honchos that would move up people on waitlists for free apartments or for a really-good free vacation.

    But I agree, it was relatively minor. I suspect even in the super-uncorrupt socialist Sweden or Finland it occasionally happens with government largesse. We say “a shirt is closer than a coat” – it always will be, no matter what the system.

    The massive theft after 1989 was done mostly by the nomenclatura insiders and their families. Some became oligarchs. Andrej Babis in Czechia is a good example: his dad was a party chief in a small western Slovak district that had country’s largest fertilizer plant. Babis was smart, hard-working, and in the early 90’s quickly took “ownership” of the plant. Then he drove around newly-privatised farms in Czechia and offered to the desperate farmers to be paid partially in land. Repeat for a few years and his land-holding company (Agrofert) became the biggest company in Czechia…next he became Finance Minister and then Prime Minister.

    Nothing wrong with it, he is among the more deserving ones. But the question: “And how did you make your first million?” is too sensitive. As it is in the West.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow


    Nothing wrong with it, he is among the more deserving ones. But the question: “And how did you make your first million?” is too sensitive.
     
    A lot is wrong with it.

    For this reason alone Socialism is better, and now we have this new "elite" made of hustlers.
  609. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western.
     
    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.

    Not to mention that Western MSM now demonstrate the “unanimousness” that was previously achieved only twice in history, In Hitler’s Nazi Germany in late 1930-s and in Stalin’s USSR in the same period. This “unanimousness” of Western MSM that agrees 100% with the shit spewed by the officials of Western governments tells me all I need to know.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikhail, @Ron Unz

    You said that such articles were new, so I replied with an older one disproving your statement.

    I can supply many, many more, and by doing a quick Google search, so can you.

    How do you reconcile your latest comment with these facts? I have tried to steelman an argument for you in my head, on this specific issue, but I have absolutely no idea how you can do it. Please help!

  610. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:
     
    Why do you say "even?"

    Other than trying to reach the truth, which I believe of most people, their next biggest incentive is precisely to doubt future Western support, so as to lobby to increase it, and to lobby to make sure production is ramped up.

    You think anyone in the US military-industrial complex ever got fired for saying that the US military is not well-funded enough or hasn't ramped up production enough?

    No, that's how you get promoted! Lol

    But we know the truth of this matter, because we know the US military budget and we know what they supplied Iraq and Afghanistan without breaking a sweat. The $40 billion in aid, and the bountiful equipment, sent to Ukraine so far, is tiny compared to that.

    Perhaps you believed US military-industrual marketing that said Russia has a peer-like military that could sweep Europe? I didn't, because I knew, which is one of the reasons I was actually very sympathetic to Russia.

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.
     
    Please re-read my comment. It seems to me that you are attributing some definition of "Russian defeat" to me that I don't have.

    To restate: for Ukraine to win, they need only outlast Russia in Ukraine.

    So, unless Russia can build up the areas they have captured and gain popular support, Russia will eventually find that the cost of occupation is too high. And Russia achieving this "unless" condition is obviously impossible.

    The only question is the timeline and the suffering enacted along the way.

    Occupation of a well-funded, motivated and supplied European population is brutal. Northern Ireland was much worse for Britain than Afghanistan. And the Catholics in Northern Ireland were a minority, with basically no international friends, stuck on a literal island and isolated.

    Other interesting points:

    1. If Russia secures the Donbas as territory recognised to them through peace with Ukraine, Ukraine will immediately join NATO, as it will not longer be barred by being in conflict. Russia cannot have that, but they also cannot stop it.

    2. The more territory that Russia takes, the larger that their occupation force will have to be. Already they probably require about 150,000 permanently stationed troops, at least if the conventional outlet if open war for Donbas dissent closes, which it has to for Russia to have any peace at all.

    Furthermore, these 150,000 will require rotation at least once a year. It would be a mad undertaking.

    3. Given the inevitable trajectory of this war, but the uncertain timeline, I favour whatever action will get to that end point soonest. I don't want to see Russia bleed out in a Ukrainian insurgency for years or even decades. I don't want to see this conventional conflict draw out into 2023. The former would happen if the West withdrew all formal support. The latter might happen if things stay the same. This is why I favour telling Russia that "enough is enough." They can accept neutrally administered plebiscites in the Donbas or we can bomb their forces in Ukraine. I'm not sure the Ukrainians would agree, but I don't see any other way for this to end quickly. Yes, it would ramp up talk of nucleae conflagration as Russia would be looking at a humiliating withdrawal, but we're going to reach that point some time in the future anyway. Perhaps the the threat can be in private to mitigate this. I don't know. Or perhaps I am being too risk happy and really the most peaceable solution is this horrible grinding war going on long into the future, while the Russian economy collapses, Western homes are colder and we wait for mindf*cked Russians realising they they have literally no point in continuing their grotesque invasion, while trying to help the Ukrainians to force this realisation onto them as soon as possible. I don't know.

    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory and this is a very bad place for them to be in. The only way out is back.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    …The only way out is back.

    They think the only way is forward.

    – It is not Russia that has to recognize Donbas separation, it is Kiev. They may never do it, so you have a territorial dispute that blocks Ukraine from Nato.

    – I doubt very much Russia would need any occupation force in Donbas. You keep on forgetting that Donbas has 60-100k militia fighting Ukies – they will be sufficient to manage it.

    – Some areas would need permanent forces – and some of them would be recruited locally. There are a lot of Russians, or Russian-speakers, or halfies in the south-east. Your vision of a homogeneous Ukrainian nationalist population is a fantasy.

    – The weapons are useless without soldiers willing to die using them. Nato can send $40 billion or $100 billion each year, if Ukie army shrinks due to losses and population gets tired of dying, it will be over. I know it is a big “if”, but seems as likely as a heroic resistance forever.

    – Russian economy is unlikely to collapse. To put it bluntly: they have stuff others always want to buy. How would that change short of returning to stone age?

    You are misunderstanding a lot of things.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    – Russian economy is unlikely to collapse. To put it bluntly: they have stuff others always want to buy. How would that change short of returning to stone age?
     
    Nigeria also has stuff that people want to buy. But Russia, even taking a tenth of a step towards where Nigeria is, would be considered a collapse. Primitive resource extraction economies, of which type Russia increasingly resembles, only sustain primitive livelihoods, except for the super rich and connected. Enjoy.

    – The weapons are useless without soldiers willing to die using them. Nato can send $40 billion or $100 billion each year, if Ukie army shrinks due to losses and population gets tired of dying, it will be over. I know it is a big “if”, but seems as likely as a heroic resistance forever.
     
    You don't understand how an occupation turns a population against an occupier. Nor how little effort it is to kill occupying troops, and how low risk.

    And the Ukrainian population already hates Russia. We can see that in their incredibly brave conventional resistance.

    This means that near every Ukrainian man, when under Russian domination, will wake up, near every single day and, at least, consider, walking around the corner and shooting Russian troops in the back, and what can Russia do to stop this? Build Ukraine up? Russia can't even build Russia up.

    Let's hope Russia decides to duck this challenge.

    – Some areas would need permanent forces – and some of them would be recruited locally. There are a lot of Russians, or Russian-speakers, or halfies in the south-east. Your vision of a homogeneous Ukrainian nationalist population is a fantasy.
     
    Zelenskyy is a Russian speaker and he won the first round of the Ukrainian election on the backs of the Russian speakers. He represents them very well. They are is core constituency.

    Furthermore, a homogenous Ukrainian nationalism is forming in this invasion, so bow almost all Ukrainians oppose Russia, and it is actually Eastern Ukrainian Russian speakers who have thwarted Russian advances. I wonder who thought Russia could invade and somehow maintain substantial popularity?

    – It is not Russia that has to recognize Donbas separation, it is Kiev. They may never do it, so you have a territorial dispute that blocks Ukraine from Nato.
     
    Yes, so Russia either gets endless conventional war, or Ukraine joins NATO.

    Which means, as obviously Russia cannot sustain endless conventional war, that Ukraine will join NATO. Perhaps Russia withdrawing from the Donbas might be enough to convince the Ukrainians to not join, but I think that's unlikely to be even close to enough.

    – I doubt very much Russia would need any occupation force in Donbas. You keep on forgetting that Donbas has 60-100k militia fighting Ukies – they will be sufficient to manage it
     
    Their numbers are probably about a third of that. It'll be a fifth rate Afghan National Army.

    Realistically, Russia will need about 150,00 of its own troops for at least a few years before they can think of giving some real responsibility to their criminal puppet militias. And they'll need to pay them well, on time, ensure they aren't corrupt, equip them and somehow keep them loyal.

    All the while Russia will continue to run the Donbas into the ground, just like they have since 2014, but at an accelerating pace, given Russian economic disaster.

    Look into the history of Northern Ireland. It has a tiny population, mostly loyal to Britain and yet was much worse than Afghanistan for the UK. This is but a tiny taste of what Russia can expect, if they can even succeed in defeating Ukrainian conventional forces, for which there is no evidence anyway.

    I know you think war is about "scoring points" or attacking the enemy army, but that just shows how ignorant you are. War is about enforcing political goals. Anything else is childish fantasising. For Russia to succeed, they should have already been handing over sovreignity of the whole of Ukraine to a Ukrainian puppet and have a Russian-funded Ukrainian military doing most of their counter-insurgency patrols. They would also need a budget of about a $1 trillion set aside, at least, to essentially bribe the Ukrainians into consent with infrastructure and just plain bribes. Furthermore, they would have needed to seal Ukraine's borders from movements by both Ukrainian personnel and arms.

    But instead, they have driven 33km from where they started. United Ukraine against them. Guaranteed Ukrainian funding against them for years. And only seen Ukrainian forces increase in size, equipment and sophistication, again, against them. If Zelenskyy ever ends up going, he will be replaced by someone much harsher on Russia than him. There's no hope for Russia to achieve its political goals and a war of attrition against a nation is possibly the most idiotic endeavour I can imagine.

    I don't know what Russia can do to save its retarded pride, but I do know what is far beyond it to achieve, and that is anything that looks like a victory to anyone sane. The most they can hope for is the poisoned chalice of a hostile occupation over a small part of Ukraine that they have turned to ashes. Get used to that fact. You will have it banged against your head, relentlessly, by reality, in the future.

    Replies: @Beckow

  611. @A123
    @Dmitry

    "Home Ownership" is a terrible statistic. GW Bush and his thousand points of light over emphasized the concept. A solid dwelling can leave one ahead. A faddish, oversized McMansion has no upside potential.

    Yes. Germany and France are on a trajectory to becoming sh!th*ole countries. However, "Home Ownership" is a distant lagging indicator. The "religion" of immigrants and their progeny is a direct indicator to future outcomes: (1)


    The rate of Muslim first names [in France] for newborns could actually be as high as 25 percent

    As Remix News previously reported, urban areas are seeing the fastest growth in demographic replacement, with non-Europeans rapidly displacing people of European origin. Ethnic statistics are not available in France, so researchers must look into factors like how many people are born with Muslim names to determine demographic trends. French authorities also publish how many people were born abroad along with their children (first- and second-generation immigrants).
     
    The problem is both obvious & non-racial. The survival of Christian Europe requires de-Islamification .

    There is No Other Way

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://rmx.news/article/20-of-all-babies-born-in-france-given-muslim-first-names-in-2021/

    Replies: @Verymuchalive

    “Home Ownership” is a terrible statistic. GW Bush and his thousand points of light over emphasized the concept. A solid dwelling can leave one ahead.

    Giving mortgates to groups ( eg low income blacks ) who cannot pay back is a recipe for disaster. It creates debt that can never be repayed and bankrupts the lender. Bush and sub-prime lending certainly spring to mind.
    See my reply #590 as to why high home ownership in Eastern Europe is a temporary phenomenon and will fall rapidly later this century to Western European levels or below. The main reason being that very many Eastern Europeans do not live in a solid dwelling !

    The problem is both obvious & non-racial. The survival of Christian Europe requires de-Islamification .

    Exactemente.
    Too many of the idiots on this website don’t get it, unfortunately.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Verymuchalive


    Giving mortgages to ( eg low income blacks ) who cannot pay back is a recipe for disaster. It creates debt that can never be repaid and bankrupts the lender. Bush and sub-prime lending certainly spring to mind.
     
    AFFH and its associated race based lending is clearly a problem. However, the most egregious examples were actually loans primarily made to whites in places where housing prices appeared to be ever increasing.

    Liar Loans were low-documentation or no-documentation mortgages that both sides knew could only be made good by appreciation of the underlying house value.

    Then, Golden West made things even worse with Pick-A-Pay™ loans: (1)

    [From 2008 ] Wachovia Corp.’s second-quarter earnings report today details the risks the struggling bank faces with its now-notorious Pick-A-Pay mortgages in California.

    The home loans, the legacy of the Golden West Financial Corp. acquisition that Wachovia made in 2006, allowed borrowers to name their payment -- including paying so little that their loan balances actually rose.
    ...
    In the Central Valley, for example, Wachovia has $10.2 billion in Pick-A-Pay loans outstanding. The average LTV ratio now is 109%, the bank said, using estimated valuations from May. In the cities of Stockton and Modesto the average LTV is 116%.
     
    While the current down turn is likely to reduce house prices, there should be fewer truly toxic financial products around.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/money-company/story/2008-07-22/loan-to-value-ratios-soar-on-wachovias-pick-a-pay-home-loans-in-california-average-ltv-is-109-in-the-central-valley
  612. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @A123

    A few adjustments in that picture would make it even more realistic: the darkies would be on top, the women more fat and ugly, and there would definitely be a few tattoos.

    You should also not confuse left with what these weirdos are doing. For most Europeans "left" is still about better social policies, better incomes, less idiotic privatized sidewalks. I understand that for you it is different, but these people are not "left", they are moronic liberals. I think most use 'extreme center', or the undefinable "progressivism" as self-identification.

    Replies: @A123

    The good news — Christian “Western” Populism is beating SJW “Anti-Western” Globalism.

    As we have seen in Portland and Minneapolis, Leftoids have been reduced to burning their own dwellings as a demonstration of rage. “Anti-Western” violence is ultimately self defeating.

    You should also not confuse left with what these weirdos are doing. For most Europeans “left” is still about better social policies, better incomes, less idiotic privatized sidewalks. I understand that for you it is different, but these people are not “left”, they are moronic liberals. I think most use ‘extreme center’, or the undefinable “progressivism” as self-identification.

    Populist / Globalist is probably the best terminology available today:

        • Globalists love MegaCorporations and SJW values.
        • Populists want “better incomes” and oppose MegaCorporation grifting like “idiotic privatized sidewalks”.
    ___

    Trying to use Left the way you define it is highly problematic:

        > Leftist “social policy” enthusiastically supports worker replacement via mass migration. Thus, the Left is for “wage suppression” definitely not “better incomes”.
        > Rightist migration policies are essential for citizens to achieve “better incomes”.

    One of the key characteristics of Leftoids is Mental Compartmentalization. As an act of dogmatic faith, they can believe mutually contradictory things at the same time. For example, liberal immigration policy and increased wages. These are obviously exclusionary concepts, yet the devout Left will claim to want both of them.

    PEACE 😇

  613. @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    Even some pro-Ukrainian commenters very much doubt that:
     
    Why do you say "even?"

    Other than trying to reach the truth, which I believe of most people, their next biggest incentive is precisely to doubt future Western support, so as to lobby to increase it, and to lobby to make sure production is ramped up.

    You think anyone in the US military-industrial complex ever got fired for saying that the US military is not well-funded enough or hasn't ramped up production enough?

    No, that's how you get promoted! Lol

    But we know the truth of this matter, because we know the US military budget and we know what they supplied Iraq and Afghanistan without breaking a sweat. The $40 billion in aid, and the bountiful equipment, sent to Ukraine so far, is tiny compared to that.

    Perhaps you believed US military-industrual marketing that said Russia has a peer-like military that could sweep Europe? I didn't, because I knew, which is one of the reasons I was actually very sympathetic to Russia.

    Goal has to be preventing Russia from making major territorial gains beyond the Donbass (especially Odessa). But the idea that this will end in total Russian defeat and that the West has the will and the means to bring this about is fantasy.
     
    Please re-read my comment. It seems to me that you are attributing some definition of "Russian defeat" to me that I don't have.

    To restate: for Ukraine to win, they need only outlast Russia in Ukraine.

    So, unless Russia can build up the areas they have captured and gain popular support, Russia will eventually find that the cost of occupation is too high. And Russia achieving this "unless" condition is obviously impossible.

    The only question is the timeline and the suffering enacted along the way.

    Occupation of a well-funded, motivated and supplied European population is brutal. Northern Ireland was much worse for Britain than Afghanistan. And the Catholics in Northern Ireland were a minority, with basically no international friends, stuck on a literal island and isolated.

    Other interesting points:

    1. If Russia secures the Donbas as territory recognised to them through peace with Ukraine, Ukraine will immediately join NATO, as it will not longer be barred by being in conflict. Russia cannot have that, but they also cannot stop it.

    2. The more territory that Russia takes, the larger that their occupation force will have to be. Already they probably require about 150,000 permanently stationed troops, at least if the conventional outlet if open war for Donbas dissent closes, which it has to for Russia to have any peace at all.

    Furthermore, these 150,000 will require rotation at least once a year. It would be a mad undertaking.

    3. Given the inevitable trajectory of this war, but the uncertain timeline, I favour whatever action will get to that end point soonest. I don't want to see Russia bleed out in a Ukrainian insurgency for years or even decades. I don't want to see this conventional conflict draw out into 2023. The former would happen if the West withdrew all formal support. The latter might happen if things stay the same. This is why I favour telling Russia that "enough is enough." They can accept neutrally administered plebiscites in the Donbas or we can bomb their forces in Ukraine. I'm not sure the Ukrainians would agree, but I don't see any other way for this to end quickly. Yes, it would ramp up talk of nucleae conflagration as Russia would be looking at a humiliating withdrawal, but we're going to reach that point some time in the future anyway. Perhaps the the threat can be in private to mitigate this. I don't know. Or perhaps I am being too risk happy and really the most peaceable solution is this horrible grinding war going on long into the future, while the Russian economy collapses, Western homes are colder and we wait for mindf*cked Russians realising they they have literally no point in continuing their grotesque invasion, while trying to help the Ukrainians to force this realisation onto them as soon as possible. I don't know.

    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory and this is a very bad place for them to be in. The only way out is back.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean

    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory

    I do not think to end this Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019), and I think Putin understood it was going to be costly even if it went exactly as planned. All indications are that Putin decided on war only because Ukraine was not taking Russia’s threat to wreck Ukraine seriously, not because there was anything to win materially. The kind of ‘a victory is not attainable for Russia’ thinking you are espousing is exactly what led Ukraine to conclude Russia was bluffing.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Sean

    The Ukrainians knew that the Russians had little support in Ukraine. What they didn't know is that the Russians believed their own retarded propaganda and thought they actually had a lot of support.

    Basically, the Ukrainians didn't realise how inept the Russian government is.

    Had they realised, or had liberal Zelenskyy not won, and more right wing Poroshenko remained in charge, they would have armed every civillian as soon as Russia started their military build up. Therefore quite possibly ending the war before it began.

    What to do? Modern Europeans like to think the best of people. We like to dream of peace and freedom. We do not easily understand how completely incompetent tinpot governments like Russia's are. Nor do we quickly believe that they will follow through on their pointless murderousness.

    But, at least, we eventually learn. And then, we win. Ukrainians will secure their freedom. Russia will be defeated. As I said, the only question is when. I have given the reasons in a sober and measured manner elsewhere.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @AP
    @Sean


    I do not think Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019),
     
    Putin demanded full neutrality/no membership in any blocs (which would have meant no EU), demilitarization, regime change/deNazification (which would have included purging of nationalism from schools, some kind of monitoring regime to prevent "Nazism" reappearance, etc.) , recognition of loss of Crimea and all Donbas territories. In other words, Belarussianization with (at first) the Eurasian Customs Union.

    To get all of that, Putin will have to conquer all or most of Ukraine and to either occupy it or to successfully destroy it so thoroughly that 30 million people or so will be driven from those lands. How realistic do you think that is?

    Otherwise, any peace deal would include no interference with EU integration, no "deNazification", no demilitarization. NATO membership depends on NATO and it is unlikely that NATO will agree to it. Other details such as territorial ones would depend on how far Russia gets before the Russians or Ukrainians run out of men and equipment. We do not appear to be close to that point yet, and I have no idea when that will come. Probably not for several months at least. Until then, expect slow Russian gains of a few km per day in small parts of a thousand mile front, either in perpetuity until the Ukrainians collapse or until the Russians lose so much men and equipment that Ukraine claws back some land until they run out of gas.

    A very sad, bloody, stupid situation entirely of Russia's choosing.

    I disagree with Aether that there would be significant partisan fighting on Russian-controlled territory. Russia seems to be slowly destroying and killing everything in its path, the pro-Ukrainians all flee, leaving behind perhaps 5% to 10% of the original population, most of whom didn't flee because they are the small pro-Russian minority in those lands (or are too old to flee). Those guys won't be resisting. So Severodonetsk once had 100,000 people, now it is down to 7,000-10,000. Russians can make movies of some of the welcoming Russian forces and lie to themselves that this small number who self-selected to wait until the Russians come, represents the wishes of the people of Donbas to be liberated.

    I doubt there would be much colonization from Russia, Russia itself is losing population and who would want to move to a bombed out territory full of mines and unexploded munitions, perhaps Russia could get Tajiks to settle there. This strategy of mass destruction can work in limited areas such as Donbas but in a country the size of France? Russia does not have enough weapons and ammo to obliterate such a huge territory, the question is how much they can destroy and how far they can get, and if/how much Ukraine can recover.

    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

    Replies: @216, @A123, @Sean

  614. AP says:
    @Verymuchalive
    @Dmitry

    A high percentage of East European properties are post-War, high-rise, reinforced concrete flats. Nearly all of them were built by the State and rented by it to tenants. After the end of Communism , they were sold at low prices to the sitting tenants or even given away.They literally are brutalist slurry. Places like Moscow have several thousand of them dotted all over the city.

    There is a serious problem with this method of construction. These buildings have a life expectancy of 50 to 100 years. However, given the low construction standards of the time and later, 50 to 60 years is more realistic, especially in Eastern Europe. Many don’t even last that long.
    https://theconversation.com/the-problem-with-reinforced-concrete-56078

    In Britain, Right-to-Buy legislation enabled many tenants to buy Council (State ) housing. Nearly all the older, more durable properties were purchased thereby. Getting rid of the newer, high rise concrete blocks was much more difficult. Purchase prices were low – they reflected the life expectancy of the building ( let’s say, 20-30 years ), not full construction costs. Even so, few bought.

    A high percentage ( > 50% ) of these high-rises have since been knocked down, many of them less than the 50 years old. One case I know, the building was less than 30 years old. They were not only substandard in construction, but many had serious heating and damp problems, too. Their replacements were in costlier, more durable construction types.

    So, Eastern Europe has a lot of homeowners in seriously substandard properties like the above, which would have been demolished in the West decades ago. Later this century – sooner rather than later – these will have to be replaced. If they are replaced with more durable construction types – brick. steel framed buildings etc – this will be costly. Only the affluent will be able to purchase such properties. Many will be let to tenants, instead. If, however, they are replaced with more of the same, then the full cost of construction will be factored into the purchase price or rent.

    Regardless of any other factors, this means that the percentage of home owners in the population of these countries will diminish rapidly over this century, likely to levels now seen in Western Europe.
    Brutalist slurry does not have a solid market value, as these people will find out.

    Replies: @Beckow, @AP

    So, Eastern Europe has a lot of homeowners in seriously substandard properties like the above, which would have been demolished in the West decades ago. Later this century – sooner rather than later – these will have to be replaced. If they are replaced with more durable construction types – brick. steel framed buildings etc – this will be costly. Only the affluent will be able to purchase such properties. Many will be let to tenants, instead. If, however, they are replaced with more of the same, then the full cost of construction will be factored into the purchase price or rent.

    In Moscow what has happened is that the old ugly Soviet buildings were destroyed and replaced by modern ones. The inhabitants of the old buildings were typically given bottom floor flats (I think, of smaller than standard size) in the new buildings for free, while the people buying new flats on the higher floors had nicer ones. In this way, the original inhabitants continue to be homeowners.

    I have heard of other cases where the people living in the original apartments are given ones in other neighborhoods, or equal value, as compensation. This can be unpleasant, as they don’t have much choice regarding which neighborhood they may end up and it may be very far from where they had been living. Either way, they continue to be homeowners.

    I am not sure if the Visegrad countries do this also.

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
  615. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    He didn't make an anti-Jewish remark as noted.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/04052022-sergey-lavrovs-comments-about-jews-oped/

    Putin's reported apology was along the lines of what's noted in the above piece, having to do with a presentation being negatively taken in a way that wasn't intended by Lavrov.

    Replies: @A123

    Putin’s reported apology was along the lines of what’s noted in the above piece, having to do with a presentation being negatively taken in a way that wasn’t intended by Lavrov.

    I believe that we are recycling a discussion point that the Ukie Maximalists *lost* a number of Open Threads ago.

    Lavrov made a point that would have been innocuous a genealogy conference. However, that is not where it was made. The timing and context was clearly a mistake by Lavrov. Putin intervened almost immediately to defuse the threat to Israeli-Russia relations.

    Zelensky was much, much, much, more offensive to indigenous Palestinian Jews back in March. (1)

    Zelensky’s Address to Israel Didn’t Go Over Very Well

    Ukraine leader insists Israel can’t mediate between good and evil; Knesset Members rip speech riddled with Holocaust references

    The Ukrainian leader also earned the ire of figures in the Likud-led opposition.

    Zelensky is trying “to rewrite history and erase the involvement of the Ukrainian people in the extermination of Jews,” charged far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich (Religious Zionism).

    Senior Likud MK Yuval Steinitz warned that the Ukrainian president’s words “bordered on Holocaust denial.”

    “War is always a terrible thing,” wrote Steinitz in his response to the speech, “but every comparison between a regular war, as difficult as it is, and the extermination of millions of Jews in gas chambers in the framework of the Final Solution is a complete distortion of history.”

    New elections are likely to replace Bennett’s far-left inclusive coalition with a more centrist Likud led government. And, they were particularly displeased by Zelensky’s historical revisionism.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/zelenskys-address-to-israel-didnt-go-over-very-well/

  616. A123 says: • Website
    @Verymuchalive
    @A123

    “Home Ownership” is a terrible statistic. GW Bush and his thousand points of light over emphasized the concept. A solid dwelling can leave one ahead.

    Giving mortgates to groups ( eg low income blacks ) who cannot pay back is a recipe for disaster. It creates debt that can never be repayed and bankrupts the lender. Bush and sub-prime lending certainly spring to mind.
    See my reply #590 as to why high home ownership in Eastern Europe is a temporary phenomenon and will fall rapidly later this century to Western European levels or below. The main reason being that very many Eastern Europeans do not live in a solid dwelling !

    The problem is both obvious & non-racial. The survival of Christian Europe requires de-Islamification .

    Exactemente.
    Too many of the idiots on this website don't get it, unfortunately.

    Replies: @A123

    Giving mortgages to ( eg low income blacks ) who cannot pay back is a recipe for disaster. It creates debt that can never be repaid and bankrupts the lender. Bush and sub-prime lending certainly spring to mind.

    AFFH and its associated race based lending is clearly a problem. However, the most egregious examples were actually loans primarily made to whites in places where housing prices appeared to be ever increasing.

    Liar Loans were low-documentation or no-documentation mortgages that both sides knew could only be made good by appreciation of the underlying house value.

    Then, Golden West made things even worse with Pick-A-Pay™ loans: (1)

    [From 2008 ] Wachovia Corp.’s second-quarter earnings report today details the risks the struggling bank faces with its now-notorious Pick-A-Pay mortgages in California.

    The home loans, the legacy of the Golden West Financial Corp. acquisition that Wachovia made in 2006, allowed borrowers to name their payment — including paying so little that their loan balances actually rose.

    In the Central Valley, for example, Wachovia has $10.2 billion in Pick-A-Pay loans outstanding. The average LTV ratio now is 109%, the bank said, using estimated valuations from May. In the cities of Stockton and Modesto the average LTV is 116%.

    While the current down turn is likely to reduce house prices, there should be fewer truly toxic financial products around.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/money-company/story/2008-07-22/loan-to-value-ratios-soar-on-wachovias-pick-a-pay-home-loans-in-california-average-ltv-is-109-in-the-central-valley

    • Thanks: Verymuchalive
  617. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...The only way out is back.
     
    They think the only way is forward.

    - It is not Russia that has to recognize Donbas separation, it is Kiev. They may never do it, so you have a territorial dispute that blocks Ukraine from Nato.

    - I doubt very much Russia would need any occupation force in Donbas. You keep on forgetting that Donbas has 60-100k militia fighting Ukies - they will be sufficient to manage it.

    - Some areas would need permanent forces - and some of them would be recruited locally. There are a lot of Russians, or Russian-speakers, or halfies in the south-east. Your vision of a homogeneous Ukrainian nationalist population is a fantasy.

    - The weapons are useless without soldiers willing to die using them. Nato can send $40 billion or $100 billion each year, if Ukie army shrinks due to losses and population gets tired of dying, it will be over. I know it is a big "if", but seems as likely as a heroic resistance forever.

    - Russian economy is unlikely to collapse. To put it bluntly: they have stuff others always want to buy. How would that change short of returning to stone age?

    You are misunderstanding a lot of things.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    – Russian economy is unlikely to collapse. To put it bluntly: they have stuff others always want to buy. How would that change short of returning to stone age?

    Nigeria also has stuff that people want to buy. But Russia, even taking a tenth of a step towards where Nigeria is, would be considered a collapse. Primitive resource extraction economies, of which type Russia increasingly resembles, only sustain primitive livelihoods, except for the super rich and connected. Enjoy.

    – The weapons are useless without soldiers willing to die using them. Nato can send $40 billion or $100 billion each year, if Ukie army shrinks due to losses and population gets tired of dying, it will be over. I know it is a big “if”, but seems as likely as a heroic resistance forever.

    You don’t understand how an occupation turns a population against an occupier. Nor how little effort it is to kill occupying troops, and how low risk.

    And the Ukrainian population already hates Russia. We can see that in their incredibly brave conventional resistance.

    This means that near every Ukrainian man, when under Russian domination, will wake up, near every single day and, at least, consider, walking around the corner and shooting Russian troops in the back, and what can Russia do to stop this? Build Ukraine up? Russia can’t even build Russia up.

    Let’s hope Russia decides to duck this challenge.

    – Some areas would need permanent forces – and some of them would be recruited locally. There are a lot of Russians, or Russian-speakers, or halfies in the south-east. Your vision of a homogeneous Ukrainian nationalist population is a fantasy.

    Zelenskyy is a Russian speaker and he won the first round of the Ukrainian election on the backs of the Russian speakers. He represents them very well. They are is core constituency.

    Furthermore, a homogenous Ukrainian nationalism is forming in this invasion, so bow almost all Ukrainians oppose Russia, and it is actually Eastern Ukrainian Russian speakers who have thwarted Russian advances. I wonder who thought Russia could invade and somehow maintain substantial popularity?

    – It is not Russia that has to recognize Donbas separation, it is Kiev. They may never do it, so you have a territorial dispute that blocks Ukraine from Nato.

    Yes, so Russia either gets endless conventional war, or Ukraine joins NATO.

    Which means, as obviously Russia cannot sustain endless conventional war, that Ukraine will join NATO. Perhaps Russia withdrawing from the Donbas might be enough to convince the Ukrainians to not join, but I think that’s unlikely to be even close to enough.

    – I doubt very much Russia would need any occupation force in Donbas. You keep on forgetting that Donbas has 60-100k militia fighting Ukies – they will be sufficient to manage it

    Their numbers are probably about a third of that. It’ll be a fifth rate Afghan National Army.

    Realistically, Russia will need about 150,00 of its own troops for at least a few years before they can think of giving some real responsibility to their criminal puppet militias. And they’ll need to pay them well, on time, ensure they aren’t corrupt, equip them and somehow keep them loyal.

    All the while Russia will continue to run the Donbas into the ground, just like they have since 2014, but at an accelerating pace, given Russian economic disaster.

    Look into the history of Northern Ireland. It has a tiny population, mostly loyal to Britain and yet was much worse than Afghanistan for the UK. This is but a tiny taste of what Russia can expect, if they can even succeed in defeating Ukrainian conventional forces, for which there is no evidence anyway.

    I know you think war is about “scoring points” or attacking the enemy army, but that just shows how ignorant you are. War is about enforcing political goals. Anything else is childish fantasising. For Russia to succeed, they should have already been handing over sovreignity of the whole of Ukraine to a Ukrainian puppet and have a Russian-funded Ukrainian military doing most of their counter-insurgency patrols. They would also need a budget of about a $1 trillion set aside, at least, to essentially bribe the Ukrainians into consent with infrastructure and just plain bribes. Furthermore, they would have needed to seal Ukraine’s borders from movements by both Ukrainian personnel and arms.

    But instead, they have driven 33km from where they started. United Ukraine against them. Guaranteed Ukrainian funding against them for years. And only seen Ukrainian forces increase in size, equipment and sophistication, again, against them. If Zelenskyy ever ends up going, he will be replaced by someone much harsher on Russia than him. There’s no hope for Russia to achieve its political goals and a war of attrition against a nation is possibly the most idiotic endeavour I can imagine.

    I don’t know what Russia can do to save its retarded pride, but I do know what is far beyond it to achieve, and that is anything that looks like a victory to anyone sane. The most they can hope for is the poisoned chalice of a hostile occupation over a small part of Ukraine that they have turned to ashes. Get used to that fact. You will have it banged against your head, relentlessly, by reality, in the future.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well, you have your scenario, I think it is wrong, way too optimistic for the current Kiev rulers. You try breathlessly to overstate your case and that suggests you are not so sure of it.


    War is about enforcing political goals.
     
    Yes, eventually. But first you have to win the war and the best way is by destroying the enemy's army. That's what Russians are doing, it will take a while, but Ukies can't sustain these losses in men and material.

    United Ukraine against them.
     
    This summarizes a lot of your argument, so I will focus on it. How is Ukraine united if they are fighting a civil war in the east? You keep on downplaying or dismissing the Donbas Russians: but they exist, they are willing to fight, and they have a lot of similarly predisposed other Russian Ukrainians potentially on their side. How is that unity? It is actually a definition of disunity.

    You focus only on the West-Galicia and the fact that Zelko switched from the electorate who voted for him to be a pro-Western-only president. Some in the east and south fight for Kiev, but relatively few in a population of 20 million. Many are conscripted, I have seen dozens of POW interviews (I know unreliable, but still) who say that they were taken from the streets, they don't want to fight, and don't support Kiev. Maybe they are lying - but if Russians wins and they will continue "lying", this will be the reality.

    Out of potentially at least 5-7 million Ukrainians, only around 600k, or 10% are actually fighting against Russia. Why is that? Many run away, many are in hiding. They are the ones who will survive the war and thus set the tome for its aftermath. The idea that a guy who avoided a draft will then risk his life to pop off a Russian soldier on a street is a bit far-fetched.

    Russia is not Nigeria. Russia has around 1/4 of the world's material resources (official WTO estimate). They have a small population and lots of resources. They are good at technology, they will do fine. You will be waiting for a collapse that may never come.

    Two other data points:
    Crimea and Chechnia: some of the same stuff was said by some of the same people about endless resistance a bloodbath for Russia, etc... Well? Where is it? Crimea seems quite happy and Checjens are even fighting in Ukraine (on Russia side).

    I am skeptical of these "we will get you after we lose the war" threats in E Europe: people are way too normal there, families are small, people are not risk-takers. Most of the potential guerilla fighters are perishing in Donbas in an uneven fight.

    Your earnest optimism intentionally mischaracterizes reality, your overstate Kiev side. And you exaggerate the perceived losses by Russia. Give it 6 months, we will know more. I think Kiev has a very small chance, and getting an early settlement with a compromise is the best they can hope for. Longer this goes on, more Russia-friendly will the outcome be. But I am willing to wait and see how the war and the post-war go.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  618. @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western.
     
    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.

    Not to mention that Western MSM now demonstrate the “unanimousness” that was previously achieved only twice in history, In Hitler’s Nazi Germany in late 1930-s and in Stalin’s USSR in the same period. This “unanimousness” of Western MSM that agrees 100% with the shit spewed by the officials of Western governments tells me all I need to know.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikhail, @Ron Unz

    Recall the advice you gave me about interacting with such an individual.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikhail


    Recall the advice you gave me about interacting with such an individual.
     
    You are right. Talking to a troll as if it’s a human makes as much sense as heart-to-heart conversation with a lamppost.
  619. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory
     
    I do not think to end this Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019), and I think Putin understood it was going to be costly even if it went exactly as planned. All indications are that Putin decided on war only because Ukraine was not taking Russia's threat to wreck Ukraine seriously, not because there was anything to win materially. The kind of 'a victory is not attainable for Russia' thinking you are espousing is exactly what led Ukraine to conclude Russia was bluffing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    The Ukrainians knew that the Russians had little support in Ukraine. What they didn’t know is that the Russians believed their own retarded propaganda and thought they actually had a lot of support.

    Basically, the Ukrainians didn’t realise how inept the Russian government is.

    Had they realised, or had liberal Zelenskyy not won, and more right wing Poroshenko remained in charge, they would have armed every civillian as soon as Russia started their military build up. Therefore quite possibly ending the war before it began.

    What to do? Modern Europeans like to think the best of people. We like to dream of peace and freedom. We do not easily understand how completely incompetent tinpot governments like Russia’s are. Nor do we quickly believe that they will follow through on their pointless murderousness.

    But, at least, we eventually learn. And then, we win. Ukrainians will secure their freedom. Russia will be defeated. As I said, the only question is when. I have given the reasons in a sober and measured manner elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa


    The Ukrainians knew that the Russians had little support in Ukraine
     
    You don't need ANY support in a country to invade it, and no mobilisation of Ukraine would deter Russiams from invading, Russia is too big and strong for Ukraine to frustrate by zig zagging between agreements and military bravado as Poroshenko did. That is why Zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the low level conflict in Donbass, but for domestic political reasons (Poroshenko and Azov) he didn't.

    Basically, the Ukrainians didn’t realise how inept the Russian government is
     
    Russia is not the one who has been invaded, it never was going to be the one. The Ukrainian government of Zelensky were convinced Putin was bluffing right up until a week before the invasion, despite the US telling them the invasion orders had already been issued.

    The ordinary electorate of Ukraine understood all these things, but Zelensky and his associates could not get out of a domestic politics mindset, at least to a sufficient extent. The war was due to his inexperience; he did not understand the primacy of foreign policy.
  620. AP says:
    @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But I do know that Russia has no route to victory
     
    I do not think to end this Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019), and I think Putin understood it was going to be costly even if it went exactly as planned. All indications are that Putin decided on war only because Ukraine was not taking Russia's threat to wreck Ukraine seriously, not because there was anything to win materially. The kind of 'a victory is not attainable for Russia' thinking you are espousing is exactly what led Ukraine to conclude Russia was bluffing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    I do not think Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019),

    Putin demanded full neutrality/no membership in any blocs (which would have meant no EU), demilitarization, regime change/deNazification (which would have included purging of nationalism from schools, some kind of monitoring regime to prevent “Nazism” reappearance, etc.) , recognition of loss of Crimea and all Donbas territories. In other words, Belarussianization with (at first) the Eurasian Customs Union.

    To get all of that, Putin will have to conquer all or most of Ukraine and to either occupy it or to successfully destroy it so thoroughly that 30 million people or so will be driven from those lands. How realistic do you think that is?

    Otherwise, any peace deal would include no interference with EU integration, no “deNazification”, no demilitarization. NATO membership depends on NATO and it is unlikely that NATO will agree to it. Other details such as territorial ones would depend on how far Russia gets before the Russians or Ukrainians run out of men and equipment. We do not appear to be close to that point yet, and I have no idea when that will come. Probably not for several months at least. Until then, expect slow Russian gains of a few km per day in small parts of a thousand mile front, either in perpetuity until the Ukrainians collapse or until the Russians lose so much men and equipment that Ukraine claws back some land until they run out of gas.

    A very sad, bloody, stupid situation entirely of Russia’s choosing.

    I disagree with Aether that there would be significant partisan fighting on Russian-controlled territory. Russia seems to be slowly destroying and killing everything in its path, the pro-Ukrainians all flee, leaving behind perhaps 5% to 10% of the original population, most of whom didn’t flee because they are the small pro-Russian minority in those lands (or are too old to flee). Those guys won’t be resisting. So Severodonetsk once had 100,000 people, now it is down to 7,000-10,000. Russians can make movies of some of the welcoming Russian forces and lie to themselves that this small number who self-selected to wait until the Russians come, represents the wishes of the people of Donbas to be liberated.

    I doubt there would be much colonization from Russia, Russia itself is losing population and who would want to move to a bombed out territory full of mines and unexploded munitions, perhaps Russia could get Tajiks to settle there. This strategy of mass destruction can work in limited areas such as Donbas but in a country the size of France? Russia does not have enough weapons and ammo to obliterate such a huge territory, the question is how much they can destroy and how far they can get, and if/how much Ukraine can recover.

    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

    • Agree: sudden death
    • Replies: @216
    @AP


    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

     

    That's a powerful incentive for Putin to go all the way to Lviv.

    Ukraine can only win the war with the supply of F-35s and NATO ground troops. The political will to supply either is lacking. And all it takes is the FN or AFD holding the balance of power in either country to scuttle the financial aid.
    , @A123
    @AP


    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.
     
    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism. Coming to terms with, as you put it "smaller territory" as an end state.

    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port. If it cannot keep one, Ukraine will be land locked, which creates huge economic penalties. It has been noted several times that the most favourable terrain for Russian forces is in the south near the coast. Sadly, Kiev has engaged in senseless aggression against Transnistria. Using the terrain advantage to clear Odessa & connect to Transnistria has to be near the top of Moscow's objective list.

    The smart move for Ukraine would be negotiating an armistice NOW!

    Alas, Zelensky is taking bribes from European WEF Elites to act against the interests of the Ukrainian people. When history looks back on these events, George IslamoSoros & his SJW Globalists in Brussels and Davos will bear the blame for this fiasco. However, that is little comfort to both Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox Christians dying today.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    , @Sean
    @AP

    We know the deal that Putin offered in 2019 (and Azov aided by Poroshenko forced Zelensky to back out of). What deal Putin eventually agrees to in order to end this war remains to be seen. I maintain it will not be better in any way than what Germany, France and Zelensky thought reasonably acceptable in 2019. And had the 2019 deal been kept to then none of this would have happened.

    Long-term prospects in a post settlement Ukraine will be worse for the average Ukrainian than they would have been if the 2019 deal had been accepted by Zelensky. The country will be no bigger. Some already wealthy people will be better off with all the money coming in for reconstruction, and Kiev will boom, but the ordinary people will wonder what it was all for. As well they might.

  621. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Given the fact that we have established that it took you a couple posts to conclude that my estimate of PISA-derived Russian IQ was correct, one would think that Sharikov would be more humble. But Sharikov is as he must be.


    that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn’t be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.
     
    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Scoring a 100 in a smart country might be like scoring a 110 in a less smart country.

    Only an idiot would assume otherwise.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. The norms may differ by country, but for purposes of comparison one can simply use, say, the British norms to establish a “British IQ.” So Russians would take the identical nonverbal test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated. In the case of ethnic Russians in Yakutia this was 97.9.

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree
     
    Lol, people can “buy” diplomas by paying for schools but they still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that. I would have doubts about you Sharikov. A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.

    Sovok education was “free” which meant favours between parents and teachers, personal bribes, etc. The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you. You think the 90s wasn’t a direct product of Soviet morality, values and corruption which further highlights your stupidity.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity
     
    They do, but each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test. This doesn’t mean that each country has an equal average intelligence.

    “ the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.”

    Really, now it’s the same in each country? You have said it’s supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn’t be normed
     
    The Wechsler has different items depending on country; the Ravens uses the same items in all the countries. Each country might have its own set of norms on the Ravens, but since the items are identical one can easily calculate a British IQ in a non-British country by simply using British norms.

    But one can’t simply calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts which are a major component of the Wechsler.

    This is why what you stupidly dismiss as a childrens test is commonly used and accepted in cross-national intelligence research by people who are much smarter than you are.

    I wonder Sharikov, if you are so dense that this will have to be explained to you a third time.

    You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn’t deserve it.
     
    No Sharikov, my relative position in life is similar to that which had fallen upon my ancestors for hundreds of years (at least), surviving even the disruption of war and emigration which left my grandparents temporarily penniless in a foreign land. It is thus natural and good.

    You on the other hand are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied. You profane anything good by mentioning it or trying to “think” about it.


    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

     

    Just to be clear, I did not and will not specify my particular degree.

    It’s funny that in Bulgakov’s book, if memory serves correctly (I haven’t read it in 20 years or so) Sharikov was eventually trying to take the doctor’s Moscow (IIRC) apartment. And here our own Sharikov continues to obsess about my old Tverskaya apartment where I had lived.

    “I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.”

    Family members or ancestors doesn’t make any difference.
     
    Ah yes, when the liar is caught in his lies his excuse is that it doesn’t make any difference. The reasoning of moral corruption.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur
     
    Sharikov has learned some big words. You have already admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been (Israel, Poland, etc). It is natural for me and other normal people you encounter that view you with contempt and disgust. This is not a reflection on us but of you, Sharikov. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.

    Misanthrope? I help others. And you? Arrogant narcissist (are there ones who are not arrogant?)? Realistic. I acknowledge that several people here are smarter than I am, and some are probs my more virtuous than I am. Not you though, as we have seen. Don’t be myopic.

    You are calling me a liar when it’s you who is lying.

     

    You have been caught in your lies here and elsewhere. I have only told the truth.

    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.
     
    The entire Soviet society was founded on theft and murder. And corruption was widespread from top to bottom. Bribery, favouritism, help me and I’ll help you, theft of all kinds (from the state or from each other). Yes, people in hell suffer and in the case of the “post” Soviet hell it was a suffering of their own collective making. Very sad.

    Corruption of a few at the top characterizes places like the USA with its lobbyists and so on. Corruption of daily life by regular people was a Sovok thing. Creatures like you were built for it and were a product of it, Sharikov.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Barbarossa

    Changing the song sweetheart, like none of that ever happened – it ain’t gonna work, sweetheart. You will be exposed.

    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Only an idiot would assume otherwise.

    Correct, sweetheart. You are an idiot. You said that, in the previous post.

    I’ll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand. The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100.

    You are an idiot.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. So Russians would take the identical test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated.

    That’s right, idiot.

    For this reason a test, no matter which, is calibrated with a reference to either the British mean score, or the US mean score, or the OECD countries mean score, like the PISA test.

    And serious researchers, idiot, value the PISA test, because it’s the most comprehensive one, and has the best correlation with the gold standard, i.e. the Wechsler test.

    People still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that.

    For that – in the US, where the universities are commercial enterprises, depending on the tuition fees – perhaps so, the pool of people capable of financing such an education is small. Even idiots can do that as a result.

    You are the evidence of that.

    A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.

    You are not in a position to estimate someone else’s intelligence, idiot.

    A lot of Russian immigrant professionals couldn’t pass the exams because of the language. The Russian school of medicine is good, but it isn’t similar to how it’s taught the West. An immigrant has no time to learn it from the ground up in a foreign language.

    You think you would pass an exam in Russian, idiot?

    The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you.

    Rotten brain, haven’t you said that you never lived in the Soviet Union, so what do you know about that, idiot?

    Your stories are distorted images that you created yourself, it has nothing to do with the reality of how that was, and if it was how you think it was, then there would never have been so many accomplishments, that the Soviet system had produced, idiot.

    Each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test.

    Here we go again.

    You are an idiot. A real, a real idiot. You can’t even understand that it would be impossible to create a different version of the test, re-calibrated like that.

    The Wechsler has different items depending on country. One can’t calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts.

    A translation is used, idiot, a translation. An accurate translation.

    The score is set to be as 100 at the mean Greenwich IQ and then it’s measured against that reference point, no matter where the test is taken, otherwise it wouldn’t make sense to do it whatsoever, idiot, and it wouldn’t be possible to compare the results of different countries, idiot. How can a man be so dumb.

    Here is an example, idiot.

    Die deutsche Fassung, der Hamburg-Wechsler-Intelligenztest für Erwachsene (HAWIE), wurde von Hardesty und Lauber (1956) unmittelbar nach dem Erscheinen der WAIS veröffentlicht. Die jetzt vorgelegte Revision des WAIS-IV ist eine direkte Übertragung aus dem englischen und entspricht im Aufgabenmaterial und Aufbau der Originalfassung.

    The translation.

    The German version, the Hamburg Wechsler Intelligence Test for Adults (HAWIE), was published by Hardesty and Lauber (1956) immediately after the publication of the WAIS. The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.

    Understand it, stupid. Now let’s go on.

    You are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied.

    You are trying to insult people who were probably a lot more noble than your ancestors. My grandfathers were colonels, and my grandmother’s family were medical doctors, going back for a few generations.

    You have no reason, nor do you have the right to insult these people. My grandmother was a nurse during the war, my grandfathers were fighting it. Yours were probably licking a boot, trying to make these pennies, in which the entire meaning of life for a dumbass like you is found.

    You have admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.

    You began insulting me as soon as you heard that my sympathies were with the USSR, that triggered a reaction you are incapable to control. You started this argument then, and you will be now punished, every time you try to continue to do that, because you see, idiot, you are indeed an idiot, and it’s easy for me to do.

    With pleasure, idiot.

    Here.

    Found your ancestors.

    That must have been at that Habsburg wedding, where they were pretending to be people, of good social position, to entertain the guests.

    Have a good night.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Dumb Sharikov is forced to agree with me but copes by using the word "idiot" that he has learned. Very cute.


    "Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Only an idiot would assume otherwise."

    Correct, sweetheart. You are an idiot
     
    Nice cope.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. So Russians would take the identical test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated.

    That’s right, idiot.

    For this reason a test, no matter which, is calibrated with a reference to either the British mean score, or the US mean score, or the OECD countries mean score, like the PISA test.

    And serious researchers, idiot, value the PISA test, because it’s the most comprehensive one
     
    No less than the Raven's. The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    As a reminder, Russians do worse on the PISA than do white Americans. You stopped talking about that.

    For that – in the US, where the universities are commercial enterprises, depending on the tuition fees – perhaps so, the pool of people capable of financing such an education is small.
     
    On the contrary, due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in if they were not weeded out by the examinations. And furthermore there are examination necessary to be allowed to practice.

    You are not in a position to estimate someone else’s intelligence
     
    Sharikov has an opinion. Very cute.

    The Wechsler has different items depending on country. One can’t calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts.

    A translation is used
     
    Nonsense. The verbal parts of the Wechsler test are not directly translated. The trivia parts that ask about historical events are different because each country has different historical events.

    The score is set to be as 100 at the mean Greenwich IQ and then it’s measured against that reference point, no matter where the test is taken
     
    Also nonsense. Each country has its own 100, they are not all calibrated to the British 100.

    Sharikov fails to think, again.

    The American version was normed on a sample in the United States:

    https://www.mentalhelp.net/psychological-testing/wechsler-adult-intelligence-scale/

    The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90.

    UK edition, Canadian edition, etc. underwent their own standardizations in those countries, so that the average IQ in the UK on the UK version is 100, it is 100 in the USA on the American version, and so on.

    Canada sample for Canada's norms:

    https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ782127

    "This study evaluated the concurrent validity of estimated Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scales-Third Edition (WAIS-III) index scores using various one- and two-subtest combinations. Participants were the Canadian WAIS-III standardization sample"

    Even the Canadian and Americans norms are rather different:

    https://academic.oup.com/acn/article/29/8/737/2726816

    "Employing the Canadian normative system yielded IQ, Index, and subtest scores that were systematically lower than those obtained using the American norms. Furthermore, the percentage agreement in normative classifications, defined as American and Canadian index scores within five points or within the same classification range, was between 49% and 76%. Substantial differences are present between the American and Canadian WAIS-IV norms."

    Canadians on average are smarter than Americans (because American norms are based on a sample that includes African Americans) so the norms are different: the same number of correct answers produces a lower IQ score on the Canadian version. But within both Canada and the USA, the averages are both 100.

    Do you understand now, Sharikov? Or must I repeat it again for you?

    The German version, the Hamburg Wechsler Intelligence Test for Adults (HAWIE), was published by Hardesty and Lauber (1956) immediately after the publication of the WAIS. The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.

    Understand it, stupid
     
    Sharikov can post but Sharikov can't understand.

    The task material and structure are the same, but actual items are not. Germans are not being asked questions about American historical figures on their version of the Wechsler test, like Americans are. Moreover the norms are different. The German WAIS is based on a German standardization sample.

    As I wrote before, the Ravens' unlike the Wechsler actually has completely identical items wherever it is administered, so one can make direct comparisons across countries. That's why serious researchers use it while Sharikov dismisses it.

    Understand it now? Or still too dumb?


    You are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied.

    You are trying to insult people who were probably a lot more noble than your ancestors. My grandfathers were colonels,
     
    You are not ashamed to admit to be descended from Sovok colonels. LOL.

    Was that the excrement that ended up in Ukraine?

    No wonder healthy Ukrainian peasants looked upon you with aversion, as one looks upon a drunk's vomit.

    and my grandmother’s family were medical doctors, going back for a few generations.
     
    And who were they before the Revolution? Your one grandmother isn't enough to redeem you.

    "You have admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people."

    You began insulting me as soon as you heard that my sympathies were with the USSR
     
    I saw you for the grotesque mockery of a human that you are. Right away. Love of the putrid USSR was a good sign. Like all those other people you encountered and who you admitted disliked you. It's not us, it's you.

    It's natural for a Sharikov such as you to have sympathy for the USSR, just as it is natural for you to support the murder of children in Ukraine now. It's the same corrupt morality.

    And your stupidity is also quite natural.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  622. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...very few of the best ones came
     
    That is true about all of provincial Europe, we are not Berlin-London-Paris. But you are right, even fewer than should had come, probably because they didn't want to and because of because 'commie government'. Most likely both. My parents have a ticket they saved from a Beach Boys 1969 concert in Bratislava (they didn't think much of the music).

    The idiotic Western meme 'but you banned Beatles!!!!' is so stupid that one almost doesn't want to respond. Old geezers raised on propaganda and not even realizing it. I almost welcome more AP's industrious digging through the weeds for that one more percent to definitely prove to himself that in 1985 N Jersey was better than Prague. Sure it was, if he stayed indoors (big house!) and ate manufactured garbage for food. See what it did to him. Again, any society can only be judged on results, the people it produces.

    The housing actually works differently: it is the availability and cost that matters. The American way has been to move to the outburbs with an oversized mortgage, tell people to drive until they are blue in the face (and correspondingly more stupid), and a big freezer to store food for 6 months. Great life and AP will count the square meters and gallons of milk and declare: "we live better!" Do they really? Some do, others don't. That was also the case 35 years ago.

    Socialist Eastern Europe was a successful, if a bit dull society - it had safety, basics provided for, families prospered, easy life, work wasn't onerous, and it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about. AP doesn't get it - he is a natural obedient conformist, as are most Western people.

    AP probably thinks that 'freedom' is staging an absurdist sketch on a street corner. It isn't, the real freedom is how we live our lives - freedom at work, ease of housing, what we do with our time. He will never get it. But I thought you may.

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    even fewer than should had come, probably because they didn’t want to and because of because ‘commie government’. Most likely both.

    Well, if you’re a Western artist, you’re kind of a symbol of a free society, so it might be an issue for you to perform in a communist country. The communist government would send spies on them, invade their privacy, that’s demeaning. You guys probably had it easier, they were lighter on you, but within the real USSR things were very strict. Even the local bands were heavily watched. There were also strict behavioral norms and dress codes (whether it’s good or bad, I don’t know, lol). Of course, many people managed to circumvent them and formed little subcultures. They’re now publishing fancy photo albums about these hippy and other subcultures from way back the 70s or so.

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    There were even lists of specific bands with specific descriptions of them, those came from Moscow mostly, in Russian. It’s funny, they would label bands as “obscurantist”, “satanic”, “nationalistic”.

    Btw, those speakers that my dad had and helped make, are still considered good by audio fanatics. That company had roots from 1920s (Radiotehnika from Riga) and was started during the independent republic (it was built based on private enterprise). It’s not an authentic commie creation. And even with that, many guys in those days really dreamed about Western electronics. The first thing my dad did, as soon as he could, was buy a really fancy Canon camera. I don’t know what the guys in the early and mid 80s would’ve given to go to one of those Western concerts.

    The idiotic Western meme ‘but you banned Beatles!!!!‘ is so stupid that one almost doesn’t want to respond.

    No, they didn’t ban the Beatles, because the Beatles were already old school. But they did view with great suspicion the likes of Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, the Doors. Long hair on a man, of course. Jeans and bubble gum. I think if some of them had seen punk, they would’ve thought those musicians are crazy.

    All kinds of what they thought was questionable theater or movies (a lot of which was totally vanilla, maybe with just a few avant garde themes that might distract the youth). Even locally made. Again, not saying this is good or bad (some sh*t is so bad and useless it needs to be banned just so it doesn’t ruin the ether).

    Forget anything published in the 1930s, no. Nationalism – a big no no (very painful). That was hidden away more than Black Sabbath. lol. Of course, people got away with enjoying all that but it’s demeaning to be micromanaged to that extent.

    Old geezers raised on propaganda and not even realizing it

    No, I understand what you mean, it feels condescending. I don’t care as much about that period, so I won’t argue about it, it was over 30 years ago which is a long time, long enough to maybe view it somewhat indifferently. I’m more interested in the earlier stages of communism and the 1940s (granted, that’s even more decades past). I believe that the West is objectively more developed, but it carries some negatives, so you rightfully point out certain things. I do, however, believe that one can gain freedom and ownership from efficiency vs dilly dallying.

    Again, any society can only be judged on results, the people it produces.

    Well, you have to take into the account the outside pressures, too. There were outside pressures on the people during the collapse of the USSR (as well as during those times), and there are outside pressures now from globalization on the lower classes in the Western societies. It doesn’t mean it’s those people’s fault.

    The housing actually works differently: it is the availability and cost that matters. The American way has been to move to the outburbs with an oversized mortgage, tell people to drive until they are blue in the face (and correspondingly more stupid), and a big freezer to store food for 6 months.

    For housing, availability, cost and quality matter.

    Well, I like walkable spaces, so I could somewhat agree, although there are spaces like that in the US (in DC, for instance), but it’s more expensive if you want to make sure you’re isolated from the negatives. As to driving, Americans are very used to it and don’t mind. They also need it to maintain the commerce the levels of which are much more saturated and intense than in Europe.

    Socialist Eastern Europe was a successful, if a bit dull society – it had safety, basics provided for, families prospered, easy life, work wasn’t onerous

    Maybe in your neck of woods, but in the real USSR it could be onerous sometimes. They worked more than we do now. I do respect that, hard work is honorable, but, unfortunately, the general productivity and efficiency was too low to provide everything that was needed to the desired standards.

    Even with good management nothing can replace private ownership — a caring and diligent hand of an owner is the real guarantee that work will be completed well. That’s the basics from my ideological background which is different than yours.

    Another thing, militarization and domination from the Kremlin. Effin’ no, dude. No, thanks. There was no escaping draft (except for a few cases), and one can argue that draft is good because a man would come home at age 21 and he’d already be a real man, not someone who’s stuck in adolescence forever like some men are these days (well, that’s a timeless phenomenon, lol). But the truth is you’re giving your time and youth to some Soviet army and in general it’s pretty oppressive and not too motivating (except for certain types). Etc etc. But yea, I do agree that it was more “stable”.

    The population grew partly because after the war there was a renewed sense of optimism and a lot of the old mores were still in place, people were not yet as urbanized, as selfish, in the Baltic States some families retained the old customs. Even if they didn’t go to church, the norms that were transmitted through the family from older relatives, were still felt. Yes, the daycares helped but I doubt they were the reason. Remember also that during those periods, until the 1970s, there was a population boom across the whole white world.

    AP probably thinks that ‘freedom’ is staging an absurdist sketch on a street corner.

    Knowing him, he probably views freedom in metaphysical terms or as the Christian idea of “free will”. Or something more absolutist. Definitely not through modern art, lol. That would be Dmitry, lol.

    It isn’t, the real freedom is how we live our lives – freedom at work, ease of housing, what we do with our time. He will never get it. But I thought you may.

    I do get it, very well. I’ve been thinking a lot recently about freedom (and about time). Are we really going to give it up? In some ways, in both of those societies, Western and communist, on the individual level, if one wanted, they could craft their own life in freedom, but they would have to give up some of the social restraints. The best way is to create your own path to freedom, set priorities when it comes to those things where duty is paramount and that one cannot compromise on, but the rest is the space where one can practice more freedom. In the West, you can gain a lot of freedom with money.

    Btw, the Soviet period was not as free as you say, although in some ways it was more free than now (family wasn’t as regulated as now). That period was quite structured. As I mentioned, the military, all these other structures that people were pushed through, even those ridiculous May 1st parades.

    Btw, freedom is also one of the most important factors why we don’t want Russia in. Russia tends to be either anarchic and crazy, or unduly strict and oppressive. That doesn’t work for us. You may not see it because you wouldn’t be affected by it.

    Sorry for the long text, I’m not good at gisting.

  623. A potential setup for some other action?

    https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/kosovo-indictment-proves-bill-clintons-serbian-war-atrocities/

    Article doesn’t mention that Americans aren’t indicted unlike others.

    Good insight –

    • Replies: @216
    @Mikhail

    RussiaChina state media is allowed on Twitter.

    Donald Trump is banned from Twitter.

    Redstan is the real threat, not these glorified dictatorships.

    , @A123
    @Mikhail


    Scores of civilians are feared killed or injured after a Russian rocket strike hit a crowded shopping mall in Ukraine's central city of Kremenchuk, Ukrainian officials said Monday.
     
    Did CBS really run that photo & story recently?

    I am quite sure I used that exact photo here some months ago. It dates back to Kiev in March: (1)

    Again, it must consistently be repeated – trust nothing from western or Russian state media about the issues in the Ukraine conflict. Everyone is shaping the war narrative to fit their agenda. Question everything you see and hear, wait to get the fulsome picture, and eventually the truth will surface.

    An example today follows a U.S. and Western media claim that Russia arbitrarily targeted a shopping center in the capital city of Kyiv (Kiev). According to the narrative, this is an example of Russian military brutality and arbitrary shelling of civilians
     
    Notice how full the car lot was when the mall had civilian business.
     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-shopping-center-2.jpg
     

    And, the empty parking after the Ukrainian forces converted it to military use.
     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-shopping-center-1.jpg
     

    Kremenchuk is 150-200 miles from Kiev so the misidentification is quite egregious.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/21/about-that-russia-attacking-a-shopping-center-story/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  624. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    According this link, just 6% of housing in the UK has more occupiers than bedrooms.

    Meanwhile, 70% of housing has at least one more bedroom than there are occupiers.

    Given that the ratio of bathrooms to bedrooms tends to be close to equal, and that it is rare not to have a kitchen and living room, it seems exceedingly likely that an average middle income couple will have 8+ rooms in their dwelling.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/censustransformationprogramme/questiondevelopment/housingcommunalestablishmentsandvisitors/estimatingthenumberofroomsandbedroomsinthe2021censusanalternativeapproachusingvaluationofficeagencydata#local-authority-level-comparisons-for-number-of-rooms-and-bedrooms

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Bathrooms and wardrobes are not counted as rooms, neither do kitchens.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    It was Coconuts who first used the word "rooms." You can decide that bathrooms, kitchens and anything else don't count as rooms for you, but your definition isn't relevant to him.

    As for what this says about living standard, just 6% of people in the whole of the UK have fewer bedrooms than people in their dwelling, while 70% have at least one surplus one. As per the source I provided.

    I suppose you might think that the 6% is a disgrace, but 6% is tiny and their situation is mostly likely very temporary. I've known people to have more people than bedrooms when they let a friend or family members stay for a month, while their new accomodation was sorted or there was some emergency.

    Or you might think that only 70% having a spare bedroom, or more, is bad, but it seems efficient and reasonable to me. Personally, I am part of a couple living in a three bedroom house. Were there not other factors, this would be much more pain than it is worth.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  625. @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    Where did you get this probably from, it’s nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?
     
    You sound like you do not know much about this subject with this comment in relation to the UK housing market, and the later one:

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average.
     
    If you were in the UK the issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester or even more say, Middlesborough wouldn't need explaining.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.
     
    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers? For information about historic terraced housing design in Britain there is a nice book by Stefan Muthesius called 'The English Terraced House' (Yale, 1982) which has plenty of detail on the different types of terraced houses.

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class...
     
    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn't write bedrooms.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry

    The issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester wouldn’t need explaining.

    And it doesn’t need it. You were supposed to understand that prices and salaries are connected.

    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers?

    Because my post is not a guess, there’s a reference and information, easy to verify.

    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.

    You confuse social and economic definitions of classes. The middle class are people with income of 75 to 200 percent of the median.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn’t write bedrooms.

    Well you should have, because in my post bathrooms weren’t counted.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    And it doesn’t need it. You were supposed to understand that prices and salaries are connected.
     
    The average price of a house in London is not 30% higher than the UK average. You appeared incredulous that dwelling size in London and the larger cities is shrinking and that at present people living outside of London (would also apply to some areas outside of the South East) can afford to buy a bigger house than people living in London doing the same job. But you haven't explained why.

    Because my post is not a guess, there’s a reference and information, easy to verify.
     
    There is nothing in your posts to substantiate or back up any of those claims you made:

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    This is what it looks like. There’s nothing good about it.

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.
     

    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.
     
    No link to where the plan came from or what it relates to.

    Remember:


    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.
     


    You confuse social and economic definitions of classes. The middle class are people with income of 75 to 200 percent of the median.

     

    Was your reply relevant to what I wrote? You did nothing to show that two teachers are unlikely to live in an 8 or 9 room house, nor have you yet posted any linked data about the kinds of houses currently inhabited by all of the people in that income bracket in the UK.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  626. @Beckow
    @LatW

    We don't know anyone's motivation, we can only guess. Motives also change over time. I prefer to look at what happens: there is as much likelihood that Nato was planning to turn Ukraine into a large military base threatening Russia as there is that Russia wanted to re-absorb all of Ukraine. Maybe, but we really have no way of knowing.


    3M Hungarians moved to Slovakia and started bossing Slovaks
     
    But that is not what happened in eastern-southern Ukraine: Russians (and others) have lived there since late 18th century, it is their home with their own language, culture, preferences for allies (unsurprisingly Mother Russia). They also didn't boss anyone around, they won a few elections, lost some, they never demanded that the Ukrainian language be banned.

    You can't make a fake 'analogy' and proceed from it. This is a completely different situation and the Minsk compromise was the best available solution. But it would mean that Nato couldn't immediately expand so they vetoed it, and the hapless Ukies went along. Now it will be decided by a war and most likely the Russian side will get more. Was that worth it? The dream of Nato bases that you refuse to address?

    Any central gment can over time water down local autonomy. They have the financial, career, administrative means to do it. It takes time, but Kiev could have - and most likely would have - slowly scaled back Donbas autonomy. You can always buy the local politicians. You insistence that it was't possible is disingenuous - of course Kiev would be in a position to it.

    It would take time, maybe even a new generation growing up. And lots of money. The fact that they chose not to do it tells us that others made the decision for them: others who really wanted Nato in Ukraine and immediately, even if it meant triggering a war. The war started in 2014, it could have ended with a compromise. Instead we have this bloody sh..t going on...

    Replies: @LatW

    We don’t know anyone’s motivation, we can only guess.

    We can guess with some probability. Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it. You know they’ll do it, the question is just when. On the other hand, Russia also can be quiet about its goals and only uncover them vaguely. Just re-read the ultimatum. You know what that one Jewish lady used to say about Hitler – if somebody says they want to kill you, believe them, they probably mean it.

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    there is as much likelihood that Nato was planning to turn Ukraine into a large military base threatening Russia .

    This is, of course, within the realm of possibility, but in general NATO likes to be open where it can be. They simply like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible. The US government makes small, targeted political and financial investments, and prefers that the locals do the heavy lifting. This is a reasonable approach. They have so far tried to work that way and only in this coming summit will they make significant changes.

    As to a large military base, NATO didn’t create that even in the Baltic States or Romania, not even Poland. For 15 years. Much less in Ukraine. Ukraine was trying to build its own military industrial complex, and successfully enough that Russia thought it a risk. Rightfully so, if the reports about Neptune hitting targets in the Black Sea are correct.

    as there is that Russia wanted to re-absorb all of Ukraine. Maybe, but we really have no way of knowing

    Not necessarily absorb, but dominate, impose its will. Possibly carve up. All those things are scandalous and bad enough, especially given how it’s done (through mass murder of innocents).

    But that is not what happened in eastern-southern Ukraine: Russians (and others) have lived there since late 18th century, it is their home with their own language, culture, preferences for allies (unsurprisingly Mother Russia). They also didn’t boss anyone around, they won a few elections, lost some, they never demanded that the Ukrainian language be banned.

    There is an argument there to be made in their advantage (even though Ukrainians lived there too and Ukrainians were forcefully russified). Certainly, Westernization shouldn’t be forced on that population. They are very different, I know that culture, it was present until very recently in some Riga suburbs. They even dress differently. Ideally, they should be left alone.

    However, once there is an armed rebellion, especially one instigated from across the border, all those things go out of the window. When people are jumping from burning buildings, it is already way too late.

    Was that worth it? The dream of Nato bases that you refuse to address?

    Beckow, I honestly and wholeheartedly believe this was NOT primarily about NATO bases. First, they would not be NATO bases but Ukrainian ones (unless they were a member), even in the Baltic States all those bases are OUR OWN BASES that WE built. Yes, with help from the British & Americans, but they were there already before and they’re maintained by us. Some are from the 1930s (or before). Second, as I said before, NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it’s not just NATO per se, but Ukraine’s Western orientation that Russia objects to.

    And the definition of the Ukrainian culture as distinct from Russian (NOT “one people” as in the official Russian ideological documents) as well as Ukrainian freedom to govern themselves within their own unified state (Соборна Україна).

    This is the Ukrainian War of Independence.

    Let’s say there was no NATO, but some kind of a Central European Commonwealth that Ukraine wanted to join. Without America. This would not be ok for Russia. Especially, if it is followed by the erasure of “the Russian world” and an ideology that is not congruent with the Russian version of the Victory narrative. Some Russian politician compared this to a weapon of mass destruction – very accurate, it is truly just as devastating because all the Russian speaking children would be assimilated into the Ukrainian culture. This is why the Russians are so savage yet diligent now about planting Soviet flags in the occupied territories and about throwing out Ukrainian curricula. That’s how big this is. The erasure of the Russian speaking culture as laid out, formulated and dominated by Russia is not acceptable to Russia. This is the number one reason that trumps even NATO. It being combined with NATO just makes it worse in Russia’s eyes.

    It takes time, but Kiev could have – and most likely would have – slowly scaled back Donbas autonomy. You can always buy the local politicians. You insistence that it was’t possible is disingenuous – of course Kiev would be in a position to it.

    No, no, no, please, do not blank out on me again. I didn’t insist it was impossible. I specifically said it could have been done, just that Ukraine was not even given an honest chance. Ukraine would have to rule there, not the militias. The Russian public would not accept that and would put pressure on the Kremlin to not allow that.

    Hypothetically, with time integration could’ve been possible (even based on bilingualism, most of them are already bilingual anyway), of course, the question is, should it be done, why force it on those who don’t want it?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    Let's look at your selective a careful language:


    Nato like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible.

    Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it.
     

    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because "Nato likes to have access to real estate". But Russia threatens and worse.

    Your language betrays you. You are incapable of thinking about it in an objective and even-handed way. That's fine, you prefer your own, or maybe have a strong opinion about Russian perfidy. But then you need to accept that there are no rules and whomever is stronger in any region gets his way.

    It was Nato - with the people like you probably concurring - who destroyed the rules-based-world. They said 'we can, but you can't'. Well, Russia is attempting to prove them wrong. The root of the problem is that Nato (or the West) stopped behaving based on the rules they themselves created and preached.

    It is sad that Ukraine got caught in the middle. But they know where they live and should know that messing with a larger and powerful neighbor is risky. You cannot get over the fact that "Russia did it, they invaded" - but in retrospect it is not surprising.


    NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it’s not just NATO per se, but Ukraine’s Western orientation that Russia objects to.
     
    There is no way you can separate the two. Ideally, Ukraine after Maidan had gone out of its way to treat its Russian minority super-fairly, with no banning of the Russian language, offering a compromise and friendship. And never even mention Nato. Talk about Europe, friendship, being a "bridge", etc... They could had lied or pretended. It would almost certainly work better - Russia was not itching to get involved and in any case the 'reasons' wouldn't be there: no burnt Russians in Odessa, no shelling of Donbas, no banning of Russian language, no threats, no Nato exercises and plans for bases. Just Europe and "we are all friends".

    They could have done that, but they didn't. They went to the other extreme and it didn't work - now they are losing a war, lots of territory, have permanent hostilities, and almost certainly no EU or Nato. That's what happens when you are ruled by emotional poseurs and not by rational people. Or when you have no agency and others - like Nato - are telling you what to do.

    Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake - no way to avoid looking in the mirror. And the West is furious that Russia dared to act the way West has acted. Now, let's have a drink, relax and see who will be the winner.

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon

  627. What do all the people in EU Parliament with PhDs (1/4) have those degrees in? Is what I’d like to know. Probably education and gender studies.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Law, and after that political science would be my guess.

    Replies: @songbird

  628. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Bathrooms and wardrobes are not counted as rooms, neither do kitchens.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    It was Coconuts who first used the word “rooms.” You can decide that bathrooms, kitchens and anything else don’t count as rooms for you, but your definition isn’t relevant to him.

    As for what this says about living standard, just 6% of people in the whole of the UK have fewer bedrooms than people in their dwelling, while 70% have at least one surplus one. As per the source I provided.

    I suppose you might think that the 6% is a disgrace, but 6% is tiny and their situation is mostly likely very temporary. I’ve known people to have more people than bedrooms when they let a friend or family members stay for a month, while their new accomodation was sorted or there was some emergency.

    Or you might think that only 70% having a spare bedroom, or more, is bad, but it seems efficient and reasonable to me. Personally, I am part of a couple living in a three bedroom house. Were there not other factors, this would be much more pain than it is worth.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa


    You can decide that bathrooms, kitchens and anything else don’t count as rooms for you, but your definition isn’t relevant.
     
    It wouldn't be if it was mine, but it ain't mine, it's theirs – in the British Commonwealth countries they count bedrooms, and when they say a 3-bedroom flat, that means there are 3 bedrooms plus a living room.

    The European standard is to count rooms regardless of their names, so when we say a 3-room apartment, that means there are 2 bedrooms and a living room.

    As for what this says about living standard, 6% of people in the whole of the UK have fewer bedrooms than people in their dwelling, while 70% have at least one surplus one.
     
    So – what's the point, and what are you trying to disagree with?
  629. The proposal for BRICS expansion is proof that any “anti-imperalism” is naked hypocrisy. This from the same RussiaChina that screams bloody murder about the US building any alliances.

    You’re not “anti-imperialist”, you’re “Anti-White”.

  630. @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1541508456225595393

    A potential setup for some other action?

    https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/kosovo-indictment-proves-bill-clintons-serbian-war-atrocities/

    Article doesn't mention that Americans aren't indicted unlike others.

    Good insight -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QzNCk3MQ8Y&feature=emb_logo

    Replies: @216, @A123

    RussiaChina state media is allowed on Twitter.

    Donald Trump is banned from Twitter.

    Redstan is the real threat, not these glorified dictatorships.

  631. 216 says: • Website
    @AP
    @Sean


    I do not think Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019),
     
    Putin demanded full neutrality/no membership in any blocs (which would have meant no EU), demilitarization, regime change/deNazification (which would have included purging of nationalism from schools, some kind of monitoring regime to prevent "Nazism" reappearance, etc.) , recognition of loss of Crimea and all Donbas territories. In other words, Belarussianization with (at first) the Eurasian Customs Union.

    To get all of that, Putin will have to conquer all or most of Ukraine and to either occupy it or to successfully destroy it so thoroughly that 30 million people or so will be driven from those lands. How realistic do you think that is?

    Otherwise, any peace deal would include no interference with EU integration, no "deNazification", no demilitarization. NATO membership depends on NATO and it is unlikely that NATO will agree to it. Other details such as territorial ones would depend on how far Russia gets before the Russians or Ukrainians run out of men and equipment. We do not appear to be close to that point yet, and I have no idea when that will come. Probably not for several months at least. Until then, expect slow Russian gains of a few km per day in small parts of a thousand mile front, either in perpetuity until the Ukrainians collapse or until the Russians lose so much men and equipment that Ukraine claws back some land until they run out of gas.

    A very sad, bloody, stupid situation entirely of Russia's choosing.

    I disagree with Aether that there would be significant partisan fighting on Russian-controlled territory. Russia seems to be slowly destroying and killing everything in its path, the pro-Ukrainians all flee, leaving behind perhaps 5% to 10% of the original population, most of whom didn't flee because they are the small pro-Russian minority in those lands (or are too old to flee). Those guys won't be resisting. So Severodonetsk once had 100,000 people, now it is down to 7,000-10,000. Russians can make movies of some of the welcoming Russian forces and lie to themselves that this small number who self-selected to wait until the Russians come, represents the wishes of the people of Donbas to be liberated.

    I doubt there would be much colonization from Russia, Russia itself is losing population and who would want to move to a bombed out territory full of mines and unexploded munitions, perhaps Russia could get Tajiks to settle there. This strategy of mass destruction can work in limited areas such as Donbas but in a country the size of France? Russia does not have enough weapons and ammo to obliterate such a huge territory, the question is how much they can destroy and how far they can get, and if/how much Ukraine can recover.

    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

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    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

    That’s a powerful incentive for Putin to go all the way to Lviv.

    Ukraine can only win the war with the supply of F-35s and NATO ground troops. The political will to supply either is lacking. And all it takes is the FN or AFD holding the balance of power in either country to scuttle the financial aid.

  632. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Changing the song sweetheart, like none of that ever happened – it ain't gonna work, sweetheart. You will be exposed.


    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Only an idiot would assume otherwise.
     
    Correct, sweetheart. You are an idiot. You said that, in the previous post.

    I’ll try to explain in a way that even a dumb Sharikov like you can understand. The Wechsler is normed within each country – the items are chosen so that within each country the average score is 100.
     
    You are an idiot.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. So Russians would take the identical test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated.
     
    That's right, idiot.

    For this reason a test, no matter which, is calibrated with a reference to either the British mean score, or the US mean score, or the OECD countries mean score, like the PISA test.

    And serious researchers, idiot, value the PISA test, because it's the most comprehensive one, and has the best correlation with the gold standard, i.e. the Wechsler test.


    People still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that.
     
    For that – in the US, where the universities are commercial enterprises, depending on the tuition fees – perhaps so, the pool of people capable of financing such an education is small. Even idiots can do that as a result.

    You are the evidence of that.


    A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.
     
    You are not in a position to estimate someone else's intelligence, idiot.

    A lot of Russian immigrant professionals couldn’t pass the exams because of the language. The Russian school of medicine is good, but it isn't similar to how it's taught the West. An immigrant has no time to learn it from the ground up in a foreign language.

    You think you would pass an exam in Russian, idiot?


    The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you.
     
    Rotten brain, haven't you said that you never lived in the Soviet Union, so what do you know about that, idiot?

    Your stories are distorted images that you created yourself, it has nothing to do with the reality of how that was, and if it was how you think it was, then there would never have been so many accomplishments, that the Soviet system had produced, idiot.


    Each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test.
     
    Here we go again.

    You are an idiot. A real, a real idiot. You can't even understand that it would be impossible to create a different version of the test, re-calibrated like that.


    The Wechsler has different items depending on country. One can’t calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts.
     
    A translation is used, idiot, a translation. An accurate translation.

    The score is set to be as 100 at the mean Greenwich IQ and then it's measured against that reference point, no matter where the test is taken, otherwise it wouldn't make sense to do it whatsoever, idiot, and it wouldn't be possible to compare the results of different countries, idiot. How can a man be so dumb.

    Here is an example, idiot.


    Die deutsche Fassung, der Hamburg-Wechsler-Intelligenztest für Erwachsene (HAWIE), wurde von Hardesty und Lauber (1956) unmittelbar nach dem Erscheinen der WAIS veröffentlicht. Die jetzt vorgelegte Revision des WAIS-IV ist eine direkte Übertragung aus dem englischen und entspricht im Aufgabenmaterial und Aufbau der Originalfassung.
     
    The translation.

    The German version, the Hamburg Wechsler Intelligence Test for Adults (HAWIE), was published by Hardesty and Lauber (1956) immediately after the publication of the WAIS. The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.
     
    Understand it, stupid. Now let's go on.

    You are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied.
     
    You are trying to insult people who were probably a lot more noble than your ancestors. My grandfathers were colonels, and my grandmother's family were medical doctors, going back for a few generations.

    You have no reason, nor do you have the right to insult these people. My grandmother was a nurse during the war, my grandfathers were fighting it. Yours were probably licking a boot, trying to make these pennies, in which the entire meaning of life for a dumbass like you is found.


    You have admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.
     
    You began insulting me as soon as you heard that my sympathies were with the USSR, that triggered a reaction you are incapable to control. You started this argument then, and you will be now punished, every time you try to continue to do that, because you see, idiot, you are indeed an idiot, and it's easy for me to do.

    With pleasure, idiot.

    Here.

    Found your ancestors.


    https://i.postimg.cc/NfX7Rbcm/Chimpanzees-at-the-Habsburgs-wedding.jpg


    That must have been at that Habsburg wedding, where they were pretending to be people, of good social position, to entertain the guests.

    Have a good night.

    Replies: @AP

    Dumb Sharikov is forced to agree with me but copes by using the word “idiot” that he has learned. Very cute.

    “Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Only an idiot would assume otherwise.”

    Correct, sweetheart. You are an idiot

    Nice cope.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. So Russians would take the identical test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated.

    That’s right, idiot.

    For this reason a test, no matter which, is calibrated with a reference to either the British mean score, or the US mean score, or the OECD countries mean score, like the PISA test.

    And serious researchers, idiot, value the PISA test, because it’s the most comprehensive one

    No less than the Raven’s. The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    As a reminder, Russians do worse on the PISA than do white Americans. You stopped talking about that.

    For that – in the US, where the universities are commercial enterprises, depending on the tuition fees – perhaps so, the pool of people capable of financing such an education is small.

    On the contrary, due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in if they were not weeded out by the examinations. And furthermore there are examination necessary to be allowed to practice.

    You are not in a position to estimate someone else’s intelligence

    Sharikov has an opinion. Very cute.

    The Wechsler has different items depending on country. One can’t calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts.

    A translation is used

    Nonsense. The verbal parts of the Wechsler test are not directly translated. The trivia parts that ask about historical events are different because each country has different historical events.

    The score is set to be as 100 at the mean Greenwich IQ and then it’s measured against that reference point, no matter where the test is taken

    Also nonsense. Each country has its own 100, they are not all calibrated to the British 100.

    Sharikov fails to think, again.

    The American version was normed on a sample in the United States:

    https://www.mentalhelp.net/psychological-testing/wechsler-adult-intelligence-scale/

    The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90.

    UK edition, Canadian edition, etc. underwent their own standardizations in those countries, so that the average IQ in the UK on the UK version is 100, it is 100 in the USA on the American version, and so on.

    Canada sample for Canada’s norms:

    https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ782127

    “This study evaluated the concurrent validity of estimated Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scales-Third Edition (WAIS-III) index scores using various one- and two-subtest combinations. Participants were the Canadian WAIS-III standardization sample”

    Even the Canadian and Americans norms are rather different:

    https://academic.oup.com/acn/article/29/8/737/2726816

    “Employing the Canadian normative system yielded IQ, Index, and subtest scores that were systematically lower than those obtained using the American norms. Furthermore, the percentage agreement in normative classifications, defined as American and Canadian index scores within five points or within the same classification range, was between 49% and 76%. Substantial differences are present between the American and Canadian WAIS-IV norms.”

    Canadians on average are smarter than Americans (because American norms are based on a sample that includes African Americans) so the norms are different: the same number of correct answers produces a lower IQ score on the Canadian version. But within both Canada and the USA, the averages are both 100.

    Do you understand now, Sharikov? Or must I repeat it again for you?

    The German version, the Hamburg Wechsler Intelligence Test for Adults (HAWIE), was published by Hardesty and Lauber (1956) immediately after the publication of the WAIS. The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.

    Understand it, stupid

    Sharikov can post but Sharikov can’t understand.

    The task material and structure are the same, but actual items are not. Germans are not being asked questions about American historical figures on their version of the Wechsler test, like Americans are. Moreover the norms are different. The German WAIS is based on a German standardization sample.

    As I wrote before, the Ravens’ unlike the Wechsler actually has completely identical items wherever it is administered, so one can make direct comparisons across countries. That’s why serious researchers use it while Sharikov dismisses it.

    Understand it now? Or still too dumb?

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    You are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied.

    You are trying to insult people who were probably a lot more noble than your ancestors. My grandfathers were colonels,

    You are not ashamed to admit to be descended from Sovok colonels. LOL.

    Was that the excrement that ended up in Ukraine?

    No wonder healthy Ukrainian peasants looked upon you with aversion, as one looks upon a drunk’s vomit.

    and my grandmother’s family were medical doctors, going back for a few generations.

    And who were they before the Revolution? Your one grandmother isn’t enough to redeem you.

    “You have admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.”

    You began insulting me as soon as you heard that my sympathies were with the USSR

    I saw you for the grotesque mockery of a human that you are. Right away. Love of the putrid USSR was a good sign. Like all those other people you encountered and who you admitted disliked you. It’s not us, it’s you.

    It’s natural for a Sharikov such as you to have sympathy for the USSR, just as it is natural for you to support the murder of children in Ukraine now. It’s the same corrupt morality.

    And your stupidity is also quite natural.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/prfnJrpD/AP.jpg

    How can you force me to do anything, and when was it that you forced me to agree with you?


    The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.
     
    Comprehensive means of large content or scope; wide-ranging. Therefore it's more comprehensive.

    Russians do worse on the PISA than do white Americans. You stopped talking about that.
     
    Hasn't that been the topic of the last week and haven't we closed it agreeing that the score of ethnic Russians should have been 101.4 at the time of that test. You are confusing me.

    Due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in.
     
    A person with low income wouldn't be able to get a loan. So a large pool of people are not able to get in, no matter what the examinations. Your failure to understand that is showing again that you are living in a bubblehead world.

    Your life experience is poor.

    The verbal parts of the Wechsler test are not directly translated. The trivia parts that ask about historical events are different because each country has different historical events.
     
    Haven't you read the citation?

    "The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure."

    You think it's nonsense, idiot – that's a citation.

    Each country has its own 100, they are not all calibrated to the British 100. Sharikov fails to think, again. The American version was normed on a sample in the United States.
     
    You are now going to repeat after me? Monkey see, monkey do. That fits you. As your initials do, apey. That's awesome.

    Except that it doesn't work like that.

    Look, let's take a break for a second – listen to me.

    A test, no matter which one, has to be set up once, calibrated for a point of reference that is called Greenwich – not as a reference to a location, but as a metaphor, like the Greenwich meridian, which is used to measure time zones.

    So it's here, for a specific test there is a chosen Greenwich IQ. For the PISA it's the OECD mean score, for the WAIS it's the US and Canada mean. Yes there are two coefficient variants, for Canada and for the US.

    Have never heard about that.

    You first link is reading, "The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range."

    Your second link, that you think refers to some different norms is an evaluation, to make sure that the current calibration is still valid, because it can change over time.

    Your third article is explaining that the version calibrated for Canada produces lower scores, and since this test is used in medicine and both countries are more or less a common space, cultural and otherwise, it raises a number of problems.

    "The authors noted that clinicians evaluating patients with acquired cognitive deficits might conclude that a person has a greater degree of cognitive impairment when using the Canadian norms compared with the American norms."

    This is not how that test is used in other countries.

    The international standard is the US test, and it's the same for all, and it's in English. There are some translated versions, to me the German one is familiar, it's translated from English and it uses the US calibration. The same questions, the same scores.

    And no, there are no questions about historical events.

    So what it means is that for measuring intelligence in various countries for a comparison, one standard, so called Greenwich IQ, has to be used. You have seen from that last article how complicated that process of calibration is.

    That would make it impossible to estimate the difference between various countries, if there was a separate set of norms for each.

    For the same reason the PISA test uses one set of norms, calibrated for the OECD countries mean score in sum total, and not counted for each country independently – that wouldn't make sense, and would make things a lot more cumbersome.

    And since the PISA test is based on the school mathematics and science, whatever is implied here, and reading, it's a lot more comprehensive and reliable, than the Progressive Matrices. However it doesn't fit for adults. The adults forget.

    The task material and structure are the same, but actual items are not. Germans are not being asked questions about American historical figures on their version of the Wechsler test, like Americans are.
     
    The task material is the items. There are no questions about historical figures, the test is not meant for examination of knowledge, but meant to determine comprehension and reasoning abilities. You have never taken this test.

    Trust me, there's nothing like that.

    And serious researchers are not serious, if a limited to logic Matrices test is in their opinion enough to estimate someone's intelligence. As a matter of fact, neither is the PISA, nor is the WAIS test sufficient to estimate people's intelligence.

    But the latter two are better.

    You are not ashamed to admit to be descended from Sovok colonels. No wonder healthy Ukrainian peasants looked upon you with aversion, as one looks upon a drunk’s vomit.
     
    You are showing here emotional mutilation of such magnitude, that it makes me regret having started this exchange of opinions. You are the kind of person that could get a good slap from me, and there have been few people, that made me do it.

    Me be a pacifist.

    You have not lived in Ukraine, have no idea who the Ukrainian people are, would not have been at home over there, would have been an alien there – it's pointless. You are not a Ukrainian. You don't know what you are talking about.

    And likewise, you have never lived in the Soviet Union, and all these bitter feelings are not from an experience of living there. You are expressing your own, internal, not connected to any of this, emotions. And you are not a happy man.

    These stories you are telling, how you are so fortunate, and your wife is great, and your life is wonderful – are bullshit. You are lying to yourself. You are sitting here, most of the time, and you probably haven't spoken to your beautiful wife in weeks.

    Your life is not a happy man's life.

    You are a bitter, boring, ignorant and insolent prick.

    And who were they before the Revolution? Your one grandmother isn’t enough to redeem you.
     
    For the record, it isn't important, not for me. My grandparents are grandparents, they are not me. My life isn't their life, or a continuation of it. My personal preferences are different, and the things of interest to me are very different from theirs.

    My grandmother entered a university before the war, she had to pause the studies and worked as a nurse near the front lines, and then, after the war, she continued and finished the studies. Her father, and his father, were doctors. Her sister was a doctor as well. Her nephew is a doctor.

    Their family was Hebrew.

    She met my grandfather at the war. He was a Russian, she was born in Ukraine. She had a house, and after the war they moved there, and that's where my mother was born. That house is still standing there, but it doesn't belong to y family anymore.

    They gave it up – to the state, in exchange for a new apartment. They could have kept it, but she didn't want to. She was strange like that.

    Her husband, my grandfather, was a hard and strict person. He ended up becoming a director, that's like the main manager or something, of one of the biggest factories in the region, and wasn't making much. Had a personal driver though.

    My other grandfather was a kind, intelligent and charming person. He was a Ukrainian-born Romanian. The Air Forces colonel, at the end of his career. His wife, my second grandmother, was a Russian from Siberia.

    Her family was a special case.

    Her father was an officer, who came to arrest her grandfather who was a farmer, and instead of arresting him he fell in love with his daughter. Her mother had a talent, a gift, she could see things, like the future, sometimes, and she knew he was coming.

    That's how the lives were going. People can't choose a homeland, or control the politics. One does what he can, making the best of the situation. My grandparents were honest, never stole anything, there's nothing to be ashamed of. They were not bad people.

    And these ideas of yours, about everything being corrupt, and evil, are your own demons in your own head, having nothing to do with the reality. They are your hallucinations.

    You are a sick person.

    And a fool.

    Replies: @AP

  633. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Sharikov can’t read. The article begins by discussing housing not houses. Housing includes both houses and apartments. The chart refers to housing.

    Later it discusses homes and has a chart about those, and then discusses housing again. For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    Sharikov was too dumb to figure that out and got confused.


    one or two children, that is 3 or 4 people, right? And you said that you agree, that most people in Germany live in apartments, right?

    Therefore we have a situation here – 3 or 4 people and an apartment, in which you say they have 1.8 rooms per person on the average. So

     

    Sharikov can’t reason.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.

    Furthermore, a significant portion (though not a majority) of Germans do live in detached houses.

    These facts altogether indicate that what I wrote is consistent with reality.

    But Here be Sharikov, incapable of reasoning, read the fact that the average German has 1.5 (or whatever) children and decided that therefore every household in Germany has 3-4 people in it, did some math, and decided that this would mean that the average housing unit should have about 6-8 rooms.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.

    In fact, it appears that the average household size in Germany, when one takes into account families, single people, divorcees, pensioners is 2 people:

    https://www.arcgis.com/home/item.html?id=b6a82e2a656042b899bb88a1aeca5751

    What cruel monsters, gave Sharikov the gift of reading but not the gift of reason?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Well, go ahead, retarded.

    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    And it doesn’t mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.

    Most of the time it is.

    Most people as well do not own these apartments. The apartments are rented, and if owned then sold sometimes as well, etc.

    The situation is that most people have an apartment of the size determined as standard, and that is 45 square meters for a single person, and then 15 meters more for another person. The average room size is 15 square meters.

    No matter the size of families, the ratio is not going to be 1.8 room per person. It will be somewhere between 1.25 to 1.5, a man would understand, a chimpanzee can’t count.

    Furthermore, a significant portion of Germans do live in detached houses.

    Yes, in the rural areas, about 25 percent, but those are not big houses, though a bit bigger than a flat.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.

    To think is a concept a chimpanzee cannot understand. You can’t count, on top of that, well read then.

    For a couple, 1.8 rooms per person is a 3.6 room apartment, that’s either a 4 or a 3 room apartment, for a childless couple, on average, and that’s not how that is.

    For a couple with a child, 1.8 rooms per person is a 5.4 room apartment, that’s either a 5 or a 6 room apartment, for a couple with a child, on average, and that’s not how that is.

    For a couple with two children, 1.8 rooms per person is a 7 room apartment, for a couple with two children, on average, and that’s not how that is.

    People in Germany can’t afford that kind of housing.

    Read on, idiot.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    You're wrong about another thing. Thankfully this is easy to disprove.

    The size of housing can be measured as the average number of rooms per person: there were on average 1.6 rooms per person in the EU in 2020. Among the Member States, the largest number was recorded in Malta (2.3 rooms per person), followed by Belgium and Ireland (both 2.1 rooms). At the other end of the scale were Romania (1.1 rooms), Croatia, Latvia, Poland and Slovakia (all with 1.2 rooms on average per person).

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1b.html?lang=en#:~:text=On%20average%201.6%20rooms%20per,in%20the%20EU%20in%202020.

    Notice how it is on the former Eastern block states with the fewest rooms.

    And Germany is a healthy 1.8.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    , @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    And it doesn’t mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.
     
    So what in your little mind is housing that is not detached or semi-detached if not apartment (or condo) buildings?

    From the article you liked to:

    https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/lifestyle-cuisine/housing-in-germany

    4ZKB is the code for a typical German rented apartment. Translated, it stands for four rooms plus kitchen and bathroom.

    Statistically, each household consists of two people.

    What is four divided by two, Sharikov?

    It is two. Or about 1.8 - two rooms per person.

    Eurostat:

    Average number of rooms per person:

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1b.html?lang=en

    Germany: 1.8

    ::::::::::::::

    The rest is your convoluted way of trying to prove that 4/2 is not 2.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  634. @songbird
    What do all the people in EU Parliament with PhDs (1/4) have those degrees in? Is what I'd like to know. Probably education and gender studies.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Law, and after that political science would be my guess.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Possibly not representative, but glancing over this list seems to imply mostly economics and what I would say amounts to "political science", though it goes by several names.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Harvard_University_politicians

  635. @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon


    ....A few hundred people on the top were initiating and controlling the entire corruption.
     
    I think it was a bit more, in Czecho-Slovakia in tens of thousands. There were local honchos that would move up people on waitlists for free apartments or for a really-good free vacation.

    But I agree, it was relatively minor. I suspect even in the super-uncorrupt socialist Sweden or Finland it occasionally happens with government largesse. We say "a shirt is closer than a coat" - it always will be, no matter what the system.

    The massive theft after 1989 was done mostly by the nomenclatura insiders and their families. Some became oligarchs. Andrej Babis in Czechia is a good example: his dad was a party chief in a small western Slovak district that had country's largest fertilizer plant. Babis was smart, hard-working, and in the early 90's quickly took "ownership" of the plant. Then he drove around newly-privatised farms in Czechia and offered to the desperate farmers to be paid partially in land. Repeat for a few years and his land-holding company (Agrofert) became the biggest company in Czechia...next he became Finance Minister and then Prime Minister.

    Nothing wrong with it, he is among the more deserving ones. But the question: "And how did you make your first million?" is too sensitive. As it is in the West.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Nothing wrong with it, he is among the more deserving ones. But the question: “And how did you make your first million?” is too sensitive.

    A lot is wrong with it.

    For this reason alone Socialism is better, and now we have this new “elite” made of hustlers.

  636. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Well, go ahead, retarded.


    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).
     
    And it doesn't mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.
     
    Most of the time it is.

    Most people as well do not own these apartments. The apartments are rented, and if owned then sold sometimes as well, etc.

    The situation is that most people have an apartment of the size determined as standard, and that is 45 square meters for a single person, and then 15 meters more for another person. The average room size is 15 square meters.

    No matter the size of families, the ratio is not going to be 1.8 room per person. It will be somewhere between 1.25 to 1.5, a man would understand, a chimpanzee can't count.

    Furthermore, a significant portion of Germans do live in detached houses.
     
    Yes, in the rural areas, about 25 percent, but those are not big houses, though a bit bigger than a flat.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.
     
    To think is a concept a chimpanzee cannot understand. You can't count, on top of that, well read then.

    For a couple, 1.8 rooms per person is a 3.6 room apartment, that's either a 4 or a 3 room apartment, for a childless couple, on average, and that's not how that is.

    For a couple with a child, 1.8 rooms per person is a 5.4 room apartment, that's either a 5 or a 6 room apartment, for a couple with a child, on average, and that's not how that is.

    For a couple with two children, 1.8 rooms per person is a 7 room apartment, for a couple with two children, on average, and that's not how that is.

    People in Germany can't afford that kind of housing.

    Read on, idiot.


    Housing in Germany
    https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/lifestyle-cuisine/housing-in-germany

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    You’re wrong about another thing. Thankfully this is easy to disprove.

    The size of housing can be measured as the average number of rooms per person: there were on average 1.6 rooms per person in the EU in 2020. Among the Member States, the largest number was recorded in Malta (2.3 rooms per person), followed by Belgium and Ireland (both 2.1 rooms). At the other end of the scale were Romania (1.1 rooms), Croatia, Latvia, Poland and Slovakia (all with 1.2 rooms on average per person).

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1b.html?lang=en#:~:text=On%20average%201.6%20rooms%20per,in%20the%20EU%20in%202020.

    Notice how it is on the former Eastern block states with the fewest rooms.

    And Germany is a healthy 1.8.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Your point is that in the West people have better living conditions – of course, in general, and the salaries are higher.

    Though in Greece there are 1.3 rooms, the same as in Bulgaria, and in Italy 1.4, less than in Hungary, Czechia, Slovenia, Lithuania and Estonia.

    How do you explain that – Italy is not a poor country.

    But regarding the number of rooms, it looks like dependent children are not counted as persons.


    Household definition:

    A 'private household' means "a person living alone or a group of people who live together in the same private dwelling and share expenditures".
     
  637. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    It was Coconuts who first used the word "rooms." You can decide that bathrooms, kitchens and anything else don't count as rooms for you, but your definition isn't relevant to him.

    As for what this says about living standard, just 6% of people in the whole of the UK have fewer bedrooms than people in their dwelling, while 70% have at least one surplus one. As per the source I provided.

    I suppose you might think that the 6% is a disgrace, but 6% is tiny and their situation is mostly likely very temporary. I've known people to have more people than bedrooms when they let a friend or family members stay for a month, while their new accomodation was sorted or there was some emergency.

    Or you might think that only 70% having a spare bedroom, or more, is bad, but it seems efficient and reasonable to me. Personally, I am part of a couple living in a three bedroom house. Were there not other factors, this would be much more pain than it is worth.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    You can decide that bathrooms, kitchens and anything else don’t count as rooms for you, but your definition isn’t relevant.

    It wouldn’t be if it was mine, but it ain’t mine, it’s theirs – in the British Commonwealth countries they count bedrooms, and when they say a 3-bedroom flat, that means there are 3 bedrooms plus a living room.

    The European standard is to count rooms regardless of their names, so when we say a 3-room apartment, that means there are 2 bedrooms and a living room.

    As for what this says about living standard, 6% of people in the whole of the UK have fewer bedrooms than people in their dwelling, while 70% have at least one surplus one.

    So – what’s the point, and what are you trying to disagree with?

  638. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    – Russian economy is unlikely to collapse. To put it bluntly: they have stuff others always want to buy. How would that change short of returning to stone age?
     
    Nigeria also has stuff that people want to buy. But Russia, even taking a tenth of a step towards where Nigeria is, would be considered a collapse. Primitive resource extraction economies, of which type Russia increasingly resembles, only sustain primitive livelihoods, except for the super rich and connected. Enjoy.

    – The weapons are useless without soldiers willing to die using them. Nato can send $40 billion or $100 billion each year, if Ukie army shrinks due to losses and population gets tired of dying, it will be over. I know it is a big “if”, but seems as likely as a heroic resistance forever.
     
    You don't understand how an occupation turns a population against an occupier. Nor how little effort it is to kill occupying troops, and how low risk.

    And the Ukrainian population already hates Russia. We can see that in their incredibly brave conventional resistance.

    This means that near every Ukrainian man, when under Russian domination, will wake up, near every single day and, at least, consider, walking around the corner and shooting Russian troops in the back, and what can Russia do to stop this? Build Ukraine up? Russia can't even build Russia up.

    Let's hope Russia decides to duck this challenge.

    – Some areas would need permanent forces – and some of them would be recruited locally. There are a lot of Russians, or Russian-speakers, or halfies in the south-east. Your vision of a homogeneous Ukrainian nationalist population is a fantasy.
     
    Zelenskyy is a Russian speaker and he won the first round of the Ukrainian election on the backs of the Russian speakers. He represents them very well. They are is core constituency.

    Furthermore, a homogenous Ukrainian nationalism is forming in this invasion, so bow almost all Ukrainians oppose Russia, and it is actually Eastern Ukrainian Russian speakers who have thwarted Russian advances. I wonder who thought Russia could invade and somehow maintain substantial popularity?

    – It is not Russia that has to recognize Donbas separation, it is Kiev. They may never do it, so you have a territorial dispute that blocks Ukraine from Nato.
     
    Yes, so Russia either gets endless conventional war, or Ukraine joins NATO.

    Which means, as obviously Russia cannot sustain endless conventional war, that Ukraine will join NATO. Perhaps Russia withdrawing from the Donbas might be enough to convince the Ukrainians to not join, but I think that's unlikely to be even close to enough.

    – I doubt very much Russia would need any occupation force in Donbas. You keep on forgetting that Donbas has 60-100k militia fighting Ukies – they will be sufficient to manage it
     
    Their numbers are probably about a third of that. It'll be a fifth rate Afghan National Army.

    Realistically, Russia will need about 150,00 of its own troops for at least a few years before they can think of giving some real responsibility to their criminal puppet militias. And they'll need to pay them well, on time, ensure they aren't corrupt, equip them and somehow keep them loyal.

    All the while Russia will continue to run the Donbas into the ground, just like they have since 2014, but at an accelerating pace, given Russian economic disaster.

    Look into the history of Northern Ireland. It has a tiny population, mostly loyal to Britain and yet was much worse than Afghanistan for the UK. This is but a tiny taste of what Russia can expect, if they can even succeed in defeating Ukrainian conventional forces, for which there is no evidence anyway.

    I know you think war is about "scoring points" or attacking the enemy army, but that just shows how ignorant you are. War is about enforcing political goals. Anything else is childish fantasising. For Russia to succeed, they should have already been handing over sovreignity of the whole of Ukraine to a Ukrainian puppet and have a Russian-funded Ukrainian military doing most of their counter-insurgency patrols. They would also need a budget of about a $1 trillion set aside, at least, to essentially bribe the Ukrainians into consent with infrastructure and just plain bribes. Furthermore, they would have needed to seal Ukraine's borders from movements by both Ukrainian personnel and arms.

    But instead, they have driven 33km from where they started. United Ukraine against them. Guaranteed Ukrainian funding against them for years. And only seen Ukrainian forces increase in size, equipment and sophistication, again, against them. If Zelenskyy ever ends up going, he will be replaced by someone much harsher on Russia than him. There's no hope for Russia to achieve its political goals and a war of attrition against a nation is possibly the most idiotic endeavour I can imagine.

    I don't know what Russia can do to save its retarded pride, but I do know what is far beyond it to achieve, and that is anything that looks like a victory to anyone sane. The most they can hope for is the poisoned chalice of a hostile occupation over a small part of Ukraine that they have turned to ashes. Get used to that fact. You will have it banged against your head, relentlessly, by reality, in the future.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Well, you have your scenario, I think it is wrong, way too optimistic for the current Kiev rulers. You try breathlessly to overstate your case and that suggests you are not so sure of it.

    War is about enforcing political goals.

    Yes, eventually. But first you have to win the war and the best way is by destroying the enemy’s army. That’s what Russians are doing, it will take a while, but Ukies can’t sustain these losses in men and material.

    United Ukraine against them.

    This summarizes a lot of your argument, so I will focus on it. How is Ukraine united if they are fighting a civil war in the east? You keep on downplaying or dismissing the Donbas Russians: but they exist, they are willing to fight, and they have a lot of similarly predisposed other Russian Ukrainians potentially on their side. How is that unity? It is actually a definition of disunity.

    You focus only on the West-Galicia and the fact that Zelko switched from the electorate who voted for him to be a pro-Western-only president. Some in the east and south fight for Kiev, but relatively few in a population of 20 million. Many are conscripted, I have seen dozens of POW interviews (I know unreliable, but still) who say that they were taken from the streets, they don’t want to fight, and don’t support Kiev. Maybe they are lying – but if Russians wins and they will continue “lying”, this will be the reality.

    Out of potentially at least 5-7 million Ukrainians, only around 600k, or 10% are actually fighting against Russia. Why is that? Many run away, many are in hiding. They are the ones who will survive the war and thus set the tome for its aftermath. The idea that a guy who avoided a draft will then risk his life to pop off a Russian soldier on a street is a bit far-fetched.

    Russia is not Nigeria. Russia has around 1/4 of the world’s material resources (official WTO estimate). They have a small population and lots of resources. They are good at technology, they will do fine. You will be waiting for a collapse that may never come.

    Two other data points:
    Crimea and Chechnia: some of the same stuff was said by some of the same people about endless resistance a bloodbath for Russia, etc… Well? Where is it? Crimea seems quite happy and Checjens are even fighting in Ukraine (on Russia side).

    I am skeptical of these “we will get you after we lose the war” threats in E Europe: people are way too normal there, families are small, people are not risk-takers. Most of the potential guerilla fighters are perishing in Donbas in an uneven fight.

    Your earnest optimism intentionally mischaracterizes reality, your overstate Kiev side. And you exaggerate the perceived losses by Russia. Give it 6 months, we will know more. I think Kiev has a very small chance, and getting an early settlement with a compromise is the best they can hope for. Longer this goes on, more Russia-friendly will the outcome be. But I am willing to wait and see how the war and the post-war go.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    You're lost in a fantasy and it is pointless discussing this with you. The only thing I will point out is that Chechnya and Crimea are very different from Ukraine in general.

    Crimea was demographically colonised by ethnic Russians long ago. It really has been an integral part of Russia for a long time, even if Russia recognised it as sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, Chechnya was a tiny population. Grozny had about 1/15 of the people of Kyiv. And Russia only succeeds in controlling them by effectively paying them tribute. It also allows other parts of Russia to be colonised by them, given their higher birth rate.

    In serving as both a tribute-giving vassal to Chechnya despite its tiny population, and making Russia Lebensraum for Chechnya, Russia has created a reliable source of torturers for itself.

    Obviously, this is not replicable with Ukraine, nor is it even desirable in the case of Chechnya. The only Russians who benefit anyway are Putin's coterie, who get a small group of savage soldiers, who are loyal only to the regime, as long as they continue to expend tremendous amounts of Russian treasure and land to pay them off.

    Replies: @Beckow

  639. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

    On average in the EU, 1.5 % of the population lacked a toilet, shower or bath (indoor plumbing.)

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1c.html?lang=en

    In the US, I have seen it said that 1.1 million people live without indoor plumbing. This makes the number somewhere around 0.29%.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    There are no villages in the US, and in Russia 25 percent of the population lives in a village. Russian villages are old school. No plumbing. Outdoor toilets, water from the well, oven, sauna – a different culture.

    There is a shower, but it isn't used except for in summer, the water is heated in a metal barrel on the roof, with sun light.

    Log houses for the most part.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULihJTMGMHo

    I have lived for some time in a village in Crimea, and in other two, elsewhere in Ukraine. And in another one near Warsaw in Poland. Have never been to a Russian village though.

    So the one in Crimea was on the seaside, and there was plumbing. The other two, in Central Ukraine, had no plumbing, and one had no gas as well. But it's kind of cool, cooking a soup in an oven, in a ceramic pot.

    There's a charm in it.

    And then in Poland, in that village, though there was plumbing there was no gas, but there was a bathroom and a bathtub. And there was a restaurant, in the village. Excellent food, great coffee.

    But the best villages are in Romania, in the mountains, at least of those that I've been to. Beautiful places, mesmerizing.

    Photos.


    An average Russian, Ukrainian, and Romanian village.

    https://i.postimg.cc/HxwQGhPg/Russia.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/qvWnNTPr/Ukraine.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/s2yj6HSS/Romania.jpg

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  640. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Good point about many of us often merging responses. But you did go on about Costa-Rica...And Latinas - today i will upgrade them from cholitas - they can be lovely, but they don't age well, not dissimilar to the previously mentioned apricots. How would you make nalinka from them?

    You need to chill. There is no strangeness in the world and people can be insensitive - it is a biological imperative. The situation is too serious for monochrome explanations that you stick to - there is a lot more to it, explore it, think it through.

    When people obsessively demand justice they end up with dead bodies all around - check out Shakespeare for details. Everybody has their own truth. Wars are fought to see which one prevails, there is not much justice in it.

    Ukraine is about to lose this one, you should think through the consequences. Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikel

    Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?

    Yes, for anyone who has been paying attention in the past years it is impossible to regard Ukraine (or the West) as blameless victims.

    But we are talking about a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction. Your argument is like watching a woman being raped and saying that being bitchy got her into “this no-win situation”.

    Just because Putin decided that he had no choice but to start this barbaric war it doesn’t mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine’s and NATO’s actions, let alone a justified one.

    Maybe Hitler also had some points worth pondering: German minorities’ rights, the onerous clauses of the Treaty of Versailles,… all of that became moot the moment he unleashed WWII and the Holocaust.

    Btw, I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Mikel

    Barbarossa was the point of no return IMHO. But that was supported by much of Western Europe given the composition of the SS and the allies that the Wehrmacht brought in.

    NATO is now playing the role of the Wehrmacht. Sorry to burst your bubble here.

    , @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction.
     
    Yes, it is a real deal, the wars are like that, we just forgot. So some morons decided to provoke one.

    ...it doesn’t mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine’s and NATO’s actions
     
    What should they have done? Wait another 8 years? Or do nothing and be very soon confronted with a fully-armed Nato in Ukraine, with bases, weapons, etc...What was a better alternative?

    It wasn't the best way to react, but I am struggling to come up with anything better that would not eventually lead to more carnage. Nato in Ukraine would inevitably cause a bigger war, either Kiev would attack Donbas, or even Crimea, or the tensions with missiles pointing at each other with a 3-minute warning (the distance from Ukraine's border to Moscow) would lead to something.

    US decades ago faced a similar dilemma in Cuba when Soviets tried to move there. US acted uncompromisingly and risked a nuclear war to force Soviets out (in exchange for missiles in Turkey, but still). I am trying to imagine a nationalist Quebec (or Mexico) deciding that maybe a military alliance with Russia would be a cool thing and that Russian navy can visit Quebec City, talk about a "security treaty" and bases. What are the odds US or the rest of Canada would just sit and wait? Zero, they would invade and put an end to it.

    We are all shocked because Russia waited 8 years. They tried everything to offer a compromise - it was flatly rejected. A war is always a crime, but there are a lot of criminals involved in this one.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.
     
    Given that the bulk of Ukraine's best-trained troops are in the Donbass, it was never realistic to expect a "limited operation" to stay contained there. Ukraine could never accept its best just being slaughtered without any form of escalation. It would be an unsustainable situation for any leader sitting in Kiev.

    Russia, for its part, would inevitably have to strike ammo depots, foreign mercenary bases all over Ukraine just like they are now, in order to maximise efficiency and to prevent reinforcements from the West reaching the frontlines. That in turn would almost certainly escalate the war.

    Putin knew this, which is why he dithered for so long and let the Donbass LPR hang out to dry for years. Once he committed to Donbass, it was going to be a war for the entire country.

    Replies: @Mikel

  641. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well, you have your scenario, I think it is wrong, way too optimistic for the current Kiev rulers. You try breathlessly to overstate your case and that suggests you are not so sure of it.


    War is about enforcing political goals.
     
    Yes, eventually. But first you have to win the war and the best way is by destroying the enemy's army. That's what Russians are doing, it will take a while, but Ukies can't sustain these losses in men and material.

    United Ukraine against them.
     
    This summarizes a lot of your argument, so I will focus on it. How is Ukraine united if they are fighting a civil war in the east? You keep on downplaying or dismissing the Donbas Russians: but they exist, they are willing to fight, and they have a lot of similarly predisposed other Russian Ukrainians potentially on their side. How is that unity? It is actually a definition of disunity.

    You focus only on the West-Galicia and the fact that Zelko switched from the electorate who voted for him to be a pro-Western-only president. Some in the east and south fight for Kiev, but relatively few in a population of 20 million. Many are conscripted, I have seen dozens of POW interviews (I know unreliable, but still) who say that they were taken from the streets, they don't want to fight, and don't support Kiev. Maybe they are lying - but if Russians wins and they will continue "lying", this will be the reality.

    Out of potentially at least 5-7 million Ukrainians, only around 600k, or 10% are actually fighting against Russia. Why is that? Many run away, many are in hiding. They are the ones who will survive the war and thus set the tome for its aftermath. The idea that a guy who avoided a draft will then risk his life to pop off a Russian soldier on a street is a bit far-fetched.

    Russia is not Nigeria. Russia has around 1/4 of the world's material resources (official WTO estimate). They have a small population and lots of resources. They are good at technology, they will do fine. You will be waiting for a collapse that may never come.

    Two other data points:
    Crimea and Chechnia: some of the same stuff was said by some of the same people about endless resistance a bloodbath for Russia, etc... Well? Where is it? Crimea seems quite happy and Checjens are even fighting in Ukraine (on Russia side).

    I am skeptical of these "we will get you after we lose the war" threats in E Europe: people are way too normal there, families are small, people are not risk-takers. Most of the potential guerilla fighters are perishing in Donbas in an uneven fight.

    Your earnest optimism intentionally mischaracterizes reality, your overstate Kiev side. And you exaggerate the perceived losses by Russia. Give it 6 months, we will know more. I think Kiev has a very small chance, and getting an early settlement with a compromise is the best they can hope for. Longer this goes on, more Russia-friendly will the outcome be. But I am willing to wait and see how the war and the post-war go.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You’re lost in a fantasy and it is pointless discussing this with you. The only thing I will point out is that Chechnya and Crimea are very different from Ukraine in general.

    Crimea was demographically colonised by ethnic Russians long ago. It really has been an integral part of Russia for a long time, even if Russia recognised it as sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, Chechnya was a tiny population. Grozny had about 1/15 of the people of Kyiv. And Russia only succeeds in controlling them by effectively paying them tribute. It also allows other parts of Russia to be colonised by them, given their higher birth rate.

    In serving as both a tribute-giving vassal to Chechnya despite its tiny population, and making Russia Lebensraum for Chechnya, Russia has created a reliable source of torturers for itself.

    Obviously, this is not replicable with Ukraine, nor is it even desirable in the case of Chechnya. The only Russians who benefit anyway are Putin’s coterie, who get a small group of savage soldiers, who are loyal only to the regime, as long as they continue to expend tremendous amounts of Russian treasure and land to pay them off.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...Crimea was demographically colonised by ethnic Russians long ago. It really has been an integral part of Russia for a long time
     
    Why is it then constantly referred to as Russian aggression? Kiev has not recognized it. Something doesn't add up here...

    ...Russia only succeeds in controlling them by effectively paying them tribute
     
    You can say that about almost any aid receiving group: Ukraine, Poland, blacks in US...nothing unusual, it is done all over the world. Chechens are less than 1% of Russia's population - to colonise Russia they will have to work a bit harder...maybe another horrible scenario you invented that won't happen?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  642. A quite pathetic overview directly above. One of several points being the characterization of Russians colonizing Crimea, when in point of fact, the Tatars weren’t there before the Rus era Slavs.

  643. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    Yes, for anyone who has been paying attention in the past years it is impossible to regard Ukraine (or the West) as blameless victims.

    But we are talking about a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction. Your argument is like watching a woman being raped and saying that being bitchy got her into "this no-win situation".

    Just because Putin decided that he had no choice but to start this barbaric war it doesn't mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine's and NATO's actions, let alone a justified one.

    Maybe Hitler also had some points worth pondering: German minorities' rights, the onerous clauses of the Treaty of Versailles,... all of that became moot the moment he unleashed WWII and the Holocaust.

    Btw, I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

    Barbarossa was the point of no return IMHO. But that was supported by much of Western Europe given the composition of the SS and the allies that the Wehrmacht brought in.

    NATO is now playing the role of the Wehrmacht. Sorry to burst your bubble here.

  644. @Beckow
    @Dmitry


    ...I was not living at the time of the Soviet Union unfortunately
     
    You show a strong opinion about 'what it was like' for someone wha had no real experience with life there. You also seconded AP's deranged nonsense - that is an unforgivable sin! You had absolutely zero experience of life in Czech-Slovakia or Hungary, so all this talk of "ruins" and "no fridges" is a hollow projection based on what you absorbed from the Western propaganda.

    'Here Be Dragon' summarized it well: for most people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe at that time. There were also some very old cars and run-down buildings in Vienna in the late 80's. And already a few migrants.

    You compare the West at its best with suburban bliss of the last few decades to E Europe of your imagination and fear, based on very piece-meal and shallow descriptions of people with agendas. Or people who wanted to make it more interesting, so they embellished.

    It simply doesn't ring true - I remember what it was like, good and bad, lazy lifestyles, occasional bananas, women teachers making stupid displays from slogans and begging us - literally - to show up for some meeting, or to come to the May 1st march. There would be an unlimited ice-cream they said, we still didn't bother. And absolutely nothing ever happened to us. How is that for a "totalitarian nightmare"? The truth is that in the last few decades of socialism the crazy stuff, the devoted pandering to the authorities, was done by the career oriented opportunists - nobody was forcing anybody to do it. It was even in that way very similar to the West - just look around.

    Westerners are incapable of seeing it: the fog of propaganda and conformism is too thick.


    Ukraine is a corrupt third world country
     
    Small correction: Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991. What it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU to tolerate its oligarchs and nutty nationalism, so that won't happen. It is too angry to make up with Russia. Maybe a local Napoleon will pop up, or it will disintegrate. They had a chance and they blew it.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Emil Nikola Richard, @AP, @Dmitry

    someone wha had no real experience

    I know what the life was like in Soviet times as my parents, grandparents, and everyone, has lived and breathed that. And the world I was born was simply the immediate moments after a political change.

    Meanwhile, you can tell us about being the representative from the posh Central European country where they can film Amadeus.

    You also seconded AP’s deranged nonsense – that is an unforgivable sin!

    I don’t think anyone is following your arguments with AP, so I’m not sure what you are trying to say here about “unforgivable sin”. You and AP both promote views which sound like Soviet propaganda about a “decaying West

    For you, this has been an enjoyable opportunity, to claim Czechoslovakia was the “lost Atlantis” of central Europe, with free Budweiser pouring from the city fountains and Skoda growing from trees. While AP seems to believe postsoviet Kiev and Moscow, are a positive example to follow, like kitsch streets, conspicuous consumption derived from interregional parasitism, increasing inequality, and the decision centres of fratricidal violence, are a representation of historical progress that can be anything to celebrate losing the USSR for.

    so all this talk of “ruins” and “no fridges”

    When I write about ruins and fridges? I assume Czechs will not drink warm beer. I find it difficult to imagine how they would live without a fridge.

    people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe

    Maybe in Central Europe.

    I’ve been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression “this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil”.

    But the life of developed socialism from 1960s-1980s, the standard of living for average people was a lot more convergent with the West than it was in the 19th century or the 21st century so far.

    that for a “totalitarian nightmare“?

    Well it can be exaggeration to say USSR was completely totalitarian, except perhaps in some repressions such as the late 1930s. But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn’t only product of socialism.

    Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991.

    Ukraine was relatively more corrupt also in Soviet times.

    it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU

    Ukraine will improve if it can join the EU, as the postsoviet countries are too culturally or structurally weak to solve their problems (and these problems are very costly), they require external monitoring and a formal framework with rules they cannot cheat.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    When I write about ruins and fridges? I assume Czechs will not drink warm beer.
     
    Czech beer is quite acceptable at cellar temperature.

    One of the reasons why Pilsner style works so well is geography that allows underground lagering of beer with no artificial cooling. The image below is from the most famous regional brewer, Pilsner Urquell (1).

    While you now see more above ground cooling, much of that is related to the export market. Czech beer international volume is comparable to Ireland despite being only 2/3 the population.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://english.radio.cz/underground-tour-pilsner-urquell-brewers-worlds-first-pale-lager-8148425

     
    https://img.radio.cz/pictures/r/pivo/plzensky_pivovar18/pivovar_plzen_sklepy3.jpg
    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    Come on you're smarter than that.

    I’ve been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression “this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil”.

    And I’ve been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.

    https://i.postimg.cc/65r1McXJ/Saint-Petersburg.jpg

    Don't think it reminds me so much of London either.

    https://i.postimg.cc/d1J8t2fd/London.jpg


    But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn’t only product of socialism.
     
    You might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn't have a baton, didn't have tear gas. A police state is in America.

    The Soviet police was polite.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Dmitry

  645. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @Sean


    I do not think Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019),
     
    Putin demanded full neutrality/no membership in any blocs (which would have meant no EU), demilitarization, regime change/deNazification (which would have included purging of nationalism from schools, some kind of monitoring regime to prevent "Nazism" reappearance, etc.) , recognition of loss of Crimea and all Donbas territories. In other words, Belarussianization with (at first) the Eurasian Customs Union.

    To get all of that, Putin will have to conquer all or most of Ukraine and to either occupy it or to successfully destroy it so thoroughly that 30 million people or so will be driven from those lands. How realistic do you think that is?

    Otherwise, any peace deal would include no interference with EU integration, no "deNazification", no demilitarization. NATO membership depends on NATO and it is unlikely that NATO will agree to it. Other details such as territorial ones would depend on how far Russia gets before the Russians or Ukrainians run out of men and equipment. We do not appear to be close to that point yet, and I have no idea when that will come. Probably not for several months at least. Until then, expect slow Russian gains of a few km per day in small parts of a thousand mile front, either in perpetuity until the Ukrainians collapse or until the Russians lose so much men and equipment that Ukraine claws back some land until they run out of gas.

    A very sad, bloody, stupid situation entirely of Russia's choosing.

    I disagree with Aether that there would be significant partisan fighting on Russian-controlled territory. Russia seems to be slowly destroying and killing everything in its path, the pro-Ukrainians all flee, leaving behind perhaps 5% to 10% of the original population, most of whom didn't flee because they are the small pro-Russian minority in those lands (or are too old to flee). Those guys won't be resisting. So Severodonetsk once had 100,000 people, now it is down to 7,000-10,000. Russians can make movies of some of the welcoming Russian forces and lie to themselves that this small number who self-selected to wait until the Russians come, represents the wishes of the people of Donbas to be liberated.

    I doubt there would be much colonization from Russia, Russia itself is losing population and who would want to move to a bombed out territory full of mines and unexploded munitions, perhaps Russia could get Tajiks to settle there. This strategy of mass destruction can work in limited areas such as Donbas but in a country the size of France? Russia does not have enough weapons and ammo to obliterate such a huge territory, the question is how much they can destroy and how far they can get, and if/how much Ukraine can recover.

    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

    Replies: @216, @A123, @Sean

    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism. Coming to terms with, as you put it “smaller territory” as an end state.

    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port. If it cannot keep one, Ukraine will be land locked, which creates huge economic penalties. It has been noted several times that the most favourable terrain for Russian forces is in the south near the coast. Sadly, Kiev has engaged in senseless aggression against Transnistria. Using the terrain advantage to clear Odessa & connect to Transnistria has to be near the top of Moscow’s objective list.

    The smart move for Ukraine would be negotiating an armistice NOW!

    Alas, Zelensky is taking bribes from European WEF Elites to act against the interests of the Ukrainian people. When history looks back on these events, George IslamoSoros & his SJW Globalists in Brussels and Davos will bear the blame for this fiasco. However, that is little comfort to both Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox Christians dying today.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123


    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism.
     
    My position from the beginning was that the fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be. Ideally it would be like the February 2022 border although at this point the Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.

    Wherever that border will be - the smaller Ukraine, the easier it will be to integrate with the West and therefore the quicker Ukraine will converge with its western neighbors. But ideally Ukraine would get to its February border or close to it.


    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port.
     
    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

    In the extremely unlikely event that Russia takes half of Ukraine or more, the railroads through Poland would be sufficient for what would be left of Ukraine to trade with the outside world. There would only be really difficult trade disruptions if Kiev keeps almost all of Ukraine other than the immediate coast.

    Most likely scenario (but I don't have a hard belief in it) is that Russia slowly takes most of the rest of Donbas before both sides run out of steam after massive casualties. Decent chance Kiev retakes Kherson but won't be able to cross the Dnipro so Russia retains the land corridor. Also decent chance that Kharkiv gets further devastated (though not taken) as Russia takes more territory in Kharkiv province and the city will no longer be Ukraine's second largest city, much of it's businesses and population having moved to Kiev, Dnipro, Odessa or Lviv (this process has already begun).

    Odds of Russia expanding further, beyond Donbas, or of Ukraine pushing back to the February border or beyond are not zero but not high.

    Peace would come with an internationally monitored plebiscite in Russian-controlled territories, removal of some sanctions, Ukraine keeps its army but no formal NATO membership, and moves towards the EU. But Zelensky has made clear that he would not do peace without a referendum and the Ukrainian people are not yet ready to make peace with the invaders whom they hate, for good reason. So it won't be very soon.

    As I said, short and medium term this is a tragedy but long-term Ukraine is not in a bad position. It is more internally cohsive than ever in its history, it will link with EU, etc.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @A123

  646. @German_reader
    @songbird

    Law, and after that political science would be my guess.

    Replies: @songbird

    Possibly not representative, but glancing over this list seems to imply mostly economics and what I would say amounts to “political science”, though it goes by several names.

  647. A123 says: • Website
    @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    someone wha had no real experience
     
    I know what the life was like in Soviet times as my parents, grandparents, and everyone, has lived and breathed that. And the world I was born was simply the immediate moments after a political change.

    Meanwhile, you can tell us about being the representative from the posh Central European country where they can film Amadeus.


    You also seconded AP’s deranged nonsense – that is an unforgivable sin!

     

    I don't think anyone is following your arguments with AP, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here about "unforgivable sin". You and AP both promote views which sound like Soviet propaganda about a "decaying West

    For you, this has been an enjoyable opportunity, to claim Czechoslovakia was the "lost Atlantis" of central Europe, with free Budweiser pouring from the city fountains and Skoda growing from trees. While AP seems to believe postsoviet Kiev and Moscow, are a positive example to follow, like kitsch streets, conspicuous consumption derived from interregional parasitism, increasing inequality, and the decision centres of fratricidal violence, are a representation of historical progress that can be anything to celebrate losing the USSR for.


    so all this talk of “ruins” and “no fridges”
     
    When I write about ruins and fridges? I assume Czechs will not drink warm beer. I find it difficult to imagine how they would live without a fridge.

    people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe
     
    Maybe in Central Europe.

    I've been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression "this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil".

    But the life of developed socialism from 1960s-1980s, the standard of living for average people was a lot more convergent with the West than it was in the 19th century or the 21st century so far.


    that for a “totalitarian nightmare“?
     
    Well it can be exaggeration to say USSR was completely totalitarian, except perhaps in some repressions such as the late 1930s. But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn't only product of socialism.

    Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991.
     
    Ukraine was relatively more corrupt also in Soviet times.

    it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU
     
    Ukraine will improve if it can join the EU, as the postsoviet countries are too culturally or structurally weak to solve their problems (and these problems are very costly), they require external monitoring and a formal framework with rules they cannot cheat.

    Replies: @A123, @Here Be Dragon

    When I write about ruins and fridges? I assume Czechs will not drink warm beer.

    Czech beer is quite acceptable at cellar temperature.

    One of the reasons why Pilsner style works so well is geography that allows underground lagering of beer with no artificial cooling. The image below is from the most famous regional brewer, Pilsner Urquell (1).

    While you now see more above ground cooling, much of that is related to the export market. Czech beer international volume is comparable to Ireland despite being only 2/3 the population.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://english.radio.cz/underground-tour-pilsner-urquell-brewers-worlds-first-pale-lager-8148425

     

  648. @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    Where did you get this probably from, it’s nonsense. What does this outside of London mean, if anything?
     
    You sound like you do not know much about this subject with this comment in relation to the UK housing market, and the later one:

    People in London earn 30 percent more than the average in the UK in other areas people earn up to 20 percent lower than the average.
     
    If you were in the UK the issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester or even more say, Middlesborough wouldn't need explaining.

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.
     
    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers? For information about historic terraced housing design in Britain there is a nice book by Stefan Muthesius called 'The English Terraced House' (Yale, 1982) which has plenty of detail on the different types of terraced houses.

    For your information, the middle class are people with middle income i.e. 75-200% of median, that is, upper working class/lower middle class are the middle class...
     
    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn't write bedrooms.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry

    Middlesborough wouldn’t need explaining.

    Lol in Middleborough, you can buy luxury apartments in this building for £300,000 ($370.000). With this money, you can actually look like you live in England.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/121829237#/

    Whereas in London, for £250,000 ($300,000) you can only buy this level of “luxury”. For $300,000 in London, you would have to imagine you are living in outbacks of Russia/Ukraine/Belarus, rather than Jane Austen’s land.

    https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/75626640#/?channel=RES_BUY

    • Agree: Coconuts
  649. Russia using River Islands to hop across the Donets last night.

    Shepilovo is the town where they decided to make the crossing.

    A google Map sat view shows how it might be easily fordable and bridged.

    More crossings to follow.

  650. A123 says: • Website
    @Mikhail
    https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1541508456225595393

    A potential setup for some other action?

    https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/kosovo-indictment-proves-bill-clintons-serbian-war-atrocities/

    Article doesn't mention that Americans aren't indicted unlike others.

    Good insight -

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QzNCk3MQ8Y&feature=emb_logo

    Replies: @216, @A123

    Scores of civilians are feared killed or injured after a Russian rocket strike hit a crowded shopping mall in Ukraine’s central city of Kremenchuk, Ukrainian officials said Monday.

    Did CBS really run that photo & story recently?

    I am quite sure I used that exact photo here some months ago. It dates back to Kiev in March: (1)

    Again, it must consistently be repeated – trust nothing from western or Russian state media about the issues in the Ukraine conflict. Everyone is shaping the war narrative to fit their agenda. Question everything you see and hear, wait to get the fulsome picture, and eventually the truth will surface.

    An example today follows a U.S. and Western media claim that Russia arbitrarily targeted a shopping center in the capital city of Kyiv (Kiev). According to the narrative, this is an example of Russian military brutality and arbitrary shelling of civilians

    Notice how full the car lot was when the mall had civilian business.
     

     

    And, the empty parking after the Ukrainian forces converted it to military use.
     

     

    Kremenchuk is 150-200 miles from Kiev so the misidentification is quite egregious.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/21/about-that-russia-attacking-a-shopping-center-story/

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123

    I've done a bit of digging, and it looks as if

    the mall was struck first, assuming the video showing the missile arriving is kosher

    a second missile hit the factory behind the mall. It's this strike which is shown on the "pond video" showing the explosion's effects on the nearby park.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWVp1xNWAAEuRGk.jpg

    Mall is light building at top, pond at bottom.

    You can see the moment of the factory strike here, flames top left, top to the right you can see smoke from the mall strike. Factory hit was right at the edge, did a lot more damage to the mall. Most shoppers left because of air raid sirens, but some staff still inside. Not great accuracy to put it mildly.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWVp1xIX0AAvEx8.jpg

  651. An exciting evening today!

    My wife found a Broad Winged Hawk chick which had fallen out of it’s nest. Incredibly, the week old puff ball (with some fearsome talons already) seems to have survived it’s 40′ fall nearly unscathed and is quite active and perky.

    I was going to try to put it back into it’s nest, but once I got my longest extension ladder precariously balanced and cockeyed up in the tree, I climbed most of the way up with the chick and realized I’d have to scale another 8′ of the tree using nothing but some spindly dead limbs to get the chick back in the nest. With my logging helmet and a heavy jacket on (for protection in case mama decided to go after me) I’m sure it must have been a ludicrous sight.

    While I can think of worse ways to die than some damn fool expedition to replace a hawk chick I figured that my kids would like to have me around a bit longer, and given that they and my wife were all footing the ladder it wouldn’t have done to plummet off the thing. So, discretion prevailed over valor and I pulled the plug on the endeavor. I have a reputation for being a madman climber, so if I felt like it was sketchy, trust me, it was really sketchy.

    We brought the chick home and set up a heat lamp and a nest box, so we’ll see how they do. Raptors are easy to feed, at least; just tweezer raw meat like mama would.

    I thought the best plan would be to raise it and see how hawking goes. I had a name picked out and everything…Stephen Hawking. MY wife seems to think we should take it to some wildlife rehabilitator, which is undoubtedly the correct, if decidedly less cool choice.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    Wildlife rescue operations love raptors; they make the greatest displays for donors. They might send a limo to pick it up.

    Please do not delay. Hawks are awesome and wildlife rescue is the nicest bunch of old ladies you will ever meet. They will probably offer you personal custom tours in perpetuity for you and your kids.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    Broad Winged Hawk
     
    Not one I am familiar with. Mainly see red-tail and cooper's. Read up a little and may have solved a mystery of my childhood. One day, when I was a boy, I remember seeing a frog without its skin, on the front stairs of my house. Guess certain birds skin a frog, before they eat it, so that might be the explanation.

    Closest I got to a bird recently was a ruby-throated hummingbird. One day, it buzzed me so close (they are quite loud, when they get really close, like 10x a bumblebee) that for a fleeting moment, I began to wonder if the government had released its killer drones on me. Another day I saw it, and blinked, and it had literally disappeared from my field of view, while I blinked. They get pretty desperate in late October, if you wear any bright colors.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa

  652. @Beckow
    Took you pills, grandpa? That burning hatred still burns bright.

    But what exactly was "my proposal"? I didn't propose absolutely anything, you seem incapable of even basic reading comprehension.

    And can you confirm that you are the former "Laxa" who run away from here after looking like a fool one too many times?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Aether freely admitted to being Laxa several threads ago. It just gets around whatever restriction on posting volume that Ron had instituted. Ron seems to be amenable to allowing Triteleia Laxa to have fresh start under the Aether handle. It’s not like there is anything mysterious going on with the whole thing.

  653. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Given the fact that we have established that it took you a couple posts to conclude that my estimate of PISA-derived Russian IQ was correct, one would think that Sharikov would be more humble. But Sharikov is as he must be.


    that in that case the average score in any country would be approximately the same, and then it wouldn’t be possible to compare the intelligence of various populations, and of different countries, because the test would be different for any of them.
     
    Correct. Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Scoring a 100 in a smart country might be like scoring a 110 in a less smart country.

    Only an idiot would assume otherwise.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. The norms may differ by country, but for purposes of comparison one can simply use, say, the British norms to establish a “British IQ.” So Russians would take the identical nonverbal test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated. In the case of ethnic Russians in Yakutia this was 97.9.

    This is why people like me are saying that capitalism is evil – because of people like you, who can buy a diploma, or a degree
     
    Lol, people can “buy” diplomas by paying for schools but they still have to pass entrance examinations to get into those schools and numerous further examinations in order to practice. These were not difficult for me, I am no genius but inherited enough brains for that. I would have doubts about you Sharikov. A number of Soviet or Russian trained emigrant physicians end up working as nurses because they couldn’t pass the exams or viewed doing so as too much effort. And they were smarter then you are.

    Sovok education was “free” which meant favours between parents and teachers, personal bribes, etc. The Soviet system was rotten and corrupt from top to bottom, producing rotten people like you. You think the 90s wasn’t a direct product of Soviet morality, values and corruption which further highlights your stupidity.

    The test is calibrated either for Britain or the US, where the median score is set as 100, we call it the Greenwich IQ. The translated versions of the test must meet the same standards of complexity
     
    They do, but each country has its own norms, so that the average IQ in each country is 100 based on its own internal norms. So the average IQ in Britain, Canada, USA on the WAIS is 100 on each country’s version of that test. This doesn’t mean that each country has an equal average intelligence.

    “ the Wechsler test while the gold standard for IQ testing within a country is not so great for cross-national comparisons. A nonverbal test is much better, because it uses the exact same items in each country.”

    Really, now it’s the same in each country? You have said it’s supposed to be normed within each country, so that within each country the average score is 100. And now it shouldn’t be normed
     
    The Wechsler has different items depending on country; the Ravens uses the same items in all the countries. Each country might have its own set of norms on the Ravens, but since the items are identical one can easily calculate a British IQ in a non-British country by simply using British norms.

    But one can’t simply calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts which are a major component of the Wechsler.

    This is why what you stupidly dismiss as a childrens test is commonly used and accepted in cross-national intelligence research by people who are much smarter than you are.

    I wonder Sharikov, if you are so dense that this will have to be explained to you a third time.

    You are that very retard, who was put in a good position, though you didn’t deserve it.
     
    No Sharikov, my relative position in life is similar to that which had fallen upon my ancestors for hundreds of years (at least), surviving even the disruption of war and emigration which left my grandparents temporarily penniless in a foreign land. It is thus natural and good.

    You on the other hand are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied. You profane anything good by mentioning it or trying to “think” about it.


    How can you be so stupid and have a Ph D?

     

    Just to be clear, I did not and will not specify my particular degree.

    It’s funny that in Bulgakov’s book, if memory serves correctly (I haven’t read it in 20 years or so) Sharikov was eventually trying to take the doctor’s Moscow (IIRC) apartment. And here our own Sharikov continues to obsess about my old Tverskaya apartment where I had lived.

    “I never denied that it belongs to family members. You lied about me when you stated that I claimed that it belongs to me or did to my parents, grandparents or other ancestors.”

    Family members or ancestors doesn’t make any difference.
     
    Ah yes, when the liar is caught in his lies his excuse is that it doesn’t make any difference. The reasoning of moral corruption.

    You are a misanthrope, an arrogant narcissist, a rude and ignorant person with delusions of grandeur
     
    Sharikov has learned some big words. You have already admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been (Israel, Poland, etc). It is natural for me and other normal people you encounter that view you with contempt and disgust. This is not a reflection on us but of you, Sharikov. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people.

    Misanthrope? I help others. And you? Arrogant narcissist (are there ones who are not arrogant?)? Realistic. I acknowledge that several people here are smarter than I am, and some are probs my more virtuous than I am. Not you though, as we have seen. Don’t be myopic.

    You are calling me a liar when it’s you who is lying.

     

    You have been caught in your lies here and elsewhere. I have only told the truth.

    That was the population that the USSR produced, what else could they do?

    What did the population have to do with corruption, you cretin? Most people were suffering, and those like your family prospered.

    The entire corruption was a few hundred people who were on top.
     
    The entire Soviet society was founded on theft and murder. And corruption was widespread from top to bottom. Bribery, favouritism, help me and I’ll help you, theft of all kinds (from the state or from each other). Yes, people in hell suffer and in the case of the “post” Soviet hell it was a suffering of their own collective making. Very sad.

    Corruption of a few at the top characterizes places like the USA with its lobbyists and so on. Corruption of daily life by regular people was a Sovok thing. Creatures like you were built for it and were a product of it, Sharikov.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Barbarossa

    On a different tangent…

    I was at a potluck this weekend and one of the other dads is a doctor who also does teaching with residencies from the local medical school. He made the remark that medical students are getting more annoying by the year, and when inquired further, he said that diversity hires are really driving the quality of students down. It’s not just racial box checking anymore but selecting for all “under-represented minority” groups. He said he’s getting a little worried that some of these are going to be his doctor at some point in the future…

    Have you seen any of that on your end, or are you somewhat insulated at this point?

    I think that this avoidance for selecting for competence will go a long way in the end to turning the normies off to woke liberalism eventually, but a lot of damage will be done in the meantime. The diversity hire will also be a hard to extricate fixture in academia since the phenomenon can be interpreted as an assurance of loyalty to the system which put them in place. Diversity hires will be very resistant to any reform because they fully understand where their bread is buttered.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Barbarossa


    Have you seen any of that on your end, or are you somewhat insulated at this point?
     
    Might be true of getting into med school, but not at the level of practice.

    The boards weed out people who aren't smart, so the ones working are actually smart, from my experience. The ones who are black are mostly from elite African backgrounds.

    Some states are relaxing standards for bar exams (future lawyers), which basically punishes clients who could previously count on a certain level of competence when they need representation. This isn't the case (yet) in medicine, standards remain high.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  654. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...very few of the best ones came
     
    That is true about all of provincial Europe, we are not Berlin-London-Paris. But you are right, even fewer than should had come, probably because they didn't want to and because of because 'commie government'. Most likely both. My parents have a ticket they saved from a Beach Boys 1969 concert in Bratislava (they didn't think much of the music).

    The idiotic Western meme 'but you banned Beatles!!!!' is so stupid that one almost doesn't want to respond. Old geezers raised on propaganda and not even realizing it. I almost welcome more AP's industrious digging through the weeds for that one more percent to definitely prove to himself that in 1985 N Jersey was better than Prague. Sure it was, if he stayed indoors (big house!) and ate manufactured garbage for food. See what it did to him. Again, any society can only be judged on results, the people it produces.

    The housing actually works differently: it is the availability and cost that matters. The American way has been to move to the outburbs with an oversized mortgage, tell people to drive until they are blue in the face (and correspondingly more stupid), and a big freezer to store food for 6 months. Great life and AP will count the square meters and gallons of milk and declare: "we live better!" Do they really? Some do, others don't. That was also the case 35 years ago.

    Socialist Eastern Europe was a successful, if a bit dull society - it had safety, basics provided for, families prospered, easy life, work wasn't onerous, and it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about. AP doesn't get it - he is a natural obedient conformist, as are most Western people.

    AP probably thinks that 'freedom' is staging an absurdist sketch on a street corner. It isn't, the real freedom is how we live our lives - freedom at work, ease of housing, what we do with our time. He will never get it. But I thought you may.

    Replies: @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about

    Interestingly, even today Slovakia is one of the most equal countries in the world (when we include wealth inequality in our measurement).

    There’s something in the water in your country, which seems to transgress political systems.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Thulean Friend


    even today Slovakia is one of the most equal countries in the world....There’s something in the water in your country, which seems to transgress political systems.
     
    It is true, even socially we are very egalitarian. It can be oppressively same, the ordinariness and a certain lack of ambition. But it makes for pleasant life for most people. Unfortunately, I probably ruin that metric...
  655. @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Russian propaganda has sold you on the low that Western media is completely homogenous and inevitably pro-Western.
     
    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.

    Not to mention that Western MSM now demonstrate the “unanimousness” that was previously achieved only twice in history, In Hitler’s Nazi Germany in late 1930-s and in Stalin’s USSR in the same period. This “unanimousness” of Western MSM that agrees 100% with the shit spewed by the officials of Western governments tells me all I need to know.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mikhail, @Ron Unz

    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.

    I haven’t noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I’d be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you? Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    I haven’t noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.
     
    Thanks! I did not post anything because I was reluctant to be on the website where somebody like “Rashes” personage is present. Maybe I was overly fastidious.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I’d be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you?
     
    No, I haven’t looked at the documents, as I have no way of checking their authenticity. In general, I see nothing implausible in those claims: the US runs biolabs working on bioweapons all over the world, so why not on the territory controlled by stupid obedient puppets that happens to be so close to Russia. I guess that was one of the reasons of masterminding 2014 coup in Kiev.

    Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?
     
    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman, but terrorists are apparently too dumb to manage mass production of disease-causing microorganisms without killing themselves. This is not an easy task, it requires high professionalism and proper protected facilities, whereas a standard terrorist is a religious nut, which means low IQ and very limited skill one can acquire w/o brains.

    Purely theoretically migratory birds can serve as a delivery vehicle, but they would spread the disease everywhere, including the place of launch. In case of Ukraine that won’t bother the empire much, as the masters see Ukrainians as disposable aborigines, but the geography of the resulting epidemic would inevitably betray the point of launch, thus implicating servants, and therefore masters.

    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US "elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Ron Unz

  656. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    Yes, for anyone who has been paying attention in the past years it is impossible to regard Ukraine (or the West) as blameless victims.

    But we are talking about a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction. Your argument is like watching a woman being raped and saying that being bitchy got her into "this no-win situation".

    Just because Putin decided that he had no choice but to start this barbaric war it doesn't mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine's and NATO's actions, let alone a justified one.

    Maybe Hitler also had some points worth pondering: German minorities' rights, the onerous clauses of the Treaty of Versailles,... all of that became moot the moment he unleashed WWII and the Holocaust.

    Btw, I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

    …a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction.

    Yes, it is a real deal, the wars are like that, we just forgot. So some morons decided to provoke one.

    …it doesn’t mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine’s and NATO’s actions

    What should they have done? Wait another 8 years? Or do nothing and be very soon confronted with a fully-armed Nato in Ukraine, with bases, weapons, etc…What was a better alternative?

    It wasn’t the best way to react, but I am struggling to come up with anything better that would not eventually lead to more carnage. Nato in Ukraine would inevitably cause a bigger war, either Kiev would attack Donbas, or even Crimea, or the tensions with missiles pointing at each other with a 3-minute warning (the distance from Ukraine’s border to Moscow) would lead to something.

    US decades ago faced a similar dilemma in Cuba when Soviets tried to move there. US acted uncompromisingly and risked a nuclear war to force Soviets out (in exchange for missiles in Turkey, but still). I am trying to imagine a nationalist Quebec (or Mexico) deciding that maybe a military alliance with Russia would be a cool thing and that Russian navy can visit Quebec City, talk about a “security treaty” and bases. What are the odds US or the rest of Canada would just sit and wait? Zero, they would invade and put an end to it.

    We are all shocked because Russia waited 8 years. They tried everything to offer a compromise – it was flatly rejected. A war is always a crime, but there are a lot of criminals involved in this one.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Beckow


    I am struggling to come up with anything better that would not eventually lead to more carnage.
     
    I fail to see such a dilemma. We are talking about hypotheticals versus the real horror of hundreds of people, often civilians on both sides of the front, being killed every day in a war that nobody knows how long will last.

    But, to use your own argument, if Russia has found itself in the "no-win situation" of having to cause the deaths of many thousands of troops, including its own, and a huge number of civilians, mostly Russophones, while becoming a pariah state with no real friends, it must be that Russia's "decisions and ideals" were as misguided as Kiev's.

    Replies: @Beckow

  657. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Well, go ahead, retarded.


    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).
     
    And it doesn't mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.

    People do not always live with children. They live in apartments before they have children and after the children grow up and leave. Each apartment is not occupied by 3-4 people at all times.
     
    Most of the time it is.

    Most people as well do not own these apartments. The apartments are rented, and if owned then sold sometimes as well, etc.

    The situation is that most people have an apartment of the size determined as standard, and that is 45 square meters for a single person, and then 15 meters more for another person. The average room size is 15 square meters.

    No matter the size of families, the ratio is not going to be 1.8 room per person. It will be somewhere between 1.25 to 1.5, a man would understand, a chimpanzee can't count.

    Furthermore, a significant portion of Germans do live in detached houses.
     
    Yes, in the rural areas, about 25 percent, but those are not big houses, though a bit bigger than a flat.

    Sharikov was taught to read but Sharikov was not taught to think.
     
    To think is a concept a chimpanzee cannot understand. You can't count, on top of that, well read then.

    For a couple, 1.8 rooms per person is a 3.6 room apartment, that's either a 4 or a 3 room apartment, for a childless couple, on average, and that's not how that is.

    For a couple with a child, 1.8 rooms per person is a 5.4 room apartment, that's either a 5 or a 6 room apartment, for a couple with a child, on average, and that's not how that is.

    For a couple with two children, 1.8 rooms per person is a 7 room apartment, for a couple with two children, on average, and that's not how that is.

    People in Germany can't afford that kind of housing.

    Read on, idiot.


    Housing in Germany
    https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/lifestyle-cuisine/housing-in-germany

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP

    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    And it doesn’t mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.

    So what in your little mind is housing that is not detached or semi-detached if not apartment (or condo) buildings?

    From the article you liked to:

    https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/lifestyle-cuisine/housing-in-germany

    4ZKB is the code for a typical German rented apartment. Translated, it stands for four rooms plus kitchen and bathroom.

    Statistically, each household consists of two people.

    What is four divided by two, Sharikov?

    It is two. Or about 1.8 – two rooms per person.

    Eurostat:

    Average number of rooms per person:

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1b.html?lang=en

    Germany: 1.8

    ::::::::::::::

    The rest is your convoluted way of trying to prove that 4/2 is not 2.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    A household doesn't count children as persons, that explains the numbers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  658. @Thulean Friend
    @Beckow


    it had real equality that Westerners can only dream about
     
    Interestingly, even today Slovakia is one of the most equal countries in the world (when we include wealth inequality in our measurement).

    https://twitter.com/brankomilan/status/1334335047550242817

    There's something in the water in your country, which seems to transgress political systems.

    Replies: @Beckow

    even today Slovakia is one of the most equal countries in the world….There’s something in the water in your country, which seems to transgress political systems.

    It is true, even socially we are very egalitarian. It can be oppressively same, the ordinariness and a certain lack of ambition. But it makes for pleasant life for most people. Unfortunately, I probably ruin that metric…

  659. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    Ask yourself how Kiev got into this no-win situation. If the decisions and ideals brought you to this point, how good are they?
     
    Yes, for anyone who has been paying attention in the past years it is impossible to regard Ukraine (or the West) as blameless victims.

    But we are talking about a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction. Your argument is like watching a woman being raped and saying that being bitchy got her into "this no-win situation".

    Just because Putin decided that he had no choice but to start this barbaric war it doesn't mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine's and NATO's actions, let alone a justified one.

    Maybe Hitler also had some points worth pondering: German minorities' rights, the onerous clauses of the Treaty of Versailles,... all of that became moot the moment he unleashed WWII and the Holocaust.

    Btw, I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

    I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.

    Given that the bulk of Ukraine’s best-trained troops are in the Donbass, it was never realistic to expect a “limited operation” to stay contained there. Ukraine could never accept its best just being slaughtered without any form of escalation. It would be an unsustainable situation for any leader sitting in Kiev.

    Russia, for its part, would inevitably have to strike ammo depots, foreign mercenary bases all over Ukraine just like they are now, in order to maximise efficiency and to prevent reinforcements from the West reaching the frontlines. That in turn would almost certainly escalate the war.

    Putin knew this, which is why he dithered for so long and let the Donbass LPR hang out to dry for years. Once he committed to Donbass, it was going to be a war for the entire country.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Thulean Friend


    Given that the bulk of Ukraine’s best-trained troops are in the Donbass, it was never realistic to expect a “limited operation” to stay contained there.
     
    Yes, probably, although in the end that's where Russia has had to concentrate its military machine. It would have probably been better for them to focus on Donbass from the very beginning.

    But what all this shows is that Russia shouldn't have waited for 8 years to rescue the people of Donbass if that was their goal. Once the consequences of your action are going to be worse than the evil you're trying to fight, you just don't go ahead with that action. That's how we all behave as moral individuals.

    On the other hand, if the true goal of all this carnage is to restore Russia's pride, as Aether suggests, then, quite frankly, fuck their feelings.

    Unfortunately, reading Russian sources, which have become essential to know what is really going on (such is the deplorable state of Western media), I get the impression that that is what this all boils down to: Russians acting up because of their hurt feelings.

  660. @Barbarossa
    An exciting evening today!

    My wife found a Broad Winged Hawk chick which had fallen out of it's nest. Incredibly, the week old puff ball (with some fearsome talons already) seems to have survived it's 40' fall nearly unscathed and is quite active and perky.

    I was going to try to put it back into it's nest, but once I got my longest extension ladder precariously balanced and cockeyed up in the tree, I climbed most of the way up with the chick and realized I'd have to scale another 8' of the tree using nothing but some spindly dead limbs to get the chick back in the nest. With my logging helmet and a heavy jacket on (for protection in case mama decided to go after me) I'm sure it must have been a ludicrous sight.

    While I can think of worse ways to die than some damn fool expedition to replace a hawk chick I figured that my kids would like to have me around a bit longer, and given that they and my wife were all footing the ladder it wouldn't have done to plummet off the thing. So, discretion prevailed over valor and I pulled the plug on the endeavor. I have a reputation for being a madman climber, so if I felt like it was sketchy, trust me, it was really sketchy.

    We brought the chick home and set up a heat lamp and a nest box, so we'll see how they do. Raptors are easy to feed, at least; just tweezer raw meat like mama would.

    I thought the best plan would be to raise it and see how hawking goes. I had a name picked out and everything...Stephen Hawking. MY wife seems to think we should take it to some wildlife rehabilitator, which is undoubtedly the correct, if decidedly less cool choice.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Wildlife rescue operations love raptors; they make the greatest displays for donors. They might send a limo to pick it up.

    Please do not delay. Hawks are awesome and wildlife rescue is the nicest bunch of old ladies you will ever meet. They will probably offer you personal custom tours in perpetuity for you and your kids.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Well, we did hand Stephen Hawking off to a wildlife rehab guy last night. It wasn't a large rehab organization, just an individual. We found him through the DEC, and one can apparently get certified through them for the purpose, which is now on my wife's list of life goals. Right now he has 5 kestrals and a turkey vulture going. He said the chick looked to be in great shape, which is just incredible given the fall it took.

    As you say, he was an incredibly nice older gentleman, who was pleasantly surprised when we actually proved competent enough to have correctly identified the hawk chick as in fact a hawk chick. He told us a few stories, like the time some knucklehead swore up and down that he had a red tail hawk chick when in fact it was a grouse.

    By the way, I'm nearly done with Upstate Cauldron which is a really entertaining book. I've enjoyed it a lot, so thanks for passing the recommendation on. I knew something about some of the subject matter, but its really something to have it laid out in a comprehensive treatment. I also appreciate the author's approach which is delivered from neither a standpoint of committed skepticism or credulity. Just the facts, in all their multifaceted weirdness, makes for more interesting reading in this case than a partisan skew one way or another.

  661. Just finished Jan Assman’s The Price of Monotheism, here’s a summary:

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @A123
    @sher singh


    Just finished Jan Assman’s The Price of Monotheism, here’s a summary
     
    There is a problem with the summary:

    Early America (1,700-1,800) was monotheistic and had some of the strongest weapons rights for citizens on the planet -- The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
    ___

    Jump ahead in time:

    Leftoids pursuing SJW folly turn their backs on monotheism and worship a bevy of east coast fake news propagandists and west coast entertainers. These pantheists (∆) are a direct threat to both Judeo-Christian monotheism and the Right to Bear Arms.

    Monotheistic MAGA Populists recently scored a huge win defending the 2nd Amendment. (1)


    On Thursday, the court issued its first major ruling on the Second Amendment in over a decade, striking down a New York gun regulation and holding that the right to bear arms extends outside the home. Fourteen years earlier, the court’s modern jurisprudence on guns began with the decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, striking down a D.C. gun regulation and holding that the Constitution protects an individual right to keep guns inside the home. This week, we highlight cert petitions that ask the court to consider, among other things, whether a post-Heller regulation that prevents anyone in the District of Columbia with a “propensity for violence or instability” from obtaining a license to carry a gun is unconstitutionally vague.
     
    Trump's SCOTUS appointees delivered on this front, and there is good reason to believe more will follow. No doubt the deranged #NeverTrump fringe posters here are seething with anger over Trump's display of highly successful executive leadership and service to the God.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/another-gun-case-waits-in-the-wings/

    (∆) While I use pantheism for the effective deification of media stars, I realize they are not proper gods. If you would like to suggest a better term, separate from both pantheism and monotheism, I am open to the idea.

    Replies: @sher singh

  662. AP says:
    @Barbarossa
    @AP

    On a different tangent...

    I was at a potluck this weekend and one of the other dads is a doctor who also does teaching with residencies from the local medical school. He made the remark that medical students are getting more annoying by the year, and when inquired further, he said that diversity hires are really driving the quality of students down. It's not just racial box checking anymore but selecting for all "under-represented minority" groups. He said he's getting a little worried that some of these are going to be his doctor at some point in the future...

    Have you seen any of that on your end, or are you somewhat insulated at this point?

    I think that this avoidance for selecting for competence will go a long way in the end to turning the normies off to woke liberalism eventually, but a lot of damage will be done in the meantime. The diversity hire will also be a hard to extricate fixture in academia since the phenomenon can be interpreted as an assurance of loyalty to the system which put them in place. Diversity hires will be very resistant to any reform because they fully understand where their bread is buttered.

    Replies: @AP

    Have you seen any of that on your end, or are you somewhat insulated at this point?

    Might be true of getting into med school, but not at the level of practice.

    The boards weed out people who aren’t smart, so the ones working are actually smart, from my experience. The ones who are black are mostly from elite African backgrounds.

    Some states are relaxing standards for bar exams (future lawyers), which basically punishes clients who could previously count on a certain level of competence when they need representation. This isn’t the case (yet) in medicine, standards remain high.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @AP


    but not at the level of practice
     
    That is reassuring, at least for the time being. He did say that it was also a disservice to the prospective medical students, since he could spot the ones who would fail from day one. Even the ones who are on a majority taxpayer ride get a lot of time and effort wasted and in many cases a substantial sum or their own money too. He must have been alluding to the fact that they get weeded out in the end, though he did seem apprehensive about standards in the future. Next time I see him I'll have to ask if he is seeing policy changes coming down the pike.

    He did mention that it's not just racial either, but also female and queer students getting the affirmative action treatment.
  663. @AP
    @Sean


    I do not think Russia will offer more than it did before the war (2019),
     
    Putin demanded full neutrality/no membership in any blocs (which would have meant no EU), demilitarization, regime change/deNazification (which would have included purging of nationalism from schools, some kind of monitoring regime to prevent "Nazism" reappearance, etc.) , recognition of loss of Crimea and all Donbas territories. In other words, Belarussianization with (at first) the Eurasian Customs Union.

    To get all of that, Putin will have to conquer all or most of Ukraine and to either occupy it or to successfully destroy it so thoroughly that 30 million people or so will be driven from those lands. How realistic do you think that is?

    Otherwise, any peace deal would include no interference with EU integration, no "deNazification", no demilitarization. NATO membership depends on NATO and it is unlikely that NATO will agree to it. Other details such as territorial ones would depend on how far Russia gets before the Russians or Ukrainians run out of men and equipment. We do not appear to be close to that point yet, and I have no idea when that will come. Probably not for several months at least. Until then, expect slow Russian gains of a few km per day in small parts of a thousand mile front, either in perpetuity until the Ukrainians collapse or until the Russians lose so much men and equipment that Ukraine claws back some land until they run out of gas.

    A very sad, bloody, stupid situation entirely of Russia's choosing.

    I disagree with Aether that there would be significant partisan fighting on Russian-controlled territory. Russia seems to be slowly destroying and killing everything in its path, the pro-Ukrainians all flee, leaving behind perhaps 5% to 10% of the original population, most of whom didn't flee because they are the small pro-Russian minority in those lands (or are too old to flee). Those guys won't be resisting. So Severodonetsk once had 100,000 people, now it is down to 7,000-10,000. Russians can make movies of some of the welcoming Russian forces and lie to themselves that this small number who self-selected to wait until the Russians come, represents the wishes of the people of Donbas to be liberated.

    I doubt there would be much colonization from Russia, Russia itself is losing population and who would want to move to a bombed out territory full of mines and unexploded munitions, perhaps Russia could get Tajiks to settle there. This strategy of mass destruction can work in limited areas such as Donbas but in a country the size of France? Russia does not have enough weapons and ammo to obliterate such a huge territory, the question is how much they can destroy and how far they can get, and if/how much Ukraine can recover.

    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.

    Replies: @216, @A123, @Sean

    We know the deal that Putin offered in 2019 (and Azov aided by Poroshenko forced Zelensky to back out of). What deal Putin eventually agrees to in order to end this war remains to be seen. I maintain it will not be better in any way than what Germany, France and Zelensky thought reasonably acceptable in 2019. And had the 2019 deal been kept to then none of this would have happened.

    Long-term prospects in a post settlement Ukraine will be worse for the average Ukrainian than they would have been if the 2019 deal had been accepted by Zelensky. The country will be no bigger. Some already wealthy people will be better off with all the money coming in for reconstruction, and Kiev will boom, but the ordinary people will wonder what it was all for. As well they might.

  664. @LatW
    @Beckow


    We don’t know anyone’s motivation, we can only guess.
     
    We can guess with some probability. Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it. You know they'll do it, the question is just when. On the other hand, Russia also can be quiet about its goals and only uncover them vaguely. Just re-read the ultimatum. You know what that one Jewish lady used to say about Hitler - if somebody says they want to kill you, believe them, they probably mean it.


    there is as much likelihood that Nato was planning to turn Ukraine into a large military base threatening Russia .
     
    This is, of course, within the realm of possibility, but in general NATO likes to be open where it can be. They simply like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible. The US government makes small, targeted political and financial investments, and prefers that the locals do the heavy lifting. This is a reasonable approach. They have so far tried to work that way and only in this coming summit will they make significant changes.

    As to a large military base, NATO didn't create that even in the Baltic States or Romania, not even Poland. For 15 years. Much less in Ukraine. Ukraine was trying to build its own military industrial complex, and successfully enough that Russia thought it a risk. Rightfully so, if the reports about Neptune hitting targets in the Black Sea are correct.

    as there is that Russia wanted to re-absorb all of Ukraine. Maybe, but we really have no way of knowing
     
    Not necessarily absorb, but dominate, impose its will. Possibly carve up. All those things are scandalous and bad enough, especially given how it's done (through mass murder of innocents).

    But that is not what happened in eastern-southern Ukraine: Russians (and others) have lived there since late 18th century, it is their home with their own language, culture, preferences for allies (unsurprisingly Mother Russia). They also didn’t boss anyone around, they won a few elections, lost some, they never demanded that the Ukrainian language be banned.
     
    There is an argument there to be made in their advantage (even though Ukrainians lived there too and Ukrainians were forcefully russified). Certainly, Westernization shouldn't be forced on that population. They are very different, I know that culture, it was present until very recently in some Riga suburbs. They even dress differently. Ideally, they should be left alone.

    However, once there is an armed rebellion, especially one instigated from across the border, all those things go out of the window. When people are jumping from burning buildings, it is already way too late.

    Was that worth it? The dream of Nato bases that you refuse to address?
     
    Beckow, I honestly and wholeheartedly believe this was NOT primarily about NATO bases. First, they would not be NATO bases but Ukrainian ones (unless they were a member), even in the Baltic States all those bases are OUR OWN BASES that WE built. Yes, with help from the British & Americans, but they were there already before and they're maintained by us. Some are from the 1930s (or before). Second, as I said before, NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it's not just NATO per se, but Ukraine's Western orientation that Russia objects to.

    And the definition of the Ukrainian culture as distinct from Russian (NOT "one people" as in the official Russian ideological documents) as well as Ukrainian freedom to govern themselves within their own unified state (Соборна Україна).

    This is the Ukrainian War of Independence.

    Let's say there was no NATO, but some kind of a Central European Commonwealth that Ukraine wanted to join. Without America. This would not be ok for Russia. Especially, if it is followed by the erasure of "the Russian world" and an ideology that is not congruent with the Russian version of the Victory narrative. Some Russian politician compared this to a weapon of mass destruction - very accurate, it is truly just as devastating because all the Russian speaking children would be assimilated into the Ukrainian culture. This is why the Russians are so savage yet diligent now about planting Soviet flags in the occupied territories and about throwing out Ukrainian curricula. That's how big this is. The erasure of the Russian speaking culture as laid out, formulated and dominated by Russia is not acceptable to Russia. This is the number one reason that trumps even NATO. It being combined with NATO just makes it worse in Russia's eyes.

    It takes time, but Kiev could have – and most likely would have – slowly scaled back Donbas autonomy. You can always buy the local politicians. You insistence that it was’t possible is disingenuous – of course Kiev would be in a position to it.
     
    No, no, no, please, do not blank out on me again. I didn't insist it was impossible. I specifically said it could have been done, just that Ukraine was not even given an honest chance. Ukraine would have to rule there, not the militias. The Russian public would not accept that and would put pressure on the Kremlin to not allow that.

    Hypothetically, with time integration could've been possible (even based on bilingualism, most of them are already bilingual anyway), of course, the question is, should it be done, why force it on those who don't want it?

    Replies: @Beckow

    Let’s look at your selective a careful language:

    Nato like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible.

    Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it.

    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because “Nato likes to have access to real estate”. But Russia threatens and worse.

    Your language betrays you. You are incapable of thinking about it in an objective and even-handed way. That’s fine, you prefer your own, or maybe have a strong opinion about Russian perfidy. But then you need to accept that there are no rules and whomever is stronger in any region gets his way.

    It was Nato – with the people like you probably concurring – who destroyed the rules-based-world. They said ‘we can, but you can’t’. Well, Russia is attempting to prove them wrong. The root of the problem is that Nato (or the West) stopped behaving based on the rules they themselves created and preached.

    It is sad that Ukraine got caught in the middle. But they know where they live and should know that messing with a larger and powerful neighbor is risky. You cannot get over the fact that “Russia did it, they invaded” – but in retrospect it is not surprising.

    NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it’s not just NATO per se, but Ukraine’s Western orientation that Russia objects to.

    There is no way you can separate the two. Ideally, Ukraine after Maidan had gone out of its way to treat its Russian minority super-fairly, with no banning of the Russian language, offering a compromise and friendship. And never even mention Nato. Talk about Europe, friendship, being a “bridge”, etc… They could had lied or pretended. It would almost certainly work better – Russia was not itching to get involved and in any case the ‘reasons’ wouldn’t be there: no burnt Russians in Odessa, no shelling of Donbas, no banning of Russian language, no threats, no Nato exercises and plans for bases. Just Europe and “we are all friends”.

    They could have done that, but they didn’t. They went to the other extreme and it didn’t work – now they are losing a war, lots of territory, have permanent hostilities, and almost certainly no EU or Nato. That’s what happens when you are ruled by emotional poseurs and not by rational people. Or when you have no agency and others – like Nato – are telling you what to do.

    Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake – no way to avoid looking in the mirror. And the West is furious that Russia dared to act the way West has acted. Now, let’s have a drink, relax and see who will be the winner.

    • Agree: Wielgus, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because “Nato likes to have access to real estate”. But Russia threatens and worse.
     
    I should've qualified this. I didn't say that NATO does not use force, but that this is NATO's approach vis a vis Eastern European countries (such as ours and what would also be the approach towards Ukraine under normal circumstances in a hypothetical scenario of a MAP). It happened so historically that during that period of time (after 1991) NATO became more of a "political" alliance, countries simply disarmed and didn't see the motivation to re-build the armaments (until recently). So for 15 years essentially (until 2014) there haven't been any significant buildups. Had the same scenario been repeated with Ukraine, it would also most likely be just small training operations. Ukraine had (still has) its own arms industry, its own air defense, a huge army, experience in live action, in fact more than what many NATO countries have. It's totally possible (and most likely true, as we see right now) that even this minimal level of communication was not acceptable for Russia (because rightly so -- we don't know where it could lead in 10-20 years). You yourself have stated over and over that Russia has an overwhelming advantage in that region.



    As to the current situation, it's not NATO as a bloc that's helping Ukraine, but separate countries, both individually and in various formats. Simultaneously, one can also argue that Ukraine is now a de facto NATO country because it's receiving unprecedented help from those countries (most are in NATO). Everything but the troops. One can even argue that this is what Article 5 may have looked like in action (Article 5 is very vague). Because the help is substantial. It looks like the US has made a long term commitment, and even though the Lend Lease has not yet kicked in (it's a very slow process), it's a very serious commitment (nothing of this sort has been done since WW2).

    Talk about Europe, friendship, being a “bridge”, etc… They could had lied or pretended. [..] Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake
     
    I'm starting to think that it's not so much miscalculation as they simply can't be any different. Nobody can just give up their identity or lie it away like you're suggesting above. One can be more careful with their language, try to be more diplomatic, but why force people to be together if they don't want to be? Some senile politician can keep repeating that "we are one people" because that matches his ideological impulses and devious imperialistic objectives, but it doesn't change the objective differences in world views between these two peoples. A whole new generation has grown up, these young people don't want to live like Putin and Patrushev envision.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    I'd add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era - and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street. This was the era when Russia was capitalism's Wild East, when every oligarch had their private enforcers, when the US was secretly sending advisers to Yeltsin's election campaigns.

    https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1996/1101960715_400.jpg

    Though the gangster element has declined, the oligarch era has never really ended, only moderated under Putin, in that the oligarchs are no longer allowed to do things which are perceived by government as against Russian national interests. Putin was the oligarch's choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    Here's Boris Berezovsky talking to that mannish Russian Jewish lesbian, not Anne Applebaum, can't remember her name. She interviewed him in exile about his discussions with Putin:


    “Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated … Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”
     
    An artificial two-party system sums up most of "Western democracy". The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    I digress. Here's a potted history of pro-Western attitudes in post-Soviet Russia, from the piece posted upthread about Russian intellectuals hardening on the war.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/


    For a time, from the fall of the Soviet Union to the mid-1990s, the attitude of most of the Russian intelligentsia to the West was one of blind adulation, and the change from this went through a whole series of stages. The shift began with the decision to expand NATO, generally seen in Russia as a betrayal. Fear of NATO expansion grew with NATO’s attack on Serbia during the Kosovo War. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 was widely seen as proof that the United States wished to impose rules on others that it had no intention of keeping itself.

    A key turning point came with the offer of future NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008, followed by the Georgian attack on Russian positions in South Ossetia, and the West’s misrepresentation of this as a Russian attack on Georgia. Western support for the Ukrainian revolution of 2014, generally seen in Russia as a nationalist coup against an elected president, finally doomed genuine rapprochement between Russian centrist intellectuals and their Western counterparts.

    However, Russian hopes for some form of limited compromise either with America or Europe lingered on for many years. Realists to the core themselves, members of the Russian establishment found it hard to understand why America, faced with intractable problems in the Middle East and the rise of a powerful China, did not seek to reduce tensions with the far less dangerous Russia. Similarly, they were bewildered by what they have seen as a European failure to understand that with Russia as a friend, they would face no military threat on their own continent.

    Three developments in particular kept these hopes alive. First, the French and German brokerage of the “Minsk II” peace agreement over the Donbas in 2015 allowed the Russians to believe in the possibility of an agreement with Paris and Berlin over Ukraine — though this hope faded as the French and Germans did nothing to get Ukraine actually to implement the agreement. Then the election of Donald Trump in 2016 gave hope of a friendlier America, a split between Europe and America, or both. And finally, the Biden administration’s prioritization of China as a threat revived hopes of diminished U.S. hostility to Russia.

    Russian hopes for co-operation with France and Germany could revive if these governments seek a compromise peace in Ukraine — with or without the United States. Failing that, however, Trenin’s article indicates that not just Putin’s inner circle, but much of the wider Russian establishment, will approach the war in Ukraine in a spirit of grim determination, at least until there is a possibility of a peace agreement that meets basic Russian conditions.

     

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump - the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean, @S, @S

  665. sher singh says:

    “The moral of the story is: faggots and lesbians are praying on straight people, and they’re not limited to Christian or atheists”

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  666. AP says:
    @A123
    @AP


    Long-term prospects for Ukraine are not bad. Whatever will be left will integrate with its western neighbors and will achieve prosperity over time, the smaller the territory that is left the quicker this will happen.
     
    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism. Coming to terms with, as you put it "smaller territory" as an end state.

    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port. If it cannot keep one, Ukraine will be land locked, which creates huge economic penalties. It has been noted several times that the most favourable terrain for Russian forces is in the south near the coast. Sadly, Kiev has engaged in senseless aggression against Transnistria. Using the terrain advantage to clear Odessa & connect to Transnistria has to be near the top of Moscow's objective list.

    The smart move for Ukraine would be negotiating an armistice NOW!

    Alas, Zelensky is taking bribes from European WEF Elites to act against the interests of the Ukrainian people. When history looks back on these events, George IslamoSoros & his SJW Globalists in Brussels and Davos will bear the blame for this fiasco. However, that is little comfort to both Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox Christians dying today.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AP

    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism.

    My position from the beginning was that the fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be. Ideally it would be like the February 2022 border although at this point the Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.

    Wherever that border will be – the smaller Ukraine, the easier it will be to integrate with the West and therefore the quicker Ukraine will converge with its western neighbors. But ideally Ukraine would get to its February border or close to it.

    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port.

    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

    In the extremely unlikely event that Russia takes half of Ukraine or more, the railroads through Poland would be sufficient for what would be left of Ukraine to trade with the outside world. There would only be really difficult trade disruptions if Kiev keeps almost all of Ukraine other than the immediate coast.

    Most likely scenario (but I don’t have a hard belief in it) is that Russia slowly takes most of the rest of Donbas before both sides run out of steam after massive casualties. Decent chance Kiev retakes Kherson but won’t be able to cross the Dnipro so Russia retains the land corridor. Also decent chance that Kharkiv gets further devastated (though not taken) as Russia takes more territory in Kharkiv province and the city will no longer be Ukraine’s second largest city, much of it’s businesses and population having moved to Kiev, Dnipro, Odessa or Lviv (this process has already begun).

    Odds of Russia expanding further, beyond Donbas, or of Ukraine pushing back to the February border or beyond are not zero but not high.

    Peace would come with an internationally monitored plebiscite in Russian-controlled territories, removal of some sanctions, Ukraine keeps its army but no formal NATO membership, and moves towards the EU. But Zelensky has made clear that he would not do peace without a referendum and the Ukrainian people are not yet ready to make peace with the invaders whom they hate, for good reason. So it won’t be very soon.

    As I said, short and medium term this is a tragedy but long-term Ukraine is not in a bad position. It is more internally cohsive than ever in its history, it will link with EU, etc.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP

    Actually, you put together a fairly likely scenario. One issue is that the 'medium term' could last a long time, even years. What you left out is what would happen to Nato ambitions in Ukraine. They may not take kindly to become irrelevant, with none or minimal access to the Black sea, no bases, etc...they can keep the war going longer.

    A few possible problems:
    - Russia may not be able to stop - once a military gets going, the logic of 'assuring security' requires ever more buffers, each buffer getting its own buffer, etc...to draw a clean line will be a challenge.
    - Europe cannot lift sanctions if Russia is perceived as a winner:"we cannot reward aggression". That could be a big problem.
    - Rump Ukraine (or small Ukraine as you called it) would be more homogeneous, but also weaker with fewer resources - less interesting for business investment.
    - The "revenge" issues could explode making any settlement impossible. All sides are now grabbing potential 'war criminals', foreign fighters, hostages of all kinds - the craving for retribution is high in Kiev, Donbas, everywhere. Once the first retribution is done, it will escalate everything - revenge will be the cry of the day.


    We could be in a situation when both sides are exhausted but the external factors - and the issues above - will prevent a deal. Historically a highly emotional crisis with people seeking justice in all directions, with anger and pride, lasts about 3 years. This could go on for a while.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Sean
    @AP


    It is more internally cohesive than ever in its history,
     
    That is true.

    ......it will link with EU, etc.
     
    The corollary of linking with the EU will be money coming in andnew infrastructure projects in addition to reconstruction, but also emigration. And immigration, which Ukraine will have no control over; you don't think Ukrainian business are going to stand for rising wages for construction workers, do you?
    , @A123
    @AP


    Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.
     
    Why do Ukies keep repeating this fiction?

    Cherry picked photos show that the area around the Azov Steelworks were flattened. However, the bulk of the city did quite well. Water, sewer, and electricity have been restored to the lion's share of residential dwellings, which were undamaged.

    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

     
    Mykolaiv has been undergoing Nakba (e.g. running away) for some time now. How many people are left? While Kiev's forces could try to stand there, the city is east of the water way. It could easily become pocketed. Having a body of water at one's back is a known defensive mistake that costs many troops.

    Russian forces went out of their way to leave Mariupol and other cities they will keep largely intact. Obtaining Odessa as a functioning city would be quite difficult, which suggests that they have no need for such restraint. The established, successful method for such encounters involve rolling artillery barrages that will flatten the city. If it is dry enough, out of control fires are a bonus driving defenders from the ruins.

    fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be.
     
    Will Ukraine become exhausted early enough to save Odessa? Given Zelensky's corruption... Signs point to "No".

    Negotiation is clearly the best option, but Zelensky is not agreement capable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  667. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Sean

    The Ukrainians knew that the Russians had little support in Ukraine. What they didn't know is that the Russians believed their own retarded propaganda and thought they actually had a lot of support.

    Basically, the Ukrainians didn't realise how inept the Russian government is.

    Had they realised, or had liberal Zelenskyy not won, and more right wing Poroshenko remained in charge, they would have armed every civillian as soon as Russia started their military build up. Therefore quite possibly ending the war before it began.

    What to do? Modern Europeans like to think the best of people. We like to dream of peace and freedom. We do not easily understand how completely incompetent tinpot governments like Russia's are. Nor do we quickly believe that they will follow through on their pointless murderousness.

    But, at least, we eventually learn. And then, we win. Ukrainians will secure their freedom. Russia will be defeated. As I said, the only question is when. I have given the reasons in a sober and measured manner elsewhere.

    Replies: @Sean

    The Ukrainians knew that the Russians had little support in Ukraine

    You don’t need ANY support in a country to invade it, and no mobilisation of Ukraine would deter Russiams from invading, Russia is too big and strong for Ukraine to frustrate by zig zagging between agreements and military bravado as Poroshenko did. That is why Zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the low level conflict in Donbass, but for domestic political reasons (Poroshenko and Azov) he didn’t.

    Basically, the Ukrainians didn’t realise how inept the Russian government is

    Russia is not the one who has been invaded, it never was going to be the one. The Ukrainian government of Zelensky were convinced Putin was bluffing right up until a week before the invasion, despite the US telling them the invasion orders had already been issued.

    The ordinary electorate of Ukraine understood all these things, but Zelensky and his associates could not get out of a domestic politics mindset, at least to a sufficient extent. The war was due to his inexperience; he did not understand the primacy of foreign policy.

  668. @Yellowface Anon
    @Here Be Dragon

    Of the 30T of US national debt the Feds hold $11.4T, $3.5T to mutual funds, 1.5T to banks, 1.3T each to states and pensions, then 1.3T to Japan and 1.1T to China. In other words, a default and debt write-off would be a clusterf*ck.

    A reminder that US national debt more than doubled during WWII. That is not the way to deflate the debt, but to consolidate all the domestic productive capacities due to the inevitable trade breakdowns. Rather I would see either party declaring regime change to wipe out all the previous debt, as with all the revolutions, or maybe century-long austerity.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    defaulting on the debt and a “century long austerity” are the same thing. If/when the US defaults, it will never be able to cheaply finance it’s mega deficits again.

  669. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    You're lost in a fantasy and it is pointless discussing this with you. The only thing I will point out is that Chechnya and Crimea are very different from Ukraine in general.

    Crimea was demographically colonised by ethnic Russians long ago. It really has been an integral part of Russia for a long time, even if Russia recognised it as sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Meanwhile, Chechnya was a tiny population. Grozny had about 1/15 of the people of Kyiv. And Russia only succeeds in controlling them by effectively paying them tribute. It also allows other parts of Russia to be colonised by them, given their higher birth rate.

    In serving as both a tribute-giving vassal to Chechnya despite its tiny population, and making Russia Lebensraum for Chechnya, Russia has created a reliable source of torturers for itself.

    Obviously, this is not replicable with Ukraine, nor is it even desirable in the case of Chechnya. The only Russians who benefit anyway are Putin's coterie, who get a small group of savage soldiers, who are loyal only to the regime, as long as they continue to expend tremendous amounts of Russian treasure and land to pay them off.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Crimea was demographically colonised by ethnic Russians long ago. It really has been an integral part of Russia for a long time

    Why is it then constantly referred to as Russian aggression? Kiev has not recognized it. Something doesn’t add up here…

    …Russia only succeeds in controlling them by effectively paying them tribute

    You can say that about almost any aid receiving group: Ukraine, Poland, blacks in US…nothing unusual, it is done all over the world. Chechens are less than 1% of Russia’s population – to colonise Russia they will have to work a bit harder…maybe another horrible scenario you invented that won’t happen?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Why is it then constantly referred to as Russian aggression? Kiev has not recognized it. Something doesn’t add up here…
     
    Because it was sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Are you playing stupid or actually really are this stupid?

    You can say that about almost any aid receiving group: Ukraine, Poland, blacks in US…nothing unusual, it is done all over the world.
     
    No, you can't as those other groups don't have their own governments to which the tribute is paid, their own formal militias, their own formal territory and so much legal independence that they formally go around murdering homosexuals as part of their own governmental process. See my question above.

    Replies: @Beckow

  670. @AP
    @A123


    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism.
     
    My position from the beginning was that the fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be. Ideally it would be like the February 2022 border although at this point the Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.

    Wherever that border will be - the smaller Ukraine, the easier it will be to integrate with the West and therefore the quicker Ukraine will converge with its western neighbors. But ideally Ukraine would get to its February border or close to it.


    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port.
     
    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

    In the extremely unlikely event that Russia takes half of Ukraine or more, the railroads through Poland would be sufficient for what would be left of Ukraine to trade with the outside world. There would only be really difficult trade disruptions if Kiev keeps almost all of Ukraine other than the immediate coast.

    Most likely scenario (but I don't have a hard belief in it) is that Russia slowly takes most of the rest of Donbas before both sides run out of steam after massive casualties. Decent chance Kiev retakes Kherson but won't be able to cross the Dnipro so Russia retains the land corridor. Also decent chance that Kharkiv gets further devastated (though not taken) as Russia takes more territory in Kharkiv province and the city will no longer be Ukraine's second largest city, much of it's businesses and population having moved to Kiev, Dnipro, Odessa or Lviv (this process has already begun).

    Odds of Russia expanding further, beyond Donbas, or of Ukraine pushing back to the February border or beyond are not zero but not high.

    Peace would come with an internationally monitored plebiscite in Russian-controlled territories, removal of some sanctions, Ukraine keeps its army but no formal NATO membership, and moves towards the EU. But Zelensky has made clear that he would not do peace without a referendum and the Ukrainian people are not yet ready to make peace with the invaders whom they hate, for good reason. So it won't be very soon.

    As I said, short and medium term this is a tragedy but long-term Ukraine is not in a bad position. It is more internally cohsive than ever in its history, it will link with EU, etc.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @A123

    Actually, you put together a fairly likely scenario. One issue is that the ‘medium term’ could last a long time, even years. What you left out is what would happen to Nato ambitions in Ukraine. They may not take kindly to become irrelevant, with none or minimal access to the Black sea, no bases, etc…they can keep the war going longer.

    A few possible problems:
    – Russia may not be able to stop – once a military gets going, the logic of ‘assuring security’ requires ever more buffers, each buffer getting its own buffer, etc…to draw a clean line will be a challenge.
    – Europe cannot lift sanctions if Russia is perceived as a winner:”we cannot reward aggression“. That could be a big problem.
    – Rump Ukraine (or small Ukraine as you called it) would be more homogeneous, but also weaker with fewer resources – less interesting for business investment.
    – The “revenge” issues could explode making any settlement impossible. All sides are now grabbing potential ‘war criminals’, foreign fighters, hostages of all kinds – the craving for retribution is high in Kiev, Donbas, everywhere. Once the first retribution is done, it will escalate everything – revenge will be the cry of the day.

    We could be in a situation when both sides are exhausted but the external factors – and the issues above – will prevent a deal. Historically a highly emotional crisis with people seeking justice in all directions, with anger and pride, lasts about 3 years. This could go on for a while.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    – Rump Ukraine (or small Ukraine as you called it) would be more homogeneous, but also weaker with fewer resources – less interesting for business investment.
     
    It would still have large shale gas deposits in the Carpathians (there are some gas wells there too), They have recently discovered large lithium deposits in Ukraine, many are in the center-west:

    https://www.renewablematter.eu/assets/Uploads/Mappa-giacimenti-di-litio-in-Ucraina2.jpg

    Some of Ukraine's rich agricultural lands extend to western Ukraine:

    https://ipad.fas.usda.gov/rssiws/al/crop_production_maps/Ukraine/Ukraine_wheat.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

  671. @AP
    @A123


    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism.
     
    My position from the beginning was that the fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be. Ideally it would be like the February 2022 border although at this point the Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.

    Wherever that border will be - the smaller Ukraine, the easier it will be to integrate with the West and therefore the quicker Ukraine will converge with its western neighbors. But ideally Ukraine would get to its February border or close to it.


    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port.
     
    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

    In the extremely unlikely event that Russia takes half of Ukraine or more, the railroads through Poland would be sufficient for what would be left of Ukraine to trade with the outside world. There would only be really difficult trade disruptions if Kiev keeps almost all of Ukraine other than the immediate coast.

    Most likely scenario (but I don't have a hard belief in it) is that Russia slowly takes most of the rest of Donbas before both sides run out of steam after massive casualties. Decent chance Kiev retakes Kherson but won't be able to cross the Dnipro so Russia retains the land corridor. Also decent chance that Kharkiv gets further devastated (though not taken) as Russia takes more territory in Kharkiv province and the city will no longer be Ukraine's second largest city, much of it's businesses and population having moved to Kiev, Dnipro, Odessa or Lviv (this process has already begun).

    Odds of Russia expanding further, beyond Donbas, or of Ukraine pushing back to the February border or beyond are not zero but not high.

    Peace would come with an internationally monitored plebiscite in Russian-controlled territories, removal of some sanctions, Ukraine keeps its army but no formal NATO membership, and moves towards the EU. But Zelensky has made clear that he would not do peace without a referendum and the Ukrainian people are not yet ready to make peace with the invaders whom they hate, for good reason. So it won't be very soon.

    As I said, short and medium term this is a tragedy but long-term Ukraine is not in a bad position. It is more internally cohsive than ever in its history, it will link with EU, etc.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @A123

    It is more internally cohesive than ever in its history,

    That is true.

    ……it will link with EU, etc.

    The corollary of linking with the EU will be money coming in andnew infrastructure projects in addition to reconstruction, but also emigration. And immigration, which Ukraine will have no control over; you don’t think Ukrainian business are going to stand for rising wages for construction workers, do you?

  672. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon

    Dumb Sharikov is forced to agree with me but copes by using the word "idiot" that he has learned. Very cute.


    "Because each country has its own norms one cannot directly compare results of a test such as the WAIS across the different countries. Only an idiot would assume otherwise."

    Correct, sweetheart. You are an idiot
     
    Nice cope.

    This is why serious researchers rather than dumb Sharikovs like you, value the Ravens test. It is nonverbal and the same items are used in different countries. So Russians would take the identical test that British people take and their average British IQ score would be calculated.

    That’s right, idiot.

    For this reason a test, no matter which, is calibrated with a reference to either the British mean score, or the US mean score, or the OECD countries mean score, like the PISA test.

    And serious researchers, idiot, value the PISA test, because it’s the most comprehensive one
     
    No less than the Raven's. The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    As a reminder, Russians do worse on the PISA than do white Americans. You stopped talking about that.

    For that – in the US, where the universities are commercial enterprises, depending on the tuition fees – perhaps so, the pool of people capable of financing such an education is small.
     
    On the contrary, due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in if they were not weeded out by the examinations. And furthermore there are examination necessary to be allowed to practice.

    You are not in a position to estimate someone else’s intelligence
     
    Sharikov has an opinion. Very cute.

    The Wechsler has different items depending on country. One can’t calculate a British IQ using a non-British version of the Wechsler because the items will be different, at least on the verbal parts.

    A translation is used
     
    Nonsense. The verbal parts of the Wechsler test are not directly translated. The trivia parts that ask about historical events are different because each country has different historical events.

    The score is set to be as 100 at the mean Greenwich IQ and then it’s measured against that reference point, no matter where the test is taken
     
    Also nonsense. Each country has its own 100, they are not all calibrated to the British 100.

    Sharikov fails to think, again.

    The American version was normed on a sample in the United States:

    https://www.mentalhelp.net/psychological-testing/wechsler-adult-intelligence-scale/

    The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90.

    UK edition, Canadian edition, etc. underwent their own standardizations in those countries, so that the average IQ in the UK on the UK version is 100, it is 100 in the USA on the American version, and so on.

    Canada sample for Canada's norms:

    https://eric.ed.gov/?id=EJ782127

    "This study evaluated the concurrent validity of estimated Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scales-Third Edition (WAIS-III) index scores using various one- and two-subtest combinations. Participants were the Canadian WAIS-III standardization sample"

    Even the Canadian and Americans norms are rather different:

    https://academic.oup.com/acn/article/29/8/737/2726816

    "Employing the Canadian normative system yielded IQ, Index, and subtest scores that were systematically lower than those obtained using the American norms. Furthermore, the percentage agreement in normative classifications, defined as American and Canadian index scores within five points or within the same classification range, was between 49% and 76%. Substantial differences are present between the American and Canadian WAIS-IV norms."

    Canadians on average are smarter than Americans (because American norms are based on a sample that includes African Americans) so the norms are different: the same number of correct answers produces a lower IQ score on the Canadian version. But within both Canada and the USA, the averages are both 100.

    Do you understand now, Sharikov? Or must I repeat it again for you?

    The German version, the Hamburg Wechsler Intelligence Test for Adults (HAWIE), was published by Hardesty and Lauber (1956) immediately after the publication of the WAIS. The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.

    Understand it, stupid
     
    Sharikov can post but Sharikov can't understand.

    The task material and structure are the same, but actual items are not. Germans are not being asked questions about American historical figures on their version of the Wechsler test, like Americans are. Moreover the norms are different. The German WAIS is based on a German standardization sample.

    As I wrote before, the Ravens' unlike the Wechsler actually has completely identical items wherever it is administered, so one can make direct comparisons across countries. That's why serious researchers use it while Sharikov dismisses it.

    Understand it now? Or still too dumb?


    You are the product of a grotesque experiment, it is questionable whether it was right for your Sovok ancestors to have even been taught to read beyond a rudimentary level. It is fake, gross and misapplied.

    You are trying to insult people who were probably a lot more noble than your ancestors. My grandfathers were colonels,
     
    You are not ashamed to admit to be descended from Sovok colonels. LOL.

    Was that the excrement that ended up in Ukraine?

    No wonder healthy Ukrainian peasants looked upon you with aversion, as one looks upon a drunk's vomit.

    and my grandmother’s family were medical doctors, going back for a few generations.
     
    And who were they before the Revolution? Your one grandmother isn't enough to redeem you.

    "You have admitted that you elicit conflict in various places you have been. We are not rude, you are one who deserves and draws out rudeness from polite people."

    You began insulting me as soon as you heard that my sympathies were with the USSR
     
    I saw you for the grotesque mockery of a human that you are. Right away. Love of the putrid USSR was a good sign. Like all those other people you encountered and who you admitted disliked you. It's not us, it's you.

    It's natural for a Sharikov such as you to have sympathy for the USSR, just as it is natural for you to support the murder of children in Ukraine now. It's the same corrupt morality.

    And your stupidity is also quite natural.

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    How can you force me to do anything, and when was it that you forced me to agree with you?

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    The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    Comprehensive means of large content or scope; wide-ranging. Therefore it’s more comprehensive.

    Russians do worse on the PISA than do white Americans. You stopped talking about that.

    Hasn’t that been the topic of the last week and haven’t we closed it agreeing that the score of ethnic Russians should have been 101.4 at the time of that test. You are confusing me.

    Due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in.

    A person with low income wouldn’t be able to get a loan. So a large pool of people are not able to get in, no matter what the examinations. Your failure to understand that is showing again that you are living in a bubblehead world.

    Your life experience is poor.

    The verbal parts of the Wechsler test are not directly translated. The trivia parts that ask about historical events are different because each country has different historical events.

    Haven’t you read the citation?

    “The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.”

    You think it’s nonsense, idiot – that’s a citation.

    Each country has its own 100, they are not all calibrated to the British 100. Sharikov fails to think, again. The American version was normed on a sample in the United States.

    You are now going to repeat after me? Monkey see, monkey do. That fits you. As your initials do, apey. That’s awesome.

    Except that it doesn’t work like that.

    Look, let’s take a break for a second – listen to me.

    A test, no matter which one, has to be set up once, calibrated for a point of reference that is called Greenwich – not as a reference to a location, but as a metaphor, like the Greenwich meridian, which is used to measure time zones.

    So it’s here, for a specific test there is a chosen Greenwich IQ. For the PISA it’s the OECD mean score, for the WAIS it’s the US and Canada mean. Yes there are two coefficient variants, for Canada and for the US.

    Have never heard about that.

    You first link is reading, “The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range.”

    Your second link, that you think refers to some different norms is an evaluation, to make sure that the current calibration is still valid, because it can change over time.

    Your third article is explaining that the version calibrated for Canada produces lower scores, and since this test is used in medicine and both countries are more or less a common space, cultural and otherwise, it raises a number of problems.

    “The authors noted that clinicians evaluating patients with acquired cognitive deficits might conclude that a person has a greater degree of cognitive impairment when using the Canadian norms compared with the American norms.”

    This is not how that test is used in other countries.

    The international standard is the US test, and it’s the same for all, and it’s in English. There are some translated versions, to me the German one is familiar, it’s translated from English and it uses the US calibration. The same questions, the same scores.

    And no, there are no questions about historical events.

    So what it means is that for measuring intelligence in various countries for a comparison, one standard, so called Greenwich IQ, has to be used. You have seen from that last article how complicated that process of calibration is.

    That would make it impossible to estimate the difference between various countries, if there was a separate set of norms for each.

    For the same reason the PISA test uses one set of norms, calibrated for the OECD countries mean score in sum total, and not counted for each country independently – that wouldn’t make sense, and would make things a lot more cumbersome.

    And since the PISA test is based on the school mathematics and science, whatever is implied here, and reading, it’s a lot more comprehensive and reliable, than the Progressive Matrices. However it doesn’t fit for adults. The adults forget.

    The task material and structure are the same, but actual items are not. Germans are not being asked questions about American historical figures on their version of the Wechsler test, like Americans are.

    The task material is the items. There are no questions about historical figures, the test is not meant for examination of knowledge, but meant to determine comprehension and reasoning abilities. You have never taken this test.

    Trust me, there’s nothing like that.

    And serious researchers are not serious, if a limited to logic Matrices test is in their opinion enough to estimate someone’s intelligence. As a matter of fact, neither is the PISA, nor is the WAIS test sufficient to estimate people’s intelligence.

    But the latter two are better.

    You are not ashamed to admit to be descended from Sovok colonels. No wonder healthy Ukrainian peasants looked upon you with aversion, as one looks upon a drunk’s vomit.

    You are showing here emotional mutilation of such magnitude, that it makes me regret having started this exchange of opinions. You are the kind of person that could get a good slap from me, and there have been few people, that made me do it.

    Me be a pacifist.

    You have not lived in Ukraine, have no idea who the Ukrainian people are, would not have been at home over there, would have been an alien there – it’s pointless. You are not a Ukrainian. You don’t know what you are talking about.

    And likewise, you have never lived in the Soviet Union, and all these bitter feelings are not from an experience of living there. You are expressing your own, internal, not connected to any of this, emotions. And you are not a happy man.

    These stories you are telling, how you are so fortunate, and your wife is great, and your life is wonderful – are bullshit. You are lying to yourself. You are sitting here, most of the time, and you probably haven’t spoken to your beautiful wife in weeks.

    Your life is not a happy man’s life.

    You are a bitter, boring, ignorant and insolent prick.

    And who were they before the Revolution? Your one grandmother isn’t enough to redeem you.

    For the record, it isn’t important, not for me. My grandparents are grandparents, they are not me. My life isn’t their life, or a continuation of it. My personal preferences are different, and the things of interest to me are very different from theirs.

    My grandmother entered a university before the war, she had to pause the studies and worked as a nurse near the front lines, and then, after the war, she continued and finished the studies. Her father, and his father, were doctors. Her sister was a doctor as well. Her nephew is a doctor.

    Their family was Hebrew.

    She met my grandfather at the war. He was a Russian, she was born in Ukraine. She had a house, and after the war they moved there, and that’s where my mother was born. That house is still standing there, but it doesn’t belong to y family anymore.

    They gave it up – to the state, in exchange for a new apartment. They could have kept it, but she didn’t want to. She was strange like that.

    Her husband, my grandfather, was a hard and strict person. He ended up becoming a director, that’s like the main manager or something, of one of the biggest factories in the region, and wasn’t making much. Had a personal driver though.

    My other grandfather was a kind, intelligent and charming person. He was a Ukrainian-born Romanian. The Air Forces colonel, at the end of his career. His wife, my second grandmother, was a Russian from Siberia.

    Her family was a special case.

    Her father was an officer, who came to arrest her grandfather who was a farmer, and instead of arresting him he fell in love with his daughter. Her mother had a talent, a gift, she could see things, like the future, sometimes, and she knew he was coming.

    That’s how the lives were going. People can’t choose a homeland, or control the politics. One does what he can, making the best of the situation. My grandparents were honest, never stole anything, there’s nothing to be ashamed of. They were not bad people.

    And these ideas of yours, about everything being corrupt, and evil, are your own demons in your own head, having nothing to do with the reality. They are your hallucinations.

    You are a sick person.

    And a fool.

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    @Here Be Dragon


    The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    Comprehensive means of large content or scope; wide-ranging. Therefore it’s more comprehensive.
     

    In terms of intelligence it is limited to what on the WAIS is covered by the verbal components.

    Just as the Raven's is limited to the what is covered by the nonverbal portions of the WAIS.


    Hasn’t that been the topic of the last week and haven’t we closed it agreeing that the score of ethnic Russians should have been 101.4 at the time of that test. You are confusing me.
     
    100.4. I had insisted that the actual ethnic Russian PISA-derived IQ estimate would be about 100.5 and not the 101.2 you had calculated, and it turns out to have been 100.4.

    Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.


    Due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in.

    A person with low income wouldn’t be able to get a loan. So a large pool of people are not able to get in, no matter what the examinations. Your failure to understand that is showing again that you are living in a bubblehead world.
     

    A person with a low income who is smart enough to get into medical school would not only easily get loans but also scholarships.

    The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.

    However when there happen to be people who are both poor and smart they easily get into medical school. Typically, these are people whose poverty is due to circumstances such as immigration.

    Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.


    Haven’t you read the citation?

    “The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.”
     

    Have you?

    It refers to the task material and structure, not to the wording of the individual items.

    There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.

    And different norms.


    So it’s here, for a specific test there is a chosen Greenwich IQ. For the PISA it’s the OECD mean score, for the WAIS it’s the US and Canada mean. Yes there are two coefficient variants, for Canada and for the US.
     
    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    You first link is reading, “The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range.”

    Your second link, that you think refers to some different norms is an evaluation, to make sure that the current calibration is still valid, because it can change over time.

    Your third article is explaining that the version calibrated for Canada produces lower scores, and since this test is used in medicine and both countries are more or less a common space, cultural and otherwise, it raises a number of problems.

     

    Indeed. The Canadian and American versions have their separate norms and different items, involving historical events.

    Canadians using the Canadian version of the test use norms that are different from their American colleagues. More:

    https://www.pearsonclinical.ca/content/dam/school/global/clinical/ca/assets/wais-iv-cdn/wais-iv-cdn-update-note-norms-dec2014-can.pdf

    Because Canada has a different history than the USA, different historical questions are asked on the Canadian version of the WAIS:

    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1989-10563-001

    Administered the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale—Revised (WAIS—R), plus Canadian replacement items for biased US items in the Information subtest, to 3 subgroups of the Canadian population (84 17–70 yr old psychiatric patients, 40 16–59 yr old forensic clients, and 20 university undergraduates). It was contended that when the 10 US items are used while testing Canadian population subgroups a cultural bias occurs

    Ireland has its own version with different items also:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261584455_Modification_of_the_WAIS-R_Information_Sub-test_for_Use_with_an_Irish_Population

    And so on.


    “The authors noted that clinicians evaluating patients with acquired cognitive deficits might conclude that a person has a greater degree of cognitive impairment when using the Canadian norms compared with the American norms.”

    This is not how that test is used in other countries.

    The international standard is the US test, and it’s the same for all, and it’s in English. There are some translated versions, to me the German one is familiar, it’s translated from English and it uses the US calibration. The same questions, the same scores.

    And no, there are no questions about historical events.
     

    Of course there are questions about history. There is a subtest called "information" that tests knowledge of historical events, literature, various trivia.

    I suspect you lied when you said you took this test, one of your many lies.

    And look :

    Different norms for the test in different European countries:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223272046_European_and_American_WAIS_III_norms_Cross-national_differences_in_performance_subtest_scores

    "For this study, European WAIS III performance subtest norms were compared to the original US norms. When European WAIS III raw scores were scored using US norms.."

    Europeans had their own norms, different form American ones.

    Note also that they only compared the performance (nonverbal) subtest items. That is because those ones are probably identical so they could be compared.

    The verbal ones are different. Different items, different questions. They cannot be compared.

    Are you starting to figure it out, Sharikov?

    Do you remember what you wrote ""Being stubborn while being wrong is a disgusting trait?"


    So what it means is that for measuring intelligence in various countries for a comparison, one standard, so called Greenwich IQ, has to be used. You have seen from that last article how complicated that process of calibration is.

    That would make it impossible to estimate the difference between various countries, if there was a separate set of norms for each.

     

    At what point will Sharikov come to realise that this is exactly why the Ravens' is used more often for cross-country comparisons?

    For the same reason the PISA test uses one set of norms, calibrated for the OECD countries mean score in sum total, and not counted for each country independently – that wouldn’t make sense, and would make things a lot more cumbersome.
     
    The whole point of the PISA seems to be to compare countries, so it would have one unified set of norms.

    The point of IQ tests is to compare people to their surrounding population (to determine impairment, ability relative to peers, etc.) . It would be inappropriate to use international universal norms for that purpose.

    This is why countries with their own editions of the WAIS each have their own norms. A German taking the WAIS would be compared to other Germans, and getting a score of 100 would mean his intelligence is exactly average for Germany. And likewise for other places.


    And since the PISA test is based on the school mathematics and science, whatever is implied here, and reading, it’s a lot more comprehensive and reliable, than the Progressive Matrices. However it doesn’t fit for adults. The adults forget.
     
    They are both comprehensive and reliable, they just measure different aspects of intelligence.


    You have not lived in Ukraine, have no idea who the Ukrainian people are, would not have been at home over there, would have been an alien there – it’s pointless. You are not a Ukrainian. You don’t know what you are talking about.
     
    I visit every few years, and am in regular contact with my cousins there. I enjoy my visits there very much. Not only the cities of Kiev and Lviv but also my ancestral village a couple hours from Kiev, where one branch of the family remains (my peasant relatives), we have a feast there when visitors come from America. Tidy village houses, kind and open warm-hearted people, animals, the kids chasing the chickens or jumping up and down on an old bed spring in the yard with their cousins (simple entertainment), my uncle sharing his own homemade salo...

    When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.


    And likewise, you have never lived in the Soviet Union, and all these bitter feelings are not from an experience of living there. You are expressing your own, internal, not connected to any of this, emotions. And you are not a happy man.
     
    You are myopic as usual. Just because I express disgust at contempt at a grotesque Sovok-created creature such as you does not make me an "arrogant narcissist." It's you and a handful of Soviets like you.

    Likewise, my condemnation of the Soviet system and its modern offshoot reflects the subject matter. I suppose I am not completely innocent, because I do not turn away and ignore phenomena such as Soviet people and their state, but I do enjoy political discussions and one is bound to come across such things in that context.

    :::::::::::::::::

    About your own background - so, typical deracinated Soviets. Russian-speaking mixture of Romanians, Jews, Russians. One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?

    Did they then become occupiers, living on Ukrainian territory?

    Children do not carry their parents' guilt but in your defense of the monstrous system you have not redeemed but continue the evil legacy.

    As for my family, one grandparent from peasants, the other three from nobles. Won't dox myself by describing my grandparents in more detail than that, but here is grandfather's uncle whom he was very close to, who cleverly exploited the Soviet occupiers to promote Ukrainian culture and who saved many many lives through his efforts (violent Banderist cretins misunderstood and hated him):

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB_%D0%98%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    He was executed by the Bolsheviks, it was a dangerous game. But putting Galicia into Ukraine was the poison pill that ultimately detached Ukraine from Russia, and hopefully will make possible the renewal of some form of the PLC, Ukraine's natural home, and undo the treason of Bohdan Khmelytsky.

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  673. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    You're wrong about another thing. Thankfully this is easy to disprove.

    The size of housing can be measured as the average number of rooms per person: there were on average 1.6 rooms per person in the EU in 2020. Among the Member States, the largest number was recorded in Malta (2.3 rooms per person), followed by Belgium and Ireland (both 2.1 rooms). At the other end of the scale were Romania (1.1 rooms), Croatia, Latvia, Poland and Slovakia (all with 1.2 rooms on average per person).

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1b.html?lang=en#:~:text=On%20average%201.6%20rooms%20per,in%20the%20EU%20in%202020.

    Notice how it is on the former Eastern block states with the fewest rooms.

    And Germany is a healthy 1.8.

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    Your point is that in the West people have better living conditions – of course, in general, and the salaries are higher.

    Though in Greece there are 1.3 rooms, the same as in Bulgaria, and in Italy 1.4, less than in Hungary, Czechia, Slovenia, Lithuania and Estonia.

    How do you explain that – Italy is not a poor country.

    But regarding the number of rooms, it looks like dependent children are not counted as persons.

    Household definition:

    A ‘private household’ means “a person living alone or a group of people who live together in the same private dwelling and share expenditures”.

  674. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Let's look at your selective a careful language:


    Nato like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible.

    Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it.
     

    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because "Nato likes to have access to real estate". But Russia threatens and worse.

    Your language betrays you. You are incapable of thinking about it in an objective and even-handed way. That's fine, you prefer your own, or maybe have a strong opinion about Russian perfidy. But then you need to accept that there are no rules and whomever is stronger in any region gets his way.

    It was Nato - with the people like you probably concurring - who destroyed the rules-based-world. They said 'we can, but you can't'. Well, Russia is attempting to prove them wrong. The root of the problem is that Nato (or the West) stopped behaving based on the rules they themselves created and preached.

    It is sad that Ukraine got caught in the middle. But they know where they live and should know that messing with a larger and powerful neighbor is risky. You cannot get over the fact that "Russia did it, they invaded" - but in retrospect it is not surprising.


    NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it’s not just NATO per se, but Ukraine’s Western orientation that Russia objects to.
     
    There is no way you can separate the two. Ideally, Ukraine after Maidan had gone out of its way to treat its Russian minority super-fairly, with no banning of the Russian language, offering a compromise and friendship. And never even mention Nato. Talk about Europe, friendship, being a "bridge", etc... They could had lied or pretended. It would almost certainly work better - Russia was not itching to get involved and in any case the 'reasons' wouldn't be there: no burnt Russians in Odessa, no shelling of Donbas, no banning of Russian language, no threats, no Nato exercises and plans for bases. Just Europe and "we are all friends".

    They could have done that, but they didn't. They went to the other extreme and it didn't work - now they are losing a war, lots of territory, have permanent hostilities, and almost certainly no EU or Nato. That's what happens when you are ruled by emotional poseurs and not by rational people. Or when you have no agency and others - like Nato - are telling you what to do.

    Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake - no way to avoid looking in the mirror. And the West is furious that Russia dared to act the way West has acted. Now, let's have a drink, relax and see who will be the winner.

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    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because “Nato likes to have access to real estate”. But Russia threatens and worse.

    I should’ve qualified this. I didn’t say that NATO does not use force, but that this is NATO’s approach vis a vis Eastern European countries (such as ours and what would also be the approach towards Ukraine under normal circumstances in a hypothetical scenario of a MAP). It happened so historically that during that period of time (after 1991) NATO became more of a “political” alliance, countries simply disarmed and didn’t see the motivation to re-build the armaments (until recently). So for 15 years essentially (until 2014) there haven’t been any significant buildups. Had the same scenario been repeated with Ukraine, it would also most likely be just small training operations. Ukraine had (still has) its own arms industry, its own air defense, a huge army, experience in live action, in fact more than what many NATO countries have. It’s totally possible (and most likely true, as we see right now) that even this minimal level of communication was not acceptable for Russia (because rightly so — we don’t know where it could lead in 10-20 years). You yourself have stated over and over that Russia has an overwhelming advantage in that region.

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    As to the current situation, it’s not NATO as a bloc that’s helping Ukraine, but separate countries, both individually and in various formats. Simultaneously, one can also argue that Ukraine is now a de facto NATO country because it’s receiving unprecedented help from those countries (most are in NATO). Everything but the troops. One can even argue that this is what Article 5 may have looked like in action (Article 5 is very vague). Because the help is substantial. It looks like the US has made a long term commitment, and even though the Lend Lease has not yet kicked in (it’s a very slow process), it’s a very serious commitment (nothing of this sort has been done since WW2).

    Talk about Europe, friendship, being a “bridge”, etc… They could had lied or pretended. [..] Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake

    I’m starting to think that it’s not so much miscalculation as they simply can’t be any different. Nobody can just give up their identity or lie it away like you’re suggesting above. One can be more careful with their language, try to be more diplomatic, but why force people to be together if they don’t want to be? Some senile politician can keep repeating that “we are one people” because that matches his ideological impulses and devious imperialistic objectives, but it doesn’t change the objective differences in world views between these two peoples. A whole new generation has grown up, these young people don’t want to live like Putin and Patrushev envision.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...but that this is NATO’s approach vis a vis Eastern European countries
     
    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country. Nato bombed and invaded Serbia to take away part of its territory. Then they built the biggest Nato base there. It dismantles your argument. Do you really not know this, or do you just pretend?

    not so much miscalculation as they simply can’t be any different. Nobody can just give up their identity or lie it away like you’re suggesting above.
     
    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don't ban the Russian language, don't bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion, don't burn Russians in Odessa, don't march with British ministers and weapons in sight of Crimea. Non-controversial easy things that have no impact on people's true identity.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians and to genuflect in front of Nato bosses. And to never hear the hated Russian language. They did all of the above right after 2014 - the excuse that Russia started the war doesn't count. 2014 was 8 years before 2022: the language ban was passed in February 2014 - a month before Crimea seceded.

    If the Ukie identity requires the things they did and they couldn't even play it smart enough not to get into the mess, maybe it is not a very viable identity. What I suggested was both rational and doable, but the Kiev rulers acted in the opposite pathologically self-defeating way. I have no explanation for it, the story makes no sense.

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  675. @Triteleia Laxa
    Indoor Plumbing Still a Pipe Dream for 20% of Russian Households, Reports Say

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049

    On average in the EU, 1.5 % of the population lacked a toilet, shower or bath (indoor plumbing.)

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1c.html?lang=en

    In the US, I have seen it said that 1.1 million people live without indoor plumbing. This makes the number somewhere around 0.29%.

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    There are no villages in the US, and in Russia 25 percent of the population lives in a village. Russian villages are old school. No plumbing. Outdoor toilets, water from the well, oven, sauna – a different culture.

    There is a shower, but it isn’t used except for in summer, the water is heated in a metal barrel on the roof, with sun light.

    Log houses for the most part.

    I have lived for some time in a village in Crimea, and in other two, elsewhere in Ukraine. And in another one near Warsaw in Poland. Have never been to a Russian village though.

    So the one in Crimea was on the seaside, and there was plumbing. The other two, in Central Ukraine, had no plumbing, and one had no gas as well. But it’s kind of cool, cooking a soup in an oven, in a ceramic pot.

    There’s a charm in it.

    And then in Poland, in that village, though there was plumbing there was no gas, but there was a bathroom and a bathtub. And there was a restaurant, in the village. Excellent food, great coffee.

    But the best villages are in Romania, in the mountains, at least of those that I’ve been to. Beautiful places, mesmerizing.

    Photos.

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    An average Russian, Ukrainian, and Romanian village.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    What are you on about? "There are no villages in the US?" There's no point in talking with you at all, since you have to make statements like that to maintain your internal narrative.

  676. @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    someone wha had no real experience
     
    I know what the life was like in Soviet times as my parents, grandparents, and everyone, has lived and breathed that. And the world I was born was simply the immediate moments after a political change.

    Meanwhile, you can tell us about being the representative from the posh Central European country where they can film Amadeus.


    You also seconded AP’s deranged nonsense – that is an unforgivable sin!

     

    I don't think anyone is following your arguments with AP, so I'm not sure what you are trying to say here about "unforgivable sin". You and AP both promote views which sound like Soviet propaganda about a "decaying West

    For you, this has been an enjoyable opportunity, to claim Czechoslovakia was the "lost Atlantis" of central Europe, with free Budweiser pouring from the city fountains and Skoda growing from trees. While AP seems to believe postsoviet Kiev and Moscow, are a positive example to follow, like kitsch streets, conspicuous consumption derived from interregional parasitism, increasing inequality, and the decision centres of fratricidal violence, are a representation of historical progress that can be anything to celebrate losing the USSR for.


    so all this talk of “ruins” and “no fridges”
     
    When I write about ruins and fridges? I assume Czechs will not drink warm beer. I find it difficult to imagine how they would live without a fridge.

    people the life in socialist E Europe was not that different from how most people lived in W Europe
     
    Maybe in Central Europe.

    I've been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression "this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil".

    But the life of developed socialism from 1960s-1980s, the standard of living for average people was a lot more convergent with the West than it was in the 19th century or the 21st century so far.


    that for a “totalitarian nightmare“?
     
    Well it can be exaggeration to say USSR was completely totalitarian, except perhaps in some repressions such as the late 1930s. But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn't only product of socialism.

    Ukraine has become a corrupt third world country since 1991.
     
    Ukraine was relatively more corrupt also in Soviet times.

    it will become after this war could be worse. It is too big for EU
     
    Ukraine will improve if it can join the EU, as the postsoviet countries are too culturally or structurally weak to solve their problems (and these problems are very costly), they require external monitoring and a formal framework with rules they cannot cheat.

    Replies: @A123, @Here Be Dragon

    Come on you’re smarter than that.

    I’ve been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression “this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil”.

    And I’ve been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.

    Don’t think it reminds me so much of London either.

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    But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn’t only product of socialism.

    You might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn’t have a baton, didn’t have tear gas. A police state is in America.

    The Soviet police was polite.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon

    Police everywhere in the world deal mostly with crime and traffic. (I know some well.) That was the case in the old pre-1989 socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt. It is almost all 'crime and traffic'. There is an unhealthy politicization of police on all sides of the opinion spectrum.

    We also either live in a criminal state or in a police state (my over-statement for brevity!), that's how it works, one or the other. Even the exceptions like Sweden are now sliding into more of a criminal state, unpunished crimes if the perpetrators are 'special'.

    In the 1980's Czech0-Slovakia police was low tech, almost invisible, and very, very lazy. There was a small group in the two capitol cities that harassed people who staged demos. They were usually polite and harmless: "just doing my job, sir" - "why are you making trouble, making work for us, go to a pub like everyone else" ---- that's from Vaclav Havel's own memoirs.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge and Cannes, that's the West baby, all of it is like that, fat and happy all the time! And see that black-and-white picture of a dump in some podunk Romanian village, that's the totalitarian police state we have been telling you about. Beware!...They got the fat part right.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry, @Wielgus

    , @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.
     
    Central Moscow or photos of Hermitage has no relation to lifestyle in the USSR, unless you want to know where they are nowadays wasting money polishing every street tile in the 21st century.

    Neither Tate Modern in London has much connection to the normal life of the United Kingdom. But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.


    might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn’t have a baton, didn’t have tear gas. A police state
     
    And neither in North Korea. But it was a police state, by any definitions.

    Secret police is one of the most powerful element in the society, and the revolutionary authorities refortify them immediately from the 1920s, so there will not be further revolutions. They expanded the systems, which were already a highly repressive police state before the revolution.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s.

    When the secret police is one of the most prioritized institutions in the country, it looks like. The most impressive building project of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4357/37180174090_6e3394b383_o.jpg


    A police state is in America.
     
    It's not a contrast but a continuity. America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state, which are well known.

    https://i.imgur.com/yAA6CT6.png

    In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however. There can be more similarities than differences in this area, as there is overlap in this area on both sides of the Cold War, of the over-powerful, security state.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  677. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    For example, article states: “Fully three-quarters of the American housing stock consists of single-family detached and attached units” (i.e., a quarter of housing in America consists of apartments).

    And it doesn’t mean, that apartments are counted in that statistics.
     
    So what in your little mind is housing that is not detached or semi-detached if not apartment (or condo) buildings?

    From the article you liked to:

    https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/life/lifestyle-cuisine/housing-in-germany

    4ZKB is the code for a typical German rented apartment. Translated, it stands for four rooms plus kitchen and bathroom.

    Statistically, each household consists of two people.

    What is four divided by two, Sharikov?

    It is two. Or about 1.8 - two rooms per person.

    Eurostat:

    Average number of rooms per person:

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/cache/digpub/housing/bloc-1b.html?lang=en

    Germany: 1.8

    ::::::::::::::

    The rest is your convoluted way of trying to prove that 4/2 is not 2.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    A household doesn’t count children as persons, that explains the numbers.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    You've just made that up. Or you're unable to do basic comprehension. Either way, what is the point in talking with you? Obviously a household counts children as "persons.". You seem to have got the idea that it didn't because the definition of "a household" is people who live together and share expenses. It seems to be trying to avoid hostels from counting, by avoiding places where there is no unified electricity bill.

    Dependent children are obviously part of a household as they obviously share expenses. Or do you really think that the definition of a "household ' is now set up to exclude houses where children live who don't work?

    Hahaha.

    You're pointless. Like this murderous war you love.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @AP

  678. @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    There are no villages in the US, and in Russia 25 percent of the population lives in a village. Russian villages are old school. No plumbing. Outdoor toilets, water from the well, oven, sauna – a different culture.

    There is a shower, but it isn't used except for in summer, the water is heated in a metal barrel on the roof, with sun light.

    Log houses for the most part.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULihJTMGMHo

    I have lived for some time in a village in Crimea, and in other two, elsewhere in Ukraine. And in another one near Warsaw in Poland. Have never been to a Russian village though.

    So the one in Crimea was on the seaside, and there was plumbing. The other two, in Central Ukraine, had no plumbing, and one had no gas as well. But it's kind of cool, cooking a soup in an oven, in a ceramic pot.

    There's a charm in it.

    And then in Poland, in that village, though there was plumbing there was no gas, but there was a bathroom and a bathtub. And there was a restaurant, in the village. Excellent food, great coffee.

    But the best villages are in Romania, in the mountains, at least of those that I've been to. Beautiful places, mesmerizing.

    Photos.


    An average Russian, Ukrainian, and Romanian village.

    https://i.postimg.cc/HxwQGhPg/Russia.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/qvWnNTPr/Ukraine.jpg

    https://i.postimg.cc/s2yj6HSS/Romania.jpg

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    What are you on about? “There are no villages in the US?” There’s no point in talking with you at all, since you have to make statements like that to maintain your internal narrative.

  679. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    A household doesn't count children as persons, that explains the numbers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You’ve just made that up. Or you’re unable to do basic comprehension. Either way, what is the point in talking with you? Obviously a household counts children as “persons.”. You seem to have got the idea that it didn’t because the definition of “a household” is people who live together and share expenses. It seems to be trying to avoid hostels from counting, by avoiding places where there is no unified electricity bill.

    Dependent children are obviously part of a household as they obviously share expenses. Or do you really think that the definition of a “household ‘ is now set up to exclude houses where children live who don’t work?

    Hahaha.

    You’re pointless. Like this murderous war you love.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Listen, you began talking to me, not the other way round. I'm a polite guy, that's why I'm replying. So be polite, if that's not very hard for you.


    What are you on about? “There are no villages in the US?” There’s no point in talking with you at all, since you have to make statements like that to maintain your internal narrative.
     
    You are wrong, there are no villages in the US. The are places called villages, but that's not the same a village is elsewhere in the world.

    You’ve just made that up. Or you’re unable to do basic comprehension. Either way, what is the point in talking with you? Obviously a household counts children as “persons.” You seem to have got the idea that it didn’t because the definition of “a household” is people who live together and share expenses.
     
    Yes that's how it's defined. People who live in the place and share expenditures.

    Dependent children are obviously part of a household as they obviously share expenses. Or do you really think that the definition of a “household ‘ is now set up to exclude houses where children live who don’t work?
     
    Dependent children don't work and can't share expenses. Yet dependent children can't live without parents.
    , @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Soviets such as he are fundamentally dishonest people. Children don’t count as members of households (lol), IQ tests in different countries are based on a single universal norm (lol), America had no villages (lol), poor kids who are smart are unable to attend medical school in the USA because it’s expensive (lol), only a few hundred people engaged in corruption in the USSR (lol), etc.

    They grew up in a system of lies and this flexible approach to facts comes naturally to them.

  680. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...Crimea was demographically colonised by ethnic Russians long ago. It really has been an integral part of Russia for a long time
     
    Why is it then constantly referred to as Russian aggression? Kiev has not recognized it. Something doesn't add up here...

    ...Russia only succeeds in controlling them by effectively paying them tribute
     
    You can say that about almost any aid receiving group: Ukraine, Poland, blacks in US...nothing unusual, it is done all over the world. Chechens are less than 1% of Russia's population - to colonise Russia they will have to work a bit harder...maybe another horrible scenario you invented that won't happen?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Why is it then constantly referred to as Russian aggression? Kiev has not recognized it. Something doesn’t add up here…

    Because it was sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Are you playing stupid or actually really are this stupid?

    You can say that about almost any aid receiving group: Ukraine, Poland, blacks in US…nothing unusual, it is done all over the world.

    No, you can’t as those other groups don’t have their own governments to which the tribute is paid, their own formal militias, their own formal territory and so much legal independence that they formally go around murdering homosexuals as part of their own governmental process. See my question above.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Because it was sovreign territory of Ukraine.
     
    Not any more.

    don’t have their own governments to which the tribute is paid
     
    Technicality. Have you seen the set-up blacks have in the big US cities? If that is not a tribute, what would be?

    they formally go around murdering homosexuals as part of their own governmental process.
     
    Interesting, I thought they only do it in Saudi Arabia.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  681. I know we are ruled by delusional lunatics but even I am amazed more effort isn’t being made to do a peace deal. Kissinger wasn’t wrong with his two month timeline, the AFU won’t exist in a few weeks and the damage to Western economies will be catastrophic, I heard diesel inventories in the US are just twenty five percent of normal levels, time is on Russia’s side.

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    I wish the Western economies would hurry up and collapse already. I'm sick of waiting.

    Fuck Joe Biden.

    Replies: @S

  682. @Here Be Dragon
    @Coconuts


    The issue with this in relation to housing cost in London versus Manchester wouldn’t need explaining.
     
    And it doesn't need it. You were supposed to understand that prices and salaries are connected.

    Your posts do not constitute scientific research so why should my answers?
     
    Because my post is not a guess, there's a reference and information, easy to verify.

    Class depends more on your family background, level of education and the kind of job you do, teachers are at least lower middle class just by virtue of the job they do.
     
    You confuse social and economic definitions of classes. The middle class are people with income of 75 to 200 percent of the median.

    Aether has already explained what I was referring to when I said 8 or 9 rooms, I didn’t write bedrooms.
     
    Well you should have, because in my post bathrooms weren't counted.


    https://www.oecd.org/unitedkingdom/Middle-class-2019-United-Kingdom.pdf

    Replies: @Coconuts

    And it doesn’t need it. You were supposed to understand that prices and salaries are connected.

    The average price of a house in London is not 30% higher than the UK average. You appeared incredulous that dwelling size in London and the larger cities is shrinking and that at present people living outside of London (would also apply to some areas outside of the South East) can afford to buy a bigger house than people living in London doing the same job. But you haven’t explained why.

    Because my post is not a guess, there’s a reference and information, easy to verify.

    There is nothing in your posts to substantiate or back up any of those claims you made:

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    This is what it looks like. There’s nothing good about it.

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.

    No link to where the plan came from or what it relates to.

    Remember:

    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.

    You confuse social and economic definitions of classes. The middle class are people with income of 75 to 200 percent of the median.

    Was your reply relevant to what I wrote? You did nothing to show that two teachers are unlikely to live in an 8 or 9 room house, nor have you yet posted any linked data about the kinds of houses currently inhabited by all of the people in that income bracket in the UK.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Coconuts


    You appeared incredulous that dwelling size in London and the larger cities is shrinking and that at present people living outside of London can afford to buy a bigger house than people living in London. But you haven’t explained why.
     
    Because you said it's like an 8-room house, and that was incredible. Later we sorted it out. You counted bathrooms as rooms, and a kitchen as well. So in fact it's a 5-room house. That can be, in a small town or in a village, but there are no places to work at.

    The reason those houses cost less is that there are no places to work at.

    There is nothing in your posts to substantiate or back up any of those claims you made. No link to where the plan came from or what it relates to.
     
    There is a description on the plan, and it's not hard to find the page it comes from. Google image search. And it takes a second.

    'Shoebox homes' become the UK norm
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-14916580
  683. @Beckow
    @LatW

    Let's look at your selective a careful language:


    Nato like to have access to as much real estate as they can with as little risk as possible.

    Russia often threatens openly, repeatedly, and does nothing, but then goes ahead and does it.
     

    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because "Nato likes to have access to real estate". But Russia threatens and worse.

    Your language betrays you. You are incapable of thinking about it in an objective and even-handed way. That's fine, you prefer your own, or maybe have a strong opinion about Russian perfidy. But then you need to accept that there are no rules and whomever is stronger in any region gets his way.

    It was Nato - with the people like you probably concurring - who destroyed the rules-based-world. They said 'we can, but you can't'. Well, Russia is attempting to prove them wrong. The root of the problem is that Nato (or the West) stopped behaving based on the rules they themselves created and preached.

    It is sad that Ukraine got caught in the middle. But they know where they live and should know that messing with a larger and powerful neighbor is risky. You cannot get over the fact that "Russia did it, they invaded" - but in retrospect it is not surprising.


    NATO was a factor, a major irritant for Russia, but it’s not just NATO per se, but Ukraine’s Western orientation that Russia objects to.
     
    There is no way you can separate the two. Ideally, Ukraine after Maidan had gone out of its way to treat its Russian minority super-fairly, with no banning of the Russian language, offering a compromise and friendship. And never even mention Nato. Talk about Europe, friendship, being a "bridge", etc... They could had lied or pretended. It would almost certainly work better - Russia was not itching to get involved and in any case the 'reasons' wouldn't be there: no burnt Russians in Odessa, no shelling of Donbas, no banning of Russian language, no threats, no Nato exercises and plans for bases. Just Europe and "we are all friends".

    They could have done that, but they didn't. They went to the other extreme and it didn't work - now they are losing a war, lots of territory, have permanent hostilities, and almost certainly no EU or Nato. That's what happens when you are ruled by emotional poseurs and not by rational people. Or when you have no agency and others - like Nato - are telling you what to do.

    Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake - no way to avoid looking in the mirror. And the West is furious that Russia dared to act the way West has acted. Now, let's have a drink, relax and see who will be the winner.

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon

    I’d add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era – and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street. This was the era when Russia was capitalism’s Wild East, when every oligarch had their private enforcers, when the US was secretly sending advisers to Yeltsin’s election campaigns.

    Though the gangster element has declined, the oligarch era has never really ended, only moderated under Putin, in that the oligarchs are no longer allowed to do things which are perceived by government as against Russian national interests. Putin was the oligarch’s choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    Here’s Boris Berezovsky talking to that mannish Russian Jewish lesbian, not Anne Applebaum, can’t remember her name. She interviewed him in exile about his discussions with Putin:

    “Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated … Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”

    An artificial two-party system sums up most of “Western democracy”. The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    I digress. Here’s a potted history of pro-Western attitudes in post-Soviet Russia, from the piece posted upthread about Russian intellectuals hardening on the war.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/

    For a time, from the fall of the Soviet Union to the mid-1990s, the attitude of most of the Russian intelligentsia to the West was one of blind adulation, and the change from this went through a whole series of stages. The shift began with the decision to expand NATO, generally seen in Russia as a betrayal. Fear of NATO expansion grew with NATO’s attack on Serbia during the Kosovo War. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 was widely seen as proof that the United States wished to impose rules on others that it had no intention of keeping itself.

    A key turning point came with the offer of future NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008, followed by the Georgian attack on Russian positions in South Ossetia, and the West’s misrepresentation of this as a Russian attack on Georgia. Western support for the Ukrainian revolution of 2014, generally seen in Russia as a nationalist coup against an elected president, finally doomed genuine rapprochement between Russian centrist intellectuals and their Western counterparts.

    However, Russian hopes for some form of limited compromise either with America or Europe lingered on for many years. Realists to the core themselves, members of the Russian establishment found it hard to understand why America, faced with intractable problems in the Middle East and the rise of a powerful China, did not seek to reduce tensions with the far less dangerous Russia. Similarly, they were bewildered by what they have seen as a European failure to understand that with Russia as a friend, they would face no military threat on their own continent.

    Three developments in particular kept these hopes alive. First, the French and German brokerage of the “Minsk II” peace agreement over the Donbas in 2015 allowed the Russians to believe in the possibility of an agreement with Paris and Berlin over Ukraine — though this hope faded as the French and Germans did nothing to get Ukraine actually to implement the agreement. Then the election of Donald Trump in 2016 gave hope of a friendlier America, a split between Europe and America, or both. And finally, the Biden administration’s prioritization of China as a threat revived hopes of diminished U.S. hostility to Russia.

    Russian hopes for co-operation with France and Germany could revive if these governments seek a compromise peace in Ukraine — with or without the United States. Failing that, however, Trenin’s article indicates that not just Putin’s inner circle, but much of the wider Russian establishment, will approach the war in Ukraine in a spirit of grim determination, at least until there is a possibility of a peace agreement that meets basic Russian conditions.

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump – the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump – the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.
     
    You're comparing a one-time President in a constitutional Republic with Chairman Xi, the autocratic head of the Communist Party.

    And yet you're favourable to the power allocated to the latter, but I'm not sure you're looking at that fact holistically, and the consequences were it the case in America.

    I’d add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era – and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street.
     
    As always, Russia said that they had the right intentions, but engaged in an orgy of corruption and blamed everyone else.

    Notice how East Germany, Czechia, Poland, Estonia etc chose not to do that. "Looking to the West" is not the common factor in post-Soviet failure. instead, it is the extent to which a country remained under Russian domination that best explains it.

    Only Russia itself stands up as a partial exception, but Russia is wholly sustained by fossil fuels. Looking to them as a model is like looking to Saudi Arabia. That's just a fact.

    I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.
     
    British people were free to vote for the BNP in election after election.

    And it wasn't that they were brainwashed against it, it was that they actively disliked the BNP, and for understandable reasons. if you don't understand and sympathise with those reasons, even if you need not agree, you are totally alienated.

    Furthermore, while people may often poll in support of robust immigration restrictions, they never poll in support of the actual harsh measures that would be required. This is reality.

    Personally, I'd shoot the first few men who tried to illegally infiltrate, to ensure no one else ever did, but there's tiny public support for that.

    It is cringe when we immigration restrictionist cite poll after poll supporting our position and believe our own propaganda. No different from a libertarian citing poll after poll saying that the public want tax decreases, or a socialist citing poll after poll saying that the public wants more government spending. Of course the public supports things like these in isolation, but that's meaningless.

    The question, which matters for the actual vote, is not whether the public supports your policies in isolation, but whether they support the opportunity cost, and immigration restrictionists have completely deluded ourselves again and again on this issue.

    And so we fall back into a "public are brainwashed' rabbit hole, of "everything is a lie and everything is a conspiracy", and further marginalise ourselves in a sick cycle of alienation, bitterness and resentment.

    I've seen it. You've seen it. The Dissident Right is now basically a movement based around hating our countries, hating the decisions of our people and hating just about everybody else, unless they personify nihilism, destruction and cruelty.
    , @Sean
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Putin was the oligarch’s choice in the post-Yeltsin years.
     
    No, he seemed to not aspire to supreme power, and not take sides. He rose rather like Saddam.


    Twitter could drop Donald Trump – the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay
     
    A leader always has that power, if he chooses to use it.
    , @S
    @YetAnotherAnon



    "...So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”
     
    An artificial two-party system sums up most of “Western democracy”. The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.
     
    Yes, and this 'artificial' Right vs Left, Conservative vs Liberal, etc, 'two party system' of the West, would itself simply seem to be a micro-cosm and closely paralleling derivitive of a larger manufactured and broadly controlled (crimethink, I know) centuries old now global Hegelian Dialectic, a dialectic which was willfully and knowingly initiated by the hands and minds of men in the late 18th century with the respective 1776 American proto-Capitalist and 1789 French proto-Communist revolutions of that time.

    I've posted before how both the (defacto) Capitalist manifesto, Smith's Wealth of Nations, and the Communist Manifesto, were in each instance first published in London in 1776 and 1848 respectively, in both instances there being a tie in with the City of London financial district.

    And that, the heavy hitter Founding Father's of the Capitalist United States, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and very possibly Benjamin Franklin, were also quite involved in the proto-Communist French Revolution as well.

    [I think, at least originally from the more purely Anglo-Saxon viewpoint, the intention had been that the British Empire (in time to be aided and supplanted somewhat in this, as planned, by the United States) would act as this manufactured Capitalist vs Communist dialectic's arbiter (ie 'referee') and guide it along towards a final 'synthesis' of Capitalism and Communism in global Multi-Culturalism, manifesting in a new global super-state of the united continents to be called the United States of the World, or some such. This future world order was to revolve around a central US/UK political axis. In effect, the British Empire (naturally!) was to ultimately 'inherit the Earth', the 'worker being worthy of his wages'.]

    It's unfortunate that with all that available evidence of the Right vs Left meme being artificial and controlled, that multiple viable 'opt out' movements haven't succeeded during the past centuries in providing a variety of alternatives for the peoples of the world and mankind as a whole.

    Alas, the power of the Big Lie is powerful indeed.

    Michael York's character, Logan, in the 1976 sci-fi movie Logan's Run faced the awesome power of the Big Lie in the clip below, when he and a fellow 'runner' attempted to tell people the actual truth of their situation:


    https://youtu.be/LKdPjwmNSlY


    And from the same 1976 movie, a scene of a future Washington DC and it's Capitol building Senate chambers overgrown and in ruins. Some say such destruction may not be ultimately avoidable, but, that it can be postponed for an indefinite time, provided a people substantially change their ways:


    https://youtu.be/1yjocPDg708
    , @S
    @YetAnotherAnon


    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.
     
    That's called 'dispensing of existance' according to the outstanding 1961 book by Robert J Lifton entitled Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism.

    'Thought reform' is simply a modern term for 'brain washing'. The ideology of global Multi-culturalism has all the ear marks of being gigantic cult, which becomes pretty apparent when the highlights of Lifton's book are examined.

    I've posted those main points of his book under More below:

    Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.
     
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism



    In the book, Lifton outlines the "Eight Criteria for Thought Reform":

    Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

    Mystical Manipulation. The manipulation of experiences that appears spontaneous but is, in fact, planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows a reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.

    Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

    Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

    Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

    Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

    Doctrine over person. Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

    Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.[3]
  684. @LondonBob
    I know we are ruled by delusional lunatics but even I am amazed more effort isn't being made to do a peace deal. Kissinger wasn't wrong with his two month timeline, the AFU won't exist in a few weeks and the damage to Western economies will be catastrophic, I heard diesel inventories in the US are just twenty five percent of normal levels, time is on Russia's side.

    Replies: @Greasy William

    I wish the Western economies would hurry up and collapse already. I’m sick of waiting.

    Fuck Joe Biden.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @S
    @Greasy William


    I wish the Western economies would hurry up and collapse already. I’m sick of waiting.
     
    Not to worry.

    The Fall of Capitalism, ie the economic and political collapse of the United States and it's Western bloc, should happen soon enough, and you will have gotten your wish. It'll be just like the Fall of Communism a little over thirty years ago, when the Soviet Union and it's Eastern bloc 'fell'.

    Just like then, and despite what we will be told, this will have been a top down affair, and not bottom up, and certainly not 'naturally occurring' either.

    Even so, those of a 'Leftist' collectivist bent will take responsibility for the event, even encouraged to do so by the powers that be, just as those of a 'Right' individualist bent took responsibility for the Fall of Communism, and were encouraged to so then by those in power, though in reality in each instance this will hardly have been the case.

    Just as the Fall of Communism was accompanied by much looting of the remnants of the economic system, so, too, will be the Fall of Capitalism and it's economic remnants be accompanied by much looting.

    The worker is worthy of his wages those behind these historic events tell themselves!

    Then this centuries old manufactured and broadly controlled (crimethink, I know) Hegelian Dialectic will be moved ever closer towards a final synthesis of Capitalism and Communism to form global Multi-culturalism, and towards the ushering in of a new world-wide super-state/empire to be called the United States of the World, of which the founding of the United States of [North] America, in 1776, was merely the first cog.

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n15/mode/2up
  685. Anyone got any ideas on this “shopping mall attack” in Kremenchug? I don’t believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR – so what’s the story?

    Operator error, missile malfunction, US GPS spoofing (in which case we’ll probably never know), or have (say) some bad boys needing to gee-up the West with a “Russian War Crime” been putting out vast quantities of radio messages from an upstairs office to make it look like an HQ ?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It is war. People get frustrated and lash out. Soldiers are humans and prone to fits of vindictive rage, especially when stressed and in fear.

    If you want to avoid this type of thing, you don't invade another country, but, if you must, you at least prepare your soldiers thoroughly.

    1. You train them on the mission (there is no Russian mission.)

    2. You conduct training on why preserving civillian life is crucial to the completion of the mission (Russia does not.)

    3. You give your soldiers plenty of warning to ensure they have time to internally process everything (this did not happen.)

    4. You do not dehumanise the local population (Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis.)

    5. You own up to at least some of your inevitable crimes and punish and shame the perpetrators. (Russia pretends that they're all Urkainian false flags.)

    And if you do none of these 5 things, you maximise the chances of your soldiers lashing out like this. It is a credit to the Russian soldiery that even more, than the many war crimes already obvious, have not been committed.

    Replies: @Sean, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Anyone got any ideas on this “shopping mall attack” in Kremenchug
     
    Chances are quite high that it never happened.

    The photo is from an event back in March. See my post up at #663 for the cited evidence.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5415380

    Anyone believing the Fake Stream Media is clearly delusional. Americans trust the FSM less than even Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇
    , @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Anyone got any ideas on this “shopping mall attack” in Kremenchug? I don’t believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR – so what’s the story?
     
    This place is in Poltava oblast, nowhere near Donbas. Poltava oblast is immediately east of the Dnipro River and used to vote Orange (pro-West). It’s not pro-Russian territory in any way.

    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead. Of course, in that case - why attack in the middle of the day when shoppers and staff would be there? And the center was supposedly hit by two missiles not one missile.

    Fortunately there don’t appear to have been 1000 people in the store. The air raid sirens prompted the beginning of an evacuation, the notices I’ve seen of people looking for missing loved ones are all of store staff (someone’s mother who works at the store can’t be reached, her family are desperate). I’ve seen a number of those notices, probably the workers were the last to be evacuated and they didn’t make it. Horrible.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  686. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    I'd add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era - and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street. This was the era when Russia was capitalism's Wild East, when every oligarch had their private enforcers, when the US was secretly sending advisers to Yeltsin's election campaigns.

    https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1996/1101960715_400.jpg

    Though the gangster element has declined, the oligarch era has never really ended, only moderated under Putin, in that the oligarchs are no longer allowed to do things which are perceived by government as against Russian national interests. Putin was the oligarch's choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    Here's Boris Berezovsky talking to that mannish Russian Jewish lesbian, not Anne Applebaum, can't remember her name. She interviewed him in exile about his discussions with Putin:


    “Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated … Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”
     
    An artificial two-party system sums up most of "Western democracy". The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    I digress. Here's a potted history of pro-Western attitudes in post-Soviet Russia, from the piece posted upthread about Russian intellectuals hardening on the war.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/


    For a time, from the fall of the Soviet Union to the mid-1990s, the attitude of most of the Russian intelligentsia to the West was one of blind adulation, and the change from this went through a whole series of stages. The shift began with the decision to expand NATO, generally seen in Russia as a betrayal. Fear of NATO expansion grew with NATO’s attack on Serbia during the Kosovo War. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 was widely seen as proof that the United States wished to impose rules on others that it had no intention of keeping itself.

    A key turning point came with the offer of future NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008, followed by the Georgian attack on Russian positions in South Ossetia, and the West’s misrepresentation of this as a Russian attack on Georgia. Western support for the Ukrainian revolution of 2014, generally seen in Russia as a nationalist coup against an elected president, finally doomed genuine rapprochement between Russian centrist intellectuals and their Western counterparts.

    However, Russian hopes for some form of limited compromise either with America or Europe lingered on for many years. Realists to the core themselves, members of the Russian establishment found it hard to understand why America, faced with intractable problems in the Middle East and the rise of a powerful China, did not seek to reduce tensions with the far less dangerous Russia. Similarly, they were bewildered by what they have seen as a European failure to understand that with Russia as a friend, they would face no military threat on their own continent.

    Three developments in particular kept these hopes alive. First, the French and German brokerage of the “Minsk II” peace agreement over the Donbas in 2015 allowed the Russians to believe in the possibility of an agreement with Paris and Berlin over Ukraine — though this hope faded as the French and Germans did nothing to get Ukraine actually to implement the agreement. Then the election of Donald Trump in 2016 gave hope of a friendlier America, a split between Europe and America, or both. And finally, the Biden administration’s prioritization of China as a threat revived hopes of diminished U.S. hostility to Russia.

    Russian hopes for co-operation with France and Germany could revive if these governments seek a compromise peace in Ukraine — with or without the United States. Failing that, however, Trenin’s article indicates that not just Putin’s inner circle, but much of the wider Russian establishment, will approach the war in Ukraine in a spirit of grim determination, at least until there is a possibility of a peace agreement that meets basic Russian conditions.

     

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump - the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean, @S, @S

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump – the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    You’re comparing a one-time President in a constitutional Republic with Chairman Xi, the autocratic head of the Communist Party.

    And yet you’re favourable to the power allocated to the latter, but I’m not sure you’re looking at that fact holistically, and the consequences were it the case in America.

    I’d add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era – and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street.

    As always, Russia said that they had the right intentions, but engaged in an orgy of corruption and blamed everyone else.

    Notice how East Germany, Czechia, Poland, Estonia etc chose not to do that. “Looking to the West” is not the common factor in post-Soviet failure. instead, it is the extent to which a country remained under Russian domination that best explains it.

    Only Russia itself stands up as a partial exception, but Russia is wholly sustained by fossil fuels. Looking to them as a model is like looking to Saudi Arabia. That’s just a fact.

    I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    British people were free to vote for the BNP in election after election.

    And it wasn’t that they were brainwashed against it, it was that they actively disliked the BNP, and for understandable reasons. if you don’t understand and sympathise with those reasons, even if you need not agree, you are totally alienated.

    Furthermore, while people may often poll in support of robust immigration restrictions, they never poll in support of the actual harsh measures that would be required. This is reality.

    Personally, I’d shoot the first few men who tried to illegally infiltrate, to ensure no one else ever did, but there’s tiny public support for that.

    It is cringe when we immigration restrictionist cite poll after poll supporting our position and believe our own propaganda. No different from a libertarian citing poll after poll saying that the public want tax decreases, or a socialist citing poll after poll saying that the public wants more government spending. Of course the public supports things like these in isolation, but that’s meaningless.

    The question, which matters for the actual vote, is not whether the public supports your policies in isolation, but whether they support the opportunity cost, and immigration restrictionists have completely deluded ourselves again and again on this issue.

    And so we fall back into a “public are brainwashed’ rabbit hole, of “everything is a lie and everything is a conspiracy”, and further marginalise ourselves in a sick cycle of alienation, bitterness and resentment.

    I’ve seen it. You’ve seen it. The Dissident Right is now basically a movement based around hating our countries, hating the decisions of our people and hating just about everybody else, unless they personify nihilism, destruction and cruelty.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
  687. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Anyone got any ideas on this "shopping mall attack" in Kremenchug? I don't believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR - so what's the story?

    Operator error, missile malfunction, US GPS spoofing (in which case we'll probably never know), or have (say) some bad boys needing to gee-up the West with a "Russian War Crime" been putting out vast quantities of radio messages from an upstairs office to make it look like an HQ ?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @AP

    It is war. People get frustrated and lash out. Soldiers are humans and prone to fits of vindictive rage, especially when stressed and in fear.

    If you want to avoid this type of thing, you don’t invade another country, but, if you must, you at least prepare your soldiers thoroughly.

    1. You train them on the mission (there is no Russian mission.)

    2. You conduct training on why preserving civillian life is crucial to the completion of the mission (Russia does not.)

    3. You give your soldiers plenty of warning to ensure they have time to internally process everything (this did not happen.)

    4. You do not dehumanise the local population (Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis.)

    5. You own up to at least some of your inevitable crimes and punish and shame the perpetrators. (Russia pretends that they’re all Urkainian false flags.)

    And if you do none of these 5 things, you maximise the chances of your soldiers lashing out like this. It is a credit to the Russian soldiery that even more, than the many war crimes already obvious, have not been committed.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Nation building require nation breaking. Drunk Russians die and the survivors completely destroy everything and then the conquered country is pacified. Chechnya is a good example of the superiority of Russian methods.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Totally disagree. This isn't some scared squaddie, shooting a guy with a phone, worried he may be calling in a strike. This is entering co-ordinates from 25 or 40 miles away.

    "Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis."

    No they don't. Where are you getting this from? "De-nazification" was aimed at the Azov/Banderite types.

    These France 24 reporters (translation added) were shocked to find that the remaining locals in Lyschansk wanted Ukrainian troops to go away. The stay-behinds there and in Severodonetsk see themselves as Russians.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ukrainian-military-unit-russia-artillery-1365021/


    A big part of the problem in defending this part of Donbas, Ostap believes, is that the people who have stayed behind — the people who haven’t fled — don’t really believe they are part of Ukraine. In his view, the civilians who remain are all separatist sympathizers. He says they help the Russians navigate backcountry roads that aren’t on the maps.
     
    https://youtu.be/CcQJJIvakwo

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

  688. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    I'd add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era - and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street. This was the era when Russia was capitalism's Wild East, when every oligarch had their private enforcers, when the US was secretly sending advisers to Yeltsin's election campaigns.

    https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1996/1101960715_400.jpg

    Though the gangster element has declined, the oligarch era has never really ended, only moderated under Putin, in that the oligarchs are no longer allowed to do things which are perceived by government as against Russian national interests. Putin was the oligarch's choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    Here's Boris Berezovsky talking to that mannish Russian Jewish lesbian, not Anne Applebaum, can't remember her name. She interviewed him in exile about his discussions with Putin:


    “Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated … Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”
     
    An artificial two-party system sums up most of "Western democracy". The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    I digress. Here's a potted history of pro-Western attitudes in post-Soviet Russia, from the piece posted upthread about Russian intellectuals hardening on the war.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/


    For a time, from the fall of the Soviet Union to the mid-1990s, the attitude of most of the Russian intelligentsia to the West was one of blind adulation, and the change from this went through a whole series of stages. The shift began with the decision to expand NATO, generally seen in Russia as a betrayal. Fear of NATO expansion grew with NATO’s attack on Serbia during the Kosovo War. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 was widely seen as proof that the United States wished to impose rules on others that it had no intention of keeping itself.

    A key turning point came with the offer of future NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008, followed by the Georgian attack on Russian positions in South Ossetia, and the West’s misrepresentation of this as a Russian attack on Georgia. Western support for the Ukrainian revolution of 2014, generally seen in Russia as a nationalist coup against an elected president, finally doomed genuine rapprochement between Russian centrist intellectuals and their Western counterparts.

    However, Russian hopes for some form of limited compromise either with America or Europe lingered on for many years. Realists to the core themselves, members of the Russian establishment found it hard to understand why America, faced with intractable problems in the Middle East and the rise of a powerful China, did not seek to reduce tensions with the far less dangerous Russia. Similarly, they were bewildered by what they have seen as a European failure to understand that with Russia as a friend, they would face no military threat on their own continent.

    Three developments in particular kept these hopes alive. First, the French and German brokerage of the “Minsk II” peace agreement over the Donbas in 2015 allowed the Russians to believe in the possibility of an agreement with Paris and Berlin over Ukraine — though this hope faded as the French and Germans did nothing to get Ukraine actually to implement the agreement. Then the election of Donald Trump in 2016 gave hope of a friendlier America, a split between Europe and America, or both. And finally, the Biden administration’s prioritization of China as a threat revived hopes of diminished U.S. hostility to Russia.

    Russian hopes for co-operation with France and Germany could revive if these governments seek a compromise peace in Ukraine — with or without the United States. Failing that, however, Trenin’s article indicates that not just Putin’s inner circle, but much of the wider Russian establishment, will approach the war in Ukraine in a spirit of grim determination, at least until there is a possibility of a peace agreement that meets basic Russian conditions.

     

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump - the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean, @S, @S

    Putin was the oligarch’s choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    No, he seemed to not aspire to supreme power, and not take sides. He rose rather like Saddam.

    Twitter could drop Donald Trump – the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay

    A leader always has that power, if he chooses to use it.

  689. @Barbarossa
    An exciting evening today!

    My wife found a Broad Winged Hawk chick which had fallen out of it's nest. Incredibly, the week old puff ball (with some fearsome talons already) seems to have survived it's 40' fall nearly unscathed and is quite active and perky.

    I was going to try to put it back into it's nest, but once I got my longest extension ladder precariously balanced and cockeyed up in the tree, I climbed most of the way up with the chick and realized I'd have to scale another 8' of the tree using nothing but some spindly dead limbs to get the chick back in the nest. With my logging helmet and a heavy jacket on (for protection in case mama decided to go after me) I'm sure it must have been a ludicrous sight.

    While I can think of worse ways to die than some damn fool expedition to replace a hawk chick I figured that my kids would like to have me around a bit longer, and given that they and my wife were all footing the ladder it wouldn't have done to plummet off the thing. So, discretion prevailed over valor and I pulled the plug on the endeavor. I have a reputation for being a madman climber, so if I felt like it was sketchy, trust me, it was really sketchy.

    We brought the chick home and set up a heat lamp and a nest box, so we'll see how they do. Raptors are easy to feed, at least; just tweezer raw meat like mama would.

    I thought the best plan would be to raise it and see how hawking goes. I had a name picked out and everything...Stephen Hawking. MY wife seems to think we should take it to some wildlife rehabilitator, which is undoubtedly the correct, if decidedly less cool choice.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    Broad Winged Hawk

    Not one I am familiar with. Mainly see red-tail and cooper’s. Read up a little and may have solved a mystery of my childhood. One day, when I was a boy, I remember seeing a frog without its skin, on the front stairs of my house. Guess certain birds skin a frog, before they eat it, so that might be the explanation.

    Closest I got to a bird recently was a ruby-throated hummingbird. One day, it buzzed me so close (they are quite loud, when they get really close, like 10x a bumblebee) that for a fleeting moment, I began to wonder if the government had released its killer drones on me. Another day I saw it, and blinked, and it had literally disappeared from my field of view, while I blinked. They get pretty desperate in late October, if you wear any bright colors.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Some 20 years ago within Phoenix, one could still spot hummingbirds more frequently than you do today. Same could be said about Mpls 30 - 40 years ago. I guess that hummingbirds prefer more pristine areas, and that as cities expand the resulting pollution drives them away. One Thanksgiving morning a few years back, about mid morning, I saw a large roadrunner sitting in my back yard. Roadrunners are not unusual to see on the outskirts of Phoenix, but rarer in the inner city. It was unusual too, because they're not known for being birds that like to fly too often, and yet the only way it could have gotten into my back yard would have been to fly over a tall cement brick wall surrounding it. If you really enjoy watching birds, you really ought to visit Costa Rica. You can spend long beautiful moments just gazing at birds in their natural environment. It's a birders paradise - there's nothing quite like watching red macaws or toucans in their natural environment, except for possibly howler monkeys, dolphins, whales, or even army ants. Ant eaters and large groupings of wild pigs can be fun to watch too.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    My wife had to look the hawk up since she did not recognize it. That's saying something since she is really interested in the bird identification and has a running tally of somewhere around 60 species identified immediately around our property.


    I remember seeing a frog without its skin
     
    You've probably heard about cattle skinned or drained of blood being found, but have you considered that the frog was done by very tiny aliens? LOL

    We have a fair number of hummingbirds here too and they are really neat to be around. It just blows my mind that they manage to migrate. Somehow, with their caloric needs it seems even more amazing to me than the Monarch butterfly migration. The NE doesn't have much of a reputation for noteworthy wildlife, but there is some really incredible stuff out there!

    Replies: @songbird

  690. @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It is war. People get frustrated and lash out. Soldiers are humans and prone to fits of vindictive rage, especially when stressed and in fear.

    If you want to avoid this type of thing, you don't invade another country, but, if you must, you at least prepare your soldiers thoroughly.

    1. You train them on the mission (there is no Russian mission.)

    2. You conduct training on why preserving civillian life is crucial to the completion of the mission (Russia does not.)

    3. You give your soldiers plenty of warning to ensure they have time to internally process everything (this did not happen.)

    4. You do not dehumanise the local population (Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis.)

    5. You own up to at least some of your inevitable crimes and punish and shame the perpetrators. (Russia pretends that they're all Urkainian false flags.)

    And if you do none of these 5 things, you maximise the chances of your soldiers lashing out like this. It is a credit to the Russian soldiery that even more, than the many war crimes already obvious, have not been committed.

    Replies: @Sean, @YetAnotherAnon

    Nation building require nation breaking. Drunk Russians die and the survivors completely destroy everything and then the conquered country is pacified. Chechnya is a good example of the superiority of Russian methods.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Sean

    I already addressed the Chechnya example. Chechnya is run as an independent state. It has laws which are considered utterly barbaric in Russia. Meanwhile, Chechnyans have complete access to Russia and are bribed with huge amounts of money by the Russian state each year. This is Putin buying himself a personal torturer/assassin squad. It has nothing to do with nation building, and Chechnya will break for independence again, as soon as Russia decides that acting like a subjugated vassal to Chechnya, just so Putin can have goons to kill his domestic opposition, isn't worth it.

    Grozny also has a population 1/15 of Kyiv, so the model, which obviously bad for the Russian people, isn't even scalable to Ukraine or anything like that.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

  691. A123 says: • Website
    @sher singh
    Just finished Jan Assman's The Price of Monotheism, here's a summary:

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825657548765921280/991172283135709214/unknown.png

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZX5mlguACU

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @A123

    Just finished Jan Assman’s The Price of Monotheism, here’s a summary

    There is a problem with the summary:

    Early America (1,700-1,800) was monotheistic and had some of the strongest weapons rights for citizens on the planet — The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
    ___

    Jump ahead in time:

    Leftoids pursuing SJW folly turn their backs on monotheism and worship a bevy of east coast fake news propagandists and west coast entertainers. These pantheists (∆) are a direct threat to both Judeo-Christian monotheism and the Right to Bear Arms.

    Monotheistic MAGA Populists recently scored a huge win defending the 2nd Amendment. (1)

    On Thursday, the court issued its first major ruling on the Second Amendment in over a decade, striking down a New York gun regulation and holding that the right to bear arms extends outside the home. Fourteen years earlier, the court’s modern jurisprudence on guns began with the decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, striking down a D.C. gun regulation and holding that the Constitution protects an individual right to keep guns inside the home. This week, we highlight cert petitions that ask the court to consider, among other things, whether a post-Heller regulation that prevents anyone in the District of Columbia with a “propensity for violence or instability” from obtaining a license to carry a gun is unconstitutionally vague.

    Trump’s SCOTUS appointees delivered on this front, and there is good reason to believe more will follow. No doubt the deranged #NeverTrump fringe posters here are seething with anger over Trump’s display of highly successful executive leadership and service to the God.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/another-gun-case-waits-in-the-wings/

    (∆) While I use pantheism for the effective deification of media stars, I realize they are not proper gods. If you would like to suggest a better term, separate from both pantheism and monotheism, I am open to the idea.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @A123

    Monotheism is defined by exclusion of other faiths/divinities.
    I was merely studying or summarizing it from one perspective, however the genocide of the Natives is surely monotheist as is their (forced) conversion to Christianity.

    Liberalism's intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
    As you're both Christian and a Homo I'd ask you not reply to my posts, thanks. :)

    https://youtu.be/98p-S7p9I3M

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

  692. A123 says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Anyone got any ideas on this "shopping mall attack" in Kremenchug? I don't believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR - so what's the story?

    Operator error, missile malfunction, US GPS spoofing (in which case we'll probably never know), or have (say) some bad boys needing to gee-up the West with a "Russian War Crime" been putting out vast quantities of radio messages from an upstairs office to make it look like an HQ ?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @AP

    Anyone got any ideas on this “shopping mall attack” in Kremenchug

    Chances are quite high that it never happened.

    The photo is from an event back in March. See my post up at #663 for the cited evidence.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-191-russia-ukraine/#comment-5415380

    Anyone believing the Fake Stream Media is clearly delusional. Americans trust the FSM less than even Not-The-President Biden.

    PEACE 😇

  693. @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon

    It is war. People get frustrated and lash out. Soldiers are humans and prone to fits of vindictive rage, especially when stressed and in fear.

    If you want to avoid this type of thing, you don't invade another country, but, if you must, you at least prepare your soldiers thoroughly.

    1. You train them on the mission (there is no Russian mission.)

    2. You conduct training on why preserving civillian life is crucial to the completion of the mission (Russia does not.)

    3. You give your soldiers plenty of warning to ensure they have time to internally process everything (this did not happen.)

    4. You do not dehumanise the local population (Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis.)

    5. You own up to at least some of your inevitable crimes and punish and shame the perpetrators. (Russia pretends that they're all Urkainian false flags.)

    And if you do none of these 5 things, you maximise the chances of your soldiers lashing out like this. It is a credit to the Russian soldiery that even more, than the many war crimes already obvious, have not been committed.

    Replies: @Sean, @YetAnotherAnon

    Totally disagree. This isn’t some scared squaddie, shooting a guy with a phone, worried he may be calling in a strike. This is entering co-ordinates from 25 or 40 miles away.

    “Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis.”

    No they don’t. Where are you getting this from? “De-nazification” was aimed at the Azov/Banderite types.

    These France 24 reporters (translation added) were shocked to find that the remaining locals in Lyschansk wanted Ukrainian troops to go away. The stay-behinds there and in Severodonetsk see themselves as Russians.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ukrainian-military-unit-russia-artillery-1365021/

    A big part of the problem in defending this part of Donbas, Ostap believes, is that the people who have stayed behind — the people who haven’t fled — don’t really believe they are part of Ukraine. In his view, the civilians who remain are all separatist sympathizers. He says they help the Russians navigate backcountry roads that aren’t on the maps.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So, 15,000 brain dead civilians out of a once thriving city of 350,000 are sympathetic towards the Russian cause? Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers..

    Replies: @Sean, @YetAnotherAnon

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Totally disagree. This isn’t some scared squaddie, shooting a guy with a phone, worried he may be calling in a strike. This is entering co-ordinates from 25 or 40 miles away.
     
    There are other ways in which uncertainty can creep up the command chain, thereby increasing rashness.

    For example, there are many layers to confirming a suitable target, and they can easily be jettisoned by emotional or frustrated Commanders.

    Does anyone know what RoE Russia is operating under? Or their processes for requesting that those RoE get lightened?

    Russian forces may have been under artillery attack and the shopping centre showed some signs of radio transmission, as it would, and rather than going through a laborious confirmation of target process, the Russian commander just, in a fit of pique, launched at it.

    These types of mistakes, often born of callousness, are much more frequent for the reasons I said. Everything in war is uncertain. Every order is given in doubt. You can make your military lean towards preserving civillian life in decisions where they are not sure of the effect of their actions, or you can not. Russia clearly is not. They don't even seem to want to shame their own criminals. Instead, they just deny them.

    Will the Commander even be punished? Or will the Russians just pretend, again, that the Ukrainians did it? How do you expect these types of cruel mistakes to not be made in the future if the Russian military institution cannot even take responsibility?

    No they don’t. Where are you getting this from? “De-nazification” was aimed at the Azov/Banderite types
     
    No, Russian media, and official sources, refer to all sorts of Ukrainians in these terms. They also sefine "Nazis" as "people who want to exterminate Russians". They have therefore built an eliminationist rhetoric and narrative, officially, and fed it to their soldiers. This has consequences.

    These France 24 reporters (translation added) were shocked to find that the remaining locals in Lyschansk wanted Ukrainian troops to go away. The stay-behinds there and in Severodonetsk see themselves as Russians.
     
    I don't know if they were "shocked." There have been endless articles in the Western press about such geriatric and usually alcoholic Soviet holdouts over the last 8 years.

    But of course this video is just the result of a small minority self-selecting, along with some craven opportunism. The idea that Russia is only managing to crawl a third of a kilometre a day over friendly territory is too absurd to bother to further address. I am sure some Ukrainians are helping the Russians, as all invading forces can always find collaborators, but this clearly isn't anything like a "liberation."

    Compare to the genuine welcome given to the US in many parts of Iraq, not exactly a model for "liberations."
  694. @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    Broad Winged Hawk
     
    Not one I am familiar with. Mainly see red-tail and cooper's. Read up a little and may have solved a mystery of my childhood. One day, when I was a boy, I remember seeing a frog without its skin, on the front stairs of my house. Guess certain birds skin a frog, before they eat it, so that might be the explanation.

    Closest I got to a bird recently was a ruby-throated hummingbird. One day, it buzzed me so close (they are quite loud, when they get really close, like 10x a bumblebee) that for a fleeting moment, I began to wonder if the government had released its killer drones on me. Another day I saw it, and blinked, and it had literally disappeared from my field of view, while I blinked. They get pretty desperate in late October, if you wear any bright colors.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa

    Some 20 years ago within Phoenix, one could still spot hummingbirds more frequently than you do today. Same could be said about Mpls 30 – 40 years ago. I guess that hummingbirds prefer more pristine areas, and that as cities expand the resulting pollution drives them away. One Thanksgiving morning a few years back, about mid morning, I saw a large roadrunner sitting in my back yard. Roadrunners are not unusual to see on the outskirts of Phoenix, but rarer in the inner city. It was unusual too, because they’re not known for being birds that like to fly too often, and yet the only way it could have gotten into my back yard would have been to fly over a tall cement brick wall surrounding it. If you really enjoy watching birds, you really ought to visit Costa Rica. You can spend long beautiful moments just gazing at birds in their natural environment. It’s a birders paradise – there’s nothing quite like watching red macaws or toucans in their natural environment, except for possibly howler monkeys, dolphins, whales, or even army ants. Ant eaters and large groupings of wild pigs can be fun to watch too.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    If you really enjoy watching birds, you really ought to visit Costa Rica.
     
    To be perfectly frank, the tropics fill me with unbridled terror.

    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites. The other part of it is the heat and sun. I literally got heatstroke not more than 48 hours ago (actually barfed from it) And the brother of one of my ancestors dropped dead during a heatwave in Boston, when he was quite a young man.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  695. McCain et al smirking at Putin’s speech to the to the 2007 Munich security conference (spraying spittle on the first four rows according to Nuland) while complaining about the US overstepping its bounds.

    Putin’s first build up was likely a pressure tactic to concentrate Ukraine’s backer Biden’s mind. According to POW interviews, it was in mid 2021 that the Russian started training for a Crimea style rapid occupation of Ukraine, so by then Putin started to toy with ordering such an operation.

    At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance

    The second build up started right after the Byrakter and Javelin use in Donbass during late 2001. I think the weapons Trump and more especially Biden provided ( in November 2021 Ukraine used the Javelin for the first time in combat, shortly after the Turkish drones), far from deterring Putin. led him to conclude war was necessary, at whatever cost.

  696. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Totally disagree. This isn't some scared squaddie, shooting a guy with a phone, worried he may be calling in a strike. This is entering co-ordinates from 25 or 40 miles away.

    "Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis."

    No they don't. Where are you getting this from? "De-nazification" was aimed at the Azov/Banderite types.

    These France 24 reporters (translation added) were shocked to find that the remaining locals in Lyschansk wanted Ukrainian troops to go away. The stay-behinds there and in Severodonetsk see themselves as Russians.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ukrainian-military-unit-russia-artillery-1365021/


    A big part of the problem in defending this part of Donbas, Ostap believes, is that the people who have stayed behind — the people who haven’t fled — don’t really believe they are part of Ukraine. In his view, the civilians who remain are all separatist sympathizers. He says they help the Russians navigate backcountry roads that aren’t on the maps.
     
    https://youtu.be/CcQJJIvakwo

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

    So, 15,000 brain dead civilians out of a once thriving city of 350,000 are sympathetic towards the Russian cause? Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers..

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    Ethic Russian people living under Poroshenko were instrumental in the election of Zelensky. If he had enacted the platform he was elected on, there would have been no war. Ukraine will emerge from this as a real country, but a lot smaller.

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    "Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers.."

    Even within the clip, that number was 10 people. Listen to it.

    People make awful mistakes in war. I assume even the US didn't intend to do this, although no one was punished.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  697. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Totally disagree. This isn't some scared squaddie, shooting a guy with a phone, worried he may be calling in a strike. This is entering co-ordinates from 25 or 40 miles away.

    "Russia calls them all traitors and Nazis."

    No they don't. Where are you getting this from? "De-nazification" was aimed at the Azov/Banderite types.

    These France 24 reporters (translation added) were shocked to find that the remaining locals in Lyschansk wanted Ukrainian troops to go away. The stay-behinds there and in Severodonetsk see themselves as Russians.

    https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/ukrainian-military-unit-russia-artillery-1365021/


    A big part of the problem in defending this part of Donbas, Ostap believes, is that the people who have stayed behind — the people who haven’t fled — don’t really believe they are part of Ukraine. In his view, the civilians who remain are all separatist sympathizers. He says they help the Russians navigate backcountry roads that aren’t on the maps.
     
    https://youtu.be/CcQJJIvakwo

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Triteleia Laxa

    Totally disagree. This isn’t some scared squaddie, shooting a guy with a phone, worried he may be calling in a strike. This is entering co-ordinates from 25 or 40 miles away.

    There are other ways in which uncertainty can creep up the command chain, thereby increasing rashness.

    For example, there are many layers to confirming a suitable target, and they can easily be jettisoned by emotional or frustrated Commanders.

    Does anyone know what RoE Russia is operating under? Or their processes for requesting that those RoE get lightened?

    Russian forces may have been under artillery attack and the shopping centre showed some signs of radio transmission, as it would, and rather than going through a laborious confirmation of target process, the Russian commander just, in a fit of pique, launched at it.

    These types of mistakes, often born of callousness, are much more frequent for the reasons I said. Everything in war is uncertain. Every order is given in doubt. You can make your military lean towards preserving civillian life in decisions where they are not sure of the effect of their actions, or you can not. Russia clearly is not. They don’t even seem to want to shame their own criminals. Instead, they just deny them.

    Will the Commander even be punished? Or will the Russians just pretend, again, that the Ukrainians did it? How do you expect these types of cruel mistakes to not be made in the future if the Russian military institution cannot even take responsibility?

    No they don’t. Where are you getting this from? “De-nazification” was aimed at the Azov/Banderite types

    No, Russian media, and official sources, refer to all sorts of Ukrainians in these terms. They also sefine “Nazis” as “people who want to exterminate Russians”. They have therefore built an eliminationist rhetoric and narrative, officially, and fed it to their soldiers. This has consequences.

    These France 24 reporters (translation added) were shocked to find that the remaining locals in Lyschansk wanted Ukrainian troops to go away. The stay-behinds there and in Severodonetsk see themselves as Russians.

    I don’t know if they were “shocked.” There have been endless articles in the Western press about such geriatric and usually alcoholic Soviet holdouts over the last 8 years.

    But of course this video is just the result of a small minority self-selecting, along with some craven opportunism. The idea that Russia is only managing to crawl a third of a kilometre a day over friendly territory is too absurd to bother to further address. I am sure some Ukrainians are helping the Russians, as all invading forces can always find collaborators, but this clearly isn’t anything like a “liberation.”

    Compare to the genuine welcome given to the US in many parts of Iraq, not exactly a model for “liberations.”

  698. sher singh says:
    @A123
    @sher singh


    Just finished Jan Assman’s The Price of Monotheism, here’s a summary
     
    There is a problem with the summary:

    Early America (1,700-1,800) was monotheistic and had some of the strongest weapons rights for citizens on the planet -- The 2nd Amendment to the Constitution.
    ___

    Jump ahead in time:

    Leftoids pursuing SJW folly turn their backs on monotheism and worship a bevy of east coast fake news propagandists and west coast entertainers. These pantheists (∆) are a direct threat to both Judeo-Christian monotheism and the Right to Bear Arms.

    Monotheistic MAGA Populists recently scored a huge win defending the 2nd Amendment. (1)


    On Thursday, the court issued its first major ruling on the Second Amendment in over a decade, striking down a New York gun regulation and holding that the right to bear arms extends outside the home. Fourteen years earlier, the court’s modern jurisprudence on guns began with the decision in District of Columbia v. Heller, striking down a D.C. gun regulation and holding that the Constitution protects an individual right to keep guns inside the home. This week, we highlight cert petitions that ask the court to consider, among other things, whether a post-Heller regulation that prevents anyone in the District of Columbia with a “propensity for violence or instability” from obtaining a license to carry a gun is unconstitutionally vague.
     
    Trump's SCOTUS appointees delivered on this front, and there is good reason to believe more will follow. No doubt the deranged #NeverTrump fringe posters here are seething with anger over Trump's display of highly successful executive leadership and service to the God.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.scotusblog.com/2022/06/another-gun-case-waits-in-the-wings/

    (∆) While I use pantheism for the effective deification of media stars, I realize they are not proper gods. If you would like to suggest a better term, separate from both pantheism and monotheism, I am open to the idea.

    Replies: @sher singh

    Monotheism is defined by exclusion of other faiths/divinities.
    I was merely studying or summarizing it from one perspective, however the genocide of the Natives is surely monotheist as is their (forced) conversion to Christianity.

    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
    As you’re both Christian and a Homo I’d ask you not reply to my posts, thanks. 🙂

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sher singh


    I’d ask you not reply to my posts, thanks. 🙂
     
    Don't worry, he won't. He's limiting his circle of responders to only a very few hand picked loyalist devotees (not a whole lot, from my vantage point?).

    BTW, I can't help but wonder if "Charlie" isn't really you? I like your 6 pack abs, but go easy on that crack pipe. I hear that there's a lot of money to be made for those able to perform this type of "art form". :-)

    , @A123
    @sher singh


    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
     
    Let me Fix That For You

    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of Judeo-Christian monotheistic social norms is definitely in line with pantheism.

    Look at your HomoLiberal BJP. Telling the truth should not be grounds for suspension or expulsion. (1)

    In June 2022, Nupur Sharma, the spokeswoman of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), delivered an angry outburst on Indian television in which she spoke the truth about the marriage of Islam’s founder Muhammad to his youngest wife Aisha at the age of six and consummation at the age of nine, resulting in international condemnation by a number of Muslim-majority countries, including Iran, Qatar, and Pakistan.[1] She was immediately suspended by the BJP, while another BJP official Naveen Kumar Jindal was expelled for similar comments on Twitter.

    Nupur Sharma’s controversial remarks have led to calls for her beheading and protests in several Indian states. Her suspension from BJP, which is known for its anti-Muslim stance on several issues involving Muslims, led to an outcry by rightwing Hindu activists who constitute the core support base of the ruling party. Soon, the rightwing Hindu activists dug up a video of Dr. Zakir Naik, the well-known Islamic scholar now self-exiled in Malaysia, in which he confirms what Nupur Sharma said.
     
    I thought India was more sensible than this.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.memri.org/reports/islamic-leaders-india-call-beheading-hindu-politician-nupur-sharma-whom-they-accuse

    Replies: @sher singh, @Greasy William

  699. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Nation building require nation breaking. Drunk Russians die and the survivors completely destroy everything and then the conquered country is pacified. Chechnya is a good example of the superiority of Russian methods.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I already addressed the Chechnya example. Chechnya is run as an independent state. It has laws which are considered utterly barbaric in Russia. Meanwhile, Chechnyans have complete access to Russia and are bribed with huge amounts of money by the Russian state each year. This is Putin buying himself a personal torturer/assassin squad. It has nothing to do with nation building, and Chechnya will break for independence again, as soon as Russia decides that acting like a subjugated vassal to Chechnya, just so Putin can have goons to kill his domestic opposition, isn’t worth it.

    Grozny also has a population 1/15 of Kyiv, so the model, which obviously bad for the Russian people, isn’t even scalable to Ukraine or anything like that.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Sorry, I meant Grozny "had" that population just prior to the war with Russia.

    , @Sean
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Chechnya is run as an independent state. It has laws which are considered utterly barbaric in Russia.
     
    Historically they were white woman stealers, https://www.unz.com/pfrost/the-other-slave-trade/
    https://muslimheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/malikarox4.jpg
    Peter Turchin in his War and Peace and War wrote about them Post Soviet enslaving Russians after luring them to their country with the promise of paid work, Solzhenitsyn wrote of their wild lawless ways that even the Gulag could not control. he also spoke of the fearless Ukrainians he met in the camps.

    Grozny also has a population 1/15 of Kyiv, so the model, which obviously bad for the Russian people, isn’t even scalable to Ukraine or anything like that

     

    Kiev is almost impossible to surround became of the ravines nearby, which during WW2 were where Ukrainians had a huge massacre of Jews before the Germans arrived, later in the war the Ukrainians murdered hundreds of thousands of Poles. Incidentally, Poland was officially neutral in WW2. They were invaded because they refused to cooperate with Nazi Germany's attempt to conquer European Russia.
  700. @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So, 15,000 brain dead civilians out of a once thriving city of 350,000 are sympathetic towards the Russian cause? Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers..

    Replies: @Sean, @YetAnotherAnon

    Ethic Russian people living under Poroshenko were instrumental in the election of Zelensky. If he had enacted the platform he was elected on, there would have been no war. Ukraine will emerge from this as a real country, but a lot smaller.

  701. A123 says: • Website
    @AP
    @A123


    It is good to read that you are abandoning Ukie Maximalist extremism.
     
    My position from the beginning was that the fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be. Ideally it would be like the February 2022 border although at this point the Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.

    Wherever that border will be - the smaller Ukraine, the easier it will be to integrate with the West and therefore the quicker Ukraine will converge with its western neighbors. But ideally Ukraine would get to its February border or close to it.


    A prosperous future requires a Black Sea port.
     
    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

    In the extremely unlikely event that Russia takes half of Ukraine or more, the railroads through Poland would be sufficient for what would be left of Ukraine to trade with the outside world. There would only be really difficult trade disruptions if Kiev keeps almost all of Ukraine other than the immediate coast.

    Most likely scenario (but I don't have a hard belief in it) is that Russia slowly takes most of the rest of Donbas before both sides run out of steam after massive casualties. Decent chance Kiev retakes Kherson but won't be able to cross the Dnipro so Russia retains the land corridor. Also decent chance that Kharkiv gets further devastated (though not taken) as Russia takes more territory in Kharkiv province and the city will no longer be Ukraine's second largest city, much of it's businesses and population having moved to Kiev, Dnipro, Odessa or Lviv (this process has already begun).

    Odds of Russia expanding further, beyond Donbas, or of Ukraine pushing back to the February border or beyond are not zero but not high.

    Peace would come with an internationally monitored plebiscite in Russian-controlled territories, removal of some sanctions, Ukraine keeps its army but no formal NATO membership, and moves towards the EU. But Zelensky has made clear that he would not do peace without a referendum and the Ukrainian people are not yet ready to make peace with the invaders whom they hate, for good reason. So it won't be very soon.

    As I said, short and medium term this is a tragedy but long-term Ukraine is not in a bad position. It is more internally cohsive than ever in its history, it will link with EU, etc.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Sean, @A123

    Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.

    Why do Ukies keep repeating this fiction?

    Cherry picked photos show that the area around the Azov Steelworks were flattened. However, the bulk of the city did quite well. Water, sewer, and electricity have been restored to the lion’s share of residential dwellings, which were undamaged.

    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

    Mykolaiv has been undergoing Nakba (e.g. running away) for some time now. How many people are left? While Kiev’s forces could try to stand there, the city is east of the water way. It could easily become pocketed. Having a body of water at one’s back is a known defensive mistake that costs many troops.

    Russian forces went out of their way to leave Mariupol and other cities they will keep largely intact. Obtaining Odessa as a functioning city would be quite difficult, which suggests that they have no need for such restraint. The established, successful method for such encounters involve rolling artillery barrages that will flatten the city. If it is dry enough, out of control fires are a bonus driving defenders from the ruins.

    fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be.

    Will Ukraine become exhausted early enough to save Odessa? Given Zelensky’s corruption… Signs point to “No”.

    Negotiation is clearly the best option, but Zelensky is not agreement capable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @A123

    What are Russia offering? I've not seen them articulate an offer anywhere, nor even specific war objectives. Just passive aggressive bluster and cry-bullying, with the occasional moment of clarity about "conquest" to save Russian pride.

  702. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Sean

    I already addressed the Chechnya example. Chechnya is run as an independent state. It has laws which are considered utterly barbaric in Russia. Meanwhile, Chechnyans have complete access to Russia and are bribed with huge amounts of money by the Russian state each year. This is Putin buying himself a personal torturer/assassin squad. It has nothing to do with nation building, and Chechnya will break for independence again, as soon as Russia decides that acting like a subjugated vassal to Chechnya, just so Putin can have goons to kill his domestic opposition, isn't worth it.

    Grozny also has a population 1/15 of Kyiv, so the model, which obviously bad for the Russian people, isn't even scalable to Ukraine or anything like that.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

    Sorry, I meant Grozny “had” that population just prior to the war with Russia.

  703. @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So, 15,000 brain dead civilians out of a once thriving city of 350,000 are sympathetic towards the Russian cause? Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers..

    Replies: @Sean, @YetAnotherAnon

    “Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers..”

    Even within the clip, that number was 10 people. Listen to it.

    People make awful mistakes in war. I assume even the US didn’t intend to do this, although no one was punished.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    So 10 people left and 10 people remained. Did I miss something else?

  704. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    You've just made that up. Or you're unable to do basic comprehension. Either way, what is the point in talking with you? Obviously a household counts children as "persons.". You seem to have got the idea that it didn't because the definition of "a household" is people who live together and share expenses. It seems to be trying to avoid hostels from counting, by avoiding places where there is no unified electricity bill.

    Dependent children are obviously part of a household as they obviously share expenses. Or do you really think that the definition of a "household ' is now set up to exclude houses where children live who don't work?

    Hahaha.

    You're pointless. Like this murderous war you love.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @AP

    Listen, you began talking to me, not the other way round. I’m a polite guy, that’s why I’m replying. So be polite, if that’s not very hard for you.

    What are you on about? “There are no villages in the US?” There’s no point in talking with you at all, since you have to make statements like that to maintain your internal narrative.

    You are wrong, there are no villages in the US. The are places called villages, but that’s not the same a village is elsewhere in the world.

    You’ve just made that up. Or you’re unable to do basic comprehension. Either way, what is the point in talking with you? Obviously a household counts children as “persons.” You seem to have got the idea that it didn’t because the definition of “a household” is people who live together and share expenses.

    Yes that’s how it’s defined. People who live in the place and share expenditures.

    Dependent children are obviously part of a household as they obviously share expenses. Or do you really think that the definition of a “household ‘ is now set up to exclude houses where children live who don’t work?

    Dependent children don’t work and can’t share expenses. Yet dependent children can’t live without parents.

  705. AP says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    Anyone got any ideas on this "shopping mall attack" in Kremenchug? I don't believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR - so what's the story?

    Operator error, missile malfunction, US GPS spoofing (in which case we'll probably never know), or have (say) some bad boys needing to gee-up the West with a "Russian War Crime" been putting out vast quantities of radio messages from an upstairs office to make it look like an HQ ?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @A123, @AP

    Anyone got any ideas on this “shopping mall attack” in Kremenchug? I don’t believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR – so what’s the story?

    This place is in Poltava oblast, nowhere near Donbas. Poltava oblast is immediately east of the Dnipro River and used to vote Orange (pro-West). It’s not pro-Russian territory in any way.

    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead. Of course, in that case – why attack in the middle of the day when shoppers and staff would be there? And the center was supposedly hit by two missiles not one missile.

    Fortunately there don’t appear to have been 1000 people in the store. The air raid sirens prompted the beginning of an evacuation, the notices I’ve seen of people looking for missing loved ones are all of store staff (someone’s mother who works at the store can’t be reached, her family are desperate). I’ve seen a number of those notices, probably the workers were the last to be evacuated and they didn’t make it. Horrible.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead.
     
    Can't be, that's a satellite navigated rocket. Like GPS coordinates. Never misses. It's a propaganda operation.

    Horrible.
     
    Of course, can't quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.

    https://i.postimg.cc/3xhH6c63/Donetsk.jpg

    Pharisaic.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AP

  706. @sher singh
    @A123

    Monotheism is defined by exclusion of other faiths/divinities.
    I was merely studying or summarizing it from one perspective, however the genocide of the Natives is surely monotheist as is their (forced) conversion to Christianity.

    Liberalism's intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
    As you're both Christian and a Homo I'd ask you not reply to my posts, thanks. :)

    https://youtu.be/98p-S7p9I3M

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    I’d ask you not reply to my posts, thanks. 🙂

    Don’t worry, he won’t. He’s limiting his circle of responders to only a very few hand picked loyalist devotees (not a whole lot, from my vantage point?).

    BTW, I can’t help but wonder if “Charlie” isn’t really you? I like your 6 pack abs, but go easy on that crack pipe. I hear that there’s a lot of money to be made for those able to perform this type of “art form”. 🙂

    • LOL: sher singh
  707. A123 says: • Website
    @sher singh
    @A123

    Monotheism is defined by exclusion of other faiths/divinities.
    I was merely studying or summarizing it from one perspective, however the genocide of the Natives is surely monotheist as is their (forced) conversion to Christianity.

    Liberalism's intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
    As you're both Christian and a Homo I'd ask you not reply to my posts, thanks. :)

    https://youtu.be/98p-S7p9I3M

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.

    Let me Fix That For You

    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of Judeo-Christian monotheistic social norms is definitely in line with pantheism.

    Look at your HomoLiberal BJP. Telling the truth should not be grounds for suspension or expulsion. (1)

    In June 2022, Nupur Sharma, the spokeswoman of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), delivered an angry outburst on Indian television in which she spoke the truth about the marriage of Islam’s founder Muhammad to his youngest wife Aisha at the age of six and consummation at the age of nine, resulting in international condemnation by a number of Muslim-majority countries, including Iran, Qatar, and Pakistan.[1] She was immediately suspended by the BJP, while another BJP official Naveen Kumar Jindal was expelled for similar comments on Twitter.

    Nupur Sharma’s controversial remarks have led to calls for her beheading and protests in several Indian states. Her suspension from BJP, which is known for its anti-Muslim stance on several issues involving Muslims, led to an outcry by rightwing Hindu activists who constitute the core support base of the ruling party. Soon, the rightwing Hindu activists dug up a video of Dr. Zakir Naik, the well-known Islamic scholar now self-exiled in Malaysia, in which he confirms what Nupur Sharma said.

    I thought India was more sensible than this.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.memri.org/reports/islamic-leaders-india-call-beheading-hindu-politician-nupur-sharma-whom-they-accuse

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @A123

    The 2nd Amendment is based on Pagan Saxon traditions of carrying arms such as the Seax.
    No other christian country has preserved anything close to it

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/147470491501300114
    Dude you talk funny & wear glasses, your family tree is a Christmas wreath.

    Stop the charade,

    Replies: @A123

    , @Greasy William
    @A123

    Nupur Sharma: 5/10. Would not bang.

    Replies: @sher singh

  708. @Coconuts
    @Here Be Dragon


    And it doesn’t need it. You were supposed to understand that prices and salaries are connected.
     
    The average price of a house in London is not 30% higher than the UK average. You appeared incredulous that dwelling size in London and the larger cities is shrinking and that at present people living outside of London (would also apply to some areas outside of the South East) can afford to buy a bigger house than people living in London doing the same job. But you haven't explained why.

    Because my post is not a guess, there’s a reference and information, easy to verify.
     
    There is nothing in your posts to substantiate or back up any of those claims you made:

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.

    This is what it looks like. There’s nothing good about it.

    Undeveloped neighborhoods with poor infrastructure.
     

    A typical British townhouse is 80-100 square meters, with three small bedrooms upstairs. One of the bedrooms is very small. And that’s for middle class people.
     
    No link to where the plan came from or what it relates to.

    Remember:


    And in future when you want to say something, please avoid posting anything like that without a reference. Your biased opinions and guesses are of no interest.
     


    You confuse social and economic definitions of classes. The middle class are people with income of 75 to 200 percent of the median.

     

    Was your reply relevant to what I wrote? You did nothing to show that two teachers are unlikely to live in an 8 or 9 room house, nor have you yet posted any linked data about the kinds of houses currently inhabited by all of the people in that income bracket in the UK.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    You appeared incredulous that dwelling size in London and the larger cities is shrinking and that at present people living outside of London can afford to buy a bigger house than people living in London. But you haven’t explained why.

    Because you said it’s like an 8-room house, and that was incredible. Later we sorted it out. You counted bathrooms as rooms, and a kitchen as well. So in fact it’s a 5-room house. That can be, in a small town or in a village, but there are no places to work at.

    The reason those houses cost less is that there are no places to work at.

    There is nothing in your posts to substantiate or back up any of those claims you made. No link to where the plan came from or what it relates to.

    There is a description on the plan, and it’s not hard to find the page it comes from. Google image search. And it takes a second.

    [MORE]
    ‘Shoebox homes’ become the UK norm
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-14916580

  709. German_reader says:

    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-surprised-by-germany

    At this point this genre of Germany-bashing articles can only be described as outright lies, how else to explain such curious “omissions” as not even mentioning that Germany has just delivered heavy artillery from its own army stocks to Ukraine and has trained Ukrainian soldiers how to use it. This has got nothing to do with legitimate criticism anymore, the intention is clearly selling a certain narrative and omitting or twisting everything that doesn’t fit.
    This crisis has been extremely revelatory in some ways, though not in the sense generally promoted by Western media.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    What have you gotten your knickers in a twist over this time?

    Oh, it is some more funny, somewhat vague and sometimes so-vague-it-is-inaccurate words, in a minor American magazine.

    An example of an amusing and harmless genre that German and French magazines actually specialise in, as regards the US.

    Don't like it, don't read it.

    It isn't even particularly harsh, unless you count the mocking of German Catholics, and Scholz, as transgenderphiles as harsh? But then that does actually seem to be accurate.

    But don't worry, I get it. You've seen the extreme craveness, passive aggression and general slave morality of modern Germany as laughable and pitiable as it is, but you've escaped association by pretending that it is America's fault.

    But in reality, German guilt, and this pathetic German self-pity over their own sense of guilt, are both German self-impositions. At first, it was appropriate but then to became how you guys asserted your status. Your own little national narcissism.

    "I hate myself, because I am the worst, but I feel this way because of you, and that makes me a secret victim, so actually, in my passive aggression, I am the best! And you are the worst."

    This is the Scholzian tendency in German politics and it is due a good and broad mocking. Every German should either laugh along, or be mocked about this stuff, until they see how funny it is, and how sad.

    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...this genre of Germany-bashing articles can only be described as outright lies, how else to explain such curious “omissions”
     
    They are enlarging the propaganda war, a common dynamic when one decides to go for the bleachers and fight to the end. Germany is insufficiently enthusiastic and possibly not fully reliable, so the verbal tsunami is unleashed.

    Russians claim that we are not observing Europeanization of Ukraine, but Ukrainization of Europe. It seems about right. An oasis never spreads, the desert does.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  710. @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    Broad Winged Hawk
     
    Not one I am familiar with. Mainly see red-tail and cooper's. Read up a little and may have solved a mystery of my childhood. One day, when I was a boy, I remember seeing a frog without its skin, on the front stairs of my house. Guess certain birds skin a frog, before they eat it, so that might be the explanation.

    Closest I got to a bird recently was a ruby-throated hummingbird. One day, it buzzed me so close (they are quite loud, when they get really close, like 10x a bumblebee) that for a fleeting moment, I began to wonder if the government had released its killer drones on me. Another day I saw it, and blinked, and it had literally disappeared from my field of view, while I blinked. They get pretty desperate in late October, if you wear any bright colors.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Barbarossa

    My wife had to look the hawk up since she did not recognize it. That’s saying something since she is really interested in the bird identification and has a running tally of somewhere around 60 species identified immediately around our property.

    I remember seeing a frog without its skin

    You’ve probably heard about cattle skinned or drained of blood being found, but have you considered that the frog was done by very tiny aliens? LOL

    We have a fair number of hummingbirds here too and they are really neat to be around. It just blows my mind that they manage to migrate. Somehow, with their caloric needs it seems even more amazing to me than the Monarch butterfly migration. The NE doesn’t have much of a reputation for noteworthy wildlife, but there is some really incredible stuff out there!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    You’ve probably heard about cattle skinned or drained of blood being found
     
    I don't say that I believe in them, but I am a big fan of cryptids. I once tried to convince someone to build a fake Chupacabra. My idea was to set it up at night and have red, glowing eyes, and make some sort of fake cow with a bladder that would deflate, while it was being "sucked."

    Amusingly, I was recently listening to this guy who says that the hobbits on the Isle of Flores aren't extinct and that the natives have a word for them.

    but have you considered that the frog was done by very tiny aliens?
     
    My original theories ran to witches or to practical jokers.

    with their caloric needs it seems even more amazing to me than the Monarch butterfly migration
     
    Agree, but some of the little birds that stay and cache food are pretty amazing too, as are winter moths.

    The NE doesn’t have much of a reputation for noteworthy wildlife, but there is some really incredible stuff out there!
     
    Agree again. Used to think that ants herding aphids was something you can only see in the jungle, but you can see it up here too. Also, tree frogs. Not to mention wood frogs, which actually physically freeze and then dethaw, and i think mate on the same day that they dethaw.
  711. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack

    "Even within the clip, half of those interviewed opted to be evacuated by the Ukrainian volunteers.."

    Even within the clip, that number was 10 people. Listen to it.

    People make awful mistakes in war. I assume even the US didn't intend to do this, although no one was punished.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiriyah_shelter_bombing

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So 10 people left and 10 people remained. Did I miss something else?

  712. @A123
    @AP


    Russians might as well keep Mariupol it is utterly ruined and too expensive to build back.
     
    Why do Ukies keep repeating this fiction?

    Cherry picked photos show that the area around the Azov Steelworks were flattened. However, the bulk of the city did quite well. Water, sewer, and electricity have been restored to the lion's share of residential dwellings, which were undamaged.

    Very low chance of Russia getting Odessa. It would have to keep Kherson, take Mikolayiv (which is bigger than Mariupol) while Odessa itself is 3 times the size of Mariupol and less pro-Russian. It has also had several months to prepare now.

     
    Mykolaiv has been undergoing Nakba (e.g. running away) for some time now. How many people are left? While Kiev's forces could try to stand there, the city is east of the water way. It could easily become pocketed. Having a body of water at one's back is a known defensive mistake that costs many troops.

    Russian forces went out of their way to leave Mariupol and other cities they will keep largely intact. Obtaining Odessa as a functioning city would be quite difficult, which suggests that they have no need for such restraint. The established, successful method for such encounters involve rolling artillery barrages that will flatten the city. If it is dry enough, out of control fires are a bonus driving defenders from the ruins.

    fighting would last until exhaustion by both sides and that I was not sure where that line would be.
     
    Will Ukraine become exhausted early enough to save Odessa? Given Zelensky's corruption... Signs point to "No".

    Negotiation is clearly the best option, but Zelensky is not agreement capable.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    What are Russia offering? I’ve not seen them articulate an offer anywhere, nor even specific war objectives. Just passive aggressive bluster and cry-bullying, with the occasional moment of clarity about “conquest” to save Russian pride.

  713. @AP
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Anyone got any ideas on this “shopping mall attack” in Kremenchug? I don’t believe Russia would deliberately target innocent people, this is in an area they hope to incorporate into the DNR or LPR – so what’s the story?
     
    This place is in Poltava oblast, nowhere near Donbas. Poltava oblast is immediately east of the Dnipro River and used to vote Orange (pro-West). It’s not pro-Russian territory in any way.

    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead. Of course, in that case - why attack in the middle of the day when shoppers and staff would be there? And the center was supposedly hit by two missiles not one missile.

    Fortunately there don’t appear to have been 1000 people in the store. The air raid sirens prompted the beginning of an evacuation, the notices I’ve seen of people looking for missing loved ones are all of store staff (someone’s mother who works at the store can’t be reached, her family are desperate). I’ve seen a number of those notices, probably the workers were the last to be evacuated and they didn’t make it. Horrible.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead.

    Can’t be, that’s a satellite navigated rocket. Like GPS coordinates. Never misses. It’s a propaganda operation.

    Horrible.

    Of course, can’t quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.

    Pharisaic.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Here Be Dragon

    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/24/watch-failed-russian-missile-strikes-launch-site/

    Replies: @A123, @Here Be Dragon

    , @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Of course, can’t quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.
     
    Yes, it is horrible that Russia’s choice to get involved within Ukraine’s borders has resulted in people in Donetsk getting killed.

    Russia’s moves have led to disproportionately more deaths among Donbas people than among others. But since when have Soviets and neo-Soviets cared about those they consider their own?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  714. @A123
    @sher singh


    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
     
    Let me Fix That For You

    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of Judeo-Christian monotheistic social norms is definitely in line with pantheism.

    Look at your HomoLiberal BJP. Telling the truth should not be grounds for suspension or expulsion. (1)

    In June 2022, Nupur Sharma, the spokeswoman of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), delivered an angry outburst on Indian television in which she spoke the truth about the marriage of Islam’s founder Muhammad to his youngest wife Aisha at the age of six and consummation at the age of nine, resulting in international condemnation by a number of Muslim-majority countries, including Iran, Qatar, and Pakistan.[1] She was immediately suspended by the BJP, while another BJP official Naveen Kumar Jindal was expelled for similar comments on Twitter.

    Nupur Sharma’s controversial remarks have led to calls for her beheading and protests in several Indian states. Her suspension from BJP, which is known for its anti-Muslim stance on several issues involving Muslims, led to an outcry by rightwing Hindu activists who constitute the core support base of the ruling party. Soon, the rightwing Hindu activists dug up a video of Dr. Zakir Naik, the well-known Islamic scholar now self-exiled in Malaysia, in which he confirms what Nupur Sharma said.
     
    I thought India was more sensible than this.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.memri.org/reports/islamic-leaders-india-call-beheading-hindu-politician-nupur-sharma-whom-they-accuse

    Replies: @sher singh, @Greasy William

    The 2nd Amendment is based on Pagan Saxon traditions of carrying arms such as the Seax.
    No other christian country has preserved anything close to it

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/147470491501300114
    Dude you talk funny & wear glasses, your family tree is a Christmas wreath.

    Stop the charade,

    • Replies: @A123
    @sher singh


    The 2nd Amendment is based on Pagan Saxon traditions of carrying arms such as the Seax.
     
    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment is about shooting the British not 'pagan tradition'. That was a very poor attempt at a diversion.

    Everyone noticed that you ducked the question about your HomoBJP. Should we start calling India "Cuck-ia" for its willingness to cower before Islam?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

  715. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Barbarossa

    Wildlife rescue operations love raptors; they make the greatest displays for donors. They might send a limo to pick it up.

    Please do not delay. Hawks are awesome and wildlife rescue is the nicest bunch of old ladies you will ever meet. They will probably offer you personal custom tours in perpetuity for you and your kids.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Well, we did hand Stephen Hawking off to a wildlife rehab guy last night. It wasn’t a large rehab organization, just an individual. We found him through the DEC, and one can apparently get certified through them for the purpose, which is now on my wife’s list of life goals. Right now he has 5 kestrals and a turkey vulture going. He said the chick looked to be in great shape, which is just incredible given the fall it took.

    As you say, he was an incredibly nice older gentleman, who was pleasantly surprised when we actually proved competent enough to have correctly identified the hawk chick as in fact a hawk chick. He told us a few stories, like the time some knucklehead swore up and down that he had a red tail hawk chick when in fact it was a grouse.

    By the way, I’m nearly done with Upstate Cauldron which is a really entertaining book. I’ve enjoyed it a lot, so thanks for passing the recommendation on. I knew something about some of the subject matter, but its really something to have it laid out in a comprehensive treatment. I also appreciate the author’s approach which is delivered from neither a standpoint of committed skepticism or credulity. Just the facts, in all their multifaceted weirdness, makes for more interesting reading in this case than a partisan skew one way or another.

  716. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @German_reader
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-surprised-by-germany

    At this point this genre of Germany-bashing articles can only be described as outright lies, how else to explain such curious "omissions" as not even mentioning that Germany has just delivered heavy artillery from its own army stocks to Ukraine and has trained Ukrainian soldiers how to use it. This has got nothing to do with legitimate criticism anymore, the intention is clearly selling a certain narrative and omitting or twisting everything that doesn't fit.
    This crisis has been extremely revelatory in some ways, though not in the sense generally promoted by Western media.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow

    What have you gotten your knickers in a twist over this time?

    Oh, it is some more funny, somewhat vague and sometimes so-vague-it-is-inaccurate words, in a minor American magazine.

    An example of an amusing and harmless genre that German and French magazines actually specialise in, as regards the US.

    Don’t like it, don’t read it.

    It isn’t even particularly harsh, unless you count the mocking of German Catholics, and Scholz, as transgenderphiles as harsh? But then that does actually seem to be accurate.

    But don’t worry, I get it. You’ve seen the extreme craveness, passive aggression and general slave morality of modern Germany as laughable and pitiable as it is, but you’ve escaped association by pretending that it is America’s fault.

    But in reality, German guilt, and this pathetic German self-pity over their own sense of guilt, are both German self-impositions. At first, it was appropriate but then to became how you guys asserted your status. Your own little national narcissism.

    “I hate myself, because I am the worst, but I feel this way because of you, and that makes me a secret victim, so actually, in my passive aggression, I am the best! And you are the worst.”

    This is the Scholzian tendency in German politics and it is due a good and broad mocking. Every German should either laugh along, or be mocked about this stuff, until they see how funny it is, and how sad.

  717. @AP
    @Barbarossa


    Have you seen any of that on your end, or are you somewhat insulated at this point?
     
    Might be true of getting into med school, but not at the level of practice.

    The boards weed out people who aren't smart, so the ones working are actually smart, from my experience. The ones who are black are mostly from elite African backgrounds.

    Some states are relaxing standards for bar exams (future lawyers), which basically punishes clients who could previously count on a certain level of competence when they need representation. This isn't the case (yet) in medicine, standards remain high.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    but not at the level of practice

    That is reassuring, at least for the time being. He did say that it was also a disservice to the prospective medical students, since he could spot the ones who would fail from day one. Even the ones who are on a majority taxpayer ride get a lot of time and effort wasted and in many cases a substantial sum or their own money too. He must have been alluding to the fact that they get weeded out in the end, though he did seem apprehensive about standards in the future. Next time I see him I’ll have to ask if he is seeing policy changes coming down the pike.

    He did mention that it’s not just racial either, but also female and queer students getting the affirmative action treatment.

  718. A123 says: • Website
    @sher singh
    @A123

    The 2nd Amendment is based on Pagan Saxon traditions of carrying arms such as the Seax.
    No other christian country has preserved anything close to it

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/147470491501300114
    Dude you talk funny & wear glasses, your family tree is a Christmas wreath.

    Stop the charade,

    Replies: @A123

    The 2nd Amendment is based on Pagan Saxon traditions of carrying arms such as the Seax.

    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment is about shooting the British not ‘pagan tradition’. That was a very poor attempt at a diversion.

    Everyone noticed that you ducked the question about your HomoBJP. Should we start calling India “Cuck-ia” for its willingness to cower before Islam?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123


    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment
     
    This should, of course, read 1787.

    The U.S. Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation (1777-1787).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sher singh

  719. @A123
    @sher singh


    The 2nd Amendment is based on Pagan Saxon traditions of carrying arms such as the Seax.
     
    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment is about shooting the British not 'pagan tradition'. That was a very poor attempt at a diversion.

    Everyone noticed that you ducked the question about your HomoBJP. Should we start calling India "Cuck-ia" for its willingness to cower before Islam?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment

    This should, of course, read 1787.

    The U.S. Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation (1777-1787).

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @A123

    The second amendment grows out of the Levellers charter. The Bill of Rights itself grows from the charter the levellers cobbled together. The levellers wanted to be armed to resist the potential tyranny of the king and of his catholic minions in Ireland.

    Replies: @A123

    , @sher singh
    @A123

    The Saxons viewed being armed as the mark of freedmen. Nothing in the bible about it,
    Monotheist de-sacralising of violence is seen in how John Locke viewed war as without just cause or rules.

    This thinking ignores the lead up to violence, the root causes or social factors for why men fight.
    Heck, it ignores the concept of warriorship entirely which is the core problem of Abrahamic monotheism.

    Now run back to your jewish masters with the open wound on your dick faggot.

  720. @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead.
     
    Can't be, that's a satellite navigated rocket. Like GPS coordinates. Never misses. It's a propaganda operation.

    Horrible.
     
    Of course, can't quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.

    https://i.postimg.cc/3xhH6c63/Donetsk.jpg

    Pharisaic.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AP

    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/24/watch-failed-russian-missile-strikes-launch-site/

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.
     
    I concur.

    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock (to beat GPS Spoofing) are notoriously temperamental. If the target is obscured or already destroyed a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.

    Sometime advanced systems can go rogue for no readily apparent reason. In 2019, Syria managed to hit Cyprus with an S-200 (1).

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1147575/russia-news-israel-cyprus-s-200-missile-syria-putin-spt

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You can't be serious.


    The unverified video, from the Face Of War Telegram channel.
     
    Here is a verified video, from Donetsk, from about two weeks ago. They were shelling the city in the middle of the day.

    https://twitter.com/iamEavesdropper/status/1536578921940000768

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

  721. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    Come on you're smarter than that.

    I’ve been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression “this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil”.

    And I’ve been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.

    https://i.postimg.cc/65r1McXJ/Saint-Petersburg.jpg

    Don't think it reminds me so much of London either.

    https://i.postimg.cc/d1J8t2fd/London.jpg


    But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn’t only product of socialism.
     
    You might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn't have a baton, didn't have tear gas. A police state is in America.

    The Soviet police was polite.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Dmitry

    Police everywhere in the world deal mostly with crime and traffic. (I know some well.) That was the case in the old pre-1989 socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt. It is almost all ‘crime and traffic‘. There is an unhealthy politicization of police on all sides of the opinion spectrum.

    We also either live in a criminal state or in a police state (my over-statement for brevity!), that’s how it works, one or the other. Even the exceptions like Sweden are now sliding into more of a criminal state, unpunished crimes if the perpetrators are ‘special’.

    In the 1980’s Czech0-Slovakia police was low tech, almost invisible, and very, very lazy. There was a small group in the two capitol cities that harassed people who staged demos. They were usually polite and harmless: “just doing my job, sir” – “why are you making trouble, making work for us, go to a pub like everyone else” —- that’s from Vaclav Havel’s own memoirs.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge and Cannes, that’s the West baby, all of it is like that, fat and happy all the time! And see that black-and-white picture of a dump in some podunk Romanian village, that’s the totalitarian police state we have been telling you about. Beware!…They got the fat part right.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Beckow

    Hei we had so little crime before the end of the Union it was indeed like the police was invisible. And in Czehoslovakia it must have been a paradise.

    My experience in Romania in the late 80's was the same, the police was never seen. And in Yugoslavia, there was a policeman on the border – a polite, good looking person.

    Perhaps people were in general more kind.

    , @Dmitry
    @Beckow


    either live in a criminal state or in a police state
     
    That is not true. Most countries with lowest crime, also have the lowest imprisonment rates.

    Moreover, many countries with lowest imprisonment rates, do not need significant numbers of political prisoners, large network of prison camps or a situation where the secret police are one of the most powerful groups in society and politics. These are societies with better control of crime, which also have less police state.

    You will usually see correlation of lower imprisonment rates with lower mass surveillance and stronger movements for rights for citizens.

    https://www.apa.org/images/2014-10-incarceration-chart2_tcm7-176264_w1024_n.jpg


    socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt.
     
    Egypt has a powerful secret police, it's an example people would usually describe as "police state", although with military (rather than secret police) as the most powerful institution. While Brazil has one of the world's more militarized police, who are famous for executing people without trials.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge
     
    USSR has a police state, this is simply a fact, as also the Russian Empire.

    You can learn the history of Cheka, NKVD, KGB, Okhrana. Or you learn about the prison camps or who was working in Vorkuta?

    This is a reality of the society. There are positive aspects of life in the USSR for most people - it was better than previous or subsequent systems for the average person. And then there are less pleasant aspects of society, including for the minority of people who were repressed.

    On balance, the lifestyle was better than today for most of the population, and more convergent with the West in measures like economic development or life expectancy. But the USSR was not without both strong pluses and minuses. It was certainly more successful society than can be expected for the region according to historical standards, but neither somekind of unstained utopia lacking all negative aspects.

    , @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Police in "free" countries do not like protest, it seems to me. More work for them because of the remote chance the protest might get out of hand. If they or their superiors feel like it, you can get arrested (easier if you are in a small protest) or the police might throw riot gas canisters.
    It's fiction but there is a scene in Falling Down (1993) where a black guy protests against "not being economically viable". There is a certain irony, in that D-Fens (Michael Douglas) is nearby walking around with a gym bag of guns, but he is ignored.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oglIAdnJM&t=41s

    Replies: @Beckow

  722. @German_reader
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/stop-being-surprised-by-germany

    At this point this genre of Germany-bashing articles can only be described as outright lies, how else to explain such curious "omissions" as not even mentioning that Germany has just delivered heavy artillery from its own army stocks to Ukraine and has trained Ukrainian soldiers how to use it. This has got nothing to do with legitimate criticism anymore, the intention is clearly selling a certain narrative and omitting or twisting everything that doesn't fit.
    This crisis has been extremely revelatory in some ways, though not in the sense generally promoted by Western media.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow

    …this genre of Germany-bashing articles can only be described as outright lies, how else to explain such curious “omissions”

    They are enlarging the propaganda war, a common dynamic when one decides to go for the bleachers and fight to the end. Germany is insufficiently enthusiastic and possibly not fully reliable, so the verbal tsunami is unleashed.

    Russians claim that we are not observing Europeanization of Ukraine, but Ukrainization of Europe. It seems about right. An oasis never spreads, the desert does.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    You didn't read the article, did you?

    The beginning was a mild making fun of Germany, then it segued into very mild foreign policy criticism, both of which seem to have triggered German_Reader, so even he might not have read on, before it went into a long narrative explaining German suffering in WW2, after WW2, and how they should be sympathised with.

    Replies: @German_reader

  723. @Mikhail
    @AnonfromTN

    Recall the advice you gave me about interacting with such an individual.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Recall the advice you gave me about interacting with such an individual.

    You are right. Talking to a troll as if it’s a human makes as much sense as heart-to-heart conversation with a lamppost.

  724. @A123
    @A123


    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment
     
    This should, of course, read 1787.

    The U.S. Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation (1777-1787).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sher singh

    The second amendment grows out of the Levellers charter. The Bill of Rights itself grows from the charter the levellers cobbled together. The levellers wanted to be armed to resist the potential tyranny of the king and of his catholic minions in Ireland.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Wokechoke


    The second amendment grows out of the Levellers charter.
     
    Interesting. I know little about the Leveller Movement other than it was a short-lived predecessor to Libertarianism ~1640(?).

    The Founders were well read individuals. So, it is quite possible their documents had some impact. However, I doubt any of the critical American leaders were linked to Leveller ideology in any serious way. Neither geography nor timing works very well.

    PEACE 😇
  725. A123 says: • Website
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Here Be Dragon

    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/24/watch-failed-russian-missile-strikes-launch-site/

    Replies: @A123, @Here Be Dragon

    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.

    I concur.

    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock (to beat GPS Spoofing) are notoriously temperamental. If the target is obscured or already destroyed a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.

    Sometime advanced systems can go rogue for no readily apparent reason. In 2019, Syria managed to hit Cyprus with an S-200 (1).

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1147575/russia-news-israel-cyprus-s-200-missile-syria-putin-spt

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @A123

    Where do you get this kind of information from, son?


    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock are temperamental. If the target is obscured a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.
     
    What are these systems?

    The Russian missiles are satellite navigated, using their own GLONASS satellites.

    Sometime advanced systems can go rogue for no apparent reason. Syria managed to hit Cyprus with an S-200.
     
    The S-200 – an advanced system?

    It's from the late 60's and it's a surface to air missile. If it misses the target it has to fall somewhere, but it won't detonate.

    Replies: @A123

  726. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Here Be Dragon

    You've just made that up. Or you're unable to do basic comprehension. Either way, what is the point in talking with you? Obviously a household counts children as "persons.". You seem to have got the idea that it didn't because the definition of "a household" is people who live together and share expenses. It seems to be trying to avoid hostels from counting, by avoiding places where there is no unified electricity bill.

    Dependent children are obviously part of a household as they obviously share expenses. Or do you really think that the definition of a "household ' is now set up to exclude houses where children live who don't work?

    Hahaha.

    You're pointless. Like this murderous war you love.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @AP

    Soviets such as he are fundamentally dishonest people. Children don’t count as members of households (lol), IQ tests in different countries are based on a single universal norm (lol), America had no villages (lol), poor kids who are smart are unable to attend medical school in the USA because it’s expensive (lol), only a few hundred people engaged in corruption in the USSR (lol), etc.

    They grew up in a system of lies and this flexible approach to facts comes naturally to them.

    • Troll: Here Be Dragon
  727. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Why is it then constantly referred to as Russian aggression? Kiev has not recognized it. Something doesn’t add up here…
     
    Because it was sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Are you playing stupid or actually really are this stupid?

    You can say that about almost any aid receiving group: Ukraine, Poland, blacks in US…nothing unusual, it is done all over the world.
     
    No, you can't as those other groups don't have their own governments to which the tribute is paid, their own formal militias, their own formal territory and so much legal independence that they formally go around murdering homosexuals as part of their own governmental process. See my question above.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Because it was sovreign territory of Ukraine.

    Not any more.

    don’t have their own governments to which the tribute is paid

    Technicality. Have you seen the set-up blacks have in the big US cities? If that is not a tribute, what would be?

    they formally go around murdering homosexuals as part of their own governmental process.

    Interesting, I thought they only do it in Saudi Arabia.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Not any more.
     
    Which countries have recognised Russia's conquest of the Donbas?

    As far as I can see, only Russia, not even Belarus.

    Hahaha

    Technicality. Have you seen the set-up blacks have in the big US cities? If that is not a tribute, what would be?
     
    Charity.

    Interesting, I thought they only do it in Saudi Arabia.
     
    No, Saudi Arabia seems to have stopped that barbaric practice. Meanwhile, an official government in official Russia continues to do it.

    Iran seems to too. But nowhere else actually goes through with that punishment, perhaps except for some particularly backwards parts of Northern Nigeria and maybe the Taliban, when they're not off boy bothering themselves.

    Replies: @Beckow

  728. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    The shopping center was near some oil refinery and an engineering facility, so the charitable interpretation is that the Russians missed one of those and hit the center instead.
     
    Can't be, that's a satellite navigated rocket. Like GPS coordinates. Never misses. It's a propaganda operation.

    Horrible.
     
    Of course, can't quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.

    https://i.postimg.cc/3xhH6c63/Donetsk.jpg

    Pharisaic.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @AP

    Of course, can’t quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.

    Yes, it is horrible that Russia’s choice to get involved within Ukraine’s borders has resulted in people in Donetsk getting killed.

    Russia’s moves have led to disproportionately more deaths among Donbas people than among others. But since when have Soviets and neo-Soviets cared about those they consider their own?

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Excellent rabbinical logic.


    Russia’s choice to get involved within Ukraine’s borders has resulted in people in Donetsk getting killed.
     
    You keep ignoring that Ukraine had sent 75 thousand troops to the Donbas before the war, and was going to attack them first. Russia had to interfere.

    You keep ignoring that these people in Donetsk are not combatants.

    Russia’s moves have led to disproportionately more deaths among Donbas people than among others.
     
    Of course because that's where the fighting is.

    You are not a Ukrainian, so don't know how that is in Ukraine. Look at the map – the area in brown is where the ethnic Russian people live.

    https://i.postimg.cc/tCxff9pn/Ukraine.png

    The communist traitors transferred this area to Ukraine, and that's a historical mistake that has to be corrected. The borders can shift.

    People are more important than land, and it's up to them to decide what their homeland is, Russia or Ukraine.

    Replies: @AP

  729. A123 says: • Website
    @Wokechoke
    @A123

    The second amendment grows out of the Levellers charter. The Bill of Rights itself grows from the charter the levellers cobbled together. The levellers wanted to be armed to resist the potential tyranny of the king and of his catholic minions in Ireland.

    Replies: @A123

    The second amendment grows out of the Levellers charter.

    Interesting. I know little about the Leveller Movement other than it was a short-lived predecessor to Libertarianism ~1640(?).

    The Founders were well read individuals. So, it is quite possible their documents had some impact. However, I doubt any of the critical American leaders were linked to Leveller ideology in any serious way. Neither geography nor timing works very well.

    PEACE 😇

  730. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Here Be Dragon

    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/06/24/watch-failed-russian-missile-strikes-launch-site/

    Replies: @A123, @Here Be Dragon

    You can’t be serious.

    The unverified video, from the Face Of War Telegram channel.

    Here is a verified video, from Donetsk, from about two weeks ago. They were shelling the city in the middle of the day.

    https://twitter.com/iamEavesdropper/status/1536578921940000768

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Here Be Dragon

    I'm aware that Ukraine have been bombarding Donetsk for a long time.

  731. @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...a full-fledged military invasion of a country that is causing massive loss of innocent life and destruction.
     
    Yes, it is a real deal, the wars are like that, we just forgot. So some morons decided to provoke one.

    ...it doesn’t mean that it really was the best way to react to Ukraine’s and NATO’s actions
     
    What should they have done? Wait another 8 years? Or do nothing and be very soon confronted with a fully-armed Nato in Ukraine, with bases, weapons, etc...What was a better alternative?

    It wasn't the best way to react, but I am struggling to come up with anything better that would not eventually lead to more carnage. Nato in Ukraine would inevitably cause a bigger war, either Kiev would attack Donbas, or even Crimea, or the tensions with missiles pointing at each other with a 3-minute warning (the distance from Ukraine's border to Moscow) would lead to something.

    US decades ago faced a similar dilemma in Cuba when Soviets tried to move there. US acted uncompromisingly and risked a nuclear war to force Soviets out (in exchange for missiles in Turkey, but still). I am trying to imagine a nationalist Quebec (or Mexico) deciding that maybe a military alliance with Russia would be a cool thing and that Russian navy can visit Quebec City, talk about a "security treaty" and bases. What are the odds US or the rest of Canada would just sit and wait? Zero, they would invade and put an end to it.

    We are all shocked because Russia waited 8 years. They tried everything to offer a compromise - it was flatly rejected. A war is always a crime, but there are a lot of criminals involved in this one.

    Replies: @Mikel

    I am struggling to come up with anything better that would not eventually lead to more carnage.

    I fail to see such a dilemma. We are talking about hypotheticals versus the real horror of hundreds of people, often civilians on both sides of the front, being killed every day in a war that nobody knows how long will last.

    But, to use your own argument, if Russia has found itself in the “no-win situation” of having to cause the deaths of many thousands of troops, including its own, and a huge number of civilians, mostly Russophones, while becoming a pariah state with no real friends, it must be that Russia’s “decisions and ideals” were as misguided as Kiev’s.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikel


    ...must be that Russia’s “decisions and ideals” were as misguided as Kiev’s
     
    I agree, they are always confused and inactive for too long. But they are also much bigger and stronger allowing them to prevail no matter how bad they are in details. They will probably prevail this time too in their usual messy, bloody way.

    hypotheticals versus the real horror of hundreds of people, often civilians on both sides of the front, being killed every day in a war that nobody knows how long will last.
     
    First, civilians in Donbas were killed by Kiev before the war for 8 years, around 3k of them. This is a massive order-of-magnitude escalation, but not a strike out of the blue.

    The hypothetical that I described was based on what we know was almost inevitable: an attack by Kiev on Donbas or Crimea when they have built up a full Nato backing. And the extreme danger of Nato missiles and bases on Russia's border. The fact that Nato couldn't bring itself to even pretend to negotiate about it says it all: their plans were firm and unyielding. Look up the Cuban missile crisis for how US reacted in a similar situation.

    This war may have prevented a much worse catastrophe in a few years, but we will never know for sure. Nato will of course deny it. But they would, wouldn't they?

  732. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Nato invaded Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and in a half-way Syria. But you say that the cumulative millions who were killed in those Nato invasions died because “Nato likes to have access to real estate”. But Russia threatens and worse.
     
    I should've qualified this. I didn't say that NATO does not use force, but that this is NATO's approach vis a vis Eastern European countries (such as ours and what would also be the approach towards Ukraine under normal circumstances in a hypothetical scenario of a MAP). It happened so historically that during that period of time (after 1991) NATO became more of a "political" alliance, countries simply disarmed and didn't see the motivation to re-build the armaments (until recently). So for 15 years essentially (until 2014) there haven't been any significant buildups. Had the same scenario been repeated with Ukraine, it would also most likely be just small training operations. Ukraine had (still has) its own arms industry, its own air defense, a huge army, experience in live action, in fact more than what many NATO countries have. It's totally possible (and most likely true, as we see right now) that even this minimal level of communication was not acceptable for Russia (because rightly so -- we don't know where it could lead in 10-20 years). You yourself have stated over and over that Russia has an overwhelming advantage in that region.



    As to the current situation, it's not NATO as a bloc that's helping Ukraine, but separate countries, both individually and in various formats. Simultaneously, one can also argue that Ukraine is now a de facto NATO country because it's receiving unprecedented help from those countries (most are in NATO). Everything but the troops. One can even argue that this is what Article 5 may have looked like in action (Article 5 is very vague). Because the help is substantial. It looks like the US has made a long term commitment, and even though the Lend Lease has not yet kicked in (it's a very slow process), it's a very serious commitment (nothing of this sort has been done since WW2).

    Talk about Europe, friendship, being a “bridge”, etc… They could had lied or pretended. [..] Kiev miscalculated and that is the worst mistake
     
    I'm starting to think that it's not so much miscalculation as they simply can't be any different. Nobody can just give up their identity or lie it away like you're suggesting above. One can be more careful with their language, try to be more diplomatic, but why force people to be together if they don't want to be? Some senile politician can keep repeating that "we are one people" because that matches his ideological impulses and devious imperialistic objectives, but it doesn't change the objective differences in world views between these two peoples. A whole new generation has grown up, these young people don't want to live like Putin and Patrushev envision.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …but that this is NATO’s approach vis a vis Eastern European countries

    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country. Nato bombed and invaded Serbia to take away part of its territory. Then they built the biggest Nato base there. It dismantles your argument. Do you really not know this, or do you just pretend?

    not so much miscalculation as they simply can’t be any different. Nobody can just give up their identity or lie it away like you’re suggesting above.

    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don’t ban the Russian language, don’t bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion, don’t burn Russians in Odessa, don’t march with British ministers and weapons in sight of Crimea. Non-controversial easy things that have no impact on people’s true identity.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians and to genuflect in front of Nato bosses. And to never hear the hated Russian language. They did all of the above right after 2014 – the excuse that Russia started the war doesn’t count. 2014 was 8 years before 2022: the language ban was passed in February 2014 – a month before Crimea seceded.

    If the Ukie identity requires the things they did and they couldn’t even play it smart enough not to get into the mess, maybe it is not a very viable identity. What I suggested was both rational and doable, but the Kiev rulers acted in the opposite pathologically self-defeating way. I have no explanation for it, the story makes no sense.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country
     
    .

    Serbia is not a typical EE country in the sense that it is not aligned with the West. In that sense it is a special EE country that's different from others (Poland, Slovakia, et al). Ukraine after 2014 falls within the pro-Western category and it would be treated similarly as those countries, not like Serbia.


    It dismantles your argument.
     
    No, it doesn't. NATO did not build any significant bases in countries such as Poland, the Baltic States, etc. Up until now there haven't been any serious contingency plans and only now conversation has begun about switching to access denial (unfortunately, it took a Russian invasion of Ukraine to come to this basic understanding, that was careless). Ukraine even before February was more militarized than those EE NATO states. Because Ukraine built her own weapons. Without the Russian invasion, the hypothetical cooperation between Ukraine and NATO would be just as bland as with those others EE states (except Serbia). But, as I noted, even that would not be acceptable to Russia (so it doesn't change the big picture). Russia wouldn't wait until real bases are built in Ukraine and real militarization happens, in fact, Russia started this to prevent Ukraine's own, home grown militarization. It's just the consequence of this has been more NATO involvement (the opposite of what Russia tried to achieve).

    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.
     
    No. Please do not distort my words, do not make things up about what I know or ignore and please do not openly ignore what I said (blank outs again). I mentioned to you yesterday that "those people (eg., Donbas residents) are different", meaning they have their own identity. I told you that I have myself seen these people in my home country years ago, and that they dress differently than us (or even modern Russians). Some of them have the same clothing style that was used in the USSR in the late 1980s and then early 90s. That doesn't mean they should be attacked, much less murdered. I specifically told you that ideally they should have been left alone. I am perfectly aware that there are also young men on that side, who are being hurt because of this terrible dead end situation. There are tragic stories -- a boy who's parents were killed in 2014, 8 years later, turns 18 and joins the militia and is thrown into this hell. What a fate.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don’t ban the Russian language,
     
    One option would have been to gradually introduce bilingual education. Just so they feel at least some affinity to Ukraine. A lot of them are already bilingual (I have actually met refugees from Donbas, a Russophone woman who knew Ukrainian well, just didn't feel like using it daily). Language is not the only issue there. There are other issues, geopolitical orientation, view of history, etc. But even with that they could've just been left alone, let them celebrate what they want, just make sure the border is well guarded and there is no separatist militia operating there and no separatist ideologies floating around.

    don’t bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion,
     
    I've already said before that Ukraine was forced to defend itself from being carved up. I have often wondered why a special operation wasn't carried out before the hostilities started, there was a brief moment when this may have been possible (although there were those who claimed for years that a war is inevitable, no matter what) but apparently the territory is too big. A timely disarming of militia may or may not have been possible. Russian military is also a factor there.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians
     
    If Russians have genocidal goals towards their neighbors, then yes, they will be hated. Those are simply Laws of Nature, they can't be changed. Even less is required to hate someone - just their decade long condescending attitudes and threats are enough. That has nothing to do with the actual identity (that's a separate thing that's objective, Russia or no Russia, Ukrainian identity is not tied to Russia but it exists on its own).

    All this talk is useless in the context of what is happening right now when Russia is wiping out whole cities and terrorizing the civilian population at an unprecedented level (maybe only comparable to Grozny).

    Replies: @Sean, @Dmitry

  733. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...this genre of Germany-bashing articles can only be described as outright lies, how else to explain such curious “omissions”
     
    They are enlarging the propaganda war, a common dynamic when one decides to go for the bleachers and fight to the end. Germany is insufficiently enthusiastic and possibly not fully reliable, so the verbal tsunami is unleashed.

    Russians claim that we are not observing Europeanization of Ukraine, but Ukrainization of Europe. It seems about right. An oasis never spreads, the desert does.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You didn’t read the article, did you?

    The beginning was a mild making fun of Germany, then it segued into very mild foreign policy criticism, both of which seem to have triggered German_Reader, so even he might not have read on, before it went into a long narrative explaining German suffering in WW2, after WW2, and how they should be sympathised with.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I've read the entire article.
    There's of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the "Germans weren't punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War" kind (I certainly didn't detect any "sympathy"), but it's emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission - because America's fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn't raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn't forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It's really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

  734. @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon

    Police everywhere in the world deal mostly with crime and traffic. (I know some well.) That was the case in the old pre-1989 socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt. It is almost all 'crime and traffic'. There is an unhealthy politicization of police on all sides of the opinion spectrum.

    We also either live in a criminal state or in a police state (my over-statement for brevity!), that's how it works, one or the other. Even the exceptions like Sweden are now sliding into more of a criminal state, unpunished crimes if the perpetrators are 'special'.

    In the 1980's Czech0-Slovakia police was low tech, almost invisible, and very, very lazy. There was a small group in the two capitol cities that harassed people who staged demos. They were usually polite and harmless: "just doing my job, sir" - "why are you making trouble, making work for us, go to a pub like everyone else" ---- that's from Vaclav Havel's own memoirs.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge and Cannes, that's the West baby, all of it is like that, fat and happy all the time! And see that black-and-white picture of a dump in some podunk Romanian village, that's the totalitarian police state we have been telling you about. Beware!...They got the fat part right.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry, @Wielgus

    Hei we had so little crime before the end of the Union it was indeed like the police was invisible. And in Czehoslovakia it must have been a paradise.

    My experience in Romania in the late 80’s was the same, the police was never seen. And in Yugoslavia, there was a policeman on the border – a polite, good looking person.

    Perhaps people were in general more kind.

  735. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Because it was sovreign territory of Ukraine.
     
    Not any more.

    don’t have their own governments to which the tribute is paid
     
    Technicality. Have you seen the set-up blacks have in the big US cities? If that is not a tribute, what would be?

    they formally go around murdering homosexuals as part of their own governmental process.
     
    Interesting, I thought they only do it in Saudi Arabia.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Not any more.

    Which countries have recognised Russia’s conquest of the Donbas?

    As far as I can see, only Russia, not even Belarus.

    Hahaha

    Technicality. Have you seen the set-up blacks have in the big US cities? If that is not a tribute, what would be?

    Charity.

    Interesting, I thought they only do it in Saudi Arabia.

    No, Saudi Arabia seems to have stopped that barbaric practice. Meanwhile, an official government in official Russia continues to do it.

    Iran seems to too. But nowhere else actually goes through with that punishment, perhaps except for some particularly backwards parts of Northern Nigeria and maybe the Taliban, when they’re not off boy bothering themselves.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You hide behind badly defined terms: recognition, charity...

    There are 40-50 'not recognized' territorial disputes around the world, it literally means nothing.

    If you believe that tribute given to US large cities is just 'charity', why is it distributed through the governments in those cities? In any case, tribute or "charity", it is about the same when it is not voluntary.

    And too many "seems to" in your evasive response: Saudis seem not to, Iran seems to - you don't really know, do you? How convenient. As you don't know about Chechnia.

    Each case is different, your descriptions - as always - are breathless eager over-statements attacking those you don't like and pretending not to see faults among those you support. You are basically a fanatic. When you lose this war, you will find something else to be a fanatic about - maybe bomb Serbia again, or whatever. But rational analysis escapes you, you have too many agendas.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  736. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    You didn't read the article, did you?

    The beginning was a mild making fun of Germany, then it segued into very mild foreign policy criticism, both of which seem to have triggered German_Reader, so even he might not have read on, before it went into a long narrative explaining German suffering in WW2, after WW2, and how they should be sympathised with.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’ve read the entire article.
    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”), but it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It’s really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It’s really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.
     
    The Fake Stream Media lies to support Muslims above all others:

        • Islam hates MAGA so the media lies about Trump
        • Islam hates Israel so they always back the corrupt UN/NWO.
        • Islam wants the Christian vs. Christian war in Ukraine to continue. Thus, they lie about Germany.

    The Fake Stream Media bias in favour of SJW Islam has not changed. Germany is now different. Merkel's Welcome Rape-ugees policy disasters were greatly appreciated by Jihadist invaders and their media lackeys. Scholz has no such credentials.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”),
     
    I read the article as saying exactly the opposite. I have no idea how you got your ideas about it.

    So, to see where we disagree in our interpretation, I have gone to the effort of breaking the article down.

    In paragraph order, the main ideas are:

    1. Germans have a lot of self-pity.

    2, 3. German foreign policy is passive aggressive.

    4. Scholz and German Catholics are virtue-signaling transgenderphiles.

    5. Scholz's muddled approach to Ukraine seems mystifying.

    6. Actually it has solid reasons.

    7. Germany has economic interests.

    8. Germans make a reasonable case that Western sanctions will not stop the war, even if effective.

    9, 10. Germans are being rational.

    11. Americans are ignorant of Germany.

    12, 13, 14, 15. American treatment of Germany post-WW2 was cruel and only later kind out of self-interest.

    16, 17. The myth of American kindness is a myth, but was justified by its effectiveness.

    18, 19, 20. German success was pretty only because of traditional German institutions that even predated WW1.

    21 - 30. America continues to misunderstand that Germany is rational. American support for Ukraine is radical and may be wrong, but is probably good, but we must understand German reticence, because it is hardly an obviously good thing.

    So the first 1/6 is making fun of Germany, sort of. The next 1/6 says they are rational. The next 1/3 exposes American mythology around helping Germany as justifiable but self-serving, and sympathises with German suffering. The final third is basically a nuanced take on Ukraine and the German position.

    Honestly, I believe you were too triggered by the fact that Jews wrote the article, and the first 1/6, to even begin to understand what the article was about.

    And I imagine this type of knee-jerk covert hysteria dominates your consumption of media, leading to you getting a very one-sided impression of what is written and confirming your ever-more alienated biases every time.

    I don't think you're in the full mindf*cked by Russian propaganda hole that many other people are here are stuck in, but I do think you are not recognising your patterns at all. Perhaps you'll just discount this post or find some whatabout to deflect to, or some excuse for why you shouldn't reflect on it, or perhaps you'll be interested as to how you could have gotten something so wrong, and desire to work it out so that you don't do it again in the future? And even feel curious as to how that has effected your past decision-making and worldview?

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @S
    @German_reader


    ...it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
     
    Germany is a vassal state of the US/UK and in that condition is only just short of being an outright automaton. If the US/UK is upset about Germany's present course of action, it only has to look to itself, as they created modern 'Germany'.

    The United States should of stayed out of both world wars. It made an already bad situation infinitely worse.

    Besides that, in each instance it's what the majority of the people of the United States had expressly wanted, ie to stay out, but were ignored.

    https://youtu.be/Rr8ljRgcJNM

    Replies: @216

  737. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    How did it manage to do that? I live in the US since 1991, see imperial propaganda every day, look up British sites and see the same lies. I know they are lies because I grew up in Donbass and get my info from the people who actually live there.
     
    I haven't noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I'd be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you? Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I haven’t noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.

    Thanks! I did not post anything because I was reluctant to be on the website where somebody like “Rashes” personage is present. Maybe I was overly fastidious.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I’d be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you?

    No, I haven’t looked at the documents, as I have no way of checking their authenticity. In general, I see nothing implausible in those claims: the US runs biolabs working on bioweapons all over the world, so why not on the territory controlled by stupid obedient puppets that happens to be so close to Russia. I guess that was one of the reasons of masterminding 2014 coup in Kiev.

    Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?

    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman, but terrorists are apparently too dumb to manage mass production of disease-causing microorganisms without killing themselves. This is not an easy task, it requires high professionalism and proper protected facilities, whereas a standard terrorist is a religious nut, which means low IQ and very limited skill one can acquire w/o brains.

    Purely theoretically migratory birds can serve as a delivery vehicle, but they would spread the disease everywhere, including the place of launch. In case of Ukraine that won’t bother the empire much, as the masters see Ukrainians as disposable aborigines, but the geography of the resulting epidemic would inevitably betray the point of launch, thus implicating servants, and therefore masters.

    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US “elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AnonfromTN


    This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze, but terrorists are too dumb to manage mass production of microorganisms without killing themselves.
     
    You indeed consider that it's a problem for a state to find a kamikaze?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    , @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US “elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.
     
    Well, I certainly don't disagree with you about that...

    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman
     
    However, I'm not sure about this. I think it greatly depends upon the particular nature of the bioweapon being deployed. For example, here's a comment with my scenario regarding the delivery of the hypothetical Covid bioweapon, which only has a 0.5-1% fatality rate and is extremely skewed based upon age and other health problems:

    I’m hardly a biowarfare expert, but I very much doubt that. America has spent $100 billion over the years developing bioweapons, and I’m sure at least a little of that money was allocated to producing lots of surreptitious release-devices, perhaps along the lines of the ones in James Bond films.

    Perhaps the entire viral load was just contained in a couple of simple spray-devices, such as an asthma inhalers, and just casually sprayed onto various surfaces or confined locations by the operatives while they were sightseeing around Wuhan along with the thousands of other foreign military visitors. The food stalls of that Seafood Market that was one of the early epicenters of the outbreak might have been among the targets. Or maybe the devices could be left somewhere with a timed-release mechanism.

    Remember, we’re not talking about some deadly nerve gas, just an undetectable virus whose release wouldn’t be noticed by anyone for six or seven weeks, until large numbers of individuals began to feel a little sick. And the operatives were young and healthy, so they themselves would have had a 0% chance of dying even if they were careless enough to accidentally infect themselves, though I’d assume they washed their hands pretty thoroughly and might even have been isolated once they got back to the US. Keep in mind, Covid isn’t an anti-personnel bioweapon, it’s an anti-economy bioweapon

    When you spend seventy years and $100 billion creating the world’s largest biowarfare program, I assume you’ve developed all sorts of training exercises and standard protocols for this sort of situation.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should read the discussion we published in early 2020 by a retired 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/podcast-interview-geopolitics-empire/#comment-5164130

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

  738. @Thulean Friend
    @Mikel


    I could have possibly supported a limited military action aimed at ending the bombing by Ukraine of Donbass civilians areas or even the establishment of Western military bases in Ukraine but that is all moot now.
     
    Given that the bulk of Ukraine's best-trained troops are in the Donbass, it was never realistic to expect a "limited operation" to stay contained there. Ukraine could never accept its best just being slaughtered without any form of escalation. It would be an unsustainable situation for any leader sitting in Kiev.

    Russia, for its part, would inevitably have to strike ammo depots, foreign mercenary bases all over Ukraine just like they are now, in order to maximise efficiency and to prevent reinforcements from the West reaching the frontlines. That in turn would almost certainly escalate the war.

    Putin knew this, which is why he dithered for so long and let the Donbass LPR hang out to dry for years. Once he committed to Donbass, it was going to be a war for the entire country.

    Replies: @Mikel

    Given that the bulk of Ukraine’s best-trained troops are in the Donbass, it was never realistic to expect a “limited operation” to stay contained there.

    Yes, probably, although in the end that’s where Russia has had to concentrate its military machine. It would have probably been better for them to focus on Donbass from the very beginning.

    But what all this shows is that Russia shouldn’t have waited for 8 years to rescue the people of Donbass if that was their goal. Once the consequences of your action are going to be worse than the evil you’re trying to fight, you just don’t go ahead with that action. That’s how we all behave as moral individuals.

    On the other hand, if the true goal of all this carnage is to restore Russia’s pride, as Aether suggests, then, quite frankly, fuck their feelings.

    Unfortunately, reading Russian sources, which have become essential to know what is really going on (such is the deplorable state of Western media), I get the impression that that is what this all boils down to: Russians acting up because of their hurt feelings.

  739. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Rockets occasionally fail or go astray. Quite a few examples in this war.
     
    I concur.

    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock (to beat GPS Spoofing) are notoriously temperamental. If the target is obscured or already destroyed a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.

    Sometime advanced systems can go rogue for no readily apparent reason. In 2019, Syria managed to hit Cyprus with an S-200 (1).

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1147575/russia-news-israel-cyprus-s-200-missile-syria-putin-spt

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Where do you get this kind of information from, son?

    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock are temperamental. If the target is obscured a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.

    What are these systems?

    The Russian missiles are satellite navigated, using their own GLONASS satellites.

    Sometime advanced systems can go rogue for no apparent reason. Syria managed to hit Cyprus with an S-200.

    The S-200 – an advanced system?

    It’s from the late 60’s and it’s a surface to air missile. If it misses the target it has to fall somewhere, but it won’t detonate.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Here Be Dragon



    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock are temperamental. If the target is obscured a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.
     
    What are these systems?

    The Russian missiles are satellite navigated, using their own GLONASS satellites
     

    I believe the most common bomb variant goes by the prefix KAB. A closely related, but much more autonomous, package can be placed on a subsonic cruise missile. I do not know the prefix of the top of head.

    Russian GPS (a.k.a. GLONASS) can be spoofed. All satellite geopositoning systems are relatively low power and share this weakness. Tri-axis ring lasers can provide high accuracy inertial guidance, but this is quite expensive.


    The S-200 – an advanced system? It’s from the late 60’s

     

    It is quite obvious from the context that "advanced" was versus "dumb" munitions.

    Would you agree the S-200 is considerably more advanced than unguided munitions, such as Katyusha rockets?

    PEACE 😇

  740. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I've read the entire article.
    There's of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the "Germans weren't punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War" kind (I certainly didn't detect any "sympathy"), but it's emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission - because America's fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn't raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn't forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It's really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It’s really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.

    The Fake Stream Media lies to support Muslims above all others:

        • Islam hates MAGA so the media lies about Trump
        • Islam hates Israel so they always back the corrupt UN/NWO.
        • Islam wants the Christian vs. Christian war in Ukraine to continue. Thus, they lie about Germany.

    The Fake Stream Media bias in favour of SJW Islam has not changed. Germany is now different. Merkel’s Welcome Rape-ugees policy disasters were greatly appreciated by Jihadist invaders and their media lackeys. Scholz has no such credentials.

    PEACE 😇

  741. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I've read the entire article.
    There's of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the "Germans weren't punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War" kind (I certainly didn't detect any "sympathy"), but it's emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission - because America's fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn't raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn't forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It's really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”),

    I read the article as saying exactly the opposite. I have no idea how you got your ideas about it.

    So, to see where we disagree in our interpretation, I have gone to the effort of breaking the article down.

    In paragraph order, the main ideas are:

    1. Germans have a lot of self-pity.

    2, 3. German foreign policy is passive aggressive.

    4. Scholz and German Catholics are virtue-signaling transgenderphiles.

    5. Scholz’s muddled approach to Ukraine seems mystifying.

    6. Actually it has solid reasons.

    7. Germany has economic interests.

    8. Germans make a reasonable case that Western sanctions will not stop the war, even if effective.

    9, 10. Germans are being rational.

    11. Americans are ignorant of Germany.

    12, 13, 14, 15. American treatment of Germany post-WW2 was cruel and only later kind out of self-interest.

    16, 17. The myth of American kindness is a myth, but was justified by its effectiveness.

    18, 19, 20. German success was pretty only because of traditional German institutions that even predated WW1.

    21 – 30. America continues to misunderstand that Germany is rational. American support for Ukraine is radical and may be wrong, but is probably good, but we must understand German reticence, because it is hardly an obviously good thing.

    So the first 1/6 is making fun of Germany, sort of. The next 1/6 says they are rational. The next 1/3 exposes American mythology around helping Germany as justifiable but self-serving, and sympathises with German suffering. The final third is basically a nuanced take on Ukraine and the German position.

    Honestly, I believe you were too triggered by the fact that Jews wrote the article, and the first 1/6, to even begin to understand what the article was about.

    And I imagine this type of knee-jerk covert hysteria dominates your consumption of media, leading to you getting a very one-sided impression of what is written and confirming your ever-more alienated biases every time.

    I don’t think you’re in the full mindf*cked by Russian propaganda hole that many other people are here are stuck in, but I do think you are not recognising your patterns at all. Perhaps you’ll just discount this post or find some whatabout to deflect to, or some excuse for why you shouldn’t reflect on it, or perhaps you’ll be interested as to how you could have gotten something so wrong, and desire to work it out so that you don’t do it again in the future? And even feel curious as to how that has effected your past decision-making and worldview?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I have no idea how you got your ideas about it.
     
    That probably indicates some deficiency on your part, I just know more than you and am more intelligent, so I see things you don't.
    And what really triggered me about the article wasn't the Jewishness of its author, but the tendentious (and imo deliberate) omissions and distortions about weapons shipments. No mention at all of the recent Panzerhaubitzen 2000 delivery. Also other issues, e. g. as far as I know Ukraine did request the Gepard anti-air tanks which are set to be delivered in July, and the claim "there isn't any ammo for it" also is dubious. There's almost 60 000 shot for it, claims this isn't much is based on a simplistic interpretation of its rate of fire per minute. According to military experts I've heard 5-6 shots are sufficient to destroy a target. The real issue is that these tanks are a complex system, and the three weeks training Ukrainian soldiers get on it isn't much.
    But anyway, articles like the one I cited clearly aren't about factual reporting, but about selling a specific narrative. More generally, Anglophone reporting on Germany is universally pathetic, almost completely worthless to actually understand anything about the country. Which makes me wonder what kind of nonsense journos are telling about other countries without me realizing it.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  742. @Mikel
    @Beckow


    I am struggling to come up with anything better that would not eventually lead to more carnage.
     
    I fail to see such a dilemma. We are talking about hypotheticals versus the real horror of hundreds of people, often civilians on both sides of the front, being killed every day in a war that nobody knows how long will last.

    But, to use your own argument, if Russia has found itself in the "no-win situation" of having to cause the deaths of many thousands of troops, including its own, and a huge number of civilians, mostly Russophones, while becoming a pariah state with no real friends, it must be that Russia's "decisions and ideals" were as misguided as Kiev's.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …must be that Russia’s “decisions and ideals” were as misguided as Kiev’s

    I agree, they are always confused and inactive for too long. But they are also much bigger and stronger allowing them to prevail no matter how bad they are in details. They will probably prevail this time too in their usual messy, bloody way.

    hypotheticals versus the real horror of hundreds of people, often civilians on both sides of the front, being killed every day in a war that nobody knows how long will last.

    First, civilians in Donbas were killed by Kiev before the war for 8 years, around 3k of them. This is a massive order-of-magnitude escalation, but not a strike out of the blue.

    The hypothetical that I described was based on what we know was almost inevitable: an attack by Kiev on Donbas or Crimea when they have built up a full Nato backing. And the extreme danger of Nato missiles and bases on Russia’s border. The fact that Nato couldn’t bring itself to even pretend to negotiate about it says it all: their plans were firm and unyielding. Look up the Cuban missile crisis for how US reacted in a similar situation.

    This war may have prevented a much worse catastrophe in a few years, but we will never know for sure. Nato will of course deny it. But they would, wouldn’t they?

  743. @Here Be Dragon
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You can't be serious.


    The unverified video, from the Face Of War Telegram channel.
     
    Here is a verified video, from Donetsk, from about two weeks ago. They were shelling the city in the middle of the day.

    https://twitter.com/iamEavesdropper/status/1536578921940000768

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I’m aware that Ukraine have been bombarding Donetsk for a long time.

  744. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Of course, can’t quite remember seeing a horrible comment regarding the shelling of Donetsk.
     
    Yes, it is horrible that Russia’s choice to get involved within Ukraine’s borders has resulted in people in Donetsk getting killed.

    Russia’s moves have led to disproportionately more deaths among Donbas people than among others. But since when have Soviets and neo-Soviets cared about those they consider their own?

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Excellent rabbinical logic.

    Russia’s choice to get involved within Ukraine’s borders has resulted in people in Donetsk getting killed.

    You keep ignoring that Ukraine had sent 75 thousand troops to the Donbas before the war, and was going to attack them first. Russia had to interfere.

    You keep ignoring that these people in Donetsk are not combatants.

    Russia’s moves have led to disproportionately more deaths among Donbas people than among others.

    Of course because that’s where the fighting is.

    You are not a Ukrainian, so don’t know how that is in Ukraine. Look at the map – the area in brown is where the ethnic Russian people live.

    The communist traitors transferred this area to Ukraine, and that’s a historical mistake that has to be corrected. The borders can shift.

    People are more important than land, and it’s up to them to decide what their homeland is, Russia or Ukraine.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    You keep ignoring that Ukraine had sent 75 thousand troops to the Donbas before the war, and was going to attack them first. Russia had to interfere.
     
    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014.

    And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia simply formally annexed it.

    Look at the map – the area in brown is where the ethnic Russian people live.
     
    Ethnic Russians live all over the world. Your implication that these are ethnic Russian majority areas is dishonest, as usual. These are simply Russian language areas. Other than in Crimea and parts of Donbas they are majority Ukrainian.

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level of dishonesty.

    The communist traitors transferred this area to Ukraine, and that’s a historical mistake that has to be corrected

     

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR and never gifted by the Soviets, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian by the Germans.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  745. A123 says: • Website
    @Here Be Dragon
    @A123

    Where do you get this kind of information from, son?


    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock are temperamental. If the target is obscured a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.
     
    What are these systems?

    The Russian missiles are satellite navigated, using their own GLONASS satellites.

    Sometime advanced systems can go rogue for no apparent reason. Syria managed to hit Cyprus with an S-200.
     
    The S-200 – an advanced system?

    It's from the late 60's and it's a surface to air missile. If it misses the target it has to fall somewhere, but it won't detonate.

    Replies: @A123

    Systems that use cameras for a final visual lock are temperamental. If the target is obscured a poor set-up will let the weapon roam substantial distances looking for a target that provides a matching building outline.

    What are these systems?

    The Russian missiles are satellite navigated, using their own GLONASS satellites

    I believe the most common bomb variant goes by the prefix KAB. A closely related, but much more autonomous, package can be placed on a subsonic cruise missile. I do not know the prefix of the top of head.

    Russian GPS (a.k.a. GLONASS) can be spoofed. All satellite geopositoning systems are relatively low power and share this weakness. Tri-axis ring lasers can provide high accuracy inertial guidance, but this is quite expensive.

    The S-200 – an advanced system? It’s from the late 60’s

    It is quite obvious from the context that “advanced” was versus “dumb” munitions.

    Would you agree the S-200 is considerably more advanced than unguided munitions, such as Katyusha rockets?

    PEACE 😇

  746. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    Come on you're smarter than that.

    I’ve been in Knightsbridge, Luxembourg, Menton, et al, and I generally not my first impression “this reminds me so much of Nizhny Tagil”.

    And I’ve been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.

    https://i.postimg.cc/65r1McXJ/Saint-Petersburg.jpg

    Don't think it reminds me so much of London either.

    https://i.postimg.cc/d1J8t2fd/London.jpg


    But there was plenty of police state until its end. Although there is still police state now, so this isn’t only product of socialism.
     
    You might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn't have a baton, didn't have tear gas. A police state is in America.

    The Soviet police was polite.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Dmitry

    been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.

    Central Moscow or photos of Hermitage has no relation to lifestyle in the USSR, unless you want to know where they are nowadays wasting money polishing every street tile in the 21st century.

    Neither Tate Modern in London has much connection to the normal life of the United Kingdom. But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.

    might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn’t have a baton, didn’t have tear gas. A police state

    And neither in North Korea. But it was a police state, by any definitions.

    Secret police is one of the most powerful element in the society, and the revolutionary authorities refortify them immediately from the 1920s, so there will not be further revolutions. They expanded the systems, which were already a highly repressive police state before the revolution.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s.

    When the secret police is one of the most prioritized institutions in the country, it looks like. The most impressive building project of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.

    A police state is in America.

    It’s not a contrast but a continuity. America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state, which are well known.

    In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however. There can be more similarities than differences in this area, as there is overlap in this area on both sides of the Cold War, of the over-powerful, security state.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    You are talking propaganda now.


    But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.
     
    Russia is not that much different from the UK in that respect. The index of inequality is 37.5 for the RF and 34.8 for the UK, and 41.4 for the US.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s. The most impressive building of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.
     
    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD was no more secret than FBI, and it wasn't the police. Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.

    https://i.postimg.cc/y6njPPxG/Iset-Hotel.jpg

    Constructivist architecture.

    America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state. In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however.
     
    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than in the US.

    Here is The New York Times in 1991.

    More than one million Americans are in jail or prison, either awaiting trial or serving time, the report said. It said that 426 of every 100,000 residents of the United States are incarcerated.

    The Soviet Union ranks third in overall incarceration with 268 per 100,000 residents.
     
    Now the rate in the US is 629, and in the RF 326.

    U.S. Has Highest Rate of Imprisonment in World
    https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/07/us/us-has-highest-rate-of-imprisonment-in-world.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @AP

  747. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    I haven’t noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.
     
    Thanks! I did not post anything because I was reluctant to be on the website where somebody like “Rashes” personage is present. Maybe I was overly fastidious.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I’d be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you?
     
    No, I haven’t looked at the documents, as I have no way of checking their authenticity. In general, I see nothing implausible in those claims: the US runs biolabs working on bioweapons all over the world, so why not on the territory controlled by stupid obedient puppets that happens to be so close to Russia. I guess that was one of the reasons of masterminding 2014 coup in Kiev.

    Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?
     
    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman, but terrorists are apparently too dumb to manage mass production of disease-causing microorganisms without killing themselves. This is not an easy task, it requires high professionalism and proper protected facilities, whereas a standard terrorist is a religious nut, which means low IQ and very limited skill one can acquire w/o brains.

    Purely theoretically migratory birds can serve as a delivery vehicle, but they would spread the disease everywhere, including the place of launch. In case of Ukraine that won’t bother the empire much, as the masters see Ukrainians as disposable aborigines, but the geography of the resulting epidemic would inevitably betray the point of launch, thus implicating servants, and therefore masters.

    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US "elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Ron Unz

    This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze, but terrorists are too dumb to manage mass production of microorganisms without killing themselves.

    You indeed consider that it’s a problem for a state to find a kamikaze?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon

    A smart enough kamikaze could be a problem. The states usually work through a third party intermediary, a really-devoted NGO type is ideal, but they are also too stupid.

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Here Be Dragon


    You indeed consider that it’s a problem for a state to find a kamikaze?
     
    So far it was. Those acting for states tend to do whatever they are asked for money and/or other kudos. Even religious nuts know that you can enjoy your wealth only as long as you are alive – gods do not take bribes.
  748. @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon

    Police everywhere in the world deal mostly with crime and traffic. (I know some well.) That was the case in the old pre-1989 socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt. It is almost all 'crime and traffic'. There is an unhealthy politicization of police on all sides of the opinion spectrum.

    We also either live in a criminal state or in a police state (my over-statement for brevity!), that's how it works, one or the other. Even the exceptions like Sweden are now sliding into more of a criminal state, unpunished crimes if the perpetrators are 'special'.

    In the 1980's Czech0-Slovakia police was low tech, almost invisible, and very, very lazy. There was a small group in the two capitol cities that harassed people who staged demos. They were usually polite and harmless: "just doing my job, sir" - "why are you making trouble, making work for us, go to a pub like everyone else" ---- that's from Vaclav Havel's own memoirs.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge and Cannes, that's the West baby, all of it is like that, fat and happy all the time! And see that black-and-white picture of a dump in some podunk Romanian village, that's the totalitarian police state we have been telling you about. Beware!...They got the fat part right.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry, @Wielgus

    either live in a criminal state or in a police state

    That is not true. Most countries with lowest crime, also have the lowest imprisonment rates.

    Moreover, many countries with lowest imprisonment rates, do not need significant numbers of political prisoners, large network of prison camps or a situation where the secret police are one of the most powerful groups in society and politics. These are societies with better control of crime, which also have less police state.

    You will usually see correlation of lower imprisonment rates with lower mass surveillance and stronger movements for rights for citizens.

    socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt.

    Egypt has a powerful secret police, it’s an example people would usually describe as “police state”, although with military (rather than secret police) as the most powerful institution. While Brazil has one of the world’s more militarized police, who are famous for executing people without trials.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge

    USSR has a police state, this is simply a fact, as also the Russian Empire.

    You can learn the history of Cheka, NKVD, KGB, Okhrana. Or you learn about the prison camps or who was working in Vorkuta?

    This is a reality of the society. There are positive aspects of life in the USSR for most people – it was better than previous or subsequent systems for the average person. And then there are less pleasant aspects of society, including for the minority of people who were repressed.

    On balance, the lifestyle was better than today for most of the population, and more convergent with the West in measures like economic development or life expectancy. But the USSR was not without both strong pluses and minuses. It was certainly more successful society than can be expected for the region according to historical standards, but neither somekind of unstained utopia lacking all negative aspects.

  749. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow


    Not any more.
     
    Which countries have recognised Russia's conquest of the Donbas?

    As far as I can see, only Russia, not even Belarus.

    Hahaha

    Technicality. Have you seen the set-up blacks have in the big US cities? If that is not a tribute, what would be?
     
    Charity.

    Interesting, I thought they only do it in Saudi Arabia.
     
    No, Saudi Arabia seems to have stopped that barbaric practice. Meanwhile, an official government in official Russia continues to do it.

    Iran seems to too. But nowhere else actually goes through with that punishment, perhaps except for some particularly backwards parts of Northern Nigeria and maybe the Taliban, when they're not off boy bothering themselves.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You hide behind badly defined terms: recognition, charity…

    There are 40-50 ‘not recognized‘ territorial disputes around the world, it literally means nothing.

    If you believe that tribute given to US large cities is just ‘charity’, why is it distributed through the governments in those cities? In any case, tribute or “charity”, it is about the same when it is not voluntary.

    And too many “seems to” in your evasive response: Saudis seem not to, Iran seems to – you don’t really know, do you? How convenient. As you don’t know about Chechnia.

    Each case is different, your descriptions – as always – are breathless eager over-statements attacking those you don’t like and pretending not to see faults among those you support. You are basically a fanatic. When you lose this war, you will find something else to be a fanatic about – maybe bomb Serbia again, or whatever. But rational analysis escapes you, you have too many agendas.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    If I am to believe you, I need to see, as completely unimportant, the fact that not a single other country has recognised Russia's annexation of the Donbas.

    I also need to believe that money distributed through government can never be charitable.

    And I need to not see your following confused rant, especially as it comes right after you going apoplectic because I wrote in a nuanced fashion, as just you talking to yourself:

    Each case is different, your descriptions – as always – are breathless eager over-statements attacking those you don’t like and pretending not to see faults among those you support. You are basically a fanatic. When you lose this war, you will find something else to be a fanatic about – maybe bomb (insert country) again, or whatever. But rational analysis escapes you, you have too many agendas.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  750. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader


    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”),
     
    I read the article as saying exactly the opposite. I have no idea how you got your ideas about it.

    So, to see where we disagree in our interpretation, I have gone to the effort of breaking the article down.

    In paragraph order, the main ideas are:

    1. Germans have a lot of self-pity.

    2, 3. German foreign policy is passive aggressive.

    4. Scholz and German Catholics are virtue-signaling transgenderphiles.

    5. Scholz's muddled approach to Ukraine seems mystifying.

    6. Actually it has solid reasons.

    7. Germany has economic interests.

    8. Germans make a reasonable case that Western sanctions will not stop the war, even if effective.

    9, 10. Germans are being rational.

    11. Americans are ignorant of Germany.

    12, 13, 14, 15. American treatment of Germany post-WW2 was cruel and only later kind out of self-interest.

    16, 17. The myth of American kindness is a myth, but was justified by its effectiveness.

    18, 19, 20. German success was pretty only because of traditional German institutions that even predated WW1.

    21 - 30. America continues to misunderstand that Germany is rational. American support for Ukraine is radical and may be wrong, but is probably good, but we must understand German reticence, because it is hardly an obviously good thing.

    So the first 1/6 is making fun of Germany, sort of. The next 1/6 says they are rational. The next 1/3 exposes American mythology around helping Germany as justifiable but self-serving, and sympathises with German suffering. The final third is basically a nuanced take on Ukraine and the German position.

    Honestly, I believe you were too triggered by the fact that Jews wrote the article, and the first 1/6, to even begin to understand what the article was about.

    And I imagine this type of knee-jerk covert hysteria dominates your consumption of media, leading to you getting a very one-sided impression of what is written and confirming your ever-more alienated biases every time.

    I don't think you're in the full mindf*cked by Russian propaganda hole that many other people are here are stuck in, but I do think you are not recognising your patterns at all. Perhaps you'll just discount this post or find some whatabout to deflect to, or some excuse for why you shouldn't reflect on it, or perhaps you'll be interested as to how you could have gotten something so wrong, and desire to work it out so that you don't do it again in the future? And even feel curious as to how that has effected your past decision-making and worldview?

    Replies: @German_reader

    I have no idea how you got your ideas about it.

    That probably indicates some deficiency on your part, I just know more than you and am more intelligent, so I see things you don’t.
    And what really triggered me about the article wasn’t the Jewishness of its author, but the tendentious (and imo deliberate) omissions and distortions about weapons shipments. No mention at all of the recent Panzerhaubitzen 2000 delivery. Also other issues, e. g. as far as I know Ukraine did request the Gepard anti-air tanks which are set to be delivered in July, and the claim “there isn’t any ammo for it” also is dubious. There’s almost 60 000 shot for it, claims this isn’t much is based on a simplistic interpretation of its rate of fire per minute. According to military experts I’ve heard 5-6 shots are sufficient to destroy a target. The real issue is that these tanks are a complex system, and the three weeks training Ukrainian soldiers get on it isn’t much.
    But anyway, articles like the one I cited clearly aren’t about factual reporting, but about selling a specific narrative. More generally, Anglophone reporting on Germany is universally pathetic, almost completely worthless to actually understand anything about the country. Which makes me wonder what kind of nonsense journos are telling about other countries without me realizing it.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    You said there was the following in the article:

    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”), but it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism)

    But there's literally none of this. Instead, it argues the exact opposite. Is pretending that your outrage is because of a potential mistake about a particular weapon system really the best you can do? Do you believe yourself? Are you not surely laughing as you type?

    Replies: @German_reader

  751. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Excellent rabbinical logic.


    Russia’s choice to get involved within Ukraine’s borders has resulted in people in Donetsk getting killed.
     
    You keep ignoring that Ukraine had sent 75 thousand troops to the Donbas before the war, and was going to attack them first. Russia had to interfere.

    You keep ignoring that these people in Donetsk are not combatants.

    Russia’s moves have led to disproportionately more deaths among Donbas people than among others.
     
    Of course because that's where the fighting is.

    You are not a Ukrainian, so don't know how that is in Ukraine. Look at the map – the area in brown is where the ethnic Russian people live.

    https://i.postimg.cc/tCxff9pn/Ukraine.png

    The communist traitors transferred this area to Ukraine, and that's a historical mistake that has to be corrected. The borders can shift.

    People are more important than land, and it's up to them to decide what their homeland is, Russia or Ukraine.

    Replies: @AP

    You keep ignoring that Ukraine had sent 75 thousand troops to the Donbas before the war, and was going to attack them first. Russia had to interfere.

    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014.

    And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia simply formally annexed it.

    Look at the map – the area in brown is where the ethnic Russian people live.

    Ethnic Russians live all over the world. Your implication that these are ethnic Russian majority areas is dishonest, as usual. These are simply Russian language areas. Other than in Crimea and parts of Donbas they are majority Ukrainian.

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level of dishonesty.

    The communist traitors transferred this area to Ukraine, and that’s a historical mistake that has to be corrected

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR and never gifted by the Soviets, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian by the Germans.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.
     
    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.

    Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas.
     
    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.
     
    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.
     
    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century. You may want to revisit that conversation. You have certainly forgotten that you were wrong.

    And you are wrong now, the same way.

    An attempt of independence isn't independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years, during the civil war, and never was an independent state. Declarations and proclamations don't mean anything. They are papers.

    The Germans had nothing to do with the borders of the Ukrainian Socialist Republic.

    Replies: @AP

  752. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    I have no idea how you got your ideas about it.
     
    That probably indicates some deficiency on your part, I just know more than you and am more intelligent, so I see things you don't.
    And what really triggered me about the article wasn't the Jewishness of its author, but the tendentious (and imo deliberate) omissions and distortions about weapons shipments. No mention at all of the recent Panzerhaubitzen 2000 delivery. Also other issues, e. g. as far as I know Ukraine did request the Gepard anti-air tanks which are set to be delivered in July, and the claim "there isn't any ammo for it" also is dubious. There's almost 60 000 shot for it, claims this isn't much is based on a simplistic interpretation of its rate of fire per minute. According to military experts I've heard 5-6 shots are sufficient to destroy a target. The real issue is that these tanks are a complex system, and the three weeks training Ukrainian soldiers get on it isn't much.
    But anyway, articles like the one I cited clearly aren't about factual reporting, but about selling a specific narrative. More generally, Anglophone reporting on Germany is universally pathetic, almost completely worthless to actually understand anything about the country. Which makes me wonder what kind of nonsense journos are telling about other countries without me realizing it.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You said there was the following in the article:

    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”), but it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism)

    But there’s literally none of this. Instead, it argues the exact opposite. Is pretending that your outrage is because of a potential mistake about a particular weapon system really the best you can do? Do you believe yourself? Are you not surely laughing as you type?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa


    But there’s literally none of this.
     
    Of course there is, it's just that you don't recognize the pattern. I'm sorry, I can't help you with that deficiency of yours.
  753. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...but that this is NATO’s approach vis a vis Eastern European countries
     
    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country. Nato bombed and invaded Serbia to take away part of its territory. Then they built the biggest Nato base there. It dismantles your argument. Do you really not know this, or do you just pretend?

    not so much miscalculation as they simply can’t be any different. Nobody can just give up their identity or lie it away like you’re suggesting above.
     
    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don't ban the Russian language, don't bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion, don't burn Russians in Odessa, don't march with British ministers and weapons in sight of Crimea. Non-controversial easy things that have no impact on people's true identity.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians and to genuflect in front of Nato bosses. And to never hear the hated Russian language. They did all of the above right after 2014 - the excuse that Russia started the war doesn't count. 2014 was 8 years before 2022: the language ban was passed in February 2014 - a month before Crimea seceded.

    If the Ukie identity requires the things they did and they couldn't even play it smart enough not to get into the mess, maybe it is not a very viable identity. What I suggested was both rational and doable, but the Kiev rulers acted in the opposite pathologically self-defeating way. I have no explanation for it, the story makes no sense.

    Replies: @LatW

    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country

    .

    Serbia is not a typical EE country in the sense that it is not aligned with the West. In that sense it is a special EE country that’s different from others (Poland, Slovakia, et al). Ukraine after 2014 falls within the pro-Western category and it would be treated similarly as those countries, not like Serbia.

    [MORE]

    It dismantles your argument.

    No, it doesn’t. NATO did not build any significant bases in countries such as Poland, the Baltic States, etc. Up until now there haven’t been any serious contingency plans and only now conversation has begun about switching to access denial (unfortunately, it took a Russian invasion of Ukraine to come to this basic understanding, that was careless). Ukraine even before February was more militarized than those EE NATO states. Because Ukraine built her own weapons. Without the Russian invasion, the hypothetical cooperation between Ukraine and NATO would be just as bland as with those others EE states (except Serbia). But, as I noted, even that would not be acceptable to Russia (so it doesn’t change the big picture). Russia wouldn’t wait until real bases are built in Ukraine and real militarization happens, in fact, Russia started this to prevent Ukraine’s own, home grown militarization. It’s just the consequence of this has been more NATO involvement (the opposite of what Russia tried to achieve).

    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.

    No. Please do not distort my words, do not make things up about what I know or ignore and please do not openly ignore what I said (blank outs again). I mentioned to you yesterday that “those people (eg., Donbas residents) are different”, meaning they have their own identity. I told you that I have myself seen these people in my home country years ago, and that they dress differently than us (or even modern Russians). Some of them have the same clothing style that was used in the USSR in the late 1980s and then early 90s. That doesn’t mean they should be attacked, much less murdered. I specifically told you that ideally they should have been left alone. I am perfectly aware that there are also young men on that side, who are being hurt because of this terrible dead end situation. There are tragic stories — a boy who’s parents were killed in 2014, 8 years later, turns 18 and joins the militia and is thrown into this hell. What a fate.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don’t ban the Russian language,

    One option would have been to gradually introduce bilingual education. Just so they feel at least some affinity to Ukraine. A lot of them are already bilingual (I have actually met refugees from Donbas, a Russophone woman who knew Ukrainian well, just didn’t feel like using it daily). Language is not the only issue there. There are other issues, geopolitical orientation, view of history, etc. But even with that they could’ve just been left alone, let them celebrate what they want, just make sure the border is well guarded and there is no separatist militia operating there and no separatist ideologies floating around.

    don’t bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion,

    I’ve already said before that Ukraine was forced to defend itself from being carved up. I have often wondered why a special operation wasn’t carried out before the hostilities started, there was a brief moment when this may have been possible (although there were those who claimed for years that a war is inevitable, no matter what) but apparently the territory is too big. A timely disarming of militia may or may not have been possible. Russian military is also a factor there.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians

    If Russians have genocidal goals towards their neighbors, then yes, they will be hated. Those are simply Laws of Nature, they can’t be changed. Even less is required to hate someone – just their decade long condescending attitudes and threats are enough. That has nothing to do with the actual identity (that’s a separate thing that’s objective, Russia or no Russia, Ukrainian identity is not tied to Russia but it exists on its own).

    All this talk is useless in the context of what is happening right now when Russia is wiping out whole cities and terrorizing the civilian population at an unprecedented level (maybe only comparable to Grozny).

    • Replies: @Sean
    @LatW


    If Russians have genocidal goals towards their neighbors ...
     
    The Ukrainian electorate minus the most pro Russian parts of Donbass and Crimea voted Zelensky in to end the war. He agreed to do so but backed out in the face of Azov fronted demonstrations and Poroshenko accusing him of selling out.

    In June 2021 NATO reaffirmed the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance, and according to Russian POWs the middle of last year was when they began to train for an occupation of Ukraine.

    In November- December 2021 Ukraine used the Javelin and the Turkish drones for the first time in combat.

    Was Ukraine to blame? Not at all, they happen to be in a geopolitical quandary. However, the Zelensky government might have might have tried harder with diplomacy and compromise, which is what the electorate actually voted for.
    , @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Serbia is not a typical EE
     
    I know there are some political considerations (e.g. "Warsaw Pact" included Central Europe like Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia), surely but Serbia is not Eastern Europe.

    It is Southern Europe, whether geographically or culturally.

    In terms of 20th century politics, they were Yugoslavia, which was non-aligned West of the "Iron Curtain". In 19th century, they had some more "Eastern" influence in Ottoman Empire. But in terms of longitude, they also are central-west Europe.

    Although I guess, if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.
    https://i.imgur.com/YCedlPB.png


    My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a “magnetophone”, lol), and decent locally made speakers.
     
    Do you know which speakers they are? I know there was famous radios from Tallin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldqrSjuluE


    And "Estonia" was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today even despite the postsoviet deindustrialization (almost all the Soviet musical factories were closed by the 2000s).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KV3BvCd-ps

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon, @AnonfromTN

  754. German_reader says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @German_reader

    You said there was the following in the article:

    There’s of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the “Germans weren’t punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War” kind (I certainly didn’t detect any “sympathy”), but it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism)

    But there's literally none of this. Instead, it argues the exact opposite. Is pretending that your outrage is because of a potential mistake about a particular weapon system really the best you can do? Do you believe yourself? Are you not surely laughing as you type?

    Replies: @German_reader

    But there’s literally none of this.

    Of course there is, it’s just that you don’t recognize the pattern. I’m sorry, I can’t help you with that deficiency of yours.

  755. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    You hide behind badly defined terms: recognition, charity...

    There are 40-50 'not recognized' territorial disputes around the world, it literally means nothing.

    If you believe that tribute given to US large cities is just 'charity', why is it distributed through the governments in those cities? In any case, tribute or "charity", it is about the same when it is not voluntary.

    And too many "seems to" in your evasive response: Saudis seem not to, Iran seems to - you don't really know, do you? How convenient. As you don't know about Chechnia.

    Each case is different, your descriptions - as always - are breathless eager over-statements attacking those you don't like and pretending not to see faults among those you support. You are basically a fanatic. When you lose this war, you will find something else to be a fanatic about - maybe bomb Serbia again, or whatever. But rational analysis escapes you, you have too many agendas.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    If I am to believe you, I need to see, as completely unimportant, the fact that not a single other country has recognised Russia’s annexation of the Donbas.

    I also need to believe that money distributed through government can never be charitable.

    And I need to not see your following confused rant, especially as it comes right after you going apoplectic because I wrote in a nuanced fashion, as just you talking to yourself:

    Each case is different, your descriptions – as always – are breathless eager over-statements attacking those you don’t like and pretending not to see faults among those you support. You are basically a fanatic. When you lose this war, you will find something else to be a fanatic about – maybe bomb (insert country) again, or whatever. But rational analysis escapes you, you have too many agendas.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Donets just got crossed at multiple locations at low flow at the various river islands. Game Over. High Summer. Predicted this. You are not good at predicting long of medium term events. The Ukies will have to subordinate or die.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  756. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Sean

    I already addressed the Chechnya example. Chechnya is run as an independent state. It has laws which are considered utterly barbaric in Russia. Meanwhile, Chechnyans have complete access to Russia and are bribed with huge amounts of money by the Russian state each year. This is Putin buying himself a personal torturer/assassin squad. It has nothing to do with nation building, and Chechnya will break for independence again, as soon as Russia decides that acting like a subjugated vassal to Chechnya, just so Putin can have goons to kill his domestic opposition, isn't worth it.

    Grozny also has a population 1/15 of Kyiv, so the model, which obviously bad for the Russian people, isn't even scalable to Ukraine or anything like that.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean

    Chechnya is run as an independent state. It has laws which are considered utterly barbaric in Russia.

    Historically they were white woman stealers, https://www.unz.com/pfrost/the-other-slave-trade/Peter Turchin in his War and Peace and War wrote about them Post Soviet enslaving Russians after luring them to their country with the promise of paid work, Solzhenitsyn wrote of their wild lawless ways that even the Gulag could not control. he also spoke of the fearless Ukrainians he met in the camps.

    Grozny also has a population 1/15 of Kyiv, so the model, which obviously bad for the Russian people, isn’t even scalable to Ukraine or anything like that

    Kiev is almost impossible to surround became of the ravines nearby, which during WW2 were where Ukrainians had a huge massacre of Jews before the Germans arrived, later in the war the Ukrainians murdered hundreds of thousands of Poles. Incidentally, Poland was officially neutral in WW2. They were invaded because they refused to cooperate with Nazi Germany’s attempt to conquer European Russia.

  757. @Here Be Dragon
    @AnonfromTN


    This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze, but terrorists are too dumb to manage mass production of microorganisms without killing themselves.
     
    You indeed consider that it's a problem for a state to find a kamikaze?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    A smart enough kamikaze could be a problem. The states usually work through a third party intermediary, a really-devoted NGO type is ideal, but they are also too stupid.

  758. @Here Be Dragon
    @AnonfromTN


    This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze, but terrorists are too dumb to manage mass production of microorganisms without killing themselves.
     
    You indeed consider that it's a problem for a state to find a kamikaze?

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    You indeed consider that it’s a problem for a state to find a kamikaze?

    So far it was. Those acting for states tend to do whatever they are asked for money and/or other kudos. Even religious nuts know that you can enjoy your wealth only as long as you are alive – gods do not take bribes.

  759. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country
     
    .

    Serbia is not a typical EE country in the sense that it is not aligned with the West. In that sense it is a special EE country that's different from others (Poland, Slovakia, et al). Ukraine after 2014 falls within the pro-Western category and it would be treated similarly as those countries, not like Serbia.


    It dismantles your argument.
     
    No, it doesn't. NATO did not build any significant bases in countries such as Poland, the Baltic States, etc. Up until now there haven't been any serious contingency plans and only now conversation has begun about switching to access denial (unfortunately, it took a Russian invasion of Ukraine to come to this basic understanding, that was careless). Ukraine even before February was more militarized than those EE NATO states. Because Ukraine built her own weapons. Without the Russian invasion, the hypothetical cooperation between Ukraine and NATO would be just as bland as with those others EE states (except Serbia). But, as I noted, even that would not be acceptable to Russia (so it doesn't change the big picture). Russia wouldn't wait until real bases are built in Ukraine and real militarization happens, in fact, Russia started this to prevent Ukraine's own, home grown militarization. It's just the consequence of this has been more NATO involvement (the opposite of what Russia tried to achieve).

    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.
     
    No. Please do not distort my words, do not make things up about what I know or ignore and please do not openly ignore what I said (blank outs again). I mentioned to you yesterday that "those people (eg., Donbas residents) are different", meaning they have their own identity. I told you that I have myself seen these people in my home country years ago, and that they dress differently than us (or even modern Russians). Some of them have the same clothing style that was used in the USSR in the late 1980s and then early 90s. That doesn't mean they should be attacked, much less murdered. I specifically told you that ideally they should have been left alone. I am perfectly aware that there are also young men on that side, who are being hurt because of this terrible dead end situation. There are tragic stories -- a boy who's parents were killed in 2014, 8 years later, turns 18 and joins the militia and is thrown into this hell. What a fate.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don’t ban the Russian language,
     
    One option would have been to gradually introduce bilingual education. Just so they feel at least some affinity to Ukraine. A lot of them are already bilingual (I have actually met refugees from Donbas, a Russophone woman who knew Ukrainian well, just didn't feel like using it daily). Language is not the only issue there. There are other issues, geopolitical orientation, view of history, etc. But even with that they could've just been left alone, let them celebrate what they want, just make sure the border is well guarded and there is no separatist militia operating there and no separatist ideologies floating around.

    don’t bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion,
     
    I've already said before that Ukraine was forced to defend itself from being carved up. I have often wondered why a special operation wasn't carried out before the hostilities started, there was a brief moment when this may have been possible (although there were those who claimed for years that a war is inevitable, no matter what) but apparently the territory is too big. A timely disarming of militia may or may not have been possible. Russian military is also a factor there.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians
     
    If Russians have genocidal goals towards their neighbors, then yes, they will be hated. Those are simply Laws of Nature, they can't be changed. Even less is required to hate someone - just their decade long condescending attitudes and threats are enough. That has nothing to do with the actual identity (that's a separate thing that's objective, Russia or no Russia, Ukrainian identity is not tied to Russia but it exists on its own).

    All this talk is useless in the context of what is happening right now when Russia is wiping out whole cities and terrorizing the civilian population at an unprecedented level (maybe only comparable to Grozny).

    Replies: @Sean, @Dmitry

    If Russians have genocidal goals towards their neighbors …

    The Ukrainian electorate minus the most pro Russian parts of Donbass and Crimea voted Zelensky in to end the war. He agreed to do so but backed out in the face of Azov fronted demonstrations and Poroshenko accusing him of selling out.

    In June 2021 NATO reaffirmed the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance, and according to Russian POWs the middle of last year was when they began to train for an occupation of Ukraine.

    In November- December 2021 Ukraine used the Javelin and the Turkish drones for the first time in combat.

    Was Ukraine to blame? Not at all, they happen to be in a geopolitical quandary. However, the Zelensky government might have might have tried harder with diplomacy and compromise, which is what the electorate actually voted for.

  760. @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    been to the Kremlin, and to Saint Petersburg.
     
    Central Moscow or photos of Hermitage has no relation to lifestyle in the USSR, unless you want to know where they are nowadays wasting money polishing every street tile in the 21st century.

    Neither Tate Modern in London has much connection to the normal life of the United Kingdom. But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.


    might be surprised to learn, in the Soviet Union a policeman didn’t have a baton, didn’t have tear gas. A police state
     
    And neither in North Korea. But it was a police state, by any definitions.

    Secret police is one of the most powerful element in the society, and the revolutionary authorities refortify them immediately from the 1920s, so there will not be further revolutions. They expanded the systems, which were already a highly repressive police state before the revolution.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s.

    When the secret police is one of the most prioritized institutions in the country, it looks like. The most impressive building project of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4357/37180174090_6e3394b383_o.jpg


    A police state is in America.
     
    It's not a contrast but a continuity. America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state, which are well known.

    https://i.imgur.com/yAA6CT6.png

    In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however. There can be more similarities than differences in this area, as there is overlap in this area on both sides of the Cold War, of the over-powerful, security state.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    You are talking propaganda now.

    But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.

    Russia is not that much different from the UK in that respect. The index of inequality is 37.5 for the RF and 34.8 for the UK, and 41.4 for the US.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s. The most impressive building of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.

    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD was no more secret than FBI, and it wasn’t the police. Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.

    Constructivist architecture.

    America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state. In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however.

    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than in the US.

    Here is The New York Times in 1991.

    More than one million Americans are in jail or prison, either awaiting trial or serving time, the report said. It said that 426 of every 100,000 residents of the United States are incarcerated.

    The Soviet Union ranks third in overall incarceration with 268 per 100,000 residents.

    Now the rate in the US is 629, and in the RF 326.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Here Be Dragon

    recidivist, violent and incompetent niggers most likely.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    , @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia is not that much different from the UK
     
    To claim UK and Russia are similar in inequality, you would have to know nothing about either country, historically unaware of the last 30 years what has happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to lack any knowledge about the robbery and asset-stripping in the postsoviet countries.

    But perhaps it is interesting for me to write about this topic for the other people here.

    Russia can be only look a few points unequal by gini co-efficient (which is referring to annual income movement in each year), but in a different level of unequality in wealth distribution, which is more static and measures ownership of the country under the capitalist system.

    Inequality of capitalism is created primarily in ownership, not annual income (unless you are in a meritocracy), and ownership in Russia is restricted to increasingly narrow circles since the public property was distributed to a very small percentage of people in the 1990s.

    As a result of this process, after the end of the USSR, Russia became one of the most unequal countries in the world, especially in the highest percents, where it is having rivalry for the world's most unequal country with South Africa and Brazil.

    Top 1% of the population in Russia has almost 50% of the country's wealth. This is the area where Russia is world's most unequal country except South Africa and Brazil.

    Even the top 10% (where this is less extreme) has 20 times more wealth than the bottom 50% of the population.

    https://i.imgur.com/hB70Hb6.jpg

    In the middle 40% in Russia, has only 23% ownership. This is a middle class that has been asset stripped to half.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Y6lW1C.jpg


    -

    As for other measures like income inequality and regional inequality. In the Kingdom, absolute incomes are very significantly higher, so relative inequality has less negative effects for people in the bottom. The concept of poverty is very different in UK than in Russia.

    From the government, perspective, in UK there is 0% tax rate for the first $15,000 of annual income of the British citizens, while in Russia there is flat taxation rate. UK has progressive taxation, while in Russia regressive taxation.

    There is high quality of public services accessible for the public of the United Kingdom, and strong "welfare", including free housing and free income payment. Infrastructure spending and life quality will be high across the country, while in Russia there is extreme interregional inequality in terms of public investment and infrastructure.

    In terms of a basic spending for e.g. food. Great Britain's citizens need to spend only 10%, while 31,2% in Russia, and 50% in Ukraine. https://ria.ru/20181217/1547989821.html


    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD
     

    This the meaning of the secret police, nobody is saying they literally have to be secret (unknown for the public). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police

    Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.Constructivist architecture.

     

    Yes I know what the architecture is. It was the most impressive architecture of the 1930s in Sverdlovsk, which is for the NKVD - i.e. the secret police. In the police state, the secret police are one of the most important institutions, receiving the monumentalist architecture and buildings.

    US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than
     
    In early 1950s there were the high estimate of 2,4 million in the prison camps. So, the imprisonment rate will be far higher, closer to 1300 per hundred thousand. There is the low estimate of 1,7 million, which still would be 900 imprisoned, per hundred thousand. So, even in the low estimate, there is a higher imprisonment rate. Moreover, a significant proportion include political prisoners.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

    , @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest.
     
    This is because the USA is aiming for a European level of crime despite having only a 66% European population. It also has a frontier legacy (white Americans are more violent than other Europeans). Sadly, this requires incarcerating large numbers of non-European descended people. American incarceration does not signify repression but reflects crime.

    Here are American incarceration rates by race:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

    "In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)"

    So white Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 272/100,000.

    Compared to countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Lower than Russia's 325/100,000, similar to Georgia's 245/100,000.

    I assume ethnic Russians are less violent and incarcerated less often than the overall Russian rate, perhaps their rate is about the same as the American one.

    Belarus has an incarceration rate of 345/100,000 though, and its population is purely European. There is probably a strong repressive component.
  761. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    You keep ignoring that Ukraine had sent 75 thousand troops to the Donbas before the war, and was going to attack them first. Russia had to interfere.
     
    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014.

    And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia simply formally annexed it.

    Look at the map – the area in brown is where the ethnic Russian people live.
     
    Ethnic Russians live all over the world. Your implication that these are ethnic Russian majority areas is dishonest, as usual. These are simply Russian language areas. Other than in Crimea and parts of Donbas they are majority Ukrainian.

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level of dishonesty.

    The communist traitors transferred this area to Ukraine, and that’s a historical mistake that has to be corrected

     

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR and never gifted by the Soviets, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian by the Germans.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.

    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.

    Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas.

    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.

    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.

    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century. You may want to revisit that conversation. You have certainly forgotten that you were wrong.

    And you are wrong now, the same way.

    An attempt of independence isn’t independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years, during the civil war, and never was an independent state. Declarations and proclamations don’t mean anything. They are papers.

    The Germans had nothing to do with the borders of the Ukrainian Socialist Republic.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.

    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.
     
    US didn't send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    "Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas."

    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.
     
    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy under the Romanovs. Instead it is a continuation of the RSFSR, which had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory's population. And "still speaking Russian" is a lie - majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian until after the Soviet takeover. Check the 1897 census. For example, Kherson governate, which included both Kherson and Odessa regions:

    http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd.php?reg=1642

    54% Little Russian (Ukrainian) by language, only 21% Great Russian by language

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.

    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people
     
    Sharikov lies again.

    Odessa oblast:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8

    63% Ukrainian, 21% Russian

    In 1970 under Soviets it was 55% Ukrainian, 24% Russian.

    Odessa city once had a Russian majority but the region overall was always majority Ukrainian.

    This is even more true of Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, etc.

    Only Crimea and the parts of Donbas that left Ukraine in 2014 had Russian majorities.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.

    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century.
     
    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.

    An attempt of independence isn’t independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years
     
    And a kitchen isn't a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household. Lol.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories. The Bolsheviks never gave Ukraine those territories.

    When the Ukrainian SSR was created it was based on the territory of the UPR.

    Replies: @Sean, @Here Be Dragon, @Philip Owen

  762. The most significant thing about the last 48 hours in The Ukraine is that the Donets was crossed by the Ruskies. Low Flow river +River islands = end of Ukraine.

    what was a rout is now a massacre.

  763. Just quickly about Turkey’s apparent U-turn on NATO.

    Most of the “concessions” are useless fluff like “work together on intel” and “extradite terrorists”. Both Finland and Sweden have agreed to lift our arms embargo. It never made much sense to begin with, as it stymied our MIC.

    The real prizes that Turkey sought – getting back to F-35 programme or at least getting off the shelf F-16s – failed badly for them. There was also talk that Turkey attempted to get something on the long stalled visa-free access to the EU, but nothing here either.

    The only thing that concerns me is that we had apparently agreed to support their entry into PESCO, which forms the seed to a European alternative to NATO. Though this concession could potentially be useless if Greece can block their entry. Still, on purely principal grounds, we shouldn’t have granted them even a token gesture, however useless.

    I suspect the only real valuable thing that Turkey managed to get was a green light from the US – the real master of NATO – to crush the Kurds in Northern Syria. It’s hard to see why Turkey would give up their opposition if they didn’t at least get that because the list otherwise is surprisingly empty of any tangible achievements of note for Ankara.

    • Replies: @216
    @Thulean Friend


    I suspect the only real valuable thing that Turkey managed to get was a green light from the US – the real master of NATO
     
    The US only gets "deference" in NATO when a Democrat is in office. Neither Bush nor Trump got anything but trouble from France/Germany. Quite disgusting actually, given how much both nations freeload off the US.
  764. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    If I am to believe you, I need to see, as completely unimportant, the fact that not a single other country has recognised Russia's annexation of the Donbas.

    I also need to believe that money distributed through government can never be charitable.

    And I need to not see your following confused rant, especially as it comes right after you going apoplectic because I wrote in a nuanced fashion, as just you talking to yourself:

    Each case is different, your descriptions – as always – are breathless eager over-statements attacking those you don’t like and pretending not to see faults among those you support. You are basically a fanatic. When you lose this war, you will find something else to be a fanatic about – maybe bomb (insert country) again, or whatever. But rational analysis escapes you, you have too many agendas.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The Donets just got crossed at multiple locations at low flow at the various river islands. Game Over. High Summer. Predicted this. You are not good at predicting long of medium term events. The Ukies will have to subordinate or die.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Wokechoke

    You have been saying this for every day for 4 months, even though Russia is backwards from where they were 4 months ago, and about 33.6 km from where they actually began. You have no credibility. Honestly, my mental image of you is that a clown with brain damage, which I don't like. Can you not help me to have a less awful picture of you by not acting like such a poor creature?

  765. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    You are talking propaganda now.


    But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.
     
    Russia is not that much different from the UK in that respect. The index of inequality is 37.5 for the RF and 34.8 for the UK, and 41.4 for the US.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s. The most impressive building of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.
     
    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD was no more secret than FBI, and it wasn't the police. Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.

    https://i.postimg.cc/y6njPPxG/Iset-Hotel.jpg

    Constructivist architecture.

    America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state. In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however.
     
    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than in the US.

    Here is The New York Times in 1991.

    More than one million Americans are in jail or prison, either awaiting trial or serving time, the report said. It said that 426 of every 100,000 residents of the United States are incarcerated.

    The Soviet Union ranks third in overall incarceration with 268 per 100,000 residents.
     
    Now the rate in the US is 629, and in the RF 326.

    U.S. Has Highest Rate of Imprisonment in World
    https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/07/us/us-has-highest-rate-of-imprisonment-in-world.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @AP

    recidivist, violent and incompetent niggers most likely.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Wokechoke

    Most likely.

    There are plenty of Dagestani, Chechen, Kazakh and other ethnic criminal groups in Russia as well. The Georgians control most of the organized crime.

  766. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz


    I haven’t noticed you around here much the last couple of months, so welcome back.
     
    Thanks! I did not post anything because I was reluctant to be on the website where somebody like “Rashes” personage is present. Maybe I was overly fastidious.

    Also, based upon your professional expertise, I’d be very interested to know your opinion about those alleged Ukrainian biolabs that the Russians say were developing bioweapons for use against them. How credible do you find those claims? Have you looked at any of the supposed documents, and do they seem genuine to you?
     
    No, I haven’t looked at the documents, as I have no way of checking their authenticity. In general, I see nothing implausible in those claims: the US runs biolabs working on bioweapons all over the world, so why not on the territory controlled by stupid obedient puppets that happens to be so close to Russia. I guess that was one of the reasons of masterminding 2014 coup in Kiev.

    Do those theories about possibly suing migratory birds to spread the diseases seem plausible?
     
    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman, but terrorists are apparently too dumb to manage mass production of disease-causing microorganisms without killing themselves. This is not an easy task, it requires high professionalism and proper protected facilities, whereas a standard terrorist is a religious nut, which means low IQ and very limited skill one can acquire w/o brains.

    Purely theoretically migratory birds can serve as a delivery vehicle, but they would spread the disease everywhere, including the place of launch. In case of Ukraine that won’t bother the empire much, as the masters see Ukrainians as disposable aborigines, but the geography of the resulting epidemic would inevitably betray the point of launch, thus implicating servants, and therefore masters.

    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US "elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Ron Unz

    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US “elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.

    Well, I certainly don’t disagree with you about that…

    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman

    However, I’m not sure about this. I think it greatly depends upon the particular nature of the bioweapon being deployed. For example, here’s a comment with my scenario regarding the delivery of the hypothetical Covid bioweapon, which only has a 0.5-1% fatality rate and is extremely skewed based upon age and other health problems:

    I’m hardly a biowarfare expert, but I very much doubt that. America has spent $100 billion over the years developing bioweapons, and I’m sure at least a little of that money was allocated to producing lots of surreptitious release-devices, perhaps along the lines of the ones in James Bond films.

    Perhaps the entire viral load was just contained in a couple of simple spray-devices, such as an asthma inhalers, and just casually sprayed onto various surfaces or confined locations by the operatives while they were sightseeing around Wuhan along with the thousands of other foreign military visitors. The food stalls of that Seafood Market that was one of the early epicenters of the outbreak might have been among the targets. Or maybe the devices could be left somewhere with a timed-release mechanism.

    Remember, we’re not talking about some deadly nerve gas, just an undetectable virus whose release wouldn’t be noticed by anyone for six or seven weeks, until large numbers of individuals began to feel a little sick. And the operatives were young and healthy, so they themselves would have had a 0% chance of dying even if they were careless enough to accidentally infect themselves, though I’d assume they washed their hands pretty thoroughly and might even have been isolated once they got back to the US. Keep in mind, Covid isn’t an anti-personnel bioweapon, it’s an anti-economy bioweapon

    When you spend seventy years and $100 billion creating the world’s largest biowarfare program, I assume you’ve developed all sorts of training exercises and standard protocols for this sort of situation.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should read the discussion we published in early 2020 by a retired 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/podcast-interview-geopolitics-empire/#comment-5164130

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz

    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest. That’s the greatest drawback of all bioweapons: they do not differentiate between “our guys” and the “enemy” (or, using the terms of the apocryphal Roosevelt quote, between “our sons of bitches” and “their sons of bitches”).

    I know that the virus is real (I know people who had a serious case of covid), but I feel that ~90% of covid scare was manufactured by the media as a psychological weapon: otherwise it’s impossible to explain how Putin essentially cured the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine. Now Dems are “curing” the US of their faults (including stupid Russia policy) by diverting the attention to the abortion issue. All this proves the quote ascribed to Goebbels “give me the media and I will make any nation a herd of swine”.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz

    , @A123
    @Ron Unz

    Occam's Razor points to a much simpler scenarios.

    Consider what has been admitted: (1)


    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

    It’s another Fauci flub.

    The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

    In a letter to Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) on Wednesday, a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance — the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled US funds to the Wuhan lab — for not being transparent about the work it was doing.

    NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”
     

    The single source attesting to Wuhan lab security stated unequivocally that the facility was not performing gain-of-function research. We have proof that assertion was wrong. This makes the single source for lab security dubious, at best.

    Back to Occam's Razor, two closely related possibilities exist:

        --A-- The single source was wrong, and WUHAN-19 is a simple lab leak.

        --B-- Team #NeverTrump launched an illicit Black Op aimed at his defeat. The simplest scenario for this mission is obtaining WUHAN-19 from the Wuhan lab for release in Wuhan.

    There is no credible reason for a convoluted mission to transport a virus that, due to NIH funding, was available on-site in Wuhan.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  767. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US “elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.
     
    Well, I certainly don't disagree with you about that...

    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman
     
    However, I'm not sure about this. I think it greatly depends upon the particular nature of the bioweapon being deployed. For example, here's a comment with my scenario regarding the delivery of the hypothetical Covid bioweapon, which only has a 0.5-1% fatality rate and is extremely skewed based upon age and other health problems:

    I’m hardly a biowarfare expert, but I very much doubt that. America has spent $100 billion over the years developing bioweapons, and I’m sure at least a little of that money was allocated to producing lots of surreptitious release-devices, perhaps along the lines of the ones in James Bond films.

    Perhaps the entire viral load was just contained in a couple of simple spray-devices, such as an asthma inhalers, and just casually sprayed onto various surfaces or confined locations by the operatives while they were sightseeing around Wuhan along with the thousands of other foreign military visitors. The food stalls of that Seafood Market that was one of the early epicenters of the outbreak might have been among the targets. Or maybe the devices could be left somewhere with a timed-release mechanism.

    Remember, we’re not talking about some deadly nerve gas, just an undetectable virus whose release wouldn’t be noticed by anyone for six or seven weeks, until large numbers of individuals began to feel a little sick. And the operatives were young and healthy, so they themselves would have had a 0% chance of dying even if they were careless enough to accidentally infect themselves, though I’d assume they washed their hands pretty thoroughly and might even have been isolated once they got back to the US. Keep in mind, Covid isn’t an anti-personnel bioweapon, it’s an anti-economy bioweapon

    When you spend seventy years and $100 billion creating the world’s largest biowarfare program, I assume you’ve developed all sorts of training exercises and standard protocols for this sort of situation.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should read the discussion we published in early 2020 by a retired 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/podcast-interview-geopolitics-empire/#comment-5164130

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest. That’s the greatest drawback of all bioweapons: they do not differentiate between “our guys” and the “enemy” (or, using the terms of the apocryphal Roosevelt quote, between “our sons of bitches” and “their sons of bitches”).

    I know that the virus is real (I know people who had a serious case of covid), but I feel that ~90% of covid scare was manufactured by the media as a psychological weapon: otherwise it’s impossible to explain how Putin essentially cured the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine. Now Dems are “curing” the US of their faults (including stupid Russia policy) by diverting the attention to the abortion issue. All this proves the quote ascribed to Goebbels “give me the media and I will make any nation a herd of swine”.

    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.
     
    Apparently the CCP thinks it is getting something out of their release of the WUHAN-19 release. It is a long term investment in central authoritarian control: (1)

    Beijing Communist Chief Announces Five More Years of Lockdowns

    Cai Qi, the Chinese Communist Party secretary of Beijing, told state media Monday that the city would adhere to its “zero-Covid” policy of lockdowns and quarantines for the next five years.

    State media rapidly deleted his comment — and Chinese censors relentlessly scrubbed it from websites — after a burst of shock and outrage on social media.

    The original quote from Cai, as published by the state-run Beijing Daily, read as follows: “In the next five years, Beijing will unremittingly grasp the normalization of epidemic prevention and control.”

    The rest of the article made it clear that Cai was talking about the harsh lockdowns of residential compounds, districts, and entire cities that have plagued China this year, most notoriously in Shanghai.
     

    Stop and consider:

        • Trump had no reason to sabotage his own re-election. There is a 0% chance that this was an officially sanctioned U.S. operation.

        • An illicit #NeverTrump operation is quite problematic, though I concede it is not impossible.

        • Why not consider a scenario where the CCP unleashed the WUHAN-19 virus on their own citizens? Central Elites would be well placed to wield authoritarian controls if they knew the problem was impending as they caused it.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/06/27/beijing-communist-chief-announces-five-more-years-lockdowns/

    Replies: @216

    , @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.
     
    Sure, it obviously ended up being a total disaster for the US (and our NATO allies). But the problem wasn't the initial deployment, just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Under my hypothesis, a major contributing factor was that the Covid release had been a rogue operation, so that neither Trump nor most of his top officials were aware of the dangers until it was too late.

    Replies: @216, @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

  768. The main thrust of Republicanism in the US was directly inherited from American-English figures like Downing a radical Massachusetts preacher from Harvard who was Oliver Cromwell’s right hand man. The Levellers wanted to be armed and have it be a right.

    The levelers charter is clearly a close match for the bill of rights. Literate Republicans in the US would have read it as the Putney debates were partly a rhetorical clash between the Levellers and Cromwell’s faction. Benedict Arnold for example, he referenced Ireton, Monckton, Cromwell and the Stuarts in his early discussions about Independence. They certainly knew who John Freeborn Lilburne was…

    The precise place of Lilburne and his Levellers in the genealogy of the American Bill of Rights is not clear. Still, Levellers developed specific guarantees and the very idea of a Bill of Rights.
    Levellers claimed a host of rights-against self incrimination, to receive a copy of the indictment, to counsel, to due process, to petition, and to freedom of the press and of religion. In some cases-as
    in the privilege against self-incrimination-Lilburne was one of the
    main historical sources of the right.

    https://conservancy.umn.edu/bitstream/handle/11299/166045/08_02_Curtis.pdf

    it was reiterated in 1688-89 by their sons…of course only protestants had the right to be armed though. lol. Fucking Irish papists.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Rights_1689

    • Thanks: A123
  769. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    However, my opinion would only matter if we assumed that the US policy is determined by adequate intelligent people. This is clearly not the case. If it were, neither the US nor its vassals would be where they are now. In fact, no enemy could even dream of doing as much damage to the US and the US dollar as the imperial “elites” are doing today. Only total idiots would ruin the world order where they are on top. The US “elites” are doing exactly that. Virtually all of the US and its vassals’ policies are suicidal, best described as death throes.
     
    Well, I certainly don't disagree with you about that...

    As a professional, I find the whole bioweapons thing doomed to fail. There are no delivery methods that would leave bioagents alive, except a delivery by a person. This would have worked for terrorists who can send a kamikaze deliveryman
     
    However, I'm not sure about this. I think it greatly depends upon the particular nature of the bioweapon being deployed. For example, here's a comment with my scenario regarding the delivery of the hypothetical Covid bioweapon, which only has a 0.5-1% fatality rate and is extremely skewed based upon age and other health problems:

    I’m hardly a biowarfare expert, but I very much doubt that. America has spent $100 billion over the years developing bioweapons, and I’m sure at least a little of that money was allocated to producing lots of surreptitious release-devices, perhaps along the lines of the ones in James Bond films.

    Perhaps the entire viral load was just contained in a couple of simple spray-devices, such as an asthma inhalers, and just casually sprayed onto various surfaces or confined locations by the operatives while they were sightseeing around Wuhan along with the thousands of other foreign military visitors. The food stalls of that Seafood Market that was one of the early epicenters of the outbreak might have been among the targets. Or maybe the devices could be left somewhere with a timed-release mechanism.

    Remember, we’re not talking about some deadly nerve gas, just an undetectable virus whose release wouldn’t be noticed by anyone for six or seven weeks, until large numbers of individuals began to feel a little sick. And the operatives were young and healthy, so they themselves would have had a 0% chance of dying even if they were careless enough to accidentally infect themselves, though I’d assume they washed their hands pretty thoroughly and might even have been isolated once they got back to the US. Keep in mind, Covid isn’t an anti-personnel bioweapon, it’s an anti-economy bioweapon

    When you spend seventy years and $100 billion creating the world’s largest biowarfare program, I assume you’ve developed all sorts of training exercises and standard protocols for this sort of situation.

    If you haven’t already done so, you really should read the discussion we published in early 2020 by a retired 40-year veteran of American biodefense:

    https://www.unz.com/article/was-coronavirus-a-biowarfare-attack-against-china/
     
    https://www.unz.com/announcement/podcast-interview-geopolitics-empire/#comment-5164130

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @A123

    Occam’s Razor points to a much simpler scenarios.

    Consider what has been admitted: (1)

    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

    It’s another Fauci flub.

    The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

    In a letter to Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) on Wednesday, a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance — the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled US funds to the Wuhan lab — for not being transparent about the work it was doing.

    NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”

    The single source attesting to Wuhan lab security stated unequivocally that the facility was not performing gain-of-function research. We have proof that assertion was wrong. This makes the single source for lab security dubious, at best.

    Back to Occam’s Razor, two closely related possibilities exist:

        –A– The single source was wrong, and WUHAN-19 is a simple lab leak.

        –B– Team #NeverTrump launched an illicit Black Op aimed at his defeat. The simplest scenario for this mission is obtaining WUHAN-19 from the Wuhan lab for release in Wuhan.

    There is no credible reason for a convoluted mission to transport a virus that, due to NIH funding, was available on-site in Wuhan.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @A123


    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

    The single source attesting to Wuhan lab security stated unequivocally that the facility was not performing gain-of-function research. We have proof that assertion was wrong. This makes the single source for lab security dubious, at best.
     
    As far as I know, nobody's disputed that the Wuhan lab was doing genetic experimentation on bat coronaviruses. After all, the "Bat Lady" had co-authored some research papers with that Baric fellow from UNC.

    However, there's ZERO evidence that any of this had anything to do with Covid, and that Australian virologist who was working at the Wuhan lab around that time is pretty sure it didn't. If the Wuhan lab were doing Covid-related research, you'd expect them to have published some papers on that subject, but they didn't.

    And the Fauci/EcoHealth Alliance funding is largely a red-herring. I think they only provided a few hundred thousand dollars over a couple of years. According to Wikipedia, the Wuhan lab had a staff of almost 300, so that would have been just a tiny sliver of their budget.

    Anyway, none of that would explain why Robert Kadlec, America's top biowarfare advocate, had spent eight months running the federal/state Crimson Contagion exercise on defending American society against infection from a dangerous Chinese respiratory virus...just a few weeks before exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan!

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#summary-analysis

    Replies: @216

  770. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/prfnJrpD/AP.jpg

    How can you force me to do anything, and when was it that you forced me to agree with you?


    The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.
     
    Comprehensive means of large content or scope; wide-ranging. Therefore it's more comprehensive.

    Russians do worse on the PISA than do white Americans. You stopped talking about that.
     
    Hasn't that been the topic of the last week and haven't we closed it agreeing that the score of ethnic Russians should have been 101.4 at the time of that test. You are confusing me.

    Due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in.
     
    A person with low income wouldn't be able to get a loan. So a large pool of people are not able to get in, no matter what the examinations. Your failure to understand that is showing again that you are living in a bubblehead world.

    Your life experience is poor.

    The verbal parts of the Wechsler test are not directly translated. The trivia parts that ask about historical events are different because each country has different historical events.
     
    Haven't you read the citation?

    "The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure."

    You think it's nonsense, idiot – that's a citation.

    Each country has its own 100, they are not all calibrated to the British 100. Sharikov fails to think, again. The American version was normed on a sample in the United States.
     
    You are now going to repeat after me? Monkey see, monkey do. That fits you. As your initials do, apey. That's awesome.

    Except that it doesn't work like that.

    Look, let's take a break for a second – listen to me.

    A test, no matter which one, has to be set up once, calibrated for a point of reference that is called Greenwich – not as a reference to a location, but as a metaphor, like the Greenwich meridian, which is used to measure time zones.

    So it's here, for a specific test there is a chosen Greenwich IQ. For the PISA it's the OECD mean score, for the WAIS it's the US and Canada mean. Yes there are two coefficient variants, for Canada and for the US.

    Have never heard about that.

    You first link is reading, "The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range."

    Your second link, that you think refers to some different norms is an evaluation, to make sure that the current calibration is still valid, because it can change over time.

    Your third article is explaining that the version calibrated for Canada produces lower scores, and since this test is used in medicine and both countries are more or less a common space, cultural and otherwise, it raises a number of problems.

    "The authors noted that clinicians evaluating patients with acquired cognitive deficits might conclude that a person has a greater degree of cognitive impairment when using the Canadian norms compared with the American norms."

    This is not how that test is used in other countries.

    The international standard is the US test, and it's the same for all, and it's in English. There are some translated versions, to me the German one is familiar, it's translated from English and it uses the US calibration. The same questions, the same scores.

    And no, there are no questions about historical events.

    So what it means is that for measuring intelligence in various countries for a comparison, one standard, so called Greenwich IQ, has to be used. You have seen from that last article how complicated that process of calibration is.

    That would make it impossible to estimate the difference between various countries, if there was a separate set of norms for each.

    For the same reason the PISA test uses one set of norms, calibrated for the OECD countries mean score in sum total, and not counted for each country independently – that wouldn't make sense, and would make things a lot more cumbersome.

    And since the PISA test is based on the school mathematics and science, whatever is implied here, and reading, it's a lot more comprehensive and reliable, than the Progressive Matrices. However it doesn't fit for adults. The adults forget.

    The task material and structure are the same, but actual items are not. Germans are not being asked questions about American historical figures on their version of the Wechsler test, like Americans are.
     
    The task material is the items. There are no questions about historical figures, the test is not meant for examination of knowledge, but meant to determine comprehension and reasoning abilities. You have never taken this test.

    Trust me, there's nothing like that.

    And serious researchers are not serious, if a limited to logic Matrices test is in their opinion enough to estimate someone's intelligence. As a matter of fact, neither is the PISA, nor is the WAIS test sufficient to estimate people's intelligence.

    But the latter two are better.

    You are not ashamed to admit to be descended from Sovok colonels. No wonder healthy Ukrainian peasants looked upon you with aversion, as one looks upon a drunk’s vomit.
     
    You are showing here emotional mutilation of such magnitude, that it makes me regret having started this exchange of opinions. You are the kind of person that could get a good slap from me, and there have been few people, that made me do it.

    Me be a pacifist.

    You have not lived in Ukraine, have no idea who the Ukrainian people are, would not have been at home over there, would have been an alien there – it's pointless. You are not a Ukrainian. You don't know what you are talking about.

    And likewise, you have never lived in the Soviet Union, and all these bitter feelings are not from an experience of living there. You are expressing your own, internal, not connected to any of this, emotions. And you are not a happy man.

    These stories you are telling, how you are so fortunate, and your wife is great, and your life is wonderful – are bullshit. You are lying to yourself. You are sitting here, most of the time, and you probably haven't spoken to your beautiful wife in weeks.

    Your life is not a happy man's life.

    You are a bitter, boring, ignorant and insolent prick.

    And who were they before the Revolution? Your one grandmother isn’t enough to redeem you.
     
    For the record, it isn't important, not for me. My grandparents are grandparents, they are not me. My life isn't their life, or a continuation of it. My personal preferences are different, and the things of interest to me are very different from theirs.

    My grandmother entered a university before the war, she had to pause the studies and worked as a nurse near the front lines, and then, after the war, she continued and finished the studies. Her father, and his father, were doctors. Her sister was a doctor as well. Her nephew is a doctor.

    Their family was Hebrew.

    She met my grandfather at the war. He was a Russian, she was born in Ukraine. She had a house, and after the war they moved there, and that's where my mother was born. That house is still standing there, but it doesn't belong to y family anymore.

    They gave it up – to the state, in exchange for a new apartment. They could have kept it, but she didn't want to. She was strange like that.

    Her husband, my grandfather, was a hard and strict person. He ended up becoming a director, that's like the main manager or something, of one of the biggest factories in the region, and wasn't making much. Had a personal driver though.

    My other grandfather was a kind, intelligent and charming person. He was a Ukrainian-born Romanian. The Air Forces colonel, at the end of his career. His wife, my second grandmother, was a Russian from Siberia.

    Her family was a special case.

    Her father was an officer, who came to arrest her grandfather who was a farmer, and instead of arresting him he fell in love with his daughter. Her mother had a talent, a gift, she could see things, like the future, sometimes, and she knew he was coming.

    That's how the lives were going. People can't choose a homeland, or control the politics. One does what he can, making the best of the situation. My grandparents were honest, never stole anything, there's nothing to be ashamed of. They were not bad people.

    And these ideas of yours, about everything being corrupt, and evil, are your own demons in your own head, having nothing to do with the reality. They are your hallucinations.

    You are a sick person.

    And a fool.

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    The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    Comprehensive means of large content or scope; wide-ranging. Therefore it’s more comprehensive.

    In terms of intelligence it is limited to what on the WAIS is covered by the verbal components.

    Just as the Raven’s is limited to the what is covered by the nonverbal portions of the WAIS.

    Hasn’t that been the topic of the last week and haven’t we closed it agreeing that the score of ethnic Russians should have been 101.4 at the time of that test. You are confusing me.

    100.4. I had insisted that the actual ethnic Russian PISA-derived IQ estimate would be about 100.5 and not the 101.2 you had calculated, and it turns out to have been 100.4.

    Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.

    Due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in.

    A person with low income wouldn’t be able to get a loan. So a large pool of people are not able to get in, no matter what the examinations. Your failure to understand that is showing again that you are living in a bubblehead world.

    A person with a low income who is smart enough to get into medical school would not only easily get loans but also scholarships.

    The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.

    However when there happen to be people who are both poor and smart they easily get into medical school. Typically, these are people whose poverty is due to circumstances such as immigration.

    Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.

    Haven’t you read the citation?

    “The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.”

    Have you?

    It refers to the task material and structure, not to the wording of the individual items.

    There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.

    And different norms.

    So it’s here, for a specific test there is a chosen Greenwich IQ. For the PISA it’s the OECD mean score, for the WAIS it’s the US and Canada mean. Yes there are two coefficient variants, for Canada and for the US.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    You first link is reading, “The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range.”

    Your second link, that you think refers to some different norms is an evaluation, to make sure that the current calibration is still valid, because it can change over time.

    Your third article is explaining that the version calibrated for Canada produces lower scores, and since this test is used in medicine and both countries are more or less a common space, cultural and otherwise, it raises a number of problems.

    Indeed. The Canadian and American versions have their separate norms and different items, involving historical events.

    Canadians using the Canadian version of the test use norms that are different from their American colleagues. More:

    https://www.pearsonclinical.ca/content/dam/school/global/clinical/ca/assets/wais-iv-cdn/wais-iv-cdn-update-note-norms-dec2014-can.pdf

    Because Canada has a different history than the USA, different historical questions are asked on the Canadian version of the WAIS:

    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1989-10563-001

    Administered the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale—Revised (WAIS—R), plus Canadian replacement items for biased US items in the Information subtest, to 3 subgroups of the Canadian population (84 17–70 yr old psychiatric patients, 40 16–59 yr old forensic clients, and 20 university undergraduates). It was contended that when the 10 US items are used while testing Canadian population subgroups a cultural bias occurs

    Ireland has its own version with different items also:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261584455_Modification_of_the_WAIS-R_Information_Sub-test_for_Use_with_an_Irish_Population

    And so on.

    “The authors noted that clinicians evaluating patients with acquired cognitive deficits might conclude that a person has a greater degree of cognitive impairment when using the Canadian norms compared with the American norms.”

    This is not how that test is used in other countries.

    The international standard is the US test, and it’s the same for all, and it’s in English. There are some translated versions, to me the German one is familiar, it’s translated from English and it uses the US calibration. The same questions, the same scores.

    And no, there are no questions about historical events.

    Of course there are questions about history. There is a subtest called “information” that tests knowledge of historical events, literature, various trivia.

    I suspect you lied when you said you took this test, one of your many lies.

    And look :

    Different norms for the test in different European countries:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223272046_European_and_American_WAIS_III_norms_Cross-national_differences_in_performance_subtest_scores

    “For this study, European WAIS III performance subtest norms were compared to the original US norms. When European WAIS III raw scores were scored using US norms..”

    Europeans had their own norms, different form American ones.

    Note also that they only compared the performance (nonverbal) subtest items. That is because those ones are probably identical so they could be compared.

    The verbal ones are different. Different items, different questions. They cannot be compared.

    Are you starting to figure it out, Sharikov?

    Do you remember what you wrote “”Being stubborn while being wrong is a disgusting trait?”

    So what it means is that for measuring intelligence in various countries for a comparison, one standard, so called Greenwich IQ, has to be used. You have seen from that last article how complicated that process of calibration is.

    That would make it impossible to estimate the difference between various countries, if there was a separate set of norms for each.

    At what point will Sharikov come to realise that this is exactly why the Ravens’ is used more often for cross-country comparisons?

    For the same reason the PISA test uses one set of norms, calibrated for the OECD countries mean score in sum total, and not counted for each country independently – that wouldn’t make sense, and would make things a lot more cumbersome.

    The whole point of the PISA seems to be to compare countries, so it would have one unified set of norms.

    The point of IQ tests is to compare people to their surrounding population (to determine impairment, ability relative to peers, etc.) . It would be inappropriate to use international universal norms for that purpose.

    This is why countries with their own editions of the WAIS each have their own norms. A German taking the WAIS would be compared to other Germans, and getting a score of 100 would mean his intelligence is exactly average for Germany. And likewise for other places.

    And since the PISA test is based on the school mathematics and science, whatever is implied here, and reading, it’s a lot more comprehensive and reliable, than the Progressive Matrices. However it doesn’t fit for adults. The adults forget.

    They are both comprehensive and reliable, they just measure different aspects of intelligence.

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    You have not lived in Ukraine, have no idea who the Ukrainian people are, would not have been at home over there, would have been an alien there – it’s pointless. You are not a Ukrainian. You don’t know what you are talking about.

    I visit every few years, and am in regular contact with my cousins there. I enjoy my visits there very much. Not only the cities of Kiev and Lviv but also my ancestral village a couple hours from Kiev, where one branch of the family remains (my peasant relatives), we have a feast there when visitors come from America. Tidy village houses, kind and open warm-hearted people, animals, the kids chasing the chickens or jumping up and down on an old bed spring in the yard with their cousins (simple entertainment), my uncle sharing his own homemade salo…

    When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.

    And likewise, you have never lived in the Soviet Union, and all these bitter feelings are not from an experience of living there. You are expressing your own, internal, not connected to any of this, emotions. And you are not a happy man.

    You are myopic as usual. Just because I express disgust at contempt at a grotesque Sovok-created creature such as you does not make me an “arrogant narcissist.” It’s you and a handful of Soviets like you.

    Likewise, my condemnation of the Soviet system and its modern offshoot reflects the subject matter. I suppose I am not completely innocent, because I do not turn away and ignore phenomena such as Soviet people and their state, but I do enjoy political discussions and one is bound to come across such things in that context.

    :::::::::::::::::

    About your own background – so, typical deracinated Soviets. Russian-speaking mixture of Romanians, Jews, Russians. One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?

    Did they then become occupiers, living on Ukrainian territory?

    Children do not carry their parents’ guilt but in your defense of the monstrous system you have not redeemed but continue the evil legacy.

    As for my family, one grandparent from peasants, the other three from nobles. Won’t dox myself by describing my grandparents in more detail than that, but here is grandfather’s uncle whom he was very close to, who cleverly exploited the Soviet occupiers to promote Ukrainian culture and who saved many many lives through his efforts (violent Banderist cretins misunderstood and hated him):

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB_%D0%98%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    He was executed by the Bolsheviks, it was a dangerous game. But putting Galicia into Ukraine was the poison pill that ultimately detached Ukraine from Russia, and hopefully will make possible the renewal of some form of the PLC, Ukraine’s natural home, and undo the treason of Bohdan Khmelytsky.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    In terms of intelligence PISA is limited to what on the WAIS is covered by the verbal components.
     
    The WAIS doesn't have science section. PISA doesn't have logic section.

    Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.
     
    The difference is negligible.

    The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.
     
    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That's a vicious circle.

    Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.
     
    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada. Between the RF, Canada and the US there are 5 more countries.

    The percentage of people with a second degree is highest in the RF. Between the RF and the US there are 16 countries. 58 percent of the Russians have a master's degree. 36 percent of the Americans do.

    There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.
     
    That doesn't make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.
     
    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.

    Europeans had their own norms, different form American ones. At what point will Sharikov come to realise that this is exactly why the Ravens’ is used more often for cross-country comparisons?
     
    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.

    The point of IQ tests is to compare people to their surrounding population. It would be inappropriate to use international universal norms for that purpose.
     
    Using international norms wouldn't make a difference, but would be harder to correlate with the IQ classification, and the classification values would have to be changed instead. That's not a good solution for internal use.

    https://i.postimg.cc/NjhNMFrQ/Chimpanzee.jpg


    When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.
     
    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened. The Ukrainian peasant families hated us, and we did fight with their children. You have the same problem with Negroes.

    About your own background – so, typical deracinated Soviets. Russian-speaking mixture of Romanians, Jews, Russians.
     
    You misunderstand it. We are not deracinated, Ukraine was a homeland, but it wasn't a state. We were the citizens of the USSR.

    We spoke Russian, because that was the common language. Our ethnicities were different, but each one knew who he was. We were not tribal people, but respected our roots.

    For me it's a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group. You are like savages to me.

    To choose either the Ashkenazi or the Romanian side would not be hard for me, a lot easier in fact, than letting it melt into something more interesting.

    One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?
     
    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn't want to, so the law had to be enforced.

    Did they then become occupiers, living on Ukrainian territory?
     
    Two of them were born and raised in Ukraine, the other two were their spouses.

    Children do not carry their parents’ guilt but in your defense of the monstrous system you have not redeemed but continue the evil legacy.
     
    You reference some dark pages of history and extrapolate it on the entire nation. A very emotional, even hysterical frame of mind.

    You must be bored with being yourself.

    Replies: @AP

  771. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Some 20 years ago within Phoenix, one could still spot hummingbirds more frequently than you do today. Same could be said about Mpls 30 - 40 years ago. I guess that hummingbirds prefer more pristine areas, and that as cities expand the resulting pollution drives them away. One Thanksgiving morning a few years back, about mid morning, I saw a large roadrunner sitting in my back yard. Roadrunners are not unusual to see on the outskirts of Phoenix, but rarer in the inner city. It was unusual too, because they're not known for being birds that like to fly too often, and yet the only way it could have gotten into my back yard would have been to fly over a tall cement brick wall surrounding it. If you really enjoy watching birds, you really ought to visit Costa Rica. You can spend long beautiful moments just gazing at birds in their natural environment. It's a birders paradise - there's nothing quite like watching red macaws or toucans in their natural environment, except for possibly howler monkeys, dolphins, whales, or even army ants. Ant eaters and large groupings of wild pigs can be fun to watch too.

    Replies: @songbird

    If you really enjoy watching birds, you really ought to visit Costa Rica.

    To be perfectly frank, the tropics fill me with unbridled terror.

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    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites. The other part of it is the heat and sun. I literally got heatstroke not more than 48 hours ago (actually barfed from it) And the brother of one of my ancestors dropped dead during a heatwave in Boston, when he was quite a young man.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
     
    Could you be a little more precise here?

    The other part of it is the heat and sun.
     
    Why yes, the sun can be oppressive at times (but certainly not all of the time), I use sun screen when I'm swimming in the ocean sometimes, or when hiking for a long period of time. I've never experienced sunburn there. I've gotten really bad sunburn in your neck of the woods, swimming on beaches in Massachusetts near Walden's Pond. In Minnesota and Wisconsin too. Even though Costa Rica is close to the equator, and does get sun, the temperatures are not nearly as warm as you might think. Year round temperatures average anywhere between 72 - 82 degrees Fahrenheit. In the mountainous areas its even cooler still with lush green pastures where you can find booming dairy communities. Beautiful green meadows with streams and lush green pastures filled with cows.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.
     
    Costa Rica has 850 different species of birds that call the country home, not just parrots. I once had the very pleasant experience of lying in a hammock on a shaded porch that I was staying at on the mouth of the Sierpe river, within the Osa peninsula. I was serenaded by a whole symphony of bird songs, with distinguishable patterns and retorts, the likes of something that I've never heard before. One of those kodak moments for the ears and soul.......

    I'm certainly not suggesting that you move there, but a 2 week vacation there might open you up to a very pleasant experience. Sometimes, getting out of your comfort zone can be a worthwhile experience, and push you to experience some extraordinary new things.

    Replies: @sher singh, @songbird

  772. When the world desperately needs less liberalism, guess who comes around to simp for its failures

    Abortion is a crime against humanity

    Trans are a war against nature

    You are not permitted to disagree with this

  773. S says:
    @German_reader
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I've read the entire article.
    There's of course a specifically Jewish subtext of the "Germans weren't punished enough for the Holocaust because of the Cold War" kind (I certainly didn't detect any "sympathy"), but it's emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission - because America's fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn't raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn't forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
    What really pisses me off though is the outright lying about weapons shipments to Ukraine. It's really beyond clear at this point that a lot of media reporting in this regard is driven by agendas that go beyond the Ukrainian issue.

    Replies: @A123, @Triteleia Laxa, @S

    …it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).

    Germany is a vassal state of the US/UK and in that condition is only just short of being an outright automaton. If the US/UK is upset about Germany’s present course of action, it only has to look to itself, as they created modern ‘Germany’.

    The United States should of stayed out of both world wars. It made an already bad situation infinitely worse.

    Besides that, in each instance it’s what the majority of the people of the United States had expressly wanted, ie to stay out, but were ignored.

    • Replies: @216
    @S


    Germany is a vassal state of the US/UK and in that condition is only just short of being an outright automaton. If the US/UK is upset about Germany’s present course of action, it only has to look to itself, as they created modern ‘Germany’.
     
    This is Linke trash. Germany explicitly criticized the Iraq War, rather than doing as they were told by their liegelord. It is Germany more than any other country which wants the garbage "Obama Iran Deal" revived. The German people gave an enormous crowd to Barack Obama, but gave the cold shoulder to their co-ethnic Trump.

    The refugee invasion wasn't ordered by Obama or Cameron, it was imposed by Merkel.

    Some "vassal". Which never pays anything in tribute to Redstan.
  774. 216 says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend
    Just quickly about Turkey's apparent U-turn on NATO.

    Most of the "concessions" are useless fluff like "work together on intel" and "extradite terrorists". Both Finland and Sweden have agreed to lift our arms embargo. It never made much sense to begin with, as it stymied our MIC.

    The real prizes that Turkey sought - getting back to F-35 programme or at least getting off the shelf F-16s - failed badly for them. There was also talk that Turkey attempted to get something on the long stalled visa-free access to the EU, but nothing here either.

    The only thing that concerns me is that we had apparently agreed to support their entry into PESCO, which forms the seed to a European alternative to NATO. Though this concession could potentially be useless if Greece can block their entry. Still, on purely principal grounds, we shouldn't have granted them even a token gesture, however useless.

    I suspect the only real valuable thing that Turkey managed to get was a green light from the US - the real master of NATO - to crush the Kurds in Northern Syria. It's hard to see why Turkey would give up their opposition if they didn't at least get that because the list otherwise is surprisingly empty of any tangible achievements of note for Ankara.

    Replies: @216

    I suspect the only real valuable thing that Turkey managed to get was a green light from the US – the real master of NATO

    The US only gets “deference” in NATO when a Democrat is in office. Neither Bush nor Trump got anything but trouble from France/Germany. Quite disgusting actually, given how much both nations freeload off the US.

  775. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    My wife had to look the hawk up since she did not recognize it. That's saying something since she is really interested in the bird identification and has a running tally of somewhere around 60 species identified immediately around our property.


    I remember seeing a frog without its skin
     
    You've probably heard about cattle skinned or drained of blood being found, but have you considered that the frog was done by very tiny aliens? LOL

    We have a fair number of hummingbirds here too and they are really neat to be around. It just blows my mind that they manage to migrate. Somehow, with their caloric needs it seems even more amazing to me than the Monarch butterfly migration. The NE doesn't have much of a reputation for noteworthy wildlife, but there is some really incredible stuff out there!

    Replies: @songbird

    You’ve probably heard about cattle skinned or drained of blood being found

    I don’t say that I believe in them, but I am a big fan of cryptids. I once tried to convince someone to build a fake Chupacabra. My idea was to set it up at night and have red, glowing eyes, and make some sort of fake cow with a bladder that would deflate, while it was being “sucked.”

    Amusingly, I was recently listening to this guy who says that the hobbits on the Isle of Flores aren’t extinct and that the natives have a word for them.

    but have you considered that the frog was done by very tiny aliens?

    My original theories ran to witches or to practical jokers.

    with their caloric needs it seems even more amazing to me than the Monarch butterfly migration

    Agree, but some of the little birds that stay and cache food are pretty amazing too, as are winter moths.

    The NE doesn’t have much of a reputation for noteworthy wildlife, but there is some really incredible stuff out there!

    Agree again. Used to think that ants herding aphids was something you can only see in the jungle, but you can see it up here too. Also, tree frogs. Not to mention wood frogs, which actually physically freeze and then dethaw, and i think mate on the same day that they dethaw.

  776. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.
     
    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.

    Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas.
     
    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.
     
    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.
     
    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century. You may want to revisit that conversation. You have certainly forgotten that you were wrong.

    And you are wrong now, the same way.

    An attempt of independence isn't independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years, during the civil war, and never was an independent state. Declarations and proclamations don't mean anything. They are papers.

    The Germans had nothing to do with the borders of the Ukrainian Socialist Republic.

    Replies: @AP

    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.

    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.

    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    “Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas.”

    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.

    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy under the Romanovs. Instead it is a continuation of the RSFSR, which had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian until after the Soviet takeover. Check the 1897 census. For example, Kherson governate, which included both Kherson and Odessa regions:

    http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd.php?reg=1642

    54% Little Russian (Ukrainian) by language, only 21% Great Russian by language

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.

    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people

    Sharikov lies again.

    Odessa oblast:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8

    63% Ukrainian, 21% Russian

    In 1970 under Soviets it was 55% Ukrainian, 24% Russian.

    Odessa city once had a Russian majority but the region overall was always majority Ukrainian.

    This is even more true of Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, etc.

    Only Crimea and the parts of Donbas that left Ukraine in 2014 had Russian majorities.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.

    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century.

    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.

    An attempt of independence isn’t independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years

    And a kitchen isn’t a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household. Lol.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories. The Bolsheviks never gave Ukraine those territories.

    When the Ukrainian SSR was created it was based on the territory of the UPR.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP


    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.
     
    You are not seriously suggesting that the 2014 Donbass uprising was just the Russian army sneaking in undercover?

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.
     
    Which made just ignoring Russia a mistake. Zelensky was elected on a platform of of putting that agreement into practice. Vlod and Vlad have both made military and democratic errors

    Replies: @AP

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/vm7MmjPm/Hero-of-Ukraine.png


    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did. Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.
     
    Forced or not doesn't matter, the point is that the war wouldn't have begun if Ukraine had implemented these agreements.

    The US didn’t send soldiers but did send commanders, instructors, and did orchestrate the coup. No need to send soldiers when there's cheap cannon fodder.

    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy. RSFSR had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).
     
    A man can change a name and get a new passport, but it doesn't change his personal history and who he is, it doesn't cancel his inheritance right and doesn't cancel his debt. The same applies to countries.

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian.
     
    You keep either ignoring the facts, or exaggerating and diminishing the significance of facts, in order to make the fit to the narrative. Your entire historical picture is a distorted caricature.

    Here is the census of the cities in the east and south of Ukraine, with the number of Russians followed with the number of Ukrainians, going from the south-west to the east.

    Odessa, 198 233 – 37 925; Nikolaev, 61 023 – 7 780; Kherson, 27 902 – 11 591; Melitopol, 6 630 – 1 366; Berdyansk, 17 502 – 4 115; Mariupol, 19 670 – 3 125; Yeketerinoslav, 47 140 – 17 787; Kharkov, 109 914 – 45 092.

    From this it's obvious who founded, built and populated these cities. On top of that, Kiev was and therefore is a Russian city as well, 134 278 – 55 064.

    You on the other hand are bringing up the rural population that migrated from the neighboring areas to work in the fields, who were given pieces of land in order to attract them. You on that account are calling the entire region Ukrainian.

    The same can be said about the South Africa, where the Europeans had founded and built the cities and then were outnumbered with peasant population, and disempowered on account that there were more Negroes in the neighboring areas.

    These peasants are incapable of building and managing a state, or even a province, on their own and are insignificant, being nothing but a cheap labor manpower. Those who are in the cities are the people who matter, the peasants are not.

    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.
     
    You keep confusing fantasies with realities. A sovereign ruler is a supreme ruler, a monarch. He was recognized as a governor of a Polish province.

    We have talked about that before, let's not go back to what has been done. You lost that argument.

    And a kitchen isn’t a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household.
     
    Of course a kitchen isn’t a room, at least in Europe. A living room and bedrooms are counted as rooms; a kitchen, a hall, a storage room, etc. are not counted as rooms.

    The same as in the definition of a household dependent children are not counted as householders, but the people who share expenditures are counted as the householders.

    A person who can reason and count, unlike those who remember information and think it makes them intelligent, would have noticed that with such a definition the number 1.8 for the room per person is correct and otherwise it isn't.

    A person who can reason and count would have understand, that a number of two people in the household, on average, points out that children are not counted, otherwise that would mean that on average people have no children.

    An ape can't reason, an ape can't count. An ape in a suit is not a human.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories.
     
    The Germans lost and the treaties were cancelled. Treaties are papers, a failure is a failure. Learn to tell fantasies from realities.

    Have a good night.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Philip Owen
    @AP

    Russia's extra diplomatic involvement began with a intermittent blockade of Ukrainian exports to Russia in August 2013. This provoked the end of discussions with the EU and thus the Maidan demonstrations. Surkov then hijacked the Maidan with extreme violence to justify Malofeev's employees Girkin and Borodai with hangers on invading the Donbas. Surkov then funded dissident SBU elements to join them.

  777. 216 says: • Website
    @S
    @German_reader


    ...it’s emblematic of more general attitudes among US opinion-makers towards Germany (condescension, expectation of total submission – because America’s fantastic foreign policy track record over the last 30 years apparently shouldn’t raise any questions -, outrage if that submission isn’t forthcoming 100% and accuations of Nazism/anti-Westernism/totalitarianism).
     
    Germany is a vassal state of the US/UK and in that condition is only just short of being an outright automaton. If the US/UK is upset about Germany's present course of action, it only has to look to itself, as they created modern 'Germany'.

    The United States should of stayed out of both world wars. It made an already bad situation infinitely worse.

    Besides that, in each instance it's what the majority of the people of the United States had expressly wanted, ie to stay out, but were ignored.

    https://youtu.be/Rr8ljRgcJNM

    Replies: @216

    Germany is a vassal state of the US/UK and in that condition is only just short of being an outright automaton. If the US/UK is upset about Germany’s present course of action, it only has to look to itself, as they created modern ‘Germany’.

    This is Linke trash. Germany explicitly criticized the Iraq War, rather than doing as they were told by their liegelord. It is Germany more than any other country which wants the garbage “Obama Iran Deal” revived. The German people gave an enormous crowd to Barack Obama, but gave the cold shoulder to their co-ethnic Trump.

    The refugee invasion wasn’t ordered by Obama or Cameron, it was imposed by Merkel.

    Some “vassal”. Which never pays anything in tribute to Redstan.

  778. @Wokechoke
    @Here Be Dragon

    recidivist, violent and incompetent niggers most likely.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Most likely.

    There are plenty of Dagestani, Chechen, Kazakh and other ethnic criminal groups in Russia as well. The Georgians control most of the organized crime.

  779. A123 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz

    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest. That’s the greatest drawback of all bioweapons: they do not differentiate between “our guys” and the “enemy” (or, using the terms of the apocryphal Roosevelt quote, between “our sons of bitches” and “their sons of bitches”).

    I know that the virus is real (I know people who had a serious case of covid), but I feel that ~90% of covid scare was manufactured by the media as a psychological weapon: otherwise it’s impossible to explain how Putin essentially cured the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine. Now Dems are “curing” the US of their faults (including stupid Russia policy) by diverting the attention to the abortion issue. All this proves the quote ascribed to Goebbels “give me the media and I will make any nation a herd of swine”.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz

    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.

    Apparently the CCP thinks it is getting something out of their release of the WUHAN-19 release. It is a long term investment in central authoritarian control: (1)

    Beijing Communist Chief Announces Five More Years of Lockdowns

    Cai Qi, the Chinese Communist Party secretary of Beijing, told state media Monday that the city would adhere to its “zero-Covid” policy of lockdowns and quarantines for the next five years.

    State media rapidly deleted his comment — and Chinese censors relentlessly scrubbed it from websites — after a burst of shock and outrage on social media.

    The original quote from Cai, as published by the state-run Beijing Daily, read as follows: “In the next five years, Beijing will unremittingly grasp the normalization of epidemic prevention and control.”

    The rest of the article made it clear that Cai was talking about the harsh lockdowns of residential compounds, districts, and entire cities that have plagued China this year, most notoriously in Shanghai.

    Stop and consider:

        • Trump had no reason to sabotage his own re-election. There is a 0% chance that this was an officially sanctioned U.S. operation.

        • An illicit #NeverTrump operation is quite problematic, though I concede it is not impossible.

        • Why not consider a scenario where the CCP unleashed the WUHAN-19 virus on their own citizens? Central Elites would be well placed to wield authoritarian controls if they knew the problem was impending as they caused it.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/06/27/beijing-communist-chief-announces-five-more-years-lockdowns/

    • Replies: @216
    @A123

    Damn, even the Party elite gets censored.

  780. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.

    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.
     
    US didn't send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    "Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas."

    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.
     
    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy under the Romanovs. Instead it is a continuation of the RSFSR, which had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory's population. And "still speaking Russian" is a lie - majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian until after the Soviet takeover. Check the 1897 census. For example, Kherson governate, which included both Kherson and Odessa regions:

    http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd.php?reg=1642

    54% Little Russian (Ukrainian) by language, only 21% Great Russian by language

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.

    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people
     
    Sharikov lies again.

    Odessa oblast:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8

    63% Ukrainian, 21% Russian

    In 1970 under Soviets it was 55% Ukrainian, 24% Russian.

    Odessa city once had a Russian majority but the region overall was always majority Ukrainian.

    This is even more true of Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, etc.

    Only Crimea and the parts of Donbas that left Ukraine in 2014 had Russian majorities.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.

    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century.
     
    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.

    An attempt of independence isn’t independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years
     
    And a kitchen isn't a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household. Lol.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories. The Bolsheviks never gave Ukraine those territories.

    When the Ukrainian SSR was created it was based on the territory of the UPR.

    Replies: @Sean, @Here Be Dragon, @Philip Owen

    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.

    You are not seriously suggesting that the 2014 Donbass uprising was just the Russian army sneaking in undercover?

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    Which made just ignoring Russia a mistake. Zelensky was elected on a platform of of putting that agreement into practice. Vlod and Vlad have both made military and democratic errors

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean


    You are not seriously suggesting that the 2014 Donbass uprising was just the Russian army sneaking in undercover?
     
    Of course not. But without Russian involvement the uprising would not have lasted more than a couple of months, if that. Warlords from Russia such as Girkin and “Motorola” played a critical role, as did Chechen war volunteers, arms shipments, etc. The first PM of Donetsk and one of his two vice prime ministers were Russians (one of whom had set up the Transnistria republic). This was not exclusively, but heavily, a Russian project.

    “Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.”

    Which made just ignoring Russia a mistake
     
    In 2014-2015 Ukraine barely had a military and wouldn’t have lasted long against Russia. In 2022 it’s military has been sufficient to fight Russia off for 4 months and counting, probably to an eventual standstill. Ukraine probably assumed Russia knew this too, and therefore would not have invaded.

    Zelensky was elected on a platform of of putting that agreement into practice
     
    Yes, but not on a platform of unconditional surrender.

    Replies: @Sean

  781. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    You are talking propaganda now.


    But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.
     
    Russia is not that much different from the UK in that respect. The index of inequality is 37.5 for the RF and 34.8 for the UK, and 41.4 for the US.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s. The most impressive building of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.
     
    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD was no more secret than FBI, and it wasn't the police. Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.

    https://i.postimg.cc/y6njPPxG/Iset-Hotel.jpg

    Constructivist architecture.

    America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state. In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however.
     
    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than in the US.

    Here is The New York Times in 1991.

    More than one million Americans are in jail or prison, either awaiting trial or serving time, the report said. It said that 426 of every 100,000 residents of the United States are incarcerated.

    The Soviet Union ranks third in overall incarceration with 268 per 100,000 residents.
     
    Now the rate in the US is 629, and in the RF 326.

    U.S. Has Highest Rate of Imprisonment in World
    https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/07/us/us-has-highest-rate-of-imprisonment-in-world.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @AP

    Russia is not that much different from the UK

    To claim UK and Russia are similar in inequality, you would have to know nothing about either country, historically unaware of the last 30 years what has happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to lack any knowledge about the robbery and asset-stripping in the postsoviet countries.

    But perhaps it is interesting for me to write about this topic for the other people here.

    Russia can be only look a few points unequal by gini co-efficient (which is referring to annual income movement in each year), but in a different level of unequality in wealth distribution, which is more static and measures ownership of the country under the capitalist system.

    Inequality of capitalism is created primarily in ownership, not annual income (unless you are in a meritocracy), and ownership in Russia is restricted to increasingly narrow circles since the public property was distributed to a very small percentage of people in the 1990s.

    As a result of this process, after the end of the USSR, Russia became one of the most unequal countries in the world, especially in the highest percents, where it is having rivalry for the world’s most unequal country with South Africa and Brazil.

    Top 1% of the population in Russia has almost 50% of the country’s wealth. This is the area where Russia is world’s most unequal country except South Africa and Brazil.

    Even the top 10% (where this is less extreme) has 20 times more wealth than the bottom 50% of the population.

    In the middle 40% in Russia, has only 23% ownership. This is a middle class that has been asset stripped to half.

    As for other measures like income inequality and regional inequality. In the Kingdom, absolute incomes are very significantly higher, so relative inequality has less negative effects for people in the bottom. The concept of poverty is very different in UK than in Russia.

    From the government, perspective, in UK there is 0% tax rate for the first $15,000 of annual income of the British citizens, while in Russia there is flat taxation rate. UK has progressive taxation, while in Russia regressive taxation.

    There is high quality of public services accessible for the public of the United Kingdom, and strong “welfare”, including free housing and free income payment. Infrastructure spending and life quality will be high across the country, while in Russia there is extreme interregional inequality in terms of public investment and infrastructure.

    In terms of a basic spending for e.g. food. Great Britain’s citizens need to spend only 10%, while 31,2% in Russia, and 50% in Ukraine. https://ria.ru/20181217/1547989821.html

    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD

    This the meaning of the secret police, nobody is saying they literally have to be secret (unknown for the public). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police

    Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.Constructivist architecture.

    Yes I know what the architecture is. It was the most impressive architecture of the 1930s in Sverdlovsk, which is for the NKVD – i.e. the secret police. In the police state, the secret police are one of the most important institutions, receiving the monumentalist architecture and buildings.

    US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than

    In early 1950s there were the high estimate of 2,4 million in the prison camps. So, the imprisonment rate will be far higher, closer to 1300 per hundred thousand. There is the low estimate of 1,7 million, which still would be 900 imprisoned, per hundred thousand. So, even in the low estimate, there is a higher imprisonment rate. Moreover, a significant proportion include political prisoners.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I saw the words "asset stripped" in the body of the comment and I immediately knew it was from Dmitry.

    It's like your calling card. I'm not making fun of the term, by the way, I actually rather like it as it describes the condition quite accurately. Synonyms like impoverished don't really convey the same sense of intentional transfer.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry


    This the meaning of the secret police.
     
    No secret police, no meaning, it's bullshit from a book someone wrote.

    In the police state, the secret police are one of the most important institutions, receiving the monumentalist architecture and buildings.
     
    https://i.postimg.cc/rmcHnm98/mi6.png

    There were the high estimate of 2,4 million in the prison camps.
     
    There were no estimates, it's propaganda.
  782. @AnonfromTN
    @Ron Unz

    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest. That’s the greatest drawback of all bioweapons: they do not differentiate between “our guys” and the “enemy” (or, using the terms of the apocryphal Roosevelt quote, between “our sons of bitches” and “their sons of bitches”).

    I know that the virus is real (I know people who had a serious case of covid), but I feel that ~90% of covid scare was manufactured by the media as a psychological weapon: otherwise it’s impossible to explain how Putin essentially cured the whole world of covid by starting an operation in Ukraine. Now Dems are “curing” the US of their faults (including stupid Russia policy) by diverting the attention to the abortion issue. All this proves the quote ascribed to Goebbels “give me the media and I will make any nation a herd of swine”.

    Replies: @A123, @Ron Unz

    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.

    Sure, it obviously ended up being a total disaster for the US (and our NATO allies). But the problem wasn’t the initial deployment, just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Under my hypothesis, a major contributing factor was that the Covid release had been a rogue operation, so that neither Trump nor most of his top officials were aware of the dangers until it was too late.

    • Replies: @216
    @Ron Unz


    rogue operation
     
    Cui bono?

    Anthony Fauci, the first American dictator.

    just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.
     
    Yes, we should all shut up and obey the Party, we certainly don't want to lose social credit points. Years of ruinous lockdowns will show the decadent West who has the Mandate of Heaven. And ordinary white conservatives are carrying out attacks on hapless Asians every single day and must be disarmed. Everything that the Global Times says is completely true.

    /s
    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Ron Unz

    There are no control measures that a liberal polity can take which will succeed in the long term. Were you in charge of the US government, and you even had mind-control over every single US governmental employee, you still would not be able to do what China has done. The American public would simply not obey you. Do you not understand this?

    You should also note that the majority of scientists realised that Covid could not be controlled, that it would stay around forever, and that any vaccines would be largely ineffective*. In other words, no scientists would see it as a suitable bioweapon of any sort.

    As for why you don't know this, no one consistently had the courage to tell the public these facts, as the public would shoot the messenger who told them that many were going to die and there was really nothing to do about it. Even now, a substantial minority of the world's population are terrified of Covid and spend most of their time isolated "sheltering" at home. I even still frequently see people wearing useless cloth masks while driving alone in their car.

    *Scientific opinion actually turned out to be somewhat wrong as regards the vaccines as the MRNA ones represent miraculous advancements in technology, and the others are not too bad.

    Nonetheless, they continue to become less effective, even as natural immunity has thankfully increased. This means that those who went through pain in the past, will go through less pain in the future. And those who delayed their pain, also heaped disruption, authoritarianism, loneliness and all other manner of ill effects, on themselves.

    The truth is that the Western scientific consensus from before the pandemic, on similar possible pandemics, was correct. Unsurprising really, since exercises are and were constantly run across all parts of government, every year and often multiple times in a year. They are what happen when someone important decides they want to test their organisation/make a name for themselves/look like they are doing something.

    The CMO and CSO in the UK openly stated everything I have said at the beginning, though the media tried to crucify them for it. Trying to control a virus as infectious as Covid is futile. You can only delay its spread, which there is a case for doing in order to stop hospitals from being overrun. Or if you know a cure is coming, but almost no one expected an even partially successful vaccine. And even with a partially successful vaccine, China has mostly only succeeded in delaying their pain. The vaccine's immunity is short-lived and superficial, in that it does not seem to translate well between strains, which ever multiply. Though there probably is a risky case to be made for vaccinating people and then ensuring that they are infected straight after!

    One exception is Japan, which had no lockdowns and very little Covid spread, but I am not sure anyone actually understands how...

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Ron Unz

    Excuse me for interrupting, but why can't we post videos from Telegram?

  783. @A123
    @Ron Unz

    Occam's Razor points to a much simpler scenarios.

    Consider what has been admitted: (1)


    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

    It’s another Fauci flub.

    The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

    In a letter to Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.) on Wednesday, a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance — the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled US funds to the Wuhan lab — for not being transparent about the work it was doing.

    NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”
     

    The single source attesting to Wuhan lab security stated unequivocally that the facility was not performing gain-of-function research. We have proof that assertion was wrong. This makes the single source for lab security dubious, at best.

    Back to Occam's Razor, two closely related possibilities exist:

        --A-- The single source was wrong, and WUHAN-19 is a simple lab leak.

        --B-- Team #NeverTrump launched an illicit Black Op aimed at his defeat. The simplest scenario for this mission is obtaining WUHAN-19 from the Wuhan lab for release in Wuhan.

    There is no credible reason for a convoluted mission to transport a virus that, due to NIH funding, was available on-site in Wuhan.

    PEACE 😇
    _________

    (1) https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/

    Replies: @Ron Unz

    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

    The single source attesting to Wuhan lab security stated unequivocally that the facility was not performing gain-of-function research. We have proof that assertion was wrong. This makes the single source for lab security dubious, at best.

    As far as I know, nobody’s disputed that the Wuhan lab was doing genetic experimentation on bat coronaviruses. After all, the “Bat Lady” had co-authored some research papers with that Baric fellow from UNC.

    However, there’s ZERO evidence that any of this had anything to do with Covid, and that Australian virologist who was working at the Wuhan lab around that time is pretty sure it didn’t. If the Wuhan lab were doing Covid-related research, you’d expect them to have published some papers on that subject, but they didn’t.

    And the Fauci/EcoHealth Alliance funding is largely a red-herring. I think they only provided a few hundred thousand dollars over a couple of years. According to Wikipedia, the Wuhan lab had a staff of almost 300, so that would have been just a tiny sliver of their budget.

    Anyway, none of that would explain why Robert Kadlec, America’s top biowarfare advocate, had spent eight months running the federal/state Crimson Contagion exercise on defending American society against infection from a dangerous Chinese respiratory virus…just a few weeks before exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan!

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#summary-analysis

    • Replies: @216
    @Ron Unz


    Anyway, none of that would explain why Robert Kadlec, America’s top biowarfare advocate, had spent eight months running the federal/state Crimson Contagion exercise on defending American society against infection from a dangerous Chinese respiratory virus…just a few weeks before exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan!

     

    The 1918 flu pandemic originated in China, SARS originated in China, The 1957 and 1968 flu pandemics originated in China.
  784. @A123
    @AnonfromTN


    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.
     
    Apparently the CCP thinks it is getting something out of their release of the WUHAN-19 release. It is a long term investment in central authoritarian control: (1)

    Beijing Communist Chief Announces Five More Years of Lockdowns

    Cai Qi, the Chinese Communist Party secretary of Beijing, told state media Monday that the city would adhere to its “zero-Covid” policy of lockdowns and quarantines for the next five years.

    State media rapidly deleted his comment — and Chinese censors relentlessly scrubbed it from websites — after a burst of shock and outrage on social media.

    The original quote from Cai, as published by the state-run Beijing Daily, read as follows: “In the next five years, Beijing will unremittingly grasp the normalization of epidemic prevention and control.”

    The rest of the article made it clear that Cai was talking about the harsh lockdowns of residential compounds, districts, and entire cities that have plagued China this year, most notoriously in Shanghai.
     

    Stop and consider:

        • Trump had no reason to sabotage his own re-election. There is a 0% chance that this was an officially sanctioned U.S. operation.

        • An illicit #NeverTrump operation is quite problematic, though I concede it is not impossible.

        • Why not consider a scenario where the CCP unleashed the WUHAN-19 virus on their own citizens? Central Elites would be well placed to wield authoritarian controls if they knew the problem was impending as they caused it.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2022/06/27/beijing-communist-chief-announces-five-more-years-lockdowns/

    Replies: @216

    Damn, even the Party elite gets censored.

  785. 216 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @A123


    NIH admits US funded gain-of-function in Wuhan — despite Fauci’s denials

    The single source attesting to Wuhan lab security stated unequivocally that the facility was not performing gain-of-function research. We have proof that assertion was wrong. This makes the single source for lab security dubious, at best.
     
    As far as I know, nobody's disputed that the Wuhan lab was doing genetic experimentation on bat coronaviruses. After all, the "Bat Lady" had co-authored some research papers with that Baric fellow from UNC.

    However, there's ZERO evidence that any of this had anything to do with Covid, and that Australian virologist who was working at the Wuhan lab around that time is pretty sure it didn't. If the Wuhan lab were doing Covid-related research, you'd expect them to have published some papers on that subject, but they didn't.

    And the Fauci/EcoHealth Alliance funding is largely a red-herring. I think they only provided a few hundred thousand dollars over a couple of years. According to Wikipedia, the Wuhan lab had a staff of almost 300, so that would have been just a tiny sliver of their budget.

    Anyway, none of that would explain why Robert Kadlec, America's top biowarfare advocate, had spent eight months running the federal/state Crimson Contagion exercise on defending American society against infection from a dangerous Chinese respiratory virus...just a few weeks before exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan!

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#summary-analysis

    Replies: @216

    Anyway, none of that would explain why Robert Kadlec, America’s top biowarfare advocate, had spent eight months running the federal/state Crimson Contagion exercise on defending American society against infection from a dangerous Chinese respiratory virus…just a few weeks before exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan!

    The 1918 flu pandemic originated in China, SARS originated in China, The 1957 and 1968 flu pandemics originated in China.

  786. 216 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.
     
    Sure, it obviously ended up being a total disaster for the US (and our NATO allies). But the problem wasn't the initial deployment, just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Under my hypothesis, a major contributing factor was that the Covid release had been a rogue operation, so that neither Trump nor most of his top officials were aware of the dangers until it was too late.

    Replies: @216, @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

    rogue operation

    Cui bono?

    Anthony Fauci, the first American dictator.

    just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Yes, we should all shut up and obey the Party, we certainly don’t want to lose social credit points. Years of ruinous lockdowns will show the decadent West who has the Mandate of Heaven. And ordinary white conservatives are carrying out attacks on hapless Asians every single day and must be disarmed. Everything that the Global Times says is completely true.

    /s

  787. sher singh says:
    @A123
    @A123


    Given its appearance in 1776 one should immediately grasp that the 2nd Amendment
     
    This should, of course, read 1787.

    The U.S. Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation (1777-1787).

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sher singh

    The Saxons viewed being armed as the mark of freedmen. Nothing in the bible about it,
    Monotheist de-sacralising of violence is seen in how John Locke viewed war as without just cause or rules.

    This thinking ignores the lead up to violence, the root causes or social factors for why men fight.
    Heck, it ignores the concept of warriorship entirely which is the core problem of Abrahamic monotheism.

    Now run back to your jewish masters with the open wound on your dick faggot.

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  788. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Serbia is a typical Eastern European country
     
    .

    Serbia is not a typical EE country in the sense that it is not aligned with the West. In that sense it is a special EE country that's different from others (Poland, Slovakia, et al). Ukraine after 2014 falls within the pro-Western category and it would be treated similarly as those countries, not like Serbia.


    It dismantles your argument.
     
    No, it doesn't. NATO did not build any significant bases in countries such as Poland, the Baltic States, etc. Up until now there haven't been any serious contingency plans and only now conversation has begun about switching to access denial (unfortunately, it took a Russian invasion of Ukraine to come to this basic understanding, that was careless). Ukraine even before February was more militarized than those EE NATO states. Because Ukraine built her own weapons. Without the Russian invasion, the hypothetical cooperation between Ukraine and NATO would be just as bland as with those others EE states (except Serbia). But, as I noted, even that would not be acceptable to Russia (so it doesn't change the big picture). Russia wouldn't wait until real bases are built in Ukraine and real militarization happens, in fact, Russia started this to prevent Ukraine's own, home grown militarization. It's just the consequence of this has been more NATO involvement (the opposite of what Russia tried to achieve).

    The same applies to Donbas and other Russians in the east-south of Ukraine. You have a lot of understanding for one side and completely ignore the other side. Again.
     
    No. Please do not distort my words, do not make things up about what I know or ignore and please do not openly ignore what I said (blank outs again). I mentioned to you yesterday that "those people (eg., Donbas residents) are different", meaning they have their own identity. I told you that I have myself seen these people in my home country years ago, and that they dress differently than us (or even modern Russians). Some of them have the same clothing style that was used in the USSR in the late 1980s and then early 90s. That doesn't mean they should be attacked, much less murdered. I specifically told you that ideally they should have been left alone. I am perfectly aware that there are also young men on that side, who are being hurt because of this terrible dead end situation. There are tragic stories -- a boy who's parents were killed in 2014, 8 years later, turns 18 and joins the militia and is thrown into this hell. What a fate.

    My suggestion for better policies post-Maidan was specific: don’t ban the Russian language,
     
    One option would have been to gradually introduce bilingual education. Just so they feel at least some affinity to Ukraine. A lot of them are already bilingual (I have actually met refugees from Donbas, a Russophone woman who knew Ukrainian well, just didn't feel like using it daily). Language is not the only issue there. There are other issues, geopolitical orientation, view of history, etc. But even with that they could've just been left alone, let them celebrate what they want, just make sure the border is well guarded and there is no separatist militia operating there and no separatist ideologies floating around.

    don’t bomb your rebellious provinces after taking over Kiev in a rebellion,
     
    I've already said before that Ukraine was forced to defend itself from being carved up. I have often wondered why a special operation wasn't carried out before the hostilities started, there was a brief moment when this may have been possible (although there were those who claimed for years that a war is inevitable, no matter what) but apparently the territory is too big. A timely disarming of militia may or may not have been possible. Russian military is also a factor there.

    Unless that identity demands hatred and murder of Russians
     
    If Russians have genocidal goals towards their neighbors, then yes, they will be hated. Those are simply Laws of Nature, they can't be changed. Even less is required to hate someone - just their decade long condescending attitudes and threats are enough. That has nothing to do with the actual identity (that's a separate thing that's objective, Russia or no Russia, Ukrainian identity is not tied to Russia but it exists on its own).

    All this talk is useless in the context of what is happening right now when Russia is wiping out whole cities and terrorizing the civilian population at an unprecedented level (maybe only comparable to Grozny).

    Replies: @Sean, @Dmitry

    Serbia is not a typical EE

    I know there are some political considerations (e.g. “Warsaw Pact” included Central Europe like Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia), surely but Serbia is not Eastern Europe.

    It is Southern Europe, whether geographically or culturally.

    In terms of 20th century politics, they were Yugoslavia, which was non-aligned West of the “Iron Curtain”. In 19th century, they had some more “Eastern” influence in Ottoman Empire. But in terms of longitude, they also are central-west Europe.

    Although I guess, if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.

    My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a “magnetophone”, lol), and decent locally made speakers.

    Do you know which speakers they are? I know there was famous radios from Tallin.

    And “Estonia” was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today even despite the postsoviet deindustrialization (almost all the Soviet musical factories were closed by the 2000s).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.
     
    Ok, I won't object. :D According to your map, the northernmost point of Europe is The Rudolf Island (Russia).


    Do you know which speakers they are?
     
    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika) that were among the most advanced in the SU.

    And “Estonia” was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today
     
    Yea, they have a lot of nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dmitry

    I'm trying to remember what the Soviet multi-band radios were called which were sold in the UK. Zenith?

    I have a LOMO LC-A camera somewhere at home, and TAL telescopes were pretty popular with UK amateur astronomers - very stable mount IIRC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomo_LC-A

    I've just remembered I had a cheap Rigonda mono record player, a mono version of this.

    https://www.radios-tv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rigonda2.jpg

    Replies: @LatW, @Lurker

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry

    That map reflects a fading delusion. The fact that most of Russian territory isn’t green should ring a bell. While there was (and still is, however reduced) fraction in Russia believing that it is Europe, in reality Russia isn’t. It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt. Europeans who think that this will pass soon should think again. Life is irreversible, and so is history.

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia, same as Indochina or India. Calling Europe a continent can only be explained by delusions of grandeur. These delusions might have had some basis in reality a century or two ago, but now they are clearly anachronistic. Ironically, the EU and UK work harder than anyone to drive whatever remains of Europe into the ground. In the emerging multi-polar world the US will likely remain one of the poles, but Europe won’t.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @216, @Coconuts

  789. Forget if I mentioned this idea before, but it would be interesting to try to come up with an historical database of all the notable men who were bald, like medieval annals (often enters into their nicknames), to try to test theories about the influence of testosterone.

  790. A123 says: • Website

    Mr. Unz,

    Would you like to reconcile two of your quotes?

    Robert Kadlec, America’s top biowarfare advocate, had spent eight months running the federal/state Crimson Contagion exercise on defending American society against infection from a dangerous Chinese respiratory virus…just a few weeks before exactly that sort of virus suddenly appeared in Wuhan!

    our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Under my hypothesis, a major contributing factor was that the Covid release had been a rogue operation, so that neither Trump nor most of his top officials were aware of the dangers until it was too late.

    The only way I can bring these two ideas together is if Kadlec was part of the rogue #NeverTrump operation and deliberately spiked the legitimate government response.

    Is Robert Kadlec is an active conspirator who needs to be investigated?

    Admittedly, hubris is a Globalist character flaw. However, does this not seem exceedingly clumsy? Pointing a giant arrow at someone who will have their life shredded by a MAGA run Congressional investigation.

    PEACE 😇

  791. S says:

    Every few years in the United States a tractor trailer hauling a load of wage slaves (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) will be found abandoned, and dozens of suffocated, starved, and, or, dehydrated corpses found ‘stacked’ inside the sealed trailer.

    This just happened (again!) in the US when an abandoned tractor-trailer was discovered in Texas with approximately fifty dead found inside the trailer. (See link below).

    This has a close (and not at all coincidental) parallel with the ocean going ships of the chattel slave trade, whom also on occasion, and for a variety of reasons, would inhumanely discard their slaves to their deaths mid voyage. An infamous example of this was the British slaver Zong which in 1781 had murdered 130 of it’s slave ‘cargo’ by throwing them overboard into the Atlantic Ocean.

    Other parallels abound, such as how both chattel and wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’) have their unskilled and ‘skilled’ laborers, the latter in the case of wage slavery being the H-1B visa holders, whom typically get better ‘perks’ than the unskilled wage slaves.

    Many writers have commented in passing how it seems that the wage slaves (ie ‘cheap labor’) are doing exactly the same work the chattel slaves had been doing.

    Indeed!

    [MORE]

    Being that chattel slavery and it’s trade was monetized* in the early 19th century (rather than ‘abolished’) with the introduction of wage slavery, ie specifically the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system, the economic and political basis of the modern progressive multi-cultural state, a state which closely parallels the Anglosphere chattel slave holding society it directly evolved from, the close parallels between chattel and wage slavery should not be surprising. They should instead be expected.

    In this light, claiming chattel slavery and its trade was abolished when simultaneously wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’) emerged, would be the same as if someone whom had frozen liquid water into ice were to make the spurious claim that in so doing they had ‘abolished’ water, when in actual fact all they had done was merely transform water into a different form, ie liquid water into ice water, it still being water or H2O at it’s core in each case.

    It is the same with chattel and wage slavery, each being merely different manifestations of the same core phenomena, slavery. At the core of each system is the systematic theft of the value of an individual’s labor, the financial essence of slavery. Wage slavery (ie so called ‘cheap labor’), of an institution which shouldn’t be tolerated in any form, is slavery’s more malignant and destructive manifestation by far.

    The Big Lie, the lie of the Millennium, was the 19th century ‘abolition’ of slavery. It is this lie which is the economic and political basis of the coming world state/empire which they are mightily attempting to bring about.

    * Monetized as in distilled down to it’s financial essence while profits were maximized.

    https://nypost.com/2022/06/28/texas-migrant-truck-was-covered-in-spices-to-hide-odor-of-50-dead-bodies/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zong_massacre

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa

  792. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The PISA is not more comprehensive, it is verbal.

    Comprehensive means of large content or scope; wide-ranging. Therefore it’s more comprehensive.
     

    In terms of intelligence it is limited to what on the WAIS is covered by the verbal components.

    Just as the Raven's is limited to the what is covered by the nonverbal portions of the WAIS.


    Hasn’t that been the topic of the last week and haven’t we closed it agreeing that the score of ethnic Russians should have been 101.4 at the time of that test. You are confusing me.
     
    100.4. I had insisted that the actual ethnic Russian PISA-derived IQ estimate would be about 100.5 and not the 101.2 you had calculated, and it turns out to have been 100.4.

    Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.


    Due to easy availability of loans anyone could get in.

    A person with low income wouldn’t be able to get a loan. So a large pool of people are not able to get in, no matter what the examinations. Your failure to understand that is showing again that you are living in a bubblehead world.
     

    A person with a low income who is smart enough to get into medical school would not only easily get loans but also scholarships.

    The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.

    However when there happen to be people who are both poor and smart they easily get into medical school. Typically, these are people whose poverty is due to circumstances such as immigration.

    Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.


    Haven’t you read the citation?

    “The revision of the WAIS-IV now presented is a direct translation from the English and corresponds to the original version in terms of the task material and structure.”
     

    Have you?

    It refers to the task material and structure, not to the wording of the individual items.

    There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.

    And different norms.


    So it’s here, for a specific test there is a chosen Greenwich IQ. For the PISA it’s the OECD mean score, for the WAIS it’s the US and Canada mean. Yes there are two coefficient variants, for Canada and for the US.
     
    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    You first link is reading, “The WAIS-IV was standardized on a sample of 2,200 people in the United States ranging in age from 16 to 90. An extension of the standardization has been conducted with 688 Canadians in the same age range.”

    Your second link, that you think refers to some different norms is an evaluation, to make sure that the current calibration is still valid, because it can change over time.

    Your third article is explaining that the version calibrated for Canada produces lower scores, and since this test is used in medicine and both countries are more or less a common space, cultural and otherwise, it raises a number of problems.

     

    Indeed. The Canadian and American versions have their separate norms and different items, involving historical events.

    Canadians using the Canadian version of the test use norms that are different from their American colleagues. More:

    https://www.pearsonclinical.ca/content/dam/school/global/clinical/ca/assets/wais-iv-cdn/wais-iv-cdn-update-note-norms-dec2014-can.pdf

    Because Canada has a different history than the USA, different historical questions are asked on the Canadian version of the WAIS:

    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1989-10563-001

    Administered the Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale—Revised (WAIS—R), plus Canadian replacement items for biased US items in the Information subtest, to 3 subgroups of the Canadian population (84 17–70 yr old psychiatric patients, 40 16–59 yr old forensic clients, and 20 university undergraduates). It was contended that when the 10 US items are used while testing Canadian population subgroups a cultural bias occurs

    Ireland has its own version with different items also:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261584455_Modification_of_the_WAIS-R_Information_Sub-test_for_Use_with_an_Irish_Population

    And so on.


    “The authors noted that clinicians evaluating patients with acquired cognitive deficits might conclude that a person has a greater degree of cognitive impairment when using the Canadian norms compared with the American norms.”

    This is not how that test is used in other countries.

    The international standard is the US test, and it’s the same for all, and it’s in English. There are some translated versions, to me the German one is familiar, it’s translated from English and it uses the US calibration. The same questions, the same scores.

    And no, there are no questions about historical events.
     

    Of course there are questions about history. There is a subtest called "information" that tests knowledge of historical events, literature, various trivia.

    I suspect you lied when you said you took this test, one of your many lies.

    And look :

    Different norms for the test in different European countries:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/223272046_European_and_American_WAIS_III_norms_Cross-national_differences_in_performance_subtest_scores

    "For this study, European WAIS III performance subtest norms were compared to the original US norms. When European WAIS III raw scores were scored using US norms.."

    Europeans had their own norms, different form American ones.

    Note also that they only compared the performance (nonverbal) subtest items. That is because those ones are probably identical so they could be compared.

    The verbal ones are different. Different items, different questions. They cannot be compared.

    Are you starting to figure it out, Sharikov?

    Do you remember what you wrote ""Being stubborn while being wrong is a disgusting trait?"


    So what it means is that for measuring intelligence in various countries for a comparison, one standard, so called Greenwich IQ, has to be used. You have seen from that last article how complicated that process of calibration is.

    That would make it impossible to estimate the difference between various countries, if there was a separate set of norms for each.

     

    At what point will Sharikov come to realise that this is exactly why the Ravens' is used more often for cross-country comparisons?

    For the same reason the PISA test uses one set of norms, calibrated for the OECD countries mean score in sum total, and not counted for each country independently – that wouldn’t make sense, and would make things a lot more cumbersome.
     
    The whole point of the PISA seems to be to compare countries, so it would have one unified set of norms.

    The point of IQ tests is to compare people to their surrounding population (to determine impairment, ability relative to peers, etc.) . It would be inappropriate to use international universal norms for that purpose.

    This is why countries with their own editions of the WAIS each have their own norms. A German taking the WAIS would be compared to other Germans, and getting a score of 100 would mean his intelligence is exactly average for Germany. And likewise for other places.


    And since the PISA test is based on the school mathematics and science, whatever is implied here, and reading, it’s a lot more comprehensive and reliable, than the Progressive Matrices. However it doesn’t fit for adults. The adults forget.
     
    They are both comprehensive and reliable, they just measure different aspects of intelligence.


    You have not lived in Ukraine, have no idea who the Ukrainian people are, would not have been at home over there, would have been an alien there – it’s pointless. You are not a Ukrainian. You don’t know what you are talking about.
     
    I visit every few years, and am in regular contact with my cousins there. I enjoy my visits there very much. Not only the cities of Kiev and Lviv but also my ancestral village a couple hours from Kiev, where one branch of the family remains (my peasant relatives), we have a feast there when visitors come from America. Tidy village houses, kind and open warm-hearted people, animals, the kids chasing the chickens or jumping up and down on an old bed spring in the yard with their cousins (simple entertainment), my uncle sharing his own homemade salo...

    When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.


    And likewise, you have never lived in the Soviet Union, and all these bitter feelings are not from an experience of living there. You are expressing your own, internal, not connected to any of this, emotions. And you are not a happy man.
     
    You are myopic as usual. Just because I express disgust at contempt at a grotesque Sovok-created creature such as you does not make me an "arrogant narcissist." It's you and a handful of Soviets like you.

    Likewise, my condemnation of the Soviet system and its modern offshoot reflects the subject matter. I suppose I am not completely innocent, because I do not turn away and ignore phenomena such as Soviet people and their state, but I do enjoy political discussions and one is bound to come across such things in that context.

    :::::::::::::::::

    About your own background - so, typical deracinated Soviets. Russian-speaking mixture of Romanians, Jews, Russians. One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?

    Did they then become occupiers, living on Ukrainian territory?

    Children do not carry their parents' guilt but in your defense of the monstrous system you have not redeemed but continue the evil legacy.

    As for my family, one grandparent from peasants, the other three from nobles. Won't dox myself by describing my grandparents in more detail than that, but here is grandfather's uncle whom he was very close to, who cleverly exploited the Soviet occupiers to promote Ukrainian culture and who saved many many lives through his efforts (violent Banderist cretins misunderstood and hated him):

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%9A%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BB_%D0%98%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%84%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87

    He was executed by the Bolsheviks, it was a dangerous game. But putting Galicia into Ukraine was the poison pill that ultimately detached Ukraine from Russia, and hopefully will make possible the renewal of some form of the PLC, Ukraine's natural home, and undo the treason of Bohdan Khmelytsky.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    In terms of intelligence PISA is limited to what on the WAIS is covered by the verbal components.

    The WAIS doesn’t have science section. PISA doesn’t have logic section.

    Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.

    The difference is negligible.

    The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.

    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That’s a vicious circle.

    Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.

    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada. Between the RF, Canada and the US there are 5 more countries.

    The percentage of people with a second degree is highest in the RF. Between the RF and the US there are 16 countries. 58 percent of the Russians have a master’s degree. 36 percent of the Americans do.

    There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.

    That doesn’t make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.

    Europeans had their own norms, different form American ones. At what point will Sharikov come to realise that this is exactly why the Ravens’ is used more often for cross-country comparisons?

    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.

    The point of IQ tests is to compare people to their surrounding population. It would be inappropriate to use international universal norms for that purpose.

    Using international norms wouldn’t make a difference, but would be harder to correlate with the IQ classification, and the classification values would have to be changed instead. That’s not a good solution for internal use.

    [MORE]

    When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.

    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened. The Ukrainian peasant families hated us, and we did fight with their children. You have the same problem with Negroes.

    About your own background – so, typical deracinated Soviets. Russian-speaking mixture of Romanians, Jews, Russians.

    You misunderstand it. We are not deracinated, Ukraine was a homeland, but it wasn’t a state. We were the citizens of the USSR.

    We spoke Russian, because that was the common language. Our ethnicities were different, but each one knew who he was. We were not tribal people, but respected our roots.

    For me it’s a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group. You are like savages to me.

    To choose either the Ashkenazi or the Romanian side would not be hard for me, a lot easier in fact, than letting it melt into something more interesting.

    One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?

    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn’t want to, so the law had to be enforced.

    Did they then become occupiers, living on Ukrainian territory?

    Two of them were born and raised in Ukraine, the other two were their spouses.

    Children do not carry their parents’ guilt but in your defense of the monstrous system you have not redeemed but continue the evil legacy.

    You reference some dark pages of history and extrapolate it on the entire nation. A very emotional, even hysterical frame of mind.

    You must be bored with being yourself.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The WAIS doesn’t have science section. PISA doesn’t have logic section.
     
    It includes a few science questions in the Information subtest.

    The PISA is an extensive test of verbal knowledge - the ability to absorb and recall academic information. It is much more thorough than the WAIS when it comes to this specific component of intelligence. But the WAIS includes other components such as logic, pattern recognition, puzzles etc.

    The Ravens is an extensive test of pattern recognition, puzzles, etc. Like the PISA, it is more thorough in this narrow area than is the WAIS.

    "Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans."

    The difference is negligible.
     
    The PISA-derived white American IQ was something like 102, compare to 100.4 for the ethnic Russians. Not big, but not imperceptible.

    "The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree."

    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That’s a vicious circle.
     
    Anyone can finance their studies because predatory lenders will be happy to do so. There is a problem with such lenders financing studies for people who are not smart, and who then fail and get stuck with debt for a degree that they were incapable of getting.

    An average person can certainly get a degree in something like Business Administration and work in a cubicle as office plankton, but will not be able to get a degree in medicine, or engineering, pharmacy, etc. Nor pass board examinations in certain fields.

    "Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees."

    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada.
     
    By that do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees?

    58 percent of the Russians have a master’s degree
     
    1. You are clearly mistaken.

    2. Russian education system isn't parallel to the American one. Russians finish school after the 11th grade and then complete a 5 year degree that combined Bachelor's and Master's. So essentially everybody who completed a post-secondary university education has a Master's degree. And the next degree is a Kandidat degree.

    With that in mind:

    https://i.imgur.com/frDxGzF.png

    Here is a comparison of simply tertiary education:

    https://data.oecd.org/eduatt/adult-education-level.htm

    56.7% Russia, 50% USA, 33.1% Germany

    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education; there is nothing wrong with dignified non-university work such as electrician work, plumbing, technical work, farming, etc. and Germany does a great job with training people for such professions.

    "There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans."

    That doesn’t make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.
     
    But they are not the exact same questions, so they cannot be directly compared. The substitution is such that it corresponds to local rather than non-local norms. That is, questions are selected for the Canadian version that produce a Canadian average score of 100. Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult or obscure relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100 for Canada.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.
     
    And they can't be on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies I linked to mentioned only using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries). But in doing so you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.

    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.
     
    RPM does have different norms for each country. But because the items are identical in all countries and only the norms are different, one can simply score the RPM using another country's norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country. Such as the British IQ.

    But because not only norms but also the items are different in each country for the WAIS, one can't just substitute norms.

    "When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were."

    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened.
     
    Your words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5389482

    "Those lads from the villages were a lot tougher than us, urban dudes....And their parents hated our parents....We spoke Russian, as most people in the cities. Their parents spoke Ukrainian. ..We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them."

    My memory was close, being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.

    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. Not only my extended family - once I took a road trip deep into the Galician countryside in Ternopil oblast, where the roads are third world quality. I knocked out a tire in a massive pothole. I don't know how to fix such things, but villagers I had never met came out to help, changed it for me, and everything. Salt of the Earth.

    If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them. And in your case their anger was not misapplied:

    "One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?"

    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.
     
    And those Germans working in concentration camps also believed in their work. They sincerely wanted to liberate their people from the victims, in order to make the world a better place.

    I know how the taxes worked, I heard firsthand. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too.
    The government left the peasants alone. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes to an absurdly high amount that no one could pay, then stole/confiscated everyone's land for nonpayment. Russians or Russian-speaking Jews coming into the villages from towns or cities to steal everything the peasants owned and worked for and hoped to pass down to their children.

    "transition from serfdom to relative freedom" - Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine Stolypin's reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. Government didn't intrude in people's lives. Only contact with the government under the tsars was when the tax man came once a year, collected a very modest tax, otherwise the peasants were left alone. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn’t want to, so the law had to be enforced.
     
    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them. Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers. A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom, etc.).

    For me it’s a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group.
     
    My ethnicity is the same but my ancestral social backgrounds are different and I move between continents.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Here Be Dragon

  793. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP


    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.
     
    You are not seriously suggesting that the 2014 Donbass uprising was just the Russian army sneaking in undercover?

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.
     
    Which made just ignoring Russia a mistake. Zelensky was elected on a platform of of putting that agreement into practice. Vlod and Vlad have both made military and democratic errors

    Replies: @AP

    You are not seriously suggesting that the 2014 Donbass uprising was just the Russian army sneaking in undercover?

    Of course not. But without Russian involvement the uprising would not have lasted more than a couple of months, if that. Warlords from Russia such as Girkin and “Motorola” played a critical role, as did Chechen war volunteers, arms shipments, etc. The first PM of Donetsk and one of his two vice prime ministers were Russians (one of whom had set up the Transnistria republic). This was not exclusively, but heavily, a Russian project.

    “Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.”

    Which made just ignoring Russia a mistake

    In 2014-2015 Ukraine barely had a military and wouldn’t have lasted long against Russia. In 2022 it’s military has been sufficient to fight Russia off for 4 months and counting, probably to an eventual standstill. Ukraine probably assumed Russia knew this too, and therefore would not have invaded.

    Zelensky was elected on a platform of of putting that agreement into practice

    Yes, but not on a platform of unconditional surrender.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP


    But without Russian involvement the uprising would not have lasted more than a couple of months, if that. Warlords from Russia such as Girkin and “Motorola” played a critical role, as did Chechen war volunteers, arms shipments, etc. The first PM of Donetsk and one of his two vice prime ministers were Russians (one of whom had set up the Transnistria republic). This was not exclusively, but heavily, a Russian project.
     
    That is true, and if Russia had not intervened and was still operating according to Gorby's principle of the common good of mankind rather than geopolitics from Russian self perceived interests, then the full on attack with the aim of conquering Ukraine would have been a huge surprise to everyone. But Russia was not operating with a maximization of global utility as it prime directive, and everyone knew it because Putin had announced he thought Russia was being taken advantage of. The only thing to do was accept some loss of control in part of the Donbass (and forget about Crimea) so Ukraine could move on. The Ukrainian electorate voted Zelensky in to do just those things.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49903996 2 October 2019
    Hundreds of Ukrainians have protested after President Volodymyr Zelensky said he had backed an agreement that would bring elections to territory controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

    Mr Zelensky came to power promising to end the five-year conflict in the east which has left 13,000 people dead.

    Any vote would be under international standards and would not be held "under the barrel of a gun", he said.

    Nationalists rallied in Kiev with banners demanding "no capitulation"
     

    See, not even the Azov veterans said it was unconditional. Anyway, Poroshenko, who supported Azov veterans that demonstrated noisily outside Zelensky's presidential office, had stood on a platform of continuing with the conflict and he was defeated by Zelensky and his Servant of the People party. The politial party representing the Azov veterans did not even achieve the most minimal electoral support. Ignoring shots fired in the air to dissuade them, members Azov broke through police cordon and went to the front line where the got into combat positions.

    “If the President and the Government do not fulfill their direct duty to protect every inch of the Ukrainian land, then we, the volunteer veterans, will do it again,” Biletsky promised at an organized meeting in Zolotoy. He said that he and his team will impede the disengagement of forces in the Donbass and, in the event of withdrawal of the Army troops, they will occupy their positions at the front.
     
    Poroshenko and Azov are the ones Zelensky surrendered to. He not only did not do what he told the people who voted him in he would do as leader, after a desultory attempt, he reversed the policy and did the complete opposite. In June 2021 NATO reaffirmed the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance, and according to Russian POWs the middle of last year was when they began to train for an occupation of Ukraine.

    In November- December 2021 Ukraine initiated combat use of the Javelin and the Turkish drones , and ignored the Russian build up, even telling Biden to shut up because the Russians were bluffing. In the subsequent war , Azov actually did surrender along with its leader. The agreement Poroshenko made and renaged on and then Zenesky half accepted then backed out of on would have kept most of the Donbass in Ukrainian hands and all of it, even the separatist occupied area, de jure part of Ukraine. the coast would have remained Ukraine as would the south and Maripol ECT. Was it fair? Not at all! However given that Ukraine was not a member of Nato and thus vulnerable to a Russian invasion, the arrangement was in the circumstances a reasonably good one for Ukraine. Which is why its people voted for it in making Zelensky leader.

    Unfortunately he was too preoccupied with domestic political consideration to pay proper attention to the danger of provoking a full on invasion. That was a massive mistake by him, although an understandable one given his meteoric rise into a position he lacked experience for. There was also blame attaching to Biden, Blinken and those who thought that Trump had been a doormat for Putin over Ukraine. The idea that Ukraine when push came to shove could deter or successfully fight the Russian steamroller was insane. The whole world is worse off now.

  794. @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia is not that much different from the UK
     
    To claim UK and Russia are similar in inequality, you would have to know nothing about either country, historically unaware of the last 30 years what has happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to lack any knowledge about the robbery and asset-stripping in the postsoviet countries.

    But perhaps it is interesting for me to write about this topic for the other people here.

    Russia can be only look a few points unequal by gini co-efficient (which is referring to annual income movement in each year), but in a different level of unequality in wealth distribution, which is more static and measures ownership of the country under the capitalist system.

    Inequality of capitalism is created primarily in ownership, not annual income (unless you are in a meritocracy), and ownership in Russia is restricted to increasingly narrow circles since the public property was distributed to a very small percentage of people in the 1990s.

    As a result of this process, after the end of the USSR, Russia became one of the most unequal countries in the world, especially in the highest percents, where it is having rivalry for the world's most unequal country with South Africa and Brazil.

    Top 1% of the population in Russia has almost 50% of the country's wealth. This is the area where Russia is world's most unequal country except South Africa and Brazil.

    Even the top 10% (where this is less extreme) has 20 times more wealth than the bottom 50% of the population.

    https://i.imgur.com/hB70Hb6.jpg

    In the middle 40% in Russia, has only 23% ownership. This is a middle class that has been asset stripped to half.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Y6lW1C.jpg


    -

    As for other measures like income inequality and regional inequality. In the Kingdom, absolute incomes are very significantly higher, so relative inequality has less negative effects for people in the bottom. The concept of poverty is very different in UK than in Russia.

    From the government, perspective, in UK there is 0% tax rate for the first $15,000 of annual income of the British citizens, while in Russia there is flat taxation rate. UK has progressive taxation, while in Russia regressive taxation.

    There is high quality of public services accessible for the public of the United Kingdom, and strong "welfare", including free housing and free income payment. Infrastructure spending and life quality will be high across the country, while in Russia there is extreme interregional inequality in terms of public investment and infrastructure.

    In terms of a basic spending for e.g. food. Great Britain's citizens need to spend only 10%, while 31,2% in Russia, and 50% in Ukraine. https://ria.ru/20181217/1547989821.html


    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD
     

    This the meaning of the secret police, nobody is saying they literally have to be secret (unknown for the public). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police

    Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.Constructivist architecture.

     

    Yes I know what the architecture is. It was the most impressive architecture of the 1930s in Sverdlovsk, which is for the NKVD - i.e. the secret police. In the police state, the secret police are one of the most important institutions, receiving the monumentalist architecture and buildings.

    US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than
     
    In early 1950s there were the high estimate of 2,4 million in the prison camps. So, the imprisonment rate will be far higher, closer to 1300 per hundred thousand. There is the low estimate of 1,7 million, which still would be 900 imprisoned, per hundred thousand. So, even in the low estimate, there is a higher imprisonment rate. Moreover, a significant proportion include political prisoners.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

    I saw the words “asset stripped” in the body of the comment and I immediately knew it was from Dmitry.

    It’s like your calling card. I’m not making fun of the term, by the way, I actually rather like it as it describes the condition quite accurately. Synonyms like impoverished don’t really convey the same sense of intentional transfer.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Barbarossa

    Lol I'm usually criticized for always writing the same post about this (producing repetitive strain syndrome in the readers, which I should apologize for), but I think "asset strip" is the correct verb for this process of postsoviet history and there is no problem to write enough about it.

    After the USSR is collapsing, the fungible components of public goods are removed and sold to the international markets*, then part of this product of the Soviet Union public wealth is privately re-invested again to Russia/Ukraine as imported goods and services. For these re-investment as imports, beyond necessity to continue essential production (e.g. in the natural resources production sites), there is very unequal geographical distribution, so e.g. central Moscow looks like pirate's treasure cave, without even space for all the mountains of the gold building in that city.

    But many parts of the country which is producing the value for this, is becoming increasingly "optimized" relative to time, so as the years continue, the public space becomces more and more underinvested. This then contributes to increasing the rate of internal immigration, as many people in the underinvested regions are immigrating to the areas where the mountains of wealth are concentrated.

    There is also a kind of parody of hypercapitalism in some of the most important public institutions like the universities. So, the universities become like a business, with the local students as the lowest level of captive customer, where administrative part of the university is only interested in the money the students pay. At the same time, the classrooms are not going to be repainted for decades, as there is such a concept of capitalism "optimization", where the idea is you only spend the minimal possible on parts of the institution which are not related to profits.

    So, perhaps, the accommodation of the international students can achieve the new paint on walls, as they are less captive customers who can choose to go to another country. But for the local students (who are the captive market), you don't want to waste money or invest beyond the minimum possible level for their public space.


    -

    * Such kind of "capitalism going wrong" behavior after the collapse of the Soviet Union, reminds of this post I wrote to you last week, when the mafia in Europe is stealing the lead from the roof of the public buildings, then selling those fungible components to international markets. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5399756

  795. @Dmitry
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia is not that much different from the UK
     
    To claim UK and Russia are similar in inequality, you would have to know nothing about either country, historically unaware of the last 30 years what has happened after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to lack any knowledge about the robbery and asset-stripping in the postsoviet countries.

    But perhaps it is interesting for me to write about this topic for the other people here.

    Russia can be only look a few points unequal by gini co-efficient (which is referring to annual income movement in each year), but in a different level of unequality in wealth distribution, which is more static and measures ownership of the country under the capitalist system.

    Inequality of capitalism is created primarily in ownership, not annual income (unless you are in a meritocracy), and ownership in Russia is restricted to increasingly narrow circles since the public property was distributed to a very small percentage of people in the 1990s.

    As a result of this process, after the end of the USSR, Russia became one of the most unequal countries in the world, especially in the highest percents, where it is having rivalry for the world's most unequal country with South Africa and Brazil.

    Top 1% of the population in Russia has almost 50% of the country's wealth. This is the area where Russia is world's most unequal country except South Africa and Brazil.

    Even the top 10% (where this is less extreme) has 20 times more wealth than the bottom 50% of the population.

    https://i.imgur.com/hB70Hb6.jpg

    In the middle 40% in Russia, has only 23% ownership. This is a middle class that has been asset stripped to half.

    https://i.imgur.com/1Y6lW1C.jpg


    -

    As for other measures like income inequality and regional inequality. In the Kingdom, absolute incomes are very significantly higher, so relative inequality has less negative effects for people in the bottom. The concept of poverty is very different in UK than in Russia.

    From the government, perspective, in UK there is 0% tax rate for the first $15,000 of annual income of the British citizens, while in Russia there is flat taxation rate. UK has progressive taxation, while in Russia regressive taxation.

    There is high quality of public services accessible for the public of the United Kingdom, and strong "welfare", including free housing and free income payment. Infrastructure spending and life quality will be high across the country, while in Russia there is extreme interregional inequality in terms of public investment and infrastructure.

    In terms of a basic spending for e.g. food. Great Britain's citizens need to spend only 10%, while 31,2% in Russia, and 50% in Ukraine. https://ria.ru/20181217/1547989821.html


    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD
     

    This the meaning of the secret police, nobody is saying they literally have to be secret (unknown for the public). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_police

    Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.Constructivist architecture.

     

    Yes I know what the architecture is. It was the most impressive architecture of the 1930s in Sverdlovsk, which is for the NKVD - i.e. the secret police. In the police state, the secret police are one of the most important institutions, receiving the monumentalist architecture and buildings.

    US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than
     
    In early 1950s there were the high estimate of 2,4 million in the prison camps. So, the imprisonment rate will be far higher, closer to 1300 per hundred thousand. There is the low estimate of 1,7 million, which still would be 900 imprisoned, per hundred thousand. So, even in the low estimate, there is a higher imprisonment rate. Moreover, a significant proportion include political prisoners.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Here Be Dragon

    This the meaning of the secret police.

    No secret police, no meaning, it’s bullshit from a book someone wrote.

    In the police state, the secret police are one of the most important institutions, receiving the monumentalist architecture and buildings.

    There were the high estimate of 2,4 million in the prison camps.

    There were no estimates, it’s propaganda.

  796. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    You are talking propaganda now.


    But the society is less unequal and the regional inequality for investment is not so exaggerated.
     
    Russia is not that much different from the UK in that respect. The index of inequality is 37.5 for the RF and 34.8 for the UK, and 41.4 for the US.

    Here was the secret police town in the city of Sverdlovsk of the 1930s. The most impressive building of the city at the time and it was for housing the secret police.
     
    You are amazing.

    There was no secret police. NKVD was no more secret than FBI, and it wasn't the police. Nor was that complex a town – ten buildings where people lived, and a hotel.

    https://i.postimg.cc/y6njPPxG/Iset-Hotel.jpg

    Constructivist architecture.

    America has one of the highest imprisonment rates in the world, so there are aspects of the police state. In the Soviet Union, there were even higher imprisonment rates, however.
     
    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest. And in the Soviet Union, there were never higher imprisonment rates than in the US.

    Here is The New York Times in 1991.

    More than one million Americans are in jail or prison, either awaiting trial or serving time, the report said. It said that 426 of every 100,000 residents of the United States are incarcerated.

    The Soviet Union ranks third in overall incarceration with 268 per 100,000 residents.
     
    Now the rate in the US is 629, and in the RF 326.

    U.S. Has Highest Rate of Imprisonment in World
    https://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/07/us/us-has-highest-rate-of-imprisonment-in-world.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Dmitry, @AP

    No, the US has the highest imprisonment rate in the world – the highest.

    This is because the USA is aiming for a European level of crime despite having only a 66% European population. It also has a frontier legacy (white Americans are more violent than other Europeans). Sadly, this requires incarcerating large numbers of non-European descended people. American incarceration does not signify repression but reflects crime.

    Here are American incarceration rates by race:

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/30/shrinking-gap-between-number-of-blacks-and-whites-in-prison/

    “In 2017, there were 1,549 black prisoners for every 100,000 black adults – nearly six times the imprisonment rate for whites (272 per 100,000) and nearly double the rate for Hispanics (823 per 100,000)”

    So white Americans are incarcerated at a rate of 272/100,000.

    Compared to countries:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

    Lower than Russia’s 325/100,000, similar to Georgia’s 245/100,000.

    I assume ethnic Russians are less violent and incarcerated less often than the overall Russian rate, perhaps their rate is about the same as the American one.

    Belarus has an incarceration rate of 345/100,000 though, and its population is purely European. There is probably a strong repressive component.

  797. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    In terms of intelligence PISA is limited to what on the WAIS is covered by the verbal components.
     
    The WAIS doesn't have science section. PISA doesn't have logic section.

    Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.
     
    The difference is negligible.

    The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.
     
    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That's a vicious circle.

    Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.
     
    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada. Between the RF, Canada and the US there are 5 more countries.

    The percentage of people with a second degree is highest in the RF. Between the RF and the US there are 16 countries. 58 percent of the Russians have a master's degree. 36 percent of the Americans do.

    There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.
     
    That doesn't make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.
     
    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.

    Europeans had their own norms, different form American ones. At what point will Sharikov come to realise that this is exactly why the Ravens’ is used more often for cross-country comparisons?
     
    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.

    The point of IQ tests is to compare people to their surrounding population. It would be inappropriate to use international universal norms for that purpose.
     
    Using international norms wouldn't make a difference, but would be harder to correlate with the IQ classification, and the classification values would have to be changed instead. That's not a good solution for internal use.

    https://i.postimg.cc/NjhNMFrQ/Chimpanzee.jpg


    When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.
     
    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened. The Ukrainian peasant families hated us, and we did fight with their children. You have the same problem with Negroes.

    About your own background – so, typical deracinated Soviets. Russian-speaking mixture of Romanians, Jews, Russians.
     
    You misunderstand it. We are not deracinated, Ukraine was a homeland, but it wasn't a state. We were the citizens of the USSR.

    We spoke Russian, because that was the common language. Our ethnicities were different, but each one knew who he was. We were not tribal people, but respected our roots.

    For me it's a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group. You are like savages to me.

    To choose either the Ashkenazi or the Romanian side would not be hard for me, a lot easier in fact, than letting it melt into something more interesting.

    One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?
     
    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn't want to, so the law had to be enforced.

    Did they then become occupiers, living on Ukrainian territory?
     
    Two of them were born and raised in Ukraine, the other two were their spouses.

    Children do not carry their parents’ guilt but in your defense of the monstrous system you have not redeemed but continue the evil legacy.
     
    You reference some dark pages of history and extrapolate it on the entire nation. A very emotional, even hysterical frame of mind.

    You must be bored with being yourself.

    Replies: @AP

    The WAIS doesn’t have science section. PISA doesn’t have logic section.

    It includes a few science questions in the Information subtest.

    The PISA is an extensive test of verbal knowledge – the ability to absorb and recall academic information. It is much more thorough than the WAIS when it comes to this specific component of intelligence. But the WAIS includes other components such as logic, pattern recognition, puzzles etc.

    The Ravens is an extensive test of pattern recognition, puzzles, etc. Like the PISA, it is more thorough in this narrow area than is the WAIS.

    “Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans.”

    The difference is negligible.

    The PISA-derived white American IQ was something like 102, compare to 100.4 for the ethnic Russians. Not big, but not imperceptible.

    “The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree.”

    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That’s a vicious circle.

    Anyone can finance their studies because predatory lenders will be happy to do so. There is a problem with such lenders financing studies for people who are not smart, and who then fail and get stuck with debt for a degree that they were incapable of getting.

    An average person can certainly get a degree in something like Business Administration and work in a cubicle as office plankton, but will not be able to get a degree in medicine, or engineering, pharmacy, etc. Nor pass board examinations in certain fields.

    “Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees.”

    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada.

    By that do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees?

    58 percent of the Russians have a master’s degree

    1. You are clearly mistaken.

    2. Russian education system isn’t parallel to the American one. Russians finish school after the 11th grade and then complete a 5 year degree that combined Bachelor’s and Master’s. So essentially everybody who completed a post-secondary university education has a Master’s degree. And the next degree is a Kandidat degree.

    With that in mind:

    Here is a comparison of simply tertiary education:

    https://data.oecd.org/eduatt/adult-education-level.htm

    56.7% Russia, 50% USA, 33.1% Germany

    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education; there is nothing wrong with dignified non-university work such as electrician work, plumbing, technical work, farming, etc. and Germany does a great job with training people for such professions.

    “There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans.”

    That doesn’t make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.

    But they are not the exact same questions, so they cannot be directly compared. The substitution is such that it corresponds to local rather than non-local norms. That is, questions are selected for the Canadian version that produce a Canadian average score of 100. Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult or obscure relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100 for Canada.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.

    And they can’t be on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies I linked to mentioned only using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries). But in doing so you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.

    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.

    RPM does have different norms for each country. But because the items are identical in all countries and only the norms are different, one can simply score the RPM using another country’s norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country. Such as the British IQ.

    But because not only norms but also the items are different in each country for the WAIS, one can’t just substitute norms.

    “When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were.”

    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened.

    Your words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5389482

    “Those lads from the villages were a lot tougher than us, urban dudes….And their parents hated our parents….We spoke Russian, as most people in the cities. Their parents spoke Ukrainian. ..We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them.”

    My memory was close, being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.

    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. Not only my extended family – once I took a road trip deep into the Galician countryside in Ternopil oblast, where the roads are third world quality. I knocked out a tire in a massive pothole. I don’t know how to fix such things, but villagers I had never met came out to help, changed it for me, and everything. Salt of the Earth.

    If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them. And in your case their anger was not misapplied:

    “One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?”

    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.

    And those Germans working in concentration camps also believed in their work. They sincerely wanted to liberate their people from the victims, in order to make the world a better place.

    I know how the taxes worked, I heard firsthand. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too.
    The government left the peasants alone. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes to an absurdly high amount that no one could pay, then stole/confiscated everyone’s land for nonpayment. Russians or Russian-speaking Jews coming into the villages from towns or cities to steal everything the peasants owned and worked for and hoped to pass down to their children.

    “transition from serfdom to relative freedom” – Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine Stolypin’s reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. Government didn’t intrude in people’s lives. Only contact with the government under the tsars was when the tax man came once a year, collected a very modest tax, otherwise the peasants were left alone. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn’t want to, so the law had to be enforced.

    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them. Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers. A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom, etc.).

    For me it’s a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group.

    My ethnicity is the same but my ancestral social backgrounds are different and I move between continents.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    My ethnicity is the same but my ancestral social backgrounds are different and I move between continents.
     
    That's certainly impressive, but did you know that Superman could move between planets (and galaxies too)?

    https://pm1.narvii.com/6429/32e223188b35309890b2a722facf07cdf7c89f1f_hq.jpg

    Sorry AP, I just couldn't resist. :-)

    (It's all good).
    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/K8M5Qpmx/Dr-Chimpanzee.jpg


    Not big [the difference is], but not imperceptible.
     
    The ethnic Russians happen to be on the OECD mean, on average, i.e. 50 percent of the ethnic Russians have an IQ between of 100. The white Americans are two points above the mean, i.e. 50 percent have an IQ of 102.

    This means that 5 percent of the white Americans are 2 points better than ethnic Russians, i.e. one of 20 is 2 points better and that's rather imperceptible. The intelligence classification is in 10 point steps.


    Do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees? You are clearly mistaken.
     
    Yes there was a small error. That's for the bachelor's degree and above, Russia is on the top of the rating with 54 percent, the US is on 35.

    https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/education-at-a-glance-2016_eag-2016-en#page43


    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education.
     
    The German system is superior, because most people can do as they prefer, and have a better choice. You can begin the studies for one degree, then change your mind and go for another. You do not risk anything if you fail to finish.

    Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100.
     
    You continue to amaze me with this complete ineptitude in mathematics.

    The questions are comparable, for example, for the US it can be, "How far is it, from Colorado to Michigan" and for Canada it's like "How far is it, from Quebec to Yukon" – the same kind of question, but for a correct answer in the US test there are, for example, 0.27 points and in the Canadian test it's like 0.23, these coefficients is what is called the norms.

    Read those articles, there it was explained how these values are calibrated.


    And [the norms] can’t be [the same] on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies mentioned using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries).
     
    These items not the same in all the countries are 26 questions in the information section, it doesn't matter that much.

    The test has four index scores and is composed of 10 subtest sections, i.e. we have 25 percent of the full score for each of the four index scores. The mean is supposed to be set at 100, so the result is calibrated to fit.

    For example the Canadians are scoring higher than the Americans, so the norms have to be changed. Each of the subtest sections is checked and the needed corrections are made, so that each of the four indexes was in sum total 25 percent of the average score, and the average score was 100 points.

    This is done with coefficients, for example if the second index is on average 28 rather than 25 then it has to be reduced. The former is called the raw score, and it has to be scaled.

    28 : 25 = 1.12, so in our case the score for this index should be scaled like X : 1.12, this coefficient is what constitutes the norms. These norms have to be revisited once in a while and recalibrated, because people are getting smarter.

    And of course it's a little more complicated than that.

    For example, the second index is Verbal Comprehension, there are 92 questions in four subtest groups. There's not the same number of questions in a group, and the number of points for an answer is not the same for all questions.

    So the score for each question has to be reduced in the right proportion, and in the degree that makes the sum total of the mean go from 28 to 25, and the same should be done with other three indexes so that the full mean score is 100, on average.

    So for example if we have 20 questions in the index that are supposed to give us 25 points on average, and one group of questions is 1 point for each and the other are the difficult ones, so it's 2 or 3 points for each, and the maximum score for this index is 40.

    There are 5 for 1, and 10 for 2, and 5 for 3.

    Most people in the US answer the first 5 and the next 10, but not the last 5. But the Canadians are smarter, most of them answer to one of the last 5, and that raises the average to 28, and we need it to be 25.

    The solution seems to be to scale each question like in the example above, X : 1.12, but in this case the maximum score for this index will be reduced from 40 to 35, and if we have the same situation with other indexes, and we will, the maximum score for the entire test will be reduced to 140.

    And in this case there will be no Canadians who are smarter than 140, but there will be Americans who are. The average will be the same for both but the maximum will be different. The ranges will be wrong and the classifiation confusing.

    Though the mean has to be brought to 100, the maximum must remain 160.

    So there is a method of measuring the significance of each item, from low to moderate to high, and some other parameters and guidelines and that's complicated.


    But in doing so [using the same norms on the nonverbal parts] you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.
     
    Of course not, the Raven's test is shorter, and the studies in that article were not about the norms, but how the items that were changed, like no changes were made to the non-verbal subtests, but some items on the verbal subtests were adapted for that other language.

    RPM does have different norms. But because the items are identical in all countries, one can score the RPM using another country’s norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country.
     
    You mean something super Ukrainian here – if that is to find out, what one's IQ would be in other countries then it's pointless, if to take the average of one place and find out what the average is in another, it's pointless.

    Slava Ukaraini.

    The purpose of setting the mean sore at 100 is for convenience, for example with the mean 100 and standard deviation 15 it happens that 50 percent of the people in a given place have the score between 90 and 110.

    Since that's a half of the population this range is considered of average intelligence. Then there are gradations in ten point steps, like 120-130 is of superior intelligence. The coefficients are needed to preserve the ranges of these categories.

    The range of superior intelligence has to be between 90 and 98 percent, i.e. people with IQ of 120 are those who are more intelligent than 90 percent of the population, and those of 130 are more intelligent than 98 percent.


    Being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.
     
    No it isn't what was implied. We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them. There were conflicts, there were fights, there was a lot of violence in the neighborhood.

    Those fellows were a lot ruder, and healthier, and more violent. But that doesn't mean that we would stand and let them beat us. You can lose a fight, but it doesn't mean being beaten. You might lose a fight but had to resist.

    A classmate, who was a boxer, fought a peasant dude for half an hour.


    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them.
     
    No it doesn't, none of them had experienced evil that was done to them. Most peasants in our area were not poor. Most of them had cars, houses and land. Coming to a town was not in order to avoid something, but for career opportunities and a free apartment.

    Factories were opening, workers were needed, a free apartment was given. The village isn't going anywhere, so a lot of young people in the 60's were migrating to cities. A lot of them became cops.

    A few times it happened to me to live in a village a month in summer. Then there were no problems with those people whatsoever. We went fishing every morning, me and the guy who lived nearby. He introduced me to his friends, we communicated well.

    The situation in the town was different and had nothing to do with anything personal, it was a regular Ukrainian peasant culture, one tribe against another, the same as in their villages, where one can't go to the others' turf.


    And in your case their anger was not misapplied. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes then stole/confiscated everyone’s land.
     
    You know that my grandparents met during the war. So then you must understand, that the story of my great grandmother couldn't happen in the 30's. She married the man, who was, as an officer, sent to arrest her father on suspicion of him hiding a part of his profit, in order to avoid taxation. That was during the NEP.

    There was nothing criminal in the end, he wasn't hiding anything and wasn't arrested. He agreed to the marriage and blessed his daughter. That's an illustration of the paradoxes of life. He was not a monster.

    Farmers had to pay so called prodnalog during the NEP, it was a kind of progressive taxation, depending on conditions and of a given household. The period that followed wasn't like the state confiscated everyone’s land.

    The land wasn't stolen, but private farms were combined into collective farms. That was an experiment, a stupid one, but peasants were peasants, and with the introduction of tractors it looked like a good idea, at the time – industrialization.

    Farmers lost everything.

    Now there are no people who know how to run a farm. This kind of business is not something one can learn in a college, and for this reason there's no good wine, no good cheese in Russia, etc.


    Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.
     
    Sounds good, like a song, but in truth not more than 30 percent of peasants owned their own land before the revolution.

    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them.
     
    Something like that, except for most peasants didn't own any land, and it's the poor who are the hardworking people. Farmers didn't work hard, it ain't hard running a farm.

    Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers.
     
    So this is where the hatred of officers comes from.

    One of my grandfathers was a battalion commander during the war, he killed some people. The other served at the headquarters and didn't kill. The one who was coming to arrest my great-great grandfather didn't kill.


    A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.
     
    He was no more a monster than any cop, or an FBI agent, who comes to arrest a person for tax evasion. You are an idiot.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom).
     
    Those who were sending the farmers to Siberia in the 30's did something evil, but that great grandfather of mine then lived with my great grandmother in a city, and her father had died.

    On the other hand, tell me more about that commie son of a bitch relative of yours, he was for sure a killer, probably a mass murderer. Tell me how many noble people he had to smoke to get that Stalin's flat, where you had the best time of your life.

    Have a good one.

    Replies: @AP

  798. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    If you really enjoy watching birds, you really ought to visit Costa Rica.
     
    To be perfectly frank, the tropics fill me with unbridled terror.

    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites. The other part of it is the heat and sun. I literally got heatstroke not more than 48 hours ago (actually barfed from it) And the brother of one of my ancestors dropped dead during a heatwave in Boston, when he was quite a young man.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.

    Could you be a little more precise here?

    The other part of it is the heat and sun.

    Why yes, the sun can be oppressive at times (but certainly not all of the time), I use sun screen when I’m swimming in the ocean sometimes, or when hiking for a long period of time. I’ve never experienced sunburn there. I’ve gotten really bad sunburn in your neck of the woods, swimming on beaches in Massachusetts near Walden’s Pond. In Minnesota and Wisconsin too. Even though Costa Rica is close to the equator, and does get sun, the temperatures are not nearly as warm as you might think. Year round temperatures average anywhere between 72 – 82 degrees Fahrenheit. In the mountainous areas its even cooler still with lush green pastures where you can find booming dairy communities. Beautiful green meadows with streams and lush green pastures filled with cows.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.

    Costa Rica has 850 different species of birds that call the country home, not just parrots. I once had the very pleasant experience of lying in a hammock on a shaded porch that I was staying at on the mouth of the Sierpe river, within the Osa peninsula. I was serenaded by a whole symphony of bird songs, with distinguishable patterns and retorts, the likes of something that I’ve never heard before. One of those kodak moments for the ears and soul…….

    I’m certainly not suggesting that you move there, but a 2 week vacation there might open you up to a very pleasant experience. Sometimes, getting out of your comfort zone can be a worthwhile experience, and push you to experience some extraordinary new things.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    Alright, finally something educational to share on Sikhi.

    https://mahvra.substack.com/p/notes-on-sovereignty
    https://mahvra.substack.com/p/a-genealogy-of-sikh-sovereignty

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/991187431086891078/PXL_20220627_184255562.jpg

    , @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
    >Could you be a little more precise here?
     
    Did you not take any prophylactics for parasites? I recall way back in high school a girl who went there and who was taking a lot of prophylactics, initially, I thought she was bonkers, but in retrospect, given my better understanding of such things now, I think she was very sensible.

    [BTW, to support one of your previous points, she did mention young German women getting naked in front of her, at which point my jaw went slack, and she noticed it, from across the room, and averred personally to me that she what she had reported was true]

    Malaria and Chagas are two endemic parasites there. Chagas is possibly easy to avoid, if you know how to do it. Less so Malaria - I've known people who got it in the tropics, if not precisely there. That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms. Not to mention horrible viruses and bacterial diseases that technically aren't called parasites.

    I am sure you have heard of Schistosomiasis and Elephantiasis. Don't believe they are currently endemic to Costa Rica, but with global travel, you never know, and they are one reason to never recommend the tropics to anyone. (there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.

    Replies: @S

  799. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Serbia is not a typical EE
     
    I know there are some political considerations (e.g. "Warsaw Pact" included Central Europe like Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia), surely but Serbia is not Eastern Europe.

    It is Southern Europe, whether geographically or culturally.

    In terms of 20th century politics, they were Yugoslavia, which was non-aligned West of the "Iron Curtain". In 19th century, they had some more "Eastern" influence in Ottoman Empire. But in terms of longitude, they also are central-west Europe.

    Although I guess, if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.
    https://i.imgur.com/YCedlPB.png


    My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a “magnetophone”, lol), and decent locally made speakers.
     
    Do you know which speakers they are? I know there was famous radios from Tallin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldqrSjuluE


    And "Estonia" was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today even despite the postsoviet deindustrialization (almost all the Soviet musical factories were closed by the 2000s).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KV3BvCd-ps

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon, @AnonfromTN

    if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.

    Ok, I won’t object. 😀 According to your map, the northernmost point of Europe is The Rudolf Island (Russia).

    [MORE]

    Do you know which speakers they are?

    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika) that were among the most advanced in the SU.

    And “Estonia” was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today

    Yea, they have a lot of nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika
     
    I thought you had grown up in Estonia, so I was wondering about Estonian products.

    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model "S90"

    It's interesting the company has survived and was selling some speakers with the same 1970s Soviet design language today. The appearance is still the Soviet nostalgia but now with 4-way
    https://rrr.lv/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/s400m.jpg


    nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.
     
    I didn't know about surviving of the Baltic states' hi-fi industry.

    For the "Estonia" pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union. But the most common performance pianos were being imported from Czechoslovakia (Petrof brand). Petrof also managed to survive the transition to capitalism although not really common nowadays.

    Replies: @LatW, @Here Be Dragon

  800. @A123
    @sher singh


    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of social norms is definitely in line with monotheism.
     
    Let me Fix That For You

    Liberalism’s intolerance toward the past & hatred of Judeo-Christian monotheistic social norms is definitely in line with pantheism.

    Look at your HomoLiberal BJP. Telling the truth should not be grounds for suspension or expulsion. (1)

    In June 2022, Nupur Sharma, the spokeswoman of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), delivered an angry outburst on Indian television in which she spoke the truth about the marriage of Islam’s founder Muhammad to his youngest wife Aisha at the age of six and consummation at the age of nine, resulting in international condemnation by a number of Muslim-majority countries, including Iran, Qatar, and Pakistan.[1] She was immediately suspended by the BJP, while another BJP official Naveen Kumar Jindal was expelled for similar comments on Twitter.

    Nupur Sharma’s controversial remarks have led to calls for her beheading and protests in several Indian states. Her suspension from BJP, which is known for its anti-Muslim stance on several issues involving Muslims, led to an outcry by rightwing Hindu activists who constitute the core support base of the ruling party. Soon, the rightwing Hindu activists dug up a video of Dr. Zakir Naik, the well-known Islamic scholar now self-exiled in Malaysia, in which he confirms what Nupur Sharma said.
     
    I thought India was more sensible than this.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.memri.org/reports/islamic-leaders-india-call-beheading-hindu-politician-nupur-sharma-whom-they-accuse

    Replies: @sher singh, @Greasy William

    Nupur Sharma: 5/10. Would not bang.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Greasy William

    She belongs to us either way.

    Stick to ur sister,

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991617372605665361/abram-and-sarai.jpg



    Sarai (שָׂרַי‎ Sāray) is a biblical matriarch and prophetess, a major figure in Abrahamic religions. While different Abrahamic faiths portray her differently, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all depict her character similarly, as that of a pious woman, renowned for her hospitality and beauty, the wife and half-sister[2] of Abraham, and the mother of Isaac.
     

    Replies: @Beckow, @Greasy William

  801. sher singh says:
    @Greasy William
    @A123

    Nupur Sharma: 5/10. Would not bang.

    Replies: @sher singh

    She belongs to us either way.

    Stick to ur sister,

    Sarai (שָׂרַי‎ Sāray) is a biblical matriarch and prophetess, a major figure in Abrahamic religions. While different Abrahamic faiths portray her differently, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all depict her character similarly, as that of a pious woman, renowned for her hospitality and beauty, the wife and half-sister[2] of Abraham, and the mother of Isaac.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @sher singh


    Sarah is a pious woman...the wife and half-sister of Abraham
     
    A strange form of piety. But I suppose guys with a herd of cattle were rare, they still are. Maybe shacking up with the pharaoh wasn't only about the free stuff...

    Replies: @Greasy William

    , @Greasy William
    @sher singh

    I like Indian girls. I was a big Sania Mirza fan but my guess is that she has lost her hotness by now. Also, she had an attitude problem and needed a backhand across her pretty face.

    Re Sarah: I don't know what Sarah was like but my own sister is a stupid bitch. Pharaoh can have her.

    Replies: @sher singh

  802. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
     
    Could you be a little more precise here?

    The other part of it is the heat and sun.
     
    Why yes, the sun can be oppressive at times (but certainly not all of the time), I use sun screen when I'm swimming in the ocean sometimes, or when hiking for a long period of time. I've never experienced sunburn there. I've gotten really bad sunburn in your neck of the woods, swimming on beaches in Massachusetts near Walden's Pond. In Minnesota and Wisconsin too. Even though Costa Rica is close to the equator, and does get sun, the temperatures are not nearly as warm as you might think. Year round temperatures average anywhere between 72 - 82 degrees Fahrenheit. In the mountainous areas its even cooler still with lush green pastures where you can find booming dairy communities. Beautiful green meadows with streams and lush green pastures filled with cows.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.
     
    Costa Rica has 850 different species of birds that call the country home, not just parrots. I once had the very pleasant experience of lying in a hammock on a shaded porch that I was staying at on the mouth of the Sierpe river, within the Osa peninsula. I was serenaded by a whole symphony of bird songs, with distinguishable patterns and retorts, the likes of something that I've never heard before. One of those kodak moments for the ears and soul.......

    I'm certainly not suggesting that you move there, but a 2 week vacation there might open you up to a very pleasant experience. Sometimes, getting out of your comfort zone can be a worthwhile experience, and push you to experience some extraordinary new things.

    Replies: @sher singh, @songbird

    Alright, finally something educational to share on Sikhi.

    https://mahvra.substack.com/p/notes-on-sovereignty
    https://mahvra.substack.com/p/a-genealogy-of-sikh-sovereignty

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  803. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
     
    Could you be a little more precise here?

    The other part of it is the heat and sun.
     
    Why yes, the sun can be oppressive at times (but certainly not all of the time), I use sun screen when I'm swimming in the ocean sometimes, or when hiking for a long period of time. I've never experienced sunburn there. I've gotten really bad sunburn in your neck of the woods, swimming on beaches in Massachusetts near Walden's Pond. In Minnesota and Wisconsin too. Even though Costa Rica is close to the equator, and does get sun, the temperatures are not nearly as warm as you might think. Year round temperatures average anywhere between 72 - 82 degrees Fahrenheit. In the mountainous areas its even cooler still with lush green pastures where you can find booming dairy communities. Beautiful green meadows with streams and lush green pastures filled with cows.

    But I once saw a monstrously large parrot at the zoo and it was very impressive, if unpleasant to hear.
     
    Costa Rica has 850 different species of birds that call the country home, not just parrots. I once had the very pleasant experience of lying in a hammock on a shaded porch that I was staying at on the mouth of the Sierpe river, within the Osa peninsula. I was serenaded by a whole symphony of bird songs, with distinguishable patterns and retorts, the likes of something that I've never heard before. One of those kodak moments for the ears and soul.......

    I'm certainly not suggesting that you move there, but a 2 week vacation there might open you up to a very pleasant experience. Sometimes, getting out of your comfort zone can be a worthwhile experience, and push you to experience some extraordinary new things.

    Replies: @sher singh, @songbird

    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
    >Could you be a little more precise here?

    Did you not take any prophylactics for parasites? I recall way back in high school a girl who went there and who was taking a lot of prophylactics, initially, I thought she was bonkers, but in retrospect, given my better understanding of such things now, I think she was very sensible.

    [BTW, to support one of your previous points, she did mention young German women getting naked in front of her, at which point my jaw went slack, and she noticed it, from across the room, and averred personally to me that she what she had reported was true]

    Malaria and Chagas are two endemic parasites there. Chagas is possibly easy to avoid, if you know how to do it. Less so Malaria – I’ve known people who got it in the tropics, if not precisely there. That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms. Not to mention horrible viruses and bacterial diseases that technically aren’t called parasites.

    I am sure you have heard of Schistosomiasis and Elephantiasis. Don’t believe they are currently endemic to Costa Rica, but with global travel, you never know, and they are one reason to never recommend the tropics to anyone. (there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms...(there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.
     
    Tapeworms, which are disgusting, were apparently around often enough in the United States in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's to be a regular gag on the Three Stooges shorts.

    I doubt most people in the US today (happily :-) ) would even know what Moe was talking about.


    https://youtu.be/Ldn3b8rK9h4


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Philip Owen

  804. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Serbia is not a typical EE
     
    I know there are some political considerations (e.g. "Warsaw Pact" included Central Europe like Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia), surely but Serbia is not Eastern Europe.

    It is Southern Europe, whether geographically or culturally.

    In terms of 20th century politics, they were Yugoslavia, which was non-aligned West of the "Iron Curtain". In 19th century, they had some more "Eastern" influence in Ottoman Empire. But in terms of longitude, they also are central-west Europe.

    Although I guess, if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.
    https://i.imgur.com/YCedlPB.png


    My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a “magnetophone”, lol), and decent locally made speakers.
     
    Do you know which speakers they are? I know there was famous radios from Tallin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldqrSjuluE


    And "Estonia" was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today even despite the postsoviet deindustrialization (almost all the Soviet musical factories were closed by the 2000s).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KV3BvCd-ps

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon, @AnonfromTN

    I’m trying to remember what the Soviet multi-band radios were called which were sold in the UK. Zenith?

    I have a LOMO LC-A camera somewhere at home, and TAL telescopes were pretty popular with UK amateur astronomers – very stable mount IIRC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomo_LC-A

    I’ve just remembered I had a cheap Rigonda mono record player, a mono version of this.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I had a cheap Rigonda mono record player
     
    Rigonda was made in Latvia, too, same as the S-30 speakers (same factory). Had no idea those were sold in the UK.
    , @Lurker
    @YetAnotherAnon

    A friend has some Soviet-made binoculars, big, hefty. His uncle bought them somewhere on military service 1970s-80s. I used to regard them simply as an interesting conversation piece. However, one day, I actually looked through them (at the Moon) and found them to be the best I'd ever used.

  805. @A123
    @Mikhail


    Scores of civilians are feared killed or injured after a Russian rocket strike hit a crowded shopping mall in Ukraine's central city of Kremenchuk, Ukrainian officials said Monday.
     
    Did CBS really run that photo & story recently?

    I am quite sure I used that exact photo here some months ago. It dates back to Kiev in March: (1)

    Again, it must consistently be repeated – trust nothing from western or Russian state media about the issues in the Ukraine conflict. Everyone is shaping the war narrative to fit their agenda. Question everything you see and hear, wait to get the fulsome picture, and eventually the truth will surface.

    An example today follows a U.S. and Western media claim that Russia arbitrarily targeted a shopping center in the capital city of Kyiv (Kiev). According to the narrative, this is an example of Russian military brutality and arbitrary shelling of civilians
     
    Notice how full the car lot was when the mall had civilian business.
     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-shopping-center-2.jpg
     

    And, the empty parking after the Ukrainian forces converted it to military use.
     
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-shopping-center-1.jpg
     

    Kremenchuk is 150-200 miles from Kiev so the misidentification is quite egregious.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/21/about-that-russia-attacking-a-shopping-center-story/

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon

    I’ve done a bit of digging, and it looks as if

    the mall was struck first, assuming the video showing the missile arriving is kosher

    a second missile hit the factory behind the mall. It’s this strike which is shown on the “pond video” showing the explosion’s effects on the nearby park.

    Mall is light building at top, pond at bottom.

    You can see the moment of the factory strike here, flames top left, top to the right you can see smoke from the mall strike. Factory hit was right at the edge, did a lot more damage to the mall. Most shoppers left because of air raid sirens, but some staff still inside. Not great accuracy to put it mildly.

  806. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Wokechoke
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The Donets just got crossed at multiple locations at low flow at the various river islands. Game Over. High Summer. Predicted this. You are not good at predicting long of medium term events. The Ukies will have to subordinate or die.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    You have been saying this for every day for 4 months, even though Russia is backwards from where they were 4 months ago, and about 33.6 km from where they actually began. You have no credibility. Honestly, my mental image of you is that a clown with brain damage, which I don’t like. Can you not help me to have a less awful picture of you by not acting like such a poor creature?

  807. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:

    Silly Boris:

    Boris Johnson has claimed that Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he was a woman and believes that the war is a “perfect example of toxic masculinity”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/29/boris-johnson-claims-putin-would-not-have-invaded-ukraine-if-he-was-a-woman

    The reality is that the “greatest” Russian leader of all time, was neither a man nor a Russian:

    During her reign, Catherine extended by some 520,000 square kilometres (200,000 sq mi) the borders of the Russian Empire, absorbing “New Russia”, Crimea, Northern Caucasus, Right-bank Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, and Courland

    Perhaps what Boris really meant to say, for he is easily educated enough to know about Catherine the Great, is that were Putin a woman, and a non-Russian woman, he wouldn’t have bungled this invasion so badly.

    Then again, given that Catherine was a smart and forward-thinking individual, she probably actually wouldn’t have invaded. She would instead have realised that imperialism no longer pays, given the structures of economies and societies.

    Furthermore, she engaged in intellectual debate with people like Voltaire and Diderot. Meanwhile, Putin seems to be associated with Dugin.

    Yes, I know, the Dugin thing is likely exaggerated but who else has he conversed with? Fawning Oliver Stone? Elton John?

    And while Putin has presided over the greatest brain drain in Russian history, except perhaps for when the Jews fled, Catherine brought into Russia minds as fine as Euler’s.

    On top of this, while Catherine increased Russian standing vis a vis China, we can see quite easily that Putin has sent it into the drain.

    And this speaks for itself:

    Within a few months of her accession in 1762, having heard the French government threatened to stop the publication of the famous French Encyclopédie on account of its irreligious spirit, Catherine proposed to Diderot that he should complete his great work in Russia under her protection.

    And for those idiots who buy into manosphere delusions about women, guess what, she wasn’t all about status, did actually enjoy sex etc.:

    Catherine, throughout her long reign, took many lovers, often elevating them to high positions for as long as they held her interest and then pensioning them off with gifts of serfs and large estates.[122][123] The percentage of state money spent on the court increased from 10% in 1767 to 11% in 1781 to 14% in 1795. Catherine gave away 66,000 serfs from 1762 to 1772, 202,000 from 1773 to 1793, and 100,000 in one day: 18 August 1795.[124]: 119  Catherine bought the support of the bureaucracy. In 1767, Catherine decreed that after seven years in one rank, civil servants automatically would be promoted regardless of office or merit.[125]

    After her affair with her lover and adviser Grigori Alexandrovich Potemkin ended in 1776, he allegedly selected a candidate-lover for her who had the physical beauty and mental faculties to hold her interest (such as Alexander Dmitriev-Mamonov and Nicholas Alexander Suk).[126] Some of these men loved her in return, and she always showed generosity towards them, even after the affair ended. One of her lovers, Pyotr Zavadovsky, received 50,000 rubles, a pension of 5,000 rubles and 4,000 peasants in Ukraine after she dismissed him in 1777.[127] The last of her lovers, Prince Zubov, was 40 years her junior.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A morally debauched German lady who took over Russia after killing its native ruler proceeded to play games with the lives of millions of natives whom she had enserfed or whose serfdom she had made worse, while entertaining degenerate Western ideologies.

    A weird precursor of an even more evil Georgian and his gang of non-Russian degenerates doing even worse things to the Slavs they ruled after killing the native ruler.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  808. @Beckow
    @Here Be Dragon

    Police everywhere in the world deal mostly with crime and traffic. (I know some well.) That was the case in the old pre-1989 socialist Europe, today, or in America. Probably also in places like Brazil or Egypt. It is almost all 'crime and traffic'. There is an unhealthy politicization of police on all sides of the opinion spectrum.

    We also either live in a criminal state or in a police state (my over-statement for brevity!), that's how it works, one or the other. Even the exceptions like Sweden are now sliding into more of a criminal state, unpunished crimes if the perpetrators are 'special'.

    In the 1980's Czech0-Slovakia police was low tech, almost invisible, and very, very lazy. There was a small group in the two capitol cities that harassed people who staged demos. They were usually polite and harmless: "just doing my job, sir" - "why are you making trouble, making work for us, go to a pub like everyone else" ---- that's from Vaclav Havel's own memoirs.

    This talk of a police state is way off. The pro-West enthusiasts like to put drama in their descriptions: Knightsbridge and Cannes, that's the West baby, all of it is like that, fat and happy all the time! And see that black-and-white picture of a dump in some podunk Romanian village, that's the totalitarian police state we have been telling you about. Beware!...They got the fat part right.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon, @Dmitry, @Wielgus

    Police in “free” countries do not like protest, it seems to me. More work for them because of the remote chance the protest might get out of hand. If they or their superiors feel like it, you can get arrested (easier if you are in a small protest) or the police might throw riot gas canisters.
    It’s fiction but there is a scene in Falling Down (1993) where a black guy protests against “not being economically viable”. There is a certain irony, in that D-Fens (Michael Douglas) is nearby walking around with a gym bag of guns, but he is ignored.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    I saw the "Falling Down" movie recently by accident: LA as it really is. It was allowed to be made in the boisterous 90's because they felt very confident, another good one is "Office Space".

    Hollywood is let off the leash occasionally. But no more, uncertain times, so they are back to 'beach and boobs" flicks - today for a change in all human hues and colors. Or a hero again defeats the 'evil empire' all bye himself. Tom Cruise just did it, didn't even break a sweat.

    Don't they get bored with their own propaganda?

    Replies: @Wielgus

  809. Two book ideas:

    1.) Someone should try to make an imitation Sherlock Holmes (or perhaps, Nancy Drew would be funnier) where every story has a heavy dose of HBD.

    2.) Someone should write the true life biopic of Steven Seagal. IMO, it would be a bestseller, though it might be hard to uncover all his mob ties. Would make a good movie too.

    • Agree: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @songbird

    There is already a study of Lord Steve's cinematic oeuvre called 'Seagalology', a biography would be a good companion for that work. They could make the biopic by distilling down the essential parts of the biography, highlighting the background behind some of his greatest roles and portrayals; Nico, Gino, Jonathan Cold, Elijah Kane, Mr. Alexander etc.

    I do wonder with Lord Steve to what extent life imitated art, or maybe the other way around?

    I watched a fairly recent Russian detective drama where the hero was a champion of the theories of Cesare Lombroso, which he had completely perfected, so he could always identify the criminal via study of their facial features and traits. This was quite based when you think about it, I was thinking at the time, someone should pitch this concept to the BBC.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  810. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa
    Silly Boris:

    Boris Johnson has claimed that Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if he was a woman and believes that the war is a “perfect example of toxic masculinity”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/29/boris-johnson-claims-putin-would-not-have-invaded-ukraine-if-he-was-a-woman

    The reality is that the "greatest" Russian leader of all time, was neither a man nor a Russian:

    During her reign, Catherine extended by some 520,000 square kilometres (200,000 sq mi) the borders of the Russian Empire, absorbing "New Russia", Crimea, Northern Caucasus, Right-bank Ukraine, Belarus, Lithuania, and Courland

    Perhaps what Boris really meant to say, for he is easily educated enough to know about Catherine the Great, is that were Putin a woman, and a non-Russian woman, he wouldn't have bungled this invasion so badly.

    Then again, given that Catherine was a smart and forward-thinking individual, she probably actually wouldn't have invaded. She would instead have realised that imperialism no longer pays, given the structures of economies and societies.

    Furthermore, she engaged in intellectual debate with people like Voltaire and Diderot. Meanwhile, Putin seems to be associated with Dugin.

    Yes, I know, the Dugin thing is likely exaggerated but who else has he conversed with? Fawning Oliver Stone? Elton John?

    And while Putin has presided over the greatest brain drain in Russian history, except perhaps for when the Jews fled, Catherine brought into Russia minds as fine as Euler's.

    On top of this, while Catherine increased Russian standing vis a vis China, we can see quite easily that Putin has sent it into the drain.

    And this speaks for itself:

    Within a few months of her accession in 1762, having heard the French government threatened to stop the publication of the famous French Encyclopédie on account of its irreligious spirit, Catherine proposed to Diderot that he should complete his great work in Russia under her protection.

    And for those idiots who buy into manosphere delusions about women, guess what, she wasn't all about status, did actually enjoy sex etc.:

    Catherine, throughout her long reign, took many lovers, often elevating them to high positions for as long as they held her interest and then pensioning them off with gifts of serfs and large estates.[122][123] The percentage of state money spent on the court increased from 10% in 1767 to 11% in 1781 to 14% in 1795. Catherine gave away 66,000 serfs from 1762 to 1772, 202,000 from 1773 to 1793, and 100,000 in one day: 18 August 1795.[124]: 119  Catherine bought the support of the bureaucracy. In 1767, Catherine decreed that after seven years in one rank, civil servants automatically would be promoted regardless of office or merit.[125]

    After her affair with her lover and adviser Grigori Alexandrovich Potemkin ended in 1776, he allegedly selected a candidate-lover for her who had the physical beauty and mental faculties to hold her interest (such as Alexander Dmitriev-Mamonov and Nicholas Alexander Suk).[126] Some of these men loved her in return, and she always showed generosity towards them, even after the affair ended. One of her lovers, Pyotr Zavadovsky, received 50,000 rubles, a pension of 5,000 rubles and 4,000 peasants in Ukraine after she dismissed him in 1777.[127] The last of her lovers, Prince Zubov, was 40 years her junior.

    Replies: @AP

    A morally debauched German lady who took over Russia after killing its native ruler proceeded to play games with the lives of millions of natives whom she had enserfed or whose serfdom she had made worse, while entertaining degenerate Western ideologies.

    A weird precursor of an even more evil Georgian and his gang of non-Russian degenerates doing even worse things to the Slavs they ruled after killing the native ruler.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AP

    She lived in a different time. I have no interest in trying to apply my understanding of things to her in a moralistic way. I have almost no idea what kind of opportunity costs, risks and general stresses existed in that era. So I obviously cannot claim to know what I would have done differently, and, without that, I can only make the weakest of criticisms.

  811. S says:
    @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    Part of it is the horrible, nightmare-inducing parasites.
    >Could you be a little more precise here?
     
    Did you not take any prophylactics for parasites? I recall way back in high school a girl who went there and who was taking a lot of prophylactics, initially, I thought she was bonkers, but in retrospect, given my better understanding of such things now, I think she was very sensible.

    [BTW, to support one of your previous points, she did mention young German women getting naked in front of her, at which point my jaw went slack, and she noticed it, from across the room, and averred personally to me that she what she had reported was true]

    Malaria and Chagas are two endemic parasites there. Chagas is possibly easy to avoid, if you know how to do it. Less so Malaria - I've known people who got it in the tropics, if not precisely there. That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms. Not to mention horrible viruses and bacterial diseases that technically aren't called parasites.

    I am sure you have heard of Schistosomiasis and Elephantiasis. Don't believe they are currently endemic to Costa Rica, but with global travel, you never know, and they are one reason to never recommend the tropics to anyone. (there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.

    Replies: @S

    That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms…(there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.

    Tapeworms, which are disgusting, were apparently around often enough in the United States in the 1920’s, 30’s, and 40’s to be a regular gag on the Three Stooges shorts.

    I doubt most people in the US today (happily 🙂 ) would even know what Moe was talking about.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @S

    It's a good thing tapeworms are obscure in 2022. Even better they were obscure back in the 1990's. Can you imagine if all the bulimia chicks had known you could have one of these, eat anything you want, and stay slim?

    https://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co.uk/resize/scaleWidth/800/cached.offlinehbpl.hbpl.co.uk/news/PGH/C0039754_cdp-20140313034603852.png

    Hmm. Maybe Hillary Clinton has acquired herself a tapeworm to go with her new facelift?

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/hillary-clinton-2024/index.html

    , @songbird
    @S

    When Moe and his brothers Shemp and Curly grew up in Brooklyn, they hadn't drained all the swamps yet, and it was still malarial.

    Hadn't remembered seeing that bit about tapeworms, but, by coincidence, I actually read Moe's book a few weeks back. (Someone gave it to me) Had some strange and amusing parts.

    When a young boy or toddler, Moe was supposedly blind for like 9 months because he fell off of one of those short film machines that he was being held up to by his brother.

    Think he said that when he grew up, it was 3 miles to one high school and 4 to the other, which, since he lived in Brooklyn, I thought was an interesting demonstration how attitudes towards education have changed.

    He said that one of his brothers went under the pier to relieve himself and proceeded to defecate on a young couple, who spooked him, making him run into a beam and knock himself out, while they waited for him. (that's so disgusting that I suspect he made it up, and had a twisted mind)

    He claimed that Ted Healy appealed to his common Irishness with some studio exec to prevent them from poaching his stooges. (this I find hard to believe too.)

    He also said some frankly unbelievable stuff about the South. (His phrasing was very weird and literary, that nobody could believe it was the truth and that he wasn't virtue-signaling) He supposedly wrote some article or else letter to the editor, when back in NYC to tell his story - would be interesting to read. He came across as very woke, for the time.

    Another thing that I thought was interesting is that there is a picture of them, when they were given a TV show that I think must have used their old clips, and they are sitting in the audience, among all children and various children, young boys and girls, are sitting in their laps, which I thought was a curious contrast with what would happen today.

    Replies: @S

    , @Philip Owen
    @S

    In a rural area, we learnt about tape worms in school biology inthe 1960s. There was interspecies contamination on the farms. Liver fluke too. One of the reasons I don't have pets. Some lunatic girls kissed working sheepdogs on the nose. Stopping on-farm slaughter of the family pig helped a lot apparently.

  812. @S
    @songbird


    That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms...(there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.
     
    Tapeworms, which are disgusting, were apparently around often enough in the United States in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's to be a regular gag on the Three Stooges shorts.

    I doubt most people in the US today (happily :-) ) would even know what Moe was talking about.


    https://youtu.be/Ldn3b8rK9h4


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Philip Owen

    It’s a good thing tapeworms are obscure in 2022. Even better they were obscure back in the 1990’s. Can you imagine if all the bulimia chicks had known you could have one of these, eat anything you want, and stay slim?

    Hmm. Maybe Hillary Clinton has acquired herself a tapeworm to go with her new facelift?

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/28/politics/hillary-clinton-2024/index.html

    • LOL: S
  813. @S
    @songbird


    That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms...(there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.
     
    Tapeworms, which are disgusting, were apparently around often enough in the United States in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's to be a regular gag on the Three Stooges shorts.

    I doubt most people in the US today (happily :-) ) would even know what Moe was talking about.


    https://youtu.be/Ldn3b8rK9h4


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Philip Owen

    When Moe and his brothers Shemp and Curly grew up in Brooklyn, they hadn’t drained all the swamps yet, and it was still malarial.

    [MORE]

    Hadn’t remembered seeing that bit about tapeworms, but, by coincidence, I actually read Moe’s book a few weeks back. (Someone gave it to me) Had some strange and amusing parts.

    When a young boy or toddler, Moe was supposedly blind for like 9 months because he fell off of one of those short film machines that he was being held up to by his brother.

    Think he said that when he grew up, it was 3 miles to one high school and 4 to the other, which, since he lived in Brooklyn, I thought was an interesting demonstration how attitudes towards education have changed.

    He said that one of his brothers went under the pier to relieve himself and proceeded to defecate on a young couple, who spooked him, making him run into a beam and knock himself out, while they waited for him. (that’s so disgusting that I suspect he made it up, and had a twisted mind)

    He claimed that Ted Healy appealed to his common Irishness with some studio exec to prevent them from poaching his stooges. (this I find hard to believe too.)

    He also said some frankly unbelievable stuff about the South. (His phrasing was very weird and literary, that nobody could believe it was the truth and that he wasn’t virtue-signaling) He supposedly wrote some article or else letter to the editor, when back in NYC to tell his story – would be interesting to read. He came across as very woke, for the time.

    Another thing that I thought was interesting is that there is a picture of them, when they were given a TV show that I think must have used their old clips, and they are sitting in the audience, among all children and various children, young boys and girls, are sitting in their laps, which I thought was a curious contrast with what would happen today.

    • Replies: @S
    @songbird


    Another thing that I thought was interesting is that there is a picture of them, when they were given a TV show that I think must have used their old clips, and they are sitting in the audience, among all children and various children...
     
    I'm guessing this was a promo for their mid 60's era cartoon series, where they'd have a bit of live action filmed (in color) on a California beach, typically with a lot of kids, and then go to their cartoons.

    There was a lot of places in the US that would include Three Stooges shorts (and early silent Keystone Kops) on their Saturday morning broadcast lineups, along with the cartoons, and they were very popular.

    Gotta say, Moe was a hard taskmaster to his fellow stooges, and almost impossible to please it seemed. Don't know how the other two put up with him. :-)

    Shemp Howard, with less 'air time' than Curly, doesn't always seem to have gotten the credit he deserves for the sacrifices he made to get it right.

    For instance, in the 1947 short Brideless Groom (see clip below) Shemp told his co-star Christine McIntyre to not hold back and to figuratively go ahead and let him have it, rather than have to film multiple painful takes, and retakes.

    Well, she did just as she was told, and let him have it! 😆


    https://youtu.be/7QflO2_uuVw

    Replies: @songbird

  814. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.
     
    Sure, it obviously ended up being a total disaster for the US (and our NATO allies). But the problem wasn't the initial deployment, just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Under my hypothesis, a major contributing factor was that the Covid release had been a rogue operation, so that neither Trump nor most of his top officials were aware of the dangers until it was too late.

    Replies: @216, @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

    There are no control measures that a liberal polity can take which will succeed in the long term. Were you in charge of the US government, and you even had mind-control over every single US governmental employee, you still would not be able to do what China has done. The American public would simply not obey you. Do you not understand this?

    You should also note that the majority of scientists realised that Covid could not be controlled, that it would stay around forever, and that any vaccines would be largely ineffective*. In other words, no scientists would see it as a suitable bioweapon of any sort.

    As for why you don’t know this, no one consistently had the courage to tell the public these facts, as the public would shoot the messenger who told them that many were going to die and there was really nothing to do about it. Even now, a substantial minority of the world’s population are terrified of Covid and spend most of their time isolated “sheltering” at home. I even still frequently see people wearing useless cloth masks while driving alone in their car.

    *Scientific opinion actually turned out to be somewhat wrong as regards the vaccines as the MRNA ones represent miraculous advancements in technology, and the others are not too bad.

    Nonetheless, they continue to become less effective, even as natural immunity has thankfully increased. This means that those who went through pain in the past, will go through less pain in the future. And those who delayed their pain, also heaped disruption, authoritarianism, loneliness and all other manner of ill effects, on themselves.

    The truth is that the Western scientific consensus from before the pandemic, on similar possible pandemics, was correct. Unsurprising really, since exercises are and were constantly run across all parts of government, every year and often multiple times in a year. They are what happen when someone important decides they want to test their organisation/make a name for themselves/look like they are doing something.

    The CMO and CSO in the UK openly stated everything I have said at the beginning, though the media tried to crucify them for it. Trying to control a virus as infectious as Covid is futile. You can only delay its spread, which there is a case for doing in order to stop hospitals from being overrun. Or if you know a cure is coming, but almost no one expected an even partially successful vaccine. And even with a partially successful vaccine, China has mostly only succeeded in delaying their pain. The vaccine’s immunity is short-lived and superficial, in that it does not seem to translate well between strains, which ever multiply. Though there probably is a risky case to be made for vaccinating people and then ensuring that they are infected straight after!

    One exception is Japan, which had no lockdowns and very little Covid spread, but I am not sure anyone actually understands how…

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  815. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AP
    @Triteleia Laxa

    A morally debauched German lady who took over Russia after killing its native ruler proceeded to play games with the lives of millions of natives whom she had enserfed or whose serfdom she had made worse, while entertaining degenerate Western ideologies.

    A weird precursor of an even more evil Georgian and his gang of non-Russian degenerates doing even worse things to the Slavs they ruled after killing the native ruler.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    She lived in a different time. I have no interest in trying to apply my understanding of things to her in a moralistic way. I have almost no idea what kind of opportunity costs, risks and general stresses existed in that era. So I obviously cannot claim to know what I would have done differently, and, without that, I can only make the weakest of criticisms.

  816. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Serbia is not a typical EE
     
    I know there are some political considerations (e.g. "Warsaw Pact" included Central Europe like Poland, Hungary and Czechoslovakia), surely but Serbia is not Eastern Europe.

    It is Southern Europe, whether geographically or culturally.

    In terms of 20th century politics, they were Yugoslavia, which was non-aligned West of the "Iron Curtain". In 19th century, they had some more "Eastern" influence in Ottoman Empire. But in terms of longitude, they also are central-west Europe.

    Although I guess, if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.
    https://i.imgur.com/YCedlPB.png


    My dad even had pretty decent tape player (what they used to call a “magnetophone”, lol), and decent locally made speakers.
     
    Do you know which speakers they are? I know there was famous radios from Tallin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DldqrSjuluE


    And "Estonia" was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today even despite the postsoviet deindustrialization (almost all the Soviet musical factories were closed by the 2000s).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KV3BvCd-ps

    Replies: @LatW, @YetAnotherAnon, @AnonfromTN

    That map reflects a fading delusion. The fact that most of Russian territory isn’t green should ring a bell. While there was (and still is, however reduced) fraction in Russia believing that it is Europe, in reality Russia isn’t. It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt. Europeans who think that this will pass soon should think again. Life is irreversible, and so is history.

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia, same as Indochina or India. Calling Europe a continent can only be explained by delusions of grandeur. These delusions might have had some basis in reality a century or two ago, but now they are clearly anachronistic. Ironically, the EU and UK work harder than anyone to drive whatever remains of Europe into the ground. In the emerging multi-polar world the US will likely remain one of the poles, but Europe won’t.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    These are what are commonly considered "the continents" in order of importance today:

    Asia
    North America
    Europe
    South America
    Africa
    Australasia
    Antarctica

    I doubt this will change this century. Maybe Africa will surpass South America, but only really because they have no population control. Or perhaps the US will actually go up to a billion citizens, hold it all together, China will shrink, and North America will somehow come out on top, but I extremely doubt it. Asia is just so big and populous.

    In the last century, Europe sunk from 1st to 3rd, but it was a bit crazy that such a tiny place, with a generally colder climate, had ever been 1st.

    However it will not sink further.

    As for Russia, I don't get what their future is. Practically every smart, young Russian leaves, and, in your words, they are not part of the civilisational sphere that theyflee to. This means that Russia is not even a periphery, but more of a nothing, and this war has only sped up the process.

    In total, 3.9 million people left Russia in the first quarter of 2022, 8.4 million in 2019, and 7.6 million in 2020.

    This is bad, even though many obviously return, as these aren't the 20% of people with no indoor plumbing leaving, or the pensioners, and they are going off to join "hostile nations."

    And what happens when oil and gas becomes unimportant? As it will. Currently these two account for 45% of federal revenues. This is about the same as it does for Nigeria.

    In fact, Russia has been on a downward trend for a decade. And what evidence is there of them learning and gaining the ability to reverse this trend? Bungling a stupid, savage and pointless war? Probably dying in the largest numbers from Covid of any nation, because no one gets vaccinated and they're old and unhealthy, but being unable to record deaths properly? Having their arms industry fall into disrepute? Having a shrinking TFR that's been negative, but for one year, since 1962? Attracting only the most mediocre of migrants to pad up those numbers?

    Obviously they can always turn things around and these things will never get as dire as those trends predict, but only because they will change course before they hit these many icebergs. The only question is how long it takes them to change course and what more they will lose along the way.

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, fading delusions...

    Europe is like a smart ambitious man who did well and then got into an unnecessary bloody fight (WWI-II) that he lost badly to a hefty, cumbersome guy from the east. The defeated Europe was only saved by a cunning cousin from across the sea who unfortunately had plans of his own.

    The giddy Europe partied with joy like only smart fools can. It was a hoot: energy for nothing, migrants for free, who cares about the past? Or the crimes? Lots of weasel words and "freedom talk" to hide it. It could all be talked away, denied, laughed and lied about.

    The overseas cousin gradually took more and more, and started to plan a rematch. In the east again. Not a big surprise, where else? That's where the good stuff is, the untermensch half-Asiatics cannot have it, "it wouldn't be fair!" (an actual quote).

    So back to the grind. Maybe this time it will be different: semi-new local allies (not really, but let's pretend they are new), culture of forgetting, and the miracle weapons as before. One never knows, maybe this time they will succeed.

    But what if they don't? The catastrophic aftermath could roll over Europe like an ugly tsunami: economic, political, cultural...out of energy, out of lies, the jolly good life could come to a halt. Like an aged Disney Park that is simultaneously over-crowded and empty.

    Seeing the "G7" group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn't know where he was or even who they were. The Belgian pederast ogling the fraulein with improbably blond hair. Nobody paid attention, masters of the universe who declared that they will from now set the prices ("price-cup of on oil") and stop taking gold. Markets be damned, 200-years of preaching be discarded, human nature no longer exists. After money by fiat we have reached markets by fiat. Maybe power by fiat is next.

    I will miss them, but a historical f..k-up.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @216
    @AnonfromTN


    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia
     
    This is an explicit denial of the European rights of self-determination. The status of Europe as a continent is inviolate, and no one is permitted to disagree.

    Asians have zero moral right to colonize Europe, not the least after their constant screaming about the XIX and XX centuries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Coconuts
    @AnonfromTN


    It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt.
     
    Doesn't this mirror the feelings of many Europeans about Russia following both the end of the Romanovs and the fall of the USSR, from world superpower to declining postmodern gangsta regime and future China-vassal?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

  817. @sher singh
    @Greasy William

    She belongs to us either way.

    Stick to ur sister,

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991617372605665361/abram-and-sarai.jpg



    Sarai (שָׂרַי‎ Sāray) is a biblical matriarch and prophetess, a major figure in Abrahamic religions. While different Abrahamic faiths portray her differently, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all depict her character similarly, as that of a pious woman, renowned for her hospitality and beauty, the wife and half-sister[2] of Abraham, and the mother of Isaac.
     

    Replies: @Beckow, @Greasy William

    Sarah is a pious woman…the wife and half-sister of Abraham

    A strange form of piety. But I suppose guys with a herd of cattle were rare, they still are. Maybe shacking up with the pharaoh wasn’t only about the free stuff…

    • Replies: @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    A strange form of piety
     
    1. It clearly states in the Torah that marriage between siblings was no prohibited until the Exodus, at which point enough mutations had accumulated the the human genome to make such unions dangerous for the resulting offspring.

    2. I don't think you want to be trash talking the mother of the Jewish people. Bad karma.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

  818. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry

    That map reflects a fading delusion. The fact that most of Russian territory isn’t green should ring a bell. While there was (and still is, however reduced) fraction in Russia believing that it is Europe, in reality Russia isn’t. It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt. Europeans who think that this will pass soon should think again. Life is irreversible, and so is history.

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia, same as Indochina or India. Calling Europe a continent can only be explained by delusions of grandeur. These delusions might have had some basis in reality a century or two ago, but now they are clearly anachronistic. Ironically, the EU and UK work harder than anyone to drive whatever remains of Europe into the ground. In the emerging multi-polar world the US will likely remain one of the poles, but Europe won’t.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @216, @Coconuts

    These are what are commonly considered “the continents” in order of importance today:

    Asia
    North America
    Europe
    South America
    Africa
    Australasia
    Antarctica

    I doubt this will change this century. Maybe Africa will surpass South America, but only really because they have no population control. Or perhaps the US will actually go up to a billion citizens, hold it all together, China will shrink, and North America will somehow come out on top, but I extremely doubt it. Asia is just so big and populous.

    In the last century, Europe sunk from 1st to 3rd, but it was a bit crazy that such a tiny place, with a generally colder climate, had ever been 1st.

    However it will not sink further.

    As for Russia, I don’t get what their future is. Practically every smart, young Russian leaves, and, in your words, they are not part of the civilisational sphere that theyflee to. This means that Russia is not even a periphery, but more of a nothing, and this war has only sped up the process.

    In total, 3.9 million people left Russia in the first quarter of 2022, 8.4 million in 2019, and 7.6 million in 2020.

    This is bad, even though many obviously return, as these aren’t the 20% of people with no indoor plumbing leaving, or the pensioners, and they are going off to join “hostile nations.”

    And what happens when oil and gas becomes unimportant? As it will. Currently these two account for 45% of federal revenues. This is about the same as it does for Nigeria.

    In fact, Russia has been on a downward trend for a decade. And what evidence is there of them learning and gaining the ability to reverse this trend? Bungling a stupid, savage and pointless war? Probably dying in the largest numbers from Covid of any nation, because no one gets vaccinated and they’re old and unhealthy, but being unable to record deaths properly? Having their arms industry fall into disrepute? Having a shrinking TFR that’s been negative, but for one year, since 1962? Attracting only the most mediocre of migrants to pad up those numbers?

    Obviously they can always turn things around and these things will never get as dire as those trends predict, but only because they will change course before they hit these many icebergs. The only question is how long it takes them to change course and what more they will lose along the way.

  819. @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry

    That map reflects a fading delusion. The fact that most of Russian territory isn’t green should ring a bell. While there was (and still is, however reduced) fraction in Russia believing that it is Europe, in reality Russia isn’t. It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt. Europeans who think that this will pass soon should think again. Life is irreversible, and so is history.

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia, same as Indochina or India. Calling Europe a continent can only be explained by delusions of grandeur. These delusions might have had some basis in reality a century or two ago, but now they are clearly anachronistic. Ironically, the EU and UK work harder than anyone to drive whatever remains of Europe into the ground. In the emerging multi-polar world the US will likely remain one of the poles, but Europe won’t.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @216, @Coconuts

    Yes, fading delusions

    Europe is like a smart ambitious man who did well and then got into an unnecessary bloody fight (WWI-II) that he lost badly to a hefty, cumbersome guy from the east. The defeated Europe was only saved by a cunning cousin from across the sea who unfortunately had plans of his own.

    The giddy Europe partied with joy like only smart fools can. It was a hoot: energy for nothing, migrants for free, who cares about the past? Or the crimes? Lots of weasel words and “freedom talk” to hide it. It could all be talked away, denied, laughed and lied about.

    The overseas cousin gradually took more and more, and started to plan a rematch. In the east again. Not a big surprise, where else? That’s where the good stuff is, the untermensch half-Asiatics cannot have it, “it wouldn’t be fair!” (an actual quote).

    So back to the grind. Maybe this time it will be different: semi-new local allies (not really, but let’s pretend they are new), culture of forgetting, and the miracle weapons as before. One never knows, maybe this time they will succeed.

    But what if they don’t? The catastrophic aftermath could roll over Europe like an ugly tsunami: economic, political, cultural…out of energy, out of lies, the jolly good life could come to a halt. Like an aged Disney Park that is simultaneously over-crowded and empty.

    Seeing the “G7” group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn’t know where he was or even who they were. The Belgian pederast ogling the fraulein with improbably blond hair. Nobody paid attention, masters of the universe who declared that they will from now set the prices (“price-cup of on oil”) and stop taking gold. Markets be damned, 200-years of preaching be discarded, human nature no longer exists. After money by fiat we have reached markets by fiat. Maybe power by fiat is next.

    I will miss them, but a historical f..k-up.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Seeing the “G7” group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn’t know where he was or even who they were.
     
    One of the Western commenters expressed it aptly: “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be "dwarves", but who speaks proper English?). To the dismay of G7, Putin is not the only one laughing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow

  820. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Police in "free" countries do not like protest, it seems to me. More work for them because of the remote chance the protest might get out of hand. If they or their superiors feel like it, you can get arrested (easier if you are in a small protest) or the police might throw riot gas canisters.
    It's fiction but there is a scene in Falling Down (1993) where a black guy protests against "not being economically viable". There is a certain irony, in that D-Fens (Michael Douglas) is nearby walking around with a gym bag of guns, but he is ignored.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7oglIAdnJM&t=41s

    Replies: @Beckow

    I saw the “Falling Down” movie recently by accident: LA as it really is. It was allowed to be made in the boisterous 90’s because they felt very confident, another good one is “Office Space”.

    Hollywood is let off the leash occasionally. But no more, uncertain times, so they are back to ‘beach and boobs” flicks – today for a change in all human hues and colors. Or a hero again defeats the ‘evil empire’ all bye himself. Tom Cruise just did it, didn’t even break a sweat.

    Don’t they get bored with their own propaganda?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    The 1990s was my prime decade for watching movies. Nothing I have seen in this century or millennium has been as good.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

  821. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Yes, fading delusions...

    Europe is like a smart ambitious man who did well and then got into an unnecessary bloody fight (WWI-II) that he lost badly to a hefty, cumbersome guy from the east. The defeated Europe was only saved by a cunning cousin from across the sea who unfortunately had plans of his own.

    The giddy Europe partied with joy like only smart fools can. It was a hoot: energy for nothing, migrants for free, who cares about the past? Or the crimes? Lots of weasel words and "freedom talk" to hide it. It could all be talked away, denied, laughed and lied about.

    The overseas cousin gradually took more and more, and started to plan a rematch. In the east again. Not a big surprise, where else? That's where the good stuff is, the untermensch half-Asiatics cannot have it, "it wouldn't be fair!" (an actual quote).

    So back to the grind. Maybe this time it will be different: semi-new local allies (not really, but let's pretend they are new), culture of forgetting, and the miracle weapons as before. One never knows, maybe this time they will succeed.

    But what if they don't? The catastrophic aftermath could roll over Europe like an ugly tsunami: economic, political, cultural...out of energy, out of lies, the jolly good life could come to a halt. Like an aged Disney Park that is simultaneously over-crowded and empty.

    Seeing the "G7" group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn't know where he was or even who they were. The Belgian pederast ogling the fraulein with improbably blond hair. Nobody paid attention, masters of the universe who declared that they will from now set the prices ("price-cup of on oil") and stop taking gold. Markets be damned, 200-years of preaching be discarded, human nature no longer exists. After money by fiat we have reached markets by fiat. Maybe power by fiat is next.

    I will miss them, but a historical f..k-up.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Seeing the “G7” group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn’t know where he was or even who they were.

    One of the Western commenters expressed it aptly: “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be “dwarves”, but who speaks proper English?). To the dismay of G7, Putin is not the only one laughing.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN


    “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be “dwarves”, but who speaks proper English?
     
    Not you, clearly, the standard English plural for "dwarf" is actually "dwarfs."

    Try not to be so obnoxious in such an obviously self-defeating way.

    In fact, "dwarves" is a Tolkienism:

    In a foreword to The Hobbit, published in 1937, J R R Tolkien writes: "In English, the only correct plural of 'dwarf' is 'dwarfs' and the adjective is 'dwarfish'. In this story 'dwarves' and 'dwarvish' are used, but only when speaking of the ancient people to whom Thorin Oakenshield and his companions belonged."

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    , @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Olaf Scholz was acting like a lost beta teenager, but with no hair and a scenic background. The look of scared devotion was unmistakable: "you will not forget me when the sh..t hits the fan? will you not, please Mr. Biden?".

    Then the scene where Zelko is on the monitor in the background making an emotional speech and nobody is paying attention: Macron is gay-hugging Justin-the-Canadian and then attempts to move in on BoJo (unsuccessfully), and the Belgian guy is pensively staring at Ursula von Leyen's shrunken boobs. Biden is asleep.

    Yeah, they are the ones who will finally do it: the Swedes, Napoleon, Poland, Germany all failed miserably, but this group will "win". Maybe they can put a "peak price" on other stuff too, how about macchiatos in Vienna, I could use a break.

    This is a comedy: "peak price for oil!!!!"...we will not pay a penny more, we set the price!!!! Did anyone mention it to OPEC? The whole point of OPEC is to set the price, maybe they should disband since von Leyen with some Belgian are now in charge. (A nice pair-up though, both seemingly straight and grown-up, very unusual in Brussels these days.)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  822. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Seeing the “G7” group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn’t know where he was or even who they were.
     
    One of the Western commenters expressed it aptly: “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be "dwarves", but who speaks proper English?). To the dismay of G7, Putin is not the only one laughing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow

    “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be “dwarves”, but who speaks proper English?

    Not you, clearly, the standard English plural for “dwarf” is actually “dwarfs.”

    Try not to be so obnoxious in such an obviously self-defeating way.

    In fact, “dwarves” is a Tolkienism:

    In a foreword to The Hobbit, published in 1937, J R R Tolkien writes: “In English, the only correct plural of ‘dwarf’ is ‘dwarfs’ and the adjective is ‘dwarfish’. In this story ‘dwarves’ and ‘dwarvish’ are used, but only when speaking of the ancient people to whom Thorin Oakenshield and his companions belonged.”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...“dwarves” is a Tolkienism...
     
    As all frustrated fanatics facing a defeat you escape into minutia, anything but to face reality.

    You should also know that paraphrasing what is said about you to throw it back is a basic pre-school level of skill: "not me, you!!!". Soon you may have to escape and change your moniker again as you did with Laxa.

    Unfortunately EU cannot do that - they have to face the consequences.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Cool! Ukrainian-style “peremoga” (victory): I beat up your boot with my ass. Congrats!

  823. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dmitry

    I'm trying to remember what the Soviet multi-band radios were called which were sold in the UK. Zenith?

    I have a LOMO LC-A camera somewhere at home, and TAL telescopes were pretty popular with UK amateur astronomers - very stable mount IIRC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomo_LC-A

    I've just remembered I had a cheap Rigonda mono record player, a mono version of this.

    https://www.radios-tv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rigonda2.jpg

    Replies: @LatW, @Lurker

    I had a cheap Rigonda mono record player

    Rigonda was made in Latvia, too, same as the S-30 speakers (same factory). Had no idea those were sold in the UK.

  824. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN


    “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be “dwarves”, but who speaks proper English?
     
    Not you, clearly, the standard English plural for "dwarf" is actually "dwarfs."

    Try not to be so obnoxious in such an obviously self-defeating way.

    In fact, "dwarves" is a Tolkienism:

    In a foreword to The Hobbit, published in 1937, J R R Tolkien writes: "In English, the only correct plural of 'dwarf' is 'dwarfs' and the adjective is 'dwarfish'. In this story 'dwarves' and 'dwarvish' are used, but only when speaking of the ancient people to whom Thorin Oakenshield and his companions belonged."

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    …“dwarves” is a Tolkienism…

    As all frustrated fanatics facing a defeat you escape into minutia, anything but to face reality.

    You should also know that paraphrasing what is said about you to throw it back is a basic pre-school level of skill: “not me, you!!!”. Soon you may have to escape and change your moniker again as you did with Laxa.

    Unfortunately EU cannot do that – they have to face the consequences.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    "escape into minutiae, anything but to to face reality"
     
    ? :-)

    So says the pied piper of sovokism, socialism and all manner of refuge for the those truly beyond hope: Beckow's favorite political platform:


    "Euthanize the old an give to the young"
     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I0wvT79oA90/V0IacjbZADI/AAAAAAAAetM/VHo0zOTz3vcSF624Gz80i5jrcLyrypANACLcB/s1600/Bernie%2Band%2Bkids%2Bnowadays%2B.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

  825. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The WAIS doesn’t have science section. PISA doesn’t have logic section.
     
    It includes a few science questions in the Information subtest.

    The PISA is an extensive test of verbal knowledge - the ability to absorb and recall academic information. It is much more thorough than the WAIS when it comes to this specific component of intelligence. But the WAIS includes other components such as logic, pattern recognition, puzzles etc.

    The Ravens is an extensive test of pattern recognition, puzzles, etc. Like the PISA, it is more thorough in this narrow area than is the WAIS.

    "Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans."

    The difference is negligible.
     
    The PISA-derived white American IQ was something like 102, compare to 100.4 for the ethnic Russians. Not big, but not imperceptible.

    "The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree."

    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That’s a vicious circle.
     
    Anyone can finance their studies because predatory lenders will be happy to do so. There is a problem with such lenders financing studies for people who are not smart, and who then fail and get stuck with debt for a degree that they were incapable of getting.

    An average person can certainly get a degree in something like Business Administration and work in a cubicle as office plankton, but will not be able to get a degree in medicine, or engineering, pharmacy, etc. Nor pass board examinations in certain fields.

    "Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees."

    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada.
     
    By that do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees?

    58 percent of the Russians have a master’s degree
     
    1. You are clearly mistaken.

    2. Russian education system isn't parallel to the American one. Russians finish school after the 11th grade and then complete a 5 year degree that combined Bachelor's and Master's. So essentially everybody who completed a post-secondary university education has a Master's degree. And the next degree is a Kandidat degree.

    With that in mind:

    https://i.imgur.com/frDxGzF.png

    Here is a comparison of simply tertiary education:

    https://data.oecd.org/eduatt/adult-education-level.htm

    56.7% Russia, 50% USA, 33.1% Germany

    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education; there is nothing wrong with dignified non-university work such as electrician work, plumbing, technical work, farming, etc. and Germany does a great job with training people for such professions.

    "There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans."

    That doesn’t make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.
     
    But they are not the exact same questions, so they cannot be directly compared. The substitution is such that it corresponds to local rather than non-local norms. That is, questions are selected for the Canadian version that produce a Canadian average score of 100. Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult or obscure relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100 for Canada.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.
     
    And they can't be on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies I linked to mentioned only using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries). But in doing so you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.

    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.
     
    RPM does have different norms for each country. But because the items are identical in all countries and only the norms are different, one can simply score the RPM using another country's norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country. Such as the British IQ.

    But because not only norms but also the items are different in each country for the WAIS, one can't just substitute norms.

    "When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were."

    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened.
     
    Your words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5389482

    "Those lads from the villages were a lot tougher than us, urban dudes....And their parents hated our parents....We spoke Russian, as most people in the cities. Their parents spoke Ukrainian. ..We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them."

    My memory was close, being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.

    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. Not only my extended family - once I took a road trip deep into the Galician countryside in Ternopil oblast, where the roads are third world quality. I knocked out a tire in a massive pothole. I don't know how to fix such things, but villagers I had never met came out to help, changed it for me, and everything. Salt of the Earth.

    If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them. And in your case their anger was not misapplied:

    "One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?"

    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.
     
    And those Germans working in concentration camps also believed in their work. They sincerely wanted to liberate their people from the victims, in order to make the world a better place.

    I know how the taxes worked, I heard firsthand. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too.
    The government left the peasants alone. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes to an absurdly high amount that no one could pay, then stole/confiscated everyone's land for nonpayment. Russians or Russian-speaking Jews coming into the villages from towns or cities to steal everything the peasants owned and worked for and hoped to pass down to their children.

    "transition from serfdom to relative freedom" - Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine Stolypin's reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. Government didn't intrude in people's lives. Only contact with the government under the tsars was when the tax man came once a year, collected a very modest tax, otherwise the peasants were left alone. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn’t want to, so the law had to be enforced.
     
    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them. Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers. A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom, etc.).

    For me it’s a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group.
     
    My ethnicity is the same but my ancestral social backgrounds are different and I move between continents.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Here Be Dragon

    My ethnicity is the same but my ancestral social backgrounds are different and I move between continents.

    That’s certainly impressive, but did you know that Superman could move between planets (and galaxies too)?

    Sorry AP, I just couldn’t resist. 🙂

    (It’s all good).

  826. @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow


    Seeing the “G7” group in Germany was telling: eager weak men giggling behind a grandpa who didn’t know where he was or even who they were.
     
    One of the Western commenters expressed it aptly: “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be "dwarves", but who speaks proper English?). To the dismay of G7, Putin is not the only one laughing.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow

    Olaf Scholz was acting like a lost beta teenager, but with no hair and a scenic background. The look of scared devotion was unmistakable: “you will not forget me when the sh..t hits the fan? will you not, please Mr. Biden?“.

    Then the scene where Zelko is on the monitor in the background making an emotional speech and nobody is paying attention: Macron is gay-hugging Justin-the-Canadian and then attempts to move in on BoJo (unsuccessfully), and the Belgian guy is pensively staring at Ursula von Leyen’s shrunken boobs. Biden is asleep.

    Yeah, they are the ones who will finally do it: the Swedes, Napoleon, Poland, Germany all failed miserably, but this group will “win”. Maybe they can put a “peak price” on other stuff too, how about macchiatos in Vienna, I could use a break.

    This is a comedy: “peak price for oil!!!!”…we will not pay a penny more, we set the price!!!! Did anyone mention it to OPEC? The whole point of OPEC is to set the price, maybe they should disband since von Leyen with some Belgian are now in charge. (A nice pair-up though, both seemingly straight and grown-up, very unusual in Brussels these days.)

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Reagan succeeded. As did Kaiser Wilhelm. So too did Palmerston, Meiji Japan, the Mujahadeen and even Azerbaijan.

    Replies: @Beckow

  827. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa


    ...“dwarves” is a Tolkienism...
     
    As all frustrated fanatics facing a defeat you escape into minutia, anything but to face reality.

    You should also know that paraphrasing what is said about you to throw it back is a basic pre-school level of skill: "not me, you!!!". Soon you may have to escape and change your moniker again as you did with Laxa.

    Unfortunately EU cannot do that - they have to face the consequences.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “escape into minutiae, anything but to to face reality”

    ? 🙂

    So says the pied piper of sovokism, socialism and all manner of refuge for the those truly beyond hope: Beckow’s favorite political platform:

    “Euthanize the old an give to the young”

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    Euthanize the old an give to the young...
     
    You sound worried, grandpa. Not having kids may come back to haunt you.

    A quick reality check: aren't you getting 'free' Medicare? Or soon? And how much did you exactly pay for your college?

    It could be you in that clown outfit, you just refuse to look in the mirror. So get a few more of those miracle C19 shots since you so interested in euthanasia. Another half a dozen or so may do it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  828. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    "escape into minutiae, anything but to to face reality"
     
    ? :-)

    So says the pied piper of sovokism, socialism and all manner of refuge for the those truly beyond hope: Beckow's favorite political platform:


    "Euthanize the old an give to the young"
     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-I0wvT79oA90/V0IacjbZADI/AAAAAAAAetM/VHo0zOTz3vcSF624Gz80i5jrcLyrypANACLcB/s1600/Bernie%2Band%2Bkids%2Bnowadays%2B.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    Euthanize the old an give to the young…

    You sound worried, grandpa. Not having kids may come back to haunt you.

    A quick reality check: aren’t you getting ‘free’ Medicare? Or soon? And how much did you exactly pay for your college?

    It could be you in that clown outfit, you just refuse to look in the mirror. So get a few more of those miracle C19 shots since you so interested in euthanasia. Another half a dozen or so may do it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You sound worried, grandpa. Not having kids may come back to haunt you.
     
    I'm not too worried, as I've tried to show you in the past (it's hard to penetrate a hardhead though) retiree benefits are a sacred cow in the US. Anybody that tries to cutback is comitting political suicide. Do you really think that your kids are going to take care of you in your retirement years? I wouldn't think so based on your propensity for having such a surly personality. But then again, if you live in that Beckow castle and have managed to squirrel away a lot, they might be nice to you. Or more lokely if they know your feelings o this topic they might just plan for your own early demise (by then it will become "early", trust me). :-)

    I'm still not drawing Medicare and paid a lot less for college tuition that students pay for it now.

    No, the clown outfit, better fits you than me. I've never been big on socialism or communism like you have! Aren't you the one that's really propagating the idea of taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots? That way most everybody will end up poor, like in Slovakia or Russia? :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

  829. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN


    “Putin and seven dwarfs” (for Brits: in proper English, it should be “dwarves”, but who speaks proper English?
     
    Not you, clearly, the standard English plural for "dwarf" is actually "dwarfs."

    Try not to be so obnoxious in such an obviously self-defeating way.

    In fact, "dwarves" is a Tolkienism:

    In a foreword to The Hobbit, published in 1937, J R R Tolkien writes: "In English, the only correct plural of 'dwarf' is 'dwarfs' and the adjective is 'dwarfish'. In this story 'dwarves' and 'dwarvish' are used, but only when speaking of the ancient people to whom Thorin Oakenshield and his companions belonged."

    Replies: @Beckow, @AnonfromTN

    Cool! Ukrainian-style “peremoga” (victory): I beat up your boot with my ass. Congrats!

  830. @Barbarossa
    @Dmitry

    I saw the words "asset stripped" in the body of the comment and I immediately knew it was from Dmitry.

    It's like your calling card. I'm not making fun of the term, by the way, I actually rather like it as it describes the condition quite accurately. Synonyms like impoverished don't really convey the same sense of intentional transfer.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Lol I’m usually criticized for always writing the same post about this (producing repetitive strain syndrome in the readers, which I should apologize for), but I think “asset strip” is the correct verb for this process of postsoviet history and there is no problem to write enough about it.

    After the USSR is collapsing, the fungible components of public goods are removed and sold to the international markets*, then part of this product of the Soviet Union public wealth is privately re-invested again to Russia/Ukraine as imported goods and services. For these re-investment as imports, beyond necessity to continue essential production (e.g. in the natural resources production sites), there is very unequal geographical distribution, so e.g. central Moscow looks like pirate’s treasure cave, without even space for all the mountains of the gold building in that city.

    But many parts of the country which is producing the value for this, is becoming increasingly “optimized” relative to time, so as the years continue, the public space becomces more and more underinvested. This then contributes to increasing the rate of internal immigration, as many people in the underinvested regions are immigrating to the areas where the mountains of wealth are concentrated.

    There is also a kind of parody of hypercapitalism in some of the most important public institutions like the universities. So, the universities become like a business, with the local students as the lowest level of captive customer, where administrative part of the university is only interested in the money the students pay. At the same time, the classrooms are not going to be repainted for decades, as there is such a concept of capitalism “optimization”, where the idea is you only spend the minimal possible on parts of the institution which are not related to profits.

    So, perhaps, the accommodation of the international students can achieve the new paint on walls, as they are less captive customers who can choose to go to another country. But for the local students (who are the captive market), you don’t want to waste money or invest beyond the minimum possible level for their public space.

    * Such kind of “capitalism going wrong” behavior after the collapse of the Soviet Union, reminds of this post I wrote to you last week, when the mafia in Europe is stealing the lead from the roof of the public buildings, then selling those fungible components to international markets. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5399756

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  831. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    When Moe and his brothers Shemp and Curly grew up in Brooklyn, they hadn't drained all the swamps yet, and it was still malarial.

    Hadn't remembered seeing that bit about tapeworms, but, by coincidence, I actually read Moe's book a few weeks back. (Someone gave it to me) Had some strange and amusing parts.

    When a young boy or toddler, Moe was supposedly blind for like 9 months because he fell off of one of those short film machines that he was being held up to by his brother.

    Think he said that when he grew up, it was 3 miles to one high school and 4 to the other, which, since he lived in Brooklyn, I thought was an interesting demonstration how attitudes towards education have changed.

    He said that one of his brothers went under the pier to relieve himself and proceeded to defecate on a young couple, who spooked him, making him run into a beam and knock himself out, while they waited for him. (that's so disgusting that I suspect he made it up, and had a twisted mind)

    He claimed that Ted Healy appealed to his common Irishness with some studio exec to prevent them from poaching his stooges. (this I find hard to believe too.)

    He also said some frankly unbelievable stuff about the South. (His phrasing was very weird and literary, that nobody could believe it was the truth and that he wasn't virtue-signaling) He supposedly wrote some article or else letter to the editor, when back in NYC to tell his story - would be interesting to read. He came across as very woke, for the time.

    Another thing that I thought was interesting is that there is a picture of them, when they were given a TV show that I think must have used their old clips, and they are sitting in the audience, among all children and various children, young boys and girls, are sitting in their laps, which I thought was a curious contrast with what would happen today.

    Replies: @S

    Another thing that I thought was interesting is that there is a picture of them, when they were given a TV show that I think must have used their old clips, and they are sitting in the audience, among all children and various children…

    I’m guessing this was a promo for their mid 60’s era cartoon series, where they’d have a bit of live action filmed (in color) on a California beach, typically with a lot of kids, and then go to their cartoons.

    There was a lot of places in the US that would include Three Stooges shorts (and early silent Keystone Kops) on their Saturday morning broadcast lineups, along with the cartoons, and they were very popular.

    Gotta say, Moe was a hard taskmaster to his fellow stooges, and almost impossible to please it seemed. Don’t know how the other two put up with him. 🙂

    Shemp Howard, with less ‘air time’ than Curly, doesn’t always seem to have gotten the credit he deserves for the sacrifices he made to get it right.

    For instance, in the 1947 short Brideless Groom (see clip below) Shemp told his co-star Christine McIntyre to not hold back and to figuratively go ahead and let him have it, rather than have to film multiple painful takes, and retakes.

    Well, she did just as she was told, and let him have it! 😆

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @songbird
    @S

    I'd like to see one of the early movies with Ted Healy, before they refined their act, but I can only manage to find a clip or two. (Shemp originally walked away from the act because he did not want to be cheated by Healy, on his salary). Moe, it seems, adopted the role of Healy as brash leader of the stooges.

    IMO, despite his talents and dedication, Shemp's hairdo makes him a less memorable character. As the hairdos of the other three really played off of each other.

    Moe supposedly got the idea for throwing pies one day when he saw a slice of pie in someone's dressing room and asked if he could have it. He then proceeded to the top of the building and nailed his brother who happened to be walking towards the entrance. His brother looked up, and saw an open window, and proceeded to march up and become really angry at the people that Moe had borrowed the pie from, not realizing immediately that it was Moe who threw it from above.

    According to Moe, they used cardboard backing when they threw pies to make it safer, but it was still pretty dangerous. If you had your mouth open, you'd nearly be suffocated. And the prop department ran out of cream sometimes, so swept the old stuff off the floors, or mixed it with sawdust or industrial cleaners, and it was bad to get in your eyes or throat.

    In one bit, they were supposed to be piled on my real-life college football players, but they balked. Eventually, it was agreed to use stunt doubles. The three stunt doubles broke bones in the first take.

    PS: I am thinking that Mr. Hack must also be a big fan of the Stooges, for all his references to "kremlinstooges."

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S

  832. @Beckow
    @AnonfromTN

    Olaf Scholz was acting like a lost beta teenager, but with no hair and a scenic background. The look of scared devotion was unmistakable: "you will not forget me when the sh..t hits the fan? will you not, please Mr. Biden?".

    Then the scene where Zelko is on the monitor in the background making an emotional speech and nobody is paying attention: Macron is gay-hugging Justin-the-Canadian and then attempts to move in on BoJo (unsuccessfully), and the Belgian guy is pensively staring at Ursula von Leyen's shrunken boobs. Biden is asleep.

    Yeah, they are the ones who will finally do it: the Swedes, Napoleon, Poland, Germany all failed miserably, but this group will "win". Maybe they can put a "peak price" on other stuff too, how about macchiatos in Vienna, I could use a break.

    This is a comedy: "peak price for oil!!!!"...we will not pay a penny more, we set the price!!!! Did anyone mention it to OPEC? The whole point of OPEC is to set the price, maybe they should disband since von Leyen with some Belgian are now in charge. (A nice pair-up though, both seemingly straight and grown-up, very unusual in Brussels these days.)

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    Reagan succeeded. As did Kaiser Wilhelm. So too did Palmerston, Meiji Japan, the Mujahadeen and even Azerbaijan.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Succeeded in what? I just checked and Russia is still there with all the resources.

    Kaiser ended his days as a sad exile in Netherlands. I have no idea who "Palmerston" was, was he another British wanker building empires around the world?

    Japan was nuked, it doesn't get much worse than that. Last weekend Japan sent a guy who looked like a Yokohama postal inspector to the G7; he never even moved, not once. They are probably still belly-aching over the Kurils and scared they could be nuked again. And Reagan, what exactly did he win if his progeny is now facing the same?

    What are the odds that Zelko or Scholz would be added to your list?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  833. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    Euthanize the old an give to the young...
     
    You sound worried, grandpa. Not having kids may come back to haunt you.

    A quick reality check: aren't you getting 'free' Medicare? Or soon? And how much did you exactly pay for your college?

    It could be you in that clown outfit, you just refuse to look in the mirror. So get a few more of those miracle C19 shots since you so interested in euthanasia. Another half a dozen or so may do it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You sound worried, grandpa. Not having kids may come back to haunt you.

    I’m not too worried, as I’ve tried to show you in the past (it’s hard to penetrate a hardhead though) retiree benefits are a sacred cow in the US. Anybody that tries to cutback is comitting political suicide. Do you really think that your kids are going to take care of you in your retirement years? I wouldn’t think so based on your propensity for having such a surly personality. But then again, if you live in that Beckow castle and have managed to squirrel away a lot, they might be nice to you. Or more lokely if they know your feelings o this topic they might just plan for your own early demise (by then it will become “early”, trust me). 🙂

    I’m still not drawing Medicare and paid a lot less for college tuition that students pay for it now.

    No, the clown outfit, better fits you than me. I’ve never been big on socialism or communism like you have! Aren’t you the one that’s really propagating the idea of taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots? That way most everybody will end up poor, like in Slovakia or Russia? 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...I’m not too worried...benefits are a sacred cow
     
    Thou protest too much, we see that deep inside you are quite worried. Everything is sacred, until it is not. A trim here and there and soon you will be pining for those kids, too late.

    I am not at all surly, but I am very direct - it saves time. Some people confuse the two.


    ...idea of taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots? That way most everybody will end up poor...
     
    Economy is an "exchange of stuff" - it is literally taking and giving in an endless cycle. That's what it is - there is no wealth without it, so your silly objection to this cycle makes no sense. What are you an Ayn Rand aficionado?

    When they take stuff from you it will be to give it to someone else - as you took the cheap subsidized education and will soon take the free Medicare (you know, that nothing is free). Also, I am a lot of things but not poor, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  834. @A123
    @Wokechoke


    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (America) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.
     
    Let me Fix That For You:

    Putin did not object to EU membership. He did not like NATO (European Elites) threatening to base troops in Kharkov.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @haha

    A123, you have put forward an interesting perspective. However, it is difficult to assign agency to a militarily irrelevant, raw-material deprived, acutely energy-short Europe. Yes, you are right, the EU elites are a bunch of evil ….. (fill in the blanks) but these poor buggers are stupid beyond all limits and are treated as vassals by the US. Remember, the US bugging of German Chancellor’s office? Consequences? None. Remember, Biden declared openly that Nordstream II was not going to be allowed to happen. What happened thereafter? The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line. Doesn’t look like the Euro clowns are in the driver’s seat though, of course, how they wish they were. Of course, they sometimes also delude themselves and pretend that they are steering world affairs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @haha


    The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line
     
    And here I thought that the Russians first invaded Ukraine back in February and that Ukraine was just defending itself? Unless of course Russia itself is a vassal state of the US too, and was ordered to start this war? These conspiracy theories make it so that any fool can float any scenario he wants, and still come off sounding credible?.....

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @A123
    @haha


    it is difficult to assign agency to a militarily irrelevant, raw-material deprived, acutely energy-short Europe.
     
    They had enough agency to wage a Color Revolution in America. It took the Blue Coup to place the illegitimate Not-The-President Biden in power. That was authoritarian Europe's idea to suppress Populism at home and abroad.

    Remember, Biden declared openly that Nordstream II was not going to be allowed to happen.
     
    The White House occupant's regime would have had the opposite view as a default:
    -- MegaCorporation Globalists for it
    -- #NeverTrump acolytes for it, because Trump opposed NS2

    • • Pipelines for THEE, but not for US! • •

    Not-The-President Biden must have been directed to this "policy pronouncement" by powerful European puppeteers. It is not hard to link this back to its source. The German Green Party wanted Not-The-President Biden to declare NS2 dead. Ultimately, they killed it as part of the Traffic Light coalition.


    Doesn’t look like the Euro clowns are in the driver’s seat though, of course, how they wish they were. Of course, they sometimes also delude themselves and pretend that they are steering world affairs.
     
    Europe has much more control than the current, illicit U.S. administration headed by a mental vegetable. Look at how explicitly he his controlled.

     
    https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/biden-instructions-index.jpg
     

    The problem is more that different parts of Europe want different things. Even Germany and France have conflicting views. However, it is self evident that America is taking orders, not giving them.

    PEACE 😇

  835. @haha
    @A123

    A123, you have put forward an interesting perspective. However, it is difficult to assign agency to a militarily irrelevant, raw-material deprived, acutely energy-short Europe. Yes, you are right, the EU elites are a bunch of evil ..... (fill in the blanks) but these poor buggers are stupid beyond all limits and are treated as vassals by the US. Remember, the US bugging of German Chancellor's office? Consequences? None. Remember, Biden declared openly that Nordstream II was not going to be allowed to happen. What happened thereafter? The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line. Doesn't look like the Euro clowns are in the driver's seat though, of course, how they wish they were. Of course, they sometimes also delude themselves and pretend that they are steering world affairs.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line

    And here I thought that the Russians first invaded Ukraine back in February and that Ukraine was just defending itself? Unless of course Russia itself is a vassal state of the US too, and was ordered to start this war? These conspiracy theories make it so that any fool can float any scenario he wants, and still come off sounding credible?…..

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    And here I thought that the Russians first invaded Ukraine back in February
     
    FYI, Ukrainian puppet regime started the war in 2014. In February began the last stage: armed response.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  836. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin's a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he's more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    Replies: @LatW, @Anatoly Karlin

    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.

    Not addressing you in particular but the thread at large.

    While Dmitry is an authority on many things, such as sneakers and unboxing videos and stalking the offspring of influential Russians on Instagram, Russian nationalism is not one of those topics. And Bashibuzuk is a émigré with weird pan-Slavist paganist views which are marginal even amongst marginals, who decided to make his permanent home in a country that is acutely at odds with his purported larp ideology.

    The vast majority of ethnic Russian nationalists are banally pro-Russian, viewing Russians Belorussians and Ukrainians as one people, and support the war to regather the Russian lands.

    Hit list of “right-wingers” on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/

    Basically the only “prominent” Russian nationalist of note on the anti-war part of the list is White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi Demushkin. The rest are frankly mostly libertarians and include bizarre choices like Sobchak presumably to pad it out.

    On the pro-war list, to be brutally liquidated in the event of a NATO occupation government in Russia: Strelkov, Malofeev, Kholmogorv, Bastrakov and all the Chernaya Sotnya people, all the Sputnik and Pogrom people, all the NatsBols, yours truly.

    Anyhow, not that I really care what the people here think beyond dropping in to point this out, I prioritize more productive things these days, such as making money to send it to Russian volunteers.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    When are you going to write an article, as regards the hypothetical, of when Russia fails in their invasion of Ukraine?

    You might want to pretend, or really actually think, that it is unlikely, but contingency planning is the mark of sober maturity.

    Whence to does Russian nationalism go after humiliation in Ukraine?

    You don't want to be the bag carriers for this tragedy. Nor miss the opportunity that the Bolsheviks took, of turning national humiliation to your advantage. Russia can rise again, just not on its current course.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You could at least offer an opinion on the stability of the apparent bitcoin floor @ 20K!

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Triteleia Laxa

    , @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Hit list of “right-wingers” on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/
     
    Quite a few good looking women on the anti-war camp versus basically none on the pro-war one. Possibly not a coincidence.

    Let's hope apolitical Russians note the difference. Successful mass movements typically attract the young and good looking and with them the rest of society follows.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

  837. @Mr. Hack
    @haha


    The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line
     
    And here I thought that the Russians first invaded Ukraine back in February and that Ukraine was just defending itself? Unless of course Russia itself is a vassal state of the US too, and was ordered to start this war? These conspiracy theories make it so that any fool can float any scenario he wants, and still come off sounding credible?.....

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    And here I thought that the Russians first invaded Ukraine back in February

    FYI, Ukrainian puppet regime started the war in 2014. In February began the last stage: armed response.

    • Agree: A123
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    No, it seems that you and you fellow kremlin stooge A123 have it ass backwards. According to Wikipedia, in 2014 it was Russian inspired and led forces that fired the first salvos and that were behind the first insurrection within Ukraine's borders. In 2022, it's clear that Russian forces crossed Ukraine's borders and fomented the war that we're still seeing right before our very eyes. You know Professor, I cut you a little bit of slack for trying to present an ant-Ukrainian position, seeing that your own mother experienced some damage from the Ukrainian side, but kremlinstoogeA123 who "does not have a horse in this race" is a despicable lout for his pro-Putler positions. Maybe Putler has some incriminating photos of him enjoying himself with some Moscow call girls, or something similar?

    kremlinstoogeA123 is so out of touch with American public opinion, one wonders how and why he considers himself as some sort of a political pundit? For the first time in recent US history, Americans of both major political persuasions agree about something:


    By the numbers: Around 76% of the people who took the poll believe that the U.S. should provide more humanitarian support to Ukraine, and 67% support increasing economic sanctions on Russia.

    55% believe the U.S. should provide more military support to Ukraine.
     

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/poll-americans-biden-ukraine-russia-invasion

    He's so out of touch with reality, that his new incarnation as Putler's shoe shine boy seems to fit his new persona to a tee.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Triteleia Laxa, @AnonfromTN

  838. @songbird
    Two book ideas:

    1.) Someone should try to make an imitation Sherlock Holmes (or perhaps, Nancy Drew would be funnier) where every story has a heavy dose of HBD.

    2.) Someone should write the true life biopic of Steven Seagal. IMO, it would be a bestseller, though it might be hard to uncover all his mob ties. Would make a good movie too.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    There is already a study of Lord Steve’s cinematic oeuvre called ‘Seagalology’, a biography would be a good companion for that work. They could make the biopic by distilling down the essential parts of the biography, highlighting the background behind some of his greatest roles and portrayals; Nico, Gino, Jonathan Cold, Elijah Kane, Mr. Alexander etc.

    I do wonder with Lord Steve to what extent life imitated art, or maybe the other way around?

    I watched a fairly recent Russian detective drama where the hero was a champion of the theories of Cesare Lombroso, which he had completely perfected, so he could always identify the criminal via study of their facial features and traits. This was quite based when you think about it, I was thinking at the time, someone should pitch this concept to the BBC.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Coconuts

    https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/steven-seagal-russian-army-rumors-debunked-alleged-cnn-report-goes-viral

    , @songbird
    @Coconuts

    There seems to be an interesting subculture on youtube about criticizing Seagall:

    For example, uploaded in the last hour:
    https://youtu.be/itlaw88glc4

    And in the last 24:
    https://youtu.be/gL1yYXzpdLw

  839. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    if we were too pedantic for maps, we would say Saaremaa of Estonia is the real center of Europe.
     
    Ok, I won't object. :D According to your map, the northernmost point of Europe is The Rudolf Island (Russia).


    Do you know which speakers they are?
     
    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika) that were among the most advanced in the SU.

    And “Estonia” was probably the best Soviet piano brands. Estonia was able to continue at least this part of its music industry today
     
    Yea, they have a lot of nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika

    I thought you had grown up in Estonia, so I was wondering about Estonian products.

    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model “S90”

    It’s interesting the company has survived and was selling some speakers with the same 1970s Soviet design language today. The appearance is still the Soviet nostalgia but now with 4-way

    nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.

    I didn’t know about surviving of the Baltic states’ hi-fi industry.

    For the “Estonia” pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union. But the most common performance pianos were being imported from Czechoslovakia (Petrof brand). Petrof also managed to survive the transition to capitalism although not really common nowadays.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model “S90”
     
    Yes, I think the S90 was a later version. No idea how much they cost. They were very well known back in the 80s and some people are still into that vintage stuff.


    I didn’t know about surviving of the Baltic states’ hi-fi industry.
     
    Yes, there is some that survived (such as the Radiotehnika acoustic lab). And there are some new boutique firms.

    The original VEF factory was built in the late 19th century (was originally called Union). It was the biggest electrotechnical factory in the whole Empire. The building is really amazing and it's been renovated. The original outer wall with a statue of Zeus but with a modern interior (it's the office for a big Latvian router company), you can see it in this link (if you scroll down you can see the original walls):

    https://archidea.lv/en/portfolio/portfolio/buvlaukumslvpublikacijas/architecture/136/

    The VEF Culture Palace is also renovated and hosts a recording studio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJyWkfIliS0

    For the “Estonia” pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union.
     
    Yes, they were. Do you play piano?

    No, I didn't grow up in Estonia, I must've mislead you slightly, I meant we used to vacation there a lot.
    I grew up in a nice town on the dunes in LV.

    The Estonian piano factory also has its roots in the late 19th century, they were pretty much wiped out during the wars. The pianos they're making now are very high quality (sold in the USA).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    https://i.postimg.cc/Y07Hx6bb/Radiotehnika-K-101-with-S-30.jpg

    Radiotehnika K-101 with S-30 speakers.

    Soviet Hi-Fi gear was not bad. But Russian Союз hand-crafted microphones are the best.

    https://soyuzmicrophones.com/our-story

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

  840. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.

    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.
     
    US didn't send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    "Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas."

    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.
     
    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy under the Romanovs. Instead it is a continuation of the RSFSR, which had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory's population. And "still speaking Russian" is a lie - majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian until after the Soviet takeover. Check the 1897 census. For example, Kherson governate, which included both Kherson and Odessa regions:

    http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd.php?reg=1642

    54% Little Russian (Ukrainian) by language, only 21% Great Russian by language

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.

    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people
     
    Sharikov lies again.

    Odessa oblast:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8

    63% Ukrainian, 21% Russian

    In 1970 under Soviets it was 55% Ukrainian, 24% Russian.

    Odessa city once had a Russian majority but the region overall was always majority Ukrainian.

    This is even more true of Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, etc.

    Only Crimea and the parts of Donbas that left Ukraine in 2014 had Russian majorities.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.

    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century.
     
    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.

    An attempt of independence isn’t independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years
     
    And a kitchen isn't a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household. Lol.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories. The Bolsheviks never gave Ukraine those territories.

    When the Ukrainian SSR was created it was based on the territory of the UPR.

    Replies: @Sean, @Here Be Dragon, @Philip Owen

    [MORE]

    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did. Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    Forced or not doesn’t matter, the point is that the war wouldn’t have begun if Ukraine had implemented these agreements.

    The US didn’t send soldiers but did send commanders, instructors, and did orchestrate the coup. No need to send soldiers when there’s cheap cannon fodder.

    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy. RSFSR had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).

    A man can change a name and get a new passport, but it doesn’t change his personal history and who he is, it doesn’t cancel his inheritance right and doesn’t cancel his debt. The same applies to countries.

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian.

    You keep either ignoring the facts, or exaggerating and diminishing the significance of facts, in order to make the fit to the narrative. Your entire historical picture is a distorted caricature.

    Here is the census of the cities in the east and south of Ukraine, with the number of Russians followed with the number of Ukrainians, going from the south-west to the east.

    Odessa, 198 233 – 37 925; Nikolaev, 61 023 – 7 780; Kherson, 27 902 – 11 591; Melitopol, 6 630 – 1 366; Berdyansk, 17 502 – 4 115; Mariupol, 19 670 – 3 125; Yeketerinoslav, 47 140 – 17 787; Kharkov, 109 914 – 45 092.

    From this it’s obvious who founded, built and populated these cities. On top of that, Kiev was and therefore is a Russian city as well, 134 278 – 55 064.

    You on the other hand are bringing up the rural population that migrated from the neighboring areas to work in the fields, who were given pieces of land in order to attract them. You on that account are calling the entire region Ukrainian.

    The same can be said about the South Africa, where the Europeans had founded and built the cities and then were outnumbered with peasant population, and disempowered on account that there were more Negroes in the neighboring areas.

    These peasants are incapable of building and managing a state, or even a province, on their own and are insignificant, being nothing but a cheap labor manpower. Those who are in the cities are the people who matter, the peasants are not.

    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.

    You keep confusing fantasies with realities. A sovereign ruler is a supreme ruler, a monarch. He was recognized as a governor of a Polish province.

    We have talked about that before, let’s not go back to what has been done. You lost that argument.

    And a kitchen isn’t a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household.

    Of course a kitchen isn’t a room, at least in Europe. A living room and bedrooms are counted as rooms; a kitchen, a hall, a storage room, etc. are not counted as rooms.

    The same as in the definition of a household dependent children are not counted as householders, but the people who share expenditures are counted as the householders.

    A person who can reason and count, unlike those who remember information and think it makes them intelligent, would have noticed that with such a definition the number 1.8 for the room per person is correct and otherwise it isn’t.

    A person who can reason and count would have understand, that a number of two people in the household, on average, points out that children are not counted, otherwise that would mean that on average people have no children.

    An ape can’t reason, an ape can’t count. An ape in a suit is not a human.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories.

    The Germans lost and the treaties were cancelled. Treaties are papers, a failure is a failure. Learn to tell fantasies from realities.

    Have a good night.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did. Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms."

    Forced or not doesn’t matter, the point is that the war wouldn’t have begun if Ukraine had implemented these agreements.
     
    Similar logic; "I wouldn't have shot you if you had given me your wallet. After I showed you my gun you said you would give me the wallet but then you didn't. It's your fault. "

    It's the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    "You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy. RSFSR had never owned those territories (other than Crimea)."

    A man can change a name and get a new passport, but it doesn’t change his personal history and who he is, it doesn’t cancel his inheritance right and doesn’t cancel his debt. The same applies to countries.
     
    Soviet Russia did not merely change its passport and its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein's monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity. It is an insult to Romanov Russia, to equate the Soviet monstrosity and its ugly 1990s evolution to it.

    If you are going to evoke defunct and killed entities, you might as well go back to Galicia who controlled parts of the Black Sea before Russians got there in the 18th century:

    https://i.imgur.com/O9Z7mfg.png

    "Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian."

    Here is the census of the cities in the east and south of Ukraine, with the number of Russians followed with the number of Ukrainians, going from the south-west to the east.
     
    You conveniently cherry-pick only the city populations.

    The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian. So Kherson Governorate had 2.7 million people, of whom 55% were Ukrainian-speaking (census went by language not ethnicity, so if one includes Russian-speaking Ukrainians the Ukrainian population may have been even larger). So about 200,000 Russians in the city of Odessa gave that city a Russian majority, within a Ukrainian-majority province.

    From this it’s obvious who founded, built and populated these cities. On top of that, Kiev was and therefore is a Russian city as well, 134 278 – 55 064.
     
    In the governate of Kiev (population: 3.5 million) where Russians were 6% of the population, the small administrative center of Kiev (population: 248,000) had a Russian-speaking majority (previously it had been a Polish-speaking majority). So?

    You on the other hand are bringing up the rural population that migrated from the neighboring areas to work in the fields
     
    They are no worse than the people who migrated to the cities. And there were many more of them.

    You on that account are calling the entire region Ukrainian.
     
    I simply state the fact that it was majority Ukrainian.

    The same can be said about the South Africa, where the Europeans had founded and built the cities
     
    You can stick to Europe and recall the Irish in Ireland, Czechs in Bohemia, Slovaks in Slovakia, Finns, and Balts. At some point all of these peoples had foreigners dominating their urban populations.

    These peasants are incapable of building and managing a state, or even a province, on their own
     
    Peasants were led by gentry, in the case of Ukraine these would be people like Vyshnevetsky, Khmelnytsky, Mazepa, Sahaidachny, etc. Then Petliura, Hrushevsky, Skoropasky, etc. There was always someone who wasn't a peasant.

    Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.

    "Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648."

    You keep confusing fantasies with realities. A sovereign ruler is a supreme ruler, a monarch. He was recognized as a governor of a Polish province.
     
    A Vilnius panegyric in Khmelnytsky's honor (1650–1) asserted: ‘While in Poland it is King Jan II Casimir Vasa, in Rus’ it is Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky.’

    Khmelnytsky claimed the divine right to rule over Cossacks as early as 29 July 1648, when in a letter to a Muscovite voivode he titled himself ‘Bohdan Khmelnytsky, by Divine grace hetman with the Zaporozhian Host.’ This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents. Foreigners addressing Khmelnytsky titled him ‘Illustrissimus Princeps’ or ‘Dux.’ Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    "The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories."

    The Germans lost and the treaties were cancelled.
     
    Sure. You weren't smart enough to keep track of the discussion or to remember the point of the Germans though.

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift. They forced the Soviets to recognize that those lands belonged to the Ukrainian state.


    The same as in the definition of a household dependent children are not counted as householders
     
    We were discussing members of a household. Not "householders."

    It's uncanny how every defender of the Soviet Union just has to be dishonest in some way. BTW by definition a householder is only someone who owns or pays for the house. So non-working housewives aren't counted as householders either. Typically each household only has one householder:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/householder

    a person who occupies a house or tenement alone or as the head of a household

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/householder

    the person who owns or is in charge of a house

    Definition of a household:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/household

    "those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household

    "A household consists of one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share meals. It may also consist of a single family or another group of people"

    https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/

    A person who can reason and count would have understand, that a number of two people in the household, on average, points out that children are not counted, otherwise that would mean that on average people have no children.
     
    Well, if on average people have 1.5 children than if one includes many households with single people, divorced people, and people whose children have grown up and left home one gets an average household size of 2.0

    On the other hand, if children and housewives are not counted than the combination of single people, one-income households, and working couples would achieve an average somewhere between 1 and 2. There are probably not enough Mormon fundamentalists with multiple wives in Germany, or young students sharing apartments, to bring the average to two.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  841. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.
     
    Not addressing you in particular but the thread at large.

    While Dmitry is an authority on many things, such as sneakers and unboxing videos and stalking the offspring of influential Russians on Instagram, Russian nationalism is not one of those topics. And Bashibuzuk is a émigré with weird pan-Slavist paganist views which are marginal even amongst marginals, who decided to make his permanent home in a country that is acutely at odds with his purported larp ideology.

    The vast majority of ethnic Russian nationalists are banally pro-Russian, viewing Russians Belorussians and Ukrainians as one people, and support the war to regather the Russian lands.

    Hit list of "right-wingers" on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/

    Basically the only "prominent" Russian nationalist of note on the anti-war part of the list is White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi Demushkin. The rest are frankly mostly libertarians and include bizarre choices like Sobchak presumably to pad it out.

    On the pro-war list, to be brutally liquidated in the event of a NATO occupation government in Russia: Strelkov, Malofeev, Kholmogorv, Bastrakov and all the Chernaya Sotnya people, all the Sputnik and Pogrom people, all the NatsBols, yours truly.

    Anyhow, not that I really care what the people here think beyond dropping in to point this out, I prioritize more productive things these days, such as making money to send it to Russian volunteers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    When are you going to write an article, as regards the hypothetical, of when Russia fails in their invasion of Ukraine?

    You might want to pretend, or really actually think, that it is unlikely, but contingency planning is the mark of sober maturity.

    Whence to does Russian nationalism go after humiliation in Ukraine?

    You don’t want to be the bag carriers for this tragedy. Nor miss the opportunity that the Bolsheviks took, of turning national humiliation to your advantage. Russia can rise again, just not on its current course.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I don't see the point of wasting my time on such hypotheticals, because it's extremely unlikely to happen (as I said from the beginning), but in the event that it does, Russian nationalism is going into the dustbin of history, as is Russia as well, and good riddance at that, because losing to a fake and gay country that has <10% of your GDP to boot makes you faker and gayer by orders of magnitude.

    Konstantin Krylov would have agreed:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1dWDTXEAgOVXd.jpg

    If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.

    As regards myself, I will simply become a pure hedonist and will transfer over my loyalty to the CPC to the extent I am mentally ill enough to retain any interest in politics.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Philip Owen

  842. @Ron Unz
    @AnonfromTN


    I am not sure covid was a success as a bioweapon. After all, it hit the country that deployed it the hardest.
     
    Sure, it obviously ended up being a total disaster for the US (and our NATO allies). But the problem wasn't the initial deployment, just that our totally incompetent government ignored the virus once it began leaking back here, and our disorganized political/social system prevented strong control measures from being taken.

    Under my hypothesis, a major contributing factor was that the Covid release had been a rogue operation, so that neither Trump nor most of his top officials were aware of the dangers until it was too late.

    Replies: @216, @Triteleia Laxa, @Here Be Dragon

    Excuse me for interrupting, but why can’t we post videos from Telegram?

  843. A123 says: • Website
    @haha
    @A123

    A123, you have put forward an interesting perspective. However, it is difficult to assign agency to a militarily irrelevant, raw-material deprived, acutely energy-short Europe. Yes, you are right, the EU elites are a bunch of evil ..... (fill in the blanks) but these poor buggers are stupid beyond all limits and are treated as vassals by the US. Remember, the US bugging of German Chancellor's office? Consequences? None. Remember, Biden declared openly that Nordstream II was not going to be allowed to happen. What happened thereafter? The US started the Ukrainian operation and Germany promptly scuttled back into line. Doesn't look like the Euro clowns are in the driver's seat though, of course, how they wish they were. Of course, they sometimes also delude themselves and pretend that they are steering world affairs.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    it is difficult to assign agency to a militarily irrelevant, raw-material deprived, acutely energy-short Europe.

    They had enough agency to wage a Color Revolution in America. It took the Blue Coup to place the illegitimate Not-The-President Biden in power. That was authoritarian Europe’s idea to suppress Populism at home and abroad.

    Remember, Biden declared openly that Nordstream II was not going to be allowed to happen.

    The White House occupant’s regime would have had the opposite view as a default:
    — MegaCorporation Globalists for it
    #NeverTrump acolytes for it, because Trump opposed NS2

    • • Pipelines for THEE, but not for US! • •

    Not-The-President Biden must have been directed to this “policy pronouncement” by powerful European puppeteers. It is not hard to link this back to its source. The German Green Party wanted Not-The-President Biden to declare NS2 dead. Ultimately, they killed it as part of the Traffic Light coalition.

    Doesn’t look like the Euro clowns are in the driver’s seat though, of course, how they wish they were. Of course, they sometimes also delude themselves and pretend that they are steering world affairs.

    Europe has much more control than the current, illicit U.S. administration headed by a mental vegetable. Look at how explicitly he his controlled.

      

    The problem is more that different parts of Europe want different things. Even Germany and France have conflicting views. However, it is self evident that America is taking orders, not giving them.

    PEACE 😇

  844. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.
     
    Not addressing you in particular but the thread at large.

    While Dmitry is an authority on many things, such as sneakers and unboxing videos and stalking the offspring of influential Russians on Instagram, Russian nationalism is not one of those topics. And Bashibuzuk is a émigré with weird pan-Slavist paganist views which are marginal even amongst marginals, who decided to make his permanent home in a country that is acutely at odds with his purported larp ideology.

    The vast majority of ethnic Russian nationalists are banally pro-Russian, viewing Russians Belorussians and Ukrainians as one people, and support the war to regather the Russian lands.

    Hit list of "right-wingers" on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/

    Basically the only "prominent" Russian nationalist of note on the anti-war part of the list is White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi Demushkin. The rest are frankly mostly libertarians and include bizarre choices like Sobchak presumably to pad it out.

    On the pro-war list, to be brutally liquidated in the event of a NATO occupation government in Russia: Strelkov, Malofeev, Kholmogorv, Bastrakov and all the Chernaya Sotnya people, all the Sputnik and Pogrom people, all the NatsBols, yours truly.

    Anyhow, not that I really care what the people here think beyond dropping in to point this out, I prioritize more productive things these days, such as making money to send it to Russian volunteers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    You could at least offer an opinion on the stability of the apparent bitcoin floor @ 20K!

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    I did, it's not going to hold IMO.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    It isn't stable. It is going down. Stop measuring the stability of financial assets in days.

  845. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    When are you going to write an article, as regards the hypothetical, of when Russia fails in their invasion of Ukraine?

    You might want to pretend, or really actually think, that it is unlikely, but contingency planning is the mark of sober maturity.

    Whence to does Russian nationalism go after humiliation in Ukraine?

    You don't want to be the bag carriers for this tragedy. Nor miss the opportunity that the Bolsheviks took, of turning national humiliation to your advantage. Russia can rise again, just not on its current course.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t see the point of wasting my time on such hypotheticals, because it’s extremely unlikely to happen (as I said from the beginning), but in the event that it does, Russian nationalism is going into the dustbin of history, as is Russia as well, and good riddance at that, because losing to a fake and gay country that has <10% of your GDP to boot makes you faker and gayer by orders of magnitude.

    Konstantin Krylov would have agreed:

    If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.

    As regards myself, I will simply become a pure hedonist and will transfer over my loyalty to the CPC to the extent I am mentally ill enough to retain any interest in politics.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    ....If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.
     
    I have looked at the contingency planning, as Aether suggests, and there is a scenario where Russia loses. It would result from a morale collapse - too many victims, too hard fighting, losing a sense of why. The scenario has less than 10-15% chance - almost everything would have to go Kiev's way, plus a few de-facto miracles. But morale is always iffy in wars: you have it today, gone tomorrow.

    In the basic military equation Russia has about 10 to 1 advantage in weapons, it is in their backyard, they have enough local support, and in numbers roughly 150 million against maybe 35 million left. West can shrink that weapons advantage to 7 to 1, or 5 to 1 - it still would be more than enough. Westerners are not coming to fight, so Ukies will simply run out of trained manpower. Unless Poland intervenes, then it would be a different war.

    The best hope for Kiev is a morale collapse in Russia, that's why their endless lying, weeping, propaganda etc... We see it here too: people are alternating between bravado and a demand for pity. Neither one works in wars like this one.

    But I suggest you do the hedonism anyway, why wait? You can call it an early celebration...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No worries.

    Ukraine cannot win, and the European stage managers are becoming distracted: (1)


    This is How Putin’s Strategic Patience May Pay Off in Ukraine

    To paraphrase the BBC journalist Quentin Sommerville; if you still think Ukraine is winning the war ‘then you have not been paying attention’. Over recent weeks, the brilliant Ukrainian success in defeating the Russians to the north of Kyiv has been replaced by gradual and brutal Russian progress in the Donbas. This is a reversion to the traditional Russian playbook from World War Two. No other country has a record of tolerating such levels of mass casualties whilst enduring and inflicting extreme suffering. Russia intends to take the Donbas village by village and town by town using artillery in a war of attrition which Ukraine cannot possibly match.

    Meanwhile, the West is already demonstrating the lack of “strategic patience” on display last August in Afghanistan. Where once the leading news channels had senior presenters reporting on Kyiv rooftops, Ukraine news has already dropped below the related concerns about food and energy prices, not to mention celebrity trials
     
    Baring the end of democracy in America, MAGA will gain control of the House and thus Appropriations. They will spend much less on Ukraine to fund domestic priorities, such as border security.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thecipherbrief.com/this-is-how-putins-strategic-patience-may-pay-off-in-ukraine

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russian nationalism is a result of defeat in the Cold War. It will just intensify in the case of a full defeat as Russia will not be materially broken up. Self delusion will still be possible. "We didn't really try". Hence a reason for the vagueness about war aims.

    Replies: @Sean

  846. @Coconuts
    @songbird

    There is already a study of Lord Steve's cinematic oeuvre called 'Seagalology', a biography would be a good companion for that work. They could make the biopic by distilling down the essential parts of the biography, highlighting the background behind some of his greatest roles and portrayals; Nico, Gino, Jonathan Cold, Elijah Kane, Mr. Alexander etc.

    I do wonder with Lord Steve to what extent life imitated art, or maybe the other way around?

    I watched a fairly recent Russian detective drama where the hero was a champion of the theories of Cesare Lombroso, which he had completely perfected, so he could always identify the criminal via study of their facial features and traits. This was quite based when you think about it, I was thinking at the time, someone should pitch this concept to the BBC.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

  847. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You could at least offer an opinion on the stability of the apparent bitcoin floor @ 20K!

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Triteleia Laxa

    I did, it’s not going to hold IMO.

  848. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You could at least offer an opinion on the stability of the apparent bitcoin floor @ 20K!

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Triteleia Laxa

    It isn’t stable. It is going down. Stop measuring the stability of financial assets in days.

  849. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Reagan succeeded. As did Kaiser Wilhelm. So too did Palmerston, Meiji Japan, the Mujahadeen and even Azerbaijan.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Succeeded in what? I just checked and Russia is still there with all the resources.

    Kaiser ended his days as a sad exile in Netherlands. I have no idea who “Palmerston” was, was he another British wanker building empires around the world?

    Japan was nuked, it doesn’t get much worse than that. Last weekend Japan sent a guy who looked like a Yokohama postal inspector to the G7; he never even moved, not once. They are probably still belly-aching over the Kurils and scared they could be nuked again. And Reagan, what exactly did he win if his progeny is now facing the same?

    What are the odds that Zelko or Scholz would be added to your list?

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    I know the current Russian trajectory is a loser course because people like you support them. You humiliate yourself with every comment. But at least it makes me laugh!

  850. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Succeeded in what? I just checked and Russia is still there with all the resources.

    Kaiser ended his days as a sad exile in Netherlands. I have no idea who "Palmerston" was, was he another British wanker building empires around the world?

    Japan was nuked, it doesn't get much worse than that. Last weekend Japan sent a guy who looked like a Yokohama postal inspector to the G7; he never even moved, not once. They are probably still belly-aching over the Kurils and scared they could be nuked again. And Reagan, what exactly did he win if his progeny is now facing the same?

    What are the odds that Zelko or Scholz would be added to your list?

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I know the current Russian trajectory is a loser course because people like you support them. You humiliate yourself with every comment. But at least it makes me laugh!

    • Troll: Here Be Dragon
  851. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I don't see the point of wasting my time on such hypotheticals, because it's extremely unlikely to happen (as I said from the beginning), but in the event that it does, Russian nationalism is going into the dustbin of history, as is Russia as well, and good riddance at that, because losing to a fake and gay country that has <10% of your GDP to boot makes you faker and gayer by orders of magnitude.

    Konstantin Krylov would have agreed:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1dWDTXEAgOVXd.jpg

    If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.

    As regards myself, I will simply become a pure hedonist and will transfer over my loyalty to the CPC to the extent I am mentally ill enough to retain any interest in politics.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Philip Owen

    ….If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.

    I have looked at the contingency planning, as Aether suggests, and there is a scenario where Russia loses. It would result from a morale collapse – too many victims, too hard fighting, losing a sense of why. The scenario has less than 10-15% chance – almost everything would have to go Kiev’s way, plus a few de-facto miracles. But morale is always iffy in wars: you have it today, gone tomorrow.

    In the basic military equation Russia has about 10 to 1 advantage in weapons, it is in their backyard, they have enough local support, and in numbers roughly 150 million against maybe 35 million left. West can shrink that weapons advantage to 7 to 1, or 5 to 1 – it still would be more than enough. Westerners are not coming to fight, so Ukies will simply run out of trained manpower. Unless Poland intervenes, then it would be a different war.

    The best hope for Kiev is a morale collapse in Russia, that’s why their endless lying, weeping, propaganda etc… We see it here too: people are alternating between bravado and a demand for pity. Neither one works in wars like this one.

    But I suggest you do the hedonism anyway, why wait? You can call it an early celebration…

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Thats not contingency planning. That's compulsive mental masturbation to try to relieve your extreme anxiety.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev's own admissions. (Incidentally, this is most tragic for Ukrainians themselves, a successful Russian blitzkrieg would have resulted in much fewer Ukrainian deaths. As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia; considering their respective populations, that is not sustainable for Ukraine, though as I also said, the adoption of totalitarian methods on Ukraine's part can theoretically prolong the conflict beyond a year into several years).

    So yes there can still be some kind of morale collapse or internal coup in Russia theoretically but there's about 25x the number of secret policemen in Russia now as there were in the Okhranka in 1917, plus the actual privations of the war are non-existent on the home front. So hard to see how that can happen.

    Replies: @Sean, @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @AP

  852. A123 says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I don't see the point of wasting my time on such hypotheticals, because it's extremely unlikely to happen (as I said from the beginning), but in the event that it does, Russian nationalism is going into the dustbin of history, as is Russia as well, and good riddance at that, because losing to a fake and gay country that has <10% of your GDP to boot makes you faker and gayer by orders of magnitude.

    Konstantin Krylov would have agreed:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1dWDTXEAgOVXd.jpg

    If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.

    As regards myself, I will simply become a pure hedonist and will transfer over my loyalty to the CPC to the extent I am mentally ill enough to retain any interest in politics.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Philip Owen

    No worries.

    Ukraine cannot win, and the European stage managers are becoming distracted: (1)

    This is How Putin’s Strategic Patience May Pay Off in Ukraine

    To paraphrase the BBC journalist Quentin Sommerville; if you still think Ukraine is winning the war ‘then you have not been paying attention’. Over recent weeks, the brilliant Ukrainian success in defeating the Russians to the north of Kyiv has been replaced by gradual and brutal Russian progress in the Donbas. This is a reversion to the traditional Russian playbook from World War Two. No other country has a record of tolerating such levels of mass casualties whilst enduring and inflicting extreme suffering. Russia intends to take the Donbas village by village and town by town using artillery in a war of attrition which Ukraine cannot possibly match.

    Meanwhile, the West is already demonstrating the lack of “strategic patience” on display last August in Afghanistan. Where once the leading news channels had senior presenters reporting on Kyiv rooftops, Ukraine news has already dropped below the related concerns about food and energy prices, not to mention celebrity trials

    Baring the end of democracy in America, MAGA will gain control of the House and thus Appropriations. They will spend much less on Ukraine to fund domestic priorities, such as border security.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thecipherbrief.com/this-is-how-putins-strategic-patience-may-pay-off-in-ukraine

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    If cowardly MAGA enthusiasts like you hide from debate and shield themselves from criticism by a no show, then the movement will fizzle out like its predecessor the Tea Party. The Ukrainian military has the full loyalty and support of the population (many kitchens are operating in Ukraine where civilians are cooking good nutritious Ukrainian food that is being transported to the front lines daily) and they, unlike you show up to work every day ready to fight for their country.

  853. @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    ....If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.
     
    I have looked at the contingency planning, as Aether suggests, and there is a scenario where Russia loses. It would result from a morale collapse - too many victims, too hard fighting, losing a sense of why. The scenario has less than 10-15% chance - almost everything would have to go Kiev's way, plus a few de-facto miracles. But morale is always iffy in wars: you have it today, gone tomorrow.

    In the basic military equation Russia has about 10 to 1 advantage in weapons, it is in their backyard, they have enough local support, and in numbers roughly 150 million against maybe 35 million left. West can shrink that weapons advantage to 7 to 1, or 5 to 1 - it still would be more than enough. Westerners are not coming to fight, so Ukies will simply run out of trained manpower. Unless Poland intervenes, then it would be a different war.

    The best hope for Kiev is a morale collapse in Russia, that's why their endless lying, weeping, propaganda etc... We see it here too: people are alternating between bravado and a demand for pity. Neither one works in wars like this one.

    But I suggest you do the hedonism anyway, why wait? You can call it an early celebration...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Anatoly Karlin

    Thats not contingency planning. That’s compulsive mental masturbation to try to relieve your extreme anxiety.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Haha, good one, Laxa baby...you are improving.

    I don't have anxiety because I don't give a sh..t, you should try it. I am also very moderate, the word 'extreme' doesn't fit. But at least you don't think any more that I am a mental case about to jump off a bridge, or - God forbid - join the fight in the east. I don't fight, it is a high-risk, low-reward activity.

    Now, do you disagree with what I and AK wrote? Or are you folding?

  854. @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin


    ....If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.
     
    I have looked at the contingency planning, as Aether suggests, and there is a scenario where Russia loses. It would result from a morale collapse - too many victims, too hard fighting, losing a sense of why. The scenario has less than 10-15% chance - almost everything would have to go Kiev's way, plus a few de-facto miracles. But morale is always iffy in wars: you have it today, gone tomorrow.

    In the basic military equation Russia has about 10 to 1 advantage in weapons, it is in their backyard, they have enough local support, and in numbers roughly 150 million against maybe 35 million left. West can shrink that weapons advantage to 7 to 1, or 5 to 1 - it still would be more than enough. Westerners are not coming to fight, so Ukies will simply run out of trained manpower. Unless Poland intervenes, then it would be a different war.

    The best hope for Kiev is a morale collapse in Russia, that's why their endless lying, weeping, propaganda etc... We see it here too: people are alternating between bravado and a demand for pity. Neither one works in wars like this one.

    But I suggest you do the hedonism anyway, why wait? You can call it an early celebration...

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev’s own admissions. (Incidentally, this is most tragic for Ukrainians themselves, a successful Russian blitzkrieg would have resulted in much fewer Ukrainian deaths. As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia; considering their respective populations, that is not sustainable for Ukraine, though as I also said, the adoption of totalitarian methods on Ukraine’s part can theoretically prolong the conflict beyond a year into several years).

    So yes there can still be some kind of morale collapse or internal coup in Russia theoretically but there’s about 25x the number of secret policemen in Russia now as there were in the Okhranka in 1917, plus the actual privations of the war are non-existent on the home front. So hard to see how that can happen.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russia would have to lose in Ukraine for a revolution against Putin. Revolutions come when wars are being lost, or the leader is failing to assert the county's interests effectively against rival states. Putin was likely scared that to do nothing about Ukraine would cause dissatisfaction with his leadership.

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It is highly likely to be about equal, at best for the Russians, otherwise they would advance more than 1/3 kilometres a day.

    , @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin

    One in three, or one in four events happen all the time. One in ten almost never. I also think the Western over-load on propaganda has taken away any chance that the Russian morale will collapse. It is just too much, lying and hatred, the overdone pontificating about "aggression" by people who have been aggressing at will for the last 20 years.

    A much smarter approach by the West at the beginning would had been to go soft: acknowledge this and that, speak softly, restrain the bloody talk, keep on meeting, confuse Russia with a pretend internal division. That would make a collapse of the Russian morale much more likely. But with this idiotic overload of hatred it is not going to happen, people close ranks, Russians are like that. Others would too.

    If a blitzkrieg had succeeded and Kiev would give up, the resulting victory would be very shallow and unsustainable. It is the hard grind of a war that makes the eventual victory last. Here again, the West completely miscalculated - as if they are trying to secretly assist in Russia trying to implement the worst Western nightmares. Maybe that is the only way they saw out of the cul-de-sac they got themselves into in Ukraine after 2014.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev’s own admissions
     
    Agreed.

    But keep in mind that Kiev's statements are designed to elicit more and more help from the West.

    As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia;
     
    Are you sure that Russian casualties are that low? And can the current ratio be maintained beyond Donbas and as more and better weapons keep coming online for Ukraine?

    Unless Russia orders full mobilization it doesn't bring its population advantage to the table and therefore doesn't have a manpower advantage over Ukraine.
  855. @Callsign Pidor
    https://i.ibb.co/MDPF8Ht/fail.jpg

    Replies: @nickels, @Philip Owen

    Also, Russian car production is 20% of what it was before the invasion even though sanctions are not expected to bite hard until September. The sophisticated machine tools used in complex production are monitored from Germany, Italy and Sweden. Maintenance will be impossible. John Deere has already switched off GPS in occupied areas also for harvesters stolen from Melitopol and moved to Chechnya. Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don’t know exactly about GE engines.

    It is not clear whether Russia was ever sincere about Minsk 2. Minsk 2 was a total imposition on Ukraine dictated by Lavrov. It was never meant to be implemented. Was that Lavrov being a pompous and triumphalist imperialist (very likely) or a mistake? If it was a mistake, this war was avoidable by negotiation to allow Ukraine into the EU but not into NATO. Personally, I think Russia/Putin’s supporters have been totally insincere about peace since at least Febuary 2004 when the FSB took over the government.

    And yes, this conflict is extremely useful to the US. That said, the BRI is nothing much to worry about. The Spice Route has been in position for 500 years. It still serves its purpose. It dispaced the original Silk Road. Sea is always going to be cheaper than a land route. The BRI gives the world some additional capacity. India, the coming power, will still be on the Spice Route.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    You really do sound like a dim Welshman.

    Do you think that these disabling anti theft devices cant be removed or reprogrammed?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Philip Owen


    Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don’t know exactly about GE engines.
     
    March 10th: Russia says China refused to supply aircraft parts

    June 17th: China ‘ready’ to deliver aircraft parts to Russia: Chinese Ambassador

    ---

    The situation is still serious, but the trend is looking better for Russia.

    Putin has high ambitions in indigenous high-technology production. But Russia doesn't have the human capital base to do it, especially in chips (Russia is only at 90 nm and not getting closer. China is at 14 nm and will get their own EUV machines this decade, which will allow them to get to sub-7 nm).

    Its weakness in sophisticated machine tools is also evident. When they moved away from US tools they instead just increased imports of European equivalents rather than make their own. Will they now start using Chinese tools? That would go against Putin's wishes of self-sufficiency but Russia likely has no other choice.

    To what extent China can (or wants) to help is of crucial importance for Moscow going forward. It will be very reliant on Beijing, whether Putin likes it or not.

    Replies: @Sean

  856. @AP
    @Sean


    You are not seriously suggesting that the 2014 Donbass uprising was just the Russian army sneaking in undercover?
     
    Of course not. But without Russian involvement the uprising would not have lasted more than a couple of months, if that. Warlords from Russia such as Girkin and “Motorola” played a critical role, as did Chechen war volunteers, arms shipments, etc. The first PM of Donetsk and one of his two vice prime ministers were Russians (one of whom had set up the Transnistria republic). This was not exclusively, but heavily, a Russian project.

    “Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.”

    Which made just ignoring Russia a mistake
     
    In 2014-2015 Ukraine barely had a military and wouldn’t have lasted long against Russia. In 2022 it’s military has been sufficient to fight Russia off for 4 months and counting, probably to an eventual standstill. Ukraine probably assumed Russia knew this too, and therefore would not have invaded.

    Zelensky was elected on a platform of of putting that agreement into practice
     
    Yes, but not on a platform of unconditional surrender.

    Replies: @Sean

    But without Russian involvement the uprising would not have lasted more than a couple of months, if that. Warlords from Russia such as Girkin and “Motorola” played a critical role, as did Chechen war volunteers, arms shipments, etc. The first PM of Donetsk and one of his two vice prime ministers were Russians (one of whom had set up the Transnistria republic). This was not exclusively, but heavily, a Russian project.

    That is true, and if Russia had not intervened and was still operating according to Gorby’s principle of the common good of mankind rather than geopolitics from Russian self perceived interests, then the full on attack with the aim of conquering Ukraine would have been a huge surprise to everyone. But Russia was not operating with a maximization of global utility as it prime directive, and everyone knew it because Putin had announced he thought Russia was being taken advantage of. The only thing to do was accept some loss of control in part of the Donbass (and forget about Crimea) so Ukraine could move on. The Ukrainian electorate voted Zelensky in to do just those things.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-49903996 2 October 2019
    Hundreds of Ukrainians have protested after President Volodymyr Zelensky said he had backed an agreement that would bring elections to territory controlled by Russian-backed separatists.

    Mr Zelensky came to power promising to end the five-year conflict in the east which has left 13,000 people dead.

    Any vote would be under international standards and would not be held “under the barrel of a gun”, he said.

    Nationalists rallied in Kiev with banners demanding “no capitulation

    See, not even the Azov veterans said it was unconditional. Anyway, Poroshenko, who supported Azov veterans that demonstrated noisily outside Zelensky’s presidential office, had stood on a platform of continuing with the conflict and he was defeated by Zelensky and his Servant of the People party. The politial party representing the Azov veterans did not even achieve the most minimal electoral support. Ignoring shots fired in the air to dissuade them, members Azov broke through police cordon and went to the front line where the got into combat positions.

    “If the President and the Government do not fulfill their direct duty to protect every inch of the Ukrainian land, then we, the volunteer veterans, will do it again,” Biletsky promised at an organized meeting in Zolotoy. He said that he and his team will impede the disengagement of forces in the Donbass and, in the event of withdrawal of the Army troops, they will occupy their positions at the front.

    Poroshenko and Azov are the ones Zelensky surrendered to. He not only did not do what he told the people who voted him in he would do as leader, after a desultory attempt, he reversed the policy and did the complete opposite. In June 2021 NATO reaffirmed the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance, and according to Russian POWs the middle of last year was when they began to train for an occupation of Ukraine.

    In November- December 2021 Ukraine initiated combat use of the Javelin and the Turkish drones , and ignored the Russian build up, even telling Biden to shut up because the Russians were bluffing. In the subsequent war , Azov actually did surrender along with its leader. The agreement Poroshenko made and renaged on and then Zenesky half accepted then backed out of on would have kept most of the Donbass in Ukrainian hands and all of it, even the separatist occupied area, de jure part of Ukraine. the coast would have remained Ukraine as would the south and Maripol ECT. Was it fair? Not at all! However given that Ukraine was not a member of Nato and thus vulnerable to a Russian invasion, the arrangement was in the circumstances a reasonably good one for Ukraine. Which is why its people voted for it in making Zelensky leader.

    Unfortunately he was too preoccupied with domestic political consideration to pay proper attention to the danger of provoking a full on invasion. That was a massive mistake by him, although an understandable one given his meteoric rise into a position he lacked experience for. There was also blame attaching to Biden, Blinken and those who thought that Trump had been a doormat for Putin over Ukraine. The idea that Ukraine when push came to shove could deter or successfully fight the Russian steamroller was insane. The whole world is worse off now.

  857. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    And here I thought that the Russians first invaded Ukraine back in February
     
    FYI, Ukrainian puppet regime started the war in 2014. In February began the last stage: armed response.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    No, it seems that you and you fellow kremlin stooge A123 have it ass backwards. According to Wikipedia, in 2014 it was Russian inspired and led forces that fired the first salvos and that were behind the first insurrection within Ukraine’s borders. In 2022, it’s clear that Russian forces crossed Ukraine’s borders and fomented the war that we’re still seeing right before our very eyes. You know Professor, I cut you a little bit of slack for trying to present an ant-Ukrainian position, seeing that your own mother experienced some damage from the Ukrainian side, but kremlinstoogeA123 who “does not have a horse in this race” is a despicable lout for his pro-Putler positions. Maybe Putler has some incriminating photos of him enjoying himself with some Moscow call girls, or something similar?

    kremlinstoogeA123 is so out of touch with American public opinion, one wonders how and why he considers himself as some sort of a political pundit? For the first time in recent US history, Americans of both major political persuasions agree about something:

    By the numbers: Around 76% of the people who took the poll believe that the U.S. should provide more humanitarian support to Ukraine, and 67% support increasing economic sanctions on Russia.

    55% believe the U.S. should provide more military support to Ukraine.

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/poll-americans-biden-ukraine-russia-invasion

    He’s so out of touch with reality, that his new incarnation as Putler’s shoe shine boy seems to fit his new persona to a tee.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack


    "According to Wikipedia "
     
    Wikipedia is completely useless for anything that's at all politically contentious, as this certainly is.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mr. Hack

    Honestly, A123 really is "hasbara". I roll my eyes most times such an accusation is made, but every single one of his comments really do fit neatly into Israeli propaganda points.

    And Israel is very happy with Russia acquiring large swathes of European territory by force, kicking most of the people out, and getting away with it, because it will be the example that gives them tremendous leeway in their own little conflict.

    I don't think Israel has been actively trying to take over the West Bank and I sincerely believe that they feel that they have no other option because of terrorism, but I bet they would very much like the possibility of "regathering the Jewish lands".

    It would also certainly help their negotiating position with the Palestinians if the Palestinians saw this as possible, which, despite their protestations, they obviously don't, otherwise they would be desperate for peace before it happened.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    , @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    According to Wikipedia
     
    Stopped reading at that point. According to the fox, hens are responsible for a break-in into the chicken coop.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

  858. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Beckow

    Thats not contingency planning. That's compulsive mental masturbation to try to relieve your extreme anxiety.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Haha, good one, Laxa baby…you are improving.

    I don’t have anxiety because I don’t give a sh..t, you should try it. I am also very moderate, the word ‘extreme‘ doesn’t fit. But at least you don’t think any more that I am a mental case about to jump off a bridge, or – God forbid – join the fight in the east. I don’t fight, it is a high-risk, low-reward activity.

    Now, do you disagree with what I and AK wrote? Or are you folding?

  859. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev's own admissions. (Incidentally, this is most tragic for Ukrainians themselves, a successful Russian blitzkrieg would have resulted in much fewer Ukrainian deaths. As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia; considering their respective populations, that is not sustainable for Ukraine, though as I also said, the adoption of totalitarian methods on Ukraine's part can theoretically prolong the conflict beyond a year into several years).

    So yes there can still be some kind of morale collapse or internal coup in Russia theoretically but there's about 25x the number of secret policemen in Russia now as there were in the Okhranka in 1917, plus the actual privations of the war are non-existent on the home front. So hard to see how that can happen.

    Replies: @Sean, @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @AP

    Russia would have to lose in Ukraine for a revolution against Putin. Revolutions come when wars are being lost, or the leader is failing to assert the county’s interests effectively against rival states. Putin was likely scared that to do nothing about Ukraine would cause dissatisfaction with his leadership.

  860. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I don't see the point of wasting my time on such hypotheticals, because it's extremely unlikely to happen (as I said from the beginning), but in the event that it does, Russian nationalism is going into the dustbin of history, as is Russia as well, and good riddance at that, because losing to a fake and gay country that has <10% of your GDP to boot makes you faker and gayer by orders of magnitude.

    Konstantin Krylov would have agreed:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FN1dWDTXEAgOVXd.jpg

    If one capitulates before Ukraine, one can to anything at all to him.

    As regards myself, I will simply become a pure hedonist and will transfer over my loyalty to the CPC to the extent I am mentally ill enough to retain any interest in politics.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123, @Philip Owen

    Russian nationalism is a result of defeat in the Cold War. It will just intensify in the case of a full defeat as Russia will not be materially broken up. Self delusion will still be possible. “We didn’t really try”. Hence a reason for the vagueness about war aims.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Philip Owen

    Gorby ended the Cold War, and then he inadvertently caused the break up of the USSR. Gorby said the class war was finished and the USSR would have the welfare of all mankind as its goal, which led to the Soviet system ceasing to make sense and the break up.

  861. @AP
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    They’re like 10% of the population there. The local Europeans aren’t dependent on outside forces to keep them from taking control.

    Replies: @Lurker

    The local Europeans aren’t dependent on outside forces to keep them from taking control.

    Not the event of some global collapse but right now – they’re under the pressure of the same outside forces as the rest of us.

  862. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/vm7MmjPm/Hero-of-Ukraine.png


    US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did. Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.
     
    Forced or not doesn't matter, the point is that the war wouldn't have begun if Ukraine had implemented these agreements.

    The US didn’t send soldiers but did send commanders, instructors, and did orchestrate the coup. No need to send soldiers when there's cheap cannon fodder.

    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy. RSFSR had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).
     
    A man can change a name and get a new passport, but it doesn't change his personal history and who he is, it doesn't cancel his inheritance right and doesn't cancel his debt. The same applies to countries.

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian.
     
    You keep either ignoring the facts, or exaggerating and diminishing the significance of facts, in order to make the fit to the narrative. Your entire historical picture is a distorted caricature.

    Here is the census of the cities in the east and south of Ukraine, with the number of Russians followed with the number of Ukrainians, going from the south-west to the east.

    Odessa, 198 233 – 37 925; Nikolaev, 61 023 – 7 780; Kherson, 27 902 – 11 591; Melitopol, 6 630 – 1 366; Berdyansk, 17 502 – 4 115; Mariupol, 19 670 – 3 125; Yeketerinoslav, 47 140 – 17 787; Kharkov, 109 914 – 45 092.

    From this it's obvious who founded, built and populated these cities. On top of that, Kiev was and therefore is a Russian city as well, 134 278 – 55 064.

    You on the other hand are bringing up the rural population that migrated from the neighboring areas to work in the fields, who were given pieces of land in order to attract them. You on that account are calling the entire region Ukrainian.

    The same can be said about the South Africa, where the Europeans had founded and built the cities and then were outnumbered with peasant population, and disempowered on account that there were more Negroes in the neighboring areas.

    These peasants are incapable of building and managing a state, or even a province, on their own and are insignificant, being nothing but a cheap labor manpower. Those who are in the cities are the people who matter, the peasants are not.

    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.
     
    You keep confusing fantasies with realities. A sovereign ruler is a supreme ruler, a monarch. He was recognized as a governor of a Polish province.

    We have talked about that before, let's not go back to what has been done. You lost that argument.

    And a kitchen isn’t a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household.
     
    Of course a kitchen isn’t a room, at least in Europe. A living room and bedrooms are counted as rooms; a kitchen, a hall, a storage room, etc. are not counted as rooms.

    The same as in the definition of a household dependent children are not counted as householders, but the people who share expenditures are counted as the householders.

    A person who can reason and count, unlike those who remember information and think it makes them intelligent, would have noticed that with such a definition the number 1.8 for the room per person is correct and otherwise it isn't.

    A person who can reason and count would have understand, that a number of two people in the household, on average, points out that children are not counted, otherwise that would mean that on average people have no children.

    An ape can't reason, an ape can't count. An ape in a suit is not a human.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories.
     
    The Germans lost and the treaties were cancelled. Treaties are papers, a failure is a failure. Learn to tell fantasies from realities.

    Have a good night.

    Replies: @AP

    “US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did. Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.”

    Forced or not doesn’t matter, the point is that the war wouldn’t have begun if Ukraine had implemented these agreements.

    Similar logic; “I wouldn’t have shot you if you had given me your wallet. After I showed you my gun you said you would give me the wallet but then you didn’t. It’s your fault. ”

    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    “You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy. RSFSR had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).”

    A man can change a name and get a new passport, but it doesn’t change his personal history and who he is, it doesn’t cancel his inheritance right and doesn’t cancel his debt. The same applies to countries.

    Soviet Russia did not merely change its passport and its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity. It is an insult to Romanov Russia, to equate the Soviet monstrosity and its ugly 1990s evolution to it.

    If you are going to evoke defunct and killed entities, you might as well go back to Galicia who controlled parts of the Black Sea before Russians got there in the 18th century:

    “Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian.”

    Here is the census of the cities in the east and south of Ukraine, with the number of Russians followed with the number of Ukrainians, going from the south-west to the east.

    You conveniently cherry-pick only the city populations.

    The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian. So Kherson Governorate had 2.7 million people, of whom 55% were Ukrainian-speaking (census went by language not ethnicity, so if one includes Russian-speaking Ukrainians the Ukrainian population may have been even larger). So about 200,000 Russians in the city of Odessa gave that city a Russian majority, within a Ukrainian-majority province.

    From this it’s obvious who founded, built and populated these cities. On top of that, Kiev was and therefore is a Russian city as well, 134 278 – 55 064.

    In the governate of Kiev (population: 3.5 million) where Russians were 6% of the population, the small administrative center of Kiev (population: 248,000) had a Russian-speaking majority (previously it had been a Polish-speaking majority). So?

    You on the other hand are bringing up the rural population that migrated from the neighboring areas to work in the fields

    They are no worse than the people who migrated to the cities. And there were many more of them.

    You on that account are calling the entire region Ukrainian.

    I simply state the fact that it was majority Ukrainian.

    The same can be said about the South Africa, where the Europeans had founded and built the cities

    You can stick to Europe and recall the Irish in Ireland, Czechs in Bohemia, Slovaks in Slovakia, Finns, and Balts. At some point all of these peoples had foreigners dominating their urban populations.

    These peasants are incapable of building and managing a state, or even a province, on their own

    Peasants were led by gentry, in the case of Ukraine these would be people like Vyshnevetsky, Khmelnytsky, Mazepa, Sahaidachny, etc. Then Petliura, Hrushevsky, Skoropasky, etc. There was always someone who wasn’t a peasant.

    Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.

    “Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.”

    You keep confusing fantasies with realities. A sovereign ruler is a supreme ruler, a monarch. He was recognized as a governor of a Polish province.

    A Vilnius panegyric in Khmelnytsky’s honor (1650–1) asserted: ‘While in Poland it is King Jan II Casimir Vasa, in Rus’ it is Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky.’

    Khmelnytsky claimed the divine right to rule over Cossacks as early as 29 July 1648, when in a letter to a Muscovite voivode he titled himself ‘Bohdan Khmelnytsky, by Divine grace hetman with the Zaporozhian Host.’ This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents. Foreigners addressing Khmelnytsky titled him ‘Illustrissimus Princeps’ or ‘Dux.’ Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    “The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories.”

    The Germans lost and the treaties were cancelled.

    Sure. You weren’t smart enough to keep track of the discussion or to remember the point of the Germans though.

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift. They forced the Soviets to recognize that those lands belonged to the Ukrainian state.

    [MORE]

    The same as in the definition of a household dependent children are not counted as householders

    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    It’s uncanny how every defender of the Soviet Union just has to be dishonest in some way. BTW by definition a householder is only someone who owns or pays for the house. So non-working housewives aren’t counted as householders either. Typically each household only has one householder:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/householder

    a person who occupies a house or tenement alone or as the head of a household

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/householder

    the person who owns or is in charge of a house

    Definition of a household:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/household

    “those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household

    “A household consists of one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share meals. It may also consist of a single family or another group of people”

    https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/

    A person who can reason and count would have understand, that a number of two people in the household, on average, points out that children are not counted, otherwise that would mean that on average people have no children.

    Well, if on average people have 1.5 children than if one includes many households with single people, divorced people, and people whose children have grown up and left home one gets an average household size of 2.0

    On the other hand, if children and housewives are not counted than the combination of single people, one-income households, and working couples would achieve an average somewhere between 1 and 2. There are probably not enough Mormon fundamentalists with multiple wives in Germany, or young students sharing apartments, to bring the average to two.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.
     
    No, it's a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced. Do not pretend to disagree.

    Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity.
     
    No, it was the same state with a different political order. You should have read Gilyarovsky instead of Dostoevsky.

    Moscow and Muscovites
    https://russianlife.com/shop/books/moscow-and-muscovites/

    You would have had a lot better understanding of Russia. You should at least give it a chance, my best recommendation is this book below, but it's in Russian.

    https://viewer.rsl.ru/ru/rsl01005421094?page=1&rotate=0&theme=white

    He is on that painting, Cossacks of Saporog Are Drafting a Manifesto, the big laughing man in a read coat, on the right – it's him.

    https://i.postimg.cc/ThMxKsPP/Cossacks-of-Saporog-Are-Drafting-a-Manifesto.jpg


    The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian.
     
    And it doesn't matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn't been there before them.

    They are no worse than the people who migrated to the cities. And there were many more of them.
     
    The people who migrated to the cities were the people who liberated the land. The land belongs to them.

    You can stick to Europe and recall the Czechs in Bohemia, Slovaks in Slovakia. At some point all of these peoples had foreigners dominating their urban populations.
     
    No, because in that case those people were indigenous to the land and the Ukrainian peasants were not.

    Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.
     
    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.
     
    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant. The Hetmanate was a province of Poland first, and then a province of Russia. There was nothing in between.

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.
     
    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war. Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.

    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”
     
    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn't right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That's not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.

    Replies: @AP

  863. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    You sound worried, grandpa. Not having kids may come back to haunt you.
     
    I'm not too worried, as I've tried to show you in the past (it's hard to penetrate a hardhead though) retiree benefits are a sacred cow in the US. Anybody that tries to cutback is comitting political suicide. Do you really think that your kids are going to take care of you in your retirement years? I wouldn't think so based on your propensity for having such a surly personality. But then again, if you live in that Beckow castle and have managed to squirrel away a lot, they might be nice to you. Or more lokely if they know your feelings o this topic they might just plan for your own early demise (by then it will become "early", trust me). :-)

    I'm still not drawing Medicare and paid a lot less for college tuition that students pay for it now.

    No, the clown outfit, better fits you than me. I've never been big on socialism or communism like you have! Aren't you the one that's really propagating the idea of taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots? That way most everybody will end up poor, like in Slovakia or Russia? :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

    …I’m not too worried…benefits are a sacred cow

    Thou protest too much, we see that deep inside you are quite worried. Everything is sacred, until it is not. A trim here and there and soon you will be pining for those kids, too late.

    I am not at all surly, but I am very direct – it saves time. Some people confuse the two.

    …idea of taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots? That way most everybody will end up poor…

    Economy is an “exchange of stuff” – it is literally taking and giving in an endless cycle. That’s what it is – there is no wealth without it, so your silly objection to this cycle makes no sense. What are you an Ayn Rand aficionado?

    When they take stuff from you it will be to give it to someone else – as you took the cheap subsidized education and will soon take the free Medicare (you know, that nothing is free). Also, I am a lot of things but not poor, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Thou protest too much, we see that deep inside you are quite worried. Everything is sacred, until it is not. A trim here and there and soon you will be pining for those kids, too late.
     
    Nonsense. Your projecting your own preconceived notions probably based on your own values etc onto me. I'm not you, so try to expand your understanding of other people to include their differences as well as their similarities.

    Replies: @Beckow

  864. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev's own admissions. (Incidentally, this is most tragic for Ukrainians themselves, a successful Russian blitzkrieg would have resulted in much fewer Ukrainian deaths. As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia; considering their respective populations, that is not sustainable for Ukraine, though as I also said, the adoption of totalitarian methods on Ukraine's part can theoretically prolong the conflict beyond a year into several years).

    So yes there can still be some kind of morale collapse or internal coup in Russia theoretically but there's about 25x the number of secret policemen in Russia now as there were in the Okhranka in 1917, plus the actual privations of the war are non-existent on the home front. So hard to see how that can happen.

    Replies: @Sean, @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @AP

    It is highly likely to be about equal, at best for the Russians, otherwise they would advance more than 1/3 kilometres a day.

  865. @S
    @songbird


    That leaves amoebas, and probably some number of worms...(there are many others, such as the TV show, Monsters Inside of Me), which was not for people with weak stomachs.
     
    Tapeworms, which are disgusting, were apparently around often enough in the United States in the 1920's, 30's, and 40's to be a regular gag on the Three Stooges shorts.

    I doubt most people in the US today (happily :-) ) would even know what Moe was talking about.


    https://youtu.be/Ldn3b8rK9h4


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taenia_solium

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird, @Philip Owen

    In a rural area, we learnt about tape worms in school biology inthe 1960s. There was interspecies contamination on the farms. Liver fluke too. One of the reasons I don’t have pets. Some lunatic girls kissed working sheepdogs on the nose. Stopping on-farm slaughter of the family pig helped a lot apparently.

    • Thanks: S
  866. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Dmitry

    I'm trying to remember what the Soviet multi-band radios were called which were sold in the UK. Zenith?

    I have a LOMO LC-A camera somewhere at home, and TAL telescopes were pretty popular with UK amateur astronomers - very stable mount IIRC.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomo_LC-A

    I've just remembered I had a cheap Rigonda mono record player, a mono version of this.

    https://www.radios-tv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/rigonda2.jpg

    Replies: @LatW, @Lurker

    A friend has some Soviet-made binoculars, big, hefty. His uncle bought them somewhere on military service 1970s-80s. I used to regard them simply as an interesting conversation piece. However, one day, I actually looked through them (at the Moon) and found them to be the best I’d ever used.

  867. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev's own admissions. (Incidentally, this is most tragic for Ukrainians themselves, a successful Russian blitzkrieg would have resulted in much fewer Ukrainian deaths. As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia; considering their respective populations, that is not sustainable for Ukraine, though as I also said, the adoption of totalitarian methods on Ukraine's part can theoretically prolong the conflict beyond a year into several years).

    So yes there can still be some kind of morale collapse or internal coup in Russia theoretically but there's about 25x the number of secret policemen in Russia now as there were in the Okhranka in 1917, plus the actual privations of the war are non-existent on the home front. So hard to see how that can happen.

    Replies: @Sean, @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @AP

    One in three, or one in four events happen all the time. One in ten almost never. I also think the Western over-load on propaganda has taken away any chance that the Russian morale will collapse. It is just too much, lying and hatred, the overdone pontificating about “aggression” by people who have been aggressing at will for the last 20 years.

    A much smarter approach by the West at the beginning would had been to go soft: acknowledge this and that, speak softly, restrain the bloody talk, keep on meeting, confuse Russia with a pretend internal division. That would make a collapse of the Russian morale much more likely. But with this idiotic overload of hatred it is not going to happen, people close ranks, Russians are like that. Others would too.

    If a blitzkrieg had succeeded and Kiev would give up, the resulting victory would be very shallow and unsustainable. It is the hard grind of a war that makes the eventual victory last. Here again, the West completely miscalculated – as if they are trying to secretly assist in Russia trying to implement the worst Western nightmares. Maybe that is the only way they saw out of the cul-de-sac they got themselves into in Ukraine after 2014.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    I remember that during the Cold War, there was a lot of stress in the "West" on "Russian dissidents". To the point that an Irish Republican cartoon in the 1970s had a bedraggled IRA inmate thinking, "Gosh, I wish I had a TV! I could do with a documentary on the sorrowful plight of Soviet dissidents."

    However, this time around all Russians are bad, even ones like Tchaikovsky who died well over a century ago.

  868. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @Beckow

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev's own admissions. (Incidentally, this is most tragic for Ukrainians themselves, a successful Russian blitzkrieg would have resulted in much fewer Ukrainian deaths. As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia; considering their respective populations, that is not sustainable for Ukraine, though as I also said, the adoption of totalitarian methods on Ukraine's part can theoretically prolong the conflict beyond a year into several years).

    So yes there can still be some kind of morale collapse or internal coup in Russia theoretically but there's about 25x the number of secret policemen in Russia now as there were in the Okhranka in 1917, plus the actual privations of the war are non-existent on the home front. So hard to see how that can happen.

    Replies: @Sean, @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @AP

    Yes, I think it has well less than 10% chances as well. My basic observations from as early as March that this was devolving into an attritional war in which Russia was getting much the better K/D ratios is appearing to get borne out, now directly by Kiev’s own admissions

    Agreed.

    But keep in mind that Kiev’s statements are designed to elicit more and more help from the West.

    As it is, the Ukrainian manpower pool is getting whittled down at a rate in the low hundreds per day vs. the several dozens for Russia;

    Are you sure that Russian casualties are that low? And can the current ratio be maintained beyond Donbas and as more and better weapons keep coming online for Ukraine?

    Unless Russia orders full mobilization it doesn’t bring its population advantage to the table and therefore doesn’t have a manpower advantage over Ukraine.

  869. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP

    Actually, you put together a fairly likely scenario. One issue is that the 'medium term' could last a long time, even years. What you left out is what would happen to Nato ambitions in Ukraine. They may not take kindly to become irrelevant, with none or minimal access to the Black sea, no bases, etc...they can keep the war going longer.

    A few possible problems:
    - Russia may not be able to stop - once a military gets going, the logic of 'assuring security' requires ever more buffers, each buffer getting its own buffer, etc...to draw a clean line will be a challenge.
    - Europe cannot lift sanctions if Russia is perceived as a winner:"we cannot reward aggression". That could be a big problem.
    - Rump Ukraine (or small Ukraine as you called it) would be more homogeneous, but also weaker with fewer resources - less interesting for business investment.
    - The "revenge" issues could explode making any settlement impossible. All sides are now grabbing potential 'war criminals', foreign fighters, hostages of all kinds - the craving for retribution is high in Kiev, Donbas, everywhere. Once the first retribution is done, it will escalate everything - revenge will be the cry of the day.


    We could be in a situation when both sides are exhausted but the external factors - and the issues above - will prevent a deal. Historically a highly emotional crisis with people seeking justice in all directions, with anger and pride, lasts about 3 years. This could go on for a while.

    Replies: @AP

    – Rump Ukraine (or small Ukraine as you called it) would be more homogeneous, but also weaker with fewer resources – less interesting for business investment.

    It would still have large shale gas deposits in the Carpathians (there are some gas wells there too), They have recently discovered large lithium deposits in Ukraine, many are in the center-west:

    Some of Ukraine’s rich agricultural lands extend to western Ukraine:

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    Russia is still right there leaming over the fence in Ukraine's future. Difficult to see how Ukraine is going to ever be able to live normally. They are going to have to spend a massive amount on defence, and who is going to make a risky investment there to enable exploitation of resources? The global land connectivity projects will bypass Ukraine now. I suspect remittances from those working abroad will become important.

    Replies: @AP

  870. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    Russia’s involvement in Donbas began in 2014. And Ukraine would not have attacked Donbas had Russia annexed it.

    And the US had orchestrated the coup, and Russia would not have attacked had Ukraine implemented the Minsk agreement.
     
    US didn't send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did.

    Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms.

    "Your implication that these are ethnic Russian areas is dishonest, as usual. These are Russian language areas."

    These are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine without a referendum. The Russian territories, where the Russian people lived. And for this reason people still are speaking Russian there.
     
    You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy under the Romanovs. Instead it is a continuation of the RSFSR, which had never owned those territories (other than Crimea).

    Russians were never more than 30% of that territory's population. And "still speaking Russian" is a lie - majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian until after the Soviet takeover. Check the 1897 census. For example, Kherson governate, which included both Kherson and Odessa regions:

    http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd.php?reg=1642

    54% Little Russian (Ukrainian) by language, only 21% Great Russian by language

    One could make a map of English speaking parts of Ireland, claim that English live there, and demand English annexation of 90% of Ireland, if one wanted to sink to your level.

    No because these territories on the map are the Russian territories, that were transferred to Ukraine. And most people who live there are ethnic Russian people
     
    Sharikov lies again.

    Odessa oblast:

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%9E%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8

    63% Ukrainian, 21% Russian

    In 1970 under Soviets it was 55% Ukrainian, 24% Russian.

    Odessa city once had a Russian majority but the region overall was always majority Ukrainian.

    This is even more true of Kherson, Dnipropetrovsk, etc.

    Only Crimea and the parts of Donbas that left Ukraine in 2014 had Russian majorities.

    Your Soviet kin occupied these and other areas but with the exception of Crimea and parts of Donbas, these territories were from the UPR, Soviets had been forced to recognize them as Ukrainian.

    We started talking when you called me an ignorant person, and began trying to prove it that Ukraine existed, as a state, with the capital in Kiev, in the 17th century.
     
    Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648.

    An attempt of independence isn’t independence, if it failed. The UPR existed for less than two years
     
    And a kitchen isn't a room. And a child living in the house is not a member of the household. Lol.

    The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories. The Bolsheviks never gave Ukraine those territories.

    When the Ukrainian SSR was created it was based on the territory of the UPR.

    Replies: @Sean, @Here Be Dragon, @Philip Owen

    Russia’s extra diplomatic involvement began with a intermittent blockade of Ukrainian exports to Russia in August 2013. This provoked the end of discussions with the EU and thus the Maidan demonstrations. Surkov then hijacked the Maidan with extreme violence to justify Malofeev’s employees Girkin and Borodai with hangers on invading the Donbas. Surkov then funded dissident SBU elements to join them.

  871. @Philip Owen
    @Callsign Pidor

    Also, Russian car production is 20% of what it was before the invasion even though sanctions are not expected to bite hard until September. The sophisticated machine tools used in complex production are monitored from Germany, Italy and Sweden. Maintenance will be impossible. John Deere has already switched off GPS in occupied areas also for harvesters stolen from Melitopol and moved to Chechnya. Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don't know exactly about GE engines.

    It is not clear whether Russia was ever sincere about Minsk 2. Minsk 2 was a total imposition on Ukraine dictated by Lavrov. It was never meant to be implemented. Was that Lavrov being a pompous and triumphalist imperialist (very likely) or a mistake? If it was a mistake, this war was avoidable by negotiation to allow Ukraine into the EU but not into NATO. Personally, I think Russia/Putin's supporters have been totally insincere about peace since at least Febuary 2004 when the FSB took over the government.

    And yes, this conflict is extremely useful to the US. That said, the BRI is nothing much to worry about. The Spice Route has been in position for 500 years. It still serves its purpose. It dispaced the original Silk Road. Sea is always going to be cheaper than a land route. The BRI gives the world some additional capacity. India, the coming power, will still be on the Spice Route.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend

    You really do sound like a dim Welshman.

    Do you think that these disabling anti theft devices cant be removed or reprogrammed?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Wokechoke

    It takes time, money and personnel Russian doesn't have. The US farming community and add on suppliers (who have had resources for years) haven't broken the systems yet.

  872. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend


    Bashibuzuk is ethnically Russian, so his preference for a purely Russian nationalist state is understandable. Karlin’s a mixed-race Caucasoid, which is why he’s more comfortable in a multi-racial imperialist Russia. Both of their choices are understandable given their backgrounds.
     
    Not addressing you in particular but the thread at large.

    While Dmitry is an authority on many things, such as sneakers and unboxing videos and stalking the offspring of influential Russians on Instagram, Russian nationalism is not one of those topics. And Bashibuzuk is a émigré with weird pan-Slavist paganist views which are marginal even amongst marginals, who decided to make his permanent home in a country that is acutely at odds with his purported larp ideology.

    The vast majority of ethnic Russian nationalists are banally pro-Russian, viewing Russians Belorussians and Ukrainians as one people, and support the war to regather the Russian lands.

    Hit list of "right-wingers" on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/

    Basically the only "prominent" Russian nationalist of note on the anti-war part of the list is White Nationalist/Neo-Nazi Demushkin. The rest are frankly mostly libertarians and include bizarre choices like Sobchak presumably to pad it out.

    On the pro-war list, to be brutally liquidated in the event of a NATO occupation government in Russia: Strelkov, Malofeev, Kholmogorv, Bastrakov and all the Chernaya Sotnya people, all the Sputnik and Pogrom people, all the NatsBols, yours truly.

    Anyhow, not that I really care what the people here think beyond dropping in to point this out, I prioritize more productive things these days, such as making money to send it to Russian volunteers.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Emil Nikola Richard, @Mikel

    Hit list of “right-wingers” on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/

    Quite a few good looking women on the anti-war camp versus basically none on the pro-war one. Possibly not a coincidence.

    Let’s hope apolitical Russians note the difference. Successful mass movements typically attract the young and good looking and with them the rest of society follows.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Mikel


    Let’s hope apolitical Russians note the difference. Successful mass movements typically attract the young and good looking and with them the rest of society follows.
     
    That consideration would have been valid if it weren’t for the experience of the 1990-s. Only a hopeless moron steps on the same garden rake twice. The people of some post-Soviet states might be that stupid, but Russians revolted against traitorous Yeltsin regime as early as 1993.
    , @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    I have to say that I clicked on that link and the really amusing thing that I noticed is that our benevolent founder, AK himself, is on the list in what I assume is the pro-war column of personalities.
    The funny thing is that his is the only blurb in English and it is an explanation of the Ukraine/ Russia conflict using Harry Friggin' Potter as an analogy!

    Was this something AK actually said, and who compiled this list? I can't read Russian so I don't get the context, but this seemed really hilarious.

    Replies: @Mikel

  873. @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russian nationalism is a result of defeat in the Cold War. It will just intensify in the case of a full defeat as Russia will not be materially broken up. Self delusion will still be possible. "We didn't really try". Hence a reason for the vagueness about war aims.

    Replies: @Sean

    Gorby ended the Cold War, and then he inadvertently caused the break up of the USSR. Gorby said the class war was finished and the USSR would have the welfare of all mankind as its goal, which led to the Soviet system ceasing to make sense and the break up.

  874. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Nalivat (to pour) is a RUSSIAN word, with common Slavic root.
     
    It's a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning "to pour" or "rain".

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    It’s a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning “to pour” or “rain”.

    LOL – Can you stop repeatedly trying to give me phantom, pointless fake lecture on my own language you Baltic trashbucket sack of faeces? WTF is this “Balto-Slav” BS you idiot? There is no such thing linguistically ( certainly no such thing I or the rest of the sane world are remotely interested in hearing about)Just say Germanic or Latin or whatever you idiot that may be the common root for where it may or may not have been incorporated into Slavic languages…..don’t throw random sh*t about useless Baltic scum having any say in the word – especially with the differences between the 3 baltic states making any unified “baltic” classifications pointless you cretin. Lithuanian – I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared – the other 2 is nowhere near.

    If a tramp like you is claiming its jointly shared with east-slavic language…….that must mean it’s just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.

    Just because a worthless POS like you has no culture or heritage to be proud of – why do scumbag Baltic troll like you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and “high culture” when trying to simulate sucking ukronazi d*ck?

    Its abnormal. Ukronazi scum and gruzians – yes I can perfectly accept them doing it despite their evil actions as they never stopped living in much of the post-soviet cultural space and language space -WTF are trash like you doing though?

    Idiot.

    Seriously, for the last time – how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Gerard1234

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn1ofPOM634

    , @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Seriously, for the last time – how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?
     
    You know, some people are genuinely interested in how this will turn out. But Ukrainian Psychological Operations do sound interesting (not sure this is a real thing, it sounds like something that should be part of the Ukrainian SBU), should look into that.


    that must mean it’s just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.
     
    No, these are linguistic forms that were in place a long time before there were even separate nations. They form basic lexicon. See the video with Dr Balanovskiy below.

    Lithuanian – I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared – the other 2 is nowhere near.
     
    I highly doubt you can decipher that much, but probably some. You can't really perceive the commonalities just from listening, you have to look deeper.

    you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and “high culture”
     
    Ever heard of something called time management? With the right approach one can explore other cultures besides one's own. And no, it's not runet, but Ukrainian and pro-Ukrainian Russian web.

    Starts at 23:36 "In the heart of Europe..."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLb7K3yPpYg

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  875. @AP
    @Beckow


    – Rump Ukraine (or small Ukraine as you called it) would be more homogeneous, but also weaker with fewer resources – less interesting for business investment.
     
    It would still have large shale gas deposits in the Carpathians (there are some gas wells there too), They have recently discovered large lithium deposits in Ukraine, many are in the center-west:

    https://www.renewablematter.eu/assets/Uploads/Mappa-giacimenti-di-litio-in-Ucraina2.jpg

    Some of Ukraine's rich agricultural lands extend to western Ukraine:

    https://ipad.fas.usda.gov/rssiws/al/crop_production_maps/Ukraine/Ukraine_wheat.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

    Russia is still right there leaming over the fence in Ukraine’s future. Difficult to see how Ukraine is going to ever be able to live normally. They are going to have to spend a massive amount on defence, and who is going to make a risky investment there to enable exploitation of resources? The global land connectivity projects will bypass Ukraine now. I suspect remittances from those working abroad will become important.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sean

    South Korea managed to live normally and presumably got investments.

    Replies: @Sean

  876. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    It’s a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning “to pour” or “rain”.

     

    LOL - Can you stop repeatedly trying to give me phantom, pointless fake lecture on my own language you Baltic trashbucket sack of faeces? WTF is this "Balto-Slav" BS you idiot? There is no such thing linguistically ( certainly no such thing I or the rest of the sane world are remotely interested in hearing about)Just say Germanic or Latin or whatever you idiot that may be the common root for where it may or may not have been incorporated into Slavic languages.....don't throw random sh*t about useless Baltic scum having any say in the word - especially with the differences between the 3 baltic states making any unified "baltic" classifications pointless you cretin. Lithuanian - I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared - the other 2 is nowhere near.

    If a tramp like you is claiming its jointly shared with east-slavic language.......that must mean it's just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.

    Just because a worthless POS like you has no culture or heritage to be proud of - why do scumbag Baltic troll like you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and "high culture" when trying to simulate sucking ukronazi d*ck?

    Its abnormal. Ukronazi scum and gruzians - yes I can perfectly accept them doing it despite their evil actions as they never stopped living in much of the post-soviet cultural space and language space -WTF are trash like you doing though?

    Idiot.

    Seriously, for the last time - how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?

    Replies: @sher singh, @LatW

  877. @sher singh
    @Greasy William

    She belongs to us either way.

    Stick to ur sister,

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991617372605665361/abram-and-sarai.jpg



    Sarai (שָׂרַי‎ Sāray) is a biblical matriarch and prophetess, a major figure in Abrahamic religions. While different Abrahamic faiths portray her differently, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all depict her character similarly, as that of a pious woman, renowned for her hospitality and beauty, the wife and half-sister[2] of Abraham, and the mother of Isaac.
     

    Replies: @Beckow, @Greasy William

    I like Indian girls. I was a big Sania Mirza fan but my guess is that she has lost her hotness by now. Also, she had an attitude problem and needed a backhand across her pretty face.

    Re Sarah: I don’t know what Sarah was like but my own sister is a stupid bitch. Pharaoh can have her.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Greasy William


    Pharaoh can have her.
     
    You really are the most feminine rat-like race of man.
  878. @Beckow
    @sher singh


    Sarah is a pious woman...the wife and half-sister of Abraham
     
    A strange form of piety. But I suppose guys with a herd of cattle were rare, they still are. Maybe shacking up with the pharaoh wasn't only about the free stuff...

    Replies: @Greasy William

    A strange form of piety

    1. It clearly states in the Torah that marriage between siblings was no prohibited until the Exodus, at which point enough mutations had accumulated the the human genome to make such unions dangerous for the resulting offspring.

    2. I don’t think you want to be trash talking the mother of the Jewish people. Bad karma.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @A123
    @Greasy William

    Sikh stands for Cuck. They let their BJP offer up wives and daughters for impregnation by Paki Muslims. Presumably they cut their penises bloody with ritual weapons of submission & surrender while they watch.

    Sad. But there is nothing any of can do for "Sher Cuck Singh" and his bloody phallus.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Beckow
    @Greasy William


    that marriage between siblings was not prohibited until the Exodus
     
    That had to be a problem, it suggests a lack of observation and even common sense. Karma comes and goes, one lights a few candles and it is back. That's the way miracles work.
  879. 216 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry

    That map reflects a fading delusion. The fact that most of Russian territory isn’t green should ring a bell. While there was (and still is, however reduced) fraction in Russia believing that it is Europe, in reality Russia isn’t. It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt. Europeans who think that this will pass soon should think again. Life is irreversible, and so is history.

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia, same as Indochina or India. Calling Europe a continent can only be explained by delusions of grandeur. These delusions might have had some basis in reality a century or two ago, but now they are clearly anachronistic. Ironically, the EU and UK work harder than anyone to drive whatever remains of Europe into the ground. In the emerging multi-polar world the US will likely remain one of the poles, but Europe won’t.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @216, @Coconuts

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia

    This is an explicit denial of the European rights of self-determination. The status of Europe as a continent is inviolate, and no one is permitted to disagree.

    Asians have zero moral right to colonize Europe, not the least after their constant screaming about the XIX and XX centuries.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @216


    Asians have zero moral right to colonize Europe
     
    Do not worry yourself unnecessarily. Asians have zero desire to colonize Europe. Colonization only makes sense when prospective colony has some assets, which is not the case here. Europe is safe in this regard, it will continue to be colonized by Africans and various Muslims. RIP.
  880. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...I’m not too worried...benefits are a sacred cow
     
    Thou protest too much, we see that deep inside you are quite worried. Everything is sacred, until it is not. A trim here and there and soon you will be pining for those kids, too late.

    I am not at all surly, but I am very direct - it saves time. Some people confuse the two.


    ...idea of taking from the haves and giving it to the have nots? That way most everybody will end up poor...
     
    Economy is an "exchange of stuff" - it is literally taking and giving in an endless cycle. That's what it is - there is no wealth without it, so your silly objection to this cycle makes no sense. What are you an Ayn Rand aficionado?

    When they take stuff from you it will be to give it to someone else - as you took the cheap subsidized education and will soon take the free Medicare (you know, that nothing is free). Also, I am a lot of things but not poor, so you are barking up the wrong tree.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Thou protest too much, we see that deep inside you are quite worried. Everything is sacred, until it is not. A trim here and there and soon you will be pining for those kids, too late.

    Nonsense. Your projecting your own preconceived notions probably based on your own values etc onto me. I’m not you, so try to expand your understanding of other people to include their differences as well as their similarities.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Feedback is a gift. Take it as such and consider other viewpoints or you will get overrun by events in the future. I presented a possible scenario that has nothing to do with my values - if you find it unlikely, that's fine. But the scenario will still be there to haunt you.

    Trends and guarantees are sacred until they are not. A lot of people make a lot of money from people who refuse to even consider it. Sacred is sacred until it is not and nobody can explain what happened - sh..t happens, we may be overdue for a sizable one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  881. @Philip Owen
    @Callsign Pidor

    Also, Russian car production is 20% of what it was before the invasion even though sanctions are not expected to bite hard until September. The sophisticated machine tools used in complex production are monitored from Germany, Italy and Sweden. Maintenance will be impossible. John Deere has already switched off GPS in occupied areas also for harvesters stolen from Melitopol and moved to Chechnya. Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don't know exactly about GE engines.

    It is not clear whether Russia was ever sincere about Minsk 2. Minsk 2 was a total imposition on Ukraine dictated by Lavrov. It was never meant to be implemented. Was that Lavrov being a pompous and triumphalist imperialist (very likely) or a mistake? If it was a mistake, this war was avoidable by negotiation to allow Ukraine into the EU but not into NATO. Personally, I think Russia/Putin's supporters have been totally insincere about peace since at least Febuary 2004 when the FSB took over the government.

    And yes, this conflict is extremely useful to the US. That said, the BRI is nothing much to worry about. The Spice Route has been in position for 500 years. It still serves its purpose. It dispaced the original Silk Road. Sea is always going to be cheaper than a land route. The BRI gives the world some additional capacity. India, the coming power, will still be on the Spice Route.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Thulean Friend

    Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don’t know exactly about GE engines.

    March 10th: Russia says China refused to supply aircraft parts

    June 17th: China ‘ready’ to deliver aircraft parts to Russia: Chinese Ambassador

    The situation is still serious, but the trend is looking better for Russia.

    Putin has high ambitions in indigenous high-technology production. But Russia doesn’t have the human capital base to do it, especially in chips (Russia is only at 90 nm and not getting closer. China is at 14 nm and will get their own EUV machines this decade, which will allow them to get to sub-7 nm).

    Its weakness in sophisticated machine tools is also evident. When they moved away from US tools they instead just increased imports of European equivalents rather than make their own. Will they now start using Chinese tools? That would go against Putin’s wishes of self-sufficiency but Russia likely has no other choice.

    To what extent China can (or wants) to help is of crucial importance for Moscow going forward. It will be very reliant on Beijing, whether Putin likes it or not.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Thulean Friend

    There were demands that gas be supplied to Europe under short term contracts and through Ukraine after the energy crisis. Three months after Nato's June 2021 re affirmation that Ukraine would join Nato there was a meeting on energy policy in which Putin more of less said that Ukraine would cease to be a route for gas to Europe when the contracts to the pipelines use come up in 2024. Thus, Putin had more or less signaled China was going to be the main customer for Russian gas especially the new Artic fields. Russian can incentivize Chinese cooperation by massively reduce the RF's arsenals of tactical nukes which are there in such numbers solely for fighting China. And there is always Vladivostok, where they can get stuff smuggled in from North Korea. Such a mystery where Kim gets his advanced tech for such rapid ICBM development as NK evinced (while Trump was POTUS). The aftermath of the Trump Ukraine imbroglio has left the US facing a sudden effective doubling of the forces it has to oppose and contain.

  882. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika
     
    I thought you had grown up in Estonia, so I was wondering about Estonian products.

    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model "S90"

    It's interesting the company has survived and was selling some speakers with the same 1970s Soviet design language today. The appearance is still the Soviet nostalgia but now with 4-way
    https://rrr.lv/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/s400m.jpg


    nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.
     
    I didn't know about surviving of the Baltic states' hi-fi industry.

    For the "Estonia" pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union. But the most common performance pianos were being imported from Czechoslovakia (Petrof brand). Petrof also managed to survive the transition to capitalism although not really common nowadays.

    Replies: @LatW, @Here Be Dragon

    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model “S90”

    Yes, I think the S90 was a later version. No idea how much they cost. They were very well known back in the 80s and some people are still into that vintage stuff.

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    I didn’t know about surviving of the Baltic states’ hi-fi industry.

    Yes, there is some that survived (such as the Radiotehnika acoustic lab). And there are some new boutique firms.

    The original VEF factory was built in the late 19th century (was originally called Union). It was the biggest electrotechnical factory in the whole Empire. The building is really amazing and it’s been renovated. The original outer wall with a statue of Zeus but with a modern interior (it’s the office for a big Latvian router company), you can see it in this link (if you scroll down you can see the original walls):

    https://archidea.lv/en/portfolio/portfolio/buvlaukumslvpublikacijas/architecture/136/

    The VEF Culture Palace is also renovated and hosts a recording studio:

    For the “Estonia” pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union.

    Yes, they were. Do you play piano?

    No, I didn’t grow up in Estonia, I must’ve mislead you slightly, I meant we used to vacation there a lot.
    I grew up in a nice town on the dunes in LV.

    The Estonian piano factory also has its roots in the late 19th century, they were pretty much wiped out during the wars. The pianos they’re making now are very high quality (sold in the USA).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    S90 was a later
     
    S-90 may be earlier. But those are the large speakers. When you look at S-90, you know "wife/girlfriend acceptance for interior decoration" could have been a problem, especially with Soviet apartment sizes.

    I'm guessing even smaller S-30 was just on the border of what your father was allowed?


    e people are still into that vintage stuff.

     

    Yes and some nice social media groups where people are collecting the Soviet equipment. Just now someone has posted about 1980s Estonian CD players, from the famous factory in Tallin https://vk.com/retrosoundshop

    Although to be honest my hi-fi interest is mainly relating to the newest technologies. But old equipment can be working perfectly. We could build a good hi-fi for Mr Hack's home cinema system for about $200, from such Soviet hi-fi sales, and a lot of it in good condition enough without even needing to use a soldering iron.

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  883. @Gerard1234
    @LatW


    It’s a Balto-Slav root. So it is neither strictly Russian nor Ukrainian, but an original root for all Balto-Slav languages. Lieti (in Latvian and Lithuanian), leītun, enleītun in Old Prussian, лить in Russian & Ukrainian, etc. Meaning “to pour” or “rain”.

     

    LOL - Can you stop repeatedly trying to give me phantom, pointless fake lecture on my own language you Baltic trashbucket sack of faeces? WTF is this "Balto-Slav" BS you idiot? There is no such thing linguistically ( certainly no such thing I or the rest of the sane world are remotely interested in hearing about)Just say Germanic or Latin or whatever you idiot that may be the common root for where it may or may not have been incorporated into Slavic languages.....don't throw random sh*t about useless Baltic scum having any say in the word - especially with the differences between the 3 baltic states making any unified "baltic" classifications pointless you cretin. Lithuanian - I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared - the other 2 is nowhere near.

    If a tramp like you is claiming its jointly shared with east-slavic language.......that must mean it's just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.

    Just because a worthless POS like you has no culture or heritage to be proud of - why do scumbag Baltic troll like you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and "high culture" when trying to simulate sucking ukronazi d*ck?

    Its abnormal. Ukronazi scum and gruzians - yes I can perfectly accept them doing it despite their evil actions as they never stopped living in much of the post-soviet cultural space and language space -WTF are trash like you doing though?

    Idiot.

    Seriously, for the last time - how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?

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    Seriously, for the last time – how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?

    You know, some people are genuinely interested in how this will turn out. But Ukrainian Psychological Operations do sound interesting (not sure this is a real thing, it sounds like something that should be part of the Ukrainian SBU), should look into that.

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    that must mean it’s just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.

    No, these are linguistic forms that were in place a long time before there were even separate nations. They form basic lexicon. See the video with Dr Balanovskiy below.

    Lithuanian – I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared – the other 2 is nowhere near.

    I highly doubt you can decipher that much, but probably some. You can’t really perceive the commonalities just from listening, you have to look deeper.

    you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and “high culture”

    Ever heard of something called time management? With the right approach one can explore other cultures besides one’s own. And no, it’s not runet, but Ukrainian and pro-Ukrainian Russian web.

    Starts at 23:36 “In the heart of Europe…”

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    @LatW


    pro-Ukrainian Russian web
     
    With Runet being 90%+ of Ukrainian web, you can say that Ukroweb is a total subset of Runet you cockroach . Before the evil, fascist authoritarian puppet Kiev regime banned them - VK,Yandex, OK, Russian delivery shop services and Russian banking services were by a BIG majority the most used by ukrops . Now its the western social media and seearch engine , online delivery replaced by Ukrops and the ( very weak by comparison.) Ukrop internet banking services probably using western technology. Although they do seem to watch Russian political shows every day LOL, with Solovyov, Kiselyov and Skabayeva seem to be talked about even more by Ukronazis than by Russians - and certainly before the war were still watching Russian tv entertainment/drama shows more than their own. Of course Russians is close to 100% language used in Ukrop "gaming" culture , its main employment sites use exclusively Russian and the other ones - which makes the retard government sites use of solely Ukrop and English a completely vile act.

    Music promoted or used as "viral" clips as part of "modern Ukraine" is close to 100% Russian performers, LOL - whether its pop, rap in particular or rock. Anything recorded on cooking, extreme stunts, travel, gym work or anything else of "internet culture" is IDENTICAL in style if its a Russian or a Ukrainian doing it you POS - mainly because the Ukrainians directly copy what they see Russians doing on Runet. Olga Buzova - identical, Timati- identical, even this idiot Navalny and the dirty actions leaked of this fool Dzyuba and all these other famous people are identical in scope, where and how they are circulated and used by Ukrops and Russians on Runet.

    Ever heard of something called time management? With the right approach one can explore other cultures besides one’s own. And no, it’s not runet, but Ukrainian and pro-Ukrainian Russian web.
     
    LOL- what a weak argument confirming what an inept, POS culture your own is for you to have this much interest in the Russian one,. Using your time to recycle fake culture sh*t from Ukrops and fake peremoga and immerse yourself in everything else on it is just pathetic. As I say, Ukronazis and Gruzians doing it - fine, Baltics doing it is just embarrassing.

    I highly doubt you can decipher that much, but probably some. You can’t really perceive the commonalities just from listening, you have to look deeper.
     
    Maybe, nothing scientific about my 30% guess - and its certainly not above that.
  884. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    The WAIS doesn’t have science section. PISA doesn’t have logic section.
     
    It includes a few science questions in the Information subtest.

    The PISA is an extensive test of verbal knowledge - the ability to absorb and recall academic information. It is much more thorough than the WAIS when it comes to this specific component of intelligence. But the WAIS includes other components such as logic, pattern recognition, puzzles etc.

    The Ravens is an extensive test of pattern recognition, puzzles, etc. Like the PISA, it is more thorough in this narrow area than is the WAIS.

    "Ethnics Russians performed worse on the PISA than did white Americans, i.e., ethnic Russians are not quite as smart as are white Americans."

    The difference is negligible.
     
    The PISA-derived white American IQ was something like 102, compare to 100.4 for the ethnic Russians. Not big, but not imperceptible.

    "The problem is that in general people are poor because they are not smart, so there is not much of a pool of poor people capable of pursuing a medical or other advanced degree."

    An average person who can finance his studies will get a degree, but an average person who cannot finance it will not. That’s a vicious circle.
     
    Anyone can finance their studies because predatory lenders will be happy to do so. There is a problem with such lenders financing studies for people who are not smart, and who then fail and get stuck with debt for a degree that they were incapable of getting.

    An average person can certainly get a degree in something like Business Administration and work in a cubicle as office plankton, but will not be able to get a degree in medicine, or engineering, pharmacy, etc. Nor pass board examinations in certain fields.

    "Lots of poor smart immigrant kids get loans and pursue higher degrees."

    The statistics show that 44 percent of the Americans get higher education. That is lower than in Russia, where 54 percent do, as well as in Canada.
     
    By that do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees?

    58 percent of the Russians have a master’s degree
     
    1. You are clearly mistaken.

    2. Russian education system isn't parallel to the American one. Russians finish school after the 11th grade and then complete a 5 year degree that combined Bachelor's and Master's. So essentially everybody who completed a post-secondary university education has a Master's degree. And the next degree is a Kandidat degree.

    With that in mind:

    https://i.imgur.com/frDxGzF.png

    Here is a comparison of simply tertiary education:

    https://data.oecd.org/eduatt/adult-education-level.htm

    56.7% Russia, 50% USA, 33.1% Germany

    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education; there is nothing wrong with dignified non-university work such as electrician work, plumbing, technical work, farming, etc. and Germany does a great job with training people for such professions.

    "There are questions on the WAIS pertaining to history or literature that would be different for Germans."

    That doesn’t make a difference. These questions are substituted with a more appropriate equivalent.
     
    But they are not the exact same questions, so they cannot be directly compared. The substitution is such that it corresponds to local rather than non-local norms. That is, questions are selected for the Canadian version that produce a Canadian average score of 100. Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult or obscure relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100 for Canada.

    There are different norms and items for each country that has its own version of the WAIS.

    Perhaps, but for a comparison between countries the same set of norms would have to be set as a standard.
     
    And they can't be on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies I linked to mentioned only using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries). But in doing so you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.

    You are the one who has to realize, that the norms is a set of coefficients, used to bring the average score to the value of 100. The RPM is supposed to have various norms as well, for internal use.
     
    RPM does have different norms for each country. But because the items are identical in all countries and only the norms are different, one can simply score the RPM using another country's norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country. Such as the British IQ.

    But because not only norms but also the items are different in each country for the WAIS, one can't just substitute norms.

    "When you said the Ukrainian peasants hated you and beat you I knew what kind of person you were."

    You are a liar. Never said that and it never happened.
     
    Your words:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-190-russia-ukraine/#comment-5389482

    "Those lads from the villages were a lot tougher than us, urban dudes....And their parents hated our parents....We spoke Russian, as most people in the cities. Their parents spoke Ukrainian. ..We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them."

    My memory was close, being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.

    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. Not only my extended family - once I took a road trip deep into the Galician countryside in Ternopil oblast, where the roads are third world quality. I knocked out a tire in a massive pothole. I don't know how to fix such things, but villagers I had never met came out to help, changed it for me, and everything. Salt of the Earth.

    If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them. And in your case their anger was not misapplied:

    "One of them was a monster, persecuting farmers on behalf of the Soviet regime. What kind of person would marry such a monster?"

    He was an officer. You submit the taxes on time, otherwise an officer will visit. The situation of that time was a transition from serfdom to relative freedom, and he beleived in that. You misunderstand it.
     
    And those Germans working in concentration camps also believed in their work. They sincerely wanted to liberate their people from the victims, in order to make the world a better place.

    I know how the taxes worked, I heard firsthand. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too.
    The government left the peasants alone. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes to an absurdly high amount that no one could pay, then stole/confiscated everyone's land for nonpayment. Russians or Russian-speaking Jews coming into the villages from towns or cities to steal everything the peasants owned and worked for and hoped to pass down to their children.

    "transition from serfdom to relative freedom" - Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine Stolypin's reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. Government didn't intrude in people's lives. Only contact with the government under the tsars was when the tax man came once a year, collected a very modest tax, otherwise the peasants were left alone. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.

    The private ownership of the land was outlawed. A farmer had to accept that. But of course farmers didn’t want to, so the law had to be enforced.
     
    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them. Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers. A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom, etc.).

    For me it’s a luck, that different lineages of different ethnic background were in me, it taught me a lot and helped me learn to see the world at different angles.

    You are incapable of that, the same as most people with a strong feeling of belonging to one particular group.
     
    My ethnicity is the same but my ancestral social backgrounds are different and I move between continents.

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    Not big [the difference is], but not imperceptible.

    The ethnic Russians happen to be on the OECD mean, on average, i.e. 50 percent of the ethnic Russians have an IQ between of 100. The white Americans are two points above the mean, i.e. 50 percent have an IQ of 102.

    This means that 5 percent of the white Americans are 2 points better than ethnic Russians, i.e. one of 20 is 2 points better and that’s rather imperceptible. The intelligence classification is in 10 point steps.

    Do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees? You are clearly mistaken.

    Yes there was a small error. That’s for the bachelor’s degree and above, Russia is on the top of the rating with 54 percent, the US is on 35.

    https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/education-at-a-glance-2016_eag-2016-en#page43

    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education.

    The German system is superior, because most people can do as they prefer, and have a better choice. You can begin the studies for one degree, then change your mind and go for another. You do not risk anything if you fail to finish.

    Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100.

    You continue to amaze me with this complete ineptitude in mathematics.

    The questions are comparable, for example, for the US it can be, “How far is it, from Colorado to Michigan” and for Canada it’s like “How far is it, from Quebec to Yukon” – the same kind of question, but for a correct answer in the US test there are, for example, 0.27 points and in the Canadian test it’s like 0.23, these coefficients is what is called the norms.

    Read those articles, there it was explained how these values are calibrated.

    And [the norms] can’t be [the same] on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies mentioned using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries).

    These items not the same in all the countries are 26 questions in the information section, it doesn’t matter that much.

    The test has four index scores and is composed of 10 subtest sections, i.e. we have 25 percent of the full score for each of the four index scores. The mean is supposed to be set at 100, so the result is calibrated to fit.

    For example the Canadians are scoring higher than the Americans, so the norms have to be changed. Each of the subtest sections is checked and the needed corrections are made, so that each of the four indexes was in sum total 25 percent of the average score, and the average score was 100 points.

    This is done with coefficients, for example if the second index is on average 28 rather than 25 then it has to be reduced. The former is called the raw score, and it has to be scaled.

    28 : 25 = 1.12, so in our case the score for this index should be scaled like X : 1.12, this coefficient is what constitutes the norms. These norms have to be revisited once in a while and recalibrated, because people are getting smarter.

    And of course it’s a little more complicated than that.

    For example, the second index is Verbal Comprehension, there are 92 questions in four subtest groups. There’s not the same number of questions in a group, and the number of points for an answer is not the same for all questions.

    So the score for each question has to be reduced in the right proportion, and in the degree that makes the sum total of the mean go from 28 to 25, and the same should be done with other three indexes so that the full mean score is 100, on average.

    So for example if we have 20 questions in the index that are supposed to give us 25 points on average, and one group of questions is 1 point for each and the other are the difficult ones, so it’s 2 or 3 points for each, and the maximum score for this index is 40.

    There are 5 for 1, and 10 for 2, and 5 for 3.

    Most people in the US answer the first 5 and the next 10, but not the last 5. But the Canadians are smarter, most of them answer to one of the last 5, and that raises the average to 28, and we need it to be 25.

    The solution seems to be to scale each question like in the example above, X : 1.12, but in this case the maximum score for this index will be reduced from 40 to 35, and if we have the same situation with other indexes, and we will, the maximum score for the entire test will be reduced to 140.

    And in this case there will be no Canadians who are smarter than 140, but there will be Americans who are. The average will be the same for both but the maximum will be different. The ranges will be wrong and the classifiation confusing.

    Though the mean has to be brought to 100, the maximum must remain 160.

    So there is a method of measuring the significance of each item, from low to moderate to high, and some other parameters and guidelines and that’s complicated.

    But in doing so [using the same norms on the nonverbal parts] you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.

    Of course not, the Raven’s test is shorter, and the studies in that article were not about the norms, but how the items that were changed, like no changes were made to the non-verbal subtests, but some items on the verbal subtests were adapted for that other language.

    RPM does have different norms. But because the items are identical in all countries, one can score the RPM using another country’s norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country.

    You mean something super Ukrainian here – if that is to find out, what one’s IQ would be in other countries then it’s pointless, if to take the average of one place and find out what the average is in another, it’s pointless.

    Slava Ukaraini.

    The purpose of setting the mean sore at 100 is for convenience, for example with the mean 100 and standard deviation 15 it happens that 50 percent of the people in a given place have the score between 90 and 110.

    Since that’s a half of the population this range is considered of average intelligence. Then there are gradations in ten point steps, like 120-130 is of superior intelligence. The coefficients are needed to preserve the ranges of these categories.

    The range of superior intelligence has to be between 90 and 98 percent, i.e. people with IQ of 120 are those who are more intelligent than 90 percent of the population, and those of 130 are more intelligent than 98 percent.

    Being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.

    No it isn’t what was implied. We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them. There were conflicts, there were fights, there was a lot of violence in the neighborhood.

    Those fellows were a lot ruder, and healthier, and more violent. But that doesn’t mean that we would stand and let them beat us. You can lose a fight, but it doesn’t mean being beaten. You might lose a fight but had to resist.

    A classmate, who was a boxer, fought a peasant dude for half an hour.

    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them.

    No it doesn’t, none of them had experienced evil that was done to them. Most peasants in our area were not poor. Most of them had cars, houses and land. Coming to a town was not in order to avoid something, but for career opportunities and a free apartment.

    Factories were opening, workers were needed, a free apartment was given. The village isn’t going anywhere, so a lot of young people in the 60’s were migrating to cities. A lot of them became cops.

    A few times it happened to me to live in a village a month in summer. Then there were no problems with those people whatsoever. We went fishing every morning, me and the guy who lived nearby. He introduced me to his friends, we communicated well.

    The situation in the town was different and had nothing to do with anything personal, it was a regular Ukrainian peasant culture, one tribe against another, the same as in their villages, where one can’t go to the others’ turf.

    And in your case their anger was not misapplied. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes then stole/confiscated everyone’s land.

    You know that my grandparents met during the war. So then you must understand, that the story of my great grandmother couldn’t happen in the 30’s. She married the man, who was, as an officer, sent to arrest her father on suspicion of him hiding a part of his profit, in order to avoid taxation. That was during the NEP.

    There was nothing criminal in the end, he wasn’t hiding anything and wasn’t arrested. He agreed to the marriage and blessed his daughter. That’s an illustration of the paradoxes of life. He was not a monster.

    Farmers had to pay so called prodnalog during the NEP, it was a kind of progressive taxation, depending on conditions and of a given household. The period that followed wasn’t like the state confiscated everyone’s land.

    The land wasn’t stolen, but private farms were combined into collective farms. That was an experiment, a stupid one, but peasants were peasants, and with the introduction of tractors it looked like a good idea, at the time – industrialization.

    Farmers lost everything.

    Now there are no people who know how to run a farm. This kind of business is not something one can learn in a college, and for this reason there’s no good wine, no good cheese in Russia, etc.

    Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.

    Sounds good, like a song, but in truth not more than 30 percent of peasants owned their own land before the revolution.

    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them.

    Something like that, except for most peasants didn’t own any land, and it’s the poor who are the hardworking people. Farmers didn’t work hard, it ain’t hard running a farm.

    Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers.

    So this is where the hatred of officers comes from.

    One of my grandfathers was a battalion commander during the war, he killed some people. The other served at the headquarters and didn’t kill. The one who was coming to arrest my great-great grandfather didn’t kill.

    A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.

    He was no more a monster than any cop, or an FBI agent, who comes to arrest a person for tax evasion. You are an idiot.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom).

    Those who were sending the farmers to Siberia in the 30’s did something evil, but that great grandfather of mine then lived with my great grandmother in a city, and her father had died.

    On the other hand, tell me more about that commie son of a bitch relative of yours, he was for sure a killer, probably a mass murderer. Tell me how many noble people he had to smoke to get that Stalin’s flat, where you had the best time of your life.

    Have a good one.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "Not big [the difference is], but not imperceptible."

    The ethnic Russians happen to be on the OECD mean, on average, i.e. 50 percent of the ethnic Russians have an IQ between of 100. The white Americans are two points above the mean, i.e. 50 percent have an IQ of 102.

    This means that 5 percent of the white Americans are 2 points better than ethnic Russians, i.e. one of 20 is 2 points better and that’s rather imperceptible. The intelligence classification is in 10 point steps.
     
    So, if the scores of both the white Americans and the Russians are normally distributed, the average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian, the slightly above average white American also has an IQ 2 points higher than the slightly above average Russian, and so on. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.

    In an individual, a 2 point difference is nearly imperceptible. But across a society, it means there are more smart white American than there are Russians. For example, if it takes a PISA-derived IQ of about 141 to have a Ph.D. in physics, .3% of ethnic Russians are capable of it but .5% of white Americans are. Across the entire populations of 140 million people, this means about ~280,000 more of such people among white Americans than among Russians (or course, most will not become physicists, in America a lot of such people will just go into stuff like medicine, or especially finance - but there is a much larger pool of such people available to the society).

    "Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper."

    Sounds good, like a song, but in truth not more than 30 percent of peasants owned their own land before the revolution.
     
    Land ownership in Ukraine was much higher than in Russia (IIRC it was about as high in the Russian Cossack lands of Russia such as along the Don as in Ukraine, but much lower in the rest of Russia). There has been basically no tradition of obshchina in the parts of Ukraine such as the Right Bank (where one of my grandparents was from) and Poltava. It existed in southern Ukraine, but about half the peasants left with their own lands as a result of Stolypin's reforms.

    Peasant holdings were often small (which is why many Ukrainian peasants moved to the Far East where land was cheap - as natural homesteaders they would rather build a new farm than work in some factory nearby), but it was still the peasants' own land. This is why forced collectivization was much less popular, and its implementation more brutal, in Ukraine than in Russia.

    Farmers didn’t work hard, it ain’t hard running a farm.
     
    This sounds like Bolshevik propaganda. The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields. They could also generate some passive revenue, by for example investing in a windmill that their neighbors can use for a fee. This benefits everyone - the owner of the windmill, and the neighbors who no longer have to spend two hours going to another village to get their grain milled.

    Generally, a farmer who worked hard and didn't spend his windfalls in the tavern but saved it and reinvested in his farm could become richer than one who didn't work quite as hard, who partied when he had a good harvest some year, etc.

    Farmers had to pay so called prodnalog during the NEP, it was a kind of progressive taxation, depending on conditions and of a given household. The period that followed wasn’t like the state confiscated everyone’s land.
     
    The way the Bolsheviks collectivized agriculture when they ended NEP was that they simply increased the tax rate to such an extent that no one could pay the tax and in compensation was forced to give up their lands to the state. So every peasant, rich or poor, had his farm taken from him. Perhaps in Russia itself where most peasants still lived on communes this wasn't a big deal, it was merely an administrative change, but in Ukraine where most farmers were landowners this amounted to forced theft of their lands and a return to the serfdom of their great-grandfathers, with the State being the new master, urban Russians and Jews its enforcers.


    "A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers."

    He was no more a monster than any cop, or an FBI agent, who comes to arrest a person for tax evasion
     
    Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.

    On the other hand, tell me more about that commie son of a bitch relative of yours, he was for sure a killer, probably a mass murderer. Tell me how many noble people he had to smoke to get that Stalin’s flat, where you had the best time of your life.
     
    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned when he was hired by the ЦК КПСС in the early 1980s, obtained the title to when the Soviet system ended, and rented out to the head of a major Western company's Russian operations (kids moved away or to the West, no need to live in such a big place anymore). It was supposed to buy a more modest place in order to move his elderly mother in from the provinces but right at the moment of buying, prices dropped due to the crash and a much better place materialized for that price. Previous owner had inherited it from his father, some general, he was moving abroad and just wanted to sell it quickly. So very good luck. The mother died a couple years later, I lived there afterwards. Extended family uses it as a place to relax or spend the night after going to the theater or when spending time downtown.

    My relatives engaged in no theft in the 90s, some of their colleagues with the same connections got really rich but they couldn't bring themselves to it, they just legally rented a place, used it to buy properties which they also rent. Even paid taxes in the 90s when no one else did, to the tax collector's shock. Idealists.

    Pretty much every rich person in Russia has been involved with mass theft and/or murder, but there exist people who live comfortable lives who were not such.

    The guy came from an Old Bolshevik family who were involved in academics at a high bureaucratic level in one of the provinces, they were not in the security organs and didn't kill anyone though. But they had been committed Bolsheviks, even knew Krupskaya, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system - an evil task, creating Sharikovs.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  885. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Radiotehnika S30. There were two factories (VEF & Radiotehnika
     
    I thought you had grown up in Estonia, so I was wondering about Estonian products.

    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model "S90"

    It's interesting the company has survived and was selling some speakers with the same 1970s Soviet design language today. The appearance is still the Soviet nostalgia but now with 4-way
    https://rrr.lv/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/s400m.jpg


    nerdy things, they are real tinkerers. But Latvians make a good microphone (used by Cristina Aguilera, Metallica and others) and good sound systems.
     
    I didn't know about surviving of the Baltic states' hi-fi industry.

    For the "Estonia" pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union. But the most common performance pianos were being imported from Czechoslovakia (Petrof brand). Petrof also managed to survive the transition to capitalism although not really common nowadays.

    Replies: @LatW, @Here Be Dragon

    Radiotehnika K-101 with S-30 speakers.

    Soviet Hi-Fi gear was not bad. But Russian Союз hand-crafted microphones are the best.

    https://soyuzmicrophones.com/our-story

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Here Be Dragon

    The pertinent science has not changed since the amplifier was made modern so there is no reason a stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality if it was engineered and manufactured with care. When did they start making mass commercial CD's? '85?

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100's of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    Transhumanist whackos are in for a big surprise when their physicians inform them they need to get their affairs in order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    , @LatW
    @Here Be Dragon


    Radiotehnika K-101 with S-30 speakers.
     
    This company is not purely a Soviet creation. It was originally started as a small shop by a Jewish guy in 1926 (during the first Latvian Republic). Then soon a Latvian engineer took over it and built it up, he used some Siemens technology and also built up a lot of his own (he was in charge of the factory in the 1940s but was persecuted in the 1950s). My dad helped make those speakers (he was in charge of galvanizing, he was good at chemistry), and that amplifier was pretty cool, it was fun playing with those loudness controls when I was little.
  886. @AnonfromTN
    @Dmitry

    That map reflects a fading delusion. The fact that most of Russian territory isn’t green should ring a bell. While there was (and still is, however reduced) fraction in Russia believing that it is Europe, in reality Russia isn’t. It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt. Europeans who think that this will pass soon should think again. Life is irreversible, and so is history.

    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia, same as Indochina or India. Calling Europe a continent can only be explained by delusions of grandeur. These delusions might have had some basis in reality a century or two ago, but now they are clearly anachronistic. Ironically, the EU and UK work harder than anyone to drive whatever remains of Europe into the ground. In the emerging multi-polar world the US will likely remain one of the poles, but Europe won’t.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Beckow, @216, @Coconuts

    It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt.

    Doesn’t this mirror the feelings of many Europeans about Russia following both the end of the Romanovs and the fall of the USSR, from world superpower to declining postmodern gangsta regime and future China-vassal?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    Doesn’t this mirror the feelings of many Europeans about Russia
     
    Maybe. Who cares? The feelings of the Europeans are totally irrelevant. They are disregarded by their imperial suzerain, as well as everybody else.

    Replies: @216

  887. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "US didn’t send soldiers into Ukraine in 2014. Russia did. Minsk agreement was forced upon Ukraine by Russian arms."

    Forced or not doesn’t matter, the point is that the war wouldn’t have begun if Ukraine had implemented these agreements.
     
    Similar logic; "I wouldn't have shot you if you had given me your wallet. After I showed you my gun you said you would give me the wallet but then you didn't. It's your fault. "

    It's the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    "You would perhaps have a point of Russia were still a monarchy. RSFSR had never owned those territories (other than Crimea)."

    A man can change a name and get a new passport, but it doesn’t change his personal history and who he is, it doesn’t cancel his inheritance right and doesn’t cancel his debt. The same applies to countries.
     
    Soviet Russia did not merely change its passport and its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein's monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity. It is an insult to Romanov Russia, to equate the Soviet monstrosity and its ugly 1990s evolution to it.

    If you are going to evoke defunct and killed entities, you might as well go back to Galicia who controlled parts of the Black Sea before Russians got there in the 18th century:

    https://i.imgur.com/O9Z7mfg.png

    "Russians were never more than 30% of that territory’s population. And “still speaking Russian” is a lie – majority there spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian."

    Here is the census of the cities in the east and south of Ukraine, with the number of Russians followed with the number of Ukrainians, going from the south-west to the east.
     
    You conveniently cherry-pick only the city populations.

    The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian. So Kherson Governorate had 2.7 million people, of whom 55% were Ukrainian-speaking (census went by language not ethnicity, so if one includes Russian-speaking Ukrainians the Ukrainian population may have been even larger). So about 200,000 Russians in the city of Odessa gave that city a Russian majority, within a Ukrainian-majority province.

    From this it’s obvious who founded, built and populated these cities. On top of that, Kiev was and therefore is a Russian city as well, 134 278 – 55 064.
     
    In the governate of Kiev (population: 3.5 million) where Russians were 6% of the population, the small administrative center of Kiev (population: 248,000) had a Russian-speaking majority (previously it had been a Polish-speaking majority). So?

    You on the other hand are bringing up the rural population that migrated from the neighboring areas to work in the fields
     
    They are no worse than the people who migrated to the cities. And there were many more of them.

    You on that account are calling the entire region Ukrainian.
     
    I simply state the fact that it was majority Ukrainian.

    The same can be said about the South Africa, where the Europeans had founded and built the cities
     
    You can stick to Europe and recall the Irish in Ireland, Czechs in Bohemia, Slovaks in Slovakia, Finns, and Balts. At some point all of these peoples had foreigners dominating their urban populations.

    These peasants are incapable of building and managing a state, or even a province, on their own
     
    Peasants were led by gentry, in the case of Ukraine these would be people like Vyshnevetsky, Khmelnytsky, Mazepa, Sahaidachny, etc. Then Petliura, Hrushevsky, Skoropasky, etc. There was always someone who wasn't a peasant.

    Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.

    "Khmelnytsky was recognized as its sovereign ruler in 1648."

    You keep confusing fantasies with realities. A sovereign ruler is a supreme ruler, a monarch. He was recognized as a governor of a Polish province.
     
    A Vilnius panegyric in Khmelnytsky's honor (1650–1) asserted: ‘While in Poland it is King Jan II Casimir Vasa, in Rus’ it is Hetman Bohdan Khmelnytsky.’

    Khmelnytsky claimed the divine right to rule over Cossacks as early as 29 July 1648, when in a letter to a Muscovite voivode he titled himself ‘Bohdan Khmelnytsky, by Divine grace hetman with the Zaporozhian Host.’ This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents. Foreigners addressing Khmelnytsky titled him ‘Illustrissimus Princeps’ or ‘Dux.’ Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    "The Germans forced the Bolsheviks to recognize Ukraine as an independent state that included those territories."

    The Germans lost and the treaties were cancelled.
     
    Sure. You weren't smart enough to keep track of the discussion or to remember the point of the Germans though.

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift. They forced the Soviets to recognize that those lands belonged to the Ukrainian state.


    The same as in the definition of a household dependent children are not counted as householders
     
    We were discussing members of a household. Not "householders."

    It's uncanny how every defender of the Soviet Union just has to be dishonest in some way. BTW by definition a householder is only someone who owns or pays for the house. So non-working housewives aren't counted as householders either. Typically each household only has one householder:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/householder

    a person who occupies a house or tenement alone or as the head of a household

    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/householder

    the person who owns or is in charge of a house

    Definition of a household:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/household

    "those who dwell under the same roof and compose a family"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household

    "A household consists of one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share meals. It may also consist of a single family or another group of people"

    https://www.prb.org/resources/what-is-a-household/

    A person who can reason and count would have understand, that a number of two people in the household, on average, points out that children are not counted, otherwise that would mean that on average people have no children.
     
    Well, if on average people have 1.5 children than if one includes many households with single people, divorced people, and people whose children have grown up and left home one gets an average household size of 2.0

    On the other hand, if children and housewives are not counted than the combination of single people, one-income households, and working couples would achieve an average somewhere between 1 and 2. There are probably not enough Mormon fundamentalists with multiple wives in Germany, or young students sharing apartments, to bring the average to two.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced. Do not pretend to disagree.

    Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity.

    No, it was the same state with a different political order. You should have read Gilyarovsky instead of Dostoevsky.

    Moscow and Muscovites
    https://russianlife.com/shop/books/moscow-and-muscovites/

    You would have had a lot better understanding of Russia. You should at least give it a chance, my best recommendation is this book below, but it’s in Russian.

    https://viewer.rsl.ru/ru/rsl01005421094?page=1&rotate=0&theme=white

    He is on that painting, Cossacks of Saporog Are Drafting a Manifesto, the big laughing man in a read coat, on the right – it’s him.

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    The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian.

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.

    They are no worse than the people who migrated to the cities. And there were many more of them.

    The people who migrated to the cities were the people who liberated the land. The land belongs to them.

    You can stick to Europe and recall the Czechs in Bohemia, Slovaks in Slovakia. At some point all of these peoples had foreigners dominating their urban populations.

    No, because in that case those people were indigenous to the land and the Ukrainian peasants were not.

    Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant. The Hetmanate was a province of Poland first, and then a province of Russia. There was nothing in between.

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war. Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.

    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced.
     
    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal. Russia's leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    "Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity."

    No, it was the same state with a different political order.
     
    It's native elites were replaced by an international gang of Caucasians, Jews, Latvians, whatever Lenin was and its political system was completely changed. It was based on the same place with the same human capital so there were similarities - if one kills someone and makes a Frankenstein's monster out of the corpse, the monster will share certain features with the dead man.

    In contrast, post-Soviet Russia was not so different. It had the same elites in charge, they just decided to ape western capitalists in their own self-serving way. This was not a Revolution, it was analogous to the Petrine reforms, Peter's killing of the musketeers was similar to Yeltsin's destruction of the Russian parliament.

    "The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian."

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.
     
    1. Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host. The Zaporozhian hetman, Petro Kalnyshevsky, was awarded the Gold Medal of the Order of Saint Andrew with diamonds for his efforts in that liberation.

    2. Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    3. Parts of those territories had already been sparsely settled by escaped serfs. In terms of largescale migration after the annexation by the Russian Empire, there is no evidence that the rural settlers moving south from immediately adjacent ethnic Ukrainian territory came later than the urban settlers coming all the way from Russia.

    "Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms."

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.
     
    The illiterate proles in the cities weren't managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also. The infamous Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov was from such a Ukrainian Cossack officer family. His father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant.
     
    But this was not the case.

    About Khmelnytsky: Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war.
     
    Maybe so. But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.
     
    And in that case, one could say that Ukraine's inclusion in Belarus was a Soviet gift to Belarus, it was their work.

    But instead, Ukraine's borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    They probably did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand and some cultural projects to go through as they consolidated their physical power. The Soviet elites did much the same in 1990s Ukraine.


    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.
     
    So you claim. But Eurostat and other sources claim 1.8, they are probably more accurate than you.

    Replies: @216, @Dmitry, @Sean, @Here Be Dragon

  888. @Beckow
    @Anatoly Karlin

    One in three, or one in four events happen all the time. One in ten almost never. I also think the Western over-load on propaganda has taken away any chance that the Russian morale will collapse. It is just too much, lying and hatred, the overdone pontificating about "aggression" by people who have been aggressing at will for the last 20 years.

    A much smarter approach by the West at the beginning would had been to go soft: acknowledge this and that, speak softly, restrain the bloody talk, keep on meeting, confuse Russia with a pretend internal division. That would make a collapse of the Russian morale much more likely. But with this idiotic overload of hatred it is not going to happen, people close ranks, Russians are like that. Others would too.

    If a blitzkrieg had succeeded and Kiev would give up, the resulting victory would be very shallow and unsustainable. It is the hard grind of a war that makes the eventual victory last. Here again, the West completely miscalculated - as if they are trying to secretly assist in Russia trying to implement the worst Western nightmares. Maybe that is the only way they saw out of the cul-de-sac they got themselves into in Ukraine after 2014.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I remember that during the Cold War, there was a lot of stress in the “West” on “Russian dissidents”. To the point that an Irish Republican cartoon in the 1970s had a bedraggled IRA inmate thinking, “Gosh, I wish I had a TV! I could do with a documentary on the sorrowful plight of Soviet dissidents.”

    However, this time around all Russians are bad, even ones like Tchaikovsky who died well over a century ago.

  889. @Greasy William
    @sher singh

    I like Indian girls. I was a big Sania Mirza fan but my guess is that she has lost her hotness by now. Also, she had an attitude problem and needed a backhand across her pretty face.

    Re Sarah: I don't know what Sarah was like but my own sister is a stupid bitch. Pharaoh can have her.

    Replies: @sher singh

    Pharaoh can have her.

    You really are the most feminine rat-like race of man.

  890. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    https://i.postimg.cc/Y07Hx6bb/Radiotehnika-K-101-with-S-30.jpg

    Radiotehnika K-101 with S-30 speakers.

    Soviet Hi-Fi gear was not bad. But Russian Союз hand-crafted microphones are the best.

    https://soyuzmicrophones.com/our-story

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    The pertinent science has not changed since the amplifier was made modern so there is no reason a stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality if it was engineered and manufactured with care. When did they start making mass commercial CD’s? ’85?

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100’s of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    Transhumanist whackos are in for a big surprise when their physicians inform them they need to get their affairs in order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    (google says 1988 was the cd/vinyl crossover so by 1985 the handwriting must have been legibly on the wall for just about all)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100’s of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).
     
    In one test, each musician was given 20 minutes to play all six violins. Then, each rated the instruments in several categories. Finally, they were asked to pick their favorite instrument — the one they could take home, if allowed.

    In a second test, each musician was asked to play two of the violins. Then, they were asked to choose which one was better. They repeated the process for 10 pairings. During the test, the musicians didn’t know that one violin of each pair was a Stradivarius. The other instrument was modern-made.

    The team’s test results “present a striking challenge to conventional wisdom,” Fritz and her colleagues reported in 2012. Overall, and in head-to-head tests, most preferred the new violin. They preferred the Stradivarius least! In fact, there seemed to be no link between an instrument’s age or value and how well a musician rated its sound. Finally, most musicians seemed unable to tell if the instrument they were playing was old or new.

    https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/tests-challenge-whether-centuries-old-violins-really-are-best-ever

    As for stained glass windows, we can easily make ones the same. It is beyond simple. The only thing you might say is that what is represented is a question of art, which is fair, but it that's a timeless subject anyway. I also prefer those at Sagrada Familia.
    , @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality... CD’s? ’85
     
    Hi-fi was already quite mature technologically in the 1960s/1970s, so today you could build a nice sounding hi-fi using the vintage (i.e. 1960s-) components. You could build a hi-fi with 1960s equipment, and it could sound multiple times better than speakers most young people are listening today from (Amazon Alexa?)

    In particular, with the development of the CD by Sony engineers from the late 1970s, the 1982 introduced encoding of 44100 samples/second * 16 bits/sample, is more information than can be audibly perceived. . Engineers can need higher values so they have the headroom when processing the music. There isn't encoding improvement beyond this in the final product. This is a technological maturity in the encoding.

    Still, it is easier and cheaper nowadays for hi-fi fans, to attain good results with their hi-fi. Prices for amplification have been falling.

    In terms of speakers, there is an easy improvement of using active DSP crossovers. (Although some of hi-fi puritans will be angry about this method, as you are adding another conversion from digital to analogue to digital to analogue).

    Another change of recent years, are the availability of the room correction software like the "dirac live".

    At the same time that price for good hi-fi has been falling, the young people today, are increasingly not interested in hi-fi.


    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100’s of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

     

    The situation with violins is interesting, where the best instruments cannot be produced anymore. The ability for producing the world's best violins, has been lost since 18th century Italy. While with other musical instruments, this is usually not the situation.

    But if you think about the overall improvements for music fans. There is the improvement in e,g, acoustics engineering. There were good and bad concert halls in the 19th century, but you wouldn't easily control and predict what will sound good. There were often surprises, when the first music is played, in the new hall. Even in the 20th century, sometimes people were very disappointed about a new hall, after the first concert, as it could sound much worse than you had hoped for.

    But today, it became at least majority science and they can reliably build a good sounding concert hall.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    , @Here Be Dragon
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    No, actually almost anything manufactured in the eighties is of superior quality, compared to what is made now.

    Not only the components were better, but it also was for the most part hand-wired. Nowadays most gear is made with machines, and with inferiour components.

    The best equipment is in fact that made in the 60's and 70's, because it was not only hand-wired but as well using valves, unlike the solid state gear made today.

    You can google a valve amplifier, some are still being made, and see how much more expensive it is. But it's worth it.

    Trust me on this one.

  891. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Here Be Dragon

    The pertinent science has not changed since the amplifier was made modern so there is no reason a stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality if it was engineered and manufactured with care. When did they start making mass commercial CD's? '85?

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100's of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    Transhumanist whackos are in for a big surprise when their physicians inform them they need to get their affairs in order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    (google says 1988 was the cd/vinyl crossover so by 1985 the handwriting must have been legibly on the wall for just about all)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    1982 is the year when CDs, finally begin sales, after several years of hype.

    In 1982, the great Karajan, has been the face of the CD, for Sony and Philips.

    There is Karajan and Sony co-founder Akio Morita, in 1981, in Saltzburg, showing the technology for journalists.

    https://i.imgur.com/zZq0ftB.jpg
    Karajan already has Deutsche Grammophon CD for his finger.


    https://bilder2.n-tv.de/img/technik/origs3104641/7522791423-w0-h0/Karajan-CD.jpg


    In the beginning, CD was not going to be such an immediate audio difference for pop music fans, but more for classical music fans.

    Classical music fans (of that epoch), were obsessed about removing "hiss" during the quiet parts of music, while vinyl and tape produces "hiss".

    For pop music fans, this "hiss" is not important, as there are less dynamics and without time of quiet in the music, where you can be annoyed by "hiss".

    So, CD was desired more for the classical music community. But of course, in terms of introducing the digitalization of music, andthe information storage in general, it was an important historical change for everyone.

  892. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Here Be Dragon

    The pertinent science has not changed since the amplifier was made modern so there is no reason a stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality if it was engineered and manufactured with care. When did they start making mass commercial CD's? '85?

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100's of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    Transhumanist whackos are in for a big surprise when their physicians inform them they need to get their affairs in order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100’s of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    In one test, each musician was given 20 minutes to play all six violins. Then, each rated the instruments in several categories. Finally, they were asked to pick their favorite instrument — the one they could take home, if allowed.

    In a second test, each musician was asked to play two of the violins. Then, they were asked to choose which one was better. They repeated the process for 10 pairings. During the test, the musicians didn’t know that one violin of each pair was a Stradivarius. The other instrument was modern-made.

    The team’s test results “present a striking challenge to conventional wisdom,” Fritz and her colleagues reported in 2012. Overall, and in head-to-head tests, most preferred the new violin. They preferred the Stradivarius least! In fact, there seemed to be no link between an instrument’s age or value and how well a musician rated its sound. Finally, most musicians seemed unable to tell if the instrument they were playing was old or new.

    https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/tests-challenge-whether-centuries-old-violins-really-are-best-ever

    As for stained glass windows, we can easily make ones the same. It is beyond simple. The only thing you might say is that what is represented is a question of art, which is fair, but it that’s a timeless subject anyway. I also prefer those at Sagrada Familia.

  893. A123 says: • Website
    @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    A strange form of piety
     
    1. It clearly states in the Torah that marriage between siblings was no prohibited until the Exodus, at which point enough mutations had accumulated the the human genome to make such unions dangerous for the resulting offspring.

    2. I don't think you want to be trash talking the mother of the Jewish people. Bad karma.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    Sikh stands for Cuck. They let their BJP offer up wives and daughters for impregnation by Paki Muslims. Presumably they cut their penises bloody with ritual weapons of submission & surrender while they watch.

    Sad. But there is nothing any of can do for “Sher Cuck Singh” and his bloody phallus.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Yeesh. We're getting to the "war of the bloody penis insults" stage of the discussion. Grim.

    Replies: @A123, @sher singh

  894. @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No worries.

    Ukraine cannot win, and the European stage managers are becoming distracted: (1)


    This is How Putin’s Strategic Patience May Pay Off in Ukraine

    To paraphrase the BBC journalist Quentin Sommerville; if you still think Ukraine is winning the war ‘then you have not been paying attention’. Over recent weeks, the brilliant Ukrainian success in defeating the Russians to the north of Kyiv has been replaced by gradual and brutal Russian progress in the Donbas. This is a reversion to the traditional Russian playbook from World War Two. No other country has a record of tolerating such levels of mass casualties whilst enduring and inflicting extreme suffering. Russia intends to take the Donbas village by village and town by town using artillery in a war of attrition which Ukraine cannot possibly match.

    Meanwhile, the West is already demonstrating the lack of “strategic patience” on display last August in Afghanistan. Where once the leading news channels had senior presenters reporting on Kyiv rooftops, Ukraine news has already dropped below the related concerns about food and energy prices, not to mention celebrity trials
     
    Baring the end of democracy in America, MAGA will gain control of the House and thus Appropriations. They will spend much less on Ukraine to fund domestic priorities, such as border security.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.thecipherbrief.com/this-is-how-putins-strategic-patience-may-pay-off-in-ukraine

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If cowardly MAGA enthusiasts like you hide from debate and shield themselves from criticism by a no show, then the movement will fizzle out like its predecessor the Tea Party. The Ukrainian military has the full loyalty and support of the population (many kitchens are operating in Ukraine where civilians are cooking good nutritious Ukrainian food that is being transported to the front lines daily) and they, unlike you show up to work every day ready to fight for their country.

  895. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    No, it seems that you and you fellow kremlin stooge A123 have it ass backwards. According to Wikipedia, in 2014 it was Russian inspired and led forces that fired the first salvos and that were behind the first insurrection within Ukraine's borders. In 2022, it's clear that Russian forces crossed Ukraine's borders and fomented the war that we're still seeing right before our very eyes. You know Professor, I cut you a little bit of slack for trying to present an ant-Ukrainian position, seeing that your own mother experienced some damage from the Ukrainian side, but kremlinstoogeA123 who "does not have a horse in this race" is a despicable lout for his pro-Putler positions. Maybe Putler has some incriminating photos of him enjoying himself with some Moscow call girls, or something similar?

    kremlinstoogeA123 is so out of touch with American public opinion, one wonders how and why he considers himself as some sort of a political pundit? For the first time in recent US history, Americans of both major political persuasions agree about something:


    By the numbers: Around 76% of the people who took the poll believe that the U.S. should provide more humanitarian support to Ukraine, and 67% support increasing economic sanctions on Russia.

    55% believe the U.S. should provide more military support to Ukraine.
     

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/poll-americans-biden-ukraine-russia-invasion

    He's so out of touch with reality, that his new incarnation as Putler's shoe shine boy seems to fit his new persona to a tee.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Triteleia Laxa, @AnonfromTN

    “According to Wikipedia ”

    Wikipedia is completely useless for anything that’s at all politically contentious, as this certainly is.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @YetAnotherAnon

    You've got something better? I'm all ears, let's hear it?...

  896. Reading Kevin Macdonald’s latest piece here, I came across some information that probably helps explain kremlinstoogesA123’s latest epiphany of becoming Putler’s biggest cheerleader at this blogsite:

    Remember: there is a chance that by 2024, the government will be in such total disarray after having lost a war with Russia and collapsed the US economy that it will be possible for Trump to win.

    I’m not saying that is likely. But it is possible.

    Yes, unfortunately, this is the kind of nonsense that kremlinstoogeA123 believes in. When Ukraine ends up winning the war, Trump’s chances for reelection go totally down the toilet, and kremlinstoogeA123 will have to come to grips with the realization that he and his idol Trump are all washed up. It’s all rubbish of course, but this appears to be the basis for much of kremlinstoogeA123’s motivation.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    It was Biden and his advisors (Blinken freed from Obama's common sense refusal to supply advanced weapons) labouring under the misapprehension that Ukraine had been denied support by Trump that amp up support for Ukraine and tried to ride herd on Russia, thereby and sealing Ukraine's fate. Partisan domestic political considerations ought to be kept out of foreign policy, Zelensky and Biden both blundered into this war by making foreign policy subordinate to worries about rivals.

    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

  897. @Thulean Friend
    @Philip Owen


    Ditto Rolls Royce and aero engines under unpaid leases. I don’t know exactly about GE engines.
     
    March 10th: Russia says China refused to supply aircraft parts

    June 17th: China ‘ready’ to deliver aircraft parts to Russia: Chinese Ambassador

    ---

    The situation is still serious, but the trend is looking better for Russia.

    Putin has high ambitions in indigenous high-technology production. But Russia doesn't have the human capital base to do it, especially in chips (Russia is only at 90 nm and not getting closer. China is at 14 nm and will get their own EUV machines this decade, which will allow them to get to sub-7 nm).

    Its weakness in sophisticated machine tools is also evident. When they moved away from US tools they instead just increased imports of European equivalents rather than make their own. Will they now start using Chinese tools? That would go against Putin's wishes of self-sufficiency but Russia likely has no other choice.

    To what extent China can (or wants) to help is of crucial importance for Moscow going forward. It will be very reliant on Beijing, whether Putin likes it or not.

    Replies: @Sean

    There were demands that gas be supplied to Europe under short term contracts and through Ukraine after the energy crisis. Three months after Nato’s June 2021 re affirmation that Ukraine would join Nato there was a meeting on energy policy in which Putin more of less said that Ukraine would cease to be a route for gas to Europe when the contracts to the pipelines use come up in 2024. Thus, Putin had more or less signaled China was going to be the main customer for Russian gas especially the new Artic fields. Russian can incentivize Chinese cooperation by massively reduce the RF’s arsenals of tactical nukes which are there in such numbers solely for fighting China. And there is always Vladivostok, where they can get stuff smuggled in from North Korea. Such a mystery where Kim gets his advanced tech for such rapid ICBM development as NK evinced (while Trump was POTUS). The aftermath of the Trump Ukraine imbroglio has left the US facing a sudden effective doubling of the forces it has to oppose and contain.

  898. @Sean
    @AP

    Russia is still right there leaming over the fence in Ukraine's future. Difficult to see how Ukraine is going to ever be able to live normally. They are going to have to spend a massive amount on defence, and who is going to make a risky investment there to enable exploitation of resources? The global land connectivity projects will bypass Ukraine now. I suspect remittances from those working abroad will become important.

    Replies: @AP

    South Korea managed to live normally and presumably got investments.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    The Korean war is a good analogy though there are important dissimilarities. There were tens of thousands of US troops stationed in SK to defend it. Big difference from Ukraine which will not have any such protection of attacking en entaining a global war with the US.

    It will be tempting for the Russians to think they could better in a second war because they would be starting from much closer to Kiev, would be anticipate fierce resistance, have mastered crossing rivers, effectively using massed artillery, and most important have a lot of combat experience and be psychological hardened . The career professionals will be working on just such plan from the day of a cease fire, they will tell Putin they can do it and he will want to settle accounts with Ukraine before he goes.

  899. I see Russia are leaving Snake Island.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/30/ukraine-forces-reportedly-recapture-snake-island-in-strategic-win

    Russia’s ministry of defence stated that it had completed its assigned tasks and was tactically withdrawing to allow for grain exports from Ukraine’s Black Sea ports.

    “In order to organise humanitarian grain corridors as part of the implementation of joint agreements reached with the participation of the UN, the Russian Federation decided to leave its positions on Zmiinyi Island,” the defence ministry said.

    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    “We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. ”

    Looks as if this has come to pass.

    Discussions here tend to be “US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master” vs “Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!” which I don’t think illuminates much.

    It’s possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it’s highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war, but it’s a tribute to their complete control of the narrative that Europe/UK political elites are impoverishing their own citizens with 10%-plus inflation, having previously impoverished them via mass immigration, and seem to be getting away with it.

    I think we all should order our potassium iodide or iodate tablets in good time, as this could get a whole lot worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131#Common_treatment_method

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @YetAnotherAnon


    It’s possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it’s highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.
     
    1. Boris would benefit from a ceasefire. It would be an actual achievement. Not that Ukraine is more than a slight help either way.

    2. Almost no one in the history of humanity is as cynical as you assume the US and UK to be.

    3. The US and UK would have no ability to stop Ukraine from agreeing to a ceasefire. Zelensky could just say that they were pressuring him not to, that he wanted to, and public pressure would force the US and UK into immediate denials, which they would obviously have to stick to. Hidden hands can never govern, because those they are supposedly puppeting actually have all of the legitimacy and so have no need of listening to them.

    4. A ceasefire is not likely in Russia's interests, if they want to continue this war. At this point, they will only agree to it if they really are seeking peace and giving up. Any ceasefire would see sanctions continue and Ukraine getting further armed up and trained.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war
     
    I doubt the US wanted it. As far as I can tell, those pushing that line are either "everything is a conspiracy" nutjobs, or Russian shills ineffectually trying to demoralise Ukrainians or alienated Europe from NATO etc.

    The one spark of truth is that the US would not negotiate with Russia on Ukraine prior to Russia's invasion, but, of course, the US wouldn't negotiate on behalf of Ukraine. Ukraine is an independent state.

    And if the US had negotiated on Ukraine's behalf, you would be hearing idiot Russian shills ranting about how that proves that the US was assimilating Ukraine into the "US Empire" or some other warmed-over boomer 70s socialist nonsense, repackaged as "Dissident Right" supposed "realism."
    , @LondonBob
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There will be an inflection point once the Donbass is liberated. Peace deal or Russia will push on.

    I know how fanatical the Neocons/Jews in the State Department are but I would have expected them to have been pushed aside by more rational voices now, some of the economic and financial indicators are just crazy. European electricity prices are off the chart, France Dec22 baseload power is flirting with the €1,000 per MWh level, Uniper in Germany requiring a huge bailout. Europe looks well set for an epic financial crisis.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    , @LatW
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    “We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. ”

    Looks as if this has come to pass.
     

    It seems that the first HIMARS system arrived in Ukraine shortly before Midsummer (June23-24). The feedback from Ukrainians is that it is very accurate (only a small number is provided). As a result of those hits, the supplies were cut on the island and those Russian guys would've died (there's no water or any other resources there).

    The Greeks used to call this island the Achilles Island. And there was apparently even an Achilles temple there.

    The only way for Ukraine to succeed in this war is with what I'd call the Simo Häyhä method. With higher accuracy and efficiency (the only way to reach anything resembling parity).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

    Replies: @LondonBob

    , @Barbarossa
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Discussions here tend to be “US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master” vs “Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!” which I don’t think illuminates much.
     
    Yes. I wish there was less of the cyclical rehashing of the same tired positions.

    For what it's worth, I told AK many many threads ago that (in response to one of his "shock and disbelief" comments) in my opinion the war was a strategic misstep for both Ukraine and Russia, but it would be spun as an great victory by both sides under virtually any outcome. In reality the war will probably be unsatisfactory unsatisfactory for both parties, though others like the US and China are happy to accrue advantage where they can.

    This position seems to be substantially borne out by events, just based on a non-partisan and common sense read of things. I guess there isn't any propaganda value in that though.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  900. @Mr. Hack
    Reading Kevin Macdonald's latest piece here, I came across some information that probably helps explain kremlinstoogesA123's latest epiphany of becoming Putler's biggest cheerleader at this blogsite:

    Remember: there is a chance that by 2024, the government will be in such total disarray after having lost a war with Russia and collapsed the US economy that it will be possible for Trump to win.

    I’m not saying that is likely. But it is possible.
     

    Yes, unfortunately, this is the kind of nonsense that kremlinstoogeA123 believes in. When Ukraine ends up winning the war, Trump's chances for reelection go totally down the toilet, and kremlinstoogeA123 will have to come to grips with the realization that he and his idol Trump are all washed up. It's all rubbish of course, but this appears to be the basis for much of kremlinstoogeA123's motivation.

    https://www.cleveland.com/resizer/lG4JBPZCxLUbvX2BeOSX6D_S32k=/800x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/LFJXKXGUN5DYDON5PGSJB4XMSI.jpg

    Replies: @Sean

    It was Biden and his advisors (Blinken freed from Obama’s common sense refusal to supply advanced weapons) labouring under the misapprehension that Ukraine had been denied support by Trump that amp up support for Ukraine and tried to ride herd on Russia, thereby and sealing Ukraine’s fate. Partisan domestic political considerations ought to be kept out of foreign policy, Zelensky and Biden both blundered into this war by making foreign policy subordinate to worries about rivals.

    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sean


    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.
     
    It all depends on how you define "winning the war". In a very real sense it appears that Ukraine has already won this war, just by having been able to protect and maintain its capital, Kyiv. The preservation of its capital and large swaths of land throughout Ukraine from Russian domination insures that it too too will "still be there". The original strategy to take Kyiv and install a puppet regime failed miserably. I don't for one moment believe that the Kyiv campaign was only used to divert Ukrainian troops from other areas, including the Donbas. There was a large expenditure of Russian troops on this campaign, including some of the very best crack troops that met their doom during the Ukrainian defense. You don't really think that Russian propagandists would readily admit to this, if it were true? Their posture now, is to deflect the seriousness of this loss to the overall effectiveness of their "special operation in Ukraine". The Russians are as good at lying as anybody else, and in my opinion they're the very best at it.

    Replies: @Sean

    , @AP
    @Sean


    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.
     
    South Korea did fine despite being under North Korean guns and having North Korea’s massive sponsor China nearby. Poland and NATO are closer to Ukraine then Japan and USA are to South Korea.

    Replies: @Sean

  901. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    I see Russia are leaving Snake Island.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/30/ukraine-forces-reportedly-recapture-snake-island-in-strategic-win


    Russia’s ministry of defence stated that it had completed its assigned tasks and was tactically withdrawing to allow for grain exports from Ukraine’s Black Sea ports.

    “In order to organise humanitarian grain corridors as part of the implementation of joint agreements reached with the participation of the UN, the Russian Federation decided to leave its positions on Zmiinyi Island,” the defence ministry said.
     

    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    "We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. "

    Looks as if this has come to pass.

    Discussions here tend to be "US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master" vs "Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!" which I don't think illuminates much.

    It's possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it's highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war, but it's a tribute to their complete control of the narrative that Europe/UK political elites are impoverishing their own citizens with 10%-plus inflation, having previously impoverished them via mass immigration, and seem to be getting away with it.

    I think we all should order our potassium iodide or iodate tablets in good time, as this could get a whole lot worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131#Common_treatment_method

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob, @LatW, @Barbarossa

    It’s possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it’s highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.

    1. Boris would benefit from a ceasefire. It would be an actual achievement. Not that Ukraine is more than a slight help either way.

    2. Almost no one in the history of humanity is as cynical as you assume the US and UK to be.

    3. The US and UK would have no ability to stop Ukraine from agreeing to a ceasefire. Zelensky could just say that they were pressuring him not to, that he wanted to, and public pressure would force the US and UK into immediate denials, which they would obviously have to stick to. Hidden hands can never govern, because those they are supposedly puppeting actually have all of the legitimacy and so have no need of listening to them.

    4. A ceasefire is not likely in Russia’s interests, if they want to continue this war. At this point, they will only agree to it if they really are seeking peace and giving up. Any ceasefire would see sanctions continue and Ukraine getting further armed up and trained.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war

    I doubt the US wanted it. As far as I can tell, those pushing that line are either “everything is a conspiracy” nutjobs, or Russian shills ineffectually trying to demoralise Ukrainians or alienated Europe from NATO etc.

    The one spark of truth is that the US would not negotiate with Russia on Ukraine prior to Russia’s invasion, but, of course, the US wouldn’t negotiate on behalf of Ukraine. Ukraine is an independent state.

    And if the US had negotiated on Ukraine’s behalf, you would be hearing idiot Russian shills ranting about how that proves that the US was assimilating Ukraine into the “US Empire” or some other warmed-over boomer 70s socialist nonsense, repackaged as “Dissident Right” supposed “realism.”

  902. @YetAnotherAnon
    @Mr. Hack


    "According to Wikipedia "
     
    Wikipedia is completely useless for anything that's at all politically contentious, as this certainly is.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You’ve got something better? I’m all ears, let’s hear it?…

  903. @YetAnotherAnon
    I see Russia are leaving Snake Island.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/30/ukraine-forces-reportedly-recapture-snake-island-in-strategic-win


    Russia’s ministry of defence stated that it had completed its assigned tasks and was tactically withdrawing to allow for grain exports from Ukraine’s Black Sea ports.

    “In order to organise humanitarian grain corridors as part of the implementation of joint agreements reached with the participation of the UN, the Russian Federation decided to leave its positions on Zmiinyi Island,” the defence ministry said.
     

    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    "We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. "

    Looks as if this has come to pass.

    Discussions here tend to be "US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master" vs "Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!" which I don't think illuminates much.

    It's possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it's highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war, but it's a tribute to their complete control of the narrative that Europe/UK political elites are impoverishing their own citizens with 10%-plus inflation, having previously impoverished them via mass immigration, and seem to be getting away with it.

    I think we all should order our potassium iodide or iodate tablets in good time, as this could get a whole lot worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131#Common_treatment_method

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob, @LatW, @Barbarossa

    There will be an inflection point once the Donbass is liberated. Peace deal or Russia will push on.

    I know how fanatical the Neocons/Jews in the State Department are but I would have expected them to have been pushed aside by more rational voices now, some of the economic and financial indicators are just crazy. European electricity prices are off the chart, France Dec22 baseload power is flirting with the €1,000 per MWh level, Uniper in Germany requiring a huge bailout. Europe looks well set for an epic financial crisis.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    And what peace deal do you think Russia is offering Ukraine?

    Please be specific.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

  904. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    No, it seems that you and you fellow kremlin stooge A123 have it ass backwards. According to Wikipedia, in 2014 it was Russian inspired and led forces that fired the first salvos and that were behind the first insurrection within Ukraine's borders. In 2022, it's clear that Russian forces crossed Ukraine's borders and fomented the war that we're still seeing right before our very eyes. You know Professor, I cut you a little bit of slack for trying to present an ant-Ukrainian position, seeing that your own mother experienced some damage from the Ukrainian side, but kremlinstoogeA123 who "does not have a horse in this race" is a despicable lout for his pro-Putler positions. Maybe Putler has some incriminating photos of him enjoying himself with some Moscow call girls, or something similar?

    kremlinstoogeA123 is so out of touch with American public opinion, one wonders how and why he considers himself as some sort of a political pundit? For the first time in recent US history, Americans of both major political persuasions agree about something:


    By the numbers: Around 76% of the people who took the poll believe that the U.S. should provide more humanitarian support to Ukraine, and 67% support increasing economic sanctions on Russia.

    55% believe the U.S. should provide more military support to Ukraine.
     

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/poll-americans-biden-ukraine-russia-invasion

    He's so out of touch with reality, that his new incarnation as Putler's shoe shine boy seems to fit his new persona to a tee.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Triteleia Laxa, @AnonfromTN

    Honestly, A123 really is “hasbara”. I roll my eyes most times such an accusation is made, but every single one of his comments really do fit neatly into Israeli propaganda points.

    And Israel is very happy with Russia acquiring large swathes of European territory by force, kicking most of the people out, and getting away with it, because it will be the example that gives them tremendous leeway in their own little conflict.

    I don’t think Israel has been actively trying to take over the West Bank and I sincerely believe that they feel that they have no other option because of terrorism, but I bet they would very much like the possibility of “regathering the Jewish lands”.

    It would also certainly help their negotiating position with the Palestinians if the Palestinians saw this as possible, which, despite their protestations, they obviously don’t, otherwise they would be desperate for peace before it happened.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I am not sure why you feel the need to use terms like "hasbara" and "propaganda".

    You objectively acknowledge a key point I have been trying to make. Palestinian Jews are Neutral or Russian Leaning. Despite desperate poll flailing to refute this undeniable reality, Israeli government policy has been quite consistent.


    I don’t think Israel has been actively trying to take over the West Bank and I sincerely believe that they feel that they have no other option because of terrorism, but I bet they would very much like the possibility of “regathering the Jewish lands”.
     
    This is no doubt correct about indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    Some feel that annexation is necessary because violent Muslim colonies support terror. Others want to reclaim Judea & Samaria, the eponymous religious homeland Judaism. After spending 2,000+ years getting their land back, indigenous Jews will never allow it to be stolen again.

    It would also certainly help their negotiating position with the Palestinians if the Palestinians saw this as possible, which, despite their protestations, they obviously don’t, otherwise they would be desperate for peace before it happened.
     
    As a matter of objective fact, Hamas destroyed the fresh water aquifer under Gaza. Desalination is unaffordable. Also, there is no way to undo decades of minimum necessary security precautions to deal with violence aimed at indigenous Palestinian Jews. This makes the only viable solution for the bulk of the Islamic settler population rather obvious. Honourable & compensated relocation to a New Muslim Palestine physically separate from Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel).

    How many more generations of Muslim youth will be lost before rationality sets in?

    Former Arab support has waned over decades of failure, and is now being replaced by the successful Abraham Accords. The land grab in Jewish Palestine is now almost exclusively funded by Persian Shiadom and ultra-left Europe. The biggest enemy to the non-indigenous Muslim people trapped in Jewish Palestine are their own leaders -- PLO, Fatah, Hamas, UNRWA, etc.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Honestly, A123 really is “hasbara”. I roll my eyes most times such an accusation is made, but every single one of his comments really do fit neatly into Israeli propaganda points.
     
    You're not the first to point this out here at this blogsite. His masquerade as some sort of a Heinz 57 good old boy, "born again" with a dash of rebel yell thrown in for good measure is running a little bit thin at this point. :-(
  905. @LondonBob
    @YetAnotherAnon

    There will be an inflection point once the Donbass is liberated. Peace deal or Russia will push on.

    I know how fanatical the Neocons/Jews in the State Department are but I would have expected them to have been pushed aside by more rational voices now, some of the economic and financial indicators are just crazy. European electricity prices are off the chart, France Dec22 baseload power is flirting with the €1,000 per MWh level, Uniper in Germany requiring a huge bailout. Europe looks well set for an epic financial crisis.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    And what peace deal do you think Russia is offering Ukraine?

    Please be specific.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Peace deal:
    - let Donbas go
    - restore Russian as a second language where Russians live: Odessa, Kharkov...
    - neutral Ukraine with no Nato
    - cede a land corridor along Black Sea to Russia (Kherson...)

    Or it could be worse. Kiev should take the deal if it is offered, but they won't be allowed. Nato really wants those bases in Ukraine. One wonders why, don't you? And don't try the "it is against Iran!" nonsense as Washington with a straight face tried before. Lies that big recouche on the liars.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @A123
    @Triteleia Laxa


    @LondonBob
    And what peace deal do you think Russia is offering Ukraine?

    Please be specific
     

    And what peace deal do you think Ukraine is offering Russia? Please be specific.

    After Zelensky's rejection of Minsk and initiation of hostilities, any deal will almost certainly be less favourable than that.
    ____

    In many ways, this sort of question is best left unanswered by the critical fugures. Public offers & conditions can easily become red lines that actively impede actual negotiations.

    The most likely path to an armistice is for the parties to meet directly without any preconditions.

    PEACE 😇

  906. @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    It was Biden and his advisors (Blinken freed from Obama's common sense refusal to supply advanced weapons) labouring under the misapprehension that Ukraine had been denied support by Trump that amp up support for Ukraine and tried to ride herd on Russia, thereby and sealing Ukraine's fate. Partisan domestic political considerations ought to be kept out of foreign policy, Zelensky and Biden both blundered into this war by making foreign policy subordinate to worries about rivals.

    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.

    It all depends on how you define “winning the war”. In a very real sense it appears that Ukraine has already won this war, just by having been able to protect and maintain its capital, Kyiv. The preservation of its capital and large swaths of land throughout Ukraine from Russian domination insures that it too too will “still be there”. The original strategy to take Kyiv and install a puppet regime failed miserably. I don’t for one moment believe that the Kyiv campaign was only used to divert Ukrainian troops from other areas, including the Donbas. There was a large expenditure of Russian troops on this campaign, including some of the very best crack troops that met their doom during the Ukrainian defense. You don’t really think that Russian propagandists would readily admit to this, if it were true? Their posture now, is to deflect the seriousness of this loss to the overall effectiveness of their “special operation in Ukraine”. The Russians are as good at lying as anybody else, and in my opinion they’re the very best at it.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @Mr. Hack


    It all depends on how you define “winning the war”. In a very real sense it appears that Ukraine has already won this war, just by having been able to protect and maintain its capital, Kyiv.
     
    In terms of prestige Ukraine is victorious, and Russia is left seething. When we stop to consider what the materiel consequences will be in the future for the existence of ordinary Ukrainians, the outlook is less than rosy, because Ukraine is not going to be given Charter 5 protection so Ukrainians are going to have onerous military service obligation for the foreseeable , their country will be spending large part of its GDP on armaments than anyone else, and for foreign investors there will be too much uncertainty.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  907. @AP
    @Sean

    South Korea managed to live normally and presumably got investments.

    Replies: @Sean

    The Korean war is a good analogy though there are important dissimilarities. There were tens of thousands of US troops stationed in SK to defend it. Big difference from Ukraine which will not have any such protection of attacking en entaining a global war with the US.

    It will be tempting for the Russians to think they could better in a second war because they would be starting from much closer to Kiev, would be anticipate fierce resistance, have mastered crossing rivers, effectively using massed artillery, and most important have a lot of combat experience and be psychological hardened . The career professionals will be working on just such plan from the day of a cease fire, they will tell Putin they can do it and he will want to settle accounts with Ukraine before he goes.

  908. @LatW
    @Gerard1234


    Seriously, for the last time – how is it that TsIPSO is more Baltic in composition than Ukrainian?
     
    You know, some people are genuinely interested in how this will turn out. But Ukrainian Psychological Operations do sound interesting (not sure this is a real thing, it sounds like something that should be part of the Ukrainian SBU), should look into that.


    that must mean it’s just filtered into Latvian because of Russian rule.
     
    No, these are linguistic forms that were in place a long time before there were even separate nations. They form basic lexicon. See the video with Dr Balanovskiy below.

    Lithuanian – I can maybe decipher about 30% of it when hearing Lithuanian guys talk, because of whatever is shared – the other 2 is nowhere near.
     
    I highly doubt you can decipher that much, but probably some. You can't really perceive the commonalities just from listening, you have to look deeper.

    you literally LIVE through modern ( and other era) Russian pop culture/runet and “high culture”
     
    Ever heard of something called time management? With the right approach one can explore other cultures besides one's own. And no, it's not runet, but Ukrainian and pro-Ukrainian Russian web.

    Starts at 23:36 "In the heart of Europe..."

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLb7K3yPpYg

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    pro-Ukrainian Russian web

    With Runet being 90%+ of Ukrainian web, you can say that Ukroweb is a total subset of Runet you cockroach . Before the evil, fascist authoritarian puppet Kiev regime banned them – VK,Yandex, OK, Russian delivery shop services and Russian banking services were by a BIG majority the most used by ukrops . Now its the western social media and seearch engine , online delivery replaced by Ukrops and the ( very weak by comparison.) Ukrop internet banking services probably using western technology. Although they do seem to watch Russian political shows every day LOL, with Solovyov, Kiselyov and Skabayeva seem to be talked about even more by Ukronazis than by Russians – and certainly before the war were still watching Russian tv entertainment/drama shows more than their own. Of course Russians is close to 100% language used in Ukrop “gaming” culture , its main employment sites use exclusively Russian and the other ones – which makes the retard government sites use of solely Ukrop and English a completely vile act.

    Music promoted or used as “viral” clips as part of “modern Ukraine” is close to 100% Russian performers, LOL – whether its pop, rap in particular or rock. Anything recorded on cooking, extreme stunts, travel, gym work or anything else of “internet culture” is IDENTICAL in style if its a Russian or a Ukrainian doing it you POS – mainly because the Ukrainians directly copy what they see Russians doing on Runet. Olga Buzova – identical, Timati- identical, even this idiot Navalny and the dirty actions leaked of this fool Dzyuba and all these other famous people are identical in scope, where and how they are circulated and used by Ukrops and Russians on Runet.

    Ever heard of something called time management? With the right approach one can explore other cultures besides one’s own. And no, it’s not runet, but Ukrainian and pro-Ukrainian Russian web.

    LOL- what a weak argument confirming what an inept, POS culture your own is for you to have this much interest in the Russian one,. Using your time to recycle fake culture sh*t from Ukrops and fake peremoga and immerse yourself in everything else on it is just pathetic. As I say, Ukronazis and Gruzians doing it – fine, Baltics doing it is just embarrassing.

    I highly doubt you can decipher that much, but probably some. You can’t really perceive the commonalities just from listening, you have to look deeper.

    Maybe, nothing scientific about my 30% guess – and its certainly not above that.

  909. @Mr. Hack
    @Sean


    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.
     
    It all depends on how you define "winning the war". In a very real sense it appears that Ukraine has already won this war, just by having been able to protect and maintain its capital, Kyiv. The preservation of its capital and large swaths of land throughout Ukraine from Russian domination insures that it too too will "still be there". The original strategy to take Kyiv and install a puppet regime failed miserably. I don't for one moment believe that the Kyiv campaign was only used to divert Ukrainian troops from other areas, including the Donbas. There was a large expenditure of Russian troops on this campaign, including some of the very best crack troops that met their doom during the Ukrainian defense. You don't really think that Russian propagandists would readily admit to this, if it were true? Their posture now, is to deflect the seriousness of this loss to the overall effectiveness of their "special operation in Ukraine". The Russians are as good at lying as anybody else, and in my opinion they're the very best at it.

    Replies: @Sean

    It all depends on how you define “winning the war”. In a very real sense it appears that Ukraine has already won this war, just by having been able to protect and maintain its capital, Kyiv.

    In terms of prestige Ukraine is victorious, and Russia is left seething. When we stop to consider what the materiel consequences will be in the future for the existence of ordinary Ukrainians, the outlook is less than rosy, because Ukraine is not going to be given Charter 5 protection so Ukrainians are going to have onerous military service obligation for the foreseeable , their country will be spending large part of its GDP on armaments than anyone else, and for foreign investors there will be too much uncertainty.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    What other options does it have? Russia has put Ukraine into this quandary and there's really no way out, but to stand and defend its existence and viability.

    Replies: @Beckow

  910. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Thou protest too much, we see that deep inside you are quite worried. Everything is sacred, until it is not. A trim here and there and soon you will be pining for those kids, too late.
     
    Nonsense. Your projecting your own preconceived notions probably based on your own values etc onto me. I'm not you, so try to expand your understanding of other people to include their differences as well as their similarities.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Feedback is a gift. Take it as such and consider other viewpoints or you will get overrun by events in the future. I presented a possible scenario that has nothing to do with my values – if you find it unlikely, that’s fine. But the scenario will still be there to haunt you.

    Trends and guarantees are sacred until they are not. A lot of people make a lot of money from people who refuse to even consider it. Sacred is sacred until it is not and nobody can explain what happened – sh..t happens, we may be overdue for a sizable one.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Your pontificating to me about "gifts" and "sacred" and best of all "haunting" are a real stitch. :-)

    You should consider opening up a private school where you'd be able to share your wisdom with a larger audience:

    https://www.animationmagazine.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/caspers-scare-school-post.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

  911. @Greasy William
    @Beckow


    A strange form of piety
     
    1. It clearly states in the Torah that marriage between siblings was no prohibited until the Exodus, at which point enough mutations had accumulated the the human genome to make such unions dangerous for the resulting offspring.

    2. I don't think you want to be trash talking the mother of the Jewish people. Bad karma.

    Replies: @A123, @Beckow

    that marriage between siblings was not prohibited until the Exodus

    That had to be a problem, it suggests a lack of observation and even common sense. Karma comes and goes, one lights a few candles and it is back. That’s the way miracles work.

    • LOL: sher singh
  912. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Feedback is a gift. Take it as such and consider other viewpoints or you will get overrun by events in the future. I presented a possible scenario that has nothing to do with my values - if you find it unlikely, that's fine. But the scenario will still be there to haunt you.

    Trends and guarantees are sacred until they are not. A lot of people make a lot of money from people who refuse to even consider it. Sacred is sacred until it is not and nobody can explain what happened - sh..t happens, we may be overdue for a sizable one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Your pontificating to me about “gifts” and “sacred” and best of all “haunting” are a real stitch. 🙂

    You should consider opening up a private school where you’d be able to share your wisdom with a larger audience:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You need to stop posting your own picture. Yak, that head is too swollen, try some lemon juice at night...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  913. @Sean
    @Mr. Hack


    It all depends on how you define “winning the war”. In a very real sense it appears that Ukraine has already won this war, just by having been able to protect and maintain its capital, Kyiv.
     
    In terms of prestige Ukraine is victorious, and Russia is left seething. When we stop to consider what the materiel consequences will be in the future for the existence of ordinary Ukrainians, the outlook is less than rosy, because Ukraine is not going to be given Charter 5 protection so Ukrainians are going to have onerous military service obligation for the foreseeable , their country will be spending large part of its GDP on armaments than anyone else, and for foreign investors there will be too much uncertainty.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    What other options does it have? Russia has put Ukraine into this quandary and there’s really no way out, but to stand and defend its existence and viability.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ...Russia has put Ukraine into this quandary
     
    Somebody did. Nato plus Russia with very eager assistance from some people in Kiev.

    The first thing to do when in an obvious un-winnable cul-de-sac is to stop the bloodshed. Only Kiev can now do it by simply withdrawing to more defensible lines and asking for a cease fire. Russia after all that has happened (the "demonization" business) cannot stop, they will just go on.

    You already declared a victory for Kiev (many, many times), why not consolidate it? Nato will not let Ukraine go, I am afraid they will insist on a total conflagration that would be a catastrophe for Ukraine.

    The moment of truth is near: is Kiev even in a position to make its own decisions? If not, why are you begging for a sympathy for a client vassal state unable to act in its own interest? All the talk about 'freedom' has led to Kiev not even be able to act freely on the most basic stuff, like preserving the state and not dying pointlessly. Quite a 'freedom' you have there.

  914. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mr. Hack

    Honestly, A123 really is "hasbara". I roll my eyes most times such an accusation is made, but every single one of his comments really do fit neatly into Israeli propaganda points.

    And Israel is very happy with Russia acquiring large swathes of European territory by force, kicking most of the people out, and getting away with it, because it will be the example that gives them tremendous leeway in their own little conflict.

    I don't think Israel has been actively trying to take over the West Bank and I sincerely believe that they feel that they have no other option because of terrorism, but I bet they would very much like the possibility of "regathering the Jewish lands".

    It would also certainly help their negotiating position with the Palestinians if the Palestinians saw this as possible, which, despite their protestations, they obviously don't, otherwise they would be desperate for peace before it happened.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    I am not sure why you feel the need to use terms like “hasbara” and “propaganda”.

    You objectively acknowledge a key point I have been trying to make. Palestinian Jews are Neutral or Russian Leaning. Despite desperate poll flailing to refute this undeniable reality, Israeli government policy has been quite consistent.

    I don’t think Israel has been actively trying to take over the West Bank and I sincerely believe that they feel that they have no other option because of terrorism, but I bet they would very much like the possibility of “regathering the Jewish lands”.

    This is no doubt correct about indigenous Palestinian Jews.

    Some feel that annexation is necessary because violent Muslim colonies support terror. Others want to reclaim Judea & Samaria, the eponymous religious homeland Judaism. After spending 2,000+ years getting their land back, indigenous Jews will never allow it to be stolen again.

    It would also certainly help their negotiating position with the Palestinians if the Palestinians saw this as possible, which, despite their protestations, they obviously don’t, otherwise they would be desperate for peace before it happened.

    As a matter of objective fact, Hamas destroyed the fresh water aquifer under Gaza. Desalination is unaffordable. Also, there is no way to undo decades of minimum necessary security precautions to deal with violence aimed at indigenous Palestinian Jews. This makes the only viable solution for the bulk of the Islamic settler population rather obvious. Honourable & compensated relocation to a New Muslim Palestine physically separate from Jewish Palestine (a.k.a. Israel).

    How many more generations of Muslim youth will be lost before rationality sets in?

    Former Arab support has waned over decades of failure, and is now being replaced by the successful Abraham Accords. The land grab in Jewish Palestine is now almost exclusively funded by Persian Shiadom and ultra-left Europe. The biggest enemy to the non-indigenous Muslim people trapped in Jewish Palestine are their own leaders — PLO, Fatah, Hamas, UNRWA, etc.

    PEACE 😇

  915. @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN

    No, it seems that you and you fellow kremlin stooge A123 have it ass backwards. According to Wikipedia, in 2014 it was Russian inspired and led forces that fired the first salvos and that were behind the first insurrection within Ukraine's borders. In 2022, it's clear that Russian forces crossed Ukraine's borders and fomented the war that we're still seeing right before our very eyes. You know Professor, I cut you a little bit of slack for trying to present an ant-Ukrainian position, seeing that your own mother experienced some damage from the Ukrainian side, but kremlinstoogeA123 who "does not have a horse in this race" is a despicable lout for his pro-Putler positions. Maybe Putler has some incriminating photos of him enjoying himself with some Moscow call girls, or something similar?

    kremlinstoogeA123 is so out of touch with American public opinion, one wonders how and why he considers himself as some sort of a political pundit? For the first time in recent US history, Americans of both major political persuasions agree about something:


    By the numbers: Around 76% of the people who took the poll believe that the U.S. should provide more humanitarian support to Ukraine, and 67% support increasing economic sanctions on Russia.

    55% believe the U.S. should provide more military support to Ukraine.
     

    https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/poll-americans-biden-ukraine-russia-invasion

    He's so out of touch with reality, that his new incarnation as Putler's shoe shine boy seems to fit his new persona to a tee.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @Triteleia Laxa, @AnonfromTN

    According to Wikipedia

    Stopped reading at that point. According to the fox, hens are responsible for a break-in into the chicken coop.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    What proportion of the aged Russian diaspora in the West are as ungrateful and embittered as you?

    Can it really be the leftovers of Soviet ideology that pushed a sort of sour passivity on its citizens, which now comes out as passive aggression so strong that it skews your perception of the world into this nihilistic and, quite frankly, retarded state?

    "In Soviet Union everyone know how great and intelligent I am. In American degenerate culture, nobody recognise it. They are all very stupid. Could not be more stupid. Stupidest ever. I genius."

    Or maybe, you know, you actually know nothing...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Mr. Hack
    @AnonfromTN


    According to the fox, hens are responsible for a break-in into the chicken coop.
     
    Sounds to me like Russian soldiers (orcs) up to their thieving ways in Ukraine again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lybNTwfWMSE
    Russian soldiers stealing chickens in Ukraine. :-)
  916. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mr. Hack

    Honestly, A123 really is "hasbara". I roll my eyes most times such an accusation is made, but every single one of his comments really do fit neatly into Israeli propaganda points.

    And Israel is very happy with Russia acquiring large swathes of European territory by force, kicking most of the people out, and getting away with it, because it will be the example that gives them tremendous leeway in their own little conflict.

    I don't think Israel has been actively trying to take over the West Bank and I sincerely believe that they feel that they have no other option because of terrorism, but I bet they would very much like the possibility of "regathering the Jewish lands".

    It would also certainly help their negotiating position with the Palestinians if the Palestinians saw this as possible, which, despite their protestations, they obviously don't, otherwise they would be desperate for peace before it happened.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack

    Honestly, A123 really is “hasbara”. I roll my eyes most times such an accusation is made, but every single one of his comments really do fit neatly into Israeli propaganda points.

    You’re not the first to point this out here at this blogsite. His masquerade as some sort of a Heinz 57 good old boy, “born again” with a dash of rebel yell thrown in for good measure is running a little bit thin at this point. 🙁

  917. @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Hit list of “right-wingers” on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/
     
    Quite a few good looking women on the anti-war camp versus basically none on the pro-war one. Possibly not a coincidence.

    Let's hope apolitical Russians note the difference. Successful mass movements typically attract the young and good looking and with them the rest of society follows.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    Let’s hope apolitical Russians note the difference. Successful mass movements typically attract the young and good looking and with them the rest of society follows.

    That consideration would have been valid if it weren’t for the experience of the 1990-s. Only a hopeless moron steps on the same garden rake twice. The people of some post-Soviet states might be that stupid, but Russians revolted against traitorous Yeltsin regime as early as 1993.

  918. @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    And what peace deal do you think Russia is offering Ukraine?

    Please be specific.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123

    Peace deal:
    – let Donbas go
    – restore Russian as a second language where Russians live: Odessa, Kharkov…
    – neutral Ukraine with no Nato
    – cede a land corridor along Black Sea to Russia (Kherson…)

    Or it could be worse. Kiev should take the deal if it is offered, but they won’t be allowed. Nato really wants those bases in Ukraine. One wonders why, don’t you? And don’t try the “it is against Iran!” nonsense as Washington with a straight face tried before. Lies that big recouche on the liars.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Beckow

    The official and accommodated languages in much of the soon-to-be-former borderland ("the ukraine") will likely be Russian, Ukrainian, and Tatar, which seems fair enough. It's a lot more fair than what "the ukraine" did and is doing to Russian-speakers.

    And if the Russians are smart and not painfully naive, they will not trust promises from the US, uk, the Kiev regime, the EU, or NATO. Nor will they negotiate as if they are in the weaker position; they're not, whether militarily or economically or morally.

    Keep the Donbass, the entire Black Sea coast of the ukraine, and perhaps more. Then admit the territory to the Russian Federation. Don't be schmucks.

    Replies: @Beckow

  919. A123 says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa
    @LondonBob

    And what peace deal do you think Russia is offering Ukraine?

    Please be specific.

    Replies: @Beckow, @A123


    And what peace deal do you think Russia is offering Ukraine?

    Please be specific

    And what peace deal do you think Ukraine is offering Russia? Please be specific.

    After Zelensky’s rejection of Minsk and initiation of hostilities, any deal will almost certainly be less favourable than that.
    ____

    In many ways, this sort of question is best left unanswered by the critical fugures. Public offers & conditions can easily become red lines that actively impede actual negotiations.

    The most likely path to an armistice is for the parties to meet directly without any preconditions.

    PEACE 😇

  920. @Mr. Hack
    @Sean

    What other options does it have? Russia has put Ukraine into this quandary and there's really no way out, but to stand and defend its existence and viability.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Russia has put Ukraine into this quandary

    Somebody did. Nato plus Russia with very eager assistance from some people in Kiev.

    The first thing to do when in an obvious un-winnable cul-de-sac is to stop the bloodshed. Only Kiev can now do it by simply withdrawing to more defensible lines and asking for a cease fire. Russia after all that has happened (the “demonization” business) cannot stop, they will just go on.

    You already declared a victory for Kiev (many, many times), why not consolidate it? Nato will not let Ukraine go, I am afraid they will insist on a total conflagration that would be a catastrophe for Ukraine.

    The moment of truth is near: is Kiev even in a position to make its own decisions? If not, why are you begging for a sympathy for a client vassal state unable to act in its own interest? All the talk about ‘freedom’ has led to Kiev not even be able to act freely on the most basic stuff, like preserving the state and not dying pointlessly. Quite a ‘freedom’ you have there.

  921. @216
    @AnonfromTN


    Geographically Europe is just a large peninsula of Asia
     
    This is an explicit denial of the European rights of self-determination. The status of Europe as a continent is inviolate, and no one is permitted to disagree.

    Asians have zero moral right to colonize Europe, not the least after their constant screaming about the XIX and XX centuries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Asians have zero moral right to colonize Europe

    Do not worry yourself unnecessarily. Asians have zero desire to colonize Europe. Colonization only makes sense when prospective colony has some assets, which is not the case here. Europe is safe in this regard, it will continue to be colonized by Africans and various Muslims. RIP.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  922. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    According to Wikipedia
     
    Stopped reading at that point. According to the fox, hens are responsible for a break-in into the chicken coop.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

    What proportion of the aged Russian diaspora in the West are as ungrateful and embittered as you?

    Can it really be the leftovers of Soviet ideology that pushed a sort of sour passivity on its citizens, which now comes out as passive aggression so strong that it skews your perception of the world into this nihilistic and, quite frankly, retarded state?

    “In Soviet Union everyone know how great and intelligent I am. In American degenerate culture, nobody recognise it. They are all very stupid. Could not be more stupid. Stupidest ever. I genius.”

    Or maybe, you know, you actually know nothing…

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll? Certainly not, only someone whose best career advancement outside of the imperial “couch force” is burger flipper at McDonalds would hire him/her/itself out as a troll.

    But honest readers might be curious, so this is for them.

    In Soviet times my views were pretty anti-Soviet. I often expressed them, possibly unwisely: I am sure KGB had a file on me. I suspect some people I knew back then were informers. But in the 1970-s and 80-s you had to work really hard to force KGB to make a move on you. Apparently, I did not work hard enough.

    Then I invested 30+ of my most productive years into the US science. I did more for its glory than 99% of the natives. That is why I am mad seeing how American elites are driving the country into the ground. I saw one empire crumbling, and I hate seeing the same signs all over again. I am too old to start from the square one yet another time.

    All mighty empires eventually lose their dominant position, sometimes disappearing from the face of the Earth (e.g., the Roman or Austro-Hungarian Empires), sometimes fading into insignificance (e.g., the British Empire). This process cannot be prevented, but it can be made slow and relatively painless. At the turn of the century the US had a good chance to go into slow dignified decline, which would have lasted 40-60 years. Personally, I would have been happy with this scenario. Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along, as no one wants rapid catastrophic changes. But that would have required wise foreign policy to avoid antagonizing rising powers. Alas…

    The US squandered its chance by overstretching itself. In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”. The US always used “our sons of bitches” in other countries, but it keeps stooping lower and lower. Today the US has a knack of picking the worst shit any nation has to offer and making or at least proclaiming it “government”. That’s what it did in Kiev in 2014. No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball. Just think of the very recent “summit of the Americas”: when something like St Vincent and Grenadines spits in your face, you are beyond salvage. When people laugh at you, this is the end. As imperial attempts to impose sanctions on Russia show, the US has lost ¾ of the world, leading a remaining pack of pathetic losers. What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar. That will affect me directly. Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.

    Of course, those like you are not paid to understand the reality.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Jazman

  923. AP says:
    @Sean
    @Mr. Hack

    It was Biden and his advisors (Blinken freed from Obama's common sense refusal to supply advanced weapons) labouring under the misapprehension that Ukraine had been denied support by Trump that amp up support for Ukraine and tried to ride herd on Russia, thereby and sealing Ukraine's fate. Partisan domestic political considerations ought to be kept out of foreign policy, Zelensky and Biden both blundered into this war by making foreign policy subordinate to worries about rivals.

    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP

    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.

    South Korea did fine despite being under North Korean guns and having North Korea’s massive sponsor China nearby. Poland and NATO are closer to Ukraine then Japan and USA are to South Korea.

    • Replies: @Sean
    @AP

    Poland is a member of Nato so it has Charter Five and the repeated statements of all other nato members that every inch of Nato territory will be defended by all Nato members especially the USA. America has tens of thousands of troops in South Korea and invading it would mean fighting and killing America soldiers and war with America. Ukraine has no such protection as Poland or SK have long had.


    Ukraine would not have been attacked if it had full Nato membership, but it still does not have it and it is not going to get it now. Nato territory will be defended, but that has nothing to do with the circumstances Ukraine will be in after this war. Russia will never forget or forgive, and Ukraine will live in fear of another invasion. It is going to be the most militarized and subsidised society in the world. No choice.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @AP

  924. There we go again:

    – Those two guys in Salisbury don’t have anything to do with the Russian secret service.

    – Those little green men in Crimea are not the Russian troops stationed there.

    – We didn’t shoot down the Malaysian Airlines, it was the Ukrainians.

    – We haven’t been kicked out of Snake Island. We are abandoning it as a gesture of good will.

    People in the West who continue supporting the Kremlin must have had a strong emotional attachment to Russia before this war. But it shouldn’t be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards. In each of those cases, and many more, telling the truth would have served them much better and alienated them less from the Western public opinion. Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West. The Iranian Ayatollahs themselves understood after a couple of days that admitting their guilt in the downing of the Ukrainian plane was the only sensible course of action. Sovok boomers look unable to understand this and are adding a PR disaster of their own making to a tactical defeat.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikel

    This type of argument, that they make, already reached its apotheosis into god-tier ridiculousness with "we haven't invaded Ukraine, Ukraine started it."

    Every single ordinary person who reads a line like that will be instantly repelled.

    And it only gets worse. People like Ron Unz are now trying to introduce the argument to these morons that "Russia had to attack, because Ukraine, with the US, was developing bioweapons specifically targeted at Russians to spread with birds."

    Yes, the rabbit hole of mindf*cked delusion seems to have no end.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @LatW
    @Mikel


    But it shouldn’t be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards.
     
    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia's neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.

    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy. For years these "dissidents" not only undeservedly humiliated and mocked Ukraine, but also trashed the West, including the Western armies and morality, which made Russia believe that the West is weak and morally and militarily tapped out and would crumble. This emboldened the Russian imperialist ideologues to strike. The Western Russophiles are partly responsible for the death of the 6 year old Ukrainian girl who died under the rubble in her bed from the Russian strikes and who's photo is now circulating on social media.


    Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West.
     
    You're completely delusional about the Russian character. These Russians who are in charge now and their supporters (70% of the Russian population) will NEVER admit any kind of guilt for any of their past or present criminal acts.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

  925. @AnonfromTN
    @Mr. Hack


    According to Wikipedia
     
    Stopped reading at that point. According to the fox, hens are responsible for a break-in into the chicken coop.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Mr. Hack

    According to the fox, hens are responsible for a break-in into the chicken coop.

    Sounds to me like Russian soldiers (orcs) up to their thieving ways in Ukraine again:

    Russian soldiers stealing chickens in Ukraine. 🙂

  926. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    Your pontificating to me about "gifts" and "sacred" and best of all "haunting" are a real stitch. :-)

    You should consider opening up a private school where you'd be able to share your wisdom with a larger audience:

    https://www.animationmagazine.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/caspers-scare-school-post.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    You need to stop posting your own picture. Yak, that head is too swollen, try some lemon juice at night…

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    "Yak"? I think that the proper English word that you're trying to express is "yuck". And "yuck" expresses my aversion towards your misspelling of the word "sea" as "see" as you so often do here. Learn to spell correctly, It'll help you better express yourself, it may also help you get a raise from the troll farmers in Russia. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

  927. • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mikhail

    Svidomy never disappoint. Western cucks who donated crypto to @Ukraine appear to have been rugged (no sign of it being cashed out in months; shady NFT purchases from collections whose owners subsequently washed out their ETH with Tornado Cash).

    https://twitter.com/Big_Mangust/status/1541544001001635840

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  928. • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Mikhail

    Send Poroshenko's son to the front with Hack.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    The wife seems angry that they caught them. That picture tells us all we need to know about the Kiev comprador class.

    I wonder what they had for desert. Porky looks...well, he looks even more porky than usually...

  929. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Mikel
    There we go again:

    - Those two guys in Salisbury don't have anything to do with the Russian secret service.

    - Those little green men in Crimea are not the Russian troops stationed there.

    - We didn't shoot down the Malaysian Airlines, it was the Ukrainians.

    - We haven't been kicked out of Snake Island. We are abandoning it as a gesture of good will.

    People in the West who continue supporting the Kremlin must have had a strong emotional attachment to Russia before this war. But it shouldn't be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards. In each of those cases, and many more, telling the truth would have served them much better and alienated them less from the Western public opinion. Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West. The Iranian Ayatollahs themselves understood after a couple of days that admitting their guilt in the downing of the Ukrainian plane was the only sensible course of action. Sovok boomers look unable to understand this and are adding a PR disaster of their own making to a tactical defeat.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    This type of argument, that they make, already reached its apotheosis into god-tier ridiculousness with “we haven’t invaded Ukraine, Ukraine started it.”

    Every single ordinary person who reads a line like that will be instantly repelled.

    And it only gets worse. People like Ron Unz are now trying to introduce the argument to these morons that “Russia had to attack, because Ukraine, with the US, was developing bioweapons specifically targeted at Russians to spread with birds.”

    Yes, the rabbit hole of mindf*cked delusion seems to have no end.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Our resident hasbara agent, kremlinstoogeA123, has also adopted these bizarre looney tunes within his spiel. Somehow, within the confines of his twisted thinking he has also pinpointed Ukraine as the "aggressor" in this war, even though Russian troops have clearly crossed Ukraine's borders and fomented an incredibly large and malicious war within Ukraine. He recently stated within this thread, this totally ludicrous statement:


    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.
     
    Is he, by your standards, ready yet to be assisted to a high security mental ward yet?
  930. Bojo on Women –

    https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-putin-woman-war-ukraine-wouldnt-invade-2022-6?amp

    Regarding his PC sexist BS –

    In more recent times, Madeleine Albright and Hillary Clinton haven’t been reluctant to use force.

  931. @AP
    @Sean


    Ukraine cannot end up winning the war because come what may Russia will still be there and posing a potential threat that Ukraine will have to make its priority for the foreseeable future.
     
    South Korea did fine despite being under North Korean guns and having North Korea’s massive sponsor China nearby. Poland and NATO are closer to Ukraine then Japan and USA are to South Korea.

    Replies: @Sean

    Poland is a member of Nato so it has Charter Five and the repeated statements of all other nato members that every inch of Nato territory will be defended by all Nato members especially the USA. America has tens of thousands of troops in South Korea and invading it would mean fighting and killing America soldiers and war with America. Ukraine has no such protection as Poland or SK have long had.

    Ukraine would not have been attacked if it had full Nato membership, but it still does not have it and it is not going to get it now. Nato territory will be defended, but that has nothing to do with the circumstances Ukraine will be in after this war. Russia will never forget or forgive, and Ukraine will live in fear of another invasion. It is going to be the most militarized and subsidised society in the world. No choice.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Sean

    ... And you assume Putin isn't planning for an all-out war with the US after seizing the Baltics and Finland, possibly while China attacks Taiwan, NK attacks SK, and both attacking Japan.

    I guess this and the outcome of billions of deaths have been mapped out in Davos? I don't trust leaders who appeared there a lot, no matter what they are saying, and that means every last one of them. Only what they do matters. (same for Hitler or Stalin or FDR)

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @AP
    @Sean

    During the Cold War, NK did fight America. An armistice was signed but not an official peace treaty, its essentially just a cease-fire. There have been a couple hundred violations over the years.

    Yet despite this uncertainty, South Korea prospered. It has had to spend a lot on its military (prior to its economy taking off, about 7% of SK’s GDP went to the military) as will Ukraine.

    Do you think that if SK didn’t host US troops but merely had US weapons and access to US intelligence and training for its large well-trained forces, NK and its Chinese sponsor would have initiated another invasion?

    After this war, Ukraine will be left with a large well-experienced and equipped military. It has shown that it is capable and willing to defend itself. Russia invaded because its leaders stupidly assumed that Ukraine would lose quickly and easily. Given that this is no longer the case, no reason to assume that Russia would be eager to try again, particularly if the eventual outcome will be an actual recognition of whatever boundary and not merely a cease-fire as in the case of the Koreas.

    Replies: @LondonBob

  932. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You need to stop posting your own picture. Yak, that head is too swollen, try some lemon juice at night...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “Yak”? I think that the proper English word that you’re trying to express is “yuck”. And “yuck” expresses my aversion towards your misspelling of the word “sea” as “see” as you so often do here. Learn to spell correctly, It’ll help you better express yourself, it may also help you get a raise from the troll farmers in Russia. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    I missed a "c", and you posted your own giant head...I will take that trade-off...

  933. @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry

    https://i.postimg.cc/Y07Hx6bb/Radiotehnika-K-101-with-S-30.jpg

    Radiotehnika K-101 with S-30 speakers.

    Soviet Hi-Fi gear was not bad. But Russian Союз hand-crafted microphones are the best.

    https://soyuzmicrophones.com/our-story

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @LatW

    Radiotehnika K-101 with S-30 speakers.

    This company is not purely a Soviet creation. It was originally started as a small shop by a Jewish guy in 1926 (during the first Latvian Republic). Then soon a Latvian engineer took over it and built it up, he used some Siemens technology and also built up a lot of his own (he was in charge of the factory in the 1940s but was persecuted in the 1950s). My dad helped make those speakers (he was in charge of galvanizing, he was good at chemistry), and that amplifier was pretty cool, it was fun playing with those loudness controls when I was little.

  934. @Coconuts
    @AnonfromTN


    It’s a separate civilization that absorbed and digested a lot of elements of the European and Asian ones and came out unique. Not to mention that today prevailing Russian feelings towards pathetic European imperial vassals are disgust and contempt.
     
    Doesn't this mirror the feelings of many Europeans about Russia following both the end of the Romanovs and the fall of the USSR, from world superpower to declining postmodern gangsta regime and future China-vassal?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Doesn’t this mirror the feelings of many Europeans about Russia

    Maybe. Who cares? The feelings of the Europeans are totally irrelevant. They are disregarded by their imperial suzerain, as well as everybody else.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @216
    @AnonfromTN

    The EU is always petulant whenever a Republican is in office, RF Anti-American propaganda is always written by leftists whining about "imperialism". It doesn't reflect reality. The EU actively interfered in US elections to get the tariffs dropped, and refused to join the US tariffs against China.

    Vassals are supposed to pay tribute to the liegelord. But it is the US which subsidies EU welfare statism by spending 4% on military, and most EU countries will not reach 2% for many years to come.

    And surely all of our vassals will be chomping at the bit to give their subjects an abortion ban and shall-issue concealed carry?

    RF only lets you have rubber bullets.

  935. @Triteleia Laxa
    @Mikel

    This type of argument, that they make, already reached its apotheosis into god-tier ridiculousness with "we haven't invaded Ukraine, Ukraine started it."

    Every single ordinary person who reads a line like that will be instantly repelled.

    And it only gets worse. People like Ron Unz are now trying to introduce the argument to these morons that "Russia had to attack, because Ukraine, with the US, was developing bioweapons specifically targeted at Russians to spread with birds."

    Yes, the rabbit hole of mindf*cked delusion seems to have no end.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Our resident hasbara agent, kremlinstoogeA123, has also adopted these bizarre looney tunes within his spiel. Somehow, within the confines of his twisted thinking he has also pinpointed Ukraine as the “aggressor” in this war, even though Russian troops have clearly crossed Ukraine’s borders and fomented an incredibly large and malicious war within Ukraine. He recently stated within this thread, this totally ludicrous statement:

    Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    Is he, by your standards, ready yet to be assisted to a high security mental ward yet?

  936. @YetAnotherAnon
    I see Russia are leaving Snake Island.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/30/ukraine-forces-reportedly-recapture-snake-island-in-strategic-win


    Russia’s ministry of defence stated that it had completed its assigned tasks and was tactically withdrawing to allow for grain exports from Ukraine’s Black Sea ports.

    “In order to organise humanitarian grain corridors as part of the implementation of joint agreements reached with the participation of the UN, the Russian Federation decided to leave its positions on Zmiinyi Island,” the defence ministry said.
     

    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    "We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. "

    Looks as if this has come to pass.

    Discussions here tend to be "US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master" vs "Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!" which I don't think illuminates much.

    It's possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it's highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war, but it's a tribute to their complete control of the narrative that Europe/UK political elites are impoverishing their own citizens with 10%-plus inflation, having previously impoverished them via mass immigration, and seem to be getting away with it.

    I think we all should order our potassium iodide or iodate tablets in good time, as this could get a whole lot worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131#Common_treatment_method

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob, @LatW, @Barbarossa

    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    “We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. ”

    Looks as if this has come to pass.

    It seems that the first HIMARS system arrived in Ukraine shortly before Midsummer (June23-24). The feedback from Ukrainians is that it is very accurate (only a small number is provided). As a result of those hits, the supplies were cut on the island and those Russian guys would’ve died (there’s no water or any other resources there).

    The Greeks used to call this island the Achilles Island. And there was apparently even an Achilles temple there.

    The only way for Ukraine to succeed in this war is with what I’d call the Simo Häyhä method. With higher accuracy and efficiency (the only way to reach anything resembling parity).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @LatW

    There is no way for the Ukraine to win, NATO has been successfully sucked in to a quagmire.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  937. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    What proportion of the aged Russian diaspora in the West are as ungrateful and embittered as you?

    Can it really be the leftovers of Soviet ideology that pushed a sort of sour passivity on its citizens, which now comes out as passive aggression so strong that it skews your perception of the world into this nihilistic and, quite frankly, retarded state?

    "In Soviet Union everyone know how great and intelligent I am. In American degenerate culture, nobody recognise it. They are all very stupid. Could not be more stupid. Stupidest ever. I genius."

    Or maybe, you know, you actually know nothing...

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll? Certainly not, only someone whose best career advancement outside of the imperial “couch force” is burger flipper at McDonalds would hire him/her/itself out as a troll.

    But honest readers might be curious, so this is for them.

    In Soviet times my views were pretty anti-Soviet. I often expressed them, possibly unwisely: I am sure KGB had a file on me. I suspect some people I knew back then were informers. But in the 1970-s and 80-s you had to work really hard to force KGB to make a move on you. Apparently, I did not work hard enough.

    Then I invested 30+ of my most productive years into the US science. I did more for its glory than 99% of the natives. That is why I am mad seeing how American elites are driving the country into the ground. I saw one empire crumbling, and I hate seeing the same signs all over again. I am too old to start from the square one yet another time.

    All mighty empires eventually lose their dominant position, sometimes disappearing from the face of the Earth (e.g., the Roman or Austro-Hungarian Empires), sometimes fading into insignificance (e.g., the British Empire). This process cannot be prevented, but it can be made slow and relatively painless. At the turn of the century the US had a good chance to go into slow dignified decline, which would have lasted 40-60 years. Personally, I would have been happy with this scenario. Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along, as no one wants rapid catastrophic changes. But that would have required wise foreign policy to avoid antagonizing rising powers. Alas…

    The US squandered its chance by overstretching itself. In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”. The US always used “our sons of bitches” in other countries, but it keeps stooping lower and lower. Today the US has a knack of picking the worst shit any nation has to offer and making or at least proclaiming it “government”. That’s what it did in Kiev in 2014. No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball. Just think of the very recent “summit of the Americas”: when something like St Vincent and Grenadines spits in your face, you are beyond salvage. When people laugh at you, this is the end. As imperial attempts to impose sanctions on Russia show, the US has lost ¾ of the world, leading a remaining pack of pathetic losers. What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar. That will affect me directly. Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.

    Of course, those like you are not paid to understand the reality.

    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN


    Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along
     
    You think that Russia is an "emerging power?"

    You're totally deluded.

    In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”.
     
    The US has the best allies. Compare, US is on the left and China on right:

    EU - Russia
    Brazil - Venezuela
    Canada - Cuba
    Israel - Iran
    Thailand - Myanmar
    India - Pakistan
    Japan, South Korea, Taiwan - N Korea

    No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball.
     
    Failure at the margins is inevitable. The only question is how far do you travel in success before you get to the margins. As you can see above, the US goes a very long way. While China goes very little distance, and Russia gets a few kilometres past its borders

    What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar.
     
    The Dollar has barely ever been stronger, and your predictions will be proven wrong again.

    Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.
     
    Actually the elites cater to what the public wants extremely well. This is why political violence is about the lowest it has ever been in any time and any place.

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll?
     
    There's no such organisation that could afford me, but, if you really think that, and yet subsequently explained yourself, it shows me just how accurate my previous comment about you was. Spot on. Ever wonder how I can do that?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    There is lot of people that like to read your comments and to be honest I was pissed when you left :)

    Replies: @A123

  938. @Mikel
    There we go again:

    - Those two guys in Salisbury don't have anything to do with the Russian secret service.

    - Those little green men in Crimea are not the Russian troops stationed there.

    - We didn't shoot down the Malaysian Airlines, it was the Ukrainians.

    - We haven't been kicked out of Snake Island. We are abandoning it as a gesture of good will.

    People in the West who continue supporting the Kremlin must have had a strong emotional attachment to Russia before this war. But it shouldn't be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards. In each of those cases, and many more, telling the truth would have served them much better and alienated them less from the Western public opinion. Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West. The Iranian Ayatollahs themselves understood after a couple of days that admitting their guilt in the downing of the Ukrainian plane was the only sensible course of action. Sovok boomers look unable to understand this and are adding a PR disaster of their own making to a tactical defeat.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LatW

    But it shouldn’t be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards.

    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia’s neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.

    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy. For years these “dissidents” not only undeservedly humiliated and mocked Ukraine, but also trashed the West, including the Western armies and morality, which made Russia believe that the West is weak and morally and militarily tapped out and would crumble. This emboldened the Russian imperialist ideologues to strike. The Western Russophiles are partly responsible for the death of the 6 year old Ukrainian girl who died under the rubble in her bed from the Russian strikes and who’s photo is now circulating on social media.

    Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West.

    You’re completely delusional about the Russian character. These Russians who are in charge now and their supporters (70% of the Russian population) will NEVER admit any kind of guilt for any of their past or present criminal acts.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to.
     
    Really? Other than your desperate what-aboutism you are also wrong. NATO killed 2k civilians in Serbia, at least 100k in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. Kiev killed 3k civilians in Donbas, plus the Odessa massacre. Georgia attacked S Ossetia and murdered 150 people in one evening - plus 10 Russian peace-keepers who were there with UN mandate. We could go on and on...Higher standards? Do you know math?

    The absolute unwillingness of the Ukie enthusiasts to address the 800-pound elephant in the room: NATO's 20-year unpunished rampage around the world, their complete drop of any international rules or even simple decency - and the endless boasting they did about it, giving themselves awards, etc... That is the context for this war, you cannot wish it away. How about the children in Beograd and Baghdad who were killed? I suppose, by your logic the likes of you are responsible for it. That gives you no standing to scream at others. Hypocrisy is not a minor flaw, hypocrites are usually disqualified and ignored.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can't? What is the answer?

    Kiev was itching to join the organization that did this around the world, including in Europe. Thus they own the things NATO did. The complete foam-in-the-mouth morons like Aether are beyond reach, but you used to be more level-headed.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @LatW


    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia’s neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.
     
    Nonsense. I don't mind making a U-turn when the evidence shows that I'm wrong but the fact is that right now I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.

    I couldn't feel less sorry for having opposed Ukraine's killing of its own civilians when they tried to retake Donbass and you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia's actions (eg Skripal) before this war.

    But, as I once told Mr Hack, I do regret that once or twice I used some unflattering language about Ukrainians, which is a different thing altogether. At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.


    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy.
     
    I think that the opposite is clearly true. By unleashing this war Putin has decided to give up on the West altogether and burn all bridges with the few allies he had among us. He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he's been demonized and sanctioned for being.

    But as I said, the Russians are also to blame due to their duplicity and lack of understanding of the Western mentality.


    You’re completely delusional about the Russian character.
     
    It's not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia's neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them? I didn't see much evidence of that during the 1st Donbass War and the fact that you interpret my comment as a "180" (if not as an endorsement of Ukraine) suggests that you can also be a victim of the "with me or against me" attitude that prevails East of you.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin's own party) who have expressed opposition to this war. I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war. There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine's own interest but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war. There must have been lots of people in Ukraine that opposed the Donbass war, especially among the voters of pro-Russian parties, but it looks like criticizing it was off-limits in the Ukrainian public discourse, contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

  939. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    "Yak"? I think that the proper English word that you're trying to express is "yuck". And "yuck" expresses my aversion towards your misspelling of the word "sea" as "see" as you so often do here. Learn to spell correctly, It'll help you better express yourself, it may also help you get a raise from the troll farmers in Russia. :-)

    Replies: @Beckow

    I missed a “c“, and you posted your own giant head…I will take that trade-off…

  940. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll? Certainly not, only someone whose best career advancement outside of the imperial “couch force” is burger flipper at McDonalds would hire him/her/itself out as a troll.

    But honest readers might be curious, so this is for them.

    In Soviet times my views were pretty anti-Soviet. I often expressed them, possibly unwisely: I am sure KGB had a file on me. I suspect some people I knew back then were informers. But in the 1970-s and 80-s you had to work really hard to force KGB to make a move on you. Apparently, I did not work hard enough.

    Then I invested 30+ of my most productive years into the US science. I did more for its glory than 99% of the natives. That is why I am mad seeing how American elites are driving the country into the ground. I saw one empire crumbling, and I hate seeing the same signs all over again. I am too old to start from the square one yet another time.

    All mighty empires eventually lose their dominant position, sometimes disappearing from the face of the Earth (e.g., the Roman or Austro-Hungarian Empires), sometimes fading into insignificance (e.g., the British Empire). This process cannot be prevented, but it can be made slow and relatively painless. At the turn of the century the US had a good chance to go into slow dignified decline, which would have lasted 40-60 years. Personally, I would have been happy with this scenario. Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along, as no one wants rapid catastrophic changes. But that would have required wise foreign policy to avoid antagonizing rising powers. Alas…

    The US squandered its chance by overstretching itself. In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”. The US always used “our sons of bitches” in other countries, but it keeps stooping lower and lower. Today the US has a knack of picking the worst shit any nation has to offer and making or at least proclaiming it “government”. That’s what it did in Kiev in 2014. No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball. Just think of the very recent “summit of the Americas”: when something like St Vincent and Grenadines spits in your face, you are beyond salvage. When people laugh at you, this is the end. As imperial attempts to impose sanctions on Russia show, the US has lost ¾ of the world, leading a remaining pack of pathetic losers. What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar. That will affect me directly. Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.

    Of course, those like you are not paid to understand the reality.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Jazman

    Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along

    You think that Russia is an “emerging power?”

    You’re totally deluded.

    In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”.

    The US has the best allies. Compare, US is on the left and China on right:

    EU – Russia
    Brazil – Venezuela
    Canada – Cuba
    Israel – Iran
    Thailand – Myanmar
    India – Pakistan
    Japan, South Korea, Taiwan – N Korea

    No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball.

    Failure at the margins is inevitable. The only question is how far do you travel in success before you get to the margins. As you can see above, the US goes a very long way. While China goes very little distance, and Russia gets a few kilometres past its borders

    What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar.

    The Dollar has barely ever been stronger, and your predictions will be proven wrong again.

    Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.

    Actually the elites cater to what the public wants extremely well. This is why political violence is about the lowest it has ever been in any time and any place.

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll?

    There’s no such organisation that could afford me, but, if you really think that, and yet subsequently explained yourself, it shows me just how accurate my previous comment about you was. Spot on. Ever wonder how I can do that?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Now you all have a chance to watch how a troll operates. Note that it’s very hard to argue that 2x2=5, but that never stops imperial propaganda.

    Key strategy: ignore everything that is too straightforward to twist, in all other cases redirect the conversation.

    Just one example of each strategy.

    Ignore. Recent shameful flop with the summit of the Americas called by the US. Lots of countries boycotted it in protest of the fact that the US did not invite Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. That number included presumed US ally Mexico. A few more showed up and poured shit on the empire. Imperial propaganda cannot put a winning twist on this, so the only option is to pretend it never happened.

    Redirect conversation. Empire-inspired sanctions on Russia. The reality is dismal for the US. Asia: only US-occupied Japan and South Korea and US-dependent Taiwan (that the US does not have courage to recognize as a country officially) introduced sanctions. No other Asian country did, neither the most populous China, India, or Indonesia, nor presumed US allies Israel, Saudis, Bahrein, Kuwait, etc. Africa: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Latin America: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Europe: US lapdogs in NATO and EU did (despite a huge damage to their economies), but presumed US-friendly Moldova and Georgia didn’t. To add insult to injury, many of the European countries that sanctioned Russia are buying its natural gas via Putin-imposed “for rubles” scheme.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Triteleia Laxa

  941. @Sean
    @AP

    Poland is a member of Nato so it has Charter Five and the repeated statements of all other nato members that every inch of Nato territory will be defended by all Nato members especially the USA. America has tens of thousands of troops in South Korea and invading it would mean fighting and killing America soldiers and war with America. Ukraine has no such protection as Poland or SK have long had.


    Ukraine would not have been attacked if it had full Nato membership, but it still does not have it and it is not going to get it now. Nato territory will be defended, but that has nothing to do with the circumstances Ukraine will be in after this war. Russia will never forget or forgive, and Ukraine will live in fear of another invasion. It is going to be the most militarized and subsidised society in the world. No choice.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @AP

    … And you assume Putin isn’t planning for an all-out war with the US after seizing the Baltics and Finland, possibly while China attacks Taiwan, NK attacks SK, and both attacking Japan.

    I guess this and the outcome of billions of deaths have been mapped out in Davos? I don’t trust leaders who appeared there a lot, no matter what they are saying, and that means every last one of them. Only what they do matters. (same for Hitler or Stalin or FDR)

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Yellowface Anon


    And you assume Putin isn’t planning for an all-out war with the US after seizing the Baltics and Finland
     
    Putin just failed to seize and hold the Snake Island.
  942. @LatW
    @Mikel


    But it shouldn’t be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards.
     
    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia's neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.

    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy. For years these "dissidents" not only undeservedly humiliated and mocked Ukraine, but also trashed the West, including the Western armies and morality, which made Russia believe that the West is weak and morally and militarily tapped out and would crumble. This emboldened the Russian imperialist ideologues to strike. The Western Russophiles are partly responsible for the death of the 6 year old Ukrainian girl who died under the rubble in her bed from the Russian strikes and who's photo is now circulating on social media.


    Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West.
     
    You're completely delusional about the Russian character. These Russians who are in charge now and their supporters (70% of the Russian population) will NEVER admit any kind of guilt for any of their past or present criminal acts.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

    …much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to.

    Really? Other than your desperate what-aboutism you are also wrong. NATO killed 2k civilians in Serbia, at least 100k in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. Kiev killed 3k civilians in Donbas, plus the Odessa massacre. Georgia attacked S Ossetia and murdered 150 people in one evening – plus 10 Russian peace-keepers who were there with UN mandate. We could go on and on…Higher standards? Do you know math?

    The absolute unwillingness of the Ukie enthusiasts to address the 800-pound elephant in the room: NATO’s 20-year unpunished rampage around the world, their complete drop of any international rules or even simple decency – and the endless boasting they did about it, giving themselves awards, etc… That is the context for this war, you cannot wish it away. How about the children in Beograd and Baghdad who were killed? I suppose, by your logic the likes of you are responsible for it. That gives you no standing to scream at others. Hypocrisy is not a minor flaw, hypocrites are usually disqualified and ignored.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can’t? What is the answer?

    Kiev was itching to join the organization that did this around the world, including in Europe. Thus they own the things NATO did. The complete foam-in-the-mouth morons like Aether are beyond reach, but you used to be more level-headed.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Higher standards?
     
    Look, I wasn't talking about NATO vs Russia. I was talking specifically about the way the likes of Mikel (for years) addressed the Donbas issue. And how they were attacking my people as well (undeservedly). Ukraine was the victim there and was forced to defend itself. Plenty of Ukrainians were killed by the Russians (including wounded deliberately killed off in Ilovaisk), yet the likes of Mikel held the Ukrainians to a much higher standard of guilt.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can’t? What is the answer?
     
    You know, you're really going out of your way to pull this "guilt by association" BS. I'm talking purely about states that deserve to be sovereign to protect their nations. Ukraine up until 2014 wasn't even seriously considering a Western orientation. Russia waged wars all the way from 1993.


    but you used to be more level-headed.
     
    Russia didn't yet used to murder children in their sleep at the current levels (although they did do it in Syria), Russia didn't yet used to bomb near where my maternal heritage is at, and had not yet stepped on a genocidal path. All they deserve is cold, calculating hatred from now on.

    p.s. You turn really boring when you do the broken record of "Serbia" over and over. I was young at the time but I do remember reading about those atrocities at the time (especially the ones affecting women). Alas, life is complex, we did the right thing by joining NATO -- it is more than obvious now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow

    And, Beckow, please do not pretend to not know how Americans were treated internationally, on a personal lever, after Bush and Iraq. They were regularly cussed out, especially by Western Europeans.

    Replies: @Beckow

  943. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    It’s therefore prudent to not automatically believe everything that government says before a fully substantiated overview.
     
    Believe me I'm not. Every member of my family in Ukraine curses the day that Putler was born. Every other Ukrainian that I've talked to lately also hates him. Only kremlin stooges like you think highly about him and will try and do all manner of sanitization to whitewash his evil and sinister ways. But you'll find out soon enough that no amount of "ethnic sanitizer" will be able to cleanse his hands of Ukrainian blood, or of those who support and shill for him, like you. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail, @RadicalCenter

    Funny, we just made the acquaintance of a ukrainian woman living in Georgia (married to a Georgian, settled there), and she tended to “understand why” Russia felt the necessity to do what it did. She was from Zaporizhzhia. There’s some countervailing anecdotal evidence.

    But she must just be a Kremlin stooge as well, eh?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @RadicalCenter

    You know, those mixed marriage, mail order Ukrainian bride situations don't usually last very long?...

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/32/7c/62327c92cf6488274cc8c05dd49a3526.jpg

    Don't believe anything that they tell you. :-)

    (I think that Beckow has had a couple of failed marriages because of these sorts of scams).

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  944. @Mikhail
    Great optics -

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1542249016334983168

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Beckow

    Send Poroshenko’s son to the front with Hack.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @RadicalCenter

    Chicken Kiev, Z Man & Scots in Russia


    Send Poroshenko’s son to the front with Hack.
     
    No Melnyk or AP?

    Shifting gears, a great reply to a Natasha Bertrand prop of Zelensky -

    https://twitter.com/MarkSleboda1/status/1542391146030067712

    It's understandable why Mark Sleboda hasn't been on Al Jazeera, France 24 and the BBC in a while. Not quite clear why that's so with RT. Sleboda's most recent appearances -

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/mark-sleboda-moscow-based-international-affairs-security-analyst-and-a-former-contributing-political-analyst-at-rt-6-28-22/

    https://rumble.com/v1ah421-06-29-22-the-backstory.html

    Interesting -

    https://www.rbth.com/history/335175-5-scotsmen-who-nobly-served?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Email

  945. @Mikhail
    Great optics -

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1542249016334983168

    Replies: @RadicalCenter, @Beckow

    The wife seems angry that they caught them. That picture tells us all we need to know about the Kiev comprador class.

    I wonder what they had for desert. Porky looks…well, he looks even more porky than usually…

    • Agree: Mikhail
  946. @Beckow
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Peace deal:
    - let Donbas go
    - restore Russian as a second language where Russians live: Odessa, Kharkov...
    - neutral Ukraine with no Nato
    - cede a land corridor along Black Sea to Russia (Kherson...)

    Or it could be worse. Kiev should take the deal if it is offered, but they won't be allowed. Nato really wants those bases in Ukraine. One wonders why, don't you? And don't try the "it is against Iran!" nonsense as Washington with a straight face tried before. Lies that big recouche on the liars.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    The official and accommodated languages in much of the soon-to-be-former borderland (“the ukraine”) will likely be Russian, Ukrainian, and Tatar, which seems fair enough. It’s a lot more fair than what “the ukraine” did and is doing to Russian-speakers.

    And if the Russians are smart and not painfully naive, they will not trust promises from the US, uk, the Kiev regime, the EU, or NATO. Nor will they negotiate as if they are in the weaker position; they’re not, whether militarily or economically or morally.

    Keep the Donbass, the entire Black Sea coast of the ukraine, and perhaps more. Then admit the territory to the Russian Federation. Don’t be schmucks.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @RadicalCenter


    ...Keep the Donbass, the entire Black Sea coast of the ukraine, and perhaps more. Then admit the territory to the Russian Federation.
     
    The 'more' part is the big unknown. There also probably won't be much negotiating until the situation on the ground is clearer. One or the other has to break, the odds are high that it will Kiev.

    Aether will switch from looking for "delusions" everywhere to denouncing reality and demanding that nobody recognizes it. That is always helpful, just pretend that it is not there...
  947. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to.
     
    Really? Other than your desperate what-aboutism you are also wrong. NATO killed 2k civilians in Serbia, at least 100k in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. Kiev killed 3k civilians in Donbas, plus the Odessa massacre. Georgia attacked S Ossetia and murdered 150 people in one evening - plus 10 Russian peace-keepers who were there with UN mandate. We could go on and on...Higher standards? Do you know math?

    The absolute unwillingness of the Ukie enthusiasts to address the 800-pound elephant in the room: NATO's 20-year unpunished rampage around the world, their complete drop of any international rules or even simple decency - and the endless boasting they did about it, giving themselves awards, etc... That is the context for this war, you cannot wish it away. How about the children in Beograd and Baghdad who were killed? I suppose, by your logic the likes of you are responsible for it. That gives you no standing to scream at others. Hypocrisy is not a minor flaw, hypocrites are usually disqualified and ignored.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can't? What is the answer?

    Kiev was itching to join the organization that did this around the world, including in Europe. Thus they own the things NATO did. The complete foam-in-the-mouth morons like Aether are beyond reach, but you used to be more level-headed.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    Higher standards?

    Look, I wasn’t talking about NATO vs Russia. I was talking specifically about the way the likes of Mikel (for years) addressed the Donbas issue. And how they were attacking my people as well (undeservedly). Ukraine was the victim there and was forced to defend itself. Plenty of Ukrainians were killed by the Russians (including wounded deliberately killed off in Ilovaisk), yet the likes of Mikel held the Ukrainians to a much higher standard of guilt.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can’t? What is the answer?

    You know, you’re really going out of your way to pull this “guilt by association” BS. I’m talking purely about states that deserve to be sovereign to protect their nations. Ukraine up until 2014 wasn’t even seriously considering a Western orientation. Russia waged wars all the way from 1993.

    but you used to be more level-headed.

    Russia didn’t yet used to murder children in their sleep at the current levels (although they did do it in Syria), Russia didn’t yet used to bomb near where my maternal heritage is at, and had not yet stepped on a genocidal path. All they deserve is cold, calculating hatred from now on.

    p.s. You turn really boring when you do the broken record of “Serbia” over and over. I was young at the time but I do remember reading about those atrocities at the time (especially the ones affecting women). Alas, life is complex, we did the right thing by joining NATO — it is more than obvious now.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Ukraine fucked around in Iraq.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...this “guilt by association” BS
     
    When we point out to you that NATO and its wanna-be enthusiastic sidekick in Kiev did things that were worse than this war Russia had started (or continued), and did them first, all you can answer is a lame cliche of "guilt by association", or even more lame "broken record" defense.

    Not really: the NATO wars that I listed happened recently, they were bloody, killed civilians, and there was no - zero - consequence. That in world's view disqualifies NATO and its eager sidekicks from complaining about Russia now doing the same. That's the view among 60-75% of global population - check out Pew surveys. Suddenly it is "complex". Sure it is, so is this war.


    Ukraine up until 2014 wasn’t even seriously considering a Western orientation.
     
    What was the "Orange Revolution" of 2004-5, and the very pro-Western gment in Kiev 2005-10?

    All they deserve is cold, calculating hatred from now on.
     
    Enjoy. You will get it back, and all sides will be worse off. There was a much better alternative if Kiev had any sense of reality. Instead they actively and stupidly provoked this carnage. They will lose even what they had, being a vassal has a high price.
  948. @RadicalCenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Funny, we just made the acquaintance of a ukrainian woman living in Georgia (married to a Georgian, settled there), and she tended to "understand why" Russia felt the necessity to do what it did. She was from Zaporizhzhia. There's some countervailing anecdotal evidence.

    But she must just be a Kremlin stooge as well, eh?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You know, those mixed marriage, mail order Ukrainian bride situations don’t usually last very long?…


    Don’t believe anything that they tell you. 🙂

    (I think that Beckow has had a couple of failed marriages because of these sorts of scams).

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Joking aside, she met her husband in a way that Your Highness might approve of, meeting while on vacation and then dating, falling in love, etc. So let's try again. Is she a Russian stooge because she has an opinion you don't share?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  949. @Coconuts
    @songbird

    There is already a study of Lord Steve's cinematic oeuvre called 'Seagalology', a biography would be a good companion for that work. They could make the biopic by distilling down the essential parts of the biography, highlighting the background behind some of his greatest roles and portrayals; Nico, Gino, Jonathan Cold, Elijah Kane, Mr. Alexander etc.

    I do wonder with Lord Steve to what extent life imitated art, or maybe the other way around?

    I watched a fairly recent Russian detective drama where the hero was a champion of the theories of Cesare Lombroso, which he had completely perfected, so he could always identify the criminal via study of their facial features and traits. This was quite based when you think about it, I was thinking at the time, someone should pitch this concept to the BBC.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @songbird

    There seems to be an interesting subculture on youtube about criticizing Seagall:

    For example, uploaded in the last hour:

    And in the last 24:

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  950. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to.
     
    Really? Other than your desperate what-aboutism you are also wrong. NATO killed 2k civilians in Serbia, at least 100k in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. Kiev killed 3k civilians in Donbas, plus the Odessa massacre. Georgia attacked S Ossetia and murdered 150 people in one evening - plus 10 Russian peace-keepers who were there with UN mandate. We could go on and on...Higher standards? Do you know math?

    The absolute unwillingness of the Ukie enthusiasts to address the 800-pound elephant in the room: NATO's 20-year unpunished rampage around the world, their complete drop of any international rules or even simple decency - and the endless boasting they did about it, giving themselves awards, etc... That is the context for this war, you cannot wish it away. How about the children in Beograd and Baghdad who were killed? I suppose, by your logic the likes of you are responsible for it. That gives you no standing to scream at others. Hypocrisy is not a minor flaw, hypocrites are usually disqualified and ignored.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can't? What is the answer?

    Kiev was itching to join the organization that did this around the world, including in Europe. Thus they own the things NATO did. The complete foam-in-the-mouth morons like Aether are beyond reach, but you used to be more level-headed.

    Replies: @LatW, @LatW

    And, Beckow, please do not pretend to not know how Americans were treated internationally, on a personal lever, after Bush and Iraq. They were regularly cussed out, especially by Western Europeans.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...how Americans were treated internationally, on a personal lever, after Bush and Iraq. They were regularly cussed out
     
    I will make you a deal: next Russian I run into I will cuss him out (or even her!). That will show them.

    There is also that scene in In Bruges:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr8Jw-VYflY

    The noble Western European confused a Canadian for a Yankee, but it sent a message. So you are right, it is all even now: kill 100k civilians and get cussed out...Amazing.
  951. AP says:
    @Sean
    @AP

    Poland is a member of Nato so it has Charter Five and the repeated statements of all other nato members that every inch of Nato territory will be defended by all Nato members especially the USA. America has tens of thousands of troops in South Korea and invading it would mean fighting and killing America soldiers and war with America. Ukraine has no such protection as Poland or SK have long had.


    Ukraine would not have been attacked if it had full Nato membership, but it still does not have it and it is not going to get it now. Nato territory will be defended, but that has nothing to do with the circumstances Ukraine will be in after this war. Russia will never forget or forgive, and Ukraine will live in fear of another invasion. It is going to be the most militarized and subsidised society in the world. No choice.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @AP

    During the Cold War, NK did fight America. An armistice was signed but not an official peace treaty, its essentially just a cease-fire. There have been a couple hundred violations over the years.

    Yet despite this uncertainty, South Korea prospered. It has had to spend a lot on its military (prior to its economy taking off, about 7% of SK’s GDP went to the military) as will Ukraine.

    Do you think that if SK didn’t host US troops but merely had US weapons and access to US intelligence and training for its large well-trained forces, NK and its Chinese sponsor would have initiated another invasion?

    After this war, Ukraine will be left with a large well-experienced and equipped military. It has shown that it is capable and willing to defend itself. Russia invaded because its leaders stupidly assumed that Ukraine would lose quickly and easily. Given that this is no longer the case, no reason to assume that Russia would be eager to try again, particularly if the eventual outcome will be an actual recognition of whatever boundary and not merely a cease-fire as in the case of the Koreas.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @AP

    The Ukrainian military is well on its way to destruction, there will be no way to re-equip it.

    Replies: @sudden death

  952. @S
    @songbird


    Another thing that I thought was interesting is that there is a picture of them, when they were given a TV show that I think must have used their old clips, and they are sitting in the audience, among all children and various children...
     
    I'm guessing this was a promo for their mid 60's era cartoon series, where they'd have a bit of live action filmed (in color) on a California beach, typically with a lot of kids, and then go to their cartoons.

    There was a lot of places in the US that would include Three Stooges shorts (and early silent Keystone Kops) on their Saturday morning broadcast lineups, along with the cartoons, and they were very popular.

    Gotta say, Moe was a hard taskmaster to his fellow stooges, and almost impossible to please it seemed. Don't know how the other two put up with him. :-)

    Shemp Howard, with less 'air time' than Curly, doesn't always seem to have gotten the credit he deserves for the sacrifices he made to get it right.

    For instance, in the 1947 short Brideless Groom (see clip below) Shemp told his co-star Christine McIntyre to not hold back and to figuratively go ahead and let him have it, rather than have to film multiple painful takes, and retakes.

    Well, she did just as she was told, and let him have it! 😆


    https://youtu.be/7QflO2_uuVw

    Replies: @songbird

    I’d like to see one of the early movies with Ted Healy, before they refined their act, but I can only manage to find a clip or two. (Shemp originally walked away from the act because he did not want to be cheated by Healy, on his salary). Moe, it seems, adopted the role of Healy as brash leader of the stooges.

    IMO, despite his talents and dedication, Shemp’s hairdo makes him a less memorable character. As the hairdos of the other three really played off of each other.

    Moe supposedly got the idea for throwing pies one day when he saw a slice of pie in someone’s dressing room and asked if he could have it. He then proceeded to the top of the building and nailed his brother who happened to be walking towards the entrance. His brother looked up, and saw an open window, and proceeded to march up and become really angry at the people that Moe had borrowed the pie from, not realizing immediately that it was Moe who threw it from above.

    According to Moe, they used cardboard backing when they threw pies to make it safer, but it was still pretty dangerous. If you had your mouth open, you’d nearly be suffocated. And the prop department ran out of cream sometimes, so swept the old stuff off the floors, or mixed it with sawdust or industrial cleaners, and it was bad to get in your eyes or throat.

    In one bit, they were supposed to be piled on my real-life college football players, but they balked. Eventually, it was agreed to use stunt doubles. The three stunt doubles broke bones in the first take.

    PS: I am thinking that Mr. Hack must also be a big fan of the Stooges, for all his references to “kremlinstooges.”

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon, Natalie Wood. No way they did their own stunts still this is a pretty decent pie fight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDJQ7zn3-2g

    Replies: @A123

    , @S
    @songbird

    A lot of their stunts weren't entirely safe. Some of their stuff might not have been allowed today, but, then again, there's Jack Ass, so maybe the Stooges would still be a go. :-)


    I’d like to see one of the early movies with Ted Healy, before they refined their act, but I can only manage to find a clip or two.
     
    There's a site I can vouch for called Oldies.com that's got a single DVD for sale that's got all the Ted Healy/Three Stooges collaborations on it. It's like $20.00. (See top link in box below).

    The site has a huge collection of old films and TV series, and newer too. They used to have a deal of five DVD's (older pre-1970 films) for 25.00.

    The Warner Bros archive, which the Healy/Stooges collection is a part of, go for a premium, usually 15-20$ a pop, but they are amazingly well preserved, and, or, they've cleaned them up a bit. Either way, they are very high quality prints.

    Even the oldest, such as the first talkie (circa 1926 or so), where the studio chief gives a speech to the audience at the beginning, is very 'clean'. Though, amusingly, as they were still cautious with the technology, ie a record synchronized with the film, most of the sound was music, and not dialogue.

    They've got a great many of the Mabel Normand and Fatty Arbuckle comedies which are quite amusing, too.

    Classic Shorts from the Dream Factory, Volume 3

    On their way from the boards of vaudeville to becoming bona fide comedy legends, the men who would be Stooges did a spell as second bananas for Ted Healy on the soundstages of MGM.

    https://www.oldies.com/product-view/0005JD.html

    https://www.oldies.com/?msclkid=42707fdbd6541b50e9d01d64e4e95a6d&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ECI - Branded&utm_term=oldies .com&utm_content=Oldies

     




    https://d1wj8oqehjepyy.cloudfront.net/i/boxart/w680/a-z/w/wac411336d.jpg
  953. @Mikhail
    The latest from macho man not Melnyk -

    https://www.rt.com/russia/558164-melnik-appeal-german-intellectuals/

    Ages 16-60:

    https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1542256922568663041

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Svidomy never disappoint. Western cucks who donated crypto to @Ukraine appear to have been rugged (no sign of it being cashed out in months; shady NFT purchases from collections whose owners subsequently washed out their ETH with Tornado Cash).

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Not that I'm criticizing these rug pullers, to the contrary they display commendable entrepreneurialism and indeed one might say an elevated level of morality (no matter how inadvertent) by stealing the money of Western scum who want to maximize East Slavic deaths.

  954. @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN


    Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along
     
    You think that Russia is an "emerging power?"

    You're totally deluded.

    In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”.
     
    The US has the best allies. Compare, US is on the left and China on right:

    EU - Russia
    Brazil - Venezuela
    Canada - Cuba
    Israel - Iran
    Thailand - Myanmar
    India - Pakistan
    Japan, South Korea, Taiwan - N Korea

    No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball.
     
    Failure at the margins is inevitable. The only question is how far do you travel in success before you get to the margins. As you can see above, the US goes a very long way. While China goes very little distance, and Russia gets a few kilometres past its borders

    What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar.
     
    The Dollar has barely ever been stronger, and your predictions will be proven wrong again.

    Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.
     
    Actually the elites cater to what the public wants extremely well. This is why political violence is about the lowest it has ever been in any time and any place.

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll?
     
    There's no such organisation that could afford me, but, if you really think that, and yet subsequently explained yourself, it shows me just how accurate my previous comment about you was. Spot on. Ever wonder how I can do that?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    Now you all have a chance to watch how a troll operates. Note that it’s very hard to argue that 2×2=5, but that never stops imperial propaganda.

    Key strategy: ignore everything that is too straightforward to twist, in all other cases redirect the conversation.

    Just one example of each strategy.

    Ignore. Recent shameful flop with the summit of the Americas called by the US. Lots of countries boycotted it in protest of the fact that the US did not invite Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. That number included presumed US ally Mexico. A few more showed up and poured shit on the empire. Imperial propaganda cannot put a winning twist on this, so the only option is to pretend it never happened.

    Redirect conversation. Empire-inspired sanctions on Russia. The reality is dismal for the US. Asia: only US-occupied Japan and South Korea and US-dependent Taiwan (that the US does not have courage to recognize as a country officially) introduced sanctions. No other Asian country did, neither the most populous China, India, or Indonesia, nor presumed US allies Israel, Saudis, Bahrein, Kuwait, etc. Africa: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Latin America: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Europe: US lapdogs in NATO and EU did (despite a huge damage to their economies), but presumed US-friendly Moldova and Georgia didn’t. To add insult to injury, many of the European countries that sanctioned Russia are buying its natural gas via Putin-imposed “for rubles” scheme.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AnonfromTN

    afaik he/she/it (Laxa) revealed itself as either a transman or two+ separate people or most likely a wine alcoholic fabulist some open threads ago, don't see the need to waste time here.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @Triteleia Laxa
    @AnonfromTN

    Your two best evidences are that one conference was boring and that only Syria has recognised Russia's conquest of the Donbas. Every other country doesn't. You're laughably stupid. Enjoy your dotage of embittered alienation. You'll be coming back around a lot. The world will never make sense to you in this lifetime.

  955. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mikhail

    Svidomy never disappoint. Western cucks who donated crypto to @Ukraine appear to have been rugged (no sign of it being cashed out in months; shady NFT purchases from collections whose owners subsequently washed out their ETH with Tornado Cash).

    https://twitter.com/Big_Mangust/status/1541544001001635840

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Not that I’m criticizing these rug pullers, to the contrary they display commendable entrepreneurialism and indeed one might say an elevated level of morality (no matter how inadvertent) by stealing the money of Western scum who want to maximize East Slavic deaths.

  956. @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Now you all have a chance to watch how a troll operates. Note that it’s very hard to argue that 2x2=5, but that never stops imperial propaganda.

    Key strategy: ignore everything that is too straightforward to twist, in all other cases redirect the conversation.

    Just one example of each strategy.

    Ignore. Recent shameful flop with the summit of the Americas called by the US. Lots of countries boycotted it in protest of the fact that the US did not invite Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. That number included presumed US ally Mexico. A few more showed up and poured shit on the empire. Imperial propaganda cannot put a winning twist on this, so the only option is to pretend it never happened.

    Redirect conversation. Empire-inspired sanctions on Russia. The reality is dismal for the US. Asia: only US-occupied Japan and South Korea and US-dependent Taiwan (that the US does not have courage to recognize as a country officially) introduced sanctions. No other Asian country did, neither the most populous China, India, or Indonesia, nor presumed US allies Israel, Saudis, Bahrein, Kuwait, etc. Africa: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Latin America: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Europe: US lapdogs in NATO and EU did (despite a huge damage to their economies), but presumed US-friendly Moldova and Georgia didn’t. To add insult to injury, many of the European countries that sanctioned Russia are buying its natural gas via Putin-imposed “for rubles” scheme.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Triteleia Laxa

    afaik he/she/it (Laxa) revealed itself as either a transman or two+ separate people or most likely a wine alcoholic fabulist some open threads ago, don’t see the need to waste time here.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I am aware that this personage/group/outfit is hopeless. I am writing for normal people who might be reading. But you are right, I and others should stop responding to this personage/group/outfit.

  957. Do you think that if SK didn’t host US troops but merely had US weapons and access to US intelligence and training for its large well-trained forces, NK and its Chinese sponsor would have initiated another invasion?

    Well obviously the Americans think that is a possibility that needs to be guarded against because why else would the US trrops be in SK at great cost to US taxpayers? The troops are a a signal that America will fight whoever invades SK and that country reaps huge benefits. No one in Nato is going to station troops in Ukraine. So they are going to have to fight the Russian on their own in any future war, which surely makes another crack at taking all Ukraine quite tempting for the Russians. It’ll be a never ending menace. International investors want ongoing stability and Ukraine won’t have it. Ukraine will be subsidized by the West for reconstruction, but forget about them emulating Poland’s economic success.

  958. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Higher standards?
     
    Look, I wasn't talking about NATO vs Russia. I was talking specifically about the way the likes of Mikel (for years) addressed the Donbas issue. And how they were attacking my people as well (undeservedly). Ukraine was the victim there and was forced to defend itself. Plenty of Ukrainians were killed by the Russians (including wounded deliberately killed off in Ilovaisk), yet the likes of Mikel held the Ukrainians to a much higher standard of guilt.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can’t? What is the answer?
     
    You know, you're really going out of your way to pull this "guilt by association" BS. I'm talking purely about states that deserve to be sovereign to protect their nations. Ukraine up until 2014 wasn't even seriously considering a Western orientation. Russia waged wars all the way from 1993.


    but you used to be more level-headed.
     
    Russia didn't yet used to murder children in their sleep at the current levels (although they did do it in Syria), Russia didn't yet used to bomb near where my maternal heritage is at, and had not yet stepped on a genocidal path. All they deserve is cold, calculating hatred from now on.

    p.s. You turn really boring when you do the broken record of "Serbia" over and over. I was young at the time but I do remember reading about those atrocities at the time (especially the ones affecting women). Alas, life is complex, we did the right thing by joining NATO -- it is more than obvious now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    Ukraine fucked around in Iraq.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wokechoke


    Ukraine f**ed around in Iraq.
     
    Right, but one mission like that doesn't justify destroying the whole country (plus it's been a while since that war). Whereas "the regathering of lands" and stopping of Ukrainization, does (from Russia's POV). Nobody was going to invade Matushka, what the West cares about is getting their resources relatively cheaply (and as we see they're not even that cheap). That's all.

    Listen to what Putin just said about Finland & Sweden joining NATO. He's ok with it as long as they don't build up military infrastructure there (funny, it's already there). So there goes the "back to the borders of 1997" ultimatum.

    He cares about the lands of the so called "historical Russia" (e.g., former Russian Empire). He doesn't care about NATO all that much.

  959. @Wokechoke
    @Philip Owen

    You really do sound like a dim Welshman.

    Do you think that these disabling anti theft devices cant be removed or reprogrammed?

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    It takes time, money and personnel Russian doesn’t have. The US farming community and add on suppliers (who have had resources for years) haven’t broken the systems yet.

  960. @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    Ukraine fucked around in Iraq.

    Replies: @LatW

    Ukraine f**ed around in Iraq.

    Right, but one mission like that doesn’t justify destroying the whole country (plus it’s been a while since that war). Whereas “the regathering of lands” and stopping of Ukrainization, does (from Russia’s POV). Nobody was going to invade Matushka, what the West cares about is getting their resources relatively cheaply (and as we see they’re not even that cheap). That’s all.

    Listen to what Putin just said about Finland & Sweden joining NATO. He’s ok with it as long as they don’t build up military infrastructure there (funny, it’s already there). So there goes the “back to the borders of 1997” ultimatum.

    He cares about the lands of the so called “historical Russia” (e.g., former Russian Empire). He doesn’t care about NATO all that much.

  961. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AnonfromTN

    afaik he/she/it (Laxa) revealed itself as either a transman or two+ separate people or most likely a wine alcoholic fabulist some open threads ago, don't see the need to waste time here.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    I am aware that this personage/group/outfit is hopeless. I am writing for normal people who might be reading. But you are right, I and others should stop responding to this personage/group/outfit.

  962. How Chinese are ethnic Thai elites? Still, more than the average? (Didn’t their aristocracy come from China, or wasn’t it part Chinese?)

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    I am a project assessor at the local, large and well regarded internationally, business school. A substantial block of students are Thai. They look very Chinese compared to ordinary Thais. They are also by far the most impressive group of students judged by nationality. They are prize winners for government sponsorship which may bias the sample. The mainland Chinese in contrast are the least impressive. Most seem to have cheated their English tests and are more interested in (Chinese style) fashion or games depending on sex than their degrees. Given my prejudices, I find Arabs to be unexpectedly high performers. Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Palestine. Gulf Arabs don't manage the entrance requirements by and large.

    Yes. There is a lot of ethnic Chinese in the Thai social elites.

  963. @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Do I need to explain myself to a paid troll? Certainly not, only someone whose best career advancement outside of the imperial “couch force” is burger flipper at McDonalds would hire him/her/itself out as a troll.

    But honest readers might be curious, so this is for them.

    In Soviet times my views were pretty anti-Soviet. I often expressed them, possibly unwisely: I am sure KGB had a file on me. I suspect some people I knew back then were informers. But in the 1970-s and 80-s you had to work really hard to force KGB to make a move on you. Apparently, I did not work hard enough.

    Then I invested 30+ of my most productive years into the US science. I did more for its glory than 99% of the natives. That is why I am mad seeing how American elites are driving the country into the ground. I saw one empire crumbling, and I hate seeing the same signs all over again. I am too old to start from the square one yet another time.

    All mighty empires eventually lose their dominant position, sometimes disappearing from the face of the Earth (e.g., the Roman or Austro-Hungarian Empires), sometimes fading into insignificance (e.g., the British Empire). This process cannot be prevented, but it can be made slow and relatively painless. At the turn of the century the US had a good chance to go into slow dignified decline, which would have lasted 40-60 years. Personally, I would have been happy with this scenario. Emerging powers, like China and Russia, would have played along, as no one wants rapid catastrophic changes. But that would have required wise foreign policy to avoid antagonizing rising powers. Alas…

    The US squandered its chance by overstretching itself. In a futile attempt to remain ruling empire it picked the most despicable “allies”. The US always used “our sons of bitches” in other countries, but it keeps stooping lower and lower. Today the US has a knack of picking the worst shit any nation has to offer and making or at least proclaiming it “government”. That’s what it did in Kiev in 2014. No wonder it fails more and more often (remember “Assad must go”, or Guaido, or Tikhanovskaya?). Failures snowball. Just think of the very recent “summit of the Americas”: when something like St Vincent and Grenadines spits in your face, you are beyond salvage. When people laugh at you, this is the end. As imperial attempts to impose sanctions on Russia show, the US has lost ¾ of the world, leading a remaining pack of pathetic losers. What’s even worse from my perspective, degenerate US elites are destroying the world financial system and the position of the US dollar. That will affect me directly. Unfortunately, I cannot do anything about it: in a “democracy” the elites don’t care what the people think. A good example were 2020 elections: you had a free choice of a moron with Alzheimer and a moron w/o Alzheimer for president.

    Of course, those like you are not paid to understand the reality.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Jazman

    There is lot of people that like to read your comments and to be honest I was pissed when you left 🙂

    • Agree: Mikhail, Beckow
    • Replies: @A123
    @Jazman

    What we need most are alternate topics.

    It is self evident that Ukrainian discrimination and violence targeting Russian Orthodox Christians is the core problem. And, that Zelensky is taking millions of WEF €uros to prolong Ukraine's grinding defeat. Alas, the Ukie Maximalists cannot cope with this reality and have become near 100% Trolls.

    If we could stop talking about Ukraine's inevitable loss, we could move on to more interesting subjects.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

  964. @RadicalCenter
    @Mikhail

    Send Poroshenko's son to the front with Hack.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Chicken Kiev, Z Man & Scots in Russia

    Send Poroshenko’s son to the front with Hack.

    No Melnyk or AP?

    Shifting gears, a great reply to a Natasha Bertrand prop of Zelensky –

    It’s understandable why Mark Sleboda hasn’t been on Al Jazeera, France 24 and the BBC in a while. Not quite clear why that’s so with RT. Sleboda’s most recent appearances –

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/mark-sleboda-moscow-based-international-affairs-security-analyst-and-a-former-contributing-political-analyst-at-rt-6-28-22/

    https://rumble.com/v1ah421-06-29-22-the-backstory.html

    Interesting –

    https://www.rbth.com/history/335175-5-scotsmen-who-nobly-served?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Email

  965. @LatW
    @Mikel


    But it shouldn’t be so difficult to oppose everything that stinks in the West without endorsing these criminal retards.
     
    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia's neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.

    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy. For years these "dissidents" not only undeservedly humiliated and mocked Ukraine, but also trashed the West, including the Western armies and morality, which made Russia believe that the West is weak and morally and militarily tapped out and would crumble. This emboldened the Russian imperialist ideologues to strike. The Western Russophiles are partly responsible for the death of the 6 year old Ukrainian girl who died under the rubble in her bed from the Russian strikes and who's photo is now circulating on social media.


    Perhaps they could have even avoided this war by being more sincere and earning a stronger support in the West.
     
    You're completely delusional about the Russian character. These Russians who are in charge now and their supporters (70% of the Russian population) will NEVER admit any kind of guilt for any of their past or present criminal acts.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mikel

    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia’s neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.

    Nonsense. I don’t mind making a U-turn when the evidence shows that I’m wrong but the fact is that right now I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.

    I couldn’t feel less sorry for having opposed Ukraine’s killing of its own civilians when they tried to retake Donbass and you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia’s actions (eg Skripal) before this war.

    But, as I once told Mr Hack, I do regret that once or twice I used some unflattering language about Ukrainians, which is a different thing altogether. At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.

    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy.

    I think that the opposite is clearly true. By unleashing this war Putin has decided to give up on the West altogether and burn all bridges with the few allies he had among us. He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he’s been demonized and sanctioned for being.

    But as I said, the Russians are also to blame due to their duplicity and lack of understanding of the Western mentality.

    You’re completely delusional about the Russian character.

    It’s not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia’s neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them? I didn’t see much evidence of that during the 1st Donbass War and the fact that you interpret my comment as a “180” (if not as an endorsement of Ukraine) suggests that you can also be a victim of the “with me or against me” attitude that prevails East of you.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war. I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war. There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine’s own interest but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war. There must have been lots of people in Ukraine that opposed the Donbass war, especially among the voters of pro-Russian parties, but it looks like criticizing it was off-limits in the Ukrainian public discourse, contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikel

    Firstly, I appreciate your attitude towards this war. I do not think it is a 180 but perhaps a 90 degree change. You consistently oppose any killing of civilians, though in the past you seem to have been too accepting of the Russian narrative, perhaps out of naivety. But I don't wish to relitigate our past squabbles.


    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war. I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war.
     
    In addition to the greater number of murdered civilians due to the scope of each war, the situations were different and not comparable. The Donbass war was a civil war within Ukrainian territory where the Kiev government was fighting against a mix of local activists (not elected, btw*) and well-organized, armed and financed fighters from abroad. There were crimes committed by Ukrainians (I know, we don't agree on which specific actions were crimes) but they did not systematically destroy entire cities.

    This war, on the other hand, is an invasion of another country. This war is clearly and unambiguously wrong, every death is a crime because it is the result of an inherently criminal act, the invasion of another country. And it is conducted in a far more brutal way.

    *If the local elected local governments, mayors etc. had proclaimed independence in Donbas as they had done in Crimea, I think it would be a different story. Instead, in Sloviansk the Russian citizen Girkin and his militia imprisoned the local mayor. It was just local Russian nationalists and Russians.
    , @LatW
    @Mikel


    I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.
     
    Every normal person is critical of such by default and nothing is more simple than condemning senseless killing. It's a bit of a platitude (and I sense that you're almost implying that we're somehow agreeable to people being needlessly hurt).

    I'm not sure if it's adequate to equate Russia and Ukraine here, one is an aggressor, the other a victim. Donbas is partially a victim, too, stuck between two sides.

    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another's state. Our states are all we have -- only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don't remember you objecting to it. I understand if you're not able to relate to that but it's real for us.


    you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia’s actions (eg Skripal) before this war.
     
    I don't recall you criticizing the many instances of Russia's violence against Ukraine prior to February 2022. Skripal is peanuts compared to what Russia did in Donbas (decimation of the wounded soldiers, expulsion of people from Donbas, setting up of torture chambers -- all criminal actions in a foreign state, not to mention plain old stealing of industrial assets & natural resources). You seem to have no problem with those things, as I've never heard you say anything about it.

    At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.
     
    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians). So for some subjective reasons you're ticked off at the Western mainstream ethos and just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don't you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you're unable to address or fight them directly (the way that the old dissidents in the Soviet Union used to fight tyranny).

    He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he’s been demonized and sanctioned for being.
     
    Oh yea? Well, I think he made a move not because he was disillusioned with the West (the break with the West happened already in 2007), but because he could (or thought he could). The West was tired from Covid and internal divisions, even Western leaders (Trump, Macron) were trashing NATO, and commodities were getting expensive. It was a good time to do this. Had Ukraine had more time to develop its missile production, the window of opportunity could've closed.

    It’s not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia’s neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them?
     
    What does that have to do with anything? I simply said that you're delusional if you think Russia will ever apologize or humble herself. They're in a completely different mode right now. This is one of the most basic things about Russia.

    suggests that you can also be a victim of the “with me or against me” attitude that prevails East of you
     
    .

    I'm not a victim of anything. When someone starts killing your children, then this distinction is absolutely normal and understandable. This is not some attitude that "prevails East of you", but an attitude in any healthy society.

    Ok, maybe I was wrong about the 180, let's say, it's a 100 instead.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war.
     
    Yes, that was a very good list. I have followed several of those individuals for a long time. The thing about that list is that some of the individuals on the left column are either exiled, heavily marginalized or deplatformed. I understand that when a country is at war (although Russia doesn't even have the balls to call this for what it is), one must stifle all opposition and criticisms of the military. And this is what Russia has done.


    I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war.
     
    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban' region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

    There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine’s own interest
     
    That's a very bold proposition and a big deal. Most countries are very sensitive towards giving up any territory. The Ukrainian public is against this (and this might be against their constitution).

    but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war
     
    This was a time of chaos and great hurt. The kind you probably can't fathom. You have never been attacked in that manner.

    contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.
     
    Well, in Russia there is peer pressure now to not criticize the military and Putin. You can still do it in some cases (the ethno nationalist Dmitry Demushkin does it now but is much less outspoken than before). But others, such as Nevzorov, were forced into exile (granted, he can be pretty nutty). Many are in exile now.

    Replies: @216, @Mikel

  966. @Yellowface Anon
    @Sean

    ... And you assume Putin isn't planning for an all-out war with the US after seizing the Baltics and Finland, possibly while China attacks Taiwan, NK attacks SK, and both attacking Japan.

    I guess this and the outcome of billions of deaths have been mapped out in Davos? I don't trust leaders who appeared there a lot, no matter what they are saying, and that means every last one of them. Only what they do matters. (same for Hitler or Stalin or FDR)

    Replies: @Mikel

    And you assume Putin isn’t planning for an all-out war with the US after seizing the Baltics and Finland

    Putin just failed to seize and hold the Snake Island.

  967. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.
     
    No, it's a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced. Do not pretend to disagree.

    Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity.
     
    No, it was the same state with a different political order. You should have read Gilyarovsky instead of Dostoevsky.

    Moscow and Muscovites
    https://russianlife.com/shop/books/moscow-and-muscovites/

    You would have had a lot better understanding of Russia. You should at least give it a chance, my best recommendation is this book below, but it's in Russian.

    https://viewer.rsl.ru/ru/rsl01005421094?page=1&rotate=0&theme=white

    He is on that painting, Cossacks of Saporog Are Drafting a Manifesto, the big laughing man in a read coat, on the right – it's him.

    https://i.postimg.cc/ThMxKsPP/Cossacks-of-Saporog-Are-Drafting-a-Manifesto.jpg


    The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian.
     
    And it doesn't matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn't been there before them.

    They are no worse than the people who migrated to the cities. And there were many more of them.
     
    The people who migrated to the cities were the people who liberated the land. The land belongs to them.

    You can stick to Europe and recall the Czechs in Bohemia, Slovaks in Slovakia. At some point all of these peoples had foreigners dominating their urban populations.
     
    No, because in that case those people were indigenous to the land and the Ukrainian peasants were not.

    Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.
     
    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.
     
    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant. The Hetmanate was a province of Poland first, and then a province of Russia. There was nothing in between.

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.
     
    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war. Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.

    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”
     
    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn't right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That's not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.

    Replies: @AP

    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced.

    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal. Russia’s leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    “Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity.”

    No, it was the same state with a different political order.

    It’s native elites were replaced by an international gang of Caucasians, Jews, Latvians, whatever Lenin was and its political system was completely changed. It was based on the same place with the same human capital so there were similarities – if one kills someone and makes a Frankenstein’s monster out of the corpse, the monster will share certain features with the dead man.

    In contrast, post-Soviet Russia was not so different. It had the same elites in charge, they just decided to ape western capitalists in their own self-serving way. This was not a Revolution, it was analogous to the Petrine reforms, Peter’s killing of the musketeers was similar to Yeltsin’s destruction of the Russian parliament.

    “The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian.”

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.

    1. Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host. The Zaporozhian hetman, Petro Kalnyshevsky, was awarded the Gold Medal of the Order of Saint Andrew with diamonds for his efforts in that liberation.

    2. Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    3. Parts of those territories had already been sparsely settled by escaped serfs. In terms of largescale migration after the annexation by the Russian Empire, there is no evidence that the rural settlers moving south from immediately adjacent ethnic Ukrainian territory came later than the urban settlers coming all the way from Russia.

    “Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms.”

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.

    The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also. The infamous Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov was from such a Ukrainian Cossack officer family. His father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant.

    But this was not the case.

    About Khmelnytsky: Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war.

    Maybe so. But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.

    And in that case, one could say that Ukraine’s inclusion in Belarus was a Soviet gift to Belarus, it was their work.

    But instead, Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    They probably did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand and some cultural projects to go through as they consolidated their physical power. The Soviet elites did much the same in 1990s Ukraine.

    [MORE]

    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.

    So you claim. But Eurostat and other sources claim 1.8, they are probably more accurate than you.

    • Replies: @216
    @AP

    I've seen this movie before in Scotland/Catalonia. And its fakeandgay. You can't build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door. You are not a nationalist if you repeatedly scream about how Pro-EU you are.

    These "nationalisms" are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride. The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%. And once a majority of a generation is Pozzed, it has never been reversed by democratic means.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    You have to be very illiterate about history, if you imagine a Russian Empire would have accepted an independent and hostile Ukraine, or not gone to a military option, as the Russian Federation is today.

    In relation to the imperialist external policy, the political and culture situation in the Russian Empire, you can read the critical letters of the celebrities to the government from almost 130 years, and feel they are writing about today. http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    In terms of the economics, education level or industrialization, Russia is reversing. But in many aspects the politics there is more than average historical continuity, despite a couple re-branding projects.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Sean
    @AP


    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal.
     
    Ukraine's border with Russia in the process of conforming to the balance of total forces on either side of it, like every other border in the world between two countries who are not on friendly terms with one another. This process had been going on since 2014. The countries were effectively at war, albeit at a very low level of intensity.

    Russia’s leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.
     
    Post 2014 millions of ethnic Russian voters were eliminated from Ukrainian elections, yet Zelensky still won the presidency by promising peace, which could only mean accepting a deal. Germany, France and perhaps even Americans thought the deal (Normandy Process) was the way forward for Ukraine but rival politicians, veterans and activist protensted and eventually Zelensky decided against accepting. Russian made clear it was going to stop using Ukraine's pipeline network and in June 2021 NATO reaffirmed the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that Ukraine would become a member of the alliance; according to Russian POWs the middle of last year was when they began to train for an occupation of Ukraine. In November- December 2021 Ukraine used the Javelin and the Turkish drones for the first time in combat. Russia and Ukraine are fighting because they prefer that to the alternative. In neither case has the decision been reached very democratically.
    , @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.
     
    We can discuss the legal or illegal aspect of the Maidan coup. You will have to agree that it was illegal, and then we can discuss whether there was an invasion. You will have to agree that there wasn't. So let us not waste our time.

    Ukraine was offered a solution, it flushed it down the toilet.

    Now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.
     
    Excellent consequences for the Russian side. Things are getting better and better. Ukraine is losing its sovereign status, on the other hand. Ukraine will lose a large part of its land as well.

    Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host.
     
    That's insignificant. On their own the Ukrainians were not capable of that. For their participation, the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories. That's a good deal for the Ukrainian peasant lowlife.

    Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.
     
    The Tatars burnt Moscow in the late 16th century.

    Here is an incomplete list of Tatar invasions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars#Incomplete_list_of_Tatar_raids

    The Ukrainians are incapable of organized resistance. This primitive tribe of peasant alcoholics is good for nothing.

    The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also.
     
    That refers to a time before the industrialization, there were no proles, let alone illiterate ones. The Ukrainians, on the other hand, were one hundred percent illiterate. A tribe of humanoid earth worms.

    And all were alcoholics.

    But this was not the case. Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine, the Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’
     
    Yes, and once there was a Chimpanzee called Consul. A lot of people called him Consul. That doesn't mean he was one.

    https://i.postimg.cc/0j1P0fCc/Consul.jpg

    But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.
     
    One cannot gift what one doesn't have.

    Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.
     
    The loser cannot force the winner.

    They did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand.
     
    No it was done with the purpose of dividing the Empire into a number of states, which Stalin didn't let happen.

    Your Bolshevik plan didn't work, until the Yeltsin came. Now the Russians are correcting that historical error, and the Ukrainians will learn their place.

    The entire Ukrainian language, and culture, composed of nothing but a third rate literature and peasant songs, was forced upon the population during the Bolshevik Ukrainization period. All of the natural Russian elites were stripped of their positions, and replaced with illiterate scum from the surrounding villages.

    The result of that is what we are having now.

    Replies: @AP

  968. 216 says: • Website
    @AnonfromTN
    @Coconuts


    Doesn’t this mirror the feelings of many Europeans about Russia
     
    Maybe. Who cares? The feelings of the Europeans are totally irrelevant. They are disregarded by their imperial suzerain, as well as everybody else.

    Replies: @216

    The EU is always petulant whenever a Republican is in office, RF Anti-American propaganda is always written by leftists whining about “imperialism”. It doesn’t reflect reality. The EU actively interfered in US elections to get the tariffs dropped, and refused to join the US tariffs against China.

    Vassals are supposed to pay tribute to the liegelord. But it is the US which subsidies EU welfare statism by spending 4% on military, and most EU countries will not reach 2% for many years to come.

    And surely all of our vassals will be chomping at the bit to give their subjects an abortion ban and shall-issue concealed carry?

    RF only lets you have rubber bullets.

  969. 216 says: • Website
    @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced.
     
    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal. Russia's leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    "Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity."

    No, it was the same state with a different political order.
     
    It's native elites were replaced by an international gang of Caucasians, Jews, Latvians, whatever Lenin was and its political system was completely changed. It was based on the same place with the same human capital so there were similarities - if one kills someone and makes a Frankenstein's monster out of the corpse, the monster will share certain features with the dead man.

    In contrast, post-Soviet Russia was not so different. It had the same elites in charge, they just decided to ape western capitalists in their own self-serving way. This was not a Revolution, it was analogous to the Petrine reforms, Peter's killing of the musketeers was similar to Yeltsin's destruction of the Russian parliament.

    "The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian."

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.
     
    1. Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host. The Zaporozhian hetman, Petro Kalnyshevsky, was awarded the Gold Medal of the Order of Saint Andrew with diamonds for his efforts in that liberation.

    2. Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    3. Parts of those territories had already been sparsely settled by escaped serfs. In terms of largescale migration after the annexation by the Russian Empire, there is no evidence that the rural settlers moving south from immediately adjacent ethnic Ukrainian territory came later than the urban settlers coming all the way from Russia.

    "Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms."

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.
     
    The illiterate proles in the cities weren't managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also. The infamous Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov was from such a Ukrainian Cossack officer family. His father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant.
     
    But this was not the case.

    About Khmelnytsky: Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war.
     
    Maybe so. But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.
     
    And in that case, one could say that Ukraine's inclusion in Belarus was a Soviet gift to Belarus, it was their work.

    But instead, Ukraine's borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    They probably did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand and some cultural projects to go through as they consolidated their physical power. The Soviet elites did much the same in 1990s Ukraine.


    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.
     
    So you claim. But Eurostat and other sources claim 1.8, they are probably more accurate than you.

    Replies: @216, @Dmitry, @Sean, @Here Be Dragon

    I’ve seen this movie before in Scotland/Catalonia. And its fakeandgay. You can’t build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door. You are not a nationalist if you repeatedly scream about how Pro-EU you are.

    These “nationalisms” are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride. The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%. And once a majority of a generation is Pozzed, it has never been reversed by democratic means.

    • Replies: @AP
    @216


    You can’t build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door.
     
    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different, Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism. Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction. The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.

    These “nationalisms” are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride
     
    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way. I did hear Catalan nationalism is like that though.

    The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%
     
    That's still pretty low. Ukraine has more significant problems at the moment.

    Replies: @216, @Sean, @Gerard1234

  970. AP says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia’s neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.
     
    Nonsense. I don't mind making a U-turn when the evidence shows that I'm wrong but the fact is that right now I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.

    I couldn't feel less sorry for having opposed Ukraine's killing of its own civilians when they tried to retake Donbass and you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia's actions (eg Skripal) before this war.

    But, as I once told Mr Hack, I do regret that once or twice I used some unflattering language about Ukrainians, which is a different thing altogether. At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.


    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy.
     
    I think that the opposite is clearly true. By unleashing this war Putin has decided to give up on the West altogether and burn all bridges with the few allies he had among us. He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he's been demonized and sanctioned for being.

    But as I said, the Russians are also to blame due to their duplicity and lack of understanding of the Western mentality.


    You’re completely delusional about the Russian character.
     
    It's not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia's neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them? I didn't see much evidence of that during the 1st Donbass War and the fact that you interpret my comment as a "180" (if not as an endorsement of Ukraine) suggests that you can also be a victim of the "with me or against me" attitude that prevails East of you.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin's own party) who have expressed opposition to this war. I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war. There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine's own interest but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war. There must have been lots of people in Ukraine that opposed the Donbass war, especially among the voters of pro-Russian parties, but it looks like criticizing it was off-limits in the Ukrainian public discourse, contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    Firstly, I appreciate your attitude towards this war. I do not think it is a 180 but perhaps a 90 degree change. You consistently oppose any killing of civilians, though in the past you seem to have been too accepting of the Russian narrative, perhaps out of naivety. But I don’t wish to relitigate our past squabbles.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war. I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war.

    In addition to the greater number of murdered civilians due to the scope of each war, the situations were different and not comparable. The Donbass war was a civil war within Ukrainian territory where the Kiev government was fighting against a mix of local activists (not elected, btw*) and well-organized, armed and financed fighters from abroad. There were crimes committed by Ukrainians (I know, we don’t agree on which specific actions were crimes) but they did not systematically destroy entire cities.

    This war, on the other hand, is an invasion of another country. This war is clearly and unambiguously wrong, every death is a crime because it is the result of an inherently criminal act, the invasion of another country. And it is conducted in a far more brutal way.

    *If the local elected local governments, mayors etc. had proclaimed independence in Donbas as they had done in Crimea, I think it would be a different story. Instead, in Sloviansk the Russian citizen Girkin and his militia imprisoned the local mayor. It was just local Russian nationalists and Russians.

  971. I am in partial agreement with the libertarians and Reason:

    DeSantis was wrong to remove Disney’s special status. What he should have done is used state funds to buy a tactical nuke off of the black market and then glassed the place (BTW, would be interesting to see what a nuclear blast does to Cinderella’s Castle), afterward turning it into a nature preserve called “Devil Mouse Park.”

    https://www.themarysue.com/baymax-menstruation-episode/

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    DeSantis was wrong to remove Disney’s special status. What he should have done is used state funds to buy a tactical nuke off of the black market and then glassed the place
     
    Inconceivable!

    Fallout travels east. That would risk contaminating America's #1 pinnacle of auto racing the 24 Hours of Daytona. Also #2, the 12 Hours of Sebring.

    Placing national essentials at risk is entirely unacceptable.

    PEACE 😇

    https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/08/IMSA-2021-Full-Field-Photo-e1628351992840.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/0e/82/ad0e826a87748a2bb95247686b71c8eb.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

  972. AP says:
    @216
    @AP

    I've seen this movie before in Scotland/Catalonia. And its fakeandgay. You can't build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door. You are not a nationalist if you repeatedly scream about how Pro-EU you are.

    These "nationalisms" are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride. The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%. And once a majority of a generation is Pozzed, it has never been reversed by democratic means.

    Replies: @AP

    You can’t build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door.

    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different, Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism. Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction. The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.

    These “nationalisms” are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride

    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way. I did hear Catalan nationalism is like that though.

    The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%

    That’s still pretty low. Ukraine has more significant problems at the moment.

    • Replies: @216
    @AP

    Linguistic differences between Flemish and French are more significant, but Flemish separatists are suppressed and subverted, despite multiple times where pro-independence parties had a majority.

    Why? Because this separatism, like Texas separatism, is right-wing.


    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way.
     
    Polish nationalism is very similar to Irish nationalism, and barring a severe course correction is headed to the same degenerate results.

    The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.
     
    It has been called Eire and Scots for millennia. The term Ukraine is little more than a hundred years old, and imposed by a foreign army. It is analogous to the term "Sioux" which they don't call themselves, but was given to them by enemies. Nor was Catalonia ever an actual state, it was called Aragon.

    Ukrainians are more democratic
     
    Every President imposed since 1991 has been regarded as an unpopular despot on their way out. But at least there have been more changes in party control than NY or CA, which haven't elected a GOP Senator in more than 30 years.
    , @Sean
    @AP

    The borders between Russia and Ukraine were never made thinking they would be anything but internal regional ones rather than international between two separate countries, Ukraine did not enter the USSR with Crimea, so it whether it ought to have the right to leave with it (and the formerly Polish territories) was not so obvious. Because the independent Ukraine's territorial status quo had not come about by force it was unstable; especially for a country dubbed the 'Heartland' key to world domination by the best known geopolitical theory of them all: Mackinder's.

    , @Gerard1234
    @AP

    LOL- I know you are a sociopathic, autistic, permanently cursed-in-hell, fantasist slimeball who would commit suicide out of shame if identity is revealed here........but that post by yourself is even more despicable and deliberate a lie than usual.


    Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism.
     
    "Ukrainianism" is the very definition of slave mentality plankton you retarded POS. Or slave mentality plankton mixed with prostitution. From village life to urban there was never anything democratic associated with culture of Ukraine you imbecile.

    Zemsky sobor was a very enlightened and successful introduction of democracy into East Slavic territory you imbecile. From then on the argument ends about which was and is the democratic people and nation with a culture suited to it.

    Russia - 1905 revolution, 1917 revolution, 1991 revolution, 2006 pension protest ( that stopped the move by authorities to increase Pension) - major examples of people trying to get political change.

    Ukraine - absolutely ZERO role in 1905 russian revolution that featured nearly every other ethnic part of the empire protesting against the Tsar, a completely useless role in 1917 revolution - the "nationalist"/prostitute scum like Grushevsky and Petliura even making clear as part of the ( unelected and irrelevant central rada in heavily pro-russian Kiev) that they were wanting to be part of Russian Federation, an absurdly low role in creation of "independent" 1991 Ukraine in comparison to the role Moscow itself played - with the Baltics and even Abkhazia, Gruzia, and Belarus showing more initiative ( not surprising considering 82% of "Ukrainians" voted for a Union state with Russia and Belarus, which says everything)

    Absolutely zero protests of any scale when pension reforms increasing were implemented ( by Yanukovich)


    Russian Empire - by Russians frequent peasant/cossack/officer revolts and protests that affect the Tsar or governor into making some change or concession on Russian territory. As expected in an area that size - many rebellions, protests etc from Uzbeks, Tatars, Bashkirs, Finns, various Kavkaz, and the worthless POS Polish and Lithuanian dickheads. All of this is natural and expected. What happens from the Ukrainians in the form of political protest or insurrection during this time?....NOTHING


    Part of democracy is free thought and the exchange of ideas - Many strong intellectual/philsophical ideas and movements originating from Russia in liberal, conservative, socialist spheres, nationalist/spiritual/anarchic fusions of the first 3 in the list. What is there from 404 ?NOTHING once again. Nearly all of the "nationalism" of 404 from the 1900's-1930's is socialism repackaged from Russia - with nearly all of it more "socialist" than "nationalist", unsurprising considering that true "ethno-nationalist" Ukraine/404 was invented and formalised by bored Russian liberasts in middle of 19th century.

    Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction.
     
    LMAO - literally everything in Ukrainian" culture" is Russian culture you retarded dickhead, with the biggest argument ( not from you as of course you are a fantasist who is not Ukrainian ) often about which thing in the culture be it a food, dance, writer, skazka, building, music or whatever is more "Ukrainian" than Russian or vice-versa. Incompatible cultures do the exact opposite of this you f*cked in the head idiot.


    Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism
     
    As a man proud to be from Kazan it's hilarious to read such intellectual dogshit. Ukrainian women certainly like sucking the Khan, Sultan, Turkish, Albanian d*ck in the modern era and Turkic influence on Zapororizhian Cossack culture was larger than ......but how the f*ck did Russians "like" the Khan, and how the f*ck was the Tsar a despot you idiot? There was frequent rebellions and reseizing of cities and land before eventual removal of Golden Horde from Russian land. Russian mentality is often associated with a sort of structured anarchicism balanced by self-introspection - just the opposite of slave-mentality galician plankton. This is why the rule of the universe is...if I want to avoid Ukrainian language, I walk the streets of Kiev for a week....if I want to avoid Ukrainian "culture"......I walk the streets of Lvov for a week.

    "Ukrainian" nationalism is literally defined as prostitution to Polish despotism, German Despotism, Swedish despotism Tatar despotism .....and now Anglo-American despotism.

    The Tsars created "Ukraine" out of nothing and nurtured it. Kiev by 1660 was less relevant in the backwater PLC than a backroad is in modern Detroit is to the whole of the US.

    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different
     
    You can't speak Russian or Ukrainian, you have never been anywhere there - and the obsessive, autistic, 20 hour-a-day posting of of garbage on here should never be allowed to confuse that fact ( particularly when under scrutiny it confirms that fact). Maybe another language "lesson" from you , or another "insight" into modern Ukraine? LMAO

    Replies: @AP

  973. A123 says: • Website
    @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    There is lot of people that like to read your comments and to be honest I was pissed when you left :)

    Replies: @A123

    What we need most are alternate topics.

    It is self evident that Ukrainian discrimination and violence targeting Russian Orthodox Christians is the core problem. And, that Zelensky is taking millions of WEF €uros to prolong Ukraine’s grinding defeat. Alas, the Ukie Maximalists cannot cope with this reality and have become near 100% Trolls.

    If we could stop talking about Ukraine’s inevitable loss, we could move on to more interesting subjects.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I get a kick out of your confusion in coming up with your own version of Bizarro commandments:

    1) Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    2) It is self evident that Ukrainian discrimination and violence targeting Russian Orthodox Christians is the core problem.

    I'd like to help you complete your list, or at least provide you with some inspirations to complete your list. These are original customs and insights of the Bizarro people from the planet of Htrae, ovbiously somewhere where you'll soon be taking up residence:

    3) garbage collectors bring garbage to homes.

    4) Junk is valuable.

    5) Alarm clocks are used to sleep instead wake up.

    6) Bizarro children give snakes to their teachers instead of apples.

    7) Automobile tires are square.

    8) Green light means stop; red light means go.

    9) They plant weeds instead of flowers.

    10) Entrances are exits; and vice-versa.*

    *This last insight is important for understanding and deciphering your contention that "Kyiv is the senseless aggressor" and that Russia is the morally pure "defender" in the current war. It is a "war" in your way of thinking isn't it kremlinstoogeA123? Or is it a "military operation"? Bizarre!

    , @sudden death
    @A123

    These days even Orban is clearly getting what the core problem of RF aggression is all about:


    In his remarks, Orban struck a softer tone on Ukraine, saying that Hungary and its allies were backing the government in Kyiv because Russia had been unjustified in attacking.

    “Everyone is on the side of the Ukrainians as one should be on the side of the defender,” he said. Russia had “no reason to attack another country and start an open war, even if the Russians don’t call it a war.”
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-01/hungary-s-orban-strikes-softer-tone-on-sanctions-ukraine-war

    Replies: @A123

  974. @LatW
    @Beckow

    And, Beckow, please do not pretend to not know how Americans were treated internationally, on a personal lever, after Bush and Iraq. They were regularly cussed out, especially by Western Europeans.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …how Americans were treated internationally, on a personal lever, after Bush and Iraq. They were regularly cussed out

    I will make you a deal: next Russian I run into I will cuss him out (or even her!). That will show them.

    There is also that scene in In Bruges:

    The noble Western European confused a Canadian for a Yankee, but it sent a message. So you are right, it is all even now: kill 100k civilians and get cussed out…Amazing.

  975. Anyone watched the new Indian movie RRR?

    They say it is the most expensive Indian movie ever made. (and it deals with antagonisms with British rule, though fantastical) And that it was filmed partly in Ukraine.

    Most expensive Indian movie ever made deals with British antagonisms.

    Most expensive Chinese movie ever made deals with American antagonisms.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    It's notable for two things. First, it's not a Bollywood film. For years, Indian film industry has slowly been moving away from Bollywood with Telegu and Tamil films getting more and more popular.

    Second, it still reflects a lingering inferiority complex, as you alluded to, as the Indian protagonist has to prove himself against an aristocratic Anglo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvZMKC96Utk

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  976. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    I am in partial agreement with the libertarians and Reason:

    DeSantis was wrong to remove Disney's special status. What he should have done is used state funds to buy a tactical nuke off of the black market and then glassed the place (BTW, would be interesting to see what a nuclear blast does to Cinderella's Castle), afterward turning it into a nature preserve called "Devil Mouse Park."

    https://www.themarysue.com/baymax-menstruation-episode/

    Replies: @A123

    DeSantis was wrong to remove Disney’s special status. What he should have done is used state funds to buy a tactical nuke off of the black market and then glassed the place

    Inconceivable!

    Fallout travels east. That would risk contaminating America’s #1 pinnacle of auto racing the 24 Hours of Daytona. Also #2, the 12 Hours of Sebring.

    Placing national essentials at risk is entirely unacceptable.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    It would be a perfect strike because there are no permanent residents in Disney World.

    Florida's wet season would quickly solve the fallout issue, bringing down radiation levels to the salubrious level that near-centenarian Jimmy Carter got at Chalk Creek, and which is the blessing of the elderly residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

  977. @RadicalCenter
    @Beckow

    The official and accommodated languages in much of the soon-to-be-former borderland ("the ukraine") will likely be Russian, Ukrainian, and Tatar, which seems fair enough. It's a lot more fair than what "the ukraine" did and is doing to Russian-speakers.

    And if the Russians are smart and not painfully naive, they will not trust promises from the US, uk, the Kiev regime, the EU, or NATO. Nor will they negotiate as if they are in the weaker position; they're not, whether militarily or economically or morally.

    Keep the Donbass, the entire Black Sea coast of the ukraine, and perhaps more. Then admit the territory to the Russian Federation. Don't be schmucks.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …Keep the Donbass, the entire Black Sea coast of the ukraine, and perhaps more. Then admit the territory to the Russian Federation.

    The ‘more’ part is the big unknown. There also probably won’t be much negotiating until the situation on the ground is clearer. One or the other has to break, the odds are high that it will Kiev.

    Aether will switch from looking for “delusions” everywhere to denouncing reality and demanding that nobody recognizes it. That is always helpful, just pretend that it is not there…

  978. @Mikel
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Hit list of “right-wingers” on Ukraine: https://redlist.vercel.app/
     
    Quite a few good looking women on the anti-war camp versus basically none on the pro-war one. Possibly not a coincidence.

    Let's hope apolitical Russians note the difference. Successful mass movements typically attract the young and good looking and with them the rest of society follows.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Barbarossa

    I have to say that I clicked on that link and the really amusing thing that I noticed is that our benevolent founder, AK himself, is on the list in what I assume is the pro-war column of personalities.
    The funny thing is that his is the only blurb in English and it is an explanation of the Ukraine/ Russia conflict using Harry Friggin’ Potter as an analogy!

    Was this something AK actually said, and who compiled this list? I can’t read Russian so I don’t get the context, but this seemed really hilarious.

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    If you open the webpage in Chrome and right click on it, you can have it translated to English.

    Apparently, they just chose some quote from each of the personalities and the one they chose from AK does not make him look very profound at all. But well, he does make ample use of memes of questionable value and pop fiction characters in his posts so it's not entirely undeserved.

    Any progress in your negotiations with the skeptics?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  979. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Now you all have a chance to watch how a troll operates. Note that it’s very hard to argue that 2x2=5, but that never stops imperial propaganda.

    Key strategy: ignore everything that is too straightforward to twist, in all other cases redirect the conversation.

    Just one example of each strategy.

    Ignore. Recent shameful flop with the summit of the Americas called by the US. Lots of countries boycotted it in protest of the fact that the US did not invite Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua. That number included presumed US ally Mexico. A few more showed up and poured shit on the empire. Imperial propaganda cannot put a winning twist on this, so the only option is to pretend it never happened.

    Redirect conversation. Empire-inspired sanctions on Russia. The reality is dismal for the US. Asia: only US-occupied Japan and South Korea and US-dependent Taiwan (that the US does not have courage to recognize as a country officially) introduced sanctions. No other Asian country did, neither the most populous China, India, or Indonesia, nor presumed US allies Israel, Saudis, Bahrein, Kuwait, etc. Africa: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Latin America: not a single country sanctioned Russia, not even regimes that were considered pro-American. Europe: US lapdogs in NATO and EU did (despite a huge damage to their economies), but presumed US-friendly Moldova and Georgia didn’t. To add insult to injury, many of the European countries that sanctioned Russia are buying its natural gas via Putin-imposed “for rubles” scheme.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Triteleia Laxa

    Your two best evidences are that one conference was boring and that only Syria has recognised Russia’s conquest of the Donbas. Every other country doesn’t. You’re laughably stupid. Enjoy your dotage of embittered alienation. You’ll be coming back around a lot. The world will never make sense to you in this lifetime.

  980. @songbird
    @S

    I'd like to see one of the early movies with Ted Healy, before they refined their act, but I can only manage to find a clip or two. (Shemp originally walked away from the act because he did not want to be cheated by Healy, on his salary). Moe, it seems, adopted the role of Healy as brash leader of the stooges.

    IMO, despite his talents and dedication, Shemp's hairdo makes him a less memorable character. As the hairdos of the other three really played off of each other.

    Moe supposedly got the idea for throwing pies one day when he saw a slice of pie in someone's dressing room and asked if he could have it. He then proceeded to the top of the building and nailed his brother who happened to be walking towards the entrance. His brother looked up, and saw an open window, and proceeded to march up and become really angry at the people that Moe had borrowed the pie from, not realizing immediately that it was Moe who threw it from above.

    According to Moe, they used cardboard backing when they threw pies to make it safer, but it was still pretty dangerous. If you had your mouth open, you'd nearly be suffocated. And the prop department ran out of cream sometimes, so swept the old stuff off the floors, or mixed it with sawdust or industrial cleaners, and it was bad to get in your eyes or throat.

    In one bit, they were supposed to be piled on my real-life college football players, but they balked. Eventually, it was agreed to use stunt doubles. The three stunt doubles broke bones in the first take.

    PS: I am thinking that Mr. Hack must also be a big fan of the Stooges, for all his references to "kremlinstooges."

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S

    Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon, Natalie Wood. No way they did their own stunts still this is a pretty decent pie fight.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @A123
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    How about a Pied Piper fight?

    Also includes speakers and a microphone.

    PEACE 😇

    https://youtu.be/WPkO4c550_g

  981. @A123
    @songbird


    DeSantis was wrong to remove Disney’s special status. What he should have done is used state funds to buy a tactical nuke off of the black market and then glassed the place
     
    Inconceivable!

    Fallout travels east. That would risk contaminating America's #1 pinnacle of auto racing the 24 Hours of Daytona. Also #2, the 12 Hours of Sebring.

    Placing national essentials at risk is entirely unacceptable.

    PEACE 😇

    https://motorsports.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/08/IMSA-2021-Full-Field-Photo-e1628351992840.jpg



    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/0e/82/ad0e826a87748a2bb95247686b71c8eb.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    It would be a perfect strike because there are no permanent residents in Disney World.

    Florida’s wet season would quickly solve the fallout issue, bringing down radiation levels to the salubrious level that near-centenarian Jimmy Carter got at Chalk Creek, and which is the blessing of the elderly residents of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

  982. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced.
     
    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal. Russia's leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    "Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity."

    No, it was the same state with a different political order.
     
    It's native elites were replaced by an international gang of Caucasians, Jews, Latvians, whatever Lenin was and its political system was completely changed. It was based on the same place with the same human capital so there were similarities - if one kills someone and makes a Frankenstein's monster out of the corpse, the monster will share certain features with the dead man.

    In contrast, post-Soviet Russia was not so different. It had the same elites in charge, they just decided to ape western capitalists in their own self-serving way. This was not a Revolution, it was analogous to the Petrine reforms, Peter's killing of the musketeers was similar to Yeltsin's destruction of the Russian parliament.

    "The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian."

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.
     
    1. Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host. The Zaporozhian hetman, Petro Kalnyshevsky, was awarded the Gold Medal of the Order of Saint Andrew with diamonds for his efforts in that liberation.

    2. Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    3. Parts of those territories had already been sparsely settled by escaped serfs. In terms of largescale migration after the annexation by the Russian Empire, there is no evidence that the rural settlers moving south from immediately adjacent ethnic Ukrainian territory came later than the urban settlers coming all the way from Russia.

    "Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms."

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.
     
    The illiterate proles in the cities weren't managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also. The infamous Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov was from such a Ukrainian Cossack officer family. His father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant.
     
    But this was not the case.

    About Khmelnytsky: Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war.
     
    Maybe so. But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.
     
    And in that case, one could say that Ukraine's inclusion in Belarus was a Soviet gift to Belarus, it was their work.

    But instead, Ukraine's borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    They probably did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand and some cultural projects to go through as they consolidated their physical power. The Soviet elites did much the same in 1990s Ukraine.


    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.
     
    So you claim. But Eurostat and other sources claim 1.8, they are probably more accurate than you.

    Replies: @216, @Dmitry, @Sean, @Here Be Dragon

    You have to be very illiterate about history, if you imagine a Russian Empire would have accepted an independent and hostile Ukraine, or not gone to a military option, as the Russian Federation is today.

    In relation to the imperialist external policy, the political and culture situation in the Russian Empire, you can read the critical letters of the celebrities to the government from almost 130 years, and feel they are writing about today. http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    In terms of the economics, education level or industrialization, Russia is reversing. But in many aspects the politics there is more than average historical continuity, despite a couple re-branding projects.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    You have to be very illiterate about history, if you imagine a Russian Empire would have accepted an independent and hostile Ukraine, or not gone to a military option, as the Russian Federation is today.
     
    I don't understand why you imply that I would disagree with that.
  983. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Those S30 are a two-way. I guess still it was probably expensive in the 1980s? There is also a three-way model “S90”
     
    Yes, I think the S90 was a later version. No idea how much they cost. They were very well known back in the 80s and some people are still into that vintage stuff.


    I didn’t know about surviving of the Baltic states’ hi-fi industry.
     
    Yes, there is some that survived (such as the Radiotehnika acoustic lab). And there are some new boutique firms.

    The original VEF factory was built in the late 19th century (was originally called Union). It was the biggest electrotechnical factory in the whole Empire. The building is really amazing and it's been renovated. The original outer wall with a statue of Zeus but with a modern interior (it's the office for a big Latvian router company), you can see it in this link (if you scroll down you can see the original walls):

    https://archidea.lv/en/portfolio/portfolio/buvlaukumslvpublikacijas/architecture/136/

    The VEF Culture Palace is also renovated and hosts a recording studio:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJyWkfIliS0

    For the “Estonia” pianos, they were probably the most high quality performance pianos produced locally in the Soviet Union.
     
    Yes, they were. Do you play piano?

    No, I didn't grow up in Estonia, I must've mislead you slightly, I meant we used to vacation there a lot.
    I grew up in a nice town on the dunes in LV.

    The Estonian piano factory also has its roots in the late 19th century, they were pretty much wiped out during the wars. The pianos they're making now are very high quality (sold in the USA).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    S90 was a later

    S-90 may be earlier. But those are the large speakers. When you look at S-90, you know “wife/girlfriend acceptance for interior decoration” could have been a problem, especially with Soviet apartment sizes.

    I’m guessing even smaller S-30 was just on the border of what your father was allowed?

    e people are still into that vintage stuff.

    Yes and some nice social media groups where people are collecting the Soviet equipment. Just now someone has posted about 1980s Estonian CD players, from the famous factory in Tallin https://vk.com/retrosoundshop

    Although to be honest my hi-fi interest is mainly relating to the newest technologies. But old equipment can be working perfectly. We could build a good hi-fi for Mr Hack’s home cinema system for about $200, from such Soviet hi-fi sales, and a lot of it in good condition enough without even needing to use a soldering iron.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    When you look at S-90, you know “wife/girlfriend acceptance for interior decoration” could have been a problem, especially with Soviet apartment sizes. I’m guessing even smaller S-30 was just on the border of what your father was allowed?
     
    Hahah, good one. Well, you have to allow at least some of your spouse's little pleasures. But, yea, S-90 are super clunky, I guess, you can use them as a coffee table. LOL


    Although to be honest my hi-fi interest is mainly relating to the newest technologies.
     
    Yea, me too, I like cute earbuds or nice, comfortable Bose headphones.

    We could build a good hi-fi for Mr Hack’s home cinema system for about $200, from such Soviet hi-fi sales
     
    I don't know, I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don't think Hack will ever appreciate "Sovok" stuff, lol.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  984. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    Tony Curtis, Jack Lemmon, Natalie Wood. No way they did their own stunts still this is a pretty decent pie fight.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDJQ7zn3-2g

    Replies: @A123

    How about a Pied Piper fight?

    Also includes speakers and a microphone.

    PEACE 😇

  985. @A123
    @Greasy William

    Sikh stands for Cuck. They let their BJP offer up wives and daughters for impregnation by Paki Muslims. Presumably they cut their penises bloody with ritual weapons of submission & surrender while they watch.

    Sad. But there is nothing any of can do for "Sher Cuck Singh" and his bloody phallus.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Yeesh. We’re getting to the “war of the bloody penis insults” stage of the discussion. Grim.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa

    BJP "Cuck" Singh started use of this grim terminology.

    If you want it to stop, that is where you need to take your request.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sher singh, @Barbarossa

    , @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPEQ0islVZU

    Lol they censored every part fo the song except where he says Nigger.

    A123 is a zogbot shill I only respond to tell him to stfu.

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  986. @YetAnotherAnon
    I see Russia are leaving Snake Island.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/30/ukraine-forces-reportedly-recapture-snake-island-in-strategic-win


    Russia’s ministry of defence stated that it had completed its assigned tasks and was tactically withdrawing to allow for grain exports from Ukraine’s Black Sea ports.

    “In order to organise humanitarian grain corridors as part of the implementation of joint agreements reached with the participation of the UN, the Russian Federation decided to leave its positions on Zmiinyi Island,” the defence ministry said.
     

    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    "We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. "

    Looks as if this has come to pass.

    Discussions here tend to be "US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master" vs "Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!" which I don't think illuminates much.

    It's possible that Russia wants to call a ceasefire, but it's highly unlikely IMHO that the US and UK will let Ukraine agree to one. Boris needs a war for his own survival, and the State Department will be encouraging Zelensky to take a hard line.

    I still find it amazing that the US actually wanted this war, but it's a tribute to their complete control of the narrative that Europe/UK political elites are impoverishing their own citizens with 10%-plus inflation, having previously impoverished them via mass immigration, and seem to be getting away with it.

    I think we all should order our potassium iodide or iodate tablets in good time, as this could get a whole lot worse.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodine-131#Common_treatment_method

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @LondonBob, @LatW, @Barbarossa

    Discussions here tend to be “US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master” vs “Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!” which I don’t think illuminates much.

    Yes. I wish there was less of the cyclical rehashing of the same tired positions.

    For what it’s worth, I told AK many many threads ago that (in response to one of his “shock and disbelief” comments) in my opinion the war was a strategic misstep for both Ukraine and Russia, but it would be spun as an great victory by both sides under virtually any outcome. In reality the war will probably be unsatisfactory unsatisfactory for both parties, though others like the US and China are happy to accrue advantage where they can.

    This position seems to be substantially borne out by events, just based on a non-partisan and common sense read of things. I guess there isn’t any propaganda value in that though.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Barbarossa

    The problem with your "both sides" position is that, while of course the war is a disaster for Ukraine, there is nothing bar accepting a much disaster that they could have done to avoid it.

    This is why I am extremely sympathetic towards them. Russian wanted to regain its false pride by crushing Ukraine, and Ukraine has to suffer immensely to not be crushed.

    The only karma is that Ukrainians get to fight for genuine glory, that of defending their homeland against pointless aggression, whereas Russians have no idea what they are fighting for.

  987. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Here Be Dragon

    The pertinent science has not changed since the amplifier was made modern so there is no reason a stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality if it was engineered and manufactured with care. When did they start making mass commercial CD's? '85?

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100's of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    Transhumanist whackos are in for a big surprise when their physicians inform them they need to get their affairs in order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality… CD’s? ’85

    Hi-fi was already quite mature technologically in the 1960s/1970s, so today you could build a nice sounding hi-fi using the vintage (i.e. 1960s-) components. You could build a hi-fi with 1960s equipment, and it could sound multiple times better than speakers most young people are listening today from (Amazon Alexa?)

    In particular, with the development of the CD by Sony engineers from the late 1970s, the 1982 introduced encoding of 44100 samples/second * 16 bits/sample, is more information than can be audibly perceived. . Engineers can need higher values so they have the headroom when processing the music. There isn’t encoding improvement beyond this in the final product. This is a technological maturity in the encoding.

    Still, it is easier and cheaper nowadays for hi-fi fans, to attain good results with their hi-fi. Prices for amplification have been falling.

    In terms of speakers, there is an easy improvement of using active DSP crossovers. (Although some of hi-fi puritans will be angry about this method, as you are adding another conversion from digital to analogue to digital to analogue).

    Another change of recent years, are the availability of the room correction software like the “dirac live”.

    At the same time that price for good hi-fi has been falling, the young people today, are increasingly not interested in hi-fi.

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100’s of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    The situation with violins is interesting, where the best instruments cannot be produced anymore. The ability for producing the world’s best violins, has been lost since 18th century Italy. While with other musical instruments, this is usually not the situation.

    But if you think about the overall improvements for music fans. There is the improvement in e,g, acoustics engineering. There were good and bad concert halls in the 19th century, but you wouldn’t easily control and predict what will sound good. There were often surprises, when the first music is played, in the new hall. Even in the 20th century, sometimes people were very disappointed about a new hall, after the first concert, as it could sound much worse than you had hoped for.

    But today, it became at least majority science and they can reliably build a good sounding concert hall.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @Dmitry


    The situation with violins is interesting, where the best instruments cannot be produced anymore. The ability for producing the world’s best violins, has been lost since 18th century Italy.
     
    This is not how that is.

    There were other famous violin luthiers but their workshops were smaller, so their violins are less known but not less appreciated.

    The reason an old violin sounds better is the wood – as it ages it produces more overtones.
  988. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Higher standards?
     
    Look, I wasn't talking about NATO vs Russia. I was talking specifically about the way the likes of Mikel (for years) addressed the Donbas issue. And how they were attacking my people as well (undeservedly). Ukraine was the victim there and was forced to defend itself. Plenty of Ukrainians were killed by the Russians (including wounded deliberately killed off in Ilovaisk), yet the likes of Mikel held the Ukrainians to a much higher standard of guilt.

    You try to ignore it and so look like a deceitful loser. Why NATO can and Russia can’t? What is the answer?
     
    You know, you're really going out of your way to pull this "guilt by association" BS. I'm talking purely about states that deserve to be sovereign to protect their nations. Ukraine up until 2014 wasn't even seriously considering a Western orientation. Russia waged wars all the way from 1993.


    but you used to be more level-headed.
     
    Russia didn't yet used to murder children in their sleep at the current levels (although they did do it in Syria), Russia didn't yet used to bomb near where my maternal heritage is at, and had not yet stepped on a genocidal path. All they deserve is cold, calculating hatred from now on.

    p.s. You turn really boring when you do the broken record of "Serbia" over and over. I was young at the time but I do remember reading about those atrocities at the time (especially the ones affecting women). Alas, life is complex, we did the right thing by joining NATO -- it is more than obvious now.

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @Beckow

    …this “guilt by association” BS

    When we point out to you that NATO and its wanna-be enthusiastic sidekick in Kiev did things that were worse than this war Russia had started (or continued), and did them first, all you can answer is a lame cliche of “guilt by association”, or even more lame “broken record” defense.

    Not really: the NATO wars that I listed happened recently, they were bloody, killed civilians, and there was no – zero – consequence. That in world’s view disqualifies NATO and its eager sidekicks from complaining about Russia now doing the same. That’s the view among 60-75% of global population – check out Pew surveys. Suddenly it is “complex”. Sure it is, so is this war.

    Ukraine up until 2014 wasn’t even seriously considering a Western orientation.

    What was the “Orange Revolution” of 2004-5, and the very pro-Western gment in Kiev 2005-10?

    All they deserve is cold, calculating hatred from now on.

    Enjoy. You will get it back, and all sides will be worse off. There was a much better alternative if Kiev had any sense of reality. Instead they actively and stupidly provoked this carnage. They will lose even what they had, being a vassal has a high price.

  989. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    Nice 180, Mikel. You spent years on this blog criticizing Russia’s neighbors and holding them to a much higher standard than the Russians themselves were ever held to. You deliberately avoided holding Russia accountable for the violence and transgressions they had already committed in 2014.
     
    Nonsense. I don't mind making a U-turn when the evidence shows that I'm wrong but the fact is that right now I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.

    I couldn't feel less sorry for having opposed Ukraine's killing of its own civilians when they tried to retake Donbass and you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia's actions (eg Skripal) before this war.

    But, as I once told Mr Hack, I do regret that once or twice I used some unflattering language about Ukrainians, which is a different thing altogether. At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.


    You must understand that Western Russophiles are partly guilty for this Ukrainian tragedy.
     
    I think that the opposite is clearly true. By unleashing this war Putin has decided to give up on the West altogether and burn all bridges with the few allies he had among us. He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he's been demonized and sanctioned for being.

    But as I said, the Russians are also to blame due to their duplicity and lack of understanding of the Western mentality.


    You’re completely delusional about the Russian character.
     
    It's not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia's neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them? I didn't see much evidence of that during the 1st Donbass War and the fact that you interpret my comment as a "180" (if not as an endorsement of Ukraine) suggests that you can also be a victim of the "with me or against me" attitude that prevails East of you.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin's own party) who have expressed opposition to this war. I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war. There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine's own interest but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war. There must have been lots of people in Ukraine that opposed the Donbass war, especially among the voters of pro-Russian parties, but it looks like criticizing it was off-limits in the Ukrainian public discourse, contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.

    Every normal person is critical of such by default and nothing is more simple than condemning senseless killing. It’s a bit of a platitude (and I sense that you’re almost implying that we’re somehow agreeable to people being needlessly hurt).

    I’m not sure if it’s adequate to equate Russia and Ukraine here, one is an aggressor, the other a victim. Donbas is partially a victim, too, stuck between two sides.

    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have — only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don’t remember you objecting to it. I understand if you’re not able to relate to that but it’s real for us.

    [MORE]

    you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia’s actions (eg Skripal) before this war.

    I don’t recall you criticizing the many instances of Russia’s violence against Ukraine prior to February 2022. Skripal is peanuts compared to what Russia did in Donbas (decimation of the wounded soldiers, expulsion of people from Donbas, setting up of torture chambers — all criminal actions in a foreign state, not to mention plain old stealing of industrial assets & natural resources). You seem to have no problem with those things, as I’ve never heard you say anything about it.

    At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.

    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians). So for some subjective reasons you’re ticked off at the Western mainstream ethos and just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don’t you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you’re unable to address or fight them directly (the way that the old dissidents in the Soviet Union used to fight tyranny).

    He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he’s been demonized and sanctioned for being.

    Oh yea? Well, I think he made a move not because he was disillusioned with the West (the break with the West happened already in 2007), but because he could (or thought he could). The West was tired from Covid and internal divisions, even Western leaders (Trump, Macron) were trashing NATO, and commodities were getting expensive. It was a good time to do this. Had Ukraine had more time to develop its missile production, the window of opportunity could’ve closed.

    It’s not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia’s neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them?

    What does that have to do with anything? I simply said that you’re delusional if you think Russia will ever apologize or humble herself. They’re in a completely different mode right now. This is one of the most basic things about Russia.

    suggests that you can also be a victim of the “with me or against me” attitude that prevails East of you

    .

    I’m not a victim of anything. When someone starts killing your children, then this distinction is absolutely normal and understandable. This is not some attitude that “prevails East of you”, but an attitude in any healthy society.

    Ok, maybe I was wrong about the 180, let’s say, it’s a 100 instead.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war.

    Yes, that was a very good list. I have followed several of those individuals for a long time. The thing about that list is that some of the individuals on the left column are either exiled, heavily marginalized or deplatformed. I understand that when a country is at war (although Russia doesn’t even have the balls to call this for what it is), one must stifle all opposition and criticisms of the military. And this is what Russia has done.

    I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war.

    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban’ region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

    There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine’s own interest

    That’s a very bold proposition and a big deal. Most countries are very sensitive towards giving up any territory. The Ukrainian public is against this (and this might be against their constitution).

    but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war

    This was a time of chaos and great hurt. The kind you probably can’t fathom. You have never been attacked in that manner.

    contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.

    Well, in Russia there is peer pressure now to not criticize the military and Putin. You can still do it in some cases (the ethno nationalist Dmitry Demushkin does it now but is much less outspoken than before). But others, such as Nevzorov, were forced into exile (granted, he can be pretty nutty). Many are in exile now.

    • Replies: @216
    @LatW


    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have — only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don’t remember you objecting to it. I understand if you’re not able to relate to that but it’s real for us.

     

    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you'd be risking jail. I for one don't see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive. Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state and this is rarely condemned in the West, while far-right petty vandalism receives exemplary sentencing and media denunciation.

    Official Ukrainian propaganda doesn't emphasize that Ukrainians are much more religious than Brits, French and Germans, and Russians for that matter. Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.

    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban’ region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

     

    I cannot see a path for victory by Ukraine that doesn't involve finding a way to occupy and hold Russian territory; in order to trade this occupied territory for Donbass/Crimea. The geography does not give any easy options, so perhaps carving off a piece of Belarus could trigger a mutiny there, which might then spread into Russia.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @LatW


    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians).
     
    If you're not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia's neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster. But that doesn't really imply any sense of superiority. I actually think that we're worse in some important ways. In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being) but in this conflict you've put the gasoline with your old feuds and we've put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them. This silly choice of ours that has taken us to a dangerous new Cold War is also connected to our inability to leave people alone in other parts of the world and always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.


    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have
     
    You've actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don't care.

    You know perfectly well that there were many such small children killed, maimed or left orphaned in Donbass too. Whether you realize it or not, what you're claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances. My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances. I am fully aware that in a war there are those who are in the right and those whose motives are more questionable or outright evil. But that doesn't relieve the "good side" from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict. AP, AK, AnonfromTN and you are wasting your time pointing out the political circumstances around these atrocities. I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.

    just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don’t you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you’re unable to address or fight them directly
     
    I'm not sure what you're on about here but now that Laxa had stopped treating us to her insufferable psychobabble, you're not going to take over from her, are you??

    Replies: @LatW

  990. Triteleia Laxa [AKA "Aether"] says:
    @Barbarossa
    @YetAnotherAnon


    Discussions here tend to be “US is crap LOL, senile Biden, Ukraine no chance, Putin 23-D chess master” vs “Putin dying, wants to be Peter The Great, Russia is crap LOL, has no chance with our wonder weapons, Slava Ukraini!” which I don’t think illuminates much.
     
    Yes. I wish there was less of the cyclical rehashing of the same tired positions.

    For what it's worth, I told AK many many threads ago that (in response to one of his "shock and disbelief" comments) in my opinion the war was a strategic misstep for both Ukraine and Russia, but it would be spun as an great victory by both sides under virtually any outcome. In reality the war will probably be unsatisfactory unsatisfactory for both parties, though others like the US and China are happy to accrue advantage where they can.

    This position seems to be substantially borne out by events, just based on a non-partisan and common sense read of things. I guess there isn't any propaganda value in that though.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    The problem with your “both sides” position is that, while of course the war is a disaster for Ukraine, there is nothing bar accepting a much disaster that they could have done to avoid it.

    This is why I am extremely sympathetic towards them. Russian wanted to regain its false pride by crushing Ukraine, and Ukraine has to suffer immensely to not be crushed.

    The only karma is that Ukrainians get to fight for genuine glory, that of defending their homeland against pointless aggression, whereas Russians have no idea what they are fighting for.

  991. 216 says: • Website
    @AP
    @216


    You can’t build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door.
     
    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different, Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism. Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction. The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.

    These “nationalisms” are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride
     
    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way. I did hear Catalan nationalism is like that though.

    The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%
     
    That's still pretty low. Ukraine has more significant problems at the moment.

    Replies: @216, @Sean, @Gerard1234

    Linguistic differences between Flemish and French are more significant, but Flemish separatists are suppressed and subverted, despite multiple times where pro-independence parties had a majority.

    Why? Because this separatism, like Texas separatism, is right-wing.

    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way.

    Polish nationalism is very similar to Irish nationalism, and barring a severe course correction is headed to the same degenerate results.

    The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.

    It has been called Eire and Scots for millennia. The term Ukraine is little more than a hundred years old, and imposed by a foreign army. It is analogous to the term “Sioux” which they don’t call themselves, but was given to them by enemies. Nor was Catalonia ever an actual state, it was called Aragon.

    Ukrainians are more democratic

    Every President imposed since 1991 has been regarded as an unpopular despot on their way out. But at least there have been more changes in party control than NY or CA, which haven’t elected a GOP Senator in more than 30 years.

  992. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Yeesh. We're getting to the "war of the bloody penis insults" stage of the discussion. Grim.

    Replies: @A123, @sher singh

    BJP “Cuck” Singh started use of this grim terminology.

    If you want it to stop, that is where you need to take your request.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @A123

    You're literally circumcised, Punjab has never had a BJP government.
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/992320098775859220/unknown.png

    , @Barbarossa
    @A123

    No worries, I find it all mildly amusing. Sher Singh's over the top, extravagant insults are always worth a laugh...


    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    I mean...come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.

    Replies: @A123, @sher singh

  993. Someone should make a movie about red squirrels in Ireland or the UK being driven out and killed by grey squirrels. Sort of like Watership Down, but with squirrels. At the start, their homes can be cut down to make housing estates for foreigners.

    In the ’50s, Disney made a movie about squirrels called Perri, shooting 300,000 feet of film of real life squirrels and then editing it down.

  994. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    (google says 1988 was the cd/vinyl crossover so by 1985 the handwriting must have been legibly on the wall for just about all)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    1982 is the year when CDs, finally begin sales, after several years of hype.

    In 1982, the great Karajan, has been the face of the CD, for Sony and Philips.

    There is Karajan and Sony co-founder Akio Morita, in 1981, in Saltzburg, showing the technology for journalists.

    Karajan already has Deutsche Grammophon CD for his finger.

    In the beginning, CD was not going to be such an immediate audio difference for pop music fans, but more for classical music fans.

    Classical music fans (of that epoch), were obsessed about removing “hiss” during the quiet parts of music, while vinyl and tape produces “hiss”.

    For pop music fans, this “hiss” is not important, as there are less dynamics and without time of quiet in the music, where you can be annoyed by “hiss”.

    So, CD was desired more for the classical music community. But of course, in terms of introducing the digitalization of music, andthe information storage in general, it was an important historical change for everyone.

  995. 216 says: • Website
    @LatW
    @Mikel


    I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.
     
    Every normal person is critical of such by default and nothing is more simple than condemning senseless killing. It's a bit of a platitude (and I sense that you're almost implying that we're somehow agreeable to people being needlessly hurt).

    I'm not sure if it's adequate to equate Russia and Ukraine here, one is an aggressor, the other a victim. Donbas is partially a victim, too, stuck between two sides.

    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another's state. Our states are all we have -- only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don't remember you objecting to it. I understand if you're not able to relate to that but it's real for us.


    you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia’s actions (eg Skripal) before this war.
     
    I don't recall you criticizing the many instances of Russia's violence against Ukraine prior to February 2022. Skripal is peanuts compared to what Russia did in Donbas (decimation of the wounded soldiers, expulsion of people from Donbas, setting up of torture chambers -- all criminal actions in a foreign state, not to mention plain old stealing of industrial assets & natural resources). You seem to have no problem with those things, as I've never heard you say anything about it.

    At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.
     
    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians). So for some subjective reasons you're ticked off at the Western mainstream ethos and just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don't you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you're unable to address or fight them directly (the way that the old dissidents in the Soviet Union used to fight tyranny).

    He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he’s been demonized and sanctioned for being.
     
    Oh yea? Well, I think he made a move not because he was disillusioned with the West (the break with the West happened already in 2007), but because he could (or thought he could). The West was tired from Covid and internal divisions, even Western leaders (Trump, Macron) were trashing NATO, and commodities were getting expensive. It was a good time to do this. Had Ukraine had more time to develop its missile production, the window of opportunity could've closed.

    It’s not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia’s neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them?
     
    What does that have to do with anything? I simply said that you're delusional if you think Russia will ever apologize or humble herself. They're in a completely different mode right now. This is one of the most basic things about Russia.

    suggests that you can also be a victim of the “with me or against me” attitude that prevails East of you
     
    .

    I'm not a victim of anything. When someone starts killing your children, then this distinction is absolutely normal and understandable. This is not some attitude that "prevails East of you", but an attitude in any healthy society.

    Ok, maybe I was wrong about the 180, let's say, it's a 100 instead.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war.
     
    Yes, that was a very good list. I have followed several of those individuals for a long time. The thing about that list is that some of the individuals on the left column are either exiled, heavily marginalized or deplatformed. I understand that when a country is at war (although Russia doesn't even have the balls to call this for what it is), one must stifle all opposition and criticisms of the military. And this is what Russia has done.


    I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war.
     
    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban' region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

    There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine’s own interest
     
    That's a very bold proposition and a big deal. Most countries are very sensitive towards giving up any territory. The Ukrainian public is against this (and this might be against their constitution).

    but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war
     
    This was a time of chaos and great hurt. The kind you probably can't fathom. You have never been attacked in that manner.

    contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.
     
    Well, in Russia there is peer pressure now to not criticize the military and Putin. You can still do it in some cases (the ethno nationalist Dmitry Demushkin does it now but is much less outspoken than before). But others, such as Nevzorov, were forced into exile (granted, he can be pretty nutty). Many are in exile now.

    Replies: @216, @Mikel

    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have — only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don’t remember you objecting to it. I understand if you’re not able to relate to that but it’s real for us.

    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you’d be risking jail. I for one don’t see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive. Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state and this is rarely condemned in the West, while far-right petty vandalism receives exemplary sentencing and media denunciation.

    Official Ukrainian propaganda doesn’t emphasize that Ukrainians are much more religious than Brits, French and Germans, and Russians for that matter. Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.

    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban’ region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

    I cannot see a path for victory by Ukraine that doesn’t involve finding a way to occupy and hold Russian territory; in order to trade this occupied territory for Donbass/Crimea. The geography does not give any easy options, so perhaps carving off a piece of Belarus could trigger a mutiny there, which might then spread into Russia.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @216


    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you’d be risking jail.
     
    I highly doubt it. Don't think you understood what I meant. I meant that only the state can protect its citizens. It has nothing to do with race (at least not directly). If something happens to you overseas or even in your home country, it's not going to be Russian or any other state to come to your assistance, but only yours.


    I for one don’t see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive.
     
    It would be extremely oppressive, because Ukrainians don't want it, and it would be unnatural because because we all told Russia in 1991 that we want to live separate from them. It's been 30 years and a whole new generation has grown up. The Ukrainian nation is also very large. Even if it was part of some larger state, it would still carve out its own space.

    Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state
     
    Yea, but the Israelis protect their state, tooth and nail. I have actually been inside an Israeli embassy, they have some very thorough security procedures. More so than others. It's almost kind of admirable.

    Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.
     
    First of all, that's not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don't owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests. Leave Ukraine alone and deal with the Gay Disco on your own turf. Ah, but that's too tough, because that requires REAL action. That's much harder than yapping on some obscure website and being verbally abusive to a foreign people that's being battered. Do you welcome the destruction of every single state that supports the Gay Disco? Why don't you start with the ones that are closer to home.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke

  996. IMO, Japan should enter into isolationism again, to the point where they could eliminate the need for people to wear face masks. The harsh lockdowns that would be needed to achieve this would only be temporary. The ports could be handled by robots. They could eliminate the common cold and seasonal flu, and probably a dozen or more other diseases.

    • Replies: @acementhead
    @songbird


    "... to the point where they could eliminate the need for people to wear face masks."
     
    There is no "need" to wear face-masks now. Face-masks are pure Kabuki and an important part of the medical terrorism that has held most of the world in thrall for more than two years. FMs are totally useless in preventing the spread of corona viruses. No cost/benefit analyses have been published to show a net benefit. The social cost(of masks) is horrendous.

    Replies: @songbird

  997. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AP

    The Moaoris would enjoy eating you and your family after the shit hits the fan. That will be the only viable group in New Zealand. They aren't going to call it New Zealand.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @AP, @acementhead

    They aren’t going to call it New Zealand.

    New Zealand has already been renamed ‘Aotearoa’ by the lunatic left-wing government of NZ. White taxpayers are paying tens of millions of dollars(could be over a hundred million- I haven’t tried to look it up) a year for some ‘Maori’ academics to invent a new language, that they call “Te Reo”, that is being forced on the people of NZ. The Maori gangs are armed and they have tens of thousands of members. The Ardern government finances them. White New Zealanders have been near totally disarmed.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @acementhead

    Maybe Peter Thiel et al could put their post nuclear apocalypse Shangri La in Antarctica. No doubt penguins are nutritious!

  998. @A123
    @Jazman

    What we need most are alternate topics.

    It is self evident that Ukrainian discrimination and violence targeting Russian Orthodox Christians is the core problem. And, that Zelensky is taking millions of WEF €uros to prolong Ukraine's grinding defeat. Alas, the Ukie Maximalists cannot cope with this reality and have become near 100% Trolls.

    If we could stop talking about Ukraine's inevitable loss, we could move on to more interesting subjects.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    I get a kick out of your confusion in coming up with your own version of Bizarro commandments:

    1) Israel could have taken the moral high road by supporting Russia’s defense against Kiev’s senseless aggression.

    2) It is self evident that Ukrainian discrimination and violence targeting Russian Orthodox Christians is the core problem.

    I’d like to help you complete your list, or at least provide you with some inspirations to complete your list. These are original customs and insights of the Bizarro people from the planet of Htrae, ovbiously somewhere where you’ll soon be taking up residence:

    3) garbage collectors bring garbage to homes.

    4) Junk is valuable.

    5) Alarm clocks are used to sleep instead wake up.

    6) Bizarro children give snakes to their teachers instead of apples.

    7) Automobile tires are square.

    8) Green light means stop; red light means go.

    9) They plant weeds instead of flowers.

    10) Entrances are exits; and vice-versa.*

    *This last insight is important for understanding and deciphering your contention that “Kyiv is the senseless aggressor” and that Russia is the morally pure “defender” in the current war. It is a “war” in your way of thinking isn’t it kremlinstoogeA123? Or is it a “military operation”? Bizarre!

  999. @songbird
    IMO, Japan should enter into isolationism again, to the point where they could eliminate the need for people to wear face masks. The harsh lockdowns that would be needed to achieve this would only be temporary. The ports could be handled by robots. They could eliminate the common cold and seasonal flu, and probably a dozen or more other diseases.

    Replies: @acementhead

    “… to the point where they could eliminate the need for people to wear face masks.”

    There is no “need” to wear face-masks now. Face-masks are pure Kabuki and an important part of the medical terrorism that has held most of the world in thrall for more than two years. FMs are totally useless in preventing the spread of corona viruses. No cost/benefit analyses have been published to show a net benefit. The social cost(of masks) is horrendous.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @acementhead

    They feel the social need to wear masks, with or without Covid. What I am saying is that they could eliminate that feeling, by eliminating many viruses, through radical national isolationism and a temporary period of stringent lockdowns.

    IMO, would be worth it just to improve the aesthetics of the place (i.e. ditching the masks), not even considering eliminating sick days and the potential health damage done by everyday viruses. Nor considering the benefit of removing pernicious foreign influences.

    And I would appreciate them moving the Overton window on immigration by closing their borders to all visitors.

  1000. @Dmitry
    @AP

    You have to be very illiterate about history, if you imagine a Russian Empire would have accepted an independent and hostile Ukraine, or not gone to a military option, as the Russian Federation is today.

    In relation to the imperialist external policy, the political and culture situation in the Russian Empire, you can read the critical letters of the celebrities to the government from almost 130 years, and feel they are writing about today. http://az.lib.ru/t/tolstoj_lew_nikolaewich/text_0750-1.shtml

    In terms of the economics, education level or industrialization, Russia is reversing. But in many aspects the politics there is more than average historical continuity, despite a couple re-branding projects.

    Replies: @AP

    You have to be very illiterate about history, if you imagine a Russian Empire would have accepted an independent and hostile Ukraine, or not gone to a military option, as the Russian Federation is today.

    I don’t understand why you imply that I would disagree with that.

  1001. @acementhead
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    They aren’t going to call it New Zealand.
     
    New Zealand has already been renamed 'Aotearoa' by the lunatic left-wing government of NZ. White taxpayers are paying tens of millions of dollars(could be over a hundred million- I haven't tried to look it up) a year for some 'Maori' academics to invent a new language, that they call "Te Reo", that is being forced on the people of NZ. The Maori gangs are armed and they have tens of thousands of members. The Ardern government finances them. White New Zealanders have been near totally disarmed.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Maybe Peter Thiel et al could put their post nuclear apocalypse Shangri La in Antarctica. No doubt penguins are nutritious!

  1002. LatW says:
    @216
    @LatW


    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have — only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don’t remember you objecting to it. I understand if you’re not able to relate to that but it’s real for us.

     

    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you'd be risking jail. I for one don't see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive. Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state and this is rarely condemned in the West, while far-right petty vandalism receives exemplary sentencing and media denunciation.

    Official Ukrainian propaganda doesn't emphasize that Ukrainians are much more religious than Brits, French and Germans, and Russians for that matter. Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.

    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban’ region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

     

    I cannot see a path for victory by Ukraine that doesn't involve finding a way to occupy and hold Russian territory; in order to trade this occupied territory for Donbass/Crimea. The geography does not give any easy options, so perhaps carving off a piece of Belarus could trigger a mutiny there, which might then spread into Russia.

    Replies: @LatW

    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you’d be risking jail.

    I highly doubt it. Don’t think you understood what I meant. I meant that only the state can protect its citizens. It has nothing to do with race (at least not directly). If something happens to you overseas or even in your home country, it’s not going to be Russian or any other state to come to your assistance, but only yours.

    I for one don’t see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive.

    It would be extremely oppressive, because Ukrainians don’t want it, and it would be unnatural because because we all told Russia in 1991 that we want to live separate from them. It’s been 30 years and a whole new generation has grown up. The Ukrainian nation is also very large. Even if it was part of some larger state, it would still carve out its own space.

    Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state

    Yea, but the Israelis protect their state, tooth and nail. I have actually been inside an Israeli embassy, they have some very thorough security procedures. More so than others. It’s almost kind of admirable.

    Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.

    First of all, that’s not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don’t owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests. Leave Ukraine alone and deal with the Gay Disco on your own turf. Ah, but that’s too tough, because that requires REAL action. That’s much harder than yapping on some obscure website and being verbally abusive to a foreign people that’s being battered. Do you welcome the destruction of every single state that supports the Gay Disco? Why don’t you start with the ones that are closer to home.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @LatW


    First of all, that’s not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don’t owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests.
     
    Imo, some of this is the result of the weird juxtaposition of positions governments like the UK have adopted, where there is strong official support for Ukraine, at the same time as strong official support for very significant levels of continuous immigration and resulting demographic change within its own borders.

    As a result of the establishment position the two things can end up getting intermingled, where pro-Ukraine also looks like a branch of support for mass immigration and CRT/decolonisation type stuff (sometimes Putin is bizarrely portrayed as a WN), though none of this actually has anything to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and what is going in EE generally.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Wokechoke
    @LatW

    The Gay Disco is moving in to Poland. It's called the 5th. A guy called General Cavoli is taking the Disco and ramming it up your fundament.

  1003. @acementhead
    @songbird


    "... to the point where they could eliminate the need for people to wear face masks."
     
    There is no "need" to wear face-masks now. Face-masks are pure Kabuki and an important part of the medical terrorism that has held most of the world in thrall for more than two years. FMs are totally useless in preventing the spread of corona viruses. No cost/benefit analyses have been published to show a net benefit. The social cost(of masks) is horrendous.

    Replies: @songbird

    They feel the social need to wear masks, with or without Covid. What I am saying is that they could eliminate that feeling, by eliminating many viruses, through radical national isolationism and a temporary period of stringent lockdowns.

    IMO, would be worth it just to improve the aesthetics of the place (i.e. ditching the masks), not even considering eliminating sick days and the potential health damage done by everyday viruses. Nor considering the benefit of removing pernicious foreign influences.

    And I would appreciate them moving the Overton window on immigration by closing their borders to all visitors.

  1004. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW


    S90 was a later
     
    S-90 may be earlier. But those are the large speakers. When you look at S-90, you know "wife/girlfriend acceptance for interior decoration" could have been a problem, especially with Soviet apartment sizes.

    I'm guessing even smaller S-30 was just on the border of what your father was allowed?


    e people are still into that vintage stuff.

     

    Yes and some nice social media groups where people are collecting the Soviet equipment. Just now someone has posted about 1980s Estonian CD players, from the famous factory in Tallin https://vk.com/retrosoundshop

    Although to be honest my hi-fi interest is mainly relating to the newest technologies. But old equipment can be working perfectly. We could build a good hi-fi for Mr Hack's home cinema system for about $200, from such Soviet hi-fi sales, and a lot of it in good condition enough without even needing to use a soldering iron.

    Replies: @LatW

    When you look at S-90, you know “wife/girlfriend acceptance for interior decoration” could have been a problem, especially with Soviet apartment sizes. I’m guessing even smaller S-30 was just on the border of what your father was allowed?

    Hahah, good one. Well, you have to allow at least some of your spouse’s little pleasures. But, yea, S-90 are super clunky, I guess, you can use them as a coffee table. LOL

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    Although to be honest my hi-fi interest is mainly relating to the newest technologies.

    Yea, me too, I like cute earbuds or nice, comfortable Bose headphones.

    We could build a good hi-fi for Mr Hack’s home cinema system for about $200, from such Soviet hi-fi sales

    I don’t know, I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better, or this is the traditional belief of the 20th century audio fans. Until the last couple decades, when it becomes confusing. In 1970s studio monitors like NS-1000, are weighing 60 kg for two.

    But nowadays there is Genelec from the minimalist Nordic culture, which makes professional studio monitors that are compact. There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XgwajAz0dw

    Although Genelec is professional monitors that will sound as good as any old system, I don't think many traditionalist hi-fi communities want to pay $9500 for audio systems which look this "acceptable for girls".


    I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

     

    Well Mr Hack said he is divorced. Now he is free to convert his living room to somewhere which looks like a Soviet space program with dozens of wires on the carpet.

    And then there is AP by comparison, who claims he is happy listening to audio in his car, as his wife probably doesn't accept a single visible wire in their house.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

  1005. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    https://i.postimg.cc/K8M5Qpmx/Dr-Chimpanzee.jpg


    Not big [the difference is], but not imperceptible.
     
    The ethnic Russians happen to be on the OECD mean, on average, i.e. 50 percent of the ethnic Russians have an IQ between of 100. The white Americans are two points above the mean, i.e. 50 percent have an IQ of 102.

    This means that 5 percent of the white Americans are 2 points better than ethnic Russians, i.e. one of 20 is 2 points better and that's rather imperceptible. The intelligence classification is in 10 point steps.


    Do you include 2 year technical degrees also, or only 4 year university degrees? You are clearly mistaken.
     
    Yes there was a small error. That's for the bachelor's degree and above, Russia is on the top of the rating with 54 percent, the US is on 35.

    https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/education-at-a-glance-2016_eag-2016-en#page43


    The German system is superior because most people should not have university education.
     
    The German system is superior, because most people can do as they prefer, and have a better choice. You can begin the studies for one degree, then change your mind and go for another. You do not risk anything if you fail to finish.

    Because Canadians are slightly smarter than Americans, these questions will be a little more difficult relative to the American items in order to result in the average score of 100.
     
    You continue to amaze me with this complete ineptitude in mathematics.

    The questions are comparable, for example, for the US it can be, "How far is it, from Colorado to Michigan" and for Canada it's like "How far is it, from Quebec to Yukon" – the same kind of question, but for a correct answer in the US test there are, for example, 0.27 points and in the Canadian test it's like 0.23, these coefficients is what is called the norms.

    Read those articles, there it was explained how these values are calibrated.


    And [the norms] can’t be [the same] on the WAIS, because the items are not the same in all the countries. One of the studies mentioned using the same norms on the nonverbal parts of the WAIS (which are the same in all countries).
     
    These items not the same in all the countries are 26 questions in the information section, it doesn't matter that much.

    The test has four index scores and is composed of 10 subtest sections, i.e. we have 25 percent of the full score for each of the four index scores. The mean is supposed to be set at 100, so the result is calibrated to fit.

    For example the Canadians are scoring higher than the Americans, so the norms have to be changed. Each of the subtest sections is checked and the needed corrections are made, so that each of the four indexes was in sum total 25 percent of the average score, and the average score was 100 points.

    This is done with coefficients, for example if the second index is on average 28 rather than 25 then it has to be reduced. The former is called the raw score, and it has to be scaled.

    28 : 25 = 1.12, so in our case the score for this index should be scaled like X : 1.12, this coefficient is what constitutes the norms. These norms have to be revisited once in a while and recalibrated, because people are getting smarter.

    And of course it's a little more complicated than that.

    For example, the second index is Verbal Comprehension, there are 92 questions in four subtest groups. There's not the same number of questions in a group, and the number of points for an answer is not the same for all questions.

    So the score for each question has to be reduced in the right proportion, and in the degree that makes the sum total of the mean go from 28 to 25, and the same should be done with other three indexes so that the full mean score is 100, on average.

    So for example if we have 20 questions in the index that are supposed to give us 25 points on average, and one group of questions is 1 point for each and the other are the difficult ones, so it's 2 or 3 points for each, and the maximum score for this index is 40.

    There are 5 for 1, and 10 for 2, and 5 for 3.

    Most people in the US answer the first 5 and the next 10, but not the last 5. But the Canadians are smarter, most of them answer to one of the last 5, and that raises the average to 28, and we need it to be 25.

    The solution seems to be to scale each question like in the example above, X : 1.12, but in this case the maximum score for this index will be reduced from 40 to 35, and if we have the same situation with other indexes, and we will, the maximum score for the entire test will be reduced to 140.

    And in this case there will be no Canadians who are smarter than 140, but there will be Americans who are. The average will be the same for both but the maximum will be different. The ranges will be wrong and the classifiation confusing.

    Though the mean has to be brought to 100, the maximum must remain 160.

    So there is a method of measuring the significance of each item, from low to moderate to high, and some other parameters and guidelines and that's complicated.


    But in doing so [using the same norms on the nonverbal parts] you are just repeating the studies with the Ravens, which is also nonverbal and is actually more comprehensive than the WAIS on the nonverbal component.
     
    Of course not, the Raven's test is shorter, and the studies in that article were not about the norms, but how the items that were changed, like no changes were made to the non-verbal subtests, but some items on the verbal subtests were adapted for that other language.

    RPM does have different norms. But because the items are identical in all countries, one can score the RPM using another country’s norms in order to obtain an IQ for that other country.
     
    You mean something super Ukrainian here – if that is to find out, what one's IQ would be in other countries then it's pointless, if to take the average of one place and find out what the average is in another, it's pointless.

    Slava Ukaraini.

    The purpose of setting the mean sore at 100 is for convenience, for example with the mean 100 and standard deviation 15 it happens that 50 percent of the people in a given place have the score between 90 and 110.

    Since that's a half of the population this range is considered of average intelligence. Then there are gradations in ten point steps, like 120-130 is of superior intelligence. The coefficients are needed to preserve the ranges of these categories.

    The range of superior intelligence has to be between 90 and 98 percent, i.e. people with IQ of 120 are those who are more intelligent than 90 percent of the population, and those of 130 are more intelligent than 98 percent.


    Being beaten by tougher people was at least implied by your words even if not explicitly stated.
     
    No it isn't what was implied. We were too different to get along, and not as tough as we had to be to deal with them. There were conflicts, there were fights, there was a lot of violence in the neighborhood.

    Those fellows were a lot ruder, and healthier, and more violent. But that doesn't mean that we would stand and let them beat us. You can lose a fight, but it doesn't mean being beaten. You might lose a fight but had to resist.

    A classmate, who was a boxer, fought a peasant dude for half an hour.


    I have only had nice experiences with Ukrainian peasants. If simple decent folk have a visceral hatred of someone it reflects evil that was done to them.
     
    No it doesn't, none of them had experienced evil that was done to them. Most peasants in our area were not poor. Most of them had cars, houses and land. Coming to a town was not in order to avoid something, but for career opportunities and a free apartment.

    Factories were opening, workers were needed, a free apartment was given. The village isn't going anywhere, so a lot of young people in the 60's were migrating to cities. A lot of them became cops.

    A few times it happened to me to live in a village a month in summer. Then there were no problems with those people whatsoever. We went fishing every morning, me and the guy who lived nearby. He introduced me to his friends, we communicated well.

    The situation in the town was different and had nothing to do with anything personal, it was a regular Ukrainian peasant culture, one tribe against another, the same as in their villages, where one can't go to the others' turf.


    And in your case their anger was not misapplied. Life under the tsars was fine, and during NEP too. But in the 1930s, the Soviet state raised taxes then stole/confiscated everyone’s land.
     
    You know that my grandparents met during the war. So then you must understand, that the story of my great grandmother couldn't happen in the 30's. She married the man, who was, as an officer, sent to arrest her father on suspicion of him hiding a part of his profit, in order to avoid taxation. That was during the NEP.

    There was nothing criminal in the end, he wasn't hiding anything and wasn't arrested. He agreed to the marriage and blessed his daughter. That's an illustration of the paradoxes of life. He was not a monster.

    Farmers had to pay so called prodnalog during the NEP, it was a kind of progressive taxation, depending on conditions and of a given household. The period that followed wasn't like the state confiscated everyone’s land.

    The land wasn't stolen, but private farms were combined into collective farms. That was an experiment, a stupid one, but peasants were peasants, and with the introduction of tractors it looked like a good idea, at the time – industrialization.

    Farmers lost everything.

    Now there are no people who know how to run a farm. This kind of business is not something one can learn in a college, and for this reason there's no good wine, no good cheese in Russia, etc.


    Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.
     
    Sounds good, like a song, but in truth not more than 30 percent of peasants owned their own land before the revolution.

    They were stealing land from hardworking people who owned it and gave it to the state, which essentially enserfed them.
     
    Something like that, except for most peasants didn't own any land, and it's the poor who are the hardworking people. Farmers didn't work hard, it ain't hard running a farm.

    Many of those farmers were arrested and murdered. My peasant great-grandfather is in a mass grave with thousands of others like him. The work of officers.
     
    So this is where the hatred of officers comes from.

    One of my grandfathers was a battalion commander during the war, he killed some people. The other served at the headquarters and didn't kill. The one who was coming to arrest my great-great grandfather didn't kill.


    A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.
     
    He was no more a monster than any cop, or an FBI agent, who comes to arrest a person for tax evasion. You are an idiot.

    And the grandchild defends this pure evil that his grandfather took part in (it was the law, we were transitioning them to relative freedom).
     
    Those who were sending the farmers to Siberia in the 30's did something evil, but that great grandfather of mine then lived with my great grandmother in a city, and her father had died.

    On the other hand, tell me more about that commie son of a bitch relative of yours, he was for sure a killer, probably a mass murderer. Tell me how many noble people he had to smoke to get that Stalin's flat, where you had the best time of your life.

    Have a good one.

    Replies: @AP

    “Not big [the difference is], but not imperceptible.”

    The ethnic Russians happen to be on the OECD mean, on average, i.e. 50 percent of the ethnic Russians have an IQ between of 100. The white Americans are two points above the mean, i.e. 50 percent have an IQ of 102.

    This means that 5 percent of the white Americans are 2 points better than ethnic Russians, i.e. one of 20 is 2 points better and that’s rather imperceptible. The intelligence classification is in 10 point steps.

    So, if the scores of both the white Americans and the Russians are normally distributed, the average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian, the slightly above average white American also has an IQ 2 points higher than the slightly above average Russian, and so on. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.

    In an individual, a 2 point difference is nearly imperceptible. But across a society, it means there are more smart white American than there are Russians. For example, if it takes a PISA-derived IQ of about 141 to have a Ph.D. in physics, .3% of ethnic Russians are capable of it but .5% of white Americans are. Across the entire populations of 140 million people, this means about ~280,000 more of such people among white Americans than among Russians (or course, most will not become physicists, in America a lot of such people will just go into stuff like medicine, or especially finance – but there is a much larger pool of such people available to the society).

    “Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper.”

    Sounds good, like a song, but in truth not more than 30 percent of peasants owned their own land before the revolution.

    Land ownership in Ukraine was much higher than in Russia (IIRC it was about as high in the Russian Cossack lands of Russia such as along the Don as in Ukraine, but much lower in the rest of Russia). There has been basically no tradition of obshchina in the parts of Ukraine such as the Right Bank (where one of my grandparents was from) and Poltava. It existed in southern Ukraine, but about half the peasants left with their own lands as a result of Stolypin’s reforms.

    Peasant holdings were often small (which is why many Ukrainian peasants moved to the Far East where land was cheap – as natural homesteaders they would rather build a new farm than work in some factory nearby), but it was still the peasants’ own land. This is why forced collectivization was much less popular, and its implementation more brutal, in Ukraine than in Russia.

    Farmers didn’t work hard, it ain’t hard running a farm.

    This sounds like Bolshevik propaganda. The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields. They could also generate some passive revenue, by for example investing in a windmill that their neighbors can use for a fee. This benefits everyone – the owner of the windmill, and the neighbors who no longer have to spend two hours going to another village to get their grain milled.

    Generally, a farmer who worked hard and didn’t spend his windfalls in the tavern but saved it and reinvested in his farm could become richer than one who didn’t work quite as hard, who partied when he had a good harvest some year, etc.

    Farmers had to pay so called prodnalog during the NEP, it was a kind of progressive taxation, depending on conditions and of a given household. The period that followed wasn’t like the state confiscated everyone’s land.

    The way the Bolsheviks collectivized agriculture when they ended NEP was that they simply increased the tax rate to such an extent that no one could pay the tax and in compensation was forced to give up their lands to the state. So every peasant, rich or poor, had his farm taken from him. Perhaps in Russia itself where most peasants still lived on communes this wasn’t a big deal, it was merely an administrative change, but in Ukraine where most farmers were landowners this amounted to forced theft of their lands and a return to the serfdom of their great-grandfathers, with the State being the new master, urban Russians and Jews its enforcers.

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    “A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers.”

    He was no more a monster than any cop, or an FBI agent, who comes to arrest a person for tax evasion

    Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.

    On the other hand, tell me more about that commie son of a bitch relative of yours, he was for sure a killer, probably a mass murderer. Tell me how many noble people he had to smoke to get that Stalin’s flat, where you had the best time of your life.

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned when he was hired by the ЦК КПСС in the early 1980s, obtained the title to when the Soviet system ended, and rented out to the head of a major Western company’s Russian operations (kids moved away or to the West, no need to live in such a big place anymore). It was supposed to buy a more modest place in order to move his elderly mother in from the provinces but right at the moment of buying, prices dropped due to the crash and a much better place materialized for that price. Previous owner had inherited it from his father, some general, he was moving abroad and just wanted to sell it quickly. So very good luck. The mother died a couple years later, I lived there afterwards. Extended family uses it as a place to relax or spend the night after going to the theater or when spending time downtown.

    My relatives engaged in no theft in the 90s, some of their colleagues with the same connections got really rich but they couldn’t bring themselves to it, they just legally rented a place, used it to buy properties which they also rent. Even paid taxes in the 90s when no one else did, to the tax collector’s shock. Idealists.

    Pretty much every rich person in Russia has been involved with mass theft and/or murder, but there exist people who live comfortable lives who were not such.

    The guy came from an Old Bolshevik family who were involved in academics at a high bureaucratic level in one of the provinces, they were not in the security organs and didn’t kill anyone though. But they had been committed Bolsheviks, even knew Krupskaya, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    The average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.
     
    No.

    After finishing the school 54 percent of the Russians will go on to study at the universities and will become smarter, whereas only 35 percent of the Americans will. The average IQ of the college students is 115.

    Most white Americans will degenerate, become fat and stupid, and most ethnic Russians will become a lot more intelligent.


    The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields.
     
    They would hire peasants to work in the fields, it's impossible to run a farm and also work in the fields. Running a farm is not a hard work but it's a full time occupation. A farm is not a small one house enterprise.

    Every peasant, rich or poor, had his farm taken from him. Perhaps in Russia itself where most peasants still lived on communes this wasn’t a big deal, but in Ukraine where most farmers were landowners this amounted to forced theft of their lands and a return to the serfdom.
     
    That was a stupid and wrong decision to take their land and not compensate it. That led to the loss of an entire class of people, who knew how to run a farm; it's impossible to learn it except for on practice.

    A loss of competence in that field is being felt in Russia right now.

    A lot better solution would have been to give them larger pieces of land, in the Far East or in the South Ural, Eastern Siberia, etc. Let them move there, and build new farms. But at the time it must have looked like the old school agriculture was obsolete, with the new machines and technologies, fertilizers, etc.

    Farmers were seen as an obstacle to progress.


    Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.
     
    That was later. We are talking about 1922 here.

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned.
     
    That is, in other words, that person was given a million dollar in real estate, taken from the state budget – a corrupt son of a bitch, in other words. Plain and simple.

    Pretty much every rich person in Russia has been involved with mass theft and/or murder, but there exist people who live comfortable lives who were not such.
     
    Of course, those who were given didn't steal. Excellent logic, professor.

    They had been committed Bolsheviks, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs.
     
    Yes sure. A very evil task, especially considering what these Sharikovs started doing – sending the first man into space, building the first supersonic airliner, reaching Mars, the first in the world, building the first unmanned space shuttle, etc.

    Your wonderful elites are only capable of sitting on their fat ass, on their Chesterfield sofas, sniffing their own farts, while these so called Sharikovs are building hypersonic missiles, pushing the boundaries, being the best – as in Russia, so in China.

    Socialism worked.

    And your country is in deep shit, living in debt, and your high salary is fake. You are not really making this money; if you were paid according to what you in reality produce you would be living in a two bedroom apartment in Brooklyn, and not in a big house. Your country is a bubble, that will soon blow up.

    Then you will see, who the real Sharikov is.

    Replies: @AP

  1006. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    BJP "Cuck" Singh started use of this grim terminology.

    If you want it to stop, that is where you need to take your request.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sher singh, @Barbarossa

    You’re literally circumcised, Punjab has never had a BJP government.

  1007. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Yeesh. We're getting to the "war of the bloody penis insults" stage of the discussion. Grim.

    Replies: @A123, @sher singh

    Lol they censored every part fo the song except where he says Nigger.

    A123 is a zogbot shill I only respond to tell him to stfu.

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    • Replies: @A123
    @sher singh

    Cuck Singh,

    We understand why you are upset:

    -- You will never know your Paki father.
    -- Your "children" carry none of your DNA.

    I had nothing to do with the Sikh traditions that created these truths. So, why lash out at me for being a Christian? If you have trouble dealing with the reality of Sikh submissiveness, you should find a better religion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sher singh

    , @songbird
    @sher singh


    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    Would require too much heavy equipment. Think off all the engine-hours that would add, just for the overkill. Even if you are just using it as a standard unit of mass based on the average, with interchangeable materials.

    Unless, you are already dynamiting a cliff somewhere, or demolishing a skyscraper, and want to make another use of the process.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

  1008. @LatW
    @YetAnotherAnon


    I wrote a week ago (it seems like 3 weeks!)

    “We’ve seen in the last week new US missiles hitting the Snake Island resupply vessels and individual areas of the island. How this plays out is yet to be seen, but it’s possible they could render the island useless as a base. ”

    Looks as if this has come to pass.
     

    It seems that the first HIMARS system arrived in Ukraine shortly before Midsummer (June23-24). The feedback from Ukrainians is that it is very accurate (only a small number is provided). As a result of those hits, the supplies were cut on the island and those Russian guys would've died (there's no water or any other resources there).

    The Greeks used to call this island the Achilles Island. And there was apparently even an Achilles temple there.

    The only way for Ukraine to succeed in this war is with what I'd call the Simo Häyhä method. With higher accuracy and efficiency (the only way to reach anything resembling parity).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4

    Replies: @LondonBob

    There is no way for the Ukraine to win, NATO has been successfully sucked in to a quagmire.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @LondonBob

    You are far too pessimistic. It looks like NATO is Wiley Coyote and Russia is the Road Runner and they bought Ukraine at the Acme gizmo company but you might have noticed that the Yellow Jackets in France and their fellow travelers elsewhere have been pissed off for five years and so far have not figured out a cause.

    2+2=4 and they just might be clever enough to become peaceniks.

    Stranger things have happened you know. In 1968 they chased Charles De Gaulle to Belgium.

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/05/06/world/europe/06Paris68May1-PROMO/xxParis68May-slide-G91R-videoSixteenByNineJumbo1600.jpg

  1009. @AP
    @Sean

    During the Cold War, NK did fight America. An armistice was signed but not an official peace treaty, its essentially just a cease-fire. There have been a couple hundred violations over the years.

    Yet despite this uncertainty, South Korea prospered. It has had to spend a lot on its military (prior to its economy taking off, about 7% of SK’s GDP went to the military) as will Ukraine.

    Do you think that if SK didn’t host US troops but merely had US weapons and access to US intelligence and training for its large well-trained forces, NK and its Chinese sponsor would have initiated another invasion?

    After this war, Ukraine will be left with a large well-experienced and equipped military. It has shown that it is capable and willing to defend itself. Russia invaded because its leaders stupidly assumed that Ukraine would lose quickly and easily. Given that this is no longer the case, no reason to assume that Russia would be eager to try again, particularly if the eventual outcome will be an actual recognition of whatever boundary and not merely a cease-fire as in the case of the Koreas.

    Replies: @LondonBob

    The Ukrainian military is well on its way to destruction, there will be no way to re-equip it.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    It will be enough for closing the main gaps at least, even if there seems to be a typo with one additional zero in anti-tank systems ;)


    Secretary Austin just brought together more than 50 countries — more than 50 countries — pledging new commitments, and this is a global effort to support Ukraine: nearly 140,000 anti-tank systems, more than 600 tanks, nearly 500 artillery systems, more than 600,000 rounds of artillery ammunition, as well as advanced multiple launch rocket systems, anti-ship systems, and air defense systems.
     
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/06/30/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-madrid-spain/#:~:text=Secretary%20Austin%20just%20brought%20together,ammunition%2C%20as%20well%20as%20advanced

    Replies: @LondonBob

  1010. @songbird
    Anyone watched the new Indian movie RRR?

    They say it is the most expensive Indian movie ever made. (and it deals with antagonisms with British rule, though fantastical) And that it was filmed partly in Ukraine.

    Most expensive Indian movie ever made deals with British antagonisms.

    Most expensive Chinese movie ever made deals with American antagonisms.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    It’s notable for two things. First, it’s not a Bollywood film. For years, Indian film industry has slowly been moving away from Bollywood with Telegu and Tamil films getting more and more popular.

    Second, it still reflects a lingering inferiority complex, as you alluded to, as the Indian protagonist has to prove himself against an aristocratic Anglo.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Thulean Friend

    Them's the most bourgeois Indians I have ever seen. I bet they never toured in one of those temples filled with skulls.

  1011. @LatW
    @216


    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you’d be risking jail.
     
    I highly doubt it. Don't think you understood what I meant. I meant that only the state can protect its citizens. It has nothing to do with race (at least not directly). If something happens to you overseas or even in your home country, it's not going to be Russian or any other state to come to your assistance, but only yours.


    I for one don’t see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive.
     
    It would be extremely oppressive, because Ukrainians don't want it, and it would be unnatural because because we all told Russia in 1991 that we want to live separate from them. It's been 30 years and a whole new generation has grown up. The Ukrainian nation is also very large. Even if it was part of some larger state, it would still carve out its own space.

    Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state
     
    Yea, but the Israelis protect their state, tooth and nail. I have actually been inside an Israeli embassy, they have some very thorough security procedures. More so than others. It's almost kind of admirable.

    Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.
     
    First of all, that's not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don't owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests. Leave Ukraine alone and deal with the Gay Disco on your own turf. Ah, but that's too tough, because that requires REAL action. That's much harder than yapping on some obscure website and being verbally abusive to a foreign people that's being battered. Do you welcome the destruction of every single state that supports the Gay Disco? Why don't you start with the ones that are closer to home.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke

    First of all, that’s not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don’t owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests.

    Imo, some of this is the result of the weird juxtaposition of positions governments like the UK have adopted, where there is strong official support for Ukraine, at the same time as strong official support for very significant levels of continuous immigration and resulting demographic change within its own borders.

    As a result of the establishment position the two things can end up getting intermingled, where pro-Ukraine also looks like a branch of support for mass immigration and CRT/decolonisation type stuff (sometimes Putin is bizarrely portrayed as a WN), though none of this actually has anything to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and what is going in EE generally.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts


    Imo, some of this is the result of the weird juxtaposition of positions governments like the UK have adopted, where there is strong official support for Ukraine, at the same time as strong official support for very significant levels of continuous immigration and resulting demographic change within its own borders.
     
    Yes, that's how it has turned out, but the support for immigration was there all along. That can't be solved by attacking Ukraine just because they need to channel their anger at the government. It just doesn't create any positive results.

    As a result of the establishment position the two things can end up getting intermingled, where pro-Ukraine also looks like a branch of support for mass immigration and CRT/decolonisation type stuff (sometimes Putin is bizarrely portrayed as a WN), though none of this actually has anything to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and what is going in EE generally.
     
    Of course, you are right. But I don't believe the Western right wingers are so dumb as to not see the difference. They're trashing Ukraine deliberately because it's convenient and a quick gratification of their immediate emotional whims.
  1012. @A123
    @Jazman

    What we need most are alternate topics.

    It is self evident that Ukrainian discrimination and violence targeting Russian Orthodox Christians is the core problem. And, that Zelensky is taking millions of WEF €uros to prolong Ukraine's grinding defeat. Alas, the Ukie Maximalists cannot cope with this reality and have become near 100% Trolls.

    If we could stop talking about Ukraine's inevitable loss, we could move on to more interesting subjects.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sudden death

    These days even Orban is clearly getting what the core problem of RF aggression is all about:

    In his remarks, Orban struck a softer tone on Ukraine, saying that Hungary and its allies were backing the government in Kyiv because Russia had been unjustified in attacking.

    “Everyone is on the side of the Ukrainians as one should be on the side of the defender,” he said. Russia had “no reason to attack another country and start an open war, even if the Russians don’t call it a war.”

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-01/hungary-s-orban-strikes-softer-tone-on-sanctions-ukraine-war

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death

    Unlike many Fake Stream Media sources, Bloomberg rarely relies on intentional mistranslation. However, they have a track record mistaking dry humor for seriousness.

    Let us look at parts of the story that you disingenuously excluded:


    Hungary won’t keep standing in the way of European Union sanctions except on vital matters of energy policy, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said, offering a softer tone on Ukraine without making concrete concessions.

    Budapest will still oppose any sanctions on natural gas imports, Orban told public radio in his weekly interview on Friday.
     
    No concessions. Orban will continue he buying gas (and presumably oil) from Russia using the GazpromBank intermediary to pay in €uros.

    However, it can’t constantly “go against the flow of traffic” in the bloc on non-energy issues, as that would be inappropriate in a union built on “cooperation, loyalty and mutual trust,” he said
     
    Does anyone believe that the EU has anything to do with cooperation, loyalty, or mutual trust? That has to be coldly delivered sarcasm on Orban's part.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden's administration is laying out numbers for American military expansion in Eastern Europe, which includes U.S. funding for facilities. The initial proposal shorts Hungary quite dramatically.

     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWamavxWQAErKrg.jpg
     

    Speaking softly while conceding nothing is most likely an attempt to increase Hungary's share of U.S. largess. Not an embrace of Zelensky's inevitable loss.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

  1013. @LondonBob
    @AP

    The Ukrainian military is well on its way to destruction, there will be no way to re-equip it.

    Replies: @sudden death

    It will be enough for closing the main gaps at least, even if there seems to be a typo with one additional zero in anti-tank systems 😉

    Secretary Austin just brought together more than 50 countries — more than 50 countries — pledging new commitments, and this is a global effort to support Ukraine: nearly 140,000 anti-tank systems, more than 600 tanks, nearly 500 artillery systems, more than 600,000 rounds of artillery ammunition, as well as advanced multiple launch rocket systems, anti-ship systems, and air defense systems.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/06/30/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-madrid-spain/#:~:text=Secretary%20Austin%20just%20brought%20together,ammunition%2C%20as%20well%20as%20advanced

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    A summary of equipment given so far, if that were new it would deplete the standing armies of NATO.

    In the real world the Allies are moving on Siversk and the Eurozone looks in a worse economic shape than 2008.

    https://moneymovesmarkets.com/journal/2022/6/30/eurozone-money-update-from-bad-to-worse.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

  1014. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    It will be enough for closing the main gaps at least, even if there seems to be a typo with one additional zero in anti-tank systems ;)


    Secretary Austin just brought together more than 50 countries — more than 50 countries — pledging new commitments, and this is a global effort to support Ukraine: nearly 140,000 anti-tank systems, more than 600 tanks, nearly 500 artillery systems, more than 600,000 rounds of artillery ammunition, as well as advanced multiple launch rocket systems, anti-ship systems, and air defense systems.
     
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/06/30/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-madrid-spain/#:~:text=Secretary%20Austin%20just%20brought%20together,ammunition%2C%20as%20well%20as%20advanced

    Replies: @LondonBob

    A summary of equipment given so far, if that were new it would deplete the standing armies of NATO.

    In the real world the Allies are moving on Siversk and the Eurozone looks in a worse economic shape than 2008.

    https://moneymovesmarkets.com/journal/2022/6/30/eurozone-money-update-from-bad-to-worse.html

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @LondonBob

    I don't think the West can crank out enough gear to defend Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @sudden death
    @LondonBob


    A summary of equipment given so far
     
    ...2022-06-30...pledging NEW commitments...

    Is reading comprehension grasping really so hard to do for some people these days?


    In the real world the Allies are moving on Siversk
     
    Truly impressive...
  1015. @LatW
    @216


    Almost every Western state would call you a racist for saying this, and in many of them you’d be risking jail.
     
    I highly doubt it. Don't think you understood what I meant. I meant that only the state can protect its citizens. It has nothing to do with race (at least not directly). If something happens to you overseas or even in your home country, it's not going to be Russian or any other state to come to your assistance, but only yours.


    I for one don’t see how making Ukraine like Tatarstan is somehow going to be oppressive.
     
    It would be extremely oppressive, because Ukrainians don't want it, and it would be unnatural because because we all told Russia in 1991 that we want to live separate from them. It's been 30 years and a whole new generation has grown up. The Ukrainian nation is also very large. Even if it was part of some larger state, it would still carve out its own space.

    Muslims routinely demand the destruction of the Israeli state
     
    Yea, but the Israelis protect their state, tooth and nail. I have actually been inside an Israeli embassy, they have some very thorough security procedures. More so than others. It's almost kind of admirable.

    Rather, it exalts in saying that Ukraine is super-tolerant of GayPride, Islam, Judaism and Femen. Those people are my enemies, and if the Ukrainian state is supporting them, then I welcome its destruction.
     
    First of all, that's not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don't owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests. Leave Ukraine alone and deal with the Gay Disco on your own turf. Ah, but that's too tough, because that requires REAL action. That's much harder than yapping on some obscure website and being verbally abusive to a foreign people that's being battered. Do you welcome the destruction of every single state that supports the Gay Disco? Why don't you start with the ones that are closer to home.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Wokechoke

    The Gay Disco is moving in to Poland. It’s called the 5th. A guy called General Cavoli is taking the Disco and ramming it up your fundament.

  1016. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    A summary of equipment given so far, if that were new it would deplete the standing armies of NATO.

    In the real world the Allies are moving on Siversk and the Eurozone looks in a worse economic shape than 2008.

    https://moneymovesmarkets.com/journal/2022/6/30/eurozone-money-update-from-bad-to-worse.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

    I don’t think the West can crank out enough gear to defend Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Wokechoke

    https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare

  1017. @LondonBob
    @sudden death

    A summary of equipment given so far, if that were new it would deplete the standing armies of NATO.

    In the real world the Allies are moving on Siversk and the Eurozone looks in a worse economic shape than 2008.

    https://moneymovesmarkets.com/journal/2022/6/30/eurozone-money-update-from-bad-to-worse.html

    Replies: @Wokechoke, @sudden death

    A summary of equipment given so far

    …2022-06-30…pledging NEW commitments…

    Is reading comprehension grasping really so hard to do for some people these days?

    In the real world the Allies are moving on Siversk

    Truly impressive…

  1018. I want to tell Chinese emigrants they are making the worst decisions of their lives – they are depopulating their own civilization-state. They are about strengthening the West economically but weakening it demographically. China will be worse off, and while the West will be “helped” and “grow”, it is at the expense of Europeans. Would prefer the Chinese Exclusion Act to be revived so that the Chinese stays in China or East + SE Asia, and be able to contribute to civilizational well-being.

    • Agree: S
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    China should consider bringing back some form of national haircut.

    Imagine if they had something like the queue which Africans, with their frizzy hair, could not duplicate. The shaved pate would mean that it is impossible for them to wear a wig.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Chinese_Meal_by_Lai_Afong%2C_c1880.JPG

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  1019. @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    I saw the "Falling Down" movie recently by accident: LA as it really is. It was allowed to be made in the boisterous 90's because they felt very confident, another good one is "Office Space".

    Hollywood is let off the leash occasionally. But no more, uncertain times, so they are back to 'beach and boobs" flicks - today for a change in all human hues and colors. Or a hero again defeats the 'evil empire' all bye himself. Tom Cruise just did it, didn't even break a sweat.

    Don't they get bored with their own propaganda?

    Replies: @Wielgus

    The 1990s was my prime decade for watching movies. Nothing I have seen in this century or millennium has been as good.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    Just saw "Baby Driver" (2017), not bad...the black guy and the mestiza actually get shot before the white guy and heroes are two white teenagers. It worked. There is In Bruges and a few other mostly non-Hollywood movies. Very spotty.

    The culture is disintegrating and simplifying. It is not only the insane wokeness, there is also the verbal impoverishment caused by too many stupid people who are now bi-lingual - it is the everybody speaks 500-word English society. It promotes simplicity and over time destroys a civilization. Therefore no good movies, or music. There is also fear, so the boundaries have been pulled in.

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Wielgus

    The two best sitcoms America has ever produced, Seinfeld and Friends, reached their zenith in the 1990s. I would also say Simpsons was best during the 1990s. In many ways, that decade was Peak Americana. Culturally, economically, geopolitically.

    It's quite telling that middle-class Indian teenagers are preferring Friends rather than any new US shows even to this day. American pop culture ain't what it used to be.

  1020. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @A123

    These days even Orban is clearly getting what the core problem of RF aggression is all about:


    In his remarks, Orban struck a softer tone on Ukraine, saying that Hungary and its allies were backing the government in Kyiv because Russia had been unjustified in attacking.

    “Everyone is on the side of the Ukrainians as one should be on the side of the defender,” he said. Russia had “no reason to attack another country and start an open war, even if the Russians don’t call it a war.”
     
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-01/hungary-s-orban-strikes-softer-tone-on-sanctions-ukraine-war

    Replies: @A123

    Unlike many Fake Stream Media sources, Bloomberg rarely relies on intentional mistranslation. However, they have a track record mistaking dry humor for seriousness.

    Let us look at parts of the story that you disingenuously excluded:

    Hungary won’t keep standing in the way of European Union sanctions except on vital matters of energy policy, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said, offering a softer tone on Ukraine without making concrete concessions.

    Budapest will still oppose any sanctions on natural gas imports, Orban told public radio in his weekly interview on Friday.

    No concessions. Orban will continue he buying gas (and presumably oil) from Russia using the GazpromBank intermediary to pay in €uros.

    However, it can’t constantly “go against the flow of traffic” in the bloc on non-energy issues, as that would be inappropriate in a union built on “cooperation, loyalty and mutual trust,” he said

    Does anyone believe that the EU has anything to do with cooperation, loyalty, or mutual trust? That has to be coldly delivered sarcasm on Orban’s part.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden’s administration is laying out numbers for American military expansion in Eastern Europe, which includes U.S. funding for facilities. The initial proposal shorts Hungary quite dramatically.

     

     

    Speaking softly while conceding nothing is most likely an attempt to increase Hungary’s share of U.S. largess. Not an embrace of Zelensky’s inevitable loss.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @A123
    @A123


    using the GazpromBank intermediary to pay in €uros.
     
    That should of course say pay in Rubles.

    (sigh) My bad...

    PEACE 😇
  1021. @Mr. Hack
    @RadicalCenter

    You know, those mixed marriage, mail order Ukrainian bride situations don't usually last very long?...

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/32/7c/62327c92cf6488274cc8c05dd49a3526.jpg

    Don't believe anything that they tell you. :-)

    (I think that Beckow has had a couple of failed marriages because of these sorts of scams).

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    Joking aside, she met her husband in a way that Your Highness might approve of, meeting while on vacation and then dating, falling in love, etc. So let’s try again. Is she a Russian stooge because she has an opinion you don’t share?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @RadicalCenter

    Maybe, maybe not. Who knows, it's possible?...

    You seem very concerned? Sounds like you're planning to bring your own wife on line and get her to do her part? Don't worry, I'll try and be real nice to her. :-)

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  1022. A123 says: • Website
    @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPEQ0islVZU

    Lol they censored every part fo the song except where he says Nigger.

    A123 is a zogbot shill I only respond to tell him to stfu.

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    Cuck Singh,

    We understand why you are upset:

    — You will never know your Paki father.
    — Your “children” carry none of your DNA.

    I had nothing to do with the Sikh traditions that created these truths. So, why lash out at me for being a Christian? If you have trouble dealing with the reality of Sikh submissiveness, you should find a better religion.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @A123

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991565012877443122/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991564929620525076/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/863941167238348850/Screenshot_20210626-1727222.png

    Lit a circumcised glasses kid talking shit.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

  1023. @A123
    @sudden death

    Unlike many Fake Stream Media sources, Bloomberg rarely relies on intentional mistranslation. However, they have a track record mistaking dry humor for seriousness.

    Let us look at parts of the story that you disingenuously excluded:


    Hungary won’t keep standing in the way of European Union sanctions except on vital matters of energy policy, Prime Minister Viktor Orban said, offering a softer tone on Ukraine without making concrete concessions.

    Budapest will still oppose any sanctions on natural gas imports, Orban told public radio in his weekly interview on Friday.
     
    No concessions. Orban will continue he buying gas (and presumably oil) from Russia using the GazpromBank intermediary to pay in €uros.

    However, it can’t constantly “go against the flow of traffic” in the bloc on non-energy issues, as that would be inappropriate in a union built on “cooperation, loyalty and mutual trust,” he said
     
    Does anyone believe that the EU has anything to do with cooperation, loyalty, or mutual trust? That has to be coldly delivered sarcasm on Orban's part.
    ____

    Not-The-President Biden's administration is laying out numbers for American military expansion in Eastern Europe, which includes U.S. funding for facilities. The initial proposal shorts Hungary quite dramatically.

     
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWamavxWQAErKrg.jpg
     

    Speaking softly while conceding nothing is most likely an attempt to increase Hungary's share of U.S. largess. Not an embrace of Zelensky's inevitable loss.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @A123

    using the GazpromBank intermediary to pay in €uros.

    That should of course say pay in Rubles.

    (sigh) My bad…

    PEACE 😇

  1024. @Yellowface Anon
    I want to tell Chinese emigrants they are making the worst decisions of their lives - they are depopulating their own civilization-state. They are about strengthening the West economically but weakening it demographically. China will be worse off, and while the West will be "helped" and "grow", it is at the expense of Europeans. Would prefer the Chinese Exclusion Act to be revived so that the Chinese stays in China or East + SE Asia, and be able to contribute to civilizational well-being.

    Replies: @songbird

    China should consider bringing back some form of national haircut.

    Imagine if they had something like the queue which Africans, with their frizzy hair, could not duplicate. The shaved pate would mean that it is impossible for them to wear a wig.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    I'm specifically against Chinese emigrants totally bleaching their brains with the kind of "liberalism" that has come to a dead end or toxic Falun Gong thinking, rather than merely moving themselves or their money offshore (which is less dangerous but not harmless). 90%+ of Chinese emigrants prefer this kind of deracination over whatever the CCP/state does, rather than to preserve their cultural heritage elsewhere. Cultural death is far worse than physical extermination or extinction of genetic lineage.

  1025. @LondonBob
    @LatW

    There is no way for the Ukraine to win, NATO has been successfully sucked in to a quagmire.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You are far too pessimistic. It looks like NATO is Wiley Coyote and Russia is the Road Runner and they bought Ukraine at the Acme gizmo company but you might have noticed that the Yellow Jackets in France and their fellow travelers elsewhere have been pissed off for five years and so far have not figured out a cause.

    2+2=4 and they just might be clever enough to become peaceniks.

    Stranger things have happened you know. In 1968 they chased Charles De Gaulle to Belgium.

  1026. @A123
    @sher singh

    Cuck Singh,

    We understand why you are upset:

    -- You will never know your Paki father.
    -- Your "children" carry none of your DNA.

    I had nothing to do with the Sikh traditions that created these truths. So, why lash out at me for being a Christian? If you have trouble dealing with the reality of Sikh submissiveness, you should find a better religion.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sher singh

    Lit a circumcised glasses kid talking shit.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @sher singh

    I take back the anti Christian stuff (someone sent me it last week - not the Sikh photo)
    A123 is confirmed Jewish.

    Jews when flustered will start flinging random insults - no one was talking about Pakistan, Muslims or Sikhs.
    This only occurred after we (Me & Beckow) insulted Sara and circumcision. Laxa a Tranny, A123 Hasbara (CONFIRMED). The Indo-Slavic sleuthing service continues.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/912980031049986068/IMG_3838.png

    , @A123
    @sher singh

    Cuck Singh,

    I am 100% Christian (CONFIRMED).

    You are:
        -- 100% Cuck Sikh (Confirmed)
        -- Serial liar (Confirmed)

    You really need to stop lying about:
        • Your total submission to Islam.
        • God and Jesus.
    ___

    Your desperate inchoate flailing is an open admission of your personal insecurity. Remember,

           None of us are laughing with you.
                Everyone is laughing at you

    Feel free to continue humiliating yourself for our amusement.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sher singh

  1027. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    China should consider bringing back some form of national haircut.

    Imagine if they had something like the queue which Africans, with their frizzy hair, could not duplicate. The shaved pate would mean that it is impossible for them to wear a wig.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Chinese_Meal_by_Lai_Afong%2C_c1880.JPG

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    I’m specifically against Chinese emigrants totally bleaching their brains with the kind of “liberalism” that has come to a dead end or toxic Falun Gong thinking, rather than merely moving themselves or their money offshore (which is less dangerous but not harmless). 90%+ of Chinese emigrants prefer this kind of deracination over whatever the CCP/state does, rather than to preserve their cultural heritage elsewhere. Cultural death is far worse than physical extermination or extinction of genetic lineage.

    • Agree: Sher Singh
    • Thanks: songbird, S
  1028. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    It's notable for two things. First, it's not a Bollywood film. For years, Indian film industry has slowly been moving away from Bollywood with Telegu and Tamil films getting more and more popular.

    Second, it still reflects a lingering inferiority complex, as you alluded to, as the Indian protagonist has to prove himself against an aristocratic Anglo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvZMKC96Utk

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Them’s the most bourgeois Indians I have ever seen. I bet they never toured in one of those temples filled with skulls.

  1029. @Wokechoke
    @LondonBob

    I don't think the West can crank out enough gear to defend Ukraine.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  1030. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "Not big [the difference is], but not imperceptible."

    The ethnic Russians happen to be on the OECD mean, on average, i.e. 50 percent of the ethnic Russians have an IQ between of 100. The white Americans are two points above the mean, i.e. 50 percent have an IQ of 102.

    This means that 5 percent of the white Americans are 2 points better than ethnic Russians, i.e. one of 20 is 2 points better and that’s rather imperceptible. The intelligence classification is in 10 point steps.
     
    So, if the scores of both the white Americans and the Russians are normally distributed, the average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian, the slightly above average white American also has an IQ 2 points higher than the slightly above average Russian, and so on. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.

    In an individual, a 2 point difference is nearly imperceptible. But across a society, it means there are more smart white American than there are Russians. For example, if it takes a PISA-derived IQ of about 141 to have a Ph.D. in physics, .3% of ethnic Russians are capable of it but .5% of white Americans are. Across the entire populations of 140 million people, this means about ~280,000 more of such people among white Americans than among Russians (or course, most will not become physicists, in America a lot of such people will just go into stuff like medicine, or especially finance - but there is a much larger pool of such people available to the society).

    "Serfdom ended in the 1860s, in Ukraine reforms took root and most peasants owned their own land. The land was rich, those who wanted to work hard were able to prosper."

    Sounds good, like a song, but in truth not more than 30 percent of peasants owned their own land before the revolution.
     
    Land ownership in Ukraine was much higher than in Russia (IIRC it was about as high in the Russian Cossack lands of Russia such as along the Don as in Ukraine, but much lower in the rest of Russia). There has been basically no tradition of obshchina in the parts of Ukraine such as the Right Bank (where one of my grandparents was from) and Poltava. It existed in southern Ukraine, but about half the peasants left with their own lands as a result of Stolypin's reforms.

    Peasant holdings were often small (which is why many Ukrainian peasants moved to the Far East where land was cheap - as natural homesteaders they would rather build a new farm than work in some factory nearby), but it was still the peasants' own land. This is why forced collectivization was much less popular, and its implementation more brutal, in Ukraine than in Russia.

    Farmers didn’t work hard, it ain’t hard running a farm.
     
    This sounds like Bolshevik propaganda. The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields. They could also generate some passive revenue, by for example investing in a windmill that their neighbors can use for a fee. This benefits everyone - the owner of the windmill, and the neighbors who no longer have to spend two hours going to another village to get their grain milled.

    Generally, a farmer who worked hard and didn't spend his windfalls in the tavern but saved it and reinvested in his farm could become richer than one who didn't work quite as hard, who partied when he had a good harvest some year, etc.

    Farmers had to pay so called prodnalog during the NEP, it was a kind of progressive taxation, depending on conditions and of a given household. The period that followed wasn’t like the state confiscated everyone’s land.
     
    The way the Bolsheviks collectivized agriculture when they ended NEP was that they simply increased the tax rate to such an extent that no one could pay the tax and in compensation was forced to give up their lands to the state. So every peasant, rich or poor, had his farm taken from him. Perhaps in Russia itself where most peasants still lived on communes this wasn't a big deal, it was merely an administrative change, but in Ukraine where most farmers were landowners this amounted to forced theft of their lands and a return to the serfdom of their great-grandfathers, with the State being the new master, urban Russians and Jews its enforcers.


    "A monster could do such work, and something is deeply wrong with a victim who would fall in love with such a monster. Well, even serial killers have admirers."

    He was no more a monster than any cop, or an FBI agent, who comes to arrest a person for tax evasion
     
    Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.

    On the other hand, tell me more about that commie son of a bitch relative of yours, he was for sure a killer, probably a mass murderer. Tell me how many noble people he had to smoke to get that Stalin’s flat, where you had the best time of your life.
     
    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned when he was hired by the ЦК КПСС in the early 1980s, obtained the title to when the Soviet system ended, and rented out to the head of a major Western company's Russian operations (kids moved away or to the West, no need to live in such a big place anymore). It was supposed to buy a more modest place in order to move his elderly mother in from the provinces but right at the moment of buying, prices dropped due to the crash and a much better place materialized for that price. Previous owner had inherited it from his father, some general, he was moving abroad and just wanted to sell it quickly. So very good luck. The mother died a couple years later, I lived there afterwards. Extended family uses it as a place to relax or spend the night after going to the theater or when spending time downtown.

    My relatives engaged in no theft in the 90s, some of their colleagues with the same connections got really rich but they couldn't bring themselves to it, they just legally rented a place, used it to buy properties which they also rent. Even paid taxes in the 90s when no one else did, to the tax collector's shock. Idealists.

    Pretty much every rich person in Russia has been involved with mass theft and/or murder, but there exist people who live comfortable lives who were not such.

    The guy came from an Old Bolshevik family who were involved in academics at a high bureaucratic level in one of the provinces, they were not in the security organs and didn't kill anyone though. But they had been committed Bolsheviks, even knew Krupskaya, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system - an evil task, creating Sharikovs.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    The average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.

    No.

    After finishing the school 54 percent of the Russians will go on to study at the universities and will become smarter, whereas only 35 percent of the Americans will. The average IQ of the college students is 115.

    Most white Americans will degenerate, become fat and stupid, and most ethnic Russians will become a lot more intelligent.

    The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields.

    They would hire peasants to work in the fields, it’s impossible to run a farm and also work in the fields. Running a farm is not a hard work but it’s a full time occupation. A farm is not a small one house enterprise.

    Every peasant, rich or poor, had his farm taken from him. Perhaps in Russia itself where most peasants still lived on communes this wasn’t a big deal, but in Ukraine where most farmers were landowners this amounted to forced theft of their lands and a return to the serfdom.

    That was a stupid and wrong decision to take their land and not compensate it. That led to the loss of an entire class of people, who knew how to run a farm; it’s impossible to learn it except for on practice.

    A loss of competence in that field is being felt in Russia right now.

    A lot better solution would have been to give them larger pieces of land, in the Far East or in the South Ural, Eastern Siberia, etc. Let them move there, and build new farms. But at the time it must have looked like the old school agriculture was obsolete, with the new machines and technologies, fertilizers, etc.

    Farmers were seen as an obstacle to progress.

    Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.

    That was later. We are talking about 1922 here.

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned.

    That is, in other words, that person was given a million dollar in real estate, taken from the state budget – a corrupt son of a bitch, in other words. Plain and simple.

    Pretty much every rich person in Russia has been involved with mass theft and/or murder, but there exist people who live comfortable lives who were not such.

    Of course, those who were given didn’t steal. Excellent logic, professor.

    They had been committed Bolsheviks, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs.

    Yes sure. A very evil task, especially considering what these Sharikovs started doing – sending the first man into space, building the first supersonic airliner, reaching Mars, the first in the world, building the first unmanned space shuttle, etc.

    Your wonderful elites are only capable of sitting on their fat ass, on their Chesterfield sofas, sniffing their own farts, while these so called Sharikovs are building hypersonic missiles, pushing the boundaries, being the best – as in Russia, so in China.

    Socialism worked.

    And your country is in deep shit, living in debt, and your high salary is fake. You are not really making this money; if you were paid according to what you in reality produce you would be living in a two bedroom apartment in Brooklyn, and not in a big house. Your country is a bubble, that will soon blow up.

    Then you will see, who the real Sharikov is.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "The average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher."

    No.

    After finishing the school 54 percent of the Russians will go on to study at the universities and will become smarter, whereas only 35 percent of the Americans will.
     
    The higher the percentage of people in university, the lower the average IQ of university students. Having a large number of people in universities simply means that standards are lowered to allow more people in. Russia has an inflated number of people with tertiary education in part because this is a way of avoiding military service, right?

    A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.

    "The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields."

    They would hire peasants to work in the fields, it’s impossible to run a farm and also work in the fields. Running a farm is not a hard work but it’s a full time occupation. A farm is not a small one house enterprise.
     
    I heard differently, from the child of a wealthy farmer. The kids would still have to watch the livestock in the summer, the father would also engage in farmwork although he would hire helpers too.

    We have a farmer here, Barbarossa. Does he do no work himself?

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned.

    That is, in other words, that person was given a million dollar in real estate, taken from the state budget
     
    When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky - people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.

    "They had been committed Bolsheviks, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs."

    Yes sure. A very evil task, especially considering what these Sharikovs started doing – sending the first man into space, building the first supersonic airliner, reaching Mars, the first in the world, building the first unmanned space shuttle, etc.
     
    Russia was bound to be the world's first superpower, but had to settle for a shabby second place for a few decades before sinking even further.

    As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods. In addition to chasing away men such as Sikorsky (not compatible with a land of Sharikovs, he had to go), here is an example of the type of brutal waste that negatively affected Soviet technological progress:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev#Imprisonment



    Korolev was arrested by the NKVD on 27 June 1938 after being accused of deliberately slowing the work of the research institute by Ivan Kleymenov, Georgy Langemak, leaders of the institute who were executed in January,[19] and Valentin Glushko, who was arrested in March.[20] He was tortured in the Lubyanka prison to extract a confession during the Great Purge, and was tried and sentenced to death as the purge was waning;[21] Glushko and Korolev survived. Glushko and Korolev had reportedly been denounced by Andrei Kostikov, who became the head of RNII after its leadership was arrested. The rocket program fell far behind the rapid progress taking place in Nazi Germany. Kostikov was ousted a few years later over accusations of budget irregularities.[16]: 17  It should be mentioned that it was under the leadership of Kostikov that the Katyusha rocket launcher was adopted by the army and launched into a large series in 1941. According to another version, Kostikov was removed from office for failing to complete the task of designing a rocket-powered interceptor aircraft in 1944. Most likely, the reason for Korolev's arrest was technical disagreements between specialists of the rocket Institute. The management of the institute was headed by specialists who gave priority to work on the topic of multiple rocket launchers, not ballistic missiles. For the 1930s, their opinion was generally justified. But their assessments served as a reason for repression, which affected Korolev.

    Korolev was sent to prison, where he wrote many appeals to the authorities, including Stalin himself. Following the fall of NKVD head Nikolai Yezhov, the new chief Lavrenti Beria chose to retry Korolev on reduced charges in 1939; but by that time Korolev was on his way from prison to a Gulag camp in the far east of Siberia, where he spent several months in a gold mine in the Kolyma area before word reached him of his retrial. Work camp conditions of inadequate food, shelter, and clothing killed thousands of prisoners each month.[14] Korolev sustained injuries, including possibly a heart attack[22] and lost most of his teeth from scurvy before being returned to Moscow in late 1939.[21] When he reached Moscow, Korolev's sentence was reduced to eight years[23] to be served in a sharashka penitentiary for intellectuals and the educated.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  1031. @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPEQ0islVZU

    Lol they censored every part fo the song except where he says Nigger.

    A123 is a zogbot shill I only respond to tell him to stfu.

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    Would require too much heavy equipment. Think off all the engine-hours that would add, just for the overkill. Even if you are just using it as a standard unit of mass based on the average, with interchangeable materials.

    Unless, you are already dynamiting a cliff somewhere, or demolishing a skyscraper, and want to make another use of the process.

    • Replies: @Sher Singh
    @songbird

    Adds to GDP.
    Patriots TM support the GDP.

    https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/732/227/6c4.png

  1032. Sher Singh says:
    @sher singh
    @A123

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991565012877443122/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991564929620525076/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/863941167238348850/Screenshot_20210626-1727222.png

    Lit a circumcised glasses kid talking shit.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

    I take back the anti Christian stuff (someone sent me it last week – not the Sikh photo)
    A123 is confirmed Jewish.

    Jews when flustered will start flinging random insults – no one was talking about Pakistan, Muslims or Sikhs.
    This only occurred after we (Me & Beckow) insulted Sara and circumcision. Laxa a Tranny, A123 Hasbara (CONFIRMED). The Indo-Slavic sleuthing service continues.

  1033. @songbird
    @sher singh


    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    Would require too much heavy equipment. Think off all the engine-hours that would add, just for the overkill. Even if you are just using it as a standard unit of mass based on the average, with interchangeable materials.

    Unless, you are already dynamiting a cliff somewhere, or demolishing a skyscraper, and want to make another use of the process.

    Replies: @Sher Singh

    Adds to GDP.
    Patriots TM support the GDP.

    • LOL: songbird
  1034. Europe should revive its martial arts traditions.

    IMO, even if it may not be very useful in modern warfare, it still has its uses. Pride and cultural prestige. Greatly improves the choreography of action cinema.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I'd prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits, given that society is lurching towards idiocracy. The biggest defect of the 20th century has been the elevation of the jock over the nerd. Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence and being superreligious is a winning combination. Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers. My only wish would be greater artisanal diversity in clothing choices.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader, @songbird

  1035. A123 says: • Website
    @sher singh
    @A123

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991565012877443122/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/991564929620525076/unknown.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/863941167238348850/Screenshot_20210626-1727222.png

    Lit a circumcised glasses kid talking shit.

    Replies: @Sher Singh, @A123

    Cuck Singh,

    I am 100% Christian (CONFIRMED).

    You are:
        — 100% Cuck Sikh (Confirmed)
        — Serial liar (Confirmed)

    You really need to stop lying about:
        • Your total submission to Islam.
        • God and Jesus.
    ___

    Your desperate inchoate flailing is an open admission of your personal insecurity. Remember,

           None of us are laughing with you.
                Everyone is laughing at you

    Feel free to continue humiliating yourself for our amusement.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    You've already forgot, kremlinstoogeA123? You're the only at this blogsite that's set-up for continual humiliation for your unbridled support of Putler:

    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/buffalonews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/85/b8538ba2-1865-5959-b929-2eb3f46f9947/5ef14ab094022.image.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @sher singh
    @A123

    https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1542893329989394432

  1036. @RadicalCenter
    @Mr. Hack

    Joking aside, she met her husband in a way that Your Highness might approve of, meeting while on vacation and then dating, falling in love, etc. So let's try again. Is she a Russian stooge because she has an opinion you don't share?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Maybe, maybe not. Who knows, it’s possible?…

    You seem very concerned? Sounds like you’re planning to bring your own wife on line and get her to do her part? Don’t worry, I’ll try and be real nice to her. 🙂

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Mr. Hack

    More snarky evasive crap, and unfunny at that. Doesn't even make sense. Oh no, the "man" on the internet is making insinuations about my wife, I have to react and go off-topic. Nope.

    The point remains that our Russian acquaintances do not corroborate the propaganda about totalitarian Russia, poor backwards Russia, economically struggling Russia, etc. Thank you for showing that you didn't have a sensible response.

  1037. A greater reality is changing the blame gaming –

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail

    Mark Ames isn’t being very honest in his presentation of the poll results. On the poll there are two levels of responsibility - “a great deal” and “some.” 82% give Russia a great deal of responsibility for the war, 3% some responsibility; 47% give the Ukrainian government a great deal of responsibility, 24% some responsibility. Some of the Ukrainians blame the Ukrainian government for not having built up its army better.

    The same poll said over 60% of Ukrainians oppose peace until Ukraine takes back not only the February territory but the rest of Donbas and also Crimea.

  1038. Oops!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    The dude ha a weird understanding of "help from Russia"?

    https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/3287d20/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2000x1411+0+0/resize/770x543!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fd2%2Fe8%2Fbcda27f84b339181e92222488529%2Fmain.Miller.UkraineEscape.Secondary.building.jpg
    A Russian airstrike ripped apart an entire segment of an apartment building in Bakhmut, eastern Ukraine, May 20, 2022.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/03/eastern-ukraine-residents-russia-00036854

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Definitely Russian-speaking. Not Ukrainian.
    As to the weird understanding of "help from Russia" by Mr Hack, there is a scene in the Italian neo-realist film Rome Open City (1945) where someone asks Pina, one of the main characters, when the American liberators will arrive. She glances at a bomb-damaged building and says something like, "Oh, them."
    However, Pina is anti-fascist, hostile to the Germans in Rome and is eventually killed by them.
    In interviews with people from areas recently taken by Russia, resentment of the Ukrainians for making stands in their cities and towns that result in widespread destruction is palpable.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

  1039. @A123
    @sher singh

    Cuck Singh,

    I am 100% Christian (CONFIRMED).

    You are:
        -- 100% Cuck Sikh (Confirmed)
        -- Serial liar (Confirmed)

    You really need to stop lying about:
        • Your total submission to Islam.
        • God and Jesus.
    ___

    Your desperate inchoate flailing is an open admission of your personal insecurity. Remember,

           None of us are laughing with you.
                Everyone is laughing at you

    Feel free to continue humiliating yourself for our amusement.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sher singh

    You’ve already forgot, kremlinstoogeA123? You’re the only at this blogsite that’s set-up for continual humiliation for your unbridled support of Putler:

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    That cartoon doesn't even make sense, other that to possibly a very stupid person. In Syria, Russia came in on the invitation of the government - it was Nato attacking there 'illegally'. In Ukraine, Russia came in on the side of a rebellion - and Nato is supporting the government in Kiev. Exactly the opposite - is that too complex for people like you to understand?

    And "Nato"? There is no war with Nato. Not yet. Was this also done by that retarded cholo from Vegas? Oh, boy, the standards are completely gone...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1040. @Mikhail
    Oops!

    https://twitter.com/MsmUnmasked/status/1542837963373019136

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wielgus

    The dude ha a weird understanding of “help from Russia”?


    A Russian airstrike ripped apart an entire segment of an apartment building in Bakhmut, eastern Ukraine, May 20, 2022.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/03/eastern-ukraine-residents-russia-00036854

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Kiev regime has done likewise.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

  1041. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    The dude ha a weird understanding of "help from Russia"?

    https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/3287d20/2147483647/strip/true/crop/2000x1411+0+0/resize/770x543!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fd2%2Fe8%2Fbcda27f84b339181e92222488529%2Fmain.Miller.UkraineEscape.Secondary.building.jpg
    A Russian airstrike ripped apart an entire segment of an apartment building in Bakhmut, eastern Ukraine, May 20, 2022.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/03/eastern-ukraine-residents-russia-00036854

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Kiev regime has done likewise.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Mr. Hack's cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn't bother them - they don't want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.

    When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality - they have already lost. Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that's why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @A123

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Kyiv regime has not fired any missiles in the Odessa region (well, except some Russian ships - gld they did, if they didn't Russians would be bombing and attacking Odessa even more). Today, more Russian attempts at giving Ukraine a helping hand by totalling an apartment building, killing 24 and injuring 31, including a pregnant woman and four children. Why can't the Russian assh_les go back home and help themselves, instead of killing innocent Ukrainian civilians?

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/01/11/59749193-10971627-image-a-7_1656670321863.jpg

    More recent Russian "help" and liberation in Kremenchug:

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/07/01/08/59609441-10971627-Onlookers_gather_as_the_shopping_centre_is_engulfed_by_flames_sh-a-11_1656661489576.jpg
    Onlookers gather as the shopping centre is engulfed by flames shortly after it was struck by two Russian guided missiles on Monday, while an estimated 1,000 people were inside

  1042. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    The 1990s was my prime decade for watching movies. Nothing I have seen in this century or millennium has been as good.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

    Just saw “Baby Driver” (2017), not bad…the black guy and the mestiza actually get shot before the white guy and heroes are two white teenagers. It worked. There is In Bruges and a few other mostly non-Hollywood movies. Very spotty.

    The culture is disintegrating and simplifying. It is not only the insane wokeness, there is also the verbal impoverishment caused by too many stupid people who are now bi-lingual – it is the everybody speaks 500-word English society. It promotes simplicity and over time destroys a civilization. Therefore no good movies, or music. There is also fear, so the boundaries have been pulled in.

  1043. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Kiev regime has done likewise.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn’t bother them – they don’t want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.

    When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality – they have already lost. Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that’s why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @Beckow

    It is truly ironic that the US-inspired propaganda keeps using the word “separatists” and the phrase “internationally recognized borders”. They apparently expect everyone to have an attention span of a guppy with matching intelligence. Here is how the US came into being: North American separatists kicked the Brits out of 13 colonies, that were internationally recognized as parts of the British Empire.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders.
     
    You forgot to include at the end of your sentence "when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders." Makes a big difference wouldn't you say?

    Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn’t bother them – they don’t want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.
     

    I've never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe. Besides, you're creating a stupid whataboutism (you're free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), "the US got involved where it shouldn't, so why shouldn't Russia?"

    Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that’s why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.
     
    You bet. Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia. A great base to inflict harm on Odesa, and also a base to control who uses the Danube estuary. The Russians couldn't control it like they couldn't control other strategic areas within Ukraine: Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mykolayiv. It's only a matter of time before Kherson is liberated.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    , @A123
    @Beckow


    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. ... When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality – they have already lost.
     
    I largely concur.

    Almost every nation behaves "improperly" versus the highly theoretical international standard. "International Law" has always been a joke.

    Ukie Maximalists trying to define themselves as victims are laughably unbelievable. That that has been implausible since they built the Punishment Dam to inflict collective harm on defenseless Crimean farmers. They are war criminals & thieves, stealing essentials like fresh water.

    Ukies closely resemble the Palis. They threw away any potential sympathy with their with violence. Then, dug the hole deeper with Ukiewood/Paliwood propaganda, now disproven as fabrication. Now, they are losing and it is like The Boy Who Cried Wolf. No one with meaningful strength cares if there is a wolf (or a bear) because they have Burned Too Many Bridges.

    The only nation putting in significant resources is America, and that will be reduced (though not eliminated) after the mid terms. If Zelensky cared about his people, he would be negotiating right now. The longer this strings out, the worse it will be for the Ukrainian people.

    PEACE 😇
  1044. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    The 1990s was my prime decade for watching movies. Nothing I have seen in this century or millennium has been as good.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Thulean Friend

    The two best sitcoms America has ever produced, Seinfeld and Friends, reached their zenith in the 1990s. I would also say Simpsons was best during the 1990s. In many ways, that decade was Peak Americana. Culturally, economically, geopolitically.

    It’s quite telling that middle-class Indian teenagers are preferring Friends rather than any new US shows even to this day. American pop culture ain’t what it used to be.

    • Agree: Wielgus
  1045. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    You've already forgot, kremlinstoogeA123? You're the only at this blogsite that's set-up for continual humiliation for your unbridled support of Putler:

    https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/buffalonews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/85/b8538ba2-1865-5959-b929-2eb3f46f9947/5ef14ab094022.image.jpg

    Replies: @Beckow

    That cartoon doesn’t even make sense, other that to possibly a very stupid person. In Syria, Russia came in on the invitation of the government – it was Nato attacking there ‘illegally’. In Ukraine, Russia came in on the side of a rebellion – and Nato is supporting the government in Kiev. Exactly the opposite – is that too complex for people like you to understand?

    And “Nato”? There is no war with Nato. Not yet. Was this also done by that retarded cholo from Vegas? Oh, boy, the standards are completely gone…

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    is that too complex for people like you to understand?
     
    Don't worry about anything here that you present as being too "complex" for me to understand. I can see right through your Russian trolling activities at this website. What do you do for a living, anyway?
    You seem to have unlimited time to waste at this website, day or night, spreading your pro-kremlin and anti-Ukrainian propaganda?

    Replies: @Beckow

  1046. AP says:
    @Mikhail
    A greater reality is changing the blame gaming -

    https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1542588222538129408

    Replies: @AP

    Mark Ames isn’t being very honest in his presentation of the poll results. On the poll there are two levels of responsibility – “a great deal” and “some.” 82% give Russia a great deal of responsibility for the war, 3% some responsibility; 47% give the Ukrainian government a great deal of responsibility, 24% some responsibility. Some of the Ukrainians blame the Ukrainian government for not having built up its army better.

    The same poll said over 60% of Ukrainians oppose peace until Ukraine takes back not only the February territory but the rest of Donbas and also Crimea.

  1047. @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Mr. Hack's cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn't bother them - they don't want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.

    When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality - they have already lost. Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that's why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @A123

    It is truly ironic that the US-inspired propaganda keeps using the word “separatists” and the phrase “internationally recognized borders”. They apparently expect everyone to have an attention span of a guppy with matching intelligence. Here is how the US came into being: North American separatists kicked the Brits out of 13 colonies, that were internationally recognized as parts of the British Empire.

  1048. @songbird
    Europe should revive its martial arts traditions.

    IMO, even if it may not be very useful in modern warfare, it still has its uses. Pride and cultural prestige. Greatly improves the choreography of action cinema.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    I’d prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits, given that society is lurching towards idiocracy. The biggest defect of the 20th century has been the elevation of the jock over the nerd. Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence and being superreligious is a winning combination. Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers. My only wish would be greater artisanal diversity in clothing choices.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Thulean Friend


    Learn from Haredi Jews.
     
    Congratulations on originality. Quality is minus infinity however.
    , @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers.
     
    What's your own religious affiliation?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence
     
    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives, and some say that is the secret of their success.

    I’d prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits
     
    What are your ideas along this line?

    When I think "intellectual pursuits", I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend, @Wielgus

  1049. @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Mr. Hack's cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn't bother them - they don't want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.

    When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality - they have already lost. Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that's why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders.

    You forgot to include at the end of your sentence “when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders.” Makes a big difference wouldn’t you say?

    Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn’t bother them – they don’t want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.

    I’ve never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe. Besides, you’re creating a stupid whataboutism (you’re free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?”

    Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that’s why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.

    You bet. Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia. A great base to inflict harm on Odesa, and also a base to control who uses the Danube estuary. The Russians couldn’t control it like they couldn’t control other strategic areas within Ukraine: Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mykolayiv. It’s only a matter of time before Kherson is liberated.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't you think that the "when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders" can be equally applied to Syria? Or Serbia?

    And Kherson...always a matter of time, any day now? The Snake Island is a trap, indefensible, if Kiev puts soldiers there they can be blown up at will. It is like an aircraft carrier off the shore of Crimea - it would be a total sitting duck, that's why Nato has stayed away. Smart people don't die defending what cannot be defended - Ukies in Mariupol and Donbas didn't seem to understand that.


    I’ve never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe.
     
    Not blindly? What does that mean? Sometimes yes, sometimes no? Or just "don't mention it", you are blind to it: the children were not blown to smithereens by Nato in Serbia, nothing to see there. The "what-aboutism" nonsense is the last refuge of scoundrels when they have absolutely no arguments left.

    It is very simple: if Nato can, then Russia will - and Nato is in no position to critisize.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia.
     
    It's a symbolic success, but it doesn't change anything about the strategic reality of Russia's Black sea blockade.
    I think you're overly optimistic. I don't say this in the spirit of someone like Beckow who will feel Schadenfreude about a Ukrainian defeat, but it does seem like Ukraine's armed forces are suffering severe losses, and a strategic retreat from the Donbass front to more defensible lines might have been wiser. As for counter-offensives, recently I read that Ukraine would need to recruit and train 100 000 additional soldiers. And get massive arms shipments from the West, on a scale that seems very unlikely and might be problematic even for the US (not to mention what's going to happen in Western Europe in winter with the energy situation). But even in that case, an offensive might still fail catastrophically and lead to an even bigger Russian victory.
    At this point one probably has to be more modest and hope it will be possible at least to prevent Russia from making additional major gains line conquering Odessa or Kharkiv...and that eventually this sick adventure will become so painful for Russia too that there'll be some form of negotiated settlement.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1050. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    When you look at S-90, you know “wife/girlfriend acceptance for interior decoration” could have been a problem, especially with Soviet apartment sizes. I’m guessing even smaller S-30 was just on the border of what your father was allowed?
     
    Hahah, good one. Well, you have to allow at least some of your spouse's little pleasures. But, yea, S-90 are super clunky, I guess, you can use them as a coffee table. LOL


    Although to be honest my hi-fi interest is mainly relating to the newest technologies.
     
    Yea, me too, I like cute earbuds or nice, comfortable Bose headphones.

    We could build a good hi-fi for Mr Hack’s home cinema system for about $200, from such Soviet hi-fi sales
     
    I don't know, I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don't think Hack will ever appreciate "Sovok" stuff, lol.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better, or this is the traditional belief of the 20th century audio fans. Until the last couple decades, when it becomes confusing. In 1970s studio monitors like NS-1000, are weighing 60 kg for two.

    But nowadays there is Genelec from the minimalist Nordic culture, which makes professional studio monitors that are compact. There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    Although Genelec is professional monitors that will sound as good as any old system, I don’t think many traditionalist hi-fi communities want to pay $9500 for audio systems which look this “acceptable for girls”.

    I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

    Well Mr Hack said he is divorced. Now he is free to convert his living room to somewhere which looks like a Soviet space program with dozens of wires on the carpet.

    And then there is AP by comparison, who claims he is happy listening to audio in his car, as his wife probably doesn’t accept a single visible wire in their house.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry

    There is an entire subculture that needs large and powerful speakers to achieve *maximum* stupid. Apparently, there are prizes & awards ????

    PEACE 😇

    https://youtu.be/E6qPGuPDYoM

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Just because I live the life of a single bachelor, doesn't mean that I want to create a wire jungle in my listening room (actually it's called an "Arizona room" in Arizona, really). I currently own two old, large speakers, that work quite well. I got them along with the house that I live in, along with an amplifier, and they seem to work pretty good, at least for my purposes. As I told you once before (I don't think that you read my reply, it was quite lengthy, and you never acknowledged it), I am acquainted with audiophile systems, as a friend of mine owns two quite excellent systems including old, Bng and Olufson speakers. The speakers that I currently own are called 'Technics sb-2460", I think that they were originally made by Panasonic. Nothing to brag about, but they still work pretty good, and they provide decent separation,

    https://file.chodocu.com//2017/07/21/03e75c42-bbb6-4566-9-a63a.jpg

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry


    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better
     
    Of course, big speakers that you can place at both ends of the room are always better, the sound is great. And it's not advisable to use headphones a lot, it's not good for your ears if you use them for too long and too loud.


    There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.
     
    Yea, that looks amazing and really pretty. I love how it's shaped (the edges are not as hard).

    as his wife probably doesn’t accept a single visible wire in their house
     
    Haha, I must be the most patient person in the world -- I have never complained about the wires and have always cleaned around the wires very carefully even though I don't like that there's so many of them and how they look. But I have always appreciated why they're there (you get a lot out of it).
    , @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    Dmitry is posting unboxing videos again. The world is healing.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1051. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    That cartoon doesn't even make sense, other that to possibly a very stupid person. In Syria, Russia came in on the invitation of the government - it was Nato attacking there 'illegally'. In Ukraine, Russia came in on the side of a rebellion - and Nato is supporting the government in Kiev. Exactly the opposite - is that too complex for people like you to understand?

    And "Nato"? There is no war with Nato. Not yet. Was this also done by that retarded cholo from Vegas? Oh, boy, the standards are completely gone...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    is that too complex for people like you to understand?

    Don’t worry about anything here that you present as being too “complex” for me to understand. I can see right through your Russian trolling activities at this website. What do you do for a living, anyway?
    You seem to have unlimited time to waste at this website, day or night, spreading your pro-kremlin and anti-Ukrainian propaganda?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    What do you do? I repair run-down castles and do quite well...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1052. A123 says: • Website
    @Beckow
    @Mikhail

    Mr. Hack's cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn't bother them - they don't want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.

    When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality - they have already lost. Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that's why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders. … When Kiev and Co. desperately try to frame the discussion, ban other views, evade reality – they have already lost.

    I largely concur.

    Almost every nation behaves “improperly” versus the highly theoretical international standard. “International Law” has always been a joke.

    Ukie Maximalists trying to define themselves as victims are laughably unbelievable. That that has been implausible since they built the Punishment Dam to inflict collective harm on defenseless Crimean farmers. They are war criminals & thieves, stealing essentials like fresh water.

    Ukies closely resemble the Palis. They threw away any potential sympathy with their with violence. Then, dug the hole deeper with Ukiewood/Paliwood propaganda, now disproven as fabrication. Now, they are losing and it is like The Boy Who Cried Wolf. No one with meaningful strength cares if there is a wolf (or a bear) because they have Burned Too Many Bridges.

    The only nation putting in significant resources is America, and that will be reduced (though not eliminated) after the mid terms. If Zelensky cared about his people, he would be negotiating right now. The longer this strings out, the worse it will be for the Ukrainian people.

    PEACE 😇

  1053. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better, or this is the traditional belief of the 20th century audio fans. Until the last couple decades, when it becomes confusing. In 1970s studio monitors like NS-1000, are weighing 60 kg for two.

    But nowadays there is Genelec from the minimalist Nordic culture, which makes professional studio monitors that are compact. There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XgwajAz0dw

    Although Genelec is professional monitors that will sound as good as any old system, I don't think many traditionalist hi-fi communities want to pay $9500 for audio systems which look this "acceptable for girls".


    I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

     

    Well Mr Hack said he is divorced. Now he is free to convert his living room to somewhere which looks like a Soviet space program with dozens of wires on the carpet.

    And then there is AP by comparison, who claims he is happy listening to audio in his car, as his wife probably doesn't accept a single visible wire in their house.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    There is an entire subculture that needs large and powerful speakers to achieve *maximum* stupid. Apparently, there are prizes & awards ????

    PEACE 😇

  1054. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    is that too complex for people like you to understand?
     
    Don't worry about anything here that you present as being too "complex" for me to understand. I can see right through your Russian trolling activities at this website. What do you do for a living, anyway?
    You seem to have unlimited time to waste at this website, day or night, spreading your pro-kremlin and anti-Ukrainian propaganda?

    Replies: @Beckow

    What do you do? I repair run-down castles and do quite well…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow

    I help builders to invest their money...

  1055. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders.
     
    You forgot to include at the end of your sentence "when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders." Makes a big difference wouldn't you say?

    Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn’t bother them – they don’t want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.
     

    I've never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe. Besides, you're creating a stupid whataboutism (you're free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), "the US got involved where it shouldn't, so why shouldn't Russia?"

    Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that’s why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.
     
    You bet. Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia. A great base to inflict harm on Odesa, and also a base to control who uses the Danube estuary. The Russians couldn't control it like they couldn't control other strategic areas within Ukraine: Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mykolayiv. It's only a matter of time before Kherson is liberated.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    Don’t you think that the “when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders” can be equally applied to Syria? Or Serbia?

    And Kherson…always a matter of time, any day now? The Snake Island is a trap, indefensible, if Kiev puts soldiers there they can be blown up at will. It is like an aircraft carrier off the shore of Crimea – it would be a total sitting duck, that’s why Nato has stayed away. Smart people don’t die defending what cannot be defended – Ukies in Mariupol and Donbas didn’t seem to understand that.

    I’ve never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe.

    Not blindly? What does that mean? Sometimes yes, sometimes no? Or just “don’t mention it”, you are blind to it: the children were not blown to smithereens by Nato in Serbia, nothing to see there. The “what-aboutism” nonsense is the last refuge of scoundrels when they have absolutely no arguments left.

    It is very simple: if Nato can, then Russia will – and Nato is in no position to critisize.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Don’t you think that the “when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders” can be equally applied to Syria? Or Serbia?
     
    I've just informed you that "Besides, you’re creating a stupid whataboutism (you’re free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?” "Silly" was a nicety that I wrote to show you some respect, I should have been harsher and written "stupid". Well, you've just made my point.

    Not blindly? What does that mean? Sometimes yes, sometimes no?
     
    It means that I don't endorse all US and NATO positions in the world, do you have reading comprehension problems?

    Replies: @Beckow

  1056. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't you think that the "when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders" can be equally applied to Syria? Or Serbia?

    And Kherson...always a matter of time, any day now? The Snake Island is a trap, indefensible, if Kiev puts soldiers there they can be blown up at will. It is like an aircraft carrier off the shore of Crimea - it would be a total sitting duck, that's why Nato has stayed away. Smart people don't die defending what cannot be defended - Ukies in Mariupol and Donbas didn't seem to understand that.


    I’ve never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe.
     
    Not blindly? What does that mean? Sometimes yes, sometimes no? Or just "don't mention it", you are blind to it: the children were not blown to smithereens by Nato in Serbia, nothing to see there. The "what-aboutism" nonsense is the last refuge of scoundrels when they have absolutely no arguments left.

    It is very simple: if Nato can, then Russia will - and Nato is in no position to critisize.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Don’t you think that the “when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders” can be equally applied to Syria? Or Serbia?

    I’ve just informed you that “Besides, you’re creating a stupid whataboutism (you’re free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?” “Silly” was a nicety that I wrote to show you some respect, I should have been harsher and written “stupid”. Well, you’ve just made my point.

    Not blindly? What does that mean? Sometimes yes, sometimes no?

    It means that I don’t endorse all US and NATO positions in the world, do you have reading comprehension problems?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You elaboration - or a repeat - of your argument made it even less clear. First, you put a question mark after "so why shouldn’t Russia?". Should they or shouldn't they? Where do you stand? Or is it along the lines of "what the hell, sh..t happens, why not?"


    It means that I don’t endorse all US and NATO positions
     
    Ok, which ones did you oppose? To try to distance yourself by putting in a weasel qualifier not all can mean almost anything. Maybe you don't endorse the push by Nato for female officers, or having a sea-food buffet in Riga that includes whale meat. The soft distancing is meaningless.

    Let's be specific: you are upset that civilians are dying in the bombing in Ukraine (but by Russia only, whatever). There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc... Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.

    If you don't endorse it, then what happened to these war crimes? The reality is that nothing happened - the opposite: the West in general celebrated and rewarded them. With some exceptions, like being "cussed out" by a few people at airports as LatW helpfully told us.

    This is the 800-pound guerilla in the room and not your wished for guerilla fighters in Kherson. A position this inconsistent is not sustainable, it amounts to a lie. We can and they can't. Or - almost worse - we bomb, get "cussed out", but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..

    In no sane universe this is an acceptable intellectual argument - that's why, as I pointed out to you, in Pew global surveys majority of people say what I say: I am not isolated, you are. Phoenix is not the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

  1057. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I'd prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits, given that society is lurching towards idiocracy. The biggest defect of the 20th century has been the elevation of the jock over the nerd. Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence and being superreligious is a winning combination. Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers. My only wish would be greater artisanal diversity in clothing choices.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader, @songbird

    Learn from Haredi Jews.

    Congratulations on originality. Quality is minus infinity however.

  1058. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    What do you do? I repair run-down castles and do quite well...

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I help builders to invest their money…

  1059. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Mr. Hack’s cohort argues that is ok because Kiev does it at home, in their own recognized borders.
     
    You forgot to include at the end of your sentence "when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders." Makes a big difference wouldn't you say?

    Their sponsor NATO does it all over the world, but that doesn’t bother them – they don’t want to be reminded: close the discussion by any means.
     

    I've never blindly endorsed all US or NATO adventures around the globe. Besides, you're creating a stupid whataboutism (you're free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), "the US got involved where it shouldn't, so why shouldn't Russia?"

    Maybe Kiev can now move to the Snake Island and declare a Taiwan-like mini regime there. A bit small, totally un-defensible (that’s why Russians withdrew), but a hell of a symbolic victory.
     
    You bet. Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia. A great base to inflict harm on Odesa, and also a base to control who uses the Danube estuary. The Russians couldn't control it like they couldn't control other strategic areas within Ukraine: Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mykolayiv. It's only a matter of time before Kherson is liberated.

    Replies: @Beckow, @German_reader

    Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia.

    It’s a symbolic success, but it doesn’t change anything about the strategic reality of Russia’s Black sea blockade.
    I think you’re overly optimistic. I don’t say this in the spirit of someone like Beckow who will feel Schadenfreude about a Ukrainian defeat, but it does seem like Ukraine’s armed forces are suffering severe losses, and a strategic retreat from the Donbass front to more defensible lines might have been wiser. As for counter-offensives, recently I read that Ukraine would need to recruit and train 100 000 additional soldiers. And get massive arms shipments from the West, on a scale that seems very unlikely and might be problematic even for the US (not to mention what’s going to happen in Western Europe in winter with the energy situation). But even in that case, an offensive might still fail catastrophically and lead to an even bigger Russian victory.
    At this point one probably has to be more modest and hope it will be possible at least to prevent Russia from making additional major gains line conquering Odessa or Kharkiv…and that eventually this sick adventure will become so painful for Russia too that there’ll be some form of negotiated settlement.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @German_reader

    Ironically Ukrainian tactics seems to be more like WW2 Soviet ones than those used by the Russians. Blocking troops to prevent retreats and a considerable lack of regard for their own casualties. Tardiness in pulling out of potential cauldrons seems to be another one, and the number of Ukrainian POWs in Russian hands is far higher than that of Russians in Ukrainian hands, at least partly because the Ukrainians did not get out of encirclements until it was too late.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @AP

  1060. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I'd prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits, given that society is lurching towards idiocracy. The biggest defect of the 20th century has been the elevation of the jock over the nerd. Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence and being superreligious is a winning combination. Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers. My only wish would be greater artisanal diversity in clothing choices.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader, @songbird

    Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers.

    What’s your own religious affiliation?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    What’s your own religious affiliation?
     
    According to libtards, this question is not politically correct. As to atheism, a person who knows something about the world (which is much bigger than most ideologues think) inevitably comes to the conclusion that there are too many gods to take them seriously.
  1061. LatW says:
    @Coconuts
    @LatW


    First of all, that’s not entirely true (you sort of just made that up). Second, we don’t owe you jack shit and the Gay Disco will not be fought at the expense of our ethnic interests.
     
    Imo, some of this is the result of the weird juxtaposition of positions governments like the UK have adopted, where there is strong official support for Ukraine, at the same time as strong official support for very significant levels of continuous immigration and resulting demographic change within its own borders.

    As a result of the establishment position the two things can end up getting intermingled, where pro-Ukraine also looks like a branch of support for mass immigration and CRT/decolonisation type stuff (sometimes Putin is bizarrely portrayed as a WN), though none of this actually has anything to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and what is going in EE generally.

    Replies: @LatW

    Imo, some of this is the result of the weird juxtaposition of positions governments like the UK have adopted, where there is strong official support for Ukraine, at the same time as strong official support for very significant levels of continuous immigration and resulting demographic change within its own borders.

    Yes, that’s how it has turned out, but the support for immigration was there all along. That can’t be solved by attacking Ukraine just because they need to channel their anger at the government. It just doesn’t create any positive results.

    As a result of the establishment position the two things can end up getting intermingled, where pro-Ukraine also looks like a branch of support for mass immigration and CRT/decolonisation type stuff (sometimes Putin is bizarrely portrayed as a WN), though none of this actually has anything to do with the Russia/Ukraine conflict and what is going in EE generally.

    Of course, you are right. But I don’t believe the Western right wingers are so dumb as to not see the difference. They’re trashing Ukraine deliberately because it’s convenient and a quick gratification of their immediate emotional whims.

  1062. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better, or this is the traditional belief of the 20th century audio fans. Until the last couple decades, when it becomes confusing. In 1970s studio monitors like NS-1000, are weighing 60 kg for two.

    But nowadays there is Genelec from the minimalist Nordic culture, which makes professional studio monitors that are compact. There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XgwajAz0dw

    Although Genelec is professional monitors that will sound as good as any old system, I don't think many traditionalist hi-fi communities want to pay $9500 for audio systems which look this "acceptable for girls".


    I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

     

    Well Mr Hack said he is divorced. Now he is free to convert his living room to somewhere which looks like a Soviet space program with dozens of wires on the carpet.

    And then there is AP by comparison, who claims he is happy listening to audio in his car, as his wife probably doesn't accept a single visible wire in their house.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    Just because I live the life of a single bachelor, doesn’t mean that I want to create a wire jungle in my listening room (actually it’s called an “Arizona room” in Arizona, really). I currently own two old, large speakers, that work quite well. I got them along with the house that I live in, along with an amplifier, and they seem to work pretty good, at least for my purposes. As I told you once before (I don’t think that you read my reply, it was quite lengthy, and you never acknowledged it), I am acquainted with audiophile systems, as a friend of mine owns two quite excellent systems including old, Bng and Olufson speakers. The speakers that I currently own are called ‘Technics sb-2460″, I think that they were originally made by Panasonic. Nothing to brag about, but they still work pretty good, and they provide decent separation,

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    They look kind of cool. And at least they were made in Japan. . What is the amplifier? Maybe you can create a home cinema system.

    If your CD player died, I would connect the amplifier to computer with something https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UMC22--behringer-u-phoria-umc22-usb-audio-interface

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1063. German_reader says:

    Germany and Netherlands will send another six Panzerhaubitzen 2000 to Ukraine (three from each country), so there’ll be 18 of them, enough for an artillery batallion:
    https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Ukraine-erhaelt-weitere-Panzerhaubitzen-2000-article23428993.html
    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces. But that’s probably the absolute limit of what’s possible in this regard from Western European NATO countries.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces.
     
    Psychiatrists say that doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sure sign of insanity. Very recently Uralvagonzavod sent its thanks to Macron for two Caesar pieces captured in pristine condition by the Russian army: Ukies ran away so fast that they did not have a chance even to damage them.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Jazman

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    NATO is looking cleaned out.

  1064. S says:
    @songbird
    @S

    I'd like to see one of the early movies with Ted Healy, before they refined their act, but I can only manage to find a clip or two. (Shemp originally walked away from the act because he did not want to be cheated by Healy, on his salary). Moe, it seems, adopted the role of Healy as brash leader of the stooges.

    IMO, despite his talents and dedication, Shemp's hairdo makes him a less memorable character. As the hairdos of the other three really played off of each other.

    Moe supposedly got the idea for throwing pies one day when he saw a slice of pie in someone's dressing room and asked if he could have it. He then proceeded to the top of the building and nailed his brother who happened to be walking towards the entrance. His brother looked up, and saw an open window, and proceeded to march up and become really angry at the people that Moe had borrowed the pie from, not realizing immediately that it was Moe who threw it from above.

    According to Moe, they used cardboard backing when they threw pies to make it safer, but it was still pretty dangerous. If you had your mouth open, you'd nearly be suffocated. And the prop department ran out of cream sometimes, so swept the old stuff off the floors, or mixed it with sawdust or industrial cleaners, and it was bad to get in your eyes or throat.

    In one bit, they were supposed to be piled on my real-life college football players, but they balked. Eventually, it was agreed to use stunt doubles. The three stunt doubles broke bones in the first take.

    PS: I am thinking that Mr. Hack must also be a big fan of the Stooges, for all his references to "kremlinstooges."

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @S

    A lot of their stunts weren’t entirely safe. Some of their stuff might not have been allowed today, but, then again, there’s Jack Ass, so maybe the Stooges would still be a go. 🙂

    I’d like to see one of the early movies with Ted Healy, before they refined their act, but I can only manage to find a clip or two.

    There’s a site I can vouch for called Oldies.com that’s got a single DVD for sale that’s got all the Ted Healy/Three Stooges collaborations on it. It’s like $20.00. (See top link in box below).

    The site has a huge collection of old films and TV series, and newer too. They used to have a deal of five DVD’s (older pre-1970 films) for 25.00.

    The Warner Bros archive, which the Healy/Stooges collection is a part of, go for a premium, usually 15-20$ a pop, but they are amazingly well preserved, and, or, they’ve cleaned them up a bit. Either way, they are very high quality prints.

    Even the oldest, such as the first talkie (circa 1926 or so), where the studio chief gives a speech to the audience at the beginning, is very ‘clean’. Though, amusingly, as they were still cautious with the technology, ie a record synchronized with the film, most of the sound was music, and not dialogue.

    They’ve got a great many of the Mabel Normand and Fatty Arbuckle comedies which are quite amusing, too.

    Classic Shorts from the Dream Factory, Volume 3

    On their way from the boards of vaudeville to becoming bona fide comedy legends, the men who would be Stooges did a spell as second bananas for Ted Healy on the soundstages of MGM.

    https://www.oldies.com/product-view/0005JD.html

    https://www.oldies.com/?msclkid=42707fdbd6541b50e9d01d64e4e95a6d&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ECI – Branded&utm_term=oldies .com&utm_content=Oldies

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: songbird
  1065. @LatW
    @Mikel


    I am criticizing Russia for the very same reasons that I criticized (and continue to criticize) Ukraine: killing scores of innocent people and lying through their teeth.
     
    Every normal person is critical of such by default and nothing is more simple than condemning senseless killing. It's a bit of a platitude (and I sense that you're almost implying that we're somehow agreeable to people being needlessly hurt).

    I'm not sure if it's adequate to equate Russia and Ukraine here, one is an aggressor, the other a victim. Donbas is partially a victim, too, stuck between two sides.

    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another's state. Our states are all we have -- only the Ukrainian state can adequately protect the Ukrainian people and you seem to be ok with that being demolished or at least compromised. At least I don't remember you objecting to it. I understand if you're not able to relate to that but it's real for us.


    you must have missed the many times I also criticized Russia’s actions (eg Skripal) before this war.
     
    I don't recall you criticizing the many instances of Russia's violence against Ukraine prior to February 2022. Skripal is peanuts compared to what Russia did in Donbas (decimation of the wounded soldiers, expulsion of people from Donbas, setting up of torture chambers -- all criminal actions in a foreign state, not to mention plain old stealing of industrial assets & natural resources). You seem to have no problem with those things, as I've never heard you say anything about it.

    At the time I was pissed off by the bloodletting in Donbass and the mendacity of our media and politicians. I thought that some opinions I had heard about Ukrainians in EE a very long time ago could explain what was going on but that was bad judgement.
     
    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians). So for some subjective reasons you're ticked off at the Western mainstream ethos and just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don't you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you're unable to address or fight them directly (the way that the old dissidents in the Soviet Union used to fight tyranny).

    He must have thought that even when a US president who expresses pro-Russian views is unable to do anything to improve relations, there is no hope of any understanding so he might as well become the monster he’s been demonized and sanctioned for being.
     
    Oh yea? Well, I think he made a move not because he was disillusioned with the West (the break with the West happened already in 2007), but because he could (or thought he could). The West was tired from Covid and internal divisions, even Western leaders (Trump, Macron) were trashing NATO, and commodities were getting expensive. It was a good time to do this. Had Ukraine had more time to develop its missile production, the window of opportunity could've closed.

    It’s not easy to understand a different culture and mentality but this tragedy is revealing quite a lot about the mental processes in that part of the wold. And how about Russia’s neighbors? Are you really so diametrically different from them?
     
    What does that have to do with anything? I simply said that you're delusional if you think Russia will ever apologize or humble herself. They're in a completely different mode right now. This is one of the most basic things about Russia.

    suggests that you can also be a victim of the “with me or against me” attitude that prevails East of you
     
    .

    I'm not a victim of anything. When someone starts killing your children, then this distinction is absolutely normal and understandable. This is not some attitude that "prevails East of you", but an attitude in any healthy society.

    Ok, maybe I was wrong about the 180, let's say, it's a 100 instead.

    Btw, in the link provided yesterday by AK we can see a good amount of Russian intellectuals and public figures (some from Putin’s own party) who have expressed opposition to this war.
     
    Yes, that was a very good list. I have followed several of those individuals for a long time. The thing about that list is that some of the individuals on the left column are either exiled, heavily marginalized or deplatformed. I understand that when a country is at war (although Russia doesn't even have the balls to call this for what it is), one must stifle all opposition and criticisms of the military. And this is what Russia has done.


    I have never seen anything like that in Ukraine with regards to the Donbass war.
     
    These things are different. If the Ukrainian state used its army to invade the Kuban' region and start murdering people there, then a whole number of Ukrainians would oppose that.

    There was this guy Melnyk who used to write frequently on the Kyiv Post and favored the idea of letting Donbass go in Ukraine’s own interest
     
    That's a very bold proposition and a big deal. Most countries are very sensitive towards giving up any territory. The Ukrainian public is against this (and this might be against their constitution).

    but I never saw him actually criticize the actions of the war
     
    This was a time of chaos and great hurt. The kind you probably can't fathom. You have never been attacked in that manner.

    contrary to what seems to be the case in Russia.
     
    Well, in Russia there is peer pressure now to not criticize the military and Putin. You can still do it in some cases (the ethno nationalist Dmitry Demushkin does it now but is much less outspoken than before). But others, such as Nevzorov, were forced into exile (granted, he can be pretty nutty). Many are in exile now.

    Replies: @216, @Mikel

    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians).

    If you’re not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia’s neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster. But that doesn’t really imply any sense of superiority. I actually think that we’re worse in some important ways. In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being) but in this conflict you’ve put the gasoline with your old feuds and we’ve put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them. This silly choice of ours that has taken us to a dangerous new Cold War is also connected to our inability to leave people alone in other parts of the world and always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.

    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have

    You’ve actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don’t care.

    You know perfectly well that there were many such small children killed, maimed or left orphaned in Donbass too. Whether you realize it or not, what you’re claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances. My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances. I am fully aware that in a war there are those who are in the right and those whose motives are more questionable or outright evil. But that doesn’t relieve the “good side” from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict. AP, AK, AnonfromTN and you are wasting your time pointing out the political circumstances around these atrocities. I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.

    just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don’t you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you’re unable to address or fight them directly

    I’m not sure what you’re on about here but now that Laxa had stopped treating us to her insufferable psychobabble, you’re not going to take over from her, are you??

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    If you’re not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia’s neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster.
     
    No, I'm not confusing you with another commenter. Oh, so now you're calling Russia an "eastern monster"? Why eastern, why not just a monster? Interesting. It's hard to understand what you're saying (you're seeming to imply that Russia's Western neighbors' behavior or morality is somehow inferior because it is like Russian? I don't get it). There are both similarities and differences with Russia. Both enjoyable or not so much.


    In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being)
     
    That's only because the interests of the Western countries are generally in line with each others'. It doesn't mean it's because the Westerners are somehow morally or behaviorally superior, it's just because they are not challenged in the way that the EEs are.

    but in this conflict you’ve put the gasoline with your old feuds
     
    No, the "old feuds" (whatever you mean by that) are not the reason for this. The reason is because Russia decided to revise the post-1991 situation. There is no parity right now between Russia and her neighbors so there can't be equal levels of responsibility. So the whole way you're phrasing this is inaccurate.

    we’ve put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them
     
    The West can't mediate because the West is not neutral. And also not capable of really affecting the situation from the mediation point of view. The West doesn't have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.

    always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.
     
    That vibe is coming off of you, too, a lot. You keep going on and on how the Easterners are somehow deficient. That's how that moralizing starts.

    You’ve actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don’t care.
     
    Don't deliberately circumvent my point. If the Ukrainian statehood had not been attacked (with Western Putinophiles hooting and hollering in support or even worse, closing their eyes to the real deal for decades) then these deaths and all the other types of massive harm would not have occurred.

    Whether you realize it or not, what you’re claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances
     
    You completely just made that up because you enjoy being passive aggressive. There is nothing there that you somehow realize about my statements more than I do myself. You pretend to be living in a la la land while I'm trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).

    My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances.
     
    Again, just empty, vague idealism. The children of Donbas died also because of the attack on the Ukrainian statehood. You are avoiding the crux of the matter and hide behind your fake benevolence and "humaneness" to avoid the tough questions here. Had Ukraine's statehood not been challenged, not even verbally, there would be no circumstances where children are dying. And it starts way way before 2014.

    But that doesn’t relieve the “good side” from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict.
     
    Many Ukrainians have gone out of their way to observe norms in these heavy circumstances. They have taken on the expense of holding the bodies of the murderers of their children. And all the while spoiled Western Putinophiles are trashing them.

    Speaking of treating people decently, are you aware of what is going on in the occupied Mariupol right now? People are drinking from puddles and eating pigeons. The bodies of the killed are left under the rubble or shoveled with the rubble into pits. I really, really hope this last piece of info that I heard is not true. How was it ok to reduce the people of Mariupol to that state?


    I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.
     
    Well, what are you saying, that you saw a person killed in front of your eyes?

    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of "having old feuds".Which we really don't. We just wanted to move on from what a bunch senile jerks thought they have the right to impose on us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

  1066. LatW says:
    @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better, or this is the traditional belief of the 20th century audio fans. Until the last couple decades, when it becomes confusing. In 1970s studio monitors like NS-1000, are weighing 60 kg for two.

    But nowadays there is Genelec from the minimalist Nordic culture, which makes professional studio monitors that are compact. There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XgwajAz0dw

    Although Genelec is professional monitors that will sound as good as any old system, I don't think many traditionalist hi-fi communities want to pay $9500 for audio systems which look this "acceptable for girls".


    I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

     

    Well Mr Hack said he is divorced. Now he is free to convert his living room to somewhere which looks like a Soviet space program with dozens of wires on the carpet.

    And then there is AP by comparison, who claims he is happy listening to audio in his car, as his wife probably doesn't accept a single visible wire in their house.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better

    Of course, big speakers that you can place at both ends of the room are always better, the sound is great. And it’s not advisable to use headphones a lot, it’s not good for your ears if you use them for too long and too loud.

    [MORE]

    There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    Yea, that looks amazing and really pretty. I love how it’s shaped (the edges are not as hard).

    as his wife probably doesn’t accept a single visible wire in their house

    Haha, I must be the most patient person in the world — I have never complained about the wires and have always cleaned around the wires very carefully even though I don’t like that there’s so many of them and how they look. But I have always appreciated why they’re there (you get a lot out of it).

  1067. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    I have to say that I clicked on that link and the really amusing thing that I noticed is that our benevolent founder, AK himself, is on the list in what I assume is the pro-war column of personalities.
    The funny thing is that his is the only blurb in English and it is an explanation of the Ukraine/ Russia conflict using Harry Friggin' Potter as an analogy!

    Was this something AK actually said, and who compiled this list? I can't read Russian so I don't get the context, but this seemed really hilarious.

    Replies: @Mikel

    If you open the webpage in Chrome and right click on it, you can have it translated to English.

    Apparently, they just chose some quote from each of the personalities and the one they chose from AK does not make him look very profound at all. But well, he does make ample use of memes of questionable value and pop fiction characters in his posts so it’s not entirely undeserved.

    Any progress in your negotiations with the skeptics?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    Thanks.

    I've been meaning to update on that, not that there is much to remark on. We are still hung up on what would be an acceptable test. I haven't pursued them further, since I wanted to do some more testing on my own. I should have some time this weekend to do a couple tests and I will get back with results once I do.

    I apologize for letting it slide, it's gotten into my busy season and I'm right in the thick of it. Times where I would have some free time I don't think about it, and so time keeps slipping by, taken up by things more on the front burner. But...now your question puts it more on the front burner at a time where I can actually get to it.

  1068. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers.
     
    What's your own religious affiliation?

    Replies: @AnonfromTN

    What’s your own religious affiliation?

    According to libtards, this question is not politically correct. As to atheism, a person who knows something about the world (which is much bigger than most ideologues think) inevitably comes to the conclusion that there are too many gods to take them seriously.

  1069. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    Don’t you think that the “when chasing away unwanted and uninvited ruthless invaders” can be equally applied to Syria? Or Serbia?
     
    I've just informed you that "Besides, you’re creating a stupid whataboutism (you’re free to do so, but you appear silly doing so), “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?” "Silly" was a nicety that I wrote to show you some respect, I should have been harsher and written "stupid". Well, you've just made my point.

    Not blindly? What does that mean? Sometimes yes, sometimes no?
     
    It means that I don't endorse all US and NATO positions in the world, do you have reading comprehension problems?

    Replies: @Beckow

    You elaboration – or a repeat – of your argument made it even less clear. First, you put a question mark after “so why shouldn’t Russia?“. Should they or shouldn’t they? Where do you stand? Or is it along the lines of “what the hell, sh..t happens, why not?

    It means that I don’t endorse all US and NATO positions

    Ok, which ones did you oppose? To try to distance yourself by putting in a weasel qualifier not all can mean almost anything. Maybe you don’t endorse the push by Nato for female officers, or having a sea-food buffet in Riga that includes whale meat. The soft distancing is meaningless.

    Let’s be specific: you are upset that civilians are dying in the bombing in Ukraine (but by Russia only, whatever). There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc… Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.

    If you don’t endorse it, then what happened to these war crimes? The reality is that nothing happened – the opposite: the West in general celebrated and rewarded them. With some exceptions, like being “cussed out” by a few people at airports as LatW helpfully told us.

    This is the 800-pound guerilla in the room and not your wished for guerilla fighters in Kherson. A position this inconsistent is not sustainable, it amounts to a lie. We can and they can’t. Or – almost worse – we bomb, get “cussed out”, but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..

    In no sane universe this is an acceptable intellectual argument – that’s why, as I pointed out to you, in Pew global surveys majority of people say what I say: I am not isolated, you are. Phoenix is not the world.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?”
     
    I was paraphrasing your sentiments here, did I get something wrong?

    There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc… Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.
     
    I wasn't interested in international affairs as much then as I am now, so I never made any "endorsements" at that time. If anything I leaned more towards the official US positions, and was moved by the civilian butchery exhibited by the Serbian side. Now, many years later, I'm more open to appreciating the Serb side of the conflict and understand that there were probably way too many Serbian civilians killed during this conflict. It was a complicated situation, that I'm still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.

    What Pew surveys are you talking about?

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    We can and they can’t. Or – almost worse – we bomb, get “cussed out”, but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..
     
    Ok, you can keep belaboring that point, but a 6 year old Ukrainian child had nothing to do with NATO's operations or what some senile dude in the Kremlin believes, and I have the right to stand up for her. It's that simple. .

    Replies: @Beckow

  1070. @German_reader
    Germany and Netherlands will send another six Panzerhaubitzen 2000 to Ukraine (three from each country), so there'll be 18 of them, enough for an artillery batallion:
    https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Ukraine-erhaelt-weitere-Panzerhaubitzen-2000-article23428993.html
    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces. But that's probably the absolute limit of what's possible in this regard from Western European NATO countries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces.

    Psychiatrists say that doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sure sign of insanity. Very recently Uralvagonzavod sent its thanks to Macron for two Caesar pieces captured in pristine condition by the Russian army: Ukies ran away so fast that they did not have a chance even to damage them.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    I guess Russia can present them as spoils of war in a great victory parade then (though it will be pretty lame compared to the 1944 one with German pows).
    Sorry, I know you've got personal reasons for your stance on this war and to some extent I even respect that (certainly way more than Karlin's bs..."I'm making money to send to Russian volunteers", cowardly merchant bugman attitude), but I can't agree, and there's no real point to a discussion about it now.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    There is rumor Ukies sold two Caesar pieces for 120.000 $

  1071. @A123
    @sher singh

    Cuck Singh,

    I am 100% Christian (CONFIRMED).

    You are:
        -- 100% Cuck Sikh (Confirmed)
        -- Serial liar (Confirmed)

    You really need to stop lying about:
        • Your total submission to Islam.
        • God and Jesus.
    ___

    Your desperate inchoate flailing is an open admission of your personal insecurity. Remember,

           None of us are laughing with you.
                Everyone is laughing at you

    Feel free to continue humiliating yourself for our amusement.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sher singh

  1072. German_reader says:
    @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces.
     
    Psychiatrists say that doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sure sign of insanity. Very recently Uralvagonzavod sent its thanks to Macron for two Caesar pieces captured in pristine condition by the Russian army: Ukies ran away so fast that they did not have a chance even to damage them.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Jazman

    I guess Russia can present them as spoils of war in a great victory parade then (though it will be pretty lame compared to the 1944 one with German pows).
    Sorry, I know you’ve got personal reasons for your stance on this war and to some extent I even respect that (certainly way more than Karlin’s bs…”I’m making money to send to Russian volunteers”, cowardly merchant bugman attitude), but I can’t agree, and there’s no real point to a discussion about it now.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader


    ”I’m making money to send to Russian volunteers”, cowardly merchant bugman attitude)
     
    Not heroic or personally courageous to be sure, though probably more effective from a utilitarian perspective (apart from general humanitarian aid stuff, my efforts have helped finance thermal imagers and first aid kits for volunteers) than going to a warzone with no military training, and possibly less pathetic than incessantly seething about one's poverty, academic failure, and general loser status online (which I once empathized with, but now recognize as richly deserved).

    Replies: @German_reader

  1073. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    You have consistently had a stuck up and condescending attitude towards Ukrainians and other EEs (except Russians).
     
    If you're not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia's neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster. But that doesn't really imply any sense of superiority. I actually think that we're worse in some important ways. In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being) but in this conflict you've put the gasoline with your old feuds and we've put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them. This silly choice of ours that has taken us to a dangerous new Cold War is also connected to our inability to leave people alone in other parts of the world and always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.


    You have been reluctant to analyze the importance of the Ukrainian (or any) state and how unethical it is to destroy another’s state. Our states are all we have
     
    You've actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don't care.

    You know perfectly well that there were many such small children killed, maimed or left orphaned in Donbass too. Whether you realize it or not, what you're claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances. My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances. I am fully aware that in a war there are those who are in the right and those whose motives are more questionable or outright evil. But that doesn't relieve the "good side" from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict. AP, AK, AnonfromTN and you are wasting your time pointing out the political circumstances around these atrocities. I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.

    just use Ukrainians to channel your anger and project your anger on the Ukrainian people who are experiencing their darkest hour? It must feel very emotionally gratifying but it is very cowardly. Why don’t you diss the big guys? The US media establishment and the Kremlin. But you’re unable to address or fight them directly
     
    I'm not sure what you're on about here but now that Laxa had stopped treating us to her insufferable psychobabble, you're not going to take over from her, are you??

    Replies: @LatW

    If you’re not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia’s neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster.

    No, I’m not confusing you with another commenter. Oh, so now you’re calling Russia an “eastern monster”? Why eastern, why not just a monster? Interesting. It’s hard to understand what you’re saying (you’re seeming to imply that Russia’s Western neighbors’ behavior or morality is somehow inferior because it is like Russian? I don’t get it). There are both similarities and differences with Russia. Both enjoyable or not so much.

    [MORE]

    In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being)

    That’s only because the interests of the Western countries are generally in line with each others’. It doesn’t mean it’s because the Westerners are somehow morally or behaviorally superior, it’s just because they are not challenged in the way that the EEs are.

    but in this conflict you’ve put the gasoline with your old feuds

    No, the “old feuds” (whatever you mean by that) are not the reason for this. The reason is because Russia decided to revise the post-1991 situation. There is no parity right now between Russia and her neighbors so there can’t be equal levels of responsibility. So the whole way you’re phrasing this is inaccurate.

    we’ve put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them

    The West can’t mediate because the West is not neutral. And also not capable of really affecting the situation from the mediation point of view. The West doesn’t have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.

    always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.

    That vibe is coming off of you, too, a lot. You keep going on and on how the Easterners are somehow deficient. That’s how that moralizing starts.

    You’ve actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don’t care.

    Don’t deliberately circumvent my point. If the Ukrainian statehood had not been attacked (with Western Putinophiles hooting and hollering in support or even worse, closing their eyes to the real deal for decades) then these deaths and all the other types of massive harm would not have occurred.

    Whether you realize it or not, what you’re claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances

    You completely just made that up because you enjoy being passive aggressive. There is nothing there that you somehow realize about my statements more than I do myself. You pretend to be living in a la la land while I’m trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).

    My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances.

    Again, just empty, vague idealism. The children of Donbas died also because of the attack on the Ukrainian statehood. You are avoiding the crux of the matter and hide behind your fake benevolence and “humaneness” to avoid the tough questions here. Had Ukraine’s statehood not been challenged, not even verbally, there would be no circumstances where children are dying. And it starts way way before 2014.

    But that doesn’t relieve the “good side” from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict.

    Many Ukrainians have gone out of their way to observe norms in these heavy circumstances. They have taken on the expense of holding the bodies of the murderers of their children. And all the while spoiled Western Putinophiles are trashing them.

    Speaking of treating people decently, are you aware of what is going on in the occupied Mariupol right now? People are drinking from puddles and eating pigeons. The bodies of the killed are left under the rubble or shoveled with the rubble into pits. I really, really hope this last piece of info that I heard is not true. How was it ok to reduce the people of Mariupol to that state?

    I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.

    Well, what are you saying, that you saw a person killed in front of your eyes?

    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of “having old feuds”.Which we really don’t. We just wanted to move on from what a bunch senile jerks thought they have the right to impose on us.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of “having old feuds”.
     
    Of course you have, it's beyond clear that the attitude of Poles and Balts is driven to a large extent by resentment over what happened in the 1940s, not from any real assessment of present-day threats to your own countries (virtually nobody of any importance in Western countries has even insinuated that NATO obligations towards Poland and the Baltic states should be void in case of a Russian attack). It's one thing to feel sympathy with Ukraine and wish to support it, but at least on a verbal level you (meaning Poles and Balts in general, not just you specifically) behave as if you are already at war yourselves with Russia, and again and again you bring up simply demented proposals (sending NATO "peacekeepers" to Ukraine, enforcing a no-fly-zone, sending NATO ships as blockade breakers to the Black sea) which would be highly likely to make such a catastrophic direct NATO-Russia war a reality. I get that Ukrainians are desperate, but you, under NATO's umbrella, don't have any such excuse, so your fanaticism is getting rather tiresome.
    This is also wrong btw:

    The West doesn’t have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.
     
    Of course the West has influence over Ukraine, the US especially, but to a lesser extent also the Western Europeans. If they decide to end support for Ukraine or make it conditional, it's over for Ukraine, without Western support Ukraine stands no chance whatsoever.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Mikel
    @LatW


    You pretend to be living in a la la land while I’m trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).
     
    I'm not planning to spend much time this weekend discussing matters that are old and tired for me but perhaps I haven't understood you. Many children were killed, injured or brutally rendered orphans under Ukrainian (and to a lesser extent Russian) bombs in Donbass during 2014-2015.

    Are you saying that this was an inevitable consequence of Ukraine fulfilling its duties as a sovereign state or are you agreeing with me that no f*cking sovereign duties justify that horrendous toll? Easy and straightforward question meant only to clarify personal stances.

    Replies: @LatW

  1074. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You elaboration - or a repeat - of your argument made it even less clear. First, you put a question mark after "so why shouldn’t Russia?". Should they or shouldn't they? Where do you stand? Or is it along the lines of "what the hell, sh..t happens, why not?"


    It means that I don’t endorse all US and NATO positions
     
    Ok, which ones did you oppose? To try to distance yourself by putting in a weasel qualifier not all can mean almost anything. Maybe you don't endorse the push by Nato for female officers, or having a sea-food buffet in Riga that includes whale meat. The soft distancing is meaningless.

    Let's be specific: you are upset that civilians are dying in the bombing in Ukraine (but by Russia only, whatever). There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc... Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.

    If you don't endorse it, then what happened to these war crimes? The reality is that nothing happened - the opposite: the West in general celebrated and rewarded them. With some exceptions, like being "cussed out" by a few people at airports as LatW helpfully told us.

    This is the 800-pound guerilla in the room and not your wished for guerilla fighters in Kherson. A position this inconsistent is not sustainable, it amounts to a lie. We can and they can't. Or - almost worse - we bomb, get "cussed out", but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..

    In no sane universe this is an acceptable intellectual argument - that's why, as I pointed out to you, in Pew global surveys majority of people say what I say: I am not isolated, you are. Phoenix is not the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?”

    I was paraphrasing your sentiments here, did I get something wrong?

    There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc… Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.

    I wasn’t interested in international affairs as much then as I am now, so I never made any “endorsements” at that time. If anything I leaned more towards the official US positions, and was moved by the civilian butchery exhibited by the Serbian side. Now, many years later, I’m more open to appreciating the Serb side of the conflict and understand that there were probably way too many Serbian civilians killed during this conflict. It was a complicated situation, that I’m still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.

    What Pew surveys are you talking about?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ....It was a complicated situation, that I’m still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.
     
    Sure. Many of us feel the same way about this Donbas-Russia-Ukraine imbroglio. It is complicated, but to consider it in a vacuum is deceptive.

    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine. Then none of this bloody nonsense would be taking place. Nato aggression was not criticized by the same media in the West that now goes nuts about Russia - when the bombing was going on there was complete support. Later, when it didn't matter, they grudgingly said "mistakes were made".

    I was coming of age when the first Nato bombing took place in Serbia, then came Iraq and the others. Unlike in the West we saw very detailed news about the blown up passenger trains, media outlets and children in Serbia - worse than what we see today in Ukraine, more indiscriminate and intentional. We saw the lying by the West, lying so massive that even today you yourself only recall "butchery" by one side.

    Wars are always complicated, this one is too.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

  1075. @A123
    @Barbarossa

    BJP "Cuck" Singh started use of this grim terminology.

    If you want it to stop, that is where you need to take your request.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @sher singh, @Barbarossa

    No worries, I find it all mildly amusing. Sher Singh’s over the top, extravagant insults are always worth a laugh…

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    I mean…come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.

    • Agree: LatW, A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa



    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    I mean…come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.
     
    I was visualizing 1,000 copies of Halle Berry at her prime.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ENuX7DOS20E/TxlvLN4ZnxI/AAAAAAAAKAQ/vzAtIJj8KBI/s1600/Halle+Berry+as+Catwoman+%25283%2529.jpg



    Death by "Snu Snu"

    https://i.redd.it/hdcicxk3q4ox.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    , @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    There's a cultural context where capital criminals were crushed beneath elephants.
    Niggadry or nigger-loving is a capital crime.

    Not really joking,
    but shrug.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935318451591999488/992610939218165880/IMG_20170617_175537.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  1076. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack

    You elaboration - or a repeat - of your argument made it even less clear. First, you put a question mark after "so why shouldn’t Russia?". Should they or shouldn't they? Where do you stand? Or is it along the lines of "what the hell, sh..t happens, why not?"


    It means that I don’t endorse all US and NATO positions
     
    Ok, which ones did you oppose? To try to distance yourself by putting in a weasel qualifier not all can mean almost anything. Maybe you don't endorse the push by Nato for female officers, or having a sea-food buffet in Riga that includes whale meat. The soft distancing is meaningless.

    Let's be specific: you are upset that civilians are dying in the bombing in Ukraine (but by Russia only, whatever). There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc... Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.

    If you don't endorse it, then what happened to these war crimes? The reality is that nothing happened - the opposite: the West in general celebrated and rewarded them. With some exceptions, like being "cussed out" by a few people at airports as LatW helpfully told us.

    This is the 800-pound guerilla in the room and not your wished for guerilla fighters in Kherson. A position this inconsistent is not sustainable, it amounts to a lie. We can and they can't. Or - almost worse - we bomb, get "cussed out", but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..

    In no sane universe this is an acceptable intellectual argument - that's why, as I pointed out to you, in Pew global surveys majority of people say what I say: I am not isolated, you are. Phoenix is not the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @LatW

    We can and they can’t. Or – almost worse – we bomb, get “cussed out”, but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..

    Ok, you can keep belaboring that point, but a 6 year old Ukrainian child had nothing to do with NATO’s operations or what some senile dude in the Kremlin believes, and I have the right to stand up for her. It’s that simple. .

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    You have the right to stand up for whatever you want. I don't have a personal stake in this war, so maybe I am more objective. For people like you this is very emotional and understandably so.


    nothing to do with NATO’s operations or what some senile dude in the Kremlin believes
     
    Nothing? Denying the obvious is not productive in any conflict, it prolongs it.

    And who is the senile dude? Did Biden get lost again?

  1077. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @Mikel


    If you’re not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia’s neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster.
     
    No, I'm not confusing you with another commenter. Oh, so now you're calling Russia an "eastern monster"? Why eastern, why not just a monster? Interesting. It's hard to understand what you're saying (you're seeming to imply that Russia's Western neighbors' behavior or morality is somehow inferior because it is like Russian? I don't get it). There are both similarities and differences with Russia. Both enjoyable or not so much.


    In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being)
     
    That's only because the interests of the Western countries are generally in line with each others'. It doesn't mean it's because the Westerners are somehow morally or behaviorally superior, it's just because they are not challenged in the way that the EEs are.

    but in this conflict you’ve put the gasoline with your old feuds
     
    No, the "old feuds" (whatever you mean by that) are not the reason for this. The reason is because Russia decided to revise the post-1991 situation. There is no parity right now between Russia and her neighbors so there can't be equal levels of responsibility. So the whole way you're phrasing this is inaccurate.

    we’ve put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them
     
    The West can't mediate because the West is not neutral. And also not capable of really affecting the situation from the mediation point of view. The West doesn't have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.

    always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.
     
    That vibe is coming off of you, too, a lot. You keep going on and on how the Easterners are somehow deficient. That's how that moralizing starts.

    You’ve actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don’t care.
     
    Don't deliberately circumvent my point. If the Ukrainian statehood had not been attacked (with Western Putinophiles hooting and hollering in support or even worse, closing their eyes to the real deal for decades) then these deaths and all the other types of massive harm would not have occurred.

    Whether you realize it or not, what you’re claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances
     
    You completely just made that up because you enjoy being passive aggressive. There is nothing there that you somehow realize about my statements more than I do myself. You pretend to be living in a la la land while I'm trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).

    My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances.
     
    Again, just empty, vague idealism. The children of Donbas died also because of the attack on the Ukrainian statehood. You are avoiding the crux of the matter and hide behind your fake benevolence and "humaneness" to avoid the tough questions here. Had Ukraine's statehood not been challenged, not even verbally, there would be no circumstances where children are dying. And it starts way way before 2014.

    But that doesn’t relieve the “good side” from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict.
     
    Many Ukrainians have gone out of their way to observe norms in these heavy circumstances. They have taken on the expense of holding the bodies of the murderers of their children. And all the while spoiled Western Putinophiles are trashing them.

    Speaking of treating people decently, are you aware of what is going on in the occupied Mariupol right now? People are drinking from puddles and eating pigeons. The bodies of the killed are left under the rubble or shoveled with the rubble into pits. I really, really hope this last piece of info that I heard is not true. How was it ok to reduce the people of Mariupol to that state?


    I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.
     
    Well, what are you saying, that you saw a person killed in front of your eyes?

    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of "having old feuds".Which we really don't. We just wanted to move on from what a bunch senile jerks thought they have the right to impose on us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of “having old feuds”.

    Of course you have, it’s beyond clear that the attitude of Poles and Balts is driven to a large extent by resentment over what happened in the 1940s, not from any real assessment of present-day threats to your own countries (virtually nobody of any importance in Western countries has even insinuated that NATO obligations towards Poland and the Baltic states should be void in case of a Russian attack). It’s one thing to feel sympathy with Ukraine and wish to support it, but at least on a verbal level you (meaning Poles and Balts in general, not just you specifically) behave as if you are already at war yourselves with Russia, and again and again you bring up simply demented proposals (sending NATO “peacekeepers” to Ukraine, enforcing a no-fly-zone, sending NATO ships as blockade breakers to the Black sea) which would be highly likely to make such a catastrophic direct NATO-Russia war a reality. I get that Ukrainians are desperate, but you, under NATO’s umbrella, don’t have any such excuse, so your fanaticism is getting rather tiresome.
    This is also wrong btw:

    The West doesn’t have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.

    Of course the West has influence over Ukraine, the US especially, but to a lesser extent also the Western Europeans. If they decide to end support for Ukraine or make it conditional, it’s over for Ukraine, without Western support Ukraine stands no chance whatsoever.

    • Agree: Mikel, Beckow
    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    it’s beyond clear that the attitude of Poles and Balts is driven to a large extent by resentment over what happened in the 1940s, not from any real assessment of present-day threats to your own countries
     
    That's simply not true. And, even if it were, it is very wise to learn from the past. It's driven by Russia not being able to settle down (since the Chechen wars) and constantly talking about revisionism. Also, Russia's denial of the past events (although that is not as important). It is very very much about today.
    You don't speak Russian so you haven't heard the way they talk and what they really think. And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.

    virtually nobody of any importance in Western countries has even insinuated that NATO obligations towards Poland and the Baltic states should be void in case of a Russian attack
     
    Trump? That's not even the point. The point is that the contingency plan is only being created now (before it was only talk).

    Replies: @German_reader

  1078. @Mr. Hack
    @Beckow


    “the US got involved where it shouldn’t, so why shouldn’t Russia?”
     
    I was paraphrasing your sentiments here, did I get something wrong?

    There were more civilians who died horrible deaths in the Nato bombing of Serbia, Iraq etc… Did you endorse that? If yes, we are done here, you are simply a hypocrite.
     
    I wasn't interested in international affairs as much then as I am now, so I never made any "endorsements" at that time. If anything I leaned more towards the official US positions, and was moved by the civilian butchery exhibited by the Serbian side. Now, many years later, I'm more open to appreciating the Serb side of the conflict and understand that there were probably way too many Serbian civilians killed during this conflict. It was a complicated situation, that I'm still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.

    What Pew surveys are you talking about?

    Replies: @Beckow

    ….It was a complicated situation, that I’m still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.

    Sure. Many of us feel the same way about this Donbas-Russia-Ukraine imbroglio. It is complicated, but to consider it in a vacuum is deceptive.

    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine. Then none of this bloody nonsense would be taking place. Nato aggression was not criticized by the same media in the West that now goes nuts about Russia – when the bombing was going on there was complete support. Later, when it didn’t matter, they grudgingly said “mistakes were made“.

    I was coming of age when the first Nato bombing took place in Serbia, then came Iraq and the others. Unlike in the West we saw very detailed news about the blown up passenger trains, media outlets and children in Serbia – worse than what we see today in Ukraine, more indiscriminate and intentional. We saw the lying by the West, lying so massive that even today you yourself only recall “butchery” by one side.

    Wars are always complicated, this one is too.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine.
     
    Russia would've never accepted NATO in Ukraine in any form because they see it as an infringement on their culture first and foremost. They're just not comfortable with it, period.

    Maybe, instead of bringing up Serbia, one might try arguing in the other direction. Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe. They all separate and nobody bothers each other neither physically nor verbally. It would be better than this eternal whataboutism (even if not realistic).

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wokechoke
    @Beckow

    NATO is administered by a modern version of Quisling. An antiMoscow Scandinavian. I'm not saying Quisling was wrong at the time but he was basically just like Stoltenberg. It's uncanny.

  1079. Sean says:
    @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced.
     
    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal. Russia's leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    "Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity."

    No, it was the same state with a different political order.
     
    It's native elites were replaced by an international gang of Caucasians, Jews, Latvians, whatever Lenin was and its political system was completely changed. It was based on the same place with the same human capital so there were similarities - if one kills someone and makes a Frankenstein's monster out of the corpse, the monster will share certain features with the dead man.

    In contrast, post-Soviet Russia was not so different. It had the same elites in charge, they just decided to ape western capitalists in their own self-serving way. This was not a Revolution, it was analogous to the Petrine reforms, Peter's killing of the musketeers was similar to Yeltsin's destruction of the Russian parliament.

    "The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian."

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.
     
    1. Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host. The Zaporozhian hetman, Petro Kalnyshevsky, was awarded the Gold Medal of the Order of Saint Andrew with diamonds for his efforts in that liberation.

    2. Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    3. Parts of those territories had already been sparsely settled by escaped serfs. In terms of largescale migration after the annexation by the Russian Empire, there is no evidence that the rural settlers moving south from immediately adjacent ethnic Ukrainian territory came later than the urban settlers coming all the way from Russia.

    "Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms."

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.
     
    The illiterate proles in the cities weren't managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also. The infamous Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov was from such a Ukrainian Cossack officer family. His father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant.
     
    But this was not the case.

    About Khmelnytsky: Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war.
     
    Maybe so. But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.
     
    And in that case, one could say that Ukraine's inclusion in Belarus was a Soviet gift to Belarus, it was their work.

    But instead, Ukraine's borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    They probably did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand and some cultural projects to go through as they consolidated their physical power. The Soviet elites did much the same in 1990s Ukraine.


    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.
     
    So you claim. But Eurostat and other sources claim 1.8, they are probably more accurate than you.

    Replies: @216, @Dmitry, @Sean, @Here Be Dragon

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal.

    Ukraine’s border with Russia in the process of conforming to the balance of total forces on either side of it, like every other border in the world between two countries who are not on friendly terms with one another. This process had been going on since 2014. The countries were effectively at war, albeit at a very low level of intensity.

    Russia’s leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    Post 2014 millions of ethnic Russian voters were eliminated from Ukrainian elections, yet Zelensky still won the presidency by promising peace, which could only mean accepting a deal. Germany, France and perhaps even Americans thought the deal (Normandy Process) was the way forward for Ukraine but rival politicians, veterans and activist protensted and eventually Zelensky decided against accepting. Russian made clear it was going to stop using Ukraine’s pipeline network and in June 2021 NATO reaffirmed the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that Ukraine would become a member of the alliance; according to Russian POWs the middle of last year was when they began to train for an occupation of Ukraine. In November- December 2021 Ukraine used the Javelin and the Turkish drones for the first time in combat. Russia and Ukraine are fighting because they prefer that to the alternative. In neither case has the decision been reached very democratically.

  1080. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    It’s the logic of 90s gangsters, itself the reflection of Soviet morality.

    No, it’s a regular political logic. All disagreements sooner or later end with agreements, the agreements are most often forced.
     
    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    In this case, Ukraine was coerced into signing an unfair deal by the aggressor, because it had been caught in a state of weakness, when it recovered its strength it did not fulfill this coerced deal. Russia's leadership miscalculated, thinking Ukraine was still as weak as it had been when the deal was forced upon it, and now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    "Soviet Russia did not merely change its name. It was a new entity, a Frankenstein’s monster created out of the corpse of Russia whom the Bolsheviks killed. There is no continuity."

    No, it was the same state with a different political order.
     
    It's native elites were replaced by an international gang of Caucasians, Jews, Latvians, whatever Lenin was and its political system was completely changed. It was based on the same place with the same human capital so there were similarities - if one kills someone and makes a Frankenstein's monster out of the corpse, the monster will share certain features with the dead man.

    In contrast, post-Soviet Russia was not so different. It had the same elites in charge, they just decided to ape western capitalists in their own self-serving way. This was not a Revolution, it was analogous to the Petrine reforms, Peter's killing of the musketeers was similar to Yeltsin's destruction of the Russian parliament.

    "The regions were overwhelmingly rural, so absolute majority of the population on that territory was Ukrainian."

    And it doesn’t matter, the Russians liberated those territories, and built those cities. The Ukrainians hadn’t been there before them.
     
    1. Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host. The Zaporozhian hetman, Petro Kalnyshevsky, was awarded the Gold Medal of the Order of Saint Andrew with diamonds for his efforts in that liberation.

    2. Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    3. Parts of those territories had already been sparsely settled by escaped serfs. In terms of largescale migration after the annexation by the Russian Empire, there is no evidence that the rural settlers moving south from immediately adjacent ethnic Ukrainian territory came later than the urban settlers coming all the way from Russia.

    "Most of the urban population were illiterate proles certainly no more capable of managing a state than were peasants, who at least had experience managing their farms."

    Those people were managing their cities and provinces. The Ukrainians worked in the fields, and had no farms.
     
    The illiterate proles in the cities weren't managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also. The infamous Ukrainian nationalist Dmytro Dontsov was from such a Ukrainian Cossack officer family. His father had been mayor of Melitopol.

    Hetman with the Zaporozhian Host. This formula was repeated in all official Cossack documents.

    Cossack documents and the titles he gave to himself are insignificant.
     
    But this was not the case.

    About Khmelnytsky: Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine in 1650 prayed for him during the liturgy as ‘the Ruler and Hetman of the Great Rus’.’ The Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    You had claimed that the Soviets had given those lands to Ukraine. The Germans did it. It was their gift.

    Their gift was cancelled. The Germans lost the war.
     
    Maybe so. But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    Had the Soviets wanted it, the entire Ukraine could have been given to Belarus.
     
    And in that case, one could say that Ukraine's inclusion in Belarus was a Soviet gift to Belarus, it was their work.

    But instead, Ukraine's borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    They probably did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand and some cultural projects to go through as they consolidated their physical power. The Soviet elites did much the same in 1990s Ukraine.


    We were discussing members of a household. Not “householders.”

    The definition of a household in Europe is one or several persons who live in the same dwelling and share expenditures. My understanding was that sharing expenditures meant paying the bills.

    That isn’t right, children are sharing expenditures along with their parents. That’s not money only.

    But the number of 1.8 rooms per person is for sure incorrect.
     
    So you claim. But Eurostat and other sources claim 1.8, they are probably more accurate than you.

    Replies: @216, @Dmitry, @Sean, @Here Be Dragon

    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.

    We can discuss the legal or illegal aspect of the Maidan coup. You will have to agree that it was illegal, and then we can discuss whether there was an invasion. You will have to agree that there wasn’t. So let us not waste our time.

    Ukraine was offered a solution, it flushed it down the toilet.

    Now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    Excellent consequences for the Russian side. Things are getting better and better. Ukraine is losing its sovereign status, on the other hand. Ukraine will lose a large part of its land as well.

    Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host.

    That’s insignificant. On their own the Ukrainians were not capable of that. For their participation, the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories. That’s a good deal for the Ukrainian peasant lowlife.

    Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.

    The Tatars burnt Moscow in the late 16th century.

    Here is an incomplete list of Tatar invasions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars#Incomplete_list_of_Tatar_raids

    The Ukrainians are incapable of organized resistance. This primitive tribe of peasant alcoholics is good for nothing.

    The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also.

    That refers to a time before the industrialization, there were no proles, let alone illiterate ones. The Ukrainians, on the other hand, were one hundred percent illiterate. A tribe of humanoid earth worms.

    And all were alcoholics.

    But this was not the case. Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine, the Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’

    Yes, and once there was a Chimpanzee called Consul. A lot of people called him Consul. That doesn’t mean he was one.

    But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    One cannot gift what one doesn’t have.

    Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    The loser cannot force the winner.

    They did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand.

    No it was done with the purpose of dividing the Empire into a number of states, which Stalin didn’t let happen.

    Your Bolshevik plan didn’t work, until the Yeltsin came. Now the Russians are correcting that historical error, and the Ukrainians will learn their place.

    The entire Ukrainian language, and culture, composed of nothing but a third rate literature and peasant songs, was forced upon the population during the Bolshevik Ukrainization period. All of the natural Russian elites were stripped of their positions, and replaced with illiterate scum from the surrounding villages.

    The result of that is what we are having now.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality."

    We can discuss the legal or illegal aspect of the Maidan coup. You will have to agree that it was illegal
     
    The government itself was illegal, the president himself a lawbreaker who gained control of parliament (and thus, total control of the country) through an illegal coup.

    Now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    Excellent consequences for the Russian side. Things are getting better and better.

     

    Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.

    Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host.

    That’s insignificant. On their own the Ukrainians were not capable of that.
     
    And Russians didn't do it without them.

    For their participation, the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories.
     
    Good that you acknowledge that this was an exchange for services, not a gift. Even you are capable of progress.

    "The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also."

    That refers to a time before the industrialization, there were no proles,
     
    In that case, the number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization. Ukrainian farmers preferred to move to the far east and get farmland, rather than work in some factory in Kharkiv.

    The Ukrainians, on the other hand, were one hundred percent illiterate.
     
    Sharikov comes out. Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.

    A tribe of humanoid earth worms.
     
    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is.

    "But this was not the case. Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine, the Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’"

    Yes, and once there was a Chimpanzee called Consul. A lot of people called him Consul. That doesn’t mean he was one.
     
    So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine.

    You claim that he was not one despite that recognition, but that is just the "idea" of a poorly educated provincial Soviet.

    But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    One cannot gift what one doesn’t have.
     
    The Germans had it when they gifted it. Do you know the chronology of World War I?

    Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    The loser cannot force the winner.
     
    Do you know basic history, poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov?

    Lenin accepted defeat and was forced by the victorious Germans to recognize Ukraine within more or less the current borders, minus Crimea.

    Now the Russians are correcting that historical error, and the Ukrainians will learn their place.
     
    Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield. The restoration of the natural order and undoing of Khmelnytsky's vile treason.

    https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Orsha

    The Battle of Orsha was fought on 8 September 1514, between the allied forces of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland, under the command of Hetman Konstanty Ostrogski, and the army of Grand Duchy of Moscow under Konyushy Ivan Chelyadnin and Kniaz Mikhail Golitsin.

    According to Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii by Sigismund von Herberstein, the primary source for the information on the battle, the much smaller army of Poland–Lithuania (under 30,000 men) defeated the 80,000 Russian soldiers, capturing their camp and commander. These numbers and proportions have been disputed by modern historians.

    The entire Ukrainian language, and culture, composed of nothing but a third rate literature and peasant songs

     

    Poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov has even more ideas, how cute. Bark some more.

    was forced upon the population during the Bolshevik Ukrainization period
     
    More display of poor education and ignorance.

    According to 1897 census far more people spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian than after Soviet rule. So-called Ukrainianization simply involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival. It was no more "forced" than Bohemian peasants moving to Prague and learning Czech rather than German, turning that formerly German-speaking city into a Czech-speaking city.

    What was forced, was the reversal of those policies and the Russification of the 1930s. It was accompanied by the mass murder of teachers and mass starvation of the peasants. A lot of Russian-speaking Sharikovs were created.

    It is the Russian-speaking nature of many Ukrainians that was the product of Soviet social experimentation. This will be undone.

    All of the natural Russian elites were stripped of their positions
     
    They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.

    and replaced with illiterate scum from the surrounding villages
     
    For the first decades, the Communist party in Ukraine consisted of ethnic Russians and Jews, almost no Ukrainians from surrounding villages.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

  1081. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of “having old feuds”.
     
    Of course you have, it's beyond clear that the attitude of Poles and Balts is driven to a large extent by resentment over what happened in the 1940s, not from any real assessment of present-day threats to your own countries (virtually nobody of any importance in Western countries has even insinuated that NATO obligations towards Poland and the Baltic states should be void in case of a Russian attack). It's one thing to feel sympathy with Ukraine and wish to support it, but at least on a verbal level you (meaning Poles and Balts in general, not just you specifically) behave as if you are already at war yourselves with Russia, and again and again you bring up simply demented proposals (sending NATO "peacekeepers" to Ukraine, enforcing a no-fly-zone, sending NATO ships as blockade breakers to the Black sea) which would be highly likely to make such a catastrophic direct NATO-Russia war a reality. I get that Ukrainians are desperate, but you, under NATO's umbrella, don't have any such excuse, so your fanaticism is getting rather tiresome.
    This is also wrong btw:

    The West doesn’t have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.
     
    Of course the West has influence over Ukraine, the US especially, but to a lesser extent also the Western Europeans. If they decide to end support for Ukraine or make it conditional, it's over for Ukraine, without Western support Ukraine stands no chance whatsoever.

    Replies: @LatW

    it’s beyond clear that the attitude of Poles and Balts is driven to a large extent by resentment over what happened in the 1940s, not from any real assessment of present-day threats to your own countries

    That’s simply not true. And, even if it were, it is very wise to learn from the past. It’s driven by Russia not being able to settle down (since the Chechen wars) and constantly talking about revisionism. Also, Russia’s denial of the past events (although that is not as important). It is very very much about today.
    You don’t speak Russian so you haven’t heard the way they talk and what they really think. And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.

    virtually nobody of any importance in Western countries has even insinuated that NATO obligations towards Poland and the Baltic states should be void in case of a Russian attack

    Trump? That’s not even the point. The point is that the contingency plan is only being created now (before it was only talk).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    That’s simply not true.
     
    It is, there are many examples in your own comments, e. g. I remember you waxing lyrically about some alleged Ukrainian-Latvian brotherhood because of shared experiences in the Gulag (yeah, right, because Ukraine was "occupied" in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn't been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too).

    And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.
     
    Merkel is a stupid bitch who should be hanged for having basically signed Germany's death warrant, but in relations to Russia her only real mistake was to increase the energy dependence on Russia (for which Germany will pay dearly). She was right in 2008 about Ukrainian NATO membership, and without the Minsk agreements Russia would probably already have invaded in 2014/15 and Ukraine would have folded like a house of cards. EE's don't have that much reason to complain about her.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

  1082. @LatW
    @Beckow


    We can and they can’t. Or – almost worse – we bomb, get “cussed out”, but then go hysterical when Russia does the same..
     
    Ok, you can keep belaboring that point, but a 6 year old Ukrainian child had nothing to do with NATO's operations or what some senile dude in the Kremlin believes, and I have the right to stand up for her. It's that simple. .

    Replies: @Beckow

    You have the right to stand up for whatever you want. I don’t have a personal stake in this war, so maybe I am more objective. For people like you this is very emotional and understandably so.

    nothing to do with NATO’s operations or what some senile dude in the Kremlin believes

    Nothing? Denying the obvious is not productive in any conflict, it prolongs it.

    And who is the senile dude? Did Biden get lost again?

  1083. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    it’s beyond clear that the attitude of Poles and Balts is driven to a large extent by resentment over what happened in the 1940s, not from any real assessment of present-day threats to your own countries
     
    That's simply not true. And, even if it were, it is very wise to learn from the past. It's driven by Russia not being able to settle down (since the Chechen wars) and constantly talking about revisionism. Also, Russia's denial of the past events (although that is not as important). It is very very much about today.
    You don't speak Russian so you haven't heard the way they talk and what they really think. And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.

    virtually nobody of any importance in Western countries has even insinuated that NATO obligations towards Poland and the Baltic states should be void in case of a Russian attack
     
    Trump? That's not even the point. The point is that the contingency plan is only being created now (before it was only talk).

    Replies: @German_reader

    That’s simply not true.

    It is, there are many examples in your own comments, e. g. I remember you waxing lyrically about some alleged Ukrainian-Latvian brotherhood because of shared experiences in the Gulag (yeah, right, because Ukraine was “occupied” in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too).

    And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.

    Merkel is a stupid bitch who should be hanged for having basically signed Germany’s death warrant, but in relations to Russia her only real mistake was to increase the energy dependence on Russia (for which Germany will pay dearly). She was right in 2008 about Ukrainian NATO membership, and without the Minsk agreements Russia would probably already have invaded in 2014/15 and Ukraine would have folded like a house of cards. EE’s don’t have that much reason to complain about her.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too
     
    There were, of course, Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system (one of the building blocs), but there were also a lot of anti-Soviet Ukrainians, some of the best ever. We are rallying around their ideals now and that's what matters.

    And that was just a lyrical sidestep. The point is that what matters is Russia's intentions today. That's what it's about.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @AP
    @German_reader


    (yeah, right, because Ukraine was “occupied” in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too)
     
    There was a Soviet Republic in Kharkiv, by and for the ethnic Russian factory workers there, but otherwise there wasn't much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders. There were nearly as many Latvians among Bolsheviks as there were Ukrainians, and of course no significant Bolshevik Ukrainian military units.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Db7LBKNU0AA9HT9.jpg

    The most that can be said is that some Ukrainians thought the Reds were a lesser evil than the Whites (they were wrong) so they formed temporary alliances with them. The Ukrainian anarchist Makhno did so against Wrangel, but was then bitterly fighting against the Bolsheviks until 1921.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader

  1084. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ....It was a complicated situation, that I’m still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.
     
    Sure. Many of us feel the same way about this Donbas-Russia-Ukraine imbroglio. It is complicated, but to consider it in a vacuum is deceptive.

    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine. Then none of this bloody nonsense would be taking place. Nato aggression was not criticized by the same media in the West that now goes nuts about Russia - when the bombing was going on there was complete support. Later, when it didn't matter, they grudgingly said "mistakes were made".

    I was coming of age when the first Nato bombing took place in Serbia, then came Iraq and the others. Unlike in the West we saw very detailed news about the blown up passenger trains, media outlets and children in Serbia - worse than what we see today in Ukraine, more indiscriminate and intentional. We saw the lying by the West, lying so massive that even today you yourself only recall "butchery" by one side.

    Wars are always complicated, this one is too.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine.

    Russia would’ve never accepted NATO in Ukraine in any form because they see it as an infringement on their culture first and foremost. They’re just not comfortable with it, period.

    Maybe, instead of bringing up Serbia, one might try arguing in the other direction. Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe. They all separate and nobody bothers each other neither physically nor verbally. It would be better than this eternal whataboutism (even if not realistic).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    What-aboutism is a fake concept: it is either everywhere or nowhere, it is a very transparent attempt to control what is allowed. As you can see here anything can be called what-aboutism, it means nothing. It was invented by the Western media managers after NATO attacks on all the countries I have listed in order not to allow those crimes into any discussion. It is completely fake.


    Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe.
     
    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much. We see Russia as any other great power and appreciate that Russia can be useful against domination by others: Germany, EU, Turkey, even out of control Poland.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs... we don't share your pathological hatred of Russia. We cannot create a common civilization space if you don't sober up from the hatred. You also dislike our indifference of your bloody exaggerations. Often you are unable to control the worst impulses in your societies. We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

  1085. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    That’s simply not true.
     
    It is, there are many examples in your own comments, e. g. I remember you waxing lyrically about some alleged Ukrainian-Latvian brotherhood because of shared experiences in the Gulag (yeah, right, because Ukraine was "occupied" in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn't been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too).

    And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.
     
    Merkel is a stupid bitch who should be hanged for having basically signed Germany's death warrant, but in relations to Russia her only real mistake was to increase the energy dependence on Russia (for which Germany will pay dearly). She was right in 2008 about Ukrainian NATO membership, and without the Minsk agreements Russia would probably already have invaded in 2014/15 and Ukraine would have folded like a house of cards. EE's don't have that much reason to complain about her.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too

    There were, of course, Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system (one of the building blocs), but there were also a lot of anti-Soviet Ukrainians, some of the best ever. We are rallying around their ideals now and that’s what matters.

    And that was just a lyrical sidestep. The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today. That’s what it’s about.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today.
     
    I don't believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland, and I don't believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either, especially after all the support that's been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine...if Russia directly invaded NATO territory and killed or captured the Western tripwire forces in the Baltic states, what do you think would be the reaction? Sure, deterrence needs to be strengthened, that is a legitimate concern, but I feel there's also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Mikel, @songbird

  1086. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    I'd prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits, given that society is lurching towards idiocracy. The biggest defect of the 20th century has been the elevation of the jock over the nerd. Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence and being superreligious is a winning combination. Modernity is overrated and atheism is for losers. My only wish would be greater artisanal diversity in clothing choices.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @German_reader, @songbird

    Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence

    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives, and some say that is the secret of their success.

    I’d prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits

    What are your ideas along this line?

    When I think “intellectual pursuits”, I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird


    the deification of education
     
    Well, there is a lot of education and precious little intellectual pursuit out there, so I think you and Thulean are on the same page. Learning critical thinking and the ability to digest and apply knowledge cracks opens pretty much all doors of intellectual pursuits.

    Of course, teaching the hoi polloi critical thinking is probably never going to be high on the list of our betters, so it's best to take matters into your own hands.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives
     
    All the Jewish geniuses that burst onto the scene in the 19th and 20th centuries were descendant from Haredi families at some point. This stereotype is spread by malicious Reform Jews who have given up their identities.

    Besides, continuity will ensure that the Haredis will get the last laugh. Who's the dumb one of the two groups?


    When I think “intellectual pursuits”, I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.
     
    "Practical experience" will change depending on the circumstances and even on personal preferences. It's a useless metric. It's better to inculcate a culture of educating oneself, whatever that topic may be. To elevate those who read the most to the highest status position in society.

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym, which is our current cultural zeitgeist.

    Also, your point about fertility cannot be taken seriously given the population group we're talking about (Haredim).

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Wielgus
    @songbird

    A work colleague had a girl friend who was Jewish or half-Jewish. I met her a couple of times, quite secularised. I asked my colleague what she thought of the Haredi Jews in say, Stamford Hill. He said she thought they were "inbred".

    Replies: @songbird

  1087. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa
    @A123

    No worries, I find it all mildly amusing. Sher Singh's over the top, extravagant insults are always worth a laugh...


    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    I mean...come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.

    Replies: @A123, @sher singh

    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.

    I mean…come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.

    I was visualizing 1,000 copies of Halle Berry at her prime.

    PEACE 😇

     

    [MORE]

    Death by “Snu Snu”

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    IMO, Rashida Jones was the better-looking mulatta.

  1088. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too
     
    There were, of course, Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system (one of the building blocs), but there were also a lot of anti-Soviet Ukrainians, some of the best ever. We are rallying around their ideals now and that's what matters.

    And that was just a lyrical sidestep. The point is that what matters is Russia's intentions today. That's what it's about.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today.

    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland, and I don’t believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either, especially after all the support that’s been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine…if Russia directly invaded NATO territory and killed or captured the Western tripwire forces in the Baltic states, what do you think would be the reaction? Sure, deterrence needs to be strengthened, that is a legitimate concern, but I feel there’s also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland
     
    No, but any move by Russia westwards is uncomfortable for Poland. It doesn't necessarily have to be a full on invasion for the security situation to be challenged in ways that are not acceptable. We do not wait until the invasion is already happening. Poland will now raise its forces to 250K from what I understand.

    and I don’t believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either
     
    There is insider info from the Kremlin that this was considered (beyond long term plans). Again, it doesn't mean it would've happened. Our men are brave and capable, but, let me just say, without going into detail, had a similar invasion happened into the Baltic States instead of Ukraine, the Ukrainian soldiers would not have been there to take care of it.

    especially after all the support that’s been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine…
     
    Post factum...


    but I feel there’s also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.
     
    Such as? Not sure I'm following.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Wokechoke
    @German_reader

    The Russians wouldn't want to trigger a nuclear exchange.

    They must be looking at how weak NATO is though. We threw everything at the Russians and they kept going and savaged the Ukies. I'd go for Warsaw given what I've seen of the Wunderwaffe.

    , @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland
     
    Not until to some years ago but I keep seeing Russians on Telegram channels and elsewhere talk about marching to Warsaw now. Not that they think Poland belongs to them or anything like that, I'm pretty sure it's just out of spite after seeing so much Polish animosity. Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @songbird
    @German_reader

    BTW, I took your advice and contacted the Irish placename quongos.

    My initial message was a feeler, to see if they were interested in what I considered my most significant theory. I was surprised how quickly my message was forwarded to an academic. There was a weird kind of pseudo-nationalist feel to everything because there were a lot of Irish words thrown around, and even the most native form of the name I employed was used.

    Tried to adduce about four theories regarding placenames:

    I. that I had found the original name of an inauguration hill
    II. that the current name was probably related to the execution of the last chief
    III. That I had identified an annalistic clue about the residence of a chief who lived in the 1400s, as directly referring to a specific castle, the location of which is known, though it was demolished in the 1930s.

    IV. That the next chief was probably his son, based on a variety of circumstantial clues, and that anyways I had identified his castle as being the same castle, as adduced by it being the address of his son (not chief, but likely the tannist, murdered at the hill, with his brother - the brother was my putative ancestor), and since, it was passed on through the line of his granddaughter (also my putative ancestor), after a total of four of his sons were killed, and his male line probably died out. (with the broader implication in this pattern using genealogy being it was the castle of the clan's chiefs for the entire 15th century and a bit beyond. The father of the first chief mentioned was said to have lived there too, according to local tradition.

    He was nice enough in his reply to me, but basically unwilling to consider any historical dimensions, which greatly disappointed me. In a way I can understand it - it is hard to master two difficult subjects. But, in another way, it seems very foolhardy, like shooting yourself in the foot, but also rather wan and spiritless. IMO, the whole point should be to connect placenames to history, when possible.

    Anyway, I thought I still made some pretty good arguments, purely when considering lexicographical dimensions, though I am not really knowledgeable about the science or my ancestral tongue.

    In particular, I still had what I considered a pretty good argument for #1, even though the historical aspects of it, which strengthened it greatly, were weirdly not considered, and it was pure lexicography.

    Found one instance of what appeared to be a corrupt form of my exact early 16th-century term, adduced in the 1800s, for the place. (he was not greatly impressed as it was recorded only once) What is more, another hill with the same name as I proposed, had more or less the exact corruption adduced, at some other time. The meaning of the other hill's name appeared significant to me, in that it was easy to associate it, by theory, with my proposed function for it - I suggested it was another inauguration hill.

    But we battled on lexicography, and he spoke about patterns of changes. Neither of us had seen the original document, for my early 16th century reference. People writing about it thought that it ended in -RC, but my own interpretation, based on the similarity to the other hill, and the fact that one writer had noted it was in a bad hand and difficult to read was that it ended in -RE, more or less duplicating the spelling of the other hill. He said that the corruption was improbable, if it ended in -RC (though no other such placename exists, with that full name, and he did not claim any theory of what it could mean when spelled that way), which he seemed to think it did (as that is what authors writing about it had said), but he allowed that according to such rules as they used, the corruption could be of my own term, if it ended in -RE.

    I also brought up how difficult it was usually to read old handwriting when doing genealogy, and how that had influenced my theory. (Though I am not sure if it even used lowercase letters. Said to be written in an "English hand", which I thought meant that it had a similar script to what would be considered English writing (and I am not familiar with period writing). Was in Latin, and the name I have heard offered as the scribe seems to have been Irish)

    In my historical argument, I mentioned how one of the men killed had probably been the tanist (based on a variety of clues). That some historian wrote that ecclesiastics were intimately familiar with inauguration places in Ireland, as all ranks of them attended and took part in the ceremonies, and that an abbey founded by the clan would be very familiar with the inauguration hill, but were probably unlikely to just name some random hill.

    On another point, in a different argument, I thought I had him dead to rights. I had found that a Protestant family living at the castle in the 1800s had used the English translation of the same word in my annalistic reference for the same castle, which seems to have been recorded once or twice in a similar Irish form, roughly the same place, and with a term, "rock", that could be thought of as often signifying a castle.

    That was in my last message anyway, but I don't think anything will come of it.

    At some point, I may try to contact the local historical society with my theories. I have also thought of trying to contact Trinity College, to get someone to look at the old document. But I don't think I will undertake either project for a while. I dropped a subtle hint that my interlocutor should try to look at the original document. (Figuring his qualifications and residence would make it easy). But I stress that I don't anticipate that anything will come of it, and would be much surprised, if it did.

    Replies: @German_reader

  1089. @Dmitry
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality... CD’s? ’85
     
    Hi-fi was already quite mature technologically in the 1960s/1970s, so today you could build a nice sounding hi-fi using the vintage (i.e. 1960s-) components. You could build a hi-fi with 1960s equipment, and it could sound multiple times better than speakers most young people are listening today from (Amazon Alexa?)

    In particular, with the development of the CD by Sony engineers from the late 1970s, the 1982 introduced encoding of 44100 samples/second * 16 bits/sample, is more information than can be audibly perceived. . Engineers can need higher values so they have the headroom when processing the music. There isn't encoding improvement beyond this in the final product. This is a technological maturity in the encoding.

    Still, it is easier and cheaper nowadays for hi-fi fans, to attain good results with their hi-fi. Prices for amplification have been falling.

    In terms of speakers, there is an easy improvement of using active DSP crossovers. (Although some of hi-fi puritans will be angry about this method, as you are adding another conversion from digital to analogue to digital to analogue).

    Another change of recent years, are the availability of the room correction software like the "dirac live".

    At the same time that price for good hi-fi has been falling, the young people today, are increasingly not interested in hi-fi.


    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100’s of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

     

    The situation with violins is interesting, where the best instruments cannot be produced anymore. The ability for producing the world's best violins, has been lost since 18th century Italy. While with other musical instruments, this is usually not the situation.

    But if you think about the overall improvements for music fans. There is the improvement in e,g, acoustics engineering. There were good and bad concert halls in the 19th century, but you wouldn't easily control and predict what will sound good. There were often surprises, when the first music is played, in the new hall. Even in the 20th century, sometimes people were very disappointed about a new hall, after the first concert, as it could sound much worse than you had hoped for.

    But today, it became at least majority science and they can reliably build a good sounding concert hall.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    The situation with violins is interesting, where the best instruments cannot be produced anymore. The ability for producing the world’s best violins, has been lost since 18th century Italy.

    This is not how that is.

    There were other famous violin luthiers but their workshops were smaller, so their violins are less known but not less appreciated.

    The reason an old violin sounds better is the wood – as it ages it produces more overtones.

  1090. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today.
     
    I don't believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland, and I don't believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either, especially after all the support that's been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine...if Russia directly invaded NATO territory and killed or captured the Western tripwire forces in the Baltic states, what do you think would be the reaction? Sure, deterrence needs to be strengthened, that is a legitimate concern, but I feel there's also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Mikel, @songbird

    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland

    No, but any move by Russia westwards is uncomfortable for Poland. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a full on invasion for the security situation to be challenged in ways that are not acceptable. We do not wait until the invasion is already happening. Poland will now raise its forces to 250K from what I understand.

    and I don’t believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either

    There is insider info from the Kremlin that this was considered (beyond long term plans). Again, it doesn’t mean it would’ve happened. Our men are brave and capable, but, let me just say, without going into detail, had a similar invasion happened into the Baltic States instead of Ukraine, the Ukrainian soldiers would not have been there to take care of it.

    especially after all the support that’s been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine…

    Post factum…

    but I feel there’s also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    Such as? Not sure I’m following.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    Such as? Not sure I’m following.
     
    Just read AP's comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I've seen similar talking points elsewhere). Though much of the reaction to Russia's invasion is of course quite visceral and not rooted in such calculations.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.
     
    While I'm in favour of sending them, thanking me for it is a bit silly, it's not like I have any influence on such decisions, and I don't represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @Dmitry

  1091. @German_reader
    @LatW


    The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today.
     
    I don't believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland, and I don't believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either, especially after all the support that's been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine...if Russia directly invaded NATO territory and killed or captured the Western tripwire forces in the Baltic states, what do you think would be the reaction? Sure, deterrence needs to be strengthened, that is a legitimate concern, but I feel there's also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Mikel, @songbird

    The Russians wouldn’t want to trigger a nuclear exchange.

    They must be looking at how weak NATO is though. We threw everything at the Russians and they kept going and savaged the Ukies. I’d go for Warsaw given what I’ve seen of the Wunderwaffe.

    • LOL: sudden death
  1092. @Beckow
    @Mr. Hack


    ....It was a complicated situation, that I’m still not able to offer a definitive opinion about.
     
    Sure. Many of us feel the same way about this Donbas-Russia-Ukraine imbroglio. It is complicated, but to consider it in a vacuum is deceptive.

    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine. Then none of this bloody nonsense would be taking place. Nato aggression was not criticized by the same media in the West that now goes nuts about Russia - when the bombing was going on there was complete support. Later, when it didn't matter, they grudgingly said "mistakes were made".

    I was coming of age when the first Nato bombing took place in Serbia, then came Iraq and the others. Unlike in the West we saw very detailed news about the blown up passenger trains, media outlets and children in Serbia - worse than what we see today in Ukraine, more indiscriminate and intentional. We saw the lying by the West, lying so massive that even today you yourself only recall "butchery" by one side.

    Wars are always complicated, this one is too.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke

    NATO is administered by a modern version of Quisling. An antiMoscow Scandinavian. I’m not saying Quisling was wrong at the time but he was basically just like Stoltenberg. It’s uncanny.

  1093. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland
     
    No, but any move by Russia westwards is uncomfortable for Poland. It doesn't necessarily have to be a full on invasion for the security situation to be challenged in ways that are not acceptable. We do not wait until the invasion is already happening. Poland will now raise its forces to 250K from what I understand.

    and I don’t believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either
     
    There is insider info from the Kremlin that this was considered (beyond long term plans). Again, it doesn't mean it would've happened. Our men are brave and capable, but, let me just say, without going into detail, had a similar invasion happened into the Baltic States instead of Ukraine, the Ukrainian soldiers would not have been there to take care of it.

    especially after all the support that’s been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine…
     
    Post factum...


    but I feel there’s also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.
     
    Such as? Not sure I'm following.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Such as? Not sure I’m following.

    Just read AP’s comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I’ve seen similar talking points elsewhere). Though much of the reaction to Russia’s invasion is of course quite visceral and not rooted in such calculations.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.

    While I’m in favour of sending them, thanking me for it is a bit silly, it’s not like I have any influence on such decisions, and I don’t represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    Just read AP’s comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia)
     
    Well, his insights are sometimes imbued with some old school PLC sentiments (which aren't bad per se), mixed in with what might seem like an American outlook. There would have to be a modern version of that and a lot of new things could come into play.

    Under the right conditions such a bloc could be used against the "woke" (not a given but could be). Of course, there is risk and it's complicated now under the current arrangement (Poland has responsibilities towards the EU).

    and I don’t represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.
     
    I know, I know... :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJzZSVRpbU
    , @AP
    @German_reader


    Just read AP’s comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I’ve seen similar talking points elsewhere).
     
    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine. My Polish IRL friends are not weird Unz writers/commenters.

    If you'll note, my criticism of modern German actions has ceased.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    read AP’s comments
     
    Lol how would this be an argument, using representative samples? AP's from New England. He's probably become almost like a white person, with an anglosaxon lifestyle. Neither Obama's view would be representative of the Kenyan slums, between driving his daughters to Harvard University. Having blood from a third world country is not conveying viewpoint and difficult life experiences of the local population that actually has to live there.

    super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc
     
    Poles were not usually fans of Ukraine, at least before this year. Of course, after this year, everyone in developed countries loves Ukraine. Ukraine became the world's most fashionable country. Not just Poland, wants to be friends with Ukraine.

    With its current government, in normal year, Poland should manage to annoy all its neighbors in Europe for domestic consumption. This year, Europe and America will be politically converging more with Poland, as Poland always hates Russia, and since February other European countries are following there. I guess Poland has just become more mainstream with the Europeans for a short time. After the war ends, you can predict their government will find excuses to argue with neighbors again, often in something connected with the Second World War.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

  1094. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Here Be Dragon

    The pertinent science has not changed since the amplifier was made modern so there is no reason a stereo rig from 1980 cannot be of upmost quality if it was engineered and manufactured with care. When did they start making mass commercial CD's? '85?

    Stradivarius violins cannot be surpassed (built 100's of years ago) nor can cathedral stained glass windows be equaled (built a thousand years ago).

    Transhumanist whackos are in for a big surprise when their physicians inform them they need to get their affairs in order.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FM-2030

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Triteleia Laxa, @Dmitry, @Here Be Dragon

    No, actually almost anything manufactured in the eighties is of superior quality, compared to what is made now.

    Not only the components were better, but it also was for the most part hand-wired. Nowadays most gear is made with machines, and with inferiour components.

    The best equipment is in fact that made in the 60’s and 70’s, because it was not only hand-wired but as well using valves, unlike the solid state gear made today.

    You can google a valve amplifier, some are still being made, and see how much more expensive it is. But it’s worth it.

    Trust me on this one.

  1095. @German_reader
    Germany and Netherlands will send another six Panzerhaubitzen 2000 to Ukraine (three from each country), so there'll be 18 of them, enough for an artillery batallion:
    https://www.n-tv.de/politik/Ukraine-erhaelt-weitere-Panzerhaubitzen-2000-article23428993.html
    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces. But that's probably the absolute limit of what's possible in this regard from Western European NATO countries.

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @Wokechoke

    NATO is looking cleaned out.

  1096. LatW says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    Such as? Not sure I’m following.
     
    Just read AP's comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I've seen similar talking points elsewhere). Though much of the reaction to Russia's invasion is of course quite visceral and not rooted in such calculations.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.
     
    While I'm in favour of sending them, thanking me for it is a bit silly, it's not like I have any influence on such decisions, and I don't represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @Dmitry

    Just read AP’s comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia)

    Well, his insights are sometimes imbued with some old school PLC sentiments (which aren’t bad per se), mixed in with what might seem like an American outlook. There would have to be a modern version of that and a lot of new things could come into play.

    Under the right conditions such a bloc could be used against the “woke” (not a given but could be). Of course, there is risk and it’s complicated now under the current arrangement (Poland has responsibilities towards the EU).

    and I don’t represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.

    I know, I know… 🙂

  1097. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    The average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.
     
    No.

    After finishing the school 54 percent of the Russians will go on to study at the universities and will become smarter, whereas only 35 percent of the Americans will. The average IQ of the college students is 115.

    Most white Americans will degenerate, become fat and stupid, and most ethnic Russians will become a lot more intelligent.


    The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields.
     
    They would hire peasants to work in the fields, it's impossible to run a farm and also work in the fields. Running a farm is not a hard work but it's a full time occupation. A farm is not a small one house enterprise.

    Every peasant, rich or poor, had his farm taken from him. Perhaps in Russia itself where most peasants still lived on communes this wasn’t a big deal, but in Ukraine where most farmers were landowners this amounted to forced theft of their lands and a return to the serfdom.
     
    That was a stupid and wrong decision to take their land and not compensate it. That led to the loss of an entire class of people, who knew how to run a farm; it's impossible to learn it except for on practice.

    A loss of competence in that field is being felt in Russia right now.

    A lot better solution would have been to give them larger pieces of land, in the Far East or in the South Ural, Eastern Siberia, etc. Let them move there, and build new farms. But at the time it must have looked like the old school agriculture was obsolete, with the new machines and technologies, fertilizers, etc.

    Farmers were seen as an obstacle to progress.


    Tax evasion as NEP ended was theft from peasants by the predatory state.
     
    That was later. We are talking about 1922 here.

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned.
     
    That is, in other words, that person was given a million dollar in real estate, taken from the state budget – a corrupt son of a bitch, in other words. Plain and simple.

    Pretty much every rich person in Russia has been involved with mass theft and/or murder, but there exist people who live comfortable lives who were not such.
     
    Of course, those who were given didn't steal. Excellent logic, professor.

    They had been committed Bolsheviks, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs.
     
    Yes sure. A very evil task, especially considering what these Sharikovs started doing – sending the first man into space, building the first supersonic airliner, reaching Mars, the first in the world, building the first unmanned space shuttle, etc.

    Your wonderful elites are only capable of sitting on their fat ass, on their Chesterfield sofas, sniffing their own farts, while these so called Sharikovs are building hypersonic missiles, pushing the boundaries, being the best – as in Russia, so in China.

    Socialism worked.

    And your country is in deep shit, living in debt, and your high salary is fake. You are not really making this money; if you were paid according to what you in reality produce you would be living in a two bedroom apartment in Brooklyn, and not in a big house. Your country is a bubble, that will soon blow up.

    Then you will see, who the real Sharikov is.

    Replies: @AP

    “The average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher.”

    No.

    After finishing the school 54 percent of the Russians will go on to study at the universities and will become smarter, whereas only 35 percent of the Americans will.

    The higher the percentage of people in university, the lower the average IQ of university students. Having a large number of people in universities simply means that standards are lowered to allow more people in. Russia has an inflated number of people with tertiary education in part because this is a way of avoiding military service, right?

    A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.

    “The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields.”

    They would hire peasants to work in the fields, it’s impossible to run a farm and also work in the fields. Running a farm is not a hard work but it’s a full time occupation. A farm is not a small one house enterprise.

    I heard differently, from the child of a wealthy farmer. The kids would still have to watch the livestock in the summer, the father would also engage in farmwork although he would hire helpers too.

    We have a farmer here, Barbarossa. Does he do no work himself?

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned.

    That is, in other words, that person was given a million dollar in real estate, taken from the state budget

    When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky – people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.

    “They had been committed Bolsheviks, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs.”

    Yes sure. A very evil task, especially considering what these Sharikovs started doing – sending the first man into space, building the first supersonic airliner, reaching Mars, the first in the world, building the first unmanned space shuttle, etc.

    Russia was bound to be the world’s first superpower, but had to settle for a shabby second place for a few decades before sinking even further.

    As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods. In addition to chasing away men such as Sikorsky (not compatible with a land of Sharikovs, he had to go), here is an example of the type of brutal waste that negatively affected Soviet technological progress:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev#Imprisonment

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    Korolev was arrested by the NKVD on 27 June 1938 after being accused of deliberately slowing the work of the research institute by Ivan Kleymenov, Georgy Langemak, leaders of the institute who were executed in January,[19] and Valentin Glushko, who was arrested in March.[20] He was tortured in the Lubyanka prison to extract a confession during the Great Purge, and was tried and sentenced to death as the purge was waning;[21] Glushko and Korolev survived. Glushko and Korolev had reportedly been denounced by Andrei Kostikov, who became the head of RNII after its leadership was arrested. The rocket program fell far behind the rapid progress taking place in Nazi Germany. Kostikov was ousted a few years later over accusations of budget irregularities.[16]: 17  It should be mentioned that it was under the leadership of Kostikov that the Katyusha rocket launcher was adopted by the army and launched into a large series in 1941. According to another version, Kostikov was removed from office for failing to complete the task of designing a rocket-powered interceptor aircraft in 1944. Most likely, the reason for Korolev’s arrest was technical disagreements between specialists of the rocket Institute. The management of the institute was headed by specialists who gave priority to work on the topic of multiple rocket launchers, not ballistic missiles. For the 1930s, their opinion was generally justified. But their assessments served as a reason for repression, which affected Korolev.

    Korolev was sent to prison, where he wrote many appeals to the authorities, including Stalin himself. Following the fall of NKVD head Nikolai Yezhov, the new chief Lavrenti Beria chose to retry Korolev on reduced charges in 1939; but by that time Korolev was on his way from prison to a Gulag camp in the far east of Siberia, where he spent several months in a gold mine in the Kolyma area before word reached him of his retrial. Work camp conditions of inadequate food, shelter, and clothing killed thousands of prisoners each month.[14] Korolev sustained injuries, including possibly a heart attack[22] and lost most of his teeth from scurvy before being returned to Moscow in late 1939.[21] When he reached Moscow, Korolev’s sentence was reduced to eight years[23] to be served in a sharashka penitentiary for intellectuals and the educated.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @AP

    Imagine a middle level office worker at the Academy of Sciences had a nice flat overlooking the river near Gorky Park. (Her late husband was an architect). Soon after she was given the flat, big men with fierce dogs started knocking on the door offering to buy the flat for money which could buy a large Kruschaevsky in Lybertsky. This is how property fortunes were made.

  1098. @AP
    @216


    You can’t build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door.
     
    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different, Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism. Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction. The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.

    These “nationalisms” are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride
     
    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way. I did hear Catalan nationalism is like that though.

    The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%
     
    That's still pretty low. Ukraine has more significant problems at the moment.

    Replies: @216, @Sean, @Gerard1234

    The borders between Russia and Ukraine were never made thinking they would be anything but internal regional ones rather than international between two separate countries, Ukraine did not enter the USSR with Crimea, so it whether it ought to have the right to leave with it (and the formerly Polish territories) was not so obvious. Because the independent Ukraine’s territorial status quo had not come about by force it was unstable; especially for a country dubbed the ‘Heartland’ key to world domination by the best known geopolitical theory of them all: Mackinder’s.

  1099. @German_reader
    @LatW


    The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today.
     
    I don't believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland, and I don't believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either, especially after all the support that's been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine...if Russia directly invaded NATO territory and killed or captured the Western tripwire forces in the Baltic states, what do you think would be the reaction? Sure, deterrence needs to be strengthened, that is a legitimate concern, but I feel there's also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Mikel, @songbird

    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland

    Not until to some years ago but I keep seeing Russians on Telegram channels and elsewhere talk about marching to Warsaw now. Not that they think Poland belongs to them or anything like that, I’m pretty sure it’s just out of spite after seeing so much Polish animosity. Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.
     
    I don't think that's entirely fair.
    If Putin really expected Ukraine to become the bloody meatgrinder that it now is, there would have been far more extensive preparations for a real war, rather than the disastrously failed attempt to decapitate Zelensky's government on the cheap. I'm extremely doubtful Putin (or anyone else in the Kremlin) would have embarked on this adventure had they suspected even a 5th the level of Ukrainian resistance they're now facing. I do think Russia will eventually 'win' over Ukraine, after totally and absolutely failing all political objectives, but it's hard for me to think of a single more phyrric victory in modern times (*cough Germany).

    I don't think this can be construed as a Russophile argument either, since really, as the Russian government revealing itself to be grossly misinformed and incompetent is rather worse than being seen as just malicious. Now both Russia and Ukraine are dragging each other down to the abyss, taking the European economy (who have been quite eager to destroy themselves anyway) down with them. China's revanchist plans have been totally dashed, and it's likely the Caucasus and Middle-East will be on fire again soon. Not to mention another migrant crisis on its way with the collapse in wheat exports.

    It's worth noting that the only country that will unambigiously benefit from virtually all of this is the US. It even has me suspect that American strategy isn't nearly as stupid as it so often appears. I can't see a single foreseeable 'victory' scenario that either Russians or any European country could celebrate.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LondonBob

  1100. AP says:
    @Here Be Dragon
    @AP


    An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.
     
    We can discuss the legal or illegal aspect of the Maidan coup. You will have to agree that it was illegal, and then we can discuss whether there was an invasion. You will have to agree that there wasn't. So let us not waste our time.

    Ukraine was offered a solution, it flushed it down the toilet.

    Now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.
     
    Excellent consequences for the Russian side. Things are getting better and better. Ukraine is losing its sovereign status, on the other hand. Ukraine will lose a large part of its land as well.

    Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host.
     
    That's insignificant. On their own the Ukrainians were not capable of that. For their participation, the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories. That's a good deal for the Ukrainian peasant lowlife.

    Furthermore, that final liberation was made possible by Ukrainians and Poles having kept the Turks and Tatars in check for a few preceding centuries.
     
    The Tatars burnt Moscow in the late 16th century.

    Here is an incomplete list of Tatar invasions.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Crimean_Wars#Incomplete_list_of_Tatar_raids

    The Ukrainians are incapable of organized resistance. This primitive tribe of peasant alcoholics is good for nothing.

    The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also.
     
    That refers to a time before the industrialization, there were no proles, let alone illiterate ones. The Ukrainians, on the other hand, were one hundred percent illiterate. A tribe of humanoid earth worms.

    And all were alcoholics.

    But this was not the case. Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine, the Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’
     
    Yes, and once there was a Chimpanzee called Consul. A lot of people called him Consul. That doesn't mean he was one.

    https://i.postimg.cc/0j1P0fCc/Consul.jpg

    But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.
     
    One cannot gift what one doesn't have.

    Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.
     
    The loser cannot force the winner.

    They did so for practical reasons. Ukraine was hard to subdue, they allowed the German-supported borders to stand.
     
    No it was done with the purpose of dividing the Empire into a number of states, which Stalin didn't let happen.

    Your Bolshevik plan didn't work, until the Yeltsin came. Now the Russians are correcting that historical error, and the Ukrainians will learn their place.

    The entire Ukrainian language, and culture, composed of nothing but a third rate literature and peasant songs, was forced upon the population during the Bolshevik Ukrainization period. All of the natural Russian elites were stripped of their positions, and replaced with illiterate scum from the surrounding villages.

    The result of that is what we are having now.

    Replies: @AP

    “An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality.”

    We can discuss the legal or illegal aspect of the Maidan coup. You will have to agree that it was illegal

    The government itself was illegal, the president himself a lawbreaker who gained control of parliament (and thus, total control of the country) through an illegal coup.

    Now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    Excellent consequences for the Russian side. Things are getting better and better.

    Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.

    Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host.

    That’s insignificant. On their own the Ukrainians were not capable of that.

    And Russians didn’t do it without them.

    For their participation, the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories.

    Good that you acknowledge that this was an exchange for services, not a gift. Even you are capable of progress.

    “The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also.”

    That refers to a time before the industrialization, there were no proles,

    In that case, the number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization. Ukrainian farmers preferred to move to the far east and get farmland, rather than work in some factory in Kharkiv.

    The Ukrainians, on the other hand, were one hundred percent illiterate.

    Sharikov comes out. Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.

    A tribe of humanoid earth worms.

    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is.

    “But this was not the case. Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine, the Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’”

    Yes, and once there was a Chimpanzee called Consul. A lot of people called him Consul. That doesn’t mean he was one.

    So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine.

    You claim that he was not one despite that recognition, but that is just the “idea” of a poorly educated provincial Soviet.

    But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    One cannot gift what one doesn’t have.

    The Germans had it when they gifted it. Do you know the chronology of World War I?

    Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    The loser cannot force the winner.

    Do you know basic history, poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov?

    Lenin accepted defeat and was forced by the victorious Germans to recognize Ukraine within more or less the current borders, minus Crimea.

    Now the Russians are correcting that historical error, and the Ukrainians will learn their place.

    Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield. The restoration of the natural order and undoing of Khmelnytsky’s vile treason.

    https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Orsha

    The Battle of Orsha was fought on 8 September 1514, between the allied forces of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland, under the command of Hetman Konstanty Ostrogski, and the army of Grand Duchy of Moscow under Konyushy Ivan Chelyadnin and Kniaz Mikhail Golitsin.

    According to Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii by Sigismund von Herberstein, the primary source for the information on the battle, the much smaller army of Poland–Lithuania (under 30,000 men) defeated the 80,000 Russian soldiers, capturing their camp and commander. These numbers and proportions have been disputed by modern historians.

    The entire Ukrainian language, and culture, composed of nothing but a third rate literature and peasant songs

    Poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov has even more ideas, how cute. Bark some more.

    was forced upon the population during the Bolshevik Ukrainization period

    More display of poor education and ignorance.

    According to 1897 census far more people spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian than after Soviet rule. So-called Ukrainianization simply involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival. It was no more “forced” than Bohemian peasants moving to Prague and learning Czech rather than German, turning that formerly German-speaking city into a Czech-speaking city.

    What was forced, was the reversal of those policies and the Russification of the 1930s. It was accompanied by the mass murder of teachers and mass starvation of the peasants. A lot of Russian-speaking Sharikovs were created.

    It is the Russian-speaking nature of many Ukrainians that was the product of Soviet social experimentation. This will be undone.

    All of the natural Russian elites were stripped of their positions

    They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.

    and replaced with illiterate scum from the surrounding villages

    For the first decades, the Communist party in Ukraine consisted of ethnic Russians and Jews, almost no Ukrainians from surrounding villages.

    • Replies: @Here Be Dragon
    @AP

    Will reply on the new page.

  1101. @German_reader
    @LatW


    The point is that what matters is Russia’s intentions today.
     
    I don't believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland, and I don't believe there is really one of an invasion of the Baltic states either, especially after all the support that's been given from NATO countries even to a non-member like Ukraine...if Russia directly invaded NATO territory and killed or captured the Western tripwire forces in the Baltic states, what do you think would be the reaction? Sure, deterrence needs to be strengthened, that is a legitimate concern, but I feel there's also an element of Balts and Poles (the latter even more so) exaggerating their security concerns to pursue other objectives.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wokechoke, @Mikel, @songbird

    BTW, I took your advice

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    and contacted the Irish placename quongos.

    My initial message was a feeler, to see if they were interested in what I considered my most significant theory. I was surprised how quickly my message was forwarded to an academic. There was a weird kind of pseudo-nationalist feel to everything because there were a lot of Irish words thrown around, and even the most native form of the name I employed was used.

    Tried to adduce about four theories regarding placenames:

    I. that I had found the original name of an inauguration hill
    II. that the current name was probably related to the execution of the last chief
    III. That I had identified an annalistic clue about the residence of a chief who lived in the 1400s, as directly referring to a specific castle, the location of which is known, though it was demolished in the 1930s.

    IV. That the next chief was probably his son, based on a variety of circumstantial clues, and that anyways I had identified his castle as being the same castle, as adduced by it being the address of his son (not chief, but likely the tannist, murdered at the hill, with his brother – the brother was my putative ancestor), and since, it was passed on through the line of his granddaughter (also my putative ancestor), after a total of four of his sons were killed, and his male line probably died out. (with the broader implication in this pattern using genealogy being it was the castle of the clan’s chiefs for the entire 15th century and a bit beyond. The father of the first chief mentioned was said to have lived there too, according to local tradition.

    He was nice enough in his reply to me, but basically unwilling to consider any historical dimensions, which greatly disappointed me. In a way I can understand it – it is hard to master two difficult subjects. But, in another way, it seems very foolhardy, like shooting yourself in the foot, but also rather wan and spiritless. IMO, the whole point should be to connect placenames to history, when possible.

    Anyway, I thought I still made some pretty good arguments, purely when considering lexicographical dimensions, though I am not really knowledgeable about the science or my ancestral tongue.

    In particular, I still had what I considered a pretty good argument for #1, even though the historical aspects of it, which strengthened it greatly, were weirdly not considered, and it was pure lexicography.

    Found one instance of what appeared to be a corrupt form of my exact early 16th-century term, adduced in the 1800s, for the place. (he was not greatly impressed as it was recorded only once) What is more, another hill with the same name as I proposed, had more or less the exact corruption adduced, at some other time. The meaning of the other hill’s name appeared significant to me, in that it was easy to associate it, by theory, with my proposed function for it – I suggested it was another inauguration hill.

    But we battled on lexicography, and he spoke about patterns of changes. Neither of us had seen the original document, for my early 16th century reference. People writing about it thought that it ended in -RC, but my own interpretation, based on the similarity to the other hill, and the fact that one writer had noted it was in a bad hand and difficult to read was that it ended in -RE, more or less duplicating the spelling of the other hill. He said that the corruption was improbable, if it ended in -RC (though no other such placename exists, with that full name, and he did not claim any theory of what it could mean when spelled that way), which he seemed to think it did (as that is what authors writing about it had said), but he allowed that according to such rules as they used, the corruption could be of my own term, if it ended in -RE.

    I also brought up how difficult it was usually to read old handwriting when doing genealogy, and how that had influenced my theory. (Though I am not sure if it even used lowercase letters. Said to be written in an “English hand”, which I thought meant that it had a similar script to what would be considered English writing (and I am not familiar with period writing). Was in Latin, and the name I have heard offered as the scribe seems to have been Irish)

    In my historical argument, I mentioned how one of the men killed had probably been the tanist (based on a variety of clues). That some historian wrote that ecclesiastics were intimately familiar with inauguration places in Ireland, as all ranks of them attended and took part in the ceremonies, and that an abbey founded by the clan would be very familiar with the inauguration hill, but were probably unlikely to just name some random hill.

    On another point, in a different argument, I thought I had him dead to rights. I had found that a Protestant family living at the castle in the 1800s had used the English translation of the same word in my annalistic reference for the same castle, which seems to have been recorded once or twice in a similar Irish form, roughly the same place, and with a term, “rock”, that could be thought of as often signifying a castle.

    That was in my last message anyway, but I don’t think anything will come of it.

    At some point, I may try to contact the local historical society with my theories. I have also thought of trying to contact Trinity College, to get someone to look at the old document. But I don’t think I will undertake either project for a while. I dropped a subtle hint that my interlocutor should try to look at the original document. (Figuring his qualifications and residence would make it easy). But I stress that I don’t anticipate that anything will come of it, and would be much surprised, if it did.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird

    Thanks, that's pretty interesting.


    That I had identified an annalistic clue
     
    Just out of curiosity, do I understand correctly that this is some sort of annalistic source from an abbey connected to the clan?
    Does it provide any details about the murder at that inauguration hill? Sounds gruesome, but also fascinating.

    At some point, I may try to contact the local historical society with my theories. I have also thought of trying to contact Trinity College, to get someone to look at the old document.
     
    Good ideas. I suppose the document you mention is some sort of charter held in an archive? If so, maybe you could order a digital picture of it, normally archives should provide that kind of service. Might of course be difficult to read, so maybe you'd have to contact someone knowledgeable about paleography, but that shouldn't be impossible either.

    Replies: @songbird

  1102. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    Such as? Not sure I’m following.
     
    Just read AP's comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I've seen similar talking points elsewhere). Though much of the reaction to Russia's invasion is of course quite visceral and not rooted in such calculations.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.
     
    While I'm in favour of sending them, thanking me for it is a bit silly, it's not like I have any influence on such decisions, and I don't represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @Dmitry

    Just read AP’s comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I’ve seen similar talking points elsewhere).

    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine. My Polish IRL friends are not weird Unz writers/commenters.

    If you’ll note, my criticism of modern German actions has ceased.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc directed not just against Russia...

    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine
     

    That is the problem: you are sliding into nationalist fanaticism. I have heard it myself from Poles, usually when they are drunk. Russia is too strong, so for all the talk your "bloc" won't ever touch Russia. The other countries in the region may not be that lucky. It is the rebellion of the poor and the angry, we don't care for it. Stop drinking so much.

    If Russia would defeat this insane nationalist 17th century throwback dream, they would do Europe a big favor. Three-seas imperium, or whatever it is you hallucinate about, is neither feasible nor interesting. And since the cheap, plentiful gas is about to stop, Poles will be too busy digging for coal anyway.

    Replies: @AP

  1103. @LatW
    @Beckow


    If Nato had not bombed those countries, showing an aggressive willingness to use force, Russia would most likely not object so strenuously to the Nato enlargement to Ukraine.
     
    Russia would've never accepted NATO in Ukraine in any form because they see it as an infringement on their culture first and foremost. They're just not comfortable with it, period.

    Maybe, instead of bringing up Serbia, one might try arguing in the other direction. Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe. They all separate and nobody bothers each other neither physically nor verbally. It would be better than this eternal whataboutism (even if not realistic).

    Replies: @Beckow

    What-aboutism is a fake concept: it is either everywhere or nowhere, it is a very transparent attempt to control what is allowed. As you can see here anything can be called what-aboutism, it means nothing. It was invented by the Western media managers after NATO attacks on all the countries I have listed in order not to allow those crimes into any discussion. It is completely fake.

    Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe.

    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much. We see Russia as any other great power and appreciate that Russia can be useful against domination by others: Germany, EU, Turkey, even out of control Poland.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs… we don’t share your pathological hatred of Russia. We cannot create a common civilization space if you don’t sober up from the hatred. You also dislike our indifference of your bloody exaggerations. Often you are unable to control the worst impulses in your societies. We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much.
     
    This poll was from 2019, so attitudes are much more negative towards Russia now than on this chart:

    https://i.imgur.com/GmBuUDV.png

    Czechia was closer to Lithuania than to Slovakia. And although Orban personally is not antagonistic towards Russia, his people don't like Russia very much either.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs
     
    See above about Czechs. The others are far from Russia. The further from Russia and therefore the more ignorant about Russia, the less the negative the attitudes towards Russia.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @LatW
    @Beckow


    We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.
     
    You know what, that's fine. It doesn't bother me one bit. My point was more about why be together with those you dislike? From your previous posts it seems that you see only the option of either being with the West or submitting to Russia. It doesn't have to be that way.

    Speaking of Slovakia & Czech Rep, they have actually been helping Ukraine to fix the equipment and military transport. They have been working in the background.

    Replies: @LatW

  1104. @AP
    @German_reader


    Just read AP’s comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I’ve seen similar talking points elsewhere).
     
    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine. My Polish IRL friends are not weird Unz writers/commenters.

    If you'll note, my criticism of modern German actions has ceased.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc directed not just against Russia…

    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine

    That is the problem: you are sliding into nationalist fanaticism. I have heard it myself from Poles, usually when they are drunk. Russia is too strong, so for all the talk your “bloc” won’t ever touch Russia. The other countries in the region may not be that lucky. It is the rebellion of the poor and the angry, we don’t care for it. Stop drinking so much.

    If Russia would defeat this insane nationalist 17th century throwback dream, they would do Europe a big favor. Three-seas imperium, or whatever it is you hallucinate about, is neither feasible nor interesting. And since the cheap, plentiful gas is about to stop, Poles will be too busy digging for coal anyway.

    • Disagree: LatW
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    "…some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc directed not just against Russia…"

    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine

    That is the problem: you are sliding into nationalist fanaticism.
     
    Some sort of confederation between the two nations is not fanatic.

    Russia is too strong, so for all the talk your “bloc” won’t ever touch Russia
     
    Russia is barely handling Ukraine. If Ukraine and Poland were united, Russia would be on its way to a loss now. More often than not, historically Ukraine + Poland has defeated Russia. Russia has trouble handling that combination, it was only able to establish ascendancy in Eastern Europe when the Poles and Ukrainians divided.

    Of course Ukraine + Poland would not attack Russia. But it would keep Russia in its place, for it to focus elsewhere other than westward. That is the key to stability and peace in Eastern Europe.

    If Russia would defeat this insane nationalist 17th century throwback dream, they would do Europe a big favor.
     
    You really hate the idea of a peaceful stable Eastern Europe where Russia doesn't try to expand and foment wars, don't you.

    It is the rebellion of the poor and the angry, we don’t care for it.
     
    You seem pretty angry yourself. Except on Russia's behalf.

    Ukraine is poor, Poland and the Baltics are not.

    Why are wages in Slovakia and Hungary so low?



    https://i.imgur.com/vky9GvV.png
  1105. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Kiev regime has done likewise.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack

    Kyiv regime has not fired any missiles in the Odessa region (well, except some Russian ships – gld they did, if they didn’t Russians would be bombing and attacking Odessa even more). Today, more Russian attempts at giving Ukraine a helping hand by totalling an apartment building, killing 24 and injuring 31, including a pregnant woman and four children. Why can’t the Russian assh_les go back home and help themselves, instead of killing innocent Ukrainian civilians?


    More recent Russian “help” and liberation in Kremenchug:
    Onlookers gather as the shopping centre is engulfed by flames shortly after it was struck by two Russian guided missiles on Monday, while an estimated 1,000 people were inside

  1106. @A123
    @Barbarossa



    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    I mean…come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.
     
    I was visualizing 1,000 copies of Halle Berry at her prime.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ENuX7DOS20E/TxlvLN4ZnxI/AAAAAAAAKAQ/vzAtIJj8KBI/s1600/Halle+Berry+as+Catwoman+%25283%2529.jpg



    Death by "Snu Snu"

    https://i.redd.it/hdcicxk3q4ox.jpg

    Replies: @songbird

    IMO, Rashida Jones was the better-looking mulatta.

  1107. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    BTW, I took your advice and contacted the Irish placename quongos.

    My initial message was a feeler, to see if they were interested in what I considered my most significant theory. I was surprised how quickly my message was forwarded to an academic. There was a weird kind of pseudo-nationalist feel to everything because there were a lot of Irish words thrown around, and even the most native form of the name I employed was used.

    Tried to adduce about four theories regarding placenames:

    I. that I had found the original name of an inauguration hill
    II. that the current name was probably related to the execution of the last chief
    III. That I had identified an annalistic clue about the residence of a chief who lived in the 1400s, as directly referring to a specific castle, the location of which is known, though it was demolished in the 1930s.

    IV. That the next chief was probably his son, based on a variety of circumstantial clues, and that anyways I had identified his castle as being the same castle, as adduced by it being the address of his son (not chief, but likely the tannist, murdered at the hill, with his brother - the brother was my putative ancestor), and since, it was passed on through the line of his granddaughter (also my putative ancestor), after a total of four of his sons were killed, and his male line probably died out. (with the broader implication in this pattern using genealogy being it was the castle of the clan's chiefs for the entire 15th century and a bit beyond. The father of the first chief mentioned was said to have lived there too, according to local tradition.

    He was nice enough in his reply to me, but basically unwilling to consider any historical dimensions, which greatly disappointed me. In a way I can understand it - it is hard to master two difficult subjects. But, in another way, it seems very foolhardy, like shooting yourself in the foot, but also rather wan and spiritless. IMO, the whole point should be to connect placenames to history, when possible.

    Anyway, I thought I still made some pretty good arguments, purely when considering lexicographical dimensions, though I am not really knowledgeable about the science or my ancestral tongue.

    In particular, I still had what I considered a pretty good argument for #1, even though the historical aspects of it, which strengthened it greatly, were weirdly not considered, and it was pure lexicography.

    Found one instance of what appeared to be a corrupt form of my exact early 16th-century term, adduced in the 1800s, for the place. (he was not greatly impressed as it was recorded only once) What is more, another hill with the same name as I proposed, had more or less the exact corruption adduced, at some other time. The meaning of the other hill's name appeared significant to me, in that it was easy to associate it, by theory, with my proposed function for it - I suggested it was another inauguration hill.

    But we battled on lexicography, and he spoke about patterns of changes. Neither of us had seen the original document, for my early 16th century reference. People writing about it thought that it ended in -RC, but my own interpretation, based on the similarity to the other hill, and the fact that one writer had noted it was in a bad hand and difficult to read was that it ended in -RE, more or less duplicating the spelling of the other hill. He said that the corruption was improbable, if it ended in -RC (though no other such placename exists, with that full name, and he did not claim any theory of what it could mean when spelled that way), which he seemed to think it did (as that is what authors writing about it had said), but he allowed that according to such rules as they used, the corruption could be of my own term, if it ended in -RE.

    I also brought up how difficult it was usually to read old handwriting when doing genealogy, and how that had influenced my theory. (Though I am not sure if it even used lowercase letters. Said to be written in an "English hand", which I thought meant that it had a similar script to what would be considered English writing (and I am not familiar with period writing). Was in Latin, and the name I have heard offered as the scribe seems to have been Irish)

    In my historical argument, I mentioned how one of the men killed had probably been the tanist (based on a variety of clues). That some historian wrote that ecclesiastics were intimately familiar with inauguration places in Ireland, as all ranks of them attended and took part in the ceremonies, and that an abbey founded by the clan would be very familiar with the inauguration hill, but were probably unlikely to just name some random hill.

    On another point, in a different argument, I thought I had him dead to rights. I had found that a Protestant family living at the castle in the 1800s had used the English translation of the same word in my annalistic reference for the same castle, which seems to have been recorded once or twice in a similar Irish form, roughly the same place, and with a term, "rock", that could be thought of as often signifying a castle.

    That was in my last message anyway, but I don't think anything will come of it.

    At some point, I may try to contact the local historical society with my theories. I have also thought of trying to contact Trinity College, to get someone to look at the old document. But I don't think I will undertake either project for a while. I dropped a subtle hint that my interlocutor should try to look at the original document. (Figuring his qualifications and residence would make it easy). But I stress that I don't anticipate that anything will come of it, and would be much surprised, if it did.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Thanks, that’s pretty interesting.

    That I had identified an annalistic clue

    Just out of curiosity, do I understand correctly that this is some sort of annalistic source from an abbey connected to the clan?
    Does it provide any details about the murder at that inauguration hill? Sounds gruesome, but also fascinating.

    At some point, I may try to contact the local historical society with my theories. I have also thought of trying to contact Trinity College, to get someone to look at the old document.

    Good ideas. I suppose the document you mention is some sort of charter held in an archive? If so, maybe you could order a digital picture of it, normally archives should provide that kind of service. Might of course be difficult to read, so maybe you’d have to contact someone knowledgeable about paleography, but that shouldn’t be impossible either.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Just out of curiosity, do I understand correctly that this is some sort of annalistic source from an abbey connected to the clan?
     
    The clue about the chief's residence mentioned in the 1400s was a clue from what is considered the most general annals of Ireland, sometimes called the Annals of the Four Masters. It was drawn from a variety of different sources, which I don't believe are clear in every case (and it has been suggested that they disregarded details), but, none of the major annals (including different histories) referenced the events at the inauguration hill.

    Some events of the clan are recorded in another set of general annals, not remotely close to where they happened, but not put into what has formed the more general annals.

    A shortform reference to the inauguration hill was written in some mass calendar of the local abbey. It was written that the two brothers were slain there, and their father's name was mentioned. No other details.

    But I was able to realize that another document, a legal document of the English, also referred to the two brothers. One key to identifying them was Irish naming conventions which often included a patronymic. Another key was understanding how different forms of names were used in Church documents. This did not give the place where they were killed or even the year, but mentioned the names of their killers. Unclear about what original language was used, but the English word was "murdered."

    This legal document had nothing to do with the family directly, but provided some level of details about them, including their address, the wedding gifts one brother received, and an evaluation of his lifestyle by a maid in his castle. My single source for connecting a genealogy to this clan, as it mentioned the castle coming into possession of the granddaughter of the chief, and through her marriage to a Norman family. (My previous source for connecting to the castle was a distant grave that mentioned the place, and had a duel coat of arms on it - haven't been able to trace the other side of it, due to lack of clues)

    The document was about a court case between two branches of the Geraldines, (possibly the most powerful Norman family in Ireland) and which side had a more legitimate claim on the old earl's property. Elderly witnesses were produced some 60 years after events, to testify one branch was illegitimate. One man was close to 100 and couldn't travel, but swore his testimony to a reputable witness.

    This illegitimacy was related to my ancestor's brother. By a certain claim, he had abducted his wife, the daughter of the chief of a powerful neighboring Irish clan. By another claim he had been offered her as part of an alliance, with a lot of marriage goods, and married her with a lot of witnesses, and she had run away (or reading between the lines, possibly been abducted, though her friends were said to disrepute her) by a Norman man, uncle of the Earl. Later executed, along with his other brothers, after the rebellion of their nephew Silken Thomas. But he fathered three sons with her.

    I don't know whether it should be looked at like the Normans cucking the native Irish, but I do wonder if my ancestor and his brother would have been killed, if it hadn't happened, and whether his alliance with her father would have carried the day. (the illegitimates won the case, but they had already been given the property).

    To go into more details, in case you are interested: Some years earlier two of their brothers had been dragged by their uncle (call him uncle 1, that is I have supposed the relationship) and his party out of the local church and slain. Interesting, as their common ancestors were buried in the church. Again, no reference in the general annals.

    (I've wondered quite a bit, if antagonisms like these were common among people with different female descent, different wives and mothers, but the same male descent. No clues as to what was the case here, but, of course, many women died in childbirth.)

    Some years previous to the church killings of the two brothers, their father, then chief, had been killed in his own castle by unspecified relatives. (in the general annals, not in the local one, unless the date differs, as I think it might, but it is missing pages, and if the date is given the year is missing one digit, and off by one year) At the time of this killing, my ancestor and his brother were probably being fostered somewhere else - such as is the ancient Irish custom, children were sent away at an early age. (happened up to the time of the statesman Daniel O'Connell, who was the landlord of my family.)

    This murdered chief was succeeded by a one-eyed man, who I infer was his brother (call him uncle 2). One-eye's son and a bald man who I suspect was part of the roydammna of a neighboring clan, killed the two brothers at the hill. Later, One-eye's son was involved with some individual of this other clan, in killing the chief of this other clan, in his own castle, though he was an old man, and blind.

    Subsequent to these events, the son of One-eye was made an outlaw, and it was forbidden for anyone to help him.

    One-eye was later killed by his brother and nephew (definite on the relationship). But a different brother succeeded him - the man who had dragged the two brothers, probably his nephews, from the church and killed them. There is a funny contrast here. In recording the brothers murdered at the church, the locals wrote something like "Lord, have mercy on his soul." (the killer's) When he eventually died (when chief), they were pretty laconic, but the more general, national annals give a glowing account of him.

    Uncle 1 or 2, I forget which, had a son that was a prior at a different abbey, who was killed in the abbey.

    I guess that is blood tanistry for you. Sometimes, it seems like it worked pretty well. I once mentioned a clan that had about 23 of their leading men killed at the dinner table by Normans who invited them to dinner. About a 100 years later, they made a comeback in a pretty big way, often threatening the Pale. One of their chiefs being given the nickname "of the defeats" for the way he dealt them out.

    Another thing I have wondered about is whether the English really destabilized the system of tanistry, by making alliances with competing claims. There is some indication for this in the general annals, though I think it is fair to say a lot of the blood spilling didn't require their help.

    IMO, tanistry was a really interesting system because it virtually guaranteed patriarchal rule. Was very resistant to line extinction. (Many Irish families traced an older lineage than royal houses in Europe) And it also seemed to guarantee some level of ability. Primogeniture, while perhaps more stable in certain respects, really is a roll of the dice.

    Replies: @German_reader

  1108. S says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    I'd add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era - and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street. This was the era when Russia was capitalism's Wild East, when every oligarch had their private enforcers, when the US was secretly sending advisers to Yeltsin's election campaigns.

    https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1996/1101960715_400.jpg

    Though the gangster element has declined, the oligarch era has never really ended, only moderated under Putin, in that the oligarchs are no longer allowed to do things which are perceived by government as against Russian national interests. Putin was the oligarch's choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    Here's Boris Berezovsky talking to that mannish Russian Jewish lesbian, not Anne Applebaum, can't remember her name. She interviewed him in exile about his discussions with Putin:


    “Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated … Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”
     
    An artificial two-party system sums up most of "Western democracy". The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    I digress. Here's a potted history of pro-Western attitudes in post-Soviet Russia, from the piece posted upthread about Russian intellectuals hardening on the war.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/


    For a time, from the fall of the Soviet Union to the mid-1990s, the attitude of most of the Russian intelligentsia to the West was one of blind adulation, and the change from this went through a whole series of stages. The shift began with the decision to expand NATO, generally seen in Russia as a betrayal. Fear of NATO expansion grew with NATO’s attack on Serbia during the Kosovo War. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 was widely seen as proof that the United States wished to impose rules on others that it had no intention of keeping itself.

    A key turning point came with the offer of future NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008, followed by the Georgian attack on Russian positions in South Ossetia, and the West’s misrepresentation of this as a Russian attack on Georgia. Western support for the Ukrainian revolution of 2014, generally seen in Russia as a nationalist coup against an elected president, finally doomed genuine rapprochement between Russian centrist intellectuals and their Western counterparts.

    However, Russian hopes for some form of limited compromise either with America or Europe lingered on for many years. Realists to the core themselves, members of the Russian establishment found it hard to understand why America, faced with intractable problems in the Middle East and the rise of a powerful China, did not seek to reduce tensions with the far less dangerous Russia. Similarly, they were bewildered by what they have seen as a European failure to understand that with Russia as a friend, they would face no military threat on their own continent.

    Three developments in particular kept these hopes alive. First, the French and German brokerage of the “Minsk II” peace agreement over the Donbas in 2015 allowed the Russians to believe in the possibility of an agreement with Paris and Berlin over Ukraine — though this hope faded as the French and Germans did nothing to get Ukraine actually to implement the agreement. Then the election of Donald Trump in 2016 gave hope of a friendlier America, a split between Europe and America, or both. And finally, the Biden administration’s prioritization of China as a threat revived hopes of diminished U.S. hostility to Russia.

    Russian hopes for co-operation with France and Germany could revive if these governments seek a compromise peace in Ukraine — with or without the United States. Failing that, however, Trenin’s article indicates that not just Putin’s inner circle, but much of the wider Russian establishment, will approach the war in Ukraine in a spirit of grim determination, at least until there is a possibility of a peace agreement that meets basic Russian conditions.

     

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump - the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean, @S, @S

    “…So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”

    An artificial two-party system sums up most of “Western democracy”. The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    Yes, and this ‘artificial’ Right vs Left, Conservative vs Liberal, etc, ‘two party system’ of the West, would itself simply seem to be a micro-cosm and closely paralleling derivitive of a larger manufactured and broadly controlled (crimethink, I know) centuries old now global Hegelian Dialectic, a dialectic which was willfully and knowingly initiated by the hands and minds of men in the late 18th century with the respective 1776 American proto-Capitalist and 1789 French proto-Communist revolutions of that time.

    I’ve posted before how both the (defacto) Capitalist manifesto, Smith’s Wealth of Nations, and the Communist Manifesto, were in each instance first published in London in 1776 and 1848 respectively, in both instances there being a tie in with the City of London financial district.

    And that, the heavy hitter Founding Father’s of the Capitalist United States, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, and very possibly Benjamin Franklin, were also quite involved in the proto-Communist French Revolution as well.

    [I think, at least originally from the more purely Anglo-Saxon viewpoint, the intention had been that the British Empire (in time to be aided and supplanted somewhat in this, as planned, by the United States) would act as this manufactured Capitalist vs Communist dialectic’s arbiter (ie ‘referee’) and guide it along towards a final ‘synthesis’ of Capitalism and Communism in global Multi-Culturalism, manifesting in a new global super-state of the united continents to be called the United States of the World, or some such. This future world order was to revolve around a central US/UK political axis. In effect, the British Empire (naturally!) was to ultimately ‘inherit the Earth’, the ‘worker being worthy of his wages’.]

    It’s unfortunate that with all that available evidence of the Right vs Left meme being artificial and controlled, that multiple viable ‘opt out’ movements haven’t succeeded during the past centuries in providing a variety of alternatives for the peoples of the world and mankind as a whole.

    Alas, the power of the Big Lie is powerful indeed.

    Michael York’s character, Logan, in the 1976 sci-fi movie Logan’s Run faced the awesome power of the Big Lie in the clip below, when he and a fellow ‘runner’ attempted to tell people the actual truth of their situation:

    And from the same 1976 movie, a scene of a future Washington DC and it’s Capitol building Senate chambers overgrown and in ruins. Some say such destruction may not be ultimately avoidable, but, that it can be postponed for an indefinite time, provided a people substantially change their ways:

  1109. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    I don’t believe there ever was a real risk of Russia invading Poland
     
    Not until to some years ago but I keep seeing Russians on Telegram channels and elsewhere talk about marching to Warsaw now. Not that they think Poland belongs to them or anything like that, I'm pretty sure it's just out of spite after seeing so much Polish animosity. Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.

    I don’t think that’s entirely fair.
    If Putin really expected Ukraine to become the bloody meatgrinder that it now is, there would have been far more extensive preparations for a real war, rather than the disastrously failed attempt to decapitate Zelensky’s government on the cheap. I’m extremely doubtful Putin (or anyone else in the Kremlin) would have embarked on this adventure had they suspected even a 5th the level of Ukrainian resistance they’re now facing. I do think Russia will eventually ‘win’ over Ukraine, after totally and absolutely failing all political objectives, but it’s hard for me to think of a single more phyrric victory in modern times (*cough Germany).

    I don’t think this can be construed as a Russophile argument either, since really, as the Russian government revealing itself to be grossly misinformed and incompetent is rather worse than being seen as just malicious. Now both Russia and Ukraine are dragging each other down to the abyss, taking the European economy (who have been quite eager to destroy themselves anyway) down with them. China’s revanchist plans have been totally dashed, and it’s likely the Caucasus and Middle-East will be on fire again soon. Not to mention another migrant crisis on its way with the collapse in wheat exports.

    It’s worth noting that the only country that will unambigiously benefit from virtually all of this is the US. It even has me suspect that American strategy isn’t nearly as stupid as it so often appears. I can’t see a single foreseeable ‘victory’ scenario that either Russians or any European country could celebrate.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @Yevardian


    I’m extremely doubtful Putin (or anyone else in the Kremlin) would have embarked on this adventure had they suspected even a 5th the level of Ukrainian resistance they’re now facing.
     
    Obviously, he expected much less resistance but Putin took an extremely bold gamble that included preparing Russia for a possible nuclear confrontation if the West tried to stop him. And once it was clear that the Ukrainian resistance was much stronger than anticipated, the didn't hesitate for a second to escalate to the level of the wholesale butchery we're witnessing now. I don't think it's unfair to say that people in the Kremlin are not the cool-headed lot that many of us assumed.
    , @LondonBob
    @Yevardian

    As Putin explained in his talk with the Russian commercial pilots at the outset of the war they were well aware of how dug in the occupying Ukrainian forces were in the Donbass, hence why a frontal support wouldn't have worked and thus the need for a more widespread attack. I would say they weren't anticipating the level of sanctions, they thought the Jews in the State Department weren't crazy, for some reason, but then NATO wasn't thinking the sanctions would last as they thought Russia would collapse within a few days.

    Russia will come out of this much stronger, diplomatically, economically and militarily, they have proven their strength. The reintegration of the Donbass will have long term benefits.

    The rest of Europe and the US have been significantly weakened. China's position in Asia has been greatly strengthened, the non aligned will not be lining up with the US.

  1110. @AnonfromTN
    @German_reader


    France is also sending six more Caesar artillery pieces.
     
    Psychiatrists say that doing the same thing and expecting a different result is a sure sign of insanity. Very recently Uralvagonzavod sent its thanks to Macron for two Caesar pieces captured in pristine condition by the Russian army: Ukies ran away so fast that they did not have a chance even to damage them.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Jazman

    There is rumor Ukies sold two Caesar pieces for 120.000 $

  1111. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence
     
    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives, and some say that is the secret of their success.

    I’d prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits
     
    What are your ideas along this line?

    When I think "intellectual pursuits", I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend, @Wielgus

    the deification of education

    Well, there is a lot of education and precious little intellectual pursuit out there, so I think you and Thulean are on the same page. Learning critical thinking and the ability to digest and apply knowledge cracks opens pretty much all doors of intellectual pursuits.

    Of course, teaching the hoi polloi critical thinking is probably never going to be high on the list of our betters, so it’s best to take matters into your own hands.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    Some people say that you can't teach critical thinking.

    I don't believe they are wholly right. For example, I think being a younger sibling makes one a lot less naive.

    But I do think they are right in the sense that many college courses claim to teach it, but its not something that you can imbue to everyone. And I am not wholly without sympathy for these professors, as I think they are acknowledging that people forget info that has been rote memorized, and a lot of college courses are about ridiculous levels of memorization.

  1112. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    No worries, I find it all mildly amusing. Sher Singh's over the top, extravagant insults are always worth a laugh...


    He needs to be crushed beneath the weight of a 1000 black women.
     
    I mean...come on, you have to admit that is funny as hell.

    Replies: @A123, @sher singh

    There’s a cultural context where capital criminals were crushed beneath elephants.
    Niggadry or nigger-loving is a capital crime.

    Not really joking,
    but shrug.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    Interesting. I can say I learned something new today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_elephant

    Joking or not, you still have an often delightfully offensively glib capacity for internet insult.

  1113. S says:
    @YetAnotherAnon
    @Beckow

    I'd add that Russia itself looked to the West in the post-Soviet era - and got royally shafted for its pains by Wall Street. This was the era when Russia was capitalism's Wild East, when every oligarch had their private enforcers, when the US was secretly sending advisers to Yeltsin's election campaigns.

    https://content.time.com/time/magazine/archive/covers/1996/1101960715_400.jpg

    Though the gangster element has declined, the oligarch era has never really ended, only moderated under Putin, in that the oligarchs are no longer allowed to do things which are perceived by government as against Russian national interests. Putin was the oligarch's choice in the post-Yeltsin years.

    Here's Boris Berezovsky talking to that mannish Russian Jewish lesbian, not Anne Applebaum, can't remember her name. She interviewed him in exile about his discussions with Putin:


    “Listen, Volodya, what happened: we destroyed the entire political space. Devoured, not destroyed, but devoured it. We absolutely dominated … Look, I’ll suggest that we can not have effective political system, if there’s a tough competition. So I suggest we create an artificial two-party system. So, let’s say, the left and right. A socially oriented party and a neo-conservatives liberal party. Choose any. And I’ll make another party. At the same time, my own heart is closer to neoconservatives, and I think so, you [Putin] are socially oriented. ”
     
    An artificial two-party system sums up most of "Western democracy". The media have to present a simalcrum of debate and political conflict for the people to get involved with, and to cheer on their favourites, like the Blue and the Green supporters in Byzantium.

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    I digress. Here's a potted history of pro-Western attitudes in post-Soviet Russia, from the piece posted upthread about Russian intellectuals hardening on the war.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/06/06/why-russian-intellectuals-are-hardening-support-for-war-in-ukraine/


    For a time, from the fall of the Soviet Union to the mid-1990s, the attitude of most of the Russian intelligentsia to the West was one of blind adulation, and the change from this went through a whole series of stages. The shift began with the decision to expand NATO, generally seen in Russia as a betrayal. Fear of NATO expansion grew with NATO’s attack on Serbia during the Kosovo War. The U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 was widely seen as proof that the United States wished to impose rules on others that it had no intention of keeping itself.

    A key turning point came with the offer of future NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia in 2008, followed by the Georgian attack on Russian positions in South Ossetia, and the West’s misrepresentation of this as a Russian attack on Georgia. Western support for the Ukrainian revolution of 2014, generally seen in Russia as a nationalist coup against an elected president, finally doomed genuine rapprochement between Russian centrist intellectuals and their Western counterparts.

    However, Russian hopes for some form of limited compromise either with America or Europe lingered on for many years. Realists to the core themselves, members of the Russian establishment found it hard to understand why America, faced with intractable problems in the Middle East and the rise of a powerful China, did not seek to reduce tensions with the far less dangerous Russia. Similarly, they were bewildered by what they have seen as a European failure to understand that with Russia as a friend, they would face no military threat on their own continent.

    Three developments in particular kept these hopes alive. First, the French and German brokerage of the “Minsk II” peace agreement over the Donbas in 2015 allowed the Russians to believe in the possibility of an agreement with Paris and Berlin over Ukraine — though this hope faded as the French and Germans did nothing to get Ukraine actually to implement the agreement. Then the election of Donald Trump in 2016 gave hope of a friendlier America, a split between Europe and America, or both. And finally, the Biden administration’s prioritization of China as a threat revived hopes of diminished U.S. hostility to Russia.

    Russian hopes for co-operation with France and Germany could revive if these governments seek a compromise peace in Ukraine — with or without the United States. Failing that, however, Trenin’s article indicates that not just Putin’s inner circle, but much of the wider Russian establishment, will approach the war in Ukraine in a spirit of grim determination, at least until there is a possibility of a peace agreement that meets basic Russian conditions.

     

    I should perhaps add to an already long post is that the US is unique in giving oligarchs more power than elected politicians. Twitter could drop Donald Trump - the Russian oligarchs and Jack Ma in China soon discovered where the power lay.

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa, @Sean, @S, @S

    The real debate and real political conflict is based around making some ideas unsayable and the people who propound them into unpersons. I remember a Brit poll in the (I think) 1990s where the public were very much in favour of a set of manifesto policies, until told that they belonged to the nationalist BNP, who’d been successfully unpersoned.

    That’s called ‘dispensing of existance’ according to the outstanding 1961 book by Robert J Lifton entitled Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism.

    ‘Thought reform’ is simply a modern term for ‘brain washing’. The ideology of global Multi-culturalism has all the ear marks of being gigantic cult, which becomes pretty apparent when the highlights of Lifton’s book are examined.

    I’ve posted those main points of his book under More below:

    Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group’s ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism

    [MORE]

    In the book, Lifton outlines the “Eight Criteria for Thought Reform”:

    Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

    Mystical Manipulation. The manipulation of experiences that appears spontaneous but is, in fact, planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders to demonstrate divine authority, spiritual advancement, or some exceptional talent or insight that sets the leader and/or group apart from humanity, and that allows a reinterpretation of historical events, scripture, and other experiences. Coincidences and happenstance oddities are interpreted as omens or prophecies.

    Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

    Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members’ “sins,” “attitudes,” and “faults” are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

    Sacred Science. The group’s doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

    Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members’ thought processes to conform to the group’s way of thinking.

    Doctrine over person. Members’ personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

    Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious, and must be converted to the group’s ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.[3]

  1114. @German_reader
    @songbird

    Thanks, that's pretty interesting.


    That I had identified an annalistic clue
     
    Just out of curiosity, do I understand correctly that this is some sort of annalistic source from an abbey connected to the clan?
    Does it provide any details about the murder at that inauguration hill? Sounds gruesome, but also fascinating.

    At some point, I may try to contact the local historical society with my theories. I have also thought of trying to contact Trinity College, to get someone to look at the old document.
     
    Good ideas. I suppose the document you mention is some sort of charter held in an archive? If so, maybe you could order a digital picture of it, normally archives should provide that kind of service. Might of course be difficult to read, so maybe you'd have to contact someone knowledgeable about paleography, but that shouldn't be impossible either.

    Replies: @songbird

    Just out of curiosity, do I understand correctly that this is some sort of annalistic source from an abbey connected to the clan?

    The clue about the chief’s residence mentioned in the 1400s was a clue from what is considered the most general annals of Ireland,

    [MORE]
    sometimes called the Annals of the Four Masters. It was drawn from a variety of different sources, which I don’t believe are clear in every case (and it has been suggested that they disregarded details), but, none of the major annals (including different histories) referenced the events at the inauguration hill.

    Some events of the clan are recorded in another set of general annals, not remotely close to where they happened, but not put into what has formed the more general annals.

    A shortform reference to the inauguration hill was written in some mass calendar of the local abbey. It was written that the two brothers were slain there, and their father’s name was mentioned. No other details.

    But I was able to realize that another document, a legal document of the English, also referred to the two brothers. One key to identifying them was Irish naming conventions which often included a patronymic. Another key was understanding how different forms of names were used in Church documents. This did not give the place where they were killed or even the year, but mentioned the names of their killers. Unclear about what original language was used, but the English word was “murdered.”

    This legal document had nothing to do with the family directly, but provided some level of details about them, including their address, the wedding gifts one brother received, and an evaluation of his lifestyle by a maid in his castle. My single source for connecting a genealogy to this clan, as it mentioned the castle coming into possession of the granddaughter of the chief, and through her marriage to a Norman family. (My previous source for connecting to the castle was a distant grave that mentioned the place, and had a duel coat of arms on it – haven’t been able to trace the other side of it, due to lack of clues)

    The document was about a court case between two branches of the Geraldines, (possibly the most powerful Norman family in Ireland) and which side had a more legitimate claim on the old earl’s property. Elderly witnesses were produced some 60 years after events, to testify one branch was illegitimate. One man was close to 100 and couldn’t travel, but swore his testimony to a reputable witness.

    This illegitimacy was related to my ancestor’s brother. By a certain claim, he had abducted his wife, the daughter of the chief of a powerful neighboring Irish clan. By another claim he had been offered her as part of an alliance, with a lot of marriage goods, and married her with a lot of witnesses, and she had run away (or reading between the lines, possibly been abducted, though her friends were said to disrepute her) by a Norman man, uncle of the Earl. Later executed, along with his other brothers, after the rebellion of their nephew Silken Thomas. But he fathered three sons with her.

    I don’t know whether it should be looked at like the Normans cucking the native Irish, but I do wonder if my ancestor and his brother would have been killed, if it hadn’t happened, and whether his alliance with her father would have carried the day. (the illegitimates won the case, but they had already been given the property).

    To go into more details, in case you are interested: Some years earlier two of their brothers had been dragged by their uncle (call him uncle 1, that is I have supposed the relationship) and his party out of the local church and slain. Interesting, as their common ancestors were buried in the church. Again, no reference in the general annals.

    (I’ve wondered quite a bit, if antagonisms like these were common among people with different female descent, different wives and mothers, but the same male descent. No clues as to what was the case here, but, of course, many women died in childbirth.)

    Some years previous to the church killings of the two brothers, their father, then chief, had been killed in his own castle by unspecified relatives. (in the general annals, not in the local one, unless the date differs, as I think it might, but it is missing pages, and if the date is given the year is missing one digit, and off by one year) At the time of this killing, my ancestor and his brother were probably being fostered somewhere else – such as is the ancient Irish custom, children were sent away at an early age. (happened up to the time of the statesman Daniel O’Connell, who was the landlord of my family.)

    This murdered chief was succeeded by a one-eyed man, who I infer was his brother (call him uncle 2). One-eye’s son and a bald man who I suspect was part of the roydammna of a neighboring clan, killed the two brothers at the hill. Later, One-eye’s son was involved with some individual of this other clan, in killing the chief of this other clan, in his own castle, though he was an old man, and blind.

    Subsequent to these events, the son of One-eye was made an outlaw, and it was forbidden for anyone to help him.

    One-eye was later killed by his brother and nephew (definite on the relationship). But a different brother succeeded him – the man who had dragged the two brothers, probably his nephews, from the church and killed them. There is a funny contrast here. In recording the brothers murdered at the church, the locals wrote something like “Lord, have mercy on his soul.” (the killer’s) When he eventually died (when chief), they were pretty laconic, but the more general, national annals give a glowing account of him.

    Uncle 1 or 2, I forget which, had a son that was a prior at a different abbey, who was killed in the abbey.

    I guess that is blood tanistry for you. Sometimes, it seems like it worked pretty well. I once mentioned a clan that had about 23 of their leading men killed at the dinner table by Normans who invited them to dinner. About a 100 years later, they made a comeback in a pretty big way, often threatening the Pale. One of their chiefs being given the nickname “of the defeats” for the way he dealt them out.

    Another thing I have wondered about is whether the English really destabilized the system of tanistry, by making alliances with competing claims. There is some indication for this in the general annals, though I think it is fair to say a lot of the blood spilling didn’t require their help.

    IMO, tanistry was a really interesting system because it virtually guaranteed patriarchal rule. Was very resistant to line extinction. (Many Irish families traced an older lineage than royal houses in Europe) And it also seemed to guarantee some level of ability. Primogeniture, while perhaps more stable in certain respects, really is a roll of the dice.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa, German_reader, S
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    IMO, tanistry was a really interesting system because it virtually guaranteed patriarchal rule.
     
    Sounds pretty violent though :-)
    You seem to have given this a lot of thought and done quite a bit of research, I'm impressed. These genealogical relationships and the violence associated with them are pretty interesting as social history. You should definitely look into contacting some local historical society and deposing your findings with them.

    Replies: @songbird

  1115. @Mikel
    @Barbarossa

    If you open the webpage in Chrome and right click on it, you can have it translated to English.

    Apparently, they just chose some quote from each of the personalities and the one they chose from AK does not make him look very profound at all. But well, he does make ample use of memes of questionable value and pop fiction characters in his posts so it's not entirely undeserved.

    Any progress in your negotiations with the skeptics?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Thanks.

    I’ve been meaning to update on that, not that there is much to remark on. We are still hung up on what would be an acceptable test. I haven’t pursued them further, since I wanted to do some more testing on my own. I should have some time this weekend to do a couple tests and I will get back with results once I do.

    I apologize for letting it slide, it’s gotten into my busy season and I’m right in the thick of it. Times where I would have some free time I don’t think about it, and so time keeps slipping by, taken up by things more on the front burner. But…now your question puts it more on the front burner at a time where I can actually get to it.

  1116. @Barbarossa
    @songbird


    the deification of education
     
    Well, there is a lot of education and precious little intellectual pursuit out there, so I think you and Thulean are on the same page. Learning critical thinking and the ability to digest and apply knowledge cracks opens pretty much all doors of intellectual pursuits.

    Of course, teaching the hoi polloi critical thinking is probably never going to be high on the list of our betters, so it's best to take matters into your own hands.

    Replies: @songbird

    Some people say that you can’t teach critical thinking.

    I don’t believe they are wholly right. For example, I think being a younger sibling makes one a lot less naive.

    But I do think they are right in the sense that many college courses claim to teach it, but its not something that you can imbue to everyone. And I am not wholly without sympathy for these professors, as I think they are acknowledging that people forget info that has been rote memorized, and a lot of college courses are about ridiculous levels of memorization.

  1117. @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    There's a cultural context where capital criminals were crushed beneath elephants.
    Niggadry or nigger-loving is a capital crime.

    Not really joking,
    but shrug.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/935318451591999488/992610939218165880/IMG_20170617_175537.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Interesting. I can say I learned something new today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_by_elephant

    Joking or not, you still have an often delightfully offensively glib capacity for internet insult.

    • Thanks: sher singh
  1118. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence
     
    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives, and some say that is the secret of their success.

    I’d prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits
     
    What are your ideas along this line?

    When I think "intellectual pursuits", I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend, @Wielgus

    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives

    All the Jewish geniuses that burst onto the scene in the 19th and 20th centuries were descendant from Haredi families at some point. This stereotype is spread by malicious Reform Jews who have given up their identities.

    Besides, continuity will ensure that the Haredis will get the last laugh. Who’s the dumb one of the two groups?

    When I think “intellectual pursuits”, I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.

    “Practical experience” will change depending on the circumstances and even on personal preferences. It’s a useless metric. It’s better to inculcate a culture of educating oneself, whatever that topic may be. To elevate those who read the most to the highest status position in society.

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym, which is our current cultural zeitgeist.

    Also, your point about fertility cannot be taken seriously given the population group we’re talking about (Haredim).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Besides, continuity will ensure that the Haredis will get the last laugh. Who’s the dumb one of the two groups?
     
    Point taken, but some people predict economic cataclysm.

    “Practical experience” will change depending on the circumstances and even on personal preferences. It’s a useless metric.
     
    More meant to be a mode of living or social prescription than a metric.

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books
     
    I consider that I've probably read a fair amount of books.

    Honestly, it is probably mostly a waste of time. Average book is trash. A few times, I've found small bits of inspiration, but I think I was probably smartest, when I avoided reading books, but had the plasticity and imagination of youth. Right now we are warehousing young minds, and IMO, it is a huge mistake.

    But I disfavor your metric as it suggests that you get points for reading cover to cover, and you shouldn't ever try to look at the index or even drop the book into the fire. And in a way it strikes me as passive consumerism. Maybe, there is value in attempting creative endeavors, even scribbling that can't be found in books.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  1119. @Dmitry
    @LatW

    Usually bulky and heavy speakers could sound better, or this is the traditional belief of the 20th century audio fans. Until the last couple decades, when it becomes confusing. In 1970s studio monitors like NS-1000, are weighing 60 kg for two.

    But nowadays there is Genelec from the minimalist Nordic culture, which makes professional studio monitors that are compact. There is $9500 hi-fi system ($7500 for those two Genelec speakers) that looks so boring and unoffensive, and can unpack in three boxes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XgwajAz0dw

    Although Genelec is professional monitors that will sound as good as any old system, I don't think many traditionalist hi-fi communities want to pay $9500 for audio systems which look this "acceptable for girls".


    I saw S30 on eBay for $199. Plus, I don’t think Hack will ever appreciate “Sovok” stuff, lol.

     

    Well Mr Hack said he is divorced. Now he is free to convert his living room to somewhere which looks like a Soviet space program with dozens of wires on the carpet.

    And then there is AP by comparison, who claims he is happy listening to audio in his car, as his wife probably doesn't accept a single visible wire in their house.

    Replies: @A123, @Mr. Hack, @LatW, @Thulean Friend

    Dmitry is posting unboxing videos again. The world is healing.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    It was a funny Stockholm unboxer as well. I'm not sure if he has good taste, or just follows too much hype in Sweden.

    He has a $200,000 Patek Philippe Nautilus and OG 1989 Air Jordans. He has Genelec studio monitors. But he also collects 1990s American cars, which seemed more eccentric.

    Is there a lot of hype for Corvettes in Sweden?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NavtYk1cPWc&t=489s

    Replies: @LondonBob

  1120. @German_reader
    @LatW


    Such as? Not sure I’m following.
     
    Just read AP's comments here when he fantasizes about some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc (directed not just against Russia), presumably repeating what his right-wing Polish acquaintances imagine (I've seen similar talking points elsewhere). Though much of the reaction to Russia's invasion is of course quite visceral and not rooted in such calculations.

    p.s. Thanks for the howitzers.
     
    While I'm in favour of sending them, thanking me for it is a bit silly, it's not like I have any influence on such decisions, and I don't represent Germany either. But I appreciate the sentiment.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP, @Dmitry

    read AP’s comments

    Lol how would this be an argument, using representative samples? AP’s from New England. He’s probably become almost like a white person, with an anglosaxon lifestyle. Neither Obama’s view would be representative of the Kenyan slums, between driving his daughters to Harvard University. Having blood from a third world country is not conveying viewpoint and difficult life experiences of the local population that actually has to live there.

    super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc

    Poles were not usually fans of Ukraine, at least before this year. Of course, after this year, everyone in developed countries loves Ukraine. Ukraine became the world’s most fashionable country. Not just Poland, wants to be friends with Ukraine.

    With its current government, in normal year, Poland should manage to annoy all its neighbors in Europe for domestic consumption. This year, Europe and America will be politically converging more with Poland, as Poland always hates Russia, and since February other European countries are following there. I guess Poland has just become more mainstream with the Europeans for a short time. After the war ends, you can predict their government will find excuses to argue with neighbors again, often in something connected with the Second World War.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    AP’s from New England.
     
    Don't believe he ever said so. Could be wrong.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    What's not to love about Poland? They detest homosexuals and have exterminated 99.9% of the Jews.

    Saint John Paul the Great. The only man in the history of the universe they started the paperwork on his sainthood before his corpse even began to cool off. It was almost complete before his hair and fingernails stopped growing.

    Lovely sheepdog!

    https://a-z-animals.com/media/2021/07/Polish-Lowland-Sheepdog-header.jpg

  1121. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW

    What-aboutism is a fake concept: it is either everywhere or nowhere, it is a very transparent attempt to control what is allowed. As you can see here anything can be called what-aboutism, it means nothing. It was invented by the Western media managers after NATO attacks on all the countries I have listed in order not to allow those crimes into any discussion. It is completely fake.


    Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe.
     
    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much. We see Russia as any other great power and appreciate that Russia can be useful against domination by others: Germany, EU, Turkey, even out of control Poland.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs... we don't share your pathological hatred of Russia. We cannot create a common civilization space if you don't sober up from the hatred. You also dislike our indifference of your bloody exaggerations. Often you are unable to control the worst impulses in your societies. We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much.

    This poll was from 2019, so attitudes are much more negative towards Russia now than on this chart:

    Czechia was closer to Lithuania than to Slovakia. And although Orban personally is not antagonistic towards Russia, his people don’t like Russia very much either.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs

    See above about Czechs. The others are far from Russia. The further from Russia and therefore the more ignorant about Russia, the less the negative the attitudes towards Russia.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...The further from Russia and therefore the more ignorant about Russia
     
    One can also say: further from Russia the less paranoid about Russia.

    Czechs are the most infamous opportunists of Europe. Any surveys of Czechs need to take it into account. At least half will automatically answer based on "what do you want to hear?"

    Check out the large pro-Habsburg Czech demos in Prague when WWI started, or much larger - absolutely massive with hundreds of thousands of people - demos during WWII to show loyalty to Germany, After the Heydrich assassination all of Prague came out and swore an unyielding loyalty to the fuehrer. Watch the YouTube videos.

    After 1945 Czechs not just "polled pro-Russian", they voted over 40% for the communists in a free and open 1946 elections...and so on and on. Czechs are not serious people, they like to live well and to complain about their neighbors. You should see their attitudes toward the Poles - in the absolute basement, and this is more real since Czechs don't fear Poles, they despise them. (I don't like that.)

    As always, you are easily fooled.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1122. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW

    What-aboutism is a fake concept: it is either everywhere or nowhere, it is a very transparent attempt to control what is allowed. As you can see here anything can be called what-aboutism, it means nothing. It was invented by the Western media managers after NATO attacks on all the countries I have listed in order not to allow those crimes into any discussion. It is completely fake.


    Why not create separate civilizational spaces then? Russia, the US/Western Europe and Eastern Europe.
     
    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much. We see Russia as any other great power and appreciate that Russia can be useful against domination by others: Germany, EU, Turkey, even out of control Poland.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs... we don't share your pathological hatred of Russia. We cannot create a common civilization space if you don't sober up from the hatred. You also dislike our indifference of your bloody exaggerations. Often you are unable to control the worst impulses in your societies. We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.

    Replies: @AP, @LatW

    We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.

    You know what, that’s fine. It doesn’t bother me one bit. My point was more about why be together with those you dislike? From your previous posts it seems that you see only the option of either being with the West or submitting to Russia. It doesn’t have to be that way.

    Speaking of Slovakia & Czech Rep, they have actually been helping Ukraine to fix the equipment and military transport. They have been working in the background.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @LatW

    And, btw, Beckow, I have nothing against a leaner, tighter version of the Intermarium. PL, UA, LT, LV, EE + a number of citizens of Belarus & Russia who are on our side. That's a lot.

    There are right leaning Russian bogatyrs fighting on Ukraine's side. They & their families could hypothetically number in tens of thousands (the population of the Faroe Islands is 48K, of Liechtenstein is 38K by comparison). The only issue would be settling them into the territory of the Intermarium (travel & visa issues).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Anatoly Karlin

  1123. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @AP


    ...some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc directed not just against Russia...

    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine
     

    That is the problem: you are sliding into nationalist fanaticism. I have heard it myself from Poles, usually when they are drunk. Russia is too strong, so for all the talk your "bloc" won't ever touch Russia. The other countries in the region may not be that lucky. It is the rebellion of the poor and the angry, we don't care for it. Stop drinking so much.

    If Russia would defeat this insane nationalist 17th century throwback dream, they would do Europe a big favor. Three-seas imperium, or whatever it is you hallucinate about, is neither feasible nor interesting. And since the cheap, plentiful gas is about to stop, Poles will be too busy digging for coal anyway.

    Replies: @AP

    “…some super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc directed not just against Russia…”

    This is rather mainstream in both Poland and Ukraine

    That is the problem: you are sliding into nationalist fanaticism.

    Some sort of confederation between the two nations is not fanatic.

    Russia is too strong, so for all the talk your “bloc” won’t ever touch Russia

    Russia is barely handling Ukraine. If Ukraine and Poland were united, Russia would be on its way to a loss now. More often than not, historically Ukraine + Poland has defeated Russia. Russia has trouble handling that combination, it was only able to establish ascendancy in Eastern Europe when the Poles and Ukrainians divided.

    Of course Ukraine + Poland would not attack Russia. But it would keep Russia in its place, for it to focus elsewhere other than westward. That is the key to stability and peace in Eastern Europe.

    If Russia would defeat this insane nationalist 17th century throwback dream, they would do Europe a big favor.

    You really hate the idea of a peaceful stable Eastern Europe where Russia doesn’t try to expand and foment wars, don’t you.

    It is the rebellion of the poor and the angry, we don’t care for it.

    You seem pretty angry yourself. Except on Russia’s behalf.

    Ukraine is poor, Poland and the Baltics are not.

    Why are wages in Slovakia and Hungary so low?

    [MORE]

  1124. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives
     
    All the Jewish geniuses that burst onto the scene in the 19th and 20th centuries were descendant from Haredi families at some point. This stereotype is spread by malicious Reform Jews who have given up their identities.

    Besides, continuity will ensure that the Haredis will get the last laugh. Who's the dumb one of the two groups?


    When I think “intellectual pursuits”, I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.
     
    "Practical experience" will change depending on the circumstances and even on personal preferences. It's a useless metric. It's better to inculcate a culture of educating oneself, whatever that topic may be. To elevate those who read the most to the highest status position in society.

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books rather than who built the best muscles at the gym, which is our current cultural zeitgeist.

    Also, your point about fertility cannot be taken seriously given the population group we're talking about (Haredim).

    Replies: @songbird

    Besides, continuity will ensure that the Haredis will get the last laugh. Who’s the dumb one of the two groups?

    Point taken, but some people predict economic cataclysm.

    “Practical experience” will change depending on the circumstances and even on personal preferences. It’s a useless metric.

    More meant to be a mode of living or social prescription than a metric.

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books

    I consider that I’ve probably read a fair amount of books.

    Honestly, it is probably mostly a waste of time. Average book is trash. A few times, I’ve found small bits of inspiration, but I think I was probably smartest, when I avoided reading books, but had the plasticity and imagination of youth. Right now we are warehousing young minds, and IMO, it is a huge mistake.

    But I disfavor your metric as it suggests that you get points for reading cover to cover, and you shouldn’t ever try to look at the index or even drop the book into the fire. And in a way it strikes me as passive consumerism. Maybe, there is value in attempting creative endeavors, even scribbling that can’t be found in books.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    Having poor taste in books is not an argument against reading. There's also a weird false choice you set up between reading and creating. Both can and should happen. Done right, they can reinforce each other.

    Replies: @songbird

  1125. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    read AP’s comments
     
    Lol how would this be an argument, using representative samples? AP's from New England. He's probably become almost like a white person, with an anglosaxon lifestyle. Neither Obama's view would be representative of the Kenyan slums, between driving his daughters to Harvard University. Having blood from a third world country is not conveying viewpoint and difficult life experiences of the local population that actually has to live there.

    super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc
     
    Poles were not usually fans of Ukraine, at least before this year. Of course, after this year, everyone in developed countries loves Ukraine. Ukraine became the world's most fashionable country. Not just Poland, wants to be friends with Ukraine.

    With its current government, in normal year, Poland should manage to annoy all its neighbors in Europe for domestic consumption. This year, Europe and America will be politically converging more with Poland, as Poland always hates Russia, and since February other European countries are following there. I guess Poland has just become more mainstream with the Europeans for a short time. After the war ends, you can predict their government will find excuses to argue with neighbors again, often in something connected with the Second World War.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    AP’s from New England.

    Don’t believe he ever said so. Could be wrong.

    • Replies: @AP
    @songbird


    AP’s from New England.

    Don’t believe he ever said so. Could be wrong.
     
    I did not say so. I said I am generically from somewhere the Northeast (could be New England, or could be New York State).

    Replies: @songbird

  1126. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @LatW


    That’s simply not true.
     
    It is, there are many examples in your own comments, e. g. I remember you waxing lyrically about some alleged Ukrainian-Latvian brotherhood because of shared experiences in the Gulag (yeah, right, because Ukraine was "occupied" in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn't been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too).

    And your previous Chancellor chose to ignore it.
     
    Merkel is a stupid bitch who should be hanged for having basically signed Germany's death warrant, but in relations to Russia her only real mistake was to increase the energy dependence on Russia (for which Germany will pay dearly). She was right in 2008 about Ukrainian NATO membership, and without the Minsk agreements Russia would probably already have invaded in 2014/15 and Ukraine would have folded like a house of cards. EE's don't have that much reason to complain about her.

    Replies: @LatW, @AP

    (yeah, right, because Ukraine was “occupied” in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too)

    There was a Soviet Republic in Kharkiv, by and for the ethnic Russian factory workers there, but otherwise there wasn’t much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders. There were nearly as many Latvians among Bolsheviks as there were Ukrainians, and of course no significant Bolshevik Ukrainian military units.

    The most that can be said is that some Ukrainians thought the Reds were a lesser evil than the Whites (they were wrong) so they formed temporary alliances with them. The Ukrainian anarchist Makhno did so against Wrangel, but was then bitterly fighting against the Bolsheviks until 1921.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @AP

    Riga was one of the top most industrialized cities of the Russian Empire. This partly explains why there were many Latvian reds. Plus some Latvians were deliberately recruited. Riga was consistently above any Ukrainian city except Odessa in terms of growth (which went hand in hand with industrialization), at least according to this graph (Riga is orange):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvKzEvpt2Y

    I'm actually surprised that Kyiv's population was smaller than Riga's all the way until the revolution. Would need to check these stats.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @German_reader
    @AP


    but otherwise there wasn’t much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders.
     
    I was thinking more of the 1930s and 1940s, to me it seems like a misrepresentation to pretend that Ukraine then was "occupied" by the Soviets, as if there hadn't been any Ukrainian support for the Soviet system at all (even if there was a contrast between the more Russian/Russophone cities and the Ukrainian countryside). I don't think the situation was quite the same then as in Latvia, where communism clearly lacked any appeal among Latvians by 1940.
    But thanks for the table, also shows again that ethnic Germans in the Soviet Union were one of the biggest victim groups of a system to which they hadn't contributed much.

    Replies: @AP

  1127. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Learn from Haredi Jews. Selecting for intelligence
     
    Stereotype of Haredis seems to be that they have lower intelligence than their close ethnic relatives, and some say that is the secret of their success.

    I’d prefer investing cultural prestige in intellectual pursuits
     
    What are your ideas along this line?

    When I think "intellectual pursuits", I think the deification of education, at the expense of practical experience, fertility, social utility, and even life outcomes.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Thulean Friend, @Wielgus

    A work colleague had a girl friend who was Jewish or half-Jewish. I met her a couple of times, quite secularised. I asked my colleague what she thought of the Haredi Jews in say, Stamford Hill. He said she thought they were “inbred”.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Wielgus

    It might be true, but it could also be a weird psychological quirk of the Ashkenazim.

    I think a more internationalist mindset encourages a culture of calling people inbred.

    I once saw an SNL skit that I found pretty offensive. It seemed to say that Irish people were all having sex with their cousins, and I really attributed it to Jewish influence or culture, meant to promote globalism. Historically, there is practically zero basis for the claim, with me never having seen a first cousin marriage among peasants in a Irish Catholic register. And Jews in fact being more inbred than the average.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1128. LatW says:
    @LatW
    @Beckow


    We are not like that so there can be no common civilization. We have more in common with the more normal Germans, Italians, French.
     
    You know what, that's fine. It doesn't bother me one bit. My point was more about why be together with those you dislike? From your previous posts it seems that you see only the option of either being with the West or submitting to Russia. It doesn't have to be that way.

    Speaking of Slovakia & Czech Rep, they have actually been helping Ukraine to fix the equipment and military transport. They have been working in the background.

    Replies: @LatW

    And, btw, Beckow, I have nothing against a leaner, tighter version of the Intermarium. PL, UA, LT, LV, EE + a number of citizens of Belarus & Russia who are on our side. That’s a lot.

    There are right leaning Russian bogatyrs fighting on Ukraine’s side. They & their families could hypothetically number in tens of thousands (the population of the Faroe Islands is 48K, of Liechtenstein is 38K by comparison). The only issue would be settling them into the territory of the Intermarium (travel & visa issues).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    Liechtenstein is with us!!!! And the Faroes, even the sheep...great slogans, but you are descending into poetic madness with the bogatyrs and hypothetical fighters from all over.

    In how many different ways can you describe the unfolding loss in the war that Ukraine is experiencing?

    All of these hopes for the endless future resistance, a big or small Intermarium, are very unrealistic. Most of Europe is not with you in these plans, the W Europe and many of its allies in E Europe would actively oppose Intermarium and any unnecessary endless fighting that interferes with our prosperity.

    Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary do some assistance in the background. But the statements are generally reasonable and even-handed and we all quickly agreed to pay rubles for gas. There are a few loudmouths who are immediately highlighted by the Western propaganda war, but most people - incl. politicians - simply say we need to wait it out and not get involved. Orban is an exception only in the way he is more open about it. This is also true about Austria, Croatia, Slovenia...

    You are building your plans for Intermarium on the current shallow hysteria and you will be disappointed. We know our strategic interests: no dominant power, and definitely not more Polish irrational war-making and war-losing.

    Replies: @LatW

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @LatW

    The so-called Free Russia Legion is in the tens, not the tens of thousands, being an astroturf project that exists exclusively for photo ops with a dozen SBU officers for every actual Russian traitor scumbag within it, but it's amusing to read the fantasies of Latvian emigre imbeciles regardless.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wielgus

  1129. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    Ukraine will definitely control this island, that had significant strategic importance for Russia.
     
    It's a symbolic success, but it doesn't change anything about the strategic reality of Russia's Black sea blockade.
    I think you're overly optimistic. I don't say this in the spirit of someone like Beckow who will feel Schadenfreude about a Ukrainian defeat, but it does seem like Ukraine's armed forces are suffering severe losses, and a strategic retreat from the Donbass front to more defensible lines might have been wiser. As for counter-offensives, recently I read that Ukraine would need to recruit and train 100 000 additional soldiers. And get massive arms shipments from the West, on a scale that seems very unlikely and might be problematic even for the US (not to mention what's going to happen in Western Europe in winter with the energy situation). But even in that case, an offensive might still fail catastrophically and lead to an even bigger Russian victory.
    At this point one probably has to be more modest and hope it will be possible at least to prevent Russia from making additional major gains line conquering Odessa or Kharkiv...and that eventually this sick adventure will become so painful for Russia too that there'll be some form of negotiated settlement.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Ironically Ukrainian tactics seems to be more like WW2 Soviet ones than those used by the Russians. Blocking troops to prevent retreats and a considerable lack of regard for their own casualties. Tardiness in pulling out of potential cauldrons seems to be another one, and the number of Ukrainian POWs in Russian hands is far higher than that of Russians in Ukrainian hands, at least partly because the Ukrainians did not get out of encirclements until it was too late.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Wielgus

    I think I was the first commenter to note that so far as WW2 analogies go the Ukrainians are fighting like the Soviets and the Russians like the Brits.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    , @AP
    @Wielgus

    You have it backwards. Ukrainian tactics involve its military which has been organised in a decentralised way, with independent NCOs and local commanders making more decisions. This is completely different from the centralised Soviet approach still used by the Russians. Ukraine is using modern tactics while Russians are using Soviet ones. The only caveat is that it seems that at times political leaders have overruled local commanders to commit to some point too long.

    Getting caught in encirclements by not retreating soon enough was a German specialty, although the Ukrainian circumstances here have been exaggerated by the Russians.

  1130. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    AP’s from New England.
     
    Don't believe he ever said so. Could be wrong.

    Replies: @AP

    AP’s from New England.

    Don’t believe he ever said so. Could be wrong.

    I did not say so. I said I am generically from somewhere the Northeast (could be New England, or could be New York State).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    Not sure Dmitry would have such an idyllic view of Harvard, if he had ever walked through the square and been accosted by the many aggressive panhandlers who inhabit it, or at least who did last time I was in the area.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1131. @Mikhail
    Oops!

    https://twitter.com/MsmUnmasked/status/1542837963373019136

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Wielgus

    Definitely Russian-speaking. Not Ukrainian.
    As to the weird understanding of “help from Russia” by Mr Hack, there is a scene in the Italian neo-realist film Rome Open City (1945) where someone asks Pina, one of the main characters, when the American liberators will arrive. She glances at a bomb-damaged building and says something like, “Oh, them.”
    However, Pina is anti-fascist, hostile to the Germans in Rome and is eventually killed by them.
    In interviews with people from areas recently taken by Russia, resentment of the Ukrainians for making stands in their cities and towns that result in widespread destruction is palpable.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wielgus


    In interviews with people from areas recently taken by Russia, resentment of the Ukrainians for making stands in their cities and towns that result in widespread destruction is palpable.
     
    1. Russians are hardly going to film anti-Russian sentiments.

    2. Around 10%of the pre-war population there was pro-Russians. These are the ones most likely to have stayed behind as the Russians take over.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Wielgus


    However, Pina is anti-fascist, hostile to the Germans in Rome and is eventually killed by them
     
    .

    The analogy then would be that I should die at the hands of Russians or their sympathizers that have "liberated" Mariupol? Also, my supposed "weird understanding of Russian help" within Ukraine seems to be the mainstream one throughout Ukraine. Very recent opinion polls (06/29) taken within Ukraine bear this out:

    An overwhelming share of Ukrainians—some 89%—say it would be unacceptable to reach a peace deal with Moscow by ceding Ukrainian territory that Russian forces have seized in their invasion this year, a new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll finds.

    The survey, conducted in conjunction with a Ukrainian polling firm, also finds that 78% of Ukrainians approve of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s response to the Russian invasion, with only 7% saying he has handled the war poorly.
     
    https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-new-poll-89-of-ukrainians-reject-ceding-land-to-reach-peace-with-russia-11656504002
  1132. LatW says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    (yeah, right, because Ukraine was “occupied” in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too)
     
    There was a Soviet Republic in Kharkiv, by and for the ethnic Russian factory workers there, but otherwise there wasn't much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders. There were nearly as many Latvians among Bolsheviks as there were Ukrainians, and of course no significant Bolshevik Ukrainian military units.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Db7LBKNU0AA9HT9.jpg

    The most that can be said is that some Ukrainians thought the Reds were a lesser evil than the Whites (they were wrong) so they formed temporary alliances with them. The Ukrainian anarchist Makhno did so against Wrangel, but was then bitterly fighting against the Bolsheviks until 1921.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader

    Riga was one of the top most industrialized cities of the Russian Empire. This partly explains why there were many Latvian reds. Plus some Latvians were deliberately recruited. Riga was consistently above any Ukrainian city except Odessa in terms of growth (which went hand in hand with industrialization), at least according to this graph (Riga is orange):

    I’m actually surprised that Kyiv’s population was smaller than Riga’s all the way until the revolution. Would need to check these stats.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @LatW

    And most of those cities are not Russian now.

  1133. @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.
     
    I don't think that's entirely fair.
    If Putin really expected Ukraine to become the bloody meatgrinder that it now is, there would have been far more extensive preparations for a real war, rather than the disastrously failed attempt to decapitate Zelensky's government on the cheap. I'm extremely doubtful Putin (or anyone else in the Kremlin) would have embarked on this adventure had they suspected even a 5th the level of Ukrainian resistance they're now facing. I do think Russia will eventually 'win' over Ukraine, after totally and absolutely failing all political objectives, but it's hard for me to think of a single more phyrric victory in modern times (*cough Germany).

    I don't think this can be construed as a Russophile argument either, since really, as the Russian government revealing itself to be grossly misinformed and incompetent is rather worse than being seen as just malicious. Now both Russia and Ukraine are dragging each other down to the abyss, taking the European economy (who have been quite eager to destroy themselves anyway) down with them. China's revanchist plans have been totally dashed, and it's likely the Caucasus and Middle-East will be on fire again soon. Not to mention another migrant crisis on its way with the collapse in wheat exports.

    It's worth noting that the only country that will unambigiously benefit from virtually all of this is the US. It even has me suspect that American strategy isn't nearly as stupid as it so often appears. I can't see a single foreseeable 'victory' scenario that either Russians or any European country could celebrate.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LondonBob

    I’m extremely doubtful Putin (or anyone else in the Kremlin) would have embarked on this adventure had they suspected even a 5th the level of Ukrainian resistance they’re now facing.

    Obviously, he expected much less resistance but Putin took an extremely bold gamble that included preparing Russia for a possible nuclear confrontation if the West tried to stop him. And once it was clear that the Ukrainian resistance was much stronger than anticipated, the didn’t hesitate for a second to escalate to the level of the wholesale butchery we’re witnessing now. I don’t think it’s unfair to say that people in the Kremlin are not the cool-headed lot that many of us assumed.

    • Agree: German_reader
  1134. @LatW
    @Mikel


    If you’re not confusing me with another commenter you must be saying that because I suggested that Russia’s neighbors may not be too different from the eastern monster.
     
    No, I'm not confusing you with another commenter. Oh, so now you're calling Russia an "eastern monster"? Why eastern, why not just a monster? Interesting. It's hard to understand what you're saying (you're seeming to imply that Russia's Western neighbors' behavior or morality is somehow inferior because it is like Russian? I don't get it). There are both similarities and differences with Russia. Both enjoyable or not so much.


    In Western Europe and the Anglosphere we seem to have finally learned not to slaughter each other (for the time being)
     
    That's only because the interests of the Western countries are generally in line with each others'. It doesn't mean it's because the Westerners are somehow morally or behaviorally superior, it's just because they are not challenged in the way that the EEs are.

    but in this conflict you’ve put the gasoline with your old feuds
     
    No, the "old feuds" (whatever you mean by that) are not the reason for this. The reason is because Russia decided to revise the post-1991 situation. There is no parity right now between Russia and her neighbors so there can't be equal levels of responsibility. So the whole way you're phrasing this is inaccurate.

    we’ve put the matches by stupidly taking sides on those old feuds rather than trying to mediate in them
     
    The West can't mediate because the West is not neutral. And also not capable of really affecting the situation from the mediation point of view. The West doesn't have the power to affect either Putin or the Ukrainian government (much less the public) directly.

    always trying to impose our values and morals of the day on everybody else.
     
    That vibe is coming off of you, too, a lot. You keep going on and on how the Easterners are somehow deficient. That's how that moralizing starts.

    You’ve actually got that right. As soon as someone starts shooting and bombing children like that Ukrainian 6 year old girl that you mentioned, I lose interest in what someone else did before that at a political level. I don’t care.
     
    Don't deliberately circumvent my point. If the Ukrainian statehood had not been attacked (with Western Putinophiles hooting and hollering in support or even worse, closing their eyes to the real deal for decades) then these deaths and all the other types of massive harm would not have occurred.

    Whether you realize it or not, what you’re claiming is that sometimes children need to be killed, depending on the political circumstances
     
    You completely just made that up because you enjoy being passive aggressive. There is nothing there that you somehow realize about my statements more than I do myself. You pretend to be living in a la la land while I'm trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).

    My proposition is that no, there are no such circumstances.
     
    Again, just empty, vague idealism. The children of Donbas died also because of the attack on the Ukrainian statehood. You are avoiding the crux of the matter and hide behind your fake benevolence and "humaneness" to avoid the tough questions here. Had Ukraine's statehood not been challenged, not even verbally, there would be no circumstances where children are dying. And it starts way way before 2014.

    But that doesn’t relieve the “good side” from the obligation to behave decently with innocent people caught the conflict.
     
    Many Ukrainians have gone out of their way to observe norms in these heavy circumstances. They have taken on the expense of holding the bodies of the murderers of their children. And all the while spoiled Western Putinophiles are trashing them.

    Speaking of treating people decently, are you aware of what is going on in the occupied Mariupol right now? People are drinking from puddles and eating pigeons. The bodies of the killed are left under the rubble or shoveled with the rubble into pits. I really, really hope this last piece of info that I heard is not true. How was it ok to reduce the people of Mariupol to that state?


    I grew up listening to those arguments in my home country and they were still hotly debating them when I left but no political argumentation ever made the killing of innocent people any more palatable to me, especially after having witnessed the act in real life.
     
    Well, what are you saying, that you saw a person killed in front of your eyes?

    You carry a lot of baggage from your country but then you accuse EEs of "having old feuds".Which we really don't. We just wanted to move on from what a bunch senile jerks thought they have the right to impose on us.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Mikel

    You pretend to be living in a la la land while I’m trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).

    I’m not planning to spend much time this weekend discussing matters that are old and tired for me but perhaps I haven’t understood you. Many children were killed, injured or brutally rendered orphans under Ukrainian (and to a lesser extent Russian) bombs in Donbass during 2014-2015.

    Are you saying that this was an inevitable consequence of Ukraine fulfilling its duties as a sovereign state or are you agreeing with me that no f*cking sovereign duties justify that horrendous toll? Easy and straightforward question meant only to clarify personal stances.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    Are you saying that this was an inevitable consequence of Ukraine fulfilling its duties as a sovereign state or are you agreeing with me that no sovereign duties justify that horrendous toll?
     
    Ukraine's sovereign borders and statehood were attacked and this caused the deaths of the children. Then and now. It's very simple (if one doesn't pretend to be dense).

    Replies: @Mikel

  1135. @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    Dmitry is posting unboxing videos again. The world is healing.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    It was a funny Stockholm unboxer as well. I’m not sure if he has good taste, or just follows too much hype in Sweden.

    He has a $200,000 Patek Philippe Nautilus and OG 1989 Air Jordans. He has Genelec studio monitors. But he also collects 1990s American cars, which seemed more eccentric.

    Is there a lot of hype for Corvettes in Sweden?

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    @Dmitry

    Swedes have a weird thing for American cars, go to Stockholm in the summer at the right time you will see lots of classic fifties American cars, as I assume there must be some event for them then.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  1136. AP says:
    @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Definitely Russian-speaking. Not Ukrainian.
    As to the weird understanding of "help from Russia" by Mr Hack, there is a scene in the Italian neo-realist film Rome Open City (1945) where someone asks Pina, one of the main characters, when the American liberators will arrive. She glances at a bomb-damaged building and says something like, "Oh, them."
    However, Pina is anti-fascist, hostile to the Germans in Rome and is eventually killed by them.
    In interviews with people from areas recently taken by Russia, resentment of the Ukrainians for making stands in their cities and towns that result in widespread destruction is palpable.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    In interviews with people from areas recently taken by Russia, resentment of the Ukrainians for making stands in their cities and towns that result in widespread destruction is palpable.

    1. Russians are hardly going to film anti-Russian sentiments.

    2. Around 10%of the pre-war population there was pro-Russians. These are the ones most likely to have stayed behind as the Russians take over.

  1137. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Just because I live the life of a single bachelor, doesn't mean that I want to create a wire jungle in my listening room (actually it's called an "Arizona room" in Arizona, really). I currently own two old, large speakers, that work quite well. I got them along with the house that I live in, along with an amplifier, and they seem to work pretty good, at least for my purposes. As I told you once before (I don't think that you read my reply, it was quite lengthy, and you never acknowledged it), I am acquainted with audiophile systems, as a friend of mine owns two quite excellent systems including old, Bng and Olufson speakers. The speakers that I currently own are called 'Technics sb-2460", I think that they were originally made by Panasonic. Nothing to brag about, but they still work pretty good, and they provide decent separation,

    https://file.chodocu.com//2017/07/21/03e75c42-bbb6-4566-9-a63a.jpg

    Replies: @Dmitry

    They look kind of cool. And at least they were made in Japan. . What is the amplifier? Maybe you can create a home cinema system.

    If your CD player died, I would connect the amplifier to computer with something https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UMC22--behringer-u-phoria-umc22-usb-audio-interface

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Glad that you're becoming a sort of an audiophile in your own right, and have an interest in old stereo equipment. I should have described the "amplifier" as a "receiver", because that's what it was called back in the 1980's when I bought it. Back in the day, a "receiver" was usually an important bit of stereophonic equipment that wa encased in a rectangular black box and included an amplifier, AM/FM radio and all manner of switches that would allow the listener to adjust the sound (balance, volume, base, treble etc). It might also include inputs for headphones too. The back of the receiver would be where you would screw in the wires to connect the speakers and also the turntable, tape player and CD player. Tape players were actually a big deal back then, as cassette tapes had evolved to produce a high quality sound that even rivaled the quality of its predecessor, the reel to reel tape player (really quite excellent sound). Another advantage of the cassette system was how inexpensive tapes were, allowing the collector to quickly build an impressive library of performances.

    I even wonder whether "receivers" are even used or produced much these days? The receiver that I own is about 40 years old and was made by Zenith. Still works pretty good. I don't really understand the exact function of a Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 USB Audio Interface system, but at $59 its certainly affordable. I suspect that its designed to capture the music provided by streaming stations like Spotify?...

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1138. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    You pretend to be living in a la la land while I’m trying to tackle the real issue here (which is much harder).
     
    I'm not planning to spend much time this weekend discussing matters that are old and tired for me but perhaps I haven't understood you. Many children were killed, injured or brutally rendered orphans under Ukrainian (and to a lesser extent Russian) bombs in Donbass during 2014-2015.

    Are you saying that this was an inevitable consequence of Ukraine fulfilling its duties as a sovereign state or are you agreeing with me that no f*cking sovereign duties justify that horrendous toll? Easy and straightforward question meant only to clarify personal stances.

    Replies: @LatW

    Are you saying that this was an inevitable consequence of Ukraine fulfilling its duties as a sovereign state or are you agreeing with me that no sovereign duties justify that horrendous toll?

    Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood were attacked and this caused the deaths of the children. Then and now. It’s very simple (if one doesn’t pretend to be dense).

    • Replies: @Mikel
    @LatW


    Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood were attacked and this caused the deaths of the children.
     
    I understand your reluctance to put it in clear words but obviously you think that the soldiers and pilots who shot the bombs knowing that civilians were going to be smashed under them were justified to do so (in order to defend Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood).

    We are of course in total disagreement. But I've had this kind of conversation many times before so I'm not surprised in the slightest to see that you are choosing to attack me instead of the many commenters here who do support the Russian invasion.

    People in medieval times would think that something like the Geneva Convention (that actually allows shooting at civilians areas under very strict circumstances) was a la-la-land fantasy. In this time and age I don't think it should be so utopic to write a new international agreement with much broader limits to what countries are allowed to do in case of war. It would just be a reflection of what most ordinary people in the world think after all: that killing innocent people is never justified. That's why we all have laws forbidding it in our criminal codes.

    Replies: @LatW

  1139. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    It was a funny Stockholm unboxer as well. I'm not sure if he has good taste, or just follows too much hype in Sweden.

    He has a $200,000 Patek Philippe Nautilus and OG 1989 Air Jordans. He has Genelec studio monitors. But he also collects 1990s American cars, which seemed more eccentric.

    Is there a lot of hype for Corvettes in Sweden?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NavtYk1cPWc&t=489s

    Replies: @LondonBob

    Swedes have a weird thing for American cars, go to Stockholm in the summer at the right time you will see lots of classic fifties American cars, as I assume there must be some event for them then.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @LondonBob

    You're thinking of raggare. It's a subculture that sprang out from the white working-class and is generally perceived as low status. Quite distinct from the urbanite consoomer that Dmitry is following.

    They typically have big get-togethers a few times per year and it's possible you caught the glimpse of one. Generally speaking they are more numerous in rural and poorer areas, but sometimes they go to the cities to "demonstrate" their presence and rub salt into the wounds of effete metropolitan liberals.

    https://i.imgur.com/psGRAmT.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/SbdBBHO.jpg

    Raggare being talked about pejoratively of course has an element of class elitism at play but there are also idpol reasons. The flying of the confederate flag is not unheard at these events. It's ironic that both opposing groups are so thoroughly Americanised that they are importing a cultural clash from the US and LARPing for their respective side. Pretty pathetic IMO.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  1140. @Yevardian
    @Mikel


    Russians are objectively dangerous, not the kind of people to mess around with, although fortunately they also appear to be much weaker militarily than most people thought. However, we all also thought until recently that the Kremlin was occupied by cool-headed people and it turned out that they were just waiting for the right time to unleash a bloodbath.
     
    I don't think that's entirely fair.
    If Putin really expected Ukraine to become the bloody meatgrinder that it now is, there would have been far more extensive preparations for a real war, rather than the disastrously failed attempt to decapitate Zelensky's government on the cheap. I'm extremely doubtful Putin (or anyone else in the Kremlin) would have embarked on this adventure had they suspected even a 5th the level of Ukrainian resistance they're now facing. I do think Russia will eventually 'win' over Ukraine, after totally and absolutely failing all political objectives, but it's hard for me to think of a single more phyrric victory in modern times (*cough Germany).

    I don't think this can be construed as a Russophile argument either, since really, as the Russian government revealing itself to be grossly misinformed and incompetent is rather worse than being seen as just malicious. Now both Russia and Ukraine are dragging each other down to the abyss, taking the European economy (who have been quite eager to destroy themselves anyway) down with them. China's revanchist plans have been totally dashed, and it's likely the Caucasus and Middle-East will be on fire again soon. Not to mention another migrant crisis on its way with the collapse in wheat exports.

    It's worth noting that the only country that will unambigiously benefit from virtually all of this is the US. It even has me suspect that American strategy isn't nearly as stupid as it so often appears. I can't see a single foreseeable 'victory' scenario that either Russians or any European country could celebrate.

    Replies: @Mikel, @LondonBob

    As Putin explained in his talk with the Russian commercial pilots at the outset of the war they were well aware of how dug in the occupying Ukrainian forces were in the Donbass, hence why a frontal support wouldn’t have worked and thus the need for a more widespread attack. I would say they weren’t anticipating the level of sanctions, they thought the Jews in the State Department weren’t crazy, for some reason, but then NATO wasn’t thinking the sanctions would last as they thought Russia would collapse within a few days.

    Russia will come out of this much stronger, diplomatically, economically and militarily, they have proven their strength. The reintegration of the Donbass will have long term benefits.

    The rest of Europe and the US have been significantly weakened. China’s position in Asia has been greatly strengthened, the non aligned will not be lining up with the US.

  1141. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Besides, continuity will ensure that the Haredis will get the last laugh. Who’s the dumb one of the two groups?
     
    Point taken, but some people predict economic cataclysm.

    “Practical experience” will change depending on the circumstances and even on personal preferences. It’s a useless metric.
     
    More meant to be a mode of living or social prescription than a metric.

    The endgoal ought to be men competing who read the most books
     
    I consider that I've probably read a fair amount of books.

    Honestly, it is probably mostly a waste of time. Average book is trash. A few times, I've found small bits of inspiration, but I think I was probably smartest, when I avoided reading books, but had the plasticity and imagination of youth. Right now we are warehousing young minds, and IMO, it is a huge mistake.

    But I disfavor your metric as it suggests that you get points for reading cover to cover, and you shouldn't ever try to look at the index or even drop the book into the fire. And in a way it strikes me as passive consumerism. Maybe, there is value in attempting creative endeavors, even scribbling that can't be found in books.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Having poor taste in books is not an argument against reading. There’s also a weird false choice you set up between reading and creating. Both can and should happen. Done right, they can reinforce each other.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    Fundamentally, I think you are not acknowledging how there's severe limits to what people can memorize.

    If you acknowledge those limits, then the value of spending hours reading, drops considerably. It may still have value, for the novelty and the inspiration it can cause, but those are mainly tangents, useless if you don't turn them into something.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  1142. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    Just out of curiosity, do I understand correctly that this is some sort of annalistic source from an abbey connected to the clan?
     
    The clue about the chief's residence mentioned in the 1400s was a clue from what is considered the most general annals of Ireland, sometimes called the Annals of the Four Masters. It was drawn from a variety of different sources, which I don't believe are clear in every case (and it has been suggested that they disregarded details), but, none of the major annals (including different histories) referenced the events at the inauguration hill.

    Some events of the clan are recorded in another set of general annals, not remotely close to where they happened, but not put into what has formed the more general annals.

    A shortform reference to the inauguration hill was written in some mass calendar of the local abbey. It was written that the two brothers were slain there, and their father's name was mentioned. No other details.

    But I was able to realize that another document, a legal document of the English, also referred to the two brothers. One key to identifying them was Irish naming conventions which often included a patronymic. Another key was understanding how different forms of names were used in Church documents. This did not give the place where they were killed or even the year, but mentioned the names of their killers. Unclear about what original language was used, but the English word was "murdered."

    This legal document had nothing to do with the family directly, but provided some level of details about them, including their address, the wedding gifts one brother received, and an evaluation of his lifestyle by a maid in his castle. My single source for connecting a genealogy to this clan, as it mentioned the castle coming into possession of the granddaughter of the chief, and through her marriage to a Norman family. (My previous source for connecting to the castle was a distant grave that mentioned the place, and had a duel coat of arms on it - haven't been able to trace the other side of it, due to lack of clues)

    The document was about a court case between two branches of the Geraldines, (possibly the most powerful Norman family in Ireland) and which side had a more legitimate claim on the old earl's property. Elderly witnesses were produced some 60 years after events, to testify one branch was illegitimate. One man was close to 100 and couldn't travel, but swore his testimony to a reputable witness.

    This illegitimacy was related to my ancestor's brother. By a certain claim, he had abducted his wife, the daughter of the chief of a powerful neighboring Irish clan. By another claim he had been offered her as part of an alliance, with a lot of marriage goods, and married her with a lot of witnesses, and she had run away (or reading between the lines, possibly been abducted, though her friends were said to disrepute her) by a Norman man, uncle of the Earl. Later executed, along with his other brothers, after the rebellion of their nephew Silken Thomas. But he fathered three sons with her.

    I don't know whether it should be looked at like the Normans cucking the native Irish, but I do wonder if my ancestor and his brother would have been killed, if it hadn't happened, and whether his alliance with her father would have carried the day. (the illegitimates won the case, but they had already been given the property).

    To go into more details, in case you are interested: Some years earlier two of their brothers had been dragged by their uncle (call him uncle 1, that is I have supposed the relationship) and his party out of the local church and slain. Interesting, as their common ancestors were buried in the church. Again, no reference in the general annals.

    (I've wondered quite a bit, if antagonisms like these were common among people with different female descent, different wives and mothers, but the same male descent. No clues as to what was the case here, but, of course, many women died in childbirth.)

    Some years previous to the church killings of the two brothers, their father, then chief, had been killed in his own castle by unspecified relatives. (in the general annals, not in the local one, unless the date differs, as I think it might, but it is missing pages, and if the date is given the year is missing one digit, and off by one year) At the time of this killing, my ancestor and his brother were probably being fostered somewhere else - such as is the ancient Irish custom, children were sent away at an early age. (happened up to the time of the statesman Daniel O'Connell, who was the landlord of my family.)

    This murdered chief was succeeded by a one-eyed man, who I infer was his brother (call him uncle 2). One-eye's son and a bald man who I suspect was part of the roydammna of a neighboring clan, killed the two brothers at the hill. Later, One-eye's son was involved with some individual of this other clan, in killing the chief of this other clan, in his own castle, though he was an old man, and blind.

    Subsequent to these events, the son of One-eye was made an outlaw, and it was forbidden for anyone to help him.

    One-eye was later killed by his brother and nephew (definite on the relationship). But a different brother succeeded him - the man who had dragged the two brothers, probably his nephews, from the church and killed them. There is a funny contrast here. In recording the brothers murdered at the church, the locals wrote something like "Lord, have mercy on his soul." (the killer's) When he eventually died (when chief), they were pretty laconic, but the more general, national annals give a glowing account of him.

    Uncle 1 or 2, I forget which, had a son that was a prior at a different abbey, who was killed in the abbey.

    I guess that is blood tanistry for you. Sometimes, it seems like it worked pretty well. I once mentioned a clan that had about 23 of their leading men killed at the dinner table by Normans who invited them to dinner. About a 100 years later, they made a comeback in a pretty big way, often threatening the Pale. One of their chiefs being given the nickname "of the defeats" for the way he dealt them out.

    Another thing I have wondered about is whether the English really destabilized the system of tanistry, by making alliances with competing claims. There is some indication for this in the general annals, though I think it is fair to say a lot of the blood spilling didn't require their help.

    IMO, tanistry was a really interesting system because it virtually guaranteed patriarchal rule. Was very resistant to line extinction. (Many Irish families traced an older lineage than royal houses in Europe) And it also seemed to guarantee some level of ability. Primogeniture, while perhaps more stable in certain respects, really is a roll of the dice.

    Replies: @German_reader

    IMO, tanistry was a really interesting system because it virtually guaranteed patriarchal rule.

    Sounds pretty violent though 🙂
    You seem to have given this a lot of thought and done quite a bit of research, I’m impressed. These genealogical relationships and the violence associated with them are pretty interesting as social history. You should definitely look into contacting some local historical society and deposing your findings with them.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Sounds pretty violent though
     
    Hugh O'Neill is generally considered to have murdered his cousin. By one tradition hanging him from a Hawthorn tree with his bare hands.

    BTW, I recently reread this part of the story, being familiar with it years ago, and I am glad I did because it contains an element I never considered. Apparently, the election of the tanist was influenced a lot by what marriage alliance he had, and its perceived power.

    I believe that the father of the wife of the man murdered on the hill was easily chief of the most powerful local clan. And they did have one daughter, before she left him. The daughter had a nickname something like "of the taen" which I think is probably derived from the word "tanist", meaning "second."

    I do wonder how many of these general details about bloody feuds are missing from Irish history.

    LOL. Maybe, AP has gotten to me, but I was just thinking about monarchy and how the current ones all seem to suck, and how to make one better. I figure that modern childbirth science would lead the mothers to survive, making the relationships closer and tanistry more viable. Furthermore, psychometric testing might be a way to help choose the best candidate, and they could fight out their differences in simulated warfare or something.

    Replies: @German_reader

  1143. @LondonBob
    @Dmitry

    Swedes have a weird thing for American cars, go to Stockholm in the summer at the right time you will see lots of classic fifties American cars, as I assume there must be some event for them then.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    You’re thinking of raggare. It’s a subculture that sprang out from the white working-class and is generally perceived as low status. Quite distinct from the urbanite consoomer that Dmitry is following.

    They typically have big get-togethers a few times per year and it’s possible you caught the glimpse of one. Generally speaking they are more numerous in rural and poorer areas, but sometimes they go to the cities to “demonstrate” their presence and rub salt into the wounds of effete metropolitan liberals.


    Raggare being talked about pejoratively of course has an element of class elitism at play but there are also idpol reasons. The flying of the confederate flag is not unheard at these events. It’s ironic that both opposing groups are so thoroughly Americanised that they are importing a cultural clash from the US and LARPing for their respective side. Pretty pathetic IMO.

    • LOL: Yevardian, AP
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Do you think Swedish people might have a special taste for cars from America?

    That's a very conformist Swedish hypebeast for his watches, hi-fi, sneakers (e.g. Patek Philippe, Rolex, Genelec, etc).

    But has a garage full of the 1990s Corvettes. At least he didn't go to the 1950s like some Swedish car fans.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGkQPiOhHrk

  1144. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    (yeah, right, because Ukraine was “occupied” in the same way as Latvia was, as if there hadn’t been plenty of Ukrainian supporters of the Soviet system too)
     
    There was a Soviet Republic in Kharkiv, by and for the ethnic Russian factory workers there, but otherwise there wasn't much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders. There were nearly as many Latvians among Bolsheviks as there were Ukrainians, and of course no significant Bolshevik Ukrainian military units.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Db7LBKNU0AA9HT9.jpg

    The most that can be said is that some Ukrainians thought the Reds were a lesser evil than the Whites (they were wrong) so they formed temporary alliances with them. The Ukrainian anarchist Makhno did so against Wrangel, but was then bitterly fighting against the Bolsheviks until 1921.

    Replies: @LatW, @German_reader

    but otherwise there wasn’t much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders.

    I was thinking more of the 1930s and 1940s, to me it seems like a misrepresentation to pretend that Ukraine then was “occupied” by the Soviets, as if there hadn’t been any Ukrainian support for the Soviet system at all (even if there was a contrast between the more Russian/Russophone cities and the Ukrainian countryside). I don’t think the situation was quite the same then as in Latvia, where communism clearly lacked any appeal among Latvians by 1940.
    But thanks for the table, also shows again that ethnic Germans in the Soviet Union were one of the biggest victim groups of a system to which they hadn’t contributed much.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    I was thinking more of the 1930s and 1940s, to me it seems like a misrepresentation to pretend that Ukraine then was “occupied” by the Soviets
     
    In the early 1930s it was still mostly Russians, Jews and an occasional Latvian in charge in Ukraine. These are the ones who broke the back of the peasantry by starving millions to death. Ukrainians started coming in, in the late 1930s IIRC. But still, this had the quality of local Poles, Balts, etc. in the Cold War era Soviet pact. Still an occupation, as evidenced by mass desertions and greeting German soldiers with bread and salt at the beginning of German invasion (the Nazis squandered this good will by being even worse than the late 30s/early 40s Soviet regime). I think central and Eastern Ukrainians did not make peace with Soviet rule until after World War II. Galicians, who weren't treated that poorly by the Germans and thus had no advantage from Soviet rule, never did.
  1145. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    read AP’s comments
     
    Lol how would this be an argument, using representative samples? AP's from New England. He's probably become almost like a white person, with an anglosaxon lifestyle. Neither Obama's view would be representative of the Kenyan slums, between driving his daughters to Harvard University. Having blood from a third world country is not conveying viewpoint and difficult life experiences of the local population that actually has to live there.

    super-powerful Polish-Ukrainian bloc
     
    Poles were not usually fans of Ukraine, at least before this year. Of course, after this year, everyone in developed countries loves Ukraine. Ukraine became the world's most fashionable country. Not just Poland, wants to be friends with Ukraine.

    With its current government, in normal year, Poland should manage to annoy all its neighbors in Europe for domestic consumption. This year, Europe and America will be politically converging more with Poland, as Poland always hates Russia, and since February other European countries are following there. I guess Poland has just become more mainstream with the Europeans for a short time. After the war ends, you can predict their government will find excuses to argue with neighbors again, often in something connected with the Second World War.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    What’s not to love about Poland? They detest homosexuals and have exterminated 99.9% of the Jews.

    Saint John Paul the Great. The only man in the history of the universe they started the paperwork on his sainthood before his corpse even began to cool off. It was almost complete before his hair and fingernails stopped growing.

    Lovely sheepdog!

    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  1146. @Wielgus
    @German_reader

    Ironically Ukrainian tactics seems to be more like WW2 Soviet ones than those used by the Russians. Blocking troops to prevent retreats and a considerable lack of regard for their own casualties. Tardiness in pulling out of potential cauldrons seems to be another one, and the number of Ukrainian POWs in Russian hands is far higher than that of Russians in Ukrainian hands, at least partly because the Ukrainians did not get out of encirclements until it was too late.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @AP

    I think I was the first commenter to note that so far as WW2 analogies go the Ukrainians are fighting like the Soviets and the Russians like the Brits.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, I recall reading something to that effect you wrote. My impression of it has only grown stronger since then. The Ukrainians add a Nazi-style belief in Wunderwaffen saving their asses. In this case coming from NATO.
    I am inclined to feel at this point that if the Russians committed more troops and thereby risked more casualties the Ukrainian position would erode faster. So far at least the Russians are not going down that road.

  1147. @German_reader
    @songbird


    IMO, tanistry was a really interesting system because it virtually guaranteed patriarchal rule.
     
    Sounds pretty violent though :-)
    You seem to have given this a lot of thought and done quite a bit of research, I'm impressed. These genealogical relationships and the violence associated with them are pretty interesting as social history. You should definitely look into contacting some local historical society and deposing your findings with them.

    Replies: @songbird

    Sounds pretty violent though

    Hugh O’Neill is generally considered to have murdered his cousin. By one tradition hanging him from a Hawthorn tree with his bare hands.

    BTW, I recently reread this part of the story, being familiar with it years ago, and I am glad I did because it contains an element I never considered. Apparently, the election of the tanist was influenced a lot by what marriage alliance he had, and its perceived power.

    I believe that the father of the wife of the man murdered on the hill was easily chief of the most powerful local clan. And they did have one daughter, before she left him. The daughter had a nickname something like “of the taen” which I think is probably derived from the word “tanist”, meaning “second.”

    I do wonder how many of these general details about bloody feuds are missing from Irish history.

    LOL. Maybe, AP has gotten to me, but I was just thinking about monarchy and how the current ones all seem to suck, and how to make one better. I figure that modern childbirth science would lead the mothers to survive, making the relationships closer and tanistry more viable. Furthermore, psychometric testing might be a way to help choose the best candidate, and they could fight out their differences in simulated warfare or something.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Apparently, the election of the tanist was influenced a lot by what marriage alliance he had, and its perceived power.
     
    Makes sense. Pretty interesting system in any case, as you imply one can certainly see the advantages compared to other forms of monarchy...at least in theory it should have ensured the suitability of the next king (so no inbred imbecile like the last of the Spanish Habsburgs) and also led to stability, because the succession was already established during the life time of the previous king. Almost a bit like the "good" adoptive emperors in 2nd century Rome. But I suppose the power of ambition and rivalry even among close relatives was just too strong.

    Replies: @songbird

  1148. @AP
    @songbird


    AP’s from New England.

    Don’t believe he ever said so. Could be wrong.
     
    I did not say so. I said I am generically from somewhere the Northeast (could be New England, or could be New York State).

    Replies: @songbird

    Not sure Dmitry would have such an idyllic view of Harvard, if he had ever walked through the square and been accosted by the many aggressive panhandlers who inhabit it, or at least who did last time I was in the area.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I walked through Harvard Square in the morning many years ago, only to see a small crowd that had gathered and that was busy pointing out an unfortunate drug addict going through withdrawal symptoms, identifying the unfortunate one as being one of the "Kennedys". The place was interesting at night, where you could always find an interesting party to attend, see a colorful European film at one of the arthouses, or generally go out and eat and drink at some small cafeteria or bar. For an outsider from the Midwest, it had all of the ingredients to fuel an appetite for the bohemian lifestyle one only could hear about back home. All except for the withdrawal symptoms.

    Replies: @songbird

  1149. @Wielgus
    @Mikhail

    Definitely Russian-speaking. Not Ukrainian.
    As to the weird understanding of "help from Russia" by Mr Hack, there is a scene in the Italian neo-realist film Rome Open City (1945) where someone asks Pina, one of the main characters, when the American liberators will arrive. She glances at a bomb-damaged building and says something like, "Oh, them."
    However, Pina is anti-fascist, hostile to the Germans in Rome and is eventually killed by them.
    In interviews with people from areas recently taken by Russia, resentment of the Ukrainians for making stands in their cities and towns that result in widespread destruction is palpable.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

    However, Pina is anti-fascist, hostile to the Germans in Rome and is eventually killed by them

    .

    The analogy then would be that I should die at the hands of Russians or their sympathizers that have “liberated” Mariupol? Also, my supposed “weird understanding of Russian help” within Ukraine seems to be the mainstream one throughout Ukraine. Very recent opinion polls (06/29) taken within Ukraine bear this out:

    An overwhelming share of Ukrainians—some 89%—say it would be unacceptable to reach a peace deal with Moscow by ceding Ukrainian territory that Russian forces have seized in their invasion this year, a new Wall Street Journal-NORC poll finds.

    The survey, conducted in conjunction with a Ukrainian polling firm, also finds that 78% of Ukrainians approve of President Volodymyr Zelensky’s response to the Russian invasion, with only 7% saying he has handled the war poorly.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-new-poll-89-of-ukrainians-reject-ceding-land-to-reach-peace-with-russia-11656504002

  1150. @Wielgus
    @songbird

    A work colleague had a girl friend who was Jewish or half-Jewish. I met her a couple of times, quite secularised. I asked my colleague what she thought of the Haredi Jews in say, Stamford Hill. He said she thought they were "inbred".

    Replies: @songbird

    It might be true, but it could also be a weird psychological quirk of the Ashkenazim.

    I think a more internationalist mindset encourages a culture of calling people inbred.

    I once saw an SNL skit that I found pretty offensive. It seemed to say that Irish people were all having sex with their cousins, and I really attributed it to Jewish influence or culture, meant to promote globalism. Historically, there is practically zero basis for the claim, with me never having seen a first cousin marriage among peasants in a Irish Catholic register. And Jews in fact being more inbred than the average.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @songbird

    One thing I took from it was that Jews do not all live the same way and do not necessarily like each other. She was good-looking, stylishly dressed, had bright blue eyes and some connection to London theatreland and show business. Quite a different lifestyle from the Haredim I see around Stamford Hill, many of whom look like something out of Fiddler On The Roof and who often appear not to get much sunlight even by London standards.

  1151. @songbird
    @AP

    Not sure Dmitry would have such an idyllic view of Harvard, if he had ever walked through the square and been accosted by the many aggressive panhandlers who inhabit it, or at least who did last time I was in the area.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I walked through Harvard Square in the morning many years ago, only to see a small crowd that had gathered and that was busy pointing out an unfortunate drug addict going through withdrawal symptoms, identifying the unfortunate one as being one of the “Kennedys”. The place was interesting at night, where you could always find an interesting party to attend, see a colorful European film at one of the arthouses, or generally go out and eat and drink at some small cafeteria or bar. For an outsider from the Midwest, it had all of the ingredients to fuel an appetite for the bohemian lifestyle one only could hear about back home. All except for the withdrawal symptoms.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    They used to have a newsstand there with many foreign papers. Only thing that appealed to me, but it has been superseded by the internet.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1152. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Wielgus

    I think I was the first commenter to note that so far as WW2 analogies go the Ukrainians are fighting like the Soviets and the Russians like the Brits.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Yes, I recall reading something to that effect you wrote. My impression of it has only grown stronger since then. The Ukrainians add a Nazi-style belief in Wunderwaffen saving their asses. In this case coming from NATO.
    I am inclined to feel at this point that if the Russians committed more troops and thereby risked more casualties the Ukrainian position would erode faster. So far at least the Russians are not going down that road.

  1153. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    They look kind of cool. And at least they were made in Japan. . What is the amplifier? Maybe you can create a home cinema system.

    If your CD player died, I would connect the amplifier to computer with something https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UMC22--behringer-u-phoria-umc22-usb-audio-interface

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Glad that you’re becoming a sort of an audiophile in your own right, and have an interest in old stereo equipment. I should have described the “amplifier” as a “receiver”, because that’s what it was called back in the 1980’s when I bought it. Back in the day, a “receiver” was usually an important bit of stereophonic equipment that wa encased in a rectangular black box and included an amplifier, AM/FM radio and all manner of switches that would allow the listener to adjust the sound (balance, volume, base, treble etc). It might also include inputs for headphones too. The back of the receiver would be where you would screw in the wires to connect the speakers and also the turntable, tape player and CD player. Tape players were actually a big deal back then, as cassette tapes had evolved to produce a high quality sound that even rivaled the quality of its predecessor, the reel to reel tape player (really quite excellent sound). Another advantage of the cassette system was how inexpensive tapes were, allowing the collector to quickly build an impressive library of performances.

    I even wonder whether “receivers” are even used or produced much these days? The receiver that I own is about 40 years old and was made by Zenith. Still works pretty good. I don’t really understand the exact function of a Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 USB Audio Interface system, but at $59 its certainly affordable. I suspect that its designed to capture the music provided by streaming stations like Spotify?…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack


    function of a Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 USB Audio Interface
     
    We can use audio interface to connect a computer (by USB) to the amplifier. You would need the TS to RCA cable and insert TS cables in the audio interface and then RCA cable inserted to the amplifier.

    Then you can play music from your computer to your hi-fi. You can use e.g. https://www.exactaudiocopy.de to move all your CD collection to your computer hard drive as FLAC files. Then you can play the files and they will sound the same as from your CD player.

    With audio interfaces, you could also connect your guitar, synthesizer, microphone to your computer. This is what the front of the audio interface is for.

    The negative side, would be you need to turn on a computer (with its distraction) in order to play music, whereas a traditional CD player you can enjoy without computer distraction. But the CD players break and as you said you wanted a carousel one which don't sell much nowadays.


    I suspect that its designed to capture the music provided by streaming stations like Spotify?…

     

    It doesn't stream music, but just connects your personal computer to the amplifier. You could use spotify on your computer.

    A streamer might be a better idea for you (as you don't need to turn on your computer to play music).


    receiver” was usually an important bit of stereophonic equipment that wa encased in a rectangular black box a.. I own is about 40 years old and was made by Zenith
     
    Yes they still exist, but it's the amplifier which you use (unless listening to radio).

    It would have RCA input in the back, so you could connect it to computer via audio interface, the same as how you connect your CD player in the back.

    But you probably wouldn't connect it direct to the television, without a DAC onboard (more modern receivers include the DAC), as more modern TV often only has digital output.


    becoming a sort of an audiophile in your own right, and have an interest in old stereo equipment.

     

    Old equipment is really interesting, but personally I don't collect it. I have difficulty storing just my new equipment. It already looks like scientist laboratory.
    Remember I had the same discussion with you 4 years ago
  1154. @songbird
    @Wielgus

    It might be true, but it could also be a weird psychological quirk of the Ashkenazim.

    I think a more internationalist mindset encourages a culture of calling people inbred.

    I once saw an SNL skit that I found pretty offensive. It seemed to say that Irish people were all having sex with their cousins, and I really attributed it to Jewish influence or culture, meant to promote globalism. Historically, there is practically zero basis for the claim, with me never having seen a first cousin marriage among peasants in a Irish Catholic register. And Jews in fact being more inbred than the average.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    One thing I took from it was that Jews do not all live the same way and do not necessarily like each other. She was good-looking, stylishly dressed, had bright blue eyes and some connection to London theatreland and show business. Quite a different lifestyle from the Haredim I see around Stamford Hill, many of whom look like something out of Fiddler On The Roof and who often appear not to get much sunlight even by London standards.

    • Thanks: songbird
  1155. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I walked through Harvard Square in the morning many years ago, only to see a small crowd that had gathered and that was busy pointing out an unfortunate drug addict going through withdrawal symptoms, identifying the unfortunate one as being one of the "Kennedys". The place was interesting at night, where you could always find an interesting party to attend, see a colorful European film at one of the arthouses, or generally go out and eat and drink at some small cafeteria or bar. For an outsider from the Midwest, it had all of the ingredients to fuel an appetite for the bohemian lifestyle one only could hear about back home. All except for the withdrawal symptoms.

    Replies: @songbird

    They used to have a newsstand there with many foreign papers. Only thing that appealed to me, but it has been superseded by the internet.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I once met a young guy from the area. whose job it was to be a caretaker for a large home that was normally used by Harvard professors to entertain. The professors were all gone during the summer months, so it was his house for that period of time. He would throw these parties at night and had free reign over the ingredients within the kitchen: duck, pheasant, steaks, chops etc (no kidding). He also had free reign over the well stocked bar too (I hope that he was also in charge of purchasing duties too!). Well, word got out that he liked to party and he would naturally attract guests for his parties, usually not more than about 10 attendees, including a lot of nice looking "chicks" too. Things never really got out of hand and we'd all have a great time. I even elevated my drinking habits from beer to scotch and cognac. What was there not to like? :-)

    Replies: @songbird

  1156. AP says:
    @Wielgus
    @German_reader

    Ironically Ukrainian tactics seems to be more like WW2 Soviet ones than those used by the Russians. Blocking troops to prevent retreats and a considerable lack of regard for their own casualties. Tardiness in pulling out of potential cauldrons seems to be another one, and the number of Ukrainian POWs in Russian hands is far higher than that of Russians in Ukrainian hands, at least partly because the Ukrainians did not get out of encirclements until it was too late.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @AP

    You have it backwards. Ukrainian tactics involve its military which has been organised in a decentralised way, with independent NCOs and local commanders making more decisions. This is completely different from the centralised Soviet approach still used by the Russians. Ukraine is using modern tactics while Russians are using Soviet ones. The only caveat is that it seems that at times political leaders have overruled local commanders to commit to some point too long.

    Getting caught in encirclements by not retreating soon enough was a German specialty, although the Ukrainian circumstances here have been exaggerated by the Russians.

  1157. AP says:
    @German_reader
    @AP


    but otherwise there wasn’t much support for the Bolsheviks and very few significant ethnic Ukrainian Bolshevik leaders.
     
    I was thinking more of the 1930s and 1940s, to me it seems like a misrepresentation to pretend that Ukraine then was "occupied" by the Soviets, as if there hadn't been any Ukrainian support for the Soviet system at all (even if there was a contrast between the more Russian/Russophone cities and the Ukrainian countryside). I don't think the situation was quite the same then as in Latvia, where communism clearly lacked any appeal among Latvians by 1940.
    But thanks for the table, also shows again that ethnic Germans in the Soviet Union were one of the biggest victim groups of a system to which they hadn't contributed much.

    Replies: @AP

    I was thinking more of the 1930s and 1940s, to me it seems like a misrepresentation to pretend that Ukraine then was “occupied” by the Soviets

    In the early 1930s it was still mostly Russians, Jews and an occasional Latvian in charge in Ukraine. These are the ones who broke the back of the peasantry by starving millions to death. Ukrainians started coming in, in the late 1930s IIRC. But still, this had the quality of local Poles, Balts, etc. in the Cold War era Soviet pact. Still an occupation, as evidenced by mass desertions and greeting German soldiers with bread and salt at the beginning of German invasion (the Nazis squandered this good will by being even worse than the late 30s/early 40s Soviet regime). I think central and Eastern Ukrainians did not make peace with Soviet rule until after World War II. Galicians, who weren’t treated that poorly by the Germans and thus had no advantage from Soviet rule, never did.

  1158. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    They used to have a newsstand there with many foreign papers. Only thing that appealed to me, but it has been superseded by the internet.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I once met a young guy from the area. whose job it was to be a caretaker for a large home that was normally used by Harvard professors to entertain. The professors were all gone during the summer months, so it was his house for that period of time. He would throw these parties at night and had free reign over the ingredients within the kitchen: duck, pheasant, steaks, chops etc (no kidding). He also had free reign over the well stocked bar too (I hope that he was also in charge of purchasing duties too!). Well, word got out that he liked to party and he would naturally attract guests for his parties, usually not more than about 10 attendees, including a lot of nice looking “chicks” too. Things never really got out of hand and we’d all have a great time. I even elevated my drinking habits from beer to scotch and cognac. What was there not to like? 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't believe that I have ever eaten pheasant. Vaguely recall that in elementary school, the teacher read a book to us about hunting pheasants. Can't be 100% sure, but I would guess probably this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny,_the_Champion_of_the_World

    I've heard that there are a few around New Hampshire released for hunting purposes, but I never saw one myself, unless maybe a female.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack

  1159. @AP
    @Beckow


    What would be that Eastern Europe? We differ in out attitude towards Russia too much: the Balts, Poles, maybe Romanians hate them, the rest of us not so much.
     
    This poll was from 2019, so attitudes are much more negative towards Russia now than on this chart:

    https://i.imgur.com/GmBuUDV.png

    Czechia was closer to Lithuania than to Slovakia. And although Orban personally is not antagonistic towards Russia, his people don't like Russia very much either.

    The rest of us are Czechs, Slovaks, Hungarians, Austrians, Bulgarians, Croats, Serbs
     
    See above about Czechs. The others are far from Russia. The further from Russia and therefore the more ignorant about Russia, the less the negative the attitudes towards Russia.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …The further from Russia and therefore the more ignorant about Russia

    One can also say: further from Russia the less paranoid about Russia.

    Czechs are the most infamous opportunists of Europe. Any surveys of Czechs need to take it into account. At least half will automatically answer based on “what do you want to hear?

    Check out the large pro-Habsburg Czech demos in Prague when WWI started, or much larger – absolutely massive with hundreds of thousands of people – demos during WWII to show loyalty to Germany, After the Heydrich assassination all of Prague came out and swore an unyielding loyalty to the fuehrer. Watch the YouTube videos.

    After 1945 Czechs not just “polled pro-Russian”, they voted over 40% for the communists in a free and open 1946 elections…and so on and on. Czechs are not serious people, they like to live well and to complain about their neighbors. You should see their attitudes toward the Poles – in the absolute basement, and this is more real since Czechs don’t fear Poles, they despise them. (I don’t like that.)

    As always, you are easily fooled.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    One of my favourite writers is Jaroslav Hasek, especially his The Good Soldier Svejk. Although some maintain that the subtly non-conformist Svejk and his less subtly non-conformist creator are not particularly typical of Czechs. A Czech expressed the view to me once that the Poles were more like the character but I disagreed (I am partly of Polish ancestry). Poles take Roman Catholicism quite seriously and have a particularly grim and also romanticised nationalism, currently being exploited for anti-Russian purposes. Czechs come across as much less religious and also seem to be rather Germanised Slavs.
    The Hapsburg enthusiasm of 1914 was probably genuine but seems to have gone off the boil quickly - by 1915 Czech soldiers in the Austro-Hungarian army were accused of deserting en masse to the Russians or at least failing to defend their positions. This was notably true of the 28th and 36th regiments, both heavily Czech, and in September that year Hasek himself was captured by the Russians with most of his unit under circumstances that suggest there was little resistance (and the officers fled, leaving their men leaderless). Hasek's regiment the 91st was roughly half and half Bohemian German and Czech.
    There was too much coercion under the Protectorate to draw too many conclusions about the Heydrich demos. The Communist popularity in 1946 was probably much more genuine.

    Replies: @Beckow

  1160. @LatW
    @LatW

    And, btw, Beckow, I have nothing against a leaner, tighter version of the Intermarium. PL, UA, LT, LV, EE + a number of citizens of Belarus & Russia who are on our side. That's a lot.

    There are right leaning Russian bogatyrs fighting on Ukraine's side. They & their families could hypothetically number in tens of thousands (the population of the Faroe Islands is 48K, of Liechtenstein is 38K by comparison). The only issue would be settling them into the territory of the Intermarium (travel & visa issues).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Anatoly Karlin

    Liechtenstein is with us!!!! And the Faroes, even the sheep…great slogans, but you are descending into poetic madness with the bogatyrs and hypothetical fighters from all over.

    In how many different ways can you describe the unfolding loss in the war that Ukraine is experiencing?

    All of these hopes for the endless future resistance, a big or small Intermarium, are very unrealistic. Most of Europe is not with you in these plans, the W Europe and many of its allies in E Europe would actively oppose Intermarium and any unnecessary endless fighting that interferes with our prosperity.

    Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary do some assistance in the background. But the statements are generally reasonable and even-handed and we all quickly agreed to pay rubles for gas. There are a few loudmouths who are immediately highlighted by the Western propaganda war, but most people – incl. politicians – simply say we need to wait it out and not get involved. Orban is an exception only in the way he is more open about it. This is also true about Austria, Croatia, Slovenia…

    You are building your plans for Intermarium on the current shallow hysteria and you will be disappointed. We know our strategic interests: no dominant power, and definitely not more Polish irrational war-making and war-losing.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Most of Europe is not with you in these plans, the W Europe and many of its allies in E Europe would actively oppose Intermarium and any unnecessary endless fighting that interferes with our prosperity.
     
    It wouldn't be primarily fighting. The prosperity was rising a lot before Covid, everyone is interested to go back to that and not have a more fighting than needed.

    Of course, right now the EU structures are in place, with obligations, and those should be respected. But the idea behind it is that it would be good to have one's own space (it's strange, I thought this would be something that you would wholeheartedly support), without any undesired and unneeded external influences (the kind that are mentioned above by Thulean where people on both ends of social spectrum LARP as Americans, it's pathetic and is not even real authentic American). Granted, the EU is in some ways such a space already, for now, but this would be for the future if the EU becomes undesirable (which it may or may not).

    Replies: @Beckow

  1161. @AP
    @216


    You can’t build a national identity on minor linguistic difference and hating the authoritarian conservatives next door.
     
    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different, Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism. Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction. The takeover of Ukraine by Russia was unnatural and perverse, the product of the treachery of a 17th century Ukrainian leader against his local princes.

    These “nationalisms” are built on the worst of liberalism, secularism, feminism and GayPride
     
    I would certainly not describe Polish, Ukrainian, or Baltic nationalism in such a way. I did hear Catalan nationalism is like that though.

    The Westoxification of Ukraine has sent the support for Pride from 5% to 25%
     
    That's still pretty low. Ukraine has more significant problems at the moment.

    Replies: @216, @Sean, @Gerard1234

    LOL- I know you are a sociopathic, autistic, permanently cursed-in-hell, fantasist slimeball who would commit suicide out of shame if identity is revealed here……..but that post by yourself is even more despicable and deliberate a lie than usual.

    Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism.

    “Ukrainianism” is the very definition of slave mentality plankton you retarded POS. Or slave mentality plankton mixed with prostitution. From village life to urban there was never anything democratic associated with culture of Ukraine you imbecile.

    Zemsky sobor was a very enlightened and successful introduction of democracy into East Slavic territory you imbecile. From then on the argument ends about which was and is the democratic people and nation with a culture suited to it.

    Russia – 1905 revolution, 1917 revolution, 1991 revolution, 2006 pension protest ( that stopped the move by authorities to increase Pension) – major examples of people trying to get political change.

    Ukraine – absolutely ZERO role in 1905 russian revolution that featured nearly every other ethnic part of the empire protesting against the Tsar, a completely useless role in 1917 revolution – the “nationalist”/prostitute scum like Grushevsky and Petliura even making clear as part of the ( unelected and irrelevant central rada in heavily pro-russian Kiev) that they were wanting to be part of Russian Federation, an absurdly low role in creation of “independent” 1991 Ukraine in comparison to the role Moscow itself played – with the Baltics and even Abkhazia, Gruzia, and Belarus showing more initiative ( not surprising considering 82% of “Ukrainians” voted for a Union state with Russia and Belarus, which says everything)

    Absolutely zero protests of any scale when pension reforms increasing were implemented ( by Yanukovich)

    Russian Empire – by Russians frequent peasant/cossack/officer revolts and protests that affect the Tsar or governor into making some change or concession on Russian territory. As expected in an area that size – many rebellions, protests etc from Uzbeks, Tatars, Bashkirs, Finns, various Kavkaz, and the worthless POS Polish and Lithuanian dickheads. All of this is natural and expected. What happens from the Ukrainians in the form of political protest or insurrection during this time?….NOTHING

    Part of democracy is free thought and the exchange of ideas – Many strong intellectual/philsophical ideas and movements originating from Russia in liberal, conservative, socialist spheres, nationalist/spiritual/anarchic fusions of the first 3 in the list. What is there from 404 ?NOTHING once again. Nearly all of the “nationalism” of 404 from the 1900’s-1930’s is socialism repackaged from Russia – with nearly all of it more “socialist” than “nationalist”, unsurprising considering that true “ethno-nationalist” Ukraine/404 was invented and formalised by bored Russian liberasts in middle of 19th century.

    Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction.

    LMAO – literally everything in Ukrainian” culture” is Russian culture you retarded dickhead, with the biggest argument ( not from you as of course you are a fantasist who is not Ukrainian ) often about which thing in the culture be it a food, dance, writer, skazka, building, music or whatever is more “Ukrainian” than Russian or vice-versa. Incompatible cultures do the exact opposite of this you f*cked in the head idiot.

    Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism

    As a man proud to be from Kazan it’s hilarious to read such intellectual dogshit. Ukrainian women certainly like sucking the Khan, Sultan, Turkish, Albanian d*ck in the modern era and Turkic influence on Zapororizhian Cossack culture was larger than ……but how the f*ck did Russians “like” the Khan, and how the f*ck was the Tsar a despot you idiot? There was frequent rebellions and reseizing of cities and land before eventual removal of Golden Horde from Russian land. Russian mentality is often associated with a sort of structured anarchicism balanced by self-introspection – just the opposite of slave-mentality galician plankton. This is why the rule of the universe is…if I want to avoid Ukrainian language, I walk the streets of Kiev for a week….if I want to avoid Ukrainian “culture”……I walk the streets of Lvov for a week.

    “Ukrainian” nationalism is literally defined as prostitution to Polish despotism, German Despotism, Swedish despotism Tatar despotism …..and now Anglo-American despotism.

    The Tsars created “Ukraine” out of nothing and nurtured it. Kiev by 1660 was less relevant in the backwater PLC than a backroad is in modern Detroit is to the whole of the US.

    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different

    You can’t speak Russian or Ukrainian, you have never been anywhere there – and the obsessive, autistic, 20 hour-a-day posting of of garbage on here should never be allowed to confuse that fact ( particularly when under scrutiny it confirms that fact). Maybe another language “lesson” from you , or another “insight” into modern Ukraine? LMAO

    • Replies: @AP
    @Gerard1234

    So much butthurt barking by another Sharikov subhuman. Or have you evolved into an orc? Your language suggests that is the case.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1162. @Gerard1234
    @AP

    LOL- I know you are a sociopathic, autistic, permanently cursed-in-hell, fantasist slimeball who would commit suicide out of shame if identity is revealed here........but that post by yourself is even more despicable and deliberate a lie than usual.


    Ukrainians are more democratic, Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism.
     
    "Ukrainianism" is the very definition of slave mentality plankton you retarded POS. Or slave mentality plankton mixed with prostitution. From village life to urban there was never anything democratic associated with culture of Ukraine you imbecile.

    Zemsky sobor was a very enlightened and successful introduction of democracy into East Slavic territory you imbecile. From then on the argument ends about which was and is the democratic people and nation with a culture suited to it.

    Russia - 1905 revolution, 1917 revolution, 1991 revolution, 2006 pension protest ( that stopped the move by authorities to increase Pension) - major examples of people trying to get political change.

    Ukraine - absolutely ZERO role in 1905 russian revolution that featured nearly every other ethnic part of the empire protesting against the Tsar, a completely useless role in 1917 revolution - the "nationalist"/prostitute scum like Grushevsky and Petliura even making clear as part of the ( unelected and irrelevant central rada in heavily pro-russian Kiev) that they were wanting to be part of Russian Federation, an absurdly low role in creation of "independent" 1991 Ukraine in comparison to the role Moscow itself played - with the Baltics and even Abkhazia, Gruzia, and Belarus showing more initiative ( not surprising considering 82% of "Ukrainians" voted for a Union state with Russia and Belarus, which says everything)

    Absolutely zero protests of any scale when pension reforms increasing were implemented ( by Yanukovich)


    Russian Empire - by Russians frequent peasant/cossack/officer revolts and protests that affect the Tsar or governor into making some change or concession on Russian territory. As expected in an area that size - many rebellions, protests etc from Uzbeks, Tatars, Bashkirs, Finns, various Kavkaz, and the worthless POS Polish and Lithuanian dickheads. All of this is natural and expected. What happens from the Ukrainians in the form of political protest or insurrection during this time?....NOTHING


    Part of democracy is free thought and the exchange of ideas - Many strong intellectual/philsophical ideas and movements originating from Russia in liberal, conservative, socialist spheres, nationalist/spiritual/anarchic fusions of the first 3 in the list. What is there from 404 ?NOTHING once again. Nearly all of the "nationalism" of 404 from the 1900's-1930's is socialism repackaged from Russia - with nearly all of it more "socialist" than "nationalist", unsurprising considering that true "ethno-nationalist" Ukraine/404 was invented and formalised by bored Russian liberasts in middle of 19th century.

    Incompatible cultures, leading to constant friction.
     
    LMAO - literally everything in Ukrainian" culture" is Russian culture you retarded dickhead, with the biggest argument ( not from you as of course you are a fantasist who is not Ukrainian ) often about which thing in the culture be it a food, dance, writer, skazka, building, music or whatever is more "Ukrainian" than Russian or vice-versa. Incompatible cultures do the exact opposite of this you f*cked in the head idiot.


    Russians like having a Khan or Tsar, an Asian despotism
     
    As a man proud to be from Kazan it's hilarious to read such intellectual dogshit. Ukrainian women certainly like sucking the Khan, Sultan, Turkish, Albanian d*ck in the modern era and Turkic influence on Zapororizhian Cossack culture was larger than ......but how the f*ck did Russians "like" the Khan, and how the f*ck was the Tsar a despot you idiot? There was frequent rebellions and reseizing of cities and land before eventual removal of Golden Horde from Russian land. Russian mentality is often associated with a sort of structured anarchicism balanced by self-introspection - just the opposite of slave-mentality galician plankton. This is why the rule of the universe is...if I want to avoid Ukrainian language, I walk the streets of Kiev for a week....if I want to avoid Ukrainian "culture"......I walk the streets of Lvov for a week.

    "Ukrainian" nationalism is literally defined as prostitution to Polish despotism, German Despotism, Swedish despotism Tatar despotism .....and now Anglo-American despotism.

    The Tsars created "Ukraine" out of nothing and nurtured it. Kiev by 1660 was less relevant in the backwater PLC than a backroad is in modern Detroit is to the whole of the US.

    Linguistic differences are more than minor (not Catalan vs. Spanish but Italian vs. Spanish) and culture is also different
     
    You can't speak Russian or Ukrainian, you have never been anywhere there - and the obsessive, autistic, 20 hour-a-day posting of of garbage on here should never be allowed to confuse that fact ( particularly when under scrutiny it confirms that fact). Maybe another language "lesson" from you , or another "insight" into modern Ukraine? LMAO

    Replies: @AP

    So much butthurt barking by another Sharikov subhuman. Or have you evolved into an orc? Your language suggests that is the case.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    https://c.tenor.com/aY4Z1Si1VeIAAAAM/laugh-slam.gif

  1163. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "An agreement that is both forced and the product of illegal invasion/activity is criminality."

    We can discuss the legal or illegal aspect of the Maidan coup. You will have to agree that it was illegal
     
    The government itself was illegal, the president himself a lawbreaker who gained control of parliament (and thus, total control of the country) through an illegal coup.

    Now we have a 4 month war with bad consequences for both sides.

    Excellent consequences for the Russian side. Things are getting better and better.

     

    Wasted weapons and lives, Finland and Sweden formally in NATO, mixed performance on the battlefield. Your hope is that Ukraine loses more in the end.

    Ukrainians were also involved in the liberation of those territories, both from the Little Russian Collegium and from the Zaporozhian Host.

    That’s insignificant. On their own the Ukrainians were not capable of that.
     
    And Russians didn't do it without them.

    For their participation, the peasants were granted a permission to settle on these territories.
     
    Good that you acknowledge that this was an exchange for services, not a gift. Even you are capable of progress.

    "The illiterate proles in the cities weren’t managing anything. Ukrainian Cossacks did get some lands in those territories also."

    That refers to a time before the industrialization, there were no proles,
     
    In that case, the number of Russians in Ukraine was even smaller. Most of them arrived with industrialization. Ukrainian farmers preferred to move to the far east and get farmland, rather than work in some factory in Kharkiv.

    The Ukrainians, on the other hand, were one hundred percent illiterate.
     
    Sharikov comes out. Ukrainians gave you your literature, as Dostoyevsky (himself from Ukraine and Belarus) correctly stated.

    A tribe of humanoid earth worms.
     
    The typical Soviet sees others as being like he is.

    "But this was not the case. Greek metropolitans who visited Ukraine, the Turkish sultan called him a prince and monarch, and other foreign rulers called him ‘illustrissimus dux.’"

    Yes, and once there was a Chimpanzee called Consul. A lot of people called him Consul. That doesn’t mean he was one.
     
    So you concede that Khmelnytsky was internationally recognized as a sovereign ruler of Ukraine.

    You claim that he was not one despite that recognition, but that is just the "idea" of a poorly educated provincial Soviet.

    But it was still the product of their gift, not a Soviet one.

    One cannot gift what one doesn’t have.
     
    The Germans had it when they gifted it. Do you know the chronology of World War I?

    Ukraine’s borders were a German gift to Ukrainians, that the Bolsheviks were forced to accept.

    The loser cannot force the winner.
     
    Do you know basic history, poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov?

    Lenin accepted defeat and was forced by the victorious Germans to recognize Ukraine within more or less the current borders, minus Crimea.

    Now the Russians are correcting that historical error, and the Ukrainians will learn their place.
     
    Yes, within Europe, as people who view Poles as their brothers and Muscovites as enemies whom they have to kill on the battlefield. The restoration of the natural order and undoing of Khmelnytsky's vile treason.

    https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Orsha

    The Battle of Orsha was fought on 8 September 1514, between the allied forces of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Kingdom of Poland, under the command of Hetman Konstanty Ostrogski, and the army of Grand Duchy of Moscow under Konyushy Ivan Chelyadnin and Kniaz Mikhail Golitsin.

    According to Rerum Moscoviticarum Commentarii by Sigismund von Herberstein, the primary source for the information on the battle, the much smaller army of Poland–Lithuania (under 30,000 men) defeated the 80,000 Russian soldiers, capturing their camp and commander. These numbers and proportions have been disputed by modern historians.

    The entire Ukrainian language, and culture, composed of nothing but a third rate literature and peasant songs

     

    Poorly educated provincial Soviet Sharikov has even more ideas, how cute. Bark some more.

    was forced upon the population during the Bolshevik Ukrainization period
     
    More display of poor education and ignorance.

    According to 1897 census far more people spoke Little Russian/Ukrainian than after Soviet rule. So-called Ukrainianization simply involved Ukrainian peasants moving into cities and being taught to read and write in their own natural language instead of the foreign Russian language of the settlers living in those cities prior to their arrival. It was no more "forced" than Bohemian peasants moving to Prague and learning Czech rather than German, turning that formerly German-speaking city into a Czech-speaking city.

    What was forced, was the reversal of those policies and the Russification of the 1930s. It was accompanied by the mass murder of teachers and mass starvation of the peasants. A lot of Russian-speaking Sharikovs were created.

    It is the Russian-speaking nature of many Ukrainians that was the product of Soviet social experimentation. This will be undone.

    All of the natural Russian elites were stripped of their positions
     
    They were foreigners, from far-off Muscovy. Their status was unnatural in Ukraine. The natural elites were local gentry and magnates.

    and replaced with illiterate scum from the surrounding villages
     
    For the first decades, the Communist party in Ukraine consisted of ethnic Russians and Jews, almost no Ukrainians from surrounding villages.

    Replies: @Here Be Dragon

    Will reply on the new page.

  1164. @AP
    @Gerard1234

    So much butthurt barking by another Sharikov subhuman. Or have you evolved into an orc? Your language suggests that is the case.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1165. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    I once met a young guy from the area. whose job it was to be a caretaker for a large home that was normally used by Harvard professors to entertain. The professors were all gone during the summer months, so it was his house for that period of time. He would throw these parties at night and had free reign over the ingredients within the kitchen: duck, pheasant, steaks, chops etc (no kidding). He also had free reign over the well stocked bar too (I hope that he was also in charge of purchasing duties too!). Well, word got out that he liked to party and he would naturally attract guests for his parties, usually not more than about 10 attendees, including a lot of nice looking "chicks" too. Things never really got out of hand and we'd all have a great time. I even elevated my drinking habits from beer to scotch and cognac. What was there not to like? :-)

    Replies: @songbird

    Don’t believe that I have ever eaten pheasant. Vaguely recall that in elementary school, the teacher read a book to us about hunting pheasants. Can’t be 100% sure, but I would guess probably this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny,_the_Champion_of_the_World

    I’ve heard that there are a few around New Hampshire released for hunting purposes, but I never saw one myself, unless maybe a female.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    In season they used to be cheaper than chicken where I used to live. The meat is darker but far tastier and the taste is stronger. It is necessary to look out for the lead shot with which they were killed. I liked them.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    When I last lived in Minnesota, you could still see some flying near the Mississippi in both Minneapolis and St. Paul. My father would go hunting for them, of course out in the country or farm country. I've only eaten pheasant twice that I can remember. Once in Cambridge as I've related, and once at a swanky wedding reception. I couldn't pass up the "pheasant under glass" that was on the menu and I'm glad that I didn't. A very delicious bird indeed, kind of a midway between turkey and duck. When I lived in St. Paul, a couple would come up on a hill where I lived, within the outdoor garage port, and I could watch them for up to an hour with my binoculars. It's almost a shame to kill these beautiful creatures, especially the male bird:

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PtAAAOxy4dNSuyeF/s-l500.jpg
    Famous outdoor and nature artist Les Kouba's rendition.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  1166. @LatW
    @Mikel


    Are you saying that this was an inevitable consequence of Ukraine fulfilling its duties as a sovereign state or are you agreeing with me that no sovereign duties justify that horrendous toll?
     
    Ukraine's sovereign borders and statehood were attacked and this caused the deaths of the children. Then and now. It's very simple (if one doesn't pretend to be dense).

    Replies: @Mikel

    Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood were attacked and this caused the deaths of the children.

    I understand your reluctance to put it in clear words but obviously you think that the soldiers and pilots who shot the bombs knowing that civilians were going to be smashed under them were justified to do so (in order to defend Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood).

    We are of course in total disagreement. But I’ve had this kind of conversation many times before so I’m not surprised in the slightest to see that you are choosing to attack me instead of the many commenters here who do support the Russian invasion.

    People in medieval times would think that something like the Geneva Convention (that actually allows shooting at civilians areas under very strict circumstances) was a la-la-land fantasy. In this time and age I don’t think it should be so utopic to write a new international agreement with much broader limits to what countries are allowed to do in case of war. It would just be a reflection of what most ordinary people in the world think after all: that killing innocent people is never justified. That’s why we all have laws forbidding it in our criminal codes.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Mikel


    In this time and age I don’t think it should be so utopic to write a new international agreement with much broader limits to what countries are allowed to do in case of war. It would just be a reflection of what most ordinary people in the world think after all: that killing innocent people is never justified. That’s why we all have laws forbidding it in our criminal codes.
     
    You know damn well that almost anyone, including myself, would not object to that. And you know damn well that some states will not abide by these conventions. And no power will hold them accountable, just like right now. Yes, it is a living hell on earth, that can only be stopped with force.

    Europe was not prepared that an old school, heavily mechanized type of war would happen, but exactly that type of war was bound to happen given the stockpiles of old and new weapons that have been collected for years by Russia and Ukraine. And, no, it is not medieval, but 20th century behavior. They must have institutional memory from their grandparents.
  1167. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird

    Having poor taste in books is not an argument against reading. There's also a weird false choice you set up between reading and creating. Both can and should happen. Done right, they can reinforce each other.

    Replies: @songbird

    Fundamentally, I think you are not acknowledging how there’s severe limits to what people can memorize.

    If you acknowledge those limits, then the value of spending hours reading, drops considerably. It may still have value, for the novelty and the inspiration it can cause, but those are mainly tangents, useless if you don’t turn them into something.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    I think you are not acknowledging how there’s severe limits to what people can memorize
     
    That's a fair point, though I mostly read non-fiction. The general impression one gets from a book admittedly fades over time, getting fuzzier and less precise. But the good thing about books is that you can always look up particular details for reference years later, especially with the aid of modern technology.

    It may still have value, for the novelty and the inspiration it can cause, but those are mainly tangents, useless if you don’t turn them into something.
     

    I like your strict utilitarianism, but a romantic part of me wishes that we impart knowledge for knowledge's sake. I don't think all is lost in the sands of time.

    Replies: @songbird

  1168. @LatW
    @LatW

    And, btw, Beckow, I have nothing against a leaner, tighter version of the Intermarium. PL, UA, LT, LV, EE + a number of citizens of Belarus & Russia who are on our side. That's a lot.

    There are right leaning Russian bogatyrs fighting on Ukraine's side. They & their families could hypothetically number in tens of thousands (the population of the Faroe Islands is 48K, of Liechtenstein is 38K by comparison). The only issue would be settling them into the territory of the Intermarium (travel & visa issues).

    Replies: @Beckow, @Anatoly Karlin

    The so-called Free Russia Legion is in the tens, not the tens of thousands, being an astroturf project that exists exclusively for photo ops with a dozen SBU officers for every actual Russian traitor scumbag within it, but it’s amusing to read the fantasies of Latvian emigre imbeciles regardless.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I misspoke. The Freedom of Russia legion is not big, of course, the Russians physically fighting in Ukraine might be somewhere in the low hundreds. There are others besides the Freedom of Russia (which turns out is more liberal than the typical Russian nationalists who support Ukraine). What I meant was that there would be supporters in Russia who would be willing to move to Ukraine (for living, not participating in fighting).

    , @Wielgus
    @Anatoly Karlin

    That phrase "Free... " usually some unit or outfit run by America or its stooges. The "Free Syrian Army" (remember that?) to the extent it still exists, is a marionette with its strings pulled by Turkey.

  1169. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend

    Fundamentally, I think you are not acknowledging how there's severe limits to what people can memorize.

    If you acknowledge those limits, then the value of spending hours reading, drops considerably. It may still have value, for the novelty and the inspiration it can cause, but those are mainly tangents, useless if you don't turn them into something.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    I think you are not acknowledging how there’s severe limits to what people can memorize

    That’s a fair point, though I mostly read non-fiction. The general impression one gets from a book admittedly fades over time, getting fuzzier and less precise. But the good thing about books is that you can always look up particular details for reference years later, especially with the aid of modern technology.

    It may still have value, for the novelty and the inspiration it can cause, but those are mainly tangents, useless if you don’t turn them into something.

    I like your strict utilitarianism, but a romantic part of me wishes that we impart knowledge for knowledge’s sake. I don’t think all is lost in the sands of time.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    But the good thing about books is that you can always look up particular details for reference years later, especially with the aid of modern technology.
     
    That's a good point, but I suppose one also has to remember something of them to look them up. Maybe, it is easier if you make notations. But I myself am terrible at taking notes. I'll find something that is difficult to find, and then make no notes so that I can find it easily again. As is probable, if it is on the web, I won't even bookmark the page.

    I don't know whether it is correct or not, but I think the best self-improvement would probably be to work on one's modus operandi, or one's daily habits. My harsh opinion is that cuts a lot out. People spend too much time on the headier end, when they should be working on the lower end.

    We need a kind of EA on self-improvement. Careful scientific comparison of what works and what doesn't.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  1170. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    Sounds pretty violent though
     
    Hugh O'Neill is generally considered to have murdered his cousin. By one tradition hanging him from a Hawthorn tree with his bare hands.

    BTW, I recently reread this part of the story, being familiar with it years ago, and I am glad I did because it contains an element I never considered. Apparently, the election of the tanist was influenced a lot by what marriage alliance he had, and its perceived power.

    I believe that the father of the wife of the man murdered on the hill was easily chief of the most powerful local clan. And they did have one daughter, before she left him. The daughter had a nickname something like "of the taen" which I think is probably derived from the word "tanist", meaning "second."

    I do wonder how many of these general details about bloody feuds are missing from Irish history.

    LOL. Maybe, AP has gotten to me, but I was just thinking about monarchy and how the current ones all seem to suck, and how to make one better. I figure that modern childbirth science would lead the mothers to survive, making the relationships closer and tanistry more viable. Furthermore, psychometric testing might be a way to help choose the best candidate, and they could fight out their differences in simulated warfare or something.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Apparently, the election of the tanist was influenced a lot by what marriage alliance he had, and its perceived power.

    Makes sense. Pretty interesting system in any case, as you imply one can certainly see the advantages compared to other forms of monarchy…at least in theory it should have ensured the suitability of the next king (so no inbred imbecile like the last of the Spanish Habsburgs) and also led to stability, because the succession was already established during the life time of the previous king. Almost a bit like the “good” adoptive emperors in 2nd century Rome. But I suppose the power of ambition and rivalry even among close relatives was just too strong.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    But I suppose the power of ambition and rivalry even among close relatives was just too strong.
     
    Just in general, in world history, it is fascinating how often royal kin has slain royal kin, or contested with them. I wonder if there were any other dynamics that explain it or add to it, other than personal ambition. Different mothers? Or them being raised apart? Not being in what we would think of as a nuclear family, where one sees a lot of each other and one's parents? Maybe, all the hangers-on?

    Of course, the Ottomans came up with an interesting if gruesome solution.

    The succession process of Roman emperors was pretty curious. To look at it is to ask, why wasn't it easier for what was probably the most powerful man in the world at the time to have biological sons that succeeded him?

    I suppose disease was a big part of it, but I still find it somewhat mystifying. My only conclusion is that somehow he was hobbled by his own political alliances to his wife's family.

    Replies: @German_reader

  1171. LatW says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @LatW

    The so-called Free Russia Legion is in the tens, not the tens of thousands, being an astroturf project that exists exclusively for photo ops with a dozen SBU officers for every actual Russian traitor scumbag within it, but it's amusing to read the fantasies of Latvian emigre imbeciles regardless.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wielgus

    I misspoke. The Freedom of Russia legion is not big, of course, the Russians physically fighting in Ukraine might be somewhere in the low hundreds. There are others besides the Freedom of Russia (which turns out is more liberal than the typical Russian nationalists who support Ukraine). What I meant was that there would be supporters in Russia who would be willing to move to Ukraine (for living, not participating in fighting).

  1172. LatW says:
    @Mikel
    @LatW


    Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood were attacked and this caused the deaths of the children.
     
    I understand your reluctance to put it in clear words but obviously you think that the soldiers and pilots who shot the bombs knowing that civilians were going to be smashed under them were justified to do so (in order to defend Ukraine’s sovereign borders and statehood).

    We are of course in total disagreement. But I've had this kind of conversation many times before so I'm not surprised in the slightest to see that you are choosing to attack me instead of the many commenters here who do support the Russian invasion.

    People in medieval times would think that something like the Geneva Convention (that actually allows shooting at civilians areas under very strict circumstances) was a la-la-land fantasy. In this time and age I don't think it should be so utopic to write a new international agreement with much broader limits to what countries are allowed to do in case of war. It would just be a reflection of what most ordinary people in the world think after all: that killing innocent people is never justified. That's why we all have laws forbidding it in our criminal codes.

    Replies: @LatW

    In this time and age I don’t think it should be so utopic to write a new international agreement with much broader limits to what countries are allowed to do in case of war. It would just be a reflection of what most ordinary people in the world think after all: that killing innocent people is never justified. That’s why we all have laws forbidding it in our criminal codes.

    You know damn well that almost anyone, including myself, would not object to that. And you know damn well that some states will not abide by these conventions. And no power will hold them accountable, just like right now. Yes, it is a living hell on earth, that can only be stopped with force.

    Europe was not prepared that an old school, heavily mechanized type of war would happen, but exactly that type of war was bound to happen given the stockpiles of old and new weapons that have been collected for years by Russia and Ukraine. And, no, it is not medieval, but 20th century behavior. They must have institutional memory from their grandparents.

  1173. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW

    Liechtenstein is with us!!!! And the Faroes, even the sheep...great slogans, but you are descending into poetic madness with the bogatyrs and hypothetical fighters from all over.

    In how many different ways can you describe the unfolding loss in the war that Ukraine is experiencing?

    All of these hopes for the endless future resistance, a big or small Intermarium, are very unrealistic. Most of Europe is not with you in these plans, the W Europe and many of its allies in E Europe would actively oppose Intermarium and any unnecessary endless fighting that interferes with our prosperity.

    Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary do some assistance in the background. But the statements are generally reasonable and even-handed and we all quickly agreed to pay rubles for gas. There are a few loudmouths who are immediately highlighted by the Western propaganda war, but most people - incl. politicians - simply say we need to wait it out and not get involved. Orban is an exception only in the way he is more open about it. This is also true about Austria, Croatia, Slovenia...

    You are building your plans for Intermarium on the current shallow hysteria and you will be disappointed. We know our strategic interests: no dominant power, and definitely not more Polish irrational war-making and war-losing.

    Replies: @LatW

    Most of Europe is not with you in these plans, the W Europe and many of its allies in E Europe would actively oppose Intermarium and any unnecessary endless fighting that interferes with our prosperity.

    It wouldn’t be primarily fighting. The prosperity was rising a lot before Covid, everyone is interested to go back to that and not have a more fighting than needed.

    Of course, right now the EU structures are in place, with obligations, and those should be respected. But the idea behind it is that it would be good to have one’s own space (it’s strange, I thought this would be something that you would wholeheartedly support), without any undesired and unneeded external influences (the kind that are mentioned above by Thulean where people on both ends of social spectrum LARP as Americans, it’s pathetic and is not even real authentic American). Granted, the EU is in some ways such a space already, for now, but this would be for the future if the EU becomes undesirable (which it may or may not).

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...more fighting than needed.
     
    Who decides how much fighting is needed? Some psychopath in Warsaw who is mad as hell that there is still this country called "Russia"? Or even worse, some orc-searching Ukies who don't know what they want - their lives didn't work out, they made catastrophic mistakes, and now they would like as many people to go down with them as possible - modern day Samson wanna-be's convinced of their own virtuousness.

    have one’s own space...I thought this would be something that you would wholeheartedly support
     
    In general, yes. Except it wouldn't be our own space. We are normal people (relatively speaking), but we would be forced to share the space with what looks at this point like a band of fanatical Poles, Galicians, Balts who would like to start a WWIII, who suffer from an incurable demented hatred of Russia, and who are not particularly good at running an economy (we are better). That is a worse deal than we have with EU.

    The crazy gender stuff and migrant settlements would be less, but that's not all that matters. Seeing the Polish pre-disposition to kow-tow enthusiastically to anything Western there is no guarantee they wouldn't go all rainbow and Africa on us - so the bosses they worship in Washington and London pat them on the back "good, Pollacks, good, now shine the shoes..." No, we would rather not be a part of that.

    Replies: @LatW

  1174. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Apparently, the election of the tanist was influenced a lot by what marriage alliance he had, and its perceived power.
     
    Makes sense. Pretty interesting system in any case, as you imply one can certainly see the advantages compared to other forms of monarchy...at least in theory it should have ensured the suitability of the next king (so no inbred imbecile like the last of the Spanish Habsburgs) and also led to stability, because the succession was already established during the life time of the previous king. Almost a bit like the "good" adoptive emperors in 2nd century Rome. But I suppose the power of ambition and rivalry even among close relatives was just too strong.

    Replies: @songbird

    But I suppose the power of ambition and rivalry even among close relatives was just too strong.

    Just in general, in world history, it is fascinating how often royal kin has slain royal kin, or contested with them. I wonder if there were any other dynamics that explain it or add to it, other than personal ambition. Different mothers? Or them being raised apart? Not being in what we would think of as a nuclear family, where one sees a lot of each other and one’s parents? Maybe, all the hangers-on?

    Of course, the Ottomans came up with an interesting if gruesome solution.

    The succession process of Roman emperors was pretty curious. To look at it is to ask, why wasn’t it easier for what was probably the most powerful man in the world at the time to have biological sons that succeeded him?

    I suppose disease was a big part of it, but I still find it somewhat mystifying. My only conclusion is that somehow he was hobbled by his own political alliances to his wife’s family.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    The succession process of Roman emperors was pretty curious. To look at it is to ask, why wasn’t it easier for what was probably the most powerful man in the world at the time to have biological sons that succeeded him?
     
    It's indeed striking how comparatively unstable it was, I don't think a single imperial dynasty lasted even a century, and probably a majority of Roman emperors died a violent death. Quite the contrast with long periods of Chinese history (let alone Japan, even if the emperor there was only a figurehead for most of the time, which may explain the dynastic stability), or even with something like the Mughals in India which lasted at least three centuries or so. Don't know if anybody ever has advanced any real explanation for it.
    The intra-family violence of royalty through much of history is indeed fascinating. Seems potentially quite maladaptive from an evolutionary perspective, at least on a family level.
  1175. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    But I suppose the power of ambition and rivalry even among close relatives was just too strong.
     
    Just in general, in world history, it is fascinating how often royal kin has slain royal kin, or contested with them. I wonder if there were any other dynamics that explain it or add to it, other than personal ambition. Different mothers? Or them being raised apart? Not being in what we would think of as a nuclear family, where one sees a lot of each other and one's parents? Maybe, all the hangers-on?

    Of course, the Ottomans came up with an interesting if gruesome solution.

    The succession process of Roman emperors was pretty curious. To look at it is to ask, why wasn't it easier for what was probably the most powerful man in the world at the time to have biological sons that succeeded him?

    I suppose disease was a big part of it, but I still find it somewhat mystifying. My only conclusion is that somehow he was hobbled by his own political alliances to his wife's family.

    Replies: @German_reader

    The succession process of Roman emperors was pretty curious. To look at it is to ask, why wasn’t it easier for what was probably the most powerful man in the world at the time to have biological sons that succeeded him?

    It’s indeed striking how comparatively unstable it was, I don’t think a single imperial dynasty lasted even a century, and probably a majority of Roman emperors died a violent death. Quite the contrast with long periods of Chinese history (let alone Japan, even if the emperor there was only a figurehead for most of the time, which may explain the dynastic stability), or even with something like the Mughals in India which lasted at least three centuries or so. Don’t know if anybody ever has advanced any real explanation for it.
    The intra-family violence of royalty through much of history is indeed fascinating. Seems potentially quite maladaptive from an evolutionary perspective, at least on a family level.

    • Agree: songbird
  1176. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    I think you are not acknowledging how there’s severe limits to what people can memorize
     
    That's a fair point, though I mostly read non-fiction. The general impression one gets from a book admittedly fades over time, getting fuzzier and less precise. But the good thing about books is that you can always look up particular details for reference years later, especially with the aid of modern technology.

    It may still have value, for the novelty and the inspiration it can cause, but those are mainly tangents, useless if you don’t turn them into something.
     

    I like your strict utilitarianism, but a romantic part of me wishes that we impart knowledge for knowledge's sake. I don't think all is lost in the sands of time.

    Replies: @songbird

    But the good thing about books is that you can always look up particular details for reference years later, especially with the aid of modern technology.

    That’s a good point, but I suppose one also has to remember something of them to look them up. Maybe, it is easier if you make notations. But I myself am terrible at taking notes. I’ll find something that is difficult to find, and then make no notes so that I can find it easily again. As is probable, if it is on the web, I won’t even bookmark the page.

    I don’t know whether it is correct or not, but I think the best self-improvement would probably be to work on one’s modus operandi, or one’s daily habits. My harsh opinion is that cuts a lot out. People spend too much time on the headier end, when they should be working on the lower end.

    We need a kind of EA on self-improvement. Careful scientific comparison of what works and what doesn’t.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    When artisans served apprenticeships and clerks served articles they started at 14. By the age of 21 they knew their trades. Not just by memory but in their muscles and daily habits of life and social circles.

  1177. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Most of Europe is not with you in these plans, the W Europe and many of its allies in E Europe would actively oppose Intermarium and any unnecessary endless fighting that interferes with our prosperity.
     
    It wouldn't be primarily fighting. The prosperity was rising a lot before Covid, everyone is interested to go back to that and not have a more fighting than needed.

    Of course, right now the EU structures are in place, with obligations, and those should be respected. But the idea behind it is that it would be good to have one's own space (it's strange, I thought this would be something that you would wholeheartedly support), without any undesired and unneeded external influences (the kind that are mentioned above by Thulean where people on both ends of social spectrum LARP as Americans, it's pathetic and is not even real authentic American). Granted, the EU is in some ways such a space already, for now, but this would be for the future if the EU becomes undesirable (which it may or may not).

    Replies: @Beckow

    …more fighting than needed.

    Who decides how much fighting is needed? Some psychopath in Warsaw who is mad as hell that there is still this country called “Russia“? Or even worse, some orc-searching Ukies who don’t know what they want – their lives didn’t work out, they made catastrophic mistakes, and now they would like as many people to go down with them as possible – modern day Samson wanna-be’s convinced of their own virtuousness.

    have one’s own space…I thought this would be something that you would wholeheartedly support

    In general, yes. Except it wouldn’t be our own space. We are normal people (relatively speaking), but we would be forced to share the space with what looks at this point like a band of fanatical Poles, Galicians, Balts who would like to start a WWIII, who suffer from an incurable demented hatred of Russia, and who are not particularly good at running an economy (we are better). That is a worse deal than we have with EU.

    The crazy gender stuff and migrant settlements would be less, but that’s not all that matters. Seeing the Polish pre-disposition to kow-tow enthusiastically to anything Western there is no guarantee they wouldn’t go all rainbow and Africa on us – so the bosses they worship in Washington and London pat them on the back “good, Pollacks, good, now shine the shoes…” No, we would rather not be a part of that.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Who decides how much fighting is needed?
     
    That's just pure common sense - enough to protect ourselves.

    In general, yes.
     
    I'm starting to doubt that. It looks like you want the US out, but Russia in. You haven't been genuine.

    Except it wouldn’t be our own space. We are normal people (relatively speaking), but we would be forced to share the space with what looks at this point like a band of fanatical Poles, Galicians, Balts who would like to start a WWIII, who suffer from an incurable demented hatred of Russia, and who are not particularly good at running an economy (we are better).
     
    You're not all that much better. You're just tucked away more. If Lithuania had had the private entrepreneurship freedoms that the Czechs and Slovaks had back in the 80s, their GPR per capita would be higher now. It's just circumstances. And as I said, your participation in Intermarium is optional. You're not among the crucial ones.

    Replies: @Beckow

  1178. @German_reader
    @AnonfromTN

    I guess Russia can present them as spoils of war in a great victory parade then (though it will be pretty lame compared to the 1944 one with German pows).
    Sorry, I know you've got personal reasons for your stance on this war and to some extent I even respect that (certainly way more than Karlin's bs..."I'm making money to send to Russian volunteers", cowardly merchant bugman attitude), but I can't agree, and there's no real point to a discussion about it now.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    ”I’m making money to send to Russian volunteers”, cowardly merchant bugman attitude)

    Not heroic or personally courageous to be sure, though probably more effective from a utilitarian perspective (apart from general humanitarian aid stuff, my efforts have helped finance thermal imagers and first aid kits for volunteers) than going to a warzone with no military training, and possibly less pathetic than incessantly seething about one’s poverty, academic failure, and general loser status online (which I once empathized with, but now recognize as richly deserved).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    going to a warzone with no military training
     
    Then get some. But of course you won't, because you're just a poseur (and a remarkably thin-skinned one at that).

    and general loser status online
     
    If I died tomorrow, I would still leave more of a legacy than you. Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt. None of the books you've announced have been written, and none of them ever will. Go choke on your ill-gotten money.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  1179. @songbird
    How Chinese are ethnic Thai elites? Still, more than the average? (Didn't their aristocracy come from China, or wasn't it part Chinese?)

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    I am a project assessor at the local, large and well regarded internationally, business school. A substantial block of students are Thai. They look very Chinese compared to ordinary Thais. They are also by far the most impressive group of students judged by nationality. They are prize winners for government sponsorship which may bias the sample. The mainland Chinese in contrast are the least impressive. Most seem to have cheated their English tests and are more interested in (Chinese style) fashion or games depending on sex than their degrees. Given my prejudices, I find Arabs to be unexpectedly high performers. Iraq, Egypt, Jordan and Palestine. Gulf Arabs don’t manage the entrance requirements by and large.

    Yes. There is a lot of ethnic Chinese in the Thai social elites.

  1180. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't believe that I have ever eaten pheasant. Vaguely recall that in elementary school, the teacher read a book to us about hunting pheasants. Can't be 100% sure, but I would guess probably this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny,_the_Champion_of_the_World

    I've heard that there are a few around New Hampshire released for hunting purposes, but I never saw one myself, unless maybe a female.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack

    In season they used to be cheaper than chicken where I used to live. The meat is darker but far tastier and the taste is stronger. It is necessary to look out for the lead shot with which they were killed. I liked them.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Philip Owen


    It is necessary to look out for the lead shot with which they were killed.
     
    I recall Back to the Future III had a scene like that, where the main character was eating dinner with his GG grandparents:
    https://youtu.be/85pxRbsE4-o

    I thought it was just there for the comedy and wasn't even sure if it was realistic, but I guess it must have been influenced by the experience of old-timers.

    I had a similar idea about those cartoons where the turkey moves his neck away from the axe - that was definitely people growing up on the farm.
  1181. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    But the good thing about books is that you can always look up particular details for reference years later, especially with the aid of modern technology.
     
    That's a good point, but I suppose one also has to remember something of them to look them up. Maybe, it is easier if you make notations. But I myself am terrible at taking notes. I'll find something that is difficult to find, and then make no notes so that I can find it easily again. As is probable, if it is on the web, I won't even bookmark the page.

    I don't know whether it is correct or not, but I think the best self-improvement would probably be to work on one's modus operandi, or one's daily habits. My harsh opinion is that cuts a lot out. People spend too much time on the headier end, when they should be working on the lower end.

    We need a kind of EA on self-improvement. Careful scientific comparison of what works and what doesn't.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    When artisans served apprenticeships and clerks served articles they started at 14. By the age of 21 they knew their trades. Not just by memory but in their muscles and daily habits of life and social circles.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  1182. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader


    ”I’m making money to send to Russian volunteers”, cowardly merchant bugman attitude)
     
    Not heroic or personally courageous to be sure, though probably more effective from a utilitarian perspective (apart from general humanitarian aid stuff, my efforts have helped finance thermal imagers and first aid kits for volunteers) than going to a warzone with no military training, and possibly less pathetic than incessantly seething about one's poverty, academic failure, and general loser status online (which I once empathized with, but now recognize as richly deserved).

    Replies: @German_reader

    going to a warzone with no military training

    Then get some. But of course you won’t, because you’re just a poseur (and a remarkably thin-skinned one at that).

    and general loser status online

    If I died tomorrow, I would still leave more of a legacy than you. Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt. None of the books you’ve announced have been written, and none of them ever will. Go choke on your ill-gotten money.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader


    Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt.
     
    In that case, you expended a considerable portion of your life not even writing, but commenting, on some shitty blog.

    Seethe harder, German_cuck.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

  1183. @LatW
    @AP

    Riga was one of the top most industrialized cities of the Russian Empire. This partly explains why there were many Latvian reds. Plus some Latvians were deliberately recruited. Riga was consistently above any Ukrainian city except Odessa in terms of growth (which went hand in hand with industrialization), at least according to this graph (Riga is orange):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvKzEvpt2Y

    I'm actually surprised that Kyiv's population was smaller than Riga's all the way until the revolution. Would need to check these stats.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    And most of those cities are not Russian now.

  1184. @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    In season they used to be cheaper than chicken where I used to live. The meat is darker but far tastier and the taste is stronger. It is necessary to look out for the lead shot with which they were killed. I liked them.

    Replies: @songbird

    It is necessary to look out for the lead shot with which they were killed.

    I recall Back to the Future III had a scene like that, where the main character was eating dinner with his GG grandparents:

    [MORE]

    I thought it was just there for the comedy and wasn’t even sure if it was realistic, but I guess it must have been influenced by the experience of old-timers.

    I had a similar idea about those cartoons where the turkey moves his neck away from the axe – that was definitely people growing up on the farm.

  1185. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack

    Don't believe that I have ever eaten pheasant. Vaguely recall that in elementary school, the teacher read a book to us about hunting pheasants. Can't be 100% sure, but I would guess probably this:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny,_the_Champion_of_the_World

    I've heard that there are a few around New Hampshire released for hunting purposes, but I never saw one myself, unless maybe a female.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack

    When I last lived in Minnesota, you could still see some flying near the Mississippi in both Minneapolis and St. Paul. My father would go hunting for them, of course out in the country or farm country. I’ve only eaten pheasant twice that I can remember. Once in Cambridge as I’ve related, and once at a swanky wedding reception. I couldn’t pass up the “pheasant under glass” that was on the menu and I’m glad that I didn’t. A very delicious bird indeed, kind of a midway between turkey and duck. When I lived in St. Paul, a couple would come up on a hill where I lived, within the outdoor garage port, and I could watch them for up to an hour with my binoculars. It’s almost a shame to kill these beautiful creatures, especially the male bird:


    Famous outdoor and nature artist Les Kouba’s rendition.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    We have some pheasant around here but they are not native to N. America and populations are reliant on stocking. I think they may thrive naturally a bit more in other parts of the country, but around here the populations aren't self supporting. Hunters like to hunt them, so raising and releasing is fairly common.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1186. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...The further from Russia and therefore the more ignorant about Russia
     
    One can also say: further from Russia the less paranoid about Russia.

    Czechs are the most infamous opportunists of Europe. Any surveys of Czechs need to take it into account. At least half will automatically answer based on "what do you want to hear?"

    Check out the large pro-Habsburg Czech demos in Prague when WWI started, or much larger - absolutely massive with hundreds of thousands of people - demos during WWII to show loyalty to Germany, After the Heydrich assassination all of Prague came out and swore an unyielding loyalty to the fuehrer. Watch the YouTube videos.

    After 1945 Czechs not just "polled pro-Russian", they voted over 40% for the communists in a free and open 1946 elections...and so on and on. Czechs are not serious people, they like to live well and to complain about their neighbors. You should see their attitudes toward the Poles - in the absolute basement, and this is more real since Czechs don't fear Poles, they despise them. (I don't like that.)

    As always, you are easily fooled.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    One of my favourite writers is Jaroslav Hasek, especially his The Good Soldier Svejk. Although some maintain that the subtly non-conformist Svejk and his less subtly non-conformist creator are not particularly typical of Czechs. A Czech expressed the view to me once that the Poles were more like the character but I disagreed (I am partly of Polish ancestry). Poles take Roman Catholicism quite seriously and have a particularly grim and also romanticised nationalism, currently being exploited for anti-Russian purposes. Czechs come across as much less religious and also seem to be rather Germanised Slavs.
    The Hapsburg enthusiasm of 1914 was probably genuine but seems to have gone off the boil quickly – by 1915 Czech soldiers in the Austro-Hungarian army were accused of deserting en masse to the Russians or at least failing to defend their positions. This was notably true of the 28th and 36th regiments, both heavily Czech, and in September that year Hasek himself was captured by the Russians with most of his unit under circumstances that suggest there was little resistance (and the officers fled, leaving their men leaderless). Hasek’s regiment the 91st was roughly half and half Bohemian German and Czech.
    There was too much coercion under the Protectorate to draw too many conclusions about the Heydrich demos. The Communist popularity in 1946 was probably much more genuine.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    Outsiders fail to see that the Czech enthusiasm and their switches are both genuine and fake at the same time. They live in the present, they adapt. Czechs have also evolved to be more domesticated - the brachycephaly and conformism are now endemic, Hasek would be impossible today. The joke is that all Czechs have a CV ready with first line "I have always liked eating rice" - with an eye on China.

    The Protectorate coercion is exaggerated. It was bad, but nobody was forced to march with German crosses and sing praises. Czechs did it because that's the way they are: unserious with fears and a hint of this is all a joke. The same after 1945 under commies, at least initially that was more genuine - Czechs enjoy taking other people's stuff. Then the brachycephalic social collapse kicked in - commies with their permissive generous society with free bread-and-beer and work that wasn't really 'work' accelerated it.

    But what a fun place, it is among the best places in mankind's history to live - and that has been true for decades or centuries. The rulers come and go, the good life stays.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1187. Russians claim “Lisichansk is ours!” Although I believe the Ukrainians are still denying they have lost the town.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wielgus

    So many red flags.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1188. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...more fighting than needed.
     
    Who decides how much fighting is needed? Some psychopath in Warsaw who is mad as hell that there is still this country called "Russia"? Or even worse, some orc-searching Ukies who don't know what they want - their lives didn't work out, they made catastrophic mistakes, and now they would like as many people to go down with them as possible - modern day Samson wanna-be's convinced of their own virtuousness.

    have one’s own space...I thought this would be something that you would wholeheartedly support
     
    In general, yes. Except it wouldn't be our own space. We are normal people (relatively speaking), but we would be forced to share the space with what looks at this point like a band of fanatical Poles, Galicians, Balts who would like to start a WWIII, who suffer from an incurable demented hatred of Russia, and who are not particularly good at running an economy (we are better). That is a worse deal than we have with EU.

    The crazy gender stuff and migrant settlements would be less, but that's not all that matters. Seeing the Polish pre-disposition to kow-tow enthusiastically to anything Western there is no guarantee they wouldn't go all rainbow and Africa on us - so the bosses they worship in Washington and London pat them on the back "good, Pollacks, good, now shine the shoes..." No, we would rather not be a part of that.

    Replies: @LatW

    Who decides how much fighting is needed?

    That’s just pure common sense – enough to protect ourselves.

    In general, yes.

    I’m starting to doubt that. It looks like you want the US out, but Russia in. You haven’t been genuine.

    Except it wouldn’t be our own space. We are normal people (relatively speaking), but we would be forced to share the space with what looks at this point like a band of fanatical Poles, Galicians, Balts who would like to start a WWIII, who suffer from an incurable demented hatred of Russia, and who are not particularly good at running an economy (we are better).

    You’re not all that much better. You’re just tucked away more. If Lithuania had had the private entrepreneurship freedoms that the Czechs and Slovaks had back in the 80s, their GPR per capita would be higher now. It’s just circumstances. And as I said, your participation in Intermarium is optional. You’re not among the crucial ones.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...your participation in Intermarium is optional. You’re not among the crucial ones.
     
    That's a relief. I was getting worried that Janis and Jacek were about to invade to teach us how horrible the Russians are. They may also notice that Intermarium without us would be a backwater: poor and remote, not really with three seas as in the plans.

    private entrepreneurship freedoms that the Czechs and Slovaks had back in the 80s
     
    That's one thing we didn't have, we only had family businesses. You are confusing that w Hungary and Poland. We both know that the reason we have always lived better is because we work smarter, don't do stupid stuff like fighting apriori lost wars, and are more sober (usually).

    Intermarium with the likes of you, Poland, Moldova and god-forbid Romania would be the designated sh..thole of Europe. So no, thanks, but if we have to join others Brussels is better. I suspect even the eastern orc-khanate would be more prosperous than your Intermarium flat-lands. That's why you want Donbas and Black Sea coast so much...

    Replies: @LatW

  1189. @Wielgus
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBTIxm4Kn_g
    Russians claim "Lisichansk is ours!" Although I believe the Ukrainians are still denying they have lost the town.

    Replies: @LatW

    So many red flags.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @LatW

    I am sure the Germans thought the same, in 1945...

    Replies: @LatW

  1190. @Anatoly Karlin
    @LatW

    The so-called Free Russia Legion is in the tens, not the tens of thousands, being an astroturf project that exists exclusively for photo ops with a dozen SBU officers for every actual Russian traitor scumbag within it, but it's amusing to read the fantasies of Latvian emigre imbeciles regardless.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wielgus

    That phrase “Free… ” usually some unit or outfit run by America or its stooges. The “Free Syrian Army” (remember that?) to the extent it still exists, is a marionette with its strings pulled by Turkey.

  1191. @LatW
    @Wielgus

    So many red flags.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I am sure the Germans thought the same, in 1945…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wielgus


    I am sure the Germans thought the same, in 1945…
     
    Yea, but it's 2022 now. It looks very obsolete and backward.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1192. @Wielgus
    @LatW

    I am sure the Germans thought the same, in 1945...

    Replies: @LatW

    I am sure the Germans thought the same, in 1945…

    Yea, but it’s 2022 now. It looks very obsolete and backward.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @LatW

    I owned a book of Red posters issued during the Russian Civil War, and read it about the time of the USSR's collapse in 1991. It was notable that the Reds associated the current Russian tricolour with the Whites. I had a sense that Yeltsin etc. were trying turn everything back to before 1917.
    Meanwhile ex-Soviet republics like Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. adopted flags that I recognised as having been represented in shoulder flashes and other symbols of Waffen-SS divisions or other units during WW2 - not exactly recent phenomena either. The famous tryzub symbol of the Ukrainians appeared on one of their propaganda sheets dated April 19, 1945, saluting Adolf Hitler, who took his life eleven days after it appeared. Not really up-to-date stuff.
    In terms of future-looking symbols it might turn out to be a shoot-out between the Diversity flag of GloboHomo, which I see is currently on the front of the US Embassy in Athens, or the flag of the People's Republic of China - which also happens to be red.

    Replies: @LatW

  1193. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    going to a warzone with no military training
     
    Then get some. But of course you won't, because you're just a poseur (and a remarkably thin-skinned one at that).

    and general loser status online
     
    If I died tomorrow, I would still leave more of a legacy than you. Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt. None of the books you've announced have been written, and none of them ever will. Go choke on your ill-gotten money.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt.

    In that case, you expended a considerable portion of your life not even writing, but commenting, on some shitty blog.

    Seethe harder, German_cuck.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I've done and accomplished other things as well. Whereas you're unable to refute my point that none of your book projects have ever come close to realization (probably too much time spent reading Reddit Worldnews).
    And lol, are you incredibly petty. There's a war going on, one that you enthusiastically support with the most braindead chauvinistic reasoning imaginable (you don't even pretend after all that it's primarily about protection of Russians or security interests, no, it's about grabbing land for imperial greatness and joyful national rejuvenation, lol) - and yet you seem incredibly triggered by the negative reaction of your former commenters and periodically pop up here to insult them, as if your hurt feelings are the most important thing ever. Get some perspective, man.
    Will be my last comment on this issue. I don't even like writing nasty comments about you, after all I did enjoy some of your commentary, it's very regrettable that it had to end this way. But from my perspective you've gone completely off the rails with your support of this war (not even reluctant or qualified, but like it's the best thing ever).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @RadicalCenter
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A decent response, Chechen Swordsman, but the fact remains that you were a nasty little bitch, needlessly insulted people and turned some of them off who had enjoyed your work and expressed support. Go back into Sailer's closet, you fucking genetic dead-end, and compare face diapers.

    Then go get your booster, and another, and another. Please.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  1194. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader


    Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt.
     
    In that case, you expended a considerable portion of your life not even writing, but commenting, on some shitty blog.

    Seethe harder, German_cuck.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    I’ve done and accomplished other things as well. Whereas you’re unable to refute my point that none of your book projects have ever come close to realization (probably too much time spent reading Reddit Worldnews).
    And lol, are you incredibly petty. There’s a war going on, one that you enthusiastically support with the most braindead chauvinistic reasoning imaginable (you don’t even pretend after all that it’s primarily about protection of Russians or security interests, no, it’s about grabbing land for imperial greatness and joyful national rejuvenation, lol) – and yet you seem incredibly triggered by the negative reaction of your former commenters and periodically pop up here to insult them, as if your hurt feelings are the most important thing ever. Get some perspective, man.
    Will be my last comment on this issue. I don’t even like writing nasty comments about you, after all I did enjoy some of your commentary, it’s very regrettable that it had to end this way. But from my perspective you’ve gone completely off the rails with your support of this war (not even reluctant or qualified, but like it’s the best thing ever).

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    If you read German_Readers comment and basically agree with the sentiment expressed, don't hold back but put you stamp of approval on it with an "agree". I enjoyed a lot of AK's commentary too, but couldn't help but notice his abrupt changeover into a warmongering ghoul right after February 24. His feeble attempts to try and censor some benign comments of mine, until Ron Unz removed this ability from him, revealed to me that he always really was only trying to be an old school commissar.

    https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screenshot_337.jpg

    Commissar Karlin cheerleading the orc army from the comforts of his Moscow apartment.

    Replies: @German_reader

  1195. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I've done and accomplished other things as well. Whereas you're unable to refute my point that none of your book projects have ever come close to realization (probably too much time spent reading Reddit Worldnews).
    And lol, are you incredibly petty. There's a war going on, one that you enthusiastically support with the most braindead chauvinistic reasoning imaginable (you don't even pretend after all that it's primarily about protection of Russians or security interests, no, it's about grabbing land for imperial greatness and joyful national rejuvenation, lol) - and yet you seem incredibly triggered by the negative reaction of your former commenters and periodically pop up here to insult them, as if your hurt feelings are the most important thing ever. Get some perspective, man.
    Will be my last comment on this issue. I don't even like writing nasty comments about you, after all I did enjoy some of your commentary, it's very regrettable that it had to end this way. But from my perspective you've gone completely off the rails with your support of this war (not even reluctant or qualified, but like it's the best thing ever).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    If you read German_Readers comment and basically agree with the sentiment expressed, don’t hold back but put you stamp of approval on it with an “agree”. I enjoyed a lot of AK’s commentary too, but couldn’t help but notice his abrupt changeover into a warmongering ghoul right after February 24. His feeble attempts to try and censor some benign comments of mine, until Ron Unz removed this ability from him, revealed to me that he always really was only trying to be an old school commissar.

    Commissar Karlin cheerleading the orc army from the comforts of his Moscow apartment.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    It's very sad. Of course only a minor issue compared to the loss of life and destruction in the war, but still regrettable.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  1196. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    If you read German_Readers comment and basically agree with the sentiment expressed, don't hold back but put you stamp of approval on it with an "agree". I enjoyed a lot of AK's commentary too, but couldn't help but notice his abrupt changeover into a warmongering ghoul right after February 24. His feeble attempts to try and censor some benign comments of mine, until Ron Unz removed this ability from him, revealed to me that he always really was only trying to be an old school commissar.

    https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Screenshot_337.jpg

    Commissar Karlin cheerleading the orc army from the comforts of his Moscow apartment.

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s very sad. Of course only a minor issue compared to the loss of life and destruction in the war, but still regrettable.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @German_reader

    I think that most everybody here liked Karlin to some extent, as he could exhibit some warm and interesting qualities. I've said it before, Karlin seemed to treat me quite fairly. That's why I was quite dismayed when he tried to censor my comments here. To sum it up, for me anyway, Karlin is a case of somebody whose nationalist/imperialist feelings get the best of a person, and he let's these emotions go too far.

  1197. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    When I last lived in Minnesota, you could still see some flying near the Mississippi in both Minneapolis and St. Paul. My father would go hunting for them, of course out in the country or farm country. I've only eaten pheasant twice that I can remember. Once in Cambridge as I've related, and once at a swanky wedding reception. I couldn't pass up the "pheasant under glass" that was on the menu and I'm glad that I didn't. A very delicious bird indeed, kind of a midway between turkey and duck. When I lived in St. Paul, a couple would come up on a hill where I lived, within the outdoor garage port, and I could watch them for up to an hour with my binoculars. It's almost a shame to kill these beautiful creatures, especially the male bird:

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/PtAAAOxy4dNSuyeF/s-l500.jpg
    Famous outdoor and nature artist Les Kouba's rendition.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    We have some pheasant around here but they are not native to N. America and populations are reliant on stocking. I think they may thrive naturally a bit more in other parts of the country, but around here the populations aren’t self supporting. Hunters like to hunt them, so raising and releasing is fairly common.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    https://nas-national-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/birds/rangemap/Ring-necked-Pheasant_map.jpg?tok=1634970960

    "Migration
    Apparently a permanent resident everywhere, both on native range and where introduced."

    https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/ring-necked-pheasant#:~:text=Farms%2C%20fields%2C%20marsh%20edges%2C,found%20in%20very%20arid%20places.

  1198. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    We have some pheasant around here but they are not native to N. America and populations are reliant on stocking. I think they may thrive naturally a bit more in other parts of the country, but around here the populations aren't self supporting. Hunters like to hunt them, so raising and releasing is fairly common.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    “Migration
    Apparently a permanent resident everywhere, both on native range and where introduced.”

    https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/ring-necked-pheasant#:~:text=Farms%2C%20fields%2C%20marsh%20edges%2C,found%20in%20very%20arid%20places.

  1199. @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack

    It's very sad. Of course only a minor issue compared to the loss of life and destruction in the war, but still regrettable.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I think that most everybody here liked Karlin to some extent, as he could exhibit some warm and interesting qualities. I’ve said it before, Karlin seemed to treat me quite fairly. That’s why I was quite dismayed when he tried to censor my comments here. To sum it up, for me anyway, Karlin is a case of somebody whose nationalist/imperialist feelings get the best of a person, and he let’s these emotions go too far.

    • Agree: German_reader
  1200. Ito Jakuchu
    Setchu kinkei-zu [Golden Pheasants in Snow]

  1201. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Who decides how much fighting is needed?
     
    That's just pure common sense - enough to protect ourselves.

    In general, yes.
     
    I'm starting to doubt that. It looks like you want the US out, but Russia in. You haven't been genuine.

    Except it wouldn’t be our own space. We are normal people (relatively speaking), but we would be forced to share the space with what looks at this point like a band of fanatical Poles, Galicians, Balts who would like to start a WWIII, who suffer from an incurable demented hatred of Russia, and who are not particularly good at running an economy (we are better).
     
    You're not all that much better. You're just tucked away more. If Lithuania had had the private entrepreneurship freedoms that the Czechs and Slovaks had back in the 80s, their GPR per capita would be higher now. It's just circumstances. And as I said, your participation in Intermarium is optional. You're not among the crucial ones.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …your participation in Intermarium is optional. You’re not among the crucial ones.

    That’s a relief. I was getting worried that Janis and Jacek were about to invade to teach us how horrible the Russians are. They may also notice that Intermarium without us would be a backwater: poor and remote, not really with three seas as in the plans.

    private entrepreneurship freedoms that the Czechs and Slovaks had back in the 80s

    That’s one thing we didn’t have, we only had family businesses. You are confusing that w Hungary and Poland. We both know that the reason we have always lived better is because we work smarter, don’t do stupid stuff like fighting apriori lost wars, and are more sober (usually).

    Intermarium with the likes of you, Poland, Moldova and god-forbid Romania would be the designated sh..thole of Europe. So no, thanks, but if we have to join others Brussels is better. I suspect even the eastern orc-khanate would be more prosperous than your Intermarium flat-lands. That’s why you want Donbas and Black Sea coast so much…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    because we work smarter
     
    Don't flatter yourself, your living standards are not that much higher as in Poland and the Baltic States. I've been to Slovakia, it's ok, but nothing to write home about. That's not the level we're aiming at.

    Btw...

    https://kafkadesk.org/2019/04/02/czech-republic-losing-appeal-in-eyes-of-german-investors/

    One thing that the Intermarium would not be is remote. That's absolute nonsense.

  1202. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    One of my favourite writers is Jaroslav Hasek, especially his The Good Soldier Svejk. Although some maintain that the subtly non-conformist Svejk and his less subtly non-conformist creator are not particularly typical of Czechs. A Czech expressed the view to me once that the Poles were more like the character but I disagreed (I am partly of Polish ancestry). Poles take Roman Catholicism quite seriously and have a particularly grim and also romanticised nationalism, currently being exploited for anti-Russian purposes. Czechs come across as much less religious and also seem to be rather Germanised Slavs.
    The Hapsburg enthusiasm of 1914 was probably genuine but seems to have gone off the boil quickly - by 1915 Czech soldiers in the Austro-Hungarian army were accused of deserting en masse to the Russians or at least failing to defend their positions. This was notably true of the 28th and 36th regiments, both heavily Czech, and in September that year Hasek himself was captured by the Russians with most of his unit under circumstances that suggest there was little resistance (and the officers fled, leaving their men leaderless). Hasek's regiment the 91st was roughly half and half Bohemian German and Czech.
    There was too much coercion under the Protectorate to draw too many conclusions about the Heydrich demos. The Communist popularity in 1946 was probably much more genuine.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Outsiders fail to see that the Czech enthusiasm and their switches are both genuine and fake at the same time. They live in the present, they adapt. Czechs have also evolved to be more domesticated – the brachycephaly and conformism are now endemic, Hasek would be impossible today. The joke is that all Czechs have a CV ready with first line “I have always liked eating rice” – with an eye on China.

    The Protectorate coercion is exaggerated. It was bad, but nobody was forced to march with German crosses and sing praises. Czechs did it because that’s the way they are: unserious with fears and a hint of this is all a joke. The same after 1945 under commies, at least initially that was more genuine – Czechs enjoy taking other people’s stuff. Then the brachycephalic social collapse kicked in – commies with their permissive generous society with free bread-and-beer and work that wasn’t really ‘work’ accelerated it.

    But what a fun place, it is among the best places in mankind’s history to live – and that has been true for decades or centuries. The rulers come and go, the good life stays.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    I liked Prague, which I have visited twice.
    Hasek was somewhat against the grain even in his own time but seems not to have been subject to serious political persecution. Austro-Hungarian officials before WW1 at any rate seem to have seen him as one of Prague's "characters" and he was not seriously punished after numerous escapades. Whether he would be impossible today, I don't know - his unseriousness might fit in with some current trends. He has been contrasted with his Prague contemporary, Franz Kafka. They seem never to have met and German speakers in Prague, including Jews like Kafka, and Czechs don't seem to have mixed all that much, even though Kafka could speak colloquial Czech.

    Replies: @Beckow

  1203. @LatW
    @Wielgus


    I am sure the Germans thought the same, in 1945…
     
    Yea, but it's 2022 now. It looks very obsolete and backward.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I owned a book of Red posters issued during the Russian Civil War, and read it about the time of the USSR’s collapse in 1991. It was notable that the Reds associated the current Russian tricolour with the Whites. I had a sense that Yeltsin etc. were trying turn everything back to before 1917.
    Meanwhile ex-Soviet republics like Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. adopted flags that I recognised as having been represented in shoulder flashes and other symbols of Waffen-SS divisions or other units during WW2 – not exactly recent phenomena either. The famous tryzub symbol of the Ukrainians appeared on one of their propaganda sheets dated April 19, 1945, saluting Adolf Hitler, who took his life eleven days after it appeared. Not really up-to-date stuff.
    In terms of future-looking symbols it might turn out to be a shoot-out between the Diversity flag of GloboHomo, which I see is currently on the front of the US Embassy in Athens, or the flag of the People’s Republic of China – which also happens to be red.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wielgus


    Meanwhile ex-Soviet republics like Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. adopted flags that I recognised as having been represented in shoulder flashes and other symbols of Waffen-SS divisions or other units during WW2
     
    No, that's a lie. These flags were adopted BEFORE the Nazi invasion. Way before. As in late 19th century. These flags are not situational, but the real flags of the Baltic countries from after 1918. Our flag comes from the middle ages.

    Frankly, after February 24 I really don't care what the likes of you think about it.

    The fact is that there are too many red Soviet flags appearing in the occupied territories. It looks very old school and tacky, not to mention disgusting and offensive.

    I understand that it's their religion now. Dmitry posted a video of a RusFed parade a while back, and there was a moment where the soldiers were carrying what appears the original red flags from 1945. The voice over was saying "This is our religion" (was hard to say whether he meant their religion is "Victory of 1945" or the red flags with the hammer and sickle, it was too ambiguous).

    Religion is something one keeps private. You certainly don't force it into a foreign country or wave in front of the cameras. They can have whatever religion they want as long as they fuck off and keep it to themselves.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1204. @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    Outsiders fail to see that the Czech enthusiasm and their switches are both genuine and fake at the same time. They live in the present, they adapt. Czechs have also evolved to be more domesticated - the brachycephaly and conformism are now endemic, Hasek would be impossible today. The joke is that all Czechs have a CV ready with first line "I have always liked eating rice" - with an eye on China.

    The Protectorate coercion is exaggerated. It was bad, but nobody was forced to march with German crosses and sing praises. Czechs did it because that's the way they are: unserious with fears and a hint of this is all a joke. The same after 1945 under commies, at least initially that was more genuine - Czechs enjoy taking other people's stuff. Then the brachycephalic social collapse kicked in - commies with their permissive generous society with free bread-and-beer and work that wasn't really 'work' accelerated it.

    But what a fun place, it is among the best places in mankind's history to live - and that has been true for decades or centuries. The rulers come and go, the good life stays.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I liked Prague, which I have visited twice.
    Hasek was somewhat against the grain even in his own time but seems not to have been subject to serious political persecution. Austro-Hungarian officials before WW1 at any rate seem to have seen him as one of Prague’s “characters” and he was not seriously punished after numerous escapades. Whether he would be impossible today, I don’t know – his unseriousness might fit in with some current trends. He has been contrasted with his Prague contemporary, Franz Kafka. They seem never to have met and German speakers in Prague, including Jews like Kafka, and Czechs don’t seem to have mixed all that much, even though Kafka could speak colloquial Czech.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    Hasek was picked as a celebrated writer - he was genuinly good - after WWI because the The Good Soldier... allowed the Czech society to explain to themselves why there were such pussies under the Habsburgs and at the beginning of WWI. Schweik is about pretending dumb obedience and enthusiasm while undermining the system from inside. It is a stretch, and of course it is far from reality. But it was basically an apologia.

    Kafka has never been particularly popular in Czechia, or even understood. And not because of his outsider German Jew status. Kafka simply described what the bureaucracy was like under the Habsburgs - that's what his books are about, not some made-up "totalitarianism". The late Habsburg system was bureaucratic to the point of absurdity and dysfunctional in a very annoying way. Czechs reading it at that time would simply say, "what's new there, that's what we live with". For some in the West it was a revelation. Kafka's ethnic status also didn't hurt. But he was a manufactured celebrity, unfortunately post mortem for him. Nobody actually reads him - he is unreadable. It is only about an occasional allusion to 'kafkaesque" this or that. A political play.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wielgus

  1205. S says:
    @Greasy William
    @LondonBob

    I wish the Western economies would hurry up and collapse already. I'm sick of waiting.

    Fuck Joe Biden.

    Replies: @S

    I wish the Western economies would hurry up and collapse already. I’m sick of waiting.

    Not to worry.

    The Fall of Capitalism, ie the economic and political collapse of the United States and it’s Western bloc, should happen soon enough, and you will have gotten your wish. It’ll be just like the Fall of Communism a little over thirty years ago, when the Soviet Union and it’s Eastern bloc ‘fell’.

    Just like then, and despite what we will be told, this will have been a top down affair, and not bottom up, and certainly not ‘naturally occurring’ either.

    Even so, those of a ‘Leftist’ collectivist bent will take responsibility for the event, even encouraged to do so by the powers that be, just as those of a ‘Right’ individualist bent took responsibility for the Fall of Communism, and were encouraged to so then by those in power, though in reality in each instance this will hardly have been the case.

    Just as the Fall of Communism was accompanied by much looting of the remnants of the economic system, so, too, will be the Fall of Capitalism and it’s economic remnants be accompanied by much looting.

    The worker is worthy of his wages those behind these historic events tell themselves!

    Then this centuries old manufactured and broadly controlled (crimethink, I know) Hegelian Dialectic will be moved ever closer towards a final synthesis of Capitalism and Communism to form global Multi-culturalism, and towards the ushering in of a new world-wide super-state/empire to be called the United States of the World, of which the founding of the United States of [North] America, in 1776, was merely the first cog.

    https://archive.org/details/newrome00poes/page/n15/mode/2up

  1206. @Beckow
    @LatW


    ...your participation in Intermarium is optional. You’re not among the crucial ones.
     
    That's a relief. I was getting worried that Janis and Jacek were about to invade to teach us how horrible the Russians are. They may also notice that Intermarium without us would be a backwater: poor and remote, not really with three seas as in the plans.

    private entrepreneurship freedoms that the Czechs and Slovaks had back in the 80s
     
    That's one thing we didn't have, we only had family businesses. You are confusing that w Hungary and Poland. We both know that the reason we have always lived better is because we work smarter, don't do stupid stuff like fighting apriori lost wars, and are more sober (usually).

    Intermarium with the likes of you, Poland, Moldova and god-forbid Romania would be the designated sh..thole of Europe. So no, thanks, but if we have to join others Brussels is better. I suspect even the eastern orc-khanate would be more prosperous than your Intermarium flat-lands. That's why you want Donbas and Black Sea coast so much...

    Replies: @LatW

    because we work smarter

    Don’t flatter yourself, your living standards are not that much higher as in Poland and the Baltic States. I’ve been to Slovakia, it’s ok, but nothing to write home about. That’s not the level we’re aiming at.

    Btw…

    https://kafkadesk.org/2019/04/02/czech-republic-losing-appeal-in-eyes-of-german-investors/

    One thing that the Intermarium would not be is remote. That’s absolute nonsense.

  1207. LatW says:
    @Wielgus
    @LatW

    I owned a book of Red posters issued during the Russian Civil War, and read it about the time of the USSR's collapse in 1991. It was notable that the Reds associated the current Russian tricolour with the Whites. I had a sense that Yeltsin etc. were trying turn everything back to before 1917.
    Meanwhile ex-Soviet republics like Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. adopted flags that I recognised as having been represented in shoulder flashes and other symbols of Waffen-SS divisions or other units during WW2 - not exactly recent phenomena either. The famous tryzub symbol of the Ukrainians appeared on one of their propaganda sheets dated April 19, 1945, saluting Adolf Hitler, who took his life eleven days after it appeared. Not really up-to-date stuff.
    In terms of future-looking symbols it might turn out to be a shoot-out between the Diversity flag of GloboHomo, which I see is currently on the front of the US Embassy in Athens, or the flag of the People's Republic of China - which also happens to be red.

    Replies: @LatW

    Meanwhile ex-Soviet republics like Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. adopted flags that I recognised as having been represented in shoulder flashes and other symbols of Waffen-SS divisions or other units during WW2

    No, that’s a lie. These flags were adopted BEFORE the Nazi invasion. Way before. As in late 19th century. These flags are not situational, but the real flags of the Baltic countries from after 1918. Our flag comes from the middle ages.

    Frankly, after February 24 I really don’t care what the likes of you think about it.

    The fact is that there are too many red Soviet flags appearing in the occupied territories. It looks very old school and tacky, not to mention disgusting and offensive.

    I understand that it’s their religion now. Dmitry posted a video of a RusFed parade a while back, and there was a moment where the soldiers were carrying what appears the original red flags from 1945. The voice over was saying “This is our religion” (was hard to say whether he meant their religion is “Victory of 1945” or the red flags with the hammer and sickle, it was too ambiguous).

    Religion is something one keeps private. You certainly don’t force it into a foreign country or wave in front of the cameras. They can have whatever religion they want as long as they fuck off and keep it to themselves.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @LatW

    Yeah, I'm equally indifferent to your opinion. That the Nazis made a pitch to Latvian etc. nationalism just tells me they felt an affinity with trying to develop little nation nationalism against the Soviets. And they probably reckoned they could actually control these smaller nations so there was less risk from developing their nationalism. The Western and Cold War oriented, indeed pro-Zionist Frederick Forsyth mentions brutish Latvian SS running a concentration camp at Riga in The Odessa File. They are of course honoured today in Latvia.
    The Nazis were notably slower to encourage Vlasov in any way other than using him for propaganda - not until late 1944 was he actually given any control over any military units, and the reason I suspect was that developing Russian nationalism, even an anti-USSR version, was a hot potato that they might have trouble holding for long. Whereas Latvians, Ukrainians etc. could be controlled.
    When Latvia and such places started honouring Waffen-SS units while ranting about "occupiers", I lost interest in whatever they thought - long before February 24 this year. But like I say, the future is most likely either GloboHomo or China.

    Replies: @LatW

  1208. The voice over was saying “This is our religion” (was hard to say whether he meant their religion is “Victory of 1945” or the red flags with the hammer and sickle, it was too ambiguous).

    It would be surprising if they meant Marxist-Leninism was their religion or cause again. If lots of soldiers thought that is what they were fighting for though I wonder if it would have any repercussions on politics after the war?

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Coconuts


    It would be surprising if they meant Marxist-Leninism was their religion or cause again. If lots of soldiers thought that is what they were fighting for though I wonder if it would have any repercussions on politics after the war?
     
    They don't really mean Marxist-Leninism per se. The Russians have something they call скрепы (skrepi) or духовные скрепы, something like binding moral principles, loosely translatable as "spiritual binding elements or symbols".

    Скрепа literally means a staple, a brooch, a connection, something that hold things together. I would translate it as "a tightener", "a binding principle, symbolic idea". It comes from the root that's common to words such as крепко (hard, tight, robust, strong), скрепить (to strengthen, to make tighter, to patch together), крепость (fortress, fortified structure). Basically, those are somewhat intangible ideas that float around their communal psyche that stem from their past that resonate with everyone in society. They're not easy to define, but you know them when you see them, so to speak. :)

    And the red flag and ideas and memories that revolve around it is one of those "skrepas".


    Actually, I have to correct myself, I rewatched the video and the master of ceremony does not use the word "religion", but "relic" which sounds similar. So I apologize for that mistake. But it's very close because a relic is not just something that one keeps as a trophy from a military victory, but could also be something that is placed in a royal crypt, as a sacred object. So it is pseudo religious at least. Nationalism is very much like religion in fact.

    When the flags are brought out to the tune of the most famous WWII hymn ("The People's War"), the master of ceremony says something like "This is our sacred banner, it is our relic".

    So as far as it is a domestic thing for the Russians, I understand. But I don't think they should bring it around. I was a bit taken aback, as I was expecting them to wave the tricolor in the occupied territories. But also -- remember that Putin, right on the eve of the invasion, sarcastically said "I'll show you decommunisation". He was so angry.

    Replies: @S

  1209. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Glad that you're becoming a sort of an audiophile in your own right, and have an interest in old stereo equipment. I should have described the "amplifier" as a "receiver", because that's what it was called back in the 1980's when I bought it. Back in the day, a "receiver" was usually an important bit of stereophonic equipment that wa encased in a rectangular black box and included an amplifier, AM/FM radio and all manner of switches that would allow the listener to adjust the sound (balance, volume, base, treble etc). It might also include inputs for headphones too. The back of the receiver would be where you would screw in the wires to connect the speakers and also the turntable, tape player and CD player. Tape players were actually a big deal back then, as cassette tapes had evolved to produce a high quality sound that even rivaled the quality of its predecessor, the reel to reel tape player (really quite excellent sound). Another advantage of the cassette system was how inexpensive tapes were, allowing the collector to quickly build an impressive library of performances.

    I even wonder whether "receivers" are even used or produced much these days? The receiver that I own is about 40 years old and was made by Zenith. Still works pretty good. I don't really understand the exact function of a Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 USB Audio Interface system, but at $59 its certainly affordable. I suspect that its designed to capture the music provided by streaming stations like Spotify?...

    Replies: @Dmitry

    function of a Behringer U-Phoria UMC22 USB Audio Interface

    We can use audio interface to connect a computer (by USB) to the amplifier. You would need the TS to RCA cable and insert TS cables in the audio interface and then RCA cable inserted to the amplifier.

    Then you can play music from your computer to your hi-fi. You can use e.g. https://www.exactaudiocopy.de to move all your CD collection to your computer hard drive as FLAC files. Then you can play the files and they will sound the same as from your CD player.

    With audio interfaces, you could also connect your guitar, synthesizer, microphone to your computer. This is what the front of the audio interface is for.

    The negative side, would be you need to turn on a computer (with its distraction) in order to play music, whereas a traditional CD player you can enjoy without computer distraction. But the CD players break and as you said you wanted a carousel one which don’t sell much nowadays.

    I suspect that its designed to capture the music provided by streaming stations like Spotify?…

    It doesn’t stream music, but just connects your personal computer to the amplifier. You could use spotify on your computer.

    A streamer might be a better idea for you (as you don’t need to turn on your computer to play music).

    receiver” was usually an important bit of stereophonic equipment that wa encased in a rectangular black box a.. I own is about 40 years old and was made by Zenith

    Yes they still exist, but it’s the amplifier which you use (unless listening to radio).

    It would have RCA input in the back, so you could connect it to computer via audio interface, the same as how you connect your CD player in the back.

    But you probably wouldn’t connect it direct to the television, without a DAC onboard (more modern receivers include the DAC), as more modern TV often only has digital output.

    becoming a sort of an audiophile in your own right, and have an interest in old stereo equipment.

    Old equipment is really interesting, but personally I don’t collect it. I have difficulty storing just my new equipment. It already looks like scientist laboratory.
    Remember I had the same discussion with you 4 years ago

  1210. @Thulean Friend
    @LondonBob

    You're thinking of raggare. It's a subculture that sprang out from the white working-class and is generally perceived as low status. Quite distinct from the urbanite consoomer that Dmitry is following.

    They typically have big get-togethers a few times per year and it's possible you caught the glimpse of one. Generally speaking they are more numerous in rural and poorer areas, but sometimes they go to the cities to "demonstrate" their presence and rub salt into the wounds of effete metropolitan liberals.

    https://i.imgur.com/psGRAmT.jpg

    https://i.imgur.com/SbdBBHO.jpg

    Raggare being talked about pejoratively of course has an element of class elitism at play but there are also idpol reasons. The flying of the confederate flag is not unheard at these events. It's ironic that both opposing groups are so thoroughly Americanised that they are importing a cultural clash from the US and LARPing for their respective side. Pretty pathetic IMO.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Do you think Swedish people might have a special taste for cars from America?

    That’s a very conformist Swedish hypebeast for his watches, hi-fi, sneakers (e.g. Patek Philippe, Rolex, Genelec, etc).

    But has a garage full of the 1990s Corvettes. At least he didn’t go to the 1950s like some Swedish car fans.

  1211. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    I liked Prague, which I have visited twice.
    Hasek was somewhat against the grain even in his own time but seems not to have been subject to serious political persecution. Austro-Hungarian officials before WW1 at any rate seem to have seen him as one of Prague's "characters" and he was not seriously punished after numerous escapades. Whether he would be impossible today, I don't know - his unseriousness might fit in with some current trends. He has been contrasted with his Prague contemporary, Franz Kafka. They seem never to have met and German speakers in Prague, including Jews like Kafka, and Czechs don't seem to have mixed all that much, even though Kafka could speak colloquial Czech.

    Replies: @Beckow

    Hasek was picked as a celebrated writer – he was genuinly good – after WWI because the The Good Soldier… allowed the Czech society to explain to themselves why there were such pussies under the Habsburgs and at the beginning of WWI. Schweik is about pretending dumb obedience and enthusiasm while undermining the system from inside. It is a stretch, and of course it is far from reality. But it was basically an apologia.

    Kafka has never been particularly popular in Czechia, or even understood. And not because of his outsider German Jew status. Kafka simply described what the bureaucracy was like under the Habsburgs – that’s what his books are about, not some made-up “totalitarianism”. The late Habsburg system was bureaucratic to the point of absurdity and dysfunctional in a very annoying way. Czechs reading it at that time would simply say, “what’s new there, that’s what we live with“. For some in the West it was a revelation. Kafka’s ethnic status also didn’t hurt. But he was a manufactured celebrity, unfortunately post mortem for him. Nobody actually reads him – he is unreadable. It is only about an occasional allusion to ‘kafkaesque” this or that. A political play.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    Nobody actually reads him – he is unreadable.
     
    I read his Metamorphosis and The Trial quite avidly when young, the first one I swallowed rather quickly, driven by morbid curiosity and mild shock from the very first page (it's a short one, too), the second was more "painful", so to speak, but still quite engaging. It's not the absurd itself that's hard to grasp, but the vacillation from the realistic to absurd. He's very dark and not that easy to interpret.

    Replies: @Beckow

    , @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Returning from Russia, Hasek certainly faced hurdles - he was widely seen as a traitor for going over to the Bolsheviks after enrolling in the Czech Legion. The rather large number of Czechs who had supported the Hapsburgs to the end didn't like him much either although they mostly made their peace with the Republic. At least two of the real life models for Austro-Hungarian officers in the book, Lukas and Sagner, became officers in the Czechoslovak Army.
    Nonetheless, Hasek managed to get published. His pre-war reputation for comic stories had survived. Czechoslovakia was in many ways comparatively liberal - it is hard to see a Polish Communist active in Russia returning to Warsaw in the early 1920s and being allowed to publish a satirical book in the way Hasek did in Czechoslovakia. Such a Pole would have been more likely to see a jail cell than a publishing house.
    The book was published in serial form and the early parts already created a sensation. Probably many Czechs did see themselves in it. n
    As to Kafka, several of his works were on my German syllabus - I chose "Austrian" literature and he was included in it. I would disagree that he is unreadable although he is reckoned to be more profound than he was.

    Replies: @Beckow

  1212. LatW says:
    @Coconuts

    The voice over was saying “This is our religion” (was hard to say whether he meant their religion is “Victory of 1945” or the red flags with the hammer and sickle, it was too ambiguous).
     
    It would be surprising if they meant Marxist-Leninism was their religion or cause again. If lots of soldiers thought that is what they were fighting for though I wonder if it would have any repercussions on politics after the war?

    Replies: @LatW

    It would be surprising if they meant Marxist-Leninism was their religion or cause again. If lots of soldiers thought that is what they were fighting for though I wonder if it would have any repercussions on politics after the war?

    They don’t really mean Marxist-Leninism per se. The Russians have something they call скрепы (skrepi) or духовные скрепы, something like binding moral principles, loosely translatable as “spiritual binding elements or symbols”.

    Скрепа literally means a staple, a brooch, a connection, something that hold things together. I would translate it as “a tightener”, “a binding principle, symbolic idea”. It comes from the root that’s common to words such as крепко (hard, tight, robust, strong), скрепить (to strengthen, to make tighter, to patch together), крепость (fortress, fortified structure). Basically, those are somewhat intangible ideas that float around their communal psyche that stem from their past that resonate with everyone in society. They’re not easy to define, but you know them when you see them, so to speak. 🙂

    And the red flag and ideas and memories that revolve around it is one of those “skrepas”.

    [MORE]

    Actually, I have to correct myself, I rewatched the video and the master of ceremony does not use the word “religion”, but “relic” which sounds similar. So I apologize for that mistake. But it’s very close because a relic is not just something that one keeps as a trophy from a military victory, but could also be something that is placed in a royal crypt, as a sacred object. So it is pseudo religious at least. Nationalism is very much like religion in fact.

    When the flags are brought out to the tune of the most famous WWII hymn (“The People’s War”), the master of ceremony says something like “This is our sacred banner, it is our relic”.

    So as far as it is a domestic thing for the Russians, I understand. But I don’t think they should bring it around. I was a bit taken aback, as I was expecting them to wave the tricolor in the occupied territories. But also — remember that Putin, right on the eve of the invasion, sarcastically said “I’ll show you decommunisation”. He was so angry.

    • Thanks: Coconuts
    • Replies: @S
    @LatW


    But also — remember that Putin, right on the eve of the invasion, sarcastically said “I’ll show you decommunisation”. He was so angry.

     

    Any thoughts on Putin, the man, ie his character, personality, etc.? What do you think he meant when he said 'I'll show you decommunisation'? Mere angry hyperbole, or, something else? If you happen to be familiar with him, any thoughts on Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn? [I'm aware probably 98% plus of defectors were probably disinformation agents.]

    I will say, controlled opposition that I think he is, that Putin showed some real courage meeting face to face with the family members of the deceased crew of the sunken Kursk, who seemed ready to lynch someone. The translated videos I've seen of him speaking he seems rational and pragmatic.

    US media has difficulty demonizing Putin because he looks like a harmless government bureaucrat, or, an equally harmless bank vice-president. His appearance doesn't readily lend itself to ridicule, though that doesn't stop the corporate media from trying.

    Probably plenty of the bad things said by the US about Putin are true. However, when I see Biden accusing Putin of this and that, I just about gag, because everything he accuses Putin of (ie corruption and dictatorship) is at least as true of Biden himself [See Biden's son Hunter's laptop and 2020 stolen election allegations for details.] It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    There's a Biblical admonition, which certainly applies here, to first take the beam out of one's own eye so that you can see clearly to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.

    Anyone who wishes is welcome to add their two cents on Putin.

    So as far as it is a domestic thing for the Russians, I understand. But I don’t think they should bring it around. I was a bit taken aback, as I was expecting them to wave the tricolor in the occupied territories.
     
    If the Fall of Capitalism takes place, something I think may well happen, and the US remnant adopts a different flag, I suspect that similarly many on occasion would pull out the stars and stripes and wave it instead of the new flag.

    I rewatched the video and the master of ceremony does not use the word “religion”, but “relic” which sounds similar. So I apologize for that mistake. But it’s very close because a relic is not just something that one keeps as a trophy from a military victory, but could also be something that is placed in a royal crypt, as a sacred object. So it is pseudo religious at least. Nationalism is very much like religion in fact.

    When the flags are brought out to the tune of the most famous WWII hymn (“The People’s War”), the master of ceremony says something like “This is our sacred banner, it is our relic”.
     
    Reminds me of an old 1968 episode of Star Trek. On a parallel Earth the US and China engage in a war using biological agents. The Chinese prevail and overrun the Earth, while the United States is reduced to a stone age existance. Never the less, the United States engages in a centuries long reconquista against China, and regains their lost territory.

    In the meantime, God and Country had figuratively merged, and the US flag and founding documents had become something like religious icons, their original meaning having largely been forgotten. [See clip]


    https://youtu.be/To10QvcRkoE
  1213. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    Hasek was picked as a celebrated writer - he was genuinly good - after WWI because the The Good Soldier... allowed the Czech society to explain to themselves why there were such pussies under the Habsburgs and at the beginning of WWI. Schweik is about pretending dumb obedience and enthusiasm while undermining the system from inside. It is a stretch, and of course it is far from reality. But it was basically an apologia.

    Kafka has never been particularly popular in Czechia, or even understood. And not because of his outsider German Jew status. Kafka simply described what the bureaucracy was like under the Habsburgs - that's what his books are about, not some made-up "totalitarianism". The late Habsburg system was bureaucratic to the point of absurdity and dysfunctional in a very annoying way. Czechs reading it at that time would simply say, "what's new there, that's what we live with". For some in the West it was a revelation. Kafka's ethnic status also didn't hurt. But he was a manufactured celebrity, unfortunately post mortem for him. Nobody actually reads him - he is unreadable. It is only about an occasional allusion to 'kafkaesque" this or that. A political play.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wielgus

    Nobody actually reads him – he is unreadable.

    I read his Metamorphosis and The Trial quite avidly when young, the first one I swallowed rather quickly, driven by morbid curiosity and mild shock from the very first page (it’s a short one, too), the second was more “painful”, so to speak, but still quite engaging. It’s not the absurd itself that’s hard to grasp, but the vacillation from the realistic to absurd. He’s very dark and not that easy to interpret.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    You have more patience that I. We had The Trial at home so I attempted to read it, but gave up. It is like taking a one-paragraph idea and needlessly stretching it into a book. Catch-22 and a few other classic books are the same.

    Kafka's darkness is simply a reflection of his depression - or bipolarity. He worked with the Habsburg bureaucracy and was sickly, even Prague couldn't cure that. The interpretation is quite simple but it escapes most Westerners: modern process paperwork is sh.t and it grows exponentially, it feeds on itself and paralyzes everyone who gets pulled into it. There are no results, nothing tangible, but one can end up like a vermin stuck in that sh..t, unable to escape or even move: the Habsburg world.

    We have reentered the process nightmare world. With all the great connected systems, now globalized, increasingly nobody knows what is 'checking' on what or why. C19 made it much worse. Modern bureaucracy processes are about a low-trust society and make-work - as they grow, and they will grow exponentially, we will reenter Kafka's nightmare Habsburg world. Nature helps, but increasingly the busybodies with no purpose in their lives are encroaching there too, trimming access, making it 'better'...Kafka is alive and well. We shouldn't fear AI, but this self-made nonsense world of 'process work'...

    Replies: @LatW

  1214. @LatW
    @Wielgus


    Meanwhile ex-Soviet republics like Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Georgia etc. adopted flags that I recognised as having been represented in shoulder flashes and other symbols of Waffen-SS divisions or other units during WW2
     
    No, that's a lie. These flags were adopted BEFORE the Nazi invasion. Way before. As in late 19th century. These flags are not situational, but the real flags of the Baltic countries from after 1918. Our flag comes from the middle ages.

    Frankly, after February 24 I really don't care what the likes of you think about it.

    The fact is that there are too many red Soviet flags appearing in the occupied territories. It looks very old school and tacky, not to mention disgusting and offensive.

    I understand that it's their religion now. Dmitry posted a video of a RusFed parade a while back, and there was a moment where the soldiers were carrying what appears the original red flags from 1945. The voice over was saying "This is our religion" (was hard to say whether he meant their religion is "Victory of 1945" or the red flags with the hammer and sickle, it was too ambiguous).

    Religion is something one keeps private. You certainly don't force it into a foreign country or wave in front of the cameras. They can have whatever religion they want as long as they fuck off and keep it to themselves.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Yeah, I’m equally indifferent to your opinion. That the Nazis made a pitch to Latvian etc. nationalism just tells me they felt an affinity with trying to develop little nation nationalism against the Soviets. And they probably reckoned they could actually control these smaller nations so there was less risk from developing their nationalism. The Western and Cold War oriented, indeed pro-Zionist Frederick Forsyth mentions brutish Latvian SS running a concentration camp at Riga in The Odessa File. They are of course honoured today in Latvia.
    The Nazis were notably slower to encourage Vlasov in any way other than using him for propaganda – not until late 1944 was he actually given any control over any military units, and the reason I suspect was that developing Russian nationalism, even an anti-USSR version, was a hot potato that they might have trouble holding for long. Whereas Latvians, Ukrainians etc. could be controlled.
    When Latvia and such places started honouring Waffen-SS units while ranting about “occupiers”, I lost interest in whatever they thought – long before February 24 this year. But like I say, the future is most likely either GloboHomo or China.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Wielgus


    That the Nazis made a pitch to Latvian etc. nationalism just tells me they felt an affinity with trying to develop little nation nationalism against the Soviets.
     
    I don't normally talk to antifas, but I just wanted to remind you that the Soviets, not the Nazis came first. So the dislike for the Soviets was already there, given what they had done, making the job of Nazis easier.

    But like I say, the future is most likely either GloboHomo or China
     
    That's way too defeatist.

    When Latvia and such places started honouring Waffen-SS units while ranting about “occupiers”, I lost interest in whatever they thought
     
    The official state position is that they were both occupiers. This is widely acknowledged as historically accurate and the correct attitude, in media, academics, wider public. In Ukraine they will have the same outlook.
  1215. LatW says:
    @Wielgus
    @LatW

    Yeah, I'm equally indifferent to your opinion. That the Nazis made a pitch to Latvian etc. nationalism just tells me they felt an affinity with trying to develop little nation nationalism against the Soviets. And they probably reckoned they could actually control these smaller nations so there was less risk from developing their nationalism. The Western and Cold War oriented, indeed pro-Zionist Frederick Forsyth mentions brutish Latvian SS running a concentration camp at Riga in The Odessa File. They are of course honoured today in Latvia.
    The Nazis were notably slower to encourage Vlasov in any way other than using him for propaganda - not until late 1944 was he actually given any control over any military units, and the reason I suspect was that developing Russian nationalism, even an anti-USSR version, was a hot potato that they might have trouble holding for long. Whereas Latvians, Ukrainians etc. could be controlled.
    When Latvia and such places started honouring Waffen-SS units while ranting about "occupiers", I lost interest in whatever they thought - long before February 24 this year. But like I say, the future is most likely either GloboHomo or China.

    Replies: @LatW

    That the Nazis made a pitch to Latvian etc. nationalism just tells me they felt an affinity with trying to develop little nation nationalism against the Soviets.

    I don’t normally talk to antifas, but I just wanted to remind you that the Soviets, not the Nazis came first. So the dislike for the Soviets was already there, given what they had done, making the job of Nazis easier.

    But like I say, the future is most likely either GloboHomo or China

    That’s way too defeatist.

    When Latvia and such places started honouring Waffen-SS units while ranting about “occupiers”, I lost interest in whatever they thought

    The official state position is that they were both occupiers. This is widely acknowledged as historically accurate and the correct attitude, in media, academics, wider public. In Ukraine they will have the same outlook.

  1216. @Beckow
    @Wielgus

    Hasek was picked as a celebrated writer - he was genuinly good - after WWI because the The Good Soldier... allowed the Czech society to explain to themselves why there were such pussies under the Habsburgs and at the beginning of WWI. Schweik is about pretending dumb obedience and enthusiasm while undermining the system from inside. It is a stretch, and of course it is far from reality. But it was basically an apologia.

    Kafka has never been particularly popular in Czechia, or even understood. And not because of his outsider German Jew status. Kafka simply described what the bureaucracy was like under the Habsburgs - that's what his books are about, not some made-up "totalitarianism". The late Habsburg system was bureaucratic to the point of absurdity and dysfunctional in a very annoying way. Czechs reading it at that time would simply say, "what's new there, that's what we live with". For some in the West it was a revelation. Kafka's ethnic status also didn't hurt. But he was a manufactured celebrity, unfortunately post mortem for him. Nobody actually reads him - he is unreadable. It is only about an occasional allusion to 'kafkaesque" this or that. A political play.

    Replies: @LatW, @Wielgus

    Returning from Russia, Hasek certainly faced hurdles – he was widely seen as a traitor for going over to the Bolsheviks after enrolling in the Czech Legion. The rather large number of Czechs who had supported the Hapsburgs to the end didn’t like him much either although they mostly made their peace with the Republic. At least two of the real life models for Austro-Hungarian officers in the book, Lukas and Sagner, became officers in the Czechoslovak Army.
    Nonetheless, Hasek managed to get published. His pre-war reputation for comic stories had survived. Czechoslovakia was in many ways comparatively liberal – it is hard to see a Polish Communist active in Russia returning to Warsaw in the early 1920s and being allowed to publish a satirical book in the way Hasek did in Czechoslovakia. Such a Pole would have been more likely to see a jail cell than a publishing house.
    The book was published in serial form and the early parts already created a sensation. Probably many Czechs did see themselves in it. n
    As to Kafka, several of his works were on my German syllabus – I chose “Austrian” literature and he was included in it. I would disagree that he is unreadable although he is reckoned to be more profound than he was.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @Wielgus


    ...he was widely seen as a traitor for going over to the Bolsheviks after enrolling in the Czech Legion.
     
    For some Hasek was a traitor and a drunk, but Czechia had one of the largest Bolshevik parties in the world and by 1930's the local communists were 2nd or 3rd party in the Parliament with their own media empire and massive support especially in big cities. They were also very radical commies - I mentioned that Czechs like taking other people's stuff. Commies and their allied socialists were effectively about half of the Czech society. After 1945 that exploded and everybody was suddenly a "socialist" of a different hue. Until they were not after 1989, or said so.

    Hasek was also a bon vivant with an oversized personality and that provides protection in Czechia that has a weird tolerance for anything big and daring. Czechia fundamentally lacks societal discipline, the way Poles or Germans have it, everybody is always in a 'rebellion' against everything. The funniest thing were the 80's commies who always tried to distance themselves from their own system - a two-face absurdity. That's why Czechs often end up being ruled by others, Austrians, Germans, now Americans. Under late commies the less absurdist and more traditional Slovaks often played that role (Dubcek, Husak, Bilak were all Slovaks).

    Replies: @Wielgus

  1217. @LatW
    @Beckow


    Nobody actually reads him – he is unreadable.
     
    I read his Metamorphosis and The Trial quite avidly when young, the first one I swallowed rather quickly, driven by morbid curiosity and mild shock from the very first page (it's a short one, too), the second was more "painful", so to speak, but still quite engaging. It's not the absurd itself that's hard to grasp, but the vacillation from the realistic to absurd. He's very dark and not that easy to interpret.

    Replies: @Beckow

    You have more patience that I. We had The Trial at home so I attempted to read it, but gave up. It is like taking a one-paragraph idea and needlessly stretching it into a book. Catch-22 and a few other classic books are the same.

    Kafka’s darkness is simply a reflection of his depression – or bipolarity. He worked with the Habsburg bureaucracy and was sickly, even Prague couldn’t cure that. The interpretation is quite simple but it escapes most Westerners: modern process paperwork is sh.t and it grows exponentially, it feeds on itself and paralyzes everyone who gets pulled into it. There are no results, nothing tangible, but one can end up like a vermin stuck in that sh..t, unable to escape or even move: the Habsburg world.

    We have reentered the process nightmare world. With all the great connected systems, now globalized, increasingly nobody knows what is ‘checking’ on what or why. C19 made it much worse. Modern bureaucracy processes are about a low-trust society and make-work – as they grow, and they will grow exponentially, we will reenter Kafka’s nightmare Habsburg world. Nature helps, but increasingly the busybodies with no purpose in their lives are encroaching there too, trimming access, making it ‘better’…Kafka is alive and well. We shouldn’t fear AI, but this self-made nonsense world of ‘process work’…

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Beckow


    You have more patience that I. We had The Trial at home so I attempted to read it, but gave up. It is like taking a one-paragraph idea and needlessly stretching it into a book. Catch-22 and a few other classic books are the same.
     
    Right, but it creates a very powerful effect, especially in the beginning. I didn't need to be patient at all in the beginning of the story, as I was enjoying it thoroughly, because I felt a chilling suspense by the way the story was set up. The absurdity of the accusations, the anonymous prosecutors, the setting, it's captivating. Then it just endlessly stretches out and rationally one knows that this is the point of the story, to demonstrate the absurd, but on the emotional level, it becomes tormenting, waiting for it to end one way or another.

    I enjoyed The Metamorphosis a lot, too, but the bug just freaked me out and left me speechless.


    The interpretation is quite simple but it escapes most Westerners: modern process paperwork is sh.t and it grows exponentially, it feeds on itself and paralyzes everyone who gets pulled into it
     
    Well, in German it's actually called Der Prozess. And, yes, I'm aware of how much the Westerners care about the process. And it has a tendency to grow and the result is that a big percentage of the work becomes about process. A good and lean process is very important. And that's why the operations people need to be aware of this. These new "diversity & inclusion" jobs will just add another layer to it (not that it's bad to be nice to people, it may be meant in good spirit, but these jobs have exploded and who knows how one can even measure their efficiency).

    But what is more scary is that real trials in the justice system become like this, too, and it grinds up and crushes the individual (and their loved ones) coming down on him with the full weight of the system. And in those who participate in it are aware of this but just accept it quietly because for them it's a job or a career. That's kafkesque.

    But remember that in Russia, too, this problem is present. Russia is famously bureaucratic.


    We have reentered the process nightmare world. With all the great connected systems, now globalized, increasingly nobody knows what is ‘checking’ on what or why.
     
    Well, there is a tendency to micromanage everything and that takes away from freedom. It opens the way for anarcho-tyranny. But it is innate in a complex society and then it becomes about the competency of the bureaucrat (or the manager, as I said). I have always hoped that software could solve this. You know, in smaller countries or on the local level this can be solved and made positive and helpful for the citizen.
  1218. @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Returning from Russia, Hasek certainly faced hurdles - he was widely seen as a traitor for going over to the Bolsheviks after enrolling in the Czech Legion. The rather large number of Czechs who had supported the Hapsburgs to the end didn't like him much either although they mostly made their peace with the Republic. At least two of the real life models for Austro-Hungarian officers in the book, Lukas and Sagner, became officers in the Czechoslovak Army.
    Nonetheless, Hasek managed to get published. His pre-war reputation for comic stories had survived. Czechoslovakia was in many ways comparatively liberal - it is hard to see a Polish Communist active in Russia returning to Warsaw in the early 1920s and being allowed to publish a satirical book in the way Hasek did in Czechoslovakia. Such a Pole would have been more likely to see a jail cell than a publishing house.
    The book was published in serial form and the early parts already created a sensation. Probably many Czechs did see themselves in it. n
    As to Kafka, several of his works were on my German syllabus - I chose "Austrian" literature and he was included in it. I would disagree that he is unreadable although he is reckoned to be more profound than he was.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …he was widely seen as a traitor for going over to the Bolsheviks after enrolling in the Czech Legion.

    For some Hasek was a traitor and a drunk, but Czechia had one of the largest Bolshevik parties in the world and by 1930’s the local communists were 2nd or 3rd party in the Parliament with their own media empire and massive support especially in big cities. They were also very radical commies – I mentioned that Czechs like taking other people’s stuff. Commies and their allied socialists were effectively about half of the Czech society. After 1945 that exploded and everybody was suddenly a “socialist” of a different hue. Until they were not after 1989, or said so.

    Hasek was also a bon vivant with an oversized personality and that provides protection in Czechia that has a weird tolerance for anything big and daring. Czechia fundamentally lacks societal discipline, the way Poles or Germans have it, everybody is always in a ‘rebellion’ against everything. The funniest thing were the 80’s commies who always tried to distance themselves from their own system – a two-face absurdity. That’s why Czechs often end up being ruled by others, Austrians, Germans, now Americans. Under late commies the less absurdist and more traditional Slovaks often played that role (Dubcek, Husak, Bilak were all Slovaks).

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Beckow

    Communists in Czechoslovakia definitely had a societal base and not just in a minority group - whereas the idea that Communists in Poland were basically Jews was exaggerated but not by too much.
    I don't know about Slovaks who to me resemble the Poles more, but Czechs actually give off something of a "German" vibe.

  1219. @Beckow
    @Wielgus


    ...he was widely seen as a traitor for going over to the Bolsheviks after enrolling in the Czech Legion.
     
    For some Hasek was a traitor and a drunk, but Czechia had one of the largest Bolshevik parties in the world and by 1930's the local communists were 2nd or 3rd party in the Parliament with their own media empire and massive support especially in big cities. They were also very radical commies - I mentioned that Czechs like taking other people's stuff. Commies and their allied socialists were effectively about half of the Czech society. After 1945 that exploded and everybody was suddenly a "socialist" of a different hue. Until they were not after 1989, or said so.

    Hasek was also a bon vivant with an oversized personality and that provides protection in Czechia that has a weird tolerance for anything big and daring. Czechia fundamentally lacks societal discipline, the way Poles or Germans have it, everybody is always in a 'rebellion' against everything. The funniest thing were the 80's commies who always tried to distance themselves from their own system - a two-face absurdity. That's why Czechs often end up being ruled by others, Austrians, Germans, now Americans. Under late commies the less absurdist and more traditional Slovaks often played that role (Dubcek, Husak, Bilak were all Slovaks).

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Communists in Czechoslovakia definitely had a societal base and not just in a minority group – whereas the idea that Communists in Poland were basically Jews was exaggerated but not by too much.
    I don’t know about Slovaks who to me resemble the Poles more, but Czechs actually give off something of a “German” vibe.

  1220. Czech communism was native, very strong, and radical. Among working class Czechs in industrial areas it was a dominant majority. Commies also had strong support among intellectuals in Prague; Milan Kundera was a fanatical commie when young.

    Farmers were less communist, but there were cells in most villages. Slovakia is more conservative, religious and rural resembling Poland. The commies were only in a few industrial areas, among railroad workers, and – of course – Bratislava intellectuals and artists.

    Slovakia had a social structure with the very top Catholic, middle class and better-off farmers Protestant, and the mass of village poor Catholic. The top was denationalized and after 1918 they left or were marginalized. The Slovak national movement in the 19th century was led by Protestants who were allied with Czech secular nationalists, they jointly took over the state after 1918. There was no room for socialist or commie ideas until the massive emancipation of the catholics (70% majority) and their education. First they swung clerical-nationalist – our unhappy WWII experience with a social-catholic state. Then they switched to communism – often the very same people and by 1950-60’s came to control the state. And intellectuals went home.

  1221. LatW says:
    @Beckow
    @LatW

    You have more patience that I. We had The Trial at home so I attempted to read it, but gave up. It is like taking a one-paragraph idea and needlessly stretching it into a book. Catch-22 and a few other classic books are the same.

    Kafka's darkness is simply a reflection of his depression - or bipolarity. He worked with the Habsburg bureaucracy and was sickly, even Prague couldn't cure that. The interpretation is quite simple but it escapes most Westerners: modern process paperwork is sh.t and it grows exponentially, it feeds on itself and paralyzes everyone who gets pulled into it. There are no results, nothing tangible, but one can end up like a vermin stuck in that sh..t, unable to escape or even move: the Habsburg world.

    We have reentered the process nightmare world. With all the great connected systems, now globalized, increasingly nobody knows what is 'checking' on what or why. C19 made it much worse. Modern bureaucracy processes are about a low-trust society and make-work - as they grow, and they will grow exponentially, we will reenter Kafka's nightmare Habsburg world. Nature helps, but increasingly the busybodies with no purpose in their lives are encroaching there too, trimming access, making it 'better'...Kafka is alive and well. We shouldn't fear AI, but this self-made nonsense world of 'process work'...

    Replies: @LatW

    You have more patience that I. We had The Trial at home so I attempted to read it, but gave up. It is like taking a one-paragraph idea and needlessly stretching it into a book. Catch-22 and a few other classic books are the same.

    Right, but it creates a very powerful effect, especially in the beginning. I didn’t need to be patient at all in the beginning of the story, as I was enjoying it thoroughly, because I felt a chilling suspense by the way the story was set up. The absurdity of the accusations, the anonymous prosecutors, the setting, it’s captivating. Then it just endlessly stretches out and rationally one knows that this is the point of the story, to demonstrate the absurd, but on the emotional level, it becomes tormenting, waiting for it to end one way or another.

    I enjoyed The Metamorphosis a lot, too, but the bug just freaked me out and left me speechless.

    [MORE]

    The interpretation is quite simple but it escapes most Westerners: modern process paperwork is sh.t and it grows exponentially, it feeds on itself and paralyzes everyone who gets pulled into it

    Well, in German it’s actually called Der Prozess. And, yes, I’m aware of how much the Westerners care about the process. And it has a tendency to grow and the result is that a big percentage of the work becomes about process. A good and lean process is very important. And that’s why the operations people need to be aware of this. These new “diversity & inclusion” jobs will just add another layer to it (not that it’s bad to be nice to people, it may be meant in good spirit, but these jobs have exploded and who knows how one can even measure their efficiency).

    But what is more scary is that real trials in the justice system become like this, too, and it grinds up and crushes the individual (and their loved ones) coming down on him with the full weight of the system. And in those who participate in it are aware of this but just accept it quietly because for them it’s a job or a career. That’s kafkesque.

    But remember that in Russia, too, this problem is present. Russia is famously bureaucratic.

    We have reentered the process nightmare world. With all the great connected systems, now globalized, increasingly nobody knows what is ‘checking’ on what or why.

    Well, there is a tendency to micromanage everything and that takes away from freedom. It opens the way for anarcho-tyranny. But it is innate in a complex society and then it becomes about the competency of the bureaucrat (or the manager, as I said). I have always hoped that software could solve this. You know, in smaller countries or on the local level this can be solved and made positive and helpful for the citizen.

  1222. S says:
    @LatW
    @Coconuts


    It would be surprising if they meant Marxist-Leninism was their religion or cause again. If lots of soldiers thought that is what they were fighting for though I wonder if it would have any repercussions on politics after the war?
     
    They don't really mean Marxist-Leninism per se. The Russians have something they call скрепы (skrepi) or духовные скрепы, something like binding moral principles, loosely translatable as "spiritual binding elements or symbols".

    Скрепа literally means a staple, a brooch, a connection, something that hold things together. I would translate it as "a tightener", "a binding principle, symbolic idea". It comes from the root that's common to words such as крепко (hard, tight, robust, strong), скрепить (to strengthen, to make tighter, to patch together), крепость (fortress, fortified structure). Basically, those are somewhat intangible ideas that float around their communal psyche that stem from their past that resonate with everyone in society. They're not easy to define, but you know them when you see them, so to speak. :)

    And the red flag and ideas and memories that revolve around it is one of those "skrepas".


    Actually, I have to correct myself, I rewatched the video and the master of ceremony does not use the word "religion", but "relic" which sounds similar. So I apologize for that mistake. But it's very close because a relic is not just something that one keeps as a trophy from a military victory, but could also be something that is placed in a royal crypt, as a sacred object. So it is pseudo religious at least. Nationalism is very much like religion in fact.

    When the flags are brought out to the tune of the most famous WWII hymn ("The People's War"), the master of ceremony says something like "This is our sacred banner, it is our relic".

    So as far as it is a domestic thing for the Russians, I understand. But I don't think they should bring it around. I was a bit taken aback, as I was expecting them to wave the tricolor in the occupied territories. But also -- remember that Putin, right on the eve of the invasion, sarcastically said "I'll show you decommunisation". He was so angry.

    Replies: @S

    But also — remember that Putin, right on the eve of the invasion, sarcastically said “I’ll show you decommunisation”. He was so angry.

    Any thoughts on Putin, the man, ie his character, personality, etc.? What do you think he meant when he said ‘I’ll show you decommunisation’? Mere angry hyperbole, or, something else? If you happen to be familiar with him, any thoughts on Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn? [I’m aware probably 98% plus of defectors were probably disinformation agents.]

    I will say, controlled opposition that I think he is, that Putin showed some real courage meeting face to face with the family members of the deceased crew of the sunken Kursk, who seemed ready to lynch someone. The translated videos I’ve seen of him speaking he seems rational and pragmatic.

    US media has difficulty demonizing Putin because he looks like a harmless government bureaucrat, or, an equally harmless bank vice-president. His appearance doesn’t readily lend itself to ridicule, though that doesn’t stop the corporate media from trying.

    Probably plenty of the bad things said by the US about Putin are true. However, when I see Biden accusing Putin of this and that, I just about gag, because everything he accuses Putin of (ie corruption and dictatorship) is at least as true of Biden himself [See Biden’s son Hunter’s laptop and 2020 stolen election allegations for details.] It’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    There’s a Biblical admonition, which certainly applies here, to first take the beam out of one’s own eye so that you can see clearly to take the splinter out of your brother’s eye.

    Anyone who wishes is welcome to add their two cents on Putin.

    So as far as it is a domestic thing for the Russians, I understand. But I don’t think they should bring it around. I was a bit taken aback, as I was expecting them to wave the tricolor in the occupied territories.

    If the Fall of Capitalism takes place, something I think may well happen, and the US remnant adopts a different flag, I suspect that similarly many on occasion would pull out the stars and stripes and wave it instead of the new flag.

    I rewatched the video and the master of ceremony does not use the word “religion”, but “relic” which sounds similar. So I apologize for that mistake. But it’s very close because a relic is not just something that one keeps as a trophy from a military victory, but could also be something that is placed in a royal crypt, as a sacred object. So it is pseudo religious at least. Nationalism is very much like religion in fact.

    When the flags are brought out to the tune of the most famous WWII hymn (“The People’s War”), the master of ceremony says something like “This is our sacred banner, it is our relic”.

    Reminds me of an old 1968 episode of Star Trek. On a parallel Earth the US and China engage in a war using biological agents. The Chinese prevail and overrun the Earth, while the United States is reduced to a stone age existance. Never the less, the United States engages in a centuries long reconquista against China, and regains their lost territory.

    In the meantime, God and Country had figuratively merged, and the US flag and founding documents had become something like religious icons, their original meaning having largely been forgotten. [See clip]

  1223. LatW says:

    Any thoughts on Putin, the man, ie his character, personality, etc.? What do you think he meant when he said ‘I’ll show you decommunisation’? Mere angry hyperbole, or, something else?

    He had never seemed this angry ever before. He rarely shows much emotion (rarely openly angry, even back during the Chechen wars, and I’ve only seen him cry twice — during one elated speech directed at the Russian people and when the children in Kemerovo died). So it’s very uncommon. My subjective impressions are, of course, not worth much (I did like his sense of humor though), but a lot of Russophone observers say that he is generally “cautious”, “knows how to play the long game well”. Maybe not now, but in general (the last 20 years).

    The remark about decommunisation was a response to the decommunisation activities that the Ukrainians initiated in 2014 (toppling of Lenin statues, the statues of the Soviet commander Vatutin, etc). He saw that as a betrayal of their common WW2 heritage and wanted to show them their place, so to speak.

    [MORE]

    However, when I see Biden accusing Putin of this and that, I just about gag, because everything he accuses Putin of (ie corruption and dictatorship) is at least as true of Biden himself

    Well, I understand your frustration with the current administration. In the US, there are “softer” mechanisms to stifle political dissent. In Russia, they will literally beat you with a baton and put you away for years.

    I do understand why Russia puts down certain dissent (the so called “foreign agents”) because they do sometimes act as the fifth column. It’s just sad when these repressions touch those people who have reasonable demands.

    I’ve only read one or two of those defector spy books. As you say, it’s hard to tell how trustworthy these accounts are, but they might be interesting. From what I understand, Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote about the Soviet influencer network in the third world, I’ve heard of such claims regarding the KGB infiltration in Europe, too (some in the Baltic nationalist community have written articles with claims that the KGB infiltrated the European structures to promote “the Kalergi plan”, I haven’t analyzed these claims, though).

    • Thanks: S
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @LatW

    The West has gradually lost the ability to control its own processes, Der Prozess. Systems made it better for a while, but then they actually dramatically increased Der Prozess complexity, cross-checks, etc... It is all about a very low-trust society with too many people employed doing things that make no sense and can't even be coherently explained.


    That’s kafkesque.
     
    In a way it is. But it is also more than that...Kafka was a small potato compared to what exists today. It is not only about the 'diversity' nonsense, that is a small part of it. It is the ever-present escape from material reality and into activities that have no actual outcomes - work for work sake, facilitated and hidden by Der Prozess.

    Russia attacked when the West was already fatally weak. Maybe they knew it or maybe saw no other way. Or they are lucky - Russia as a country has been incredibly lucky through-out its history, that's not true about individual Russians living there. Putin is a symptom, he can speed up or slow down the developments, but in a true Tolstoy fashion there is also the march of history that can't be much influenced. The West stepped in it and handed it to Russia on a silver platter. That's just stupidity. And Finland in Nato won't compensate for that.

  1224. @Mr. Hack
    @RadicalCenter

    Maybe, maybe not. Who knows, it's possible?...

    You seem very concerned? Sounds like you're planning to bring your own wife on line and get her to do her part? Don't worry, I'll try and be real nice to her. :-)

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    More snarky evasive crap, and unfunny at that. Doesn’t even make sense. Oh no, the “man” on the internet is making insinuations about my wife, I have to react and go off-topic. Nope.

    The point remains that our Russian acquaintances do not corroborate the propaganda about totalitarian Russia, poor backwards Russia, economically struggling Russia, etc. Thank you for showing that you didn’t have a sensible response.

  1225. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader


    Your legacy is some shitty blog where your relationship with most regular commenters ended in mutual contempt.
     
    In that case, you expended a considerable portion of your life not even writing, but commenting, on some shitty blog.

    Seethe harder, German_cuck.

    Replies: @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    A decent response, Chechen Swordsman, but the fact remains that you were a nasty little bitch, needlessly insulted people and turned some of them off who had enjoyed your work and expressed support. Go back into Sailer’s closet, you fucking genetic dead-end, and compare face diapers.

    Then go get your booster, and another, and another. Please.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @RadicalCenter

    Completey uneccessary insults and tone even if AK was somewhat excessive in his own response.

  1226. @LatW

    Any thoughts on Putin, the man, ie his character, personality, etc.? What do you think he meant when he said ‘I’ll show you decommunisation’? Mere angry hyperbole, or, something else?
     
    He had never seemed this angry ever before. He rarely shows much emotion (rarely openly angry, even back during the Chechen wars, and I've only seen him cry twice -- during one elated speech directed at the Russian people and when the children in Kemerovo died). So it's very uncommon. My subjective impressions are, of course, not worth much (I did like his sense of humor though), but a lot of Russophone observers say that he is generally "cautious", "knows how to play the long game well". Maybe not now, but in general (the last 20 years).

    The remark about decommunisation was a response to the decommunisation activities that the Ukrainians initiated in 2014 (toppling of Lenin statues, the statues of the Soviet commander Vatutin, etc). He saw that as a betrayal of their common WW2 heritage and wanted to show them their place, so to speak.


    However, when I see Biden accusing Putin of this and that, I just about gag, because everything he accuses Putin of (ie corruption and dictatorship) is at least as true of Biden himself
     
    Well, I understand your frustration with the current administration. In the US, there are "softer" mechanisms to stifle political dissent. In Russia, they will literally beat you with a baton and put you away for years.

    I do understand why Russia puts down certain dissent (the so called "foreign agents") because they do sometimes act as the fifth column. It's just sad when these repressions touch those people who have reasonable demands.

    I've only read one or two of those defector spy books. As you say, it's hard to tell how trustworthy these accounts are, but they might be interesting. From what I understand, Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote about the Soviet influencer network in the third world, I've heard of such claims regarding the KGB infiltration in Europe, too (some in the Baltic nationalist community have written articles with claims that the KGB infiltrated the European structures to promote "the Kalergi plan", I haven't analyzed these claims, though).

    Replies: @Beckow

    The West has gradually lost the ability to control its own processes, Der Prozess. Systems made it better for a while, but then they actually dramatically increased Der Prozess complexity, cross-checks, etc… It is all about a very low-trust society with too many people employed doing things that make no sense and can’t even be coherently explained.

    That’s kafkesque.

    In a way it is. But it is also more than that…Kafka was a small potato compared to what exists today. It is not only about the ‘diversity’ nonsense, that is a small part of it. It is the ever-present escape from material reality and into activities that have no actual outcomes – work for work sake, facilitated and hidden by Der Prozess.

    Russia attacked when the West was already fatally weak. Maybe they knew it or maybe saw no other way. Or they are lucky – Russia as a country has been incredibly lucky through-out its history, that’s not true about individual Russians living there. Putin is a symptom, he can speed up or slow down the developments, but in a true Tolstoy fashion there is also the march of history that can’t be much influenced. The West stepped in it and handed it to Russia on a silver platter. That’s just stupidity. And Finland in Nato won’t compensate for that.

  1227. @AP
    @Here Be Dragon


    "The average American has an IQ 2 points higher than does the average Russian. Every Russian has a white American counterpart whose IQ score is 2 points higher."

    No.

    After finishing the school 54 percent of the Russians will go on to study at the universities and will become smarter, whereas only 35 percent of the Americans will.
     
    The higher the percentage of people in university, the lower the average IQ of university students. Having a large number of people in universities simply means that standards are lowered to allow more people in. Russia has an inflated number of people with tertiary education in part because this is a way of avoiding military service, right?

    A clever electrician or builder with an IQ of 110, who never attended a university, will still be smarter than office plankton with a degree in Business Administration with an IQ of 105.

    "The wealthy farmers also farmed their own land, and sent their kids to shepherd the animals, and went to market, etc. But if they had enough land, more than they could farm with their own hands, they could hire hands to help them in the fields."

    They would hire peasants to work in the fields, it’s impossible to run a farm and also work in the fields. Running a farm is not a hard work but it’s a full time occupation. A farm is not a small one house enterprise.
     
    I heard differently, from the child of a wealthy farmer. The kids would still have to watch the livestock in the summer, the father would also engage in farmwork although he would hire helpers too.

    We have a farmer here, Barbarossa. Does he do no work himself?

    The Stalin apartment was bought after the crash of 1998, with rent money that came from a huge 1970s apartment a 10 minute walk from the Kremlin that my relative was assigned.

    That is, in other words, that person was given a million dollar in real estate, taken from the state budget
     
    When communism ended everybody was given title to the place where they happened to live. nothing was stolen or taken. People living in Khrushchovky became owners of Khrushchovky - people who lived in million dollar flats became their owners. This was probably the least corrupt thing happening at that time, it actually was not corrupt at all.

    "They had been committed Bolsheviks, and thus were by definition involved with the creation of the disgusting Soviet system – an evil task, creating Sharikovs."

    Yes sure. A very evil task, especially considering what these Sharikovs started doing – sending the first man into space, building the first supersonic airliner, reaching Mars, the first in the world, building the first unmanned space shuttle, etc.
     
    Russia was bound to be the world's first superpower, but had to settle for a shabby second place for a few decades before sinking even further.

    As for technological progress, everything would have happened sooner and without millions of dead, if time had not been wasted creating Sharikovs and otherwise constructing a new society through brutal Sovok methods. In addition to chasing away men such as Sikorsky (not compatible with a land of Sharikovs, he had to go), here is an example of the type of brutal waste that negatively affected Soviet technological progress:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev#Imprisonment



    Korolev was arrested by the NKVD on 27 June 1938 after being accused of deliberately slowing the work of the research institute by Ivan Kleymenov, Georgy Langemak, leaders of the institute who were executed in January,[19] and Valentin Glushko, who was arrested in March.[20] He was tortured in the Lubyanka prison to extract a confession during the Great Purge, and was tried and sentenced to death as the purge was waning;[21] Glushko and Korolev survived. Glushko and Korolev had reportedly been denounced by Andrei Kostikov, who became the head of RNII after its leadership was arrested. The rocket program fell far behind the rapid progress taking place in Nazi Germany. Kostikov was ousted a few years later over accusations of budget irregularities.[16]: 17  It should be mentioned that it was under the leadership of Kostikov that the Katyusha rocket launcher was adopted by the army and launched into a large series in 1941. According to another version, Kostikov was removed from office for failing to complete the task of designing a rocket-powered interceptor aircraft in 1944. Most likely, the reason for Korolev's arrest was technical disagreements between specialists of the rocket Institute. The management of the institute was headed by specialists who gave priority to work on the topic of multiple rocket launchers, not ballistic missiles. For the 1930s, their opinion was generally justified. But their assessments served as a reason for repression, which affected Korolev.

    Korolev was sent to prison, where he wrote many appeals to the authorities, including Stalin himself. Following the fall of NKVD head Nikolai Yezhov, the new chief Lavrenti Beria chose to retry Korolev on reduced charges in 1939; but by that time Korolev was on his way from prison to a Gulag camp in the far east of Siberia, where he spent several months in a gold mine in the Kolyma area before word reached him of his retrial. Work camp conditions of inadequate food, shelter, and clothing killed thousands of prisoners each month.[14] Korolev sustained injuries, including possibly a heart attack[22] and lost most of his teeth from scurvy before being returned to Moscow in late 1939.[21] When he reached Moscow, Korolev's sentence was reduced to eight years[23] to be served in a sharashka penitentiary for intellectuals and the educated.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Imagine a middle level office worker at the Academy of Sciences had a nice flat overlooking the river near Gorky Park. (Her late husband was an architect). Soon after she was given the flat, big men with fierce dogs started knocking on the door offering to buy the flat for money which could buy a large Kruschaevsky in Lybertsky. This is how property fortunes were made.

  1228. @RadicalCenter
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A decent response, Chechen Swordsman, but the fact remains that you were a nasty little bitch, needlessly insulted people and turned some of them off who had enjoyed your work and expressed support. Go back into Sailer's closet, you fucking genetic dead-end, and compare face diapers.

    Then go get your booster, and another, and another. Please.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Completey uneccessary insults and tone even if AK was somewhat excessive in his own response.

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