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I noticed that Anatoly had created a new thread, which is fine, but he also said that he would be trashing all comments providing “Ukrainian disinformation,” which concerned me. I also noticed that he’d trashed quite a few comments on his previous thread, even comments that had already gotten replies and generated further debate. That could really disrupt the discussion.

Given the massive and growing climate of online censorship on the Ukraine-Russia conflict both in the West and in Russia, I think there’s considerable value in maintaining a convenient venue for lightly moderated discussion on this topic.

He’d previously expressed annoyance that these discussion threads were still under his name, so I’ve removed that, and I’ve retitled the blog the Russian Reaction Community produced by the Karlin Community, which is all of you. Although he can still comment and his comments will be highlighted, he won’t be able to trash or edit the comments of others, so all of you can write freely, though you should behave yourselves regarding Tweets and such.

It’s probably better if he doesn’t create future threads since those would give him the temptation of trashing comments he didn’t like.

Anyway, here’s a new thread for all of you to use.

— Ron Unz

 
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  1. Thanks to Unz for providing this space, as Karlin has becoming increasingly deranged in his censorship and personal attacks. Not to mention his endless “I quit” only to creep back to this blog.

    I am frequently disagreeing with the pro-Ukraine side, I’ve called Zelensky a NATO puppet and I largely absolve Putin of the responsibility of this crisis. But I would never want to censor people who disagree with me. Unz.com is a free speech oasis and I am more than elated than Ron himself is fighting to keep it that way.

    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.

    • Agree: AaronB, follyofwar
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend

    Casting snide aspersions on me, not backing up your words when called out on it, then being very surprised about my attitude towards you. Especially considering this was not a new pattern, you having engaged in a very long history of dissimulation and smears directed against me, for which almost anyone else would have long since banned you and your previous alter egos.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    , @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend


    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.
     
    Glad to help and also glad that this approach seems satisfactory to almost everyone.

    On a more substantive matter, those who have the time might want to watch an hour-long Glenn Greenwald presentation on America's biowarfare programs and the game-playing denials about those Ukraine biolabs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_HZ3Ta-5w

    And the short Rumble video interview from last month outlining my analysis that the Covid outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) just broke 100,000 views, far more than I expected given the total recent focus on Russia/Ukraine:

    https://rumble.com/embed/vsi3d0/ .

    Replies: @Yahya, @Gerard1234

    , @Jidvei
    @Thulean Friend

    Karlin is easily the most obnoxious, arrogant asshole of the Unzverse - with some serious competition - and that's even when you sympathize with most of his views.

    Good riddance to both you and your Serious Commentary, Anatoly! (I thought you died of Covid, the Deadly Virus or maybe that your Stats & Figures did you in. I was glad to hear you just left.)

    A free tip to anti-Russia propagandists here (there's a ton here): get Karlin to come back. Pay him.

  2. German_reader says:

    Many thanks for this new thread and the opportunity for open debate (a rarity these days), it’s much appreciated!

    Karlin really isn’t much more than a propagandist at this point, really weak of him to delete comments he disliked (unless I’m mistaken including one of mine, apparently referencing a news story that Russian soldiers have looted supermarkets for supplies in Cherson is already atrocity propaganda, lol).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    I appreciate all the new open threads. Forgot to use the "more" tag on my last post, and now I don't feel so bad.

  3. My dissatisfaction with Karlin’s draconian new censorship policies, that I posted within a comment in reply to AaronB’s comment, was deleted (what else, taking into account Karlin’s paranoia) at his most recent thread #180. Looks like this stupid war has taken one more casualty, the former Libertarian known as Anatoly Karlin. RIP. Vichna Pamiat.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    I saw your comment before Karlin deleted it, and posted a reply - which was not published but trashed :)

    And none of it was pro-Ukraine propoganda - well, maybe in the "larger sense" because it was critical of Karlin :)

    Anyways, the gist of my comment was basically that Karlin in my opinion hasn't so much changed, as finally developed the full implications of his core world view.

    In a sense, we are all living in apocalyptic times - apocalyptic means, I understand, "to reveal".

    Apocalyptic times come at the end, after you've been following a line of development for very long, and finally standing forth fully revealed before you, is what you were developing into.

    That is when you can clearly see if you were on the right, or the wrong, path.

    Not just Karlin, but the entire "modernized world", our civilization itself, are facing apocalyptic times, where it is revealed what path we had been on.

    As I said before, transgender and Woke, the epidemic of anxiety and depression sweeping the modernized world, the nihilistic boredom of Russia that leads it to launch pointless wars, the stories coming out of China of people dying of heart attacks and pregnant women losing babies, denied care over "Zero Covid" policies - all this was the inevitable result of trying to live against nature and God.

    But it is only at the end of the line of development, that you can clearly see what you were becoming.

    And these apocalyptic times are only beginning - more and more, we will "see ourselves" and be horrified.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @HenryBaker

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Shifting gears a bit, out of curiosity do you believe this doctor to be one sick bastard?

    https://twitter.com/USSRTakes/status/1502856239516110856

    I'm not into censorship which has increased in the US, as it has in Russia and within Kiev regime confines.

    Media/political advocacy require a think skin. Not as much action at these threads - but note the shots dished out and returned:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/23022022-motivating-factors-behind-russias-recent-independence-recognition-oped/#comments

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/28022022-russia-ukraine-coverage-update-what-western-mass-media-downplays-oped/#comments

    For others not having heard, these are pretty good segments:

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/michael-averko-independent-foreign-policy-analyst-and-media-critic-3-3-22/

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/michael-averko-2-9-22/

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/mark-averko-1-11-22/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  4. @Mr. Hack
    My dissatisfaction with Karlin's draconian new censorship policies, that I posted within a comment in reply to AaronB's comment, was deleted (what else, taking into account Karlin's paranoia) at his most recent thread #180. Looks like this stupid war has taken one more casualty, the former Libertarian known as Anatoly Karlin. RIP. Vichna Pamiat.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mikhail

    I saw your comment before Karlin deleted it, and posted a reply – which was not published but trashed 🙂

    And none of it was pro-Ukraine propoganda – well, maybe in the “larger sense” because it was critical of Karlin 🙂

    Anyways, the gist of my comment was basically that Karlin in my opinion hasn’t so much changed, as finally developed the full implications of his core world view.

    In a sense, we are all living in apocalyptic times – apocalyptic means, I understand, “to reveal”.

    Apocalyptic times come at the end, after you’ve been following a line of development for very long, and finally standing forth fully revealed before you, is what you were developing into.

    That is when you can clearly see if you were on the right, or the wrong, path.

    Not just Karlin, but the entire “modernized world”, our civilization itself, are facing apocalyptic times, where it is revealed what path we had been on.

    As I said before, transgender and Woke, the epidemic of anxiety and depression sweeping the modernized world, the nihilistic boredom of Russia that leads it to launch pointless wars, the stories coming out of China of people dying of heart attacks and pregnant women losing babies, denied care over “Zero Covid” policies – all this was the inevitable result of trying to live against nature and God.

    But it is only at the end of the line of development, that you can clearly see what you were becoming.

    And these apocalyptic times are only beginning – more and more, we will “see ourselves” and be horrified.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AaronB

    I enjoy reading all of your comments and am on board for almost all of your observations and ideas. You lend an air of spirituality to this community of thinkers and writers, that is all too often missing. There is nothing awe inspiring about killing civilians, children and even soldiers that are trying to defend their homeland. The biblical Apocalypse may really be just around the corner? Keep 'em coming!

    , @HenryBaker
    @AaronB

    A reply to a previous comment of yours:


    Anyways, why do the Russians seem to be doing literally everything so terribly from an optics point of view, down to their propoganda – as I said before, showing respect for Ukrainian bravery would actually look so much better than calling it things like “fanatical resistance” that must be punished etc, as Karlin does.
     

    It’s a war, of course they’ll fight back. This is bad? And the whole manipulation thing, the whole we’ll force you to be our brothers thing…

    This language can only occur in a weird post-modern setting like ours, and moreover is the language of psychopathic manipulation that is so characteristic of our times.
     

    There is nothing post-modern nor psychopathic about this way of talking and thinking. The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it's just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or 'fanatical') is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars. We also called resistance there 'lawless' or 'fanatical' and tried to delegimitize the nationalist project by focusing on a few worst elements (like the Russians are now doing with Azov, we did with communists fighting in the ranks).

    The Russians categorically deny that Ukrainians can either think for themselves or deserve any sort of self-legitimation. To do so, they must mentally frame the Ukrainians as infantile, fanatical, or traitorous and degenerate. That's all quite normal human psychology. Anatoly's first insistence that Ukrainian resistance would quickly evaporate, and then a switch to calling it 'fanatical' or whatever, mirrors decolonization war rhetoric almost 100%. It will, of course, never be acknowledged that Ukrainians have little good experience under the Russian umbrella. 'They just don't know what's good them'.

    Your idea that our time is one of 'psychopathic manipulation' is ungrounded in the sense that manipulation by a ruling power has always been around and has always been intense. That is of course the Marxist critique of religion in the modern state. I guess our propaganda may just be more intense, more aimed at doubt than conviction, and more disorienting.


    Also, a general comment: I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of 'your brain on nationalism'. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It's a shame.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

  5. We’ve debated this before but the invasion brings new perspective.

    Is it too late for democratic reform in Russia? Are the 1.5m Silovki in the Orthodox Fascist cult simply too powerful. I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.

    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.

    • Replies: @Chuikov
    @Philip Owen


    Is it too late for democratic reform in Russia? Are the 1.5m Silovki in the Orthodox Fascist cult simply too powerful. I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.
     
    "Democratic reform" would destroy Russia as a sovereign state and a distinctive ethnic and cultural sphere. It would be folded into the liberal American cultural sphere and security architecture. You'd have lots of emigration of Russians as cheap labor to the West along with increasing 3rd world immigration into Russia, and the increasing importation and domination of liberal American and woke culture in Russia. Real power would be wielded by economic oligarchs friendly to the West along with a permanent liberal political/media class cultivated by the US; democratically elected politicians would hold nominal power but would be beholden to oligarchs and the political/media class.

    Instead, Russia should combine aspects from its past, the West, and even the Chinese model. A Leninist elite class combined with appreciation for Russian and Orthodox traditions to foster patriotism and cultural unity. Western liberal and free market capitalism to foster economic and techno growth. Chinese elite discipline to counter internal corruption and decadence within the elite class, as well as to counter oligarchical power arising from the unleashing of free market and liberal economic forces.

    Also, the Chinese experience with economic experimentation. To unleash and control market forces, Deng experimented with Special Economic Zones. This could work well with Russia given its vast size as well as experience from the Soviet era with cities and geographic areas that were specialized in particular industries. Except instead of command economics directed from Moscow, the Zones would have more market oriented economics unleashed internally.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Philip Owen


    I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.
     
    Communism has too much baggage and most stratas of society are perfectly fine with a state run capitalist system run by the highest top tier, that all leads to an authoritarian Putin type of figure. He has helped shape this system from the very beginning and therefore we don't really know how it will evolve after he's gone.

    I watched the fabulous film "The Irishman" last night, where it showed how rich mafia leaders were more than happy to accept a change at the very top of the Teamster union when Jimmy Hoffa had to spend a few years behind bars. The new leader was more pliant and amenable to schemes that favored mafia aspirations to aggrandize themselves. You can't really believe that the average Russian oligarch is pleased by what's transpired within Russia and the Western world within the last two weeks?
    , @Coconuts
    @Philip Owen


    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.
     
    'Orthodox Fascism' seems to be a contradictory concept, i.e. in Orthodox Christianity God is the highest good and the source of moral law (and ultimately all political authority) and God is transcendent, separate from the world.

    In Fascism the state is the highest realisation of the moral good, the closest you can get to the absolute, political authority derives from the people and their rational capabilities as they evolve in time. Totalitarianism is central to Fascism, every part of human life should be integrated into the state community.

    I don't know if the current Russian state has the capacity to attempt to establish totalitarianism, if there is even any inclination, given the way Orthodoxy is favoured, looks like not. But, it also seems like the advent of some modernised form of Fascism would be more plausible than the re-introduction of Communism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Philip Owen, @Seraphim, @Barbarossa, @HenryBaker

  6. @German_reader
    Many thanks for this new thread and the opportunity for open debate (a rarity these days), it's much appreciated!

    Karlin really isn't much more than a propagandist at this point, really weak of him to delete comments he disliked (unless I'm mistaken including one of mine, apparently referencing a news story that Russian soldiers have looted supermarkets for supplies in Cherson is already atrocity propaganda, lol).

    Replies: @songbird

    I appreciate all the new open threads. Forgot to use the “more” tag on my last post, and now I don’t feel so bad.

  7. I posed this earlier on a Patrick Armstrong thread but it probably fits here. There seems to be a different audience.

    _____________________________________

    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.

    Regrouping and reinforcements don’t help that much. There are only so many men and vehicles Russia can push down those roads. It can go on forever of course. Also, I forgot high quality mercenaries when I wrote this first.

    Specification versus reality

    Michelin tires – Chinese knock offs
    Thick wool socks – Acrylics
    Fresh Compo rations (MRE in US) – keep the 7 year old ones
    Contract soldiers drawing pay – They were ghosts, conscripts were doing the work.

    On the socks. Socks stave off trenchfoot better than the WW1 foot wraps the Russians were using until 3 or 4 years ago (maybe that was the 71.6% new equipment of which Shoigu spoke?). But they need to be the right socks.

    This kind of corruption can’t be cured by regrouping and launching a new attack. Russia can still win by sending in steam roller after steam roller. And it appears difficult for Ukraine to deal with artillery without air support. But then, the Ukrainian army has 20,000 snipers. Senior officers are keeling over. Bombardiers might toowith real time battle information from NATO. Victory (occupation) will happen but not in 72 hours and that will just be getting into poistion for the insurgency.
    _______________________________________________

    Also, what happens to Russian troop morale when pictures emerge of well paid (\$300/month with expenses) African and Arab mercenaries killing Ukrainian civilians. Aren’t the Russian troops there to protect, in some roundabout way, their Ukrainian brothers?

    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Philip Owen

    I must have missed it. Where was it confirmed that Putin thought it would take 48 hours to subdue Ukraine?


    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.
     
    I have heard the claim but have not seen good confirmation. Even the Canadian and US Freedom Convoys took much more than 48 hours but I guess some people think the military can move faster.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @Barbarossa
    @Philip Owen

    Really, the Russian military doesn't even have good wool socks? That would be shocking to me.

    Personally I don't wear any socks other than wool and I buy Russian wool goods on eBay from time to time. Valenkis with leather lowers make great slip on winter boots, for example. One would think that the folks who came up with Valenkis could at least pull off good winter socks for their troops.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Rich
    @Philip Owen

    You've obviously never served in the military, Phil, nothing takes 48 hours, ever. The defeat of Poland in 1939, attacked on the West by the Germans and in the East by the Soviets took 35 days. How in Heaven's name would the invasion of Ukraine take less? Desert Storm took 6 months. I'd expect the Ukrainians to fight better than 3rd world Iraqis.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @PedroAstra
    @Philip Owen

    The "Chinese" tires are actually some sort of Eastern European knockoff, I don't know why this fake meme in particular was perpetuated.

    Replies: @songbird

  8. A123 says: • Website

    Israel is giving sound advice to Zelensky. (1)

    Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett surprised the international community last week when it was revealed that he had taken an clandestine trip to Moscow in order to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin in an apparent peacemaking effort.

    According to the Times of Israel, the Jerusalem Post and Ukrainian sources, the Israeli Prime Minister spoke with Zelensky again on Tuesday and advised the Ukrainian President to agree to the terms offered by Putin. The Prime Minister’s Office denied the claim.

    Israeli’s position certainly marks a watershed moment in which the Ukraine-allied axis is forced to adjust its calculus as it is confronted with a reality in which support for Russia is greater than previously expected.

    I am not sure why anyone finds this surprising. Palestinian Jews are perpetually threatened by irrational, violent neighbors.

    The incompetent White House occupant insists on giving money to Khamenei and Nasrallah, which will destabilise the entire region. Opposing the insanity emanating from Not-The-President Biden’s regime is the expected behaviour for civilized countries.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/israeli-pm-bennett-advises-ukraines-zelensky-surrender-russia

  9. I think it would have been more efficient to simply archive the blog and open up a new “Russian Reaction Community” section (perhaps transferring over the last Open Threads since the war began) so long as demand for and interest in it existed, but I am sufficiently satisfied with this compromise.

    On that note, I would also be perfectly fine with being stripped of the ability to make new threads and to no longer have my comments highlighted. Since it’s now a post-AK community blog, indeed one whose commentariat is extremely hostile to its founder (the wages of my past tolerance… no good deed ever goes unpunished), it doesn’t make much sense to continue to privilege me here above any other commenter.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Less than six months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    : (

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  10. @Thulean Friend
    Thanks to Unz for providing this space, as Karlin has becoming increasingly deranged in his censorship and personal attacks. Not to mention his endless "I quit" only to creep back to this blog.

    I am frequently disagreeing with the pro-Ukraine side, I've called Zelensky a NATO puppet and I largely absolve Putin of the responsibility of this crisis. But I would never want to censor people who disagree with me. Unz.com is a free speech oasis and I am more than elated than Ron himself is fighting to keep it that way.

    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Ron Unz, @Jidvei

    Casting snide aspersions on me, not backing up your words when called out on it, then being very surprised about my attitude towards you. Especially considering this was not a new pattern, you having engaged in a very long history of dissimulation and smears directed against me, for which almost anyone else would have long since banned you and your previous alter egos.

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation........ which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times - listed writer, Anatoly Karlin..... and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM - but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

  11. @Anatoly Karlin
    I think it would have been more efficient to simply archive the blog and open up a new "Russian Reaction Community" section (perhaps transferring over the last Open Threads since the war began) so long as demand for and interest in it existed, but I am sufficiently satisfied with this compromise.

    On that note, I would also be perfectly fine with being stripped of the ability to make new threads and to no longer have my comments highlighted. Since it's now a post-AK community blog, indeed one whose commentariat is extremely hostile to its founder (the wages of my past tolerance... no good deed ever goes unpunished), it doesn't make much sense to continue to privilege me here above any other commenter.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The thing that I admired most about AK's blog was his ability to foster such a diverse and (usually) collegial collection of viewpoints. I felt that this was a very positive reflection of AK and something he had a right to be very proud of. While the commentariat was not a direct offshoot of his ideological work, it was still something rather special that coalesced around him and his writing. The fact that so many open threads have continued without him is an oblique tribute to him.

    It seems clear that AK does not feel the same and has moved on to other priorities, though it's too bad that he has taken a hostile attitude. It seems that he could have moved on to his other future works and priorities without burning bridges from his past.

    Regardless, I still deeply appreciate the writing and generosity of spirit the AK has exhibited on the blog in the past, and wish him the best in whatever he lays his hand to.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Twinkie

  12. (colonelcassad.livejournal.com – Russian source – edited Yandex translation)

    Briefly about Ukraine. 12.03.2022

    1. Mariupol. Storming the city. Advances from all directions. The enemy stubbornly defends himself, but he is being squeezed. It is already formally possible to travel to Crimea from Donetsk. Although a full-fledged land corridor has not yet been opened. The relief of Mariupol, which Azov and Zelensky are asking for, is practically impossible in the current realities.

    2. Volnovakha. Completely liberated and cleaned up. Troops are already freely passing through it in the direction of Ugledar, closing the front with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, which are also advancing in the direction of Velikaya Novoselka – Ugledar with an emphasis on Ugledar.

    3. Donetsk – Gorlovka. Shelling of DPR cities. The front in the area of Avdiivka, Maryinka, Pesok, etc. has noticeably revived, but there is no significant progress.

    4. LNR. Fighting in Rubezhnoye and around Severodonetsk. Fighting continues in Popasnaya (which was prematurely declared liberated a couple of days ago) — the LPR troops control part of the city.

    5. Izyum. Fighting in the area of the city and on the southern outskirts. The situation in the city itself is unclear, the locals confirm the presence of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the city and the fighting going on in the south. The AFU is trying to shackle the Russian troops in Izyum and Balakleya with attacks in order to prevent their advance to the south and in the direction of the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration.

    6. Nikolaev. The city is blocked, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are methodically striking enemy positions on the outskirts, there is no assault yet. Part of the group left in the direction of Krivoy Rog and Nikopol.

    7. Kherson – Zaporozhye. The power of civil-military administrations is being strengthened in the liberated territories. Communications of the grouping operating in the Zaporozhye direction are being established. Gulyai-Pole has fighting. The front line in the area of Kamensky and Orekhov without major changes.

    8. Kiev. Fighting to the east and west of the city, with again an accentuated desire of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation to move south in order to achieve a complete encirclement of the city.

    9. Chernihiv — without major changes. The city is blocked, a hotel where foreign mercenaries were stationed was destroyed at night in the city itself.

    10. Sumy — without major changes.

    11. Odessa. They continue to wait for the landing, but there is still no one there. Nevertheless, the city continues to strengthen, transferring reinforcements from western Ukraine. There are no signs of the offensive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation from the PMR.

    12. Belarus. Despite the next wave of fakes that Belarus will attack Ukraine (yesterday at 21.00), the Belarusian Armed Forces do not demonstrate a noticeable increase in their presence on the border beyond the increase announced at the beginning of the month in the number of battalion tactical groups of the Belarusian army on the border with Ukraine from 5 to 10. The border of Ukraine with Belarus itself is not actually guarded.

    In general, on the evening of 12.03. it is possible to note significant successes in the development of the offensive of the DPR army, as well as by the troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the Zaporozhye region.

    • Thanks: Levtraro, Jim Richard
  13. @Thulean Friend
    Thanks to Unz for providing this space, as Karlin has becoming increasingly deranged in his censorship and personal attacks. Not to mention his endless "I quit" only to creep back to this blog.

    I am frequently disagreeing with the pro-Ukraine side, I've called Zelensky a NATO puppet and I largely absolve Putin of the responsibility of this crisis. But I would never want to censor people who disagree with me. Unz.com is a free speech oasis and I am more than elated than Ron himself is fighting to keep it that way.

    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Ron Unz, @Jidvei

    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.

    Glad to help and also glad that this approach seems satisfactory to almost everyone.

    On a more substantive matter, those who have the time might want to watch an hour-long Glenn Greenwald presentation on America’s biowarfare programs and the game-playing denials about those Ukraine biolabs:

    And the short Rumble video interview from last month outlining my analysis that the Covid outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) just broke 100,000 views, far more than I expected given the total recent focus on Russia/Ukraine:



    Video Link.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    Since Karlin's community is now gathered under a new blog spot, why not confer authorship to one of the commenters here to continue hosting this spot, moderate the comments, and perhaps add more value to the empty OP of open threads?

    Some additions to the OP might be:

    *Roundup of noteworthy Twitter threads
    *Round-up of noteworthy articles or blog posts
    *Noteworthy YouTube video/lecture
    *Comment of the Week/Day
    *Additional commentary by the host

    Might I suggest Dmitry take up the task of hosting this new blog. He is probably the most level-headed commenter here, is adept at gathering noteworthy articles and Twitter posts, and seems to have plenty of free time judging by the copious amount of comments he writes here.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    , @Gerard1234
    @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz,

    You should be totally ashamed of yourself. Karlin (NYT-listed writer) should not have his methods infringed on like this.

    Ukraine or Ukrainianism is solely a Deathcult. Nothing else .
    By definition there is nothing "pro-ukrainan" to be censored, because "supporting" something by willing it to deathcult itself out of existence, and be "proud" of its history - as a constant, loser deathcult - is oxymoronic. So Karlin is not doing any censorship.

    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin - its 2 historic "enemies" who they blame for everything

    It has a fake moronic National Orthodox church........created by Americans and Catholics

    As a retard, it views itself as a "victim" of Russian "imperialism" - an idiotic nonsensical statement because 404 is a gift receiver FROM Russia of about EIGHT different sections of land fron SIX different countries that they did not ask, fight or even lobby for. Its as artificial as a botched Michael Jackson facelift

    Its freakshow "ideology" is taken from the west of the fake country - even though Galicia has absolutely ZERO connection to "Ukrainian" architecture, cuisine, folksongs, dances, clothing, Dnieper, Black sea coast, Zaporozhian Cossacks or anything

    In light of this and much more, plus the idioticly high amount of fakes by ukrops/CIA /MI6 of military "peremoga" these last 2 weeks, and that there is basically no English-language pro-ukraine, or galician-reject blogger on the Internet, exactly because they know they would have to do mass censorship because of the ease it is to disintegrate their BS........ should give special allowance to (NYT-listed) Karlin.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

  14. @Philip Owen
    We've debated this before but the invasion brings new perspective.

    Is it too late for democratic reform in Russia? Are the 1.5m Silovki in the Orthodox Fascist cult simply too powerful. I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.

    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_e42p0IMqg

    Replies: @Chuikov, @Mr. Hack, @Coconuts

    Is it too late for democratic reform in Russia? Are the 1.5m Silovki in the Orthodox Fascist cult simply too powerful. I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.

    “Democratic reform” would destroy Russia as a sovereign state and a distinctive ethnic and cultural sphere. It would be folded into the liberal American cultural sphere and security architecture. You’d have lots of emigration of Russians as cheap labor to the West along with increasing 3rd world immigration into Russia, and the increasing importation and domination of liberal American and woke culture in Russia. Real power would be wielded by economic oligarchs friendly to the West along with a permanent liberal political/media class cultivated by the US; democratically elected politicians would hold nominal power but would be beholden to oligarchs and the political/media class.

    Instead, Russia should combine aspects from its past, the West, and even the Chinese model. A Leninist elite class combined with appreciation for Russian and Orthodox traditions to foster patriotism and cultural unity. Western liberal and free market capitalism to foster economic and techno growth. Chinese elite discipline to counter internal corruption and decadence within the elite class, as well as to counter oligarchical power arising from the unleashing of free market and liberal economic forces.

    Also, the Chinese experience with economic experimentation. To unleash and control market forces, Deng experimented with Special Economic Zones. This could work well with Russia given its vast size as well as experience from the Soviet era with cities and geographic areas that were specialized in particular industries. Except instead of command economics directed from Moscow, the Zones would have more market oriented economics unleashed internally.

  15. @Philip Owen
    We've debated this before but the invasion brings new perspective.

    Is it too late for democratic reform in Russia? Are the 1.5m Silovki in the Orthodox Fascist cult simply too powerful. I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.

    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_e42p0IMqg

    Replies: @Chuikov, @Mr. Hack, @Coconuts

    I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.

    Communism has too much baggage and most stratas of society are perfectly fine with a state run capitalist system run by the highest top tier, that all leads to an authoritarian Putin type of figure. He has helped shape this system from the very beginning and therefore we don’t really know how it will evolve after he’s gone.

    I watched the fabulous film “The Irishman” last night, where it showed how rich mafia leaders were more than happy to accept a change at the very top of the Teamster union when Jimmy Hoffa had to spend a few years behind bars. The new leader was more pliant and amenable to schemes that favored mafia aspirations to aggrandize themselves. You can’t really believe that the average Russian oligarch is pleased by what’s transpired within Russia and the Western world within the last two weeks?

  16. Here’s the latest from Patrick Lancaster from the just liberated Volnovakha

    • Thanks: Levtraro
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Commentator Mike

    At about 10:20 the guy in the fur hat and glasses uses the word "Amerikozy". Slang pejorative for Americans.
    Like me, Lancaster can speak Russian.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Sasu
    @Commentator Mike

    Thanks for sharing this. I hadn't seen any of his reports, and am surprised that YouTube hasn't removed them. Brave guy.

  17. @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    I saw your comment before Karlin deleted it, and posted a reply - which was not published but trashed :)

    And none of it was pro-Ukraine propoganda - well, maybe in the "larger sense" because it was critical of Karlin :)

    Anyways, the gist of my comment was basically that Karlin in my opinion hasn't so much changed, as finally developed the full implications of his core world view.

    In a sense, we are all living in apocalyptic times - apocalyptic means, I understand, "to reveal".

    Apocalyptic times come at the end, after you've been following a line of development for very long, and finally standing forth fully revealed before you, is what you were developing into.

    That is when you can clearly see if you were on the right, or the wrong, path.

    Not just Karlin, but the entire "modernized world", our civilization itself, are facing apocalyptic times, where it is revealed what path we had been on.

    As I said before, transgender and Woke, the epidemic of anxiety and depression sweeping the modernized world, the nihilistic boredom of Russia that leads it to launch pointless wars, the stories coming out of China of people dying of heart attacks and pregnant women losing babies, denied care over "Zero Covid" policies - all this was the inevitable result of trying to live against nature and God.

    But it is only at the end of the line of development, that you can clearly see what you were becoming.

    And these apocalyptic times are only beginning - more and more, we will "see ourselves" and be horrified.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @HenryBaker

    I enjoy reading all of your comments and am on board for almost all of your observations and ideas. You lend an air of spirituality to this community of thinkers and writers, that is all too often missing. There is nothing awe inspiring about killing civilians, children and even soldiers that are trying to defend their homeland. The biblical Apocalypse may really be just around the corner? Keep ’em coming!

    • Thanks: AaronB
  18. Today:

    Homosexual Pederast Mega Rock Star Pete Townshend and his enabler Mega Star Roger Daltrey made a statement today that The Who stands with Ukraine…..

    Strangely….The Who never released a statement in solidarity with the English Teenage Girls of Rotherdam England as they were being gang-raped by young Pakistani Muslim Men in England….

    • Replies: @A123
    @War for Blair Mountain


    Homosexual Pederast Mega Rock Star Pete Townshend and his enabler Mega Star Roger Daltrey made a statement today that The Who stands with Ukraine…..
     
    Hunter Biden, the druggie who knocked up a prostitute... On the side of Ukraine.

    George IslamoSoros has history with Zelensky: (1)

    The fact that George Soros can live freely in any democratic society including in the United States after purposefully working to undermine and destroy those democracies should tell you how much wealth and influence he really has.

    With that said, it should also come as no surprise that among his many ‘accomplishments’ was playing a major role in financing the overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is now trying to lead his country through a Russian invasion.
     
    Zelensky is a pawn, about to be sacrificed.

    George's Open [Muslim] Society Foundation has been encountering resistance to the import of Rape-ugees. It is not surprising that his Jihad is being rerouted. Causing infidel Ukraine to fight infidel Russia opens up a huge new Open [Muslim] Border.

    How many Muslim terrorists and Islamic rape-ugees will infiltrate Europe via this warzone?

    Judeo-Christians lose, Muslims win.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://noqreport.com/2022/03/03/george-soros-helped-zelensky-become-president-of-ukraine-through-massive-propaganda-campaign-now-he-backs-puppet-regime-he-installed/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

  19. @Commentator Mike
    Here's the latest from Patrick Lancaster from the just liberated Volnovakha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Sasu

    At about 10:20 the guy in the fur hat and glasses uses the word “Amerikozy”. Slang pejorative for Americans.
    Like me, Lancaster can speak Russian.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wielgus

    His Russian is terrible. And he asks leading questions.

    TBH, he looks like the kind of American who tries to get mail order brides.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Levtraro

  20. Is Russia really bringing mercenaries from the Central African Republic to Ukraine (that is actual black Africans), or are these Russian guys from the Wagner company who had been contracted by the CAR government?
    Ultimately it’s only a minor issue, but would still be interesting to see this clarified.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Can't verify anything, but phrase I heard was "train-and-equip program" which strongly suggests Africans. I've heard they get about $6/day to fight in Africa. Perhaps, they have white noncoms in charge of the units? Would be an interesting addition to Thomas Friedman's "the world is flat" idea, if everyone started using African mercs, due to the population explosion in Africa.

    I was surprised to learn recently that the Brits still seem to employ Gurkhas. (originally, they were mercenaries, as they had no economic prospects in the hilly area that they came from, so I think all these calls for justice are a little weird - they probably would have starved to death, without being able to join up). But even that tradition has become woke, as many seem to be given settlement rights in the UK, and they are recruiting Gurkha women. LOL. (Are the women of a martial race fiercer?) I wonder what the going rate for a Gurkha is on the global market, now.

    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks. (But perhaps it is higher?) History of American black units that they had no discipline and tended to cut and run. But, maybe, the Chechens are different, as a "martial race."

    Replies: @Yevardian

  21. @Wielgus
    @Commentator Mike

    At about 10:20 the guy in the fur hat and glasses uses the word "Amerikozy". Slang pejorative for Americans.
    Like me, Lancaster can speak Russian.

    Replies: @AP

    His Russian is terrible. And he asks leading questions.

    TBH, he looks like the kind of American who tries to get mail order brides.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @AP

    My Russian is better than his but with the possible exception of speaking Spanish, I am surprised by any American who speaks a foreign language at all.
    Leading questions or not (no worse than I have known the BBC to do) there did not seem to be much enthusiasm for the Ukrainians, to say the least. I was struck by the hostility to Americans one man showed, possibly old enough to remember the Cold War.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Levtraro
    @AP

    His evident bias is the least relevant fact. What matters is that he is in the war zone, a brave journalist, giving us the views from people there. Your comment on the other hand weigh less than a bag of popcorn, TBH.

  22. @AP
    @Wielgus

    His Russian is terrible. And he asks leading questions.

    TBH, he looks like the kind of American who tries to get mail order brides.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Levtraro

    My Russian is better than his but with the possible exception of speaking Spanish, I am surprised by any American who speaks a foreign language at all.
    Leading questions or not (no worse than I have known the BBC to do) there did not seem to be much enthusiasm for the Ukrainians, to say the least. I was struck by the hostility to Americans one man showed, possibly old enough to remember the Cold War.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wielgus


    I am surprised by any American who speaks a foreign language at all.
     
    He lived in Donetsk for 8 years, one would expect him to learn the language a little. It sounds awful though.

    Leading questions or not (no worse than I have known the BBC to do) there did not seem to be much enthusiasm for the Ukrainians, to say the least.
     
    They are being interviewed in the presence of the conquerors. And yet they still provide hedging answers, and with the possible exception of the old woman at the beginning offer no real enthusiasm for the "liberation."

    Replies: @Wielgus

  23. @War for Blair Mountain
    Today:

    Homosexual Pederast Mega Rock Star Pete Townshend and his enabler Mega Star Roger Daltrey made a statement today that The Who stands with Ukraine…..

    Strangely….The Who never released a statement in solidarity with the English Teenage Girls of Rotherdam England as they were being gang-raped by young Pakistani Muslim Men in England….

    Replies: @A123

    Homosexual Pederast Mega Rock Star Pete Townshend and his enabler Mega Star Roger Daltrey made a statement today that The Who stands with Ukraine…..

    Hunter Biden, the druggie who knocked up a prostitute… On the side of Ukraine.

    George IslamoSoros has history with Zelensky: (1)

    The fact that George Soros can live freely in any democratic society including in the United States after purposefully working to undermine and destroy those democracies should tell you how much wealth and influence he really has.

    With that said, it should also come as no surprise that among his many ‘accomplishments’ was playing a major role in financing the overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is now trying to lead his country through a Russian invasion.

    Zelensky is a pawn, about to be sacrificed.

    George’s Open [Muslim] Society Foundation has been encountering resistance to the import of Rape-ugees. It is not surprising that his Jihad is being rerouted. Causing infidel Ukraine to fight infidel Russia opens up a huge new Open [Muslim] Border.

    How many Muslim terrorists and Islamic rape-ugees will infiltrate Europe via this warzone?

    Judeo-Christians lose, Muslims win.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://noqreport.com/2022/03/03/george-soros-helped-zelensky-become-president-of-ukraine-through-massive-propaganda-campaign-now-he-backs-puppet-regime-he-installed/

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123


    Hunter Biden, the druggie who knocked up a prostitute
     
    Hunter Biden is a crackhead. These are the class people who give druggies a bad name. Lance Armstrong is a druggie.

    Also: she was a stripper, sex worker if you like, but calling her a prostitute may be exaggerating.
    , @sudden death
    @A123


    overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy
     
    Instead of reading and citing such tripe, it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint - it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

  24. So Karlin left a remarkable comment to AP on the other open thread in which he says hundreds of thousands of deaths are worthwhile to secure Russian independence to pursue it’s “Cosmist” dream.

    So I looked up Russian Cosmism, and apparently it is this religious philosophy of using technology to evolve, reach the stars, resurrect the dead, etc, that is apparently gaining influence among the Russian elite. I didn’t read up fully on this religion-ideology so don’t really understand it, but it seems pretty standard science-into-religion stuff of the kind that periodically appears in our sciency age.

    So that’s interesting and totally caught me by surprise.

    Russia seems once again to have embraced a revolutionary ideology that is religious in nature and salvific in aim, and for which it’s willing to kill people and start wars.

    100 years after last time. (Just waiting for the alt-right to blame this on Jews too, like the last one).

    To be honest, this makes me kind of sad for the Russians and Karlin but also, in a way, grateful.

    Russians are once again reminding the world that man needs religion, and if he doesn’t have a true one he will fill that ache with a false, absurd one, and wars and destruction will be the result.

    It’s not nihilistic boredom that Russia suffers from. It’s the ache for a true religion, the attempt to escape nihilism and find telos and meaning where it cannot be found.

    I suppose, the West also invents a religion based on science transcending nature, etc, but in a different way.

    Of course, “Cosmism” will no more be able to bring peace and happiness to people than any other false spirituality, and after a brief, and destructive, flash, will fade away.

    In the meantime, those who can must do the work of manifesting genuine spiritually in the world.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AaronB

    Probably the concepts of transhumanism can be found somewhere within the broader context of Russian cosmism, which of course Karlin was so attracted to. How one could get excited about having one's memories encapsulated within a computer chip inside of a robot, or even within a cryogenic "revived" human body was always beyond my understanding. I remember vividly Anon4 taking some of his precious time to explain some of these things to me, as he was once an adept of this ideology, but had steadfastly moved away from this thinking to embrace a spirituality very similar to your own.

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    2. The cosmist movement was obliterated totally by the commies. Except one guy whose name escapes me. One of the biggest Russian rocket scientists before they got German technology after 1945 began his career as a prominent cosmist. He turned over a new leaf when he got the big job in rockets.

    3. Cosmism is arcane. Think Hegel, Heidegger. If K knows more about it than they had a great name I would be surprised.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird, @Bill, @Philip Owen

  25. @A123
    @War for Blair Mountain


    Homosexual Pederast Mega Rock Star Pete Townshend and his enabler Mega Star Roger Daltrey made a statement today that The Who stands with Ukraine…..
     
    Hunter Biden, the druggie who knocked up a prostitute... On the side of Ukraine.

    George IslamoSoros has history with Zelensky: (1)

    The fact that George Soros can live freely in any democratic society including in the United States after purposefully working to undermine and destroy those democracies should tell you how much wealth and influence he really has.

    With that said, it should also come as no surprise that among his many ‘accomplishments’ was playing a major role in financing the overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is now trying to lead his country through a Russian invasion.
     
    Zelensky is a pawn, about to be sacrificed.

    George's Open [Muslim] Society Foundation has been encountering resistance to the import of Rape-ugees. It is not surprising that his Jihad is being rerouted. Causing infidel Ukraine to fight infidel Russia opens up a huge new Open [Muslim] Border.

    How many Muslim terrorists and Islamic rape-ugees will infiltrate Europe via this warzone?

    Judeo-Christians lose, Muslims win.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://noqreport.com/2022/03/03/george-soros-helped-zelensky-become-president-of-ukraine-through-massive-propaganda-campaign-now-he-backs-puppet-regime-he-installed/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    Hunter Biden, the druggie who knocked up a prostitute

    Hunter Biden is a crackhead. These are the class people who give druggies a bad name. Lance Armstrong is a druggie.

    Also: she was a stripper, sex worker if you like, but calling her a prostitute may be exaggerating.

    • Thanks: A123
  26. @Wielgus
    @AP

    My Russian is better than his but with the possible exception of speaking Spanish, I am surprised by any American who speaks a foreign language at all.
    Leading questions or not (no worse than I have known the BBC to do) there did not seem to be much enthusiasm for the Ukrainians, to say the least. I was struck by the hostility to Americans one man showed, possibly old enough to remember the Cold War.

    Replies: @AP

    I am surprised by any American who speaks a foreign language at all.

    He lived in Donetsk for 8 years, one would expect him to learn the language a little. It sounds awful though.

    Leading questions or not (no worse than I have known the BBC to do) there did not seem to be much enthusiasm for the Ukrainians, to say the least.

    They are being interviewed in the presence of the conquerors. And yet they still provide hedging answers, and with the possible exception of the old woman at the beginning offer no real enthusiasm for the “liberation.”

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @AP

    I suspect any genuine enthusiasts for the Ukrainians would have left with same. The old lady referred to the Ukrainians as grabiteli (looters). The others seemed more preoccupied with the problems of daily life. The older guy who did not like Americans was probably aware that America loves Zelensky.
    Over on the other side of the hill, I doubt whether people are going to directly contradict Zelensky or Yarosh either, whatever their true feelings. Hell, even one negotiator of theirs did not live to tell the tale...
    As to mail order brides, my experience of BBC workers in Britain is that the most typical vice is alcoholism but I am sure there are others...

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  27. @A123
    @War for Blair Mountain


    Homosexual Pederast Mega Rock Star Pete Townshend and his enabler Mega Star Roger Daltrey made a statement today that The Who stands with Ukraine…..
     
    Hunter Biden, the druggie who knocked up a prostitute... On the side of Ukraine.

    George IslamoSoros has history with Zelensky: (1)

    The fact that George Soros can live freely in any democratic society including in the United States after purposefully working to undermine and destroy those democracies should tell you how much wealth and influence he really has.

    With that said, it should also come as no surprise that among his many ‘accomplishments’ was playing a major role in financing the overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who is now trying to lead his country through a Russian invasion.
     
    Zelensky is a pawn, about to be sacrificed.

    George's Open [Muslim] Society Foundation has been encountering resistance to the import of Rape-ugees. It is not surprising that his Jihad is being rerouted. Causing infidel Ukraine to fight infidel Russia opens up a huge new Open [Muslim] Border.

    How many Muslim terrorists and Islamic rape-ugees will infiltrate Europe via this warzone?

    Judeo-Christians lose, Muslims win.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://noqreport.com/2022/03/03/george-soros-helped-zelensky-become-president-of-ukraine-through-massive-propaganda-campaign-now-he-backs-puppet-regime-he-installed/

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @sudden death

    overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy

    Instead of reading and citing such tripe, it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint – it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018.

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death


    , it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint – it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018
     
    The primary author of the EU Open [Muslim] Border policy, Angela Merkel, served from 2005-2021. This phase of undermining European borders occurred during her term. Two key reasons why this event is near the tail end:

    -1- ​Ukraine was not needed as an original route for Jihadist invaders. The requirement for a new rape-ugee corridor is directly tied to recent Christian Populist resistance within the EU block.

    -2- It took time to cultivate a patsy, like Zelensky, that could be manipulated into folly by SJW Elites.
    ____

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”, George Santayana

    The consequences of NATO encroachment previously played out ~2008 (Georgia -- Abkhazia -- Ossetia). A realistic Ukrainian leader would have kept pre-NATO [PfP] entirely West of the Dnieper. This could have easily been sold on the basis of better infrastructure.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Ukraine does not have actual elections you despicable retard. Didn't shithole Lithuania have effectively an unconstitutional coup, with the (sane) President replaced by some USAID Nazi excrement?

    Anyway, you do realise, idiot, that Operation Z, as beautiful as it is, would never have happened without Lukashenko's assistance......and he only allowed assistance via Belarus border, because Belarus flights and airlines were banned by Gayropa a year before.

    Why? Because dying, alcoholic, suicide retard Litva staged a false flag provocation making a flight carrying a Belarus dissident liberast cretin on a plane from Athens to Vilnius, get diverted to land in Minsk where he was immediately arrested.
    Absolutely zero logical explanation for Vilnius ATC actions, transcripts for them or Pilot or ANY statement by the pilot in public after.

    Replies: @sudden death

  28. @Philip Owen
    We've debated this before but the invasion brings new perspective.

    Is it too late for democratic reform in Russia? Are the 1.5m Silovki in the Orthodox Fascist cult simply too powerful. I think Putin is no more than their figure head. Changing Putin does nothing. Only a Communist government would mark real change.

    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_e42p0IMqg

    Replies: @Chuikov, @Mr. Hack, @Coconuts

    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.

    ‘Orthodox Fascism’ seems to be a contradictory concept, i.e. in Orthodox Christianity God is the highest good and the source of moral law (and ultimately all political authority) and God is transcendent, separate from the world.

    In Fascism the state is the highest realisation of the moral good, the closest you can get to the absolute, political authority derives from the people and their rational capabilities as they evolve in time. Totalitarianism is central to Fascism, every part of human life should be integrated into the state community.

    I don’t know if the current Russian state has the capacity to attempt to establish totalitarianism, if there is even any inclination, given the way Orthodoxy is favoured, looks like not. But, it also seems like the advent of some modernised form of Fascism would be more plausible than the re-introduction of Communism.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Coconuts


    and God is transcendent, separate from the world
     
    It is my understanding that in Orthodoxy, God is also "imannent" in creation, which actually makes the world in a sense sacred.

    Indeed, the central Orthodox goal - theosis, reuniting with God - would be impossible if he was completely transcendent to his creation.

    I may be wrong about this, and would be glad if anyone more knowledgeable could correct me, but from what I've read and listened to, this is the case.
    , @Philip Owen
    @Coconuts

    Exactly my point. The Orthodoxy is fake. There is no Christian virtue in them.

    Replies: @Spisarevski

    , @Seraphim
    @Coconuts

    It becomes every day more apparent that it is a religious war. Finally the 'Holy Father' the Joke decided ''to consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on March 25, the Solemnity of the Annunciation, is linked to the apparitions at Fatima. On the same day at the shrine in Portugal, papal almoner Cardinal Konrad Krajewski will make the same act of consecration in the name of Pope Francis''.
    It is known that the demonic apparition of the 'Mother' (aka 'Our Lady of Fatima', 'Our Lady of the Rosary') asked the Pope and the bishops in union with him to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart so that Russia would be converted to papism, obviously. The Pope resisted to fulfil this command, supposedly to convert Russia from Bolshevism. He didn't do it during the reign of Bolshevism. It does it now against 'Orthodox Fascism'. But that was the aim of Papism since it declared war on Orthodoxy, ages ago.
    Feminists would be happy too. The 'Goddess' who tramples on the hated 'Patriarchy'.
    Muslims would be happy too. Fatimah, the daughter of Muhammad and the Jewess Khadija ("the Mother of the Believers'') a similar position in Islam that Mary, mother of Jesus, occupies in Christianity. Duh.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @AP

    , @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts

    My viewpoint is that Putin has promoted Russian Orthodoxy primarily for it's value in creating a distinctive national identity useful for his political objectives. I don't think he sees it valuable in and of itself.

    So much of the resurgent Russian Orthodoxy will be used for and tied to explicitly state purposes and aims.

    I suspect this is what Philip Owen means by Orthodox Fascism. It's actually not an inaccurate use of the term Fascism, since it represents the binding together of State and Church in Russia. It's not as though Putin is inventing anything new in going this route, since it's been happening throughout Christian history. However, as Philip Owen implies it has little to do with the message of Jesus Christ.

    This binding together of the reeds of State and Church is nowhere more apparent than in the Cathedral of the Russian Armed Forces which deploys religion for a very explicitly nationalist purpose.

    , @HenryBaker
    @Coconuts


    [Orthodoxy is not good for fascism], in Orthodox Christianity God is the highest good and the source of moral law (and ultimately all political authority) and God is transcendent, separate from the world.
     
    Ever heard of Caesaropapism?

    "In Fascism the state is the highest realisation of the moral good, the closest you can get to the absolute, political authority derives from the people and their rational capabilities as they evolve in time. Totalitarianism is central to Fascism, every part of human life should be integrated into the state community."

    Do remember that an Orthodox Fascist/Nazi movement did exist: it's the Legionaries in Rumania.

  29. @AP
    @Wielgus


    I am surprised by any American who speaks a foreign language at all.
     
    He lived in Donetsk for 8 years, one would expect him to learn the language a little. It sounds awful though.

    Leading questions or not (no worse than I have known the BBC to do) there did not seem to be much enthusiasm for the Ukrainians, to say the least.
     
    They are being interviewed in the presence of the conquerors. And yet they still provide hedging answers, and with the possible exception of the old woman at the beginning offer no real enthusiasm for the "liberation."

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I suspect any genuine enthusiasts for the Ukrainians would have left with same. The old lady referred to the Ukrainians as grabiteli (looters). The others seemed more preoccupied with the problems of daily life. The older guy who did not like Americans was probably aware that America loves Zelensky.
    Over on the other side of the hill, I doubt whether people are going to directly contradict Zelensky or Yarosh either, whatever their true feelings. Hell, even one negotiator of theirs did not live to tell the tale…
    As to mail order brides, my experience of BBC workers in Britain is that the most typical vice is alcoholism but I am sure there are others…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @Wielgus

    Weren't they gypsies in that building? Didn't someone tell him about Roma there or something?

    The younger man around the fire wasn't too enthusiastic about LDNR, saying "We'll see". I suppose when they've been through so much and seen so much corruption and so many betrayals from all the people there they can't really work up too much enthusiasm. The potential is there for things to get better with the Russians, with the UkroNazis not so much.

    Patrick seems to have a Russian translator with him who sometimes corrects his pronunciation. I wonder if it would be better to let the translator ask the questions and then just comment in English himself.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  30. @Coconuts
    @Philip Owen


    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.
     
    'Orthodox Fascism' seems to be a contradictory concept, i.e. in Orthodox Christianity God is the highest good and the source of moral law (and ultimately all political authority) and God is transcendent, separate from the world.

    In Fascism the state is the highest realisation of the moral good, the closest you can get to the absolute, political authority derives from the people and their rational capabilities as they evolve in time. Totalitarianism is central to Fascism, every part of human life should be integrated into the state community.

    I don't know if the current Russian state has the capacity to attempt to establish totalitarianism, if there is even any inclination, given the way Orthodoxy is favoured, looks like not. But, it also seems like the advent of some modernised form of Fascism would be more plausible than the re-introduction of Communism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Philip Owen, @Seraphim, @Barbarossa, @HenryBaker

    and God is transcendent, separate from the world

    It is my understanding that in Orthodoxy, God is also “imannent” in creation, which actually makes the world in a sense sacred.

    Indeed, the central Orthodox goal – theosis, reuniting with God – would be impossible if he was completely transcendent to his creation.

    I may be wrong about this, and would be glad if anyone more knowledgeable could correct me, but from what I’ve read and listened to, this is the case.

  31. @AaronB
    So Karlin left a remarkable comment to AP on the other open thread in which he says hundreds of thousands of deaths are worthwhile to secure Russian independence to pursue it's "Cosmist" dream.

    So I looked up Russian Cosmism, and apparently it is this religious philosophy of using technology to evolve, reach the stars, resurrect the dead, etc, that is apparently gaining influence among the Russian elite. I didn't read up fully on this religion-ideology so don't really understand it, but it seems pretty standard science-into-religion stuff of the kind that periodically appears in our sciency age.

    So that's interesting and totally caught me by surprise.

    Russia seems once again to have embraced a revolutionary ideology that is religious in nature and salvific in aim, and for which it's willing to kill people and start wars.

    100 years after last time. (Just waiting for the alt-right to blame this on Jews too, like the last one).

    To be honest, this makes me kind of sad for the Russians and Karlin but also, in a way, grateful.

    Russians are once again reminding the world that man needs religion, and if he doesn't have a true one he will fill that ache with a false, absurd one, and wars and destruction will be the result.

    It's not nihilistic boredom that Russia suffers from. It's the ache for a true religion, the attempt to escape nihilism and find telos and meaning where it cannot be found.

    I suppose, the West also invents a religion based on science transcending nature, etc, but in a different way.

    Of course, "Cosmism" will no more be able to bring peace and happiness to people than any other false spirituality, and after a brief, and destructive, flash, will fade away.

    In the meantime, those who can must do the work of manifesting genuine spiritually in the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Probably the concepts of transhumanism can be found somewhere within the broader context of Russian cosmism, which of course Karlin was so attracted to. How one could get excited about having one’s memories encapsulated within a computer chip inside of a robot, or even within a cryogenic “revived” human body was always beyond my understanding. I remember vividly Anon4 taking some of his precious time to explain some of these things to me, as he was once an adept of this ideology, but had steadfastly moved away from this thinking to embrace a spirituality very similar to your own.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    I agree, I never understood the appeal of loading my memories onto a computer as a form of personal survival. It's an obvious fantasy - whatever it would be, it wouldn't be me.

    I see it though as a form of clutching at straws. The deep religious yearning cannot be denied, but if you have pre-trapped yourself in a materialist framework, you have no choice but to come up with these kinds of grotesqueries.

    Many people today are trapped in a materialist framework, in the sense that for them it is a primary assumption they literally cannot question.

    I've had people tell me they'd like to believe in God, but they simply cannot. They can't even explain why they can't, but there is some block there.

    So if that's your predicament, you're gonna come up with nonsense like transhumanism, non binary gender, etc, etc.

    Or so it seems to me.

  32. @Philip Owen
    I posed this earlier on a Patrick Armstrong thread but it probably fits here. There seems to be a different audience.

    _____________________________________

    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.

    Regrouping and reinforcements don’t help that much. There are only so many men and vehicles Russia can push down those roads. It can go on forever of course. Also, I forgot high quality mercenaries when I wrote this first.

    Specification versus reality

    Michelin tires – Chinese knock offs
    Thick wool socks – Acrylics
    Fresh Compo rations (MRE in US) – keep the 7 year old ones
    Contract soldiers drawing pay – They were ghosts, conscripts were doing the work.

    On the socks. Socks stave off trenchfoot better than the WW1 foot wraps the Russians were using until 3 or 4 years ago (maybe that was the 71.6% new equipment of which Shoigu spoke?). But they need to be the right socks.

    This kind of corruption can’t be cured by regrouping and launching a new attack. Russia can still win by sending in steam roller after steam roller. And it appears difficult for Ukraine to deal with artillery without air support. But then, the Ukrainian army has 20,000 snipers. Senior officers are keeling over. Bombardiers might toowith real time battle information from NATO. Victory (occupation) will happen but not in 72 hours and that will just be getting into poistion for the insurgency.
    _______________________________________________

    Also, what happens to Russian troop morale when pictures emerge of well paid ($300/month with expenses) African and Arab mercenaries killing Ukrainian civilians. Aren't the Russian troops there to protect, in some roundabout way, their Ukrainian brothers?

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Barbarossa, @Rich, @PedroAstra

    I must have missed it. Where was it confirmed that Putin thought it would take 48 hours to subdue Ukraine?

    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.

    I have heard the claim but have not seen good confirmation. Even the Canadian and US Freedom Convoys took much more than 48 hours but I guess some people think the military can move faster.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    Well the Putin Liberation Victory video came out at 72 hours so it might really have been expected at that point. The FSB heads who planned this are now in jail because it didn't go as planned. The budget for inserting subversives ready for the grand entrance (including paid crowds of at least 5000 in each major city) seems to have disappeared.

  33. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend

    Casting snide aspersions on me, not backing up your words when called out on it, then being very surprised about my attitude towards you. Especially considering this was not a new pattern, you having engaged in a very long history of dissimulation and smears directed against me, for which almost anyone else would have long since banned you and your previous alter egos.

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation…….. which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times – listed writer, Anatoly Karlin….. and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM – but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    Shock and disbelief.

    Replies: @Gerard1234, @Gerard1234

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Gerard1234

    I accept the olive branch and must acknowledge that I was incorrect to repress you so, despite your penchant for uncouthness, I now see that it was driven by an underlying moral clarity that shines like the Sun at a time now when it matters.

    As regards Yevardian's suggestion below, I would be honored and privileged to have Gerard take over the running of the Russian Reaction blog if he would be so interested.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

  34. @sudden death
    @A123


    overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy
     
    Instead of reading and citing such tripe, it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint - it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    , it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint – it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018

    The primary author of the EU Open [Muslim] Border policy, Angela Merkel, served from 2005-2021. This phase of undermining European borders occurred during her term. Two key reasons why this event is near the tail end:

    -1- ​Ukraine was not needed as an original route for Jihadist invaders. The requirement for a new rape-ugee corridor is directly tied to recent Christian Populist resistance within the EU block.

    -2- It took time to cultivate a patsy, like Zelensky, that could be manipulated into folly by SJW Elites.
    ____

    “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”, George Santayana

    The consequences of NATO encroachment previously played out ~2008 (Georgia — Abkhazia — Ossetia). A realistic Ukrainian leader would have kept pre-NATO [PfP] entirely West of the Dnieper. This could have easily been sold on the basis of better infrastructure.

    PEACE 😇

  35. @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend


    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.
     
    Glad to help and also glad that this approach seems satisfactory to almost everyone.

    On a more substantive matter, those who have the time might want to watch an hour-long Glenn Greenwald presentation on America's biowarfare programs and the game-playing denials about those Ukraine biolabs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_HZ3Ta-5w

    And the short Rumble video interview from last month outlining my analysis that the Covid outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) just broke 100,000 views, far more than I expected given the total recent focus on Russia/Ukraine:

    https://rumble.com/embed/vsi3d0/ .

    Replies: @Yahya, @Gerard1234

    Mr. Unz,

    Since Karlin’s community is now gathered under a new blog spot, why not confer authorship to one of the commenters here to continue hosting this spot, moderate the comments, and perhaps add more value to the empty OP of open threads?

    Some additions to the OP might be:

    *Roundup of noteworthy Twitter threads
    *Round-up of noteworthy articles or blog posts
    *Noteworthy YouTube video/lecture
    *Comment of the Week/Day
    *Additional commentary by the host

    Might I suggest Dmitry take up the task of hosting this new blog. He is probably the most level-headed commenter here, is adept at gathering noteworthy articles and Twitter posts, and seems to have plenty of free time judging by the copious amount of comments he writes here.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya

    We don't need moderation (would you have liked it if you had been banned for your comments against songbird?). And if there should be something exceptional that calls for it, like doxxing, one can just notify Ron Unz in one of his open threads.
    Dmitry should rather attend to his Polish girlfriend instead of spending yet more time on this comments section.

    , @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation.

    I cannot be a moderator or host, even if it would not be the most unpopular choice. But if we had ever needed a local moderator, maybe German Reader would be a good option for us :) Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn't censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard

  36. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    Since Karlin's community is now gathered under a new blog spot, why not confer authorship to one of the commenters here to continue hosting this spot, moderate the comments, and perhaps add more value to the empty OP of open threads?

    Some additions to the OP might be:

    *Roundup of noteworthy Twitter threads
    *Round-up of noteworthy articles or blog posts
    *Noteworthy YouTube video/lecture
    *Comment of the Week/Day
    *Additional commentary by the host

    Might I suggest Dmitry take up the task of hosting this new blog. He is probably the most level-headed commenter here, is adept at gathering noteworthy articles and Twitter posts, and seems to have plenty of free time judging by the copious amount of comments he writes here.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    We don’t need moderation (would you have liked it if you had been banned for your comments against songbird?). And if there should be something exceptional that calls for it, like doxxing, one can just notify Ron Unz in one of his open threads.
    Dmitry should rather attend to his Polish girlfriend instead of spending yet more time on this comments section.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  37. @Peripatetic Commenter
    @Philip Owen

    I must have missed it. Where was it confirmed that Putin thought it would take 48 hours to subdue Ukraine?


    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.
     
    I have heard the claim but have not seen good confirmation. Even the Canadian and US Freedom Convoys took much more than 48 hours but I guess some people think the military can move faster.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Well the Putin Liberation Victory video came out at 72 hours so it might really have been expected at that point. The FSB heads who planned this are now in jail because it didn’t go as planned. The budget for inserting subversives ready for the grand entrance (including paid crowds of at least 5000 in each major city) seems to have disappeared.

  38. @Coconuts
    @Philip Owen


    To make my point about Orthodox Fascism, here again is their Temple of Mars.
     
    'Orthodox Fascism' seems to be a contradictory concept, i.e. in Orthodox Christianity God is the highest good and the source of moral law (and ultimately all political authority) and God is transcendent, separate from the world.

    In Fascism the state is the highest realisation of the moral good, the closest you can get to the absolute, political authority derives from the people and their rational capabilities as they evolve in time. Totalitarianism is central to Fascism, every part of human life should be integrated into the state community.

    I don't know if the current Russian state has the capacity to attempt to establish totalitarianism, if there is even any inclination, given the way Orthodoxy is favoured, looks like not. But, it also seems like the advent of some modernised form of Fascism would be more plausible than the re-introduction of Communism.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Philip Owen, @Seraphim, @Barbarossa, @HenryBaker

    Exactly my point. The Orthodoxy is fake. There is no Christian virtue in them.

    • Replies: @Spisarevski
    @Philip Owen

    What do you even know about Orthodox Christianity?

    Hint: it's not about being a gay nigger as you probably imagine.

  39. @Mr. Hack
    @AaronB

    Probably the concepts of transhumanism can be found somewhere within the broader context of Russian cosmism, which of course Karlin was so attracted to. How one could get excited about having one's memories encapsulated within a computer chip inside of a robot, or even within a cryogenic "revived" human body was always beyond my understanding. I remember vividly Anon4 taking some of his precious time to explain some of these things to me, as he was once an adept of this ideology, but had steadfastly moved away from this thinking to embrace a spirituality very similar to your own.

    Replies: @AaronB

    I agree, I never understood the appeal of loading my memories onto a computer as a form of personal survival. It’s an obvious fantasy – whatever it would be, it wouldn’t be me.

    I see it though as a form of clutching at straws. The deep religious yearning cannot be denied, but if you have pre-trapped yourself in a materialist framework, you have no choice but to come up with these kinds of grotesqueries.

    Many people today are trapped in a materialist framework, in the sense that for them it is a primary assumption they literally cannot question.

    I’ve had people tell me they’d like to believe in God, but they simply cannot. They can’t even explain why they can’t, but there is some block there.

    So if that’s your predicament, you’re gonna come up with nonsense like transhumanism, non binary gender, etc, etc.

    Or so it seems to me.

  40. @AaronB
    So Karlin left a remarkable comment to AP on the other open thread in which he says hundreds of thousands of deaths are worthwhile to secure Russian independence to pursue it's "Cosmist" dream.

    So I looked up Russian Cosmism, and apparently it is this religious philosophy of using technology to evolve, reach the stars, resurrect the dead, etc, that is apparently gaining influence among the Russian elite. I didn't read up fully on this religion-ideology so don't really understand it, but it seems pretty standard science-into-religion stuff of the kind that periodically appears in our sciency age.

    So that's interesting and totally caught me by surprise.

    Russia seems once again to have embraced a revolutionary ideology that is religious in nature and salvific in aim, and for which it's willing to kill people and start wars.

    100 years after last time. (Just waiting for the alt-right to blame this on Jews too, like the last one).

    To be honest, this makes me kind of sad for the Russians and Karlin but also, in a way, grateful.

    Russians are once again reminding the world that man needs religion, and if he doesn't have a true one he will fill that ache with a false, absurd one, and wars and destruction will be the result.

    It's not nihilistic boredom that Russia suffers from. It's the ache for a true religion, the attempt to escape nihilism and find telos and meaning where it cannot be found.

    I suppose, the West also invents a religion based on science transcending nature, etc, but in a different way.

    Of course, "Cosmism" will no more be able to bring peace and happiness to people than any other false spirituality, and after a brief, and destructive, flash, will fade away.

    In the meantime, those who can must do the work of manifesting genuine spiritually in the world.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Emil Nikola Richard

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    2. The cosmist movement was obliterated totally by the commies. Except one guy whose name escapes me. One of the biggest Russian rocket scientists before they got German technology after 1945 began his career as a prominent cosmist. He turned over a new leaf when he got the big job in rockets.

    3. Cosmism is arcane. Think Hegel, Heidegger. If K knows more about it than they had a great name I would be surprised.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    You're both clueless.

    , @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life.
     
    Don't know what I would do exactly.

    But if I were standing above the bones of Isaac Newton, Leibniz, Mozart, or Helmuth von Moltke the Elder, thinking about how world IQ is 82 and dropping. How Europe seems to have run out of great men and how dysgenics seem poised to destroy everything. And if I happened to have a few spare cloning vats and confidence in my methods of education, I might just take a pick axe to the ground.

    And I'm not a cosmist or transhumanist.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Bill
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.
     
    Is Alcor not transhumanist? Just transhumanist-adjacent or something?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    , @Philip Owen
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Do you mean the late Nikolai (?) Levashov? His claims to have worked at NASA were bogus. He went to the US in 1991 to be a hippy for 10 years. I don't know where the money came from. He has a substantial (tens of thousands) following in Russia kept alive by his wife. It was growing the last time I looked. Blavatsky, Thule Society, Timothy Leary etc. Strong cult of physical purity. Grand Tartary was the foundation of Russia. Sometimes I wonder whether Putin has picked up some of it.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  41. @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend


    The space for open discourse is narrowing everywhere, so we must cherish the few places where actual free speech still exists. This is one of them.
     
    Glad to help and also glad that this approach seems satisfactory to almost everyone.

    On a more substantive matter, those who have the time might want to watch an hour-long Glenn Greenwald presentation on America's biowarfare programs and the game-playing denials about those Ukraine biolabs:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yn_HZ3Ta-5w

    And the short Rumble video interview from last month outlining my analysis that the Covid outbreak was an American biowarfare attack against China (and Iran) just broke 100,000 views, far more than I expected given the total recent focus on Russia/Ukraine:

    https://rumble.com/embed/vsi3d0/ .

    Replies: @Yahya, @Gerard1234

    Ron Unz,

    You should be totally ashamed of yourself. Karlin (NYT-listed writer) should not have his methods infringed on like this.

    Ukraine or Ukrainianism is solely a Deathcult. Nothing else .
    By definition there is nothing “pro-ukrainan” to be censored, because “supporting” something by willing it to deathcult itself out of existence, and be “proud” of its history – as a constant, loser deathcult – is oxymoronic. So Karlin is not doing any censorship.

    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin – its 2 historic “enemies” who they blame for everything

    It has a fake moronic National Orthodox church……..created by Americans and Catholics

    As a retard, it views itself as a “victim” of Russian “imperialism” – an idiotic nonsensical statement because 404 is a gift receiver FROM Russia of about EIGHT different sections of land fron SIX different countries that they did not ask, fight or even lobby for. Its as artificial as a botched Michael Jackson facelift

    Its freakshow “ideology” is taken from the west of the fake country – even though Galicia has absolutely ZERO connection to “Ukrainian” architecture, cuisine, folksongs, dances, clothing, Dnieper, Black sea coast, Zaporozhian Cossacks or anything

    In light of this and much more, plus the idioticly high amount of fakes by ukrops/CIA /MI6 of military “peremoga” these last 2 weeks, and that there is basically no English-language pro-ukraine, or galician-reject blogger on the Internet, exactly because they know they would have to do mass censorship because of the ease it is to disintegrate their BS…….. should give special allowance to (NYT-listed) Karlin.

    • Agree: sher singh, Anatoly Karlin
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Adept
    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Gerard1234


    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin – its 2 historic “enemies” who they blame for everything
     
    Algeria is a creation of the French, Indonesia was created by the Dutch. Didn't help us win the war. When Indonesia rose up we called nationalism there fake as countless languages are spoken there and Indonesia had had no national existence before us. Yet the uprising against us was massive and Indonesia still exists.
  42. @sudden death
    @A123


    overthrow of Ukraine’s government in 2014 and the installment of its current leader, a former comedic actor named Volodymyr Zelenskyy
     
    Instead of reading and citing such tripe, it would be better just google the year when Zelensky was elected as a president of Ukraine, lol

    The hint - it was not in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 or 2018.

    Replies: @A123, @Gerard1234

    Ukraine does not have actual elections you despicable retard. Didn’t shithole Lithuania have effectively an unconstitutional coup, with the (sane) President replaced by some USAID Nazi excrement?

    Anyway, you do realise, idiot, that Operation Z, as beautiful as it is, would never have happened without Lukashenko’s assistance……and he only allowed assistance via Belarus border, because Belarus flights and airlines were banned by Gayropa a year before.

    Why? Because dying, alcoholic, suicide retard Litva staged a false flag provocation making a flight carrying a Belarus dissident liberast cretin on a plane from Athens to Vilnius, get diverted to land in Minsk where he was immediately arrested.
    Absolutely zero logical explanation for Vilnius ATC actions, transcripts for them or Pilot or ANY statement by the pilot in public after.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    haha, nothing better to see in the morning than neverending lamentations about impeached RF puppet who also happens to be wife beater alcholic, lol

    https://c.tenor.com/AqDQXMOsNd4AAAAd/let-me-taste-your-tears-scott-cartman.gif

    Replies: @Gerard1234

  43. @Yahya
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz,

    Since Karlin's community is now gathered under a new blog spot, why not confer authorship to one of the commenters here to continue hosting this spot, moderate the comments, and perhaps add more value to the empty OP of open threads?

    Some additions to the OP might be:

    *Roundup of noteworthy Twitter threads
    *Round-up of noteworthy articles or blog posts
    *Noteworthy YouTube video/lecture
    *Comment of the Week/Day
    *Additional commentary by the host

    Might I suggest Dmitry take up the task of hosting this new blog. He is probably the most level-headed commenter here, is adept at gathering noteworthy articles and Twitter posts, and seems to have plenty of free time judging by the copious amount of comments he writes here.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation.

    I cannot be a moderator or host, even if it would not be the most unpopular choice. But if we had ever needed a local moderator, maybe German Reader would be a good option for us 🙂 Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn’t censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation. I cannot be a moderator or host,
     
    The “moderate” suggestion was just a minor addition (Unz mentioned in the OP he’d like the place to be “lightly moderated”, so I thought I’d add that in there. But it’s not important.)

    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP. It would also lift the burden for Mr. Unz, who has to regularly check the no. of comments and come back here to start new threads every time comments reach a certain limit.


    Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn’t censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.
     
    Agree. German Reader is very knowledgeable and would be an excellent host imo (though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post).

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    The rumor is these guys are the new mod team:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9lObWclFQ

  44. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation.

    I cannot be a moderator or host, even if it would not be the most unpopular choice. But if we had ever needed a local moderator, maybe German Reader would be a good option for us :) Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn't censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation. I cannot be a moderator or host,

    The “moderate” suggestion was just a minor addition (Unz mentioned in the OP he’d like the place to be “lightly moderated”, so I thought I’d add that in there. But it’s not important.)

    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP. It would also lift the burden for Mr. Unz, who has to regularly check the no. of comments and come back here to start new threads every time comments reach a certain limit.

    Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn’t censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.

    Agree. German Reader is very knowledgeable and would be an excellent host imo (though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post).

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yahya


    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP.
     
    No idea how it could be implemented, but maybe there could be a scheme where regular commenters (who are therefore known to the community and have been "vetted" in a way) could submit some longer piece (e.g. book reviews or the like) as content for discussion. Maybe a regular spot for that every one or two weeks?
    I doubt any commenter will be willing to take on full duties of a host though...quality blogging (and moderation) is hard work after all.

    though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post
     
    Don't take it personally, I've contradicted lots of commenters recently.
    And thanks, but I don't have time for being a host, and I don't think I'd be psychologically suited either.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    , @sudden death
    @Yahya


    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP
     
    imho, all this hassle is not needed at all, the main value here is freewheeling banter in a very convenient format and options created and sponsored by Mr. Unz. If anybody feelz needz for more "content" he can apply to the master of this site and become a valuable writer and sorter himself in his own new corner.
  45. @Dmitry
    @Yahya

    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation.

    I cannot be a moderator or host, even if it would not be the most unpopular choice. But if we had ever needed a local moderator, maybe German Reader would be a good option for us :) Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn't censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.

    Replies: @Yahya, @Emil Nikola Richard

    The rumor is these guys are the new mod team:

  46. German_reader says:
    @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation. I cannot be a moderator or host,
     
    The “moderate” suggestion was just a minor addition (Unz mentioned in the OP he’d like the place to be “lightly moderated”, so I thought I’d add that in there. But it’s not important.)

    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP. It would also lift the burden for Mr. Unz, who has to regularly check the no. of comments and come back here to start new threads every time comments reach a certain limit.


    Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn’t censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.
     
    Agree. German Reader is very knowledgeable and would be an excellent host imo (though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post).

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP.

    No idea how it could be implemented, but maybe there could be a scheme where regular commenters (who are therefore known to the community and have been “vetted” in a way) could submit some longer piece (e.g. book reviews or the like) as content for discussion. Maybe a regular spot for that every one or two weeks?
    I doubt any commenter will be willing to take on full duties of a host though…quality blogging (and moderation) is hard work after all.

    though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post

    Don’t take it personally, I’ve contradicted lots of commenters recently.
    And thanks, but I don’t have time for being a host, and I don’t think I’d be psychologically suited either.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    e.g. book reviews or the like

    Speaking of book reviews, have you read Geboren in Moskau: Erinnerungen eines baltendeutschen Diplomaten 1912-1955 by Erich Franz Sommer?

    https://books.google.pt/books/about/Geboren_in_Moskau.html?id=BvPiAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

    If you haven't I strongly recommend it -- the number of interesting (and famous) people he encountered is absolutely amazing. And his life as well -- first memories being of disturbances in Moscow during the Russian Revolution, to being the German diplomat who phoned up the Russian Embassy in Berlin on 22 June 1941 to invite them to receive to receive Ribbentrop's Memorandum), to being sentenced to 25 years hard labor in a Soviet camp north of the Arctic Circle.

    Replies: @German_reader

  47. Not sure that the US would try a hard bifurcation, if China invaded Taiwan.

    One really big rub is that the Chinese are propping up the US college system with foreign students. If they were ever pulled, then many colleges might fail. And the college system is basically part of the blank-slatist ideology that the US is committed to. It is the darling of the regime ideologues, who have the idea that we all just need a little more education.

    But, maybe, we are already past peak in the trend, due to Covid and BLM and the number of Chinese students is decreasing where they might be relatively rare in another ten years. Probably Xi is not thinking about it. BTW, his daughter went to Harvard.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    If American colleges continue their debasement Chinese institutions might gain prestige for maintaining their intellectual rigor, at least in STEM. Russian ones too, if you don't mind being locked out of the Western Noosphere. Accelerationism is good!

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    Looking at it again, if you see the war in Ukraine not as territorial, but of markets in energy and food, then hard decoupling from China will happen even if it appears to be mutually harmful - I actually believe high energy and food prices and shortages in some materials will accelerate what "solutions" that have been touted ("green" transition, bug-eating) even if they are far from adequate. A hard decoupling from China definitely means far more extensive shortages esp. in manufacturing, that is to be "solved" by UBI and automation at home. You will own less and be happy.

  48. @Philip Owen
    I posed this earlier on a Patrick Armstrong thread but it probably fits here. There seems to be a different audience.

    _____________________________________

    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.

    Regrouping and reinforcements don’t help that much. There are only so many men and vehicles Russia can push down those roads. It can go on forever of course. Also, I forgot high quality mercenaries when I wrote this first.

    Specification versus reality

    Michelin tires – Chinese knock offs
    Thick wool socks – Acrylics
    Fresh Compo rations (MRE in US) – keep the 7 year old ones
    Contract soldiers drawing pay – They were ghosts, conscripts were doing the work.

    On the socks. Socks stave off trenchfoot better than the WW1 foot wraps the Russians were using until 3 or 4 years ago (maybe that was the 71.6% new equipment of which Shoigu spoke?). But they need to be the right socks.

    This kind of corruption can’t be cured by regrouping and launching a new attack. Russia can still win by sending in steam roller after steam roller. And it appears difficult for Ukraine to deal with artillery without air support. But then, the Ukrainian army has 20,000 snipers. Senior officers are keeling over. Bombardiers might toowith real time battle information from NATO. Victory (occupation) will happen but not in 72 hours and that will just be getting into poistion for the insurgency.
    _______________________________________________

    Also, what happens to Russian troop morale when pictures emerge of well paid ($300/month with expenses) African and Arab mercenaries killing Ukrainian civilians. Aren't the Russian troops there to protect, in some roundabout way, their Ukrainian brothers?

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Barbarossa, @Rich, @PedroAstra

    Really, the Russian military doesn’t even have good wool socks? That would be shocking to me.

    Personally I don’t wear any socks other than wool and I buy Russian wool goods on eBay from time to time. Valenkis with leather lowers make great slip on winter boots, for example. One would think that the folks who came up with Valenkis could at least pull off good winter socks for their troops.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Barbarossa

    I'm really pissed of that in recent years, it's not as easy to get socks in the US which are at least 75% cotton.

  49. @Philip Owen
    I posed this earlier on a Patrick Armstrong thread but it probably fits here. There seems to be a different audience.

    _____________________________________

    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.

    Regrouping and reinforcements don’t help that much. There are only so many men and vehicles Russia can push down those roads. It can go on forever of course. Also, I forgot high quality mercenaries when I wrote this first.

    Specification versus reality

    Michelin tires – Chinese knock offs
    Thick wool socks – Acrylics
    Fresh Compo rations (MRE in US) – keep the 7 year old ones
    Contract soldiers drawing pay – They were ghosts, conscripts were doing the work.

    On the socks. Socks stave off trenchfoot better than the WW1 foot wraps the Russians were using until 3 or 4 years ago (maybe that was the 71.6% new equipment of which Shoigu spoke?). But they need to be the right socks.

    This kind of corruption can’t be cured by regrouping and launching a new attack. Russia can still win by sending in steam roller after steam roller. And it appears difficult for Ukraine to deal with artillery without air support. But then, the Ukrainian army has 20,000 snipers. Senior officers are keeling over. Bombardiers might toowith real time battle information from NATO. Victory (occupation) will happen but not in 72 hours and that will just be getting into poistion for the insurgency.
    _______________________________________________

    Also, what happens to Russian troop morale when pictures emerge of well paid ($300/month with expenses) African and Arab mercenaries killing Ukrainian civilians. Aren't the Russian troops there to protect, in some roundabout way, their Ukrainian brothers?

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Barbarossa, @Rich, @PedroAstra

    You’ve obviously never served in the military, Phil, nothing takes 48 hours, ever. The defeat of Poland in 1939, attacked on the West by the Germans and in the East by the Soviets took 35 days. How in Heaven’s name would the invasion of Ukraine take less? Desert Storm took 6 months. I’d expect the Ukrainians to fight better than 3rd world Iraqis.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Rich

    Putin or come to that Shoigu and Gerasimov never served in the military either. An actual soldier, popular with the army that close to the top just might be dangerous.

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    Replies: @Rich, @A123, @Pharmakon, @sher singh

  50. @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation........ which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times - listed writer, Anatoly Karlin..... and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM - but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    Shock and disbelief.

    • LOL: sudden death
    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @Yevardian

    And on the sixth day, God created man :

    https://yandex.ru/images/touch/search?text=%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD&source=tabbar&pos=6&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chitaitext.ru%2Fupload%2Fmedialibrary%2Fc69%2F2507-05.jpg&rpt=simage

    , @Gerard1234
    @Yevardian


    Shock and disbelief
     
    And on the sixth day, God created man :

    https://yandex.ru/images/touch/search?text=%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BD&source=tabbar&pos=6&img_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chitaitext.ru%2Fupload%2Fmedialibrary%2Fc69%2F2507-05.jpg&rpt=simage
  51. @German_reader
    Is Russia really bringing mercenaries from the Central African Republic to Ukraine (that is actual black Africans), or are these Russian guys from the Wagner company who had been contracted by the CAR government?
    Ultimately it's only a minor issue, but would still be interesting to see this clarified.

    Replies: @songbird

    Can’t verify anything, but phrase I heard was “train-and-equip program” which strongly suggests Africans. I’ve heard they get about \$6/day to fight in Africa. Perhaps, they have white noncoms in charge of the units? Would be an interesting addition to Thomas Friedman’s “the world is flat” idea, if everyone started using African mercs, due to the population explosion in Africa.

    I was surprised to learn recently that the Brits still seem to employ Gurkhas. (originally, they were mercenaries, as they had no economic prospects in the hilly area that they came from, so I think all these calls for justice are a little weird – they probably would have starved to death, without being able to join up). But even that tradition has become woke, as many seem to be given settlement rights in the UK, and they are recruiting Gurkha women. LOL. (Are the women of a martial race fiercer?) I wonder what the going rate for a Gurkha is on the global market, now.

    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks. (But perhaps it is higher?) History of American black units that they had no discipline and tended to cut and run. But, maybe, the Chechens are different, as a “martial race.”

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @songbird


    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks
     
    .

    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens reached very high positions (many of whom later went on to play major roles within the Chechen independence movement) within the USSR, and as far as I know, affirmative action was not practiced outside of the ethnic republics themselves.

    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value. The ancients everywhere generally understood the importance of heredity aptitudes without basing their entire worldview around it.

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird

  52. @Mr. Hack
    My dissatisfaction with Karlin's draconian new censorship policies, that I posted within a comment in reply to AaronB's comment, was deleted (what else, taking into account Karlin's paranoia) at his most recent thread #180. Looks like this stupid war has taken one more casualty, the former Libertarian known as Anatoly Karlin. RIP. Vichna Pamiat.

    Replies: @AaronB, @Mikhail

    Shifting gears a bit, out of curiosity do you believe this doctor to be one sick bastard?

    I’m not into censorship which has increased in the US, as it has in Russia and within Kiev regime confines.

    Media/political advocacy require a think skin. Not as much action at these threads – but note the shots dished out and returned:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/23022022-motivating-factors-behind-russias-recent-independence-recognition-oped/#comments

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/28022022-russia-ukraine-coverage-update-what-western-mass-media-downplays-oped/#comments

    For others not having heard, these are pretty good segments:

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/michael-averko-independent-foreign-policy-analyst-and-media-critic-3-3-22/

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/michael-averko-2-9-22/

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/mark-averko-1-11-22/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    I don't know? Perhaps, he's right. I'm giving up on all imported Russian products. I hope that we curtail Russian oil and gas too. Why feed Putin's war efforts? Do you still feel that these war efforts are productive and needed, or would Russia be better off by curtailing its war actions within Ukraine?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

  53. @Barbarossa
    @Philip Owen

    Really, the Russian military doesn't even have good wool socks? That would be shocking to me.

    Personally I don't wear any socks other than wool and I buy Russian wool goods on eBay from time to time. Valenkis with leather lowers make great slip on winter boots, for example. One would think that the folks who came up with Valenkis could at least pull off good winter socks for their troops.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    I’m really pissed of that in recent years, it’s not as easy to get socks in the US which are at least 75% cotton.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  54. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    Ukraine does not have actual elections you despicable retard. Didn't shithole Lithuania have effectively an unconstitutional coup, with the (sane) President replaced by some USAID Nazi excrement?

    Anyway, you do realise, idiot, that Operation Z, as beautiful as it is, would never have happened without Lukashenko's assistance......and he only allowed assistance via Belarus border, because Belarus flights and airlines were banned by Gayropa a year before.

    Why? Because dying, alcoholic, suicide retard Litva staged a false flag provocation making a flight carrying a Belarus dissident liberast cretin on a plane from Athens to Vilnius, get diverted to land in Minsk where he was immediately arrested.
    Absolutely zero logical explanation for Vilnius ATC actions, transcripts for them or Pilot or ANY statement by the pilot in public after.

    Replies: @sudden death

    haha, nothing better to see in the morning than neverending lamentations about impeached RF puppet who also happens to be wife beater alcholic, lol

    • Replies: @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    American prostitute dickhead from Stalingrad ( "Vilnius" is not the name now for that average city. I have renamed it after the man who, generously, gave it to Lithuanian prostitutes)........ will you answer my point?

    Because your worthless POS country, with the capital city of Stalingrad, staged a false flag that lead to closing of EU flights to Belarus, restrictions on Belavia and other sanctions........ Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn't have happened.

    I realise you have no free media in Lithuania and too many dumb, suicidal and alcoholic imbeciles to question the unexplained actions of Stalingrad ATC, transcripts or ANY interest in what the pilots had to say....... but this is quite an important issue for a population like yours to be willfully retarded on.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death

  55. @songbird
    @German_reader

    Can't verify anything, but phrase I heard was "train-and-equip program" which strongly suggests Africans. I've heard they get about $6/day to fight in Africa. Perhaps, they have white noncoms in charge of the units? Would be an interesting addition to Thomas Friedman's "the world is flat" idea, if everyone started using African mercs, due to the population explosion in Africa.

    I was surprised to learn recently that the Brits still seem to employ Gurkhas. (originally, they were mercenaries, as they had no economic prospects in the hilly area that they came from, so I think all these calls for justice are a little weird - they probably would have starved to death, without being able to join up). But even that tradition has become woke, as many seem to be given settlement rights in the UK, and they are recruiting Gurkha women. LOL. (Are the women of a martial race fiercer?) I wonder what the going rate for a Gurkha is on the global market, now.

    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks. (But perhaps it is higher?) History of American black units that they had no discipline and tended to cut and run. But, maybe, the Chechens are different, as a "martial race."

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks

    .

    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens reached very high positions (many of whom later went on to play major roles within the Chechen independence movement) within the USSR, and as far as I know, affirmative action was not practiced outside of the ethnic republics themselves.

    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value. The ancients everywhere generally understood the importance of heredity aptitudes without basing their entire worldview around it.

    • Replies: @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value.
     
    Outside of the developed world, IQ scores are a void of uncertainty. Not only because of the various environmental depressors (malnutrition, poor schooling, disease load, severe poverty etc), which Western HBD nerds seem to be blissfully unaware of, but also because of unreliable testing (Lynn "calculated" Armenia's score by taking the midpoint of Turkey and Russia's score. lol). Does anyone seriously believe Persians, the people who gave us Rumi, Khayyam, Khwarazm, Avicenna, Hafiz etc. have a lower IQ than American blacks?

    I agree only a drooling rightoid like songbird would think so (maybe his IQ is lower than blacks).


    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens
     
    Karlin wrote a post on IQ scores in Russia (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-russia-iq-2/).

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/map-russia-iq.png

    Can't speak Russian, but if i'm reading the map right, Chechnya scored 93.2 (or is it 89.7?). No region scored less than American blacks.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @songbird
    @Yevardian

    The few Chechens that have come to America don't seem like an impressive lot. Of course, I'm talking about the Tsarnaevs (more than just the brothers), but undoubtedly there's selection bias in picking from the same family.

    If we look at Chechnya, they have a lot of stone towers, which seem to have no equivalent in large parts of Africa. Perhaps, except around Ethiopia. And personally I have always doubted the native genesis of Great Zimbabwe (IMO, probably the Portuguese helped create it, and then forgot about it. Maybe, there was a record of it, lost in the Lisbon earthquake), and there is something really weird and pathetic, IMO, in the fact that they named their country after it.

    Not to mention, Chechnya is a very remote place, with bad roads, so I think that their IQ would be lowballed due to lack of development.

    But it is interesting to consider whether there is some factor other than IQ that affects fighting ability. For example, perhaps, American blacks are descended from people who surrendered or broke and fled in Africa.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Wokechoke

  56. @Yahya
    @Dmitry


    Lol thanks I think Ron Unz is moderating us well by himself, to an extent we need any moderation. I cannot be a moderator or host,
     
    The “moderate” suggestion was just a minor addition (Unz mentioned in the OP he’d like the place to be “lightly moderated”, so I thought I’d add that in there. But it’s not important.)

    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP. It would also lift the burden for Mr. Unz, who has to regularly check the no. of comments and come back here to start new threads every time comments reach a certain limit.


    Seriously though, German Reader seems like he has a liberal attitude to the internet and wouldn’t censor people of our community, as well as the fact he is actually reading interesting books.
     
    Agree. German Reader is very knowledgeable and would be an excellent host imo (though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post).

    Replies: @German_reader, @sudden death

    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP

    imho, all this hassle is not needed at all, the main value here is freewheeling banter in a very convenient format and options created and sponsored by Mr. Unz. If anybody feelz needz for more “content” he can apply to the master of this site and become a valuable writer and sorter himself in his own new corner.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  57. @Philip Owen
    @Coconuts

    Exactly my point. The Orthodoxy is fake. There is no Christian virtue in them.

    Replies: @Spisarevski

    What do you even know about Orthodox Christianity?

    Hint: it’s not about being a gay nigger as you probably imagine.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Thanks: Pharmakon
  58. Free speech is good and I commend Ron Unz, but on the other hand I also understand Anatoly – it’s really tiresome reading Ukrainians on the internet. Or pro-EU/NATO Nazis – the most pathetic existence I can imagine.

    If they refuse to self-moderate, they should be compelled to curb their retardation via military-technical means.

    The moderation of Ukraine will be completed soon.

    But as unfortunately most of the Ukrainian commenters here post from the US all day instead of doing anything productive, I think surgical nuclear strikes on known locations of Ukrainian posters in the continental United States are in order.

    • Agree: Gerard1234
    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Spisarevski

    Using your own logic, it seems that moderation of various miloseviches was not done thoroughly enough though and NATO moderators were too lenient so far ;)

  59. @Spisarevski
    Free speech is good and I commend Ron Unz, but on the other hand I also understand Anatoly - it's really tiresome reading Ukrainians on the internet. Or pro-EU/NATO Nazis - the most pathetic existence I can imagine.

    If they refuse to self-moderate, they should be compelled to curb their retardation via military-technical means.

    The moderation of Ukraine will be completed soon.

    But as unfortunately most of the Ukrainian commenters here post from the US all day instead of doing anything productive, I think surgical nuclear strikes on known locations of Ukrainian posters in the continental United States are in order.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Using your own logic, it seems that moderation of various miloseviches was not done thoroughly enough though and NATO moderators were too lenient so far 😉

  60. Great news:

    On Thursday, South Korean President-elect Yoon Suk Yeol vowed to take a firmer stance on North Korea and rebuild Seoul’s military alliance with Washington.

    South Koreans went to the polls and elected Yoon on Wednesday, and he will take office in May. During his campaign, Yoon accused outgoing President Moon Jae-in, a strong proponent of peaceful reunification with North Korea, of being “submissive” to Pyongyang and Beijing.

    As the US has become more focused on countering China, Washington is looking to Seoul to help. Yoon is expected to take a harder line on China and signaled that he was ready to be involved in the US’s efforts to strengthen alliances in the region as part of its strategy against Beijing.

    “I’ll rebuild the South Korea-US alliance. I’ll [make] it a strategic comprehensive alliance while sharing key values like liberal democracy, a market economy, and human rights,” Yoon said at a press conference.

    “I’ll establish a strong military capacity to completely deter any provocation,” Yoon said. “I’ll firmly deal with illicit, unreasonable behavior by North Korea in a principled manner, though I’ll always leave open the door for South-North talks.”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/south-korea-elects-conservative-anti-north-hawk-president

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @sudden death

    Fake libertarian.

    Replies: @sudden death

  61. @Wielgus
    @AP

    I suspect any genuine enthusiasts for the Ukrainians would have left with same. The old lady referred to the Ukrainians as grabiteli (looters). The others seemed more preoccupied with the problems of daily life. The older guy who did not like Americans was probably aware that America loves Zelensky.
    Over on the other side of the hill, I doubt whether people are going to directly contradict Zelensky or Yarosh either, whatever their true feelings. Hell, even one negotiator of theirs did not live to tell the tale...
    As to mail order brides, my experience of BBC workers in Britain is that the most typical vice is alcoholism but I am sure there are others...

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    Weren’t they gypsies in that building? Didn’t someone tell him about Roma there or something?

    The younger man around the fire wasn’t too enthusiastic about LDNR, saying “We’ll see”. I suppose when they’ve been through so much and seen so much corruption and so many betrayals from all the people there they can’t really work up too much enthusiasm. The potential is there for things to get better with the Russians, with the UkroNazis not so much.

    Patrick seems to have a Russian translator with him who sometimes corrects his pronunciation. I wonder if it would be better to let the translator ask the questions and then just comment in English himself.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @Commentator Mike

    I would need to watch it again. Artyom, the youngish rather dark guy, looked to me like he might be an Armenian.

  62. @German_reader
    @Yahya


    The main benefit of a new host would be adding some substance to a now-empty OP.
     
    No idea how it could be implemented, but maybe there could be a scheme where regular commenters (who are therefore known to the community and have been "vetted" in a way) could submit some longer piece (e.g. book reviews or the like) as content for discussion. Maybe a regular spot for that every one or two weeks?
    I doubt any commenter will be willing to take on full duties of a host though...quality blogging (and moderation) is hard work after all.

    though he’s developed a curios habit of contradicting my every post
     
    Don't take it personally, I've contradicted lots of commenters recently.
    And thanks, but I don't have time for being a host, and I don't think I'd be psychologically suited either.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    e.g. book reviews or the like

    Speaking of book reviews, have you read Geboren in Moskau: Erinnerungen eines baltendeutschen Diplomaten 1912-1955 by Erich Franz Sommer?

    https://books.google.pt/books/about/Geboren_in_Moskau.html?id=BvPiAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

    If you haven’t I strongly recommend it — the number of interesting (and famous) people he encountered is absolutely amazing. And his life as well — first memories being of disturbances in Moscow during the Russian Revolution, to being the German diplomat who phoned up the Russian Embassy in Berlin on 22 June 1941 to invite them to receive to receive Ribbentrop’s Memorandum), to being sentenced to 25 years hard labor in a Soviet camp north of the Arctic Circle.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @for-the-record

    I haven't read it, but thanks for the recommendation, sounds very interesting.

    Replies: @for-the-record

  63. @AP
    @Wielgus

    His Russian is terrible. And he asks leading questions.

    TBH, he looks like the kind of American who tries to get mail order brides.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Levtraro

    His evident bias is the least relevant fact. What matters is that he is in the war zone, a brave journalist, giving us the views from people there. Your comment on the other hand weigh less than a bag of popcorn, TBH.

  64. It looks like most of the Ukrainian cities will be reduced to ruins. The UkroNazis from the Galicia region have been pumping troops and weapons into the south and east, and still are, presumably thinking that it’s better to fight the Russians in Mariupol, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev, etc. than in Lvov. Well I hope this evil policy to reduce the Russian dominated cities to rubble will come back to them and that their beloved Lvov will also be ruined. Reap as you sow and all that.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Commentator Mike

    You are either misinformed or most likely just paid or even working for free RF troll, as the most fiercely fighting regiments right now are nothing but Russian speaking Ukrainians from those cities in south, east and center who are defending their own homeland from invaders.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  65. @Commentator Mike
    It looks like most of the Ukrainian cities will be reduced to ruins. The UkroNazis from the Galicia region have been pumping troops and weapons into the south and east, and still are, presumably thinking that it's better to fight the Russians in Mariupol, Odessa, Kharkov, Kiev, etc. than in Lvov. Well I hope this evil policy to reduce the Russian dominated cities to rubble will come back to them and that their beloved Lvov will also be ruined. Reap as you sow and all that.

    Replies: @sudden death

    You are either misinformed or most likely just paid or even working for free RF troll, as the most fiercely fighting regiments right now are nothing but Russian speaking Ukrainians from those cities in south, east and center who are defending their own homeland from invaders.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    LOL, you're a Nazi, Nazi scum! I hope the deNazification programme catches up with you too, like those in UkroNazistan.

    Replies: @sudden death

  66. @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    ENOUGH.

    This is wartime, this means wartime blogging moderation........ which means there must be a wartime alliance between you, the New York Times - listed writer, Anatoly Karlin..... and myself.

    I have been too busy, or engaged on ru.net to participate on your blog/SM - but very impressed with your Operation Z performance.

    Now, of course you know my opinions and facts about you, but this is all irrelevant now. Think of this as alliance between Putin and Akhmad Kadyrov ( I am designated as Putin in this dynamic)

    I will refer to you as Master from now onwards.

    Alliance?

    # ISTANDWITHTOLYA (New-York/Jew-york Times listed bestselling author)

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Anatoly Karlin

    I accept the olive branch and must acknowledge that I was incorrect to repress you so, despite your penchant for uncouthness, I now see that it was driven by an underlying moral clarity that shines like the Sun at a time now when it matters.

    As regards Yevardian’s suggestion below, I would be honored and privileged to have Gerard take over the running of the Russian Reaction blog if he would be so interested.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Thanks: Gerard1234
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    How touching, Karlin passing the baton to his erstwhile protege Geraldina. "Birds of a feather flock together".

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/[email protected]_V1_.jpg

    Geraldina, now not only the intellectual heir of the Karlin legacy, but the spiritual one as well! :-)

    , @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Master,

    Much appreciated and many, many thanks!

    If Vitaly Milonov is not available, then I would choose Dmitry as a perfect candidate to take over the blog, ahead of myself. Individual comments he makes way down the page here are easily worthy of being a blog post, he's even more mild-mannered and polite on here than I am to all the commentators, more prolific and with good knowledge. Unclear his patriot-level, but even "neutral" level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.

    Thanks for the offer though

    Replies: @sher singh

  67. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    2. The cosmist movement was obliterated totally by the commies. Except one guy whose name escapes me. One of the biggest Russian rocket scientists before they got German technology after 1945 began his career as a prominent cosmist. He turned over a new leaf when he got the big job in rockets.

    3. Cosmism is arcane. Think Hegel, Heidegger. If K knows more about it than they had a great name I would be surprised.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird, @Bill, @Philip Owen

    You’re both clueless.

  68. @Yevardian
    @songbird


    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks
     
    .

    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens reached very high positions (many of whom later went on to play major roles within the Chechen independence movement) within the USSR, and as far as I know, affirmative action was not practiced outside of the ethnic republics themselves.

    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value. The ancients everywhere generally understood the importance of heredity aptitudes without basing their entire worldview around it.

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird

    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value.

    Outside of the developed world, IQ scores are a void of uncertainty. Not only because of the various environmental depressors (malnutrition, poor schooling, disease load, severe poverty etc), which Western HBD nerds seem to be blissfully unaware of, but also because of unreliable testing (Lynn “calculated” Armenia’s score by taking the midpoint of Turkey and Russia’s score. lol). Does anyone seriously believe Persians, the people who gave us Rumi, Khayyam, Khwarazm, Avicenna, Hafiz etc. have a lower IQ than American blacks?

    I agree only a drooling rightoid like songbird would think so (maybe his IQ is lower than blacks).

    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens

    Karlin wrote a post on IQ scores in Russia (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-russia-iq-2/).

    Can’t speak Russian, but if i’m reading the map right, Chechnya scored 93.2 (or is it 89.7?). No region scored less than American blacks.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yahya

    93,2 is Stavropol region, 89,7 is Dagestan, and if I'm not mistaken Chechnya is not calculated at all as it is just a grey zone next from left to Dagestan.

  69. According to an article in yesterday’s New York Times, Europe is
    purchasing about \$850 million worth of oil and gas A DAY from
    Russia. No wonder that Russians think they cannot lose this war.
    Moscow and SPB have not been reduced to rubble in the last
    300 years, the Russians won WW II, so I’m sure many Russians feel they
    are being personally protected by God, and hence as a nation they
    are invulnerable. Students interviewed in Moscow in answer
    to the question, “What are you going to do if you lose access
    to the Internet?” say, “Well, I guess we’ll go back ro reading books.”
    The problem is that due to their obscenely large territory and
    and a huge amount of natural resources, Russians have become
    lazy. They basically say, “What can they do to us?” but that’s
    a separate issue.

    As I posted here a couple of years ago, old souls like to be born
    in Slavic nations, esp. in Poland and Czechia, but old souls have
    collected so much experience on earth that they are essentially
    invulnerable. An outside observer is likely to say that they seem
    to function under divine protection. Hence, both the Russians
    and the Ukrainians should realize that they have nothing to fear
    from each other, and act accordingly. This war is completely
    unnecessary.

    By the way, that’s why Poland has always attracted so many
    refugees. Poland was unaffected by the Black Death ca.1350.
    It was at peace during the Religious Wars in the 16th-17 centuries,
    and attracted thousands of Jewish, Italian, and Scottish refugees. Even
    during the Swedish Deluge in the 1650s it was protected
    from the ultimate defeat by the intervention of Our Lady of the
    Bright Mount in Czestochowa, many Poles believe. In the days
    leading to the French Revolution, hundreds of noble French
    families escaped from France, and sought refuge in Poland.
    Today it’s the same story, Poland has offered refuge to at least
    1.5 million Ukrainian refugees (in addition to the 1.5 million
    Ukrainians already in Poland). People seem to sense that,
    despite its lack of natural borders, Poland appears to be
    surrounded by a divine wall of White Light.

    • Replies: @Anon 2
    @Anon 2

    Let me add that President Duda of Poland and President Zelensky of
    Ukraine converse on a daily basis, so at least this channel of communication
    is still open.

  70. @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    e.g. book reviews or the like

    Speaking of book reviews, have you read Geboren in Moskau: Erinnerungen eines baltendeutschen Diplomaten 1912-1955 by Erich Franz Sommer?

    https://books.google.pt/books/about/Geboren_in_Moskau.html?id=BvPiAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

    If you haven't I strongly recommend it -- the number of interesting (and famous) people he encountered is absolutely amazing. And his life as well -- first memories being of disturbances in Moscow during the Russian Revolution, to being the German diplomat who phoned up the Russian Embassy in Berlin on 22 June 1941 to invite them to receive to receive Ribbentrop's Memorandum), to being sentenced to 25 years hard labor in a Soviet camp north of the Arctic Circle.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I haven’t read it, but thanks for the recommendation, sounds very interesting.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @German_reader

    I haven’t read it, but thanks for the recommendation, sounds very interesting.

    I look forward to your forthcoming book review!

  71. @Yahya
    @Yevardian


    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value.
     
    Outside of the developed world, IQ scores are a void of uncertainty. Not only because of the various environmental depressors (malnutrition, poor schooling, disease load, severe poverty etc), which Western HBD nerds seem to be blissfully unaware of, but also because of unreliable testing (Lynn "calculated" Armenia's score by taking the midpoint of Turkey and Russia's score. lol). Does anyone seriously believe Persians, the people who gave us Rumi, Khayyam, Khwarazm, Avicenna, Hafiz etc. have a lower IQ than American blacks?

    I agree only a drooling rightoid like songbird would think so (maybe his IQ is lower than blacks).


    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens
     
    Karlin wrote a post on IQ scores in Russia (https://www.unz.com/akarlin/map-russia-iq-2/).

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/map-russia-iq.png

    Can't speak Russian, but if i'm reading the map right, Chechnya scored 93.2 (or is it 89.7?). No region scored less than American blacks.

    Replies: @sudden death

    93,2 is Stavropol region, 89,7 is Dagestan, and if I’m not mistaken Chechnya is not calculated at all as it is just a grey zone next from left to Dagestan.

  72. @Anon 2
    According to an article in yesterday’s New York Times, Europe is
    purchasing about $850 million worth of oil and gas A DAY from
    Russia. No wonder that Russians think they cannot lose this war.
    Moscow and SPB have not been reduced to rubble in the last
    300 years, the Russians won WW II, so I’m sure many Russians feel they
    are being personally protected by God, and hence as a nation they
    are invulnerable. Students interviewed in Moscow in answer
    to the question, “What are you going to do if you lose access
    to the Internet?” say, “Well, I guess we’ll go back ro reading books.”
    The problem is that due to their obscenely large territory and
    and a huge amount of natural resources, Russians have become
    lazy. They basically say, “What can they do to us?” but that’s
    a separate issue.

    As I posted here a couple of years ago, old souls like to be born
    in Slavic nations, esp. in Poland and Czechia, but old souls have
    collected so much experience on earth that they are essentially
    invulnerable. An outside observer is likely to say that they seem
    to function under divine protection. Hence, both the Russians
    and the Ukrainians should realize that they have nothing to fear
    from each other, and act accordingly. This war is completely
    unnecessary.

    By the way, that’s why Poland has always attracted so many
    refugees. Poland was unaffected by the Black Death ca.1350.
    It was at peace during the Religious Wars in the 16th-17 centuries,
    and attracted thousands of Jewish, Italian, and Scottish refugees. Even
    during the Swedish Deluge in the 1650s it was protected
    from the ultimate defeat by the intervention of Our Lady of the
    Bright Mount in Czestochowa, many Poles believe. In the days
    leading to the French Revolution, hundreds of noble French
    families escaped from France, and sought refuge in Poland.
    Today it’s the same story, Poland has offered refuge to at least
    1.5 million Ukrainian refugees (in addition to the 1.5 million
    Ukrainians already in Poland). People seem to sense that,
    despite its lack of natural borders, Poland appears to be
    surrounded by a divine wall of White Light.

    Replies: @Anon 2

    Let me add that President Duda of Poland and President Zelensky of
    Ukraine converse on a daily basis, so at least this channel of communication
    is still open.

  73. Since Dan C. is MIA (Russian foreign legion?), I wish to offer a defense of AK. This is not a defense of the invasion of Ukraine. Over the years, mostly from reading this blog, and following the trail from those comments to somewhat reliable information, I have formed the opinion that Ukrainians are “entitled” to their own country. But then so are hundreds of other “peoples”. (Perhaps like the people in Donbass.) More to the point, it is not my job (nor should it be my country’s) to help each and every one of them attain their nationalist goals. It is also not my job, nor my country’s job, to defend countries, nascent or otherwise, that foolishly provoke a powerful neighboring nation.

    With that note out of the way, it is obvious that AK is now a fully committed Russian partisan. Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @iffen


    Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.
     
    imo a lot of Karlin's recent statements are verging on caricature, like a recycling of the dumbest talking points of early 20th century nationalists. Sure, it's possible Russia will succeed in her current enterprise, maybe everything will work out to Karlin's satisfaction and lead to a glorious rebirth of the Russian empire. But still..."national rejuvenation through war", lol, what could possibly go wrong with such an approach, not like it's ever been tried before. I don't think one has to categorically reject nationalism in its entirety to be irritated by this kind of all-or-nothing risk-taking (and its implication that Russia is worthless if the present war doesn't lead to a glorious future).
    Also comes across as really in poor taste that Karlin writes these things while apparently still living his comfortable bourgeois hipster life (in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price, which caused the entirely legitimate question by an East Asian commenter "Why don't you volunteer and go fight yourself?").
    And finally, his writing has also gotten really boring (apart from his grandiose pronouncements, which are oscillating somewhere between creepy and unintentionally hilarious). If you've reached the pedestrian level of "Russia is fighting Nazi terrorists in Ukraine", you're not really saying anything original or worth listening to anymore.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver, @iffen

  74. @Commentator Mike
    @Wielgus

    Weren't they gypsies in that building? Didn't someone tell him about Roma there or something?

    The younger man around the fire wasn't too enthusiastic about LDNR, saying "We'll see". I suppose when they've been through so much and seen so much corruption and so many betrayals from all the people there they can't really work up too much enthusiasm. The potential is there for things to get better with the Russians, with the UkroNazis not so much.

    Patrick seems to have a Russian translator with him who sometimes corrects his pronunciation. I wonder if it would be better to let the translator ask the questions and then just comment in English himself.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    I would need to watch it again. Artyom, the youngish rather dark guy, looked to me like he might be an Armenian.

  75. @sudden death
    @Commentator Mike

    You are either misinformed or most likely just paid or even working for free RF troll, as the most fiercely fighting regiments right now are nothing but Russian speaking Ukrainians from those cities in south, east and center who are defending their own homeland from invaders.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    LOL, you’re a Nazi, Nazi scum! I hope the deNazification programme catches up with you too, like those in UkroNazistan.

    • Agree: Pharmakon
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Commentator Mike

    Such hysteria may indicate that quite right spot was targeted in my previous post, so it is not even worth bothering to look at your other poastings in order to confirm it.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  76. With the Iranian retaliation against that CIA/Mossad base in Erbil, sorry I mean consulate, and the other missile attack on the, definitely not NATO, training base in Western Ukraine this must be the bloodiest day for the empire for a long time, perhaps since Vietnam.

  77. https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
    This site has a series of pictures in an article headed “Aryans of the 81st Brigade of the AFU” according to the site, taken in Izyum, most of which is under Russian control though Ukrainian troops are still present in the south of the town. The photos show Nazi regalia as well as a sort of comic book in Ukrainian promoting NATO. One picture seems to say “More security with NATO”. (I have never studied Ukrainian but can often understand it at least in written form by drawing on Russian and Polish.)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wielgus

    It may be well as truth, but those post factum photos can be also arranged just for RF propaganda purposes, it is too early too know it for sure. Way more reliable evidence would be the pictures/video taken by UA soldiers themselves before leaving the place, instead of puting some Right sector card or Nazi flag in empty quarters.

    Replies: @Wielgus

  78. @German_reader
    @for-the-record

    I haven't read it, but thanks for the recommendation, sounds very interesting.

    Replies: @for-the-record

    I haven’t read it, but thanks for the recommendation, sounds very interesting.

    I look forward to your forthcoming book review!

  79. German_reader says:
    @iffen
    Since Dan C. is MIA (Russian foreign legion?), I wish to offer a defense of AK. This is not a defense of the invasion of Ukraine. Over the years, mostly from reading this blog, and following the trail from those comments to somewhat reliable information, I have formed the opinion that Ukrainians are "entitled" to their own country. But then so are hundreds of other "peoples". (Perhaps like the people in Donbass.) More to the point, it is not my job (nor should it be my country's) to help each and every one of them attain their nationalist goals. It is also not my job, nor my country's job, to defend countries, nascent or otherwise, that foolishly provoke a powerful neighboring nation.

    With that note out of the way, it is obvious that AK is now a fully committed Russian partisan. Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.

    imo a lot of Karlin’s recent statements are verging on caricature, like a recycling of the dumbest talking points of early 20th century nationalists. Sure, it’s possible Russia will succeed in her current enterprise, maybe everything will work out to Karlin’s satisfaction and lead to a glorious rebirth of the Russian empire. But still…”national rejuvenation through war”, lol, what could possibly go wrong with such an approach, not like it’s ever been tried before. I don’t think one has to categorically reject nationalism in its entirety to be irritated by this kind of all-or-nothing risk-taking (and its implication that Russia is worthless if the present war doesn’t lead to a glorious future).
    Also comes across as really in poor taste that Karlin writes these things while apparently still living his comfortable bourgeois hipster life (in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price, which caused the entirely legitimate question by an East Asian commenter “Why don’t you volunteer and go fight yourself?”).
    And finally, his writing has also gotten really boring (apart from his grandiose pronouncements, which are oscillating somewhere between creepy and unintentionally hilarious). If you’ve reached the pedestrian level of “Russia is fighting Nazi terrorists in Ukraine”, you’re not really saying anything original or worth listening to anymore.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    It's not a legitimate question, it's a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don't you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It's also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen, @German_reader, @Jim Christian, @AKAHorace, @Philip Owen

    , @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price
     
    I wonder what he would consider too high a price. 200,000? 500,000? A million? Five million? All of these are plausible. Not just because they seem a trifle when measured against "eternal glory", but because the very inertia of justifying one death toll increment leads to justifying the next one. Once you're investing in justifying why X number of dead so far has been "worth it," it's very hard to then quit and argue that no more deaths are worth it.

    Replies: @sher singh

    , @iffen
    @German_reader

    I didn't say anything about him being an outstanding example of a virtuous nationalist. I just mean that he has the right, just as you have the right to take the side of Ukraine.

    And I have already posted that we Americans will owe an eternal debt to Ukrainians if this war does in fact force rich European countries to start investing in their own military and defense.

  80. Unpleasant awakening at the Yavorovsky training ground

    March 13, (2022) 12:06

    colonelcassad.livejournal.com – Russian source in Yandex translation, edited

    As a result of the arrival of the “Calibres” by flight at the Yavorovsky training ground (where the United States and its satellites trained the Ukrainian military for war with Russia), according to official Ukrainian statements (which of course are not particularly trustworthy), 9 soldiers were killed and 57 wounded, including foreign instructors.
    In total, according to the statement of the Lviv Regional State Administration, 8 missiles arrived at the test site.
    The consequences of such arrivals can be viewed for example here https://t.me/boris_rozhin/31838
    After the arrivals, the standard hysteria began with the demand to introduce a no-fly zone and de facto start a nuclear war with Russia.

    In addition, in the morning there were reports that the troops advancing from the south had already come close to Ugledar, and the group operating in the Izyum area seemed to have already advanced in the direction of Barvenkovo. There should be details on this direction during the day.

    Broadcast as usual in Telegram – https://t.me/boris_rozhin

  81. @German_reader
    @iffen


    Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.
     
    imo a lot of Karlin's recent statements are verging on caricature, like a recycling of the dumbest talking points of early 20th century nationalists. Sure, it's possible Russia will succeed in her current enterprise, maybe everything will work out to Karlin's satisfaction and lead to a glorious rebirth of the Russian empire. But still..."national rejuvenation through war", lol, what could possibly go wrong with such an approach, not like it's ever been tried before. I don't think one has to categorically reject nationalism in its entirety to be irritated by this kind of all-or-nothing risk-taking (and its implication that Russia is worthless if the present war doesn't lead to a glorious future).
    Also comes across as really in poor taste that Karlin writes these things while apparently still living his comfortable bourgeois hipster life (in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price, which caused the entirely legitimate question by an East Asian commenter "Why don't you volunteer and go fight yourself?").
    And finally, his writing has also gotten really boring (apart from his grandiose pronouncements, which are oscillating somewhere between creepy and unintentionally hilarious). If you've reached the pedestrian level of "Russia is fighting Nazi terrorists in Ukraine", you're not really saying anything original or worth listening to anymore.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver, @iffen

    It’s not a legitimate question, it’s a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don’t you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And we're to believe your fairy tales that the Russians never bombed anything within Donbas?

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Let me put that right "When the Ukrainians were counter bombarding the occupying mercenaries using civilian shields. A necessary tactic to maintain Russian control of the population."

    , @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.
     
    I'm not a pacifist, but imo this is mostly propaganda. Number of civilian deaths in Donbass has declined strongly in recent years, and even if one thinks Russia needed to act against possible Ukrainian designs for reconquest and incorporate Donbass, the current operation seems over the top. The maximalist aims you're advocating (annexing most of Ukraine) certainly are.

    The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.
     
    That kind of sentiment is absurdly at odds with the militant stuff you've been posting about how the war will lead to national rejuvenation and joy. If it's such a great enterprise where people can transcend their bugman lives, the number of participants should be maximized.
    , @Jim Christian
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.
     
    Hey, Anatoly! Best point on the 'thread', or whatever this thing is now. No one was paying attention the past eight years in the Donbass. Those lives had no value? Indeed, where were the pacifists? There ARE no pacifists. Those are crocodile tears and shills picking at Russia's hide. Since they didn't give voice to the Donbass, I accord them no voice now.

    Lots of new voices around here picking at YOUR hide lately, Anatoly. Consider them fleas. I for one miss your insights and information and photography. Your voice counts especially because you've been over there. Be well, young man.
    , @AKAHorace
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Karlin,

    is this for real ? The timing seems a bit convenient and there is no snow, but perhaps they efficiently remove snow as well as dissidents.


    https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/tddlnc/two_words_moscov_2022/

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Since doing this Tweet I have found slightly more up to date figures (18 dead in 2021 was 7 months. The final figure was 25).

    https://twitter.com/PCOwen_a/status/1503900958367133697?s=20&t=zhJjDKwwFZ_8tP9by_A3KA

  82. @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    LOL, you're a Nazi, Nazi scum! I hope the deNazification programme catches up with you too, like those in UkroNazistan.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Such hysteria may indicate that quite right spot was targeted in my previous post, so it is not even worth bothering to look at your other poastings in order to confirm it.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    I was just trolling the troll - you.

    Replies: @LatW

  83. @Wielgus
    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/
    This site has a series of pictures in an article headed "Aryans of the 81st Brigade of the AFU" according to the site, taken in Izyum, most of which is under Russian control though Ukrainian troops are still present in the south of the town. The photos show Nazi regalia as well as a sort of comic book in Ukrainian promoting NATO. One picture seems to say "More security with NATO". (I have never studied Ukrainian but can often understand it at least in written form by drawing on Russian and Polish.)

    Replies: @sudden death

    It may be well as truth, but those post factum photos can be also arranged just for RF propaganda purposes, it is too early too know it for sure. Way more reliable evidence would be the pictures/video taken by UA soldiers themselves before leaving the place, instead of puting some Right sector card or Nazi flag in empty quarters.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @sudden death

    Not out of the question, as there have been many Ukrainian propaganda fakes and truth is the first casualty etc. Commemorating the Galician Waffen-SS is a matter of open state policy, though, so why wouldn't Ukrainian soldiers take Nazi flirtation a bit further? I found the NATO propaganda comic in Ukrainian most interesting of all, and least likely to be faked. Indeed Ukraine seems to be a NATO country in all but name although not having quite signed on the dotted line the West has some wriggle room not to support it to the utmost, so it probably won't.
    I was amused by the word BEZPEKA in the NATO comic. In Poland Bezpieka was the slang term for the security service there, 1945-1990.

  84. Ironic when the poster himself is advocating sending weapons to the Ukraine, the end result of which will be to only prolong the suffering, the only solution is for the Ukrainians to accept the generous peace offer.

  85. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Gerard1234

    I accept the olive branch and must acknowledge that I was incorrect to repress you so, despite your penchant for uncouthness, I now see that it was driven by an underlying moral clarity that shines like the Sun at a time now when it matters.

    As regards Yevardian's suggestion below, I would be honored and privileged to have Gerard take over the running of the Russian Reaction blog if he would be so interested.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    How touching, Karlin passing the baton to his erstwhile protege Geraldina. “Birds of a feather flock together”.

    [MORE]


    Geraldina, now not only the intellectual heir of the Karlin legacy, but the spiritual one as well! 🙂

    • Troll: Jim Christian
  86. @sudden death
    @Commentator Mike

    Such hysteria may indicate that quite right spot was targeted in my previous post, so it is not even worth bothering to look at your other poastings in order to confirm it.

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    I was just trolling the troll – you.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Commentator Mike

    I was just..
     

    If you ever feel like posting to @sudden death again, remember -- a golden nightingale is hovering at the tip of my spear.
  87. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    It's not a legitimate question, it's a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don't you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It's also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen, @German_reader, @Jim Christian, @AKAHorace, @Philip Owen

    And we’re to believe your fairy tales that the Russians never bombed anything within Donbas?

  88. @sudden death
    @Wielgus

    It may be well as truth, but those post factum photos can be also arranged just for RF propaganda purposes, it is too early too know it for sure. Way more reliable evidence would be the pictures/video taken by UA soldiers themselves before leaving the place, instead of puting some Right sector card or Nazi flag in empty quarters.

    Replies: @Wielgus

    Not out of the question, as there have been many Ukrainian propaganda fakes and truth is the first casualty etc. Commemorating the Galician Waffen-SS is a matter of open state policy, though, so why wouldn’t Ukrainian soldiers take Nazi flirtation a bit further? I found the NATO propaganda comic in Ukrainian most interesting of all, and least likely to be faked. Indeed Ukraine seems to be a NATO country in all but name although not having quite signed on the dotted line the West has some wriggle room not to support it to the utmost, so it probably won’t.
    I was amused by the word BEZPEKA in the NATO comic. In Poland Bezpieka was the slang term for the security service there, 1945-1990.

  89. @German_reader
    @iffen


    Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.
     
    imo a lot of Karlin's recent statements are verging on caricature, like a recycling of the dumbest talking points of early 20th century nationalists. Sure, it's possible Russia will succeed in her current enterprise, maybe everything will work out to Karlin's satisfaction and lead to a glorious rebirth of the Russian empire. But still..."national rejuvenation through war", lol, what could possibly go wrong with such an approach, not like it's ever been tried before. I don't think one has to categorically reject nationalism in its entirety to be irritated by this kind of all-or-nothing risk-taking (and its implication that Russia is worthless if the present war doesn't lead to a glorious future).
    Also comes across as really in poor taste that Karlin writes these things while apparently still living his comfortable bourgeois hipster life (in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price, which caused the entirely legitimate question by an East Asian commenter "Why don't you volunteer and go fight yourself?").
    And finally, his writing has also gotten really boring (apart from his grandiose pronouncements, which are oscillating somewhere between creepy and unintentionally hilarious). If you've reached the pedestrian level of "Russia is fighting Nazi terrorists in Ukraine", you're not really saying anything original or worth listening to anymore.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver, @iffen

    in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price

    I wonder what he would consider too high a price. 200,000? 500,000? A million? Five million? All of these are plausible. Not just because they seem a trifle when measured against “eternal glory”, but because the very inertia of justifying one death toll increment leads to justifying the next one. Once you’re investing in justifying why X number of dead so far has been “worth it,” it’s very hard to then quit and argue that no more deaths are worth it.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @silviosilver

    You're gay.

    I don't want to steal Anatoly's phrase but there really is nothing else for it.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1502372740241707014?s=20

  90. @Yevardian
    @songbird


    Been surprised by the Russians using Chechens, despite their higher TFR, as their IQ is estimated to be about the same as American blacks
     
    .

    I severely doubt it. A non-negligible number of Chechens reached very high positions (many of whom later went on to play major roles within the Chechen independence movement) within the USSR, and as far as I know, affirmative action was not practiced outside of the ethnic republics themselves.

    There is something to ethnic average average IQ scores, and of course the blank slatists represent a reverse idiocy, but only a drooling rightoid would take them all at face value. The ancients everywhere generally understood the importance of heredity aptitudes without basing their entire worldview around it.

    Replies: @Yahya, @songbird

    The few Chechens that have come to America don’t seem like an impressive lot. Of course, I’m talking about the Tsarnaevs (more than just the brothers), but undoubtedly there’s selection bias in picking from the same family.

    If we look at Chechnya, they have a lot of stone towers, which seem to have no equivalent in large parts of Africa. Perhaps, except around Ethiopia. And personally I have always doubted the native genesis of Great Zimbabwe (IMO, probably the Portuguese helped create it, and then forgot about it. Maybe, there was a record of it, lost in the Lisbon earthquake), and there is something really weird and pathetic, IMO, in the fact that they named their country after it.

    Not to mention, Chechnya is a very remote place, with bad roads, so I think that their IQ would be lowballed due to lack of development.

    But it is interesting to consider whether there is some factor other than IQ that affects fighting ability. For example, perhaps, American blacks are descended from people who surrendered or broke and fled in Africa.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    @songbird

    It seems to me having a huge IQ might disincline individuals to combat bravery, as they might be better able to calculate risk and imagine being killed or maimed. "You're not paid to think" is a bit of a mantra in the British Army even though it can lead to situations like a cavalry charge in the wrong direction and into Russian cannon on three sides in Crimea in 1854.

    , @Wokechoke
    @songbird

    I believe they stopped Manstein in Grozny. The Georgians generally had good mountain and ski infantry. The Chechens would have been split on the Germans when they came to the Caucasus. I think the Chechens who opposed Moscow were working with Fallshirmjager advisors and units.

  91. • Replies: @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    The same guy also writes about "150 #US officers of the Florida Army National Guard and dozens of #NATO officers were gearing the Ukrainian military to fight this war against #Russia, creating an underground control and command base" so according to his "info" it would be logical to think that hardly any substantial damage was made by RF strike if the base is really underground.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

  92. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Shifting gears a bit, out of curiosity do you believe this doctor to be one sick bastard?

    https://twitter.com/USSRTakes/status/1502856239516110856

    I'm not into censorship which has increased in the US, as it has in Russia and within Kiev regime confines.

    Media/political advocacy require a think skin. Not as much action at these threads - but note the shots dished out and returned:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/23022022-motivating-factors-behind-russias-recent-independence-recognition-oped/#comments

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/28022022-russia-ukraine-coverage-update-what-western-mass-media-downplays-oped/#comments

    For others not having heard, these are pretty good segments:

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/michael-averko-independent-foreign-policy-analyst-and-media-critic-3-3-22/

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/michael-averko-2-9-22/

    https://wabcradio.com/episode/mark-averko-1-11-22/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t know? Perhaps, he’s right. I’m giving up on all imported Russian products. I hope that we curtail Russian oil and gas too. Why feed Putin’s war efforts? Do you still feel that these war efforts are productive and needed, or would Russia be better off by curtailing its war actions within Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    BTW, when are you going to finally wake up and smell the coffee. Your whole life has been devoted towards improving the Russian/American relationship. Don't you realize that old man Putler has always made you job prohibitively more difficult? And yet you still seem to covet the Putin samovar polishing trophy year after year? Be careful, you're going to have some stiff competition this year, as Karlin is going way out of his way to keep the halo effect above Putin's head. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t know? Perhaps, he’s right. I’m giving up on all imported Russian products. I hope that we curtail Russian oil and gas too. Why feed Putin’s war efforts? Do you still feel that these war efforts are productive and needed, or would Russia be better off by curtailing its war actions within Ukraine?
     
    Ethically fucked up as he's a sick bastard.

    https://twitter.com/ArthurCaplan/status/1502704523965603840

    Circa several decades ago, when Arab-Israeli differences were at a higher point, imagine the outcry if a medical ethics doctor/professor said that Israelis shouldn't enjoy the benefits of advanced medical care on account of disproportionate Israeli government acts. One could hypothetically throw that at Americans, given the many citizens killed c/o US military action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    As has been documented (c/o of UN/OSCE inspectors), the Kiev regime has killed at least 10,000, while having displaced at least 1 million from the rebel held Donbass area over the past eight years. Western mass media is mute on this because that area isn't as close to central and western Europe, in conjunction with most of these victims going to Russia as opposed to the Kiev regime or EU countries.

    BTW, if I were a doctor and knew your views in advance, I'd nonetheless not hesitate to save your life.
  93. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    I don't know? Perhaps, he's right. I'm giving up on all imported Russian products. I hope that we curtail Russian oil and gas too. Why feed Putin's war efforts? Do you still feel that these war efforts are productive and needed, or would Russia be better off by curtailing its war actions within Ukraine?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    BTW, when are you going to finally wake up and smell the coffee. Your whole life has been devoted towards improving the Russian/American relationship. Don’t you realize that old man Putler has always made you job prohibitively more difficult? And yet you still seem to covet the Putin samovar polishing trophy year after year? Be careful, you’re going to have some stiff competition this year, as Karlin is going way out of his way to keep the halo effect above Putin’s head. 🙁

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    It's not just about him.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/11032022-what-russia-desires-oped/

    - Kiev regime carnage in Donbass (killing thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands)
    - Kiev regime interacting with Neo-Nazis
    - seven-year Kiev regime stonewalling of the UN approved Minsk Protocol, calling for a negotiated Donbass autonomy
    - the specter of NATO expansion in Ukraine compromising the security of Russia
    - leading up to the Russian military action in Ukraine, Western governments didn't sanction or threaten to sanction the Kiev regime, much unlike the hypocritical stance towards Russia.

    The Western establishment's moral hypocrisy on what happened thereafter notes the generally accepted rationale used for the atomic option on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end WW II. In more recent times, there's the disproportionate use of military force that has been utilized by the US and some non-Russian others.

    The human suffering in these instances haven't received anywhere near the same level of on the ground coverage when compared to the current situation in Ukraine. Some of this reporting might very well include misrepresentation, influenced by the possible distortion of pro-Kiev regime proponents.

  94. @songbird
    @Yevardian

    The few Chechens that have come to America don't seem like an impressive lot. Of course, I'm talking about the Tsarnaevs (more than just the brothers), but undoubtedly there's selection bias in picking from the same family.

    If we look at Chechnya, they have a lot of stone towers, which seem to have no equivalent in large parts of Africa. Perhaps, except around Ethiopia. And personally I have always doubted the native genesis of Great Zimbabwe (IMO, probably the Portuguese helped create it, and then forgot about it. Maybe, there was a record of it, lost in the Lisbon earthquake), and there is something really weird and pathetic, IMO, in the fact that they named their country after it.

    Not to mention, Chechnya is a very remote place, with bad roads, so I think that their IQ would be lowballed due to lack of development.

    But it is interesting to consider whether there is some factor other than IQ that affects fighting ability. For example, perhaps, American blacks are descended from people who surrendered or broke and fled in Africa.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Wokechoke

    It seems to me having a huge IQ might disincline individuals to combat bravery, as they might be better able to calculate risk and imagine being killed or maimed. “You’re not paid to think” is a bit of a mantra in the British Army even though it can lead to situations like a cavalry charge in the wrong direction and into Russian cannon on three sides in Crimea in 1854.

    • LOL: Levtraro
  95. @LondonBob
    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1503022650658103296?s=20&t=oyd5HZ2Th48l7eNKRDktCg

    Replies: @sudden death

    The same guy also writes about “150 #US officers of the Florida Army National Guard and dozens of #NATO officers were gearing the Ukrainian military to fight this war against #Russia, creating an underground control and command base” so according to his “info” it would be logical to think that hardly any substantial damage was made by RF strike if the base is really underground.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
    @sudden death

    The command bunker might be reinforced but most of the US and British logistics and signals guys will be pretty vulnerable on the first strike. Now? They will be dispersed and in bunkers.

  96. @Rich
    @Philip Owen

    You've obviously never served in the military, Phil, nothing takes 48 hours, ever. The defeat of Poland in 1939, attacked on the West by the Germans and in the East by the Soviets took 35 days. How in Heaven's name would the invasion of Ukraine take less? Desert Storm took 6 months. I'd expect the Ukrainians to fight better than 3rd world Iraqis.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Putin or come to that Shoigu and Gerasimov never served in the military either. An actual soldier, popular with the army that close to the top just might be dangerous.

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    • Replies: @Rich
    @Philip Owen

    Shoigu was a lieutenant in the Army reserves. Gerasimov attended military school and is a career military man. Putin, a career intelligence officer, also served as a lieutenant in an artillery unit. Military service was compulsory in Soviet Union.

    Biden was a college athlete who managed to dodge the draft by claiming he had asthma. Not sure how he was able to play college football with asthma. Harris obviously never served in the military. Blinken, the sec of state, is probably afraid of guns. Austin, sec of defense, is an affirmative action nitwit.

    , @A123
    @Philip Owen


    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.
     
    The official "Desert Storm" component of the Iraq War lasted 43 days. That offensive had total air superiority, optimum terrain, and a truly inferior enemy. Many Iraqi units took money to surrender or simply deserted.

    People keep placing ridiculously short time frames on Russia's current offensive. The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
    ____

    The best option is for Zelensky to cut a deal.

    At some point, Putin will decide Winning the War takes precedence over preserving infrastructure for the subsequent peace. The Russian military has the artillery to level cities without coming within range of partisan resistance fighters. The process will be much longer than "Desert Storm", probably 6 months or more. However, the outcome is not in doubt.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.
     
    How does power transition to the next leader when one person pulls all the strings? Term limits for the head of state can help, because it removes one of the key incentives for over centralizing power.

    The U.S. may have the same problem. The election loser was placed in office via a "color revolution", the Blue Coup. Of course, the Fake Stream Media will never call it that. After trashing the Constitution to elevate Not-The-President Biden, there may no longer be elections or term limits.
    _____

    State Owned Enterprises [SOE] pose another risk, especially military owned SOE's. Iran and China are doomed as the IRGC and PLA fund themselves via cash extraction from inefficient and corrupt business. They are effectively outside the Rule of Law as they wield the Law of the Gun.

    Russia is much better off than Iran and China. Military and SOE's are separate. However, there is substantial risk of a failed succession after Putin, especially if something happens suddenly.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AaronB

    , @Pharmakon
    @Philip Owen


    Gerasimov never served in the military either
     
    You're a retard but, I guess, this is to be expected of British inbreeds.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @sher singh
    @Philip Owen


    What just happened? Well, the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee, the de-jure highest power of the land, made by 205 members, has proposed a series of changes to China’s constitution. Amongst them are the abolition of term limits for the 主席 President and 副主席 Vicepresident.

    Previously, since 1982, there was a limit of two consecutive terms for both offices.
    What do the president and vice president of China do? The offices have no power. The constitutions, and any other law, give them no power. None at all. They are completely ceremonial.
     

    So what’s the point? That’s a good question. China has a weird double structure, where the party and state are distinct entities, but have completely mirror structures. For every province, city and county, there is a government, with its governors and mayors and vice governors and vice-mayors.

    And then there’s a Communist Party committee for the same province city or county, with a secretary general. The secretary general calls the shots. The mayor isn’t an entirely ceremonial office, but it is completely subservient to the secretary general of the local committee. There has been lots of calls for abolishing this nonsense and just unify the administration, but the system remains in place.
     

    The central government, the 国务院, has a “prime minister”, today Li Keqiang. That guy’s not ceremonial either, he wields substantial power. But for some reason, Deng Xiaoping in 1982 decided to put a President on top of the prime minister. I guess for diplomatic reasons. Foreigners don’t understand how Chinese politics work, not then and not now, so he wanted to make it easier to understand.
     

    The party has its party statutes. And no, no term limits. Same for the military commission. No term limits. So the only term limits are those for the Presidency, which is the fake office. Of course it’s prestigious and all; but it has no real power.
     

    Mao was not a dictator until 1966. And in order to become one he had to unleash the Cultural Revolution, where he physically killed every single enemy he had, and physically tortured about 90% of the party leadership. Mao did that precisely because he was not secure in his power.

    After 1959 he was removed from power due to, well, causing the starvation of tens of millions of people with the Great Leap Forward. He thought he would be purged and disgraced; and so he threw everything he had against the party. And he won. That’s what Mao did. Xi Jinping is in a completely different situation. He has comfortable complete power over all the country, and in an orderly and formal way. He has nothing to fear.

    As many of us now, it is not from secure power that bad government happens. It is due to insecure power, which leads the powerful to mess with society in order to secure it. That is what the Chinese historical tradition calls 乱, “disorder”. Mao’s time was a disorderly time. Xi Jinping’s time, you may like, or not like, but it is most certainly orderly.

    Now, a lot of people in China are kinda freaking out. Mostly liberal-ish college grads. If only because having a president for life does cut off some potential avenues for upward status mobility. And people hate that, of course, people want more status, more every day. If Xi is smart, he’ll open up the economy a bit, so that status-maximizers can put their energies in making money and not in selling their country to USG’s bioleninist outreach department. We’ll see.
     
    https://bioleninism.wordpress.com/2018/02/27/china-doesnt-care-about-your-opinion/
    Spandrell.

    You're de facto right I guess, Idk I don't care about China or Communism.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ
  97. Just aweful example of Russian proaganda:

    https://rumble.com/vxa1oq-russian-lmrs.html

    (mod delete previous)

  98. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    It's not a legitimate question, it's a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don't you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It's also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen, @German_reader, @Jim Christian, @AKAHorace, @Philip Owen

    Let me put that right “When the Ukrainians were counter bombarding the occupying mercenaries using civilian shields. A necessary tactic to maintain Russian control of the population.”

  99. @Philip Owen
    @Rich

    Putin or come to that Shoigu and Gerasimov never served in the military either. An actual soldier, popular with the army that close to the top just might be dangerous.

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    Replies: @Rich, @A123, @Pharmakon, @sher singh

    Shoigu was a lieutenant in the Army reserves. Gerasimov attended military school and is a career military man. Putin, a career intelligence officer, also served as a lieutenant in an artillery unit. Military service was compulsory in Soviet Union.

    Biden was a college athlete who managed to dodge the draft by claiming he had asthma. Not sure how he was able to play college football with asthma. Harris obviously never served in the military. Blinken, the sec of state, is probably afraid of guns. Austin, sec of defense, is an affirmative action nitwit.

    • Agree: Levtraro, Wielgus
  100. @silviosilver
    @German_reader


    in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price
     
    I wonder what he would consider too high a price. 200,000? 500,000? A million? Five million? All of these are plausible. Not just because they seem a trifle when measured against "eternal glory", but because the very inertia of justifying one death toll increment leads to justifying the next one. Once you're investing in justifying why X number of dead so far has been "worth it," it's very hard to then quit and argue that no more deaths are worth it.

    Replies: @sher singh

    You’re gay.

    I don’t want to steal Anatoly’s phrase but there really is nothing else for it.

  101. A123 says: • Website
    @Philip Owen
    @Rich

    Putin or come to that Shoigu and Gerasimov never served in the military either. An actual soldier, popular with the army that close to the top just might be dangerous.

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    Replies: @Rich, @A123, @Pharmakon, @sher singh

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    The official “Desert Storm” component of the Iraq War lasted 43 days. That offensive had total air superiority, optimum terrain, and a truly inferior enemy. Many Iraqi units took money to surrender or simply deserted.

    People keep placing ridiculously short time frames on Russia’s current offensive. The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
    ____

    The best option is for Zelensky to cut a deal.

    At some point, Putin will decide Winning the War takes precedence over preserving infrastructure for the subsequent peace. The Russian military has the artillery to level cities without coming within range of partisan resistance fighters. The process will be much longer than “Desert Storm”, probably 6 months or more. However, the outcome is not in doubt.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    How does power transition to the next leader when one person pulls all the strings? Term limits for the head of state can help, because it removes one of the key incentives for over centralizing power.

    The U.S. may have the same problem. The election loser was placed in office via a “color revolution”, the Blue Coup. Of course, the Fake Stream Media will never call it that. After trashing the Constitution to elevate Not-The-President Biden, there may no longer be elections or term limits.
    _____

    State Owned Enterprises [SOE] pose another risk, especially military owned SOE’s. Iran and China are doomed as the IRGC and PLA fund themselves via cash extraction from inefficient and corrupt business. They are effectively outside the Rule of Law as they wield the Law of the Gun.

    Russia is much better off than Iran and China. Military and SOE’s are separate. However, there is substantial risk of a failed succession after Putin, especially if something happens suddenly.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @A123


    The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
     
    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military, for what it's worth, according to him.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @A123

  102. @songbird
    @Yevardian

    The few Chechens that have come to America don't seem like an impressive lot. Of course, I'm talking about the Tsarnaevs (more than just the brothers), but undoubtedly there's selection bias in picking from the same family.

    If we look at Chechnya, they have a lot of stone towers, which seem to have no equivalent in large parts of Africa. Perhaps, except around Ethiopia. And personally I have always doubted the native genesis of Great Zimbabwe (IMO, probably the Portuguese helped create it, and then forgot about it. Maybe, there was a record of it, lost in the Lisbon earthquake), and there is something really weird and pathetic, IMO, in the fact that they named their country after it.

    Not to mention, Chechnya is a very remote place, with bad roads, so I think that their IQ would be lowballed due to lack of development.

    But it is interesting to consider whether there is some factor other than IQ that affects fighting ability. For example, perhaps, American blacks are descended from people who surrendered or broke and fled in Africa.

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Wokechoke

    I believe they stopped Manstein in Grozny. The Georgians generally had good mountain and ski infantry. The Chechens would have been split on the Germans when they came to the Caucasus. I think the Chechens who opposed Moscow were working with Fallshirmjager advisors and units.

    • Thanks: songbird
  103. @sudden death
    @LondonBob

    The same guy also writes about "150 #US officers of the Florida Army National Guard and dozens of #NATO officers were gearing the Ukrainian military to fight this war against #Russia, creating an underground control and command base" so according to his "info" it would be logical to think that hardly any substantial damage was made by RF strike if the base is really underground.

    Replies: @Wokechoke

    The command bunker might be reinforced but most of the US and British logistics and signals guys will be pretty vulnerable on the first strike. Now? They will be dispersed and in bunkers.

  104. @A123
    @Philip Owen


    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.
     
    The official "Desert Storm" component of the Iraq War lasted 43 days. That offensive had total air superiority, optimum terrain, and a truly inferior enemy. Many Iraqi units took money to surrender or simply deserted.

    People keep placing ridiculously short time frames on Russia's current offensive. The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
    ____

    The best option is for Zelensky to cut a deal.

    At some point, Putin will decide Winning the War takes precedence over preserving infrastructure for the subsequent peace. The Russian military has the artillery to level cities without coming within range of partisan resistance fighters. The process will be much longer than "Desert Storm", probably 6 months or more. However, the outcome is not in doubt.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.
     
    How does power transition to the next leader when one person pulls all the strings? Term limits for the head of state can help, because it removes one of the key incentives for over centralizing power.

    The U.S. may have the same problem. The election loser was placed in office via a "color revolution", the Blue Coup. Of course, the Fake Stream Media will never call it that. After trashing the Constitution to elevate Not-The-President Biden, there may no longer be elections or term limits.
    _____

    State Owned Enterprises [SOE] pose another risk, especially military owned SOE's. Iran and China are doomed as the IRGC and PLA fund themselves via cash extraction from inefficient and corrupt business. They are effectively outside the Rule of Law as they wield the Law of the Gun.

    Russia is much better off than Iran and China. Military and SOE's are separate. However, there is substantial risk of a failed succession after Putin, especially if something happens suddenly.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @AaronB

    The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.

    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military, for what it’s worth, according to him.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AaronB

    lol, just looked at van Creveld's blog (thanks for mentioning it!), and apparently he's written a book from the perspective of Stalin, I suppose as a companion piece to his book about Hitler in hell. Might be a fun read.

    , @Wokechoke
    @AaronB

    It's an all in attack, but, the casualties could be higher. Russia didn't mobilize. Its using an expeditionary force.

    , @A123
    @AaronB


    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military
     
    We have not seen wide scale use of artillery rendering cities uninhabitable. To me that seems like significant Russian military restraint trying to minimize civilian casualties. How is "almost no" defined?

    The Russians have avoided over commitment, which is either slow or methodical depending on world view. Perhaps they are using the "full force" of what they have today. However, they can gradually pour more into the conflict as supply lines are optimized.

    Ukraine has no hope to obtain military vehicles and larger systems, with the possible exception of replacement Bayraktar drones. What would a Ukrainian counter offensive look like? It is hard to see viable options to regain large swaths of ground after it is lost.

    PEACE 😇
  105. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    I don't know? Perhaps, he's right. I'm giving up on all imported Russian products. I hope that we curtail Russian oil and gas too. Why feed Putin's war efforts? Do you still feel that these war efforts are productive and needed, or would Russia be better off by curtailing its war actions within Ukraine?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mikhail

    I don’t know? Perhaps, he’s right. I’m giving up on all imported Russian products. I hope that we curtail Russian oil and gas too. Why feed Putin’s war efforts? Do you still feel that these war efforts are productive and needed, or would Russia be better off by curtailing its war actions within Ukraine?

    Ethically fucked up as he’s a sick bastard.

    Circa several decades ago, when Arab-Israeli differences were at a higher point, imagine the outcry if a medical ethics doctor/professor said that Israelis shouldn’t enjoy the benefits of advanced medical care on account of disproportionate Israeli government acts. One could hypothetically throw that at Americans, given the many citizens killed c/o US military action in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    As has been documented (c/o of UN/OSCE inspectors), the Kiev regime has killed at least 10,000, while having displaced at least 1 million from the rebel held Donbass area over the past eight years. Western mass media is mute on this because that area isn’t as close to central and western Europe, in conjunction with most of these victims going to Russia as opposed to the Kiev regime or EU countries.

    BTW, if I were a doctor and knew your views in advance, I’d nonetheless not hesitate to save your life.

  106. German_reader says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    It's not a legitimate question, it's a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don't you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It's also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen, @German_reader, @Jim Christian, @AKAHorace, @Philip Owen

    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    I’m not a pacifist, but imo this is mostly propaganda. Number of civilian deaths in Donbass has declined strongly in recent years, and even if one thinks Russia needed to act against possible Ukrainian designs for reconquest and incorporate Donbass, the current operation seems over the top. The maximalist aims you’re advocating (annexing most of Ukraine) certainly are.

    The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    That kind of sentiment is absurdly at odds with the militant stuff you’ve been posting about how the war will lead to national rejuvenation and joy. If it’s such a great enterprise where people can transcend their bugman lives, the number of participants should be maximized.

  107. @Mr. Hack
    @Mr. Hack

    BTW, when are you going to finally wake up and smell the coffee. Your whole life has been devoted towards improving the Russian/American relationship. Don't you realize that old man Putler has always made you job prohibitively more difficult? And yet you still seem to covet the Putin samovar polishing trophy year after year? Be careful, you're going to have some stiff competition this year, as Karlin is going way out of his way to keep the halo effect above Putin's head. :-(

    Replies: @Mikhail

    It’s not just about him.

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/11032022-what-russia-desires-oped/

    – Kiev regime carnage in Donbass (killing thousands and displacing hundreds of thousands)
    – Kiev regime interacting with Neo-Nazis
    – seven-year Kiev regime stonewalling of the UN approved Minsk Protocol, calling for a negotiated Donbass autonomy
    – the specter of NATO expansion in Ukraine compromising the security of Russia
    – leading up to the Russian military action in Ukraine, Western governments didn’t sanction or threaten to sanction the Kiev regime, much unlike the hypocritical stance towards Russia.

    The Western establishment’s moral hypocrisy on what happened thereafter notes the generally accepted rationale used for the atomic option on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end WW II. In more recent times, there’s the disproportionate use of military force that has been utilized by the US and some non-Russian others.

    The human suffering in these instances haven’t received anywhere near the same level of on the ground coverage when compared to the current situation in Ukraine. Some of this reporting might very well include misrepresentation, influenced by the possible distortion of pro-Kiev regime proponents.

  108. “Vzglyad” Russian website – Yandex translation, edited

    The Russian military shot down an Su-24 aircraft and 11 Ukrainian drones
    March 13, 2022, 19:00
    Russian troops shot down one plane and 11 drones of the Ukrainian military on Sunday, including two Bayraktars, Russian Defence Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov said at a briefing.

    “On the afternoon of March 13, aviation and air defence of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down in the air: one Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian air Force near the settlement of Novy Bykov, as well as 11 unmanned aerial vehicles, including two Bayraktar TB-2s,” RIA Novosti quoted him as saying.

    He added that 46 objects of the Ukrainian armed forces were hit by Russian tactical, army and unmanned aircraft, including three control points, one anti-aircraft missile system, two ammunition depots and 33 areas of accumulation of military equipment.

    Konashenkov also added that the Armed Forces of Russia and the grouping of the LPR troops continue the offensive, full control has been established over six more settlements.

    “The armed forces of the Russian Federation during offensive actions established full control over the settlements of Pavlovka, Nikolskoye, Blagodatnoye, Vodianovka and Vladimirovka. The advance for the day was up to 9 kilometers. The grouping of troops of the Luhansk People’s Republic, continuing offensive actions, liberated the city of Popasnaya from the nationalists,” he said.

    According to the representative of the Ministry of Defence, the Russian army destroyed 3,736 infrastructure facilities of the Ukrainian military in 18 days of a military special operation in Ukraine.

    “In total, 3736 objects of the military infrastructure of Ukraine were put out of operation during the operation. Destroyed: 100 aircraft, 139 unmanned aerial vehicles, 1,234 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 122 multiple rocket launchers, 452 field artillery and mortar guns, 1,013 units of special military vehicles,” he said.

    Earlier, Konashenkov said that the Russian Armed Forces destroyed up to 180 foreign mercenaries in Ukraine with a precision strike.

    Recall that Russia launched a military special operation in Ukraine on February 24. Russian Leader Vladimir Putin noted that Moscow’s plans do not include the occupation of the territories of Ukraine, the goal is the denazification and demilitarisation of the country. Also, a number of political conditions have been put forward to the Kiev authorities: the legislative consolidation of the non-aligned status of Ukraine with a complete ban on the deployment of NATO military bases and strike weapons systems on its territory, the trial of Nazi criminals who have committed crimes against citizens of Ukraine and Donbass in recent years, the recognition of Crimea as Russian, and the DPR and LPR as independent states.

  109. @Philip Owen
    @Rich

    Putin or come to that Shoigu and Gerasimov never served in the military either. An actual soldier, popular with the army that close to the top just might be dangerous.

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    Replies: @Rich, @A123, @Pharmakon, @sher singh

    Gerasimov never served in the military either

    You’re a retard but, I guess, this is to be expected of British inbreeds.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Pharmakon

    Got a bit carried away. Covid fever.

  110. @AaronB
    @A123


    The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
     
    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military, for what it's worth, according to him.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @A123

    lol, just looked at van Creveld’s blog (thanks for mentioning it!), and apparently he’s written a book from the perspective of Stalin, I suppose as a companion piece to his book about Hitler in hell. Might be a fun read.

    • LOL: AaronB
  111. @AaronB
    @A123


    The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
     
    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military, for what it's worth, according to him.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @A123

    It’s an all in attack, but, the casualties could be higher. Russia didn’t mobilize. Its using an expeditionary force.

  112. A123 says: • Website
    @AaronB
    @A123


    The terrain is worse, the opposition is stronger, and Putin is trying to avoid destroying infrastructure so that he can Win the Peace over the long term.
     
    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military, for what it's worth, according to him.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Wokechoke, @A123

    According to military historian Martin Van Creveld, on his blog, Russia is attacking with almost no restraints. We are seeing the full force of the conventional Russian military

    We have not seen wide scale use of artillery rendering cities uninhabitable. To me that seems like significant Russian military restraint trying to minimize civilian casualties. How is “almost no” defined?

    The Russians have avoided over commitment, which is either slow or methodical depending on world view. Perhaps they are using the “full force” of what they have today. However, they can gradually pour more into the conflict as supply lines are optimized.

    Ukraine has no hope to obtain military vehicles and larger systems, with the possible exception of replacement Bayraktar drones. What would a Ukrainian counter offensive look like? It is hard to see viable options to regain large swaths of ground after it is lost.

    PEACE 😇

  113. colonelcassad.livejournal.com
    Details on Izyum.
    March 13, 2022 20:06

    Information on Izyum from a person who has been there in recent days.

    The main territory of the city is controlled by Russian troops, the AFU was knocked out of the city centre, but retreating, the Ukrainians blew up two automobile bridges and ended up on a kind of peninsula. The Seversky Donets River creates a bend in the city and the southern part of the city, where the TV tower is located, is under the control of the AFU.

    Up to a battalion of enemy infantry, reinforced with mortars and MLRS, is concentrated in this part of the city. Another pedestrian bridge leads to the southern part of the city. During the attack on Izyum, up to a company of Russian infantry was able to break through to the southern part of the city. Motorised infantry have taken a bridgehead and despite all the attempts of the AFU soldiers to knock out the Russian soldiers, our soldiers are not only holding on, but are gradually expanding the controlled territory.

    In order to encircle the AFU in the city and further move towards Slavyansk, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation brought a pontoon crossing below Izyum. It was for this that the battles went on for 2 days. The deep reconnaissance company crossed the river, secured itself and fought to protect the crossing, while the bulk of armoured vehicles and infantry tried to cross it.

    The AFU is conducting accurate mortar and artillery fire along the crossing, our armoured personnel carrier was literally rocking from near explosions. In the dead of night, near the village of Kamenka, an air strike was carried out on a cluster of enemy equipment and infantry that was hiding in the forest. I think I will soon be able to show you the footage of objective control.
    Unfortunately, yesterday, while holding the bridgehead, a scout died the death of the brave. A shell scored a direct hit on him.

    With regard to the AFU near Izyum, I want to say the following. They fight competently, mortar and artillery fire are very accurate. In the forests to the east and west of Izyum, as well as to the south on the road to Slavyansk, fortified areas have been created, from which mobile groups are constantly leaving, with roaming mortars and MLRS, taking off literally after the first salvo.

    The enemy uses drones, has Buks and MANPADS in service, so the army aviation in this area works very carefully. On the territory cleared from the enemy, Russian troops are distributing humanitarian aid, trying to establish basic living conditions for local residents. At first, the locals treated us with caution, but now the majority are very friendly.

    Now the Izyum direction is becoming a priority. If the offensive of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation goes well, it will allow surrounding the entire Donetsk grouping of the enemy and unite with the LDPR troops, creating a cauldron for several tens of thousands of AFU soldiers. Kiev understands this perfectly well, therefore they are making every effort to prevent the advance of Russian troops.

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/31983 – zinc

  114. @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    haha, nothing better to see in the morning than neverending lamentations about impeached RF puppet who also happens to be wife beater alcholic, lol

    https://c.tenor.com/AqDQXMOsNd4AAAAd/let-me-taste-your-tears-scott-cartman.gif

    Replies: @Gerard1234

    American prostitute dickhead from Stalingrad ( “Vilnius” is not the name now for that average city. I have renamed it after the man who, generously, gave it to Lithuanian prostitutes)…….. will you answer my point?

    Because your worthless POS country, with the capital city of Stalingrad, staged a false flag that lead to closing of EU flights to Belarus, restrictions on Belavia and other sanctions…….. Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.

    I realise you have no free media in Lithuania and too many dumb, suicidal and alcoholic imbeciles to question the unexplained actions of Stalingrad ATC, transcripts or ANY interest in what the pilots had to say……. but this is quite an important issue for a population like yours to be willfully retarded on.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I had assumed 'suddendeath' was American.
    Anyway, ditto Ukraine, but Lithuania has a long history and very distinct identity (with closest existing language to Proto Indo-European in grammar/phonology), after Balts were annexed in the Great Northern War they kept (or rather, their German overlords) far-ranging autonomy and local institutions. Not fair to compare them with something as manufactured as the modern Ukrainian state.


    Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.
     
    All the same Luka has been very cautious (or rather, Putin has be careful not to embarrass him), although as Dmitri pointed out, the Belarusian army has zero combat experience.

    Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.
     
    Well, he's lived outside of Russia for a very long time, and apparently has absolutely zero desire to return (as you don't either?), for understandable reasons. It's clear enough he was horrified and blindsided by the outbreak of kinetic war, as any sensible person would be, but doesn't care much for the Ukrainian kakistocracy either. I also don't really see any winners in this.

    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg


    Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?
     
    Based retard.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    , @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    Looks like you share the same psycho drugs dealer with Karlin now, lol

    Anyways even if living in fantasy land it shows your lowly ungrateful inner nature - instead being respectfuly thankful to us for being the cause to implement oh so succesful impressive victorious superbly planned and executed Operation Z, you're angrily hallucinating instead when seeing this great RF march ;)

    Such lack of joyous enthusiasm at the cusp of crushing victory is very typical to Western recruited double spies so all seeing eyes and hands of RF motherland agencies should very deservedly bring you under trial soon.

    Replies: @Yevardian

  115. Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?

    Many people see a shadow play to cover the tracks and stymie civil disobedience against Vax Mandates. It sounds as though Russia’s covid policy was every bit as obnoxious as Canada and Germany other than Putin apparantly saying vaccine consumption is a private matter.

    There’s so much smoke it’s difficult to find the fire.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg

    It takes a long time to read enough of an Infectious Disease textbook and a Virology textbook and a Vaccine textbook to confidently look through the b.s.

    Gorbach is 2700 pp and weighs 11 pounds. That's a month of your life gone right there. So he relies on experts. He depends on others he believes that he trusts.

    https://www.amazon.com/Infectious-Diseases-Sherwood-L-Gorbach/dp/0781733715

    , @Wokechoke
    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg

    Prepared for war now they are.

  116. Interesting how Putin is alleged to have been the KGB handler for Rainer Sonntag.

    How developed was Soviet strategy In West Germany? Was it just a cynical move to fund any potentially destabilizing group, just as they gave weapons to Red Army Faction. All equal opportunity.

    Or did they promote neo-Nazis as hobgoblins in order to strengthen the anti-Nazi ideology, as they understood how destructive it could be?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Or did they promote neo-Nazis as hobgoblins in order to strengthen the anti-Nazi ideology, as they understood how destructive it could be?
     
    It could have been an attempt to show how fascist the federal republic was, that such groups were allowed to proliferate. Real or alleged continuity with Nazi Germany was a prominent theme of Eastern Bloc propaganda against West Germany after all.
    But I don't know if there's any evidence Eastern Bloc intelligence services ever actually did support neonazi groups. Had never heard about the allegations of Putin's links to this Rainer Sonntag (whom I didn't know about tbh). Sounds far-fetched to me.

    Replies: @songbird

  117. @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg
    Here's something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he's such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?

    Many people see a shadow play to cover the tracks and stymie civil disobedience against Vax Mandates. It sounds as though Russia's covid policy was every bit as obnoxious as Canada and Germany other than Putin apparantly saying vaccine consumption is a private matter.

    There's so much smoke it's difficult to find the fire.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    It takes a long time to read enough of an Infectious Disease textbook and a Virology textbook and a Vaccine textbook to confidently look through the b.s.

    Gorbach is 2700 pp and weighs 11 pounds. That’s a month of your life gone right there. So he relies on experts. He depends on others he believes that he trusts.

  118. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    Interesting how Putin is alleged to have been the KGB handler for Rainer Sonntag.

    How developed was Soviet strategy In West Germany? Was it just a cynical move to fund any potentially destabilizing group, just as they gave weapons to Red Army Faction. All equal opportunity.

    Or did they promote neo-Nazis as hobgoblins in order to strengthen the anti-Nazi ideology, as they understood how destructive it could be?

    Replies: @German_reader

    Or did they promote neo-Nazis as hobgoblins in order to strengthen the anti-Nazi ideology, as they understood how destructive it could be?

    It could have been an attempt to show how fascist the federal republic was, that such groups were allowed to proliferate. Real or alleged continuity with Nazi Germany was a prominent theme of Eastern Bloc propaganda against West Germany after all.
    But I don’t know if there’s any evidence Eastern Bloc intelligence services ever actually did support neonazi groups. Had never heard about the allegations of Putin’s links to this Rainer Sonntag (whom I didn’t know about tbh). Sounds far-fetched to me.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Heard their support of the Red Army Faction was partly to get Western cars, which the group regularly stole and crossed the border with, using phony plates. It's been alleged Putin was their handler and helped supply them with weapons, and was given a car in return, which he later returned to Russia in.

    Never tried to read much late-stage Soviet or Warsaw Pact propaganda about Western Europe and America. I imagine it would be disappointing stuff about racism, which is basically the same tune that the USSR has been playing since the '30s or before. Might as well read a Western paper of that time...

    Off the top of my head, the only thing I remember is this - I suppose Putin could have been in on it. (OTOH, maybe, he was just reading pozzed German media and summarizing negative stories about Germans.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION

    A shame so many of the Stazi records were destroyed or else we may have had better guesses as to what Putin was doing, though I imagine they were circumspect about their Soviet contacts. Wouldn't it be funny if he knew Merkel?

    Replies: @German_reader

  119. @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg
    Here's something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he's such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?

    Many people see a shadow play to cover the tracks and stymie civil disobedience against Vax Mandates. It sounds as though Russia's covid policy was every bit as obnoxious as Canada and Germany other than Putin apparantly saying vaccine consumption is a private matter.

    There's so much smoke it's difficult to find the fire.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @Wokechoke

    Prepared for war now they are.

  120. Here’s my humble take on the Ukraine situation. The West hates Russia. Or more specifically, our cultural elites hate Russia. Why? Because Russia poses a persistent ideological threat against “Western values.” It’s a complex historical issue, but perhaps it boils down to something very, very simple.

    https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/13/i-finally-understand-why-we-hate-russia/

    • Replies: @Pharmakon
    @Ian Kummer

    This article by Paul Starobin provides a good resume of the genesis of Western Russophobia:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-eternal-collapse-russia-11126

  121. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Gerard1234

    I accept the olive branch and must acknowledge that I was incorrect to repress you so, despite your penchant for uncouthness, I now see that it was driven by an underlying moral clarity that shines like the Sun at a time now when it matters.

    As regards Yevardian's suggestion below, I would be honored and privileged to have Gerard take over the running of the Russian Reaction blog if he would be so interested.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Gerard1234

    Master,

    Much appreciated and many, many thanks!

    If Vitaly Milonov is not available, then I would choose Dmitry as a perfect candidate to take over the blog, ahead of myself. Individual comments he makes way down the page here are easily worthy of being a blog post, he’s even more mild-mannered and polite on here than I am to all the commentators, more prolific and with good knowledge. Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.

    Thanks for the offer though

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Gerard1234

    My friend, a cross-dresser & an alcoholic is much better stationed to represent the west than a shoe-box aficionado.

  122. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Or did they promote neo-Nazis as hobgoblins in order to strengthen the anti-Nazi ideology, as they understood how destructive it could be?
     
    It could have been an attempt to show how fascist the federal republic was, that such groups were allowed to proliferate. Real or alleged continuity with Nazi Germany was a prominent theme of Eastern Bloc propaganda against West Germany after all.
    But I don't know if there's any evidence Eastern Bloc intelligence services ever actually did support neonazi groups. Had never heard about the allegations of Putin's links to this Rainer Sonntag (whom I didn't know about tbh). Sounds far-fetched to me.

    Replies: @songbird

    Heard their support of the Red Army Faction was partly to get Western cars, which the group regularly stole and crossed the border with, using phony plates. It’s been alleged Putin was their handler and helped supply them with weapons, and was given a car in return, which he later returned to Russia in.

    Never tried to read much late-stage Soviet or Warsaw Pact propaganda about Western Europe and America. I imagine it would be disappointing stuff about racism, which is basically the same tune that the USSR has been playing since the ’30s or before. Might as well read a Western paper of that time…

    Off the top of my head, the only thing I remember is this – I suppose Putin could have been in on it. (OTOH, maybe, he was just reading pozzed German media and summarizing negative stories about Germans.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION

    A shame so many of the Stazi records were destroyed or else we may have had better guesses as to what Putin was doing, though I imagine they were circumspect about their Soviet contacts. Wouldn’t it be funny if he knew Merkel?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    It’s been alleged Putin was their handler and helped supply them with weapons
     
    I don't think there's anything to that at all tbh. When Putin came to East Germany in 1985, the 2nd generation of the RAF had already been mostly out of action for several years anyway (either imprisoned in West Germany, or in some cases living under new identity in East Germany...but the latter don't seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore). And the 3rd generation (which committed some high-profile assassinations until the early 1990s) is a very shadowy affair, not much is known about them and few of their members have ever been caught. There are theories that they were supported by the Stasi, but as far as I can tell that's all speculation, there is no hard evidence.
    I suspect Putin had some boring desk job during his time in East Germany, but would still be interesting to know.

    Replies: @songbird

  123. @Pharmakon
    @Philip Owen


    Gerasimov never served in the military either
     
    You're a retard but, I guess, this is to be expected of British inbreeds.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Got a bit carried away. Covid fever.

  124. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    American prostitute dickhead from Stalingrad ( "Vilnius" is not the name now for that average city. I have renamed it after the man who, generously, gave it to Lithuanian prostitutes)........ will you answer my point?

    Because your worthless POS country, with the capital city of Stalingrad, staged a false flag that lead to closing of EU flights to Belarus, restrictions on Belavia and other sanctions........ Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn't have happened.

    I realise you have no free media in Lithuania and too many dumb, suicidal and alcoholic imbeciles to question the unexplained actions of Stalingrad ATC, transcripts or ANY interest in what the pilots had to say....... but this is quite an important issue for a population like yours to be willfully retarded on.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death

    I had assumed ‘suddendeath’ was American.
    Anyway, ditto Ukraine, but Lithuania has a long history and very distinct identity (with closest existing language to Proto Indo-European in grammar/phonology), after Balts were annexed in the Great Northern War they kept (or rather, their German overlords) far-ranging autonomy and local institutions. Not fair to compare them with something as manufactured as the modern Ukrainian state.

    Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.

    All the same Luka has been very cautious (or rather, Putin has be careful not to embarrass him), although as Dmitri pointed out, the Belarusian army has zero combat experience.

    Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.

    Well, he’s lived outside of Russia for a very long time, and apparently has absolutely zero desire to return (as you don’t either?), for understandable reasons. It’s clear enough he was horrified and blindsided by the outbreak of kinetic war, as any sensible person would be, but doesn’t care much for the Ukrainian kakistocracy either. I also don’t really see any winners in this.

    Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?

    Based retard.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    You're a Gay Armenian.

    Your Greek Master says Sanskrit is closest to any PIE

    http://indiafacts.org/fallacies-proto-indo-european/


    There was a Proto Indo-European language 10.000 years ago. Its reconstruction is impossible now despite enormous efforts by fanciful scholars. The closest extant language is (old) Sanskrit.
     
    Dr Nicholas Kazanas is a Greek-born (1939) scholar, Director of Omilos Meleton, Cultural Institute in Athens

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    Gerard writes subtle posts with multi-levels of meaning, for a small circle of cognoscenti, which may not actually exist here to interpret them.

    Sometimes he loses the discipline to hide his sophistication, shows his real personality, starts writing about Oscar Peterson's fingering innovations of the left hand, or a progression of catenaccio tactics in 1980s Italian football.

    If Gerard is not careful, you know he would start to explain about his interest in the early theological writings of Hegel, or the effect of Bösendorfer's engineers in the Yamaha CFX range.

    When Gerard is writing "Master" above, he is satirizing the neurological situation shown recently by the old moderator of this forum.

    This "Master Master", is reference to a character "Renfield", in the story of "Dracula" by Bram Stoker.

    Renfield is usually calmly eating insects, in his room in London insane asylum. In peaceful times, Renfield is able to have almost normal discussions about his master (Dracula) with the psychologists, and happy to sit alone, eat rats and dream about his master's plans.

    But when the evil approaches to civilized London, then Renfield's brain is flooded with neurotransmitters and excitement. Suddenly, can not anymore speak normally to people, but just shouts in short, not coherent sentences "Master Master".

    The analogy is perfect for the recent experiences caused to our forum discussions, before Ron Unz has returned freedom of speech. But I'm not surprised that Gerard is thinking the same, and he was the first martyr of a lighter censorship here.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Yevardian

    I actually linked Putin's appearance in the WEF - if you believe the WEF is omnipotent, the war in Ukraine "could be" the 2nd stage of the Great Reset by imploding the energy and food markets. But they can't even stop BoJo from getting rid of NHS COVID Pass and Austria suspending the vaccine mandate. They're a cruel joke.

  125. @Gerard1234
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Master,

    Much appreciated and many, many thanks!

    If Vitaly Milonov is not available, then I would choose Dmitry as a perfect candidate to take over the blog, ahead of myself. Individual comments he makes way down the page here are easily worthy of being a blog post, he's even more mild-mannered and polite on here than I am to all the commentators, more prolific and with good knowledge. Unclear his patriot-level, but even "neutral" level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.

    Thanks for the offer though

    Replies: @sher singh

    My friend, a cross-dresser & an alcoholic is much better stationed to represent the west than a shoe-box aficionado.

  126. @Ian Kummer
    Here's my humble take on the Ukraine situation. The West hates Russia. Or more specifically, our cultural elites hate Russia. Why? Because Russia poses a persistent ideological threat against "Western values." It's a complex historical issue, but perhaps it boils down to something very, very simple.

    https://readingjunkie.com/2022/03/13/i-finally-understand-why-we-hate-russia/

    Replies: @Pharmakon

    This article by Paul Starobin provides a good resume of the genesis of Western Russophobia:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-eternal-collapse-russia-11126

    • Thanks: Aedib
  127. sher singh says:
    @Philip Owen
    @Rich

    Putin or come to that Shoigu and Gerasimov never served in the military either. An actual soldier, popular with the army that close to the top just might be dangerous.

    As we now see, Putin expected the population to rise up in support within 48 hours.

    Bad decisions like this are why sensible governments, even dictatorships like China have term limits. Xi then removed the term limits. China is going to drop the same way as Russia.

    Replies: @Rich, @A123, @Pharmakon, @sher singh

    What just happened? Well, the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee, the de-jure highest power of the land, made by 205 members, has proposed a series of changes to China’s constitution. Amongst them are the abolition of term limits for the 主席 President and 副主席 Vicepresident.

    Previously, since 1982, there was a limit of two consecutive terms for both offices.
    What do the president and vice president of China do? The offices have no power. The constitutions, and any other law, give them no power. None at all. They are completely ceremonial.

    So what’s the point? That’s a good question. China has a weird double structure, where the party and state are distinct entities, but have completely mirror structures. For every province, city and county, there is a government, with its governors and mayors and vice governors and vice-mayors.

    And then there’s a Communist Party committee for the same province city or county, with a secretary general. The secretary general calls the shots. The mayor isn’t an entirely ceremonial office, but it is completely subservient to the secretary general of the local committee. There has been lots of calls for abolishing this nonsense and just unify the administration, but the system remains in place.

    The central government, the 国务院, has a “prime minister”, today Li Keqiang. That guy’s not ceremonial either, he wields substantial power. But for some reason, Deng Xiaoping in 1982 decided to put a President on top of the prime minister. I guess for diplomatic reasons. Foreigners don’t understand how Chinese politics work, not then and not now, so he wanted to make it easier to understand.

    The party has its party statutes. And no, no term limits. Same for the military commission. No term limits. So the only term limits are those for the Presidency, which is the fake office. Of course it’s prestigious and all; but it has no real power.

    Mao was not a dictator until 1966. And in order to become one he had to unleash the Cultural Revolution, where he physically killed every single enemy he had, and physically tortured about 90% of the party leadership. Mao did that precisely because he was not secure in his power.

    After 1959 he was removed from power due to, well, causing the starvation of tens of millions of people with the Great Leap Forward. He thought he would be purged and disgraced; and so he threw everything he had against the party. And he won. That’s what Mao did. Xi Jinping is in a completely different situation. He has comfortable complete power over all the country, and in an orderly and formal way. He has nothing to fear.

    As many of us now, it is not from secure power that bad government happens. It is due to insecure power, which leads the powerful to mess with society in order to secure it. That is what the Chinese historical tradition calls 乱, “disorder”. Mao’s time was a disorderly time. Xi Jinping’s time, you may like, or not like, but it is most certainly orderly.

    Now, a lot of people in China are kinda freaking out. Mostly liberal-ish college grads. If only because having a president for life does cut off some potential avenues for upward status mobility. And people hate that, of course, people want more status, more every day. If Xi is smart, he’ll open up the economy a bit, so that status-maximizers can put their energies in making money and not in selling their country to USG’s bioleninist outreach department. We’ll see.

    https://bioleninism.wordpress.com/2018/02/27/china-doesnt-care-about-your-opinion/
    Spandrell.

    You’re de facto right I guess, Idk I don’t care about China or Communism.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  128. sher singh says:
    @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I had assumed 'suddendeath' was American.
    Anyway, ditto Ukraine, but Lithuania has a long history and very distinct identity (with closest existing language to Proto Indo-European in grammar/phonology), after Balts were annexed in the Great Northern War they kept (or rather, their German overlords) far-ranging autonomy and local institutions. Not fair to compare them with something as manufactured as the modern Ukrainian state.


    Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.
     
    All the same Luka has been very cautious (or rather, Putin has be careful not to embarrass him), although as Dmitri pointed out, the Belarusian army has zero combat experience.

    Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.
     
    Well, he's lived outside of Russia for a very long time, and apparently has absolutely zero desire to return (as you don't either?), for understandable reasons. It's clear enough he was horrified and blindsided by the outbreak of kinetic war, as any sensible person would be, but doesn't care much for the Ukrainian kakistocracy either. I also don't really see any winners in this.

    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg


    Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?
     
    Based retard.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    You’re a Gay Armenian.

    Your Greek Master says Sanskrit is closest to any PIE

    http://indiafacts.org/fallacies-proto-indo-european/

    There was a Proto Indo-European language 10.000 years ago. Its reconstruction is impossible now despite enormous efforts by fanciful scholars. The closest extant language is (old) Sanskrit.

    Dr Nicholas Kazanas is a Greek-born (1939) scholar, Director of Omilos Meleton, Cultural Institute in Athens

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    Your Greek Master says Sanskrit is closest to any PIE
     
    The context clearly implied living languages.
    Of course Kazanas is revered by coping Pajeet nationalists, as I think he's the only major linguistics scholar left arguing against the 'invasion theory' of India by the Indo-Aryans.

    The man is a relic, he still rejects the Satem-Centum distinction on the basis of a few anomalies that were accounted for and decisively settled decades ago. Even more damningly, he comes close to rejecting Sausurre's laryngeal theory, the foundational framework for all PIE studies since the decipherment of Hittite proved it beyond all reasonable doubt.
    If it wasn't for his great synchronic Analysis work on the Prakrits and Sanskrit itself, his views on broader PIE issues would be dismissed as mere crankery.

    I doubt you read the article (probably just googled a phrase), but Kazanas even states Avestan (still used as Zoroastrian sacred tongue) is of equal antiquity to Sanskrit. Hittite is much older than both, although it's identity was long obscured by unique developments within Anatolian IE languages, so much so that the group is sometimes considered a sister-branch to PIE as a whole.

    But by all means, continue to worship the successive waves of Iranian tribes that crushed and enslaved your mixed-dravidian ancestors, in an essentially continuous cycle until the British arrived. Otherwise, Punjab would be being ruled by Pashtuns now.

    FACTS and LOGIC, sir.

    Replies: @sher singh

  129. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Heard their support of the Red Army Faction was partly to get Western cars, which the group regularly stole and crossed the border with, using phony plates. It's been alleged Putin was their handler and helped supply them with weapons, and was given a car in return, which he later returned to Russia in.

    Never tried to read much late-stage Soviet or Warsaw Pact propaganda about Western Europe and America. I imagine it would be disappointing stuff about racism, which is basically the same tune that the USSR has been playing since the '30s or before. Might as well read a Western paper of that time...

    Off the top of my head, the only thing I remember is this - I suppose Putin could have been in on it. (OTOH, maybe, he was just reading pozzed German media and summarizing negative stories about Germans.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION

    A shame so many of the Stazi records were destroyed or else we may have had better guesses as to what Putin was doing, though I imagine they were circumspect about their Soviet contacts. Wouldn't it be funny if he knew Merkel?

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s been alleged Putin was their handler and helped supply them with weapons

    I don’t think there’s anything to that at all tbh. When Putin came to East Germany in 1985, the 2nd generation of the RAF had already been mostly out of action for several years anyway (either imprisoned in West Germany, or in some cases living under new identity in East Germany…but the latter don’t seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore). And the 3rd generation (which committed some high-profile assassinations until the early 1990s) is a very shadowy affair, not much is known about them and few of their members have ever been caught. There are theories that they were supported by the Stasi, but as far as I can tell that’s all speculation, there is no hard evidence.
    I suspect Putin had some boring desk job during his time in East Germany, but would still be interesting to know.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    but the latter don’t seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore
     
    Wasn't there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the '70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries. Like for example, U.S. General James Lee Dozier was kidnapped in 1981 in Verona, Italy by the Red Brigades. They kept him for 42 days without killing him, and he was eventually rescued without a shot being fired.

    So, maybe, Putin was working with the RAF, but the members who were operant weren't the killers of the previous generation. I'm sure they would have considered it worthwhile, just to have them lift cars.

    I thought the first gen got their weapons from the PLO, but, maybe, in Putin's time, they might have been supplied with weapons to sell on the blackmarket? In return for services. (What else would they trade? Not hard currency, surely.) Of course, that is speculating a lot, but it is fun to speculate.

    Supposedly, he sometimes crossed into West Germany, using an alias identity of a man working for TASS. According to one story, he was expelled from West Germany, after being suspected of spying in Bonn.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

  130. @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    You're a Gay Armenian.

    Your Greek Master says Sanskrit is closest to any PIE

    http://indiafacts.org/fallacies-proto-indo-european/


    There was a Proto Indo-European language 10.000 years ago. Its reconstruction is impossible now despite enormous efforts by fanciful scholars. The closest extant language is (old) Sanskrit.
     
    Dr Nicholas Kazanas is a Greek-born (1939) scholar, Director of Omilos Meleton, Cultural Institute in Athens

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Your Greek Master says Sanskrit is closest to any PIE

    The context clearly implied living languages.
    Of course Kazanas is revered by coping Pajeet nationalists, as I think he’s the only major linguistics scholar left arguing against the ‘invasion theory’ of India by the Indo-Aryans.

    The man is a relic, he still rejects the Satem-Centum distinction on the basis of a few anomalies that were accounted for and decisively settled decades ago. Even more damningly, he comes close to rejecting Sausurre’s laryngeal theory, the foundational framework for all PIE studies since the decipherment of Hittite proved it beyond all reasonable doubt.
    If it wasn’t for his great synchronic Analysis work on the Prakrits and Sanskrit itself, his views on broader PIE issues would be dismissed as mere crankery.

    I doubt you read the article (probably just googled a phrase), but Kazanas even states Avestan (still used as Zoroastrian sacred tongue) is of equal antiquity to Sanskrit. Hittite is much older than both, although it’s identity was long obscured by unique developments within Anatolian IE languages, so much so that the group is sometimes considered a sister-branch to PIE as a whole.

    But by all means, continue to worship the successive waves of Iranian tribes that crushed and enslaved your mixed-dravidian ancestors, in an essentially continuous cycle until the British arrived. Otherwise, Punjab would be being ruled by Pashtuns now.

    FACTS and LOGIC, sir.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Yevardian

    Punjab was free'd from Pashtuns by the Khalsa though.
    There were even dozens of Hindu cities in Armenia, now all u do is produce porn for Blacks.

    There's no genetic continuity between the Indus Valley & the Gangetics or Dravidas.
    :shrug: https://araingang.medium.com/the-indus-valley-is-genetically-distinct-from-north-india-f2fe98e3e099

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  131. @German_reader
    @iffen


    Now, unless you can come up with some categorical denunciation of nationalism, one that applies to me, you and AK, then your attacks on AK are mere partisanship on your part.
     
    imo a lot of Karlin's recent statements are verging on caricature, like a recycling of the dumbest talking points of early 20th century nationalists. Sure, it's possible Russia will succeed in her current enterprise, maybe everything will work out to Karlin's satisfaction and lead to a glorious rebirth of the Russian empire. But still..."national rejuvenation through war", lol, what could possibly go wrong with such an approach, not like it's ever been tried before. I don't think one has to categorically reject nationalism in its entirety to be irritated by this kind of all-or-nothing risk-taking (and its implication that Russia is worthless if the present war doesn't lead to a glorious future).
    Also comes across as really in poor taste that Karlin writes these things while apparently still living his comfortable bourgeois hipster life (in another thread he just mused how 100 000 deaths in the Ukraine war might not be too high a price, which caused the entirely legitimate question by an East Asian commenter "Why don't you volunteer and go fight yourself?").
    And finally, his writing has also gotten really boring (apart from his grandiose pronouncements, which are oscillating somewhere between creepy and unintentionally hilarious). If you've reached the pedestrian level of "Russia is fighting Nazi terrorists in Ukraine", you're not really saying anything original or worth listening to anymore.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver, @iffen

    I didn’t say anything about him being an outstanding example of a virtuous nationalist. I just mean that he has the right, just as you have the right to take the side of Ukraine.

    And I have already posted that we Americans will owe an eternal debt to Ukrainians if this war does in fact force rich European countries to start investing in their own military and defense.

  132. @German_reader
    @songbird


    It’s been alleged Putin was their handler and helped supply them with weapons
     
    I don't think there's anything to that at all tbh. When Putin came to East Germany in 1985, the 2nd generation of the RAF had already been mostly out of action for several years anyway (either imprisoned in West Germany, or in some cases living under new identity in East Germany...but the latter don't seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore). And the 3rd generation (which committed some high-profile assassinations until the early 1990s) is a very shadowy affair, not much is known about them and few of their members have ever been caught. There are theories that they were supported by the Stasi, but as far as I can tell that's all speculation, there is no hard evidence.
    I suspect Putin had some boring desk job during his time in East Germany, but would still be interesting to know.

    Replies: @songbird

    but the latter don’t seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore

    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries. Like for example, U.S. General James Lee Dozier was kidnapped in 1981 in Verona, Italy by the Red Brigades. They kept him for 42 days without killing him, and he was eventually rescued without a shot being fired.

    So, maybe, Putin was working with the RAF, but the members who were operant weren’t the killers of the previous generation. I’m sure they would have considered it worthwhile, just to have them lift cars.

    I thought the first gen got their weapons from the PLO, but, maybe, in Putin’s time, they might have been supplied with weapons to sell on the blackmarket? In return for services. (What else would they trade? Not hard currency, surely.) Of course, that is speculating a lot, but it is fun to speculate.

    Supposedly, he sometimes crossed into West Germany, using an alias identity of a man working for TASS. According to one story, he was expelled from West Germany, after being suspected of spying in Bonn.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries.
     
    3rd generation of RAF could actually be pretty vicious, e.g.:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Pimental

    As for any Putin connection, I think that's just fantasy. But the issue is that not that much is known about the 3rd generation of RAF, investigators literally don't know the identities of many of their members, and even some of those known have never been captured (iirc a few of them are known to have committed robberies in the 2010s, so these people are still alive, just have managed to evade capture for more than 30 years). So there's room for a lot of speculation.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @A123
    @songbird


    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries.
     
    I suspect behaviour was the same.

    The difference was driven by perception. The leftward media shift was beginning. Progressive groups were no longer criticized for uncivilized activity. Coverage of crimes focused through the lens of race. Violence became acceptable as long as it was For The Greater Good of leftist causes.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  133. Alert: the paranoid ex-Libertarian Anatoly Karlin is still wielding his censorship scalpel!

    If you value your own input to this blogsite, do not continue posting comments to any thread prior to Open Thread #181. It appears that Karlin still yields this privilege in prior threads, before Ron Unz severely reprimanded him for these anti-democratic practices. I was reading an interesting exchange between AP and Karlin yesterday, and posted my own reply to AP’s comment #449 within Open Thread #179. Interestingly enough, it isn’t there anymore. Apparently, Karlin didn’t appreciate my query as to his own sanity, that he sounded as if he were still using the powerful hallucinatory drug LSD – he’s admitted that he’s experimented with this drug in the past. It was nice, however, to see that AP scored many points within their exchange. 🙂

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  134. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    but the latter don’t seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore
     
    Wasn't there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the '70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries. Like for example, U.S. General James Lee Dozier was kidnapped in 1981 in Verona, Italy by the Red Brigades. They kept him for 42 days without killing him, and he was eventually rescued without a shot being fired.

    So, maybe, Putin was working with the RAF, but the members who were operant weren't the killers of the previous generation. I'm sure they would have considered it worthwhile, just to have them lift cars.

    I thought the first gen got their weapons from the PLO, but, maybe, in Putin's time, they might have been supplied with weapons to sell on the blackmarket? In return for services. (What else would they trade? Not hard currency, surely.) Of course, that is speculating a lot, but it is fun to speculate.

    Supposedly, he sometimes crossed into West Germany, using an alias identity of a man working for TASS. According to one story, he was expelled from West Germany, after being suspected of spying in Bonn.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries.

    3rd generation of RAF could actually be pretty vicious, e.g.:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Pimental

    As for any Putin connection, I think that’s just fantasy. But the issue is that not that much is known about the 3rd generation of RAF, investigators literally don’t know the identities of many of their members, and even some of those known have never been captured (iirc a few of them are known to have committed robberies in the 2010s, so these people are still alive, just have managed to evade capture for more than 30 years). So there’s room for a lot of speculation.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Thanks, that is interesting. Curious how there were all these attacks on American and British bases in mainland Europe, but now it almost seems like the Left has come around to supporting American imperialism.

    Guess the IRA and ETA were still pretty active in the '80s. But maybe those count as paramilitaries? Or maybe, it just took longer for the same trends to manifest there because of remoteness or higher TFR.

    Think they had something like 50 KGB officers in East Germany, so I wouldn't necessarily call that high odds, even if the Soviets were connected. Then, again, by the fall of the Wall, Putin was a Lt. Colonel, and I believe in charge of the KGB HQ in Dresden. If anyone was dealing with them, guess it would be in the KGB files, which were successfully removed from Germany, by Putin and his subordinates. Unless he scrubbed them.

    Replies: @German_reader

  135. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    It's not a legitimate question, it's a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don't you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It's also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen, @German_reader, @Jim Christian, @AKAHorace, @Philip Owen

    It’s also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Hey, Anatoly! Best point on the ‘thread’, or whatever this thing is now. No one was paying attention the past eight years in the Donbass. Those lives had no value? Indeed, where were the pacifists? There ARE no pacifists. Those are crocodile tears and shills picking at Russia’s hide. Since they didn’t give voice to the Donbass, I accord them no voice now.

    Lots of new voices around here picking at YOUR hide lately, Anatoly. Consider them fleas. I for one miss your insights and information and photography. Your voice counts especially because you’ve been over there. Be well, young man.

  136. @Commentator Mike
    @sudden death

    I was just trolling the troll - you.

    Replies: @LatW

    I was just..

    If you ever feel like posting to again, remember — a golden nightingale is hovering at the tip of my spear.

  137. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    but the latter don’t seem to have had any active involvement in terrorism anymore
     
    Wasn't there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the '70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries. Like for example, U.S. General James Lee Dozier was kidnapped in 1981 in Verona, Italy by the Red Brigades. They kept him for 42 days without killing him, and he was eventually rescued without a shot being fired.

    So, maybe, Putin was working with the RAF, but the members who were operant weren't the killers of the previous generation. I'm sure they would have considered it worthwhile, just to have them lift cars.

    I thought the first gen got their weapons from the PLO, but, maybe, in Putin's time, they might have been supplied with weapons to sell on the blackmarket? In return for services. (What else would they trade? Not hard currency, surely.) Of course, that is speculating a lot, but it is fun to speculate.

    Supposedly, he sometimes crossed into West Germany, using an alias identity of a man working for TASS. According to one story, he was expelled from West Germany, after being suspected of spying in Bonn.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries.

    I suspect behaviour was the same.

    The difference was driven by perception. The leftward media shift was beginning. Progressive groups were no longer criticized for uncivilized activity. Coverage of crimes focused through the lens of race. Violence became acceptable as long as it was For The Greater Good of leftist causes.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Here's an interesting blurb about the Weather Underground:


    However, by 1976 the organization was disintegrating. The Weather Underground held a conference in Chicago called Hard Times. The idea was to create an umbrella organization for all radical groups. However, the event turned sour when Hispanic and Black groups accused the Weather Underground and the Prairie Fire Committee of limiting their roles in racial issues.
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

    However, I don't think that would explain the changes in Europe.
  138. @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    Your Greek Master says Sanskrit is closest to any PIE
     
    The context clearly implied living languages.
    Of course Kazanas is revered by coping Pajeet nationalists, as I think he's the only major linguistics scholar left arguing against the 'invasion theory' of India by the Indo-Aryans.

    The man is a relic, he still rejects the Satem-Centum distinction on the basis of a few anomalies that were accounted for and decisively settled decades ago. Even more damningly, he comes close to rejecting Sausurre's laryngeal theory, the foundational framework for all PIE studies since the decipherment of Hittite proved it beyond all reasonable doubt.
    If it wasn't for his great synchronic Analysis work on the Prakrits and Sanskrit itself, his views on broader PIE issues would be dismissed as mere crankery.

    I doubt you read the article (probably just googled a phrase), but Kazanas even states Avestan (still used as Zoroastrian sacred tongue) is of equal antiquity to Sanskrit. Hittite is much older than both, although it's identity was long obscured by unique developments within Anatolian IE languages, so much so that the group is sometimes considered a sister-branch to PIE as a whole.

    But by all means, continue to worship the successive waves of Iranian tribes that crushed and enslaved your mixed-dravidian ancestors, in an essentially continuous cycle until the British arrived. Otherwise, Punjab would be being ruled by Pashtuns now.

    FACTS and LOGIC, sir.

    Replies: @sher singh

    Punjab was free’d from Pashtuns by the Khalsa though.
    There were even dozens of Hindu cities in Armenia, now all u do is produce porn for Blacks.

    There’s no genetic continuity between the Indus Valley & the Gangetics or Dravidas.
    :shrug: https://araingang.medium.com/the-indus-valley-is-genetically-distinct-from-north-india-f2fe98e3e099

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  139. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries.
     
    3rd generation of RAF could actually be pretty vicious, e.g.:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Pimental

    As for any Putin connection, I think that's just fantasy. But the issue is that not that much is known about the 3rd generation of RAF, investigators literally don't know the identities of many of their members, and even some of those known have never been captured (iirc a few of them are known to have committed robberies in the 2010s, so these people are still alive, just have managed to evade capture for more than 30 years). So there's room for a lot of speculation.

    Replies: @songbird

    Thanks, that is interesting. Curious how there were all these attacks on American and British bases in mainland Europe, but now it almost seems like the Left has come around to supporting American imperialism.

    Guess the IRA and ETA were still pretty active in the ’80s. But maybe those count as paramilitaries? Or maybe, it just took longer for the same trends to manifest there because of remoteness or higher TFR.

    Think they had something like 50 KGB officers in East Germany, so I wouldn’t necessarily call that high odds, even if the Soviets were connected. Then, again, by the fall of the Wall, Putin was a Lt. Colonel, and I believe in charge of the KGB HQ in Dresden. If anyone was dealing with them, guess it would be in the KGB files, which were successfully removed from Germany, by Putin and his subordinates. Unless he scrubbed them.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    Guess the IRA and ETA were still pretty active in the ’80s. But maybe those count as paramilitaries?
     
    I think they were a much bigger deal. RAF was basically just a few dozen loonies aided by a few hundred supporters. It's very strange in retrospect how West Germany went nuts over them during the Deutscher Herbst of 1977 (my father remembers traffic controls where you were approached by police with drawn machine pistols, and there was talk about re-introducing the death penalty, maybe even treating imprisoned RAF members as hostages). Whereas today the official attitude towards Islamic-inspired terrorism is much more indifferent, something you just have to tolerate. Part of the explanation is probably that RAF actually managed to kill quite a few elite representatives (the GIs and German policemen they killed don't get mentioned much), which scared the establishment.

    Replies: @songbird

  140. @Anatoly Karlin
    @German_reader

    It's not a legitimate question, it's a moronic and bad faith one. About 70% of Russians support the special military operation, but only about 0.2% of them are participating in it. Why don't you go round asking the other 69.8% the same thing? The 0.2% that are fighting are people who want to be there, who are paid well above average Russian salaries to be there (funded by taxes collected from the 69.8%), and who have specifically trained for years for scenarios like this.

    It's also very curious (and telling) how all these newly sprouted pacifists only seem to be piping up now and now in any of the previous 8 years when the Ukrainians were bombarding Donbass.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Philip Owen, @German_reader, @Jim Christian, @AKAHorace, @Philip Owen

    Karlin,

    is this for real ? The timing seems a bit convenient and there is no snow, but perhaps they efficiently remove snow as well as dissidents.

    "Two Words", Moscov, 2022. from Unexpected

  141. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Less than six months ago:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    : (

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    The thing that I admired most about AK’s blog was his ability to foster such a diverse and (usually) collegial collection of viewpoints. I felt that this was a very positive reflection of AK and something he had a right to be very proud of. While the commentariat was not a direct offshoot of his ideological work, it was still something rather special that coalesced around him and his writing. The fact that so many open threads have continued without him is an oblique tribute to him.

    It seems clear that AK does not feel the same and has moved on to other priorities, though it’s too bad that he has taken a hostile attitude. It seems that he could have moved on to his other future works and priorities without burning bridges from his past.

    Regardless, I still deeply appreciate the writing and generosity of spirit the AK has exhibited on the blog in the past, and wish him the best in whatever he lays his hand to.

    • Agree: AKAHorace, Pharmakon, Twinkie
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Bro, the Ukranians have been hijacking every single discussion for the last 3 years if not 4 or 5.
    Go to his Discord & ask you'll see almost everyone agree.

    This forum has no mandate to cater to the needs of Mr. Hack, AP & a few others (no personal offence)
    While pain & suffering should be alleviated, Fuck Ukraine for that reason alone & Fk Khokhols.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Twinkie
    @Barbarossa

    I didn't read Anatoly Karlin regularly, but checked in once in a while. I bemoaned his leaving on record, especially coming right after Audacious Epigone shutting down his blog.

    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.

    His last several comments on Unz seem extremely ungracious, especially to his previous audience who helped to grow whatever prominence he has now. It smacks of burning bridges with a past employer now that he has a new employer (so to speak), i.e. "All the readers who pay to read me moved with me to Substack, so screw the rest of you on Unz who criticize my writings - you are all just a bunch of Ukrainian Fascist shills!"

    He also seems to have gone "full Putin," writing Baghdad Bob-like propaganda such as attributing Russian failures or difficulties to naivete or "Christ-like" gentleness of the Russian politico-military leaders rather than tactical/operational failures or strategic miscalculations.

    Although I was not sympatico with many of his views, I previously held him in relatively high regard as a truth-seeker, so I am disappointed in his latest online iteration. Nonetheless, I wish him well and hope he comes out well of the end of whatever is going on in Russia today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anatoly Karlin

  142. guess i’ll be posting here for the duration, as Steve Sailer has completely lost it, and gone full boomer.

  143. @A123
    @songbird


    Wasn’t there a sharp decline in leftist violence in Europe after the ’70s? My impression was that there was some generational change, that struck across different countries.
     
    I suspect behaviour was the same.

    The difference was driven by perception. The leftward media shift was beginning. Progressive groups were no longer criticized for uncivilized activity. Coverage of crimes focused through the lens of race. Violence became acceptable as long as it was For The Greater Good of leftist causes.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    Here’s an interesting blurb about the Weather Underground:

    However, by 1976 the organization was disintegrating. The Weather Underground held a conference in Chicago called Hard Times. The idea was to create an umbrella organization for all radical groups. However, the event turned sour when Hispanic and Black groups accused the Weather Underground and the Prairie Fire Committee of limiting their roles in racial issues.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground

    However, I don’t think that would explain the changes in Europe.

  144. @Commentator Mike
    Here's the latest from Patrick Lancaster from the just liberated Volnovakha

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbiplu3Cyjg

    Replies: @Wielgus, @Sasu

    Thanks for sharing this. I hadn’t seen any of his reports, and am surprised that YouTube hasn’t removed them. Brave guy.

  145. sher singh says:
    @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The thing that I admired most about AK's blog was his ability to foster such a diverse and (usually) collegial collection of viewpoints. I felt that this was a very positive reflection of AK and something he had a right to be very proud of. While the commentariat was not a direct offshoot of his ideological work, it was still something rather special that coalesced around him and his writing. The fact that so many open threads have continued without him is an oblique tribute to him.

    It seems clear that AK does not feel the same and has moved on to other priorities, though it's too bad that he has taken a hostile attitude. It seems that he could have moved on to his other future works and priorities without burning bridges from his past.

    Regardless, I still deeply appreciate the writing and generosity of spirit the AK has exhibited on the blog in the past, and wish him the best in whatever he lays his hand to.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Twinkie

    Bro, the Ukranians have been hijacking every single discussion for the last 3 years if not 4 or 5.
    Go to his Discord & ask you’ll see almost everyone agree.

    This forum has no mandate to cater to the needs of Mr. Hack, AP & a few others (no personal offence)
    While pain & suffering should be alleviated, Fuck Ukraine for that reason alone & Fk Khokhols.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sher singh

    How stupid. Karlin mentioned nothing about a preponderance of Ukrainian sympathizer comments that caused him to leave this blogsite. In fact, he really hasn't left this site, as he continually reappears, that other non-Ukrainian sympathizers have found to be bizarre. The truth of the matter, up until this stupid war commenced, he and I got along rather well. He even invited me to personally visit him if ever in Moscow. We shared cooking tips and he even shared with me a way to pirate current films. Hi friendship with AP was legendary. It's since this war started that he's donned his Darth Vader costume and seems to get his jollies from watching bombed out civilian enclaves in Ukraine. For this, I will not cut him any slack, why should I?

    Replies: @sher singh

  146. https://discordapp.com/channels/@me/640459736919048202/952795439751634944

    Sikh man attacked in Sacramento but he came Strapped. from Sikh

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  147. @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Bro, the Ukranians have been hijacking every single discussion for the last 3 years if not 4 or 5.
    Go to his Discord & ask you'll see almost everyone agree.

    This forum has no mandate to cater to the needs of Mr. Hack, AP & a few others (no personal offence)
    While pain & suffering should be alleviated, Fuck Ukraine for that reason alone & Fk Khokhols.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    How stupid. Karlin mentioned nothing about a preponderance of Ukrainian sympathizer comments that caused him to leave this blogsite. In fact, he really hasn’t left this site, as he continually reappears, that other non-Ukrainian sympathizers have found to be bizarre. The truth of the matter, up until this stupid war commenced, he and I got along rather well. He even invited me to personally visit him if ever in Moscow. We shared cooking tips and he even shared with me a way to pirate current films. Hi friendship with AP was legendary. It’s since this war started that he’s donned his Darth Vader costume and seems to get his jollies from watching bombed out civilian enclaves in Ukraine. For this, I will not cut him any slack, why should I?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Thanks: sher singh
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    I agree.
    Ask on the discord lot of people are pissed the board going Ukro-centric few yrs back.

    I complained & got on fine afterwards, but anyone pretending this place hasn't changed since 2018 or thereabouts is lying. A lot of old commentators either left or have thankfully reached discord. I sympathize with both the Bravery of the Ukrainians & the Geo-political ambitions of the Rus which are well out-lined here: https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

    This went from an international place to a mostly Slavic one, and that's fine. Mirrors Tolya's move East. ;)

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

  148. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I had assumed 'suddendeath' was American.
    Anyway, ditto Ukraine, but Lithuania has a long history and very distinct identity (with closest existing language to Proto Indo-European in grammar/phonology), after Balts were annexed in the Great Northern War they kept (or rather, their German overlords) far-ranging autonomy and local institutions. Not fair to compare them with something as manufactured as the modern Ukrainian state.


    Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.
     
    All the same Luka has been very cautious (or rather, Putin has be careful not to embarrass him), although as Dmitri pointed out, the Belarusian army has zero combat experience.

    Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.
     
    Well, he's lived outside of Russia for a very long time, and apparently has absolutely zero desire to return (as you don't either?), for understandable reasons. It's clear enough he was horrified and blindsided by the outbreak of kinetic war, as any sensible person would be, but doesn't care much for the Ukrainian kakistocracy either. I also don't really see any winners in this.

    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg


    Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?
     
    Based retard.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    Gerard writes subtle posts with multi-levels of meaning, for a small circle of cognoscenti, which may not actually exist here to interpret them.

    Sometimes he loses the discipline to hide his sophistication, shows his real personality, starts writing about Oscar Peterson’s fingering innovations of the left hand, or a progression of catenaccio tactics in 1980s Italian football.

    If Gerard is not careful, you know he would start to explain about his interest in the early theological writings of Hegel, or the effect of Bösendorfer’s engineers in the Yamaha CFX range.

    When Gerard is writing “Master” above, he is satirizing the neurological situation shown recently by the old moderator of this forum.

    This “Master Master”, is reference to a character “Renfield”, in the story of “Dracula” by Bram Stoker.

    Renfield is usually calmly eating insects, in his room in London insane asylum. In peaceful times, Renfield is able to have almost normal discussions about his master (Dracula) with the psychologists, and happy to sit alone, eat rats and dream about his master’s plans.

    But when the evil approaches to civilized London, then Renfield’s brain is flooded with neurotransmitters and excitement. Suddenly, can not anymore speak normally to people, but just shouts in short, not coherent sentences “Master Master”.

    The analogy is perfect for the recent experiences caused to our forum discussions, before Ron Unz has returned freedom of speech. But I’m not surprised that Gerard is thinking the same, and he was the first martyr of a lighter censorship here.

    • LOL: sher singh, sudden death, Emil Nikola Richard
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    Believe it or not, you might recall that I would often rally to Gerard's defense whenever Karlin would ban him from making comments, although I enjoyed poking fun at some of his ideas. What was most disgusting about the man, was his acidic style, that could never offer him any congeniality points. We both thought highly of the music of Chick Corea (I remember you being a fan too), so he couldn't be all bad. :-)

  149. sher singh says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @sher singh

    How stupid. Karlin mentioned nothing about a preponderance of Ukrainian sympathizer comments that caused him to leave this blogsite. In fact, he really hasn't left this site, as he continually reappears, that other non-Ukrainian sympathizers have found to be bizarre. The truth of the matter, up until this stupid war commenced, he and I got along rather well. He even invited me to personally visit him if ever in Moscow. We shared cooking tips and he even shared with me a way to pirate current films. Hi friendship with AP was legendary. It's since this war started that he's donned his Darth Vader costume and seems to get his jollies from watching bombed out civilian enclaves in Ukraine. For this, I will not cut him any slack, why should I?

    Replies: @sher singh

    I agree.
    Ask on the discord lot of people are pissed the board going Ukro-centric few yrs back.

    I complained & got on fine afterwards, but anyone pretending this place hasn’t changed since 2018 or thereabouts is lying. A lot of old commentators either left or have thankfully reached discord. I sympathize with both the Bravery of the Ukrainians & the Geo-political ambitions of the Rus which are well out-lined here: https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

    This went from an international place to a mostly Slavic one, and that’s fine. Mirrors Tolya’s move East. 😉

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    Ask on the discord
     
    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos. I'll pass.
    With it, feels like Akarlin's return to his ideological roots with the likes of Oliver D Smith, Mark Steyn readers and that 'PUA' women-respecter with a head like Red Dwarf's Kryten.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/kryten-8f09c27e-cd80-4070-8a5c-9a4cc500bca-resize-750.jpeg

    It is odd though. Karlin abandons his blog, and a short while later, echoes the same uncritical triumphalism he mocked in writers like 'The Saker' for years. I mean a lot of people who wish the best for an independent Russia immediately saw the commencement of this invasion as an unavoidable castastrophe.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anatoly Karlin, @Lolcow of the day

    , @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    I'm unqualified to judge the change in the board pre-2018 since I wasn't around that much prior. I gravitated more toward AE anyhow prior to his leaving and landed here since it was the only worthwhile commenting section left at UNZ.

    Regardless of how the board has shifted over 3 or 4 years, the change in AK's attitude seems quite recent and precipitous, as Mr. Hack points out.

    Personally, I find it somewhat interesting to see the partisans on both sides spar, even if it is a somewhat futile exercise. It's really not like AP or Mr. Hack are content-free trolls, even if they are staunch Ukrainian boosters. Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter, but they are usually both well rounded commenters.

    Besides, what would be the point of a "Rah Rah Russia" echo chamber? That just sounds boring, like some pro-Russian version of the Breitbart comment section. I like seeing the true believers on both sides along with the agnostics trapped in the same room.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sher singh

  150. @Gerard1234
    @sudden death

    American prostitute dickhead from Stalingrad ( "Vilnius" is not the name now for that average city. I have renamed it after the man who, generously, gave it to Lithuanian prostitutes)........ will you answer my point?

    Because your worthless POS country, with the capital city of Stalingrad, staged a false flag that lead to closing of EU flights to Belarus, restrictions on Belavia and other sanctions........ Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn't have happened.

    I realise you have no free media in Lithuania and too many dumb, suicidal and alcoholic imbeciles to question the unexplained actions of Stalingrad ATC, transcripts or ANY interest in what the pilots had to say....... but this is quite an important issue for a population like yours to be willfully retarded on.

    Replies: @Yevardian, @sudden death

    Looks like you share the same psycho drugs dealer with Karlin now, lol

    Anyways even if living in fantasy land it shows your lowly ungrateful inner nature – instead being respectfuly thankful to us for being the cause to implement oh so succesful impressive victorious superbly planned and executed Operation Z, you’re angrily hallucinating instead when seeing this great RF march 😉

    Such lack of joyous enthusiasm at the cusp of crushing victory is very typical to Western recruited double spies so all seeing eyes and hands of RF motherland agencies should very deservedly bring you under trial soon.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @sudden death

    As Dmitri hinted at, I really don't think you should take all Gerard's posts at face value, he is a Zhirik-like figure, and one of the most knowledgeable commenters here, under his clown persona.

    Replies: @sudden death

  151. @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    I agree.
    Ask on the discord lot of people are pissed the board going Ukro-centric few yrs back.

    I complained & got on fine afterwards, but anyone pretending this place hasn't changed since 2018 or thereabouts is lying. A lot of old commentators either left or have thankfully reached discord. I sympathize with both the Bravery of the Ukrainians & the Geo-political ambitions of the Rus which are well out-lined here: https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

    This went from an international place to a mostly Slavic one, and that's fine. Mirrors Tolya's move East. ;)

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    Ask on the discord

    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos. I’ll pass.
    With it, feels like Akarlin’s return to his ideological roots with the likes of Oliver D Smith, Mark Steyn readers and that ‘PUA’ women-respecter with a head like Red Dwarf’s Kryten.

    It is odd though. Karlin abandons his blog, and a short while later, echoes the same uncritical triumphalism he mocked in writers like ‘The Saker’ for years. I mean a lot of people who wish the best for an independent Russia immediately saw the commencement of this invasion as an unavoidable castastrophe.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos.
     
    Is that a comment on Discord in general or specifically on Karlin's forum there (I have experience with neither...sher singh mentioned that you're not allowed to insult other commenters there, which strikes me as very questionable)?

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    My mistake not to have kept you banned after your inexcusable smears about me in relation to a certain film review. Yet another demonstration of how no good deed (forgiveness in this case) ever goes unpunished.

    But also a vindication of my decision to distance myself from this absolute viper's den.

    , @Lolcow of the day
    @Yevardian


    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos.
     
    You forgot to mention creepy men attracted to 14 year olds:

    https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Anatoly_Karlin#Sexual_attraction_to_young_teenage_girls
    https://trad-news.blogspot.com/2021/10/14-year-old-girl-respecter-anatoly.html

  152. There is usually an attempt to distinguish between businessmen and oligarchs.

    Oligarchs are wealthy because of political/security connections, “state capture” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capture) .

    Whereas businessman is wealthy, somehow because of their own entrepreneurship.

    There is retail banker Tinkov trying to claim he and Galitsky (founder of supermarket chain now owned by Lavrov’s Israeli son-in-law), are the only not oligarchs in Russia, due to lack of political connection. This is my paraphrase of his new post.

    It’s an example where he has the hand in the biscuit jar for too long, and the now a jar has closed, before he could safely the remove the biscuit and hand to London.

    Most of his money is in America and London, and his children live in London, as British citizens. But he didn’t exit his business before the jar closes, and now much of his wealth will be in rubles.

    For more apparently “prepping” people, here Boris Yeltsin’s granddaughter, who has likely inherited some unknown vast wealth as a product of state capture of the Yeltsin family.

    There is a hand and biscuits (or hundreds of millions of dollars) safely removed from political problems jar of the postsoviet space. Don’t even have to make the account private.

  153. sher singh says:


    [MORE]

    Respect the dead, and those who go to die. For they are foremost,

    ਉੱਤਮ ਮੱਧਮ ਅਧਮ ਹੈ ਜੋਧਾ ਤੀਨ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ । ਅਭ੍ਯਾਸੈ ਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਨਿ ਹਤਨਿ ਨਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਤਿ ਬਾਰੰਬਾਰੁ ।26।

    Warriors are of three types; Highest; Intermediate; and Lowest. A warrior is one who daily hones their skills, for extended periods of time practicing with their weapons how to kill.

    ਟਿਕੈ ਜੰਗ ਲਰਤਾ ਰਹੈ, ਬਾਮ ਦਾਹਨੇ ਹੋਇ । ਸਨਮੁਖ ਹਤੈ ਕਿ ਹੇਲ ਮਹਿਂ ਸ਼ੱਤ੍ਰੁ ਬਿਨਾਸੈ ਜੋਇ ।27।

    That [lowest] warrior who holds firm in his position, [does not take a step back/retreat] covers his left and right. Facing the enemy straight on, these warriors destroy their enemy.

    ਟਿਕੇ ਜੰਗ ਮਹਿਂ ਅੱਗ੍ਰ ਵਧਿ ਮਾਰਹਿ ਰਿਪੁ ਕੋ ਧਾਇ । ਮੱਧਮ ਜੋਧਾ ਜਾਨੀਏ ਪਰ ਦਲ ਦੇਇ ਚਲਾਇ ।28।

    That warrior who can remain firm in his position, and push forward; killing the enemy while pouncing forward, recognize them as intermediate warriors who can make the opposing armies run.

    ਭਾਜ੍ਯੋ ਪਰ ਦਲ ਦੇਖਿਕੈ ਦੇ ਧ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਭਿਨਿ ਹਟਾਇ । ਫਿਰੈ ਆਪ ਰਿਪੁ ਸਮੁਖ ਹਤਿ ਉੱਤਮ ਲਖਹੁ ਸੁਭਾਇ ।29।

    Upon seeing ones army lose ranks and run, [that Warrior] who can instill steadfastness and courage into them, turning them around and destroying the enemy head on – Recognize these warriors as the highest.

    ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਤਾਪ ਸੂਰਜ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ, ਰੁੱਤ 5, ਅਧਿਆਇ 40

    ਕ੍ਰਿਤ: ਮਹਾਂਕਵੀ ਸੰਤੋਖ ਸਿੰਘ

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  154. @sudden death
    @Gerard1234

    Looks like you share the same psycho drugs dealer with Karlin now, lol

    Anyways even if living in fantasy land it shows your lowly ungrateful inner nature - instead being respectfuly thankful to us for being the cause to implement oh so succesful impressive victorious superbly planned and executed Operation Z, you're angrily hallucinating instead when seeing this great RF march ;)

    Such lack of joyous enthusiasm at the cusp of crushing victory is very typical to Western recruited double spies so all seeing eyes and hands of RF motherland agencies should very deservedly bring you under trial soon.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    As Dmitri hinted at, I really don’t think you should take all Gerard’s posts at face value, he is a Zhirik-like figure, and one of the most knowledgeable commenters here, under his clown persona.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yevardian

    Considering that both Putin and Biden reads this blog, no much surprise that Zhirik does it too and even goes further with occasional postings, especially when waking up from coma now :)

  155. @Barbarossa
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The thing that I admired most about AK's blog was his ability to foster such a diverse and (usually) collegial collection of viewpoints. I felt that this was a very positive reflection of AK and something he had a right to be very proud of. While the commentariat was not a direct offshoot of his ideological work, it was still something rather special that coalesced around him and his writing. The fact that so many open threads have continued without him is an oblique tribute to him.

    It seems clear that AK does not feel the same and has moved on to other priorities, though it's too bad that he has taken a hostile attitude. It seems that he could have moved on to his other future works and priorities without burning bridges from his past.

    Regardless, I still deeply appreciate the writing and generosity of spirit the AK has exhibited on the blog in the past, and wish him the best in whatever he lays his hand to.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Twinkie

    I didn’t read Anatoly Karlin regularly, but checked in once in a while. I bemoaned his leaving on record, especially coming right after Audacious Epigone shutting down his blog.

    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.

    His last several comments on Unz seem extremely ungracious, especially to his previous audience who helped to grow whatever prominence he has now. It smacks of burning bridges with a past employer now that he has a new employer (so to speak), i.e. “All the readers who pay to read me moved with me to Substack, so screw the rest of you on Unz who criticize my writings – you are all just a bunch of Ukrainian Fascist shills!”

    He also seems to have gone “full Putin,” writing Baghdad Bob-like propaganda such as attributing Russian failures or difficulties to naivete or “Christ-like” gentleness of the Russian politico-military leaders rather than tactical/operational failures or strategic miscalculations.

    Although I was not sympatico with many of his views, I previously held him in relatively high regard as a truth-seeker, so I am disappointed in his latest online iteration. Nonetheless, I wish him well and hope he comes out well of the end of whatever is going on in Russia today.

    • Replies: @Johann Ricke
    @Twinkie


    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.
     
    He who pays the piper calls the tune, and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. Big thinkers gotta eat, too. Audience-wise, my guess is the highly-committed tend to pay the bills, whereas the less highly-committed tend not to.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Twinkie

    Please don't lie. The Discord is free, Substack is not my employer, and my relations with Ron are perfectly fine so far as I'm aware.

    While somewhat appreciated, I have no need for your well-wishes, save them for those who need them.

    As I keep saying, shock and disbelief: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/367103075

    Replies: @Twinkie

  156. @Dmitry
    @Yevardian

    Gerard writes subtle posts with multi-levels of meaning, for a small circle of cognoscenti, which may not actually exist here to interpret them.

    Sometimes he loses the discipline to hide his sophistication, shows his real personality, starts writing about Oscar Peterson's fingering innovations of the left hand, or a progression of catenaccio tactics in 1980s Italian football.

    If Gerard is not careful, you know he would start to explain about his interest in the early theological writings of Hegel, or the effect of Bösendorfer's engineers in the Yamaha CFX range.

    When Gerard is writing "Master" above, he is satirizing the neurological situation shown recently by the old moderator of this forum.

    This "Master Master", is reference to a character "Renfield", in the story of "Dracula" by Bram Stoker.

    Renfield is usually calmly eating insects, in his room in London insane asylum. In peaceful times, Renfield is able to have almost normal discussions about his master (Dracula) with the psychologists, and happy to sit alone, eat rats and dream about his master's plans.

    But when the evil approaches to civilized London, then Renfield's brain is flooded with neurotransmitters and excitement. Suddenly, can not anymore speak normally to people, but just shouts in short, not coherent sentences "Master Master".

    The analogy is perfect for the recent experiences caused to our forum discussions, before Ron Unz has returned freedom of speech. But I'm not surprised that Gerard is thinking the same, and he was the first martyr of a lighter censorship here.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Believe it or not, you might recall that I would often rally to Gerard’s defense whenever Karlin would ban him from making comments, although I enjoyed poking fun at some of his ideas. What was most disgusting about the man, was his acidic style, that could never offer him any congeniality points. We both thought highly of the music of Chick Corea (I remember you being a fan too), so he couldn’t be all bad. 🙂

  157. @Yevardian
    @sudden death

    As Dmitri hinted at, I really don't think you should take all Gerard's posts at face value, he is a Zhirik-like figure, and one of the most knowledgeable commenters here, under his clown persona.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Considering that both Putin and Biden reads this blog, no much surprise that Zhirik does it too and even goes further with occasional postings, especially when waking up from coma now 🙂

    • Agree: Yevardian
  158. Thanx, Putler! 😉

    As recently as a year ago, many Americans did not know what to make of Ukraine — if they knew anything about it at all. One-third of voters couldn’t say whether it was friendly or unfriendly to the U.S.

    Not anymore.

    In a striking — if perhaps not surprising — shift over the last year and since Russia’s invasion, an overwhelming majority of Americans now say Ukraine is a friendly country. In a new YouGov survey, 81 percent of Americans say Ukraine is either friendly or an ally, a figure that rivals or even exceeds that of many longtime U.S. allies like France or Japan. Only Britain, Canada and Australia earned more favorable ratings from voters.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/03/12/upshot/ukraine-russia-ally-enemy.html

  159. @songbird
    Not sure that the US would try a hard bifurcation, if China invaded Taiwan.

    One really big rub is that the Chinese are propping up the US college system with foreign students. If they were ever pulled, then many colleges might fail. And the college system is basically part of the blank-slatist ideology that the US is committed to. It is the darling of the regime ideologues, who have the idea that we all just need a little more education.

    But, maybe, we are already past peak in the trend, due to Covid and BLM and the number of Chinese students is decreasing where they might be relatively rare in another ten years. Probably Xi is not thinking about it. BTW, his daughter went to Harvard.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yellowface Anon

    If American colleges continue their debasement Chinese institutions might gain prestige for maintaining their intellectual rigor, at least in STEM. Russian ones too, if you don’t mind being locked out of the Western Noosphere. Accelerationism is good!

  160. Another motorcade by Serbians in support of the Russian anti-Nazi intervention in the Ukraine

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/second-pro-russia-rally-held-in-belgrade/

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Commentator Mike

    Has Vučić said anything on the invasion? Would he welcome Russian troops and his country being absorbed into the Great Slavic Empire, if they rolled across NATO member Romania?

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

  161. @Yevardian
    @Gerard1234

    I had assumed 'suddendeath' was American.
    Anyway, ditto Ukraine, but Lithuania has a long history and very distinct identity (with closest existing language to Proto Indo-European in grammar/phonology), after Balts were annexed in the Great Northern War they kept (or rather, their German overlords) far-ranging autonomy and local institutions. Not fair to compare them with something as manufactured as the modern Ukrainian state.


    Lukashenko was motivated to be able to give Russia an extra point of attack through their own border, one which if it didnt exist then Operation Z certainly wouldn’t have happened.
     
    All the same Luka has been very cautious (or rather, Putin has be careful not to embarrass him), although as Dmitri pointed out, the Belarusian army has zero combat experience.

    Unclear his patriot-level, but even “neutral” level is a huge improvement on the deluge of cretinism that anglo/western audiences are being brainwashed with.
     
    Well, he's lived outside of Russia for a very long time, and apparently has absolutely zero desire to return (as you don't either?), for understandable reasons. It's clear enough he was horrified and blindsided by the outbreak of kinetic war, as any sensible person would be, but doesn't care much for the Ukrainian kakistocracy either. I also don't really see any winners in this.

    @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg


    Here’s something scoffers are trying to sort out: Why did Putin play along with the COVID scam? IF he’s such a rebel and enemy of the WEF total control scheme, why did he never question it until now and only in the context of what really amounts to an intra-Russo-Slavic civil war?
     
    Based retard.

    Replies: @sher singh, @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    I actually linked Putin’s appearance in the WEF – if you believe the WEF is omnipotent, the war in Ukraine “could be” the 2nd stage of the Great Reset by imploding the energy and food markets. But they can’t even stop BoJo from getting rid of NHS COVID Pass and Austria suspending the vaccine mandate. They’re a cruel joke.

  162. @Commentator Mike
    Another motorcade by Serbians in support of the Russian anti-Nazi intervention in the Ukraine

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/second-pro-russia-rally-held-in-belgrade/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Has Vučić said anything on the invasion? Would he welcome Russian troops and his country being absorbed into the Great Slavic Empire, if they rolled across NATO member Romania?

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    @Yellowface Anon

    The Serbian government has condemned the Russian invasion by voting against Russia in the UN like most countries.

  163. @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    I saw your comment before Karlin deleted it, and posted a reply - which was not published but trashed :)

    And none of it was pro-Ukraine propoganda - well, maybe in the "larger sense" because it was critical of Karlin :)

    Anyways, the gist of my comment was basically that Karlin in my opinion hasn't so much changed, as finally developed the full implications of his core world view.

    In a sense, we are all living in apocalyptic times - apocalyptic means, I understand, "to reveal".

    Apocalyptic times come at the end, after you've been following a line of development for very long, and finally standing forth fully revealed before you, is what you were developing into.

    That is when you can clearly see if you were on the right, or the wrong, path.

    Not just Karlin, but the entire "modernized world", our civilization itself, are facing apocalyptic times, where it is revealed what path we had been on.

    As I said before, transgender and Woke, the epidemic of anxiety and depression sweeping the modernized world, the nihilistic boredom of Russia that leads it to launch pointless wars, the stories coming out of China of people dying of heart attacks and pregnant women losing babies, denied care over "Zero Covid" policies - all this was the inevitable result of trying to live against nature and God.

    But it is only at the end of the line of development, that you can clearly see what you were becoming.

    And these apocalyptic times are only beginning - more and more, we will "see ourselves" and be horrified.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @HenryBaker

    A reply to a previous comment of yours:

    Anyways, why do the Russians seem to be doing literally everything so terribly from an optics point of view, down to their propoganda – as I said before, showing respect for Ukrainian bravery would actually look so much better than calling it things like “fanatical resistance” that must be punished etc, as Karlin does.

    It’s a war, of course they’ll fight back. This is bad? And the whole manipulation thing, the whole we’ll force you to be our brothers thing…

    This language can only occur in a weird post-modern setting like ours, and moreover is the language of psychopathic manipulation that is so characteristic of our times.

    There is nothing post-modern nor psychopathic about this way of talking and thinking. The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it’s just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or ‘fanatical’) is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars. We also called resistance there ‘lawless’ or ‘fanatical’ and tried to delegimitize the nationalist project by focusing on a few worst elements (like the Russians are now doing with Azov, we did with communists fighting in the ranks).

    The Russians categorically deny that Ukrainians can either think for themselves or deserve any sort of self-legitimation. To do so, they must mentally frame the Ukrainians as infantile, fanatical, or traitorous and degenerate. That’s all quite normal human psychology. Anatoly’s first insistence that Ukrainian resistance would quickly evaporate, and then a switch to calling it ‘fanatical’ or whatever, mirrors decolonization war rhetoric almost 100%. It will, of course, never be acknowledged that Ukrainians have little good experience under the Russian umbrella. ‘They just don’t know what’s good them’.

    Your idea that our time is one of ‘psychopathic manipulation’ is ungrounded in the sense that manipulation by a ruling power has always been around and has always been intense. That is of course the Marxist critique of religion in the modern state. I guess our propaganda may just be more intense, more aimed at doubt than conviction, and more disorienting.

    Also, a general comment: I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of ‘your brain on nationalism’. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It’s a shame.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Thanks: German_reader, AaronB
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @HenryBaker

    You focus too much on the optics. There is very little about Ukraine-Russia situation that resembles colonialism. Would we use colonial analogies with England-Scotland or Canada-Quebec? This is a different beast.

    There is also no single Ukrainian view: there are Ukie nationalists, some going all the way to the Nazi-like Azov (minority). There are pro-Russian Ukrainians, thinking of themselves as Russians in Ukraine, or sometimes just Russians - they were a majority in the east and south, half of the country. People who claim that Maidan (based in Kiev and the Galicia) or the war have changed it don't understand how identity works - it takes a longer to change, we are who we are. There is a quiet majority of non-committed who mostly want peace, and always eventually go with the winning side.

    It is not a colonial situation and Russia doesn't say that there is no Ukrainian nation - the Western propaganda exaggerates to score cheap points. It is much simpler: Russia refuses to allow a militant, NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders. Those who pretended for 14 years that Kiev will join NATO and allowed it for 8 years to bomb Donbas killing 10k civilians are now scrambling for a new narrative. What actually happened is not a good story for the West, so it has been forgotten.

    Wars clarify things. First they create massive polarization, people yell at each other. We would prefer for this not to take place. But how could this be resolved? Russia had a very clear red line - no anti-Russia run by NATO from Kiev on its borders, NATO's insisted on ignoring it. Today that insistence is not something that anyone in the West wants to remember - they either try to deny it outright, or say that it was all empty talk, or that it was in the far away future. Or they say that nothing matters now and we must just focus on the war and the suffering. That is dishonest, narratives by omission are lying narratives.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @Mr. Hack
    @HenryBaker


    The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it’s just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or ‘fanatical’) is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars.
     
    In a very real sense the decoupling of Ukraine from Russia is a decolonization war, that's been going on at least from the beginning of the 20th century.

    I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of ‘your brain on nationalism’. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It’s a shame.
     
    Karlin has never presented himself to the world as anything other than a Russian nationalist. This new aggression of Russia's in Ukraine has provided him an opportunity to give full vent to all of his pent up Russian aspirations. I agree, that it's a shame, for it seems to be taking him down a very unsavory road. For him, it's a vindication of his Triune theories that I was never able to get him to fully explain in very much detail over the years. Funny thing is, that his Triune theory, if it had been used correctly, could have been used to greater aplomb if it had been presented as something other than a dictat. But now?.....

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @AaronB
    @HenryBaker

    I would still say though that this is the language of psychopathic manipulation, but it's useful to be reminded that this started in the mid-20th century.

    There was a reason that era produced the novel 1984, the great novel about mind control and manipulation practiced by the state.

    The mid-20th century saw the advent of a new basis for politics, "managerialism" rather than "values based" politics.

    Managerialism is a philosophy of politics that seeks to scientifically "manage" every social and political dimension for the purpose of control without moral considerations, rather than seeing politics as the great arena in which the contest over values or national glory play out on a grand scale.

    Politics is now something to be controlled and micromanaged, not an arena for the expression of and struggle over higher values or even "lower values" like national vigor and glory.

    In other words, another tragic loss of dimension and slimification of life as modernity continued to march through the institutions.

    Of course, in such a politics, "managing" perceptions and trying to convince your opponent he he has no right to resist your attempts to violate him, rather than finding your glory in the ability of your will to overcome his will, which implies a genuine contest, is the name of the game.

    But as I said before, it's terrible psychology from the "managerial" perspective - such contempt stiffens resolve.

    But it is seemingly just as necessary for an imperialistic power to adopt this contempt, because it ties in to the very reasons for imperialism in a deep way.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

  164. @Gerard1234
    @Ron Unz

    Ron Unz,

    You should be totally ashamed of yourself. Karlin (NYT-listed writer) should not have his methods infringed on like this.

    Ukraine or Ukrainianism is solely a Deathcult. Nothing else .
    By definition there is nothing "pro-ukrainan" to be censored, because "supporting" something by willing it to deathcult itself out of existence, and be "proud" of its history - as a constant, loser deathcult - is oxymoronic. So Karlin is not doing any censorship.

    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin - its 2 historic "enemies" who they blame for everything

    It has a fake moronic National Orthodox church........created by Americans and Catholics

    As a retard, it views itself as a "victim" of Russian "imperialism" - an idiotic nonsensical statement because 404 is a gift receiver FROM Russia of about EIGHT different sections of land fron SIX different countries that they did not ask, fight or even lobby for. Its as artificial as a botched Michael Jackson facelift

    Its freakshow "ideology" is taken from the west of the fake country - even though Galicia has absolutely ZERO connection to "Ukrainian" architecture, cuisine, folksongs, dances, clothing, Dnieper, Black sea coast, Zaporozhian Cossacks or anything

    In light of this and much more, plus the idioticly high amount of fakes by ukrops/CIA /MI6 of military "peremoga" these last 2 weeks, and that there is basically no English-language pro-ukraine, or galician-reject blogger on the Internet, exactly because they know they would have to do mass censorship because of the ease it is to disintegrate their BS........ should give special allowance to (NYT-listed) Karlin.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    Ukraine is a fake, failed state created by Lenin and Stalin – its 2 historic “enemies” who they blame for everything

    Algeria is a creation of the French, Indonesia was created by the Dutch. Didn’t help us win the war. When Indonesia rose up we called nationalism there fake as countless languages are spoken there and Indonesia had had no national existence before us. Yet the uprising against us was massive and Indonesia still exists.

  165. colonelcassad.livejournal.com – Russian source – Yandex translation edited (warning – dead and injured in photographs)
    Strike at Donetsk. 14.03.2022

    March 14, 12:44

    As a result of the “Tochka-U” strike on the centre of Donetsk, 20 people were killed (most likely more), including children. There are also a large number of wounded. The missile was heading for the centre of Donetsk, the air defence most likely operated too late and the missile was shot down actually over the city centre. As a result, the cluster munition mowed down people on the streets. In the event of a rocket falling in the centre of the city, there would be even more victims.
    Obviously, there were no serious military facilities here, just a terrorist attack with the aim of killing civilians. Which Ukraine has systematically committed for 8 years in the Donbass. Sensing approaching defeat, the Ukrainian Nazis simply seek to leave behind even more victims and destruction.

    Materials from the centre of Donetsk are also posted in the TC – https://t.me/boris_rozhin (be careful, there is an 18+ video)

  166. “Vzglyad” Russian website – Yandex translation edited

    A mercenary from the United States ended up at the Yavorovsky training ground during a missile strike

    March 14, 2022, 04:07

    Text: Anton Antonov
    During the Russian missile strike on the territory of the Yavorovsky training ground in Ukraine, there were also American militants there, according to American media.

    The New York Times reports that the American asked not to be named for security reasons. He told the publication that he had previously worked with explosives in Iraq. According to him, the sound of the Russian strike was similar to the fall of a jet plane, the roofs of buildings caught fire, people started screaming.

    The Russian army on Sunday morning, with high-precision long-range weapons, struck the training centres of the armed forces of Ukraine in the village of Starichi and at the Yavorovsky military training ground, up to 180 foreign mercenaries and a large batch of foreign weapons were destroyed.

  167. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2rfim4XEtA&ab_channel=%D0%9C%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8

    Russian Su-25 survives Ukrainian missile hit. Pilot describes incident. I used to think solid hits from missiles on aircraft were almost invariably fatal in the jet age, but obviously they are not.

    • Thanks: James of Africa
  168. According to ColonelCassad, the Banderites targeted the city center of Donetsk with a SRBM. That’s an indicative of their desperation. Russian spearheads started to block escape routes to the west and the big aggrupation of Ukr forces west of Donetsk seems doomed.

    As a result of the Tochka-U attack on the center of Donetsk, 20 people were killed (probably more), including children. Also a large number of wounded. The missile went to the center of Donetsk, the air defense probably worked late and the missile was shot down over the center of the city. As a result, cluster munitions wiped out people in the streets. If a rocket fell in the center of the city, there would be even more victims.
    Obviously, there were no serious military installations here, just terrorists aiming to kill civilians. That Ukraine systematically committed 8 years in the Donbass. Sensing impending defeat, the Ukrainian Nazis are simply eager to leave more casualties and destruction in their wake.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Aedib


    The missile went to the center of Donetsk, the air defense probably worked late and the missile was shot down over the center of the city. As a result, cluster munitions wiped out people in the streets. If a rocket fell in the center of the city, there would be even more victims.
     
    Is there anybody with a slight military knowledge at all? Tocka rocket in airflight was shot down, but yet somehow was able to do a cluster munition attack? If I'm not mistaken, these type of rockets are meant only to blow up effectively when reaching the target on the ground, but not when shot in midflight.
    , @AP
    @Aedib

    Ukrainians claim it was an errant DNR missile and that a Ukrainian ones are a different color (I am not saying saying this necessary true).

    At any rate, by the time this war started, civilian casualties have been down to about 2 dozen a year. According to the UN, 18 total from January to October 2021. Of those, -15 caused by Ukrainians, -3 by rebels. Deaths were mostly collateral damage from both sides shooting at each other with Donbas militants being in more populated areas .

    Given the low intensity and low casualties, this was no justification for an invasion of the entire country that had already taken abut 1,600 lives per UN (this number will climb).

  169. @Aedib
    According to ColonelCassad, the Banderites targeted the city center of Donetsk with a SRBM. That’s an indicative of their desperation. Russian spearheads started to block escape routes to the west and the big aggrupation of Ukr forces west of Donetsk seems doomed.

    As a result of the Tochka-U attack on the center of Donetsk, 20 people were killed (probably more), including children. Also a large number of wounded. The missile went to the center of Donetsk, the air defense probably worked late and the missile was shot down over the center of the city. As a result, cluster munitions wiped out people in the streets. If a rocket fell in the center of the city, there would be even more victims.
    Obviously, there were no serious military installations here, just terrorists aiming to kill civilians. That Ukraine systematically committed 8 years in the Donbass. Sensing impending defeat, the Ukrainian Nazis are simply eager to leave more casualties and destruction in their wake.
     

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP

    The missile went to the center of Donetsk, the air defense probably worked late and the missile was shot down over the center of the city. As a result, cluster munitions wiped out people in the streets. If a rocket fell in the center of the city, there would be even more victims.

    Is there anybody with a slight military knowledge at all? Tocka rocket in airflight was shot down, but yet somehow was able to do a cluster munition attack? If I’m not mistaken, these type of rockets are meant only to blow up effectively when reaching the target on the ground, but not when shot in midflight.

  170. A123 says: • Website

    More evidence that the EU is doomed: (1)

    At a time when war rages in Ukraine, the European Parliament is busy voting on gender-neutral toilets, Annika Bruna, MEP for the French National Rally, complained in a tweet.

    “Dear friends, while there is a war raging in Eastern Europe, the healthcare crisis has consequences that could destroy the country and inflation threatens us, the European Parliament is busy discussing the issue of its own toilets,” Bruna said. “In fact, yesterday the majority of deputies voted on an analysis of the composition of the toilets in (the European) Parliament, on how to account for all person’s needs and the necessity of gender-neutral toilets

    Even if Zelensky manages to get Ukraine into the EU, how does that help? Carbon Taxes? Emissions trading? Bathroom design?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://rmx.news/egyeb/while-war-rages-in-ukraine-european-parliament-votes-on-gender-neutral-toilets/

  171. @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    I agree.
    Ask on the discord lot of people are pissed the board going Ukro-centric few yrs back.

    I complained & got on fine afterwards, but anyone pretending this place hasn't changed since 2018 or thereabouts is lying. A lot of old commentators either left or have thankfully reached discord. I sympathize with both the Bravery of the Ukrainians & the Geo-political ambitions of the Rus which are well out-lined here: https://akarlin.com/struggle-europe-mankind/

    This went from an international place to a mostly Slavic one, and that's fine. Mirrors Tolya's move East. ;)

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Yevardian, @Barbarossa

    I’m unqualified to judge the change in the board pre-2018 since I wasn’t around that much prior. I gravitated more toward AE anyhow prior to his leaving and landed here since it was the only worthwhile commenting section left at UNZ.

    Regardless of how the board has shifted over 3 or 4 years, the change in AK’s attitude seems quite recent and precipitous, as Mr. Hack points out.

    Personally, I find it somewhat interesting to see the partisans on both sides spar, even if it is a somewhat futile exercise. It’s really not like AP or Mr. Hack are content-free trolls, even if they are staunch Ukrainian boosters. Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter, but they are usually both well rounded commenters.

    Besides, what would be the point of a “Rah Rah Russia” echo chamber? That just sounds boring, like some pro-Russian version of the Breitbart comment section. I like seeing the true believers on both sides along with the agnostics trapped in the same room.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa


    Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter,
     
    I never use Twitter, and only view its contents here at this blog when somebody occasionally copy/pastes it over to here. I find that its layout and commenting features are way too stiff and inflexible. I don't use facebook either for similar reasons and am also weary of the way its manipulated for marketing purposes. I used to be involved in a project that would mine LinkedIn for similar marketing purposes, so I know how it's done.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Used to be a more generically RW blog until Trump turned out a wet noodle. Hence, the Slavic shift.
    Look through some of his old posts, although Karlin admits he covered most topics more than once.

    Global IQ, HBD, Comprehensive Military Power, Great Bi-Furcation attract a broader crowd.
    Open threads also used to be a list of major happenings or posts across the broader Right-Leaning blogosphere.

  172. Airbursts just over the ground can be as lethal as those that actually strike the ground. The late interception was in mid-flight but probably close enough to the ground for casualties to occur. The Ukrainians in the east, now more or less trapped, probably can’t target anything more sophisticated than the centre of a city and don’t mind killing civilians anyway.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wielgus


    probably can’t target anything more sophisticated than the centre of a city and don’t mind killing civilians anyway.

     

    For whatever reasons RF forces seem to be doing exactly the same anyway:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tdvf4v/moment_of_missile_impact_in_kurenivka_district/

    Replies: @Aedib, @sudden death

  173. @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    I'm unqualified to judge the change in the board pre-2018 since I wasn't around that much prior. I gravitated more toward AE anyhow prior to his leaving and landed here since it was the only worthwhile commenting section left at UNZ.

    Regardless of how the board has shifted over 3 or 4 years, the change in AK's attitude seems quite recent and precipitous, as Mr. Hack points out.

    Personally, I find it somewhat interesting to see the partisans on both sides spar, even if it is a somewhat futile exercise. It's really not like AP or Mr. Hack are content-free trolls, even if they are staunch Ukrainian boosters. Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter, but they are usually both well rounded commenters.

    Besides, what would be the point of a "Rah Rah Russia" echo chamber? That just sounds boring, like some pro-Russian version of the Breitbart comment section. I like seeing the true believers on both sides along with the agnostics trapped in the same room.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sher singh

    Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter,

    I never use Twitter, and only view its contents here at this blog when somebody occasionally copy/pastes it over to here. I find that its layout and commenting features are way too stiff and inflexible. I don’t use facebook either for similar reasons and am also weary of the way its manipulated for marketing purposes. I used to be involved in a project that would mine LinkedIn for similar marketing purposes, so I know how it’s done.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    My bad, sorry. I had a brain fart and was thinking of Dmitry in previous threads with the endless Twitter embeds.

    I'm not on Twitter or FB either, so I fully agree with your points on that. This is really about the extent of my online social presence.

    I never understood the point of LinkedIn. I set up a profile years ago, which I suppose lives on in zombie form. It seemed primarily a forum for pointless posturing and imaginary status gaining.

    I would imagine that once you see how the data collection sausage is made, you can never bring yourself to enjoy it the same way again.

    Replies: @sher singh

  174. @HenryBaker
    @AaronB

    A reply to a previous comment of yours:


    Anyways, why do the Russians seem to be doing literally everything so terribly from an optics point of view, down to their propoganda – as I said before, showing respect for Ukrainian bravery would actually look so much better than calling it things like “fanatical resistance” that must be punished etc, as Karlin does.
     

    It’s a war, of course they’ll fight back. This is bad? And the whole manipulation thing, the whole we’ll force you to be our brothers thing…

    This language can only occur in a weird post-modern setting like ours, and moreover is the language of psychopathic manipulation that is so characteristic of our times.
     

    There is nothing post-modern nor psychopathic about this way of talking and thinking. The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it's just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or 'fanatical') is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars. We also called resistance there 'lawless' or 'fanatical' and tried to delegimitize the nationalist project by focusing on a few worst elements (like the Russians are now doing with Azov, we did with communists fighting in the ranks).

    The Russians categorically deny that Ukrainians can either think for themselves or deserve any sort of self-legitimation. To do so, they must mentally frame the Ukrainians as infantile, fanatical, or traitorous and degenerate. That's all quite normal human psychology. Anatoly's first insistence that Ukrainian resistance would quickly evaporate, and then a switch to calling it 'fanatical' or whatever, mirrors decolonization war rhetoric almost 100%. It will, of course, never be acknowledged that Ukrainians have little good experience under the Russian umbrella. 'They just don't know what's good them'.

    Your idea that our time is one of 'psychopathic manipulation' is ungrounded in the sense that manipulation by a ruling power has always been around and has always been intense. That is of course the Marxist critique of religion in the modern state. I guess our propaganda may just be more intense, more aimed at doubt than conviction, and more disorienting.


    Also, a general comment: I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of 'your brain on nationalism'. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It's a shame.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    You focus too much on the optics. There is very little about Ukraine-Russia situation that resembles colonialism. Would we use colonial analogies with England-Scotland or Canada-Quebec? This is a different beast.

    There is also no single Ukrainian view: there are Ukie nationalists, some going all the way to the Nazi-like Azov (minority). There are pro-Russian Ukrainians, thinking of themselves as Russians in Ukraine, or sometimes just Russians – they were a majority in the east and south, half of the country. People who claim that Maidan (based in Kiev and the Galicia) or the war have changed it don’t understand how identity works – it takes a longer to change, we are who we are. There is a quiet majority of non-committed who mostly want peace, and always eventually go with the winning side.

    It is not a colonial situation and Russia doesn’t say that there is no Ukrainian nation – the Western propaganda exaggerates to score cheap points. It is much simpler: Russia refuses to allow a militant, NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders. Those who pretended for 14 years that Kiev will join NATO and allowed it for 8 years to bomb Donbas killing 10k civilians are now scrambling for a new narrative. What actually happened is not a good story for the West, so it has been forgotten.

    Wars clarify things. First they create massive polarization, people yell at each other. We would prefer for this not to take place. But how could this be resolved? Russia had a very clear red line – no anti-Russia run by NATO from Kiev on its borders, NATO’s insisted on ignoring it. Today that insistence is not something that anyone in the West wants to remember – they either try to deny it outright, or say that it was all empty talk, or that it was in the far away future. Or they say that nothing matters now and we must just focus on the war and the suffering. That is dishonest, narratives by omission are lying narratives.

    • Agree: Pharmakon
    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Beckow


    There is also no single Ukrainian view
     
    The same in decolonization wars, where there was a large mass of uncommitted 'natives', especially in rural areas. Nationalists were roughly divided in a nationalist, communist, and islamist camp (I think both in Indonesia and Algeria).

    There are pro-Russian Ukrainians, thinking of themselves as Russians in Ukraine, or sometimes just Russians – they were a majority in the east and south, half of the country.
     
    Algeria had French and harkis, Indonesia had Ambonese, Chinese, Dutch minorities...

    There is a quiet majority of non-committed who mostly want peace, and always eventually go with the winning side.
     
    Like I said, it was the same in Indonesia. However the majority doesn't decide anything, since the apathethic mass just has no decisive influence. Nationalist grip on the villages was more tight (they routinely executed or removed collaborating mayors). This once again reminds me of Ukraine although Ukies don't seem as hardcore.

    Russia doesn’t say that there is no Ukrainian nation, not a colonial situation
     
    In Indonesia, we accepted the possibility of an Indonesian state. But officers would have to be Dutch, with our Dutch queen as head of state, a federal, not unitary model... We accepted a state but it would have to be dependent. The indonesians could not stomach a dependent state and so they fought for unconditional independence. It's still very similar to Ukraine now imo.

    'Russia doesn't say there's no Ukrainian nation', the problem is Russia is treating Ukraine as an errant extension of the Russian state/people. The nationalist side (of which Karlin and guys in tg channels or Twitter are representative) routinely and casually deny the Ukrainian right to statehood and think of them as delusional, larping 'small Russians' that have to be dragged back into the fold, kicking and screaming. Putin in his latest speeches has echoed this sentiment. If you say 'Russians and Ukrainians are one people' you more or less deny Ukraine is meaningfully a separate nation. We also thought of the Indonesians as to be dragged back into the fold, kicking and screaming, by the way.


    Russia refuses to allow a militant, NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders
     
    Dumb propaganda peddled by Russia to make its invasion of an independent state seem defensive and therefore more legitimate. That's when it's not saying out of the side of its mouth 'also Ukraine is a NATO regime that we can replace when we want, and Ukrainians are not a separate people'. The Russia 'club' (Chechnya, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and maybe soon Ukraine) has all been dragged in by its hair. What a great defensive alliance! I wonder how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO? They sure joined quickly! I wonder which old (imperial) overlord they were afraid of

    A colonial empire or a Tsarist/Soviet empire- what does it matter. It's still an empire, with all the disregard for small nations that entails.

    Btw there was no Scottisch independence war...

    Replies: @Beckow, @siberiancat

  175. @Wielgus
    Airbursts just over the ground can be as lethal as those that actually strike the ground. The late interception was in mid-flight but probably close enough to the ground for casualties to occur. The Ukrainians in the east, now more or less trapped, probably can't target anything more sophisticated than the centre of a city and don't mind killing civilians anyway.

    Replies: @sudden death

    probably can’t target anything more sophisticated than the centre of a city and don’t mind killing civilians anyway.

    For whatever reasons RF forces seem to be doing exactly the same anyway:

    Moment of missile impact in Kurenivka district, Kyiv, Ukraine on 14.03.22 from CombatFootage

    • Replies: @Aedib
    @sudden death

    You are desperately trying to whitewash the war crime of the Banderites. Anyway, they are doomed. Better for them to surrender to the Russians. Donbass militia will not have mercy.

    , @sudden death
    @sudden death

    Strike aftermath area with obliterated nazi-banderite lampost&green citybus:

    https://twitter.com/Klitschko/status/1503349955091701767

  176. @sudden death
    @Wielgus


    probably can’t target anything more sophisticated than the centre of a city and don’t mind killing civilians anyway.

     

    For whatever reasons RF forces seem to be doing exactly the same anyway:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/tdvf4v/moment_of_missile_impact_in_kurenivka_district/

    Replies: @Aedib, @sudden death

    You are desperately trying to whitewash the war crime of the Banderites. Anyway, they are doomed. Better for them to surrender to the Russians. Donbass militia will not have mercy.

    • Agree: Wielgus
  177. So you concede that the Ukrainians were deliberately trying to kill civilians. Their shooting at Donbass over years has rarely been an exercise in precise targeting. But if they regard the people there as treacherous Moskals and katsap, this explains it.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Wielgus

    Somebody can concede or not only when having strike target coordinates and nobody has them atm, so any firesure claims are all meant just for propaganda purposes and to stir the rage and fury and nothing else.

    Replies: @A123

  178. @Wielgus
    So you concede that the Ukrainians were deliberately trying to kill civilians. Their shooting at Donbass over years has rarely been an exercise in precise targeting. But if they regard the people there as treacherous Moskals and katsap, this explains it.

    Replies: @sudden death

    Somebody can concede or not only when having strike target coordinates and nobody has them atm, so any firesure claims are all meant just for propaganda purposes and to stir the rage and fury and nothing else.

    • Replies: @A123
    @sudden death


    Somebody can concede or not only when having strike target coordinates and nobody has them
     
    Even that is not enough. One has to know what is in the building, not its nameplate on the outside. Combatants repurpose buildings. Muslim terrorists occupying Jewish Palestine hide in press offices and use UN schools as munitions dumps.

    The destruction of a 100% civilian building may not equal intent. One of the issues with some modern weapons is optical targeting on final approach. They look for the shape of the building to avoid being mislead by spurious GPS signals. Sounds good. Right? What happens if the target is damaged, obscured, or otherwise does not have the anticipated shape? The munition winds up striking a nearby building that is the right shape.

    Mistakes happen during combat. Deadly ones. The only way to avoid those mistakes is to prevent the war before it starts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars

  179. A123 says: • Website

    Those trying to support the Ukrainian side have been engaged rather obvious Pallywood charades. For example (1)

    The propaganda out of the Ukraine/Hollywood association is continuing unabated. In a Twitter video today, pushed by Buzzfeed Journalist Christopher Miller {SEE HERE}, the claim is, “President Zelensky walked to a hospital today to visit wounded Ukrainian soldiers and award them with state honors for their sacrifices.”

    However, alert researchers noted {SEE HERE} the woman to Zelenskyy’s left, in the video, is a physician named Inna Derusova. She was reported to have died on February 26th.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-Hoax-2.jpg

    As we said from the outset, do not take anything at face value. Question everything that is being presented. The level of western propaganda to support the intents of the U.S./NATO and multinational community are extreme.

    TechnoFog took a look at the Mariupol maternity hospital story. That too looks faked and manufactured for western media consumption intended to influence the mind of U.S. and allied citizens

    The other story of the U.S. journalist shot and killed today?… Also, very sketchy.

    Follow the link below for more detail on the other two fabrications.

    The Fake Stream Media (CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT) have been losing credibility and viewers for some time. Uncritically accepting fictional war stories accelerates the process.

    “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” — Abraham Lincoln

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/13/another-round-of-ukraine-hoaxes-discovered/

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    So, even if the photo was misused, didn't Zelensky actually visit the hospital? All of this fuss, just to try and discredit Zelensky? It's too bad that Putler doesn't have the guts to visit his own injured soldiers or even help to obtain the corpses of his dying soldiers so that they can be properly buried.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

  180. @HenryBaker
    @AaronB

    A reply to a previous comment of yours:


    Anyways, why do the Russians seem to be doing literally everything so terribly from an optics point of view, down to their propoganda – as I said before, showing respect for Ukrainian bravery would actually look so much better than calling it things like “fanatical resistance” that must be punished etc, as Karlin does.
     

    It’s a war, of course they’ll fight back. This is bad? And the whole manipulation thing, the whole we’ll force you to be our brothers thing…

    This language can only occur in a weird post-modern setting like ours, and moreover is the language of psychopathic manipulation that is so characteristic of our times.
     

    There is nothing post-modern nor psychopathic about this way of talking and thinking. The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it's just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or 'fanatical') is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars. We also called resistance there 'lawless' or 'fanatical' and tried to delegimitize the nationalist project by focusing on a few worst elements (like the Russians are now doing with Azov, we did with communists fighting in the ranks).

    The Russians categorically deny that Ukrainians can either think for themselves or deserve any sort of self-legitimation. To do so, they must mentally frame the Ukrainians as infantile, fanatical, or traitorous and degenerate. That's all quite normal human psychology. Anatoly's first insistence that Ukrainian resistance would quickly evaporate, and then a switch to calling it 'fanatical' or whatever, mirrors decolonization war rhetoric almost 100%. It will, of course, never be acknowledged that Ukrainians have little good experience under the Russian umbrella. 'They just don't know what's good them'.

    Your idea that our time is one of 'psychopathic manipulation' is ungrounded in the sense that manipulation by a ruling power has always been around and has always been intense. That is of course the Marxist critique of religion in the modern state. I guess our propaganda may just be more intense, more aimed at doubt than conviction, and more disorienting.


    Also, a general comment: I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of 'your brain on nationalism'. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It's a shame.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it’s just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or ‘fanatical’) is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars.

    In a very real sense the decoupling of Ukraine from Russia is a decolonization war, that’s been going on at least from the beginning of the 20th century.

    I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of ‘your brain on nationalism’. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It’s a shame.

    Karlin has never presented himself to the world as anything other than a Russian nationalist. This new aggression of Russia’s in Ukraine has provided him an opportunity to give full vent to all of his pent up Russian aspirations. I agree, that it’s a shame, for it seems to be taking him down a very unsavory road. For him, it’s a vindication of his Triune theories that I was never able to get him to fully explain in very much detail over the years. Funny thing is, that his Triune theory, if it had been used correctly, could have been used to greater aplomb if it had been presented as something other than a dictat. But now?…..

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah but it seems to me that the RusNat side overruled his autistic HBD research side (rationalism) more and more as time went by. For gods sake, how much of a nationalist can you really be, blogging in English all the time for your cosmopolitan audience?

    The triune theory makes sense to me, personally. But remember, Americans and British were also more or less one people (in a cultural sense) when the Americans tore themselves free in a very convincing manner. Culture simply isn't everything.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

  181. @Yellowface Anon
    @Commentator Mike

    Has Vučić said anything on the invasion? Would he welcome Russian troops and his country being absorbed into the Great Slavic Empire, if they rolled across NATO member Romania?

    Replies: @Commentator Mike

    The Serbian government has condemned the Russian invasion by voting against Russia in the UN like most countries.

  182. @Beckow
    @HenryBaker

    You focus too much on the optics. There is very little about Ukraine-Russia situation that resembles colonialism. Would we use colonial analogies with England-Scotland or Canada-Quebec? This is a different beast.

    There is also no single Ukrainian view: there are Ukie nationalists, some going all the way to the Nazi-like Azov (minority). There are pro-Russian Ukrainians, thinking of themselves as Russians in Ukraine, or sometimes just Russians - they were a majority in the east and south, half of the country. People who claim that Maidan (based in Kiev and the Galicia) or the war have changed it don't understand how identity works - it takes a longer to change, we are who we are. There is a quiet majority of non-committed who mostly want peace, and always eventually go with the winning side.

    It is not a colonial situation and Russia doesn't say that there is no Ukrainian nation - the Western propaganda exaggerates to score cheap points. It is much simpler: Russia refuses to allow a militant, NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders. Those who pretended for 14 years that Kiev will join NATO and allowed it for 8 years to bomb Donbas killing 10k civilians are now scrambling for a new narrative. What actually happened is not a good story for the West, so it has been forgotten.

    Wars clarify things. First they create massive polarization, people yell at each other. We would prefer for this not to take place. But how could this be resolved? Russia had a very clear red line - no anti-Russia run by NATO from Kiev on its borders, NATO's insisted on ignoring it. Today that insistence is not something that anyone in the West wants to remember - they either try to deny it outright, or say that it was all empty talk, or that it was in the far away future. Or they say that nothing matters now and we must just focus on the war and the suffering. That is dishonest, narratives by omission are lying narratives.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    There is also no single Ukrainian view

    The same in decolonization wars, where there was a large mass of uncommitted ‘natives’, especially in rural areas. Nationalists were roughly divided in a nationalist, communist, and islamist camp (I think both in Indonesia and Algeria).

    There are pro-Russian Ukrainians, thinking of themselves as Russians in Ukraine, or sometimes just Russians – they were a majority in the east and south, half of the country.

    Algeria had French and harkis, Indonesia had Ambonese, Chinese, Dutch minorities…

    There is a quiet majority of non-committed who mostly want peace, and always eventually go with the winning side.

    Like I said, it was the same in Indonesia. However the majority doesn’t decide anything, since the apathethic mass just has no decisive influence. Nationalist grip on the villages was more tight (they routinely executed or removed collaborating mayors). This once again reminds me of Ukraine although Ukies don’t seem as hardcore.

    Russia doesn’t say that there is no Ukrainian nation, not a colonial situation

    In Indonesia, we accepted the possibility of an Indonesian state. But officers would have to be Dutch, with our Dutch queen as head of state, a federal, not unitary model… We accepted a state but it would have to be dependent. The indonesians could not stomach a dependent state and so they fought for unconditional independence. It’s still very similar to Ukraine now imo.

    ‘Russia doesn’t say there’s no Ukrainian nation’, the problem is Russia is treating Ukraine as an errant extension of the Russian state/people. The nationalist side (of which Karlin and guys in tg channels or Twitter are representative) routinely and casually deny the Ukrainian right to statehood and think of them as delusional, larping ‘small Russians’ that have to be dragged back into the fold, kicking and screaming. Putin in his latest speeches has echoed this sentiment. If you say ‘Russians and Ukrainians are one people’ you more or less deny Ukraine is meaningfully a separate nation. We also thought of the Indonesians as to be dragged back into the fold, kicking and screaming, by the way.

    Russia refuses to allow a militant, NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders

    Dumb propaganda peddled by Russia to make its invasion of an independent state seem defensive and therefore more legitimate. That’s when it’s not saying out of the side of its mouth ‘also Ukraine is a NATO regime that we can replace when we want, and Ukrainians are not a separate people’. The Russia ‘club’ (Chechnya, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and maybe soon Ukraine) has all been dragged in by its hair. What a great defensive alliance! I wonder how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO? They sure joined quickly! I wonder which old (imperial) overlord they were afraid of

    A colonial empire or a Tsarist/Soviet empire- what does it matter. It’s still an empire, with all the disregard for small nations that entails.

    Btw there was no Scottisch independence war…

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @HenryBaker

    Your Indonesian analogy suffers from two basic problems:
    - Indonesia is more than 10k km from Netherlands; Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
    - Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc...) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population, In Indonesia or Algeria the combined settlers, 'harkis', Chinese minority, etc... were at most 5-10%.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas - you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.

    Your answer to: "Russia refuses to allow a militant NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders" is an incoherent rant saying nothing. You deny the obvious:
    - NATO on Russia's border would be a threat to Russia. Denying it after West invaded Russia again and again (including the Dutch SS) is like denying a nose between your eyes. You cannot admit it because it would be admitting that NATO policy for 15+ years has been provocative. It has finally led to a war. Happy now?


    ...how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO
     
    In east-central Europe countries were told that they have to join NATO before they can be in EU. So they did, the average support was luke-warm 40-50% - nobody asked to be in NATO (maybe Poland), but we had to be.

    Scots fought English through 18th century. An older history, older nations.

    Replies: @AP, @HenryBaker

    , @siberiancat
    @HenryBaker

    The Russian use of the term nationality, the nation is very different from the one common to the West
    It is more of ethnicity.

    In this sense wouldn't you agree that the Germans and the Austrians are the same ethnos?

    Replies: @Yevardian

  183. @A123
    Those trying to support the Ukrainian side have been engaged rather obvious Pallywood charades. For example (1)

    The propaganda out of the Ukraine/Hollywood association is continuing unabated. In a Twitter video today, pushed by Buzzfeed Journalist Christopher Miller {SEE HERE}, the claim is, “President Zelensky walked to a hospital today to visit wounded Ukrainian soldiers and award them with state honors for their sacrifices.”

    However, alert researchers noted {SEE HERE} the woman to Zelenskyy’s left, in the video, is a physician named Inna Derusova. She was reported to have died on February 26th.
     

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-hoax-1.jpg
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Ukraine-Hoax-2.jpg

    As we said from the outset, do not take anything at face value. Question everything that is being presented. The level of western propaganda to support the intents of the U.S./NATO and multinational community are extreme.
    ...
    TechnoFog took a look at the Mariupol maternity hospital story. That too looks faked and manufactured for western media consumption intended to influence the mind of U.S. and allied citizens
    ...
    The other story of the U.S. journalist shot and killed today?… Also, very sketchy.
     
    Follow the link below for more detail on the other two fabrications.

    The Fake Stream Media (CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT) have been losing credibility and viewers for some time. Uncritically accepting fictional war stories accelerates the process.

    "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time." — Abraham Lincoln

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/13/another-round-of-ukraine-hoaxes-discovered/

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So, even if the photo was misused, didn’t Zelensky actually visit the hospital? All of this fuss, just to try and discredit Zelensky? It’s too bad that Putler doesn’t have the guts to visit his own injured soldiers or even help to obtain the corpses of his dying soldiers so that they can be properly buried.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    So, even if the photo was misused, didn’t Zelensky actually visit the hospital
     
    Putin has visited injured people. Are you 100% good with those pictures being "misused" for propaganda purposes?

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. -- John Ray

    A serious issue with the Twitterverse is that propaganda has been taken out of the hands of those can be held accountable. Fabrications can be injected from anywhere.

    PEACE 😇

     
    http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2014/01/01/Russia-Explosion-38.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    It’s quite significant. If the info you are getting is two weeks out of date in a war. You are being played.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  184. From the more recent open thread that now appears to be closed:

    It’s noteworthy that the foreign fighters Ukraine is getting are not mercenaries but volunteers, and not from a foreign civilizational sphere.

    That’s funny – I just read a western mass media piece about how Ukrainians are demanding foreign fighters sign indefinite contracts (for \$230 a month, lol), and a good number are refusing and leaving the country.

    https://archive.ph/2022.03.11-135510/https://www.economist.com/1843/2022/03/11/fighters-with-ukraines-foreign-legion-are-being-asked-to-sign-indefinite-contracts-some-have-refused

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  185. @Mr. Hack
    @HenryBaker


    The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it’s just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or ‘fanatical’) is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars.
     
    In a very real sense the decoupling of Ukraine from Russia is a decolonization war, that's been going on at least from the beginning of the 20th century.

    I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of ‘your brain on nationalism’. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It’s a shame.
     
    Karlin has never presented himself to the world as anything other than a Russian nationalist. This new aggression of Russia's in Ukraine has provided him an opportunity to give full vent to all of his pent up Russian aspirations. I agree, that it's a shame, for it seems to be taking him down a very unsavory road. For him, it's a vindication of his Triune theories that I was never able to get him to fully explain in very much detail over the years. Funny thing is, that his Triune theory, if it had been used correctly, could have been used to greater aplomb if it had been presented as something other than a dictat. But now?.....

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    Yeah but it seems to me that the RusNat side overruled his autistic HBD research side (rationalism) more and more as time went by. For gods sake, how much of a nationalist can you really be, blogging in English all the time for your cosmopolitan audience?

    The triune theory makes sense to me, personally. But remember, Americans and British were also more or less one people (in a cultural sense) when the Americans tore themselves free in a very convincing manner. Culture simply isn’t everything.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @HenryBaker

    As I previously pointed out:


    Funny thing is, that his Triune theory, if it had been used correctly, could have been used to greater aplomb if it had been presented as something other than a diktat. But now?…..
     
    Unfortunately, this unproved theory is now being used to shell and bomb ("shock and disbelief") hospitals, churches and civilian neighborhoods. How smart is that?

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @AaronB
    @HenryBaker

    Well, he's not quite a nationalist, but something else.

    On the other thread he said that Russia only has value to him if it wins, that losers don't interest him, and that if Russia loses he will transfer his allegiance to China or India - whichever seems better poised to pursue his "Cosmist" dream.

    So it's a kind of religious/salvific/ideological mishmash of the kind modernity produces, that has elements of nationalism to some degree but lacks the deep, irrational, thymotic commitment to ones home and nation in victory or defeat, and crucially, a long term commitment.

    It isn't cynical power hunger either. The Russian nation is a vehicle for his Cosmist vision, but no more.

    Apparently, from what I could glean on the internet, Cosmism is an ideology that has growing influence among the Russian elite, so however crazy Karlin seems to us he is likely tapping into genuine and growing currents among the Russian ruling class.

    Another Russian commenter here, mal, is also a Cosmist.

    In this fight, the Ukrainians are the genuine nationalists, and the American far right are - once again - supporting imperialism and a radical revolutionary ideology that seeks to transform the world through technology lol :)

    See also the recent Temple to Mars Russia built and tried to pass off as Orthodox, when it is obviously anti--Christian and pagan in feel and tone.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh

  186. A123 says: • Website
    @sudden death
    @Wielgus

    Somebody can concede or not only when having strike target coordinates and nobody has them atm, so any firesure claims are all meant just for propaganda purposes and to stir the rage and fury and nothing else.

    Replies: @A123

    Somebody can concede or not only when having strike target coordinates and nobody has them

    Even that is not enough. One has to know what is in the building, not its nameplate on the outside. Combatants repurpose buildings. Muslim terrorists occupying Jewish Palestine hide in press offices and use UN schools as munitions dumps.

    The destruction of a 100% civilian building may not equal intent. One of the issues with some modern weapons is optical targeting on final approach. They look for the shape of the building to avoid being mislead by spurious GPS signals. Sounds good. Right? What happens if the target is damaged, obscured, or otherwise does not have the anticipated shape? The munition winds up striking a nearby building that is the right shape.

    Mistakes happen during combat. Deadly ones. The only way to avoid those mistakes is to prevent the war before it starts.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
    @A123

    No, I have it on good authority (BBC!) that every time the Russians allegedly+ hit an allegedly+ non-military target it's on purpose. Of course, this is often only heavily implied ("attacked," which connotes intent, instead of, for example, "struck," which doesn't).

    +"Allegedly" is my addition; BBC almost never hedges like that. Uncertainty is for Russian bots like myself.

    The entirety of BBC's coverage is like this. One of their correspondents in Ukraine said they were "neutral" yesterday, I laughed out loud. The shamelessness is breathtaking.

  187. @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah but it seems to me that the RusNat side overruled his autistic HBD research side (rationalism) more and more as time went by. For gods sake, how much of a nationalist can you really be, blogging in English all the time for your cosmopolitan audience?

    The triune theory makes sense to me, personally. But remember, Americans and British were also more or less one people (in a cultural sense) when the Americans tore themselves free in a very convincing manner. Culture simply isn't everything.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    As I previously pointed out:

    Funny thing is, that his Triune theory, if it had been used correctly, could have been used to greater aplomb if it had been presented as something other than a diktat. But now?…..

    Unfortunately, this unproved theory is now being used to shell and bomb (“shock and disbelief”) hospitals, churches and civilian neighborhoods. How smart is that?

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack


    unproved theory
     
    You cannot 'prove' objectively that two cultures are 'one people' as there is a voluntaristic element to forming a nation. Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That's the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities. Americans and British are not one people, British are not 'small Americans', yet I can come up with all sort of stories about why they really are but are just delusional, or whatever. Claiming they should nevertheless be united cannot be proven, and is always just political propaganda (just like insisting they should be separate). That's because a nation is a feeling, a voluntaristic association, based on some objective fact, some mythmaking. But not in and of itself an objective reality.

    The Dutch nation exists as separate from the Flemish nation because the Flemish live in land we could not conquer from the Spanish. That's literally the only reason. We did occupy some catholic land and we more or less pressed the Dutch identity on them over time. So not even religion is the real difference. Just association and time. If I now go around claiming the Flemish are just delusional 'small Dutch' without knowing it and should really be annexed NOW without their consent; that they have no right to statehood, or whatever... That's obviously just a political narrative. Even if the 'triune' idea makes sense, that does not mean Ukrainians must be forced to associate with Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

  188. @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa


    Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter,
     
    I never use Twitter, and only view its contents here at this blog when somebody occasionally copy/pastes it over to here. I find that its layout and commenting features are way too stiff and inflexible. I don't use facebook either for similar reasons and am also weary of the way its manipulated for marketing purposes. I used to be involved in a project that would mine LinkedIn for similar marketing purposes, so I know how it's done.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    My bad, sorry. I had a brain fart and was thinking of Dmitry in previous threads with the endless Twitter embeds.

    I’m not on Twitter or FB either, so I fully agree with your points on that. This is really about the extent of my online social presence.

    I never understood the point of LinkedIn. I set up a profile years ago, which I suppose lives on in zombie form. It seemed primarily a forum for pointless posturing and imaginary status gaining.

    I would imagine that once you see how the data collection sausage is made, you can never bring yourself to enjoy it the same way again.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Barbarossa

    Lot of jobs on LinkedIn.

  189. @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack

    Yeah but it seems to me that the RusNat side overruled his autistic HBD research side (rationalism) more and more as time went by. For gods sake, how much of a nationalist can you really be, blogging in English all the time for your cosmopolitan audience?

    The triune theory makes sense to me, personally. But remember, Americans and British were also more or less one people (in a cultural sense) when the Americans tore themselves free in a very convincing manner. Culture simply isn't everything.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    Well, he’s not quite a nationalist, but something else.

    On the other thread he said that Russia only has value to him if it wins, that losers don’t interest him, and that if Russia loses he will transfer his allegiance to China or India – whichever seems better poised to pursue his “Cosmist” dream.

    So it’s a kind of religious/salvific/ideological mishmash of the kind modernity produces, that has elements of nationalism to some degree but lacks the deep, irrational, thymotic commitment to ones home and nation in victory or defeat, and crucially, a long term commitment.

    It isn’t cynical power hunger either. The Russian nation is a vehicle for his Cosmist vision, but no more.

    Apparently, from what I could glean on the internet, Cosmism is an ideology that has growing influence among the Russian elite, so however crazy Karlin seems to us he is likely tapping into genuine and growing currents among the Russian ruling class.

    Another Russian commenter here, mal, is also a Cosmist.

    In this fight, the Ukrainians are the genuine nationalists, and the American far right are – once again – supporting imperialism and a radical revolutionary ideology that seeks to transform the world through technology lol 🙂

    See also the recent Temple to Mars Russia built and tried to pass off as Orthodox, when it is obviously anti–Christian and pagan in feel and tone.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    This ideology promoted as the casus "belli" (casus "special operation") in relation to Ukraine, for the Kremlin is not nationalism, but anti-nationalism.

    As I wrote, already, the politically correct ideology in Russia is imperialism, even "Moscow imperialism". Of course, all these ideologies in the postsoviet space are fakes which are created from the top-down, by the government.

    Russian Federation is a multinational country, especially in its elite, and nationalism would tear it from the inside. So, Russian nationalism has become the most repressed and illegal ideology in Russia for 15 years at least. You will go to prison if you touch this.

    Communism is also not possible to promote, from the perspective of the elite, as the raison d'être of the postsoviet, are its wealthy elite and their control on society. This is the reason for everything in postsoviet space, is the people at the top of society (at least the top 0,01%, if not the top 0,001%), and their control of the people on the bottom.

    Whereas Russian imperialism, has been promoted as an official ideology, for the last decades, as this is a politically possible direction that usually doesn't threaten to the rulers, except until it now has included costs of some sanctions.

    In terms of Ukraine, there has been an actually kind of "normal" essay written by Dugin, who is usually incoherent.

    I don't know if LatW wants to translate https://tsargrad.tv/articles/gvozd-v-kryshku-groba-ukronacizma-aleksandr-dugin-raskryl-kto-takie-ukraincy-2_509841

    He is actually writing in a clear way about this branch of the Russian imperialism ideology promoted by the Kremlin of the last decade to present a "surface justification" with its violent relations to the Ukrainian nationality.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AaronB

    , @sher singh
    @AaronB

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/953025081888608286/515966.jpg

    Nothing new about a Jew insulting the Gods, seems you're overdue for a Shoah.
    Mohammad also had a Jewish mother. ;)


    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363024196796426/912980031049986068/IMG_3838.png

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  190. @Mr. Hack
    @HenryBaker

    As I previously pointed out:


    Funny thing is, that his Triune theory, if it had been used correctly, could have been used to greater aplomb if it had been presented as something other than a diktat. But now?…..
     
    Unfortunately, this unproved theory is now being used to shell and bomb ("shock and disbelief") hospitals, churches and civilian neighborhoods. How smart is that?

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    unproved theory

    You cannot ‘prove’ objectively that two cultures are ‘one people’ as there is a voluntaristic element to forming a nation. Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That’s the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities. Americans and British are not one people, British are not ‘small Americans’, yet I can come up with all sort of stories about why they really are but are just delusional, or whatever. Claiming they should nevertheless be united cannot be proven, and is always just political propaganda (just like insisting they should be separate). That’s because a nation is a feeling, a voluntaristic association, based on some objective fact, some mythmaking. But not in and of itself an objective reality.

    The Dutch nation exists as separate from the Flemish nation because the Flemish live in land we could not conquer from the Spanish. That’s literally the only reason. We did occupy some catholic land and we more or less pressed the Dutch identity on them over time. So not even religion is the real difference. Just association and time. If I now go around claiming the Flemish are just delusional ‘small Dutch’ without knowing it and should really be annexed NOW without their consent; that they have no right to statehood, or whatever… That’s obviously just a political narrative. Even if the ‘triune’ idea makes sense, that does not mean Ukrainians must be forced to associate with Russians.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: sher singh
    • Replies: @AP
    @HenryBaker

    You are correct here and in your other posts but I will point out that the differences (linguistic and cultural) between Ukrainians and Russians is more like between Dutch and Germans than between Flemish and Dutch or between English and American.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @HenryBaker

    The Triune theory is about civilizational spheres and not Westphalian nation-states. Nation-states and historically determined divisions are to be overcome.

    , @sher singh
    @HenryBaker

    'Sovereign, rational' individuals enter voluntary agreements which can be changed by conquerors.
    That's more batshit insane & nonsensical than Laxa's rambling. Bitches > Bitch-made niggas.

    Slaves 'voluntarily' accept & rationalize the status quo because that's their nature. Angloesque Whites merely larp as if they're not slaves til the next Brown Family moves in.

    So much venom towards Karlin imagine being this offended by someone who loves their motherland. Who's doing the hating? Jews, Amerimutts, Limeys, Khohols & Kardashians.

    Ukraine gonna be saved from the Bantu expansion & whether u get bent about it or not is 'voluntary'

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    , @Coconuts
    @HenryBaker

    Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That’s the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities.
     

    AFAIK Renan's ideas were fairly controversial, geography and environment was an essential factor in the break between the US and the Britain, and that had a lot to do with determining the wills of the British and Americans around this issue. I thought the Flemings remained independent due to the influence of larger European powers who made sure that they didn't join the Netherlands.

    Just using these names to illustrate a point, if the Flemings shared a religion with the Dutch, as well as language and so on, but were being kept independent by the subsidies of a third power (say France), which had on-going bad relations with the Netherlands and did not wish it's population well, Dutch invasion of the territory of the Flemings could well be justified if it was clear that the French cared neither about the common good of the Dutch, nor that of the Flemings, and were just using the latter in an instrumental way. United, sharing language, culture, religious, ethnic ties, the Flemings and Dutch should have a better chance of realising their common good than when divided by mercenary foreigners and factionalist interests in the latter's pay. This angle may even tip the scales and make an invasion a moral obligation.

    Also, the idea that things like popular consent or the 'democratic will' are essential to (or actually the basis of) nationhood is another political narrative, which can be switched out for other accounts of the basis of the legitimacy of political authority and association.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

  191. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    So, even if the photo was misused, didn't Zelensky actually visit the hospital? All of this fuss, just to try and discredit Zelensky? It's too bad that Putler doesn't have the guts to visit his own injured soldiers or even help to obtain the corpses of his dying soldiers so that they can be properly buried.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    So, even if the photo was misused, didn’t Zelensky actually visit the hospital

    Putin has visited injured people. Are you 100% good with those pictures being “misused” for propaganda purposes?

    What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. — John Ray

    A serious issue with the Twitterverse is that propaganda has been taken out of the hands of those can be held accountable. Fabrications can be injected from anywhere.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I don't know where you managed to find that photo, but it looks really staged to me. First Putin the historian, now Putin the MD?

    BTW, once you finish your posturing, I'd be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!

    Replies: @A123

  192. @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    Ask on the discord
     
    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos. I'll pass.
    With it, feels like Akarlin's return to his ideological roots with the likes of Oliver D Smith, Mark Steyn readers and that 'PUA' women-respecter with a head like Red Dwarf's Kryten.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/kryten-8f09c27e-cd80-4070-8a5c-9a4cc500bca-resize-750.jpeg

    It is odd though. Karlin abandons his blog, and a short while later, echoes the same uncritical triumphalism he mocked in writers like 'The Saker' for years. I mean a lot of people who wish the best for an independent Russia immediately saw the commencement of this invasion as an unavoidable castastrophe.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anatoly Karlin, @Lolcow of the day

    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos.

    Is that a comment on Discord in general or specifically on Karlin’s forum there (I have experience with neither…sher singh mentioned that you’re not allowed to insult other commenters there, which strikes me as very questionable)?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just the platform in general, its strongly catered to a child audience, or adults that think like children. No I haven't been to Karlin's /pol/-reddit mashup server (apparently half the comments are people calling each other cucks) lol.
    I was recommended it for practicing speaking/listening comprehension in rarer languages a while ago.

    I also have younger siblings and relatives that use it.

    Replies: @German_reader

  193. What will Russia buy with its rupees? Indian medicine?

  194. @HenryBaker
    @AaronB

    A reply to a previous comment of yours:


    Anyways, why do the Russians seem to be doing literally everything so terribly from an optics point of view, down to their propoganda – as I said before, showing respect for Ukrainian bravery would actually look so much better than calling it things like “fanatical resistance” that must be punished etc, as Karlin does.
     

    It’s a war, of course they’ll fight back. This is bad? And the whole manipulation thing, the whole we’ll force you to be our brothers thing…

    This language can only occur in a weird post-modern setting like ours, and moreover is the language of psychopathic manipulation that is so characteristic of our times.
     

    There is nothing post-modern nor psychopathic about this way of talking and thinking. The way the Russians talk about Ukrainians now (it's just a fake state, no right to exist, resistance is either illegitimate or 'fanatical') is almost identical to how Europeans talked about nationalist revolutionaries in the decolonization wars. We also called resistance there 'lawless' or 'fanatical' and tried to delegimitize the nationalist project by focusing on a few worst elements (like the Russians are now doing with Azov, we did with communists fighting in the ranks).

    The Russians categorically deny that Ukrainians can either think for themselves or deserve any sort of self-legitimation. To do so, they must mentally frame the Ukrainians as infantile, fanatical, or traitorous and degenerate. That's all quite normal human psychology. Anatoly's first insistence that Ukrainian resistance would quickly evaporate, and then a switch to calling it 'fanatical' or whatever, mirrors decolonization war rhetoric almost 100%. It will, of course, never be acknowledged that Ukrainians have little good experience under the Russian umbrella. 'They just don't know what's good them'.

    Your idea that our time is one of 'psychopathic manipulation' is ungrounded in the sense that manipulation by a ruling power has always been around and has always been intense. That is of course the Marxist critique of religion in the modern state. I guess our propaganda may just be more intense, more aimed at doubt than conviction, and more disorienting.


    Also, a general comment: I believe Anatolys recent change of heart is mostly just a symptom of 'your brain on nationalism'. The more nationalist you get, the more unreasonable. It's a shame.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    I would still say though that this is the language of psychopathic manipulation, but it’s useful to be reminded that this started in the mid-20th century.

    There was a reason that era produced the novel 1984, the great novel about mind control and manipulation practiced by the state.

    The mid-20th century saw the advent of a new basis for politics, “managerialism” rather than “values based” politics.

    Managerialism is a philosophy of politics that seeks to scientifically “manage” every social and political dimension for the purpose of control without moral considerations, rather than seeing politics as the great arena in which the contest over values or national glory play out on a grand scale.

    Politics is now something to be controlled and micromanaged, not an arena for the expression of and struggle over higher values or even “lower values” like national vigor and glory.

    In other words, another tragic loss of dimension and slimification of life as modernity continued to march through the institutions.

    Of course, in such a politics, “managing” perceptions and trying to convince your opponent he he has no right to resist your attempts to violate him, rather than finding your glory in the ability of your will to overcome his will, which implies a genuine contest, is the name of the game.

    But as I said before, it’s terrible psychology from the “managerial” perspective – such contempt stiffens resolve.

    But it is seemingly just as necessary for an imperialistic power to adopt this contempt, because it ties in to the very reasons for imperialism in a deep way.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @AaronB

    I dunno, you already have weird geo-political security propaganda all the way back in Caesars book on Gaul. Imperial powers have always formulated ways of thinking that delegitimize the right of small nations to exist. Don't forget that humans are some of the most manipulative beings on the planet. Nothing to do with psychopathy. We constantly lie to ourselves and lie to others. Same with manipulation.

    I agree that it has intensified and has been institutionalized, to an extent. But like I said, before this religion was arguably used as a tool to control to population. Now it's moralistic narratives.

  195. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Thanks, that is interesting. Curious how there were all these attacks on American and British bases in mainland Europe, but now it almost seems like the Left has come around to supporting American imperialism.

    Guess the IRA and ETA were still pretty active in the '80s. But maybe those count as paramilitaries? Or maybe, it just took longer for the same trends to manifest there because of remoteness or higher TFR.

    Think they had something like 50 KGB officers in East Germany, so I wouldn't necessarily call that high odds, even if the Soviets were connected. Then, again, by the fall of the Wall, Putin was a Lt. Colonel, and I believe in charge of the KGB HQ in Dresden. If anyone was dealing with them, guess it would be in the KGB files, which were successfully removed from Germany, by Putin and his subordinates. Unless he scrubbed them.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Guess the IRA and ETA were still pretty active in the ’80s. But maybe those count as paramilitaries?

    I think they were a much bigger deal. RAF was basically just a few dozen loonies aided by a few hundred supporters. It’s very strange in retrospect how West Germany went nuts over them during the Deutscher Herbst of 1977 (my father remembers traffic controls where you were approached by police with drawn machine pistols, and there was talk about re-introducing the death penalty, maybe even treating imprisoned RAF members as hostages). Whereas today the official attitude towards Islamic-inspired terrorism is much more indifferent, something you just have to tolerate. Part of the explanation is probably that RAF actually managed to kill quite a few elite representatives (the GIs and German policemen they killed don’t get mentioned much), which scared the establishment.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    Part of the explanation is probably that RAF actually managed to kill quite a few elite representatives
     
    That's a good point.

    The previous context that I put it in was that I thought the regime was different. Either more rightist (even though Helmut Schmidt was SPD, he fought in the war) or traditional. Basically, all men. And RAF was talking about patriarchy. And then there was the Cold War context, where revolution seemed more possible.

    To a certain extent, I think these revolutionaries became the regime. Not to exaggerate too much, but in America, a few of them are professors. Bill Ayers was mentioned prominently with Obama. I think a lot of their ideas have been adopted by the regime.


    RAF was basically just a few dozen loonies aided by a few hundred supporters.
     
    Maybe these terrorist organizations could be looked at as a social contagion. I expect that they were all LARPers looking to get the power of Castro or Lenin or Mao. It's an interesting mystery what caused them to decline. But, perhaps, the same trend of decline can now be seen in regards to Muslim terrorists.

    Replies: @German_reader

  196. @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack


    unproved theory
     
    You cannot 'prove' objectively that two cultures are 'one people' as there is a voluntaristic element to forming a nation. Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That's the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities. Americans and British are not one people, British are not 'small Americans', yet I can come up with all sort of stories about why they really are but are just delusional, or whatever. Claiming they should nevertheless be united cannot be proven, and is always just political propaganda (just like insisting they should be separate). That's because a nation is a feeling, a voluntaristic association, based on some objective fact, some mythmaking. But not in and of itself an objective reality.

    The Dutch nation exists as separate from the Flemish nation because the Flemish live in land we could not conquer from the Spanish. That's literally the only reason. We did occupy some catholic land and we more or less pressed the Dutch identity on them over time. So not even religion is the real difference. Just association and time. If I now go around claiming the Flemish are just delusional 'small Dutch' without knowing it and should really be annexed NOW without their consent; that they have no right to statehood, or whatever... That's obviously just a political narrative. Even if the 'triune' idea makes sense, that does not mean Ukrainians must be forced to associate with Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    You are correct here and in your other posts but I will point out that the differences (linguistic and cultural) between Ukrainians and Russians is more like between Dutch and Germans than between Flemish and Dutch or between English and American.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @AP

    As an aside, the rural parts of the Netherlands have their own, old dialects like Drenths or Gronings. Very hard or impossible to understand for the speakers of 'high' Dutch. These dialects smoothly progress into Western Plattdeutsch or 'flat' German. Therefore, there exists a linguistic group of Germans and Dutch people with more in common linguistically with each other, than either high Dutch or German. Interestingly, the urbane Flemish do seem to speak a variant of 'high' Dutch, just like we do.

    But I agree with your point. Like Ukraine, Holland too was part of a larger super-ethnic empire (the Holy Roman Empire) that seems to have had a very vaguely Germanic identity. Like Ukraine, our separation from the larger empire and ethnos is but a result of the vagaries of history (Holland is a 'coincidental' result of the patchwork inheritance of the Burgundian counts, Habsburg intra-family partitioning, and a religious civil war).

    One distinction: I'm not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism. Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us 'corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry'...

    I myself would not oppose re-unification with the Flemish at all. It would be awkward, but it would work. The Germans... nah. Too different.

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver

  197. @sudden death
    Great news:

    On Thursday, South Korean President-elect Yoon Suk Yeol vowed to take a firmer stance on North Korea and rebuild Seoul’s military alliance with Washington.

    South Koreans went to the polls and elected Yoon on Wednesday, and he will take office in May. During his campaign, Yoon accused outgoing President Moon Jae-in, a strong proponent of peaceful reunification with North Korea, of being "submissive" to Pyongyang and Beijing.

    As the US has become more focused on countering China, Washington is looking to Seoul to help. Yoon is expected to take a harder line on China and signaled that he was ready to be involved in the US’s efforts to strengthen alliances in the region as part of its strategy against Beijing.

    “I’ll rebuild the South Korea-US alliance. I’ll [make] it a strategic comprehensive alliance while sharing key values like liberal democracy, a market economy, and human rights,” Yoon said at a press conference.

    “I’ll establish a strong military capacity to completely deter any provocation,” Yoon said. “I’ll firmly deal with illicit, unreasonable behavior by North Korea in a principled manner, though I’ll always leave open the door for South-North talks.”
     
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/south-korea-elects-conservative-anti-north-hawk-president

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Fake libertarian.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Yellowface Anon

    Who, me? No way ;)

  198. @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack


    unproved theory
     
    You cannot 'prove' objectively that two cultures are 'one people' as there is a voluntaristic element to forming a nation. Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That's the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities. Americans and British are not one people, British are not 'small Americans', yet I can come up with all sort of stories about why they really are but are just delusional, or whatever. Claiming they should nevertheless be united cannot be proven, and is always just political propaganda (just like insisting they should be separate). That's because a nation is a feeling, a voluntaristic association, based on some objective fact, some mythmaking. But not in and of itself an objective reality.

    The Dutch nation exists as separate from the Flemish nation because the Flemish live in land we could not conquer from the Spanish. That's literally the only reason. We did occupy some catholic land and we more or less pressed the Dutch identity on them over time. So not even religion is the real difference. Just association and time. If I now go around claiming the Flemish are just delusional 'small Dutch' without knowing it and should really be annexed NOW without their consent; that they have no right to statehood, or whatever... That's obviously just a political narrative. Even if the 'triune' idea makes sense, that does not mean Ukrainians must be forced to associate with Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    The Triune theory is about civilizational spheres and not Westphalian nation-states. Nation-states and historically determined divisions are to be overcome.

  199. AP says:
    @Aedib
    According to ColonelCassad, the Banderites targeted the city center of Donetsk with a SRBM. That’s an indicative of their desperation. Russian spearheads started to block escape routes to the west and the big aggrupation of Ukr forces west of Donetsk seems doomed.

    As a result of the Tochka-U attack on the center of Donetsk, 20 people were killed (probably more), including children. Also a large number of wounded. The missile went to the center of Donetsk, the air defense probably worked late and the missile was shot down over the center of the city. As a result, cluster munitions wiped out people in the streets. If a rocket fell in the center of the city, there would be even more victims.
    Obviously, there were no serious military installations here, just terrorists aiming to kill civilians. That Ukraine systematically committed 8 years in the Donbass. Sensing impending defeat, the Ukrainian Nazis are simply eager to leave more casualties and destruction in their wake.
     

    Replies: @sudden death, @AP

    Ukrainians claim it was an errant DNR missile and that a Ukrainian ones are a different color (I am not saying saying this necessary true).

    At any rate, by the time this war started, civilian casualties have been down to about 2 dozen a year. According to the UN, 18 total from January to October 2021. Of those, -15 caused by Ukrainians, -3 by rebels. Deaths were mostly collateral damage from both sides shooting at each other with Donbas militants being in more populated areas .

    Given the low intensity and low casualties, this was no justification for an invasion of the entire country that had already taken abut 1,600 lives per UN (this number will climb).

  200. @German_reader
    @songbird


    Guess the IRA and ETA were still pretty active in the ’80s. But maybe those count as paramilitaries?
     
    I think they were a much bigger deal. RAF was basically just a few dozen loonies aided by a few hundred supporters. It's very strange in retrospect how West Germany went nuts over them during the Deutscher Herbst of 1977 (my father remembers traffic controls where you were approached by police with drawn machine pistols, and there was talk about re-introducing the death penalty, maybe even treating imprisoned RAF members as hostages). Whereas today the official attitude towards Islamic-inspired terrorism is much more indifferent, something you just have to tolerate. Part of the explanation is probably that RAF actually managed to kill quite a few elite representatives (the GIs and German policemen they killed don't get mentioned much), which scared the establishment.

    Replies: @songbird

    Part of the explanation is probably that RAF actually managed to kill quite a few elite representatives

    That’s a good point.

    The previous context that I put it in was that I thought the regime was different. Either more rightist (even though Helmut Schmidt was SPD, he fought in the war) or traditional. Basically, all men. And RAF was talking about patriarchy. And then there was the Cold War context, where revolution seemed more possible.

    To a certain extent, I think these revolutionaries became the regime. Not to exaggerate too much, but in America, a few of them are professors. Bill Ayers was mentioned prominently with Obama. I think a lot of their ideas have been adopted by the regime.

    RAF was basically just a few dozen loonies aided by a few hundred supporters.

    Maybe these terrorist organizations could be looked at as a social contagion. I expect that they were all LARPers looking to get the power of Castro or Lenin or Mao. It’s an interesting mystery what caused them to decline. But, perhaps, the same trend of decline can now be seen in regards to Muslim terrorists.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    It’s an interesting mystery what caused them to decline.
     
    RAF were basically just total nutcases who eventually ended up isolated even among the radical left. I think similar dynamics may apply to other far left terrorist groups of the time, e.g. iirc the Red Brigades in Italy were disappointed by the PCI's rapprochement with the Christian Democrats (an important factor in their murder of Aldo Moro) and regarded the old-fashioned commies as sell-outs...which in turn marginalized them among the communists.
    I don't know if similar dynamics apply to Islamic terrorism, it seems to me there is much more of a continuum with Islamic mass movements or regimes in power. Erdogan's people aren't exactly like IS members, but the boundaries seem somewhat fluid imo.

    Replies: @songbird

  201. Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they’ll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn’t resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone’s soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you’re in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let’s pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Triteleia Laxa


    This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese.
     
    I thought the reason was the size of the Yellow and Yangtze River Valleys, paired with barriers like the Himalayas and Gobi Desert.

    Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East.
     
    There are some number of Russians in China now, from the time of the Czar, and they seem moderately prosperous, according to local standards.

    BTW, when did your family leave the Ukraine? And have you ever gone back to visit the place?
    , @Dmitry
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Lol I know you want to write some emotional post, but I feel in a mood to correct for accuracy.


    depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

     

    Well, more like locally produced draft beers and empty rhetoric nowadays.

    they’ll settle for scamming for what material they can.

     

    Trading for commodities, is not exactly "scamming". I would agree they will receive lower prices than if the international relations was better.

    But commodity prices are mainly determined by international markets.

    So, there is now the highest spread for Urals crude compared to Brent crude, as many countries are reducing import of Russian oil. But this is discount relative to overall position of international market, and price still above $90 per barrel, which is near the multi-year high.

    sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians

     

    Although most of us could sense, for years that the postsoviet space is preparing these kind of horror shows and constructed on not very "utopian" foundations.

    In the 2020 war between Armenia and Azerbaijan was not the most recent indicator.

    Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile.

     

    You don't say anything that life style for average people in Russia, far lower compared to in wealthy Western countries.

    But you are comparing to China, where living standards are very low compared to wealthy countries. Average people in Russia, are still living better probably than average people in China, and higher than other countries in the postsoviet bloc.

    So, "bottom of the pile", is almost the opposite of the local situation, for what it is worth.

    Russia and China are at the same GDP per capita nowadays. Which is shocking for me as someone who remembers that China as a third world country. But Russia will be still at the top of the local Euroasian pile.

    https://i.imgur.com/rvXUKlJ.jpg

    that Anatoly Karlin will no longer
     
    Of course, he will be fine in relation to these recent sanctions. He technically is an American or British man. His family are Middle Eastern looking immigrants live in England.

    Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

     

    Everything is produced "top-down" in the postsoviet society. I think you imagine there is some spontaneous political positions. A decade ago, Ukrainians were presented as beloved and charming people in the media.

    What about Belarus-Ukraine relations? 2 years ago, before Lukashenko was broken, Lukashenko fanboy Max Korzh (despite lack of music talent) was popular in Kiev like.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWn4UGqrqU
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Like it or not, but what is actually going to happen is that Russia is going to return its rightful demesnes and build a great space-faring Empire, in civilizational harmony with India and the Celestial Empire.

    Meanwhile, Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place.
     
    Still waiting for martial law to be imposed:

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1499827293220388865

    Still waiting for the "Great Kremlin Firewall":

    https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1500758709164777473

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

  202. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader


    Part of the explanation is probably that RAF actually managed to kill quite a few elite representatives
     
    That's a good point.

    The previous context that I put it in was that I thought the regime was different. Either more rightist (even though Helmut Schmidt was SPD, he fought in the war) or traditional. Basically, all men. And RAF was talking about patriarchy. And then there was the Cold War context, where revolution seemed more possible.

    To a certain extent, I think these revolutionaries became the regime. Not to exaggerate too much, but in America, a few of them are professors. Bill Ayers was mentioned prominently with Obama. I think a lot of their ideas have been adopted by the regime.


    RAF was basically just a few dozen loonies aided by a few hundred supporters.
     
    Maybe these terrorist organizations could be looked at as a social contagion. I expect that they were all LARPers looking to get the power of Castro or Lenin or Mao. It's an interesting mystery what caused them to decline. But, perhaps, the same trend of decline can now be seen in regards to Muslim terrorists.

    Replies: @German_reader

    It’s an interesting mystery what caused them to decline.

    RAF were basically just total nutcases who eventually ended up isolated even among the radical left. I think similar dynamics may apply to other far left terrorist groups of the time, e.g. iirc the Red Brigades in Italy were disappointed by the PCI’s rapprochement with the Christian Democrats (an important factor in their murder of Aldo Moro) and regarded the old-fashioned commies as sell-outs…which in turn marginalized them among the communists.
    I don’t know if similar dynamics apply to Islamic terrorism, it seems to me there is much more of a continuum with Islamic mass movements or regimes in power. Erdogan’s people aren’t exactly like IS members, but the boundaries seem somewhat fluid imo.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader


    I don’t know if similar dynamics apply to Islamic terrorism, it seems to me there is much more of a continuum with Islamic mass movements or regimes in power.
     
    There's a lot of change in Muslim countries. Increasing secularism. Decreasing TFR. Arabs have made a fetish out of education and science, due to their wealth and the fact that the realities of human capital aren't pleasant.

    IIRC, the House of Saud has allowed gay propaganda on Netflix. The land of Wahhabism is now full of people with diabetes and high cholesterol. The natural asceticism of the desert has been replaced with ads for sugary desserts and fatty foods.
  203. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    So, even if the photo was misused, didn’t Zelensky actually visit the hospital
     
    Putin has visited injured people. Are you 100% good with those pictures being "misused" for propaganda purposes?

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander. -- John Ray

    A serious issue with the Twitterverse is that propaganda has been taken out of the hands of those can be held accountable. Fabrications can be injected from anywhere.

    PEACE 😇

     
    http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2014/01/01/Russia-Explosion-38.jpg

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t know where you managed to find that photo, but it looks really staged to me. First Putin the historian, now Putin the MD?

    BTW, once you finish your posturing, I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t know where you managed to find that photo, but it looks really staged to me. First Putin the historian, now Putin the MD?
     
    I searched on "Putin visits injured" and picked the first one. Apparently it is after a Muslim terror attack in Russia.

    I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!
     
    Your rigged question defies a simple answer:

     
    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/false_dichotomy_2x.png
     

    Not-The-President Biden is not a leader. He is a lobotomite puppet thing. Putin made a terrible mistake. He backed Merkel's hatred of Christianity via NS2.

    So I do not admire either one. However, Putin is the only "leader".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  204. @German_reader
    @songbird


    It’s an interesting mystery what caused them to decline.
     
    RAF were basically just total nutcases who eventually ended up isolated even among the radical left. I think similar dynamics may apply to other far left terrorist groups of the time, e.g. iirc the Red Brigades in Italy were disappointed by the PCI's rapprochement with the Christian Democrats (an important factor in their murder of Aldo Moro) and regarded the old-fashioned commies as sell-outs...which in turn marginalized them among the communists.
    I don't know if similar dynamics apply to Islamic terrorism, it seems to me there is much more of a continuum with Islamic mass movements or regimes in power. Erdogan's people aren't exactly like IS members, but the boundaries seem somewhat fluid imo.

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t know if similar dynamics apply to Islamic terrorism, it seems to me there is much more of a continuum with Islamic mass movements or regimes in power.

    There’s a lot of change in Muslim countries. Increasing secularism. Decreasing TFR. Arabs have made a fetish out of education and science, due to their wealth and the fact that the realities of human capital aren’t pleasant.

    IIRC, the House of Saud has allowed gay propaganda on Netflix. The land of Wahhabism is now full of people with diabetes and high cholesterol. The natural asceticism of the desert has been replaced with ads for sugary desserts and fatty foods.

  205. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I don't know where you managed to find that photo, but it looks really staged to me. First Putin the historian, now Putin the MD?

    BTW, once you finish your posturing, I'd be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!

    Replies: @A123

    I don’t know where you managed to find that photo, but it looks really staged to me. First Putin the historian, now Putin the MD?

    I searched on “Putin visits injured” and picked the first one. Apparently it is after a Muslim terror attack in Russia.

    I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!

    Your rigged question defies a simple answer:

      

    Not-The-President Biden is not a leader. He is a lobotomite puppet thing. Putin made a terrible mistake. He backed Merkel’s hatred of Christianity via NS2.

    So I do not admire either one. However, Putin is the only “leader”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Yeah, I kind of figured that you weren't up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. :-(

    BTW, you really need to get beyond the fact that Trump lost the election. I'm not sure about other states, but in AZ it really appears that he lost legitimately. When Gore lost the real close one, where Bush's brother was involved in cooking the books a bit (hanging chads etc), those on the other side also had to wake up and smell the coffee and move on. I didn't vote for Biden either, so I empathize with your anguish - better luck next time.

    Replies: @A123

  206. @Triteleia Laxa
    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they'll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn't resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone's soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you're in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let's pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Anatoly Karlin

    This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese.

    I thought the reason was the size of the Yellow and Yangtze River Valleys, paired with barriers like the Himalayas and Gobi Desert.

    Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East.

    There are some number of Russians in China now, from the time of the Czar, and they seem moderately prosperous, according to local standards.

    BTW, when did your family leave the Ukraine? And have you ever gone back to visit the place?

  207. Southfront:

    Azovite resistance in Mariupol crumbling. Mass evacuation of civilians started.

    https://southfront.org/breaking-main-nationalist-forces-in-mariupol-destroyed-mass-evacuation-of-civilians-began/

  208. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    So, even if the photo was misused, didn't Zelensky actually visit the hospital? All of this fuss, just to try and discredit Zelensky? It's too bad that Putler doesn't have the guts to visit his own injured soldiers or even help to obtain the corpses of his dying soldiers so that they can be properly buried.

    Replies: @A123, @Wokechoke

    It’s quite significant. If the info you are getting is two weeks out of date in a war. You are being played.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wokechoke

    This was filmed just yesterday. Much more believable than some photo that A123 provided from another war a few years back in Syria:

    https://youtu.be/hJd-Ed3jRh0

  209. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    2. The cosmist movement was obliterated totally by the commies. Except one guy whose name escapes me. One of the biggest Russian rocket scientists before they got German technology after 1945 began his career as a prominent cosmist. He turned over a new leaf when he got the big job in rockets.

    3. Cosmism is arcane. Think Hegel, Heidegger. If K knows more about it than they had a great name I would be surprised.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird, @Bill, @Philip Owen

    I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life.

    Don’t know what I would do exactly.

    But if I were standing above the bones of Isaac Newton, Leibniz, Mozart, or Helmuth von Moltke the Elder, thinking about how world IQ is 82 and dropping. How Europe seems to have run out of great men and how dysgenics seem poised to destroy everything. And if I happened to have a few spare cloning vats and confidence in my methods of education, I might just take a pick axe to the ground.

    And I’m not a cosmist or transhumanist.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    You do not know what life is. You get a fantasy of creating life from science fiction.

    Are you drunk?

    Replies: @songbird

  210. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t know where you managed to find that photo, but it looks really staged to me. First Putin the historian, now Putin the MD?
     
    I searched on "Putin visits injured" and picked the first one. Apparently it is after a Muslim terror attack in Russia.

    I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!
     
    Your rigged question defies a simple answer:

     
    https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/false_dichotomy_2x.png
     

    Not-The-President Biden is not a leader. He is a lobotomite puppet thing. Putin made a terrible mistake. He backed Merkel's hatred of Christianity via NS2.

    So I do not admire either one. However, Putin is the only "leader".

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Yeah, I kind of figured that you weren’t up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. 🙁

    BTW, you really need to get beyond the fact that Trump lost the election. I’m not sure about other states, but in AZ it really appears that he lost legitimately. When Gore lost the real close one, where Bush’s brother was involved in cooking the books a bit (hanging chads etc), those on the other side also had to wake up and smell the coffee and move on. I didn’t vote for Biden either, so I empathize with your anguish – better luck next time.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    I kind of figured that you weren’t up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. 🙁
     
    Provide a direct Yes or No answer to this question:

    Have you stopped beating your wife?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Mr. Hack

  211. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-nato-country-estonia-calls-for-immediate-establishment-of-no-fly-zone

    Pure idiocy (as is their posturing about “war crimes have to be punished”, and a roadmap for Ukrainian NATO/EU membership).

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    I'm starting to perceive no-fly-zones as a sign of degeneracy.

    Would Iraq have been invaded, without the earlier institution of a no-fly-zone? What about the bombing of Serbia? The destabilization of Libya? Those are our historical examples. In a way, each one lead to the next, and each was a slippery slope, ultimately bringing us here.

    They amount to radical egalitarianism on the battlefield. A complete distortion of the timeless reality of war, which saw strength as a virtue, or even honor in defeat. And just like each egalitarianism at home, there is a complete failure to acknowledge the costs of it, or what it could lead to. To acknowledge its true nature.

    It was only two years after the first was implemented in Iraq that the US military enacted "Don't ask, don't tell" which was the first step in mainstreaming gays in the military. And now they own the place.

    The very idea of a no-fly-zone is embracing the gorgon that is modern America.

  212. @Triteleia Laxa
    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they'll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn't resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone's soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you're in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let's pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Anatoly Karlin

    Lol I know you want to write some emotional post, but I feel in a mood to correct for accuracy.

    depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    Well, more like locally produced draft beers and empty rhetoric nowadays.

    they’ll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    Trading for commodities, is not exactly “scamming”. I would agree they will receive lower prices than if the international relations was better.

    But commodity prices are mainly determined by international markets.

    So, there is now the highest spread for Urals crude compared to Brent crude, as many countries are reducing import of Russian oil. But this is discount relative to overall position of international market, and price still above \$90 per barrel, which is near the multi-year high.

    sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians

    Although most of us could sense, for years that the postsoviet space is preparing these kind of horror shows and constructed on not very “utopian” foundations.

    In the 2020 war between Armenia and Azerbaijan was not the most recent indicator.

    Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile.

    You don’t say anything that life style for average people in Russia, far lower compared to in wealthy Western countries.

    But you are comparing to China, where living standards are very low compared to wealthy countries. Average people in Russia, are still living better probably than average people in China, and higher than other countries in the postsoviet bloc.

    So, “bottom of the pile”, is almost the opposite of the local situation, for what it is worth.

    Russia and China are at the same GDP per capita nowadays. Which is shocking for me as someone who remembers that China as a third world country. But Russia will be still at the top of the local Euroasian pile.

    that Anatoly Karlin will no longer

    Of course, he will be fine in relation to these recent sanctions. He technically is an American or British man. His family are Middle Eastern looking immigrants live in England.

    Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    Everything is produced “top-down” in the postsoviet society. I think you imagine there is some spontaneous political positions. A decade ago, Ukrainians were presented as beloved and charming people in the media.

    What about Belarus-Ukraine relations? 2 years ago, before Lukashenko was broken, Lukashenko fanboy Max Korzh (despite lack of music talent) was popular in Kiev like.

    • Thanks: Barbarossa
  213. @Wokechoke
    @Mr. Hack

    It’s quite significant. If the info you are getting is two weeks out of date in a war. You are being played.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    This was filmed just yesterday. Much more believable than some photo that A123 provided from another war a few years back in Syria:

  214. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life.
     
    Don't know what I would do exactly.

    But if I were standing above the bones of Isaac Newton, Leibniz, Mozart, or Helmuth von Moltke the Elder, thinking about how world IQ is 82 and dropping. How Europe seems to have run out of great men and how dysgenics seem poised to destroy everything. And if I happened to have a few spare cloning vats and confidence in my methods of education, I might just take a pick axe to the ground.

    And I'm not a cosmist or transhumanist.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    You do not know what life is. You get a fantasy of creating life from science fiction.

    Are you drunk?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    You do not know what life is.
     
    Why don't you define it?

    You get a fantasy of creating life from science fiction.
     
    Sure, that is where the idea of cloning comes from.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  215. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    Yeah, I kind of figured that you weren't up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. :-(

    BTW, you really need to get beyond the fact that Trump lost the election. I'm not sure about other states, but in AZ it really appears that he lost legitimately. When Gore lost the real close one, where Bush's brother was involved in cooking the books a bit (hanging chads etc), those on the other side also had to wake up and smell the coffee and move on. I didn't vote for Biden either, so I empathize with your anguish - better luck next time.

    Replies: @A123

    I kind of figured that you weren’t up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. 🙁

    Provide a direct Yes or No answer to this question:

    Have you stopped beating your wife?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @A123

    How the hell do you know that an Unz commenter is beating his wife?

    Unless Mr. hack is... Richard Spencer? That can't be, right

    Edit: nevermind I'm An idiot. But I'll leave this up so people van have a laugh

    , @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I'm not married, and when I was I never beat my wife.

    Now, it's your turn:


    I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!
     
    Not related to my question, but it seems that Trump is now starting to warm up to the "bravery" of Zelensky.

    Replies: @A123

  216. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    I kind of figured that you weren’t up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. 🙁
     
    Provide a direct Yes or No answer to this question:

    Have you stopped beating your wife?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Mr. Hack

    How the hell do you know that an Unz commenter is beating his wife?

    Unless Mr. hack is… Richard Spencer? That can’t be, right

    Edit: nevermind I’m An idiot. But I’ll leave this up so people van have a laugh

    • LOL: A123
  217. @AaronB
    @HenryBaker

    Well, he's not quite a nationalist, but something else.

    On the other thread he said that Russia only has value to him if it wins, that losers don't interest him, and that if Russia loses he will transfer his allegiance to China or India - whichever seems better poised to pursue his "Cosmist" dream.

    So it's a kind of religious/salvific/ideological mishmash of the kind modernity produces, that has elements of nationalism to some degree but lacks the deep, irrational, thymotic commitment to ones home and nation in victory or defeat, and crucially, a long term commitment.

    It isn't cynical power hunger either. The Russian nation is a vehicle for his Cosmist vision, but no more.

    Apparently, from what I could glean on the internet, Cosmism is an ideology that has growing influence among the Russian elite, so however crazy Karlin seems to us he is likely tapping into genuine and growing currents among the Russian ruling class.

    Another Russian commenter here, mal, is also a Cosmist.

    In this fight, the Ukrainians are the genuine nationalists, and the American far right are - once again - supporting imperialism and a radical revolutionary ideology that seeks to transform the world through technology lol :)

    See also the recent Temple to Mars Russia built and tried to pass off as Orthodox, when it is obviously anti--Christian and pagan in feel and tone.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh

    This ideology promoted as the casus “belli” (casus “special operation”) in relation to Ukraine, for the Kremlin is not nationalism, but anti-nationalism.

    As I wrote, already, the politically correct ideology in Russia is imperialism, even “Moscow imperialism”. Of course, all these ideologies in the postsoviet space are fakes which are created from the top-down, by the government.

    Russian Federation is a multinational country, especially in its elite, and nationalism would tear it from the inside. So, Russian nationalism has become the most repressed and illegal ideology in Russia for 15 years at least. You will go to prison if you touch this.

    Communism is also not possible to promote, from the perspective of the elite, as the raison d’être of the postsoviet, are its wealthy elite and their control on society. This is the reason for everything in postsoviet space, is the people at the top of society (at least the top 0,01%, if not the top 0,001%), and their control of the people on the bottom.

    Whereas Russian imperialism, has been promoted as an official ideology, for the last decades, as this is a politically possible direction that usually doesn’t threaten to the rulers, except until it now has included costs of some sanctions.

    In terms of Ukraine, there has been an actually kind of “normal” essay written by Dugin, who is usually incoherent.

    I don’t know if LatW wants to translate https://tsargrad.tv/articles/gvozd-v-kryshku-groba-ukronacizma-aleksandr-dugin-raskryl-kto-takie-ukraincy-2_509841

    He is actually writing in a clear way about this branch of the Russian imperialism ideology promoted by the Kremlin of the last decade to present a “surface justification” with its violent relations to the Ukrainian nationality.

    • Thanks: HenryBaker
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Dmitry

    Google translate has a hard time with Dugin. About half of it is incomprehensible. The last paragraph seems to be OK.


    Learning ethnosociology in our conditions is simply not necessary. Neobhodim he and in the case of Russia. If we want to become full-fledged and rejoice in our society, we also need to participate in the example of the tragic misunderstanding of our Ukrainian brothers and never to look at stupid nationalism. We are not a nation, we are a people. And our goal is to build a great government, in which place we find everyone, who is related to us by his own destiny - and before all our East Slavic brothers.
     
    I didn't see anything in there about tanks and bombs and missiles being related to the destiny of uniting the brothers but maybe it was in there in the pieces that were garbled.
    , @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Yes, I completely agree with you that Russia now stands for imperialism and not nationalism.

    But all imperialism either starts with, or quickly develops, some sort of "cosmic vision" that justifies their rule over over foreign nations. Even if initially, it starts as mere conquest.

    I think we in the West, stuck in our stupid "rationalist", realpolitik mindset which is so shallow, or else filtering everything through outdated ideological concepts like liberalism vs fascism, have not paid sufficient attention the what appears to be a truly radical "cosmic vision" that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.

    Even if Karlin represents the extreme edge of this and is not representative, reading Putin and other mainstream Russian apologists words, and the fact that Karlins Cosmist vision is experiencing renewed interest in Russia, suggests something far stranger and more interesting than we Westerners can understand with our simple categories may well be going on.

    But the breakdown in communication that is such a feature of our times makes us analyze Russia entirely in terms familiar to our own discourse - we ignore evidence that an unusual alternative discourse is emerging in Russia.

    In short, we in the West exist in an echo chamber and may have lost the ability to perceive that other parts of the world are developing unusual alternative discourses.

    Even if, as I believe, "civilizational conflict" of the Sam Huntington type is completely the wrong paradigm with which to view the emerging global fault lines.

    There are no civilizations anymore. Understanding modern China by reference to it's traditional past is a farce. There has been a break, a discontinuity.

    Rather, the new fault lines are along different visions of modernity - but modernity itself is the one dominant global civilization.

    The West with it's Woke and transgender ideology, is clearly a related philosophy to Russian Cosmism at root.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

  218. @A123
    @Mr. Hack


    I kind of figured that you weren’t up to providing me with a direct answer to my question. 🙁
     
    Provide a direct Yes or No answer to this question:

    Have you stopped beating your wife?

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Mr. Hack

    I’m not married, and when I was I never beat my wife.

    Now, it’s your turn:

    I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!

    Not related to my question, but it seems that Trump is now starting to warm up to the “bravery” of Zelensky.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mr. Hack

    I knew you weren’t up to providing me with a direct, Yes or No, answer to my question. 🙁

    Let us know when you able to stop posturing, until then you are wasting everyone's time with loaded questions.

    PEACE 😇

  219. @Mr. Hack
    @A123

    I'm not married, and when I was I never beat my wife.

    Now, it's your turn:


    I’d be curious to know which leader of a country, Biden or Putin, do you admire more? A simple answer will suffice. Thanks!
     
    Not related to my question, but it seems that Trump is now starting to warm up to the "bravery" of Zelensky.

    Replies: @A123

    I knew you weren’t up to providing me with a direct, Yes or No, answer to my question. 🙁

    Let us know when you able to stop posturing, until then you are wasting everyone’s time with loaded questions.

    PEACE 😇

  220. @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    This ideology promoted as the casus "belli" (casus "special operation") in relation to Ukraine, for the Kremlin is not nationalism, but anti-nationalism.

    As I wrote, already, the politically correct ideology in Russia is imperialism, even "Moscow imperialism". Of course, all these ideologies in the postsoviet space are fakes which are created from the top-down, by the government.

    Russian Federation is a multinational country, especially in its elite, and nationalism would tear it from the inside. So, Russian nationalism has become the most repressed and illegal ideology in Russia for 15 years at least. You will go to prison if you touch this.

    Communism is also not possible to promote, from the perspective of the elite, as the raison d'être of the postsoviet, are its wealthy elite and their control on society. This is the reason for everything in postsoviet space, is the people at the top of society (at least the top 0,01%, if not the top 0,001%), and their control of the people on the bottom.

    Whereas Russian imperialism, has been promoted as an official ideology, for the last decades, as this is a politically possible direction that usually doesn't threaten to the rulers, except until it now has included costs of some sanctions.

    In terms of Ukraine, there has been an actually kind of "normal" essay written by Dugin, who is usually incoherent.

    I don't know if LatW wants to translate https://tsargrad.tv/articles/gvozd-v-kryshku-groba-ukronacizma-aleksandr-dugin-raskryl-kto-takie-ukraincy-2_509841

    He is actually writing in a clear way about this branch of the Russian imperialism ideology promoted by the Kremlin of the last decade to present a "surface justification" with its violent relations to the Ukrainian nationality.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AaronB

    Google translate has a hard time with Dugin. About half of it is incomprehensible. The last paragraph seems to be OK.

    Learning ethnosociology in our conditions is simply not necessary. Neobhodim he and in the case of Russia. If we want to become full-fledged and rejoice in our society, we also need to participate in the example of the tragic misunderstanding of our Ukrainian brothers and never to look at stupid nationalism. We are not a nation, we are a people. And our goal is to build a great government, in which place we find everyone, who is related to us by his own destiny – and before all our East Slavic brothers.

    I didn’t see anything in there about tanks and bombs and missiles being related to the destiny of uniting the brothers but maybe it was in there in the pieces that were garbled.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  221. @Dmitry
    @AaronB

    This ideology promoted as the casus "belli" (casus "special operation") in relation to Ukraine, for the Kremlin is not nationalism, but anti-nationalism.

    As I wrote, already, the politically correct ideology in Russia is imperialism, even "Moscow imperialism". Of course, all these ideologies in the postsoviet space are fakes which are created from the top-down, by the government.

    Russian Federation is a multinational country, especially in its elite, and nationalism would tear it from the inside. So, Russian nationalism has become the most repressed and illegal ideology in Russia for 15 years at least. You will go to prison if you touch this.

    Communism is also not possible to promote, from the perspective of the elite, as the raison d'être of the postsoviet, are its wealthy elite and their control on society. This is the reason for everything in postsoviet space, is the people at the top of society (at least the top 0,01%, if not the top 0,001%), and their control of the people on the bottom.

    Whereas Russian imperialism, has been promoted as an official ideology, for the last decades, as this is a politically possible direction that usually doesn't threaten to the rulers, except until it now has included costs of some sanctions.

    In terms of Ukraine, there has been an actually kind of "normal" essay written by Dugin, who is usually incoherent.

    I don't know if LatW wants to translate https://tsargrad.tv/articles/gvozd-v-kryshku-groba-ukronacizma-aleksandr-dugin-raskryl-kto-takie-ukraincy-2_509841

    He is actually writing in a clear way about this branch of the Russian imperialism ideology promoted by the Kremlin of the last decade to present a "surface justification" with its violent relations to the Ukrainian nationality.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard, @AaronB

    Yes, I completely agree with you that Russia now stands for imperialism and not nationalism.

    But all imperialism either starts with, or quickly develops, some sort of “cosmic vision” that justifies their rule over over foreign nations. Even if initially, it starts as mere conquest.

    I think we in the West, stuck in our stupid “rationalist”, realpolitik mindset which is so shallow, or else filtering everything through outdated ideological concepts like liberalism vs fascism, have not paid sufficient attention the what appears to be a truly radical “cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.

    Even if Karlin represents the extreme edge of this and is not representative, reading Putin and other mainstream Russian apologists words, and the fact that Karlins Cosmist vision is experiencing renewed interest in Russia, suggests something far stranger and more interesting than we Westerners can understand with our simple categories may well be going on.

    But the breakdown in communication that is such a feature of our times makes us analyze Russia entirely in terms familiar to our own discourse – we ignore evidence that an unusual alternative discourse is emerging in Russia.

    In short, we in the West exist in an echo chamber and may have lost the ability to perceive that other parts of the world are developing unusual alternative discourses.

    Even if, as I believe, “civilizational conflict” of the Sam Huntington type is completely the wrong paradigm with which to view the emerging global fault lines.

    There are no civilizations anymore. Understanding modern China by reference to it’s traditional past is a farce. There has been a break, a discontinuity.

    Rather, the new fault lines are along different visions of modernity – but modernity itself is the one dominant global civilization.

    The West with it’s Woke and transgender ideology, is clearly a related philosophy to Russian Cosmism at root.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AaronB


    have not paid sufficient attention the what appears to be a truly radical “cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.
     
    What are you basing that on? Is there anything more to your thesis than Karlin's enthusiasm for transhumanism?
    To me the official Russian position looks pretty simple, almost banal ("We're a distinct, superior civilization that deserves to be a great power, the West is encroaching on our space and needs to be checked"). It's basically just what Russia has always been. I can't discern anything revolutionary or radical there.
    , @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Russia now stands for
     
    It's not "Russia stands for", but what is one of the politically correct narratives allowed by the government. Everything is just "top-down", i.e. from a few people's decisions. This is about pro-government narratives.

    cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.
     
    In Soviet times, there was a ideology, for the imperialism (Marxism–Leninism is self-interested trash i.e. ideology, unlike real Marxism which aspired for philosophy), whereas today there is only the dream of Timati opening a Black Star Burger in your home city after shelling has ended.

    But in most of history, there is no need for ideology to justify a conquest. Rather, conquest is a result of violence and you can invent some excuse after, and people can call your excuse ideology, while you are really appropriating the resources and slaves from the conquered land. I'm not even sure the British Empire has much of an ideology during most of its early expansion. Ideology about British imperialism, seems more an aspect of the second half of the 19th century.


    ssian Cosmism
     
    Lol your interest from New age, Madame Blavatsky, etc.

    modern China by reference to it’s traditional
     
    But if the population are excited to have a washing machine, a new car, a refrigerator. This is the historical stage of China. Their population is enjoying rising to the middle income countries, unlike in the 20th century when they experienced poverty and political repressions.

    in China, there is also perhaps some indication their political class can be going in the postsoviet way of attaining and needing to hide larger profits than should be official allowed within the society.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4

    Replies: @sher singh

  222. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    You do not know what life is. You get a fantasy of creating life from science fiction.

    Are you drunk?

    Replies: @songbird

    You do not know what life is.

    Why don’t you define it?

    You get a fantasy of creating life from science fiction.

    Sure, that is where the idea of cloning comes from.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    I do not know what life is. No man knows what life is.

    Are viruses alive?

    Gordon White thinks the plants cooked up humans because smart monkeys were their way off the planet to populate the cosmos. He cannot be proven wrong as unlikely as that seems.

    Biological clones are not copies. Nurture supplies .4 - .6 of the process. A clone of a vertebrate is far from an identical twin. If you could dig up a copy of Newton's DNA and make a human out of it you would not get a Newton.

    Replies: @songbird

  223. @A123
    @sudden death


    Somebody can concede or not only when having strike target coordinates and nobody has them
     
    Even that is not enough. One has to know what is in the building, not its nameplate on the outside. Combatants repurpose buildings. Muslim terrorists occupying Jewish Palestine hide in press offices and use UN schools as munitions dumps.

    The destruction of a 100% civilian building may not equal intent. One of the issues with some modern weapons is optical targeting on final approach. They look for the shape of the building to avoid being mislead by spurious GPS signals. Sounds good. Right? What happens if the target is damaged, obscured, or otherwise does not have the anticipated shape? The munition winds up striking a nearby building that is the right shape.

    Mistakes happen during combat. Deadly ones. The only way to avoid those mistakes is to prevent the war before it starts.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars

    No, I have it on good authority (BBC!) that every time the Russians allegedly+ hit an allegedly+ non-military target it’s on purpose. Of course, this is often only heavily implied (“attacked,” which connotes intent, instead of, for example, “struck,” which doesn’t).

    +”Allegedly” is my addition; BBC almost never hedges like that. Uncertainty is for Russian bots like myself.

    The entirety of BBC’s coverage is like this. One of their correspondents in Ukraine said they were “neutral” yesterday, I laughed out loud. The shamelessness is breathtaking.

  224. @German_reader
    @Yevardian


    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos.
     
    Is that a comment on Discord in general or specifically on Karlin's forum there (I have experience with neither...sher singh mentioned that you're not allowed to insult other commenters there, which strikes me as very questionable)?

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Just the platform in general, its strongly catered to a child audience, or adults that think like children. No I haven’t been to Karlin’s /pol/-reddit mashup server (apparently half the comments are people calling each other cucks) lol.
    I was recommended it for practicing speaking/listening comprehension in rarer languages a while ago.

    I also have younger siblings and relatives that use it.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    Ok, thanks. I have to admit I wonder somewhat which former commenters from here might have ended up in the Discord forum, but can't be bothered to check myself.

  225. sher singh says:
    @Barbarossa
    @sher singh

    I'm unqualified to judge the change in the board pre-2018 since I wasn't around that much prior. I gravitated more toward AE anyhow prior to his leaving and landed here since it was the only worthwhile commenting section left at UNZ.

    Regardless of how the board has shifted over 3 or 4 years, the change in AK's attitude seems quite recent and precipitous, as Mr. Hack points out.

    Personally, I find it somewhat interesting to see the partisans on both sides spar, even if it is a somewhat futile exercise. It's really not like AP or Mr. Hack are content-free trolls, even if they are staunch Ukrainian boosters. Mr. Hack may give too much credence to stuff he sees on Twitter, but they are usually both well rounded commenters.

    Besides, what would be the point of a "Rah Rah Russia" echo chamber? That just sounds boring, like some pro-Russian version of the Breitbart comment section. I like seeing the true believers on both sides along with the agnostics trapped in the same room.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @sher singh

    Used to be a more generically RW blog until Trump turned out a wet noodle. Hence, the Slavic shift.
    Look through some of his old posts, although Karlin admits he covered most topics more than once.

    Global IQ, HBD, Comprehensive Military Power, Great Bi-Furcation attract a broader crowd.
    Open threads also used to be a list of major happenings or posts across the broader Right-Leaning blogosphere.

  226. German_reader says:
    @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Yes, I completely agree with you that Russia now stands for imperialism and not nationalism.

    But all imperialism either starts with, or quickly develops, some sort of "cosmic vision" that justifies their rule over over foreign nations. Even if initially, it starts as mere conquest.

    I think we in the West, stuck in our stupid "rationalist", realpolitik mindset which is so shallow, or else filtering everything through outdated ideological concepts like liberalism vs fascism, have not paid sufficient attention the what appears to be a truly radical "cosmic vision" that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.

    Even if Karlin represents the extreme edge of this and is not representative, reading Putin and other mainstream Russian apologists words, and the fact that Karlins Cosmist vision is experiencing renewed interest in Russia, suggests something far stranger and more interesting than we Westerners can understand with our simple categories may well be going on.

    But the breakdown in communication that is such a feature of our times makes us analyze Russia entirely in terms familiar to our own discourse - we ignore evidence that an unusual alternative discourse is emerging in Russia.

    In short, we in the West exist in an echo chamber and may have lost the ability to perceive that other parts of the world are developing unusual alternative discourses.

    Even if, as I believe, "civilizational conflict" of the Sam Huntington type is completely the wrong paradigm with which to view the emerging global fault lines.

    There are no civilizations anymore. Understanding modern China by reference to it's traditional past is a farce. There has been a break, a discontinuity.

    Rather, the new fault lines are along different visions of modernity - but modernity itself is the one dominant global civilization.

    The West with it's Woke and transgender ideology, is clearly a related philosophy to Russian Cosmism at root.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    have not paid sufficient attention the what appears to be a truly radical “cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.

    What are you basing that on? Is there anything more to your thesis than Karlin’s enthusiasm for transhumanism?
    To me the official Russian position looks pretty simple, almost banal (“We’re a distinct, superior civilization that deserves to be a great power, the West is encroaching on our space and needs to be checked”). It’s basically just what Russia has always been. I can’t discern anything revolutionary or radical there.

    • Agree: HenryBaker
  227. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    My bad, sorry. I had a brain fart and was thinking of Dmitry in previous threads with the endless Twitter embeds.

    I'm not on Twitter or FB either, so I fully agree with your points on that. This is really about the extent of my online social presence.

    I never understood the point of LinkedIn. I set up a profile years ago, which I suppose lives on in zombie form. It seemed primarily a forum for pointless posturing and imaginary status gaining.

    I would imagine that once you see how the data collection sausage is made, you can never bring yourself to enjoy it the same way again.

    Replies: @sher singh

    Lot of jobs on LinkedIn.

  228. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    Just the platform in general, its strongly catered to a child audience, or adults that think like children. No I haven't been to Karlin's /pol/-reddit mashup server (apparently half the comments are people calling each other cucks) lol.
    I was recommended it for practicing speaking/listening comprehension in rarer languages a while ago.

    I also have younger siblings and relatives that use it.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Ok, thanks. I have to admit I wonder somewhat which former commenters from here might have ended up in the Discord forum, but can’t be bothered to check myself.

  229. @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    You do not know what life is.
     
    Why don't you define it?

    You get a fantasy of creating life from science fiction.
     
    Sure, that is where the idea of cloning comes from.

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    I do not know what life is. No man knows what life is.

    Are viruses alive?

    Gordon White thinks the plants cooked up humans because smart monkeys were their way off the planet to populate the cosmos. He cannot be proven wrong as unlikely as that seems.

    Biological clones are not copies. Nurture supplies .4 – .6 of the process. A clone of a vertebrate is far from an identical twin. If you could dig up a copy of Newton’s DNA and make a human out of it you would not get a Newton.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    Nurture supplies .4 – .6 of the process. A clone of a vertebrate is far from an identical twin. If you could dig up a copy of Newton’s DNA and make a human out of it you would not get a Newton.
     
    Heritability of intelligence is really estimated downward, due to the inherent difficulty of measuring intelligence and the limits of statistical interpretations, which need to err on the side of caution, and often don't have giant numbers of people enrolled in them.

    We're talking a sort of fantasy scenario here, but assuming you could get the same genetic fidelity as an identical twin (not a carbon copy), and assuming you were growing them in an ideal environment, where they were the only one in the womb, then I think the result would be at least as smart as an identical twin, possibly smarter, as twinning is kind of a stressful environment, since the resources and space are shared.

    Of course, that would not be current tech.

    A clone of Newton might not be Newton, but he would be a high capacity individual. You could bet that his intelligence would be at least a few SD above normal. Of course, maybe, he would be too distracted by the internet or video games to do much that was useful. Or maybe, he would be super-woke.
  230. @AaronB
    @HenryBaker

    Well, he's not quite a nationalist, but something else.

    On the other thread he said that Russia only has value to him if it wins, that losers don't interest him, and that if Russia loses he will transfer his allegiance to China or India - whichever seems better poised to pursue his "Cosmist" dream.

    So it's a kind of religious/salvific/ideological mishmash of the kind modernity produces, that has elements of nationalism to some degree but lacks the deep, irrational, thymotic commitment to ones home and nation in victory or defeat, and crucially, a long term commitment.

    It isn't cynical power hunger either. The Russian nation is a vehicle for his Cosmist vision, but no more.

    Apparently, from what I could glean on the internet, Cosmism is an ideology that has growing influence among the Russian elite, so however crazy Karlin seems to us he is likely tapping into genuine and growing currents among the Russian ruling class.

    Another Russian commenter here, mal, is also a Cosmist.

    In this fight, the Ukrainians are the genuine nationalists, and the American far right are - once again - supporting imperialism and a radical revolutionary ideology that seeks to transform the world through technology lol :)

    See also the recent Temple to Mars Russia built and tried to pass off as Orthodox, when it is obviously anti--Christian and pagan in feel and tone.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @sher singh

    Nothing new about a Jew insulting the Gods, seems you’re overdue for a Shoah.
    Mohammad also had a Jewish mother. 😉

    [MORE]

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  231. @Yevardian
    @sher singh


    Ask on the discord
     
    A haven for unwashed NEETs, teenage gamers, trannies, glowies and schizos. I'll pass.
    With it, feels like Akarlin's return to his ideological roots with the likes of Oliver D Smith, Mark Steyn readers and that 'PUA' women-respecter with a head like Red Dwarf's Kryten.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/kryten-8f09c27e-cd80-4070-8a5c-9a4cc500bca-resize-750.jpeg

    It is odd though. Karlin abandons his blog, and a short while later, echoes the same uncritical triumphalism he mocked in writers like 'The Saker' for years. I mean a lot of people who wish the best for an independent Russia immediately saw the commencement of this invasion as an unavoidable castastrophe.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Anatoly Karlin, @Lolcow of the day

    My mistake not to have kept you banned after your inexcusable smears about me in relation to a certain film review. Yet another demonstration of how no good deed (forgiveness in this case) ever goes unpunished.

    But also a vindication of my decision to distance myself from this absolute viper’s den.

    • Agree: sher singh
  232. @HenryBaker
    @Beckow


    There is also no single Ukrainian view
     
    The same in decolonization wars, where there was a large mass of uncommitted 'natives', especially in rural areas. Nationalists were roughly divided in a nationalist, communist, and islamist camp (I think both in Indonesia and Algeria).

    There are pro-Russian Ukrainians, thinking of themselves as Russians in Ukraine, or sometimes just Russians – they were a majority in the east and south, half of the country.
     
    Algeria had French and harkis, Indonesia had Ambonese, Chinese, Dutch minorities...

    There is a quiet majority of non-committed who mostly want peace, and always eventually go with the winning side.
     
    Like I said, it was the same in Indonesia. However the majority doesn't decide anything, since the apathethic mass just has no decisive influence. Nationalist grip on the villages was more tight (they routinely executed or removed collaborating mayors). This once again reminds me of Ukraine although Ukies don't seem as hardcore.

    Russia doesn’t say that there is no Ukrainian nation, not a colonial situation
     
    In Indonesia, we accepted the possibility of an Indonesian state. But officers would have to be Dutch, with our Dutch queen as head of state, a federal, not unitary model... We accepted a state but it would have to be dependent. The indonesians could not stomach a dependent state and so they fought for unconditional independence. It's still very similar to Ukraine now imo.

    'Russia doesn't say there's no Ukrainian nation', the problem is Russia is treating Ukraine as an errant extension of the Russian state/people. The nationalist side (of which Karlin and guys in tg channels or Twitter are representative) routinely and casually deny the Ukrainian right to statehood and think of them as delusional, larping 'small Russians' that have to be dragged back into the fold, kicking and screaming. Putin in his latest speeches has echoed this sentiment. If you say 'Russians and Ukrainians are one people' you more or less deny Ukraine is meaningfully a separate nation. We also thought of the Indonesians as to be dragged back into the fold, kicking and screaming, by the way.


    Russia refuses to allow a militant, NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders
     
    Dumb propaganda peddled by Russia to make its invasion of an independent state seem defensive and therefore more legitimate. That's when it's not saying out of the side of its mouth 'also Ukraine is a NATO regime that we can replace when we want, and Ukrainians are not a separate people'. The Russia 'club' (Chechnya, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and maybe soon Ukraine) has all been dragged in by its hair. What a great defensive alliance! I wonder how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO? They sure joined quickly! I wonder which old (imperial) overlord they were afraid of

    A colonial empire or a Tsarist/Soviet empire- what does it matter. It's still an empire, with all the disregard for small nations that entails.

    Btw there was no Scottisch independence war...

    Replies: @Beckow, @siberiancat

    Your Indonesian analogy suffers from two basic problems:
    – Indonesia is more than 10k km from Netherlands; Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
    – Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc…) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population, In Indonesia or Algeria the combined settlers, ‘harkis’, Chinese minority, etc… were at most 5-10%.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.

    Your answer to: “Russia refuses to allow a militant NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders” is an incoherent rant saying nothing. You deny the obvious:
    – NATO on Russia’s border would be a threat to Russia. Denying it after West invaded Russia again and again (including the Dutch SS) is like denying a nose between your eyes. You cannot admit it because it would be admitting that NATO policy for 15+ years has been provocative. It has finally led to a war. Happy now?

    …how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO

    In east-central Europe countries were told that they have to join NATO before they can be in EU. So they did, the average support was luke-warm 40-50% – nobody asked to be in NATO (maybe Poland), but we had to be.

    Scots fought English through 18th century. An older history, older nations.

    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
     
    “On and off” is a funny way of describing more time spent in different states than in one state in those 1000 years.

    Medieval Rus split up c.1150 into warring principalities. All of them were conquered by the Mongols in 1241. Ukraine became part of Lithuania and Poland. The eastern half was joined to Moscow in c.1650 (500 year gap), most of the western half 100 years later (600 year gap) and then Galicia not until 1939 (about 800 year gap).

    Rather dishonest to describe some kind of 1,000 year shared history.

    Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc…) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population
     
    That’s like saying English in Ireland are 90% of the population, based on language.

    Ukraine was about 20% Russian before the removal of Donbas and Crimea. Probably around 10% Russian now.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Veteran of the Memic Wars

    , @HenryBaker
    @Beckow


    Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
     
    AP already said what I would have said. How much and how long Kievan Rus was even a single state, is debatable anyhow. On top of that nations only need 200 or maybe 100 years to form a completely separate identity. Are you Russian?

    Your 2 points don't really disprove anything I said. I take issue with them but why go into detail, it's just a distraction. Must the situation be identical for the rhetoric to be strikingly similar? What I said is that the way Russia is spinning this, and their nationalists discuss it, reminds me of the same old imperialist ways of thinking we shared. Russian nationalists more or less say openly Russia should be an empire and that Ukraine has no right to exist. I notice they are thinking about things in similar patterns, even leading to making the same mistakes that we did (like underestimating initial resistance or thinking a 'special operation' or 'policing action' will do, why would a 'fake' nation resist in the first place?).

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.
     
    First off, is this more pro-Russian (vaguely 3d worldist) larping, i.e. Russia was never imperial like 'you' were, if Russia has an empire, it's good, but European colonialism is evil?
    Secondly, I don't consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place. Likewise, I don't have any real moral judgement on Tsarist Russia. I'm sure you disagree with the first point though, as in the current paradigm everyone pro-Russian now amusingly sees Western racists and nazis everywhere and feels a need to purify Russian history as fundamentally different from ours, un-European, etc. Have fun with that.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.
     
    Well yes, I consider Tsarist, Soviet, and modern Russia to have inherited an imperialist tradition. That comes with imperialist ways of thinking about 'small nations'. Colonial empires are empires and Tsarist Russia was an empire.

    Replies: @Beckow

  233. @Twinkie
    @Barbarossa

    I didn't read Anatoly Karlin regularly, but checked in once in a while. I bemoaned his leaving on record, especially coming right after Audacious Epigone shutting down his blog.

    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.

    His last several comments on Unz seem extremely ungracious, especially to his previous audience who helped to grow whatever prominence he has now. It smacks of burning bridges with a past employer now that he has a new employer (so to speak), i.e. "All the readers who pay to read me moved with me to Substack, so screw the rest of you on Unz who criticize my writings - you are all just a bunch of Ukrainian Fascist shills!"

    He also seems to have gone "full Putin," writing Baghdad Bob-like propaganda such as attributing Russian failures or difficulties to naivete or "Christ-like" gentleness of the Russian politico-military leaders rather than tactical/operational failures or strategic miscalculations.

    Although I was not sympatico with many of his views, I previously held him in relatively high regard as a truth-seeker, so I am disappointed in his latest online iteration. Nonetheless, I wish him well and hope he comes out well of the end of whatever is going on in Russia today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anatoly Karlin

    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.

    He who pays the piper calls the tune, and I don’t mean that in a derogatory way. Big thinkers gotta eat, too. Audience-wise, my guess is the highly-committed tend to pay the bills, whereas the less highly-committed tend not to.

  234. @Philip Owen
    I posed this earlier on a Patrick Armstrong thread but it probably fits here. There seems to be a different audience.

    _____________________________________

    48 hours to conquer Ukraine and be greeted as liberators. That didn’t work. FSB don’t understand opinion polls in democracies.

    Regrouping and reinforcements don’t help that much. There are only so many men and vehicles Russia can push down those roads. It can go on forever of course. Also, I forgot high quality mercenaries when I wrote this first.

    Specification versus reality

    Michelin tires – Chinese knock offs
    Thick wool socks – Acrylics
    Fresh Compo rations (MRE in US) – keep the 7 year old ones
    Contract soldiers drawing pay – They were ghosts, conscripts were doing the work.

    On the socks. Socks stave off trenchfoot better than the WW1 foot wraps the Russians were using until 3 or 4 years ago (maybe that was the 71.6% new equipment of which Shoigu spoke?). But they need to be the right socks.

    This kind of corruption can’t be cured by regrouping and launching a new attack. Russia can still win by sending in steam roller after steam roller. And it appears difficult for Ukraine to deal with artillery without air support. But then, the Ukrainian army has 20,000 snipers. Senior officers are keeling over. Bombardiers might toowith real time battle information from NATO. Victory (occupation) will happen but not in 72 hours and that will just be getting into poistion for the insurgency.
    _______________________________________________

    Also, what happens to Russian troop morale when pictures emerge of well paid ($300/month with expenses) African and Arab mercenaries killing Ukrainian civilians. Aren't the Russian troops there to protect, in some roundabout way, their Ukrainian brothers?

    Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter, @Barbarossa, @Rich, @PedroAstra

    The “Chinese” tires are actually some sort of Eastern European knockoff, I don’t know why this fake meme in particular was perpetuated.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @PedroAstra

    It doesn't seem plausible to me, at all, that Russia would rely on something as strategically important as tires, to be sourced from another country, even China. Especially, when that would be difficult to hide (tires that big.)

    I could believe that either they weren't storing them right, didn't do the right maintenance on them, or else their manufacturing process left something to be desired.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  235. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @songbird

    I do not know what life is. No man knows what life is.

    Are viruses alive?

    Gordon White thinks the plants cooked up humans because smart monkeys were their way off the planet to populate the cosmos. He cannot be proven wrong as unlikely as that seems.

    Biological clones are not copies. Nurture supplies .4 - .6 of the process. A clone of a vertebrate is far from an identical twin. If you could dig up a copy of Newton's DNA and make a human out of it you would not get a Newton.

    Replies: @songbird

    Nurture supplies .4 – .6 of the process. A clone of a vertebrate is far from an identical twin. If you could dig up a copy of Newton’s DNA and make a human out of it you would not get a Newton.

    Heritability of intelligence is really estimated downward, due to the inherent difficulty of measuring intelligence and the limits of statistical interpretations, which need to err on the side of caution, and often don’t have giant numbers of people enrolled in them.

    We’re talking a sort of fantasy scenario here, but assuming you could get the same genetic fidelity as an identical twin (not a carbon copy), and assuming you were growing them in an ideal environment, where they were the only one in the womb, then I think the result would be at least as smart as an identical twin, possibly smarter, as twinning is kind of a stressful environment, since the resources and space are shared.

    Of course, that would not be current tech.

    A clone of Newton might not be Newton, but he would be a high capacity individual. You could bet that his intelligence would be at least a few SD above normal. Of course, maybe, he would be too distracted by the internet or video games to do much that was useful. Or maybe, he would be super-woke.

  236. first major war since the advent of the internet, so it’s interesting to see what a million different people think about it. wonder if this is what it was like 100 years ago and earlier, except nobody knew what was going on in a million other people’s heads as the conflict unfolded.

    while not aimed at any of the posters here, i regret that i now have to hear the internal thought processes of so many mediocre, annoying media people and leftists. we were a thousand times better off before sports athletes and media types were able to broadcast their thoughts daily. the daily spew from their tiny brains is vastly better off contained within their skulls permanently.

    it does present an interesting case study for understanding the history of technology, the human march out of ancient history from a zero technology world and into the modern world, and other Charles Murray type pursuits. in that it shows 99% of people have NOTHING of value to contribute to anything, and we can see in real time that like 1% of the humans do all the important work and thinking.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @prime noticer


    in that it shows 99% of people have NOTHING of value to contribute to anything, and we can see in real time that like 1% of the humans do all the important work and thinking.
     
    That is a rather uncharitable way to put it. Presumably, you are talking about contributing nothing of value to human advancement, in which case the real proportion may well be far lower than 1%; but otherwise, vast numbers of the 99% contribute love, warmth, kindness, caring, friendship, companionship, and often have interesting, attractive personalities despite the incoherence of their belief systems (which are indeed cringe when heard spoken out loud). That's very fortunate, since it is these qualities that contribute to most of the lasting happiness we experience over the course of our lives. Advances in technology and medicine are certainly very welcome, but their novelty quickly wears off and we take them for granted and, rightly or wrongly, they mean very little to us.

    (Also, the cringey incoherency of belief systems also applies to many in the 1% or .1%, whose expertise, it is not too much of a stretch to say, can be likened to having mastered an instruction manual. Otherwise, they too often fall for and espouse moronic and inconsistent beliefs.)

    Replies: @AaronB, @prime noticer

    , @Commentator Mike
    @prime noticer

    I don't think the Internet is a free for all; maybe in its early days. The Internet is carefully manipulated, controlled and directed. Of course there are a few impartial and independent pockets here and there still accessible. Russia should switch on its sovereign Runet and cut off access to the www, except for links to Russia friendly countries.

    Russia 'successfully tests' its unplugged internet

    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50902496

    , @Barbarossa
    @prime noticer


    99% of people have NOTHING of value to contribute to anything, and we can see in real time that like 1% of the humans do all the important work and thinking.
     
    Of course, too many cooks spoil the sauce, so I'm not sure it would be any good if more had the mental capabilities to be movers and shakers.

    I would say that technology casts the dynamic in an interesting light since in no point of history have so many been so fundamentally powerless but given the illusion that their opinions are consequential and can change their world. Now every moron on Twitter or Tiktok can be a pundit with an audience.


    In the past, folks were much less deluded. They largely knew they were at the mercy of those in power above them and dealt with that reality in one way or another.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  237. @PedroAstra
    @Philip Owen

    The "Chinese" tires are actually some sort of Eastern European knockoff, I don't know why this fake meme in particular was perpetuated.

    Replies: @songbird

    It doesn’t seem plausible to me, at all, that Russia would rely on something as strategically important as tires, to be sourced from another country, even China. Especially, when that would be difficult to hide (tires that big.)

    I could believe that either they weren’t storing them right, didn’t do the right maintenance on them, or else their manufacturing process left something to be desired.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @songbird

    I've been to rubber industry trade shows in Russia where there were three Russian firms, one making tires and 17 Chinese firms all offering the same tires. There must have been government tenders to draw them in because the 5 people attending the show weren't interested.

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

  238. Something rather unusual in RF state propTV main channel news:

    Text in Russian:

    Stop the war
    Dob’t believe in propaganda
    You are being lied to in here

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Veteran of the Memic Wars
    @sudden death

    But remember kids, this isn't an example of Russian incompetence (in this case, at brainwashing) relative to the West (full of perfectly indoctrinated lemmings who not only profess, but believe, and would rather slash their wrists than dissent).

  239. sher singh says:
    @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack


    unproved theory
     
    You cannot 'prove' objectively that two cultures are 'one people' as there is a voluntaristic element to forming a nation. Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That's the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities. Americans and British are not one people, British are not 'small Americans', yet I can come up with all sort of stories about why they really are but are just delusional, or whatever. Claiming they should nevertheless be united cannot be proven, and is always just political propaganda (just like insisting they should be separate). That's because a nation is a feeling, a voluntaristic association, based on some objective fact, some mythmaking. But not in and of itself an objective reality.

    The Dutch nation exists as separate from the Flemish nation because the Flemish live in land we could not conquer from the Spanish. That's literally the only reason. We did occupy some catholic land and we more or less pressed the Dutch identity on them over time. So not even religion is the real difference. Just association and time. If I now go around claiming the Flemish are just delusional 'small Dutch' without knowing it and should really be annexed NOW without their consent; that they have no right to statehood, or whatever... That's obviously just a political narrative. Even if the 'triune' idea makes sense, that does not mean Ukrainians must be forced to associate with Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    ‘Sovereign, rational’ individuals enter voluntary agreements which can be changed by conquerors.
    That’s more batshit insane & nonsensical than Laxa’s rambling. Bitches > Bitch-made niggas.

    Slaves ‘voluntarily’ accept & rationalize the status quo because that’s their nature. Angloesque Whites merely larp as if they’re not slaves til the next Brown Family moves in.

    So much venom towards Karlin imagine being this offended by someone who loves their motherland. Who’s doing the hating? Jews, Amerimutts, Limeys, Khohols & Kardashians.

    Ukraine gonna be saved from the Bantu expansion & whether u get bent about it or not is ‘voluntary’

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  240. AP says:
    @Beckow
    @HenryBaker

    Your Indonesian analogy suffers from two basic problems:
    - Indonesia is more than 10k km from Netherlands; Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
    - Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc...) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population, In Indonesia or Algeria the combined settlers, 'harkis', Chinese minority, etc... were at most 5-10%.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas - you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.

    Your answer to: "Russia refuses to allow a militant NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders" is an incoherent rant saying nothing. You deny the obvious:
    - NATO on Russia's border would be a threat to Russia. Denying it after West invaded Russia again and again (including the Dutch SS) is like denying a nose between your eyes. You cannot admit it because it would be admitting that NATO policy for 15+ years has been provocative. It has finally led to a war. Happy now?


    ...how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO
     
    In east-central Europe countries were told that they have to join NATO before they can be in EU. So they did, the average support was luke-warm 40-50% - nobody asked to be in NATO (maybe Poland), but we had to be.

    Scots fought English through 18th century. An older history, older nations.

    Replies: @AP, @HenryBaker

    Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)

    “On and off” is a funny way of describing more time spent in different states than in one state in those 1000 years.

    Medieval Rus split up c.1150 into warring principalities. All of them were conquered by the Mongols in 1241. Ukraine became part of Lithuania and Poland. The eastern half was joined to Moscow in c.1650 (500 year gap), most of the western half 100 years later (600 year gap) and then Galicia not until 1939 (about 800 year gap).

    Rather dishonest to describe some kind of 1,000 year shared history.

    Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc…) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population

    That’s like saying English in Ireland are 90% of the population, based on language.

    Ukraine was about 20% Russian before the removal of Donbas and Crimea. Probably around 10% Russian now.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @AP


    ...The eastern half was joined to Moscow in c.1650, most of the western half 100 years later (600 year gap) and then Galicia not until 1939 (about 800 year gap).
     
    The eastern half has been a part of Russia for 370 years, Kiev only a bit shorter. I am not sure what your point is, "on and off" is a short-hand, it can be described as separate or as joint, neither one is an absolute truth. But it was not a colony, like "Java" 10k km away, like the Dutch guy claimed.

    Galicia is small, it used to be 10% of Ukraine, today with eastern losses up to 15%.

    We had the argument about the extent of "Russians" in Ukraine before. It is quite substantial if you are objective - identities are mixed and to some extent fluid, it is anywhere from 20 to 40%. There has not been a census since 2001 (why?), and a lot of people identify with the winning side at any given time. They are not "harkis", or a tiny minority of settlers. The Westerners generally don't understand this, or pretend not to understand it. It helps with their propaganda.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Veteran of the Memic Wars
    @AP


    Ukraine was about 20% Russian before the removal of Donbas and Crimea. Probably around 10% Russian now.
     
    A "removal" you've probably been protesting as illegitimate, one you'll probably be denying five minutes from now, if it suits your purpose.

    Replies: @AP

  241. @AP
    @HenryBaker

    You are correct here and in your other posts but I will point out that the differences (linguistic and cultural) between Ukrainians and Russians is more like between Dutch and Germans than between Flemish and Dutch or between English and American.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    As an aside, the rural parts of the Netherlands have their own, old dialects like Drenths or Gronings. Very hard or impossible to understand for the speakers of ‘high’ Dutch. These dialects smoothly progress into Western Plattdeutsch or ‘flat’ German. Therefore, there exists a linguistic group of Germans and Dutch people with more in common linguistically with each other, than either high Dutch or German. Interestingly, the urbane Flemish do seem to speak a variant of ‘high’ Dutch, just like we do.

    But I agree with your point. Like Ukraine, Holland too was part of a larger super-ethnic empire (the Holy Roman Empire) that seems to have had a very vaguely Germanic identity. Like Ukraine, our separation from the larger empire and ethnos is but a result of the vagaries of history (Holland is a ‘coincidental’ result of the patchwork inheritance of the Burgundian counts, Habsburg intra-family partitioning, and a religious civil war).

    One distinction: I’m not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism. Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us ‘corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry’…

    I myself would not oppose re-unification with the Flemish at all. It would be awkward, but it would work. The Germans… nah. Too different.

    • Replies: @AP
    @HenryBaker


    One distinction: I’m not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism.
     
    Ukraine was part of Poland during its formative years while Russia (actually Muscovy) was under the Mongols-Tatars during its formative years. Russia always trends towards a despotic form of government while Ukrainians prefer democracy, even if it can devolve into chaos or oligarchy. A lot of the Ukrainian-Russian conflict has involved this cultural difference. Ukraine entered Moscow's orbit in 1654 as an autonomous Hetmanate, which retained at least some "Polish" Republicanism until Moscow finally cancelled it in 1764.

    Ukraine continues to be different from Russia in that it has elections and its people are committed to the democratic system, whereas Russians are satisfied with their despot. (it's typical that the would-be despot of Ukraine, Yanukovich, was an ethnic Russian from the Russian part of Ukraine, who was overthrown by ethnic Ukrainians who then replaced their post-Maidan president with another through elections).

    The Galician Ukrainians had been under Austria after having been part of Poland, so they experienced more mature democratic processes. While Ukrainians overall prefer democracy, central and eastern ones tend to go for and change allegiances between various oligarch-controlled parties (Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Kolomoysky) while Galicians tend to go for "normal" political parties with specific programs (i.e, Samopomich, Svoboda). It's a weird parallel - Polish republicanism of the PLC had been dominated by powerful magnates, Austria by right-leaning political parties. And we see Ukrainians behaving accordingly when it comes to politics.

    But all of them reject living under an authoritarian Tsar.

    Ukraine is of course agrarian rather than commerce-based (like the Dutch) but in its "republicanism" vs. despotism I suppose a rough analogy can be made with the Republican Dutch vs. the feudal Germans (ofc German feudalism was much different from Russian despotism).

    Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us ‘corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry’
     
    This is kind of the Russian nationalist approach to Ukrainians - we are Russians corrupted by Polish-ness and Austrian-ness.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @silviosilver
    @HenryBaker


    I myself would not oppose re-unification with the Flemish at all. It would be awkward, but it would work. The Germans… nah. Too different.
     
    Good to see that you are focused on the most urgent of political issues.

    Whether the Islamo-Africans of the Netherlands shall merge with the Islamo-Africans of Flanders or the Islamo-Africans of Germany over the course of this century is indeed a weighty consideration.
  242. @HenryBaker
    @Mr. Hack


    unproved theory
     
    You cannot 'prove' objectively that two cultures are 'one people' as there is a voluntaristic element to forming a nation. Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That's the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities. Americans and British are not one people, British are not 'small Americans', yet I can come up with all sort of stories about why they really are but are just delusional, or whatever. Claiming they should nevertheless be united cannot be proven, and is always just political propaganda (just like insisting they should be separate). That's because a nation is a feeling, a voluntaristic association, based on some objective fact, some mythmaking. But not in and of itself an objective reality.

    The Dutch nation exists as separate from the Flemish nation because the Flemish live in land we could not conquer from the Spanish. That's literally the only reason. We did occupy some catholic land and we more or less pressed the Dutch identity on them over time. So not even religion is the real difference. Just association and time. If I now go around claiming the Flemish are just delusional 'small Dutch' without knowing it and should really be annexed NOW without their consent; that they have no right to statehood, or whatever... That's obviously just a political narrative. Even if the 'triune' idea makes sense, that does not mean Ukrainians must be forced to associate with Russians.

    Replies: @AP, @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That’s the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities.

    AFAIK Renan’s ideas were fairly controversial, geography and environment was an essential factor in the break between the US and the Britain, and that had a lot to do with determining the wills of the British and Americans around this issue. I thought the Flemings remained independent due to the influence of larger European powers who made sure that they didn’t join the Netherlands.

    Just using these names to illustrate a point, if the Flemings shared a religion with the Dutch, as well as language and so on, but were being kept independent by the subsidies of a third power (say France), which had on-going bad relations with the Netherlands and did not wish it’s population well, Dutch invasion of the territory of the Flemings could well be justified if it was clear that the French cared neither about the common good of the Dutch, nor that of the Flemings, and were just using the latter in an instrumental way. United, sharing language, culture, religious, ethnic ties, the Flemings and Dutch should have a better chance of realising their common good than when divided by mercenary foreigners and factionalist interests in the latter’s pay. This angle may even tip the scales and make an invasion a moral obligation.

    Also, the idea that things like popular consent or the ‘democratic will’ are essential to (or actually the basis of) nationhood is another political narrative, which can be switched out for other accounts of the basis of the legitimacy of political authority and association.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Coconuts


    I thought the Flemings remained independent due to the influence of larger European powers who made sure that they didn’t join the Netherlands.
     
    Nah, man. The current borders of the Netherlands are more or less just as far as our armies could get in the Dutch Revolt. The Spanish were afraid of total collapse of their positions in the Lowlands multiple times.

    AFAIK Renan’s ideas were fairly controversial, geography and environment was an essential factor in the break between the US and the Britain
     
    He doesn't say they're unimportant, of course there are all sorts of reasons for common feeling. A subjective action is usually based on some good objective reasons. But Canada also shared a different environment and geography, so did Australia and New Zealand... They stuck with the commonwealth. In the end, what is decisive is deciding that you are too different. A nation is a sense of forming a discrete group of people, and a group-identity has to be formed actively
    . Supporting reasons (geography, race) can be quite objective.

    Also, the idea that things like popular consent or the ‘democratic will’ are essential to (or actually the basis of) nationhood is another political narrative
     
    Right, I guess using the word 'association' or 'voluntary' once on Unz immediately draws out accusations of naivete or Westernist shilling. (I used voluntarism in the sense of 'will/willed', i.e. 'willed association', not in the gay democratic legitimacy sense) I know very well that an association is usually simply enforced by a fanatical minority (like the American Patriots more or less purging and terrorizing Loyalists). We also know all too well that American identity and history has been rewritten constantly to suit elite narratives. But I don't think that this disproves that the sense of identity is most important, even if not always, or even often, all too organic.

    Just using these names to illustrate a point, if the Flemings shared a religion with the Dutch, as well as language and so on, but were being kept independent by the subsidies of a third power (say France), which had on-going bad relations with the Netherlands and did not wish it’s population well, Dutch invasion of the territory of the Flemings could well be justified if it was clear that the French cared neither about the common good of the Dutch, nor that of the Flemings, and were just using the latter in an instrumental way. United, sharing language, culture, religious, ethnic ties, the Flemings and Dutch should have a better chance of realising their common good than when divided by mercenary foreigners and factionalist interests in the latter’s pay. This angle may even tip the scales and make an invasion a moral obligation.
     
    And if the Flemish *want* to be independent? - If they want to unite with the Dutch, then yes, let's liberate them!
    What if the Flemish live quite nicely in a prosperous republic, and the Dutch live under a harsh dictatorship? - If they are kept impoverished and dumb, then yes, let's liberate them!
    What if the Dutch elite is as rapacious as the French elite, and merely uses nationalism as an excuse to grow its power? - If the Dutch elite is virtuous, but the Flemish elite is ignoble, corrupt, and collaborates, then that is an argument in favor of attack.

    The counter-examples are a bit crude and seem Westernist, but honestly your story also lacks the nuance you see in real life.

  243. @Twinkie
    @Barbarossa

    I didn't read Anatoly Karlin regularly, but checked in once in a while. I bemoaned his leaving on record, especially coming right after Audacious Epigone shutting down his blog.

    But I am surprised by the change in his online demeanor since he moved on to Substack. My impression was that he had his strong and unusual opinions, but they were often backed by data and evidence, and he usually seemed congenial enough to debate those who differed with him.

    His last several comments on Unz seem extremely ungracious, especially to his previous audience who helped to grow whatever prominence he has now. It smacks of burning bridges with a past employer now that he has a new employer (so to speak), i.e. "All the readers who pay to read me moved with me to Substack, so screw the rest of you on Unz who criticize my writings - you are all just a bunch of Ukrainian Fascist shills!"

    He also seems to have gone "full Putin," writing Baghdad Bob-like propaganda such as attributing Russian failures or difficulties to naivete or "Christ-like" gentleness of the Russian politico-military leaders rather than tactical/operational failures or strategic miscalculations.

    Although I was not sympatico with many of his views, I previously held him in relatively high regard as a truth-seeker, so I am disappointed in his latest online iteration. Nonetheless, I wish him well and hope he comes out well of the end of whatever is going on in Russia today.

    Replies: @Johann Ricke, @Anatoly Karlin

    Please don’t lie. The Discord is free, Substack is not my employer, and my relations with Ron are perfectly fine so far as I’m aware.

    While somewhat appreciated, I have no need for your well-wishes, save them for those who need them.

    As I keep saying, shock and disbelief: https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/367103075

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Please don’t lie. The Discord is free, Substack is not my employer
     
    What exactly about did I lie? I did not mean that Substack was literally your new employer. Rather I wrote of my impression of your recent comments - that, allegorically, it appears now that you have paying customers at Substack (who are presumably more "loyal" to you and more sympathetic to your views), you seem to describe your old audience left at Unz in the most uncharitable and disdainful terms, even though this old audience contributed to the rise in your profile and perhaps even enabled your move to other platforms. After all, even the most vituperative critic of yours on Unz helped you build readership and influence.

    Perhaps I am incorrect in my impression, but it is not a lie. I have no desire to have any kind of silly online feud with you, so kindly direct such accusations elsewhere.


    While somewhat appreciated, I have no need for your well-wishes, save them for those who need them.
     
    My well-wishes were graciously given. Pity it was not graciously accepted.

    As I keep saying, shock and disbelief
     
    No doubt many people, commenters here included, will be dismayed by their desired outcomes not coming to fruition in the future. Only the most arrogant and deluded, however, would exempt themselves from the prospect that such might occur to them too (I am reminded of the Melian Dialogue).

    https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/367103075

     

    I don't know what that is and what it's supposed to prove.
  244. @Beckow
    @HenryBaker

    Your Indonesian analogy suffers from two basic problems:
    - Indonesia is more than 10k km from Netherlands; Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
    - Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc...) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population, In Indonesia or Algeria the combined settlers, 'harkis', Chinese minority, etc... were at most 5-10%.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas - you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.

    Your answer to: "Russia refuses to allow a militant NATO-run anti-Russia on its strategic borders" is an incoherent rant saying nothing. You deny the obvious:
    - NATO on Russia's border would be a threat to Russia. Denying it after West invaded Russia again and again (including the Dutch SS) is like denying a nose between your eyes. You cannot admit it because it would be admitting that NATO policy for 15+ years has been provocative. It has finally led to a war. Happy now?


    ...how much we had to coerce the entirety of Europe to come and join NATO
     
    In east-central Europe countries were told that they have to join NATO before they can be in EU. So they did, the average support was luke-warm 40-50% - nobody asked to be in NATO (maybe Poland), but we had to be.

    Scots fought English through 18th century. An older history, older nations.

    Replies: @AP, @HenryBaker

    Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)

    AP already said what I would have said. How much and how long Kievan Rus was even a single state, is debatable anyhow. On top of that nations only need 200 or maybe 100 years to form a completely separate identity. Are you Russian?

    Your 2 points don’t really disprove anything I said. I take issue with them but why go into detail, it’s just a distraction. Must the situation be identical for the rhetoric to be strikingly similar? What I said is that the way Russia is spinning this, and their nationalists discuss it, reminds me of the same old imperialist ways of thinking we shared. Russian nationalists more or less say openly Russia should be an empire and that Ukraine has no right to exist. I notice they are thinking about things in similar patterns, even leading to making the same mistakes that we did (like underestimating initial resistance or thinking a ‘special operation’ or ‘policing action’ will do, why would a ‘fake’ nation resist in the first place?).

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.

    First off, is this more pro-Russian (vaguely 3d worldist) larping, i.e. Russia was never imperial like ‘you’ were, if Russia has an empire, it’s good, but European colonialism is evil?
    Secondly, I don’t consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place. Likewise, I don’t have any real moral judgement on Tsarist Russia. I’m sure you disagree with the first point though, as in the current paradigm everyone pro-Russian now amusingly sees Western racists and nazis everywhere and feels a need to purify Russian history as fundamentally different from ours, un-European, etc. Have fun with that.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.

    Well yes, I consider Tsarist, Soviet, and modern Russia to have inherited an imperialist tradition. That comes with imperialist ways of thinking about ‘small nations’. Colonial empires are empires and Tsarist Russia was an empire.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    @HenryBaker


    ...is debatable anyhow
     
    Sure, and we are debating it.

    But your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today's Russia an empire? They are pretty homogeneous (80-85%), the well-defined former nations formed their own states. There are some exceptions and obviously as everywhere around the world there is ethnic complexity and variance, but it is not what one would describe as a traditional empire. Just a really big country. (I am not a Russian.)

    the rhetoric to be strikingly similar?
     
    So? There only so many different ways one can describe any conflict. The words and phrases will always be similar - that doesn't mean that the underlying situation is the same, or even particularly similar. You just like to relate it to what you know. If you would know more, maybe you would be less narrowly-focused. Ukraine is not and has never been a colony of Russia - that's just nonsense.

    I don’t consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place.
     
    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

    I don't particularly care for Third World bellyaching, but they have a point. The Western, or Dutch, ignorance of others and other viewpoints is so massive that maybe some sympathy is in order. We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything. You won't get far with that - we really don't need another iteration of Western dumb 'we know better' morons. It is the white European, often nationally-oriented people, who excel in this mad oversimplification. In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the 'mistakes'. Now it is back. Maybe we get a better deal with the Third Worlders.

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @German_reader

  245. Just another fake news debunked

    The official story

    And the current state of the Snake Island

  246. @Triteleia Laxa
    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they'll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn't resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone's soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you're in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let's pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Anatoly Karlin

    Like it or not, but what is actually going to happen is that Russia is going to return its rightful demesnes and build a great space-faring Empire, in civilizational harmony with India and the Celestial Empire.

    Meanwhile, Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.

    • Thanks: Pharmakon
    • LOL: prime noticer
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    a great space-faring Empire
     
    space-faring Empire? Like a space empire with extraterrestrial colonies? I think you have to admit that this part at least comes close to trolling.
    Rest of your prediction may of course contain quite a bit of truth.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.
     
    Your obituary is mis-focused.

    SJW, anti-Christian Globalism is indeed doomed. Not-The-President Biden is a closing act on the failure of a racial spoils system.

    Christian Populism will rise from the ruins created by European Davos Elites. A new and better West will be reborn like the phoenix rising from the fire.

    Backing Merkel's attempt to break Christianity with gas via NS2 was a mistake. Russia's 2nd mistake is Sinophilia. Han Chinese outnumber Russians by ~10:1, and there is no chance of converting them to Christianity. Hopefully, Christian Russia will change course in time. As a Christian nation, joining the rightful demesnes of God is the path to salvation.

    PEACE 😇
  247. @Coconuts
    @HenryBaker

    Have you ever read quest ce-que une nation by Renan? That’s the best essay on it imo. Extremely similar cultures can nevertheless form completely dissimilar political identities.
     

    AFAIK Renan's ideas were fairly controversial, geography and environment was an essential factor in the break between the US and the Britain, and that had a lot to do with determining the wills of the British and Americans around this issue. I thought the Flemings remained independent due to the influence of larger European powers who made sure that they didn't join the Netherlands.

    Just using these names to illustrate a point, if the Flemings shared a religion with the Dutch, as well as language and so on, but were being kept independent by the subsidies of a third power (say France), which had on-going bad relations with the Netherlands and did not wish it's population well, Dutch invasion of the territory of the Flemings could well be justified if it was clear that the French cared neither about the common good of the Dutch, nor that of the Flemings, and were just using the latter in an instrumental way. United, sharing language, culture, religious, ethnic ties, the Flemings and Dutch should have a better chance of realising their common good than when divided by mercenary foreigners and factionalist interests in the latter's pay. This angle may even tip the scales and make an invasion a moral obligation.

    Also, the idea that things like popular consent or the 'democratic will' are essential to (or actually the basis of) nationhood is another political narrative, which can be switched out for other accounts of the basis of the legitimacy of political authority and association.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    I thought the Flemings remained independent due to the influence of larger European powers who made sure that they didn’t join the Netherlands.

    Nah, man. The current borders of the Netherlands are more or less just as far as our armies could get in the Dutch Revolt. The Spanish were afraid of total collapse of their positions in the Lowlands multiple times.

    AFAIK Renan’s ideas were fairly controversial, geography and environment was an essential factor in the break between the US and the Britain

    He doesn’t say they’re unimportant, of course there are all sorts of reasons for common feeling. A subjective action is usually based on some good objective reasons. But Canada also shared a different environment and geography, so did Australia and New Zealand… They stuck with the commonwealth. In the end, what is decisive is deciding that you are too different. A nation is a sense of forming a discrete group of people, and a group-identity has to be formed actively
    . Supporting reasons (geography, race) can be quite objective.

    Also, the idea that things like popular consent or the ‘democratic will’ are essential to (or actually the basis of) nationhood is another political narrative

    Right, I guess using the word ‘association’ or ‘voluntary’ once on Unz immediately draws out accusations of naivete or Westernist shilling. (I used voluntarism in the sense of ‘will/willed’, i.e. ‘willed association’, not in the gay democratic legitimacy sense) I know very well that an association is usually simply enforced by a fanatical minority (like the American Patriots more or less purging and terrorizing Loyalists). We also know all too well that American identity and history has been rewritten constantly to suit elite narratives. But I don’t think that this disproves that the sense of identity is most important, even if not always, or even often, all too organic.

    Just using these names to illustrate a point, if the Flemings shared a religion with the Dutch, as well as language and so on, but were being kept independent by the subsidies of a third power (say France), which had on-going bad relations with the Netherlands and did not wish it’s population well, Dutch invasion of the territory of the Flemings could well be justified if it was clear that the French cared neither about the common good of the Dutch, nor that of the Flemings, and were just using the latter in an instrumental way. United, sharing language, culture, religious, ethnic ties, the Flemings and Dutch should have a better chance of realising their common good than when divided by mercenary foreigners and factionalist interests in the latter’s pay. This angle may even tip the scales and make an invasion a moral obligation.

    And if the Flemish *want* to be independent? – If they want to unite with the Dutch, then yes, let’s liberate them!
    What if the Flemish live quite nicely in a prosperous republic, and the Dutch live under a harsh dictatorship? – If they are kept impoverished and dumb, then yes, let’s liberate them!
    What if the Dutch elite is as rapacious as the French elite, and merely uses nationalism as an excuse to grow its power? – If the Dutch elite is virtuous, but the Flemish elite is ignoble, corrupt, and collaborates, then that is an argument in favor of attack.

    The counter-examples are a bit crude and seem Westernist, but honestly your story also lacks the nuance you see in real life.

  248. @Triteleia Laxa
    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place. Russia will be bleeding out in Ukraine and will not even know about it. Instead, they will be congratulating each other on stopping the ever so definite Ukrainian super nuclear space weapons programme. Meanwhile, their country returns to the 90s, but without the sense of hope or Western support that was very real. Or even the novelty. Just depression, bathtub vodka and empty rhetoric.

    At least until Putin goes.

    This is a very sad day, because, although they are currently murdering Ukrainians and destroying with vicious cruelty holy Kiev, mother city of the Eastern Slavs, the Russians are trying their best to find their place in the world. Tragedy is not that people do evil because they want to, but because they do evil while trying to be their most good selves.

    China, if it goes on for years, will not be a kind master. It never is. Not even to Chinese who do not absolutely conform. This is why, in such large lands, there are now most only Han Chinese. Russians, with their poverty, bungled operations, and white skin, will be at the bottom of the pile. Not even acknowledged, but mostly used as exotic prostitutes in high-end hotels across the Chinese East. For the moment, they'll settle for scamming for what material they can.

    This also means that Anatoly Karlin will no longer be able to comment here, most likely, and that his life with get a lot poorer in other ways. I am sorry for you AK and wish you individually the best. Patriotism is a result of many virtues, but it can also end up a trap, as the government which ends up defining you is corrupted by power and resentment.

    Putin, and therefore, by now, everyone who doesn't resist him, was desperate to save Mother Russia, and to rebuild her strong and eternal, but through that desperation corruption has seeped in, and now everything he does is to destroy it, whether he knows or not. And once done, he will feel little but scorn, contempt and rage that Russia and Russians were too weak for his pride. That other Eastern Slavs were brainwashed. That they all got the misery they deserved.

    In truth, this is when someone's soul meets hell. And when they break through into the infernal realm, they will agree that they too deserve it.

    Having made this clear, I look forward to the day when Russia rejoins Europe and again offers her unique talents and textures to the continent. For just as someone enters hell by their own deep desire to suffer, they exit just as much by their volition.

    Best wishes Anatoly, you're in for a terrible ride. None of it will be good, but let's pray that the Ukrainians can win so that at least it is short.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @Anatoly Karlin

    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place.

    Still waiting for martial law to be imposed:

    Still waiting for the “Great Kremlin Firewall”:

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I'm glad you enjoyed my scenario in the other comment, but your soace-faring piece was a bit half-hearted. The only thing that looks like it harmonising with India soon is your development level, in the direction of theirs.

    As for this comment of yours, the lack of those two things you identify just means that Putin doesn't have the will to "win."

    This is good, because "winning" would be losing awfully in the long-run, as per the scenario I laid out.

    If this stuff really doesn't happen then I guess we'll get a negotiated solution as soon as Wednesday, because you're not even winning the easy part of the war (the invasion and field battles.) You still have the difficult part to go (conquering cities.) And the impossible part (pacifying Ukraine.) You seem to have no theatre reserve, no other troops to call in and you're attriting fast. You are on multiple axes, stretched thin, and having your supply lines hit. Meanwhile, the population in the few places you have "secured" is already having minor riots against your goons. This bodes very badly for you. Every day you stay there, is a day you're even less welcome.

    Other than an already nascent insurgency, I'd also worry about those vehicles up around Kyiv. It doesn't seem like they are being sustained in the field. You might be facing a mass surrender, which could lead to a withdrawal under fire on other axes and disaster.

    Perhaps you'll advoid this as you seem to have adopted yet another strategy. This is of sitting where you shove reached and blowing up civilians with artillery. The problem with this is that it doesn't gain you anything. It just adds to your blood debt. Yes, it will slow the shockingly fast degradation of your forces, but it isn't risk free and it achieves nothing. It also invites eventual true NATO intervention, and you must now know that the Russian military would be completely helpless in that scenario.

    In other words, the Russian forces have still yet to achieve anything that matters. They have only advanced into positions where they are much more vulnerable, suffered horrendous casualties to their most motivated troops and seen Ukrainian forces surge in manpower, equipment and morale.

    I could not imagine how it could be going worse.

    I still think the negotiated position I outlined at the beginning of the Russian invasion is the best result for everyone, but I less and less see why Ukrainians would agree. Have we seen an organised military that is more committed to its course in decades? I don't think so. They seem extremely willing to fight until they win, and they will eventually win, because they live there and Russians do not. The only question is how much damage is done to Russia, her military, her economy and, most importantly, her society and spirit in the meantime.

    Some US politician or someone said, long before the war, that Russia would get what it wants in Ukraine because it cares so much more about Ukraine than the US did. That sounded very convincing at the time, but the truth is that the people who really care about Ukraine, much, much more than the Russians, are the Ukrainians.

    As soon as that became obvious, Putin should have found a way out. And this is why war has changed. I thought Russia, of all places, had realised this change. Perhaps your government has, but is just panicked in its incompetence?

    Anyway, sorry about the black pill, but it'll be ok. Russia is now the antagonist in the Ukrainian Great Patriotic War, however with certain manouvres it can be Putinists in that role and Russians as having undergone a journey and been redeemed. It is possible.



    How's the invasion truly going? Looks like Ukraine is not even losing territory so much as using a little of their depth for defence, just as they should.

    https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1503401312754577408?t=ec7PtxcS1xUCPrZQ97l-Jw&s=19

    Also, will most Russians abroad now pretend to be Ukrainian? Forever?

    Replies: @sher singh, @Brás Cubas

  249. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Like it or not, but what is actually going to happen is that Russia is going to return its rightful demesnes and build a great space-faring Empire, in civilizational harmony with India and the Celestial Empire.

    Meanwhile, Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    a great space-faring Empire

    space-faring Empire? Like a space empire with extraterrestrial colonies? I think you have to admit that this part at least comes close to trolling.
    Rest of your prediction may of course contain quite a bit of truth.

    • Agree: HenryBaker
    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @German_reader

    The West is absolutely fucked, that's for sure. We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise. It's all hopeless and one big humiliation ritual at this point. Yet, quickly checking the abysmal Chinese birth rate, and Russian dependence on the primary sector, are they doing *that* much better?

    Replies: @German_reader, @sher singh

  250. @AP
    @Beckow


    Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
     
    “On and off” is a funny way of describing more time spent in different states than in one state in those 1000 years.

    Medieval Rus split up c.1150 into warring principalities. All of them were conquered by the Mongols in 1241. Ukraine became part of Lithuania and Poland. The eastern half was joined to Moscow in c.1650 (500 year gap), most of the western half 100 years later (600 year gap) and then Galicia not until 1939 (about 800 year gap).

    Rather dishonest to describe some kind of 1,000 year shared history.

    Russians in Ukraine (ethnic+speakers of Russian, etc…) are between 1/3 and 1/2 of the population
     
    That’s like saying English in Ireland are 90% of the population, based on language.

    Ukraine was about 20% Russian before the removal of Donbas and Crimea. Probably around 10% Russian now.

    Replies: @Beckow, @Veteran of the Memic Wars

    …The eastern half was joined to Moscow in c.1650, most of the western half 100 years later (600 year gap) and then Galicia not until 1939 (about 800 year gap).

    The eastern half has been a part of Russia for 370 years, Kiev only a bit shorter. I am not sure what your point is, “on and off” is a short-hand, it can be described as separate or as joint, neither one is an absolute truth. But it was not a colony, like “Java” 10k km away, like the Dutch guy claimed.

    Galicia is small, it used to be 10% of Ukraine, today with eastern losses up to 15%.

    We had the argument about the extent of “Russians” in Ukraine before. It is quite substantial if you are objective – identities are mixed and to some extent fluid, it is anywhere from 20 to 40%. There has not been a census since 2001 (why?), and a lot of people identify with the winning side at any given time. They are not “harkis”, or a tiny minority of settlers. The Westerners generally don’t understand this, or pretend not to understand it. It helps with their propaganda.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Beckow


    The eastern half has been a part of Russia for 370 years,
     
    Not quite. It was linked to Russia in 1654 but had a sort of vasal relationship - it had its own army, government, continued to use Polish currency, and even foreign embassies until 1709. It was probably ore free of Moscow than were Poland and Czechoslovakia during the Cold War. After 1709 it continued to have diminished autonomy until 1764. Than after the Revolution it briefly independent before becoming a separate SSR from 1921 until 1991 (so full integration with Russia lasted only 154 years). And it has been independent now for 30 years.

    Kiev only a bit shorter.
     
    Although it is west of the Dnipro River, Kiev was together with Eastern Ukraine, under Moscow, but the city continued to retain its Polish-era Magdeburg Law until the mid-19th century.

    The Western half (not including Kiev) was part of Poland for another 100 years. Not "only a bit shorter."


    I am not sure what your point is
     
    The point is that "1000 years" was more like 400 years, 300 years, or 50 years, depending on what part of Ukraine.

    We had the argument about the extent of “Russians” in Ukraine before. It is quite substantial if you are objective – identities are mixed and to some extent fluid, it is anywhere from 20 to 40%
     
    By self-report its consistently been around 10% in the areas under Kiev's control after 2014. A Russian-speaking Ukrainian isn't a Russian just because Russians (or you) insist he might be.
  251. @HenryBaker
    @AP

    As an aside, the rural parts of the Netherlands have their own, old dialects like Drenths or Gronings. Very hard or impossible to understand for the speakers of 'high' Dutch. These dialects smoothly progress into Western Plattdeutsch or 'flat' German. Therefore, there exists a linguistic group of Germans and Dutch people with more in common linguistically with each other, than either high Dutch or German. Interestingly, the urbane Flemish do seem to speak a variant of 'high' Dutch, just like we do.

    But I agree with your point. Like Ukraine, Holland too was part of a larger super-ethnic empire (the Holy Roman Empire) that seems to have had a very vaguely Germanic identity. Like Ukraine, our separation from the larger empire and ethnos is but a result of the vagaries of history (Holland is a 'coincidental' result of the patchwork inheritance of the Burgundian counts, Habsburg intra-family partitioning, and a religious civil war).

    One distinction: I'm not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism. Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us 'corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry'...

    I myself would not oppose re-unification with the Flemish at all. It would be awkward, but it would work. The Germans... nah. Too different.

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver

    One distinction: I’m not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism.

    Ukraine was part of Poland during its formative years while Russia (actually Muscovy) was under the Mongols-Tatars during its formative years. Russia always trends towards a despotic form of government while Ukrainians prefer democracy, even if it can devolve into chaos or oligarchy. A lot of the Ukrainian-Russian conflict has involved this cultural difference. Ukraine entered Moscow’s orbit in 1654 as an autonomous Hetmanate, which retained at least some “Polish” Republicanism until Moscow finally cancelled it in 1764.

    Ukraine continues to be different from Russia in that it has elections and its people are committed to the democratic system, whereas Russians are satisfied with their despot. (it’s typical that the would-be despot of Ukraine, Yanukovich, was an ethnic Russian from the Russian part of Ukraine, who was overthrown by ethnic Ukrainians who then replaced their post-Maidan president with another through elections).

    The Galician Ukrainians had been under Austria after having been part of Poland, so they experienced more mature democratic processes. While Ukrainians overall prefer democracy, central and eastern ones tend to go for and change allegiances between various oligarch-controlled parties (Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Kolomoysky) while Galicians tend to go for “normal” political parties with specific programs (i.e, Samopomich, Svoboda). It’s a weird parallel – Polish republicanism of the PLC had been dominated by powerful magnates, Austria by right-leaning political parties. And we see Ukrainians behaving accordingly when it comes to politics.

    But all of them reject living under an authoritarian Tsar.

    Ukraine is of course agrarian rather than commerce-based (like the Dutch) but in its “republicanism” vs. despotism I suppose a rough analogy can be made with the Republican Dutch vs. the feudal Germans (ofc German feudalism was much different from Russian despotism).

    Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us ‘corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry’

    This is kind of the Russian nationalist approach to Ukrainians – we are Russians corrupted by Polish-ness and Austrian-ness.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @AP

    Kek, when I was reading your story about Ukraine, I thought 'well this sounds a like a very nationalist narrative about Ukrainian history'. Then it turned out at the bottom that you are indeed Ukrainian. Coincidence?

    Two reasons for some scepticism, about which I may be wrong:
    1. Can the Polish system really be called 'republican'? Wasn't it more like a sort of vice-like grip of the aristocracy on the state? An aristocracy often treating the population like serfs?
    2. Whenever a people says 'we have a natural instinct for democracy whereas our enemy is naturally driven to despotism' that's a reason to be a little wary. Stuff like that is usually a myth.

    I agree with everything else you say though, and I simply support Ukrainian self-determination. Not much more to it. Ideally you'd also have referenda in the Crimea and Donbass on which state to belong to (or just the entirety of Eastern Ukraine), as well as real minority rights for ethnic Russians. All that will never happen, of course, but a man can dream. Funny enough, Renan also says something like this about Alsace-Lorraine: why not just have a real referendum? He then says 'people will just call this idea idiotically simplistic, none will accept it'. So it will always be, I suppose. A nationalist liberal- I always seem to gravitate to the most hopeless political positions.

    Replies: @AP

  252. @German_reader
    @Anatoly Karlin


    a great space-faring Empire
     
    space-faring Empire? Like a space empire with extraterrestrial colonies? I think you have to admit that this part at least comes close to trolling.
    Rest of your prediction may of course contain quite a bit of truth.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    The West is absolutely fucked, that’s for sure. We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise. It’s all hopeless and one big humiliation ritual at this point. Yet, quickly checking the abysmal Chinese birth rate, and Russian dependence on the primary sector, are they doing *that* much better?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @HenryBaker


    We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise.
     
    Yeah, I agree. I don't agree with Karlin's denial of Ukrainian nationhood and really wish Putin hadn't embarked on this war which imo won't lead to anything good for anybody. But the deluded self-righteousness of so much Western commentary is nauseating, and the people representing today's West (stupid, hysterical women who should have stayed in the kitchen, literal faggots, parasitic graduates in bs subjects like sociology and political science, resentful poc) disgust me. One of the worst aspects of this war is that it lends new legitimacy to this rotten regime we have in the West and that anyone objecting to it will be framed as a Putin stooge.
    Maybe China will be able to fix its birth rate...or maybe not (their approach to Corona looks pretty stupid by now after all, so maybe the party's authoritarian power isn't that fabulous). Karlin's hopes for Russia seem exaggerated though.

    Replies: @Beckow, @HenryBaker

    , @sher singh
    @HenryBaker

    How is replacing & lording over you in your ethnic homelands slaveish bellyaching?
    Isn't that what you intended for the rest as evidenced by conditions in the New World?

    Our quarrel with you is religious, but besides the point you consider blacks humans so :shrug:
    Goodbye.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  253. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Like it or not, but what is actually going to happen is that Russia is going to return its rightful demesnes and build a great space-faring Empire, in civilizational harmony with India and the Celestial Empire.

    Meanwhile, Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    Western Supremacists will stew in their cesspit of BLM and the 69 genders, papering over their failures with impotent Russophobia and Sinophobia, for at least the rest of this century, a fitting punishment for their innumerable sins.

    Your obituary is mis-focused.

    SJW, anti-Christian Globalism is indeed doomed. Not-The-President Biden is a closing act on the failure of a racial spoils system.

    Christian Populism will rise from the ruins created by European Davos Elites. A new and better West will be reborn like the phoenix rising from the fire.

    Backing Merkel’s attempt to break Christianity with gas via NS2 was a mistake. Russia’s 2nd mistake is Sinophilia. Han Chinese outnumber Russians by ~10:1, and there is no chance of converting them to Christianity. Hopefully, Christian Russia will change course in time. As a Christian nation, joining the rightful demesnes of God is the path to salvation.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: sher singh
  254. @Beckow
    @AP


    ...The eastern half was joined to Moscow in c.1650, most of the western half 100 years later (600 year gap) and then Galicia not until 1939 (about 800 year gap).
     
    The eastern half has been a part of Russia for 370 years, Kiev only a bit shorter. I am not sure what your point is, "on and off" is a short-hand, it can be described as separate or as joint, neither one is an absolute truth. But it was not a colony, like "Java" 10k km away, like the Dutch guy claimed.

    Galicia is small, it used to be 10% of Ukraine, today with eastern losses up to 15%.

    We had the argument about the extent of "Russians" in Ukraine before. It is quite substantial if you are objective - identities are mixed and to some extent fluid, it is anywhere from 20 to 40%. There has not been a census since 2001 (why?), and a lot of people identify with the winning side at any given time. They are not "harkis", or a tiny minority of settlers. The Westerners generally don't understand this, or pretend not to understand it. It helps with their propaganda.

    Replies: @AP

    The eastern half has been a part of Russia for 370 years,

    Not quite. It was linked to Russia in 1654 but had a sort of vasal relationship – it had its own army, government, continued to use Polish currency, and even foreign embassies until 1709. It was probably ore free of Moscow than were Poland and Czechoslovakia during the Cold War. After 1709 it continued to have diminished autonomy until 1764. Than after the Revolution it briefly independent before becoming a separate SSR from 1921 until 1991 (so full integration with Russia lasted only 154 years). And it has been independent now for 30 years.

    Kiev only a bit shorter.

    Although it is west of the Dnipro River, Kiev was together with Eastern Ukraine, under Moscow, but the city continued to retain its Polish-era Magdeburg Law until the mid-19th century.

    The Western half (not including Kiev) was part of Poland for another 100 years. Not “only a bit shorter.”

    I am not sure what your point is

    The point is that “1000 years” was more like 400 years, 300 years, or 50 years, depending on what part of Ukraine.

    We had the argument about the extent of “Russians” in Ukraine before. It is quite substantial if you are objective – identities are mixed and to some extent fluid, it is anywhere from 20 to 40%

    By self-report its consistently been around 10% in the areas under Kiev’s control after 2014. A Russian-speaking Ukrainian isn’t a Russian just because Russians (or you) insist he might be.

  255. German_reader says:
    @HenryBaker
    @German_reader

    The West is absolutely fucked, that's for sure. We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise. It's all hopeless and one big humiliation ritual at this point. Yet, quickly checking the abysmal Chinese birth rate, and Russian dependence on the primary sector, are they doing *that* much better?

    Replies: @German_reader, @sher singh

    We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise.

    Yeah, I agree. I don’t agree with Karlin’s denial of Ukrainian nationhood and really wish Putin hadn’t embarked on this war which imo won’t lead to anything good for anybody. But the deluded self-righteousness of so much Western commentary is nauseating, and the people representing today’s West (stupid, hysterical women who should have stayed in the kitchen, literal faggots, parasitic graduates in bs subjects like sociology and political science, resentful poc) disgust me. One of the worst aspects of this war is that it lends new legitimacy to this rotten regime we have in the West and that anyone objecting to it will be framed as a Putin stooge.
    Maybe China will be able to fix its birth rate…or maybe not (their approach to Corona looks pretty stupid by now after all, so maybe the party’s authoritarian power isn’t that fabulous). Karlin’s hopes for Russia seem exaggerated though.

    • Agree: HenryBaker
    • Replies: @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...hadn’t embarked on this war which imo won’t lead to anything good for anybody.
     
    But Russia did, so let's deal with the reality. Knowing how extremely cautious Russia has been for 20-30 years, the fact that they chose war suggests that alternatives were worse. Like having NATO in Ukraine.

    the worst aspects of this war is that it lends new legitimacy to this rotten regime we have in the West
     
    It cannot be just the war, but the essential dumbness and conformism of most people in the West. They have been ready to pounce on Russia, or anything Russian - otherwise the very clumsy propaganda wouldn't work. Maybe the people deserve what they have. You will say that without the war the propaganda couldn't succeed - but it seems to me that given the very rapid and joyful adoption by most of the extreme and hateful attitudes, maybe it was always there. As Russians now claim.

    This is it, another unnecessary civil war among white Europeans. There will be no winners, and the wounded will rush to embrace the southern world. But that's what the West chose - they had to push east, they had to try one more time.
    , @HenryBaker
    @German_reader


    the deluded self-righteousness of so much Western commentary is nauseating
     
    It's absolutely ridiculous, regardless of whether NATO expansion is justifiable from a geo-strategic perspective: of course it was a threat to Russia. Not so much in a direct military sense, due to MAD, but more because it would have created a permanent sense of threat and weakness, in Russia. Under Putins watch, the old realm would have been completely stripped down, joined us- with all red lines crossed repeatedly.

    I don't care much for Russian bleating (as if Russia is such a victim, as if we should just leave Eastern Europe at the tender mercies of the Kremlin, as if there is no strategic interest in containment. If the West bombs civilians in Serbia or Iraq, we're Satan, if Russia does it, it's 'tragic but legitimate and also the fault of the West', whatever) but the inability of Westerners to go beyond the first grade level and just see 'Putler' 'going mad' and attacking 'poor innocent Ukraine' is a bit ridiculous.

    And yes this is all quite bad, as most of the RW has now shown to have either no vision (just be neutral, bro) or just shill for Russia. In our moralistic, preaching society, this will not do and the RW has marginalized itself yet again.

  256. @HenryBaker
    @Beckow


    Ukraine and Russia have a long border and history going back 1,000 years as a single state (on and off)
     
    AP already said what I would have said. How much and how long Kievan Rus was even a single state, is debatable anyhow. On top of that nations only need 200 or maybe 100 years to form a completely separate identity. Are you Russian?

    Your 2 points don't really disprove anything I said. I take issue with them but why go into detail, it's just a distraction. Must the situation be identical for the rhetoric to be strikingly similar? What I said is that the way Russia is spinning this, and their nationalists discuss it, reminds me of the same old imperialist ways of thinking we shared. Russian nationalists more or less say openly Russia should be an empire and that Ukraine has no right to exist. I notice they are thinking about things in similar patterns, even leading to making the same mistakes that we did (like underestimating initial resistance or thinking a 'special operation' or 'policing action' will do, why would a 'fake' nation resist in the first place?).

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.
     
    First off, is this more pro-Russian (vaguely 3d worldist) larping, i.e. Russia was never imperial like 'you' were, if Russia has an empire, it's good, but European colonialism is evil?
    Secondly, I don't consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place. Likewise, I don't have any real moral judgement on Tsarist Russia. I'm sure you disagree with the first point though, as in the current paradigm everyone pro-Russian now amusingly sees Western racists and nazis everywhere and feels a need to purify Russian history as fundamentally different from ours, un-European, etc. Have fun with that.

    Your analogy is a half-baked Western nonsense trying to fit everything into your own schemas – you had evil colonial empires, so you see them everywhere. It is quite stupid.
     
    Well yes, I consider Tsarist, Soviet, and modern Russia to have inherited an imperialist tradition. That comes with imperialist ways of thinking about 'small nations'. Colonial empires are empires and Tsarist Russia was an empire.

    Replies: @Beckow

    …is debatable anyhow

    Sure, and we are debating it.

    But your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today’s Russia an empire? They are pretty homogeneous (80-85%), the well-defined former nations formed their own states. There are some exceptions and obviously as everywhere around the world there is ethnic complexity and variance, but it is not what one would describe as a traditional empire. Just a really big country. (I am not a Russian.)

    the rhetoric to be strikingly similar?

    So? There only so many different ways one can describe any conflict. The words and phrases will always be similar – that doesn’t mean that the underlying situation is the same, or even particularly similar. You just like to relate it to what you know. If you would know more, maybe you would be less narrowly-focused. Ukraine is not and has never been a colony of Russia – that’s just nonsense.

    I don’t consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place.

    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

    I don’t particularly care for Third World bellyaching, but they have a point. The Western, or Dutch, ignorance of others and other viewpoints is so massive that maybe some sympathy is in order. We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything. You won’t get far with that – we really don’t need another iteration of Western dumb ‘we know better’ morons. It is the white European, often nationally-oriented people, who excel in this mad oversimplification. In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’. Now it is back. Maybe we get a better deal with the Third Worlders.

    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @Beckow


    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people.
     
    Everyone did this, we were just better at it. It was just one more incarnation of the strong overruling the weak, which has happened since time immemorial. Everyone complaining about this is just resentful they ended up the loser. In a world ruled by force, we ended up stronger- so what? I will not apologize for strength in a world where weakness got your women raped, your children killed, and your people enslaved. Things are (and should be) different now, of course.

    By the way, the Thirdies that threw us out all studied in Western universities and inherited an economy we had built up. They were right to throw us out, and I admire their persistence and will. Our imperialism was truly 'senile' and pointless, and standing in the way of a new world where some kind of international law and legal equality had actually become possible. But people like the Indonesians simply moved on after the fact- that's most admirable of all.

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.
     
    Should I remind you my country was occupied by the nazis? Talking of simplistic thinking- doesn't it give you pause that you are conflating all Westerners (most of them occupied) with the actual nazis waging a war of genocide?
    I was already struck by you mentioning the 'Dutch SS'. The NSB here were hated collaborators and seen as traitors to their country. Most of them fled near the end of the war because they feared execution. There were some Russian collaborator troops, maybe the Russians were nazis too? Please just realize how ludicrous your accusation is and then we can move on.

    your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today’s Russia an empire?
     
    My reasoning is more or less the same as what Dmitry was saying (pure Western-style nationalism is not natural for Russia); and even if Russia is more of a 'fallen empire' now, that doesn't mean its rulers (most of whom consciously saw the disaster that was the fall of the USSR) wouldn't like superpower status to come back. By the way, informally Russia also dominates Belarus and Kazakhstan. According to Anatoly himself it would like Ukraine back. It also likes to intervene in the Caucasus- you can read whatever you want into that. Clearly Russia does not behave like a normal state, at the very least.

    We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything.
     
    But I didn't emotionalize anything, as far as I know. All I get pissed about is ressentiment from Thirdies, and even that's mostly because it feels Europeans are too deluded to understand how much the world hates us. You are extrapolating all sorts of positions from a few things I said.

    I noted that the rhetoric I hear reminds me of the rhetoric I saw when researching decolonization wars. Of course events are never completely similar; I'm also fine with disagreement. Ukraine being a colony or not is not too important to me. It was interesting to me in the sense that 'old nations' tend to underestimate the strength in revolutionary 'young nations', tending to deride that national energy as fake, and then pay the price for that arrogance. That is all.

    nor is it a moral issue to me (the only moral issue, for me, is simple self-determination. But I also support self-determination for the Donbass and Crimea).

    Replies: @Matra, @Beckow

    , @German_reader
    @Beckow


    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

     

    You could frame many of the actions of imperial Russia as "evil". What about its conquest of the Caucasus? There are even claims that it amounted to genocide in some cases:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
    It just smacks of really extreme double standards that you go on and on about the unchanging evil of the West, while completely ignoring anything comparable in Russia's history, just because Russia's influence benefited Slovaks in the 20th century.
    (also, to be blunt, there's something really disgusting about the small peoples of Eastern Europe denigrating the imperial achievements of Western Europeans, as if the fact that you were lorded over by more powerful neighbours for much of your history were something to be proud of and a sign of virtue).

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.
     
    If anything, it was Germans who wanted "most of you" (I suppose that's united Slavdom) dead, and even that is somewhat of an over-simplification. It's very strange that you seek to extend Germany's real or alleged guilt to the entire West, imo can only be explained by some lingering influence of Eastern bloc propaganda. But this has been pointed out to you many times before, with reference to specific points (e.g. the number of Norwegian Waffen-SS members which you over-estimated by a factor of ten or so).

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Beckow

  257. @AP
    @HenryBaker


    One distinction: I’m not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism.
     
    Ukraine was part of Poland during its formative years while Russia (actually Muscovy) was under the Mongols-Tatars during its formative years. Russia always trends towards a despotic form of government while Ukrainians prefer democracy, even if it can devolve into chaos or oligarchy. A lot of the Ukrainian-Russian conflict has involved this cultural difference. Ukraine entered Moscow's orbit in 1654 as an autonomous Hetmanate, which retained at least some "Polish" Republicanism until Moscow finally cancelled it in 1764.

    Ukraine continues to be different from Russia in that it has elections and its people are committed to the democratic system, whereas Russians are satisfied with their despot. (it's typical that the would-be despot of Ukraine, Yanukovich, was an ethnic Russian from the Russian part of Ukraine, who was overthrown by ethnic Ukrainians who then replaced their post-Maidan president with another through elections).

    The Galician Ukrainians had been under Austria after having been part of Poland, so they experienced more mature democratic processes. While Ukrainians overall prefer democracy, central and eastern ones tend to go for and change allegiances between various oligarch-controlled parties (Poroshenko, Tymoshenko, Kolomoysky) while Galicians tend to go for "normal" political parties with specific programs (i.e, Samopomich, Svoboda). It's a weird parallel - Polish republicanism of the PLC had been dominated by powerful magnates, Austria by right-leaning political parties. And we see Ukrainians behaving accordingly when it comes to politics.

    But all of them reject living under an authoritarian Tsar.

    Ukraine is of course agrarian rather than commerce-based (like the Dutch) but in its "republicanism" vs. despotism I suppose a rough analogy can be made with the Republican Dutch vs. the feudal Germans (ofc German feudalism was much different from Russian despotism).

    Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us ‘corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry’
     
    This is kind of the Russian nationalist approach to Ukrainians - we are Russians corrupted by Polish-ness and Austrian-ness.

    Replies: @HenryBaker

    Kek, when I was reading your story about Ukraine, I thought ‘well this sounds a like a very nationalist narrative about Ukrainian history’. Then it turned out at the bottom that you are indeed Ukrainian. Coincidence?

    Two reasons for some scepticism, about which I may be wrong:
    1. Can the Polish system really be called ‘republican’? Wasn’t it more like a sort of vice-like grip of the aristocracy on the state? An aristocracy often treating the population like serfs?
    2. Whenever a people says ‘we have a natural instinct for democracy whereas our enemy is naturally driven to despotism’ that’s a reason to be a little wary. Stuff like that is usually a myth.

    I agree with everything else you say though, and I simply support Ukrainian self-determination. Not much more to it. Ideally you’d also have referenda in the Crimea and Donbass on which state to belong to (or just the entirety of Eastern Ukraine), as well as real minority rights for ethnic Russians. All that will never happen, of course, but a man can dream. Funny enough, Renan also says something like this about Alsace-Lorraine: why not just have a real referendum? He then says ‘people will just call this idea idiotically simplistic, none will accept it’. So it will always be, I suppose. A nationalist liberal- I always seem to gravitate to the most hopeless political positions.

    • Replies: @AP
    @HenryBaker


    when I was reading your story about Ukraine, I thought ‘well this sounds a like a very nationalist narrative about Ukrainian history’.
     
    It's not really nationalist; Ukrainian nationalists deny and minimize Polish influence on Ukrainian culture.

    Can the Polish system really be called ‘republican’? Wasn’t it more like a sort of vice-like grip of the aristocracy on the state? An aristocracy often treating the population like serfs?
     
    It was a republic of nobles (around 10% of the population); the nobles elected the king and other notables, and made laws. Towns enjoyed Magdeburg laws but they were few; most people were serfs with no rights. Interestingly, until the 1810s, the United States had a similar % allowed to vote - around 10%. Though the rest weren't serfs/slaves.

    The Cossack state that emerged in Ukraine similarly had voting by the Cossack officers, who chose the various political positions such as Hetman (leader). It recreated the Polish system, except with Cossack officers taking the role of nobles (although many of them came from gentry). Rank and file Cossacks also enjoyed elections.

    In contrast, western feudalism seemed to have a more hierarchical structure and in Russia, the nobles were simply higher placed and richer servants of the despot.

    In Poland (and Ukraine) this culture eventually filtered down to the former serfs.

    Whenever a people says ‘we have a natural instinct for democracy whereas our enemy is naturally driven to despotism’ that’s a reason to be a little wary.
     
    That's the nature of the political culture and has been stable for centuries. I am not claiming one system is inferior or superior to another. Russia has achieved superpower status with its despotism. Singapore is very successful. China is doing well, after the detour of Maoism. I am just saying that this type of system which is part of Russian culture is a poor fit for Ukrainians, whose political culture looks more like that of their western neighbors.

    Ideally you’d also have referenda in the Crimea and Donbass on which state to belong to (or just the entirety of Eastern Ukraine)
     
    I agree completely.
  258. @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    2. The cosmist movement was obliterated totally by the commies. Except one guy whose name escapes me. One of the biggest Russian rocket scientists before they got German technology after 1945 began his career as a prominent cosmist. He turned over a new leaf when he got the big job in rockets.

    3. Cosmism is arcane. Think Hegel, Heidegger. If K knows more about it than they had a great name I would be surprised.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @songbird, @Bill, @Philip Owen

    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.

    Is Alcor not transhumanist? Just transhumanist-adjacent or something?

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Bill

    The cryogenics companies aim to freeze Yudkowsky's corpse and resurrect / vivify it at some theoretical technological advance. The cosmists (some) wanted to dig up Yudkowsky's dead brother's bones and resurrect / vivify that, presuming the dead guy would think this an obviously great idea.

    Two distinctly different forms of whacko.

  259. @German_reader
    @HenryBaker


    We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise.
     
    Yeah, I agree. I don't agree with Karlin's denial of Ukrainian nationhood and really wish Putin hadn't embarked on this war which imo won't lead to anything good for anybody. But the deluded self-righteousness of so much Western commentary is nauseating, and the people representing today's West (stupid, hysterical women who should have stayed in the kitchen, literal faggots, parasitic graduates in bs subjects like sociology and political science, resentful poc) disgust me. One of the worst aspects of this war is that it lends new legitimacy to this rotten regime we have in the West and that anyone objecting to it will be framed as a Putin stooge.
    Maybe China will be able to fix its birth rate...or maybe not (their approach to Corona looks pretty stupid by now after all, so maybe the party's authoritarian power isn't that fabulous). Karlin's hopes for Russia seem exaggerated though.

    Replies: @Beckow, @HenryBaker

    …hadn’t embarked on this war which imo won’t lead to anything good for anybody.

    But Russia did, so let’s deal with the reality. Knowing how extremely cautious Russia has been for 20-30 years, the fact that they chose war suggests that alternatives were worse. Like having NATO in Ukraine.

    the worst aspects of this war is that it lends new legitimacy to this rotten regime we have in the West

    It cannot be just the war, but the essential dumbness and conformism of most people in the West. They have been ready to pounce on Russia, or anything Russian – otherwise the very clumsy propaganda wouldn’t work. Maybe the people deserve what they have. You will say that without the war the propaganda couldn’t succeed – but it seems to me that given the very rapid and joyful adoption by most of the extreme and hateful attitudes, maybe it was always there. As Russians now claim.

    This is it, another unnecessary civil war among white Europeans. There will be no winners, and the wounded will rush to embrace the southern world. But that’s what the West chose – they had to push east, they had to try one more time.

  260. @Beckow
    @HenryBaker


    ...is debatable anyhow
     
    Sure, and we are debating it.

    But your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today's Russia an empire? They are pretty homogeneous (80-85%), the well-defined former nations formed their own states. There are some exceptions and obviously as everywhere around the world there is ethnic complexity and variance, but it is not what one would describe as a traditional empire. Just a really big country. (I am not a Russian.)

    the rhetoric to be strikingly similar?
     
    So? There only so many different ways one can describe any conflict. The words and phrases will always be similar - that doesn't mean that the underlying situation is the same, or even particularly similar. You just like to relate it to what you know. If you would know more, maybe you would be less narrowly-focused. Ukraine is not and has never been a colony of Russia - that's just nonsense.

    I don’t consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place.
     
    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

    I don't particularly care for Third World bellyaching, but they have a point. The Western, or Dutch, ignorance of others and other viewpoints is so massive that maybe some sympathy is in order. We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything. You won't get far with that - we really don't need another iteration of Western dumb 'we know better' morons. It is the white European, often nationally-oriented people, who excel in this mad oversimplification. In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the 'mistakes'. Now it is back. Maybe we get a better deal with the Third Worlders.

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @German_reader

    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people.

    Everyone did this, we were just better at it. It was just one more incarnation of the strong overruling the weak, which has happened since time immemorial. Everyone complaining about this is just resentful they ended up the loser. In a world ruled by force, we ended up stronger- so what? I will not apologize for strength in a world where weakness got your women raped, your children killed, and your people enslaved. Things are (and should be) different now, of course.

    By the way, the Thirdies that threw us out all studied in Western universities and inherited an economy we had built up. They were right to throw us out, and I admire their persistence and will. Our imperialism was truly ‘senile’ and pointless, and standing in the way of a new world where some kind of international law and legal equality had actually become possible. But people like the Indonesians simply moved on after the fact- that’s most admirable of all.

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.

    Should I remind you my country was occupied by the nazis? Talking of simplistic thinking- doesn’t it give you pause that you are conflating all Westerners (most of them occupied) with the actual nazis waging a war of genocide?
    I was already struck by you mentioning the ‘Dutch SS’. The NSB here were hated collaborators and seen as traitors to their country. Most of them fled near the end of the war because they feared execution. There were some Russian collaborator troops, maybe the Russians were nazis too? Please just realize how ludicrous your accusation is and then we can move on.

    your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today’s Russia an empire?

    My reasoning is more or less the same as what Dmitry was saying (pure Western-style nationalism is not natural for Russia); and even if Russia is more of a ‘fallen empire’ now, that doesn’t mean its rulers (most of whom consciously saw the disaster that was the fall of the USSR) wouldn’t like superpower status to come back. By the way, informally Russia also dominates Belarus and Kazakhstan. According to Anatoly himself it would like Ukraine back. It also likes to intervene in the Caucasus- you can read whatever you want into that. Clearly Russia does not behave like a normal state, at the very least.

    We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything.

    But I didn’t emotionalize anything, as far as I know. All I get pissed about is ressentiment from Thirdies, and even that’s mostly because it feels Europeans are too deluded to understand how much the world hates us. You are extrapolating all sorts of positions from a few things I said.

    I noted that the rhetoric I hear reminds me of the rhetoric I saw when researching decolonization wars. Of course events are never completely similar; I’m also fine with disagreement. Ukraine being a colony or not is not too important to me. It was interesting to me in the sense that ‘old nations’ tend to underestimate the strength in revolutionary ‘young nations’, tending to deride that national energy as fake, and then pay the price for that arrogance. That is all.

    nor is it a moral issue to me (the only moral issue, for me, is simple self-determination. But I also support self-determination for the Donbass and Crimea).

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Matra
    @HenryBaker


    Should I remind you my country was occupied by the nazis? Talking of simplistic thinking- doesn’t it give you pause that you are conflating all Westerners (most of them occupied) with the actual nazis waging a war of genocide?

    ...There were some Russian collaborator troops, maybe the Russians were nazis too?
     
    I think the guy you are arguing with is from Slovakia, a country famous for its unrelenting resistance to, and refusal to collaborate with, the Nazis.

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @Beckow
    @HenryBaker

    Ok, tough guy. I suppose it is not evil, just winning. And fools are not fools as long as they succeed.


    Things are (and should be) different now, of course.
     
    The 'of course' in that statement is precious. So very Dutch, it reeks off post-imperial wokeness.

    "Of course, we don't do it anymore. And when we do it - Iraq, Libya, Serbia etc... - it is different, it is for virtue. Before we did it because we were tough and winners. But now, it is not the same. Of course."

    Eurotrash never fails to amuse. They are so deep in their second-rate vapid narcissism and badly hidden regrets, they go half-Nietsche-half-Hollywood without ever realizing that now they are like walking oxymorons with no agency. Of course.


    Clearly Russia does not behave like a normal state, at the very least.
     
    Who does? How do they behave normally? Do you mean they have better PR when they invade, bomb and control others? Was Tony Blair normal, was Bush? And the eventual compulsory forgetting. Maybe Russians are too lazy to do all of that.

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @HenryBaker

  261. @HenryBaker
    @German_reader

    The West is absolutely fucked, that's for sure. We stand for nothing but sodomy, abortion, mass immigration, and self-hate. On top of that the rest of the world hates our ass (mostly out of ressentiment and hypocritical slave morality, to be sure, but what can you do?) and probably fantasizes about our timely demise. It's all hopeless and one big humiliation ritual at this point. Yet, quickly checking the abysmal Chinese birth rate, and Russian dependence on the primary sector, are they doing *that* much better?

    Replies: @German_reader, @sher singh

    How is replacing & lording over you in your ethnic homelands slaveish bellyaching?
    Isn’t that what you intended for the rest as evidenced by conditions in the New World?

    Our quarrel with you is religious, but besides the point you consider blacks humans so :shrug:
    Goodbye.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  262. German_reader says:
    @Beckow
    @HenryBaker


    ...is debatable anyhow
     
    Sure, and we are debating it.

    But your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today's Russia an empire? They are pretty homogeneous (80-85%), the well-defined former nations formed their own states. There are some exceptions and obviously as everywhere around the world there is ethnic complexity and variance, but it is not what one would describe as a traditional empire. Just a really big country. (I am not a Russian.)

    the rhetoric to be strikingly similar?
     
    So? There only so many different ways one can describe any conflict. The words and phrases will always be similar - that doesn't mean that the underlying situation is the same, or even particularly similar. You just like to relate it to what you know. If you would know more, maybe you would be less narrowly-focused. Ukraine is not and has never been a colony of Russia - that's just nonsense.

    I don’t consider our colonial empires to have been evil in the first place.
     
    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

    I don't particularly care for Third World bellyaching, but they have a point. The Western, or Dutch, ignorance of others and other viewpoints is so massive that maybe some sympathy is in order. We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything. You won't get far with that - we really don't need another iteration of Western dumb 'we know better' morons. It is the white European, often nationally-oriented people, who excel in this mad oversimplification. In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the 'mistakes'. Now it is back. Maybe we get a better deal with the Third Worlders.

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @German_reader

    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

    You could frame many of the actions of imperial Russia as “evil”. What about its conquest of the Caucasus? There are even claims that it amounted to genocide in some cases:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
    It just smacks of really extreme double standards that you go on and on about the unchanging evil of the West, while completely ignoring anything comparable in Russia’s history, just because Russia’s influence benefited Slovaks in the 20th century.
    (also, to be blunt, there’s something really disgusting about the small peoples of Eastern Europe denigrating the imperial achievements of Western Europeans, as if the fact that you were lorded over by more powerful neighbours for much of your history were something to be proud of and a sign of virtue).

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.

    If anything, it was Germans who wanted “most of you” (I suppose that’s united Slavdom) dead, and even that is somewhat of an over-simplification. It’s very strange that you seek to extend Germany’s real or alleged guilt to the entire West, imo can only be explained by some lingering influence of Eastern bloc propaganda. But this has been pointed out to you many times before, with reference to specific points (e.g. the number of Norwegian Waffen-SS members which you over-estimated by a factor of ten or so).

    • Agree: HenryBaker
    • Replies: @HenryBaker
    @German_reader


    (also, to be blunt, there’s something really disgusting about the small peoples of Eastern Europe denigrating the imperial achievements of Western Europeans, as if the fact that you were lorded over by more powerful neighbours for much of your history were something to be proud of and a sign of virtue).
     
    That's just slave morality. The weak turning their own weakness into a source of virtue as a way to cope with their lack of control over their lives.

    According to Nietzsche, masters create morality; slaves respond to master morality with their slave morality. Unlike master morality, which is sentiment, slave morality is based on re-sentiment—devaluing what the master values and the slave does not have. As master morality originates in the strong, slave morality originates in the weak. Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it vilifies its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as good.
     

    It just smacks of really extreme double standards that you go on and on about the unchanging evil of the West, while completely ignoring anything comparable in Russia’s history, just because Russia’s influence benefited Slovaks in the 20th century.
     
    Any culture in conflict with another does this, to be honest. No humans are really all that much better or worse than other, yet we constantly make up stories denigrating the foe and raising up the friend. In all honesty, there's a lot to hate about the West, and a lot to hate about Russia. But in the end, you've got to support your own team, because you just can't trust others to extend any sort of helping hand to you. If you keep on apologizing to other people, they just see it as weakness, an admission of guilt, a sign of you being prey.
    , @Beckow
    @German_reader


    ...What about its conquest of the Caucasus?
     
    What about it? Russia didn't go far, they were neighbours. Some of it was evil, but there were two factors: a large orthodox Christian population that begged to be saved (yes, Georgia, Armenia) and the tribal raiding, kidnapping and hostage taking by the Circassians. They paid a very high price, that happens, they were no angels. It is different from what the Dutch did in Java, French in Africa, Germans in Namibia, British in India.

    it was Germans who wanted “most of you” (I suppose that’s united Slavdom) dead, and even that is somewhat of an over-simplification.
     
    All statements of that nature are an over-simplification. Yet it is true that Germans and their numerous allies had a plan. It failed, so now we call it an over-simplification. Dutch, French or Norwegians were not particularly bothered by the plan, "Nazis, go east" was a common attitude. Some even went along.

    You like to dismiss any arguments that you don't like as 'propaganda'. That shuts down thinking. Then you get upset about the current war, but you never answer the core underlying questions: why did NATO go east? what for? and why insist on Ukraine in NATO? what exactly other than a war were the options available to Russia?
  263. @AaronB
    @Dmitry

    Yes, I completely agree with you that Russia now stands for imperialism and not nationalism.

    But all imperialism either starts with, or quickly develops, some sort of "cosmic vision" that justifies their rule over over foreign nations. Even if initially, it starts as mere conquest.

    I think we in the West, stuck in our stupid "rationalist", realpolitik mindset which is so shallow, or else filtering everything through outdated ideological concepts like liberalism vs fascism, have not paid sufficient attention the what appears to be a truly radical "cosmic vision" that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.

    Even if Karlin represents the extreme edge of this and is not representative, reading Putin and other mainstream Russian apologists words, and the fact that Karlins Cosmist vision is experiencing renewed interest in Russia, suggests something far stranger and more interesting than we Westerners can understand with our simple categories may well be going on.

    But the breakdown in communication that is such a feature of our times makes us analyze Russia entirely in terms familiar to our own discourse - we ignore evidence that an unusual alternative discourse is emerging in Russia.

    In short, we in the West exist in an echo chamber and may have lost the ability to perceive that other parts of the world are developing unusual alternative discourses.

    Even if, as I believe, "civilizational conflict" of the Sam Huntington type is completely the wrong paradigm with which to view the emerging global fault lines.

    There are no civilizations anymore. Understanding modern China by reference to it's traditional past is a farce. There has been a break, a discontinuity.

    Rather, the new fault lines are along different visions of modernity - but modernity itself is the one dominant global civilization.

    The West with it's Woke and transgender ideology, is clearly a related philosophy to Russian Cosmism at root.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry

    Russia now stands for

    It’s not “Russia stands for”, but what is one of the politically correct narratives allowed by the government. Everything is just “top-down”, i.e. from a few people’s decisions. This is about pro-government narratives.

    cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.

    In Soviet times, there was a ideology, for the imperialism (Marxism–Leninism is self-interested trash i.e. ideology, unlike real Marxism which aspired for philosophy), whereas today there is only the dream of Timati opening a Black Star Burger in your home city after shelling has ended.

    But in most of history, there is no need for ideology to justify a conquest. Rather, conquest is a result of violence and you can invent some excuse after, and people can call your excuse ideology, while you are really appropriating the resources and slaves from the conquered land. I’m not even sure the British Empire has much of an ideology during most of its early expansion. Ideology about British imperialism, seems more an aspect of the second half of the 19th century.

    ssian Cosmism

    Lol your interest from New age, Madame Blavatsky, etc.

    modern China by reference to it’s traditional

    But if the population are excited to have a washing machine, a new car, a refrigerator. This is the historical stage of China. Their population is enjoying rising to the middle income countries, unlike in the 20th century when they experienced poverty and political repressions.

    in China, there is also perhaps some indication their political class can be going in the postsoviet way of attaining and needing to hide larger profits than should be official allowed within the society.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Dmitry

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/953078784544899092/unknown.png

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  264. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

     

    You could frame many of the actions of imperial Russia as "evil". What about its conquest of the Caucasus? There are even claims that it amounted to genocide in some cases:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
    It just smacks of really extreme double standards that you go on and on about the unchanging evil of the West, while completely ignoring anything comparable in Russia's history, just because Russia's influence benefited Slovaks in the 20th century.
    (also, to be blunt, there's something really disgusting about the small peoples of Eastern Europe denigrating the imperial achievements of Western Europeans, as if the fact that you were lorded over by more powerful neighbours for much of your history were something to be proud of and a sign of virtue).

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.
     
    If anything, it was Germans who wanted "most of you" (I suppose that's united Slavdom) dead, and even that is somewhat of an over-simplification. It's very strange that you seek to extend Germany's real or alleged guilt to the entire West, imo can only be explained by some lingering influence of Eastern bloc propaganda. But this has been pointed out to you many times before, with reference to specific points (e.g. the number of Norwegian Waffen-SS members which you over-estimated by a factor of ten or so).

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Beckow

    (also, to be blunt, there’s something really disgusting about the small peoples of Eastern Europe denigrating the imperial achievements of Western Europeans, as if the fact that you were lorded over by more powerful neighbours for much of your history were something to be proud of and a sign of virtue).

    That’s just slave morality. The weak turning their own weakness into a source of virtue as a way to cope with their lack of control over their lives.

    According to Nietzsche, masters create morality; slaves respond to master morality with their slave morality. Unlike master morality, which is sentiment, slave morality is based on re-sentiment—devaluing what the master values and the slave does not have. As master morality originates in the strong, slave morality originates in the weak. Because slave morality is a reaction to oppression, it vilifies its oppressors. Slave morality is the inverse of master morality. As such, it is characterized by pessimism and cynicism. Slave morality is created in opposition to what master morality values as good.

    It just smacks of really extreme double standards that you go on and on about the unchanging evil of the West, while completely ignoring anything comparable in Russia’s history, just because Russia’s influence benefited Slovaks in the 20th century.

    Any culture in conflict with another does this, to be honest. No humans are really all that much better or worse than other, yet we constantly make up stories denigrating the foe and raising up the friend. In all honesty, there’s a lot to hate about the West, and a lot to hate about Russia. But in the end, you’ve got to support your own team, because you just can’t trust others to extend any sort of helping hand to you. If you keep on apologizing to other people, they just see it as weakness, an admission of guilt, a sign of you being prey.

  265. @Dmitry
    @AaronB


    Russia now stands for
     
    It's not "Russia stands for", but what is one of the politically correct narratives allowed by the government. Everything is just "top-down", i.e. from a few people's decisions. This is about pro-government narratives.

    cosmic vision” that is emerging to justify Russian imperialism.
     
    In Soviet times, there was a ideology, for the imperialism (Marxism–Leninism is self-interested trash i.e. ideology, unlike real Marxism which aspired for philosophy), whereas today there is only the dream of Timati opening a Black Star Burger in your home city after shelling has ended.

    But in most of history, there is no need for ideology to justify a conquest. Rather, conquest is a result of violence and you can invent some excuse after, and people can call your excuse ideology, while you are really appropriating the resources and slaves from the conquered land. I'm not even sure the British Empire has much of an ideology during most of its early expansion. Ideology about British imperialism, seems more an aspect of the second half of the 19th century.


    ssian Cosmism
     
    Lol your interest from New age, Madame Blavatsky, etc.

    modern China by reference to it’s traditional
     
    But if the population are excited to have a washing machine, a new car, a refrigerator. This is the historical stage of China. Their population is enjoying rising to the middle income countries, unlike in the 20th century when they experienced poverty and political repressions.

    in China, there is also perhaps some indication their political class can be going in the postsoviet way of attaining and needing to hide larger profits than should be official allowed within the society.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZs2i3Bpxx4

    Replies: @sher singh

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @sher singh

    Dmitry is long in shock and disbelief, his entire world is crumbling all around him.

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1493177927390871553

  266. @sher singh
    @Dmitry

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/953078784544899092/unknown.png

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Dmitry is long in shock and disbelief, his entire world is crumbling all around him.

    • LOL: sher singh
  267. That’s pretty based (the Nike Investigation).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @HenryBaker

    Karlin is misreporting a story for some reason though.

    A customer complained to the investigative committee about use of Oriental (East Asian) and African models in Nike advertising.

    This was a funny story for the media. But one man sending an application of complaint to the authorities, is not the same as the authorities themselves complaining. https://www.m24.ru/articles/obshchestvo/16022022/431333 The lawyers the journalists asked said he will very likely not win the case.

    So, I'm not sure why Karlin reports to Westerners without including the sources he used. In this sense, it looks like he can be reported as "doing some anti-advertising of Russia" for Western consumption, based on Western sensitivities.

    -

    As for the situation with the advertising with "exotic nationalities", it's a typical kind of cargo cult. But I think it's the same in other countries, like China, etc, they like to hire Russian models for all their advertising. I wonder if in China they also hire African models, but it's known they love to hire Russian models.

    Look at the pictures of 20:10 in the new mall in Uralmash. These African models are not the representative nationalities of Uralmash lol, although there are areas which are being flooded with central asians and caucasians.

    https://youtu.be/A6_-rnRhNQE?t=1211

    -

    On the news of the brands. A lot of Western brands are suspending the shops in Russia, after the invasion in Ukraine. The question is whether this will be temporary or not. I think so far, it has an indication they want to only temporarily suspend (most of the companies are still paying salaries).

    Replies: @for-the-record

  268. @prime noticer
    first major war since the advent of the internet, so it's interesting to see what a million different people think about it. wonder if this is what it was like 100 years ago and earlier, except nobody knew what was going on in a million other people's heads as the conflict unfolded.

    while not aimed at any of the posters here, i regret that i now have to hear the internal thought processes of so many mediocre, annoying media people and leftists. we were a thousand times better off before sports athletes and media types were able to broadcast their thoughts daily. the daily spew from their tiny brains is vastly better off contained within their skulls permanently.

    it does present an interesting case study for understanding the history of technology, the human march out of ancient history from a zero technology world and into the modern world, and other Charles Murray type pursuits. in that it shows 99% of people have NOTHING of value to contribute to anything, and we can see in real time that like 1% of the humans do all the important work and thinking.

    Replies: @silviosilver, @Commentator Mike, @Barbarossa

    in that it shows 99% of people have NOTHING of value to contribute to anything, and we can see in real time that like 1% of the humans do all the important work and thinking.

    That is a rather uncharitable way to put it. Presumably, you are talking about contributing nothing of value to human advancement, in which case the real proportion may well be far lower than 1%; but otherwise, vast numbers of the 99% contribute love, warmth, kindness, caring, friendship, companionship, and often have interesting, attractive personalities despite the incoherence of their belief systems (which are indeed cringe when heard spoken out loud). That’s very fortunate, since it is these qualities that contribute to most of the lasting happiness we experience over the course of our lives. Advances in technology and medicine are certainly very welcome, but their novelty quickly wears off and we take them for granted and, rightly or wrongly, they mean very little to us.

    (Also, the cringey incoherency of belief systems also applies to many in the 1% or .1%, whose expertise, it is not too much of a stretch to say, can be likened to having mastered an instruction manual. Otherwise, they too often fall for and espouse moronic and inconsistent beliefs.)

    • Agree: AP, HenryBaker
    • Replies: @AaronB
    @silviosilver

    Good lord Silvio! Is this really you?

    What a lovely - and deeply true - comment. I think this forum is having a positive effect on you.

    Replies: @silviosilver

    , @prime noticer
    @silviosilver

    i appreciate the sentiment, but that was a long way of saying that 99% of humans really only contribute by making more humans. that's not nothing of course. but they shouldn't have the platform that year 2022 internet gives their voices, either. the average person has nothing at all of value to say, and allowing millions of them to form these incorrect hive minds that start to influence the decision makers, is a dangerous situation. 20 million stupid people on social media think we should No Fly Zone 'em into oblivion and then bomb 'em back into the stone age. and that many people can't be wrong, Mr Senator. fire up the B-52s.

    part of the reason things are going so crazy is BECAUSE of the platforming of the average stupid person which the internet enables, which creates these hive mind groups, which in turn accelerate social and cultural changes and movements, so now entire countries lurch from weird social campaign to weird social campaign at light speed, because they can all meet, organize, and force project on the internet. things that would have taken years before social media, and decades before internet. in 2 years these morons turned from infectious disease experts, then into Ukraine and nuclear war experts. who knows what it will be 1 year from now and what idiotic thing they will move on to at the drop of a dime, after Russian forces have accomplished their goals in a conventional conflict in Ukraine.

    Replies: @silviosilver

  269. @HenryBaker
    @AP

    As an aside, the rural parts of the Netherlands have their own, old dialects like Drenths or Gronings. Very hard or impossible to understand for the speakers of 'high' Dutch. These dialects smoothly progress into Western Plattdeutsch or 'flat' German. Therefore, there exists a linguistic group of Germans and Dutch people with more in common linguistically with each other, than either high Dutch or German. Interestingly, the urbane Flemish do seem to speak a variant of 'high' Dutch, just like we do.

    But I agree with your point. Like Ukraine, Holland too was part of a larger super-ethnic empire (the Holy Roman Empire) that seems to have had a very vaguely Germanic identity. Like Ukraine, our separation from the larger empire and ethnos is but a result of the vagaries of history (Holland is a 'coincidental' result of the patchwork inheritance of the Burgundian counts, Habsburg intra-family partitioning, and a religious civil war).

    One distinction: I'm not sure how Ukraine developed culturally, but I must say that Dutch society does veer off very sharply from wider Germany in the 17th century due to our proto-capitalism and republicanism. Only racial theorists like the nazis would really claim that we are Germans- even then, they considered us 'corrupted by liberalism and freemasonry'...

    I myself would not oppose re-unification with the Flemish at all. It would be awkward, but it would work. The Germans... nah. Too different.

    Replies: @AP, @silviosilver

    I myself would not oppose re-unification with the Flemish at all. It would be awkward, but it would work. The Germans… nah. Too different.

    Good to see that you are focused on the most urgent of political issues.

    Whether the Islamo-Africans of the Netherlands shall merge with the Islamo-Africans of Flanders or the Islamo-Africans of Germany over the course of this century is indeed a weighty consideration.

    • LOL: HenryBaker
  270. @silviosilver
    @prime noticer


    in that it shows 99% of people have NOTHING of value to contribute to anything, and we can see in real time that like 1% of the humans do all the important work and thinking.
     
    That is a rather uncharitable way to put it. Presumably, you are talking about contributing nothing of value to human advancement, in which case the real proportion may well be far lower than 1%; but otherwise, vast numbers of the 99% contribute love, warmth, kindness, caring, friendship, companionship, and often have interesting, attractive personalities despite the incoherence of their belief systems (which are indeed cringe when heard spoken out loud). That's very fortunate, since it is these qualities that contribute to most of the lasting happiness we experience over the course of our lives. Advances in technology and medicine are certainly very welcome, but their novelty quickly wears off and we take them for granted and, rightly or wrongly, they mean very little to us.

    (Also, the cringey incoherency of belief systems also applies to many in the 1% or .1%, whose expertise, it is not too much of a stretch to say, can be likened to having mastered an instruction manual. Otherwise, they too often fall for and espouse moronic and inconsistent beliefs.)

    Replies: @AaronB, @prime noticer

    Good lord Silvio! Is this really you?

    What a lovely – and deeply true – comment. I think this forum is having a positive effect on you.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    @AaronB

    Actually, I've never believed any differently. Call me naive, but I had until now considered it too obvious to bother putting into words.

  271. @German_reader
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-nato-country-estonia-calls-for-immediate-establishment-of-no-fly-zone

    Pure idiocy (as is their posturing about "war crimes have to be punished", and a roadmap for Ukrainian NATO/EU membership).

    Replies: @songbird

    I’m starting to perceive no-fly-zones as a sign of degeneracy.

    Would Iraq have been invaded, without the earlier institution of a no-fly-zone? What about the bombing of Serbia? The destabilization of Libya? Those are our historical examples. In a way, each one lead to the next, and each was a slippery slope, ultimately bringing us here.

    They amount to radical egalitarianism on the battlefield. A complete distortion of the timeless reality of war, which saw strength as a virtue, or even honor in defeat. And just like each egalitarianism at home, there is a complete failure to acknowledge the costs of it, or what it could lead to. To acknowledge its true nature.

    It was only two years after the first was implemented in Iraq that the US military enacted “Don’t ask, don’t tell” which was the first step in mainstreaming gays in the military. And now they own the place.

    The very idea of a no-fly-zone is embracing the gorgon that is modern America.

  272. @HenryBaker
    That's pretty based (the Nike Investigation).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Karlin is misreporting a story for some reason though.

    A customer complained to the investigative committee about use of Oriental (East Asian) and African models in Nike advertising.

    This was a funny story for the media. But one man sending an application of complaint to the authorities, is not the same as the authorities themselves complaining. https://www.m24.ru/articles/obshchestvo/16022022/431333 The lawyers the journalists asked said he will very likely not win the case.

    So, I’m not sure why Karlin reports to Westerners without including the sources he used. In this sense, it looks like he can be reported as “doing some anti-advertising of Russia” for Western consumption, based on Western sensitivities.

    As for the situation with the advertising with “exotic nationalities”, it’s a typical kind of cargo cult. But I think it’s the same in other countries, like China, etc, they like to hire Russian models for all their advertising. I wonder if in China they also hire African models, but it’s known they love to hire Russian models.

    Look at the pictures of 20:10 in the new mall in Uralmash. These African models are not the representative nationalities of Uralmash lol, although there are areas which are being flooded with central asians and caucasians.

    On the news of the brands. A lot of Western brands are suspending the shops in Russia, after the invasion in Ukraine. The question is whether this will be temporary or not. I think so far, it has an indication they want to only temporarily suspend (most of the companies are still paying salaries).

    • Replies: @for-the-record
    @Dmitry

    I wonder if in China they also hire African models

    Of course they do!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Few8kJ0zfnY

    Replies: @Dmitry

  273. @HenryBaker
    @Beckow


    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people.
     
    Everyone did this, we were just better at it. It was just one more incarnation of the strong overruling the weak, which has happened since time immemorial. Everyone complaining about this is just resentful they ended up the loser. In a world ruled by force, we ended up stronger- so what? I will not apologize for strength in a world where weakness got your women raped, your children killed, and your people enslaved. Things are (and should be) different now, of course.

    By the way, the Thirdies that threw us out all studied in Western universities and inherited an economy we had built up. They were right to throw us out, and I admire their persistence and will. Our imperialism was truly 'senile' and pointless, and standing in the way of a new world where some kind of international law and legal equality had actually become possible. But people like the Indonesians simply moved on after the fact- that's most admirable of all.

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.
     
    Should I remind you my country was occupied by the nazis? Talking of simplistic thinking- doesn't it give you pause that you are conflating all Westerners (most of them occupied) with the actual nazis waging a war of genocide?
    I was already struck by you mentioning the 'Dutch SS'. The NSB here were hated collaborators and seen as traitors to their country. Most of them fled near the end of the war because they feared execution. There were some Russian collaborator troops, maybe the Russians were nazis too? Please just realize how ludicrous your accusation is and then we can move on.

    your analogy is very shaky: Russia was an empire, and Soviets too. But how is today’s Russia an empire?
     
    My reasoning is more or less the same as what Dmitry was saying (pure Western-style nationalism is not natural for Russia); and even if Russia is more of a 'fallen empire' now, that doesn't mean its rulers (most of whom consciously saw the disaster that was the fall of the USSR) wouldn't like superpower status to come back. By the way, informally Russia also dominates Belarus and Kazakhstan. According to Anatoly himself it would like Ukraine back. It also likes to intervene in the Caucasus- you can read whatever you want into that. Clearly Russia does not behave like a normal state, at the very least.

    We can see today roughly the same in Ukraine: very shallow stereotypes and propaganda, all of it extremely self-serving, lying about very basic facts, trying to emotionalize everything.
     
    But I didn't emotionalize anything, as far as I know. All I get pissed about is ressentiment from Thirdies, and even that's mostly because it feels Europeans are too deluded to understand how much the world hates us. You are extrapolating all sorts of positions from a few things I said.

    I noted that the rhetoric I hear reminds me of the rhetoric I saw when researching decolonization wars. Of course events are never completely similar; I'm also fine with disagreement. Ukraine being a colony or not is not too important to me. It was interesting to me in the sense that 'old nations' tend to underestimate the strength in revolutionary 'young nations', tending to deride that national energy as fake, and then pay the price for that arrogance. That is all.

    nor is it a moral issue to me (the only moral issue, for me, is simple self-determination. But I also support self-determination for the Donbass and Crimea).

    Replies: @Matra, @Beckow

    Should I remind you my country was occupied by the nazis? Talking of simplistic thinking- doesn’t it give you pause that you are conflating all Westerners (most of them occupied) with the actual nazis waging a war of genocide?

    …There were some Russian collaborator troops, maybe the Russians were nazis too?

    I think the guy you are arguing with is from Slovakia, a country famous for its unrelenting resistance to, and refusal to collaborate with, the Nazis.

    • LOL: utu
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Matra


    I think the guy you are arguing with is from Slovakia, a country famous for its unrelenting resistance to, and refusal to collaborate with, the Nazis.
     
    Is this irony or just extreme ignorance as Slovakia in reality was textbook example of Nazi collaborationism movement in Europe?:

    The (First) Slovak Republic (Slovak: [Prvá] Slovenská republika), otherwise known as the Slovak State (Slovenský štát), was a partially-recognized client state of Nazi Germany which existed between 14 March 1939 and 4 April 1945. The Slovak part of Czechoslovakia declared independence with German support one day before the German occupation of Bohemia and Moravia. The Slovak Republic controlled the majority of the territory of present-day Slovakia but without its current southern parts, which were ceded by Czechoslovakia to Hungary in 1938. It was the first time in history that Slovakia had been a formally independent state.

    A one-party state governed by the far-right Hlinka's Slovak People's Party, the Slovak Republic is primarily known for its collaboration with Nazi Germany, which included sending troops to the invasion of Poland in September 1939 and the invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. In 1942, the country deported 58,000 Jews (two-thirds of the Slovak Jewish population) to German-occupied Poland, paying Germany 500 Reichsmarks each. After an increase in the activity of anti-Nazi Slovak partisans, Germany invaded Slovakia, triggering a major uprising. The Slovak Republic was abolished after the Soviet occupation in 1945 and its territory was reintegrated into the recreated Third Czechoslovak Republic.
     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovak_Republic_(1939%E2%80%931945)

    Replies: @Yevardian

  274. AP says:
    @HenryBaker
    @AP

    Kek, when I was reading your story about Ukraine, I thought 'well this sounds a like a very nationalist narrative about Ukrainian history'. Then it turned out at the bottom that you are indeed Ukrainian. Coincidence?

    Two reasons for some scepticism, about which I may be wrong:
    1. Can the Polish system really be called 'republican'? Wasn't it more like a sort of vice-like grip of the aristocracy on the state? An aristocracy often treating the population like serfs?
    2. Whenever a people says 'we have a natural instinct for democracy whereas our enemy is naturally driven to despotism' that's a reason to be a little wary. Stuff like that is usually a myth.

    I agree with everything else you say though, and I simply support Ukrainian self-determination. Not much more to it. Ideally you'd also have referenda in the Crimea and Donbass on which state to belong to (or just the entirety of Eastern Ukraine), as well as real minority rights for ethnic Russians. All that will never happen, of course, but a man can dream. Funny enough, Renan also says something like this about Alsace-Lorraine: why not just have a real referendum? He then says 'people will just call this idea idiotically simplistic, none will accept it'. So it will always be, I suppose. A nationalist liberal- I always seem to gravitate to the most hopeless political positions.

    Replies: @AP

    when I was reading your story about Ukraine, I thought ‘well this sounds a like a very nationalist narrative about Ukrainian history’.

    It’s not really nationalist; Ukrainian nationalists deny and minimize Polish influence on Ukrainian culture.

    Can the Polish system really be called ‘republican’? Wasn’t it more like a sort of vice-like grip of the aristocracy on the state? An aristocracy often treating the population like serfs?

    It was a republic of nobles (around 10% of the population); the nobles elected the king and other notables, and made laws. Towns enjoyed Magdeburg laws but they were few; most people were serfs with no rights. Interestingly, until the 1810s, the United States had a similar % allowed to vote – around 10%. Though the rest weren’t serfs/slaves.

    The Cossack state that emerged in Ukraine similarly had voting by the Cossack officers, who chose the various political positions such as Hetman (leader). It recreated the Polish system, except with Cossack officers taking the role of nobles (although many of them came from gentry). Rank and file Cossacks also enjoyed elections.

    In contrast, western feudalism seemed to have a more hierarchical structure and in Russia, the nobles were simply higher placed and richer servants of the despot.

    In Poland (and Ukraine) this culture eventually filtered down to the former serfs.

    Whenever a people says ‘we have a natural instinct for democracy whereas our enemy is naturally driven to despotism’ that’s a reason to be a little wary.

    That’s the nature of the political culture and has been stable for centuries. I am not claiming one system is inferior or superior to another. Russia has achieved superpower status with its despotism. Singapore is very successful. China is doing well, after the detour of Maoism. I am just saying that this type of system which is part of Russian culture is a poor fit for Ukrainians, whose political culture looks more like that of their western neighbors.

    Ideally you’d also have referenda in the Crimea and Donbass on which state to belong to (or just the entirety of Eastern Ukraine)

    I agree completely.

  275. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Since Russia are about to ban VPNs, it seems that the final layer of the Putin Shroud is going into place.
     
    Still waiting for martial law to be imposed:

    https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1499827293220388865

    Still waiting for the "Great Kremlin Firewall":

    https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1500758709164777473

    Replies: @Triteleia Laxa

    I’m glad you enjoyed my scenario in the other comment, but your soace-faring piece was a bit half-hearted. The only thing that looks like it harmonising with India soon is your development level, in the direction of theirs.

    As for this comment of yours, the lack of those two things you identify just means that Putin doesn’t have the will to “win.”

    This is good, because “winning” would be losing awfully in the long-run, as per the scenario I laid out.

    If this stuff really doesn’t happen then I guess we’ll get a negotiated solution as soon as Wednesday, because you’re not even winning the easy part of the war (the invasion and field battles.) You still have the difficult part to go (conquering cities.) And the impossible part (pacifying Ukraine.) You seem to have no theatre reserve, no other troops to call in and you’re attriting fast. You are on multiple axes, stretched thin, and having your supply lines hit. Meanwhile, the population in the few places you have “secured” is already having minor riots against your goons. This bodes very badly for you. Every day you stay there, is a day you’re even less welcome.

    Other than an already nascent insurgency, I’d also worry about those vehicles up around Kyiv. It doesn’t seem like they are being sustained in the field. You might be facing a mass surrender, which could lead to a withdrawal under fire on other axes and disaster.

    Perhaps you’ll advoid this as you seem to have adopted yet another strategy. This is of sitting where you shove reached and blowing up civilians with artillery. The problem with this is that it doesn’t gain you anything. It just adds to your blood debt. Yes, it will slow the shockingly fast degradation of your forces, but it isn’t risk free and it achieves nothing. It also invites eventual true NATO intervention, and you must now know that the Russian military would be completely helpless in that scenario.

    In other words, the Russian forces have still yet to achieve anything that matters. They have only advanced into positions where they are much more vulnerable, suffered horrendous casualties to their most motivated troops and seen Ukrainian forces surge in manpower, equipment and morale.

    I could not imagine how it could be going worse.

    I still think the negotiated position I outlined at the beginning of the Russian invasion is the best result for everyone, but I less and less see why Ukrainians would agree. Have we seen an organised military that is more committed to its course in decades? I don’t think so. They seem extremely willing to fight until they win, and they will eventually win, because they live there and Russians do not. The only question is how much damage is done to Russia, her military, her economy and, most importantly, her society and spirit in the meantime.

    Some US politician or someone said, long before the war, that Russia would get what it wants in Ukraine because it cares so much more about Ukraine than the US did. That sounded very convincing at the time, but the truth is that the people who really care about Ukraine, much, much more than the Russians, are the Ukrainians.

    As soon as that became obvious, Putin should have found a way out. And this is why war has changed. I thought Russia, of all places, had realised this change. Perhaps your government has, but is just panicked in its incompetence?

    Anyway, sorry about the black pill, but it’ll be ok. Russia is now the antagonist in the Ukrainian Great Patriotic War, however with certain manouvres it can be Putinists in that role and Russians as having undergone a journey and been redeemed. It is possible.

    [MORE]

    How’s the invasion truly going? Looks like Ukraine is not even losing territory so much as using a little of their depth for defence, just as they should.

    Also, will most Russians abroad now pretend to be Ukrainian? Forever?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Triteleia Laxa

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/640459736919048202/950956108997091340/FNXMAr4VEAYYgCq.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939616745352732743/952809641014865991/photo_2022-03-14_01-38-07.jpg

    , @Brás Cubas
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Some US politician or someone said, long before the war, that Russia would get what it wants in Ukraine because it cares so much more about Ukraine than the US did.
     
    The US does not care about Ukraine per se. It cares about Russia. Ukraine is just a bait. Having NATO in Ukraine would mean to expand the empire in a small way, but weakening Putin by dragging him to a war which eventually may force him to resign, or make internal concessions, means expanding the empire in a big way. Why think small when you can think big?

    Replies: @Levtraro

  276. @Bill
    @Emil Nikola Richard


    1. I have not seen any transhumanist so whacko they want to dig up human remains and bring dead people back to life. It says something about them that they are even more whacko than the transhumanists.
     
    Is Alcor not transhumanist? Just transhumanist-adjacent or something?

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    The cryogenics companies aim to freeze Yudkowsky’s corpse and resurrect / vivify it at some theoretical technological advance. The cosmists (some) wanted to dig up Yudkowsky’s dead brother’s bones and resurrect / vivify that, presuming the dead guy would think this an obviously great idea.

    Two distinctly different forms of whacko.

    • Thanks: Bill
  277. Apparently, the Pornhub story is false, which, maybe, supports the idea that it is meant to be a weapon.

  278. @German_reader
    @Beckow


    You went far away from your home countries, landed in other cultures, proceeded to kill, enslave, take resources, lord over the local people. Forced a new religion on many of them, hired local compradors, stole everything you could. Oh, build a few schools, some railroads (for the resources). It looks pretty evil to me. If that is not evil, what would be?

     

    You could frame many of the actions of imperial Russia as "evil". What about its conquest of the Caucasus? There are even claims that it amounted to genocide in some cases:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
    It just smacks of really extreme double standards that you go on and on about the unchanging evil of the West, while completely ignoring anything comparable in Russia's history, just because Russia's influence benefited Slovaks in the 20th century.
    (also, to be blunt, there's something really disgusting about the small peoples of Eastern Europe denigrating the imperial achievements of Western Europeans, as if the fact that you were lorded over by more powerful neighbours for much of your history were something to be proud of and a sign of virtue).

    In WWII you wanted most of us dead, then you endlessly apologized for the ‘mistakes’.
     
    If anything, it was Germans who wanted "most of you" (I suppose that's united Slavdom) dead, and even that is somewhat of an over-simplification. It's very strange that you seek to extend Germany's real or alleged guilt to the entire West, imo can only be explained by some lingering influence of Eastern bloc propaganda. But this has been pointed out to you many times before, with reference to specific points (e.g. the number of Norwegian Waffen-SS members which you over-estimated by a factor of ten or so).

    Replies: @HenryBaker, @Beckow

    …What about its conquest of the Caucasus?

    What about it? Russia didn’t go far, they were neighbours. Some of it was evil, but there were two factors: a large orthodox Christian population that begged to be saved (yes, Georgia, Armenia) and the tribal raiding, kidnapping and hostage taking by the Circassians. They paid a very high price, that happens, they were no angels. It is different from what the Dutch did in Java, French in Africa, Germans in Namibia, British in India.

    it was Germans who wanted “most of you” (I suppose that’s united Slavdom) dead, and even that is somewhat of an over-simplification.

    All statements of that nature are an over-simplification. Yet it is true that Germans and their numerous allies had a plan. It failed, so now we call it an over-simplification. Dutch, French or Norwegians were not particularly bothered by the plan, “Nazis, go east” was a common attitude. Some even went along.

    You like to dismiss any arguments that you don’t like as ‘propaganda’. That shuts down thinking. Then you get upset about the current war, but you never answer the core underlying questions: why did NATO go east? what for? and why insist on Ukraine in NATO? what exactly other than a war were the options available to Russia?