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The previous Open Thread had passed 1,000 comments and was getting very sluggish to load. Since Anatoly is apparently very busy working on crypto-currency projects, I’ve gone ahead and opened this new one for his commenter-community, moving a few of the last comments over to it.

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  1. Germany’s new coalition government will be a slight improvement over the previous dispensation, but only just. Scholz is an embarrassed social democrat, just as Merkel was an embarrassed conservative. She viewed her base an impediment to be overcome and Scholz is already showing the same signs, by rushing to embrace the neoliberal FDP and thus knee-capping his own progressive base.

    Still, there are some notable developments. The irredeemable “output gap” nonsense models will be thrown out, as they were used to justify unending austerity.

    These models are likely too difficult to explain to laymen but their removal will allow far more expansionary fiscal politics. However, the inclusion of FDP is an intentional poison pill. In the end, expect Scholz to be a more pragmatic Merkel on economics, not a sea change.

    The liberalisation of drug laws are long overdue. I think we should also expect a much greater push for cycling infrastructure and a far faster phase-out of dirty fuels, both of which are gigantic positives, even if reactionaries seethe.

    Their immigration policies will likely continue in the same path as ours: less refugees and more work-related migration. More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start seeing far more Asian migration in the not too distant future. We already are (Indians replaced Syrians a few years ago and this trend is likely to accelerate to other Asian nationalities in the coming years; I suspect the same will be true for Germany’s non-European migration pattern, too).

    My biggest worry relates to foreign policy. The Greens may be progressive on domestic policies but on foreign policy they are basically NATO chatbots. Baerbock’s insane rants against NS2 should be disqualifying. I don’t like NS2 but it’s a done deal now and has to be managed. Europe needs a stable German-Russian relationship and she seems hellbent on sabotaging it at every turn. Frankly, if she wasn’t on the payroll of the US then I’d be amazed, because she is certainly acting like it.

    Personally, I would have preferred a GroKo (SPD+CDU). While I favour the domestic agenda of the current coalition, a GroKo government would only include the most moderate foreign policy voices. Nevertheless, I suspect that Scholz will rein in Baerbock’s craziness if it goes too far, so it is a minor blemish at worst.

    • Disagree: German_reader
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    We already are (Indians
     
    No comment.
    ______
    BTW, amazing success that Stonetoss has had selling Flurks: $2 million. That must be some sort of record for dissident (Right, not Conservative, Inc) media.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Some Guy
    @Thulean Friend


    More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns.
     
    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won't it?

    Replies: @German_reader

  2. @Thulean Friend
    Germany's new coalition government will be a slight improvement over the previous dispensation, but only just. Scholz is an embarrassed social democrat, just as Merkel was an embarrassed conservative. She viewed her base an impediment to be overcome and Scholz is already showing the same signs, by rushing to embrace the neoliberal FDP and thus knee-capping his own progressive base.

    Still, there are some notable developments. The irredeemable "output gap" nonsense models will be thrown out, as they were used to justify unending austerity.

    https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1463523167209672709

    These models are likely too difficult to explain to laymen but their removal will allow far more expansionary fiscal politics. However, the inclusion of FDP is an intentional poison pill. In the end, expect Scholz to be a more pragmatic Merkel on economics, not a sea change.

    The liberalisation of drug laws are long overdue. I think we should also expect a much greater push for cycling infrastructure and a far faster phase-out of dirty fuels, both of which are gigantic positives, even if reactionaries seethe.

    Their immigration policies will likely continue in the same path as ours: less refugees and more work-related migration. More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns. I wouldn't be surprised if they start seeing far more Asian migration in the not too distant future. We already are (Indians replaced Syrians a few years ago and this trend is likely to accelerate to other Asian nationalities in the coming years; I suspect the same will be true for Germany's non-European migration pattern, too).


    My biggest worry relates to foreign policy. The Greens may be progressive on domestic policies but on foreign policy they are basically NATO chatbots. Baerbock's insane rants against NS2 should be disqualifying. I don't like NS2 but it's a done deal now and has to be managed. Europe needs a stable German-Russian relationship and she seems hellbent on sabotaging it at every turn. Frankly, if she wasn't on the payroll of the US then I'd be amazed, because she is certainly acting like it.

    Personally, I would have preferred a GroKo (SPD+CDU). While I favour the domestic agenda of the current coalition, a GroKo government would only include the most moderate foreign policy voices. Nevertheless, I suspect that Scholz will rein in Baerbock's craziness if it goes too far, so it is a minor blemish at worst.

    Replies: @songbird, @Some Guy

    We already are (Indians

    No comment.
    ______
    BTW, amazing success that Stonetoss has had selling Flurks: \$2 million. That must be some sort of record for dissident (Right, not Conservative, Inc) media.

    • LOL: Mitleser
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    Feynman seemed to like bongo music (which I conflate with jazz, due to its Afro roots) and Tuvan throat-singing (which I suspect shows an affinity for improvisation, much like jazz) – and he was always breaking into safes at Los Alamos! And I believe he once borrowed the car of one the spies, to visit his wife in hospital. Afraid the rest of my speculations are somewhat more calumnious.

    Without access to the FBI files, we may never know how true they are…
     

    Continuation of comment 1015 from the last thread.

    So now that you've convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why this is important enough to mention? I missed this somewhere along the way? :-)

  3. Many thanks to Ron Unz for creating a new open thread, it is much appreciated!

  4. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    We already are (Indians
     
    No comment.
    ______
    BTW, amazing success that Stonetoss has had selling Flurks: $2 million. That must be some sort of record for dissident (Right, not Conservative, Inc) media.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Feynman seemed to like bongo music (which I conflate with jazz, due to its Afro roots) and Tuvan throat-singing (which I suspect shows an affinity for improvisation, much like jazz) – and he was always breaking into safes at Los Alamos! And I believe he once borrowed the car of one the spies, to visit his wife in hospital. Afraid the rest of my speculations are somewhat more calumnious.

    Without access to the FBI files, we may never know how true they are…

    Continuation of comment 1015 from the last thread.

    So now that you’ve convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why this is important enough to mention? I missed this somewhere along the way? 🙂

  5. Actually a black man delivered a kick exactly as depicted above as per the video shown in the trial. His identity remained a mystery and was referred to as the “Jump Kick Man”. The prosecution refused to have him testify, probably because of his long criminal rap sheet, and his identity officially remains a mystery. His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him, but being on the ground appears to have emboldened Anthony Huber to attack Rittenhouse with a skateboard and Gaige Grosskreutz to threaten him with a pistol. Rittenhouse, in self defense, killed Huber and seriously wounded Grosskreutz.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him,
     
    He was very lucky that he missed. Otherwise, he probably would have been railroaded, like Chauvin or the guy who videotaped Ahmaud Arbery grabbing the gun.

    So now that you’ve convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why
     
    I don't know the whys or the hows - that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn't you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Hibernian
    @Mr. Hack

    Jump Kick Man is named Maurice Freeland. Binger's keeping him under wraps is likely a disbarrable offense. He didn't just refrain for calling him as a witness for the state, he hid him from the defense and lied, saying that he was unknown. Of course he won't be disciplined. His career is likely at a dead end; he'll be prosecuting misdemeanors and low level felonies the rest of his career, because he lost a case that the powers that be expected to be won.

  6. Thanks Ron Unz for supporting the forum, that is really appreciated.

    LatW says:

    different from “Miami style” actually

    Well my knowledge of Miami is mainly from YouTube walking videos. It seems in the streets mainly tourists, with a lot of working class African African tourists from near to Southern States? Those African American dudes seem mainly to dress unpretentious, which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Just getting all clothes from Target and randomly wearing them.

    Still the “stereotypical Miami style” from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don’t care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color, from the most expensive Italian brands of the time, that you would be too scared to eat with even if covering yourself with paper sheets before.

    younger men are well groomed. I watched a bit of the Alye Parusa show from St Pete

    Yes for the young people it’s just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I’m visiting Europe.

    Mr. Hack says:

    closest thing that we’ll experience that is like a time machine, especially on these new flat screen 4K TV

    Smart TV is also the closest thing to a travel machine.

    If you are addicted to YouTube walking videos. These experiences are almost half-way to visiting the places at 4k. At least, perhaps I am a bad tourist, but most of my pleasure is from walking in the streets randomly, and YouTube walking videos are nearly substitute for this to me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I've not watched many of the walking videos that I can recall...please do recommend a couple that you've found to be particularly entertaining or enlightening. I do, however, watch railroading videos a lot. I think that they're a lot of fun to watch and give you an excellent view usually from the driver's viewpoint. I'd recommend a few within western Ukraine, especially the ones that take you from Lviv to Uzhhorod right directly through the Carpathian mountains - incredible panoramas!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Twinkie
    @Dmitry


    the most beautiful clothes mix
     
    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w1027/564d385bfc28c663b5c187fec437a88c02609d92.jpg

    https://gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Bren-Ten-1.jpg

    Do your own internet search for the women. ;)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Yevardian

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry


    “stereotypical Miami style” from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don’t care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color
     
    That's right. I didn't mean the actual local Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go there. Glamorous and a lot of pristine white clothing, white shoes, etc. The point is there is a fine line between glamorous and tacky / overdone.

    Yes for the young people it’s just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I’m visiting Europe.
     
    That's what I meant, I started noticing that about 5 years ago. In 2019 I spent time in a location that is rather popular with upperclass Russians (not the very rich, but somewhat affluent Moscovites) and I started seeing a big difference in how women look. Much more subdued make up and the hair is kept natural, I do like blond highlights but they now have this sleek natural colored hair that looks very good. Clothing is high end but not flashy at all. Almost a little on the traditional side.

    The reason I'm wasting comment space mentioning this is because it's visible there's been a cultural change in the last 5-10 years (for the lack of a better time stamp). There were always Russian youths that looked / dressed "European" (and ofc there were always artsy types) but now it seems to be mainstream. And they're not tatted up and overweight. This is a great balance. Same for Belarus (you could see that during the mass "walking" event).

    Replies: @Dmitry

  7. @Mr. Hack
    https://www.srnnews.com/media/2021/11/16376886123129833hCBNcYEwU-859x614.jpg?x19603&x19603

    Actually a black man delivered a kick exactly as depicted above as per the video shown in the trial. His identity remained a mystery and was referred to as the "Jump Kick Man". The prosecution refused to have him testify, probably because of his long criminal rap sheet, and his identity officially remains a mystery. His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him, but being on the ground appears to have emboldened Anthony Huber to attack Rittenhouse with a skateboard and Gaige Grosskreutz to threaten him with a pistol. Rittenhouse, in self defense, killed Huber and seriously wounded Grosskreutz.

    Replies: @songbird, @Hibernian

    His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him,

    He was very lucky that he missed. Otherwise, he probably would have been railroaded, like Chauvin or the guy who videotaped Ahmaud Arbery grabbing the gun.

    So now that you’ve convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why

    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?
     
    Well, I don't really think that it has any specific bearing on their profession or their ethical standards. If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too? And BTW, if you haven't already detected from my comments, you've got an awful long way to go to prove that these individuals are real jazz devotees. :-)

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?
     
    Who knows?

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71IjbG0qOFL._SS500_.jpg

    Give it a listen, you might find out. :-)

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry

  8. @Dmitry
    Thanks Ron Unz for supporting the forum, that is really appreciated.

    LatW says:


    different from “Miami style” actually
     
    Well my knowledge of Miami is mainly from YouTube walking videos. It seems in the streets mainly tourists, with a lot of working class African African tourists from near to Southern States? Those African American dudes seem mainly to dress unpretentious, which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Just getting all clothes from Target and randomly wearing them.

    -

    Still the "stereotypical Miami style" from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don't care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color, from the most expensive Italian brands of the time, that you would be too scared to eat with even if covering yourself with paper sheets before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CdKeep2huQ


    younger men are well groomed. I watched a bit of the Alye Parusa show from St Pete
     
    Yes for the young people it's just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I'm visiting Europe.

    Mr. Hack says:


    closest thing that we’ll experience that is like a time machine, especially on these new flat screen 4K TV
     
    Smart TV is also the closest thing to a travel machine.

    If you are addicted to YouTube walking videos. These experiences are almost half-way to visiting the places at 4k. At least, perhaps I am a bad tourist, but most of my pleasure is from walking in the streets randomly, and YouTube walking videos are nearly substitute for this to me.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Twinkie, @LatW

    I’ve not watched many of the walking videos that I can recall…please do recommend a couple that you’ve found to be particularly entertaining or enlightening. I do, however, watch railroading videos a lot. I think that they’re a lot of fun to watch and give you an excellent view usually from the driver’s viewpoint. I’d recommend a few within western Ukraine, especially the ones that take you from Lviv to Uzhhorod right directly through the Carpathian mountains – incredible panoramas!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack


    watch railroading video

     

    For timetraveling, there are interesting tram videos to play on your television. But the restorer often adds annoying music, you need to mute.

    Crazy how modernized and ordered Leipzig looks in 1931.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CETIdLkJM4k

    San Francisco before the earthquake.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO_1AdYRGW8

    New York, etc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1OgQL9_C.


    watched many of the walking videos that I can recall…please do recommend a couple that you’ve found to be particularly entertaining
     
    I think the best of the walking video to play on your television, is just a boring one, which is like real life. You can sit on your sofa with a coffee and relax. After a while your brain doesn't distinguish too much from real life.

    The question is whether we still enjoy playing these on the television after the pandemic is finished, and it's easier to travel again. Or whether we will just be enjoying Mediterranean on our television forever, especially when we are getting in the future to 8K MicroLED television.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwxEyy_CwUo

  9. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him,
     
    He was very lucky that he missed. Otherwise, he probably would have been railroaded, like Chauvin or the guy who videotaped Ahmaud Arbery grabbing the gun.

    So now that you’ve convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why
     
    I don't know the whys or the hows - that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn't you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?

    Well, I don’t really think that it has any specific bearing on their profession or their ethical standards. If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too? And BTW, if you haven’t already detected from my comments, you’ve got an awful long way to go to prove that these individuals are real jazz devotees. 🙂

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?

    Who knows?

    [MORE]

    Give it a listen, you might find out. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too?
     
    Speaking personally, as someone who descends from the cool, damp fringes of Europe, where the grape did not prosper, I always feel a sense of unease around anyone drinking wine recreationally.

    Nassim Taleb seems to feel similar when he sees someone eating butter or drinking milk.

    But, at least, he does not experience the special unease of seeing Meds drinking liters of milk at dinner, when he grew up seeing it in the sacristy of his church.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    Jazz music obviously attracts a lot of more very nerdy and rich people, which can see from the prices of the out of print recordings (people spending thousands of dollars for out of print CD boxsets). I wonder if it is related to having music lessons when young.

    But in Jazz music it has a more multi-national audience.

    While classical music fans seem to be filtering for nerdy, rich and Jewish people. Which you saw from how the classical music blogs, are about reporting about 30% reporting Jewish news. The most popular classical music blog, Slipped Disc I'm always laughing to read it was like 50% of Holocaust related trivial news, in between complaining about concert hall acoustics of London.
    https://slippedisc.com/?s=jewish

    Unfortunately, classical music seems to be increasingly older people listening to. So it's like classical music fans are becoming a centre of old Jewish nerds.

    I wonder if Jazz can still maintain some younger audience. Jazz music fans were traditionally younger people. But I feel like the jazz writers nowadays are also old people talking about their investments in the stock market.

    At least, visual modern art (unlike music) still has young fans from what I saw. When you go to art gallery with modern art, it still seems there are a lot of young hipsters still love 20th century painting. I guess in cities like New York, London, Paris, there are mostly still 25 year old people going to the art gallery, and flooding any modern art exhibition.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  10. From the last thread:

    https://mishtalk.com/economics/bidens-bank-regulatory-nominee-espouses-helicopter-money-and-praises-the-old-ussr
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3715735

    On the liability side of the ledger, the Article envisions the complete migration of demand deposit accounts to the Fed’s balance sheet and explores the full range of new, more direct and flexible, monetary policy tools enabled by this shift. On the asset side, it advocates a comprehensive qualitative restructuring of the Fed’s investment portfolio, which would maximize its capacity to channel credit to productive uses in the nation’s economy. This compositional overhaul of the Fed’s balance sheet would fundamentally alter the operations and systemic footprints of private banks, funds, derivatives dealers, and other financial institutions and markets. Analyzing these structural implications, the Article shows how the proposed reforms would make the financial system less complex, more stable, and more efficient in serving the long-term needs of the American people.

    This is why people buy cryptos, buy precious metals & start bartering in a local economy. Running away from a centralized new financial system, and its implications for dissent. Running away from asset confiscations!

    This will also imply every major economy going CBDC, since the dollar is #1 reserve currency. Exactly some of you have warned us about.

  11. @Mr. Hack
    https://www.srnnews.com/media/2021/11/16376886123129833hCBNcYEwU-859x614.jpg?x19603&x19603

    Actually a black man delivered a kick exactly as depicted above as per the video shown in the trial. His identity remained a mystery and was referred to as the "Jump Kick Man". The prosecution refused to have him testify, probably because of his long criminal rap sheet, and his identity officially remains a mystery. His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him, but being on the ground appears to have emboldened Anthony Huber to attack Rittenhouse with a skateboard and Gaige Grosskreutz to threaten him with a pistol. Rittenhouse, in self defense, killed Huber and seriously wounded Grosskreutz.

    Replies: @songbird, @Hibernian

    Jump Kick Man is named Maurice Freeland. Binger’s keeping him under wraps is likely a disbarrable offense. He didn’t just refrain for calling him as a witness for the state, he hid him from the defense and lied, saying that he was unknown. Of course he won’t be disciplined. His career is likely at a dead end; he’ll be prosecuting misdemeanors and low level felonies the rest of his career, because he lost a case that the powers that be expected to be won.

    • Agree: Emil Nikola Richard
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  12. @Thulean Friend
    Germany's new coalition government will be a slight improvement over the previous dispensation, but only just. Scholz is an embarrassed social democrat, just as Merkel was an embarrassed conservative. She viewed her base an impediment to be overcome and Scholz is already showing the same signs, by rushing to embrace the neoliberal FDP and thus knee-capping his own progressive base.

    Still, there are some notable developments. The irredeemable "output gap" nonsense models will be thrown out, as they were used to justify unending austerity.

    https://twitter.com/heimbergecon/status/1463523167209672709

    These models are likely too difficult to explain to laymen but their removal will allow far more expansionary fiscal politics. However, the inclusion of FDP is an intentional poison pill. In the end, expect Scholz to be a more pragmatic Merkel on economics, not a sea change.

    The liberalisation of drug laws are long overdue. I think we should also expect a much greater push for cycling infrastructure and a far faster phase-out of dirty fuels, both of which are gigantic positives, even if reactionaries seethe.

    Their immigration policies will likely continue in the same path as ours: less refugees and more work-related migration. More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns. I wouldn't be surprised if they start seeing far more Asian migration in the not too distant future. We already are (Indians replaced Syrians a few years ago and this trend is likely to accelerate to other Asian nationalities in the coming years; I suspect the same will be true for Germany's non-European migration pattern, too).


    My biggest worry relates to foreign policy. The Greens may be progressive on domestic policies but on foreign policy they are basically NATO chatbots. Baerbock's insane rants against NS2 should be disqualifying. I don't like NS2 but it's a done deal now and has to be managed. Europe needs a stable German-Russian relationship and she seems hellbent on sabotaging it at every turn. Frankly, if she wasn't on the payroll of the US then I'd be amazed, because she is certainly acting like it.

    Personally, I would have preferred a GroKo (SPD+CDU). While I favour the domestic agenda of the current coalition, a GroKo government would only include the most moderate foreign policy voices. Nevertheless, I suspect that Scholz will rein in Baerbock's craziness if it goes too far, so it is a minor blemish at worst.

    Replies: @songbird, @Some Guy

    More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns.

    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won’t it?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Some Guy


    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won’t it?
     
    Not harder, it will make it impossible (not that anybody gets deported anyway).
    Rest of Thulean's comment is also based on just his personal imagination, the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this).

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  13. This is a fun read by a Syrian whose village has been invaded by Uyghurs, reading it makes me wonder if this is how conquests were in the past, not necessarily rape and pillage but new alpha males coming to the village http://www.aymennjawad.org/2021/08/guest-post-the-uyghur-jihadist-scoundrels

  14. German_reader says:
    @Some Guy
    @Thulean Friend


    More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns.
     
    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won't it?

    Replies: @German_reader

    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won’t it?

    Not harder, it will make it impossible (not that anybody gets deported anyway).
    Rest of Thulean’s comment is also based on just his personal imagination, the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this).

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this)
     
    None of that is incongruent with what I wrote. It's perfectly reasonable for a government to want to use EU-wide measures (e.g. Frontex) instead of seeing the same work being done by people smugglers. Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink. At that point the distinction whether private NGOs, the smugglers or Frontex ropes them in is irrelevant.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama. The best we got was some half-hearted proposal to "process them in Ukraine" without any commitment to actually take in people. Once the deportations started, I didn't see much outcry from Scholz.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want, so it's silly to try to pretend that they should be judged by those standards. I judge them by the standards of other mainstream parties and there is no reason to think that the Scholz government is going to wildly diverge from recent political trends, as already exemplified during the recent border crisis. The 2015 spirit is gone, for better or for worse. Germany will continue to take in large amounts of immigrants but it will not be refugee-dominated. That's what I said and I stand by that.

    Replies: @German_reader

  15. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?
     
    Well, I don't really think that it has any specific bearing on their profession or their ethical standards. If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too? And BTW, if you haven't already detected from my comments, you've got an awful long way to go to prove that these individuals are real jazz devotees. :-)

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?
     
    Who knows?

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71IjbG0qOFL._SS500_.jpg

    Give it a listen, you might find out. :-)

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry

    If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too?

    Speaking personally, as someone who descends from the cool, damp fringes of Europe, where the grape did not prosper, I always feel a sense of unease around anyone drinking wine recreationally.

    Nassim Taleb seems to feel similar when he sees someone eating butter or drinking milk.

    But, at least, he does not experience the special unease of seeing Meds drinking liters of milk at dinner, when he grew up seeing it in the sacristy of his church.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @songbird

    Once again, you're trying to use nonsynchronous facts to support your untenable position that somehow "There were hundreds of people on the inside ("all Jazz aficionados") who thought a fission bomb duopoly was a much better idea." It just doesn't all hang together, IMHO.

  16. Evidently Anatoly didn’t leave the UR in a huff and left without mutual recriminations since Ron is still supporting Karlin’s blog! It was and is a nice exit!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dan Hayes

    Ron is probably still leaving the door open for Anatoly to make a return. His new website certainly isn't attracting the interest that I'm sure he had hoped for. Linh Dinh also recently announced his exit from his blog at UNZ, only soon to return. If only Gustavo Arellano would return it would be a successful trifecta!

    Replies: @German_reader

  17. Ukraine’s Zelensky alleges Russia plotting coup against him for next week
    By David L. Stern | November 26, 2021 | The Washington Post

    KYIV, Ukraine —Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that a group of Russian & Ukrainians is planning to stage a coup d’etat in Ukraine next month and that the plotters are trying to enlist the help of the country’s richest man, Rinat Akhmetov.

    Zelensky, speaking at a “press marathon” for local and international media, said that audio recordings, obtained by Ukraine’s security services, caught plotters discussing their plans and mentioning Akhmetov’s name. Akhmetov was not involved in the actual coup plot, however, Zelensky said.

    “I believe [Akhmetov] is being dragged into the war against Ukraine,” Zelensky said. “This will be a big mistake, because it is impossible to fight against the people, against the president elected by the people of Ukraine.”

    Zelensky said the alleged coup was being planned for Dec. 1 or 2. He did not provide further details, however.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied any Russian role in the alleged plot. “Russia never engages in such things. There have never been such plans,” he said.

    Ukrainian media in recent weeks have commented on the growing tensions between Zelensky and Akhmetov. Zelensky has launched a “de-oligarchization”campaign to reduce the political influence of Ukraine’s richest people, who control key sections of the economy.”

  18. When will Anatoly visit the radon spa at Bad Kreuznach?

    https://acuradon.de/

  19. @songbird
    @Mr. Hack


    If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too?
     
    Speaking personally, as someone who descends from the cool, damp fringes of Europe, where the grape did not prosper, I always feel a sense of unease around anyone drinking wine recreationally.

    Nassim Taleb seems to feel similar when he sees someone eating butter or drinking milk.

    But, at least, he does not experience the special unease of seeing Meds drinking liters of milk at dinner, when he grew up seeing it in the sacristy of his church.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Once again, you’re trying to use nonsynchronous facts to support your untenable position that somehow “There were hundreds of people on the inside (“all Jazz aficionados“) who thought a fission bomb duopoly was a much better idea.” It just doesn’t all hang together, IMHO.

    • Disagree: songbird
  20. @Dan Hayes
    Evidently Anatoly didn't leave the UR in a huff and left without mutual recriminations since Ron is still supporting Karlin's blog! It was and is a nice exit!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Ron is probably still leaving the door open for Anatoly to make a return. His new website certainly isn’t attracting the interest that I’m sure he had hoped for. Linh Dinh also recently announced his exit from his blog at UNZ, only soon to return. If only Gustavo Arellano would return it would be a successful trifecta!

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Mr. Hack


    His new website certainly isn’t attracting the interest that I’m sure he had hoped for.
     
    Well, AK hasn't published much on his Substack yet (apart from that amusing AI horror story, which you should all read), so I don't think one can say anything about how much interest his blog there would attract.
    The commenting system at Substack is of course much inferior to UR though, so that's certainly a negative.
  21. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @Dan Hayes

    Ron is probably still leaving the door open for Anatoly to make a return. His new website certainly isn't attracting the interest that I'm sure he had hoped for. Linh Dinh also recently announced his exit from his blog at UNZ, only soon to return. If only Gustavo Arellano would return it would be a successful trifecta!

    Replies: @German_reader

    His new website certainly isn’t attracting the interest that I’m sure he had hoped for.

    Well, AK hasn’t published much on his Substack yet (apart from that amusing AI horror story, which you should all read), so I don’t think one can say anything about how much interest his blog there would attract.
    The commenting system at Substack is of course much inferior to UR though, so that’s certainly a negative.

  22. @German_reader
    @Some Guy


    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won’t it?
     
    Not harder, it will make it impossible (not that anybody gets deported anyway).
    Rest of Thulean's comment is also based on just his personal imagination, the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this).

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this)

    None of that is incongruent with what I wrote. It’s perfectly reasonable for a government to want to use EU-wide measures (e.g. Frontex) instead of seeing the same work being done by people smugglers. Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink. At that point the distinction whether private NGOs, the smugglers or Frontex ropes them in is irrelevant.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama. The best we got was some half-hearted proposal to “process them in Ukraine” without any commitment to actually take in people. Once the deportations started, I didn’t see much outcry from Scholz.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want, so it’s silly to try to pretend that they should be judged by those standards. I judge them by the standards of other mainstream parties and there is no reason to think that the Scholz government is going to wildly diverge from recent political trends, as already exemplified during the recent border crisis. The 2015 spirit is gone, for better or for worse. Germany will continue to take in large amounts of immigrants but it will not be refugee-dominated. That’s what I said and I stand by that.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink.
     
    Lol, you're telling me that there won't be more "refugee-dominated" immigration, and then you come up with this, which is just the usual false dilemma ("We can't betray our values and let people die, so just let everyone come who tries to cross the Mediterranean"), intended to shut down debate and make the result of political choices look like inevitable fate. With that mentality there is no upper limit to immigration and you give up any chance of controlling the process, since the preferences of the migrants themselves and their interests become the determining factor.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama.
     
    That's a somewhat special case, because it's linked to the tensions with Belarus and Russia, and the blackmail by Lukashenko is so blatant. But in any case, the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU's Wolfgang Schäuble), so it's pretty absurd to claim "the spirit of 2015" is gone. It's still very much there.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want
     
    Says a guy who was a hardcore WN when he first turned up here (both as TF and in your previous "Polish" incarnation) and went on and on how we're all living in "Jewish oligarchies", lol. But you were just as annoying back then as in your present Swedecuck incarnation, so at least some things haven't changed.

    Replies: @A123, @Svidomyatheart

  23. @Dmitry
    Thanks Ron Unz for supporting the forum, that is really appreciated.

    LatW says:


    different from “Miami style” actually
     
    Well my knowledge of Miami is mainly from YouTube walking videos. It seems in the streets mainly tourists, with a lot of working class African African tourists from near to Southern States? Those African American dudes seem mainly to dress unpretentious, which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Just getting all clothes from Target and randomly wearing them.

    -

    Still the "stereotypical Miami style" from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don't care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color, from the most expensive Italian brands of the time, that you would be too scared to eat with even if covering yourself with paper sheets before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CdKeep2huQ


    younger men are well groomed. I watched a bit of the Alye Parusa show from St Pete
     
    Yes for the young people it's just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I'm visiting Europe.

    Mr. Hack says:


    closest thing that we’ll experience that is like a time machine, especially on these new flat screen 4K TV
     
    Smart TV is also the closest thing to a travel machine.

    If you are addicted to YouTube walking videos. These experiences are almost half-way to visiting the places at 4k. At least, perhaps I am a bad tourist, but most of my pleasure is from walking in the streets randomly, and YouTube walking videos are nearly substitute for this to me.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Twinkie, @LatW

    the most beautiful clothes mix

    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    Do your own internet search for the women. 😉

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    @Twinkie

    Sorry, Bren 10, not Brent. Darn auto-correct doesn’t know one of the greatest tv/movie guns!

    , @Yevardian
    @Twinkie


    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!
     
    Well, I consider myself above this sort of gossip/lifestyle poasting, but in reading about the British royal family, I read a little into the background of the recently passed "Prince of Wales". It turns out his mother, Alice of Battenberg was once, to me at least, one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen.

    https://holocaustlearning.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/alice-princess-of-greece-the-wife-of-prince-andrew-of-news-photo-1571431331.jpg

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cZekZQO-Bds/V3a2Ck7ZXkI/AAAAAAAABQo/0A4t1l4PuIM5CCp-aTLpO5z2uxLXP7SngCK4B/s640/1903-her-royal-highness_med.jpeg

  24. @Twinkie
    @Dmitry


    the most beautiful clothes mix
     
    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w1027/564d385bfc28c663b5c187fec437a88c02609d92.jpg

    https://gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Bren-Ten-1.jpg

    Do your own internet search for the women. ;)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Yevardian

    Sorry, Bren 10, not Brent. Darn auto-correct doesn’t know one of the greatest tv/movie guns!

  25. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this)
     
    None of that is incongruent with what I wrote. It's perfectly reasonable for a government to want to use EU-wide measures (e.g. Frontex) instead of seeing the same work being done by people smugglers. Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink. At that point the distinction whether private NGOs, the smugglers or Frontex ropes them in is irrelevant.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama. The best we got was some half-hearted proposal to "process them in Ukraine" without any commitment to actually take in people. Once the deportations started, I didn't see much outcry from Scholz.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want, so it's silly to try to pretend that they should be judged by those standards. I judge them by the standards of other mainstream parties and there is no reason to think that the Scholz government is going to wildly diverge from recent political trends, as already exemplified during the recent border crisis. The 2015 spirit is gone, for better or for worse. Germany will continue to take in large amounts of immigrants but it will not be refugee-dominated. That's what I said and I stand by that.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink.

    Lol, you’re telling me that there won’t be more “refugee-dominated” immigration, and then you come up with this, which is just the usual false dilemma (“We can’t betray our values and let people die, so just let everyone come who tries to cross the Mediterranean”), intended to shut down debate and make the result of political choices look like inevitable fate. With that mentality there is no upper limit to immigration and you give up any chance of controlling the process, since the preferences of the migrants themselves and their interests become the determining factor.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama.

    That’s a somewhat special case, because it’s linked to the tensions with Belarus and Russia, and the blackmail by Lukashenko is so blatant. But in any case, the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want

    Says a guy who was a hardcore WN when he first turned up here (both as TF and in your previous “Polish” incarnation) and went on and on how we’re all living in “Jewish oligarchies”, lol. But you were just as annoying back then as in your present Swedecuck incarnation, so at least some things haven’t changed.

    • Agree: Some Guy
    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader


    the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.
     
    I concur. The top 4 parties in Germany support massive immigration inflows.

    The problem for the German people is that those around them are learning the Truth. Open [Muslim] Borders are a mistake. They can never assimilate, engage in religious discrimination, and bring crime with them. (1)


    Muslim Attacks on Christian Churches

    France: On October 11, an illegal Muslim migrant from North Africa barged into the Notre-Dame de l'Assomption Basilica in Nice, a city that has a significant Muslim population. He began to "scream in Arabic" and spit on the church's floor. He left, only to return 10 minutes later and resume his yelling and spitting; he also began to threaten the sacristan, who contacted police. Although the Muslim migrant tried to escape, police managed to apprehend him. Three months earlier, in July, another Muslim was arrested after entering the same basilica and shouting at the congregants, "I'm going to come back and I'll kill you all." And a year earlier, on October 29, 2020, a Muslim terrorist slaughtered three Christians in the same basilica.

    Germany: A migrant from Afghanistan vandalized church property in the city of Nordhausen. The man, who came to Germany as an "asylum seeker" in 2015, was found angrily removing many of the church's objects—including the crucifix that hung on its main wall, altar items, and hymn books—out of the church building. When the pastor confronted him about his actions, the man replied that he "can't accept the Christian faith." According to the October 30 report:


    "The 'refugee' describes the Christian faith as 'wrong' and takes the view that it is fundamentally a mistake that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is why he felt compelled to redecorate such a house of worship... He made his point of view clear that he cannot accept the Christian faith."
     
    Police were eventually called and the man expelled from the premises. Some of the church's items were damaged by him, including the Christ figure which broke off the cross; and "a showcase inside the church was also broken into and cleared out."
     
    Ultimately, the only solution for Europe will be returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    There is one huge upside to all of this. Hypocrisy will prevent Europe from objecting when others follow their precedent -- Returns for Me, but not for Thee! is a very hollow concept. The solution for Palestine is also returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Pericles, @RadicalCenter

    , @Svidomyatheart
    @German_reader

    Arent Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists? If so then expect tons of migrants and all kinds of concessions and destruction of heavy industry in favor of climate change.( i dont know whenever its payback for WW2 where they want to completely destroy and humiliate your nation or if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems).

    I was right when I said Luka bit more than he can chew. I think the only way you guys can realistically deter migrants is like utu said is to get Putin involved into it and he will ruin it. Now Luka stepping down and deescalating the whole ordeal

    https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1464178413346955265

    Once again like I said an excellent opportunity for Europe to enact more strict border control. Lukashenko just now beginning to realize that there are things Erdogan CAN do and Luka cant.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

  26. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I've not watched many of the walking videos that I can recall...please do recommend a couple that you've found to be particularly entertaining or enlightening. I do, however, watch railroading videos a lot. I think that they're a lot of fun to watch and give you an excellent view usually from the driver's viewpoint. I'd recommend a few within western Ukraine, especially the ones that take you from Lviv to Uzhhorod right directly through the Carpathian mountains - incredible panoramas!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    watch railroading video

    For timetraveling, there are interesting tram videos to play on your television. But the restorer often adds annoying music, you need to mute.

    Crazy how modernized and ordered Leipzig looks in 1931.

    San Francisco before the earthquake.

    New York, etc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1OgQL9_C.

    watched many of the walking videos that I can recall…please do recommend a couple that you’ve found to be particularly entertaining

    I think the best of the walking video to play on your television, is just a boring one, which is like real life. You can sit on your sofa with a coffee and relax. After a while your brain doesn’t distinguish too much from real life.

    The question is whether we still enjoy playing these on the television after the pandemic is finished, and it’s easier to travel again. Or whether we will just be enjoying Mediterranean on our television forever, especially when we are getting in the future to 8K MicroLED television.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  27. @Mr. Hack
    @songbird


    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?
     
    Well, I don't really think that it has any specific bearing on their profession or their ethical standards. If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too? And BTW, if you haven't already detected from my comments, you've got an awful long way to go to prove that these individuals are real jazz devotees. :-)

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?
     
    Who knows?

    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71IjbG0qOFL._SS500_.jpg

    Give it a listen, you might find out. :-)

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry

    Jazz music obviously attracts a lot of more very nerdy and rich people, which can see from the prices of the out of print recordings (people spending thousands of dollars for out of print CD boxsets). I wonder if it is related to having music lessons when young.

    But in Jazz music it has a more multi-national audience.

    While classical music fans seem to be filtering for nerdy, rich and Jewish people. Which you saw from how the classical music blogs, are about reporting about 30% reporting Jewish news. The most popular classical music blog, Slipped Disc I’m always laughing to read it was like 50% of Holocaust related trivial news, in between complaining about concert hall acoustics of London.
    https://slippedisc.com/?s=jewish

    Unfortunately, classical music seems to be increasingly older people listening to. So it’s like classical music fans are becoming a centre of old Jewish nerds.

    I wonder if Jazz can still maintain some younger audience. Jazz music fans were traditionally younger people. But I feel like the jazz writers nowadays are also old people talking about their investments in the stock market.

    At least, visual modern art (unlike music) still has young fans from what I saw. When you go to art gallery with modern art, it still seems there are a lot of young hipsters still love 20th century painting. I guess in cities like New York, London, Paris, there are mostly still 25 year old people going to the art gallery, and flooding any modern art exhibition.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Dmitry

    It's Asians, both in Asia and together with some whites in the USA, who will keep classical music alive.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-future-of-classical-music-is-chinese/2019/03/22/2649e9dc-4cb5-11e9-93d0-64dbcf38ba41_story.html

  28. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink.
     
    Lol, you're telling me that there won't be more "refugee-dominated" immigration, and then you come up with this, which is just the usual false dilemma ("We can't betray our values and let people die, so just let everyone come who tries to cross the Mediterranean"), intended to shut down debate and make the result of political choices look like inevitable fate. With that mentality there is no upper limit to immigration and you give up any chance of controlling the process, since the preferences of the migrants themselves and their interests become the determining factor.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama.
     
    That's a somewhat special case, because it's linked to the tensions with Belarus and Russia, and the blackmail by Lukashenko is so blatant. But in any case, the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU's Wolfgang Schäuble), so it's pretty absurd to claim "the spirit of 2015" is gone. It's still very much there.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want
     
    Says a guy who was a hardcore WN when he first turned up here (both as TF and in your previous "Polish" incarnation) and went on and on how we're all living in "Jewish oligarchies", lol. But you were just as annoying back then as in your present Swedecuck incarnation, so at least some things haven't changed.

    Replies: @A123, @Svidomyatheart

    the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.

    I concur. The top 4 parties in Germany support massive immigration inflows.

    The problem for the German people is that those around them are learning the Truth. Open [Muslim] Borders are a mistake. They can never assimilate, engage in religious discrimination, and bring crime with them. (1)

    Muslim Attacks on Christian Churches

    France: On October 11, an illegal Muslim migrant from North Africa barged into the Notre-Dame de l’Assomption Basilica in Nice, a city that has a significant Muslim population. He began to “scream in Arabic” and spit on the church’s floor. He left, only to return 10 minutes later and resume his yelling and spitting; he also began to threaten the sacristan, who contacted police. Although the Muslim migrant tried to escape, police managed to apprehend him. Three months earlier, in July, another Muslim was arrested after entering the same basilica and shouting at the congregants, “I’m going to come back and I’ll kill you all.” And a year earlier, on October 29, 2020, a Muslim terrorist slaughtered three Christians in the same basilica.

    Germany: A migrant from Afghanistan vandalized church property in the city of Nordhausen. The man, who came to Germany as an “asylum seeker” in 2015, was found angrily removing many of the church’s objects—including the crucifix that hung on its main wall, altar items, and hymn books—out of the church building. When the pastor confronted him about his actions, the man replied that he “can’t accept the Christian faith.” According to the October 30 report:

    “The ‘refugee’ describes the Christian faith as ‘wrong’ and takes the view that it is fundamentally a mistake that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is why he felt compelled to redecorate such a house of worship… He made his point of view clear that he cannot accept the Christian faith.”

    Police were eventually called and the man expelled from the premises. Some of the church’s items were damaged by him, including the Christ figure which broke off the cross; and “a showcase inside the church was also broken into and cleared out.”

    Ultimately, the only solution for Europe will be returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    There is one huge upside to all of this. Hypocrisy will prevent Europe from objecting when others follow their precedent — Returns for Me, but not for Thee! is a very hollow concept. The solution for Palestine is also returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @A123

    Well, perhaps the underlying problem is waiting for the police to remove stinky kebab rather than grilling it yourself? Along with the usual tepid official response afterwards, of course.

    Replies: @Max Demian

    , @RadicalCenter
    @A123

    You've almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous "Jews" to their European or other homelands (the Ashkenazi, who constitute the majority in Israel, typically being 40-50% genetically white European, most often Italian).

    Replies: @A123

  29. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink.
     
    Lol, you're telling me that there won't be more "refugee-dominated" immigration, and then you come up with this, which is just the usual false dilemma ("We can't betray our values and let people die, so just let everyone come who tries to cross the Mediterranean"), intended to shut down debate and make the result of political choices look like inevitable fate. With that mentality there is no upper limit to immigration and you give up any chance of controlling the process, since the preferences of the migrants themselves and their interests become the determining factor.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama.
     
    That's a somewhat special case, because it's linked to the tensions with Belarus and Russia, and the blackmail by Lukashenko is so blatant. But in any case, the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU's Wolfgang Schäuble), so it's pretty absurd to claim "the spirit of 2015" is gone. It's still very much there.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want
     
    Says a guy who was a hardcore WN when he first turned up here (both as TF and in your previous "Polish" incarnation) and went on and on how we're all living in "Jewish oligarchies", lol. But you were just as annoying back then as in your present Swedecuck incarnation, so at least some things haven't changed.

    Replies: @A123, @Svidomyatheart

    Arent Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists? If so then expect tons of migrants and all kinds of concessions and destruction of heavy industry in favor of climate change.( i dont know whenever its payback for WW2 where they want to completely destroy and humiliate your nation or if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems).

    I was right when I said Luka bit more than he can chew. I think the only way you guys can realistically deter migrants is like utu said is to get Putin involved into it and he will ruin it. Now Luka stepping down and deescalating the whole ordeal

    Once again like I said an excellent opportunity for Europe to enact more strict border control. Lukashenko just now beginning to realize that there are things Erdogan CAN do and Luka cant.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Svidomyatheart


    Aren't Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists?
     
    German Greens serve the very European WEF. They need nothing from across the Atlantic.

    They are pure, homegrown SJW Globalists extremists. The living icon of the Green Party is Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg. Atlanticist content = 0. She is a Swedish environmental activist. Falsely blaming trans Atlantic sources is akin to railing against the dying of the light. Possibly cathartic, but extremely unproductive.

    When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    , @German_reader
    @Svidomyatheart


    if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems
     
    I think they really believe it, imo it's crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment. The hope seems to be that the technology for the hard problems like energy storage will just be there by 2030, when they want to exit coal power. I doubt it will go that smoothly, but hey, maybe I'm totally mistaken, I'm just an ignorant rightoid after all. We'll see.

    Replies: @sudden death, @The Big Red Scary

  30. The World Health Organization capitulates to the Elite CCP (1)

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has explained why it skipped the Greek letters “nu” and “xi” in naming the new COVID-19 variant Omicron.

    “Two letters were skipped—Nu and Xi—because Nu is too easily confounded with ‘new’ and Xi was not used because it is a common surname and [the] WHO best practices for naming new diseases … suggest avoiding ‘causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional, or ethnic groups,’” the United Nations agency said in a statement to The Epoch Times on Saturday

    Would the WHO show such deference to any American, Trump or Biden?

    The reason why “international” organizations, such as WHO, lack credibility is their inherent pro-CCP bias. The UN, WTO, and NBA (∆) are equally corrupt and unreliable.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-explains-why-it-skipped-xi-when-naming-new-covid-19-variant-omicron

    (∆) Theoretically the NBA is a sports league, however they have sold out to the Elite CCP and are completely untrustworthy.

     

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @A123

    James Harden kow-tow-ing to all of China is hilarious:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctX8cuTNhb0

    This is from when he was a Houston Rocket. When he was a Rocket his local performance art was going into the strip clubs (Houston has very glitzy strip clubs) with two burly bodyguards and shoving people out of his way to show all the strippers what a big shot he was.

  31. @Svidomyatheart
    @German_reader

    Arent Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists? If so then expect tons of migrants and all kinds of concessions and destruction of heavy industry in favor of climate change.( i dont know whenever its payback for WW2 where they want to completely destroy and humiliate your nation or if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems).

    I was right when I said Luka bit more than he can chew. I think the only way you guys can realistically deter migrants is like utu said is to get Putin involved into it and he will ruin it. Now Luka stepping down and deescalating the whole ordeal

    https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1464178413346955265

    Once again like I said an excellent opportunity for Europe to enact more strict border control. Lukashenko just now beginning to realize that there are things Erdogan CAN do and Luka cant.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    Aren’t Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists?

    German Greens serve the very European WEF. They need nothing from across the Atlantic.

    They are pure, homegrown SJW Globalists extremists. The living icon of the Green Party is Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg. Atlanticist content = 0. She is a Swedish environmental activist. Falsely blaming trans Atlantic sources is akin to railing against the dying of the light. Possibly cathartic, but extremely unproductive.

    When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  32. When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.

    What constitutes SJWism? I understand it as politics and activism based on LGBTQ, 4th wave feminism, CRT and Post-Colonialism and the post-2000s anti-capitalism/occupy Wall Street movement. At the moment the enthusiasm for this stuff is mainly emanating from the US, even if earlier versions of the ideas used to be current in Europe (sometimes promoted/fostered by US power in past decades; developments in West German culture post-1945 seem to be a clear case of this).

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena. The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @A123
    @Coconuts


    What constitutes SJWism?
     
    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values is the core of SJW Globalism.

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena.
     
    Clearly anti-factual. MegaCorporations and SJW's are a single, cohesive, inseparable whole. Consider this Islamic display.

     
    https://www.gaycitynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ChasePrideIS.jpg
     

    IslamoGloboHomo is unified.


    The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.
     
    Again, anti-factual.

    Preying on prepubescent children is normal for SJW Islam:
    -- Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9
    -- Child brides are normal in Islam

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wohnk3cp5BA/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    The Woke-slam of Muhammad embraces SJW ideals. Again, you can see the total convergence. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is what you will see.

     
    https://thejewishvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FOR-E-MAIL-BLAST-Major-Jewish-article-600x320.jpg
     

    Islamic BLM is a core SJW movement rooted in hatred for Judeo-Christians.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    , @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts

    I've made nearly verbatim points as well to A123. I really can't fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn't like together cohesively.
    To each their own, I guess.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

  33. German_reader says:
    @Svidomyatheart
    @German_reader

    Arent Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists? If so then expect tons of migrants and all kinds of concessions and destruction of heavy industry in favor of climate change.( i dont know whenever its payback for WW2 where they want to completely destroy and humiliate your nation or if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems).

    I was right when I said Luka bit more than he can chew. I think the only way you guys can realistically deter migrants is like utu said is to get Putin involved into it and he will ruin it. Now Luka stepping down and deescalating the whole ordeal

    https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1464178413346955265

    Once again like I said an excellent opportunity for Europe to enact more strict border control. Lukashenko just now beginning to realize that there are things Erdogan CAN do and Luka cant.

    Replies: @A123, @German_reader

    if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems

    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment. The hope seems to be that the technology for the hard problems like energy storage will just be there by 2030, when they want to exit coal power. I doubt it will go that smoothly, but hey, maybe I’m totally mistaken, I’m just an ignorant rightoid after all. We’ll see.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @German_reader


    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment.
     
    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Nuclear power was at the heart of Macron's France 2030 plan for re-industrialisation, announced last month. The plan includes a programme to demonstrate small reactor technology and mass production of hydrogen using nuclear electricity in this decade. Introducing the plan, he said he would be able to make his decision on the potential construction of up to six large reactors "in coming weeks", anticipating the completion of a pivotal study by Prime Minister Jean Castex and the transmission network operator RTE.

    According to a report published by RTE in late-October, the cheapest way for France to achieve its net-zero emissions target by 2050 would be through the construction of 14 large new reactors, plus a fleet of small modular reactors, as well as significantly investing in renewables.

    EDF has already stated that it would like to construct six more EPR reactors in France. The group was due to submit a report to the French President in mid-2021, who was then to decide on the construction of the reactors. During a trip to Framatome's Le Creusot plant in December 2020, Macron said the final decision to build new reactors must be taken no later than 2023, when the Flamanville EPR will be in service.
     

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Macron-says-France-will-construct-new-reactors

    Replies: @German_reader, @Pericles

    , @The Big Red Scary
    @German_reader

    There are hard, physical constraints on producing enough battery capacity (even assuming improved efficiency):

    https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/08/nation-sized-battery/

  34. @Dmitry
    Thanks Ron Unz for supporting the forum, that is really appreciated.

    LatW says:


    different from “Miami style” actually
     
    Well my knowledge of Miami is mainly from YouTube walking videos. It seems in the streets mainly tourists, with a lot of working class African African tourists from near to Southern States? Those African American dudes seem mainly to dress unpretentious, which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Just getting all clothes from Target and randomly wearing them.

    -

    Still the "stereotypical Miami style" from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don't care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color, from the most expensive Italian brands of the time, that you would be too scared to eat with even if covering yourself with paper sheets before.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CdKeep2huQ


    younger men are well groomed. I watched a bit of the Alye Parusa show from St Pete
     
    Yes for the young people it's just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I'm visiting Europe.

    Mr. Hack says:


    closest thing that we’ll experience that is like a time machine, especially on these new flat screen 4K TV
     
    Smart TV is also the closest thing to a travel machine.

    If you are addicted to YouTube walking videos. These experiences are almost half-way to visiting the places at 4k. At least, perhaps I am a bad tourist, but most of my pleasure is from walking in the streets randomly, and YouTube walking videos are nearly substitute for this to me.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Twinkie, @LatW

    “stereotypical Miami style” from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don’t care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color

    That’s right. I didn’t mean the actual local Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go there. Glamorous and a lot of pristine white clothing, white shoes, etc. The point is there is a fine line between glamorous and tacky / overdone.

    Yes for the young people it’s just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I’m visiting Europe.

    That’s what I meant, I started noticing that about 5 years ago. In 2019 I spent time in a location that is rather popular with upperclass Russians (not the very rich, but somewhat affluent Moscovites) and I started seeing a big difference in how women look. Much more subdued make up and the hair is kept natural, I do like blond highlights but they now have this sleek natural colored hair that looks very good. Clothing is high end but not flashy at all. Almost a little on the traditional side.

    The reason I’m wasting comment space mentioning this is because it’s visible there’s been a cultural change in the last 5-10 years (for the lack of a better time stamp). There were always Russian youths that looked / dressed “European” (and ofc there were always artsy types) but now it seems to be mainstream. And they’re not tatted up and overweight. This is a great balance. Same for Belarus (you could see that during the mass “walking” event).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    upperclass .. youths that looked / dressed “European”
     
    Well the upperclass rulers of Russia have been fashionable LGBTQ looking hipsters for around a decade now if you were following them in social media.

    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano executive and daughter of a famous Jewish oligarch. At 0:30 the presenter of MTV Russia (who owns shops and restaurants in Moscow), boyfriend of son of LifeNews owner, has a hoverboard. I'm pretty sure a hoverboard only popular with hipsters in the last few years even in London.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvD25Pnw6A

    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.


    Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go

     

    I haven't been in Miami, but I guess this how you can distinguish the Russian prostitutes that flood there with a tourist visa.

    But even in decade old videos, children of the Kremlin elite that buy half of the property in Miami, surely look perfectly like the local American hipsters. The ruling class are such kind of chameleons when they are outside Russia.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF_9IHpT7q8


    reason I’m wasting comment space mentioning this is because
     
    You're not wasting comment space. It's very true and it's what I've been thinking about for years - it's nice to find other people wondering about this situation.

    But the appearance of the ruling elite, filter to the class immediately below them, who still can overlap a little with their rulers.

    Aristocracy, is copied by the upper middle class in Moscow. But with Russia's economy, lower middle class can't copy the upper middle class, and it is cool enough for normal people to shop in H&M and Zara

    -

    In Russia, there is also a different situation that the upper class are trying to feed a special media to the normal Russian people - e.g. these projects like "Timati", and the politics like "LifeNews", etc.

    Some of this Timati project, is pretty successful no doubt - mainstream Generation Z in normal provincial Russia 2020, can be still all be trying to look like they are in a Timati video from 10 years ago. Here is the Timati style which is still mainstream in the normal youth/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Djswr79YE

    Although normal provincial middle class nerd children in Generation Z live on the internet. In the cities where there is a critical mass of middle class nerd kids, the nerds seem nowadays can rebel by imagining they live in South Korea instead of Russia. This wasn't like this in my youth. When I was growing up, nerds loved Japan, but such Korean culture was not even in the radar of the nerds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ma2-RPhqU

    Replies: @LatW

  35. @Coconuts

    When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.
     
    What constitutes SJWism? I understand it as politics and activism based on LGBTQ, 4th wave feminism, CRT and Post-Colonialism and the post-2000s anti-capitalism/occupy Wall Street movement. At the moment the enthusiasm for this stuff is mainly emanating from the US, even if earlier versions of the ideas used to be current in Europe (sometimes promoted/fostered by US power in past decades; developments in West German culture post-1945 seem to be a clear case of this).

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena. The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    What constitutes SJWism?

    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values is the core of SJW Globalism.

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena.

    Clearly anti-factual. MegaCorporations and SJW’s are a single, cohesive, inseparable whole. Consider this Islamic display.

      

    IslamoGloboHomo is unified.

    The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.

    Again, anti-factual.

    Preying on prepubescent children is normal for SJW Islam:
    — Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9
    — Child brides are normal in Islam

      

    The Woke-slam of Muhammad embraces SJW ideals. Again, you can see the total convergence. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is what you will see.

      

    Islamic BLM is a core SJW movement rooted in hatred for Judeo-Christians.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @A123


    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values
     
    That's pretty vague, if you don't give us a definition what "Judeo-Christian values" actually are.

    Consider this Islamic display.
     
    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an "Islamic display"?
    I'm not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam (e. g. you also blamed the rates of illegitimacy among black Americans on Islam, even though almost 80% of blacks in the US are at least nominal Christians, and there seem to be some indications they are more religious than whites or Hispanics:
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/02/07/5-facts-about-the-religious-lives-of-african-americans/
    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).

    Replies: @A123

    , @German_reader
    @A123


    Child brides are normal in Islam
     
    There are certainly many dubious customs in the Islamic world, but the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
    (which you can find in five minutes via reverse image search)
    I mean, I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to your world view, but don't you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123, @Yevardian

    , @RadicalCenter
    @A123

    Too bad those Muslims are pedophile perverts, not normal well-adjusted people like the Jews who "ritually" suck from a newborn baby's penis. Sick hypocrite self-worshipping inbreds -- and I don't just mean those Muslims.

  36. This is a reply to Dmitry’s message no. 953 in the other thread…

    It’s also especially easier to alienate yourself, because of smart televisions.

    So now you can watch 1970s television like it is a live presentation. Old television is far more relaxing and beautiful, than modern television. But it creates a very alienating sense in you, when you stop watching and suddenly realize you are living decades and political systems years too far into the future. It has the shock in unconscious mind of awakening from a dream.

    This is true, I experienced this last Sunday after watching an evening of 1970s BBC documentaries;
    there is another John Betjeman classic called ‘A Passion for Churches’ about church architecture in Norfolk and the life of various Church of England parishes there; I am not part of the C of E myself but it is a strange window into a now fading (or disappeared) kind of English life and culture.

    Then, sometimes it can also happen if you listen to old radio dramas, and hear many episodes in succession or an atmospheric play: this classic J.B. Priestly play about the passage of time, disappointment and inter-war middle class deliquescence for example:

    https://archive.org/details/2-time-and-the-conways

    Slightly spooky given the subject matter.

    Extremely strong way to have this if you are from the postsoviet sphere, is playing multi-hour wonderful Soviet broadcasting on your television, and imagine it is winter 1978, that Pugacheva is brilliant young woman singer (2:51:30), Kobzon doesn’t need a wig, beautiful Valentina Tolkunova (23:00 & 39:00) is still alive and hasn’t died.

    I don’t understand that much Russian and am not connected to the post-Soviet sphere directly, but watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.

    I used to experience something like this reasonably often being with my wife and in-laws in her home town in Belarus; possibly it is because the political and economic system there is quite ‘retro’ and it creates a weird disjoint and stasis, where you easily fall into believing that far away Britain is still similar to how it was in 1990. If I can I find it is interesting to read older (1950>) literature while in this mood.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    in Belarus, stasis
     
    Yes this atmosphere is also in Russia and I guess most of the postsoviet sphere outside of Baltic states. It's because you are thrown (to be ironic of Trotsky) on the "trash heap of history", and the statis is from the "golden age" of the 1970s and early 1980s. I was born in the early 1990s, but in much of the material culture of my schools it was like we were still living in 1970s. Also when I was young, we were in a small city, where most of our buildings of the 1960s/1970s.

    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.

    John Betjeman classic called ‘A Passion for Churches’ about church architecture in Norfolk.. kind of English life and culture.
     
    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century - some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.

    I haven't been to Richmond yet, but here it looks like an idealized view of the 19th century still in the 1975 year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoR1f260TUo.


    watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.
     
    And really relaxing as well. This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today. That is not say about, the high talent level of the singers.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  37. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @Coconuts


    What constitutes SJWism?
     
    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values is the core of SJW Globalism.

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena.
     
    Clearly anti-factual. MegaCorporations and SJW's are a single, cohesive, inseparable whole. Consider this Islamic display.

     
    https://www.gaycitynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ChasePrideIS.jpg
     

    IslamoGloboHomo is unified.


    The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.
     
    Again, anti-factual.

    Preying on prepubescent children is normal for SJW Islam:
    -- Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9
    -- Child brides are normal in Islam

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wohnk3cp5BA/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    The Woke-slam of Muhammad embraces SJW ideals. Again, you can see the total convergence. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is what you will see.

     
    https://thejewishvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FOR-E-MAIL-BLAST-Major-Jewish-article-600x320.jpg
     

    Islamic BLM is a core SJW movement rooted in hatred for Judeo-Christians.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values

    That’s pretty vague, if you don’t give us a definition what “Judeo-Christian values” actually are.

    Consider this Islamic display.

    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an “Islamic display”?
    I’m not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam (e. g. you also blamed the rates of illegitimacy among black Americans on Islam, even though almost 80% of blacks in the US are at least nominal Christians, and there seem to be some indications they are more religious than whites or Hispanics:
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/02/07/5-facts-about-the-religious-lives-of-african-americans/
    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).

    • Replies: @A123
    @German_reader



    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values
     
    That’s pretty vague, if you don’t give us a definition what “Judeo-Christian values” actually are.
     
    I have defined it multiple times in the past. You should have little difficulty going back and finding sufficient definition.

    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an “Islamic display”? I’m not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam
     
    The flag of the 'bacha bazi' indicates that children will soon be available to adult males. How can anyone not see the 'bacha bazi' flag as Islam in action?

    I do not regard all negatives as Islamic. However, the first pillar of Muslim faith is 'Jihad'. Defeat of the Infidels.

    How is it unreasonable to view these as acts of Jihad;
        • Undermining of Judeo-Christian values
        • Installation of SJW Islamic values


    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).
     
    And, in most jurisdictions they comprise 20%+ of the prison population. One doesn't need a majority for sabotage and espionage.

    Add to this Dhimmi who serve Islam. Perhaps there are members of Islamic BLM and Muslim Antifa who serve without formally converting. That does not changing the undeniable fact that Woke-slam drives BLM and Antifa.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  38. German_reader says:
    @A123
    @Coconuts


    What constitutes SJWism?
     
    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values is the core of SJW Globalism.

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena.
     
    Clearly anti-factual. MegaCorporations and SJW's are a single, cohesive, inseparable whole. Consider this Islamic display.

     
    https://www.gaycitynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ChasePrideIS.jpg
     

    IslamoGloboHomo is unified.


    The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.
     
    Again, anti-factual.

    Preying on prepubescent children is normal for SJW Islam:
    -- Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9
    -- Child brides are normal in Islam

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wohnk3cp5BA/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    The Woke-slam of Muhammad embraces SJW ideals. Again, you can see the total convergence. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is what you will see.

     
    https://thejewishvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FOR-E-MAIL-BLAST-Major-Jewish-article-600x320.jpg
     

    Islamic BLM is a core SJW movement rooted in hatred for Judeo-Christians.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    Child brides are normal in Islam

    There are certainly many dubious customs in the Islamic world, but the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
    (which you can find in five minutes via reverse image search)
    I mean, I’m not even entirely unsympathetic to your world view, but don’t you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    • Agree: Max Demian
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @German_reader

    He is a troll who has convinced himself of some factually incorrect beliefs to support his own political worldview.

    Islam is the next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.

    Replies: @A123

    , @A123
    @German_reader


    the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    ...
    don’t you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?
     
    I picked the photo based on the message the photo conveyed as an image. I never identified the underlying article. Whatever you think you have found via reverse search is 100% without relevance to the actual usage I presented for. So, as yet, you have not debunked anything.

    Several posters here, such as Yellowface Troll, have gone out of their way to challenge the simple observation that George IslamoSoros is a Muslim.. They have all failed to show any inconsistency between SJW Islamic beliefs and the 100% anti Judeo-Christian activities of The IslamoSoros.

    You may of course try to prove that he is not a Muslim. However you will fail, like those that proceeded you, The more that you fail at 'debunking' the more you strengthen my position.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    , @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't really bother engaging with A123 on anything involving the Middle-East, Islam, Israel, or perhaps any serious topic in general.

    And yes, I sympathise as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself. Actually, as a teenager, I had somewhat similar views to A123 (i.e., a Zionist cheerleader, seeing it as 'a Western bastion against the Islamic hordes', dismissing any 'pro-Arab' views as leftist 3rd-world worship [I wouldn't even consider reading N.Finkelstein at the time], etc.) although at some point I felt compelled to take a step back and critically re-examine my whole adolescent worldview
    Honestly, I don't recall what specific item it was exactly, most likely it was simply the mounting pile of information, with the British Embassy Bombing, the USS Liberty, Israel's incredible hypocrisy in refusing to recognise the Armenian genocide, the Lavon Plan, Israel's early funding of Hamas.. or simply direct accounts from people like Robert Fisk.

    The thing is, it seems many people, after either discovering or growing up with this information, go the other direction and choose to see Arabs, or even Muslims more generally, purely as righteous victims, or even as political 'allies' (George Galloway is a prime example of someone going off the deep end, I suppose Israel Shamir too), which is a whole different brand of insanity.

    I was torn about this for a while, but I think a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism, as well at it being theologically, far, far closer to Islam than to Christianity, I felt a 'gordion knot' moment in many areas.
    The other thing is, even if Israel was founded at least ostensibly as a Western country, it's become clear over the years, that its society, worldview and culture is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from the Arab shitholes that surround it. The most ironic thing is, this just makes the country more belligerent, inward-looking and supremacist, not less. Anyway, the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews 'normal' clearly lost. Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don't really rate his political opinions on anything else.

    Eh, I read a garbage comment from A123, intended to put a sentence or two, and ended up typing out this screed. That's the Unz review I guess.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @German_reader, @A123, @Max Demian

  39. @German_reader
    @A123


    Child brides are normal in Islam
     
    There are certainly many dubious customs in the Islamic world, but the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
    (which you can find in five minutes via reverse image search)
    I mean, I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to your world view, but don't you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123, @Yevardian

    He is a troll who has convinced himself of some factually incorrect beliefs to support his own political worldview.

    Islam is the next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    I have repeatedly stated that Christian Russia and the Christian U.S. make logical allies.

    Why do you keep buying of into the Leftoid "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth? You will be much happier you stop believing MSNBC.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  40. I have to say that without Anatoly the Unz site loses its charm. I am a liberal globalist who tries to be a Christian. I was here for Anatoly’s commentary about Russia which as someone with Skin in the Russian Game, I find quite accurate. The racism, anti-semitism, conspiracy theories et al with which the rest of the site is awash are vile. Yes, somewhere in all of that are valid ideas that are censored elsewhere but most is hate speech. That said the site has a right, indeed a duty to exist. It is an exercise in transparency.

    I might not disappaear immediately but I find myself fading away already.

    • Agree: Aedib, AP, showmethereal
    • Troll: schnellandine
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Philip Owen

    Just subscribe to Karlin's Substack, maybe he'll eventually get around to continue his blogging there (maybe read his AI Halloween story, which is quite entertaining, and leave a comment as a sign of appreciation).
    Most of UR is obviously only attractive for a very specific clientele. I'm far right by most people's definitions and only still come here for AK's comment section. It's unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.

    Replies: @Mikel

    , @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    Why would you exit? Ron Unz seems to be supporting our forum, which is very nice from him. So just stay on here and you can write with us. AnoninTN seemed to disappear, but otherwise we are getting thousands of posts in the last thread.

    I would ask if Thulean can write some guest posts on the blog which would probably trigger German Reader enough that he will never exit either.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @songbird
    @Philip Owen

    Mainstream media is honestly pretty vile, and, struggle as I might, I fail to see the comparison.

    What is the worst part of Unz? (I plead ignorance because many here have mentioned columnists that I have never read.) I'd guess Anglin (who I have seldom read), since I have heard people mention him offsite. But (1.) he is best characterized as being reactive to a destructive narrative. (2.) he is not very serious but means to be provocative (3.) Even if he were serious, the weight of his influence would be small compared to the overwhelming antiwhitism of standard media. And (4) Mr. Unz seems to welcome opposing view points.

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    And, even if I were to ignore their presence and grant the charge as a hypothetical, I have a hard time perceiving the harm. This site seems to be high IQ. I don't think that it is riling up low IQ Arabs to become suicide bombers, as the low IQ perp in Waukesha was obviously riled up. No cities have been burned down because of Unz Review. No juries intimidated, or men falsely accused of murder. No wars started. Nor does it seem to be undermining Jewish identity, influence, or power, which seem as great as ever. Jews are not exactly shrinking violets, if anything, attacks help build up their identity, cohesion, and strength.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader, @Pericles

    , @iffen
    @Philip Owen

    I am a liberal globalist who tries to be a Christian.

    ...

    I might not disappaear immediately but I find myself fading away already.

    You might fade away from UNZ, but your fellow travelers are in the driver's seat as far as the Western World is concerned, and it doesn't seem likely that they will fade.

  41. German_reader says:
    @Philip Owen
    I have to say that without Anatoly the Unz site loses its charm. I am a liberal globalist who tries to be a Christian. I was here for Anatoly's commentary about Russia which as someone with Skin in the Russian Game, I find quite accurate. The racism, anti-semitism, conspiracy theories et al with which the rest of the site is awash are vile. Yes, somewhere in all of that are valid ideas that are censored elsewhere but most is hate speech. That said the site has a right, indeed a duty to exist. It is an exercise in transparency.

    I might not disappaear immediately but I find myself fading away already.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @songbird, @iffen

    Just subscribe to Karlin’s Substack, maybe he’ll eventually get around to continue his blogging there (maybe read his AI Halloween story, which is quite entertaining, and leave a comment as a sign of appreciation).
    Most of UR is obviously only attractive for a very specific clientele. I’m far right by most people’s definitions and only still come here for AK’s comment section. It’s unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.

    • Agree: Barbarossa, iffen
    • Replies: @Mikel
    @German_reader


    It’s unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.
     
    Given that RU himself subscribes to a wide array of conspiracy theses, promotes at the top of his website the Truth Jihadist's pieces on illuminati or moon landing trutherism and hosts a number of Jew-obssesed authors, the commenters attracted to the site in general are what you would expect. No amount of design or commenting system can compensate for that.

    To make matters worse, Fred Reed has also left the site.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @showmethereal

  42. Lukashenko is further trying to clean himself of his own visa holding tourists, just adding more “subtle” and quieter traditional ways, but LT border guards are not very fond of it:

  43. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    “stereotypical Miami style” from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don’t care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color
     
    That's right. I didn't mean the actual local Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go there. Glamorous and a lot of pristine white clothing, white shoes, etc. The point is there is a fine line between glamorous and tacky / overdone.

    Yes for the young people it’s just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I’m visiting Europe.
     
    That's what I meant, I started noticing that about 5 years ago. In 2019 I spent time in a location that is rather popular with upperclass Russians (not the very rich, but somewhat affluent Moscovites) and I started seeing a big difference in how women look. Much more subdued make up and the hair is kept natural, I do like blond highlights but they now have this sleek natural colored hair that looks very good. Clothing is high end but not flashy at all. Almost a little on the traditional side.

    The reason I'm wasting comment space mentioning this is because it's visible there's been a cultural change in the last 5-10 years (for the lack of a better time stamp). There were always Russian youths that looked / dressed "European" (and ofc there were always artsy types) but now it seems to be mainstream. And they're not tatted up and overweight. This is a great balance. Same for Belarus (you could see that during the mass "walking" event).

    Replies: @Dmitry

    upperclass .. youths that looked / dressed “European”

    Well the upperclass rulers of Russia have been fashionable LGBTQ looking hipsters for around a decade now if you were following them in social media.

    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano executive and daughter of a famous Jewish oligarch. At 0:30 the presenter of MTV Russia (who owns shops and restaurants in Moscow), boyfriend of son of LifeNews owner, has a hoverboard. I’m pretty sure a hoverboard only popular with hipsters in the last few years even in London.

    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.

    Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go

    I haven’t been in Miami, but I guess this how you can distinguish the Russian prostitutes that flood there with a tourist visa.

    But even in decade old videos, children of the Kremlin elite that buy half of the property in Miami, surely look perfectly like the local American hipsters. The ruling class are such kind of chameleons when they are outside Russia.

    reason I’m wasting comment space mentioning this is because

    You’re not wasting comment space. It’s very true and it’s what I’ve been thinking about for years – it’s nice to find other people wondering about this situation.

    But the appearance of the ruling elite, filter to the class immediately below them, who still can overlap a little with their rulers.

    Aristocracy, is copied by the upper middle class in Moscow. But with Russia’s economy, lower middle class can’t copy the upper middle class, and it is cool enough for normal people to shop in H&M and Zara

    In Russia, there is also a different situation that the upper class are trying to feed a special media to the normal Russian people – e.g. these projects like “Timati”, and the politics like “LifeNews”, etc.

    Some of this Timati project, is pretty successful no doubt – mainstream Generation Z in normal provincial Russia 2020, can be still all be trying to look like they are in a Timati video from 10 years ago. Here is the Timati style which is still mainstream in the normal youth/

    Although normal provincial middle class nerd children in Generation Z live on the internet. In the cities where there is a critical mass of middle class nerd kids, the nerds seem nowadays can rebel by imagining they live in South Korea instead of Russia. This wasn’t like this in my youth. When I was growing up, nerds loved Japan, but such Korean culture was not even in the radar of the nerds.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.
     
    Possibly yes, if you look at the average. There's a strata in Moscow that has always been very stylish. Not just clothing but also demeanor, speech. Obviously, as in any big city. In the West, it kind of depends on the person's individual style and effort, if you put in the work, you can be very original.

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing. As in, normal modern clothing with just a little bit extra flare. Why I bring up this trivial matter is because some rather interesting original Russian clothing brands have come online recently. There are a few that merge into the Western style but retain some Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia. Especially if they had the ability to scale & create broader marketing (they are typically boutique). Another one that comes to mind is Gosha Rubchinskiy, a contemporary Russian designer who has tried to redefine and recapture the post-Soviet aesthetic. He doesn't yet cross into avant garde but he's definitely edgy and borderline provocative. This is an interesting question - to move away from that aesthetic entirely or to play with it. Especially since after 30 years one can finally have the comfort / privilege of distance when viewing it.

    Here is his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol). It would most likely qualify as entartete Kunst, but it's quite well done (and some pieces actually look quite wearable), you can see all the different post-Soviet Russian masculinities on display there (the soccer player, gopnik, the "militsioner", nerd, etc, even the classic stylized РНЕ uniform, very provocative, he should be careful not to trivialize it, bu there is definitely a nationalist twist in his fashion):

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd79XwLBx3e/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

    Replies: @Dmitry

  44. @Philip Owen
    I have to say that without Anatoly the Unz site loses its charm. I am a liberal globalist who tries to be a Christian. I was here for Anatoly's commentary about Russia which as someone with Skin in the Russian Game, I find quite accurate. The racism, anti-semitism, conspiracy theories et al with which the rest of the site is awash are vile. Yes, somewhere in all of that are valid ideas that are censored elsewhere but most is hate speech. That said the site has a right, indeed a duty to exist. It is an exercise in transparency.

    I might not disappaear immediately but I find myself fading away already.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @songbird, @iffen

    Why would you exit? Ron Unz seems to be supporting our forum, which is very nice from him. So just stay on here and you can write with us. AnoninTN seemed to disappear, but otherwise we are getting thousands of posts in the last thread.

    I would ask if Thulean can write some guest posts on the blog which would probably trigger German Reader enough that he will never exit either.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry


    AnoninTN seemed to disappear
     
    And Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick), Reiner Tor, Thorffinsson, AP (?), Daniel Chieh, The Big Red Scary, Gerard. German_reader only recently started a flurry of comments, after being on a lengthy hiatus. Maybe folks are just taking some well deserved time off, or:

    https://youtu.be/Bsa9ymSDoJ0

    Seven little coffins have already been filled. Who'll be next? Wh0 will remain and who will disappear? :-)

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @sher singh, @Dmitry

  45. @A123
    The World Health Organization capitulates to the Elite CCP (1)

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has explained why it skipped the Greek letters “nu” and “xi” in naming the new COVID-19 variant Omicron.

    “Two letters were skipped—Nu and Xi—because Nu is too easily confounded with ‘new’ and Xi was not used because it is a common surname and [the] WHO best practices for naming new diseases … suggest avoiding ‘causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional, or ethnic groups,'” the United Nations agency said in a statement to The Epoch Times on Saturday
     

     
    Would the WHO show such deference to any American, Trump or Biden?

    The reason why "international" organizations, such as WHO, lack credibility is their inherent pro-CCP bias. The UN, WTO, and NBA (∆) are equally corrupt and unreliable.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-explains-why-it-skipped-xi-when-naming-new-covid-19-variant-omicron

    (∆) Theoretically the NBA is a sports league, however they have sold out to the Elite CCP and are completely untrustworthy.

     
    https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/lebron-james-supports-communist-china-in-hong-kong-freedom-fight-nba-basketball-star-933x445.jpg

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    James Harden kow-tow-ing to all of China is hilarious:

    This is from when he was a Houston Rocket. When he was a Rocket his local performance art was going into the strip clubs (Houston has very glitzy strip clubs) with two burly bodyguards and shoving people out of his way to show all the strippers what a big shot he was.

  46. @German_reader
    @Svidomyatheart


    if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems
     
    I think they really believe it, imo it's crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment. The hope seems to be that the technology for the hard problems like energy storage will just be there by 2030, when they want to exit coal power. I doubt it will go that smoothly, but hey, maybe I'm totally mistaken, I'm just an ignorant rightoid after all. We'll see.

    Replies: @sudden death, @The Big Red Scary

    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment.

    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Nuclear power was at the heart of Macron’s France 2030 plan for re-industrialisation, announced last month. The plan includes a programme to demonstrate small reactor technology and mass production of hydrogen using nuclear electricity in this decade. Introducing the plan, he said he would be able to make his decision on the potential construction of up to six large reactors “in coming weeks”, anticipating the completion of a pivotal study by Prime Minister Jean Castex and the transmission network operator RTE.

    According to a report published by RTE in late-October, the cheapest way for France to achieve its net-zero emissions target by 2050 would be through the construction of 14 large new reactors, plus a fleet of small modular reactors, as well as significantly investing in renewables.

    EDF has already stated that it would like to construct six more EPR reactors in France. The group was due to submit a report to the French President in mid-2021, who was then to decide on the construction of the reactors. During a trip to Framatome’s Le Creusot plant in December 2020, Macron said the final decision to build new reactors must be taken no later than 2023, when the Flamanville EPR will be in service.

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Macron-says-France-will-construct-new-reactors

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @sudden death


    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:
     
    Something like that might well be happening de facto, with Germany becoming dependent on energy imports from its neighbours, but of course there are already signs of the usual anti-nuclear posturing by Germany, which is "concerned" about Poland's plans for nuclear power:
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-concerned-about-polands-nuclear-energy-plans/a-56603782
    The nuclear issue is already becoming a point of contention between Germany and pro-nuclear France and its eastern allies:
    https://www.dw.com/en/eu-states-split-on-classifying-nuclear-energy-as-green/a-59792406
    , @Pericles
    @sudden death

    Sweden has gone nuclear retard too which adds to the power crunch since we export a substantial part of what is generated.

    In an earlier era, Sweden got roughly 90% of its power from hydro and nuclear. Then it was decided to switch to solar and wind and gradually shut down the nuclear plants. Unexplainably, now power prices are skyrocketing and the government have ordered to start burning oil to try to replace the loss, LOL YOLO.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  47. @Philip Owen
    I have to say that without Anatoly the Unz site loses its charm. I am a liberal globalist who tries to be a Christian. I was here for Anatoly's commentary about Russia which as someone with Skin in the Russian Game, I find quite accurate. The racism, anti-semitism, conspiracy theories et al with which the rest of the site is awash are vile. Yes, somewhere in all of that are valid ideas that are censored elsewhere but most is hate speech. That said the site has a right, indeed a duty to exist. It is an exercise in transparency.

    I might not disappaear immediately but I find myself fading away already.

    Replies: @German_reader, @Dmitry, @songbird, @iffen

    Mainstream media is honestly pretty vile, and, struggle as I might, I fail to see the comparison.

    What is the worst part of Unz? (I plead ignorance because many here have mentioned columnists that I have never read.) I’d guess Anglin (who I have seldom read), since I have heard people mention him offsite. But (1.) he is best characterized as being reactive to a destructive narrative. (2.) he is not very serious but means to be provocative (3.) Even if he were serious, the weight of his influence would be small compared to the overwhelming antiwhitism of standard media. And (4) Mr. Unz seems to welcome opposing view points.

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    And, even if I were to ignore their presence and grant the charge as a hypothetical, I have a hard time perceiving the harm. This site seems to be high IQ. I don’t think that it is riling up low IQ Arabs to become suicide bombers, as the low IQ perp in Waukesha was obviously riled up. No cities have been burned down because of Unz Review. No juries intimidated, or men falsely accused of murder. No wars started. Nor does it seem to be undermining Jewish identity, influence, or power, which seem as great as ever. Jews are not exactly shrinking violets, if anything, attacks help build up their identity, cohesion, and strength.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @songbird

    Yes, but Philip Owen is a liberal who tries to be a Christian.
    He's subtly telling you he doesn't make friends discussing Unz at the Gay Bar||

    , @German_reader
    @songbird


    As to the charge of anti-Semitism
     
    Antisemitism is certainly a major theme on UR, perhaps even its main theme. I'd be lying if I claimed it bothered me that much, since imo there are at least some partial truths in the antisemitic material (Jewish nationalism and Jewish power are a real factor in the world, from my perspective frequently a negative one). However, when one reads the antisemitic authors on UR like Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Tobias Langdon, imo there's no denying that their arguments are ultimately pretty extreme, despite the seemingly academic format. They really do present Jews as a monolithically evil force throughout the ages (sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children). It's hard to see what their solution for the Jewish issue could be, if not an eliminationist one, and in the comment sections commenters like "neutral" (who once was active on AK's blog) are drawing exactly that conclusion. Of course those points apply even more to someone like the openly pro-Nazi Raches and his commenters. So imo calling much of UR antisemitic is just a factual description.
    However I agree with you that UR is unlikely to spur violence in the real world, it's probably still too cerebral for the sort of people who are inclined to commit mass shootings and the like.

    Replies: @songbird, @Ron Unz

    , @Pericles
    @songbird


    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

     

    One of their secret powers is they don't really care what you think of them. Cries of anti-semitism is just policing of goyim they don't like.

    Replies: @songbird

  48. @Coconuts
    This is a reply to Dmitry's message no. 953 in the other thread...

    It’s also especially easier to alienate yourself, because of smart televisions.

    So now you can watch 1970s television like it is a live presentation. Old television is far more relaxing and beautiful, than modern television. But it creates a very alienating sense in you, when you stop watching and suddenly realize you are living decades and political systems years too far into the future. It has the shock in unconscious mind of awakening from a dream.
     
    This is true, I experienced this last Sunday after watching an evening of 1970s BBC documentaries;
    there is another John Betjeman classic called 'A Passion for Churches' about church architecture in Norfolk and the life of various Church of England parishes there; I am not part of the C of E myself but it is a strange window into a now fading (or disappeared) kind of English life and culture.

    Then, sometimes it can also happen if you listen to old radio dramas, and hear many episodes in succession or an atmospheric play: this classic J.B. Priestly play about the passage of time, disappointment and inter-war middle class deliquescence for example:

    https://archive.org/details/2-time-and-the-conways

    Slightly spooky given the subject matter.

    Extremely strong way to have this if you are from the postsoviet sphere, is playing multi-hour wonderful Soviet broadcasting on your television, and imagine it is winter 1978, that Pugacheva is brilliant young woman singer (2:51:30), Kobzon doesn’t need a wig, beautiful Valentina Tolkunova (23:00 & 39:00) is still alive and hasn’t died.
     
    I don't understand that much Russian and am not connected to the post-Soviet sphere directly, but watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.

    I used to experience something like this reasonably often being with my wife and in-laws in her home town in Belarus; possibly it is because the political and economic system there is quite 'retro' and it creates a weird disjoint and stasis, where you easily fall into believing that far away Britain is still similar to how it was in 1990. If I can I find it is interesting to read older (1950>) literature while in this mood.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    in Belarus, stasis

    Yes this atmosphere is also in Russia and I guess most of the postsoviet sphere outside of Baltic states. It’s because you are thrown (to be ironic of Trotsky) on the “trash heap of history”, and the statis is from the “golden age” of the 1970s and early 1980s. I was born in the early 1990s, but in much of the material culture of my schools it was like we were still living in 1970s. Also when I was young, we were in a small city, where most of our buildings of the 1960s/1970s.

    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.

    John Betjeman classic called ‘A Passion for Churches’ about church architecture in Norfolk.. kind of English life and culture.

    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century – some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.

    I haven’t been to Richmond yet, but here it looks like an idealized view of the 19th century still in the 1975 year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoR1f260TUo.

    watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.

    And really relaxing as well. This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today. That is not say about, the high talent level of the singers.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.
     
    It sounds like it could be at least part of it. I am fairly certain the places where I grew up and went to school had a kind of formative influence, even though I was not aware of it at the time.

    Possibly there is some kind of shared 'Northern European industrial city' pattern where the cities rise up from small or non-existent beginnings in the 19th-early 20th century due to the development of heavy and extractive industries, draw in peasants from a wide geographic area, then through the 20th C. the life of the cities continues to revolve around all the works and plants. The 1980s marks the beginning of the end for this kind of society, the plants close, there is mass unemployment, decline of culture, rising crime, drug use and so on.

    In the Soviet Union, because the whole economy and political system was structured around this it happened in a mega society wide way.


    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century – some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.
     
    I find these places have a grand and imperial feel, I grew up around a lot of late 19th and early 20th century architecture, but it was mostly modest and provincial (apart from some of the council and union buildings, some mansions). The richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable, or as you mention in those other places that date back further, where you can see evidence of more wealth and a more developed culture stretching back into the 17th and 18th centuries.

    This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today.
     

    On UK TV the change seems to have started in the 1980s but by the late 90s was very well underway, it is very stark when you look back now.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  49. The Battle for Lake Chosin, a Chinese war film, is now the highest-grossing film of 2021.
    I’ve skimmed the film by viewing a pirated copy on Vimeo (since taken down). My impression is that even for propaganda purposes, it is poorly made. Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it’s night and day.

    Thanks to an intense Hollywood campaign spanning many decades, most young Europeans would credit the US for the liberation of Europe rather than the USSR. Such is the power of the American propaganda machine. China, by contrast, has nothing. Even when its films are successful, that success is solely limited to domestic audiences, severely limiting its ability to project soft power abroad.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape. As a consequence, she was “disappeared”. When questions were raised, Chinese Twitter accounts affiliated with state media put out obviously faked screenshots of what was supposed to be her mailed statements. Except they contained no timestamps, no addresses or any other details.

    Obviously the Western media cynically exploited this scandal but the Chinese reaction was a timely reminder that Chinese propaganda remains abysmal.

    If you look at Chinese cultural output more broadly, I see nothing akin to Japan’s manga or Korea’s K-pop. The only area where I can see some genuine achievements would be science fiction, but that is a very niche field and it plays to China’s strengths (science/tech).

    Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don’t have “Indian towns”.

    Will any of this matter? If you think China has a shot at replacing the US, then it should give you pause. American ability to brainwash foreigners is an extremely underrated tool of its power projection. If you do not China has the capability to become the uncontested hegemon – and I do not, as my bet with AK proves – then this will merely serve as confirmation of your skepticism. Of course, propaganda is merely one tool of the arsenal of a superpower. Economic strength is the most important one, but even there I am doubtful that China will ever meaningfully surpass the US. That’s another debate, however.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @anyone with a brain
    @Thulean Friend

    The Peng Shuai debacle is a fabrication https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    It is very hard for pro-China facts to leak through the western media firewall. But very easy for western lies to greater in the cesspool inside the firewall.

    The Chinese probably don't care if westerners know the facts about Peng Shuai, and why should they? There is no democracy (which requires an intelligent and prosperous citizenry) in the West, there is zero chance of there coming to power a pro-China political party or movement.

    China leads the way in science and technology and more importantly in culture. They have the cultural capacity to create and sustain civilization, while the West has obviously lost it.

    Your point about Chinese cultural influence being non-existent and it being necessary is weak. Especially when you compare it favorably to Indian cultural influence.
    And this one question proves it.
    Would you prefer your hypothetical 18 year old daughter travel alone in China or India?

    , @Beckow
    @Thulean Friend


    American ability to brainwash foreigners...
     
    And by brainwash you mean to lie? What else would it be? Let's not escape into unnecessary complex terminology. It always takes two for a lie to exist: the lier and the willing receptor of the lie. So I am not particularly sympathetic to the foreigners who are the audience for the constant lying - they seem to prefer it that way.

    I actually agree with most of what you said, the missing part is that the world has never had a hegemon and China won't be one either. The world is a big place with too many people, it is not open to central management. In the so-called unipolar era, US was not a hegemon, only a place with reserve currency and a dominant culture. The future will be very much the same: a number of different powers jostling for resources, influence, control of smaller places, cultural reach. If you see it that way, China will be about the same as US was in the 1992-2008 period. Don't forget that China makes most of the stuff the world uses today.

    , @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend

    I was pleased to see that this new Open Thread was doing fine and attracting lots of discussion, so I decided to browse through it a little myself, and a few things jumped out at me.


    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape.
     
    This seems a perfect example of the awesome power of the American MSM to "create reality" from absolutely nothing at all. I found the debunking of the MoA blogger quite convincing:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    To the extent that any of you check the material and ultimately agree with my conclusions, perhaps you should do some extrapolation and interpolation to other important matters in which your understanding of the world comes from the Western MSM.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don’t have “Indian towns”.
     
    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure. TBH, does not seem like a valid criticism. Many Chinatowns are fairly small. None of them are fully homogeneous. Are you saying that there are no comparable concentrations of subcons in the West? Or that they aren't as popular with tourists? Or aren't old enough to have map names?

    Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it’s night and day.
     
    I only watched the trailer. I'll allow that it might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda? Well, it was high budget. It had a certain amount of spectacle. But many parts of the film were quite weak. There was basically a media campaign to say it was a good movie, but I'm not sure that I remember anyone who thought that it was a good movie. "Evil German" is one of the most cloying cliches in Hollywood. They tried to pass Vin Diesel off as an Italian! Even without a lot of janky CGI, it is not very realistic in a lot of areas.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @Erzberger
    @Thulean Friend

    “ Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. ”

    China is a very old civilization and has an extremely rich track record regarding cultural output, even though it has always been ruled by authoritarian regimes. Up to the 19th c, when China was all but ruined by vandals (Britain, France, US) and their Opium Wars (Opium grown in India and Turkey, and sold at gunpoint to China), China was greatly admired for its many unique inventions, and the modern world would simply not have been possible without paper, gunpowder, the compass, the printing press. What about silk and porcelain (“China”), Chinese architecture, music, painting, philosophy? Confucianism and Taoism had a major impact on European philosophy, esp Enlightenment philosophy, from Voltaire to Kant. A Hundred Schools of Thought would have been impossible in contemporary Christian Europe, also known as the Dark Ages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Schools_of_Thought

    Or Chinese medicine and agriculture? Massive output and influence. India cannot hold a candle to China’s achievements, neither can Europe, nor the US.

    As for genetic reasons: A bit absurd if you consider just how most Chinese became Han Chinese. It has probably more to do with the fact that China, under Imperial or even the present Communist rule, is a highly competitive meritocracy. The rise of Zheng He from castrated Muslim minority slave to greatest seafarer and Chinese ambassador is unimaginable in caste conscious India or feudal Europe, or the slave holding United states centuries later

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/zheng-he-china-explorer-ships/

    http://en.people.cn/90782/8044241.html

    Replies: @songbird, @Ron Unz, @Thulean Friend

    , @showmethereal
    @Thulean Friend

    Where do you get the idea China wants to be the unchallenged hegemon??? Chinese are not westerners and don't think like westerners. China's danger is always that it keeps the outside world OUT too much. Chinese don't want to rule you. As to what China can achieve.... All you have to do is look back at it's history.

    Oh and the Peng Shui case is complete garbage. She never accused the guy of rape. In fact she admits to consenting to sex again - after persuasion. That is not rape. The issue is what his position was during their 10 year consenting affair. A CPC member can be expelled for having extra marital affairs. But there was no rape accusation.

  50. German_reader says:
    @sudden death
    @German_reader


    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment.
     
    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Nuclear power was at the heart of Macron's France 2030 plan for re-industrialisation, announced last month. The plan includes a programme to demonstrate small reactor technology and mass production of hydrogen using nuclear electricity in this decade. Introducing the plan, he said he would be able to make his decision on the potential construction of up to six large reactors "in coming weeks", anticipating the completion of a pivotal study by Prime Minister Jean Castex and the transmission network operator RTE.

    According to a report published by RTE in late-October, the cheapest way for France to achieve its net-zero emissions target by 2050 would be through the construction of 14 large new reactors, plus a fleet of small modular reactors, as well as significantly investing in renewables.

    EDF has already stated that it would like to construct six more EPR reactors in France. The group was due to submit a report to the French President in mid-2021, who was then to decide on the construction of the reactors. During a trip to Framatome's Le Creusot plant in December 2020, Macron said the final decision to build new reactors must be taken no later than 2023, when the Flamanville EPR will be in service.
     

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Macron-says-France-will-construct-new-reactors

    Replies: @German_reader, @Pericles

    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Something like that might well be happening de facto, with Germany becoming dependent on energy imports from its neighbours, but of course there are already signs of the usual anti-nuclear posturing by Germany, which is “concerned” about Poland’s plans for nuclear power:
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-concerned-about-polands-nuclear-energy-plans/a-56603782
    The nuclear issue is already becoming a point of contention between Germany and pro-nuclear France and its eastern allies:
    https://www.dw.com/en/eu-states-split-on-classifying-nuclear-energy-as-green/a-59792406

  51. @songbird
    @Philip Owen

    Mainstream media is honestly pretty vile, and, struggle as I might, I fail to see the comparison.

    What is the worst part of Unz? (I plead ignorance because many here have mentioned columnists that I have never read.) I'd guess Anglin (who I have seldom read), since I have heard people mention him offsite. But (1.) he is best characterized as being reactive to a destructive narrative. (2.) he is not very serious but means to be provocative (3.) Even if he were serious, the weight of his influence would be small compared to the overwhelming antiwhitism of standard media. And (4) Mr. Unz seems to welcome opposing view points.

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    And, even if I were to ignore their presence and grant the charge as a hypothetical, I have a hard time perceiving the harm. This site seems to be high IQ. I don't think that it is riling up low IQ Arabs to become suicide bombers, as the low IQ perp in Waukesha was obviously riled up. No cities have been burned down because of Unz Review. No juries intimidated, or men falsely accused of murder. No wars started. Nor does it seem to be undermining Jewish identity, influence, or power, which seem as great as ever. Jews are not exactly shrinking violets, if anything, attacks help build up their identity, cohesion, and strength.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader, @Pericles

    Yes, but Philip Owen is a liberal who tries to be a Christian.
    He’s subtly telling you he doesn’t make friends discussing Unz at the Gay Bar||

    • LOL: songbird
  52. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @Philip Owen

    Mainstream media is honestly pretty vile, and, struggle as I might, I fail to see the comparison.

    What is the worst part of Unz? (I plead ignorance because many here have mentioned columnists that I have never read.) I'd guess Anglin (who I have seldom read), since I have heard people mention him offsite. But (1.) he is best characterized as being reactive to a destructive narrative. (2.) he is not very serious but means to be provocative (3.) Even if he were serious, the weight of his influence would be small compared to the overwhelming antiwhitism of standard media. And (4) Mr. Unz seems to welcome opposing view points.

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    And, even if I were to ignore their presence and grant the charge as a hypothetical, I have a hard time perceiving the harm. This site seems to be high IQ. I don't think that it is riling up low IQ Arabs to become suicide bombers, as the low IQ perp in Waukesha was obviously riled up. No cities have been burned down because of Unz Review. No juries intimidated, or men falsely accused of murder. No wars started. Nor does it seem to be undermining Jewish identity, influence, or power, which seem as great as ever. Jews are not exactly shrinking violets, if anything, attacks help build up their identity, cohesion, and strength.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader, @Pericles

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism

    Antisemitism is certainly a major theme on UR, perhaps even its main theme. I’d be lying if I claimed it bothered me that much, since imo there are at least some partial truths in the antisemitic material (Jewish nationalism and Jewish power are a real factor in the world, from my perspective frequently a negative one). However, when one reads the antisemitic authors on UR like Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Tobias Langdon, imo there’s no denying that their arguments are ultimately pretty extreme, despite the seemingly academic format. They really do present Jews as a monolithically evil force throughout the ages (sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children). It’s hard to see what their solution for the Jewish issue could be, if not an eliminationist one, and in the comment sections commenters like “neutral” (who once was active on AK’s blog) are drawing exactly that conclusion. Of course those points apply even more to someone like the openly pro-Nazi Raches and his commenters. So imo calling much of UR antisemitic is just a factual description.
    However I agree with you that UR is unlikely to spur violence in the real world, it’s probably still too cerebral for the sort of people who are inclined to commit mass shootings and the like.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @German_reader

    Langdon doesn't seem to appear on the front page, anymore.

    Only just browsed Joyce's "On Jews and Vampires." Title is certainly provocative, but I don't think the content is dehumanizing. Seems to be oppositional or reactionary. If I understand his closing premise correctly - that Jews secretly see themselves as the villains - I find it laughable.

    Have read only a tiny bit of KMac. I found his style, which seems to be quoting the political word salad of Jewish academicians, extremely tedious. It may have its purpose (such as showing affiliation and attitudes), but, IMO, it doesn't make for good reading.


    sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children)
     
    not really familiar with the literature here. I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside). But I'll allow that some of the pedophiles may have been Jews and may have been lynched, as a result. As an American, I'm really sensitive to the fact that many blacks who were murderers and rapists have been venerated as victims, with monuments erected to them, when the weight of evidence is still sharply against them. (Not that there is enough evidence to review medieval crimes)

    Jewish child sacrifice is not a theory I favor, but I don't know that it is really any more opprobrious than the blood libel that some Jews (including some of my personal acquaintances) have put on Euros. I don't think that this blood libel matches up with the DNA evidence, which seems to show that the Ashkenazim in their millions are descended from a small settler population. No saying that there were never any massacres, but that was par for the course in medieval times, and they may have gotten less of it, rather than more. And anyway, I think that bringing it up now, and trying to make political hay of it, is really quite obnoxious, self-centered, and harmful. All of these same people would defend Indian raids or the Haitian Revolution.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    , @Ron Unz
    @German_reader


    MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children
     
    I don't think MacDonald has ever made that claim, at least in anything more than the vaguest and most glancing fashion. And if he did, I'm pretty sure he would have gotten the material from a couple of my own 2018 articles, which discussed the issue in far more substantial fashion:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    Meanwhile, I think I'd originally discovered those shocking facts from a couple of Israel Shamir's columns originally published on Counterpunch around 2007 or 2008.
  53. @A123
    @German_reader


    the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.
     
    I concur. The top 4 parties in Germany support massive immigration inflows.

    The problem for the German people is that those around them are learning the Truth. Open [Muslim] Borders are a mistake. They can never assimilate, engage in religious discrimination, and bring crime with them. (1)


    Muslim Attacks on Christian Churches

    France: On October 11, an illegal Muslim migrant from North Africa barged into the Notre-Dame de l'Assomption Basilica in Nice, a city that has a significant Muslim population. He began to "scream in Arabic" and spit on the church's floor. He left, only to return 10 minutes later and resume his yelling and spitting; he also began to threaten the sacristan, who contacted police. Although the Muslim migrant tried to escape, police managed to apprehend him. Three months earlier, in July, another Muslim was arrested after entering the same basilica and shouting at the congregants, "I'm going to come back and I'll kill you all." And a year earlier, on October 29, 2020, a Muslim terrorist slaughtered three Christians in the same basilica.

    Germany: A migrant from Afghanistan vandalized church property in the city of Nordhausen. The man, who came to Germany as an "asylum seeker" in 2015, was found angrily removing many of the church's objects—including the crucifix that hung on its main wall, altar items, and hymn books—out of the church building. When the pastor confronted him about his actions, the man replied that he "can't accept the Christian faith." According to the October 30 report:


    "The 'refugee' describes the Christian faith as 'wrong' and takes the view that it is fundamentally a mistake that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is why he felt compelled to redecorate such a house of worship... He made his point of view clear that he cannot accept the Christian faith."
     
    Police were eventually called and the man expelled from the premises. Some of the church's items were damaged by him, including the Christ figure which broke off the cross; and "a showcase inside the church was also broken into and cleared out."
     
    Ultimately, the only solution for Europe will be returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    There is one huge upside to all of this. Hypocrisy will prevent Europe from objecting when others follow their precedent -- Returns for Me, but not for Thee! is a very hollow concept. The solution for Palestine is also returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Pericles, @RadicalCenter

    Well, perhaps the underlying problem is waiting for the police to remove stinky kebab rather than grilling it yourself? Along with the usual tepid official response afterwards, of course.

    • Replies: @Max Demian
    @Pericles


    Well, perhaps the underlying problem is waiting for the police to remove stinky kebab rather than grilling it yourself?
     
    Charming metaphor. Thanks for elevating the discourse.
  54. @sudden death
    @German_reader


    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment.
     
    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Nuclear power was at the heart of Macron's France 2030 plan for re-industrialisation, announced last month. The plan includes a programme to demonstrate small reactor technology and mass production of hydrogen using nuclear electricity in this decade. Introducing the plan, he said he would be able to make his decision on the potential construction of up to six large reactors "in coming weeks", anticipating the completion of a pivotal study by Prime Minister Jean Castex and the transmission network operator RTE.

    According to a report published by RTE in late-October, the cheapest way for France to achieve its net-zero emissions target by 2050 would be through the construction of 14 large new reactors, plus a fleet of small modular reactors, as well as significantly investing in renewables.

    EDF has already stated that it would like to construct six more EPR reactors in France. The group was due to submit a report to the French President in mid-2021, who was then to decide on the construction of the reactors. During a trip to Framatome's Le Creusot plant in December 2020, Macron said the final decision to build new reactors must be taken no later than 2023, when the Flamanville EPR will be in service.
     

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Macron-says-France-will-construct-new-reactors

    Replies: @German_reader, @Pericles

    Sweden has gone nuclear retard too which adds to the power crunch since we export a substantial part of what is generated.

    In an earlier era, Sweden got roughly 90% of its power from hydro and nuclear. Then it was decided to switch to solar and wind and gradually shut down the nuclear plants. Unexplainably, now power prices are skyrocketing and the government have ordered to start burning oil to try to replace the loss, LOL YOLO.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Pericles

    Conventional nuclear advocates have to grapple with the fact that costs are prohibitive too. The trendlines are not improving.

    At any rate, this discussion ignores the fact that fusion energy has been making huge strides lately, not just in the US but also in China. Much of this discussion is stuck in the past.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

  55. @songbird
    @Philip Owen

    Mainstream media is honestly pretty vile, and, struggle as I might, I fail to see the comparison.

    What is the worst part of Unz? (I plead ignorance because many here have mentioned columnists that I have never read.) I'd guess Anglin (who I have seldom read), since I have heard people mention him offsite. But (1.) he is best characterized as being reactive to a destructive narrative. (2.) he is not very serious but means to be provocative (3.) Even if he were serious, the weight of his influence would be small compared to the overwhelming antiwhitism of standard media. And (4) Mr. Unz seems to welcome opposing view points.

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    And, even if I were to ignore their presence and grant the charge as a hypothetical, I have a hard time perceiving the harm. This site seems to be high IQ. I don't think that it is riling up low IQ Arabs to become suicide bombers, as the low IQ perp in Waukesha was obviously riled up. No cities have been burned down because of Unz Review. No juries intimidated, or men falsely accused of murder. No wars started. Nor does it seem to be undermining Jewish identity, influence, or power, which seem as great as ever. Jews are not exactly shrinking violets, if anything, attacks help build up their identity, cohesion, and strength.

    Replies: @sher singh, @German_reader, @Pericles

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    One of their secret powers is they don’t really care what you think of them. Cries of anti-semitism is just policing of goyim they don’t like.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Pericles

    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men - Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. "Do you really love me?" (asking for the 1000th time). If one were to pit it against the same mindset, there would be no surrender, just argument, which is maybe what they sometimes want. Recreational contention, for the pleasure of it.

    Replies: @A123

  56. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    Why would you exit? Ron Unz seems to be supporting our forum, which is very nice from him. So just stay on here and you can write with us. AnoninTN seemed to disappear, but otherwise we are getting thousands of posts in the last thread.

    I would ask if Thulean can write some guest posts on the blog which would probably trigger German Reader enough that he will never exit either.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    AnoninTN seemed to disappear

    And Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick), Reiner Tor, Thorffinsson, AP (?), Daniel Chieh, The Big Red Scary, Gerard. German_reader only recently started a flurry of comments, after being on a lengthy hiatus. Maybe folks are just taking some well deserved time off, or:

    Seven little coffins have already been filled. Who’ll be next? Wh0 will remain and who will disappear? 🙂

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Mr. Hack

    Nobody is irreplaceable - so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    , @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack


    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick)
     
    It's too bad your ethnocentricism, evinced by terming a Buryat a Slavic sidekick, is not applied to reproduction||

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack


    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick),
     
    They were both very good and interesting writers.

    I guess the real justification for Bashibuzuk exiting, is his wife found he was posting here every 10 minutes, and she was calling him an idiot.

    At first he acted like he was a noble dissident, exiting from us, because he was worried that Karlin was going to donate his information implausibly to Russian intelligence services. But then he returned when Karlin brilliantly trolled him with "Putin is a Russian nationalist" posting, and started to write even more specific biographical information (about his life in 1990s Paris etc).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  57. @German_reader
    @A123


    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values
     
    That's pretty vague, if you don't give us a definition what "Judeo-Christian values" actually are.

    Consider this Islamic display.
     
    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an "Islamic display"?
    I'm not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam (e. g. you also blamed the rates of illegitimacy among black Americans on Islam, even though almost 80% of blacks in the US are at least nominal Christians, and there seem to be some indications they are more religious than whites or Hispanics:
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/02/07/5-facts-about-the-religious-lives-of-african-americans/
    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).

    Replies: @A123

    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values

    That’s pretty vague, if you don’t give us a definition what “Judeo-Christian values” actually are.

    I have defined it multiple times in the past. You should have little difficulty going back and finding sufficient definition.

    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an “Islamic display”? I’m not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam

    The flag of the ‘bacha bazi’ indicates that children will soon be available to adult males. How can anyone not see the ‘bacha bazi’ flag as Islam in action?

    I do not regard all negatives as Islamic. However, the first pillar of Muslim faith is ‘Jihad’. Defeat of the Infidels.

    How is it unreasonable to view these as acts of Jihad;
        • Undermining of Judeo-Christian values
        • Installation of SJW Islamic values

    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).

    And, in most jurisdictions they comprise 20%+ of the prison population. One doesn’t need a majority for sabotage and espionage.

    Add to this Dhimmi who serve Islam. Perhaps there are members of Islamic BLM and Muslim Antifa who serve without formally converting. That does not changing the undeniable fact that Woke-slam drives BLM and Antifa.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  58. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry


    AnoninTN seemed to disappear
     
    And Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick), Reiner Tor, Thorffinsson, AP (?), Daniel Chieh, The Big Red Scary, Gerard. German_reader only recently started a flurry of comments, after being on a lengthy hiatus. Maybe folks are just taking some well deserved time off, or:

    https://youtu.be/Bsa9ymSDoJ0

    Seven little coffins have already been filled. Who'll be next? Wh0 will remain and who will disappear? :-)

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @sher singh, @Dmitry

    Nobody is irreplaceable – so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dan Hayes

    Within the bunch of commenters that I've mentioned above are some very creative, high IQ individuals that exhibit strong traits of being erudite and pantomathic. I've never encountered such a bunch!

    , @A123
    @Dan Hayes


    Nobody is irreplaceable – so bring on the next consignment of replacers!
     
    ROTFL -- I am unique! And therefore irreplaceable.

    Who could possibly replace me?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
  59. @German_reader
    @A123


    Child brides are normal in Islam
     
    There are certainly many dubious customs in the Islamic world, but the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
    (which you can find in five minutes via reverse image search)
    I mean, I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to your world view, but don't you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123, @Yevardian

    the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:

    don’t you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    I picked the photo based on the message the photo conveyed as an image. I never identified the underlying article. Whatever you think you have found via reverse search is 100% without relevance to the actual usage I presented for. So, as yet, you have not debunked anything.

    Several posters here, such as Yellowface Troll, have gone out of their way to challenge the simple observation that George IslamoSoros is a Muslim.. They have all failed to show any inconsistency between SJW Islamic beliefs and the 100% anti Judeo-Christian activities of The IslamoSoros.

    You may of course try to prove that he is not a Muslim. However you will fail, like those that proceeded you, The more that you fail at ‘debunking’ the more you strengthen my position.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  60. @Thulean Friend
    The Battle for Lake Chosin, a Chinese war film, is now the highest-grossing film of 2021.
    I've skimmed the film by viewing a pirated copy on Vimeo (since taken down). My impression is that even for propaganda purposes, it is poorly made. Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it's night and day.

    Thanks to an intense Hollywood campaign spanning many decades, most young Europeans would credit the US for the liberation of Europe rather than the USSR. Such is the power of the American propaganda machine. China, by contrast, has nothing. Even when its films are successful, that success is solely limited to domestic audiences, severely limiting its ability to project soft power abroad.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape. As a consequence, she was "disappeared". When questions were raised, Chinese Twitter accounts affiliated with state media put out obviously faked screenshots of what was supposed to be her mailed statements. Except they contained no timestamps, no addresses or any other details.

    Obviously the Western media cynically exploited this scandal but the Chinese reaction was a timely reminder that Chinese propaganda remains abysmal.

    If you look at Chinese cultural output more broadly, I see nothing akin to Japan's manga or Korea's K-pop. The only area where I can see some genuine achievements would be science fiction, but that is a very niche field and it plays to China's strengths (science/tech).

    Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don't have "Indian towns".

    Will any of this matter? If you think China has a shot at replacing the US, then it should give you pause. American ability to brainwash foreigners is an extremely underrated tool of its power projection. If you do not China has the capability to become the uncontested hegemon - and I do not, as my bet with AK proves - then this will merely serve as confirmation of your skepticism. Of course, propaganda is merely one tool of the arsenal of a superpower. Economic strength is the most important one, but even there I am doubtful that China will ever meaningfully surpass the US. That's another debate, however.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain, @Beckow, @Ron Unz, @songbird, @Erzberger, @showmethereal

    The Peng Shuai debacle is a fabrication https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    It is very hard for pro-China facts to leak through the western media firewall. But very easy for western lies to greater in the cesspool inside the firewall.

    The Chinese probably don’t care if westerners know the facts about Peng Shuai, and why should they? There is no democracy (which requires an intelligent and prosperous citizenry) in the West, there is zero chance of there coming to power a pro-China political party or movement.

    China leads the way in science and technology and more importantly in culture. They have the cultural capacity to create and sustain civilization, while the West has obviously lost it.

    Your point about Chinese cultural influence being non-existent and it being necessary is weak. Especially when you compare it favorably to Indian cultural influence.
    And this one question proves it.
    Would you prefer your hypothetical 18 year old daughter travel alone in China or India?

  61. @Yellowface Anon
    @German_reader

    He is a troll who has convinced himself of some factually incorrect beliefs to support his own political worldview.

    Islam is the next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.

    Replies: @A123

    I have repeatedly stated that Christian Russia and the Christian U.S. make logical allies.

    Why do you keep buying of into the Leftoid “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth? You will be much happier you stop believing MSNBC.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    PBUYT

    They should! The common ground for cooperation is indeed large. The only enmity towards Russia is from those in the Deep State who wants to resurrect a Yeltsin-like dependency in Russia's leadership.

    But I wasn't talking about how you view Russia, but Islam.

    Replies: @A123

  62. @Dan Hayes
    @Mr. Hack

    Nobody is irreplaceable - so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Within the bunch of commenters that I’ve mentioned above are some very creative, high IQ individuals that exhibit strong traits of being erudite and pantomathic. I’ve never encountered such a bunch!

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  63. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    I have repeatedly stated that Christian Russia and the Christian U.S. make logical allies.

    Why do you keep buying of into the Leftoid "Russia, Russia, Russia" myth? You will be much happier you stop believing MSNBC.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    PBUYT

    They should! The common ground for cooperation is indeed large. The only enmity towards Russia is from those in the Deep State who wants to resurrect a Yeltsin-like dependency in Russia’s leadership.

    But I wasn’t talking about how you view Russia, but Islam.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    If you were not raising your views about Russia... Why did you mention Russia?
    _____

    Any connection between Christian America and Muslim nations is tenuous (at best).

    -- Egypt was almost lost to the Terrorist Brotherhood.
    -- Turkey had theoretically become secular, but they are backsliding under Erdogan.
    -- Saudi and the U.S. exhibit only tactical cooperation. It is driven by the need to contain the violent theocracy of the Ayatollahs. There is no set of shared values underpinning this arrangement.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  64. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    PBUYT

    They should! The common ground for cooperation is indeed large. The only enmity towards Russia is from those in the Deep State who wants to resurrect a Yeltsin-like dependency in Russia's leadership.

    But I wasn't talking about how you view Russia, but Islam.

    Replies: @A123

    If you were not raising your views about Russia… Why did you mention Russia?
    _____

    Any connection between Christian America and Muslim nations is tenuous (at best).

    — Egypt was almost lost to the Terrorist Brotherhood.
    — Turkey had theoretically become secular, but they are backsliding under Erdogan.
    — Saudi and the U.S. exhibit only tactical cooperation. It is driven by the need to contain the violent theocracy of the Ayatollahs. There is no set of shared values underpinning this arrangement.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    PBUYT

    I think you have a very simplified worldview of how Britain & the US influenced & countered Middle Eastern powers:
    > Egypt had been a British protectorate mainly because of Suez, then ended up on the road to Arab Socialism against Israel, and after that became an US ally again after signing peace with Israel. Muslim Brotherhood doesn't change that status.
    > You are right about Turkey, but they were the US bulwark against the Soviets & still a NATO member. They do fund Islamist terrorists in Idleb, only to mess with Bashar Assad.
    > The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system. Saudi Arabia replaced the Iranian Shah who lost power after the Iranian Revolution, and all aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.

    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.

    Replies: @A123

  65. @Dan Hayes
    @Mr. Hack

    Nobody is irreplaceable - so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123

    Nobody is irreplaceable – so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    ROTFL — I am unique! And therefore irreplaceable.

    Who could possibly replace me?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Agree: German_reader
    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  66. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    If you were not raising your views about Russia... Why did you mention Russia?
    _____

    Any connection between Christian America and Muslim nations is tenuous (at best).

    -- Egypt was almost lost to the Terrorist Brotherhood.
    -- Turkey had theoretically become secular, but they are backsliding under Erdogan.
    -- Saudi and the U.S. exhibit only tactical cooperation. It is driven by the need to contain the violent theocracy of the Ayatollahs. There is no set of shared values underpinning this arrangement.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    PBUYT

    I think you have a very simplified worldview of how Britain & the US influenced & countered Middle Eastern powers:
    > Egypt had been a British protectorate mainly because of Suez, then ended up on the road to Arab Socialism against Israel, and after that became an US ally again after signing peace with Israel. Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t change that status.
    > You are right about Turkey, but they were the US bulwark against the Soviets & still a NATO member. They do fund Islamist terrorists in Idleb, only to mess with Bashar Assad.
    > The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system. Saudi Arabia replaced the Iranian Shah who lost power after the Iranian Revolution, and all aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.

    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.
     
    The last thing Christian Populism wants is rape-ugee waves. That is a unique characteristic of the anti-US, European WEF Globalism headquartered in Davos & led by Merkel for over a decade.

    The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system
     
    The U.S. became energy independent under Trump. Not-The-President Biden temporarily screwed that up, but it will be fixed soon after his occupation of the White House ends. The petrodollar concept is functionally dead.

    aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.
     
    40+ years of aggression by Iran is about creating a Shia Crescent designed to reduce Sunnis to 2nd class. And, of course, exterminate the maximum number of infidels.

    Blaming the Saudis is obviously wrong and laughably absurd. Defense against an incredibly violent nation headed by religious zealots is the minimum possible response.


    -- From #40 --
    ... next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.
     
    I am a Christian Populist. WEF European Globalist ideology is your belief system, obviously not mine

    You still haven't explained your prior ideation of European WEF Globalist aggression against Russia. Your views are especially puzzling, because their appears to be a WEF-Russia Anti-Christian alliance based on NS2. IMHO, Putin is serving his WEF mistress Merkel with the gift of energy. This actually undermines Russia's interests.

    Why are you a WEF Globalist?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  67. @Thulean Friend
    The Battle for Lake Chosin, a Chinese war film, is now the highest-grossing film of 2021.
    I've skimmed the film by viewing a pirated copy on Vimeo (since taken down). My impression is that even for propaganda purposes, it is poorly made. Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it's night and day.

    Thanks to an intense Hollywood campaign spanning many decades, most young Europeans would credit the US for the liberation of Europe rather than the USSR. Such is the power of the American propaganda machine. China, by contrast, has nothing. Even when its films are successful, that success is solely limited to domestic audiences, severely limiting its ability to project soft power abroad.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape. As a consequence, she was "disappeared". When questions were raised, Chinese Twitter accounts affiliated with state media put out obviously faked screenshots of what was supposed to be her mailed statements. Except they contained no timestamps, no addresses or any other details.

    Obviously the Western media cynically exploited this scandal but the Chinese reaction was a timely reminder that Chinese propaganda remains abysmal.

    If you look at Chinese cultural output more broadly, I see nothing akin to Japan's manga or Korea's K-pop. The only area where I can see some genuine achievements would be science fiction, but that is a very niche field and it plays to China's strengths (science/tech).

    Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don't have "Indian towns".

    Will any of this matter? If you think China has a shot at replacing the US, then it should give you pause. American ability to brainwash foreigners is an extremely underrated tool of its power projection. If you do not China has the capability to become the uncontested hegemon - and I do not, as my bet with AK proves - then this will merely serve as confirmation of your skepticism. Of course, propaganda is merely one tool of the arsenal of a superpower. Economic strength is the most important one, but even there I am doubtful that China will ever meaningfully surpass the US. That's another debate, however.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain, @Beckow, @Ron Unz, @songbird, @Erzberger, @showmethereal

    American ability to brainwash foreigners…

    And by brainwash you mean to lie? What else would it be? Let’s not escape into unnecessary complex terminology. It always takes two for a lie to exist: the lier and the willing receptor of the lie. So I am not particularly sympathetic to the foreigners who are the audience for the constant lying – they seem to prefer it that way.

    I actually agree with most of what you said, the missing part is that the world has never had a hegemon and China won’t be one either. The world is a big place with too many people, it is not open to central management. In the so-called unipolar era, US was not a hegemon, only a place with reserve currency and a dominant culture. The future will be very much the same: a number of different powers jostling for resources, influence, control of smaller places, cultural reach. If you see it that way, China will be about the same as US was in the 1992-2008 period. Don’t forget that China makes most of the stuff the world uses today.

  68. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    PBUYT

    I think you have a very simplified worldview of how Britain & the US influenced & countered Middle Eastern powers:
    > Egypt had been a British protectorate mainly because of Suez, then ended up on the road to Arab Socialism against Israel, and after that became an US ally again after signing peace with Israel. Muslim Brotherhood doesn't change that status.
    > You are right about Turkey, but they were the US bulwark against the Soviets & still a NATO member. They do fund Islamist terrorists in Idleb, only to mess with Bashar Assad.
    > The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system. Saudi Arabia replaced the Iranian Shah who lost power after the Iranian Revolution, and all aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.

    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.

    Replies: @A123

    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.

    The last thing Christian Populism wants is rape-ugee waves. That is a unique characteristic of the anti-US, European WEF Globalism headquartered in Davos & led by Merkel for over a decade.

    The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system

    The U.S. became energy independent under Trump. Not-The-President Biden temporarily screwed that up, but it will be fixed soon after his occupation of the White House ends. The petrodollar concept is functionally dead.

    aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.

    40+ years of aggression by Iran is about creating a Shia Crescent designed to reduce Sunnis to 2nd class. And, of course, exterminate the maximum number of infidels.

    Blaming the Saudis is obviously wrong and laughably absurd. Defense against an incredibly violent nation headed by religious zealots is the minimum possible response.

    — From #40 —
    … next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.

    I am a Christian Populist. WEF European Globalist ideology is your belief system, obviously not mine

    You still haven’t explained your prior ideation of European WEF Globalist aggression against Russia. Your views are especially puzzling, because their appears to be a WEF-Russia Anti-Christian alliance based on NS2. IMHO, Putin is serving his WEF mistress Merkel with the gift of energy. This actually undermines Russia’s interests.

    Why are you a WEF Globalist?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  69. @German_reader
    @songbird


    As to the charge of anti-Semitism
     
    Antisemitism is certainly a major theme on UR, perhaps even its main theme. I'd be lying if I claimed it bothered me that much, since imo there are at least some partial truths in the antisemitic material (Jewish nationalism and Jewish power are a real factor in the world, from my perspective frequently a negative one). However, when one reads the antisemitic authors on UR like Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Tobias Langdon, imo there's no denying that their arguments are ultimately pretty extreme, despite the seemingly academic format. They really do present Jews as a monolithically evil force throughout the ages (sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children). It's hard to see what their solution for the Jewish issue could be, if not an eliminationist one, and in the comment sections commenters like "neutral" (who once was active on AK's blog) are drawing exactly that conclusion. Of course those points apply even more to someone like the openly pro-Nazi Raches and his commenters. So imo calling much of UR antisemitic is just a factual description.
    However I agree with you that UR is unlikely to spur violence in the real world, it's probably still too cerebral for the sort of people who are inclined to commit mass shootings and the like.

    Replies: @songbird, @Ron Unz

    Langdon doesn’t seem to appear on the front page, anymore.

    Only just browsed Joyce’s “On Jews and Vampires.” Title is certainly provocative, but I don’t think the content is dehumanizing. Seems to be oppositional or reactionary. If I understand his closing premise correctly – that Jews secretly see themselves as the villains – I find it laughable.

    Have read only a tiny bit of KMac. I found his style, which seems to be quoting the political word salad of Jewish academicians, extremely tedious. It may have its purpose (such as showing affiliation and attitudes), but, IMO, it doesn’t make for good reading.

    [MORE]

    sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children)

    not really familiar with the literature here. I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside). But I’ll allow that some of the pedophiles may have been Jews and may have been lynched, as a result. As an American, I’m really sensitive to the fact that many blacks who were murderers and rapists have been venerated as victims, with monuments erected to them, when the weight of evidence is still sharply against them. (Not that there is enough evidence to review medieval crimes)

    Jewish child sacrifice is not a theory I favor, but I don’t know that it is really any more opprobrious than the blood libel that some Jews (including some of my personal acquaintances) have put on Euros. I don’t think that this blood libel matches up with the DNA evidence, which seems to show that the Ashkenazim in their millions are descended from a small settler population. No saying that there were never any massacres, but that was par for the course in medieval times, and they may have gotten less of it, rather than more. And anyway, I think that bringing it up now, and trying to make political hay of it, is really quite obnoxious, self-centered, and harmful. All of these same people would defend Indian raids or the Haitian Revolution.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @songbird


    I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside).
     
    MacDonald seems to believe there really were Jewish religious rituals with sacrifices of Christian children. His main reference is a controversial book by an Israeli scholar (Ariel Toaff) about obscure blood rituals among medieval Jews. I haven't looked into it, but it sounds rather far-fetched, and imo it looks like a sign for severe confirmation bias on MacDonald's part.
    I agree with the sentiment of the rest of your comment, and I find the official philosemitic discourse in Western societies (with all those normiecons doing their best to prove their philosemitic credentials, yet never getting anything in return) rather tiresome. Pretty questionable though imo if the content on UR is constructive in any way.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @EuroNat, @iffen

    , @A123
    @songbird

    If we just look at the right hand column the recent changes have been:

    -- Loss -- Audacious Epigone
    -- Loss -- Anatoly Karlin

    -- Added -- Raches
    -- Added -- Paul Kersey
    -- Added -- Jung Freud

    Both losses were core reasons why people visited this site. The also represented serious voices in discussions about HBD.

    Kersey is OK. While his posts have value, they are not deep on insight and subsequent discussion. Raches is a ghastly troll and the only author here that I have blocked. Jung is so new I will not draw a final judgement, but his first couple of offerings have not been engaging.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

  70. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry


    AnoninTN seemed to disappear
     
    And Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick), Reiner Tor, Thorffinsson, AP (?), Daniel Chieh, The Big Red Scary, Gerard. German_reader only recently started a flurry of comments, after being on a lengthy hiatus. Maybe folks are just taking some well deserved time off, or:

    https://youtu.be/Bsa9ymSDoJ0

    Seven little coffins have already been filled. Who'll be next? Wh0 will remain and who will disappear? :-)

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @sher singh, @Dmitry

    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick)

    It’s too bad your ethnocentricism, evinced by terming a Buryat a Slavic sidekick, is not applied to reproduction||

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sher singh

    What do you mean? The only reason that I termed the man a Buddhist/Buryat, and a "sidekick" was that my faulty memory couldn't remember his name. He was indeed a "Buddhist/Buryat" was he not? And as far as referring to him as Bashibuzuk's "sidekick", is that he so often showed up to the table after Bashibuzuk (or Anon4) made a comment. How about Buddhist/Buryat's sidekick "Bashibuzuk", now is that better? :-)

  71. @Pericles
    @songbird


    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

     

    One of their secret powers is they don't really care what you think of them. Cries of anti-semitism is just policing of goyim they don't like.

    Replies: @songbird

    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men – Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. “Do you really love me?” (asking for the 1000th time). If one were to pit it against the same mindset, there would be no surrender, just argument, which is maybe what they sometimes want. Recreational contention, for the pleasure of it.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men – Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.
     
    I do not know if "group psychology" holds up.

    However, you are certainly correct that there is no stigma attached to strong female leaders. Golda Meir springs immediately to mind. In a very real sense this makes Israeli Jews less prone to modern day feminism. Jewish woman do not need a hand up or a hand out. When they are the best they win, no special favours needed.

    When Jewish Palestine breaks free of the perpetual Muslim threat, this could be a flash point. The now much larger % population of Ultra Orthodox makes issues of female leadership more complex.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. “Do you really love me?” (asking for the 1000th time).
     
    I tend to doubt this. It is more a reaction (possibly over reaction) to the 1930-40 events. Collectively, Jews want to head off any repeat of that situation. They correctly realize that countering anti-Semitism as early as possibly is much easier than waiting for it to become a political force.

    Historically, this was quite successful. The only determined anti-Semitic groups were fringe White Nationalists [WN]. These extremists never obtained widespread traction.

    In modern times it has become much more troublesome. Migration limits inherent to Christian Populism provide an opportunity for WN's to gain inclusion in more mainstream parties. Even more threatening, the incorporation of Islam into the political left (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn) presents a growing risk from the other direction.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @songbird

  72. German_reader says:
    @songbird
    @German_reader

    Langdon doesn't seem to appear on the front page, anymore.

    Only just browsed Joyce's "On Jews and Vampires." Title is certainly provocative, but I don't think the content is dehumanizing. Seems to be oppositional or reactionary. If I understand his closing premise correctly - that Jews secretly see themselves as the villains - I find it laughable.

    Have read only a tiny bit of KMac. I found his style, which seems to be quoting the political word salad of Jewish academicians, extremely tedious. It may have its purpose (such as showing affiliation and attitudes), but, IMO, it doesn't make for good reading.


    sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children)
     
    not really familiar with the literature here. I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside). But I'll allow that some of the pedophiles may have been Jews and may have been lynched, as a result. As an American, I'm really sensitive to the fact that many blacks who were murderers and rapists have been venerated as victims, with monuments erected to them, when the weight of evidence is still sharply against them. (Not that there is enough evidence to review medieval crimes)

    Jewish child sacrifice is not a theory I favor, but I don't know that it is really any more opprobrious than the blood libel that some Jews (including some of my personal acquaintances) have put on Euros. I don't think that this blood libel matches up with the DNA evidence, which seems to show that the Ashkenazim in their millions are descended from a small settler population. No saying that there were never any massacres, but that was par for the course in medieval times, and they may have gotten less of it, rather than more. And anyway, I think that bringing it up now, and trying to make political hay of it, is really quite obnoxious, self-centered, and harmful. All of these same people would defend Indian raids or the Haitian Revolution.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside).

    MacDonald seems to believe there really were Jewish religious rituals with sacrifices of Christian children. His main reference is a controversial book by an Israeli scholar (Ariel Toaff) about obscure blood rituals among medieval Jews. I haven’t looked into it, but it sounds rather far-fetched, and imo it looks like a sign for severe confirmation bias on MacDonald’s part.
    I agree with the sentiment of the rest of your comment, and I find the official philosemitic discourse in Western societies (with all those normiecons doing their best to prove their philosemitic credentials, yet never getting anything in return) rather tiresome. Pretty questionable though imo if the content on UR is constructive in any way.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    You're a bit easy to troll, because you view internet very literally. Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia - nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be "Russian nationalists" for an English audience blog?

    For example, a wealthy Jewish businessman with certain interests, might pay for prostitutes to dress as Nazis. Rich people can afford to do this kind of thing https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28550035

    Also Jewish people who are outsiders in their community, might try to get attention from their own community, by publishing what are the specific taboos of their community (holocaust denial, etc).

    Notice this website is very similar to a left American Jewish website, just with the "and that is good", added after what they are obsessed with, and adjusted to be less intellectual and "upper class" - as the audience has to be "lower IQ" "rightoids."
    Notice how similar this website is, to that website - just add "and that is good" to this one, and "that is bad" to that one https://forward.com/tag/neo-nazis/
    -

    In America, they also use prisoners' labor, because it's very cheap. All the writers here are in a sense "outcasts", so do you think they are paid normal rates. This is also something which is almost irresistible, for people from business background who are used to "buy low". A project to hire all the outcasts is probably more fun and viable, than one to hire all the incasts (in the latter, it's unaffordable).

    -

    From judging actions, I appreciate Ron Unz seems to be a pretty good person. He is supporting our forum, even when we don't exactly confirm to the other forums in the site, and he is just paying to host us without advertisement. He also respects your privacy by blanking your archive. So judge from his actions, he hasn't been anything except good in his treatment to us specifically.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @EuroNat
    @German_reader


    His main reference is a controversial book by an Israeli scholar (Ariel Toaff) about obscure blood rituals among medieval Jews. I haven’t looked into it, but it sounds rather far-fetched, and imo it looks like a sign for severe confirmation bias on MacDonald’s part.
     
    Pathetic virtue signalling. If you havent looked into the work of the *Jewish* Israeli college professor - of European medieval history- Ariel Toaff, why would you give your obviously out of your *ss, ignorant opinion saying it sounds to you rather far fetched, ie his claims are untrue?

    Imagine someone criticising your immigration restrictionist posts as "racist" and "xenophobic" and' then saying, "well, I haven't really looked into German_reader's claims about what is going on in Germany with the refugees (fake acording to him) avalanche and the subsequent increase in crime and so on but IMO it all sounds rather far fetched..."

    Don't be that guy GR. Hear or read what the Jewish historian has to say. Check his sources. Check rebuttals. Then talk.

    Or just cut the virtue signalling, just don't mention it. Dont "stain" your online "reputation" and "soul" by talking, reading and even thinking about such taboo subjects. Ridiculous to me, but to each his own.

    Replies: @Ron Unz, @German_reader

    , @iffen
    @German_reader

    Pretty questionable though imo if the content on UR is constructive in any way.

    It can be (and was for me) a point of departure to read and explore the JQ. I suppose one could get that point of departure from the MSM, but I don't see how in that there are so few rational questions and discussions on the subject.

    I have also come to understand that I shouldn't leap to conclusions on the subject based on the particular language that a person uses. For example, in the past I might have surmised that your lament about lack of being constructive would be referring to the anti-Semitism here as being ineffective in the battle with the Jews.

  73. @German_reader
    @songbird


    I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside).
     
    MacDonald seems to believe there really were Jewish religious rituals with sacrifices of Christian children. His main reference is a controversial book by an Israeli scholar (Ariel Toaff) about obscure blood rituals among medieval Jews. I haven't looked into it, but it sounds rather far-fetched, and imo it looks like a sign for severe confirmation bias on MacDonald's part.
    I agree with the sentiment of the rest of your comment, and I find the official philosemitic discourse in Western societies (with all those normiecons doing their best to prove their philosemitic credentials, yet never getting anything in return) rather tiresome. Pretty questionable though imo if the content on UR is constructive in any way.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @EuroNat, @iffen

    You’re a bit easy to troll, because you view internet very literally. Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?

    For example, a wealthy Jewish businessman with certain interests, might pay for prostitutes to dress as Nazis. Rich people can afford to do this kind of thing https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28550035

    Also Jewish people who are outsiders in their community, might try to get attention from their own community, by publishing what are the specific taboos of their community (holocaust denial, etc).

    Notice this website is very similar to a left American Jewish website, just with the “and that is good”, added after what they are obsessed with, and adjusted to be less intellectual and “upper class” – as the audience has to be “lower IQ” “rightoids.”
    Notice how similar this website is, to that website – just add “and that is good” to this one, and “that is bad” to that one https://forward.com/tag/neo-nazis/

    In America, they also use prisoners’ labor, because it’s very cheap. All the writers here are in a sense “outcasts”, so do you think they are paid normal rates. This is also something which is almost irresistible, for people from business background who are used to “buy low”. A project to hire all the outcasts is probably more fun and viable, than one to hire all the incasts (in the latter, it’s unaffordable).

    From judging actions, I appreciate Ron Unz seems to be a pretty good person. He is supporting our forum, even when we don’t exactly confirm to the other forums in the site, and he is just paying to host us without advertisement. He also respects your privacy by blanking your archive. So judge from his actions, he hasn’t been anything except good in his treatment to us specifically.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?
     
    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don't you think?
    I don't really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I've written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Frank Miller, @Thulean Friend, @Ron Unz

  74. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader

    You're a bit easy to troll, because you view internet very literally. Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia - nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be "Russian nationalists" for an English audience blog?

    For example, a wealthy Jewish businessman with certain interests, might pay for prostitutes to dress as Nazis. Rich people can afford to do this kind of thing https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28550035

    Also Jewish people who are outsiders in their community, might try to get attention from their own community, by publishing what are the specific taboos of their community (holocaust denial, etc).

    Notice this website is very similar to a left American Jewish website, just with the "and that is good", added after what they are obsessed with, and adjusted to be less intellectual and "upper class" - as the audience has to be "lower IQ" "rightoids."
    Notice how similar this website is, to that website - just add "and that is good" to this one, and "that is bad" to that one https://forward.com/tag/neo-nazis/
    -

    In America, they also use prisoners' labor, because it's very cheap. All the writers here are in a sense "outcasts", so do you think they are paid normal rates. This is also something which is almost irresistible, for people from business background who are used to "buy low". A project to hire all the outcasts is probably more fun and viable, than one to hire all the incasts (in the latter, it's unaffordable).

    -

    From judging actions, I appreciate Ron Unz seems to be a pretty good person. He is supporting our forum, even when we don't exactly confirm to the other forums in the site, and he is just paying to host us without advertisement. He also respects your privacy by blanking your archive. So judge from his actions, he hasn't been anything except good in his treatment to us specifically.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?

    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don’t you think?
    I don’t really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I’ve written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don’t you think?
     
    Well I only know Karlin from the internet, and I like him a lot from this internet interaction. As far as bloggers are, nobody has behaved so nicely to me before (constant interesting interaction and discussion). We "vote with our feet" by being his most hardcore fans on his blog that doesn't exit here.

    But as for "Russian nationalists"?

    1. Being a "Russian nationalist", is not considered a positive in Russian society. It's kind of an insult, so it's not rude to be sceptical of Karlin's Russian nationalism.

    2. In slavic areas of Russia. For example, when I look at old children, school photos, in 1990s/early 2000s, Russia, in a small city. Photos are funny because everyone has "Northern European" appearance. This is a uniform Northern European appearance. So nobody was "Russian nationalist", but if there was Russian nationalists, and Karlin was there - he would be the target.

    So yes, he is trolling a bit. That's what the internet is for. Some of his posts are directly reacting to what the audience here says, like Bashibuzuk specifically.

    I think he was trying to troll me a couple times. He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.

    He is an internet professional, who works on the internet for years. and obviously intelligent in knowing how to get the "viral" reaction he wants in the internet sphere (just as he would probably not be successful in my profession, or your profession, where we develop our own different behaviours).


    Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact
     
    It's clearly a hobby, rather than something he needs to get clicks from, or advertising revenue. What these reasons for the hobby can be, are not for us to judge. But there is a reason "millionaire" and "eccentric" are matching words for journalists. ( https://www.businessinsider.com/weird-things-millionaires-billionaires-buy-spending-habits-2020-8 ) It's not that rich people are necessarily more eccentric (maybe all of us have desires people consider strange), but the rich people have less need to suppress these things, and can follow their idiosyncratic desires.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Frank Miller
    @German_reader


    But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.
     
    If Ron Unz craved this kind of success, it's fairly clear he wouldn't make the choices he has.
    , @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?
     
    Karlin is referred to as 'Jewish-Russian' in Heiner Rindermann's 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had "exposed" him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I've noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive - almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified "Russian nationalists".

    For me, it doesn't make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK's rants against "wignats", I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard's politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Mikel

    , @Ron Unz
    @German_reader


    I’ve written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history).
     
    Thanks for the very kind words, which I greatly appreciate.

    But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.
     
    You certainly may be correct, but I think the trade-offs are more complex than that.

    Obviously, the content promoted by this website is extremely unlikely to have the sort of incremental or marginal impact on the public debate that is the intended goal of virtually all existing opinion journalism. As a consequence, the likely impact is close to zero.

    However, I do believe that there is a small but non-trivial possibility that it may at some point have an enormous impact on the public debate. For example, taken together the elements of my quite explosive American Pravda series have accumulated several million pageviews, and there's no way of knowing exactly who has been reading those articles or what impact they may have had:

    https://www.unz.com/ebook/our-american-pravda-series-ebook/

    Given that this series constitutes a comprehensive counter-narrative to the established history of the last one hundred years, if even just two or three of the individual items were absorbed and assimilated, the impact would be enormous.

    So one media strategy may be seeking a 20% chance of changing the debate by 0.1%, while another strategy may be seeking a 0.1% chance of changing the debate by 20%.
  75. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry


    AnoninTN seemed to disappear
     
    And Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick), Reiner Tor, Thorffinsson, AP (?), Daniel Chieh, The Big Red Scary, Gerard. German_reader only recently started a flurry of comments, after being on a lengthy hiatus. Maybe folks are just taking some well deserved time off, or:

    https://youtu.be/Bsa9ymSDoJ0

    Seven little coffins have already been filled. Who'll be next? Wh0 will remain and who will disappear? :-)

    Replies: @Dan Hayes, @sher singh, @Dmitry

    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick),

    They were both very good and interesting writers.

    I guess the real justification for Bashibuzuk exiting, is his wife found he was posting here every 10 minutes, and she was calling him an idiot.

    At first he acted like he was a noble dissident, exiting from us, because he was worried that Karlin was going to donate his information implausibly to Russian intelligence services. But then he returned when Karlin brilliantly trolled him with “Putin is a Russian nationalist” posting, and started to write even more specific biographical information (about his life in 1990s Paris etc).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    You've got quite the imagination (I like it). But in this case, I think that he'll see right through your ruse and not be moved to do anything, although I hope it works. Anything to get him back. It's too bad that Karlin and him butted heads, for it wouldn't do to get Karlin to write another "Putin is a Russian Nationalist" piece, I don't think. :-)

    Hey Bashibuzuk, c'mon back and humor us, and let us know that it's actually you who still wears the pants in your family!

    Replies: @Dmitry

  76. @songbird
    @Pericles

    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men - Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. "Do you really love me?" (asking for the 1000th time). If one were to pit it against the same mindset, there would be no surrender, just argument, which is maybe what they sometimes want. Recreational contention, for the pleasure of it.

    Replies: @A123

    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men – Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.

    I do not know if “group psychology” holds up.

    However, you are certainly correct that there is no stigma attached to strong female leaders. Golda Meir springs immediately to mind. In a very real sense this makes Israeli Jews less prone to modern day feminism. Jewish woman do not need a hand up or a hand out. When they are the best they win, no special favours needed.

    When Jewish Palestine breaks free of the perpetual Muslim threat, this could be a flash point. The now much larger % population of Ultra Orthodox makes issues of female leadership more complex.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. “Do you really love me?” (asking for the 1000th time).

    I tend to doubt this. It is more a reaction (possibly over reaction) to the 1930-40 events. Collectively, Jews want to head off any repeat of that situation. They correctly realize that countering anti-Semitism as early as possibly is much easier than waiting for it to become a political force.

    Historically, this was quite successful. The only determined anti-Semitic groups were fringe White Nationalists [WN]. These extremists never obtained widespread traction.

    In modern times it has become much more troublesome. Migration limits inherent to Christian Populism provide an opportunity for WN’s to gain inclusion in more mainstream parties. Even more threatening, the incorporation of Islam into the political left (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn) presents a growing risk from the other direction.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    First three countries with female prime ministers:

    Sri Lanka 1960
    India 1966
    Israel 1969 (maybe, delayed because of war heroes?)

    Make of it what you will.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/06/politics/women-world-leaders/

  77. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?
     
    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don't you think?
    I don't really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I've written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Frank Miller, @Thulean Friend, @Ron Unz

    Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don’t you think?

    Well I only know Karlin from the internet, and I like him a lot from this internet interaction. As far as bloggers are, nobody has behaved so nicely to me before (constant interesting interaction and discussion). We “vote with our feet” by being his most hardcore fans on his blog that doesn’t exit here.

    But as for “Russian nationalists”?

    1. Being a “Russian nationalist”, is not considered a positive in Russian society. It’s kind of an insult, so it’s not rude to be sceptical of Karlin’s Russian nationalism.

    2. In slavic areas of Russia. For example, when I look at old children, school photos, in 1990s/early 2000s, Russia, in a small city. Photos are funny because everyone has “Northern European” appearance. This is a uniform Northern European appearance. So nobody was “Russian nationalist”, but if there was Russian nationalists, and Karlin was there – he would be the target.

    So yes, he is trolling a bit. That’s what the internet is for. Some of his posts are directly reacting to what the audience here says, like Bashibuzuk specifically.

    I think he was trying to troll me a couple times. He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.

    He is an internet professional, who works on the internet for years. and obviously intelligent in knowing how to get the “viral” reaction he wants in the internet sphere (just as he would probably not be successful in my profession, or your profession, where we develop our own different behaviours).

    Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact

    It’s clearly a hobby, rather than something he needs to get clicks from, or advertising revenue. What these reasons for the hobby can be, are not for us to judge. But there is a reason “millionaire” and “eccentric” are matching words for journalists. ( https://www.businessinsider.com/weird-things-millionaires-billionaires-buy-spending-habits-2020-8 ) It’s not that rich people are necessarily more eccentric (maybe all of us have desires people consider strange), but the rich people have less need to suppress these things, and can follow their idiosyncratic desires.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.
     
    I don't know, maybe AK exaggerated a bit for effect, but I got the impression his stated views in that regard were quite sincere. And it's not unheard of that people with somewhat untypical origins or experiences become especially vehement nationalists (iirc AK attributed his nationalism not least to his experience of growing up as an immigrant in England), in a quest for belonging and identity.
    Don't know if I'm easily trollable. But I tend to take what people write here about their views at face value, because my own views are fairly constant and I'm open about them here like nowhere else, so I assume (maybe naively) others are similar.

    It’s clearly a hobby
     
    I think Ron Unz does hope to influence public debate with this site, and maybe that wasn't even totally unrealistic a few years ago. iirc some of Ron Unz's articles, like the one about university admissions and meritocracy, were definitely noticed by somewhat prominent journalists and other mainstream figures, and the reception wasn't all that hostile, more like "Controversial, but interesting, maybe true at least in part". But I think it's safe to say that the chances for influencing the mainstream have been much reduced since UR has embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2 "revisionism". That's just seen as totally toxic by almost everybody outside a tiny political fringe, and I don't think this is going to change any time soon.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  78. @songbird
    @German_reader

    Langdon doesn't seem to appear on the front page, anymore.

    Only just browsed Joyce's "On Jews and Vampires." Title is certainly provocative, but I don't think the content is dehumanizing. Seems to be oppositional or reactionary. If I understand his closing premise correctly - that Jews secretly see themselves as the villains - I find it laughable.

    Have read only a tiny bit of KMac. I found his style, which seems to be quoting the political word salad of Jewish academicians, extremely tedious. It may have its purpose (such as showing affiliation and attitudes), but, IMO, it doesn't make for good reading.


    sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children)
     
    not really familiar with the literature here. I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside). But I'll allow that some of the pedophiles may have been Jews and may have been lynched, as a result. As an American, I'm really sensitive to the fact that many blacks who were murderers and rapists have been venerated as victims, with monuments erected to them, when the weight of evidence is still sharply against them. (Not that there is enough evidence to review medieval crimes)

    Jewish child sacrifice is not a theory I favor, but I don't know that it is really any more opprobrious than the blood libel that some Jews (including some of my personal acquaintances) have put on Euros. I don't think that this blood libel matches up with the DNA evidence, which seems to show that the Ashkenazim in their millions are descended from a small settler population. No saying that there were never any massacres, but that was par for the course in medieval times, and they may have gotten less of it, rather than more. And anyway, I think that bringing it up now, and trying to make political hay of it, is really quite obnoxious, self-centered, and harmful. All of these same people would defend Indian raids or the Haitian Revolution.

    Replies: @German_reader, @A123

    If we just look at the right hand column the recent changes have been:

    — Loss — Audacious Epigone
    — Loss — Anatoly Karlin

    — Added — Raches
    — Added — Paul Kersey
    — Added — Jung Freud

    Both losses were core reasons why people visited this site. The also represented serious voices in discussions about HBD.

    Kersey is OK. While his posts have value, they are not deep on insight and subsequent discussion. Raches is a ghastly troll and the only author here that I have blocked. Jung is so new I will not draw a final judgement, but his first couple of offerings have not been engaging.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    I quite liked AE, but he probably suffered from burnout. IMO, there is only so much that you can massage out of existing surveys. The questions tend to be limited and some of the more interesting ones verboten, or buried. Not to mention that many of the ethnic categories are severely limited and nonsensical. Too bad he didn't have a billionaire sponsor who liked bankrolling new surveys and studies. Or wasn't put in charge of the US census. I think he feared repeating himself too much.

    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don't know if others would enjoy that.


    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.
     
    It must be hard to find people who can output quality content semi-regularly, and who do not fear social consequences.

    For my part, I wish that there was more content from nationalists on here. A new Mishima for Japan, China, and Korea. As well, as more for European countries. But that may be somewhat utopian. Many seem to stick to video platforms, and there may be language barriers, and they may not see the value of putting everything into English.

    I would almost suggest trying to recruit some people from Twitter here. I can think of a few interesting characters, like Whyvert. But, if they wanted to blog, wouldn't they already be doing it? Probably the increased time commitment makes it unattractive.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Heartily agree.
    I really used to enjoy Linh Dinh as well for something different, but he's gotten completely on the Covid tangent.

    Replies: @iffen

  79. Germany Urges Congress Not To Sanction Nord Stream 2
    By ZeroHedge – Nov 29, 2021, 2:00 PM CST
    Germany is warning U.S. Congressional members that sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline could damage Washington’s credibility and transatlantic relations.
    The White House has consistently argued that its anti-NS2 stance is based on the fear that Putin is using the pipeline as a punitive action and weapon.
    The controversial pipeline is back in the spotlight as Europe is facing an unprecedented natural gas shortage.

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Germany-Urges-Congress-Not-To-Sanction-Nord-Stream-2.html

    I think, Germans should first agree with themselves. While Bavarian industrialists demand the Russian gas, the greens oppose.

  80. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don’t you think?
     
    Well I only know Karlin from the internet, and I like him a lot from this internet interaction. As far as bloggers are, nobody has behaved so nicely to me before (constant interesting interaction and discussion). We "vote with our feet" by being his most hardcore fans on his blog that doesn't exit here.

    But as for "Russian nationalists"?

    1. Being a "Russian nationalist", is not considered a positive in Russian society. It's kind of an insult, so it's not rude to be sceptical of Karlin's Russian nationalism.

    2. In slavic areas of Russia. For example, when I look at old children, school photos, in 1990s/early 2000s, Russia, in a small city. Photos are funny because everyone has "Northern European" appearance. This is a uniform Northern European appearance. So nobody was "Russian nationalist", but if there was Russian nationalists, and Karlin was there - he would be the target.

    So yes, he is trolling a bit. That's what the internet is for. Some of his posts are directly reacting to what the audience here says, like Bashibuzuk specifically.

    I think he was trying to troll me a couple times. He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.

    He is an internet professional, who works on the internet for years. and obviously intelligent in knowing how to get the "viral" reaction he wants in the internet sphere (just as he would probably not be successful in my profession, or your profession, where we develop our own different behaviours).


    Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact
     
    It's clearly a hobby, rather than something he needs to get clicks from, or advertising revenue. What these reasons for the hobby can be, are not for us to judge. But there is a reason "millionaire" and "eccentric" are matching words for journalists. ( https://www.businessinsider.com/weird-things-millionaires-billionaires-buy-spending-habits-2020-8 ) It's not that rich people are necessarily more eccentric (maybe all of us have desires people consider strange), but the rich people have less need to suppress these things, and can follow their idiosyncratic desires.

    Replies: @German_reader

    He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.

    I don’t know, maybe AK exaggerated a bit for effect, but I got the impression his stated views in that regard were quite sincere. And it’s not unheard of that people with somewhat untypical origins or experiences become especially vehement nationalists (iirc AK attributed his nationalism not least to his experience of growing up as an immigrant in England), in a quest for belonging and identity.
    Don’t know if I’m easily trollable. But I tend to take what people write here about their views at face value, because my own views are fairly constant and I’m open about them here like nowhere else, so I assume (maybe naively) others are similar.

    It’s clearly a hobby

    I think Ron Unz does hope to influence public debate with this site, and maybe that wasn’t even totally unrealistic a few years ago. iirc some of Ron Unz’s articles, like the one about university admissions and meritocracy, were definitely noticed by somewhat prominent journalists and other mainstream figures, and the reception wasn’t all that hostile, more like “Controversial, but interesting, maybe true at least in part”. But I think it’s safe to say that the chances for influencing the mainstream have been much reduced since UR has embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2 “revisionism”. That’s just seen as totally toxic by almost everybody outside a tiny political fringe, and I don’t think this is going to change any time soon.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2

     

    It doesn't make you happy, but you (and I) are not paying for this. We are just free-riders who don't even contribute advertizing revenue.

    This is a personally created website, of a wealthy (Jewish American) businessman. If a website makes him happy, it is successful. If it doesn't make him happy, it is unsuccessful.

    Maybe you prefer he doesn't write holocaust denial, but obviously - he is paying for the website, because the website is what he wants.

    Perhaps you would prefer with such money to buy a Lamborghini. Perhaps someone else likes chocolate ice-cream sprinkled with caviar. If it's what they want, then they will buy it. After all, their money, their choice.


    AK exaggerated a bit for effect,

     

    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    It is a beautiful work of art, if read in the context of Karlin's blog. I almost want to donate money to Karlin to pay for this artwork. On the other hand, you could be a little confused if you read from a literalist angle.


    somewhat untypical origins

     

    Because of the specific history in Russia (where is Russia is an imperialist occupying power), the nationalism became more like "white nationalism" or "white separatism" within Unionist America. Russian nationalism in the postsoviet time relates to a racial identity. So for Caucasian people as Russian nationalists, is like the joke about "Black Klansmen" in America, as Caucasian immigrants are one of the main hatred of Russian nationalists.

    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists, as we understood this term in local context (before the FSB has a crushed them in the last more than decade).

    Before they were crushed by Putin, violent nationalists specifically try to beat Caucasian origin people.

    Violent nationalists in Russia in 2000s, used to flood the internet with videos of beating and killing people. People of my generation, who had access to internet in the 2000s, have post-traumatic stress from watching videos of nationalists beating and killing immigrants.

    If you say "nationalists" in Russia, this who most people refer to - at least until recently. This is why in 2014 in Ukraine, in Russian media, they could generate a lot of disgust in Russia, by talking about the extreme nationalists that were controlling power in Ukraine.

    The violent videos of 2000s Russian internet, was later censored from the (and FSB crushed the nationalists were all imprisoned), so it's possible that younger people in Russia do not have the same association.

    There seems more recently astroturf project to rebuild the unacceptable "nationalism", as the acceptable "imperialism". This thing loses its amusement, if you explain it.

    Karlin seems actually open and honest in my opinion. But clearly has a Dada professional ethic on this topic. In another life, he would become a "concept artist". As it can be, he should convert Bashibuzuk's reactions to his Putin nationalist article to NFT tokens, and sold them to the art market.


    wn views are fairly constant and I’m open about them here

     

    Yes me too. But we are consumers of content from the internet, rather than producers.

    Imagine working as a producer of content for the internet. You would need to design a "brand", develop an audience,find ways to make people pay you. etc.

    For example, to make people donate money for your blog, I believe you would have to find very strong and unusual views.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one. Everything we write is too boring, cynical, conventional and not exciting.

    I'm sure we both have interesting views in non-political areas. But our political views are too conventional, boring, cynical and unoriginal, that anyone would donate money for them.


    AK attributed his nationalism
     
    The views are imperialist rather than nationalist.

    In some countries (perhaps Germany), the nationalism and the imperialism can match together, but in Russia it's a occupying imperialist country, and it goes in the opposite direction. If you are really serious about nationalism, you want to maximally separate your nationality from the neighbors, etc, not to extend power over an empire.

    This also the noble part of nationalism within an imperialist country, is when you say "we don't want empire, we want to live freely as a separate and modest nationality".

    Karlin was also saying something like promoting the Russian Orthodox Church building and the imperialist symbols, was "nationalist". But Russian Orthodox Church promotes immigration, and the Russian Empire's conquests had pulled difficult nationalities into the country.

    Also Karlin is fan of Putin, who is the most open-border leader in Russian history, and wants to pull Uzbekistan into the open border zone (Uzbekistan tries to resist every year). But Putin is quite imperialist.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Karlin's views, or with support for Putin. There is also a reason why the word "imperialism" is like an insult in Russian - because of Lenin. Since Lenin, there is no positive word for imperialism, so the Russian imperialists are not exactly able to label their views.

    Replies: @German_reader

  81. @A123
    @songbird

    If we just look at the right hand column the recent changes have been:

    -- Loss -- Audacious Epigone
    -- Loss -- Anatoly Karlin

    -- Added -- Raches
    -- Added -- Paul Kersey
    -- Added -- Jung Freud

    Both losses were core reasons why people visited this site. The also represented serious voices in discussions about HBD.

    Kersey is OK. While his posts have value, they are not deep on insight and subsequent discussion. Raches is a ghastly troll and the only author here that I have blocked. Jung is so new I will not draw a final judgement, but his first couple of offerings have not been engaging.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    I quite liked AE, but he probably suffered from burnout. IMO, there is only so much that you can massage out of existing surveys. The questions tend to be limited and some of the more interesting ones verboten, or buried. Not to mention that many of the ethnic categories are severely limited and nonsensical. Too bad he didn’t have a billionaire sponsor who liked bankrolling new surveys and studies. Or wasn’t put in charge of the US census. I think he feared repeating himself too much.

    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don’t know if others would enjoy that.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    It must be hard to find people who can output quality content semi-regularly, and who do not fear social consequences.

    For my part, I wish that there was more content from nationalists on here. A new Mishima for Japan, China, and Korea. As well, as more for European countries. But that may be somewhat utopian. Many seem to stick to video platforms, and there may be language barriers, and they may not see the value of putting everything into English.

    I would almost suggest trying to recruit some people from Twitter here. I can think of a few interesting characters, like Whyvert. But, if they wanted to blog, wouldn’t they already be doing it? Probably the increased time commitment makes it unattractive.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @songbird


    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don’t know if others would enjoy that.
     
    I would enjoy that.
  82. @A123
    @songbird


    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men – Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.
     
    I do not know if "group psychology" holds up.

    However, you are certainly correct that there is no stigma attached to strong female leaders. Golda Meir springs immediately to mind. In a very real sense this makes Israeli Jews less prone to modern day feminism. Jewish woman do not need a hand up or a hand out. When they are the best they win, no special favours needed.

    When Jewish Palestine breaks free of the perpetual Muslim threat, this could be a flash point. The now much larger % population of Ultra Orthodox makes issues of female leadership more complex.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. “Do you really love me?” (asking for the 1000th time).
     
    I tend to doubt this. It is more a reaction (possibly over reaction) to the 1930-40 events. Collectively, Jews want to head off any repeat of that situation. They correctly realize that countering anti-Semitism as early as possibly is much easier than waiting for it to become a political force.

    Historically, this was quite successful. The only determined anti-Semitic groups were fringe White Nationalists [WN]. These extremists never obtained widespread traction.

    In modern times it has become much more troublesome. Migration limits inherent to Christian Populism provide an opportunity for WN's to gain inclusion in more mainstream parties. Even more threatening, the incorporation of Islam into the political left (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn) presents a growing risk from the other direction.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    First three countries with female prime ministers:

    Sri Lanka 1960
    India 1966
    Israel 1969 (maybe, delayed because of war heroes?)

    Make of it what you will.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/06/politics/women-world-leaders/

    • Thanks: A123
  83. @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack


    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick)
     
    It's too bad your ethnocentricism, evinced by terming a Buryat a Slavic sidekick, is not applied to reproduction||

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    What do you mean? The only reason that I termed the man a Buddhist/Buryat, and a “sidekick” was that my faulty memory couldn’t remember his name. He was indeed a “Buddhist/Buryat” was he not? And as far as referring to him as Bashibuzuk’s “sidekick”, is that he so often showed up to the table after Bashibuzuk (or Anon4) made a comment. How about Buddhist/Buryat’s sidekick “Bashibuzuk”, now is that better? 🙂

    • LOL: sher singh
  84. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack


    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick),
     
    They were both very good and interesting writers.

    I guess the real justification for Bashibuzuk exiting, is his wife found he was posting here every 10 minutes, and she was calling him an idiot.

    At first he acted like he was a noble dissident, exiting from us, because he was worried that Karlin was going to donate his information implausibly to Russian intelligence services. But then he returned when Karlin brilliantly trolled him with "Putin is a Russian nationalist" posting, and started to write even more specific biographical information (about his life in 1990s Paris etc).

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You’ve got quite the imagination (I like it). But in this case, I think that he’ll see right through your ruse and not be moved to do anything, although I hope it works. Anything to get him back. It’s too bad that Karlin and him butted heads, for it wouldn’t do to get Karlin to write another “Putin is a Russian Nationalist” piece, I don’t think. 🙂

    Hey Bashibuzuk, c’mon back and humor us, and let us know that it’s actually you who still wears the pants in your family!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack


    wouldn’t do to get Karlin to write another “Putin is a Russian Nationalist” piece
     
    It was beautiful writing by Karlin.

    I also feel guilty for spamming that thread with my boring offtopic nonsense posts. As it dilutes some of the artistic beauty in the comments like https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/#comment-4928901

    https://i.imgur.com/gWyPAmb.jpg


    Bashibuzuk, c’mon back and humor us,
     
    Well from the trolled Bashibuzuk's returning experience, at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called "Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist".

    Replies: @German_reader

  85. Slavic Brotherhood in action!

    Polish, Ukrainians, and Russians may not like each very much, but when it comes to doing what they do best – shaking down Germans for free money – the unity is truly inspiring.

    Gazprom reports record quarter on surging gas prices, sees bumper times ahead

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-swings-q3-net-profit-year-ago-loss-2021-11-29/

    As I mentioned before, only a fool would think that higher gas prices would hurt Russia, and with all the fuss over Nord Stream 2, gas prices have skyrocketed.

    It is truly a thing of beauty – Polish sued Gazprom to switch to spot prices, and then Ukrainians got Americans to turn off supply to Europe. And the results are in:

    Gazprom has posted the best quarterly profit ever, with vastly higher profits yet to come. For just the past 9 months they got something like \$20 billion extra, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they pick up additional \$10 billion this year before the winter is over. That’s enough to pay for a couple of Nord Stream 2’s and still have plenty of money left. And that’s just Gazprom.

    Thank you Poland and Ukraine, Russia couldn’t have done this without you. I hope you will lobby to scare the markets some more and drive Gazprom profits to \$100 billion/year.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @Aedib
    @mal

    Extraordinary gas prices are used by Gazprom to build reserves to finance Power of Siberia II (aka Trans-Mongolian pipeline).

    https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-says-it-will-use-windfall-gas-crisis-cash-to-up-boost-capex-228320/?source=russia

    Once this pipeline is finished, the European market becomes a secondary one for Gazprom. This is the main reason why Russians are currently not in hurry to speed up NS2 opening. The extraordinary prices are helping them to sack the dependency of Gazprom on the European market.

  86. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    in Belarus, stasis
     
    Yes this atmosphere is also in Russia and I guess most of the postsoviet sphere outside of Baltic states. It's because you are thrown (to be ironic of Trotsky) on the "trash heap of history", and the statis is from the "golden age" of the 1970s and early 1980s. I was born in the early 1990s, but in much of the material culture of my schools it was like we were still living in 1970s. Also when I was young, we were in a small city, where most of our buildings of the 1960s/1970s.

    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.

    John Betjeman classic called ‘A Passion for Churches’ about church architecture in Norfolk.. kind of English life and culture.
     
    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century - some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.

    I haven't been to Richmond yet, but here it looks like an idealized view of the 19th century still in the 1975 year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoR1f260TUo.


    watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.
     
    And really relaxing as well. This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today. That is not say about, the high talent level of the singers.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.

    It sounds like it could be at least part of it. I am fairly certain the places where I grew up and went to school had a kind of formative influence, even though I was not aware of it at the time.

    Possibly there is some kind of shared ‘Northern European industrial city’ pattern where the cities rise up from small or non-existent beginnings in the 19th-early 20th century due to the development of heavy and extractive industries, draw in peasants from a wide geographic area, then through the 20th C. the life of the cities continues to revolve around all the works and plants. The 1980s marks the beginning of the end for this kind of society, the plants close, there is mass unemployment, decline of culture, rising crime, drug use and so on.

    In the Soviet Union, because the whole economy and political system was structured around this it happened in a mega society wide way.

    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century – some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.

    I find these places have a grand and imperial feel, I grew up around a lot of late 19th and early 20th century architecture, but it was mostly modest and provincial (apart from some of the council and union buildings, some mansions). The richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable, or as you mention in those other places that date back further, where you can see evidence of more wealth and a more developed culture stretching back into the 17th and 18th centuries.

    This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today.

    On UK TV the change seems to have started in the 1980s but by the late 90s was very well underway, it is very stark when you look back now.

    • Agree: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable

     

    This late 19th century, is some of the most beautiful, imperialist architecture in the world.

    Especially it seems places with "Queen Victoria" or "Prince Albert" in its name, has such a monumentalist, transcontinental power.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv_gsGLl404

    Personally, I am not going to say anything kind for imperialist policies, but if you are going to have to build imperialist architecture, the British imperialist architecture is the one I would choose.

    Although less impressive from the perspective of local development, is the British Empire, was using its money building a lot of this in places where they would later "donate" it to future independent states (like such impressive "Victoria" buildings in India, Australia, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dIinJ2BX0. ).

  87. What to make of this Times of India story that seems to imply that Euros have massive superbrains?

    Vaguely suspect that it is high-caste Indians trolling low-caste Indians. Or maybe it is a mistake but seems reasonable to Indians, who think of the way that England once dominated the world.

  88. @mal
    Slavic Brotherhood in action!

    Polish, Ukrainians, and Russians may not like each very much, but when it comes to doing what they do best - shaking down Germans for free money - the unity is truly inspiring.

    Gazprom reports record quarter on surging gas prices, sees bumper times ahead
     
    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-swings-q3-net-profit-year-ago-loss-2021-11-29/

    As I mentioned before, only a fool would think that higher gas prices would hurt Russia, and with all the fuss over Nord Stream 2, gas prices have skyrocketed.

    It is truly a thing of beauty - Polish sued Gazprom to switch to spot prices, and then Ukrainians got Americans to turn off supply to Europe. And the results are in:

    Gazprom has posted the best quarterly profit ever, with vastly higher profits yet to come. For just the past 9 months they got something like $20 billion extra, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pick up additional $10 billion this year before the winter is over. That's enough to pay for a couple of Nord Stream 2's and still have plenty of money left. And that's just Gazprom.

    Thank you Poland and Ukraine, Russia couldn't have done this without you. I hope you will lobby to scare the markets some more and drive Gazprom profits to $100 billion/year.

    Replies: @Aedib

    Extraordinary gas prices are used by Gazprom to build reserves to finance Power of Siberia II (aka Trans-Mongolian pipeline).

    https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-says-it-will-use-windfall-gas-crisis-cash-to-up-boost-capex-228320/?source=russia

    Once this pipeline is finished, the European market becomes a secondary one for Gazprom. This is the main reason why Russians are currently not in hurry to speed up NS2 opening. The extraordinary prices are helping them to sack the dependency of Gazprom on the European market.

    • Agree: mal
  89. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.
     
    I don't know, maybe AK exaggerated a bit for effect, but I got the impression his stated views in that regard were quite sincere. And it's not unheard of that people with somewhat untypical origins or experiences become especially vehement nationalists (iirc AK attributed his nationalism not least to his experience of growing up as an immigrant in England), in a quest for belonging and identity.
    Don't know if I'm easily trollable. But I tend to take what people write here about their views at face value, because my own views are fairly constant and I'm open about them here like nowhere else, so I assume (maybe naively) others are similar.

    It’s clearly a hobby
     
    I think Ron Unz does hope to influence public debate with this site, and maybe that wasn't even totally unrealistic a few years ago. iirc some of Ron Unz's articles, like the one about university admissions and meritocracy, were definitely noticed by somewhat prominent journalists and other mainstream figures, and the reception wasn't all that hostile, more like "Controversial, but interesting, maybe true at least in part". But I think it's safe to say that the chances for influencing the mainstream have been much reduced since UR has embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2 "revisionism". That's just seen as totally toxic by almost everybody outside a tiny political fringe, and I don't think this is going to change any time soon.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2

    It doesn’t make you happy, but you (and I) are not paying for this. We are just free-riders who don’t even contribute advertizing revenue.

    This is a personally created website, of a wealthy (Jewish American) businessman. If a website makes him happy, it is successful. If it doesn’t make him happy, it is unsuccessful.

    Maybe you prefer he doesn’t write holocaust denial, but obviously – he is paying for the website, because the website is what he wants.

    Perhaps you would prefer with such money to buy a Lamborghini. Perhaps someone else likes chocolate ice-cream sprinkled with caviar. If it’s what they want, then they will buy it. After all, their money, their choice.

    AK exaggerated a bit for effect,

    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    It is a beautiful work of art, if read in the context of Karlin’s blog. I almost want to donate money to Karlin to pay for this artwork. On the other hand, you could be a little confused if you read from a literalist angle.

    somewhat untypical origins

    Because of the specific history in Russia (where is Russia is an imperialist occupying power), the nationalism became more like “white nationalism” or “white separatism” within Unionist America. Russian nationalism in the postsoviet time relates to a racial identity. So for Caucasian people as Russian nationalists, is like the joke about “Black Klansmen” in America, as Caucasian immigrants are one of the main hatred of Russian nationalists.

    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists, as we understood this term in local context (before the FSB has a crushed them in the last more than decade).

    Before they were crushed by Putin, violent nationalists specifically try to beat Caucasian origin people.

    Violent nationalists in Russia in 2000s, used to flood the internet with videos of beating and killing people. People of my generation, who had access to internet in the 2000s, have post-traumatic stress from watching videos of nationalists beating and killing immigrants.

    If you say “nationalists” in Russia, this who most people refer to – at least until recently. This is why in 2014 in Ukraine, in Russian media, they could generate a lot of disgust in Russia, by talking about the extreme nationalists that were controlling power in Ukraine.

    The violent videos of 2000s Russian internet, was later censored from the (and FSB crushed the nationalists were all imprisoned), so it’s possible that younger people in Russia do not have the same association.

    There seems more recently astroturf project to rebuild the unacceptable “nationalism”, as the acceptable “imperialism”. This thing loses its amusement, if you explain it.

    Karlin seems actually open and honest in my opinion. But clearly has a Dada professional ethic on this topic. In another life, he would become a “concept artist”. As it can be, he should convert Bashibuzuk’s reactions to his Putin nationalist article to NFT tokens, and sold them to the art market.

    wn views are fairly constant and I’m open about them here

    Yes me too. But we are consumers of content from the internet, rather than producers.

    Imagine working as a producer of content for the internet. You would need to design a “brand”, develop an audience,find ways to make people pay you. etc.

    For example, to make people donate money for your blog, I believe you would have to find very strong and unusual views.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one. Everything we write is too boring, cynical, conventional and not exciting.

    I’m sure we both have interesting views in non-political areas. But our political views are too conventional, boring, cynical and unoriginal, that anyone would donate money for them.

    AK attributed his nationalism

    The views are imperialist rather than nationalist.

    In some countries (perhaps Germany), the nationalism and the imperialism can match together, but in Russia it’s a occupying imperialist country, and it goes in the opposite direction. If you are really serious about nationalism, you want to maximally separate your nationality from the neighbors, etc, not to extend power over an empire.

    This also the noble part of nationalism within an imperialist country, is when you say “we don’t want empire, we want to live freely as a separate and modest nationality”.

    Karlin was also saying something like promoting the Russian Orthodox Church building and the imperialist symbols, was “nationalist”. But Russian Orthodox Church promotes immigration, and the Russian Empire’s conquests had pulled difficult nationalities into the country.

    Also Karlin is fan of Putin, who is the most open-border leader in Russian history, and wants to pull Uzbekistan into the open border zone (Uzbekistan tries to resist every year). But Putin is quite imperialist.

    I’m not saying there is anything wrong with Karlin’s views, or with support for Putin. There is also a reason why the word “imperialism” is like an insult in Russian – because of Lenin. Since Lenin, there is no positive word for imperialism, so the Russian imperialists are not exactly able to label their views.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/
     
    Partially. I don't think I read all of AK's piece that closely, tbh there are elements I'm not sympathetic to (some questions of history, or the denial of Ukrainian nationhood which strikes me as dangerously misguided) and which were already familiar from previous posts, so I just skimmed it. But I did look at the comment section, and just refreshed my memory of it, especially in regard to commenter "Bashibuzuk", whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies) were interesting, if not exactly my cup of tea either. His comments about the events of 1993 in Moscow were fascinating, that's something that is utterly unknown in the West (even if the more extreme claims about a massacre may not be proven, but his recollection of the various groups involved in those events alone was absorbing). But anyway, Karlin and Bashibuzuk had a pretty intense debate there. So I don't see why you think Karlin's views aren't sincere (if that's what you're insinuating). To me it's clear he didn't just write these things for shock value, they're really close to his heart.


    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists
     
    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn't be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can't judge that at all.
    I understand your point about the tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren't ethnic Russians, or how to deal with the reality of a multiethnic state (which however has a dominant core ethnicity of around 80%). I would say that it sometimes seemed to me that tension hadn't been successfully resolved in Karlin's views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I'm not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can't judge those issues.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one.
     
    Unfortunately you're almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I'd be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

  90. I feel like this is the last moment to enjoy Racist Twitter (which still has some pretty amusing content), now that Jack is stepping down:

    https://nationalfile.com/new-twitter-ceo-wants-to-focus-less-on-free-speech-claims-theres-no-distinction-between-white-people-and-racists/

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @songbird

    If memory serves, the tide of terrifying white free speech on Twitter is currently held back by a chubby Indian woman and her minions. With a woke new brown CEO, perhaps we will now even find 'Thomm' hanging around there, should he be able to scrounge up a promotion?

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That's worth some attention, in my mind.

    Also, in the more general US industry, Warren Buffett is preparing to hand over his vast conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway to one of his two lieutenants, one of which is Indian (the other is a Jew). Though Warren è mobile and has discarded several similar attempts so who knows, but presumably he will have to make up his mind soon.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Thulean Friend, @Thomm

  91. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    You've got quite the imagination (I like it). But in this case, I think that he'll see right through your ruse and not be moved to do anything, although I hope it works. Anything to get him back. It's too bad that Karlin and him butted heads, for it wouldn't do to get Karlin to write another "Putin is a Russian Nationalist" piece, I don't think. :-)

    Hey Bashibuzuk, c'mon back and humor us, and let us know that it's actually you who still wears the pants in your family!

    Replies: @Dmitry

    wouldn’t do to get Karlin to write another “Putin is a Russian Nationalist” piece

    It was beautiful writing by Karlin.

    I also feel guilty for spamming that thread with my boring offtopic nonsense posts. As it dilutes some of the artistic beauty in the comments like https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/#comment-4928901

    Bashibuzuk, c’mon back and humor us,

    Well from the trolled Bashibuzuk’s returning experience, at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called “Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist”.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called “Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist”.
     
    I don't think anybody would ever call Merkel a nationalist, but there's no shortage of pieces glorifying her. Normally it doesn't trigger me (I'm pretty resigned to everything by now anyway), but I did write a comment yesterday on the American conservative website, when I saw some liberal American commenter claim "She kept Germany out of our Iraq misadventure". In reality, Merkel of course wasn't in power in 2002/03, and in fact she strongly criticized Schröder's government for its alleged anti-Americanism (including through a piece published in the Washington Post, a rather unusual behaviour) and even explicitly defended the American invasion of Iraq. The myth-making about this completely uncharismatic woman with all her disastrous mistakes is really quite extraordinary and not easy to understand.
  92. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2

     

    It doesn't make you happy, but you (and I) are not paying for this. We are just free-riders who don't even contribute advertizing revenue.

    This is a personally created website, of a wealthy (Jewish American) businessman. If a website makes him happy, it is successful. If it doesn't make him happy, it is unsuccessful.

    Maybe you prefer he doesn't write holocaust denial, but obviously - he is paying for the website, because the website is what he wants.

    Perhaps you would prefer with such money to buy a Lamborghini. Perhaps someone else likes chocolate ice-cream sprinkled with caviar. If it's what they want, then they will buy it. After all, their money, their choice.


    AK exaggerated a bit for effect,

     

    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    It is a beautiful work of art, if read in the context of Karlin's blog. I almost want to donate money to Karlin to pay for this artwork. On the other hand, you could be a little confused if you read from a literalist angle.


    somewhat untypical origins

     

    Because of the specific history in Russia (where is Russia is an imperialist occupying power), the nationalism became more like "white nationalism" or "white separatism" within Unionist America. Russian nationalism in the postsoviet time relates to a racial identity. So for Caucasian people as Russian nationalists, is like the joke about "Black Klansmen" in America, as Caucasian immigrants are one of the main hatred of Russian nationalists.

    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists, as we understood this term in local context (before the FSB has a crushed them in the last more than decade).

    Before they were crushed by Putin, violent nationalists specifically try to beat Caucasian origin people.

    Violent nationalists in Russia in 2000s, used to flood the internet with videos of beating and killing people. People of my generation, who had access to internet in the 2000s, have post-traumatic stress from watching videos of nationalists beating and killing immigrants.

    If you say "nationalists" in Russia, this who most people refer to - at least until recently. This is why in 2014 in Ukraine, in Russian media, they could generate a lot of disgust in Russia, by talking about the extreme nationalists that were controlling power in Ukraine.

    The violent videos of 2000s Russian internet, was later censored from the (and FSB crushed the nationalists were all imprisoned), so it's possible that younger people in Russia do not have the same association.

    There seems more recently astroturf project to rebuild the unacceptable "nationalism", as the acceptable "imperialism". This thing loses its amusement, if you explain it.

    Karlin seems actually open and honest in my opinion. But clearly has a Dada professional ethic on this topic. In another life, he would become a "concept artist". As it can be, he should convert Bashibuzuk's reactions to his Putin nationalist article to NFT tokens, and sold them to the art market.


    wn views are fairly constant and I’m open about them here

     

    Yes me too. But we are consumers of content from the internet, rather than producers.

    Imagine working as a producer of content for the internet. You would need to design a "brand", develop an audience,find ways to make people pay you. etc.

    For example, to make people donate money for your blog, I believe you would have to find very strong and unusual views.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one. Everything we write is too boring, cynical, conventional and not exciting.

    I'm sure we both have interesting views in non-political areas. But our political views are too conventional, boring, cynical and unoriginal, that anyone would donate money for them.


    AK attributed his nationalism
     
    The views are imperialist rather than nationalist.

    In some countries (perhaps Germany), the nationalism and the imperialism can match together, but in Russia it's a occupying imperialist country, and it goes in the opposite direction. If you are really serious about nationalism, you want to maximally separate your nationality from the neighbors, etc, not to extend power over an empire.

    This also the noble part of nationalism within an imperialist country, is when you say "we don't want empire, we want to live freely as a separate and modest nationality".

    Karlin was also saying something like promoting the Russian Orthodox Church building and the imperialist symbols, was "nationalist". But Russian Orthodox Church promotes immigration, and the Russian Empire's conquests had pulled difficult nationalities into the country.

    Also Karlin is fan of Putin, who is the most open-border leader in Russian history, and wants to pull Uzbekistan into the open border zone (Uzbekistan tries to resist every year). But Putin is quite imperialist.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with Karlin's views, or with support for Putin. There is also a reason why the word "imperialism" is like an insult in Russian - because of Lenin. Since Lenin, there is no positive word for imperialism, so the Russian imperialists are not exactly able to label their views.

    Replies: @German_reader

    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    Partially. I don’t think I read all of AK’s piece that closely, tbh there are elements I’m not sympathetic to (some questions of history, or the denial of Ukrainian nationhood which strikes me as dangerously misguided) and which were already familiar from previous posts, so I just skimmed it. But I did look at the comment section, and just refreshed my memory of it, especially in regard to commenter “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies) were interesting, if not exactly my cup of tea either. His comments about the events of 1993 in Moscow were fascinating, that’s something that is utterly unknown in the West (even if the more extreme claims about a massacre may not be proven, but his recollection of the various groups involved in those events alone was absorbing). But anyway, Karlin and Bashibuzuk had a pretty intense debate there. So I don’t see why you think Karlin’s views aren’t sincere (if that’s what you’re insinuating). To me it’s clear he didn’t just write these things for shock value, they’re really close to his heart.

    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists

    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can’t judge that at all.
    I understand your point about the tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians, or how to deal with the reality of a multiethnic state (which however has a dominant core ethnicity of around 80%). I would say that it sometimes seemed to me that tension hadn’t been successfully resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one.

    Unfortunately you’re almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I’d be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can’t judge that at all.
     
    At worst his would be a borderline case. I do know a half-Armenian who was often harassed on the subway by nationalists, due to his clearly Armenian appearance. Ironically the guy's parents divorced when he was young and he was basically raised by his Russian family, and had little emotional connection to Armenians.

    Unfortunately you’re almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I’d be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.
     
    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    don’t think I read all of AK’s piece Karlin’s views aren’t sincere
     
    I also for years was never reading his posts (not from lack of respect, but because my attention span was too short to read a long blog article), and just skim reading the comments. But I should read his posts and enjoy them, because they are very clever if you see the ironic angle he uses.

    You can't miss how funny his writing is, and how much he is trolling. Now re-read, and you can see he has a very strong humour.

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view - which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism. His views mostly consistent and his support for Putin is not a contradiction.

    Look in the article and you can see how he embeds these jokes.

    Nationalism for him, means that you can enjoy Vietnamese food, in an Armenian owned shopping mall. Nationalists in Russia hate especially Armenians owning the businesses, so he knows how to troll hard. Nationalists in Russia also are kind of people who might really talk about trying to eat only "historical slavic foods" (I'm not joking).

    https://i.imgur.com/m53Np5g.jpg

    His joke is "nationalism must be successful, as it mysteriously "self-annihilates". It's because the FSB has priority target to destroy nationalism, as viewed as one of the main threats to the state. But the joke about "self-annihilates" is really funny as a joke about a false naivety.
    https://i.imgur.com/I5kbQ8d.jpg

    And he likes Margarita Simonyan to really troll.

    This is a brown Armenian woman, who has a kind of Armenian criminal family that steals openly money from the Russian budget (they employ every imaginable relative from this Armenian family, to take as much money from the budget). She promotes some imperialist views though.

    If you want to hear pro-LGBT, Russian liberals to start saying racist things, you can say how "Margarita Simonyan". On the Russian liberal sites, they all liberals start writing racist comments. Funny way to troll them.
    https://i.imgur.com/R0x00Bn.jpg


    “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies)
     
    Bashibuzuk is Russian. He is kind of angry because he doesn't have any "fashionable" Jewish or German, etc, ancestry. Baltic there is actually very good writer LatW here.

    grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic
     
    Yes I remember he posts a DNA test, which showed majority Slavic ancestry in his family. However, racist people in Russia, judge on appearance. They are not usually some "intellectuals interested in DNA mitochondria sequencing".

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum "Dvach", they were posting Karlin's photos of family, and they does indeed look like Middle Eastern relative (like darker than some Arabs). So his family would be a direct target of the violent nationalists, that Putin has crushed in the last two decades.

    Fortunately, these violent racists have been imprisoned, and their groups are broken by Putin. Fortunately, streets in Russia are safe for people of all origins, and nobody will attack Karlin's family. But it's a funny trolling of such blog against the violent hooligans who could have been dangerous in streets for the blog authors.


    tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia,

     

    And not recently. Russian Empire itself was ruled with help of a multinational aristocracy (including significant Caucasian aristocrats), and constantly adding new nationalities through conquests.

    Even with the high literacy nationalities, it's not like Lithuanians, Jews, have immigrated to Russia voluntarily. Empress Ekaterina II takes their homelands (and started to settle them soon in the Crimea) - Russian Empire demanded homelands of these nationalities in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against Polish demands. And Estonians were conquered and incorporated in Great Northern War.

    Multinationality in Russian Empire and later Soviet Union is one of the more direct results of Russian/Soviet imperialism, although until the Russian Federation there has not been a complete absence of internal border.

    Through the 19th century, Russian Empire is trying to crush nationalisms, and import imperialist ideologies to unsettle rival empires, like pan-Slavism.

    Meanwhile, rival empires, are trying to unsettle internally the Russian Empire, by promoting nationalisms within the Russian empire.


    nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians
     
    And Ukrainians, Tatars (see "Timati"), Bashkirs (yes still relevant - see "Morgenshtern"), Germans, Jews, Udmurts (yes in Russia, also there is a bit of traditional racism against physical appearance of Udmurts, is still sensitive topic). etc.

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like "Ukrainians don't exist" is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    Nowadays, for example, Ukrainians are supposedly spreading a lot of anti-vax propaganda in Russia (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/11/24/70273676.).
    Without a strong amount of imperialism, there isn't such a good motive to try to incorporate nationalities which are hostile to it. That is, you need to be very imperialism, to want to take into Russia, Ukraine, as there would have to be strong imposition of Russification within the Ukrainian territory.

    In a descriptive sense, I think Ukrainians are basically - Russians. (Even bodylanguage is the same). But in the political sense, you have to be having crazy doses of imperialism to want to conquer Ukraine, say "Ukrainians don't exist", and incorporate a hostile population.


    y resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.
     
    I'm pretty sure you know more history than all of us. So you are probably the only person who has professional knowledge to judge anything about European history here.

    That's also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    Replies: @sudden death, @German_reader, @Coconuts

  93. Maybe all the recent both premature&too late looking fuss is because of Omicron covid being able to target the most youngest audience way better than previous covids?:

    Covid patients aged 2 and under most likely to go to hospital in South African epicentre.

    The new Omicron variant has rapidly overtaken Delta to become the dominant variant in Gauteng, a province that accounts for the vast majority of the country’s cases.

    There were about 455 admissions from November 11 to 28 in the Gauteng city of Tshwane, where eight people have died, Dr Jassat said during a televised government media briefing on Monday.

    In Tshwane, which has recorded the highest increases in admissions, there has been “a very sharp increase”, particularly in the past 10 days, she said.

    “When you look at the numbers of admissions by age, what we normally see is a large number of admissions in older people,” she added.

    “But in this early resurgence in Tshwane, we are seeing most admissions in the 0-2 age group.

    “And we are seeing a large number of admissions in the middle ages, sort of around 28 to 38.”

    She said “very high proportions” of young children were being admitted — more than 70 per cent of cases in the 4-and-under age group.

    The percentage was much lower in other child age groups, at about 10 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 and slightly less for the age 10-19 group.

    However, the percentage of young children admitted with comorbidities, or underlying conditions, was “quite low,” at about 1 per cent.

    More than 5 per cent of children aged 5 to 9 who were admitted had underlying conditions, she said. The percentage was slightly less for the 10-to-19 group.

    Almost 30 per cent of children aged 4 or under had “severe disease”. The percentage of those admitted with severe disease was slightly higher for the five-to-nine age group, at more than 30 per cent. It was slightly less for the age 10-19 group at about 27 per cent.

    Passengers wearing protective gear arrive at Incheon International Airport in South Korea. Health authorities have imposed an entry ban on foreign arrivals from eight African countries, including South Africa, to block the spread of the new Covid-19 variant Omicron. EPA

    “The increase in admissions in young children under 2 could just be precautionary. We don’t have enough information yet,” said Dr Jassat.

    “But the indications are not that they are more severe than they have been in the past.

    “I think what’s important for us to note is that while we do hospital surge preparedness, this time we may need to look at paediatric preparedness, especially.”

    There were eight deaths in the two weeks from November 14 to 28.

    Most occurred in older groups, aged 60 to 69. About 1.5 per cent of children aged 4 and under admitted to hospital died. There were no deaths among children aged 5 to 19 in the two-week period.

    “It doesn’t look at the moment like there is any increase in severity, but it is early. Admissions do lag about two weeks after cases and it takes some time for patients to have an outcome, so this is something we will watch and give more information in the coming weeks,” said Dr Jassat.

    The “vast majority” of those admitted to hospital were unvaccinated.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/coronavirus/2021/11/29/covid-patients-aged-2-and-under-most-likely-to-go-to-hospital-in-south-african-epicentre/

  94. @Coconuts

    When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.
     
    What constitutes SJWism? I understand it as politics and activism based on LGBTQ, 4th wave feminism, CRT and Post-Colonialism and the post-2000s anti-capitalism/occupy Wall Street movement. At the moment the enthusiasm for this stuff is mainly emanating from the US, even if earlier versions of the ideas used to be current in Europe (sometimes promoted/fostered by US power in past decades; developments in West German culture post-1945 seem to be a clear case of this).

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena. The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

    I’ve made nearly verbatim points as well to A123. I really can’t fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn’t like together cohesively.
    To each their own, I guess.

    • Agree: Coconuts, iffen
    • Replies: @A123
    @Barbarossa


    I really can’t fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn’t like together cohesively. To each their own, I guess.
     
    I link cohesive ideas tofether. I am genuinely puzzles by those who cannot see the clear and obvious evidence of their own ideas. Let me illustrate below (continues under [MORE]).

    Even the protest organizers concede the connection between BLM and Islam. There is a perplexing blind spot where people refuse to see the truth about Muslim actions.

    Why is it so hard for you (and others) to recognize this painfully clear relationship?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    ______________________


    -A- Look at this picture that is a a combination BLM and Islam.

     
    https://mericanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/BOUBODGTNBCAROUJFWJTZPXTSQ-1024x576.jpg
     




    -B- Now look at this picture which (again) shows the unification of BLM and Islam

     
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BLM-free-palestine.jpg
     

    -C- And, look at this poster which shows the organizers combining BLM and Islam.

     
    http://www.palestineposterproject.org/sites/default/files/caribbean_against_apartheid_in_palestine_pppa.jpg
     

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    I rather like A123's idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them"Muslim-SJWs" and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    Of course, I prefer my own "Zones of Rap" idea, which is to deport all undesirables to equatorial regions, where they would be free to blast rap, through large speakers, if they had the electricity. I should like to see color-signaling collapse back in on itself, which I don't think could be done effectively in Arabia, though there are certainly many blacks there.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yellowface Anon

  95. @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.
     
    It sounds like it could be at least part of it. I am fairly certain the places where I grew up and went to school had a kind of formative influence, even though I was not aware of it at the time.

    Possibly there is some kind of shared 'Northern European industrial city' pattern where the cities rise up from small or non-existent beginnings in the 19th-early 20th century due to the development of heavy and extractive industries, draw in peasants from a wide geographic area, then through the 20th C. the life of the cities continues to revolve around all the works and plants. The 1980s marks the beginning of the end for this kind of society, the plants close, there is mass unemployment, decline of culture, rising crime, drug use and so on.

    In the Soviet Union, because the whole economy and political system was structured around this it happened in a mega society wide way.


    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century – some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.
     
    I find these places have a grand and imperial feel, I grew up around a lot of late 19th and early 20th century architecture, but it was mostly modest and provincial (apart from some of the council and union buildings, some mansions). The richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable, or as you mention in those other places that date back further, where you can see evidence of more wealth and a more developed culture stretching back into the 17th and 18th centuries.

    This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today.
     

    On UK TV the change seems to have started in the 1980s but by the late 90s was very well underway, it is very stark when you look back now.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable

    This late 19th century, is some of the most beautiful, imperialist architecture in the world.

    Especially it seems places with “Queen Victoria” or “Prince Albert” in its name, has such a monumentalist, transcontinental power.

    Personally, I am not going to say anything kind for imperialist policies, but if you are going to have to build imperialist architecture, the British imperialist architecture is the one I would choose.

    Although less impressive from the perspective of local development, is the British Empire, was using its money building a lot of this in places where they would later “donate” it to future independent states (like such impressive “Victoria” buildings in India, Australia, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dIinJ2BX0. ).

    • Agree: Coconuts
  96. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/
     
    Partially. I don't think I read all of AK's piece that closely, tbh there are elements I'm not sympathetic to (some questions of history, or the denial of Ukrainian nationhood which strikes me as dangerously misguided) and which were already familiar from previous posts, so I just skimmed it. But I did look at the comment section, and just refreshed my memory of it, especially in regard to commenter "Bashibuzuk", whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies) were interesting, if not exactly my cup of tea either. His comments about the events of 1993 in Moscow were fascinating, that's something that is utterly unknown in the West (even if the more extreme claims about a massacre may not be proven, but his recollection of the various groups involved in those events alone was absorbing). But anyway, Karlin and Bashibuzuk had a pretty intense debate there. So I don't see why you think Karlin's views aren't sincere (if that's what you're insinuating). To me it's clear he didn't just write these things for shock value, they're really close to his heart.


    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists
     
    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn't be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can't judge that at all.
    I understand your point about the tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren't ethnic Russians, or how to deal with the reality of a multiethnic state (which however has a dominant core ethnicity of around 80%). I would say that it sometimes seemed to me that tension hadn't been successfully resolved in Karlin's views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I'm not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can't judge those issues.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one.
     
    Unfortunately you're almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I'd be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can’t judge that at all.

    At worst his would be a borderline case. I do know a half-Armenian who was often harassed on the subway by nationalists, due to his clearly Armenian appearance. Ironically the guy’s parents divorced when he was young and he was basically raised by his Russian family, and had little emotional connection to Armenians.

    Unfortunately you’re almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I’d be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.

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    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.
     
    Don't cut yourself short!
  97. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack


    wouldn’t do to get Karlin to write another “Putin is a Russian Nationalist” piece
     
    It was beautiful writing by Karlin.

    I also feel guilty for spamming that thread with my boring offtopic nonsense posts. As it dilutes some of the artistic beauty in the comments like https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/#comment-4928901

    https://i.imgur.com/gWyPAmb.jpg


    Bashibuzuk, c’mon back and humor us,
     
    Well from the trolled Bashibuzuk's returning experience, at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called "Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist".

    Replies: @German_reader

    at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called “Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist”.

    I don’t think anybody would ever call Merkel a nationalist, but there’s no shortage of pieces glorifying her. Normally it doesn’t trigger me (I’m pretty resigned to everything by now anyway), but I did write a comment yesterday on the American conservative website, when I saw some liberal American commenter claim “She kept Germany out of our Iraq misadventure”. In reality, Merkel of course wasn’t in power in 2002/03, and in fact she strongly criticized Schröder’s government for its alleged anti-Americanism (including through a piece published in the Washington Post, a rather unusual behaviour) and even explicitly defended the American invasion of Iraq. The myth-making about this completely uncharismatic woman with all her disastrous mistakes is really quite extraordinary and not easy to understand.

  98. @A123
    @songbird

    If we just look at the right hand column the recent changes have been:

    -- Loss -- Audacious Epigone
    -- Loss -- Anatoly Karlin

    -- Added -- Raches
    -- Added -- Paul Kersey
    -- Added -- Jung Freud

    Both losses were core reasons why people visited this site. The also represented serious voices in discussions about HBD.

    Kersey is OK. While his posts have value, they are not deep on insight and subsequent discussion. Raches is a ghastly troll and the only author here that I have blocked. Jung is so new I will not draw a final judgement, but his first couple of offerings have not been engaging.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @songbird, @Barbarossa

    Heartily agree.
    I really used to enjoy Linh Dinh as well for something different, but he’s gotten completely on the Covid tangent.

    • Replies: @iffen
    @Barbarossa

    I really used to enjoy Linh Dinh as well

    I used to enjoy his vignettes of the urban working class that always seemed to be tottering at the precipice of ruin. I had hoped that he would give us a similar take on Vietnam, but his family situation put him on the road as a world traveler. I wonder if he's not hitting the bars more for the alcohol than observing the characters.

  99. @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts

    I've made nearly verbatim points as well to A123. I really can't fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn't like together cohesively.
    To each their own, I guess.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    I really can’t fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn’t like together cohesively. To each their own, I guess.

    I link cohesive ideas tofether. I am genuinely puzzles by those who cannot see the clear and obvious evidence of their own ideas. Let me illustrate below (continues under [MORE]).

    Even the protest organizers concede the connection between BLM and Islam. There is a perplexing blind spot where people refuse to see the truth about Muslim actions.

    Why is it so hard for you (and others) to recognize this painfully clear relationship?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    ______________________

    -A- Look at this picture that is a a combination BLM and Islam.

     

     

    [MORE]

    -B- Now look at this picture which (again) shows the unification of BLM and Islam

     

     

    -C- And, look at this poster which shows the organizers combining BLM and Islam.

     

     

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.

    Thus we can have without irony a photo like your second one; a bunch of white liberals holding signs for Palestinians and BLM. This is a very common pattern. White NPR libs get way more worked up in support of BLM (and certainly most of the financial contributions) than most blacks. Case in point; my local college town had a long running BLM sign holding "demonstration" once a week last year. It was all white chicks from the private university, despite a very large black population at the local public college.

    If white people want to make a lot of noise and accrue perks and political clout for certain racial groups than they will probably not get in the way.

    I believe the common denominator in all cases is white liberals.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  100. @AP
    @German_reader


    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can’t judge that at all.
     
    At worst his would be a borderline case. I do know a half-Armenian who was often harassed on the subway by nationalists, due to his clearly Armenian appearance. Ironically the guy's parents divorced when he was young and he was basically raised by his Russian family, and had little emotional connection to Armenians.

    Unfortunately you’re almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I’d be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.
     
    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.

    Don’t cut yourself short!

  101. @Barbarossa
    @Coconuts

    I've made nearly verbatim points as well to A123. I really can't fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn't like together cohesively.
    To each their own, I guess.

    Replies: @A123, @songbird

    I rather like A123’s idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them”Muslim-SJWs” and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    Of course, I prefer my own “Zones of Rap” idea, which is to deport all undesirables to equatorial regions, where they would be free to blast rap, through large speakers, if they had the electricity. I should like to see color-signaling collapse back in on itself, which I don’t think could be done effectively in Arabia, though there are certainly many blacks there.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    "Zones of Rap"...I like it!

    Has the idea been floated to the Biden administration yet? If it's posited as some sort of Bipoc liberation movement it might actually be actionable!

    We may lose Texas, but hey, you have to look to the greater good!

    What about trans and the gender queers though? Perhaps they can have their own island so they can be free from hetero-normative oppression? I'd give up Hawaii for that!

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird


    I rather like A123’s idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them”Muslim-SJWs” and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.
     
    You get it! It's never a matter of correctly identifying ideological influences. He only wants to seek out the generic Other from his Trumpist viewpoint, then expel them from his political consciousness, and maybe physically if his type gains power. You want the last part, too, don't you. All those name-calling of his opponents is for the same end.
  102. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/
     
    Partially. I don't think I read all of AK's piece that closely, tbh there are elements I'm not sympathetic to (some questions of history, or the denial of Ukrainian nationhood which strikes me as dangerously misguided) and which were already familiar from previous posts, so I just skimmed it. But I did look at the comment section, and just refreshed my memory of it, especially in regard to commenter "Bashibuzuk", whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies) were interesting, if not exactly my cup of tea either. His comments about the events of 1993 in Moscow were fascinating, that's something that is utterly unknown in the West (even if the more extreme claims about a massacre may not be proven, but his recollection of the various groups involved in those events alone was absorbing). But anyway, Karlin and Bashibuzuk had a pretty intense debate there. So I don't see why you think Karlin's views aren't sincere (if that's what you're insinuating). To me it's clear he didn't just write these things for shock value, they're really close to his heart.


    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists
     
    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn't be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can't judge that at all.
    I understand your point about the tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren't ethnic Russians, or how to deal with the reality of a multiethnic state (which however has a dominant core ethnicity of around 80%). I would say that it sometimes seemed to me that tension hadn't been successfully resolved in Karlin's views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I'm not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can't judge those issues.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one.
     
    Unfortunately you're almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I'd be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    Replies: @AP, @Dmitry

    don’t think I read all of AK’s piece Karlin’s views aren’t sincere

    I also for years was never reading his posts (not from lack of respect, but because my attention span was too short to read a long blog article), and just skim reading the comments. But I should read his posts and enjoy them, because they are very clever if you see the ironic angle he uses.

    You can’t miss how funny his writing is, and how much he is trolling. Now re-read, and you can see he has a very strong humour.

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view – which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism. His views mostly consistent and his support for Putin is not a contradiction.

    Look in the article and you can see how he embeds these jokes.

    Nationalism for him, means that you can enjoy Vietnamese food, in an Armenian owned shopping mall. Nationalists in Russia hate especially Armenians owning the businesses, so he knows how to troll hard. Nationalists in Russia also are kind of people who might really talk about trying to eat only “historical slavic foods” (I’m not joking).

    His joke is “nationalism must be successful, as it mysteriously “self-annihilates”. It’s because the FSB has priority target to destroy nationalism, as viewed as one of the main threats to the state. But the joke about “self-annihilates” is really funny as a joke about a false naivety.
    And he likes Margarita Simonyan to really troll.

    This is a brown Armenian woman, who has a kind of Armenian criminal family that steals openly money from the Russian budget (they employ every imaginable relative from this Armenian family, to take as much money from the budget). She promotes some imperialist views though.

    If you want to hear pro-LGBT, Russian liberals to start saying racist things, you can say how “Margarita Simonyan”. On the Russian liberal sites, they all liberals start writing racist comments. Funny way to troll them.

    “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies)

    Bashibuzuk is Russian. He is kind of angry because he doesn’t have any “fashionable” Jewish or German, etc, ancestry. Baltic there is actually very good writer LatW here.

    grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic

    Yes I remember he posts a DNA test, which showed majority Slavic ancestry in his family. However, racist people in Russia, judge on appearance. They are not usually some “intellectuals interested in DNA mitochondria sequencing”.

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum “Dvach”, they were posting Karlin’s photos of family, and they does indeed look like Middle Eastern relative (like darker than some Arabs). So his family would be a direct target of the violent nationalists, that Putin has crushed in the last two decades.

    Fortunately, these violent racists have been imprisoned, and their groups are broken by Putin. Fortunately, streets in Russia are safe for people of all origins, and nobody will attack Karlin’s family. But it’s a funny trolling of such blog against the violent hooligans who could have been dangerous in streets for the blog authors.

    tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia,

    And not recently. Russian Empire itself was ruled with help of a multinational aristocracy (including significant Caucasian aristocrats), and constantly adding new nationalities through conquests.

    Even with the high literacy nationalities, it’s not like Lithuanians, Jews, have immigrated to Russia voluntarily. Empress Ekaterina II takes their homelands (and started to settle them soon in the Crimea) – Russian Empire demanded homelands of these nationalities in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against Polish demands. And Estonians were conquered and incorporated in Great Northern War.

    Multinationality in Russian Empire and later Soviet Union is one of the more direct results of Russian/Soviet imperialism, although until the Russian Federation there has not been a complete absence of internal border.

    Through the 19th century, Russian Empire is trying to crush nationalisms, and import imperialist ideologies to unsettle rival empires, like pan-Slavism.

    Meanwhile, rival empires, are trying to unsettle internally the Russian Empire, by promoting nationalisms within the Russian empire.

    nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians

    And Ukrainians, Tatars (see “Timati”), Bashkirs (yes still relevant – see “Morgenshtern”), Germans, Jews, Udmurts (yes in Russia, also there is a bit of traditional racism against physical appearance of Udmurts, is still sensitive topic). etc.

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like “Ukrainians don’t exist” is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    Nowadays, for example, Ukrainians are supposedly spreading a lot of anti-vax propaganda in Russia (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/11/24/70273676.).
    Without a strong amount of imperialism, there isn’t such a good motive to try to incorporate nationalities which are hostile to it. That is, you need to be very imperialism, to want to take into Russia, Ukraine, as there would have to be strong imposition of Russification within the Ukrainian territory.

    In a descriptive sense, I think Ukrainians are basically – Russians. (Even bodylanguage is the same). But in the political sense, you have to be having crazy doses of imperialism to want to conquer Ukraine, say “Ukrainians don’t exist”, and incorporate a hostile population.

    y resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.

    I’m pretty sure you know more history than all of us. So you are probably the only person who has professional knowledge to judge anything about European history here.

    That’s also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Dmitry


    His posts are sincere expression of his political view – which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism.
     
    He can be called quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC, was writing about Baltic states as not being included into expansionist RF sphere, while even many/most publicly known typical ethnonationalists (e.g. Prosvirnin, Kholmogorov), to say nothing about not so ethno/race centered imperialists, want to grab it back one way or another.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Bashibuzuk is Russian.
     
    I know, but he espoused a sort of pan-Slavic sentiment, with heavy focus on the pre-Christian past (e. g. iirc he seemed interested in the Wends and regarded their Germanization/Christianization as a tragedy), and to some extent included Balts in that as well. It's not a perspective I'm particularly sympathetic to (nationalists going on and on about some golden age in the remote pre-historic past, before "corruption" set in, always strike me as a bit silly), but the contrast with Karlin's views was very interesting to see.

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum “Dvach”, they were posting Karlin’s photos of family
     
    Didn't know that, sounds disturbing.

    I’m pretty sure you know more history than all of us.
     
    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

    That’s also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.
     
    Academic historians also often have a certain agenda, and that's especially the case for a lot of 20th century history, which is still "hot" and relevant to the self-conception of many people.
    Kholmogorov's essays with their imperialist mindset were indeed hard to stomach though.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like “Ukrainians don’t exist” is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.
     
    It is a useful political concept because it can contain within itself different kinds of ideological baggage; e.g. the French Revolutionaries started to use the term to refer to the idea of loyalty to the new French Republic instead of the king, and it had a kind of emancipatory and universalist Enlightenment content.

    Later on different brands of European nationalism retained some of this progressive flavour, in theory at least. The Portuguese New State nationalism may qualify as an antecedent of the AK brand of Russian nationalism; here the colonising mission was considered integral to Portuguese national identity and the colonies ended up becoming provinces of a 'multi-continental unitary nationalist republic'.

    Within this type of nationalism political parties were also illegal, because they created factions and divisions within the nation. This was pretty useful for the executive branch of government, which alone was responsible for determining the content and scope of the national interest.

  103. I meant to throw this comment AaronB’s way in the last thread since we share a techno-skepticism, but perhaps if he’s lurking around this thread he’ll see it (or anyone else who may find it of interest).

    The thought crossed my mind the other day that the Biblical Genesis narrative seems to be a very fitting and accurate description of humanity’s shift from a hunter gatherer existence to that of a civilized, agriculturally based society.

    Adam and Eve represent man in his natural state, existing in a state of harmony with nature and God. In certain environments with plentiful resources the hunter gatherer life would indeed be a kind of garden of Eden and even modern studies of extent primitive peoples show that they spend very little time doing “work” and have large amount of free recreational time.

    The civilizational drive pushing for ever more, represented by the consuming of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, sets man in a state of opposition and domination to his environment; in a sense usurping the position of God as sovereign of Earth.

    This naturally ejects man from the Garden since having tasted the fruits of ambition he can never return to that comparative state of simplicity and innocence.

    However the rigors of civilization are many and now man must earn his bread by dint of great effort. Interestingly, I remember reading that it seems as though humans were more malnourished during the earliest period of agricultural civilization and skeletal size decreased. Once a critical mass was reached this was reversed, but it does go to show that agriculture really is exponentially harder than just following food sources from place to place (I know I sometimes feel that my few livestock are getting the better end of our transaction!)

    Civilization also greatly increases the scope for human sin. Greed, aquisitiveness, or jealousy can hardly have much scope in a group where everyone has to carry their few goods from place to place. So we see the fruits of these vices in the story of Cain and Abel and the expanding degeneracy of mankind as he spreads and establishes towns, cities, and empires.

    On reflection it seems not the least surprising that ancient peoples would have a passed down ancestral memory of a time before the civilizing force had taken hold of man and that they would remember it with a wistful idea of an ideal state. The “good old days” are hardly a modern notion and if anything the idea of regression from a past ideal has been much more common than the modern cult of progress.

    I just decided to do a web search and unsurprisingly I’m not the only person who has though along similar lines. I know enough to know that no idea I have will ever likely be “original”. However, I’m surprised that it isn’t more common. It seemed rather obvious once it occurred to me.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    You see, there are 2 interpretations of this narrative based on whether you see civilization as an evil or not: that of the Original Sin, which (theologians don't recognize) is the hubristic drive for civilizational and egocentric attainment; and that of humanity's "coming of age" from a mere animalistic existence to something uniquely intelligent.

    I actually wonder why the first interpretation becomes dominant in Christian thought - perhaps, as a warning against the excesses of civilization.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    Your very private interpretation of the rise and fall of man's existence in the garden of Eden is really very innately accurate, and like the ancient heathen Greeks is indeed based on a remembrance of an ideal past. You're insights that the rise of civilization also gave way to the increase of sin and degeneracy is also quite accurate:


    We know that Adam and Eve were beguiled by the devil and did not want to collaborate with God; they desired to become gods not through humility, obedience, or love; but through their own power, their own willfulness-egotistically and autonomously. That is to say that the essence of the fall is egotism. Thus, by adopting egotism and self-assertion they separated themselves from God, and instead of attaining Theosis, they attained exactly the opposite: spiritual death...We all know the consequences of the fall. Separation from God threw man into carnal, bestial and demonic life. The brilliant creation of God fell seriously ill, almost to death. What had been made "in His image" was darkened. Since the fall, man no longer has the qualifications he needs to proceed to Theosis, as he had before he sinned. In this situation of grave illness, almost lifeless, he can no longer re-orient himself towards God. Thus there is a need for a new root for humanity; a need for a new man, who will be healthy and able to redirect the freedom of man towards God.
     
    But do not fear, for God the Creator did not leave civilizational man alone at this untenable and dark juncture, but left him with a new salvation, a new vision of his future, reunited with his Creator:

    This new root, the new man, is the God-Man, Jesus Christ, the Son and Logos of God, who incarnates to become the new root, the new beginning, the new leaven of humanity.

     

    Likewise, your insights about the darkened corner that the human race, including its rebellious nature has run into in its quest for a separate civilizational pull away from the Creator/God is also encapsulated most profoundly in the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel. The foundation and bricks are again starting to come apart and falling to the ground, can you feel this shift and ominous beginning once again? It all leads to a glorious future, however, for those whose faith is real and purified.

    http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis.aspx

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    , @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    I don't always post, but I always lurk :)

    I agree with this completely. You are quite correct Barbarossa, and I believe the fact that this spontaneously occurred to you - it did to me, also, only recently in the last few weeks - is a sign, and means more and more of us are, in the depths of our unconscious, coming to certain realizations.

    Here is the inimitable Paul Kingsnorth writing beautifully recently on just this theme -


    Let me tell you a story.

    This story begins in a garden, at the very beginning of all things. All life can be found in this garden: every living being, every bird and animal, every tree and plant. Humans live here too, and so does the creator of all of it, the source of everything, and he is so close that he can be seen and heard and spoken to. Everything walks in the garden together. Everything is in communion. It is a picture of integration.

    At the centre of this garden grows a tree, the fruit of which imparts hidden knowledge. The humans - the last creature to be formed by the creator - will be ready to eat this fruit one day, and when they do they will gain this knowledge and be able to use it wisely for the benefit of themselves and of all other things that live in the garden. But they are not ready yet. The humans are still young, and unlike the rest of creation they are only partially formed. If they ate from the tree now, the consequences would be terrible.

    Do not eat that fruit, the creator tells them. Eat anything else you like, but not that.

    We know the next part of the story because it is still happening to us all the time. Why should you not eat the fruit? says the voice of the tempting serpent, the voice from the undergrowth of our minds. Why should you not have the power that you are worthy of? Why should this creator keep it all for himself? Why should you listen to him? He just wants to keep you down. Eat the fruit. It's your right. You're worth it!

    So we eat the fruit, and we see that we are naked and we become ashamed. Our mind is filled with questions, the gears inside it begin to whir and turn and suddenly now here is us and them, here is humanity and nature, here is people and God. A portcullis of words descends between us and the other creatures in the garden, and we can never go home again. We fall into dis-integration and we fall out of the garden forever. Armed angels are set at the gates; even if we find our way back to the garden again we cannot re-enter. The state of questless ease that was our birthright is gone. We chose knowledge over communion; we chose power over humility.

    The Earth is our home now.

    This Earth is a broken version of the garden; of our original integration with creator and creation. On Earth we must toil to break the soil, to plant seeds, to fight off predators. We will sicken and die. Everything is eating everything else. There is war and dominion and misery. There is beauty and love and friendship too, but all of it ends in death. These are the consequences of our pursuit of knowledge and power, but we keep pursuing them because we know no other way out. We keep building towers and cities and forgetting where we came from. Outside of the garden, we are homeless and can never be still. We forget the creator and worship ourselves. All of this happens inside us every day.

    There comes a time when the creator takes pity. After so many centuries of this, after so many years of humans missing the mark, of wandering from the path, of rising and falling and warring and dying, of eating the fruit again and again, the creator stages an intervention. He comes to Earth in human form to show us the way back home. Most people don't listen, naturally, and we all know how the story ends. God himself walks on Earth and what does humanity do? We torture and kill him.

    But the joke is on us, because it turns out that this was the point all along. The way of this creator is not the way of power but of humility, not of conquest but of sacrifice. When he comes to Earth he comes not as warlord, king or high priest, but as a barefoot artisan in an obscure desert province. He walks with the downtrodden and the rejected, he scorns wealth and power and through his death he conquers death itself, and releases us from our bondage. He gives us a way out; a way back home. But we have to work at it. The path back to the garden can only be found by giving up the vainglory, the search for power and the unearned knowledge which got us exiled in the first place. The path is the path of renunciation, of love and of sacrifice. To get back to the garden, we have to go through the cross.

    Now imagine that a whole culture is built around this story. Imagine that this culture survives for over a thousand years, building layer upon layer of meaning, tradition, innovation and creation, however imperfectly, on these foundations.

    Then imagine that this culture dies, leaving only ruins.

    If you live in the West, you do not have to imagine any of this. You are living among those ruins, and you have been all your life. Many of them are still beautiful - intact cathedrals, Bach concertos - but they are ruins nonetheless. They are the remains of something called 'Christendom', a 1500-year civilisation in which this particular sacred story seeped into and formed every aspect of life, bending and changing and transforming everything in this story's image.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

  104. @Barbarossa
    I meant to throw this comment AaronB's way in the last thread since we share a techno-skepticism, but perhaps if he's lurking around this thread he'll see it (or anyone else who may find it of interest).

    The thought crossed my mind the other day that the Biblical Genesis narrative seems to be a very fitting and accurate description of humanity's shift from a hunter gatherer existence to that of a civilized, agriculturally based society.

    Adam and Eve represent man in his natural state, existing in a state of harmony with nature and God. In certain environments with plentiful resources the hunter gatherer life would indeed be a kind of garden of Eden and even modern studies of extent primitive peoples show that they spend very little time doing "work" and have large amount of free recreational time.

    The civilizational drive pushing for ever more, represented by the consuming of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, sets man in a state of opposition and domination to his environment; in a sense usurping the position of God as sovereign of Earth.

    This naturally ejects man from the Garden since having tasted the fruits of ambition he can never return to that comparative state of simplicity and innocence.

    However the rigors of civilization are many and now man must earn his bread by dint of great effort. Interestingly, I remember reading that it seems as though humans were more malnourished during the earliest period of agricultural civilization and skeletal size decreased. Once a critical mass was reached this was reversed, but it does go to show that agriculture really is exponentially harder than just following food sources from place to place (I know I sometimes feel that my few livestock are getting the better end of our transaction!)

    Civilization also greatly increases the scope for human sin. Greed, aquisitiveness, or jealousy can hardly have much scope in a group where everyone has to carry their few goods from place to place. So we see the fruits of these vices in the story of Cain and Abel and the expanding degeneracy of mankind as he spreads and establishes towns, cities, and empires.

    On reflection it seems not the least surprising that ancient peoples would have a passed down ancestral memory of a time before the civilizing force had taken hold of man and that they would remember it with a wistful idea of an ideal state. The "good old days" are hardly a modern notion and if anything the idea of regression from a past ideal has been much more common than the modern cult of progress.

    I just decided to do a web search and unsurprisingly I'm not the only person who has though along similar lines. I know enough to know that no idea I have will ever likely be "original". However, I'm surprised that it isn't more common. It seemed rather obvious once it occurred to me.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    You see, there are 2 interpretations of this narrative based on whether you see civilization as an evil or not: that of the Original Sin, which (theologians don’t recognize) is the hubristic drive for civilizational and egocentric attainment; and that of humanity’s “coming of age” from a mere animalistic existence to something uniquely intelligent.

    I actually wonder why the first interpretation becomes dominant in Christian thought – perhaps, as a warning against the excesses of civilization.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Personally, I feel quite conflicted about the issue.

    Humans are uniquely capable of both the greatest beauty and the most degraded ugliness. Too often we just choose slinking mediocrity.

    I sometimes feel that humans would be happier if we had never progressed (that is a certainty though since one can really only be unhappy if one is aware of alternatives).

    I am quite certain though that the industrial revolution onward was primarily negative. I would personally welcome a massive solar flare, despite the personal inconveniences it would doubtless entail.

    I think that the fact that almost all of the greatest cultural artifacts and treasures were produced prior to industrialization speaks for itself.

    So, I'm not completely against civilization though I can see it's faults. I am fully against the spirit of our modern age though.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  105. @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    I rather like A123's idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them"Muslim-SJWs" and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    Of course, I prefer my own "Zones of Rap" idea, which is to deport all undesirables to equatorial regions, where they would be free to blast rap, through large speakers, if they had the electricity. I should like to see color-signaling collapse back in on itself, which I don't think could be done effectively in Arabia, though there are certainly many blacks there.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yellowface Anon

    “Zones of Rap”…I like it!

    Has the idea been floated to the Biden administration yet? If it’s posited as some sort of Bipoc liberation movement it might actually be actionable!

    We may lose Texas, but hey, you have to look to the greater good!

    What about trans and the gender queers though? Perhaps they can have their own island so they can be free from hetero-normative oppression? I’d give up Hawaii for that!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Barbarossa


    I’d give up Hawaii for that!
     
    I feel a bit guilty because I'm very sun sensitive, so whereas other people might enjoy going on vacation in such places or retiring to them, I would quite readily give up any claim on tropical islands, just to unlock what I believe to be their massive potential to work as places of exile.

    No need to throw everyone into one basket, when you have islands. You can try segregating people by different factors to increase functionality and for compassion, so that their exile need not be overly harsh. Of course, I don't think society is ready for some of my ideas, like an island for super-gays or trannies, but I consider it really commonsensical that there should be one for prisoners. We are at the point where such a place need not be like Devil's Island, and criminals could even be given the choice of going there. Probably, it would save a lot of money, that could be better spent on other things than warehousing people, or trying to reform the type that are natural recidivists.
  106. @songbird
    @Barbarossa

    I rather like A123's idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them"Muslim-SJWs" and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    Of course, I prefer my own "Zones of Rap" idea, which is to deport all undesirables to equatorial regions, where they would be free to blast rap, through large speakers, if they had the electricity. I should like to see color-signaling collapse back in on itself, which I don't think could be done effectively in Arabia, though there are certainly many blacks there.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yellowface Anon

    I rather like A123’s idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them”Muslim-SJWs” and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    You get it! It’s never a matter of correctly identifying ideological influences. He only wants to seek out the generic Other from his Trumpist viewpoint, then expel them from his political consciousness, and maybe physically if his type gains power. You want the last part, too, don’t you. All those name-calling of his opponents is for the same end.

    • Agree: songbird, iffen
  107. @A123
    @Barbarossa


    I really can’t fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn’t like together cohesively. To each their own, I guess.
     
    I link cohesive ideas tofether. I am genuinely puzzles by those who cannot see the clear and obvious evidence of their own ideas. Let me illustrate below (continues under [MORE]).

    Even the protest organizers concede the connection between BLM and Islam. There is a perplexing blind spot where people refuse to see the truth about Muslim actions.

    Why is it so hard for you (and others) to recognize this painfully clear relationship?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    ______________________


    -A- Look at this picture that is a a combination BLM and Islam.

     
    https://mericanow.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/BOUBODGTNBCAROUJFWJTZPXTSQ-1024x576.jpg
     




    -B- Now look at this picture which (again) shows the unification of BLM and Islam

     
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/BLM-free-palestine.jpg
     

    -C- And, look at this poster which shows the organizers combining BLM and Islam.

     
    http://www.palestineposterproject.org/sites/default/files/caribbean_against_apartheid_in_palestine_pppa.jpg
     

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.

    Thus we can have without irony a photo like your second one; a bunch of white liberals holding signs for Palestinians and BLM. This is a very common pattern. White NPR libs get way more worked up in support of BLM (and certainly most of the financial contributions) than most blacks. Case in point; my local college town had a long running BLM sign holding “demonstration” once a week last year. It was all white chicks from the private university, despite a very large black population at the local public college.

    If white people want to make a lot of noise and accrue perks and political clout for certain racial groups than they will probably not get in the way.

    I believe the common denominator in all cases is white liberals.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Barbarossa


    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.
     
    I'm interested to see what happens with this Muslim/Liberal alliance if strands of Catholic Integralism become higher profile in US politics. Liberals and secular progressives are likely to respond with hostility (maybe horror?) to Integralism, especially the more robust expressions of it. OTOH similar or even more powerful Islamic beliefs seems to have an semi-sacred status with the Woke at the moment.

    This must be most obvious in France where the Left spent decades attacking and breaking down the traditional Catholic social order, but is now supportive of Islam.

    Replies: @German_reader

  108. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?
     
    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don't you think?
    I don't really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I've written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Frank Miller, @Thulean Friend, @Ron Unz

    But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    If Ron Unz craved this kind of success, it’s fairly clear he wouldn’t make the choices he has.

  109. @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    "Zones of Rap"...I like it!

    Has the idea been floated to the Biden administration yet? If it's posited as some sort of Bipoc liberation movement it might actually be actionable!

    We may lose Texas, but hey, you have to look to the greater good!

    What about trans and the gender queers though? Perhaps they can have their own island so they can be free from hetero-normative oppression? I'd give up Hawaii for that!

    Replies: @songbird

    I’d give up Hawaii for that!

    I feel a bit guilty because I’m very sun sensitive, so whereas other people might enjoy going on vacation in such places or retiring to them, I would quite readily give up any claim on tropical islands, just to unlock what I believe to be their massive potential to work as places of exile.

    No need to throw everyone into one basket, when you have islands. You can try segregating people by different factors to increase functionality and for compassion, so that their exile need not be overly harsh. Of course, I don’t think society is ready for some of my ideas, like an island for super-gays or trannies, but I consider it really commonsensical that there should be one for prisoners. We are at the point where such a place need not be like Devil’s Island, and criminals could even be given the choice of going there. Probably, it would save a lot of money, that could be better spent on other things than warehousing people, or trying to reform the type that are natural recidivists.

  110. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    don’t think I read all of AK’s piece Karlin’s views aren’t sincere
     
    I also for years was never reading his posts (not from lack of respect, but because my attention span was too short to read a long blog article), and just skim reading the comments. But I should read his posts and enjoy them, because they are very clever if you see the ironic angle he uses.

    You can't miss how funny his writing is, and how much he is trolling. Now re-read, and you can see he has a very strong humour.

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view - which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism. His views mostly consistent and his support for Putin is not a contradiction.

    Look in the article and you can see how he embeds these jokes.

    Nationalism for him, means that you can enjoy Vietnamese food, in an Armenian owned shopping mall. Nationalists in Russia hate especially Armenians owning the businesses, so he knows how to troll hard. Nationalists in Russia also are kind of people who might really talk about trying to eat only "historical slavic foods" (I'm not joking).

    https://i.imgur.com/m53Np5g.jpg

    His joke is "nationalism must be successful, as it mysteriously "self-annihilates". It's because the FSB has priority target to destroy nationalism, as viewed as one of the main threats to the state. But the joke about "self-annihilates" is really funny as a joke about a false naivety.
    https://i.imgur.com/I5kbQ8d.jpg

    And he likes Margarita Simonyan to really troll.

    This is a brown Armenian woman, who has a kind of Armenian criminal family that steals openly money from the Russian budget (they employ every imaginable relative from this Armenian family, to take as much money from the budget). She promotes some imperialist views though.

    If you want to hear pro-LGBT, Russian liberals to start saying racist things, you can say how "Margarita Simonyan". On the Russian liberal sites, they all liberals start writing racist comments. Funny way to troll them.
    https://i.imgur.com/R0x00Bn.jpg


    “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies)
     
    Bashibuzuk is Russian. He is kind of angry because he doesn't have any "fashionable" Jewish or German, etc, ancestry. Baltic there is actually very good writer LatW here.

    grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic
     
    Yes I remember he posts a DNA test, which showed majority Slavic ancestry in his family. However, racist people in Russia, judge on appearance. They are not usually some "intellectuals interested in DNA mitochondria sequencing".

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum "Dvach", they were posting Karlin's photos of family, and they does indeed look like Middle Eastern relative (like darker than some Arabs). So his family would be a direct target of the violent nationalists, that Putin has crushed in the last two decades.

    Fortunately, these violent racists have been imprisoned, and their groups are broken by Putin. Fortunately, streets in Russia are safe for people of all origins, and nobody will attack Karlin's family. But it's a funny trolling of such blog against the violent hooligans who could have been dangerous in streets for the blog authors.


    tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia,

     

    And not recently. Russian Empire itself was ruled with help of a multinational aristocracy (including significant Caucasian aristocrats), and constantly adding new nationalities through conquests.

    Even with the high literacy nationalities, it's not like Lithuanians, Jews, have immigrated to Russia voluntarily. Empress Ekaterina II takes their homelands (and started to settle them soon in the Crimea) - Russian Empire demanded homelands of these nationalities in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against Polish demands. And Estonians were conquered and incorporated in Great Northern War.

    Multinationality in Russian Empire and later Soviet Union is one of the more direct results of Russian/Soviet imperialism, although until the Russian Federation there has not been a complete absence of internal border.

    Through the 19th century, Russian Empire is trying to crush nationalisms, and import imperialist ideologies to unsettle rival empires, like pan-Slavism.

    Meanwhile, rival empires, are trying to unsettle internally the Russian Empire, by promoting nationalisms within the Russian empire.


    nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians
     
    And Ukrainians, Tatars (see "Timati"), Bashkirs (yes still relevant - see "Morgenshtern"), Germans, Jews, Udmurts (yes in Russia, also there is a bit of traditional racism against physical appearance of Udmurts, is still sensitive topic). etc.

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like "Ukrainians don't exist" is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    Nowadays, for example, Ukrainians are supposedly spreading a lot of anti-vax propaganda in Russia (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/11/24/70273676.).
    Without a strong amount of imperialism, there isn't such a good motive to try to incorporate nationalities which are hostile to it. That is, you need to be very imperialism, to want to take into Russia, Ukraine, as there would have to be strong imposition of Russification within the Ukrainian territory.

    In a descriptive sense, I think Ukrainians are basically - Russians. (Even bodylanguage is the same). But in the political sense, you have to be having crazy doses of imperialism to want to conquer Ukraine, say "Ukrainians don't exist", and incorporate a hostile population.


    y resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.
     
    I'm pretty sure you know more history than all of us. So you are probably the only person who has professional knowledge to judge anything about European history here.

    That's also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    Replies: @sudden death, @German_reader, @Coconuts

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view – which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism.

    He can be called quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC, was writing about Baltic states as not being included into expansionist RF sphere, while even many/most publicly known typical ethnonationalists (e.g. Prosvirnin, Kholmogorov), to say nothing about not so ethno/race centered imperialists, want to grab it back one way or another.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @sudden death


    quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC,

     

    Sure his views are not extreme in imperialism, by the discourse which becomes socially acceptable in Russian media itself.

    The government views imperialism as a "safe topic" in Russian discourse (as it doesn't undermine the government, unlike nationalism which is viewed as threat), although the word "imperialism" is not popular to use in any positive sense in Russian (since Lenin).

    So there is peer pressure of extreme imperialism in the mainstream culture in Russian politics and television, and then the government policies itself seem to be only very moderate or moderate imperialism. This is kind of Surkov way to manage the political discussion in Russia. You throw out a spectrum of views, and then position yourself as the moderate one in the center.

  111. @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    You see, there are 2 interpretations of this narrative based on whether you see civilization as an evil or not: that of the Original Sin, which (theologians don't recognize) is the hubristic drive for civilizational and egocentric attainment; and that of humanity's "coming of age" from a mere animalistic existence to something uniquely intelligent.

    I actually wonder why the first interpretation becomes dominant in Christian thought - perhaps, as a warning against the excesses of civilization.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Personally, I feel quite conflicted about the issue.

    Humans are uniquely capable of both the greatest beauty and the most degraded ugliness. Too often we just choose slinking mediocrity.

    I sometimes feel that humans would be happier if we had never progressed (that is a certainty though since one can really only be unhappy if one is aware of alternatives).

    I am quite certain though that the industrial revolution onward was primarily negative. I would personally welcome a massive solar flare, despite the personal inconveniences it would doubtless entail.

    I think that the fact that almost all of the greatest cultural artifacts and treasures were produced prior to industrialization speaks for itself.

    So, I’m not completely against civilization though I can see it’s faults. I am fully against the spirit of our modern age though.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    You can eagerly wait for the nuclear WWIII.

    I don't think we have any future outside of mutual extermination. It is basically the main theme of Revelations - a cosmic final battle between theological-ideological worldviews that terminates the old materialistic world, and then a restoration of the paradise, the mythical. It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious fundation.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  112. @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Personally, I feel quite conflicted about the issue.

    Humans are uniquely capable of both the greatest beauty and the most degraded ugliness. Too often we just choose slinking mediocrity.

    I sometimes feel that humans would be happier if we had never progressed (that is a certainty though since one can really only be unhappy if one is aware of alternatives).

    I am quite certain though that the industrial revolution onward was primarily negative. I would personally welcome a massive solar flare, despite the personal inconveniences it would doubtless entail.

    I think that the fact that almost all of the greatest cultural artifacts and treasures were produced prior to industrialization speaks for itself.

    So, I'm not completely against civilization though I can see it's faults. I am fully against the spirit of our modern age though.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    You can eagerly wait for the nuclear WWIII.

    I don’t think we have any future outside of mutual extermination. It is basically the main theme of Revelations – a cosmic final battle between theological-ideological worldviews that terminates the old materialistic world, and then a restoration of the paradise, the mythical. It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious fundation.

    • Agree: Erzberger
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon


    It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious foundation.
     
    A foundation, however, that Europe is doing all that it can to distance itself from. This is most evident in the absolute absence of any reference within the European Union's still unratified constitution of its Christian past. How would you interpret this glaring omission? It seems to indeed be "The stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  113. @songbird
    I feel like this is the last moment to enjoy Racist Twitter (which still has some pretty amusing content), now that Jack is stepping down:

    https://nationalfile.com/new-twitter-ceo-wants-to-focus-less-on-free-speech-claims-theres-no-distinction-between-white-people-and-racists/

    Replies: @Pericles

    If memory serves, the tide of terrifying white free speech on Twitter is currently held back by a chubby Indian woman and her minions. With a woke new brown CEO, perhaps we will now even find ‘Thomm’ hanging around there, should he be able to scrounge up a promotion?

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That’s worth some attention, in my mind.

    Also, in the more general US industry, Warren Buffett is preparing to hand over his vast conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway to one of his two lieutenants, one of which is Indian (the other is a Jew). Though Warren è mobile and has discarded several similar attempts so who knows, but presumably he will have to make up his mind soon.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Pericles

    Indians! They are the biggest enemy of the Chinese, in a civilizational sense. They've been subverting us since Buddhism.

    Replies: @sher singh

    , @Thulean Friend
    @Pericles


    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That’s worth some attention, in my mind.
     
    Add Adobe and VMware into the mix with Indian CEOs. My conspiracy theory on this topic is that this is partly intentional on behalf of US tech titans. India's domestic market is the Last Great Frontier and there has been an internal debate in India whether they should 'go Chinese', i.e. ban foreign IT firms and build up domestic champions.

    Given the weakness of India, this has largely been dropped but instead the government has tilted the playingfield in other very notable ways to benefit homegrown capitalists, notably the Reliance/JIO conglomerate run by Mukesh Ambani. In addition, India has introduced very discriminatory data laws which add costs to foreign firms.

    China's aggression against India was manna from heaven, as it forced India to give up its traditional posture at the LOC in favour of LAC - which Pakistan promptly took advantage of by sending in various terrorists and suicide bombers. This meant that India felt too vulnerable to take on both at the same time, and thus became far more pliable to US pressure, since the US is the most important partner that India has now (Russia still sells plenty of arms, but cannot match the US diplomatic and economic heft).

    Now, given these nativist trends in India, why wouldn't it be a good idea to have an Indian face on these US firms as they clobber and destroy their Indian competition? Remember, these CEOs are mercenaries. They are not founder-CEOs like Zuckerberg or Musk. The real power lies with the shareholders and as a shareholder in some of these tech firms, I approve of this Sepoy strategy, whether it is intentional or not.

    Replies: @showmethereal

    , @Thomm
    @Pericles

    Heh. I am not a 'South Asian'. No one with an IQ above 70 thinks I am. Ron Unz admitted that he floated that meme to see if the WN wiggers would believe anything. Sometimes he still pushes it even though he contradicted it before, because he knows his 70-IQ lab rats (like Pericles) can't keep up.

    Thulean Friend can confirm that I am not a 'South Asian' if you can persuade him to spend a few minutes evaluating the last 3 years of my comment history. He has written about South Asia about 30 times as much as I have. Talha also confirmed my demographic identity when he was here.

    Lastly, remember that Pericles has openly and proudly said that he would rather have sex with a white man than with even a pretty mulatta/quatroon woman like Halle Berry, since to him, race loyalty has to trump sexual orientation (and he is baffled as to why the other 97% of whites don't agree).

    He is desperately (and unsuccessfully) trying to conceal the fact that White Nationalism is now an entirely homosexual ideology. That is why we don't let these deviants pollute mainstream, heterosexual white society.

  114. @Pericles
    @songbird

    If memory serves, the tide of terrifying white free speech on Twitter is currently held back by a chubby Indian woman and her minions. With a woke new brown CEO, perhaps we will now even find 'Thomm' hanging around there, should he be able to scrounge up a promotion?

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That's worth some attention, in my mind.

    Also, in the more general US industry, Warren Buffett is preparing to hand over his vast conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway to one of his two lieutenants, one of which is Indian (the other is a Jew). Though Warren è mobile and has discarded several similar attempts so who knows, but presumably he will have to make up his mind soon.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Thulean Friend, @Thomm

    Indians! They are the biggest enemy of the Chinese, in a civilizational sense. They’ve been subverting us since Buddhism.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Yellowface Anon

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B2ILcS0AedH/

  115. @Yellowface Anon
    @Pericles

    Indians! They are the biggest enemy of the Chinese, in a civilizational sense. They've been subverting us since Buddhism.

    Replies: @sher singh

  116. @Twinkie
    @Dmitry


    the most beautiful clothes mix
     
    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    https://s.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w1027/564d385bfc28c663b5c187fec437a88c02609d92.jpg

    https://gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/Bren-Ten-1.jpg

    Do your own internet search for the women. ;)

    Replies: @Twinkie, @Yevardian

    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    Well, I consider myself above this sort of gossip/lifestyle poasting, but in reading about the British royal family, I read a little into the background of the recently passed “Prince of Wales”. It turns out his mother, Alice of Battenberg was once, to me at least, one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen.

  117. @Barbarossa
    I meant to throw this comment AaronB's way in the last thread since we share a techno-skepticism, but perhaps if he's lurking around this thread he'll see it (or anyone else who may find it of interest).

    The thought crossed my mind the other day that the Biblical Genesis narrative seems to be a very fitting and accurate description of humanity's shift from a hunter gatherer existence to that of a civilized, agriculturally based society.

    Adam and Eve represent man in his natural state, existing in a state of harmony with nature and God. In certain environments with plentiful resources the hunter gatherer life would indeed be a kind of garden of Eden and even modern studies of extent primitive peoples show that they spend very little time doing "work" and have large amount of free recreational time.

    The civilizational drive pushing for ever more, represented by the consuming of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, sets man in a state of opposition and domination to his environment; in a sense usurping the position of God as sovereign of Earth.

    This naturally ejects man from the Garden since having tasted the fruits of ambition he can never return to that comparative state of simplicity and innocence.

    However the rigors of civilization are many and now man must earn his bread by dint of great effort. Interestingly, I remember reading that it seems as though humans were more malnourished during the earliest period of agricultural civilization and skeletal size decreased. Once a critical mass was reached this was reversed, but it does go to show that agriculture really is exponentially harder than just following food sources from place to place (I know I sometimes feel that my few livestock are getting the better end of our transaction!)

    Civilization also greatly increases the scope for human sin. Greed, aquisitiveness, or jealousy can hardly have much scope in a group where everyone has to carry their few goods from place to place. So we see the fruits of these vices in the story of Cain and Abel and the expanding degeneracy of mankind as he spreads and establishes towns, cities, and empires.

    On reflection it seems not the least surprising that ancient peoples would have a passed down ancestral memory of a time before the civilizing force had taken hold of man and that they would remember it with a wistful idea of an ideal state. The "good old days" are hardly a modern notion and if anything the idea of regression from a past ideal has been much more common than the modern cult of progress.

    I just decided to do a web search and unsurprisingly I'm not the only person who has though along similar lines. I know enough to know that no idea I have will ever likely be "original". However, I'm surprised that it isn't more common. It seemed rather obvious once it occurred to me.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    Your very private interpretation of the rise and fall of man’s existence in the garden of Eden is really very innately accurate, and like the ancient heathen Greeks is indeed based on a remembrance of an ideal past. You’re insights that the rise of civilization also gave way to the increase of sin and degeneracy is also quite accurate:

    We know that Adam and Eve were beguiled by the devil and did not want to collaborate with God; they desired to become gods not through humility, obedience, or love; but through their own power, their own willfulness-egotistically and autonomously. That is to say that the essence of the fall is egotism. Thus, by adopting egotism and self-assertion they separated themselves from God, and instead of attaining Theosis, they attained exactly the opposite: spiritual death…We all know the consequences of the fall. Separation from God threw man into carnal, bestial and demonic life. The brilliant creation of God fell seriously ill, almost to death. What had been made “in His image” was darkened. Since the fall, man no longer has the qualifications he needs to proceed to Theosis, as he had before he sinned. In this situation of grave illness, almost lifeless, he can no longer re-orient himself towards God. Thus there is a need for a new root for humanity; a need for a new man, who will be healthy and able to redirect the freedom of man towards God.

    But do not fear, for God the Creator did not leave civilizational man alone at this untenable and dark juncture, but left him with a new salvation, a new vision of his future, reunited with his Creator:

    This new root, the new man, is the God-Man, Jesus Christ, the Son and Logos of God, who incarnates to become the new root, the new beginning, the new leaven of humanity.

    Likewise, your insights about the darkened corner that the human race, including its rebellious nature has run into in its quest for a separate civilizational pull away from the Creator/God is also encapsulated most profoundly in the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel. The foundation and bricks are again starting to come apart and falling to the ground, can you feel this shift and ominous beginning once again? It all leads to a glorious future, however, for those whose faith is real and purified.

    http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis.aspx

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. I'm familiar with and appreciate the more Orthodox theologies (I grew up Roman Catholic but as a teenager we shifted to the Melkite Church).

    That is a good corollary on the Tower of Babel. I had forgotten about that in regards to my interpretation. I've been meaning to re-read Genesis since I had the thought a few days ago to see how it compares.

    Another point I was thinking about on sin. Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself. Therefore, for a child to act a certain way does not bear the same guilt as the same action in an adult who knows better.

    So too, if mankind was in a state of relative pre-civilizational innocence it could be said that there was no sin. As Genesis points out Adam and Eve's lack of shame concerning nakedness and their bodies, this is paralleled by the lack of shame primitive cultures have even today.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  118. @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    You can eagerly wait for the nuclear WWIII.

    I don't think we have any future outside of mutual extermination. It is basically the main theme of Revelations - a cosmic final battle between theological-ideological worldviews that terminates the old materialistic world, and then a restoration of the paradise, the mythical. It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious fundation.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious foundation.

    A foundation, however, that Europe is doing all that it can to distance itself from. This is most evident in the absolute absence of any reference within the European Union’s still unratified constitution of its Christian past. How would you interpret this glaring omission? It seems to indeed be “The stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone” (Psalm 118:22).

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    They can be the antithesis of Christian ideals, but they won't escape it. To escape it you need a totallyv different vocabulary, like a Pagan or Islamic one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  119. @German_reader
    @A123


    Child brides are normal in Islam
     
    There are certainly many dubious customs in the Islamic world, but the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
    (which you can find in five minutes via reverse image search)
    I mean, I'm not even entirely unsympathetic to your world view, but don't you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123, @Yevardian

    I wouldn’t really bother engaging with A123 on anything involving the Middle-East, Islam, Israel, or perhaps any serious topic in general.

    And yes, I sympathise as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself. Actually, as a teenager, I had somewhat similar views to A123 (i.e., a Zionist cheerleader, seeing it as ‘a Western bastion against the Islamic hordes’, dismissing any ‘pro-Arab’ views as leftist 3rd-world worship [I wouldn’t even consider reading N.Finkelstein at the time], etc.) although at some point I felt compelled to take a step back and critically re-examine my whole adolescent worldview
    Honestly, I don’t recall what specific item it was exactly, most likely it was simply the mounting pile of information, with the British Embassy Bombing, the USS Liberty, Israel’s incredible hypocrisy in refusing to recognise the Armenian genocide, the Lavon Plan, Israel’s early funding of Hamas.. or simply direct accounts from people like Robert Fisk.

    The thing is, it seems many people, after either discovering or growing up with this information, go the other direction and choose to see Arabs, or even Muslims more generally, purely as righteous victims, or even as political ‘allies’ (George Galloway is a prime example of someone going off the deep end, I suppose Israel Shamir too), which is a whole different brand of insanity.

    I was torn about this for a while, but I think a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism, as well at it being theologically, far, far closer to Islam than to Christianity, I felt a ‘gordion knot’ moment in many areas.
    The other thing is, even if Israel was founded at least ostensibly as a Western country, it’s become clear over the years, that its society, worldview and culture is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from the Arab shitholes that surround it. The most ironic thing is, this just makes the country more belligerent, inward-looking and supremacist, not less. Anyway, the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews ‘normal’ clearly lost. Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don’t really rate his political opinions on anything else.

    Eh, I read a garbage comment from A123, intended to put a sentence or two, and ended up typing out this screed. That’s the Unz review I guess.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Yevardian

    It's always the right thing to take the middle view - Arabs can be both aggressors & victims depending on their relative position to another regional or global power, and there hasn't been an Arab monolith, not at the height of Arab Socialism.

    , @German_reader
    @Yevardian

    My political evolution may not be entirely dissimilar from yours, I also was kind of pro-Israel as a teenager. The first step in evolving away from that position was the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002/03, when I was deeply irritated by the pro-war arguments by Jewish/Zionist authors I read in German media. They struck me as either dishonest or delusional, sometimes also clearly resentment-driven to an absurd degree. I have the same feelings today when reading much of the standard pro-Israel arguments.
    However I also agree with you that Westerners who get overly romantic about Islam or the Palestinians are very, very foolish.

    , @A123
    @Yevardian

    At least in part my zeal is a direct counter to the bizarre posters here that insist on blaming Jews for everything. Several posters use the term GloboHomo as a term to smear Jews. IslamoGloboHomo is a direct push back against them.

    If you can get the anti-Semites to behave more rationally, I could probably be convinced to moderate my stance on some points. I certainly would avoid terms like IslamoGloboHomo.
    _______

    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world. Three quick questions:

    -Q1- Who is the only hijab wearing Muslim in the U.S. House?
    -A1- Ilhan Omar

    -Q2- Who is a member of "The Squad"? The most SJW element of the U.S. political scene.
    -A2- Ilhan Omar

    -Q3- Can you name a U.S. national (or state) office, Muslim elected official that is *not* an advocate of SJW Globalism?
    -A3- There are none

    Ilhan Omar is not an unusual case. She is simply a bit more visible than other office holders. There is 100% Islamic conformity to SJW Globalist values with absolutely no outliers. This is a strong indicator that the attachment is fundamental, not incidental.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Coconuts

    , @Max Demian
    @Yevardian


    as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself
     
    When it comes to any entity as vast, complex, and diverse as Islam (or Judaism, or Christianity), one with numerous varied strains that often differ wildly from each other...

    Wouldn't any reasonably thorough, comprehensive, balanced, objective consideration yield a mixed view?

    Is there any faith that does not have at least some aspects that a non-believer would find odd at best; at worst, disturbing and even downright repugnant?


    a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism,
     
    Are we to take it, then, that you have simply accepted, unquestioningly, uncritically, fully and completely, Shahak's conclusions, characterizations, and assertions on the topic? Have you considered that Shahak may be less-than fully disinterested or objective in this area? Or even, perhaps, that he may even be less-than merely reasonable and responsible?

    Moreover, let us suppose for the moment that there were no particular reason to question Shahak's credibility in this regard any more than there would be for anyone else. How wise would it ever be to rely upon the conclusions, characterizations and assertions of any single individual, single school-of-thought, or single tendentious, vehemently and vigorously disputed point-of-view? To do so as a basis to conclusively form (and, according to your writing, in your case radically transform) one's own views? To do all that for a topic as vast, complex, difficult, and fraught as the one in question? (One that requires, among other things, extensive familiarity with copious ancient texts that are written in archaic languages.)


    even if Israel was [sic] founded[...] the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews ‘normal’ clearly lost.
     
    Are you not conflating Zionism with Judaism; Zionists and the State of Israel with Jews? Are not each of the aforementioned entities, while overlapping, nonetheless distinct from each other?

    (Surely, you must be aware that neither are all Jews Zionists, nor all Zionists Jews, etc., etc. Many are surprised to learn that in fact, (a) Zionism was condemned by a consensus of the leading rabbis of the time; and (b) to this day, there remain both many rabbis as well as many deeply religious Jews who consider Zionism nothing less-than antithetical to Judaism. Christian Zionism actually predates the Jewish variety.)

    Do you view Jews as a monolithic entity?


    Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don’t really rate his political opinions on anything else.
     
    Concerning the former, one might ask: Did you actually subject-to and find to withstand due scrutiny Atzmon's arguments/conclusions/assertions? Or did you merely find in them eloquent articulations of conclusions that you had already been at least inclined considerably toward?

    Replies: @iffen, @AaronB, @Yevardian

  120. @Barbarossa
    I meant to throw this comment AaronB's way in the last thread since we share a techno-skepticism, but perhaps if he's lurking around this thread he'll see it (or anyone else who may find it of interest).

    The thought crossed my mind the other day that the Biblical Genesis narrative seems to be a very fitting and accurate description of humanity's shift from a hunter gatherer existence to that of a civilized, agriculturally based society.

    Adam and Eve represent man in his natural state, existing in a state of harmony with nature and God. In certain environments with plentiful resources the hunter gatherer life would indeed be a kind of garden of Eden and even modern studies of extent primitive peoples show that they spend very little time doing "work" and have large amount of free recreational time.

    The civilizational drive pushing for ever more, represented by the consuming of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, sets man in a state of opposition and domination to his environment; in a sense usurping the position of God as sovereign of Earth.

    This naturally ejects man from the Garden since having tasted the fruits of ambition he can never return to that comparative state of simplicity and innocence.

    However the rigors of civilization are many and now man must earn his bread by dint of great effort. Interestingly, I remember reading that it seems as though humans were more malnourished during the earliest period of agricultural civilization and skeletal size decreased. Once a critical mass was reached this was reversed, but it does go to show that agriculture really is exponentially harder than just following food sources from place to place (I know I sometimes feel that my few livestock are getting the better end of our transaction!)

    Civilization also greatly increases the scope for human sin. Greed, aquisitiveness, or jealousy can hardly have much scope in a group where everyone has to carry their few goods from place to place. So we see the fruits of these vices in the story of Cain and Abel and the expanding degeneracy of mankind as he spreads and establishes towns, cities, and empires.

    On reflection it seems not the least surprising that ancient peoples would have a passed down ancestral memory of a time before the civilizing force had taken hold of man and that they would remember it with a wistful idea of an ideal state. The "good old days" are hardly a modern notion and if anything the idea of regression from a past ideal has been much more common than the modern cult of progress.

    I just decided to do a web search and unsurprisingly I'm not the only person who has though along similar lines. I know enough to know that no idea I have will ever likely be "original". However, I'm surprised that it isn't more common. It seemed rather obvious once it occurred to me.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mr. Hack, @AaronB

    I don’t always post, but I always lurk 🙂

    I agree with this completely. You are quite correct Barbarossa, and I believe the fact that this spontaneously occurred to you – it did to me, also, only recently in the last few weeks – is a sign, and means more and more of us are, in the depths of our unconscious, coming to certain realizations.

    Here is the inimitable Paul Kingsnorth writing beautifully recently on just this theme –

    Let me tell you a story.

    This story begins in a garden, at the very beginning of all things. All life can be found in this garden: every living being, every bird and animal, every tree and plant. Humans live here too, and so does the creator of all of it, the source of everything, and he is so close that he can be seen and heard and spoken to. Everything walks in the garden together. Everything is in communion. It is a picture of integration.

    At the centre of this garden grows a tree, the fruit of which imparts hidden knowledge. The humans – the last creature to be formed by the creator – will be ready to eat this fruit one day, and when they do they will gain this knowledge and be able to use it wisely for the benefit of themselves and of all other things that live in the garden. But they are not ready yet. The humans are still young, and unlike the rest of creation they are only partially formed. If they ate from the tree now, the consequences would be terrible.

    Do not eat that fruit, the creator tells them. Eat anything else you like, but not that.

    We know the next part of the story because it is still happening to us all the time. Why should you not eat the fruit? says the voice of the tempting serpent, the voice from the undergrowth of our minds. Why should you not have the power that you are worthy of? Why should this creator keep it all for himself? Why should you listen to him? He just wants to keep you down. Eat the fruit. It’s your right. You’re worth it!

    So we eat the fruit, and we see that we are naked and we become ashamed. Our mind is filled with questions, the gears inside it begin to whir and turn and suddenly now here is us and them, here is humanity and nature, here is people and God. A portcullis of words descends between us and the other creatures in the garden, and we can never go home again. We fall into dis-integration and we fall out of the garden forever. Armed angels are set at the gates; even if we find our way back to the garden again we cannot re-enter. The state of questless ease that was our birthright is gone. We chose knowledge over communion; we chose power over humility.

    The Earth is our home now.

    This Earth is a broken version of the garden; of our original integration with creator and creation. On Earth we must toil to break the soil, to plant seeds, to fight off predators. We will sicken and die. Everything is eating everything else. There is war and dominion and misery. There is beauty and love and friendship too, but all of it ends in death. These are the consequences of our pursuit of knowledge and power, but we keep pursuing them because we know no other way out. We keep building towers and cities and forgetting where we came from. Outside of the garden, we are homeless and can never be still. We forget the creator and worship ourselves. All of this happens inside us every day.

    There comes a time when the creator takes pity. After so many centuries of this, after so many years of humans missing the mark, of wandering from the path, of rising and falling and warring and dying, of eating the fruit again and again, the creator stages an intervention. He comes to Earth in human form to show us the way back home. Most people don’t listen, naturally, and we all know how the story ends. God himself walks on Earth and what does humanity do? We torture and kill him.

    But the joke is on us, because it turns out that this was the point all along. The way of this creator is not the way of power but of humility, not of conquest but of sacrifice. When he comes to Earth he comes not as warlord, king or high priest, but as a barefoot artisan in an obscure desert province. He walks with the downtrodden and the rejected, he scorns wealth and power and through his death he conquers death itself, and releases us from our bondage. He gives us a way out; a way back home. But we have to work at it. The path back to the garden can only be found by giving up the vainglory, the search for power and the unearned knowledge which got us exiled in the first place. The path is the path of renunciation, of love and of sacrifice. To get back to the garden, we have to go through the cross.

    Now imagine that a whole culture is built around this story. Imagine that this culture survives for over a thousand years, building layer upon layer of meaning, tradition, innovation and creation, however imperfectly, on these foundations.

    Then imagine that this culture dies, leaving only ruins.

    If you live in the West, you do not have to imagine any of this. You are living among those ruins, and you have been all your life. Many of them are still beautiful – intact cathedrals, Bach concertos – but they are ruins nonetheless. They are the remains of something called ‘Christendom’, a 1500-year civilisation in which this particular sacred story seeped into and formed every aspect of life, bending and changing and transforming everything in this story’s image.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
    @AaronB

    Apparently Ghislaine Maxwell attorney's opening statement drew upon the analogy of Adam-Eve-Eden. He said it wasn't Eve's fault just like Ghislaine is not guilty either.

    Also he compared Jeffrey Epstein to James Bond so his defense is going to be creative if it isn't effective. I found it pretty damn weird.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/epstein-james-bond-ghislaine-maxwell-trial-b1966427.html

    Who gets to be Captain Kirk? I see on the front page that Fauci is Darth Vader.

  121. @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon


    It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious foundation.
     
    A foundation, however, that Europe is doing all that it can to distance itself from. This is most evident in the absolute absence of any reference within the European Union's still unratified constitution of its Christian past. How would you interpret this glaring omission? It seems to indeed be "The stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone" (Psalm 118:22).

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    They can be the antithesis of Christian ideals, but they won’t escape it. To escape it you need a totallyv different vocabulary, like a Pagan or Islamic one.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    Preposterous! If the Truth leaves a waning taste in these new apostles of Paganism and nature worship, no iteration of pantheism will be found to satisfy the human soul. Worshiping the creation instead of the Creator is a fool's paradise. Islam is losing adherents in Europe to secularism too.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  122. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't really bother engaging with A123 on anything involving the Middle-East, Islam, Israel, or perhaps any serious topic in general.

    And yes, I sympathise as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself. Actually, as a teenager, I had somewhat similar views to A123 (i.e., a Zionist cheerleader, seeing it as 'a Western bastion against the Islamic hordes', dismissing any 'pro-Arab' views as leftist 3rd-world worship [I wouldn't even consider reading N.Finkelstein at the time], etc.) although at some point I felt compelled to take a step back and critically re-examine my whole adolescent worldview
    Honestly, I don't recall what specific item it was exactly, most likely it was simply the mounting pile of information, with the British Embassy Bombing, the USS Liberty, Israel's incredible hypocrisy in refusing to recognise the Armenian genocide, the Lavon Plan, Israel's early funding of Hamas.. or simply direct accounts from people like Robert Fisk.

    The thing is, it seems many people, after either discovering or growing up with this information, go the other direction and choose to see Arabs, or even Muslims more generally, purely as righteous victims, or even as political 'allies' (George Galloway is a prime example of someone going off the deep end, I suppose Israel Shamir too), which is a whole different brand of insanity.

    I was torn about this for a while, but I think a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism, as well at it being theologically, far, far closer to Islam than to Christianity, I felt a 'gordion knot' moment in many areas.
    The other thing is, even if Israel was founded at least ostensibly as a Western country, it's become clear over the years, that its society, worldview and culture is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from the Arab shitholes that surround it. The most ironic thing is, this just makes the country more belligerent, inward-looking and supremacist, not less. Anyway, the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews 'normal' clearly lost. Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don't really rate his political opinions on anything else.

    Eh, I read a garbage comment from A123, intended to put a sentence or two, and ended up typing out this screed. That's the Unz review I guess.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @German_reader, @A123, @Max Demian

    It’s always the right thing to take the middle view – Arabs can be both aggressors & victims depending on their relative position to another regional or global power, and there hasn’t been an Arab monolith, not at the height of Arab Socialism.

  123. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    They can be the antithesis of Christian ideals, but they won't escape it. To escape it you need a totallyv different vocabulary, like a Pagan or Islamic one.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Preposterous! If the Truth leaves a waning taste in these new apostles of Paganism and nature worship, no iteration of pantheism will be found to satisfy the human soul. Worshiping the creation instead of the Creator is a fool’s paradise. Islam is losing adherents in Europe to secularism too.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    I would say that liberalism or wokeism is really a highly degenerate form of the Christian ethos. I think this is what Yellowface Anon is getting at. While it is opposed to traditional Christianity and morality it still springs from that tradition.

    The bleeding heart SJW could spring out of no other tradition than that of Christian charity. Liberalism keeps the transcendence of Christianity's Kingdom of Heaven which is within, but places the realization of that kingdom squarely within the realm of direct government action.

    I'm not really sure that Paganism is any major cultural force at all. I would say certainly not in the US though I can't speak for Europe.

    Paganism, at least the traditional paganism (if such a generalization can have any meaning) seems to essentially take the world as it is. The current liberal worship of progressiveism seems to have little to do with paganism's naturalism.

  124. @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    Preposterous! If the Truth leaves a waning taste in these new apostles of Paganism and nature worship, no iteration of pantheism will be found to satisfy the human soul. Worshiping the creation instead of the Creator is a fool's paradise. Islam is losing adherents in Europe to secularism too.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I would say that liberalism or wokeism is really a highly degenerate form of the Christian ethos. I think this is what Yellowface Anon is getting at. While it is opposed to traditional Christianity and morality it still springs from that tradition.

    The bleeding heart SJW could spring out of no other tradition than that of Christian charity. Liberalism keeps the transcendence of Christianity’s Kingdom of Heaven which is within, but places the realization of that kingdom squarely within the realm of direct government action.

    I’m not really sure that Paganism is any major cultural force at all. I would say certainly not in the US though I can’t speak for Europe.

    Paganism, at least the traditional paganism (if such a generalization can have any meaning) seems to essentially take the world as it is. The current liberal worship of progressiveism seems to have little to do with paganism’s naturalism.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  125. I miss the time not long ago when you & Almost Missouri are debating on fiscal & banking policies, mal. Need to know where the numbers in my bank account are going, so I can decide if I should start taking them out of the system or not.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    I agree, that was an epic back and forth.

    I'm feeling the same way on money. I run my own business and I long ago decided to keep cash reserves low in favor of keeping debt minimal and equipment paid for and maintained.

    On a personal level my retirement is my property, durable goods, and children. I have nothing in the stock market and I have no expectation that social security will exist when I'm ready to cash in (since I'm mid 30's). I've felt that the stock market was a house of cards for years and have had no interest in playing that game.

    Right now, I making sure I have everything I need since things are getting more expensive by leaps and bounds. I'm only keeping enough cash on hand to keep expense flow smooth since I'm nervous about where we are headed.

    That is only my observation and practices. How will it fare? I guess we'll find out.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  126. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    Jazz music obviously attracts a lot of more very nerdy and rich people, which can see from the prices of the out of print recordings (people spending thousands of dollars for out of print CD boxsets). I wonder if it is related to having music lessons when young.

    But in Jazz music it has a more multi-national audience.

    While classical music fans seem to be filtering for nerdy, rich and Jewish people. Which you saw from how the classical music blogs, are about reporting about 30% reporting Jewish news. The most popular classical music blog, Slipped Disc I'm always laughing to read it was like 50% of Holocaust related trivial news, in between complaining about concert hall acoustics of London.
    https://slippedisc.com/?s=jewish

    Unfortunately, classical music seems to be increasingly older people listening to. So it's like classical music fans are becoming a centre of old Jewish nerds.

    I wonder if Jazz can still maintain some younger audience. Jazz music fans were traditionally younger people. But I feel like the jazz writers nowadays are also old people talking about their investments in the stock market.

    At least, visual modern art (unlike music) still has young fans from what I saw. When you go to art gallery with modern art, it still seems there are a lot of young hipsters still love 20th century painting. I guess in cities like New York, London, Paris, there are mostly still 25 year old people going to the art gallery, and flooding any modern art exhibition.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    It’s Asians, both in Asia and together with some whites in the USA, who will keep classical music alive.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-future-of-classical-music-is-chinese/2019/03/22/2649e9dc-4cb5-11e9-93d0-64dbcf38ba41_story.html

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  127. @A123
    @German_reader


    the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.
     
    I concur. The top 4 parties in Germany support massive immigration inflows.

    The problem for the German people is that those around them are learning the Truth. Open [Muslim] Borders are a mistake. They can never assimilate, engage in religious discrimination, and bring crime with them. (1)


    Muslim Attacks on Christian Churches

    France: On October 11, an illegal Muslim migrant from North Africa barged into the Notre-Dame de l'Assomption Basilica in Nice, a city that has a significant Muslim population. He began to "scream in Arabic" and spit on the church's floor. He left, only to return 10 minutes later and resume his yelling and spitting; he also began to threaten the sacristan, who contacted police. Although the Muslim migrant tried to escape, police managed to apprehend him. Three months earlier, in July, another Muslim was arrested after entering the same basilica and shouting at the congregants, "I'm going to come back and I'll kill you all." And a year earlier, on October 29, 2020, a Muslim terrorist slaughtered three Christians in the same basilica.

    Germany: A migrant from Afghanistan vandalized church property in the city of Nordhausen. The man, who came to Germany as an "asylum seeker" in 2015, was found angrily removing many of the church's objects—including the crucifix that hung on its main wall, altar items, and hymn books—out of the church building. When the pastor confronted him about his actions, the man replied that he "can't accept the Christian faith." According to the October 30 report:


    "The 'refugee' describes the Christian faith as 'wrong' and takes the view that it is fundamentally a mistake that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is why he felt compelled to redecorate such a house of worship... He made his point of view clear that he cannot accept the Christian faith."
     
    Police were eventually called and the man expelled from the premises. Some of the church's items were damaged by him, including the Christ figure which broke off the cross; and "a showcase inside the church was also broken into and cleared out."
     
    Ultimately, the only solution for Europe will be returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    There is one huge upside to all of this. Hypocrisy will prevent Europe from objecting when others follow their precedent -- Returns for Me, but not for Thee! is a very hollow concept. The solution for Palestine is also returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Pericles, @RadicalCenter

    You’ve almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous “Jews” to their European or other homelands (the Ashkenazi, who constitute the majority in Israel, typically being 40-50% genetically white European, most often Italian).

    • Replies: @A123
    @RadicalCenter


    You’ve almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous “Jews”
     
    ROTFLMAO

    Here is an easy test. What is the number of Muslims in Palestine at the following dates:

    -- 400 BC?
    -- 200 BC?
    -- 0 BC/AD?
    -- 200 AD?
    -- 400 AD?

    The correct answer is NONE. Non indigenous Islam was forced on Palestine by Jihadist Settlers ~600 AD. The Non-native, invasive Muslim belief system established colonies. Infidel (Jewish & Christian) land has bern occupied for 1,400 years.

    Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
        Muslim Decolonization is the Answer

    ____

    The only two indigenous faiths (Judaism and Christianity) will have to reach a long term arrangement for their presence in Palestine. However, without the violent provocation of Colonial Jihadists, there is plenty of opportunity to meet everyone's needs. Christians are mostly interested in New Testament sites that have little interest to Jews.

    PEACE 😇
  128. @Mr. Hack
    @Barbarossa

    Your very private interpretation of the rise and fall of man's existence in the garden of Eden is really very innately accurate, and like the ancient heathen Greeks is indeed based on a remembrance of an ideal past. You're insights that the rise of civilization also gave way to the increase of sin and degeneracy is also quite accurate:


    We know that Adam and Eve were beguiled by the devil and did not want to collaborate with God; they desired to become gods not through humility, obedience, or love; but through their own power, their own willfulness-egotistically and autonomously. That is to say that the essence of the fall is egotism. Thus, by adopting egotism and self-assertion they separated themselves from God, and instead of attaining Theosis, they attained exactly the opposite: spiritual death...We all know the consequences of the fall. Separation from God threw man into carnal, bestial and demonic life. The brilliant creation of God fell seriously ill, almost to death. What had been made "in His image" was darkened. Since the fall, man no longer has the qualifications he needs to proceed to Theosis, as he had before he sinned. In this situation of grave illness, almost lifeless, he can no longer re-orient himself towards God. Thus there is a need for a new root for humanity; a need for a new man, who will be healthy and able to redirect the freedom of man towards God.
     
    But do not fear, for God the Creator did not leave civilizational man alone at this untenable and dark juncture, but left him with a new salvation, a new vision of his future, reunited with his Creator:

    This new root, the new man, is the God-Man, Jesus Christ, the Son and Logos of God, who incarnates to become the new root, the new beginning, the new leaven of humanity.

     

    Likewise, your insights about the darkened corner that the human race, including its rebellious nature has run into in its quest for a separate civilizational pull away from the Creator/God is also encapsulated most profoundly in the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel. The foundation and bricks are again starting to come apart and falling to the ground, can you feel this shift and ominous beginning once again? It all leads to a glorious future, however, for those whose faith is real and purified.

    http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis.aspx

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Thanks. I’m familiar with and appreciate the more Orthodox theologies (I grew up Roman Catholic but as a teenager we shifted to the Melkite Church).

    That is a good corollary on the Tower of Babel. I had forgotten about that in regards to my interpretation. I’ve been meaning to re-read Genesis since I had the thought a few days ago to see how it compares.

    Another point I was thinking about on sin. Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself. Therefore, for a child to act a certain way does not bear the same guilt as the same action in an adult who knows better.

    So too, if mankind was in a state of relative pre-civilizational innocence it could be said that there was no sin. As Genesis points out Adam and Eve’s lack of shame concerning nakedness and their bodies, this is paralleled by the lack of shame primitive cultures have even today.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa


    Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself.
     
    So sins are morally and/or religiously objectionable ideas, instead of the behaviors these usually manifest in?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  129. @A123
    @Coconuts


    What constitutes SJWism?
     
    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values is the core of SJW Globalism.

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena.
     
    Clearly anti-factual. MegaCorporations and SJW's are a single, cohesive, inseparable whole. Consider this Islamic display.

     
    https://www.gaycitynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ChasePrideIS.jpg
     

    IslamoGloboHomo is unified.


    The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.
     
    Again, anti-factual.

    Preying on prepubescent children is normal for SJW Islam:
    -- Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9
    -- Child brides are normal in Islam

     
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Wohnk3cp5BA/maxresdefault.jpg
     

    The Woke-slam of Muhammad embraces SJW ideals. Again, you can see the total convergence. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is what you will see.

     
    https://thejewishvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/FOR-E-MAIL-BLAST-Major-Jewish-article-600x320.jpg
     

    Islamic BLM is a core SJW movement rooted in hatred for Judeo-Christians.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Replies: @German_reader, @German_reader, @RadicalCenter

    Too bad those Muslims are pedophile perverts, not normal well-adjusted people like the Jews who “ritually” suck from a newborn baby’s penis. Sick hypocrite self-worshipping inbreds — and I don’t just mean those Muslims.

  130. @Yellowface Anon
    I miss the time not long ago when you & Almost Missouri are debating on fiscal & banking policies, mal. Need to know where the numbers in my bank account are going, so I can decide if I should start taking them out of the system or not.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    I agree, that was an epic back and forth.

    I’m feeling the same way on money. I run my own business and I long ago decided to keep cash reserves low in favor of keeping debt minimal and equipment paid for and maintained.

    On a personal level my retirement is my property, durable goods, and children. I have nothing in the stock market and I have no expectation that social security will exist when I’m ready to cash in (since I’m mid 30’s). I’ve felt that the stock market was a house of cards for years and have had no interest in playing that game.

    Right now, I making sure I have everything I need since things are getting more expensive by leaps and bounds. I’m only keeping enough cash on hand to keep expense flow smooth since I’m nervous about where we are headed.

    That is only my observation and practices. How will it fare? I guess we’ll find out.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa

    I'm that conservative-ish grad who actually has a small but tidy sum in my account, more than enough to get ahead of student loan payments. This is HK & not the states...

    Conservative-ish grads are not as rare as the vocal woke students makes out to be, but they're usually elsewhere online. Feeling extremely awkward to chat with a bunch of boomers in the comment session!

  131. Anyone else feel the need to splurge because of inflation?

    Especially, I have this weird desire to buy dozens of things that are \$0.99 or \$1 because I know intuitively that those price points will be eternally gone and the US dollar will never bounce back, but will continue to decline. Things that I do not need or want. Not sure if it is some weird type of nostalgia about my distant youth, or an atavism from a time even before money.

    [MORE]

    Similarly, I feel the urge to buy extremely cheap electronics, even though I could not possibly use them (since I already have such), though so far, I have resisted all these urges.

    I wonder if newer generations will feel quite the same way. Almost certainly they will be radically effected by inflation, but I was thinking about how a lot of payments are electronic nowadays, so there isn’t that almost mystical feeling one has, of not needing to break a big bill, or of not needing to go over the value of a small one.

    BTW, related to above, I have the vague suspicion that switching to decimal currency helped cause inflation. And possibly a similar argument could be made for switching to the Euro, which is a transnational currency, which probably has its own negative effect, but I mean the prices changing from the switch-over.

    I predict that before the last dollar stores up their prices, crowds will rush into them and nearly empty them. Why exactly, I cannot say. Maybe, it is the disease of consumerism. Or maybe it really is something timeless going back to our farmer or herder ancestors, or even before them to the days of hunter-gatherers.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @songbird

    I understand the impulse you are describing but for me it's not directed at little stuff.

    I just finished up an addition on my house and I have another one planned. I'm buying as much material as I can now for the one next year. I'm getting a new set of batteries for my off-grid solar system and fixing all the little broken tools and equipment that has been languishing.

    Things like the work on my own house has gotten kicked down the line for years now, since I'm always busy with work, but I'm feeling like the time to move on it is now.

    I'm feeling overall that it will harder to do this stuff in the future and I'm trying to set myself up favorably.

    As I said to Yellowface Anon I'm seeing so much activity in my own business and everyone else I talk to who has a business, that I think we are far from alone in our buying urges.

    Maybe this will pass and we will go back to business as usual, I don't know. I'm feeling like the economic "adults" in the room have no more of a handle on things than we do, so it doesn't inspire confidence.

    , @sher singh
    @songbird

    Crypto.

    Replies: @songbird

  132. @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    I agree, that was an epic back and forth.

    I'm feeling the same way on money. I run my own business and I long ago decided to keep cash reserves low in favor of keeping debt minimal and equipment paid for and maintained.

    On a personal level my retirement is my property, durable goods, and children. I have nothing in the stock market and I have no expectation that social security will exist when I'm ready to cash in (since I'm mid 30's). I've felt that the stock market was a house of cards for years and have had no interest in playing that game.

    Right now, I making sure I have everything I need since things are getting more expensive by leaps and bounds. I'm only keeping enough cash on hand to keep expense flow smooth since I'm nervous about where we are headed.

    That is only my observation and practices. How will it fare? I guess we'll find out.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    I’m that conservative-ish grad who actually has a small but tidy sum in my account, more than enough to get ahead of student loan payments. This is HK & not the states…

    Conservative-ish grads are not as rare as the vocal woke students makes out to be, but they’re usually elsewhere online. Feeling extremely awkward to chat with a bunch of boomers in the comment session!

  133. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't really bother engaging with A123 on anything involving the Middle-East, Islam, Israel, or perhaps any serious topic in general.

    And yes, I sympathise as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself. Actually, as a teenager, I had somewhat similar views to A123 (i.e., a Zionist cheerleader, seeing it as 'a Western bastion against the Islamic hordes', dismissing any 'pro-Arab' views as leftist 3rd-world worship [I wouldn't even consider reading N.Finkelstein at the time], etc.) although at some point I felt compelled to take a step back and critically re-examine my whole adolescent worldview
    Honestly, I don't recall what specific item it was exactly, most likely it was simply the mounting pile of information, with the British Embassy Bombing, the USS Liberty, Israel's incredible hypocrisy in refusing to recognise the Armenian genocide, the Lavon Plan, Israel's early funding of Hamas.. or simply direct accounts from people like Robert Fisk.

    The thing is, it seems many people, after either discovering or growing up with this information, go the other direction and choose to see Arabs, or even Muslims more generally, purely as righteous victims, or even as political 'allies' (George Galloway is a prime example of someone going off the deep end, I suppose Israel Shamir too), which is a whole different brand of insanity.

    I was torn about this for a while, but I think a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism, as well at it being theologically, far, far closer to Islam than to Christianity, I felt a 'gordion knot' moment in many areas.
    The other thing is, even if Israel was founded at least ostensibly as a Western country, it's become clear over the years, that its society, worldview and culture is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from the Arab shitholes that surround it. The most ironic thing is, this just makes the country more belligerent, inward-looking and supremacist, not less. Anyway, the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews 'normal' clearly lost. Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don't really rate his political opinions on anything else.

    Eh, I read a garbage comment from A123, intended to put a sentence or two, and ended up typing out this screed. That's the Unz review I guess.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @German_reader, @A123, @Max Demian

    My political evolution may not be entirely dissimilar from yours, I also was kind of pro-Israel as a teenager. The first step in evolving away from that position was the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002/03, when I was deeply irritated by the pro-war arguments by Jewish/Zionist authors I read in German media. They struck me as either dishonest or delusional, sometimes also clearly resentment-driven to an absurd degree. I have the same feelings today when reading much of the standard pro-Israel arguments.
    However I also agree with you that Westerners who get overly romantic about Islam or the Palestinians are very, very foolish.

  134. @Pericles
    @sudden death

    Sweden has gone nuclear retard too which adds to the power crunch since we export a substantial part of what is generated.

    In an earlier era, Sweden got roughly 90% of its power from hydro and nuclear. Then it was decided to switch to solar and wind and gradually shut down the nuclear plants. Unexplainably, now power prices are skyrocketing and the government have ordered to start burning oil to try to replace the loss, LOL YOLO.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Conventional nuclear advocates have to grapple with the fact that costs are prohibitive too. The trendlines are not improving.

    At any rate, this discussion ignores the fact that fusion energy has been making huge strides lately, not just in the US but also in China. Much of this discussion is stuck in the past.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    @Thulean Friend

    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  135. @Barbarossa
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. I'm familiar with and appreciate the more Orthodox theologies (I grew up Roman Catholic but as a teenager we shifted to the Melkite Church).

    That is a good corollary on the Tower of Babel. I had forgotten about that in regards to my interpretation. I've been meaning to re-read Genesis since I had the thought a few days ago to see how it compares.

    Another point I was thinking about on sin. Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself. Therefore, for a child to act a certain way does not bear the same guilt as the same action in an adult who knows better.

    So too, if mankind was in a state of relative pre-civilizational innocence it could be said that there was no sin. As Genesis points out Adam and Eve's lack of shame concerning nakedness and their bodies, this is paralleled by the lack of shame primitive cultures have even today.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself.

    So sins are morally and/or religiously objectionable ideas, instead of the behaviors these usually manifest in?

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Yellowface Anon

    Sin is ultimately about culpability. Therefore when my 2 year old hits one of his older sisters it is still a negative thing, but he does not fully understand the implications of the blow.

    If I were to hit my wife it would be a far different matter because I know better and understand the harm it would cause both physical and psychological.

    In both cases the act of striking another is the same, and it is still negative in both cases, but the culpability or "sin" if you will, is far different.

    That is also why sin is harmful to the sinner, because the act of overcoming one's conscience is a form of spiritual and mental self harm.

  136. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    don’t think I read all of AK’s piece Karlin’s views aren’t sincere
     
    I also for years was never reading his posts (not from lack of respect, but because my attention span was too short to read a long blog article), and just skim reading the comments. But I should read his posts and enjoy them, because they are very clever if you see the ironic angle he uses.

    You can't miss how funny his writing is, and how much he is trolling. Now re-read, and you can see he has a very strong humour.

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view - which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism. His views mostly consistent and his support for Putin is not a contradiction.

    Look in the article and you can see how he embeds these jokes.

    Nationalism for him, means that you can enjoy Vietnamese food, in an Armenian owned shopping mall. Nationalists in Russia hate especially Armenians owning the businesses, so he knows how to troll hard. Nationalists in Russia also are kind of people who might really talk about trying to eat only "historical slavic foods" (I'm not joking).

    https://i.imgur.com/m53Np5g.jpg

    His joke is "nationalism must be successful, as it mysteriously "self-annihilates". It's because the FSB has priority target to destroy nationalism, as viewed as one of the main threats to the state. But the joke about "self-annihilates" is really funny as a joke about a false naivety.
    https://i.imgur.com/I5kbQ8d.jpg

    And he likes Margarita Simonyan to really troll.

    This is a brown Armenian woman, who has a kind of Armenian criminal family that steals openly money from the Russian budget (they employ every imaginable relative from this Armenian family, to take as much money from the budget). She promotes some imperialist views though.

    If you want to hear pro-LGBT, Russian liberals to start saying racist things, you can say how "Margarita Simonyan". On the Russian liberal sites, they all liberals start writing racist comments. Funny way to troll them.
    https://i.imgur.com/R0x00Bn.jpg


    “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies)
     
    Bashibuzuk is Russian. He is kind of angry because he doesn't have any "fashionable" Jewish or German, etc, ancestry. Baltic there is actually very good writer LatW here.

    grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic
     
    Yes I remember he posts a DNA test, which showed majority Slavic ancestry in his family. However, racist people in Russia, judge on appearance. They are not usually some "intellectuals interested in DNA mitochondria sequencing".

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum "Dvach", they were posting Karlin's photos of family, and they does indeed look like Middle Eastern relative (like darker than some Arabs). So his family would be a direct target of the violent nationalists, that Putin has crushed in the last two decades.

    Fortunately, these violent racists have been imprisoned, and their groups are broken by Putin. Fortunately, streets in Russia are safe for people of all origins, and nobody will attack Karlin's family. But it's a funny trolling of such blog against the violent hooligans who could have been dangerous in streets for the blog authors.


    tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia,

     

    And not recently. Russian Empire itself was ruled with help of a multinational aristocracy (including significant Caucasian aristocrats), and constantly adding new nationalities through conquests.

    Even with the high literacy nationalities, it's not like Lithuanians, Jews, have immigrated to Russia voluntarily. Empress Ekaterina II takes their homelands (and started to settle them soon in the Crimea) - Russian Empire demanded homelands of these nationalities in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against Polish demands. And Estonians were conquered and incorporated in Great Northern War.

    Multinationality in Russian Empire and later Soviet Union is one of the more direct results of Russian/Soviet imperialism, although until the Russian Federation there has not been a complete absence of internal border.

    Through the 19th century, Russian Empire is trying to crush nationalisms, and import imperialist ideologies to unsettle rival empires, like pan-Slavism.

    Meanwhile, rival empires, are trying to unsettle internally the Russian Empire, by promoting nationalisms within the Russian empire.


    nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians
     
    And Ukrainians, Tatars (see "Timati"), Bashkirs (yes still relevant - see "Morgenshtern"), Germans, Jews, Udmurts (yes in Russia, also there is a bit of traditional racism against physical appearance of Udmurts, is still sensitive topic). etc.

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like "Ukrainians don't exist" is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    Nowadays, for example, Ukrainians are supposedly spreading a lot of anti-vax propaganda in Russia (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/11/24/70273676.).
    Without a strong amount of imperialism, there isn't such a good motive to try to incorporate nationalities which are hostile to it. That is, you need to be very imperialism, to want to take into Russia, Ukraine, as there would have to be strong imposition of Russification within the Ukrainian territory.

    In a descriptive sense, I think Ukrainians are basically - Russians. (Even bodylanguage is the same). But in the political sense, you have to be having crazy doses of imperialism to want to conquer Ukraine, say "Ukrainians don't exist", and incorporate a hostile population.


    y resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.
     
    I'm pretty sure you know more history than all of us. So you are probably the only person who has professional knowledge to judge anything about European history here.

    That's also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    Replies: @sudden death, @German_reader, @Coconuts

    Bashibuzuk is Russian.

    I know, but he espoused a sort of pan-Slavic sentiment, with heavy focus on the pre-Christian past (e. g. iirc he seemed interested in the Wends and regarded their Germanization/Christianization as a tragedy), and to some extent included Balts in that as well. It’s not a perspective I’m particularly sympathetic to (nationalists going on and on about some golden age in the remote pre-historic past, before “corruption” set in, always strike me as a bit silly), but the contrast with Karlin’s views was very interesting to see.

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum “Dvach”, they were posting Karlin’s photos of family

    Didn’t know that, sounds disturbing.

    I’m pretty sure you know more history than all of us.

    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

    That’s also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    Academic historians also often have a certain agenda, and that’s especially the case for a lot of 20th century history, which is still “hot” and relevant to the self-conception of many people.
    Kholmogorov’s essays with their imperialist mindset were indeed hard to stomach though.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    Kholmogorov
     
    It's a kind of astroturfed mini-celebrity who is self-presenting as "nationalist", but writes pro-government, imperialist (i.e. especially anti-Ukraine) comments.

    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.

    Kholmogorov does read history books, and presents as a cultured person, but he doesn't have academic qualification (outside highschool I guess). So it's not like you should argue with him as if with a historian. It's a publicist.

    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he's probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.

    How does all this relate to our modest forum?

    Just I guess that Bashibuzuk was smoking cannabis, and became paranoid when he saw that Karlin was friendly with Kholmogorov.

    If Karlin knows Kholmogorov, you can see then there are only a few degrees of separation from the government. Although this is paranoia as people like Kholmogorov are a terminal in the relation of the government to the public. (I'm not saying Karlin has any connection to the government at all, but rather that this might be why Bashibuzuk acted paranoid and blanked his archive).


    Didn’t know that, sounds disturbing.
     
    Yes maybe some stalkers, and presenting as "Russian nationalist", means that you engage with a demographic who is not exactly the most kindly people and mentally balanced.

    Isn't that they say about being an internet celebrity? You can have problems of real celebrities (stalkers, etc), but without the benefits (wealth, glamor).

    That said he writes for a small cognoscenti and he is a not a beautiful woman, so I doubt he will attract any dangerous stalkers.

    Dvach is like Russian 4chan, so you expect weird people to post on there.


    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

     

    Although (with liar paradox included) what you read in internet is mostly "trash information".

    There are ways historians to receive a kind of first-person information in the internet though, through social media and so on.

    Replies: @German_reader

  137. @Thulean Friend
    @Pericles

    Conventional nuclear advocates have to grapple with the fact that costs are prohibitive too. The trendlines are not improving.

    At any rate, this discussion ignores the fact that fusion energy has been making huge strides lately, not just in the US but also in China. Much of this discussion is stuck in the past.

    Replies: @Dan Hayes

    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Dan Hayes


    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?
     
    That was my initial reaction too. The largest fusion project is in France, called ITER, which uses legacy 'tokamak' technology. This technology was initially pioneered by the Soviets way back during the Cold War.

    Not surprisingly, ITER has been notoriously overrunning their budget and timetable. What is new is that this old Tokamak technology has been ditched. Helion energy uses a completely different approach, with the founder likening it to regenerative braking on an EV. The Chinese are not far behind, using lasers instead.

    This is the major change. Fusion is no longer condemned to the failed Tokamak method and the improvements in recent years have been very rapid due to a multitude of problems. So far, net energy surplus has not yet been attained but Helion in particular are moving very close to balanced output, far faster than ITER or any other old approach. It's too early to say it's a solved issue, but it would be misleading to think it's similar to the past. The advancements through multiple methods are too frequent and happening in too many places.

    Reminds me of the huge development in quantum computing in recent years. Many old foxes who had been burned were initially skeptical until the improvements could no longer be ignored. Similar dynamic here.
  138. @Yellowface Anon
    @Barbarossa


    Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself.
     
    So sins are morally and/or religiously objectionable ideas, instead of the behaviors these usually manifest in?

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Sin is ultimately about culpability. Therefore when my 2 year old hits one of his older sisters it is still a negative thing, but he does not fully understand the implications of the blow.

    If I were to hit my wife it would be a far different matter because I know better and understand the harm it would cause both physical and psychological.

    In both cases the act of striking another is the same, and it is still negative in both cases, but the culpability or “sin” if you will, is far different.

    That is also why sin is harmful to the sinner, because the act of overcoming one’s conscience is a form of spiritual and mental self harm.

  139. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?
     
    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don't you think?
    I don't really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I've written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Frank Miller, @Thulean Friend, @Ron Unz

    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?

    Karlin is referred to as ‘Jewish-Russian’ in Heiner Rindermann’s 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had “exposed” him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I’ve noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive – almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified “Russian nationalists”.

    For me, it doesn’t make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK’s rants against “wignats”, I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard’s politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    It was only after Langdon had “exposed” him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up
     
    I remember that totally differently, iirc Karlin mentioned his Jewish ancestry long before that comment by Langdon (there was an entire blog post about his ancestry, years ago). Don't have time to look for it now, maybe later.
    As for Karlin's negative stance towards Western antisemites, I don't find it surprising, many of these people are admirers of Nazi Germany in all its aspects, obviously that won't be regarded with sympathy by most Russians.

    EDIT: Karlin wrote extensively about his ancestry (including the "bagel" part) way back in 2017:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-7/

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    , @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%.
     
    Isn't that about the number that many DNA companies try to gaslight Central Europeans into believing that they have? Wouldn't it be larger for Eastern Europeans?

    (Though, to be sure, I take Mr. Karlin at his word)
    , @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Saying that Karlin is Jewish, is one of the most implausible conspiracy theories.

    Notice Karlin doesn't know anything at all about Jewish culture, Jewish influence in Russia, Israel, etc - because the views he writes on these topics.

    Either he is completely lying by pretending to know nothing about Jews (in which case he is going too far lol with false naivety). Or he is completely clueless about Jews in Russia.

    For example, he doesn't know Potupchik is Jewish.

    This is the lieutenant of Surkov, who is the commander of the Kremlinbots, who is writes all the time about being Jewish, posts about what is reading in the Torah and it's connection to Russian patriotism.

    And her appearance is.

    https://i.imgur.com/jqtQfNK.jpg
    Karlin replied to me

    https://i.imgur.com/Z9zxhYp.jpg
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/guardian-publishes-neoliberalism-txt-manifesto/#comment-2792122

    -

    So it's not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I mean average person in Russia, would guess Potupchik is Jewish from her appearance.

    Without her strange fashions
    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/arguendi/47553507/1941012/1941012_300.jpg

    Although this Russian imperialist view to Israel, is a slightly bizarre and threatening to Israel.

    https://twitter.com/krispotupchik/status/1126185583699734528


    That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.
     
    I'm not saying that Karlin is trolling as a somekind of conspiracy.

    He presents his views in an honest and open way. But just they are imperialist views, and not nationalist. And he is trolling nationalists on that category difference. And the trolling works, because Russia's government itself seems it can be trying to re-categorize nationalism in this way, after crushing using nationalism the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    For example, he writes a lot about fertility rates in Russia.

    Fertility rates in Russia is a popular topic for nationalists, because within Russia the non-Russians have significantly higher fertility rates than the Russians. And Russian men have even slightly lower fertility rates (although fertility rates only look at women) than Russian women, Russian women with Muslim-origin nationality husbands, will be one of the high fertility groups in Russia.

    But Karlin is not interested in this topic of fertility rates between nationalities in Russia, which so scary for nationalists. Rather, he is interested in fertility rates difference between different countries (homogenizes the data for individual nationalities within Russia).

    This is because fertility rates difference between different countries, could be relevant for imperialism topics. While fertility rates difference within Russia, is only something relevant for nationalists.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW, @Not Raul

    , @Mikel
    @Thulean Friend


    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.
     
    I'm probably missing a great chance to stay away from this silly debate but sorry, you've unloaded a lot of rubbish in that sentence.

    The obvious truth is indeed very mundane: Karlin is only ~3% Jewish, as proven by the screenshot he posted of his ancestry composition, which is much more than you've ever done to dispel the doubts about your own origins (whose 23andme profile do you think he stole?), in 2015-16 he got encouraged by Trump's rhetoric (like all right-wing, HBD-conscious, Russians and pro-Russians of the world) and later on, when Trump proved to be a rather incompetent buffoon, changed his mind as did countless other people who only cared about his actual actions rather than his words and tweets.

    Whatever other mysteries there may be about AK, you've chosen to focus on the most improbable ones.

  140. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?
     
    Karlin is referred to as 'Jewish-Russian' in Heiner Rindermann's 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had "exposed" him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I've noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive - almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified "Russian nationalists".

    For me, it doesn't make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK's rants against "wignats", I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard's politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Mikel

    It was only after Langdon had “exposed” him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up

    I remember that totally differently, iirc Karlin mentioned his Jewish ancestry long before that comment by Langdon (there was an entire blog post about his ancestry, years ago). Don’t have time to look for it now, maybe later.
    As for Karlin’s negative stance towards Western antisemites, I don’t find it surprising, many of these people are admirers of Nazi Germany in all its aspects, obviously that won’t be regarded with sympathy by most Russians.

    EDIT: Karlin wrote extensively about his ancestry (including the “bagel” part) way back in 2017:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-7/

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader

    Yeah, I agree with most of that. I still don't think it really changes my view of Karlin as a mixed-race person with some Jewish ancestry who got swept up in the 2015-16 meme wars and has since tried to course correct. I don't think Karlin is faking his anti-black racism or homophobia to ingratiate himself as part of a years-long trolling campaign. Dmitry's theories are very esoteric, which is why I want them to be true, but reality tends to be more mundane.

  141. It would be justice, if all the characters who dismiss the harmful effects of inflation were switched over to a new currency called the “queer dollar.” Sell their stocks and real estate at fair prices, exchange their wealth in regular dollars on a one-to-one basis, with queer dollars, which will have portraits of eminent homos. Have its monetary policy determined by super gays!

    In addition to harming the consumer and the poor, I expect that inflation causes a lot of economic inefficiencies.

    But what I really hate about it is the degradation. I think that over the course of time, it humiliates people into political apathy.

    Not only do the products change, but also the packaging. People with pick-up trucks find that the slightest drizzle will cause much cardboard packaging to completely dissolve, making the transport of goods into their homes difficult. Not too many decades ago, mashed potatoes used to come in big cans. People in the country would hammer them out and flatten them and use them for shingles, for their outbuildings.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  142. @songbird
    Anyone else feel the need to splurge because of inflation?

    Especially, I have this weird desire to buy dozens of things that are $0.99 or $1 because I know intuitively that those price points will be eternally gone and the US dollar will never bounce back, but will continue to decline. Things that I do not need or want. Not sure if it is some weird type of nostalgia about my distant youth, or an atavism from a time even before money.

    Similarly, I feel the urge to buy extremely cheap electronics, even though I could not possibly use them (since I already have such), though so far, I have resisted all these urges.

    I wonder if newer generations will feel quite the same way. Almost certainly they will be radically effected by inflation, but I was thinking about how a lot of payments are electronic nowadays, so there isn't that almost mystical feeling one has, of not needing to break a big bill, or of not needing to go over the value of a small one.

    BTW, related to above, I have the vague suspicion that switching to decimal currency helped cause inflation. And possibly a similar argument could be made for switching to the Euro, which is a transnational currency, which probably has its own negative effect, but I mean the prices changing from the switch-over.

    I predict that before the last dollar stores up their prices, crowds will rush into them and nearly empty them. Why exactly, I cannot say. Maybe, it is the disease of consumerism. Or maybe it really is something timeless going back to our farmer or herder ancestors, or even before them to the days of hunter-gatherers.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @sher singh

    I understand the impulse you are describing but for me it’s not directed at little stuff.

    I just finished up an addition on my house and I have another one planned. I’m buying as much material as I can now for the one next year. I’m getting a new set of batteries for my off-grid solar system and fixing all the little broken tools and equipment that has been languishing.

    Things like the work on my own house has gotten kicked down the line for years now, since I’m always busy with work, but I’m feeling like the time to move on it is now.

    I’m feeling overall that it will harder to do this stuff in the future and I’m trying to set myself up favorably.

    As I said to Yellowface Anon I’m seeing so much activity in my own business and everyone else I talk to who has a business, that I think we are far from alone in our buying urges.

    Maybe this will pass and we will go back to business as usual, I don’t know. I’m feeling like the economic “adults” in the room have no more of a handle on things than we do, so it doesn’t inspire confidence.

    • Thanks: songbird
  143. @Pericles
    @songbird

    If memory serves, the tide of terrifying white free speech on Twitter is currently held back by a chubby Indian woman and her minions. With a woke new brown CEO, perhaps we will now even find 'Thomm' hanging around there, should he be able to scrounge up a promotion?

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That's worth some attention, in my mind.

    Also, in the more general US industry, Warren Buffett is preparing to hand over his vast conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway to one of his two lieutenants, one of which is Indian (the other is a Jew). Though Warren è mobile and has discarded several similar attempts so who knows, but presumably he will have to make up his mind soon.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Thulean Friend, @Thomm

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That’s worth some attention, in my mind.

    Add Adobe and VMware into the mix with Indian CEOs. My conspiracy theory on this topic is that this is partly intentional on behalf of US tech titans. India’s domestic market is the Last Great Frontier and there has been an internal debate in India whether they should ‘go Chinese’, i.e. ban foreign IT firms and build up domestic champions.

    Given the weakness of India, this has largely been dropped but instead the government has tilted the playingfield in other very notable ways to benefit homegrown capitalists, notably the Reliance/JIO conglomerate run by Mukesh Ambani. In addition, India has introduced very discriminatory data laws which add costs to foreign firms.

    China’s aggression against India was manna from heaven, as it forced India to give up its traditional posture at the LOC in favour of LAC – which Pakistan promptly took advantage of by sending in various terrorists and suicide bombers. This meant that India felt too vulnerable to take on both at the same time, and thus became far more pliable to US pressure, since the US is the most important partner that India has now (Russia still sells plenty of arms, but cannot match the US diplomatic and economic heft).

    Now, given these nativist trends in India, why wouldn’t it be a good idea to have an Indian face on these US firms as they clobber and destroy their Indian competition? Remember, these CEOs are mercenaries. They are not founder-CEOs like Zuckerberg or Musk. The real power lies with the shareholders and as a shareholder in some of these tech firms, I approve of this Sepoy strategy, whether it is intentional or not.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    @Thulean Friend

    "China’s aggression against India was manna from heaven, as it forced India to give up its traditional posture at the LOC in favour of LAC – which Pakistan promptly took advantage of by sending in various terrorists and suicide bombers. This meant that India felt too vulnerable to take on both at the same time, and thus became far more pliable to US pressure, since the US is the most important partner that India has now (Russia still sells plenty of arms, but cannot match the US diplomatic and economic heft)."

    I agree with the rest of what you wrote - except this part. What makes you think it was Chinese aggression??? Russia also warned India not to get caught up in the hysteria - which means Russia saw what was really going on.... Videos released clearly showed that it was the Indian side were the aggressors and trespassers. Who benefitted out of that??? Not India and not China. The US is the only one who benefits. Let's be truthful.. The US has been using India against China ever since the 1950's where it sent trained Tibetans to go start an uprising in China. The Dalai Lama's retreat path was already laid out in case of failure... India was never the innocent victim. Nehru's Forward Policy is another example...

    The other reason why there are so many Indian CEO's is simply because Indian IT talent is cheaper than almost anywhere else - so they are brought over in H1B visa's. Then as they move up the chain - they hire more and more Indians in India - who are even cheaper. IBM has had more employees in India than in the US for quite a while now. But your overall concept I do agree with.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  144. @Dan Hayes
    @Thulean Friend

    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?

    That was my initial reaction too. The largest fusion project is in France, called ITER, which uses legacy ‘tokamak’ technology. This technology was initially pioneered by the Soviets way back during the Cold War.

    Not surprisingly, ITER has been notoriously overrunning their budget and timetable. What is new is that this old Tokamak technology has been ditched. Helion energy uses a completely different approach, with the founder likening it to regenerative braking on an EV. The Chinese are not far behind, using lasers instead.

    This is the major change. Fusion is no longer condemned to the failed Tokamak method and the improvements in recent years have been very rapid due to a multitude of problems. So far, net energy surplus has not yet been attained but Helion in particular are moving very close to balanced output, far faster than ITER or any other old approach. It’s too early to say it’s a solved issue, but it would be misleading to think it’s similar to the past. The advancements through multiple methods are too frequent and happening in too many places.

    Reminds me of the huge development in quantum computing in recent years. Many old foxes who had been burned were initially skeptical until the improvements could no longer be ignored. Similar dynamic here.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  145. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Bashibuzuk is Russian.
     
    I know, but he espoused a sort of pan-Slavic sentiment, with heavy focus on the pre-Christian past (e. g. iirc he seemed interested in the Wends and regarded their Germanization/Christianization as a tragedy), and to some extent included Balts in that as well. It's not a perspective I'm particularly sympathetic to (nationalists going on and on about some golden age in the remote pre-historic past, before "corruption" set in, always strike me as a bit silly), but the contrast with Karlin's views was very interesting to see.

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum “Dvach”, they were posting Karlin’s photos of family
     
    Didn't know that, sounds disturbing.

    I’m pretty sure you know more history than all of us.
     
    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

    That’s also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.
     
    Academic historians also often have a certain agenda, and that's especially the case for a lot of 20th century history, which is still "hot" and relevant to the self-conception of many people.
    Kholmogorov's essays with their imperialist mindset were indeed hard to stomach though.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Kholmogorov

    It’s a kind of astroturfed mini-celebrity who is self-presenting as “nationalist”, but writes pro-government, imperialist (i.e. especially anti-Ukraine) comments.

    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.

    Kholmogorov does read history books, and presents as a cultured person, but he doesn’t have academic qualification (outside highschool I guess). So it’s not like you should argue with him as if with a historian. It’s a publicist.

    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he’s probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.

    How does all this relate to our modest forum?

    Just I guess that Bashibuzuk was smoking cannabis, and became paranoid when he saw that Karlin was friendly with Kholmogorov.

    If Karlin knows Kholmogorov, you can see then there are only a few degrees of separation from the government. Although this is paranoia as people like Kholmogorov are a terminal in the relation of the government to the public. (I’m not saying Karlin has any connection to the government at all, but rather that this might be why Bashibuzuk acted paranoid and blanked his archive).

    Didn’t know that, sounds disturbing.

    Yes maybe some stalkers, and presenting as “Russian nationalist”, means that you engage with a demographic who is not exactly the most kindly people and mentally balanced.

    Isn’t that they say about being an internet celebrity? You can have problems of real celebrities (stalkers, etc), but without the benefits (wealth, glamor).

    That said he writes for a small cognoscenti and he is a not a beautiful woman, so I doubt he will attract any dangerous stalkers.

    Dvach is like Russian 4chan, so you expect weird people to post on there.

    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

    Although (with liar paradox included) what you read in internet is mostly “trash information”.

    There are ways historians to receive a kind of first-person information in the internet though, through social media and so on.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.

    ...
    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he’s probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.
     
    Thanks, this background information on Kholmogorov is very interesting. I can't judge the details, but your general exposition of the relationship between nationalism and imperialism in Russia makes a lot of sense.
    In any case, you should get a job at some intelligence agency with your extraordinary pattern recognition skills which you've demonstrated on this forum :-)
  146. @sudden death
    @Dmitry


    His posts are sincere expression of his political view – which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism.
     
    He can be called quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC, was writing about Baltic states as not being included into expansionist RF sphere, while even many/most publicly known typical ethnonationalists (e.g. Prosvirnin, Kholmogorov), to say nothing about not so ethno/race centered imperialists, want to grab it back one way or another.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC,

    Sure his views are not extreme in imperialism, by the discourse which becomes socially acceptable in Russian media itself.

    The government views imperialism as a “safe topic” in Russian discourse (as it doesn’t undermine the government, unlike nationalism which is viewed as threat), although the word “imperialism” is not popular to use in any positive sense in Russian (since Lenin).

    So there is peer pressure of extreme imperialism in the mainstream culture in Russian politics and television, and then the government policies itself seem to be only very moderate or moderate imperialism. This is kind of Surkov way to manage the political discussion in Russia. You throw out a spectrum of views, and then position yourself as the moderate one in the center.

  147. @German_reader
    @Thulean Friend


    It was only after Langdon had “exposed” him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up
     
    I remember that totally differently, iirc Karlin mentioned his Jewish ancestry long before that comment by Langdon (there was an entire blog post about his ancestry, years ago). Don't have time to look for it now, maybe later.
    As for Karlin's negative stance towards Western antisemites, I don't find it surprising, many of these people are admirers of Nazi Germany in all its aspects, obviously that won't be regarded with sympathy by most Russians.

    EDIT: Karlin wrote extensively about his ancestry (including the "bagel" part) way back in 2017:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-7/

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    Yeah, I agree with most of that. I still don’t think it really changes my view of Karlin as a mixed-race person with some Jewish ancestry who got swept up in the 2015-16 meme wars and has since tried to course correct. I don’t think Karlin is faking his anti-black racism or homophobia to ingratiate himself as part of a years-long trolling campaign. Dmitry’s theories are very esoteric, which is why I want them to be true, but reality tends to be more mundane.

  148. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?
     
    Karlin is referred to as 'Jewish-Russian' in Heiner Rindermann's 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had "exposed" him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I've noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive - almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified "Russian nationalists".

    For me, it doesn't make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK's rants against "wignats", I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard's politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Mikel

    ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%.

    Isn’t that about the number that many DNA companies try to gaslight Central Europeans into believing that they have? Wouldn’t it be larger for Eastern Europeans?

    (Though, to be sure, I take Mr. Karlin at his word)

  149. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?
     
    Karlin is referred to as 'Jewish-Russian' in Heiner Rindermann's 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had "exposed" him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I've noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive - almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified "Russian nationalists".

    For me, it doesn't make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK's rants against "wignats", I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard's politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Mikel

    Saying that Karlin is Jewish, is one of the most implausible conspiracy theories.

    Notice Karlin doesn’t know anything at all about Jewish culture, Jewish influence in Russia, Israel, etc – because the views he writes on these topics.

    Either he is completely lying by pretending to know nothing about Jews (in which case he is going too far lol with false naivety). Or he is completely clueless about Jews in Russia.

    For example, he doesn’t know Potupchik is Jewish.

    This is the lieutenant of Surkov, who is the commander of the Kremlinbots, who is writes all the time about being Jewish, posts about what is reading in the Torah and it’s connection to Russian patriotism.

    And her appearance is.
    Karlin replied to me

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/guardian-publishes-neoliberalism-txt-manifesto/#comment-2792122

    So it’s not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I mean average person in Russia, would guess Potupchik is Jewish from her appearance.

    Without her strange fashions

    Although this Russian imperialist view to Israel, is a slightly bizarre and threatening to Israel.

    That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    I’m not saying that Karlin is trolling as a somekind of conspiracy.

    He presents his views in an honest and open way. But just they are imperialist views, and not nationalist. And he is trolling nationalists on that category difference. And the trolling works, because Russia’s government itself seems it can be trying to re-categorize nationalism in this way, after crushing using nationalism the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    For example, he writes a lot about fertility rates in Russia.

    Fertility rates in Russia is a popular topic for nationalists, because within Russia the non-Russians have significantly higher fertility rates than the Russians. And Russian men have even slightly lower fertility rates (although fertility rates only look at women) than Russian women, Russian women with Muslim-origin nationality husbands, will be one of the high fertility groups in Russia.

    But Karlin is not interested in this topic of fertility rates between nationalities in Russia, which so scary for nationalists. Rather, he is interested in fertility rates difference between different countries (homogenizes the data for individual nationalities within Russia).

    This is because fertility rates difference between different countries, could be relevant for imperialism topics. While fertility rates difference within Russia, is only something relevant for nationalists.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    As noted, whether Karlin is 3% or 30% or 100% Jewish is sort of irrelevant to my conclusions. It doesn't really change my view of him or his opinions. I don't think he's faking his anti-black racism or his homophobia. He has spent too much time in far-right environments in both in Russia, abroad and online for it to just be a joke or a big troll. That's where I disagree with you.

    Now, you may think him having such opinions is weird given his ethnic background. But is not unheard of for mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I've both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s (Jackie Arklöf). Not saying AK is on that level, just using an extreme example to drive home the point.

    Was it Guillaume Durocher who noted that 2nd-gen mixed whites are highly over-represented among the far-right in France? He often spoke of how many Portuguese-French he had met in those groups. The psychological reasons for this are interesting and complex, even in an all-white milieu. When people have no clear belonging early in life, they become more susceptible for extreme ideas. Karlin is now at great pains to distance himself from rightoids, with mixed success at convincing his readers, which is amusing to me. Perhaps his run-ins with the anti-vaxxtards/loons during the debates over vaccines and masks scarred him?

    I think you're getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it's a sidenote of marginal interest. Doesn't really change my view, since it isn't conditional for any other conclusion.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @LatW
    @Dmitry


    ...after crushing nationalism using the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).
     
    The problem here is that the violent "kitty murderers" (and real criminals) and other "flashy" types (such as Tesak, whom Bashi liked and the circumstances of whose death he very rightfully questioned) are only the visible part. There are others out there who are not violent but who are now "sitting". They may have said something against Caucasians or what not, or changing the constitutional order (which understandably could be viewed as problematic) or the ruling class, but the truth is that some of them are genuine political prisoners. And they were removed because, while they are quite marginal, they still represent a sliver on the political spectrum which is constant. In a free society they would form into a permanent political party which would be taking away votes from the "systemic" parties and because of their staunch principles they'd be impossible to control by the Kremlin.

    Why should have someone like Dima Dyomushkin been dragged through the penitentiary system for years, his health crushed and best years taken? Sitting in the same cell, btw, where Navalny is currently sitting. It's because he was political competition, and especially competition in the niche that the Kremlin doesn't want to see filled or to exist in the first place (European oriented, ethnocentric, "national bourgeoisie" party, for the lack of a better term).

    Of course, you're also right that Russia didn't start in the 19th century as some ethnostate, Russia started hundreds of years ago and formed into having 200 nationalities in one state. So it's a big job to keep everyone happy and included. From that perspective there is not much space for pro-European nationalists in Russia. But then they end up missing out on some real nationalist policies (like reigning in ethnic mafias, prioritizing higher social standards for the Slavic population, developing of genuine narodovlastie, protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc). Also, trying to appease everyone doesn't keep certain more capable groups from having outsized influence.

    It might also be true that some of the nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin's introduction of the term "historical Russia" (roughly overlaps both the Tsarist Empire and the USSR). My hunch is also that the kind of fellows we used to see in the РНЕ way back, with the new generation now grown up and come of age, have now simply migrated to the spetsnaz (they're not even hiding it anymore and openly wear the Kolovrat and Old Slav runic patches).

    By the way, the great Russian-Chechen patriot Surkov just came out with another pseudo-philosophical opus on Russia's historical mission. Didn't yet have time to read it but the Ukrainians were parsing it last week.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Not Raul
    @Dmitry


    So it’s not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.
     
    I get the sense that AK doesn’t live in the yuppie part of town like most English-speaking analysts in Moscow.

    I didn’t know any Jews growing up until I was a teenager. There was only one school in my town at that level at that time. Before then, I went to a school in my pleb neighborhood. I don’t remember seeing any Jews in my pleb neighborhood.

    What I saw as a teenager was that, while they were richer and more arrogant, they weren’t any smarter than us plebs.

  150. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    Kholmogorov
     
    It's a kind of astroturfed mini-celebrity who is self-presenting as "nationalist", but writes pro-government, imperialist (i.e. especially anti-Ukraine) comments.

    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.

    Kholmogorov does read history books, and presents as a cultured person, but he doesn't have academic qualification (outside highschool I guess). So it's not like you should argue with him as if with a historian. It's a publicist.

    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he's probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.

    How does all this relate to our modest forum?

    Just I guess that Bashibuzuk was smoking cannabis, and became paranoid when he saw that Karlin was friendly with Kholmogorov.

    If Karlin knows Kholmogorov, you can see then there are only a few degrees of separation from the government. Although this is paranoia as people like Kholmogorov are a terminal in the relation of the government to the public. (I'm not saying Karlin has any connection to the government at all, but rather that this might be why Bashibuzuk acted paranoid and blanked his archive).


    Didn’t know that, sounds disturbing.
     
    Yes maybe some stalkers, and presenting as "Russian nationalist", means that you engage with a demographic who is not exactly the most kindly people and mentally balanced.

    Isn't that they say about being an internet celebrity? You can have problems of real celebrities (stalkers, etc), but without the benefits (wealth, glamor).

    That said he writes for a small cognoscenti and he is a not a beautiful woman, so I doubt he will attract any dangerous stalkers.

    Dvach is like Russian 4chan, so you expect weird people to post on there.


    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

     

    Although (with liar paradox included) what you read in internet is mostly "trash information".

    There are ways historians to receive a kind of first-person information in the internet though, through social media and so on.

    Replies: @German_reader

    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.


    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he’s probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.

    Thanks, this background information on Kholmogorov is very interesting. I can’t judge the details, but your general exposition of the relationship between nationalism and imperialism in Russia makes a lot of sense.
    In any case, you should get a job at some intelligence agency with your extraordinary pattern recognition skills which you’ve demonstrated on this forum 🙂

  151. I don’t follow the antics of the Chinese-US arms race up close, yet when I check in on the occasional progress update, China has invariably made significant strides. Should we worry? I continue to believe a serious military conflict is a low probability event. I am more interested in the technological improvements, as they may say something about China’s industrial capabilities, than I am in armchair-general scenarios.

    RUSI, one of the most prestigious think-tanks in the UK had an event on just this topic a few months ago.

    Steve Hsu took notes:

    1. J10 and J20 are world class fighters, largely indigenously designed. J16 is best flanker variant in the world today.

    2. PLAAF missiles (PL12, PL15, cruise missiles, etc.): some argue that PL12 and PL15 are among the best AAM in the world right now. Note use of AESA seeker in individual missiles while IIRC Russians have not incorporated AESA radar in their fighters yet.

    3. WS10 and WS15 engines nearly mature — WS10 now deployed in single engine J10.

    4. Note remarks about S400 sales to PRC and relatively small gap between PRC SAMs / air defense and Russian systems.

    5. Individual fighter characteristics are becoming less important compared to missile and sensor technology. For example, the low cost JF-17 (co-developed by PRC and Pakistan) is respectable (roughly comparable to early F-16 capabilities) as a plane, but with its block 3 sensor package and PL-12/15 missiles is competitive with much more expensive generation 4+ fighters. The fighter (eventually, drone or UCAV) becomes just a sensor and missile platform…

    The progress is astounding but especially impressive is how mature their engines are. Many engines can last 40-50 years with steady upgrades. This also makes the recent discord over Comac’s widebody jet fairly predictable.

  152. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Saying that Karlin is Jewish, is one of the most implausible conspiracy theories.

    Notice Karlin doesn't know anything at all about Jewish culture, Jewish influence in Russia, Israel, etc - because the views he writes on these topics.

    Either he is completely lying by pretending to know nothing about Jews (in which case he is going too far lol with false naivety). Or he is completely clueless about Jews in Russia.

    For example, he doesn't know Potupchik is Jewish.

    This is the lieutenant of Surkov, who is the commander of the Kremlinbots, who is writes all the time about being Jewish, posts about what is reading in the Torah and it's connection to Russian patriotism.

    And her appearance is.

    https://i.imgur.com/jqtQfNK.jpg
    Karlin replied to me

    https://i.imgur.com/Z9zxhYp.jpg
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/guardian-publishes-neoliberalism-txt-manifesto/#comment-2792122

    -

    So it's not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I mean average person in Russia, would guess Potupchik is Jewish from her appearance.

    Without her strange fashions
    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/arguendi/47553507/1941012/1941012_300.jpg

    Although this Russian imperialist view to Israel, is a slightly bizarre and threatening to Israel.

    https://twitter.com/krispotupchik/status/1126185583699734528


    That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.
     
    I'm not saying that Karlin is trolling as a somekind of conspiracy.

    He presents his views in an honest and open way. But just they are imperialist views, and not nationalist. And he is trolling nationalists on that category difference. And the trolling works, because Russia's government itself seems it can be trying to re-categorize nationalism in this way, after crushing using nationalism the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    For example, he writes a lot about fertility rates in Russia.

    Fertility rates in Russia is a popular topic for nationalists, because within Russia the non-Russians have significantly higher fertility rates than the Russians. And Russian men have even slightly lower fertility rates (although fertility rates only look at women) than Russian women, Russian women with Muslim-origin nationality husbands, will be one of the high fertility groups in Russia.

    But Karlin is not interested in this topic of fertility rates between nationalities in Russia, which so scary for nationalists. Rather, he is interested in fertility rates difference between different countries (homogenizes the data for individual nationalities within Russia).

    This is because fertility rates difference between different countries, could be relevant for imperialism topics. While fertility rates difference within Russia, is only something relevant for nationalists.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW, @Not Raul

    As noted, whether Karlin is 3% or 30% or 100% Jewish is sort of irrelevant to my conclusions. It doesn’t really change my view of him or his opinions. I don’t think he’s faking his anti-black racism or his homophobia. He has spent too much time in far-right environments in both in Russia, abroad and online for it to just be a joke or a big troll. That’s where I disagree with you.

    Now, you may think him having such opinions is weird given his ethnic background. But is not unheard of for mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I’ve both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s (Jackie Arklöf). Not saying AK is on that level, just using an extreme example to drive home the point.

    Was it Guillaume Durocher who noted that 2nd-gen mixed whites are highly over-represented among the far-right in France? He often spoke of how many Portuguese-French he had met in those groups. The psychological reasons for this are interesting and complex, even in an all-white milieu. When people have no clear belonging early in life, they become more susceptible for extreme ideas. Karlin is now at great pains to distance himself from rightoids, with mixed success at convincing his readers, which is amusing to me. Perhaps his run-ins with the anti-vaxxtards/loons during the debates over vaccines and masks scarred him?

    I think you’re getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it’s a sidenote of marginal interest. Doesn’t really change my view, since it isn’t conditional for any other conclusion.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    faking his anti-black racism
     
    Yes I remember he has a dislike of black people, which is not really consistent because in Russia he is more like in the position of black person in the USA. (Caucasian people kind of the local equivalent of African Americans).

    But probably it's related to the believe in the "national IQ tables published in Unz". If you believed that, and you wanted to "increase IQ" by blocking African immigrants.

    He idealizes Chinese people for the same reason. (Nationalism in Russia is more like "Eurocentric white nationalist" movement - i.e. they don't idealize Chinese).

    On the other hand, for Russian imperialist, there is nothing bad with China at the moment (China is friendly). And for Russian imperialist that believes in "national IQ claims", then China can be an example to follow.


    mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I’ve both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s
     
    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of " status anxiety of the middle class". So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don't think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it's likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.

    He also writes about how he like pigs and we shouldn't eat them, because they are more intelligent than other animals. So all his system is logically consistent and honest there. You don't need to speculate, even if you disagree.


    getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it’s a sidenote of marginal interest.
     
    Because Jews (and more people with Jewish roots) are very influential in Russia (especially in the upper class), and this influential aspect, is another topic nationalists (in Russia) are angry about. Although of course, it's of course less of important topic for nationalists than the Muslims, Caucasians, Central Asians, etc.

    So stereotypically nationalists was spamming "of course Putin is a Jew". And then another nationalist will be writing "Putin is speaking like this, because he was educated in a Yeshiva and is working part-time as a rabbi in two synagogues". Someone else will say "of course, all politicians in Russia have worked in the synagogue for at least three years before they are eligible, so you can't say Putin has a specially Jewish way of speaking".

    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin's blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.

    But that is fine and consistent for Karlin's political stream, which is Russian imperialism, who likes Putin and even Margarita Simonyan. Jews (like some hundred of other nationalities) are part of the multinational tapestry in Russia, and just a frequent component of the ruling elite of Russia. Karlin supports the direction the rulers are following for the country, so why should he care.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

  153. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Saying that Karlin is Jewish, is one of the most implausible conspiracy theories.

    Notice Karlin doesn't know anything at all about Jewish culture, Jewish influence in Russia, Israel, etc - because the views he writes on these topics.

    Either he is completely lying by pretending to know nothing about Jews (in which case he is going too far lol with false naivety). Or he is completely clueless about Jews in Russia.

    For example, he doesn't know Potupchik is Jewish.

    This is the lieutenant of Surkov, who is the commander of the Kremlinbots, who is writes all the time about being Jewish, posts about what is reading in the Torah and it's connection to Russian patriotism.

    And her appearance is.

    https://i.imgur.com/jqtQfNK.jpg
    Karlin replied to me

    https://i.imgur.com/Z9zxhYp.jpg
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/guardian-publishes-neoliberalism-txt-manifesto/#comment-2792122

    -

    So it's not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I mean average person in Russia, would guess Potupchik is Jewish from her appearance.

    Without her strange fashions
    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/arguendi/47553507/1941012/1941012_300.jpg

    Although this Russian imperialist view to Israel, is a slightly bizarre and threatening to Israel.

    https://twitter.com/krispotupchik/status/1126185583699734528


    That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.
     
    I'm not saying that Karlin is trolling as a somekind of conspiracy.

    He presents his views in an honest and open way. But just they are imperialist views, and not nationalist. And he is trolling nationalists on that category difference. And the trolling works, because Russia's government itself seems it can be trying to re-categorize nationalism in this way, after crushing using nationalism the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    For example, he writes a lot about fertility rates in Russia.

    Fertility rates in Russia is a popular topic for nationalists, because within Russia the non-Russians have significantly higher fertility rates than the Russians. And Russian men have even slightly lower fertility rates (although fertility rates only look at women) than Russian women, Russian women with Muslim-origin nationality husbands, will be one of the high fertility groups in Russia.

    But Karlin is not interested in this topic of fertility rates between nationalities in Russia, which so scary for nationalists. Rather, he is interested in fertility rates difference between different countries (homogenizes the data for individual nationalities within Russia).

    This is because fertility rates difference between different countries, could be relevant for imperialism topics. While fertility rates difference within Russia, is only something relevant for nationalists.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW, @Not Raul

    …after crushing nationalism using the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    The problem here is that the violent “kitty murderers” (and real criminals) and other “flashy” types (such as Tesak, whom Bashi liked and the circumstances of whose death he very rightfully questioned) are only the visible part. There are others out there who are not violent but who are now “sitting”. They may have said something against Caucasians or what not, or changing the constitutional order (which understandably could be viewed as problematic) or the ruling class, but the truth is that some of them are genuine political prisoners. And they were removed because, while they are quite marginal, they still represent a sliver on the political spectrum which is constant. In a free society they would form into a permanent political party which would be taking away votes from the “systemic” parties and because of their staunch principles they’d be impossible to control by the Kremlin.

    Why should have someone like Dima Dyomushkin been dragged through the penitentiary system for years, his health crushed and best years taken? Sitting in the same cell, btw, where Navalny is currently sitting. It’s because he was political competition, and especially competition in the niche that the Kremlin doesn’t want to see filled or to exist in the first place (European oriented, ethnocentric, “national bourgeoisie” party, for the lack of a better term).

    Of course, you’re also right that Russia didn’t start in the 19th century as some ethnostate, Russia started hundreds of years ago and formed into having 200 nationalities in one state. So it’s a big job to keep everyone happy and included. From that perspective there is not much space for pro-European nationalists in Russia. But then they end up missing out on some real nationalist policies (like reigning in ethnic mafias, prioritizing higher social standards for the Slavic population, developing of genuine narodovlastie, protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc). Also, trying to appease everyone doesn’t keep certain more capable groups from having outsized influence.

    It might also be true that some of the nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin’s introduction of the term “historical Russia” (roughly overlaps both the Tsarist Empire and the USSR). My hunch is also that the kind of fellows we used to see in the РНЕ way back, with the new generation now grown up and come of age, have now simply migrated to the spetsnaz (they’re not even hiding it anymore and openly wear the Kolovrat and Old Slav runic patches).

    By the way, the great Russian-Chechen patriot Surkov just came out with another pseudo-philosophical opus on Russia’s historical mission. Didn’t yet have time to read it but the Ukrainians were parsing it last week.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Kremlin doesn’t want to see filled or to exist
     
    I'm very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me (not so fairly for its ideas, but more its image - it becomes a sieve for picking racist people). Moreover, in my own life, my experience of multinational contexts has always been utopian - although this experience I lived is a bubble (multinationality is not so utopian during the Yugoslav war or Lebanese civil war).

    But while I don't feel any sympathy for violent hooligans going to prison, the anti-nationalism of the Russian government is also pretty extreme.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples' nationalities in relation to reporting on crime? https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/21931-8

    I'm also sympathetic to a kind of 19th century nationalism based on the concept of self-determination of people, and where there is in fact movement away from imperialism in this. I.e. multi-state solution for difficult to manage empires.

    But this kind of mutual separatist nationalism is not in the self-interest of the authorities of great empires either, so it's kind of pointless utopianism to think about it.


    protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc).

     

    Limiting immigration with selection for Russia, would be an improvement for the country compared to current open borders - whether from nationalist, or non-nationalist citizens' perspective. But the government has gone in open borders strategy for decades now.

    On the other hand, protectionist economic policy neither seems to be useful from nationalist, or normal non-nationalist citizens' perspective. The real motive why it is promoted is more simply because it allows you to replace foreign competition and consumer choice, for local elites' businesses. Even e.g. imported Polish apples (that Poland bans from Russia). were replaced by apples produced by Gennady Timchenko's owned agriculture. Normal people lose options and pay more, but for the political class it was a "state capture" opportunity.


    nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin’s introduction of the term “historical
     
    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction. Why do you think Russia is multinational, and Russian elite far more multinational than the Russian public. This is how vast empires (and Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russian Federation are the world's largest contiguous empires) have to be managed.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is - what works. Everytime the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.

    Well, historically there were internal immigration borders, which reduced those problems. And today there are open borders.

    If I remember accurate, I saw a lecture, where they said that Surkov said that nationalism is the greatest threat to the integrity of the Russian Federation today. However, in a few decades, it will not be a threat. This is the hope the population will stabilize or homogenize enough to reduce this threat to the authorities. In terms of nationalities like Tatars, it's very realistic (they are losing any opportunity for national separation, due to their declining demographics - intermarriage, and loss of separate culture).

    Replies: @LatW, @Max Demian

  154. @Thulean Friend
    @German_reader


    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?
     
    Karlin is referred to as 'Jewish-Russian' in Heiner Rindermann's 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had "exposed" him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I've noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive - almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified "Russian nationalists".

    For me, it doesn't make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK's rants against "wignats", I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard's politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    Replies: @German_reader, @songbird, @Dmitry, @Mikel

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    I’m probably missing a great chance to stay away from this silly debate but sorry, you’ve unloaded a lot of rubbish in that sentence.

    The obvious truth is indeed very mundane: Karlin is only ~3% Jewish, as proven by the screenshot he posted of his ancestry composition, which is much more than you’ve ever done to dispel the doubts about your own origins (whose 23andme profile do you think he stole?), in 2015-16 he got encouraged by Trump’s rhetoric (like all right-wing, HBD-conscious, Russians and pro-Russians of the world) and later on, when Trump proved to be a rather incompetent buffoon, changed his mind as did countless other people who only cared about his actual actions rather than his words and tweets.

    Whatever other mysteries there may be about AK, you’ve chosen to focus on the most improbable ones.

  155. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    upperclass .. youths that looked / dressed “European”
     
    Well the upperclass rulers of Russia have been fashionable LGBTQ looking hipsters for around a decade now if you were following them in social media.

    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano executive and daughter of a famous Jewish oligarch. At 0:30 the presenter of MTV Russia (who owns shops and restaurants in Moscow), boyfriend of son of LifeNews owner, has a hoverboard. I'm pretty sure a hoverboard only popular with hipsters in the last few years even in London.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvD25Pnw6A

    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.


    Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go

     

    I haven't been in Miami, but I guess this how you can distinguish the Russian prostitutes that flood there with a tourist visa.

    But even in decade old videos, children of the Kremlin elite that buy half of the property in Miami, surely look perfectly like the local American hipsters. The ruling class are such kind of chameleons when they are outside Russia.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF_9IHpT7q8


    reason I’m wasting comment space mentioning this is because
     
    You're not wasting comment space. It's very true and it's what I've been thinking about for years - it's nice to find other people wondering about this situation.

    But the appearance of the ruling elite, filter to the class immediately below them, who still can overlap a little with their rulers.

    Aristocracy, is copied by the upper middle class in Moscow. But with Russia's economy, lower middle class can't copy the upper middle class, and it is cool enough for normal people to shop in H&M and Zara

    -

    In Russia, there is also a different situation that the upper class are trying to feed a special media to the normal Russian people - e.g. these projects like "Timati", and the politics like "LifeNews", etc.

    Some of this Timati project, is pretty successful no doubt - mainstream Generation Z in normal provincial Russia 2020, can be still all be trying to look like they are in a Timati video from 10 years ago. Here is the Timati style which is still mainstream in the normal youth/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_Djswr79YE

    Although normal provincial middle class nerd children in Generation Z live on the internet. In the cities where there is a critical mass of middle class nerd kids, the nerds seem nowadays can rebel by imagining they live in South Korea instead of Russia. This wasn't like this in my youth. When I was growing up, nerds loved Japan, but such Korean culture was not even in the radar of the nerds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_ma2-RPhqU

    Replies: @LatW

    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.

    Possibly yes, if you look at the average. There’s a strata in Moscow that has always been very stylish. Not just clothing but also demeanor, speech. Obviously, as in any big city. In the West, it kind of depends on the person’s individual style and effort, if you put in the work, you can be very original.

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing. As in, normal modern clothing with just a little bit extra flare. Why I bring up this trivial matter is because some rather interesting original Russian clothing brands have come online recently. There are a few that merge into the Western style but retain some Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia. Especially if they had the ability to scale & create broader marketing (they are typically boutique). Another one that comes to mind is Gosha Rubchinskiy, a contemporary Russian designer who has tried to redefine and recapture the post-Soviet aesthetic. He doesn’t yet cross into avant garde but he’s definitely edgy and borderline provocative. This is an interesting question – to move away from that aesthetic entirely or to play with it. Especially since after 30 years one can finally have the comfort / privilege of distance when viewing it.

    Here is his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol). It would most likely qualify as entartete Kunst, but it’s quite well done (and some pieces actually look quite wearable), you can see all the different post-Soviet Russian masculinities on display there (the soccer player, gopnik, the “militsioner”, nerd, etc, even the classic stylized РНЕ uniform, very provocative, he should be careful not to trivialize it, bu there is definitely a nationalist twist in his fashion):

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW



    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvD25Pnw6A

     

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing
     
    Well backstory in this video, you can notice socialites are being hosted by Roman Abramovich's girlfriend at Garage art gallery at 1:00. Everyone knows the main motive for this Abramovich interest in modern art, is probably money laundering and financial speculation. And there is event host https://www.instagram.com/edikyakut/ (who probably can get you the best prostitutes for your party)

    But if you recognize those socialites' faces across Instagram, you can see some of them using parents' money as a startup capital to add hipster services in Moscow. and develop the vast hipster culture that is now booming there. And Artem Korelev (https://www.instagram.com/artem) I guess is just a celebrity from his own ambition and LGBT charisma.

    These hipsters in the video are founding hipster projects. So I guess they are not all completely useless hipsters, but a kind of entrepreneurial spreaders of culture across the city
    https://www.instagram.com/slavagee/ (who often buys $10,000 pairs of sneakers)
    https://www.instagram.com/lenaweinstein/ some kinds of tasteful entrepreneur women
    https://www.instagram.com/fechoo/
    https://www.instagram.com/sasha_sofine/
    https://www.instagram.com/mariakakdela/

    But then others in the video looks like unemployed looking hipsters to me. As it's known in the West as well, hipster can become also just a disguise for playboying
    https://www.instagram.com/leoratner/
    https://www.instagram.com/vsupernaskov/


    Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia.
     
    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes than most European nationalities (excluding French, Italians, maybe Germans). Clothes are very important even when you are a child.

    But seriously, I think there are extreme problems in terms of the production supply for clothes, who are mostly imported from China even for domestic brands. For a funny story, when Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krjfsq8Qg7E.) But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.


    his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol).
     
    Maybe this will trigger Bashibuzuk to return.

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern "community centre" in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It's not only some "centre of evil" that it is portrayed by the "patriotic media".


    there (the soccer player,
     
    There is "offnik" fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.

    I've not been living in Russia for years now, and losing contact to Russian culture greatly, and so finding it kind of bizarre to read about these Generation Z trends.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn't protest Lukashenko) - he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BwsJp1eIsst/

    Replies: @LatW

  156. @Yevardian
    @German_reader

    I wouldn't really bother engaging with A123 on anything involving the Middle-East, Islam, Israel, or perhaps any serious topic in general.

    And yes, I sympathise as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself. Actually, as a teenager, I had somewhat similar views to A123 (i.e., a Zionist cheerleader, seeing it as 'a Western bastion against the Islamic hordes', dismissing any 'pro-Arab' views as leftist 3rd-world worship [I wouldn't even consider reading N.Finkelstein at the time], etc.) although at some point I felt compelled to take a step back and critically re-examine my whole adolescent worldview
    Honestly, I don't recall what specific item it was exactly, most likely it was simply the mounting pile of information, with the British Embassy Bombing, the USS Liberty, Israel's incredible hypocrisy in refusing to recognise the Armenian genocide, the Lavon Plan, Israel's early funding of Hamas.. or simply direct accounts from people like Robert Fisk.

    The thing is, it seems many people, after either discovering or growing up with this information, go the other direction and choose to see Arabs, or even Muslims more generally, purely as righteous victims, or even as political 'allies' (George Galloway is a prime example of someone going off the deep end, I suppose Israel Shamir too), which is a whole different brand of insanity.

    I was torn about this for a while, but I think a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism, as well at it being theologically, far, far closer to Islam than to Christianity, I felt a 'gordion knot' moment in many areas.
    The other thing is, even if Israel was founded at least ostensibly as a Western country, it's become clear over the years, that its society, worldview and culture is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from the Arab shitholes that surround it. The most ironic thing is, this just makes the country more belligerent, inward-looking and supremacist, not less. Anyway, the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews 'normal' clearly lost. Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don't really rate his political opinions on anything else.

    Eh, I read a garbage comment from A123, intended to put a sentence or two, and ended up typing out this screed. That's the Unz review I guess.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @German_reader, @A123, @Max Demian

    At least in part my zeal is a direct counter to the bizarre posters here that insist on blaming Jews for everything. Several posters use the term GloboHomo as a term to smear Jews. IslamoGloboHomo is a direct push back against them.

    If you can get the anti-Semites to behave more rationally, I could probably be convinced to moderate my stance on some points. I certainly would avoid terms like IslamoGloboHomo.
    _______

    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world. Three quick questions:

    -Q1- Who is the only hijab wearing Muslim in the U.S. House?
    -A1- Ilhan Omar

    -Q2- Who is a member of “The Squad”? The most SJW element of the U.S. political scene.
    -A2- Ilhan Omar

    -Q3- Can you name a U.S. national (or state) office, Muslim elected official that is *not* an advocate of SJW Globalism?
    -A3- There are none

    Ilhan Omar is not an unusual case. She is simply a bit more visible than other office holders. There is 100% Islamic conformity to SJW Globalist values with absolutely no outliers. This is a strong indicator that the attachment is fundamental, not incidental.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @A123


    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world.
     
    Everyone keeps writing that they have an alliance at the moment but that this alliance is something like the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939-41.

    You just need to think about memes like 'Islam is right about women' and why this is a way of trolling progressives.

    Replies: @A123

  157. @songbird
    @A123

    I quite liked AE, but he probably suffered from burnout. IMO, there is only so much that you can massage out of existing surveys. The questions tend to be limited and some of the more interesting ones verboten, or buried. Not to mention that many of the ethnic categories are severely limited and nonsensical. Too bad he didn't have a billionaire sponsor who liked bankrolling new surveys and studies. Or wasn't put in charge of the US census. I think he feared repeating himself too much.

    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don't know if others would enjoy that.


    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.
     
    It must be hard to find people who can output quality content semi-regularly, and who do not fear social consequences.

    For my part, I wish that there was more content from nationalists on here. A new Mishima for Japan, China, and Korea. As well, as more for European countries. But that may be somewhat utopian. Many seem to stick to video platforms, and there may be language barriers, and they may not see the value of putting everything into English.

    I would almost suggest trying to recruit some people from Twitter here. I can think of a few interesting characters, like Whyvert. But, if they wanted to blog, wouldn't they already be doing it? Probably the increased time commitment makes it unattractive.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don’t know if others would enjoy that.

    I would enjoy that.

  158. @AaronB
    @Barbarossa

    I don't always post, but I always lurk :)

    I agree with this completely. You are quite correct Barbarossa, and I believe the fact that this spontaneously occurred to you - it did to me, also, only recently in the last few weeks - is a sign, and means more and more of us are, in the depths of our unconscious, coming to certain realizations.

    Here is the inimitable Paul Kingsnorth writing beautifully recently on just this theme -


    Let me tell you a story.

    This story begins in a garden, at the very beginning of all things. All life can be found in this garden: every living being, every bird and animal, every tree and plant. Humans live here too, and so does the creator of all of it, the source of everything, and he is so close that he can be seen and heard and spoken to. Everything walks in the garden together. Everything is in communion. It is a picture of integration.

    At the centre of this garden grows a tree, the fruit of which imparts hidden knowledge. The humans - the last creature to be formed by the creator - will be ready to eat this fruit one day, and when they do they will gain this knowledge and be able to use it wisely for the benefit of themselves and of all other things that live in the garden. But they are not ready yet. The humans are still young, and unlike the rest of creation they are only partially formed. If they ate from the tree now, the consequences would be terrible.

    Do not eat that fruit, the creator tells them. Eat anything else you like, but not that.

    We know the next part of the story because it is still happening to us all the time. Why should you not eat the fruit? says the voice of the tempting serpent, the voice from the undergrowth of our minds. Why should you not have the power that you are worthy of? Why should this creator keep it all for himself? Why should you listen to him? He just wants to keep you down. Eat the fruit. It's your right. You're worth it!

    So we eat the fruit, and we see that we are naked and we become ashamed. Our mind is filled with questions, the gears inside it begin to whir and turn and suddenly now here is us and them, here is humanity and nature, here is people and God. A portcullis of words descends between us and the other creatures in the garden, and we can never go home again. We fall into dis-integration and we fall out of the garden forever. Armed angels are set at the gates; even if we find our way back to the garden again we cannot re-enter. The state of questless ease that was our birthright is gone. We chose knowledge over communion; we chose power over humility.

    The Earth is our home now.

    This Earth is a broken version of the garden; of our original integration with creator and creation. On Earth we must toil to break the soil, to plant seeds, to fight off predators. We will sicken and die. Everything is eating everything else. There is war and dominion and misery. There is beauty and love and friendship too, but all of it ends in death. These are the consequences of our pursuit of knowledge and power, but we keep pursuing them because we know no other way out. We keep building towers and cities and forgetting where we came from. Outside of the garden, we are homeless and can never be still. We forget the creator and worship ourselves. All of this happens inside us every day.

    There comes a time when the creator takes pity. After so many centuries of this, after so many years of humans missing the mark, of wandering from the path, of rising and falling and warring and dying, of eating the fruit again and again, the creator stages an intervention. He comes to Earth in human form to show us the way back home. Most people don't listen, naturally, and we all know how the story ends. God himself walks on Earth and what does humanity do? We torture and kill him.

    But the joke is on us, because it turns out that this was the point all along. The way of this creator is not the way of power but of humility, not of conquest but of sacrifice. When he comes to Earth he comes not as warlord, king or high priest, but as a barefoot artisan in an obscure desert province. He walks with the downtrodden and the rejected, he scorns wealth and power and through his death he conquers death itself, and releases us from our bondage. He gives us a way out; a way back home. But we have to work at it. The path back to the garden can only be found by giving up the vainglory, the search for power and the unearned knowledge which got us exiled in the first place. The path is the path of renunciation, of love and of sacrifice. To get back to the garden, we have to go through the cross.

    Now imagine that a whole culture is built around this story. Imagine that this culture survives for over a thousand years, building layer upon layer of meaning, tradition, innovation and creation, however imperfectly, on these foundations.

    Then imagine that this culture dies, leaving only ruins.

    If you live in the West, you do not have to imagine any of this. You are living among those ruins, and you have been all your life. Many of them are still beautiful - intact cathedrals, Bach concertos - but they are ruins nonetheless. They are the remains of something called 'Christendom', a 1500-year civilisation in which this particular sacred story seeped into and formed every aspect of life, bending and changing and transforming everything in this story's image.
     

    Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard

    Apparently Ghislaine Maxwell attorney’s opening statement drew upon the analogy of Adam-Eve-Eden. He said it wasn’t Eve’s fault just like Ghislaine is not guilty either.

    Also he compared Jeffrey Epstein to James Bond so his defense is going to be creative if it isn’t effective. I found it pretty damn weird.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/epstein-james-bond-ghislaine-maxwell-trial-b1966427.html

    Who gets to be Captain Kirk? I see on the front page that Fauci is Darth Vader.

    • LOL: AaronB, Barbarossa
  159. @German_reader
    @Philip Owen

    Just subscribe to Karlin's Substack, maybe he'll eventually get around to continue his blogging there (maybe read his AI Halloween story, which is quite entertaining, and leave a comment as a sign of appreciation).
    Most of UR is obviously only attractive for a very specific clientele. I'm far right by most people's definitions and only still come here for AK's comment section. It's unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.

    Replies: @Mikel

    It’s unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.

    Given that RU himself subscribes to a wide array of conspiracy theses, promotes at the top of his website the Truth Jihadist’s pieces on illuminati or moon landing trutherism and hosts a number of Jew-obssesed authors, the commenters attracted to the site in general are what you would expect. No amount of design or commenting system can compensate for that.

    To make matters worse, Fred Reed has also left the site.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    What! Fred Reed is gone too!
    Dang, it's getting grim.

    The only parts of this site I really frequent at all at this point are these AK open threads and scanning what click-bait Sailer has on offer.

    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors...

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @showmethereal
    @Mikel

    Fred Reed left? Was there an announcement? I didn't see.... And if so - where did he go?

    Replies: @A123

  160. @RadicalCenter
    @A123

    You've almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous "Jews" to their European or other homelands (the Ashkenazi, who constitute the majority in Israel, typically being 40-50% genetically white European, most often Italian).

    Replies: @A123

    You’ve almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous “Jews”

    ROTFLMAO

    Here is an easy test. What is the number of Muslims in Palestine at the following dates:

    — 400 BC?
    — 200 BC?
    — 0 BC/AD?
    — 200 AD?
    — 400 AD?

    The correct answer is NONE. Non indigenous Islam was forced on Palestine by Jihadist Settlers ~600 AD. The Non-native, invasive Muslim belief system established colonies. Infidel (Jewish & Christian) land has bern occupied for 1,400 years.

    Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
        Muslim Decolonization is the Answer

    ____

    The only two indigenous faiths (Judaism and Christianity) will have to reach a long term arrangement for their presence in Palestine. However, without the violent provocation of Colonial Jihadists, there is plenty of opportunity to meet everyone’s needs. Christians are mostly interested in New Testament sites that have little interest to Jews.

    PEACE 😇

  161. @Mikel
    @German_reader


    It’s unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.
     
    Given that RU himself subscribes to a wide array of conspiracy theses, promotes at the top of his website the Truth Jihadist's pieces on illuminati or moon landing trutherism and hosts a number of Jew-obssesed authors, the commenters attracted to the site in general are what you would expect. No amount of design or commenting system can compensate for that.

    To make matters worse, Fred Reed has also left the site.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @showmethereal

    What! Fred Reed is gone too!
    Dang, it’s getting grim.

    The only parts of this site I really frequent at all at this point are these AK open threads and scanning what click-bait Sailer has on offer.

    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors…

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @Barbarossa

    Fred Reed was always pretty crap, aside from some occasionally interesting personal stories. I think he gained the attentions of our benevolent overlord mainly as someone that obviously couldn't stand blacks, but had nothing but glowing praise for Hispanic immigration into the US.

    Also, if you hadn't read already, it seems Fred Reed left in a fit of pique after Unz rubbished in a private email his typically shallow article ridiculing anyone who questions the official story on the 9/11 Attacks.
    It seems that like Linh Dinh, he's one of those cantankerous personalities that loves to dish it out, but can't any heat themselves. At least I have to give Karlin credit where it's due here, "whilst I get called a spiteful mongrel on my own blog".


    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors…
     
    Well, with the whole blogosphere practically dead, and everyone who retains a substantial following either on substack or tw*tter, it does seem very slim pickings. I would read Thorffinsson's blog if he had time for it, lol.
    There was also the commenter 'Glossy' who left years ago (that thread where Karlin was praising Solzhenytsin and mocking Russia's WWII celebrations, and got dogpiled by about half the Russian commentariat here at the time) I really liked his blog, but he scarcely wrote about politics and seems to have given up writing to waste his time of twitter.

    For the moment, if I was Unz, I'd start featuring/highlighting more old forgotten books or interesting articles from archived journals, available here on the archiv. There's a vast amount of material there but it's somewhat tucked away, people don't know what to look for, and it seems almost nobody here uses it much.

    Replies: @Svidomyatheart

  162. Omicron variant might be a good thing (though still too early to tell):

    [MORE]

    Of course in fucking Germany they’re now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    Well...Omicron is a pretty scary sounding name, so you have that. I mean, it could be a Tom Clancy title.

    Tom Clancy's- "The Omicron Strain"

    I think that basically justifies anything that governments may want to do.

    They sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that Greek alphabet, aren't they?

    Replies: @sudden death

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    Of course in Germany they’re now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.
     
    Not for those just transiting through Frankfurt, I hope.

    What are the long term consequences for one's immunity from getting boosted every six months?

    Replies: @German_reader

  163. @Barbarossa
    @A123

    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.

    Thus we can have without irony a photo like your second one; a bunch of white liberals holding signs for Palestinians and BLM. This is a very common pattern. White NPR libs get way more worked up in support of BLM (and certainly most of the financial contributions) than most blacks. Case in point; my local college town had a long running BLM sign holding "demonstration" once a week last year. It was all white chicks from the private university, despite a very large black population at the local public college.

    If white people want to make a lot of noise and accrue perks and political clout for certain racial groups than they will probably not get in the way.

    I believe the common denominator in all cases is white liberals.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.

    I’m interested to see what happens with this Muslim/Liberal alliance if strands of Catholic Integralism become higher profile in US politics. Liberals and secular progressives are likely to respond with hostility (maybe horror?) to Integralism, especially the more robust expressions of it. OTOH similar or even more powerful Islamic beliefs seems to have an semi-sacred status with the Woke at the moment.

    This must be most obvious in France where the Left spent decades attacking and breaking down the traditional Catholic social order, but is now supportive of Islam.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history than a regime based on wokeness, which in some elements could be traced back to at least the 19th century and take up figures like Nat Turner and John Brown as its heroes for a new national mythology. I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US, when it's failed even in countries like Spain and Portugal, where it had deep roots in the national culture.

    Replies: @AP, @Coconuts, @LatW

  164. @German_reader
    Omicron variant might be a good thing (though still too early to tell):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7zy6_0Z2s

    Of course in fucking Germany they're now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @LatW

    Well…Omicron is a pretty scary sounding name, so you have that. I mean, it could be a Tom Clancy title.

    Tom Clancy’s- “The Omicron Strain”

    I think that basically justifies anything that governments may want to do.

    They sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that Greek alphabet, aren’t they?

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Barbarossa

    Should have been named straight out Necronomicon strain, scares and justifies anything even better, but guess Omicron is close enough sounding too :)

  165. @A123
    @Yevardian

    At least in part my zeal is a direct counter to the bizarre posters here that insist on blaming Jews for everything. Several posters use the term GloboHomo as a term to smear Jews. IslamoGloboHomo is a direct push back against them.

    If you can get the anti-Semites to behave more rationally, I could probably be convinced to moderate my stance on some points. I certainly would avoid terms like IslamoGloboHomo.
    _______

    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world. Three quick questions:

    -Q1- Who is the only hijab wearing Muslim in the U.S. House?
    -A1- Ilhan Omar

    -Q2- Who is a member of "The Squad"? The most SJW element of the U.S. political scene.
    -A2- Ilhan Omar

    -Q3- Can you name a U.S. national (or state) office, Muslim elected official that is *not* an advocate of SJW Globalism?
    -A3- There are none

    Ilhan Omar is not an unusual case. She is simply a bit more visible than other office holders. There is 100% Islamic conformity to SJW Globalist values with absolutely no outliers. This is a strong indicator that the attachment is fundamental, not incidental.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Coconuts

    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world.

    Everyone keeps writing that they have an alliance at the moment but that this alliance is something like the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939-41.

    You just need to think about memes like ‘Islam is right about women’ and why this is a way of trolling progressives.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Coconuts


    Everyone keeps writing that they have an alliance at the moment but that this alliance is something like the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939-41.

    You just need to think about memes like ‘Islam is right about women’ and why this is a way of trolling progressives.
     

    Sorry. Your theory does not hold up under inspection.

    Let us consider real case of "Alliance of Necessity". The Log Cabin Republicans and Main Street Christians Republicans. It was always a palpably uncomfortable. The Christian side openly disapproved and it requires a perpetual heavy handed effort via, "Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner."
    ___

    Is the relationship between SJW Globalism and Western Islam similarly fraught? Clearly not. Woke Gay Muslims like Keith Ellison have been leading the Charge of the Woke Brigade for decades. Openly LGBTQ Muslims are running for office and winning:

    -- (1) Liliana Bakhtiari (District 5) won her runoff election for the Atlanta City Council, becoming the first out LGBTQ Muslim elected in the state of Georgia

    -- (2) Mauree Turner (Oklahoma District 88) never thought she'd run for office. "I'm Black, Muslim, femme, queer, born and raised in Oklahoma — politics was the last thing in my crosshairs,"

    -- (3) Saqib Ali, the first Muslim elected to Maryland's state legislature, echoes Ellison's views, stating that marriage equality "doesn't affect [his] marriage; it doesn't affect anybody else's marriage." Ali's support for LGBT equality

    I could go on, and on, and on.... It took about 2 minutes to find citations for these high profile, LGBTQ, Woke-slam examples. There are many, many more.

    ____

    The truth is obvious. Western Muslims are the thought leaders of the DNC (and similar European movements), driving the headlong rush towards ever increasing Wokeness.

    This is not a temporary "Alliance of Necessity". It is a "Union of Shared Woke Values".

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________


    (1) https://weconnect.lgbt/liliana-bakhtiari-wins-ga-runoff/

    (2) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mauree-turner-oklahoma-black-queer-muslim-candidate_n_5f8732cfc5b6c5eccffcc5e2

    (3) https://www.glaad.org/2011/06/28/muslims-speak-out-in-support-of-lgbt-equality

    Replies: @Barbarossa

  166. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @Barbarossa


    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.
     
    I'm interested to see what happens with this Muslim/Liberal alliance if strands of Catholic Integralism become higher profile in US politics. Liberals and secular progressives are likely to respond with hostility (maybe horror?) to Integralism, especially the more robust expressions of it. OTOH similar or even more powerful Islamic beliefs seems to have an semi-sacred status with the Woke at the moment.

    This must be most obvious in France where the Left spent decades attacking and breaking down the traditional Catholic social order, but is now supportive of Islam.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I’m vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history than a regime based on wokeness, which in some elements could be traced back to at least the 19th century and take up figures like Nat Turner and John Brown as its heroes for a new national mythology. I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US, when it’s failed even in countries like Spain and Portugal, where it had deep roots in the national culture.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader


    I’m vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history
     
    True, but the USA does have a long tradition of religious "fanatics" setting up their would-be utopias in their piece of the country. The Catholics could follow the Mormons, Hasids and Amish.
    An attempt in Florida:

    https://www.wired.com/2014/04/rawfile-0404-ave-maria/

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    AFAIK there are different brands of it because the content is vague, Sohrab Ahmari is a more mainstream version than the Vermeule guy, who I have heard is close to the 'Catholic Sharia' wing. I don't think they have much chance of doing a lot themselves, they would be more like part of a broader post-liberal right wing. I think you don't need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, 'why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?'

    Integralism with a secular veneer did okay in Portugal, the New State lasted 41 years with the same prime minister for 35 of them, and he was still rated as the greatest Portuguese figure of the 20th century in a national televised poll they did in the 2000s. The authoritarian regime was brought down by strong liberal democratic and secularising trends in Europe and the US, whereas imo Wokeness is a tendency in the opposite direction, more like a contemporary version of the sort of thing Integralism arose in opposition to in the early 20th C. As long as Wokeness is around, some sort of Integralist perspective may have a chance to emerge.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @LatW
    @German_reader


    I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US
     
    Why not try? If it works, it works, if it doesn't, it doesn't. There's no harm in trying. If they gave up contraception, they could slowly build a few towns.

    The only thing is that they probably wouldn't be mostly of European origin.

  167. @German_reader
    Omicron variant might be a good thing (though still too early to tell):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls7zy6_0Z2s

    Of course in fucking Germany they're now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @LatW

    Of course in Germany they’re now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.

    Not for those just transiting through Frankfurt, I hope.

    What are the long term consequences for one’s immunity from getting boosted every six months?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @LatW


    What are the long term consequences for one’s immunity from getting boosted every six months?
     
    I don't think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect). People are passing around this on the net:
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
    I have no way of evaluating it, and there definitely needs to be more research. I'm also definitely not a dogmatic anti-vaxxer, in fact have been already vaccinated twice with Biontech (no ill effects), and was inclined anyway to do so again next year. But this "mandatory vaccination" stuff the entire German establishment is now converging on, with almost no debate and in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.

    Replies: @LatW

  168. @Dmitry
    @German_reader


    don’t think I read all of AK’s piece Karlin’s views aren’t sincere
     
    I also for years was never reading his posts (not from lack of respect, but because my attention span was too short to read a long blog article), and just skim reading the comments. But I should read his posts and enjoy them, because they are very clever if you see the ironic angle he uses.

    You can't miss how funny his writing is, and how much he is trolling. Now re-read, and you can see he has a very strong humour.

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view - which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism. His views mostly consistent and his support for Putin is not a contradiction.

    Look in the article and you can see how he embeds these jokes.

    Nationalism for him, means that you can enjoy Vietnamese food, in an Armenian owned shopping mall. Nationalists in Russia hate especially Armenians owning the businesses, so he knows how to troll hard. Nationalists in Russia also are kind of people who might really talk about trying to eat only "historical slavic foods" (I'm not joking).

    https://i.imgur.com/m53Np5g.jpg

    His joke is "nationalism must be successful, as it mysteriously "self-annihilates". It's because the FSB has priority target to destroy nationalism, as viewed as one of the main threats to the state. But the joke about "self-annihilates" is really funny as a joke about a false naivety.
    https://i.imgur.com/I5kbQ8d.jpg

    And he likes Margarita Simonyan to really troll.

    This is a brown Armenian woman, who has a kind of Armenian criminal family that steals openly money from the Russian budget (they employ every imaginable relative from this Armenian family, to take as much money from the budget). She promotes some imperialist views though.

    If you want to hear pro-LGBT, Russian liberals to start saying racist things, you can say how "Margarita Simonyan". On the Russian liberal sites, they all liberals start writing racist comments. Funny way to troll them.
    https://i.imgur.com/R0x00Bn.jpg


    “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies)
     
    Bashibuzuk is Russian. He is kind of angry because he doesn't have any "fashionable" Jewish or German, etc, ancestry. Baltic there is actually very good writer LatW here.

    grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic
     
    Yes I remember he posts a DNA test, which showed majority Slavic ancestry in his family. However, racist people in Russia, judge on appearance. They are not usually some "intellectuals interested in DNA mitochondria sequencing".

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum "Dvach", they were posting Karlin's photos of family, and they does indeed look like Middle Eastern relative (like darker than some Arabs). So his family would be a direct target of the violent nationalists, that Putin has crushed in the last two decades.

    Fortunately, these violent racists have been imprisoned, and their groups are broken by Putin. Fortunately, streets in Russia are safe for people of all origins, and nobody will attack Karlin's family. But it's a funny trolling of such blog against the violent hooligans who could have been dangerous in streets for the blog authors.


    tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia,

     

    And not recently. Russian Empire itself was ruled with help of a multinational aristocracy (including significant Caucasian aristocrats), and constantly adding new nationalities through conquests.

    Even with the high literacy nationalities, it's not like Lithuanians, Jews, have immigrated to Russia voluntarily. Empress Ekaterina II takes their homelands (and started to settle them soon in the Crimea) - Russian Empire demanded homelands of these nationalities in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against Polish demands. And Estonians were conquered and incorporated in Great Northern War.

    Multinationality in Russian Empire and later Soviet Union is one of the more direct results of Russian/Soviet imperialism, although until the Russian Federation there has not been a complete absence of internal border.

    Through the 19th century, Russian Empire is trying to crush nationalisms, and import imperialist ideologies to unsettle rival empires, like pan-Slavism.

    Meanwhile, rival empires, are trying to unsettle internally the Russian Empire, by promoting nationalisms within the Russian empire.


    nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians
     
    And Ukrainians, Tatars (see "Timati"), Bashkirs (yes still relevant - see "Morgenshtern"), Germans, Jews, Udmurts (yes in Russia, also there is a bit of traditional racism against physical appearance of Udmurts, is still sensitive topic). etc.

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like "Ukrainians don't exist" is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    Nowadays, for example, Ukrainians are supposedly spreading a lot of anti-vax propaganda in Russia (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/11/24/70273676.).
    Without a strong amount of imperialism, there isn't such a good motive to try to incorporate nationalities which are hostile to it. That is, you need to be very imperialism, to want to take into Russia, Ukraine, as there would have to be strong imposition of Russification within the Ukrainian territory.

    In a descriptive sense, I think Ukrainians are basically - Russians. (Even bodylanguage is the same). But in the political sense, you have to be having crazy doses of imperialism to want to conquer Ukraine, say "Ukrainians don't exist", and incorporate a hostile population.


    y resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.
     
    I'm pretty sure you know more history than all of us. So you are probably the only person who has professional knowledge to judge anything about European history here.

    That's also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    Replies: @sudden death, @German_reader, @Coconuts

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like “Ukrainians don’t exist” is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    It is a useful political concept because it can contain within itself different kinds of ideological baggage; e.g. the French Revolutionaries started to use the term to refer to the idea of loyalty to the new French Republic instead of the king, and it had a kind of emancipatory and universalist Enlightenment content.

    Later on different brands of European nationalism retained some of this progressive flavour, in theory at least. The Portuguese New State nationalism may qualify as an antecedent of the AK brand of Russian nationalism; here the colonising mission was considered integral to Portuguese national identity and the colonies ended up becoming provinces of a ‘multi-continental unitary nationalist republic’.

    Within this type of nationalism political parties were also illegal, because they created factions and divisions within the nation. This was pretty useful for the executive branch of government, which alone was responsible for determining the content and scope of the national interest.

  169. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history than a regime based on wokeness, which in some elements could be traced back to at least the 19th century and take up figures like Nat Turner and John Brown as its heroes for a new national mythology. I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US, when it's failed even in countries like Spain and Portugal, where it had deep roots in the national culture.

    Replies: @AP, @Coconuts, @LatW

    I’m vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history

    True, but the USA does have a long tradition of religious “fanatics” setting up their would-be utopias in their piece of the country. The Catholics could follow the Mormons, Hasids and Amish.
    An attempt in Florida:

    https://www.wired.com/2014/04/rawfile-0404-ave-maria/

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @AP

    But if I understand correctly, the Integralists like Vermeule don't want just to create a kind of separate society run according to Catholic norms, they would like to take over the entire state (e. g. Vermeule is apparently on record stating that he would make preferences for Catholics the overriding factor in the immigration system). I don't see how such a programme could ever be achieved, it sounds completely absurd to me, and I doubt even most American Catholics would support it.

    Replies: @AP

  170. German_reader says:
    @LatW
    @German_reader


    Of course in Germany they’re now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.
     
    Not for those just transiting through Frankfurt, I hope.

    What are the long term consequences for one's immunity from getting boosted every six months?

    Replies: @German_reader

    What are the long term consequences for one’s immunity from getting boosted every six months?

    I don’t think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect). People are passing around this on the net:
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
    I have no way of evaluating it, and there definitely needs to be more research. I’m also definitely not a dogmatic anti-vaxxer, in fact have been already vaccinated twice with Biontech (no ill effects), and was inclined anyway to do so again next year. But this “mandatory vaccination” stuff the entire German establishment is now converging on, with almost no debate and in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect).
     
    Even for those who are not anti-vaxx but just mildly skeptical and who have already taken the initial shots, this presents real problems (even without the hysteria which takes away from the quality of life and can cause anxiety in some people). If you're middle age you have to choose whether to take these boosters and potentially compromise long term health (let's say, if you're looking towards living the next 30-40 years in decent health, then these booster shots could be a factor for your immunity). And if you have a son, then it's even more problematic, because your son's health and safety is even more important than your own long term health.

    ...in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.
     
    Your nation is not worse than others that way these days. There are nutty enforcers in the Baltic States, too, and of course in Russia. Recently there was a rather big brawl on public transport somewhere in Siberia because people were being tossed out of busses for not being vaxxed. So it's quite a heavy disruption of normalcy. Poor Russia's still having bad numbers even with all the enforcers. And the anti-vaxx commies have nicknamed the mayor of Moscow "SS Sobyanin" and endearingly call him Gauleiter. LOL

    The one aspect that might be negative for Germany, though, is that there is now a "climate hysteria" from the Greens (it seems that's all they talk about) so you would have an Omicron hysteria on top of the climate hysteria. I trust in the pragmatism and the timeless rationality of your people, but it is a lot to put up with.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  171. German_reader says:
    @AP
    @German_reader


    I’m vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history
     
    True, but the USA does have a long tradition of religious "fanatics" setting up their would-be utopias in their piece of the country. The Catholics could follow the Mormons, Hasids and Amish.
    An attempt in Florida:

    https://www.wired.com/2014/04/rawfile-0404-ave-maria/

    Replies: @German_reader

    But if I understand correctly, the Integralists like Vermeule don’t want just to create a kind of separate society run according to Catholic norms, they would like to take over the entire state (e. g. Vermeule is apparently on record stating that he would make preferences for Catholics the overriding factor in the immigration system). I don’t see how such a programme could ever be achieved, it sounds completely absurd to me, and I doubt even most American Catholics would support it.

    • Replies: @AP
    @German_reader

    I'm not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.

    Extremely small chance of this ever happening, but slightly higher than 0%. More likely would be the takeover of some counties, as Mormon fundamentalists had done.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  172. @German_reader
    @AP

    But if I understand correctly, the Integralists like Vermeule don't want just to create a kind of separate society run according to Catholic norms, they would like to take over the entire state (e. g. Vermeule is apparently on record stating that he would make preferences for Catholics the overriding factor in the immigration system). I don't see how such a programme could ever be achieved, it sounds completely absurd to me, and I doubt even most American Catholics would support it.

    Replies: @AP

    I’m not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.

    Extremely small chance of this ever happening, but slightly higher than 0%. More likely would be the takeover of some counties, as Mormon fundamentalists had done.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @AP


    I’m not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.
     
    North Dakota might be an ideal choice.

    The population is small, the cost of living is lower than around major urban areas, a lot of white collar work is remote, there’s plenty of work for blue collar folks, and it might work culturally.

    There could be a mini-tech-hub around the University of Mary around Bismarck. Perhaps some integralist thought leaders could be lured there.

    Replies: @AP

  173. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history than a regime based on wokeness, which in some elements could be traced back to at least the 19th century and take up figures like Nat Turner and John Brown as its heroes for a new national mythology. I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US, when it's failed even in countries like Spain and Portugal, where it had deep roots in the national culture.

    Replies: @AP, @Coconuts, @LatW

    AFAIK there are different brands of it because the content is vague, Sohrab Ahmari is a more mainstream version than the Vermeule guy, who I have heard is close to the ‘Catholic Sharia’ wing. I don’t think they have much chance of doing a lot themselves, they would be more like part of a broader post-liberal right wing. I think you don’t need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, ‘why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?’

    Integralism with a secular veneer did okay in Portugal, the New State lasted 41 years with the same prime minister for 35 of them, and he was still rated as the greatest Portuguese figure of the 20th century in a national televised poll they did in the 2000s. The authoritarian regime was brought down by strong liberal democratic and secularising trends in Europe and the US, whereas imo Wokeness is a tendency in the opposite direction, more like a contemporary version of the sort of thing Integralism arose in opposition to in the early 20th C. As long as Wokeness is around, some sort of Integralist perspective may have a chance to emerge.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    I think you don’t need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, ‘why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?’
     
    I don't know, I mean the "woke" Muslims in US politics like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar don't really advocate for an Islamic system in the US, as far as I can tell, and they've adopted all the liberal pieties about LGBTQ+ issues, feminism etc. So at least their version of Islam seems to be fully compatible with wokeness, it's just seen as a matter of personal religious belief, which doesn't necessarily impinge on one's ideas about the constitutional order or lead to bigotry against homosexuals and other favored groups. Of course there are certainly many Muslims who have rather different ideas (we once had a Pakistani-American commenter here who was absolutely convinced most Americans would eventually convert to Islam, and then an Islamic order would be created in the US; he also was in favour of anti-blasphemy laws like in Pakistan, with corporal punishments like public whippings). But American liberals probably feel they can just ignore such sentiments, in the belief that most US Muslims will become like Ilhan Omar, that is assimilated into wokeness.
    As for Vermeule, I'm not sure I've characterized him correctly at all. This is his article from last year, which got a fairly hostile reception
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/common-good-constitutionalism/609037/
    but sounds rather more complex than just "Catholic theocracy". Bit difficult to evaluate of course what such abstract ideas about the interpretation of the constitution would mean in practice.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Coconuts, @Max Demian

  174. @German_reader
    @Coconuts

    I'm vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history than a regime based on wokeness, which in some elements could be traced back to at least the 19th century and take up figures like Nat Turner and John Brown as its heroes for a new national mythology. I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US, when it's failed even in countries like Spain and Portugal, where it had deep roots in the national culture.

    Replies: @AP, @Coconuts, @LatW

    I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US

    Why not try? If it works, it works, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. There’s no harm in trying. If they gave up contraception, they could slowly build a few towns.

    The only thing is that they probably wouldn’t be mostly of European origin.

  175. @Barbarossa
    @German_reader

    Well...Omicron is a pretty scary sounding name, so you have that. I mean, it could be a Tom Clancy title.

    Tom Clancy's- "The Omicron Strain"

    I think that basically justifies anything that governments may want to do.

    They sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that Greek alphabet, aren't they?

    Replies: @sudden death

    Should have been named straight out Necronomicon strain, scares and justifies anything even better, but guess Omicron is close enough sounding too 🙂

  176. @German_reader
    @LatW


    What are the long term consequences for one’s immunity from getting boosted every six months?
     
    I don't think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect). People are passing around this on the net:
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
    I have no way of evaluating it, and there definitely needs to be more research. I'm also definitely not a dogmatic anti-vaxxer, in fact have been already vaccinated twice with Biontech (no ill effects), and was inclined anyway to do so again next year. But this "mandatory vaccination" stuff the entire German establishment is now converging on, with almost no debate and in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.

    Replies: @LatW

    I don’t think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect).

    Even for those who are not anti-vaxx but just mildly skeptical and who have already taken the initial shots, this presents real problems (even without the hysteria which takes away from the quality of life and can cause anxiety in some people). If you’re middle age you have to choose whether to take these boosters and potentially compromise long term health (let’s say, if you’re looking towards living the next 30-40 years in decent health, then these booster shots could be a factor for your immunity). And if you have a son, then it’s even more problematic, because your son’s health and safety is even more important than your own long term health.

    …in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.

    Your nation is not worse than others that way these days. There are nutty enforcers in the Baltic States, too, and of course in Russia. Recently there was a rather big brawl on public transport somewhere in Siberia because people were being tossed out of busses for not being vaxxed. So it’s quite a heavy disruption of normalcy. Poor Russia’s still having bad numbers even with all the enforcers. And the anti-vaxx commies have nicknamed the mayor of Moscow “SS Sobyanin” and endearingly call him Gauleiter. LOL

    The one aspect that might be negative for Germany, though, is that there is now a “climate hysteria” from the Greens (it seems that’s all they talk about) so you would have an Omicron hysteria on top of the climate hysteria. I trust in the pragmatism and the timeless rationality of your people, but it is a lot to put up with.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @LatW

    From the study German_Reader linked, "11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk" is quite significant. It might still sound moderate, but this easily outsizes any benefit COVID mRNA vaccines have in the face of ever-mutating variants. I wonder if this applies to non-mRNA ones like Sputnik V & Sinovax, or if this is a bug in the mRNA tech.

    At least they've finally realized developing cures is the more efficient approach, even if alternative drugs' names e.g. hydroxychloroquine haven't been cleared, to protect the profits from new drugs.

    Anyway, if they're going the universal vaccination route, they need to ditch the vaccine passport - because who else will still be unvaccinated after that, but those who've made up their minds to live off-grid? At the very least, simply add records in the healthcare/vaccination system and go back to normal, without the gatekeeping.

  177. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend

    Saying that Karlin is Jewish, is one of the most implausible conspiracy theories.

    Notice Karlin doesn't know anything at all about Jewish culture, Jewish influence in Russia, Israel, etc - because the views he writes on these topics.

    Either he is completely lying by pretending to know nothing about Jews (in which case he is going too far lol with false naivety). Or he is completely clueless about Jews in Russia.

    For example, he doesn't know Potupchik is Jewish.

    This is the lieutenant of Surkov, who is the commander of the Kremlinbots, who is writes all the time about being Jewish, posts about what is reading in the Torah and it's connection to Russian patriotism.

    And her appearance is.

    https://i.imgur.com/jqtQfNK.jpg
    Karlin replied to me

    https://i.imgur.com/Z9zxhYp.jpg
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/guardian-publishes-neoliberalism-txt-manifesto/#comment-2792122

    -

    So it's not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I mean average person in Russia, would guess Potupchik is Jewish from her appearance.

    Without her strange fashions
    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/arguendi/47553507/1941012/1941012_300.jpg

    Although this Russian imperialist view to Israel, is a slightly bizarre and threatening to Israel.

    https://twitter.com/krispotupchik/status/1126185583699734528


    That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.
     
    I'm not saying that Karlin is trolling as a somekind of conspiracy.

    He presents his views in an honest and open way. But just they are imperialist views, and not nationalist. And he is trolling nationalists on that category difference. And the trolling works, because Russia's government itself seems it can be trying to re-categorize nationalism in this way, after crushing using nationalism the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    For example, he writes a lot about fertility rates in Russia.

    Fertility rates in Russia is a popular topic for nationalists, because within Russia the non-Russians have significantly higher fertility rates than the Russians. And Russian men have even slightly lower fertility rates (although fertility rates only look at women) than Russian women, Russian women with Muslim-origin nationality husbands, will be one of the high fertility groups in Russia.

    But Karlin is not interested in this topic of fertility rates between nationalities in Russia, which so scary for nationalists. Rather, he is interested in fertility rates difference between different countries (homogenizes the data for individual nationalities within Russia).

    This is because fertility rates difference between different countries, could be relevant for imperialism topics. While fertility rates difference within Russia, is only something relevant for nationalists.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend, @LatW, @Not Raul

    So it’s not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I get the sense that AK doesn’t live in the yuppie part of town like most English-speaking analysts in Moscow.

    I didn’t know any Jews growing up until I was a teenager. There was only one school in my town at that level at that time. Before then, I went to a school in my pleb neighborhood. I don’t remember seeing any Jews in my pleb neighborhood.

    What I saw as a teenager was that, while they were richer and more arrogant, they weren’t any smarter than us plebs.

  178. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts
    @German_reader

    AFAIK there are different brands of it because the content is vague, Sohrab Ahmari is a more mainstream version than the Vermeule guy, who I have heard is close to the 'Catholic Sharia' wing. I don't think they have much chance of doing a lot themselves, they would be more like part of a broader post-liberal right wing. I think you don't need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, 'why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?'

    Integralism with a secular veneer did okay in Portugal, the New State lasted 41 years with the same prime minister for 35 of them, and he was still rated as the greatest Portuguese figure of the 20th century in a national televised poll they did in the 2000s. The authoritarian regime was brought down by strong liberal democratic and secularising trends in Europe and the US, whereas imo Wokeness is a tendency in the opposite direction, more like a contemporary version of the sort of thing Integralism arose in opposition to in the early 20th C. As long as Wokeness is around, some sort of Integralist perspective may have a chance to emerge.

    Replies: @German_reader

    I think you don’t need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, ‘why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?’

    I don’t know, I mean the “woke” Muslims in US politics like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar don’t really advocate for an Islamic system in the US, as far as I can tell, and they’ve adopted all the liberal pieties about LGBTQ+ issues, feminism etc. So at least their version of Islam seems to be fully compatible with wokeness, it’s just seen as a matter of personal religious belief, which doesn’t necessarily impinge on one’s ideas about the constitutional order or lead to bigotry against homosexuals and other favored groups. Of course there are certainly many Muslims who have rather different ideas (we once had a Pakistani-American commenter here who was absolutely convinced most Americans would eventually convert to Islam, and then an Islamic order would be created in the US; he also was in favour of anti-blasphemy laws like in Pakistan, with corporal punishments like public whippings). But American liberals probably feel they can just ignore such sentiments, in the belief that most US Muslims will become like Ilhan Omar, that is assimilated into wokeness.
    As for Vermeule, I’m not sure I’ve characterized him correctly at all. This is his article from last year, which got a fairly hostile reception
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/common-good-constitutionalism/609037/
    but sounds rather more complex than just “Catholic theocracy”. Bit difficult to evaluate of course what such abstract ideas about the interpretation of the constitution would mean in practice.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @German_reader

    That's the goal of woke Muslims, eating the face of Islam, and that will drive the sharp drop in Muslim birth rates in the coming decades - but as always, much of the Muslim population around the world have been breeders for a longer time than the Christian population in the West, and any loss is compensated by their continued higher fertility.

    , @Coconuts
    @German_reader


    I don’t know, I mean the “woke” Muslims in US politics like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar don’t really advocate for an Islamic system in the US, as far as I can tell, and they’ve adopted all the liberal pieties about LGBTQ+ issues, feminism etc. So at least their version of Islam seems to be fully compatible with wokeness, it’s just seen as a matter of personal religious belief, which doesn’t necessarily impinge on one’s ideas about the constitutional order or lead to bigotry against homosexuals and other favored groups
     
    AFAIK in Woke there is no sphere of personal religious belief, quite famously 'the personal is the political', A Muslim who accepted the Woke positions about the evils of patriarchy, patriarchal marriage and sexual norms, cis- and heteronormativity would be radically redefining on every level what Islam and being a Muslim involves. I am sure they will attempt this radical redefinition (they are further down the track of attempting it with Christianity already) and women will lead the way, Integralism is plausibly one reaction against this process, at least it highlights that it is underway and some of what is going on.

    Replies: @German_reader

    , @Max Demian
    @German_reader


    (we once had a Pakistani-American commenter here who was absolutely convinced most Americans would eventually convert to Islam, and then an Islamic order would be created in the US; he also was in favour of anti-blasphemy laws like in Pakistan, with corporal punishments like public whippings).
     
    Are you referring-to the formerly highly active Talha?

    If so, did he ever actually endorse the position that anti-blasphemy laws of the type that you refer-to should be established in the United States of America (or for that matter, any other Western country)?
    ~ ~ ~

    Let me take this opportunity, Herr German_reader, to express my appreciation for your contributions to this site as a commenter. Although relatively limited, my familiarity with your writing is sufficient for me to easily place it among the most reasonable, level-headed, intelligent, and civil that I have seen on Unz Review.

    Ditto the above for Barbarossa.

    Replies: @German_reader

  179. @AP
    @German_reader

    I'm not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.

    Extremely small chance of this ever happening, but slightly higher than 0%. More likely would be the takeover of some counties, as Mormon fundamentalists had done.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    I’m not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.

    North Dakota might be an ideal choice.

    The population is small, the cost of living is lower than around major urban areas, a lot of white collar work is remote, there’s plenty of work for blue collar folks, and it might work culturally.

    There could be a mini-tech-hub around the University of Mary around Bismarck. Perhaps some integralist thought leaders could be lured there.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Not Raul

    North Dakota has only 760,000 people. If 400,000 Catholic Traditionalists ( a small percentage of America's 70 million total Catholics) moved there, combined with the "native" Catholics (currently 26% of the population) the state would become for Catholics what Utah is for Mormons.

  180. @Barbarossa
    @Mikel

    What! Fred Reed is gone too!
    Dang, it's getting grim.

    The only parts of this site I really frequent at all at this point are these AK open threads and scanning what click-bait Sailer has on offer.

    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors...

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Fred Reed was always pretty crap, aside from some occasionally interesting personal stories. I think he gained the attentions of our benevolent overlord mainly as someone that obviously couldn’t stand blacks, but had nothing but glowing praise for Hispanic immigration into the US.

    Also, if you hadn’t read already, it seems Fred Reed left in a fit of pique after Unz rubbished in a private email his typically shallow article ridiculing anyone who questions the official story on the 9/11 Attacks.
    It seems that like Linh Dinh, he’s one of those cantankerous personalities that loves to dish it out, but can’t any heat themselves. At least I have to give Karlin credit where it’s due here, “whilst I get called a spiteful mongrel on my own blog”.

    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors…

    Well, with the whole blogosphere practically dead, and everyone who retains a substantial following either on substack or tw*tter, it does seem very slim pickings. I would read Thorffinsson’s blog if he had time for it, lol.
    There was also the commenter ‘Glossy’ who left years ago (that thread where Karlin was praising Solzhenytsin and mocking Russia’s WWII celebrations, and got dogpiled by about half the Russian commentariat here at the time) I really liked his blog, but he scarcely wrote about politics and seems to have given up writing to waste his time of twitter.

    For the moment, if I was Unz, I’d start featuring/highlighting more old forgotten books or interesting articles from archived journals, available here on the archiv. There’s a vast amount of material there but it’s somewhat tucked away, people don’t know what to look for, and it seems almost nobody here uses it much.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Svidomyatheart
    @Yevardian

    Well twitter is fucked now. As much as jack dorsey sucked with twitter censorship, its going to get a lot worse lol.
    Forget about my posts where I said twitter was one of the best platform for dissenting voices and a medium to quickly learn about other cultures.
    its new CEO is Indian who is openly already displaying Jewish like nepotism and hes already doing work putting in censorship laws in effect. Here is his first day at work and here are his actual views
    https://i.imgur.com/pELjafC.png

    Callow ethnonarcissists at the head of cosmopolitan corporations and platforms is of course a great idea.
    https://i.imgur.com/KGitBmH.png


    And of course the obligatory bobs vegana sex pest.
    https://i.imgur.com/yvY6zLt.jpg

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Yevardian

  181. @Not Raul
    @AP


    I’m not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.
     
    North Dakota might be an ideal choice.

    The population is small, the cost of living is lower than around major urban areas, a lot of white collar work is remote, there’s plenty of work for blue collar folks, and it might work culturally.

    There could be a mini-tech-hub around the University of Mary around Bismarck. Perhaps some integralist thought leaders could be lured there.

    Replies: @AP

    North Dakota has only 760,000 people. If 400,000 Catholic Traditionalists ( a small percentage of America’s 70 million total Catholics) moved there, combined with the “native” Catholics (currently 26% of the population) the state would become for Catholics what Utah is for Mormons.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  182. @LatW
    @German_reader


    I don’t think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect).
     
    Even for those who are not anti-vaxx but just mildly skeptical and who have already taken the initial shots, this presents real problems (even without the hysteria which takes away from the quality of life and can cause anxiety in some people). If you're middle age you have to choose whether to take these boosters and potentially compromise long term health (let's say, if you're looking towards living the next 30-40 years in decent health, then these booster shots could be a factor for your immunity). And if you have a son, then it's even more problematic, because your son's health and safety is even more important than your own long term health.

    ...in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.
     
    Your nation is not worse than others that way these days. There are nutty enforcers in the Baltic States, too, and of course in Russia. Recently there was a rather big brawl on public transport somewhere in Siberia because people were being tossed out of busses for not being vaxxed. So it's quite a heavy disruption of normalcy. Poor Russia's still having bad numbers even with all the enforcers. And the anti-vaxx commies have nicknamed the mayor of Moscow "SS Sobyanin" and endearingly call him Gauleiter. LOL

    The one aspect that might be negative for Germany, though, is that there is now a "climate hysteria" from the Greens (it seems that's all they talk about) so you would have an Omicron hysteria on top of the climate hysteria. I trust in the pragmatism and the timeless rationality of your people, but it is a lot to put up with.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    From the study German_Reader linked, “11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk” is quite significant. It might still sound moderate, but this easily outsizes any benefit COVID mRNA vaccines have in the face of ever-mutating variants. I wonder if this applies to non-mRNA ones like Sputnik V & Sinovax, or if this is a bug in the mRNA tech.

    At least they’ve finally realized developing cures is the more efficient approach, even if alternative drugs’ names e.g. hydroxychloroquine haven’t been cleared, to protect the profits from new drugs.

    Anyway, if they’re going the universal vaccination route, they need to ditch the vaccine passport – because who else will still be unvaccinated after that, but those who’ve made up their minds to live off-grid? At the very least, simply add records in the healthcare/vaccination system and go back to normal, without the gatekeeping.

  183. @German_reader
    @Coconuts


    I think you don’t need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, ‘why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?’
     
    I don't know, I mean the "woke" Muslims in US politics like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar don't really advocate for an Islamic system in the US, as far as I can tell, and they've adopted all the liberal pieties about LGBTQ+ issues, feminism etc. So at least their version of Islam seems to be fully compatible with wokeness, it's just seen as a matter of personal religious belief, which doesn't necessarily impinge on one's ideas about the constitutional order or lead to bigotry against homosexuals and other favored groups. Of course there are certainly many Muslims who have rather different ideas (we once had a Pakistani-American commenter here who was absolutely convinced most Americans would eventually convert to Islam, and then an Islamic order would be created in the US; he also was in favour of anti-blasphemy laws like in Pakistan, with corporal punishments like public whippings). But American liberals probably feel they can just ignore such sentiments, in the belief that most US Muslims will become like Ilhan Omar, that is assimilated into wokeness.
    As for Vermeule, I'm not sure I've characterized him correctly at all. This is his article from last year, which got a fairly hostile reception
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/common-good-constitutionalism/609037/
    but sounds rather more complex than just "Catholic theocracy". Bit difficult to evaluate of course what such abstract ideas about the interpretation of the constitution would mean in practice.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Coconuts, @Max Demian

    That’s the goal of woke Muslims, eating the face of Islam, and that will drive the sharp drop in Muslim birth rates in the coming decades – but as always, much of the Muslim population around the world have been breeders for a longer time than the Christian population in the West, and any loss is compensated by their continued higher fertility.

  184. @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry

    As noted, whether Karlin is 3% or 30% or 100% Jewish is sort of irrelevant to my conclusions. It doesn't really change my view of him or his opinions. I don't think he's faking his anti-black racism or his homophobia. He has spent too much time in far-right environments in both in Russia, abroad and online for it to just be a joke or a big troll. That's where I disagree with you.

    Now, you may think him having such opinions is weird given his ethnic background. But is not unheard of for mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I've both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s (Jackie Arklöf). Not saying AK is on that level, just using an extreme example to drive home the point.

    Was it Guillaume Durocher who noted that 2nd-gen mixed whites are highly over-represented among the far-right in France? He often spoke of how many Portuguese-French he had met in those groups. The psychological reasons for this are interesting and complex, even in an all-white milieu. When people have no clear belonging early in life, they become more susceptible for extreme ideas. Karlin is now at great pains to distance himself from rightoids, with mixed success at convincing his readers, which is amusing to me. Perhaps his run-ins with the anti-vaxxtards/loons during the debates over vaccines and masks scarred him?

    I think you're getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it's a sidenote of marginal interest. Doesn't really change my view, since it isn't conditional for any other conclusion.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    faking his anti-black racism

    Yes I remember he has a dislike of black people, which is not really consistent because in Russia he is more like in the position of black person in the USA. (Caucasian people kind of the local equivalent of African Americans).

    But probably it’s related to the believe in the “national IQ tables published in Unz”. If you believed that, and you wanted to “increase IQ” by blocking African immigrants.

    He idealizes Chinese people for the same reason. (Nationalism in Russia is more like “Eurocentric white nationalist” movement – i.e. they don’t idealize Chinese).

    On the other hand, for Russian imperialist, there is nothing bad with China at the moment (China is friendly). And for Russian imperialist that believes in “national IQ claims”, then China can be an example to follow.

    mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I’ve both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s

    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of ” status anxiety of the middle class”. So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don’t think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it’s likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.

    He also writes about how he like pigs and we shouldn’t eat them, because they are more intelligent than other animals. So all his system is logically consistent and honest there. You don’t need to speculate, even if you disagree.

    getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it’s a sidenote of marginal interest.

    Because Jews (and more people with Jewish roots) are very influential in Russia (especially in the upper class), and this influential aspect, is another topic nationalists (in Russia) are angry about. Although of course, it’s of course less of important topic for nationalists than the Muslims, Caucasians, Central Asians, etc.

    So stereotypically nationalists was spamming “of course Putin is a Jew”. And then another nationalist will be writing “Putin is speaking like this, because he was educated in a Yeshiva and is working part-time as a rabbi in two synagogues”. Someone else will say “of course, all politicians in Russia have worked in the synagogue for at least three years before they are eligible, so you can’t say Putin has a specially Jewish way of speaking”.

    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin’s blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.

    But that is fine and consistent for Karlin’s political stream, which is Russian imperialism, who likes Putin and even Margarita Simonyan. Jews (like some hundred of other nationalities) are part of the multinational tapestry in Russia, and just a frequent component of the ruling elite of Russia. Karlin supports the direction the rulers are following for the country, so why should he care.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry


    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of ” status anxiety of the middle class”. So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don’t think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it’s likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.
     

    He has described some black women as 'ogres'. He has a visceral dislike of blacks that extends beyond IQ table autism. One of his first observations when landing in Russia is how easy it is to use homophobic slurs, which he praised, and he has consistently brought up gay marriage and pride parades as a key metric in his view of various countries. Often when he wanted to beat up on Ukraine he used these talkings points, negatively mentioning pride parades in Kyiv etc.

    He often does this unprompted, so it isn't just pandering to the audience. Even if he were pandering to the audience, it would undermine the "just trolling" thesis, since it would achieve the opposite effect of getting a rise out of people by playing to their prejudices. As it happens, I believe he genuinely has homophobia. We can disagree over that if you want.


    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin’s blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.
     

    This is true and it's true in a Western context as well. This is what prodded Langdom to call him out initially. I personally find his re-telling of the communist revolution as basically the work of Balts + Eastern Europeans (non-Russian) while completely avoiding mentioning any significant Jewish influence to be strange. Even more strange is how little he talks of the 1990s destruction of Russia and how he completely avoids mentioning the key role of Jewish oligarchs (on both sides of the Atlantic).

    This consistent pattern, coupled with his attacks on his commentators who brought up any issue related to Jewish influence, is what piqued my interest. When Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian, it made it harder to ignore. Together with his visits to synagogues, Jewish museums and praise for Israel, it became harder still.

    Nevertheless, it is entirely possible that Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more ancestry. I think the kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background. People who dislike people based on IQ charts, have some mild forms of regressive social views on women and sexual minorities but largely avoid any discussion of Jewish influence, in part because many of them have it (e.g. Moldbug and others). As it happens, many of these NRx types are also promoting ideas for an elite technocracy and they push crypto, which surely appeals both to Karlin's interests as well as to his vanity.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  185. @Thulean Friend
    The Battle for Lake Chosin, a Chinese war film, is now the highest-grossing film of 2021.
    I've skimmed the film by viewing a pirated copy on Vimeo (since taken down). My impression is that even for propaganda purposes, it is poorly made. Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it's night and day.

    Thanks to an intense Hollywood campaign spanning many decades, most young Europeans would credit the US for the liberation of Europe rather than the USSR. Such is the power of the American propaganda machine. China, by contrast, has nothing. Even when its films are successful, that success is solely limited to domestic audiences, severely limiting its ability to project soft power abroad.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape. As a consequence, she was "disappeared". When questions were raised, Chinese Twitter accounts affiliated with state media put out obviously faked screenshots of what was supposed to be her mailed statements. Except they contained no timestamps, no addresses or any other details.

    Obviously the Western media cynically exploited this scandal but the Chinese reaction was a timely reminder that Chinese propaganda remains abysmal.

    If you look at Chinese cultural output more broadly, I see nothing akin to Japan's manga or Korea's K-pop. The only area where I can see some genuine achievements would be science fiction, but that is a very niche field and it plays to China's strengths (science/tech).

    Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don't have "Indian towns".

    Will any of this matter? If you think China has a shot at replacing the US, then it should give you pause. American ability to brainwash foreigners is an extremely underrated tool of its power projection. If you do not China has the capability to become the uncontested hegemon - and I do not, as my bet with AK proves - then this will merely serve as confirmation of your skepticism. Of course, propaganda is merely one tool of the arsenal of a superpower. Economic strength is the most important one, but even there I am doubtful that China will ever meaningfully surpass the US. That's another debate, however.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain, @Beckow, @Ron Unz, @songbird, @Erzberger, @showmethereal

    I was pleased to see that this new Open Thread was doing fine and attracting lots of discussion, so I decided to browse through it a little myself, and a few things jumped out at me.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape.

    This seems a perfect example of the awesome power of the American MSM to “create reality” from absolutely nothing at all. I found the debunking of the MoA blogger quite convincing:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    To the extent that any of you check the material and ultimately agree with my conclusions, perhaps you should do some extrapolation and interpolation to other important matters in which your understanding of the world comes from the Western MSM.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @Ron Unz

    As I wrote in my comment, the Western approach to these topics is self-serving and cynical. I wasn't commenting on the facts. I was commenting on the propaganda power of the US and how China had nothing comparable.

    I don't see how the material that you provided changed that observation. China's cultural and media influence is shockingly poor outside of its borders. The very fact that you had to go to an unknown blog to find the real version only reinforces this observation. Ideally, those things should have been easily available to you from official Chinese sources. But they aren't, and that is precisely the problem.

    Replies: @Ron Unz

  186. @German_reader
    @songbird


    As to the charge of anti-Semitism
     
    Antisemitism is certainly a major theme on UR, perhaps even its main theme. I'd be lying if I claimed it bothered me that much, since imo there are at least some partial truths in the antisemitic material (Jewish nationalism and Jewish power are a real factor in the world, from my perspective frequently a negative one). However, when one reads the antisemitic authors on UR like Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Tobias Langdon, imo there's no denying that their arguments are ultimately pretty extreme, despite the seemingly academic format. They really do present Jews as a monolithically evil force throughout the ages (sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children). It's hard to see what their solution for the Jewish issue could be, if not an eliminationist one, and in the comment sections commenters like "neutral" (who once was active on AK's blog) are drawing exactly that conclusion. Of course those points apply even more to someone like the openly pro-Nazi Raches and his commenters. So imo calling much of UR antisemitic is just a factual description.
    However I agree with you that UR is unlikely to spur violence in the real world, it's probably still too cerebral for the sort of people who are inclined to commit mass shootings and the like.

    Replies: @songbird, @Ron Unz

    MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children

    I don’t think MacDonald has ever made that claim, at least in anything more than the vaguest and most glancing fashion. And if he did, I’m pretty sure he would have gotten the material from a couple of my own 2018 articles, which discussed the issue in far more substantial fashion:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    Meanwhile, I think I’d originally discovered those shocking facts from a couple of Israel Shamir’s columns originally published on Counterpunch around 2007 or 2008.

  187. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    ...after crushing nationalism using the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).
     
    The problem here is that the violent "kitty murderers" (and real criminals) and other "flashy" types (such as Tesak, whom Bashi liked and the circumstances of whose death he very rightfully questioned) are only the visible part. There are others out there who are not violent but who are now "sitting". They may have said something against Caucasians or what not, or changing the constitutional order (which understandably could be viewed as problematic) or the ruling class, but the truth is that some of them are genuine political prisoners. And they were removed because, while they are quite marginal, they still represent a sliver on the political spectrum which is constant. In a free society they would form into a permanent political party which would be taking away votes from the "systemic" parties and because of their staunch principles they'd be impossible to control by the Kremlin.

    Why should have someone like Dima Dyomushkin been dragged through the penitentiary system for years, his health crushed and best years taken? Sitting in the same cell, btw, where Navalny is currently sitting. It's because he was political competition, and especially competition in the niche that the Kremlin doesn't want to see filled or to exist in the first place (European oriented, ethnocentric, "national bourgeoisie" party, for the lack of a better term).

    Of course, you're also right that Russia didn't start in the 19th century as some ethnostate, Russia started hundreds of years ago and formed into having 200 nationalities in one state. So it's a big job to keep everyone happy and included. From that perspective there is not much space for pro-European nationalists in Russia. But then they end up missing out on some real nationalist policies (like reigning in ethnic mafias, prioritizing higher social standards for the Slavic population, developing of genuine narodovlastie, protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc). Also, trying to appease everyone doesn't keep certain more capable groups from having outsized influence.

    It might also be true that some of the nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin's introduction of the term "historical Russia" (roughly overlaps both the Tsarist Empire and the USSR). My hunch is also that the kind of fellows we used to see in the РНЕ way back, with the new generation now grown up and come of age, have now simply migrated to the spetsnaz (they're not even hiding it anymore and openly wear the Kolovrat and Old Slav runic patches).

    By the way, the great Russian-Chechen patriot Surkov just came out with another pseudo-philosophical opus on Russia's historical mission. Didn't yet have time to read it but the Ukrainians were parsing it last week.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Kremlin doesn’t want to see filled or to exist

    I’m very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me (not so fairly for its ideas, but more its image – it becomes a sieve for picking racist people). Moreover, in my own life, my experience of multinational contexts has always been utopian – although this experience I lived is a bubble (multinationality is not so utopian during the Yugoslav war or Lebanese civil war).

    But while I don’t feel any sympathy for violent hooligans going to prison, the anti-nationalism of the Russian government is also pretty extreme.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples’ nationalities in relation to reporting on crime? https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/21931-8

    I’m also sympathetic to a kind of 19th century nationalism based on the concept of self-determination of people, and where there is in fact movement away from imperialism in this. I.e. multi-state solution for difficult to manage empires.

    But this kind of mutual separatist nationalism is not in the self-interest of the authorities of great empires either, so it’s kind of pointless utopianism to think about it.

    protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc).

    Limiting immigration with selection for Russia, would be an improvement for the country compared to current open borders – whether from nationalist, or non-nationalist citizens’ perspective. But the government has gone in open borders strategy for decades now.

    On the other hand, protectionist economic policy neither seems to be useful from nationalist, or normal non-nationalist citizens’ perspective. The real motive why it is promoted is more simply because it allows you to replace foreign competition and consumer choice, for local elites’ businesses. Even e.g. imported Polish apples (that Poland bans from Russia). were replaced by apples produced by Gennady Timchenko’s owned agriculture. Normal people lose options and pay more, but for the political class it was a “state capture” opportunity.

    nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin’s introduction of the term “historical

    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction. Why do you think Russia is multinational, and Russian elite far more multinational than the Russian public. This is how vast empires (and Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russian Federation are the world’s largest contiguous empires) have to be managed.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is – what works. Everytime the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.

    Well, historically there were internal immigration borders, which reduced those problems. And today there are open borders.

    If I remember accurate, I saw a lecture, where they said that Surkov said that nationalism is the greatest threat to the integrity of the Russian Federation today. However, in a few decades, it will not be a threat. This is the hope the population will stabilize or homogenize enough to reduce this threat to the authorities. In terms of nationalities like Tatars, it’s very realistic (they are losing any opportunity for national separation, due to their declining demographics – intermarriage, and loss of separate culture).

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    I’m very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me
     
    I understand, but I invite you to look at this from a different angle. As I said, aside from the actual violent types (who are few), these ethnonationalists maintain their position not from some "hate", but from love for their culture and people. A lot of what they talk about is not even racial, but more along the lines of economic interests and wellbeing.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples’ nationalities in relation to reporting on crime?
     
    Yes, I saw that today. It almost reminds me of the Swedish law. And by the way, it was proposed by Chechens. Are things so bad that this is now needed? Was this brought up because of the recent "ethnic crimes"? The incident on metro (a Slavic man with a child was attacked?). I guess I agree with Dima Dyomushkin - first, there seem to be a lot of restrictions lately in general, neither highlighting nor hiding the ethnicity is necessary. He said over 50% of crimes in Moscow are committed by non-locals. Everyone will know anyway who it is. And apparently Caucasians respect their own elders more than the RusFed law.

    I understand that there are problems for those that come from Caucasus who are uprooted, away from their caring traditional culture. And I think they remember the war (the young know about it, too).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRvSdOEAIyA&t=674s


    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction.
     
    Yes, you're right - "historical Russia" is an imperialist term.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is – what works. Every time the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.
     
    Of course, I know this very well, this is how the SU worked, otherwise it wouldn't have worked. They had to integrate everyone and repress any kind of differences. Or at least dilute them somewhat (or pretend they don't exist). I don't envy Russians -- they have to constantly work with all the "root nationalities" and show tolerance.

    This is the eternal dilemma for Russian ethnonationalist, because you can't have your cake and eat it too. Giving up territory or giving too much autonomy is not acceptable but to absorb everyone is a lot of work.


    In terms of nationalities like Tatars, it’s very realistic
     
    I don't know about Tatars, but I know that Udmurts have issues with retaining their authenticity. Not too long ago an Udmurt man self immolated because he felt that his language was disappearing (or that it wasn't protected enough by the state).

    Replies: @Yevardian

    , @Max Demian
    @Dmitry


    I’m very strongly anti-racist,
     
    1.) How would you define racism?

    2.) Regardless of any legitimate meaning that the word may have had at one time, given how corrupted and weaponized it and associated concepts have become, is it still prudent to use terms like racism unironically and without careful qualification?

    Homophobia is another term, a dubious neologism, for which the same questions could be asked. I noticed that it appears numerous times in the comments of one of the individuals who has contributed to this thread. (Apparently unironically, and certainly without any explicit or even clearly apparent qualification.)

    Replies: @A123, @Barbarossa

  188. @German_reader
    @Dmitry


    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?
     
    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don't you think?
    I don't really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I've written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Frank Miller, @Thulean Friend, @Ron Unz

    I’ve written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history).

    Thanks for the very kind words, which I greatly appreciate.

    But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    You certainly may be correct, but I think the trade-offs are more complex than that.

    Obviously, the content promoted by this website is extremely unlikely to have the sort of incremental or marginal impact on the public debate that is the intended goal of virtually all existing opinion journalism. As a consequence, the likely impact is close to zero.

    However, I do believe that there is a small but non-trivial possibility that it may at some point have an enormous impact on the public debate. For example, taken together the elements of my quite explosive American Pravda series have accumulated several million pageviews, and there’s no way of knowing exactly who has been reading those articles or what impact they may have had:

    https://www.unz.com/ebook/our-american-pravda-series-ebook/

    Given that this series constitutes a comprehensive counter-narrative to the established history of the last one hundred years, if even just two or three of the individual items were absorbed and assimilated, the impact would be enormous.

    So one media strategy may be seeking a 20% chance of changing the debate by 0.1%, while another strategy may be seeking a 0.1% chance of changing the debate by 20%.

  189. @Thulean Friend
    The Battle for Lake Chosin, a Chinese war film, is now the highest-grossing film of 2021.
    I've skimmed the film by viewing a pirated copy on Vimeo (since taken down). My impression is that even for propaganda purposes, it is poorly made. Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it's night and day.

    Thanks to an intense Hollywood campaign spanning many decades, most young Europeans would credit the US for the liberation of Europe rather than the USSR. Such is the power of the American propaganda machine. China, by contrast, has nothing. Even when its films are successful, that success is solely limited to domestic audiences, severely limiting its ability to project soft power abroad.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape. As a consequence, she was "disappeared". When questions were raised, Chinese Twitter accounts affiliated with state media put out obviously faked screenshots of what was supposed to be her mailed statements. Except they contained no timestamps, no addresses or any other details.

    Obviously the Western media cynically exploited this scandal but the Chinese reaction was a timely reminder that Chinese propaganda remains abysmal.

    If you look at Chinese cultural output more broadly, I see nothing akin to Japan's manga or Korea's K-pop. The only area where I can see some genuine achievements would be science fiction, but that is a very niche field and it plays to China's strengths (science/tech).

    Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don't have "Indian towns".

    Will any of this matter? If you think China has a shot at replacing the US, then it should give you pause. American ability to brainwash foreigners is an extremely underrated tool of its power projection. If you do not China has the capability to become the uncontested hegemon - and I do not, as my bet with AK proves - then this will merely serve as confirmation of your skepticism. Of course, propaganda is merely one tool of the arsenal of a superpower. Economic strength is the most important one, but even there I am doubtful that China will ever meaningfully surpass the US. That's another debate, however.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain, @Beckow, @Ron Unz, @songbird, @Erzberger, @showmethereal

    In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don’t have “Indian towns”.

    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure. TBH, does not seem like a valid criticism. Many Chinatowns are fairly small. None of them are fully homogeneous. Are you saying that there are no comparable concentrations of subcons in the West? Or that they aren’t as popular with tourists? Or aren’t old enough to have map names?

    Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it’s night and day.

    I only watched the trailer. I’ll allow that it might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda? Well, it was high budget. It had a certain amount of spectacle. But many parts of the film were quite weak. There was basically a media campaign to say it was a good movie, but I’m not sure that I remember anyone who thought that it was a good movie. “Evil German” is one of the most cloying cliches in Hollywood. They tried to pass Vin Diesel off as an Italian! Even without a lot of janky CGI, it is not very realistic in a lot of areas.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure
     
    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case. Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period. Yet Indians, despite being majority "1st gen status" in America, have no similar equivalents. If anything, you'd expect this social urge to be stronger for people who are still 1st gen. Of course, Indians still congregate around their own kin - like all minorities - but they do not self-isolate to the same extent.

    More importantly, they engage the broader public more directly and get rewarded for doing so. Some of this differential is surely related to the geopolitical tensions with China, which I think is making it harder for person of mainland origin to get promoted to the top levels in a way that it isn't for an Indian. But even beyond tech, this cultural disparity exists.


    I’ll allow that [Battle of Lake Chosin] might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.
     
    I mean... it is clearly successful when measuring it by those metrics, which is likely the key objective of the backers of the film. But the world is larger than China's borders and it will have minimal impact outside of it, unlike US propaganda. That's the fundamental argument I am making.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda?

     

    When viewed in context - of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR - yes, it was and remains successful propaganda. The intention is not to blatantly lie about history, rather US propaganda efforts is aimed at "saturating" the mindspace for the population so that only the US view becomes the default. That is how the US succeeds in getting people from across the world to conform to its world view, so much so that even Europeans these days have assimilated the US-centric view of WWII and credit it more than the Soviets.

    I have only seen polls on Europeans, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same held for Latinx Americans, MENA, Africa and even many Asian countries.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

  190. @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend

    I was pleased to see that this new Open Thread was doing fine and attracting lots of discussion, so I decided to browse through it a little myself, and a few things jumped out at me.


    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape.
     
    This seems a perfect example of the awesome power of the American MSM to "create reality" from absolutely nothing at all. I found the debunking of the MoA blogger quite convincing:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    To the extent that any of you check the material and ultimately agree with my conclusions, perhaps you should do some extrapolation and interpolation to other important matters in which your understanding of the world comes from the Western MSM.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    As I wrote in my comment, the Western approach to these topics is self-serving and cynical. I wasn’t commenting on the facts. I was commenting on the propaganda power of the US and how China had nothing comparable.

    I don’t see how the material that you provided changed that observation. China’s cultural and media influence is shockingly poor outside of its borders. The very fact that you had to go to an unknown blog to find the real version only reinforces this observation. Ideally, those things should have been easily available to you from official Chinese sources. But they aren’t, and that is precisely the problem.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    @Thulean Friend


    I wasn’t commenting on the facts. I was commenting on the propaganda power of the US and how China had nothing comparable.

    I don’t see how the material that you provided changed that observation. China’s cultural and media influence is shockingly poor outside of its borders.
     
    Sure, I'd agree with you 100% that American MSM and global propaganda is enormously powerful compared with its Chinese counterpart, or that of Russia or Iran. But while propaganda is important, I do think over time actual Reality is more important. Don't forget that the US convinced the world it was considered best prepared for the Covid epidemic:

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/map-epidemic-preparedness-index.jpg

    And according to Reality America has been doing very badly in recent decades, while China has been doing extremely well. That's because our elites are very good at propaganda, while theirs are good at Reality. I'd still stand by what I wrote back in 2012:

    Some of the sources of Chinese success and American decay are not entirely mysterious. As it happens, the typical professional background of a member of China’s political elite is engineering; they were taught to build things. Meanwhile, a remarkable fraction of America’s political leadership class attended law school, where they were trained to argue effectively and to manipulate. Thus, we should not be greatly surprised that while China’s leaders tend to build, America’s leaders seem to prefer endless manipulation, whether of words, money, or people.
     
    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    Replies: @Barbarossa, @Frank Miller

  191. @Pericles
    @songbird

    If memory serves, the tide of terrifying white free speech on Twitter is currently held back by a chubby Indian woman and her minions. With a woke new brown CEO, perhaps we will now even find 'Thomm' hanging around there, should he be able to scrounge up a promotion?

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That's worth some attention, in my mind.

    Also, in the more general US industry, Warren Buffett is preparing to hand over his vast conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway to one of his two lieutenants, one of which is Indian (the other is a Jew). Though Warren è mobile and has discarded several similar attempts so who knows, but presumably he will have to make up his mind soon.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Thulean Friend, @Thomm

    Heh. I am not a ‘South Asian’. No one with an IQ above 70 thinks I am. Ron Unz admitted that he floated that meme to see if the WN wiggers would believe anything. Sometimes he still pushes it even though he contradicted it before, because he knows his 70-IQ lab rats (like Pericles) can’t keep up.

    Thulean Friend can confirm that I am not a ‘South Asian’ if you can persuade him to spend a few minutes evaluating the last 3 years of my comment history. He has written about South Asia about 30 times as much as I have. Talha also confirmed my demographic identity when he was here.

    Lastly, remember that Pericles has openly and proudly said that he would rather have sex with a white man than with even a pretty mulatta/quatroon woman like Halle Berry, since to him, race loyalty has to trump sexual orientation (and he is baffled as to why the other 97% of whites don’t agree).

    He is desperately (and unsuccessfully) trying to conceal the fact that White Nationalism is now an entirely homosexual ideology. That is why we don’t let these deviants pollute mainstream, heterosexual white society.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  192. @LatW
    @Dmitry


    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.
     
    Possibly yes, if you look at the average. There's a strata in Moscow that has always been very stylish. Not just clothing but also demeanor, speech. Obviously, as in any big city. In the West, it kind of depends on the person's individual style and effort, if you put in the work, you can be very original.

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing. As in, normal modern clothing with just a little bit extra flare. Why I bring up this trivial matter is because some rather interesting original Russian clothing brands have come online recently. There are a few that merge into the Western style but retain some Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia. Especially if they had the ability to scale & create broader marketing (they are typically boutique). Another one that comes to mind is Gosha Rubchinskiy, a contemporary Russian designer who has tried to redefine and recapture the post-Soviet aesthetic. He doesn't yet cross into avant garde but he's definitely edgy and borderline provocative. This is an interesting question - to move away from that aesthetic entirely or to play with it. Especially since after 30 years one can finally have the comfort / privilege of distance when viewing it.

    Here is his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol). It would most likely qualify as entartete Kunst, but it's quite well done (and some pieces actually look quite wearable), you can see all the different post-Soviet Russian masculinities on display there (the soccer player, gopnik, the "militsioner", nerd, etc, even the classic stylized РНЕ uniform, very provocative, he should be careful not to trivialize it, bu there is definitely a nationalist twist in his fashion):

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd79XwLBx3e/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

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    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing

    Well backstory in this video, you can notice socialites are being hosted by Roman Abramovich’s girlfriend at Garage art gallery at 1:00. Everyone knows the main motive for this Abramovich interest in modern art, is probably money laundering and financial speculation. And there is event host https://www.instagram.com/edikyakut/ (who probably can get you the best prostitutes for your party)

    But if you recognize those socialites’ faces across Instagram, you can see some of them using parents’ money as a startup capital to add hipster services in Moscow. and develop the vast hipster culture that is now booming there. And Artem Korelev (https://www.instagram.com/artem) I guess is just a celebrity from his own ambition and LGBT charisma.

    These hipsters in the video are founding hipster projects. So I guess they are not all completely useless hipsters, but a kind of entrepreneurial spreaders of culture across the city
    https://www.instagram.com/slavagee/ (who often buys \$10,000 pairs of sneakers)
    https://www.instagram.com/lenaweinstein/ some kinds of tasteful entrepreneur women
    https://www.instagram.com/fechoo/
    https://www.instagram.com/sasha_sofine/
    https://www.instagram.com/mariakakdela/

    But then others in the video looks like unemployed looking hipsters to me. As it’s known in the West as well, hipster can become also just a disguise for playboying
    https://www.instagram.com/leoratner/
    https://www.instagram.com/vsupernaskov/

    Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia.

    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes than most European nationalities (excluding French, Italians, maybe Germans). Clothes are very important even when you are a child.

    But seriously, I think there are extreme problems in terms of the production supply for clothes, who are mostly imported from China even for domestic brands. For a funny story, when Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krjfsq8Qg7E.) But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.

    his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol).

    Maybe this will trigger Bashibuzuk to return.

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern “community centre” in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It’s not only some “centre of evil” that it is portrayed by the “patriotic media”.

    there (the soccer player,

    There is “offnik” fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.

    I’ve not been living in Russia for years now, and losing contact to Russian culture greatly, and so finding it kind of bizarre to read about these Generation Z trends.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn’t protest Lukashenko) – he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.

    • Replies: @LatW
    @Dmitry


    hipster projects
     
    These hipsters with the Instagram accounts you posted seem a bit decadent, I thought the original idea for hipsters was to reduce consumption, recycle clothes, bike, scale down, etc. :)

    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes
     
    Not only that, Russia is very artistic. There is untapped potential. The combination of modern and traditional, boldness of colors and ideas. But, yea, sourcing quality material is expensive and to produce for the West is hard, Gosha Rubchinskiy said he didn't have the capacity to produce enough clothing for his fans in London, but then he found some English partners and it sold well. His black paramilitary shirt is selling for $600 on Farfetch (a pretty well known luxury store). Know that there are Swedish high end clothing brands in places like New York where very simple looking sweaters are selling for $200, so these kinds of designers, if they had the marketing, could do ok.


    Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu...
     
    Oh, I see he tried ingratiating himself with the powers that be. :) Should he become a Yedinoros? :) I'm not a fan of his tbh (but he has a really beautiful baby mama).

    But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.
     
    Seriously? LOL. He always brags about how rich he is and he can't create his own authentic collection? Well, if he did do that, it probably wouldn't be in military style. Btw, those designs in the video are pretty decent, it's just hard to tell if the fabric is of good quality.

    There is “offnik” fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.
     
    That's the football ultras look, they have it in Ukraine, too. We call them "урла". But this offnik looks a bit more stylish. If they like incorporating the Italian football logos, then maybe they should use those Roman leaves. I think Roma Lazio also has the eagle.

    But offnik culture promotes brawling. So it could still fly in Russia, but probably not in the West (boys can get into trouble for that in Western countries).

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern “community centre” in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It’s not only some “centre of evil” that it is portrayed by the “patriotic media”.
     
    Well, this Gosha Rubchinskiy fashion show is a good example why patriots view it as "evil" because it's a rather decadent fashion show. But from the point of view of art and fashion, it's really cool and fun. It's a presentation of radical freedom and it's a collection of 1990s subculture themes, so it fits well with the Yeltsin center.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn’t protest Lukashenko)
     
    Oh, yea, I know Max Korzh, he was the protege of Kasta? Bah, he super cute.
    Rap is not really my cup of tea, but I like his music, it's energetic, boyish, quite aggressive. It's good gym music. No idea what he said about Luka, I have to look that up.

    he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

     

    Frankly, this is kind of working class kids' culture, but that's ok.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.
     
    This is so awesome, I wish the kids could finally live free of all the baggage. It's so cool he was in Lithuania. His shows are just so boisterous. :)

    Replies: @Dmitry

  193. @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    faking his anti-black racism
     
    Yes I remember he has a dislike of black people, which is not really consistent because in Russia he is more like in the position of black person in the USA. (Caucasian people kind of the local equivalent of African Americans).

    But probably it's related to the believe in the "national IQ tables published in Unz". If you believed that, and you wanted to "increase IQ" by blocking African immigrants.

    He idealizes Chinese people for the same reason. (Nationalism in Russia is more like "Eurocentric white nationalist" movement - i.e. they don't idealize Chinese).

    On the other hand, for Russian imperialist, there is nothing bad with China at the moment (China is friendly). And for Russian imperialist that believes in "national IQ claims", then China can be an example to follow.


    mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I’ve both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s
     
    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of " status anxiety of the middle class". So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don't think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it's likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.

    He also writes about how he like pigs and we shouldn't eat them, because they are more intelligent than other animals. So all his system is logically consistent and honest there. You don't need to speculate, even if you disagree.


    getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it’s a sidenote of marginal interest.
     
    Because Jews (and more people with Jewish roots) are very influential in Russia (especially in the upper class), and this influential aspect, is another topic nationalists (in Russia) are angry about. Although of course, it's of course less of important topic for nationalists than the Muslims, Caucasians, Central Asians, etc.

    So stereotypically nationalists was spamming "of course Putin is a Jew". And then another nationalist will be writing "Putin is speaking like this, because he was educated in a Yeshiva and is working part-time as a rabbi in two synagogues". Someone else will say "of course, all politicians in Russia have worked in the synagogue for at least three years before they are eligible, so you can't say Putin has a specially Jewish way of speaking".

    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin's blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.

    But that is fine and consistent for Karlin's political stream, which is Russian imperialism, who likes Putin and even Margarita Simonyan. Jews (like some hundred of other nationalities) are part of the multinational tapestry in Russia, and just a frequent component of the ruling elite of Russia. Karlin supports the direction the rulers are following for the country, so why should he care.

    Replies: @Thulean Friend

    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of ” status anxiety of the middle class”. So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don’t think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it’s likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.

    He has described some black women as ‘ogres’. He has a visceral dislike of blacks that extends beyond IQ table autism. One of his first observations when landing in Russia is how easy it is to use homophobic slurs, which he praised, and he has consistently brought up gay marriage and pride parades as a key metric in his view of various countries. Often when he wanted to beat up on Ukraine he used these talkings points, negatively mentioning pride parades in Kyiv etc.

    He often does this unprompted, so it isn’t just pandering to the audience. Even if he were pandering to the audience, it would undermine the “just trolling” thesis, since it would achieve the opposite effect of getting a rise out of people by playing to their prejudices. As it happens, I believe he genuinely has homophobia. We can disagree over that if you want.

    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin’s blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.

    This is true and it’s true in a Western context as well. This is what prodded Langdom to call him out initially. I personally find his re-telling of the communist revolution as basically the work of Balts + Eastern Europeans (non-Russian) while completely avoiding mentioning any significant Jewish influence to be strange. Even more strange is how little he talks of the 1990s destruction of Russia and how he completely avoids mentioning the key role of Jewish oligarchs (on both sides of the Atlantic).

    This consistent pattern, coupled with his attacks on his commentators who brought up any issue related to Jewish influence, is what piqued my interest. When Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian, it made it harder to ignore. Together with his visits to synagogues, Jewish museums and praise for Israel, it became harder still.

    Nevertheless, it is entirely possible that Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more ancestry. I think the kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background. People who dislike people based on IQ charts, have some mild forms of regressive social views on women and sexual minorities but largely avoid any discussion of Jewish influence, in part because many of them have it (e.g. Moldbug and others). As it happens, many of these NRx types are also promoting ideas for an elite technocracy and they push crypto, which surely appeals both to Karlin’s interests as well as to his vanity.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Thulean Friend


    ny significant Jewish influe
     
    I guess perhaps up to 15% of the elite of Russia might be Jewish, or more accurately to write "people with Jewish roots". But older wealthy people don't like to talk about nationality, so it's not really possible to know this question.

    For example, journalists often write that Dmitry Pumpyansky is Jewish. But there is nothing said from Pumpyansky directly about his nationality in media from what I could see, so who knows what is the real situation (journalists also can invent things as clickbait).

    Relative to the population of the country (146 million), the level of Jewish elite, must be strange overrepresentation (proportionally as if more than world population of Jews was living in Russia).

    However, at the same time, maybe 85% (?) or the great majority of the elite in Russia are non-Jews (or non-Jewish roots people).

    So while the Jewish overrepresentation in the elite is objectively funny or unusual thing about Russia, it doesn't explain anything much about power in Russia (which is majority a non-Jewish elite).

    Most of the elite in Russia are not Jewish roots people. Most of the elite of all nationalities are overlapping, and allied to each other.

    These ruling clans are not structured by nationality, and they don't seem to care about nationality among themselves. So nationality doesn't explain too much about their behaviour between themselves.

    Mikhail Fridman is Jewish. His best friend from college, who he had promoted, Vladislav Surkov, is Chechen. Between those two, it's difficult to say one is in controlling the other? I can't imagine Surkov is easy to control.

    Lavrov (Foreign Minister, who is Armenian), has a daughter in London, who married an Israeli man. Immediately after marriage, latter was then installed (by Fridman) to Moscow as the head of investments for Alpha Bank (Russia's largest private bank). At the same time Basta (who is Russian) has installed Armenian Lavrov's daughter's Israeli husband's brother into his record label.

    Or e.g. Norilsk, which is ruled by oligarchs, Potanin (who is Russian) and Deripaska (who is Russian). The two oligarchs hate each other, and fight for the city's industry. So Putin (who is Russian) seems to install Abramovich (who is Jewish, although possibly not very Jewish - rather, he has been given control of the Jewish community as a job by Putin) in the company between them.

    A characteristic of the multinational elite, is a multinational attitude.


    Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian,

     

    Probably because Hindermann is not a reliable source . He just thought that this name "Karlin" is associated with a famous Hasidic Jewish dynasty.

    But it's also a common family name of many other nationalities. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin


    Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more
     
    He also knows nothing about Jews in Russia in his writing - seeming less than an average political person in Russia.

    So he even behaves like he has less than 3% Jewish roots.


    kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background.
     
    Karlin loves Moscow, loves Sobyanin, loves Russian government, loves their moderate support to Russian imperialism, loves safety of the country for brown people under Putin. He even likes Simonyan. He also likes to promote Russian imperialism to people, as a kind of flex. He's happy with the decisions of the (multinational) elite in Russia, so as a result he doesn't have to think about them.

    He doesn't know about them, which is his right as a happy customer. If you go to the restaurant, enjoy your meal - then you feel a need to find the manager?

    That's all a valid position as a blogger, which is based in his preferences. But of course, it's not what we associate with "Russian nationalism". His views are "Russian imperialism". And the confusion of the language is not a co-incidence, as this is something which happens in Russia itself in the last decade.

    You cannot expect a blogger like Karlin (who is happy with immigration to Russia) to be researching on instagram about his rulers. Just a few people are curious (like myself), and we might read funny things (which may or may not be true). 99% of people don't care about these topics.

  194. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don’t have “Indian towns”.
     
    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure. TBH, does not seem like a valid criticism. Many Chinatowns are fairly small. None of them are fully homogeneous. Are you saying that there are no comparable concentrations of subcons in the West? Or that they aren't as popular with tourists? Or aren't old enough to have map names?

    Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it’s night and day.
     
    I only watched the trailer. I'll allow that it might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda? Well, it was high budget. It had a certain amount of spectacle. But many parts of the film were quite weak. There was basically a media campaign to say it was a good movie, but I'm not sure that I remember anyone who thought that it was a good movie. "Evil German" is one of the most cloying cliches in Hollywood. They tried to pass Vin Diesel off as an Italian! Even without a lot of janky CGI, it is not very realistic in a lot of areas.

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    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure

    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case. Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period. Yet Indians, despite being majority “1st gen status” in America, have no similar equivalents. If anything, you’d expect this social urge to be stronger for people who are still 1st gen. Of course, Indians still congregate around their own kin – like all minorities – but they do not self-isolate to the same extent.

    More importantly, they engage the broader public more directly and get rewarded for doing so. Some of this differential is surely related to the geopolitical tensions with China, which I think is making it harder for person of mainland origin to get promoted to the top levels in a way that it isn’t for an Indian. But even beyond tech, this cultural disparity exists.

    I’ll allow that [Battle of Lake Chosin] might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.

    I mean… it is clearly successful when measuring it by those metrics, which is likely the key objective of the backers of the film. But the world is larger than China’s borders and it will have minimal impact outside of it, unlike US propaganda. That’s the fundamental argument I am making.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda?

    When viewed in context – of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR – yes, it was and remains successful propaganda. The intention is not to blatantly lie about history, rather US propaganda efforts is aimed at “saturating” the mindspace for the population so that only the US view becomes the default. That is how the US succeeds in getting people from across the world to conform to its world view, so much so that even Europeans these days have assimilated the US-centric view of WWII and credit it more than the Soviets.

    I have only seen polls on Europeans, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the same held for Latinx Americans, MENA, Africa and even many Asian countries.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period.
     
    I make the point more because it diminishes scale. For example, Boston has a very small Chinatown, to start with:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown%2C_Boston

    Speaking as a local, I think it is kind of neat. Not large enough to be alienating. Arguably has a lot of benefits. Used to be able to take the bus to NYC round trip from there for like $20. (though it caught fire once or twice) I've never been remotely bothered by the Chinatowns in America. Though admittedly Europe is a different matter, but more for the broader picture that it represents. There is that Bruce Lee movie where he is working at a Chinese restaurant in Rome, and honestly I find it kind of disturbing that the movie is so old, and seems to take this glib attitude about immigration to the Eternal City.

    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case.
     
    I'm not particularly aware of any unofficial "Indiantowns" in America (maybe, someone on the West coast would know better?), but surely there are neighborhoods in Toronto, (or counting Pakistanis) London, and Birmingham that would qualify, as well as probably many smaller English cities.

    When viewed in context – of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR
     
    Good point.
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
    @Thulean Friend


    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case.
     
    There is an obvious, although seldom-referenced, reason for this phenomenon.

    Chinese food is absolutely delicious.
    Indian food tastes bloody awful.

    There will be Chinatowns in the Year 4000.

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  195. @Thulean Friend
    @songbird


    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure
     
    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case. Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period. Yet Indians, despite being majority "1st gen status" in America, have no similar equivalents. If anything, you'd expect this social urge to be stronger for people who are still 1st gen. Of course, Indians still congregate around their own kin - like all minorities - but they do not self-isolate to the same extent.

    More importantly, they engage the broader public more directly and get rewarded for doing so. Some of this differential is surely related to the geopolitical tensions with China, which I think is making it harder for person of mainland origin to get promoted to the top levels in a way that it isn't for an Indian. But even beyond tech, this cultural disparity exists.


    I’ll allow that [Battle of Lake Chosin] might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.
     
    I mean... it is clearly successful when measuring it by those metrics, which is likely the key objective of the backers of the film. But the world is larger than China's borders and it will have minimal impact outside of it, unlike US propaganda. That's the fundamental argument I am making.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda?

     

    When viewed in context - of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR - yes, it was and remains successful propaganda. The intention is not to blatantly lie about history, rather US propaganda efforts is aimed at "saturating" the mindspace for the population so that only the US view becomes the default. That is how the US succeeds in getting people from across the world to conform to its world view, so much so that even Europeans these days have assimilated the US-centric view of WWII and credit it more than the Soviets.

    I have only seen polls on Europeans, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same held for Latinx Americans, MENA, Africa and even many Asian countries.

    Replies: @songbird, @Emil Nikola Richard

    Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period.

    I make the point more because it diminishes scale. For example, Boston has a very small Chinatown, to start with:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown%2C_Boston

    Speaking as a local, I think it is kind of neat. Not large enough to be alienating. Arguably has a lot of benefits. Used to be able to take the bus to NYC round trip from there for like \$20. (though it caught fire once or twice) I’ve never been remotely bothered by the Chinatowns in America. Though admittedly Europe is a different matter, but more for the broader picture that it represents. There is that Bruce Lee movie where he is working at a Chinese restaurant in Rome, and honestly I find it kind of disturbing that the movie is so old, and seems to take this glib attitude about immigration to the Eternal City.

    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case.

    I’m not particularly aware of any unofficial “Indiantowns” in America (maybe, someone on the West coast would know better?), but surely there are neighborhoods in Toronto, (or counting Pakistanis) London, and Birmingham that would qualify, as well as probably many smaller English cities.

    When viewed in context – of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR

    Good point.

  196. @Thulean Friend
    @Dmitry


    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of ” status anxiety of the middle class”. So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don’t think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it’s likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.
     

    He has described some black women as 'ogres'. He has a visceral dislike of blacks that extends beyond IQ table autism. One of his first observations when landing in Russia is how easy it is to use homophobic slurs, which he praised, and he has consistently brought up gay marriage and pride parades as a key metric in his view of various countries. Often when he wanted to beat up on Ukraine he used these talkings points, negatively mentioning pride parades in Kyiv etc.

    He often does this unprompted, so it isn't just pandering to the audience. Even if he were pandering to the audience, it would undermine the "just trolling" thesis, since it would achieve the opposite effect of getting a rise out of people by playing to their prejudices. As it happens, I believe he genuinely has homophobia. We can disagree over that if you want.


    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin’s blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.
     

    This is true and it's true in a Western context as well. This is what prodded Langdom to call him out initially. I personally find his re-telling of the communist revolution as basically the work of Balts + Eastern Europeans (non-Russian) while completely avoiding mentioning any significant Jewish influence to be strange. Even more strange is how little he talks of the 1990s destruction of Russia and how he completely avoids mentioning the key role of Jewish oligarchs (on both sides of the Atlantic).

    This consistent pattern, coupled with his attacks on his commentators who brought up any issue related to Jewish influence, is what piqued my interest. When Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian, it made it harder to ignore. Together with his visits to synagogues, Jewish museums and praise for Israel, it became harder still.

    Nevertheless, it is entirely possible that Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more ancestry. I think the kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background. People who dislike people based on IQ charts, have some mild forms of regressive social views on women and sexual minorities but largely avoid any discussion of Jewish influence, in part because many of them have it (e.g. Moldbug and others). As it happens, many of these NRx types are also promoting ideas for an elite technocracy and they push crypto, which surely appeals both to Karlin's interests as well as to his vanity.

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    ny significant Jewish influe

    I guess perhaps up to 15% of the elite of Russia might be Jewish, or more accurately to write “people with Jewish roots”. But older wealthy people don’t like to talk about nationality, so it’s not really possible to know this question.

    For example, journalists often write that Dmitry Pumpyansky is Jewish. But there is nothing said from Pumpyansky directly about his nationality in media from what I could see, so who knows what is the real situation (journalists also can invent things as clickbait).

    Relative to the population of the country (146 million), the level of Jewish elite, must be strange overrepresentation (proportionally as if more than world population of Jews was living in Russia).

    However, at the same time, maybe 85% (?) or the great majority of the elite in Russia are non-Jews (or non-Jewish roots people).

    So while the Jewish overrepresentation in the elite is objectively funny or unusual thing about Russia, it doesn’t explain anything much about power in Russia (which is majority a non-Jewish elite).

    Most of the elite in Russia are not Jewish roots people. Most of the elite of all nationalities are overlapping, and allied to each other.

    These ruling clans are not structured by nationality, and they don’t seem to care about nationality among themselves. So nationality doesn’t explain too much about their behaviour between themselves.

    Mikhail Fridman is Jewish. His best friend from college, who he had promoted, Vladislav Surkov, is Chechen. Between those two, it’s difficult to say one is in controlling the other? I can’t imagine Surkov is easy to control.

    Lavrov (Foreign Minister, who is Armenian), has a daughter in London, who married an Israeli man. Immediately after marriage, latter was then installed (by Fridman) to Moscow as the head of investments for Alpha Bank (Russia’s largest private bank). At the same time Basta (who is Russian) has installed Armenian Lavrov’s daughter’s Israeli husband’s brother into his record label.

    Or e.g. Norilsk, which is ruled by oligarchs, Potanin (who is Russian) and Deripaska (who is Russian). The two oligarchs hate each other, and fight for the city’s industry. So Putin (who is Russian) seems to install Abramovich (who is Jewish, although possibly not very Jewish – rather, he has been given control of the Jewish community as a job by Putin) in the company between them.

    A characteristic of the multinational elite, is a multinational attitude.

    Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian,

    Probably because Hindermann is not a reliable source . He just thought that this name “Karlin” is associated with a famous Hasidic Jewish dynasty.

    But it’s also a common family name of many other nationalities. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

    Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more

    He also knows nothing about Jews in Russia in his writing – seeming less than an average political person in Russia.

    So he even behaves like he has less than 3% Jewish roots.

    kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background.

    Karlin loves Moscow, loves Sobyanin, loves Russian government, loves their moderate support to Russian imperialism, loves safety of the country for brown people under Putin. He even likes Simonyan. He also likes to promote Russian imperialism to people, as a kind of flex. He’s happy with the decisions of the (multinational) elite in Russia, so as a result he doesn’t have to think about them.

    He doesn’t know about them, which is his right as a happy customer. If you go to the restaurant, enjoy your meal – then you feel a need to find the manager?

    That’s all a valid position as a blogger, which is based in his preferences. But of course, it’s not what we associate with “Russian nationalism”. His views are “Russian imperialism”. And the confusion of the language is not a co-incidence, as this is something which happens in Russia itself in the last decade.

    You cannot expect a blogger like Karlin (who is happy with immigration to Russia) to be researching on instagram about his rulers. Just a few people are curious (like myself), and we might read funny things (which may or may not be true). 99% of people don’t care about these topics.

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  197. @Dmitry
    @LatW



    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFvD25Pnw6A

     

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing
     
    Well backstory in this video, you can notice socialites are being hosted by Roman Abramovich's girlfriend at Garage art gallery at 1:00. Everyone knows the main motive for this Abramovich interest in modern art, is probably money laundering and financial speculation. And there is event host https://www.instagram.com/edikyakut/ (who probably can get you the best prostitutes for your party)

    But if you recognize those socialites' faces across Instagram, you can see some of them using parents' money as a startup capital to add hipster services in Moscow. and develop the vast hipster culture that is now booming there. And Artem Korelev (https://www.instagram.com/artem) I guess is just a celebrity from his own ambition and LGBT charisma.

    These hipsters in the video are founding hipster projects. So I guess they are not all completely useless hipsters, but a kind of entrepreneurial spreaders of culture across the city
    https://www.instagram.com/slavagee/ (who often buys $10,000 pairs of sneakers)
    https://www.instagram.com/lenaweinstein/ some kinds of tasteful entrepreneur women
    https://www.instagram.com/fechoo/
    https://www.instagram.com/sasha_sofine/
    https://www.instagram.com/mariakakdela/

    But then others in the video looks like unemployed looking hipsters to me. As it's known in the West as well, hipster can become also just a disguise for playboying
    https://www.instagram.com/leoratner/
    https://www.instagram.com/vsupernaskov/


    Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia.
     
    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes than most European nationalities (excluding French, Italians, maybe Germans). Clothes are very important even when you are a child.

    But seriously, I think there are extreme problems in terms of the production supply for clothes, who are mostly imported from China even for domestic brands. For a funny story, when Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krjfsq8Qg7E.) But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.


    his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol).
     
    Maybe this will trigger Bashibuzuk to return.

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern "community centre" in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It's not only some "centre of evil" that it is portrayed by the "patriotic media".


    there (the soccer player,
     
    There is "offnik" fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.

    I've not been living in Russia for years now, and losing contact to Russian culture greatly, and so finding it kind of bizarre to read about these Generation Z trends.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn't protest Lukashenko) - he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BwsJp1eIsst/

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    hipster projects

    These hipsters with the Instagram accounts you posted seem a bit decadent, I thought the original idea for hipsters was to reduce consumption, recycle clothes, bike, scale down, etc. 🙂

    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes

    Not only that, Russia is very artistic. There is untapped potential. The combination of modern and traditional, boldness of colors and ideas. But, yea, sourcing quality material is expensive and to produce for the West is hard, Gosha Rubchinskiy said he didn’t have the capacity to produce enough clothing for his fans in London, but then he found some English partners and it sold well. His black paramilitary shirt is selling for \$600 on Farfetch (a pretty well known luxury store). Know that there are Swedish high end clothing brands in places like New York where very simple looking sweaters are selling for \$200, so these kinds of designers, if they had the marketing, could do ok.

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    Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu…

    Oh, I see he tried ingratiating himself with the powers that be. 🙂 Should he become a Yedinoros? 🙂 I’m not a fan of his tbh (but he has a really beautiful baby mama).

    But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.

    Seriously? LOL. He always brags about how rich he is and he can’t create his own authentic collection? Well, if he did do that, it probably wouldn’t be in military style. Btw, those designs in the video are pretty decent, it’s just hard to tell if the fabric is of good quality.

    There is “offnik” fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.

    That’s the football ultras look, they have it in Ukraine, too. We call them “урла”. But this offnik looks a bit more stylish. If they like incorporating the Italian football logos, then maybe they should use those Roman leaves. I think Roma Lazio also has the eagle.

    But offnik culture promotes brawling. So it could still fly in Russia, but probably not in the West (boys can get into trouble for that in Western countries).

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern “community centre” in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It’s not only some “centre of evil” that it is portrayed by the “patriotic media”.

    Well, this Gosha Rubchinskiy fashion show is a good example why patriots view it as “evil” because it’s a rather decadent fashion show. But from the point of view of art and fashion, it’s really cool and fun. It’s a presentation of radical freedom and it’s a collection of 1990s subculture themes, so it fits well with the Yeltsin center.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn’t protest Lukashenko)

    Oh, yea, I know Max Korzh, he was the protege of Kasta? Bah, he super cute.
    Rap is not really my cup of tea, but I like his music, it’s energetic, boyish, quite aggressive. It’s good gym music. No idea what he said about Luka, I have to look that up.

    he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

    Frankly, this is kind of working class kids’ culture, but that’s ok.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.

    This is so awesome, I wish the kids could finally live free of all the baggage. It’s so cool he was in Lithuania. His shows are just so boisterous. 🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Timati

     

    Timati is always a Kremlin project. It's a project for state control on the youth culture. Although he seems to create some independence in being shareowner of "Black Star Burger", etc. They have sacrificed poor Timati to work as Kadyrov's sometimes barbeque assistant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwVavNT98U. And otherwise in literal Surkov projects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oae4ScxUc-s.

    Almost all celebrities are a kind of court jester. I mean it's not that uncommon that politicians are writing some of their songs. Like e.g. Grigory Leps is performing songs written by Prime Minister Mishustin, while his businesses are financed by father of President Aliev's grandchildren.


    Should he become a Yedinoros? 🙂

     

    This is more like career future of Basta. He can write already his job description as a "politicians' assistant".

    It's maybe a filter why Russian celebrities seem usually nicer than Western equivalent. Because they know they are a court jester. I mean people like Basta seems like such a nice person on television - they are at their high positions because partly of sociability .


    ingratiating himself with the powers that be. 🙂

     

    It's a competition with a lot of entries, but GeeGun must be the winner. You can in instagram he is already socializing with politicians' children while they are still in school.

    Another perhaps not "advantage" of being Kremlin officials' children - GeeGun can "sing" in your birthday party.


    This is so awesome, I wish the kids could finally live free of all the baggage. It’s so cool he was in Lithuania. His shows are just so boisterous. 🙂
     
    Yes he does better work than a UN ambassador. He's in Riga, Tallinn, New York, London, Warsaw. His greatest fans even in Ukraine
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edWn4UGqrqU

    Chechens. Are things so bad that this is now needed? Was this brought up because of the recent “ethnic crimes”? The incident on metro
     
    I guess it's not actually that bad in terms of crimes nowadays. What is bad is that their politics has the most independent power, and the least responsible power. I mean even if you believe official narrative about the killing of Boris Nemtsov, it's looking bit more scary than "first world Swedish problems around immigration".

    I think they remember the war (the young know about it, too).

     

    I'm the least relevant person to ask. I've never to the Caucasus, never spoken to a Chechen in my life. Never, I've never spoken with an Armenian. The only Caucasian people I've known are Georgians and Azeris.

    But from online comments, it seems that normal Chechens do not write like stupid, Kadyrovbots. And surely justifiably, they are not happy with their local politicians or their federal ones.


    I invite you to look at this from a different angle. As I said, aside from the actual violent

     

    As I said, I support a nationalism to the extent as such a movement was in the 19th century. If the alternative to imperialism, was represented e.g. Mazzini, then it would be a different (more civilized) reality .

    Udmurts have issues with retaining their authenticity.
     
    These nationalities become less viable every year.

    For example, demographic situation for Mordvins collapsed. Mordvins now have a lower fertility rate than Russians (despite always have much higher fertility than Russians in Soviet times), and a high intermarriage rate. Fertility rate in Mordoviya is 1,255 - and yet Mordins have a lower fertility than Russians within Mordoviya.


    I don’t know about Tatars,
     
    If you are interested in Tatar demographics, the best article I read is written in English in 1995 (so it is a little old). "Russians, Tatars and Jews"

    According to this article, even the 1995 situation is a disaster for Tatar nationalism. At the time, the situation (of the separate nationality being swallowed by Russians) was worse for Jewish nationalism than Tatar nationalism, but now the situation is even worse for Tatar nationalism - as people with Jewish roots can go to Israel, whereas Tatarstan itself has high intermarriage to Russians, and there is no escape plan for the Tatar nationalists from being swallowed.

    "According to the 1988 –89 data, the percentage of mixed marriages among all marriages involving Tatars was 39.0% for Tatar men and even higher — 39.9ý% for Tatar women; in urban areas such marriages for Tatar women reached 50.5%. It has been estimated that in the mid- 1980s 25.2% Tatars were currently married to Russians."

    "Intermarriage has been predominant among Jews. In 1988–89 among all Jews who
    married, 73.1% men and 62.7% women entered into mixed marriage. In the post-war period rising intermarriage was accompanied by a great increase in the proportion of children born to mixed couples. In 1959, out of all children born to Tatar women, the percentage of children born to mixed couples (we have no data on the number of such marriages) was as low as 8.6%. Twenty years later, in 1979, it was 31.0%, or 3.6 times more. Among the urban Tatar population in 1989 this percentage reached 40.2%. At the same time, in 1989, the percentage of children born to mixed couples among all children born to a Jewish mother reached 59.2%, or 2.2 times more than in 1959. Data on the offspring of mixed Russian-Tatar and Russian-Jewish couples show a clear preference for Russian ethnic affiliation of children. Even according to the 1994 microcensus, this was the preference on average for 81% of the children of Russian-Tatar couples, and 89% for those children born to Russian-Jewish couples."
    https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/bjpa/c__c/Tolts_EPC%20Milan,%2019951.pdf


    Not too long ago an Udmurt man self immolated because he felt that his language was disappearing (or that it wasn’t protected enough by the state).

     

    "Russian Federation problems". There were also Bashkirs being prosecuted for racist hatespeech last year in Ufa, because they complained about being displaced by Armenian immigrants.

    -

    Somehow the discussion reminds me of Morgenshtern .

    He is Bashkir (Muslim origin) from Ufa. Some months ago, proposed marriage to his beautiful girlfriend, who has obviously Tatar (Muslim origin) family name - while they were celebrating Jewish Shabbat in the Synagogue. Probably the boring explanation was he and his Tatar girlfriend have some Jewish roots. But either way like national minority celebrities surviving by "Mergers and acquisitions (M&A)"

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CQWExh5rVx1/

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  198. @Yevardian
    @Barbarossa

    Fred Reed was always pretty crap, aside from some occasionally interesting personal stories. I think he gained the attentions of our benevolent overlord mainly as someone that obviously couldn't stand blacks, but had nothing but glowing praise for Hispanic immigration into the US.

    Also, if you hadn't read already, it seems Fred Reed left in a fit of pique after Unz rubbished in a private email his typically shallow article ridiculing anyone who questions the official story on the 9/11 Attacks.
    It seems that like Linh Dinh, he's one of those cantankerous personalities that loves to dish it out, but can't any heat themselves. At least I have to give Karlin credit where it's due here, "whilst I get called a spiteful mongrel on my own blog".


    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors…
     
    Well, with the whole blogosphere practically dead, and everyone who retains a substantial following either on substack or tw*tter, it does seem very slim pickings. I would read Thorffinsson's blog if he had time for it, lol.
    There was also the commenter 'Glossy' who left years ago (that thread where Karlin was praising Solzhenytsin and mocking Russia's WWII celebrations, and got dogpiled by about half the Russian commentariat here at the time) I really liked his blog, but he scarcely wrote about politics and seems to have given up writing to waste his time of twitter.

    For the moment, if I was Unz, I'd start featuring/highlighting more old forgotten books or interesting articles from archived journals, available here on the archiv. There's a vast amount of material there but it's somewhat tucked away, people don't know what to look for, and it seems almost nobody here uses it much.

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    Well twitter is fucked now. As much as jack dorsey sucked with twitter censorship, its going to get a lot worse lol.
    Forget about my posts where I said twitter was one of the best platform for dissenting voices and a medium to quickly learn about other cultures.
    its new CEO is Indian who is openly already displaying Jewish like nepotism and hes already doing work putting in censorship laws in effect. Here is his first day at work and here are his actual views
    Callow ethnonarcissists at the head of cosmopolitan corporations and platforms is of course a great idea.

    And of course the obligatory bobs vegana sex pest.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @Svidomyatheart

    My idea that social media is an intellectual and social cancer just gets more confirmed all the time.

    My wife had FB for a while and I attempted to have a couple of discussions on it, which was a complete waste of time.

    I would nearly be inclined to say that more meaningful discussion happens on UNZ than all of social media put together.

    I'd be happy to let the woketards have their Twitter and FB. It just keeps them in their bubble so others can do things in real life. The more time and brain cells they burn off the better, in my opinion.

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    , @Yevardian
    @Svidomyatheart

    Imao, where did you dig this up? Speaking of twitter, in this instance I find myself agreeing with Anglin's recent article, I really do think Jack Dorsey was deeply uncomfortable on a private level with the path his website went down on, hence his resignation.
    Like Ron Unz said somewhere earlier, it seems very clear that the vast majority of these professional tech people aren't at all politically savvy, being too preoccupied with the technicalities of their work to do more than lazily follow general developments via the establishment media.

    I suppose their usual lack of machiavellianism, introversion and general high trust in people makes it an ideal career-climbing avenue for people such as this typically verminous pajeet.


    its new CEO is Indian who is openly already displaying Jewish like nepotism
     
    I'm not exactly the most philosemitic person in the world, but please, comparing the tribe to Indians is way beyond the pale, I really don't think that's fair.

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  199. @German_reader
    @Svidomyatheart


    if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems
     
    I think they really believe it, imo it's crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment. The hope seems to be that the technology for the hard problems like energy storage will just be there by 2030, when they want to exit coal power. I doubt it will go that smoothly, but hey, maybe I'm totally mistaken, I'm just an ignorant rightoid after all. We'll see.

    Replies: @sudden death, @The Big Red Scary

    There are hard, physical constraints on producing enough battery capacity (even assuming improved efficiency):

    https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/08/nation-sized-battery/

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  200. @Dmitry
    @LatW


    Kremlin doesn’t want to see filled or to exist
     
    I'm very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me (not so fairly for its ideas, but more its image - it becomes a sieve for picking racist people). Moreover, in my own life, my experience of multinational contexts has always been utopian - although this experience I lived is a bubble (multinationality is not so utopian during the Yugoslav war or Lebanese civil war).

    But while I don't feel any sympathy for violent hooligans going to prison, the anti-nationalism of the Russian government is also pretty extreme.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples' nationalities in relation to reporting on crime? https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/21931-8

    I'm also sympathetic to a kind of 19th century nationalism based on the concept of self-determination of people, and where there is in fact movement away from imperialism in this. I.e. multi-state solution for difficult to manage empires.

    But this kind of mutual separatist nationalism is not in the self-interest of the authorities of great empires either, so it's kind of pointless utopianism to think about it.


    protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc).

     

    Limiting immigration with selection for Russia, would be an improvement for the country compared to current open borders - whether from nationalist, or non-nationalist citizens' perspective. But the government has gone in open borders strategy for decades now.

    On the other hand, protectionist economic policy neither seems to be useful from nationalist, or normal non-nationalist citizens' perspective. The real motive why it is promoted is more simply because it allows you to replace foreign competition and consumer choice, for local elites' businesses. Even e.g. imported Polish apples (that Poland bans from Russia). were replaced by apples produced by Gennady Timchenko's owned agriculture. Normal people lose options and pay more, but for the political class it was a "state capture" opportunity.


    nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin’s introduction of the term “historical
     
    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction. Why do you think Russia is multinational, and Russian elite far more multinational than the Russian public. This is how vast empires (and Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russian Federation are the world's largest contiguous empires) have to be managed.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is - what works. Everytime the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.

    Well, historically there were internal immigration borders, which reduced those problems. And today there are open borders.

    If I remember accurate, I saw a lecture, where they said that Surkov said that nationalism is the greatest threat to the integrity of the Russian Federation today. However, in a few decades, it will not be a threat. This is the hope the population will stabilize or homogenize enough to reduce this threat to the authorities. In terms of nationalities like Tatars, it's very realistic (they are losing any opportunity for national separation, due to their declining demographics - intermarriage, and loss of separate culture).

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    I’m very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me

    I understand, but I invite you to look at this from a different angle. As I said, aside from the actual violent types (who are few), these ethnonationalists maintain their position not from some “hate”, but from love for their culture and people. A lot of what they talk about is not even racial, but more along the lines of economic interests and wellbeing.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples’ nationalities in relation to reporting on crime?

    Yes, I saw that today. It almost reminds me of the Swedish law. And by the way, it was proposed by Chechens. Are things so bad that this is now needed? Was this brought up because of the recent “ethnic crimes”? The incident on metro (a Slavic man with a child was attacked?). I guess I agree with Dima Dyomushkin – first, there seem to be a lot of restrictions lately in general, neither highlighting nor hiding the ethnicity is necessary. He said over 50% of crimes in Moscow are committed by non-locals. Everyone will know anyway who it is. And apparently Caucasians respect their own elders more than the RusFed law.

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    I understand that there are problems for those that come from Caucasus who are uprooted, away from their caring traditional culture. And I think they remember the war (the young know about it, too).

    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction.

    Yes, you’re right – “historical Russia” is an imperialist term.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is – what works. Every time the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.

    Of course, I know this very well, this is how the SU worked, otherwise it wouldn’t have worked. They had to integrate everyone and repress any kind of differences. Or at least dilute them somewhat (or pretend they don’t exist). I don’t envy Russians —