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The previous Open Thread had passed 1,000 comments and was getting very sluggish to load. Since Anatoly is apparently very busy working on crypto-currency projects, I’ve gone ahead and opened this new one for his commenter-community, moving a few of the last comments over to it.

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  1. Germany’s new coalition government will be a slight improvement over the previous dispensation, but only just. Scholz is an embarrassed social democrat, just as Merkel was an embarrassed conservative. She viewed her base an impediment to be overcome and Scholz is already showing the same signs, by rushing to embrace the neoliberal FDP and thus knee-capping his own progressive base.

    Still, there are some notable developments. The irredeemable “output gap” nonsense models will be thrown out, as they were used to justify unending austerity.

    These models are likely too difficult to explain to laymen but their removal will allow far more expansionary fiscal politics. However, the inclusion of FDP is an intentional poison pill. In the end, expect Scholz to be a more pragmatic Merkel on economics, not a sea change.

    The liberalisation of drug laws are long overdue. I think we should also expect a much greater push for cycling infrastructure and a far faster phase-out of dirty fuels, both of which are gigantic positives, even if reactionaries seethe.

    Their immigration policies will likely continue in the same path as ours: less refugees and more work-related migration. More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns. I wouldn’t be surprised if they start seeing far more Asian migration in the not too distant future. We already are (Indians replaced Syrians a few years ago and this trend is likely to accelerate to other Asian nationalities in the coming years; I suspect the same will be true for Germany’s non-European migration pattern, too).

    My biggest worry relates to foreign policy. The Greens may be progressive on domestic policies but on foreign policy they are basically NATO chatbots. Baerbock’s insane rants against NS2 should be disqualifying. I don’t like NS2 but it’s a done deal now and has to be managed. Europe needs a stable German-Russian relationship and she seems hellbent on sabotaging it at every turn. Frankly, if she wasn’t on the payroll of the US then I’d be amazed, because she is certainly acting like it.

    Personally, I would have preferred a GroKo (SPD+CDU). While I favour the domestic agenda of the current coalition, a GroKo government would only include the most moderate foreign policy voices. Nevertheless, I suspect that Scholz will rein in Baerbock’s craziness if it goes too far, so it is a minor blemish at worst.

    • Disagree: German_reader
    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Some Guy
  2. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    We already are (Indians

    No comment.
    ______
    BTW, amazing success that Stonetoss has had selling Flurks: \$2 million. That must be some sort of record for dissident (Right, not Conservative, Inc) media.

    • LOL: Mitleser
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  3. German_reader says:

    Many thanks to Ron Unz for creating a new open thread, it is much appreciated!

  4. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    Feynman seemed to like bongo music (which I conflate with jazz, due to its Afro roots) and Tuvan throat-singing (which I suspect shows an affinity for improvisation, much like jazz) – and he was always breaking into safes at Los Alamos! And I believe he once borrowed the car of one the spies, to visit his wife in hospital. Afraid the rest of my speculations are somewhat more calumnious.

    Without access to the FBI files, we may never know how true they are…

    Continuation of comment 1015 from the last thread.

    So now that you’ve convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why this is important enough to mention? I missed this somewhere along the way? 🙂

  5. Mr. Hack says:

    Actually a black man delivered a kick exactly as depicted above as per the video shown in the trial. His identity remained a mystery and was referred to as the “Jump Kick Man”. The prosecution refused to have him testify, probably because of his long criminal rap sheet, and his identity officially remains a mystery. His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him, but being on the ground appears to have emboldened Anthony Huber to attack Rittenhouse with a skateboard and Gaige Grosskreutz to threaten him with a pistol. Rittenhouse, in self defense, killed Huber and seriously wounded Grosskreutz.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Hibernian
  6. Dmitry says:

    Thanks Ron Unz for supporting the forum, that is really appreciated.

    LatW says:

    different from “Miami style” actually

    Well my knowledge of Miami is mainly from YouTube walking videos. It seems in the streets mainly tourists, with a lot of working class African African tourists from near to Southern States? Those African American dudes seem mainly to dress unpretentious, which is not a bad thing in my opinion. Just getting all clothes from Target and randomly wearing them.

    Still the “stereotypical Miami style” from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don’t care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color, from the most expensive Italian brands of the time, that you would be too scared to eat with even if covering yourself with paper sheets before.

    younger men are well groomed. I watched a bit of the Alye Parusa show from St Pete

    Yes for the young people it’s just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I’m visiting Europe.

    Mr. Hack says:

    closest thing that we’ll experience that is like a time machine, especially on these new flat screen 4K TV

    Smart TV is also the closest thing to a travel machine.

    If you are addicted to YouTube walking videos. These experiences are almost half-way to visiting the places at 4k. At least, perhaps I am a bad tourist, but most of my pleasure is from walking in the streets randomly, and YouTube walking videos are nearly substitute for this to me.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Twinkie
    , @LatW
  7. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    His kick to Rittenhouse resulted in Rittenhouse firing 2 shots at the thug, missing him,

    He was very lucky that he missed. Otherwise, he probably would have been railroaded, like Chauvin or the guy who videotaped Ahmaud Arbery grabbing the gun.

    So now that you’ve convincingly shown why some 200 top engineers and scientists that were involved in creating the A-bomb in the US were jazz fans, now can you tell me why

    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  8. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dmitry

    I’ve not watched many of the walking videos that I can recall…please do recommend a couple that you’ve found to be particularly entertaining or enlightening. I do, however, watch railroading videos a lot. I think that they’re a lot of fun to watch and give you an excellent view usually from the driver’s viewpoint. I’d recommend a few within western Ukraine, especially the ones that take you from Lviv to Uzhhorod right directly through the Carpathian mountains – incredible panoramas!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  9. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    I don’t know the whys or the hows – that is what I am trying to find out. And shouldn’t you be the one explaining it to us, as a jazzophile?

    Well, I don’t really think that it has any specific bearing on their profession or their ethical standards. If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too? And BTW, if you haven’t already detected from my comments, you’ve got an awful long way to go to prove that these individuals are real jazz devotees. 🙂

    How do you pass over state secrets, Mr. Hack? A one-time pad to encode information into the notes of a saxophone? Or is it the interplay of instruments in the melody?

    Who knows?

    [MORE]

    Give it a listen, you might find out. 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Dmitry
  10. From the last thread:

    https://mishtalk.com/economics/bidens-bank-regulatory-nominee-espouses-helicopter-money-and-praises-the-old-ussr
    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3715735

    On the liability side of the ledger, the Article envisions the complete migration of demand deposit accounts to the Fed’s balance sheet and explores the full range of new, more direct and flexible, monetary policy tools enabled by this shift. On the asset side, it advocates a comprehensive qualitative restructuring of the Fed’s investment portfolio, which would maximize its capacity to channel credit to productive uses in the nation’s economy. This compositional overhaul of the Fed’s balance sheet would fundamentally alter the operations and systemic footprints of private banks, funds, derivatives dealers, and other financial institutions and markets. Analyzing these structural implications, the Article shows how the proposed reforms would make the financial system less complex, more stable, and more efficient in serving the long-term needs of the American people.

    This is why people buy cryptos, buy precious metals & start bartering in a local economy. Running away from a centralized new financial system, and its implications for dissent. Running away from asset confiscations!

    This will also imply every major economy going CBDC, since the dollar is #1 reserve currency. Exactly some of you have warned us about.

  11. Hibernian says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Jump Kick Man is named Maurice Freeland. Binger’s keeping him under wraps is likely a disbarrable offense. He didn’t just refrain for calling him as a witness for the state, he hid him from the defense and lied, saying that he was unknown. Of course he won’t be disciplined. His career is likely at a dead end; he’ll be prosecuting misdemeanors and low level felonies the rest of his career, because he lost a case that the powers that be expected to be won.

    • Agree: Emil Nikola Richard
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  12. Some Guy says:
    @Thulean Friend

    More liberal rules on naturalisation will not change that, it will only affect past patterns.

    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won’t it?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  13. This is a fun read by a Syrian whose village has been invaded by Uyghurs, reading it makes me wonder if this is how conquests were in the past, not necessarily rape and pillage but new alpha males coming to the village http://www.aymennjawad.org/2021/08/guest-post-the-uyghur-jihadist-scoundrels

  14. German_reader says:
    @Some Guy

    It will mean more foreign voters for leftist parties and make them harder to deport if they commit crimes or whatever, won’t it?

    Not harder, it will make it impossible (not that anybody gets deported anyway).
    Rest of Thulean’s comment is also based on just his personal imagination, the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this).

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  15. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    If you found out that a majority of these high IQ individuals preferred red wines over any other type of alcoholic drink, do you think that would prove that they have a predilection to pass over state secrets too?

    Speaking personally, as someone who descends from the cool, damp fringes of Europe, where the grape did not prosper, I always feel a sense of unease around anyone drinking wine recreationally.

    Nassim Taleb seems to feel similar when he sees someone eating butter or drinking milk.

    But, at least, he does not experience the special unease of seeing Meds drinking liters of milk at dinner, when he grew up seeing it in the sacristy of his church.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  16. Dan Hayes says:

    Evidently Anatoly didn’t leave the UR in a huff and left without mutual recriminations since Ron is still supporting Karlin’s blog! It was and is a nice exit!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  17. Mr. Hack says:

    Ukraine’s Zelensky alleges Russia plotting coup against him for next week
    By David L. Stern | November 26, 2021 | The Washington Post

    KYIV, Ukraine —Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that a group of Russian & Ukrainians is planning to stage a coup d’etat in Ukraine next month and that the plotters are trying to enlist the help of the country’s richest man, Rinat Akhmetov.

    Zelensky, speaking at a “press marathon” for local and international media, said that audio recordings, obtained by Ukraine’s security services, caught plotters discussing their plans and mentioning Akhmetov’s name. Akhmetov was not involved in the actual coup plot, however, Zelensky said.

    “I believe [Akhmetov] is being dragged into the war against Ukraine,” Zelensky said. “This will be a big mistake, because it is impossible to fight against the people, against the president elected by the people of Ukraine.”

    Zelensky said the alleged coup was being planned for Dec. 1 or 2. He did not provide further details, however.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov denied any Russian role in the alleged plot. “Russia never engages in such things. There have never been such plans,” he said.

    Ukrainian media in recent weeks have commented on the growing tensions between Zelensky and Akhmetov. Zelensky has launched a “de-oligarchization”campaign to reduce the political influence of Ukraine’s richest people, who control key sections of the economy.”

  18. songbird says:

    When will Anatoly visit the radon spa at Bad Kreuznach?

    https://acuradon.de/

  19. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    Once again, you’re trying to use nonsynchronous facts to support your untenable position that somehow “There were hundreds of people on the inside (“all Jazz aficionados“) who thought a fission bomb duopoly was a much better idea.” It just doesn’t all hang together, IMHO.

    • Disagree: songbird
  20. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Ron is probably still leaving the door open for Anatoly to make a return. His new website certainly isn’t attracting the interest that I’m sure he had hoped for. Linh Dinh also recently announced his exit from his blog at UNZ, only soon to return. If only Gustavo Arellano would return it would be a successful trifecta!

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @German_reader
  21. German_reader says:
    @Mr. Hack

    His new website certainly isn’t attracting the interest that I’m sure he had hoped for.

    Well, AK hasn’t published much on his Substack yet (apart from that amusing AI horror story, which you should all read), so I don’t think one can say anything about how much interest his blog there would attract.
    The commenting system at Substack is of course much inferior to UR though, so that’s certainly a negative.

  22. @German_reader

    the future government has indicated they want to use Frontex in the Mediterranean to pick up migrants and bring them to Europe again (also support for the private NGOs doing this)

    None of that is incongruent with what I wrote. It’s perfectly reasonable for a government to want to use EU-wide measures (e.g. Frontex) instead of seeing the same work being done by people smugglers. Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink. At that point the distinction whether private NGOs, the smugglers or Frontex ropes them in is irrelevant.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama. The best we got was some half-hearted proposal to “process them in Ukraine” without any commitment to actually take in people. Once the deportations started, I didn’t see much outcry from Scholz.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want, so it’s silly to try to pretend that they should be judged by those standards. I judge them by the standards of other mainstream parties and there is no reason to think that the Scholz government is going to wildly diverge from recent political trends, as already exemplified during the recent border crisis. The 2015 spirit is gone, for better or for worse. Germany will continue to take in large amounts of immigrants but it will not be refugee-dominated. That’s what I said and I stand by that.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  23. Twinkie says:
    @Dmitry

    the most beautiful clothes mix

    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    Do your own internet search for the women. 😉

    • Replies: @Twinkie
    , @Yevardian
  24. Twinkie says:
    @Twinkie

    Sorry, Bren 10, not Brent. Darn auto-correct doesn’t know one of the greatest tv/movie guns!

  25. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Those people are going to come to Europe once they set sail or they will sink.

    Lol, you’re telling me that there won’t be more “refugee-dominated” immigration, and then you come up with this, which is just the usual false dilemma (“We can’t betray our values and let people die, so just let everyone come who tries to cross the Mediterranean”), intended to shut down debate and make the result of political choices look like inevitable fate. With that mentality there is no upper limit to immigration and you give up any chance of controlling the process, since the preferences of the migrants themselves and their interests become the determining factor.

    If the new coalition government was as keen as you delude yourself, they would have made noises about Germany taking in all of the refugees during the recent eastern EU border drama.

    That’s a somewhat special case, because it’s linked to the tensions with Belarus and Russia, and the blackmail by Lukashenko is so blatant. But in any case, the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.

    No mainstream political party is going to do what far-right voters like you want

    Says a guy who was a hardcore WN when he first turned up here (both as TF and in your previous “Polish” incarnation) and went on and on how we’re all living in “Jewish oligarchies”, lol. But you were just as annoying back then as in your present Swedecuck incarnation, so at least some things haven’t changed.

    • Agree: Some Guy
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Svidomyatheart
  26. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. Hack

    watch railroading video

    For timetraveling, there are interesting tram videos to play on your television. But the restorer often adds annoying music, you need to mute.

    Crazy how modernized and ordered Leipzig looks in 1931.

    San Francisco before the earthquake.

    New York, etc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1OgQL9_C.

    watched many of the walking videos that I can recall…please do recommend a couple that you’ve found to be particularly entertaining

    I think the best of the walking video to play on your television, is just a boring one, which is like real life. You can sit on your sofa with a coffee and relax. After a while your brain doesn’t distinguish too much from real life.

    The question is whether we still enjoy playing these on the television after the pandemic is finished, and it’s easier to travel again. Or whether we will just be enjoying Mediterranean on our television forever, especially when we are getting in the future to 8K MicroLED television.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  27. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Jazz music obviously attracts a lot of more very nerdy and rich people, which can see from the prices of the out of print recordings (people spending thousands of dollars for out of print CD boxsets). I wonder if it is related to having music lessons when young.

    But in Jazz music it has a more multi-national audience.

    While classical music fans seem to be filtering for nerdy, rich and Jewish people. Which you saw from how the classical music blogs, are about reporting about 30% reporting Jewish news. The most popular classical music blog, Slipped Disc I’m always laughing to read it was like 50% of Holocaust related trivial news, in between complaining about concert hall acoustics of London.
    https://slippedisc.com/?s=jewish

    Unfortunately, classical music seems to be increasingly older people listening to. So it’s like classical music fans are becoming a centre of old Jewish nerds.

    I wonder if Jazz can still maintain some younger audience. Jazz music fans were traditionally younger people. But I feel like the jazz writers nowadays are also old people talking about their investments in the stock market.

    At least, visual modern art (unlike music) still has young fans from what I saw. When you go to art gallery with modern art, it still seems there are a lot of young hipsters still love 20th century painting. I guess in cities like New York, London, Paris, there are mostly still 25 year old people going to the art gallery, and flooding any modern art exhibition.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  28. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    the youth sections of both Greens and SPD have come out in favour of accepting migrants from Belarus (as has the CDU’s Wolfgang Schäuble), so it’s pretty absurd to claim “the spirit of 2015” is gone. It’s still very much there.

    I concur. The top 4 parties in Germany support massive immigration inflows.

    The problem for the German people is that those around them are learning the Truth. Open [Muslim] Borders are a mistake. They can never assimilate, engage in religious discrimination, and bring crime with them. (1)

    Muslim Attacks on Christian Churches

    France: On October 11, an illegal Muslim migrant from North Africa barged into the Notre-Dame de l’Assomption Basilica in Nice, a city that has a significant Muslim population. He began to “scream in Arabic” and spit on the church’s floor. He left, only to return 10 minutes later and resume his yelling and spitting; he also began to threaten the sacristan, who contacted police. Although the Muslim migrant tried to escape, police managed to apprehend him. Three months earlier, in July, another Muslim was arrested after entering the same basilica and shouting at the congregants, “I’m going to come back and I’ll kill you all.” And a year earlier, on October 29, 2020, a Muslim terrorist slaughtered three Christians in the same basilica.

    Germany: A migrant from Afghanistan vandalized church property in the city of Nordhausen. The man, who came to Germany as an “asylum seeker” in 2015, was found angrily removing many of the church’s objects—including the crucifix that hung on its main wall, altar items, and hymn books—out of the church building. When the pastor confronted him about his actions, the man replied that he “can’t accept the Christian faith.” According to the October 30 report:

    “The ‘refugee’ describes the Christian faith as ‘wrong’ and takes the view that it is fundamentally a mistake that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, which is why he felt compelled to redecorate such a house of worship… He made his point of view clear that he cannot accept the Christian faith.”

    Police were eventually called and the man expelled from the premises. Some of the church’s items were damaged by him, including the Christ figure which broke off the cross; and “a showcase inside the church was also broken into and cleared out.”

    Ultimately, the only solution for Europe will be returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    There is one huge upside to all of this. Hypocrisy will prevent Europe from objecting when others follow their precedent — Returns for Me, but not for Thee! is a very hollow concept. The solution for Palestine is also returning non-indigenous Muslims to their religious homelands.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Pericles
    , @RadicalCenter
  29. @German_reader

    Arent Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists? If so then expect tons of migrants and all kinds of concessions and destruction of heavy industry in favor of climate change.( i dont know whenever its payback for WW2 where they want to completely destroy and humiliate your nation or if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems).

    I was right when I said Luka bit more than he can chew. I think the only way you guys can realistically deter migrants is like utu said is to get Putin involved into it and he will ruin it. Now Luka stepping down and deescalating the whole ordeal

    Once again like I said an excellent opportunity for Europe to enact more strict border control. Lukashenko just now beginning to realize that there are things Erdogan CAN do and Luka cant.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @German_reader
  30. A123 says: • Website

    The World Health Organization capitulates to the Elite CCP (1)

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has explained why it skipped the Greek letters “nu” and “xi” in naming the new COVID-19 variant Omicron.

    “Two letters were skipped—Nu and Xi—because Nu is too easily confounded with ‘new’ and Xi was not used because it is a common surname and [the] WHO best practices for naming new diseases … suggest avoiding ‘causing offence to any cultural, social, national, regional, professional, or ethnic groups,’” the United Nations agency said in a statement to The Epoch Times on Saturday

    Would the WHO show such deference to any American, Trump or Biden?

    The reason why “international” organizations, such as WHO, lack credibility is their inherent pro-CCP bias. The UN, WTO, and NBA (∆) are equally corrupt and unreliable.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-explains-why-it-skipped-xi-when-naming-new-covid-19-variant-omicron

    (∆) Theoretically the NBA is a sports league, however they have sold out to the Elite CCP and are completely untrustworthy.

     

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  31. A123 says: • Website
    @Svidomyatheart

    Aren’t Greens basically an arm of Atlanticists?

    German Greens serve the very European WEF. They need nothing from across the Atlantic.

    They are pure, homegrown SJW Globalists extremists. The living icon of the Green Party is Greta Tintin Eleonora Ernman Thunberg. Atlanticist content = 0. She is a Swedish environmental activist. Falsely blaming trans Atlantic sources is akin to railing against the dying of the light. Possibly cathartic, but extremely unproductive.

    When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  32. Coconuts says:

    When will Europeans take responsibility for the SJW plague they have inflicted on the globe? The situation cannot improve until deliberate misallocation of blame ceases. When Europe takes up arms against the Horrors from Davos, then there will be chance at defeating the true SJW European Elite foe.

    What constitutes SJWism? I understand it as politics and activism based on LGBTQ, 4th wave feminism, CRT and Post-Colonialism and the post-2000s anti-capitalism/occupy Wall Street movement. At the moment the enthusiasm for this stuff is mainly emanating from the US, even if earlier versions of the ideas used to be current in Europe (sometimes promoted/fostered by US power in past decades; developments in West German culture post-1945 seem to be a clear case of this).

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena. The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Barbarossa
  33. German_reader says:
    @Svidomyatheart

    if they are really true believers who think that wind and solar can solve all our energy problems

    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment. The hope seems to be that the technology for the hard problems like energy storage will just be there by 2030, when they want to exit coal power. I doubt it will go that smoothly, but hey, maybe I’m totally mistaken, I’m just an ignorant rightoid after all. We’ll see.

  34. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    “stereotypical Miami style” from the portrayal of late 20th century television, was just the most beautiful clothes mix, if you are rich, and don’t care about your dry cleaning bills. All formal clothes with light color

    That’s right. I didn’t mean the actual local Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go there. Glamorous and a lot of pristine white clothing, white shoes, etc. The point is there is a fine line between glamorous and tacky / overdone.

    Yes for the young people it’s just converging to Western Europe in Moscow and Saint-Petersburg. I had short visits in both places in the last year, and considering their hipsters simply feel like I’m visiting Europe.

    That’s what I meant, I started noticing that about 5 years ago. In 2019 I spent time in a location that is rather popular with upperclass Russians (not the very rich, but somewhat affluent Moscovites) and I started seeing a big difference in how women look. Much more subdued make up and the hair is kept natural, I do like blond highlights but they now have this sleek natural colored hair that looks very good. Clothing is high end but not flashy at all. Almost a little on the traditional side.

    The reason I’m wasting comment space mentioning this is because it’s visible there’s been a cultural change in the last 5-10 years (for the lack of a better time stamp). There were always Russian youths that looked / dressed “European” (and ofc there were always artsy types) but now it seems to be mainstream. And they’re not tatted up and overweight. This is a great balance. Same for Belarus (you could see that during the mass “walking” event).

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  35. A123 says: • Website
    @Coconuts

    What constitutes SJWism?

    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values is the core of SJW Globalism.

    Globalists might adopt or promote these ideas if it suits their purposes but imo their power is distinct from the SJW phenomena.

    Clearly anti-factual. MegaCorporations and SJW’s are a single, cohesive, inseparable whole. Consider this Islamic display.

      

    IslamoGloboHomo is unified.

    The same goes for Islam, they can ally with SJWs when it is advantageous for both parties but in terms of ideas and worldview they are the almost complete opposite of the Woke.

    Again, anti-factual.

    Preying on prepubescent children is normal for SJW Islam:
    — Muhammad raped Aisha when she was 9
    — Child brides are normal in Islam

      

    The Woke-slam of Muhammad embraces SJW ideals. Again, you can see the total convergence. All you have to do is open your eyes. This is what you will see.

      

    Islamic BLM is a core SJW movement rooted in hatred for Judeo-Christians.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  36. Coconuts says:

    This is a reply to Dmitry’s message no. 953 in the other thread…

    It’s also especially easier to alienate yourself, because of smart televisions.

    So now you can watch 1970s television like it is a live presentation. Old television is far more relaxing and beautiful, than modern television. But it creates a very alienating sense in you, when you stop watching and suddenly realize you are living decades and political systems years too far into the future. It has the shock in unconscious mind of awakening from a dream.

    This is true, I experienced this last Sunday after watching an evening of 1970s BBC documentaries;
    there is another John Betjeman classic called ‘A Passion for Churches’ about church architecture in Norfolk and the life of various Church of England parishes there; I am not part of the C of E myself but it is a strange window into a now fading (or disappeared) kind of English life and culture.

    Then, sometimes it can also happen if you listen to old radio dramas, and hear many episodes in succession or an atmospheric play: this classic J.B. Priestly play about the passage of time, disappointment and inter-war middle class deliquescence for example:

    https://archive.org/details/2-time-and-the-conways

    Slightly spooky given the subject matter.

    Extremely strong way to have this if you are from the postsoviet sphere, is playing multi-hour wonderful Soviet broadcasting on your television, and imagine it is winter 1978, that Pugacheva is brilliant young woman singer (2:51:30), Kobzon doesn’t need a wig, beautiful Valentina Tolkunova (23:00 & 39:00) is still alive and hasn’t died.

    I don’t understand that much Russian and am not connected to the post-Soviet sphere directly, but watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.

    I used to experience something like this reasonably often being with my wife and in-laws in her home town in Belarus; possibly it is because the political and economic system there is quite ‘retro’ and it creates a weird disjoint and stasis, where you easily fall into believing that far away Britain is still similar to how it was in 1990. If I can I find it is interesting to read older (1950>) literature while in this mood.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  37. German_reader says:
    @A123

    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values

    That’s pretty vague, if you don’t give us a definition what “Judeo-Christian values” actually are.

    Consider this Islamic display.

    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an “Islamic display”?
    I’m not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam (e. g. you also blamed the rates of illegitimacy among black Americans on Islam, even though almost 80% of blacks in the US are at least nominal Christians, and there seem to be some indications they are more religious than whites or Hispanics:
    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/02/07/5-facts-about-the-religious-lives-of-african-americans/
    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).

    • Replies: @A123
  38. German_reader says:
    @A123

    Child brides are normal in Islam

    There are certainly many dubious customs in the Islamic world, but the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:
    http://web.archive.org/web/20090807032557/http://blogs.news.sky.com/foreignmatters/Post:dcc9d723-8046-4857-b618-5c1135ba6417
    (which you can find in five minutes via reverse image search)
    I mean, I’m not even entirely unsympathetic to your world view, but don’t you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    • Agree: Max Demian
    • Thanks: RadicalCenter
  39. @German_reader

    He is a troll who has convinced himself of some factually incorrect beliefs to support his own political worldview.

    Islam is the next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.

    • Replies: @A123
  40. I have to say that without Anatoly the Unz site loses its charm. I am a liberal globalist who tries to be a Christian. I was here for Anatoly’s commentary about Russia which as someone with Skin in the Russian Game, I find quite accurate. The racism, anti-semitism, conspiracy theories et al with which the rest of the site is awash are vile. Yes, somewhere in all of that are valid ideas that are censored elsewhere but most is hate speech. That said the site has a right, indeed a duty to exist. It is an exercise in transparency.

    I might not disappaear immediately but I find myself fading away already.

    • Agree: Aedib, AP, showmethereal
    • Troll: schnellandine
  41. German_reader says:
    @Philip Owen

    Just subscribe to Karlin’s Substack, maybe he’ll eventually get around to continue his blogging there (maybe read his AI Halloween story, which is quite entertaining, and leave a comment as a sign of appreciation).
    Most of UR is obviously only attractive for a very specific clientele. I’m far right by most people’s definitions and only still come here for AK’s comment section. It’s unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.

    • Agree: Barbarossa, iffen
    • Replies: @Mikel
  42. Lukashenko is further trying to clean himself of his own visa holding tourists, just adding more “subtle” and quieter traditional ways, but LT border guards are not very fond of it:

  43. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    upperclass .. youths that looked / dressed “European”

    Well the upperclass rulers of Russia have been fashionable LGBTQ looking hipsters for around a decade now if you were following them in social media.

    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano executive and daughter of a famous Jewish oligarch. At 0:30 the presenter of MTV Russia (who owns shops and restaurants in Moscow), boyfriend of son of LifeNews owner, has a hoverboard. I’m pretty sure a hoverboard only popular with hipsters in the last few years even in London.

    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.

    Miami style on the ground there, but the style of those kinds of Russian women that like to go

    I haven’t been in Miami, but I guess this how you can distinguish the Russian prostitutes that flood there with a tourist visa.

    But even in decade old videos, children of the Kremlin elite that buy half of the property in Miami, surely look perfectly like the local American hipsters. The ruling class are such kind of chameleons when they are outside Russia.

    reason I’m wasting comment space mentioning this is because

    You’re not wasting comment space. It’s very true and it’s what I’ve been thinking about for years – it’s nice to find other people wondering about this situation.

    But the appearance of the ruling elite, filter to the class immediately below them, who still can overlap a little with their rulers.

    Aristocracy, is copied by the upper middle class in Moscow. But with Russia’s economy, lower middle class can’t copy the upper middle class, and it is cool enough for normal people to shop in H&M and Zara

    In Russia, there is also a different situation that the upper class are trying to feed a special media to the normal Russian people – e.g. these projects like “Timati”, and the politics like “LifeNews”, etc.

    Some of this Timati project, is pretty successful no doubt – mainstream Generation Z in normal provincial Russia 2020, can be still all be trying to look like they are in a Timati video from 10 years ago. Here is the Timati style which is still mainstream in the normal youth/

    Although normal provincial middle class nerd children in Generation Z live on the internet. In the cities where there is a critical mass of middle class nerd kids, the nerds seem nowadays can rebel by imagining they live in South Korea instead of Russia. This wasn’t like this in my youth. When I was growing up, nerds loved Japan, but such Korean culture was not even in the radar of the nerds.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @LatW
  44. Dmitry says:
    @Philip Owen

    Why would you exit? Ron Unz seems to be supporting our forum, which is very nice from him. So just stay on here and you can write with us. AnoninTN seemed to disappear, but otherwise we are getting thousands of posts in the last thread.

    I would ask if Thulean can write some guest posts on the blog which would probably trigger German Reader enough that he will never exit either.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  45. @A123

    James Harden kow-tow-ing to all of China is hilarious:

    This is from when he was a Houston Rocket. When he was a Rocket his local performance art was going into the strip clubs (Houston has very glitzy strip clubs) with two burly bodyguards and shoving people out of his way to show all the strippers what a big shot he was.

  46. @German_reader

    I think they really believe it, imo it’s crazy, dependence on renewables may make sense in some countries (like hydroelectric power in Norway), but seems like a very risky bet in Germany at the moment.

    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Nuclear power was at the heart of Macron’s France 2030 plan for re-industrialisation, announced last month. The plan includes a programme to demonstrate small reactor technology and mass production of hydrogen using nuclear electricity in this decade. Introducing the plan, he said he would be able to make his decision on the potential construction of up to six large reactors “in coming weeks”, anticipating the completion of a pivotal study by Prime Minister Jean Castex and the transmission network operator RTE.

    According to a report published by RTE in late-October, the cheapest way for France to achieve its net-zero emissions target by 2050 would be through the construction of 14 large new reactors, plus a fleet of small modular reactors, as well as significantly investing in renewables.

    EDF has already stated that it would like to construct six more EPR reactors in France. The group was due to submit a report to the French President in mid-2021, who was then to decide on the construction of the reactors. During a trip to Framatome’s Le Creusot plant in December 2020, Macron said the final decision to build new reactors must be taken no later than 2023, when the Flamanville EPR will be in service.

    https://world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/Macron-says-France-will-construct-new-reactors

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Pericles
  47. songbird says:
    @Philip Owen

    Mainstream media is honestly pretty vile, and, struggle as I might, I fail to see the comparison.

    What is the worst part of Unz? (I plead ignorance because many here have mentioned columnists that I have never read.) I’d guess Anglin (who I have seldom read), since I have heard people mention him offsite. But (1.) he is best characterized as being reactive to a destructive narrative. (2.) he is not very serious but means to be provocative (3.) Even if he were serious, the weight of his influence would be small compared to the overwhelming antiwhitism of standard media. And (4) Mr. Unz seems to welcome opposing view points.

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    And, even if I were to ignore their presence and grant the charge as a hypothetical, I have a hard time perceiving the harm. This site seems to be high IQ. I don’t think that it is riling up low IQ Arabs to become suicide bombers, as the low IQ perp in Waukesha was obviously riled up. No cities have been burned down because of Unz Review. No juries intimidated, or men falsely accused of murder. No wars started. Nor does it seem to be undermining Jewish identity, influence, or power, which seem as great as ever. Jews are not exactly shrinking violets, if anything, attacks help build up their identity, cohesion, and strength.

  48. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    in Belarus, stasis

    Yes this atmosphere is also in Russia and I guess most of the postsoviet sphere outside of Baltic states. It’s because you are thrown (to be ironic of Trotsky) on the “trash heap of history”, and the statis is from the “golden age” of the 1970s and early 1980s. I was born in the early 1990s, but in much of the material culture of my schools it was like we were still living in 1970s. Also when I was young, we were in a small city, where most of our buildings of the 1960s/1970s.

    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.

    John Betjeman classic called ‘A Passion for Churches’ about church architecture in Norfolk.. kind of English life and culture.

    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century – some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.

    I haven’t been to Richmond yet, but here it looks like an idealized view of the 19th century still in the 1975 year https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoR1f260TUo.

    watching some of this broadcast felt weirdly nostalgic (if this is the right word); Tolkunova was very beautiful.

    And really relaxing as well. This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today. That is not say about, the high talent level of the singers.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  49. The Battle for Lake Chosin, a Chinese war film, is now the highest-grossing film of 2021.
    I’ve skimmed the film by viewing a pirated copy on Vimeo (since taken down). My impression is that even for propaganda purposes, it is poorly made. Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it’s night and day.

    Thanks to an intense Hollywood campaign spanning many decades, most young Europeans would credit the US for the liberation of Europe rather than the USSR. Such is the power of the American propaganda machine. China, by contrast, has nothing. Even when its films are successful, that success is solely limited to domestic audiences, severely limiting its ability to project soft power abroad.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape. As a consequence, she was “disappeared”. When questions were raised, Chinese Twitter accounts affiliated with state media put out obviously faked screenshots of what was supposed to be her mailed statements. Except they contained no timestamps, no addresses or any other details.

    Obviously the Western media cynically exploited this scandal but the Chinese reaction was a timely reminder that Chinese propaganda remains abysmal.

    If you look at Chinese cultural output more broadly, I see nothing akin to Japan’s manga or Korea’s K-pop. The only area where I can see some genuine achievements would be science fiction, but that is a very niche field and it plays to China’s strengths (science/tech).

    Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don’t have “Indian towns”.

    Will any of this matter? If you think China has a shot at replacing the US, then it should give you pause. American ability to brainwash foreigners is an extremely underrated tool of its power projection. If you do not China has the capability to become the uncontested hegemon – and I do not, as my bet with AK proves – then this will merely serve as confirmation of your skepticism. Of course, propaganda is merely one tool of the arsenal of a superpower. Economic strength is the most important one, but even there I am doubtful that China will ever meaningfully surpass the US. That’s another debate, however.

  50. German_reader says:
    @sudden death

    Maybe there is some sort of quiet unofficial Franco-German agreement of energy labour division as DE goes full retard green, but FR picks up the slack and ramps the nuclear backup at full force to be able keeping neighhbouring electricity grid stability in case of need?:

    Something like that might well be happening de facto, with Germany becoming dependent on energy imports from its neighbours, but of course there are already signs of the usual anti-nuclear posturing by Germany, which is “concerned” about Poland’s plans for nuclear power:
    https://www.dw.com/en/germany-concerned-about-polands-nuclear-energy-plans/a-56603782
    The nuclear issue is already becoming a point of contention between Germany and pro-nuclear France and its eastern allies:
    https://www.dw.com/en/eu-states-split-on-classifying-nuclear-energy-as-green/a-59792406

  51. sher singh says:
    @songbird

    Yes, but Philip Owen is a liberal who tries to be a Christian.
    He’s subtly telling you he doesn’t make friends discussing Unz at the Gay Bar||

    • LOL: songbird
  52. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism

    Antisemitism is certainly a major theme on UR, perhaps even its main theme. I’d be lying if I claimed it bothered me that much, since imo there are at least some partial truths in the antisemitic material (Jewish nationalism and Jewish power are a real factor in the world, from my perspective frequently a negative one). However, when one reads the antisemitic authors on UR like Kevin MacDonald, Andrew Joyce and Tobias Langdon, imo there’s no denying that their arguments are ultimately pretty extreme, despite the seemingly academic format. They really do present Jews as a monolithically evil force throughout the ages (sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children). It’s hard to see what their solution for the Jewish issue could be, if not an eliminationist one, and in the comment sections commenters like “neutral” (who once was active on AK’s blog) are drawing exactly that conclusion. Of course those points apply even more to someone like the openly pro-Nazi Raches and his commenters. So imo calling much of UR antisemitic is just a factual description.
    However I agree with you that UR is unlikely to spur violence in the real world, it’s probably still too cerebral for the sort of people who are inclined to commit mass shootings and the like.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Ron Unz
  53. Pericles says:
    @A123

    Well, perhaps the underlying problem is waiting for the police to remove stinky kebab rather than grilling it yourself? Along with the usual tepid official response afterwards, of course.

    • Replies: @Max Demian
  54. Pericles says:
    @sudden death

    Sweden has gone nuclear retard too which adds to the power crunch since we export a substantial part of what is generated.

    In an earlier era, Sweden got roughly 90% of its power from hydro and nuclear. Then it was decided to switch to solar and wind and gradually shut down the nuclear plants. Unexplainably, now power prices are skyrocketing and the government have ordered to start burning oil to try to replace the loss, LOL YOLO.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  55. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    As to the charge of anti-Semitism, I would say that this site seems to be popular with Jewish commentors. Are they masochists? (I doubt it) I struggle to explain their presence, unless they see some net positive in the site.

    One of their secret powers is they don’t really care what you think of them. Cries of anti-semitism is just policing of goyim they don’t like.

    • Replies: @songbird
  56. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dmitry

    AnoninTN seemed to disappear

    And Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick), Reiner Tor, Thorffinsson, AP (?), Daniel Chieh, The Big Red Scary, Gerard. German_reader only recently started a flurry of comments, after being on a lengthy hiatus. Maybe folks are just taking some well deserved time off, or:

    Seven little coffins have already been filled. Who’ll be next? Wh0 will remain and who will disappear? 🙂

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    , @sher singh
    , @Dmitry
  57. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Hatred of Judeo-Christian values

    That’s pretty vague, if you don’t give us a definition what “Judeo-Christian values” actually are.

    I have defined it multiple times in the past. You should have little difficulty going back and finding sufficient definition.

    A gay pride float financed by J.P. Morgan is an “Islamic display”? I’m not particularly fond of Islam myself, but it seems rather eccentric to attribute anything you regard as negative to Islam

    The flag of the ‘bacha bazi’ indicates that children will soon be available to adult males. How can anyone not see the ‘bacha bazi’ flag as Islam in action?

    I do not regard all negatives as Islamic. However, the first pillar of Muslim faith is ‘Jihad’. Defeat of the Infidels.

    How is it unreasonable to view these as acts of Jihad;
        • Undermining of Judeo-Christian values
        • Installation of SJW Islamic values

    According to that article only 2% of black Americans are Muslims).

    And, in most jurisdictions they comprise 20%+ of the prison population. One doesn’t need a majority for sabotage and espionage.

    Add to this Dhimmi who serve Islam. Perhaps there are members of Islamic BLM and Muslim Antifa who serve without formally converting. That does not changing the undeniable fact that Woke-slam drives BLM and Antifa.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  58. Dan Hayes says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Nobody is irreplaceable – so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @A123
  59. A123 says: • Website
    @German_reader

    the picture you included below that line seems to have a different context:

    don’t you think such easily debunked arguments are a bit counter-productive?

    I picked the photo based on the message the photo conveyed as an image. I never identified the underlying article. Whatever you think you have found via reverse search is 100% without relevance to the actual usage I presented for. So, as yet, you have not debunked anything.

    Several posters here, such as Yellowface Troll, have gone out of their way to challenge the simple observation that George IslamoSoros is a Muslim.. They have all failed to show any inconsistency between SJW Islamic beliefs and the 100% anti Judeo-Christian activities of The IslamoSoros.

    You may of course try to prove that he is not a Muslim. However you will fail, like those that proceeded you, The more that you fail at ‘debunking’ the more you strengthen my position.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  60. @Thulean Friend

    The Peng Shuai debacle is a fabrication https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    It is very hard for pro-China facts to leak through the western media firewall. But very easy for western lies to greater in the cesspool inside the firewall.

    The Chinese probably don’t care if westerners know the facts about Peng Shuai, and why should they? There is no democracy (which requires an intelligent and prosperous citizenry) in the West, there is zero chance of there coming to power a pro-China political party or movement.

    China leads the way in science and technology and more importantly in culture. They have the cultural capacity to create and sustain civilization, while the West has obviously lost it.

    Your point about Chinese cultural influence being non-existent and it being necessary is weak. Especially when you compare it favorably to Indian cultural influence.
    And this one question proves it.
    Would you prefer your hypothetical 18 year old daughter travel alone in China or India?

  61. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon

    I have repeatedly stated that Christian Russia and the Christian U.S. make logical allies.

    Why do you keep buying of into the Leftoid “Russia, Russia, Russia” myth? You will be much happier you stop believing MSNBC.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  62. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dan Hayes

    Within the bunch of commenters that I’ve mentioned above are some very creative, high IQ individuals that exhibit strong traits of being erudite and pantomathic. I’ve never encountered such a bunch!

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  63. @A123

    PBUYT

    They should! The common ground for cooperation is indeed large. The only enmity towards Russia is from those in the Deep State who wants to resurrect a Yeltsin-like dependency in Russia’s leadership.

    But I wasn’t talking about how you view Russia, but Islam.

    • Replies: @A123
  64. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon

    If you were not raising your views about Russia… Why did you mention Russia?
    _____

    Any connection between Christian America and Muslim nations is tenuous (at best).

    — Egypt was almost lost to the Terrorist Brotherhood.
    — Turkey had theoretically become secular, but they are backsliding under Erdogan.
    — Saudi and the U.S. exhibit only tactical cooperation. It is driven by the need to contain the violent theocracy of the Ayatollahs. There is no set of shared values underpinning this arrangement.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  65. A123 says: • Website
    @Dan Hayes

    Nobody is irreplaceable – so bring on the next consignment of replacers!

    ROTFL — I am unique! And therefore irreplaceable.

    Who could possibly replace me?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Agree: German_reader
    • LOL: Dan Hayes
  66. @A123

    PBUYT

    I think you have a very simplified worldview of how Britain & the US influenced & countered Middle Eastern powers:
    > Egypt had been a British protectorate mainly because of Suez, then ended up on the road to Arab Socialism against Israel, and after that became an US ally again after signing peace with Israel. Muslim Brotherhood doesn’t change that status.
    > You are right about Turkey, but they were the US bulwark against the Soviets & still a NATO member. They do fund Islamist terrorists in Idleb, only to mess with Bashar Assad.
    > The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system. Saudi Arabia replaced the Iranian Shah who lost power after the Iranian Revolution, and all aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.

    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @A123
  67. Beckow says:
    @Thulean Friend

    American ability to brainwash foreigners…

    And by brainwash you mean to lie? What else would it be? Let’s not escape into unnecessary complex terminology. It always takes two for a lie to exist: the lier and the willing receptor of the lie. So I am not particularly sympathetic to the foreigners who are the audience for the constant lying – they seem to prefer it that way.

    I actually agree with most of what you said, the missing part is that the world has never had a hegemon and China won’t be one either. The world is a big place with too many people, it is not open to central management. In the so-called unipolar era, US was not a hegemon, only a place with reserve currency and a dominant culture. The future will be very much the same: a number of different powers jostling for resources, influence, control of smaller places, cultural reach. If you see it that way, China will be about the same as US was in the 1992-2008 period. Don’t forget that China makes most of the stuff the world uses today.

  68. A123 says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon

    The US sees Middle Eastern powers as foreign chess pieces against mainly Russia, Iran & Syria, trying to keep the place messy so that they can extract all the oil & create refugee waves.

    The last thing Christian Populism wants is rape-ugee waves. That is a unique characteristic of the anti-US, European WEF Globalism headquartered in Davos & led by Merkel for over a decade.

    The US & Saudi agreed to have the Petrodollar system

    The U.S. became energy independent under Trump. Not-The-President Biden temporarily screwed that up, but it will be fixed soon after his occupation of the White House ends. The petrodollar concept is functionally dead.

    aggression against Iran is to join their oil fields into the failed state Iraq.

    40+ years of aggression by Iran is about creating a Shia Crescent designed to reduce Sunnis to 2nd class. And, of course, exterminate the maximum number of infidels.

    Blaming the Saudis is obviously wrong and laughably absurd. Defense against an incredibly violent nation headed by religious zealots is the minimum possible response.

    — From #40 —
    … next Globalist target after the West & Russia/China.

    I am a Christian Populist. WEF European Globalist ideology is your belief system, obviously not mine

    You still haven’t explained your prior ideation of European WEF Globalist aggression against Russia. Your views are especially puzzling, because their appears to be a WEF-Russia Anti-Christian alliance based on NS2. IMHO, Putin is serving his WEF mistress Merkel with the gift of energy. This actually undermines Russia’s interests.

    Why are you a WEF Globalist?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  69. songbird says:
    @German_reader

    Langdon doesn’t seem to appear on the front page, anymore.

    Only just browsed Joyce’s “On Jews and Vampires.” Title is certainly provocative, but I don’t think the content is dehumanizing. Seems to be oppositional or reactionary. If I understand his closing premise correctly – that Jews secretly see themselves as the villains – I find it laughable.

    Have read only a tiny bit of KMac. I found his style, which seems to be quoting the political word salad of Jewish academicians, extremely tedious. It may have its purpose (such as showing affiliation and attitudes), but, IMO, it doesn’t make for good reading.

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    sometimes to a rather grotesque degree, MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children)

    not really familiar with the literature here. I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside). But I’ll allow that some of the pedophiles may have been Jews and may have been lynched, as a result. As an American, I’m really sensitive to the fact that many blacks who were murderers and rapists have been venerated as victims, with monuments erected to them, when the weight of evidence is still sharply against them. (Not that there is enough evidence to review medieval crimes)

    Jewish child sacrifice is not a theory I favor, but I don’t know that it is really any more opprobrious than the blood libel that some Jews (including some of my personal acquaintances) have put on Euros. I don’t think that this blood libel matches up with the DNA evidence, which seems to show that the Ashkenazim in their millions are descended from a small settler population. No saying that there were never any massacres, but that was par for the course in medieval times, and they may have gotten less of it, rather than more. And anyway, I think that bringing it up now, and trying to make political hay of it, is really quite obnoxious, self-centered, and harmful. All of these same people would defend Indian raids or the Haitian Revolution.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @A123
  70. sher singh says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick)

    It’s too bad your ethnocentricism, evinced by terming a Buryat a Slavic sidekick, is not applied to reproduction||

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  71. songbird says:
    @Pericles

    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men – Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. “Do you really love me?” (asking for the 1000th time). If one were to pit it against the same mindset, there would be no surrender, just argument, which is maybe what they sometimes want. Recreational contention, for the pleasure of it.

    • Replies: @A123
  72. German_reader says:
    @songbird

    I imagine such things were due to pedophiles, not group rituals (some ancient groups aside).

    MacDonald seems to believe there really were Jewish religious rituals with sacrifices of Christian children. His main reference is a controversial book by an Israeli scholar (Ariel Toaff) about obscure blood rituals among medieval Jews. I haven’t looked into it, but it sounds rather far-fetched, and imo it looks like a sign for severe confirmation bias on MacDonald’s part.
    I agree with the sentiment of the rest of your comment, and I find the official philosemitic discourse in Western societies (with all those normiecons doing their best to prove their philosemitic credentials, yet never getting anything in return) rather tiresome. Pretty questionable though imo if the content on UR is constructive in any way.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @EuroNat
    , @iffen
  73. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    You’re a bit easy to troll, because you view internet very literally. Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?

    For example, a wealthy Jewish businessman with certain interests, might pay for prostitutes to dress as Nazis. Rich people can afford to do this kind of thing https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28550035

    Also Jewish people who are outsiders in their community, might try to get attention from their own community, by publishing what are the specific taboos of their community (holocaust denial, etc).

    Notice this website is very similar to a left American Jewish website, just with the “and that is good”, added after what they are obsessed with, and adjusted to be less intellectual and “upper class” – as the audience has to be “lower IQ” “rightoids.”
    Notice how similar this website is, to that website – just add “and that is good” to this one, and “that is bad” to that one https://forward.com/tag/neo-nazis/

    In America, they also use prisoners’ labor, because it’s very cheap. All the writers here are in a sense “outcasts”, so do you think they are paid normal rates. This is also something which is almost irresistible, for people from business background who are used to “buy low”. A project to hire all the outcasts is probably more fun and viable, than one to hire all the incasts (in the latter, it’s unaffordable).

    From judging actions, I appreciate Ron Unz seems to be a pretty good person. He is supporting our forum, even when we don’t exactly confirm to the other forums in the site, and he is just paying to host us without advertisement. He also respects your privacy by blanking your archive. So judge from his actions, he hasn’t been anything except good in his treatment to us specifically.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @German_reader
  74. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    Do you view seriously, when Middle Eastern looking people (that are still considered exotic in Russia – nobody in my school photos looks like this), start to claim to be “Russian nationalists” for an English audience blog?

    lol, is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don’t you think?
    I don’t really understand the rest of your comment, sorry. I guess your point is I should be more grateful towards Ron Unz? Well, I am, and as I’ve written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history). But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

  75. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Bashibuzuk (and his Buddhist/Buryak sidekick),

    They were both very good and interesting writers.

    I guess the real justification for Bashibuzuk exiting, is his wife found he was posting here every 10 minutes, and she was calling him an idiot.

    At first he acted like he was a noble dissident, exiting from us, because he was worried that Karlin was going to donate his information implausibly to Russian intelligence services. But then he returned when Karlin brilliantly trolled him with “Putin is a Russian nationalist” posting, and started to write even more specific biographical information (about his life in 1990s Paris etc).

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  76. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    IMO, verbal tilt means that Jewish group psychology verges more on the feminine. It might even be true, if one discounted the men – Jewish women seem much more assertive. No doubt, some misunderstandings arise from this fact.

    I do not know if “group psychology” holds up.

    However, you are certainly correct that there is no stigma attached to strong female leaders. Golda Meir springs immediately to mind. In a very real sense this makes Israeli Jews less prone to modern day feminism. Jewish woman do not need a hand up or a hand out. When they are the best they win, no special favours needed.

    When Jewish Palestine breaks free of the perpetual Muslim threat, this could be a flash point. The now much larger % population of Ultra Orthodox makes issues of female leadership more complex.

    Perhaps, some of these charges of anti-semitism are really akin to a girlfriend giving a shit test. “Do you really love me?” (asking for the 1000th time).

    I tend to doubt this. It is more a reaction (possibly over reaction) to the 1930-40 events. Collectively, Jews want to head off any repeat of that situation. They correctly realize that countering anti-Semitism as early as possibly is much easier than waiting for it to become a political force.

    Historically, this was quite successful. The only determined anti-Semitic groups were fringe White Nationalists [WN]. These extremists never obtained widespread traction.

    In modern times it has become much more troublesome. Migration limits inherent to Christian Populism provide an opportunity for WN’s to gain inclusion in more mainstream parties. Even more threatening, the incorporation of Islam into the political left (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn) presents a growing risk from the other direction.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
  77. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Caucasus ancestry? Bit mean, don’t you think?

    Well I only know Karlin from the internet, and I like him a lot from this internet interaction. As far as bloggers are, nobody has behaved so nicely to me before (constant interesting interaction and discussion). We “vote with our feet” by being his most hardcore fans on his blog that doesn’t exit here.

    But as for “Russian nationalists”?

    1. Being a “Russian nationalist”, is not considered a positive in Russian society. It’s kind of an insult, so it’s not rude to be sceptical of Karlin’s Russian nationalism.

    2. In slavic areas of Russia. For example, when I look at old children, school photos, in 1990s/early 2000s, Russia, in a small city. Photos are funny because everyone has “Northern European” appearance. This is a uniform Northern European appearance. So nobody was “Russian nationalist”, but if there was Russian nationalists, and Karlin was there – he would be the target.

    So yes, he is trolling a bit. That’s what the internet is for. Some of his posts are directly reacting to what the audience here says, like Bashibuzuk specifically.

    I think he was trying to troll me a couple times. He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.

    He is an internet professional, who works on the internet for years. and obviously intelligent in knowing how to get the “viral” reaction he wants in the internet sphere (just as he would probably not be successful in my profession, or your profession, where we develop our own different behaviours).

    Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact

    It’s clearly a hobby, rather than something he needs to get clicks from, or advertising revenue. What these reasons for the hobby can be, are not for us to judge. But there is a reason “millionaire” and “eccentric” are matching words for journalists. ( https://www.businessinsider.com/weird-things-millionaires-billionaires-buy-spending-habits-2020-8 ) It’s not that rich people are necessarily more eccentric (maybe all of us have desires people consider strange), but the rich people have less need to suppress these things, and can follow their idiosyncratic desires.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  78. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    If we just look at the right hand column the recent changes have been:

    — Loss — Audacious Epigone
    — Loss — Anatoly Karlin

    — Added — Raches
    — Added — Paul Kersey
    — Added — Jung Freud

    Both losses were core reasons why people visited this site. The also represented serious voices in discussions about HBD.

    Kersey is OK. While his posts have value, they are not deep on insight and subsequent discussion. Raches is a ghastly troll and the only author here that I have blocked. Jung is so new I will not draw a final judgement, but his first couple of offerings have not been engaging.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Barbarossa
  79. Aedib says:

    Germany Urges Congress Not To Sanction Nord Stream 2
    By ZeroHedge – Nov 29, 2021, 2:00 PM CST
    Germany is warning U.S. Congressional members that sanctions on the Nord Stream 2 pipeline could damage Washington’s credibility and transatlantic relations.
    The White House has consistently argued that its anti-NS2 stance is based on the fear that Putin is using the pipeline as a punitive action and weapon.
    The controversial pipeline is back in the spotlight as Europe is facing an unprecedented natural gas shortage.

    https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/Germany-Urges-Congress-Not-To-Sanction-Nord-Stream-2.html

    I think, Germans should first agree with themselves. While Bavarian industrialists demand the Russian gas, the greens oppose.

  80. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    He was definitely trolling you sometimes, and AP, et al, with Russian imperialist views.

    I don’t know, maybe AK exaggerated a bit for effect, but I got the impression his stated views in that regard were quite sincere. And it’s not unheard of that people with somewhat untypical origins or experiences become especially vehement nationalists (iirc AK attributed his nationalism not least to his experience of growing up as an immigrant in England), in a quest for belonging and identity.
    Don’t know if I’m easily trollable. But I tend to take what people write here about their views at face value, because my own views are fairly constant and I’m open about them here like nowhere else, so I assume (maybe naively) others are similar.

    It’s clearly a hobby

    I think Ron Unz does hope to influence public debate with this site, and maybe that wasn’t even totally unrealistic a few years ago. iirc some of Ron Unz’s articles, like the one about university admissions and meritocracy, were definitely noticed by somewhat prominent journalists and other mainstream figures, and the reception wasn’t all that hostile, more like “Controversial, but interesting, maybe true at least in part”. But I think it’s safe to say that the chances for influencing the mainstream have been much reduced since UR has embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2 “revisionism”. That’s just seen as totally toxic by almost everybody outside a tiny political fringe, and I don’t think this is going to change any time soon.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  81. songbird says:
    @A123

    I quite liked AE, but he probably suffered from burnout. IMO, there is only so much that you can massage out of existing surveys. The questions tend to be limited and some of the more interesting ones verboten, or buried. Not to mention that many of the ethnic categories are severely limited and nonsensical. Too bad he didn’t have a billionaire sponsor who liked bankrolling new surveys and studies. Or wasn’t put in charge of the US census. I think he feared repeating himself too much.

    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don’t know if others would enjoy that.

    I do not think I am alone scoring the recent changes as an overall content downgrade.

    It must be hard to find people who can output quality content semi-regularly, and who do not fear social consequences.

    For my part, I wish that there was more content from nationalists on here. A new Mishima for Japan, China, and Korea. As well, as more for European countries. But that may be somewhat utopian. Many seem to stick to video platforms, and there may be language barriers, and they may not see the value of putting everything into English.

    I would almost suggest trying to recruit some people from Twitter here. I can think of a few interesting characters, like Whyvert. But, if they wanted to blog, wouldn’t they already be doing it? Probably the increased time commitment makes it unattractive.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  82. songbird says:
    @A123

    First three countries with female prime ministers:

    Sri Lanka 1960
    India 1966
    Israel 1969 (maybe, delayed because of war heroes?)

    Make of it what you will.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2016/06/politics/women-world-leaders/

    • Thanks: A123
  83. Mr. Hack says:
    @sher singh

    What do you mean? The only reason that I termed the man a Buddhist/Buryat, and a “sidekick” was that my faulty memory couldn’t remember his name. He was indeed a “Buddhist/Buryat” was he not? And as far as referring to him as Bashibuzuk’s “sidekick”, is that he so often showed up to the table after Bashibuzuk (or Anon4) made a comment. How about Buddhist/Buryat’s sidekick “Bashibuzuk”, now is that better? 🙂

    • LOL: sher singh
  84. Mr. Hack says:
    @Dmitry

    You’ve got quite the imagination (I like it). But in this case, I think that he’ll see right through your ruse and not be moved to do anything, although I hope it works. Anything to get him back. It’s too bad that Karlin and him butted heads, for it wouldn’t do to get Karlin to write another “Putin is a Russian Nationalist” piece, I don’t think. 🙂

    Hey Bashibuzuk, c’mon back and humor us, and let us know that it’s actually you who still wears the pants in your family!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  85. mal says:

    Slavic Brotherhood in action!

    Polish, Ukrainians, and Russians may not like each very much, but when it comes to doing what they do best – shaking down Germans for free money – the unity is truly inspiring.

    Gazprom reports record quarter on surging gas prices, sees bumper times ahead

    https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-swings-q3-net-profit-year-ago-loss-2021-11-29/

    As I mentioned before, only a fool would think that higher gas prices would hurt Russia, and with all the fuss over Nord Stream 2, gas prices have skyrocketed.

    It is truly a thing of beauty – Polish sued Gazprom to switch to spot prices, and then Ukrainians got Americans to turn off supply to Europe. And the results are in:

    Gazprom has posted the best quarterly profit ever, with vastly higher profits yet to come. For just the past 9 months they got something like \$20 billion extra, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they pick up additional \$10 billion this year before the winter is over. That’s enough to pay for a couple of Nord Stream 2’s and still have plenty of money left. And that’s just Gazprom.

    Thank you Poland and Ukraine, Russia couldn’t have done this without you. I hope you will lobby to scare the markets some more and drive Gazprom profits to \$100 billion/year.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @Aedib
  86. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    But who knows if this is really the cause of the time alienation in my case. Carl Jung writes that when he was a child, he felt like part of his personality seemed to be living in the 18th century.

    It sounds like it could be at least part of it. I am fairly certain the places where I grew up and went to school had a kind of formative influence, even though I was not aware of it at the time.

    Possibly there is some kind of shared ‘Northern European industrial city’ pattern where the cities rise up from small or non-existent beginnings in the 19th-early 20th century due to the development of heavy and extractive industries, draw in peasants from a wide geographic area, then through the 20th C. the life of the cities continues to revolve around all the works and plants. The 1980s marks the beginning of the end for this kind of society, the plants close, there is mass unemployment, decline of culture, rising crime, drug use and so on.

    In the Soviet Union, because the whole economy and political system was structured around this it happened in a mega society wide way.

    With London, I always receive the strongest impression of the later 19th century epoch. Especially around places like Victoria Albert Museum, Albert Memorial. But in other places in England, you feel like you can go directly to the 18th century – some of the buildings and cities are so strongly conserved.

    I find these places have a grand and imperial feel, I grew up around a lot of late 19th and early 20th century architecture, but it was mostly modest and provincial (apart from some of the council and union buildings, some mansions). The richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable, or as you mention in those other places that date back further, where you can see evidence of more wealth and a more developed culture stretching back into the 17th and 18th centuries.

    This Soviet television was so polite in speaking and manners of the people as well, comparing with television today.

    On UK TV the change seems to have started in the 1980s but by the late 90s was very well underway, it is very stark when you look back now.

    • Agree: Dmitry
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  87. songbird says:

    What to make of this Times of India story that seems to imply that Euros have massive superbrains?

    Vaguely suspect that it is high-caste Indians trolling low-caste Indians. Or maybe it is a mistake but seems reasonable to Indians, who think of the way that England once dominated the world.

  88. Aedib says:
    @mal

    Extraordinary gas prices are used by Gazprom to build reserves to finance Power of Siberia II (aka Trans-Mongolian pipeline).

    https://www.intellinews.com/gazprom-says-it-will-use-windfall-gas-crisis-cash-to-up-boost-capex-228320/?source=russia

    Once this pipeline is finished, the European market becomes a secondary one for Gazprom. This is the main reason why Russians are currently not in hurry to speed up NS2 opening. The extraordinary prices are helping them to sack the dependency of Gazprom on the European market.

    • Agree: mal
  89. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    embraced Holocaust denial and other extreme forms of WW2

    It doesn’t make you happy, but you (and I) are not paying for this. We are just free-riders who don’t even contribute advertizing revenue.

    This is a personally created website, of a wealthy (Jewish American) businessman. If a website makes him happy, it is successful. If it doesn’t make him happy, it is unsuccessful.

    Maybe you prefer he doesn’t write holocaust denial, but obviously – he is paying for the website, because the website is what he wants.

    Perhaps you would prefer with such money to buy a Lamborghini. Perhaps someone else likes chocolate ice-cream sprinkled with caviar. If it’s what they want, then they will buy it. After all, their money, their choice.

    AK exaggerated a bit for effect,

    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    It is a beautiful work of art, if read in the context of Karlin’s blog. I almost want to donate money to Karlin to pay for this artwork. On the other hand, you could be a little confused if you read from a literalist angle.

    somewhat untypical origins

    Because of the specific history in Russia (where is Russia is an imperialist occupying power), the nationalism became more like “white nationalism” or “white separatism” within Unionist America. Russian nationalism in the postsoviet time relates to a racial identity. So for Caucasian people as Russian nationalists, is like the joke about “Black Klansmen” in America, as Caucasian immigrants are one of the main hatred of Russian nationalists.

    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists, as we understood this term in local context (before the FSB has a crushed them in the last more than decade).

    Before they were crushed by Putin, violent nationalists specifically try to beat Caucasian origin people.

    Violent nationalists in Russia in 2000s, used to flood the internet with videos of beating and killing people. People of my generation, who had access to internet in the 2000s, have post-traumatic stress from watching videos of nationalists beating and killing immigrants.

    If you say “nationalists” in Russia, this who most people refer to – at least until recently. This is why in 2014 in Ukraine, in Russian media, they could generate a lot of disgust in Russia, by talking about the extreme nationalists that were controlling power in Ukraine.

    The violent videos of 2000s Russian internet, was later censored from the (and FSB crushed the nationalists were all imprisoned), so it’s possible that younger people in Russia do not have the same association.

    There seems more recently astroturf project to rebuild the unacceptable “nationalism”, as the acceptable “imperialism”. This thing loses its amusement, if you explain it.

    Karlin seems actually open and honest in my opinion. But clearly has a Dada professional ethic on this topic. In another life, he would become a “concept artist”. As it can be, he should convert Bashibuzuk’s reactions to his Putin nationalist article to NFT tokens, and sold them to the art market.

    wn views are fairly constant and I’m open about them here

    Yes me too. But we are consumers of content from the internet, rather than producers.

    Imagine working as a producer of content for the internet. You would need to design a “brand”, develop an audience,find ways to make people pay you. etc.

    For example, to make people donate money for your blog, I believe you would have to find very strong and unusual views.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one. Everything we write is too boring, cynical, conventional and not exciting.

    I’m sure we both have interesting views in non-political areas. But our political views are too conventional, boring, cynical and unoriginal, that anyone would donate money for them.

    AK attributed his nationalism

    The views are imperialist rather than nationalist.

    In some countries (perhaps Germany), the nationalism and the imperialism can match together, but in Russia it’s a occupying imperialist country, and it goes in the opposite direction. If you are really serious about nationalism, you want to maximally separate your nationality from the neighbors, etc, not to extend power over an empire.

    This also the noble part of nationalism within an imperialist country, is when you say “we don’t want empire, we want to live freely as a separate and modest nationality”.

    Karlin was also saying something like promoting the Russian Orthodox Church building and the imperialist symbols, was “nationalist”. But Russian Orthodox Church promotes immigration, and the Russian Empire’s conquests had pulled difficult nationalities into the country.

    Also Karlin is fan of Putin, who is the most open-border leader in Russian history, and wants to pull Uzbekistan into the open border zone (Uzbekistan tries to resist every year). But Putin is quite imperialist.

    I’m not saying there is anything wrong with Karlin’s views, or with support for Putin. There is also a reason why the word “imperialism” is like an insult in Russian – because of Lenin. Since Lenin, there is no positive word for imperialism, so the Russian imperialists are not exactly able to label their views.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  90. songbird says:

    I feel like this is the last moment to enjoy Racist Twitter (which still has some pretty amusing content), now that Jack is stepping down:

    https://nationalfile.com/new-twitter-ceo-wants-to-focus-less-on-free-speech-claims-theres-no-distinction-between-white-people-and-racists/

    • Replies: @Pericles
  91. Dmitry says:
    @Mr. Hack

    wouldn’t do to get Karlin to write another “Putin is a Russian Nationalist” piece

    It was beautiful writing by Karlin.

    I also feel guilty for spamming that thread with my boring offtopic nonsense posts. As it dilutes some of the artistic beauty in the comments like https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/#comment-4928901

    Bashibuzuk, c’mon back and humor us,

    Well from the trolled Bashibuzuk’s returning experience, at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called “Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist”.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  92. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    Did you read?
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russias-nationalist-turn/

    Partially. I don’t think I read all of AK’s piece that closely, tbh there are elements I’m not sympathetic to (some questions of history, or the denial of Ukrainian nationhood which strikes me as dangerously misguided) and which were already familiar from previous posts, so I just skimmed it. But I did look at the comment section, and just refreshed my memory of it, especially in regard to commenter “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies) were interesting, if not exactly my cup of tea either. His comments about the events of 1993 in Moscow were fascinating, that’s something that is utterly unknown in the West (even if the more extreme claims about a massacre may not be proven, but his recollection of the various groups involved in those events alone was absorbing). But anyway, Karlin and Bashibuzuk had a pretty intense debate there. So I don’t see why you think Karlin’s views aren’t sincere (if that’s what you’re insinuating). To me it’s clear he didn’t just write these things for shock value, they’re really close to his heart.

    Karlin parents would be the primary target of violent Russian nationalists

    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can’t judge that at all.
    I understand your point about the tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians, or how to deal with the reality of a multiethnic state (which however has a dominant core ethnicity of around 80%). I would say that it sometimes seemed to me that tension hadn’t been successfully resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.

    Nobody would ever donate money for my internet posts, and neither (no offense) would they pay for your one.

    Unfortunately you’re almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I’d be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dmitry
  93. Maybe all the recent both premature&too late looking fuss is because of Omicron covid being able to target the most youngest audience way better than previous covids?:

    Covid patients aged 2 and under most likely to go to hospital in South African epicentre.

    The new Omicron variant has rapidly overtaken Delta to become the dominant variant in Gauteng, a province that accounts for the vast majority of the country’s cases.

    There were about 455 admissions from November 11 to 28 in the Gauteng city of Tshwane, where eight people have died, Dr Jassat said during a televised government media briefing on Monday.

    In Tshwane, which has recorded the highest increases in admissions, there has been “a very sharp increase”, particularly in the past 10 days, she said.

    “When you look at the numbers of admissions by age, what we normally see is a large number of admissions in older people,” she added.

    “But in this early resurgence in Tshwane, we are seeing most admissions in the 0-2 age group.

    “And we are seeing a large number of admissions in the middle ages, sort of around 28 to 38.”

    She said “very high proportions” of young children were being admitted — more than 70 per cent of cases in the 4-and-under age group.

    The percentage was much lower in other child age groups, at about 10 per cent in children aged 5 to 9 and slightly less for the age 10-19 group.

    However, the percentage of young children admitted with comorbidities, or underlying conditions, was “quite low,” at about 1 per cent.

    More than 5 per cent of children aged 5 to 9 who were admitted had underlying conditions, she said. The percentage was slightly less for the 10-to-19 group.

    Almost 30 per cent of children aged 4 or under had “severe disease”. The percentage of those admitted with severe disease was slightly higher for the five-to-nine age group, at more than 30 per cent. It was slightly less for the age 10-19 group at about 27 per cent.

    Passengers wearing protective gear arrive at Incheon International Airport in South Korea. Health authorities have imposed an entry ban on foreign arrivals from eight African countries, including South Africa, to block the spread of the new Covid-19 variant Omicron. EPA

    “The increase in admissions in young children under 2 could just be precautionary. We don’t have enough information yet,” said Dr Jassat.

    “But the indications are not that they are more severe than they have been in the past.

    “I think what’s important for us to note is that while we do hospital surge preparedness, this time we may need to look at paediatric preparedness, especially.”

    There were eight deaths in the two weeks from November 14 to 28.

    Most occurred in older groups, aged 60 to 69. About 1.5 per cent of children aged 4 and under admitted to hospital died. There were no deaths among children aged 5 to 19 in the two-week period.

    “It doesn’t look at the moment like there is any increase in severity, but it is early. Admissions do lag about two weeks after cases and it takes some time for patients to have an outcome, so this is something we will watch and give more information in the coming weeks,” said Dr Jassat.

    The “vast majority” of those admitted to hospital were unvaccinated.

    https://www.thenationalnews.com/coronavirus/2021/11/29/covid-patients-aged-2-and-under-most-likely-to-go-to-hospital-in-south-african-epicentre/

  94. @Coconuts

    I’ve made nearly verbatim points as well to A123. I really can’t fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn’t like together cohesively.
    To each their own, I guess.

    • Agree: Coconuts, iffen
    • Replies: @A123
    , @songbird
  95. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    richer and grander buildings in London are noticeable

    This late 19th century, is some of the most beautiful, imperialist architecture in the world.

    Especially it seems places with “Queen Victoria” or “Prince Albert” in its name, has such a monumentalist, transcontinental power.

    Personally, I am not going to say anything kind for imperialist policies, but if you are going to have to build imperialist architecture, the British imperialist architecture is the one I would choose.

    Although less impressive from the perspective of local development, is the British Empire, was using its money building a lot of this in places where they would later “donate” it to future independent states (like such impressive “Victoria” buildings in India, Australia, etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dIinJ2BX0. ).

    • Agree: Coconuts
  96. AP says:
    @German_reader

    iirc Karlin has only one Caucasian grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic elements, but since I have no idea how ethnicity works in Russia, I obviously can’t judge that at all.

    At worst his would be a borderline case. I do know a half-Armenian who was often harassed on the subway by nationalists, due to his clearly Armenian appearance. Ironically the guy’s parents divorced when he was young and he was basically raised by his Russian family, and had little emotional connection to Armenians.

    Unfortunately you’re almost certainly right about that, quality blogging of the kind people are willing to pay for is a form of art. I’d be glad if I had the talent for it, I could use the money.

    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  97. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    at least we know that if we need to return German Reader, we can probably achieve it by writing a post called “Angela Merkel is the Perfect German Nationalist”.

    I don’t think anybody would ever call Merkel a nationalist, but there’s no shortage of pieces glorifying her. Normally it doesn’t trigger me (I’m pretty resigned to everything by now anyway), but I did write a comment yesterday on the American conservative website, when I saw some liberal American commenter claim “She kept Germany out of our Iraq misadventure”. In reality, Merkel of course wasn’t in power in 2002/03, and in fact she strongly criticized Schröder’s government for its alleged anti-Americanism (including through a piece published in the Washington Post, a rather unusual behaviour) and even explicitly defended the American invasion of Iraq. The myth-making about this completely uncharismatic woman with all her disastrous mistakes is really quite extraordinary and not easy to understand.

  98. @A123

    Heartily agree.
    I really used to enjoy Linh Dinh as well for something different, but he’s gotten completely on the Covid tangent.

    • Replies: @iffen
  99. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    I really can’t fathom where he comes from with the Islamo-globo-homo ideas. It seems to me a product of tendentious thinking and linking things he doesn’t like together cohesively. To each their own, I guess.

    I link cohesive ideas tofether. I am genuinely puzzles by those who cannot see the clear and obvious evidence of their own ideas. Let me illustrate below (continues under [MORE]).

    Even the protest organizers concede the connection between BLM and Islam. There is a perplexing blind spot where people refuse to see the truth about Muslim actions.

    Why is it so hard for you (and others) to recognize this painfully clear relationship?

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    ______________________

    -A- Look at this picture that is a a combination BLM and Islam.

     

     

    [MORE]

    -B- Now look at this picture which (again) shows the unification of BLM and Islam

     

     

    -C- And, look at this poster which shows the organizers combining BLM and Islam.

     

     

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  100. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    You and Dmitry are more interesting than any bloggers on Unz other than our host.

    Don’t cut yourself short!

  101. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    I rather like A123’s idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them”Muslim-SJWs” and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    Of course, I prefer my own “Zones of Rap” idea, which is to deport all undesirables to equatorial regions, where they would be free to blast rap, through large speakers, if they had the electricity. I should like to see color-signaling collapse back in on itself, which I don’t think could be done effectively in Arabia, though there are certainly many blacks there.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  102. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    don’t think I read all of AK’s piece Karlin’s views aren’t sincere

    I also for years was never reading his posts (not from lack of respect, but because my attention span was too short to read a long blog article), and just skim reading the comments. But I should read his posts and enjoy them, because they are very clever if you see the ironic angle he uses.

    You can’t miss how funny his writing is, and how much he is trolling. Now re-read, and you can see he has a very strong humour.

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view – which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism. His views mostly consistent and his support for Putin is not a contradiction.

    Look in the article and you can see how he embeds these jokes.

    Nationalism for him, means that you can enjoy Vietnamese food, in an Armenian owned shopping mall. Nationalists in Russia hate especially Armenians owning the businesses, so he knows how to troll hard. Nationalists in Russia also are kind of people who might really talk about trying to eat only “historical slavic foods” (I’m not joking).

    His joke is “nationalism must be successful, as it mysteriously “self-annihilates”. It’s because the FSB has priority target to destroy nationalism, as viewed as one of the main threats to the state. But the joke about “self-annihilates” is really funny as a joke about a false naivety.
    And he likes Margarita Simonyan to really troll.

    This is a brown Armenian woman, who has a kind of Armenian criminal family that steals openly money from the Russian budget (they employ every imaginable relative from this Armenian family, to take as much money from the budget). She promotes some imperialist views though.

    If you want to hear pro-LGBT, Russian liberals to start saying racist things, you can say how “Margarita Simonyan”. On the Russian liberal sites, they all liberals start writing racist comments. Funny way to troll them.

    “Bashibuzuk”, whose views (Balto-Slavic ethnonationalist with pagan sympathies)

    Bashibuzuk is Russian. He is kind of angry because he doesn’t have any “fashionable” Jewish or German, etc, ancestry. Baltic there is actually very good writer LatW here.

    grandparent. I find it interesting that you claim he wouldn’t be considered an ethnic Russian by the more xenophobic

    Yes I remember he posts a DNA test, which showed majority Slavic ancestry in his family. However, racist people in Russia, judge on appearance. They are not usually some “intellectuals interested in DNA mitochondria sequencing”.

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum “Dvach”, they were posting Karlin’s photos of family, and they does indeed look like Middle Eastern relative (like darker than some Arabs). So his family would be a direct target of the violent nationalists, that Putin has crushed in the last two decades.

    Fortunately, these violent racists have been imprisoned, and their groups are broken by Putin. Fortunately, streets in Russia are safe for people of all origins, and nobody will attack Karlin’s family. But it’s a funny trolling of such blog against the violent hooligans who could have been dangerous in streets for the blog authors.

    tension between nationalism and imperialism in Russia,

    And not recently. Russian Empire itself was ruled with help of a multinational aristocracy (including significant Caucasian aristocrats), and constantly adding new nationalities through conquests.

    Even with the high literacy nationalities, it’s not like Lithuanians, Jews, have immigrated to Russia voluntarily. Empress Ekaterina II takes their homelands (and started to settle them soon in the Crimea) – Russian Empire demanded homelands of these nationalities in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, against Polish demands. And Estonians were conquered and incorporated in Great Northern War.

    Multinationality in Russian Empire and later Soviet Union is one of the more direct results of Russian/Soviet imperialism, although until the Russian Federation there has not been a complete absence of internal border.

    Through the 19th century, Russian Empire is trying to crush nationalisms, and import imperialist ideologies to unsettle rival empires, like pan-Slavism.

    Meanwhile, rival empires, are trying to unsettle internally the Russian Empire, by promoting nationalisms within the Russian empire.

    nationalism and imperialism in Russia, with questions such as whether to hold on to the Caucasus or other regions where the majority aren’t ethnic Russians

    And Ukrainians, Tatars (see “Timati”), Bashkirs (yes still relevant – see “Morgenshtern”), Germans, Jews, Udmurts (yes in Russia, also there is a bit of traditional racism against physical appearance of Udmurts, is still sensitive topic). etc.

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like “Ukrainians don’t exist” is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    Nowadays, for example, Ukrainians are supposedly spreading a lot of anti-vax propaganda in Russia (https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2021/11/24/70273676.).
    Without a strong amount of imperialism, there isn’t such a good motive to try to incorporate nationalities which are hostile to it. That is, you need to be very imperialism, to want to take into Russia, Ukraine, as there would have to be strong imposition of Russification within the Ukrainian territory.

    In a descriptive sense, I think Ukrainians are basically – Russians. (Even bodylanguage is the same). But in the political sense, you have to be having crazy doses of imperialism to want to conquer Ukraine, say “Ukrainians don’t exist”, and incorporate a hostile population.

    y resolved in Karlin’s views and there were some contradictory elements, but again, since I’m not familiar with realities in Russia, I simply can’t judge those issues.

    I’m pretty sure you know more history than all of us. So you are probably the only person who has professional knowledge to judge anything about European history here.

    That’s also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

  103. I meant to throw this comment AaronB’s way in the last thread since we share a techno-skepticism, but perhaps if he’s lurking around this thread he’ll see it (or anyone else who may find it of interest).

    The thought crossed my mind the other day that the Biblical Genesis narrative seems to be a very fitting and accurate description of humanity’s shift from a hunter gatherer existence to that of a civilized, agriculturally based society.

    Adam and Eve represent man in his natural state, existing in a state of harmony with nature and God. In certain environments with plentiful resources the hunter gatherer life would indeed be a kind of garden of Eden and even modern studies of extent primitive peoples show that they spend very little time doing “work” and have large amount of free recreational time.

    The civilizational drive pushing for ever more, represented by the consuming of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, sets man in a state of opposition and domination to his environment; in a sense usurping the position of God as sovereign of Earth.

    This naturally ejects man from the Garden since having tasted the fruits of ambition he can never return to that comparative state of simplicity and innocence.

    However the rigors of civilization are many and now man must earn his bread by dint of great effort. Interestingly, I remember reading that it seems as though humans were more malnourished during the earliest period of agricultural civilization and skeletal size decreased. Once a critical mass was reached this was reversed, but it does go to show that agriculture really is exponentially harder than just following food sources from place to place (I know I sometimes feel that my few livestock are getting the better end of our transaction!)

    Civilization also greatly increases the scope for human sin. Greed, aquisitiveness, or jealousy can hardly have much scope in a group where everyone has to carry their few goods from place to place. So we see the fruits of these vices in the story of Cain and Abel and the expanding degeneracy of mankind as he spreads and establishes towns, cities, and empires.

    On reflection it seems not the least surprising that ancient peoples would have a passed down ancestral memory of a time before the civilizing force had taken hold of man and that they would remember it with a wistful idea of an ideal state. The “good old days” are hardly a modern notion and if anything the idea of regression from a past ideal has been much more common than the modern cult of progress.

    I just decided to do a web search and unsurprisingly I’m not the only person who has though along similar lines. I know enough to know that no idea I have will ever likely be “original”. However, I’m surprised that it isn’t more common. It seemed rather obvious once it occurred to me.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  104. @Barbarossa

    You see, there are 2 interpretations of this narrative based on whether you see civilization as an evil or not: that of the Original Sin, which (theologians don’t recognize) is the hubristic drive for civilizational and egocentric attainment; and that of humanity’s “coming of age” from a mere animalistic existence to something uniquely intelligent.

    I actually wonder why the first interpretation becomes dominant in Christian thought – perhaps, as a warning against the excesses of civilization.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  105. @songbird

    “Zones of Rap”…I like it!

    Has the idea been floated to the Biden administration yet? If it’s posited as some sort of Bipoc liberation movement it might actually be actionable!

    We may lose Texas, but hey, you have to look to the greater good!

    What about trans and the gender queers though? Perhaps they can have their own island so they can be free from hetero-normative oppression? I’d give up Hawaii for that!

    • Replies: @songbird
  106. @songbird

    I rather like A123’s idea to do a shotgun wedding of all undesirables by calling them”Muslim-SJWs” and then deporting them to Arabia (or so I have supposed). Somehow, I feel like it would be a return to tradition, like the expulsion of the Moors (while now also expelling the witches) or something.

    You get it! It’s never a matter of correctly identifying ideological influences. He only wants to seek out the generic Other from his Trumpist viewpoint, then expel them from his political consciousness, and maybe physically if his type gains power. You want the last part, too, don’t you. All those name-calling of his opponents is for the same end.

    • Agree: songbird, iffen
  107. @A123

    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.

    Thus we can have without irony a photo like your second one; a bunch of white liberals holding signs for Palestinians and BLM. This is a very common pattern. White NPR libs get way more worked up in support of BLM (and certainly most of the financial contributions) than most blacks. Case in point; my local college town had a long running BLM sign holding “demonstration” once a week last year. It was all white chicks from the private university, despite a very large black population at the local public college.

    If white people want to make a lot of noise and accrue perks and political clout for certain racial groups than they will probably not get in the way.

    I believe the common denominator in all cases is white liberals.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  108. @German_reader

    But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    If Ron Unz craved this kind of success, it’s fairly clear he wouldn’t make the choices he has.

  109. songbird says:
    @Barbarossa

    I’d give up Hawaii for that!

    I feel a bit guilty because I’m very sun sensitive, so whereas other people might enjoy going on vacation in such places or retiring to them, I would quite readily give up any claim on tropical islands, just to unlock what I believe to be their massive potential to work as places of exile.

    No need to throw everyone into one basket, when you have islands. You can try segregating people by different factors to increase functionality and for compassion, so that their exile need not be overly harsh. Of course, I don’t think society is ready for some of my ideas, like an island for super-gays or trannies, but I consider it really commonsensical that there should be one for prisoners. We are at the point where such a place need not be like Devil’s Island, and criminals could even be given the choice of going there. Probably, it would save a lot of money, that could be better spent on other things than warehousing people, or trying to reform the type that are natural recidivists.

  110. @Dmitry

    His posts are sincere expression of his political view – which includes anti-tradtional nationalism and Russian imperialism.

    He can be called quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC, was writing about Baltic states as not being included into expansionist RF sphere, while even many/most publicly known typical ethnonationalists (e.g. Prosvirnin, Kholmogorov), to say nothing about not so ethno/race centered imperialists, want to grab it back one way or another.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  111. @Yellowface Anon

    Personally, I feel quite conflicted about the issue.

    Humans are uniquely capable of both the greatest beauty and the most degraded ugliness. Too often we just choose slinking mediocrity.

    I sometimes feel that humans would be happier if we had never progressed (that is a certainty though since one can really only be unhappy if one is aware of alternatives).

    I am quite certain though that the industrial revolution onward was primarily negative. I would personally welcome a massive solar flare, despite the personal inconveniences it would doubtless entail.

    I think that the fact that almost all of the greatest cultural artifacts and treasures were produced prior to industrialization speaks for itself.

    So, I’m not completely against civilization though I can see it’s faults. I am fully against the spirit of our modern age though.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  112. @Barbarossa

    You can eagerly wait for the nuclear WWIII.

    I don’t think we have any future outside of mutual extermination. It is basically the main theme of Revelations – a cosmic final battle between theological-ideological worldviews that terminates the old materialistic world, and then a restoration of the paradise, the mythical. It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious fundation.

    • Agree: Erzberger
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  113. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    If memory serves, the tide of terrifying white free speech on Twitter is currently held back by a chubby Indian woman and her minions. With a woke new brown CEO, perhaps we will now even find ‘Thomm’ hanging around there, should he be able to scrounge up a promotion?

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That’s worth some attention, in my mind.

    Also, in the more general US industry, Warren Buffett is preparing to hand over his vast conglomerate Berkshire Hathaway to one of his two lieutenants, one of which is Indian (the other is a Jew). Though Warren è mobile and has discarded several similar attempts so who knows, but presumably he will have to make up his mind soon.

    • LOL: songbird
  114. @Pericles

    Indians! They are the biggest enemy of the Chinese, in a civilizational sense. They’ve been subverting us since Buddhism.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  115. Yevardian says:
    @Twinkie

    Dude, forget the clothes. What about the cars and the Brent 10! And, of course, the beautiful women!

    Well, I consider myself above this sort of gossip/lifestyle poasting, but in reading about the British royal family, I read a little into the background of the recently passed “Prince of Wales”. It turns out his mother, Alice of Battenberg was once, to me at least, one of the most beautiful women I’ve ever seen.

  116. Mr. Hack says:
    @Barbarossa

    Your very private interpretation of the rise and fall of man’s existence in the garden of Eden is really very innately accurate, and like the ancient heathen Greeks is indeed based on a remembrance of an ideal past. You’re insights that the rise of civilization also gave way to the increase of sin and degeneracy is also quite accurate:

    We know that Adam and Eve were beguiled by the devil and did not want to collaborate with God; they desired to become gods not through humility, obedience, or love; but through their own power, their own willfulness-egotistically and autonomously. That is to say that the essence of the fall is egotism. Thus, by adopting egotism and self-assertion they separated themselves from God, and instead of attaining Theosis, they attained exactly the opposite: spiritual death…We all know the consequences of the fall. Separation from God threw man into carnal, bestial and demonic life. The brilliant creation of God fell seriously ill, almost to death. What had been made “in His image” was darkened. Since the fall, man no longer has the qualifications he needs to proceed to Theosis, as he had before he sinned. In this situation of grave illness, almost lifeless, he can no longer re-orient himself towards God. Thus there is a need for a new root for humanity; a need for a new man, who will be healthy and able to redirect the freedom of man towards God.

    But do not fear, for God the Creator did not leave civilizational man alone at this untenable and dark juncture, but left him with a new salvation, a new vision of his future, reunited with his Creator:

    This new root, the new man, is the God-Man, Jesus Christ, the Son and Logos of God, who incarnates to become the new root, the new beginning, the new leaven of humanity.

    Likewise, your insights about the darkened corner that the human race, including its rebellious nature has run into in its quest for a separate civilizational pull away from the Creator/God is also encapsulated most profoundly in the Biblical story of the Tower of Babel. The foundation and bricks are again starting to come apart and falling to the ground, can you feel this shift and ominous beginning once again? It all leads to a glorious future, however, for those whose faith is real and purified.

    http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis.aspx

    • Troll: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  117. Mr. Hack says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    It will be the greatest self-fulfilling prophecy, since Europe post-Rome chose to build itself on such a religious foundation.

    A foundation, however, that Europe is doing all that it can to distance itself from. This is most evident in the absolute absence of any reference within the European Union’s still unratified constitution of its Christian past. How would you interpret this glaring omission? It seems to indeed be “The stone the builders rejected [that] has become the capstone” (Psalm 118:22).

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  118. Yevardian says:
    @German_reader

    I wouldn’t really bother engaging with A123 on anything involving the Middle-East, Islam, Israel, or perhaps any serious topic in general.

    And yes, I sympathise as someone who retains a strongly negative view on Islam myself. Actually, as a teenager, I had somewhat similar views to A123 (i.e., a Zionist cheerleader, seeing it as ‘a Western bastion against the Islamic hordes’, dismissing any ‘pro-Arab’ views as leftist 3rd-world worship [I wouldn’t even consider reading N.Finkelstein at the time], etc.) although at some point I felt compelled to take a step back and critically re-examine my whole adolescent worldview
    Honestly, I don’t recall what specific item it was exactly, most likely it was simply the mounting pile of information, with the British Embassy Bombing, the USS Liberty, Israel’s incredible hypocrisy in refusing to recognise the Armenian genocide, the Lavon Plan, Israel’s early funding of Hamas.. or simply direct accounts from people like Robert Fisk.

    The thing is, it seems many people, after either discovering or growing up with this information, go the other direction and choose to see Arabs, or even Muslims more generally, purely as righteous victims, or even as political ‘allies’ (George Galloway is a prime example of someone going off the deep end, I suppose Israel Shamir too), which is a whole different brand of insanity.

    I was torn about this for a while, but I think a turning point in reconciling conflicting views in my head was definitely reading Israel Shahak. Once you realise the essential baseness of rabbinical Judaism, as well at it being theologically, far, far closer to Islam than to Christianity, I felt a ‘gordion knot’ moment in many areas.
    The other thing is, even if Israel was founded at least ostensibly as a Western country, it’s become clear over the years, that its society, worldview and culture is becoming increasingly indistinguishable from the Arab shitholes that surround it. The most ironic thing is, this just makes the country more belligerent, inward-looking and supremacist, not less. Anyway, the original, Herzl-inspired zionists that hoped a sovereign state would make the Jews ‘normal’ clearly lost. Gilad Atzmon actually wrote quite eloquently about this, although I don’t really rate his political opinions on anything else.

    Eh, I read a garbage comment from A123, intended to put a sentence or two, and ended up typing out this screed. That’s the Unz review I guess.

  119. AaronB says:
    @Barbarossa

    I don’t always post, but I always lurk 🙂

    I agree with this completely. You are quite correct Barbarossa, and I believe the fact that this spontaneously occurred to you – it did to me, also, only recently in the last few weeks – is a sign, and means more and more of us are, in the depths of our unconscious, coming to certain realizations.

    Here is the inimitable Paul Kingsnorth writing beautifully recently on just this theme –

    Let me tell you a story.

    This story begins in a garden, at the very beginning of all things. All life can be found in this garden: every living being, every bird and animal, every tree and plant. Humans live here too, and so does the creator of all of it, the source of everything, and he is so close that he can be seen and heard and spoken to. Everything walks in the garden together. Everything is in communion. It is a picture of integration.

    At the centre of this garden grows a tree, the fruit of which imparts hidden knowledge. The humans – the last creature to be formed by the creator – will be ready to eat this fruit one day, and when they do they will gain this knowledge and be able to use it wisely for the benefit of themselves and of all other things that live in the garden. But they are not ready yet. The humans are still young, and unlike the rest of creation they are only partially formed. If they ate from the tree now, the consequences would be terrible.

    Do not eat that fruit, the creator tells them. Eat anything else you like, but not that.

    We know the next part of the story because it is still happening to us all the time. Why should you not eat the fruit? says the voice of the tempting serpent, the voice from the undergrowth of our minds. Why should you not have the power that you are worthy of? Why should this creator keep it all for himself? Why should you listen to him? He just wants to keep you down. Eat the fruit. It’s your right. You’re worth it!

    So we eat the fruit, and we see that we are naked and we become ashamed. Our mind is filled with questions, the gears inside it begin to whir and turn and suddenly now here is us and them, here is humanity and nature, here is people and God. A portcullis of words descends between us and the other creatures in the garden, and we can never go home again. We fall into dis-integration and we fall out of the garden forever. Armed angels are set at the gates; even if we find our way back to the garden again we cannot re-enter. The state of questless ease that was our birthright is gone. We chose knowledge over communion; we chose power over humility.

    The Earth is our home now.

    This Earth is a broken version of the garden; of our original integration with creator and creation. On Earth we must toil to break the soil, to plant seeds, to fight off predators. We will sicken and die. Everything is eating everything else. There is war and dominion and misery. There is beauty and love and friendship too, but all of it ends in death. These are the consequences of our pursuit of knowledge and power, but we keep pursuing them because we know no other way out. We keep building towers and cities and forgetting where we came from. Outside of the garden, we are homeless and can never be still. We forget the creator and worship ourselves. All of this happens inside us every day.

    There comes a time when the creator takes pity. After so many centuries of this, after so many years of humans missing the mark, of wandering from the path, of rising and falling and warring and dying, of eating the fruit again and again, the creator stages an intervention. He comes to Earth in human form to show us the way back home. Most people don’t listen, naturally, and we all know how the story ends. God himself walks on Earth and what does humanity do? We torture and kill him.

    But the joke is on us, because it turns out that this was the point all along. The way of this creator is not the way of power but of humility, not of conquest but of sacrifice. When he comes to Earth he comes not as warlord, king or high priest, but as a barefoot artisan in an obscure desert province. He walks with the downtrodden and the rejected, he scorns wealth and power and through his death he conquers death itself, and releases us from our bondage. He gives us a way out; a way back home. But we have to work at it. The path back to the garden can only be found by giving up the vainglory, the search for power and the unearned knowledge which got us exiled in the first place. The path is the path of renunciation, of love and of sacrifice. To get back to the garden, we have to go through the cross.

    Now imagine that a whole culture is built around this story. Imagine that this culture survives for over a thousand years, building layer upon layer of meaning, tradition, innovation and creation, however imperfectly, on these foundations.

    Then imagine that this culture dies, leaving only ruins.

    If you live in the West, you do not have to imagine any of this. You are living among those ruins, and you have been all your life. Many of them are still beautiful – intact cathedrals, Bach concertos – but they are ruins nonetheless. They are the remains of something called ‘Christendom’, a 1500-year civilisation in which this particular sacred story seeped into and formed every aspect of life, bending and changing and transforming everything in this story’s image.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Barbarossa
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  120. @Mr. Hack

    They can be the antithesis of Christian ideals, but they won’t escape it. To escape it you need a totallyv different vocabulary, like a Pagan or Islamic one.

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  121. @Yevardian

    It’s always the right thing to take the middle view – Arabs can be both aggressors & victims depending on their relative position to another regional or global power, and there hasn’t been an Arab monolith, not at the height of Arab Socialism.

  122. Mr. Hack says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Preposterous! If the Truth leaves a waning taste in these new apostles of Paganism and nature worship, no iteration of pantheism will be found to satisfy the human soul. Worshiping the creation instead of the Creator is a fool’s paradise. Islam is losing adherents in Europe to secularism too.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  123. @Mr. Hack

    I would say that liberalism or wokeism is really a highly degenerate form of the Christian ethos. I think this is what Yellowface Anon is getting at. While it is opposed to traditional Christianity and morality it still springs from that tradition.

    The bleeding heart SJW could spring out of no other tradition than that of Christian charity. Liberalism keeps the transcendence of Christianity’s Kingdom of Heaven which is within, but places the realization of that kingdom squarely within the realm of direct government action.

    I’m not really sure that Paganism is any major cultural force at all. I would say certainly not in the US though I can’t speak for Europe.

    Paganism, at least the traditional paganism (if such a generalization can have any meaning) seems to essentially take the world as it is. The current liberal worship of progressiveism seems to have little to do with paganism’s naturalism.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  124. I miss the time not long ago when you & Almost Missouri are debating on fiscal & banking policies, mal. Need to know where the numbers in my bank account are going, so I can decide if I should start taking them out of the system or not.

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  125. @A123

    You’ve almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous “Jews” to their European or other homelands (the Ashkenazi, who constitute the majority in Israel, typically being 40-50% genetically white European, most often Italian).

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  126. @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. I’m familiar with and appreciate the more Orthodox theologies (I grew up Roman Catholic but as a teenager we shifted to the Melkite Church).

    That is a good corollary on the Tower of Babel. I had forgotten about that in regards to my interpretation. I’ve been meaning to re-read Genesis since I had the thought a few days ago to see how it compares.

    Another point I was thinking about on sin. Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself. Therefore, for a child to act a certain way does not bear the same guilt as the same action in an adult who knows better.

    So too, if mankind was in a state of relative pre-civilizational innocence it could be said that there was no sin. As Genesis points out Adam and Eve’s lack of shame concerning nakedness and their bodies, this is paralleled by the lack of shame primitive cultures have even today.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  127. @A123

    Too bad those Muslims are pedophile perverts, not normal well-adjusted people like the Jews who “ritually” suck from a newborn baby’s penis. Sick hypocrite self-worshipping inbreds — and I don’t just mean those Muslims.

  128. @Yellowface Anon

    I agree, that was an epic back and forth.

    I’m feeling the same way on money. I run my own business and I long ago decided to keep cash reserves low in favor of keeping debt minimal and equipment paid for and maintained.

    On a personal level my retirement is my property, durable goods, and children. I have nothing in the stock market and I have no expectation that social security will exist when I’m ready to cash in (since I’m mid 30’s). I’ve felt that the stock market was a house of cards for years and have had no interest in playing that game.

    Right now, I making sure I have everything I need since things are getting more expensive by leaps and bounds. I’m only keeping enough cash on hand to keep expense flow smooth since I’m nervous about where we are headed.

    That is only my observation and practices. How will it fare? I guess we’ll find out.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  129. songbird says:

    Anyone else feel the need to splurge because of inflation?

    Especially, I have this weird desire to buy dozens of things that are \$0.99 or \$1 because I know intuitively that those price points will be eternally gone and the US dollar will never bounce back, but will continue to decline. Things that I do not need or want. Not sure if it is some weird type of nostalgia about my distant youth, or an atavism from a time even before money.

    [MORE]

    Similarly, I feel the urge to buy extremely cheap electronics, even though I could not possibly use them (since I already have such), though so far, I have resisted all these urges.

    I wonder if newer generations will feel quite the same way. Almost certainly they will be radically effected by inflation, but I was thinking about how a lot of payments are electronic nowadays, so there isn’t that almost mystical feeling one has, of not needing to break a big bill, or of not needing to go over the value of a small one.

    BTW, related to above, I have the vague suspicion that switching to decimal currency helped cause inflation. And possibly a similar argument could be made for switching to the Euro, which is a transnational currency, which probably has its own negative effect, but I mean the prices changing from the switch-over.

    I predict that before the last dollar stores up their prices, crowds will rush into them and nearly empty them. Why exactly, I cannot say. Maybe, it is the disease of consumerism. Or maybe it really is something timeless going back to our farmer or herder ancestors, or even before them to the days of hunter-gatherers.

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  130. @Barbarossa

    I’m that conservative-ish grad who actually has a small but tidy sum in my account, more than enough to get ahead of student loan payments. This is HK & not the states…

    Conservative-ish grads are not as rare as the vocal woke students makes out to be, but they’re usually elsewhere online. Feeling extremely awkward to chat with a bunch of boomers in the comment session!

  131. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    My political evolution may not be entirely dissimilar from yours, I also was kind of pro-Israel as a teenager. The first step in evolving away from that position was the run-up to the Iraq war in 2002/03, when I was deeply irritated by the pro-war arguments by Jewish/Zionist authors I read in German media. They struck me as either dishonest or delusional, sometimes also clearly resentment-driven to an absurd degree. I have the same feelings today when reading much of the standard pro-Israel arguments.
    However I also agree with you that Westerners who get overly romantic about Islam or the Palestinians are very, very foolish.

  132. @Pericles

    Conventional nuclear advocates have to grapple with the fact that costs are prohibitive too. The trendlines are not improving.

    At any rate, this discussion ignores the fact that fusion energy has been making huge strides lately, not just in the US but also in China. Much of this discussion is stuck in the past.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
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  133. @Barbarossa

    Jesus is explicit in John 15-22 that understanding and awareness make sin, not necessarily the act itself.

    So sins are morally and/or religiously objectionable ideas, instead of the behaviors these usually manifest in?

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  134. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    Bashibuzuk is Russian.

    I know, but he espoused a sort of pan-Slavic sentiment, with heavy focus on the pre-Christian past (e. g. iirc he seemed interested in the Wends and regarded their Germanization/Christianization as a tragedy), and to some extent included Balts in that as well. It’s not a perspective I’m particularly sympathetic to (nationalists going on and on about some golden age in the remote pre-historic past, before “corruption” set in, always strike me as a bit silly), but the contrast with Karlin’s views was very interesting to see.

    On low IQ, racist, loser message forum “Dvach”, they were posting Karlin’s photos of family

    Didn’t know that, sounds disturbing.

    I’m pretty sure you know more history than all of us.

    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

    That’s also why you were being a bit trolled, when viewing like serious history, claims of Egor Kholmogorov. This is a local Russian kind of entertainment. For academic historians like yourself, should only waste time for argument with other qualified professionals.

    Academic historians also often have a certain agenda, and that’s especially the case for a lot of 20th century history, which is still “hot” and relevant to the self-conception of many people.
    Kholmogorov’s essays with their imperialist mindset were indeed hard to stomach though.

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  135. Dan Hayes says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
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  136. @Yellowface Anon

    Sin is ultimately about culpability. Therefore when my 2 year old hits one of his older sisters it is still a negative thing, but he does not fully understand the implications of the blow.

    If I were to hit my wife it would be a far different matter because I know better and understand the harm it would cause both physical and psychological.

    In both cases the act of striking another is the same, and it is still negative in both cases, but the culpability or “sin” if you will, is far different.

    That is also why sin is harmful to the sinner, because the act of overcoming one’s conscience is a form of spiritual and mental self harm.

  137. @German_reader

    is that a reference to Karlin and his Caucasus ancestry?

    Karlin is referred to as ‘Jewish-Russian’ in Heiner Rindermann’s 2018 magnus opus Cognitive Capitalism. Both of them have personally attended the Intelligence conferences, so it is quite likely they have met. Karlin never discussed his Jewish ancestry when he started his blog, he only talked about having Lak ancestry. It was only after Langdon had “exposed” him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%. It is up to each person to decide if a person who suddenly talks of their ancestry after denying/avoiding it in previous years is trustworthy.

    More generally, I’ve noticed that AK would often dive into the comments to attack anti-Semitic commentators and he would continue these feuds on Twitter.He had a dislike for talking of Jewish influence. For someone supposedly agnostic, it sure struck me as strangely intensive – almost personal. He visits synagogues, Jewish museums and praises Israel. Not very typical for self-identified “Russian nationalists”.

    For me, it doesn’t make any difference if he has 3%, 30% or 100% Jewish ancestry. I mostly come to this blog to comment, not to read what Karlin has to say. His poor bet on China was just the latest example of his mediocre analytical abilities.

    Now, it would be pretty amusing if he was more Jewish than he let on, which appears plausible. That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    Yet there is also a counter-factual to this trolling hypothesis. AK actively supported Trump before it was popular. He has a well-known record of homophobia and has a particular dislike of blacks which is impossible to miss. He had himself photographed with Richard Spencer, campaigning and handing out flyers, which was a spectacular self-own in hindsight. Whether he was trolling or not will be irrelevant for anyone looking to screw him in any Western context, as he surely knows. He may be living in Russia, but he is now engaged in the cryptocurrency biz, which necessitates international contacts. Not a great career move. Just show him with the most famous White supremacist in the US and any mainstream setting would drop him like a hot potato. Given AK’s rants against “wignats”, I doubt he is sympathetic to Richard’s politics today, and unlikely to be happy with him being on photos together.

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

  138. German_reader says:
    @Thulean Friend

    It was only after Langdon had “exposed” him in an article (which AK screenshotted on his Twitter) of having Jewish ancestry that Karlin fessed up

    I remember that totally differently, iirc Karlin mentioned his Jewish ancestry long before that comment by Langdon (there was an entire blog post about his ancestry, years ago). Don’t have time to look for it now, maybe later.
    As for Karlin’s negative stance towards Western antisemites, I don’t find it surprising, many of these people are admirers of Nazi Germany in all its aspects, obviously that won’t be regarded with sympathy by most Russians.

    EDIT: Karlin wrote extensively about his ancestry (including the “bagel” part) way back in 2017:
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-7/

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  139. songbird says:

    It would be justice, if all the characters who dismiss the harmful effects of inflation were switched over to a new currency called the “queer dollar.” Sell their stocks and real estate at fair prices, exchange their wealth in regular dollars on a one-to-one basis, with queer dollars, which will have portraits of eminent homos. Have its monetary policy determined by super gays!

    In addition to harming the consumer and the poor, I expect that inflation causes a lot of economic inefficiencies.

    But what I really hate about it is the degradation. I think that over the course of time, it humiliates people into political apathy.

    Not only do the products change, but also the packaging. People with pick-up trucks find that the slightest drizzle will cause much cardboard packaging to completely dissolve, making the transport of goods into their homes difficult. Not too many decades ago, mashed potatoes used to come in big cans. People in the country would hammer them out and flatten them and use them for shingles, for their outbuildings.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  140. @songbird

    I understand the impulse you are describing but for me it’s not directed at little stuff.

    I just finished up an addition on my house and I have another one planned. I’m buying as much material as I can now for the one next year. I’m getting a new set of batteries for my off-grid solar system and fixing all the little broken tools and equipment that has been languishing.

    Things like the work on my own house has gotten kicked down the line for years now, since I’m always busy with work, but I’m feeling like the time to move on it is now.

    I’m feeling overall that it will harder to do this stuff in the future and I’m trying to set myself up favorably.

    As I said to Yellowface Anon I’m seeing so much activity in my own business and everyone else I talk to who has a business, that I think we are far from alone in our buying urges.

    Maybe this will pass and we will go back to business as usual, I don’t know. I’m feeling like the economic “adults” in the room have no more of a handle on things than we do, so it doesn’t inspire confidence.

    • Thanks: songbird
  141. @Pericles

    In the larger scheme of things, Google, Microsoft, Twitter and IBM (I think) are now run by Indian CEOs. That’s worth some attention, in my mind.

    Add Adobe and VMware into the mix with Indian CEOs. My conspiracy theory on this topic is that this is partly intentional on behalf of US tech titans. India’s domestic market is the Last Great Frontier and there has been an internal debate in India whether they should ‘go Chinese’, i.e. ban foreign IT firms and build up domestic champions.

    Given the weakness of India, this has largely been dropped but instead the government has tilted the playingfield in other very notable ways to benefit homegrown capitalists, notably the Reliance/JIO conglomerate run by Mukesh Ambani. In addition, India has introduced very discriminatory data laws which add costs to foreign firms.

    China’s aggression against India was manna from heaven, as it forced India to give up its traditional posture at the LOC in favour of LAC – which Pakistan promptly took advantage of by sending in various terrorists and suicide bombers. This meant that India felt too vulnerable to take on both at the same time, and thus became far more pliable to US pressure, since the US is the most important partner that India has now (Russia still sells plenty of arms, but cannot match the US diplomatic and economic heft).

    Now, given these nativist trends in India, why wouldn’t it be a good idea to have an Indian face on these US firms as they clobber and destroy their Indian competition? Remember, these CEOs are mercenaries. They are not founder-CEOs like Zuckerberg or Musk. The real power lies with the shareholders and as a shareholder in some of these tech firms, I approve of this Sepoy strategy, whether it is intentional or not.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
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  142. @Dan Hayes

    Will the old dictum still hold that controlled fusion is always still a decade ahead?

    That was my initial reaction too. The largest fusion project is in France, called ITER, which uses legacy ‘tokamak’ technology. This technology was initially pioneered by the Soviets way back during the Cold War.

    Not surprisingly, ITER has been notoriously overrunning their budget and timetable. What is new is that this old Tokamak technology has been ditched. Helion energy uses a completely different approach, with the founder likening it to regenerative braking on an EV. The Chinese are not far behind, using lasers instead.

    This is the major change. Fusion is no longer condemned to the failed Tokamak method and the improvements in recent years have been very rapid due to a multitude of problems. So far, net energy surplus has not yet been attained but Helion in particular are moving very close to balanced output, far faster than ITER or any other old approach. It’s too early to say it’s a solved issue, but it would be misleading to think it’s similar to the past. The advancements through multiple methods are too frequent and happening in too many places.

    Reminds me of the huge development in quantum computing in recent years. Many old foxes who had been burned were initially skeptical until the improvements could no longer be ignored. Similar dynamic here.

    • Thanks: Dan Hayes
  143. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    Kholmogorov

    It’s a kind of astroturfed mini-celebrity who is self-presenting as “nationalist”, but writes pro-government, imperialist (i.e. especially anti-Ukraine) comments.

    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.

    Kholmogorov does read history books, and presents as a cultured person, but he doesn’t have academic qualification (outside highschool I guess). So it’s not like you should argue with him as if with a historian. It’s a publicist.

    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he’s probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.

    How does all this relate to our modest forum?

    Just I guess that Bashibuzuk was smoking cannabis, and became paranoid when he saw that Karlin was friendly with Kholmogorov.

    If Karlin knows Kholmogorov, you can see then there are only a few degrees of separation from the government. Although this is paranoia as people like Kholmogorov are a terminal in the relation of the government to the public. (I’m not saying Karlin has any connection to the government at all, but rather that this might be why Bashibuzuk acted paranoid and blanked his archive).

    Didn’t know that, sounds disturbing.

    Yes maybe some stalkers, and presenting as “Russian nationalist”, means that you engage with a demographic who is not exactly the most kindly people and mentally balanced.

    Isn’t that they say about being an internet celebrity? You can have problems of real celebrities (stalkers, etc), but without the benefits (wealth, glamor).

    That said he writes for a small cognoscenti and he is a not a beautiful woman, so I doubt he will attract any dangerous stalkers.

    Dvach is like Russian 4chan, so you expect weird people to post on there.

    Not about Russia/Eastern Europe, I have learned quite a bit from this comment section in this regard (also have huge gaps about other issues).

    Although (with liar paradox included) what you read in internet is mostly “trash information”.

    There are ways historians to receive a kind of first-person information in the internet though, through social media and so on.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  144. Dmitry says:
    @sudden death

    quite moderate imperialist in such context though, IIRC,

    Sure his views are not extreme in imperialism, by the discourse which becomes socially acceptable in Russian media itself.

    The government views imperialism as a “safe topic” in Russian discourse (as it doesn’t undermine the government, unlike nationalism which is viewed as threat), although the word “imperialism” is not popular to use in any positive sense in Russian (since Lenin).

    So there is peer pressure of extreme imperialism in the mainstream culture in Russian politics and television, and then the government policies itself seem to be only very moderate or moderate imperialism. This is kind of Surkov way to manage the political discussion in Russia. You throw out a spectrum of views, and then position yourself as the moderate one in the center.

  145. @German_reader

    Yeah, I agree with most of that. I still don’t think it really changes my view of Karlin as a mixed-race person with some Jewish ancestry who got swept up in the 2015-16 meme wars and has since tried to course correct. I don’t think Karlin is faking his anti-black racism or homophobia to ingratiate himself as part of a years-long trolling campaign. Dmitry’s theories are very esoteric, which is why I want them to be true, but reality tends to be more mundane.

  146. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    ancestry that Karlin fessed up, though he rushed to lowball it at 3%.

    Isn’t that about the number that many DNA companies try to gaslight Central Europeans into believing that they have? Wouldn’t it be larger for Eastern Europeans?

    (Though, to be sure, I take Mr. Karlin at his word)

  147. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Saying that Karlin is Jewish, is one of the most implausible conspiracy theories.

    Notice Karlin doesn’t know anything at all about Jewish culture, Jewish influence in Russia, Israel, etc – because the views he writes on these topics.

    Either he is completely lying by pretending to know nothing about Jews (in which case he is going too far lol with false naivety). Or he is completely clueless about Jews in Russia.

    For example, he doesn’t know Potupchik is Jewish.

    This is the lieutenant of Surkov, who is the commander of the Kremlinbots, who is writes all the time about being Jewish, posts about what is reading in the Torah and it’s connection to Russian patriotism.

    And her appearance is.
    Karlin replied to me

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/guardian-publishes-neoliberalism-txt-manifesto/#comment-2792122

    So it’s not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I mean average person in Russia, would guess Potupchik is Jewish from her appearance.

    Without her strange fashions

    Although this Russian imperialist view to Israel, is a slightly bizarre and threatening to Israel.

    That would be a troll in of itself on his commentators, but perhaps not in the way Dmitry had imagined.

    I’m not saying that Karlin is trolling as a somekind of conspiracy.

    He presents his views in an honest and open way. But just they are imperialist views, and not nationalist. And he is trolling nationalists on that category difference. And the trolling works, because Russia’s government itself seems it can be trying to re-categorize nationalism in this way, after crushing using nationalism the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    For example, he writes a lot about fertility rates in Russia.

    Fertility rates in Russia is a popular topic for nationalists, because within Russia the non-Russians have significantly higher fertility rates than the Russians. And Russian men have even slightly lower fertility rates (although fertility rates only look at women) than Russian women, Russian women with Muslim-origin nationality husbands, will be one of the high fertility groups in Russia.

    But Karlin is not interested in this topic of fertility rates between nationalities in Russia, which so scary for nationalists. Rather, he is interested in fertility rates difference between different countries (homogenizes the data for individual nationalities within Russia).

    This is because fertility rates difference between different countries, could be relevant for imperialism topics. While fertility rates difference within Russia, is only something relevant for nationalists.

  148. German_reader says:
    @Dmitry

    This is an attempt by the government to rebrand nationalism, as a pro-government, imperialism.


    He is promoted a lot in Tsargrad TV (this is a kind of pro-government, pro-church, quite literary media), which is presented as a project of Malofeev.

    Malofeev is presented as a wealthy businessman, but there is not much evidence of any business. So he’s probably a front cover for the government intelligence agency or working as intermediary for a powerful oligarch.

    Thanks, this background information on Kholmogorov is very interesting. I can’t judge the details, but your general exposition of the relationship between nationalism and imperialism in Russia makes a lot of sense.
    In any case, you should get a job at some intelligence agency with your extraordinary pattern recognition skills which you’ve demonstrated on this forum 🙂

  149. I don’t follow the antics of the Chinese-US arms race up close, yet when I check in on the occasional progress update, China has invariably made significant strides. Should we worry? I continue to believe a serious military conflict is a low probability event. I am more interested in the technological improvements, as they may say something about China’s industrial capabilities, than I am in armchair-general scenarios.

    RUSI, one of the most prestigious think-tanks in the UK had an event on just this topic a few months ago.

    Steve Hsu took notes:

    1. J10 and J20 are world class fighters, largely indigenously designed. J16 is best flanker variant in the world today.

    2. PLAAF missiles (PL12, PL15, cruise missiles, etc.): some argue that PL12 and PL15 are among the best AAM in the world right now. Note use of AESA seeker in individual missiles while IIRC Russians have not incorporated AESA radar in their fighters yet.

    3. WS10 and WS15 engines nearly mature — WS10 now deployed in single engine J10.

    4. Note remarks about S400 sales to PRC and relatively small gap between PRC SAMs / air defense and Russian systems.

    5. Individual fighter characteristics are becoming less important compared to missile and sensor technology. For example, the low cost JF-17 (co-developed by PRC and Pakistan) is respectable (roughly comparable to early F-16 capabilities) as a plane, but with its block 3 sensor package and PL-12/15 missiles is competitive with much more expensive generation 4+ fighters. The fighter (eventually, drone or UCAV) becomes just a sensor and missile platform…

    The progress is astounding but especially impressive is how mature their engines are. Many engines can last 40-50 years with steady upgrades. This also makes the recent discord over Comac’s widebody jet fairly predictable.

  150. @Dmitry

    As noted, whether Karlin is 3% or 30% or 100% Jewish is sort of irrelevant to my conclusions. It doesn’t really change my view of him or his opinions. I don’t think he’s faking his anti-black racism or his homophobia. He has spent too much time in far-right environments in both in Russia, abroad and online for it to just be a joke or a big troll. That’s where I disagree with you.

    Now, you may think him having such opinions is weird given his ethnic background. But is not unheard of for mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I’ve both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s (Jackie Arklöf). Not saying AK is on that level, just using an extreme example to drive home the point.

    Was it Guillaume Durocher who noted that 2nd-gen mixed whites are highly over-represented among the far-right in France? He often spoke of how many Portuguese-French he had met in those groups. The psychological reasons for this are interesting and complex, even in an all-white milieu. When people have no clear belonging early in life, they become more susceptible for extreme ideas. Karlin is now at great pains to distance himself from rightoids, with mixed success at convincing his readers, which is amusing to me. Perhaps his run-ins with the anti-vaxxtards/loons during the debates over vaccines and masks scarred him?

    I think you’re getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it’s a sidenote of marginal interest. Doesn’t really change my view, since it isn’t conditional for any other conclusion.

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  151. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    …after crushing nationalism using the power of the FSB (which is not necessarily a bad thing, as violent nationalists included criminal hooligans who were beating and sometimes even killing innocent people for their nationality).

    The problem here is that the violent “kitty murderers” (and real criminals) and other “flashy” types (such as Tesak, whom Bashi liked and the circumstances of whose death he very rightfully questioned) are only the visible part. There are others out there who are not violent but who are now “sitting”. They may have said something against Caucasians or what not, or changing the constitutional order (which understandably could be viewed as problematic) or the ruling class, but the truth is that some of them are genuine political prisoners. And they were removed because, while they are quite marginal, they still represent a sliver on the political spectrum which is constant. In a free society they would form into a permanent political party which would be taking away votes from the “systemic” parties and because of their staunch principles they’d be impossible to control by the Kremlin.

    Why should have someone like Dima Dyomushkin been dragged through the penitentiary system for years, his health crushed and best years taken? Sitting in the same cell, btw, where Navalny is currently sitting. It’s because he was political competition, and especially competition in the niche that the Kremlin doesn’t want to see filled or to exist in the first place (European oriented, ethnocentric, “national bourgeoisie” party, for the lack of a better term).

    Of course, you’re also right that Russia didn’t start in the 19th century as some ethnostate, Russia started hundreds of years ago and formed into having 200 nationalities in one state. So it’s a big job to keep everyone happy and included. From that perspective there is not much space for pro-European nationalists in Russia. But then they end up missing out on some real nationalist policies (like reigning in ethnic mafias, prioritizing higher social standards for the Slavic population, developing of genuine narodovlastie, protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc). Also, trying to appease everyone doesn’t keep certain more capable groups from having outsized influence.

    It might also be true that some of the nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin’s introduction of the term “historical Russia” (roughly overlaps both the Tsarist Empire and the USSR). My hunch is also that the kind of fellows we used to see in the РНЕ way back, with the new generation now grown up and come of age, have now simply migrated to the spetsnaz (they’re not even hiding it anymore and openly wear the Kolovrat and Old Slav runic patches).

    By the way, the great Russian-Chechen patriot Surkov just came out with another pseudo-philosophical opus on Russia’s historical mission. Didn’t yet have time to read it but the Ukrainians were parsing it last week.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  152. Mikel says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Perhaps the truth is less glamorous: a mixed-race Jewish kid with genuine streaks of (anti-black) racism and homophobia got swept up in the 2015-16 Trump meme wars, went too far and then did damage control and cut his losses to the best ability he could.

    I’m probably missing a great chance to stay away from this silly debate but sorry, you’ve unloaded a lot of rubbish in that sentence.

    The obvious truth is indeed very mundane: Karlin is only ~3% Jewish, as proven by the screenshot he posted of his ancestry composition, which is much more than you’ve ever done to dispel the doubts about your own origins (whose 23andme profile do you think he stole?), in 2015-16 he got encouraged by Trump’s rhetoric (like all right-wing, HBD-conscious, Russians and pro-Russians of the world) and later on, when Trump proved to be a rather incompetent buffoon, changed his mind as did countless other people who only cared about his actual actions rather than his words and tweets.

    Whatever other mysteries there may be about AK, you’ve chosen to focus on the most improbable ones.

  153. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    They are probably more fashionable than 99% of Western European hipsters.

    Possibly yes, if you look at the average. There’s a strata in Moscow that has always been very stylish. Not just clothing but also demeanor, speech. Obviously, as in any big city. In the West, it kind of depends on the person’s individual style and effort, if you put in the work, you can be very original.

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing. As in, normal modern clothing with just a little bit extra flare. Why I bring up this trivial matter is because some rather interesting original Russian clothing brands have come online recently. There are a few that merge into the Western style but retain some Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia. Especially if they had the ability to scale & create broader marketing (they are typically boutique). Another one that comes to mind is Gosha Rubchinskiy, a contemporary Russian designer who has tried to redefine and recapture the post-Soviet aesthetic. He doesn’t yet cross into avant garde but he’s definitely edgy and borderline provocative. This is an interesting question – to move away from that aesthetic entirely or to play with it. Especially since after 30 years one can finally have the comfort / privilege of distance when viewing it.

    Here is his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol). It would most likely qualify as entartete Kunst, but it’s quite well done (and some pieces actually look quite wearable), you can see all the different post-Soviet Russian masculinities on display there (the soccer player, gopnik, the “militsioner”, nerd, etc, even the classic stylized РНЕ uniform, very provocative, he should be careful not to trivialize it, bu there is definitely a nationalist twist in his fashion):

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  154. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian

    At least in part my zeal is a direct counter to the bizarre posters here that insist on blaming Jews for everything. Several posters use the term GloboHomo as a term to smear Jews. IslamoGloboHomo is a direct push back against them.

    If you can get the anti-Semites to behave more rationally, I could probably be convinced to moderate my stance on some points. I certainly would avoid terms like IslamoGloboHomo.
    _______

    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world. Three quick questions:

    -Q1- Who is the only hijab wearing Muslim in the U.S. House?
    -A1- Ilhan Omar

    -Q2- Who is a member of “The Squad”? The most SJW element of the U.S. political scene.
    -A2- Ilhan Omar

    -Q3- Can you name a U.S. national (or state) office, Muslim elected official that is *not* an advocate of SJW Globalism?
    -A3- There are none

    Ilhan Omar is not an unusual case. She is simply a bit more visible than other office holders. There is 100% Islamic conformity to SJW Globalist values with absolutely no outliers. This is a strong indicator that the attachment is fundamental, not incidental.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  155. Not Raul says:
    @songbird

    Of course, I miss Karlin here, but I think he wanted to move on. I wish he could take a break by traveling the world visiting and reviewing nuclear tourist sites, or talking with engineers. But I don’t know if others would enjoy that.

    I would enjoy that.

  156. @AaronB

    Apparently Ghislaine Maxwell attorney’s opening statement drew upon the analogy of Adam-Eve-Eden. He said it wasn’t Eve’s fault just like Ghislaine is not guilty either.

    Also he compared Jeffrey Epstein to James Bond so his defense is going to be creative if it isn’t effective. I found it pretty damn weird.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/epstein-james-bond-ghislaine-maxwell-trial-b1966427.html

    Who gets to be Captain Kirk? I see on the front page that Fauci is Darth Vader.

    • LOL: AaronB, Barbarossa
  157. Mikel says:
    @German_reader

    It’s unfortunate that the quality of content on UR has declined so much over the years, because the site design and the commenting system are absolutely brilliant.

    Given that RU himself subscribes to a wide array of conspiracy theses, promotes at the top of his website the Truth Jihadist’s pieces on illuminati or moon landing trutherism and hosts a number of Jew-obssesed authors, the commenters attracted to the site in general are what you would expect. No amount of design or commenting system can compensate for that.

    To make matters worse, Fred Reed has also left the site.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @showmethereal
  158. A123 says: • Website
    @RadicalCenter

    You’ve almost got it. The solution for Palestine is returning non-indigenous “Jews”

    ROTFLMAO

    Here is an easy test. What is the number of Muslims in Palestine at the following dates:

    — 400 BC?
    — 200 BC?
    — 0 BC/AD?
    — 200 AD?
    — 400 AD?

    The correct answer is NONE. Non indigenous Islam was forced on Palestine by Jihadist Settlers ~600 AD. The Non-native, invasive Muslim belief system established colonies. Infidel (Jewish & Christian) land has bern occupied for 1,400 years.

    Muslim Colonies are the Problem.
        Muslim Decolonization is the Answer

    ____

    The only two indigenous faiths (Judaism and Christianity) will have to reach a long term arrangement for their presence in Palestine. However, without the violent provocation of Colonial Jihadists, there is plenty of opportunity to meet everyone’s needs. Christians are mostly interested in New Testament sites that have little interest to Jews.

    PEACE 😇

  159. @Mikel

    What! Fred Reed is gone too!
    Dang, it’s getting grim.

    The only parts of this site I really frequent at all at this point are these AK open threads and scanning what click-bait Sailer has on offer.

    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors…

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  160. German_reader says:

    Omicron variant might be a good thing (though still too early to tell):

    [MORE]

    Of course in fucking Germany they’re now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @LatW
  161. Coconuts says:
    @Barbarossa

    Blacks and Muslims have a parasitic relationship to white liberalism. They take advantage of the sensibilities of white liberals while caring not two figs for white liberal principles.

    I’m interested to see what happens with this Muslim/Liberal alliance if strands of Catholic Integralism become higher profile in US politics. Liberals and secular progressives are likely to respond with hostility (maybe horror?) to Integralism, especially the more robust expressions of it. OTOH similar or even more powerful Islamic beliefs seems to have an semi-sacred status with the Woke at the moment.

    This must be most obvious in France where the Left spent decades attacking and breaking down the traditional Catholic social order, but is now supportive of Islam.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  162. @German_reader

    Well…Omicron is a pretty scary sounding name, so you have that. I mean, it could be a Tom Clancy title.

    Tom Clancy’s- “The Omicron Strain”

    I think that basically justifies anything that governments may want to do.

    They sure are getting a lot of mileage out of that Greek alphabet, aren’t they?

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @sudden death
  163. Coconuts says:
    @A123

    That being said, I genuinely do not understand why no one can grasp the convergence of SJW and Islam in the Western world.

    Everyone keeps writing that they have an alliance at the moment but that this alliance is something like the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939-41.

    You just need to think about memes like ‘Islam is right about women’ and why this is a way of trolling progressives.

    • Replies: @A123
  164. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    I’m vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history than a regime based on wokeness, which in some elements could be traced back to at least the 19th century and take up figures like Nat Turner and John Brown as its heroes for a new national mythology. I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US, when it’s failed even in countries like Spain and Portugal, where it had deep roots in the national culture.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Coconuts
    , @LatW
  165. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    Of course in Germany they’re now going full authoritarian and want to enact mandatory vaccination for everybody every six months.

    Not for those just transiting through Frankfurt, I hope.

    What are the long term consequences for one’s immunity from getting boosted every six months?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  166. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    In nationalism, you really want people to maintain their traditional tribes, and even these imperialist views like “Ukrainians don’t exist” is pretty opposite to what you would want if you want to keep an unmixed and nationalistic core population.

    It is a useful political concept because it can contain within itself different kinds of ideological baggage; e.g. the French Revolutionaries started to use the term to refer to the idea of loyalty to the new French Republic instead of the king, and it had a kind of emancipatory and universalist Enlightenment content.

    Later on different brands of European nationalism retained some of this progressive flavour, in theory at least. The Portuguese New State nationalism may qualify as an antecedent of the AK brand of Russian nationalism; here the colonising mission was considered integral to Portuguese national identity and the colonies ended up becoming provinces of a ‘multi-continental unitary nationalist republic’.

    Within this type of nationalism political parties were also illegal, because they created factions and divisions within the nation. This was pretty useful for the executive branch of government, which alone was responsible for determining the content and scope of the national interest.

  167. AP says:
    @German_reader

    I’m vaguely aware of some of those Catholic integralists in the US (Adrian Vermeule seems to be the most notable one iirc), but is there any reason to believe they will ever amount to more than silly LARPing? A Catholic state in the US would arguably be more of a break with all of US history

    True, but the USA does have a long tradition of religious “fanatics” setting up their would-be utopias in their piece of the country. The Catholics could follow the Mormons, Hasids and Amish.
    An attempt in Florida:

    https://www.wired.com/2014/04/rawfile-0404-ave-maria/

    • Replies: @German_reader
  168. German_reader says:
    @LatW

    What are the long term consequences for one’s immunity from getting boosted every six months?

    I don’t think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect). People are passing around this on the net:
    https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712
    I have no way of evaluating it, and there definitely needs to be more research. I’m also definitely not a dogmatic anti-vaxxer, in fact have been already vaccinated twice with Biontech (no ill effects), and was inclined anyway to do so again next year. But this “mandatory vaccination” stuff the entire German establishment is now converging on, with almost no debate and in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.

    • Replies: @LatW
  169. German_reader says:
    @AP

    But if I understand correctly, the Integralists like Vermeule don’t want just to create a kind of separate society run according to Catholic norms, they would like to take over the entire state (e. g. Vermeule is apparently on record stating that he would make preferences for Catholics the overriding factor in the immigration system). I don’t see how such a programme could ever be achieved, it sounds completely absurd to me, and I doubt even most American Catholics would support it.

    • Replies: @AP
  170. AP says:
    @German_reader

    I’m not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.

    Extremely small chance of this ever happening, but slightly higher than 0%. More likely would be the takeover of some counties, as Mormon fundamentalists had done.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  171. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    AFAIK there are different brands of it because the content is vague, Sohrab Ahmari is a more mainstream version than the Vermeule guy, who I have heard is close to the ‘Catholic Sharia’ wing. I don’t think they have much chance of doing a lot themselves, they would be more like part of a broader post-liberal right wing. I think you don’t need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, ‘why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?’

    Integralism with a secular veneer did okay in Portugal, the New State lasted 41 years with the same prime minister for 35 of them, and he was still rated as the greatest Portuguese figure of the 20th century in a national televised poll they did in the 2000s. The authoritarian regime was brought down by strong liberal democratic and secularising trends in Europe and the US, whereas imo Wokeness is a tendency in the opposite direction, more like a contemporary version of the sort of thing Integralism arose in opposition to in the early 20th C. As long as Wokeness is around, some sort of Integralist perspective may have a chance to emerge.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  172. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    I find it hard to imagine that Integralism can ever achieve much traction in the US

    Why not try? If it works, it works, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. There’s no harm in trying. If they gave up contraception, they could slowly build a few towns.

    The only thing is that they probably wouldn’t be mostly of European origin.

  173. @Barbarossa

    Should have been named straight out Necronomicon strain, scares and justifies anything even better, but guess Omicron is close enough sounding too 🙂

  174. LatW says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t think anybody knows.
    There seem to be real issues with inflammatory reactions from the mRNA vaccines (the myocarditis seen in some younger men is definitely confirmed as a potential side effect).

    Even for those who are not anti-vaxx but just mildly skeptical and who have already taken the initial shots, this presents real problems (even without the hysteria which takes away from the quality of life and can cause anxiety in some people). If you’re middle age you have to choose whether to take these boosters and potentially compromise long term health (let’s say, if you’re looking towards living the next 30-40 years in decent health, then these booster shots could be a factor for your immunity). And if you have a son, then it’s even more problematic, because your son’s health and safety is even more important than your own long term health.

    …in a climate of hysteria, is really scary, unfortunately confirms the worst stereotypes about the unhinged and authoritarian character of Germany once again.

    Your nation is not worse than others that way these days. There are nutty enforcers in the Baltic States, too, and of course in Russia. Recently there was a rather big brawl on public transport somewhere in Siberia because people were being tossed out of busses for not being vaxxed. So it’s quite a heavy disruption of normalcy. Poor Russia’s still having bad numbers even with all the enforcers. And the anti-vaxx commies have nicknamed the mayor of Moscow “SS Sobyanin” and endearingly call him Gauleiter. LOL

    The one aspect that might be negative for Germany, though, is that there is now a “climate hysteria” from the Greens (it seems that’s all they talk about) so you would have an Omicron hysteria on top of the climate hysteria. I trust in the pragmatism and the timeless rationality of your people, but it is a lot to put up with.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  175. Not Raul says:
    @Dmitry

    So it’s not just that Karlin not Jewish. But he also must know less about Jews in Russia (or even how their faces look like lol), than an average non-Jewish Russian netizen.

    I get the sense that AK doesn’t live in the yuppie part of town like most English-speaking analysts in Moscow.

    I didn’t know any Jews growing up until I was a teenager. There was only one school in my town at that level at that time. Before then, I went to a school in my pleb neighborhood. I don’t remember seeing any Jews in my pleb neighborhood.

    What I saw as a teenager was that, while they were richer and more arrogant, they weren’t any smarter than us plebs.

  176. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    I think you don’t need that many of them to start raising questions for the pro-Islam progressives, ‘why is this bad when Integralists say it but good when Muslims teach more or less the same thing?’

    I don’t know, I mean the “woke” Muslims in US politics like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar don’t really advocate for an Islamic system in the US, as far as I can tell, and they’ve adopted all the liberal pieties about LGBTQ+ issues, feminism etc. So at least their version of Islam seems to be fully compatible with wokeness, it’s just seen as a matter of personal religious belief, which doesn’t necessarily impinge on one’s ideas about the constitutional order or lead to bigotry against homosexuals and other favored groups. Of course there are certainly many Muslims who have rather different ideas (we once had a Pakistani-American commenter here who was absolutely convinced most Americans would eventually convert to Islam, and then an Islamic order would be created in the US; he also was in favour of anti-blasphemy laws like in Pakistan, with corporal punishments like public whippings). But American liberals probably feel they can just ignore such sentiments, in the belief that most US Muslims will become like Ilhan Omar, that is assimilated into wokeness.
    As for Vermeule, I’m not sure I’ve characterized him correctly at all. This is his article from last year, which got a fairly hostile reception
    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/common-good-constitutionalism/609037/
    but sounds rather more complex than just “Catholic theocracy”. Bit difficult to evaluate of course what such abstract ideas about the interpretation of the constitution would mean in practice.

  177. Not Raul says:
    @AP

    I’m not familiar with Vermeule but presumably if lots of traditional Catholics chose to move to a state with a small population, such as New Hampshire or one of the Dakotas they could, if not take it over, than become extremely influential.

    North Dakota might be an ideal choice.

    The population is small, the cost of living is lower than around major urban areas, a lot of white collar work is remote, there’s plenty of work for blue collar folks, and it might work culturally.

    There could be a mini-tech-hub around the University of Mary around Bismarck. Perhaps some integralist thought leaders could be lured there.

    • Replies: @AP
  178. Yevardian says:
    @Barbarossa

    Fred Reed was always pretty crap, aside from some occasionally interesting personal stories. I think he gained the attentions of our benevolent overlord mainly as someone that obviously couldn’t stand blacks, but had nothing but glowing praise for Hispanic immigration into the US.

    Also, if you hadn’t read already, it seems Fred Reed left in a fit of pique after Unz rubbished in a private email his typically shallow article ridiculing anyone who questions the official story on the 9/11 Attacks.
    It seems that like Linh Dinh, he’s one of those cantankerous personalities that loves to dish it out, but can’t any heat themselves. At least I have to give Karlin credit where it’s due here, “whilst I get called a spiteful mongrel on my own blog”.

    I hang on in hopes of promising new authors…

    Well, with the whole blogosphere practically dead, and everyone who retains a substantial following either on substack or tw*tter, it does seem very slim pickings. I would read Thorffinsson’s blog if he had time for it, lol.
    There was also the commenter ‘Glossy’ who left years ago (that thread where Karlin was praising Solzhenytsin and mocking Russia’s WWII celebrations, and got dogpiled by about half the Russian commentariat here at the time) I really liked his blog, but he scarcely wrote about politics and seems to have given up writing to waste his time of twitter.

    For the moment, if I was Unz, I’d start featuring/highlighting more old forgotten books or interesting articles from archived journals, available here on the archiv. There’s a vast amount of material there but it’s somewhat tucked away, people don’t know what to look for, and it seems almost nobody here uses it much.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Svidomyatheart
  179. AP says:
    @Not Raul

    North Dakota has only 760,000 people. If 400,000 Catholic Traditionalists ( a small percentage of America’s 70 million total Catholics) moved there, combined with the “native” Catholics (currently 26% of the population) the state would become for Catholics what Utah is for Mormons.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  180. @LatW

    From the study German_Reader linked, “11% 5 yr ACS risk to 25% 5 yr ACS risk” is quite significant. It might still sound moderate, but this easily outsizes any benefit COVID mRNA vaccines have in the face of ever-mutating variants. I wonder if this applies to non-mRNA ones like Sputnik V & Sinovax, or if this is a bug in the mRNA tech.

    At least they’ve finally realized developing cures is the more efficient approach, even if alternative drugs’ names e.g. hydroxychloroquine haven’t been cleared, to protect the profits from new drugs.

    Anyway, if they’re going the universal vaccination route, they need to ditch the vaccine passport – because who else will still be unvaccinated after that, but those who’ve made up their minds to live off-grid? At the very least, simply add records in the healthcare/vaccination system and go back to normal, without the gatekeeping.

  181. @German_reader

    That’s the goal of woke Muslims, eating the face of Islam, and that will drive the sharp drop in Muslim birth rates in the coming decades – but as always, much of the Muslim population around the world have been breeders for a longer time than the Christian population in the West, and any loss is compensated by their continued higher fertility.

  182. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    faking his anti-black racism

    Yes I remember he has a dislike of black people, which is not really consistent because in Russia he is more like in the position of black person in the USA. (Caucasian people kind of the local equivalent of African Americans).

    But probably it’s related to the believe in the “national IQ tables published in Unz”. If you believed that, and you wanted to “increase IQ” by blocking African immigrants.

    He idealizes Chinese people for the same reason. (Nationalism in Russia is more like “Eurocentric white nationalist” movement – i.e. they don’t idealize Chinese).

    On the other hand, for Russian imperialist, there is nothing bad with China at the moment (China is friendly). And for Russian imperialist that believes in “national IQ claims”, then China can be an example to follow.

    mixed-race people to take up far-right politics. I’ve both seen and read of plenty of such examples. One of the most famous neo-Nazis in Sweden was half-black in the 1990s

    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of ” status anxiety of the middle class”. So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don’t think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it’s likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.

    He also writes about how he like pigs and we shouldn’t eat them, because they are more intelligent than other animals. So all his system is logically consistent and honest there. You don’t need to speculate, even if you disagree.

    getting stuck at whether or how Jewish he is, whereas for me it’s a sidenote of marginal interest.

    Because Jews (and more people with Jewish roots) are very influential in Russia (especially in the upper class), and this influential aspect, is another topic nationalists (in Russia) are angry about. Although of course, it’s of course less of important topic for nationalists than the Muslims, Caucasians, Central Asians, etc.

    So stereotypically nationalists was spamming “of course Putin is a Jew”. And then another nationalist will be writing “Putin is speaking like this, because he was educated in a Yeshiva and is working part-time as a rabbi in two synagogues”. Someone else will say “of course, all politicians in Russia have worked in the synagogue for at least three years before they are eligible, so you can’t say Putin has a specially Jewish way of speaking”.

    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin’s blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.

    But that is fine and consistent for Karlin’s political stream, which is Russian imperialism, who likes Putin and even Margarita Simonyan. Jews (like some hundred of other nationalities) are part of the multinational tapestry in Russia, and just a frequent component of the ruling elite of Russia. Karlin supports the direction the rulers are following for the country, so why should he care.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  183. Ron Unz says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I was pleased to see that this new Open Thread was doing fine and attracting lots of discussion, so I decided to browse through it a little myself, and a few things jumped out at me.

    The recent case of Peng Shuai is another example. She is a tennis star who publicly accused a former member of the Politburo of rape.

    This seems a perfect example of the awesome power of the American MSM to “create reality” from absolutely nothing at all. I found the debunking of the MoA blogger quite convincing:

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/new-york-times-invents-sexual-assault-case-to-blame-china.html

    To the extent that any of you check the material and ultimately agree with my conclusions, perhaps you should do some extrapolation and interpolation to other important matters in which your understanding of the world comes from the Western MSM.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  184. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    MacDonald and some others have even been claiming that Jews really did kidnap and sacrifice Christian children

    I don’t think MacDonald has ever made that claim, at least in anything more than the vaguest and most glancing fashion. And if he did, I’m pretty sure he would have gotten the material from a couple of my own 2018 articles, which discussed the issue in far more substantial fashion:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-adl-in-american-society/

    Meanwhile, I think I’d originally discovered those shocking facts from a couple of Israel Shamir’s columns originally published on Counterpunch around 2007 or 2008.

  185. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    Kremlin doesn’t want to see filled or to exist

    I’m very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me (not so fairly for its ideas, but more its image – it becomes a sieve for picking racist people). Moreover, in my own life, my experience of multinational contexts has always been utopian – although this experience I lived is a bubble (multinationality is not so utopian during the Yugoslav war or Lebanese civil war).

    But while I don’t feel any sympathy for violent hooligans going to prison, the anti-nationalism of the Russian government is also pretty extreme.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples’ nationalities in relation to reporting on crime? https://sozd.duma.gov.ru/bill/21931-8

    I’m also sympathetic to a kind of 19th century nationalism based on the concept of self-determination of people, and where there is in fact movement away from imperialism in this. I.e. multi-state solution for difficult to manage empires.

    But this kind of mutual separatist nationalism is not in the self-interest of the authorities of great empires either, so it’s kind of pointless utopianism to think about it.

    protectionist economic policies, yes, limiting immigration, etc).

    Limiting immigration with selection for Russia, would be an improvement for the country compared to current open borders – whether from nationalist, or non-nationalist citizens’ perspective. But the government has gone in open borders strategy for decades now.

    On the other hand, protectionist economic policy neither seems to be useful from nationalist, or normal non-nationalist citizens’ perspective. The real motive why it is promoted is more simply because it allows you to replace foreign competition and consumer choice, for local elites’ businesses. Even e.g. imported Polish apples (that Poland bans from Russia). were replaced by apples produced by Gennady Timchenko’s owned agriculture. Normal people lose options and pay more, but for the political class it was a “state capture” opportunity.

    nationalist principles have been absorbed by the current elite, note all the pro-Imperial rhetoric recently. Putin’s introduction of the term “historical

    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction. Why do you think Russia is multinational, and Russian elite far more multinational than the Russian public. This is how vast empires (and Russian Empire/Soviet Union/Russian Federation are the world’s largest contiguous empires) have to be managed.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is – what works. Everytime the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.

    Well, historically there were internal immigration borders, which reduced those problems. And today there are open borders.

    If I remember accurate, I saw a lecture, where they said that Surkov said that nationalism is the greatest threat to the integrity of the Russian Federation today. However, in a few decades, it will not be a threat. This is the hope the population will stabilize or homogenize enough to reduce this threat to the authorities. In terms of nationalities like Tatars, it’s very realistic (they are losing any opportunity for national separation, due to their declining demographics – intermarriage, and loss of separate culture).

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    , @Max Demian
  186. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    I’ve written above imo the basic design of the site and its commenting system are brilliant, probably without equal on the net (and the archive of old American magazines Ron Unz has created is certainly also great for people interested in researching American intellectual history).

    Thanks for the very kind words, which I greatly appreciate.

    But I also think that through his choice of contributors and content for the site Ron Unz has pretty much ensured that his site will never have the success and kind of impact on the American mainstream, especially on elites, which he probably craves.

    You certainly may be correct, but I think the trade-offs are more complex than that.

    Obviously, the content promoted by this website is extremely unlikely to have the sort of incremental or marginal impact on the public debate that is the intended goal of virtually all existing opinion journalism. As a consequence, the likely impact is close to zero.

    However, I do believe that there is a small but non-trivial possibility that it may at some point have an enormous impact on the public debate. For example, taken together the elements of my quite explosive American Pravda series have accumulated several million pageviews, and there’s no way of knowing exactly who has been reading those articles or what impact they may have had:

    https://www.unz.com/ebook/our-american-pravda-series-ebook/

    Given that this series constitutes a comprehensive counter-narrative to the established history of the last one hundred years, if even just two or three of the individual items were absorbed and assimilated, the impact would be enormous.

    So one media strategy may be seeking a 20% chance of changing the debate by 0.1%, while another strategy may be seeking a 0.1% chance of changing the debate by 20%.

  187. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    In the diaspora, you have Chinatowns (signs of isolationism) but you don’t have “Indian towns”.

    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure. TBH, does not seem like a valid criticism. Many Chinatowns are fairly small. None of them are fully homogeneous. Are you saying that there are no comparable concentrations of subcons in the West? Or that they aren’t as popular with tourists? Or aren’t old enough to have map names?

    Compared to Saving Private Ryan (20+ years old by now) it’s night and day.

    I only watched the trailer. I’ll allow that it might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda? Well, it was high budget. It had a certain amount of spectacle. But many parts of the film were quite weak. There was basically a media campaign to say it was a good movie, but I’m not sure that I remember anyone who thought that it was a good movie. “Evil German” is one of the most cloying cliches in Hollywood. They tried to pass Vin Diesel off as an Italian! Even without a lot of janky CGI, it is not very realistic in a lot of areas.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  188. @Ron Unz

    As I wrote in my comment, the Western approach to these topics is self-serving and cynical. I wasn’t commenting on the facts. I was commenting on the propaganda power of the US and how China had nothing comparable.

    I don’t see how the material that you provided changed that observation. China’s cultural and media influence is shockingly poor outside of its borders. The very fact that you had to go to an unknown blog to find the real version only reinforces this observation. Ideally, those things should have been easily available to you from official Chinese sources. But they aren’t, and that is precisely the problem.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  189. Thomm says:
    @Pericles

    Heh. I am not a ‘South Asian’. No one with an IQ above 70 thinks I am. Ron Unz admitted that he floated that meme to see if the WN wiggers would believe anything. Sometimes he still pushes it even though he contradicted it before, because he knows his 70-IQ lab rats (like Pericles) can’t keep up.

    Thulean Friend can confirm that I am not a ‘South Asian’ if you can persuade him to spend a few minutes evaluating the last 3 years of my comment history. He has written about South Asia about 30 times as much as I have. Talha also confirmed my demographic identity when he was here.

    Lastly, remember that Pericles has openly and proudly said that he would rather have sex with a white man than with even a pretty mulatta/quatroon woman like Halle Berry, since to him, race loyalty has to trump sexual orientation (and he is baffled as to why the other 97% of whites don’t agree).

    He is desperately (and unsuccessfully) trying to conceal the fact that White Nationalism is now an entirely homosexual ideology. That is why we don’t let these deviants pollute mainstream, heterosexual white society.

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  190. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    You can see in 2015 video, how was clothed the LGBT son of LifeNews owner (this television channel is a kind of Kremlin version of Fox News). You can also recognize some children of a Rusnano

    This first video you posted matches really well with those people I started seeing

    Well backstory in this video, you can notice socialites are being hosted by Roman Abramovich’s girlfriend at Garage art gallery at 1:00. Everyone knows the main motive for this Abramovich interest in modern art, is probably money laundering and financial speculation. And there is event host https://www.instagram.com/edikyakut/ (who probably can get you the best prostitutes for your party)

    But if you recognize those socialites’ faces across Instagram, you can see some of them using parents’ money as a startup capital to add hipster services in Moscow. and develop the vast hipster culture that is now booming there. And Artem Korelev (https://www.instagram.com/artem) I guess is just a celebrity from his own ambition and LGBT charisma.

    These hipsters in the video are founding hipster projects. So I guess they are not all completely useless hipsters, but a kind of entrepreneurial spreaders of culture across the city
    https://www.instagram.com/slavagee/ (who often buys \$10,000 pairs of sneakers)
    https://www.instagram.com/lenaweinstein/ some kinds of tasteful entrepreneur women
    https://www.instagram.com/fechoo/
    https://www.instagram.com/sasha_sofine/
    https://www.instagram.com/mariakakdela/

    But then others in the video looks like unemployed looking hipsters to me. As it’s known in the West as well, hipster can become also just a disguise for playboying
    https://www.instagram.com/leoratner/
    https://www.instagram.com/vsupernaskov/

    Slavic traits or at least original individual traits (one that comes to mind is Volchok, but there are others). Such brands may have the potential to define fashion beyond Russia.

    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes than most European nationalities (excluding French, Italians, maybe Germans). Clothes are very important even when you are a child.

    But seriously, I think there are extreme problems in terms of the production supply for clothes, who are mostly imported from China even for domestic brands. For a funny story, when Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krjfsq8Qg7E.) But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.

    his show at Yeltsin Center (out of all places, lol).

    Maybe this will trigger Bashibuzuk to return.

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern “community centre” in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It’s not only some “centre of evil” that it is portrayed by the “patriotic media”.

    there (the soccer player,

    There is “offnik” fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.

    I’ve not been living in Russia for years now, and losing contact to Russian culture greatly, and so finding it kind of bizarre to read about these Generation Z trends.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn’t protest Lukashenko) – he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.

    • Replies: @LatW
  191. @Dmitry

    There is such a possibility, that brown people whose brains were damaged by righoid politics, have a kind of ” status anxiety of the middle class”. So according to such theory, Karlin would idealize the white and yellow races, while viewing black people as below him.

    But I don’t think is really the situation, as Karlin is an open and honest supporter of the IQ national tables published by him. So it’s likely just because he is being consistent, and believing that yellow races are on average somehow more intelligent than white races, and whites more intelligent than browns, and browns more than blacks.

    He has described some black women as ‘ogres’. He has a visceral dislike of blacks that extends beyond IQ table autism. One of his first observations when landing in Russia is how easy it is to use homophobic slurs, which he praised, and he has consistently brought up gay marriage and pride parades as a key metric in his view of various countries. Often when he wanted to beat up on Ukraine he used these talkings points, negatively mentioning pride parades in Kyiv etc.

    He often does this unprompted, so it isn’t just pandering to the audience. Even if he were pandering to the audience, it would undermine the “just trolling” thesis, since it would achieve the opposite effect of getting a rise out of people by playing to their prejudices. As it happens, I believe he genuinely has homophobia. We can disagree over that if you want.

    Whereas Karlin, is going in the opposite direction from stereotype nationalist, and seems to not see any Jews in Russia, and he legitimately really knows or cares nothing about Jews.

    Nationalists overestimate power of Jews. But with Karlin’s blog, there is more underestimation of the power of the Jews, and not knowing about them.

    This is true and it’s true in a Western context as well. This is what prodded Langdom to call him out initially. I personally find his re-telling of the communist revolution as basically the work of Balts + Eastern Europeans (non-Russian) while completely avoiding mentioning any significant Jewish influence to be strange. Even more strange is how little he talks of the 1990s destruction of Russia and how he completely avoids mentioning the key role of Jewish oligarchs (on both sides of the Atlantic).

    This consistent pattern, coupled with his attacks on his commentators who brought up any issue related to Jewish influence, is what piqued my interest. When Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian, it made it harder to ignore. Together with his visits to synagogues, Jewish museums and praise for Israel, it became harder still.

    Nevertheless, it is entirely possible that Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more ancestry. I think the kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background. People who dislike people based on IQ charts, have some mild forms of regressive social views on women and sexual minorities but largely avoid any discussion of Jewish influence, in part because many of them have it (e.g. Moldbug and others). As it happens, many of these NRx types are also promoting ideas for an elite technocracy and they push crypto, which surely appeals both to Karlin’s interests as well as to his vanity.

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  192. @songbird

    You are comparing a population with a long historical legacy that dates before mandated public schools, to one with a shorter history, with greater English exposure

    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case. Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period. Yet Indians, despite being majority “1st gen status” in America, have no similar equivalents. If anything, you’d expect this social urge to be stronger for people who are still 1st gen. Of course, Indians still congregate around their own kin – like all minorities – but they do not self-isolate to the same extent.

    More importantly, they engage the broader public more directly and get rewarded for doing so. Some of this differential is surely related to the geopolitical tensions with China, which I think is making it harder for person of mainland origin to get promoted to the top levels in a way that it isn’t for an Indian. But even beyond tech, this cultural disparity exists.

    I’ll allow that [Battle of Lake Chosin] might be a bad film, with noticeable CGI, and it is probably not very subtle. But it is meant for internal consumption, and at least it makes a direct appeal to Chinese identity.

    I mean… it is clearly successful when measuring it by those metrics, which is likely the key objective of the backers of the film. But the world is larger than China’s borders and it will have minimal impact outside of it, unlike US propaganda. That’s the fundamental argument I am making.

    Was Saving Private Ryan good propaganda?

    When viewed in context – of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR – yes, it was and remains successful propaganda. The intention is not to blatantly lie about history, rather US propaganda efforts is aimed at “saturating” the mindspace for the population so that only the US view becomes the default. That is how the US succeeds in getting people from across the world to conform to its world view, so much so that even Europeans these days have assimilated the US-centric view of WWII and credit it more than the Soviets.

    I have only seen polls on Europeans, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the same held for Latinx Americans, MENA, Africa and even many Asian countries.

  193. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Of course they are not fully homogeneous, which would be impossible (and probably illegal) to ensure over such a long time period.

    I make the point more because it diminishes scale. For example, Boston has a very small Chinatown, to start with:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown%2C_Boston

    Speaking as a local, I think it is kind of neat. Not large enough to be alienating. Arguably has a lot of benefits. Used to be able to take the bus to NYC round trip from there for like \$20. (though it caught fire once or twice) I’ve never been remotely bothered by the Chinatowns in America. Though admittedly Europe is a different matter, but more for the broader picture that it represents. There is that Bruce Lee movie where he is working at a Chinese restaurant in Rome, and honestly I find it kind of disturbing that the movie is so old, and seems to take this glib attitude about immigration to the Eternal City.

    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case.

    I’m not particularly aware of any unofficial “Indiantowns” in America (maybe, someone on the West coast would know better?), but surely there are neighborhoods in Toronto, (or counting Pakistanis) London, and Birmingham that would qualify, as well as probably many smaller English cities.

    When viewed in context – of persuading Europeans that the US was the main reason for the defeat of Nazi Germany rather than the USSR

    Good point.

  194. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    ny significant Jewish influe

    I guess perhaps up to 15% of the elite of Russia might be Jewish, or more accurately to write “people with Jewish roots”. But older wealthy people don’t like to talk about nationality, so it’s not really possible to know this question.

    For example, journalists often write that Dmitry Pumpyansky is Jewish. But there is nothing said from Pumpyansky directly about his nationality in media from what I could see, so who knows what is the real situation (journalists also can invent things as clickbait).

    Relative to the population of the country (146 million), the level of Jewish elite, must be strange overrepresentation (proportionally as if more than world population of Jews was living in Russia).

    However, at the same time, maybe 85% (?) or the great majority of the elite in Russia are non-Jews (or non-Jewish roots people).

    So while the Jewish overrepresentation in the elite is objectively funny or unusual thing about Russia, it doesn’t explain anything much about power in Russia (which is majority a non-Jewish elite).

    Most of the elite in Russia are not Jewish roots people. Most of the elite of all nationalities are overlapping, and allied to each other.

    These ruling clans are not structured by nationality, and they don’t seem to care about nationality among themselves. So nationality doesn’t explain too much about their behaviour between themselves.

    Mikhail Fridman is Jewish. His best friend from college, who he had promoted, Vladislav Surkov, is Chechen. Between those two, it’s difficult to say one is in controlling the other? I can’t imagine Surkov is easy to control.

    Lavrov (Foreign Minister, who is Armenian), has a daughter in London, who married an Israeli man. Immediately after marriage, latter was then installed (by Fridman) to Moscow as the head of investments for Alpha Bank (Russia’s largest private bank). At the same time Basta (who is Russian) has installed Armenian Lavrov’s daughter’s Israeli husband’s brother into his record label.

    Or e.g. Norilsk, which is ruled by oligarchs, Potanin (who is Russian) and Deripaska (who is Russian). The two oligarchs hate each other, and fight for the city’s industry. So Putin (who is Russian) seems to install Abramovich (who is Jewish, although possibly not very Jewish – rather, he has been given control of the Jewish community as a job by Putin) in the company between them.

    A characteristic of the multinational elite, is a multinational attitude.

    Reiner Hindermann described him as Jewish-Russian,

    Probably because Hindermann is not a reliable source . He just thought that this name “Karlin” is associated with a famous Hasidic Jewish dynasty.

    But it’s also a common family name of many other nationalities. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Carlin

    Karlin is just 3% Jewish even if he acts like he has considerably more

    He also knows nothing about Jews in Russia in his writing – seeming less than an average political person in Russia.

    So he even behaves like he has less than 3% Jewish roots.

    kind of nationalists he feels most comfortable with are those of NRx background.

    Karlin loves Moscow, loves Sobyanin, loves Russian government, loves their moderate support to Russian imperialism, loves safety of the country for brown people under Putin. He even likes Simonyan. He also likes to promote Russian imperialism to people, as a kind of flex. He’s happy with the decisions of the (multinational) elite in Russia, so as a result he doesn’t have to think about them.

    He doesn’t know about them, which is his right as a happy customer. If you go to the restaurant, enjoy your meal – then you feel a need to find the manager?

    That’s all a valid position as a blogger, which is based in his preferences. But of course, it’s not what we associate with “Russian nationalism”. His views are “Russian imperialism”. And the confusion of the language is not a co-incidence, as this is something which happens in Russia itself in the last decade.

    You cannot expect a blogger like Karlin (who is happy with immigration to Russia) to be researching on instagram about his rulers. Just a few people are curious (like myself), and we might read funny things (which may or may not be true). 99% of people don’t care about these topics.

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  195. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    hipster projects

    These hipsters with the Instagram accounts you posted seem a bit decadent, I thought the original idea for hipsters was to reduce consumption, recycle clothes, bike, scale down, etc. 🙂

    Russia has a lot of potential to become influential in fashion. Adjusting for income, Russians care more about clothes

    Not only that, Russia is very artistic. There is untapped potential. The combination of modern and traditional, boldness of colors and ideas. But, yea, sourcing quality material is expensive and to produce for the West is hard, Gosha Rubchinskiy said he didn’t have the capacity to produce enough clothing for his fans in London, but then he found some English partners and it sold well. His black paramilitary shirt is selling for \$600 on Farfetch (a pretty well known luxury store). Know that there are Swedish high end clothing brands in places like New York where very simple looking sweaters are selling for \$200, so these kinds of designers, if they had the marketing, could do ok.

    [MORE]

    Timati has presented the Russian army fashion clothes with Shoigu…

    Oh, I see he tried ingratiating himself with the powers that be. 🙂 Should he become a Yedinoros? 🙂 I’m not a fan of his tbh (but he has a really beautiful baby mama).

    But the clothes were things he bought on Aliexpress and added labels to.

    Seriously? LOL. He always brags about how rich he is and he can’t create his own authentic collection? Well, if he did do that, it probably wouldn’t be in military style. Btw, those designs in the video are pretty decent, it’s just hard to tell if the fabric is of good quality.

    There is “offnik” fashion now, based on English and Italian hooligan clothes of the 1980s. The kids try (within limited budget) to dress like designer Italian football hooligans.

    That’s the football ultras look, they have it in Ukraine, too. We call them “урла”. But this offnik looks a bit more stylish. If they like incorporating the Italian football logos, then maybe they should use those Roman leaves. I think Roma Lazio also has the eagle.

    But offnik culture promotes brawling. So it could still fly in Russia, but probably not in the West (boys can get into trouble for that in Western countries).

    Yeltsin Centre was controversial to build, but now it is also functioning like the most modern “community centre” in a city Ekaterinburg (maybe the third city in Russia). It’s not only some “centre of evil” that it is portrayed by the “patriotic media”.

    Well, this Gosha Rubchinskiy fashion show is a good example why patriots view it as “evil” because it’s a rather decadent fashion show. But from the point of view of art and fashion, it’s really cool and fun. It’s a presentation of radical freedom and it’s a collection of 1990s subculture themes, so it fits well with the Yeltsin center.

    But if you know rapper Max Korzh (who recently became unfashionable with the kids in Belarus for saying they shouldn’t protest Lukashenko)

    Oh, yea, I know Max Korzh, he was the protege of Kasta? Bah, he super cute.
    Rap is not really my cup of tea, but I like his music, it’s energetic, boyish, quite aggressive. It’s good gym music. No idea what he said about Luka, I have to look that up.

    he was earlier inspiring more affordable (Addidas) version of trend with the Generation Z children.

    Frankly, this is kind of working class kids’ culture, but that’s ok.

    Also his tours has a kind of image of promoting multinational friendship across the postsoviet sphere, which has been positive from my view.

    This is so awesome, I wish the kids could finally live free of all the baggage. It’s so cool he was in Lithuania. His shows are just so boisterous. 🙂

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  196. @Yevardian

    Well twitter is fucked now. As much as jack dorsey sucked with twitter censorship, its going to get a lot worse lol.
    Forget about my posts where I said twitter was one of the best platform for dissenting voices and a medium to quickly learn about other cultures.
    its new CEO is Indian who is openly already displaying Jewish like nepotism and hes already doing work putting in censorship laws in effect. Here is his first day at work and here are his actual views
    Callow ethnonarcissists at the head of cosmopolitan corporations and platforms is of course a great idea.

    And of course the obligatory bobs vegana sex pest.

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    , @Yevardian
  197. @German_reader

    There are hard, physical constraints on producing enough battery capacity (even assuming improved efficiency):

    https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/08/nation-sized-battery/

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  198. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    I’m very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me

    I understand, but I invite you to look at this from a different angle. As I said, aside from the actual violent types (who are few), these ethnonationalists maintain their position not from some “hate”, but from love for their culture and people. A lot of what they talk about is not even racial, but more along the lines of economic interests and wellbeing.

    I mean what do you think about the draft law proposed that it should be illegal, for journalists to name peoples’ nationalities in relation to reporting on crime?

    Yes, I saw that today. It almost reminds me of the Swedish law. And by the way, it was proposed by Chechens. Are things so bad that this is now needed? Was this brought up because of the recent “ethnic crimes”? The incident on metro (a Slavic man with a child was attacked?). I guess I agree with Dima Dyomushkin – first, there seem to be a lot of restrictions lately in general, neither highlighting nor hiding the ethnicity is necessary. He said over 50% of crimes in Moscow are committed by non-locals. Everyone will know anyway who it is. And apparently Caucasians respect their own elders more than the RusFed law.

    [MORE]

    I understand that there are problems for those that come from Caucasus who are uprooted, away from their caring traditional culture. And I think they remember the war (the young know about it, too).

    This is not nationalist, but goes structurally in the opposite direction.

    Yes, you’re right – “historical Russia” is an imperialist term.

    What we see happening now, and historically, is – what works. Every time the government changes, it presents a different image, but there is consensus in this area. This is how the authorities are controlling the territory. You integrate elites of the different nationalities, and hope everything will stabilize.

    Of course, I know this very well, this is how the SU worked, otherwise it wouldn’t have worked. They had to integrate everyone and repress any kind of differences. Or at least dilute them somewhat (or pretend they don’t exist). I don’t envy Russians — they have to constantly work with all the “root nationalities” and show tolerance.

    This is the eternal dilemma for Russian ethnonationalist, because you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Giving up territory or giving too much autonomy is not acceptable but to absorb everyone is a lot of work.

    In terms of nationalities like Tatars, it’s very realistic

    I don’t know about Tatars, but I know that Udmurts have issues with retaining their authenticity. Not too long ago an Udmurt man self immolated because he felt that his language was disappearing (or that it wasn’t protected enough by the state).

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  199. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t know, I mean the “woke” Muslims in US politics like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar don’t really advocate for an Islamic system in the US, as far as I can tell, and they’ve adopted all the liberal pieties about LGBTQ+ issues, feminism etc. So at least their version of Islam seems to be fully compatible with wokeness, it’s just seen as a matter of personal religious belief, which doesn’t necessarily impinge on one’s ideas about the constitutional order or lead to bigotry against homosexuals and other favored groups

    AFAIK in Woke there is no sphere of personal religious belief, quite famously ‘the personal is the political’, A Muslim who accepted the Woke positions about the evils of patriarchy, patriarchal marriage and sexual norms, cis- and heteronormativity would be radically redefining on every level what Islam and being a Muslim involves. I am sure they will attempt this radical redefinition (they are further down the track of attempting it with Christianity already) and women will lead the way, Integralism is plausibly one reaction against this process, at least it highlights that it is underway and some of what is going on.

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  200. EuroNat says:
    @German_reader

    His main reference is a controversial book by an Israeli scholar (Ariel Toaff) about obscure blood rituals among medieval Jews. I haven’t looked into it, but it sounds rather far-fetched, and imo it looks like a sign for severe confirmation bias on MacDonald’s part.

    Pathetic virtue signalling. If you havent looked into the work of the *Jewish* Israeli college professor – of European medieval history- Ariel Toaff, why would you give your obviously out of your *ss, ignorant opinion saying it sounds to you rather far fetched, ie his claims are untrue?

    Imagine someone criticising your immigration restrictionist posts as “racist” and “xenophobic” and’ then saying, “well, I haven’t really looked into German_reader’s claims about what is going on in Germany with the refugees (fake acording to him) avalanche and the subsequent increase in crime and so on but IMO it all sounds rather far fetched…”

    Don’t be that guy GR. Hear or read what the Jewish historian has to say. Check his sources. Check rebuttals. Then talk.

    Or just cut the virtue signalling, just don’t mention it. Dont “stain” your online “reputation” and “soul” by talking, reading and even thinking about such taboo subjects. Ridiculous to me, but to each his own.

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    , @German_reader
  201. Ron Unz says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I wasn’t commenting on the facts. I was commenting on the propaganda power of the US and how China had nothing comparable.

    I don’t see how the material that you provided changed that observation. China’s cultural and media influence is shockingly poor outside of its borders.

    Sure, I’d agree with you 100% that American MSM and global propaganda is enormously powerful compared with its Chinese counterpart, or that of Russia or Iran. But while propaganda is important, I do think over time actual Reality is more important. Don’t forget that the US convinced the world it was considered best prepared for the Covid epidemic:

    And according to Reality America has been doing very badly in recent decades, while China has been doing extremely well. That’s because our elites are very good at propaganda, while theirs are good at Reality. I’d still stand by what I wrote back in 2012:

    Some of the sources of Chinese success and American decay are not entirely mysterious. As it happens, the typical professional background of a member of China’s political elite is engineering; they were taught to build things. Meanwhile, a remarkable fraction of America’s political leadership class attended law school, where they were trained to argue effectively and to manipulate. Thus, we should not be greatly surprised that while China’s leaders tend to build, America’s leaders seem to prefer endless manipulation, whether of words, money, or people.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/chinas-rise-americas-fall/

    • Agree: showmethereal
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    , @Frank Miller
  202. @Ron Unz

    Considering that Africa has done generally well with Covid, a cursory glance seems that the pandemic preparedness map is nearly inverted from reality.

    Not that much of it has had to do with preparedness per-se. Demographics are a large share of that.

  203. Ron Unz says:
    @EuroNat

    If you havent looked into the work of the *Jewish* Israeli college professor – of European medieval history- Ariel Toaff, why would you give your obviously out of your *ss, ignorant opinion saying it sounds to you rather far fetched, ie his claims are untrue?

    It’s easy to understand from a psychological perspective. If you actually investigate certain things, you’ll discover that the existing framework of reality you’ve been assuming your entire life is severely mistaken and needs to be radically changed, which is an extremely disturbing and unpleasant process. Therefore, it’s much easier and more pleasant to avoid investigating those things.

    This might be called the “Ostrich Effect.”

    • Replies: @EuroNat
  204. @Svidomyatheart

    My idea that social media is an intellectual and social cancer just gets more confirmed all the time.

    My wife had FB for a while and I attempted to have a couple of discussions on it, which was a complete waste of time.

    I would nearly be inclined to say that more meaningful discussion happens on UNZ than all of social media put together.

    I’d be happy to let the woketards have their Twitter and FB. It just keeps them in their bubble so others can do things in real life. The more time and brain cells they burn off the better, in my opinion.

    • Replies: @Svidomyatheart
  205. AaronB says:

    I read this in on another blog.

    What’s exciting about The Dawn of Everything is how it emphasizes conscious choice in culture. There’s plenty of reason to believe that some Indigenous cultures, when Europeans encountered them, were in a mode of consciously rejecting large-scale agriculture, hierarchies, cities, and so on.

    I wrote here about similar impressions of mine, that Graeber’s main point was against determinism – the modern fetish – and for human choice and freedom.

    Genetic or environmental determinism, is clearly untrue, and is a device used by current elites to cement their privilege – sort of like divine right of kings, or the mandate of f heaven, etc. Evey culture develops some form of false determinism to cement elite privilege.

    Examples of civilizations making large scale conscious changes that go against everything in their culture are many.

    Asia is the most prominent case in modern times. A traditionally highly literary and explicitly anti-technology culture, does a complete U-turn, and heavily invests in technology, which it has no particular aptitude for or pleasure in (lack of tech creativity, etc), and can only maintain by a tremendous over-investment of energy and time (the notorious Asian cram schools, the notorious long hours of homework and lack of social life, and the astonishingly long work hours of the Japanese and Chinese, etc).

    Another example might be Israel. A culture that for 2,000 years had avoided war and was synonymous with physical cowardice, made a conscious decision to do a complete U-turn, and is now better at war and physical violence, and more physically dating on the individual level, than cultures who prized war and physical courage for millenia.

    All as a result of conscious choice.

    There are countless more examples, but these perhaps stand out in the modern period.

    A people, a culture, s civilization, can dramatically change course, consciously, after hundreds or even thousands of years.

    Determinism – lol 🙂 I guess our giant brains are for nothing 🙂

    This should give us all hope. Nothing is set in stone.

    In the modern period, I believe we are once again approaching a turning point.

    • Agree: Beckow
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    , @songbird
  206. @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    A little OT, but I think this site could use a columnist/specialist who addresses web security issues. I know they’re a dime a dozen out there, but this topic is especially important for people here who want to retain some level of anonymity, which is probably most of them. Someone who could provide tutorials on how black hats phish for data (especially here) and what one can do to safeguard against them.

  207. @Thulean Friend

    The fact that these Chinatowns have stuck around for so long is sort of arguing my case.

    There is an obvious, although seldom-referenced, reason for this phenomenon.

    Chinese food is absolutely delicious.
    Indian food tastes bloody awful.

    There will be Chinatowns in the Year 4000.

    • Disagree: Barbarossa
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  208. sher singh says:
    @songbird

    Crypto.

    • Replies: @songbird
  209. Unknown fake or not fake
    On the border with Ukraine, soldiers shot a group of unarmed migrants

  210. German_reader says:
    @EuroNat

    I downloaded the Blood passover book from Library Genesis, will try to look at it in the coming weeks and to post my impressions here.

  211. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    A Muslim who accepted the Woke positions about the evils of patriarchy, patriarchal marriage and sexual norms, cis- and heteronormativity would be radically redefining on every level what Islam and being a Muslim involves.

    That’s absolutely true, but such woke Muslims already seem to exist in the US, and I suppose liberals just assume the rest of them will eventually get along with the progressive agenda too. And maybe they’re even right, America still has formidable powers of dissolving traditional identities. The situation in Europe may of course turn out to be rather different (much larger Muslim populations in some countries, with a potential for demographic dominance in some regions, also easier for Muslim countries like Turkey or various Gulf states to exert influence on Muslim communities).

    • Replies: @sher singh
  212. sher singh says:
    @German_reader

    Close to 10million Indians + Iranis in the US now, formation of brown ID is next US dev of 5-10 years
    Western Cons are Imperialist Liberals/Assimilationist, Wokes are Civil War Libs/Mercenary Diversity

    Woke Muslims are also operating from a tribalist paradigm, ie US gay marriage ok but not Islamic
    Christians OTOH are secular universalists ie whole society should lean christian, bad but short expln.

    [MORE]

    Beaman goes on to ask, “… how do we measure the Christian-ness of social institutions and ideologies? How is it possible to disentangle liberalism and its emphasis on individualism and free choice and protestant Christianity and its basis in individual choice and relationship to God?

    Beaman points to renowned religious studies scholar Robert Orsi’s assertion that Christianity is considered, “… the highest realization of global religious culture.”

    By looking at material Christianity, we … see little evidence that American Christians experience a radical separation of the sacred from the profane. If we look at what Christians do rather than at what they think, we cannot help but notice the continual scrambling of the sacred and the profane. Likewise, by focusing on material Christianity we can no longer uncritically accept the secularization model.

    From How it Seams by Laura Morlock

  213. Beckow says:
    @AaronB

    Genetic or environmental determinism, is clearly untrue, and is a device used by current elites to cement their privilege – sort of like divine right of kings, or the mandate of heaven. Every culture develops some form of false determinism to cement elite privilege.

    That is true and insightful in general, but the two areas that you mentioned – genetics and environment – are the most sticky aspects for any culture. DNA is not destiny, it changes over time, but it also perseveres. Asian latter-day tech adoption is unnatural but it evolved from their farming practices (rice cultivation). The Asian embrace of technology looks painful to outsiders, they lack any true techie curiosity and don’t much care for the pure knowledge aspect of science. Their techie lives reflect their DNA in the bend-over, diligent work of cultivation very labor-intensive rice paddies. The Asian gaming obsession today reflects their traditional mindless escapism, time-wasting and harmless. They pass time and wait for the harvest.

    With the Jews in Izrael you are slightly off, but generally correct. Enough of the ones who moved there came from survival environments, a DNA self-selection. They also encountered a situation that was like a steel knife in a butter: helpless natives who put up mostly silly resistance with inferior technology. As that changed, the balance has shifted and as all Western-driven ethnics today, they are not good in even fights.

    Nothing is set in stone.

    That is hopeful for some, but for most people in the West that is also a threat – they are living off the stone, they absolutely need to keep it that way, and it is crumbling under their feet. That explains almost everything around us and the suppressed Western fears act as their own determinism. After a period of silly boasting and random uber-activity in 1990-2015, the West unhinged itself from reality and it is anyone’s guess where they are they going to take it. They no longer even control themselves, it is a juvenile fantasy that they could reassert control over others.

    One recent Western development is the palpable fear of the individual death that has overtaken the culture. The endless “the world is ending” manias – from the climate fears to Corona – are a simple redirection of one’s fear of individual death to the more palatable universal collapse. The logic is that if there is no world out there worth living in, one’s death becomes easier to accept. These are twangs of a dying culture, end-of-liners and too many old people around who simply lost it. They no longer know what life is, they misunderstand the basic human biology, and have become like children with unlimited dreams and ever-present fears. This will get even more interesting.

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    , @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  214. @Emil Nikola Richard

    I can’t see eye to eye on that. Well done Indian is probably my favorite ethnic food.

    Perhaps you’ll think they are corrupted by me, but my 5 little kids all vote that way too!

    • Agree: AaronB
  215. songbird says:

    Now that Prince William has said that Afghanis are welcome in the UK, I wonder if it would not be a good time to try to restart the Afghani monarchy by shipping the Windsors over there.

    If Harry never picked up any Dari or Pashto during his few weeks spent over there, I imagine he would be a fast learner now.

  216. AaronB says:
    @Beckow

    Sure, but it’s important to provide a counter narrative to the ahistorical and illiterate HBD notion that Asians had a natural aptitude and predisposition towards technology.

    The opposite is the truth. Adopting technology was a conscious choice, under duress, and involved extreme strain and extreme violence towards their cultural preferences.

    It is a supreme example of a civilization making a conscious choice to utterly reverse course to survive under adverse circumstances.

    This is, of course, also true of the West to a high degree – certainly to the majority of the people who continue to experience technology as alienating – but there were cultural roots that lent some support at least towards a Faustian attitude towards life among some elite factions.

    Of course, you make good points about how once Asians did adopt technology, it was flavored by preexisting cultural habits. That’s quite correct.

    Japan also brought to bear it’s preexisting culture of devotion to craftsmanship when it adopted technology, which is why today Japan is famous for meticulous quality.

    They also encountered a situation that was like a steel knife in a butter: helpless natives who put up mostly silly resistance with inferior technology. As that changed, the balance has shifted and as all Western-driven ethnics today, they are not good in even fights.

    This too is today a popular narrative, that is generally applied towards the Wests colonization of native people’s, but is simply incorrect.

    For instance, when the British conquered the Sikhs, each side had equal technology and weaponry. The Sikhs especially feared to meet in combat British officers, because they were considered to have psychological qualities that made them especially fearsome fighters. Likewise the American colonists against the Indians.

    Technology was only an advantage rather late, and only initially until native people’s adopted it as well, which was always rather swift.

    As for Israel, this is also roughly the opposite of the truth. As Israel gained a technological edge, it’s warrior culture declined. The first decades of the state was the period of “heroic warfare”, where Israeli soldiers engaged in mostly hand to hand combat (short range shooting contests, occasionally knives and fists), with Arab foes in most cases equally well armed. And there was a general cult of “derring do” in the IDF which encouraged an almost reckless hand to hand engagement (heedless charges into fire, etc) with the enemy which led to victories but unnecessarily high casualties (Martin Van Creveld criticizes this in his history of the IDF).

    This was the period of “romantic” warfare.

    The Soviets armed the Arabs, and it was only in the 80s that Israel began to acquire a qualitative edge.

    Only after Israel began to acquire a technological edge and begin to rely on technology more and more did it become “soft”, a process that is being reversed.

    Similarly, American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan were in hand to hand combat significantly superior simply as fighters to the supposedly fearsome Muslim death-eaters, as countless documentaries show.

    The technology meme is wrong – it’s psycho-spiritual qualities that relate to conscious cultural choices as well as historic and cultural factors and predicaments, and can change over time.

    (I’m not suggesting Arabs are “innately” poor fighters, or that the British are “innately” ferocious fighters – that’s obviously absurd).

    • Replies: @Beckow
  217. AaronB says:
    @Beckow

    That is hopeful for some, but for most people in the West that is also a threat – they are living off the stone, they absolutely need to keep it that way, and it is crumbling under their feet. That explains almost everything around us and the suppressed Western fears act as their own determinism. After a period of silly boasting and random uber-activity in 1990-2015, the West unhinged itself from reality and it is anyone’s guess where they are they going to take it. They no longer even control themselves, it is a juvenile fantasy that they could reassert control over others.

    I understand the impulse to cling to something solid, but determinism offers no hope in resurrecting traditional European culture or evolving into new healthier cultural forms.

    To give an example – the early Zionists looked at the degraded condition of European Jews and refused to accept the – extremely strong – message of determinism about “innate” Jewish qualities that everyone at the time, both Jew and European, was inclined to believe.

    Similarly, Asians encountered overwhelming European intellectual superiority and would have found it incredibly easy to assume that they simply were not intelligent enough to compete (and many did), yet they did not take this lazy option.

    Both cultures were healthy and flexible because determinism had no traditional roots in Jewish or Asian culture (which emphasize self cultivation).

    Now look at our whiny White Nationalists today. Coming from a culture where scientific determinism holds sway, they craft a narrative where the current degraded condition of Whites is genetically determined, and conscious decision cannot change course.

    Zionists and traditional Asians, faced with setback, refused to see themselves as determined. Europeans today choose to see themselves as determined.

    It’s fairly obvious HBD is a self inflicted trap.

    It may be time to accept that scientific determinism – and the general scientific impulse to define, pin down, and control everything- ended up being a limiting and delimiting trap for Europeans, who have neutered their ability to imagine that they can be different than they are now.

    For the modern Westerner, everything is determined, controlled, pinned down, defined, by science – there is nowhere to go.

    Without breaking free, there truly is nowhere for you to go but down.

  218. AaronB says:
    @Beckow

    One recent Western development is the palpable fear of the individual death that has overtaken the culture. The endless “the world is ending” manias – from the climate fears to Corona – are a simple redirection of one’s fear of individual death to the more palatable universal collapse. The logic is that if there is no world out there worth living in, one’s death becomes easier to accept. These are twangs of a dying culture, end-of-liners and too many old people around who simply lost it. They no longer know what life is, they misunderstand the basic human biology, and have become like children with unlimited dreams and ever-present fears. This will get even more interesting.

    Yes, this is probably an expression of and a contribution to the greatest evil of our time which is at the root of all other evils; the absurd fear of death, which poisons life and leads to our endless desire for control, and which is at bottom materialism.

    The correct response surely isn’t biological understanding, but spiritual awakening.

    Nor do I agree with you that the apocalyptic fantasies so prevalent today demonstrate fear of death – rather, they are a hidden impulse for the entire cultural edifice that traps them in fear of death, materialism, control, spiritual emptiness, come crashing down.

    They cannot articulate a way out, but the deepest part of their being craves release from it’s bondage.

    Modern life shows that a culture founded on a fear of death as it’s basic principle cannot flourish; it must necessarily be a timid culture of contraction, fear, and ever tightening control. People ruled by a fear of death cannot be happy people.

    I see this in relatives of mine; their overriding imperative is safety, and to that end they banish all adventure, spontaneity, and free activity, from life, in an anti-romantic attempt to enmesh themselves in ever tightening chains of determinism and control. Needless to say, they are miserable, and the magic and beauty of life passes them by.

    Attitude towards death is perhaps the fundamental root of every culture, for good or ill. Get it wrong, and you are setting yourself up for misery.

    We are in urgent need of a spiritual and metaphysical renewal.

    We all deeply intuit this.

    Apocalyptic fantasies express this.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  219. @Barbarossa

    Well tbh(no offense to Ron Unz), Unz was/is probably on levels of Stormfront aside from a couple of posters . Which isnt much at all.

    Twitter was much more high quality. Yes like 9/10 was controlled by leftists even during jack’s era. But you just needed to know how to use it.

  220. songbird says:
    @sher singh

    The thing I wonder about crypto is, how much of its current value is because it is tacitly accepted by the US – at the moment? And how much would collapse overnight the second that it wasn’t tacitly accepted? For example, don’t all the major exchanges have bank accounts? And isn’t most of the volume of trading linked to bank accounts in some way? (I assume it is.)

    Maybe, it would still hold some value in the Third World, in countries that don’t want to get shafted by the dollar?

    It is my main point of skepticism with cryto. Not sure they would have to “shut down the internet”, just increase the energy and intelligence barrier to trading. Still, at this point, I’d much rather be holding it than dollars.

  221. Yevardian says:
    @Svidomyatheart

    Imao, where did you dig this up? Speaking of twitter, in this instance I find myself agreeing with Anglin’s recent article, I really do think Jack Dorsey was deeply uncomfortable on a private level with the path his website went down on, hence his resignation.
    Like Ron Unz said somewhere earlier, it seems very clear that the vast majority of these professional tech people aren’t at all politically savvy, being too preoccupied with the technicalities of their work to do more than lazily follow general developments via the establishment media.

    I suppose their usual lack of machiavellianism, introversion and general high trust in people makes it an ideal career-climbing avenue for people such as this typically verminous pajeet.

    its new CEO is Indian who is openly already displaying Jewish like nepotism

    I’m not exactly the most philosemitic person in the world, but please, comparing the tribe to Indians is way beyond the pale, I really don’t think that’s fair.

  222. Yevardian says:
    @LatW

    I’m very strongly anti-racist, and so extreme nationalism becomes less sympathetic to me

    Me too, I don’t hate any race or ethnic group, their cultures all have some value in themselves (except Indians).

    I understand, but I invite you to look at this from a different angle. As I said, aside from the actual violent types (who are few), these ethnonationalists maintain their position not from some “hate”, but from love for their culture and people. A lot of what they talk about is not even racial, but more along the lines of economic interests and wellbeing.

    This is sensible, healthy and commonsense and in a countries that were historically homogenous nation-states, but Russia forfeited any possibility to embody the original Russian myth a very, very long time ago.
    I suppose it’s very unlikely Russia could have ever become a major power, or even survived as a sovereign state, if it hadn’t aggressively expanded in all directions, incorporating vast numbers of foreign peoples in the process. From a purely ‘nationalist’ perspective there’s practically no justification for Russia to retain the Caucasus, especially whilst Belarus simultaneously exists.
    The conquest of the North Caucausus was probably the single worst act of policy the Russian Empire ever committed to, the region being militararily impotent (despite being great fighters locally), economically worthless, and impossible to govern. Just territory for the sake of territory.

    Russia could have saved rivers of blood by simply providing incentives to the local leadership and coopting them as vassal states. Ironically, it seems Russia finally resigned itself to that in practice with Chechyna anyway, but only after completely destroying and rebuilding the place, at extreme expense.

    I don’t know about Tatars, but I know that Udmurts have issues with retaining their authenticity. Not too long ago an Udmurt man self immolated because he felt that his language was disappearing (or that it wasn’t protected enough by the state).

    That isn’t a non-issue, in practice almost no minority languages within Russia receive any real support at all (only in areas where they form strong local majorities i.e. North Caucasus, or parts of Kazan), and often face active discrimination from populist politicians agitating against the oblast’s titular indigenous minority for cheap votes, often resulting in bashings etc from the local bydlo trash.

    The situation for native Uralic peopels is supposed to be particularly bad in Mari-El, which immediately neighbors Udmurtia, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  223. A123 says: • Website
    @Coconuts

    Everyone keeps writing that they have an alliance at the moment but that this alliance is something like the Nazi-Soviet Pact of 1939-41.

    You just need to think about memes like ‘Islam is right about women’ and why this is a way of trolling progressives.

    Sorry. Your theory does not hold up under inspection.

    Let us consider real case of “Alliance of Necessity”. The Log Cabin Republicans and Main Street Christians Republicans. It was always a palpably uncomfortable. The Christian side openly disapproved and it requires a perpetual heavy handed effort via, “Hate the Sin. Love the Sinner.”
    ___

    Is the relationship between SJW Globalism and Western Islam similarly fraught? Clearly not. Woke Gay Muslims like Keith Ellison have been leading the Charge of the Woke Brigade for decades. Openly LGBTQ Muslims are running for office and winning:

    — (1) Liliana Bakhtiari (District 5) won her runoff election for the Atlanta City Council, becoming the first out LGBTQ Muslim elected in the state of Georgia

    — (2) Mauree Turner (Oklahoma District 88) never thought she’d run for office. “I’m Black, Muslim, femme, queer, born and raised in Oklahoma — politics was the last thing in my crosshairs,”

    — (3) Saqib Ali, the first Muslim elected to Maryland’s state legislature, echoes Ellison’s views, stating that marriage equality “doesn’t affect [his] marriage; it doesn’t affect anybody else’s marriage.” Ali’s support for LGBT equality

    I could go on, and on, and on…. It took about 2 minutes to find citations for these high profile, LGBTQ, Woke-slam examples. There are many, many more.

    ____

    The truth is obvious. Western Muslims are the thought leaders of the DNC (and similar European movements), driving the headlong rush towards ever increasing Wokeness.

    This is not a temporary “Alliance of Necessity”. It is a “Union of Shared Woke Values”.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇
    _____________________

    (1) https://weconnect.lgbt/liliana-bakhtiari-wins-ga-runoff/

    (2) https://www.huffpost.com/entry/mauree-turner-oklahoma-black-queer-muslim-candidate_n_5f8732cfc5b6c5eccffcc5e2

    (3) https://www.glaad.org/2011/06/28/muslims-speak-out-in-support-of-lgbt-equality

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  224. songbird says:

    So often money is the means of undermining society. I’d like to see this countered by putting collectible memes on currency.

    How many collectible quarters are there in the US? 56? Imagine doing the same with dollar bills, to give it more space. Keep one side the same, but do dozens of variations on the other. Soyjacks pointing at different things. Chads. Nothing wrong with putting women on money either, if they are idealized and making a man a sandwich or giving him ten children.

    • Replies: @songbird
  225. songbird says:
    @songbird

    I suspect that the movement to put Tubman on the twenty is really meant to increase GDP as everyone tries to get rid of ugly-looking bills, thus spending them faster and faster, but also getting them back faster and faster, in a never-ending cycle of increasing economic activity.

  226. Erzberger says:
    @Thulean Friend

    “ Will this extremely poor track record change? I am skeptical, for two reasons. First, authoritarian regimes are inherently less tolerant of divergent cultural output. This is starting to become a problem in the US too but its a completely different scale, boomercon hyperventilation nonwithstanding. Second, perhaps there are genetic reasons at play, too. India is much poorer yet its cultural influence (Yoga, Bollywood, Buddhism) is far greater. ”

    China is a very old civilization and has an extremely rich track record regarding cultural output, even though it has always been ruled by authoritarian regimes. Up to the 19th c, when China was all but ruined by vandals (Britain, France, US) and their Opium Wars (Opium grown in India and Turkey, and sold at gunpoint to China), China was greatly admired for its many unique inventions, and the modern world would simply not have been possible without paper, gunpowder, the compass, the printing press. What about silk and porcelain (“China”), Chinese architecture, music, painting, philosophy? Confucianism and Taoism had a major impact on European philosophy, esp Enlightenment philosophy, from Voltaire to Kant. A Hundred Schools of Thought would have been impossible in contemporary Christian Europe, also known as the Dark Ages.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Schools_of_Thought

    Or Chinese medicine and agriculture? Massive output and influence. India cannot hold a candle to China’s achievements, neither can Europe, nor the US.

    As for genetic reasons: A bit absurd if you consider just how most Chinese became Han Chinese. It has probably more to do with the fact that China, under Imperial or even the present Communist rule, is a highly competitive meritocracy. The rise of Zheng He from castrated Muslim minority slave to greatest seafarer and Chinese ambassador is unimaginable in caste conscious India or feudal Europe, or the slave holding United states centuries later

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/zheng-he-china-explorer-ships/

    http://en.people.cn/90782/8044241.html

  227. songbird says:
    @Erzberger

    Euros are not quite so cucked that they would be favorably impressed by the ability of a eunuch to rise in position. At least, not quite yet.

    • Replies: @Erzberger
  228. sher singh [AKA "Jatt Aryaa"] says:
    @Yevardian

    Armenians call themselves Hayer

    Hayer/Heer alongside Bhullar & Maan

    Are the 3 foundational Jatt clans (Gotra)

    You’re an Indian, well Indo-Scythian 🤷‍♀️⚔️

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

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  229. sher singh [AKA "Jatt Aryaa"] says:

  230. Ron Unz says:
    @Erzberger

    As for genetic reasons: A bit absurd if you consider just how most Chinese became Han Chinese. It has probably more to do with the fact that China, under Imperial or even the present Communist rule, is a highly competitive meritocracy. The rise of Zheng He from castrated Muslim minority slave to greatest seafarer and Chinese ambassador is unimaginable in caste conscious India or feudal Europe, or the slave holding United states centuries later

    Exactly. Although the notion is widely denigrated across much of the Internet, China is probably the world’s oldest “propositional nation,” absorbing and assimilating numerous other groups, notably those that conquered China. There’s that famous statement by Confucius that those who wear the clothes of the Han and act like the Han should be considered Han.

    A particularly interesting test-case exists in the case of the Jews, who have managed to retain their distinct ethnic identity for thousands of years while living in countless host societies. So we have the unstoppable force of Han assimilationism acting against the immovable object of Jewish ethnic identity, with the test being the fate of the Jews who moved to China over the centuries.

    The Han won: the Jews dissolved and disappeared just like every other group.

  231. Erzberger says:
    @songbird

    And who is impressed by sth every animal can do?

  232. songbird says:

    If Stalinist Russia were somehow reborn today, they would fill their Potemkin villages with Instagram thots.

  233. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    Timati

    Timati is always a Kremlin project. It’s a project for state control on the youth culture. Although he seems to create some independence in being shareowner of “Black Star Burger”, etc. They have sacrificed poor Timati to work as Kadyrov’s sometimes barbeque assistant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwVavNT98U. And otherwise in literal Surkov projects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oae4ScxUc-s.

    Almost all celebrities are a kind of court jester. I mean it’s not that uncommon that politicians are writing some of their songs. Like e.g. Grigory Leps is performing songs written by Prime Minister Mishustin, while his businesses are financed by father of President Aliev’s grandchildren.

    Should he become a Yedinoros? 🙂

    This is more like career future of Basta. He can write already his job description as a “politicians’ assistant”.

    It’s maybe a filter why Russian celebrities seem usually nicer than Western equivalent. Because they know they are a court jester. I mean people like Basta seems like such a nice person on television – they are at their high positions because partly of sociability .

    ingratiating himself with the powers that be. 🙂

    It’s a competition with a lot of entries, but GeeGun must be the winner. You can in instagram he is already socializing with politicians’ children while they are still in school.

    Another perhaps not “advantage” of being Kremlin officials’ children – GeeGun can “sing” in your birthday party.

    This is so awesome, I wish the kids could finally live free of all the baggage. It’s so cool he was in Lithuania. His shows are just so boisterous. 🙂

    Yes he does better work than a UN ambassador. He’s in Riga, Tallinn, New York, London, Warsaw. His greatest fans even in Ukraine

    Chechens. Are things so bad that this is now needed? Was this brought up because of the recent “ethnic crimes”? The incident on metro

    I guess it’s not actually that bad in terms of crimes nowadays. What is bad is that their politics has the most independent power, and the least responsible power. I mean even if you believe official narrative about the killing of Boris Nemtsov, it’s looking bit more scary than “first world Swedish problems around immigration”.

    I think they remember the war (the young know about it, too).

    I’m the least relevant person to ask. I’ve never to the Caucasus, never spoken to a Chechen in my life. Never, I’ve never spoken with an Armenian. The only Caucasian people I’ve known are Georgians and Azeris.

    But from online comments, it seems that normal Chechens do not write like stupid, Kadyrovbots. And surely justifiably, they are not happy with their local politicians or their federal ones.

    I invite you to look at this from a different angle. As I said, aside from the actual violent

    As I said, I support a nationalism to the extent as such a movement was in the 19th century. If the alternative to imperialism, was represented e.g. Mazzini, then it would be a different (more civilized) reality .

    Udmurts have issues with retaining their authenticity.

    These nationalities become less viable every year.

    For example, demographic situation for Mordvins collapsed. Mordvins now have a lower fertility rate than Russians (despite always have much higher fertility than Russians in Soviet times), and a high intermarriage rate. Fertility rate in Mordoviya is 1,255 – and yet Mordins have a lower fertility than Russians within Mordoviya.

    I don’t know about Tatars,

    If you are interested in Tatar demographics, the best article I read is written in English in 1995 (so it is a little old). “Russians, Tatars and Jews”

    According to this article, even the 1995 situation is a disaster for Tatar nationalism. At the time, the situation (of the separate nationality being swallowed by Russians) was worse for Jewish nationalism than Tatar nationalism, but now the situation is even worse for Tatar nationalism – as people with Jewish roots can go to Israel, whereas Tatarstan itself has high intermarriage to Russians, and there is no escape plan for the Tatar nationalists from being swallowed.

    “According to the 1988 –89 data, the percentage of mixed marriages among all marriages involving Tatars was 39.0% for Tatar men and even higher — 39.9ý% for Tatar women; in urban areas such marriages for Tatar women reached 50.5%. It has been estimated that in the mid- 1980s 25.2% Tatars were currently married to Russians.”

    “Intermarriage has been predominant among Jews. In 1988–89 among all Jews who
    married, 73.1% men and 62.7% women entered into mixed marriage. In the post-war period rising intermarriage was accompanied by a great increase in the proportion of children born to mixed couples. In 1959, out of all children born to Tatar women, the percentage of children born to mixed couples (we have no data on the number of such marriages) was as low as 8.6%. Twenty years later, in 1979, it was 31.0%, or 3.6 times more. Among the urban Tatar population in 1989 this percentage reached 40.2%. At the same time, in 1989, the percentage of children born to mixed couples among all children born to a Jewish mother reached 59.2%, or 2.2 times more than in 1959. Data on the offspring of mixed Russian-Tatar and Russian-Jewish couples show a clear preference for Russian ethnic affiliation of children. Even according to the 1994 microcensus, this was the preference on average for 81% of the children of Russian-Tatar couples, and 89% for those children born to Russian-Jewish couples.”
    https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/bjpa/c__c/Tolts_EPC%20Milan,%2019951.pdf

    Not too long ago an Udmurt man self immolated because he felt that his language was disappearing (or that it wasn’t protected enough by the state).

    “Russian Federation problems”. There were also Bashkirs being prosecuted for racist hatespeech last year in Ufa, because they complained about being displaced by Armenian immigrants.

    Somehow the discussion reminds me of Morgenshtern .

    He is Bashkir (Muslim origin) from Ufa. Some months ago, proposed marriage to his beautiful girlfriend, who has obviously Tatar (Muslim origin) family name – while they were celebrating Jewish Shabbat in the Synagogue. Probably the boring explanation was he and his Tatar girlfriend have some Jewish roots. But either way like national minority celebrities surviving by “Mergers and acquisitions (M&A)”

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  234. Beckow says:
    @AaronB

    provide a counter narrative

    Since overall I agreed with you, I didn’t offer a counter narrative. I simply added that genetics and environment tend to be sticky – but there are cases when change happens.

    You romanticise early Izrael. The reality was that a better armed, organized and led Jews from Europe (often from physically demanding regions) right after WWII, faced disorganized natives who had no real idea what to do. That obviously changed later.

    You also cherry-pick an unlikely equivalence between British and Indians (Sikhs). There were always a few exceptions, but Westerners fought valiantly when they had superiority – some were personally brave, many were not. Most wanted to ride the technology advantage – as West has done until today. Bravery in war means a willingness to die for one’s cause, that was and is rare among Western militaries – actually they almost always fall apart when faced with even odds. They know how to kill, but not how to die – that makes them basically sitting ducks in a fight with comparable foe. British are “ferocious” when they can kill with impunity, they are not when blood starts flowing both ways.

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  235. Beckow says:
    @AaronB

    …Nor do I agree with you that the apocalyptic fantasies so prevalent today demonstrate fear of death – rather, they are a hidden impulse for the entire cultural edifice that traps them in fear of death, materialism, control, spiritual emptiness, come crashing down.

    Your formulation is an elaborate and baroque version of my point: I said that lot of people today in the West have mitigated their own fear of individual death with apocalyptic fantasies like climate collapse and C19. Yes, there is also a materialist trap, there is emptiness – but those always exist.

    What distinguishes today’s apocalyptic manias is the visible fear that many have of their own biological end. It makes them mad – when they are old, or not so old but with no progeny, with no future, with no biological role, it is more comfortable to slide into a fashionable end-of-the-world mania, or “let’s have 100% protection from disease (e.g. a virus)” then to face the fact that they have lived useless lives and it is about to end.

    This is especially acute with the elderly childless women who literally suffer from a suppressed hysteria – their very existence makes no sense, even to them. They go crazy and demand that the world stops and pays attention to their fears, hypochondria, absurd lives. The West has brought this upon themselves by bad choices in the last 2-3 generations. I agree the so-called White Nationalists are mostly useless noise on the way out – they have no understanding of what has happened, harken back to silly quasi-Nazi fantasies about WWII, communism, China, or whatever. They miss the point and refuse to confront the rot at home and in their own lives.

  236. @Ron Unz

    If I was a Jew, I’d probably be smug as hell – they managed to outlive and watch dissapearance of all their great and mighty historical enemies (Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Nazis) and also countless other fellow travellers of historical scene (states, nations and tribes), many of which dissapeared almost without a trace, while they stayed intact not even being relatively very numerous in comparison.

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  237. @Erzberger

    China was greatly admired for its many unique inventions […] Or Chinese medicine and agriculture? Massive output and influence. India cannot hold a candle to China’s achievements, neither can Europe, nor the US.

    Charles Murray’s magisterial Human Accomplishment is the best effort that I know of trying, as objectively as possible, catalogue the achievements of various countries and civilisations. The vast majority of scientific output happened in the last 400 years and almost all of it came from the broader West.

    I personally don’t like Murray’s politics, as I view him as too reactionary. My personal feelings aside, I have not been able to find serious flaws with his methodology (which he spends the book’s first 100 pages or so outlining, in painstaking detail). Murray could be described as a Western chauvinist, but the data that he presents are objective and none of his critics have been successful in presenting anything that would radically alter the book’s conclusions.

    I agree about India’s achievements being lesser, at least if we limit ourselves to science. Its religious-cultural influence has been as strong, if not stronger (Buddhism, a major religion in East Asia, first came from India. Many aspects in South-East Asian countries’ cultures are inspired by Hinduism, this clearly visible in countries like Indonesia’ or Cambodia’s ancient architecture).

    The rise of Zheng He from castrated Muslim minority slave to greatest seafarer

    Zheng He was brilliant but there are also many myths surrounding him. As I was growing up, I did read quite a lot of history from the so-called ‘California school’ was which was a heterodox and revisionist historical tradition. Zheng He was frequently invoked, and especially his ships. The claim of his supposedly huge ships was taken as argument for Chinese technological superiority.

    The original sources for these gigantic ships were Chinese, which is understandable. Many ancient Western sources are notoriously unreliable, often vastly overestimating the numbers of soldiers in various battles so as to make any victories seem even more glorious. Western scholars engage with these sources with a critical lens.

    Yet for these “heterodox” historians, any wild claim was often taken prima facie because it boosted a non-Western civilisation. It became a tool for Western leftist historians to take the West down a peg, historical accuracy be damned. Thankfully, sanity has prevailed in recent times, with doubt being cast on the most lurid tales about He’s ship fleet.

    I’m using this anecdote as a warning that there are internal political pressures in Western academia to inflate non-Western civilisations for domestic political purposes. This doesn’t mean He was a nobody. His achievements were significant, just that we should be keeping this in mind whenever we read English sources by Western scholars. It will probably be a less of an issue going forward, and if anything we could even find the opposite: deliberate denigration of Chinese achievements due to US-Chinese tensions, with this spilling over to academia. I hope it doesn’t get to that, but it would be foolish to think that academia is invulnerable to political pressures in the other direction, too.

    if you consider just how most Chinese became Han Chinese. It has probably more to do with the fact that China, under Imperial or even the present Communist rule, is a highly competitive meritocracy.

    I think the Han is probably the most successful “race” in terms of longevity and expansion within a defined territory. Of course, the Han absorbed many ethnicities into its fold over time to achieve this. Some scholars have gone as far as calling the Han an ‘invented people’ – though by that metric we all are. Before there were Germans there were Saxons, Swabians and so on.

    If we are talking about global influence then clearly North-Western Europe is an uncontested winner. It’s too early to tell which group chose the better strategy: expand in all directions and try to influence everything and everyone or mostly stay home with any expansion limited to the immediate neighbourhood.

    In some ways, North-West Europe is a victim of its success. It is hard to talk of Anglo culture these days since language is central to identity, yet English has become the lingua franca of business and science. Even literature is globalising. Many Indian and African writers write in English first. It no longer belongs to a single people, the way Mandarin belongs to the Han. For culturally conservative isolationists, the Han approach is better. For liberal “globalists” (for a lack of a better term), the NW European one is best. Jury’s still out.

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  238. As a small addendum, the ‘California school’ mostly wrote about economics. Their central claim that China was essentially as rich as Europe as late as 1800 AD has not aged well. We now know that they were off by a full century, though they did make more minor contributions, such as correctly stressing regional variation. Before them, it was common to compare the richest areas of Europe (UK/NL) in the 18th century to all of China. They instead focused on the richest areas of China for a better comparison. Still, even using this approach, China was falling behind already by the mid-1700s.

    I do not want to come across as a Sinophobe, but I find myself often arguing with pro-China bulls (like my bet with AK) on this site, whereas in other places I have to push back against lazy claims that China doesn’t innovate, it just steals everything etc. It’s quite hard to find a sensible middle-ground.

  239. Not Raul says:
    @sher singh

    Linguists debate what branch of Indo-European Armenian belongs to.

    The Ossetians, to the north, clearly speak a language closer to Urdu than to major European languages like Russian and German.

    If Armenians are related to Jatt clans, might Ossetians be related to them, too?

    Armenian and Ossetian don’t appear to be close relatives, like Persian and Urdu.

    Much of Armenia was ruled by Persia for a long time, and much of Armenian nobility and gentry has some Persian ancestry.

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  240. sher singh says:
    @Not Raul

    Most likely since Panjab, Sindh & Kashmir + Brahmins are more related to Avars than to rest of India.
    https://www.quora.com/Are-Tajiks-genetically-closer-to-Persians-or-Pashtuns

    Explains Karlin’s Indophilia, also Thulean are your farm laws ok, are they hurting friend? 😀

    @songbird Jew Banks own Bitcoin, and are putting out Billions in Eth & BTC ETFs. China is ghey,

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  241. @Yevardian

    Lol those images were right on twitter.

    But yeah ur right jack was probably crushed mentally seeing his dream libertarian world fall apart all around him

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  242. @Yevardian

    Lol those images were right on twitter.

    But yeah ur right jack was probably crushed mentally seeing his dream libertarian world fall apart all around him

  243. sher singh says:

  244. @Not Raul

    Stop listening to Sikh idiots – Armenian is closer to Greek than Indo-Iranian. Ossetian is the last relict of the once great Sarmatian-Scythian language area (a branch of Iranian languages).

    Both of them trace their roots to an era before a distinct Sikh-Jatt identity was formed in medieval India, and even before Vedic Kshatriyas. They didn’t came from a mythical India, but to the real Aryans sprawling over Persian and the Eurasian Steppe.

    Neither of them wants anything to do with filthy Indians now, but to Christ & Caucasus.

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    , @Not Raul
  245. @Svidomyatheart

    Dorsey is libertarian??? Trump has a grudge to him for obvious reasons!

  246. @Beckow

    Bravery in war means a willingness to die for one’s cause,

    Dying is not always the hardest option. In fact, it is often the easiest. This is why many cowards commit suicide.

    Courage in warfare is doing what it takes to win, while also not losing yourself.

    that was and is rare among Western militaries – actually they almost always fall apart when faced with even odds.

    You could not be more wrong. The ability of Western militaries to stand and face each other, day after day, dying, is what makes their historical record so completely different from that of other militaries. It also led to WW1 being an unparalleled disaster, but what you call “bravery” has consequences.

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  247. @sudden death

    Did the Romans and Egyptians disappear? This is news to me. Who are the people of Lazio and Lower Egypt then?

    • Replies: @sudden death
  248. sher singh says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Christians are race traitors,

    Related to doesn’t mean come from.

    You’re a Han learn your place, this discussion is among us||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • LOL: Barbarossa
  249. @Yevardian

    The conquest of the North Caucausus was probably the single worst act of policy the Russian Empire ever committed to, the region being militararily impotent (despite being great fighters locally), economically worthless, and impossible to govern. Just territory for the sake of territory.

    The Caucasus mountains are a natural barrier. Controlling north Caucasus is strategically important. Russia really doesn’t want a rival country having a presence there and this includes there existing an independent state in the region which could form an alliance with enemies of Russia.

  250. @Ron Unz

    This is similar to the dynamic under the Roman Empire.

    In both the Chinese and Roman examples cultural continuity and subservience was more important than race.

    This is what irritates me about many WN people; they fail to see that race is of secondary importance and is utterly meaningless without a viable and healthy cultural rootstock.

    • Agree: Coconuts
    • Disagree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Yevardian
  251. A123 says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    The Han won: the Jews dissolved and disappeared just like every other group.

    What was the maximum # of expat Jews to be assimilated at one time? Around ten thousand? I do not recall ever hearing about a large enclaves. Assimilating junior bankers, mostly single males, that supported merchant fleet shipping was a pretty easy task. Intermarriage did the work in 2 or 3 generations.

    For a minority to have persistence it must have non-Han wives. This is why the Turk ethnic Uighurs (a.k.a. Weigers) pose such difficulty for the CCP. They will not marry Han.

    There’s that famous statement by Confucius that those who wear the clothes of the Han and act like the Han should be considered Han.

    China also believes in state run religious organizations with political conformity tests for leadership. Sort of like the Church of England. Christianity has not had a major impact, because there is a functional (though not explicitly named) Church of CCP ensuring faithful service to central communist rule.

    Again, the Weigers pose huge difficulty for central rule in China. They will not obey religious & political leadership indoctrinated via CCP Mosques.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  252. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    British are “ferocious” when they can kill with impunity, they are not when blood starts flowing both ways.

    Have you ever heard of the first day on the Somme when 20 000 British soldiers were killed? And then the fighting still went on for months.
    Of course that was a century ago, and Western men today would probably be too soft for something of the sort (and there are too few of them anyway, given low birthrates)…and there’s also the question who would want to die for the shitty anti-national systems of today’s Western Europe. But your pronouncements on some unchanging Western character are rather odd and not based on historical facts.

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    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Dmitry
  253. Erzberger says:
    @Thulean Friend

    “ Some scholars have gone as far as calling the Han an ‘invented people’ – though by that metric we all are. Before there were Germans there were Saxons, Swabians and so on.”

    Of course we are all an invented people, and the same argument has been made for Jews

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/233025/the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-by-shlomo-sand/

    The Saxons and Swabians are still very much alive. German citizenship was as inconceivable prior to the Third Reich as EU citizenship is today. Nobody in Europe had a passport prior to WWI. Before Hitler, the Austrian who encountered major obstacles obtaining citizenship in a German state, introduced German citizenship, Germans had passports that identified them as Bavarians, Saxons, Prussians etc, and regional rather than national identity is still going strong in Germany today. Germany is a federal republic, like the Weimar Republic.

    As for your comments on China: I was not talking about the last 400 years, but about thousands of years of Chinese civilization. Whether it’s Murray or anyone else, assessments of national or racial/ethnic achievements are always biased and often controversial. Who/what country invented the automobile? Controversial. Was the automobile a great, brilliant invention? Controversial. It certainly changed the world, as did gunpowder. Or take Nobel prizes, another questionable indicator of a countries creative, intellectual potential and achievements. The great majority of scientific papers in China (now 20 % of the global production) are not published in English and therefore do not get much attention outside China. Much research activity occurs in engineering (no Nobel prize in that field). Many Nobel prizes are awarded to more than one scientist, often in collaboration with another scientist from another country. Population size also matters, of course. Take such factors into account, and the hype about the US as global leader in Nobel prizes appears as just that -hype. You will also notice the sharp drop in German performance starting with WWI and benefitting the US. There are varous reasons for this, the most important one being major patent theft after WW 1 and 2 by the US and, to a lesser degree, other members of the winning coalitions. After stealing intellectual property from Brittain, and China, in the 19th c, and from Germany in the 20th, they now bitterly complain about China stealing intellectual property from the US? At least China didn’t do it by war and conquest, and call it liberation. Europe still outperforms the US in Nobel prizes, and the sharp increase in British performance in the 90s is clearly the result of EU funding of a science hub in the UK – makes perfect sense in view of English being the dominant language in science, therefore attracting talent from all over the globe. Whether this position holds up after Brexit we shall see. What is undeniable is US decline

    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/05/10/the-hierarchy-of-countries-winning-nobels-in-the-sciences-is-shifting

    But my main objection to your post was your view that authoritarian rule stifles cultural or scientific production. and excellence. Apart from China: How about Prussia/Germany in the late and early 20th c, not to mention the German Enlightenment of the 17th/18th c? How about the famous Sputnik moment and Soviet scientific achievements? Whereas free speech may indeed broaden output, censorship frequently deepens it. The US never produced novelists comparable to the great novelists of Imperial Russia who were held in highest esteem in Europe at the beginning of the 20th c, to the point where French belief in their cultural superiority was once again shattered, after the Germans had already dealt a severe blow. Xi, btw, is the only leader today who, as he told Angela Merkel, has read Goethe’s Faust so frequently that he knows the play by heart. I doubt you would find many Germans today, much less politicians, who could make the same claim. And speaking of Merkel: when asked why she chose to become a research scientist in East Germany, she replied that science was the most attractive field for free-thinking in a country where ideology stifled and penalized by various means, including social mobility, open inquiry and free expression.

  254. @Ron Unz

    There is something to be said I think for the fact China had an overwhelmingly large core population with which to assimilate peoples into. Chinese civilization is definitely propositional (anything involving “all under Heaven” must be) but if they were a smaller, more genetically dispersed people, they would have had greater struggles. The Rus’ were made from United East Slavic and (some) Ugric tribes, but the former were the same tree branch, and the latter a very close branch. It didn’t begin with the close integration of roughly equal Germanics, Finns, Balts, Slavs, Ugrics and Pechenegs.

  255. @Barbarossa

    I will say, Roman philosophers complained mightily when Roman stock was essentially depleted in the North and largely replaced with Lombards and various German/Gothic Tribes. While the Roman idea was still being carried out in various manners by its emulators and inheritors, the Roman people were losing their own position in the world and empire.

    Empires gain power through a mix of both a well-stocked core group that produces the culture AND the Imperial Culture. The issue is when one is forgotten or ignored.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  256. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    The ability of Western militaries to stand and face each other, day after day, dying, is what makes their historical record so completely different from that of other militaries.

    I was clearly talking about the West fighting non-West, e.g. the British in India. Did you miss that? As so often, you change what others say to fight a straw-man.

    With each other Westerners fought brutally – and mostly involuntarily as conscripts. But elsewhere in the world they always prefer a turkey shoot. Too bad it seems to have ended, how are you going to implement your liberal dreams? Today even a nominal casualty or resistance scares the West off.

    I will leave your bizarre “ease of death” psycho-babble aside, strange how you create your reality out of exceptions. Hollywood? Or do you reason by looking at a few odd cases that one can always find?

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  257. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Last time I checked, Somme is in France. I was clearly discussing West vs. the others, not the internal squabbles. But I would point out that WWI was mostly fought by unwilling conscripts and is seen as a bloody disaster.

    The Western character when attacking – that’s what I was discussing – was greedy and adventurous, but essentially cowardly. They always counted on better arms, surprise, bribery of locals, etc… When they encountered serious resistance, they basically went for a genocide – incl. women and children. Only self-deluded would refer to it as bravery.

    As a “German” you should also relate to the repeated German (and French, Swedish, others) attacks towards the east that were a collection of aggressive attacks, hope for superior weapons, and genocidial behaviour. It culminated with WWII – that was basically all of the continental Europe attack on Russia and an attempt at genocide by using “better weapons”. It failed and that failure eventually emasculated the Western men to the point where today they watch as their folks are getting violated by swarthy newcomers. Very sad, but let’s not forget how the West got to this point.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AP
    , @Asur .
  258. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    But I would point out that WWI was mostly fought by unwilling conscripts and is seen as a bloody disaster.

    Actually a lot of those cut down at the Somme were volunteers, in the so-called Pals battalions, in which men from the same localities had enlisted en masse out of patriotic fervor. But of course you don’t know that, since your knowledge of Western history is pretty much limited to the commie propaganda they fed you in school during Eastern bloc times.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Coconuts
  259. Erzberger says:
    @Ron Unz

    Agreed, but note that the view of Confucius, in the West, tends to be rejected as genocide. How is it different from, say: Kill the Indian, save the man? Or Walther Rathenau’s 1897 appeal for deep assimilation in “Hear, O Israel”, even though he never advocated conversion. Rathenau’s appeal was deeply controversial, then and now, and is often cited as an example of Jewish self-hatred. One Rabbi, Rabbi Wein, writes on his blog:

    “the greatest damage of the Jewish self-haters was reserved for modern times. From the beginning of the nineteenth century through our own very day, Jewish self-haters abound and are given great publicity and attention in both the Jewish and non-Jewish world. The greatest of all anti-Semites was probably Karl Marx. Walter Rathenau, a German Jew who rose to be the foreign minister of Germany in the Weimar Republic and who was later assassinated for being Jewish, wrote an essay called “Hear O Israel” in which he confirmed that all of the anti-Semitic canards against Jews were actually true. The Bolshevik, communist Jews were the greatest anti-Semites, hating all other Jews and determined to exterminate any vestige of Judaism or the “old Jew” from surviving. In reality, they all hated themselves and could not somehow forgive themselves or their ancestors for having been born Jewish.“

    Rathenau was not assassinated simply for being Jewish, just as Erzberger wasn’t assassinated simply for being Catholic, but that’s another story. In the US, Theodore Roosevelts crusade against hyphenated Americans around the same time is also very controversial and widely condemned as nativist racism. Is the US a melting pot, or not?

    As for Jews in China: Clearly, Confucianism is much better equipped for dealing with a religious minority, esp. Jews, than Christianity, see the following article on Chinese/Jewish encounters

    https://www.asianstudies.org/publications/eaa/archives/encounters-between-chinese-and-jewish-civilizations/

    In contrast, Jewish and Christian beliefs are frequently incompatible and antagonistic. Take, for instance, Jewish revulsion at Catholic Idolatry and Iconography, and Catholic revulsion at their fellow Jewish citizens, be it in Poland or Russia over centuries, or more recently in Israel, to spit on the ground when witnessing a Christian procession featuring the Cross, or the Virgin? And then there is the classic contribution by M.E. Ravage on the real crime of the Jews: not so much killing, but giving birth to Christ and Christianity:

    https://archive.org/details/2018-real-case-against-the-jews-a-marcus-eli-ravage

    What Charlemagne or the Teutonic Knights did to the Germanic, Baltic and Slavic tribes of Europe can only be described as genocide. Hitler and many in his movement certainly saw it that way, and the Jews were therefore in for a reckoning that was also a reckoning with and purging of Christianity

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  260. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    …a lot of those cut down at the Somme were volunteers

    Some were, most were not. None of the Germans or French were volunteers. In any case, a distinction without a difference.

    When you lose an argument, you descend into infantile slogans. That is very disappointing because it shows mental chaos and fear. In any case, I called you on the German genocide that your ancestors did in the east – a reality, a fact, an ugly truth. So you hide. Not for long.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  261. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    So you hide. Not for long.

    And what’s that supposed to mean? Do you hope for some great war, some great reckoning in which evil Germany, the evil West, or whatever is the target of your demented rants, is brought down for its sins? You think shitty little Slovakia will end up on the winners’ side again, like you did last time, through no merit of your own? Maybe you should think about that again.

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  262. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    A lot of Japanese seem to feel that Japan is past its peak, due to age cohort structure.

    But, IMO, Japan could still unlock a vast creative potential, if even though they are not PIE, they tried to copy the Kóryos, bands of young bronze age warriors from the Eurasian step.

    Of course, I mean it very loosely. Somehow, find a way to promote or subsidize the formation of companies by young men, who have the most nimble minds, avoiding the stultification that happens from the bureaucratization of long-established companies. (I think this was true of early Post-war Japan to a certain extent – very little credentialism). If staid Japan is too fearful of competing with the new Japanese Kóryos, limit them to exports.

    The only difficulty is finding a way to eventually transition these young men, who by instinct will want to work long, back-breaking hours, back to normal society, as they age out of it, and facilitating family formation among them.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  263. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    The comments by Beckow are most likely just trolling.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  264. German_reader says:
    @Coconuts

    No, he’s got a long history of comments dripping with anti-Western resentment, where he regurgitates the crudest kind of Soviet propaganda (he also thinks Britain and France in 1939 really wanted Nazi Germany to attack the Soviet Union and declared war only for show, that Hess’ flight in 1941 proves the Nazis were in league with the British upper class etc.). Given that about 90% of his comments harp on this theme, I can only assume he really believes it.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Coconuts
  265. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    I described a narrative: a WWII genocidial attack by Germans on the east, a catastrophic defeat, a recovery that unfortunately included a gradual German emasculation and migrating new people to Germany. A helpless satellite of vengeful and manipulative Western liberal overlords. Now in 2021 it looks like the chickens are coming home to roost, but you prefer to sloganeer. If my understanding is correct – and it seems to be – it won’t be long for the consequences.

    You take it personally and lash out in anger, the very same anger towards us, your neighbors, that has brought Germans to this point in the first place – unless you think that the Nazis were right. How is that helpful? If you disagree with the overall narrative, tell us why, what are we missing?

    My cultural recollection is that it is the Germans who obsess over sh..tty topics and find toilet humour amusing. Again, why are you projecting?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  266. @A123

    The poll, conducted by think tank Demos in preparation for a forthcoming essay collection, shows that Muslims are more likely to strongly agree with the statement ‘I am proud of how Britain treats gay people’ than people of no religion. Only Sikhs were more likely to strongly agree.

    The quote is from a source from your third citation. I wonder if sher singh has any opinions about that. 😉

    Later on in the article…

    The findings mark a significant change since a Gallup poll in 2009 found that zero per cent of British Muslims were tolerant towards homosexuality.

    Naturally, this raises questions about the relative worth of each survey since something seems off somewhere there. My guess is that a “poll” conducted by the think tank may have been self selecting.

    https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-morality/

    If you scroll down on that link there is a rather in depth look at Muslim attitudes on homosexuality. Not quite Woke.

    As for Muslims in general, like every other group they are increasingly pressured by the corrosive effects of Woke liberalism, so yes you do see the Ilhan Omar style “model liberal Muslims”. They are hardly the rule.

    By your logic you could just as easily argue that the Catholic Church is behind the Woke agenda using the example of Joe Biden.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Not Raul
  267. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    In 1939 Britain and France declared the so-called “phoney war” (term used at that time) while Germany devoured Poland, and before that Czechoslovakia. There was no fighting, no help, the western front was silent. The documents are readily available in French-UK archives: the intention was to redirect the German aggression eastward. It didn’t work.

    In May 1941, Hess flew to Britain with a proposal to the British to stay out and let Germany destroy Russia. This was one month before German attack on Russia. Britain seemingly rejected the offer and imprisoned Hess – yet, they also largely stayed out of the war for 3 years: 1941-44. In those years 90% of fighting was in the east. The idea that Hess was “mad” and not acted with approval and with some expectation that Britain was open to the deal is too far fetched. Nobody would believe it if other countries were involved. There are no coincidences like that.

    You deny obvious facts and that is desperate.

  268. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    I described a narrative: a WWII genocidial attack by Germans on the east

    Slovaks weren’t the victims of genocide (in fact weren’t victims of much at all until 1944, since for most of the war Slovakia was a semi-fascist satellite state of Nazi Germany) and did comparatively well in that era, getting rid of unwanted Jewish, Hungarian and German minorities, so your level of pretended grievance is hard to take seriously.

    unless you think that the Nazis were right. How is that helpful? If you disagree with the overall narrative, tell us why, what are we missing?

    You’re not going on and on just about Germany (annoying enough), but you paint a picture of the entire “West” (whatever that means) as a uniquely evil civilization based on nothing but aggression, rapacity and oppression. Not much different from the scribblings of Frantz Fanon or some other 3rd worldist, but maybe that’s the company you’d like to keep.

    And you haven’t answered my question. What exactly is “You hide. But not for long” supposed to mean?

  269. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    As I said, I support a nationalism to the extent as such a movement was in the 19th century. If the alternative to imperialism, was represented e.g. Mazzini, then it would be a different (more civilized) reality .

    That’s more like nationalism as nation building, it’s a positive thing, but it doesn’t address the problems of today. It’s for history books.

    It’s maybe a filter why Russian celebrities seem usually nicer than Western equivalent. Because they know they are a court jester.

    Not nicer, but more supplicating. The consequences for not being so turn out to be dire. Did you hear that Morgenshtern left the country? Did he go to Georgia or the Emirates, something like that? If he really is gone, then his life is collapsing as we speak, and all because of a short phrase he blurted out that the powers that be don’t approve of. So you’re not very safe even as a musician if you don’t play by the rules a 100%. Up to the point where you can even be sent to prison… and there is a lot of info now coming out about the conditions in Russian prisons.

    And Timati is old news, what is he, like, 40? Morgenshtern is now more popular among the youth, from what I understand (btw, I’m not approving of the messages he sends out in his “art”). And I see that Kremlin is trying to negotiate with him. They’re asking him to come back and behave and then things will be fine and dandy.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  270. songbird says:

    Since there are all these woke demands for reparations, I think it would be funny to play off of that. For example, drop Jussie Smollett off in Nigerian and demand our money back.

  271. Beckow says:

    I answered your question before: the current situation will have consequences, all you have to do is mentally scale up what is going on. The future is never much more than management of consequences.

    To avoid addressing my points you narrow it down to the unimportant Slovak WWII clerical state. You avoid the elephant in the room: Germans attacked east and committed genocide. Then they lost catastrophically. The West had some role in this. I describe it realistically and avoid the Western self-mythology, but I have no idea who “Fanon” is, and generally think that Third World should stay in the Third World. You are way too defensive.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  272. A123 says: • Website
    @Barbarossa

    As for Muslims in general, like every other group they are increasingly pressured by the corrosive effects of Woke liberalism, so yes you do see the Ilhan Omar style “model liberal Muslims”. They are hardly the rule.

    You are still reversing cause & effect. Modern SJW Muslims are the leaders of the Woke movement. They are not being pressured. Western Muslims are the ones applying the corrosive pressure against traditional Judeo-Christian values.

    By your logic you could just as easily argue that the Catholic Church is behind the Woke agenda using the example of Joe Biden.

    Pope Francis went to Iraq and grovelled before his master, Grand Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani,. One can only imagine what he promised in the service of SJW Islam. Francis’s support of Open [Muslim] Borders is an unambiguous stance expressing loyalty to Islam & enmity to Christians.

    Do you really believe the Catholic Church is still Christian in any meaningful way? I have serious doubts.
    _____

    If you are right and there are “conservative Muslims”, what elective offices do they hold?

    Just by statistical chance you should get a few. They simply do not exist, regardless of what polling suggests.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  273. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    I answered your question before: the current situation will have consequences,

    What does “consequences” mean? You mean war between NATO and Russia? Obviously that would be a disaster for everybody involved (including Slovakia btw). Yet you almost seem to look forward to it with gleeful anticipation, because of some bizarre resentment you nourish for no easily discernible reason.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  274. AP says:
    @Beckow

    The Western character when attacking – that’s what I was discussing – was greedy and adventurous, but essentially cowardly. They always counted on better arms, surprise, bribery of locals, etc

    They were advanced (is it bad?) and used it to their advantage, but certainly were not cowardly. Cortes’s conquest of Mexico with a couple thousand men or the Portuguese defeat of the Indians (outnumbered 1:8) was not the work of cowards. It was brilliant and amazing:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cochin_(1504)

    And of course the Hapsburgs and Poles vs. Ottomans, etc.

    It culminated with WWII – that was basically all of the continental Europe attack on Russia

    Soviet myth. Small Germany occupied much of Europe, and despite this burden attacked and almost defeated the USSR with a much larger population. I don’t recall the Germans mass surrendering and fleeing, as “cowards” would have done.

    But I would point out that WWI was mostly fought by unwilling conscripts and is seen as a bloody disaster.

    It was a bloody disaster but not fought primarily by unwilling conscripts, rather by very willing participants of mass hysteria. An old process. A funny passage by Celine:

    [MORE]

    It’s the philosophers . . . another point to look out for while we’re at it … who first started giving the people ideas . . , when all they’d known up until then was the catechism! They began, so they proclaimed, to educate the people . . . Ah! What truths they had to reveal! Beautiful! brilliant! unprecedented truths! And the people were dazzled! That’s it! they said. That’s the stuff! Let’s go and die for it! The people are always dying to die! That’s the way they are! ‘Long live Diderot!’ they yelled. And ‘Long live Voltaire!’ ….And long live everybody! Those guys at least don’t let the beloved people molder in ignorance and fetishism! They show the people the roads of Freedom! Emancipation! Things went fast after that! First teach everybody to read the papers! That’s the way to salvation! Hurry hurry! No more illiterates! We don’t need them anymore! Nothing but citizen-soldiers! Who vote! Who read! And who fight! And who march! And send kisses from the front! In no time the people were good and ripe! The enthusiasm of the liberated has to be good for something, doesn’t it? Danton wasn’t eloquent for the hell of it. With a few phrases, so rousing that we can still hear them today, he had the people mobilized before you could say fiddlesticks! That was when the first battalions of emancipated maniacs marched off! … the first voting, flagmatic suckers that Dumouriez led away to get themselves drilled full of holes in Flanders!… The free-gratis soldier . . . was something really new … So new that when Goethe arrived in Valmy… he was flabbergasted. At the sight of those ragged, impassioned cohorts, who had come of their own free will to get themselves disemboweled by the King of Prussia in defense of a patriotic fiction no one had ever heard of, Goethe realized that he still had much to learn. This day,’ he declaimed grandiloquently as befitted the habits of his genius, ‘marks the beginning of a new era!’ He could say that again! The system proved successful . . . pretty soon they were mass-producing heroes, and in the end, the system was so well perfected that they cost practically nothing. Everyone was delighted. Bismarck, the two Napoleons, Barrès, Elsa the Horsewoman. The religion of the flag promptly replaced the cult of heaven, an old cloud which had already been deflated by the Reformation and reduced to a network of episcopal money boxes. In olden times the fanatical fashion was: ‘Long live Jesus! Burn the heretics!’ . . . But heretics, after all, were few and voluntary . . . Whereas today vast hordes of men are fired with aim and purpose by cries of: ‘Hang the limp turnips! The juiceless lemons! The innocent readers! By the millions, eyes right!’ … Let whole legions of them perish, turn into smidgens, bleed, smolder in acid—and all that to make the Patrie more beloved, more fair, and more joyful! ”

    • Replies: @Beckow
  275. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    The Japanese simply aren’t ambitious anymore, and are reverting slowly to their old Buddhist culture of happiness and leisure.

    A 19th Japanese statesman, seeing how wealthy and powerful the West was compared to Japan, said Japan would never achieve a similar level of wealth and power, because they were too happy.

    This remarkable statement, is one of the most penetrating insights into the psychology of wealth and power ever made by anyone.

    Japan shifted to the pursuit of wealth and power, in response to the challenge of the West. First it tried to match the West in colonialism and military power. When that ended in a devastating manner, Japan switched to economic competition.

    Which, astonishingly, it won! Did you ever wonder why Japan went into decline just as it was about to overtake the US economy, an astonishing achievement?

    Why did they suddenly lose steam on the cusp of victory? It’s because they won – they had nothing to prove anymore. They stopped caring.

    Today’s Japanese youth, are know as the “Satori generation”, because unlike their parents, they have no ambition and are content with little.

    The only thing that remains for Japan, is to dial back their absurd long work hours – but I hear outside major industries, it’s really just for show and not real.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  276. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    The consequences are visible on the streets of Germany: an increasingly non-European society that has voluntarily absorbed American racial obsessions and guilt. The lack of agency on the part of Germany, its satellite status that doesn’t allow even for a discussion of the issues. The self-defeating economic policies, where Germany acts as a milking cow for the others and is prevented from pursuing its self-interest.

    With foreign policy, Germany has alienated its eastern neighbours (V4+) with its heavy-handed role as the main promoter and enforcer of the Anglo liberal policies, from LGQX… to migrants. This only highlights the deep memories people in that region have of the German behaviour in WWII.

    I don’t wish for a war and I don’t think there will be one. It takes two equivalent sides to have a major war and EU is emasculated and clearly not willing to fight. There will be some local “power” projections, but I doubt it would escalate to a big war. So don’t worry about a “disaster” for us, we will be fine. The main danger to us is the spread of the German-sponsored homo policies and their Third World migrants. That can be directly traced to what Germans did in WWII and how they chose to evade responsibility by throwing themselves at Anglo mercies. The Anglos took a long time (Cold War?), but eventually their liberal madness has been imposed. Are you enjoying it?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  277. AaronB says:
    @Beckow

    I don’t think that’s correct.

    In our age of egalitarianism, it’s popular to spread the meme that the West won only because of technology. We’re uncomfortable suggesting the human factor may be so uneuqual. And clearly, this meme salves the pride of non-Western people. People who love technology, also wish it to be true that human qualities don’t matter and technology is the primary factor (I have had arguments on this blog about that).

    What I have discovered, when you delve into it, is a much more fascinating and human story.

    The same psychological qualities that led to the development of technology, created superior fighters on the individual level, with more courage and ferocity, than non-Western people. (From my Buddhist perspective, this is not a good thing. The West won, and invented technology, because they were more unhappy, more driven, less content and relaxed. But it is what it is.)

    Victor Davis Hanson describes the “Western way of war”, as being distinguished from indigenous peoples precisely because Western armies seek out decisive battle, direct, frontal, brutal, while others traditionally practice forms of hit and run guerilla warfare.

    In countless battles, Western armies, it turns out, fought foes without any technological advantage.

    Of course, they used technology whenever they genuinely had the advantage, but this was usually only the case initially.

    Remarkably, among the fighting classes of the West today, not the general population, this personal superiority remains the case.

    The average dumpy American kid in the Marines, is just much more effective than the “fearsome” Muslim militias of Iraq.

    The really important thing to recognize, is that when the West relies on technology, it does poorly. This goes completely against the narrative.

    When Israel fought in Lebanon in 2006, the IDF was in the midst of a transition towards a new doctrine of reliance on technology and air power. Consequently, the ground forces were neglected, training schedules cut back, supplies low, and morale low.

    Superior technology was going to win.

    Except it almost led to disaster. Only when infantry grunts on the ground realized it was up to them, did they finally start winning all their infantry battles in Lebanon.

    So the truth is more interesting 🙂

  278. Beckow says:
    @AP

    I will only address details, since you and I don’t ever agree on the big picture :).

    Small Germany occupied much of Europe…

    Hardly small, Germany included Austria, Czechia, Alsace-Lorraine and most of today’s Poland. The following countries joined Germany in the attack on Russia: Italy, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia, Finland.
    Norway, Belgium, France, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands and others provided volunteers and material. There were even “neutral” Swedes fighting in Russia.

    Doesn’t leave much of Europe left, does it?

    (WWI) not fought primarily by unwilling conscripts

    Yes, it was. All major participants other than UK relied almost 100% on conscription. At the very beginning there was some enthusiasm, but less than is generally assumed, a few thousand yahoos screaming at squares. After that it was all forced conscription all the time.

    Regarding Cortez, Brits in India, …: let’s try a simple mental test: would they go in without knowing that they had superior weapons? would they go in to fight one-on-one? Obviously not. One can argue that their bravery was fed by the feeling of having an upper hand. Is a 200 kg bully “brave” when he attacks a group of small children? By any normal standards that is not bravery. In situations where Westerners (in the last few generations) encountered strong enough opposition they always lost. They are simply not good fighters, definitely not today.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AP
  279. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    Ok, I actually agree with some of your points, and I’m glad that you don’t seem to be hoping for a war as I suspected. I even agree that German arrogance towards its eastern neighbours is a problem (in that spirit I apologize for my negative comment about Slovakia). Still, I really think you should consider whether your generalizations about Western states and their peoples are in any way constructive. One can criticize Western policies without going on and on about how the British or other Westerners are just cowards who enjoy brutalizing the weak.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Svidomyatheart
  280. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    Norway, Belgium, France, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands and others provided volunteers and material.

    The volunteers from Western Europe were of negligible military importance, their real value lay in propaganda. Most people in occupied Western and northern Europe didn’t have the slightest interest in fighting for Germany (obviously would have preferred not to be occupied by Germany), yet you always make it sound as if there had been some huge enthusiasm there for the war against the Soviet Union.

    Regarding Cortez, Brits in India, …: let’s try a simple mental test: would they go in without knowing that they had superior weapons? would they go in to fight one-on-one?

    This has been discussed on this blog before, but at least in the Indian case there wasn’t a huge technological gap, Indian states had long used firearms and cannons, and in the later wars against Mysore, the Marathas or the Sikhs the British faced enemies that had adopted European style-infantry tactics and drill, with the result that these wars were pretty hard-fought.

    In situations where Westerners (in the last few generations) encountered strong enough opposition they always lost.

    Like where? The reasons for Western defeats in the former colonial world were mostly political (prohibitive costs, loss of support for the war at home etc.), apart from Dien Bien Phu, was there ever an occasion where Western forces were really defeated in open battle?

  281. Dmitry says:
    @German_reader

    20 000 British soldiers were killed?

    Their commander wrote in the diary in the evening “Very successful attack this morning… All went like clockwork… The battle is going very well for us”.
    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/heritage/the-somme-never-were-so-many-sacrificed-for-so-little-1.2640931

    Western men today would probably be too soft for something of the

    Teenagers in 1914-1918, were also too soft, to avoid their bodies cut apart, bleed to death, intestines falling out of the stomach, etc. And these mostly were almost children at the time their bodies were broken by the industrial weapons produced by bourgeois capitalism. This mass produced technology and heavy steel, used to destroy soft bodies of that generation of young men, before they had much of chance to enjoy them.

    die for the shitty anti-national systems of today’s Western Europe

    You can can complain about “shitty” Putin, Merkel, Erdogan, Johnson, Macron, etc. And there is much reason. But you are not currently lying in a mud, cut in half by an artillery shell, trying to stop your intestines falling out of your body.

    You are probably sitting in some comfortable luxury in Heidelberg, with soft music playing in the background. It’s lucky you and me (and all of us here) were born a century later.

    Putin and Merkel have not resulted in me losing many limbs, or other body parts, unlike what would be probable for men our age if born a century earlier, in such Tannenberg or Somme

    So I’ll thank Pultin/Merkel, they haven’t painfully cut our bodies without anesthetic, into unnatural pieces, unlike those politicians of a century ago.

    so-called Pals battalions, in which men from the same localities had enlisted en masse out of patriotic fervor.

    Or information restriction by the rulers, to the young people they ruled, and then send to pre-place spaces for randomized re-arrangement of their bodies by industrialized weapons.

    Then information restriction to their families and wider society about the “operation” they have send the young people (after brainwashing with happy songs and pictures). https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36149839

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Barbarossa
  282. Yevardian says:
    @Barbarossa

    This is similar to the dynamic under the Roman Empire.

    The Roman Empire was also technologically static (a few construction methods aside), politically unstable, reactionary and inwards looking, with a stagnant or declining (infanticide was extremely popular, the elite were mostly barren) population, slave-dependent, and generally an awful place to live for the vast majority of its population.
    Again, this is adressing the Empire the Republic and then Dominate evolved into.

    The Germanic tribes did Western Civilisation a great service in destroying it, the Germanic had long since picked up whatever positive technological and governing skills the Romans had. In fact, living standards (measurable in average height of skeletons) and local governance overall greatly improved following the Western Empire’s collapse. In fact, the Roman reconquest of Italy (and to a lesser extent, North Africa) resulted in far more destruction and instability than any of the Germanic ‘barbarian’ invasions.
    The real dark ages were triggered by Europe’s loss of access to the Mediterranean following the Arab/Islamic conquests, cutting it off from Antiquity’s core population centres, world trade, and (crucially) papyrus. The rise of (then) relatively very primitive peoples like the Slavs, Magyars and Turks would doubtfully have occurred had classical civilisation not been fatally weakened by the Islamic conquests.
    Yes, I’m follower of Henri Pirenne, as German_Reader has probably already guessed.

    Anyway, yes, had the full Roman Empire survived, Europe’s history and culture certainly would have resembled China far more. But on balance, I think this would have been a great net negative to world civilisation.

  283. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    So I’ll thank Pultin/Merkel, they haven’t painfully cut our bodies without anesthetic, into unnatural pieces, unlike those politicians of a century ago.

    Thank the atom, instead.

    • Agree: Mikel
    • Replies: @Mikel
  284. Yevardian says:
    @A123

    For a minority to have persistence it must have non-Han wives. This is why the Turk ethnic Uighurs (a.k.a. Weigers) pose such difficulty for the CCP. They will not marry Han.

    That’s (surprisingly) a very reasonable statement from you, although I suspect Islam’s activist universalism plays a much larger role, given its capacity for inspiring loyalties that transcend even ethnicity. Tibet has been quiet for sometime.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Why do you always signature with this crap? And could you stop it?

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @A123
  285. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    I happen to think that constructive discussion is not much of a discussion. But as far back as 4th grade I was accused of a lack of constructive thinking and bad teamwork, so you may be on to something :).

    about how the British or other Westerners are just cowards who enjoy brutalizing the weak.

    Now, you are caricaturing what I said. I didn’t mention enjoyment. But the dominant Western narratives (even here on Unz) need to be challenged. I am simply pointing out alternative ways we can look at these things – we all see that Westerners almost to a man have absorbed a lot of one-sided drivel and myths about the world, doesn’t that bother you? Isn’t it helpful to challenge it, even if any challenge for logistic reasons has to be one-sided?

    The key point in today’s Europe (EU, really) is whether it will be European and run for the benefit of Europeaness – or whether it will be a weak appendage to the Anglo-Atlanticist dream and its associated liberal manias. What Western Europeans don’t get is that the dominant – often more quiet – view in Eastern Europe is that Westerners cannot be trusted, that they tried some horrible things before (WWII), that they lied about it, and that today they lie about other things. You recoil when hearing it, but it just makes future EU that much more dysfunctional. Feedback is a gift…

    • Replies: @German_reader
  286. Yevardian says:
    @Beckow

    With each other Westerners fought brutally – and mostly involuntarily as conscripts.

    This is so utterly and demonstrably false (especially when comparing to the history of Eastern Europe, let alone the world at large) that it’s simply not worth taking time to cite the countless-examples to refute it.

    They always counted on better arms, surprise, bribery of locals

    Yes, the British should have attempted to conquer Ind*a with primitive matchlocks and archers, and antagonised all the local elites, so it would have been a fair fight.

    Too bad it seems to have ended, how are you going to implement your liberal dreams? Today even a nominal casualty or resistance scares the West off.

    Well, the key word is *today*. It’s rather stupid to extrapolate contemporary mentalities of people to those of centuries ago. The Italians should be great fighters, given their Roman heritage.

    • Agree: AP
  287. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    doesn’t address the problems of today. It’s for history books.

    Why is self-determination nationalism with republicanism, democracy, opposition to tyranny, for “history books”?

    As in this discussion, we are talking about the Russian Federation. Lessons we all know from Russia, include as an example that it is better to be occupying other nationalities than occupied by other nationalities (better to be an imperialist, than a victim of imperialism), but even being a occupier is no utopia, and results in its own long term difficulties.

    And as for the other dreams of the 19th century self-determination and nationalism. How would you draw the politicians, not to say Kadyrov, in Italian opera? I could see some as Baron Scarpia.

    Not nicer, but more supplicating.

    They usually seem nice though. Even Kirkorov seems nice, Basta extremely nice, Timati is charming. But that is the impression they are filtered for by their reality. Court jesters need to use a charming attitude at all times.

    Morgenshtern left the country? Did he go to Georgia or the Emirates, something like that? If he really is gone, then his life is collapsing as we speak, and all because of a short phrase

    I doubt it is because he said Victory Day was too much, but because of drugs. And this is a standard hazing of celebrities – even Kirkorov and Pugacheva have this. Even Timati.

    Morgenshtern climbed so fast though. He will surely “catch” something from the authorities, but he if wants to be the next Timati , hemight soon be making videos of song probably written by Sobyanin as in Timati (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x37femd6jo.)

    Timati is old news, what is he, like, 40? Morgenshtern is now more popular

    Timati was the highest income receiver for 2020,
    Morgenshtern second, Basta third. ( https://www.forbes.ru/forbeslife/448065-reper-morgenstern-stal-samym-popularnym-artistom-v-rossii-po-versii-spotify )

    Remember Morgenshtern most popular song in 2020 was with Timati (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk4hVPN_F0.)

    Kremlin is trying to negotiate with him. They’re asking him to come back and behave and then things will be fine and dandy.

    Morgenshtern is one of the most popular properties of “Black Star”, so they are not going to throw him away.

    Morgenshtern also has a contract with Alfa Group, which is the same employer of Putin’s oldest daughter, of Lavrov’s daughter’s husband, etc.

    Although Morgenshtern hasn’t been bought yet for millions of dollars yet by Boris Rotenberg, unlike Egor Creed. Egor Creed also friends with like Prigozhin https://www.vokrug.tv/article/show/15581253581/

    • Replies: @LatW
  288. @Dmitry

    I agree with you that we have been born at what is in some ways an apogee. It’s been down hill for a while now though and likely to get worse. As things get more unstable I suppose we’ll see what unpleasantness is in store.

    That’s a great front page. War propaganda is always the best. Just like how America was doing so well in Afghanistan for so many years! If the strategizing was as good as the propaganda just think what could have been!

    • Agree: Not Raul
  289. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    I’m not sure that we can put the explanation purely on the spiritual plane.

    It is curious how nearsightedness still seems to be increasing in Japan. I would say that the high levels of it, associated with urbanization, signify a mismatch between the modern Japanese environment and the mode of living that Japanese are evolved to have. In other words, a mismatch with their genes.

    I believe a similar thing explains low TFR.

    Perhaps, it is the education system affecting both things. And, maybe, it is the long school hours, the hours of homework, than translate into the long work hours.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @John Regan
  290. @Yevardian

    Certainly you have a point with much of what you wrote, and I won’t dispute it all. The Empire became very decadent in ways that often mirror the West today.

    Some of your criticisms of Rome could be equally leveled against almost any ancient civilization. For example, I don’t see that Rome was technologically static compared to anyone else in the pre-modern world. Everyone was pretty technologically static.

    I don’t think your points actual disprove my previous point though. The Roman Empire gained many advantages from utilizing those from the provinces under the umbrella of the greater Roman culture. They failed to keep their cultural and population core vital though, which eventually lead to the decadence which was their downfall. In many ways the Roman ways outlived the Romans significantly.

  291. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    I always like to make everything spiritual, lol 🙂

    In our culture, we always reach for material explanations, so it’s a useful corrective.

    One of the silly things about Faustian culture, is that it is sort of autistic, in that it cannot imagine people might not be ambitious. It’s literally unimaginable to them.

    So Japanese decline, can’t be a loss of ambition, a reorientation of life towards different values. They literally cannot understand such a possibility.

    It’s a sort of cultural autism.

    Now, I am going to provide a spiritual dimension to your “genetic” explanation 🙂

    Not that your genetic explanation is wrong, but it can just as easily be expressed in spiritual terms. Modernity, is spiritually ill suited to the Japanese, who respond by developing various dysfunctions, like low TFR and poor eyesight.

    I’m not suggesting Japan is anywhere near where it needs to be on the path of de-modernising, only that it’s lost much of it’s intense ambition that it developed as part of modernising in response to the West.

    I am seeing the first signs of this in America too.

    • Thanks: songbird
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @Mikel
  292. Mikel says:
    @songbird

    Thank the atom, instead.

    Indeed.

    And even so, it remains to be seen if they won’t eventually decide that we must suffer a thermonuclear Armageddon instead. In the long run I am not very optimistic.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  293. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    In fact, living standards (measurable in average height of skeletons) and local governance overall greatly improved following the Western Empire’s collapse.

    I don’t know, there’s that book by Bryan Ward-Perkins, in which he makes exactly the opposite case (with lots of charts and figures), arguing that material conditions (and not just for elites, but for the general population) declined drastically with the fall of the western empire and didn’t recover for centuries. I’m not saying he’s 100% correct, but it’s an argument that imo can’t be easily dismissed.
    That being said, I would agree that in the very long run the fall of the Roman empire was a good thing for Europe’s development. It’s just sad that so much of ancient literature was lost.

  294. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    What Western Europeans don’t get is that the dominant – often more quiet – view in Eastern Europe is that Westerners cannot be trusted, that they tried some horrible things before (WWII), that they lied about it

    I don’t know who’s supposed to be lying about the terrible things Germans (not “Westerners”) did during WW2, certainly not German politicians with their endless rituals of national self-flagellation. However you’re probably right that Eastern Europeans have reason to be wary, since too many Western Europeans are indeed condescending and arrogant, and believe the East should just shut up and listen to Western lectures. I would even agree that there’s something perverse about the attitude of many Germans who think their warped anti-national culture they’ve adopted as atonement for Nazi crimes should be a model for others, and who get hysterical about its rejection by Easterners. And yes, eventually that attitude is going to lead to grief, as is already discernible in regard to Poland and Hungary. However, you can still point that out without sounding like some resentful African going off on weird tangents about what the British and other colonialists did or didn’t do in colonial wars.

    • Agree: Coconuts
    • Replies: @Beckow
  295. @AaronB

    On Japan, I would argue that it is more a case of burn-out and anomie than it is a Buddhist nirvana of happiness. It seems like the young in Japan have a few too many social pathologies for it to be entirely that rosy.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  296. @Yevardian

    I’ve known that after an initial cultural & economic shock that lasted several centuries, feudalism allowed a much stronger improvement of the European economic structure & technological capacities from the level of agriculture up. Western Europe had become more densely populated before the Black Death than at the height of the Roman Empire, while most of the East’s population stagnated. Even if some techs were lost in the middle of this, they were more than compensated by broad-based productivity improvements that were not possible in the Roman slave-based economy.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
  297. @Mikel

    It will mostly come as a WWIII between America-EU & China-Russia. We can drop to 500 million in several months.

  298. Asur . says:
    @Beckow

    The Western character when attacking – that’s what I was discussing – was greedy and adventurous, but essentially cowardly.

    Like the childrens crussade were a bunch of peasants without military training from all around europe travelled to anatolia and fought against the turks thousands of miles away from home , a chapter that finally end with the arrival of novility and the conquest of jerusalem ?

    The are hundred of events like this in european history Hitler hinself declared how eager for adventure and glory were all their countryman and how those values superceded the death .

    In today’s world you can find such people practicing extreme risk sports, an adventous character and contempt for death seems to flourish among people of European origin.

    Offtopic its my imagination or does unz become very defensive when dealing with Indians?

    • Replies: @Mikel
    , @Yevardian
  299. AaronB says:
    @Barbarossa

    On Japan, I would argue that it is more a case of burn-out and anomie than it is a Buddhist nirvana of happiness.

    Those are loaded terms. Burnout and anomie, may just be our materialist cultures way of describing dissatisfaction with a life based on ambition.

    Our culture does not have positive complimentary terms to describe loss of interest in a way of life based on ambition, because it is incapable of recognizing that as a value.

    On the individual level, also, we are conditioned to view loss of ambition as something negative like a “burnout”. So the individual may indeed experience his sudden loss of ambition as pleasurable, but be guilty about that and be culturally conditioned to experience his pleasure as a negative.

    I remember once in my 20s, before I got into religion and asian philosophy, I was driving near Las Vegas once and was just content and happy – I don’t really know why. But I remember thinking I didn’t really need anything more than what I had at that moment. It was a perfect moment 🙂

    However, my culture had conditioned me to see contentment as “bad”, and I saw this state as a threat – so I immediately tried to shake it off, and wondered what was wrong with me.

    My culture had conditioned me to see contentment and happiness as threats. Years later, I had broken free of my conditioning, but it wasn’t easy.

    It seems like the young in Japan have a few too many social pathologies for it to be entirely that rosy.

    Absolutely, I’m not suggesting Japan has reached any kind of perfect state. Not at all.

    Even the term Satori generation, is often used ironically and critically, and many older people lament the loss of ambition among the young. And there is not, on the whole, nearly enough positive cultural messages surrounding a value system that doesn’t prioritize material ambition.

    To give you a flavor of traditional Japanese values, and what Japan ought to resurrect, a very popular book from I believe the 17th century, written by a Buddhist monk, called “Essays in Idleness”.

    Of course, I was drawn to the title, and it an enjoyable book to read even today.

    Still, it is a step towards spiritual health – much like Americans suddenly discovered during the pandemic that they don’t actually want to sacrifice themselves to pointless work, and are quitting en masse, or china’s Lie Flat movement.

  300. @AaronB

    I am seeing the first signs of this in America too.

    I would agree with you there, although it is happening in a very divergent way. You have some people that are checking out in an entirely negative way. They will be the ones populating Zuckerberg’s god-forsaken Metaverse.

    On the other hand many young people are looking for meaning in ways that are positive; focusing more on relationships and less on illusory status seeking. I know a lot of young people who are having children, buying houses, and bringing their children up with a religious and moral compass.

    I see the future being extremely bifurcated, even more so than it already is, with very little in common between these two groups.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  301. Mikel says:
    @AaronB

    Be it spiritual or genetic, I am thankful that the Japanese decline is not so pronounced yet. That allows me to enjoy my Mazda SUV, my Kubota tractor and my multiple Makita and Hitachi tools. Fantastic pieces of technology. It may sound very selfish but I get a lot of benefits from the Japanese still living in a culture of unhappiness.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  302. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Hardly small, Germany included Austria, Czechia, Alsace-Lorraine and most of today’s Poland.

    Czechs were eager collaborators, Alsatians not so much.

    Germany of 1939 including Austria, Sudetenland, and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia had a population of 86.7 million people. USSR had 168.5 million people.

    The following countries joined Germany in the attack on Russia: Italy, Romania, Hungary, Croatia, Slovakia, Finland.

    Hungary had 9 million people and Romania 19 million, and Finland 3.7 million. Italy, Slovakia, Croatia had minimal contribution.

    If you are going to add Hungary, Romania and Finland than you might as well as the UK and the USA for the Soviets. The Western allies destroyed ~10% of the German land forces and ~30% of the German airpower, which was more of a contribution than was done by Hungary, Romania and Finland.

    Norway, Belgium, France, Spain, Denmark, Netherlands

    Tiny amount of volunteers.

    In addition to attacking much larger and much more populated USSR with its Hungarian, Finnish and Romanian allies, while getting attacked by air from the West, Germany was occupying hostile Poland, France, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Netherlands, etc.

    WWI) not fought primarily by unwilling conscripts

    Yes, it was. All major participants other than UK relied almost 100% on conscription.

    Just because service was compulsory does not mean it was unwilling or that participation was unenthusiastic. Voting in Australia is compulsory – does that mean most Australian voters do so unwillingly? There were not mass draft evasion and/or mutiny as in the case of the unpopular American Vietnam War, other than in specific cases such as the Irish or among the French of Quebec (who didn’t like the English and didn’t want to fight for France who betrayed them). While the English were all volunteers in the first years of the war (2.7 million men!), in the other countries even those not chosen for the draft stepped forward in huge numbers. In Germany alone about 500,000 men who were missed by the draft volunteered.

    Indeed, internationalist socialists were bitterly disappointed that rather than unite in solidarity with their fellow workers across national lines, the French, Germans, Englishmen gladly and freely slaughtered each other by the millions instead.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @Beckow
  303. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    Why is self-determination nationalism with republicanism, democracy, opposition to tyranny, for “history books”?

    Those things are a given in today’s political systems, but things like ethnonationalism and WN are not. Movements such as Nouvelle Droite in France exist within the republican system and try to work within it to achieve certain goals (accepting democracy just not liberal democracy).

    I doubt it is because he said Victory Day was too much, but because of drugs.

    I don’t know, something doesn’t look clean there. If he is in Dubai only for vacation and comes back soon, we’ll see. But the longer he stays there, the more serious it looks. But afaik he doesn’t have any more live shows scheduled for the remainder of the year. And he didn’t say “Victory Day was too much”, but that the whole ruling ethos is not right (that Russia dwells in its past and nothing big has been achieved to be proud of — btw, I don’t fully agree there).

    As to the drug part, it’s true that his videos promote not just drug use but also promiscuity, etc., he’s entertaining and his videos are well done but they should ALL be 18+. It’s way over the top, especially in videos such as Aristokrat. But the ironic thing is that it is probably younger teenagers who like that kind of a style and those that are over 18 probably find it already infantile. Those lyrics are kind of difficult to do linguistic analysis on as they don’t explicitly encourage the use of drugs but vice is being promoted / glorified through his attitude and stature.

    And even if it is a drug issue, then why does he have to leave the country? If you’re saying that he’s so close with Timati, Alfa Bank, what not, shouldn’t he be able to arrange something with them to let him be free?

    Btw, he is more original than Timati and it’s not like Timati’s videos have not promoted promiscuity.
    From what I understood, he overcame Timati in terms of popularity among the youth. But from what he was telling Sobchak, he was also kind of at the cross roads of what he wanted to do, he said he was a bit tapped out and had to figure out where to go next. Maybe he doesn’t want to be a “court jester”. He’s still so young that maybe he just wanted to escape all these recent problems. He’d fit in great in a place like Dubai.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  304. @Barbarossa

    I’m kinda hikikomori but for me the Metaverse is the scourge of both internet & real life. I never tried anything VR, and I actually know what can happen if a metaverse goes wrong from 2 major anime-game series I heard of.

    If someone in a high position made VR use mandatory this would be my last straw to quit the system.

    [MORE]

    Sword Art Online & Princess Connect. Both involve players being trapped in a VRMMORPG setting, which is a metaverse in all but name. I know the plot of Princess Connect, both the original mobile game & its current sequel, and the trap in the plot of this series won’t be resolved for the foreseeable future.

    It’s astounding that the original light novel of Sword Art Online was written at first in 2006.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @sher singh
  305. The common thread between Nazi racialism and the COVID safety regime is the principal focus on a form of biological purity: Nazis were obssessed with the racial purity of the Aryan race while COVID safety establishment is obssessed with the immunological purity of the vaccinated. This explains why the Outgroup (Jews/the antivaxx) must be prosecuted with utmost zeal.

    It’s even more astounding to see how it was the left-wing that opposed Nazism and the right-wing that opposed the COVID safety regime.

    (I suspect Mussolini would perhaps surprisingly act like Lukashenko, at least initially. Italian race laws were first enacted to court Hitler’s favor but ended up being sincerely enforced by the time of RSI.)

    • Agree: Barbarossa, Beckow
    • Replies: @Beckow
  306. Journal “Wired” printed some rosy future predictions for next 25 years in 1997, but also had some negative scripts, which could throw wrench into all that happiness. Amazingly (or not), but almost all those negative options became real:

    https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-zen_doc/2808638/pub_61a5b1dc8b2a2c7e39776a1a_61a5b2153130e427893997e5/scale_1200

    https://archive.org/details/eu_Wired-1997-07_OCR/page/n129/mode/2up

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  307. Coconuts says:
    @German_reader

    I think you are right, I remember some of those previous threads on WW2. But the perspective on the various colonial wars of Western countries is again obviously detached from history, in a similar direction. I also recall other comments he has made in the past which seemed peculiar in a directly racialist way (like, ‘can anyone has R1b and who lacks R1a DNA even be honourable in the first place?’) so the pattern suggested to me some sort of racially motivated trolling, even if it is sincere.

    The fact he sounds like he is repeating Frantz Fanon and the current crop of non and anti-white Western identitarians, very much part of the dominant narrative here, is probably just due to old far-left talking points gaining so much currency lately.

  308. Coconuts says:
    @AP

    I don’t think the Irish were subject to conscription by Britain in WW1, but many volunteered anyway. Two of my great grandfathers and several of their brothers did. I am guessing it was motivated by interest in adventure and seeing different places.

  309. @sudden death

    I haven’t read the whole article, but I’ll get to it later. The thing that jumped right out to me is that from a 1997 print date the 25 year boom they were predicting is right about over anyhow.

    Thanks for sharing that.

  310. Mr. Hack says:

    Only when a Democrat invokes a travel ban is it considered “follow the science”.
    In the past “smash and grab” was called LOOTING. I am surprised that the “woke” keepers of the language have not yet adopted the phrase “undocumented shoppers” for the term LOOTERS.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Beckow
    , @Barbarossa
  311. A123 says: • Website
    @Yevardian

    Islam’s activist universalism plays a much larger role, given its capacity for inspiring loyalties that transcend even ethnicity.

    Actually this shows just the reverse. Islam is rooted in ethnicity. Muslims of Turkish ethnicity will not marry ethnic Hans.

    This is consistent with race based Islam in the U.S. and Europe. BLM is a core value to the Islamic race-based faith system. See photo evidence up at #100.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-170/#comment-5035638

    There is a contradiction in the concept of Muslim universalism. In practice it transcends little or nothing. While you can find a wide array of races across the globe, each racial sub-group rarely mixes with other Islamists. Ethnic divisions are frequently the flash point for Muslim vs. Muslim violence, such as Turk vs. Kurd hostilities. Persian vs. Arab is flash point keeping Iraq in disarray.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    Why do you always signature with this crap? And could you stop it?

    Why is it crap?
    Why would I stop it?

    -1- My country has been taken over via a coup. We have an illegitimate leader in Not-The-President Biden. Opposition to the current state of affairs is necessary.

    -2- Humor is an effective form of communication:

    Saul Alinsky: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage.”

    Look at how much blind panic this simple technique evoked from known #NeverTrump advocates, such as @iffen.

    -3-

     

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
  312. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Expecting rationality or consistency from Leftoids is hoping for far too much. Regardless of theoretical IQ, a complete lack of common sense is required to support Open Borders, Green Energy, & similar policies.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

     

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  313. AaronB says:
    @Mikel

    I also appreciate Japanese quality.

    Until about 10 years ago, whenever I’d rent cars I’d insist on a Japanese models – the Americans were comically bad. Although today, the Americans have largely caught up, and make good cars it seems.

    Still, when hunting for a car recently to buy, I insisted on Japanese, and ended up with a Toyota 🙂

    While the Japanese no longer want to conquer the world economically, or in any other way, traditional Japanese culture has always been devoted to meticulous craftsmanship. It’s a spiritual discipline and activity for them – to “lose yourself” in an activity, where you meld with what you’re making.

    So I don’t think you have to worry about losing your beloved Japanese examples of craftsmanship 🙂

    • Agree: German_reader
    • Replies: @songbird
  314. I can lose everything but I can’t stand being jailed and/or sent to a concentration camp. (Lockdowns don’t count since I’m still at home and I own everything in there)

  315. Beckow says:
    @AP

    ….Czechs were eager collaborators, Alsatians not so much.

    Right….:) the idiotic evasive quip summarises your lack of integrity. You manipulate and fail. Alsatian actually FOUGHT in the German armies, get that? Alsace was annexed to Germany, local Nazis and all, not a single act of resistance in Alsace – they were quite happy. Czechs? yeah, they manufactured arms, drunk beer, and occasionally killed a few Germans – Heydrich was the highest ranking Nazi killed in WWII – in Prague.

    Your dismissal of Italy in WWII is bizarre, they sent their best army to invade Russia, 300k soldiers, with 60-70% casualties. They fought in Stalingrad, etc…”minimal“? Again, your lack of honesty is sad.

    In WWII almost all of continental Europe invaded Russia. Some more, some less. There were volunteers from France, Belgium, Norway who not only fought in the east, but committed major atrocities. All of them manufactured and supplied the attack: Czechs, Poles, but also French, Swedes (yes, enthusiastically), Dutch, etc…

    They lost very badly. I think that’s what really riles you, so you lie to yourself. Get over it.

    WWI was fought by conscripts with a very few exceptions. All your meandering verbiage doesn’t change anything about it. Conscripts, as in they had to go or often be executed if they refused. So much for the enthusiasm that you find in the old film reels.

    And now? are you ready to invade Russia again? are you itching to get another drubbing or are we just going for extinction at this point? this is where the kinds of historical stupidity that you display here has led. Let’s at least enjoy it.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @AP
  316. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Good one :)… For the looting the proper term to use is “group shopping“. Of course, only some groups get to shop that way. The method can be broadened, no reason why institutions or even private homes couldn’t be visited by a group.

    To make you feel better: at this point they are just f…ing with you, they want to see how far they can take it, they are laughing their heads off behind the scenes. They love the way desperate people pine for “the next election“. Right, sure it will show them, finally!!!

    Same way, Florida is held up as a reservation, as unconquered land of common sense – similarly, rulers in the past would randomly pardon a few people, or forget about some who managed to escape. It is good for the moral. You know, the hope thing.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  317. Beckow says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    …The common thread between Nazi racialism and the COVID safety regime is the principal focus on a form of biological purity

    There is a similarity on many levels, but it is – yet – too remote for the analogy to be very useful. It is more the Nazi obsession with hygiene that is being replayed today – in a degraded, often stupid way. There were racial fanatics in Germany, but the bulk of support was driven by a peculiar German hygiene obsession. They thought that the others were dirty, spread diseases, didn’t shower enough. In a number of cases, Germans would separate, even refuse to touch the unter-menschen, a deep pathological fear of dirt.

    An interesting aside is that the German culture is imbued with a deep “sh..t” complex, their humor, folklore, dirty words. I was once attacked by a nice German lady because I sat on the top of a park bench with my feet on the seat – she was livid with horror (and rightly so, I must admit :).

    The current Covid mania is a perfect material: unlimited safety, purity, and the unspoken fear of the “others”. The latest pandemic toll is – 2020-2021 percent of population who died of C19:

    North America 0,186 %
    Europe 0,172 %
    Asia 0,025 %
    Africa 0,016 %
    Australia 0,006 %
    World 0,063 %

    Nothing to sneeze at, but for God sake, after 2 years we are still in small fractions of one percent! And the average victim is 79 years old (70% are obese 70%, often very sick). I better take another shower…

  318. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    I like these cartoons because they accurately highlight a political point and use cynicism in a very effective way, often more poignantly than a written text. Here’s another one that I’ve recently viewed as well:

    The Salvation Army is on record as supporting Critical Race Theory – they have gone “woke”! They are now teaching their leaders that people of color deserve special treatment for past sins of white people. The Salvation Army is a Christian organization that is now embracing a philosophy of racism that actually is highly un-Christian. Donations are down.

    • Replies: @A123
  319. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Alsatian actually FOUGHT in the German armies, get that? Alsace was annexed to Germany

    Only 2,000 Alsatians volunteered to fight for Germany. About 130,000 were conscripted; 40,000 evaded the draft or deserted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malgr%C3%A9-nous

    Czechs very eagerly supplied the Germans with war material and the Nazis still controlled much of Czechia when they surrendered.

    not a single act of resistance in Alsace

    You lie as usual.

    https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9sistance_en_Alsace_et_en_Moselle_annex%C3%A9es

    Your dismissal of Italy in WWII is bizarre, they sent their best army to invade Russia, 300k soldiers, with 60-70% casualties

    They indeed fought very poorly and their contribution was rather useless. Their misadventures in the Balkans cost Germany time and men.

    During World War II the Western allies cost the Germans 10% land casualties and 30% air casualties. Do you think the Italians, Romanians and Hungarians added similar value to the war against the Soviets? Try not to evade this issue this time.

    If they did not, then the two variables canceled each other out and you can just compare little Germany versus the USSR.

    were volunteers from France, Belgium, Norway who not only fought in the east

    As has been pointed out to you, tiny numbers of each.

    WWI was fought by conscripts with a very few exceptions

    2.6 million Englishmen, 500,000 German volunteers were “very few exceptions?”

    But somehow a few thousand Belgian volunteers in World War I were meaningful according to you?

    Conscripts, as in they had to go

    Conscription was popular policy, is it hard to understand?

    or often be executed if they refused

    How often?

    And now? are you ready to invade Russia again? are you itching to get another drubbing

    Russia plus Ukraine plus Central Asia barely defeated little Germany that was simultaneously fighting the UK and the West while occupying Europe. And you think that Russia alone will defeat Ukraine plus the entire West (why else bring up the West in your posts?). Or in your Soviet rage are you hoping for a limited invasion of Ukraine?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Aedib
    , @Beckow
  320. Ron Unz says:
    @Yevardian

    The Germanic tribes did Western Civilisation a great service in destroying it, the Germanic had long since picked up whatever positive technological and governing skills the Romans had. In fact, living standards (measurable in average height of skeletons) and local governance overall greatly improved following the Western Empire’s collapse.

    That’s very interesting and totally contrary to the traditional impression I’d always had. How solid is the evidence and how recently become a topic of debate among academic specialists?

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Yevardian
  321. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    Florida is held up as a reservation, as unconquered land of common sense –

    And Florida is well known as a land of retirees, pensioners and other “worthless and unproductive” fodder that you’ve often railed against at this blog that need to somehow be eviscerated and eliminated from social security and other social program blotters that benefit the elderly. Think about it Beckow, by doing this, you’d be ruining the last bastion of those with “common sense” in America. What a shame? Nobody would be left to lead the young back from the land of woke and make believe. 🙂

    • Replies: @Beckow
  322. German_reader says:
    @AP

    Czechs very eagerly supplied the Germans with war material

    Saying they did so “eagerly” is probably unfair, it was more like open resistance was seen as pointless and leading only to greater repression and reprisals. The occupation wasn’t as bloody as in Poland, but still brutal enough at certain times; e. g. in Heydrich’s first two months as protector there were 400 executions, and more than 3000 were sent to concentration camps in the winter of 1941/42 (according to Robert Gerwarth, Hitler’s hangman. The life of Heydrich, p. 227; there’s quite a bit of interesting information about the protectorate in that book, even if it’s obviously focused on the time until Heydrich’s assassination). Obviously Nazi goals (which amounted at least to the destruction of Czech nationhood through forced Germanization) weren’t attractive at all to Czechs. So there couldn’t have been much collaboration based on ideological agreement, unlike with certain German allies like Romania.

    • Replies: @AP
  323. A123 says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    I like these cartoons because they accurately highlight a political point and use cynicism in a very effective way, often more poignantly than a written text.

    I do like the technique. Leftoids have become grim and joyless. Humor makes Populism attractive to moderates and swing voters.

    While effective, comics can over simplify. I try to bunch up multiple pure humor and political humor items so that I can leave most of them below the [MORE] tag for those who are more interested in long form text. I will probably do one in a little while.

    There is a good daily round up of political items here:

    https://www.therightreasons.net/forum/35-todays-toons/

    The Salvation Army is on record as supporting Critical Race Theory – they have gone “woke”! … Donations are down.

    Go Woke! Go Broke! Most attempts to prioritize SJW ideology over business have gone badly.

    There are a few exceptions, such as Nike. These tend to be businesses with a customer base that align with SJW values.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
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  324. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    I’m probably well known for using visual effects to embellish my commentary here. Ron Unz should be congratulated for having one of the best (if not the very best) blog space for presenting both videos and still life representations! I hope he continues with this open blog space, as he has often taken part in commenting here himself. He’d be a worthy successor to Karlin’s place here! 🙂

  325. Aedib says:
    @AP

    And you think that Russia alone will defeat Ukraine plus the entire West (why else bring up the West in your posts?). Or in your Soviet rage are you hoping for a limited invasion of Ukraine?

    Do you think Ukraine + a NATO expeditionary force have a chance battling Russia in Ukraine?

    • Replies: @AP
  326. AP says:
    @German_reader

    Saying they did so “eagerly” is probably unfair

    They were working hard in those factories and producing a lot for the Nazis whom they served. Probably productively would have been better words than eagerly.

    The Czech resistance numbers were rather low for a population in the protectorate of 7.4 million.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  327. AP says:
    @Aedib

    Beckow was discussing a massive conflict like World War II (his words: “ are you ready to invade Russia again”) which clearly implied more that. Such a war would never happen (thank God) because it would go nuclear, but the idea that Russia alone could do more against the collective West (plus Ukraine, which had been about 30% if the Soviet forces in World War II) than the entire USSR did against Germany and some small largely inconsequential allies is incredibly stupid.

    Depending on the level of NATO support the war could be very costly and bloody for Russia in Ukraine. Fortunately, the fact that Russia has only placed about 100,000 troops at Ukraine’s border suggests that it is not planning an invasion/occupation, that would be far too few for that, even for an annexation of just eastern Ukraine.

  328. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Thank you for admitting that 132k Alsatians fought in the German army. The 40k who “evaded” were French or moved to France, in other words, they were not eligible. Even you see the truth eventually.

    Italians…they indeed fought very poorly and their contribution was rather useless.

    You can say that about all of them, including the Germans. After all they lost to Russians and the whole thing was useless. But maybe you are among those who itch to redo it and see the Barbarossa disaster as a learning experience. In that case, leave the Italians at home this time, we won’t count them.
    (A small detail: Italian Alpine division fought very well and was admired by the Germans. Less than 20% made it back.)

    …that Russia alone will defeat Ukraine plus the entire West

    No, and I said so: it would be an extinction event. Do you get that?

    Nobody from the West will fight – that’s how this discussion started yesterday, about Western martial prowess in the past and now. The current situation is a triple-bluff: Kiev wants to drag in Europe, Russia wants to stare down Nato, and the West would like to prod the damn Ukies to die in large numbers fighting the damn Russkies. Let’s see who gets their wish.

    But there will be no chance to evaluate the current British, French or German martial skills: they simply will not show up. Kiev leaders know this and probably spend most of their time studying maps – towards the west, not the east!!!! – so they can escape. The lucky ones have private planes, or already sent their folks and luggage abroad.

    Hmm, on second thought, the Poles may join the fight. Are your horses and romantic poetry ready? Hurry up. Saddle up and get the tears ready, this could be over quickly.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @LatW
  329. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Thank you for admitting that 132k Alsatians fought in the German army. The 40k who “evaded” were French or moved to France, in other words, they were not eligible

    The 40,000 were conscripted but evaded and deserted. We’re the Germans conscripting ethnic French? You couldn’t help yourself and lied again.

    Now again you failed to answer whether these Italians, Alsatians etc. we’re as consequential as the western allies in the war effort.

    Italians…they indeed fought very poorly and their contribution was rather useless.

    You can say that about all of them, including the Germans

    Germans did not fight poorly. Otherwise small Germany would not have managed to conquer so much territory and to kill so many people over the years. Germany lost because it was outnumbered. The collective West (plus Ukraine) would not be outnumbered against Russia.

    A small detail: Italian Alpine division fought very well and was admired by the Germans

    All of 17,000 men. But you described the 2.6 million British and 500,000 German volunteers as “very few exceptions.”

    Are your horses and romantic poetry ready? Hurry up. Saddle up and get the tears ready, this could be over quickly.

    Last time the Poles fought the Russians with Western support they won. You must really hate that, don’t you?

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @Aedib
  330. @songbird

    As far as myopia goes Chinese writing is probably the reason for a lot of it. The visual intricacy of those hieroglyphs is astonishing. Even a young man with good eyes probably has to squint to be able to read them when printed at the same size as Western letters. Compare a random extract from the old Japanese Constitution:

    第四條天皇ハ國ノ元首ニシテ統治權ヲ總攬シ此ノ憲󠄁法ノ條規ニ依リ之ヲ行フ
    Article 4. The Emperor is the head of the Empire, combining in Himself the rights of sovereignty, and exercises them, according to the provisions of the present Constitution.

    It takes up less space to write but it sure can’t be easier to read even if you’ve drilled these things from birth.

    Japanese in recent generations obviously read more than previously (especially from screens) and so wear out their eye muscles faster. I expect the same thing will happen in China as well. In fact the same thing is already happening in China as well.

    https://radiichina.com/myopia/

    China has one of the highest childhood myopia rates in the world — over half of the population of minors in 2018, according to official statistics. And rates alarmingly seem to be on the rise — especially amongst students. In 2014, an estimated 80% of secondary school students were nearsighted. In 2018, an official survey also found that 72% of children aged between 12-14 had myopia, in comparison to 58% in 2010.

    The skyrocketing cases amongst school children led to President Xi making a statement in 2018, calling myopia “a major issue related to the future of the country, that we must attach great importance to and not allow to develop.”

    At least Chairman Xi seems to be acknowledging the problem and acting to reduce it. In the US it would probably just be blamed on systemic white privilege and then ignored.

    • Replies: @songbird
  331. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …you failed to answer whether these Italians, Alsatians etc. we’re as consequential as the western allies in the war effort.

    You are comparing apples and oranges. In terms of material help (weapons….) – let’s call them apples – the cumulative help provided by the European continent to Germany was more than enough to match Anglos help to Russia. E.g. Sweden provided to Germany 25% of its iron and steel, Czechia made 20% of tanks, France supplied everything from weapons to food, etc…In apples, about the same.

    In terms of fighting – oranges – it is 100 to zero in terms of Europeans fighting with Germany attacking Russia. We know the list, and other than UK-Ireland and a few Slav nations that were not trusted (Poland, Czechia, Serbia, Bulgaria) every other nation was there. Some with full armies, some as volunteers – and they all committed atrocities, e.g. Norway Viking SS division was among the worst killing women and children. There were no Anglos or Americans fighting anywhere on the eastern front.

    Last time the Poles fought the Russians with Western support they won.

    Did they? I must have missed that, the key is your qualification “with Western support“.

    In WWII Poland was liberated by Russians losing hundreds of thousands soldiers, the Canadians for all the talk never showed up. I am sure they are on their way this time, 300 soldiers, few horses, and lots of Powerpoint slides.

    But we should be more serious about it: Kiev is cornered, they can pull a Georgia and hope that it goes nuclear. Or they can do Georgia II – the post-Saaki one – and settle into a poor, brooding, angry, resigned existence as a backwater. I prefer Georgia II, we will see which way it goes. But there will be no Western army in Ukraine.

  332. Mikel says:
    @Asur .

    In today’s world you can find such people practicing extreme risk sports, an adventous character and contempt for death seems to flourish among people of European origin.

    It’s a different manifestation of the same spirit. I am certain that if many of the explorers, conquerors and missionaries of past centuries had been born in recent times they would be practicing extreme sports instead.

    When those people set sail to the New World their chances of returning home alive were small but they managed to discover all corners of a new continent, subjugate large empires and impose their religion and culture over vast expanses of land. It can’t have been very different from embarking on risky interplanetary travel nowadays knowing that hostile aliens may be waiting at the other end.

    Not exactly what I would call cowards. Although many of them were definitely greedy and cruel.

    For whatever reason these days extreme sports are also dominated by Europeans or their descendants but in some fields, such as mountaineering, East Asians and even South Asians have been making a lot progress lately. Not sure if this has any connection with AaronB’s theories on cultural changes in the West and East.

  333. Beckow says:
    @Mr. Hack

    There must be others living in Florida. I know you worry about your pension, but we have bigger fish to fry this time. I am encouraged by Florida, but my point was that it could be an isolated case allowed to flourish as an escape valve and a source of hope. The general trend is more in the other direction: more woke madness, more idiocy, less freedom (Twitter just went for full control).

    Regarding your “pension”: I told you before that all transactions take place in the present. It is always up to the people who work at that time to decide what to give or not give. They don’t have a contract with you – they were not around when you promised it to yourself. But maybe they will give you some, be nice.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  334. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Czechs generally work hard, or just hard enough. Remember the beer, it was cheap, plentiful and non-political. I would say Czechs never do anything eagerly, it is not in their character. They also don’t volunteer.

    Czech resistance numbers were rather low

    Sure, in 1940-44, only a few thousand – still more proportionally than France, but quite low. But you would be surprised that in May 1945, hundreds of thousands joined the resistance. And by June, over a million claimed that they were “resistors”…it was like a miracle, Russians showed up, destroyed the German army, and the Czech resistors settled scores with German civilians – 3 million were expelled. Then, back to the beer….

    There is a lesson there somewhere for Ukraine: what are the odds that most Ukrainians would cheer Russians on versus shoot at them? what do you think?

    • Replies: @AP
  335. Aedib says:
    @AP

    Certainly, the wariness of Slovaks respect to the hyena of Europe is justified.

  336. Aedib says:

    Josep Borrell, head of the EU’s foreign policy arm, said Thursday’s sanctions were “another example of our determination to act when human rights are violated”.

    https://www.intellinews.com/eu-imposes-fifth-round-of-sanctions-on-belarus-over-the-migrant-crisis-229034/?source=belarus

    Our Lord Dorwin shows another example of our determination. LOL.

  337. songbird says:
    @John Regan

    Hadn’t considered the writing system as possibly being part of the explanation.

    Oddly, when I see street footage of Asian countries, I don’t seem to see a whole lot of glasses, or at least not as many as I expect to see. Nothing like this chart for young adults:

    Singapore 82%
    Taiwan 85%
    Hong Kong 87%
    China 90%
    South Korea 96%

    https://www.optimax.co.uk/blog/short-sight-myopia-global-epidemic/

    Perhaps, most are only very mildly nearsighted? Or they wear a lot of contacts?
    ______
    A few months back there was an interesting story out of the UK. Seems as though genes associated with nearsightedness are on the increase there. I think the idea is that they are being selected for, somehow. (Though as a minor trend when compared to environmental causes, and not necessarily for their effects on eyesight.)

    Anyway, it got me thinking what might be the reason for it, as well as what Anatoly’s breeder’s might look like. Maybe, being nearsighted causes you to overlook physical flaws, or become more introverted, and thus able to form more stable relationships? But that last sounds kind of K-selected, and I think the r-crowd is winning out.

    • Replies: @PedroAstra
    , @John Regan
  338. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    some as volunteers – and they all committed atrocities, e.g. Norway Viking SS division was among the worst killing women and children.

    I looked up the chapter about Norway in David Stahel (Ed.), Joining Hitler’s crusade. European nations and the invasion of the Soviet Union 1941. The Norwegian volunteers were a few thousand, almost totally limited to members of the fascist Nasjonal Samling, which was a fringe movement in Norwegian society. Less than 0,2% of Norway’s population fought on the German side in WW2. Quisling originally wanted to raise seven bataillons, but he only got enough volunteers for one. And by mid-1943 many of the volunteers had had enough (they felt the Germans had broken too many of their promises, like using them only on the Finnish front) and left German service.
    In other words, it was militarily totally insignificant, and the same is true for all of the volunteers from occupied Western and Northern Europe. Yet you always mention them as if those volunteers, who came from a fairly small radical fringe in their countries, had somehow representend the combined effort of entire societies.

    • Agree: AP
  339. Mr. Hack says:
    @Beckow

    With no current movement afoot by anybody to lower the social security payroll tax, I’m afraid that your self projections of some sort of youth vs aged social unrest is plain silly. I’ve already tried to explain to you before that the aged, those that are receiving these benefits, are much better organized and have infinitely greater political clout than those under 30. What’s the matter, don’t you believe me?

  340. @Mr. Hack

    And the Biden administration just reinstated Trump’s “Remain in Mexico” policy towards illegals awaiting their trial dates.
    Presumably, it will be 76% less xenophobically racist than previous iteration!

    There has actually been a surprising amount of policy continuity on certain matters between Trump and Biden. Naturally the outrage is one sided. This flows both ways on occasion, since if Trump had presided over the exact same Afghan pullout the Democrats would have been frothing at the mouth.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  341. Yevardian says:
    @Asur .

    Offtopic its my imagination or does unz become very defensive when dealing with Indians?

    How so, I’ve certainly never noticed it, actually I’ve seen him comment on that strange mixture of snobbery, credentialism and rudeness, coupled brownnosing and a hypersensitivity to slights, born of an extreme inferiority complex (and probably also caste), so characteristic of Indians.

  342. LatW says:
    @Beckow

    Nobody from the West will fight – that’s how this discussion started yesterday, about Western martial prowess in the past and now.

    It’s common knowledge in Ukraine that Western troops wouldn’t physically fight (not sure about volunteers though), this is talked about on their TV & vlogosphere every day in the last couple of weeks. But the West can help with reconnaissance and other things that are very helpful. The bigger question here is not the Western troop involvement, but whether the West is ready to implement the so called “sanctions from hell” or “the diabolical sanctions”. Those would include the reduction in oil and gas purchases from Russia (is that even possible?), the arrest of the so called “Russian trillion” (assets in the West including the assets of the highest level functionaries and their families).

    Hmm, on second thought, the Poles may join the fight.

    Frankly, if Russia did invade the left bank (that’s probably all they’ll try), it might be a good idea to consider whether Polish (and other neighboring) troops could be sent to Western Ukraine. Not for fighting, as most likely there won’t be fighting in that area, but just for “friendly deployment”. Not sure how feasible this would be both politically and financially but if there were such a crisis as you describe, it would be important to at least try to protect Western Ukraine. There is already a collaboration format called the Lublin Triangle which could be bolstered.

    • Replies: @Beckow
    , @AP
  343. AP says:
    @Beckow

    You are comparing apples and oranges. In terms of material help (weapons….) – let’s call them apples – the cumulative help provided by the European continent to Germany was more than enough to match Anglos help to Russia. E.g. Sweden provided to Germany 25% of its iron and steel, Czechia made 20% of tanks, France supplied everything from weapons to food, etc

    Lend-lease provided Soviets with 30% of their aircraft, 8% of tanks, 92% of railway equipment production (freeing the Soviets to focus on building tanks) and 1/3 of trucks.

    We know the list, and other than UK-Ireland and a few Slav nations that were not trusted (Poland, Czechia, Serbia, Bulgaria) every other nation was there. Some with full armies, some as volunteers

    Once again, the Western allies killed 10% of Germany’s land forces and 30% of their air forces.

    Did the German allies of Germany kill a comparable percentage of Soviet forces? Yes or no?

    If no, then their efforts were cancelled out by the Anglo-Americans.

    And you are back to little Germany, which you accused off not being able to fight, inflicting massive damage on and almost defeating much-larger USSR.

    Last time the Poles fought the Russians with Western support they won.

    Did they? I must have missed that,

    You miss a lot.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War

    the key is your qualification “with Western support“.

    Sure. As Poland has now.

    But we should be more serious about it: Kiev is cornered, they can pull a Georgia

    Ukraine is larger than Georgia (in 2008 Georgia had 20,000 soldiers – Ukraine has 250,000) and right next to NATO supply lines. It will be much messier and much more costly for Russia. Hopefully it doesn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  344. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Africa? you don’t say. I have never been there, it seems a stretch.

    I think colonialism was stupid and the British-French today are living with the consequences of that stupidity. I also think that most evil comes out of trying to control other people – colonialism fits that nicely. But it is not my fight.

    …supposed to be lying about the terrible things Germans did during WW2

    Yes, German politicians self-flagellate in front of their bosses. They often lie, or stay silent, when mentioning other terrible things would displease their bosses. E.g., nobody knows better than Germany that Poland was two-faced and offered an alliance to Hitler, then joined in the Munich attack on Czechoslovakia, etc… Yet, when the Polish loudmouths today rewrite that uncomfortable history, Germans stay silent. Instead they tell us to worship rainbow flags and open our societies to migrants. That’s what we see.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @German_reader
  345. AP says:
    @Beckow

    what are the odds that most Ukrainians would cheer Russians on versus shoot at them? what do you think?

    Very low. Ukrainians are not Czechs, they are Eastern Slavs.

  346. Beckow says:
    @AP

    I don’t think Russia wants responsibility for Ukraine: weak economy, frustrated population, debts and poor infrastructure. So I don’t think they will go for a land invasion, it would make little sense. On the other hand, like Nato in the past, they could obliterate from air Ukrainian military bases, ports, Lviv, etc…at little cost. So they have an escalation power.

    Georgia lasted 3 days, with 10 times the army, Ukraine would last maybe a month – a month of suffering. Russia can do most damage from distance. That is the reality there.

    You keep on repeating that Ukraine has West behind it. What does it mean to you? West is not going to fight, they will provide supplies and sanction (isolate) Russia’s economy. Given that supplies to a weaker side in a war only mean longer suffering, and that Russia’s economy is already isolated, what would that accomplish?

    For example NS2 pipeline: total cost 10 billion euros, half by Russia, half Germany-Austria. It won’t go into operation and Russia will lose 5 billion. They have already made this year 8 extra billions due to higher gas prices. If there are total sanctions, energy prices will go up, Russia will make more. In any case, do you really think that existential issues like state security are decided by \$10 billion, or even \$100 billion? Think.

    • Replies: @AP
  347. Beckow says:
    @LatW

    reconnaissance and other things that are very helpful.

    Helpful how? There is not going to be a massive land war, so all this”help” is of limited value. How would the West help if Russia simply bombs from air, then let’s the Donbas troops move further? Chances are in an uneven fight like that a large percentage of Ukrainian army would run away, they are not idiots, they want to live. The few die-hards would die hard and it would be over. That’s teh way it works. Any intelligence help would be useless.

    “sanctions from hell”

    Now you are talking, this is real in some ways. But for the hundreds of billions that Russia’s oligarchs stashed in the West, there are a few hundred billion in Western assets in Russia. Could be quid pro quo. In any case, most oligarchs have other citizenships, British, Izraeli, Spanish…it would be a legal nightmare. It would also scare away all the other money (from Middle East, China….). Expropriation is a bit of a double-edge sword, ask Soviets how it worked out after 1917… The West needs to constant flow of assets from the wealthy in other parts of the world – scaring them is not in their interest. But I am all for doing it, actually it would make most people extremely happy…

    If Poland moves to Galicia it will weaken any criticism of Russia, destroy Ukraine permanently and could be ugly: unlike easterners, Galicians would probably fight, they are crazy sob’s. The key is who would get Kiev. My guess is that sooner or later a military coup will take over in Ukraine and some tough guy will reestablish order. Probably neither-West nor-Russia, but a technocrat-nationalist.

    • Replies: @LatW
  348. AP says:
    @LatW

    It’s common knowledge in Ukraine that Western troops wouldn’t physically fight (not sure about volunteers though), this is talked about on their TV & vlogosphere every day in the last couple of weeks. But the West can help with reconnaissance and other things that are very helpful.

    If the West does for Ukraine what Russia does for Donbas – constant flow of weapons and ammunition, humanitarian aid, satellite info, perhaps even air cover – without providing any boots on the ground (which Ukraine neither expects nor asks for) the attempt to conquer it would be very bloody and expensive for Russia. It could not be done with the 175,000 troops Russia has supposedly massed around Ukraine. Given that much of Ukraine’s 250,000 soldiers would be deployed in the East (plus many of the 400,000 reservists would be there), it’s doubtful that these troops would be sufficient to even just take the eastern half of the country.

    A possible (and in my opinion much more likely) alternative scenario is Russia not invading at all, but just raining a lot of missiles down on Ukraine from far away. Those 175,000 Russian troops would be more than adequate in playing a defensive role, protecting Russian territory against potential retaliatory incursions by Ukrainian forces. Of course, Ukraine now has a lot of its own missiles, though their range is about 120 km. Donbas, northern Crimea, and Russian oblast centers such as Belgorod are well within range of Ukrainian missiles, but overall this would be a more lopsided struggle. So in this case the war would be about trying to bomb Ukraine into submission while withstanding border skirmishes, in the face of massive Western sanctions and asset confiscation.

    whether the West is ready to implement the so called “sanctions from hell” or “the diabolical sanctions”. Those would include the reduction in oil and gas purchases from Russia (is that even possible?), the arrest of the so called “Russian trillion” (assets in the West including the assets of the highest level functionaries and their families).

    Could such seized assets be given to Ukraine as compensation, to rebuild after the failed but likely destructive invasion? Iranian frozen assets have been given to victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism.

    • Replies: @LatW
  349. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    use of drugs but vice is being promoted

    It is just satire, although at a simple YouTuber level. He is satirizing, which is not quite the same as promoting. And it is nonsophisticated satire, but still accurate satire about Russia.

    He’s also going to Kirkorov territory sometimes joking about his gender.

    He seems clever enough that he could write something more sophisticated if he wants. But he could already go a bit near to Russian politics and politicians with his current work.

    vice is being promoted / glorified through his attitude and stature.

    I think even kids, as long as teenagers, are aware about satire of the current realities.

    also promiscuity, etc

    Lol he returned to his girlfriend from before he was famous, married her, and throws his wife on all the videos. I don’t think you can blame him too much that he wants to show her off, considering how beautiful she is.

    Alfa Bank, what not, shouldn’t he be able to arrange something with them to let him be free?

    I would guess they are just hazing him. That’s what happens before you go into the “inner circle” (at least of the court jester) – hazing.

    You’re really following a lot on Russian politics though, by Karlin’s forum standards. This strange atmosphere with celebrities in Russia at the moment, where even Sobchak might be thrown down.

    close with Timati,

    Even Timati and Egor Creed, was prosecuted not so long ago.

    Although Timati always knows his role in life, and Egor Creed is literally now Boris Rotenberg’s property.

    he is more original than Timati and it’s not like Timati’s videos have not promoted promiscuity.
    From what I understood, he overcame Timati in terms of popularity among the youth.

    You said that Timati is old. But my generation (I am something “later millennial”) are themselves far too old to know Timati. He’s only an influence for Generation Z.

    The good popular youth culture in Russia is all imported from the West or Korea/Japan (in case of Japan, popular culture is often higher quality, almost crossing to high culture).

    So how much power can Timati have really in Russia? Not so much, but mainly as a kind of fashion brand or local style. And I think he has indeed real power in that sphere.

    Timati has his own style (which slightly cooler than copying Caucasian peoples’ beard, and adding a baseball cap).

    Timati’s main influence in this sense was on teenagers from around 2011-2020.

    When we look at how some of the Generation Z kids in Siberia before the police prosecute their disco, and are indeed singing to Morgenshtern, while trying to dress like Timati videos.

    ^ Lol Morgenshtern lyrics memorized with 2:00 girls: бич я вишу как молодой хефнер

    he doesn’t want to be a “court jester”. He’s still so young that maybe he just wanted to escape all these recent problems. He’d fit in great in a place like Dubai.

    As you said, Morgenshtern has a real popularity. You can’t replace him with Egor Creed and Dzhigan. So he should use some bargaining power. He should have to roll on the floor under Kadyrov, but he should ask for a good price.

    • Replies: @LatW
    , @LatW
  350. LatW says:
    @Beckow

    Helpful how? There is not going to be a massive land war, so all this”help” is of limited value.

    Even on a low scale ground war or hybrid like skirmishes, precise info on troop movements can help. Let’s say, Russia chooses to increase the hostilities along the border of the occupied territories (to increase the pressure of Ukraine). In this case, the info will be useful for taking out certain Russian assets. Remember also that Russia is wary that the West is providing the Javelin, possibly the Stinger missile, on top of Ukrainian own missiles. Russia has supposedly deployed technology to neutralize those anti-tank missiles in its current weapons and tank concentration on the border, so clearly they are peeved by Ukraine owning and displaying capability to use those weapons.

    Right now Russia is just trying to wear Ukraine out, creating these constant carrousels on its border, as well as hoping to prompt the West to sit down at the table to draft out “Yalta 2”. The Gerasimov strategy is at work – to sow chaos, pressurize with physical threats, but also create chaos inside of Ukraine, destabilize its institutions, etc. And Who else does that – sows chaos on earth? The Lord of Chaos. If Russia pursues this, much less bombs, then Russia becomes the embodiment of Satan and you can forget about any kind of reconciliation for a very long time. Remember, that this also creates risks for Russia itself. Frankly, this would be the desired scenario of those who hate Russia.

    Russia simply bombs from air,

    Can’t answer this as I don’t know if Ukraine has any air defense capability or if such capability can be deployed there by the West. But, yes, it would make sense for Russia to bomb areas around Kharkiv and other places that have military infrastructure and the bulk of Ukraine’s weapons factories. As well, as bomb Ukraine’s main military headquarters. Again, I don’t know how much bombing Russia can sustain, how many planes, pilots they have. Probably enough to create insane damage, but not sure if it’s enough to decimate the whole country. I don’t think this is Kremlin’s desired scenario.

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    then let’s the Donbas troops move further

    Donbas troops are barely capable of defending their own turf, much less move forward. Their side has suffered proportionally more. Apparently, there is only one really capable pocket there, the former battalion Prizrak (Ghost) that still has the fighting ability. Russia would need to bring in its own troops. But Russia is still maintaining that its troops are not present (granted, that can change very quickly and they don’t need to ask anybody’s permission) and the 100K troops they have near the border are not enough to invade the whole left bank, Ukraine has 250K troops. Plus potentially millions of supporters outside of Ukraine and many in reserve. They’ll be shooting from every window, make no mistake about that.

    Now you are talking, this is real in some ways. But for the hundreds of billions that Russia’s oligarchs stashed in the West, there are a few hundred billion in Western assets in Russia. Could be quid pro quo.

    That’s why I asked that question – is America (and the UK) ready to implement the “diabolical sanctions”? Do we know what’s in Blinken’s recent package? And we’re not talking about just what the “oligarchs stashed”, as you say. We’re talking about all the money that the Kremlin functionaries, including the likes of Patrushev and Lavrov, have stashed. Hit the wallets of their children, too, it will really hurt. Yes, you’re right that it goes both ways and that certain classes in the West benefit from the inflow of Russian money (heck, even my family benefits). But we’re talking about a force majeure here, where borders in Europe are being moved again (to be precise, the borders were already moved during the Crimea annexation but Russia is showing resolve to continue revising and to move further). So we’re talking about an extraordinary situation and we need to be ready for it. Thus, I posed the question – is the West ready to impose the sanctions from Hell.

    The key is who would get Kiev

    The Ukes will keep Kyiv. It’s a conglomeration of, what, 3 million people? Containing many patriots. Russians simply won’t be able to find enough traitors to give up Ukrainian sovereignty. The traitors will be taken out very quickly. What Kyiv, dude, they’ll have difficulty taking even Dnipro and other places in the East first. There are stacks of dead pro-Russian militia men laying on the outskirts of Dnipro. These are huge cities, man.

    Oh, did I mention that everything should be done to avert a war between the 3 East Slavic nations?

    My guess is that sooner or later a military coup will take over in Ukraine and some tough guy will reestablish order. Probably neither-West nor-Russia, but a technocrat-nationalist.

    Hey, me personally, I’d have no problem with that at all, as long as this guy is nationalist, pro-Ukrainian and pro-European (in the traditional sense). Pro-Intermarium, ideally. Of course, I do also sympathize with the thriving of the Ukrainian people to live in a free and democratic place with rule of law and wide representation from the ground up – that I wish them whole heartedly as well.

    Remember, that in their spirit, Ukrainians are proud and freedom loving Cossacks — they may not want to bow to just one man, everyone wants to be Hetman. In 2014 you could see how many groups with leaders appeared that weren’t even connection to each other but were connected through the Ukrainian Idea. It worked! Not sure these people will tolerate an autocrat for too long, hahahah.

    Anyway…. Hopefully, at least some noticed that Putin recently asked for “security guarantees” for Russia. Is it maybe worth taking at least 5 minutes to consider it? Hypothetically, if Putin’s wishes are fulfilled, Ukraine never accedes to NATO (not that this should be the decision of anybody but Ukraine itself), is there anything the West can ask from Putin? Let’s say, removal of rockets from Kaliningrad and possibly Crimea, creating a demilitarized zone 100kms from each other? I don’t know, move the Iskander further than 200kms from the EU borders? Possibly other things. Not endorsing this, just saying that if Putin wants some new security pact, Russia, too, should be able and willing to make concessions. Not saying that the West should give in, appeasement typically doesn’t work, but maybe there is a possibility of creating a security forum between Russia and its neighbors? If there were mutual trust, it could be possible. Of course, not as long as the Russo-Ukrainian war continues.

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  351. Yevardian says:
    @Ron Unz

    I’m a little surprised that it would totally contrary to your impressions, although this does depend the region and time period we’re talking about (476-900s AD is a very long time).
    What immediately comes to mind for me, Gibbon, the first professional historian on late Antiquity, writing (vol III) before the French Revolution, saw immediately from the primary sources that Italy was induspitably better governed and more prosperous under the Ostrogoths (and the preceding Odoacer) than any time since at least Theodosius II, if not earlier.
    But that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    how recently become a topic of debate among academic specialists?

    Downplaying the consequences of the fall of Rome (and depth of the Dark Ages) has been the academic fashion for quite some time now, though the momentum of that was certainly blunted by Bryan Ward-Perkins’ work, where he felt compelled to restate the traditionalist view of the Germanic migrations as a catastrophe, precisely because it has been subject to so many decades of revisionism.

    Ward-Perkins makes a compelling case, although crucially, much of his statistics and argumenation come from well over than a century after the establishment of the Germanic Kingdoms, and crucially, according to the logic of Henri Pirenne, after the Justinian’s reconquests, the plague of his reign, the titanic last Roman-Sassanid war, and finally, the Arab/Islamic conquests.
    So the Dark Ages certainly aren’t a modern historical contrivance, but this period really starts around the 640s, or about a century and a half after the dissolution of nominal domain of Romulus Augustulus.

    The viewpoint of classical Civilisation ending around the 640s has been recognised in what’s now a standard undergraduate textbook, Steven Mitchell’s A History of the Later Roman Empire, 284-641. This also reminds me of what’s now another standard text, David Potter’s The Roman Empire at Bay, covering the 3rd Century and the Dominate, which does an excellent job of highlighting the continuing cultural, demographic and economic decline over a long period of antiquity, or more neutrally, the deep transformation of the mentality and governance of the age in response to a protracted crisis. Timothy Barnes also writes well about this transitional period, with similarly negative verdicts on the age.

    How solid is the evidence?

    Speaking of the archaeology, the building of local public structures (basilicas and the like) makes a modest recovery in the decades following the foundation of the Visigothic, Frankish and Ostrogothic kingdoms, whilst the first great cultural flowering of Christianising Ireland during this period is well known.

    Even Bryan Ward-Perkins himself admits in his work that local manufacturing and construction greatly increased in the more peripheral areas of the Western Empire following its collapse, as the demand for local artisanship and the like was always supressed by competition from distant centres under the Empire. Frankish kings like Chilperic built luxury edifices such as circuses in Paris and Soissons, whilst new ‘Romanesque’ architecture was built in Visigothic Spain.
    Although, on trade, some port cities such as Massalia flourished as never before at the expense of older competitors, as Italy itself was devasted during Justinian’s long reconquest there.
    Also signicantly, the Germanic successor kingdoms all continued to acknowledge the Byzantine Emperors as their nominal head, and even minted images of them on their own coinage. Again, this is another practice that ceases following the Arab conquests, with Dagobert I (iirc) being the first Frankish ruler to put himself on the coinage.

    Lastly, in the remaining part of the Roman Empire itself, the government remains farily stable until the disasters of the last Persian war, followed immediately by the rise of Islam, after which a rapid succession of Byzantine Emperors are murdered and overthrown, with accompanying religious turmoil (Iconoclasm almost certainly had indirect Islamic inspiration), only stabilising with the Macedonian Dynasty (though its founer was of Armenian origins). On historiography of Byzantium of this early period, Warren Treadgold and Cyril Mango are the first I’d recommend, with Mango’s assessment being considerably more negative, although his work is somewhat older.

    Anyway, I put much of this here for some sort of context in recommending one particularly strange but very interesting book. Actually, I haven’t mentioned it for years, and I certainly never academically referenced it myself, for reasons that will become clear, but you seem like someone who would at least entertain ordering it for a day or two of interesting reading. Well, you did publish that ‘First Millennium Revisionist’ nonsense, but I decided against mentioning it there, since however ‘out-there’ the book’s final conclusions were, I still couldn’t associate it with that published dreck (although yes, it was entertaining to watch someone argue classical Latin was a constructed language).

    Anyway, the book considers itself a direct continuation of Henri Pirenne, although it ends with much more extreme arguments than that Belgian ever put forth.
    I read as teenager, during a period when I was fairly uncritically reading all sorts of ‘anti-Islam’ fringe-academic works, which I still think have value for finding source, but their extreme tendentiousness and obvious agenda seriously marrs them, authors like Ibn Warraq and Bat Ye’or. I suspect being affiliated with such zealots was why academics like Patricia Crone and Michael Cook (of the ‘Hagarist’ hypothesis) partially disowned their own work in revising Islamic historiography.

    This book honestly fits in a similar category (it has a back quote from a certain ‘Richard Rubenstein’ author of ‘Jihad and Genocide‘), but unlike most of the authors, this work definitely stood out, both for the detail of its argumentation, and especially, for one of the especially radical conclusions it takes.

    Essentially, the final part of the book argues that the Islamic conquests, as we understand them, never occurred, rather being part of an Arab coup within the Sassanid Empire, in which Khosrau II’s conquests of Byzantine Egypt and Syria were never lost, with the whole Persian realm passing directly to its new Arab rulers (excepting Tabaristan, where the Zoroastrian loyalist elite fled).

    This isn’t such a crazy hypothesis as first appears, afterall, much of the accepted history of the Rashidun Caliphate’s rise is extremely hard to believe on its face. For instance, Heraclius, though titanic efforts, manages to repel the combined Persian-Avar siege of Constantinople, then pushes them back, in fact so far that he retakes all the Syrian and Egyptian territories (now lost for several years), only to lose the exact same lands, with almost identical borders, to the Arabs barely a decade later?
    It’s also pointed out that in history, however weakened two sides might be from a period of extended destructive war, the winning side (at least) comes out of it with vastly improved tactics, equipment and leadership. Why would the Byzantine army, having comprehensively defeated a centuries-long rival empire, comprising of millions of subjects, suddenly collapse in the face of Bedouin raiders?

    Interestingly, during the titular reign of the first few caliphs, Persian coinage continues to be minted, even displaying the Shah’s image. Even if reusing the coinage of a previous empire makes sense, why mint new coinage displaying a previous ruler?

    Anyway, as people familiar with Persian history know, the internal history of the Sassanid Empire becomes extremely muddy and vague, with the realm descending into dynastic civil war and religious upheaval (Mazdakite heresy, the Zoroastrian priesthood becoming over-assertive, the final Shah apparently converting to Nestorian Christianity), in which it becomes much easier to envision the Arab Lakhmids (bringing with them semitic peoples of Mesopotamia, in which the Sassanid capital was located) overthrowing the Persian monarchy, forming a new syncretic religion to justify their takeover.

    Anyway, if that sounds at all interesting, I suggest you take a look. (And yes, I tried finding more details about the author, but it was impossible to find even a whisper of quote about him, hardly encouraging).

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, German_reader, Emil Nikola Richard
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    , @Ron Unz
  352. AP says:
    @LatW

    Can’t answer this as I don’t know if Ukraine has any air defense capability or if such capability can be deployed there by the West.

    Ukraine has a large number of S-300PS systems that have been upgraded/modernized and restored after 2014.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force#Air_Defence

    These are better than anything Iraq, Yugoslavia, or other recent victims of large powers have wielded. It is the same system used by countries such as China and Belarus. There was controversy when Russia provided some of them to Iran and Syria. Russia still uses it, but has developed and deployed more advanced systems in 2007.

  353. AP says:
    @Beckow

    I don’t think Russia wants responsibility for Ukraine: weak economy, frustrated population, debts and poor infrastructure. So I don’t think they will go for a land invasion, it would make little sense.

    We agree on something.

    On the other hand, like Nato in the past, they could obliterate from air Ukrainian military bases, ports, Lviv, etc…at little cost. So they have an escalation power.

    This is the more likely scenario – bomb a bunch of cities, factories and bases. Two problems here:

    1. NATO’s victims had much worse air defenses than does Ukraine, which has a large number of upgraded and modernized S300PS systems (the same ones that the West complained about when Russia provided them to Iran). NATO has not bombed countries with this level of equipment, operated by trained crews. Russia would lose many more jets than they did to Georgia, over Ukrainian territory. Air defense was the one bright spot in Georgia’s effort in 2008. The Georgians (trained by Ukrainians!) took out those Russian planes using much worse equipment than Ukraine has:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/09/14/in-2008-georgias-missile-crews-bloodied-the-russian-air-force-now-theyre-getting-ready-to-do-it-again/?sh=7f6d0d0e2f77

    2. Whereas NATO’s victims were far away or unable to respond to NATO bombing, Ukraine is right next door to Russia. It’s own missiles would not reach Moscow, but can hit a lot of Russian territory next to Ukraine. Russia would not go unscathed.

    Of course, Russia has enough long range missiles to eventually wear down Ukraine’s defenses. Perhaps a few weeks of bombardment. Plenty of time for Ukrainians to launch their own missiles in the meantime.

    You keep on repeating that Ukraine has West behind it. What does it mean to you? West is not going to fight, they will provide supplies and sanction (isolate) Russia’s economy. Given that supplies to a weaker side in a war only mean longer suffering

    On defense, against the number of Russian troops arrayed against it (175k troops), Ukraine with its 250k troops and 400k or whatever reserves (I have seen estimates as high as 900k) is not so weak as long as it keeps getting its supply of ammo and weapons replenished.

    If there are total sanctions, energy prices will go up, Russia will make more.

    Yes, prices would go up. But sanctioned Russia wouldn’t be selling. The Americans would be.

    (to replay to your comment to LatW):

    How would the West help if Russia simply bombs from air, then let’s the Donbas troops move further? Chances are in an uneven fight like that a large percentage of Ukrainian army would run away, they are not idiots, they want to live. The few die-hards would die hard and it would be over. That’s teh way it works. Any intelligence help would be useless.

    Ukrainian forces could just get out of the open field and do what Donbas forces did and retreat to positions in urban areas. Would the Russians, say, level Kharkiv to the ground with its bombs and kill 100,000s of Kharkiv’s people to get to those soldiers? Same for Mariupol, Dnipro, etc. If Russia kills 100,000s of people chances of doomsday sanctions become almost guaranteed.

    If Poland moves to Galicia it will weaken any criticism of Russia, destroy Ukraine permanently

    If Poland moves in as an invited ally it would not be a problem, no more than the Americans and Brits moving into France.

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  354. For instance, Heraclius, though titanic efforts, manages to repel the combined Persian-Avar siege of Constantinople, then pushes them back, in fact so far that he retakes all the Syrian and Egyptian territories (now lost for several years), only to lose the exact same lands, with almost identical borders, to the Arabs barely a decade later?
    It’s also pointed out that in history, however weakened two sides might be from a period of extended destructive war, the winning side (at least) comes out of it with vastly improved tactics, equipment and leadership. Why would the Byzantine army, having comprehensively defeated a centuries-long rival empire, comprising of millions of subjects, suddenly collapse in the face of Bedouin raiders?

    Didn’t quite similar thing happen relatively quickly with victorious Byzantine army in Italian peninsula after exhausting Ostrogothic war? They also seemingly suddenly collapsed against Lombardian raiders and lost all those Roman lands never being able to comeback again after that?

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  355. @songbird

    Contacts are fairly popular in East Asia, many myopic adults wear contacts. Besides the genuinely vision-impaired, plenty of women who don’t have vision issues wear colored contacts for aesthetic purposes. I speak from experience, my wife, who has 20/20 vision and a disinclination for any sort of intellectual activity, bless her soul, wears them and most of her friends do as well.

    I don’t know how genetic the vision issues are, it seems to me like they’re more a result of too much reading than of anything else.

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  356. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    And it is nonsophisticated satire, but still accurate satire about Russia.

    Of course, it is obviously satire, it is quite hilarious. Yes, very accurate, especially where he talks about stashing his money all over the world. “I knew that sooner or later, you’d come for me, so I put my money in different places across the globe”. LOL Very humorous, but the content is still very ris·qué, based on the shock value. If there are 15 year olds watching this, it may not be that great for their development.

    But did you hear the rant of that Putin’s functionary who is persecuting him? It was insane, too, he was talking about things like “the kids need to be sent to a stroibat and taught to work with a shovel like we did back in the day when we knew the value of work and duty!”.

    [MORE]

    You know those mandatory work assignments where they used to send our parents when they were 18-20. Basically half-free labor for the communist system. LOL. My mom was sent to Astrahan’ where she got to eat some exotic cantaloupe she had never had before.

    He’s also going to Kirkorov territory sometimes joking about his gender.

    I’m sorry, Kirkorov is an old crazy looking faggot, but Morgenshtern can pull off androgyny quite well. He’s almost like Michael Jackson that way. And part of why it’s so easy for him is the utter “poh*ism” about what it looks like.

    Lol he returned to his girlfriend from before he was famous, married her, and throws his wife on all the videos. I don’t think you can blame him too much that he wants to show her off, considering how beautiful she is.

    Yes, it’s part of the appeal that he is a young husband and that she’s in his videos. She’s very pretty indeed if you’re into brunettes.

    This strange atmosphere with celebrities in Russia at the moment, where even Sobchak might be thrown down.

    What about her? I saw that she was interviewing some liberal female movie director from the “Soyuz pravih sil” who was praising Chubais, Gaidar and crying remembering Boris Nemtsov. So you’re saying Sobchak is also no longer safe?

    The video you posted of Kadyrov and Timati at his barbecue is very symbolic. It’s basically ritual mounting. I’d be super annoyed if I were Timati. Frankly, I would dole some out. Kadyrov showing that Timati is his b*tch (and Kadyrov is Putin’s b*tch. Maybe Morgenshtern doesn’t want to be either?)

    You said that Timati is old. But my generation (I am something “later millennial”) are themselves far too old to know Timati. He’s only an influence for Generation Z.

    Are you kidding me? Timati is ancient. He was coming to the Novaya Volna festival in LV like 15 years ago. At his age, he is now so ingratiated with the current system, that he has a lot to lose, but Morgenshtern is only 23, he has his whole life ahead of him, he clearly wants more freedom. He can take risk. Or like you said – ask for more.

    Anyway, I don’t really follow this genre, my genres are very different (classical, choir, folk, German electronic & Russian/Latvian folk metal). It was just amusing to see this stuff with Morgenshtern, he kind of popped out from nowhere.

    Morgenshtern lyrics

    His lyrics are soooo funny. “I’m makin’ dolla every day, yevra every day, I’m making dinero, dinero, dinero.“. At first I thought it was glorification of materialism (not that there’s anything wrong with liking money), but then I realized it’s such a joke. He should make a comedy.

    Morgenshtern has a real popularity. You can’t replace him with Egor Creed and Dzhigan. So he should use some bargaining power.

    Oh, no, he’s way more talented and bold. If what the press writes is true and if the Kremlin is now trying to chase him down and offer him to come back, and make him a good little b*tch and invite him to help Putin before the 2024 “election” because he has millions of young fans who will be voting age in 2 years… then he is indeed a fantastic asset. If I were CIA, I would have the CIA person in Dubai approach him and offer to be the “guarantee of his wealth”. Bribe the f*ck out of him. There are some really nice condos on the beach in Dubai that go for only 200K. He could make videos out of Dubai and put them on YouTube for the Russian kids to enjoy. With very subtle anti-regime messages.

    He should have to roll on the floor under Kadyrov, but he should ask for a good price.

    Why should any human being roll on the floor before Kadyrov? Especially a man. Maybe that’s too humiliating for him and he wants freedom? I mean, could you do it? I couldn’t.

    We’ll see if he returns from his vacation. It’s possible that the Kremlin people will simply force him to come back.

    And like Varlamov joked, in Dubai, he is safe from Putin, but he is not safe from Kadyrov. That’s why, if I were CIA, I would immediately enlist some of those Georgian Kist warlords to be his bodyguards.

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    , @Dmitry
  357. Mr. Hack says:
    @Barbarossa

    Presumably, it will be 76% less xenophobically racist than previous iteration!

    Why 76% and not 77%? or even 75%? How did you devise this precise figure?

    Trump was rather successful in his foreign policy adventures. Biden, so far, not too much.

  358. Yevardian says:
    @sudden death

    The Justinian plague arrived in the Empire immediately prior to the Langobards in the peninsula. The Byzantines also faced many, many enemies on multiple fronts at that time. Additionally, the ‘Greeks’ were deeply unpopular throughout most of Italy, as attested by Procopios.

    Anyway, I’m not endorsing everything in that book (I didn’t mention the author’s questionable interest in Heribert Illig’s chronological theories.. thankfully nothing in his main argumentation depends upon it), simply that it contains a lot of interesting material.

  359. songbird says:
    @PedroAstra

    I tried putting contacts in my eyes once, and honestly I found it to be an extremely unpleasant experience.

    What I found is that I was poking my eyes a lot to get them in and poking them a lot to get them out. Actually, it was so bad, that I had to ask someone to help me with the last one. I suppose one gets better at it, but I wonder if women have some sort of unique advantage in it, due to their fine motor skills being better.

  360. Not Raul says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Armenian is closer to Greek than Indo-Iranian.

    That seems likely; but the relationship between Greek, Armenian, and Indo-Iranian is pretty controversial. There are a number of competing theories.

    Ossetian is the last relict of the once great Sarmatian-Scythian language area (a branch of Iranian languages).

    Both of them trace their roots to an era before a distinct Sikh-Jatt identity was formed in medieval India, and even before Vedic Kshatriyas. They didn’t came from a mythical India, but to the real Aryans sprawling over Persian and the Eurasian Steppe.

    Indeed!

  361. EuroNat says:
    @Ron Unz

    If you actually investigate certain things, you’ll discover that the existing framework of reality you’ve been assuming your entire life is severely mistaken and needs to be radically changed, which is an extremely disturbing and unpleasant process.

    Honestly I keep reading this theme in your comments and posts, and I cannot understand how is this so unpleasant and extremely disturbing. The process was pretty straightforward and painless in my case. To me this would be the adult equivalent of children learning about the non existence of Santa. It is part of growing/wising up. If new, more exact information is available, I will just take it and work with it. If I am too lazy to check new information, I will just avoid criticising controversial takes.

    GRs reaction seems to me a textbook example of Orwellian knee-jerk crimestop. This is exactly the same reaction as leftists’ when presented with IQ data to explain disparity of outcomes between populations, or when presented with black crime statistics.

  362. songbird says:

    Was recently reading a description for a drawing tablet and it said something like “Perfect for kids and ladies who like drawing.” Assuming that is a literal translation and not a mistake, I find it extremely humorous.

    Probably for at least 50 years in the West, they would have shot anyone who wrote something like that.

  363. LatW says:
    @AP

    Could such seized assets be given to Ukraine as compensation, to rebuild after the failed but likely destructive invasion? Iranian frozen assets have been given to victims of Iranian-sponsored terrorism.

    Well, hopefully, there is no “failed but destructive invasion” in the first place. But if Russia demonstrates that it will continue murdering Ukrainian youths then something has to be done. In such a hypothetical scenario, if doomsday sanctions are enforced, then the decision about where this trillion is going to be spent will be made by a group of diplomats.

    And, yes, it would make sense that it would be spent on Ukraine. As a result, Russia will end up having destroyed part of Eastern Ukraine, taken severe losses, and the money will be spent on Ukrainian reconstruction anyway. Most of Ukraine would remain intact, however, many lives would be lost. For hardcore Euroatlanticists, this isn’t a bad scenario – only the most pro-Russian parts of Ukraine are lost, Russia suffers casualties, the regime takes a blow, and Russia loses its assets in the West and is completely isolated. Ukraine is forever ripped away from Russia. But of course such a scenario is a nightmare for everyone who cares about Slavic people.

    The biggest question though is — is the Western leadership ready to introduce doomsday sanctions in the first place. Best thing would be to show that they are capable of doing so but also show that they are interested in deescalating.

  364. Mikhail says: • Website

    Regarding the below tweet, recall the BS from this past spring about Russian troops.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/07/18/getting-putin-intentions-wrong-again-on-russia-ukraine/

    The Kiev regime (not Russia) isn’t fulfilling the Minsk Protocol.

    Had a follow-up discussion which in reverse chrono order went like this:

    Dear *****,

    In this particular conflict, the Kiev regime is in overall terms much better equipped than the Donbass rebels – especially air power.

    Obama is right when he noted what will happen if Russia is directly drawn in. Hence, it makes no sense to unnecessarily provoke things there – putting aside neocon preferences on looking to get more militarily engaged.

    On your second question, I’m not so certain of the manner of this buildup. Unlike the Cuban Missile Crisis, we aren’t seeing aerial views. One report notes that the Russian deployment on the Russian-Ukrainian border isn’t radically different from what it has been. For Russia to launch a regime change operation, it’d need a 300,000 man force (as believed by analysts whose views I respect) which isn’t well placed at the moment.

    Regarding conventional military deployments, what Russia does on its territory is its business. Unfortunately, they’ve to take into consideration what NATO does, given the likes of Stoltenberg as well as not too distantly removed folks like Hodges and Stavridis. Ditto Kiev regime doing an Operation Storm like operation.

    The sanctions threat is pretty empty, seeing how EU nations need energy and Russia doesn’t have much business ties with the US, in addition to other options including China. At the same time, Russia knows there’s an element of Ukraine’s population willing to do extreme things. Ergo Medvedev’s suggestion that Russia do nothing.

    In closing, the references to 2014 and 2008 have downplayed how Russia didn’t do regime changes. A main issue of concern should be how the Kiev regime acts towards the rebel held Donbass territory.

    Best,

    Fri 12/3/2021 4:30 PM

    Dear ******,

    Two questions:

    1..Which side has the more sophisticated weapons?

    2. Is the Russian build-up on three sides of Ukraine an attempt to get Ukraine to redeploy its troops?

  365. @Agathoklis

    Jews speak Hebrew, Judaism is living religion and they even have state again in the same place as well, while Latin and Egyptian are dead languages, their native ancient religions also did not survive at all, so hardly comparable even if genetically neither Romans nor Egyptians went completely extinct.

  366. LatW says:
    @Dmitry

    Kadyrov

    If you listen closely to the video you posted, the Crystal & Moët, it’s a parody of Kadyrov. It is super funny. The accent is a mix of Chechen and Arab, all the content is about acquiring nice cars, etc., and he even sings “I’m gay” with a Caucasian accent. Also, Moët is word play with “моё” (mine) which is ridiculing Kadyrov’s ambition to take ownership of certain parts of Russian politics and wealth. That’s how I interpret this song.

  367. @sudden death

    Vulgar Latin evolved into the Romance Languages & Egyptian evolved into Coptic (pretty much dead but still). Modern Hebrew is a 19th century language construction for Zionist ends.

  368. Japanese politicians have to fund Tojo Hideki’s Revival after seeing the examples of Er ist wieder da & Sono Tornato. They can’t do live-action right now because of COVID, but they can still strong-arm an anime studio to make that. We need it to complete the triology!

    I won’t agree with their politics since we are one of the biggest victims of Japan’s imperialist war. But it will be super fun to see how the Japanese viewers react.

  369. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    E.g., nobody knows better than Germany that Poland was two-faced and offered an alliance to Hitler

    They had a non-aggression pact with Germany (a genuine one, not the kind of “let’s divide half of Europe” agreement Germany and the Soviets concluded in 1939), but in fact Poland explicitly refused to become a German satellite state and join in the assault on the Soviet Union, which was Hitler’s original intention.
    Arguably this principled stance didn’t do the Poles much good, since it led to the invasion of their country by Germany and all the terrible human and material losses that followed. Opportunism along the Slovak example would certainly have been the easier option, but I guess it didn’t fit Polish national character.
    But anyway, imo this comment of yours shows once again that you’re just regurgitating Soviet or the more extreme Russian chauvinist propaganda of today.

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    , @Aedib
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  370. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    Poland along with Hungary did follow Nazi Germany in the carving up of Czechoslovakia, at a time when the Soviet Union offered an alliance with the West (notably France) to oppose that move.

    Related:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

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  371. German_reader says:
    @Yevardian

    saw immediately from the primary sources that Italy was induspitably better governed and more prosperous under the Ostrogoths

    I think it’s generally acknowledged by mainstream scholars that for Italy the real break were Justinian’s wars (which got pretty vicious in their later stages, with the Ostrogoths killing many hostages from the senatorial aristocracy, which never recovered) and then the Lombard invasion (which really deserved that name, unlike the migration of the Ostrogoths who were more Romanized/Christianized and just wanted to serve as a military class in a basically late antique system).
    I admit I’m skeptical of attempts to downplay the disruption caused by the Germanic invasions, at least in some areas (most notably Britain, but also the Rhineland) I don’t see how one can deny their destructive consequences. The issue is also surprisingly politicized, with lines drawn today not so much according to pro- or anti-German sentiments (as was the case in the 19th and early 20th centuries), but based on attitudes towards contemporary multiculturalism and mass migration. But thanks for your comment, it was very interesting and stimulating.

  372. German_reader says:
    @Mikhail

    at a time when the Soviet Union offered an alliance with the West (notably France) to oppose that move.

    The Soviet Union at the time was run by crazy ideologues who had just murdered hundreds of thousands in 1937/38, including much of the Polish minority. Poland was right not to trust the Soviets, as was amply confirmed by later events.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  373. sher singh says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    >neet faggot
    >hates Sikhi

  374. AP says:
    @German_reader

    Arguably this principled stance didn’t do the Poles much good, since it led to the invasion of their country by Germany and all the terrible human and material losses that followed. Opportunism along the Slovak example would certainly have been the easier option, but I guess it didn’t fit Polish national character.

    Given how close the war on the Eastern Front was, Poland’s principled stance to refuse to join Germany in an anti-Soviet alliance may very well have saved the ungrateful Soviets from defeat. Not only in terms of additional 100,000s of good troops many of whom were experienced with successfully fighting Soviets, but in denying the Soviets crucial time to prepare for the inevitable clash.

    Opportunism along the Slovak example would certainly have been the easier option, but I guess it didn’t fit Polish national character.

    Very true.

  375. Mikhail says: • Website
    @German_reader

    In the lead up to WW II, Poland was becoming less and less democratic. Czechoslovakia at the time was a democracy, albeit with imperfections.

    Given what happened in 1938 (Nazi, Polish, Hungarian carve up of Czechoslovakia), Poland faced a bitter irony a short time thereafter.

    Regarding Poland:

    https://www.eurasiareview.com/08042016-fuzzy-history-how-poland-saved-the-world-from-russia-analysis/

    • Thanks: Not Raul
  376. Wait, did some of you just argued that the Nazis started out wishing to vassalize Central-Eastern Europe (which likely would have meant keeping most of its population at interwar levels of development) instead of subjugating the local Slavs for German settlers, as in Generalplan Ost?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @songbird
  377. Aedib says:
    @German_reader

    The Polish national character was against behaving like the hyena of Europe, but they could not resist the temptation and behaved like the hyena of Europe. In addition, this behavior against”the Polish national character” is an old one and started around XVI century, may be because of the Jesuitical influence.

    • Replies: @AP
  378. songbird says:

    I’ve come up with a half-formed idea. Don’t know if it is good or terrible.

    All these comparisons to the Roman Empire falling are off the mark, or at least missing the woods for the trees.

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    Best comparison seems to be to the barbarians invading, but maybe, that isn’t right. Obviously, Northern Europeans achieved high civilization later. And China was repeatedly invaded by Northern barbarians, and the Southern Chinese appear to have a lot of Northern admixture.

    Anyway, what happened to the Romans is not necessarily analogous to being invaded by the sun belt or by Africans.

    But there is still an analogy in there. One less precise, and more abstract, but one even more global, that effected the Chinese, as well as other civilizations. I dub it, “the Sea of Wokeness.”

    I believe that in modern, technological times, there is something analogous to the Eurasian Steppe, but not so fully contiguous. Not one landmass even, as there have been bridging technologies in the fields of communication and transportation. Imagine if Subutai could have Skyped, or taken a plane, or had drones.

    Though, it is not totally divorced from geography. The Atlantic is not a giant ocean, at least in modern times, so Western Europe is fairly connected to America. The Chinese are on the other side of the Himalayas, and many invaders could not deal with Russia’s depth, so both are less woke. Meanwhile, a place like Ireland has no depth. Australia and Canada though both big, have no real depth in terms of where their populations live.

    The new grass is money. There is a wealth generated from GDP, upon which the barbarians (the woke) feed their horses (bureaucracies, NGOs, lawyers, etc.) It is difficult for the non-woke to fence this grass in and control it. The barbarians control it, and who can stand against them, in their Sea of Grass?

    Instead of a hardness, a bowleggedness, from riding saddle, they ride the softness of their couches and are bent from doing so.

    Maybe, the internet is akin to the stirrup, or the horse that is bred to carry a warrior. So does it carry money.

  379. A123 says: • Website

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  380. German_reader says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    I don’t think that’s controversial, it’s the mainstream view that Hitler originally wanted to enlist Poland as a subordinate ally for his planned war against the Soviet Union, and only changed plans when Poland refused to cooperate.
    As for Generalplan Ost, that only came later, in 1941/42. It also wasn’t really a coherent plan, more like various, sometimes contradictory proposals.

  381. songbird says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    On a broad arc of history, I think it is difficult to categorize Germany.

    But on a shorter arc, say Kaiser Wilhelm through Hitler, I would say that it was clearly in a different category than “West.” I would call it “Central” rather than “East”, with reference to European civilization, meaning it had characteristics from both, while being neither.

    Probably not very dissimilar from Poland, Czechoslovakia, or Hungary, which were transmogrified into “East” by the Soviets.

  382. songbird says:
    @A123

    14,000 Americans left in Afghanistan

    LMAO. More like 40 million. Amirite?
    _______
    Once saw a clip of Johnny Carson where a dog could climb a tree. Would have been an interesting one to breed.
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    What would have happened to Rittenhouse, if the jury members were all taken from his age cohort?

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  383. Beckow says:
    @German_reader

    Well, as you like to do you reluctantly accept that reality is reality (and thanks for that, AP should learn), and then in a weasel way you try to minimize that reality, or claim that it should have no bearing on today.

    You did it with the Norway Nazis fighting in Russia – according to you there were too few, although a similar % would give you half a million Americans and the atrocities the Norwegians committed in Russia, killing women and children, were very real. You did it with Scandinavian sympathies for the Allies – but forgot to mention that they were for the Western Allies, all Scandies were fully with Hitler in attacking Russia. Oh, and Italians are “bad soldiers”, so they don’t count – that was AP, but you get the point.

    You do it now with Poland’s hyena like behaviour before WWII. Pilsudski offered Hitler and alliance to attack Russia, Pilsudski had Hitler’s portrait in his office, Poland attacked Czechoslovakia with Germany after Munich and took not only a piece of Czechia, but two northern districts of Slovakia – that may explain why Slovakia re-took those districts when Germany went for Poland a year later.

    For you some realities are “genuine“, others not. And you decide. It is like the idiotic “whataboutism” that many Westerners start screaming about when someone mentions US-UK attack on Iraq, or Nato attack on Yugoslavia, or the fact that if Kosovo separation was “legal”, so by definition must be Crimea. But with the jesuit attention to obscure minutia and out-of-your-ass scholastic “arguments” you blissfully declare white to be black, or grey, or whatever.

    And when all is lost, and you look like a manipulating, lying weasel, your final refuge is to yell “Russian!!! propaganda”, or Soviet this or that, or chauvinism. Nonsense, if some African wonders into the truth about let’s say British massacres, it is still true, you declaring him a “anti-colonialist stooge” changes nothing, and just shows that you run out of a runway in your solipsistic mind. Pathetic. Address issues, address reality, stop hiding behind slogans, you are losing. If this is what our Western “nationalist”leaning allies think, who needs them? You scratch their surface and they are basically the usual Nazis, this time with a new veneer.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @AP
  384. AP says:
    @Aedib

    The Polish national character was against behaving like the hyena of Europe, but they could not resist the temptation and behaved like the hyena of Europe.

    When Czechoslovakia was weak, Poland helped itself to a piece of Czechoslovakia that was inhabited by ethnic Poles.

    When Ukraine was weak, Russia helped itself to a piece of Ukraine inhabited by ethnic Russians.

    Is Russia now the hyena of Europe according to you?

    • Replies: @Aedib
  385. @German_reader

    The Sino-French War (1884-5) was a draw. The Boxers won a few battles against Eight-Nation Alliance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Langfang

    • Replies: @German_reader
  386. German_reader says:
    @Beckow

    You did it with Scandinavian sympathies for the Allies – but forgot to mention that they were for the Western Allies, all Scandies were fully with Hitler in attacking Russia.

    Why should Scandinavians have liked the Soviet Union? It was a terrible system whose rulers had caused millions of premature deaths by the late 1930s. It had also just waged an aggressive war against Finland, for which many Scandinavians understandably had feelings of sympathy and solidarity.
    But still, what really matters, is that this translated into little enthusiasm for Nazi Germany and that the vast majority of Scandinavians (more than 99,8% in Norway’s case) didn’t fight in the war against the Soviet Union. The volunteers didn’t matter at all, especially so since Norway tied up way more German garrisoning troops.

    Pilsudski offered Hitler and alliance to attack Russia

    I think that’s just made up (what are the sources for that claim?), and in any case Pilsudski died in 1935.

    It is like the idiotic “whataboutism” that many Westerners start screaming about when someone mentions US-UK attack on Iraq, or Nato attack on Yugoslavia, or the fact that if Kosovo separation was “legal”, so by definition must be Crimea.

    I admit I believed in the Kosovo war (but then I was a teenager at the time), but later changed my mind. I was never in favour of the Iraq war. I also think Crimea will stay Russian, and eventually Western states should recognize that fact (for something in return from Russia, like a permanent settlement on Ukraine’s status, preferably as a neutral state). So your criticism doesn’t apply to me at all.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  387. @Yellowface Anon

    One can easily say that Mongols and Tibetans are the biggest victims of Chinese Imperialism:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Mongolia

    Curiously, the Collaborationist Chinese Army, according to some sources 1.2 million strong, hold the ignominious honor of being the only Collaborationist Army in WWII to outnumber the invading army.

  388. songbird says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    The Japanese don’t seem the need to tell a morality tale where they were the bad guys.

    Or maybe, it is because they already have such an extraordinary categorization of ghosts and demons, that it would be difficult to unite them into a new hierarchy, where Tojo was their headman.

    Would be interesting to study Tojo vs. Hitler in the ngrams of different countries. Give it a ratio, by country and reference to theater.

  389. German_reader says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    A lot of it is true, obviously German treatment of Soviet pows was inhumane in the extreme, and directly in contravention of Germany’s obligations under the Geneva convention for treatment of pows. The mass death of Soviet pows in 1941/42 (when about 2 million died) certainly was the Wehrmacht’s responsibility. However I don’t believe in the more extreme interpretations that this kind of mass death of pows had been planned from the start or even before Operation Barbarossa had begun (this is at least controversial even among mainstream scholars, not just disputed by “revisionists”). It was more the result of events interacting with a radicalized mindset among Wehrmacht planners who didn’t put much value on the lives of Soviet pows anyway.

  390. Beckow says:
    @AP

    Thanks, lots to ponder when you try different scenarios. My perception is that the main reason there won’t be a war – and definitely not a traditional occupation of a hostile territory – is that Kremlin simply doesn’t want to kill too many Ukrainians. It would be an emotional thing with long-term consequences.

    But that applies to the Ukrainian side too. We don’t know to what extent, there are definitely ruthless maniacs there who are primed to kill. But there is also the familiarity and a sense that it is impossible to make sharp distinctions. Who is really who? There are family history connections, language mish-mash, ambiguous identities.

    One scenario is that the basic self-preservation and self-interest kicks in – as it often does when history is being made, that’s why I gave you the end-of-WWII example in Czechia – and one morning people wake up and everything is different. People don’t like to die in circumstances like that, they often just look for a modus vivendi.

    That applies to the majority of the Ukie army: how many among the quarter million are there willing to die? willing to take a chance that they commit atrocities and will be held accountable? victors do that, so it would be as always one-sided. The best example we have is the 3-day collapse of the Georgian army, or the recent collapse of the Afghani army. You fool yourself if you think that in 2021 there are many who will fight if they rationalize that the cause is lost. All these fantasies about 900k army and shooting from every window are out of place in 2021 – that’s not how it works.

    There is always a modus vivendi available: a neutral federalized Ukraine that behaves like it is 2021 with language rights and trade with all, with less archaic enthusiasm and more prosperity. I think that’s what Russia has been offering, but it may not be on the table any more. I noticed that Russia in the last few days presented very actual and specific demands – they never do that unless they mean it. They were hiding behind ambiguity until now, given that they went public, I doubt they will back down. Something is about to happen. And nobody can really predict how it unfolds.

    • Replies: @AP
  391. AP says:
    @Beckow

    You do it now with Poland’s hyena like behaviour before WWII. Pilsudski offered Hitler and alliance to attack Russia

    In your dishonesty you forgot to mention that Poland declined this offer. Something Slovakia would not have done. And if Poland had acted like Slovakia it would not have lost millions of people at the hands of the Germans. If Poland had acted like Slovakia and joined Hitler rather than fight him, it is very likely that the Soviets would have lot the war. 100,000s of Polish troops, many with experience having defeated the Soviets in 1921, would have been much more useful than some hapless Italians freezing to death.

    So as a result of millions of Poles getting sacrificed for not behaving like Slovaks and instead refusing to join the Nazis on their crusade, ungrateful Soviets were able to survive.

    Pilsudski had Hitler’s portrait in his office

    Pilsudski died in 1935. Whatever gifts he had in his office are irrelevant concerning events in 1939 and later. More relevant are the close collaboration (sending tons of fuel etc. ) between Soviets and Nazis from 1939-1941. This was an actual alliance.

    Poland attacked Czechoslovakia with Germany after Munich and took not only a piece of Czechia, but two northern districts of Slovakia

    Poland seized territories with ethnic Polish majorities. Czechoslovakia was just giving its German-inhabited lands away to the Germans without a fight, so it gave some Polish-inhabited ones also, without a fight.

    Now before you repeat your old lies about Teschen again, utu had explained it before (thanks to Ron Unz for his website’s awesome and easy search engines):

    “Now let’s follow your dictum “As I pointed out before, sequence in history matters.” When judging 1938 re-annexation of Teschen Silesia by Poland it should be viewed in the light of what occurred in 1919 when Czechoslovakia stabbed Poland in the back when Poland was fighting Bolsheviks and then in 1920 when Benes through a swindle at the international conference got the Teschen territory without a plebiscite. There was more stabbings. Czechoslovakia refused for trains with military supplies from France to pass. I think Hungary managed to send enough ammunition to Poland that were crucial at the Battle of Warsaw in 1920.

    And then settlers and workers from Moravia and Bohemia were encouraged to move to Teschen Silesia to dilute Polish population. The usual stuff you do when you try to solidify territorial gains with ethnically foreign population”

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maddison-project-2020-new-historical-gdp-estimates/#comment-4343154

    My point was that Poland had as much right if not more to grab that land as Czechoslovakia had in 1919. The circumstances were very similar. Both countries were weakened and in vicarious situations when the land was grabbed from them. Basically it was the principle of might makes right in both cases. Czechoslovakia did it in 1919 to secure access to coal mines and the railroad to Slovakia. Czechoslovakia could not use the ethnic argument while Poland in 1938 could use the ethnic argument because the majority of inhabitants were Polish.

    What were the other differences? In 1919 some Czech troops moved in while disguised in French uniforms to confuse and surprise Polish troops. In 1919 Czechs murdered several dozens of Polish POWs. While 1938 there was a communication between Polish and Czech governments. Benes was proposing to reopen negotiations and Poland issued an ultimatum. Everything was in the open, and there was no subterfuge. And the Czechoslovak foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. Nobody died there.”

  392. AP says:
    @Beckow

    Thanks, lots to ponder when you try different scenarios. My perception is that the main reason there won’t be a war – and definitely not a traditional occupation of a hostile territory – is that Kremlin simply doesn’t want to kill too many Ukrainians. It would be an emotional thing with long-term consequences.

    Well, this also of course. Russia considers Kiev to be the cradle of its civilization. A half-truth, but a belief that is widely held. Kiev would resist Russia like Grozny would. To take it Russia would kill 100,000s and destroy its historical monuments. I doubt it has the stomach for that. It would be even worse in the Eastern cities that have many Russian inhabitants. A bloody conquest would devastate these lands.

    But that applies to the Ukrainian side too. We don’t know to what extent, there are definitely ruthless maniacs there who are primed to kill. But there is also the familiarity and a sense that it is impossible to make sharp distinctions. Who is really who? There are family history connections, language mish-mash, ambiguous identities.

    Russians whine about Ukrainians killing civilians in Donbas but the total death toll of civilians there has been less than 4,000 after 7 years of war. Ukrainians have been much milder in Donbas than Russians had been in Chechnya, or than the various factions in Syria have been towards each other.

    That applies to the majority of the Ukie army: how many among the quarter million are there willing to die? willing to take a chance that they commit atrocities and will be held accountable?

    Ukrainians are stubborn Eastern Slavs, not Czechs or Georgians. Galicians were fighting and dying in the forests and mountains for 6 years after World War II ended. The mighty Soviet military machine that had defeated the Germans had lost more people to the Banderists (including the general in charge of the Ukrainian front, Vatutin) than the ramshackle Russian army had lost to the Chechens in the 1990s. Ukrainian guerillas also managed to kill the Communist Polish defense minister. Entire villages had to be deported to Kazakhstan in order to pacify the place.

    Ukrainian army wouldn’t sit in the open field being bombed to death, this is true. They would melt into the cities, join the territorial defense units and force the Russians to fight block by block. Or perhaps they would give up after Russia bombs the hell out of those cities from the skies; what would the death toll in that case be – 100,000s in Kharkiv, Dnipro, etc.? How would the West react to Russia killing 100,000s of Europeans in the 21st century?

    The best example we have is the 3-day collapse of the Georgian army, or the recent collapse of the Afghani army.

    Ukrainians are not Georgians and circumstances are not comparable – tiny Georgia had 20,000 troops facing 70,000 Russians, Ukraine has 250,000 facing 195,000 Russians plus ~45,000 Donbas rebels. Afghani army were overthrown by their own people, not by hated foreign invaders.

    There is always a modus vivendi available: a neutral federalized Ukraine

    It is understandable that Russia would want a neutralized Ukraine in which “federalization” means that the pro-Russian and Russian-inhabited enclave (guided by Russia) in Donbas gets veto power over all national policies. Such a Ukraine would be a 21st century version of the useless mid 18th century Polish state, effectively a corrupt Russian puppet state. No normal Ukrainian wants this, and for good reason.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @Aedib
  393. A123 says: • Website
    @songbird

    14,000 Americans left in Afghanistan

    LMAO. More like 40 million. Amirite?

    Transporting the entire population of significant country is physically impossible, no matter how much Leftoids may want such folly. Cuba is only 90 miles away and those fleeing Communism did not seriously dent that nations population.

    Why would the U.S. want 40MM, or even 4MM, or even the idiotic 100,000+ we have taken in? They will never be able to assimilate as Americans. The humane option for those that supported U.S. operations is, helping them relocate to a Muslim nation where they can integrate into local culture.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

    • Agree: songbird
  394. German_reader says:
    @AP

    It is understandable that Russia would want a neutralized Ukraine in which “federalization” means that the pro-Russian and Russian-inhabited enclave (guided by Russia) in Donbas gets veto power over all national policies.

    Genuine question: what would your preferred solution be? Letting go of the Donbass once and for all (iirc you have a fairly negative opinion of its inhabitants anyway)?
    Personally I can’t see a positive future for Ukraine except through neutrality of some kind, because Russia would never accept NATO membership (or even some form of military integration below formal membership), and the likely consequences would be catastrophic.

    • Replies: @AP
  395. songbird says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Keep in mind that the Soviet government was still committing atrocities while it was getting millions of tons of free aid from the US, and Germany was blockaded. If those conditions had been reversed, even just to the point where there was no aid, IMO, probably the Germans would not have been so harsh.

    But I think it is almost undoubtedly true, if they had access to America’s breadbasket. Meanwhile, people at Kolyma were clothed in American flour bags that they had taken the initiative to sew together, though not that many managed to survive.

  396. AP says:
    @German_reader

    My preferred solution would be a peace that includes the permanent loss of Donbas at the current ceasefire line (which roughly corresponds to the ethnic line and to the 1918 border), and permanent loss of Crimea but with compensation to the Ukrainian side for lost property and return of stuff like the gas wells in the Black Sea that Ukraine had developed but that Russia had stolen when it grabbed Crimea (some of those are not even that close to the Crimean coastline).

    Neutrality rather than NATO membership is fine, but formal denial of NATO membership should be contingent on removal of advanced missile systems from Crimea and other areas bordering Ukraine. Ukraine should continue to develop its own native deterrence to Russian aggression, including its own missiles capable of answering Russian attack. So a sort of much-larger Finland or Sweden.

    Otherwise, ideally, Ukraine would eventually become another Visegrad EU member but it still has a long way to go for that (still too poor and too corrupt – though in terms of wealth at least, progress has been made post 2015). If the EU disintegrates, then part of some sort of Intermarium.

    • Thanks: German_reader
    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Beckow
  397. Mikhail says: • Website

    Like the Kiev regime based Euromaidan Press and StopFake are somehow more accurate, objective and legally deserving of US based input.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/12/04/this-is-how-the-russia-ukraine-war-will-unfold/

    Romantic svido nationalism:

  398. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    Apologies for referencing the material plane again, but I have just recently noticed something which I find interesting, and I think may relate to this idea of Japanese craftsmanship.

    When NE Asians review a tool, I notice that it often seems very much different, in a broad sense, than when anyone else does, though it is hard for me to articulate how.

    Let me say that a Mexican might read the technical specs on a box and compare it to another box. (I think part of this might be economic, low income means that comparisons might be more superficial, and price-orientated) A Euro (who is in comparison rich) might tell you his feelings, while using it, and be less concerned with the specs or price. But, if you watch a Chinese (not sure if this is true of Mainland) or Japanese, to a certain extent, it seems oddly more like a tutorial. Like, you would learn stuff that might be difficult to pick up otherwise. Technique, or the hidden features of something. Somehow, it feels more intimate, like you are touching the thing yourself.

    Sometimes, it is amazing and edifying how quickly and concisely they enter into it. Other times, perhaps, under the influence of my Euro genes, I start to find it tedious, too technical, and overlong. And yet, it is still remarkable in its way. And very much pronounced, when it comes to art tools.

    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    , @AaronB
  399. German_reader says:
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Thanks. I guess one could also include some battles during the Korean war, and of course the Japanese inflicted heavy defeats on Western forces in 1941/42. But apart from that I think my point still stands (imo something like the withdrawal from Afghanistan isn’t a primarily military defeat).

  400. A123 says: • Website

    Additional Open Thread Humor. I just saw this one.

    #LetsGoBrandon 😇

  401. Dmitry says:
    @LatW

    my genres are very different (classical,

    It’s almost not music, but marketing, politics, fashion, and satire.

    When she was Minister of Health (2007-2012), Golikova said she wanted to use rap music, to market a more physically healthy lifestyle with the youth (eating your vegetables, don’t use narcotics).

    To support Golikova’s project Putin even went to the rap battle television on REN TV, and was talking about how breakdancing could be propaganda for healthy lifestyles (it’s really 2009, not 1979 – for Putin breakdancing is some exciting new culture).

    Around this time, Putin already views rap as a useful instrument of the state. However, neither Golikova or Putin are actually fans of rap music themselves.

    Whereas with Kadyrov it’s very different as he is mentally still a teenager, who is a passionate fan of the rappers.

    Kadyrov and Timati at his barbecue is very symbolic. It’s basically ritual mounting. I’d be super annoyed if I were Timati.

    And two months ago, Kadyrov is arranging fights for Dzhigan on official government Instagram.

    Which Dzhigan somehow seems to politely avoid

    human being roll on the floor before Kadyrov?

    I don’t think Morgenshtern wants to be the next Boris Nemtsov.

    in Dubai, he is safe from Putin, but he is not safe from Kadyrov.

    Yes in Dubai, Timati and Kadyrov are probably going to display a giant message for Morgenshtern across Burj Khalifa, saying “we can see you getting dressed in your bedroom window from our bedroom balcony”. Burj Khalifa is literally Kadyrov’s message board.

    like Michael Jackson that way

    Well I’m not saying Morgenshtern is replaceable for the authorities – but, Kirkorov can also be Jackson. (Maybe not dance like Jackson).

    Kirkorov is an old crazy looking faggot

    Lol how can you write these things.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Not Raul
  402. Aedib says:
    @AP

    The fault of your argument is that Russia was never pretending to be a Saint like the hyena did. Russia always saw itself like an empire. And when I claimed that this Polish behavior started around XVI century, I was referring to those years when Russia was weak and Poland tried to impose a Catholic Tsar.
    I’m not against Catholicism. I’m Catholic myself. But if they want to behave like an empire, trying to hide their imperialistic ethos behind some pseudo-moralistic speech (probably because of lack of raw power to back their imperialistic desires) is what leads to this “hyena behavior”. The consequences arrive when the hyena is weak.
    Roma traditoribus non praemiat.

    • Replies: @AP
  403. @German_reader

    There’s a parallel to this in the 2nd Sino-Japanese War. In 1946, the KMT estimated ~13 mln military and civilian casualties, i.e. deaths and wounded, from the war. In 1995, CCP started using 35 mln total casualties, sometimes conflating it with 35 mln deaths.

    Reality is CCP only took part in only one of 20+ major engagements against the Japanese, Hundred Regiments Offensive (1940), and with a mediocre showing at that. But tries to take almost all the credit (this is only now somewhat changing).

    Overall I rank KMT’s contribution to Allies war effort to be about the same as British. CCP’s contribution to be above Free French and below Poland.

  404. @songbird

    Well Tojo resigned as PM by July 1944. He was just a bureaucrat and is nothing like Hitler.

    Mishima wrote a story Peony, about how he doesn’t feel guilty about nuffin. To an extent I respect them for being based. And to an extent Japanese atrocities in China are hyperbolized (like PRC’s supposed oppression in Xinjiang/Tibet is exaggerated).

    But the East Asian power hierarchy is quickly reverting to historical norms. This is their own military intelligence report on PLAN, top comment is

    今の日本人が認識しなければならない現実 多くの日本人に見てもらいたいです
    The reality that Japanese people must recognize now I want many Japanese people to see it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFxPwMpr6w

    The PRC is currently livid over comments former PM Abe made about Taiwan, and may very well spark a re-do of Battle of Yellow Sea (1904).
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/2/china-summons-japanese-ambassador-over-abes-taiwan-comments

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  405. @German_reader

    A lot of it is true, obviously German treatment of Soviet pows was inhumane in the extreme, and directly in contravention of Germany’s obligations under the Geneva convention for treatment of pows.

    The USSR wasn’t a signatory to the convention though. And mass murdered German prisoners from day one. In many cases with horrible atrocities like torture and mutilation like the Americans did with the Japanese in the Pacific. I think even “mainstream” historians don’t really dispute this (although of course they only mention it in the footnotes). Harald Welzer approvingly quotes one estimate saying 90 percent of the prisoners the soviets took in 1941 were killed.

    The German authorities published a rather thick brochure on atrocities by the Red Army, NKVD and Soviet irregulars against German soldiers in 1941 or 1942. It had some clinical but really unpleasant descriptions. Unfortunately I can’t recall the title right now, and it was in German obviously so most of our readers couldn’t read it anyway. But maybe you’ve heard of it?

    I think that kind of thing (together with finding huge Soviet mass graves and piles of massacred civilians left behind by the retreating Red Army in places like Lviv in 1941) had a very negative effect on feelings about the Communist authorities in turn. This would go a long way toward explaining things like the enthusiastic implementation of the Commissar Order.

    The mass death of Soviet pows in 1941/42 (when about 2 million died) certainly was the Wehrmacht’s responsibility. However I don’t believe in the more extreme interpretations that this kind of mass death of pows had been planned from the start or even before Operation Barbarossa had begun (this is at least controversial even among mainstream scholars, not just disputed by “revisionists”). It was more the result of events interacting with a radicalized mindset among Wehrmacht planners who didn’t put much value on the lives of Soviet pows anyway.

    The really big thing was of course that German logistics were inadequate (or nearly so) to supply even their own troops come winter. It’s easy for armchair historians to “forget” that Barbarossa was the largest military operation in history involving millions of people. And also depending on third world grade infrastructure to work. The Soviet road and rail network wasn’t very good to begin with and of course the Red Army also wrecked everything it could while withdrawing as per Stalin’s scorched earth policy.

    So the German forces only had just enough food, fuel, clothes, etc for their own use. While still suffering tens of thousands of casualties from malnourishment, frostbite and infectious disease. In that kind of situation it becomes more understandable that feeding prisoners wasn’t the top priority.

    Not feeding them was of course a war crime technically speaking and certainly a massive source of human suffering. Even Hitler himself actually complained about it to the generals when he found out the truth (although partly because he wanted to use the prisoners for labor and couldn’t when they were dead). But given the situation it seems pretty clear it wasn’t just genocidal malice like some modern leftists interpret it.

    Similarly hundreds of thousands of Japanese starved to death during the American occupation of Japan after World war II. But no one (in the West at least) calls that a genocide.

    In other words: I agree with you as far as the facts go but there is a lot of context surrounding them that’s usually kept out of the overview history courses.

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  406. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    When she was Minister of Health (2007-2012), Golikova said she wanted to use rap music, to market a more physically healthy lifestyle with the youth (eating your vegetables, don’t use narcotics).

    Somehow seems similar to US, in ’80s and early ’90s. At that time, rap really entered into popular culture in a pretty sanitized way, with cartoon characters such as Bart Simpson and Garfield rapping. Simultaneously, there was a very heavy “say ‘no’ to drugs” message.

    There’s this Youtube political commentor called Academic Agent who makes a big deal out of it, and, with recent developments about race in America and elsewhere, says that we can’t go back to the “Fresh Prince” years. (Referring to a popular TV show which helped launch Will Smith’s career, which seems to paint a naive picture of blacks being influenced by their environment and being able to be as upscale, when in a rich environment)

    For my part, I was surprised, when Will Smith made the “Bad Boys” movies which are full of foul language, even though somewhere along the line, earlier, he had vowed to keep everything clean.

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  407. @German_reader

    In Korea the materiel was dramatically asymmetrical. UN forces had complete air supremacy. PLA had basically no heavy weapons and only some Soviet air support.

    Assuming equal materiel PLA infantry would have outperformed UN. Combined arms can’t say, since the PLA has never been deployed with combined arms at a large scale.

    The Japanese also won at Qingdao in 1914; defeated UK/US in Burma 1942-43. (I take it you are not counting Russia as Western so I’ll omit Russo-Japanese War).

    Overall I think your point stands if excluding China and Japan (neither of which were fully colonized anyways)

    By the way, what’s going on with Die Ampel, are they taking a hardline against PRC? 🙂

  408. German_reader says:
    @John Regan

    The USSR wasn’t a signatory to the convention though.

    Doesn’t matter, it was still binding on Germany which had signed the 1929 Geneva provisions for treatment of pows, whose Article 82 is:

    Art. 82. The provisions of the present Convention shall be respected by the High Contracting Parties in all circumstances.
    In time of war if one of the belligerents is not a party to the Convention, its provisions shall, nevertheless, remain binding as between the belligerents who are parties thereto.

    https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/applic/ihl/ihl.nsf/Article.xsp?action=openDocument&documentId=2D6DEE6CA5235BFFC12563CD0051928C

    Harald Welzer approvingly quotes one estimate saying 90 percent of the prisoners the soviets took in 1941 were killed.

    I don’t know if they were all killed, but survival rates for Germans captured by the Soviets in the first half of the war (until 1943) were certainly extremely low, and there’s no doubt the Soviets frequently tortured prisoners for information (Harald Welzer is a very dubious character btw, with an anti-German agenda, I’m surprised you mention him in this context).
    Anyway, I partially agree with you, modern perceptions are definitely skewed and lacking in context, though I still think “revisionists” frequently go too far, and letting millions of defenseless pows starve and freeze to death was certainly a massice crime.
    (I think I had written in an earlier comment I didn’t want to discuss WW2 issues anymore. I probably need to be more strict in sticking to that).

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  409. AP says:
    @Aedib

    The fault of your argument is that Russia was never pretending to be a Saint like the hyena did. Russia always saw itself like an empire.

    So pretending to be a saint is how one defines hyena-hood, in your world?

    In your world, were the Nazis better than the Communists because they were open about their wishes for death unlike Communists who claimed to be helpful for humanity?

    And when I claimed that this Polish behavior started around XVI century, I was referring to those years when Russia was weak and Poland tried to impose a Catholic Tsar.

    So was Russia a hyena when it partitioned Poland after Poland was weak?

    “Poland” did not try to impose a Catholic tsar. The invasion of Russia was a project initiated by Rus magnates within the PLC (which is less “Poland” than Austria-Hungary was “Austria”) working with Muscovite boyars to unify Rus lands. I’m not sure what is hyena-like about such behavior. History is full of exploitation of divisions to help with expansion and annexation. Were Brits hyenas all over the globe, were Russians hyenas for exploiting the civil war in the PLC and accepting Khmelnytsky’s piece into Russia at Pereyaslav?

    I’m not against Catholicism. I’m Catholic myself.

    As a Catholic, are you as opposed to Catholics in the Balkans and Central Europe as you are opposed to the behaviors of Catholic states in Eastern Europe?

    But if they want to behave like an empire,

    What is “imperial” about Rus princes from PLC trying to unify with their distant kin from Muscovy?

    The consequences arrive when the hyena is weak.

    Anytime someone becomes weak there are consequences. So was the reduction of Russian ruled lands or German ruled lands (not to mention d