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Another pilgrimage to the Fortress Monastery.

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* AOMI. Robin Hanson: The Insular Fertile Future. Reproductively successful cultures are insular from the global culture.

* Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi – A Political Biography

* AFGHANISTAN. Apparently internal frictions amongst the Taliban, with Pakistani-backed hardliners winning out and filling the Cabinet exclusively with Taliban (in so doing breaking their commitment to form an inclusive government). Meanwhile, its former CB head notes that Afghanistan has no means of printing its own currency. I suppose this and capital controls (\$200 daily limits on withdrawals) explains why the afghani hasn’t devalued more against \$USDC; as such, we can expect the inevitable economic crunch to manifest itself in unemployment and wage arrears. Contra Western propaganda, the Taliban remains universally unrecognized, including by Russia and China.

You often hear people talking about the supposed trillion dollar reserves of REMs in Afghanistan. In reality, there is nothing “rare” about Rare Earth Metals. The only constraint is cost of production, and it will always be cheaper in places like China or Kazakhstan where you have cheap electricity and low security costs.

* Richard Hanania: Futarchy: Robin Hanson on How Prediction Markets Can Take over the World

* Edward Hagen: Contra Sweden Yes/cuckshed memes, the prevalence of cuckoldry has declined threefold since 1940 in Sweden (3% to 1%).

* Emil Kirkegaard: Ancient history, dysgenics, genomics, and cyclical history theory

* whyvert: “New paper on current natural selection. Correlation between 33 polygenic scores and each person’s number of children across two generations (in 400k Britons from UKBiobank). Modern society is selecting for bad traits and selecting against good traits. Sad!”

Hugh-Jones, D., & Abdellaoui, A. (2021). Human capital mediates natural selection in contemporary humans (No. 2021-02). School of Economics, University of East Anglia, Norwich, UK.

* POWERFUL COMMENT. Mitleser quoting a Redditor on the likely outcome of a China-Taiwan war, which suggests that the PLA is now confident of a quick victory.

* Diana Fleischman: The Moral Panic about Eugenics Poses a Threat to Abortion Rights

* Claude Berube compares the age of the USN vs. PLAN vessels.

 

 
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    If you are new to my work, start here.

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    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    This is worth looking into:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/belarus-drifting-back-russia-193891

    Excerpt -


    Decades-long Russian attempts to reduce the use of the Belarusian language and promote Russian instead have been crucial to breaking down the barriers between their national identities. In 1939, for example, over eighty percent of Belarusians spoke Belarusian at home. By 1989 that had fallen to sixty-five and today, roughly seventy percent of Belarusians speak Russian at home.
     
    Note that the original text hyperlinks to a long winded Viacorka screed on the aforementioned 80% claim in 1939.

    Here's that piece which is Belarusian svido:

    https://www.academia.edu/39745160/How_Russian_soft_power_manipulate_Belarusian_identity

    Couldn't find anything in it supporting the 1939 claim. Why didn't the National Interest author provide a more direct reference?

    Said paper disingenuously says that the Greek Catholic faith once dominated Belarus without noting that the Orthodox Church had done so prior - only to be suppressed in a way that propped the Greek Catholic denomination.

    He cites a poll saying that Belarusians identify more with the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) than the USSR. Nothing about comparing Belarusian attitudes on the Russian Empire and PLC. YThe Rusian Empire is negatively depicted unlike the PLC.

    Quite suspect. Overall, Belarusians come across as being more pro-Russian than pro-Polish, or pro-Lithuanian.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  2. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58564837.amp

    A new military alliance between Australia UK US in the works.

    Australia cancels procurement of French shortfin barracuda SSK.Will procure Nuclear Submarines instead..

    • Replies: @angmoh
    @Vishnugupta

    It's easy to laugh at Australia's idiotic antagonism of its largest trading partner, and we should. But these things happening repeatedly is another example of Chinese diplomatic failure.

    Most modern first world populations default preference is mercantilism in the absence of anti-China propaganda. No doubt Anti-Chinese sentiment would have risen on the back of that propaganda no matter what China did, but international opinion of China is in the toilet across the board. A bit more tact on the Chinese side could have prevented much of it.

    Perhaps the CPC doesn't care and thinks the tradeoffs (?) are worth it here. But it's hard to see what the benefits would be.

    It's been said that 'wolf warrior' diplomacy is not a carefully considered strategic decision, but instead a means for CPC machine men to enhance their status internally at the expense of China's broader interests. I'd buy this argument more if there was less coordinated action from China against their diplomatic adversaries ('economic coercion' etc) - so there is obviously a view within the party that the current approach serves China's interests.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian

  3. This is the new Russian National Anthem:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Vitas

    It sounds like the worst of 1980's Western club/pop music. Is this really what passes as "chic" in modern day Russia? It's really boring. :-(

    Where's Bashibusuk when you really need him?

    , @A123
    @Vitas

    Seven Elements are too many.

    FIVE Elements, much better.

    PEACE 😇

    https://youtu.be/XnTE2h0ZY74

    , @AP
    @Vitas

    This was better:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiFBgtgUtfw

  4. Never Underestimate the Stupidity of the fascist Leftoids.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  5. 😂 Weekly Open Thread Humor 😆

    Open the tag for [MORE]

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    WELCOME TO TENNESSEE, we take our waffles seriously.
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    The Superhero movie we are all waiting for:
     

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    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @A123

    The last time I was inside a restaurant that permitted cigarette smoking it was a Waffle House in Nashville TN.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  6. So, a significant media distraction here in the U.S. from Milley, vaccine mandates, Afghanistan, etc. is the disappearance of the salaciously attired, blond, van-roadtrip young woman. I will not assert that the deep state or the Mossad has orchestrated this distraction, but Biden and Milley are certainly the beneficiaries of it. I am not a suspicious person (wait, I actually am, that’s why I’m here), but it is quite strange that the van-companion, con-style, boyfriend is successfully “remain-in-the-background” (his lawyer’s advice) at his parents’ house, not being promptly questioned by police.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @SafeNow


    it is quite strange that the van-companion, con-style, boyfriend is successfully “remain-in-the-background” (his lawyer’s advice) at his parents’ house, not being promptly questioned by police.
     
    Once you appoint a lawyer, the police can no longer question you directly.

    But yeah, obviously he knows more about her fate than he is telling.
  7. You often hear people talking about the supposed trillion dollar reserves of REMs in Afghanistan. In reality, there is nothing “rare” about Rare Earth Metals. The only constraint is cost of production, and it will always be cheaper in places like China or Kazakhstan where you have cheap electricity and low security costs.

    I have made a very similar point several times.

    The security situation is impossible and there is a complete lack of infrastructure to move material out of the land locked nation of Afghanistan. Any mine would require building and protecting a railroad. Barring some spectacular discovery, there is little reason to develop material extraction industry.

    The CCP might do something on the very Eastern edge of Afghanistan where they have the maximum security advantage and minimum distance for infrastructure build. The symbolic politics would be at least as important as the project’s economics.

    * Richard Hanania: Futarchy: Robin Hanson on How Prediction Markets Can Take over the World

    Dune (Sci-Fi Channel Miniseries) — Do you ever worry that trying to see the future changes it?

    The “election markets” were excellent predictors when they were obscure. Now various groups have determined that spending money to influence the market is a worthwhile investment to influence the election.

    This applies to any major cartel with an interest in the outcome. If the markets impact the outcome, those seeking an outcome have huge incentives to bend the market. (1)

    The LIBOR Scandal was a highly-publicized scheme in which bankers at several major financial institutions colluded with each other to manipulate the London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR). The scandal sowed distrust in the financial industry and led to a wave of fines, lawsuits, and regulatory actions. Although the scandal came to light in 2012, there is evidence suggesting that the collusion in question had been ongoing since as early as 2003.

    Many leading financial institutions were implicated in the scandal, including Deutsche Bank (DB), Barclays (BCS), Citigroup (C), JPMorgan Chase (JPM), and the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS).

    As a result of the rate fixing scandal, questions around LIBOR’s validity as a credible benchmark rate have arisen and it is now being phased out. According to the Federal Reserve and regulators in the U.K., LIBOR will be phased out by June 30, 2023

    Effective Markets are large, deep, and have sufficient oversight (which is costly). It is hard to see how “policy” markets can establish that type of robust environment.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/libor-scandal.asp

  8. @A123
    😂 Weekly Open Thread Humor 😆

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    The Superhero movie we are all waiting for:
     
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    Replies: @Morton's toes

    The last time I was inside a restaurant that permitted cigarette smoking it was a Waffle House in Nashville TN.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Morton's toes

    The scary thing in America is not that they (since Bloomberg in New York as early as 2002) ban public smoking, but that FDA is trying to ban vaping.

    From this month, the FDA will ban the sale of most flavoured eliquids.

    And moreover, American interests (including Bloomberg, but also possibly the tobacco industry) had an influence on the banning of vaping in India.

    Aside from some hipster fashion in Brooklyn, and trade success for China*, vaping had probably been the most important "harm reduction" technology against smoking of recent years, and with a lot of potential for saving lives by substituting for tobacco.

    The Unfolding Tragedy of India’s Vape Prohibition

    The story of a vape-less India, a narrative often overlooked by the Western press, is a major tragedy in the developing war against vaping and tobacco harm reduction, where monied interests and the reaction to the subject in the US may have doomed a lifesaving technology in India.

    As of 2018, India held 12 percent of the world’s billion smokers, constituting about 14 percent of the country’s population, or 120 million total smokers. If you count tobacco use in any form, like the popular bidis (unprocessed tobacco rolled in leaves) or gutkha (chewing tobacco), India’s tobacco-use prevalence jumps up to 29 percent, making it the world’s second largest consumer after its neighbor China.

     

    https://filtermag.org/india-vape-prohibition/

    -

    * Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiqh1r4tJeA

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

  9. @Vitas
    This is the new Russian National Anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @AP

    It sounds like the worst of 1980’s Western club/pop music. Is this really what passes as “chic” in modern day Russia? It’s really boring. 🙁

    Where’s Bashibusuk when you really need him?

  10. UAE’s lovebombing of Israel seems to me one of the stronger example of inescapable influence of wealth on peoples’ politics or psychology across the generations. i.e. extreme wealth applied for enough generations can convert anyone’s grandchildren into a hipster.

    Local people in UAE a few generations ago, were presumably very traditionalist conservative Arabs. ​

    After pouring inconceivably vast oil wealth onto the country for a few generations, so that the country’s elite can bath in champagne, and filled the country with Europeans.

    And today UAE begins to act like some stereotypical hipster that dreams of buying an apartment in Tel Aviv.

    Today UAE paid to plants billboards in Israel to celebrate their new relationship.

    I assume Arabs buying property in Israel don’t understand how much they will be taxed as foreign property owners there. (Nonresidents that innocently buy a property in Israel taxed at very high level).

    Peace Deals in Place, Wealthy Gulf Arabs Are Boosting Israel’s Super-Prime Real Estate Market

    Buyers from Gulf countries have helped drive prices for Tel Aviv villas, mansions, and penthouses well above the \$10 million mark, according to Mansion Global. And the resulting activity, though economically beneficial, will only put additional pressure on middle-class locals hoping to afford family homes.

    The agency is also fielding inquiries from senior management at Arab airlines and young professionals who want a base of operations that offers world-class culture, nightlife, and beach living like Tel Aviv.

    One couple in their 30s is on the hunt for a two-bedroom apartment with a doorman, gym, and pool, Bortnick says. They’re looking at Rothschild Boulevard—one of the most expensive streets in Tel Aviv—and have budgeted \$2 million to \$3 million.

    Then there are the “exceptionally broad briefs” Beauchamp is fielding from ultra-high-net-worth Emiratis.

    “There is no maximum budget and the specification is impossible to define, but it must be unique and high spec,” Bortnick says. “That generally translates to penthouses, like HaYarkon 29, or large villas either on Rothschild Avenue or the coast.”

    https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/tel-aviv-real-estate

    • Replies: @Max Payne
    @Dmitry


    I assume Arabs buying property in Israel don’t understand how much they will be taxed as foreign property owners there.
     
    They don't care. They aren't going to be living there anyway. They bought them just to tell the people they know "See? I have an apartment in Tel Aviv" as they post a couple of selfies.

    The empty vanity of Gulf Arabs is the highest form of retardation the universe has ever or will ever witness. If we are living in a simulation it's going to be the infinite universe-breaking retardation of Gulf Arabs that will cause a system-halt and a hard reset.

    At least Tel Aviv is going to enjoy a good time.

    Replies: @Not Raul

  11. @Vishnugupta
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-58564837.amp

    A new military alliance between Australia UK US in the works.

    Australia cancels procurement of French shortfin barracuda SSK.Will procure Nuclear Submarines instead..

    Replies: @angmoh

    It’s easy to laugh at Australia’s idiotic antagonism of its largest trading partner, and we should. But these things happening repeatedly is another example of Chinese diplomatic failure.

    Most modern first world populations default preference is mercantilism in the absence of anti-China propaganda. No doubt Anti-Chinese sentiment would have risen on the back of that propaganda no matter what China did, but international opinion of China is in the toilet across the board. A bit more tact on the Chinese side could have prevented much of it.

    Perhaps the CPC doesn’t care and thinks the tradeoffs (?) are worth it here. But it’s hard to see what the benefits would be.

    It’s been said that ‘wolf warrior’ diplomacy is not a carefully considered strategic decision, but instead a means for CPC machine men to enhance their status internally at the expense of China’s broader interests. I’d buy this argument more if there was less coordinated action from China against their diplomatic adversaries (‘economic coercion’ etc) – so there is obviously a view within the party that the current approach serves China’s interests.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @angmoh

    The success of war propaganda lies on the vilification of your enemies after their actual threats have been neutralized. What used to be anti-Soviet has become anti-Putin and anti-Russia. Fear of ideology becomes fear of ethnic culture. I can foresee the same with the CCP/Chinese, so even if there was a neo-Nationalist regime in China (totally unlikely), China will remain the West's biggest enemy. They are now seen not as commies, but subhumans that want to dominate the world. Only by becoming a patchwork of territories falling fully under the Western sphere of influence (Qing between after 1900), without sovereignty or self-determination, will the Chinese welcomed back to the fold of the West.

    Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected

    , @Yevardian
    @angmoh

    I feel the Chinese leadership has simply given up on winning over any world opinion, given how overwhelmingly strangehold Angloids hold over global media, even if they're stagnating or falling behind in almost every real metric.

    So, if they'll invariably be seen as villains, they might as well reap the shortcuts coming of that. It is impressive how China has even turned the Philipines against it, though.

  12. @Morton's toes
    @A123

    The last time I was inside a restaurant that permitted cigarette smoking it was a Waffle House in Nashville TN.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    The scary thing in America is not that they (since Bloomberg in New York as early as 2002) ban public smoking, but that FDA is trying to ban vaping.

    From this month, the FDA will ban the sale of most flavoured eliquids.

    And moreover, American interests (including Bloomberg, but also possibly the tobacco industry) had an influence on the banning of vaping in India.

    Aside from some hipster fashion in Brooklyn, and trade success for China*, vaping had probably been the most important “harm reduction” technology against smoking of recent years, and with a lot of potential for saving lives by substituting for tobacco.

    The Unfolding Tragedy of India’s Vape Prohibition

    The story of a vape-less India, a narrative often overlooked by the Western press, is a major tragedy in the developing war against vaping and tobacco harm reduction, where monied interests and the reaction to the subject in the US may have doomed a lifesaving technology in India.

    As of 2018, India held 12 percent of the world’s billion smokers, constituting about 14 percent of the country’s population, or 120 million total smokers. If you count tobacco use in any form, like the popular bidis (unprocessed tobacco rolled in leaves) or gutkha (chewing tobacco), India’s tobacco-use prevalence jumps up to 29 percent, making it the world’s second largest consumer after its neighbor China.

    https://filtermag.org/india-vape-prohibition/

    * Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.

    • Replies: @anyone with a brain
    @Dmitry


    Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.
     
    When I lived in the U.S.A I worked with a dude whose son was involved in founding or something of a vape company, the son was a physics PhD and was looking to go to work at Google where a a friend of his already worked but said that Google was having problems with gender.

    Anyways it brings me to Karlin's and other's point about Wallstreet and silicon Valley being brains drains that stunt the growth and innovation.

    I agree. I will present a simple 3 stage model of modernization. Shit country --> moderately prosperous country --> rat race country.

    A shit hole country is where talented people and untalented people have to flee to survive.
    A moderately prosperous country is one where the talented have financial security and can dedicate their talents to what they want to do.
    A rat race country is a country where the talented have to pursue money because financial stability is precarious and difficult to attain.

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
    I want to echo Michael Hudson and point out that there is tons of money dedicated to rent extraction, not creating wealth. The difference is between buying more slaves/plantations and creating the cotton gin.

    Also lmao at India for going straight from shit hole country straight to rat race country.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Almost Missouri

  13. China is preparing to try to flood the world with cheaper electric vehicles.

    A transition to (much technologically simpler to design and build) electric vehicles, could provide an opportunity for China to build successful automakers.

    The most popular EV in China is Wuling Hongguang Mini EV.

    Chinese electric cars are kind of tempting – this only costs \$4500 (to compare, Nissan Leaf – \$30000).

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    Have they got stringent QC standards? You know those stories of Chinese batteries bursting in flames, and they are blighting the image of those vehicles, which no amount of marketing can fix.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Svevlad

    , @(((They))) Live
    @Dmitry

    Its the new F150 lightning and other EV trucks coming on line thats the important EV news IMO, it looks like they will sell well, thats a lot of oil demand that will disappear, google tells me that an F150 can last at least 150K miles at 21MPG, if even a small number of truck buyers switch to electric that a bit hit to OPEC and all oil producers, OPEC make more profit from trucks/SUVs than car companies

    Also I notice that batteries continue to get cheaper despite the rising EV sales, this was not possible according to most "experts". But I expect it to continue for a while more

  14. @angmoh
    @Vishnugupta

    It's easy to laugh at Australia's idiotic antagonism of its largest trading partner, and we should. But these things happening repeatedly is another example of Chinese diplomatic failure.

    Most modern first world populations default preference is mercantilism in the absence of anti-China propaganda. No doubt Anti-Chinese sentiment would have risen on the back of that propaganda no matter what China did, but international opinion of China is in the toilet across the board. A bit more tact on the Chinese side could have prevented much of it.

    Perhaps the CPC doesn't care and thinks the tradeoffs (?) are worth it here. But it's hard to see what the benefits would be.

    It's been said that 'wolf warrior' diplomacy is not a carefully considered strategic decision, but instead a means for CPC machine men to enhance their status internally at the expense of China's broader interests. I'd buy this argument more if there was less coordinated action from China against their diplomatic adversaries ('economic coercion' etc) - so there is obviously a view within the party that the current approach serves China's interests.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian

    The success of war propaganda lies on the vilification of your enemies after their actual threats have been neutralized. What used to be anti-Soviet has become anti-Putin and anti-Russia. Fear of ideology becomes fear of ethnic culture. I can foresee the same with the CCP/Chinese, so even if there was a neo-Nationalist regime in China (totally unlikely), China will remain the West’s biggest enemy. They are now seen not as commies, but subhumans that want to dominate the world. Only by becoming a patchwork of territories falling fully under the Western sphere of influence (Qing between after 1900), without sovereignty or self-determination, will the Chinese welcomed back to the fold of the West.

    • Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected
    @Yellowface Anon


    The success of war propaganda lies on the vilification of your enemies after their actual threats have been neutralized. What used to be anti-Soviet has become anti-Putin and anti-Russia. Fear of ideology becomes fear of ethnic culture. I can foresee the same with the CCP/Chinese, so even if there was a neo-Nationalist regime in China (totally unlikely), China will remain the West’s biggest enemy. They are now seen not as commies, but subhumans that want to dominate the world.
     
    This is why the Russians and the Chinese must understand that the West cannot be reasoned with, and a change of government will not do them any good. The West wants to subjugate them and rob them. This is how the Western nations kept going for the last 200 years, it is time they return back to caves.
  15. @Dmitry
    China is preparing to try to flood the world with cheaper electric vehicles.

    A transition to (much technologically simpler to design and build) electric vehicles, could provide an opportunity for China to build successful automakers.


    The most popular EV in China is Wuling Hongguang Mini EV.

    Chinese electric cars are kind of tempting - this only costs $4500 (to compare, Nissan Leaf - $30000).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFSJDSh1jmE

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @(((They))) Live

    Have they got stringent QC standards? You know those stories of Chinese batteries bursting in flames, and they are blighting the image of those vehicles, which no amount of marketing can fix.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yellowface Anon

    Lithium batteries are a little dangerous by their inherent nature.

    Some of the best quality lithium batteries are manufactured in China e.g. the VTC6 Sony/Murata 18650 cells.

    At the same time, the number of legitimate Sony/Murata VTC6 cells, are counterbalanced by all the fake/counterfeit VTC6 cells produced in China.

    The legitimate cells manufactured in China can be excellent; but there is a vast number of fake cells, being produced by people trying to profit from the good reputation of the legitimate manufacturer.

    In China there is also massive fake production of batteries from other countries, like the Taiwanese Molicel batteries.

    So it sounds to us like a typical Chinese problem of low social trust, weak regulation and "cowboy capitalism". If you add political corruption to the situation - then there is the stereotypical recipe that created things like melamine milk, coronavirus, Tianjin explosion, Peking smog, etc.

    But I assume that these large automobile manufacturers like Wuling, have good oversight on the battery manufacturer. And there are companies like BYD that manufacture their own batteries, and which seem to be working well to power buses around the world.

    Tesla seems to be happy with the Chinese battery supplier CATL, and hundreds of thousands of Teslas now have these Chinese manufactured battery cells. ​https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinese-ev-battery-maker-catl-extends-deal-with-tesla-2021-06-28/

    So perhaps, and hopefully, consumers won't have exploding car batteries.

    A flood of small cheap, Chinese EVs, would be an excellent improvement for consumers around the world - to provide a cheaper option than exists currently. Outside of ultra high income countries like the USA or Norway, Tesla is only something for the bourgeoisie. Even a Nissan Leaf is too expensive for most people outside of the most wealthy countries. Geely is more in the realistic range that people in middle income countries should spend on a car.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    China, even if it annihilated all corruption, raised and met standards that are literally impossible, and had god-level production quality, would still be universally hated, and as a matter of fact, if their products became so high quality, the west would only hate them more, because that's ultra-insubordination. They're already in a genocidal mood.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  16. @Vitas
    This is the new Russian National Anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @AP

    Seven Elements are too many.

    FIVE Elements, much better.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  17. @Dmitry
    @Morton's toes

    The scary thing in America is not that they (since Bloomberg in New York as early as 2002) ban public smoking, but that FDA is trying to ban vaping.

    From this month, the FDA will ban the sale of most flavoured eliquids.

    And moreover, American interests (including Bloomberg, but also possibly the tobacco industry) had an influence on the banning of vaping in India.

    Aside from some hipster fashion in Brooklyn, and trade success for China*, vaping had probably been the most important "harm reduction" technology against smoking of recent years, and with a lot of potential for saving lives by substituting for tobacco.

    The Unfolding Tragedy of India’s Vape Prohibition

    The story of a vape-less India, a narrative often overlooked by the Western press, is a major tragedy in the developing war against vaping and tobacco harm reduction, where monied interests and the reaction to the subject in the US may have doomed a lifesaving technology in India.

    As of 2018, India held 12 percent of the world’s billion smokers, constituting about 14 percent of the country’s population, or 120 million total smokers. If you count tobacco use in any form, like the popular bidis (unprocessed tobacco rolled in leaves) or gutkha (chewing tobacco), India’s tobacco-use prevalence jumps up to 29 percent, making it the world’s second largest consumer after its neighbor China.

     

    https://filtermag.org/india-vape-prohibition/

    -

    * Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiqh1r4tJeA

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.

    When I lived in the U.S.A I worked with a dude whose son was involved in founding or something of a vape company, the son was a physics PhD and was looking to go to work at Google where a a friend of his already worked but said that Google was having problems with gender.

    Anyways it brings me to Karlin’s and other’s point about Wallstreet and silicon Valley being brains drains that stunt the growth and innovation.

    I agree. I will present a simple 3 stage model of modernization. Shit country –> moderately prosperous country –> rat race country.

    A shit hole country is where talented people and untalented people have to flee to survive.
    A moderately prosperous country is one where the talented have financial security and can dedicate their talents to what they want to do.
    A rat race country is a country where the talented have to pursue money because financial stability is precarious and difficult to attain.

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
    I want to echo Michael Hudson and point out that there is tons of money dedicated to rent extraction, not creating wealth. The difference is between buying more slaves/plantations and creating the cotton gin.

    Also lmao at India for going straight from shit hole country straight to rat race country.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @A123
    @anyone with a brain


    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.
     
    The desperation of Chinese workers to obtain and retain *996 jobs* shows that the eleventh Jinping of China has kept his predecessors "Victorian Values" on course.

    Workers who made the mistake of investing their life savings with the heavily CCP connected Evergrande seem to be slightly miffed. (1)

    As the collapse of Evergrande reverberates throughout the Chinese economy, pissed off retail investors have gone from storming the company's headquarters to taking management hostage, according to the Straits Times, citing posts 'making the rounds' on social media.

    What we know so far: over 70,000 retail investors forked over vast sums of money, in some cases their entire life savings, after the country's second largest, 'too big to fail' property developer wooed them with promises of 10%+ annual returns. And while the company most likely is TBTF (as you can read in gory detail here, although Beijing has yet to make an official proclamation), these anxious retail investors may be in more of an "Alive" situation than a Sully Sullenberger landing when it comes to resolving this mess.
     
    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid. If Xi attempted to, create competition for workers, instead of workers competing for jobs, he would be found next morning on a street corner holding a piece of cardboard saying "Will Work For Food".

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/enraged-evergrande-investors-go-full-pitchfork-hold-management-hostage-company-offices

    https://youtu.be/l8wWoQ3_F00

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    , @Dmitry
    @anyone with a brain

    The vaping industry is mainly based in Shenzhen China.

    But the most sophisticated and industry leading chipset for vaping are designed and manufactured in Ohio USA (by "Evolv").

    You can buy the boards yourself. But I guess mostly they ship these from Ohio, to Shenzhen, where they are built into the Chinese devices.

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage - 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    The temperature control functions because the ohms of the heating material increases with temperature, so on their Escribe software uses models for the different materials to determine their temperature.

    The software also allows you to import different ohm to temperature models for different materials. This can be helpful for users' safety, as the solvents which e-cigarette liquid is composed by, release carcinogenic compounds above certain temperatures, but not below them. ( you can see the possibilities from the datasheet https://downloads.evolvapor.com/dna60.pdf )

    But it seems like vaping will become another stereotype American tragedy, as the authorities begin to ban this life saving technology, presumably because of the influence of the agricultural industry (tobacco industry), as well as funding from Saint-Simonian view of interference in citizens' lives (Bloomberg), and a kind of moral panic about children using Juuls.

    Replies: @mal

    , @Almost Missouri
    @anyone with a brain


    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
     
    Semi. In the mid-twentieth century, Bell Labs's owner, AT&T, was basically a national monopoly, like the an electricity utility but for telephony. So the research at Bell Labs was paid for by what was effectively a semi-invisible national tax on phone calls. Though Bell was officially an "industrial lab", they did sponsor some research that was pretty far afield form their core mission, stuff about deep space, the origin of the universe, etc., i.e. the kind of stuff that appeals to the same physics nerds who do radio-frequency research and network utility theory. I think they even employed a Nobel winner or two. Anyhow, calling it "controlled" by the government is IMHO too strong. It was sort of funded by the government through its government-sanctioned defacto monopoly, but the research was directed by AT&T lab executives, not federal bureaucrats. That said, there were probably cases where the DoD or NSA dropped by to "get a little help" with something or other. And there's no denying that the Federal government was a major customer of AT&T, even if the overwhelming majority of that custom was the prosaic provision of phone service to ordinary telephones. Hey, bureaucrats have to make phone call too.

    In IIRC the 1980s, AT&T's monopoly began breaking up, and AT&T had to streamline because it could no longer rely on national monopoly rent revenues. Bell Labs eventually stopped doing anything that didn't have decently foreseeable ROI. Besides that Bell Labs was shrinking both in staff and mission, Silicon Valley became the new exciting place for young nerds to launch their careers. Plus California bay area vs. New Jersey, I mean, c'mon man! Today, Bell Labs is a shadow of its former self. What was left after all the streamlining and downsizing was sold off to French Alcatel who then sold it on to Finnish Nokia.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

  18. @anyone with a brain
    @Dmitry


    Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.
     
    When I lived in the U.S.A I worked with a dude whose son was involved in founding or something of a vape company, the son was a physics PhD and was looking to go to work at Google where a a friend of his already worked but said that Google was having problems with gender.

    Anyways it brings me to Karlin's and other's point about Wallstreet and silicon Valley being brains drains that stunt the growth and innovation.

    I agree. I will present a simple 3 stage model of modernization. Shit country --> moderately prosperous country --> rat race country.

    A shit hole country is where talented people and untalented people have to flee to survive.
    A moderately prosperous country is one where the talented have financial security and can dedicate their talents to what they want to do.
    A rat race country is a country where the talented have to pursue money because financial stability is precarious and difficult to attain.

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
    I want to echo Michael Hudson and point out that there is tons of money dedicated to rent extraction, not creating wealth. The difference is between buying more slaves/plantations and creating the cotton gin.

    Also lmao at India for going straight from shit hole country straight to rat race country.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Almost Missouri

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    The desperation of Chinese workers to obtain and retain *996 jobs* shows that the eleventh Jinping of China has kept his predecessors “Victorian Values” on course.

    Workers who made the mistake of investing their life savings with the heavily CCP connected Evergrande seem to be slightly miffed. (1)

    As the collapse of Evergrande reverberates throughout the Chinese economy, pissed off retail investors have gone from storming the company’s headquarters to taking management hostage, according to the Straits Times, citing posts ‘making the rounds’ on social media.

    What we know so far: over 70,000 retail investors forked over vast sums of money, in some cases their entire life savings, after the country’s second largest, ‘too big to fail’ property developer wooed them with promises of 10%+ annual returns. And while the company most likely is TBTF (as you can read in gory detail here, although Beijing has yet to make an official proclamation), these anxious retail investors may be in more of an “Alive” situation than a Sully Sullenberger landing when it comes to resolving this mess.

    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid. If Xi attempted to, create competition for workers, instead of workers competing for jobs, he would be found next morning on a street corner holding a piece of cardboard saying “Will Work For Food”.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/enraged-evergrande-investors-go-full-pitchfork-hold-management-hostage-company-offices

    • Replies: @anyone with a brain
    @A123

    Here is a good rundown about how China is tackling 996 culture and the rise of private rent seeking elites

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/in-counter-to-us-attacks-china-transforms-itself-from-capital-centric-to-people-centric.html

    About Evergrande, China is taking steps to cool down an overheated sector, the steps will be painful but the alternative is the rise of an entrenched all powerful private elite re-feudalizing the country. The China path is way better than the neoliberal globalist path the U.S and NATO allies have taken.


    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid.
     
    The opposite is what they are all about. Their stated goals and recorded accomplishments prove that to be the case and one other close piece of evidence is the fact they invite Michael Hudson to educate them on economics. Furthermore George Soros hates them, and they hate him too. The communist party of China has brought prosperity and development to China, which about a hundred years ago was an Africa level shit hole.

    The great bifurcation which Anatoly has not written about yet, will not be motivated by something like an Iron curtain tension about ideology, but the revulsion a superior culture has to a lower or culture-less blob that unfortunately inhabits the same planet.

    Hey Ying-Yang, do you want to buy this new apple product? Fuck no, I don't want to buy an overpriced NSA-backdoored inferior piece of hardware.
    ~ every Chinese person in about 2 years
    The Chinese are smart and they have quickly become disillusioned with NATO culture.

    Replies: @A123, @Yellowface Anon

  19. @anyone with a brain
    @Dmitry


    Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.
     
    When I lived in the U.S.A I worked with a dude whose son was involved in founding or something of a vape company, the son was a physics PhD and was looking to go to work at Google where a a friend of his already worked but said that Google was having problems with gender.

    Anyways it brings me to Karlin's and other's point about Wallstreet and silicon Valley being brains drains that stunt the growth and innovation.

    I agree. I will present a simple 3 stage model of modernization. Shit country --> moderately prosperous country --> rat race country.

    A shit hole country is where talented people and untalented people have to flee to survive.
    A moderately prosperous country is one where the talented have financial security and can dedicate their talents to what they want to do.
    A rat race country is a country where the talented have to pursue money because financial stability is precarious and difficult to attain.

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
    I want to echo Michael Hudson and point out that there is tons of money dedicated to rent extraction, not creating wealth. The difference is between buying more slaves/plantations and creating the cotton gin.

    Also lmao at India for going straight from shit hole country straight to rat race country.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Almost Missouri

    The vaping industry is mainly based in Shenzhen China.

    But the most sophisticated and industry leading chipset for vaping are designed and manufactured in Ohio USA (by “Evolv”).

    You can buy the boards yourself. But I guess mostly they ship these from Ohio, to Shenzhen, where they are built into the Chinese devices.

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage – 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    The temperature control functions because the ohms of the heating material increases with temperature, so on their Escribe software uses models for the different materials to determine their temperature.

    The software also allows you to import different ohm to temperature models for different materials. This can be helpful for users’ safety, as the solvents which e-cigarette liquid is composed by, release carcinogenic compounds above certain temperatures, but not below them. ( you can see the possibilities from the datasheet https://downloads.evolvapor.com/dna60.pdf )

    But it seems like vaping will become another stereotype American tragedy, as the authorities begin to ban this life saving technology, presumably because of the influence of the agricultural industry (tobacco industry), as well as funding from Saint-Simonian view of interference in citizens’ lives (Bloomberg), and a kind of moral panic about children using Juuls.

    • Replies: @mal
    @Dmitry


    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage – 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.
     
    Never bet against Midwest American engineers. A century ago, Soviet industrial power was created by guys from Gary, Indiana (it wasn't a hood rat shithole back then), and now Chinese vaping prowess comes from Ohio.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  20. @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    Have they got stringent QC standards? You know those stories of Chinese batteries bursting in flames, and they are blighting the image of those vehicles, which no amount of marketing can fix.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Svevlad

    Lithium batteries are a little dangerous by their inherent nature.

    Some of the best quality lithium batteries are manufactured in China e.g. the VTC6 Sony/Murata 18650 cells.

    At the same time, the number of legitimate Sony/Murata VTC6 cells, are counterbalanced by all the fake/counterfeit VTC6 cells produced in China.

    The legitimate cells manufactured in China can be excellent; but there is a vast number of fake cells, being produced by people trying to profit from the good reputation of the legitimate manufacturer.

    In China there is also massive fake production of batteries from other countries, like the Taiwanese Molicel batteries.

    So it sounds to us like a typical Chinese problem of low social trust, weak regulation and “cowboy capitalism”. If you add political corruption to the situation – then there is the stereotypical recipe that created things like melamine milk, coronavirus, Tianjin explosion, Peking smog, etc.

    But I assume that these large automobile manufacturers like Wuling, have good oversight on the battery manufacturer. And there are companies like BYD that manufacture their own batteries, and which seem to be working well to power buses around the world.

    Tesla seems to be happy with the Chinese battery supplier CATL, and hundreds of thousands of Teslas now have these Chinese manufactured battery cells. ​https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinese-ev-battery-maker-catl-extends-deal-with-tesla-2021-06-28/

    So perhaps, and hopefully, consumers won’t have exploding car batteries.

    A flood of small cheap, Chinese EVs, would be an excellent improvement for consumers around the world – to provide a cheaper option than exists currently. Outside of ultra high income countries like the USA or Norway, Tesla is only something for the bourgeoisie. Even a Nissan Leaf is too expensive for most people outside of the most wealthy countries. Geely is more in the realistic range that people in middle income countries should spend on a car.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    One of my technology transfer projects was to arrange for lithium cell monitoring technology developed by the European Space Agency to be transferred into the Bordnetz consortium, the standard setters for 42V (ie hybrid and electrical) systems for cars.

    A stack of cells is as good as the weakest cell. ESA was able to monitor each cell and switch off the stack in a rather neat and elegant way. This is an absolute requirement in a space craft. It's quite good in an aircraft too. Airbus and Bombardier took it on. Boeing's corporate antibodies threw it out. Boeing then had cockpit fires. European designed EVs and hybrids have an evolution of this system in place. The Japanese rely on phenomenal quality control on their lithium cells. In my day, Sony were unreal in their consistency compared to anyone else (making monitoring system obsolete). This was the source of the Boeing problem. The original design engineers specified Sony. Then value engineers turned up. Chinese were cheap. All Rev 2+ versions of complex engineering systems have been reviewed by value engineers. In HP it happened 6 months after initial product release and was usually in the product by 18 months out.

    I have no idea about Tesla batteries. I am sure all manufacturers are now at the level of Sony in 2005. However, I would still prefer a Bordnetz hybrid/EV over any other, except perhaps one using Japanese batteries from the fire safety perspective. I think Ford joined Bordnetz. I don't recall about GM.

    Russia is absolutely nowhere with any of this and seems to be betting as much on hydrogen as electric for native technical solutions to automotive tranportation. It has a great base in trolleybuses and trams and is building electric buses but not with local batteries or control technology, if any. There is a serious base of Russian supercapacitor work.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  21. @A123
    @anyone with a brain


    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.
     
    The desperation of Chinese workers to obtain and retain *996 jobs* shows that the eleventh Jinping of China has kept his predecessors "Victorian Values" on course.

    Workers who made the mistake of investing their life savings with the heavily CCP connected Evergrande seem to be slightly miffed. (1)

    As the collapse of Evergrande reverberates throughout the Chinese economy, pissed off retail investors have gone from storming the company's headquarters to taking management hostage, according to the Straits Times, citing posts 'making the rounds' on social media.

    What we know so far: over 70,000 retail investors forked over vast sums of money, in some cases their entire life savings, after the country's second largest, 'too big to fail' property developer wooed them with promises of 10%+ annual returns. And while the company most likely is TBTF (as you can read in gory detail here, although Beijing has yet to make an official proclamation), these anxious retail investors may be in more of an "Alive" situation than a Sully Sullenberger landing when it comes to resolving this mess.
     
    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid. If Xi attempted to, create competition for workers, instead of workers competing for jobs, he would be found next morning on a street corner holding a piece of cardboard saying "Will Work For Food".

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/enraged-evergrande-investors-go-full-pitchfork-hold-management-hostage-company-offices

    https://youtu.be/l8wWoQ3_F00

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    Here is a good rundown about how China is tackling 996 culture and the rise of private rent seeking elites

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/in-counter-to-us-attacks-china-transforms-itself-from-capital-centric-to-people-centric.html

    About Evergrande, China is taking steps to cool down an overheated sector, the steps will be painful but the alternative is the rise of an entrenched all powerful private elite re-feudalizing the country. The China path is way better than the neoliberal globalist path the U.S and NATO allies have taken.

    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid.

    The opposite is what they are all about. Their stated goals and recorded accomplishments prove that to be the case and one other close piece of evidence is the fact they invite Michael Hudson to educate them on economics. Furthermore George Soros hates them, and they hate him too. The communist party of China has brought prosperity and development to China, which about a hundred years ago was an Africa level shit hole.

    The great bifurcation which Anatoly has not written about yet, will not be motivated by something like an Iron curtain tension about ideology, but the revulsion a superior culture has to a lower or culture-less blob that unfortunately inhabits the same planet.

    Hey Ying-Yang, do you want to buy this new apple product? Fuck no, I don’t want to buy an overpriced NSA-backdoored inferior piece of hardware.
    ~ every Chinese person in about 2 years
    The Chinese are smart and they have quickly become disillusioned with NATO culture.

    • Replies: @A123
    @anyone with a brain

    I will look at this tomorrow in more detail. However, you have a critical failure with your attempt:

    There are four 100% fiction sites that immediately indicate un-truthfulness:

    -- mondowuss (Proven liars)
    -- electronicintafake (Proven liars)
    -- moonofkhamanei (Proven liars)

    -- veteranstoday (Satanic. I do not mean this lightly. Your soul could be permanently damaged by VT. And, you wind up with Mershavir's criminal record for stalking and assault).

    The first three could be simple mistakes of judgement. If you want to be taken seriously, avoid them.

    For God's sake (literally God, not an exaggeration) Lucifer personally chooses what is published at VT. Do not be lured by Satan's fiction. VT is an abomination of Allah, Master Of Lies.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @anyone with a brain

    There is a great distance between ideology, rhetoric and practice, in both the West and China. This is the reason the world is the mess it is now.

  22. @Dmitry
    UAE's lovebombing of Israel seems to me one of the stronger example of inescapable influence of wealth on peoples' politics or psychology across the generations. i.e. extreme wealth applied for enough generations can convert anyone's grandchildren into a hipster.

    Local people in UAE a few generations ago, were presumably very traditionalist conservative Arabs. ​

    After pouring inconceivably vast oil wealth onto the country for a few generations, so that the country's elite can bath in champagne, and filled the country with Europeans.

    And today UAE begins to act like some stereotypical hipster that dreams of buying an apartment in Tel Aviv.

    Today UAE paid to plants billboards in Israel to celebrate their new relationship.

    https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/273/jAeivT.jpg

    I assume Arabs buying property in Israel don't understand how much they will be taxed as foreign property owners there. (Nonresidents that innocently buy a property in Israel taxed at very high level).


    Peace Deals in Place, Wealthy Gulf Arabs Are Boosting Israel’s Super-Prime Real Estate Market

    Buyers from Gulf countries have helped drive prices for Tel Aviv villas, mansions, and penthouses well above the $10 million mark, according to Mansion Global. And the resulting activity, though economically beneficial, will only put additional pressure on middle-class locals hoping to afford family homes.
    -
    The agency is also fielding inquiries from senior management at Arab airlines and young professionals who want a base of operations that offers world-class culture, nightlife, and beach living like Tel Aviv.

    One couple in their 30s is on the hunt for a two-bedroom apartment with a doorman, gym, and pool, Bortnick says. They’re looking at Rothschild Boulevard—one of the most expensive streets in Tel Aviv—and have budgeted $2 million to $3 million.

    Then there are the “exceptionally broad briefs” Beauchamp is fielding from ultra-high-net-worth Emiratis.

    “There is no maximum budget and the specification is impossible to define, but it must be unique and high spec,” Bortnick says. “That generally translates to penthouses, like HaYarkon 29, or large villas either on Rothschild Avenue or the coast.”
     

    https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/tel-aviv-real-estate

    Replies: @Max Payne

    I assume Arabs buying property in Israel don’t understand how much they will be taxed as foreign property owners there.

    They don’t care. They aren’t going to be living there anyway. They bought them just to tell the people they know “See? I have an apartment in Tel Aviv” as they post a couple of selfies.

    The empty vanity of Gulf Arabs is the highest form of retardation the universe has ever or will ever witness. If we are living in a simulation it’s going to be the infinite universe-breaking retardation of Gulf Arabs that will cause a system-halt and a hard reset.

    At least Tel Aviv is going to enjoy a good time.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Max Payne

    On the other hand, they found a way to get lots of Muslims in to buildings filled with elite Israelis.

    I would imagine that people would complain, and find a pretext to keep a lot of Arabs from buying luxury condos. Rich Israelis didn’t spend millions on condos to spend time around Arabs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  23. Re: tweet in sidebar

    “tsunami of money heading into longevity.”

    Let me put it like this: Crypto + Weed => Tsunami of money into Longevity.

    Yet it seems like one of those ’20 years away’ fields (or is it ’70 years away’ when we consider the suggestive photos of flappy bicycles vs stealth airplanes?), and tsunamis of money don’t necessarily yield much results in those. Especially, I’d say, in medicine. So I’m feeling sanguine about its future.

    In spite of this, I’d appreciate if someone, like for instance Anatoly, would make the case for why longevity is closer than it seems. Make it an effortpost plz.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Pericles

    I don't have a relevant scientific background, so from purely that perspective, I'm agnostic on RLE timelines.

    What I am observing is that:

    * Tons of new startups are coming online, which was happening before the crypto boom: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geek-picnic-2019/

    * Aubrey de Grey suddenly became a lot more optimistic at that point. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/aubrey-de-grey-getting-more-optimistic-on-life-extension/

    * The rate of breakthroughs in that space, based on casual observation, seems to be ticking up over the past two years in particular.

    As above, I can't say when or even if it will happen. But when it does, it might be quite sudden in historical terms. At any rate, I'm a $VITA holder.

    https://twitter.com/RokoMijic/status/1437829861779906569

  24. @anyone with a brain
    @A123

    Here is a good rundown about how China is tackling 996 culture and the rise of private rent seeking elites

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/in-counter-to-us-attacks-china-transforms-itself-from-capital-centric-to-people-centric.html

    About Evergrande, China is taking steps to cool down an overheated sector, the steps will be painful but the alternative is the rise of an entrenched all powerful private elite re-feudalizing the country. The China path is way better than the neoliberal globalist path the U.S and NATO allies have taken.


    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid.
     
    The opposite is what they are all about. Their stated goals and recorded accomplishments prove that to be the case and one other close piece of evidence is the fact they invite Michael Hudson to educate them on economics. Furthermore George Soros hates them, and they hate him too. The communist party of China has brought prosperity and development to China, which about a hundred years ago was an Africa level shit hole.

    The great bifurcation which Anatoly has not written about yet, will not be motivated by something like an Iron curtain tension about ideology, but the revulsion a superior culture has to a lower or culture-less blob that unfortunately inhabits the same planet.

    Hey Ying-Yang, do you want to buy this new apple product? Fuck no, I don't want to buy an overpriced NSA-backdoored inferior piece of hardware.
    ~ every Chinese person in about 2 years
    The Chinese are smart and they have quickly become disillusioned with NATO culture.

    Replies: @A123, @Yellowface Anon

    I will look at this tomorrow in more detail. However, you have a critical failure with your attempt:

    There are four 100% fiction sites that immediately indicate un-truthfulness:

    — mondowuss (Proven liars)
    — electronicintafake (Proven liars)
    — moonofkhamanei (Proven liars)

    — veteranstoday (Satanic. I do not mean this lightly. Your soul could be permanently damaged by VT. And, you wind up with Mershavir’s criminal record for stalking and assault).

    The first three could be simple mistakes of judgement. If you want to be taken seriously, avoid them.

    For God’s sake (literally God, not an exaggeration) Lucifer personally chooses what is published at VT. Do not be lured by Satan’s fiction. VT is an abomination of Allah, Master Of Lies.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @A123

    Love your infectious enthusiasm cheers buddy.

  25. East Asia has a demographic problem because there is no “insular high fertility culture”, the are no East Asian Amish, orthodox etc. people.

  26. @anyone with a brain
    @A123

    Here is a good rundown about how China is tackling 996 culture and the rise of private rent seeking elites

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/09/in-counter-to-us-attacks-china-transforms-itself-from-capital-centric-to-people-centric.html

    About Evergrande, China is taking steps to cool down an overheated sector, the steps will be painful but the alternative is the rise of an entrenched all powerful private elite re-feudalizing the country. The China path is way better than the neoliberal globalist path the U.S and NATO allies have taken.


    The Elite CCP is all about funneling wealth and power to the top of their pyramid.
     
    The opposite is what they are all about. Their stated goals and recorded accomplishments prove that to be the case and one other close piece of evidence is the fact they invite Michael Hudson to educate them on economics. Furthermore George Soros hates them, and they hate him too. The communist party of China has brought prosperity and development to China, which about a hundred years ago was an Africa level shit hole.

    The great bifurcation which Anatoly has not written about yet, will not be motivated by something like an Iron curtain tension about ideology, but the revulsion a superior culture has to a lower or culture-less blob that unfortunately inhabits the same planet.

    Hey Ying-Yang, do you want to buy this new apple product? Fuck no, I don't want to buy an overpriced NSA-backdoored inferior piece of hardware.
    ~ every Chinese person in about 2 years
    The Chinese are smart and they have quickly become disillusioned with NATO culture.

    Replies: @A123, @Yellowface Anon

    There is a great distance between ideology, rhetoric and practice, in both the West and China. This is the reason the world is the mess it is now.

  27. Interesting but not surprising:

    Putin to attend Beijing Winter Olympics: Russian FM

    https://www.shine.cn/sport/2109175150/

    Russian President Vladimir Putin has accepted China’s invitation to attend the Beijing Winter Olympic Games in February 2022, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Thursday.

    Lavrov made the announcement in the Tajik capital of Dushanbe, according to Russian media reports.

    Russia is still under the hypocritically warped sanctions which include not having its government officials at the Olympics, unless they’re invited by the host country.

  28. @Pericles
    Re: tweet in sidebar

    "tsunami of money heading into longevity."

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1438182559297556486

    Let me put it like this: Crypto + Weed => Tsunami of money into Longevity.

    Yet it seems like one of those '20 years away' fields (or is it '70 years away' when we consider the suggestive photos of flappy bicycles vs stealth airplanes?), and tsunamis of money don't necessarily yield much results in those. Especially, I'd say, in medicine. So I'm feeling sanguine about its future.

    In spite of this, I'd appreciate if someone, like for instance Anatoly, would make the case for why longevity is closer than it seems. Make it an effortpost plz.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t have a relevant scientific background, so from purely that perspective, I’m agnostic on RLE timelines.

    What I am observing is that:

    * Tons of new startups are coming online, which was happening before the crypto boom: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/geek-picnic-2019/

    * Aubrey de Grey suddenly became a lot more optimistic at that point. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/aubrey-de-grey-getting-more-optimistic-on-life-extension/

    * The rate of breakthroughs in that space, based on casual observation, seems to be ticking up over the past two years in particular.

    As above, I can’t say when or even if it will happen. But when it does, it might be quite sudden in historical terms. At any rate, I’m a \$VITA holder.

  29. As far as I am concerned, the cuckoldry decline in Sweden means very little. Birth control, easy divorce, women working, and men working shorter hours likely all have their influences.

    But in broad terms, Swedes are cucking more than ever now because they are supporting many more of the kids of other fathers, even if they are not begat on their own wives.

    Sweden should create some reservation for cucks. In time, it woud be completely taken over by non-Euroepans, and then it would be possible to remediate and reclaim for the children and grandchildren of noncucked Swedes.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @songbird


    But in broad terms, Swedes are cucking more than ever now because they are supporting many more of the kids of other fathers, even if they are not begat on their own wives.

     

    Sweden Yes, but it's literally the same in any country with a 'welfare state', up to and including the U.S.A., the Home of Freedom on Earth, Play Taps. The beta males are cucked to work and by the sweat of their brows pay their beta bucks rewards to raise other people's children (who usually complain that they aren't paying enough). In the modern version, they also get to pay for the children of third world migrants.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Yevardian
    @songbird

    Does it the graph only count married couples though? More relevantly (we're discussing Sweden here), does it count cuckoldry between 'consenting adults'?

    Replies: @songbird

  30. @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    Have they got stringent QC standards? You know those stories of Chinese batteries bursting in flames, and they are blighting the image of those vehicles, which no amount of marketing can fix.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Svevlad

    China, even if it annihilated all corruption, raised and met standards that are literally impossible, and had god-level production quality, would still be universally hated, and as a matter of fact, if their products became so high quality, the west would only hate them more, because that’s ultra-insubordination. They’re already in a genocidal mood.

    • Agree: mal
    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad

    Any state and culture will have its admirers and detractors. But in the case of Russia and China, the share of admirers are suppressed and detractors inflated by biased propaganda.

    In a saner world, a China that functions as a significant pole in the Eurasian space will be respected. But so what?

  31. I just looked at the headline image of Whitney’s newest post. Destroying 7/8ths of the global population sounds incredible, but those who are emboiled in seeing their struggle with the WEF hysterically instead of reasonably will believe that. But in reality, COVID vaccines in themselves will

    The vaccines won’t be the real killers. They can only kill a few million (if all 8 billion people became vaccinated) from vaccine side-effects that are visible in a year or two, and then some more foregone babies because of reduced fertility from COVID or the vaccines, and those people who find themselves getting heart conditions. Whoever says otherwise does not understand scale and probability, only looking at the numbers without context, and thinks in a linear cause-and-effect way – it makes for good logic for tit-for-tat quips about official body counts, but seldom works in personal risk assessment. (I’m not saying heart conditions is a sufficient risk for getting some types of vaccines that purports to address a disease on the level of serious flu, nor are mandates truly justified.)

    The real killer is the struggle between the elites and populists, which will show up as civil unrest and the unraveling of economic support, healthcare and infrastructure, as self-imposed and enforced deprivation. After that, we will have either the elites or populists impose a system that don’t support as much population as we have under late capitalism (Segregated governance? Dismantling elite-controlled production systems?) Add a MAD WWIII on top of this, and suddenly a planet with 7 billion corpses isn’t inconceivable. I dare say all deaths with COVID and with vaccines will only be at most 10% of the total deaths we will see, the rest fully of the same nature as those in the Soviet Union/Russia (1917-23 and the 1990s).

    But however, these are just the result of 100-200 years of modern social and political unraveling. And those conflicts are ones that recur every 300-500 years, that ;have always happened all over the world, only that the current generation has forgotten them in their luxury or comfort. Maybe if late capitalism had kept on its course without the Great Reset, we will have have Malthusian industrialism quite soon without technological breakthrus and will quickly be decimated (just like the Black Death feeding on existing population pressures).

    Why does rightoids only focus on the abrupt and catastrophic, while ignoring the recurring and transformative?

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    They have been infected with historical progressivism, as in, they have forgotten cyclicality. Even the cringe larpers with their muh kali yuga just do it as larp. They expect everything to be quick.

    I personally like this series of writings (and find the whole page in general pretty neat):
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CSCvK3ElVZG/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CSmdgwXA2J3/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CTKVLFlgCda/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Boomthorkell

  32. @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    China, even if it annihilated all corruption, raised and met standards that are literally impossible, and had god-level production quality, would still be universally hated, and as a matter of fact, if their products became so high quality, the west would only hate them more, because that's ultra-insubordination. They're already in a genocidal mood.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Any state and culture will have its admirers and detractors. But in the case of Russia and China, the share of admirers are suppressed and detractors inflated by biased propaganda.

    In a saner world, a China that functions as a significant pole in the Eurasian space will be respected. But so what?

  33. https://www.overcomingbias.com/2021/09/the-insular-fertile-future.html

    This is exactly why the excess obscurantism and cultural reaction in the coalition of anti-Great Reset/antivaxx movement are encouraged by the elites. Levrtraro told us why, and the bigger the insular culture, the better for maintain a demodernized pool of human resources.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yellowface Anon

    Why would elites who are supposedly intent on "Great Reset" and global control want masses of highly insular societies outside their cultural purview?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  34. @A123
    @anyone with a brain

    I will look at this tomorrow in more detail. However, you have a critical failure with your attempt:

    There are four 100% fiction sites that immediately indicate un-truthfulness:

    -- mondowuss (Proven liars)
    -- electronicintafake (Proven liars)
    -- moonofkhamanei (Proven liars)

    -- veteranstoday (Satanic. I do not mean this lightly. Your soul could be permanently damaged by VT. And, you wind up with Mershavir's criminal record for stalking and assault).

    The first three could be simple mistakes of judgement. If you want to be taken seriously, avoid them.

    For God's sake (literally God, not an exaggeration) Lucifer personally chooses what is published at VT. Do not be lured by Satan's fiction. VT is an abomination of Allah, Master Of Lies.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    Love your infectious enthusiasm cheers buddy.

  35. @Yellowface Anon
    I just looked at the headline image of Whitney's newest post. Destroying 7/8ths of the global population sounds incredible, but those who are emboiled in seeing their struggle with the WEF hysterically instead of reasonably will believe that. But in reality, COVID vaccines in themselves will

    The vaccines won't be the real killers. They can only kill a few million (if all 8 billion people became vaccinated) from vaccine side-effects that are visible in a year or two, and then some more foregone babies because of reduced fertility from COVID or the vaccines, and those people who find themselves getting heart conditions. Whoever says otherwise does not understand scale and probability, only looking at the numbers without context, and thinks in a linear cause-and-effect way - it makes for good logic for tit-for-tat quips about official body counts, but seldom works in personal risk assessment. (I'm not saying heart conditions is a sufficient risk for getting some types of vaccines that purports to address a disease on the level of serious flu, nor are mandates truly justified.)

    The real killer is the struggle between the elites and populists, which will show up as civil unrest and the unraveling of economic support, healthcare and infrastructure, as self-imposed and enforced deprivation. After that, we will have either the elites or populists impose a system that don't support as much population as we have under late capitalism (Segregated governance? Dismantling elite-controlled production systems?) Add a MAD WWIII on top of this, and suddenly a planet with 7 billion corpses isn't inconceivable. I dare say all deaths with COVID and with vaccines will only be at most 10% of the total deaths we will see, the rest fully of the same nature as those in the Soviet Union/Russia (1917-23 and the 1990s).

    But however, these are just the result of 100-200 years of modern social and political unraveling. And those conflicts are ones that recur every 300-500 years, that ;have always happened all over the world, only that the current generation has forgotten them in their luxury or comfort. Maybe if late capitalism had kept on its course without the Great Reset, we will have have Malthusian industrialism quite soon without technological breakthrus and will quickly be decimated (just like the Black Death feeding on existing population pressures).

    Why does rightoids only focus on the abrupt and catastrophic, while ignoring the recurring and transformative?

    Replies: @Svevlad

    They have been infected with historical progressivism, as in, they have forgotten cyclicality. Even the cringe larpers with their muh kali yuga just do it as larp. They expect everything to be quick.

    I personally like this series of writings (and find the whole page in general pretty neat):

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad

    At least you realize what I've been saying is as cringy as yours

    , @Boomthorkell
    @Svevlad

    In my defense, I use the Kalī Yūga absolutely seriously. Solar cycles are also real.

    I figure though it's all more a screw. It certainly cycles, but I think it is spiraling upwards to some point.

  36. There is one key difference between China and the “Asian tigers” at the time of 1998 financial crisis: China is much older, than any of them. In terms of age structure of the population China resembles Japan at the beginning of its “lost decade”. Therefore I expect Chinese crisis to be a protracted fizzle, rather than a sharp V-shaped correction. Time is rapidly running out on Chinese economic miracle.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Felix Keverich

    A difficulty for China's economy will be in the middle income trap. This is a manufacturing based economy, whose comparative advantage (aside from low regulation, economies of scale, etc) has been significantly related to labour costs.

    But the aging population will partly be helpful for the authorities, as it increases political stability, and reduces the probability of needing Tiananmen Square massacres; raises the employment rates of the young people.

    This is an aging population that should be less rebellious and easier to control for the authorities, other things equal, and this aging will also reduce the levels of unemployed young people, that might have required a constant increase in manufacturing jobs (that passing through middle income trap will reduce the availability of).

    So from the point of view of the authorities' self-interest, it's not necessarily such a bad situation.

    -

    Authorities in China are also making people up to 80 years to work in manual labour, if their social credit is low.

    In the future, they can just raise the social credit requirement, make the old work until 80, and partly reduce the problem of increasing dependency ratios.

    China's government has an unusually high state capacity for coercing its lower class people to work.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfdIP0pJk0

    , @Philip Owen
    @Felix Keverich

    Yes. Chinese workforce peaked 10 years ago.

  37. @Yellowface Anon

    https://www.overcomingbias.com/2021/09/the-insular-fertile-future.html
     
    This is exactly why the excess obscurantism and cultural reaction in the coalition of anti-Great Reset/antivaxx movement are encouraged by the elites. Levrtraro told us why, and the bigger the insular culture, the better for maintain a demodernized pool of human resources.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Why would elites who are supposedly intent on “Great Reset” and global control want masses of highly insular societies outside their cultural purview?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Anatoly Karlin

    They might not want it, but they will appear and be co-opted.

    Read the instagram posts just posted by Svevlad! That is the real Malthusian Industrialism. It is AaronB's musings being given social form, what is being built before our own eyes and the future everyone should aspire to, instead of unlimited transhumanism or a space empire.

    (Martin Armstrong saw this thru the models but he's too afraid to speak on it extensively, instead focusing on the period of the fall, the 2020 & 30s)

    Replies: @Svevlad

  38. @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    They have been infected with historical progressivism, as in, they have forgotten cyclicality. Even the cringe larpers with their muh kali yuga just do it as larp. They expect everything to be quick.

    I personally like this series of writings (and find the whole page in general pretty neat):
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CSCvK3ElVZG/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CSmdgwXA2J3/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CTKVLFlgCda/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Boomthorkell

    At least you realize what I’ve been saying is as cringy as yours

    • LOL: Svevlad
  39. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yellowface Anon

    Why would elites who are supposedly intent on "Great Reset" and global control want masses of highly insular societies outside their cultural purview?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    They might not want it, but they will appear and be co-opted.

    Read the instagram posts just posted by Svevlad! That is the real Malthusian Industrialism. It is AaronB’s musings being given social form, what is being built before our own eyes and the future everyone should aspire to, instead of unlimited transhumanism or a space empire.

    (Martin Armstrong saw this thru the models but he’s too afraid to speak on it extensively, instead focusing on the period of the fall, the 2020 & 30s)

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    Funnily enough, the scenario described by (not) Anacreon ends up with space colonies and implicitly a space empire/unlimited transhumanism in the long run.

    Why? Because that sort of social model is actually the only one capable of doing so. They will be (re)builders, "build back better" given actual form, not the current liberal idiocy.

    Even more interestingly, he gives it a roughly ~1000 year time period until first Mars colonies, implying that the neo-industrial sustainable economy has been rebuilt by then, similar to the 1000 year time period given as the AoMI by Anatoly.

    Same thing from different perspectives, I say - is the scenario I posted not so different from Anatoly's? The cause differs, but the effects are the same - collapse of central authority into a few "IQ shredder" cities that are initially more well-off but soon get fucked, basically states within states outside of these zones, warlordism, basically Africa but more modern.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  40. This link to the comment on Red China invading the Republic of China is super interesting. A point I always like to bring up on this topic is the role of morale in combat. Like, if you read military history, a constant theme is that the quality and motivation of troops/sailors/airmen is usually more important than fancy weapons systems. If the USA starts fighting China over Taiwan, you’re going to have a a whole bunch of basically useless personnel who’ll loose their sh*t when people start dying.

    Imagine a tranny sailor stomping around in high heels trying to close bulkheads on a damaged destroyer. Take a guess how the prostitutes (i.e. female sailors) integrated directly into units will deal with the knowledge that the USS George Bush has just been sunk by hypersonic missiles. Amidst this shitshow, and the general shitshow that is Contemporary American Life, the reliable, competent sailors might be…casualty averse. I could see mutinies happening after a few days of brutality. Even if one says he favors gay marriage and all the rest, no one is willing to die for a country with those values.

    The ChiComs can decide if they want the glory of a fair and legendary battle for Taiwan, and attack soon, or they can put it off until the US Navy is composed entirely of trannies, prostis and youths. An interesting consequence of this: if the USA did somehow managed to begin reversing its collapse, that would incentivize the ChiComs to invade soon.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Boswald Bollocksworth

    The strategy has always been "peaceful reunification", or playing the longer game and wait for the end of American power projection in West Pacific, so at most China will need to face off with the local troops and Japan if a war still has to happen. But tensions can trigger this, and anything involving significant American intervention is actually premature.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    , @A123
    @Boswald Bollocksworth

    Can the PLA overrun Taiwan. Yes. Logistics are on their side. That being said, the Taiwanese defense would anchor to everything that has significant economic value and fight hard.

    -- What is the reconstruction plan?
    -- What is the assimilation strategy?
    -- What would the CCP do with the shattered remains of the semiconductor firms? There is no chance of capturing them intact.

    It is hard to envision any CCP strategic upside from an invasion. There would be a huge strategic downside. Destroying over half the globe's chip manufacturing capacity will create an array of new enemies.

    China does not have the tools to build the machines that make semiconductors. All of the machine tools come from the U.S. or Europe. China's SMIC would immediately be 100% cutoff from spare parts and new machines as the U.S. and Europe rebuild the industry without CCP involvement.

    No one sane hopes for war. That being said.... MAGA would be the guaranteed winner if the CCP collapses the Far East economy. Over $60 Billion in annual revenue from semiconductor manufacturing goes a long way even if it has to be split 50/50 between America and Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  41. @Boswald Bollocksworth
    This link to the comment on Red China invading the Republic of China is super interesting. A point I always like to bring up on this topic is the role of morale in combat. Like, if you read military history, a constant theme is that the quality and motivation of troops/sailors/airmen is usually more important than fancy weapons systems. If the USA starts fighting China over Taiwan, you're going to have a a whole bunch of basically useless personnel who'll loose their sh*t when people start dying.

    Imagine a tranny sailor stomping around in high heels trying to close bulkheads on a damaged destroyer. Take a guess how the prostitutes (i.e. female sailors) integrated directly into units will deal with the knowledge that the USS George Bush has just been sunk by hypersonic missiles. Amidst this shitshow, and the general shitshow that is Contemporary American Life, the reliable, competent sailors might be...casualty averse. I could see mutinies happening after a few days of brutality. Even if one says he favors gay marriage and all the rest, no one is willing to die for a country with those values.

    The ChiComs can decide if they want the glory of a fair and legendary battle for Taiwan, and attack soon, or they can put it off until the US Navy is composed entirely of trannies, prostis and youths. An interesting consequence of this: if the USA did somehow managed to begin reversing its collapse, that would incentivize the ChiComs to invade soon.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123

    The strategy has always been “peaceful reunification”, or playing the longer game and wait for the end of American power projection in West Pacific, so at most China will need to face off with the local troops and Japan if a war still has to happen. But tensions can trigger this, and anything involving significant American intervention is actually premature.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Yellowface Anon


    The strategy has always been “peaceful reunification”
     
    There will be no “peaceful reunification” nobody wants Xi Jinping's neo Maoism, this brazen ethno nationalist aggression, the other independent states in the region are rallying around the remnants of collapsing American leadership - the Quad, it's the warring states period again with vertical and horizontal alliances to stop the Qin state, we'll most likely fail but we have to try to stop Qin. China is such a letdown such power and such stupidity.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  42. Mennonites didn’t do so well in the Soviet Union, but what I find really interesting is how many fled shortly after the collapse. Seems to imply that they are nothing like as economically independent as many suppose.

    I don’t think the future belongs to the Amish. I think it belongs to people who look at the Amish and try to copy them while incorporating as much technology as possible. Instead of no buttons – wearable technology. Instead of no internet – a Great Firewall and screentime limitations. Instead of barn raisings – hackathons.

    I feel the secret is not to abandon tech, but to development your own indigenous tech, independent, as much as possible, of globohomo’s ability to embargo you. If the Amish had a 20 nm process, made on silicon from Pennsylvania sand, then I’d say, look out!

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @songbird

    Exactly - subvert, not isolate. IF you isolate, you'll end up like the Sentinelese, if you're lucky - or Amazonian uncontacted tribes, if not.

    Pull a jew/gypsy instead and develop a parallel sub-society instead.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  43. Wonder if societal peak in the Old World was people who did not wear socks growing up, and/or went to unheated schools. Like, in Japan, that would be Kurosawa, but I think would be later for Korea.

    In Europe, maybe, there was already notable dysgenics by the time that nearly all kids had shoes.

  44. Not convinced that Rosie isn’t some bot meant to encourage MGTOW.

  45. @songbird
    Mennonites didn't do so well in the Soviet Union, but what I find really interesting is how many fled shortly after the collapse. Seems to imply that they are nothing like as economically independent as many suppose.

    I don't think the future belongs to the Amish. I think it belongs to people who look at the Amish and try to copy them while incorporating as much technology as possible. Instead of no buttons - wearable technology. Instead of no internet - a Great Firewall and screentime limitations. Instead of barn raisings - hackathons.

    I feel the secret is not to abandon tech, but to development your own indigenous tech, independent, as much as possible, of globohomo's ability to embargo you. If the Amish had a 20 nm process, made on silicon from Pennsylvania sand, then I'd say, look out!

    Replies: @Svevlad

    Exactly – subvert, not isolate. IF you isolate, you’ll end up like the Sentinelese, if you’re lucky – or Amazonian uncontacted tribes, if not.

    Pull a jew/gypsy instead and develop a parallel sub-society instead.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad

    Tech development has its own logic, and in fact is the product of a particular mindset that has also led to modern malaise.

    The Japanese also tried to use tech just to enrich the state and strength the military too - look at where they are. The same motive snowballing also occurred in Petrine Russia, at lightning speed.

  46. @Yellowface Anon
    @Anatoly Karlin

    They might not want it, but they will appear and be co-opted.

    Read the instagram posts just posted by Svevlad! That is the real Malthusian Industrialism. It is AaronB's musings being given social form, what is being built before our own eyes and the future everyone should aspire to, instead of unlimited transhumanism or a space empire.

    (Martin Armstrong saw this thru the models but he's too afraid to speak on it extensively, instead focusing on the period of the fall, the 2020 & 30s)

    Replies: @Svevlad

    Funnily enough, the scenario described by (not) Anacreon ends up with space colonies and implicitly a space empire/unlimited transhumanism in the long run.

    Why? Because that sort of social model is actually the only one capable of doing so. They will be (re)builders, “build back better” given actual form, not the current liberal idiocy.

    Even more interestingly, he gives it a roughly ~1000 year time period until first Mars colonies, implying that the neo-industrial sustainable economy has been rebuilt by then, similar to the 1000 year time period given as the AoMI by Anatoly.

    Same thing from different perspectives, I say – is the scenario I posted not so different from Anatoly’s? The cause differs, but the effects are the same – collapse of central authority into a few “IQ shredder” cities that are initially more well-off but soon get fucked, basically states within states outside of these zones, warlordism, basically Africa but more modern.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad


    ends up with space colonies and implicitly a space empire/unlimited transhumanism in the long run.
     
    What does those running the program in the meantime think? They are continuing a tradition. A small cult of tech-priests that surrounds the religion of the founder of their faith, Musk, so some mystic and symbolic goal related to Earth, Moon & Mars can be the driving force at the end the of millennium. Imperium of Man, but not expansive and involving.

    Why? Because that sort of social model is actually the only one capable of doing so. They will be (re)builders, “build back better” given actual form, not the current liberal idiocy.
     
    Can they take off again? Do they want to take off again and experience those troubles centuries ago? What do you mean by "Better"?

    he gives it a roughly ~1000 year time period until first Mars colonies, implying that the neo-industrial sustainable economy has been rebuilt by then,
     
    Industrialism of the late 20th century requires modern, large-scale organization, and that is the only way humans can be flung higher than the stratosphere. What the scenario indicates, most places being mostly the same as the millennia before modernity, but with better tech (a "technological inheritance", means the ethos anywhere have returned to a relatively stable and pre-modern form. And so the most there are, are cottage industries, maybe with 3D printing. Sustainable as they should be.

    collapse of central authority into a few “IQ shredder” cities that are initially more well-off but soon get fucked
     
    I won't doubt this as probably, and possibly accelerated, given the rate of deurbanization in the US.

    basically states within states outside of these zones, warlordism, basically Africa but more modern.
     
    Right, a patchwork of organic states. I guess those WEF predictions for 2030 are just them coping, from the vantage of those "advanced" cities?

    I thought you have abandoned the ideal of infinite progress after reading those posts. But you still see it where it simply won't exist.

    Replies: @Svevlad

  47. @SafeNow
    So, a significant media distraction here in the U.S. from Milley, vaccine mandates, Afghanistan, etc. is the disappearance of the salaciously attired, blond, van-roadtrip young woman. I will not assert that the deep state or the Mossad has orchestrated this distraction, but Biden and Milley are certainly the beneficiaries of it. I am not a suspicious person (wait, I actually am, that’s why I’m here), but it is quite strange that the van-companion, con-style, boyfriend is successfully “remain-in-the-background” (his lawyer’s advice) at his parents’ house, not being promptly questioned by police.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri

    it is quite strange that the van-companion, con-style, boyfriend is successfully “remain-in-the-background” (his lawyer’s advice) at his parents’ house, not being promptly questioned by police.

    Once you appoint a lawyer, the police can no longer question you directly.

    But yeah, obviously he knows more about her fate than he is telling.

  48. @anyone with a brain
    @Dmitry


    Although surprisingly the most important chips, and software, for vaping is designed and made in America.
     
    When I lived in the U.S.A I worked with a dude whose son was involved in founding or something of a vape company, the son was a physics PhD and was looking to go to work at Google where a a friend of his already worked but said that Google was having problems with gender.

    Anyways it brings me to Karlin's and other's point about Wallstreet and silicon Valley being brains drains that stunt the growth and innovation.

    I agree. I will present a simple 3 stage model of modernization. Shit country --> moderately prosperous country --> rat race country.

    A shit hole country is where talented people and untalented people have to flee to survive.
    A moderately prosperous country is one where the talented have financial security and can dedicate their talents to what they want to do.
    A rat race country is a country where the talented have to pursue money because financial stability is precarious and difficult to attain.

    What the eleventh Jinping of China has done is veered the course from moderately prosperous country to socialism. By restricting schooling he reduces the rat race aspect of life, by redistributing wealth and limiting company valuations and monopolies he is creating competition for workers, instead of workers competing for a few spots in big companies.

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
    I want to echo Michael Hudson and point out that there is tons of money dedicated to rent extraction, not creating wealth. The difference is between buying more slaves/plantations and creating the cotton gin.

    Also lmao at India for going straight from shit hole country straight to rat race country.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry, @Almost Missouri

    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?

    Semi. In the mid-twentieth century, Bell Labs’s owner, AT&T, was basically a national monopoly, like the an electricity utility but for telephony. So the research at Bell Labs was paid for by what was effectively a semi-invisible national tax on phone calls. Though Bell was officially an “industrial lab”, they did sponsor some research that was pretty far afield form their core mission, stuff about deep space, the origin of the universe, etc., i.e. the kind of stuff that appeals to the same physics nerds who do radio-frequency research and network utility theory. I think they even employed a Nobel winner or two. Anyhow, calling it “controlled” by the government is IMHO too strong. It was sort of funded by the government through its government-sanctioned defacto monopoly, but the research was directed by AT&T lab executives, not federal bureaucrats. That said, there were probably cases where the DoD or NSA dropped by to “get a little help” with something or other. And there’s no denying that the Federal government was a major customer of AT&T, even if the overwhelming majority of that custom was the prosaic provision of phone service to ordinary telephones. Hey, bureaucrats have to make phone call too.

    In IIRC the 1980s, AT&T’s monopoly began breaking up, and AT&T had to streamline because it could no longer rely on national monopoly rent revenues. Bell Labs eventually stopped doing anything that didn’t have decently foreseeable ROI. Besides that Bell Labs was shrinking both in staff and mission, Silicon Valley became the new exciting place for young nerds to launch their careers. Plus California bay area vs. New Jersey, I mean, c’mon man! Today, Bell Labs is a shadow of its former self. What was left after all the streamlining and downsizing was sold off to French Alcatel who then sold it on to Finnish Nokia.

    • Thanks: anyone with a brain
    • Replies: @anyone with a brain
    @Almost Missouri

    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs? If the Chinese are smart as me they will replicate 10 Bell Labs.

    The U.S model of late seems to be of the function of Bell Labs being done by military contractors, and the myth that the private military lab has contributed to U.S technological advantage. The contractors have taken over America and it is worse off for it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes

  49. @Svevlad
    @songbird

    Exactly - subvert, not isolate. IF you isolate, you'll end up like the Sentinelese, if you're lucky - or Amazonian uncontacted tribes, if not.

    Pull a jew/gypsy instead and develop a parallel sub-society instead.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Tech development has its own logic, and in fact is the product of a particular mindset that has also led to modern malaise.

    The Japanese also tried to use tech just to enrich the state and strength the military too – look at where they are. The same motive snowballing also occurred in Petrine Russia, at lightning speed.

  50. @Boswald Bollocksworth
    This link to the comment on Red China invading the Republic of China is super interesting. A point I always like to bring up on this topic is the role of morale in combat. Like, if you read military history, a constant theme is that the quality and motivation of troops/sailors/airmen is usually more important than fancy weapons systems. If the USA starts fighting China over Taiwan, you're going to have a a whole bunch of basically useless personnel who'll loose their sh*t when people start dying.

    Imagine a tranny sailor stomping around in high heels trying to close bulkheads on a damaged destroyer. Take a guess how the prostitutes (i.e. female sailors) integrated directly into units will deal with the knowledge that the USS George Bush has just been sunk by hypersonic missiles. Amidst this shitshow, and the general shitshow that is Contemporary American Life, the reliable, competent sailors might be...casualty averse. I could see mutinies happening after a few days of brutality. Even if one says he favors gay marriage and all the rest, no one is willing to die for a country with those values.

    The ChiComs can decide if they want the glory of a fair and legendary battle for Taiwan, and attack soon, or they can put it off until the US Navy is composed entirely of trannies, prostis and youths. An interesting consequence of this: if the USA did somehow managed to begin reversing its collapse, that would incentivize the ChiComs to invade soon.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123

    Can the PLA overrun Taiwan. Yes. Logistics are on their side. That being said, the Taiwanese defense would anchor to everything that has significant economic value and fight hard.

    — What is the reconstruction plan?
    — What is the assimilation strategy?
    — What would the CCP do with the shattered remains of the semiconductor firms? There is no chance of capturing them intact.

    It is hard to envision any CCP strategic upside from an invasion. There would be a huge strategic downside. Destroying over half the globe’s chip manufacturing capacity will create an array of new enemies.

    China does not have the tools to build the machines that make semiconductors. All of the machine tools come from the U.S. or Europe. China’s SMIC would immediately be 100% cutoff from spare parts and new machines as the U.S. and Europe rebuild the industry without CCP involvement.

    No one sane hopes for war. That being said…. MAGA would be the guaranteed winner if the CCP collapses the Far East economy. Over \$60 Billion in annual revenue from semiconductor manufacturing goes a long way even if it has to be split 50/50 between America and Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    This is why their actual strategy is "peaceful reunification", and until then intimidations stopping right before the bottom line, to keep Taiwan frightened from drastic acts. For the chips, instead of waiting for the moment to capture state-of-the-art facilities on Taiwan, they are building their own capacity which is just a bit behind the technological edge. After the foundation is there, they can get professionals (still Taiwan trained for now but quickly nativizing) to work on cutting-edge tech.

    American strategists are planning to corner them by giving Tsai hints to make rude gestures, escalating until a calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included), and 90% of the industrial capacity being shipped off to the West except where the strategic threat to the wider West can be effectively contained (e.g. TSMC). Sadly, the successor of Tsai and Old Chiang wouldn't likely to reclaim the whole of Chinese mainland, since that is too large and too formidable a power to be contain once again.

    (That said, neither side will be remotely good in the coming conflicts, because they are not Ming and not Jeffersonian.)

    Replies: @Svevlad, @A123, @A123

  51. @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    Funnily enough, the scenario described by (not) Anacreon ends up with space colonies and implicitly a space empire/unlimited transhumanism in the long run.

    Why? Because that sort of social model is actually the only one capable of doing so. They will be (re)builders, "build back better" given actual form, not the current liberal idiocy.

    Even more interestingly, he gives it a roughly ~1000 year time period until first Mars colonies, implying that the neo-industrial sustainable economy has been rebuilt by then, similar to the 1000 year time period given as the AoMI by Anatoly.

    Same thing from different perspectives, I say - is the scenario I posted not so different from Anatoly's? The cause differs, but the effects are the same - collapse of central authority into a few "IQ shredder" cities that are initially more well-off but soon get fucked, basically states within states outside of these zones, warlordism, basically Africa but more modern.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    ends up with space colonies and implicitly a space empire/unlimited transhumanism in the long run.

    What does those running the program in the meantime think? They are continuing a tradition. A small cult of tech-priests that surrounds the religion of the founder of their faith, Musk, so some mystic and symbolic goal related to Earth, Moon & Mars can be the driving force at the end the of millennium. Imperium of Man, but not expansive and involving.

    Why? Because that sort of social model is actually the only one capable of doing so. They will be (re)builders, “build back better” given actual form, not the current liberal idiocy.

    Can they take off again? Do they want to take off again and experience those troubles centuries ago? What do you mean by “Better”?

    he gives it a roughly ~1000 year time period until first Mars colonies, implying that the neo-industrial sustainable economy has been rebuilt by then,

    Industrialism of the late 20th century requires modern, large-scale organization, and that is the only way humans can be flung higher than the stratosphere. What the scenario indicates, most places being mostly the same as the millennia before modernity, but with better tech (a “technological inheritance”, means the ethos anywhere have returned to a relatively stable and pre-modern form. And so the most there are, are cottage industries, maybe with 3D printing. Sustainable as they should be.

    collapse of central authority into a few “IQ shredder” cities that are initially more well-off but soon get fucked

    I won’t doubt this as probably, and possibly accelerated, given the rate of deurbanization in the US.

    basically states within states outside of these zones, warlordism, basically Africa but more modern.

    Right, a patchwork of organic states. I guess those WEF predictions for 2030 are just them coping, from the vantage of those “advanced” cities?

    I thought you have abandoned the ideal of infinite progress after reading those posts. But you still see it where it simply won’t exist.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    Depends on what you count as progress. To you it's merely technology, to me it's simply the movement of the wheel of history - it moves in a general direction and can turn, and this wheel is the cycle - some on top, some on bottom, and then during the rotation it changes, but it still stays the same.

    Technological progress in order to make out lives easier is, well, mandatory, and if you ask me, quite literally, the only way to avoid it is total extermination. The mindset will change, and our relationship with technology will change, but we're a species of exploiters on a fundamental level.

    And I have a direct benefit from transhumanism - my type 1 diabetes means I would die in Kaczynskystan, so I have to avert this by any means necessary.

    On the other hand, the scenario is woefully unrealistic. Maybe dumbshit westerners end up giving up their nukes - this would fit their general naivete. Nobody east of the Hajnal line would be that suicidal no matter how the world looks like.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  52. @A123
    @Boswald Bollocksworth

    Can the PLA overrun Taiwan. Yes. Logistics are on their side. That being said, the Taiwanese defense would anchor to everything that has significant economic value and fight hard.

    -- What is the reconstruction plan?
    -- What is the assimilation strategy?
    -- What would the CCP do with the shattered remains of the semiconductor firms? There is no chance of capturing them intact.

    It is hard to envision any CCP strategic upside from an invasion. There would be a huge strategic downside. Destroying over half the globe's chip manufacturing capacity will create an array of new enemies.

    China does not have the tools to build the machines that make semiconductors. All of the machine tools come from the U.S. or Europe. China's SMIC would immediately be 100% cutoff from spare parts and new machines as the U.S. and Europe rebuild the industry without CCP involvement.

    No one sane hopes for war. That being said.... MAGA would be the guaranteed winner if the CCP collapses the Far East economy. Over $60 Billion in annual revenue from semiconductor manufacturing goes a long way even if it has to be split 50/50 between America and Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    This is why their actual strategy is “peaceful reunification”, and until then intimidations stopping right before the bottom line, to keep Taiwan frightened from drastic acts. For the chips, instead of waiting for the moment to capture state-of-the-art facilities on Taiwan, they are building their own capacity which is just a bit behind the technological edge. After the foundation is there, they can get professionals (still Taiwan trained for now but quickly nativizing) to work on cutting-edge tech.

    American strategists are planning to corner them by giving Tsai hints to make rude gestures, escalating until a calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included), and 90% of the industrial capacity being shipped off to the West except where the strategic threat to the wider West can be effectively contained (e.g. TSMC). Sadly, the successor of Tsai and Old Chiang wouldn’t likely to reclaim the whole of Chinese mainland, since that is too large and too formidable a power to be contain once again.

    (That said, neither side will be remotely good in the coming conflicts, because they are not Ming and not Jeffersonian.)

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    I'd rather say his ideal China is as a gargantuan WMD testing ground.

    Replies: @A123

    , @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    This is why their actual strategy is “peaceful reunification”,
     
    Peaceful reunification is like the disastrous consequences of Global Cooling / Warning / Change. It has been 10 years away for 50+ years.

    Reunification will not happen in our lifetimes, unless the CCP miscalculates badly and chooses the force option.

    calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.
     
    There is a huge difference between the myths you fabricate in your mind versus what I actually believe. If you keep telling me what I believe. I will keep telling you what you believe.

    We know that "Silver Rounds" are the right course of action in your mind. Have you convinced the Chinese government to adopt your Silver Rounds yet? Your desperate & fanatical desire for a hard currency system might have value considering your leaders' Evergrande problem.

    If you stop telling me what I believe. I will stop telling you what you believe. I suggest that might make conversation both more pleasant and more meaningful. It is your call though.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included),
     
    Why 34? What are you talking about?????

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?

    The number of rulers China obtains from Russia is irrelevant to me. 34 Yeltsins is rather a lot. They should probably import 17 Gorbachevs and conscript fewer Yeltsins. The only thing they cannot have is a Putin. There is only one, and Russia is not giving him up.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    (Humor)

    I just thought of something. We can swap. I will gladly take that Yeltsin off your hands [∆]. He can be U.S. President.

    In return you get brand new, brilliant statesman. Chairman Xiden.

     
    https://i.imgflip.com/4j7cs4.jpg
     

    I guarantee that he will be an inspiring figure, boldly leading your CCP in directions never before considered. We will happily empty our White House for your benefit.
    __________

    [∆] All trades are final. No returns.
    No refunds. No returns.
    You take it, you keep it. No returns.
    No replacements. No returns.

    And, about Returns.... That would be a definite Notgonnahappen.

    (/Humor)

    PEACE 😇

  53. You often hear people talking about the supposed trillion dollar reserves of REMs in Afghanistan. In reality, there is nothing “rare” about Rare Earth Metals. The only constraint is cost of production, and it will always be cheaper in places like China or Kazakhstan where you have cheap electricity and low security costs.

    I’m not an expert, but there’s evidence of tremendous lithium deposits in Afghanistan, and a projected lithium shortage worldwide starting around 2040.

  54. @Dmitry
    China is preparing to try to flood the world with cheaper electric vehicles.

    A transition to (much technologically simpler to design and build) electric vehicles, could provide an opportunity for China to build successful automakers.


    The most popular EV in China is Wuling Hongguang Mini EV.

    Chinese electric cars are kind of tempting - this only costs $4500 (to compare, Nissan Leaf - $30000).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFSJDSh1jmE

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @(((They))) Live

    Its the new F150 lightning and other EV trucks coming on line thats the important EV news IMO, it looks like they will sell well, thats a lot of oil demand that will disappear, google tells me that an F150 can last at least 150K miles at 21MPG, if even a small number of truck buyers switch to electric that a bit hit to OPEC and all oil producers, OPEC make more profit from trucks/SUVs than car companies

    Also I notice that batteries continue to get cheaper despite the rising EV sales, this was not possible according to most “experts”. But I expect it to continue for a while more

  55. @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad


    ends up with space colonies and implicitly a space empire/unlimited transhumanism in the long run.
     
    What does those running the program in the meantime think? They are continuing a tradition. A small cult of tech-priests that surrounds the religion of the founder of their faith, Musk, so some mystic and symbolic goal related to Earth, Moon & Mars can be the driving force at the end the of millennium. Imperium of Man, but not expansive and involving.

    Why? Because that sort of social model is actually the only one capable of doing so. They will be (re)builders, “build back better” given actual form, not the current liberal idiocy.
     
    Can they take off again? Do they want to take off again and experience those troubles centuries ago? What do you mean by "Better"?

    he gives it a roughly ~1000 year time period until first Mars colonies, implying that the neo-industrial sustainable economy has been rebuilt by then,
     
    Industrialism of the late 20th century requires modern, large-scale organization, and that is the only way humans can be flung higher than the stratosphere. What the scenario indicates, most places being mostly the same as the millennia before modernity, but with better tech (a "technological inheritance", means the ethos anywhere have returned to a relatively stable and pre-modern form. And so the most there are, are cottage industries, maybe with 3D printing. Sustainable as they should be.

    collapse of central authority into a few “IQ shredder” cities that are initially more well-off but soon get fucked
     
    I won't doubt this as probably, and possibly accelerated, given the rate of deurbanization in the US.

    basically states within states outside of these zones, warlordism, basically Africa but more modern.
     
    Right, a patchwork of organic states. I guess those WEF predictions for 2030 are just them coping, from the vantage of those "advanced" cities?

    I thought you have abandoned the ideal of infinite progress after reading those posts. But you still see it where it simply won't exist.

    Replies: @Svevlad

    Depends on what you count as progress. To you it’s merely technology, to me it’s simply the movement of the wheel of history – it moves in a general direction and can turn, and this wheel is the cycle – some on top, some on bottom, and then during the rotation it changes, but it still stays the same.

    Technological progress in order to make out lives easier is, well, mandatory, and if you ask me, quite literally, the only way to avoid it is total extermination. The mindset will change, and our relationship with technology will change, but we’re a species of exploiters on a fundamental level.

    And I have a direct benefit from transhumanism – my type 1 diabetes means I would die in Kaczynskystan, so I have to avert this by any means necessary.

    On the other hand, the scenario is woefully unrealistic. Maybe dumbshit westerners end up giving up their nukes – this would fit their general naivete. Nobody east of the Hajnal line would be that suicidal no matter how the world looks like.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Svevlad

    Are you sure the wheel is going upslope forever?


    the only way to avoid it is total extermination. The mindset will change, and our relationship with technology will change, but we’re a species of exploiters on a fundamental level.
     
    Total annihilation is inevitable. The universe will hit its Heat Death.

    Exploitation is just one way to put human's relationship to the environment, and that's quite a bad way to put it.

    And I have a direct benefit from transhumanism – my type 1 diabetes means I would die in Kaczynskystan, so I have to avert this by any means necessary.
     
    You die sooner or later. Do you mean you want to transcend your mortal flesh?
  56. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    This is why their actual strategy is "peaceful reunification", and until then intimidations stopping right before the bottom line, to keep Taiwan frightened from drastic acts. For the chips, instead of waiting for the moment to capture state-of-the-art facilities on Taiwan, they are building their own capacity which is just a bit behind the technological edge. After the foundation is there, they can get professionals (still Taiwan trained for now but quickly nativizing) to work on cutting-edge tech.

    American strategists are planning to corner them by giving Tsai hints to make rude gestures, escalating until a calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included), and 90% of the industrial capacity being shipped off to the West except where the strategic threat to the wider West can be effectively contained (e.g. TSMC). Sadly, the successor of Tsai and Old Chiang wouldn't likely to reclaim the whole of Chinese mainland, since that is too large and too formidable a power to be contain once again.

    (That said, neither side will be remotely good in the coming conflicts, because they are not Ming and not Jeffersonian.)

    Replies: @Svevlad, @A123, @A123

    I’d rather say his ideal China is as a gargantuan WMD testing ground.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Svevlad


    I’d rather say his ideal China is as a gargantuan WMD testing ground.
     
    Two problems with your strawman:

    -1- Why would I want to hurt defenseless civilians?

    -2- The CCP is already running gargantuan WMD tests on its own population. The original WUHAN-19 coronavirus, then Wuhan-β, Wuhan-ε, Wuhan-μ, etc.... No scientist could run any meaningful test on a sample population contaminated by Xi's repeated, epic scale, plague releases.

    PEACE 😇
  57. @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    Depends on what you count as progress. To you it's merely technology, to me it's simply the movement of the wheel of history - it moves in a general direction and can turn, and this wheel is the cycle - some on top, some on bottom, and then during the rotation it changes, but it still stays the same.

    Technological progress in order to make out lives easier is, well, mandatory, and if you ask me, quite literally, the only way to avoid it is total extermination. The mindset will change, and our relationship with technology will change, but we're a species of exploiters on a fundamental level.

    And I have a direct benefit from transhumanism - my type 1 diabetes means I would die in Kaczynskystan, so I have to avert this by any means necessary.

    On the other hand, the scenario is woefully unrealistic. Maybe dumbshit westerners end up giving up their nukes - this would fit their general naivete. Nobody east of the Hajnal line would be that suicidal no matter how the world looks like.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Are you sure the wheel is going upslope forever?

    the only way to avoid it is total extermination. The mindset will change, and our relationship with technology will change, but we’re a species of exploiters on a fundamental level.

    Total annihilation is inevitable. The universe will hit its Heat Death.

    Exploitation is just one way to put human’s relationship to the environment, and that’s quite a bad way to put it.

    And I have a direct benefit from transhumanism – my type 1 diabetes means I would die in Kaczynskystan, so I have to avert this by any means necessary.

    You die sooner or later. Do you mean you want to transcend your mortal flesh?

  58. Modi isn’t interesting as a doer, or transformer, but he is interesting for what the controversy about him reveals about Indian politics and the Indian media.

    I wonder whether the parallels with the West should be considered a caucasoid divide, or whether one would expect a similar phenomenon in East Asia, at least presuming a “free press” and a significant level of diversity.

  59. In brighter news: I have finally re-created my twitter account – the phone number thing is a real bother.

    Those curious can use the website link provided – even if the feed itself is barren.

  60. @Almost Missouri
    @anyone with a brain


    What I have heard of Bell Labs is that it was heavily controlled by the government is that true?
     
    Semi. In the mid-twentieth century, Bell Labs's owner, AT&T, was basically a national monopoly, like the an electricity utility but for telephony. So the research at Bell Labs was paid for by what was effectively a semi-invisible national tax on phone calls. Though Bell was officially an "industrial lab", they did sponsor some research that was pretty far afield form their core mission, stuff about deep space, the origin of the universe, etc., i.e. the kind of stuff that appeals to the same physics nerds who do radio-frequency research and network utility theory. I think they even employed a Nobel winner or two. Anyhow, calling it "controlled" by the government is IMHO too strong. It was sort of funded by the government through its government-sanctioned defacto monopoly, but the research was directed by AT&T lab executives, not federal bureaucrats. That said, there were probably cases where the DoD or NSA dropped by to "get a little help" with something or other. And there's no denying that the Federal government was a major customer of AT&T, even if the overwhelming majority of that custom was the prosaic provision of phone service to ordinary telephones. Hey, bureaucrats have to make phone call too.

    In IIRC the 1980s, AT&T's monopoly began breaking up, and AT&T had to streamline because it could no longer rely on national monopoly rent revenues. Bell Labs eventually stopped doing anything that didn't have decently foreseeable ROI. Besides that Bell Labs was shrinking both in staff and mission, Silicon Valley became the new exciting place for young nerds to launch their careers. Plus California bay area vs. New Jersey, I mean, c'mon man! Today, Bell Labs is a shadow of its former self. What was left after all the streamlining and downsizing was sold off to French Alcatel who then sold it on to Finnish Nokia.

    Replies: @anyone with a brain

    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs? If the Chinese are smart as me they will replicate 10 Bell Labs.

    The U.S model of late seems to be of the function of Bell Labs being done by military contractors, and the myth that the private military lab has contributed to U.S technological advantage. The contractors have taken over America and it is worse off for it.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @anyone with a brain


    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs?
     
    There probably are some, but I don't know what they are. What I learned about it came from more direct sources.

    Keep in mind that a big national lab for each industry was kind of the standard model at the time, post-New Deal, post WWII: Bell Labs for comms, Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena for jet research, Sandia for nuclear, etc. The free market ethos of the 80s and 90s has dispersed that somewhat now. Is that bad or good? I don't know, but it may have been inevitable. Institutions tend to sclerosis and mission-drift over time. China still has the unified and upward momentum that the US had seventy years ago, so that model probably would work well for them. In today's US, it's just another Diversity-Inclusion-Equity grifter magnet.

    Replies: @Pericles

    , @Morton's toes
    @anyone with a brain


    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs?
     
    These are webpages not a book but pretty awesome: http://large.stanford.edu/herring
  61. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    This is why their actual strategy is "peaceful reunification", and until then intimidations stopping right before the bottom line, to keep Taiwan frightened from drastic acts. For the chips, instead of waiting for the moment to capture state-of-the-art facilities on Taiwan, they are building their own capacity which is just a bit behind the technological edge. After the foundation is there, they can get professionals (still Taiwan trained for now but quickly nativizing) to work on cutting-edge tech.

    American strategists are planning to corner them by giving Tsai hints to make rude gestures, escalating until a calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included), and 90% of the industrial capacity being shipped off to the West except where the strategic threat to the wider West can be effectively contained (e.g. TSMC). Sadly, the successor of Tsai and Old Chiang wouldn't likely to reclaim the whole of Chinese mainland, since that is too large and too formidable a power to be contain once again.

    (That said, neither side will be remotely good in the coming conflicts, because they are not Ming and not Jeffersonian.)

    Replies: @Svevlad, @A123, @A123

    This is why their actual strategy is “peaceful reunification”,

    Peaceful reunification is like the disastrous consequences of Global Cooling / Warning / Change. It has been 10 years away for 50+ years.

    Reunification will not happen in our lifetimes, unless the CCP miscalculates badly and chooses the force option.

    calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.

    There is a huge difference between the myths you fabricate in your mind versus what I actually believe. If you keep telling me what I believe. I will keep telling you what you believe.

    We know that “Silver Rounds” are the right course of action in your mind. Have you convinced the Chinese government to adopt your Silver Rounds yet? Your desperate & fanatical desire for a hard currency system might have value considering your leaders’ Evergrande problem.

    If you stop telling me what I believe. I will stop telling you what you believe. I suggest that might make conversation both more pleasant and more meaningful. It is your call though.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included),

    Why 34? What are you talking about?????

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?

    The number of rulers China obtains from Russia is irrelevant to me. 34 Yeltsins is rather a lot. They should probably import 17 Gorbachevs and conscript fewer Yeltsins. The only thing they cannot have is a Putin. There is only one, and Russia is not giving him up.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @A123


    Reunification will not happen in our lifetimes, unless the CCP miscalculates badly and chooses the force option.
     
    That won't be bad, but CCP will be more restless.

    Have you convinced the Chinese government to adopt your Silver Rounds yet?
     
    Go read Alasdair MacLeod, who claims (with good evidence) China and their citizens are accumulating gold.

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?
     
    What do you want to do with a democratic China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?

    The only thing they cannot have is a Putin. There is only one, and Russia is not giving him up.
     
    This is what you want for a future China.

    Replies: @A123

  62. @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    I'd rather say his ideal China is as a gargantuan WMD testing ground.

    Replies: @A123

    I’d rather say his ideal China is as a gargantuan WMD testing ground.

    Two problems with your strawman:

    -1- Why would I want to hurt defenseless civilians?

    -2- The CCP is already running gargantuan WMD tests on its own population. The original WUHAN-19 coronavirus, then Wuhan-β, Wuhan-ε, Wuhan-μ, etc…. No scientist could run any meaningful test on a sample population contaminated by Xi’s repeated, epic scale, plague releases.

    PEACE 😇

  63. Whoops:

    “The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet speaks at a climate event in Madrid in 2019. A recent report of hers warns of the threats that AI can pose to human rights.

    Ricardo Rubio/Europa Press Via Getty Images

    The United Nations’ human rights chief has called on member states to put a moratorium on the sale and use of artificial intelligence systems until the “negative, even catastrophic” risks they pose can be addressed.

    The remarks by U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet were in reference to a new report on the subject released in Geneva.

    The report warned of AI’s use as a forecasting and profiling tool, saying the technology could have an impact on “rights to privacy, to a fair trial, to freedom from arbitrary arrest and detention and the right to life.”

    https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037902314/the-u-n-warns-that-ai-can-pose-a-threat-to-human-rights

    The United Nations is now on the side of “Conspiracy Theorists”? What’s really going on here?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    The UN isn't a monolith, just like how the globalist elites aren't. There are competing interests in them that only group up for common goals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  64. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    This is why their actual strategy is "peaceful reunification", and until then intimidations stopping right before the bottom line, to keep Taiwan frightened from drastic acts. For the chips, instead of waiting for the moment to capture state-of-the-art facilities on Taiwan, they are building their own capacity which is just a bit behind the technological edge. After the foundation is there, they can get professionals (still Taiwan trained for now but quickly nativizing) to work on cutting-edge tech.

    American strategists are planning to corner them by giving Tsai hints to make rude gestures, escalating until a calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included), and 90% of the industrial capacity being shipped off to the West except where the strategic threat to the wider West can be effectively contained (e.g. TSMC). Sadly, the successor of Tsai and Old Chiang wouldn't likely to reclaim the whole of Chinese mainland, since that is too large and too formidable a power to be contain once again.

    (That said, neither side will be remotely good in the coming conflicts, because they are not Ming and not Jeffersonian.)

    Replies: @Svevlad, @A123, @A123

    (Humor)

    I just thought of something. We can swap. I will gladly take that Yeltsin off your hands [∆]. He can be U.S. President.

    In return you get brand new, brilliant statesman. Chairman Xiden.

      

    I guarantee that he will be an inspiring figure, boldly leading your CCP in directions never before considered. We will happily empty our White House for your benefit.
    __________

    [∆] All trades are final. No returns.
    No refunds. No returns.
    You take it, you keep it. No returns.
    No replacements. No returns.

    And, about Returns…. That would be a definite Notgonnahappen.

    (/Humor)

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
  65. @Dmitry
    @anyone with a brain

    The vaping industry is mainly based in Shenzhen China.

    But the most sophisticated and industry leading chipset for vaping are designed and manufactured in Ohio USA (by "Evolv").

    You can buy the boards yourself. But I guess mostly they ship these from Ohio, to Shenzhen, where they are built into the Chinese devices.

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage - 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    The temperature control functions because the ohms of the heating material increases with temperature, so on their Escribe software uses models for the different materials to determine their temperature.

    The software also allows you to import different ohm to temperature models for different materials. This can be helpful for users' safety, as the solvents which e-cigarette liquid is composed by, release carcinogenic compounds above certain temperatures, but not below them. ( you can see the possibilities from the datasheet https://downloads.evolvapor.com/dna60.pdf )

    But it seems like vaping will become another stereotype American tragedy, as the authorities begin to ban this life saving technology, presumably because of the influence of the agricultural industry (tobacco industry), as well as funding from Saint-Simonian view of interference in citizens' lives (Bloomberg), and a kind of moral panic about children using Juuls.

    Replies: @mal

    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage – 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.

    Never bet against Midwest American engineers. A century ago, Soviet industrial power was created by guys from Gary, Indiana (it wasn’t a hood rat shithole back then), and now Chinese vaping prowess comes from Ohio.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @mal

    This long hair Ohio engineer (that invented regulated vaping and temperature control vaping), is probably one of world's most inventive "crazy scientist/Emmett Brown" geniuses.

    Sadly instead of developing time machine, he is spending his life creating chipsets for Chinese e-cigarettes.

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    https://youtu.be/4LPnEOwBAT8?t=715

    Replies: @mal

  66. Last open thread, someone floated the idea that Japanese samurai had different traits than regular Japanese. Traits that made them appear more like Ainu. Don’t know whether it is true, but I did find something funny along those lines:

    After the Great Kanto Earthquake, Japanese were hunting down Koreans. A mob surrounded Akira Kurosawa’s father (he had a beard and samurai blood), thinking no Japanese could have a beard. But he thundered at them in his imperious samurai-voice, and cowed them all, so that they dispersed.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @songbird

    As a boy, Akira was made fun of because of his pale skin (some say a trait of samurai families), even though his mother was from a merchant family.

    His father would often get mad at his mother for serving fish in a way that suggested seppuku. She never could internalize the right way to serve fish to a samurai.

  67. @Felix Keverich
    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1438810881517924357

    There is one key difference between China and the "Asian tigers" at the time of 1998 financial crisis: China is much older, than any of them. In terms of age structure of the population China resembles Japan at the beginning of its "lost decade". Therefore I expect Chinese crisis to be a protracted fizzle, rather than a sharp V-shaped correction. Time is rapidly running out on Chinese economic miracle.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    A difficulty for China’s economy will be in the middle income trap. This is a manufacturing based economy, whose comparative advantage (aside from low regulation, economies of scale, etc) has been significantly related to labour costs.

    But the aging population will partly be helpful for the authorities, as it increases political stability, and reduces the probability of needing Tiananmen Square massacres; raises the employment rates of the young people.

    This is an aging population that should be less rebellious and easier to control for the authorities, other things equal, and this aging will also reduce the levels of unemployed young people, that might have required a constant increase in manufacturing jobs (that passing through middle income trap will reduce the availability of).

    So from the point of view of the authorities’ self-interest, it’s not necessarily such a bad situation.

    Authorities in China are also making people up to 80 years to work in manual labour, if their social credit is low.

    In the future, they can just raise the social credit requirement, make the old work until 80, and partly reduce the problem of increasing dependency ratios.

    China’s government has an unusually high state capacity for coercing its lower class people to work.

  68. @mal
    @Dmitry


    So Ohio engineers introduced the first regulated (variable wattage – 2010) and temperature control (2014) chips.
     
    Never bet against Midwest American engineers. A century ago, Soviet industrial power was created by guys from Gary, Indiana (it wasn't a hood rat shithole back then), and now Chinese vaping prowess comes from Ohio.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    This long hair Ohio engineer (that invented regulated vaping and temperature control vaping), is probably one of world’s most inventive “crazy scientist/Emmett Brown” geniuses.

    Sadly instead of developing time machine, he is spending his life creating chipsets for Chinese e-cigarettes.

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    • Replies: @mal
    @Dmitry


    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00
     
    Lol you would love my office then. Same mess of paperwork, but I work with chemicals , so I sometimes stick resins to shelves in my office so I can watch them flow down, makes cool stalactites. Strictly speaking, it's not allowed, but nobody wants to blow up a chemical plant because chemical engineer didn't understand rheology of the process so watching polymers drooping is something I get to do for fun.

    I'm obsessed about cleanliness on the production floor though. Factory floor is a different story.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  69. Did mushroom poisonings spike up in RF lately?

  70. @anyone with a brain
    @Almost Missouri

    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs? If the Chinese are smart as me they will replicate 10 Bell Labs.

    The U.S model of late seems to be of the function of Bell Labs being done by military contractors, and the myth that the private military lab has contributed to U.S technological advantage. The contractors have taken over America and it is worse off for it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes

    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs?

    There probably are some, but I don’t know what they are. What I learned about it came from more direct sources.

    Keep in mind that a big national lab for each industry was kind of the standard model at the time, post-New Deal, post WWII: Bell Labs for comms, Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena for jet research, Sandia for nuclear, etc. The free market ethos of the 80s and 90s has dispersed that somewhat now. Is that bad or good? I don’t know, but it may have been inevitable. Institutions tend to sclerosis and mission-drift over time. China still has the unified and upward momentum that the US had seventy years ago, so that model probably would work well for them. In today’s US, it’s just another Diversity-Inclusion-Equity grifter magnet.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @Almost Missouri

    Bell Labs were part of the privatized phone company and evaporated. But there are examples of privately funded basic research. IBM got a Nobel Prize for discovering the W and Z particles in the 1980s, and I would say that today orgs like Google Research and Microsoft Research are world class.

    Apart from Google Research, Google also horked up billions to run that ridiculous 'moonshot' boondoggle Google X; likewise, as heard from an acquaintance, one can spend a nice career in writing papers without any real applications at MSR. Which I suppose is basic research.

  71. @Dmitry
    @mal

    This long hair Ohio engineer (that invented regulated vaping and temperature control vaping), is probably one of world's most inventive "crazy scientist/Emmett Brown" geniuses.

    Sadly instead of developing time machine, he is spending his life creating chipsets for Chinese e-cigarettes.

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    https://youtu.be/4LPnEOwBAT8?t=715

    Replies: @mal

    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00

    Lol you would love my office then. Same mess of paperwork, but I work with chemicals , so I sometimes stick resins to shelves in my office so I can watch them flow down, makes cool stalactites. Strictly speaking, it’s not allowed, but nobody wants to blow up a chemical plant because chemical engineer didn’t understand rheology of the process so watching polymers drooping is something I get to do for fun.

    I’m obsessed about cleanliness on the production floor though. Factory floor is a different story.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @mal

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    -

    Sadly, I've seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it's a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqObyjfmd8Q

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world's best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2IOOhJmxw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @mal

  72. @Vitas
    This is the new Russian National Anthem:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=989-7xsRLR4

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @A123, @AP

    This was better:

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, mal
  73. @Anatoly Karlin
    This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes - within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    Commenting rules. Please note that anonymous comments are not allowed.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    This is worth looking into:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/belarus-drifting-back-russia-193891

    Excerpt –

    Decades-long Russian attempts to reduce the use of the Belarusian language and promote Russian instead have been crucial to breaking down the barriers between their national identities. In 1939, for example, over eighty percent of Belarusians spoke Belarusian at home. By 1989 that had fallen to sixty-five and today, roughly seventy percent of Belarusians speak Russian at home.

    Note that the original text hyperlinks to a long winded Viacorka screed on the aforementioned 80% claim in 1939.

    Here’s that piece which is Belarusian svido:

    https://www.academia.edu/39745160/How_Russian_soft_power_manipulate_Belarusian_identity

    Couldn’t find anything in it supporting the 1939 claim. Why didn’t the National Interest author provide a more direct reference?

    Said paper disingenuously says that the Greek Catholic faith once dominated Belarus without noting that the Orthodox Church had done so prior – only to be suppressed in a way that propped the Greek Catholic denomination.

    He cites a poll saying that Belarusians identify more with the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) than the USSR. Nothing about comparing Belarusian attitudes on the Russian Empire and PLC. YThe Rusian Empire is negatively depicted unlike the PLC.

    Quite suspect. Overall, Belarusians come across as being more pro-Russian than pro-Polish, or pro-Lithuanian.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Mikhail

    The article in the link seems to be propaganda material. The claim might come from some BSSR materials during the period in which they were promoting Belarusian identity in the 1920s and 1930s, before the purges and change of orientation.

    From what I hear pro-Russian sentiment is growing among part of the population, partly because of the change in the orientation of the state media, Luka may be modifying the content of the official 'state based national identity'. But another smaller part of the population is becoming more alienated (as a result of the elections and what happened after that) so is more pro-Poland than it would have been in 2019, this includes Belarusians who are from the Orthodox, Eastern part who are traditionally closer to Russia.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  74. @Yellowface Anon
    @Boswald Bollocksworth

    The strategy has always been "peaceful reunification", or playing the longer game and wait for the end of American power projection in West Pacific, so at most China will need to face off with the local troops and Japan if a war still has to happen. But tensions can trigger this, and anything involving significant American intervention is actually premature.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    The strategy has always been “peaceful reunification”

    There will be no “peaceful reunification” nobody wants Xi Jinping’s neo Maoism, this brazen ethno nationalist aggression, the other independent states in the region are rallying around the remnants of collapsing American leadership – the Quad, it’s the warring states period again with vertical and horizontal alliances to stop the Qin state, we’ll most likely fail but we have to try to stop Qin. China is such a letdown such power and such stupidity.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    So what do you anticipate when your QUAD and other coalitions fail?

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

  75. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon


    This is why their actual strategy is “peaceful reunification”,
     
    Peaceful reunification is like the disastrous consequences of Global Cooling / Warning / Change. It has been 10 years away for 50+ years.

    Reunification will not happen in our lifetimes, unless the CCP miscalculates badly and chooses the force option.

    calculated time for your neocon-in-Trumpist-clothing masters to strike hard. That will be the right course of action in your mind.
     
    There is a huge difference between the myths you fabricate in your mind versus what I actually believe. If you keep telling me what I believe. I will keep telling you what you believe.

    We know that "Silver Rounds" are the right course of action in your mind. Have you convinced the Chinese government to adopt your Silver Rounds yet? Your desperate & fanatical desire for a hard currency system might have value considering your leaders' Evergrande problem.

    If you stop telling me what I believe. I will stop telling you what you believe. I suggest that might make conversation both more pleasant and more meaningful. It is your call though.

    Your ideal China is one ruled by 34 Yeltsins (the successor of Tsai included),
     
    Why 34? What are you talking about?????

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?

    The number of rulers China obtains from Russia is irrelevant to me. 34 Yeltsins is rather a lot. They should probably import 17 Gorbachevs and conscript fewer Yeltsins. The only thing they cannot have is a Putin. There is only one, and Russia is not giving him up.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Reunification will not happen in our lifetimes, unless the CCP miscalculates badly and chooses the force option.

    That won’t be bad, but CCP will be more restless.

    Have you convinced the Chinese government to adopt your Silver Rounds yet?

    Go read Alasdair MacLeod, who claims (with good evidence) China and their citizens are accumulating gold.

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?

    What do you want to do with a democratic China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?

    The only thing they cannot have is a Putin. There is only one, and Russia is not giving him up.

    This is what you want for a future China.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Yellowface Anon



    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?
     
    What do you want to do with... China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?
     
    I want trade with U.S. Citizens to be beneficial to U.S. Citizen workers.

    We need MAGA wins to get rid of SJW Globalist Elites here. After that happens there will need to be several decades of MAGA Reindustrialization to build back the U.S. Citizen worker economy that has been intentionally & systematically undermined for an extended period of time.

    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations. They are both devotees of anti-worker World Economic Forum [WEF] Rule organized from Davos. I am not against WIN-WIN trade with the people of China. However, it is unlikely to be a viable option as long as China continues to be controlled by predatory CCP/WEF Elites.

    democratic China
     
    Democracy may be over rated. Are you sure you want to go that direction?

    Currently China is not a credible democracy. Balloting is not democracy. We had balloting here in the U.S. and the loser is now in the White House. As it stands now, is our system better than yours? Doubtful.

    Chinese workers should be encouraging moves away from easily corrupted government forms, like democracy.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected, @Yellowface Anon

  76. @Mr. Hack
    Whoops:

    "The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet speaks at a climate event in Madrid in 2019. A recent report of hers warns of the threats that AI can pose to human rights.

    Ricardo Rubio/Europa Press Via Getty Images

    The United Nations' human rights chief has called on member states to put a moratorium on the sale and use of artificial intelligence systems until the "negative, even catastrophic" risks they pose can be addressed.

    The remarks by U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Michelle Bachelet were in reference to a new report on the subject released in Geneva.

    The report warned of AI's use as a forecasting and profiling tool, saying the technology could have an impact on "rights to privacy, to a fair trial, to freedom from arbitrary arrest and detention and the right to life."

    https://www.npr.org/2021/09/16/1037902314/the-u-n-warns-that-ai-can-pose-a-threat-to-human-rights

    The United Nations is now on the side of "Conspiracy Theorists"? What's really going on here?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    The UN isn’t a monolith, just like how the globalist elites aren’t. There are competing interests in them that only group up for common goals.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    So what wing of the UN do you think that Michelle Bachelet represents in her very vocal, yet uphill battle against AI?

  77. Who has seen the new Dune movie? I have mixed impressions

  78. • Replies: @sudden death
    @melanf

    Not a single fly amanita seen in there, very untrendy ;)

  79. @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Yellowface Anon


    The strategy has always been “peaceful reunification”
     
    There will be no “peaceful reunification” nobody wants Xi Jinping's neo Maoism, this brazen ethno nationalist aggression, the other independent states in the region are rallying around the remnants of collapsing American leadership - the Quad, it's the warring states period again with vertical and horizontal alliances to stop the Qin state, we'll most likely fail but we have to try to stop Qin. China is such a letdown such power and such stupidity.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    So what do you anticipate when your QUAD and other coalitions fail?

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @Yellowface Anon

    Kowtow to the Dragon when all else fails.


  80. What isn’t addressed in AK & Kroeber’s view, is SE Asia in 1997 has recourse to world trade and global finance (however predatory it is). This time, rivals will pile tactics of economic warfare on China to starve them.

  81. @songbird
    As far as I am concerned, the cuckoldry decline in Sweden means very little. Birth control, easy divorce, women working, and men working shorter hours likely all have their influences.

    But in broad terms, Swedes are cucking more than ever now because they are supporting many more of the kids of other fathers, even if they are not begat on their own wives.

    Sweden should create some reservation for cucks. In time, it woud be completely taken over by non-Euroepans, and then it would be possible to remediate and reclaim for the children and grandchildren of noncucked Swedes.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Yevardian

    But in broad terms, Swedes are cucking more than ever now because they are supporting many more of the kids of other fathers, even if they are not begat on their own wives.

    Sweden Yes, but it’s literally the same in any country with a ‘welfare state’, up to and including the U.S.A., the Home of Freedom on Earth, Play Taps. The beta males are cucked to work and by the sweat of their brows pay their beta bucks rewards to raise other people’s children (who usually complain that they aren’t paying enough). In the modern version, they also get to pay for the children of third world migrants.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Pericles

    I agree.

    I continue to think that Wyndham's "The Midwich Cuckoos" (basis for movie Village of the Damned) was one of the most brilliant stories ever told because it addresses the problem of cucking better than any other story of which I know. The "children" aren't inferior, they are superior.

    Forget whether it is only in the 1960 movie or not, but they appear in different places. The Eskimos kill them nearly straight away. And the Soviets hit them with the atom, before the British even consider making their move.

    I've often thought that indexes of global corruption didn't make sense. That the West has higher levels of institutional corruption - that its "take" is larger. I guess another way of looking at it is that it just has state-mandated cucking. Should be a global cucking index.

  82. @Almost Missouri
    @anyone with a brain


    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs?
     
    There probably are some, but I don't know what they are. What I learned about it came from more direct sources.

    Keep in mind that a big national lab for each industry was kind of the standard model at the time, post-New Deal, post WWII: Bell Labs for comms, Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena for jet research, Sandia for nuclear, etc. The free market ethos of the 80s and 90s has dispersed that somewhat now. Is that bad or good? I don't know, but it may have been inevitable. Institutions tend to sclerosis and mission-drift over time. China still has the unified and upward momentum that the US had seventy years ago, so that model probably would work well for them. In today's US, it's just another Diversity-Inclusion-Equity grifter magnet.

    Replies: @Pericles

    Bell Labs were part of the privatized phone company and evaporated. But there are examples of privately funded basic research. IBM got a Nobel Prize for discovering the W and Z particles in the 1980s, and I would say that today orgs like Google Research and Microsoft Research are world class.

    Apart from Google Research, Google also horked up billions to run that ridiculous ‘moonshot’ boondoggle Google X; likewise, as heard from an acquaintance, one can spend a nice career in writing papers without any real applications at MSR. Which I suppose is basic research.

  83. The last bit of Scott Alexander’s Modi book review is hilarious!

    I’m not a far-right demagogue and I don’t want to be a head of government. But I did manage to piss off the New York Times last year, and they wrote a retaliatory hit piece against me. It accused me of being racist, sexist, elitist, all kinds of negative things. There was nothing about it that even hinted I was an acceptable person in any way. Here’s what happened to my email subscriber numbers after the piece was published:

    It took me eight years of blogging to get those first 20,000 readers. The NYT hit piece gave me another 11,000 in a day. Many of them stuck around; some bought subscriptions. At meetups, many fans tell me the hit piece first brought them to the blog. I didn’t intend this, and I don’t consider it fair compensation for the level of reputational damage they did me.

    But if I ever want to become Prime Minister of India, I know what strategy I’m going to use.

  84. @Max Payne
    @Dmitry


    I assume Arabs buying property in Israel don’t understand how much they will be taxed as foreign property owners there.
     
    They don't care. They aren't going to be living there anyway. They bought them just to tell the people they know "See? I have an apartment in Tel Aviv" as they post a couple of selfies.

    The empty vanity of Gulf Arabs is the highest form of retardation the universe has ever or will ever witness. If we are living in a simulation it's going to be the infinite universe-breaking retardation of Gulf Arabs that will cause a system-halt and a hard reset.

    At least Tel Aviv is going to enjoy a good time.

    Replies: @Not Raul

    On the other hand, they found a way to get lots of Muslims in to buildings filled with elite Israelis.

    I would imagine that people would complain, and find a pretext to keep a lot of Arabs from buying luxury condos. Rich Israelis didn’t spend millions on condos to spend time around Arabs.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Not Raul

    A lot of luxury housing in Israel is owned by foreigners (nonresidents). (The only person I knew whose parents has property in Israel is from a family where none is even eligible for Israeli citizenship; they must have just a lot of money to move around.)

    These areas can become a bit like "ghost streets", as nonresidents owners are only visiting occasionally. Wealthy religious American Jews, also had a fashion to buy luxury houses in Jerusalem, which they only visit for once a year. As a result, Israel has started to plant a large property tax on nonresident property owners.

    I'm hypothesizing this tax is why you see in these areas of Israel, a lot of wealthy, unemployed looking secular American young people, especially secular looking young American women. Probably many of the American property owners are sending the children to attain citizenship in Israel, and invest in the condos there, sit in the investment property for enough time each year to avoid the taxes the parents would otherwise have to pay.

    Gulf Arabs investing in Israel, will be probably trying to substitute for buying property in Lebanon. That is, they will use it for a coastal tourist vacation home, where they can sit on the Mediterranean.

    Places like Tel Aviv in Israel, are already quite liberal feeling, with a multiracial nontraditional atmosphere, and around 10 years away from becoming hipster tourist destination (except for some Moscow hipsters). Israel is just not developed enough currently, not sufficiently bourgeois, most people in Israel are too lower class, and Tel Aviv is lacking public transport. But if Israel's economy develops, then by around 2030, these places might become perfect for hipsters, and could be flooded with hipsters from everywhere. If it can develop more, then wealthy Arab hipsters would probably go there for tourism. Similarly there could be opportunities for Israel to attract investment from groups like wealthy LGBT Arab hipsters, etc, as the culture is significantly more liberal.

    Replies: @A123

  85. @Mikhail
    @Anatoly Karlin

    This is worth looking into:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/belarus-drifting-back-russia-193891

    Excerpt -


    Decades-long Russian attempts to reduce the use of the Belarusian language and promote Russian instead have been crucial to breaking down the barriers between their national identities. In 1939, for example, over eighty percent of Belarusians spoke Belarusian at home. By 1989 that had fallen to sixty-five and today, roughly seventy percent of Belarusians speak Russian at home.
     
    Note that the original text hyperlinks to a long winded Viacorka screed on the aforementioned 80% claim in 1939.

    Here's that piece which is Belarusian svido:

    https://www.academia.edu/39745160/How_Russian_soft_power_manipulate_Belarusian_identity

    Couldn't find anything in it supporting the 1939 claim. Why didn't the National Interest author provide a more direct reference?

    Said paper disingenuously says that the Greek Catholic faith once dominated Belarus without noting that the Orthodox Church had done so prior - only to be suppressed in a way that propped the Greek Catholic denomination.

    He cites a poll saying that Belarusians identify more with the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC) than the USSR. Nothing about comparing Belarusian attitudes on the Russian Empire and PLC. YThe Rusian Empire is negatively depicted unlike the PLC.

    Quite suspect. Overall, Belarusians come across as being more pro-Russian than pro-Polish, or pro-Lithuanian.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The article in the link seems to be propaganda material. The claim might come from some BSSR materials during the period in which they were promoting Belarusian identity in the 1920s and 1930s, before the purges and change of orientation.

    From what I hear pro-Russian sentiment is growing among part of the population, partly because of the change in the orientation of the state media, Luka may be modifying the content of the official ‘state based national identity’. But another smaller part of the population is becoming more alienated (as a result of the elections and what happened after that) so is more pro-Poland than it would have been in 2019, this includes Belarusians who are from the Orthodox, Eastern part who are traditionally closer to Russia.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Coconuts


    From what I hear pro-Russian sentiment is growing among part of the population, partly because of the change in the orientation of the state media, Luka may be modifying the content of the official ‘state based national identity’. But another smaller part of the population is becoming more alienated (as a result of the elections and what happened after that) so is more pro-Poland than it would have been in 2019, this includes Belarusians who are from the Orthodox, Eastern part who are traditionally closer to Russia.
     
    By default, being anti-Lukashenko doesn't mean anti-Russian. The Belarusian opposition group involving Viacorka isn't helping itself with the pro-Russian grouping and comes across as being an anti-Russian foreign propped front.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  86. @melanf
    https://a.radikal.ru/a12/2109/e0/923fe353d953.jpg

    Replies: @sudden death

    Not a single fly amanita seen in there, very untrendy 😉

  87. @songbird
    Last open thread, someone floated the idea that Japanese samurai had different traits than regular Japanese. Traits that made them appear more like Ainu. Don't know whether it is true, but I did find something funny along those lines:

    After the Great Kanto Earthquake, Japanese were hunting down Koreans. A mob surrounded Akira Kurosawa's father (he had a beard and samurai blood), thinking no Japanese could have a beard. But he thundered at them in his imperious samurai-voice, and cowed them all, so that they dispersed.

    Replies: @songbird

    As a boy, Akira was made fun of because of his pale skin (some say a trait of samurai families), even though his mother was from a merchant family.

    His father would often get mad at his mother for serving fish in a way that suggested seppuku. She never could internalize the right way to serve fish to a samurai.

  88. @Pericles
    @songbird


    But in broad terms, Swedes are cucking more than ever now because they are supporting many more of the kids of other fathers, even if they are not begat on their own wives.

     

    Sweden Yes, but it's literally the same in any country with a 'welfare state', up to and including the U.S.A., the Home of Freedom on Earth, Play Taps. The beta males are cucked to work and by the sweat of their brows pay their beta bucks rewards to raise other people's children (who usually complain that they aren't paying enough). In the modern version, they also get to pay for the children of third world migrants.

    Replies: @songbird

    I agree.

    I continue to think that Wyndham’s “The Midwich Cuckoos” (basis for movie Village of the Damned) was one of the most brilliant stories ever told because it addresses the problem of cucking better than any other story of which I know. The “children” aren’t inferior, they are superior.

    Forget whether it is only in the 1960 movie or not, but they appear in different places. The Eskimos kill them nearly straight away. And the Soviets hit them with the atom, before the British even consider making their move.

    I’ve often thought that indexes of global corruption didn’t make sense. That the West has higher levels of institutional corruption – that its “take” is larger. I guess another way of looking at it is that it just has state-mandated cucking. Should be a global cucking index.

  89. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123


    Reunification will not happen in our lifetimes, unless the CCP miscalculates badly and chooses the force option.
     
    That won't be bad, but CCP will be more restless.

    Have you convinced the Chinese government to adopt your Silver Rounds yet?
     
    Go read Alasdair MacLeod, who claims (with good evidence) China and their citizens are accumulating gold.

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?
     
    What do you want to do with a democratic China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?

    The only thing they cannot have is a Putin. There is only one, and Russia is not giving him up.
     
    This is what you want for a future China.

    Replies: @A123

    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?

    What do you want to do with… China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?

    I want trade with U.S. Citizens to be beneficial to U.S. Citizen workers.

    We need MAGA wins to get rid of SJW Globalist Elites here. After that happens there will need to be several decades of MAGA Reindustrialization to build back the U.S. Citizen worker economy that has been intentionally & systematically undermined for an extended period of time.

    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations. They are both devotees of anti-worker World Economic Forum [WEF] Rule organized from Davos. I am not against WIN-WIN trade with the people of China. However, it is unlikely to be a viable option as long as China continues to be controlled by predatory CCP/WEF Elites.

    democratic China

    Democracy may be over rated. Are you sure you want to go that direction?

    Currently China is not a credible democracy. Balloting is not democracy. We had balloting here in the U.S. and the loser is now in the White House. As it stands now, is our system better than yours? Doubtful.

    Chinese workers should be encouraging moves away from easily corrupted government forms, like democracy.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected
    @A123


    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations.
     
    I have personally come to the conclusions that the Mega Corps are not inherently SJW, instead they toe the line of the political regime they reside in. Google and Apple have banned Navalny from the App store because the Russian state was not happy.

    Replies: @A123

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    I support local, then regional, then international trade, in that order of preference. But no point to block any trade because they happen to be under the wrong political system, otherwise you should stop doing business with GOP voters in Dem states because the Dems will tax them.

    What's the best system for China you'll say?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123

  90. Unbridled anti-worker malice of the SJW/DNC guarantees a massive numbers of GOP victories. Thus, the real struggle is within each GOP race. If MAGA continues to win, salvation is possible. If RINO/GOP(e) prevents MAGA victories, the U.S is over.

    Mike Pence, participant in The Blue Coup of 2020, is seeking money to run against MAGA in 2024: (1)

    Former Vice President Mike Pence hopes to raise \$18 million in 2021 for a possible White House run, according to an Axios report.

    Pence’s political advocacy group, Advancing American Freedom, has already spent \$60,000 on digital advertising on behalf of Pence’s potential run. Donors at a recent retreat in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, were asked to donate a portion of the targeted sum.

    Three scenarios are in circulation.

    — #1 — It is most likely he is being introduced as an early & intentional casualty in the GOP Primary. His treason is despised by Republican primary voters. Thus, one has to assume it is a false front. Perhaps, an effort at deception based on allowing stronger GOP(e) contenders to denounce him? However, if it obvious that his run is doomed before it starts, little will be gained when he takes a dive.

    — #2 — SJW Elites are just cashing Pence out to keep him silent. There will not be a run and this money will be converted to his personal use via the VP Pence Library Foundation or some other mechanism.

    — #3 — Least likely, but most entertaining — Pence will:
        • Change parties at the last second
        • Enter the DNC primaries, and
        • Receive Biden’s endorsement, for faithful 2020 service

    This would be Pence’s best chance of becoming President. And, it does have limited credibility. It could be used to clear the the DNC’s Harris conundrum. Imagine what the closed door Biden Harris meeting would be like, “He switched parties in return for some End-horsey thing. I am sorry Tammy, er… Kammy. What’s your name again? I had to do the p…. you know, that thing that… Would you feel better if I sniffed you?” [Secret Service intervenes]

    Sadly, rumors like this are far too often wishful thinking. Now that the dollar figure is out there, GOP rallies will likely include burning Pence effigies. Pence has to know he is not wanted in the Republican Party anymore. If he obtains the money and CANNOT run as fake Republican …. He might try the DNC route. Definitely the least likely scenario.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.ibtimes.com/mike-pence-2024-republican-aims-raise-18-million-possible-presidential-run-3297586

  91. @Svevlad
    @Yellowface Anon

    They have been infected with historical progressivism, as in, they have forgotten cyclicality. Even the cringe larpers with their muh kali yuga just do it as larp. They expect everything to be quick.

    I personally like this series of writings (and find the whole page in general pretty neat):
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CSCvK3ElVZG/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CSmdgwXA2J3/
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CTKVLFlgCda/

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Boomthorkell

    In my defense, I use the Kalī Yūga absolutely seriously. Solar cycles are also real.

    I figure though it’s all more a screw. It certainly cycles, but I think it is spiraling upwards to some point.

  92. This is a little off the curren topics, but Karlin, do you have any advice on where to look in Russian agriculture for future investments?

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Boomthorkell


    This is a little off the curren topics, but Karlin, do you have any advice on where to look in Russian agriculture for future investments?
     
    This is a great question.

    I know that Russia is making very good cheese. I’ve had Tilsit/Sovetsk a few times, and it was great.

    There are probably profits to be made with goods and services that mitigate problems farmers, and especially foreign farmers (like South Africans and Americans), face.

    https://farmingportal.co.za/index.php/all-agri-news/editorials/5438-how-to-open-a-farm-in-russia-if-you-re-a-foreigner

  93. One of the overrated establishment talking heads on Russia related and some other matters, chimes in at the below link asking why France hasn’t recalled its ambassador in Russia, relative to what the former did with the US and Australia?

    Russia didn’t renege on a deal with France unlike the US and Australia. BTW, France had earlier reneged on a Mistral naval shipment deal with Russia – something not noted in the mass media coverage on the just developed spat involving Paris, Washington and Canberra.

    • Agree: Not Raul
  94. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    The UN isn't a monolith, just like how the globalist elites aren't. There are competing interests in them that only group up for common goals.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    So what wing of the UN do you think that Michelle Bachelet represents in her very vocal, yet uphill battle against AI?

  95. @Yellowface Anon
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    So what do you anticipate when your QUAD and other coalitions fail?

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    Kowtow to the Dragon when all else fails.

  96. @Coconuts
    @Mikhail

    The article in the link seems to be propaganda material. The claim might come from some BSSR materials during the period in which they were promoting Belarusian identity in the 1920s and 1930s, before the purges and change of orientation.

    From what I hear pro-Russian sentiment is growing among part of the population, partly because of the change in the orientation of the state media, Luka may be modifying the content of the official 'state based national identity'. But another smaller part of the population is becoming more alienated (as a result of the elections and what happened after that) so is more pro-Poland than it would have been in 2019, this includes Belarusians who are from the Orthodox, Eastern part who are traditionally closer to Russia.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    From what I hear pro-Russian sentiment is growing among part of the population, partly because of the change in the orientation of the state media, Luka may be modifying the content of the official ‘state based national identity’. But another smaller part of the population is becoming more alienated (as a result of the elections and what happened after that) so is more pro-Poland than it would have been in 2019, this includes Belarusians who are from the Orthodox, Eastern part who are traditionally closer to Russia.

    By default, being anti-Lukashenko doesn’t mean anti-Russian. The Belarusian opposition group involving Viacorka isn’t helping itself with the pro-Russian grouping and comes across as being an anti-Russian foreign propped front.

    • Agree: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Mikhail


    The Belarusian opposition group involving Viacorka isn’t helping itself with the pro-Russian grouping and comes across as being an anti-Russian foreign propped front.
     
    I think this is what some of them kind of are, but this would be the minority of hardline Belarusian nationalists. The kind of thing I was thinking of is when people who aren't anti-Russian in any real sense, start using various opposition lines of argument of the kind that Viacorka promotes, sharing Polish or Western media etc. because these things are anti-Lukashenko. From what I can see the whole thing seems centred around Luka himself and domestic political issues. I thought initially that Russia would try to exert pressure to get Lukashenko to retire for this reason, because so much of the opposition is directed against him personally, as opposed to any specific policy line or orientation.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  97. @anyone with a brain
    @Almost Missouri

    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs? If the Chinese are smart as me they will replicate 10 Bell Labs.

    The U.S model of late seems to be of the function of Bell Labs being done by military contractors, and the myth that the private military lab has contributed to U.S technological advantage. The contractors have taken over America and it is worse off for it.

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Morton's toes

    Do you know of any good books about Bell Labs?

    These are webpages not a book but pretty awesome: http://large.stanford.edu/herring

  98. Attitudes towards vaccines in Ukraine:

    The whole country is rather anti-vaxx, but there are regional differences (and some outliers).

    Western and central Ukraine are less anti-vaxx, eastern and southern Ukraine are more anti-vaxx.

    44% of people in Lviv will not take the vaccine if it’s offered, versus 68% of people in Mariupol (Kiev-controlled Donetsk oblast) and 59% of people in Kharkiv.

    Kiev is a major outlier – it is nearly as anti-vaxx as Kharkiv and much more anti-vax than people from its surrounding provinces.

    Ukrainians trust the Western vaccines more than they do Sputnik, and the Chinese vaccine least of all. This is true in every place in Ukraine, although in the East the two vaccines are trusted nearly equally.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Any idea about the percentage of younger people and say those under 18 fare in regards to being vaccinated? Has the Delta variant hit younger people/children harder in Ukraine than in the older population?

    Replies: @AP

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.

    Replies: @A123, @Not Raul, @Mr. Hack

  99. @Not Raul
    @Max Payne

    On the other hand, they found a way to get lots of Muslims in to buildings filled with elite Israelis.

    I would imagine that people would complain, and find a pretext to keep a lot of Arabs from buying luxury condos. Rich Israelis didn’t spend millions on condos to spend time around Arabs.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    A lot of luxury housing in Israel is owned by foreigners (nonresidents). (The only person I knew whose parents has property in Israel is from a family where none is even eligible for Israeli citizenship; they must have just a lot of money to move around.)

    These areas can become a bit like “ghost streets”, as nonresidents owners are only visiting occasionally. Wealthy religious American Jews, also had a fashion to buy luxury houses in Jerusalem, which they only visit for once a year. As a result, Israel has started to plant a large property tax on nonresident property owners.

    I’m hypothesizing this tax is why you see in these areas of Israel, a lot of wealthy, unemployed looking secular American young people, especially secular looking young American women. Probably many of the American property owners are sending the children to attain citizenship in Israel, and invest in the condos there, sit in the investment property for enough time each year to avoid the taxes the parents would otherwise have to pay.

    Gulf Arabs investing in Israel, will be probably trying to substitute for buying property in Lebanon. That is, they will use it for a coastal tourist vacation home, where they can sit on the Mediterranean.

    Places like Tel Aviv in Israel, are already quite liberal feeling, with a multiracial nontraditional atmosphere, and around 10 years away from becoming hipster tourist destination (except for some Moscow hipsters). Israel is just not developed enough currently, not sufficiently bourgeois, most people in Israel are too lower class, and Tel Aviv is lacking public transport. But if Israel’s economy develops, then by around 2030, these places might become perfect for hipsters, and could be flooded with hipsters from everywhere. If it can develop more, then wealthy Arab hipsters would probably go there for tourism. Similarly there could be opportunities for Israel to attract investment from groups like wealthy LGBT Arab hipsters, etc, as the culture is significantly more liberal.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry

    Is there a more detailed breakdown of the various categories to tax rates?

    I have heard multiple & contradictory explanations. With no Hebrew language skills, I can not read the relevant documents. The explanation I have heard most is that that foreign owned:
        • *Rental* property has a massive tax
        • Vacation/Investment property is much lower

    This makes intuitive sense. Foreign controlled rentals could be manipulated in a number of ways. Given the Orthodox rules, subtle & indirect choices could be made to create Orthodox free buildings.

    Extremely high end Vacation/Investment properties consume limited services and are not relevant to the housing choices of employed Israelis. Giving these Luxury properties a mildly above average rate generates significant revenue without negative owner opinion. $50K extra taxes on a $10MM investment property is not provocative.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

  100. @AP
    Attitudes towards vaccines in Ukraine:

    https://i.imgur.com/aIRqRnt.png

    The whole country is rather anti-vaxx, but there are regional differences (and some outliers).

    Western and central Ukraine are less anti-vaxx, eastern and southern Ukraine are more anti-vaxx.

    44% of people in Lviv will not take the vaccine if it's offered, versus 68% of people in Mariupol (Kiev-controlled Donetsk oblast) and 59% of people in Kharkiv.

    Kiev is a major outlier - it is nearly as anti-vaxx as Kharkiv and much more anti-vax than people from its surrounding provinces.

    Ukrainians trust the Western vaccines more than they do Sputnik, and the Chinese vaccine least of all. This is true in every place in Ukraine, although in the East the two vaccines are trusted nearly equally.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Any idea about the percentage of younger people and say those under 18 fare in regards to being vaccinated? Has the Delta variant hit younger people/children harder in Ukraine than in the older population?

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Younger people slightly more anti-vaxx. Probably because they are in less danger.

    Lviv and Sumy were the most vaccinated places in the country, but only 7%. Kharkiv only 2% vaccinated. This was in June.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  101. @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Any idea about the percentage of younger people and say those under 18 fare in regards to being vaccinated? Has the Delta variant hit younger people/children harder in Ukraine than in the older population?

    Replies: @AP

    Younger people slightly more anti-vaxx. Probably because they are in less danger.

    Lviv and Sumy were the most vaccinated places in the country, but only 7%. Kharkiv only 2% vaccinated. This was in June.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @AP

    Why would you want to vaccinate those below 12 or 18 right away when they have negligible risk of dying from COVID? It's just extending the racket.

    Replies: @AP

  102. @mal
    @Dmitry


    I want to work in environment which allows you to be that eccentric and disorganized. His crazy disorganized desk at 13:00
     
    Lol you would love my office then. Same mess of paperwork, but I work with chemicals , so I sometimes stick resins to shelves in my office so I can watch them flow down, makes cool stalactites. Strictly speaking, it's not allowed, but nobody wants to blow up a chemical plant because chemical engineer didn't understand rheology of the process so watching polymers drooping is something I get to do for fun.

    I'm obsessed about cleanliness on the production floor though. Factory floor is a different story.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    Sadly, I’ve seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it’s a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world’s best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    "I haven't listened to them [the cartridges] yet."

    It occurred to me that this audiophile's interests in high performance equipment may have impeded his ability to actually listen to music? Nah, just a cynical thought on my part...unless of course he's able to hear music in his mind like Beethoven did towards the end of his life? :-)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @AP
    @Dmitry

    At university in the USA my roommate, an engineering student, built enormous ten foot speakers. Once he connected them to a television and VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume, subjecting half the campus to…the cheesy dialogue and occasional moans. Today he would be expelled for triggering someone but in the beginning of the 90s there were no repercussions.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @mal
    @Dmitry

    Lol, no.

    In the Midwest, it's mostly about rifles and deer heads (hunting season is in October), so you get a lot of that going on. Personally, I don't hunt but I would love to learn how to properly skin a deer and asked to be educated on such matters, but no luck so far from my Midwest friends.

    Deep South US is also all about guns, hunting, and woodworking. Deep South engineers make very good furniture. But heat is harsh in the South, so I don't even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Dmitry

  103. @Boomthorkell
    This is a little off the curren topics, but Karlin, do you have any advice on where to look in Russian agriculture for future investments?

    Replies: @Not Raul

    This is a little off the curren topics, but Karlin, do you have any advice on where to look in Russian agriculture for future investments?

    This is a great question.

    I know that Russia is making very good cheese. I’ve had Tilsit/Sovetsk a few times, and it was great.

    There are probably profits to be made with goods and services that mitigate problems farmers, and especially foreign farmers (like South Africans and Americans), face.

    https://farmingportal.co.za/index.php/all-agri-news/editorials/5438-how-to-open-a-farm-in-russia-if-you-re-a-foreigner

  104. @Dmitry
    @mal

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    -

    Sadly, I've seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it's a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqObyjfmd8Q

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world's best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2IOOhJmxw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @mal

    “I haven’t listened to them [the cartridges] yet.”

    It occurred to me that this audiophile’s interests in high performance equipment may have impeded his ability to actually listen to music? Nah, just a cynical thought on my part…unless of course he’s able to hear music in his mind like Beethoven did towards the end of his life? 🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    Speaker building is a wonderful hobby (or even very well paid profession), so it's not a bad achievement even if he doesn't listen on his hifi all day. He should be an icon for his love of this hobby.

    Sadly, he has now a deadly neurological disease before he was 80, and much of his vinyl albums look like they are still with never opened plastic packaging.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3T4hkPrSIY

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  105. @Dmitry
    @Not Raul

    A lot of luxury housing in Israel is owned by foreigners (nonresidents). (The only person I knew whose parents has property in Israel is from a family where none is even eligible for Israeli citizenship; they must have just a lot of money to move around.)

    These areas can become a bit like "ghost streets", as nonresidents owners are only visiting occasionally. Wealthy religious American Jews, also had a fashion to buy luxury houses in Jerusalem, which they only visit for once a year. As a result, Israel has started to plant a large property tax on nonresident property owners.

    I'm hypothesizing this tax is why you see in these areas of Israel, a lot of wealthy, unemployed looking secular American young people, especially secular looking young American women. Probably many of the American property owners are sending the children to attain citizenship in Israel, and invest in the condos there, sit in the investment property for enough time each year to avoid the taxes the parents would otherwise have to pay.

    Gulf Arabs investing in Israel, will be probably trying to substitute for buying property in Lebanon. That is, they will use it for a coastal tourist vacation home, where they can sit on the Mediterranean.

    Places like Tel Aviv in Israel, are already quite liberal feeling, with a multiracial nontraditional atmosphere, and around 10 years away from becoming hipster tourist destination (except for some Moscow hipsters). Israel is just not developed enough currently, not sufficiently bourgeois, most people in Israel are too lower class, and Tel Aviv is lacking public transport. But if Israel's economy develops, then by around 2030, these places might become perfect for hipsters, and could be flooded with hipsters from everywhere. If it can develop more, then wealthy Arab hipsters would probably go there for tourism. Similarly there could be opportunities for Israel to attract investment from groups like wealthy LGBT Arab hipsters, etc, as the culture is significantly more liberal.

    Replies: @A123

    Is there a more detailed breakdown of the various categories to tax rates?

    I have heard multiple & contradictory explanations. With no Hebrew language skills, I can not read the relevant documents. The explanation I have heard most is that that foreign owned:
        • *Rental* property has a massive tax
        • Vacation/Investment property is much lower

    This makes intuitive sense. Foreign controlled rentals could be manipulated in a number of ways. Given the Orthodox rules, subtle & indirect choices could be made to create Orthodox free buildings.

    Extremely high end Vacation/Investment properties consume limited services and are not relevant to the housing choices of employed Israelis. Giving these Luxury properties a mildly above average rate generates significant revenue without negative owner opinion. \$50K extra taxes on a \$10MM investment property is not provocative.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @A123

    The alleged problem for Israel has been that Americans (and maybe some other nationalities) were doing apartment flipping in Israel, and this has supposedly raised the price of the properties for the Israelis so they are unaffordable for middle class people.

    The tax Israel introduced against foreigners (by the finance minister Moshe Kahlon) is 10% against the purchase of the apartment, but 25% against the sale of the property.

    However, there is a loophole that if you stay 183 days in Israel in the last year, then you avoid this tax.

    So Americans with eligibility for repatriation (this requires usually 1 Jewish grandparent, or marriage to someone who has) or some other residency permits, can send their children to apply for Israeli citizenship, and sit in Israel for 183 days before the sale of the apartment, while they flip the apartments in their names.

    Then they can flip apartments without paying the taxes. Although it limits their flipping, as the children will probably not be able to continue sitting lazily for 183 days in Israel every year they planned to flip a luxury apartment.

    -

    Question whether this is a good or bad tax seems complicated. Apartment flipping by nonresidents seems like it is exploiting the economy (the profits going to nonresidents, while the high prices still have to be paid by locals).

    On the other hand, there might be an argument, that the property investment by foreigners increases the overall supply of the luxury properties.

    My intuition is going to the second argument (that you should allow foreigners to flip the apartments) as the foreign investment is increasing the overall housing supply - but I'm not an economist.

    -

    Another of many "architecture problems" for Israel, could be that Russian billionaires are building some of the worst kitsch. The owner of Domodedovo (Moscow airport) has constructed this Donald Trump/Tony Montana mansion in Caesarea. Maybe a wealthy Emirati or Bahraini will buy this now, although I assume their taste of the younger wealthy Arab generation would not go to that.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cl78Knsvp0

    Replies: @A123

  106. @Dmitry
    @mal

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    -

    Sadly, I've seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it's a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqObyjfmd8Q

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world's best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2IOOhJmxw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @mal

    At university in the USA my roommate, an engineering student, built enormous ten foot speakers. Once he connected them to a television and VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume, subjecting half the campus to…the cheesy dialogue and occasional moans. Today he would be expelled for triggering someone but in the beginning of the 90s there were no repercussions.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume subjecting half the campus ... beginning of the 90s
     
    Really a golden age.
  107. @AP
    Attitudes towards vaccines in Ukraine:

    https://i.imgur.com/aIRqRnt.png

    The whole country is rather anti-vaxx, but there are regional differences (and some outliers).

    Western and central Ukraine are less anti-vaxx, eastern and southern Ukraine are more anti-vaxx.

    44% of people in Lviv will not take the vaccine if it's offered, versus 68% of people in Mariupol (Kiev-controlled Donetsk oblast) and 59% of people in Kharkiv.

    Kiev is a major outlier - it is nearly as anti-vaxx as Kharkiv and much more anti-vax than people from its surrounding provinces.

    Ukrainians trust the Western vaccines more than they do Sputnik, and the Chinese vaccine least of all. This is true in every place in Ukraine, although in the East the two vaccines are trusted nearly equally.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The fact that Russian & Ukrainian men like their Balls is "stupid"?

    I think most men would chose science, fertility, and keeping their Balls. I support the diversity of Nicki Minaj.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/blackfemalevoices.jpg

    Replies: @Not Raul

    , @Not Raul
    @Anatoly Karlin


    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.
     
    I couldn’t have put it better myself.
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The remedy for even the syndrome of conjoined twins is to separate the two as early as possible. I think that this process was completed for both the Ukrainians and Russians sometime at the end of the 12th century. Cruel as it may seem, various attempts at reestablishing "unification" for these two disparate siblings has always ended up in failure. The larger one just can't seem to live without the smaller one. It's a shame.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Chang-eng-bunker-PD.png

    "One nation" or "one body" isn't always ideal.

  108. @Yellowface Anon
    @angmoh

    The success of war propaganda lies on the vilification of your enemies after their actual threats have been neutralized. What used to be anti-Soviet has become anti-Putin and anti-Russia. Fear of ideology becomes fear of ethnic culture. I can foresee the same with the CCP/Chinese, so even if there was a neo-Nationalist regime in China (totally unlikely), China will remain the West's biggest enemy. They are now seen not as commies, but subhumans that want to dominate the world. Only by becoming a patchwork of territories falling fully under the Western sphere of influence (Qing between after 1900), without sovereignty or self-determination, will the Chinese welcomed back to the fold of the West.

    Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected

    The success of war propaganda lies on the vilification of your enemies after their actual threats have been neutralized. What used to be anti-Soviet has become anti-Putin and anti-Russia. Fear of ideology becomes fear of ethnic culture. I can foresee the same with the CCP/Chinese, so even if there was a neo-Nationalist regime in China (totally unlikely), China will remain the West’s biggest enemy. They are now seen not as commies, but subhumans that want to dominate the world.

    This is why the Russians and the Chinese must understand that the West cannot be reasoned with, and a change of government will not do them any good. The West wants to subjugate them and rob them. This is how the Western nations kept going for the last 200 years, it is time they return back to caves.

    • Agree: sher singh, Sinotibetan
  109. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon



    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?
     
    What do you want to do with... China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?
     
    I want trade with U.S. Citizens to be beneficial to U.S. Citizen workers.

    We need MAGA wins to get rid of SJW Globalist Elites here. After that happens there will need to be several decades of MAGA Reindustrialization to build back the U.S. Citizen worker economy that has been intentionally & systematically undermined for an extended period of time.

    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations. They are both devotees of anti-worker World Economic Forum [WEF] Rule organized from Davos. I am not against WIN-WIN trade with the people of China. However, it is unlikely to be a viable option as long as China continues to be controlled by predatory CCP/WEF Elites.

    democratic China
     
    Democracy may be over rated. Are you sure you want to go that direction?

    Currently China is not a credible democracy. Balloting is not democracy. We had balloting here in the U.S. and the loser is now in the White House. As it stands now, is our system better than yours? Doubtful.

    Chinese workers should be encouraging moves away from easily corrupted government forms, like democracy.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected, @Yellowface Anon

    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations.

    I have personally come to the conclusions that the Mega Corps are not inherently SJW, instead they toe the line of the political regime they reside in. Google and Apple have banned Navalny from the App store because the Russian state was not happy.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Insomniac Resurrected


    the Mega Corps are not inherently SJW, instead they toe the line of the political regime they reside in. Google and Apple have banned Navalny from the App store because the Russian state was not happy.

     

    I would recommend stepping back and looking at the bigger picture.

    SJW MegaCorporations hate SJW failures. Google and Apple have banned Navalny because he could not deliver. Remember that SJW Globalism abhors concepts like "Individualism", "Citizenship", and "Human Compassion". Leftoid Elite leadership does not believe in any of those things.

    Meat puppet Navalny became a liability to SJW Authoritarianism. Game Over.

    Why would they expend resources protecting Navalny instead of using them to accelerate MIC2 [Medical Industrial Complex] (a.k.a. BigPharma)? Supporting a devout, revenue generating, acolyte like Fauci is the preferred choice. The ROI is obvious.

    PEACE 😇

  110. @angmoh
    @Vishnugupta

    It's easy to laugh at Australia's idiotic antagonism of its largest trading partner, and we should. But these things happening repeatedly is another example of Chinese diplomatic failure.

    Most modern first world populations default preference is mercantilism in the absence of anti-China propaganda. No doubt Anti-Chinese sentiment would have risen on the back of that propaganda no matter what China did, but international opinion of China is in the toilet across the board. A bit more tact on the Chinese side could have prevented much of it.

    Perhaps the CPC doesn't care and thinks the tradeoffs (?) are worth it here. But it's hard to see what the benefits would be.

    It's been said that 'wolf warrior' diplomacy is not a carefully considered strategic decision, but instead a means for CPC machine men to enhance their status internally at the expense of China's broader interests. I'd buy this argument more if there was less coordinated action from China against their diplomatic adversaries ('economic coercion' etc) - so there is obviously a view within the party that the current approach serves China's interests.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Yevardian

    I feel the Chinese leadership has simply given up on winning over any world opinion, given how overwhelmingly strangehold Angloids hold over global media, even if they’re stagnating or falling behind in almost every real metric.

    So, if they’ll invariably be seen as villains, they might as well reap the shortcuts coming of that. It is impressive how China has even turned the Philipines against it, though.

  111. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.

    Replies: @A123, @Not Raul, @Mr. Hack

    The fact that Russian & Ukrainian men like their Balls is “stupid”?

    I think most men would chose science, fertility, and keeping their Balls. I support the diversity of Nicki Minaj.

    PEACE 😇

     

    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @A123

    I know what I want to put in HER body.

    Replies: @A123

  112. @songbird
    As far as I am concerned, the cuckoldry decline in Sweden means very little. Birth control, easy divorce, women working, and men working shorter hours likely all have their influences.

    But in broad terms, Swedes are cucking more than ever now because they are supporting many more of the kids of other fathers, even if they are not begat on their own wives.

    Sweden should create some reservation for cucks. In time, it woud be completely taken over by non-Euroepans, and then it would be possible to remediate and reclaim for the children and grandchildren of noncucked Swedes.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Yevardian

    Does it the graph only count married couples though? More relevantly (we’re discussing Sweden here), does it count cuckoldry between ‘consenting adults’?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yevardian

    Think it is all babies, but just babies. No measure of open relationships. But Greg Cochran seems to call the whole thing into question. Says 3% was outside historic norms for Europe.

  113. @Akarlin

    * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi – A Political Biography

    Have you started reading this, or are planning to in the near future? Looks interesting, I’ll see if I can find it on libgen, reading about that black hole of a country is always instructive. Unfortunately I can’t find more than a whisper of quote about the author’s background.
    Does “Malla” ever comment here? He seems pretty knowledgable about India-related stuff.

    I think most men would chose science, fertility, and keeping their Balls. I support the diversity of Nicki Minaj.

    Do you ever do anything here except defend Israel and post extremely poor quality sub-/pol/-tier memes?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    I'm satisfied with Scott Alexander's review.

    The one India book I'm planning to read is Joshi's India’s Long Road (which Thulean Friend recommended to me) to get a better grasp on its economy.

    Also eventually some history, though Nemets summarized Keay's very well:



    https://twitter.com/Peter_Nimitz/status/1158082568836636672

    Replies: @sher singh

    , @angmoh
    @Yevardian

    Fairly weird review since he spends much of it casting doubt on the author's telling of events. With such unreliable source material how much insight can you really glean.

    The Erdogan book review was quite good.

  114. @Dmitry
    @Yellowface Anon

    Lithium batteries are a little dangerous by their inherent nature.

    Some of the best quality lithium batteries are manufactured in China e.g. the VTC6 Sony/Murata 18650 cells.

    At the same time, the number of legitimate Sony/Murata VTC6 cells, are counterbalanced by all the fake/counterfeit VTC6 cells produced in China.

    The legitimate cells manufactured in China can be excellent; but there is a vast number of fake cells, being produced by people trying to profit from the good reputation of the legitimate manufacturer.

    In China there is also massive fake production of batteries from other countries, like the Taiwanese Molicel batteries.

    So it sounds to us like a typical Chinese problem of low social trust, weak regulation and "cowboy capitalism". If you add political corruption to the situation - then there is the stereotypical recipe that created things like melamine milk, coronavirus, Tianjin explosion, Peking smog, etc.

    But I assume that these large automobile manufacturers like Wuling, have good oversight on the battery manufacturer. And there are companies like BYD that manufacture their own batteries, and which seem to be working well to power buses around the world.

    Tesla seems to be happy with the Chinese battery supplier CATL, and hundreds of thousands of Teslas now have these Chinese manufactured battery cells. ​https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinese-ev-battery-maker-catl-extends-deal-with-tesla-2021-06-28/

    So perhaps, and hopefully, consumers won't have exploding car batteries.

    A flood of small cheap, Chinese EVs, would be an excellent improvement for consumers around the world - to provide a cheaper option than exists currently. Outside of ultra high income countries like the USA or Norway, Tesla is only something for the bourgeoisie. Even a Nissan Leaf is too expensive for most people outside of the most wealthy countries. Geely is more in the realistic range that people in middle income countries should spend on a car.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    One of my technology transfer projects was to arrange for lithium cell monitoring technology developed by the European Space Agency to be transferred into the Bordnetz consortium, the standard setters for 42V (ie hybrid and electrical) systems for cars.

    A stack of cells is as good as the weakest cell. ESA was able to monitor each cell and switch off the stack in a rather neat and elegant way. This is an absolute requirement in a space craft. It’s quite good in an aircraft too. Airbus and Bombardier took it on. Boeing’s corporate antibodies threw it out. Boeing then had cockpit fires. European designed EVs and hybrids have an evolution of this system in place. The Japanese rely on phenomenal quality control on their lithium cells. In my day, Sony were unreal in their consistency compared to anyone else (making monitoring system obsolete). This was the source of the Boeing problem. The original design engineers specified Sony. Then value engineers turned up. Chinese were cheap. All Rev 2+ versions of complex engineering systems have been reviewed by value engineers. In HP it happened 6 months after initial product release and was usually in the product by 18 months out.

    I have no idea about Tesla batteries. I am sure all manufacturers are now at the level of Sony in 2005. However, I would still prefer a Bordnetz hybrid/EV over any other, except perhaps one using Japanese batteries from the fire safety perspective. I think Ford joined Bordnetz. I don’t recall about GM.

    Russia is absolutely nowhere with any of this and seems to be betting as much on hydrogen as electric for native technical solutions to automotive tranportation. It has a great base in trolleybuses and trams and is building electric buses but not with local batteries or control technology, if any. There is a serious base of Russian supercapacitor work.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen


    Tesla batteries

     

    Tesla is now going to develop a new sized 4680 battery. The largest batteries I have is only 21700, and they already kind of large.

    By the way, Tesla seemed very badly constrained by the chip shortage at the moment. I know people who tried to order one, and they were said something like "you have to wait until next before you can consider it will be delivered to you".

    Russia is absolutely nowhere with any of this and seems
     
    It will be a good market for the new Chinese EVs, like BYD and Geely.

    So Lukashenko's China romance, might have some rewards. Geely is supposedly going to assemble "Geometry A" EV in the Belarus factory. These would be assembled by Geely in Belarus, for sale in the Russian market. So Belarus should be benefiting economically, as it will allow Geely to avoid import taxes into Russia. (That is, if people will actually accept to buy these Geely cars).

  115. @Felix Keverich
    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1438810881517924357

    There is one key difference between China and the "Asian tigers" at the time of 1998 financial crisis: China is much older, than any of them. In terms of age structure of the population China resembles Japan at the beginning of its "lost decade". Therefore I expect Chinese crisis to be a protracted fizzle, rather than a sharp V-shaped correction. Time is rapidly running out on Chinese economic miracle.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Philip Owen

    Yes. Chinese workforce peaked 10 years ago.

  116. @Mikhail
    @Coconuts


    From what I hear pro-Russian sentiment is growing among part of the population, partly because of the change in the orientation of the state media, Luka may be modifying the content of the official ‘state based national identity’. But another smaller part of the population is becoming more alienated (as a result of the elections and what happened after that) so is more pro-Poland than it would have been in 2019, this includes Belarusians who are from the Orthodox, Eastern part who are traditionally closer to Russia.
     
    By default, being anti-Lukashenko doesn't mean anti-Russian. The Belarusian opposition group involving Viacorka isn't helping itself with the pro-Russian grouping and comes across as being an anti-Russian foreign propped front.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    The Belarusian opposition group involving Viacorka isn’t helping itself with the pro-Russian grouping and comes across as being an anti-Russian foreign propped front.

    I think this is what some of them kind of are, but this would be the minority of hardline Belarusian nationalists. The kind of thing I was thinking of is when people who aren’t anti-Russian in any real sense, start using various opposition lines of argument of the kind that Viacorka promotes, sharing Polish or Western media etc. because these things are anti-Lukashenko. From what I can see the whole thing seems centred around Luka himself and domestic political issues. I thought initially that Russia would try to exert pressure to get Lukashenko to retire for this reason, because so much of the opposition is directed against him personally, as opposed to any specific policy line or orientation.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Coconuts


    I think this is what some of them kind of are, but this would be the minority of hardline Belarusian nationalists. The kind of thing I was thinking of is when people who aren’t anti-Russian in any real sense, start using various opposition lines of argument of the kind that Viacorka promotes, sharing Polish or Western media etc. because these things are anti-Lukashenko. From what I can see the whole thing seems centred around Luka himself and domestic political issues. I thought initially that Russia would try to exert pressure to get Lukashenko to retire for this reason, because so much of the opposition is directed against him personally, as opposed to any specific policy line or orientation.
     
    Russia doesn't get credit from staying a distance from Belarus, as opposed to the neocon regime change route.


    When Luka was bashing Russia, the Russian government didn't intervene against him.
  117. @Insomniac Resurrected
    @A123


    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations.
     
    I have personally come to the conclusions that the Mega Corps are not inherently SJW, instead they toe the line of the political regime they reside in. Google and Apple have banned Navalny from the App store because the Russian state was not happy.

    Replies: @A123

    the Mega Corps are not inherently SJW, instead they toe the line of the political regime they reside in. Google and Apple have banned Navalny from the App store because the Russian state was not happy.

    I would recommend stepping back and looking at the bigger picture.

    SJW MegaCorporations hate SJW failures. Google and Apple have banned Navalny because he could not deliver. Remember that SJW Globalism abhors concepts like “Individualism”, “Citizenship”, and “Human Compassion”. Leftoid Elite leadership does not believe in any of those things.

    Meat puppet Navalny became a liability to SJW Authoritarianism. Game Over.

    Why would they expend resources protecting Navalny instead of using them to accelerate MIC2 [Medical Industrial Complex] (a.k.a. BigPharma)? Supporting a devout, revenue generating, acolyte like Fauci is the preferred choice. The ROI is obvious.

    PEACE 😇

  118. @A123
    @Dmitry

    Is there a more detailed breakdown of the various categories to tax rates?

    I have heard multiple & contradictory explanations. With no Hebrew language skills, I can not read the relevant documents. The explanation I have heard most is that that foreign owned:
        • *Rental* property has a massive tax
        • Vacation/Investment property is much lower

    This makes intuitive sense. Foreign controlled rentals could be manipulated in a number of ways. Given the Orthodox rules, subtle & indirect choices could be made to create Orthodox free buildings.

    Extremely high end Vacation/Investment properties consume limited services and are not relevant to the housing choices of employed Israelis. Giving these Luxury properties a mildly above average rate generates significant revenue without negative owner opinion. $50K extra taxes on a $10MM investment property is not provocative.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Dmitry

    The alleged problem for Israel has been that Americans (and maybe some other nationalities) were doing apartment flipping in Israel, and this has supposedly raised the price of the properties for the Israelis so they are unaffordable for middle class people.

    The tax Israel introduced against foreigners (by the finance minister Moshe Kahlon) is 10% against the purchase of the apartment, but 25% against the sale of the property.

    However, there is a loophole that if you stay 183 days in Israel in the last year, then you avoid this tax.

    So Americans with eligibility for repatriation (this requires usually 1 Jewish grandparent, or marriage to someone who has) or some other residency permits, can send their children to apply for Israeli citizenship, and sit in Israel for 183 days before the sale of the apartment, while they flip the apartments in their names.

    Then they can flip apartments without paying the taxes. Although it limits their flipping, as the children will probably not be able to continue sitting lazily for 183 days in Israel every year they planned to flip a luxury apartment.

    Question whether this is a good or bad tax seems complicated. Apartment flipping by nonresidents seems like it is exploiting the economy (the profits going to nonresidents, while the high prices still have to be paid by locals).

    On the other hand, there might be an argument, that the property investment by foreigners increases the overall supply of the luxury properties.

    My intuition is going to the second argument (that you should allow foreigners to flip the apartments) as the foreign investment is increasing the overall housing supply – but I’m not an economist.

    Another of many “architecture problems” for Israel, could be that Russian billionaires are building some of the worst kitsch. The owner of Domodedovo (Moscow airport) has constructed this Donald Trump/Tony Montana mansion in Caesarea. Maybe a wealthy Emirati or Bahraini will buy this now, although I assume their taste of the younger wealthy Arab generation would not go to that.

    • Thanks: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @Dmitry


    Americans (and maybe some other nationalities) were doing apartment flipping in Israel, and this has supposedly raised the price of the properties for the Israelis so they are unaffordable for middle class people.

    The tax Israel introduced against foreigners (by the finance minister Moshe Kahlon) is 10% against the purchase of the apartment, but 25% against the sale of the property.
     

    This is aligns to information from other sources. The tax is targeted specifically at properties in the "middle class". Your clarification is well aligned to flipping.

    I have heard that there is also substantial taxation on entities (individual or corporate) that acquire multiple "middle class" properties and then rent them. Given the amount of concern that BlackRock has created building up a "rental empire" in the U.S., it could be inaccurate bleed over between related topics.

    I keep hearing it, but I can never track it back to an authoritative source.

    Thanks for the addition detail.

    PEACE 😇

  119. @Dmitry
    @A123

    The alleged problem for Israel has been that Americans (and maybe some other nationalities) were doing apartment flipping in Israel, and this has supposedly raised the price of the properties for the Israelis so they are unaffordable for middle class people.

    The tax Israel introduced against foreigners (by the finance minister Moshe Kahlon) is 10% against the purchase of the apartment, but 25% against the sale of the property.

    However, there is a loophole that if you stay 183 days in Israel in the last year, then you avoid this tax.

    So Americans with eligibility for repatriation (this requires usually 1 Jewish grandparent, or marriage to someone who has) or some other residency permits, can send their children to apply for Israeli citizenship, and sit in Israel for 183 days before the sale of the apartment, while they flip the apartments in their names.

    Then they can flip apartments without paying the taxes. Although it limits their flipping, as the children will probably not be able to continue sitting lazily for 183 days in Israel every year they planned to flip a luxury apartment.

    -

    Question whether this is a good or bad tax seems complicated. Apartment flipping by nonresidents seems like it is exploiting the economy (the profits going to nonresidents, while the high prices still have to be paid by locals).

    On the other hand, there might be an argument, that the property investment by foreigners increases the overall supply of the luxury properties.

    My intuition is going to the second argument (that you should allow foreigners to flip the apartments) as the foreign investment is increasing the overall housing supply - but I'm not an economist.

    -

    Another of many "architecture problems" for Israel, could be that Russian billionaires are building some of the worst kitsch. The owner of Domodedovo (Moscow airport) has constructed this Donald Trump/Tony Montana mansion in Caesarea. Maybe a wealthy Emirati or Bahraini will buy this now, although I assume their taste of the younger wealthy Arab generation would not go to that.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cl78Knsvp0

    Replies: @A123

    Americans (and maybe some other nationalities) were doing apartment flipping in Israel, and this has supposedly raised the price of the properties for the Israelis so they are unaffordable for middle class people.

    The tax Israel introduced against foreigners (by the finance minister Moshe Kahlon) is 10% against the purchase of the apartment, but 25% against the sale of the property.

    This is aligns to information from other sources. The tax is targeted specifically at properties in the “middle class”. Your clarification is well aligned to flipping.

    I have heard that there is also substantial taxation on entities (individual or corporate) that acquire multiple “middle class” properties and then rent them. Given the amount of concern that BlackRock has created building up a “rental empire” in the U.S., it could be inaccurate bleed over between related topics.

    I keep hearing it, but I can never track it back to an authoritative source.

    Thanks for the addition detail.

    PEACE 😇

  120. @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    "I haven't listened to them [the cartridges] yet."

    It occurred to me that this audiophile's interests in high performance equipment may have impeded his ability to actually listen to music? Nah, just a cynical thought on my part...unless of course he's able to hear music in his mind like Beethoven did towards the end of his life? :-)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Speaker building is a wonderful hobby (or even very well paid profession), so it’s not a bad achievement even if he doesn’t listen on his hifi all day. He should be an icon for his love of this hobby.

    Sadly, he has now a deadly neurological disease before he was 80, and much of his vinyl albums look like they are still with never opened plastic packaging.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Dmitry

    I'm in awe of the guy and hope that his system provides him with some much needed joy as he copes with his debilitating disease.

  121. @AP
    @Dmitry

    At university in the USA my roommate, an engineering student, built enormous ten foot speakers. Once he connected them to a television and VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume, subjecting half the campus to…the cheesy dialogue and occasional moans. Today he would be expelled for triggering someone but in the beginning of the 90s there were no repercussions.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    VHS player, and played a porn video at full volume subjecting half the campus … beginning of the 90s

    Really a golden age.

    • Agree: AP, mal
  122. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.

    Replies: @A123, @Not Raul, @Mr. Hack

    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.

    I couldn’t have put it better myself.

  123. @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The fact that Russian & Ukrainian men like their Balls is "stupid"?

    I think most men would chose science, fertility, and keeping their Balls. I support the diversity of Nicki Minaj.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/blackfemalevoices.jpg

    Replies: @Not Raul

    I know what I want to put in HER body.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Not Raul


    I know what I want to put in HER body.
     
    From an HBD perspective her proven money making potential is very desirable. Also, culture goes in cycles. Women who can be *both* healthy and Rubenesque are vastly more desirable than they were 10-20 Years ago. If that is your thing. Go for it.

    I would make different choices... Under [MORE] as mildly NSFW.

    PEACE 😇



    https://youtu.be/oamg39BOyDo

    https://youtu.be/ilRrEOl4fDc
  124. @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    One of my technology transfer projects was to arrange for lithium cell monitoring technology developed by the European Space Agency to be transferred into the Bordnetz consortium, the standard setters for 42V (ie hybrid and electrical) systems for cars.

    A stack of cells is as good as the weakest cell. ESA was able to monitor each cell and switch off the stack in a rather neat and elegant way. This is an absolute requirement in a space craft. It's quite good in an aircraft too. Airbus and Bombardier took it on. Boeing's corporate antibodies threw it out. Boeing then had cockpit fires. European designed EVs and hybrids have an evolution of this system in place. The Japanese rely on phenomenal quality control on their lithium cells. In my day, Sony were unreal in their consistency compared to anyone else (making monitoring system obsolete). This was the source of the Boeing problem. The original design engineers specified Sony. Then value engineers turned up. Chinese were cheap. All Rev 2+ versions of complex engineering systems have been reviewed by value engineers. In HP it happened 6 months after initial product release and was usually in the product by 18 months out.

    I have no idea about Tesla batteries. I am sure all manufacturers are now at the level of Sony in 2005. However, I would still prefer a Bordnetz hybrid/EV over any other, except perhaps one using Japanese batteries from the fire safety perspective. I think Ford joined Bordnetz. I don't recall about GM.

    Russia is absolutely nowhere with any of this and seems to be betting as much on hydrogen as electric for native technical solutions to automotive tranportation. It has a great base in trolleybuses and trams and is building electric buses but not with local batteries or control technology, if any. There is a serious base of Russian supercapacitor work.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Tesla batteries

    Tesla is now going to develop a new sized 4680 battery. The largest batteries I have is only 21700, and they already kind of large.

    By the way, Tesla seemed very badly constrained by the chip shortage at the moment. I know people who tried to order one, and they were said something like “you have to wait until next before you can consider it will be delivered to you”.

    Russia is absolutely nowhere with any of this and seems

    It will be a good market for the new Chinese EVs, like BYD and Geely.

    So Lukashenko’s China romance, might have some rewards. Geely is supposedly going to assemble “Geometry A” EV in the Belarus factory. These would be assembled by Geely in Belarus, for sale in the Russian market. So Belarus should be benefiting economically, as it will allow Geely to avoid import taxes into Russia. (That is, if people will actually accept to buy these Geely cars).

  125. @Dmitry
    @Mr. Hack

    Speaker building is a wonderful hobby (or even very well paid profession), so it's not a bad achievement even if he doesn't listen on his hifi all day. He should be an icon for his love of this hobby.

    Sadly, he has now a deadly neurological disease before he was 80, and much of his vinyl albums look like they are still with never opened plastic packaging.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3T4hkPrSIY

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I’m in awe of the guy and hope that his system provides him with some much needed joy as he copes with his debilitating disease.

  126. @Not Raul
    @A123

    I know what I want to put in HER body.

    Replies: @A123

    I know what I want to put in HER body.

    From an HBD perspective her proven money making potential is very desirable. Also, culture goes in cycles. Women who can be *both* healthy and Rubenesque are vastly more desirable than they were 10-20 Years ago. If that is your thing. Go for it.

    I would make different choices… Under [MORE] as mildly NSFW.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

  127. @Coconuts
    @Mikhail


    The Belarusian opposition group involving Viacorka isn’t helping itself with the pro-Russian grouping and comes across as being an anti-Russian foreign propped front.
     
    I think this is what some of them kind of are, but this would be the minority of hardline Belarusian nationalists. The kind of thing I was thinking of is when people who aren't anti-Russian in any real sense, start using various opposition lines of argument of the kind that Viacorka promotes, sharing Polish or Western media etc. because these things are anti-Lukashenko. From what I can see the whole thing seems centred around Luka himself and domestic political issues. I thought initially that Russia would try to exert pressure to get Lukashenko to retire for this reason, because so much of the opposition is directed against him personally, as opposed to any specific policy line or orientation.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    I think this is what some of them kind of are, but this would be the minority of hardline Belarusian nationalists. The kind of thing I was thinking of is when people who aren’t anti-Russian in any real sense, start using various opposition lines of argument of the kind that Viacorka promotes, sharing Polish or Western media etc. because these things are anti-Lukashenko. From what I can see the whole thing seems centred around Luka himself and domestic political issues. I thought initially that Russia would try to exert pressure to get Lukashenko to retire for this reason, because so much of the opposition is directed against him personally, as opposed to any specific policy line or orientation.

    Russia doesn’t get credit from staying a distance from Belarus, as opposed to the neocon regime change route.

    When Luka was bashing Russia, the Russian government didn’t intervene against him.

  128. @Dmitry
    @mal

    Have you met any of this genre of crazy American engineers.

    -

    Sadly, I've seen them only on Youtube, and never worked with any such Americans; but it's a wonderful genre of Youtube.

    There is one who converted his house to a fish aquarium.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqObyjfmd8Q

    There is one who claims he has constructed the world's best hifi in his house. His turntable at 29:30

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b2IOOhJmxw

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @mal

    Lol, no.

    In the Midwest, it’s mostly about rifles and deer heads (hunting season is in October), so you get a lot of that going on. Personally, I don’t hunt but I would love to learn how to properly skin a deer and asked to be educated on such matters, but no luck so far from my Midwest friends.

    Deep South US is also all about guns, hunting, and woodworking. Deep South engineers make very good furniture. But heat is harsh in the South, so I don’t even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @mal


    But heat is harsh in the South, so I don’t even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.
     
    Hunting deer in the south is not like in the movies. The way it works for > 50% of successful hunters is this: you have a hunting stand which is a platform with a chair on a big oak tree (or similar species) branch and you have deer bait nearby on the ground (corn is common; there is some controversy in different jurisdictions over what is legal). When the deer comes for the bait you blast the poor sucker from 40-50 feet. After, you drive your pickup truck next to the carcass and lift the deer up onto the truck bed then you drive to the service that processes your kill for a fee.

    The most strenuous parts are getting your ass up onto the tree stand and getting the carcass up onto the pickup truck bed. If it isn't too hot you might not even break into a sweat.

    , @Dmitry
    @mal

    With apologies for virtue signalling on this, but for me the fashions hunting in America, are one of things I find most depressing and dislikable about American culture. So probably I wouldn't be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable "hunting trip" to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    In America, I'd prefer a mild climate, and it would be wonderful to be able to visit Mexico regularly or conveniently (i.e. San Diego).

    But from my "YouTube education" - the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas - Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    This YouTuber claims Massachusetts will be the best state.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy-kefiaLo

    This YouTuber says Colorado is the best (legal cannabis in Colorado is kind of attractive).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEp0xsc6RI

    He has Massachusetts and New Hampshire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqgyIdvbD8


    -

    But looking at these photos of these upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    https://i.imgur.com/6wZfZuo.jpg

    -

    I guess Utah always sounds like the perfect state, if it could relax laws on harmless things like cannabis, networked with excellent public transport, doesn't include "hunting trips" with colleagues, and would have a highspeed Maglev train that could commute to Palo Alto.

    Replies: @AP, @mal

  129. @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    Younger people slightly more anti-vaxx. Probably because they are in less danger.

    Lviv and Sumy were the most vaccinated places in the country, but only 7%. Kharkiv only 2% vaccinated. This was in June.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Why would you want to vaccinate those below 12 or 18 right away when they have negligible risk of dying from COVID? It’s just extending the racket.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Yellowface Anon

    If the young kids are obese or have health problems, their risk is not negligible. Otherwise, as long as at their at risk family members (older ones, etc.) have been vaccinated it probably doesn’t matter.

  130. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon



    The ideal situation is total U.S. disengagement with the predatory CCP. Once that is achieved, why would I care how China is governed?
     
    What do you want to do with... China? Keep on preventing people from trading with them?
     
    I want trade with U.S. Citizens to be beneficial to U.S. Citizen workers.

    We need MAGA wins to get rid of SJW Globalist Elites here. After that happens there will need to be several decades of MAGA Reindustrialization to build back the U.S. Citizen worker economy that has been intentionally & systematically undermined for an extended period of time.

    CCP Elites like their cozy relationship SJW MegaCorporations. They are both devotees of anti-worker World Economic Forum [WEF] Rule organized from Davos. I am not against WIN-WIN trade with the people of China. However, it is unlikely to be a viable option as long as China continues to be controlled by predatory CCP/WEF Elites.

    democratic China
     
    Democracy may be over rated. Are you sure you want to go that direction?

    Currently China is not a credible democracy. Balloting is not democracy. We had balloting here in the U.S. and the loser is now in the White House. As it stands now, is our system better than yours? Doubtful.

    Chinese workers should be encouraging moves away from easily corrupted government forms, like democracy.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Insomniac Resurrected, @Yellowface Anon

    I support local, then regional, then international trade, in that order of preference. But no point to block any trade because they happen to be under the wrong political system, otherwise you should stop doing business with GOP voters in Dem states because the Dems will tax them.

    What’s the best system for China you’ll say?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Yellowface Anon

    BTW any reindustrialization plan in America will either benefit the elites you are railing against (large-scale high-tech industry) or become garage worksmanship Third Italy-style.

    Replies: @Sinotibetan

    , @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    I cannot tell you the "best" system for your country, but I can point at clearly unworkable structures. Uniparty democracy is a clear road to failure.

    In the U.S. "Wall Street" managed to simultaneously capture the GOP and the DNC. It is not yet clear that MAGA can restore multiparty democracy, but there is a great deal of reason for short-term hope.

    China faces a similar problem with one party CCP rule. There is no obvious way out. Power has accumulated in Beijing. Conformity to party superiors is a near absolute requirement for advancement. The current CCP trajectory is towards USSR like geriatric instability. Xi removed checks and balances, such as term limits, that were heading off the age trap.

    What do you think the "best" system for China should be? What is the *practical* path to achieving that "best" system"?
    _________________________

    What do I think the "best" system for the U.S. should be? What is the *practical* path to achieving that "best" system" for America?

    The best system is the one that stands up against radical SJW Globalists. The zealot Leftoid community cannot be allowed to systematically diminish the future of productive workers.
    -- Short Term, as a practical matter, the only available tool is the MAGA movement.
    -- Long term the U.S. is going to have to restrict or eliminate political power wielded by the non-productive

    The U.S. will probably abandon "unlimited" Democracy. There is an implicit requirement for shared values tied to that choice. So many people have been brainwashed by anti-American SJW Globalism that predicate no longer exists.

    The most likely replacement is "strong qualification" Democracy. The exact measures are open to discussion. Perhaps, stripping full citizenship from everyone who voted for Not-The-President Biden would be a good starting point? Only deranged and irrational damaged things cast that vote. These are clearly unsalvagable wrecks of human detritus that should never be let near a ballot box again.
    _________________________

    Returning back to the original topic. Trade shouldn't be impacted by "system". However, it does need scored based on strategic threat, including but not limited to military threat.

    It is objectively proven fact that CCP Elites are engaged Intellectual Property theft and extensive manipulation of trade both directly and via intermediary countries. A very unfair playing field exists between privileged CCP leadership run businesses and unsupported U.S. small & medium sized business. As a consequence, U.S. Citizens are experiencing diminished earning power.

    There is blame to go around. Whether U.S. Citizens were simply wrong or intentionally tricked by "trade deals" is a different discussion. If you look at how they actually operate "free trade" has been functionally "anti-U.S trade" for decades.

    MAGA Reindustrialization will require decades of aggressively managed "pro-U.S. citizen" trade to undo the damage.
    We must have resource extraction here -- oil, gas, metals, minerals, etc... We must have national security production here. How does it make sense to be ultra dependant on Taiwan and SK for semiconductors? We must use those resources to produce finished products here.

    The current U.S. system of very high corporate income tax rates with lots of specifically lobbied loopholes is also a serious problem for business & trade distortion. A much lower rate with close monitoring of loopholes would disempower MegaCorporations and their corrupt lobbying firms.

    Introduction of tariffs as a substantial part of overall government revenue would also help. If complex finished goods are hit with a 20% import duty upon entry to the U.S., there would be huge economic incentives for the high value added steps to be performed domestically.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sinotibetan

  131. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    I support local, then regional, then international trade, in that order of preference. But no point to block any trade because they happen to be under the wrong political system, otherwise you should stop doing business with GOP voters in Dem states because the Dems will tax them.

    What's the best system for China you'll say?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123

    BTW any reindustrialization plan in America will either benefit the elites you are railing against (large-scale high-tech industry) or become garage worksmanship Third Italy-style.

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
    @Yellowface Anon

    I couldn't resist the temptation to comment in this blog. 🙁
    Read your exchanges with A123 as well as Insomniac Resurrected with fascination. I generally agree with Insomniac Resurrected.

    The SJW/leftoids/woke/progressives/liberals or whatever we may call them are led by Western "whites"(ie of "European extraction"). In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/"mutant" white supremacists. They are a mirror image , and have similar mindset ,to that of neo-nazis or traditional white supremacist only the idealized supreme race is not some Nordic Teutonic Blond but a mongrel of mostly negroid race plus other ethnicities combined. It has a religious fervour to it, some sort akin to a pseudo-Christian cult, with a desire for a one world idealized utopia inhabited by one 'race' only, the recreated human "race" being the true second Adam(just as Christ was a mythic one). Their values and their evangelistic zeal can all be derived (in perverted forms)from Christianity, and perhaps even Protestant Christendom at that. America , being a land of immigrants of almost every ethnic group in the world, is perfect for this social experiment , and being lone superpower and sole cultural hegemon, best hijacked for this agenda to transform the world to their idealized utopia. In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these - they view themselves as the supreme "race" which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models. They just don't agree which "race" is the idealized one. Hence their great quarrel. But the attitude and mindset is the same. They do not tolerate any other different models or views because it would be anathema to their concept of them being the most innovative , coming up with the best ideals. It is impossible to reason with these fanatics because there is something akin to religion in their mindset.

    Hence a rival like a more powerful or assertive China is unacceptable. It's the same attitude that they have towards Russia.

    As for the corporatocrats in the West, SJW ideals suit their mindset. They are rootless people , with no loyalty to any nation or tribe except to themselves and their cult of mammon worship. They may not belong to SJW but these fanatics suit their agenda.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Coconuts

  132. @Yellowface Anon
    @AP

    Why would you want to vaccinate those below 12 or 18 right away when they have negligible risk of dying from COVID? It's just extending the racket.

    Replies: @AP

    If the young kids are obese or have health problems, their risk is not negligible. Otherwise, as long as at their at risk family members (older ones, etc.) have been vaccinated it probably doesn’t matter.

  133. Eduard Habsburg voices AP dream. 🙂

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Haha...revive the Austro-Hungarian Empire with whole of Poland in it.
    Then reinstate the House of Habsburg , the head of that dynasty to be the New Emperor....

    Replies: @AP

    , @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Cyprus + Greece + Italy is now locked in as a Southern Christian Energy alliance. The discovery of the huge Calypso field (2018) makes the project economically inevitable, supports common Christian culture, and serves national security as a counter to the Turkish aggression.

    AP + Italy / Visegrád 4 + Austria + Italy is an alliance that I have been expecting for some time. It is taking longer than I hoped for Austria and Italy to become properly EUskeptic. Fortunately, the trajectory seems almost unstoppable.
    ___

    If you want an unlikely "dream" scenario:

    RomaStream / Russia + Romania + Hungary (+Serbia?). Plus and Minus:
    - - Romania & Russia is very counter intuitive
    - There is no English language map or project plan for it
    + I keep hearing about it despite the lack of a project plan
    + + It would let some very powerful people publicly humiliate Bulgaria
    + + + Romania has severe budget problems (1) that could be alleviated by transit fees

    My guess is that this falls in the category of wishful thinking, but it has at least superficial credibility. Has there been any non-English coverage?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sovereigns/romanias-political-crisis-presents-risks-to-deficit-reduction-07-09-2021

     
    https://www.dw.com/image/43227418_304.png

    Replies: @AP

  134. @Yevardian
    @Akarlin

    * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi – A Political Biography
     
    Have you started reading this, or are planning to in the near future? Looks interesting, I'll see if I can find it on libgen, reading about that black hole of a country is always instructive. Unfortunately I can't find more than a whisper of quote about the author's background.
    Does "Malla" ever comment here? He seems pretty knowledgable about India-related stuff.

    I think most men would chose science, fertility, and keeping their Balls. I support the diversity of Nicki Minaj.
     
    @A123 Do you ever do anything here except defend Israel and post extremely poor quality sub-/pol/-tier memes?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @angmoh

    I’m satisfied with Scott Alexander’s review.

    The one India book I’m planning to read is Joshi’s India’s Long Road (which Thulean Friend recommended to me) to get a better grasp on its economy.

    Also eventually some history, though Nemets summarized Keay’s very well:

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://twitter.com/CliosChronicles/status/1439623114103480321?s=20

  135. @Yevardian
    @Akarlin

    * Scott Alexander: Book Review: Modi – A Political Biography
     
    Have you started reading this, or are planning to in the near future? Looks interesting, I'll see if I can find it on libgen, reading about that black hole of a country is always instructive. Unfortunately I can't find more than a whisper of quote about the author's background.
    Does "Malla" ever comment here? He seems pretty knowledgable about India-related stuff.

    I think most men would chose science, fertility, and keeping their Balls. I support the diversity of Nicki Minaj.
     
    @A123 Do you ever do anything here except defend Israel and post extremely poor quality sub-/pol/-tier memes?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @angmoh

    Fairly weird review since he spends much of it casting doubt on the author’s telling of events. With such unreliable source material how much insight can you really glean.

    The Erdogan book review was quite good.

  136. @Anatoly Karlin
    Eduard Habsburg voices AP dream. :)

    https://twitter.com/EduardHabsburg/status/1439465240731824131

    Replies: @Sinotibetan, @A123

    Haha…revive the Austro-Hungarian Empire with whole of Poland in it.
    Then reinstate the House of Habsburg , the head of that dynasty to be the New Emperor….

    • Replies: @AP
    @Sinotibetan

    The best thing to do would be to create a federalized superstate combining A-H with PLC. Basically a homeland for all the more conservative and non-“diverse” European countries. Austria would be a bit of an outlier but it is small enough not cause too much damage and it’s nature would be worth it.

    Map of Islam in Europe:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Islam_in_Europe-2.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Svidomyatheart

  137. @Yellowface Anon
    @Yellowface Anon

    BTW any reindustrialization plan in America will either benefit the elites you are railing against (large-scale high-tech industry) or become garage worksmanship Third Italy-style.

    Replies: @Sinotibetan

    I couldn’t resist the temptation to comment in this blog. 🙁
    Read your exchanges with A123 as well as Insomniac Resurrected with fascination. I generally agree with Insomniac Resurrected.

    The SJW/leftoids/woke/progressives/liberals or whatever we may call them are led by Western “whites”(ie of “European extraction”). In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/”mutant” white supremacists. They are a mirror image , and have similar mindset ,to that of neo-nazis or traditional white supremacist only the idealized supreme race is not some Nordic Teutonic Blond but a mongrel of mostly negroid race plus other ethnicities combined. It has a religious fervour to it, some sort akin to a pseudo-Christian cult, with a desire for a one world idealized utopia inhabited by one ‘race’ only, the recreated human “race” being the true second Adam(just as Christ was a mythic one). Their values and their evangelistic zeal can all be derived (in perverted forms)from Christianity, and perhaps even Protestant Christendom at that. America , being a land of immigrants of almost every ethnic group in the world, is perfect for this social experiment , and being lone superpower and sole cultural hegemon, best hijacked for this agenda to transform the world to their idealized utopia. In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these – they view themselves as the supreme “race” which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models. They just don’t agree which “race” is the idealized one. Hence their great quarrel. But the attitude and mindset is the same. They do not tolerate any other different models or views because it would be anathema to their concept of them being the most innovative , coming up with the best ideals. It is impossible to reason with these fanatics because there is something akin to religion in their mindset.

    Hence a rival like a more powerful or assertive China is unacceptable. It’s the same attitude that they have towards Russia.

    As for the corporatocrats in the West, SJW ideals suit their mindset. They are rootless people , with no loyalty to any nation or tribe except to themselves and their cult of mammon worship. They may not belong to SJW but these fanatics suit their agenda.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Sinotibetan

    Putin and Xi want a big slice of the pie and some of the globalist tech + control goodies, but they think as national elites that aims to strengthen their position instead of being merged into the globalist Borg. They aren't good, but they preferable to liberal globalism.

    , @Coconuts
    @Sinotibetan


    In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/”mutant” white supremacists.
     
    I think a lot of what you write about the Woke is true, I would add some more detail to a genealogy of the movement:

    It starts in Christendom, (the religio-political system of Western and Central Europe as much as the modern versions of the religion), followed by the French and Anglo Enlightenment, then, this period is especially important, the German Enlightenment; Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Marx. Later Freud, Lenin, Trotsky, the Frankfurt School and Western Marxism, Post-Colonialism, Ethno-Communism and Third Worldism. This re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo Protestant progressivism. Feminism is another new and important element which AFAIK is probably a movement without clear historical precedent or ancestry before the 18th century.

    It is hard to argue against because it is so deeply layered and like a convoluted journey through the European radical left tradition since the Enlightenment. Somehow they have managed to fuse that with neo-liberal corporate power. It seems like this happens via the idea of the 'dictatorship of the oppressed heralding in the new liberationist utopia'. The Woke corporate people and influencers are like the new Party, the vanguard and leaders of the revolutionary oppressed classes ('ghetto populations', non-white women, LGBTQIA, SJW students and so on). A large number of them are white but definitely not all, and Wokeness can be very interesting to Western blacks and some members of other non-white groups living in the West.

    This is true:


    In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these – they view themselves as the supreme “race” which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models.
     
    To the Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview or actual reactionary, deviationist, 'bureaucratic' and 'Fascistic' regimes.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Dmitry

  138. @Sinotibetan
    @Yellowface Anon

    I couldn't resist the temptation to comment in this blog. 🙁
    Read your exchanges with A123 as well as Insomniac Resurrected with fascination. I generally agree with Insomniac Resurrected.

    The SJW/leftoids/woke/progressives/liberals or whatever we may call them are led by Western "whites"(ie of "European extraction"). In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/"mutant" white supremacists. They are a mirror image , and have similar mindset ,to that of neo-nazis or traditional white supremacist only the idealized supreme race is not some Nordic Teutonic Blond but a mongrel of mostly negroid race plus other ethnicities combined. It has a religious fervour to it, some sort akin to a pseudo-Christian cult, with a desire for a one world idealized utopia inhabited by one 'race' only, the recreated human "race" being the true second Adam(just as Christ was a mythic one). Their values and their evangelistic zeal can all be derived (in perverted forms)from Christianity, and perhaps even Protestant Christendom at that. America , being a land of immigrants of almost every ethnic group in the world, is perfect for this social experiment , and being lone superpower and sole cultural hegemon, best hijacked for this agenda to transform the world to their idealized utopia. In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these - they view themselves as the supreme "race" which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models. They just don't agree which "race" is the idealized one. Hence their great quarrel. But the attitude and mindset is the same. They do not tolerate any other different models or views because it would be anathema to their concept of them being the most innovative , coming up with the best ideals. It is impossible to reason with these fanatics because there is something akin to religion in their mindset.

    Hence a rival like a more powerful or assertive China is unacceptable. It's the same attitude that they have towards Russia.

    As for the corporatocrats in the West, SJW ideals suit their mindset. They are rootless people , with no loyalty to any nation or tribe except to themselves and their cult of mammon worship. They may not belong to SJW but these fanatics suit their agenda.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Coconuts

    Putin and Xi want a big slice of the pie and some of the globalist tech + control goodies, but they think as national elites that aims to strengthen their position instead of being merged into the globalist Borg. They aren’t good, but they preferable to liberal globalism.

  139. @Yevardian
    @songbird

    Does it the graph only count married couples though? More relevantly (we're discussing Sweden here), does it count cuckoldry between 'consenting adults'?

    Replies: @songbird

    Think it is all babies, but just babies. No measure of open relationships. But Greg Cochran seems to call the whole thing into question. Says 3% was outside historic norms for Europe.

  140. I think the movie Gremlins 2 (1990) could be seen in the same light as LotR or “They Live!” That is, one could view it as allegory about immigration. To the point where, I don’t think they would have made it today.

    Though, I’m not saying it is ideologically perfect. Not as pozzed as “They Live!”, but I do think there are a couple of stereotypically Jewish fingerprints on the film, mostly involving lines spoken by the character actor Dick Miller. For example, he talks about a Russian cabdriver and gets suspicious in a Cold War way – as though people objecting to immigration were just paranoid. Also, looks at a cathedral and says it evokes “the Dark Ages.”

    One or two more involving other characters. But still, I think it is a funny film, at least, if you view it in the light of orc memes. And as a (very) young boy, I enjoyed it on its face. Though admittedly, it is pretty unsophisticated.

  141. Recently, finished reading Kurosawa’s memoirs. Thought it was pretty interesting, especially the first half or so, where he talks about his youth and particularly the Great Kanto Quake, after which he was set guarding the opening of a drain pipe in a wall, in case any Koreans snuck through – though he says it was too small for a cat. He blamed the anti-Korean fervor on the darkness.

    Actually, haven’t seen a huge number of his films and am not very artsy.

  142. @Sinotibetan
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Haha...revive the Austro-Hungarian Empire with whole of Poland in it.
    Then reinstate the House of Habsburg , the head of that dynasty to be the New Emperor....

    Replies: @AP

    The best thing to do would be to create a federalized superstate combining A-H with PLC. Basically a homeland for all the more conservative and non-“diverse” European countries. Austria would be a bit of an outlier but it is small enough not cause too much damage and it’s nature would be worth it.

    Map of Islam in Europe:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Have you given up on your dream of incorporating Ukraine into a revived Habsburg Empire?

    , @Svidomyatheart
    @AP

    Yes and those Muslims can be safely moved back at the snap of a finger if you get people hard enough to do it. Just institute some more stident Jus sanguinis laws. Irrc Algerians kicked out the French (and a year later the French had Nukes and did nothing !!) with that suitcase or coffin thing and nothing happened.

    Just wait until some Muslim will commit a rape or murder or something vile (that will not take long, a few months at most) and let that be the precedent. Sure Muslims could try to go on a chimpout but some Soviet style counterinsurgency or insurgency type laws will suffice.

    Like for example OUN sending the entire families of traitors to the next dimension(yes and the kids too). This policy would immediately get Muslims to behave.

    But I think all those Muslims and Turks are now possibly a permanent feature in Austria/Germany though. They are not going anywhere. And there will be more of them. But I dont speak for West Euros.

    Poland isnt getting out of EU to form its own bloc and it will take much more than that French fiasco that has just happened for Euros to realize anything, it will probably take Europe a decade or more to realize that all Anglos(5 eyes) are not their friends but demons clad in human skin who support everything except Europeans

  143. @mal
    @Dmitry

    Lol, no.

    In the Midwest, it's mostly about rifles and deer heads (hunting season is in October), so you get a lot of that going on. Personally, I don't hunt but I would love to learn how to properly skin a deer and asked to be educated on such matters, but no luck so far from my Midwest friends.

    Deep South US is also all about guns, hunting, and woodworking. Deep South engineers make very good furniture. But heat is harsh in the South, so I don't even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Dmitry

    But heat is harsh in the South, so I don’t even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    Hunting deer in the south is not like in the movies. The way it works for > 50% of successful hunters is this: you have a hunting stand which is a platform with a chair on a big oak tree (or similar species) branch and you have deer bait nearby on the ground (corn is common; there is some controversy in different jurisdictions over what is legal). When the deer comes for the bait you blast the poor sucker from 40-50 feet. After, you drive your pickup truck next to the carcass and lift the deer up onto the truck bed then you drive to the service that processes your kill for a fee.

    The most strenuous parts are getting your ass up onto the tree stand and getting the carcass up onto the pickup truck bed. If it isn’t too hot you might not even break into a sweat.

    • Thanks: mal
  144. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    More evidence that Russians and Ukrainians are one people, united in stupidity.

    Replies: @A123, @Not Raul, @Mr. Hack

    The remedy for even the syndrome of conjoined twins is to separate the two as early as possible. I think that this process was completed for both the Ukrainians and Russians sometime at the end of the 12th century. Cruel as it may seem, various attempts at reestablishing “unification” for these two disparate siblings has always ended up in failure. The larger one just can’t seem to live without the smaller one. It’s a shame.


    “One nation” or “one body” isn’t always ideal.

  145. @AP
    @Sinotibetan

    The best thing to do would be to create a federalized superstate combining A-H with PLC. Basically a homeland for all the more conservative and non-“diverse” European countries. Austria would be a bit of an outlier but it is small enough not cause too much damage and it’s nature would be worth it.

    Map of Islam in Europe:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Islam_in_Europe-2.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Svidomyatheart

    Have you given up on your dream of incorporating Ukraine into a revived Habsburg Empire?

  146. @Yellowface Anon
    @A123

    I support local, then regional, then international trade, in that order of preference. But no point to block any trade because they happen to be under the wrong political system, otherwise you should stop doing business with GOP voters in Dem states because the Dems will tax them.

    What's the best system for China you'll say?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @A123

    I cannot tell you the “best” system for your country, but I can point at clearly unworkable structures. Uniparty democracy is a clear road to failure.

    In the U.S. “Wall Street” managed to simultaneously capture the GOP and the DNC. It is not yet clear that MAGA can restore multiparty democracy, but there is a great deal of reason for short-term hope.

    China faces a similar problem with one party CCP rule. There is no obvious way out. Power has accumulated in Beijing. Conformity to party superiors is a near absolute requirement for advancement. The current CCP trajectory is towards USSR like geriatric instability. Xi removed checks and balances, such as term limits, that were heading off the age trap.

    What do you think the “best” system for China should be? What is the *practical* path to achieving that “best” system”?
    _________________________

    What do I think the “best” system for the U.S. should be? What is the *practical* path to achieving that “best” system” for America?

    The best system is the one that stands up against radical SJW Globalists. The zealot Leftoid community cannot be allowed to systematically diminish the future of productive workers.
    — Short Term, as a practical matter, the only available tool is the MAGA movement.
    — Long term the U.S. is going to have to restrict or eliminate political power wielded by the non-productive

    The U.S. will probably abandon “unlimited” Democracy. There is an implicit requirement for shared values tied to that choice. So many people have been brainwashed by anti-American SJW Globalism that predicate no longer exists.

    The most likely replacement is “strong qualification” Democracy. The exact measures are open to discussion. Perhaps, stripping full citizenship from everyone who voted for Not-The-President Biden would be a good starting point? Only deranged and irrational damaged things cast that vote. These are clearly unsalvagable wrecks of human detritus that should never be let near a ballot box again.
    _________________________

    Returning back to the original topic. Trade shouldn’t be impacted by “system”. However, it does need scored based on strategic threat, including but not limited to military threat.

    It is objectively proven fact that CCP Elites are engaged Intellectual Property theft and extensive manipulation of trade both directly and via intermediary countries. A very unfair playing field exists between privileged CCP leadership run businesses and unsupported U.S. small & medium sized business. As a consequence, U.S. Citizens are experiencing diminished earning power.

    There is blame to go around. Whether U.S. Citizens were simply wrong or intentionally tricked by “trade deals” is a different discussion. If you look at how they actually operate “free trade” has been functionally “anti-U.S trade” for decades.

    MAGA Reindustrialization will require decades of aggressively managed “pro-U.S. citizen” trade to undo the damage.
    We must have resource extraction here — oil, gas, metals, minerals, etc… We must have national security production here. How does it make sense to be ultra dependant on Taiwan and SK for semiconductors? We must use those resources to produce finished products here.

    The current U.S. system of very high corporate income tax rates with lots of specifically lobbied loopholes is also a serious problem for business & trade distortion. A much lower rate with close monitoring of loopholes would disempower MegaCorporations and their corrupt lobbying firms.

    Introduction of tariffs as a substantial part of overall government revenue would also help. If complex finished goods are hit with a 20% import duty upon entry to the U.S., there would be huge economic incentives for the high value added steps to be performed domestically.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
    @A123

    Just some general response:-
    1.Generally I am agnostic to political systems. I don't agree with any one system that fits for all countries/cultures and I don't think anyone can conclude with absolute certainty that "uniparty democracy" is a clear road to failure. Previous superpowers in ancient times were mostly /tended to be authoritarian monarchies which lasted centuries , not multiparty democracies. Even Western European colonial powers during their zenith were hardly "liberal democracies" or truly multiparty democracies. Multiparty democracy associated with a successful great superpower is a historically recent phenomenon, in my opinion. The Chinese were "superpower"/"great power" during Han, Tang and Ming dynasties which were clearly authoritarian , monarchial states. I am not saying absolute monarchy is the preferred system. I am saying it's not possible to conflate multiparty democracy or liberal democracy with a geopolitically and economically successful nation-state or power. All rich and powerful 'liberal democracies' had a headstart with their less than praiseworthy practices of their ruling elites during colonial times + genuine scientific and technological innovations that bloomed at least 18th Century onwards. Modern Western political systems evolved to their present forms from those times . Hence , simple equation-like liberal democracy = national success is simply error. This is the error of those youth protestors in Arab Spring, the colour revolutions in former Soviet bloc countries, and now those protestors in Hong Kong or the pro independence Taiwan Govt. Too much idealism, not enough hard ,cold realism.

    2. I can agree that Xi concentrating his powers and removing term limits is an unhealthy development. However, the statement that it will lead to a USSR-like gerontocracy and political instability is not a given. Present day China is not USSR and not even Mao era China. The CPC elites, including Xi, I am sure, have studied regarding the collapse of USSR intently. They had a precedent and a case to study upon, which the USSR ruling elites did not.

    3. Pro-SJW /leftoid "human detritus" are here to stay in America and seem to be growing in number. I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical. To be honest, I think America is unsalvageable from this leftoid 'curse' , as is Western Europe/EU. Leftoid "values"are dogmas of the new Western "culture".

    4. As for CPC elites, well their behaviour are like all ruling elites! Like AS if the European, Japanese and American elites NEVER resort to unfair dealings for self-interests! Not justifying the CPC elites , just saying this is of course a grey area where there are no saints , only sinners.

    5. As for MAGA, the US only became a great power and hegemon after the 2 world wars , and lone superpower after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Before that , the US was a second rate power in the West during those colonial times. So, perhaps it's good to know what the definition of a "great" America is or really should be. Because , globalism is the result of America's projection of power, its "greatness". The Trumpist MAGA plan would be, in the eyes of globalists(who mostly reside in the West) and Utopian SJW human detritus, a plan to make America 'not great' again, a reversion to a "nationalistic" America, an America that is no different from other 'normal' nations that put national self-interest first, that actually removes "American exceptionalism" as lone superpower and sociocultural hegemon.

    6. At least a point of convergence that's emerging in America for both MAGA folks and leftoid human detritus is their common hatred for CPC and China . One common enemy to unite them all.

    Replies: @A123, @Yellowface Anon

  147. Thanks.
    The main (practical) problems with such federal superstate are :-
    1. These countries are stuck with binding treaties within the EU(controlled by predominantly woke and progressive elites). It’s no easy task to break free from that superstate, the EU political elites will make sure of that . In the meantime, liberal media and academia will continue to poison the minds of the youths towards liberalism/woke ideals as long as these countries remain within the EU.
    2. If breaking free from the EU superstate becomes a reality, the region remains geopolitically and economically isolated. They will be ‘enemies’ with “Western Europe” and America. Sea route is out of the question. They need to “befriend” Russia – providing a land route for trade with countries to the east and beyond, as well as “geopolitical” protection from the spurned woke collective West(which have soft power and nuclear weapons). Poland, Czech and the Baltic states are all kinda “Russophobic”, so that’s quite a problem. And I think the ruling elites in Russia are not keen for such confrontation with the West should this new federal superstate becomes geopolitically aligned with them. I think Russia’s national interests would be to reunite the “Russosphere” countries like Belarus and Ukraine back to its fold. Russia seems to have accepted that Poland, the Baltic states, Czech and Slovak republics are now aligned with the West.
    3. If the superstate is economically and geopolitically isolated as per point # 2, in no time, no matter how “conservative” and “less diverse” their populations may be, they would be seduced to fall back to the allure of Western wealth,power and prestige in which Russia is no match.
    4. I think such a confederation would at best be a politically loose one. Which country would be the leader of such a confederation? This might be such a serious issue that even a loose confederation might be stillborn.

    Thanks for the map. If the map includes equally difficult to integrate Subsaharan Africans, the situation may seem even more dire. I have visited Paris and Stockholm as a tourist. I was shocked to see how dirty Paris was /(is?). On the way to the Gare du Nord terminus of the London to Paris Eurostar route, I saw garbage strewn here and there, and there were vistas of what seemed like shantytowns. There were many African scammers at tourist spots. It was a very third world country experience and I am from a “third world country”! Generally it felt unsafe. My wife and I visited the Ikea ‘headquarters’ in Stockholm – gosh that part of the city looked like it was in an Islamic African country.

    Western Europe will be demographically replaced by these more martial people if the status quo continues. I just wonder when that threshold will be breached .

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
    @Sinotibetan

    Yikes.
    It was supposed to be a comment on AP's post.

    , @A123
    @Sinotibetan

    There is no need to leave the EU. If enough EU countries decide they want to collectively break Brussels. The top EU "courts" are actually powerless. Let me illustrate:

    If Italy and Greece and Cyprus and Austria decide they are going to clear Euro € currency bypassing Berlin/ECB/Frankfurt aggression.... What is the response? Fines do not work when the power you are trying to fine in fiat currency generates fiat currency to pay the fine.

    What happens when The Dark Heart of Europe tries to withhold budget? Again the sovereign nations will simply print sufficient € siverign currency to clear through sovereign national banks outside of the reach of the Berlin/ECB/Frankfurt.

    In most poetic form, victims of German financial aggression like Greece & Italy, will celebrate € Liberation Day by printing lots of €1 and €5 bills. Pushing bundles them around in Merkelbarrows (wheelbarrows with Merkel's picture on the bottom). Demonstrating helicopter money is real by literally floating bills out of military helicopters down on to celebrating crowds. Many other PR stunts are possible. Use your imagination.

    The problem with Germany's position is they are desperate for export markets, while their target victim countries do not need Germany. Wholesale nationalisation of entire industries with German masters getting ZERO is achievable. The ideal outcome would be forcing Germany to flee a EU that they can no longer dominate.

    And, it can all happen without a single shot being fired. A truly bloodless victory for Christian Populism.

    PEACE 😇

    , @AP
    @Sinotibetan


    In the meantime, liberal media and academia will continue to poison the minds of the youths towards liberalism/woke ideals as long as these countries remain within the EU.
     
    Yes and no. People are becoming more compassionate towards homosexuals but on other issues such ass mass immigration of non-Europeans they are not necessarily becoming woke in central/eastern Europe. Even in places such as Italy, the youth are more right wing than are the older generations.

    If breaking free from the EU superstate becomes a reality, the region remains geopolitically and economically isolated. They will be ‘enemies’ with “Western Europe” and America.
     
    Western Europe and America are not together a monolith. They may have worse relations with western Europe, but good relations with America.

    Sea route is out of the question.
     
    Gdansk and Odessa are major ports. Even if there is a negative rivalry with the western EU there would not be a blockade - it wouldn't be a war.

    If the superstate is economically and geopolitically isolated as per point # 2, in no time, no matter how “conservative” and “less diverse” their populations may be, they would be seduced to fall back to the allure of Western wealth,power and prestige in which Russia is no match.
     
    If this were inevitable it would already have happened. It hasn't. People in eastern and central Europe are quite aware of the mess that Paris and London have become and don't want their homelands to develop in this way.

    I think such a confederation would at best be a politically loose one. Which country would be the leader of such a confederation? This might be such a serious issue that even a loose confederation might be stillborn.
     
    Sure, this would be a potential problem. A solution might be a rotating executive, as in the EU.
  148. @Anatoly Karlin
    Eduard Habsburg voices AP dream. :)

    https://twitter.com/EduardHabsburg/status/1439465240731824131

    Replies: @Sinotibetan, @A123

    Cyprus + Greece + Italy is now locked in as a Southern Christian Energy alliance. The discovery of the huge Calypso field (2018) makes the project economically inevitable, supports common Christian culture, and serves national security as a counter to the Turkish aggression.

    AP + Italy / Visegrád 4 + Austria + Italy is an alliance that I have been expecting for some time. It is taking longer than I hoped for Austria and Italy to become properly EUskeptic. Fortunately, the trajectory seems almost unstoppable.
    ___

    If you want an unlikely “dream” scenario:

    RomaStream / Russia + Romania + Hungary (+Serbia?). Plus and Minus:
    – – Romania & Russia is very counter intuitive
    – There is no English language map or project plan for it
    + I keep hearing about it despite the lack of a project plan
    + + It would let some very powerful people publicly humiliate Bulgaria
    + + + Romania has severe budget problems (1) that could be alleviated by transit fees

    My guess is that this falls in the category of wishful thinking, but it has at least superficial credibility. Has there been any non-English coverage?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sovereigns/romanias-political-crisis-presents-risks-to-deficit-reduction-07-09-2021

     

    • Replies: @AP
    @A123


    AP + Italy / Visegrád 4 + Austria + Italy is an alliance that I have been expecting for some time. It is taking longer than I hoped for Austria and Italy to become properly EUskeptic. Fortunately, the trajectory seems almost unstoppable.
     
    Great point. Italy is a rather conservative place also and would be a good fit. It would be linked to V4/Baltics/Ukraine through Austria and Slovenia. Ultimately, of course, it would be great if the East redeemed and saved all the West. Italy might be the first one.
  149. @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    I cannot tell you the "best" system for your country, but I can point at clearly unworkable structures. Uniparty democracy is a clear road to failure.

    In the U.S. "Wall Street" managed to simultaneously capture the GOP and the DNC. It is not yet clear that MAGA can restore multiparty democracy, but there is a great deal of reason for short-term hope.

    China faces a similar problem with one party CCP rule. There is no obvious way out. Power has accumulated in Beijing. Conformity to party superiors is a near absolute requirement for advancement. The current CCP trajectory is towards USSR like geriatric instability. Xi removed checks and balances, such as term limits, that were heading off the age trap.

    What do you think the "best" system for China should be? What is the *practical* path to achieving that "best" system"?
    _________________________

    What do I think the "best" system for the U.S. should be? What is the *practical* path to achieving that "best" system" for America?

    The best system is the one that stands up against radical SJW Globalists. The zealot Leftoid community cannot be allowed to systematically diminish the future of productive workers.
    -- Short Term, as a practical matter, the only available tool is the MAGA movement.
    -- Long term the U.S. is going to have to restrict or eliminate political power wielded by the non-productive

    The U.S. will probably abandon "unlimited" Democracy. There is an implicit requirement for shared values tied to that choice. So many people have been brainwashed by anti-American SJW Globalism that predicate no longer exists.

    The most likely replacement is "strong qualification" Democracy. The exact measures are open to discussion. Perhaps, stripping full citizenship from everyone who voted for Not-The-President Biden would be a good starting point? Only deranged and irrational damaged things cast that vote. These are clearly unsalvagable wrecks of human detritus that should never be let near a ballot box again.
    _________________________

    Returning back to the original topic. Trade shouldn't be impacted by "system". However, it does need scored based on strategic threat, including but not limited to military threat.

    It is objectively proven fact that CCP Elites are engaged Intellectual Property theft and extensive manipulation of trade both directly and via intermediary countries. A very unfair playing field exists between privileged CCP leadership run businesses and unsupported U.S. small & medium sized business. As a consequence, U.S. Citizens are experiencing diminished earning power.

    There is blame to go around. Whether U.S. Citizens were simply wrong or intentionally tricked by "trade deals" is a different discussion. If you look at how they actually operate "free trade" has been functionally "anti-U.S trade" for decades.

    MAGA Reindustrialization will require decades of aggressively managed "pro-U.S. citizen" trade to undo the damage.
    We must have resource extraction here -- oil, gas, metals, minerals, etc... We must have national security production here. How does it make sense to be ultra dependant on Taiwan and SK for semiconductors? We must use those resources to produce finished products here.

    The current U.S. system of very high corporate income tax rates with lots of specifically lobbied loopholes is also a serious problem for business & trade distortion. A much lower rate with close monitoring of loopholes would disempower MegaCorporations and their corrupt lobbying firms.

    Introduction of tariffs as a substantial part of overall government revenue would also help. If complex finished goods are hit with a 20% import duty upon entry to the U.S., there would be huge economic incentives for the high value added steps to be performed domestically.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @Sinotibetan

    Just some general response:-
    1.Generally I am agnostic to political systems. I don’t agree with any one system that fits for all countries/cultures and I don’t think anyone can conclude with absolute certainty that “uniparty democracy” is a clear road to failure. Previous superpowers in ancient times were mostly /tended to be authoritarian monarchies which lasted centuries , not multiparty democracies. Even Western European colonial powers during their zenith were hardly “liberal democracies” or truly multiparty democracies. Multiparty democracy associated with a successful great superpower is a historically recent phenomenon, in my opinion. The Chinese were “superpower”/”great power” during Han, Tang and Ming dynasties which were clearly authoritarian , monarchial states. I am not saying absolute monarchy is the preferred system. I am saying it’s not possible to conflate multiparty democracy or liberal democracy with a geopolitically and economically successful nation-state or power. All rich and powerful ‘liberal democracies’ had a headstart with their less than praiseworthy practices of their ruling elites during colonial times + genuine scientific and technological innovations that bloomed at least 18th Century onwards. Modern Western political systems evolved to their present forms from those times . Hence , simple equation-like liberal democracy = national success is simply error. This is the error of those youth protestors in Arab Spring, the colour revolutions in former Soviet bloc countries, and now those protestors in Hong Kong or the pro independence Taiwan Govt. Too much idealism, not enough hard ,cold realism.

    2. I can agree that Xi concentrating his powers and removing term limits is an unhealthy development. However, the statement that it will lead to a USSR-like gerontocracy and political instability is not a given. Present day China is not USSR and not even Mao era China. The CPC elites, including Xi, I am sure, have studied regarding the collapse of USSR intently. They had a precedent and a case to study upon, which the USSR ruling elites did not.

    3. Pro-SJW /leftoid “human detritus” are here to stay in America and seem to be growing in number. I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical. To be honest, I think America is unsalvageable from this leftoid ‘curse’ , as is Western Europe/EU. Leftoid “values”are dogmas of the new Western “culture”.

    4. As for CPC elites, well their behaviour are like all ruling elites! Like AS if the European, Japanese and American elites NEVER resort to unfair dealings for self-interests! Not justifying the CPC elites , just saying this is of course a grey area where there are no saints , only sinners.

    5. As for MAGA, the US only became a great power and hegemon after the 2 world wars , and lone superpower after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Before that , the US was a second rate power in the West during those colonial times. So, perhaps it’s good to know what the definition of a “great” America is or really should be. Because , globalism is the result of America’s projection of power, its “greatness”. The Trumpist MAGA plan would be, in the eyes of globalists(who mostly reside in the West) and Utopian SJW human detritus, a plan to make America ‘not great’ again, a reversion to a “nationalistic” America, an America that is no different from other ‘normal’ nations that put national self-interest first, that actually removes “American exceptionalism” as lone superpower and sociocultural hegemon.

    6. At least a point of convergence that’s emerging in America for both MAGA folks and leftoid human detritus is their common hatred for CPC and China . One common enemy to unite them all.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Sinotibetan


    3. Pro-SJW /leftoid “human detritus” are here to stay in America and seem to be growing in number. I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical. To be honest, I think America is unsalvageable from this leftoid ‘curse’ , as is Western Europe/EU. Leftoid “values”are dogmas of the new Western “culture”.
     
    Culture swings like a pendulum. Thanks to fiascos like Minneapolis and Portland it is now swinging away from SJW extremism and picking up speed along the way. No one, not even DNC loyalists, wants their employer burned down or their home vandalized by looters. Remember, these are major DNC contributors:

     
    https://www.libertyplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/st-louis-gun-couple.png
     

    Leftoid human detritus needs transfer payments to stay. It is a virtuous cycle:

    -- They more disenfranchised they become, the less money they have.
    -- The less money they have, the easier it further diminish their franchise.

    Anyone who breaks out of the Leftoid trap and experiences grinding taxes that subside Leftoids will immediately become MAGA converts. Those that cannot survive without graft will travel elsewhere (e.g. Canada, Mexico, etc).
    ___

    Stripping citizenship for Biden Voting was intended to be taken humorously rather than literally. It is impractical. Stripping the vote from all registered Democrats is practical, but not necessarily an effective solution. Due to local election rules, those in non-competitive districts often register independent/NPA or in the other party so they can access primaries.

    There is no single prepackaged solution for creating eforceable "strong qualifications". Any practical steps will require negotiation and a certain amount of compromise.

    Imposition of qualifications will not happen all at once. The first test will probably be claiming EITC. If you are working age & on the dole you cannot vote. This would then be wedged up to anyone working age who consumes more in government expenditures than income taxes paid. Right or wrong, everyone shares in Medicare and Social Security, so these programs cannot be scored for disenfranchisement without creating social unrest.

    In many ways, the exact provisions are not that important. Regardless of mechanism, keeping the bottom 1/4 to 1/3 away from the ballot box greatly improves the odds for desirable outcomes.

    PEACE 😇
    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Sinotibetan


    I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical.
     
    "Progressives" "want to send" antivaxxers and hardcore Trumpists to quarantine and reeducation camps, hardcore Trumpists "want to send" Democrats and RINOs to refugee camps.

    Some group or the other will suffer if these fail to stay on the rhetorical level. Looks like a 2-country partition or Balkanization is already the most preferrable way forward for the US, given the eagerness of most political factions to exclude the political other.

    Any fallout the mess will create should be contained and that is the real containment everyone else should worry about.
  150. @AP
    @Sinotibetan

    The best thing to do would be to create a federalized superstate combining A-H with PLC. Basically a homeland for all the more conservative and non-“diverse” European countries. Austria would be a bit of an outlier but it is small enough not cause too much damage and it’s nature would be worth it.

    Map of Islam in Europe:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Islam_in_Europe-2.png

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Svidomyatheart

    Yes and those Muslims can be safely moved back at the snap of a finger if you get people hard enough to do it. Just institute some more stident Jus sanguinis laws. Irrc Algerians kicked out the French (and a year later the French had Nukes and did nothing !!) with that suitcase or coffin thing and nothing happened.

    Just wait until some Muslim will commit a rape or murder or something vile (that will not take long, a few months at most) and let that be the precedent. Sure Muslims could try to go on a chimpout but some Soviet style counterinsurgency or insurgency type laws will suffice.

    Like for example OUN sending the entire families of traitors to the next dimension(yes and the kids too). This policy would immediately get Muslims to behave.

    But I think all those Muslims and Turks are now possibly a permanent feature in Austria/Germany though. They are not going anywhere. And there will be more of them. But I dont speak for West Euros.

    Poland isnt getting out of EU to form its own bloc and it will take much more than that French fiasco that has just happened for Euros to realize anything, it will probably take Europe a decade or more to realize that all Anglos(5 eyes) are not their friends but demons clad in human skin who support everything except Europeans

  151. @mal
    @Dmitry

    Lol, no.

    In the Midwest, it's mostly about rifles and deer heads (hunting season is in October), so you get a lot of that going on. Personally, I don't hunt but I would love to learn how to properly skin a deer and asked to be educated on such matters, but no luck so far from my Midwest friends.

    Deep South US is also all about guns, hunting, and woodworking. Deep South engineers make very good furniture. But heat is harsh in the South, so I don't even want to think about hauling and skinning a dead dear.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Dmitry

    With apologies for virtue signalling on this, but for me the fashions hunting in America, are one of things I find most depressing and dislikable about American culture. So probably I wouldn’t be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable “hunting trip” to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    In America, I’d prefer a mild climate, and it would be wonderful to be able to visit Mexico regularly or conveniently (i.e. San Diego).

    But from my “YouTube education” – the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas – Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    This YouTuber claims Massachusetts will be the best state.

    This YouTuber says Colorado is the best (legal cannabis in Colorado is kind of attractive).

    He has Massachusetts and New Hampshire

    But looking at these photos of these upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    I guess Utah always sounds like the perfect state, if it could relax laws on harmless things like cannabis, networked with excellent public transport, doesn’t include “hunting trips” with colleagues, and would have a highspeed Maglev train that could commute to Palo Alto.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    So probably I wouldn’t be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable “hunting trip” to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).
     
    Hunting is popular in the Midwest but it's not like most Midwesterners hunt. There is nothing wrong with hunting - there are no longer wolves or mountain lions in the Midwest so hunters perform the necessary function of culling the herds, so hunting prevents mass starvation. The hunted deer are usually eaten, so it is not a waste. The life of a wild deer who is eventually shot (a less painful death than being ripped apart by a pack of wolves) isn't much worse than the life of a farm animal and is far better than the life of a factory farmed animal. Are you a vegan?

    But from my “YouTube education” – the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas – Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.
     
    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity and thus have a naive population, the people tend to be politically progressive which can be annoying. Although in a more practical, laid back and orderly way than in crazy activist California, Portland or Seattle. Yankees are understated after all, not show-offs. It is a land of low but charming mountains, pleasant old towns surrounded by lush green forests or small farms, educated population, high incomes (especially in NE), excellent restaurants due to the previous two factors, ski resorts, and beaches. Urban ghettos exist in small pockets but are highly segregated. One can easily drive to New York or Montreal for large city experiences (Boston doesn't count, it does not feel like a large city at all). A drawback is the lack of stuff like discos or the latest music scenes. It's not a place for people under 25 wanting excitement.

    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

    upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.
     
    This exists but it doesn't characterize most of the region or its people. The elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.

    Replies: @Wency, @Dmitry

    , @mal
    @Dmitry

    Snobby and elitist isn't the main problem. I don't know about Utah, never been there, so can't comment.

    But the coasts are coming after your kids. A friend of mine from Detroit works in California now, his kids were fine in the Midwest, after moving to Cali his son is gay and daughter a lesbian. I knew those kids well in the Midwest, they were normal and happy.

    Even my liberal wife was like "that's strange, what are the odds of both kids turning out like that? And his daughter sounds really dark and depressed".

    When even liberal women are starting to do probability calculations, you know its problematic.

    Its a bit of a dilemma as schools in the South suck relative to the coast, but at the same time, hopefully less brainwashing. I can deal with shootouts by the hood rats, but having your school brainwash your son into cutting off his dick is a bit too much. Stay away from the coasts.

    And even if you don't have kids, people in the coasts will cancel you the moment you say something out of current fashion. I'd rather hang out with deer hunting rednecks, they are nicer people.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  152. @Sinotibetan
    Thanks.
    The main (practical) problems with such federal superstate are :-
    1. These countries are stuck with binding treaties within the EU(controlled by predominantly woke and progressive elites). It's no easy task to break free from that superstate, the EU political elites will make sure of that . In the meantime, liberal media and academia will continue to poison the minds of the youths towards liberalism/woke ideals as long as these countries remain within the EU.
    2. If breaking free from the EU superstate becomes a reality, the region remains geopolitically and economically isolated. They will be 'enemies' with "Western Europe" and America. Sea route is out of the question. They need to "befriend" Russia - providing a land route for trade with countries to the east and beyond, as well as "geopolitical" protection from the spurned woke collective West(which have soft power and nuclear weapons). Poland, Czech and the Baltic states are all kinda "Russophobic", so that's quite a problem. And I think the ruling elites in Russia are not keen for such confrontation with the West should this new federal superstate becomes geopolitically aligned with them. I think Russia's national interests would be to reunite the "Russosphere" countries like Belarus and Ukraine back to its fold. Russia seems to have accepted that Poland, the Baltic states, Czech and Slovak republics are now aligned with the West.
    3. If the superstate is economically and geopolitically isolated as per point # 2, in no time, no matter how "conservative" and "less diverse" their populations may be, they would be seduced to fall back to the allure of Western wealth,power and prestige in which Russia is no match.
    4. I think such a confederation would at best be a politically loose one. Which country would be the leader of such a confederation? This might be such a serious issue that even a loose confederation might be stillborn.

    Thanks for the map. If the map includes equally difficult to integrate Subsaharan Africans, the situation may seem even more dire. I have visited Paris and Stockholm as a tourist. I was shocked to see how dirty Paris was /(is?). On the way to the Gare du Nord terminus of the London to Paris Eurostar route, I saw garbage strewn here and there, and there were vistas of what seemed like shantytowns. There were many African scammers at tourist spots. It was a very third world country experience and I am from a "third world country"! Generally it felt unsafe. My wife and I visited the Ikea 'headquarters' in Stockholm - gosh that part of the city looked like it was in an Islamic African country.

    Western Europe will be demographically replaced by these more martial people if the status quo continues. I just wonder when that threshold will be breached .

    Replies: @Sinotibetan, @A123, @AP

    Yikes.
    It was supposed to be a comment on AP’s post.

  153. @Sinotibetan
    Thanks.
    The main (practical) problems with such federal superstate are :-
    1. These countries are stuck with binding treaties within the EU(controlled by predominantly woke and progressive elites). It's no easy task to break free from that superstate, the EU political elites will make sure of that . In the meantime, liberal media and academia will continue to poison the minds of the youths towards liberalism/woke ideals as long as these countries remain within the EU.
    2. If breaking free from the EU superstate becomes a reality, the region remains geopolitically and economically isolated. They will be 'enemies' with "Western Europe" and America. Sea route is out of the question. They need to "befriend" Russia - providing a land route for trade with countries to the east and beyond, as well as "geopolitical" protection from the spurned woke collective West(which have soft power and nuclear weapons). Poland, Czech and the Baltic states are all kinda "Russophobic", so that's quite a problem. And I think the ruling elites in Russia are not keen for such confrontation with the West should this new federal superstate becomes geopolitically aligned with them. I think Russia's national interests would be to reunite the "Russosphere" countries like Belarus and Ukraine back to its fold. Russia seems to have accepted that Poland, the Baltic states, Czech and Slovak republics are now aligned with the West.
    3. If the superstate is economically and geopolitically isolated as per point # 2, in no time, no matter how "conservative" and "less diverse" their populations may be, they would be seduced to fall back to the allure of Western wealth,power and prestige in which Russia is no match.
    4. I think such a confederation would at best be a politically loose one. Which country would be the leader of such a confederation? This might be such a serious issue that even a loose confederation might be stillborn.

    Thanks for the map. If the map includes equally difficult to integrate Subsaharan Africans, the situation may seem even more dire. I have visited Paris and Stockholm as a tourist. I was shocked to see how dirty Paris was /(is?). On the way to the Gare du Nord terminus of the London to Paris Eurostar route, I saw garbage strewn here and there, and there were vistas of what seemed like shantytowns. There were many African scammers at tourist spots. It was a very third world country experience and I am from a "third world country"! Generally it felt unsafe. My wife and I visited the Ikea 'headquarters' in Stockholm - gosh that part of the city looked like it was in an Islamic African country.

    Western Europe will be demographically replaced by these more martial people if the status quo continues. I just wonder when that threshold will be breached .

    Replies: @Sinotibetan, @A123, @AP

    There is no need to leave the EU. If enough EU countries decide they want to collectively break Brussels. The top EU “courts” are actually powerless. Let me illustrate:

    If Italy and Greece and Cyprus and Austria decide they are going to clear Euro € currency bypassing Berlin/ECB/Frankfurt aggression…. What is the response? Fines do not work when the power you are trying to fine in fiat currency generates fiat currency to pay the fine.

    What happens when The Dark Heart of Europe tries to withhold budget? Again the sovereign nations will simply print sufficient € siverign currency to clear through sovereign national banks outside of the reach of the Berlin/ECB/Frankfurt.

    In most poetic form, victims of German financial aggression like Greece & Italy, will celebrate € Liberation Day by printing lots of €1 and €5 bills. Pushing bundles them around in Merkelbarrows (wheelbarrows with Merkel’s picture on the bottom). Demonstrating helicopter money is real by literally floating bills out of military helicopters down on to celebrating crowds. Many other PR stunts are possible. Use your imagination.

    The problem with Germany’s position is they are desperate for export markets, while their target victim countries do not need Germany. Wholesale nationalisation of entire industries with German masters getting ZERO is achievable. The ideal outcome would be forcing Germany to flee a EU that they can no longer dominate.

    And, it can all happen without a single shot being fired. A truly bloodless victory for Christian Populism.

    PEACE 😇

  154. @Sinotibetan
    @A123

    Just some general response:-
    1.Generally I am agnostic to political systems. I don't agree with any one system that fits for all countries/cultures and I don't think anyone can conclude with absolute certainty that "uniparty democracy" is a clear road to failure. Previous superpowers in ancient times were mostly /tended to be authoritarian monarchies which lasted centuries , not multiparty democracies. Even Western European colonial powers during their zenith were hardly "liberal democracies" or truly multiparty democracies. Multiparty democracy associated with a successful great superpower is a historically recent phenomenon, in my opinion. The Chinese were "superpower"/"great power" during Han, Tang and Ming dynasties which were clearly authoritarian , monarchial states. I am not saying absolute monarchy is the preferred system. I am saying it's not possible to conflate multiparty democracy or liberal democracy with a geopolitically and economically successful nation-state or power. All rich and powerful 'liberal democracies' had a headstart with their less than praiseworthy practices of their ruling elites during colonial times + genuine scientific and technological innovations that bloomed at least 18th Century onwards. Modern Western political systems evolved to their present forms from those times . Hence , simple equation-like liberal democracy = national success is simply error. This is the error of those youth protestors in Arab Spring, the colour revolutions in former Soviet bloc countries, and now those protestors in Hong Kong or the pro independence Taiwan Govt. Too much idealism, not enough hard ,cold realism.

    2. I can agree that Xi concentrating his powers and removing term limits is an unhealthy development. However, the statement that it will lead to a USSR-like gerontocracy and political instability is not a given. Present day China is not USSR and not even Mao era China. The CPC elites, including Xi, I am sure, have studied regarding the collapse of USSR intently. They had a precedent and a case to study upon, which the USSR ruling elites did not.

    3. Pro-SJW /leftoid "human detritus" are here to stay in America and seem to be growing in number. I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical. To be honest, I think America is unsalvageable from this leftoid 'curse' , as is Western Europe/EU. Leftoid "values"are dogmas of the new Western "culture".

    4. As for CPC elites, well their behaviour are like all ruling elites! Like AS if the European, Japanese and American elites NEVER resort to unfair dealings for self-interests! Not justifying the CPC elites , just saying this is of course a grey area where there are no saints , only sinners.

    5. As for MAGA, the US only became a great power and hegemon after the 2 world wars , and lone superpower after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Before that , the US was a second rate power in the West during those colonial times. So, perhaps it's good to know what the definition of a "great" America is or really should be. Because , globalism is the result of America's projection of power, its "greatness". The Trumpist MAGA plan would be, in the eyes of globalists(who mostly reside in the West) and Utopian SJW human detritus, a plan to make America 'not great' again, a reversion to a "nationalistic" America, an America that is no different from other 'normal' nations that put national self-interest first, that actually removes "American exceptionalism" as lone superpower and sociocultural hegemon.

    6. At least a point of convergence that's emerging in America for both MAGA folks and leftoid human detritus is their common hatred for CPC and China . One common enemy to unite them all.

    Replies: @A123, @Yellowface Anon

    3. Pro-SJW /leftoid “human detritus” are here to stay in America and seem to be growing in number. I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical. To be honest, I think America is unsalvageable from this leftoid ‘curse’ , as is Western Europe/EU. Leftoid “values”are dogmas of the new Western “culture”.

    Culture swings like a pendulum. Thanks to fiascos like Minneapolis and Portland it is now swinging away from SJW extremism and picking up speed along the way. No one, not even DNC loyalists, wants their employer burned down or their home vandalized by looters. Remember, these are major DNC contributors:

     

     

    Leftoid human detritus needs transfer payments to stay. It is a virtuous cycle:

    — They more disenfranchised they become, the less money they have.
    — The less money they have, the easier it further diminish their franchise.

    Anyone who breaks out of the Leftoid trap and experiences grinding taxes that subside Leftoids will immediately become MAGA converts. Those that cannot survive without graft will travel elsewhere (e.g. Canada, Mexico, etc).
    ___

    Stripping citizenship for Biden Voting was intended to be taken humorously rather than literally. It is impractical. Stripping the vote from all registered Democrats is practical, but not necessarily an effective solution. Due to local election rules, those in non-competitive districts often register independent/NPA or in the other party so they can access primaries.

    There is no single prepackaged solution for creating eforceable “strong qualifications”. Any practical steps will require negotiation and a certain amount of compromise.

    Imposition of qualifications will not happen all at once. The first test will probably be claiming EITC. If you are working age & on the dole you cannot vote. This would then be wedged up to anyone working age who consumes more in government expenditures than income taxes paid. Right or wrong, everyone shares in Medicare and Social Security, so these programs cannot be scored for disenfranchisement without creating social unrest.

    In many ways, the exact provisions are not that important. Regardless of mechanism, keeping the bottom 1/4 to 1/3 away from the ballot box greatly improves the odds for desirable outcomes.

    PEACE 😇

  155. @Sinotibetan
    @Yellowface Anon

    I couldn't resist the temptation to comment in this blog. 🙁
    Read your exchanges with A123 as well as Insomniac Resurrected with fascination. I generally agree with Insomniac Resurrected.

    The SJW/leftoids/woke/progressives/liberals or whatever we may call them are led by Western "whites"(ie of "European extraction"). In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/"mutant" white supremacists. They are a mirror image , and have similar mindset ,to that of neo-nazis or traditional white supremacist only the idealized supreme race is not some Nordic Teutonic Blond but a mongrel of mostly negroid race plus other ethnicities combined. It has a religious fervour to it, some sort akin to a pseudo-Christian cult, with a desire for a one world idealized utopia inhabited by one 'race' only, the recreated human "race" being the true second Adam(just as Christ was a mythic one). Their values and their evangelistic zeal can all be derived (in perverted forms)from Christianity, and perhaps even Protestant Christendom at that. America , being a land of immigrants of almost every ethnic group in the world, is perfect for this social experiment , and being lone superpower and sole cultural hegemon, best hijacked for this agenda to transform the world to their idealized utopia. In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these - they view themselves as the supreme "race" which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models. They just don't agree which "race" is the idealized one. Hence their great quarrel. But the attitude and mindset is the same. They do not tolerate any other different models or views because it would be anathema to their concept of them being the most innovative , coming up with the best ideals. It is impossible to reason with these fanatics because there is something akin to religion in their mindset.

    Hence a rival like a more powerful or assertive China is unacceptable. It's the same attitude that they have towards Russia.

    As for the corporatocrats in the West, SJW ideals suit their mindset. They are rootless people , with no loyalty to any nation or tribe except to themselves and their cult of mammon worship. They may not belong to SJW but these fanatics suit their agenda.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Coconuts

    In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/”mutant” white supremacists.

    I think a lot of what you write about the Woke is true, I would add some more detail to a genealogy of the movement:

    It starts in Christendom, (the religio-political system of Western and Central Europe as much as the modern versions of the religion), followed by the French and Anglo Enlightenment, then, this period is especially important, the German Enlightenment; Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Marx. Later Freud, Lenin, Trotsky, the Frankfurt School and Western Marxism, Post-Colonialism, Ethno-Communism and Third Worldism. This re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo Protestant progressivism. Feminism is another new and important element which AFAIK is probably a movement without clear historical precedent or ancestry before the 18th century.

    It is hard to argue against because it is so deeply layered and like a convoluted journey through the European radical left tradition since the Enlightenment. Somehow they have managed to fuse that with neo-liberal corporate power. It seems like this happens via the idea of the ‘dictatorship of the oppressed heralding in the new liberationist utopia’. The Woke corporate people and influencers are like the new Party, the vanguard and leaders of the revolutionary oppressed classes (‘ghetto populations’, non-white women, LGBTQIA, SJW students and so on). A large number of them are white but definitely not all, and Wokeness can be very interesting to Western blacks and some members of other non-white groups living in the West.

    This is true:

    In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these – they view themselves as the supreme “race” which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models.

    To the Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview or actual reactionary, deviationist, ‘bureaucratic’ and ‘Fascistic’ regimes.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Coconuts

    As far as modern White supremacists and racialists like the Nazis go they are in some way a mirror of the Woke. For example, where the Woke believe that everything is about oppression and marginalisation and the redemptive other, Nazis would tend to believe that what SJWs call the oppression and marginalisation of certain groups is an inevitable and natural form of justice, something that cannot be avoided for healthy peoples. Since in nature 'all life is struggle' it is important to make sure your group survives and comes out on the dominant side. Tribalistic and don't believe that any neutral viewpoint which claims to stand outside ethnos and ethnically based friend/enemy distinctions is possible. Conflict and threat will always be a permanent state of affairs, but elevates and perfects a people when they master it.

    Obviously the woke won't get on with them. The further development of this worldview was constrained a lot after 1945.

    , @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo
     
    It's not really emerging though, but rather "ersatz" substitution by owners of the capital good - that's instead of real equality via important categories (jobs, income, house size, etc), we provide some "ersatz" equality crusade on relatively unimportant things like LGBT minorities, or adding some melanin (Obama) to the president.

    It reminds of the "reform to preserve" compromise strategy of the 19th century elite in the United Kingdom. In this time, the Kingdom's ruling classes have progressively extended the voting rights to lower and lower classes, not motivated exactly by compassion - but rather as a strategy to "declaw" the revolutionary threats that the extreme economic inequality of the Kingdom's society should have made increasingly likely to be actualized.

    You give to working class people a meaningless ability to vote - you don't give them your house in Belgravia.

    African American voters were provided with some symbolic (i.e. meaningless) pseudorepresentation by Obama, they were not provided free multimillion dollar houses in Beacon Hill of Boston.

    (by the way how is it no-one replied to my comment about the best and worst states of the USA? That was a perfection conversationbait).

    -

    The most extreme example of this seemed to be in Brazil. That is, in Brazil there is all kinds of ideology about how they are antiracist, and about the representation of Afro-Brazilian people in their multinational football team.

    However, this is some of the weakest "ersatz" equality. Instead of giving the people in favela, your million dollar house in a gated community - you give them football.

    At the same time - when you look at the elite areas of Brazil, it is all looking like brown pure latino people, who could from their appearance be descended from the original Portuguese ruling class. Neither black Afro-Brazilians, nor even white German-Brazilians and yellow Japanese-Brazilian, seemed to our eyes to be so very proportionally represented. Almost everyone in the elite areas of the multiracial Brazil might look like a "co-incidentally" Portuguese appearance.

    Unlike in the football team which is shown around by the Brazilian elite all over the world as a displaycase of Brazilian multinational unity.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swfmR6wCBvc


    Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview
     
    China's in the situation of the proletariat of the world (India is still something lumpenproletariat), while snobbery against Russia - it's viewed like a lower middle class.

    Although in reality, "rich people in the world have united" - it's like an inversion of Marx.

    I even experienced this atmosphere of "rich people of the world unite", as (although being a lower class person) I had a few luxury experiences studying abroad as a teenager and later still. Nowhere can national boundaries dissolve more easily, than among people who are experiencing a horn of abundance.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  156. @Coconuts
    @Sinotibetan


    In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/”mutant” white supremacists.
     
    I think a lot of what you write about the Woke is true, I would add some more detail to a genealogy of the movement:

    It starts in Christendom, (the religio-political system of Western and Central Europe as much as the modern versions of the religion), followed by the French and Anglo Enlightenment, then, this period is especially important, the German Enlightenment; Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Marx. Later Freud, Lenin, Trotsky, the Frankfurt School and Western Marxism, Post-Colonialism, Ethno-Communism and Third Worldism. This re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo Protestant progressivism. Feminism is another new and important element which AFAIK is probably a movement without clear historical precedent or ancestry before the 18th century.

    It is hard to argue against because it is so deeply layered and like a convoluted journey through the European radical left tradition since the Enlightenment. Somehow they have managed to fuse that with neo-liberal corporate power. It seems like this happens via the idea of the 'dictatorship of the oppressed heralding in the new liberationist utopia'. The Woke corporate people and influencers are like the new Party, the vanguard and leaders of the revolutionary oppressed classes ('ghetto populations', non-white women, LGBTQIA, SJW students and so on). A large number of them are white but definitely not all, and Wokeness can be very interesting to Western blacks and some members of other non-white groups living in the West.

    This is true:


    In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these – they view themselves as the supreme “race” which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models.
     
    To the Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview or actual reactionary, deviationist, 'bureaucratic' and 'Fascistic' regimes.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Dmitry

    As far as modern White supremacists and racialists like the Nazis go they are in some way a mirror of the Woke. For example, where the Woke believe that everything is about oppression and marginalisation and the redemptive other, Nazis would tend to believe that what SJWs call the oppression and marginalisation of certain groups is an inevitable and natural form of justice, something that cannot be avoided for healthy peoples. Since in nature ‘all life is struggle’ it is important to make sure your group survives and comes out on the dominant side. Tribalistic and don’t believe that any neutral viewpoint which claims to stand outside ethnos and ethnically based friend/enemy distinctions is possible. Conflict and threat will always be a permanent state of affairs, but elevates and perfects a people when they master it.

    Obviously the woke won’t get on with them. The further development of this worldview was constrained a lot after 1945.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  157. The J6 Agitprop event:

    • Fails to Illegally set-up any Trump supporters
    • Blows one undercover officer’s cover

    PEACE 😇

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  158. Oh no, Linh Dinh, has announced that he’s leaving the UNZ Review. The good news, is that he left an address to his new website. In addition to being quite an excellent writer, he offered viewpoints from the street level that are hard to find anywhere else. Reasons given included no longer wanting to pander to an old white man contingency that seems to predominate at UNZ, and also the incessant barrage of filthy and mindless comments that seem to be getting worse and worse. There’s some commentary strewn throughout that laments the fact that Linh was never able to have any control over the comments’ section of his blog, like our own impresario here, Anatoly Karlin and also Steve Sailor. I don’t understand why, for it seems like a small bonus to afford such a big time writer? Well, I managed to live through the exit of Gustavo Arellano, and certainly will of Linh Dinh, but will miss being able to access his blogsite here, along with other good ones.

    I still miss the comments here of Bashibazuk (Anon4) who didn’t really preface his abrupt departure with any meaningful reasoning? I was going back the other day and rereading some of his commentary, he was a class act and probably my favorite Russophile here, even though he was taken to task for some of his “unorthodox” views. I wish that he’d at least make a brief appearance occasionally and let us know how he’s doing?

    For Bashibazuk, from one old but happy White Dude! (not bad for 30 years after they posted this super hit).

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Mr. Hack

    Dinh's swan song on fat black whores in Capetown is quite an epic troll. It is not easy to try and build any lasting rapport with a population with high ratio autistics.

    Philip K. Dick might have said it best. If you think this universe is bad you should see some of the others.

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    Bashibuzuk left because of AK seeing a sci-fi scenario in what he sincerely believes to be the future of a transhumanist-Amish divide, as I see it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  159. @Mr. Hack
    Oh no, Linh Dinh, has announced that he's leaving the UNZ Review. The good news, is that he left an address to his new website. In addition to being quite an excellent writer, he offered viewpoints from the street level that are hard to find anywhere else. Reasons given included no longer wanting to pander to an old white man contingency that seems to predominate at UNZ, and also the incessant barrage of filthy and mindless comments that seem to be getting worse and worse. There's some commentary strewn throughout that laments the fact that Linh was never able to have any control over the comments' section of his blog, like our own impresario here, Anatoly Karlin and also Steve Sailor. I don't understand why, for it seems like a small bonus to afford such a big time writer? Well, I managed to live through the exit of Gustavo Arellano, and certainly will of Linh Dinh, but will miss being able to access his blogsite here, along with other good ones.

    I still miss the comments here of Bashibazuk (Anon4) who didn't really preface his abrupt departure with any meaningful reasoning? I was going back the other day and rereading some of his commentary, he was a class act and probably my favorite Russophile here, even though he was taken to task for some of his "unorthodox" views. I wish that he'd at least make a brief appearance occasionally and let us know how he's doing?

    https://youtu.be/0e2CuyIG7x8

    For Bashibazuk, from one old but happy White Dude! (not bad for 30 years after they posted this super hit).

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Yellowface Anon

    Dinh’s swan song on fat black whores in Capetown is quite an epic troll. It is not easy to try and build any lasting rapport with a population with high ratio autistics.

    Philip K. Dick might have said it best. If you think this universe is bad you should see some of the others.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack, mal
  160. @Sinotibetan
    Thanks.
    The main (practical) problems with such federal superstate are :-
    1. These countries are stuck with binding treaties within the EU(controlled by predominantly woke and progressive elites). It's no easy task to break free from that superstate, the EU political elites will make sure of that . In the meantime, liberal media and academia will continue to poison the minds of the youths towards liberalism/woke ideals as long as these countries remain within the EU.
    2. If breaking free from the EU superstate becomes a reality, the region remains geopolitically and economically isolated. They will be 'enemies' with "Western Europe" and America. Sea route is out of the question. They need to "befriend" Russia - providing a land route for trade with countries to the east and beyond, as well as "geopolitical" protection from the spurned woke collective West(which have soft power and nuclear weapons). Poland, Czech and the Baltic states are all kinda "Russophobic", so that's quite a problem. And I think the ruling elites in Russia are not keen for such confrontation with the West should this new federal superstate becomes geopolitically aligned with them. I think Russia's national interests would be to reunite the "Russosphere" countries like Belarus and Ukraine back to its fold. Russia seems to have accepted that Poland, the Baltic states, Czech and Slovak republics are now aligned with the West.
    3. If the superstate is economically and geopolitically isolated as per point # 2, in no time, no matter how "conservative" and "less diverse" their populations may be, they would be seduced to fall back to the allure of Western wealth,power and prestige in which Russia is no match.
    4. I think such a confederation would at best be a politically loose one. Which country would be the leader of such a confederation? This might be such a serious issue that even a loose confederation might be stillborn.

    Thanks for the map. If the map includes equally difficult to integrate Subsaharan Africans, the situation may seem even more dire. I have visited Paris and Stockholm as a tourist. I was shocked to see how dirty Paris was /(is?). On the way to the Gare du Nord terminus of the London to Paris Eurostar route, I saw garbage strewn here and there, and there were vistas of what seemed like shantytowns. There were many African scammers at tourist spots. It was a very third world country experience and I am from a "third world country"! Generally it felt unsafe. My wife and I visited the Ikea 'headquarters' in Stockholm - gosh that part of the city looked like it was in an Islamic African country.

    Western Europe will be demographically replaced by these more martial people if the status quo continues. I just wonder when that threshold will be breached .

    Replies: @Sinotibetan, @A123, @AP

    In the meantime, liberal media and academia will continue to poison the minds of the youths towards liberalism/woke ideals as long as these countries remain within the EU.

    Yes and no. People are becoming more compassionate towards homosexuals but on other issues such ass mass immigration of non-Europeans they are not necessarily becoming woke in central/eastern Europe. Even in places such as Italy, the youth are more right wing than are the older generations.

    If breaking free from the EU superstate becomes a reality, the region remains geopolitically and economically isolated. They will be ‘enemies’ with “Western Europe” and America.

    Western Europe and America are not together a monolith. They may have worse relations with western Europe, but good relations with America.

    Sea route is out of the question.

    Gdansk and Odessa are major ports. Even if there is a negative rivalry with the western EU there would not be a blockade – it wouldn’t be a war.

    If the superstate is economically and geopolitically isolated as per point # 2, in no time, no matter how “conservative” and “less diverse” their populations may be, they would be seduced to fall back to the allure of Western wealth,power and prestige in which Russia is no match.

    If this were inevitable it would already have happened. It hasn’t. People in eastern and central Europe are quite aware of the mess that Paris and London have become and don’t want their homelands to develop in this way.

    I think such a confederation would at best be a politically loose one. Which country would be the leader of such a confederation? This might be such a serious issue that even a loose confederation might be stillborn.

    Sure, this would be a potential problem. A solution might be a rotating executive, as in the EU.

  161. @A123
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Cyprus + Greece + Italy is now locked in as a Southern Christian Energy alliance. The discovery of the huge Calypso field (2018) makes the project economically inevitable, supports common Christian culture, and serves national security as a counter to the Turkish aggression.

    AP + Italy / Visegrád 4 + Austria + Italy is an alliance that I have been expecting for some time. It is taking longer than I hoped for Austria and Italy to become properly EUskeptic. Fortunately, the trajectory seems almost unstoppable.
    ___

    If you want an unlikely "dream" scenario:

    RomaStream / Russia + Romania + Hungary (+Serbia?). Plus and Minus:
    - - Romania & Russia is very counter intuitive
    - There is no English language map or project plan for it
    + I keep hearing about it despite the lack of a project plan
    + + It would let some very powerful people publicly humiliate Bulgaria
    + + + Romania has severe budget problems (1) that could be alleviated by transit fees

    My guess is that this falls in the category of wishful thinking, but it has at least superficial credibility. Has there been any non-English coverage?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.fitchratings.com/research/sovereigns/romanias-political-crisis-presents-risks-to-deficit-reduction-07-09-2021

     
    https://www.dw.com/image/43227418_304.png

    Replies: @AP

    AP + Italy / Visegrád 4 + Austria + Italy is an alliance that I have been expecting for some time. It is taking longer than I hoped for Austria and Italy to become properly EUskeptic. Fortunately, the trajectory seems almost unstoppable.

    Great point. Italy is a rather conservative place also and would be a good fit. It would be linked to V4/Baltics/Ukraine through Austria and Slovenia. Ultimately, of course, it would be great if the East redeemed and saved all the West. Italy might be the first one.

  162. @Coconuts
    @Sinotibetan


    In fact , I think these white leaders are themselves perverted/”mutant” white supremacists.
     
    I think a lot of what you write about the Woke is true, I would add some more detail to a genealogy of the movement:

    It starts in Christendom, (the religio-political system of Western and Central Europe as much as the modern versions of the religion), followed by the French and Anglo Enlightenment, then, this period is especially important, the German Enlightenment; Kant, Hegel, Fichte, Marx. Later Freud, Lenin, Trotsky, the Frankfurt School and Western Marxism, Post-Colonialism, Ethno-Communism and Third Worldism. This re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo Protestant progressivism. Feminism is another new and important element which AFAIK is probably a movement without clear historical precedent or ancestry before the 18th century.

    It is hard to argue against because it is so deeply layered and like a convoluted journey through the European radical left tradition since the Enlightenment. Somehow they have managed to fuse that with neo-liberal corporate power. It seems like this happens via the idea of the 'dictatorship of the oppressed heralding in the new liberationist utopia'. The Woke corporate people and influencers are like the new Party, the vanguard and leaders of the revolutionary oppressed classes ('ghetto populations', non-white women, LGBTQIA, SJW students and so on). A large number of them are white but definitely not all, and Wokeness can be very interesting to Western blacks and some members of other non-white groups living in the West.

    This is true:


    In the end both the SJW and the traditional white supremacists share these – they view themselves as the supreme “race” which came up with the best and superior societal, political , economic, ethical/moral and philosophical models.
     
    To the Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview or actual reactionary, deviationist, 'bureaucratic' and 'Fascistic' regimes.

    Replies: @Coconuts, @Dmitry

    re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo

    It’s not really emerging though, but rather “ersatz” substitution by owners of the capital good – that’s instead of real equality via important categories (jobs, income, house size, etc), we provide some “ersatz” equality crusade on relatively unimportant things like LGBT minorities, or adding some melanin (Obama) to the president.

    It reminds of the “reform to preserve” compromise strategy of the 19th century elite in the United Kingdom. In this time, the Kingdom’s ruling classes have progressively extended the voting rights to lower and lower classes, not motivated exactly by compassion – but rather as a strategy to “declaw” the revolutionary threats that the extreme economic inequality of the Kingdom’s society should have made increasingly likely to be actualized.

    You give to working class people a meaningless ability to vote – you don’t give them your house in Belgravia.

    African American voters were provided with some symbolic (i.e. meaningless) pseudorepresentation by Obama, they were not provided free multimillion dollar houses in Beacon Hill of Boston.

    (by the way how is it no-one replied to my comment about the best and worst states of the USA? That was a perfection conversationbait).

    The most extreme example of this seemed to be in Brazil. That is, in Brazil there is all kinds of ideology about how they are antiracist, and about the representation of Afro-Brazilian people in their multinational football team.

    However, this is some of the weakest “ersatz” equality. Instead of giving the people in favela, your million dollar house in a gated community – you give them football.

    At the same time – when you look at the elite areas of Brazil, it is all looking like brown pure latino people, who could from their appearance be descended from the original Portuguese ruling class. Neither black Afro-Brazilians, nor even white German-Brazilians and yellow Japanese-Brazilian, seemed to our eyes to be so very proportionally represented. Almost everyone in the elite areas of the multiracial Brazil might look like a “co-incidentally” Portuguese appearance.

    Unlike in the football team which is shown around by the Brazilian elite all over the world as a displaycase of Brazilian multinational unity.

    Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview

    China’s in the situation of the proletariat of the world (India is still something lumpenproletariat), while snobbery against Russia – it’s viewed like a lower middle class.

    Although in reality, “rich people in the world have united” – it’s like an inversion of Marx.

    I even experienced this atmosphere of “rich people of the world unite”, as (although being a lower class person) I had a few luxury experiences studying abroad as a teenager and later still. Nowhere can national boundaries dissolve more easily, than among people who are experiencing a horn of abundance.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry


    *symbolic equality snip*
     
    If African Americans want their own base of political power, they should have self-determination, like Black-run local communities and even Black nationalism. They will be better served by turning the backs from those Whiteys teaching them what to expect.

    who could from their appearance be descended from the original Portuguese ruling class.
     
    It's the case all over Latin America unless you have an absolute Amerindian majority.

    China’s in the situation of the proletariat of the world (India is still something lumpenproletariat), while snobbery against Russia – it’s viewed like a lower middle class.
     
    China is a mix of true proletariat, lower middle class, and self-serving cadres all LARPing to strive for a socialist future. Similarly for Russia (much of the developmental gap has been closed by China), but ideologically adrift without Putin.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  163. @Dmitry
    @mal

    With apologies for virtue signalling on this, but for me the fashions hunting in America, are one of things I find most depressing and dislikable about American culture. So probably I wouldn't be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable "hunting trip" to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    In America, I'd prefer a mild climate, and it would be wonderful to be able to visit Mexico regularly or conveniently (i.e. San Diego).

    But from my "YouTube education" - the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas - Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    This YouTuber claims Massachusetts will be the best state.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy-kefiaLo

    This YouTuber says Colorado is the best (legal cannabis in Colorado is kind of attractive).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEp0xsc6RI

    He has Massachusetts and New Hampshire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqgyIdvbD8


    -

    But looking at these photos of these upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    https://i.imgur.com/6wZfZuo.jpg

    -

    I guess Utah always sounds like the perfect state, if it could relax laws on harmless things like cannabis, networked with excellent public transport, doesn't include "hunting trips" with colleagues, and would have a highspeed Maglev train that could commute to Palo Alto.

    Replies: @AP, @mal

    So probably I wouldn’t be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable “hunting trip” to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    Hunting is popular in the Midwest but it’s not like most Midwesterners hunt. There is nothing wrong with hunting – there are no longer wolves or mountain lions in the Midwest so hunters perform the necessary function of culling the herds, so hunting prevents mass starvation. The hunted deer are usually eaten, so it is not a waste. The life of a wild deer who is eventually shot (a less painful death than being ripped apart by a pack of wolves) isn’t much worse than the life of a farm animal and is far better than the life of a factory farmed animal. Are you a vegan?

    But from my “YouTube education” – the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas – Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity and thus have a naive population, the people tend to be politically progressive which can be annoying. Although in a more practical, laid back and orderly way than in crazy activist California, Portland or Seattle. Yankees are understated after all, not show-offs. It is a land of low but charming mountains, pleasant old towns surrounded by lush green forests or small farms, educated population, high incomes (especially in NE), excellent restaurants due to the previous two factors, ski resorts, and beaches. Urban ghettos exist in small pockets but are highly segregated. One can easily drive to New York or Montreal for large city experiences (Boston doesn’t count, it does not feel like a large city at all). A drawback is the lack of stuff like discos or the latest music scenes. It’s not a place for people under 25 wanting excitement.

    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

    upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    This exists but it doesn’t characterize most of the region or its people. The elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @AP


    fashionable “hunting trip”
     
    Yeah, this is one of those lines that's just comical to me, as if that was how hunting culture played out. Hunting is something you need to pursue and make sacrifices in order to happen -- you're never going to get peer-pressured into hunting, LOL.

    But also that anti-hunting mentality is just gross to me. I think hunting is important for placing nature in context. Men who don't hunt tend to either worship nature or regard it with disdain or indifference, I notice.

    I live in the Deep South, in a Trump +30 county (with blacks making up a majority of the Dem vote). The "fashionable" people here do the same things that fashionable people on Manhattan do -- this is not a coincidence. We have gay churches and a gay pride parade.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .

    But looking at Baltimore - it is strangely beautiful work of architecture conservation, because of a lack of new buildings, and being not touched by globalization or chain shops.

    Every building is unchanged from a century in the past. But the government has stopped to invest in retiling the streets.

    Of course it's population has evidently lost its hope. Shops there are only selling alcohol that the people self-medicate with, while the illegal drugs are sold by unofficial vendors. It's not just poverty, but the population is too psychologically broken (and drug addicted) to even repaint or clean their houses.

    Baltimore is from 24:30. (at Philadelphia in 36:00 the house designs remind me of Ireland, but with of course even subrussia maintenance and income levels).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1zi2QwpOlc


    nothing wrong with hunting
     
    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.

    But writing something like is to imply that yourself are more spiritual than the hunters, and you become guilty of doing the most unpleasant kind of virtue signalling (people who claim to be spiritually superior to another person).

    Needless to say I wouldn't be very clubbable in those areas of Midwest or Deep South where your colleagues might be saying "let's shoot a bear this weekend".


    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity
     
    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.

    But the elite lifestyle is indeed sounding like the stereotypes.


    elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.
     
    "Woke" is a culture shock at first, but you might find you can habituate to it with surprising rapidity and ease.

    I was in a graduate programme in Western Europe when there were those very large terrorist attacks in Paris.

    This is the only time I really felt some culture shock from the woke politics, because most of my colleagues commented the same things "that's so terrible, those poor people - but really Europe is the guilty one, because of colonialism, etc."

    For the first second I felt like arguing, but after you heard the second or third person person saying this you know to be quiet - this is the virtue signalling culture of everyone around you, and the woke views feel local customs here, like bowing is for Japanese people.

    On the other hand, the problem of going in a closed elitist culture, is that it is a small club, and you and me would never be invited (unless were in some Philips Exeter Academy), and even if we had conformed perfectly to local customs.


    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

     

    This is a sign of some civilization in the legal sphere, other things equal.

    America (like Russia) has certain aspects of being a police state. It's more comfortable to be in a place where people are at least not being imprisoned for narcotics which should be a personal choice, and are anyway less damaging in many ways than alcohol.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @AP

  164. @Sinotibetan
    @A123

    Just some general response:-
    1.Generally I am agnostic to political systems. I don't agree with any one system that fits for all countries/cultures and I don't think anyone can conclude with absolute certainty that "uniparty democracy" is a clear road to failure. Previous superpowers in ancient times were mostly /tended to be authoritarian monarchies which lasted centuries , not multiparty democracies. Even Western European colonial powers during their zenith were hardly "liberal democracies" or truly multiparty democracies. Multiparty democracy associated with a successful great superpower is a historically recent phenomenon, in my opinion. The Chinese were "superpower"/"great power" during Han, Tang and Ming dynasties which were clearly authoritarian , monarchial states. I am not saying absolute monarchy is the preferred system. I am saying it's not possible to conflate multiparty democracy or liberal democracy with a geopolitically and economically successful nation-state or power. All rich and powerful 'liberal democracies' had a headstart with their less than praiseworthy practices of their ruling elites during colonial times + genuine scientific and technological innovations that bloomed at least 18th Century onwards. Modern Western political systems evolved to their present forms from those times . Hence , simple equation-like liberal democracy = national success is simply error. This is the error of those youth protestors in Arab Spring, the colour revolutions in former Soviet bloc countries, and now those protestors in Hong Kong or the pro independence Taiwan Govt. Too much idealism, not enough hard ,cold realism.

    2. I can agree that Xi concentrating his powers and removing term limits is an unhealthy development. However, the statement that it will lead to a USSR-like gerontocracy and political instability is not a given. Present day China is not USSR and not even Mao era China. The CPC elites, including Xi, I am sure, have studied regarding the collapse of USSR intently. They had a precedent and a case to study upon, which the USSR ruling elites did not.

    3. Pro-SJW /leftoid "human detritus" are here to stay in America and seem to be growing in number. I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical. To be honest, I think America is unsalvageable from this leftoid 'curse' , as is Western Europe/EU. Leftoid "values"are dogmas of the new Western "culture".

    4. As for CPC elites, well their behaviour are like all ruling elites! Like AS if the European, Japanese and American elites NEVER resort to unfair dealings for self-interests! Not justifying the CPC elites , just saying this is of course a grey area where there are no saints , only sinners.

    5. As for MAGA, the US only became a great power and hegemon after the 2 world wars , and lone superpower after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Before that , the US was a second rate power in the West during those colonial times. So, perhaps it's good to know what the definition of a "great" America is or really should be. Because , globalism is the result of America's projection of power, its "greatness". The Trumpist MAGA plan would be, in the eyes of globalists(who mostly reside in the West) and Utopian SJW human detritus, a plan to make America 'not great' again, a reversion to a "nationalistic" America, an America that is no different from other 'normal' nations that put national self-interest first, that actually removes "American exceptionalism" as lone superpower and sociocultural hegemon.

    6. At least a point of convergence that's emerging in America for both MAGA folks and leftoid human detritus is their common hatred for CPC and China . One common enemy to unite them all.

    Replies: @A123, @Yellowface Anon

    I doubt the idea of stripping the citizenship of those who voted for Biden is practical.

    “Progressives” “want to send” antivaxxers and hardcore Trumpists to quarantine and reeducation camps, hardcore Trumpists “want to send” Democrats and RINOs to refugee camps.

    Some group or the other will suffer if these fail to stay on the rhetorical level. Looks like a 2-country partition or Balkanization is already the most preferrable way forward for the US, given the eagerness of most political factions to exclude the political other.

    Any fallout the mess will create should be contained and that is the real containment everyone else should worry about.

  165. @Mr. Hack
    Oh no, Linh Dinh, has announced that he's leaving the UNZ Review. The good news, is that he left an address to his new website. In addition to being quite an excellent writer, he offered viewpoints from the street level that are hard to find anywhere else. Reasons given included no longer wanting to pander to an old white man contingency that seems to predominate at UNZ, and also the incessant barrage of filthy and mindless comments that seem to be getting worse and worse. There's some commentary strewn throughout that laments the fact that Linh was never able to have any control over the comments' section of his blog, like our own impresario here, Anatoly Karlin and also Steve Sailor. I don't understand why, for it seems like a small bonus to afford such a big time writer? Well, I managed to live through the exit of Gustavo Arellano, and certainly will of Linh Dinh, but will miss being able to access his blogsite here, along with other good ones.

    I still miss the comments here of Bashibazuk (Anon4) who didn't really preface his abrupt departure with any meaningful reasoning? I was going back the other day and rereading some of his commentary, he was a class act and probably my favorite Russophile here, even though he was taken to task for some of his "unorthodox" views. I wish that he'd at least make a brief appearance occasionally and let us know how he's doing?

    https://youtu.be/0e2CuyIG7x8

    For Bashibazuk, from one old but happy White Dude! (not bad for 30 years after they posted this super hit).

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @Yellowface Anon

    Bashibuzuk left because of AK seeing a sci-fi scenario in what he sincerely believes to be the future of a transhumanist-Amish divide, as I see it.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    I think that I had a front row seat at most of the Karlin/Bashibazuk skirmishes - nothing too bloody...
    I enjoyed their little trysts and viewed it all as just two heavy duty intellects splitting a few atoms of contention. I don't see it at all as Karlin somehow running him off. Bashi was good at bringing out some of Karlin's thought processes, that perhaps he (Karlin) wasn't able to bring out on his own, and for this he should be congratulated. Bashi was generally liked here and Karlin is too savvy to let a good commenter go. There's something else going on here...perhaps his wife was nagging him to spend more time doing house chores, and less time wasting away on the internet? Wifes, as I remember, can easily try and control the agenda. :-)

  166. @Dmitry
    @mal

    With apologies for virtue signalling on this, but for me the fashions hunting in America, are one of things I find most depressing and dislikable about American culture. So probably I wouldn't be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable "hunting trip" to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).

    In America, I'd prefer a mild climate, and it would be wonderful to be able to visit Mexico regularly or conveniently (i.e. San Diego).

    But from my "YouTube education" - the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas - Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.

    This YouTuber claims Massachusetts will be the best state.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXy-kefiaLo

    This YouTuber says Colorado is the best (legal cannabis in Colorado is kind of attractive).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqEp0xsc6RI

    He has Massachusetts and New Hampshire

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgqgyIdvbD8


    -

    But looking at these photos of these upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.

    https://i.imgur.com/6wZfZuo.jpg

    -

    I guess Utah always sounds like the perfect state, if it could relax laws on harmless things like cannabis, networked with excellent public transport, doesn't include "hunting trips" with colleagues, and would have a highspeed Maglev train that could commute to Palo Alto.

    Replies: @AP, @mal

    Snobby and elitist isn’t the main problem. I don’t know about Utah, never been there, so can’t comment.

    But the coasts are coming after your kids. A friend of mine from Detroit works in California now, his kids were fine in the Midwest, after moving to Cali his son is gay and daughter a lesbian. I knew those kids well in the Midwest, they were normal and happy.

    Even my liberal wife was like “that’s strange, what are the odds of both kids turning out like that? And his daughter sounds really dark and depressed”.

    When even liberal women are starting to do probability calculations, you know its problematic.

    Its a bit of a dilemma as schools in the South suck relative to the coast, but at the same time, hopefully less brainwashing. I can deal with shootouts by the hood rats, but having your school brainwash your son into cutting off his dick is a bit too much. Stay away from the coasts.

    And even if you don’t have kids, people in the coasts will cancel you the moment you say something out of current fashion. I’d rather hang out with deer hunting rednecks, they are nicer people.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    This says a lot on how genetic and how social "identity-building" is.

    Just use the Aristotelian causes schema to see it: genetics and environment are material causes, "social construction" is the efficient cause, identities becoming formal cause.

    Replies: @mal

  167. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    re-emerges within the context of US Neo-liberalism and middle class Anglo
     
    It's not really emerging though, but rather "ersatz" substitution by owners of the capital good - that's instead of real equality via important categories (jobs, income, house size, etc), we provide some "ersatz" equality crusade on relatively unimportant things like LGBT minorities, or adding some melanin (Obama) to the president.

    It reminds of the "reform to preserve" compromise strategy of the 19th century elite in the United Kingdom. In this time, the Kingdom's ruling classes have progressively extended the voting rights to lower and lower classes, not motivated exactly by compassion - but rather as a strategy to "declaw" the revolutionary threats that the extreme economic inequality of the Kingdom's society should have made increasingly likely to be actualized.

    You give to working class people a meaningless ability to vote - you don't give them your house in Belgravia.

    African American voters were provided with some symbolic (i.e. meaningless) pseudorepresentation by Obama, they were not provided free multimillion dollar houses in Beacon Hill of Boston.

    (by the way how is it no-one replied to my comment about the best and worst states of the USA? That was a perfection conversationbait).

    -

    The most extreme example of this seemed to be in Brazil. That is, in Brazil there is all kinds of ideology about how they are antiracist, and about the representation of Afro-Brazilian people in their multinational football team.

    However, this is some of the weakest "ersatz" equality. Instead of giving the people in favela, your million dollar house in a gated community - you give them football.

    At the same time - when you look at the elite areas of Brazil, it is all looking like brown pure latino people, who could from their appearance be descended from the original Portuguese ruling class. Neither black Afro-Brazilians, nor even white German-Brazilians and yellow Japanese-Brazilian, seemed to our eyes to be so very proportionally represented. Almost everyone in the elite areas of the multiracial Brazil might look like a "co-incidentally" Portuguese appearance.

    Unlike in the football team which is shown around by the Brazilian elite all over the world as a displaycase of Brazilian multinational unity.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swfmR6wCBvc


    Woke China and Russia probably represent either failed or stalled iterations of basically the same universal worldview
     
    China's in the situation of the proletariat of the world (India is still something lumpenproletariat), while snobbery against Russia - it's viewed like a lower middle class.

    Although in reality, "rich people in the world have united" - it's like an inversion of Marx.

    I even experienced this atmosphere of "rich people of the world unite", as (although being a lower class person) I had a few luxury experiences studying abroad as a teenager and later still. Nowhere can national boundaries dissolve more easily, than among people who are experiencing a horn of abundance.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    *symbolic equality snip*

    If African Americans want their own base of political power, they should have self-determination, like Black-run local communities and even Black nationalism. They will be better served by turning the backs from those Whiteys teaching them what to expect.

    who could from their appearance be descended from the original Portuguese ruling class.

    It’s the case all over Latin America unless you have an absolute Amerindian majority.

    China’s in the situation of the proletariat of the world (India is still something lumpenproletariat), while snobbery against Russia – it’s viewed like a lower middle class.

    China is a mix of true proletariat, lower middle class, and self-serving cadres all LARPing to strive for a socialist future. Similarly for Russia (much of the developmental gap has been closed by China), but ideologically adrift without Putin.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yellowface Anon

    In technical economic terms, it's true that China's income divided by population has surpassed Ukraine for more than a decade, surpassed Belarus for 5 years, and now almost closed its gap with Russia, which seems crazy - but world changes (well done for China).

    https://i.imgur.com/rMpqbKF.jpg

    But I'm just talking about Western perceptions, in response to Coconut's comment.

    China is analogous for proletariat to the West - Chinese workers in the factory are producing the (often low quality) consumer goods, that the Westerners consume.

    Russia does not have this relation with the West, and in recent years partly is viewed like a "less developed" or "less sophisticated" version of Europe or America, or (to extend this analogy, if it's worth anything) a petite bourgeoisie.

    Of course, most Americans are extremely uninterested in Russian realities, and Western Europeans even less so. Within the American politics, Russia is a surface for their projections.

    For example, Bill Maher was claiming that Russia is "not diverse" and for this reason therefore will be idealized by Republicans. (Of course, one of the main difficulties for the authorities of the last couple centuries has been managing a diverse multinational territory, in an age of nationalizing minorities, and internal movements of nationalities - but Bill Maher is evidently not someone who reads history books, but perhaps can be representative of American projections).

  168. @mal
    @Dmitry

    Snobby and elitist isn't the main problem. I don't know about Utah, never been there, so can't comment.

    But the coasts are coming after your kids. A friend of mine from Detroit works in California now, his kids were fine in the Midwest, after moving to Cali his son is gay and daughter a lesbian. I knew those kids well in the Midwest, they were normal and happy.

    Even my liberal wife was like "that's strange, what are the odds of both kids turning out like that? And his daughter sounds really dark and depressed".

    When even liberal women are starting to do probability calculations, you know its problematic.

    Its a bit of a dilemma as schools in the South suck relative to the coast, but at the same time, hopefully less brainwashing. I can deal with shootouts by the hood rats, but having your school brainwash your son into cutting off his dick is a bit too much. Stay away from the coasts.

    And even if you don't have kids, people in the coasts will cancel you the moment you say something out of current fashion. I'd rather hang out with deer hunting rednecks, they are nicer people.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    This says a lot on how genetic and how social “identity-building” is.

    Just use the Aristotelian causes schema to see it: genetics and environment are material causes, “social construction” is the efficient cause, identities becoming formal cause.

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @mal
    @Yellowface Anon

    Good post. Learned something new tonight.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_causes

  169. @Yellowface Anon
    @mal

    This says a lot on how genetic and how social "identity-building" is.

    Just use the Aristotelian causes schema to see it: genetics and environment are material causes, "social construction" is the efficient cause, identities becoming formal cause.

    Replies: @mal

    Good post. Learned something new tonight.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_causes

  170. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Yevardian

    I'm satisfied with Scott Alexander's review.

    The one India book I'm planning to read is Joshi's India’s Long Road (which Thulean Friend recommended to me) to get a better grasp on its economy.

    Also eventually some history, though Nemets summarized Keay's very well:



    https://twitter.com/Peter_Nimitz/status/1158082568836636672

    Replies: @sher singh

    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
  171. Also: India MIRV test in few days, alongside new independent rocket force.
    Indo-French negotiations for nuke subs & closer political alliance in works.. @sjha1618

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  172. How will FOREX & cross-border online retail (e.g. buying from a seller on American Amazon in Britain) work in a purely CBDC system? Those can be micromanaged or banned altogether for political reasons.

  173. Mr. Hack

    Recalling your not too distant comment regarding an occurrence in Brighton Beach:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    I don't remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a "Queer Revolution" would be good for Ukraine?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mikhail

  174. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    Bashibuzuk left because of AK seeing a sci-fi scenario in what he sincerely believes to be the future of a transhumanist-Amish divide, as I see it.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I think that I had a front row seat at most of the Karlin/Bashibazuk skirmishes – nothing too bloody…
    I enjoyed their little trysts and viewed it all as just two heavy duty intellects splitting a few atoms of contention. I don’t see it at all as Karlin somehow running him off. Bashi was good at bringing out some of Karlin’s thought processes, that perhaps he (Karlin) wasn’t able to bring out on his own, and for this he should be congratulated. Bashi was generally liked here and Karlin is too savvy to let a good commenter go. There’s something else going on here…perhaps his wife was nagging him to spend more time doing house chores, and less time wasting away on the internet? Wifes, as I remember, can easily try and control the agenda. 🙂

  175. @Mikhail
    Mr. Hack

    Recalling your not too distant comment regarding an occurrence in Brighton Beach:

    https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1439536494465753089

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    Encouraging decadence of your enemies?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?
     
    You brought up a photo of LGBTQ folks in BB, with a former Soviet background and rhetorically quipped about them being opposite of Denikin and his sympathizers.

    In turn, I noted that BB has been known to be former Soviet, but with a noticeable Jewish as opposed to ROC background.

    Prior to your asking, I didn't give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population - clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there're plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn't so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could've had?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mr. Hack

  176. Since Sinotibetan brought this up, I suspect some radical pro-Trump factions will support stripping all Democrats and Biden voters of their citizenship for treason and set up penal work camps to house them, possibly even exterminating them in an industrial scale. Their descendants might be treated as 2nd class citizens forever and forms a underclass. Since they are barred from political office, only factions developed from GOP could survive politically. This is the ultimate form of illegalizing political opposition and will out-Nazi the ChiNazis (CCP would look like interwar Poland), and Putler (Putin has never outlawed the Russian Communist Party).

    This is basically Generalplan Ost moved to a US context and whoever instrumental in implementing them deserves the “fascist” label applied to them by leftoids during the Trump administration. A future GOP or Trumpist president might be beholden to such fringe elements and impose them to avenge Trump’s loss in 2020.

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Wency
    @Yellowface Anon


    some radical pro-Trump factions will support stripping all Democrats and Biden voters of their citizenship for treason and set up penal work camps to house them
     
    Something like this will appear somewhere on Twitter or Facebook if it hasn't already, sure.

    A future GOP or Trumpist president might be beholden to such fringe elements and impose them to avenge Trump’s loss in 2020.
     
    Nah. You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them. You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump's Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions -- that's how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did. Nothing like America.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

  177. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    I don't remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a "Queer Revolution" would be good for Ukraine?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mikhail

    Encouraging decadence of your enemies?

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    Mikhail brings to my attention a gay pride march in Kyiv, and I further query him on his feelings about it all, that's all. He's taking his time in replying back. Must be formulating his politically correct answer. :-)

    Replies: @Mikhail

  178. @Yellowface Anon
    Since Sinotibetan brought this up, I suspect some radical pro-Trump factions will support stripping all Democrats and Biden voters of their citizenship for treason and set up penal work camps to house them, possibly even exterminating them in an industrial scale. Their descendants might be treated as 2nd class citizens forever and forms a underclass. Since they are barred from political office, only factions developed from GOP could survive politically. This is the ultimate form of illegalizing political opposition and will out-Nazi the ChiNazis (CCP would look like interwar Poland), and Putler (Putin has never outlawed the Russian Communist Party).

    This is basically Generalplan Ost moved to a US context and whoever instrumental in implementing them deserves the "fascist" label applied to them by leftoids during the Trump administration. A future GOP or Trumpist president might be beholden to such fringe elements and impose them to avenge Trump's loss in 2020.

    Replies: @Wency

    some radical pro-Trump factions will support stripping all Democrats and Biden voters of their citizenship for treason and set up penal work camps to house them

    Something like this will appear somewhere on Twitter or Facebook if it hasn’t already, sure.

    A future GOP or Trumpist president might be beholden to such fringe elements and impose them to avenge Trump’s loss in 2020.

    Nah. You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them. You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump’s Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions — that’s how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did. Nothing like America.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Wency


    You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them.
     
    Trumpists have a claim on much of the GOP's political base (most significantly DeSantis' Florida and maybe Texas) pride themselves for having the certainty of retaking both houses in 2022 and leaving Biden a lame duck, if he isn't dead or ousted by then. By the rate Democrats push their economic and social agendas, discontent is rising quickly enough to flip a sizable part of their electorate especially on the antivaxx vs provaxx issue. If Trump gets to start his 2nd administration (after 2020 election results are "rectified" to show his victory), the Trumpist faction will overwhelm RINOs and then proceed to use Democrat's house-securing bill for their own entrenchment.

    This is now as likely as Biden finishing his 4-year term, or Harris taking over after Biden is declared to be incapacitated.


    You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump’s Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions — that’s how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did.
     
    Taking a Weimar analogy, the right wing parties (DNVP & DVP) broadly resembled the GOP and the left wing parties (SPD & Communists) broadly resembled Democrats, even tho both American parties are shifted to the right compared to continental European German parties. The Trumpists is a faction in its own right, increasingly radical as time passes (and gaining speed in and after 2020), eventually becoming a "liberal" Nazism, as oxymoronic it can be. It would be like a stable SPD government - a DNVP - DVP - Nazi coalition where DNVP and Nazism were predominant - a French & Soviet-supported SPD - Communist coalition formed in reaction to the previous coalition and the Great Depression, where the Communists took concrete steps to expropriate Junkers and co-opting the industrial-finance complex for prospective nationalization - rapidly resurgent Nazis standing on its own legs even while opposed by the other half of the country, standing for the Junkers and attempting to wrest the control of industry from the Communists, while purging large parts of the country. What happened in America has only slightly deviated from Weimar Germany, especially as it will be 1923 + 1932 added together.

    Once in office, like early Nazi Germany, broad and authoritarian administrative mandates that were unthinkable without COVID and the electoral coup will be seen as urgent, since the Democrats are now seen to be an extraordinary and globalist (sounds Jewish?) enemy needing to be uprooted immediately, literally traitors who has committed electoral fraud and legislated in Trump's place. and Trumpists are fighting for American liberation from Chinese aggression, COVID "tyrants" (not that this isn't an term of sufficient weight for the level of compulsion the state has used since 2020) and restore American greatness, just like German liberation from Versailles, Jewish domination, and lebensraum. There are injustices to be righted, but the balance will be overstepped to eventually exterminate some of those enemies that are not deeply dark.

    Trumpism and a large part of the GOP has considerably radicalized with the concomitant radicalization of the Democrat-woke-globalist coalition. Turns out being called a Nazi by your leftoid detractors, and then being defeated, makes you to Nazify yourself.

    If you aren't convinced: https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2020/07/17/those-cosmic-madmen-america-fascism-and-the-triumph-of-death/

    (I am not a Trumpist and has no part in your American partisanship, so to hell with your rightoid feelings. I despite some leftoids and rightoids equally.)

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Wency, @A123

  179. @AP
    @Dmitry


    So probably I wouldn’t be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable “hunting trip” to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).
     
    Hunting is popular in the Midwest but it's not like most Midwesterners hunt. There is nothing wrong with hunting - there are no longer wolves or mountain lions in the Midwest so hunters perform the necessary function of culling the herds, so hunting prevents mass starvation. The hunted deer are usually eaten, so it is not a waste. The life of a wild deer who is eventually shot (a less painful death than being ripped apart by a pack of wolves) isn't much worse than the life of a farm animal and is far better than the life of a factory farmed animal. Are you a vegan?

    But from my “YouTube education” – the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas – Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.
     
    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity and thus have a naive population, the people tend to be politically progressive which can be annoying. Although in a more practical, laid back and orderly way than in crazy activist California, Portland or Seattle. Yankees are understated after all, not show-offs. It is a land of low but charming mountains, pleasant old towns surrounded by lush green forests or small farms, educated population, high incomes (especially in NE), excellent restaurants due to the previous two factors, ski resorts, and beaches. Urban ghettos exist in small pockets but are highly segregated. One can easily drive to New York or Montreal for large city experiences (Boston doesn't count, it does not feel like a large city at all). A drawback is the lack of stuff like discos or the latest music scenes. It's not a place for people under 25 wanting excitement.

    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

    upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.
     
    This exists but it doesn't characterize most of the region or its people. The elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.

    Replies: @Wency, @Dmitry

    fashionable “hunting trip”

    Yeah, this is one of those lines that’s just comical to me, as if that was how hunting culture played out. Hunting is something you need to pursue and make sacrifices in order to happen — you’re never going to get peer-pressured into hunting, LOL.

    But also that anti-hunting mentality is just gross to me. I think hunting is important for placing nature in context. Men who don’t hunt tend to either worship nature or regard it with disdain or indifference, I notice.

    I live in the Deep South, in a Trump +30 county (with blacks making up a majority of the Dem vote). The “fashionable” people here do the same things that fashionable people on Manhattan do — this is not a coincidence. We have gay churches and a gay pride parade.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Wency


    But also that anti-hunting mentality is just gross to me. I think hunting is important for placing nature in context. Men who don’t hunt tend to either worship nature or regard it with disdain or indifference, I notice.
     
    I respect hunting and hunters but have personally not gone hunting myself; I don’t want the kill an animal. When I was a kid I did a lot of shooting in the woods with friends, but only at cans and bottles. But I enjoy nature and do a lot of hiking.
  180. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mr. Hack

    Encouraging decadence of your enemies?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Mikhail brings to my attention a gay pride march in Kyiv, and I further query him on his feelings about it all, that’s all. He’s taking his time in replying back. Must be formulating his politically correct answer. 🙂

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    Just got thru reading it. It didn't take too much of my time. Akin to someone lobbing an easy pitch over the plate to knock out of the park.

  181. @Wency
    @Yellowface Anon


    some radical pro-Trump factions will support stripping all Democrats and Biden voters of their citizenship for treason and set up penal work camps to house them
     
    Something like this will appear somewhere on Twitter or Facebook if it hasn't already, sure.

    A future GOP or Trumpist president might be beholden to such fringe elements and impose them to avenge Trump’s loss in 2020.
     
    Nah. You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them. You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump's Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions -- that's how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did. Nothing like America.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them.

    Trumpists have a claim on much of the GOP’s political base (most significantly DeSantis’ Florida and maybe Texas) pride themselves for having the certainty of retaking both houses in 2022 and leaving Biden a lame duck, if he isn’t dead or ousted by then. By the rate Democrats push their economic and social agendas, discontent is rising quickly enough to flip a sizable part of their electorate especially on the antivaxx vs provaxx issue. If Trump gets to start his 2nd administration (after 2020 election results are “rectified” to show his victory), the Trumpist faction will overwhelm RINOs and then proceed to use Democrat’s house-securing bill for their own entrenchment.

    This is now as likely as Biden finishing his 4-year term, or Harris taking over after Biden is declared to be incapacitated.

    You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump’s Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions — that’s how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did.

    Taking a Weimar analogy, the right wing parties (DNVP & DVP) broadly resembled the GOP and the left wing parties (SPD & Communists) broadly resembled Democrats, even tho both American parties are shifted to the right compared to continental European German parties. The Trumpists is a faction in its own right, increasingly radical as time passes (and gaining speed in and after 2020), eventually becoming a “liberal” Nazism, as oxymoronic it can be. It would be like a stable SPD government – a DNVP – DVP – Nazi coalition where DNVP and Nazism were predominant – a French & Soviet-supported SPD – Communist coalition formed in reaction to the previous coalition and the Great Depression, where the Communists took concrete steps to expropriate Junkers and co-opting the industrial-finance complex for prospective nationalization – rapidly resurgent Nazis standing on its own legs even while opposed by the other half of the country, standing for the Junkers and attempting to wrest the control of industry from the Communists, while purging large parts of the country. What happened in America has only slightly deviated from Weimar Germany, especially as it will be 1923 + 1932 added together.

    Once in office, like early Nazi Germany, broad and authoritarian administrative mandates that were unthinkable without COVID and the electoral coup will be seen as urgent, since the Democrats are now seen to be an extraordinary and globalist (sounds Jewish?) enemy needing to be uprooted immediately, literally traitors who has committed electoral fraud and legislated in Trump’s place. and Trumpists are fighting for American liberation from Chinese aggression, COVID “tyrants” (not that this isn’t an term of sufficient weight for the level of compulsion the state has used since 2020) and restore American greatness, just like German liberation from Versailles, Jewish domination, and lebensraum. There are injustices to be righted, but the balance will be overstepped to eventually exterminate some of those enemies that are not deeply dark.

    Trumpism and a large part of the GOP has considerably radicalized with the concomitant radicalization of the Democrat-woke-globalist coalition. Turns out being called a Nazi by your leftoid detractors, and then being defeated, makes you to Nazify yourself.

    If you aren’t convinced: https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2020/07/17/those-cosmic-madmen-america-fascism-and-the-triumph-of-death/

    (I am not a Trumpist and has no part in your American partisanship, so to hell with your rightoid feelings. I despite some leftoids and rightoids equally.)

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Yellowface Anon

    https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2021/09/17/whos-afraid-of-li-hongzhi-anti-communism-conspiracy-and-what-happened-in-1999/

    The Epoch Times is one of the most read papers in hardcore Trumpist circles and many of the ideas (a few of them are decent, like some of their Tradcon views) comes to unz. I can tell Trumpism has a sort of strange familiarity, but didn't see the influence of equally Manichaean Falun Gong. (I quitted being a Trumpist after reading libertarian articles back in 2020)

    I've never read the Epoch Times (not the English incarnation) but HK is drenched in the kind of stifling hopeless agitation Falun Gong has helped to build up.

    , @Wency
    @Yellowface Anon

    I don't think you get my point. Yes, Trumpists are able to garner a significant minority of the vote. But very few Trumpists and very many rabid anti-Trumpists are placed in elite society. Trumpists have a massive human capital problem. DC political operatives and bureaucrats (including the FBI and CIA) almost uniformly despise the man. You cannot make the machinery of government do anything without these people. If that wasn't clear already, it should be a clear takeaway from the ineffectual Trump Presidency.

    For Trumpists to wield the sort of power you're describing, they would have to basically destroy the Federal government, build a new one from scratch without the benefit of anyone who has any idea how to do that, and win a civil war against a left backed by 95% of the institutional power, 95% of the economic power, and somewhere between 60-80% of the population. Far more likely is that if any Republican tried such a thing, the Democrats and all of elite society would call for the President to be arrested, the FBI would arrest him, the military would refuse to stop them, and that would be that.

    The SPD was the biggest party in Weimar Germany for most of its existence, but they had nothing like the cultural stranglehold that the contemporary left does over American culture and institutions. The Nazis were able to come to power legally and without a civil war because in Weimar Germany, there were many elites in very high places within the military, industry, and the intelligentsia who, while usually not Nazis themselves pre-1932, were conservative German nationalists of various stripes who were skeptical of the republic, terrified of Communism, and cautiously optimistic about the rise of the Nazis. There is no analogy to this in the US, except on the left, which has all this power and more. It is for this reason that a leftist totalitarian government has a good chance of happening in the US, which a rightist one is, for all practical purposes, impossible.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    , @A123
    @Yellowface Anon

    It is easy for #NeverTrump Nazi Extremists to spin out the fantasies. But the histrionics do not add up.

    Let recast the facts in Chinese terms as a parallel:

    --1--Xi won, but was removed from office by a Nazi Coup
    --2-- Huge portions of the Nazi opposition are continuing to break PRC law to permanently enshrine the Coup. For example, brutally undermining election law so they can continue to fabricate non-existent votes on demand.
    --3-- The Nazi figurehead put into place has such limited function he is not capable of unscripted interactions with citizens. The Lugenpresse is on a 100% support mission lying spectacularly to maintain the illusion, despite an impending inflation led catastrophe.
    --4-- And, 400 Million Chinese citizens are so unglued and detached from reality that they continue to support Nazism & the Coup that over threw the actual PRC system.

    Under your logic, the 400MM+ strong Nazi organization would be untouchable. So, even after the current problem is resolved, the PRC would be left on a precarious cliff edge within inches of the next Nazi Coup.

    Faced with equivalent situations, A similar, centrist response would be shared by both MAGA and the CCP. Both groups would embrace De-nazification as a minimum task to preserve the rule of law.

    Do you think the CCP would round up 400MM Chinese and put them to death Pol Pot style or march them into a neighboring country? Now apply that same logic to MAGA, who are not going to engage in mass round ups.

    CCP/MAGA De-nazification would concentrate on limiting the ability of Nazis to influence future outcomes. Those who actively espose overthrowing the PRC/US Constitution must be permanently excluded from the process. Those who are massively ignorant and do not understand the PRC/US Constitution are downgraded to a lesser status until they are able to prove minimum competence. There would be a gigantic CCP/MAGA push to De-nazify education, so the restrictions have vastly less impact on the next generation.
    ______

    PLEASE do not attempt to STRAWMAN, if you choose to respond.

    No where in the above have I said that there is any broad identicality between MAGA and the CCP. The illustration is very limited and only about how they would react to internal problems. MAGA and the CCP disagree on huge numbers of things and are not very similar. However, any rational leadership in any country would reach similar conclusions about minimum steps needed to guarantee national survival in the face of a Nazi uprising supported by a material % of the population.

    PEACE 😇

  182. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    I don't remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a "Queer Revolution" would be good for Ukraine?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mikhail

    I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?

    You brought up a photo of LGBTQ folks in BB, with a former Soviet background and rhetorically quipped about them being opposite of Denikin and his sympathizers.

    In turn, I noted that BB has been known to be former Soviet, but with a noticeable Jewish as opposed to ROC background.

    Prior to your asking, I didn’t give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there’re plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn’t so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could’ve had?

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    LGBTQ+ is good for Ukraine - hollow out the svidomy from within!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.
     
    Your "politically correct" reply didn't answer my question:

    Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?

     

    You can't seem to even hit a proper bunt here, much less "hitting it out of the ballpark". Why not try again, it's only strike one. :-)

    Replies: @Mikhail

  183. @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    Mikhail brings to my attention a gay pride march in Kyiv, and I further query him on his feelings about it all, that's all. He's taking his time in replying back. Must be formulating his politically correct answer. :-)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Just got thru reading it. It didn’t take too much of my time. Akin to someone lobbing an easy pitch over the plate to knock out of the park.

  184. The svido mindset second guessed by a Ukrainian:

    https://www.rt.com/sport/535318-ukraine-russia-volleyball-dmytro-teryomenko/

    Likewise:

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/306548367_The_Far_Right_in_Ukraine_During_the_Euromaidan_and_the_War_in_Donbas

    This should be good:

  185. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?
     
    You brought up a photo of LGBTQ folks in BB, with a former Soviet background and rhetorically quipped about them being opposite of Denikin and his sympathizers.

    In turn, I noted that BB has been known to be former Soviet, but with a noticeable Jewish as opposed to ROC background.

    Prior to your asking, I didn't give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population - clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there're plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn't so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could've had?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mr. Hack

    LGBTQ+ is good for Ukraine – hollow out the svidomy from within!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Yellowface Anon

    There you go, help Mickey out to hit one out of the ballpark!

  186. @Yellowface Anon
    @Mikhail

    LGBTQ+ is good for Ukraine - hollow out the svidomy from within!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    There you go, help Mickey out to hit one out of the ballpark!

  187. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack


    I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. I don’t remember how this LGBTQ rally ties in with my comment about Brighton Beach, but I am surprised at the large crowd of supporters that appears there. Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?
     
    You brought up a photo of LGBTQ folks in BB, with a former Soviet background and rhetorically quipped about them being opposite of Denikin and his sympathizers.

    In turn, I noted that BB has been known to be former Soviet, but with a noticeable Jewish as opposed to ROC background.

    Prior to your asking, I didn't give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population - clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there're plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn't so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could've had?

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Mr. Hack

    As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    Your “politically correct” reply didn’t answer my question:

    Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?

    You can’t seem to even hit a proper bunt here, much less “hitting it out of the ballpark”. Why not try again, it’s only strike one. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You're like Doc Gooden at some points especially after '86, not knowing how bad your situation is on the mound.

    I answered your question with a follow-up of asking you your answer to that question.


    Prior to your asking, I didn’t give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there’re plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn’t so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could’ve had?
     
    Why haven't you answered that question?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  188. @Wency
    @AP


    fashionable “hunting trip”
     
    Yeah, this is one of those lines that's just comical to me, as if that was how hunting culture played out. Hunting is something you need to pursue and make sacrifices in order to happen -- you're never going to get peer-pressured into hunting, LOL.

    But also that anti-hunting mentality is just gross to me. I think hunting is important for placing nature in context. Men who don't hunt tend to either worship nature or regard it with disdain or indifference, I notice.

    I live in the Deep South, in a Trump +30 county (with blacks making up a majority of the Dem vote). The "fashionable" people here do the same things that fashionable people on Manhattan do -- this is not a coincidence. We have gay churches and a gay pride parade.

    Replies: @AP

    But also that anti-hunting mentality is just gross to me. I think hunting is important for placing nature in context. Men who don’t hunt tend to either worship nature or regard it with disdain or indifference, I notice.

    I respect hunting and hunters but have personally not gone hunting myself; I don’t want the kill an animal. When I was a kid I did a lot of shooting in the woods with friends, but only at cans and bottles. But I enjoy nature and do a lot of hiking.

  189. @Yellowface Anon
    @Wency


    You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them.
     
    Trumpists have a claim on much of the GOP's political base (most significantly DeSantis' Florida and maybe Texas) pride themselves for having the certainty of retaking both houses in 2022 and leaving Biden a lame duck, if he isn't dead or ousted by then. By the rate Democrats push their economic and social agendas, discontent is rising quickly enough to flip a sizable part of their electorate especially on the antivaxx vs provaxx issue. If Trump gets to start his 2nd administration (after 2020 election results are "rectified" to show his victory), the Trumpist faction will overwhelm RINOs and then proceed to use Democrat's house-securing bill for their own entrenchment.

    This is now as likely as Biden finishing his 4-year term, or Harris taking over after Biden is declared to be incapacitated.


    You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump’s Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions — that’s how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did.
     
    Taking a Weimar analogy, the right wing parties (DNVP & DVP) broadly resembled the GOP and the left wing parties (SPD & Communists) broadly resembled Democrats, even tho both American parties are shifted to the right compared to continental European German parties. The Trumpists is a faction in its own right, increasingly radical as time passes (and gaining speed in and after 2020), eventually becoming a "liberal" Nazism, as oxymoronic it can be. It would be like a stable SPD government - a DNVP - DVP - Nazi coalition where DNVP and Nazism were predominant - a French & Soviet-supported SPD - Communist coalition formed in reaction to the previous coalition and the Great Depression, where the Communists took concrete steps to expropriate Junkers and co-opting the industrial-finance complex for prospective nationalization - rapidly resurgent Nazis standing on its own legs even while opposed by the other half of the country, standing for the Junkers and attempting to wrest the control of industry from the Communists, while purging large parts of the country. What happened in America has only slightly deviated from Weimar Germany, especially as it will be 1923 + 1932 added together.

    Once in office, like early Nazi Germany, broad and authoritarian administrative mandates that were unthinkable without COVID and the electoral coup will be seen as urgent, since the Democrats are now seen to be an extraordinary and globalist (sounds Jewish?) enemy needing to be uprooted immediately, literally traitors who has committed electoral fraud and legislated in Trump's place. and Trumpists are fighting for American liberation from Chinese aggression, COVID "tyrants" (not that this isn't an term of sufficient weight for the level of compulsion the state has used since 2020) and restore American greatness, just like German liberation from Versailles, Jewish domination, and lebensraum. There are injustices to be righted, but the balance will be overstepped to eventually exterminate some of those enemies that are not deeply dark.

    Trumpism and a large part of the GOP has considerably radicalized with the concomitant radicalization of the Democrat-woke-globalist coalition. Turns out being called a Nazi by your leftoid detractors, and then being defeated, makes you to Nazify yourself.

    If you aren't convinced: https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2020/07/17/those-cosmic-madmen-america-fascism-and-the-triumph-of-death/

    (I am not a Trumpist and has no part in your American partisanship, so to hell with your rightoid feelings. I despite some leftoids and rightoids equally.)

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Wency, @A123

    https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2021/09/17/whos-afraid-of-li-hongzhi-anti-communism-conspiracy-and-what-happened-in-1999/

    The Epoch Times is one of the most read papers in hardcore Trumpist circles and many of the ideas (a few of them are decent, like some of their Tradcon views) comes to unz. I can tell Trumpism has a sort of strange familiarity, but didn’t see the influence of equally Manichaean Falun Gong. (I quitted being a Trumpist after reading libertarian articles back in 2020)

    I’ve never read the Epoch Times (not the English incarnation) but HK is drenched in the kind of stifling hopeless agitation Falun Gong has helped to build up.

  190. @AP
    @Dmitry


    So probably I wouldn’t be too popular in Deep South and Midwest (I will never go with colleagues to some fashionable “hunting trip” to kill beautiful animals like bears or dears).
     
    Hunting is popular in the Midwest but it's not like most Midwesterners hunt. There is nothing wrong with hunting - there are no longer wolves or mountain lions in the Midwest so hunters perform the necessary function of culling the herds, so hunting prevents mass starvation. The hunted deer are usually eaten, so it is not a waste. The life of a wild deer who is eventually shot (a less painful death than being ripped apart by a pack of wolves) isn't much worse than the life of a farm animal and is far better than the life of a factory farmed animal. Are you a vegan?

    But from my “YouTube education” – the best states seem mostly in the Northern areas – Washington (Seattle), Utah, Massachusetts.
     
    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity and thus have a naive population, the people tend to be politically progressive which can be annoying. Although in a more practical, laid back and orderly way than in crazy activist California, Portland or Seattle. Yankees are understated after all, not show-offs. It is a land of low but charming mountains, pleasant old towns surrounded by lush green forests or small farms, educated population, high incomes (especially in NE), excellent restaurants due to the previous two factors, ski resorts, and beaches. Urban ghettos exist in small pockets but are highly segregated. One can easily drive to New York or Montreal for large city experiences (Boston doesn't count, it does not feel like a large city at all). A drawback is the lack of stuff like discos or the latest music scenes. It's not a place for people under 25 wanting excitement.

    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

    upper class areas of Massachusetts like North Boston, is conveying a feeling they have a culture which might be too snobby and elitist.
     
    This exists but it doesn't characterize most of the region or its people. The elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.

    Replies: @Wency, @Dmitry

    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .

    But looking at Baltimore – it is strangely beautiful work of architecture conservation, because of a lack of new buildings, and being not touched by globalization or chain shops.

    Every building is unchanged from a century in the past. But the government has stopped to invest in retiling the streets.

    Of course it’s population has evidently lost its hope. Shops there are only selling alcohol that the people self-medicate with, while the illegal drugs are sold by unofficial vendors. It’s not just poverty, but the population is too psychologically broken (and drug addicted) to even repaint or clean their houses.

    Baltimore is from 24:30. (at Philadelphia in 36:00 the house designs remind me of Ireland, but with of course even subrussia maintenance and income levels).

    nothing wrong with hunting

    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.

    But writing something like is to imply that yourself are more spiritual than the hunters, and you become guilty of doing the most unpleasant kind of virtue signalling (people who claim to be spiritually superior to another person).

    Needless to say I wouldn’t be very clubbable in those areas of Midwest or Deep South where your colleagues might be saying “let’s shoot a bear this weekend”.

    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity

    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.

    But the elite lifestyle is indeed sounding like the stereotypes.

    elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.

    “Woke” is a culture shock at first, but you might find you can habituate to it with surprising rapidity and ease.

    I was in a graduate programme in Western Europe when there were those very large terrorist attacks in Paris.

    This is the only time I really felt some culture shock from the woke politics, because most of my colleagues commented the same things “that’s so terrible, those poor people – but really Europe is the guilty one, because of colonialism, etc.”

    For the first second I felt like arguing, but after you heard the second or third person person saying this you know to be quiet – this is the virtue signalling culture of everyone around you, and the woke views feel local customs here, like bowing is for Japanese people.

    On the other hand, the problem of going in a closed elitist culture, is that it is a small club, and you and me would never be invited (unless were in some Philips Exeter Academy), and even if we had conformed perfectly to local customs.

    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

    This is a sign of some civilization in the legal sphere, other things equal.

    America (like Russia) has certain aspects of being a police state. It’s more comfortable to be in a place where people are at least not being imprisoned for narcotics which should be a personal choice, and are anyway less damaging in many ways than alcohol.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    @Dmitry


    For the first second I felt like arguing, but after you heard the second or third person person saying this you know to be quiet – this is the virtue signalling culture of everyone around you, and the woke views feel local customs here, like bowing is for Japanese people.
     
    This parallels my experience.
    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?
     
    The ones in Chicago and Detroit are more beautiful architecturally.

    In Chicago the city allowed crime to drive away the residents, then when those places became dirt cheap the criminals were taken care of and developers close to the mayor's family bought up the property at rock bottom prices. These neighborhoods are now very expensive. The only enclave to avoid this process was Ukrainian Village - stubborn Ukrainians stayed while the Poles, Irish, etc. fled. Now their houses are worth millions.

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .
     
    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

    https://lemacks.com/wp-content/uploads/1881-Alfred-Street-Brush-park-20-x-10-panoramic-1-768x402.jpg

    There remain enclaves of beautiful well preserved houses in Detroit, patrolled by private security. The residents of these neighborhoods are like the living humans in the Walking Dead, surrounded by zombie hordes. One such neighborhood is Indian Village:

    https://www.lifeinmichigan.com/wp-content/gallery/indian-village-detroit-home-tour-2015/Indian-Village-Home-Tour-Detroit-2015-33.jpg

    Not too far from there, is stuff like this:

    http://calsound.net/memoir/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_4842.jpg

    Fascinating place.

    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.
     
    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one's family. I personally Wouldn't want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.

    Anyways, outside of small towns most people in the Midwest are not hunters.

    "New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity"

    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.
     
    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts yes (perhaps paradoxically, Vermont has a high per capita gun ownership rate, higher than South Carolina and Georgia). Connecticut and Rhode Island were less for Biden than California and Hawaii. Maine and New Hampshire were less for Biden than Colorado, Virginia, and Illinois.

    Nearly 40% of people in Connecticut and Rhode Island, and about 45% in NH and Maine, voted for Trump. So these places are not monoliths.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @AaronB

  191. @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry


    *symbolic equality snip*
     
    If African Americans want their own base of political power, they should have self-determination, like Black-run local communities and even Black nationalism. They will be better served by turning the backs from those Whiteys teaching them what to expect.

    who could from their appearance be descended from the original Portuguese ruling class.
     
    It's the case all over Latin America unless you have an absolute Amerindian majority.

    China’s in the situation of the proletariat of the world (India is still something lumpenproletariat), while snobbery against Russia – it’s viewed like a lower middle class.
     
    China is a mix of true proletariat, lower middle class, and self-serving cadres all LARPing to strive for a socialist future. Similarly for Russia (much of the developmental gap has been closed by China), but ideologically adrift without Putin.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    In technical economic terms, it’s true that China’s income divided by population has surpassed Ukraine for more than a decade, surpassed Belarus for 5 years, and now almost closed its gap with Russia, which seems crazy – but world changes (well done for China).

    But I’m just talking about Western perceptions, in response to Coconut’s comment.

    China is analogous for proletariat to the West – Chinese workers in the factory are producing the (often low quality) consumer goods, that the Westerners consume.

    Russia does not have this relation with the West, and in recent years partly is viewed like a “less developed” or “less sophisticated” version of Europe or America, or (to extend this analogy, if it’s worth anything) a petite bourgeoisie.

    Of course, most Americans are extremely uninterested in Russian realities, and Western Europeans even less so. Within the American politics, Russia is a surface for their projections.

    For example, Bill Maher was claiming that Russia is “not diverse” and for this reason therefore will be idealized by Republicans. (Of course, one of the main difficulties for the authorities of the last couple centuries has been managing a diverse multinational territory, in an age of nationalizing minorities, and internal movements of nationalities – but Bill Maher is evidently not someone who reads history books, but perhaps can be representative of American projections).

  192. @Dmitry
    @AP

    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .

    But looking at Baltimore - it is strangely beautiful work of architecture conservation, because of a lack of new buildings, and being not touched by globalization or chain shops.

    Every building is unchanged from a century in the past. But the government has stopped to invest in retiling the streets.

    Of course it's population has evidently lost its hope. Shops there are only selling alcohol that the people self-medicate with, while the illegal drugs are sold by unofficial vendors. It's not just poverty, but the population is too psychologically broken (and drug addicted) to even repaint or clean their houses.

    Baltimore is from 24:30. (at Philadelphia in 36:00 the house designs remind me of Ireland, but with of course even subrussia maintenance and income levels).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1zi2QwpOlc


    nothing wrong with hunting
     
    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.

    But writing something like is to imply that yourself are more spiritual than the hunters, and you become guilty of doing the most unpleasant kind of virtue signalling (people who claim to be spiritually superior to another person).

    Needless to say I wouldn't be very clubbable in those areas of Midwest or Deep South where your colleagues might be saying "let's shoot a bear this weekend".


    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity
     
    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.

    But the elite lifestyle is indeed sounding like the stereotypes.


    elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.
     
    "Woke" is a culture shock at first, but you might find you can habituate to it with surprising rapidity and ease.

    I was in a graduate programme in Western Europe when there were those very large terrorist attacks in Paris.

    This is the only time I really felt some culture shock from the woke politics, because most of my colleagues commented the same things "that's so terrible, those poor people - but really Europe is the guilty one, because of colonialism, etc."

    For the first second I felt like arguing, but after you heard the second or third person person saying this you know to be quiet - this is the virtue signalling culture of everyone around you, and the woke views feel local customs here, like bowing is for Japanese people.

    On the other hand, the problem of going in a closed elitist culture, is that it is a small club, and you and me would never be invited (unless were in some Philips Exeter Academy), and even if we had conformed perfectly to local customs.


    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

     

    This is a sign of some civilization in the legal sphere, other things equal.

    America (like Russia) has certain aspects of being a police state. It's more comfortable to be in a place where people are at least not being imprisoned for narcotics which should be a personal choice, and are anyway less damaging in many ways than alcohol.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @AP

    For the first second I felt like arguing, but after you heard the second or third person person saying this you know to be quiet – this is the virtue signalling culture of everyone around you, and the woke views feel local customs here, like bowing is for Japanese people.

    This parallels my experience.

  193. I think America has only ever had two villains that reach a deep thematic level within Hollywood.

    The first of these was Indians. This one I find really interesting because I believe it is the most racialist America ever got in its mainstream Hollywood culture. Though, reasonably enough, the biggest villains were always the treasonous whites who sold them guns and hatchets. Eventually, maybe due to the sad state of Indians – perhaps, the reason, they could be villainized in the first place – they were treated more often in a very politically correct way.

    The second major villain is the Nazis/KKK. This one is really startling to think about. The Nazis were obviously totally destroyed and Germany occupied – so IMO not a healthy object for a concept for friend/enemy distinction (also true of Indians, BTW). Meanwhile, the KKK was once a moderately large organization but it was quickly destroyed by being made the villains of the Superman radio show. Ever after, it was a hobgoblin, something pretend.

    Thirdly, maybe, communists, but I wouldn’t include them as their villainization was mainly political and outside of Hollywood, which at least as often treated them sympathetically.

    So, in summary, no utilitarian friend/enemy distinction in Hollywood culture. At least not from the perspective of perpetuating or preserving an American identity. Problem with foundational myths is they are not future-orientated.

  194. @Yellowface Anon
    @Wency


    You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them.
     
    Trumpists have a claim on much of the GOP's political base (most significantly DeSantis' Florida and maybe Texas) pride themselves for having the certainty of retaking both houses in 2022 and leaving Biden a lame duck, if he isn't dead or ousted by then. By the rate Democrats push their economic and social agendas, discontent is rising quickly enough to flip a sizable part of their electorate especially on the antivaxx vs provaxx issue. If Trump gets to start his 2nd administration (after 2020 election results are "rectified" to show his victory), the Trumpist faction will overwhelm RINOs and then proceed to use Democrat's house-securing bill for their own entrenchment.

    This is now as likely as Biden finishing his 4-year term, or Harris taking over after Biden is declared to be incapacitated.


    You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump’s Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions — that’s how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did.
     
    Taking a Weimar analogy, the right wing parties (DNVP & DVP) broadly resembled the GOP and the left wing parties (SPD & Communists) broadly resembled Democrats, even tho both American parties are shifted to the right compared to continental European German parties. The Trumpists is a faction in its own right, increasingly radical as time passes (and gaining speed in and after 2020), eventually becoming a "liberal" Nazism, as oxymoronic it can be. It would be like a stable SPD government - a DNVP - DVP - Nazi coalition where DNVP and Nazism were predominant - a French & Soviet-supported SPD - Communist coalition formed in reaction to the previous coalition and the Great Depression, where the Communists took concrete steps to expropriate Junkers and co-opting the industrial-finance complex for prospective nationalization - rapidly resurgent Nazis standing on its own legs even while opposed by the other half of the country, standing for the Junkers and attempting to wrest the control of industry from the Communists, while purging large parts of the country. What happened in America has only slightly deviated from Weimar Germany, especially as it will be 1923 + 1932 added together.

    Once in office, like early Nazi Germany, broad and authoritarian administrative mandates that were unthinkable without COVID and the electoral coup will be seen as urgent, since the Democrats are now seen to be an extraordinary and globalist (sounds Jewish?) enemy needing to be uprooted immediately, literally traitors who has committed electoral fraud and legislated in Trump's place. and Trumpists are fighting for American liberation from Chinese aggression, COVID "tyrants" (not that this isn't an term of sufficient weight for the level of compulsion the state has used since 2020) and restore American greatness, just like German liberation from Versailles, Jewish domination, and lebensraum. There are injustices to be righted, but the balance will be overstepped to eventually exterminate some of those enemies that are not deeply dark.

    Trumpism and a large part of the GOP has considerably radicalized with the concomitant radicalization of the Democrat-woke-globalist coalition. Turns out being called a Nazi by your leftoid detractors, and then being defeated, makes you to Nazify yourself.

    If you aren't convinced: https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2020/07/17/those-cosmic-madmen-america-fascism-and-the-triumph-of-death/

    (I am not a Trumpist and has no part in your American partisanship, so to hell with your rightoid feelings. I despite some leftoids and rightoids equally.)

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Wency, @A123

    I don’t think you get my point. Yes, Trumpists are able to garner a significant minority of the vote. But very few Trumpists and very many rabid anti-Trumpists are placed in elite society. Trumpists have a massive human capital problem. DC political operatives and bureaucrats (including the FBI and CIA) almost uniformly despise the man. You cannot make the machinery of government do anything without these people. If that wasn’t clear already, it should be a clear takeaway from the ineffectual Trump Presidency.

    For Trumpists to wield the sort of power you’re describing, they would have to basically destroy the Federal government, build a new one from scratch without the benefit of anyone who has any idea how to do that, and win a civil war against a left backed by 95% of the institutional power, 95% of the economic power, and somewhere between 60-80% of the population. Far more likely is that if any Republican tried such a thing, the Democrats and all of elite society would call for the President to be arrested, the FBI would arrest him, the military would refuse to stop them, and that would be that.

    The SPD was the biggest party in Weimar Germany for most of its existence, but they had nothing like the cultural stranglehold that the contemporary left does over American culture and institutions. The Nazis were able to come to power legally and without a civil war because in Weimar Germany, there were many elites in very high places within the military, industry, and the intelligentsia who, while usually not Nazis themselves pre-1932, were conservative German nationalists of various stripes who were skeptical of the republic, terrified of Communism, and cautiously optimistic about the rise of the Nazis. There is no analogy to this in the US, except on the left, which has all this power and more. It is for this reason that a leftist totalitarian government has a good chance of happening in the US, which a rightist one is, for all practical purposes, impossible.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Wency

    Those are al true, but the tides are rapidly turning, like in Revolutionary France so the chance isn't negligible. And you are right in being wary of left-wing totalitarianism, especially one actively prosecuting the White majority/plurality thru genocides (what White Nationalists have been saying doesn't count, I am thinking of Holodomor and concentration camps)

  195. @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail


    As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.
     
    Your "politically correct" reply didn't answer my question:

    Do you feel that a “Queer Revolution” would be good for Ukraine?

     

    You can't seem to even hit a proper bunt here, much less "hitting it out of the ballpark". Why not try again, it's only strike one. :-)

    Replies: @Mikhail

    You’re like Doc Gooden at some points especially after ’86, not knowing how bad your situation is on the mound.

    I answered your question with a follow-up of asking you your answer to that question.

    Prior to your asking, I didn’t give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there’re plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn’t so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could’ve had?

    Why haven’t you answered that question?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Mikhail

    Strike two. That's no answer, just a ruse to deflect the question. That's all.

  196. @Yellowface Anon
    @Wency


    You should know by now that Trumpists control zero important institutions, inside the government or outside of it, and have no means of capturing them.
     
    Trumpists have a claim on much of the GOP's political base (most significantly DeSantis' Florida and maybe Texas) pride themselves for having the certainty of retaking both houses in 2022 and leaving Biden a lame duck, if he isn't dead or ousted by then. By the rate Democrats push their economic and social agendas, discontent is rising quickly enough to flip a sizable part of their electorate especially on the antivaxx vs provaxx issue. If Trump gets to start his 2nd administration (after 2020 election results are "rectified" to show his victory), the Trumpist faction will overwhelm RINOs and then proceed to use Democrat's house-securing bill for their own entrenchment.

    This is now as likely as Biden finishing his 4-year term, or Harris taking over after Biden is declared to be incapacitated.


    You can barely get anything done *legally* in government if you lack institutional support (cf. Trump’s Presidency), let alone illegally. In Weimar Germany, rightists controlled many institutions — that’s how the Nazis were able to accomplish what they did.
     
    Taking a Weimar analogy, the right wing parties (DNVP & DVP) broadly resembled the GOP and the left wing parties (SPD & Communists) broadly resembled Democrats, even tho both American parties are shifted to the right compared to continental European German parties. The Trumpists is a faction in its own right, increasingly radical as time passes (and gaining speed in and after 2020), eventually becoming a "liberal" Nazism, as oxymoronic it can be. It would be like a stable SPD government - a DNVP - DVP - Nazi coalition where DNVP and Nazism were predominant - a French & Soviet-supported SPD - Communist coalition formed in reaction to the previous coalition and the Great Depression, where the Communists took concrete steps to expropriate Junkers and co-opting the industrial-finance complex for prospective nationalization - rapidly resurgent Nazis standing on its own legs even while opposed by the other half of the country, standing for the Junkers and attempting to wrest the control of industry from the Communists, while purging large parts of the country. What happened in America has only slightly deviated from Weimar Germany, especially as it will be 1923 + 1932 added together.

    Once in office, like early Nazi Germany, broad and authoritarian administrative mandates that were unthinkable without COVID and the electoral coup will be seen as urgent, since the Democrats are now seen to be an extraordinary and globalist (sounds Jewish?) enemy needing to be uprooted immediately, literally traitors who has committed electoral fraud and legislated in Trump's place. and Trumpists are fighting for American liberation from Chinese aggression, COVID "tyrants" (not that this isn't an term of sufficient weight for the level of compulsion the state has used since 2020) and restore American greatness, just like German liberation from Versailles, Jewish domination, and lebensraum. There are injustices to be righted, but the balance will be overstepped to eventually exterminate some of those enemies that are not deeply dark.

    Trumpism and a large part of the GOP has considerably radicalized with the concomitant radicalization of the Democrat-woke-globalist coalition. Turns out being called a Nazi by your leftoid detractors, and then being defeated, makes you to Nazify yourself.

    If you aren't convinced: https://lateralthinkingtechnology.wordpress.com/2020/07/17/those-cosmic-madmen-america-fascism-and-the-triumph-of-death/

    (I am not a Trumpist and has no part in your American partisanship, so to hell with your rightoid feelings. I despite some leftoids and rightoids equally.)

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @Wency, @A123

    It is easy for #NeverTrump Nazi Extremists to spin out the fantasies. But the histrionics do not add up.

    Let recast the facts in Chinese terms as a parallel:

    –1–Xi won, but was removed from office by a Nazi Coup
    –2– Huge portions of the Nazi opposition are continuing to break PRC law to permanently enshrine the Coup. For example, brutally undermining election law so they can continue to fabricate non-existent votes on demand.
    –3– The Nazi figurehead put into place has such limited function he is not capable of unscripted interactions with citizens. The Lugenpresse is on a 100% support mission lying spectacularly to maintain the illusion, despite an impending inflation led catastrophe.
    –4– And, 400 Million Chinese citizens are so unglued and detached from reality that they continue to support Nazism & the Coup that over threw the actual PRC system.

    Under your logic, the 400MM+ strong Nazi organization would be untouchable. So, even after the current problem is resolved, the PRC would be left on a precarious cliff edge within inches of the next Nazi Coup.

    Faced with equivalent situations, A similar, centrist response would be shared by both MAGA and the CCP. Both groups would embrace De-nazification as a minimum task to preserve the rule of law.

    Do you think the CCP would round up 400MM Chinese and put them to death Pol Pot style or march them into a neighboring country? Now apply that same logic to MAGA, who are not going to engage in mass round ups.

    CCP/MAGA De-nazification would concentrate on limiting the ability of Nazis to influence future outcomes. Those who actively espose overthrowing the PRC/US Constitution must be permanently excluded from the process. Those who are massively ignorant and do not understand the PRC/US Constitution are downgraded to a lesser status until they are able to prove minimum competence. There would be a gigantic CCP/MAGA push to De-nazify education, so the restrictions have vastly less impact on the next generation.
    ______

    PLEASE do not attempt to STRAWMAN, if you choose to respond.

    No where in the above have I said that there is any broad identicality between MAGA and the CCP. The illustration is very limited and only about how they would react to internal problems. MAGA and the CCP disagree on huge numbers of things and are not very similar. However, any rational leadership in any country would reach similar conclusions about minimum steps needed to guarantee national survival in the face of a Nazi uprising supported by a material % of the population.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: sher singh
  197. @Mikhail
    @Mr. Hack

    You're like Doc Gooden at some points especially after '86, not knowing how bad your situation is on the mound.

    I answered your question with a follow-up of asking you your answer to that question.


    Prior to your asking, I didn’t give your question any thought. Do you think it would be good for Ukraine? As is true elsewhere, Ukraine would better benefit with other priorities given, having to do with the physical health of the population – clean air, quality food, diet, exercise, good employment opportunities, as opposed to low paying unlikable jobs with no great future prospects.

    In the US, there’re plenty of help wanted signs, along with a population that isn’t so financially secure. No small wonder why the initial opposition to Hunter Biden came from Euromaidan leaning folks, who wondered why him for a position that others with a greater knowledge of Ukraine could’ve had?
     
    Why haven't you answered that question?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Strike two. That’s no answer, just a ruse to deflect the question. That’s all.

    • LOL: Mikhail
  198. It’s not really emerging though, but rather “ersatz” substitution by owners of the capital good – that’s instead of real equality via important categories (jobs, income, house size, etc), we provide some “ersatz” equality crusade on relatively unimportant things like LGBT minorities, or adding some melanin (Obama) to the president.

    It does seem to work as a kind of mystification concealing the sources of real economic and social power, this is why some aspects of the left wing tradition are much more interesting to the Woke than others. Class and economic factors are minimised, as is the realist and rationalistic content, the parts that seem to interest them most are the ones with strange, complex and paradoxical content and that can be used to enable certain kinds of authoritarianism.

    Some IMO very unusual content is being generated and propagated, things like this:

    https://joannechocolat.tumblr.com/post/660939774039932928/white-feminists-im-looking-at-you

    (From a well known and popular middlebrow novelist.)

    It is like shifting an idea that seems to derive from the ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’ theory, first away from the political and economic realm to racial issues, and then into the cultural, moral and existential sphere, where people are expected to impose it on themselves as a kind of act of self-abnegation, but without any obvious material sacrifices.

    I saw a good analysis some time ago, drawing originally on Lenin IIRC, about the use of ethnic conflict and division to undermine potential challenges to capital. It’s plausible that the Woke movement is something like this, created to distract the growing but inchoate opposition to globalism within Western countries.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    away from the political and economic realm to racial issue
     
    I think it has a sense of "let them eat brioche", but it's also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn't cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).

    One place in America which has flipped Republican to Democrat in last ten years, is Laguna Beach California - a city which is famous for its bourgeois lifestyle.

    This was a Reagan-Republican area in previous decades. In recent generations, Republicans have usually offered the best tax policies for the wealthy, but their brand image has been increasingly damaged (by personality of Bush and Trump, and need to gain votes from the less fashionable lower class groups in America).

    However, evidently the owners of the beach houses of Laguna beach, are not feeling too threatened by the "woke ideology" that has been associated with the Democrat Party.

    I doubt there is much fear their beautiful houses will be expropriated by their Mexican maids and LGBT friends, and they will have to escape the "woke revolution", and live in Barnaul,

    -

    This city is so bourgeois that $22 million only can buy you a medium size beach house.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEDvQnbbYo

    And yet the residents, who are part of the American ruling class, have no fear flipping to Democrats during the woke revolution. One can wonder - what kind of "revolution" this is; perhaps one of history's least scary or meaningful revolution from the perspective of the ruling classes.


    white “feminists”, defending their own prejudice by bashing other women. It’s as if they can’t stop themselves, these women of a certain age

     

    I guess her argument is against the older generation of feminists. She notices they are conservative traditionalists compared to even current not very revolutionary "woke" advertising and ideologies (which are supposed to show ethnic and sexual diversity, beyond just the inclusion of some upper class women*).

    In the second half of the 20th century, in Europe and America - feminism is an indication of women who have been to elite schools and universities. It's been a status symbol and class indicator for those postwar generations.

    This feminism has perhaps succeeded to improve the work conditions and bargaining power in relationships for the upper and middle class women. They are not the Assemblywomen of Aristophanes. Even from view of not very revolutionary "woke" ideology, people like J. K. Rowling can seem slightly embarrassing traditionalists, to be their allies.

    -

    * Even in Russian universities, the advertising has seemed to want to include ethnic diversity (i.e. African and Indian student) in the marketing photos, for some decades now. Adding just women to the marketing images is not very woke, even from perspective of universities of the second world.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    , @AaronB
    @Coconuts


    where people are expected to impose it on themselves as a kind of act of self-abnegation, but without any obvious material sacrifices
     
    .

    It's a kind of game for the elites, that seems clearly related to religious asceticism.

    It's not really unusual in the context of Western history and thinking.

    In Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, he has a long essay on the history of European asceticism that would illuminate our situation.

    Unfortunately, today we no longer read the old European thinkers or religious history, so we are dumbfounded by the obvious religious phenomena of our times.

    Our thinking is limited to the extremely shallow "materialist" explanations that barely scratch the surface (not accusing you, I just mean the usual superficial "level" at which these issues are generally discussed).

    It’s plausible that the Woke movement is something like this, created to distract the growing but inchoate opposition to globalism within Western countries.
     
    That's like saying religion was invented to keep the masses content with exploitation.

    I think religious phenomena are often put to these kinds of uses, and I think Wokeness does indeed function as a distraction, but I think it's primarily a religious and moral phenomena.

    Also, Wokeness is popular among the elite, who support globalization.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  199. @Dmitry
    @AP

    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .

    But looking at Baltimore - it is strangely beautiful work of architecture conservation, because of a lack of new buildings, and being not touched by globalization or chain shops.

    Every building is unchanged from a century in the past. But the government has stopped to invest in retiling the streets.

    Of course it's population has evidently lost its hope. Shops there are only selling alcohol that the people self-medicate with, while the illegal drugs are sold by unofficial vendors. It's not just poverty, but the population is too psychologically broken (and drug addicted) to even repaint or clean their houses.

    Baltimore is from 24:30. (at Philadelphia in 36:00 the house designs remind me of Ireland, but with of course even subrussia maintenance and income levels).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1zi2QwpOlc


    nothing wrong with hunting
     
    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.

    But writing something like is to imply that yourself are more spiritual than the hunters, and you become guilty of doing the most unpleasant kind of virtue signalling (people who claim to be spiritually superior to another person).

    Needless to say I wouldn't be very clubbable in those areas of Midwest or Deep South where your colleagues might be saying "let's shoot a bear this weekend".


    New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity
     
    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.

    But the elite lifestyle is indeed sounding like the stereotypes.


    elitists tend to be insufferably woke nowadays.
     
    "Woke" is a culture shock at first, but you might find you can habituate to it with surprising rapidity and ease.

    I was in a graduate programme in Western Europe when there were those very large terrorist attacks in Paris.

    This is the only time I really felt some culture shock from the woke politics, because most of my colleagues commented the same things "that's so terrible, those poor people - but really Europe is the guilty one, because of colonialism, etc."

    For the first second I felt like arguing, but after you heard the second or third person person saying this you know to be quiet - this is the virtue signalling culture of everyone around you, and the woke views feel local customs here, like bowing is for Japanese people.

    On the other hand, the problem of going in a closed elitist culture, is that it is a small club, and you and me would never be invited (unless were in some Philips Exeter Academy), and even if we had conformed perfectly to local customs.


    Recreational cannabis is legal in most of New England and in New York State, if that is your thing.

     

    This is a sign of some civilization in the legal sphere, other things equal.

    America (like Russia) has certain aspects of being a police state. It's more comfortable to be in a place where people are at least not being imprisoned for narcotics which should be a personal choice, and are anyway less damaging in many ways than alcohol.

    Replies: @Morton's toes, @AP

    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?

    The ones in Chicago and Detroit are more beautiful architecturally.

    In Chicago the city allowed crime to drive away the residents, then when those places became dirt cheap the criminals were taken care of and developers close to the mayor’s family bought up the property at rock bottom prices. These neighborhoods are now very expensive. The only enclave to avoid this process was Ukrainian Village – stubborn Ukrainians stayed while the Poles, Irish, etc. fled. Now their houses are worth millions.

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .

    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

    There remain enclaves of beautiful well preserved houses in Detroit, patrolled by private security. The residents of these neighborhoods are like the living humans in the Walking Dead, surrounded by zombie hordes. One such neighborhood is Indian Village:

    Not too far from there, is stuff like this:

    Fascinating place.

    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.

    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s family. I personally Wouldn’t want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.

    Anyways, outside of small towns most people in the Midwest are not hunters.

    “New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity”

    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.

    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts yes (perhaps paradoxically, Vermont has a high per capita gun ownership rate, higher than South Carolina and Georgia). Connecticut and Rhode Island were less for Biden than California and Hawaii. Maine and New Hampshire were less for Biden than Colorado, Virginia, and Illinois.

    Nearly 40% of people in Connecticut and Rhode Island, and about 45% in NH and Maine, voted for Trump. So these places are not monoliths.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @AP


    God gave to them.... tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil
     
    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else's suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

     

    I agree with you Detroit's old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects - both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It's very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.

    The ghetto in places like Kensington Philadelphia is interesting in a different way - for example, its street houses could almost be in an Irish city. It has an Irish city's population density and housing style, so it makes me think of European city planning (if Ireland can be Europe).

    It's like the ghettoization is a strange preservative of these places' history. Population is too depressed (psychologically broken), drug-addict, and poor to renovate the areas, and the crime rate prevent new investments that would introduce new buildings, or demolish old buildings.

    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhvvxoIgNPg


    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts
     

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.

    If you look at vote share for 2012 election, for example, against Mitt Romney. 5 of the top 13 states in America by vote share for Obama, are New England (and New Hampshire was 23).

    https://i.imgur.com/iGvyFuh.jpg

    The highest 1 and 2 "whitest states" by proportion of population in the USA are Maine and Vermont. (So these are number 13 and number 3 highest pro-Obama states of 50 states).

    Replies: @AP, @songbird, @Wency

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP


    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s family. I personally Wouldn’t want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.
     
    I wouldn't want to kill a bear, or a wolf, or even a boar. OTOH, I'd have no issues with shooting something like a rabbit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbqvqf3-14

    Nature's buffet table. Consumed by anyone or anything that cares to.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AaronB
    @AP

    In the 19th century, the dominant architectural philosophy was "neo-Gothic" - everything Medieval was becoming popular again, as people were - in the arts - revolting against scientific civilization.

    In the 18th century, everyone built in the Classical style, because the Enlightenment was supposed to reflect Greece and Rome.

    In the 20th century, the dominant architectural philosophy demanded straight, mathematical lines, a complete absence - even a contempt for - ornament and decoration as "backwards", and a "style" that was supposed to reflect science and modernity and abstraction.

    So we built either utterly drab buildings - because modern scientific men have evolved beyond ornament and decoration and care only about the "functional" - or when we were more ambitious, we built actual monstrosities that assault the mind and senses.

    What a decline in culture!

    As a great Frenchmen said - from the caveman to modern man, what a decline! (I paraphrase).

    The really interesting question is, when our philosophy of life once again turns towards emotion and beauty, the organic and the natural, what will out buildings reflect?

    The Medieval as the repository of imagination and emotion no longer has the same symbolical value for us, and us too parochial in a globalized world anyways.

    We will have to - gasp - become original :)

    We will not be epigones, like the 18th and 19th centuries, we will be creating an original organic civilization.

    Replies: @AaronB

  200. @Wency
    @Yellowface Anon

    I don't think you get my point. Yes, Trumpists are able to garner a significant minority of the vote. But very few Trumpists and very many rabid anti-Trumpists are placed in elite society. Trumpists have a massive human capital problem. DC political operatives and bureaucrats (including the FBI and CIA) almost uniformly despise the man. You cannot make the machinery of government do anything without these people. If that wasn't clear already, it should be a clear takeaway from the ineffectual Trump Presidency.

    For Trumpists to wield the sort of power you're describing, they would have to basically destroy the Federal government, build a new one from scratch without the benefit of anyone who has any idea how to do that, and win a civil war against a left backed by 95% of the institutional power, 95% of the economic power, and somewhere between 60-80% of the population. Far more likely is that if any Republican tried such a thing, the Democrats and all of elite society would call for the President to be arrested, the FBI would arrest him, the military would refuse to stop them, and that would be that.

    The SPD was the biggest party in Weimar Germany for most of its existence, but they had nothing like the cultural stranglehold that the contemporary left does over American culture and institutions. The Nazis were able to come to power legally and without a civil war because in Weimar Germany, there were many elites in very high places within the military, industry, and the intelligentsia who, while usually not Nazis themselves pre-1932, were conservative German nationalists of various stripes who were skeptical of the republic, terrified of Communism, and cautiously optimistic about the rise of the Nazis. There is no analogy to this in the US, except on the left, which has all this power and more. It is for this reason that a leftist totalitarian government has a good chance of happening in the US, which a rightist one is, for all practical purposes, impossible.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    Those are al true, but the tides are rapidly turning, like in Revolutionary France so the chance isn’t negligible. And you are right in being wary of left-wing totalitarianism, especially one actively prosecuting the White majority/plurality thru genocides (what White Nationalists have been saying doesn’t count, I am thinking of Holodomor and concentration camps)

  201. @Coconuts

    It’s not really emerging though, but rather “ersatz” substitution by owners of the capital good – that’s instead of real equality via important categories (jobs, income, house size, etc), we provide some “ersatz” equality crusade on relatively unimportant things like LGBT minorities, or adding some melanin (Obama) to the president.
     
    It does seem to work as a kind of mystification concealing the sources of real economic and social power, this is why some aspects of the left wing tradition are much more interesting to the Woke than others. Class and economic factors are minimised, as is the realist and rationalistic content, the parts that seem to interest them most are the ones with strange, complex and paradoxical content and that can be used to enable certain kinds of authoritarianism.

    Some IMO very unusual content is being generated and propagated, things like this:

    https://joannechocolat.tumblr.com/post/660939774039932928/white-feminists-im-looking-at-you

    (From a well known and popular middlebrow novelist.)

    It is like shifting an idea that seems to derive from the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' theory, first away from the political and economic realm to racial issues, and then into the cultural, moral and existential sphere, where people are expected to impose it on themselves as a kind of act of self-abnegation, but without any obvious material sacrifices.

    I saw a good analysis some time ago, drawing originally on Lenin IIRC, about the use of ethnic conflict and division to undermine potential challenges to capital. It's plausible that the Woke movement is something like this, created to distract the growing but inchoate opposition to globalism within Western countries.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AaronB

    away from the political and economic realm to racial issue

    I think it has a sense of “let them eat brioche”, but it’s also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn’t cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).

    One place in America which has flipped Republican to Democrat in last ten years, is Laguna Beach California – a city which is famous for its bourgeois lifestyle.

    This was a Reagan-Republican area in previous decades. In recent generations, Republicans have usually offered the best tax policies for the wealthy, but their brand image has been increasingly damaged (by personality of Bush and Trump, and need to gain votes from the less fashionable lower class groups in America).

    However, evidently the owners of the beach houses of Laguna beach, are not feeling too threatened by the “woke ideology” that has been associated with the Democrat Party.

    I doubt there is much fear their beautiful houses will be expropriated by their Mexican maids and LGBT friends, and they will have to escape the “woke revolution”, and live in Barnaul,

    This city is so bourgeois that \$22 million only can buy you a medium size beach house.

    And yet the residents, who are part of the American ruling class, have no fear flipping to Democrats during the woke revolution. One can wonder – what kind of “revolution” this is; perhaps one of history’s least scary or meaningful revolution from the perspective of the ruling classes.

    white “feminists”, defending their own prejudice by bashing other women. It’s as if they can’t stop themselves, these women of a certain age

    I guess her argument is against the older generation of feminists. She notices they are conservative traditionalists compared to even current not very revolutionary “woke” advertising and ideologies (which are supposed to show ethnic and sexual diversity, beyond just the inclusion of some upper class women*).

    In the second half of the 20th century, in Europe and America – feminism is an indication of women who have been to elite schools and universities. It’s been a status symbol and class indicator for those postwar generations.

    This feminism has perhaps succeeded to improve the work conditions and bargaining power in relationships for the upper and middle class women. They are not the Assemblywomen of Aristophanes. Even from view of not very revolutionary “woke” ideology, people like J. K. Rowling can seem slightly embarrassing traditionalists, to be their allies.

    * Even in Russian universities, the advertising has seemed to want to include ethnic diversity (i.e. African and Indian student) in the marketing photos, for some decades now. Adding just women to the marketing images is not very woke, even from perspective of universities of the second world.

    • Agree: AP
    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    The last point is more like a ploy to attract actual students from the Perpheral countries instead of diversity virtue signaling. It's at least correct marketing (whether Russian unis need those students is another matter)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @sher singh
    @Dmitry

    We could use some wokeness in Italy & Denmark which try to ban the Kirpan.

    , @Coconuts
    @Dmitry


    I think it has a sense of “let them eat brioche”, but it’s also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn’t cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).
     
    I think this is largely true, but there are a couple of additional interesting novelties in that piece that are distinctly Woke:

    The introduction of unconscious bias/false consciousness as a relevant and significant factor. Who has the authority to say when a person is experiencing false consciousness or not?

    The idea that the oppressed should be listened attentively and what they say accepted largely uncritically, which establishes a kind of one sided relationship. But this only counts for those with authentic experiences of oppression, who are not influenced by false consciousness. This is the only way pervasive but apparently invisible systems of racist power can be dismantled (which is also a very pressing need due to the imminent possibility of a Fascist takeover).

    Now in the UK a lot of this stuff is being introduced and propagated in a top down way towards the lower levels, via bureaucracy and important institutions, and cultural figures like Harris. These higher level people ultimately seem to retain the authority to say when a person is experiencing false consciousness and is unaware of the real motivations behind their actions and thinking, and which persons have an 'authentic' experience of oppression or an 'authentic' marginalised identity.

    It seems to be a useful extension of political power and sovereignty via cultural/bureaucratic means for those who promote it or are seen as authoritative voices within it.
  202. @AP
    @Dmitry


    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?
     
    The ones in Chicago and Detroit are more beautiful architecturally.

    In Chicago the city allowed crime to drive away the residents, then when those places became dirt cheap the criminals were taken care of and developers close to the mayor's family bought up the property at rock bottom prices. These neighborhoods are now very expensive. The only enclave to avoid this process was Ukrainian Village - stubborn Ukrainians stayed while the Poles, Irish, etc. fled. Now their houses are worth millions.

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .
     
    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

    https://lemacks.com/wp-content/uploads/1881-Alfred-Street-Brush-park-20-x-10-panoramic-1-768x402.jpg

    There remain enclaves of beautiful well preserved houses in Detroit, patrolled by private security. The residents of these neighborhoods are like the living humans in the Walking Dead, surrounded by zombie hordes. One such neighborhood is Indian Village:

    https://www.lifeinmichigan.com/wp-content/gallery/indian-village-detroit-home-tour-2015/Indian-Village-Home-Tour-Detroit-2015-33.jpg

    Not too far from there, is stuff like this:

    http://calsound.net/memoir/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_4842.jpg

    Fascinating place.

    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.
     
    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one's family. I personally Wouldn't want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.

    Anyways, outside of small towns most people in the Midwest are not hunters.

    "New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity"

    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.
     
    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts yes (perhaps paradoxically, Vermont has a high per capita gun ownership rate, higher than South Carolina and Georgia). Connecticut and Rhode Island were less for Biden than California and Hawaii. Maine and New Hampshire were less for Biden than Colorado, Virginia, and Illinois.

    Nearly 40% of people in Connecticut and Rhode Island, and about 45% in NH and Maine, voted for Trump. So these places are not monoliths.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @AaronB

    God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.

    The ghetto in places like Kensington Philadelphia is interesting in a different way – for example, its street houses could almost be in an Irish city. It has an Irish city’s population density and housing style, so it makes me think of European city planning (if Ireland can be Europe).

    It’s like the ghettoization is a strange preservative of these places’ history. Population is too depressed (psychologically broken), drug-addict, and poor to renovate the areas, and the crime rate prevent new investments that would introduce new buildings, or demolish old buildings.

    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).

    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.

    If you look at vote share for 2012 election, for example, against Mitt Romney. 5 of the top 13 states in America by vote share for Obama, are New England (and New Hampshire was 23).

    The highest 1 and 2 “whitest states” by proportion of population in the USA are Maine and Vermont. (So these are number 13 and number 3 highest pro-Obama states of 50 states).

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    "God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil"

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     

    Inuit can also buy food if they want. No, the hunters I know were taught to hunt by their fathers. They wake up very early, spend hours in nature, and try to kill the animal painlessly. The killing while essential is not the main point. It is about more than that. There is no sadistic pleasure in that.

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.
     

    Detroit wasn't like medieval Paris but the new Parisian planning of the 19th century, characterized by wide boulevards (that destroyed much of old Paris) and beautiful buildings, deliberately made in the French style. Detroit plan:

    https://wdet.org/media/daguerre/2017/09/08/854a5f36caf7d8901af9.jpeg

    So Detroit's Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/01/5e/17015e27aceb914a5f8e752af0c36139.jpg

    This was built on the same avenue, in 1888:

    https://www.detroityes.com/webisodes/2000/16ferry/04FerryStBbhecker.jpg

    Detroit's Fox Theater, on Woodward:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/4112/5064169234_69284a7f75_b.jpg

    Of course many other buildings there now look like this:

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/In-1982-the-building-was-listed-under-the-National-Register-of-Historic-Places.-640x426.jpg


    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
     
    I once accidentally walked right into the middle of such a neighborhood in Vancouver, because I decided to walk to Chinatown from downtown. I didn't realize that to get there one had to walk through their skid row. Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans), and there were many more of them. They were harmless as they shuffled along, though some tried to approach.

    "You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts"

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.
     

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England other than Massachusetts in 1988.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Morton's toes, @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    , @songbird
    @Dmitry

    With Vermont, many people have moved to it. The original population of Yankee farmers would never have voted for Obama.

    I think the Doom is descending on Baltimore (which you mentioned a couple of posts back.) It has passed a demographic threshold where it will likely become the next Detroit.

    , @Wency
    @Dmitry


    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     
    I didn't hear if you are in fact a vegetarian. I can respect the moral consistency and self-sacrifice of vegetarianism. But the attitude that it's wrong to kill one's meat, that it needs to be outsourced to factory farms and converted into unrecognizable and bite-sized form factors -- that's bankrupt. It's a desire to sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts and in your soul that to eat meat is to kill.

    If hunting is enjoyable to man, it's because man is by nature a hunter. I'm sure it's also enjoyable to the wolf.

    I also wouldn't call it postindustrial "boredom". Boredom is what makes us play video games and post at unz.com. The longing to get back to nature is rather a mark of the contrived nature of a society that has us live a lifestyle which, while easy, is not one to which we're adapted. And sure, all our ways of accessing nature are somewhat contrived as well, but what can you do?

    Replies: @Dmitry

  203. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    away from the political and economic realm to racial issue
     
    I think it has a sense of "let them eat brioche", but it's also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn't cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).

    One place in America which has flipped Republican to Democrat in last ten years, is Laguna Beach California - a city which is famous for its bourgeois lifestyle.

    This was a Reagan-Republican area in previous decades. In recent generations, Republicans have usually offered the best tax policies for the wealthy, but their brand image has been increasingly damaged (by personality of Bush and Trump, and need to gain votes from the less fashionable lower class groups in America).

    However, evidently the owners of the beach houses of Laguna beach, are not feeling too threatened by the "woke ideology" that has been associated with the Democrat Party.

    I doubt there is much fear their beautiful houses will be expropriated by their Mexican maids and LGBT friends, and they will have to escape the "woke revolution", and live in Barnaul,

    -

    This city is so bourgeois that $22 million only can buy you a medium size beach house.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEDvQnbbYo

    And yet the residents, who are part of the American ruling class, have no fear flipping to Democrats during the woke revolution. One can wonder - what kind of "revolution" this is; perhaps one of history's least scary or meaningful revolution from the perspective of the ruling classes.


    white “feminists”, defending their own prejudice by bashing other women. It’s as if they can’t stop themselves, these women of a certain age

     

    I guess her argument is against the older generation of feminists. She notices they are conservative traditionalists compared to even current not very revolutionary "woke" advertising and ideologies (which are supposed to show ethnic and sexual diversity, beyond just the inclusion of some upper class women*).

    In the second half of the 20th century, in Europe and America - feminism is an indication of women who have been to elite schools and universities. It's been a status symbol and class indicator for those postwar generations.

    This feminism has perhaps succeeded to improve the work conditions and bargaining power in relationships for the upper and middle class women. They are not the Assemblywomen of Aristophanes. Even from view of not very revolutionary "woke" ideology, people like J. K. Rowling can seem slightly embarrassing traditionalists, to be their allies.

    -

    * Even in Russian universities, the advertising has seemed to want to include ethnic diversity (i.e. African and Indian student) in the marketing photos, for some decades now. Adding just women to the marketing images is not very woke, even from perspective of universities of the second world.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    The last point is more like a ploy to attract actual students from the Perpheral countries instead of diversity virtue signaling. It’s at least correct marketing (whether Russian unis need those students is another matter)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Yellowface Anon

    There is a marketing for those student for international marketing.

    But there is also the fact that for the domestic marketing, there is one diverse appearing student, you know they have high probability to become a star in the paper marketing brochure (they send to schools). And this was like this for many years now.

    If in any video, they can be any few "diverse" students - you know they will desperately search for this one particular image to use as a thumbnail to try to look "cool", even if it was the only moment in the whole video. They have to search through a whole video for one moment, to find such a cool thumbnail.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZ4s5ywzgdc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRL3SfprHs

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TlRb21i01o


    whether Russian unis need those students is another matter)
     
    Yes they definitely need some foreign students to help pay bills. ("Second world problems")
  204. @Yellowface Anon
    @Dmitry

    The last point is more like a ploy to attract actual students from the Perpheral countries instead of diversity virtue signaling. It's at least correct marketing (whether Russian unis need those students is another matter)

    Replies: @Dmitry

    There is a marketing for those student for international marketing.

    But there is also the fact that for the domestic marketing, there is one diverse appearing student, you know they have high probability to become a star in the paper marketing brochure (they send to schools). And this was like this for many years now.

    If in any video, they can be any few “diverse” students – you know they will desperately search for this one particular image to use as a thumbnail to try to look “cool”, even if it was the only moment in the whole video. They have to search through a whole video for one moment, to find such a cool thumbnail.

    whether Russian unis need those students is another matter)

    Yes they definitely need some foreign students to help pay bills. (“Second world problems”)

  205. @Dmitry
    @AP


    God gave to them.... tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil
     
    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else's suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

     

    I agree with you Detroit's old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects - both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It's very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.

    The ghetto in places like Kensington Philadelphia is interesting in a different way - for example, its street houses could almost be in an Irish city. It has an Irish city's population density and housing style, so it makes me think of European city planning (if Ireland can be Europe).

    It's like the ghettoization is a strange preservative of these places' history. Population is too depressed (psychologically broken), drug-addict, and poor to renovate the areas, and the crime rate prevent new investments that would introduce new buildings, or demolish old buildings.

    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhvvxoIgNPg


    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts
     

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.

    If you look at vote share for 2012 election, for example, against Mitt Romney. 5 of the top 13 states in America by vote share for Obama, are New England (and New Hampshire was 23).

    https://i.imgur.com/iGvyFuh.jpg

    The highest 1 and 2 "whitest states" by proportion of population in the USA are Maine and Vermont. (So these are number 13 and number 3 highest pro-Obama states of 50 states).

    Replies: @AP, @songbird, @Wency

    “God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil”

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    Inuit can also buy food if they want. No, the hunters I know were taught to hunt by their fathers. They wake up very early, spend hours in nature, and try to kill the animal painlessly. The killing while essential is not the main point. It is about more than that. There is no sadistic pleasure in that.

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.

    Detroit wasn’t like medieval Paris but the new Parisian planning of the 19th century, characterized by wide boulevards (that destroyed much of old Paris) and beautiful buildings, deliberately made in the French style. Detroit plan:

    So Detroit’s Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées:

    This was built on the same avenue, in 1888:

    Detroit’s Fox Theater, on Woodward:

    Of course many other buildings there now look like this:

    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).

    I once accidentally walked right into the middle of such a neighborhood in Vancouver, because I decided to walk to Chinatown from downtown. I didn’t realize that to get there one had to walk through their skid row. Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans), and there were many more of them. They were harmless as they shuffled along, though some tried to approach.

    “You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts”

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England other than Massachusetts in 1988.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP

    Some of the photos of the homes that you've included remind me of ones that you can easily encounter in some of the older posh neighborhoods of Minneapols, especially in the Kenwood and the Calhoun-Isles communities. I think that both you and Dmitry would really enjoy spending some time walking around these inner city lake neighborhoods. Later on, the patricians decided to moveout to the country, western suburbs today, in what is known as the Minnetonka and Chaska areas, but that's another story.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/86/7c/58867c85448fbc64ab9f7dc9b354ac45.jpg
    The fictitious home of Mary Tyler Moore in the long running and popular TV sitcom. 2104 Kenwood Parkway

    https://edinarealtyimages.blob.core.windows.net/listing/RMLS/2740-W-Lake-Of-The-Isles-Parkway-Minneapolis-MN-55416-4776249-image1.jpg
    We were taking a small excursion and I took a photo of some of my friends sitting on the steps in front of this quaint statuette. You seldom see the owners of these homes in their yards. :-)

    , @Morton's toes
    @AP

    That jewelry store looks like a big box outlet. I wonder how many Rolex Presidents are in inventory right now in all Detroit combined. They might not sum to much more than that one Roehm Wright. They must have sold out before the internet because search didn't find me anything.

    In 1950 Detroit was the boomest town ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Dmitry
    @AP


    Inuit can also buy food
     
    These are poor people who need to hunt for food. It's excluding them (mostly) from the category of killing for pleasure.

    They wake up very early, spend hours in nature
     
    As for spending time in nature, if they (your friends) are not consumers of the most unnatural paraphernalia and hi-tech equipment, then it can become more believable as a motivation.

    In YouTube, American hunter culture appears more of very unnatural people who are addicted to purchasing military technology and "outdoor equipment" to modify their experience, before they can lose the fear of going into a forest.

    If you wanted natural nightime experience with the animal, you wouldn't need nightvision equipment to execute them. I understand coyote is a pest for farmers, but YouTubers are killing for the pleasure of the execution. Look in the way they label and describe their videos.

    People with this personality type, would be useful to hire to "work" for the NKVD (that is a person who enjoys the execution part of the job, would be a well motivated employee).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVAj-YQNhac


    Detroit’s Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées
     
    It looks cool indeed, but like Manhattan more than Paris.
    https://goo.gl/maps/EstmBnzjeq5Ypphs9

    not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England
     
    As I understand, at this time of late 1980s the Democrats still had a more working class base compared to today, and Republicans had momentum of Reagan - who had been very successful at representing bourgeoisie's interests.

    In the 1990s, Bill Clinton has realigned somewhat Democrat's orientation, promoting policies like government austerity in public spending, promoting free trade and NAFTA (that benefits the coastal economy, but damages the working class Democrat manufacturing jobs in "Steel Belt"), etc, - and at the same time providing these policies with a more socially acceptable face than Reagan could.


    Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans)
     
    This would interesting to see. How did you find Vancouver otherwise - is it as great as everyone says?

    Usually the most psychologically broken, and then drug-addicted, populations are those from pre-industrial, even pre-agricultural, cultures, that were thrown thousands of years forward into the modern world without consenting to exit their previous stage of history. These people like Tuvans, Native Americans, African-Americans, etc.

    Although it's interesting to watch on the Nick Johnson channel, he visited a lot of "white ghettos" in America as well. Even some European-Americans in certain uninvested parts of the country, have become mentally broken and creating of ghettos.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Dmitry
    @AP


    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary
     
    Obama's popularity by state against Romney matches a lot to the income level of the state.

    It's surprising because Romney was the most adequate, intelligent and professional Republican candidate so far this century. But Obama was apparently like political opium of the higher income regions of America.

    Here are top states in America by median income.

    https://i.imgur.com/uQ3Nrjh.jpg

    And here are top states in America by proportion of the population who voted for Obama instead of Mitt Romney in 2012.

    https://i.imgur.com/BqkpBZ7.jpg

    Excluding a few unusual states like Alaska (higher income but not pro-Obama), Michigan (no-high income, but pro-Obama) and Utah (quite high income, but was by far the most pro-Romney voting state in all of USA in 2012), they are very similar lists. E.g. California 7th in income, and 8th in pro-Obama.

    Replies: @AP

  206. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    away from the political and economic realm to racial issue
     
    I think it has a sense of "let them eat brioche", but it's also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn't cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).

    One place in America which has flipped Republican to Democrat in last ten years, is Laguna Beach California - a city which is famous for its bourgeois lifestyle.

    This was a Reagan-Republican area in previous decades. In recent generations, Republicans have usually offered the best tax policies for the wealthy, but their brand image has been increasingly damaged (by personality of Bush and Trump, and need to gain votes from the less fashionable lower class groups in America).

    However, evidently the owners of the beach houses of Laguna beach, are not feeling too threatened by the "woke ideology" that has been associated with the Democrat Party.

    I doubt there is much fear their beautiful houses will be expropriated by their Mexican maids and LGBT friends, and they will have to escape the "woke revolution", and live in Barnaul,

    -

    This city is so bourgeois that $22 million only can buy you a medium size beach house.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEDvQnbbYo

    And yet the residents, who are part of the American ruling class, have no fear flipping to Democrats during the woke revolution. One can wonder - what kind of "revolution" this is; perhaps one of history's least scary or meaningful revolution from the perspective of the ruling classes.


    white “feminists”, defending their own prejudice by bashing other women. It’s as if they can’t stop themselves, these women of a certain age

     

    I guess her argument is against the older generation of feminists. She notices they are conservative traditionalists compared to even current not very revolutionary "woke" advertising and ideologies (which are supposed to show ethnic and sexual diversity, beyond just the inclusion of some upper class women*).

    In the second half of the 20th century, in Europe and America - feminism is an indication of women who have been to elite schools and universities. It's been a status symbol and class indicator for those postwar generations.

    This feminism has perhaps succeeded to improve the work conditions and bargaining power in relationships for the upper and middle class women. They are not the Assemblywomen of Aristophanes. Even from view of not very revolutionary "woke" ideology, people like J. K. Rowling can seem slightly embarrassing traditionalists, to be their allies.

    -

    * Even in Russian universities, the advertising has seemed to want to include ethnic diversity (i.e. African and Indian student) in the marketing photos, for some decades now. Adding just women to the marketing images is not very woke, even from perspective of universities of the second world.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    We could use some wokeness in Italy & Denmark which try to ban the Kirpan.

  207. @AP
    @Dmitry


    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?
     
    The ones in Chicago and Detroit are more beautiful architecturally.

    In Chicago the city allowed crime to drive away the residents, then when those places became dirt cheap the criminals were taken care of and developers close to the mayor's family bought up the property at rock bottom prices. These neighborhoods are now very expensive. The only enclave to avoid this process was Ukrainian Village - stubborn Ukrainians stayed while the Poles, Irish, etc. fled. Now their houses are worth millions.

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .
     
    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

    https://lemacks.com/wp-content/uploads/1881-Alfred-Street-Brush-park-20-x-10-panoramic-1-768x402.jpg

    There remain enclaves of beautiful well preserved houses in Detroit, patrolled by private security. The residents of these neighborhoods are like the living humans in the Walking Dead, surrounded by zombie hordes. One such neighborhood is Indian Village:

    https://www.lifeinmichigan.com/wp-content/gallery/indian-village-detroit-home-tour-2015/Indian-Village-Home-Tour-Detroit-2015-33.jpg

    Not too far from there, is stuff like this:

    http://calsound.net/memoir/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_4842.jpg

    Fascinating place.

    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.
     
    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one's family. I personally Wouldn't want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.

    Anyways, outside of small towns most people in the Midwest are not hunters.

    "New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity"

    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.
     
    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts yes (perhaps paradoxically, Vermont has a high per capita gun ownership rate, higher than South Carolina and Georgia). Connecticut and Rhode Island were less for Biden than California and Hawaii. Maine and New Hampshire were less for Biden than Colorado, Virginia, and Illinois.

    Nearly 40% of people in Connecticut and Rhode Island, and about 45% in NH and Maine, voted for Trump. So these places are not monoliths.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @AaronB

    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s family. I personally Wouldn’t want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.

    I wouldn’t want to kill a bear, or a wolf, or even a boar. OTOH, I’d have no issues with shooting something like a rabbit.

    Nature’s buffet table. Consumed by anyone or anything that cares to.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Have eaten bear. IMO, you'd have to be pretty desperate for meat to want to eat it. (Rather heavy and greasy) Also, if you have seen too many live performances with bears, where they dunk a basketball or ride around on a type of scooter, it would be hard to pull the trigger.

    Think I would have a similar problem with wolves. That may be a question for a spiritual conclave of Euros, if dog is verboten, is it okay to eat wolf or coyote? What about if there is a little bit of a dog in them, as there often is?

    Would like to eat boar. (And I think pigs are relatively intelligent, and boar probably more so.)

    Have only eaten rabbit once. Thought it was horrible, but it wasn't in a stew or cooked by a chef.

    With turkeys, for Americans, there is a desire to eat the turkey of your grandfather's day, before it was bred to fat. They are quite common nowadays, and I have seen them in the nearer suburbs of Boston.

    Deer have always struck me as having small heads. Though I was once very impressed by a fawn trying to headbutt my much larger dog inbetween calls for its mother. (The mother leaves them to feed.)

    Replies: @Wency

  208. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP


    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s family. I personally Wouldn’t want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.
     
    I wouldn't want to kill a bear, or a wolf, or even a boar. OTOH, I'd have no issues with shooting something like a rabbit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbqvqf3-14

    Nature's buffet table. Consumed by anyone or anything that cares to.

    Replies: @songbird

    Have eaten bear. IMO, you’d have to be pretty desperate for meat to want to eat it. (Rather heavy and greasy) Also, if you have seen too many live performances with bears, where they dunk a basketball or ride around on a type of scooter, it would be hard to pull the trigger.

    Think I would have a similar problem with wolves. That may be a question for a spiritual conclave of Euros, if dog is verboten, is it okay to eat wolf or coyote? What about if there is a little bit of a dog in them, as there often is?

    Would like to eat boar. (And I think pigs are relatively intelligent, and boar probably more so.)

    Have only eaten rabbit once. Thought it was horrible, but it wasn’t in a stew or cooked by a chef.

    With turkeys, for Americans, there is a desire to eat the turkey of your grandfather’s day, before it was bred to fat. They are quite common nowadays, and I have seen them in the nearer suburbs of Boston.

    Deer have always struck me as having small heads. Though I was once very impressed by a fawn trying to headbutt my much larger dog inbetween calls for its mother. (The mother leaves them to feed.)

    • Replies: @Wency
    @songbird

    The other problem with bear is it's a meat that definitely needs to be cooked very well. Bears will eat anything and so parasite risk is very high. I recall a tale from some years back where some French hunters visited Canada, ate raw bear, and got very sick from trichinosis. I love raw meat and respect the French penchant for it -- I could eat steak tartare for days -- but bad idea, fellas.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  209. @Dmitry
    @AP


    God gave to them.... tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil
     
    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else's suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

     

    I agree with you Detroit's old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects - both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It's very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.

    The ghetto in places like Kensington Philadelphia is interesting in a different way - for example, its street houses could almost be in an Irish city. It has an Irish city's population density and housing style, so it makes me think of European city planning (if Ireland can be Europe).

    It's like the ghettoization is a strange preservative of these places' history. Population is too depressed (psychologically broken), drug-addict, and poor to renovate the areas, and the crime rate prevent new investments that would introduce new buildings, or demolish old buildings.

    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhvvxoIgNPg


    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts
     

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.

    If you look at vote share for 2012 election, for example, against Mitt Romney. 5 of the top 13 states in America by vote share for Obama, are New England (and New Hampshire was 23).

    https://i.imgur.com/iGvyFuh.jpg

    The highest 1 and 2 "whitest states" by proportion of population in the USA are Maine and Vermont. (So these are number 13 and number 3 highest pro-Obama states of 50 states).

    Replies: @AP, @songbird, @Wency

    With Vermont, many people have moved to it. The original population of Yankee farmers would never have voted for Obama.

    I think the Doom is descending on Baltimore (which you mentioned a couple of posts back.) It has passed a demographic threshold where it will likely become the next Detroit.

  210. BTW, I wish someone would make a video game that explores what happened to Detroit, something that would be translated into different languages.

    I was thinking of a time-traveling gimmick that explores different parts of the city’s history. Like blacks being brought in for WWI production or to break strikes. Or kids being forced at gunpoint to go to integrated schools. Welfare. The black mayor being elected. The riots. The general decay.

    It would have to be something a small group of people could make. Maybe, a beat ’em up or jrpg. “Detroit: Become Black.” The more difficult levels would be the ones with more blacks.

    • LOL: Wency
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    As if wiping away the Blacks in Detroit will reverse long-standing deindustrialization (which took the main rationale for Detroit's erstwhile existence away and largely led to the blight the city has)

    Replies: @songbird

  211. @AP
    @Dmitry


    "God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil"

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     

    Inuit can also buy food if they want. No, the hunters I know were taught to hunt by their fathers. They wake up very early, spend hours in nature, and try to kill the animal painlessly. The killing while essential is not the main point. It is about more than that. There is no sadistic pleasure in that.

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.
     

    Detroit wasn't like medieval Paris but the new Parisian planning of the 19th century, characterized by wide boulevards (that destroyed much of old Paris) and beautiful buildings, deliberately made in the French style. Detroit plan:

    https://wdet.org/media/daguerre/2017/09/08/854a5f36caf7d8901af9.jpeg

    So Detroit's Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/01/5e/17015e27aceb914a5f8e752af0c36139.jpg

    This was built on the same avenue, in 1888:

    https://www.detroityes.com/webisodes/2000/16ferry/04FerryStBbhecker.jpg

    Detroit's Fox Theater, on Woodward:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/4112/5064169234_69284a7f75_b.jpg

    Of course many other buildings there now look like this:

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/In-1982-the-building-was-listed-under-the-National-Register-of-Historic-Places.-640x426.jpg


    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
     
    I once accidentally walked right into the middle of such a neighborhood in Vancouver, because I decided to walk to Chinatown from downtown. I didn't realize that to get there one had to walk through their skid row. Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans), and there were many more of them. They were harmless as they shuffled along, though some tried to approach.

    "You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts"

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.
     

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England other than Massachusetts in 1988.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Morton's toes, @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    Some of the photos of the homes that you’ve included remind me of ones that you can easily encounter in some of the older posh neighborhoods of Minneapols, especially in the Kenwood and the Calhoun-Isles communities. I think that both you and Dmitry would really enjoy spending some time walking around these inner city lake neighborhoods. Later on, the patricians decided to moveout to the country, western suburbs today, in what is known as the Minnetonka and Chaska areas, but that’s another story.
    The fictitious home of Mary Tyler Moore in the long running and popular TV sitcom. 2104 Kenwood Parkway
    We were taking a small excursion and I took a photo of some of my friends sitting on the steps in front of this quaint statuette. You seldom see the owners of these homes in their yards. 🙂

  212. @songbird
    BTW, I wish someone would make a video game that explores what happened to Detroit, something that would be translated into different languages.

    I was thinking of a time-traveling gimmick that explores different parts of the city's history. Like blacks being brought in for WWI production or to break strikes. Or kids being forced at gunpoint to go to integrated schools. Welfare. The black mayor being elected. The riots. The general decay.

    It would have to be something a small group of people could make. Maybe, a beat 'em up or jrpg. "Detroit: Become Black." The more difficult levels would be the ones with more blacks.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    As if wiping away the Blacks in Detroit will reverse long-standing deindustrialization (which took the main rationale for Detroit’s erstwhile existence away and largely led to the blight the city has)

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Deindustrialization might explain blight in a small steel town in the middle of nowhere, but it does not explain blight in a major city like Detroit. The suburbs are still there. It is still fundamentally a good location - not the middle of north Siberia.

    The blight is because people don't want to invest in it. Otherwise all the abandoned factories would become condos. That is deindustrialization in a major city, where there isn't a demographic problem.

    Detroit's dysfunction began earlier. During the '67 riots, unemployment was very low. It was one of the most prosperous places in the world. When barbarians burn 1400 buildings, civilized people will inevitably notice and flee. Even the barbarians will flee, looking to ensconce themselves among others.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

  213. @AP
    @Dmitry


    "God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil"

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     

    Inuit can also buy food if they want. No, the hunters I know were taught to hunt by their fathers. They wake up very early, spend hours in nature, and try to kill the animal painlessly. The killing while essential is not the main point. It is about more than that. There is no sadistic pleasure in that.

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.
     

    Detroit wasn't like medieval Paris but the new Parisian planning of the 19th century, characterized by wide boulevards (that destroyed much of old Paris) and beautiful buildings, deliberately made in the French style. Detroit plan:

    https://wdet.org/media/daguerre/2017/09/08/854a5f36caf7d8901af9.jpeg

    So Detroit's Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/01/5e/17015e27aceb914a5f8e752af0c36139.jpg

    This was built on the same avenue, in 1888:

    https://www.detroityes.com/webisodes/2000/16ferry/04FerryStBbhecker.jpg

    Detroit's Fox Theater, on Woodward:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/4112/5064169234_69284a7f75_b.jpg

    Of course many other buildings there now look like this:

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/In-1982-the-building-was-listed-under-the-National-Register-of-Historic-Places.-640x426.jpg


    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
     
    I once accidentally walked right into the middle of such a neighborhood in Vancouver, because I decided to walk to Chinatown from downtown. I didn't realize that to get there one had to walk through their skid row. Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans), and there were many more of them. They were harmless as they shuffled along, though some tried to approach.

    "You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts"

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.
     

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England other than Massachusetts in 1988.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Morton's toes, @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    That jewelry store looks like a big box outlet. I wonder how many Rolex Presidents are in inventory right now in all Detroit combined. They might not sum to much more than that one Roehm Wright. They must have sold out before the internet because search didn’t find me anything.

    In 1950 Detroit was the boomest town ever.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Morton's toes

    Detroit was going downhill fast by the early 1970's. This reversal of fortune precipitated a large outflow of inner city white folks to the surrounding suburbs and further north. Well, that was already more than half a century ago...Were the automobile manufacturing plants already shutting down and being outsourced to other countries back then? Where were the labor unions and the Democratic party when all of this was going on? And now, we're to believe that these same charlatans are going to revive the economy today? Are we to believe the latest fairytale that the Democrats are weaving that "good paying jobs" will return with the advent of the solar energy boom right ahead? Trouble is, the green energy story has been around since the early 80's....

  214. @Morton's toes
    @AP

    That jewelry store looks like a big box outlet. I wonder how many Rolex Presidents are in inventory right now in all Detroit combined. They might not sum to much more than that one Roehm Wright. They must have sold out before the internet because search didn't find me anything.

    In 1950 Detroit was the boomest town ever.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Detroit was going downhill fast by the early 1970’s. This reversal of fortune precipitated a large outflow of inner city white folks to the surrounding suburbs and further north. Well, that was already more than half a century ago…Were the automobile manufacturing plants already shutting down and being outsourced to other countries back then? Where were the labor unions and the Democratic party when all of this was going on? And now, we’re to believe that these same charlatans are going to revive the economy today? Are we to believe the latest fairytale that the Democrats are weaving that “good paying jobs” will return with the advent of the solar energy boom right ahead? Trouble is, the green energy story has been around since the early 80’s….

  215. @songbird
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Have eaten bear. IMO, you'd have to be pretty desperate for meat to want to eat it. (Rather heavy and greasy) Also, if you have seen too many live performances with bears, where they dunk a basketball or ride around on a type of scooter, it would be hard to pull the trigger.

    Think I would have a similar problem with wolves. That may be a question for a spiritual conclave of Euros, if dog is verboten, is it okay to eat wolf or coyote? What about if there is a little bit of a dog in them, as there often is?

    Would like to eat boar. (And I think pigs are relatively intelligent, and boar probably more so.)

    Have only eaten rabbit once. Thought it was horrible, but it wasn't in a stew or cooked by a chef.

    With turkeys, for Americans, there is a desire to eat the turkey of your grandfather's day, before it was bred to fat. They are quite common nowadays, and I have seen them in the nearer suburbs of Boston.

    Deer have always struck me as having small heads. Though I was once very impressed by a fawn trying to headbutt my much larger dog inbetween calls for its mother. (The mother leaves them to feed.)

    Replies: @Wency

    The other problem with bear is it’s a meat that definitely needs to be cooked very well. Bears will eat anything and so parasite risk is very high. I recall a tale from some years back where some French hunters visited Canada, ate raw bear, and got very sick from trichinosis. I love raw meat and respect the French penchant for it — I could eat steak tartare for days — but bad idea, fellas.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Wency

    I once read a book about an outdoor adventurer type, who ended up living in Alaska for quite a few years. He never ate bear meat raw, or even rare, but always cooked the heck out of it. As for dealing with the intense gamey flavor that bear meat possesses, he would always smother the meat with bar-b-sauce. The more the better. I know that bear meat often shows up in some of the finer Russian restaurants. I wonder how they prepare and present bear, I doubt that they use the bar-be-que method?

  216. @Coconuts

    It’s not really emerging though, but rather “ersatz” substitution by owners of the capital good – that’s instead of real equality via important categories (jobs, income, house size, etc), we provide some “ersatz” equality crusade on relatively unimportant things like LGBT minorities, or adding some melanin (Obama) to the president.
     
    It does seem to work as a kind of mystification concealing the sources of real economic and social power, this is why some aspects of the left wing tradition are much more interesting to the Woke than others. Class and economic factors are minimised, as is the realist and rationalistic content, the parts that seem to interest them most are the ones with strange, complex and paradoxical content and that can be used to enable certain kinds of authoritarianism.

    Some IMO very unusual content is being generated and propagated, things like this:

    https://joannechocolat.tumblr.com/post/660939774039932928/white-feminists-im-looking-at-you

    (From a well known and popular middlebrow novelist.)

    It is like shifting an idea that seems to derive from the 'dictatorship of the proletariat' theory, first away from the political and economic realm to racial issues, and then into the cultural, moral and existential sphere, where people are expected to impose it on themselves as a kind of act of self-abnegation, but without any obvious material sacrifices.

    I saw a good analysis some time ago, drawing originally on Lenin IIRC, about the use of ethnic conflict and division to undermine potential challenges to capital. It's plausible that the Woke movement is something like this, created to distract the growing but inchoate opposition to globalism within Western countries.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AaronB

    where people are expected to impose it on themselves as a kind of act of self-abnegation, but without any obvious material sacrifices

    .

    It’s a kind of game for the elites, that seems clearly related to religious asceticism.

    It’s not really unusual in the context of Western history and thinking.

    In Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals, he has a long essay on the history of European asceticism that would illuminate our situation.

    Unfortunately, today we no longer read the old European thinkers or religious history, so we are dumbfounded by the obvious religious phenomena of our times.

    Our thinking is limited to the extremely shallow “materialist” explanations that barely scratch the surface (not accusing you, I just mean the usual superficial “level” at which these issues are generally discussed).

    It’s plausible that the Woke movement is something like this, created to distract the growing but inchoate opposition to globalism within Western countries.

    That’s like saying religion was invented to keep the masses content with exploitation.

    I think religious phenomena are often put to these kinds of uses, and I think Wokeness does indeed function as a distraction, but I think it’s primarily a religious and moral phenomena.

    Also, Wokeness is popular among the elite, who support globalization.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    It’s a kind of game for the elites, that seems clearly related to religious asceticism.

    It’s not really unusual in the context of Western history and thinking.

    In Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals, he has a long essay on the history of European asceticism that would illuminate our situation.
     

    Richard Spencer also has a lot of these Nietzschean/Protestantism explanations of Wokeism. They are okay up to a point but IMO don't engage with the Liberationist or Post-modern content of Woke; the explanatory power of Nietzschean ideas on religious asceticism for these aspects of it is not so evident.

    That’s like saying religion was invented to keep the masses content with exploitation.
     
    It is talking about a specific movement in left-wing/progressive politics that has only been around for a short period of time so it is a lot less general. It was suggesting that this movement operates like a fake left movement to maintain elite control of society though. I tend to see it more as a political movement than a religious one, however there will be overlap.

    Also, Wokeness is popular among the elite, who support globalization.
     
    Yes, they like it a lot because it helps them maintain their position and push globalism, at least for now.

    Replies: @AaronB

  217. @Dmitry
    @AP


    God gave to them.... tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil
     
    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else's suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

     

    I agree with you Detroit's old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects - both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It's very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.

    The ghetto in places like Kensington Philadelphia is interesting in a different way - for example, its street houses could almost be in an Irish city. It has an Irish city's population density and housing style, so it makes me think of European city planning (if Ireland can be Europe).

    It's like the ghettoization is a strange preservative of these places' history. Population is too depressed (psychologically broken), drug-addict, and poor to renovate the areas, and the crime rate prevent new investments that would introduce new buildings, or demolish old buildings.

    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhvvxoIgNPg


    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts
     

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.

    If you look at vote share for 2012 election, for example, against Mitt Romney. 5 of the top 13 states in America by vote share for Obama, are New England (and New Hampshire was 23).

    https://i.imgur.com/iGvyFuh.jpg

    The highest 1 and 2 "whitest states" by proportion of population in the USA are Maine and Vermont. (So these are number 13 and number 3 highest pro-Obama states of 50 states).

    Replies: @AP, @songbird, @Wency

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.

    I didn’t hear if you are in fact a vegetarian. I can respect the moral consistency and self-sacrifice of vegetarianism. But the attitude that it’s wrong to kill one’s meat, that it needs to be outsourced to factory farms and converted into unrecognizable and bite-sized form factors — that’s bankrupt. It’s a desire to sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts and in your soul that to eat meat is to kill.

    If hunting is enjoyable to man, it’s because man is by nature a hunter. I’m sure it’s also enjoyable to the wolf.

    I also wouldn’t call it postindustrial “boredom”. Boredom is what makes us play video games and post at unz.com. The longing to get back to nature is rather a mark of the contrived nature of a society that has us live a lifestyle which, while easy, is not one to which we’re adapted. And sure, all our ways of accessing nature are somewhat contrived as well, but what can you do?

    • Agree: AP, Anatoly Karlin, Yellowface Anon, sher singh, Mikel, AaronB
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Wency

    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.

    They are looking like overfed people, driving in Jeeps, operating all kinds of expensive (multi-thousand dollar) military equipment, and night vision, go-pro cameras, etc, before they can go into the forest.

    Even for American standards they are some of the least natural looking consumers. They have been made addicted to "outdoor paraphernalia", so they need to carry special hats, and multiple binoculars - before going into a forest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFJRpuiD9A


    hunting is enjoyable to man, it’s because man is by nature a hunter. I’m sure it’s also enjoyable to the wolf
     
    All kinds of things are enjoyable to many people, from torturing animals, eating too much food, ghetto fights, bullying, rape, ghetto drivebys, football hooligan fighting, school shootings, etc.

    Something cannot be considered a sin, if it was not in some way giving one person's consciousness enjoyment.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another's pain, should be encouraged or romanticized in a silly way which is typical of American culture of the last couple centuries (the romancization, is also promoted by the firearms, equipment industry, and the general advertising culture).

    Hunters and poachers as a way to feed the family for poor people - it's a different category, to the extent they don't kill for pleasure.


    sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts
     
    I've lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a "bad karma" situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.

    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities - for farmers which know them.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.

    Urbanized culture people trying to romanticize about agricultural life, but realities of industries like dairy farming is something becomes more difficult to romanticize the closer you saw it.

    -

    With no offense to AP. One of the ways someone is a product of privileged culture, is when they romanticize dogs, above other animals - and this is typical in American culture (e.g. Hollywood films like "Independence Day", where the dog miraculously escapes disaster).

    Because in the farm life, a dog is often given a less pleasant life by the farmers than the cows. That is, the dog is tied to the outside of the cowshed. And many people in farms are doing this - attaching the dog to a building.

    Dogs have one of the lowest positions in agriculture life of the nonwealthy and peasants - as your cheapest form of security system.

    Replies: @Wency, @AP

  218. @Wency
    @songbird

    The other problem with bear is it's a meat that definitely needs to be cooked very well. Bears will eat anything and so parasite risk is very high. I recall a tale from some years back where some French hunters visited Canada, ate raw bear, and got very sick from trichinosis. I love raw meat and respect the French penchant for it -- I could eat steak tartare for days -- but bad idea, fellas.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I once read a book about an outdoor adventurer type, who ended up living in Alaska for quite a few years. He never ate bear meat raw, or even rare, but always cooked the heck out of it. As for dealing with the intense gamey flavor that bear meat possesses, he would always smother the meat with bar-b-sauce. The more the better. I know that bear meat often shows up in some of the finer Russian restaurants. I wonder how they prepare and present bear, I doubt that they use the bar-be-que method?

  219. @AP
    @Dmitry


    By the way, what do you think of these East Coast ghettos like in Baltimore?
     
    The ones in Chicago and Detroit are more beautiful architecturally.

    In Chicago the city allowed crime to drive away the residents, then when those places became dirt cheap the criminals were taken care of and developers close to the mayor's family bought up the property at rock bottom prices. These neighborhoods are now very expensive. The only enclave to avoid this process was Ukrainian Village - stubborn Ukrainians stayed while the Poles, Irish, etc. fled. Now their houses are worth millions.

    Typically we think about ghettos, as looking like South Central Los Angeles ),or the projects of the Queens , or perhaps decaying houses in Detroit .
     
    Detroit was once the Paris of the Midwest:

    https://lemacks.com/wp-content/uploads/1881-Alfred-Street-Brush-park-20-x-10-panoramic-1-768x402.jpg

    There remain enclaves of beautiful well preserved houses in Detroit, patrolled by private security. The residents of these neighborhoods are like the living humans in the Walking Dead, surrounded by zombie hordes. One such neighborhood is Indian Village:

    https://www.lifeinmichigan.com/wp-content/gallery/indian-village-detroit-home-tour-2015/Indian-Village-Home-Tour-Detroit-2015-33.jpg

    Not too far from there, is stuff like this:

    http://calsound.net/memoir/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/IMG_4842.jpg

    Fascinating place.

    I want to say there is something wrong to shoot animals for pleasure if you are a spiritual person.
     
    I disagree. They are accepting the gifts that God gave to them. There is something beautiful about spending hours in nature, quietly tracking an animal that will provide meals for one's family. I personally Wouldn't want to kill an animal, but there is nothing wrong with that.

    Anyways, outside of small towns most people in the Midwest are not hunters.

    "New England and the adjacent Hudson River Valley in New York State are very nice and pleasant places. Like many nice and pleasant places that are insulated from diversity"

    And these are the states with the highest voting ratios for Obama.
     
    You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts yes (perhaps paradoxically, Vermont has a high per capita gun ownership rate, higher than South Carolina and Georgia). Connecticut and Rhode Island were less for Biden than California and Hawaii. Maine and New Hampshire were less for Biden than Colorado, Virginia, and Illinois.

    Nearly 40% of people in Connecticut and Rhode Island, and about 45% in NH and Maine, voted for Trump. So these places are not monoliths.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Anatoly Karlin, @AaronB

    In the 19th century, the dominant architectural philosophy was “neo-Gothic” – everything Medieval was becoming popular again, as people were – in the arts – revolting against scientific civilization.

    In the 18th century, everyone built in the Classical style, because the Enlightenment was supposed to reflect Greece and Rome.

    In the 20th century, the dominant architectural philosophy demanded straight, mathematical lines, a complete absence – even a contempt for – ornament and decoration as “backwards”, and a “style” that was supposed to reflect science and modernity and abstraction.

    So we built either utterly drab buildings – because modern scientific men have evolved beyond ornament and decoration and care only about the “functional” – or when we were more ambitious, we built actual monstrosities that assault the mind and senses.

    What a decline in culture!

    As a great Frenchmen said – from the caveman to modern man, what a decline! (I paraphrase).

    The really interesting question is, when our philosophy of life once again turns towards emotion and beauty, the organic and the natural, what will out buildings reflect?

    The Medieval as the repository of imagination and emotion no longer has the same symbolical value for us, and us too parochial in a globalized world anyways.

    We will have to – gasp – become original 🙂

    We will not be epigones, like the 18th and 19th centuries, we will be creating an original organic civilization.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @AaronB

    I'm sorry, I realize this post seems like it has nothing to do with APs post an came out of the blue.

    The photos AP provided in his post, are of classic houses in the Neo-Gothic style, as is much of the old architecture in Dmitry's videos.

    Personally, I am a fan of neo-Gothic - and the philosophy behind it :) - but interestingly, in the early 20th century the Victorian style was considered ugly and pastiche and imitative, and huge swathes of it were torn down!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  220. @Wency
    @Dmitry


    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     
    I didn't hear if you are in fact a vegetarian. I can respect the moral consistency and self-sacrifice of vegetarianism. But the attitude that it's wrong to kill one's meat, that it needs to be outsourced to factory farms and converted into unrecognizable and bite-sized form factors -- that's bankrupt. It's a desire to sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts and in your soul that to eat meat is to kill.

    If hunting is enjoyable to man, it's because man is by nature a hunter. I'm sure it's also enjoyable to the wolf.

    I also wouldn't call it postindustrial "boredom". Boredom is what makes us play video games and post at unz.com. The longing to get back to nature is rather a mark of the contrived nature of a society that has us live a lifestyle which, while easy, is not one to which we're adapted. And sure, all our ways of accessing nature are somewhat contrived as well, but what can you do?

    Replies: @Dmitry

    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.

    They are looking like overfed people, driving in Jeeps, operating all kinds of expensive (multi-thousand dollar) military equipment, and night vision, go-pro cameras, etc, before they can go into the forest.

    Even for American standards they are some of the least natural looking consumers. They have been made addicted to “outdoor paraphernalia”, so they need to carry special hats, and multiple binoculars – before going into a forest.

    hunting is enjoyable to man, it’s because man is by nature a hunter. I’m sure it’s also enjoyable to the wolf

    All kinds of things are enjoyable to many people, from torturing animals, eating too much food, ghetto fights, bullying, rape, ghetto drivebys, football hooligan fighting, school shootings, etc.

    Something cannot be considered a sin, if it was not in some way giving one person’s consciousness enjoyment.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another’s pain, should be encouraged or romanticized in a silly way which is typical of American culture of the last couple centuries (the romancization, is also promoted by the firearms, equipment industry, and the general advertising culture).

    Hunters and poachers as a way to feed the family for poor people – it’s a different category, to the extent they don’t kill for pleasure.

    sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts

    I’ve lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a “bad karma” situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.

    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities – for farmers which know them.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.

    Urbanized culture people trying to romanticize about agricultural life, but realities of industries like dairy farming is something becomes more difficult to romanticize the closer you saw it.

    With no offense to AP. One of the ways someone is a product of privileged culture, is when they romanticize dogs, above other animals – and this is typical in American culture (e.g. Hollywood films like “Independence Day”, where the dog miraculously escapes disaster).

    Because in the farm life, a dog is often given a less pleasant life by the farmers than the cows. That is, the dog is tied to the outside of the cowshed. And many people in farms are doing this – attaching the dog to a building.

    Dogs have one of the lowest positions in agriculture life of the nonwealthy and peasants – as your cheapest form of security system.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Dmitry


    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.
     
    Yeah, this sort of hunting exists, but I've never been exposed to it. I certainly wouldn't call it "typical". The only guy I personally knew who did something like this was a centimillionaire client of mine, who owned a vast ranch out west that he kept stocked with various cattle-like African mammals. But I wasn't part of the centimillionaires' club and he never invited me out.

    Most hunters -- even those in the upper-middle class -- are hunting near where they live, in the Southeast or Midwest. They're hunting deer, sitting in a deer stand all day in forested public lands with no more specialized equipment than a rifle. Many days they won't see a single deer, so they're mostly just alone with their thoughts. A certain percentage will bow hunt. They're probably lower- middle or white working class -- not starving, but a deer carcass is offering their family a pretty low-cost source of lean meat.

    Some people (more upper-middle class, occasional hunters) will go to stocked hunting preserves that charge money. It's a more time-efficient way to do it, but also somewhat more contrived.

    Duck hunting and turkey hunting are also pretty common for regular people. And lastly there's hog hunting -- wild hogs are an invasive species in much of the South, they do a lot of damage.

    As for your whole thing about consciousness -- well, that's your moral rubric, I disagree with it and all its underlying assumptions but don't care to hash it out. But to prefer dogs over food animals is very normal and natural. Modern Americans certainly have a somewhat neurotic and unhealthy obsession with dogs when treating them as child replacements. But I think sometimes people overcorrect for this and pretend that no human ever had warm feelings for a dog until 15 minutes ago, when the "faithful hound" is a millennia-old legendary motif (cf. Argos, Gelert), and prehistoric dog burial sites have been located.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.
     
    As Wency pointed out, these people are not typical but absolutely weird. It's like saying the typical skier based on youtube videos gets helicoptered to a mountain and skis straight down steep cliffs.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another’s pain
     
    Hunting is not based on "pain of another consciousness." The kill is only a part of it, and no normal hunter wants to inflict pain, they try to get a clean shot that minimizes the pain. Hunting is much more about nature. Killing for food is being a part of nature.

    I’ve lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a “bad karma” situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.
     

    You should be grateful to them for taking on this burden in order for you to be fed.

    The agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them. On normal farms both benefit -animals have a good deal too. In the wild they live lives always on watch, and trying not to starve. Eventually when they get too old or too slow they get torn alive by wolves or bears. On farms they don't worry about starvation and don't have to always be looking out for predators. Their end is less painful.

    Factory farms OTOH strike me as being very evil.


    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities – for farmers which know them.
     
    Yes.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.
     
    Others can be friendly, but only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner. It is a partner. Dogs are the only animal to consistently seek out comfort from humans when they are hurt (at least, if they are not chronically abused). I noticed at the veterinarians' that immediately after getting a painful shot the dog will seek out assurance from the same vet who gave it the needle. Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry

  221. @AaronB
    @AP

    In the 19th century, the dominant architectural philosophy was "neo-Gothic" - everything Medieval was becoming popular again, as people were - in the arts - revolting against scientific civilization.

    In the 18th century, everyone built in the Classical style, because the Enlightenment was supposed to reflect Greece and Rome.

    In the 20th century, the dominant architectural philosophy demanded straight, mathematical lines, a complete absence - even a contempt for - ornament and decoration as "backwards", and a "style" that was supposed to reflect science and modernity and abstraction.

    So we built either utterly drab buildings - because modern scientific men have evolved beyond ornament and decoration and care only about the "functional" - or when we were more ambitious, we built actual monstrosities that assault the mind and senses.

    What a decline in culture!

    As a great Frenchmen said - from the caveman to modern man, what a decline! (I paraphrase).

    The really interesting question is, when our philosophy of life once again turns towards emotion and beauty, the organic and the natural, what will out buildings reflect?

    The Medieval as the repository of imagination and emotion no longer has the same symbolical value for us, and us too parochial in a globalized world anyways.

    We will have to - gasp - become original :)

    We will not be epigones, like the 18th and 19th centuries, we will be creating an original organic civilization.

    Replies: @AaronB

    I’m sorry, I realize this post seems like it has nothing to do with APs post an came out of the blue.

    The photos AP provided in his post, are of classic houses in the Neo-Gothic style, as is much of the old architecture in Dmitry’s videos.

    Personally, I am a fan of neo-Gothic – and the philosophy behind it 🙂 – but interestingly, in the early 20th century the Victorian style was considered ugly and pastiche and imitative, and huge swathes of it were torn down!

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AaronB


    interestingly, in the early 20th century the Victorian style was considered ugly and pastiche and imitative, and huge swathes of it were torn down!
     
    Not just Victorian styled homes unfortunately, but other older styles too. Many such huge and grand edifices were torn down for a myriad of reasons. New zoning considerations including railroad and freeway building, commercial expansion and fires all took their toll, but undoubtedly financial disasters played a disproportionate share of lost mansions and opulent homes. The author of this book states that at least 500 such homes have forever disappeared over time in the Twin Cities area:

    Nobody can say for sure how many lost mansions haunt the Twin Cities, but at least five hundred can be accounted for in public records and archives. In Minneapolis and St. Paul, entire neighborhoods of luxurious homes have disappeared, virtually without a trace. Many grand estates that once spread out over hundreds of acres along the shores of Lake Minnetonka are also gone. .
     
    https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51qXnmvLwAL.jpg

    Replies: @AaronB

  222. @AP
    @Dmitry


    "God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil"

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     

    Inuit can also buy food if they want. No, the hunters I know were taught to hunt by their fathers. They wake up very early, spend hours in nature, and try to kill the animal painlessly. The killing while essential is not the main point. It is about more than that. There is no sadistic pleasure in that.

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.
     

    Detroit wasn't like medieval Paris but the new Parisian planning of the 19th century, characterized by wide boulevards (that destroyed much of old Paris) and beautiful buildings, deliberately made in the French style. Detroit plan:

    https://wdet.org/media/daguerre/2017/09/08/854a5f36caf7d8901af9.jpeg

    So Detroit's Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/01/5e/17015e27aceb914a5f8e752af0c36139.jpg

    This was built on the same avenue, in 1888:

    https://www.detroityes.com/webisodes/2000/16ferry/04FerryStBbhecker.jpg

    Detroit's Fox Theater, on Woodward:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/4112/5064169234_69284a7f75_b.jpg

    Of course many other buildings there now look like this:

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/In-1982-the-building-was-listed-under-the-National-Register-of-Historic-Places.-640x426.jpg


    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
     
    I once accidentally walked right into the middle of such a neighborhood in Vancouver, because I decided to walk to Chinatown from downtown. I didn't realize that to get there one had to walk through their skid row. Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans), and there were many more of them. They were harmless as they shuffled along, though some tried to approach.

    "You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts"

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.
     

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England other than Massachusetts in 1988.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Morton's toes, @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    Inuit can also buy food

    These are poor people who need to hunt for food. It’s excluding them (mostly) from the category of killing for pleasure.

    They wake up very early, spend hours in nature

    As for spending time in nature, if they (your friends) are not consumers of the most unnatural paraphernalia and hi-tech equipment, then it can become more believable as a motivation.

    In YouTube, American hunter culture appears more of very unnatural people who are addicted to purchasing military technology and “outdoor equipment” to modify their experience, before they can lose the fear of going into a forest.

    If you wanted natural nightime experience with the animal, you wouldn’t need nightvision equipment to execute them. I understand coyote is a pest for farmers, but YouTubers are killing for the pleasure of the execution. Look in the way they label and describe their videos.

    People with this personality type, would be useful to hire to “work” for the NKVD (that is a person who enjoys the execution part of the job, would be a well motivated employee).

    Detroit’s Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées

    It looks cool indeed, but like Manhattan more than Paris.
    https://goo.gl/maps/EstmBnzjeq5Ypphs9

    not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England

    As I understand, at this time of late 1980s the Democrats still had a more working class base compared to today, and Republicans had momentum of Reagan – who had been very successful at representing bourgeoisie’s interests.

    In the 1990s, Bill Clinton has realigned somewhat Democrat’s orientation, promoting policies like government austerity in public spending, promoting free trade and NAFTA (that benefits the coastal economy, but damages the working class Democrat manufacturing jobs in “Steel Belt”), etc, – and at the same time providing these policies with a more socially acceptable face than Reagan could.

    Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans)

    This would interesting to see. How did you find Vancouver otherwise – is it as great as everyone says?

    Usually the most psychologically broken, and then drug-addicted, populations are those from pre-industrial, even pre-agricultural, cultures, that were thrown thousands of years forward into the modern world without consenting to exit their previous stage of history. These people like Tuvans, Native Americans, African-Americans, etc.

    Although it’s interesting to watch on the Nick Johnson channel, he visited a lot of “white ghettos” in America as well. Even some European-Americans in certain uninvested parts of the country, have become mentally broken and creating of ghettos.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    Inuit can also buy food

    These are poor people who need to hunt for food. It’s excluding them (mostly) from the category of killing for pleasure.
     

    Inuit hunt with expensive snowmobiles and expensive rifles. There is poverty up there by Western standards but they are not barely eking out an existence. They are probably richer than average Belarussians or Ukrainians.

    They wake up very early, spend hours in nature

    As for spending time in nature, if they (your friends) are not consumers of the most unnatural paraphernalia and hi-tech equipment, then it can become more believable as a motivation.

    In YouTube, American hunter culture appears more of very unnatural people who are addicted to purchasing military technology and “outdoor equipment” to modify their experience, before they can lose the fear of going into a forest.
     

    You can get a very skewed view of hunting, based on youtube videos.

    I understand coyote is a pest for farmers, but YouTubers are killing for the pleasure of the execution.
     
    I never knew coyote hunters, only deer hunters. The point is to get a quick kill, anyone who is a sadist would be regarded as an asshole. The hunting process involves spending hours in the forests, tracking animals and getting close enough to kill them. Deer are brought back and turned into venison. Hunters have a greater appreciation and understanding of nature than most people do.

    People who have lost animals to coyotes really dislike them. Coyotes not only kill livestock, but also cats and dogs. They can be clever when doing so - a coyote can "befriend" a naive dog, convince it to go to the woods, and then kill it with its partner-coyote. But my own dogs are rather wolflike in appearance, I would not be able to kill a coyote.


    Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans)

    This would interesting to see. How did you find Vancouver otherwise – is it as great as everyone says?
     

    Very cool city. A 1970s vision of the the 23rd century would look like - all glass, clean and bright, with spectacular nature all around. Full of Chinese people, and enough Japanese for excellent sushi. But the junkies are a problem. During the day they are concentrated in that area between downtown and Chinatown. We stayed in an expensive area downtown but were told that at night the junkies spread out and can break into cars.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  223. @AP
    @Dmitry


    "God gave to them…. tracking an animal that will provide meals for one’s famil"

    Lol they are not inuit fishermen trying to feed their family on the edge of the world. They are people shooting animals for their personal pleasure (pleasure for them, while something else’s suffering) and often as symptom of the boredom of postindustrial society.
     

    Inuit can also buy food if they want. No, the hunters I know were taught to hunt by their fathers. They wake up very early, spend hours in nature, and try to kill the animal painlessly. The killing while essential is not the main point. It is about more than that. There is no sadistic pleasure in that.

    I agree with you Detroit’s old buildings (especially its Art Deco) is aesthetically very cool and beautiful in aspects – both as it was in past, and in more sinister way as it is today.

    Very different to Paris or European planning. It’s very much of new, uneuropean 20th century American suburban style.
     

    Detroit wasn't like medieval Paris but the new Parisian planning of the 19th century, characterized by wide boulevards (that destroyed much of old Paris) and beautiful buildings, deliberately made in the French style. Detroit plan:

    https://wdet.org/media/daguerre/2017/09/08/854a5f36caf7d8901af9.jpeg

    So Detroit's Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées:

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/17/01/5e/17015e27aceb914a5f8e752af0c36139.jpg

    This was built on the same avenue, in 1888:

    https://www.detroityes.com/webisodes/2000/16ferry/04FerryStBbhecker.jpg

    Detroit's Fox Theater, on Woodward:

    https://live.staticflickr.com/4112/5064169234_69284a7f75_b.jpg

    Of course many other buildings there now look like this:

    https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/In-1982-the-building-was-listed-under-the-National-Register-of-Historic-Places.-640x426.jpg


    Its result appears like a time capture of the old American city, with a depressive zombie krokadil apocalypse layered above it. (This looks like a tempting place to visit for tourists).
     
    I once accidentally walked right into the middle of such a neighborhood in Vancouver, because I decided to walk to Chinatown from downtown. I didn't realize that to get there one had to walk through their skid row. Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans), and there were many more of them. They were harmless as they shuffled along, though some tried to approach.

    "You mean Biden?

    Vermont and Massachusetts"

    New England has been the most pro-Obama group of states in America in the elections.
     

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England other than Massachusetts in 1988.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Morton's toes, @Dmitry, @Dmitry

    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary

    Obama’s popularity by state against Romney matches a lot to the income level of the state.

    It’s surprising because Romney was the most adequate, intelligent and professional Republican candidate so far this century. But Obama was apparently like political opium of the higher income regions of America.

    Here are top states in America by median income.

    And here are top states in America by proportion of the population who voted for Obama instead of Mitt Romney in 2012.

    Excluding a few unusual states like Alaska (higher income but not pro-Obama), Michigan (no-high income, but pro-Obama) and Utah (quite high income, but was by far the most pro-Romney voting state in all of USA in 2012), they are very similar lists. E.g. California 7th in income, and 8th in pro-Obama.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    It’s surprising because Romney was the most adequate, intelligent and professional Republican candidate so far this century. But Obama was apparently like political opium of the higher income regions of America.
     
    Romney had to act like Bush to win the primary which turned off rich voters, and was then demonized by the Leftist media. Only when he was harmless has he been rehabilitated by the same Leftist media.
  224. @Dmitry
    @Wency

    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.

    They are looking like overfed people, driving in Jeeps, operating all kinds of expensive (multi-thousand dollar) military equipment, and night vision, go-pro cameras, etc, before they can go into the forest.

    Even for American standards they are some of the least natural looking consumers. They have been made addicted to "outdoor paraphernalia", so they need to carry special hats, and multiple binoculars - before going into a forest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFJRpuiD9A


    hunting is enjoyable to man, it’s because man is by nature a hunter. I’m sure it’s also enjoyable to the wolf
     
    All kinds of things are enjoyable to many people, from torturing animals, eating too much food, ghetto fights, bullying, rape, ghetto drivebys, football hooligan fighting, school shootings, etc.

    Something cannot be considered a sin, if it was not in some way giving one person's consciousness enjoyment.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another's pain, should be encouraged or romanticized in a silly way which is typical of American culture of the last couple centuries (the romancization, is also promoted by the firearms, equipment industry, and the general advertising culture).

    Hunters and poachers as a way to feed the family for poor people - it's a different category, to the extent they don't kill for pleasure.


    sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts
     
    I've lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a "bad karma" situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.

    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities - for farmers which know them.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.

    Urbanized culture people trying to romanticize about agricultural life, but realities of industries like dairy farming is something becomes more difficult to romanticize the closer you saw it.

    -

    With no offense to AP. One of the ways someone is a product of privileged culture, is when they romanticize dogs, above other animals - and this is typical in American culture (e.g. Hollywood films like "Independence Day", where the dog miraculously escapes disaster).

    Because in the farm life, a dog is often given a less pleasant life by the farmers than the cows. That is, the dog is tied to the outside of the cowshed. And many people in farms are doing this - attaching the dog to a building.

    Dogs have one of the lowest positions in agriculture life of the nonwealthy and peasants - as your cheapest form of security system.

    Replies: @Wency, @AP

    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.

    Yeah, this sort of hunting exists, but I’ve never been exposed to it. I certainly wouldn’t call it “typical”. The only guy I personally knew who did something like this was a centimillionaire client of mine, who owned a vast ranch out west that he kept stocked with various cattle-like African mammals. But I wasn’t part of the centimillionaires’ club and he never invited me out.

    Most hunters — even those in the upper-middle class — are hunting near where they live, in the Southeast or Midwest. They’re hunting deer, sitting in a deer stand all day in forested public lands with no more specialized equipment than a rifle. Many days they won’t see a single deer, so they’re mostly just alone with their thoughts. A certain percentage will bow hunt. They’re probably lower- middle or white working class — not starving, but a deer carcass is offering their family a pretty low-cost source of lean meat.

    Some people (more upper-middle class, occasional hunters) will go to stocked hunting preserves that charge money. It’s a more time-efficient way to do it, but also somewhat more contrived.

    Duck hunting and turkey hunting are also pretty common for regular people. And lastly there’s hog hunting — wild hogs are an invasive species in much of the South, they do a lot of damage.

    As for your whole thing about consciousness — well, that’s your moral rubric, I disagree with it and all its underlying assumptions but don’t care to hash it out. But to prefer dogs over food animals is very normal and natural. Modern Americans certainly have a somewhat neurotic and unhealthy obsession with dogs when treating them as child replacements. But I think sometimes people overcorrect for this and pretend that no human ever had warm feelings for a dog until 15 minutes ago, when the “faithful hound” is a millennia-old legendary motif (cf. Argos, Gelert), and prehistoric dog burial sites have been located.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Wency


    deer carcass is offering their family a pretty low-cost source of lean meat
     
    It's difficult to argue against shooting animals if it is as a cheap way to access meat among poorer people.

    It's when shooting animals for pleasure and sport, and to show your hi-tech military equipment on YouTube, is where the hunting culture is unattractive.


    people overcorrect for this and pretend that no human ever had warm feelings for a dog until 15 minutes ago, when the “faithful hound”
     
    Sure, of course, America is not the first culture in history to idolize dogs, and they have been important in other times of history (although usually instrumentally - for herding, for hunting), and the popularity of dogs is common in many other countries (as contemporary Russia is not the first country in history to idolize pet cats, and probably even India is not the first culture to idolize cows).

    But among farmers and peasants, dogs have been particularly badly treated, and still are now. Still recently, everyone seemed to be tying dogs with thick string to the agricultural equipment. My point is just the American culture's privileging of dogs (that has the highest example among writers in Hollywood disaster films) would entail being shocked at what happens with dogs in many farms or among peasants, as an Indian might be shocked by what happens with their culture's beloved cows at the abattoir.

  225. @Wency
    @Dmitry


    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.
     
    Yeah, this sort of hunting exists, but I've never been exposed to it. I certainly wouldn't call it "typical". The only guy I personally knew who did something like this was a centimillionaire client of mine, who owned a vast ranch out west that he kept stocked with various cattle-like African mammals. But I wasn't part of the centimillionaires' club and he never invited me out.

    Most hunters -- even those in the upper-middle class -- are hunting near where they live, in the Southeast or Midwest. They're hunting deer, sitting in a deer stand all day in forested public lands with no more specialized equipment than a rifle. Many days they won't see a single deer, so they're mostly just alone with their thoughts. A certain percentage will bow hunt. They're probably lower- middle or white working class -- not starving, but a deer carcass is offering their family a pretty low-cost source of lean meat.

    Some people (more upper-middle class, occasional hunters) will go to stocked hunting preserves that charge money. It's a more time-efficient way to do it, but also somewhat more contrived.

    Duck hunting and turkey hunting are also pretty common for regular people. And lastly there's hog hunting -- wild hogs are an invasive species in much of the South, they do a lot of damage.

    As for your whole thing about consciousness -- well, that's your moral rubric, I disagree with it and all its underlying assumptions but don't care to hash it out. But to prefer dogs over food animals is very normal and natural. Modern Americans certainly have a somewhat neurotic and unhealthy obsession with dogs when treating them as child replacements. But I think sometimes people overcorrect for this and pretend that no human ever had warm feelings for a dog until 15 minutes ago, when the "faithful hound" is a millennia-old legendary motif (cf. Argos, Gelert), and prehistoric dog burial sites have been located.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    deer carcass is offering their family a pretty low-cost source of lean meat

    It’s difficult to argue against shooting animals if it is as a cheap way to access meat among poorer people.

    It’s when shooting animals for pleasure and sport, and to show your hi-tech military equipment on YouTube, is where the hunting culture is unattractive.

    people overcorrect for this and pretend that no human ever had warm feelings for a dog until 15 minutes ago, when the “faithful hound”

    Sure, of course, America is not the first culture in history to idolize dogs, and they have been important in other times of history (although usually instrumentally – for herding, for hunting), and the popularity of dogs is common in many other countries (as contemporary Russia is not the first country in history to idolize pet cats, and probably even India is not the first culture to idolize cows).

    But among farmers and peasants, dogs have been particularly badly treated, and still are now. Still recently, everyone seemed to be tying dogs with thick string to the agricultural equipment. My point is just the American culture’s privileging of dogs (that has the highest example among writers in Hollywood disaster films) would entail being shocked at what happens with dogs in many farms or among peasants, as an Indian might be shocked by what happens with their culture’s beloved cows at the abattoir.

  226. @AaronB
    @Coconuts


    where people are expected to impose it on themselves as a kind of act of self-abnegation, but without any obvious material sacrifices
     
    .

    It's a kind of game for the elites, that seems clearly related to religious asceticism.

    It's not really unusual in the context of Western history and thinking.

    In Nietzsche's Genealogy of Morals, he has a long essay on the history of European asceticism that would illuminate our situation.

    Unfortunately, today we no longer read the old European thinkers or religious history, so we are dumbfounded by the obvious religious phenomena of our times.

    Our thinking is limited to the extremely shallow "materialist" explanations that barely scratch the surface (not accusing you, I just mean the usual superficial "level" at which these issues are generally discussed).

    It’s plausible that the Woke movement is something like this, created to distract the growing but inchoate opposition to globalism within Western countries.
     
    That's like saying religion was invented to keep the masses content with exploitation.

    I think religious phenomena are often put to these kinds of uses, and I think Wokeness does indeed function as a distraction, but I think it's primarily a religious and moral phenomena.

    Also, Wokeness is popular among the elite, who support globalization.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    It’s a kind of game for the elites, that seems clearly related to religious asceticism.

    It’s not really unusual in the context of Western history and thinking.

    In Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals, he has a long essay on the history of European asceticism that would illuminate our situation.

    Richard Spencer also has a lot of these Nietzschean/Protestantism explanations of Wokeism. They are okay up to a point but IMO don’t engage with the Liberationist or Post-modern content of Woke; the explanatory power of Nietzschean ideas on religious asceticism for these aspects of it is not so evident.

    That’s like saying religion was invented to keep the masses content with exploitation.

    It is talking about a specific movement in left-wing/progressive politics that has only been around for a short period of time so it is a lot less general. It was suggesting that this movement operates like a fake left movement to maintain elite control of society though. I tend to see it more as a political movement than a religious one, however there will be overlap.

    Also, Wokeness is popular among the elite, who support globalization.

    Yes, they like it a lot because it helps them maintain their position and push globalism, at least for now.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Coconuts

    Just to be clear - while I think Nietzsche had many great insights I reject most of his philosophy. I don't buy into his Christianity as "slave morality" or "revenge of slaves" idea - that doesn't explain Taoism or Buddhism, which have the same morality, or the metaphysics behind them. And I regard N's "superman" who wills value into being out of nothingness as ludicrous.

    I don't read Spencer, but being a WN I'd imagine he makes much of the "slave morality" thing etc.

    I think the asceticism can only explain the "self-hating" side of modern Woke ideology.

    Problem is, asceticism is something we moderns have trouble really understanding - it seems so medieval, something from our dark past. Today, men are too enlightened and rational.

    But the fact is, asceticism historically has been huge - it is evidently something hugely significant in the human psyche.

    Modern society would be the first known society to have dispensed with asceticism - unless we've just taught ourselves not to call it that anymore :)


    Liberationist or Post-modern content of Woke
     
    Yes, I'd agree that asceticism doesn't address these.

    But I regard them as no less religious phenomena, related to mankind's perennial desire to transcend the physical limitations of this world, which he feels as unsatisfying.

    Traditionally, one has done this quite convincingly metaphysically - by showing that the picture of the world our mind and senses show us is an illusion.

    But in a naive-Realist modern culture, whose central conceit is the myth/fable that our minds give us an accurate representation of reality, this method is denied us - so we must pretend the actual physical world is not what it plainly is.

    It is talking about a specific movement in left-wing/progressive politics that has only been around for a short period of time so it is a lot less general. It was suggesting that this movement operates like a fake left movement to maintain elite control of society though. I tend to see it more as a political movement than a religious one, however there will be overlap
     
    .

    Sure, but it is the development of a philosophy, it didn't appear out of nowhere.

    Part of Enlightenment ideology is that Reason has infinite power to shape mankind and nature has no power to stop it.

    It's not hard to see Woke as something that might naturally develop out of such a context over time.

    Moreover, too much "reality" is hard to bear - having dispensed with religion, is it surprising we are developing ideologies who all share the common feature of denying reality in some fashion or other?

    As for it being primarily political, do you really think that most people who buy into Woke nonsense are being cynical political operatives?

    I have a hard time believing that.

    However, I am sure one of it's effects is to distract from globalism and genuine inequality, yes, and some people may be happy to see it spread for that reason.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  227. As everyone here knows, I have long been leery of attempts to import China’s grueling 996 culture of overwork, ruthless competition, and elite privilege to America, making serfs of us all.

    (Which is not to say I don’t think the American system needs reform. But you don’t reform a bad system by praising one just as bad or worse!)

    But I am immensely pleased to say, that Americans are begining to import Chinese social trends – but not exactly as our elites would have wanted 🙂

    Finally, China leading in a good way!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-13/-lie-flat-if-you-want-but-be-ready-to-pay-the-price

    Americans are adopting the Lie Flat trend!

    The hilarious thing about the article, is it’s attempt to “scare” Americans that they’ll make less money if they do this lol.

    Here in Moab Utah, the local McDonald’s has a sign offering jobs for \$19/hr, paid vacation, medical coverage, flexible hours and days off, and help with college – and they can’t fill their positions!

    In many ways, our times are improving – I want to write more about this in future.

    In his book Against The Grain, James C Scott writes that so called “Dark Ages” probably saw vast improvements in health, freedom, and living conditions as people “escaped” exploitative civilizations where you were a serf for a king.

    Likewise, today’s “decline” may be a turn away from frivolous things like national power and pointless wealth – and towards happiness 🙂

    Even the sheer idiocy and frivolity of our culture wars may be a good sign that we aren’t really serious people anymore – and thank God.

    Of course, the “serious” people will write of this as a decline – but for everyone else, it will be a rise 🙂

    People are definitely having more fun in America than I remember 20 years ago. In a few hundred years, no doubt serious historians will not this as a period of “decline” 🙂

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    @AaronB

    'As everyone here knows, I have long been leery of attempts to import China’s grueling 996 culture of overwork, ruthless competition, and elite privilege to America, making serfs of us...'

    A relief for us all, I'm sure.

  228. @Dmitry
    @AP


    Inuit can also buy food
     
    These are poor people who need to hunt for food. It's excluding them (mostly) from the category of killing for pleasure.

    They wake up very early, spend hours in nature
     
    As for spending time in nature, if they (your friends) are not consumers of the most unnatural paraphernalia and hi-tech equipment, then it can become more believable as a motivation.

    In YouTube, American hunter culture appears more of very unnatural people who are addicted to purchasing military technology and "outdoor equipment" to modify their experience, before they can lose the fear of going into a forest.

    If you wanted natural nightime experience with the animal, you wouldn't need nightvision equipment to execute them. I understand coyote is a pest for farmers, but YouTubers are killing for the pleasure of the execution. Look in the way they label and describe their videos.

    People with this personality type, would be useful to hire to "work" for the NKVD (that is a person who enjoys the execution part of the job, would be a well motivated employee).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVAj-YQNhac


    Detroit’s Woodward Avenue was analogue its version of Champs-Élysées
     
    It looks cool indeed, but like Manhattan more than Paris.
    https://goo.gl/maps/EstmBnzjeq5Ypphs9

    not quite so much Hillary and Biden. George Bush junior won in New Hampshire. His father won in all of New England
     
    As I understand, at this time of late 1980s the Democrats still had a more working class base compared to today, and Republicans had momentum of Reagan - who had been very successful at representing bourgeoisie's interests.

    In the 1990s, Bill Clinton has realigned somewhat Democrat's orientation, promoting policies like government austerity in public spending, promoting free trade and NAFTA (that benefits the coastal economy, but damages the working class Democrat manufacturing jobs in "Steel Belt"), etc, - and at the same time providing these policies with a more socially acceptable face than Reagan could.


    Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans)
     
    This would interesting to see. How did you find Vancouver otherwise - is it as great as everyone says?

    Usually the most psychologically broken, and then drug-addicted, populations are those from pre-industrial, even pre-agricultural, cultures, that were thrown thousands of years forward into the modern world without consenting to exit their previous stage of history. These people like Tuvans, Native Americans, African-Americans, etc.

    Although it's interesting to watch on the Nick Johnson channel, he visited a lot of "white ghettos" in America as well. Even some European-Americans in certain uninvested parts of the country, have become mentally broken and creating of ghettos.

    Replies: @AP

    Inuit can also buy food

    These are poor people who need to hunt for food. It’s excluding them (mostly) from the category of killing for pleasure.

    Inuit hunt with expensive snowmobiles and expensive rifles. There is poverty up there by Western standards but they are not barely eking out an existence. They are probably richer than average Belarussians or Ukrainians.

    They wake up very early, spend hours in nature

    As for spending time in nature, if they (your friends) are not consumers of the most unnatural paraphernalia and hi-tech equipment, then it can become more believable as a motivation.

    In YouTube, American hunter culture appears more of very unnatural people who are addicted to purchasing military technology and “outdoor equipment” to modify their experience, before they can lose the fear of going into a forest.

    You can get a very skewed view of hunting, based on youtube videos.

    I understand coyote is a pest for farmers, but YouTubers are killing for the pleasure of the execution.

    I never knew coyote hunters, only deer hunters. The point is to get a quick kill, anyone who is a sadist would be regarded as an asshole. The hunting process involves spending hours in the forests, tracking animals and getting close enough to kill them. Deer are brought back and turned into venison. Hunters have a greater appreciation and understanding of nature than most people do.

    People who have lost animals to coyotes really dislike them. Coyotes not only kill livestock, but also cats and dogs. They can be clever when doing so – a coyote can “befriend” a naive dog, convince it to go to the woods, and then kill it with its partner-coyote. But my own dogs are rather wolflike in appearance, I would not be able to kill a coyote.

    Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans)

    This would interesting to see. How did you find Vancouver otherwise – is it as great as everyone says?

    Very cool city. A 1970s vision of the the 23rd century would look like – all glass, clean and bright, with spectacular nature all around. Full of Chinese people, and enough Japanese for excellent sushi. But the junkies are a problem. During the day they are concentrated in that area between downtown and Chinatown. We stayed in an expensive area downtown but were told that at night the junkies spread out and can break into cars.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    Very cool city. A 1970s vision of the the 23rd century would look like – all glass, clean and bright, with spectacular nature all around. Full of Chinese people, and enough Japanese for excellent sushi. But the junkies are a problem. During the day they are concentrated in that area between downtown and Chinatown. We stayed in an expensive area downtown but were told that at night the junkies spread out and can break into cars.
     
    A well written short description of Vancouver. I used to watch a Canadian coroner/detective show centered in Vancouver called "DaVinci's Inquest" where the protagonist spent a lot of time in the seedier parts of town, but occasionally the glitzier, "bright" side of town would also be shown.

    https://offscreen.com/images/articles/_resized/DaVinci-banner-1000.jpg

    My boss at work recently spent a week in Vancouver with his wife, sightseeing. He was quite impressed. Closest that I've been to Vancouver in that part of the world is Portland, OR. I've been there several times, and thought that it was a beautiful town. Hopefully, like Minneapolis, its been able to maintain its charm after all of the BLM nonsense that took place there last summer.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP

  229. @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    It’s a kind of game for the elites, that seems clearly related to religious asceticism.

    It’s not really unusual in the context of Western history and thinking.

    In Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals, he has a long essay on the history of European asceticism that would illuminate our situation.
     

    Richard Spencer also has a lot of these Nietzschean/Protestantism explanations of Wokeism. They are okay up to a point but IMO don't engage with the Liberationist or Post-modern content of Woke; the explanatory power of Nietzschean ideas on religious asceticism for these aspects of it is not so evident.

    That’s like saying religion was invented to keep the masses content with exploitation.
     
    It is talking about a specific movement in left-wing/progressive politics that has only been around for a short period of time so it is a lot less general. It was suggesting that this movement operates like a fake left movement to maintain elite control of society though. I tend to see it more as a political movement than a religious one, however there will be overlap.

    Also, Wokeness is popular among the elite, who support globalization.
     
    Yes, they like it a lot because it helps them maintain their position and push globalism, at least for now.

    Replies: @AaronB

    Just to be clear – while I think Nietzsche had many great insights I reject most of his philosophy. I don’t buy into his Christianity as “slave morality” or “revenge of slaves” idea – that doesn’t explain Taoism or Buddhism, which have the same morality, or the metaphysics behind them. And I regard N’s “superman” who wills value into being out of nothingness as ludicrous.

    I don’t read Spencer, but being a WN I’d imagine he makes much of the “slave morality” thing etc.

    I think the asceticism can only explain the “self-hating” side of modern Woke ideology.

    Problem is, asceticism is something we moderns have trouble really understanding – it seems so medieval, something from our dark past. Today, men are too enlightened and rational.

    But the fact is, asceticism historically has been huge – it is evidently something hugely significant in the human psyche.

    Modern society would be the first known society to have dispensed with asceticism – unless we’ve just taught ourselves not to call it that anymore 🙂

    Liberationist or Post-modern content of Woke

    Yes, I’d agree that asceticism doesn’t address these.

    But I regard them as no less religious phenomena, related to mankind’s perennial desire to transcend the physical limitations of this world, which he feels as unsatisfying.

    Traditionally, one has done this quite convincingly metaphysically – by showing that the picture of the world our mind and senses show us is an illusion.

    But in a naive-Realist modern culture, whose central conceit is the myth/fable that our minds give us an accurate representation of reality, this method is denied us – so we must pretend the actual physical world is not what it plainly is.

    It is talking about a specific movement in left-wing/progressive politics that has only been around for a short period of time so it is a lot less general. It was suggesting that this movement operates like a fake left movement to maintain elite control of society though. I tend to see it more as a political movement than a religious one, however there will be overlap

    .

    Sure, but it is the development of a philosophy, it didn’t appear out of nowhere.

    Part of Enlightenment ideology is that Reason has infinite power to shape mankind and nature has no power to stop it.

    It’s not hard to see Woke as something that might naturally develop out of such a context over time.

    Moreover, too much “reality” is hard to bear – having dispensed with religion, is it surprising we are developing ideologies who all share the common feature of denying reality in some fashion or other?

    As for it being primarily political, do you really think that most people who buy into Woke nonsense are being cynical political operatives?

    I have a hard time believing that.

    However, I am sure one of it’s effects is to distract from globalism and genuine inequality, yes, and some people may be happy to see it spread for that reason.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @AaronB


    I don’t read Spencer, but being a WN I’d imagine he makes much of the “slave morality” thing etc.

    I think the asceticism can only explain the “self-hating” side of modern Woke ideology.
     
    You are right about the drift of Spencer's takes.

    There could be a difference between Wokeness in the US and in the UK here, the self-hating in the UK is much more tactical (or non-existent) and Wokeness is more leveraged for direct cultural and political gains than it may be in the US. The people espousing it will more obviously increase/maintain their status and power, or the status and power of their community and political factions.

    This could be noticed in the text I posted, white women are encouraged to feel guilty, but only up to the point of unifying against the white male patriarchy, which is always the real enemy and cause of all of the oppression. The white women then gain moral status and leverage from doing this, which helps justify their wealth/economic position.

    But in a naive-Realist modern culture, whose central conceit is the myth/fable that our minds give us an accurate representation of reality, this method is denied us – so we must pretend the actual physical world is not what it plainly is.
     
    But Marxians, Hegelians and so on believe something opposite, that religion is a reflection of largely political and material forces, and trying to attack this is like another huge topic on its own. IMO you don't need to do it to criticise the Woke, you can do it within Marxist or Hegelian frameworks.

    Part of Enlightenment ideology is that Reason has infinite power to shape mankind and nature has no power to stop it.

    It’s not hard to see Woke as something that might naturally develop out of such a context over time.
     
    They are rooted in Hegelian and Marxian philosophy, so it is specifically the dialectic which has an inevitable and infinite power to shape mankind, and the dialectic goes beyond nature/reason binaries.

    As I said I wasn't aiming to try and refute this dialectical worldview itself in a discussion about Wokeness, that would be a much bigger topic.


    As for it being primarily political, do you really think that most people who buy into Woke nonsense are being cynical political operatives?

    I have a hard time believing that.
     
    They are overwhelmingly concerned with the political and seem often to be self-interested political actors, and the philosophy is also based on the priority of the political. But there could well be differences between the way Wokeness manifests in the UK and in the US, where people in the US are more obviously genuinely invested in it, when they don't stand to gain directly from it.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AaronB

  230. @Dmitry
    @Coconuts


    away from the political and economic realm to racial issue
     
    I think it has a sense of "let them eat brioche", but it's also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn't cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).

    One place in America which has flipped Republican to Democrat in last ten years, is Laguna Beach California - a city which is famous for its bourgeois lifestyle.

    This was a Reagan-Republican area in previous decades. In recent generations, Republicans have usually offered the best tax policies for the wealthy, but their brand image has been increasingly damaged (by personality of Bush and Trump, and need to gain votes from the less fashionable lower class groups in America).

    However, evidently the owners of the beach houses of Laguna beach, are not feeling too threatened by the "woke ideology" that has been associated with the Democrat Party.

    I doubt there is much fear their beautiful houses will be expropriated by their Mexican maids and LGBT friends, and they will have to escape the "woke revolution", and live in Barnaul,

    -

    This city is so bourgeois that $22 million only can buy you a medium size beach house.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FEDvQnbbYo

    And yet the residents, who are part of the American ruling class, have no fear flipping to Democrats during the woke revolution. One can wonder - what kind of "revolution" this is; perhaps one of history's least scary or meaningful revolution from the perspective of the ruling classes.


    white “feminists”, defending their own prejudice by bashing other women. It’s as if they can’t stop themselves, these women of a certain age

     

    I guess her argument is against the older generation of feminists. She notices they are conservative traditionalists compared to even current not very revolutionary "woke" advertising and ideologies (which are supposed to show ethnic and sexual diversity, beyond just the inclusion of some upper class women*).

    In the second half of the 20th century, in Europe and America - feminism is an indication of women who have been to elite schools and universities. It's been a status symbol and class indicator for those postwar generations.

    This feminism has perhaps succeeded to improve the work conditions and bargaining power in relationships for the upper and middle class women. They are not the Assemblywomen of Aristophanes. Even from view of not very revolutionary "woke" ideology, people like J. K. Rowling can seem slightly embarrassing traditionalists, to be their allies.

    -

    * Even in Russian universities, the advertising has seemed to want to include ethnic diversity (i.e. African and Indian student) in the marketing photos, for some decades now. Adding just women to the marketing images is not very woke, even from perspective of universities of the second world.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon, @sher singh, @Coconuts

    I think it has a sense of “let them eat brioche”, but it’s also a way to disguise the real and widening inequality in the society. It doesn’t cost you much to give symbolic changes, it helps to disguise actual inequality, and it even allows the beneficiaries of this inequality to look kind and benevolent (to the extent they can write some woke essays in their elite university days, or donate to some fashionable virtue-signalling causes).

    I think this is largely true, but there are a couple of additional interesting novelties in that piece that are distinctly Woke:

    The introduction of unconscious bias/false consciousness as a relevant and significant factor. Who has the authority to say when a person is experiencing false consciousness or not?

    The idea that the oppressed should be listened attentively and what they say accepted largely uncritically, which establishes a kind of one sided relationship. But this only counts for those with authentic experiences of oppression, who are not influenced by false consciousness. This is the only way pervasive but apparently invisible systems of racist power can be dismantled (which is also a very pressing need due to the imminent possibility of a Fascist takeover).

    Now in the UK a lot of this stuff is being introduced and propagated in a top down way towards the lower levels, via bureaucracy and important institutions, and cultural figures like Harris. These higher level people ultimately seem to retain the authority to say when a person is experiencing false consciousness and is unaware of the real motivations behind their actions and thinking, and which persons have an ‘authentic’ experience of oppression or an ‘authentic’ marginalised identity.

    It seems to be a useful extension of political power and sovereignty via cultural/bureaucratic means for those who promote it or are seen as authoritative voices within it.

  231. @Dmitry
    @Wency

    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.

    They are looking like overfed people, driving in Jeeps, operating all kinds of expensive (multi-thousand dollar) military equipment, and night vision, go-pro cameras, etc, before they can go into the forest.

    Even for American standards they are some of the least natural looking consumers. They have been made addicted to "outdoor paraphernalia", so they need to carry special hats, and multiple binoculars - before going into a forest.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NFJRpuiD9A


    hunting is enjoyable to man, it’s because man is by nature a hunter. I’m sure it’s also enjoyable to the wolf
     
    All kinds of things are enjoyable to many people, from torturing animals, eating too much food, ghetto fights, bullying, rape, ghetto drivebys, football hooligan fighting, school shootings, etc.

    Something cannot be considered a sin, if it was not in some way giving one person's consciousness enjoyment.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another's pain, should be encouraged or romanticized in a silly way which is typical of American culture of the last couple centuries (the romancization, is also promoted by the firearms, equipment industry, and the general advertising culture).

    Hunters and poachers as a way to feed the family for poor people - it's a different category, to the extent they don't kill for pleasure.


    sanitize oneself from reality instead of coming to know in your guts
     
    I've lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a "bad karma" situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.

    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities - for farmers which know them.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.

    Urbanized culture people trying to romanticize about agricultural life, but realities of industries like dairy farming is something becomes more difficult to romanticize the closer you saw it.

    -

    With no offense to AP. One of the ways someone is a product of privileged culture, is when they romanticize dogs, above other animals - and this is typical in American culture (e.g. Hollywood films like "Independence Day", where the dog miraculously escapes disaster).

    Because in the farm life, a dog is often given a less pleasant life by the farmers than the cows. That is, the dog is tied to the outside of the cowshed. And many people in farms are doing this - attaching the dog to a building.

    Dogs have one of the lowest positions in agriculture life of the nonwealthy and peasants - as your cheapest form of security system.

    Replies: @Wency, @AP

    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.

    As Wency pointed out, these people are not typical but absolutely weird. It’s like saying the typical skier based on youtube videos gets helicoptered to a mountain and skis straight down steep cliffs.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another’s pain

    Hunting is not based on “pain of another consciousness.” The kill is only a part of it, and no normal hunter wants to inflict pain, they try to get a clean shot that minimizes the pain. Hunting is much more about nature. Killing for food is being a part of nature.

    I’ve lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a “bad karma” situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.

    You should be grateful to them for taking on this burden in order for you to be fed.

    The agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them. On normal farms both benefit -animals have a good deal too. In the wild they live lives always on watch, and trying not to starve. Eventually when they get too old or too slow they get torn alive by wolves or bears. On farms they don’t worry about starvation and don’t have to always be looking out for predators. Their end is less painful.

    Factory farms OTOH strike me as being very evil.

    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities – for farmers which know them.

    Yes.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.

    Others can be friendly, but only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner. It is a partner. Dogs are the only animal to consistently seek out comfort from humans when they are hurt (at least, if they are not chronically abused). I noticed at the veterinarians’ that immediately after getting a painful shot the dog will seek out assurance from the same vet who gave it the needle. Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AP

    Well, I don't know if anyone would consider it a deal to be castrated. Though, OTOH, the Aurochs is extinct. And they say that many starving Chinese willingly became court eunuchs.

    , @Dmitry
    @AP


    only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner.
     
    Dogs are loyal to owners (due to the highly discipline pack structure of the wolves they descend from) and see you as their lead wolf - everyone loves the story of Hachiko in Shibuya .

    But actually a lot of animals have been observed to save humans, sometimes not even domestic animals. And if we had more similar pets to ourselves like gorillas - they would be doing even "human like" things for us.

    E.g.
    "Experience: my horse saved me from a raging cow: I was stunned to see that my horse, Kerry Gold (who’d been in the same paddock), had galloped over and started kicking the cow with her back hooves. Recognising I was in trouble, she continued to lash out at the cow as I crawled away to safety under the electric fence."
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/nov/21/experience-my-horse-saved-me-from-raging-cow

    "Dolphins save swimmers from shark
    "Environment group Orca Research said dolphins attacked sharks to protect themselves and their young, so their actions in protecting the lifesavers was understandable.They could have sensed the danger to the swimmers and taken action to protect them,” Orca’s Ingrid Visser told NZPA."

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/11/23/dolphins-save-swimmers-from-shark

    "Beluga Whale Saves Drowning Diver"
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/mila-to-the-rescue-beluga-whale-saves-drowning-diver

    "Pet parrot saves Australian man from house fire"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54803700

    "Gorilla Carries 3-Year-Old Boy to Safety After He Fell Into Enclosure in 1996 Incident"
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/gorilla-carries-year-boy-safety-fell-enclosure-1996/story?id=39479586

    Cat saving abandoned baby
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdLnKQWhZ58
    Cat saving family from fire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xobxg1kN8iQ


    agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them... Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

     

    If I was talking to Korean culture people rather than American culture people, they might say Koreans traditionally "protect a dog from predators, provide it food and eat it in exchange".

    It's the same as protecting a pig or cow from predators, and eating it in exchange. You can say that dogs have some special loyalty (because of their wolf pack structure), while pigs have a more independent personality.

    But just loyalty itself is not basis of relations between humans. Someone might like friends who follow you everywhere - another might like a friend with a more independent personality.

    Objectively pigs are quite similar animals to dogs, with some personality differences, different intelligence, - and less instrumental use (pigs do not herd sheep, for example), but their dead bodies provide more nutrition than a dog (although Koreans and Chinese might disagree).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l49oyaB-KRI


    Coyotes not only kill livestock, but also cats and dogs. They can be clever when doing so – a coyote can “befriend” a naive dog
     
    Because coyotes are almost identical animal as a dog (domesticated wolf), prior to dogs' domestication.

    But street dogs that live homeless, create into packs (just like wolves and coyotes) and will try to kill farmers' chickens and they also be reported to hunt and cannibalize other dogs. I'm not saying street dogs do this on the same scale as coyotes, but the same behaviour trends there.


    skewed view of hunting, based on youtube videos.

     

    But the YouTubers and Influencers are part of the hobby's culture, even if they are representative of the less pleasant, narcissistic and vulgar parts of the hobby.

    As in hobbies like "audiophilia" or "motorsports" - the YouTubers are often more fanatical, stupid and unpleasant, than a normal audiophile or motorsportsman. But these YouTubers have a strong influence, receive sponsorship from the equipment manufacturers, etc.

    YouTube has strong influence on the culture of the different hobbies.

    In many of these YouTubers, this hi-tech, not military special forces LARPing is difficult to ignore. It's not proving an impression of harmony with animals and the natural world -
    Some seem trying to recreate "warcrime scenes" from Vietnam war films like "Full Metal Jacket"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ir6LDRH7J0

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP, @A123

  232. @Dmitry
    @AP


    New England loved Obama. But not quite so much Hillary
     
    Obama's popularity by state against Romney matches a lot to the income level of the state.

    It's surprising because Romney was the most adequate, intelligent and professional Republican candidate so far this century. But Obama was apparently like political opium of the higher income regions of America.

    Here are top states in America by median income.

    https://i.imgur.com/uQ3Nrjh.jpg

    And here are top states in America by proportion of the population who voted for Obama instead of Mitt Romney in 2012.

    https://i.imgur.com/BqkpBZ7.jpg

    Excluding a few unusual states like Alaska (higher income but not pro-Obama), Michigan (no-high income, but pro-Obama) and Utah (quite high income, but was by far the most pro-Romney voting state in all of USA in 2012), they are very similar lists. E.g. California 7th in income, and 8th in pro-Obama.

    Replies: @AP

    It’s surprising because Romney was the most adequate, intelligent and professional Republican candidate so far this century. But Obama was apparently like political opium of the higher income regions of America.

    Romney had to act like Bush to win the primary which turned off rich voters, and was then demonized by the Leftist media. Only when he was harmless has he been rehabilitated by the same Leftist media.

  233. @AaronB
    @AaronB

    I'm sorry, I realize this post seems like it has nothing to do with APs post an came out of the blue.

    The photos AP provided in his post, are of classic houses in the Neo-Gothic style, as is much of the old architecture in Dmitry's videos.

    Personally, I am a fan of neo-Gothic - and the philosophy behind it :) - but interestingly, in the early 20th century the Victorian style was considered ugly and pastiche and imitative, and huge swathes of it were torn down!

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    interestingly, in the early 20th century the Victorian style was considered ugly and pastiche and imitative, and huge swathes of it were torn down!

    Not just Victorian styled homes unfortunately, but other older styles too. Many such huge and grand edifices were torn down for a myriad of reasons. New zoning considerations including railroad and freeway building, commercial expansion and fires all took their toll, but undoubtedly financial disasters played a disproportionate share of lost mansions and opulent homes. The author of this book states that at least 500 such homes have forever disappeared over time in the Twin Cities area:

    Nobody can say for sure how many lost mansions haunt the Twin Cities, but at least five hundred can be accounted for in public records and archives. In Minneapolis and St. Paul, entire neighborhoods of luxurious homes have disappeared, virtually without a trace. Many grand estates that once spread out over hundreds of acres along the shores of Lake Minnetonka are also gone. .

    • Replies: @AaronB
    @Mr. Hack

    A very sad architectural loss, Me Hack.

    I sometimes think of how charmingly varied a landscape 19th century Brooklyn was.

    You have the old downtown area, full of attractive brownstones and boulevards, a unique and beautiful park with statues and fountains, the imposing Central Library and the beautiful plaza with statues that surround it.

    Then on the other side of the park you have the "suburbs", neighborhoods full of fine old Victorian houses and mansions, with their eccentric and neo-Gothic decorative motifs, and pleasant gardens (many still existing today).

    And beyond that, the farmland would begin. You'd be in the"country" in an hour or twos walk from the brownstones of downtown!

    And beyond the farms, you'd have the forest and the rocky coast and beach, a touch of "wilderness".

    A world entire unto itself, varied and complete, lost! Today all is drab ugliness, with only pockets of charm - that you pay dearly for.

    And I am sure this happened in dozens of American cities and around the world.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack

  234. @AP
    @Dmitry


    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.
     
    As Wency pointed out, these people are not typical but absolutely weird. It's like saying the typical skier based on youtube videos gets helicoptered to a mountain and skis straight down steep cliffs.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another’s pain
     
    Hunting is not based on "pain of another consciousness." The kill is only a part of it, and no normal hunter wants to inflict pain, they try to get a clean shot that minimizes the pain. Hunting is much more about nature. Killing for food is being a part of nature.

    I’ve lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a “bad karma” situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.
     

    You should be grateful to them for taking on this burden in order for you to be fed.

    The agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them. On normal farms both benefit -animals have a good deal too. In the wild they live lives always on watch, and trying not to starve. Eventually when they get too old or too slow they get torn alive by wolves or bears. On farms they don't worry about starvation and don't have to always be looking out for predators. Their end is less painful.

    Factory farms OTOH strike me as being very evil.


    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities – for farmers which know them.
     
    Yes.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.
     
    Others can be friendly, but only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner. It is a partner. Dogs are the only animal to consistently seek out comfort from humans when they are hurt (at least, if they are not chronically abused). I noticed at the veterinarians' that immediately after getting a painful shot the dog will seek out assurance from the same vet who gave it the needle. Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry

    Well, I don’t know if anyone would consider it a deal to be castrated. Though, OTOH, the Aurochs is extinct. And they say that many starving Chinese willingly became court eunuchs.

  235. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    As if wiping away the Blacks in Detroit will reverse long-standing deindustrialization (which took the main rationale for Detroit's erstwhile existence away and largely led to the blight the city has)

    Replies: @songbird

    Deindustrialization might explain blight in a small steel town in the middle of nowhere, but it does not explain blight in a major city like Detroit. The suburbs are still there. It is still fundamentally a good location – not the middle of north Siberia.

    The blight is because people don’t want to invest in it. Otherwise all the abandoned factories would become condos. That is deindustrialization in a major city, where there isn’t a demographic problem.

    Detroit’s dysfunction began earlier. During the ’67 riots, unemployment was very low. It was one of the most prosperous places in the world. When barbarians burn 1400 buildings, civilized people will inevitably notice and flee. Even the barbarians will flee, looking to ensconce themselves among others.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @songbird

    Monoindustry areas of West Virginia which are dependent on coal mining - looked to me still superficially quite wealthy (as most of America) on Nick Johnson YouTube. But according to the audio commentary, apparently the decline of the coal industry, a lot of the population has been psychologically broken and is becoming addicted to heroin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYMxaCoOA1k

    Replies: @Wency, @songbird

    , @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    A Detroit with mostly White Trash population might be less violent, but the rot would still be visible as to deter much of those "gentrification"

    Blacks did and can still riot, but don't think poor Whites would continue to be pacific when waves of civil unrest come. They can be more organized and targeted, but the aggressiveness is still there.

    You are kicking the economic and social causes away and leaving only the racial, for the facts to fit your (somewhat common) worldview. Nothing in this world is as simplistic.

    Replies: @sudden death

  236. @AP
    @Dmitry


    Inuit can also buy food

    These are poor people who need to hunt for food. It’s excluding them (mostly) from the category of killing for pleasure.
     

    Inuit hunt with expensive snowmobiles and expensive rifles. There is poverty up there by Western standards but they are not barely eking out an existence. They are probably richer than average Belarussians or Ukrainians.

    They wake up very early, spend hours in nature

    As for spending time in nature, if they (your friends) are not consumers of the most unnatural paraphernalia and hi-tech equipment, then it can become more believable as a motivation.

    In YouTube, American hunter culture appears more of very unnatural people who are addicted to purchasing military technology and “outdoor equipment” to modify their experience, before they can lose the fear of going into a forest.
     

    You can get a very skewed view of hunting, based on youtube videos.

    I understand coyote is a pest for farmers, but YouTubers are killing for the pleasure of the execution.
     
    I never knew coyote hunters, only deer hunters. The point is to get a quick kill, anyone who is a sadist would be regarded as an asshole. The hunting process involves spending hours in the forests, tracking animals and getting close enough to kill them. Deer are brought back and turned into venison. Hunters have a greater appreciation and understanding of nature than most people do.

    People who have lost animals to coyotes really dislike them. Coyotes not only kill livestock, but also cats and dogs. They can be clever when doing so - a coyote can "befriend" a naive dog, convince it to go to the woods, and then kill it with its partner-coyote. But my own dogs are rather wolflike in appearance, I would not be able to kill a coyote.


    Except the zombies in Vancouver were mostly whites (and a few Native Americans)

    This would interesting to see. How did you find Vancouver otherwise – is it as great as everyone says?
     

    Very cool city. A 1970s vision of the the 23rd century would look like - all glass, clean and bright, with spectacular nature all around. Full of Chinese people, and enough Japanese for excellent sushi. But the junkies are a problem. During the day they are concentrated in that area between downtown and Chinatown. We stayed in an expensive area downtown but were told that at night the junkies spread out and can break into cars.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Very cool city. A 1970s vision of the the 23rd century would look like – all glass, clean and bright, with spectacular nature all around. Full of Chinese people, and enough Japanese for excellent sushi. But the junkies are a problem. During the day they are concentrated in that area between downtown and Chinatown. We stayed in an expensive area downtown but were told that at night the junkies spread out and can break into cars.

    A well written short description of Vancouver. I used to watch a Canadian coroner/detective show centered in Vancouver called “DaVinci’s Inquest” where the protagonist spent a lot of time in the seedier parts of town, but occasionally the glitzier, “bright” side of town would also be shown.

    My boss at work recently spent a week in Vancouver with his wife, sightseeing. He was quite impressed. Closest that I’ve been to Vancouver in that part of the world is Portland, OR. I’ve been there several times, and thought that it was a beautiful town. Hopefully, like Minneapolis, its been able to maintain its charm after all of the BLM nonsense that took place there last summer.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    Lol, this is Surrey Vancouver which is quickly becoming the 2nd Downtown or Hub of the MVA||

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCGrVZUrtfE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEjIfWprInM

    Calgary is like this 2 I heard, and Toronto about 5 years away..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @AP
    @Mr. Hack


    Closest that I’ve been to Vancouver in that part of the world is Portland, OR. I’ve been there several times, and thought that it was a beautiful town
     
    The American Pacific Northwest and Vancouver have the same climate and nature but the urban landscape is strikingly different. Places like Seattle or Portland havee we a cozy organic quality to them; Vancouver is like the Emerald City from Wizard of Oz.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  237. @Mr. Hack
    @AP


    Very cool city. A 1970s vision of the the 23rd century would look like – all glass, clean and bright, with spectacular nature all around. Full of Chinese people, and enough Japanese for excellent sushi. But the junkies are a problem. During the day they are concentrated in that area between downtown and Chinatown. We stayed in an expensive area downtown but were told that at night the junkies spread out and can break into cars.
     
    A well written short description of Vancouver. I used to watch a Canadian coroner/detective show centered in Vancouver called "DaVinci's Inquest" where the protagonist spent a lot of time in the seedier parts of town, but occasionally the glitzier, "bright" side of town would also be shown.

    https://offscreen.com/images/articles/_resized/DaVinci-banner-1000.jpg

    My boss at work recently spent a week in Vancouver with his wife, sightseeing. He was quite impressed. Closest that I've been to Vancouver in that part of the world is Portland, OR. I've been there several times, and thought that it was a beautiful town. Hopefully, like Minneapolis, its been able to maintain its charm after all of the BLM nonsense that took place there last summer.

    Replies: @sher singh, @AP

    Lol, this is Surrey Vancouver which is quickly becoming the 2nd Downtown or Hub of the MVA||

    Calgary is like this 2 I heard, and Toronto about 5 years away..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @sher singh

    Is this what you represent? Are these your homeboys? Have at it!

    Replies: @sher singh

  238. @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    Lol, this is Surrey Vancouver which is quickly becoming the 2nd Downtown or Hub of the MVA||

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCGrVZUrtfE

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEjIfWprInM

    Calgary is like this 2 I heard, and Toronto about 5 years away..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Is this what you represent? Are these your homeboys? Have at it!

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @sher singh
    @Mr. Hack

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363116454313984/826609768448917534/unknown.png

    https://twitter.com/GitaBot/status/1355956669424029696?s=20

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/777363116454313984/778747800362942474/unknown.png

    ਜਾ ਤਨ ਮਧੁ ਕੀਟਭ ਕਹੁ ਖੰਡ੍ਯੋ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥
    That, which sliced the bodies of Madhu & Kaitabha, and destroyed Sumbha and Nisumbha

    ਸੋਈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਲਗੇ ਜਗ ਦਾਇਨ ਰਹੋ ਹਮਾਰੇ ॥੭੮॥
    At the end of my life, let that Kirpan, remain strapped to my left side

    Guru Gobind Singh: Rudravatar, Parasnath Katha
    Dasam Guru Granth: 681

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  239. @AaronB
    As everyone here knows, I have long been leery of attempts to import China's grueling 996 culture of overwork, ruthless competition, and elite privilege to America, making serfs of us all.

    (Which is not to say I don't think the American system needs reform. But you don't reform a bad system by praising one just as bad or worse!)

    But I am immensely pleased to say, that Americans are begining to import Chinese social trends - but not exactly as our elites would have wanted :)

    Finally, China leading in a good way!

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-09-13/-lie-flat-if-you-want-but-be-ready-to-pay-the-price

    Americans are adopting the Lie Flat trend!

    The hilarious thing about the article, is it's attempt to "scare" Americans that they'll make less money if they do this lol.

    Here in Moab Utah, the local McDonald's has a sign offering jobs for $19/hr, paid vacation, medical coverage, flexible hours and days off, and help with college - and they can't fill their positions!

    In many ways, our times are improving - I want to write more about this in future.

    In his book Against The Grain, James C Scott writes that so called "Dark Ages" probably saw vast improvements in health, freedom, and living conditions as people "escaped" exploitative civilizations where you were a serf for a king.

    Likewise, today's "decline" may be a turn away from frivolous things like national power and pointless wealth - and towards happiness :)

    Even the sheer idiocy and frivolity of our culture wars may be a good sign that we aren't really serious people anymore - and thank God.

    Of course, the "serious" people will write of this as a decline - but for everyone else, it will be a rise :)

    People are definitely having more fun in America than I remember 20 years ago. In a few hundred years, no doubt serious historians will not this as a period of "decline" :)

    Replies: @Colin Wright

    ‘As everyone here knows, I have long been leery of attempts to import China’s grueling 996 culture of overwork, ruthless competition, and elite privilege to America, making serfs of us…’

    A relief for us all, I’m sure.

  240. @AP
    @Dmitry


    A typical American hunters are not going back to nature, from the evidence of what we can see in YouTube. They are engaging in a luxury pleasure hobby, with the amenities of high technology.
     
    As Wency pointed out, these people are not typical but absolutely weird. It's like saying the typical skier based on youtube videos gets helicoptered to a mountain and skis straight down steep cliffs.

    But the issue is those enjoyments which are based on pain of another consciousness. And whether these pleasures that are derived from another’s pain
     
    Hunting is not based on "pain of another consciousness." The kill is only a part of it, and no normal hunter wants to inflict pain, they try to get a clean shot that minimizes the pain. Hunting is much more about nature. Killing for food is being a part of nature.

    I’ve lived on dairy farms of relatives. Even as a child, you can see that it is a “bad karma” situation.

    Farming people have quite a solitary, boring life and has to become friends with the animals, and yet in the end has to betray them.
     

    You should be grateful to them for taking on this burden in order for you to be fed.

    The agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them. On normal farms both benefit -animals have a good deal too. In the wild they live lives always on watch, and trying not to starve. Eventually when they get too old or too slow they get torn alive by wolves or bears. On farms they don't worry about starvation and don't have to always be looking out for predators. Their end is less painful.

    Factory farms OTOH strike me as being very evil.


    By the way, these animals like cows, are surprisingly nice and with unique personalities – for farmers which know them.
     
    Yes.

    Part of the illusion of city people, is the belief that these animals like cows, goats and pigs are less individual or conscious, than their dog or cat. But they can actually as intelligent and friendly as a dog.
     
    Others can be friendly, but only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner. It is a partner. Dogs are the only animal to consistently seek out comfort from humans when they are hurt (at least, if they are not chronically abused). I noticed at the veterinarians' that immediately after getting a painful shot the dog will seek out assurance from the same vet who gave it the needle. Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

    Replies: @songbird, @Dmitry

    only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner.

    Dogs are loyal to owners (due to the highly discipline pack structure of the wolves they descend from) and see you as their lead wolf – everyone loves the story of Hachiko in Shibuya .

    But actually a lot of animals have been observed to save humans, sometimes not even domestic animals. And if we had more similar pets to ourselves like gorillas – they would be doing even “human like” things for us.

    E.g.
    “Experience: my horse saved me from a raging cow: I was stunned to see that my horse, Kerry Gold (who’d been in the same paddock), had galloped over and started kicking the cow with her back hooves. Recognising I was in trouble, she continued to lash out at the cow as I crawled away to safety under the electric fence.”
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/nov/21/experience-my-horse-saved-me-from-raging-cow

    “Dolphins save swimmers from shark
    “Environment group Orca Research said dolphins attacked sharks to protect themselves and their young, so their actions in protecting the lifesavers was understandable.They could have sensed the danger to the swimmers and taken action to protect them,” Orca’s Ingrid Visser told NZPA.”

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/11/23/dolphins-save-swimmers-from-shark

    “Beluga Whale Saves Drowning Diver”
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/mila-to-the-rescue-beluga-whale-saves-drowning-diver

    “Pet parrot saves Australian man from house fire”
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54803700

    “Gorilla Carries 3-Year-Old Boy to Safety After He Fell Into Enclosure in 1996 Incident”
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/gorilla-carries-year-boy-safety-fell-enclosure-1996/story?id=39479586

    Cat saving abandoned baby

    Cat saving family from fire

    agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them… Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

    If I was talking to Korean culture people rather than American culture people, they might say Koreans traditionally “protect a dog from predators, provide it food and eat it in exchange”.

    It’s the same as protecting a pig or cow from predators, and eating it in exchange. You can say that dogs have some special loyalty (because of their wolf pack structure), while pigs have a more independent personality.

    But just loyalty itself is not basis of relations between humans. Someone might like friends who follow you everywhere – another might like a friend with a more independent personality.

    Objectively pigs are quite similar animals to dogs, with some personality differences, different intelligence, – and less instrumental use (pigs do not herd sheep, for example), but their dead bodies provide more nutrition than a dog (although Koreans and Chinese might disagree).

    Coyotes not only kill livestock, but also cats and dogs. They can be clever when doing so – a coyote can “befriend” a naive dog

    Because coyotes are almost identical animal as a dog (domesticated wolf), prior to dogs’ domestication.

    But street dogs that live homeless, create into packs (just like wolves and coyotes) and will try to kill farmers’ chickens and they also be reported to hunt and cannibalize other dogs. I’m not saying street dogs do this on the same scale as coyotes, but the same behaviour trends there.

    skewed view of hunting, based on youtube videos.

    But the YouTubers and Influencers are part of the hobby’s culture, even if they are representative of the less pleasant, narcissistic and vulgar parts of the hobby.

    As in hobbies like “audiophilia” or “motorsports” – the YouTubers are often more fanatical, stupid and unpleasant, than a normal audiophile or motorsportsman. But these YouTubers have a strong influence, receive sponsorship from the equipment manufacturers, etc.

    YouTube has strong influence on the culture of the different hobbies.

    In many of these YouTubers, this hi-tech, not military special forces LARPing is difficult to ignore. It’s not proving an impression of harmony with animals and the natural world –
    Some seem trying to recreate “warcrime scenes” from Vietnam war films like “Full Metal Jacket”

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry


    Some seem trying to recreate “warcrime scenes” from Vietnam war films like “Full Metal Jacket”

     

    By the way, read the comments in the video. When you see how they write, it is difficult to deny there must be some "problems" (to say mildly) with online influencers and their followers in this segment of American culture.
    , @AP
    @Dmitry


    But actually a lot of animals have been observed to save humans, sometimes not even domestic animals
     
    Correct, other higher animals may save humans. But as I wrote, only dogs will regularly sacrifice themselves for their humans. A cat will hide under the bed if it’s owner is attacked by an intruder but a small dog of similar size will often fight to the death (I once saw a video of a cat attacking a dog that been aggressive toward a child but this sort of thing is very rare). As you noted, it is probably the result of the pack mentality.

    I have had both cats and dogs. Cats are aesthetically pleasing and they sometimes bring you gifts. But they won’t fight or die for you and if they are upset or sick they prefer to be left alone. Dogs are closer.


    If I was talking to Korean culture people rather than American culture people, they might say Koreans traditionally “protect a dog from predators, provide it food and eat it in exchange
     
    Dogs evolved from wolves, who generally don’t have predators. They joined humans as hunting partners and guardians, in exchange for part of the spoils. Regularly using them as food is literally a perversion, in addition to being a betrayal.

    But just loyalty itself is not basis of relations between humans. Someone might like friends who follow you everywhere – another might like a friend with a more independent personality
     
    Sure. Some friends will help you if you are in trouble, others will walk away. People like different kinds of friends.

    YouTube has strong influence on the culture of the different hobbies.
     
    I think you overestimate it. Most hunters do not watch such videos and most people who watch such videos are not hunters. And hunting of course preceded the creation of these videos.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @A123
    @Dmitry

    Wild Boar are very destructive (1)


    Wild boars are responsible for more than $1.5 billion in property damage annually nationwide, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, with much of that occurring in Florida.
     
    They can also be very large (2)

    Wade Seago shot the boar three times before the 372kg (820lb) animal was killed.

    Seago was alerted to the huge boar’s presence by his frightened daughter.
     

    If paying tourists do not provide pest control, what is the other option? Taxing people so government can run it? As long as the helicopter hunting is done in a manner that does not endanger people on the ground.... It is hard to raise objections.

    Pigs are pretty smart. In the amusing but unsubstantiated category -- There are rumors that some Wild Boar in Texas have actually learned to play dead in response to helicopter sounds.

    PEACE 😇
    __________


    (1) https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2021/05/24/feral-hogs-cause-damage-fear-in-orange-county-neighborhood/

    (2) https://www.rt.com/viral/397092-wild-boar-shot-alabama/

     
    https://cdni.rt.com/files/2017.07/article/59711097dda4c8b3598b4567.jpg

    Replies: @Wency, @songbird

  241. sher singh says:
    @Mr. Hack
    @sher singh

    Is this what you represent? Are these your homeboys? Have at it!

    Replies: @sher singh

    ਜਾ ਤਨ ਮਧੁ ਕੀਟਭ ਕਹੁ ਖੰਡ੍ਯੋ ਸੁੰਭ ਨਿਸੁੰਭ ਸੰਘਾਰੇ ॥
    That, which sliced the bodies of Madhu & Kaitabha, and destroyed Sumbha and Nisumbha

    ਸੋਈ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਲਗੇ ਜਗ ਦਾਇਨ ਰਹੋ ਹਮਾਰੇ ॥੭੮॥
    At the end of my life, let that Kirpan, remain strapped to my left side

    Guru Gobind Singh: Rudravatar, Parasnath Katha
    Dasam Guru Granth: 681

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  242. @Dmitry
    @AP


    only a dog will sacrifice its own life for its owner.
     
    Dogs are loyal to owners (due to the highly discipline pack structure of the wolves they descend from) and see you as their lead wolf - everyone loves the story of Hachiko in Shibuya .

    But actually a lot of animals have been observed to save humans, sometimes not even domestic animals. And if we had more similar pets to ourselves like gorillas - they would be doing even "human like" things for us.

    E.g.
    "Experience: my horse saved me from a raging cow: I was stunned to see that my horse, Kerry Gold (who’d been in the same paddock), had galloped over and started kicking the cow with her back hooves. Recognising I was in trouble, she continued to lash out at the cow as I crawled away to safety under the electric fence."
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/nov/21/experience-my-horse-saved-me-from-raging-cow

    "Dolphins save swimmers from shark
    "Environment group Orca Research said dolphins attacked sharks to protect themselves and their young, so their actions in protecting the lifesavers was understandable.They could have sensed the danger to the swimmers and taken action to protect them,” Orca’s Ingrid Visser told NZPA."

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/11/23/dolphins-save-swimmers-from-shark

    "Beluga Whale Saves Drowning Diver"
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/adventure/article/mila-to-the-rescue-beluga-whale-saves-drowning-diver

    "Pet parrot saves Australian man from house fire"
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-54803700

    "Gorilla Carries 3-Year-Old Boy to Safety After He Fell Into Enclosure in 1996 Incident"
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/gorilla-carries-year-boy-safety-fell-enclosure-1996/story?id=39479586

    Cat saving abandoned baby
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdLnKQWhZ58
    Cat saving family from fire
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xobxg1kN8iQ


    agreement with livestock is that people provide them with food and safety from predators and in exchange they eat them... Harming a dog is much more of a betrayal than harming a cow or pig that one has raised.

     

    If I was talking to Korean culture people rather than American culture people, they might say Koreans traditionally "protect a dog from predators, provide it food and eat it in exchange".

    It's the same as protecting a pig or cow from predators, and eating it in exchange. You can say that dogs have some special loyalty (because of their wolf pack structure), while pigs have a more independent personality.

    But just loyalty itself is not basis of relations between humans. Someone might like friends who follow you everywhere - another might like a friend with a more independent personality.

    Objectively pigs are quite similar animals to dogs, with some personality differences, different intelligence, - and less instrumental use (pigs do not herd sheep, for example), but their dead bodies provide more nutrition than a dog (although Koreans and Chinese might disagree).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l49oyaB-KRI


    Coyotes not only kill livestock, but also cats and dogs. They can be clever when doing so – a coyote can “befriend” a naive dog
     
    Because coyotes are almost identical animal as a dog (domesticated wolf), prior to dogs' domestication.

    But street dogs that live homeless, create into packs (just like wolves and coyotes) and will try to kill farmers' chickens and they also be reported to hunt and cannibalize other dogs. I'm not saying street dogs do this on the same scale as coyotes, but the same behaviour trends there.


    skewed view of hunting, based on youtube videos.

     

    But the YouTubers and Influencers are part of the hobby's culture, even if they are representative of the less pleasant, narcissistic and vulgar parts of the hobby.

    As in hobbies like "audiophilia" or "motorsports" - the YouTubers are often more fanatical, stupid and unpleasant, than a normal audiophile or motorsportsman. But these YouTubers have a strong influence, receive sponsorship from the equipment manufacturers, etc.

    YouTube has strong influence on the culture of the different hobbies.

    In many of these YouTubers, this hi-tech, not military special forces LARPing is difficult to ignore. It's not proving an impression of harmony with animals and the natural world -
    Some seem trying to recreate "warcrime scenes" from Vietnam war films like "Full Metal Jacket"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ir6LDRH7J0

    Replies: @Dmitry, @AP, @A123

    Some seem trying to recreate “warcrime scenes” from Vietnam war films like “Full Metal Jacket”

    By the way, read the comments in the video. When you see how they write, it is difficult to deny there must be some “problems” (to say mildly) with online influencers and their followers in this segment of American culture.

  243. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Deindustrialization might explain blight in a small steel town in the middle of nowhere, but it does not explain blight in a major city like Detroit. The suburbs are still there. It is still fundamentally a good location - not the middle of north Siberia.

    The blight is because people don't want to invest in it. Otherwise all the abandoned factories would become condos. That is deindustrialization in a major city, where there isn't a demographic problem.

    Detroit's dysfunction began earlier. During the '67 riots, unemployment was very low. It was one of the most prosperous places in the world. When barbarians burn 1400 buildings, civilized people will inevitably notice and flee. Even the barbarians will flee, looking to ensconce themselves among others.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    Monoindustry areas of West Virginia which are dependent on coal mining – looked to me still superficially quite wealthy (as most of America) on Nick Johnson YouTube. But according to the audio commentary, apparently the decline of the coal industry, a lot of the population has been psychologically broken and is becoming addicted to heroin.

    • Replies: @Wency
    @Dmitry

    WV's problems are compounded by the fact that its population consists almost entirely of Borderers, and extractive industries like coal are worse than any other sort of industry for promoting development. It has always been a somewhat dysfunctional backwater -- it's just that it has become more dysfunctional and more backwater. It also doesn't help that it's surrounded by states with more opportunity, which makes it easy to move away to greener pastures and still be able to visit back home when you want.

    Spokane, WA is a city I'm somewhat familiar with, though one seldom discussed, and another model for what a deindustrialized white area can look like (87% white in the city, higher in the county/metro). Like Detroit, it started to have major economic problems and population declines in the 1960s and 1970s as the largest employer, Kaiser Aluminum, started to cut jobs -- though of course, never any riots or mass violence. Meth hit the city very hard as well in the 90s or so.

    But while I'd still call it a poor city, its economy eventually stabilized and the population is now at an all-time high. Cost of living is low. Property crime is high, but the homicide rate is low compared to both the US and WV. Poor white people will steal from you, but they usually won't murder you.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @songbird
    @Dmitry

    About matches my experience. Most of these rural post-industrial small towns that I've seen don't look bad, maybe, slightly weather worn. Occasionally, if you get off main street, you'll see some abandoned industrial buildings. But the houses are generally all fine.

    Personally, I've never felt unease from whites in a rural area. Though, increasingly they are settling Africans in some of these places, and they can look really scary and out of place. For example, you will see one just randomly leaning against some wall in a hoodie, where there is no foot traffic, and where in years of passing, you have never seen any lean there.

    Even in the bigger mill towns like Lowell (a bit nearer to Boston), places where there is genuine "white trash" being the dregs of the early immigrant waves, I've never felt very scared of whites in the day time. Though around a homeless shelter or drug clinic, you'll often see some very funny-looking characters that I wouldn't want to be around at night.

  244. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    Deindustrialization might explain blight in a small steel town in the middle of nowhere, but it does not explain blight in a major city like Detroit. The suburbs are still there. It is still fundamentally a good location - not the middle of north Siberia.

    The blight is because people don't want to invest in it. Otherwise all the abandoned factories would become condos. That is deindustrialization in a major city, where there isn't a demographic problem.

    Detroit's dysfunction began earlier. During the '67 riots, unemployment was very low. It was one of the most prosperous places in the world. When barbarians burn 1400 buildings, civilized people will inevitably notice and flee. Even the barbarians will flee, looking to ensconce themselves among others.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Yellowface Anon

    A Detroit with mostly White Trash population might be less violent, but the rot would still be visible as to deter much of those “gentrification”

    Blacks did and can still riot, but don’t think p