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Time for something more stereotypical.

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* The AK. About a couple of months ago the National Bolsheviks (“Other Russia”) had me round to their “bunker” for a podcast. It’s now been released, you can listen to it here. (Obviously only in Russian).

Alt Right columnist Tobias Langdon “featured me” as a Jew besmirching the noble Anglo at Counter-Currents.

* SJWs. Ed West (Unherd) – The West’s cultural revolution is over:

This is not some dark new age of cancel culture, however, it’s just a return to normality. Those who grew up in the late 20th century were living in a highly unusual time, one that could never be sustained, a sexual and cultural revolution that began in 1963 or 1968. But it has ended and, as all revolutionaries must do after storming the Bastille, they have built Bastilles of their own. The new order has brought in numerous methods used by the old order to exert control — not just censorship, but word taboo and rituals which everyone is forced to go along with, or at least not openly criticise. You might call it the new intolerance, or woke extremism, but all societies need the policing of social norms.

No one would satirise the transgender movement today; no one would dare point fun at BLM, or Pride month; no one would dare joke about George Floyd, because like the publishers of Gay Times in 1977, they might face jail for blasphemy. Instead leading satirist Sacha Baron Cohen makes a living making jokes at the expense of the little people. Indeed the only satire made now pokes fun at the old establishment, like punching the corpse of a once-ferocious zoo animal, or the people who still hold the old beliefs; the elderly, the less educated, the rural and provincial. The powerless.

This is one of the best meta-pieces on the Great Awokening to date IMO.

* CHINA. Global Times – Surveys in Chinese cities show only 4% of urban families have willingness to have third child (h/t Godfree Roberts). As I noted, I think a generation of “lowest-low” fertility is all but baked in for China. This has happened to all the Sinic cultures of East Asia, as well as South Korea, despite the big differences between their political systems. It would be presumptuous to think that the CPC can avert what the others, including Singapore, did not.

* RUSSIAGATE NOSTALGIA. Luke Harding – Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House. It reads like /r/esist fan fic.

The report – “No 32-04 \ vd” – is classified as secret. It says Trump is the “most promising candidate” from the Kremlin’s point of view. The word in Russian is perspektivny.

There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump, who is described as an “impulsive, mentally unstable and unbalanced individual who suffers from an inferiority complex”.

There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat, or potentially compromising material, on the future president, collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.

#ThatHappened. /s Actually, I strongly suspect it might have been a troll job. Anyhow, as Aaron Mate points out, even the likes of Maddow aren’t touching it with a ten foot pole.

* SOUTH AFRICA. Aaaa… I’m… I’m gonna loooooot!

Kirkegaard with a blast from the past (2019): South Africa’s Decline Is Worst Among Nations Not at War, Model Shows. I wonder if there’s some demographic tipping point at which it implodes.

* AFGHANISTAN. Zadran, S. K., Ilyas, M., & Dawari, S. (2021). Genetic variants associated with diseases in Afghan population. Molecular Genetics & Genomic Medicine, 9(5), e1608. Holtz: “In Afghanistan, the prevalence of cousin marriages is estimated to be 46.2%. The prevalent type of cousin marriage is first cousin marriage (27.8%), followed by double first cousin marriage (6.9%), second cousin (5.8%), and third cousin (3.9%).” Sailer noted this, and the implications for the chances of US success in Afghanistan, two decades ago. 😐

* Video of Taliban taking over a gym. Disclose TV: “UK will work with the Taliban if they take power in Afghanistan, says the British Defense Minister.”

* CORONA. Yuri Deigin – Get vaccinated! It could help you, like, not die… It’s pretty funny observing the hostile responses to it. Basically, what I think happened is that many anti-China right-wingers followed him after Wade propped him as the originator of the “biolab escape” theory, under the impression he was some kind of anti-China propagandist. This is not the case, to their chagrin.

Incidentally, I have largely refrained from opining on ivermectin. It did strike me as this year’s hydroxychloroquine (not suppressed, works to some extent in some cases, neither the silver bullet nor the snake oil of rightoid and soyjak imagination, respectively), but it’s not something I wanted to actively research. But happily, Deigin – compiled some several studies which shows it as “either ineffective or very mildly effective.”

* The Economist notes that the Italian team that took the Euro 2020 was all white.

* Noah Carl – Are the England players consistent anti-racists?

* comment: Bashizubuk sci-fi idea.

* Antifa lolcow WASBAPPIN now has a Substack and it’s arguably even more powerful than his (now sadly suspended) Twitter.

* Daily Beast – MAGA World’s ‘Freedom Phone’ Actually Budget Chinese Phone.

Richard Hanania: “Latest conservative grift is to buy a $120 Chinese phone, preload it with conservative apps, rename it the “Freedom Phone,” and sell it for $500.

While Freedom Phone’s founder has failed to include basic details about its device, he did line up a massive ad campaign among conservative influencers. Along with Owens, Stone, D’Souza, and Alexander, the Freedom Phone has also been backed by a number of other figures popular on the right, including Pizzagate conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec, journalist John Solomon, and Students for Trump cofounder Ryan Fournier.

OTOH, who can blame them? There’s a reason these influencers have made it and you haven’t. My observation is the more you scam rightoids, the more they respect you for it.

* FINANCE (NFA). Three companies of note have listed in recent weeks: Transferwise (now just Wise) (~$13B), a very easy to use service for international money transfers; 23andme (~$4B), which needs no introduction; and the European Medical Center (~$1B), a private chain of about a dozen high-end clinics in Moscow. I suspect all of them will do quite well. I was actually slightly surprised that 23andme mc is so low, the genomic data it has accumulated should be a goldmine for pharma companies.

 

 
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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    Commenting rules. Please note that anonymous comments are not allowed.

    • Replies: @Aedib
  2. The type of anti-Semitism displayed, by people like Langdon, is that which comes from a tiny number of status obsessed English bumpkins, always rejected and maligned by their peers, who have discovered a tiny shred of aristocracy in their otherwise ignoble lineage, leading them to delusions of natural leadership, if only it weren’t for (((them))).

    You can occasionally meet one, at an expensive club in London, which they can’t afford, and no one cool wants to go to anyway, wherein they thinly disguise their fretting over their declasse life, by name-dropping irrelevant minor peers.

    It isn’t that they are actually stupid and it isn’t that they are actually failures, it is just that they have made certain quieter choices in life, but don’t know it yet. In their confusion, in the meantime, it is good that they can find relief, by occasionally putting on a tweed jacket and strolling around like the bad guys from Caddyshack.

    It is a weakly rational version of undergoing past life regression, imagining yourself an Aztec Princess, and then spending decades obsessing over evil Conquistadors; except the Jews are no Conquistadors. The Conquistadors did actually take control of their societies and were as charismatic and handsome as they were cruel. The real Jews in the English elite tend to enter like all middle class strivers who succeed, get rich on something, send their children to “public” schools, be blended away and in.

  3. Indeed the only satire made now pokes fun at the old establishment, like punching the corpse of a once-ferocious zoo animal, or the people who still hold the old beliefs; the elderly, the less educated, the rural and provincial. The powerless.

    These people voted for Trump. Not only should they be satirized, but they should have that satire blasted into their skulls 24/7 like Gitmo torture victims — perhaps more Steven Colbert ice cream jokes as they’re dragged into the Walmart FEMA Camps for vaccine truancy.

    • Troll: tyrone
    • Replies: @Svevlad
  4. • Thanks: Aedib
  5. I prefer to think of you as a spiteful mongrel, like Lenin

    • LOL: songbird
  6. AaronB says:

    Just as 2% Jews dominate the world, so too 3% of Jewish ancestry dominates Karlin’s personality.

    There is no escape, Karlin.

    • LOL: SIMP simp
    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Dmitry
  7. songbird says:

    Here’s another sci-fi idea: could you take Abos and through genetic modification turn them into superior soldiers and fighter pilots? In another words, could you keep all their unique traits: their thick skulls, 4x visual acuity, impressive tolerance to temperature changes, and ability to eat what would make anyone else throw up, while radically increasing their IQ?

    And what about combining other HBD traits? The high altitude tolerance of Tibetans, the cold adaptation of Eskimos. The alcohol reaction of the Chinese, to discourage drunkenness. The small bodies of pygmies to reduce the need for rations.

    Perhaps, there would also be a way to take super-tasters and increase their abilities so that they rivaled blood hounds in their tracking ability.

  8. Passer by says:

    Surveys in Chinese cities show only 4% of urban families have willingness to have third child

    TFR is dropping like a rock.

    China’s Nightmare –

    View post on imgur.com

    With China having one of the worst demographics in the world, it becomes more and more clear that the ignorant talk of some “Sinotriumphalists” about China reaching 3 times the GDP of the US is becoming a joke.

    China will get no more than 1,5 bigger GDP in MER and 1,9 times in PPP and will be lucky if the US does not overtake it again later in the century.

    • Disagree: Yevardian
  9. Mr. Hack says:
    @Triteleia Laxa


    Here, they’ve recovered their real place within society. 🙂
    Fabulous album that I just bought yesterday and am listening to today!

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  10. @Passer by

    China is, I suspect, one of the countries that would be least affected by a spell in the sub-TFR=1.2 zone. Economies of scale will remain regardless, almost 40% of the population still in rural areas and a significant part of the rest in small towns that can be moved to the metropolises to increase productivity, and beyond that, plenty of cheap labor available for a few more decades in Central Asia, if it comes down to that. Also I don’t know if you’ve been keeping track but US TFR is also going sharply down, and White/Asian TFR’s (the ones who are actually running the O-Ring industries that underpin US economic power) are about 0.1 child below the average.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  11. Passer by says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Economies of scale will remain regardless

    For the US too.

    plenty of cheap labor available for a few more decades in Central Asia

    I doubt that China will launch large scale immigration policies, east asian countries are not fans of that.

    Also I don’t know if you’ve been keeping track..

    I’m. Yet the number of asians in the US is estimated to increase as Asian immigration is overtaking Latino immigration and starts to dominate US population inflows.

    This post was intended to provoke discussion, the US has issues too, and possible negative scenarios too.

    • Replies: @BS
  12. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    These dreams of maximizing a single quality strike me as based on a very deep mistake.

    Things are holistic – they come in sets, in “clusters”. You can’t have the good without the bad.

    You can’t simply isolate one element and maximize it without regard for it’s relationship to everything else in it’s cluster.

    Also, every good thing has a downside, and every bad thing a silver lining. If you wish one, you wish the other.

  13. Will the crypto market continue to punish me for trusting in a crypto summer?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  14. Beckow says:

    Those who grew up in the late 20th century were living in a highly unusual time, one that could never be sustained, a sexual and cultural revolution that began in 1963 or 1968. But it has ended and, as all revolutionaries must do after storming the Bastille, they have built Bastilles of their own.

    That may not be exactly what happened. The 60’s revolutionaries and their assorted hangers-on were happy pushing openness and more of everything – until they started to lose the argument. Then the woke maniacs shut down the public space because they were losing, roughly around 2015-18. One could see it as Bastille building, but it could also be simple inability to compete, a fear of looking ridiculous.

    On a smaller scale, hapless Luke Harding has been a professional Russophobe for years. His last attempt is so pathetic that it reminds me of the time he (or some other Guardianista) complained that a Moscow laundry wouldn’t give him his shirt without a claim ticket – they squarely blamed Putin for this outrage. To peddle “the most promising candidate” as anything other than a boiler-plate busy work (if it happened at all) is scraping the bottom even for the Guardian. It can take a long time to slide into oblivion, they have been at it for years.

  15. SafeNow says:

    On China’s National Judicial Exam, taken by hundreds of thousands of aspiring lawyers and judges, the following question was asked: “If you could rescue either your mother or your girlfriend from a deadly fire, which one would you rescue?” The ministry of justice later confirmed that the correct answer is that you save your mother; you are legally obligated. I wonder if saving the mother would be the result across various countries, occupations, and social classes.
    The Chinese Bar-Exam-question story:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/chinese-law-test-examines-crime-choosing-save-girlfriend-over-mother-a6671216.html

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  16. Anzelo says:

    Ok, someone please translate this article to english. I cant understand any of this. You drunk? What is the point of this? I only drank one beer, it is not possible i forgot english language completely. Maybe you are a retard, having fun there to write complete nonsense on purpose, to make us think we forgot how to read?

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  17. songbird says:

    Is it too late for the Zulu to separate from other blacks? Will South Africa divide in the future?

  18. inertial says:

    I fail to see a problem with “Freedom phone”. I wouldn’t buy one but I don’t see what’s so sneer-worthy about this idea.

    There is an increasing number of the so-called conservative intellectuals who like to ridicule “rightoids”. Hanania is one. Karlin wants to get on that train, too. What’s interesting to me is that there is nothing like this on the left. There is a ton of stupid “leftoids”, in fact whole demographics of them. But the smartest progressive intellectuals never make fun of those people. To the contrary, they are busy creating epicycles within epicycles to explain how someone like Ibram X. Kendi is not stupid but actually very smart.

    Re: Bashibuzuk’s sci-fi idea. Isn’t that basically the premise of Zardoz? There must be hundreds of books written around this idea going back to H.G. Wells’s Time Machine. My favorite is the forgotten classic Engine Summer by John Crowley.

  19. Svevlad says:
    @Supply and Demand

    Involuntary neuralink to troll them remotely 24/7 directly into their brain.

    • Agree: Supply and Demand
  20. Global fertility rate will likely drop below replacement in a few years.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  21. Svevlad says:
    @songbird

    Yes, you could.

    The only reason why for example we don’t have gorilla strength is because we had to specialize for more brain. With selective breeding, this can be reversed, as due to modern agriculture, that is obsolete. We can have absolutely ludicrous gains “naturally.”

    Now, the problem with Abos – is that there’s an absolutely hilariously ungodly small amount of purebloods left. Albeit with inserting all the larpwhites into the group I think something could be made…

    • Replies: @songbird
  22. @Anatoly Karlin

    My perspective is not one of building great, world-beating countries. I would prefer people just to have creative, free and secure lives.

    Nonetheless, the US is well-placed to ‘perform” well. I believe there is a general trend towards higher fertility for educated women, probably because of better technology. I also see that the US will continue to attract the cognitive elite to move there from everywhere, including China, for the indefinite future.

  23. @AnonFromTN

    Yes, that’s true. Harding has a habit of failing upwards. There are some speculations that he’s an MI6 asset and that this is his roof at The Guardian.

  24. Svevlad says:
    @SafeNow

    I like this sort of examination. The best way to judge someone’s integrity and character for such kinds of work is to ask those kinds of “difficult” questions.

    I’d argue that saving the girlfriend is the correct option. The parents, well, by creating me, have done their jobs, and became obsolete. The girlfriend has more potential.

  25. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Passer by

    Let’s try to use actual numbers.

    In 2050, China’s population might be 1.38 billion (down from 1.41 billion today). I’m adjusting a UN population estimate based on the results released from the 2020 Census to get this figure. In 2050, the US population will be 390 million based on the projection of the US Census. China’s population will still be about 3.5 times larger in 2050. So if Chinese GDP per capita nominal is 50% of US GDP per capita nominal, China will have an economy 175% larger. I agree with you that 300% is far-fetched but 150% seems low to me.

    In 2050, the US population will be a bit over 50% (white + Asian). It is currently 65% (white + Asian). Can you imagine the GDP per capita of the US is $65,000 this year if the country had the projected demographics of 2050? It would be lower than $65,000 and China would catch up faster.

    Are there any assumptions you don’t agree with in the calculation? What’s the scenario for the US catching up towards the end of the century?

  26. @40 Lashes Less One

    Roko (whose analysis I think is mostly correct) thinks so, he believes BTC will bottom out at $23k. I wouldn’t sell everything because downside is now limited and a supercycle stretching into 2022 can’t be absolutely excluded, but there’s a good chance that most alts will continue getting rekt through to the end of this year. Unfortunately, the quality coins tend to go down almost as hard as the shitcoins during the early bear market.

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    • Replies: @40 Lashes Less One
  27. @inertial

    I fail to see a problem with “Freedom phone”. I wouldn’t buy one but I don’t see what’s so sneer-worthy about this idea.

    Scammer buys a $125 Chinese shitphone, sells it at 4x markup with preinstalled apps from shitty Twitter clones that can’t even keep their data secure, fellow grifters who shill it get a 10% cut. Well, if the MAGA people want to spend an extra $375 for some slick advertising and installing apps that just happen to not be on Google Play, with the difference going to their favorite grifters… It’s a free market, I don’t really see a “problem” either. 🤷‍♂️

    I am not near audacious or amoral enough to even think of running such schemes on my audience. That said, I do reserve the right to “sneer” at the chumps who keep falling for these grifts, just like the SJWs sending their paychecks to their respective scammers and grifters are also funny. Probably this makes me the greater fool, after all, Candace, D’Souza, Jack Posobiec, etc. make much more money than me and get the deep respect of the people they scam, while I get called a spiteful mongrel on my own blog.

    But the smartest progressive intellectuals never make fun of those people. To the contrary, they are busy creating epicycles within epicycles to explain how someone like Ibram X. Kendi is not stupid but actually very smart.

    They are not intellectuals. Some of them might be clever, but they are political operatives, the mirror image of the MAGA grifters. There are plenty of intellectually honest thinkers on the progressive Left as well, the likes of Greenwald, Michael Tracey, and many others.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • LOL: Yevardian
    • Replies: @A123
    , @inertial
    , @Not Raul
  28. A123 says:

    * The Economist notes that the Italian team that took the Euro 2020 was all white.

    Good spot by AK.

    Does anyone else remember decades ago when The Economist was credible? Now, they are more cringe worthy than The New York Times… Which takes *real* effort.

    I picked out the retweet below a couple days ago planning for my:

    😆 Weekly Open Thread Humor [WOTH] 😂

    As some have commented on animations, three GIF’s are below the [MORE] tag.

    I have no idea who the child & parents are #3, but that is real creativity on display.

    PEACE 😇

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    • Replies: @kzn
  29. @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you think Willy Woo is a con man?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  30. A123 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Scammer buys a $125 Chinese shitphone, sells it at 4x markup with preinstalled apps from shitty Twitter clones that can’t even keep their data secure, fellow grifters who shill it get a 10% cut. Well, if the MAGA people want to spend an extra $375 for some slick advertising and installing apps that just happen to not be on Google Play, with the difference going to their favorite grifters… It’s a free market, I don’t really see a “problem” either. 🤷‍♂️

    Many people have signed up for more foolish things.

    It would he interested to know number of Freedom Phones sold (revenue) versus paid endorsements and advertising (expenses). The profit margin may not be that high looking at everything all-in.

    PEACE 😇

  31. @Triteleia Laxa

    The former might be correct (though the Great Awokening might be reversing things even as we speak – all these 666 gender memes affect the “educated” to a greater extent than the proles), but I think the latter is a tall order, whatever one’s thoughts on America’s trajectory, the countries that would constitute potential sources of high quality immigrants are improving at a much faster clip. In the 2000s, most surveyed Chinese students wanted to remain in the US, by the 2010s, the vast majority intended to go home and build up their own country.

  32. A123 says:

    The dramatically under reported story of the week (1)

    The Second Amendment Foundation said this week’s ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals declaring the ban on handgun sales to young adults in the 18-20-year age group to be unconstitutional is a “monumental victory for Second Amendment rights.”

    Judge Julius N. Richardson, writing for the majority, observed, “Looking through this historical lens to the text and structure of the Constitution reveals that 18- to 20-year-olds have Second Amendment rights. Virtually every other constitutional right applies whatever the age. And the Second Amendment is no different.”

    “Judge Richardson, in my estimation, has authored one of the best-written opinions in any gun rights case I’ve ever read,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “He has detailed the issue, provided the history and offered a perspective that doesn’t bow to political correctness.”

    They ruling lays out the metaphorical red carpet for an additional appeal: (2)

    The panel majority went on to point out that, even pre-dating the ratification of the U.S. Constitution and the Second Amendment within, 11 of the 13 original colonies had militia laws with an age threshold of 16 years to bear arms while the two outliers, Delaware and Pennsylvania, recognized age 18.

    One can predict the Leftoid reaction to a case allowing individuals under 18 to buy guns. Yet they are simultaneously saying the same group has sufficient decision making prowess to change genders. The hypocrisy will be entertainment.

    PEACE 😇
    ___________

    (1) https://www.ammoland.com/2021/07/gun-owners-hail-monumental-victory-for-gun-rights-in-4th-circuit-ruling/

    (2) https://www.guns.com/news/2021/07/14/court-finds-federal-21-and-over-law-on-handguns-unconstitutional

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  33. Svevlad says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I would prefer people just to have creative, free and secure lives.

    Interestingly, but I once thought up a scenario of some sort of hyper-oppressive government or AI that’s also at the same time benevolent. So how could this be?

    The conclusion that for people to have maximum creativity, freedom and security, they need to be liberated from everything, including government. So basically anarchy. Except, anarchy doesn’t provide for security, and doesn’t last long. People have needs they can’t fulfill themselves.

    Therefore, they need to actually be made as self-sufficient as possible. By any means necessary, and as quickly as possible. You don’t need to govern gods.

    Therefore, to accomplish this, an incredibly oppressive system that’s practically the exact opposite of what you prefer is instituted, where everyone’s lives revolve constantly and exclusively on improving themselves by any means necessary. This could last centuries.

    The catch is, is it worth, to doom billions, trillions even, to a lifetime of suffering, so that their descendants become basically godlike and have no needs at all which they can’t provide for themselves (sustenance/shelter/water etc) apart from socialization, allowing them to truly fully express their potential and creativity?

  34. @A123

    I have long thought that gun rights would be the last stand of implicit American identity. It cuts across class, racial, geographic, and even partisan lines.

    • Thanks: A123
  35. @Svevlad

    Yes, people have been grappling with whether great benefit makes great evil worthwhile for a long time. I understand why, but all of that stuff seems very tiring to me, and distracting from what actually exists.

    I am simpler. I just see people as on their individual journeys and that they may need a little push, here and there, to self-reflect along the way, with the culture being nudged towards basic tolerance, proficiency and respect for freedom.

    I do have ideas about how a government may better achieve this, but I also recognise that my ideas have less epistemological legitimacy than the general conglomeration of ideas which result in real world policy.

    That doesn’t mean I can’t disagree with it, as I have a voice and must respect myself, but it also means I need not get too upset by all of what I perceive as nonsense.

    Sometimes people choose darkness, because that is what they need, and I cannot be expected to pull them out of it. Trying to hard to do so will only dim me, and freak them out.

    Observe people, report back to them what you and perhaps take their chain of thought one step forward. That’s about as much as I want to do, never can do, otherwise I would be taking their own meaning away from them.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  36. @Anatoly Karlin

    whatever one’s thoughts on America’s trajectory, the countries that would constitute potential sources of high quality immigrants are improving at a much faster clip. In the 2000s, most surveyed Chinese students wanted to remain in the US, by the 2010s, the vast majority intended to go home and build up their own country.

    There’s still a lot who stay in the US, and there’s plenty of cognitively elite people in lots of other countries.

    Furthermore, the US is exciting and fun. Staying in China is safe and homely.

    Hayek got it right when he pointed out that modern economies run on information. The US is great at this, and has positioned itself extremely well to take advantage of it in the future.

    Take computer games. I just read an article on their censorship in China, which China is very extreme with. This is good for building up a domestic Chinese industry, but much worse for fusing the rest of the world to their market. Chinese products simply can’t be as interesting to most other places – they can’t even show cults for India, zombies for the Phillipines, vampires with blood for Europe.

    This means, that in many different ways, China is cut off from global information streams, from which the highest level of development is drunk, while the US is the country which all of them actually flow through.

    I appreciate that the above point is not very fleshed out, but it is only just coalescing as a clear image in my head. I will reflect on it.

  37. kzn says:
    @A123

    No joke – I was very surprised, though in a good way.

    All the big football teams have extensive scouting networks and Italy has had a fairly large surge in African migrants this millenium. Its no secret that lazy football scouts prioritise these African kids because they are bigger and quicker at younger ages ( much easier to identify a good youth athlete and convert him into a semi-decent footballer who can be sold for a big profit, than it is to identify a great pure football-talent kid)…… so you would have expected a result of these processes to be Italia having some generic big, strong and quick Africans in their team.

    The composition of the squad is very unusual in that they are from all parts of Italy from a club perspective, with many not even at good performing clubs. Spain, as with Italy also appears with their football team to be reversing the political/social trends in their country-the 1 African guy in the squad didn’t even play in the tournament.

    France, even though historically they have been successful in the big football tournaments, often look very ugly and disjointed in their football style – most probably because of all the different whites, Arabs and Africans they have. Italia looked very much a true team, very good to watch

    • Replies: @Beckow
  38. @Triteleia Laxa

    I am actually sorry for my comment. It was far too harsh and on the nose. I guess I miss 1960s London too. When rents in Cadogan Square were affordable and you could park outside your favourite nightclub, before driving home on genteel streets. I was born decades later, but I’ve heard the stories and it all sounds great.

  39. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    You can’t simply isolate one element and maximize it without regard for it’s relationship to everything else in it’s cluster.

    This is my fear as well, especially with the brain. And suppose you could somehow add the two things together, without one affecting the other, then would the rest of the body even match up with it? Would the volume of the skull be large enough? The neck strong enough? Would the root metabolism be sufficient to feed it?

    [MORE]

    I tend to be a bit skeptical of the Hsu argument that we can increase IQ to the same degree that we’ve increased crop yields. Maybe, we can make everyone a genius, but not an ultra super-genius. And making everyone a genius might have social costs as well. Some theorize that geniuses function for the good of society, and are not good at passing down their own seed.

    Of course, I wouldn’t describe myself as a radical transhumanist, in the same vein as some others here. It appeals more to my imagination than it does to my spirit, small areas of peculiar interest aside. Though, I am very enthusiastic about improving dogs, as I see it as a spiritual continuation of what we have done in the past. And the same is true to a smaller degree with other animals.

    Like, imagine a cat that was naturally immune to toxoplasmosis and did not make cat ladies even crazier. Another idea might be to make a cat that didn’t hunt birds. I understand cats kill billions of birds every year, and some are rare.

  40. songbird says:
    @Svevlad

    I think it was Greg Cochran who had the idea of making super Neanderthals. I don’t know if there is really enough ancient DNA to do it, even if we could. But I think it would be a pretty interesting idea, to try to make a Neanderthal Newton.

    Maybe, the unique qualities of the Neanderthal brain would mean that such a genius would make unique discoveries. Or maybe, he would be an evil genius who wants revenge on us for displacing his relatives.

  41. @songbird

    Some of it is possible, but its rarely that simple. High altitude tolerance is something that has been looked into, I believe, as it is pretty distinctive.

    https://theconversation.com/mixed-ancestry-genetic-research-shows-a-bit-of-native-american-dna-could-reduce-risk-of-alzheimers-disease-159118

    • Replies: @songbird
  42. @AaronB

    Also, every good thing has a downside, and every bad thing a silver lining.

    Not all downsides at applicable in modern society; e.g. many animal models do not maximize brainpower since it is extremely calorically costly. Humanity is not generally limited by calories.

    That said, a lot of traits are complex. Simply classifying them as “good” or “bad” is not very useful, and there are certainly possibilities for optimization(e.g. even traditional breeding).

  43. @Svevlad

    The conclusion that for people to have maximum creativity

    Creativity, surprisingly, is not improved by absolute freedom.

    https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/why-imposing-restrictions-can-actually-boost-creativity

    • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
    , @dfordoom
  44. Svevlad says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No vampires w/ blood in Europe? Doubt it. Did the EU furries get an upgrade to their autism again?

    Anyways, the BIG titles all come out of America, but they’re kinda bland, just like blockbuster movies. True artistic, soulful games, even if a bit janky, seem to come from the East, and not including the Japanese crappy grindfests weebs jack off to – titles like Pathologic, The Void, Underrail, the Witcher, Serious Sam.

    Granted, it was directed and designed by an American expat adequately named American, but the Chinese also gave us the underrated gem of 2011, Alice: Madness Returns, which is simply a beautiful game, even if weakened by EA’s interference.

    The US and satraps – seem to be running on fumes when it comes to actual creativity. It’s either stifled to maximize cash grabs, or butchered by wokeoids, or doesn’t even try. Few strong exceptions, like Valve, but there’s still no that feel in many of them, you know.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  45. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    What the Andeans have is different from what the Tibetans have. It is the quick and dirty solution, if you like, compared to the Tibetans who got theirs from Denisovans living on the Tibetan Plateau for hundreds of thousands of years. It definitely has costs, as well as benefits.

    BTW, I heard an interesting theory about intelligence recently. Supposedly, very smart people tend to have more autoimmune diseases. One theory is that intelligence – the extra awareness – somehow impinges on the body’s homeostatic mechanisms, throwing them out of wack. Of course, this might be a limitation for trying to make super intelligent humans.

    [MORE]

    I also found this interesting link about height and longevity in humans:
    https://www.fightaging.org/archives/2013/08/the-cost-of-being-tall-is-a-shorter-life-expectancy/

    What bowled me over was this:

    Among Sardinian soldiers who reach the age of 70, for example, those below approximately 5-foot-4 live two years longer than their taller brothers-in-arms.

    Sardinians are the shortest Europeans, and they have the same number of centenarians as Okinawa. And more of them are men! Though, I believe pygmies age fast.

  46. Wasbappin’s Substack should be required reading for the Russian, Chinese, and Iranian high command. BTW I have also started my own Substack, I expect my first post there by the end of the month:

    https://eharding.substack.com/p/coming-soon

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  47. @Triteleia Laxa

    Chinese products simply can’t be as interesting to most other places – they can’t even show cults for India, zombies for the Phillipines, vampires with blood for Europe.

    Genshin/Honkai Impact and Girl’s Frontline, both Chinese games, have gigantic fanbases – iirc, Girl’s Frontline recently beat out Touhou as the largest and most active fanbase. A lot of the fanbase is obviously American, as you can see yourself:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/

    The censorship is not always that strict, let’s put it that way.

  48. @Daniel Chieh

    This is about natural limitations. For example, a start up entrepreneur being limited by how much money he can get from investors and on what terms. This is not about the current BS of political factions attempting to impose artificial limitations in the form of taxation, socialist economic policies, “woke” sjw bullshit, and the like. The first set are a part of reality. The second set has no validity whatsoever.

    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  49. I’m. Yet the number of asians in the US is estimated to increase as Asian immigration is overtaking Latino immigration and starts to dominate US population inflows.

    With some exceptions, I have no problem with Asian immigration.

    Immigration restrictionism is breaking up into two distinct groups. Those who look at immigration in terms of human capital for productive accomplishment and those who look at it in terms of culture and ethnicity as a value independent of human capital for productive accomplishment. Those in the first camp tend to look down on those in the second camp.

  50. In the 90’s I decided the ideal human society is 80% East Asian pragmatism and 20% Western Heinleinian libertarianism, assuming currently existing humans. I have not experienced for a nanosecond anything that could ever change my mind on this.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @sher singh
  51. inertial says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hanania reminds me of old penniless aristocrat sneering at entrepreneurs. Selling stuff that people might need is an uncouth way to make money! It’s practically stealing! The only genteel way to earn a living is inherit from a rich uncle work in academia or a think tank. Selling phones is grift but asking for grants is NOT grift!

    So the software may not be the best at the moment. Companies that have been around for a few months and have maybe a dozen employees make a product that’s not as developed as the one made by companies with tens of thousands of employees and market cap of hundreds of billions. Who knew?

    This reminds me of how they used to laugh at Fox News when it just opened. And true, in its early years the channel was an absolute amateur hour; CNN was ahead by leaps and bounds. But eventually they stopped sneering and started seething, which is what they do to this day.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  52. Not Raul says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree!

    (I already used up my reaction comments)

    It’s interesting how grifters get so much more respect than honest people.

    I for one am grateful for the content you provide.

    If I’m ever in Moscow, I’ll stand you a pint.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
  53. @Svevlad

    Sorry, no vampires with blood in China, which is an example of the Chinese ruining their own creativity for the European market.

    Chinese censorship of video games is very extreme. It is also extreme in other areas, but this is where the producers have to expend most effort to avoid it.

    Weirdly, they allow foreign Steam to work, but who knows for how long. For games to pass censorship, you can have no blood, of any colour, no people coming out of the ground, no cults, no politics and a whole bunch of other restrictions, none of which they make clear. Put your game in front the censors 3 times, and fail, and that’s it.

    It is a huge and odd country, which almost no one foreign begins to understand. It is also incubating some serious weirdness; which makes sense for 1.4 billion people, which is a lot more than the US, the Anglosphere and Europe, combined.

    • Replies: @Wency
  54. Not Raul says:
    @inertial

    So the software may not be the best at the moment. Companies that have been around for a few months and have maybe a dozen employees make a product that’s not as developed as the one made by companies with tens of thousands of employees and market cap of hundreds of billions. Who knew?

    The Freedom Phone guy didn’t develop a product. It’s a Chinese phone. It already existed.

    The piss poor security of the Twitter clones isn’t something that can be laughed off. Their promoters abused the trust of the MAGA cultists. They thought that the grifters had their back. Now their data is in the hands of people who want to ruin them.

    And another thing: Do you go out of your way to sound so patronizing, or does it come naturally?

    • Replies: @inertial
  55. There very little value in the genomics data even if they were collected for the whole humanity. Almost anything that is single-gene and matters was discovered, and none of the current DNA analyses can do gene-gene interactions. There is no statistical power to analyze the interaction between 6 million times 6 million pairs of SNPs, and, for some reason, there is no procedure to whittle down the set of pairs to a meaningful subset.

    Also, “big data” is just a pile of data: if it is representative, samples can be small; if it’s not representative, the conclusions will be misleading.

    It takes a old billionaire with little self-respect to sell 23andme or similar companies. It takes a setup like the one when Murdoch was bullied into buying Myspace, just because “it’s new and better”.

  56. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    Creativity, surprisingly, is not improved by absolute freedom.

    It’s not surprising at all really. Not to me anyway. I’ve always believed that complete freedom is disastrous for creativity.

    The idea that freedom is good for creativity is a hippie-dippie idea.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  57. thanks for posting the newly listed equities. You have strong enough predictive ability that I’ll just throw some cash at these for a few years and then hold them. (I want to encourage guys here to not sell assets unless selling gets them F.U. money, hold, never sell). Really like the idea of buying Yandex, which you brought up, will be plowing cash into that just as soon as I’m done with my current crypto buying goal.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  58. Mikhail says: • Website

    No surprise:

    He relies on Yuri Shvets and Olga Lautman.

  59. kzn says:

    Looking at the western media, there is almost zero about Putin’s article on Ukraine – just proves what a sinister and corrupt operation their Russian section is.

    Ukrop media have a policy of not directly discussing the content of it ( except the “peremoga” because he as “forced” to do it in Ukrainian and this “v” or “na” Ukrop BS) – probably out of fear normal Ukrainians may “fall in love with it” LOL.

    There also doesn’t appear to have been a single attempt in Western media to establish facts over the Ryanair flight that had to land in Belarus after a fake bomb threat. Its essential to know if he was forced into landing the plane by order….. or if he and Belarus were following standards procedure , what (if any) conversations he had with Lithuanian ATC ( like if they refused the plane to enter their airspace because they were also treating the threat as credible – I think the first e-mail of the threat was sent to a Lithuanian airport), conversations with Belarus ATC and their Air Force….. and just general post flight comment from this pilot, who looks to have vanished. The entire incident looks as blatant a Western provocation as ever

  60. DNS says:

    This is pretty funny.

  61. @Svevlad

    Not to say that one or another option is more correct, but the point here seems to be it was legal exam, so probably CCP Chinese laws have explicit or implicit priorities in such situations towards formal family members instead of non formalized relationships.

    Whether is it right or wrong should be an object of philosophy/ethics exam perhaps. Wonder what the correct lawful answer in current China would be if the choice should have been done between parents and official wife, not just girlfriend.

  62. @Shortsword

    But is it dropping in Africa fast enough? If not, then this is just a temporary lull before the world is swept by a negro tsunami.

  63. @Daniel Chieh

    Go watch Kemono Friends. It isn’t about a bunch of Animal Girls, but a tale of post-catastrophic natural lives, human self-discovery and garden-variety Platonism (in the lore)

  64. @Svevlad

    Your mindset is basically no different from the WEF, and maybe even more extreme than theirs (at least they are supposed to deal with social problems in a self-serving way while you are all about ruining people in the medium-term)

    There is no social model that is preferrable or conductive to human flourishing, but what will exist as human adaptation to changing circumstances. Don’t mandate a model, observe and act, and maybe predict. This is why fundamentally, both the Great Reset and Great Awakening are wrong.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  65. @Felix Keverich

    It would be not first time though as white Neanderthals or probably not so black homo erectuses outside Africa also were swept away by negro homo sapiens waves coming out from Africa, but in some quick 40k years from now they all current total blacks should whiten up somewhat again 😉

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  66. @china-russia-all-the-way

    My biggest disagreement is with projecting the population size or economic size of basically everywhere based on deliberately ignoring what the WEF can do. The population of the West (US + Anglosphere + EU) can drop by maybe 1/5, and GDP per capita 1/4-2/3 (judging from the last time this happened, the collapse of actually-existing socialism in the 90s). I’m not saying Russia or China will be immune to this, but they’ll be a bit less affected.

    If you take a stabilizing Chinese economy and a fracturing and failing American economy, we could actually have GDP per capita parity (of the American collapse kind). If China still had 1.2B people (100M lower than the low-end UN projections) then and the US 220M (losing 1/3), that would easily be ~5.5x. It’s only a back-of-the-envelope estimation and we don’t know what the world will be even next year.

    (That 220M figure is assuming a sociocide on the scale of Khmer Rouge and 20 more years of stable population loss post-Soviet style. It’s not as radical as Deagel’s 100M in 2030)

  67. @AaronB

    There was some WN writer (I think it was Andrew Hamilton, but I can’t find it) who quoted some Jewish philosopher or rabbi or whatever from a century or two ago who apparently believed something close to what you’ve said here, that even a smidgeon of “Jewish blood” has outsized effects which incline the person to favor Jews. (I may be misremembering that last bit, but not the part about outsized effects.) The WN writer’s point was that Jews would know best about such things, so whites should take the argument seriously.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  68. @songbird

    Here’s another sci-fi idea: could you take Abos and through genetic modification turn them into superior soldiers and fighter pilots?

    The plot is that it turns out it is possible, and a number of scientists get to work on it in utmost secrecy, but someone lets the cat out of the bag and the public finds the idea so abhorrent – Abo supersoldiers? – that it finally precipitates the long-awaited normie revolt.

  69. @Svevlad

    I think the “correct” answer should be the person you love more. Some people justifiably hate their mothers, so it would be perfectly understandable if they let them perish. Or others may love their mothers, but have a very serious girlfriend they intend to marry, and it would be understandable if they picked her over the mother. Personally, there’s no girl I’m even close to that serious about, so there’s no chance I’d pick some silly slut over my own mother, even in the case that my mother was sick and only had a short time to live.

  70. @sudden death

    It would take millennia of subsistence living in harsh climates to trigger forces of natural selection that would eradicate the negro features. Either way, the negro destroys civilisation.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    , @Svevlad
  71. @Felix Keverich

    It would take millennia of subsistence living in harsh climates to trigger forces of natural selection that would eradicate the negro features.

    They’ve done exactly that and produced adaptations that is not conductive to complex social organizations!

    Either way, the negro destroys civilisation.

    Which “Negro”? Bantu? West African? Hamitics? Descendents of slaves? Mulattos? White trash can destroy civilization too. Right now anti-complexity tendency predominate in Blacks, but it isn’t a given.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  72. @Abelard Lindsey

    AK: Such comments aren’t productive. Don’t do this again.

    [MORE]

    In the 90’s I decided the ideal human society is 80% East Asian pragmatism and 20% Western Heinleinian libertarianism, assuming currently existing humans. I have not experienced for a nanosecond anything that could ever change my mind on this.

    I think a hollow-point administered through the roof of your mouth would change your mind.

    • LOL: sher singh
  73. @Abelard Lindsey

    96% Khalsa, 4% rest.

    Effort post on Internal Demographics/immigration, Global Liberalism & Bantu-dom below

    [MORE]

    South Africa 20% white in 1904, 10%ish today, finally war.
    Liberal elites secure, they’re centuries from that & big gulf in Jiziya and genocide
    Without outside backing minorities intermarry & become defanged
    With Liberalism there’s a standard template & 1-2 allowable exceptions per state:
    Proles (via elites) consolidate around standard and signal against 1-2 issues.

    USA: brown people (muslims)
    Russia: gays
    China: blacks
    India: atheism
    EU: hijabs

    Liberalism wanes but more buy in (KSA) and more exceptions per state can be allowed.
    Liberalism rules through this global standard + local exception model.
    Liberalism built on indus bureaucracy & mass media we need high tfr, culture & prod
    None of that in any single or group of states so Liberalism will be default for C+
    https://web.archive.org/web/20180202082106/https://reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/the-common-root-of-all-modern-political-discourse/

    Liberalism is defined as honor killing being ‘illegal’. Bantus TFR 4 vs 2 Ms, 1.5 Eurasia
    Generation away from manpower to invade world but build up takes awhile.
    For example Europe is Century+ from 25% Islam
    I don’t know if genocides are on the table, but you can just sit on the floor. :shrug:

    All along the platform, she later wrote, blue-turbaned Sikhs sat cross-legged, their curved kirpans across their knees, patiently waiting for the next arriving Special.

    Sikhs and other seem to advance to liberal lines but no logistics to cross
    For example, they snatch Muslim girls & surround Delhi but can’t burn Mecca/Modi, yet.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottishSikh/status/1380469448855916545

    Guru Nanak Dev walked into Mecca as a non-Muslim and openly asserted Dharma.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  74. @Felix Keverich

    But is it dropping in Africa fast enough? If not, then this is just a temporary lull before the world is swept by a negro tsunami.

    You can’t simply rely on fertility rate decreases to keep them out. “Avoid the groid” must evolve from a sage local watchword to a global moral imperative – the stuff of formal compacts – else, in the fullness of time, we’ll all eventually succumb to negrofuxation. If that happens, any alien civilization that seeks us out for having decoded the gold disc on Voyager would surely shudder at what became of the late, great planet Earth.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    , @songbird
  75. @Yellowface Anon

    They’ve done exactly that and produced adaptations that is not conductive to complex social organizations!

    Harsh climates might be different – hot/cold, wet/dry etc. Subsistence living in harsh ice age northern latitudes seem to favour skin melanin reduction for better survival while it is inverse situation ir harsh hot southern areas.

  76. @Boswald Bollocksworth

    They’re not really buy recommendations – just things that I consider to be of note and worth looking into, but not necessarily something to buy. I’m not planning to acquire any of them right now FWIW, stocks in general seem overheated.

    Transferwise (Wise) is 3x lower than Revolut on both p/e and mc, though Revolut has twice as many clients. OTOH, Revolut is aiming to be a full-fledged financial services provider, providing insurance, loans, stocks, even cryptos, etc., while Wise seems more exclusively focused on its original core competence of international transfers and remittances. Fintech in general is exploding (Revolut was $5B last year, now it’s $33B; Tinkoff quadrupled), but how long will this last? I’m wary of investing much into such an overheated space and in fact recently sold off the last of my Tinkoff stocks.

    EMH: $1B for 12 clinics, even quite high quality one, seems a bit on the high side. OTOH, some private hospital chains in China are worth $30-50B. But I don’t know enough about this sector to be comfortable about investing.

    23andme might be the most speculative. Could 100x eventually, if Genetics Revolution pans out and it becomes something like the premier social graph for genomics. Or it could crab indefinitely. Customer growth has been terrible in the last couple of years, I suppose that most of the people who wanted to be tested, have banally already done so. Overall I’m agnostic on its prospects.

    But yes, Yandex is mostly a long-term hold for me as well.

  77. @silviosilver

    “Scientific racism” is an accurate label of what your types are advocating, and that’s a compliment.

    I suppose your type missed the chance to let Nazi win and wipe Africa from the Earth, Man in the High Castle style.

    • LOL: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @Jatt Aryaa
    , @silviosilver
  78. @Boswald Bollocksworth

    Dude, I hope for your sake you’re just some kind of shill. If you’re sincere, lol, good luck, you’ll be needing plenty.

    (I’ll say this though, the ability to sit tight when you’re on a winner is indeed golden; but if you’re on a loser, uh-uh. So not only do you need some reliable way to distinguish between the two – ie how much room or time do you give the latter to turn into the former – but also some reliable way of ensuring you’ll have enough of the former to make up for the absolute, total inevitability of the latter. AK’s “advice,” apparently based on no more than the most simplistic application of technical analysis “principles”- unless that Roko dude actually has some other sound reason for his assertion, which I kinda doubt – is not going to help you in either of those two tasks, not even close.)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  79. @Yellowface Anon

    Racism is between humans not species.

    • Troll: Yellowface Anon
  80. @Yellowface Anon

    I suppose your type missed the chance to let Nazi win and wipe Africa from the Earth, Man in the High Castle style.

    Firstly, what “your type”? If you’re Asian, you’re in the same boat as me, according to the reasoning I employed.

    Secondly, why must you assume the worst? Keeping a group out of your living space doesn’t require “exterminating” them, sheesh.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  81. Svevlad says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Not in Africa.

    See, the problem everyone and their dog among the HBD rightoids ignore is the fact that for practically anyone, even stepping on African soil prior to the late 19th century was basically an instant death from a thousand diseases. The natives weren’t really much better off either.

    Evolution of high intelligence and civilization-supporting “hardware” requires resource competition. Africa has a lot of resources, even if classic field agriculture isn’t suited to savannas (see: Cerrado being cultivated only after the 70s). But I digress – Africa has a lot of resources, which means to get competition for those, you need a high population…

    Enter the 20 bazillion diseases they have. The entire continent becomes a shredder and puts a stop to any evolution that isn’t disease resistance related.

    There, mystery solved. No “they didn’t have to work to survive” cope, no seethe, no retardation.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  82. Svevlad says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    I didn’t say I support it – it’s just a moral question – in practice it would be… impractical.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  83. @silviosilver

    This is why I didn’t say flat out your approach is wrong. It is not-as-moral, but practical from the perspective from a racial purist point of view, that is often unpragmatic (e.g. China courting African states for their resources)

  84. @Svevlad

    Instead of an “agree” I mean “thanks”. But what’s the social mode you actually prefer, I’ve been taking the social Darwinist models you’ve described as your own stance.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  85. Svevlad says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    My views themselves are sort of Darwinistic, but in a very idiosyncratic way. Really, nothing but “everyone gets what they deserve” even if that’s not what they want, or need, or think. You will fulfill your potential whether you want it or not. I’ve devised a very complicated governance system that I could describe as “corporatist technocratic Iran.” Note that the corporatist part means running a state like a body or organism, not governance by corporations.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  86. Passer by says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Both the fertility of the educated and the uneducated is falling in the US, only the fertility of the educated is dropping at lower pace compared to the uneducated. Its all time low for both groups.

  87. @Daniel Chieh

    China has more video gamers than there are people in Europe. They’re always going to contribute something to global cultural and informational streams. It is just that it will remain greatly diminished.

    While they get it wrong a lot of the time, America is really trying to be an inclusive globalised culture. China is trying to be the opposite. Perhaps that is better for the Chinese, but I know in which direction global power and information will tend to flow.

    I see US progressives, for the last few decades, not as making the future, but as seeing where it is going and placing themselves where best to take advantage. They occasionally slip up, like they did with assuming that men’s and women’s athletics records would fully converge, but they swiftly reposition and later reap the rewards.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  88. Passer by says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    So if Chinese GDP per capita nominal is 50% of US GDP per capita nominal, China will have an economy 175% larger.

    Did you even calculate what kind of growth rate China will need to reach 175% of US GDP MER by 2050? It will need average growth rate of 4,75 for the 2020 – 2050 period, something that no one, not even China, estimates as possible. In fact Xi Jinping’s target for 2020 – 2035 is 4,7 %, and after 2035 chinese growth will pretty be low.

    The majority of economic and financial institutions i have seen give it around 1,5 times bigger GDP in MER by 2050. Bloomberg recently estimated China having just1,35 times bigger GDP in MER by 2050 in their base case.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-u-s-to-become-no-1-why-it-may-never-happen

    Currently China is 70,4 % of US in GDP MER. Everybody, including the Chinese, does not see GDP growth in China being higher than 5 – 5,2 % for 2020-2030 period on average. The US average growth for that period is to be around 2.

    For 2030 – 2040 China is given (by almost everyone) 3 – 3.6 GDP average growth rate, the US 1,6.

    For 2040 – 2050 China is given 2-2,6 average growth rate, the US 1,5.

    At these growth rates, China does not even reach 1,5 times bigger GDP in MER by 2050. You can calculate it yourself.

    In 2050, the US population will be a bit over 50% (white + Asian). It is currently 65% (white + Asian).

    If you add white hispanics, whites alone in the US are currently nearly 70 %. Not all hispanics are mestizos, as you assume.

    And if you have seen PISA data on second gen migrants in the US overall they are not that bad, Europe is worse (it gets lower quality migrants), about 4 IQ points lower than the US average. Certainly not the widespread horror stories about US migrants being dumb as fuck.

    What’s the scenario for the US catching up towards the end of the century?

    I have seen several, although it is disputed and not everyone among long term analysts agrees.

    Generally speaking, it is assumed that a massive demographic fuck up in China may cause the US to overtake it again later in the century.

    In this study, they use recent low birth rates and they estimate the US reaching “only” 365 million people by 2100, with China collapsing from 1.4 billion today to 710 million by 2100, leading to the US overtaking China in GDP again by 2098.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30677-2/fulltext

  89. @Abelard Lindsey

    I’m not saying that the current throttle is good, but the article clearly indicates cultural(or even voluntary) restrictions inspiring more creativity.

  90. @Daniel Chieh

    It tends to inspire creative ways around the restrictions. Just like smashing someone’s windows “inspires” them to get them fixed.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  91. @Triteleia Laxa

    China has more video gamers than there are people in Europe. They’re always going to contribute something to global cultural and informational streams. It is just that it will remain greatly diminished.

    This seems irrelevant to the obvious majority American/European membership of the Reddit board. Notably the associated game also has an active following in the US(note the comment language) with new releases gathering 2+ million views in a little more than a week.

    Amusingly, it has blood, zombies dolls, and what is basically a cult. All things you said were banned in China.

    While they get it wrong a lot of the time, America is really trying to be an inclusive globalised culture. China is trying to be the opposite.

    America is “inclusive” in the sense that it has exported its standards to the entire world; its inclusiveness is questionable.

    Perhaps that is better for the Chinese, but I know in which direction global power and information will tend to flow.

    You may be wrong. Japan is easily one of the least inclusive civilizations, but its the second largest producer of culture worldwide in influence(I remember actual metrics for this, but I can’t find it now). There are dozens and dozens of more “inclusive” civilizations, like all over Latin America, with no real cultural exports, certainly not on that level of profitability.

  92. @Triteleia Laxa

    You also did not read the article.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  93. @Daniel Chieh

    The article is about taking yourself out of yourself in order to get closer to the wellspring of creativity. You’re approaching it in too linear a manner to see what it is really about.

  94. Bert says:

    Regarding ivermectin, you can believe WHO, the corrupt creature controlled by Big Pharma and run by Third-World functionaries. Or believe a professional who does meta-analyses for a living. The interview of Dr. Tess Lawrie by Dr. John Campbell lays out the choice.

  95. Jazman says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I am following closely what is going on with vaccination and everything you said about Pfizer is true and you said it long time ago , every day there is more and more problems . I avoided at work to receive Pfizer thanks God nobody forcing me yet , but also now people on the street stopping people and asking are you vaccinated . My brother is neurologist but pushing for Pfizer he is paid by them to promote vaccination , when I present him credible sources he accused me of propaganda .

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  96. @Daniel Chieh

    One thing I forgot to say is how all successful Chinese games (Azur Lane, Girls’ Frontline, Arknights, Genshin Impact…) outside China, are all in anime artstyle, not the gritty semi-realistic one that has been in tragedy of the commons mode domestically. This means those games have a good chance of passing off as Japanese (and indeed they hire Japanese to run JP servers). Azur Lane even copied the whole premise of Kantai Collection, which was a Japanese runaway success in 2013 (up to 2015)

  97. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Passer by

    Growth rates up to 2050

    It’s hard to follow your numbers. Can you provide your estimates in the format below to make them easier to calculate?

    US annual average rate of real GDP growth (2021-50):

    China annual average rate of real GDP growth (2021-50):

    What is the exchange rate between the yuan and USD in 2050? Moderately higher or lower than it is now (6.5 to 1), or a lot higher or lower?

    For inflation, we can simply assume 3% in both countries (inflation doubles every 25 years) as this variable is probably the most difficult to predict.

    US racial demographics

    Do you count all people who identify as white Hispanic on Census 2020 as functionally equivalent to non-Hispanic whites in contributing to a first-world economy? “According to the 2019 American Community Survey, 65.5% of Latinos identified as white.” Considering the high number of Latinos in the US who identify as white and the big gap in incomes and education for Latinos in the US relative to non-Hispanic whites, I would guess really just a small fraction of Latinos are white enough to be functionally equivalent.

    By citing PISA and the number of white Hispanics, what is your ballpark conclusion about the hypothetical effect of 2050 racial demographics on GDP per capita in 2021? Do you think it would have a minor effect on GDP per capita? Like reduction under 5%? If so that would not be my estimate.

    US overtaking China again

    If the extreme scenario comes true of China’s population falling to 700 million in 2100 then I think the US will overtake China in GDP in 2100. But I don’t think such a dire population scenario will happen.

    • Replies: @Passer by
  98. kzn says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Well the first thing will be Africans over breeding in rural areas swamping the big cities….in their own African countries.

    The waves of African migrants to white countries are mainly the relatively urbanised Africans often disadvantaged by the waves of internal rural Africans from much bigger families coming to live in their African cities.

    Although relatively poorer and less educated compared to us, these urban ‘cosmopolitan ” Africans are still much more educated and richer, and most importantly – lower TFR, than these rural migrants.

    Once they come to Europe I would say its less about their urge to breed,but more about their incentive to breed because of extremely generous EU state handouts given to migrants or refugees with young families – more so if their kids are actually born in an EU state.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  99. @Passer by

    I’ve revised my Deagel-style forecasts to something like this, in 2050:
    Population GDP pc Total
    US 223M 26k 5798B
    China 1246M 29k 36134B
    It is still built on the same fundamental assumptions as Deagel’s (Great Reset depopulation and a Russian-style economic meltdown). China only needs to grow ~1.4% annually instead of the conventional 3.3-3.8%, due to a stronger demographic collapse and a break-down in international trade. Here it is 6.23x, and China here is also able to surpass the economic blackhole once known as “America” on a per-capita level. If China is fucked up, America will be way worse.

    I have produced some “moderate-Deagel” scenarios for the 14 top economies (in GDP PPP). No one will be more populous in 2050 than now, and most of the developed countries are heading for a sharp drop in GDP per capita (Germany might be at 21k vs 56k). My bias says only China and Russia, because of not shooting their feet as proactively, can raise their GDP per capita substantially over a falling population; Brazil and Indonesia will improve slightly too, but far below what conventional economists suggests.

    • Replies: @Passer by
    , @Svevlad
  100. @silviosilver

    even a smidgeon of “Jewish blood” has outsized effects

    I think I posted this joke before, but you reminded me of it.
    A sheikh in a Mid-Eastern sheikdom needed blood transfusion. His blood type was so rare, that the only person with compatible blood was a Jew. The Jew agreed to donate blood, and grateful sheikh gave him an expansive car and a huge house. When the sheikh needed another blood transfusion, the Jew readily agreed. Grateful sheikh gave him a box of chocolates. The Jew asked: last time you gave me a car and a house, but now only a box of chocolates. Why? The sheikh answered: last time I did not have any Jewish blood in me.

  101. @kzn

    It makes good sense for a Chinese-allied dictator in Sub-Sahara Africa to actually learn the Dengist example and impose one-child policy. This time, since everyone is black and allowing minorities to breed will mess up the social balance, there should be zero exceptions.

    Sad thing Blacks are too self-centered when they are in high places…

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  102. Passer by says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Personally i don’t believe in great reset theories about wiping out 1/3 of the US population. Which can only happen via nuclear war, an ultra deadly disease, or banning child birth and immigration.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  103. inertial says:
    @Not Raul

    Funny how you think that I am the one who sounds patronizing and not the people who like to sneer at peasants.

    As for the phone, it’s actually not a bad idea. The product here, of course, is not the phone itself but the bundle of apps. It could be a great help for non-technical normies who want to escape the grip of the tech monopolies but wouldn’t know how to do it by themselves. Will this implementation have multiple problems? Sure. But eventually someone will get it right.

    • Replies: @Not Raul
  104. @Jazman

    The results of mRNA “vaccinations” are beginning to show: there is an outbreak of covid on British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth with fully “vaccinated” crew. “Vaccinated” UK health minister just contracted covid. Stay tuned.

    Basically, my point is, if Pfizer and Moderna “vaccines” have the composition the companies claim, they can’t be effective. If they are effective, they can’t have “disclosed” composition. So, either composition or effectiveness is a lie. In my experience, people lie when the truth is incompatible with their interests.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  105. Svevlad says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Speaking of Deagel’s forecast, it’s no longer available on their site, at least I can’t find it. Why would that be?

  106. @Passer by

    You seem to assume exchange rates to stay constant or believe growth is computed at exchange rates.

  107. mal says:

    Food production in space experiments are going on nicely. NASA astronauts are going to grow peppers, tasty.

    https://news.yahoo.com/nasa-astronauts-aboard-iss-begun-100000458.html

    Also, it looks like Russian Nauka module will launch before James Webb Telescope lol, fingers crossed.

    Both were planned to launch in 2007 originally. So just a tad behind schedule.

  108. Beckow says:
    @kzn

    …lazy football scouts prioritise these African kids because they are bigger and quicker at younger ages

    Most scouts are lazy: any open-ended work will promote stereotyping and laziness. A world with an infinite competition leads to decrease in meritocracy – replaced with biases, connections and lottery. We can consider merit when there are 5-10 options, when we have 100-1000 possibilities there is no room for it.

    Italy has kept enough of its tribal mentality and is one of the bright spots in EU. It is hard to comprehend what happened in the Germanic-Celtic northwest of EU – within a generation or two a massive dead-enders tsunami has devastated the societies there.

    • Replies: @kzn
  109. mal says:

    And in the financial Wonderland, junk bond yields are now below inflation.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/the-junk-bond-market-is-on-fire-this-year-as-yields-hit-a-record-low.html

    Do you have an alcoholic uncle? Quick! Grab his bar bill and run over to Goldman Sachs where they will gladly securitize it for you and sell the resulting bond to a pension fund. You will get a nice commission in the process.

    And I’m not even kidding – this is inevitable. Everything that can be securitized, will be securitized. Money is irrelevant, debt is everything. The more debt you own, the more debt you want.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  110. @Yellowface Anon

    Yeah, China seems to have managed to adopted an unique storytelling style so far(the weird mixture of gnosticism, buddhism and quantum universes is pretty amusing), but not really an unique artstyle. But I think there’s cause for hope.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  111. @AnonfromTN

    The results of mRNA “vaccinations” are beginning to show: there is an outbreak of covid on British aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth with fully “vaccinated” crew. “Vaccinated” UK health minister just contracted covid. Stay tuned.

    ???…

    Quite cringey response above, as those UK’ies had Astra Zeneca shots, which were not mRNA.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  112. Passer by says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Growth rates up to 2050

    Various companies and institutions all over the place use real growth rates after removing inflation.

    Get some future value calculator and you will see that you need 4,75 % average growth rates for the period of 2020 – 2050 for China to reach 1,75 times bigger MER GDP by 2050, which is something that everyone, including the chinese government, admits that it is impossible.

    Variables: China 70 % of US GDP 2020
    US 100 % 2020

    US Growth rate as per most financial institutions for the 2020 – 2050 period is 1,7 (1,9 – 1,6 – 1,5 as per CBO)
    China’s growth rate for that period is 3,4 (5,1-2,9-2,2) (as per World Bank)

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tools/timevalueofmoney

    Exchange rate – most estimate no more than 20 % currency appreciation of the CNY by that point. Some estimate no CNY appreciation at all. You are far from 1,75 times bigger China GDP at that point. The only way to get there is via massive 50 % CNY appreciation and i doubt that this will happen.

    US racial demographics

    If there was no positive white hispanic effect i doubt that the IQ of US migrants (second gen) will be just 4 points below that of the US population, as per PISA.

    Do you think it would have a minor effect on GDP per capita?

    Why not? The US is already a very diverse country and yet has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, it is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues. If there was a significant IQ drop due to immigration, i doubt that this would be the case. It would be seen in GDP growth rates. It would be looking more like South Africa. The US gets some very innovative, high quality migrants, see Karlin’s article on it. Yes, it gets lots of third worlders too, but these effects neutralise each other so the overall IQ drop due to immigration is not that large, as PISA shows.

    How much will per capita GDP drop? It will drop for certain, but looking at what i said above

    The US is already a very diverse country and yet has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world, it is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues

    it does not look that it will be a big drop. At least right now we are not seeing anything like this.

    Assuming average migrant IQ of 94 it will take a long time IMO before US IQ drops in any meaningful sense. It will be probably 96 by 2100, compared to 98 today. Maybe 10 % lower GDP per capita due to that.

    US overtaking China again

    Witn Chinese TFR dropping below the quite low of 1,3 of today, – with ongoing urbanisation in China, which will further reduce TFR, it is a possible scenario. But for that to happen, China will also have to reject immigration (which is possible) while the US will also have to prefer Asian immigration (things are going in that direction).

  113. @Daniel Chieh

    What I read. It seems credible and measured as a source.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/jul/15/china-video-game-censorship-tencent-netease-blizzard

    This seems irrelevant to the obvious majority American/European membership of the Reddit board. Notably the associated game also has an active following in the US(note the comment language) with new releases gathering 2+ million views in a little more than a week.

    Why do people think that giving exceptions means proving the rule?

    It normally does the opposite.

    America is “inclusive” in the sense that it has exported its standards to the entire world; its inclusiveness is questionable.

    The difference between our two perspectives on where creativity comes from is too great for us to agree; but I wonder if you can at least see my position?

    You may be wrong. Japan is easily one of the least inclusive civilizations

    Hard disagree on that one. People do have different meanings of what “inclusivity” is, but, for me, what the Western progressives are awkwardly stumbling towards is a situation where people understand more about themselves, and more about others, than they ever did before.

    Latin American cultural products tend to be atrocious at this, but Japanese ones tend to be excellent and speak to people on many levels. You can also see this in the way that Japan tolerates extreme weirdness, but Latin American countries, not so much.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  114. @Mr. Hack

    Not bad.

    Are you a Chicago fan? I was looking up some old songs on YT and came across this Russian cover band. Damn, pretty good, Chicago themselves gave them an ‘official’ stamp of approval.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Mr. Hack
  115. @Passer by

    If there was a significant IQ drop due to immigration, i doubt that this would be the case. It would be seen in GDP growth rates. It would be looking more like South Africa.

    The US GDP growth rate has slowed somewhat over the past fifteen years, but the decline has been so slight only a fool would attempt to associate with it a decline in IQ (since there are so many other variables). “More like South Africa” is too vague a statement to bother disputing, but personally, I doubt even a 10 point decline in IQ would make anyone ever think “wow, this country reminds me of South Africa!” Parts of it obviously would (just as they do today), but they would be too few to give the whole country a real South African “feel.”

    • Replies: @Passer by
  116. Not Raul says:
    @inertial

    Will this implementation have multiple problems? Sure.

    Freedom Phone definitely has problems.

    https://gab.com/InfiniteJest/posts/106596917574601626

  117. Mr. Hack says:
    @silviosilver

    Genesis was one of the greatest Prog-Rock groups ever. The good news is that all you really need is to have access to albums #3 – #6 (Nursery Crime – The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway) to listen to their finest material. Basically the Peter Gabriel era. Although the following Phil Collins era provided some nice catchy hits, the overall output was rather lame and sluggish IMHO.

    I used to like the Group “Chicago” and a similar one called “Blood, Sweat and Tears” (I actually saw this act in concert), however haven’t listened to either group in years. I’ll give your suggestion a listen to, thanks!

  118. @Triteleia Laxa

    What I read. It seems credible and measured as a source.

    The Guardian is a terrible source. The Ministry of Culture has various measures, but there’s some degree of flexibility. If it was accurate, what I linked you wouldn’t be possible.

    Why do people think that giving exceptions means proving the rule?

    I actually don’t know if this applies to media at all, sometimes. I think its generally true, but media has this “superstar all or nothing” quality that seems make exceptions into rules.

    I know the idea, but think about it, a lot of breakouts really did come from singular things: Japan’s Akira(and later Evangelion) really anchored an entire anime industry to come, Korea’s SNSD(Girl’s Generation) and BTS has managed to build out its significant niche, and China’s Girl’s Frontline/Henshin/Genshin etc seem to building into stride with Punishing Grey Raven, and continuing on.

    I think part of why media is different is that once there is a success, imitators appear quickly and innovate from that(anime has some interesting history with that, with animators really starting a new style like Yoshinori Kanada, and then that style becoming dominant, before another “school of thought” modifies it). And if something is successful internationally, it tends to continue to be so.

    Its sorta amusing that Japan continues to manage it while basically ignoring international sales almost totally.

    Hard disagree on that one. People do have different meanings of what “inclusivity” is, but, for me, what the Western progressives are awkwardly stumbling towards is a situation where people understand more about themselves, and more about others, than they ever did before.

    I think the idea that Japan with its incredibly restrictive codes of behavior, even gendered speech(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_differences_in_Japanese), is more free than Latin America in terms of individuality. Its more complex than that, which I think I can explain a bit better as I used to work a lot with Japan(both professionally and hobby).

    Japan has more complex codes which allow for weirdness and a strong emphasis on the clique that can allow a person to be strange. That overall love and level of complexity might be more IQ related than anything.

    What Japan really does have is an entire societal structure built around what we would think of as cliques. In a professional level, you sometimes have people who have shared clubs in high school, then switch into professional cliques, which hook into governmental ones, etc. Abe was in one, for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi

    This is true on the hobbyist level too, with multiple circles. There’s a lot of surface politeness, but people are actually quite unpleasant to each other – and this is expected, partly because rivalry is valorized and uh, so is bullying.

    Bullying in Japanese schools, or ijime, is an entrenched problem. A study by the Tokyo Metropolitan School Personnel in Service Training Center in 2013 found that 66.2 percent of the more than 9,000 children it surveyed had been bullied.

    Anyway, part of having so many complex sub-groups in society is that they have leaders that peacock themselves, so you get people like Yoko Taro who get to be really joyfully weird. I don’t think that’s what usually think of inclusivity, though – the moment if their clique fails to be successfully, they’d be mercilessly crushed.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  119. Svevlad says:

    Anatoly I am once again pestering you about the Great Bifurcation text (and a progress report on the book would be nice)

    Pretend Bernie is writing this for maximum effect.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
  120. @Yellowface Anon

    Its funny – I was thinking that I first came to really realize that Chinese games had broken out was because a Canadian girl was happily sharing “omg this is so cute” images of Arksknight – like you mentioned, due to the Japanese style, I had not realized that Girl’s Frontline(which I still find weird) had become incredibly popular.

    I’ve been mildly amused by the fact that every single one of these games – Arksknight, Honkai, Frontline – all have multiple books worth of complexity in their storylines. There’s definitely some tradition of wuxia complexity that’s being inherited, probably unnecessarily, but its damn amusing and I actually think that seems to be a selling point. A lot of people do like lore and complexity.

    And this might be credited to miHoYo alone, but they actually seem to have pulled off the multi-chapter/seasonal game with beauty; I remember way back when the same was attempted in the US, first with small chapters and later with things like Half-Life…which still doesn’t have a conclusion…but miHoYo does seem to have managed it with their content updates to “tell a narrative.” Japanese versions like SinoALICE have not done so as well.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  121. @Daniel Chieh

    You are informing me of ways in which I may not see the unpleasant side, intolerant side of Japan, but Latin America so much worse than people think.

    Northern man, of all colours, really is an angel compared to the alternatives.

    Japan has more complex codes which allow for weirdness and a strong emphasis on the clique that can allow a person to be strange.

    Sounds like inclusive multiculturalism to me! It may be even better for this purpose than the US alternative.

    I am separating out progressive big aims from progressive practices. The practices may be often mad, bad and counter productive, as effective sociology and psychology is hard, but the aims are admirable. This gets forgotten far too often, both by progressives who forget the point, and their critics, who feel oppressed.

    Who doesn’t want to live in a society where everyone is quite free, secure tolerated and fulfilled?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  122. Mr. Hack says:

    A friend of mine sent me this poignant e-mail yesterday. I replied that the only image that I bow to is the one of our Savior. I’m sure that this message will resonate well with many who take part at this blogsite:

    First Hero of the WOKE and Cancel Culture:

    So a statue of Teddy Roosevelt in front of the Museum of American Natural History in New York City comes down and a bust of George Floyd goes up in Brooklyn borough of New York City. Yes, makes perfect sense. I wonder if the bust has a plaque listing all his good deeds and his contributions to society ……..
    — 3 armed robberies,
    — 2 violent home invasions,
    — 6 burglaries,
    — 3 car thefts,
    — Multiple illegal trespasses,
    — Cocaine and alcohol addiction,
    — Drug dealing (meth and fentanyl),
    — Beat 4 victims senseless,
    — 23 arrests,
    — holding a gun to a very pregnant belly of his robbery victim,
    — and lastly, passing a counterfeit $20 bill.

    George Floyd was a THUG, NOT a HERO!

    Where are the many statues of police to honor all the cops killed by criminals???

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
  123. @Triteleia Laxa

    Who doesn’t want to live in a society where everyone is quite free, secure tolerated and fulfilled?

    Well, what is described definitely isn’t that. You can be tolerated if you’re successful, that’s it. That’s nice, yes, but the default position is a kind of insecurity for everyone, with roles to stand in for personalities.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  124. Passer by says:
    @silviosilver

    Well, yeah, to be more like South Africa is too strong statement. Maybe more like Brazil, or more like Mexico, or Argentina.

    Well let’s try this method. Median earnings of whites in the US are 93,5 % of those of Asians, while the earnings of hispanics and blacks are 60 % of those of asians. Currently there are 60 % non-hispanic whites, 6,5 % asians, 13,5 % blacks and nearly 20 % hispanics.

    That gives you a value of 8270. If we assume that in 2100 white non-hispanics will be 33,9 %, blacks will be 13,4 %, asians 18 %, hispanics 34,7 %, as per one recent study estimates, that assumes converging birth rates and current immigration levels, we get a value of 7856.

    This is about 5 % lower, therefore it predicts 5 % lower GDP per capita due to demographic changes. Lets call it best case scenario.

    Let’s try another method: innovation rates. Whites are 100, asians are 80, black is 0,0, hispanic is 0,1.

    Currently we get a value of 6522.
    And in 2100 we get 4833 which is 74 % of the 2020 value. lets call it worse case scenario.

    Domestic innovation alone can not predict GDP growth very well due to the fact that there is globalised world and large flows of ideas and technology, thus even countries with low innovation rates reverse engineer some technology, steal some technology, or learn some open source technology and ideas developed by others, which is why you have relatively high GDP growth even in third world countries.

    So lets take the middle ground between innovation and earnings, between best case scenario and worse case scenario – which is 84,5 %. So the US gdp per capita should lose 15,5 % from its potential GDP by 2100, caused by demographic changes in the country. Not a small number, but not a big either.

  125. @Anatoly Karlin

    Thanks and noted that this is not a “call” but just an observation about new companies. I will still buy a little of the US-traded ones just to take some risk, and so I have it in the portfolio to remember to look into them later.

    Russian investments in particularly are really interesting, as Russian rule of law gradually heals from the pre-Putin age, and Russia builds out her own domestic service economy.

  126. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Passer by

    Growth rates up to 2050

    It’s hard to follow the numbers based on real GDP growth rates over 30 years. Based on the predictions you use for real GDP growth rate, currency appreciation of either 20% or 0%, and assuming double inflation in both countries every 25 years. Based on those inputs what are your numbers for nominal GDP totals of China and the US in 2050?

    For reference, annual GDP (real) per capita growth for the US has kept on declining.

    2000-2019: around 1%
    1980-1999: around 2.25%

    Source: World Bank DataBank

    US racial demographics

    PISA scores for immigrants are hard to unpack for the purpose of figuring out the economic contributions of Latinos. Instead, I would directly cite income and education figures for Latinos as better data, making it unnecessary to get bogged down by PISA sub-scores. The income and education statistics show big gaps compared to non-Hispanic whites. And the frequently cited average IQ for Latinos in the US is 90. When Latinos become 1/3 of the country, I believe the Latino-black demographic bloc will significantly hamper the economic competitiveness of the US and lower GDP per capita.

    There is an interesting point about the number of high IQ immigrants balancing out the larger number of lower IQ immigrants because the quality of the top 5% by IQ in a society is very influential in determining GDP per capita. California is an example of this. However, I do not think the California model is replicated across the US because California vacuums up so much global talent. Florida is a highly diverse state with a low GDP per capita. I think it is a better representation of where the entire US is headed in 2050.

    You insist that the economic repercussions for the US of racial demographics falling to 50% white and Asian in 2050 will be minor. I disagree. We have at least identified in our discussion a major premise disagreement.

    US overtaking China

    A demographic collapse as drastic as losing half of the population over the next 80 years simply sounds too drastic for me to believe. I think an intervention in China would occur before reaching that point.

  127. @Mr. Hack

    Big Floyd is a national hero.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AnonfromTN
  128. @Daniel Chieh

    Nowhere is like that, but Japan is much more like that than most places. In most places you can only taste freedom if you’re extremely rich or homeless.

    You think that having to avoid offending progressive sensibilities is bad? In most of the world you have to actively show love, in all of your aesthetics, for whatever random cr*p that is popular. It is like a bad cliche of American high school times a million.

    The rest of the world does have a stronger private sphere, which allows people some freedom, but the public sphere, which, with modern technology, is more and more of life, is oppressively conformist.

    Latin America has been one big “everyone wears masks outdoors” jamboree for the last year. There is absolutely no evidence that this helps, but it is almost universally conformed to.

    The West thinks of the Japanese as conformist, like some people think Shia and Sunni are Muslims, so what’s the difference, but less developed societies really are very extreme in this regards.

    An interesting Unz specific example is this weird valorising of China as some bastion of independent thought, yet all Unz commenters, if they were Chinese, and their concerns were Chinese too, would be social pariahs, probably in jail, and Ron would have been disappeared. I suppose they imagine that they would have had the whip hand, and destroy their “enemies”, but probability says not.

    The ability to zoom in and zoom out of a picture, at will, without getting stuck or mesmerised, seems to be extremely rare.

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    , @Svevlad
  129. @china-russia-all-the-way

    For reference, annual GDP (real) per capita growth for the US has kept on declining.

    This is not true at all. It has been increasing steadily, and this is measured in Dollars, which have been appreciating.

    https://www.multpl.com/us-real-gdp-per-capita/table/by-year

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  130. @Triteleia Laxa

    He wrote growth has been declining. But that’s true for most of the world anyway.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
  131. china-russia-all-the-way says:

    What is the average annual GDP (real) per capita growth for the US from 1980-1999? What is it for 2000-19?

    • Replies: @Passer by
  132. Mr. Hack says:
    @Shortsword

    I think that our elites chose the wrong guy to fill the shoes of a “national hero” for the country.

    Although I think that the cops that apprehended this long term felon went too far in their “policing tactics”, there was no good reason to choose him as some sort of demigod to be worshiped by the masses. His enthronement was ill thought out, and he will not serve the overall public interest as a legitimate rallying symbol.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  133. @Triteleia Laxa

    Nowhere is like that, but Japan is much more like that than most places. In most places you can only taste freedom if you’re extremely rich or homeless.

    Well, no, I think you’re underestimating the extremes here. Unless you’re extremely successful, then you have even less individuality than usual, since the basic idea is that people have roles to execute, roles that vary based on context, etc.

    However, I do think one contrast from what you said that is while there’s more conmformity in Japan(and yes, yes, there is, the economic miracle post war would be impossible without it), it is a an effort to build a pleasant conformity. Everything in society often seems to emphasize a role, so while for example, mothers are expected not to work, there’s an entire status thing with fashion and “women who do lunch” which emphasizes how pleasant it is. Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can, and then no one else tells them they can, then they’re pretty happy about it. And yes, then there are the exceptional cases I mentioned.

    It is in many ways, pretty well designed. You don’t impose crushing conformity, you kind of harmonize it into being. Its pretty crushing, but it feels organic. That’s actually one of the great successes.

    An interesting Unz specific example is this weird valorising of China as some bastion of independent thought, yet all Unz commenters, if they were Chinese, and their concerns were Chinese too, would be social pariahs, probably in jail, and Ron would have been disappeared.

    China is much less oppressive than imagined. Unz commentators would likely be fine, much like the zhihu.com commentators are fine. China engages much more in deletion and mass blocks…kinda like Twitter(lol), than anything else. Its people who try to create rival parties that face worse punishment, but its not like the US isn’t already there with the declaration of people as “extremists” and “extremist organizations.”

  134. Passer by says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Growth rates up to 2050

    All banks and financial institutions give you real GDP growth rates after accounting for inflation, this is what real gdp growth means.

    For reference, annual GDP (real) per capita growth for the US has kept on declining.

    Yeah, it is declining in all rich countries, regardless if there is large third world immigration or not, see Japan or Taiwan. This is the diminishing returns effect in economics. The richer you get, the lower the growth rate, in general.

    What are the numbers – see those from Bloomberg for example. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-05/when-will-china-s-economy-beat-the-u-s-to-become-no-1-why-it-may-never-happen

    Average growth per year.

    China Growth Scenario Base case
    2021-2030 5.0%
    2031-2040 3.7%
    2041-2050 2.6%

    US future growth numbers can be taken from CBO, they are 2,35 % for 2021-2030, 1,6 % for 2030-2040, 1,5 % for 2040-2050.

    These are not per capita estimates but total gdp growth estimates, using widely available demographic data mostly in line with the UN population projections.

    China is currently 70,4 % GDP of the US and US is 100.

    Using a future value calc, this gives you China being 1,24 times bigger in MER GDP by 2050. Assuming relatively optimistic 20 % CNY appreciation that gives you 1,49 times bigger Chinese GDP by 2050.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/tools/timevalueofmoney

    US racial demographics

    Instead, I would directly cite income and education figures for Latinos as better data

    I already made calculations using earnings and innovation rates in a comment above, check them out.

    You insist that the economic repercussions for the US of racial demographics falling to 50% white and Asian in 2050 will be minor.

    I only spoke about economics, not about political and other issues. China i believe will be more stable than the US.

    I don’t want to insist also, if you see my first wild guess was a 10 % US per capita GDP drop by 2100, later after some calcs i made i moved onto 15,5 % drop. I’m pretty open about ideas, actually i’m not a fan of the US. But i sometimes like to play devil’s advocate too.

    I’m pretty certain that the economic losses for the US should not be big by 2050 seeing that even now, when the US became a pretty diverse country, it has higher rates of invention compared to almost all other countries, higher or similar GDP growth rates to other rich countries, regardless of the immigration issue or lack of it in them, and one of the highest per capita GDP in the world, so if there was some significant IQ and innovation drop the country should be more like Argentina or something. It should be showing in those parameters above. It shouldn’t be so innovative currently, or be so rich, or have such gdp growth rates. And it is not showing, nothing significant, therefore the economic decline caused by the present demographics changes is relatively small.

    US overtaking China

    A demographic collapse as drastic as losing half of the population over the next 80 years simply sounds too drastic for me to believe. I think an intervention in China would occur before reaching that point.

    Well, i don’t know. The likes of Japan or Korea seems to be doing nothing, they probably prefer that overpopulation will decrease. China though faces great power competition, so it has to act. I’m just saying that the current demographic numbers out of China – 1,3 TFR with still large rural population, that will urbanise in the future, and thus TFR will drop further, a pretty bad.

  135. Passer by says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    I can certainly say that it is slowly dropping, just like it is dropping for any rich country out there. Population ageing and the law of diminishing returns do not allow high growth rates in rich countries.
    Here the gdp growth per worker in the US is actually higher than in Japan. In per capita growth its even worse for Japan since many in that ageing country are pensioners, so when you compare such countries it is better to look at per worker gdp growth.

  136. @songbird

    You got that “fact” that aborigines have 4X better vision from a fluff online news source. Here’s an Australian government source that speaks of the myriad of eye problems that abos have. https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/eye-health-in-aboriginal-and-torres-strait-islande/contents/summary

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  137. @Mr. Hack

    What disappoints me is that there are only two Big Floyd statues. I expected better.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  138. @Daniel Chieh

    China is much less oppressive than imagined. Unz commentators would likely be fine, much like the zhihu.com commentators are fine. China engages much more in deletion and mass blocks

    Zhihu.com looks even less critical of the Chinese government than the Washington Post is of the Democratic party. Actually much less.

    Where’s their article arguing that Covid-19 is a Chinese bioweapon purposefully released out of completely incompetent spite?

    Or that the CCP is composed of a caste of people who ritually sacrifice babies and drink their blood?

    Or that the current aim of the CCP is to make ‘yellow genocide”?

    The most government critical thing I saw was an “open” discussion on whether the CCP conducts propaganda overseas – as in pays to get good news. That is it. If it were the US, it could be a Presidential office press release.

    This is evidence of extremely oppressive censorship, that makes the US version look ephemeral.

    Well, no, I think you’re underestimating the extremes here. Unless you’re extremely successful, then you have even less individuality than usual, since the basic idea is that people have roles to execute, roles that vary based on context, etc.

    I still perceive Japan as so much closer to the US, than it is to Africa, India or even Latin America, and obviously the Middle East.

    Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can

    22% of doctors in Japan are women, and rising fast. This is what it was in the US back in the final year of the Clinton administration. Hardly “impossible” for women. Or even negative at all.

  139. Mr. Hack says:
    @Passer by

    I’m pretty certain that the economic losses for the US should not be big by 2050 seeing that even now, when the US became a pretty diverse country, it has higher rates of invention compared to almost all other countries, higher or similar GDP growth rates to other rich countries, regardless of the immigration issue or lack of it in them, and one of the highest per capita GDP in the world,

    I’ve been reading with interest your discussion with Daniel Chieh regarding the world economic situation especially as regards between China and the US. I’m glad to read that the US economy should remain relatively unscathed until the 2050’s. I think that the greatest impediment to US hegemony will not be greatly tested until a serious threat is made to the US dollar as the world’s petrodollar and reserve currency medium. Do you or Daniel have any thoughts as to when such a play may actually be made to unseat this very advantageous situation for the US economy?

    • Replies: @Passer by
  140. Passer by says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    However, I do not think the California model is replicated across the US because California vacuums up so much global talent. Florida is a highly diverse state with a low GDP per capita. I think it is a better representation of where the entire US is headed in 2050.

    That must take into account that California is very important for overall US GDP and innovation, much more than Florida. Then there is the broad issue of the US having an economy of scale. This is significant.

    If you look at the US as a whole and not per states, the US has one of the highest rates of production of high quality science in the world per capita, beating almost all other rich countries. So the US itself, as a whole, (per capita of its total population) “vacuums up so much global talent”. Karlin made articles on it.

  141. songbird says:
    @silviosilver

    If aliens somehow managed to find the gold record on Voyager, then they would probably have enough evidence to theorize that we were destroyed by poz.

  142. Mr. Hack says:
    @Shortsword

    Why not spearhead a campaign to have one more erected in your hometown? Collections for other more frivolous causes are made everyday.

  143. @Triteleia Laxa

    Where’s their article arguing that Covid-19 is a Chinese bioweapon purposefully released out of completely incompetent spite?

    Or that the CCP is composed of a caste of people who ritually sacrifice babies and drink their blood?

    Or that the current aim of the CCP is to make ‘yellow genocide”?

    The most government critical thing I saw was an “open” discussion on

    lol, there was actually a couple at one point which said that “Chinese people should have died, Japanese should have won WW2” and that was actually in official academia, not just zihui.

    There was also the pretty entertainingly insane Auntology, which was a bit like the “yellow genocide” but its more like “keep everyone as a slave caste member.”

    https://supchina.com/2019/03/13/chinas-intellectual-dark-web-and-its-most-active-fanatic/

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  144. Passer by says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I’m glad to read that the US economy should remain relatively unscathed until the 2050’s.

    I’m not saying that. Politically the country will become more polarised and fractured. Politics may have an effect on economics. The US also has large and growing debts. The US military will be cut, it is already baked in in future budgets. The US dollar in general will be weakening in the long term both due to the debt issue and the decline in the share of the US in the global economy. The US will be a declining country (in relative decline), imo, up to 2100. I also think that China will be a declining country after 2050, so both of them will be declining.

    IMO the dollar will lose its dominant place, but slowly. There should be a basket of currencies, gold and crypto replacing the dollar, with the dollar still acounting for maybe 25% -30 % of globalreserves, but it will happen slowly imo. By 2050. Not by 2030. It is right now at 59 %. The CNY is estimated to reach 10 % in global reserves by 2030. The dollar will lose its place much faster in transactions, it is happening now, as countries are looking to avoid sanctions or surveillance. It is right now at 39 %.

    So i see a multipolar world in the making, not US dominated, but not China dominated either. Peak China power should be around 2050, i think it will take Taiwan by the 2040s, after that things should get really chaotic and interesting, with India reaching near US GDP at the end of the century, Africa reaching 3-4 trillion people, and muslims becoming nearly 35 % of the global population. A real multipolar world. I think that the curent system will collapse by 2050. It will be more non-white, more post european world. And it should be more dangerous too, probably the NPT regime will collapse, as more and more players emerge, and many countries will obtain nuclear weapons.

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    , @Xi-Jinping
  145. songbird says:
    @Joe Paluka

    I’m talking about the brain’s ability to process the signal from the eyes. Not the eyes themselves.

    Hunter gatherers tend to have better ability to process movement.

  146. Mr. Hack says:
    @Passer by

    I’m not saying that.

    It looks to me like you’re backpedaling a bit, or at least hedging your bets. A plain reading of the quotation of yours in my comment #142 seems to paint a somewhat rosier picture…I’m probably nitpicking here and do appreciate your fuller reply in #147.

    • Replies: @Passer by
  147. @sudden death

    those UK’ies had Astra Zeneca shots, which were not mRNA.

    Most “vaccinated” people in the UK had Pfizer.

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  148. @Shortsword

    Big Floyd is a national hero.

    Tell me who is your national hero, and I tell you what kind of nation you are.

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  149. Edward Dutton made a video criticizing the idea of the technological singularity, and why he thinks it won’t happen.

  150. Passer by says:
    @Mr. Hack

    It looks to me like you’re backpedaling a bit, or at least hedging your bets. A plain reading of the quotation of yours in my comment #142 seems to paint a somewhat rosier picture

    Well, that was a discussion about the effect of immigration on the US economics alone, but politics will also be affected, and this points to potential instability and division, and then if you look at long term economic studies about the US, they already point to long term relative decline of its place in the global economy, although slow. And they are not even aware of the immigration effects (or third-wordisation effects) on the US, which adds a further downside for it, especially in the long term. Although it is not a big downside (probably 15-16 % potential loss in GDP by 2100), but its there, and it adds up.

    So it looks that the US relative decline for this century is baked in, but also that the US is a very resourceful country, and well connected country, with very good starting position, so it should be a slow decline. But there is political risk that is hard to predict. When there is polarisation, something small can cause big trouble. See the George Floyd saga. Or a war and use of force to try to show that the US is not in decline

    These three effects that intersect each other at the same time – whites becoming a minority in the country, debt reaching all time high, with the US gradually losing influence in the world, and everybody knowing about that, point that something may happen. Either internally or externally. The tension is there, it is just looking for a spark.

  151. @Daniel Chieh

    That’s still nothing on Unz, it is Chinese Brett Weinstein, and those sites are either censored or they’re hosted abroad and the authorities try to ban them, from what I’ve looked up. I also notice that the one you provided before, as evidence of some dissent being allowed, is, from what I actually read, no more dissenting than the White House PR office.

    I am sure that China has many weird, mad and wonderful ideological currents, but it feels like you’re telling me it is the middle of day outside, because it is not completely pitch black.

  152. songbird says:

    Pretty shocking to see a pre-code Capra film. Guessing even as director, he felt powerless to censor the writer.

    Seems to support my view that censorship is necessary.

  153. @Triteleia Laxa

    I also see that “Auntie” is now a political refugee in the United States.

    He is pretty astute on the West however, and funny.

    Google translate did a good job for me:

    https://freewechat.com/a/MzI4MjA3MTg2OA==/2652507882/1?rss

  154. @Anatoly Karlin

    Hopefully that will give North America some peace, and even the greatest “swallow the peoples of the world”-types will struggle to keep up their desired level of immigrant inflows.

    Then the self-improvement can begin, ha ha.

  155. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Kind of a good joke, right?

    People act like going from 1.4 billion to…even 800 million (not that that is going to happen) over the course of a century is some crazy catastrophe. Even Japan going from 120 million to 80 million (again, not going to happen, bar a nuclear war over Taiwan), is not a disaster. Still bigger than Ireland, in both cases, and either 10 Germanies or 1 Germany, respectively.

    America’s population going over 400,000,000 would have been impressive in an era when they would have been more white. Now it’s just sad. Though, Hispanics are pretty okay, so we can artificially hit over 400 mil by integrating Mexico, which would probably also improve our immigration laws as Mexicans vote en masse to bar any foreigners from settling their country, including Central Americans. Lol.

  156. @AnonfromTN

    Most over ’70s had Pfizer. So have most under 40s. It is about even. It would depend when the military were vaccinated.

  157. @Passer by

    is one of the most innovative countries in the world per capita, as well as with higher GDP growth rates than most other western countrues.

    The only reason the US is “innovative per capita” than most countries is due to immigration. It does a poor job at raising local talent. As the rest of the world improves amd catches up (and Europe declines), I predict fewer people will emigrate from their countries (a reverse brain drain may even occur) and “US innovation” will greatly slow down. We are already seeing this in China, where many large Chinese tech companies are ex-Silicon Valley employees coming back to China to make their fortunes (ex Anker CEO). Currently China is undergoing a reform of its university system, I predict this will raise its Universities to a US standard (at minimum) so there will also be less motivation to go abroad, as the gov opens up more high quality universities throughout China.

  158. @dfordoom

    Soviet music did improve when Stalin set actual (read: traditional) music standards.

    Obviously, there is some balance that is needed. I bet the ideal varies for the individual and the culture.

  159. @Passer by

    You are making one crucial assumption that needs to be examined – that the US will remain intact as it is now. The uncentralized nature (ie each State is semi-autonomous) of the USA where each “State” is essentially its own country with a unified currency and protected by a central government, means that if the US economy declines, stops being first,’ its productivity falls, has too many people of a certain ethnicity (say Latinos) concentrated in one place – it can so happen that States begin to remember historical grievances or suddenly “discover” a new identity (like Ukraine or the provinces of the Roman Empire) that is suddenly at odds with the rest of the US and may attempt secession – especially if the power of the Feds weaken, some governors may figure it will be better for them if they where the President of their own country.

    This often happens to States/Empires that begin an (even modest) economic decline. This happened to Rome, Britain and USSR. It doesnt usually happen to relatively homogenous states, but the US is not homogenous and will become less so over time. Moreover the semi-autonomous nature of its State system seems like it would lend itself well to splintering. A splintering will ruin any projections of econokic growth.

    So do you think its likely the US will remain intact in its current State or splinter based on ethnic, economic or Racial lines?

  160. @Triteleia Laxa

    You should read Weibo, people constantly complain about stuff and protests are encouraged in China and the government seems to be far more responsive.

    Check out the below article for more on the matter:

    https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/02/surprise-authoritarian-resilience-china/

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  161. @Svevlad

    Let us not forget the elephants! A war the interior Africans didn’t start winning until the introduction of guns wholesale to the Savannah. I’m not even kidding. Those guys will wreck a village of any moderate size. I like elephants, but a war is a war. Bees and thorn bushes help, though.

    In time, with the advantages of many modern breakthroughs (medicinal and otherwise) and ongoing Chinese infrastructure development and investment (different than Western financial investment), as well as political stabilization (much of Africa is, in fact, not a horrible, rape-filled warzone), they’ll figure themselves out and create the moderately prosperous societies. It won’t be Germany, China, Japan, Russia, Korea or Britain, but it will be a fairly okay place to be, and especially so if one is African (biologically and culturally).

    It takes time, though, and a outsiders not to interfere besides simple trade and infrastructure deals. Gadaffi was always working towards that goal. A damn shame it was, too. Europe and the world could have had a moderately stable and moderately prosperous Dark Continent, and instead they opted for “The Gayest and Darkest” Timeline.

  162. @Triteleia Laxa

    The great shame of Xbox, and Microsoft, as my father noted (working there), is that they absolutely, positively refuse to build factories in Japan and South America, despite the fact their these people actually game, can appreciate Xbox games, and more importantly, buy nationalist. Meaning, one must first produce there to sell there, but this ensures a chance at the market. Alas, Microsoft leadership is as short sighted as many American mega-corporations.

  163. @Triteleia Laxa

    The more extreme zihui comments I recall were in the comments, including arguments that the Party was keeping everyone as leeks and therefore basically failing in their mission, etc. Its not that rare.

    Auntology is quite a bit more extreme than Weinstein or any “Dark Web” intellectual despite the name of the article: it advocates the breakup of the nation, which would fall into extremism in the US as well, which now is being actively sought for to suppressing, including even less far-out movements.

    https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

    In fact, I’m not even sure Unz could safely host such discussion at the moment to be honest.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  164. @Yellowface Anon

    Dictators in Africa have a eight wives and forty children. How are they going to tell people to stop having bunches of kids?

  165. @Triteleia Laxa

    22% of doctors in Japan are women, and rising fast. This is what it was in the US back in the final year of the Clinton administration. Hardly “impossible” for women. Or even negative at all.

    Numbers are deceptive, women are mostly in part-time labor.

    And the grade-editing is reasonably well known.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/08/tokyo-medical-school-admits-changing-results-to-exclude-women

    Given the same clique system I mentioned before and the importance of informal “shadowy” organizations, it serves as effective barriers while not actually appearing as such. Like I mentioned before, I actually think this is somehow rather admirable because it comes off as fairly smooth and nonconfrontational(though its innately hypocritical, much like how crime is effective zero, but mobsters like yazuka are legal, so their crime is intentionally overlooked).

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  166. @mal

    Those people that want student debt cancelled have absolutely no clue. That stuff is gold.

  167. @Daniel Chieh

    women who do lunch” which emphasizes how pleasant it is. Women can’t make it into doctors, often because their grades are sabotaged, but that’s basically fine because if they can’t think they can, and then no one else tells them they can, then they’re pretty happy about it. And yes, then there are the exceptional cases I mentioned.

    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce. The solution for China and Japan to reverse their poor fertility rates is to make it seem that having many children is a very pleasant and socially desirable thing for women. If combined with good social/financial planning, I predict demographic trends to reverse in a generation (with good enough propaganda and strict censorship).

  168. @Passer by

    First three you’ve mentioned, plus famine-tier supply chain collapses (in the “same” way Holodomor & Great Leap Forward happened) and possibly industrial genocide.

  169. @Daniel Chieh

    I don’t see evidence that the numbers are deceptive, and even if so, I don’t see any problem with “part-time” work.

    Not that these caveats would matter anyway as numbers are rising extremely quickly, just as the US did, but 20 years behind.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  170. @Daniel Chieh

    Artstyle? There is basically not much room for innovation outside of those that can be also shared by Japanese artists. But the narrative and worldviews are gold.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  171. mal says:

    People trying to estimate US GDP growth rate to 2050 are missing the point.

    US GDP is going to skyrocket, but innovation, technology, immigration, or even my favorite pet interest – debt, are not really going going to be the key drivers. Those things won’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

    By 2050, obesity rate in the US will be well over 50%, maybe pushing 60%, and this, combined with aging population, will create a rather interesting cascade of health problems and massive cash cow for the healthcare sector.

    If you think US healthcare, at 18% GDP and $4 trillion annually today, is expensive, you ain’t seen nothing yet. My base case for 2050 is 25% GDP, but I wouldn’t rule out 30-35% GDP in healthcare expenditures. The more people get sick with chronic illnesses, the higher the GDP will go. And there will be many such cases.

    By 2050 US economy will be fully powered by oil. No, not shale oil. Land whale oil.

  172. @Xi-Jinping

    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.

    When you one day meet a woman, you will be wrapped as tightly around her finger as a Chinese finger trap.

    • LOL: Xi-Jinping
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  173. @Triteleia Laxa

    I’ve had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I’m tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week.

    Point is not to brag about my sexploits – point is to say women are easily manipulated if you are the right guy. You can turn a Jewish girl into a rabid Nazi. You can also brainwash a feminist into becoming a housewife (whether she’ll be a good one is another question). Women will adopt the views (and lifestyle and hobbies) of a guy theyre with (if they like him alot).

    Women will go after what they think gives them more social status – society (and men) can use that to their advantage. They are also incredibly emotional

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  174. @Xi-Jinping

    This is one of my deeper assumptions on my US estimates. Federal power and massive economies of scale + internal supply chains will have to go, but we might still see a common market and currency (the Dollar), if those aren’t points of political contention (I’ll say local markets and competing currencies are more likely given the political divide and conflicting ideologies)

    You can just look at Central Asia or Baltics for what will be happening (Independence wiped out Latvia’s locomotive industry)

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  175. @Xi-Jinping

    This merely supports my idea that women can be brainwashed into having more children just like they can be brainwashed into the workforce.

    Replace women with people, and it’s pretty accurate. The fish absorbs what’s in the water, people absorb the information provided: men and women both.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  176. @Yellowface Anon

    I agree that federal power will go. Many of the multinational corporations in the US (especially large ones) will either move overseas or collapse (moving overseas is more likely.

    I think that although the dollar may stay as the de facto currency, eventually each seceded state will develop its own currency to “legitimize” the rule of their new government. Also, a “specialization” and alliance of states will form to be able to acquire food (as many of the costal cities are not self sufficient.

    But this is getting deeply into theory land – i may be wrong about my thesis and US central power is stronger than i thought – but it seems like the “State” system along with the social tensions in the US is a ripe combination for splintering (I know i’d want to be my own boss if i was the governor of a State and the opportunity to secede aros, i’d take it).

  177. @Daniel Chieh

    I agree in general – however men seem to be more susceptible to xenophobic/status quo/militiristic propaganda. Women are more susceptible to social propaganda (social media, movies, etc). Anecdotally, men have no opposition to large families, its mostly the women who dont want them bc they seem to think that a career is glamorous and desirable and pleasant (never mind to womens happiness levels being lowest in history) – this view seems to come from the media that actively pushes women into the workforce and shows motherhood as something “oppressive” and “undesirable”. Given womens inherent emotionality, desire for social status and social conformity, and predeliction for following trends – a strong propaganda campaign targeted at adolescent and teen girls showing them how desirable a large family is and how miserable career women are will see a large efflux of women from the workforce.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  178. @Xi-Jinping

    I’ve had sex with more women than most guys will in their lifetime. I’m tall and good looking asian guy who lifts 5x a week….Point is not to brag about my sexploits

    That is the only discernable point.

    Women will go after what they think gives them more social status – society (and men) can use that to their advantage

    You’re hoping to use your story above to get more “social status” on this board, so I don’t imagine that you’d be difficult to manipulate in exactly the way you think women are. This is interesting. It is also why I said that you would end up wound around some girl’s finger, completely oblivious.

    Further evidence is that you think that you are tricking those women into sex, with the implication that you owe them something. If you are tall and good looking, then you aren’t tricking them at all. Women enjoy sex and like tall and good looking men. They’re just giving you that impression so that they get free use of your credit card, which I believe is ordinary in East Asia; you Machiavellian manipulator, you.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
    , @AaronB
  179. @Xi-Jinping

    Many of the multinational corporations in the US (especially large ones) will either move overseas or collapse (moving overseas is more likely.

    Collapse, nationalizations or break-ups are quite possible to me (especially those strongly associated with Federal power e.g. Big Media, Social Media, Big Pharma).

    the dollar may stay as the de facto currency, eventually each seceded state will develop its own currency to “legitimize” the rule of their new government.

    If libertarian ideology is strong in some parts gold and crypto will predominate.

    Also, a “specialization” and alliance of states will form to be able to acquire food (as many of the costal cities are not self sufficient.

    Also possible that interior “Red” states will intentionally block food sales to “Blue” states for ideological revenge (partisan labels losing relevance notwithstanding)

    [MORE]

    Let me quote the UN middle projections (that appear increasingly laughable each passing day) for the US, China, Japan, Germany and Mexico in 2100:
    US 434M
    China 1065M
    Japan 75M
    Germany 75M
    Mexico 142M
    It is indeed very catastrophic for Japan and Germany, especially if you consider that Japan will be a nation of downwardly mobile seniors and Turks in Germany could reach parity with Germans (I think Turks are Greek-tier but you still don’t want Southern European efficiency in the industrial powerhouse of Europe)

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  180. @Yellowface Anon

    Well, I don’t see “sharing” as being an issue, but yes, there’s always a lot of potential for style. In anime, for example, the Yoshinori Kanada style became very prolific, but was then succeeded by Hiroyuki Imaishi with Gainax, which also had contribution in the commonality of the amusingly named Gainaxing trope 😛

    https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Gainaxing

    The technique of drawing a female character with unusually large and buoyant breasts and without a bra, then animating every individual jiggle, sway, bounce and bobble they undergo. Also known as Gainax Bounce or the Gainax Bounce Effect.

    The motion so displayed is typically asynchronous — each breast is animated separately and possesses its own individual movement.

    But yes, even now, you can clearly see a difference between say Kyoani’s and UFOtable’s work, etc; its possible that Chinese animators will eventually have a more distinctive style as well. Right now it seems to just be a shared obsession with a major female character with white hair 😛

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  181. @Triteleia Laxa

    If you think im using “my story” to acquire more social status on an anonymous board, why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women? If you presume to make judgements about them, im sure you arent afraid of such a challenge?

    that you are tricking those women into sex, with the implication that you owe them something

    Sure women like sex with good looking men. I wasnt always good looking (looks is often a function of how you dress/your physique and less so about face, imo). Still had no problems then.

    They’re just giving you that impression so that they get free use of your credit card, 

    Further proof you dont meet many women – if you need a “credit card” or money to get laid – then you’re a beta! In fact, if you want good relationships with women never pay for them and get them gifts. Ever. And never let them use your credit card. Spend money freely on yourself not on them.

    If you need money to get a woman, you’re doing it wrong. I’ve had women pay for expensive hotels while i was a broke student living on a matress with my mom.

    • Replies: @JL
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  182. @Triteleia Laxa

    Not that these caveats would matter anyway as numbers are rising extremely quickly, just as the US did, but 20 years behind.

    Nah.

    I don’t think that systems of informal networks, basically variants of “old boy clubs” favor women. Long and short, women don’t seem to organize semi-secret cliques all that effectively.

    I suppose that’s one perhaps positive result of it, even though it causes tons of other problems: tons of wasted efforts in stupid rivalries, lack of entrepreneurship due to financialization also using the friends and family system, and generally a lack of promotion of skill since it immediately favors seniority.

    Its funny – though probably not true – that it is arguably a reason for continuing Japanese malaise, as under Abenomics, Japanese banks provided tons of stimuli and tax cuts for their personal friends in the largest companies, which of course, just immediately saved it or paid it out in dividends rather than invest it. In the end, little of the stimulus ever turned into additional economic activity.

    It certainly was a hilarious amount of wasted money.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  183. @Xi-Jinping

    The reason why governments encourage women in the workforce is that they would like more GDP per capita; this was explicitly the reasoning behind Abenomics. The corporate encouragement of female employment and the two-income trap has been documented elsewhere, its relatively solid.

    I don’t think men particularly favor large families either though; in general, urban environments don’t since children are costs rather than potential employees. Its also possible that there’s just some sort of mental effect against crowding.

    I personally think that pro-natalism policies should resemble Hungary’s, which seem to encourage women already with children to have more children. That’s particularly useful in East Asia, where many women have one child – but then stop at one. Encouraging increased fertility from those who have more, and thus already have sunk costs into children, is likely an effective trend.

    Probably if you create enough mothers like that, they’ll basically form their own political bloc. Housewives can have a surprising amount of free time for politics once the children are older, or if they have older children taking care of younger ones.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  184. @Yellowface Anon

    crypto

    Crypto is a meme that will not last long. Its entirely speculative and has no value. As a result it will eventually crash. Already China has banned Crypto, India will follow suit. More countries will ban crypto (probably all of EU) once they start releasing their own digital currency. Governments do not go long without regulating, unregulated markets. As more places will ban crypto, its initial value will rise as it becomes scarcer and then collapse entirely as there is not enough people “mining” or “using” it. At most bitcoin will remain in use for the dark web/criminal enterprises but I do not imagine it having long widespread use.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  185. @Daniel Chieh

    The reason why governments encourage women in the workforce is that they would like more GDP per capita; this was explicitly the reasoning behind Abenomics.

    I agree. Once a certain lvele of prosperity is reached (and in especially dire straits like Korea or Japan), the emphasis should shift away from GDP/capita and towards fertility. I wonder if we will see this.

    The corporate encouragement of female employment

    It seems the entire feminist movement that is seen in the West is derived from corporations trying to brainwash women into entering the workforce to increase the labor pool while decreasing wages.

    I don’t think men particularly favor large families either though

    Most Men are more romantic (ironically) than women and are essentially open to doing whatever the woman wants. However on social media (especially om the right), it seems that “Trad lifestyles” with large families are being propagandized for men. This is bound to subconciously influence mens preferences.

    In general, urban environments don’t since children are costs rather than potential employees.

    I dont think people think this far ahead. Rather they see glamorous lifestyles on TV and want to continue having “fun” (usually “fun” is also whatever they see online/on tv)

    Its also possible that there’s just some sort of mental effect against crowding.

    I dont think such a mechanism exists. Though I may be mistaken.

    I personally think that pro-natalism policies should resemble Hungary’s, which seem to encourage women already with children to have more children. That’s particularly useful in East Asia, where many women have one child – but then stop at one. Encouraging increased fertility from those who have more, and thus already have sunk costs into children, is likely an effective trend.

    Probably if you create enough mothers like that, they’ll basically form their own political bloc. Housewives can have a surprising amount of free time for politics once the children are older, or if they have older children taking care of younger ones.

    Interesting idea. And how has this worked for Hungary thus far?

    Also, the question arises is how do you “encourage” women to have more children? The only way I see is to flood them with propaganda. Good propaganda is strong enough to bypass peoples natural aversion/dusgust to gays or transvestites, i’m sure it will work particularly strong on things that are biological imperatives like child raising.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  186. @Mr. Hack

    He got buried in a GOLD COFFIN, omg speechless.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  187. JL says:
    @Xi-Jinping

    why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women?

    Just a guess, but maybe because Triteleia Laxa isn’t a lesbian and, therefore, has no female conquests to compare?

  188. @Daniel Chieh

    a difference between say Kyoani’s and UFOtable’s work, etc; its possible that Chinese animators will eventually have a more distinctive style as well

    You’re talking about animes which China still haven’t been able to crack into the global (even Japanese) market (except as outsourcing). Chinese artists are much more specialized in standalone and game art, and in that regard it’s currently much closer to the average Japanese style, tho still having enough original variations. The obessessoon with white hair is just a distinctive trait that’s based on relatively generic designs

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  189. @Xi-Jinping

    You’re probably underestimating the value of having currencies of political independence and opposition to the coming institutions. Which is why rather than re-formalizing economic activities, informalization is the trend for local economic activities, amd crypto is one of the options.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  190. Pericles says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    23andme in its current form doesn’t seem very useful or serious, e.g., the way SJW employees apparently had some fun by marking certain results as ‘<1% subsaharan african' just to troll the racists. However, being underwritten by a Google founder, I think the company is a way for jews to have their own private genomics firm without any need for their precious genes to leak to the goyim. Given the money behind it, 23andme can probably exist indefinitely.

    In general, as a customer you get your little report in exchange for your genetic information put in a freezer, digitized and logged. Who knows what happens with it afterwards. Overall, I don't find the trade off very enticing.

    On a more general note, I do however think genetic information will become increasingly used for various intrusive and routine official purposes. Excepting the good and great, naturally — we're not animals.

    (Sweden btw already has a sort of genetic register of everyone born in Sweden after 1975. This was motivated by detecting genetic disease — such a worthy purpose — but was in 2003 used to identify the murderer of politician Anna Lindh, I believe by matching blood spatter. He turned out to be the stabby son of an immigrant Serbian couple.)

  191. Pericles says:
    @Passer by

    And if you have seen PISA data on second gen migrants in the US overall they are not that bad, Europe is worse (it gets lower quality migrants), about 4 IQ points lower than the US average.

    We nice people in Sweeeden boosted our PISA results last time around by quietly excluding low-quality migrants, by the way.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
    , @Boomthorkell
  192. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Passer by

    Growth rates up to 2050

    Banks have tended to underpredict Chinese growth over the past 20 years. A more HBD-orientated prediction uses South Korea’s economic trajectory of the last 30 years as a reference point for China’s next 30 years. In 2021, South Korea had a GDP per capita of 51% of the US.

    If China has 3.5 times the people as the US in 2050, you predict at the upper end, China will have a GDP per capita that is 43% of the US. I am going against the banks and predicting 50% or higher instead. The reasons are the South Korean precedent and US decline. China may not do as well as South Korea because of the constraints of being a big country (e.g. no possible way to match South Korean export market share in proportion to population), but I also believe US GDP per capita growth will be weaker over the next 30 years compared to the past. It will be hobbled by racial demographics.

    US racial demographics

    The US is by far the richest country per capita among countries with populations higher than 10 million. That makes it hard to see any effect of greater racial diversity on economic performance. But I think state-by-state comparisons shed some light. Massachusetts is another state that like California vacuums a lot of global talent. It is not as racially diverse as California and has a GDP per capita of 10% higher. That difference could be what California is losing out on. Florida is quite racially diverse. Unlike California or Texas, it doesn’t get as much global talent or produce almost 2 million barrels of oil a day. It is #40 among states by GDP per capita. And it is still 20 years behind California or Texas in racial diversity.

    It also makes sense to assume a white/Asian demographic decline from 65% to 50%+ will be a harder hit to the economy than compared to the fall from 80% to 65%.

    US over taking China

    As this is 80 years away it’s too speculative for me to find as interesting as other subjects being discussed. I also think the Chinese government will intervene if faced with demographics going that badly. That is all I have to say about it.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
    , @Passer by
  193. @AnonfromTN

    Well put.

    Watching this whole surreal saga unfold is probably what whites who were in the know in the 1950s felt like when the Rosa Parks myth was being foisted on them. The difference is that was a complete put-up job, whereas the initial incident that sparked the Floyd mania occurred naturally. In both cases though, the entire media apparatus was psychologically and ideologically well prepared to spring into action.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  194. Pericles says:
    @silviosilver

    The difference is that was a complete put-up job, whereas the initial incident that sparked the Floyd mania occurred naturally. In both cases though, the entire media apparatus was psychologically and ideologically well prepared to spring into action.

    Remember the poor jogger who was se upon by whitey a few weeks before the Floyd overdose? I think the Cathedral was casting about for something suitable to provoke a big chimpout before the election.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  195. https://wesleyyang.substack.com/p/welcome-to-year-zero

    It took a decade or so for the theory of “colorblind racism” to move from academia to corporate America, and another half-decade for it to be explicitly endorsed by the federal government.

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/07/16/un-orders-global-systematic-racism-probe/

    “The UN Human Rights Council on Tuesday highlighted the global “scourge” of systemic racism and ordered an independent investigation into racially-fuelled police violence around the world.

    Setting up infra for Bantu invasion.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  196. Svevlad says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    From what I have gathered over time, it turns out that Serbia, where the local soyadeen constantly bitch and moan about a “patriarchal xenophobic culture” is pretty much the most open. The worst we do is talk shit – and we do that to our friends, even. It’s all banter.

  197. Svevlad says:
    @Pericles

    Now, if only we could exclude low-quality migrants from reproducing…

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  198. Rahan says:

    Please contact Galactic Central:

  199. @Yellowface Anon

    I understand peoples desire for political independence but when was the last time governments left a popular thing unregulated? Or freely gave people political independence? I predict crypto.will be attacked by governments at every turn in the future

  200. @Triteleia Laxa

    Take computer games.

    That’s one industry which is beginning to get dominated by China.

    I just read an article on their censorship in China, which China is very extreme with.

    This is a good thing as they censor all the woke ideology that ruined Western games. I’ve been playing Genshin Impact lately and it’s so refreshing to not have multiracial gay polyamorous romances in my silly bit of relaxing entertainment. It’s a huge hit that definitely proves that Chinese gaming industry is ready to take on the West although it’s also an example of things that are popular with Chinese gamers and not with Western gamers (gacha + mobile focus).

    Predictable censorship by the all powerful Party (or King or whoever) can be good for creativity because it lets the artist figure out the game of getting as close to the line as possible and finding creative ways to get the message to the viewer past the censors. De jure freedom of speech but de facto censorship by activist fanatics like in the West leads to much wider sanitization (since no one can predict who the fanatics come for next) and companies filling their products with pre-emptive pandering to the woke mob.

    This is good for building up a domestic Chinese industry, but much worse for fusing the rest of the world to their market.

    The biggest problem that China has in exporting video games is that they jumped straight past the personal computer and console cultures that the West and Japan experienced and developed a tech culture mainly for smartphones. We find it a downgrade to game on a phone compared to a PC or a console but the Chinese don’t because they skipped that whole era and went straight from villages with no electricity to the smartphone era.

  201. @Xi-Jinping

    If you think im using “my story” to acquire more social status on an anonymous board, why dont we poast the quality of women we get and see who gets the hotter women?

    You go first!

    I also understand what “game” is, and the “theory” behind it. I strongly disagree with why it “works”, while not disputing the basic efficacy of don’t be pathetic, don’t be disgusting and don’t be boring.

    My main “interesting point” is that “game” posits that women are all about social status, unlike men, who like sex, because of biology.

    I find this hilarious, because, as per your post, men who talk about “game” a lot are obviously motivated by the way in which they perceive that sleeping with a lot of hot women will add to their own social status as a performatively masculine, sharp-eyed cynic.

    This, the inability to discern your own motivations from those of others, is a distinct psychological weakness. Such weaknesses make you very easy to manipulate; especially when paired with the delusion that you are manipulating others.

    Please try to calmly list what you think motivates women, and then attempt to recognise yourself in that list. It will be good for you.

    As for your triumphs with all of those hotties, I am happy for you, just try to remember, that from sex upwards through to lifetime partnership, it is about the journey, not the destination, as the destination is always death.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
    , @Morton's toes
  202. AaronB says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    He’ll be manipulated, but he’ll have no clue that’s what’s happening. He’ll insist it’s entirely his own desire to maximize his status and impress his girlfriend etc etc 🙂

    That’s always how it is with macho guys. They’re completely trapped by their self image and need to impress others, but cannot see this as being the victim of manipulation.

    In reality, though, as human beings we are interdependent on others and our environment. This dream of being able to stand “outside” this matrix and brainwash and manipulate others is a complete fantasy. Anything you try to manipulate you will necessarily end up being manipulated by.

    Take mating rituals – the man tries to “manipulate” the woman by impressing her with his “fitness”. But by so doing, he is acceding to her ideas of what fitness is. She expects – he conforms. Who is manipulating who?

    Maybe manipulating is the wrong frame. Interdependence is more accurate. And it’s not just other humans – the total environment, forces completely out of our control, play a role.

    This idea of the “outside observer”, standing aloof from everything and controlling it, was an artifact of Newtonian science, and has been decisively disproven by Quantum Mechanics. Our thinking just has not caught up yet.

    Although, philosophically, it has been disproven many times across the world.

    One feels that new advances in science are being held back from out unwillingnesd to truly move past the simplicity of Newton.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  203. You know the dedicated Russia hater XSovietNews on Twitter? There’s an article about her being fired from her job. The information checks out with her Linkedin page so it’s definitely her. The story is basically that the employer fired her for behaving inappropriately and now she wants compensation for trauma.

    Here’s the article.

    Funny, but how is this newsworthy?

  204. @Pericles

    Yes, they were definitely prospecting. The ‘jogger’ story had legs, but they really hit pay dirt with Floyd. The smug way the cop had the groid on the ground with his knee, I bet some of the old hands in the newsroom knew they had another Rodney King the second they saw that.

  205. @Svevlad

    Systemic sterilization you mean? One of the good things Bill Gates has done, by your standard, is using vaccinations to sterilize women in underdeveloped countries. The allegation of whether COVID vaccines are intended for that is one of the biggest points of contention.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    , @Svevlad
  206. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Take mating rituals – the man tries to “manipulate” the woman by impressing her with his “fitness”. But by so doing, he is acceding to her ideas of what fitness is. She expects – he conforms. Who is manipulating who?

    This isn’t to say these “displays” work. Rather, this shows why they cannot by definition work. The practice undermines the premise.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
  207. @sher singh

    “Racially-fuelled police violence” must be punished while regular police violence commited on same-race victims are ok, eh?

    The respect for the inherent value of humanity is gone.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  208. @Yellowface Anon

    (I actually don’t endorse that kind of sterilization. Properly you need the consent of the woman involved)

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  209. @Daniel Chieh

    Already 40% of doctors in Japan under 29 are women. This has moved from single figures in a lifetime. All of your imagined obstructions haven’t done anything to stop the trend, which will continue, that is baked in. Japan is on the same path as the US, but just following 20 years behind. Reality has not conformed to your theories, so I suppose your theories are wrong.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Passer by
  210. @Triteleia Laxa

    Game states that women are not just about social status lol. If you think that you know nothing of Game.

    Women and men have different biological imperatives and methods of achieving them.

    Women have a dual mating strategy that can be broadly described as “alpha fucks, beta bucks”. Meaning that they’d rather fuck (and potentially have the kids) of a guy they think is psychologically alpha and have the weaker, provider type pay for it. This explains why women are more prone to cheat then men. If a man can embody both archetypes, that is ideal but very very rare. In youth when theyre beauty (and social status) is maxinized they will seek to date and sleep with the best guys. As they get older and their beauty (and this social status) declines, this becomes harder until they settle down with some poor schmuk who will be happy to provide for them and a kid blisfully unaware of their sordid past.

    Men on the other hand want to maximize their ability to sleep with as man women as possible (biologically speaking) while minimizing their investment.

    In traditional societies (before the social pact of monogamy was made), women where concentrated around a few men in harems. This accounts for why men have 17 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor (measured by variation in mitochondrial DNA for the female line and Y chromosomal variation in the male line). Eventually a social contract was made that guarenteed one woman for one man (however the powerful still ended up having harems), and this was done to ensure social stability and that men have a reason to contribute to society without going GALT or trying to overthrow it. This social contract broke and we are seeing a return to traditional times – most men arent having sex and most sex is concentrated around top 20% of men in a pareto distrbution. This has been even more exacerbated by online dating and womens enfranchisement . Game evolved as a response to that.

    Now you ask what makes a guy “alpha”? Of course social status, looks and money plays a role but ultimately women are willing to overlook that if you can project psychological strength. Looks money and status makes things a great deal easier, but psychological strength is what women want. They will actively test for it by trying to stur up conflict, drama or seeing how you react under pressure. This explains why some guys who “shouldnt” be able to get with hot women, do whereas rich men have to pay women (such as yourself) to get with them.

    So again, sleeping with alot of women does nothing to enhance my own social status. Guys dont care beyond trying to get the same thing. Its fun for me.

    https://ibb.co/b6Qg8Tw

    Poast bitches. It will autodelete in 2 hours

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  211. Svevlad says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Actually not good. What if he sterilized a good chunk of their potential smart fraction?

    It’s the equivalent of spray and pray. Unacceptable.

    I would mostly pay the identified idiots to do it. Now that’s a better one. I’d also pay identified geniuses to breed like rats. And I mean, good money. Literally be a professional birther.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  212. @Yellowface Anon

    Realistically speaking there is “no inherent value of humanity”. A predator will eat you just like it will eat a rabbit. Nature will destroy you in one way or another. If humans had “inherent value” in the eyes of the Universe, we would not be so easily destroyed. We are less insignificant than dust to the Universe because dust makes stars and planets that last for millenia whereas a human is lucky to live a small insignificant speck in the history of the Universe.

    Humans like to ascribe themselves value but are ultimately worthless. This “inherent value” is a meme intended to increase social stability but even our human elites do not think that – if they did, theyd make greater effort to take care of their flock. But they do not.

    • Agree: Svevlad
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  213. @Xi-Jinping

    psychological strength is what women want

    I don’t think you know what this means, but you’re right, even a lot of what feminism sincerely and openly wants men to do, is encouraging them to be psychologically stronger.

    For example, while poorly articulated, the campaign against “mansplaining” is encouraging men to recognise their epistemological limits and to be more curious. This is good advice.

    So again, sleeping with alot of women does nothing to enhance my own social status.

    I’ve just manipulated you to post an outre photo of a supposed “conquest” so that I, a stranger, can affirm your masculine value. You are too funny!

    They will actively test for it by trying to stur up conflict, drama or seeing how you react under pressure.

    People instinctively push others to develop. They do this in manifold ways. You have taken a thin slice of human interaction and made it the whole. I would strongly advise you to avoid entangling yourself with women who cause you to be constantly defensive. Your intuition is telling you to leave that situation. Listen to it.

    If you must stay with them, try opening up about the way you feel hurt by their behaviour and see if they care. If they don’t care, have the courage to leave. Lying to yourself that you’re not actually hurt is just playing yourself, not them.

    If you want to improve your “psychological strength”, start by admitting, to yourself, just how much you want my validation and what that means given that I am total stranger. Have the courage to build yourself on foundations of truth, and you will be far more resilient. Lying to me, or other people, is fine, often necessary, but lying to yourself is stupid.

    Women and men have different biological imperatives and methods of achieving them.

    I understand the narrative, but it is a simplistic fantasy of biology. If we are biological beings then whatever we do is biological, and most people don’t actually act as you describe, therefore what you describe is not biological. Reflect on this for a bit. It is important.

    In traditional societies (before the social pact of monogamy was made), women where concentrated around a few men in harems. This accounts for why men have 17 female ancestors to 1 male ancestor (measured by variation in mitochondrial DNA for the female line and Y chromosomal variation in the male line).

    A fact easily explained without your long diversion, by the story of the Sabine women. When war was more frequent and more local, and humans operated in much smaller groups, sometimes the men of one group would all be killed in a battle and the women would be still be alive. The quasi-rape, prostitution, making lemonade from lemons, that would follow, adequately explains the genetic phenomena which you highlight. Life has always been messy, but, thankfully, we seem easily able to do better.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  214. @Xi-Jinping

    I am sorry you feel worthless.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
  215. @Triteleia Laxa

    don’t think you know what this means, but you’re right, even a lot of what feminism sincerely and openly wants men to do, is encouraging them to be psychologically stronger.

    For example, while poorly articulated, the campaign against “mansplaining” is encouraging men to recognise their epistemological limits and to be more curious. This is good advice.

    LOL. No. Feminst complaining about “mansplaining” is about power not epistemological limits or being more curious *facepalm*

    You dont know what “psychological strength” is judging by the drivel you wrote. In this context it means resistance to stress. Women need somebody to ground them and look for this in a man. This happens by her being able to feel that a guy is unperturbed by whatever is happening around them.

    I’ve just manipulated you to post an outre photo of a supposed “conquest” so that I, a stranger, can affirm your masculine value. You are too funny!

    Haha no. I was perfectly aware you wouldnt poast your own bitches. The reason i did it was to humiliate you not to have some (probably fat) internet stranger to “affirm my value”. Since i knew you wouldnt poast, me poasting affirms that I did not lie. Whereas you not poasting merely indicates you get nothing. This puts whatever you say into doubt.

    This is very much the method ancient romans used in court to confirm the truth of their words.

    People instinctively push others to develop. They do this in manifold ways. You have taken a thin slice of human interaction and made it the whole. I would strongly advise you to avoid entangling yourself with women who cause you to be constantly defensive. Your intuition is telling you to leave that situation. Listen to it.

    If you must stay with them, try opening up about the way you feel hurt by their behaviour and see if they care. If they don’t care, have the courage to leave. Lying to yourself that you’re not actually hurt is just playing yourself, not them.

    If you want to improve your “psychological strength”, start by admitting, to yourself, just how much you want my validation and what that means given that I am total stranger. Have the courage to build yourself on foundations of truth, and you will be far more resilient. Lying to me, or other people, is fine, often necessary, but lying to yourself is stupid.

    LOL this reads like a cope. Women hate emotionality in men. It makes them scared.

    I dont care for your validation, but I did prove a point.

     

    fact easily explained without your long diversion, by the story of the Sabine women. When war was more frequent and more local, and humans operated in much smaller groups, sometimes the men of one group would all be killed in a battle and the women would be still be alive

    You described the concept of “War brides” where women are able to rapidly adapt to a new man or the loss of an old one. Which manifests itself in the ability of women to get over men easier than men get over women.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/psmag.com/.amp/environment/17-to-1-reproductive-success

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  216. @Svevlad

    Actually whatever eugenics plan I agree with, I’m liking it ironically. Eugenics (at least the current goals) really means conforming biological selection to a capitalist viewpoint of social achievement once outside of genetic diseases (e.g. intelligence to work in productive industries and innovate, socialability).

  217. @Triteleia Laxa

    I believe that this is hopium on your part, but we’ll find out.

  218. @Xi-Jinping

    Interesting idea. And how has this worked for Hungary thus far?

    In Hungary, the fertility rate has risen from 1.23 to 1.48, so that’s something.

    Also, the question arises is how do you “encourage” women to have more children?

    Money seems to work. Basically it pays couples money to have more children, or extends tax benefits that increase per child born. Basically, instead of trying to push its way, it lowers barriers for people who already want to have a number of children. Indirectly, it might also promote the “breeder” population as well.

    Such policies have been discussed in East Asia, I believe, but are opposed by women(usually with careers) who basically do not want other women to have more children; disguised partly in talk of their tax money going places they don’t benefit from, etc or it encouraging the poor to breed, but there’s clearly some sort of status thing going on there. Fortunately, at least for China, it is not a democracy and women have had a declining share of political power.

    Its always easier to guide a thirsty horse to the through than it is to force a horse to drink.

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  219. @Xi-Jinping

    Women hate emotionality in men. It makes them scared.

    No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared.

    No wonder you feel worthless, you have decided that hating yourself is strength.

    And no wonder you are seeking my validation, you can’t even validate your own feelings.

    Women need somebody to ground them and look for this in a man. This happens by her being able to feel that a guy is unperturbed by whatever is happening around them.

    If you felt more worthy, you wouldn’t be comparing yourself to dirt on the ground, and you wouldn’t need to pretend to be unperturbed by small slights.

    The only person who you’ve been playing is yourself.

    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
  220. Dmitry says:

    onservative grift

    It’s true that political activists are often some kind of financial scammers, in the sense they want people to finance their “work”, which for the rest of society might appear as a “useless, nonproductive labour” (labour that doesn’t create any objects or services of real value).

    But a lot of the kind of people attracted to this online political activist profession, also are significantly nonfinancially motivated people: those who want to attract attention to themselves – that is, to generate what the writers on personality disorders call “narcissistic supply”.

    With the internet, this has become even more prominent than it might have been among political activists of the past, and this emotional motive of the activists to generate attention for themselves, and the financial motive become conjoined, as the online content producing professional only receive financial support if that are able to generate sufficient clicks onto their content.

    Political activists are usually not good looking enough to be an “influencer” who generates attention by posting photos of themselves in bikini in Instagram, so they can often only generate attention by promoting controversial or clickbait political content.

    Whether the attention they receive is positive or negative, the financial and emotional necessity is to generate attention to their content, and often that can only be achieved by increasingly extreme and socially taboo (to another part of society) views.

    This is one of the pathways by which the internet seems to be contributing to increasingly intensity of the stupidity that we see in the American political debate – by the predominance of clickbait content generators, that have a higher proportion of people with unusual immoderations in their personality, if not personality disorders. Because the motivation of the professional political activist and writer, is to generate attention from their audience, rather than to give their audience an objective or logically coherent commentary.

  221. Nimrod says:
    @inertial

    Hanania does, to some degree, punch down on rightoids for falling for grifters. He is temperamentally arrogant and narcissistic.

    But take a look at his whole oeuvre. His actual policy recommendations sound like something out of a paleocon/white nationalist journal (crush teachers’ unions, defund universities, gut the Civil Rights Act). He’s on our side. If lefties actually though critically about what he says and does, they’d de-platform him instantly.

    Let him build up cover for himself wherever he can so he can keep pushing Crimethink.

  222. @Triteleia Laxa

    (Some) game is effective for the goal of date raping skank hos. Also at signaling you are a loser.

    I look at it as a win-win.

  223. @Triteleia Laxa

    No, you hate your emotionality. It makes you feel scared

    On the contrary I recognize my own emotions and deal with them as they come. However I do not show them to wonen bc women despise emotionality in men. If you had any experience with women, youd know that.

    We’ve already established that you are not qualified to speak of women bc you did not poast bitches.

    Its like in a Roman court where veterans will expose the scars on their chest to show they always faced the enemy and never ran. This gave their words more gravity as they proved their word through deed. You did not prove your word through deed whereas I did. Which means that you are not qualified to speak on the matter bc you dont get bitches.

    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
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  224. @Daniel Chieh

    Im not certain how far moneyhelps in raising fertility. In Russia, maternity capital has not had any significant effect in raising birth rates anongst young women.

    In fact, giving money to promote “breeders” especially in Asian societies like China that had families with many kids – doesnt make sense – since it seems logical that only breeders would have outbred everyone in the first place (judging by sheer population size). This propensity for “breeding” has not gone away over the course of 2 or so generations. Evolution does not work that fast. This indicates to me that this is more of a “mental software” than “hardware” issue.

    Money promoting “breeders” only works in societies with a relatively small population as there would exist a much larger percent of “non-breeders”. I do not think these exist in populous countries like China.

  225. Dmitry says:
    @silviosilver

    It’s not difficult to add the (small portion of) money you wanted to invest in stocks, to an index tracking fund, and forget about it for 10 years. Only idiots, masochists, or people who enjoy statistical noise, will follow the daily movements of such kind of investments.

    10 years sounds like a long time, but life is either very short, or time is going very fast, because the 10 years will have transpassed in an instant. Very soon it will be 2031, and you will be saying to yourself “it feels like only a few hours ago that it was 2021”.

    Of course, in that time, your youth will have run from you, and you will begin to find grey hairs – but in most of the possible futures likely you will have earned a little “free money” when you look at the envelope, and that will provide your older version of yourself with some sense of financial wisdom. (Although the freedom of the money will be somewhat of an illusion, due to the fact you did expose it to risk that resulted in losing money in some minority of other alternative futures that you will likely avoid having to live).

    For most of your income though, better to spend it now and buy some cool stuff while you are still alive and healthy, and childish enough to enjoy such things.

  226. Passer by says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    According to the link there are 36 %.

    https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00652/clear-gender-gap-for-japan%E2%80%99s-doctors.html

    Mostly concentrated in low pay areas.

    And there are limits to the view “things must be the same everywhere”, or “people are identical”.

    If you look at Asians living in the US, you will notice bigger gender pay gap than other groups, fewer asian women attending University, and higher level at stay at home mothers. Along with low divorce rates. So if asians in the US itself are less gender equal, i do not expect much coming from Japan.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  227. Dmitry says:
    @AaronB

    Jews are less than 0,2% of the population, so Karlin is showing 15 times higher levels of Judaism than a normal sample .

    If international guidelines for normal safe levels of Judaism in a person are 2000 ppm (parts per million), Karlin’s blood is measuring contamination rates as high as 30,000 ppm, at which point we might might begin to see the neurotoxic effects with symptoms like an interest in stock market and collecting multiple passports.

  228. @Dmitry

    Didnt know Karlin is a Jew. If he is, that explains alot

  229. Passer by says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Banks have tended to underpredict Chinese growth over the past 20 years.

    On the contrary, they were more optimistic about China and some predicted higher growth rates and China overtaking the US by around 2025. Today, these early optimistic views were downgraded to around 2030.

    On South Korea, or Japan, or Taiwan, i often thought about it, but what matters a lot is the system too. SK has americanised economic and political system. NK has another system, and although its the same people, the economic difference is huge. China has its own system. It is unclear if the chinese system will end up as productive as the SK one. Moreover, SK has turned into demographic black hole, with TFR dropping to the lowest in the world, around 0,9, which is going to bring down in the future the SK hard. So let’s hope that China does not follow SK, or its reign will be short lived.

    I am going against the banks and predicting 50% or higher instead.

    Ok, i will be more than happy if this happens.

    But I think state-by-state comparisons shed some light. Massachusetts is another state that like California vacuums a lot of global talent. It is not as racially diverse as California and has a GDP per capita of 10% higher. That difference could be what California is losing out on. Florida is quite racially diverse. Unlike California or Texas, it doesn’t get as much global talent or produce almost 2 million barrels of oil a day. It is #40 among states by GDP per capita. And it is still 20 years behind California or Texas in racial diversity.

    Yeah, but the US as a country vaccums more talent than almost all other countries. You get the bad states, you get the good states, and when you take them all together, all of this contruct – the US, takes more tallent than others. Thus it has higher innovation rate per capita than others.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/noosphere/

    It also makes sense to assume a white/Asian demographic decline from 65% to 50%+ will be a harder hit to the economy than compared to the fall from 80% to 65%.

    On this, i agree.

    As this is 80 years away it’s too speculative for me to find as interesting as other subjects being discussed. I also think the Chinese government will intervene if faced with demographics going that badly. That is all I have to say about it.

    Ok, but be aware that no developed country in East Asia managed to increase birth rates. Let’s hope China makes it.

  230. Passer by says:
    @Morton's toes

    I personally tweeted on their Twitter account that the article is biased. For example it sees possible negative scenarios only for China, but not for the US. For example that economic crisis may happen in China, but not in the US. This is one sided, an economic crisis may happen in the US too, actually they regularly happen. They did not mention the issues with US debt, only the chinese one, or the issues with US birth rate drops, only the chinese ones.

    • Agree: Xi-Jinping
  231. @Pericles

    I know quote a few countries also exclude testing from the mentally challenged.

    Here in America, our great white women teachers have determined that is inequitable.

    On the other hand, it’s probably more accurate to count how many mentally challenged and low-quality people actually exist within a country as a whole. Then again, maybe testing only O-Ring populations is the thing that matters.

  232. songbird says:

    A lot of past human progress was based on the domestication of animals. The nations with more species allied under their yoke were more advanced and came to dominate the others.

    In this spirit, I propose a new scifi idea: What if we modified animals so that their vocalizations were not politically correct. So they could say the things that people were afraid to say. Just simple words, to defeat poz.

    During WW2, there were plans to use bombers to deploy bats with incendiaries on them to roost under the eaves of Japanese buildings. In a similar vein, what if we dropped pigeons onto cities, that would outbreed their fellows? Pigeons that would coo “nigga!”

    [MORE]
    War Against the Sparrows? Would PETA allow it? But, anyway, what about cows in India mooing “Nigga!”

  233. @Passer by

    10%, 20%, 36%. This is how it has moved over only a short period of time. It isn’t hard to extrapolate out from that. Japan is on exactly the same trend line as the US, just 20 years behind. You can give any explanation you want, but the trend line still trends, and there is no sign of it halting or reversing. I am not making any value judgements, I am just acknowledging reality.

    If you look at Asians living in the US, you will notice bigger gender pay gap than other groups, fewer asian women attending University, and higher level at stay at home mothers.

    Divorce rates are confused by socio-economic status, but, in other areas, those stats are just as US white ones were 20 years ago.

    The direction of travel is extremely obvious.

    It is also obvious that almost no woman is attracted to a political programme which sees them discriminated against at work. Would even you be able to exercise such discrimination in the face of mildly sustained female resistance? Would anyone on this site? Is the only reason they don’t beat their wives and girlfriends because those women obey their every whim, or because they are worried about the police? Would they bar their daughters and sisters from medical school, sternly admonishing them through their tears, that it was for the good of society? I doubt it. It is all just a bunch of pretense and a silly power fantasy, though broken, antisocial exceptions do exist.

    Once they stop pretending, they will be able to see clearly why societies are trending in this direction. It isn’t because of media or some other facile placeholder, it is because people are adapting to the exigencies of life, as mediated by technological progress and the subsequent complexification of society. They may even see that this is a good thing, in as much as anything is good, because it is allowing people to answer their own questions. Good luck with standing on the shoreline and demanding that this tide won’t come in!

    • Replies: @Passer by
  234. Passer by says:
    @Xi-Jinping

    I think that there is political risk for the US and i mentioned that in the comments. I don’t know if it will happen. Sometimes it all looks calm, until someone gets killed, or some attrocity happens, and then all hell breaks loose. This is how internal conflicts often start.

  235. Passer by says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Actually it looks like female doctors in Japan were capped to around 36 %, if you look at persons passing the medical practitioner exam.

    https://www.nippon.com/en/features/h00261/too-few-female-doctors-japan-ranks-last-among-oecd-nations.html

    As for whether people in the US are the same, i’m not sure about that. Blacks for example have the most women per group graduating Uni in the US, more than whites, even though they have been living from a long time in the US.

    I’v seen aptitude tests of blacks (ASVAB) from the 70s and from recent times too and they consistently have smaller gender gaps than whites.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  236. Mr. Hack says:
    @silviosilver

    Wow! Really excellent renditions of Chicago’s music. Pop music from the 1970’s was so great, thanks for this trip down memory lane. And Xenia, what a beautiful and talented singer. Her rendition of the Rolling Stones “I can’t get no satisfaction” was perhaps the best that I’ve ever heard. And her beautiful Slavic good looks…who can resist her charms?

    Thank you!

  237. @Xi-Jinping

    The US elite have almost never been more united.

    Imagine having it so easy as rulers that you can convince yourself that January 6th was an insurgency, and use it as a partisan tool for intra-elite squabbling.

    The collapse of the USSR wasn’t preceded by them theatrically failing over every minor turbulence, it was preceded by them having to pretend that there was no turbulence, because there was nothing they could do about it.

    History is weird and unpredictable, but, if it weren’t for the fact that 1.4 billion people in China finally stopped starving themselves to death, the US would be the undisputed global hegemon for the next few centuries. It is very far from a state of collapse, which is incredibly rare, even if there will be inevitable tough times, as there always are in human travails.

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  238. @Passer by

    There was capping, but as soon as there was mild sustained resistance to the capping, that capping melted away.

    We see this time and time again. Don’t get fooled by the progressives’ self-glorifying narrative of overcoming tremendous obstacles.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/women-outperform-men-after-japan-medical-school-stops-rigging-exam-scores

    As for whether people in the US are the same, i’m not sure about that. Blacks for example have the most women per group graduating Uni in the US, more than whites, even though they have been living from a long time in the US.

    I did not mean to imply that it was living in the US that was important, but rather length of time engaging as individuals and families within modern, complex societies. This is not the only factor, so it does not perfectly predict every wrinkle in every group, but all groups are on the same trend line.

    • Replies: @Passer by
  239. Dmitry says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    America has defaults set on “public squalor; private wealth” and “high risk; high reward”.

    This can seem almost opposite to a country such as Denmark, which has “public wealth, private modesty” and “low risk, low reward. .

    America’s defaults result contribute to the sense it is a very dysfunctional, dystopian, seeming land, for its ordinary and low income population – but for skilled labour, in profitable professions, America’s “high risk, high reward” setting can create a very attractive immigration package.

    For people who are skilled in their profession, then the rewards can be highest in the US labour market, and the marginal taxes won’t remove most of your income in the higher tax bands either.

    If you wanted a more normal seeming, developed country, that approximates what a developed country should look like, then you would try to go to somewhere like Denmark. But for people who are in profitable skilled professions (which have the most emigration opportunities), then the risk/reward balance is quite favouring to work in the USA, despite all the horror and dystopia the country’s lack of public investment creates for the ordinary citizen.

    Elon Musk is an example of an immigrant who was rewarded by, and also seems to have psychologically internalized, America’s unusual settings. For example, Tesla has refused to develop an electric autobus, because Elon Musk has said that he dislikes public transport, autobuses and train (in America, public buses can be viewed as “for losers”, and this conveniently matches the society’s disinclination to invest a higher proportion of its wealth in publicly accessible goods).

    • Agree: Morton's toes
    • Replies: @Svevlad
    , @AP
    , @utu
  240. Svevlad says:
    @Dmitry

    A winning combination then is public wealth, private prosperity; high risk, high reward

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
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  241. @Yellowface Anon

    No, the Kiana-like designs are intentional homages: there’s shared talent between Punishing Gray Raven and Honkai, etc.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  242. Passer by says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    They only mentioned “several” medical schools doing this. There are 79 medical schools in Japan. Increasing the percentage by 10 percent in several schools does not change much.

    If you look at China’s female labour force participation rate it actually dropped in recent years, after being pretty high in the past, so in this life there is no guarantee for anything, unless its death and taxes.

    When it happens, then we can talk about it.

    but all groups are on the same trend line.

    Well, apparently blacks and whites in the US are not on the same trend line as gender gap in aptitude tests persists for whites, but not for blacks.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  243. @Passer by

    If you look at China’s female labour force participation rate it actually dropped in recent years, after being pretty high in the past, so in this life there is no guarantee for anything, unless its death and taxes.

    As they leave the sweatshops!

    China is so big that it is in multiple stages of economic development at the same time.

    The vast majority of woman worked all throughout history, as they had to, their families were not rich. What’s new is women rising in the professions, but they have always toiled. This is happening in China too. If anything, outside of politics, it seems to be sped up there, perhaps because of the one child policy.

    Well, apparently blacks and whites in the US are not on the same trend line as gender gap in aptitude tests persists for whites, but not for blacks.

    The gap is tiny and the gap between the gaps is tiny. Neither of these change the fact that individual women become more economically independent as economic growth progresses.

    We are all much more a product of our times than we are our race. That doesn’t preclude genetic differences, but it is pretty obvious when you think about it.

    They only mentioned “several” medical schools doing this. There are 79 medical schools in Japan. Increasing the percentage by 10 percent in several schools does not change much.

    Yet removing those hidden, informal barriers was like pushing on an open door, and the female proportion of doctors has risen more than 3 times over in a lifetime. You’re right that neither of us can guarantee the future, but I’d place my politics is line with those heavy trends if I wanted them to be successful.

    • Replies: @Passer by
  244. Russia will soon unveil its own version of the JSF at MAKS21.

    https://theaviationist.com/2021/07/15/russia-checkmate/

    Always happy to see a new advanced fighter.A relatively rare treat in the post cold war world

    (As opposed to static displays and artists impressions which are a dime a dozen)

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  245. Svevlad says:

    Look, look, look, women in the workplace is merely a symptom of the fact that people now need two wages to pay for a family – which is unacceptable. It forces the woman between either working and never reproducing, or reproducing and overloading herself by having both to work, and take care of the kids, and she can never do it herself, so the father jumps in too, so he also gets more stress. Granted, after pregnancy a woman can work again, the father can take care of the kid too, but there’s some things he just can’t do (remember: kids need to be nursed optimally to age 2!!!).

    It’s not a question of women should be allowed to work, it’s a question of why do women have to work, at least in the manner of today. It literally interferes with the child’s health.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  246. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Your posts often include brilliant insights, but these ideas you often share are ridiculous.

    America has defaults set on “public squalor; private wealth” and “high risk; high reward”.

    Most of America is not San Francisco.

    despite all the horror and dystopia the country’s lack of public investment creates for the ordinary citizen.

    “Horror” and “dystopia” maybe describe 10% of America’s people, living in certain ghettos or rural trailer parks.

    Almost every American can afford a comfortable automobile, so America does not have good public transportation. OTOH, national parks are spectacular and usually well maintained, and the highway system is usually rather good also.

    America’s rural areas and suburbs may be somewhat boring but they are hardly horrible or dystopian.

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  247. AP says:
    @Xi-Jinping

    Are you autistic, or rather sociopathic?

    It depends on whether you were truthful about your claims about your personal life. If you weren’t, then your obvious cluelessness about women suggests autism. You would do well to learn from your interlocutor.

    If you were truthful, then sociopathy comes into play.

    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn 🙂

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
    • Troll: Xi-jinping
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  248. Passer by says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    No one says that that the number of women in various professions did not increase, but i disagree with the view that everything will be the same in all countries, or between all groups.

    Turn arounds happen in modern times too, as the chinese example with dropping female labor force participation shows, or the examples i have seen in Russia, where the number of female engineers declined significantly compared to Soviet times, with continued downward trend at that. I also saw other sources where the number of women is STEM in Russia started declining again.

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-Decline-of-Women-in-Russian-Engineering-Barabanova-Sanger/59a1a8321c6cfe414cf222074e79e00b7b43de4a

    Yet removing those hidden, informal barriers was like pushing on an open door, and the female proportion of doctors has risen more than 3 times over in a lifetime.

    And there is no guarantee that the number of women working, or being in certain profession, will not drop again, as the chinese or russian examples show.

    Can you imagine yourself boasting about the rise of russian female engineers in the 80s only to be shocked by the turn around 20 years later? Think about it.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  249. @Vishnugupta

    It’s pretty clear it’s just a mockup in the newest video released. I guess that’s to be expected but considering the marketing I felt like there was a chance they had put together a flying prototype.

    • Replies: @Vishnugupta
  250. @Passer by

    I am not boasting of anything. I am just saying that greater economic development leads to greater economic independence for women.

    This manifests in women being able to get more professional jobs and the delegitimisation of “traditionalist” political programmes when it comes to gender.

    Any politics that stands against this current, dooms itself to ever increasing marginalisation, because not even the most tradded up online teen wants to actually enforce the laws which would be required.

    How much better would immigration restriction have sold if it had been seen, for the last few decades, as inimical to women’s comfort in the workplace? Rather than as the politics of people who think that the only place for women is locked up at home?

  251. songbird says:

    Will AK’s breeders be more sexually dimorphic, or less so?

    I would lean towards less so. Some say Amish women have plainer faces, which makes me think that they are less dimorphic. Africans tend to have high TFR and are less dimorphic.

    Wonder if we can estimate dimorphism over epochs by using ancient DNA.

  252. @songbird

    Africans tend to have high TFR and are less dimorphic.

    Are they really less dimorphic? Their bodies look otherwise to me.

    I don’t know how you measure this stuff, as there are so many factors, but my perceptions differ from yours.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
    , @songbird
  253. @Triteleia Laxa

    I’d guess that AK’s breeders would be more feminine on both sides. Now that parenthood is a choice, it seems likely that both mothers and fathers will towards traditionally feminine traits. Whether that reflects in their looks or not, is such a big and interesting topic.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Coconuts
  254. utu says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Demanding TFR=2 from women is unfair. In female only society TFR=1 is enough.

    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
  255. @Shortsword

    That is most unfortunate.

    I thought it would be a proper prototype with commonality with the PAK FA in terms of Type 30 engine and a scaled down AESA radar.

    If this is one of those 1990s type show everyone a mock up and hope someone finances the development type of ‘unveiling’ it is a dead on arrival.

    This sort of reminded me of a stealth fighter concept of Yakolev in the late 1990s with elements of the Mig LFI concept also from that era.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  256. Passer by says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    And i’m saying that the situation with female labour force or female representation in certain profession depends on country.

    For example, if you are living in China, you will notice fewer women working compared to the past, contrary to your assumptions, while if you live in Russia, you will notice big drop of women in the engineering profession, compared to the past. Or that fewer women are working, compared to the Soviet past.

    So things are not so simple and the system depends on where you live.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  257. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @Passer by

    I would add one last point that greater racial diversity can also drag down growth through voting behavior. Latinos especially like universal healthcare, which is estimated to cost $3 trillion per year. That’s a lot of new taxes that will stunt the economy. And of equal or greater importance to more Latinos to passing universal healthcare is the decline of white Christians. There are still considerable white Christian voters but the group is fast declining in number. Their shrinking numbers along with new Latino voters will pave the way for universal healthcare and a further factor in stagnation of GDP per capita by 2050.

  258. @Triteleia Laxa

    How much better would immigration restriction have sold if it had been seen, for the last few decades, as inimical to women’s comfort in the workplace? Rather than as the politics of people who think that the only place for women is locked up at home?

    I disagree with you on many things, but most of it boring and repetitive. I think the most interesting thing is your idea that you support progressive aims, but do not think that they need to demonstrate the malaise of progress measures.

    That seems really fantastical to me. The notion, for example, that women basically wanted these programs for economic independence and thus it would be possible to campaign against immigration by recruiting a female workforce as political supporters misses that originally, feminism had what would be seen as a conservative push for the “family wage” which as seen as having a large enough wage for the male breadwinners to support their families, with the women supporting it being mostly wives. So it was a pro-female force, but not necessarily in the way you would envision it.

    And of course, we know what happened to that, with female employment later sold as “empowerment” and “independence”, both memes which you seem to have bought into yourself. That’s fine, they may even be true: but what’s important is to note that is that there’s a convergent evolution toward the same kind of measures whenever generally progressive aims such as equity get sought for. Well, mostly it ends up in whatever creates more money, which is what can feed more politics, which then goes and advertises itself effectively.

    Ultimately, the same will be true of any effort that tries to suggest that its important to defend female work rights from immigrants, because in any generally progressive society, willingness to absorb immigration is likely to produce wealth for companies who can then externalize their costs to society, much like an employed female workforce produces profits that has costs which are externalized against society. What “women want” is only mildly relevant to this, since its unlikely that women will be an unified bloc against immigration.

    Again, convergent evolution. Its a strange and amusing thing that, for example, even wildly different evolutionary paths end up on using the same strategies: birds have intelligence and come from dinosaurs, yet the most intelligent birds have a neocortex just like primates and humans. Plants and animals are even further apart, but both have settled upon glutathione as a signaling component.

    I don’t think you can divorce progressive aims from progressive strategies, problems, and other errata. Besides according for various cultural and biological forces, you’ll basically get the same things everywhere.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  259. @inertial

    Why are you even on this site and reading Karlin.

    I would tag your comments as Troll but I dont post here enough. I literally logged in just to post cuz I got triggered.

    Its gonna be used to spy on rightoids

    If you’re cheering for things like “conservative” Fox News(LOL) and Freedom phones then you as a “rightist” or whatever it means already lost.

  260. @Passer by

    As Iofiel noted, and I was impying to Laxa in a previous conversation, Russia is indeed an excellent example of a modern country that wildly changed their notion of female employment, and accordingly status, though of course, she’s the typical whiny feminist:

    https://slate.com/human-interest/2010/07/real-housewives-of-moscow.html

    The problem for other Russian women is that with the image of the mother-comrade gone, these two images have replaced it: The corrupt businesswoman a la Baturina, or the lux dame who expresses her femininity by not working. Both are entirely reliant on their husbands’ support

    Notably it hasn’t really increased TFR. But at least life is more pleasant.

    And yes, China has had a steady and positive decline in female participation in politics:

    https://qz.com/1107385/china-female-politician-a-lone-female-sun-chunlan-sits-at-the-top-of-chinas-communist-party/

    In the Central Committee of the party, a decision-making body of over 200 members, women are also faring worse under Xi than in previous governments. There were 13 women in the Central Committee in 2007 during the reign of president Hu Jintao. That number just dropped to 10.

    Female politicians are typically placed in less important positions at lower levels, which means that their “CVs look much weaker than that of their male counterparts.”

    And of course, they tend to drop out or cease “career-gaining” effectively after motherhood, which I think Xi is increasingly expecting, so while it can sometimes pad a steady number of female Party members, they are kept where they’re probably most useful at a local level.

  261. @songbird

    Its hard to say, honestly. I think it’ll depend on the environment.

    If it is indeed basically a safe and essentially noncompetitive environment, then Laxa’s notion of both parents leaning toward caregiving and feminine traits is likely. There’s less reason for the “complementary unit” or maybe not for masculine traits, so reduced dimorphism is entirely logical.

    If it is not so, and competitiveness is emphasized, then you would probably have more dimorphic breeders, since much more effort must be mainlined toward both masculine traits for competitiveness and violence, and feminine traits toward caregiving. This is also added onto since in such a society, usually female dependency is increased and thus sexual selection is stronger with a lower male percentage of population(from violent deaths).

    Africans are actually pretty dimorphic despite having a lot of female independence in some areas: even with a lot of female economic independence is a norm, males compete heavily with polygyny being common. Since the male is not needed to nor is expected to assist with childcare, they are selected for their sexual traits.

    • Replies: @songbird
  262. songbird says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Well, I haven’t looked into the lit. But I would say so, going by facial pics, when you ignore their dress and the fact that their women have gone through more pregnancies/their men are more active. Might be due to founder effect, though.

    Rarely, I have seen women with very plain faces that I thought had beautiful bodies, so based on that, I would suppose that that there is a potential for divergence based on face or body. Though I assume a general linkage between most traits, including mental.

    You bring up a good point, that the sexes can move independently of each other. Though I believe it has always been towards a mean and never away, at least based on skeletons and long time scales.

  263. Coconuts says:

    A couple of links with another perspective on AK’s idea that CRT is a form of white supremacy:

    https://unherd.com/thepost/why-elite-parents-are-supporting-critical-race-theory/

    The above article references this longer blog post which is quite interesting:

    https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2021/07/09/send-them-back-your-fierce-defiance-stamp-upon-the-cursed-alliance/

    • Replies: @AP
  264. AP says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    birds have intelligence and come from dinosaurs, yet the most intelligent birds have a neocortex just like primates and humans

    Intelligent birds have converged with primates in intelligence but the mechanism is different, they do not have a neocortex like mammals do. In birds, the reptilian dorsal ventricular ridge evolved in complexity to function like the mammalian neocortex.

    It may be more efficient than the mammalian neocortex, but perhaps it has a ceiling.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  265. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Could there be some connection to testosterone levels and success as a breeder? If T levels are too low in men they have trouble having children and if they are too low in women they may fear the risks and burdens involved with having children.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  266. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I wonder whether work from home might influence things, assuming no collapse.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  267. AP says:
    @Coconuts

    CRT and wokeness are an elite instrument by liberal capitalists to divide and control the lower classes. A nice description of this process by this Indian Marxist:

    https://alexeiarora.substack.com/p/why-do-american-elites-love-wokeness

    • Thanks: Coconuts
  268. utu says:
    @Dmitry

    America has defaults set on “public squalor; private wealth” and “high risk; high reward”.

    This can seem almost opposite to a country such as Denmark, which has “public wealth, private modesty” and “low risk, low reward.

    This sounds as an accurate insight though AP objects and makes good argument which is seemingly against it. Can both be true?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dmitry
  269. @AP

    Well, close enough. Almost identical in function and very similar in construction:

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bird-brains-are-far-more-humanlike-than-once-thought/

    The researchers found that in both pigeons and barn owls, these brain regions are constructed much like our neocortex, with both layerlike and columnar organization—and with both horizontal and vertical circuitry. They confirmed the 3D-PLI findings using biocytin tracing, a technique for staining nerve cells.

    I had similar thoughts on its efficiency, it seems to have better thoroughput, but it doesn’t seem to suggest that it has quite the same type of “holographic integration” of primate brains, so you can get birds that learn in half a brain, rather than I suppose have the brain “show itself” the other half of what it is seeing, and then create whole brain learning.

  270. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Any politics that stands against this current, dooms itself to ever increasing marginalisation, because not even the most tradded up online teen wants to actually enforce the laws which would be required.

    They don’t at present but this kind of thing will probably be something to look out for in white Western populations some decades, maybe two, maybe three or four, down the line. Feminism seems to be one of those movements whose success will end up undermining its moral standing and the moral influence it can exert on men. It also looks like it may end up connected with appreciable decline, in numbers and in power, of the population groups that originally gave rise to it.

    I think for the short term at least women will continue to rise in power among Western Europeans, then this will go too far, the memory of serious patriarchy will be too far in the past, and some counter movement, elements of which can be seen in a raw early form in things like the Red Pill and Black Pill, will emerge.

    This may or may not, depending on the state of the West by that point, influence how women in other parts of the world make use of their growing economic freedom.

  271. @Coconuts

    Probably the most likely scenario for reversal is a major military defeat versus an unwoke nation. Women and other such individuals traditionally seen as weakening military efforts tend to get blamed, fairly or not.

    Good chance of that happening since liberal societies do often tend to get weaker in quality/efficiency, and general coherence & cooperation. Their greater economic prowess doesn’t always translate into effective deployment: I’ve actually seen and executed against this myself.

    Everyone loves the strong horse, etc.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  272. @AP

    I have just driven San Francisco – Denver. The devastation of opiate abuse and homelessness is evident the entire distance when you recognize it although San Francisco definitely has a near monopoly on junkies shooting up on the sidewalk in the middle of the day.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  273. @Daniel Chieh

    I agree with the article with regards to art. However, its bullshit with regards to technological innovation and business entrepreneurship.

  274. @Dmitry

    It’s just neurotic Internationalism that afflict Jews in large numbers and other ethnicies to a smaller extent (such as Karlin)

  275. @Daniel Chieh

    Do you get what I mean? Shirakami Fubuki was a big hit in China too, partly because of the white hair (until Hololive was discredited because of the whole Taiwan faux pas)

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  276. @songbird

    It might be better for raising children because you stay at home instead of commuting and you can have childcare in your daily schedule.

  277. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Svevlad

    It’s not a question of women should be allowed to work, it’s a question of why do women have to work, at least in the manner of today.

    It’s really a question of how much work women should do, and how much work they want to do. My impression (based purely on anecdotal evidence) is that most women want to work but that most would prefer to work shorter hours than they’re working at the moment.

    So the real problem is women being pressured (by both social and economic pressure) to work full-time when they’d prefer not to, and if they do work part-time being pressured to work longer hours than they really want to.

    And the pressure to work longer hours seems to be increasing.

    Of course it’s also possible that quite a few men would prefer to work shorter hours!

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  278. AP says:
    @utu

    Both can be true when one considers that America caters to the “winners” while ignoring the “losers.” Because America depends on the will of voters, most people can be classified as “winners” and are catered to, while marginals at the bottom are ignored. Note that “white privilege” ideology primarily serves the purpose of reducing sympathy for poor whites by middle and upper class whites, as the middle class and above expands through Asian immigration and the poorest of the whites are pushed down to that bottom 10% (or 20%).

    So public goods that winners use, such as national parks throughout the country, the highway system, beaches, the Smithsonian museums, etc. are great. Local and state parks are wonderful also. Public schools aren’t bad either, when looking at PISA by race Americans of European and Asian descent are well above averages for European and Asian countries. But they vary by school district, and quality depends on the type of people living in the district.

    Since most Americans own automobiles*, only the poorest “losers” must use public transportation. Accordingly, it is terrible in most places.

    In New York, the subways are awful. But the trains that take non-poor people to the suburbs are nice; Grant Central Station is beautiful.

    Dmitry came to the USA and lived like a “loser”, taking public buses everywhere IIRC. My guests were always in my car and they were impressed by the extensive highways kept in usually great condition, even in deep rural or wilderness areas. Same for public beaches and parks (both national and local) with well maintained trails, nature centers, etc.

    I am not defending the system that essentially just lets the bottom 10% rot (okay, come to think of it, could be as many as 20%). Adding even more poor people to the rat race down there is cruel. But the idea that in America only the rich live well, or that only private stuff is nice and most public things are squalid, is false.

    * America has 816 vehicles per 1,000 people, more than one for every adult. Canada has 685; Italy 663; Germany 574; France 480; UK 473..

  279. SafeNow says:

    The flood rescuers in Germany have a hard job. But if it’s any consolation, at least they are not being punched in the face by their rescue victims (I assume). During Hurricane Katrina, US Coast Guard rescuers were sometimes punched in the face by the people they were helping.

  280. @Daniel Chieh

    It was actually just Kiryu Coco (Who is quitting now for a backstage role) and Akai Haato (in hiatus atm) who were “offensive” (and what Kiryu Coco did was only opening up the Google Analytics page for her channel which showed Taiwan separately from China)

    This is why I never regard Vtubers highly – their minutes of fame are built on quicksand and their fanbases are practically cesspools that easily flare up whenever some perceived wrong is committed. A lot of energy that is channelled in wokeness in the West, is in Vtuber cults.

  281. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    I am not defending the system that essentially just lets the bottom 10% rot (okay, come to think of it, could be as many as 20%). Adding even more poor people to the rat race down there is cruel.

    I’d also add that the upper classes are no longer empathically communicating with less fortunate folk. And the latter in increasingly greater numbers do not see an opportunity for themselves and resort to impulsive, psychopathic crime. They greatly outnumber the more fortunate and are in fact a great threat.

  282. Mr. Hack says:
    @Morton's toes

    Tell us more about what you saw between San Francisco and Denver, in the small towns and countryside, the real stuff that is often hidden away from the casual observer…

  283. @Mr. Hack

    gas prices:

    bay area: 4.50/gal
    McCarron NV 3.50/gal
    Elko NV 4.00/gal
    Rock City WY 4.00/gal
    Fort Collins CO 3.50/gal

    The Anericans on the road include a bunch of fatties. There are a preponderance of 18 wheel rigs on the freeway. I counted them going the other way (out of a hundred) two times: 1 @ 32/100 and 1 at 39/100. There is no evidence of new military construction any where except west of Salt Lake City. I was expecting to see more of this than I saw. Every sizable city has at least one poor guy begging with a sign. But the most depressing thing was in the hotel breakfast room and the fat people at the next table eating and animatedly discussing their plan for lunch.

    Several of the rigs I saw were UPS and FedEx towing 3 trailers!

    There were no exotic aircraft flying around the experimental testing range that John Leer told Art Bell about. My hasty conclusion is he was making that shit up.

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mr. Hack
  284. @Daniel Chieh

    Wokeism is an ideology mostly pushed by the cultural establishment, which as a rule is replaced after losing a war, whether due to internal factors (e.g. WWI Germany & Russia) or imposition by the occupier (e.g. WWII Germany & Japan).

    In the US’s case (assuming the military leadership is inept enough, which I don’t think they are yet), it will be a break-up and then assertion of local, more conservative cultural interests.

    (can you see how diverse my interests and viewpoints are when you look at my Vtuber reply, then this?)

  285. @Yellowface Anon

    I can tell you are a man of culture as well.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  286. @Anatoly Karlin

    If he follows you, I doubt he’ll mention it

  287. Wency says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Overall, I think these are good points. US culture is able to appeal to much of the world, both because it’s already a simpler and more syncretic sort of culture, and because most of the world already at least somewhat relates to European-descended culture because it was colonized by Europe, and therefore European culture has been high-status for a long time.

    I continue to be of the view that quality of life will deteriorate pretty continuously in the US, but I don’t think the US state is going to implode (there are too many powerful interests that enjoy seeing it hold together and too few interested in implosion), and I think immigrants will be mostly incorporated into the US economy. Though I do envision a scenario where this fact allows budgets for the US military to continue to expand, even as morale and other factors decline interminably.

    In the long run, the world will be inherited by the breeders, and that change will transform societies the world over. But 21st-century China vs. US is ultimately just a competition between decadent low-TFR empires — Byzantium vs. Persia, if you will. Neither one can truly dominate the other, unless it can break out of that mold (or its adversary collapses).

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  288. @dfordoom

    That post sparked some interest. There’s this from a 2005 Australian study

    View post on imgur.com

  289. AP says:
    @Morton's toes

    Every sizable city has at least one poor guy begging with a sign

    This has become fashionable; people have figured out that it’s an effective way to make money because naive well-meaning people will provide money. So now almost every busy intersection has a sign holder, even in wealthy areas. Some sign holders own automobiles; mostly though they are addicts, it’s a free way to get high, and not as bad as stealing.

  290. AaronB says:
    @AP

    In New York, the wealthy upper classes use the subway and the subway is awful. Quite hilariously awful, actually. It’s funny that all these attractive, refined, wealthy people have to daily use such an awful, decrepit rat infested system, while in many third world countries the subways are fantastic.

    It’s incorrect that the wealthy merely commute from the suburbs to the city. Seriously incorrect. Obviously many extremely wealthy people live in the city, and even those who commute from the suburbs use the subway extensively.

    That being said, Dmitry is crazy when he says the “average” person lives “horribly”, the suburbs are supremely beautiful if soulless, but more money can be spent on public services.

    • Agree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  291. @Yellowface Anon

    The real danger:

    If you look at the pettiness of Western liberals and the tribalism of their imported allies/thugs, there might the core threat that a limited engagement gets blown up into a full scale war (including potential nuclear exchange) because of pettiness/lack of impulse-control.

    For years we have seen road-rage incidents in Syria where a convoy of Russian Tigr/BTR-82 got into a scuffle with US MRAPs.

    What happens if West Point-grad Lt. Shaniqua/Cpt Jenny (formerly Jimmy) orders open fire. This would force the local Russian commander / Russian goverment to do something. Like a hitting a rebel camp next door to the US outpost.

    What then? F-35 v Su-57 the next day over Nowherestan? Two weeks later ICBM starting to leave the silos?

    Nuclear armageddon because aa-candidate Shaniqua loses her temper.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @utu
  292. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Another German Reader

    What then? F-35 v Su-57 the next day over Nowherestan? Two weeks later ICBM starting to leave the silos?

    Nuclear armageddon because aa-candidate Shaniqua loses her temper.

    I agree with what you’ve said but I don’t think it’s necessarily going to be an American aa-candidate losing his/her temper (although it could be). It may well be a white Woke True Believer American officer, who really genuinely believes that the Russians (and the Chinese) are evil fascists.

    Poor impulse control combined with political zeal is now a characteristic of everyone in the West.

    The one thing that is certain is that when WW3 starts it will be the Americans who start it. During the Cold War I thought the chances of WW3 starting were very very low. Today I think the chances are quite high.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @utu
  293. @dfordoom

    Poor impulse control combined with political zeal is now a characteristic of everyone in the West.

    I don’t know if it should be properly called poor impulse control; its more a kind of decentralization issue where the USG has departments that do not communicate with each other and are increasingly willing to garble instructions.

    Its likely that USG will make a provocative move someday which gets retaliated against, and thus then uses that as the casus belli. Alternatively, and possibly more likely, it can use that as the casus belli, but the decay would be so advanced then that some plausible excuse is found to avoid escalation and concessions are made, so that an actual military defeat(a total disaster) can be avoided, while concessions,etc can be seen as diplomatic.

    Old trees rot from within, eaten out by beetles and weakened by disease; they crack and rot alive slowly before they tumble.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @dfordoom
  294. Mr. Hack says:
    @AaronB

    Here in Phoenix (5th largest metropolitan area in the US), we have established a relatively new light rail system that is growing all of the time. It’s currently about 26 miles long and growing all of the time. I once took it out of curiosity to the downtown area to see a basketball game on a Friday night. The ride was fine and offers a good scenic and inexpensive way to get around. The trouble is that the Phoenix area is much larger that a 26 mile area, and it’s very expensive and messy to build more track.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Mikhail
    , @Philip Owen
  295. Mr. Hack says:
    @Morton's toes

    Were the “fatties” operating all of the rigs too? One panhandler per town is nothing…I’m sure that I’ll run into 3-4 on the way to work today. No secret meth labs in the woods behind the trees? 🙂

    “Behind the Gardens, Behind the Wall, Under the Trees”

    • Replies: @Morton's toes
  296. AaronB says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Part of the problem with the NY subway is that it’s over 100 years old, so it’s bound to get decrepit.

    By contrast, Bangkok’s system was built by a German company about 15 years ago, so you can imagine it will be in much better shape.

    I think it’s called “legacy infrastructure” or something, when the richer and more advanced country can have inferior infrastructure because they developed earlier and their stock is so old.

    Still, though, London has an equally old subway and theirs is much nicer than NY, so it’s clearly something about our priorities.

    That being said, the NY subway has many things going for it – it’s $2.75 per ride, no matter how far you wish to go. By contrast, going a short distance in London can set you back $15 – I was shocked at how expensive the London subway was even for short distances. In addition, the NY subway is open 24 hours and you can get literally everywhere on it with ease.

    I’m sure Phoenix has a very nice system that passes through some lovely desert scenery. Would love to take it sometime. Taipei has a lovely subway system that passes along these beautiful jungle clad mountain slopes that was very nice.

    As for it being expensive to extend the Phoenix system, American cities built for automobiles are more sprawling, so it will be less cost effective to build a subway. Still I can’t help but feel if the desire was there the money would be found. I think it will eventually happen.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Abelard Lindsey
  297. @Mr. Hack

    OK you and AP have good points. I saw no Vandals or Goths or buildings falling down. All the stoplights were functioning. There were many road construction crews and men at work orange signs.

    We have always had end of the world cult debates in every time since the Renaissance and I suppose the thing to do is carry on and plan on the current dramas passing without the big one. For that matter does anybody even really care if China pulls ahead in some column on an econometric table?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  298. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Lol, China and the US are only “adversaries” on paper and so that fools like dfordoom get a chance to play the classic Anglo-Saxon game of rooting for the Other while despising your own culture, that Orwell noted in the 30s.

    Chinese and American elites are working towards symbiosis, and towards importing Chinese levels of surveillance, control, and capitalism.

    It’s scientific, and more efficient.

    Unfortunately, the next stage in human development is away from the “control” model and towards reunification with nature 🙂

    • Troll: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  299. Mr. Hack says:
    @Morton's toes

    I basically agree with you, however, try to fashion my spiritual life as if “the big one” is just around the corner. As you get older, and more and more of your friends and family depart this world, you’ll begin to realize that the “big one” really is around the corner…it’s all a matter of perspective!

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  300. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Daniel Chieh

    I don’t know if it should be properly called poor impulse control; its more a kind of decentralization issue where the USG has departments that do not communicate with each other and are increasingly willing to garble instructions.

    True. But there is among modern Woke/PC liberals a very worrying degree of fanaticism. And there’s that perennial tendency of Americans to view foreign policy in terms of moral crusades.

    Its likely that USG will make a provocative move someday which gets retaliated against, and thus then uses that as the casus belli. Alternatively, and possibly more likely, it can use that as the casus belli, but the decay would be so advanced then that some plausible excuse is found to avoid escalation and concessions are made, so that an actual military defeat(a total disaster) can be avoided, while concessions,etc can be seen as diplomatic.

    Again I agree, but one thing that 1914 taught us is that it’s very difficult to de-escalate. And in 1914 there wasn’t the problem of political fanaticism. The statesmen of 1914 were rash and foolish but they weren’t crazed moral crusaders. As the war progressed it became something of a moral crusade but the statesmen who blundered into the war were not moral crusaders.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  301. @Coconuts

    Wouldn’t you need extremely low T to be infertile as a man?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  302. @Triteleia Laxa

    No, iirc low test, as in liable to cause erectile dysfunction happens at >350 or so, and the average male level is dropping worrying close to it.

    https://www.healio.com/~/media/images/news/print/endocrine-today/2007/02_february/testosterone_344_273_23983.gif?

    https://www.healio.com/news/endocrinology/20120325/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed

    As it indicates that it is not due to health reasons, I highly suspect the overall social environment has much to do with it.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  303. @dfordoom

    True. But there is among modern Woke/PC liberals a very worrying degree of fanaticism. And there’s that perennial tendency of Americans to view foreign policy in terms of moral crusades.

    SJW fanatics haven’t kept the US in Afghanistan, no matter how many aspiring “female doctor” gets whipped back into place. Its more of a religious justification for the military complex which allows is to extract wealth from the larger economy.

    Its entirely possible that runaway escalation can take place, but I think a lot of credit should be given to the power of vested interests, including the so-called “moral crusaders” who largely are probably trying to find a way to monetize or boost their status. I suppose its entirely possible that they end up externalizing their costs of war to the entire nation.

  304. @Daniel Chieh

    This is a complex topic, so I might get a bit lost. I am mostly just going to summarise what I thought I understood that was important in your comment and not answer those points yet; better for me to clarify first.

    One question you seem to be asking me is, if workplace equality and female economic independence were close to irresistible, why would mass immigration not be the same?

    You also seem to add in a suggestion that the underlying motivations for workplace equality might have been equally well-served by a “family wage” provision.

    Also, you seem to imply that “accept one part of progressivism, accept all.” I appreciate your points about convergent evolution, but I still think it boils down to this perhaps reductionist statement.

    Finally, I’m confused on your distinction between “progressive aims” and “progressive methods.” I can’t work out exactly what you mean by each term. I would say political aims, if people are honest, unideological and not trying to argue for advantage, are always some reasonable effort towards more freedom, more tolerance, more security and more space for people to develop. Maybe you think these are “progressive aims” not human ones?

    I’d say “progressive methods” are the myriad policies by which they seek to achieve these “aims”. Some have been effective, and some have been completely counter-productive, but humans will never perfectly align their methods to their aims. Most can barely remember what their aims are, often getting wedded to their methods instead. What are your aims for politics?

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  305. @Daniel Chieh

    Thank you, that probably answers my point, though I suspect that “social environment” is a standin, in this case, for “obesity” and “zero exercise.”

    Does fertility associated with low T get fixed by T supplementation? Or are they merely correlates downstream of other health issues?

    Also, why is T such an obnoxious word to spell?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  306. @Triteleia Laxa

    No, the article mentioned explicitly that it is not fully accounted for by obesity. Exercise isn’t indicated, but I would assume is correlated with obesity. IMO feminism is the cause, and possibly just lower violence as a whole.

    Fertility is never fixed by T supplementation; it is worsened by it due to extraneous testosterone breaking signaling mechanisms in the body.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  307. utu says:
    @Another German Reader

    For the “road-rage incidents” I would blame yahoos on both sides. Or you could just say that boys will be boys even when they are girls. Your reasoning could be inverted and argued that some repressed frustrated homo in Russian uniform because he is unable to express his true identity may open fire first.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  308. utu says:
    @dfordoom

    “Poor impulse control combined with political zeal is now a characteristic of everyone in the West.” – Does it include you or you have made aliyah to China already?

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
  309. @AaronB

    This doesn’t preclude globalist interests playing with both camps to weaken national power, which is basically WWII (tho already present in the Napoleonic Wars)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  310. @Daniel Chieh

    Fertility is never fixed by T supplementation; it is worsened by it due to extraneous testosterone breaking signaling mechanisms in the body.

    Ok, that complicates it a bit, but doesn’t it still mean that we can’t say that lowered T would cause infertility? This only matters for my original point, which was that AK’s breeders would be all round more feminine. Assuming being more feminine and loving and wanting lots of children are seen as closely related.

    IMO feminism is the cause

    If the nail is feminism, what is the hammer called?

    • Replies: @sher singh
  311. songbird says:

    Should Russia ban saunas because of their negative effect on sperm production?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  312. @songbird

    This should be brought up to the low-T vor v zakone.

    • Replies: @songbird
  313. AaronB says:

    What caused the obesity epidemic?

    In my opinion, I’m convinced it’s origins lie in American culture.

    The American attitude to food is very peculiar, and has two unique strands, puritanism and scientism.

    To take scientism first, in America we do not trust our bodies to tell us what to eat and how much to eat. No, only science can tell us what and how much to eat.

    This is part of the much larger and general “war on nature” in America. In our attitude to food, our natural appetites are “bad” and only by “self-discipline” can you stay thin and healthy. You must control your natural appetites.

    Evidently, “self-discipline” in America has failed abjectly.

    How different is the Japanese, or the French attitude to food!

    There, the focus is on pleasure, and not fighting ones nature. Instead of discipline, one works with the natural appetites.

    And everyone is thin – miraculously!

    Another aspect of American culture that leads to obesity is the attitude of constant competition and the anxiety it breeds.

    It has been said that obese people are subconsciously trying to clad themselves in “armor” against a hostile world. I find this quite plausible.

    What seems obvious, is that obesity is am attempt to “fill a hole”. The American way of life is to be disconnected from nature and the larger world of Being, which quite naturally creates a feeling of existential emptiness. One of the easiest ways to fill this whole is through food. Food offers “security” and “comfort”.

    The elites are less affected than the lower classes because they can fill their existential hole by acquiring ever more wealth – the poor become physically bigger, the only thing they can do, the rich become “bigger” through more money.

    One thing is for sure – this is a “holistic” problem that can only be fixed by a total transformation of American culture, because each piece is connected to everything else. The days when the naive faith was still possible to us that you can “fix” one element of a complex system and completely “control” it, without regard to how it connects to the whole, are over.

    • Replies: @angmoh
    , @RadicalCenter
  314. @AP

    America depends on the will of voters

    If you believe that after widespread fraud in 2020 presidential elections, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Relevant joke: after learning that his in-laws voted for Biden, the guy was so annoyed that he stopped visiting their graves.

    • Replies: @AP
  315. @Triteleia Laxa

    Maybe you think these are “progressive aims” not human ones?

    Increases in individual autonomy and reduction of unchosen obligations are basically progressive aims, so yes. My opinion is a continual inclination for that eventually will bring about all of the other burdens of progressivism, once you’ve made the individual a paramount unit and individual choice a paramount morality. It is useful to see this less as individual polities but more as a trend, a fluid downflow as in a river by embracing that trend of individualism, which inevitably passes all of the crossings of anomie, creating variations of self-identification, promotion of selfishness and pride as virtues, and ever profitting from selling to ego while externalizing costs and harms to society as a whole.

    This isn’t even that strange, its basically just a variation of tragedy of the commons: externalizing costs to the common source, while trying to maximize the self. Progressivism just makes this into a moral, positive good as well.

    If the nail is feminism, what is the hammer called?

    Anomie.

    Most can barely remember what their aims are, often getting wedded to their methods instead. What are your aims for politics?

    All I have ever wanted to see is beauty.

    This world ain’t doing it.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  316. Dmitry says:
    @utu

    Because I used hyperbolic words “dystopian” and “horror” in a childish way, and this has justifiably caused AP and AaronB to contemplate about absolute instead of relative comparisons. But for discussing a country’s voluntary choices or prioritization, then we should try to account for income levels – i.e. compare America to countries of similar income levels.

    In absolute terms, the working class people in the USA of course must likely have a better overall standard of living according to most indicators, than working class people in middle income countries (Russia/Ukraine/Belarus, Mexico, Brazil, China, etc), let alone than in low income countries (India, Africa, etc).

    But America is one of the highest income countries anywhere in the world, and the countries with comparable income level to the USA are “hyper-developed” countries like Norway, Netherlands, Denmark, Singapore, Switzerland, Sweden.

    So, relative to the working people of Norway, Netherlands, and Denmark, to describe American life using words of “dystopian” and “horror” might still sound hyperbolic, but a bit less so.

    In his response to my comment, AP also focuses on the national parks of the United States, which is an example where late 19th and 20th century America really prioritized investment in a public space, and was an inheritance of romanticism about the landscape which had been a passion of American culture and national identity in the country’s adolescent years in the 19th century.

    But for tourists or outside observer, seeing how much was publicly invested in the national parks, can highlight to them how unusual this decision is for most other areas in America by comparison to other comparably wealthy countries.

    It could make the visitor think about the wealthy pinchfist, who after a successful business career, converts into uncompromizing extravagance when spending on some passions that remind him of his childhood (perhaps like building a beautiful model trainway in his garden).

    • Agree: utu
  317. @Coconuts

    My theory of the death of formerly useful political identities is that they die once they become a prison in which their constituent demographic ends up trapped.

    This leads to the demographic supporting things which betray their deeper interests and the whole identity is ripped up and forgotten about in short order after that. It then gets replaced by something more suitable, though demographics may get jumbled up.

    Western feminism is touching on many of those contradictions now. The trans measuring of womanhood as how many traditionally feminine interests and qualities you possess, is one such trap.

    The counting of female CEOs is another, as it is an extremely limiting view of what constitutes human happiness, and tying women to it, is to tie women with chains. No woman, or person even, wants to be seen as a failure, in her core identity, because she isn’t a corporate drone killing herself to get to the C Suite.

    Women also don’t only care about themselves, so feminism has been far from always dominant, but the more feminism goes past looking to achieve greater security, freedom and tolerance for individual women, the more it will likely be counterproductive to those aims, and the shorter its time in the world will be.

    What is a feminism which makes women feel diminished?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Coconuts
  318. AaronB says:
    @utu

    Dfordoom’s obsequiousness to China and excoriation of Britain and the Anglosphere in general is a classic example of the British elites “leapfrogging” loyalties Orwell noted in the 30s.

    His whole persona, of being eminently “sensible” and “down to earth”, while actually being deeply ideological, is cut from the same cloth.

    If you’ve had any experience interacting with British people you will be able to spot the “type” immediately 🙂

    It’s extremely, extremely, British. It’s actually kinda charming once you get used to it 🙂

    • Agree: utu
  319. @Triteleia Laxa

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180202082106/https://reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/10/19/the-common-root-of-all-modern-political-discourse/

    Think of feminism as putting all women in a common state-backed harem.
    Of course, this assumes that there is always ownership over women & politics merely the transfer.

    Of course, being a white woman you’ll scream this isn’t true as you’re looking for a strong owner||

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  320. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The primary “fraud” of the election was near-total media control by the Democratic-Corporate alliance, that enabled the manufacture of hatred toward Trump sufficient for Biden to win the vote. Will can and was created, but it still operated.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @A123
  321. AaronB says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    That is a good point.

    Still, if the point is to converge the American standard to the Chinese, it may make sense as part of a global agenda to promote Chinese nationalism (convince the exploited Chinese masses their situation is ideal), while lessening the self confidence and sense of entitlement to a high standard of living of the American worker.

    So different strategies would be appropriate for different global sectors.

    So a war between China and the US I can’t see happening. But the threat of a war may well be used to import Chinese methods to the US.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  322. AaronB says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Don’t all “liberation” movements end up becoming oppressive?

    It’s classic.

    The Left today is becoming just like the fascist Right it fought years before. That is how the Left will meet its demise – and none too soon.

    You become what you fight.

    The problem is – “you can’t use the masters tools to dismantle the masters house”.

    If you use force to fight force, you will end up resembling the force you fought.

    A new “frame” from which to see these things must be developed.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  323. @AP

    I poasted a pic to confirm truth of my words.

    But Triteleia really manipulated you well. That must burn 🙂

    LOL. Whenever someone goes ‘you go first’ it becomes obvious they won’t do it (because they have nothing to present – because if they did they would have poasted without trying to turn it over to the other person).

    The reason I did it was two fold
    1. To humiliate Triteleia – because by not poasting he merely shows like he talks a big game but has nothing to show for it.

    2. To prove what I say is true.

    So no. Triteleia is just trying to cope with the fact that he doesn’t get laid. lol

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  324. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Mr. Hack

    Suns lose tonight? Are the Coyotes eventually moving?

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  325. @Triteleia Laxa

    I am not boasting of anything. I am just saying that greater economic development leads to greater economic independence for women.

    There is no relation between ‘greater economic development’ and breakdown of traditional gender roles.

    One does not preclude the other. It just so happens that with greater economic development you also get more propaganda to get women into the workforce (in capitalism – to increase the labor pool and reduce wages; in communism – to garner maximal public support).

    So again, it has everything to do with propaganda.

    And as we both know – you don’t get women, so you don’t know their nature and how easily manipulated they can be.

    Any politics that stands against this current, dooms itself to ever increasing marginalisation, because not even the most tradded up online teen wants to actually enforce the laws which would be required.

    Which is why these politics must not be blatant. And why I said it needs to be in the form of media.

    Feminism used to be an entirely marginal position – and women in the 50’s in America would rightfully ask, “Why would I want to go and work and lose the great deal I currently have?”, but then there was a concerted effort of the CIA together with corporate donors to run a propaganda campaign that resulted in the Sexual Revolution of the 60’s.

    • LOL: sher singh
  326. @Wency

    US culture is able to appeal to much of the world

    US culture appeals for two reasons

    1. Because US has been dominant for so long and has had long to develop its soft power

    2. Because of a ‘perception’ of US being wealthy and ‘cool’. And as we know perception = reality. For example, one could make a case that South Korea makes cooler movies/music. But watching/listening to it is not mainstream (yet). But this is changing with the growing popularity of BTS.

    China hasn’t had long to develop its media and its not viewed as ‘cool’ because of propaganda to the contrary – but if you actually watch Chinese movies and shows – many of them are well made and ‘cool’.

    Ultimately – the predominance of US culture is about perceived status – people think that associating with it gives them higher status.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  327. songbird says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Maybe, the thing to do would be to hush the research up, while subsidizing public saunas in Chechnya.

  328. @AP

    Apparently, thousands of dead people voted for Biden under influence of MSM. Not to mention vote harvesting. The numbers show that Biden got more votes than Hillary or Obama exclusively in big cities in swing states, where vote harvesting was widespread and Republican observers were booted out of precincts. In the cities where voting fraud was observed earlier and where some former election officials are in jail for it.

    He got fewer votes than those two everywhere else, from crazy blue San Francisco to crazy red rural Tennessee. Very impressive “victory”, Mugabe-style.

    • Replies: @AP
  329. Dmitry says:
    @Svevlad

    How high you can adjust either or both of the two settings, will be limited by the size of your bank account.

    Although if you just need to make a good impression, there are some “force multipliers” for those of us with the more limited budget.

    One of the things they teach in the introduction course “How to be a postsoviet leader” is that you should heap a lot of your public wealth onto the places that naïve foreigners and important people will see it. Hide your underinvestment and asset stripping of the public spaces, in the parts of the country where only the local people will ever live or visit, like you’re going to the zoom meeting with a suit jacket, expensive shirt, tie and pajama bottoms.

  330. @Xi-jinping

    How do you want your marriage to be?

    So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security. You have also made clear that you don’t want any space for your emotions, but that it should be about hers all of the time.

    This sounds extremely bleak. It is a picture constructed of big red flags for abuse.

    If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Xi-jinping
  331. A123 says:
    @AP

    AnonFromTN:
    If you believe that after widespread fraud in 2020 presidential elections, I have a bridge to sell you.

    Relevant joke: after learning that his in-laws voted for Biden, the guy was so annoyed that he stopped visiting their graves.

    AP:
    The primary “fraud” of the election was near-total media control by the Democratic-Corporate alliance, that enabled the manufacture of hatred toward Trump sufficient for Biden to win the vote. Will can and was created, but it still operated.

    With all due respect, you have both misprioritized.

    The largest “fraud” was judicial collaboration with the Harris/Biden Blue Coup.

    Media corruption made it closer than it should have been. Even WaPo is admitting this (1). Outright ballot fabrication flipped states that had been made unnaturally close.

    However, both of these problems could have been overcome if the courts had looked at the evidence. As we see from Georgia and Arizona election audits these states were stolen. If the judiciary had been open to facts, Biden & Harris would never have been sworn in.

    The problems will just get worse as time goes by. Not-The-President Biden cannot properly exercise Executive Authority. He can not appoint judges. Everything he signs as an Executive Order is inherently void. By ducking the issue, the courts have laid the ground work for a future Constitutional Crisis.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.unz.com/isteve/polls-screwed-up-historically-in-2020/

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  332. @AaronB

    Yes, identities which form to allow people to organise and engage with the world eventually become a trap.

    I think this how Gilad Atzmon perceives Zionism, how white liberals perceive “whiteness”, how Glenn Loury perceives a lot of “black culture”, how some gays are starting to perceive LGBTQ+, and so on.

    Today’s hateful, bigoted movements were yesterday’s progressive liberations.

    The problem isn’t the process of moving on. The problem is the process of labelling everything good or bad. US black culture had a point and a purpose. Its conformism, sense of living in the moment and avoiding responsibility, fit the lives of an oppressed and embattled minority that had to stick together. Now it just keeps them feeling embattled and oppressed.

    I can easily imagine that a lot of black people are thinking “hang on, I want to be more than that.”

    The difficulty is that, if the cost of moving on is having to label everything that was a comfort in the hard past as bad, and evil, then most people can’t pay that cost, so they stay stuck.

    You can love both “black culture” and see that you no longer need to limt yourself by it.

    Moral judgements fix things in time. They are anathema to adaptation.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @AaronB
    , @dfordoom
  333. @Xi-jinping

    I’ll bite, do you carry weapons?

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  334. @Daniel Chieh

    Oh… well that is interesting. In that case, the time honored tradition of the internet (that bodybuilding forums and 4chan popularized) applies, she should post tits or gtfo.

  335. @Daniel Chieh

    Increases in individual autonomy and reduction of unchosen obligations are basically progressive aims, so yes. My opinion is a continual inclination for that eventually will bring about all of the other burdens of progressivism, once you’ve made the individual a paramount unit and individual choice a paramount morality. It is useful to see this less as individual polities but more as a trend, a fluid downflow as in a river by embracing that trend of individualism, which inevitably passes all of the crossings of anomie, creating variations of self-identification, promotion of selfishness and pride as virtues, and ever profitting from selling to ego while externalizing costs and harms to society as a whole.

    The river needs to flow from its mountain reservoir in order to meet the ocean.

    Economic development has multiplied peoples’ positive freedoms. This has allowed them to question and leave behind many of the previous social structures that were necessary for their lives.

    They are now in the process of trying to form new ones, from a position of freedom, which will better fit who they are and their circumstances.

    They do a lot of this blindly, often stumbling around like vandals, arsonists and lunatics, but the meandering flow will eventually reach something that better approximates what they want than that which came before.

    It is hard compete with a thousand years of tradition, in a few decades, but it is easy to do it in a few centuries, with the gift of far more resources and therefore far fewer restrictions.

    Trying to stop the flow, just leads to the dam building up and even quicker change when it bursts. See the Meiji restoration in Japan, South Korea or Spain in the last few decades, Quebec with the fall of the Catholic Church, and Ireland.

    You like restrictions for creativity and making beauty, but try telling an artist that she will be better off using medieval paints than modern ones. It is a fun gimmick and a niche form of social performance, but it is a losing political platform.

    If you want to reduce anomie, obviously build on what we have now, as radicalism is hubris, but don’t totally forgo the chance to utilise our greater freedoms and better resources to achieve that aim; and the greatest resource is that people are freer, more tolerated and more secure.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Coconuts
  336. @Xi-jinping

    Power structures.

    Red Cliff is better than anything Hollywood put out since 90s however, US media is more ‘relatable’
    Meaning, you are more likely to impress your local powerbrokers by knowing US film.

    You tend to take info/knowledge above raw power; 1000 bed notches don’t count if a man rapes you.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  337. @Triteleia Laxa

    Economic development has multiplied peoples’ positive freedoms. This has allowed them to question and leave behind many of the previous social structures that were necessary for their lives.

    Cancer can multiple the freedom of cells in a body. They discover new possibilities that they have never realized before.

    The river needs to flow from its mountain reservoir in order to meet the ocean.

    Water will find its level, but it does not mean that it always flow the same way.

    It is a fun gimmick and a niche form of social performance, but it is a losing political platform.

    What is a “losing political platform” can nonetheless end up being ineffective in other levels that make it nonfunctional. Athenians once tried to elect their officers in the military: it worked about as poorly then, as it would work now.

    If you want to reduce anomie, obviously build on what we have now, as radicalism is hubris, but don’t totally forgo the chance to utilise our greater freedoms and better resources to achieve that aim; and the greatest resource is that people are freer, more tolerated and more secure.

    That is your terminal good. It is not to be thought as an universal good.

    Your fundamental error is that you believe that individuals are some sort of entities with free will and unlimited thirst for this thing called “freedom,” and furthermore, unlimited fulfillment of this desire is positive. That is incorrect: it is positive as unlimited consumption of food, sugar, drugs, or any other excess that our brains have often primed for us to seek because they were once rare, but it does not indicate that it is not ultimately harmful.

    With greater sources of energy, comes with it greater opportunities for surveillance and consensus building as well. You talk of “evolution” and “progress” and “freedom”, but you are a complex organism that has come to be because of the sacrifice of freedom of your individual cells into a single coherent whole, created through basically forced interdependency and policed heavily by an immune system that attacks anything different.

    As the saying goes,

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  338. @sher singh

    You are partially right i think. That’s a good point. But, we should ask ‘why is US media more relatable’? That mainly goes back to my first point about US dominating for so long, having longer to develop its soft power and instituting puppet governments everywhere.

    • Agree: sher singh
  339. AaronB says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Yes, absolute moral judgements should be replaced by greater nuance and recognition of context. All the great wisdom traditions and mystics warn against dividing the world into simplistic, timeless categories of black and white.

    Labels – all words, really – can be immensely helpful but carry the risk of becoming traps. They are as limiting as they are liberating.

    Much of the “hell” humans have made of life is simply mistaking words and labels for realities.

    One thing that makes traditional East Asian cultures so much healthier than ours is that they don’t take the social script too seriously. They understand if you take social conventions too seriously you go insane.

    So on the surface, they are very prim and proper, with lots of social rules – but there is a time and place to escape that lest it gets too stifling. In Japan you can go drinking with your boss and act like an idiot and you won’t get fired. In the US, you would get fired, because we completely identify who we are with our social role.

    Likewise, in Asia family values are publicly extolled, but homosexuals and transvestites are completely tolerated. Gays and trannies in the US feel compelled to elevate their lifestyles as superior – not just tolerated – because they come from a society that says you are your social role. So who can bear to feel who they “are” is bad?

    This relates also to why Japan is so profuse in eccentrics – it’s because of their rigid social rules, not despite them. The conventions create a feeling of safety beneath which individuality can flourish. England, the country in Europe with the most elaborate social rules, was also famous precisely for it’s profusion of eccentrics.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
  340. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    According to the great philosopher Spinoza, every being wants to persevere in what it is – happiness, then, comes from being what you are.

    To be what you are, you need freedom. Misery comes from all the ways society stops us from being who we naturally are, and presses us into agendas that violate our nature.

    The problem is, that people also highly desire safety and security. People operating out of a fear-mentality try to restrict everyone else’s freedom as well as their own. Without trying to be offensive, it seems obvious you are someone motivated primarily by fear.

    This is not a condemnation of you. If you accept modern Western metaphysics, that we are completely separate from nature and all Being, encapsulated in our skin, (flesh bags or wetware did you call it?) then fear is the appropriate response.

    So it is the condemnation of a civilization, and not an individual. We are all victims.

    But when people feel safe and secure, they are naturally desirous of the freedom to be their true, natural selves.

    The Left often mistakes freedom as the freedom to be what you wish (or think you wish) – but true freedom is the freedom to be what one is.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  341. @Triteleia Laxa

    Stop hating on dude for having game, Donate to Karlin if you want his digits.

    His approach is probably better than breaking rules n shit in public to get girls.

    I don’t have the emotional depth or patience to do the muh game way though||

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    • Thanks: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  342. @AaronB

    The Left often mistakes freedom as the freedom to be what you wish (or think you wish) – but true freedom is the freedom to be what one is.

    Any moment now I’m happy to show you to your freedom to immantize your destiny as a sugarcane worker.

    Your theory of mind fails on me once again. I’ve stated my underlying principles many times, enough for you to infer.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AaronB
  343. @Daniel Chieh

    I actually have to say, these little exchanges where you go on a long ramble and I respond to it with a sharp cutting remark actually are starting to grow on me. Its become so common as to be a kind of tradition.

    So, thank you, AaronB.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  344. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Daniel, you have said in the past things like, primitivism makes no sense as more technologically advanced societies will wipe them out, and you’ve outlined some horrific vision where some alien superintelligences subject “losers” in a battle to infinite torture, commenting it is imperative on us not to “lose”.

    So, you are primarily preoccupied with danger and risk, and your mode of life seems designed around mitigating risk. Your desire for transhumanism seems like a desire to ultimately eliminate risk from life.

    So that’s your dominant frame; fear, anxiety, and it’s mitigation. This is why you are very preoccupied with “control”. Risk mitigation requires ever increasing amounts of “control”.

    I think this is understandable from a Chinese person after China’s experience in the 19th and 20th centuries, but no human – no culture – can remain trapped in a fear mentality forever. At a certain point one must gird ones loins and face life with courage. You have caught the Western disease, along with it’s metaphysics. Perhaps it is a disease that must rip through the entire world before humanity can get healthy again.

    Did you ever ask yourself – what would I want most if I already had total and complete security?

    Granted, primitivism may be a losing strategy in a risky world. But would it be a fulfilling way to live in a world where it wasn’t a risk?

    So you become a transhumanist and death and pain are banished, and technology creates a world of total convenience – how then would you really want to live? What happens after there is no fear any longer?

    Putting fear aside for a moment – what’s your vision of the Good Life? I have not yet heard how you would want to live, I have only heard about your desire to eliminate fear and risk.

    Have you given thought to what the Good Life might be, or do you think it’s silly to indulge such fantasies when we live in a world of such terrible danger and risk?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  345. Is this anything to care about?

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Boomthorkell
  346. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Lol, you’re most welcome 🙂

    Yes, I have noticed it has become a reliable pattern. A Karlin blog tradition.

  347. @Triteleia Laxa

    How do you want your marriage to be?

    I would only do any form of marriage with a virgin. As women who have had extra martial sex are no longer capable of pair bonding.

    So far you have asserted that you want to control her economic security.

    LOL. Having a loving husband bring and hand over his paycheck to the wife (as was the case in the USSR) is ‘evul male controlling her economic security’…

    Most men are incredibly malleable to a womans whims because of the magical thing that women carry between their legs.

    abuse

    Yes I agree. Women are far more prone to emotionally abuse men and there is little recourse to the authorities as it is hard to prove. Another reason why I do not recommend marriage unless it is towards a virgin.

    If women are so easy to manipulate then why have I gotten such a nightmarish view of what it is you want?

    Because you are 1) American (or from the West) and brainwashed by feminist propaganda 2) because you are emotionally broken 3) because you are a man hater (likely due to guys you liked either not paying attention to you or breaking up with you).

  348. @sher singh

    Where I currently reside does not allow carrying/owning of firearms.

    I see no point in carrying knives as stabbing someone would land me in more trouble than beating the shit out of them. Which is why I used to do boxing and now do Greco-Roman Wrestling (I do not think that BJJ is practical in a street fight as you are more likely to encounter multiple assailants than a single one).

    Why do you ask?

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @sher singh
  349. @sher singh

    Women in general hate on guys who speak openly of Game, as it bypasses their ‘mate selection mechanisms’. Doesn’t mean that they cease to be susceptible to it.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  350. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mikhail

    They play tomorrow night and with a couple of adjustments will play like in games 1 & 2. Burrowing up the middle against 7 foot musclemen is a stupid strategy. Shooting 3 pointers on the perimeter will bring them back to life! They have plenty of young sharpshooters itching to get the ball. Don’t know why the Coyotes would move one way or the other?

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  351. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Trying to stop the flow, just leads to the dam building up and even quicker change when it bursts. See the Meiji restoration in Japan, South Korea or Spain in the last few decades, Quebec with the fall of the Catholic Church, and Ireland.

    There is a point to bear in mind with some of these examples that the Catholic Church itself pushed the floodgates wide open in the 1960s and put its authority behind what at the time were progressive spiritual and political viewpoints. It is quite interesting to look back at some of these debates in the light of the situation we have today because what looked like crazy reactionary ecclesiastical predictions have to a surprising (possibly disheartening) extent been proved accurate.

    (The wildest example of this phenomena I have heard about doesn’t come from within the Church but from Julius Evola, when he predicted in the 1950s that the inevitable result of post war liberal democracy would be a growing tendency towards hermaphroditism.)

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  352. PUA is getting some traction in the Sinosphere, here’s this dude asking white and asian broads about The.Most.Important.Question.In.The.World.About.Oriental.Men

    But really we only need to look to Confucius for wisdom

    唯女子小人难养也,近则不逊,远则怨
    — 论语

    The Master said, “Of all people, girls and servants are the most difficult to behave to. If you are familiar with them, they lose their humility. If you maintain a reserve towards them, they are discontented.”
    — The Analects

  353. Coconuts says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    What is a feminism which makes women feel diminished?

    I hadn’t thought of this angle but on reflection most of the women I know who are around about my age and older and are aware of these things have expressed concern about trans issues, pornification and snowflake tendencies in younger feminists. It could be that the changes in direction I was thinking about will start sooner due to this.

    Along the same lines, I think it was hearing Bari Weiss talking about the growing scale of the Incel phenomena among men in their 20s and 30s that suggested to me that at some point elements of the Red Pill could end up getting into the Anglo mainstream.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  354. @Mr. Hack

    The poorest place I’ve ever seen was a trailer park full of native Americans on the outskirts of Boise. Poorer than a Russian village, even a Zambian one because of the obvious alcoholism, also visible in Russia. Back country Idaho and Colorado is not always great either. Northern Nevada was just empty.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  355. @Mr. Hack

    Light rail and trams do wonders for decaying downtown areas.

    • Replies: @A123
  356. @Xi-jinping

    The random attacks on me were all by at least 5. In the one case there was plenty of space. I was lucky and hammered the first one quickly. The others ran. Otherwise, I still have the scars.

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  357. BS says:
    @Passer by

    It would be a deeply amusing outcome if around 2100, a second great power showdown between China and America were to happen, only the second time around a significant proportion of the the American elite are descendants of Asian emigrés (think a high-stakes, thermonuclear version of present-day “Chang v Chang” IOI showdown between American and Chinese teams) Would certainly fit the 21st century’s “Pacific Century” moniker.

  358. A123 says:
    @Philip Owen

    Light rail and trams do wonders for decaying downtown areas.

    That was before the CCP Elites unleashed a plague on the planet.

    The FUD associated with WUHAN-19 hysteria has made mass transit a causality. The SJW Globalists were very short sighted when they over hyped Xi’s mistake to defeat Trump. Now that people see dense urban cores as high risk, jobs are relocating from Blue downtowns to Red suburbs.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  359. Svevlad says:
    @A123

    Even more so. You then need to get all the disparate suburbs connected somehow or get even worse jams, because then they themselves take the functions of the downtown, but with none of the infrastructure

    • Replies: @A123
  360. @Philip Owen

    Yeah man. Usually the best thing to do if jumped is to run. Its not always possible though. That’s when boxing and wrestling come in. Boxing allows you to keep them at a distance. Grappling for when they’re close.

  361. @Xi-jinping

    Real politics is only possible where the culture is OK with open carry of weapons.
    Could be any kind tbh: guns, knives, swords, spears, battle-axes.

    Weapons are a form of the Goddess and the mark of a Man (along with Kesh)
    I ask because I agree with your positions but they obviously come from a westernized, secular society

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  362. @Daniel Chieh

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”

    I agree. This is why I don’t want to set the parameters for people, I just want them to be secure, free and tolerated enough to work out their own and then work towards them, or not, if they don’t want.

    How do you feel when you make people conform to your parameters?

    With greater sources of energy, comes with it greater opportunities for surveillance and consensus building as well. You talk of “evolution” and “progress” and “freedom”, but you are a complex organism that has come to be because of the sacrifice of freedom of your individual cells into a single coherent whole, created through basically forced interdependency and policed heavily by an immune system that attacks anything different.

    If humans were like cells this conversation would be moot. Cells don’t possess consciousness and don’t have a choice.

    It isn’t that I think humans have an unlimited thirst for freedom either. They clearly don’t. They seem to be on quite distinct and unpredictable journeys; which is why I prefer a political system which gives them the security, freedom and sense of being tolerated to take risks and show courage. I am not a libertarian.

    That is your terminal good. It is not to be thought as an universal good.

    I support a system which will best enable people to achieve the terminal spiritual good. Everyone has their own journeys, so I want politics to be able to enable them, on an individual level. This means tolerance, freedom and security.

    What is a “losing political platform” can nonetheless end up being ineffective in other levels that make it nonfunctional. Athenians once tried to elect their officers in the military: it worked about as poorly then, as it would work now

    A politics which stands against people finding their own way is a politics which attempts to swim upstream. It may, with furious effort, succeed for a while, but it will eventually be overwhelmed.

    I’m afraid you might not like this, but we’ve reached the point where human rationality can no longer hold sway. Once you hit this point, you’ll have to rely on intuition, reflecting on how you feel and even visions to engage fully. I appreciate that this is not a method that many value, but I would advise exploring it, if only as a cost free experiment.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  363. @Xi-jinping

    Na, I think because game ultimately represents a form of defection against other men; and,
    women are the glue within and arbiter between tribes. Game threatens social stability & fem power

    Through tribalism & status jockeying guys who get girls with game, still would; so would friends
    That type of mating selection process also tends to form stable marriages & involves fathers.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-158/#comment-4789308

    Think of feminism as putting all women in a common state-backed harem.
    Of course, this assumes that there is always ownership over women & politics merely the transfer.

    Of course, being a white woman you’ll scream this isn’t true as you’re looking for a strong owner||

    If she as a white woman is unfit for marriage, she’s serviceable as a concubine; and, only represents the social weakness of white society.

    This, doesn’t mean she doesn’t merit the attention/respect of a woman (functioning womb or ability to nurse) and that’s about it. :shrug:

    Women are not some evil, demon beings. They are Shakti, Divine Essence (Feminine), The Sword.
    Yes, they will get you killed and to control them you must be prepared to die; they also bring forth life.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

    [MORE]

    Aad Shakt Sri Chandi Roop Eh Poojan Jog Sadeeva||
    Sarab Sorasar Nar Keya Baporou Jis Ke Bas Meih Theeva||

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  364. @Coconuts

    Evola, marinated in alchemy and tantra, may have had more complex views on hermaphroditism than he let on. Best not to confuse these with “transgenderism”, which is to those views, what putting holes in your hands, would be to trying to live like Christ. Or maybe he made that comparison, in which case he was a wise man 😆

  365. @Coconuts

    Along the same lines, I think it was hearing Bari Weiss talking about the growing scale of the Incel phenomena among men in their 20s and 30s that suggested to me that at some point elements of the Red Pill could end up getting into the Anglo mainstream.

    I think a lot of kindhearted people, which I guess includes Bari Weiss, look at incels and see young men in serious pain and confusion.

    I also think that they will be taken seriously, but not literally. When I close my eyes and see the commenter here “Xi Jinping”, he appears as a vast open wound. If you’re open to your own problems, other people’s pain can become very intense.

    “Toxic masculinity” is a stupid phrase, but “wounded masculinity” is better. His self-conception is very extreme, feels desperate and born of a deep lack of unworthiness. This will make him a very easy victim.

    Political movements have succeeded, born on energies such as his, but, as everyone basically recognises, only they only do so in times of social disaster and general trauma.

    Instead of the “red pill” as it is, I think that women’s “wounded feminity” will be examined. Women can be extremely cruel, emotionally abusive and manipulative, but many of their methods are unrecognised by society.

    Fake rape accusations are obviously a thing. Crushing your longterm partner’s emotional needs is a thing. Driving men to suicide is a thing.

    A lot of incels have been moulded by exactly these types of behaviours. Ironically, perhaps, I can imagine a Lesbian like Bari Weiss being particularly open to these observations.

    Women do these things because they feel they have failed as a woman. They put their identity before their self. Camille Paglia, who didn’t need to prove herself as a “woman”, gets it.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  366. mal says:

    I dont know if this has been posted yet, but this is a rather fair analysis from BNE Intellinews about how Putin saved Russia.

    https://www.intellinews.com/long-read-putin-s-babies-215463/?source=russia

    The irony is that dealing with Russia’s demographic problems has probably been one of the Kremlin’s biggest successes, even if it hasn’t fixed the problem. Today Russia’s population is just under 148mn (144mn if you discount the Crimea). That is actually a stunningly good result. When the “dying Russia” meme appeared in around 2000 even the optimistic scenarios were for Russia’s population to shrink to around 125mn today and many saying it would fall to 75mn-100mn from 144mn in 2000.

    Ben Aris strikes me as a bit weird. He is quite knowledgeable and intelligent for a Western commentator, you can almost feel his brains stretching to fit Western news framework that he must take.

    “Putin is evil and always fails! Well, actually, this particular program is doing a pretty good job and Putin is fairly rational for taking this course of action and he does care about the outcome, but nevertheless, Putin is evil and always fails!”.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Beckow
  367. @Triteleia Laxa

    His self-conception is very extreme, feels desperate and born of a deep lack of unworthiness.

    This is one of those hilarious female quotes similar to “men are just intimidated by a strong independent woman”. No. Why would I as a guy who is 6’4 at 223 lbs be intimidated by a woman who is 100 lbs? That makes no sense. Same applies to this. I see women for what they are and respond accordingly. To not adapt is stupid. I just do not allow emotions to cloud my judgement, as many guys do. One could say I am first and foremost a pragmatic. I cannot change women, once they change – so will I.

    You are going by partial ‘feelings’ and trying to project some female conceptions onto the male mind.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  368. @sher singh

    because game ultimately represents a form of defection against other men

    I am not sure what you mean by this? Can you clarify.

    women are the glue within and arbiter between tribes.

    If anything women are the thing that brings conflict within and amongst tribes. Tribal warfare amongst the Yamamato is primarly driven by a competition for women not any other resources. Wars where started over women (if the legend of the Trojan War is to be believed – it was started over Helen). Even now, it is quite possible to be jumped by guys who think you are trying to take their women.

    looking for a strong owner

    This is what I have been saying – women attach themselves to whoever they view as strongest within the vicinity/social group. The State is the strongest actor. However, an average male can bypass this position by projecting psychological strength and showing an ability to be stress resistant in adverse situations.

    Yes, they will get you killed and to control them you must be prepared to die; they also bring forth life.

    Nietzsche wrote:

    “The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.”

  369. @A123

    However, both of these problems could have been overcome if the courts had looked at the evidence. As we see from Georgia and Arizona election audits these states were stolen. If the judiciary had been open to facts, Biden & Harris would never have been sworn in.

    Yes, there was plenty of evidence the courts studiously avoided looking at. But you oversimplify. Some judges were pro-Biden stooges, but others (e.g., the Supreme Court) were simply scared shitless to go into the unchartered territory and annul obviously fraudulent election. The US constitution does not specify what to do in that case. Mind you, the Supreme Court has once before certified fraud: decided to let stand the fraudulent (as later recount showed) “win” of W in brother-controlled Florida. In part, for the same reason: the US constitution does not say what to do in case of result-changing fraud in presidential elections, so the courts are inclined to pretend that there was no fraud, or insufficient fraud to change the result.

    The system is rotten through and through, it cannot be corrected by the courts, even if they wanted to.

  370. @Shortsword

    Is this anything to care about?

    It is wise to ignore everything the puppets say and follow the puppet-master.

  371. @AaronB

    You are incorrect.

    At one point in my life, I grew up mostly alone, surrounded by books and otherwise by nature.

    Unlike you, who rambles a lot about nature, I was intimately familiar with it. I counted ants as they went about their way, one by one, saw their fierce struggles against giant spiders as they prevailed together. I saw two spiders approach each other, one smaller and one larger – they were alike, perhaps the same species, and perhaps even siblings – they fenced for a moment, circling and then one leaped upon another and by fang and venom, the loser’s limbs flailing as they do with spiders, then crumbling inward as its insides were dissolved. Another time, it was like that too, with a smaller and larger spider, but there was a web involved and once the female had finished eating the male, soon afterward, many small spiderlings were born and many small webs surrounded the first.

    Once I befriended a pair of mockingbirds, a mated pair who took up territory at this place I often visited. They were lovely. I remember then once that I had zoned out near them, looking at the bright edges of clouds where they caught the light, seeing what I thought were faces in the sky. When I looked down, a snake was steadily gliding toward me, slithering in that strangely hypnotic way that I found myself staring at it. Perhaps it was venomous and my life would have ended there, but the pair of mockingbirds swooped in and the flick of their gray feathers and the white down beneath was like flashes of light, striking at the snake, flipping it over and driving it away from me.

    Sometimes I’ve wondered if it was divine. It certainly does not need to be: birds do not like snakes in their territory, and mockingbirds are infamously more aggressive than your normal songbirds. But that it was natural does not mean that it also is not supernatural.

    I do not recall any of this with the terror you suggest. I recall it with beauty. There is this enthralling grace and beauty in the struggle, in the gap between life and death, in that moment between aggression and fear, between hope and despair. Behind it all I felt an order, a purity that was beautiful.

    Understanding this has led to the deeper sense of order that is worth struggling for, for the evocation of the Platonic ideals into the world of flesh and mud that I’ve told you of. I have some thoughts of what you might call a Good Life, but that is much less important than the struggle in and of itself: it is the journey that matters more than the destination, it is in becoming that is more important that having become.

    It is you who have surrendered to fear, if anything. There is much triumph yet to be gained and order to be placed right, evil to be destroyed and good to be celebrated. There is more beauty to be discovered and order to be constructed.

    Glory awaits.

    • Thanks: AP
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @AaronB
  372. In looking back I see that Bashibuzuk has ghosted himself which is not great news. If you recognize his essence in a new userid perhaps just let it pass?

  373. @Triteleia Laxa

    How do you feel when you make people conform to your parameters?

    I find it beautiful. A very basic form of order in the universe is hierarchy; whether in submission or in command, to participate in that is to build out a crystallization of beauty, like the minute and silvered stalactites of snowflakes.

    As a Russian reactionary once said: life is a despotism of ordered systems. Great freedom can be revealed in the unordered decay of death.

    If humans were like cells this conversation would be moot. Cells don’t possess consciousness and don’t have a choice.

    Do cells not have consciousness?

    https://www.wired.com/2013/11/christof-koch-panpsychism-consciousness/

    Do humans have a choice?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet#Volitional_acts_and_readiness_potential

    However, Libet’s experiments suggest to some that unconscious processes in the brain are the true initiator of volitional acts, and free will therefore plays no part in their initiation. If unconscious brain processes have already taken steps to initiate an action before consciousness is aware of any desire to perform it, the causal role of consciousness in volition is all but eliminated, according to this interpretation. For instance, Susan Blackmore’s interpretation is “that conscious experience takes some time to build up and is much too slow to be responsible for making things happen.”

    Your terminal good rests on assumptions that may not be true. And certainly en mass, it would be profoundly silly to believe that humans are not majorly influenced by information and by other agents in their environment. As I mentioned before, I think to you, any doubts in it could be resolved functionally in an experiment with vodka.

    I support a system which will best enable people to achieve the terminal spiritual good. Everyone has their own journeys, so I want politics to be able to enable them, on an individual level. This means tolerance, freedom and security.

    And much your cells, I’m certain that many of them have their own journey. And they should be aided and assisted in their journey by the environment that they are in, to complete the necessary roles they need to maximize their society.

    And when they do not, they need to be discouraged.

    No, I do think that humans have quite unlimited desires that unless fettered, sufficiently externalize harm around them. It is the way we function. Maximization.

    Once you hit this point, you’ll have to rely on intuition, reflecting on how you feel and even visions to engage fully. I appreciate that this is not a method that many value, but I would advise exploring it, if only as a cost free experiment.

    I absolutely agree with that and suggest that you indulge in such yourself and question your beliefs. Right now, they’re really rather boring and often contradictory, not any more innovative than the bestselling book The Alchemist with all of its usual New Age prattle and personal journeys.

    Take a risk and challenge them. You might discover that the typical canon of individuality is much more threadworn than suggested, and that some of your arguments against controlled come not from truth, but from fear.

  374. @Shortsword

    It would be impressive if they actually could manage any of it.

    It’s more likely a cry for political and financial support, and maybe investments. These in themselves are actually positive things, or can be, but are not the same as a party genuinely and competently working to improve the country. Still, it could bode well.

  375. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Apparently, thousands of dead people voted for Biden under influence of MSM

    Proof?

    Biden got more votes than Hillary or Obama exclusively in big cities in swing states

    https://detroitmi.gov/webapp/election-results

    The city of Detroit had turnout of 49.56% (pretty low, if the goal was cheating). Biden got 93.5%.

    Clinton did a little better than Biden – she got 94.95% of the vote.

    Trump got 5,000 more votes in Detroit in 2020 than he got in 2016, while Biden got about 1,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Clinton got.

    It’s an odd way of cheating when turnout is so low, and the Democrat did a little bit worse.

    Trump lost because a smaller percentage of white people voted for him in 2020 than in 2016.

    vote harvesting was widespread

    Ballot harvesting was another legal cheat, but the primary factor was total media control, which resulting in nonstop demonization and lying about Trump combined with whitewashing Biden’s problems (such as was revealed on his son’s laptop). So it’s more like a Russian election, except the outsider-president was the victim rather than owner of the political-corporate machine, rather than like an election in Zimbabwe.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  376. @Daniel Chieh

    And much your cells, I’m certain that many of them have their own journey.

    This is why losing weight is so difficult. Your fat cells want to live.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  377. Do anyone here think if Trump had gotten his 2nd term (which he’d likely have without the fraud), would the rot have magically gone away? He would have throttled a lot of cultural/ideological propaganda pushed officially under Biden (and retained some sort of legitimacy in the institutions), but COVID (Remember Trump supported Operation Warp Speed)? Belligerence to China? Massive Federal debt? Floyd and BLM? State-level rot? And most importantly, uniparty rule?

    The electoral fraud doesn’t matter as much as you think.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @AP
    , @A123
  378. @Morton's toes

    I mean, this is literally what’s going on with cancer. They just want to live. It is only indirectly that they also kill you.

    Dutton’s idea of the spiteful mutant is also consistent with this. They don’t mean you any harm. They just happen to act in ways that will poison you all.

    https://vdare.com/articles/of-mice-and-men-spiteful-mutations-look-bad-for-the-west

  379. @Daniel Chieh

    I find it beautiful. A very basic form of order in the universe is hierarchy; whether in submission or in command, to participate in that is to build out a crystallization of beauty, like the minute and silvered stalactites of snowflakes.

    Your “order” over everyone else.

    Most people who try to possess the ring end up like Gollum, not even Sauron. How does it feel when you look in the mirror?

    It is telling that you find your own egotism so mesmerising. “Your precious” indeed.

    Your terminal good rests on assumptions that may not be true. And certainly en mass, it would be profoundly silly to believe that humans are not majorly influenced by information and by other agents in their environment. As I mentioned before, I think to you, any doubts in it could be resolved functionally in an experiment with vodka.

    I made no such assumptions. Your tired argument is still just special pleading for why people should listen to you on how they must live.

    Like a little boy, who wails and bawls that not everyone is doing what he wants so as to soothe his hurt feelings. Poor Gollum.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Daniel Chieh
  380. @Yellowface Anon

    The electoral fraud doesn’t matter as much as you think.

    You are right for the reason I stated in 381: the system is rotten through and through.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  381. @Xi-jinping

    I am sorry. I meant a deep lack of “worthiness.” You need a hug. You’re not intimidated by me. You’re intimidated by your own emotional needs, for which I am just a placeholder.

    Say you do manage to convince me that you are a heroic, masculine man who knows everything and has no needs, how will that feel?

    I believe it will feel empty, because it is a lie and a self-betrayal, and you spent the journey deeply anxious of being validated. What’s the point?

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  382. @Xi-jinping

    It is funny that you quote Nietzsche, because the way you describe yourself is pure slave morality, but you think it is the opposite.

  383. AP says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Trump was clueless about a lot of these things as people his age are, but he started to wake up at the very end; this positive trend presumably would have continued.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  384. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Your “order” over everyone else.

    I don’t think he places himself at the top of this order, which is a natural phenomenon.

  385. @AP

    Watching the development of her mental schema and assumptions is pretty entertaining.

  386. @Triteleia Laxa

    True wisdom lies in understanding before making accusations. The latter mostly just reiterates your own answers to yourself.

    There’s a story of a Zen teacher pouring tea into a cup…

  387. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    A very nice comment overall.

    However, sometimes I get the impression from you that you want to reduce the infinite riches of the natural biological order to a tame human order, and one that you control. That would be a fear-based project – to reduce the fathomless complexity of the universe to a human compass, rendering it tame and predictable.

    Translating Platonic ideals into the world of flesh and blood – I am not sure what you mean by this. Traditionally, did this not mean wresting permanence out of a world of flux? Would that not be the opposite of becoming?

    And would this not mean imposing human categories onto a world that is infinitely richer than can ever be captured by words?

    The human mind is ultimately a rather tame thing. Kant showed that our entire thought process can be summarized in a few tables of concept pairs. To impose this simple scheme on a world of infinite richness is to tame it – that can only be a fear based project.

    A world that did not contain mystery would be a supremely impoverished world. Goethe said that the highest experience man can know is wonder – not knowledge. Don’t you sometimes feel that everything you know – and everything you could know with a human mind (even of it were a thousand times more powerful) – somehow doesn’t come close to capturing the world’s richness?

    You say order to be “constructed” – would this not replace the mysterious, wild, and rich natural order with a tame, human imposed order that provides comfort and security?

    The big question is – do we dominate nature, or find our place as part of nature and work with it? Dominating nature seems always to be based on fear. Control is always about fear.

    What can it mean to eradicate evil? That too seems to be imposing limited human concepts on a fathomless world. Is death an evil, or a good and natural thing? Are we perhaps meant to energy-transform periodically? By not dying, who knows what undreamed of states we would be denying ourselves.

    In the end, beauty, order, and goodness I agree with you that we should strive for – and I even agree with your desire to become “bigger”, the desire for “more” – being merely a detached fragment of a human is not “enough”. Only, by seperating ourselves from nature and trying to dominate it and control it we actually lose sight of beauty and become less. Nothing can make us feel “bigger” than realizing our place within nature – connected to literally “everything”. There can be no bigger than that. And a world of purely human order is a smaller and punier world.

    So – your ideals are fine and good as far as I can see, but you may be going about it the wrong way. Perhaps.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  388. @AP

    I don’t think he places himself at the top of this order, which is a natural phenomenon.

    If it is a “natural phenomenon,” then why is it not a reality? Or why would it not be the result of people enjoying a good degree of security, freedom and tolerance, at least?

    Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren’t they merely things you observe?

    Isn’t attaching the label “natural,” in this case, just about the weakest justification for why people should submit to his control?

    I don’t think he has the slightest clue about nature, nor appreciation for it. It is merely a label he uses to hide from himself and his own desires. He should have the courage to say “I want people to act as I want”, rather than pretending that nature is that which wants it. He is so cowardly.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AP
  389. Mr. Hack says:
    @AaronB

    The current system starts in the central downtown area and goes both north through the city and east through two large suburbs, Tempe and Mesa. No traveling through any “lovely desert scenery”
    You’ll need to complete your drive through the Apache trail for that. 🙂

    • Thanks: AaronB
  390. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    But I did very much appreciate your descriptions of finding beauty in the natural world, even the parts we might ordinarily find harsh or upsetting.

    And as you said to Laxa, hierarchy is found in nature – but is it a spontaneous hierarchy, or a human imposed one? And is it a system of interdependence, rather than a hierarchy, where the so-called controller is defined and controlled by the relationship as much as the so-called controlled, and where each piece fulfills it’s natural role?

    I was once walking my sister’s dog in the California woods, and a deer leaped onto the path before us, prompting the dog to chase her wildly. The deer was off on the side, and neither of us saw it – yet it leaped in front us, not the other way. At that moment I had the insight that on some level, prey enjoys being chased. And why not?

    Yet do humans enjoy being exploited? Can we decide that for others?

    From a certain perspective, hierarchy may vanish and be replaced by a vast, beautiful, orderly system of mutual inter-dependence. Humans might take their cure from this, and instead of dominating nature, exploiting it, work with it and find their rightful place as part of the whole.

  391. @Triteleia Laxa

    I am honored to be in the presence of one who’s confidence in her psychic ability to read the secret intentions of others exceeds her reading comprehension. Continue being brave and courageous, just like everyone on Twitter.

    Good night, Laxa.

    • Agree: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  392. @Daniel Chieh

    One need not have psychic abilities to see that you want for other people is what you want for them.

    What is strange is that you can’t see it.

  393. Mr. Hack says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Your personal tale about fear, mother nature and the snake reminded me of a similar one written by a friend of mine, who lives in Costa Rica:

    On this date 25 years ago I had a close encounter I’ll never forget. I was working as a carpenter in Drake Bay, putting the finishing touches on a shower and bathroom. I lifted the new door with both hands and guided it toward the hinges. Suddenly, I felt something move across my bare feet. I looked down and saw it was Fer du Lance pit viper! The snake was about a meter and half long. It stopped moving and lay with its belly across both my feet. I dared not move a muscle, but the door was heavy as I held it in midair. I kept my eyes on the snake, but it didn’t move and didn’t seem to notice me. I supposed it was attracted to the warmth of my feet. It felt comfortable just where it was! I felt sweat on my face and back, my hands shook, the door bobbed up and down. I had to concentrate on holding it still, but my muscles were starting to shake. Finally, the snake decided to move on and slithered over my feet and kept going. I dropped the door and jumped outside. I laughed and cried for a bit, said a silent prayer.

    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
  394. @Triteleia Laxa

    You’re intimidated by your own emotional needs

    LOL. another one of those feminine nonsensical statements. I am fully aware of my emotions, i just don’t see the need to share them with the world like a faggot.

    Say you do manage to convince me that you are a heroic, masculine man who knows everything and has no needs, how will that feel?

    I don’t need to convince you of anything. Just that you don’t understand me or men as well as you think you do. (Typical feminine solipsism).

    It is funny that you quote Nietzsche, because the way you describe yourself is pure slave morality, but you think it is the opposite.

    It’s funny because you don’t understand Nietzsche. Can you even explain his main points without resorting to wikipedia or sparknotes or something like that?

  395. @AnonfromTN

    Which is why the fraud might be a blessing in disguise: you need to be disillusioned in order to have the resolve to leave the system, bring it down and rebuild, instead of patching it up like what some people both Red and Blue have been trying.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @AaronB
  396. @AP

    Even in such a high place I’m not at all sure if he can arrest or delay much of the currents set in motion last year or this. A lot of those are structural and some (especially the cultural/ideological ones) could have come back in forms that work around Trump.

    • Replies: @AP
  397. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Xi-jinping

    There is no relation between ‘greater economic development’ and breakdown of traditional gender roles.

    Greater economic development is usually accompanied by steadily increasing mass media and mass education. And technological development. It’s not always easy to figure out which of those factors has contributed to the breakdown of traditional gender roles.

    I think that technological development may be the big one. The one that makes the breakdown of traditional gender roles inevitable.

  398. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Today’s hateful, bigoted movements were yesterday’s progressive liberations.

    That seems to be the pattern.

    In some cases these movements never were libertarian. Feminism for example was never really about freeing women. It was about forcing women to adopt male gender roles, whether they wanted to or not.

  399. @dfordoom

    All these are the result of capitalist social arrangement.

    (There isn’t a single “traditional” gender role, but a multiplicity of them that morph over time and with only commonalities rooted in biological reality, e.g. masculine warriors and feminine caretakers)

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  400. Anything interesting?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @AP
  401. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon

    you need to be disillusioned in order to have the resolve to leave the system, bring it down and rebuild, instead of patching it up like what some people both Red and Blue have been trying.

    In the West people are not going to tear down the system because they have too much to lose if tearing down the political system leads to complete social and economic collapse. It doesn’t matter how disillusioned they become, they still have too much to lose.

    And people don’t care about losing freedom. They care about losing their pension, or their house, or their smartphone, or their social media access but they don’t care about losing their freedom.

    And most people couldn’t care less about the things that rightoids care about.

  402. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Your basic agenda seems to be to reduce the wild complexity of the world to familiar human terms – you call this beauty, order, and goodness, and the eradication of evil.

    This is the Western dream since the end of the Middle Ages.

    This is a fear-based agenda, that is slightly more refined than the person who simply covets wealth and power. I do admit it is a more refined and sublimated version, but at bottom it shares the same root; fear, and a feeling of existential inadequacy.

    What is wanted, at bottom, is security. Beauty, order, and goodness = safety, familiarity, and control, in this way of thinking. Endless growth, also, is a desire for security.

    This is not an insult. Wanting to be safe and secure is not “cowardly” or “bad” – it is a deep human need that everyone must satisfy. That is why it is important to examine our deepest metaphysics. If we don’t, we will be imprisoned by unexamined assumptions that may condemn us to search for fulfillment where it cannot be found.

    At bottom, the search for security is the search for a home – a place that is “right”. That you dress up this search with noble sounding names like beauty and goodness that are more socially sanctioned than a concern with safety, just shows how alienated we are from our natural needs.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  403. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Yellowface Anon

    All these are the result of capitalist social arrangement.

    Yes.

    (There isn’t a single “traditional” gender role, but a multiplicity of them that morph over time and with only commonalities rooted in biological reality, e.g. masculine warriors and feminine caretakers)

    Pretty much. What social conservatives think of as traditional gender roles and the traditional family aren’t really traditional at all. They’re 20th century innovations.

  404. AaronB says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    There is no need to tear down the system.

    The system survives off our energy. All we have to do is opt out, or be less energetic in functioning within the system. This will naturally happen – is naturally happening – as the system can no longer motivate at the same level, as people realize it’s promises of providing fulfillment are no longer believable.

    That is why the Lie Flat movement in China was so concerning to the elite, and is no longer permitted online. What is so encouraging is that many of the people seem to have graduated from elite Chinese universities.

    The system will die a natural death. It’s basic premise is that technology will provide us with ultimate fulfillment. This is met with growing skepticism as the emptiness of this promise becomes clearer by the day. It was never a credible promise, but after 500 years, we are beginning to finally see this.

    But what will replace the system? It is probably time to start seriously thinking about a new metaphysics, and in my view, the only obvious alternative is a reintegration into nature.

    This does not mean we can’t continue to have technology, only that we no longer look to it for salvation, and abandon the premise that we are seperate from nature and must dominate it.

    • Agree: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  405. @AaronB

    Agree. Much of the fix-it-with-gene-editing is just a more elaborate version of “we should build hills without valleys” or “we must have sunshine without shadows”.

    At least the old fashioned breeders understood what they were getting into: creating a distortion means taking the bad with the good.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  406. @Mr. Hack

    As you get older, and more and more of your friends and family depart this world, you’ll begin to realize that the “big one” really is around the corner

    Or, “It’s not the end of the world, it’s just the end of you.”

    The Big One really is coming, but on an individual basis.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  407. A123 says:
    @Svevlad

    Even more so. You then need to get all the disparate suburbs connected somehow or get even worse jams, because then they themselves take the functions of the downtown, but with none of the infrastructure

    Many functions of downtowns are often obsolete and do not need to be replicated. Bloated tributes to DNC power and megalomania are best abandoned.

    Shortening the distance between people and natural resources makes the supply situation easier. A ring of suburbs has the similar resource demands probably core city. The transport situation is easier as people living closer to their jobs alleviates “rush hour” traffic for several hours each day.

    De-urbanization will be good for they body, the mind, and the soul.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  408. Mr. Hack says:
    @Almost Missouri

    I’m not quite sure about the mechanics of it all, but I’m sure that the two are related (individual demise and eschatological end of this world as we know it now) and am putting things into order that will help in case either contingency appears first.

  409. Mr. Hack says:
    @Philip Owen

    Back country Idaho and Colorado is not always great either.

    It depend on where you go. Sure, the western part of Idaho is scruffy and really just an extension of Eastern Oregon, but the rest really looks like “God’s country”. I suppose that something similar could be said about Colorado, but I’ve traversed less of that large state to say (although the parts tht I’ve seen were majestic). .

    • Agree: AaronB
  410. A123 says:
    @Shortsword

    From Reuters:

    Big if true: the US and Germany are expected to announce a deal resolving their dispute over #Nordstream2 in the coming days.

    I will believe it when the gas starts being delivered via NordStream 2 [NS2].

    — How would a deal with “The U.S.” work?
    — Does the author mean a deal with Dementia Joe?

    Even if Beijing Biden signs up for something, he may not remember it. And, much like Obama, he can not get a treaty ratified by the Senate to bind future administrations. The effective vacancy of the office of U.S. President renders advancing controversial foreign policy more or less impossible.

    PEACE 😇

  411. @A123

    Good, but what kind of economy you’re envisioning? It comes before the spatial arrangements that are possible.

    • Replies: @A123
  412. AaronB says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Build hills without valleys – such a perfect way of putting it.

    When one puts it like that, one immediately sees that it’s literally impossible, even incoherent.

  413. @AaronB

    This does not mean we can’t continue to have technology, only that we no longer look to it for salvation, and abandon the premise that we are seperate from nature and must dominate it.

    I am afraid even if you want to keep some technologies, they won’t be there because of the loss of knowledge and the level of social complexity needed to maintain it (maybe similar to how Roman engineering was gone when Rome fell and only rediscovered in the Early Modern period)

    • Replies: @AaronB
  414. A123 says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Do anyone here think if Trump had gotten his 2nd term (which he’d likely have without the fraud), would the rot have magically gone away?

    And most importantly, uniparty rule?

    Change is a process that takes time. And, MAGA is the only hope to peacefully ending Uniparty rule.

    Trump was badly burdened by the GOP Establishment still beholden to anti-MAGA interests and their “China First / U.S Workers Last” policies. The deals he had to make to obtain Senate confirmation for judges and cabinet posts were highly problematic.

    The MAGA movement may actually be better off because of the fraud. The DNC now 100% owns the impending inflation and economic fallout. And, MAGA is wisely using the time to purge Uniparty GOP(e) back stabbers like Liz Cheney. The MAGA movement development of other leaders, like DeSantis, points to long term viability beyond Trump.

    PEACE 😇

  415. AP says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Trump’s continued influence on the courts and his influence in various regulatory frameworks (such as elimination of sexual witch-hunts at universities, cutting off of funding for universal which was upcoming) would have sheltered and empowered the silent majority who oppose the woke nonsense. For various reasons (bogus Russian investigation, being an outsider who needed time to figure out how to get going) Trump did very little on these fronts his first 3 years. Another term would have been more than just simply doubling the (minor) impact of his first term.

    • Replies: @Jatt Aryaa
  416. AP says:
    @Shortsword

    Your first tweet was written by someone whose surname is a very interesting portmanteau. Or at least a funny one.

  417. @Yellowface Anon

    Disneyland with the Death Penalty; William Gibson; Wired; 1993

    https://www.wired.com/1993/04/gibson-2/

  418. songbird says:

    Doge is really a low-effort memecoin, but I wonder what would happen with a high-effort one. Like, suppose a billion dollars were invested in making blockbusters set in a universe with a new coin. One designed to have high merchandising potential, like Star Wars, but where you could buy the merchandise using the coin.

  419. @Xi-jinping

    game ultimately represents a form of defection

    Some strive for the palace bedroom
    Others merely wish to place their heads at the feet of the Guru।।

    June 6th – Our General Finally Falls, Obtaining Shaheedi. “Baba Deep Singh came so far to give his head at this place, and I am privileged to be able to give mine right here,” stated Sant Bhindranwale before running out of ammo, charging the machine guns with his Talwar (Eye Wtiness accounts). from Sikh

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  420. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    If it is a “natural phenomenon,” then why is it not a reality

    Is it not reality? Is there not a natural social hierarchy, whose complexity reflects the development and refinement of each society?

    Why would someone even need to argue that it was a natural phenomenon? Do natural phenomena need justification? Aren’t they merely things you observe?

    His argument comes across as an observation.

    One can also observe that a breakdown in order and hierarchy reflects a decline in the society. Such an observation may seem like an “argument” in favor of maintaining a hierarchy, I suppose.

    justification for why people should submit to his control

    Is it really about his or anybody’s control though? In the natural hierarchy individuals’ roles depend on their personal attributes. These roles can be beautiful or honorable, simple or complex, depending on the beauty and honor of the society.

    A crude simpleton such as your other interlocutor, “Xi-jingping”, has admitted that he has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women. He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.

    “Daniel Chieh” on the other hand is more intelligent, thoughtful and moral. Whatever he does is much more complex. Most importantly, in a healthy and beautiful society his role involves more obligations and no less work. Such people are not some sort of parasites as modern (leftist) propaganda implies, no more than a neuron is a parasite compared to a cardiac muscle cell.

    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
    • LOL: Xi-jinping
  421. @AP

    Trump represented a Penultimate opportunity to produce a Castizo America instead of a Haiti or South Africa.

    As someone already of darker skin, and with no love for the whites or racial mixing I can say I’m full on popcorn after watching that many guns lies silent after so much fraud & deprivation.

    White here meaning the Amerikaner Anglo Christian heritage with a love of ‘liberty’ and other forms of tribal supremacy and government totalitarianism masquerading as sound ideology.

    Liberals are more likely to leave me alone as long as my guns are aimed at you, and between 2 sides of beef eaters I have no ‘dog’ in the fight।।

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  422. songbird says:

    Surprised nobody sabotaged Bezos.

    • Replies: @mal
  423. A123 says:

    Good, but what kind of economy you’re envisioning? It comes before the spatial arrangements that are possible.

    Coronavirus hysteria proved to employers that you do not have to gather office workers to one central downtown location. And, workers have rediscovered the joy & benefits of not being downtown. What I am envisioning are near term, evolutionary changes in the nature of work. No major economy restructuring needed.

    Allowing staff to remain closer to home, near children’s school, less lost time commuting, etc. are powerful lifestyle inducements to recruiting and retaining the best people. And, as a double bonus, lower rent per square foot will allow for expense reduction and/or more space per worker for better working conditions.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  424. Beckow says:
    @mal

    …feel his brains stretching to fit Western news framework that he must take.

    One of the diseases of late-phase ideologies is this half-conscious stretching and the obligatory ‘Russia is failing!‘; or in the past, ‘as Bible says‘ or ‘Marx already knew‘. It is fear of being denounced as a heretic. With Russia it has reached absurd levels as if the homo-liberals are fixated on seeing devil at work since their lifetime work is collapsing.

    The predicted demographic catastrophe was a silly concern. As we see with C19 there are some in the elite who would prefer fewer people around. Our quality of life is basically available resources divided by population, having fewer people with the same resources is hardly a catastrophe.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  425. @AaronB

    Your error is that you think that I believe that humans, per se, are in control here. It really comes down to few really simple things:

    1. Mystery and wonder isn’t going to be “destroyed” by increasing knowledge. A microscope is a technological artifact that allows us to see worlds that we could not have seen with our naked eye – it allows us to see an entirely new frontier, and thus ask entire new questions. With every expansion of the boundary, comes new frontiers.

    The universe is full of wonder, and the more we seek to grasp it, the more questions that shall arise. This is not a call to futility, this is very much the process of both seeking and in seeking, being. This is life itself: the daily organization of chaos into order, a process without exact beginning or end. Do we ask “what is the purpose of life?” No, life persists. It is lovely. It persists because it persists.

    2. Humans are particularly in control of this process – all of your negotiations are based on some form of human wants, depression, joys or whatever. I don’t see it as such. There is a flow that goes beyond humanity: to return to one of your examples, of the futility of primitivism. It doesn’t matter if some humans feel better in primitivism or not, they will be outcompeted by humans who do not require primitivism. Eventually, then the world consists of the latter. There’s a flow to things, not decided by us.

    3. “Beauty, order, and goodness, and the eradication of evil” are part of the innate sense of of guidance, I don’t know how to express it in any other way. It is a mission from beyond, not a justification of the self. Its not really something that can be reducible into human terms as you are struggling to do so. It is like how Newton sought to understand the mind of God through alchemy, and and I have since learned, some physicists do so today. You believe that “truth” is found in the words of human philosophers, but I believe that truth is found in the record of God’s creation, in the minutiae of interactions and the patterns to observe. In discovering this, in pondering it and in making connections, I find joy.

    I’ll leave the notion of evocation as a riddle to you, and in part because I like the rule of threes. Remember that in Hermeticism, every material item is ultimately a thought; therefore every thought can materialize, no matter how seemingly contradictory. You bind yourself with such limitations by claiming this or that is impossible. Why? Many things were seen as impossible, and have become possible. Other things may yet be impossible, but we would not know. Do you claim to know the mind of God? Neither do I. But I can choose to have faith in hope.

    Sometimes, all you need is more imagination and knowledge. And you don’t need to do this because of fear or need for security. Sometimes, creation is for its own purpose, its own beauty, much like exploration can be for its own satisfaction.

    To strive boldly, to be aware and curious, is I think, quite beyond fear. And if it is, then perhaps the meaning of such words can have little cogency.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AaronB
  426. Don’t know atm if this is truthful info, but honestly would like it to be real and even to become systematic behaviour, lol 🙂 In short – Lukashenko media is reporting that LT borders guards kicked out back to Belarus the group of Iraqi “refugees”:

    Нарушители из второй группы мигрантов рассказали, что в Литве находились в лагере для беженцев.

    “По словам граждан Ирака, сотрудники Службы охраны государственной границы при МВД Литвы вызывали их на допрос и принуждали давать показания о подкупе белорусских пограничников за помощь в нарушении границы. При этом, задержанных не кормили, не давали пить, а “беседа” сопровождалась ударами телескопической дубинкой, о чем свидетельствуют ссадины и кровоподтёки на различных частях тела иностранцев. Сразу после допроса, как пояснили иракцы, правоохранители привезли их к государственной границе и под угрозой применения оружия заставили уйти на территорию Беларуси”, – отметили в Госпогранкомитете.

    Там пояснили, что один из задержанных третьей группы также заявил, что все пятеро являются гражданами Ирака.

    “Находясь на территории Литвы они были остановлены вооруженными людьми в камуфлированной форме. Нарушители отдали им свои паспорта людям, но те не стали проверять документы, а порвали и выбросили их. Затем граждан Ирака с применением физического насилия выдворили с территории Литовской Республики в Республику Беларусь”, – рассказали в ведомстве.

    https://interfax.by/news/policy/vneshnyaya_politika/1300045/

    • Replies: @AP
  427. @Daniel Chieh

    I want to add this quote from Erwin Schrödinger, known for his eponymous cat experiment below, because it is quite evocative and I think really captures a lot of my thoughts:

    https://medium.com/the-infinite-universe/we-may-now-know-what-life-is-9326d34a14e8

    Schrödinger’s primary insight is that life creates order from disorder. In a universe governed by the 2nd law of thermodynamics, that all things tend to maximal disorder, living things maintain small enclaves of order within themselves. Moreover, if you look down to the atomic level, you find that the interiors of living things are extremely chaotic. Heat and molecules diffuse through rapid motion. Everything seems random. Yet the living thing persists, turning all that small scale chaos into large scale order.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AaronB
  428. @dfordoom

    I do not see why technological development would inevitably lead to change in gender roles. Technology is just tools, but human biology (in which gender roles are rooted) do not change. If anything Technological development makes humans more arrogant, leading them to think they have mastered their biological instincts moreso than previous generations and that biology no longer applies to us. This leads to delusional ideas like feminism or pushing women into the workforce en masse.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  429. @AP

    has worked so hard building up his physique so that he can serve as a dildo for hundreds of women.

    This reads like the words of a jealous man, a man who wished he had a good physique and was full of strength and beauty, yet lacks it. You sound envious and I am sorry for you.

    dildo for hundreds of women

    More words of envy.

    What makes you think there isn’t love and warm relations with these women? (Rhetorical question)

    He is probably a tool in all other areas of his life, too. In a healthier and more beautiful society he would be a hardworking honest peasant, or a foot-soldier.

    It is jealous/envious men that are usually the ‘tools’. Sorry to break it to you. I promise you, I have a great career and earn more than most people here in all likelihood.

    This post confirms what I already suspected – AP is a small man who thinks he is smarter than he is as well as adding envy to that.

    I would be glad to be proven wrong, but I do not think I am based on what you write. In fact, it seems to me you are simping towards Laxa – for what purpose I cannot fathom.

    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

    • LOL: AP
  430. @AP

    His argument comes across as an observation.

    I disagree. I find that he veils his political platform behind the vaguest analogies I’ve ever read, makes a few barely relevant anecdotal observations and avoids giving direct answers to questions, but, this means that if he is only saying what is, rather than what should be, he is saying nothing at all.

    It strikes me as cowardice and sophism, though likely internal.

    I’d be very happy to be wrong.

    “Xi-jingping”

    My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn’t that real individuals, like he describes himself, don’t exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.

    He’s also familiar with one of the ways in which women can be disproportionately cruel and abusive. Given his immaturity, I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression. This isn’t that rare, but it is also not nearly as common as his ideological outlook implies.

    Just an observation and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and have no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.

    I knew a woman who was like that and she structured her entire persona around hiding it. It was highly effective at masking her conscious self, even if there was an extremely hurt little girl below even that.

    What’s the true face of a young man who feels he needs to hide behind a sociopathic mask? What life experiences would teach him that he needs to convince everyone that he has no emotional needs of others?

    He isn’t like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You’d have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love – to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    , @AaronB
    , @utu
    , @AP
  431. A123 says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    #436 is intended to be a reply to your post.

    The intermittent “threading bug” strikes again.

    PEACE 😇

  432. @Triteleia Laxa

    My guess is that he is a young fantasist. It isn’t that real individuals, like he describes himself, don’t exist, it is that, even if they felt they needed to convince strangers on the internet of their truth, they would communicate in a more effective manner.

    A nonsensical reply. Again, I merely mentioned things about myself to prove a point, not to convince some internet stranger let alone a woman of anything.

    And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad

    immaturity

    Typical feminine shaming language. Sounds like you yourself are abusive towards men in your own life. Which is why I said that you are emotionally broken and hate men.

    I would guess that his mother has distinct problems with emotional regulation

    I would ask that you don’t speak of my mother. Another guy speaking in such a manner about my mother would have his face caved in.

    and his home environment was unsafe for his own emotional expression.

    LOL. Laxa, you don’t understand men very well. You write from a feminine perspective, and its wrong. I don’t see the need or have the desire to scream like a headless chicken, or release crocodile tears to get sympathy from strangers. Doesn’t mean I don’t ‘express my emotions’. Like what does that statement even mean lmao

    Just an observations and exploration of an interesting phenomena, but the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and have no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.

    Thanks for trying to dissect my personality. Problem is your “analysis” makes little sense. You use some weird ‘therapy talk’ mumbo jumbo that is popular right now, but has no relation to how actual psychiatry works.

    I knew a woman who was like that

    Ah here’s the crux of the issue. You knew a WOMAN. You don’t know men.

    He isn’t like my female friend at all. She had to really care for you to try to convince you of her sociopathy, in order to protect you from herself. You’d have to be cared for so much, that it broke the wall separating her conscious from her unconscious. This was the closest she could get to an expression of love – to momentarily break free of those bounds, solely in order to desperately keep that loved one away.

    More mumbo jumbo that makes no sense lol

    Laxa, I suggest you write less particularly about topics you don’t understand and listen more. This is another reason why I do not think women should work – they develop big egos but don’t actually know anything beyond a small specialized field.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  433. AaronB says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Great point, that psychopaths go to extreme lengths to disguise their true nature – and this should be a clue to what women – and people in general – truly want!

    In fact, psychopaths “seduce” women by simulating unqualified love – it’s called “love bombing”, and is the opening stage in every psychopathic attempt to “manipulate” women. It’s famous in the literature.

    Not dominating. Not acting macho. Not acting tough. Not being the strongest man. Being the most loving man! Later, once she is hooked on something so few of us ever truly get – unqualified love – this is used to manipulate and control. But they always lead with “love bombing”.

    If PUAs read up on how “dark triad” people and psychopaths actually seduce women – by precisely disguising their dark triad traits and simulating the most loving, caring, charming, healthy, balanced man, by being the most extreme “too good to be true” version of a loving man, they might actually learn what women truly want!

    When people hear that “dark triad” trait men are successful with women, they – in a simplistic, linear fashion – assume it is precisely those traits that women like. Yet they fail to notice that one of the three traits is precisely deception and disguise! How stupid can one be to miss that the success comes from concealing dark triad traits?

    I had heard so little of PUA lately I thought it was a passing cultural fad, although our Western diseases see to hit the Sinosphere with a lag time.

    I think today, many immature young men must go through this PUA phase. Ultimately, most grow out of it for the simple reason that it isn’t fun. It’s more fun to be authentic and vulnerable. It’s boring to be calculating all the time. It’s fun to be spontaneous. It’s fun to have genuine relationships based on kindness. And ultimately, the psychic cost in loss of self-respect from faking oneself becomes too high.

    Like the Left, PUA will die because it is constricting, stifling, confining, and against human nature and what it truly enjoys.

    • Agree: Yevardian
  434. @Xi-jinping

    And what does ‘communicate in a more effective manner’ even mean? That is just word salad

    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

    You are on a board which has commenters who are far more sympathetic to your persona than is the mainstream; yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.

    I also don’t think that anyone has the impression that you are this ultra-successful, extremely dashing and wise Chad, that you want them to believe.

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively means.

    • LOL: Xi-jinping
  435. Aedib says:

    Russia just tested the S-500 against a ICBM-warhead like target.

  436. @Daniel Chieh

    you find that the interiors of living things are extremely chaotic.

    First, it’s not the whole picture. The second law of thermodynamics applies when no outside energy is used. When energy is taken from one part of the Universe and used to increase order in another part (living things), net result is still an increase in overall disorder, but it does not contradict local order. Living things use external energy to maintain their order.

    Second, it isn’t chaos inside the cell, even though all molecules move by Brownian motion. While their movements are random, their interactions upon random encounters are not: molecules “fit” each other (often in particular functional states, like active conformation, or with certain post-translational modifications), and more stable complexes are formed when they fit, whereas when they don’t their encounter is “hit and run”. The formation of select complexes of molecules, which have the functions that individual molecules did not, is the order that distinguishes life from non-living matter.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  437. @Xi-jinping

    In a healthier and more beautiful society (like say that of the Ancient Greeks), people like AP would be ostracized for their envy.

    AP is literally of aristocratic extraction. In a better world, he is a nobleman.

    • Thanks: AP
    • LOL: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    , @sher singh
  438. @Triteleia Laxa

    Reading your exchanges with various commenters reminded me of a Russian joke:
    Because of a lockdown I had to spend several days with my wife. To my surprise, I discovered that she is a remarkably intelligent woman.

    • Agree: mal
    • LOL: Triteleia Laxa
  439. Alfa158 says:
    @songbird

    That level of genetic manipulation is indeed still science fiction. We haven’t even been able to isolate precisely enough which genes have which effect, or to edit the genetic code to that level of precision.

    Also, if we did have that technology there would be no need to use Australian Aborigines or any other particular group as the starting point. You would be able to do it with any humans. The science fiction story would end up being about countries all over the world competing in a genetic arms race to produce more and more capable people.

    That was basically the premise of that classic Star Trek episode. The genetically modified super humans of all nations and races decided it didn’t make sense to continue to serve the inferior humans who created them, and organized into an independent group headed by Khan.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @songbird
  440. @AnonFromTN

    Yes, actually, the rest of the article discusses that. Ultimately life does increase entropy, it just “pumps it” out to somewhere else, thus increasing the overall entropy of the universe to increase local order.

    I believe that the article refers to it in a relative way: the molecules move with much more chaos compared to electricity in a microtransmitter and how that much be precisely regulated.

  441. @Triteleia Laxa

    It means that you communicate in a way which is understood as intended.

    Its understood by almost everyone but you. Why? Because you are a woman, and probably shouldn’t be on this forum.

    yet I seem to be the only one who has the desire to treat you with sympathy.

    LOL cute. I don’t care for your ‘sympathy’ *facepalm*

    You are playing to the closest thing you may ever have to a crowd which is open to your performance, and nobody is buying it. This is what communicating ineffectively mean

    LOL. What performance? Honestly sounds like penis envy.

    I feel like Laxa has penis envy and any outpouring of masculine virilism is met with the her desire to put a stop to it.

    This female desire to kick men in the dick whether literally

    By censorsing male speech

    Taking men’s money in a divorce

    Or just shitting on masculine excess

    Women don’t have a phallus so they are always trying to rob men of having one while trying to become the phallus.

    So basically women want to ban the masculine while becoming a cum-less impotent dildo version of it

    The erect penis is despised by the woman for its virility and ability to upset the sterile corporate status quo. However women have no problem giving each other infertile dildos.

    Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.

  442. @Xi-jinping

    I am sorry that you feel despised by women.

    • LOL: Xi-jinping
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    , @sher singh
  443. @Daniel Chieh

    He may be from noble stock, but he is not of noble character or body or spirit.

    In the Platonic conception of society, nobility has a physical and spiritual component. Judging by APs comments regarding a beautiful physique (and in general), he is not aristocratic in demeanor at all.

    Neither is he aristocratic in the Evolian sense. He lacks any sort of nobility of the soul or virility. I cannot fathom how anyone can see him as an ‘aristocrat’

    So I think that my assessment is correct – in a more beautiful (platonic/evolian) world he would be ostracized or turned into a peasant.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  444. @Alfa158

    Weren’t the Augments literally the results of secret eugenic experiments, probably with old-fashioned breeding methods? I always assumed it was so, with mass infanticide of failures and trait selection, basically like dog breeding. Racial traits would probably matter there and some degree of inbreeding would be expected.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  445. @Triteleia Laxa

    I am sorry you have penis envy and hate everything virile and masculine. I can’t imagine how this envy must feel.

  446. AaronB says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Oh, I would be quite happy returning to the Stone Age 🙂 The activities I most enjoy are perfectly consistent with a Stone Age lifestyle.

    However, reintegration with nature need not entail the loss of technology or even prevent developing it more. It would just mean the loss of the idea that we are seperate from nature and must dominate it.

    At its roots, the scientific method is a thing of beautiful humility designed to work with nature and not against it. Basically, it’s the humility of accepting we don’t know and accepting the teachings of nature.

    It’s science as a social institution, that has become so rapacious and destructive.

    Of course, if there is a social apocalypse than yes, we may well lose most of our technological know how, like happened with Rome. But the analogy I find most convincing is a gradual decline into a Byzantine Empire.

    Already, society seems to have decided it wants security more than genuine novelty and breakthrough. Peer review is designed to substitute consensus – which is always hostile to genuine originality – for bold, innovative, paradigm challenging thinking.

    So as a civilization we have basically already killed Faustian science by choice – we just haven’t caught up to this yet.

    Just as Nietzsche in the 19th century said we killed God but the knowledge hadn’t reached us yet, we’ve already killed our belief in Faustian science – bureaucracy, peer review, etc are society choosing safety and familiarity over bold innovation.

    So once again, we’ve already killed our “God”. But perhaps Gods always have to be periodically killed? Perhaps one meaning of the Jesus story – and there are surely many layers – is that mankind always eventually kills it’s God, and that this is necessary for new spirituality to be born. After all, Jesus’ death was an essential part in bringing a new spirituality into the world.

    So barring serious collapse, which I think is unlikely, I think we will slowly transition into a new paradigm that is away from the old story of domination of nature. We have already killed our old God and are now in an interregnum period.

    But of course, radical loss of technical know how is also a possibility – in my view, quite ok 🙂

    • Thanks: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  447. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    There is a dichotomy in your posts that you may not be aware of. On the one hand you talk about effective communication and are willing to wildly speculate about personal things that we simply cannot know. But I recall your robust defence of the Western bombers around the world by claiming that reading too much into their motivations – other than what they said: we are spreading freedom – is preposterous. You also in a conformist way defend the official C19-vaccination position (but lots of people do that).

    You always seem to identify with the mainstream and are comfortable as conformist with some quirks. Try to be more skeptical about mainstream narratives and less skeptical about personal motivations. People in the past with that profile were often enthusiastic enforcers of ideological orthodoxy. Try to close the dichotomy by shifting your skepticism from personal to mainstream. It is more interesting that way.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  448. utu says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    Who do you prefer? Person who hides behind a sociopathic masks or true sociopath who is undetectable? Would a true sociopath to even further reduce detection by people as keen as you put a mask of a sociopath to throw you off so you would think he is just an insecure person who has mother issues?

    Or is this all about Daniel Chieh who rubs you wrong way and you would really want very badly to call him a perfectly camouflaged sociopath? Daniel Chieh has been found out long time ago and his case is very simple: He is Mowgli who was raised by machines.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  449. @Daniel Chieh

    There’s no such thing as ChristCuck nobility.
    The world exists; you can either take it or lay awaiting a man, Hijrey||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  450. mal says:
    @songbird

    Well it was just a suborbital flight, Bezos is not a threat yet. 🙂

    But going down that particular rabbit hole, it was an interesting coincidence when Zuckerberg’s satellite to provide internet for remote people blew up atop a SpaceX rocket and then SpaceX launched Starlink ostensibly to also provide internet for remote people. And Googles’ balloons project to the same end got canceled recently.

    Meanwhile, in other “private space entrepreneurship” news, US military is feasting on Momentus corpse while suing the exiled Russian.

    Momentus announced July 14 it hired John Rood as its new chief executive, effective Aug. 1. Rood was an executive at Lockheed Martin and Raytheon who served as undersecretary of defense for policy from 2018 to 2020. Dawn Harms, who has been serving as interim chief executive since January, will return to her original position with the company as chief revenue officer.

    The company also added to the board Kimberly Reed, former chair of the Ex-Im Bank; Mitch Kugler, managing partner at Haystack Strategy Partners LLC; and Linda Reiners, former vice president for corporate strategic ventures at Lockheed Martin.

    https://spacenews.com/investors-drop-out-of-momentus-spac-deal/

    Dawn Harms is a Strong Independent Woman from Boeing Defense.

    Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, aside from Northorp, all the US heavy hitters are feasting on the corpse of foolish Russian.

    As far as technical complaints go, expecting perfection from a silly startup is unrealistic and everybody knows that. Their plasma oven worked 3 times out of planned 100, which is 3 times more than expected on first launch. Hence the interest from the MIC.

    https://qz.com/2033684/former-momentus-ceo-mikhail-kokorich-denies-spac-fraud-charges/

    • Replies: @songbird
  451. @Triteleia Laxa

    You are probably a white woman approaching middle age with at least 1 white son.
    Therefore, you are trying to put down POC masculinity to give him an advantage,

    There is no freedom brought by white men or western society, you are a racist. Kneel & repent

    https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

    https://akarlin.com/2009/09/struggle-europe-mankind/

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  452. @Beckow

    On the one hand you talk about effective communication and are willing to wildly speculate about personal things that we simply cannot know. But I recall your robust defence of the Western bombers around the world by claiming that reading too much into their motivations – other than what they said: we are spreading freedom

    Two points here.

    1. It is easier to engage with someone’s individuality, when you are actually engaging with an individual.

    2. Before moving past someone’s external justification, I find it best to establish that their given justification doesn’t satisfactorily explain their behaviour, given their stated beliefs and what they knew at the time of making the decision. People are logically consistent a lot of the time!

    The Iraq War, in support of creating an Iraqi equivalent of the German miracle, was entirely consistent with the expressed ideology of the ruling class. It was the “no child left behind” act for the Middle East.

    The interesting question is not “why did people support the Iraq War?” Their ideology is a logically consistent answer for that. It is why have they doubled down on their ideology, even though the Iraq War disproved it? That’s where the darkness and irrationality are.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Beckow
  453. @Xi-jinping

    Women are phalusless (gay impotent) and the more women are in an organization there are they (impotent gay phalusless) the organization is.

    I don’t know if that’s true, but one of the funnier observations I remember from being in many groups is that female dominated groups typically end up as lesbian/transexual led groups, with the funniest example being that the “XX” subreddit apparently having almost its entire moderation staff consisting of MtF transexuals. And of course, le discord moderator jokes – which seems validated in my experience.

    In this, we learn that apparently, men are the best women. 😛

    • LOL: sher singh
    • Replies: @Pericles
  454. Alfa158 says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    In the sixties the human genome had not been mapped and there were no real genetic manipulation technologies, so the writers fell back on selective eugenic breeding as an off-hand explanation for the Augments. Of course the time scale of the projects would have only been a few decades which is at best a couple of human generations, so it would never have worked in practice.
    In the rebooted movie version they changed it to genetic engineering. Of course they also had Benedict Cumberbatch playing someone named Khan Noonan Singh so obviously the engineering must have included a lot of cosmetic changes as well as the functional ones.

    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
  455. @Triteleia Laxa

    Their ideology doesn’t forgive them for their crimes, and 1mil illegals since Jan proves that.

    Same state-led totalitarian thinking as Oy Vey Sikhs resist so they must be calling for genocide.

    Anyway, coin flip whether you Anglo or Jewish

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  456. @utu

    Would a true sociopath to even further reduce detection by people as keen as you put a mask of a sociopath to throw you off so you would think he is just an insecure person who has mother issues?

    You don’t smuggle a virus into a country under the cover of a military attachment. You don’t hide your sociopathy by telling everyone that you are a sociopath. That type of double bluff only works in extremely simple situations.

    Sorry for the aggressive sounding description below. It is from a film!

    If you and I played a game, with two cups of wine, one which I could poison. Would you drink the one I placed closest to you, or furthest?

    I would advise you drink neither, as I would obviously poison both to ensure that I won.

    Best not to get into a game based on whether you’re a sociopath, if you are one. Best not to make yourself an obvious search target, if you’re carrying a deadly virus.

    Who do you prefer? Person who hides behind a sociopathic masks or true sociopath who is undetectable?

    They both deserve love, but the latter can probably only be helped by God.

    Daniel Chieh has been found out long time ago and his case is very simple: He is Mowgli who was raised by machines.

    That’s funny, but I don’t think that he is a sociopath at all. He just seems to really like order, to an inhuman level, which is not good for most people.

  457. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Beckow

    Our quality of life is basically available resources divided by population, having fewer people with the same resources is hardly a catastrophe.

    There are potentially a lot of upsides to demographic decline. If managed carefully.

    The obsession with trying to increase birth rates is almost certainly futile and in the long term would be counter-productive if it worked.

    • Replies: @mal
  458. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Xi-jinping

    I do not see why technological development would inevitably lead to change in gender roles.

    Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles.

    I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.

    Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people’s whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.

    Technology changes society drastically.

  459. @A123

    Coronavirus hysteria proved to employers that you do not have to gather office workers to one central downtown location. And, workers have rediscovered the joy & benefits of not being downtown.

    Some jobs can, some jobs can’t, and much of the difference is because of Zoom meetings.

    • Replies: @A123
  460. @dfordoom

    Not really, the very people most likely to develop those technology are those most (culturally) affected by them।।

  461. @dfordoom

    The way these technologies are employed or even designed are conditioned by social arrangements. Going back to my original point.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
  462. mal says:
    @dfordoom

    Those who manage demographic decline go extinct, future belongs to those who increase birth rates.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  463. @Triteleia Laxa

    So, Anglo-Canadian from Rural Ontario.

    First image didn’t load, btw.

    Anyway,

    • Replies: @AP
  464. AP says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    I find that he veils his political platform behind the vaguest analogies I’ve ever read, makes a few barely relevant anecdotal observations

    His analogies seem to be rather clear and correct, and moreover beautifully written, at least to me. He’s just pointing out that hierarchies are omnipresent, and they increase in complexity as society becomes more complex and beautiful.

    the problem with you calling him a “sociopath” before, an accurate description of his persona, is that it is exactly what he is trying to convince you is actually him. You are validating his false identity. He obviously isn’t a sociopath in the “I just use people and haver no feelings sense”, because he would hide it.

    You make a good case but I still think the chances are 50/50 either way. If he were bright you would more likely be correct. But he is a simpleton. I would also add some narcissism into the mix. So he is too simple to hide himself, and to understand that it is funny and pathetic for someone to brag about spending a lot of time in the gym exercising for the sake of being able to serve as a living dildo for hundreds of loose women. And he is narcissistic enough to want to brag about this “triumph.”

    But it is equally likely that he is a clueless guy who is putting on a sad show. In which case I wish him the very best in changing and improving.

    • Thanks: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  465. @dfordoom

    I think that improvements in mass media technology (from movies to TV to cable TV to the internet) inevitably led to changes in gender roles. They exposed women to the idea that different options existed.

    You are confusing cause and effect – “the cause” that leads women to being ‘exposed to the idea that different options exist’ comes about as a result of how this technology is employed.

    If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children – that is what they will believe.

    If I show the opposite – then that is what women believe.

    Its in the manner that the tool is employed that matters.

    Improvements in contraceptive technology are an example of technological development inevitably leading to changes in gender roles

    .

    Contraceptive technology would lead to a decline in fertility but would not lead to changes in gender roles, as it did not (and does not) in many traditional societies or in the USSR for example.

    The cultural software plays a big role in how contraceptives are viewed.

    Improvements in transportation technology (first railways then cars) changed people’s whole concept of what a community was, which in turn inevitably led to changes in gender roles.

    Another way of looking at it is that improvements in transportation technology changed how food can be distributed meaning it became even easier for women to have kids as they didn’t need to work in the fields anymore as they did in the past.

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @dfordoom
  466. @AP

    But he is a simpleton. I would also add some narcissism into the mix

    Judging by your comments on this site as a whole, I think you describe yourself. You were called a sophist at one point – where you not? And I think for good reason.

    brag about spending a lot of time in the gym exercising for the sake of being able to serve as a living dildo for hundreds of loose women.

    Firstly you put words in my mouth that I never said. I said I workout, but never specified my motivations.

    Like I said, you are too simple to realize that you are envious of a person with a great body because you do not have the discipline to get off your ass and exercise, and likely weren’t popular with women in your youth – hence are jealous of those who are – because I promise you if you had the opportunity to be with many beautiful women you would have taken it. But you didn’t, so here you are with Sour Grape Syndrome.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: AP
  467. @Xi-jinping

    Evola had many, many interesting ideas, including the hollow Earth people and other deeply enjoyable fiction, but I think that he would not be opposed to the notion that an aristocrat would have to be a leader of men, especially in military affairs.

    It so happens that at least since the medieval era, effective leadership has a lot less to do with the volume of one’s voice or even personal prowess, but the ability to coordinate information, work with a number of individuals, and accurately make decisions under pressure. An army marches on its stomach, as it is said, and I think that Napoleon and Frederick and Wellington and perhaps the entire general history of the Roman legionary have all shown that to be true, much more than the notion of an army that marches upon its biceps or genitals, however protuberant or vast they may be.

    So in think that your assessment is quite wrong, because you are looking at the wrong metrics to measure an aristocrat’s effectiveness by.

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  468. @Xi-jinping

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.

    Exactly.

    If I show women that careerism is the only choice and use mass media to make fun of having children – that is what they will believe.

    If I show the opposite – then that is what women believe.

    Yes, if merchants are in power – then career women
    If Brahmins – then muh STEM grilz bro
    Kshatriyas – then:

    • Thanks: Xi-jinping
  469. @AaronB

    The activities I most enjoy are perfectly consistent with a Stone Age lifestyle.

    A stone age lifestyle is characterized by rule by sheer strength – might is right. The only law is the law of the jungle – an eye for an eye and what you can take and hold. And men’s minds where ruled by both superstition and wonder. Something that no longer exists.

    From your previous comments on this thread, you do not subscribe to this view and thus you do not support a stone age lifestyle as you abhor any form of might.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AaronB
  470. @Xi-jinping

    A stone age lifestyle is characterized by rule by sheer strength – might is right. The only law is the law of the jungle – an eye for an eye and what you can take and hold.

    No, AaronB is talking about hunter-gatherer bands.

    Hunter-gatherers lacked the resources for significant warfare capacity. You can look at the wandering tribes of Native Americans – who had quite brutal histories, but the populations were really quite small and so the actual scope of murder was surprisingly limited. They did have brutal warfare at times, much as even chimpanzees did, but they did not have the resources and time to specialize individuals into a dedicated soldier-caste.

    It would really take agriculture for that to happen – the start of settled chiefdoms, which allowed for wealth to exist in the form of grain, and the existence of a strongman chiefdom and an entourage of warriors, where you get things like the Fierce People and 70-80% mortality among men by warfare.

    I think Aaron has voiced at times an opposition to agriculture. This idea is also echoed by the novel “Ishmael” by Daniel Quinn, that settled life and agriculture led to a vast change in society and exploitation of nature(of “Takers” going beyond “Leavers.”)

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  471. @utu

    Daniel Chieh has been found out long time ago and his case is very simple: He is Mowgli who was raised by machines.

    Mowgli of prairies, history books and I suppose some MMOs.

  472. AP says:
    @sudden death

    So is poor Belarus now stuck with these Iraqis that Lukashenko has imported for the purpose of spoiling Lithuania?

    • Replies: @sudden death
  473. AP says:
    @sher singh

    Anglos, who are hardly known for their land-based military prowess, were able to cross the global and to rule and dominate your people for about two centuries. Little Scotland and Ireland put up more of a struggle against them.

  474. Pericles says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    WASHINGTON—After decades spent battling gender discrimination and inequality in the workplace, the feminist movement underwent a high-level shake-up last month, when 53-year-old management consultant Peter “Buck” McGowan took over as new chief of the worldwide initiative for women’s rights. …

    … McGowan claimed that one of the main reasons [NOW] enjoyed so little success in the past was that the previous management was often too timid and passive and should have been much more results-focused.

    “You can’t waste time pussyfooting around with protests and getting all emotional about a bunch of irrelevant details,” McGowan said. “If you want to enjoy equal rights, you have to have a real man-to-man chat with the people in charge until you can hammer out some more equitable custody laws.”

    “And don’t get me started on how disorganized and scatterbrained their old fundraising methods were,” McGowan added. “Let’s just say the movement never really had a head for numbers.” …

    https://www.theonion.com/man-finally-put-in-charge-of-struggling-feminist-moveme-1819569515

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  475. @Daniel Chieh

    The Evolian conception of aristocracy and nobility had nothing to do with what you mentioned. Which is why I suggest you read “Revolt Against the Modern World”. But I will briefly summarize his conception of aristocracy. Aristocracy in his conception was primairly spiritual. As was the concept of race. He was was racist in so much as different races where archetypes for a particular person. For example a negro/jew is viewed as a somebody that is petty, conniving and lying. The exact opposite of an aristocrat of the soul.

    According to Evola, modern man lacks a laundry list of virtues, but only two are absolutely essential for societal health and success. These are the virtue types that correspond to what Julius Evola termed “True Virility.” They are, Heroism (warrior bravery) and Asceticism (transcendent discipline). Without some measure of these two components, man will fail to achieve true manhood.

    Those with a shard of this “True Virility” are termed “Aristocrats of the soul” or are aristocratic in general.

    According to this definition, AP is not aristocratic. As I have said.

    but the ability to coordinate information, work with a number of individuals, and accurately make decision

    And yet AP is a sophist and frequently presents incorrect information as ‘correct’ information, and dismissing facts to the contrary if it does not suit his narrative – as my previous debates with him have shown. So even by this metric he falls short.

    much more than the notion of an army that marches upon its biceps or genitals, however protuberant or vast they may be

    Logistics and coordination is important – but if we speak of Roman legions or Greek hoplites – often they would refuse to follow those who did not exhibit heroic qualities and promote those who did to emperor. As we saw with Juilius Casear for example.

    Then again, much of the aristocracy didn’t engage in leadership, much of it was just small time landowners who didn’t even have any peasant working for them and didn’t even fight. And if they did, it was mostly as foot soldiers. In other words most of the medieval aristocracy was useless. And if AP was a big name, he sure as hell wouldn’t be living a middle class life in America.

    • Replies: @AP
  476. @Daniel Chieh

    Hunter-gatherers lacked the resources for significant warfare capacity.

    Look at the yamamato tribes. They engage in constant warfare with their neighbors for resources – mainly women. They are ruled by a band of strongmen (the mightiest warriors). This was the case for hunter gatherer bands in general in the stone age – which is what I was referring to.

    individuals into a dedicated soldier-caste.

    Again, look at the yamamato tribes – they have a dedicated soldier caste that rule the tribes and fathers want to marry off their daughters to this caste. These are not city states.

    the start of settled chiefdoms, which allowed for wealth to exist in the form of grain, and the existence of a strongman chiefdom and an entourage of warriors, where you get things like the Fierce People and 70-80% mortality among men by warfare.

    Hunter gatherer societies were based around a group of men who had sufficient strength and knowledge to defend their tribe from slaughter by wild animals or other tribes (for example to take their women). Those men who could not participate in warfare where of lower status.

    https://www.artofmanliness.com/articles/the-yanomamo-and-the-origins-of-male-honor/

  477. songbird says:
    @mal

    Bezos might be too useful to state intelligence agencies, for anyone to consider offing at the moment. But if Musk’s secret plan for orbital weapons platforms fails, then becoming everyone’s ISP is a heck of a back up plan for world dom. Imagine having your finger on the Netflix button.

    Going back to the thread where lack of evidence of aliens was brought up: someone just discovered a moonlet with a 14 mile diameter in orbit around Jupiter. And only because of its albedo. Imagine if it was painted black, one tenth the size, or further out than Pluto. Even something the size of Keppler could probably see technosignatures from further out.

    • Agree: mal
  478. @Xi-jinping

    Yamamato, the “Fierce People”, are obviously not mobile hunter-gatherer tribes. I have studied them for some time, among other things, I’ve even watched the original Napoleon Chagnon video of them. They are sometimes seen as the classic form of a chiefdom, and are very settled.

    Their longhouse(shabono):

    Note the existence of walls, clear evidence of significant settlement as well as necessity to defend.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabono

    Yanomami crops, which is based around slash and burn agriculture:

    http://victorenglebertphotography.blogspot.com/2014/11/brazil-yanomami-slash-and-burn.html

    The Yanomami can be classified as foraging horticulturalists, depending heavily on rainforest resources; they use slash-and-burn horticulture, grow bananas, gather fruit, and hunt animals and fish. Crops compose up to 75% of the calories in the Yanomami diet.

    Yanomami usage of dry foods:

    They have an entire process to make cassava edible, but I remember reading as a child that they also process other roots in the same way to make flour. With the existence of flour is the ability to storage food for long periods of time, which is the basis of wealth.

    So yes, they are a highly violent settled population. They are not roving tribes: those would be people like the Hadza, the !Kung Bushmen, etc. Such tribes have no use for extra population, so they can’t kidnap anyone, and since they don’t use flour, they can’t save food. They basically lack the concept of wealth, or any real ability to hold territory. They do have status games and importance, and men are ranked by their ability to bring in high value food, but their population are too small for warfare.

    As for Evola:

    It was Evola’s custom to walk around the city of Vienna during bombing raids in order to better “ponder his destiny”. During one such raid, 1945, a shell fragment damaged his spinal cord and he became paralyzed from the waist down, remaining so for the rest of his life.

    As a kind of Hermetic, I do like him but I think he allowed his worship of the Sun element to be a bit too extensive. The Jupiterian aspect, without counterbalance, can lead one to some unusual ideas into hubris.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Xi-Jinping
    , @Morton's toes
  479. A123 says:
    @Yellowface Anon

    Coronavirus hysteria proved to employers that you do not have to gather office workers to one central downtown location. And, workers have rediscovered the joy & benefits of not being downtown.

    Some jobs can, some jobs can’t, and much of the difference is because of Zoom meetings.

    Nothing is 100%, however moving 50% of the jobs out of urban core areas is more than enough to do severe damage to SJW City Primacy dogma.

    Companies have had CISCO WebEx meetings long before Zoom or FaceTime. Similarly, the ability to e-sign documents has been around for awhile. What changed is firms modifying their systems & processes to make these things standard options. Now a whole swath of businesses (senders & receivers) fully anticipate less physical and more electronic contact… No one wants to go back to the bad old days, especially since the next pandemic scare is just around the corner…

    Ε ε Epsilon
    Ζ ζ Zeta
    Η η Eta
    Θ θ Theta

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    https://xkcd.com/2491/
     

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  480. Beckow says:
    @Triteleia Laxa

    …easier to engage with someone’s individuality

    Why do things that are easier?

    …why have they doubled down on their ideology, even though the Iraq War disproved it?

    To a more skeptical person that suggests that their expressed ideology was not their true motivation. It is a classical chicken-and-egg situation. I find it hard to believe that you sincerely buy the neo-con German miracle in Iraq argument. To say that it is consistent is meaningless, propaganda campaigns can be consistent and not reflect true goals. For example, Washington-London almost certainly had their eyes on a naval base in Crimea – but they would not announce it. It is called deception, and it is quite valued among the ruling classes – they don’t think we should know certain things…

    You doubt individuals but claim to believe that state narratives are sincere. An odd position for anyone with a decent IQ, are you by a chance a mid-wit?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Triteleia Laxa
  481. @Xi-jinping

    Rare photo from personal archives:

    There’s something just amazingly entertaining about drugged-up tribals in loinclothes with modern weapons counterposed with red warpaint & bows and arrows.

    Brazil, what a place.

  482. @Daniel Chieh

    food, but their population are too small for warfare.

    I suggest you read the article then. They may not be nomadic tribes but they are far from an agricultural civilization. In the article I posted it says that what surproised Chagnon the most was the ever present pervasive state of warfare the tribes had. Also, roving bands of gatherers have non-permanent settlements sinilar to nomads. This is more applicable to the Yanomamo. But point is that even though population where small, they all still fought constantly.

    As a kind of Hermetic, I do like him but I think he allowed his worship of the Sun element to be a bit too extensive. The Jupiterian aspect, without counterbalance, can lead one to some unusual ideas into hubris.

    Yes I agree, however this was not the reason I brought up Evola. He has a very good definition of Aristocracy that was applicable to the situation.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Svevlad
  483. songbird says:
    @Alfa158

    It is sad that practically the only biorealistic episode of Star Trek was a denouncement of eugenics. And I think it also goes without saying that eugenics war or no eugenics war, meeting superior aliens would automatically lead to eugenics programs.

    BTW, I am still waiting for a scifi show that makes an honest exploration of HBD. I cannot think of one that doesn’t somehow pimp diversity and blank-slatism.

  484. @Xi-Jinping

    Yanomamo populations are not small. You could do just a quick google to see that they number in tens of thousands in a few hundred villages, with hundreds of people per village. They get most of their nutrition from crops, so yes, um…they are agricultural, literally dependent on them.

    They fight because there’s profit in it.

    Roving hunter gatherers have populations of less than a hundred per band.

    They don’t fight because there’s no profit in it.

  485. A123 says:
    @Beckow

    For example, Washington-London almost certainly had their eyes on a naval base in Crimea – but they would not announce it.

    Why would Washington or London want such useless & indefensible thing? Neither wants to be more dependent on Erdogan’s control of the Bosporous.

    Given Merkel’s expansive hate and aggression, perhaps Berlin wanted an ego legacy base in Crimea. Even that seems like a reach though.

    (sarc) Ukraine paid a great deal of money to Being Biden via his son Burisma Biden. That points at trying to obtain a CCP base in Crimea. (/sarc)

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
  486. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I like that you say we are not in control; recognizing this is a part of our reintegration into nature. The idea that we can stand outside of nature and control it is responsible for much of the mischief in the modern world.

    I agree that knowledge does not destroy wonder, if it’s limitations and proper role are respected. But it is also important to recognize that knowledge is not superior to wonder; the highest state is wonder, not knowledge, because cognition is necessarily reduction of complexity to relatively simple categories and concepts.

    If we do this with humility and discretion, knowledge is no enemy of wonder. And the scientific method itself is a beautifully humble thing. Science as a social institution, however, has surrendered to the reductionist tendency; nature is “nothing but” so and so, and what is beyond our mental categories is considered unreal. We have a responsibility to be on our guard against this tendency.

    I agree that nature has purposes of it’s own, but our likes and dislikes are important guides to what nature wants and expects of us. We have been too dismissive of our desires. If we “feel good” under primitivism, and suffer, wilt, and decline under scientific modernity, we are placing ourselves as the controller and disregarding the clear signals we are getting from nature.

    That in .02% of human history, primitivism has been crushed by modernity cannot be the basis of sweeping conclusions. Modernity itself now produces anomie and dysfunction, and our way of life is clearly not sustainable. That we arrogantly ignore our “bad feelings” under modernity and insist we know better is to believe that we are the ones controlling things. And even our rational minds tell us the technological life is not sustainable long term. We are destroying the planet, and making ourselves miserable.

    But there is no need to choose between modernity and primitivism, and our feelings – so despised in modern science – are our only reliable guide to building a world that is actually fulfilling and doesn’t produce the anomie of modernity, without sacrificing the power needed to withstand rendering us fragile.

    For instance, modern architecture is ugly, boring, and humanly unfulfilling. It is this way not for any reason of scientific necessity but entirely because of ideology; it is supposed to reflect our progression into logical abstraction. This has nothing to do with science as a method but is science as an ideology.

    What is needed is not to choose between abstraction and feeling – the division, the split, at the heart of modern anomie – but to unite them. In short, what is needed is to rescue the scientific method from the metaphysics of “division” in which it was arose and is still embedded.

    Perhaps that’s our next stage forward – to reclaim our human nature – and connection to nature – without abandoning science. In a way, it is to rescue a gem from mud.

    As to what I claim is or isn’t possible, this isn’t a counsel of despair, although it can sometimes seem like one. When I say it is “impossible” to have one thing without another it is merely of the same order of logic as saying 2+2 cannot = 5. This is “impossible” because 4 is merely another way of saying 2+2. It isn’t really the “result” of two plus two – merely a restatement.

    What is happening here is we are confusing language with the real world. When we say “good” we are also saying “evil” – what we really mean is good-evil. They are one unit.

    It isn’t a question about what is possible in the real world, but of clearing up confusions about our use of language.

    As for not being a counsel of despair, seeking fulfillment in an error of language is a ultimately a counsel of despair, and has led to rejection of nature and to the war against our own selves. Divided from ourselves, we silt and die.

    To heal is to become “whole” – to accept our full natures, the good and the bad. No longer at war with ourselves, our energies are freed to flourish.

    You are basically telling me that one half of reality and nature is “bad” and must be eradicated and fought against, that our own natures are divided and we must be fought against; from this comes contempt for our feelings of pleasure.

    I am telling you that all of nature must be embraced and accepted, including our own. That none of it is “bad” – that’s a mistake of language . Which is the more hopeful and joyous message? And which will lead to more energy and creativity? Connection to the whole or being divided and weakened and in perpetual war?

    Nietzsche had a great line – to become better we must become more evil. On the moralistic level this is superficial, but on the psychological level it’s profound. When we embrace the “bad” aspects of our nature we become whole, the weak and flawed aspects, we release tremendous energy.

    And remember what Blake said – “Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to Human existence.From these contraries spring what the religious call Good & Evil. Good is the passive that obeys Reason. Evil is the active springing from Energy.”

    Eradicating one side will doom us to a joyless stagnation.

    Yes, to strive boldly and to be ever more curious – but to strive for what? Control and domination, reducing the infinite richness of existence to familiar categories, of denying and rejecting one half of existence? Or to strive boldly for a life that is whole and complete, to be curious not so that we can reduce infinite riches to simple categories, but to so that we can marvel at it’s richness and revel in it?

  487. AP says:
    @Xi-jinping

    The Evolian conception of aristocracy and nobility

    LOL. Evola was the descendant of a carpenter on his father’s side and a shopkeeper on his mother’s side. His claim of being a “baron” was theatrical pretense, based on the fact that there once existed a D’Evoli baronial family that died out (merged into the D’Afflitto family) sometime during the middle ages.

    So we have here on Unz the spectacle of a proud human dildo taking lessons in “aristocracy” from a shopkeeper’s and carpenter’s grandson.

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Svevlad
  488. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I agree with this comment.

    Life does indeed create order, but it is not the cold abstraction of human logic, but a warm, spontaneous, biological order; that is life.

    It is an order of infinite riches, not reduction into a dozen or so relatively simple categories that are familiar to us. We humans can and should participate in this manner of life creating order, but the abstract order we have been pursuing is closer to a sterile entropy.

    And yet the scientific method in it’s purity can be the basis of a new kind of science that isn’t about reduction or sterile abstraction. After all, “true” science encompasses all that “is”, not a half or a part.

    Perhaps we can even say that science in it’s highest sense has not yet even begun – and to begin we must first heal the split and division that was it’s evil twin at the time of it’s birth?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  489. Svevlad says:
    @Xi-Jinping

    The Yanomano aren’t really a good example because their warfare is ritualized at this point. It’s more “showing off” and a ritual rather than some mass slaughtering you imagine

  490. Svevlad says:
    @songbird

    BTW, I am still waiting for a scifi show that makes an honest exploration of HBD. I cannot think of one that doesn’t somehow pimp diversity and blank-slatism.

    Simple – even if it existed, the eternal mediaroach would rather jump into a hand-cranked meat grinder with pain amplifiers than let it air.

    • Replies: @songbird
  491. A123 says:
    @songbird

    The closest you are like you are likely to get is Andromeda:
        • Captain Hunt’s mother was g-spliced for heavy gravity
        • Bekka Valentine’s father was g-spliced for piloting
        • Tyr Anastasia was a uber g-spliced Nietzschean

    The only “normal” human on the show was the engineer, Seamus Zelazny Harper, who suffered from a huge number of problems associated with his weak genes. Identify the non-engineered human male in the cast shot below [MORE] Hint, he’s the really short one.

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]

     

     

    • Replies: @A123
    , @songbird
  492. Svevlad says:
    @AP

    Really, calling someone’s aristocracy into question while living in Europe is… pretty unwise. Thanks to feudal western hyper-autism, now if you’re 1/1024 western European, you’re a direct descendant of some aristocrat.

    Then again, he argued for aristocracy being more of an abstract, spiritual thing rather than lineage. Which fits in the ancient Greek model better, after all, seeing that “aristocracy” means “rule of the best/most virtuous” and not “rule of a bunch of people who are descended from some other people”

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Pericles
  493. Beckow says:
    @A123

    Crimea is a strategic marvel, you can literally reach from there most of Middle East, Europe, Mediterranean, Caucasus, Russia, etc…You can place missiles there, have air bases, etc… Erdogan is a tough customer, but he nevertheless is still a customer – if he goes too far, the Turkish military would have something to say about it.

    Sebastopol is a natural, well protected port – just getting Russia’s Navy out of there would be a coup. Don’t fight the obvious, of course Washington was salivating about Crimea. China has nothing to do with it. You display certain Western solipsism – try to get out more…

    • Replies: @A123
  494. dfordoom says: • Website
    @mal

    Those who manage demographic decline go extinct, future belongs to those who increase birth rates.

    Until resources start to run out. Then the societies that increased their birth rates will suffer catastrophe.

    In the long term resources will run out. The smart strategy is a gradual managed population decline.

    The future belongs to those who don’t squander all their resources.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    , @mal
  495. AP says:
    @Svevlad

    Thanks to feudal western hyper-autism, now if you’re 1/1024 western European, you’re a direct descendant of some aristocrat.

    Which is why, potentially having some kind of minimal descent is a very silly basis for a claim of nobility.

    he argued for aristocracy being more of an abstract, spiritual thing rather than lineage.

    How convenient of him.

    fits in the ancient Greek model better, after all, seeing that “aristocracy” means “rule of the best/most virtuous”

    Yes, the ancient Greek model differed enormously from the European one. Nineteenth century liberalism comes closest to the Greek idea of aristocracy. Modern liberalism has fallen from this, because of the decline in virtue, though there are scattered examples of aristocrats in the classic Greek sense among modern elites.

  496. @AP

    My people?

    The ones who bested the Mughals, Afghans & Persia before building the best Artillery in Asia?

    Who tore up the EIC & the Hindus before being betrayed by Brahmins & Rajputs?

    Who won more VCs than all, while numbering barely 150,000, those people?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  497. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Xi-jinping

    Its in the manner that the tool is employed that matters.

    Technology is a tool that can be employed either to push society in one direction or another – it does not inevitably lead to changing of gender roles – it can be instead used in solidifying gender roles if used properly.

    I understand what you’re saying but I don’t agree. I think that most of the time it’s the nature of the technology itself that determines how it ends up being used.

    I think the idea that technology is neutral and that it can be used in any manner we choose to use it is naïve. Technologies develop their own momentum. Technologies don’t have negative effects because somehow or other bad people have gained control of them.

    And the effects of technology on society cannot be predicted, so the idea that when a new technology comes along we can somehow take steps to ensure that it will not have drastic effects on society is also naïve.

    I don’t think there’s any way to ensure that a technology is “used properly” because if it’s a new technology there’s no way of knowing what effects it will have. By the time we figure out what those effects are it’s too late – society has already been changed.

    Television for example did not change society because wicked people decided to use it for nefarious purposes – it was inherent in the very nature of television that it was going to have dramatic and unpredictable consequences for society.

    And if a technology changes society then gender roles are one of the things that are going to change.

    When the internet was invented people expected that it would only be used by a very small fraction of the population – mostly geeks, who were overwhelmingly male. Nobody knew that millions and millions of women were going to use it. At the time it was invented it had no obvious appeal to women.

  498. A123 says:
    @Beckow

    Crimea is a strategic marvel, you can literally reach from there most of Middle East, Europe, Mediterranean, Caucasus, Russia, etc…You can place missiles there, have air bases, etc… Erdogan is a tough customer, but he nevertheless is still a customer – if he goes too far, the Turkish military would have something to say about it.

    Erdogan used the ‘failed coup’ attempt to get rid of the most serious in house opposition in addition to blaming the Kurds. Barring some immense screwup, he is sufficiently aligned with the Turkish military.

    NATO operating from Turkey & Greece would be nearly as good as Crimea. If Turkey leaves NATO, a closed Bosphorus would turn that Crimea base into liability that is difficult to support. There is no reason for a nation with real aircraft carriers (US, UK, France) to voluntarily enter that problem.

    Germany is the only power that has a strong use case for Crimea. However, they have run their military badly into disrepair under Merkel. A grab for that piece of land seems ridiculously ambitious. Also, they are currently playing nice with Putin and do not want to create a potential friction point across the Kerch Strait.

    Perhaps NATO under the first Bush wanted Crimea along with the Baltics. If so, that time has long since passed. The Globalists want to keep the “Russia, Russia, Russia” Leftoids onboard, but that is more about funding NGO’s and other civilian efforts.

    (sarc) Ukraine paid a great deal of money to Being Biden via his son Burisma Biden. That points at trying to obtain a CCP base in Crimea. (/sarc)

    China has nothing to do with it. You display certain Western solipsism – try to get out more…

    The China bit was marked by (sarcasm) (/sarcasm) tags and was intended for humor value. Crimea has some superficial plausibility as a Silk Road trade hub, but I have not seen any CCP plans that have that on their map.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Beckow
  499. AP says:
    @Jatt Aryaa

    The Anglos beat you and annexed your country though:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Anglo-Sikh_War

    The First Anglo-Sikh War was fought between the Sikh Empire and the British East India Company in 1845 and 1846 in and around the Ferozepur district of Punjab. It resulted in defeat and partial subjugation of the Sikh kingdom and cession of Jammu and Kashmir as a separate princely state under British suzerainty.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Anglo-Sikh_War

    The Second Anglo-Sikh War (First War of Sikh Independence) was a military conflict between the Sikh Empire and the British East India Company that that took place in 1848 and 1849. It resulted in the fall of the Sikh Empire, and the annexation of the Punjab and what subsequently became the North-West Frontier Province, by the East India Company.

    The former palace of the defeated Sikh leader Sher Singh, is now a Christian college set up by the British.

    Sikhs were cool and I applaud their defense against the Muslim invaders, but they were no match for the British post-Vikings.

    • Agree: Triteleia Laxa
    • Replies: @Jatt Aryaa
  500. A123 says:
    @A123

    Here is an example of Nietzschean meeting Nietzschean from Andromeda.

    What do you want? The usual. Hundreds of Grandchildren.

    Very HBD. The Nietzschean philosophy is aligned to maximizing TFR.

    PEACE 😇

  501. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Let us be clear, “knowledge” means reducing a complex phenomena into simple categories for the purposes of measurement and control.

    By gaining control, we lose our connection to the “totality” of the phenomena, which cannot be rendered into simple, reductionist concepts.

    The result is alienation, being cut off from the source of energy, and internally divided against ourselves – modern anomie and dysfunction.

    Now, this need not be so. If we fully recognize that reduction into simple categories and measurements is merely one tiny aspect of the total phenomena, we may not lose our connection to it’s larger mystery.

    For every growth in knowledge – in reduction to simplicity – we must cultivate a corresponding sense of wonder. This used to be the domain of religion.

    But science as a social institution decided that religion must go, because we must always stay in the mindset of reduction to simple categories. But religion was a counterbalance to this mindset – a reconnection to the infinite richness of phenomena, which protected us against alienation and internal division.

    Sure, conventional religion had many problematic aspects and in many ways functioned like the worst of science – as a project of reduction and control – but it always retained some ability to connect us to the larger whole.

    And no longer can we think that growth of knowledge- reduction to simplicity – is the highest goal. It is one goal. We must also cultivate a “science” of wonder.

    When this happens, we may even appreciate the beauty revealed to us by this reduction to simplicity, provided we never forget it is a fraction of the whole.

    Ultimately, the dichotomy between primitivism and science is false. In pre-history we lived in a paradise of connection to nature. Then we Separated, and that was good for a while but has had us to our current impasse – anomie and dysfunction.

    Might the way forward not be a higher synthesis of the two?

    Hegel really has to be read again.

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  502. @Daniel Chieh

    What Evola did was display a complete absence of common sense. Kind of like Aleister Crowley’s end as destitute junkie. How people can make heroes out of these guys because Evola wrote a bunch of great books and Crowley wrote a couple of great books might be a tell that our age is most definitely not the golden age of heroes.

    *on a tangent I read in an obscure academic article a couple weeks ago that common sense is not sense that millions of people have but it is meant that you have your senses operating in harmony–your eyes and your ears and your nose are giving you the same message.

    Have you read that Chagnon piece where he says that he was drummed out of the anthropology power circles because he didn’t sugar coat his portrait of how savage the Yamamato were? It’s pretty funny although it’s only one side of the story and probably nobody will ever care to document the other side.

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  503. AaronB says:
    @Xi-jinping

    This is a modernist myth.

    In fact, Stone Age hunter gatherer societies were considerably more egalitarian than agricultural societies, and less warlike.

    Extreme social hierarchies and exploitation arose with agriculture. Interestingly, the rise of agriculture suffers from the same problem Darwinism does. Intermediate stages offer no advantage, so it’s a mystery why they happened at all.

    Agriculture eventually became a stable and successful way to feed large populations, but only after millennia. For a very long time agriculture was significantly less effective at maintaining health and providing food security – so why was it adopted and stuck with?

    Its almost as if the universe “wanted” to evolve in this fashion.

    In which case, the rise of agriculture, science, and the separation from nature, with all it’s pain, was not a “mistake”, as traditionalists often think.

    But the present anomie and dysfunction of modernity, after centuries of dynamism, suggests another direction the universe “wants” to evolve in; back to reunification – but perhaps from a higher perspective, having tasted extreme separation and knowing it’s a dead end.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  504. @AP

    British Raj lasted ੯੬ (96) years we’ve literally been mass migrating to the West longer..
    There’s been Paki rape gangs almost just as long, didn’t Kyiv last like 20 year before going Christcuck?

    Shouldn’t you be kneeling right about now, I’m of the darker skin..
    Singhs killed more whites than any war until WW1, Singhs freed women from Muslim harems;

    Tell me again, who still fills them to this day?

  505. @AP

    Why do you talk as if these conflicts are over?

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ

  506. @Morton's toes

    Oh, I know, Chagnon had been pretty badly treated. The entire anthropology gig is heavily infected by the poz, which is a pity, because a lot of this needs to be documented before it is gone forever.

  507. @Beckow

    Why do things that are easier?

    More chance of success?

    But you’re right, I am actually happy to engage with the collective unconscious of the age. You can’t understand the collective voice of liberal egalitarianism without doing so; the framework of which the Iraq War fits neatly within.

    Warning. There is a lot behind the “more.”

    [MORE]

    I don’t think you’d like the result though. It won’t yield a “people are all bad/all liars/all deceivers/all incompetent” 2 dimensional image. Every individual is far more profound than that, and the collective is obviously even more so.

    Take white liberals. They are so allergic to race IQ and crime stats, which are explanation neutral, that they usually can’t even see them. When they are forced to engage, it isn’t just their voice that starts stuttering, but their consciousness stutters over something it seems in extreme fear of. They twitch, move, deflect, before finally accusing you of some terrible darkness. That darkness is very real to them, they don’t act in deep fear because it is fun, but it isn’t in me, or appropriate to the situation.

    Once you recognise this, you can, like Robin Diangelo, make a living accusing them of what they accuse others; though to soothe them I imagine that it helps to say something like “yes, but those other white people are even worse.”

    The biggest problem with this though, is that it is charlatanery. You are barely scratching the surface, and stopping there, merely to sell still simplistic answers to complicated questions.

    People don’t have deep-rooted personal fears of their own racism because racism itself is so horrible to conceive of. Instead, it is a useful externalised placeholder for a way in which they relate to themselves. This is what most people’s nightmares are made of.

    Becoming an important white liberal means developing a way of thinking and being which diminishes certain interior functions. Ask one about their impressions of the all pervasive force of “white supremacy” and they will often tell you exactly how their harsh internal critic speaks to them. Ask them to describe what’s great about black people, and they will describe frequently what they miss in themselves. They project their lost dreams onto blacks, exactly as most parents do to their children, or people even do to their pets.

    This might then take you to another layer which takes you to another layer, and so on, and so on, with each one getting more and more individual, and perhaps even, paradoxically, universal.

    If you want a darker explanation of the Iraq War, it is easy, but everyone astute already sees it. You don’t fight your whole life to get “power” without wanting to exercise it. Launching wars and remaking places is a far more satisfying exercise of power than fiddling around with the tax code. This is one reason why great military powers always have a lot of wars, but this too would need to be unfolded at length to get to any sort of deeper understanding. After all, why are humans obsessed with exercising “power”, it usually works out badly for them on an individual level. They almost always end up feeling like failures.

    Seeking out power is a distraction from your own wounds. Adopting a whole colour of people as pets is a distraction too. Liberal egalitarianism is a manifestation of how they wish they could treat themselves, white supremacy is a manifestation of how they actually do. Distractions are where you try to fix yourself by fixing the world, and power is the eternally self-corrupting avenue for doing just that.

    Even with all of these words, I have barely touched a sliver of the full picture and there are endless seeming contradictions to pull out.

    You asked why would I do something easy? It is because I can. Or rather, it is because I will give such a partial answer for the harder things that the answer itself will be a trap. This is a trap which I see you fall into, time and time again. It is the trap of taking a thin spot of darkness, thinking you have revealed it all, and rushing into judgement. The rush to judgement betrays that you aren’t looking for understanding and strongly suggests that you haven’t even escaped your own confines. You will not find understanding, if you are not looking for it.

    None of the things I have described above are bad. They are how they are and the people involved are trying to cope with the immense complexity of the universe that we are put into. I can only illuminate a tiny fraction and must be content with that. No matter how tempting, I certainly don’t want to obsess over that while neglecting myself. That’s the worst feeling of all.

    Finally, and the reason I insist on taking people as sincere, before you explore their depths beyond that. Sincerity is a surface level phenomenon. You have to pass through the surface to get any further. If you’re not taking them as sincere, you’re just swimming in your own muck. You sincerely believe that you’re engaging with them, but you’re just swinging judgement around in your own head, doing yourself damage. Xi-jingping is sincere, in his way, but his obviously high levels of persomal distress are causing him to bleed out other stuff to the surface. He has so far described himself as worthless multiple times in a very short conversation. When people are highly distressed you are talking with more than the surface whether you want to or not. I cannot apply this same observation to the public persona of people like Donald Rumsfeld. He did not leak distress, like a confused boy boasting of being used on an Internet forum.

    I hope this stream of consciousness makes sense to you. It seems to me like a generous amount of effort to make.

    To a more skeptical person that suggests that their expressed ideology was not their true motivation.

    That suggestion is overwhelmed by the fact that all of their public pronouncements and domestic policy are also consistent with that ideology. “True motivation” in this case being the one that consciously motivates them.

    • Agree: AP
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    , @Beckow
  508. @AaronB

    Agriculture eventually became a stable and successful way to feed large populations, but only after millennia. For a very long time agriculture was significantly less effective at maintaining health and providing food security – so why was it adopted and stuck with?

    Because it was not necessarily an exclusive lifestyle to hunter-gathering; no weird speculation is needed. Northern Native Americans grew the “three sisters” sometimes by basically planting them and abandoning them, returning later. Even true hunter-gatherers like Hadza mentally mark off areas of known food plants and go to them; despite what I believe you think, they do not just rely on spontaneous discovery of food, gathering is intensive and organized work, usually reserved to the women, who produce a relatively consistent amount of food while men spread out to hunt in a higher risk, higher reward strategy. Hunters are more likely to rely on spontaneous discovery of food; some old finds have suggested morbidly that they turn to cannibalism – if they can’t find food, they turn another into food.

    One of the many perils of your effort to convert laziness into a substantive philosophy for life.

    • Agree: sher singh
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  509. @songbird

    I guess in LEXX, the Shadow Empire gets destroyed because they don’t wipe out the Brunnen-G.

    Should have followed the prophecy, suckers.

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    , @songbird
  510. @songbird

    It may not have an abstractly technical storyline, but The Fifth Element is not tabula rasa at all.

  511. @Pericles

    It is a funny article, but the truth is that the feminist movement could not have been more successful.

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    , @dfordoom
  512. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I know that hunter gatherers often practiced agriculture as one method of food production, but it was one among many – what I am talking about is the shift to complete reliance on a single crop (rice, wheat). In every way this was a worse deal – less variety, worse health, less food security, more disease epidemics, and more unequal social relations. These early single-crop agricultural states also had a real tough time retaining manpower, were more vulnerable to attack and predation, and were constantly collapsing.

    Yet with no clear benefit, they kept on rising and falling, for over a millennium until the situation “stabilized”. Just as a “quarter eye” has no utility and cannot have been selected for, and only a fully formed eye does, so too early single crop agricultural society had no utility until matured.

    Laziness is a moralistic shame term to get people to do what they don’t like and are against their interests. People have no problem making sustained effort at things they enjoy. Laziness also priveleges superficial and excessive “doing” over more profound appreciation and enjoying. The Greeks and Romans thought idleness was noble, and work degrading. Laziness is an invention of industrial civilization because no one would willingly live this way.

  513. @Triteleia Laxa

    the feminist movement could not have been more successful.

    Successful in what? In destroying the society women could have thrived in? Yes. Improving the lot of normal women? No. There is Russian expression: cutting off the bough you sit on. That best describes what the feminist movement is doing. But take heart: feminists are not alone. Western libtards are doing exactly the same thing.

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  514. @AaronB

    Let us be clear, “knowledge” means reducing a complex phe