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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

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    Commenting rules. Please note that anonymous comments are not allowed.

  2. I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia – I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia – a gypsy woman I took a photo of here – she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc…I only ever see such horror in ‘non-Balkanized’ JUSA

    Tomo’s observations are precisely the reason why there won’t be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin’s work he mentions Ibn Khaldun’s idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @anyone with a brain

    Regarding why no US civil war is possible, I agree with your lack-of-cohesion explanation. I would add to this a “too much to lose” factor: an array of government and pension benefits, and civil forfeiture of assets. The benefits part was formidable even before the Fed printing press was turned on, and now it is even more formidable.

    I believe that fighting would actually be unnecessary, because a strike by the productive half of the country would be sufficiently powerful as a weapon. But the cohesiveness is absent to organize such a strike. And, even if it were organized, the voiding of a striker’s benefits, plus instituting civil forfeiture of his assets, would bring him back to his farm tractor or airline cockpit in a hurry.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Malenfant

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @anyone with a brain

    There was less Asabiyyah in Ukraine than in the US.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anyone with a brain, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @anyone with a brain

    The Imperial powers, shorn of their empires, simply turned divide and rule inwards. They recreated their colonies at home so their vanity and institutions could continue.

    , @james wilson
    @anyone with a brain

    How ironic that we school age lads of olden times were instructed to be aware of BALKANIZATION. Bad, very, bad; unification was the ticket. Now we see that as distinct peoples are not forced together they are improved in every case. But yes, we are no longer distict enough to overcome the room our betters keep in our minds rent free.

    , @Europe Europa
    @anyone with a brain

    Of course Yugoslavia and Serbia aren't and never were as violent as the US on a day to day level, they don't have the same racial dynamic for a start.

    To try and compare them as if Yugoslavia and Serbia has something to teach the US, or that they are a model the US should copy, is ignorant to racial realities at best, if not disingenuous.

    Albanians in Kosovo is probably the closest parallel with Yugoslavia in regards to non-whites in the US and other Western countries, and how's that worked out for Serbia? Not very well last time I checked.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @anyone with a brain

    There might be a more concrete reason as to why a civil war in the U.S. nowadays might be problematic. Specifically, the urban and suburban areas in the U.S. are largely blue whereas the rural areas are largely red. But their economies are probably too interconnected--or at least this is my own suspicion in regards to this!

    , @Rattus Norwegius
    @anyone with a brain

    The BLM protests and Capitol Hill incident does suggest that the US have some Asabiyyah, don't you think?

  3. Pope Gregory XVI opposed the railroad in the Papal States, though his successor did not.

    The great thing about rail is that it helps prevent famine. But on the bad side, it was a pretty important step on the road to creating woke capital. Rail created a lot these big consumer brands, as well as a lot of this rootlessness.
    ________
    It’s interesting to read old letters from upper class people – I mean, like 150+ years old, not famous people. Makes one wonder at the profound impact that dysgenics may have already had, and shudder at the future trends.

    • Replies: @Rattus Norwegius
    @songbird

    "It’s interesting to read old letters from upper class people – I mean, like 150+ years old, not famous people. Makes one wonder at the profound impact that dysgenics may have already had, and shudder at the future trends."

    Present day upper class people have access to quicker forms of communication like email, SMS and phone calls. They have different expectations of their scriptural communications than the upper class had 150 years ago. Poeple then wrote more complex and covered more ground since letters were much rarer than any SMS or email. The usage of fancy words has also declined over time.

    Replies: @songbird

  4. • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Carlo

    If we beiee Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Gerard-Mandela, @Europe Europa

  5. @Carlo
    Russia stands no chance against the glorious and invincible Ukrainian Air Force!
    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39747/drunken-ukrainian-air-force-officer-smashed-his-volkswagen-into-a-mig-29-fighter

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    If we beiee Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.

    • LOL: songbird
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Philip Owen

    The populations are very close genetically speaking. The difference is mainly the Khokhols having more Vlakh and Circassian admixture, while the Katsaps have more Ugric admixture. Both have some Turkic admixture.

    But the cultures are different, I don't think Russian nationalists have ever pretended otherwise. The psychology is also somewhat different, but both populations are compatible.

    BTW there are numerous Russian nationalists fighting alongside their Ukrainian brothers in arms against the rebel militias. Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.

    Proof below:



    https://youtu.be/TpsrzQNKRDI

    https://youtu.be/EesSW532sP4

    Не всё так очевидно...

    🙂

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Gerard-Mandela
    @Philip Owen


    If we believe Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.
     
    Well the "nationalist" is used with typical disingenous anglo-saxon cretinism by yourself, Phillip.
    Russians believe Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture......as do all westerners, as when not under police-state conditions do most Ukrainians....as do all sane people. So any russian ethnonationalist ( which you are too lazy to specify in your description), any Russian-world patriot, any objective westerner and almost certainly when privately asked- all Ukrainians think the same thing.

    Western apparatus 0bjective is openly to derussify "Ukrainians", i.e to artificially create something that never existed, as part of some sick experiment.

    All western interaction over history with these "Ukrainians" has occurred by them viewing these people as what they are ( Russians) as is the case of when the British/Irish were paid by Nicholas I to build the first bridge over the Dnieper in Kiev

    Going back to the original issue - russians and ukrainians are the same people, and with that comes the same extreme, bizarre, eccentric actions that we sometimes do (e.g the inexplicable death on runway at Vnukovo of de Margerie - CEO of Total Oil company, and one of the most important men in the world caused by some drunk cretin working at the airport driving his snowplough into the plane) ........ but the difference is that in Russia this stupidity is not derivative or even inspired and incited by State ideology, state policies and directives like it is in Ukraine (drunk Kiev cops playing some pranks on each other in the street - inadvertently killing a 5 year old boy by shooting him dead , saying he died from falling on the pavement......and then the whole department covering for them!)
    , @Europe Europa
    @Philip Owen

    Many of the types who insist that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people would happily claim that the English and Scots are completely different people and polar opposites, and cynically support Scottish independence.

    Their idea of what constitutes the same people is very politicised and disingenuous.

    Replies: @Shortsword

  6. Top US commander fears Chinese invasion of Taiwan by 2027
    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/taiwan-china-invasion-by-2027-war-us-military-commander-14372126

    Biden’s administration has offered Taiwan cause for optimism for continued support aside from the State Department saying in January that US commitment to the island was “rock-solid”.

    Taiwan’s de facto ambassador to the US was formally invited to Biden’s inauguration, an unprecedented move since 1979.

  7. @anyone with a brain
    I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia - I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia - a gypsy woman I took a photo of here - she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc...I only ever see such horror in 'non-Balkanized' JUSA
     
    Tomo's observations are precisely the reason why there won't be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin's work he mentions Ibn Khaldun's idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Anatoly Karlin, @Not Only Wrathful, @james wilson, @Europe Europa, @Mr. XYZ, @Rattus Norwegius

    Regarding why no US civil war is possible, I agree with your lack-of-cohesion explanation. I would add to this a “too much to lose” factor: an array of government and pension benefits, and civil forfeiture of assets. The benefits part was formidable even before the Fed printing press was turned on, and now it is even more formidable.

    I believe that fighting would actually be unnecessary, because a strike by the productive half of the country would be sufficiently powerful as a weapon. But the cohesiveness is absent to organize such a strike. And, even if it were organized, the voiding of a striker’s benefits, plus instituting civil forfeiture of his assets, would bring him back to his farm tractor or airline cockpit in a hurry.

    • Replies: @Pericles
    @SafeNow

    Atlas Cringed, if you will. But in that scenario, it's not a matter of obedience but merely time before your benefits get cut, your assets seized and you yourself shipped off to Happy Farms (once productivity flags).

    Replies: @Anyone with a brain, @AndrewR

    , @Malenfant
    @SafeNow


    civil forfeiture of assets
     
    It needs to be said that the US legal system -- and the civil justice system in particular -- is every bit as disgusting as the US educational apparatus, the US media, etc. It seems engineered to produce unjust outcomes, feed the malignant growth of the federal bureaucracy, and sabotage the productive capacity of US citizens.
  8. Israel must pull off a spectacular saturation loitering munition/drone attack against Iranian nuclear infastructure one day. Much like the Iranian attack on Saudi oil refineries in 2019 but much larger in scale. From launchers that have been standing by for years in multiple countries (unbeknownst to their hosts). Activated via satellite. Rt had a post on Israelis caught on film training some bumfuck shithole asian army in using loiter munitions… Who knows how competent these central asian national intelligence agencies are on keeping an eye on their guest advisors.

    Not to mention whatever unmanned underwater vehicles Israel has develop with this particular purpose in mind.

    Israel will of course neither deny or confirm it was the attacker. Internationally for Western media thats good enough as innocence. Especially if the drones are made to look like something built by someone else. If Iran attacks it will be seen as an aggressor and thus US will come in. Suspicion is one thing but with no real evidence….. Everyone in the West can pretend they aren’t evil incarnate and bomb Iran willy nilly.

    And if Iran doesn’t retaliate…. Well…. that would be boring.

    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @Max Payne

    Regarding a drone attack, here’s an engaging video example of how a drone can meander its way around inside a building. I had no idea. The US (and therefore Israel) is sure good at drones. Different countries are good at different things.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VgS54fqKxf0&list=TLPQMTIwMzIwMjENJyF6csLuvw&index=2

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Shortsword

  9. @Philip Owen
    @Carlo

    If we beiee Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Gerard-Mandela, @Europe Europa

    The populations are very close genetically speaking. The difference is mainly the Khokhols having more Vlakh and Circassian admixture, while the Katsaps have more Ugric admixture. Both have some Turkic admixture.

    But the cultures are different, I don’t think Russian nationalists have ever pretended otherwise. The psychology is also somewhat different, but both populations are compatible.

    BTW there are numerous Russian nationalists fighting alongside their Ukrainian brothers in arms against the rebel militias. Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.

    Proof below:

    [MORE]

    Не всё так очевидно…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Bashibuzuk

    In Saratov in 2014, 2/3rds of Ukrainian refugees were young men fleeing from the draft from either side (provinical government figures) but expecially from the Donbass cities. You are right. These are not two unified ethnic groups fighting it out for solid tribal reasons. The picture is complicated.

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    Nobody is going to deny the fact that there are many different strange sub-stories subsumed within the background of the war in Donbas. That a lot of Russian nationalists are fighting on the Kyivan side of the war is hard to accept, based on one or two video clips. It would make a lot more sense that a few Russian nationalists have penetrated to the other side and are working as spy's for the rebel militias, and vice versa, I would think.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.
     
    Yes, imagine this level of cucked.

    Happily they only constitute about 10% of Russian nationalists. They were also predominantly Neo-Nazi and/or liberal types, so marginalizing them has had salutary effects on the movement as a whole.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Bashibuzuk

  10. @Max Payne
    Israel must pull off a spectacular saturation loitering munition/drone attack against Iranian nuclear infastructure one day. Much like the Iranian attack on Saudi oil refineries in 2019 but much larger in scale. From launchers that have been standing by for years in multiple countries (unbeknownst to their hosts). Activated via satellite. Rt had a post on Israelis caught on film training some bumfuck shithole asian army in using loiter munitions... Who knows how competent these central asian national intelligence agencies are on keeping an eye on their guest advisors.

    Not to mention whatever unmanned underwater vehicles Israel has develop with this particular purpose in mind.

    Israel will of course neither deny or confirm it was the attacker. Internationally for Western media thats good enough as innocence. Especially if the drones are made to look like something built by someone else. If Iran attacks it will be seen as an aggressor and thus US will come in. Suspicion is one thing but with no real evidence..... Everyone in the West can pretend they aren't evil incarnate and bomb Iran willy nilly.

    And if Iran doesn't retaliate.... Well.... that would be boring.

    Replies: @SafeNow

    Regarding a drone attack, here’s an engaging video example of how a drone can meander its way around inside a building. I had no idea. The US (and therefore Israel) is sure good at drones. Different countries are good at different things.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @SafeNow

    I was offering British designs like that to Russia nearly 10 years ago. They are rather old hat. The newer ones are so small that they are barely visible. They can fly in above the head of someone with a security pass without EMR and sit somewhere for weeks. All British infantry patrols have a lot of them.

    Others deliver enogh payload to kill a tank. UK no longer has many tanks.

    , @Shortsword
    @SafeNow

    That's probably a Chinese drone. Almost all drones like that are from China.

  11. @SafeNow
    @Max Payne

    Regarding a drone attack, here’s an engaging video example of how a drone can meander its way around inside a building. I had no idea. The US (and therefore Israel) is sure good at drones. Different countries are good at different things.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VgS54fqKxf0&list=TLPQMTIwMzIwMjENJyF6csLuvw&index=2

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Shortsword

    I was offering British designs like that to Russia nearly 10 years ago. They are rather old hat. The newer ones are so small that they are barely visible. They can fly in above the head of someone with a security pass without EMR and sit somewhere for weeks. All British infantry patrols have a lot of them.

    Others deliver enogh payload to kill a tank. UK no longer has many tanks.

    • Thanks: SafeNow
  12. @SafeNow
    @Max Payne

    Regarding a drone attack, here’s an engaging video example of how a drone can meander its way around inside a building. I had no idea. The US (and therefore Israel) is sure good at drones. Different countries are good at different things.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VgS54fqKxf0&list=TLPQMTIwMzIwMjENJyF6csLuvw&index=2

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Shortsword

    That’s probably a Chinese drone. Almost all drones like that are from China.

  13. Humor for the open thread.

    Below [MORE] — The failure of the DNC explained in two easy pictures.

    PEACE 😇

     

    [MORE]


     

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @SafeNow
    @A123

    That’s a funny “worst president ever” concept, thanks. But I would consider awarding the trophy to Lincoln. He harvested 750,000 (the new estimate) lives, over a problem that existed in 7% of US households, and had maybe two decades left before it was totally gone in the Western world. And resentments lingered, and in fact still linger.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MacRead

  14. In the immediate postwar years, there were a lot of Hollywood movies with minor mention of people not having papers. I think it was intentional ideological subversion. Probably the earliest mainstream globalist subversion.

    • Replies: @mal
    @songbird

    Well, modern global vision starts with Count Kalergi and Otto von Habsburg, both of Austro-Hungarian Empire. They created pan European confederation, and created EU flag and anthem. They even proposed to cross breed Europeans with Africans to better fight Russia or something. We live in their vision today.

    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn't like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) - it was called Casablanca, a war time cult classic. It helped popularize modern mindset ("The Resistance" of rich nobility meeting in a posh nightclub, and a ticket to America as a get out of jail card) which is basically your garden variety neoliberalism.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/from-utopian-dream-to-political-reality-1.758464?mode=amp

    The weirdest thing about it is its not over. They keep popping up again and again.

    Like it was Habsburg who led the first humanitarian convoy into Lithuania in 1991 signifying European backing of anti-Communist protests there and contributing to USSR collapse.

    Remember Navalny story about him calling FSB officer regarding his own poisoning? The guy Navalny was with is Christo Grosev. Grosev was an executive director for a Dutch radio station that Habsburg owns. And Grosev is a Bulgarian who got his start in Metromedia Russia. Metromedia was giant American conglomerate that created Fox News network among others. Person who created Metromedia was a German named John Kluge and he served in US Army intelligence during WW2.

    Remember Derkach? Ukrainian politician famous for leaking Poroshenko Biden tapes? Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station (they run a media empire, that how you control the narrative). Under Yanukovich, Derkach had his own radio station and his orders were to outbid Habsburg owned station at the broadcast license auctions. Habsburg owned station got nothing and there was a lot of complaining. Obviously, under Poroshenko that changed and Habsburgs got broadcasting rights, including to Donbas, but they soured on the project by then.

    It's like World War 1 never ended.

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Svevlad

  15. Non-retractable refueling probes should be illegal.

    • Replies: @A123
    @Shortsword

    I would gladly take multiple fixed refueling probes if that was the price to retcon the IVECO S-Way front grill.

    (shudder) (cringe)

    As long as it is black... That hides the problem. No one would order it in a contrasting color? Right? Please?!?! *D'OH*

    PEACE 😇
     

    https://www.drivethenewway.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/afbeelding-drive-the-new-way-blog-iveco-s-way-opties.jpg

     
    https://bigtruck.nl/images/2020/03/Iveco_Meulenberg_1LR.jpg

  16. @Bashibuzuk
    @Philip Owen

    The populations are very close genetically speaking. The difference is mainly the Khokhols having more Vlakh and Circassian admixture, while the Katsaps have more Ugric admixture. Both have some Turkic admixture.

    But the cultures are different, I don't think Russian nationalists have ever pretended otherwise. The psychology is also somewhat different, but both populations are compatible.

    BTW there are numerous Russian nationalists fighting alongside their Ukrainian brothers in arms against the rebel militias. Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.

    Proof below:



    https://youtu.be/TpsrzQNKRDI

    https://youtu.be/EesSW532sP4

    Не всё так очевидно...

    🙂

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    In Saratov in 2014, 2/3rds of Ukrainian refugees were young men fleeing from the draft from either side (provinical government figures) but expecially from the Donbass cities. You are right. These are not two unified ethnic groups fighting it out for solid tribal reasons. The picture is complicated.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  17. @Philip Owen
    @Carlo

    If we beiee Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Gerard-Mandela, @Europe Europa

    If we believe Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.

    Well the “nationalist” is used with typical disingenous anglo-saxon cretinism by yourself, Phillip.
    Russians believe Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture……as do all westerners, as when not under police-state conditions do most Ukrainians….as do all sane people. So any russian ethnonationalist ( which you are too lazy to specify in your description), any Russian-world patriot, any objective westerner and almost certainly when privately asked- all Ukrainians think the same thing.

    Western apparatus 0bjective is openly to derussify “Ukrainians”, i.e to artificially create something that never existed, as part of some sick experiment.

    All western interaction over history with these “Ukrainians” has occurred by them viewing these people as what they are ( Russians) as is the case of when the British/Irish were paid by Nicholas I to build the first bridge over the Dnieper in Kiev

    Going back to the original issue – russians and ukrainians are the same people, and with that comes the same extreme, bizarre, eccentric actions that we sometimes do (e.g the inexplicable death on runway at Vnukovo of de Margerie – CEO of Total Oil company, and one of the most important men in the world caused by some drunk cretin working at the airport driving his snowplough into the plane) …….. but the difference is that in Russia this stupidity is not derivative or even inspired and incited by State ideology, state policies and directives like it is in Ukraine (drunk Kiev cops playing some pranks on each other in the street – inadvertently killing a 5 year old boy by shooting him dead , saying he died from falling on the pavement……and then the whole department covering for them!)

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  18. @A123
    Humor for the open thread.

    Below [MORE] -- The failure of the DNC explained in two easy pictures.

    PEACE 😇

     
    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UG31y4E8nFI/YEo0oPGLFsI/AAAAAAACq_U/szJS9pp63JoI2cPu5kYjajL7ZKHus-f0gCLcBGAsYHQ/s525/1%2B1%2B75ff1515cd6ed3cadefbea41_9aa1e533_540.png



    https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Carter-Award-590-LI.jpg
     
    https://comicallyincorrect.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/01-biben-run-la-600.jpg

    Replies: @SafeNow

    That’s a funny “worst president ever” concept, thanks. But I would consider awarding the trophy to Lincoln. He harvested 750,000 (the new estimate) lives, over a problem that existed in 7% of US households, and had maybe two decades left before it was totally gone in the Western world. And resentments lingered, and in fact still linger.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @AndrewR
    @SafeNow

    Your comment implies that most of the resentment is from aggrieved southerners. I would strongly disagree with that.

    An extremely large portion of the resentment comes from "people" who weren't even in the US in the 1860s.

    , @MacRead
    @SafeNow

    The "7%" problem was enough for seven states to secede before Lincoln even took the oath of office. Secession is great in theory but leads to war in almost any polity. Fire-eating southerners put Lincoln in a much tougher spot than you lead on.

    Replies: @songbird

  19. Something weird is going on with commercial space travel to ISS.

    https://spacenews.com/op-ed-do-not-cancel-space-stations-new-culture-of-commercial-cooperation/

    NASA for some reason halted subsidies to non-educational/research trips to the International Space Station. Which means space tourists or their launch providers must now pay full fare. Since US only has one contractor like that, in practice this means SpaceX must eat the cost?

    Frankly I don’t understand why NASA decided to be mean like that because affordable space tourism was one of the SpaceX stated goals, and without those subsidies SpaceX will have difficult time competing with the Russians.

    And speaking of the devils, Russians are getting another American astronaut on Soyuz MS-18 and two international tourists on MS-20. So Soyuz is going strong (even if ISS is cracking up).

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @mal

    Almost 600% price increase. Interesting. But who was paying according to these prices and what were they sending up?

    Replies: @mal

  20. Excellent Tucker Carlson Segment

    Re: Below Video with Aaron Mate and Tulsi Gabbard

    At the 18:10 mark of his 3/12 hosted show, Carlson shows why he’s a positive improvement over Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham – never mind the hacks at CNN and MSNBC. Carlson has segments that challenge obvious flaws in some US foreign policy actions, which his mass media peers don’t cover – instead often going along with the dubious narrative.

    Although not specifically mentioned in this segment (unlike the second US war on Iraq), beware of US government and mass media spin in the event of a significantly heightened escalation between Kiev regime and Donbass rebel forces, which might also involve Russia.

  21. @Bashibuzuk
    @Philip Owen

    The populations are very close genetically speaking. The difference is mainly the Khokhols having more Vlakh and Circassian admixture, while the Katsaps have more Ugric admixture. Both have some Turkic admixture.

    But the cultures are different, I don't think Russian nationalists have ever pretended otherwise. The psychology is also somewhat different, but both populations are compatible.

    BTW there are numerous Russian nationalists fighting alongside their Ukrainian brothers in arms against the rebel militias. Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.

    Proof below:



    https://youtu.be/TpsrzQNKRDI

    https://youtu.be/EesSW532sP4

    Не всё так очевидно...

    🙂

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Nobody is going to deny the fact that there are many different strange sub-stories subsumed within the background of the war in Donbas. That a lot of Russian nationalists are fighting on the Kyivan side of the war is hard to accept, based on one or two video clips. It would make a lot more sense that a few Russian nationalists have penetrated to the other side and are working as spy’s for the rebel militias, and vice versa, I would think.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack

    There are more hard-core Russian National Socialists and White Nationalists fighting on the Ukrainian side than on the Donbass and Lugansk side. Probably around a third of Azov Battalion is ethnic Russian.

    On the other side of the conflict, in the early stages there was the Mil'chakov units (БТРГ Русич and Варяг) fighting for pro-Russian rebels. They were affiliated with a field commander who accepted ultra-nationalists (Бэтмэн), then this field-commander got executed by the Russian side and the Rusich/Varyag guys moved out of Donbass. They are now fighting as mercenaries in the Middle East, Lybia, even Africa perhaps.

    The reason for that is the complete and utter illegality of any form of Russian ultra-nationalism and the fringe status of the more "intellectual " Russian nationalist narrative in RusFed. In his last public address, Putin has again stressed that the slogan "Russia for Russians " is a bad one and should not be tolerated. It is paradoxically easier to be a Russian National Socialist or White Nationalist in Ukraine, than in Russia itself.

    In Russia you can literally end up in prison if you are too outspoken as a nationalist and if you engage in public debate and/or politics. Scores of Russian nationalists ended-up jailed, often on made-up accusations. Recently Tesak got murdered in prison and the government has proceeded with a cover up of his murder. The only type of "pseudo-nationalists " being tolerated are the "professional patriots" that are actually funded in one way or another by the RusFed authorities.

    With the exception of Jihadists, no other political group is more feared and repressed in RusFed than Russian National Socialists and White Nationalists. Anyone who talks about Putin being a nationalist or RusFed being the nationalist Russian state doesn't know what he is talking about.

  22. What about Russia throttling Twitter?

    • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki
    @Kent Nationalist


    What about Russia throttling Twitter?
     
    Sadly, I think that's more of a prophylactic measure. I don't think Twitter ever had much reach into Russian society, and this will hopefully extend that.

    But it does very little immediate damage to Twitter's interests. Unfortunately.
  23. @SafeNow
    @anyone with a brain

    Regarding why no US civil war is possible, I agree with your lack-of-cohesion explanation. I would add to this a “too much to lose” factor: an array of government and pension benefits, and civil forfeiture of assets. The benefits part was formidable even before the Fed printing press was turned on, and now it is even more formidable.

    I believe that fighting would actually be unnecessary, because a strike by the productive half of the country would be sufficiently powerful as a weapon. But the cohesiveness is absent to organize such a strike. And, even if it were organized, the voiding of a striker’s benefits, plus instituting civil forfeiture of his assets, would bring him back to his farm tractor or airline cockpit in a hurry.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Malenfant

    Atlas Cringed, if you will. But in that scenario, it’s not a matter of obedience but merely time before your benefits get cut, your assets seized and you yourself shipped off to Happy Farms (once productivity flags).

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @Anyone with a brain
    @Pericles

    Atlas will indeed cringe. Atlas is being replaced by technology. Productive and essential people make a decent living in the U.S and they will be kept satisfied.

    That is not to say those who were once productive and essential, and have now become excess workers due to technology will face lay offs and marginalization and basically be thrusted by society into a pre-suicidal stage of their life.

    The human component of Atlas will shrink and the capital(machines, patents, algorithms, property) will expand while being belonging to fewer and fewer people. Atlas can't shrug because the unsatisfied elements are getting kicked out and atlas is becoming more of an object than a being. If one is seriously considering shrugging, one probably isn't a component of the economic Atlas.

    , @AndrewR
    @Pericles

    Indeed. Our rulers have mastered game theory and praxis. I know people don't like to read pessimistic comments, but I see no plausible future where the "99%" succeeds in seizing the assets of the elites and [redacted] the elites. And in the 0.00000000000001% chance that this occurs, then the fight over the spoils will break down in the exact same way it does now. The mulignan ain't ever gonna stop blaming whitey.

  24. @songbird
    In the immediate postwar years, there were a lot of Hollywood movies with minor mention of people not having papers. I think it was intentional ideological subversion. Probably the earliest mainstream globalist subversion.

    Replies: @mal

    Well, modern global vision starts with Count Kalergi and Otto von Habsburg, both of Austro-Hungarian Empire. They created pan European confederation, and created EU flag and anthem. They even proposed to cross breed Europeans with Africans to better fight Russia or something. We live in their vision today.

    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn’t like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) – it was called Casablanca, a war time cult classic. It helped popularize modern mindset (“The Resistance” of rich nobility meeting in a posh nightclub, and a ticket to America as a get out of jail card) which is basically your garden variety neoliberalism.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/from-utopian-dream-to-political-reality-1.758464?mode=amp

    The weirdest thing about it is its not over. They keep popping up again and again.

    Like it was Habsburg who led the first humanitarian convoy into Lithuania in 1991 signifying European backing of anti-Communist protests there and contributing to USSR collapse.

    Remember Navalny story about him calling FSB officer regarding his own poisoning? The guy Navalny was with is Christo Grosev. Grosev was an executive director for a Dutch radio station that Habsburg owns. And Grosev is a Bulgarian who got his start in Metromedia Russia. Metromedia was giant American conglomerate that created Fox News network among others. Person who created Metromedia was a German named John Kluge and he served in US Army intelligence during WW2.

    Remember Derkach? Ukrainian politician famous for leaking Poroshenko Biden tapes? Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station (they run a media empire, that how you control the narrative). Under Yanukovich, Derkach had his own radio station and his orders were to outbid Habsburg owned station at the broadcast license auctions. Habsburg owned station got nothing and there was a lot of complaining. Obviously, under Poroshenko that changed and Habsburgs got broadcasting rights, including to Donbas, but they soured on the project by then.

    It’s like World War 1 never ended.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @songbird
    @mal


    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn’t like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) – it was called Casablanca
     
    Definitely, a lot of war-themed subversion. Sherlock Holmes used to be one of my favorite fictional characters, until I saw some of the awful propaganda movies they made with him - and then I started to think, well, Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.

    And Casablanca definitely hits the mark about borders and even race - I had forgotten about that dimension of it.

    Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station
     
    In an American context, on the level of globalism, it is hard to appreciate how subversive radio is, as all the foreign stuff is lower status, but once you go abroad, you start to wonder, why are they playing all this American music in a non-English speaking country? Why are they reporting on race stories from America? Or, why are they teaching Africans English and French? If anything, they should be trying to shift their tongues to even more alien modes, with more clicks and no shared words.

    Though I was referring to WW2 originally, I think a lot of the big border changes after WWI oddly helped to foment globalism, as they affected a certain ethnic group who felt that their ability to move had become more circumscribed. I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Kent Nationalist

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @mal

    You are absolutely correct. I have commented about it previously a couple of times on the Navslny threads. And I have also written a couple of times about young Klaus Shwab being a kissing buddy with Otto Von Habsburg.

    https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/photos/klaus-schwab-world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-1971-european-management-sympos/10150229212286479/

    And Otto Von Habsburg 's wife lived in Québec during WW2 where she met the family of Joseph Philippe Pierre Yves Elliott Trudeau (I like to copy paste his name in full).

    https://www.dw.com/en/the-future-as-seen-by-documentary-filmmakers/a-51374361

    Perhaps it is the Habsburg against the Windsor all over again?

    (Just kidding, in fact it is the Anunaki against the Nordic Pleiadians).

    , @Svevlad
    @mal

    Huh? One Serbing wasn't enough for these fuckers huh?

    Now there's thousands in on the scheme, it would unironically have to be a small genocide to get rid of 'em.

  25. @anyone with a brain
    I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia - I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia - a gypsy woman I took a photo of here - she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc...I only ever see such horror in 'non-Balkanized' JUSA
     
    Tomo's observations are precisely the reason why there won't be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin's work he mentions Ibn Khaldun's idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Anatoly Karlin, @Not Only Wrathful, @james wilson, @Europe Europa, @Mr. XYZ, @Rattus Norwegius

    There was less Asabiyyah in Ukraine than in the US.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore it was needed to send in foreign inteligence armed batallions of diversants (Girkin, Bezler etc) in order to incite and sustain "civil war" even in most pro-RF Ukraine territories as without them there would have been some short term civil riots happening at most.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard-Mandela

    , @Anyone with a brain
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What makes you say that? I have to ask because in my view the U.S has one of the lowest levels of asabiyyah in the world, for Ukraine to have less asabiyyah than the U.S would be shocking to me and would also BTFO my hypothesis.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And Ukraine managed to keep over 90+% of its territory under its rule. The only reason that it failed to keep Crimea and the Donbass was due to (either direct, as in Crimea, or covert, as in the Donbass) Russian military intervention. Just who exactly other than the Chinese is actually going to be powerful enough to militarily intervene in a Second American Civil War? And would even the Chinese actually bother doing this?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  26. @Bashibuzuk
    @Philip Owen

    The populations are very close genetically speaking. The difference is mainly the Khokhols having more Vlakh and Circassian admixture, while the Katsaps have more Ugric admixture. Both have some Turkic admixture.

    But the cultures are different, I don't think Russian nationalists have ever pretended otherwise. The psychology is also somewhat different, but both populations are compatible.

    BTW there are numerous Russian nationalists fighting alongside their Ukrainian brothers in arms against the rebel militias. Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.

    Proof below:



    https://youtu.be/TpsrzQNKRDI

    https://youtu.be/EesSW532sP4

    Не всё так очевидно...

    🙂

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.

    Yes, imagine this level of cucked.

    Happily they only constitute about 10% of Russian nationalists. They were also predominantly Neo-Nazi and/or liberal types, so marginalizing them has had salutary effects on the movement as a whole.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Neo-Nazi
     
    I think anyone believing that Hitler loved Russians or didn’t kill Jews should be disqualified from being called a Neo-Nazi and be called a fake Nazi instead. Real Nazis didn’t like Russians and they also didn’t deny the Holocaust, rather they committed it.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Bookish1

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    imagine this level of cucked
     
    They're not cucked, they are basically members of the White National Socialist International. You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.

    Why don't you write something about the way Russian National Socialists and ultra-nationalists are treated in the RusFed?

    The swastika and the kolovrat, Indo-European symbols from times immemorial have been outlawed as "Nazi symbols ". You can end up in prison if you organize a National Socialist, a White Nationalist or even just a Russian ultra-nationalist group or association. "Russia for Russians " is a bad slogan according to Putin himself. I wonder what he would think about "Russia for Rothenbergs" or "Chechnya for Vaynakhs" slogans, he would probably find them both quite appropriate.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

  27. @mal
    Something weird is going on with commercial space travel to ISS.

    https://spacenews.com/op-ed-do-not-cancel-space-stations-new-culture-of-commercial-cooperation/

    NASA for some reason halted subsidies to non-educational/research trips to the International Space Station. Which means space tourists or their launch providers must now pay full fare. Since US only has one contractor like that, in practice this means SpaceX must eat the cost?

    Frankly I don't understand why NASA decided to be mean like that because affordable space tourism was one of the SpaceX stated goals, and without those subsidies SpaceX will have difficult time competing with the Russians.

    And speaking of the devils, Russians are getting another American astronaut on Soyuz MS-18 and two international tourists on MS-20. So Soyuz is going strong (even if ISS is cracking up).

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Almost 600% price increase. Interesting. But who was paying according to these prices and what were they sending up?

    • Replies: @mal
    @Shortsword

    Usually it's students and school research projects (as shown in this footage from 1994).

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=amWu-idEw-w

    Also people studying space manufacturing.

    Those price hikes affect commercial projects only. They mentioned Tom Cruise thinking about filming a movie there and a cosmetics company making a commercial.

  28. @Anatoly Karlin
    @anyone with a brain

    There was less Asabiyyah in Ukraine than in the US.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anyone with a brain, @Mr. XYZ

    Therefore it was needed to send in foreign inteligence armed batallions of diversants (Girkin, Bezler etc) in order to incite and sustain “civil war” even in most pro-RF Ukraine territories as without them there would have been some short term civil riots happening at most.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @sudden death

    I'm sure a hypothetical American Civil War II will see plenty of foreign adventurers too. Probably the largest such contingent in world history.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Gerard-Mandela
    @sudden death

    Stop projecting the Lithuanian scenario you dummy. 40 years of total love and zero resistance to Soviet rule and 200 years of Russian "occupation" would be something to say required foreign help to overcome.
    Tsar was building many hospitals for Lithuania, I don't see you fools in a rush to replace russian rail gauge. We all know the peace, prosperity and happiness Soviet times gave you idiots. If answered honestly , far more Lithuanians were in favour of keeping Ignalina operating than were in going away from USSR....but we all know what prostituting statehood has resulted for in Lithuania ( though of course non-comparably better to Ukropia). You were an authoritarian dictatorship, where the dictator ELIMINATED parliament for 14 years - because of this after the coward ran away - Soviets were begged to incorporate them into USSR.

    As for Banderastan - what happened once again you cretin was another failure by the country to run itself, resulting in another farce and another power vaccum that brought evil Nazi scum into the state apparatus with western backing .This was a failed state taken over by Nazi's . Get that into your thick head. To go with this serious farce - arrests, laws and violence perfectly show Russian views were completely accurate.

    You fools are run by Americans , so think of Americana films as Shane and Magnificent Seven, that perfectly describes similar scenario of these people who entered Lugansk and Donetsk to defend people of Donbass.

    It's amazing - a scumbag state ordered by US and demands for IMF loan, initiates war against civilians trying to resist this farce or at least be negotiated with...but you blame the innocent side?!

    Replies: @sudden death

  29. @SafeNow
    @anyone with a brain

    Regarding why no US civil war is possible, I agree with your lack-of-cohesion explanation. I would add to this a “too much to lose” factor: an array of government and pension benefits, and civil forfeiture of assets. The benefits part was formidable even before the Fed printing press was turned on, and now it is even more formidable.

    I believe that fighting would actually be unnecessary, because a strike by the productive half of the country would be sufficiently powerful as a weapon. But the cohesiveness is absent to organize such a strike. And, even if it were organized, the voiding of a striker’s benefits, plus instituting civil forfeiture of his assets, would bring him back to his farm tractor or airline cockpit in a hurry.

    Replies: @Pericles, @Malenfant

    civil forfeiture of assets

    It needs to be said that the US legal system — and the civil justice system in particular — is every bit as disgusting as the US educational apparatus, the US media, etc. It seems engineered to produce unjust outcomes, feed the malignant growth of the federal bureaucracy, and sabotage the productive capacity of US citizens.

  30. Viktor Bout before Thai looksmaxxing protocol:

    After:

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @joniel
    @Shortsword

    Wow. Did he get the Novichok treatment?

    Replies: @Shortsword

    , @songbird
    @Shortsword

    Speaking of Thais, I get the feeling that Chinese like to make fun of SE Asians in their movies - hint that they are clownish and half-black. Like I watched one set in Thailand a while back, and they had this thug they called "Vietnam", and he had an afro, which I thought was really funny.

  31. @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore it was needed to send in foreign inteligence armed batallions of diversants (Girkin, Bezler etc) in order to incite and sustain "civil war" even in most pro-RF Ukraine territories as without them there would have been some short term civil riots happening at most.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard-Mandela

    I’m sure a hypothetical American Civil War II will see plenty of foreign adventurers too. Probably the largest such contingent in world history.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No doubt, but supply lines and help for those foreign operatives would be quite harder to organize in US than those in Ukraine as even with uninterrupted supplies over the border RF operated "mercenaries" were unable to withstand the Ukrainian pressure and covert army invasion, albeit if limited in scope and duration, was needed for the "civil war" not to end quickly.

    Replies: @anonlb

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    These foreign adventurers would need to be backed up with some extremely powerful foreign military muscle, though. Other than the Chinese, just which countries are actually militarily stronger than the US--either now or in the future?

    What MASSIVELY helped the Donbass separatists avoid a quick and early defeat in August 2014 was the fact that Russia has 3-4 times as many people as Ukraine has and also 6+ times as much military muscle as Ukraine has.

    Even Igor Girkin ("Strelkov") himself said in an interview that the Donbass would have likely ended up like Kharkiv or Odessa if not for him and his gang of merry men.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  32. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.
     
    Yes, imagine this level of cucked.

    Happily they only constitute about 10% of Russian nationalists. They were also predominantly Neo-Nazi and/or liberal types, so marginalizing them has had salutary effects on the movement as a whole.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Bashibuzuk

    Neo-Nazi

    I think anyone believing that Hitler loved Russians or didn’t kill Jews should be disqualified from being called a Neo-Nazi and be called a fake Nazi instead. Real Nazis didn’t like Russians and they also didn’t deny the Holocaust, rather they committed it.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @reiner Tor

    The Holocaust didn't happen, it's a simple fact. If you researched it, you would find this out.

    , @Bookish1
    @reiner Tor

    If you actually believe that the holocaust happened go to Stormfront.org>History and Revision>Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn't happen for the most consice and common sense proof that the holocaust story is a bunch of baloney.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Kent Nationalist

  33. @Pericles
    @SafeNow

    Atlas Cringed, if you will. But in that scenario, it's not a matter of obedience but merely time before your benefits get cut, your assets seized and you yourself shipped off to Happy Farms (once productivity flags).

    Replies: @Anyone with a brain, @AndrewR

    Atlas will indeed cringe. Atlas is being replaced by technology. Productive and essential people make a decent living in the U.S and they will be kept satisfied.

    That is not to say those who were once productive and essential, and have now become excess workers due to technology will face lay offs and marginalization and basically be thrusted by society into a pre-suicidal stage of their life.

    The human component of Atlas will shrink and the capital(machines, patents, algorithms, property) will expand while being belonging to fewer and fewer people. Atlas can’t shrug because the unsatisfied elements are getting kicked out and atlas is becoming more of an object than a being. If one is seriously considering shrugging, one probably isn’t a component of the economic Atlas.

    • Disagree: That Would Be Telling
  34. @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore it was needed to send in foreign inteligence armed batallions of diversants (Girkin, Bezler etc) in order to incite and sustain "civil war" even in most pro-RF Ukraine territories as without them there would have been some short term civil riots happening at most.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard-Mandela

    Stop projecting the Lithuanian scenario you dummy. 40 years of total love and zero resistance to Soviet rule and 200 years of Russian “occupation” would be something to say required foreign help to overcome.
    Tsar was building many hospitals for Lithuania, I don’t see you fools in a rush to replace russian rail gauge. We all know the peace, prosperity and happiness Soviet times gave you idiots. If answered honestly , far more Lithuanians were in favour of keeping Ignalina operating than were in going away from USSR….but we all know what prostituting statehood has resulted for in Lithuania ( though of course non-comparably better to Ukropia). You were an authoritarian dictatorship, where the dictator ELIMINATED parliament for 14 years – because of this after the coward ran away – Soviets were begged to incorporate them into USSR.

    As for Banderastan – what happened once again you cretin was another failure by the country to run itself, resulting in another farce and another power vaccum that brought evil Nazi scum into the state apparatus with western backing .This was a failed state taken over by Nazi’s . Get that into your thick head. To go with this serious farce – arrests, laws and violence perfectly show Russian views were completely accurate.

    You fools are run by Americans , so think of Americana films as Shane and Magnificent Seven, that perfectly describes similar scenario of these people who entered Lugansk and Donetsk to defend people of Donbass.

    It’s amazing – a scumbag state ordered by US and demands for IMF loan, initiates war against civilians trying to resist this farce or at least be negotiated with…but you blame the innocent side?!

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard-Mandela

    haha, nice to spot such a genuine and honest fan of interwar Lithuanian parliamentarism popping up here :) btw, post-stalinist Soviet period can be viewed as somewhat tolerable just for the one reason that under our local kinda national-communist leader Snieckus (IIRC the only one local leader in USSR who managed to rule uninterupted under Stalin, Kruschev and Breznev) numbers of imported Soviet colonists were somehow kept at manageable levels, which was stark difference from Estonia&Latvia at the same time.

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire ;)

    But what all of the above has got to do with the modern RF premeditated incitement and organizing of hot "civil war" in eastern Ukraine, I have no idea.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard

  35. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    Nobody is going to deny the fact that there are many different strange sub-stories subsumed within the background of the war in Donbas. That a lot of Russian nationalists are fighting on the Kyivan side of the war is hard to accept, based on one or two video clips. It would make a lot more sense that a few Russian nationalists have penetrated to the other side and are working as spy's for the rebel militias, and vice versa, I would think.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    There are more hard-core Russian National Socialists and White Nationalists fighting on the Ukrainian side than on the Donbass and Lugansk side. Probably around a third of Azov Battalion is ethnic Russian.

    On the other side of the conflict, in the early stages there was the Mil’chakov units (БТРГ Русич and Варяг) fighting for pro-Russian rebels. They were affiliated with a field commander who accepted ultra-nationalists (Бэтмэн), then this field-commander got executed by the Russian side and the Rusich/Varyag guys moved out of Donbass. They are now fighting as mercenaries in the Middle East, Lybia, even Africa perhaps.

    The reason for that is the complete and utter illegality of any form of Russian ultra-nationalism and the fringe status of the more “intellectual ” Russian nationalist narrative in RusFed. In his last public address, Putin has again stressed that the slogan “Russia for Russians ” is a bad one and should not be tolerated. It is paradoxically easier to be a Russian National Socialist or White Nationalist in Ukraine, than in Russia itself.

    In Russia you can literally end up in prison if you are too outspoken as a nationalist and if you engage in public debate and/or politics. Scores of Russian nationalists ended-up jailed, often on made-up accusations. Recently Tesak got murdered in prison and the government has proceeded with a cover up of his murder. The only type of “pseudo-nationalists ” being tolerated are the “professional patriots” that are actually funded in one way or another by the RusFed authorities.

    With the exception of Jihadists, no other political group is more feared and repressed in RusFed than Russian National Socialists and White Nationalists. Anyone who talks about Putin being a nationalist or RusFed being the nationalist Russian state doesn’t know what he is talking about.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  36. @Anatoly Karlin
    @anyone with a brain

    There was less Asabiyyah in Ukraine than in the US.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anyone with a brain, @Mr. XYZ

    What makes you say that? I have to ask because in my view the U.S has one of the lowest levels of asabiyyah in the world, for Ukraine to have less asabiyyah than the U.S would be shocking to me and would also BTFO my hypothesis.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anyone with a brain

    Ethnic Ukraine has a decent level of what you call "asabiyyah" but the country as a whole did not.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  37. @Anatoly Karlin
    @sudden death

    I'm sure a hypothetical American Civil War II will see plenty of foreign adventurers too. Probably the largest such contingent in world history.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ

    No doubt, but supply lines and help for those foreign operatives would be quite harder to organize in US than those in Ukraine as even with uninterrupted supplies over the border RF operated “mercenaries” were unable to withstand the Ukrainian pressure and covert army invasion, albeit if limited in scope and duration, was needed for the “civil war” not to end quickly.

    • Replies: @anonlb
    @sudden death

    War is serious bussines enterprise and proper funding is esential. In case of Yugoslavia West heavily invested in local fringe groups, the same scenario is applied for Ukraine. Maybee chinese are hoarding all those USD reserves for similar purpose in their little Cold War 2.0 with US and turn it in Civil War 2.0.

  38. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Neo-Nazi
     
    I think anyone believing that Hitler loved Russians or didn’t kill Jews should be disqualified from being called a Neo-Nazi and be called a fake Nazi instead. Real Nazis didn’t like Russians and they also didn’t deny the Holocaust, rather they committed it.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Bookish1

    The Holocaust didn’t happen, it’s a simple fact. If you researched it, you would find this out.

    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
  39. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    Despite being Russian nationalists they fight for the integrity of the Ukrainian territories, some die for Ukraine, while many Ukrainians dodge the draft.
     
    Yes, imagine this level of cucked.

    Happily they only constitute about 10% of Russian nationalists. They were also predominantly Neo-Nazi and/or liberal types, so marginalizing them has had salutary effects on the movement as a whole.

    Replies: @reiner Tor, @Bashibuzuk

    imagine this level of cucked

    They’re not cucked, they are basically members of the White National Socialist International. You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.

    Why don’t you write something about the way Russian National Socialists and ultra-nationalists are treated in the RusFed?

    The swastika and the kolovrat, Indo-European symbols from times immemorial have been outlawed as “Nazi symbols “. You can end up in prison if you organize a National Socialist, a White Nationalist or even just a Russian ultra-nationalist group or association. “Russia for Russians ” is a bad slogan according to Putin himself. I wonder what he would think about “Russia for Rothenbergs” or “Chechnya for Vaynakhs” slogans, he would probably find them both quite appropriate.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's interesting to note that over time I seem to get more submerged information out of comments like yours than I do from Karlin. No offense Anatoly, but it seems that a lot of your posts are starting to all merge around the predictable and milk toast variety of postings. Bashibuzuk's criticism has some validity, you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on and get out of the house and write something more exotic or at least more "reality" based. Please don't take this criticism too personally, for I still find your blog to be quite interesting, it's just that you need to jazz it up a bit with some more original material. Rehashing already published statistics gets a bit ho-hum, don't you think?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Jatt Aryaa

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.
     
    I'm not exactly close to Kholmogorov, I'm not even on the same page as him on many issues (too much obscurantism and American rightoidism for me - he really went hard on the MAGA cope), but given the choice, yes, I would much rather be "close" to the inventor of the "Russian Spring" than an emigre whose key positions on Russia de facto align with those of the State Department and whose main distinction from them is a greater appreciation for swastikas, kolovrats, and related pagan larp. (BTW, kolovrats being banned is another one of your weird claims that don't align with Russian reality, kolovrat themed jewelry can be bought online or at the touristy part of any historical Russian town).

    As a matter of fact, I did write about the persecution of Russian nationalists several years ago (even triggering some sovoks into leaving my blog - though, no big loss). E.g., https://www.unz.com/akarlin/country-282/ It's also the case that Article 282 was decriminalized in December 2019, fulfilling a long-standing Russian nationalist demand (something else that seems to have passed you by in your emigre bubble). It is now very hard to fall afoul of Russian hate speech laws short of parading around in swastikas and shouting "Glory to Ukraine." My commiserations, since that seems to be your preferred flavor of "Russian nationalism", but I can't say I care very much. They are just a more racist version of Antifa, just as much useful idiots of the West and considerably more stupid .

    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don't write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  40. @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Neo-Nazi
     
    I think anyone believing that Hitler loved Russians or didn’t kill Jews should be disqualified from being called a Neo-Nazi and be called a fake Nazi instead. Real Nazis didn’t like Russians and they also didn’t deny the Holocaust, rather they committed it.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Bookish1

    If you actually believe that the holocaust happened go to Stormfront.org>History and Revision>Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn’t happen for the most consice and common sense proof that the holocaust story is a bunch of baloney.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Troll: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Bookish1

    https://www.bitchute.com/channel/d8bbtV9NkWMd/

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Bookish1

    Debating the Holocaust by Thomas Dalton is also a very good introduction. The publisher is actually based in Britain, which surprised me.

    It is sad how people like AK can cling so stubbornly to the obviously false Holocaust narrative. My only conclusions are that he has deliberately avoided the topic, is much more stupid than I thought or is engaging in Taqiyya because it is illegal in Russia.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  41. Shit, they are going to cancel Substack right after I got a Gray Mirror subscription! And I bet that if they only censor a few people, then along with Greenwald, for sure Gray Mirror is going to go. What a loss of money! Not in the practical sense, but in an ironic timing sense. And all I got out of it was a few days of premium insider content such as:

    –Why prohibit newspeak? It’s simple: newspeak is a weapon. Its only purpose is to bully. Keeping newspeak out of your conversation is like keeping pistols out of your saloon.
    If newspeak is not being used in earnest, of course, it is okay. This isn’t the New York Times! Any word can be used ironically or described critically. Use “scare quotes.”
    But when that jargon of power, the langue du bois, the LTI, is heard in an urbane space—it is exactly like hearing the Black Speech of Mordor at some gay elf hot-tub party in Rivendell—
    Everyone stops. Everyone loses their hardon. What the fuck! Sorry. No. This is a safe space. Roleplay is one thing—dude—we don’t do that. We don’t use the tongue of Mordor. Or did you think it was funny? Look, man—there’s elves here who—”–

    I think the author would be okay for me cutting out a small paragraph out of his many thousand worded essay. Probably counts as advertisement. It’s the gay elves and similar outtakes that make the content powerful.

  42. @Bookish1
    @reiner Tor

    If you actually believe that the holocaust happened go to Stormfront.org>History and Revision>Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn't happen for the most consice and common sense proof that the holocaust story is a bunch of baloney.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Kent Nationalist

  43. @Anyone with a brain
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What makes you say that? I have to ask because in my view the U.S has one of the lowest levels of asabiyyah in the world, for Ukraine to have less asabiyyah than the U.S would be shocking to me and would also BTFO my hypothesis.

    Replies: @AP

    Ethnic Ukraine has a decent level of what you call “asabiyyah” but the country as a whole did not.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @AP

    By ethnic Ukraine you mean NOT the Slovaks, Poles or Hungarians living in the far west of the Ukraine and NOT the Crimean Tatars? (Well, Crimea is part of Russia, but I’m trying to understand what you mean by ethnic Ukraine. Thanks :)

    Replies: @AP

  44. @Shortsword
    @mal

    Almost 600% price increase. Interesting. But who was paying according to these prices and what were they sending up?

    Replies: @mal

    Usually it’s students and school research projects (as shown in this footage from 1994).

    Also people studying space manufacturing.

    Those price hikes affect commercial projects only. They mentioned Tom Cruise thinking about filming a movie there and a cosmetics company making a commercial.

  45. @Shortsword
    Viktor Bout before Thai looksmaxxing protocol:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/03/07/world/07dealer-span-600.jpg

    After:

    https://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/08/23/victor-07cf8c5de9f0d473a552c858bcd7e0c6d51f14ae-s800-c85.jpg

    https://images.csmonitor.com/csmarchives/2009/10/article_photo1_253.jpg

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/10/26/nyregion/BOUT/BOUT-jumbo.jpg

    Replies: @joniel, @songbird

    Wow. Did he get the Novichok treatment?

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @joniel

    Two years in prison in Thailand (before being extradited to United States).

  46. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    imagine this level of cucked
     
    They're not cucked, they are basically members of the White National Socialist International. You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.

    Why don't you write something about the way Russian National Socialists and ultra-nationalists are treated in the RusFed?

    The swastika and the kolovrat, Indo-European symbols from times immemorial have been outlawed as "Nazi symbols ". You can end up in prison if you organize a National Socialist, a White Nationalist or even just a Russian ultra-nationalist group or association. "Russia for Russians " is a bad slogan according to Putin himself. I wonder what he would think about "Russia for Rothenbergs" or "Chechnya for Vaynakhs" slogans, he would probably find them both quite appropriate.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s interesting to note that over time I seem to get more submerged information out of comments like yours than I do from Karlin. No offense Anatoly, but it seems that a lot of your posts are starting to all merge around the predictable and milk toast variety of postings. Bashibuzuk’s criticism has some validity, you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on and get out of the house and write something more exotic or at least more “reality” based. Please don’t take this criticism too personally, for I still find your blog to be quite interesting, it’s just that you need to jazz it up a bit with some more original material. Rehashing already published statistics gets a bit ho-hum, don’t you think?

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
    • Troll: Tor597
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack


    you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on
     
    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies.

    https://s41.radikal.ru/i092/1110/67/1f3ed27e0016.jpg

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/PxyfUYJDIVvpNwSrN4S-EmhlgMh4mtB2bzbeSU25wdKTA8QMsW_ijmmb4am1JUmQ_g88RJw3PV0fP0dMYHsYKL65T4zdsQApTixgU_VwrwVuLwym9UqUW-bDQHA

    (I could literally be brought to justice in the RusFed for posting this.)

    https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8B%20&mda=0&lr=21382

    I wonder what would the RusFed intellectual elites think of these people. Would Margarita Simonian approve of them?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Mr. Hack

    , @Jatt Aryaa
    @Mr. Hack

    Putin reads his blog, and he's working on the bifurcation. 🤷‍♀️

    - Which I think he should release as 3-4 1500-2000 word essays over 2-3 months rather than a 7500 word effort post no one will read (or proofread)

    👍

  47. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's interesting to note that over time I seem to get more submerged information out of comments like yours than I do from Karlin. No offense Anatoly, but it seems that a lot of your posts are starting to all merge around the predictable and milk toast variety of postings. Bashibuzuk's criticism has some validity, you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on and get out of the house and write something more exotic or at least more "reality" based. Please don't take this criticism too personally, for I still find your blog to be quite interesting, it's just that you need to jazz it up a bit with some more original material. Rehashing already published statistics gets a bit ho-hum, don't you think?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Jatt Aryaa

    you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on

    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/PxyfUYJDIVvpNwSrN4S-EmhlgMh4mtB2bzbeSU25wdKTA8QMsW_ijmmb4am1JUmQ_g88RJw3PV0fP0dMYHsYKL65T4zdsQApTixgU_VwrwVuLwym9UqUW-bDQHA

    (I could literally be brought to justice in the RusFed for posting this.)

    https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8B%20&mda=0&lr=21382

    I wonder what would the RusFed intellectual elites think of these people. Would Margarita Simonian approve of them?

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Bashibuzuk


    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies
     
    As you most certainly would know, they represented but one faction within the community, one that I'm proud to acknowledge my ancestors did not support. Despite been fervent Anti Bolsheviks several of my family members volunteered to fight for The Red Army during World War II . This might confuse some, but I'm certain you'd understand their reasoning.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/RFP_Manchouli_Swastica.jpg

    Manzhouli China 1930s

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Zaveshanie.jpg

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Rattus Norwegius

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    I have to admit that I sometimes find it hard to understand your "Russian nationalist" sympathies? You make it somewhat clear here that you sympathize with some of the most right wing nationalist parties and their ideologies, and yet within some of your most recent comments at other threads you've also remarked how you sympathize with the various ethnic minorities within Russia and their language and cultural rights too. How do you manage to make it all hang together?

  48. @mal
    @songbird

    Well, modern global vision starts with Count Kalergi and Otto von Habsburg, both of Austro-Hungarian Empire. They created pan European confederation, and created EU flag and anthem. They even proposed to cross breed Europeans with Africans to better fight Russia or something. We live in their vision today.

    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn't like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) - it was called Casablanca, a war time cult classic. It helped popularize modern mindset ("The Resistance" of rich nobility meeting in a posh nightclub, and a ticket to America as a get out of jail card) which is basically your garden variety neoliberalism.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/from-utopian-dream-to-political-reality-1.758464?mode=amp

    The weirdest thing about it is its not over. They keep popping up again and again.

    Like it was Habsburg who led the first humanitarian convoy into Lithuania in 1991 signifying European backing of anti-Communist protests there and contributing to USSR collapse.

    Remember Navalny story about him calling FSB officer regarding his own poisoning? The guy Navalny was with is Christo Grosev. Grosev was an executive director for a Dutch radio station that Habsburg owns. And Grosev is a Bulgarian who got his start in Metromedia Russia. Metromedia was giant American conglomerate that created Fox News network among others. Person who created Metromedia was a German named John Kluge and he served in US Army intelligence during WW2.

    Remember Derkach? Ukrainian politician famous for leaking Poroshenko Biden tapes? Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station (they run a media empire, that how you control the narrative). Under Yanukovich, Derkach had his own radio station and his orders were to outbid Habsburg owned station at the broadcast license auctions. Habsburg owned station got nothing and there was a lot of complaining. Obviously, under Poroshenko that changed and Habsburgs got broadcasting rights, including to Donbas, but they soured on the project by then.

    It's like World War 1 never ended.

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Svevlad

    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn’t like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) – it was called Casablanca

    Definitely, a lot of war-themed subversion. Sherlock Holmes used to be one of my favorite fictional characters, until I saw some of the awful propaganda movies they made with him – and then I started to think, well, Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.

    And Casablanca definitely hits the mark about borders and even race – I had forgotten about that dimension of it.

    Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station

    In an American context, on the level of globalism, it is hard to appreciate how subversive radio is, as all the foreign stuff is lower status, but once you go abroad, you start to wonder, why are they playing all this American music in a non-English speaking country? Why are they reporting on race stories from America? Or, why are they teaching Africans English and French? If anything, they should be trying to shift their tongues to even more alien modes, with more clicks and no shared words.

    Though I was referring to WW2 originally, I think a lot of the big border changes after WWI oddly helped to foment globalism, as they affected a certain ethnic group who felt that their ability to move had become more circumscribed. I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird


    I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.
     
    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception. There is absolutely nothing truly American about Hollywood.

    https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/hollywoodism-jews-movies-and-the-american-dream-1200453087/

    And yes a lot of early Hollywood moguls went directly from "Poland to playing polo" in a single generation. They were talented people, no doubt about it...

    Replies: @songbird, @for-the-record, @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @songbird


    Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.
     
    There was one story which I remember being pro-race-mixing.

    Replies: @songbird

  49. @songbird
    @mal


    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn’t like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) – it was called Casablanca
     
    Definitely, a lot of war-themed subversion. Sherlock Holmes used to be one of my favorite fictional characters, until I saw some of the awful propaganda movies they made with him - and then I started to think, well, Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.

    And Casablanca definitely hits the mark about borders and even race - I had forgotten about that dimension of it.

    Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station
     
    In an American context, on the level of globalism, it is hard to appreciate how subversive radio is, as all the foreign stuff is lower status, but once you go abroad, you start to wonder, why are they playing all this American music in a non-English speaking country? Why are they reporting on race stories from America? Or, why are they teaching Africans English and French? If anything, they should be trying to shift their tongues to even more alien modes, with more clicks and no shared words.

    Though I was referring to WW2 originally, I think a lot of the big border changes after WWI oddly helped to foment globalism, as they affected a certain ethnic group who felt that their ability to move had become more circumscribed. I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Kent Nationalist

    I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.

    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception. There is absolutely nothing truly American about Hollywood.

    https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/hollywoodism-jews-movies-and-the-american-dream-1200453087/

    And yes a lot of early Hollywood moguls went directly from “Poland to playing polo” in a single generation. They were talented people, no doubt about it…

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Bashibuzuk

    IMO, one of the major subversions of Western society was that Europeans were tricked into thinking that Hollywood was their cultural center.

    Even today, you can find a lot of WASP or gentile talent there, but they would not really be allowed to segregate together and say, "We want to make cultural films for Europeans." The necessary freedom of association does not really exist to create a brand like that.

    I wish that some of the foreign markets that allow the entrance of Hollywood films were more protected and at least set some sort of preference for national-cultural productions in their foreign slots, instead of this globohomo stuff.

    , @for-the-record
    @Bashibuzuk

    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception.


    "The names Harry Cohn, William Fox, Carl Laemmle, Louis B. Mayer, Jack and Harry Warner, and Adolph Zucker are giants in the history of contemporary Hollywood, outsiders who dared to invent their own vision of the American Dream. Even to this day, the American values defined largely by the movies of these émigrés endure in American cinema and culture. Who these men were, how they came to dominate Hollywood, and what they gained and lost in the process is the exhilarating story of An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood".

    https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Their-Own-Invented-Hollywood/dp/0385265573
     
    , @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    They were also quite adept at creating the classical American myth including American folklore, music, art and political orientation. Many of these Jewish Hollywood moguls had become so "American" so quickly that they only very slowly started to produce anti-Nazi propaganda films, not wanting to advertise their European Jewish roots and draw attention to themselves. Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more. Oscar Hammerstein II was undoubtedly the big heavy when it came to producing musical scores for some of the most memorable American film musicals of the 1950's - 1960's. Yeah, they were indeed a "very talented people, no doubt about it."

    Replies: @EldnahYm

    , @Dmitry
    @Bashibuzuk

    In 1940s, the great Hollywood films seem often to be from either a Central European Jewish immigrants who were acculturated in a tradition of opera (Billy Wilder, Fritz Lang, Charles Victor, Michael Curtiz, ​et al), or from an American culture with influence of the 19th century American transcendentalism, moral messages about self-reliance and frontier values. including a lot of violence (John Huston, Howard Hawks, John Ford).

    So for example, there is the very "Central European" atmosphere films Billy Wilder's Sunset Boulevard, made from immigrants from Hungary, Austria and Germany, that grew up with the opera as the art that they tried to recreate. This is like the "sophisticated coffee drinking" Viennese Hollywood atmosphere films.

    https://i.imgur.com/u6tqEBl.jpg

    On the other hand, there was also great Hollywood films who have a message which is mixture of protestant sermons and nature spirituality (American transcendentalism). I think John Huston films have such a brutal morality and frontier mythology, that emerged locally in the American 19th century.
    https://i.imgur.com/ZpSOFed.jpg

    Replies: @Gerard-Mandela

  50. @mal
    @songbird

    Well, modern global vision starts with Count Kalergi and Otto von Habsburg, both of Austro-Hungarian Empire. They created pan European confederation, and created EU flag and anthem. They even proposed to cross breed Europeans with Africans to better fight Russia or something. We live in their vision today.

    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn't like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) - it was called Casablanca, a war time cult classic. It helped popularize modern mindset ("The Resistance" of rich nobility meeting in a posh nightclub, and a ticket to America as a get out of jail card) which is basically your garden variety neoliberalism.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/from-utopian-dream-to-political-reality-1.758464?mode=amp

    The weirdest thing about it is its not over. They keep popping up again and again.

    Like it was Habsburg who led the first humanitarian convoy into Lithuania in 1991 signifying European backing of anti-Communist protests there and contributing to USSR collapse.

    Remember Navalny story about him calling FSB officer regarding his own poisoning? The guy Navalny was with is Christo Grosev. Grosev was an executive director for a Dutch radio station that Habsburg owns. And Grosev is a Bulgarian who got his start in Metromedia Russia. Metromedia was giant American conglomerate that created Fox News network among others. Person who created Metromedia was a German named John Kluge and he served in US Army intelligence during WW2.

    Remember Derkach? Ukrainian politician famous for leaking Poroshenko Biden tapes? Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station (they run a media empire, that how you control the narrative). Under Yanukovich, Derkach had his own radio station and his orders were to outbid Habsburg owned station at the broadcast license auctions. Habsburg owned station got nothing and there was a lot of complaining. Obviously, under Poroshenko that changed and Habsburgs got broadcasting rights, including to Donbas, but they soured on the project by then.

    It's like World War 1 never ended.

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Svevlad

    You are absolutely correct. I have commented about it previously a couple of times on the Navslny threads. And I have also written a couple of times about young Klaus Shwab being a kissing buddy with Otto Von Habsburg.

    https://www.facebook.com/worldeconomicforum/photos/klaus-schwab-world-economic-forum-annual-meeting-1971-european-management-sympos/10150229212286479/

    And Otto Von Habsburg ‘s wife lived in Québec during WW2 where she met the family of Joseph Philippe Pierre Yves Elliott Trudeau (I like to copy paste his name in full).

    https://www.dw.com/en/the-future-as-seen-by-documentary-filmmakers/a-51374361

    Perhaps it is the Habsburg against the Windsor all over again?

    (Just kidding, in fact it is the Anunaki against the Nordic Pleiadians).

  51. @Pericles
    @SafeNow

    Atlas Cringed, if you will. But in that scenario, it's not a matter of obedience but merely time before your benefits get cut, your assets seized and you yourself shipped off to Happy Farms (once productivity flags).

    Replies: @Anyone with a brain, @AndrewR

    Indeed. Our rulers have mastered game theory and praxis. I know people don’t like to read pessimistic comments, but I see no plausible future where the “99%” succeeds in seizing the assets of the elites and [redacted] the elites. And in the 0.00000000000001% chance that this occurs, then the fight over the spoils will break down in the exact same way it does now. The mulignan ain’t ever gonna stop blaming whitey.

  52. @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird


    I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.
     
    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception. There is absolutely nothing truly American about Hollywood.

    https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/hollywoodism-jews-movies-and-the-american-dream-1200453087/

    And yes a lot of early Hollywood moguls went directly from "Poland to playing polo" in a single generation. They were talented people, no doubt about it...

    Replies: @songbird, @for-the-record, @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    IMO, one of the major subversions of Western society was that Europeans were tricked into thinking that Hollywood was their cultural center.

    Even today, you can find a lot of WASP or gentile talent there, but they would not really be allowed to segregate together and say, “We want to make cultural films for Europeans.” The necessary freedom of association does not really exist to create a brand like that.

    I wish that some of the foreign markets that allow the entrance of Hollywood films were more protected and at least set some sort of preference for national-cultural productions in their foreign slots, instead of this globohomo stuff.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  53. @Shortsword
    Viktor Bout before Thai looksmaxxing protocol:

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2008/03/07/world/07dealer-span-600.jpg

    After:

    https://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/08/23/victor-07cf8c5de9f0d473a552c858bcd7e0c6d51f14ae-s800-c85.jpg

    https://images.csmonitor.com/csmarchives/2009/10/article_photo1_253.jpg

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2011/10/26/nyregion/BOUT/BOUT-jumbo.jpg

    Replies: @joniel, @songbird

    Speaking of Thais, I get the feeling that Chinese like to make fun of SE Asians in their movies – hint that they are clownish and half-black. Like I watched one set in Thailand a while back, and they had this thug they called “Vietnam”, and he had an afro, which I thought was really funny.

  54. @SafeNow
    @A123

    That’s a funny “worst president ever” concept, thanks. But I would consider awarding the trophy to Lincoln. He harvested 750,000 (the new estimate) lives, over a problem that existed in 7% of US households, and had maybe two decades left before it was totally gone in the Western world. And resentments lingered, and in fact still linger.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MacRead

    Your comment implies that most of the resentment is from aggrieved southerners. I would strongly disagree with that.

    An extremely large portion of the resentment comes from “people” who weren’t even in the US in the 1860s.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  55. @songbird
    @mal


    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn’t like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) – it was called Casablanca
     
    Definitely, a lot of war-themed subversion. Sherlock Holmes used to be one of my favorite fictional characters, until I saw some of the awful propaganda movies they made with him - and then I started to think, well, Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.

    And Casablanca definitely hits the mark about borders and even race - I had forgotten about that dimension of it.

    Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station
     
    In an American context, on the level of globalism, it is hard to appreciate how subversive radio is, as all the foreign stuff is lower status, but once you go abroad, you start to wonder, why are they playing all this American music in a non-English speaking country? Why are they reporting on race stories from America? Or, why are they teaching Africans English and French? If anything, they should be trying to shift their tongues to even more alien modes, with more clicks and no shared words.

    Though I was referring to WW2 originally, I think a lot of the big border changes after WWI oddly helped to foment globalism, as they affected a certain ethnic group who felt that their ability to move had become more circumscribed. I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Kent Nationalist

    Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.

    There was one story which I remember being pro-race-mixing.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Kent Nationalist

    In one of the newer films with Robert Downey Jr., there is a scene where he appears in drag - disturbing in a modern context. And then I thought, "But Doyle did have a scene like this - he gave them an excuse to put it in there."

    On a tangent, I found a scene in a Chinese movie Detective Dee quite disturbing and was surprised the censors let it in there:

    In one scene, a topless girl lay on top of the title character, with heavy sexual undertones. In another scene, she has the appearance of an old man with stubble (a different actor, who CGI morphs into her, once her secret identity is guessed), and we learn that she can radically shift her appearance. Though, it turns out, she really is a female. Obviously, there are subversive undertones here.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

  56. @sudden death
    @Anatoly Karlin

    No doubt, but supply lines and help for those foreign operatives would be quite harder to organize in US than those in Ukraine as even with uninterrupted supplies over the border RF operated "mercenaries" were unable to withstand the Ukrainian pressure and covert army invasion, albeit if limited in scope and duration, was needed for the "civil war" not to end quickly.

    Replies: @anonlb

    War is serious bussines enterprise and proper funding is esential. In case of Yugoslavia West heavily invested in local fringe groups, the same scenario is applied for Ukraine. Maybee chinese are hoarding all those USD reserves for similar purpose in their little Cold War 2.0 with US and turn it in Civil War 2.0.

  57. @joniel
    @Shortsword

    Wow. Did he get the Novichok treatment?

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Two years in prison in Thailand (before being extradited to United States).

  58. @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird


    I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.
     
    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception. There is absolutely nothing truly American about Hollywood.

    https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/hollywoodism-jews-movies-and-the-american-dream-1200453087/

    And yes a lot of early Hollywood moguls went directly from "Poland to playing polo" in a single generation. They were talented people, no doubt about it...

    Replies: @songbird, @for-the-record, @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception.

    “The names Harry Cohn, William Fox, Carl Laemmle, Louis B. Mayer, Jack and Harry Warner, and Adolph Zucker are giants in the history of contemporary Hollywood, outsiders who dared to invent their own vision of the American Dream. Even to this day, the American values defined largely by the movies of these émigrés endure in American cinema and culture. Who these men were, how they came to dominate Hollywood, and what they gained and lost in the process is the exhilarating story of An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews Invented Hollywood”.

    https://www.amazon.com/Empire-Their-Own-Invented-Hollywood/dp/0385265573

  59. @Kent Nationalist
    @songbird


    Doyle actually did have a Holmes story something like this, and it even touts an American brand.
     
    There was one story which I remember being pro-race-mixing.

    Replies: @songbird

    In one of the newer films with Robert Downey Jr., there is a scene where he appears in drag – disturbing in a modern context. And then I thought, “But Doyle did have a scene like this – he gave them an excuse to put it in there.”

    On a tangent, I found a scene in a Chinese movie Detective Dee quite disturbing and was surprised the censors let it in there:

    [MORE]

    In one scene, a topless girl lay on top of the title character, with heavy sexual undertones. In another scene, she has the appearance of an old man with stubble (a different actor, who CGI morphs into her, once her secret identity is guessed), and we learn that she can radically shift her appearance. Though, it turns out, she really is a female. Obviously, there are subversive undertones here.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @songbird

    I haven't read any of those books, but I know the author's day job was as an expert in Tang pornography, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was also some sort of pervert.

    It interests me that they have been made into Chinese films.

    Replies: @songbird

  60. @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack


    you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on
     
    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies.

    https://s41.radikal.ru/i092/1110/67/1f3ed27e0016.jpg

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/PxyfUYJDIVvpNwSrN4S-EmhlgMh4mtB2bzbeSU25wdKTA8QMsW_ijmmb4am1JUmQ_g88RJw3PV0fP0dMYHsYKL65T4zdsQApTixgU_VwrwVuLwym9UqUW-bDQHA

    (I could literally be brought to justice in the RusFed for posting this.)

    https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8B%20&mda=0&lr=21382

    I wonder what would the RusFed intellectual elites think of these people. Would Margarita Simonian approve of them?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Mr. Hack

    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies

    As you most certainly would know, they represented but one faction within the community, one that I’m proud to acknowledge my ancestors did not support. Despite been fervent Anti Bolsheviks several of my family members volunteered to fight for The Red Army during World War II . This might confuse some, but I’m certain you’d understand their reasoning.

    Manzhouli China 1930s

    [MORE]

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Blinky Bill


    I’m certain you’d understand their reasoning.
     
    Of course.

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?
     
    Unfortunately didn't have a chance. I did not know it was published in Moscow (probably would be impossible today). All I have read were bits of information found around the internet. I remember my surprise some 20 years ago when I first read about the Russian Fascist organization. Harbin has probably been a fascinating place back then.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @silviosilver

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Blinky Bill

    Help! I can't read the cover of this forbidden book. Tell us more. Thanks!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Blinky Bill

    Rodzaevsky's Last Testament of a Russian Fascist can be easily found in electronic format on the Internet and even from individual vendors online.

    Out of interest, I got a copy (electronic - no wish to splash out 6,000 rubles on a physical one, whose main value would be the shock one of having a "forbidden book" on my bookshelf) and was greatly disappointed. Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else - I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.

    If it was legal to sell it, I doubt any more people would read it. Perhaps fewer.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Blinky Bill

    , @Rattus Norwegius
    @Blinky Bill

    Were not many of the White Emigres who volunteered for Red Army service killed or persecuted soon after arriving in the Soviet Union?

    Also i once read that there was a culture clash between the Harbin Russians who resettled in Russia, and the 'Red Russians', whom the Harbiners considered uncouth. Are you familiar with the experience of the White Emigres who resettled in USSR?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

  61. @songbird
    @Kent Nationalist

    In one of the newer films with Robert Downey Jr., there is a scene where he appears in drag - disturbing in a modern context. And then I thought, "But Doyle did have a scene like this - he gave them an excuse to put it in there."

    On a tangent, I found a scene in a Chinese movie Detective Dee quite disturbing and was surprised the censors let it in there:

    In one scene, a topless girl lay on top of the title character, with heavy sexual undertones. In another scene, she has the appearance of an old man with stubble (a different actor, who CGI morphs into her, once her secret identity is guessed), and we learn that she can radically shift her appearance. Though, it turns out, she really is a female. Obviously, there are subversive undertones here.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    I haven’t read any of those books, but I know the author’s day job was as an expert in Tang pornography, so it wouldn’t surprise me if he was also some sort of pervert.

    It interests me that they have been made into Chinese films.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Kent Nationalist

    Haven't read any of the books myself.

    I wonder how much Robert van Gulik was responsible for popularizing the character within China, especially if you consider the communist takeover. Translated from English first into Japanese and then Chinese! I hadn't realized that his work had been translated into Chinese - I thought all of it had come from translations of Chinese stories about Dee and that he hadn't written anything original.

  62. While the U.S. Fake Stream Media is still covering up Veggie Joe’s mental deterioration. The rest of the world is shining a spotlight on it. (1)

    The mainstream media are playing the part of the courtiers and townsfolk in “The emperor’s new clothes.” Along comes historian and Spectator deputy editor Dominic Green to play the part of the little child in the Telegraph column “President Biden is crumbling before our eyes.” Here is the top half:

    Joe Biden’s decline has become so painful to see and so embarrassing to watch that it feels cruel to mention it. But it’s even more cruel that Biden’s team act as if it’s not happening, and most of America’s media look the other way.

    On Thursday night, Biden marked the first anniversary of the Covid-19 shutdowns and his fiftieth day in the White House by giving the first televised address of his presidency. He hadn’t been seen in public for three days.

    From the moment he wheezed up to the lectern and peered into the camera, you could tell Biden was on top form: croaky sentiment, sporadic belligerence, and only the occasional moment when he looked oddly distant and perplexed.

    He got through twenty minutes, then tottered off without taking any questions. This is how low the bar now is for Biden. And we can see how hard Biden has to fight, and what a long run-up he requires, if he is to clear it.

    When will the DNC be forced to admit the truth about Biden’s mental incapacity?

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/but-he-hasnt-got-anything-on.php

  63. @Blinky Bill
    @Bashibuzuk


    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies
     
    As you most certainly would know, they represented but one faction within the community, one that I'm proud to acknowledge my ancestors did not support. Despite been fervent Anti Bolsheviks several of my family members volunteered to fight for The Red Army during World War II . This might confuse some, but I'm certain you'd understand their reasoning.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/RFP_Manchouli_Swastica.jpg

    Manzhouli China 1930s

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Zaveshanie.jpg

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Rattus Norwegius

    I’m certain you’d understand their reasoning.

    Of course.

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?

    Unfortunately didn’t have a chance. I did not know it was published in Moscow (probably would be impossible today). All I have read were bits of information found around the internet. I remember my surprise some 20 years ago when I first read about the Russian Fascist organization. Harbin has probably been a fascinating place back then.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Bashibuzuk


    it was published in Moscow (probably would be impossible today).
     
    11 октября 2010 г. решением Центрального районного суда г. Красноярска книга была признана в РФ экстремистским материалом[7][8][9], и книга была внесена в Федеральный список экстремистских материалов (№ 861).

    QED
    , @silviosilver
    @Bashibuzuk


    Harbin has probably been a fascinating place back then.
     
    Sorry, but it's grammar nazi time: Harbin was probably a fascinating place back then.

    With respect to the past tense of the verb "to be" (as opposed to "to go"), the rule of thumb is that was/were is virtually always strongly preferred to has/have been. This is especially the case when you include a preposition like "back then"; using has/have been here is simply ungrammatical. Without the preposition has/have been is grammatical, but it just sounds strange; incorrectly using was/were instead of has/have been generally sounds less strange. Eg "I was a good boy, I deserve a cookie!" still sounds okay, even though that would be generally phrased as "I've been a good boy, I deserve a cookie!"


    I did not know it was published in Moscow,
     
    Also, as a stylistic point, when posting, "didn't" is almost always preferable to "did not." (This doesn't apply to more formal writing, as in a newspaper article.)
     
     
  64. Humor for the Open Thread because everyone is too serious….

    Click [MORE] if you dare…

    PEACE 😇

    [MORE]


     

    How KAMAZ breaks in Used Truck salesmen…..

  65. @Bashibuzuk
    @Blinky Bill


    I’m certain you’d understand their reasoning.
     
    Of course.

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?
     
    Unfortunately didn't have a chance. I did not know it was published in Moscow (probably would be impossible today). All I have read were bits of information found around the internet. I remember my surprise some 20 years ago when I first read about the Russian Fascist organization. Harbin has probably been a fascinating place back then.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @silviosilver

    it was published in Moscow (probably would be impossible today).

    11 октября 2010 г. решением Центрального районного суда г. Красноярска книга была признана в РФ экстремистским материалом[7][8][9], и книга была внесена в Федеральный список экстремистских материалов (№ 861).

    QED

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  66. @Kent Nationalist
    @songbird

    I haven't read any of those books, but I know the author's day job was as an expert in Tang pornography, so it wouldn't surprise me if he was also some sort of pervert.

    It interests me that they have been made into Chinese films.

    Replies: @songbird

    Haven’t read any of the books myself.

    I wonder how much Robert van Gulik was responsible for popularizing the character within China, especially if you consider the communist takeover. Translated from English first into Japanese and then Chinese! I hadn’t realized that his work had been translated into Chinese – I thought all of it had come from translations of Chinese stories about Dee and that he hadn’t written anything original.

  67. @Shortsword
    Non-retractable refueling probes should be illegal.

    https://guardingindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/EU7IOLYUEAAlfKY-min-768x448.jpg

    https://asianmilitaryreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/3-3-scaled.jpg

    Replies: @A123

    I would gladly take multiple fixed refueling probes if that was the price to retcon the IVECO S-Way front grill.

    (shudder) (cringe)

    As long as it is black… That hides the problem. No one would order it in a contrasting color? Right? Please?!?! *D’OH*

    PEACE 😇
     

     

  68. @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird


    I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.
     
    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception. There is absolutely nothing truly American about Hollywood.

    https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/hollywoodism-jews-movies-and-the-american-dream-1200453087/

    And yes a lot of early Hollywood moguls went directly from "Poland to playing polo" in a single generation. They were talented people, no doubt about it...

    Replies: @songbird, @for-the-record, @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    They were also quite adept at creating the classical American myth including American folklore, music, art and political orientation. Many of these Jewish Hollywood moguls had become so “American” so quickly that they only very slowly started to produce anti-Nazi propaganda films, not wanting to advertise their European Jewish roots and draw attention to themselves. Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more. Oscar Hammerstein II was undoubtedly the big heavy when it came to producing musical scores for some of the most memorable American film musicals of the 1950’s – 1960’s. Yeah, they were indeed a “very talented people, no doubt about it.”

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    @Mr. Hack


    Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more.
     
    Schoenberg shouldn't be counted as an American composer. Most of his compositions were made in Europe.

    Personally I wish Berlin, Copeland, Gershwin, and Sondheim's dreck had never been created. Some of the film scores by the likes of Korngold, Waxman, and others was ok.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  69. @Blinky Bill
    @Bashibuzuk


    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies
     
    As you most certainly would know, they represented but one faction within the community, one that I'm proud to acknowledge my ancestors did not support. Despite been fervent Anti Bolsheviks several of my family members volunteered to fight for The Red Army during World War II . This might confuse some, but I'm certain you'd understand their reasoning.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/RFP_Manchouli_Swastica.jpg

    Manzhouli China 1930s

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Zaveshanie.jpg

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Rattus Norwegius

    Help! I can’t read the cover of this forbidden book. Tell us more. Thanks!

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack


    я русский бы выучил. только за то,. что им. разговаривал Ленин
     
    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%83_%D1%8E%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D1%83_(%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)

    😉

    The book is a collection of writings by Constantin Rodzaevskyi, the leader of Russian Fascist Organization in Harbin.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

  70. I read recently that the possibility of Iran becoming a member of EAEU is seriously discussed. If it happens, it would be a boon for Russian companies, but…would the Iranians, then, have the right to live and work in Russia? Could Iran become a member, but with exceptions, without Russia having to receive a few million extra migrants? If not, then Iran becoming a member would, ironically, lead to the same outcome that exists now in the West, this time brought forth by a conservative, not liberal, ideology.

  71. @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack


    you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on
     
    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies.

    https://s41.radikal.ru/i092/1110/67/1f3ed27e0016.jpg

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/PxyfUYJDIVvpNwSrN4S-EmhlgMh4mtB2bzbeSU25wdKTA8QMsW_ijmmb4am1JUmQ_g88RJw3PV0fP0dMYHsYKL65T4zdsQApTixgU_VwrwVuLwym9UqUW-bDQHA

    (I could literally be brought to justice in the RusFed for posting this.)

    https://yandex.com/search/touch/?text=%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%BD%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%8B%20&mda=0&lr=21382

    I wonder what would the RusFed intellectual elites think of these people. Would Margarita Simonian approve of them?

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Mr. Hack

    I have to admit that I sometimes find it hard to understand your “Russian nationalist” sympathies? You make it somewhat clear here that you sympathize with some of the most right wing nationalist parties and their ideologies, and yet within some of your most recent comments at other threads you’ve also remarked how you sympathize with the various ethnic minorities within Russia and their language and cultural rights too. How do you manage to make it all hang together?

  72. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's interesting to note that over time I seem to get more submerged information out of comments like yours than I do from Karlin. No offense Anatoly, but it seems that a lot of your posts are starting to all merge around the predictable and milk toast variety of postings. Bashibuzuk's criticism has some validity, you need to find your Blackshirted gear and put it on and get out of the house and write something more exotic or at least more "reality" based. Please don't take this criticism too personally, for I still find your blog to be quite interesting, it's just that you need to jazz it up a bit with some more original material. Rehashing already published statistics gets a bit ho-hum, don't you think?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Jatt Aryaa

    Putin reads his blog, and he’s working on the bifurcation. 🤷‍♀️

    – Which I think he should release as 3-4 1500-2000 word essays over 2-3 months rather than a 7500 word effort post no one will read (or proofread)

    👍

  73. @Mr. Hack
    @Blinky Bill

    Help! I can't read the cover of this forbidden book. Tell us more. Thanks!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    я русский бы выучил. только за то,. что им. разговаривал Ленин

    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%83_%D1%8E%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D1%83_(%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)

    😉

    The book is a collection of writings by Constantin Rodzaevskyi, the leader of Russian Fascist Organization in Harbin.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @Bashibuzuk


    Thanks: Mr. Hack, Mr. Hack
     
    I wasn't aware that we could do more than one of these, is there a bug?
  74. @Bookish1
    @reiner Tor

    If you actually believe that the holocaust happened go to Stormfront.org>History and Revision>Top 10 reasons why the holocaust didn't happen for the most consice and common sense proof that the holocaust story is a bunch of baloney.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Kent Nationalist

    Debating the Holocaust by Thomas Dalton is also a very good introduction. The publisher is actually based in Britain, which surprised me.

    It is sad how people like AK can cling so stubbornly to the obviously false Holocaust narrative. My only conclusions are that he has deliberately avoided the topic, is much more stupid than I thought or is engaging in Taqiyya because it is illegal in Russia.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Kent Nationalist

    I suspect a lot of it is the official WW2 narrative is absolutely sacred in Russia and a part of their culture almost, and I believe much of what has become official WW2 history is the work of Russian historians.

    My impression is that to question WW2 history in a way that would make the Germans appear better than the official narrative portrays them is almost taboo in Russia and frankly a treacherous act.

    Whereas in the UK people don't care about WW2 so much, contrary to popular belief. One wouldn't be considered a traitor in Britain for questioning the Holocaust, an anti-Semite yes but that's another matter.

    Replies: @Coconuts

  75. Of all docs who mustn’t turn grouchy
    The worst one would be be Tony Fauci
    He’s started to whine
    It’s time to resign
    Or at least hit the shrink’s office couchy.

  76. @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack


    я русский бы выучил. только за то,. что им. разговаривал Ленин
     
    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BC%D1%83_%D1%8E%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D1%83_(%D0%9C%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)

    😉

    The book is a collection of writings by Constantin Rodzaevskyi, the leader of Russian Fascist Organization in Harbin.

    Replies: @Hyperborean

    Thanks: Mr. Hack, Mr. Hack

    I wasn’t aware that we could do more than one of these, is there a bug?

  77. Russia launches one of the worlds largest neutrino detecting telescopes underneath lake Baikal.

    https://phys.org/news/2021-03-russia-deploys-giant-space-telescope.html

    Good to see Russia making scientific progress. Also pleasantly surprised to see Polish scientists’ participation.

  78. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    They were also quite adept at creating the classical American myth including American folklore, music, art and political orientation. Many of these Jewish Hollywood moguls had become so "American" so quickly that they only very slowly started to produce anti-Nazi propaganda films, not wanting to advertise their European Jewish roots and draw attention to themselves. Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more. Oscar Hammerstein II was undoubtedly the big heavy when it came to producing musical scores for some of the most memorable American film musicals of the 1950's - 1960's. Yeah, they were indeed a "very talented people, no doubt about it."

    Replies: @EldnahYm

    Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more.

    Schoenberg shouldn’t be counted as an American composer. Most of his compositions were made in Europe.

    Personally I wish Berlin, Copeland, Gershwin, and Sondheim’s dreck had never been created. Some of the film scores by the likes of Korngold, Waxman, and others was ok.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @EldnahYm

    Well, at least Oscar Hammerstein II made it through your critical assessment...

    And what could you possibly have against George Gershwin? He'll always fill a special place in my heart, as my piano teacher*, when I was a child, got a hold of some of his easier pieces sheet music for me and got me started with my life long infatuation with jazz music. Dave Brubeck's (another Jew BTW) sheet music came up next. :-)

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91iFwFm-9qL._SL1500_.jpg

    *My piano teacher was of Slovak ancestry.

  79. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    imagine this level of cucked
     
    They're not cucked, they are basically members of the White National Socialist International. You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.

    Why don't you write something about the way Russian National Socialists and ultra-nationalists are treated in the RusFed?

    The swastika and the kolovrat, Indo-European symbols from times immemorial have been outlawed as "Nazi symbols ". You can end up in prison if you organize a National Socialist, a White Nationalist or even just a Russian ultra-nationalist group or association. "Russia for Russians " is a bad slogan according to Putin himself. I wonder what he would think about "Russia for Rothenbergs" or "Chechnya for Vaynakhs" slogans, he would probably find them both quite appropriate.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.

    I’m not exactly close to Kholmogorov, I’m not even on the same page as him on many issues (too much obscurantism and American rightoidism for me – he really went hard on the MAGA cope), but given the choice, yes, I would much rather be “close” to the inventor of the “Russian Spring” than an emigre whose key positions on Russia de facto align with those of the State Department and whose main distinction from them is a greater appreciation for swastikas, kolovrats, and related pagan larp. (BTW, kolovrats being banned is another one of your weird claims that don’t align with Russian reality, kolovrat themed jewelry can be bought online or at the touristy part of any historical Russian town).

    As a matter of fact, I did write about the persecution of Russian nationalists several years ago (even triggering some sovoks into leaving my blog – though, no big loss). E.g., https://www.unz.com/akarlin/country-282/ It’s also the case that Article 282 was decriminalized in December 2019, fulfilling a long-standing Russian nationalist demand (something else that seems to have passed you by in your emigre bubble). It is now very hard to fall afoul of Russian hate speech laws short of parading around in swastikas and shouting “Glory to Ukraine.” My commiserations, since that seems to be your preferred flavor of “Russian nationalism”, but I can’t say I care very much. They are just a more racist version of Antifa, just as much useful idiots of the West and considerably more stupid .

    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don’t write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don’t write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.
     
    Where did I write that you did it for money? Interesting that you have interpreted my comment in that vein. I think that your opinions (like everyone else's) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: " С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься".

    Regarding Russian Spring, it has rather rapidly turned into Sovok 2.0 Autumn. RusFed today is way closer to Brezhnev's era than to Alexander the IIIrd's . RusFed is evolving towards a Sovok system, except for a clearly delineated oligarchic class, a terrible wealth inequality and a lot less social guarantees.

    About the Kolovrat, I am pretty sure that if anyone is stupid enough to go on a parade with a Kolovrat flag in any "historical Russian town", he will end up having an interesting conversation with the local police. BTW, what about the Swastika (of which the Kolovrat is a variation anyway) ? Can you publicly display this typical Northern Russian embroidery in today's RusFes?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7270203/7270203_900.jpg

    What about the typical Baltic Thunder Cross?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/c3/2a/1cc32a46c26add1d6a26782bdc85ad77.jpg

    You dodged the topic...

    Regarding the 282 article, you know pretty well that anyone, whom the RusFed government would decide to put in jail for political reasons, would indeed end up in jail. With or without the 282 article. And if need be, this person would die in prison, no further questions asked, as Tesak's untimely death has demonstrated. That is one of the valid reasons to watch what you say or write in today's RusFed, and I can't blame you for being smart enough to avoid certain topics.

    Now, you will need to make your mind about me: am I a US State Department parrot with pro-Ukranian neonazi inclinations, or a typical Russian emigré with a Soviet mentality, as you have written about me the last time?

    You understand that your opinions seem kind of contradictory here...

    Finally, I will not be insulted by the "Paganism LARPing" accusations. Some like to believe that transhumanism has some value, some believe that human spiritual traditions are more interesting than some mechanicist новодел. You prefer evolving by becoming a machine, I prefer evolving as a spiritual being. As a famous young Rabbi from Nazareth purportedly said ; "По вере вашей воздастся вам".

    Jedem das seine.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

  80. @Blinky Bill
    @Bashibuzuk


    Like the good Russian people of Harbin back in the 1930ies
     
    As you most certainly would know, they represented but one faction within the community, one that I'm proud to acknowledge my ancestors did not support. Despite been fervent Anti Bolsheviks several of my family members volunteered to fight for The Red Army during World War II . This might confuse some, but I'm certain you'd understand their reasoning.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/RFP_Manchouli_Swastica.jpg

    Manzhouli China 1930s

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Zaveshanie.jpg

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin, @Rattus Norwegius

    Rodzaevsky’s Last Testament of a Russian Fascist can be easily found in electronic format on the Internet and even from individual vendors online.

    Out of interest, I got a copy (electronic – no wish to splash out 6,000 rubles on a physical one, whose main value would be the shock one of having a “forbidden book” on my bookshelf) and was greatly disappointed. Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else – I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.

    If it was legal to sell it, I doubt any more people would read it. Perhaps fewer.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else – I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.
     
    For those interested by these "Fascist antisemitic rants":

    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0,_%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81_%D0%B2_XX_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)

    BTW, I wonder why all these "evil Fascists" were so obsessed with the JQ...

    😉

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://youtu.be/Sfhp1-69Y8U

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  81. @anyone with a brain
    I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia - I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia - a gypsy woman I took a photo of here - she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc...I only ever see such horror in 'non-Balkanized' JUSA
     
    Tomo's observations are precisely the reason why there won't be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin's work he mentions Ibn Khaldun's idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Anatoly Karlin, @Not Only Wrathful, @james wilson, @Europe Europa, @Mr. XYZ, @Rattus Norwegius

    The Imperial powers, shorn of their empires, simply turned divide and rule inwards. They recreated their colonies at home so their vanity and institutions could continue.

  82. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    You are probably aware of that, but you cannot write about that because you have become too close to some really deeply cucked people such as Kholmogorov.
     
    I'm not exactly close to Kholmogorov, I'm not even on the same page as him on many issues (too much obscurantism and American rightoidism for me - he really went hard on the MAGA cope), but given the choice, yes, I would much rather be "close" to the inventor of the "Russian Spring" than an emigre whose key positions on Russia de facto align with those of the State Department and whose main distinction from them is a greater appreciation for swastikas, kolovrats, and related pagan larp. (BTW, kolovrats being banned is another one of your weird claims that don't align with Russian reality, kolovrat themed jewelry can be bought online or at the touristy part of any historical Russian town).

    As a matter of fact, I did write about the persecution of Russian nationalists several years ago (even triggering some sovoks into leaving my blog - though, no big loss). E.g., https://www.unz.com/akarlin/country-282/ It's also the case that Article 282 was decriminalized in December 2019, fulfilling a long-standing Russian nationalist demand (something else that seems to have passed you by in your emigre bubble). It is now very hard to fall afoul of Russian hate speech laws short of parading around in swastikas and shouting "Glory to Ukraine." My commiserations, since that seems to be your preferred flavor of "Russian nationalism", but I can't say I care very much. They are just a more racist version of Antifa, just as much useful idiots of the West and considerably more stupid .

    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don't write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don’t write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.

    Where did I write that you did it for money? Interesting that you have interpreted my comment in that vein. I think that your opinions (like everyone else’s) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: ” С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься”.

    Regarding Russian Spring, it has rather rapidly turned into Sovok 2.0 Autumn. RusFed today is way closer to Brezhnev’s era than to Alexander the IIIrd’s . RusFed is evolving towards a Sovok system, except for a clearly delineated oligarchic class, a terrible wealth inequality and a lot less social guarantees.

    About the Kolovrat, I am pretty sure that if anyone is stupid enough to go on a parade with a Kolovrat flag in any “historical Russian town”, he will end up having an interesting conversation with the local police. BTW, what about the Swastika (of which the Kolovrat is a variation anyway) ? Can you publicly display this typical Northern Russian embroidery in today’s RusFes?

    What about the typical Baltic Thunder Cross?

    You dodged the topic…

    Regarding the 282 article, you know pretty well that anyone, whom the RusFed government would decide to put in jail for political reasons, would indeed end up in jail. With or without the 282 article. And if need be, this person would die in prison, no further questions asked, as Tesak’s untimely death has demonstrated. That is one of the valid reasons to watch what you say or write in today’s RusFed, and I can’t blame you for being smart enough to avoid certain topics.

    Now, you will need to make your mind about me: am I a US State Department parrot with pro-Ukranian neonazi inclinations, or a typical Russian emigré with a Soviet mentality, as you have written about me the last time?

    You understand that your opinions seem kind of contradictory here…

    Finally, I will not be insulted by the “Paganism LARPing” accusations. Some like to believe that transhumanism has some value, some believe that human spiritual traditions are more interesting than some mechanicist новодел. You prefer evolving by becoming a machine, I prefer evolving as a spiritual being. As a famous young Rabbi from Nazareth purportedly said ; “По вере вашей воздастся вам”.

    Jedem das seine.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Bashibuzuk

    Heh, my Russophile cousin in Ukraine (her branch of the family left Galicia for the Russian Empire during World War I, before they could become nationalists) wears a necklace with a Kolovrat motif, now I know what this actually was. She's a devout Russian Orthodox Christian though, not pagan at all.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    I remember reading a few years back that there was a prominent swastika depicted within a very old fresco within the St. Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv. I believe that it had been mysteriously removed by somebody? You can read about it in certain places through the internet, but I couldn't actually find any photos of it. I guess that we can thank the Ukrainian deep state for this masterful job of intellectual censorship?.....

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    I think that your opinions (like everyone else’s) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: ” С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься”.
     
    Correct, I try to associate with non-cringe people who work to achieve concrete political goals, many of which have indeed been implemented since 2019, such as:

    * Greater integration of Donbass into Russia. 75% done. Citizenships given out en masse. For perspective, Russian nationalists were autistically screeching about a Putinsliv several years ago; this year, Simonyan visited the LDNR and explicitly endorsed Russian irredentism.

    * Removing hate speech laws. 80% done. (Article 282 decriminalized. Russia far freer in this respect than most of Europe).

    * Russia as a Russian national-state. 100% done. Defined as the state-forming people in the revised Russian Constitution.

    This is why I am much more of a Putinist in 2021 than I was c.2018.

    Meanwhile, less serious Russian nationalists - or those with no skin in the game, at any rate - have the luxury of larping over things such as the legal status of some book from the 1930s or literal kosovorotkas, LOL. Because nothing depends on them.

    Given the above, it is reasonable to reward the regime with some degree of loyalty, given its improving behavior

    I suppose it's sad that Neo-Nazi/WN pro-svidomy (along with Navalnyites and Antifa) get the book thrown at them. But these people owe their loyalty to the White International, Washington D.C., GloboHomo, and various permutations thereof - not to Russians. I don't see what I, who identifies as a Russian nationalist, not a WN, owe any of them.
  83. @anyone with a brain
    I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia - I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia - a gypsy woman I took a photo of here - she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc...I only ever see such horror in 'non-Balkanized' JUSA
     
    Tomo's observations are precisely the reason why there won't be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin's work he mentions Ibn Khaldun's idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Anatoly Karlin, @Not Only Wrathful, @james wilson, @Europe Europa, @Mr. XYZ, @Rattus Norwegius

    How ironic that we school age lads of olden times were instructed to be aware of BALKANIZATION. Bad, very, bad; unification was the ticket. Now we see that as distinct peoples are not forced together they are improved in every case. But yes, we are no longer distict enough to overcome the room our betters keep in our minds rent free.

  84. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Blinky Bill

    Rodzaevsky's Last Testament of a Russian Fascist can be easily found in electronic format on the Internet and even from individual vendors online.

    Out of interest, I got a copy (electronic - no wish to splash out 6,000 rubles on a physical one, whose main value would be the shock one of having a "forbidden book" on my bookshelf) and was greatly disappointed. Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else - I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.

    If it was legal to sell it, I doubt any more people would read it. Perhaps fewer.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Blinky Bill

    Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else – I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.

    For those interested by these “Fascist antisemitic rants”:

    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0,_%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81_%D0%B2_XX_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)

    BTW, I wonder why all these “evil Fascists” were so obsessed with the JQ…

    😉

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    BTW, I wonder why all these “evil Fascists” were so obsessed with the JQ…
     
    Because they're morons?

    Out of curiosity, I just Ctrl-F'ed "Latvians" (латыш-) on the entire book. Five hits. Mostly in the context of Jews oppressing poor Latvians (who had absolutely nothing to do with the Red Latvian Riflemen) by snapping up 70% of the housing in Riga.

    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.

    Then believed Stalin's promise of a reprieve and accepted the offer to return to the USSR, where he was arrested and shot (makes sense that a conspiracy-monger would turn out to be a credulous idiot).

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk

  85. @Philip Owen
    @Carlo

    If we beiee Russian nationalists, Ukraine and Russia are one people with one culture.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Gerard-Mandela, @Europe Europa

    Many of the types who insist that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people would happily claim that the English and Scots are completely different people and polar opposites, and cynically support Scottish independence.

    Their idea of what constitutes the same people is very politicised and disingenuous.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Europe Europa

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/ba/05/47ba057ba15a24519c78c785c4a9f773.jpg

    Each colored region deserves to be its own country that is free, independent and democratic. Except Northern Ireland, that goes to Ireland.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

  86. @Kent Nationalist
    @Bookish1

    Debating the Holocaust by Thomas Dalton is also a very good introduction. The publisher is actually based in Britain, which surprised me.

    It is sad how people like AK can cling so stubbornly to the obviously false Holocaust narrative. My only conclusions are that he has deliberately avoided the topic, is much more stupid than I thought or is engaging in Taqiyya because it is illegal in Russia.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    I suspect a lot of it is the official WW2 narrative is absolutely sacred in Russia and a part of their culture almost, and I believe much of what has become official WW2 history is the work of Russian historians.

    My impression is that to question WW2 history in a way that would make the Germans appear better than the official narrative portrays them is almost taboo in Russia and frankly a treacherous act.

    Whereas in the UK people don’t care about WW2 so much, contrary to popular belief. One wouldn’t be considered a traitor in Britain for questioning the Holocaust, an anti-Semite yes but that’s another matter.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    @Europe Europa


    Whereas in the UK people don’t care about WW2 so much, contrary to popular belief. One wouldn’t be considered a traitor in Britain for questioning the Holocaust, an anti-Semite yes but that’s another matter.
     
    I get the impression that the European aspects of WW2 are really receding in perceived importance lately, because basically there weren't enough blacks, or second best, South Asians, involved in it. There are even some indications, though mainly from the US so far, of Woke attempts to displace the Holocaust as the cornerstone of 20th century history because it is too white people focused. Discussion of it therefore reproduces white supremacy.
  87. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don’t write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.
     
    Where did I write that you did it for money? Interesting that you have interpreted my comment in that vein. I think that your opinions (like everyone else's) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: " С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься".

    Regarding Russian Spring, it has rather rapidly turned into Sovok 2.0 Autumn. RusFed today is way closer to Brezhnev's era than to Alexander the IIIrd's . RusFed is evolving towards a Sovok system, except for a clearly delineated oligarchic class, a terrible wealth inequality and a lot less social guarantees.

    About the Kolovrat, I am pretty sure that if anyone is stupid enough to go on a parade with a Kolovrat flag in any "historical Russian town", he will end up having an interesting conversation with the local police. BTW, what about the Swastika (of which the Kolovrat is a variation anyway) ? Can you publicly display this typical Northern Russian embroidery in today's RusFes?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7270203/7270203_900.jpg

    What about the typical Baltic Thunder Cross?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/c3/2a/1cc32a46c26add1d6a26782bdc85ad77.jpg

    You dodged the topic...

    Regarding the 282 article, you know pretty well that anyone, whom the RusFed government would decide to put in jail for political reasons, would indeed end up in jail. With or without the 282 article. And if need be, this person would die in prison, no further questions asked, as Tesak's untimely death has demonstrated. That is one of the valid reasons to watch what you say or write in today's RusFed, and I can't blame you for being smart enough to avoid certain topics.

    Now, you will need to make your mind about me: am I a US State Department parrot with pro-Ukranian neonazi inclinations, or a typical Russian emigré with a Soviet mentality, as you have written about me the last time?

    You understand that your opinions seem kind of contradictory here...

    Finally, I will not be insulted by the "Paganism LARPing" accusations. Some like to believe that transhumanism has some value, some believe that human spiritual traditions are more interesting than some mechanicist новодел. You prefer evolving by becoming a machine, I prefer evolving as a spiritual being. As a famous young Rabbi from Nazareth purportedly said ; "По вере вашей воздастся вам".

    Jedem das seine.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Heh, my Russophile cousin in Ukraine (her branch of the family left Galicia for the Russian Empire during World War I, before they could become nationalists) wears a necklace with a Kolovrat motif, now I know what this actually was. She’s a devout Russian Orthodox Christian though, not pagan at all.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Bashibuzuk has a very strange idea that police are going to be knocking down your doors for selling or parading in kolovrat-themed jewelry/traditional garments.

  88. @Europe Europa
    @Philip Owen

    Many of the types who insist that Russians and Ukrainians are the same people would happily claim that the English and Scots are completely different people and polar opposites, and cynically support Scottish independence.

    Their idea of what constitutes the same people is very politicised and disingenuous.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Each colored region deserves to be its own country that is free, independent and democratic. Except Northern Ireland, that goes to Ireland.

    • Agree: Tor597, Not Raul
    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Shortsword

    You could say the same thing about a map of Russia divided up into its "Federal subjects", which actually exist while the map you've shown is just some "regional" nonsense that the anti-British elites have never managed to actually bring into existence.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  89. Since we have had Viktor Bout, someone should at least post pictures of women on this open threat. Here are Ukrainian army girls:

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, mal
    • Replies: @melanf
    @AP


    Since we have had Viktor Bout, someone should at least post pictures of women on this open threat. Here are Ukrainian army girls: https://img.112.international/original/2018/03/07/271522.jpg

     

    If you compare it with the north of Russia, you can easily see the difference between the anthropological types of Southern Europe and Northern Europe.

    https://stihi.ru/pics/2017/03/22/6725.jpg

    http://rekvest.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0.jpg

    Presumably its descendants of the Paleolithic hunters of Europe (in the North) and Neolithic migrants from the Middle East (in the South).

    But if you exclude anthropology these girls in military uniforms are a 90% meaningless phenomenon (since they are militarily useless if not harmful)

    Replies: @AP

    , @RadicalCenter
    @AP

    Love to see our beautiful cousins, the Ukrainian and Russian ladies. But they shouldn’t be in combat roles, much less prepared and indoctrinated to kill their fellow Rus brethren on either artificial “side.”

    Replies: @melanf

  90. @AP
    @Bashibuzuk

    Heh, my Russophile cousin in Ukraine (her branch of the family left Galicia for the Russian Empire during World War I, before they could become nationalists) wears a necklace with a Kolovrat motif, now I know what this actually was. She's a devout Russian Orthodox Christian though, not pagan at all.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Bashibuzuk has a very strange idea that police are going to be knocking down your doors for selling or parading in kolovrat-themed jewelry/traditional garments.

  91. @EldnahYm
    @Mr. Hack


    Indeed, American culture would certainly be much poorer if you were to subtract the enormous output of such talented composers as Irving Berlin, Aaron Copeland, George Gershwin, Arnold Schoenberg, Stephen Sondheim and many more.
     
    Schoenberg shouldn't be counted as an American composer. Most of his compositions were made in Europe.

    Personally I wish Berlin, Copeland, Gershwin, and Sondheim's dreck had never been created. Some of the film scores by the likes of Korngold, Waxman, and others was ok.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Well, at least Oscar Hammerstein II made it through your critical assessment…

    And what could you possibly have against George Gershwin? He’ll always fill a special place in my heart, as my piano teacher*, when I was a child, got a hold of some of his easier pieces sheet music for me and got me started with my life long infatuation with jazz music. Dave Brubeck’s (another Jew BTW) sheet music came up next. 🙂


    *My piano teacher was of Slovak ancestry.

  92. @mal
    @songbird

    Well, modern global vision starts with Count Kalergi and Otto von Habsburg, both of Austro-Hungarian Empire. They created pan European confederation, and created EU flag and anthem. They even proposed to cross breed Europeans with Africans to better fight Russia or something. We live in their vision today.

    Hollywood did make a movie about Kalergi adventures (Hitler didn't like pan-Europeans much and wanted them dead) - it was called Casablanca, a war time cult classic. It helped popularize modern mindset ("The Resistance" of rich nobility meeting in a posh nightclub, and a ticket to America as a get out of jail card) which is basically your garden variety neoliberalism.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/from-utopian-dream-to-political-reality-1.758464?mode=amp

    The weirdest thing about it is its not over. They keep popping up again and again.

    Like it was Habsburg who led the first humanitarian convoy into Lithuania in 1991 signifying European backing of anti-Communist protests there and contributing to USSR collapse.

    Remember Navalny story about him calling FSB officer regarding his own poisoning? The guy Navalny was with is Christo Grosev. Grosev was an executive director for a Dutch radio station that Habsburg owns. And Grosev is a Bulgarian who got his start in Metromedia Russia. Metromedia was giant American conglomerate that created Fox News network among others. Person who created Metromedia was a German named John Kluge and he served in US Army intelligence during WW2.

    Remember Derkach? Ukrainian politician famous for leaking Poroshenko Biden tapes? Well, Habsburgs also own Ukrainian radio station (they run a media empire, that how you control the narrative). Under Yanukovich, Derkach had his own radio station and his orders were to outbid Habsburg owned station at the broadcast license auctions. Habsburg owned station got nothing and there was a lot of complaining. Obviously, under Poroshenko that changed and Habsburgs got broadcasting rights, including to Donbas, but they soured on the project by then.

    It's like World War 1 never ended.

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Svevlad

    Huh? One Serbing wasn’t enough for these fuckers huh?

    Now there’s thousands in on the scheme, it would unironically have to be a small genocide to get rid of ’em.

  93. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don’t write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.
     
    Where did I write that you did it for money? Interesting that you have interpreted my comment in that vein. I think that your opinions (like everyone else's) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: " С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься".

    Regarding Russian Spring, it has rather rapidly turned into Sovok 2.0 Autumn. RusFed today is way closer to Brezhnev's era than to Alexander the IIIrd's . RusFed is evolving towards a Sovok system, except for a clearly delineated oligarchic class, a terrible wealth inequality and a lot less social guarantees.

    About the Kolovrat, I am pretty sure that if anyone is stupid enough to go on a parade with a Kolovrat flag in any "historical Russian town", he will end up having an interesting conversation with the local police. BTW, what about the Swastika (of which the Kolovrat is a variation anyway) ? Can you publicly display this typical Northern Russian embroidery in today's RusFes?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7270203/7270203_900.jpg

    What about the typical Baltic Thunder Cross?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/c3/2a/1cc32a46c26add1d6a26782bdc85ad77.jpg

    You dodged the topic...

    Regarding the 282 article, you know pretty well that anyone, whom the RusFed government would decide to put in jail for political reasons, would indeed end up in jail. With or without the 282 article. And if need be, this person would die in prison, no further questions asked, as Tesak's untimely death has demonstrated. That is one of the valid reasons to watch what you say or write in today's RusFed, and I can't blame you for being smart enough to avoid certain topics.

    Now, you will need to make your mind about me: am I a US State Department parrot with pro-Ukranian neonazi inclinations, or a typical Russian emigré with a Soviet mentality, as you have written about me the last time?

    You understand that your opinions seem kind of contradictory here...

    Finally, I will not be insulted by the "Paganism LARPing" accusations. Some like to believe that transhumanism has some value, some believe that human spiritual traditions are more interesting than some mechanicist новодел. You prefer evolving by becoming a machine, I prefer evolving as a spiritual being. As a famous young Rabbi from Nazareth purportedly said ; "По вере вашей воздастся вам".

    Jedem das seine.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    I remember reading a few years back that there was a prominent swastika depicted within a very old fresco within the St. Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv. I believe that it had been mysteriously removed by somebody? You can read about it in certain places through the internet, but I couldn’t actually find any photos of it. I guess that we can thank the Ukrainian deep state for this masterful job of intellectual censorship?…..

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack

    In Kiev Saint Sophia's Cathedral:

    https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/1/Image%2014.jpg

    In Novgorod Saint Sophia Cathedral:

    https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/1/Image%20362.jpg

    Until the 1930ies the Swastika under different forms was omnipresent in the European Russian north, especially in the regions historically populated by the descendants of the Old Believers. After the 1930ies the NKVD started fighting this "symbol of Fascism". People started avoiding the pattern in their embroidery or ceramics.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7271872/7271872_900.jpg

    In fact, the Swastika pattern was very widely used in pre-Raskol Russia. Possibly even more so than in pre-Islamic Hindustan.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7266891/7266891_900.jpg

    Of course this is not to everyone 's liking:


    During the exhibition "Russian National Costume" in the halls of the State Russian Museum in St. Petersburg, one of the visitors (a certain M. Blyakhman) tried to destroy by burning a woman's wedding dress, richly decorated with swastikas. At the police station, the scoundrel brazenly declared that in this way he was fighting "fascism."
     
    Hence a series of laws against "the glorification of Nazi Symbols" which have started with the regional rules in the 90ies and have now been enshrined into the federal law of the RusFed.

    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/e3620d183bd6d1fe2ab8b0c912809857217325a2/

    But given that I am not a RusFed citizen, I don't give a damn about what the cultureless politically correct imbeciles there might think. I am proud of that beautiful pattern that was used by my ancestors for many thousand years.

    https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/1/Image%2034.jpg

    OTOH, they can shove up their Red Stars up their red and sore arses...

    Replies: @Shortsword

  94. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    On a more general note, it always amuses me when I hear that I do write or don’t write something for monetary or political reasons. If that were the case, I would be 10x richer, have 10x+ as many Twitter followers, and would still be in the US.
     
    Where did I write that you did it for money? Interesting that you have interpreted my comment in that vein. I think that your opinions (like everyone else's) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: " С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься".

    Regarding Russian Spring, it has rather rapidly turned into Sovok 2.0 Autumn. RusFed today is way closer to Brezhnev's era than to Alexander the IIIrd's . RusFed is evolving towards a Sovok system, except for a clearly delineated oligarchic class, a terrible wealth inequality and a lot less social guarantees.

    About the Kolovrat, I am pretty sure that if anyone is stupid enough to go on a parade with a Kolovrat flag in any "historical Russian town", he will end up having an interesting conversation with the local police. BTW, what about the Swastika (of which the Kolovrat is a variation anyway) ? Can you publicly display this typical Northern Russian embroidery in today's RusFes?

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7270203/7270203_900.jpg

    What about the typical Baltic Thunder Cross?

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1c/c3/2a/1cc32a46c26add1d6a26782bdc85ad77.jpg

    You dodged the topic...

    Regarding the 282 article, you know pretty well that anyone, whom the RusFed government would decide to put in jail for political reasons, would indeed end up in jail. With or without the 282 article. And if need be, this person would die in prison, no further questions asked, as Tesak's untimely death has demonstrated. That is one of the valid reasons to watch what you say or write in today's RusFed, and I can't blame you for being smart enough to avoid certain topics.

    Now, you will need to make your mind about me: am I a US State Department parrot with pro-Ukranian neonazi inclinations, or a typical Russian emigré with a Soviet mentality, as you have written about me the last time?

    You understand that your opinions seem kind of contradictory here...

    Finally, I will not be insulted by the "Paganism LARPing" accusations. Some like to believe that transhumanism has some value, some believe that human spiritual traditions are more interesting than some mechanicist новодел. You prefer evolving by becoming a machine, I prefer evolving as a spiritual being. As a famous young Rabbi from Nazareth purportedly said ; "По вере вашей воздастся вам".

    Jedem das seine.

    Replies: @AP, @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    I think that your opinions (like everyone else’s) are influenced by your environment and the people you communicate with. As the Russian saying goes: ” С кем поведешься от того и наберёшься”.

    Correct, I try to associate with non-cringe people who work to achieve concrete political goals, many of which have indeed been implemented since 2019, such as:

    * Greater integration of Donbass into Russia. 75% done. Citizenships given out en masse. For perspective, Russian nationalists were autistically screeching about a Putinsliv several years ago; this year, Simonyan visited the LDNR and explicitly endorsed Russian irredentism.

    * Removing hate speech laws. 80% done. (Article 282 decriminalized. Russia far freer in this respect than most of Europe).

    * Russia as a Russian national-state. 100% done. Defined as the state-forming people in the revised Russian Constitution.

    This is why I am much more of a Putinist in 2021 than I was c.2018.

    Meanwhile, less serious Russian nationalists – or those with no skin in the game, at any rate – have the luxury of larping over things such as the legal status of some book from the 1930s or literal kosovorotkas, LOL. Because nothing depends on them.

    Given the above, it is reasonable to reward the regime with some degree of loyalty, given its improving behavior

    I suppose it’s sad that Neo-Nazi/WN pro-svidomy (along with Navalnyites and Antifa) get the book thrown at them. But these people owe their loyalty to the White International, Washington D.C., GloboHomo, and various permutations thereof – not to Russians. I don’t see what I, who identifies as a Russian nationalist, not a WN, owe any of them.

  95. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else – I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.
     
    For those interested by these "Fascist antisemitic rants":

    https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%B8%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%B8%D0%B7%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B0,_%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81_%D0%B2_XX_%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B8_(%D0%A0%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9)

    BTW, I wonder why all these "evil Fascists" were so obsessed with the JQ...

    😉

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    BTW, I wonder why all these “evil Fascists” were so obsessed with the JQ…

    Because they’re morons?

    Out of curiosity, I just Ctrl-F’ed “Latvians” (латыш-) on the entire book. Five hits. Mostly in the context of Jews oppressing poor Latvians (who had absolutely nothing to do with the Red Latvian Riflemen) by snapping up 70% of the housing in Riga.

    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.

    Then believed Stalin’s promise of a reprieve and accepted the offer to return to the USSR, where he was arrested and shot (makes sense that a conspiracy-monger would turn out to be a credulous idiot).

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.
     
    Did he ever do anything relevant?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Because they’re morons?
     
    Do you imply that anyone strongly interested in the JQ is a moron?

    That there is nothing special at all about the history of the Jewish people and Judaism?

    🙂

    BTW, Rodzaevskyi was allied with Japan and stayed in the Far East during the whole WW2. He had no direct connection to Nazi Reich.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  96. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    BTW, I wonder why all these “evil Fascists” were so obsessed with the JQ…
     
    Because they're morons?

    Out of curiosity, I just Ctrl-F'ed "Latvians" (латыш-) on the entire book. Five hits. Mostly in the context of Jews oppressing poor Latvians (who had absolutely nothing to do with the Red Latvian Riflemen) by snapping up 70% of the housing in Riga.

    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.

    Then believed Stalin's promise of a reprieve and accepted the offer to return to the USSR, where he was arrested and shot (makes sense that a conspiracy-monger would turn out to be a credulous idiot).

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk

    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.

    Did he ever do anything relevant?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Shortsword

    He is featured in Hearts of Iron IV as an alternate fascist-aligned leader of the USSR if the plot against Stalin succeeds. I once conquered Europe and the US as a fascist Russian Empire under Rodzaevsky. I'd say that's relevant. (Then again, it's a broken game where I also conquered Nazi Germany as Belgium, so take that FWIW).

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

  97. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.
     
    Did he ever do anything relevant?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    He is featured in Hearts of Iron IV as an alternate fascist-aligned leader of the USSR if the plot against Stalin succeeds. I once conquered Europe and the US as a fascist Russian Empire under Rodzaevsky. I’d say that’s relevant. (Then again, it’s a broken game where I also conquered Nazi Germany as Belgium, so take that FWIW).

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Savinkovite, NatPop Russia is where it's at.

    Kaiserreich-timeline though.

  98. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    I remember reading a few years back that there was a prominent swastika depicted within a very old fresco within the St. Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv. I believe that it had been mysteriously removed by somebody? You can read about it in certain places through the internet, but I couldn't actually find any photos of it. I guess that we can thank the Ukrainian deep state for this masterful job of intellectual censorship?.....

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    In Kiev Saint Sophia’s Cathedral:

    In Novgorod Saint Sophia Cathedral:

    Until the 1930ies the Swastika under different forms was omnipresent in the European Russian north, especially in the regions historically populated by the descendants of the Old Believers. After the 1930ies the NKVD started fighting this “symbol of Fascism”. People started avoiding the pattern in their embroidery or ceramics.

    In fact, the Swastika pattern was very widely used in pre-Raskol Russia. Possibly even more so than in pre-Islamic Hindustan.

    Of course this is not to everyone ‘s liking:

    During the exhibition “Russian National Costume” in the halls of the State Russian Museum in St. Petersburg, one of the visitors (a certain M. Blyakhman) tried to destroy by burning a woman’s wedding dress, richly decorated with swastikas. At the police station, the scoundrel brazenly declared that in this way he was fighting “fascism.”

    Hence a series of laws against “the glorification of Nazi Symbols” which have started with the regional rules in the 90ies and have now been enshrined into the federal law of the RusFed.

    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/e3620d183bd6d1fe2ab8b0c912809857217325a2/

    But given that I am not a RusFed citizen, I don’t give a damn about what the cultureless politically correct imbeciles there might think. I am proud of that beautiful pattern that was used by my ancestors for many thousand years.

    OTOH, they can shove up their Red Stars up their red and sore arses…

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Bashibuzuk

    https://www.parent4success.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/baby-girl-stands-crying-loudly-standing-near-chair-home.jpg

    WAAAAA!! I want to wear clothes with swastikas on!! WAAAAAA!!!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  99. @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack

    In Kiev Saint Sophia's Cathedral:

    https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/1/Image%2014.jpg

    In Novgorod Saint Sophia Cathedral:

    https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/1/Image%20362.jpg

    Until the 1930ies the Swastika under different forms was omnipresent in the European Russian north, especially in the regions historically populated by the descendants of the Old Believers. After the 1930ies the NKVD started fighting this "symbol of Fascism". People started avoiding the pattern in their embroidery or ceramics.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7271872/7271872_900.jpg

    In fact, the Swastika pattern was very widely used in pre-Raskol Russia. Possibly even more so than in pre-Islamic Hindustan.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/matveychev_oleg/27303223/7266891/7266891_900.jpg

    Of course this is not to everyone 's liking:


    During the exhibition "Russian National Costume" in the halls of the State Russian Museum in St. Petersburg, one of the visitors (a certain M. Blyakhman) tried to destroy by burning a woman's wedding dress, richly decorated with swastikas. At the police station, the scoundrel brazenly declared that in this way he was fighting "fascism."
     
    Hence a series of laws against "the glorification of Nazi Symbols" which have started with the regional rules in the 90ies and have now been enshrined into the federal law of the RusFed.

    http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_34661/e3620d183bd6d1fe2ab8b0c912809857217325a2/

    But given that I am not a RusFed citizen, I don't give a damn about what the cultureless politically correct imbeciles there might think. I am proud of that beautiful pattern that was used by my ancestors for many thousand years.

    https://cont.ws/uploads/pic/2017/1/Image%2034.jpg

    OTOH, they can shove up their Red Stars up their red and sore arses...

    Replies: @Shortsword


    WAAAAA!! I want to wear clothes with swastikas on!! WAAAAAA!!!

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Shortsword

    That's more than just clothes. Symbols matter. If your culture has used a certain symbol for many thousand years, then a certain level of respect is to be had towards it. But you're free to have another opinion. If you like the Masonic Red Star better you're free to keep it and use it according to my recommendations above...

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  100. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    BTW, I wonder why all these “evil Fascists” were so obsessed with the JQ…
     
    Because they're morons?

    Out of curiosity, I just Ctrl-F'ed "Latvians" (латыш-) on the entire book. Five hits. Mostly in the context of Jews oppressing poor Latvians (who had absolutely nothing to do with the Red Latvian Riflemen) by snapping up 70% of the housing in Riga.

    Rodzaevsky made the choice to be a useful idiot of Nazi Germany and did so through to early 1945.

    Then believed Stalin's promise of a reprieve and accepted the offer to return to the USSR, where he was arrested and shot (makes sense that a conspiracy-monger would turn out to be a credulous idiot).

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk

    Because they’re morons?

    Do you imply that anyone strongly interested in the JQ is a moron?

    That there is nothing special at all about the history of the Jewish people and Judaism?

    🙂

    BTW, Rodzaevskyi was allied with Japan and stayed in the Far East during the whole WW2. He had no direct connection to Nazi Reich.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    Do you imply that anyone strongly interested in the JQ is a moron?
     
    No, because I'm not a moron. (I think). Next strawman? :)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  101. @Shortsword
    @Bashibuzuk

    https://www.parent4success.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/baby-girl-stands-crying-loudly-standing-near-chair-home.jpg

    WAAAAA!! I want to wear clothes with swastikas on!! WAAAAAA!!!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    That’s more than just clothes. Symbols matter. If your culture has used a certain symbol for many thousand years, then a certain level of respect is to be had towards it. But you’re free to have another opinion. If you like the Masonic Red Star better you’re free to keep it and use it according to my recommendations above…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    I like this symbol.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/07/Adeptus_mecanics.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Boomthorkell

  102. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Because they’re morons?
     
    Do you imply that anyone strongly interested in the JQ is a moron?

    That there is nothing special at all about the history of the Jewish people and Judaism?

    🙂

    BTW, Rodzaevskyi was allied with Japan and stayed in the Far East during the whole WW2. He had no direct connection to Nazi Reich.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Do you imply that anyone strongly interested in the JQ is a moron?

    No, because I’m not a moron. (I think). Next strawman? 🙂

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily "morons" as you have initially hastily affirmed.

    Igor' Shafarevich, who has written the "Thousand years enigma", Solzhenitsin who authored "Two hundred years together " or Ron Unz who wrote several essays about the JQ were writing about similar topics as Rodzaevskyi. Perhaps the style was different, less polemical, more thoughtful, but the topic itself was similar. The reason to write was also most probably similar.

    Rodzaevskyi has escaped USSR in the late 1920ies. A time when "Great Russian Chauvinism " was a crime serious enough to end up in the Solovki camp, Antisemitic propaganda was punished by death, but anyone could say whatever negative about Russian people without any notable consequences to one's career, freedom and life. It would have been very surprising if the JQ would have "passed him by" after his young years' experience in the Soviet Union where he was in the Komsomol.

    He met Ustryalov who was to become his teacher in the University of Harbin and had a lasting impression on him. The influence of Ustryalov moved Rodzaevskyi to look into Italian Fascism, which was so fashionable at the time. Italian Fascism, Solidarism, Nationalism were then (and are to this very day) completely valid outlooks on the social organization. Ustryalov created his Nazbol doctrines on their basis, Rodzaevskyi was probably less of an academic and theoretizing type and went to actively engage into politics using Mussolini's doctrines. He did not create something specifically novel or original, but he was no idiot either.

    He paid his convictions and his political activities with his life, like Ustryalov and so many other also did. He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people's future.

    He was a honorable person, even though perhaps a somewhat mistaken one. I think that when writing about those who came and gone before us we should give credit where credit is due. Konstantin Rodzaevskyi was a honest and courageous man, may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state that subjugated their land and enslaved their people.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/konstantin-rodzaevsky-d02d7ae9-ccca-4470-9463-96229d7e6d2-resize-750.jpeg

    Мир праху и вечная память.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack, @AP

  103. @Bashibuzuk
    @Shortsword

    That's more than just clothes. Symbols matter. If your culture has used a certain symbol for many thousand years, then a certain level of respect is to be had towards it. But you're free to have another opinion. If you like the Masonic Red Star better you're free to keep it and use it according to my recommendations above...

    🙂

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    I like this symbol.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Daniel Chieh

    Hundreds of years ago, used to be a common custom in Europe for a gentleman to make a provision in his will that some small number of gold coins be divided among his relatives and friends, to be made into rings imprinted with the skull and crossbones. It was a way of mocking death.

    Of course, nowadays if you wore one you would be compared to some flamboyant pirate of questionable sexuality, or an SS officer.

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Daniel Chieh

    WH 40K is funny but overrated in my humble opinion. When I was into Sci-fi, my personal favorite was Schizmatrix by Bruce Sterling. It was a time when I was into transhumanism and was personally engaged on professional level in some interesting scientific work that today is directly used to impact humanity's future. That was something like 10 years ago. Today I don't believe in technologic progress as a source of general human happiness anymore. On individual level true happiness is to be found in wisdom. Wisdom is to be acquired through the contemplation of our past as a civilization. Without this wisdom, there would be no Future for us as a species, at least not a glorious one, not a fulfilling and happy one.

    My personal favorite as a symbol is:

    https://i.pinimg.com/736x/98/46/a5/9846a549f61000014019a9e969ed8394.jpg

    Swastika is my second best, Celtic Cross comes third.

    Each one of these symbols has a profound meaning and can be used as a "Yantra" for mental practice. But you probably already know that.

    , @Boomthorkell
    @Daniel Chieh

    I think the nice thing about 40k was that it actually addresses multiple humans progress movements, giving us their greatest and worst faces. Transhumanism for the Priesthood of Mars, Genetic Supremacy to an extent through various schemes of the God-Emperor, and more importantly, the concept of "Spiritual Evolution of the Race" which the Emperor was attempting to guide, and reaching a new stage with the "Psychic Awakening." This in particular really connected to a lot of ongoing occult movements and their thoughts about coming ages of rapid spiritual and psychic evolution.

    For me, I think our future will be similar. Humanity needs tools, even for sorcery, because no living human is a walking, genuinely powerful saint or psyker who can just "do things." Technology without belief or understanding is also dangerous. Basically, why not do both and see what works?

    All the while, keeping the Chaos Gods from corrupting our souls as we use the warp (aether, black matter, noosphere) to our benefit.

    Honestly, while a lot of times, being a disgruntled American National Populist, I can sound like a White Nationalist, really, I just want a galactic feudal empire where we can all work together to find our best self and fight something worthwhile. Maybe ascend to Demi-Godhood while we're at it.

  104. It’s pretty funny reading this thread. AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ “morons”. Many of his commenters push back.

    There’s nothing wrong with AK’s positions. But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed “Russian” nationalist getting railroaded like this. Poor guy. He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he’s battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    He should just move to Israel, now that they accept liberal conversions, and live in a wonderful climate where he can troll the nazis even more effectively while enjoying a truly first world society. He can still find plenty of Russians locally and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while. Literally no downside.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Disagree: Daniel Chieh, AltanBakshi
    • Troll: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while.
     
    I think Dmitry likes to make the point that Israel is not a first world country, but a mix of first and third world without being either one.

    I am also disinclined to agree with BB. I think Israel does not vote like a first world country - which seems like a pretty big distinction. Though, supposedly, you can drink the tapwater there - which is generally my go to definition for "first world."

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    , @mal
    @Thulean Friend


    He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he’s battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.
     
    He would get cancelled by the woke in any "proper 1st world country" whatever that means these days. Moscow has less typhus spreading rats than Los Angeles City Hall.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-homeless-camps-city-hall-rats-civic-hall-sanitation-crisis/
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @Thulean Friend

    Bashibuzuk is not representative of the average nationalist that AK interacts with, I'd say.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend


    AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ “morons”.
     
    Yes, I'm just extremely well known for my philo-Semitism.

    * https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#White_nationalism_and_alt-right
    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/quantified-jq/

    But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed “Russian” nationalist getting railroaded like this.
     
    "Railroaded" by Bashibuzuk (a person who emigrated for good in the mid-1990s) and people with handles like "Kent Nationalist"?

    He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he’s battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.
     
    There are literal liberal Jews who repat to Moscow or SPB because Israel is one big village outside Tel Aviv. Sometimes for the express purpose of shitting on Russia, e.g. David Homak: https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1289165569808142337

    Probably hard to believe for someone who obsesses about "Poor People's Parity" like others do about JQ matters, but it is what is it is.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  105. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    I like this symbol.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/07/Adeptus_mecanics.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Boomthorkell

    Hundreds of years ago, used to be a common custom in Europe for a gentleman to make a provision in his will that some small number of gold coins be divided among his relatives and friends, to be made into rings imprinted with the skull and crossbones. It was a way of mocking death.

    Of course, nowadays if you wore one you would be compared to some flamboyant pirate of questionable sexuality, or an SS officer.

  106. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    Do you imply that anyone strongly interested in the JQ is a moron?
     
    No, because I'm not a moron. (I think). Next strawman? :)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily “morons” as you have initially hastily affirmed.

    Igor’ Shafarevich, who has written the “Thousand years enigma”, Solzhenitsin who authored “Two hundred years together ” or Ron Unz who wrote several essays about the JQ were writing about similar topics as Rodzaevskyi. Perhaps the style was different, less polemical, more thoughtful, but the topic itself was similar. The reason to write was also most probably similar.

    Rodzaevskyi has escaped USSR in the late 1920ies. A time when “Great Russian Chauvinism ” was a crime serious enough to end up in the Solovki camp, Antisemitic propaganda was punished by death, but anyone could say whatever negative about Russian people without any notable consequences to one’s career, freedom and life. It would have been very surprising if the JQ would have “passed him by” after his young years’ experience in the Soviet Union where he was in the Komsomol.

    He met Ustryalov who was to become his teacher in the University of Harbin and had a lasting impression on him. The influence of Ustryalov moved Rodzaevskyi to look into Italian Fascism, which was so fashionable at the time. Italian Fascism, Solidarism, Nationalism were then (and are to this very day) completely valid outlooks on the social organization. Ustryalov created his Nazbol doctrines on their basis, Rodzaevskyi was probably less of an academic and theoretizing type and went to actively engage into politics using Mussolini’s doctrines. He did not create something specifically novel or original, but he was no idiot either.

    He paid his convictions and his political activities with his life, like Ustryalov and so many other also did. He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people’s future.

    He was a honorable person, even though perhaps a somewhat mistaken one. I think that when writing about those who came and gone before us we should give credit where credit is due. Konstantin Rodzaevskyi was a honest and courageous man, may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state that subjugated their land and enslaved their people.

    Мир праху и вечная память.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    It is paradoxically easier to be a Russian National Socialist or White Nationalist in Ukraine, than in Russia itself.
     
    Correct. Being neither NSDAP nor WN, I fail to see how that's of relevance to me. Or to Russian nationalists (again, as opposed to NSDAP'ists or WN's).

    Recently Tesak got murdered in prison and the government has proceeded with a cover up of his murder.
     
    Sad because he was a colorful fellow, but I don't recall him even claiming to be a nationalist, and was drifting towards libertarianism in his final couple of years. https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1306970990841397249

    Practically, I think it's obvious Tesak was a net negative so far as Russian nationalism is concerned. No meaningful theoretical or practical contributions (even Milchakov, psychopath that he is, killed some other psychopaths from Aidar, which at least is a useful thing to do), but did provoke a near decade-long crackdown on Russian nationalist activists that only ended around 2019.

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily “morons” as you have initially hastily affirmed.
     
    It is called a generalization. When I say that blacks aren't bright, that women and East Asians are conformists, or that Jews have a lot of chutzpah, I do not usually bother adding on average because I assume that I am not talking with morons or SJWs.

    But yes, I do think it's safe to say that JQ'ists don't have high IQs (sigh... on average). I can cite statistics, but one can infer this by simply reading the comments to a typical JQ article and noting their level of grammar, spelling, punctuation, spamming of videos instead of making their own arguments, etc. There are obviously exceptions, e.g. Bobby Fischer.

    ... Solzhenitsin who authored “Two hundred years together ”

     

    Have you actually read it? There is nothing in common with it, and demented screeds like Rodzaevsky's.

    He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people’s future.
     
    50 million deracinated yokels happily prancing about in swastika-themed kosovorotkas and just about literate enough to read the Autobahn signs to not get run over by Germans in their Volkswagens. If there's one thing I don't blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it's shooting these people too.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Bashibuzuk

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    You're becoming quite the writer!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    , @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state
     
    I would not mention Vlasov in the same breath as, for example, Krasnov or Shkuro. The latter never took Soviet citizenship and were always enemies of the evil Bolshevik terrorists who had occupied their country. They were wrong to support an even greater evil for Russia, but likely due to having been ignorant or misguided about the extent of the evil which they served (perhaps as a result of having been blinded by their justified hatred of the Bolsheviks). May they, indeed, rest in peace. As you may know, Krasnov's nephew helped to prevent Bolsheviks from coming to power in Chile:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Krassnoff

    Vlasov, OTOH, participated in the Civil War on the side of the Bolsheviks, thus betraying the Russian people. He was an ardent Bolshevik with a successful career, surviving the purges and achieving the highest status. The blood of millions of Russians and Ukrainians is thus partially on his hands. Only after he was captured did he betray the regime - at a time when it was clear how bad his new masters were.

    Thanks for bringing up those other guys I had not been aware of.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  107. @Thulean Friend
    It's pretty funny reading this thread. AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ "morons". Many of his commenters push back.

    There's nothing wrong with AK's positions. But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed "Russian" nationalist getting railroaded like this. Poor guy. He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he's battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    He should just move to Israel, now that they accept liberal conversions, and live in a wonderful climate where he can troll the nazis even more effectively while enjoying a truly first world society. He can still find plenty of Russians locally and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while. Literally no downside.

    Replies: @songbird, @mal, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while.

    I think Dmitry likes to make the point that Israel is not a first world country, but a mix of first and third world without being either one.

    I am also disinclined to agree with BB. I think Israel does not vote like a first world country – which seems like a pretty big distinction. Though, supposedly, you can drink the tapwater there – which is generally my go to definition for “first world.”

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird

    Israel is certainly a very interesting and productive society, which has a talented, energetic and outcome oriented population. If they manage to have peace with their neighbors, then the future of Israel will be very bright. I have no doubt about it.

    And ThuFri is right, Karlin would fit in there perfectly. Both on the psychotype and phenotype levels. I am pretty certain that many people who get to know him in RusFed are initially inclined to see him as being of Jewish ancestry. He has it in him: the wit, the fast thinking, the humour, the rootlessness, the cosmopolitan touche à tout approach.

    He should go to some Kibbutz, marry and have cute energetic children, then work in a startup in some futuristic tech sector. He would be happy that way.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Dmitry
    @songbird

    It's funny because your criteria for first world country is "you can drink tap water", while I think my criteria for a civilized country is to have "modern and useable public transport".

    Here is something from the Cold War. For you Russia will not be considered a first world country, due to the bad quality of tap water in certain cities. On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @reiner Tor
    @songbird

    In Hungary in the 1980s we drank tap water all the time.

    Replies: @sudden death, @songbird

  108. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    I like this symbol.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/07/Adeptus_mecanics.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Boomthorkell

    WH 40K is funny but overrated in my humble opinion. When I was into Sci-fi, my personal favorite was Schizmatrix by Bruce Sterling. It was a time when I was into transhumanism and was personally engaged on professional level in some interesting scientific work that today is directly used to impact humanity’s future. That was something like 10 years ago. Today I don’t believe in technologic progress as a source of general human happiness anymore. On individual level true happiness is to be found in wisdom. Wisdom is to be acquired through the contemplation of our past as a civilization. Without this wisdom, there would be no Future for us as a species, at least not a glorious one, not a fulfilling and happy one.

    My personal favorite as a symbol is:

    Swastika is my second best, Celtic Cross comes third.

    Each one of these symbols has a profound meaning and can be used as a “Yantra” for mental practice. But you probably already know that.

  109. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Shortsword

    He is featured in Hearts of Iron IV as an alternate fascist-aligned leader of the USSR if the plot against Stalin succeeds. I once conquered Europe and the US as a fascist Russian Empire under Rodzaevsky. I'd say that's relevant. (Then again, it's a broken game where I also conquered Nazi Germany as Belgium, so take that FWIW).

    Replies: @Boomthorkell

    Savinkovite, NatPop Russia is where it’s at.

    Kaiserreich-timeline though.

  110. @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk

    I like this symbol.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/07/Adeptus_mecanics.jpg

    Replies: @songbird, @Bashibuzuk, @Boomthorkell

    I think the nice thing about 40k was that it actually addresses multiple humans progress movements, giving us their greatest and worst faces. Transhumanism for the Priesthood of Mars, Genetic Supremacy to an extent through various schemes of the God-Emperor, and more importantly, the concept of “Spiritual Evolution of the Race” which the Emperor was attempting to guide, and reaching a new stage with the “Psychic Awakening.” This in particular really connected to a lot of ongoing occult movements and their thoughts about coming ages of rapid spiritual and psychic evolution.

    For me, I think our future will be similar. Humanity needs tools, even for sorcery, because no living human is a walking, genuinely powerful saint or psyker who can just “do things.” Technology without belief or understanding is also dangerous. Basically, why not do both and see what works?

    All the while, keeping the Chaos Gods from corrupting our souls as we use the warp (aether, black matter, noosphere) to our benefit.

    Honestly, while a lot of times, being a disgruntled American National Populist, I can sound like a White Nationalist, really, I just want a galactic feudal empire where we can all work together to find our best self and fight something worthwhile. Maybe ascend to Demi-Godhood while we’re at it.

  111. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while.
     
    I think Dmitry likes to make the point that Israel is not a first world country, but a mix of first and third world without being either one.

    I am also disinclined to agree with BB. I think Israel does not vote like a first world country - which seems like a pretty big distinction. Though, supposedly, you can drink the tapwater there - which is generally my go to definition for "first world."

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    Israel is certainly a very interesting and productive society, which has a talented, energetic and outcome oriented population. If they manage to have peace with their neighbors, then the future of Israel will be very bright. I have no doubt about it.

    And ThuFri is right, Karlin would fit in there perfectly. Both on the psychotype and phenotype levels. I am pretty certain that many people who get to know him in RusFed are initially inclined to see him as being of Jewish ancestry. He has it in him: the wit, the fast thinking, the humour, the rootlessness, the cosmopolitan touche à tout approach.

    He should go to some Kibbutz, marry and have cute energetic children, then work in a startup in some futuristic tech sector. He would be happy that way.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Bashibuzuk


    Karlin would fit in there perfectly. Both on the psychotype and phenotype levels.
     
    I think Anatoly could take the sun. I have seen some Jews from Israel - unmistakably Middle Eastern nose, but very pale skin (perhaps, bookish college students who would tan, if exposed to the sun?), and I wonder how they can take the sun. I am 100% sure it would kill me dead.

    But I wonder if Russian Jews in Israel take digs at Ukraine? If not, perhaps, he would not be happy there.

    This idea of expanding Israeli citizenship is interesting, though. If the glue is the Holocaust, would it really matter, if they took in anyone with a liberal mindset? Or any Western elites. To your earlier point about an Arab and Jewish convergence: my impression is that a lot of Arab elites - or oil Arabs - go to international schools where they are molded into the current global mindset. To signal status against non-oil Arabs and against Europeans, they really trumpet the Holocaust at a drop of a hat. But maybe, that is only until the oil checks stop, and Israelis would do well to keep them out.
  112. @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird

    Israel is certainly a very interesting and productive society, which has a talented, energetic and outcome oriented population. If they manage to have peace with their neighbors, then the future of Israel will be very bright. I have no doubt about it.

    And ThuFri is right, Karlin would fit in there perfectly. Both on the psychotype and phenotype levels. I am pretty certain that many people who get to know him in RusFed are initially inclined to see him as being of Jewish ancestry. He has it in him: the wit, the fast thinking, the humour, the rootlessness, the cosmopolitan touche à tout approach.

    He should go to some Kibbutz, marry and have cute energetic children, then work in a startup in some futuristic tech sector. He would be happy that way.

    Replies: @songbird

    Karlin would fit in there perfectly. Both on the psychotype and phenotype levels.

    I think Anatoly could take the sun. I have seen some Jews from Israel – unmistakably Middle Eastern nose, but very pale skin (perhaps, bookish college students who would tan, if exposed to the sun?), and I wonder how they can take the sun. I am 100% sure it would kill me dead.

    But I wonder if Russian Jews in Israel take digs at Ukraine? If not, perhaps, he would not be happy there.

    This idea of expanding Israeli citizenship is interesting, though. If the glue is the Holocaust, would it really matter, if they took in anyone with a liberal mindset? Or any Western elites. To your earlier point about an Arab and Jewish convergence: my impression is that a lot of Arab elites – or oil Arabs – go to international schools where they are molded into the current global mindset. To signal status against non-oil Arabs and against Europeans, they really trumpet the Holocaust at a drop of a hat. But maybe, that is only until the oil checks stop, and Israelis would do well to keep them out.

  113. @Thulean Friend
    It's pretty funny reading this thread. AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ "morons". Many of his commenters push back.

    There's nothing wrong with AK's positions. But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed "Russian" nationalist getting railroaded like this. Poor guy. He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he's battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    He should just move to Israel, now that they accept liberal conversions, and live in a wonderful climate where he can troll the nazis even more effectively while enjoying a truly first world society. He can still find plenty of Russians locally and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while. Literally no downside.

    Replies: @songbird, @mal, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he’s battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    He would get cancelled by the woke in any “proper 1st world country” whatever that means these days. Moscow has less typhus spreading rats than Los Angeles City Hall.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-homeless-camps-city-hall-rats-civic-hall-sanitation-crisis/

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  114. @Gerard-Mandela
    @sudden death

    Stop projecting the Lithuanian scenario you dummy. 40 years of total love and zero resistance to Soviet rule and 200 years of Russian "occupation" would be something to say required foreign help to overcome.
    Tsar was building many hospitals for Lithuania, I don't see you fools in a rush to replace russian rail gauge. We all know the peace, prosperity and happiness Soviet times gave you idiots. If answered honestly , far more Lithuanians were in favour of keeping Ignalina operating than were in going away from USSR....but we all know what prostituting statehood has resulted for in Lithuania ( though of course non-comparably better to Ukropia). You were an authoritarian dictatorship, where the dictator ELIMINATED parliament for 14 years - because of this after the coward ran away - Soviets were begged to incorporate them into USSR.

    As for Banderastan - what happened once again you cretin was another failure by the country to run itself, resulting in another farce and another power vaccum that brought evil Nazi scum into the state apparatus with western backing .This was a failed state taken over by Nazi's . Get that into your thick head. To go with this serious farce - arrests, laws and violence perfectly show Russian views were completely accurate.

    You fools are run by Americans , so think of Americana films as Shane and Magnificent Seven, that perfectly describes similar scenario of these people who entered Lugansk and Donetsk to defend people of Donbass.

    It's amazing - a scumbag state ordered by US and demands for IMF loan, initiates war against civilians trying to resist this farce or at least be negotiated with...but you blame the innocent side?!

    Replies: @sudden death

    haha, nice to spot such a genuine and honest fan of interwar Lithuanian parliamentarism popping up here 🙂 btw, post-stalinist Soviet period can be viewed as somewhat tolerable just for the one reason that under our local kinda national-communist leader Snieckus (IIRC the only one local leader in USSR who managed to rule uninterupted under Stalin, Kruschev and Breznev) numbers of imported Soviet colonists were somehow kept at manageable levels, which was stark difference from Estonia&Latvia at the same time.

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire 😉

    But what all of the above has got to do with the modern RF premeditated incitement and organizing of hot “civil war” in eastern Ukraine, I have no idea.

    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
    @sudden death


    post-Stalinist Soviet period can be viewed as somewhat tolerable just for the one reason that under our local, kind of Communist-national leader Snieckus numbers of imported Soviet colonists were somehow kept at manageable levels, in stark difference to Estonia and Latvia
     
    You know what's coming from me to that comment , so why do you do it?

    Lithuania has the smallest percentage population of russians/bel/ukr out of all the European ex USSR States........ and "coincidentally" has by far the highest suicide rate, alcoholism and depopulation rate out of all of them, and probably any other country in the world!

    You do know of course that Trump is not the first President to be impeached for Russia links in a completely joke court. Maybe Lithuanians initially electing that reasonably sane (for a baltic politician) and good guy instead of that American Nazi fugitive scumbag puppet they tried to impose on them..... was a sign that anti russian and anti Soviet attitudes of lithuanians are not reaching the levels that baltic/western apparatus brainwashing would like. I certainly have enjoyed all my trips to Lithuania.

    As for Ukraine your "logic" is the same as saying the WTC stopped those planes, instead of the pilots of those planes deliberately flying into them! Completely deranged. You take advantage of the kind, peaceful nature of Russian/Soviet people who calmly allowed the USSR to dissolve into saying they are "inciting" or other BS. Facts are they took peaceful, proportionate, moral actions to protest another western imposed, farcical failed "revolution" on them.
    Evil scum west and Banderastan launched war on them, with war being a direct condition for them to get western "help" and IMF loans ( first time IMF ever loaned to state in such disputed position)

    Replies: @sudden death

  115. @Thulean Friend
    It's pretty funny reading this thread. AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ "morons". Many of his commenters push back.

    There's nothing wrong with AK's positions. But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed "Russian" nationalist getting railroaded like this. Poor guy. He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he's battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    He should just move to Israel, now that they accept liberal conversions, and live in a wonderful climate where he can troll the nazis even more effectively while enjoying a truly first world society. He can still find plenty of Russians locally and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while. Literally no downside.

    Replies: @songbird, @mal, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    Bashibuzuk is not representative of the average nationalist that AK interacts with, I’d say.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Daniel Chieh


    The Qing were indeed very Buddhist, but I am still skeptical that they would be able to spent any significant amount of the state budget on temples without backlash from the bureaucracy. After all, Chinese bureaucracy was so extensive that it was heavenly.
     
    I disagree, Qing emperors were ardent builders of huge Buddhist monasteries and imperial palaces. Northern Hebei is full of such imperial construction projects, like Puning temple or truly massive Putuo Zongcheng Temple, Buddhist statues there are colossal, roofs and ornaments there are full of gold and silver. Then there's the imperial resort of Chengde,which was build as a microcosm of the huge empire. European mansions, scenic areas and palaces are small in scope in comparison with those build by Qing.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Putuo_Zongcheng_Temple.jpg

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Chengde_1875-1890.jpg/1280px-Chengde_1875-1890.jpg

    These are just few examples, Qing funded the building of world's biggest monasteries in Qinghai and Gansu, like Labrang and Kumbum, there's nothing comparable with them in Europe. Also I must say that Chinese bureaucracy was not so big as those employed by centralised European states of the 18th and 19th century, it was a mixed system of formal and informal ties, often provincial scholars were not directly employed or paid by the imperial government but gave generously their help out of their Confucian sensibilities and loyalty to the throne, of course emperor often rewarded with gifts and titles his loyal subjects, but amount of officials was relatively small, only about 0.3-0.5% of population was composed of scholar-official-gentry class.

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @AltanBakshi
    @Daniel Chieh

    Bashibuzuk is an idealist dreamer, not a pragmatist or a genuine Russian patriot. By giving respect to such scum as Vlasov, he shits on the sensibilities of majority of Russians and Rossiyane, who fought valiantly in defense of their common motherland, Commies were no good, but their plans were humane in comparison what Nazis were planning for Slavs. If he would be a Han he would probably understand Taiwanese Hanjian collaborators and traitors, even say that they fought for real China against foreign infiltration or something as stupid. There are no perfect leaders and societies are made of men, not angels, things could have gone much, much worse without Putin.

    Accepting reality as it is, and not as one would wish it to be, is a first step on a path towards wisdom.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Daniel Chieh

    Yep, I am one of a kind. If there were more of my kind, there would be trouble. Better for everyone we would be few and far between...

    🙂

  116. @Daniel Chieh
    @Thulean Friend

    Bashibuzuk is not representative of the average nationalist that AK interacts with, I'd say.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk

    The Qing were indeed very Buddhist, but I am still skeptical that they would be able to spent any significant amount of the state budget on temples without backlash from the bureaucracy. After all, Chinese bureaucracy was so extensive that it was heavenly.

    I disagree, Qing emperors were ardent builders of huge Buddhist monasteries and imperial palaces. Northern Hebei is full of such imperial construction projects, like Puning temple or truly massive Putuo Zongcheng Temple, Buddhist statues there are colossal, roofs and ornaments there are full of gold and silver. Then there’s the imperial resort of Chengde,which was build as a microcosm of the huge empire. European mansions, scenic areas and palaces are small in scope in comparison with those build by Qing.

    These are just few examples, Qing funded the building of world’s biggest monasteries in Qinghai and Gansu, like Labrang and Kumbum, there’s nothing comparable with them in Europe. Also I must say that Chinese bureaucracy was not so big as those employed by centralised European states of the 18th and 19th century, it was a mixed system of formal and informal ties, often provincial scholars were not directly employed or paid by the imperial government but gave generously their help out of their Confucian sensibilities and loyalty to the throne, of course emperor often rewarded with gifts and titles his loyal subjects, but amount of officials was relatively small, only about 0.3-0.5% of population was composed of scholar-official-gentry class.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @AltanBakshi

    I don't deny that the Qing were, in my opinion, rather prolific in their construction of temples.


    Also I must say that Chinese bureaucracy was not so big as those employed by centralised European states of the 18th and 19th century, it was a mixed system of formal and informal ties, often provincial scholars were not directly employed or paid by the imperial government but gave generously their help out of their Confucian sensibilities and loyalty to the throne, of course emperor often rewarded with gifts and titles his loyal subjects, but amount of officials was relatively small, only about 0.3-0.5% of population was composed of scholar-official-gentry class.
     
    Do you have source from this?

    My understanding was quite the opposite, and that taking the Imperial exam and getting a qualifying but not getting a post was nonetheless considered an honorable way to make a living, since such unassigned individuals nonetheless paid some rate.

    I'll have to review more reading on this - I found a paper on this earlier, but I'm being blocked by a paywall. My own family was a Ming hereditary military family(with a 屯田) and at some point in the Qing also tested into the government offices as scholar officials, though afaik it was always the continuing ownership of land from where we held most of our fortunes until le Commies decided to intervene. I'm 60% Mongol, so there's some interesting stories there, it would seem.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  117. @Shortsword
    @Europe Europa

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/ba/05/47ba057ba15a24519c78c785c4a9f773.jpg

    Each colored region deserves to be its own country that is free, independent and democratic. Except Northern Ireland, that goes to Ireland.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    You could say the same thing about a map of Russia divided up into its “Federal subjects”, which actually exist while the map you’ve shown is just some “regional” nonsense that the anti-British elites have never managed to actually bring into existence.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Europe Europa

    You might be right as to most of those regions. But there continues to be substantial support among Scotland’s citizens for secession from the “UK” and to an apparently lesser extent among the Welsh.

    As for the other commenter’s suggestion that each of the colored areas be an independent “democratic” country, let’s imagine the likeliest outcome of that in the London of 2050: sharia “law” imposed on the minority by the emerging Islamist majority. Wonder if the other commenter would be alright with that.

    Well, at least an independent Muslim-controlled London might aggressively remove the pernicious perverse influence of homosexuals and “transgenders” from their schools, “pop culture”, and society. Would they also end the big banks and financiers’ practices of usury and speculation?

  118. @Thulean Friend
    It's pretty funny reading this thread. AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ "morons". Many of his commenters push back.

    There's nothing wrong with AK's positions. But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed "Russian" nationalist getting railroaded like this. Poor guy. He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he's battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    He should just move to Israel, now that they accept liberal conversions, and live in a wonderful climate where he can troll the nazis even more effectively while enjoying a truly first world society. He can still find plenty of Russians locally and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while. Literally no downside.

    Replies: @songbird, @mal, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ “morons”.

    Yes, I’m just extremely well known for my philo-Semitism.

    * https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#White_nationalism_and_alt-right
    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/quantified-jq/

    But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed “Russian” nationalist getting railroaded like this.

    “Railroaded” by Bashibuzuk (a person who emigrated for good in the mid-1990s) and people with handles like “Kent Nationalist”?

    He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he’s battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.

    There are literal liberal Jews who repat to Moscow or SPB because Israel is one big village outside Tel Aviv. Sometimes for the express purpose of shitting on Russia, e.g. David Homak: https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1289165569808142337

    Probably hard to believe for someone who obsesses about “Poor People’s Parity” like others do about JQ matters, but it is what is it is.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin


    village outside Tel Aviv. Sometimes
     
    I don't think Tel Aviv is either anything more than feeling like some connected semi-abandoned villages, and not like a "big city".

    It feels like if you added together some decaying villages (some with filled with utopian hipsters, others with African workers), with a beautiful liberal-atmosphere beach resort, and then started randomly, chaotically planting huge skyscrapers all over it.


    -

    If you want to create a city atmosphere a key component is the illusion of the city as an autonomous machine, that has some kind of independent existence beyond simply being a group of houses.

    In the next years, Tel Aviv will be such an experiment for the observer, to see if it is possible for the introduction of public transport (in this case, a tram line), to create some sense of "city forming" coherence between disjointed villages.

    Chinese are building a tram system there, which first line opens in 2022, and it will be seen if trams will create a sense of a city. (As it perhaps had when trams were first introduced in European cities).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgL6tJggBDU

  119. @Daniel Chieh
    @Thulean Friend

    Bashibuzuk is not representative of the average nationalist that AK interacts with, I'd say.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk

    Bashibuzuk is an idealist dreamer, not a pragmatist or a genuine Russian patriot. By giving respect to such scum as Vlasov, he shits on the sensibilities of majority of Russians and Rossiyane, who fought valiantly in defense of their common motherland, Commies were no good, but their plans were humane in comparison what Nazis were planning for Slavs. If he would be a Han he would probably understand Taiwanese Hanjian collaborators and traitors, even say that they fought for real China against foreign infiltration or something as stupid. There are no perfect leaders and societies are made of men, not angels, things could have gone much, much worse without Putin.

    Accepting reality as it is, and not as one would wish it to be, is a first step on a path towards wisdom.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AltanBakshi

    No.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  120. @anyone with a brain
    I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia - I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia - a gypsy woman I took a photo of here - she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc...I only ever see such horror in 'non-Balkanized' JUSA
     
    Tomo's observations are precisely the reason why there won't be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin's work he mentions Ibn Khaldun's idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Anatoly Karlin, @Not Only Wrathful, @james wilson, @Europe Europa, @Mr. XYZ, @Rattus Norwegius

    Of course Yugoslavia and Serbia aren’t and never were as violent as the US on a day to day level, they don’t have the same racial dynamic for a start.

    To try and compare them as if Yugoslavia and Serbia has something to teach the US, or that they are a model the US should copy, is ignorant to racial realities at best, if not disingenuous.

    Albanians in Kosovo is probably the closest parallel with Yugoslavia in regards to non-whites in the US and other Western countries, and how’s that worked out for Serbia? Not very well last time I checked.

  121. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily "morons" as you have initially hastily affirmed.

    Igor' Shafarevich, who has written the "Thousand years enigma", Solzhenitsin who authored "Two hundred years together " or Ron Unz who wrote several essays about the JQ were writing about similar topics as Rodzaevskyi. Perhaps the style was different, less polemical, more thoughtful, but the topic itself was similar. The reason to write was also most probably similar.

    Rodzaevskyi has escaped USSR in the late 1920ies. A time when "Great Russian Chauvinism " was a crime serious enough to end up in the Solovki camp, Antisemitic propaganda was punished by death, but anyone could say whatever negative about Russian people without any notable consequences to one's career, freedom and life. It would have been very surprising if the JQ would have "passed him by" after his young years' experience in the Soviet Union where he was in the Komsomol.

    He met Ustryalov who was to become his teacher in the University of Harbin and had a lasting impression on him. The influence of Ustryalov moved Rodzaevskyi to look into Italian Fascism, which was so fashionable at the time. Italian Fascism, Solidarism, Nationalism were then (and are to this very day) completely valid outlooks on the social organization. Ustryalov created his Nazbol doctrines on their basis, Rodzaevskyi was probably less of an academic and theoretizing type and went to actively engage into politics using Mussolini's doctrines. He did not create something specifically novel or original, but he was no idiot either.

    He paid his convictions and his political activities with his life, like Ustryalov and so many other also did. He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people's future.

    He was a honorable person, even though perhaps a somewhat mistaken one. I think that when writing about those who came and gone before us we should give credit where credit is due. Konstantin Rodzaevskyi was a honest and courageous man, may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state that subjugated their land and enslaved their people.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/konstantin-rodzaevsky-d02d7ae9-ccca-4470-9463-96229d7e6d2-resize-750.jpeg

    Мир праху и вечная память.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack, @AP

    It is paradoxically easier to be a Russian National Socialist or White Nationalist in Ukraine, than in Russia itself.

    Correct. Being neither NSDAP nor WN, I fail to see how that’s of relevance to me. Or to Russian nationalists (again, as opposed to NSDAP’ists or WN’s).

    Recently Tesak got murdered in prison and the government has proceeded with a cover up of his murder.

    Sad because he was a colorful fellow, but I don’t recall him even claiming to be a nationalist, and was drifting towards libertarianism in his final couple of years. https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1306970990841397249

    Practically, I think it’s obvious Tesak was a net negative so far as Russian nationalism is concerned. No meaningful theoretical or practical contributions (even Milchakov, psychopath that he is, killed some other psychopaths from Aidar, which at least is a useful thing to do), but did provoke a near decade-long crackdown on Russian nationalist activists that only ended around 2019.

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily “morons” as you have initially hastily affirmed.

    It is called a generalization. When I say that blacks aren’t bright, that women and East Asians are conformists, or that Jews have a lot of chutzpah, I do not usually bother adding on average because I assume that I am not talking with morons or SJWs.

    But yes, I do think it’s safe to say that JQ’ists don’t have high IQs (sigh… on average). I can cite statistics, but one can infer this by simply reading the comments to a typical JQ article and noting their level of grammar, spelling, punctuation, spamming of videos instead of making their own arguments, etc. There are obviously exceptions, e.g. Bobby Fischer.

    … Solzhenitsin who authored “Two hundred years together ”

    Have you actually read it? There is nothing in common with it, and demented screeds like Rodzaevsky’s.

    He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people’s future.

    50 million deracinated yokels happily prancing about in swastika-themed kosovorotkas and just about literate enough to read the Autobahn signs to not get run over by Germans in their Volkswagens. If there’s one thing I don’t blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it’s shooting these people too.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Troll: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk, @Morton's toes, @Not Only Wrathful, @silviosilver

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    If there’s one thing I don’t blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it’s shooting these people too.
     
    You have recently written that Brezhnev was the least bad among the Soviet leaders. Now you write that Stalin has made commendable things (shooting these people). I think we both agree that you find Putin way more palatable today than when you made ROG Pogrom videos.

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEqjvOTFTaKPYlnlqD3ll3QoKiPnyXNGo

    You find RusFed corruption levels acceptable, write that Central Asian immigration is no big deal and do not see a problem in RusFed's subpar demographics. You believe winning the war against Ukraine will solve Russian-Ukrainian problems and pretend to think that RusFed in its present stare can withstand on her own the new Cold War with the West. Living under Vlad Putin (that you mocked a few years ago) is growing onto you.

    You are drifting towards the RusFed mainstream opinions as you grow older. That is what вертикальная стабильность does to people: it uniformizes them. They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  122. @sudden death
    @Gerard-Mandela

    haha, nice to spot such a genuine and honest fan of interwar Lithuanian parliamentarism popping up here :) btw, post-stalinist Soviet period can be viewed as somewhat tolerable just for the one reason that under our local kinda national-communist leader Snieckus (IIRC the only one local leader in USSR who managed to rule uninterupted under Stalin, Kruschev and Breznev) numbers of imported Soviet colonists were somehow kept at manageable levels, which was stark difference from Estonia&Latvia at the same time.

    As for the tzars, have no any problem for admiting that it was better to be Lithuanian under their rule in 19th century than Irishman at the sime time under the rule of British empire ;)

    But what all of the above has got to do with the modern RF premeditated incitement and organizing of hot "civil war" in eastern Ukraine, I have no idea.

    Replies: @Gerard.Gerard

    post-Stalinist Soviet period can be viewed as somewhat tolerable just for the one reason that under our local, kind of Communist-national leader Snieckus numbers of imported Soviet colonists were somehow kept at manageable levels, in stark difference to Estonia and Latvia

    You know what’s coming from me to that comment , so why do you do it?

    Lithuania has the smallest percentage population of russians/bel/ukr out of all the European ex USSR States…….. and “coincidentally” has by far the highest suicide rate, alcoholism and depopulation rate out of all of them, and probably any other country in the world!

    You do know of course that Trump is not the first President to be impeached for Russia links in a completely joke court. Maybe Lithuanians initially electing that reasonably sane (for a baltic politician) and good guy instead of that American Nazi fugitive scumbag puppet they tried to impose on them….. was a sign that anti russian and anti Soviet attitudes of lithuanians are not reaching the levels that baltic/western apparatus brainwashing would like. I certainly have enjoyed all my trips to Lithuania.

    As for Ukraine your “logic” is the same as saying the WTC stopped those planes, instead of the pilots of those planes deliberately flying into them! Completely deranged. You take advantage of the kind, peaceful nature of Russian/Soviet people who calmly allowed the USSR to dissolve into saying they are “inciting” or other BS. Facts are they took peaceful, proportionate, moral actions to protest another western imposed, farcical failed “revolution” on them.
    Evil scum west and Banderastan launched war on them, with war being a direct condition for them to get western “help” and IMF loans ( first time IMF ever loaned to state in such disputed position)

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @Gerard.Gerard

    Without denying the very existence of a serious problems, once again have to remind that high suicide rates are very similar in RF (25.1) as in Lithuania (26.1), also the alcohol consumption (RF 20.1 liters, LT 18.9) so the chain of thought associating suicides or alcoholism exclusively with lack or abundance of Soviet imported population is doubtful at least.

    2019 WHO suicide data:

    https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

    2020 alcohol data:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country

    Replies: @Shortsword

  123. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    It is paradoxically easier to be a Russian National Socialist or White Nationalist in Ukraine, than in Russia itself.
     
    Correct. Being neither NSDAP nor WN, I fail to see how that's of relevance to me. Or to Russian nationalists (again, as opposed to NSDAP'ists or WN's).

    Recently Tesak got murdered in prison and the government has proceeded with a cover up of his murder.
     
    Sad because he was a colorful fellow, but I don't recall him even claiming to be a nationalist, and was drifting towards libertarianism in his final couple of years. https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1306970990841397249

    Practically, I think it's obvious Tesak was a net negative so far as Russian nationalism is concerned. No meaningful theoretical or practical contributions (even Milchakov, psychopath that he is, killed some other psychopaths from Aidar, which at least is a useful thing to do), but did provoke a near decade-long crackdown on Russian nationalist activists that only ended around 2019.

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily “morons” as you have initially hastily affirmed.
     
    It is called a generalization. When I say that blacks aren't bright, that women and East Asians are conformists, or that Jews have a lot of chutzpah, I do not usually bother adding on average because I assume that I am not talking with morons or SJWs.

    But yes, I do think it's safe to say that JQ'ists don't have high IQs (sigh... on average). I can cite statistics, but one can infer this by simply reading the comments to a typical JQ article and noting their level of grammar, spelling, punctuation, spamming of videos instead of making their own arguments, etc. There are obviously exceptions, e.g. Bobby Fischer.

    ... Solzhenitsin who authored “Two hundred years together ”

     

    Have you actually read it? There is nothing in common with it, and demented screeds like Rodzaevsky's.

    He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people’s future.
     
    50 million deracinated yokels happily prancing about in swastika-themed kosovorotkas and just about literate enough to read the Autobahn signs to not get run over by Germans in their Volkswagens. If there's one thing I don't blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it's shooting these people too.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Bashibuzuk

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Kent Nationalist

    So vast majority of Soviet PoWs died in German camps, but somehow vast majority of Jews did not? Or do Holocaust deniers also deny the deaths of millions of Poles, Russians and Ukrainians in German camps?

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Kent Nationalist

    Karlin's attitude nowadays is very simple to explain. He is probably doing his thing in Russia, adapting to his new environment and evolving towards surviving and perhaps thriving there. Going all in into the JQ, Holocaust revisionism, Anticorruption agitation or WN militancy would instantly make him non handshake-worthy (a Russian slang: нерукопожатный). It would prevent him from ever becoming truly comfortable in the Putin's RusFed. As Lenin famously wrote : existence defines consciousness. Our friend Karlin is simply becoming another professional RusFed patriot with a WH 40K and Dark Enlightenment twist about him that might find some appeal among the younger generations.

    G-d bless and G-d speed. If that makes him happy then so be it...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Morton's toes
    @Kent Nationalist

    Did you read the Moldbug analysis of Scott Alexander's response to his NYTimes doxx?

    Not the whole thing. Nobody could do that. But the paragraph about how by the end of a Scott post he is in total agreement, with perhaps sometimes the most-silliest-trivial-black-swan-quibbles, with what the people in charge are telling the masses to think and believe?

    Nobody likes a complainer. The fellow who writes the main text can't be as freewheeling as us dorks who write the comments.

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Kent Nationalist


    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.
     
    Is there any Nazi today who likes white people today as they actually are?

    When you realise not, you will see why white people despise Nazis the most of any group in the world.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @silviosilver
    @Kent Nationalist


    Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.
     
    There are certainly intelligent Nazis, but on the whole, I find them moronic and very off-putting.

    I know it's all the same to lefties and liberals - anyone evincing pro-white attitudes is a "nazi" in their debased minds - but to me it is obviously possible to be pro-white and simultaneously disdainful of Nazis. And not just as some "marketing" tactic, but as a deeply felt ideological and moral commitment.

    That said, I find that Nazis can sometimes be surprisingly insightful.

    One of my favorites Nazi lines is: only Nazis and Jews understand what is happening.

    Although it's easy to quibble with and show that it's not wholly accurate, it's more profound than it seems at first glance. When a normie understands what it is trying to say, he will be much closer to comprehending political and racial reality than he is at present.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  124. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    It is paradoxically easier to be a Russian National Socialist or White Nationalist in Ukraine, than in Russia itself.
     
    Correct. Being neither NSDAP nor WN, I fail to see how that's of relevance to me. Or to Russian nationalists (again, as opposed to NSDAP'ists or WN's).

    Recently Tesak got murdered in prison and the government has proceeded with a cover up of his murder.
     
    Sad because he was a colorful fellow, but I don't recall him even claiming to be a nationalist, and was drifting towards libertarianism in his final couple of years. https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1306970990841397249

    Practically, I think it's obvious Tesak was a net negative so far as Russian nationalism is concerned. No meaningful theoretical or practical contributions (even Milchakov, psychopath that he is, killed some other psychopaths from Aidar, which at least is a useful thing to do), but did provoke a near decade-long crackdown on Russian nationalist activists that only ended around 2019.

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily “morons” as you have initially hastily affirmed.
     
    It is called a generalization. When I say that blacks aren't bright, that women and East Asians are conformists, or that Jews have a lot of chutzpah, I do not usually bother adding on average because I assume that I am not talking with morons or SJWs.

    But yes, I do think it's safe to say that JQ'ists don't have high IQs (sigh... on average). I can cite statistics, but one can infer this by simply reading the comments to a typical JQ article and noting their level of grammar, spelling, punctuation, spamming of videos instead of making their own arguments, etc. There are obviously exceptions, e.g. Bobby Fischer.

    ... Solzhenitsin who authored “Two hundred years together ”

     

    Have you actually read it? There is nothing in common with it, and demented screeds like Rodzaevsky's.

    He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people’s future.
     
    50 million deracinated yokels happily prancing about in swastika-themed kosovorotkas and just about literate enough to read the Autobahn signs to not get run over by Germans in their Volkswagens. If there's one thing I don't blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it's shooting these people too.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Bashibuzuk

    If there’s one thing I don’t blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it’s shooting these people too.

    You have recently written that Brezhnev was the least bad among the Soviet leaders. Now you write that Stalin has made commendable things (shooting these people). I think we both agree that you find Putin way more palatable today than when you made ROG Pogrom videos.

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEqjvOTFTaKPYlnlqD3ll3QoKiPnyXNGo

    You find RusFed corruption levels acceptable, write that Central Asian immigration is no big deal and do not see a problem in RusFed’s subpar demographics. You believe winning the war against Ukraine will solve Russian-Ukrainian problems and pretend to think that RusFed in its present stare can withstand on her own the new Cold War with the West. Living under Vlad Putin (that you mocked a few years ago) is growing onto you.

    You are drifting towards the RusFed mainstream opinions as you grow older. That is what вертикальная стабильность does to people: it uniformizes them. They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    LOL, that wasn't me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov (not real name) with whom I used to make a podcast called ROG PR in 2017 along with pigdog, which launched the era of political podcasting in Russia. You can see the archive of those podcasts here: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussianHighlights/playlists

    Tellingly, Nesterov denounced Russian nationalism around mid-2018 and renounced his former views and friends, including myself for that matter ("HBD scum"): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1190729641193070593 He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    Here is what he produces these days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSlh5jDnXU


    They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.
     
    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @AltanBakshi

  125. @Kent Nationalist
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk, @Morton's toes, @Not Only Wrathful, @silviosilver

    So vast majority of Soviet PoWs died in German camps, but somehow vast majority of Jews did not? Or do Holocaust deniers also deny the deaths of millions of Poles, Russians and Ukrainians in German camps?

  126. LOL

  127. @Kent Nationalist
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk, @Morton's toes, @Not Only Wrathful, @silviosilver

    Karlin’s attitude nowadays is very simple to explain. He is probably doing his thing in Russia, adapting to his new environment and evolving towards surviving and perhaps thriving there. Going all in into the JQ, Holocaust revisionism, Anticorruption agitation or WN militancy would instantly make him non handshake-worthy (a Russian slang: нерукопожатный). It would prevent him from ever becoming truly comfortable in the Putin’s RusFed. As Lenin famously wrote : existence defines consciousness. Our friend Karlin is simply becoming another professional RusFed patriot with a WH 40K and Dark Enlightenment twist about him that might find some appeal among the younger generations.

    G-d bless and G-d speed. If that makes him happy then so be it…

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn't make me handshakeworthy either. It could be just that I don't want to associate with wrong and useless ideas, but do continue psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  128. @Daniel Chieh
    @Thulean Friend

    Bashibuzuk is not representative of the average nationalist that AK interacts with, I'd say.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk

    Yep, I am one of a kind. If there were more of my kind, there would be trouble. Better for everyone we would be few and far between…

    🙂

  129. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    If there’s one thing I don’t blame Stalin for, apart from shooting the Old Bolsheviks, it’s shooting these people too.
     
    You have recently written that Brezhnev was the least bad among the Soviet leaders. Now you write that Stalin has made commendable things (shooting these people). I think we both agree that you find Putin way more palatable today than when you made ROG Pogrom videos.

    https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEqjvOTFTaKPYlnlqD3ll3QoKiPnyXNGo

    You find RusFed corruption levels acceptable, write that Central Asian immigration is no big deal and do not see a problem in RusFed's subpar demographics. You believe winning the war against Ukraine will solve Russian-Ukrainian problems and pretend to think that RusFed in its present stare can withstand on her own the new Cold War with the West. Living under Vlad Putin (that you mocked a few years ago) is growing onto you.

    You are drifting towards the RusFed mainstream opinions as you grow older. That is what вертикальная стабильность does to people: it uniformizes them. They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    LOL, that wasn’t me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov (not real name) with whom I used to make a podcast called ROG PR in 2017 along with pigdog, which launched the era of political podcasting in Russia. You can see the archive of those podcasts here: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussianHighlights/playlists

    Tellingly, Nesterov denounced Russian nationalism around mid-2018 and renounced his former views and friends, including myself for that matter (“HBD scum”): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1190729641193070593 He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    Here is what he produces these days:

    They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.

    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    His Twitter bio has "Anarcho-lib" in it but unfortunately the Tweets are protected.

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    LOL, that wasn’t me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov
     
    I know, you were associated with him for a time along Prosvirnin. I used to have a lot of fun listening to your videos. They were mainly silly, but at least they were amusing. I still watch Prosvirnin's output from time to time.

    He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.
     
    You have successfully slayed this strawman, now ride your rocking horse back home.

    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.
     
    You are aware that the transhumanism you are so fond of is a typically 90ies trope?

    If I was ossified I would have stayed by my 90ies interests, which included transhumanism among other things I have left behind. But growing older is gaining wisdom and losing illusions.

    Just saying...

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I find your conversations with Bashibuzuk to be perhaps the most interesting ones here at this blogsite. He's able to open you up and pull things out of your vast knowledge base that you usually keep hidden to yourself. I hope that you appreciate him being the wonderful antagonist to you that he is.

    I've been meaning to compliment you on the very interesting photos that you always seem to include that accompany your open threads. They're either monochromatic ones or dark shaded color ones with a slightly dark veneer. The nourish effects are really quite good. Are you the photographer behind the lens for these great shots?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

    , @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.
     
    Couldn't agree anymore. As out of touch with the reality as Russian émigré imperial loyalists were in the late 1940's.

    Bashibuzuk it's time to kill your dreams, lest you become a prisoner of your illusions. Or maybe you are content with such existence?

    Anyway it's no good if Slavs or Han develop a strong national consciousness. Their duty and fate is to be the foundation stones for empires, they should have relatively loose framework identities which can easily accommodate and assimilate other nationalities, just look the Ukraine and Balkans and see what a strong national consciousness among Slavs does, it brings nothing else than just endless bickering and strife. There's a good and desirable balance to be found between the nationalistic chauvinism of Europe of the past and modern progressivism which denies organic and traditional identities. Georgia is a good example, if they would be less nationalistic, their quality of life and population statistics would be much better than they are now. Nationalism is like salt, only good in moderation.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  130. @Bashibuzuk
    @Kent Nationalist

    Karlin's attitude nowadays is very simple to explain. He is probably doing his thing in Russia, adapting to his new environment and evolving towards surviving and perhaps thriving there. Going all in into the JQ, Holocaust revisionism, Anticorruption agitation or WN militancy would instantly make him non handshake-worthy (a Russian slang: нерукопожатный). It would prevent him from ever becoming truly comfortable in the Putin's RusFed. As Lenin famously wrote : existence defines consciousness. Our friend Karlin is simply becoming another professional RusFed patriot with a WH 40K and Dark Enlightenment twist about him that might find some appeal among the younger generations.

    G-d bless and G-d speed. If that makes him happy then so be it...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn’t make me handshakeworthy either. It could be just that I don’t want to associate with wrong and useless ideas, but do continue psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn’t make me handshakeworthy either.
     
    DICh people do not read English speaking blogs, while professional Russian patriots agree about the DICh intelligence being "less abstract " to state it mildly. It is not a thought crime in Russia to dwell on these issues, as long as you don't attract the attention of Ramzan's tough guys. If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were "Subhumans" because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?

    psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.
     
    Thanks goodness I do not live in US, although I have had a couple of offers to move there to work in my professional field. And I would certainly not waste my time on your psychological evolution if you did not (now wrongly) name your blog "Russian Reaction " and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a "Russian Nationalist".

    BTW, why don't you describe what being a "Russian Nationalist" means for you nowadays?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

  131. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    LOL, that wasn't me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov (not real name) with whom I used to make a podcast called ROG PR in 2017 along with pigdog, which launched the era of political podcasting in Russia. You can see the archive of those podcasts here: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussianHighlights/playlists

    Tellingly, Nesterov denounced Russian nationalism around mid-2018 and renounced his former views and friends, including myself for that matter ("HBD scum"): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1190729641193070593 He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    Here is what he produces these days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSlh5jDnXU


    They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.
     
    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @AltanBakshi

    His Twitter bio has “Anarcho-lib” in it but unfortunately the Tweets are protected.

  132. So how would people compare their grammar skills and the state of their IQ compared to Giraldi and Kevin MacDonald?

  133. https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-arabia-indispensable-middle-east-ally-united-states-opinion-1575269

    Opinion article shilling for Saudi Arabia.

    He writes

    I believe that today’s Saudi Arabia is more important to us than ever. The region is fighting a battle of good versus evil, terrorism and chaos versus stability. The Kingdom and others in the region are seeking ways to realize a brighter future for their young populations.

    but then a couple of sentences later…

    Politics, diplomacy and so much else in life is not just black and white. Unless we behave and speak in a nuanced manner and recognize the differences we may have with our friends, partners and allies, while also understanding that we will only move our societies forward if we work together where we can and respect each other, we will fail to achieve the progress we strive for.

  134. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    LOL, that wasn't me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov (not real name) with whom I used to make a podcast called ROG PR in 2017 along with pigdog, which launched the era of political podcasting in Russia. You can see the archive of those podcasts here: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussianHighlights/playlists

    Tellingly, Nesterov denounced Russian nationalism around mid-2018 and renounced his former views and friends, including myself for that matter ("HBD scum"): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1190729641193070593 He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    Here is what he produces these days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSlh5jDnXU


    They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.
     
    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @AltanBakshi

    LOL, that wasn’t me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov

    I know, you were associated with him for a time along Prosvirnin. I used to have a lot of fun listening to your videos. They were mainly silly, but at least they were amusing. I still watch Prosvirnin’s output from time to time.

    He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    You have successfully slayed this strawman, now ride your rocking horse back home.

    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    You are aware that the transhumanism you are so fond of is a typically 90ies trope?

    If I was ossified I would have stayed by my 90ies interests, which included transhumanism among other things I have left behind. But growing older is gaining wisdom and losing illusions.

    Just saying…

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Bashibuzuk


    You are aware that the transhumanism you are so fond of is a typically 90ies trope?

     

    I apologize for not replying to anyone - I've been a bit busy with working and all free time has been utilized for snarky shitpoasting and acquiring Chainlink in order to support memers of the world everywhere.

    But I believe that the specific transhumanism trope that Karlin has is similar to the one that I also picked up by influence from Silicon Valley(although of course, I can't speak for him), which was a kind of semi-religious culture that was widespread in technology companies, signified in part by "software will eat the world." It is from a place of genuine amazement and beauty - for me, symbolized when I personally was able to automate a process that once took two or three people into a spreadsheet program that executed it overnight, complete with its prophets like Linus and outriders in the Open Source community, its reach into the human biology with awareness of the metrics of precise measure like IQ, executive control, etc(which would spawn the nootropic concept) and with its inspiration from sources like Deus Ex which ultimately took a very gnostic, almost spiritual view of "exceeding oneself."(I linked a trailer, and the direct reference to the Renaissance of knowledge of humanity, challenging the skies, and realization through "forbidden" corpse studies is obvious). It was a culture, and at times, literally a cult - people in companies like Google worked together, took their kids to company-held day cares, and spent their weekends together; the culture and the company encompassed their entire existence.

    It was at times, a truly beautiful thing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq5KWLqUewc

    So no, I don't actually think that his transhumanism was similar to yours.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @songbird

  135. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    LOL, that wasn't me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov (not real name) with whom I used to make a podcast called ROG PR in 2017 along with pigdog, which launched the era of political podcasting in Russia. You can see the archive of those podcasts here: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussianHighlights/playlists

    Tellingly, Nesterov denounced Russian nationalism around mid-2018 and renounced his former views and friends, including myself for that matter ("HBD scum"): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1190729641193070593 He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    Here is what he produces these days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSlh5jDnXU


    They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.
     
    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @AltanBakshi

    I find your conversations with Bashibuzuk to be perhaps the most interesting ones here at this blogsite. He’s able to open you up and pull things out of your vast knowledge base that you usually keep hidden to yourself. I hope that you appreciate him being the wonderful antagonist to you that he is.

    I’ve been meaning to compliment you on the very interesting photos that you always seem to include that accompany your open threads. They’re either monochromatic ones or dark shaded color ones with a slightly dark veneer. The nourish effects are really quite good. Are you the photographer behind the lens for these great shots?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. Yes, they're all my photos from my Samsung Note phone. I don't have any techniques beyond some basic composition considerations and lighting adjustment.

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Mr. Hack

    Give freedom to others to criticise your belief! No brave man is afraid of his belief being criticised harshly! Give freedom to people to challenge your belief, to challenge your ideas, to challenge your values! Be brave enough to give freedom to people to question your most beloved believes! Don’t ever be a coward person who cannot defend his beliefs! ~ (Mehmet Murat ildan)

    This I admire about AK. In many places such discussions are simply shutdown.

  136. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily "morons" as you have initially hastily affirmed.

    Igor' Shafarevich, who has written the "Thousand years enigma", Solzhenitsin who authored "Two hundred years together " or Ron Unz who wrote several essays about the JQ were writing about similar topics as Rodzaevskyi. Perhaps the style was different, less polemical, more thoughtful, but the topic itself was similar. The reason to write was also most probably similar.

    Rodzaevskyi has escaped USSR in the late 1920ies. A time when "Great Russian Chauvinism " was a crime serious enough to end up in the Solovki camp, Antisemitic propaganda was punished by death, but anyone could say whatever negative about Russian people without any notable consequences to one's career, freedom and life. It would have been very surprising if the JQ would have "passed him by" after his young years' experience in the Soviet Union where he was in the Komsomol.

    He met Ustryalov who was to become his teacher in the University of Harbin and had a lasting impression on him. The influence of Ustryalov moved Rodzaevskyi to look into Italian Fascism, which was so fashionable at the time. Italian Fascism, Solidarism, Nationalism were then (and are to this very day) completely valid outlooks on the social organization. Ustryalov created his Nazbol doctrines on their basis, Rodzaevskyi was probably less of an academic and theoretizing type and went to actively engage into politics using Mussolini's doctrines. He did not create something specifically novel or original, but he was no idiot either.

    He paid his convictions and his political activities with his life, like Ustryalov and so many other also did. He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people's future.

    He was a honorable person, even though perhaps a somewhat mistaken one. I think that when writing about those who came and gone before us we should give credit where credit is due. Konstantin Rodzaevskyi was a honest and courageous man, may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state that subjugated their land and enslaved their people.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/konstantin-rodzaevsky-d02d7ae9-ccca-4470-9463-96229d7e6d2-resize-750.jpeg

    Мир праху и вечная память.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack, @AP

    You’re becoming quite the writer!

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Mr. Hack

    The whole twentieth century was a terrible tragedy for Russians and Eastern Slavs in general. The Jewish Question played a very sinister role in these unfortunate events. It is easy to write something moving about it. So much numan drama, passion, suffering. Broken and distorted destinies, occasional epiphanies and illuminations. Courage and cowardice, honor and betrayal.

    Anyone could write something palatable about these events. That is, if someone has the guts to swallow and digest all the black pills and follow the rabbit holes to their very end. A lot of people prefer not to dive too deep, others get stuck in that labyrinth.

    We cannot blame them.

  137. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn't make me handshakeworthy either. It could be just that I don't want to associate with wrong and useless ideas, but do continue psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn’t make me handshakeworthy either.

    DICh people do not read English speaking blogs, while professional Russian patriots agree about the DICh intelligence being “less abstract ” to state it mildly. It is not a thought crime in Russia to dwell on these issues, as long as you don’t attract the attention of Ramzan’s tough guys. If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were “Subhumans” because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?

    psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.

    Thanks goodness I do not live in US, although I have had a couple of offers to move there to work in my professional field. And I would certainly not waste my time on your psychological evolution if you did not (now wrongly) name your blog “Russian Reaction ” and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.

    BTW, why don’t you describe what being a “Russian Nationalist” means for you nowadays?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    I've wondered about where it is that you actually live. No need to reveal that because I'm not trying to dox you. I used to think that it was perhaps somewhere in the Northeast US. Now, I'd put my money on somewhere in Eastern Canada (a big place, I know). Live long and prosper! :-)

    Replies: @AP

    , @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.
     
    Objectively Putin has not been bad for the Russian people from a nationalist perspective: their state and army are much stronger, more fertile, they have taken back some Russian-populated territory, all while being more prosperous and having much better and happier lives (unlike, say North Koreans, Argentines, or others who tend to pay a price when their governments pursue militaristic or nationalistic aims). Putin's policies have led to a few thousand dead Russians in Donbas but on balance he is probably not bad from a Russian nationalist perspective.

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Dmitry, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were “Subhumans” because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?
     
    You are a liar:

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1281972653759377410

    You increasingly remind me of one-time commenter Lazy Glossophiliac, a jilted sovok who stormed out of this blog when I dissed Stalin once too many times and now obsessively reveals all kinds of fascinating details about my life that even I never knew beforehand. You seem to be just his ideological inverse.

    BTW, why don’t you describe what being a “Russian Nationalist” means for you nowadays?
     
    Getting useful things for Russians done - refer to: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524116

    Playing around with kolovrats can be left to others. https://sunlight.net/catalog/pendants_89450.html

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  138. AP says:
    @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Therefore, people who like Rodzaevskyi were strongly interested by the JQ are not necessarily "morons" as you have initially hastily affirmed.

    Igor' Shafarevich, who has written the "Thousand years enigma", Solzhenitsin who authored "Two hundred years together " or Ron Unz who wrote several essays about the JQ were writing about similar topics as Rodzaevskyi. Perhaps the style was different, less polemical, more thoughtful, but the topic itself was similar. The reason to write was also most probably similar.

    Rodzaevskyi has escaped USSR in the late 1920ies. A time when "Great Russian Chauvinism " was a crime serious enough to end up in the Solovki camp, Antisemitic propaganda was punished by death, but anyone could say whatever negative about Russian people without any notable consequences to one's career, freedom and life. It would have been very surprising if the JQ would have "passed him by" after his young years' experience in the Soviet Union where he was in the Komsomol.

    He met Ustryalov who was to become his teacher in the University of Harbin and had a lasting impression on him. The influence of Ustryalov moved Rodzaevskyi to look into Italian Fascism, which was so fashionable at the time. Italian Fascism, Solidarism, Nationalism were then (and are to this very day) completely valid outlooks on the social organization. Ustryalov created his Nazbol doctrines on their basis, Rodzaevskyi was probably less of an academic and theoretizing type and went to actively engage into politics using Mussolini's doctrines. He did not create something specifically novel or original, but he was no idiot either.

    He paid his convictions and his political activities with his life, like Ustryalov and so many other also did. He did it because he loved his homeland even in exile and acted (perhaps imperfectly, but nevertheless earnestly) to produce changes that he considered as indispensable for his people's future.

    He was a honorable person, even though perhaps a somewhat mistaken one. I think that when writing about those who came and gone before us we should give credit where credit is due. Konstantin Rodzaevskyi was a honest and courageous man, may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state that subjugated their land and enslaved their people.

    https://alchetron.com/cdn/konstantin-rodzaevsky-d02d7ae9-ccca-4470-9463-96229d7e6d2-resize-750.jpeg

    Мир праху и вечная память.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. Hack, @AP

    may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state

    I would not mention Vlasov in the same breath as, for example, Krasnov or Shkuro. The latter never took Soviet citizenship and were always enemies of the evil Bolshevik terrorists who had occupied their country. They were wrong to support an even greater evil for Russia, but likely due to having been ignorant or misguided about the extent of the evil which they served (perhaps as a result of having been blinded by their justified hatred of the Bolsheviks). May they, indeed, rest in peace. As you may know, Krasnov’s nephew helped to prevent Bolsheviks from coming to power in Chile:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Krassnoff

    Vlasov, OTOH, participated in the Civil War on the side of the Bolsheviks, thus betraying the Russian people. He was an ardent Bolshevik with a successful career, surviving the purges and achieving the highest status. The blood of millions of Russians and Ukrainians is thus partially on his hands. Only after he was captured did he betray the regime – at a time when it was clear how bad his new masters were.

    Thanks for bringing up those other guys I had not been aware of.

    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP

    People are allowed to change their views over time - especially in terms of what they believed at a younger age. Some are sincere unlike others. No proof whatsoever that Vlasov committed murder along the lines of Stalin, Beria et al. Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?

    In thought, Krasnov seems to have carried on more like a Nazi than Vlasov.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

    Stalin is responsible for far more Russian and other deaths than what Vlasov could ever be legitimately accused of.

    Replies: @AP

  139. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn’t make me handshakeworthy either.
     
    DICh people do not read English speaking blogs, while professional Russian patriots agree about the DICh intelligence being "less abstract " to state it mildly. It is not a thought crime in Russia to dwell on these issues, as long as you don't attract the attention of Ramzan's tough guys. If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were "Subhumans" because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?

    psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.
     
    Thanks goodness I do not live in US, although I have had a couple of offers to move there to work in my professional field. And I would certainly not waste my time on your psychological evolution if you did not (now wrongly) name your blog "Russian Reaction " and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a "Russian Nationalist".

    BTW, why don't you describe what being a "Russian Nationalist" means for you nowadays?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

    I’ve wondered about where it is that you actually live. No need to reveal that because I’m not trying to dox you. I used to think that it was perhaps somewhere in the Northeast US. Now, I’d put my money on somewhere in Eastern Canada (a big place, I know). Live long and prosper! 🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mr. Hack

    He himself



    mentioned living in France.

  140. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    You're becoming quite the writer!

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    The whole twentieth century was a terrible tragedy for Russians and Eastern Slavs in general. The Jewish Question played a very sinister role in these unfortunate events. It is easy to write something moving about it. So much numan drama, passion, suffering. Broken and distorted destinies, occasional epiphanies and illuminations. Courage and cowardice, honor and betrayal.

    Anyone could write something palatable about these events. That is, if someone has the guts to swallow and digest all the black pills and follow the rabbit holes to their very end. A lot of people prefer not to dive too deep, others get stuck in that labyrinth.

    We cannot blame them.

  141. AP says:
    @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn’t make me handshakeworthy either.
     
    DICh people do not read English speaking blogs, while professional Russian patriots agree about the DICh intelligence being "less abstract " to state it mildly. It is not a thought crime in Russia to dwell on these issues, as long as you don't attract the attention of Ramzan's tough guys. If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were "Subhumans" because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?

    psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.
     
    Thanks goodness I do not live in US, although I have had a couple of offers to move there to work in my professional field. And I would certainly not waste my time on your psychological evolution if you did not (now wrongly) name your blog "Russian Reaction " and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a "Russian Nationalist".

    BTW, why don't you describe what being a "Russian Nationalist" means for you nowadays?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

    and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.

    Objectively Putin has not been bad for the Russian people from a nationalist perspective: their state and army are much stronger, more fertile, they have taken back some Russian-populated territory, all while being more prosperous and having much better and happier lives (unlike, say North Koreans, Argentines, or others who tend to pay a price when their governments pursue militaristic or nationalistic aims). Putin’s policies have led to a few thousand dead Russians in Donbas but on balance he is probably not bad from a Russian nationalist perspective.

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    • LOL: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.
     
    A svido historical overview. "Ivan Grozny" was a Riurik, the Rus dynastic line, with Bogolyubsky having a legit claim to the Kiev throne against those who opposed him.

    Modern nations the world over have seen civil strife in earlier times. Making Ivan the the Fierce, Bogolyubsky and Putin the negative heavy in their disputes with others is simplistic propaganda.

    Putin has expressed sympathy with the idea of Russia and Ukraine being one, albeit with some different characteristics. Making him the heavy for the decline in Russo-Ukrainian relations is hogwash.

    , @Dmitry
    @AP

    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism (and the latter word has a developed a negative connotation as result of Lenin's theories).

    Putin is the opposite of a nationalist, but of course he is a moderate imperialist (from his own youth in the golden age of the Soviet Union).

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s. The need to stabilize the government and society is how conservatism was often understood in the 19th century (it had a connotation than in America).

    Of course, Putin is good for Russia, in a kind of way that probably ordinary Egyptians can understand that el-Sisi is good for Egypt.

    Replies: @AP

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.
     
    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today's civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century "nationalist" should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of "nationalism". I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don't know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am...

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltanBakshi, @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If Putin wanted to be an all-Rus nationalist, he should have aimed to integrate Russia (and Belarus) into the European Union in order to create a 300 million-strong Slavic bloc within the European Union.

    Replies: @Mikhail

  142. @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    I've wondered about where it is that you actually live. No need to reveal that because I'm not trying to dox you. I used to think that it was perhaps somewhere in the Northeast US. Now, I'd put my money on somewhere in Eastern Canada (a big place, I know). Live long and prosper! :-)

    Replies: @AP

    He himself

    [MORE]

    mentioned living in France.

  143. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Posting about Caucasoid IQ doesn’t make me handshakeworthy either.
     
    DICh people do not read English speaking blogs, while professional Russian patriots agree about the DICh intelligence being "less abstract " to state it mildly. It is not a thought crime in Russia to dwell on these issues, as long as you don't attract the attention of Ramzan's tough guys. If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were "Subhumans" because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?

    psychoanalyzing me from your American sofa.
     
    Thanks goodness I do not live in US, although I have had a couple of offers to move there to work in my professional field. And I would certainly not waste my time on your psychological evolution if you did not (now wrongly) name your blog "Russian Reaction " and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a "Russian Nationalist".

    BTW, why don't you describe what being a "Russian Nationalist" means for you nowadays?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @AP, @Anatoly Karlin

    If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were “Subhumans” because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?

    You are a liar:

    You increasingly remind me of one-time commenter Lazy Glossophiliac, a jilted sovok who stormed out of this blog when I dissed Stalin once too many times and now obsessively reveals all kinds of fascinating details about my life that even I never knew beforehand. You seem to be just his ideological inverse.

    BTW, why don’t you describe what being a “Russian Nationalist” means for you nowadays?

    Getting useful things for Russians done – refer to: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524116

    Playing around with kolovrats can be left to others. https://sunlight.net/catalog/pendants_89450.html

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    We can disagree and even harshly argue, without becoming bitter about it.



    Толик, вообще-то ты нормальный чувак.

    https://youtu.be/dv7ctoLSfsA

    Давай жить дружно!

    Приеду в Москву пойдём крафтового пива вместе хлопнем пару кружек. Побазарим за жизнь.

    В общем не обижайся - на обиженных воду возят...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  144. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    LOL, that wasn't me who made those videos. It was a person called Kirill Nesterov (not real name) with whom I used to make a podcast called ROG PR in 2017 along with pigdog, which launched the era of political podcasting in Russia. You can see the archive of those podcasts here: https://www.youtube.com/c/RussianHighlights/playlists

    Tellingly, Nesterov denounced Russian nationalism around mid-2018 and renounced his former views and friends, including myself for that matter ("HBD scum"): https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1190729641193070593 He was last observed agitating on the streets of Minsk against Lukashenko. Maybe you should join him there, since your views are increasingly indistinguishable anyway.

    Here is what he produces these days:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSlh5jDnXU


    They become gray and boring and loose the divine spark that made them interesting.
     
    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack, @AltanBakshi

    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.

    Couldn’t agree anymore. As out of touch with the reality as Russian émigré imperial loyalists were in the late 1940’s.

    Bashibuzuk it’s time to kill your dreams, lest you become a prisoner of your illusions. Or maybe you are content with such existence?

    Anyway it’s no good if Slavs or Han develop a strong national consciousness. Their duty and fate is to be the foundation stones for empires, they should have relatively loose framework identities which can easily accommodate and assimilate other nationalities, just look the Ukraine and Balkans and see what a strong national consciousness among Slavs does, it brings nothing else than just endless bickering and strife. There’s a good and desirable balance to be found between the nationalistic chauvinism of Europe of the past and modern progressivism which denies organic and traditional identities. Georgia is a good example, if they would be less nationalistic, their quality of life and population statistics would be much better than they are now. Nationalism is like salt, only good in moderation.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi


    if Slavs or Han develop a strong national consciousness

     

    Agree but its different I think, Han qua Han nationalism isn’t really a thing since

    1. Han subgroup differences often times greater than Han with non-Han. E.g. Canto vs. Hunan difference > Northern Chinese vs. Manchu

    2. Most Hans in core regions rarely come across distinctly non-Han Chinese

    3. Some non-Hans are simply unassimilated speakers of relic Sino-Tibetan languages that don’t have their own script, e.g. Tujia

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  145. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I find your conversations with Bashibuzuk to be perhaps the most interesting ones here at this blogsite. He's able to open you up and pull things out of your vast knowledge base that you usually keep hidden to yourself. I hope that you appreciate him being the wonderful antagonist to you that he is.

    I've been meaning to compliment you on the very interesting photos that you always seem to include that accompany your open threads. They're either monochromatic ones or dark shaded color ones with a slightly dark veneer. The nourish effects are really quite good. Are you the photographer behind the lens for these great shots?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

    Thanks. Yes, they’re all my photos from my Samsung Note phone. I don’t have any techniques beyond some basic composition considerations and lighting adjustment.

  146. Could it be argued that England is the youngest nation/culture in Europe? Anglo-Saxon tribes didn’t start invading Britain until the 5th century, and many would argue the English people and culture as they are known today didn’t exist until after the Norman invasion of 1066.

    It seems that in comparison to other European nations, the ethnogenesis of the English people and culture is relatively late.

    Although countries like Hungary and Albania seem to have a relatively late ethnogenesis too. The people who became Hungarians were basically Central Asian steppe tribes before the 9th century, and the Albanians aren’t even mentioned in historic sources until the 11th century, and the Albanian language isn’t mentioned until the 15th century. So arguably these nations/cultures are even younger than England?

    I’ve read Albanians claim descent from the Illyrians, but that seems more wishful thinking than fact, the reality is Albanians seem like originally a mixture of tribes and people that over time have eventually merged to form a cohesive ethnic identity and language. Apparently about 80% of the words in the Albanian language are loan words, which backs this theory up.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Europe Europa

    What about Spain or Portugal, both countries didn't even exist in 1066, unlike England. English are as old as most European nations, lately you have become overtly critical and revisionists towards England and it's history? What about Scotland? Their identity was still in flux in the 13th century, not yet fully Celtic Gaelic or Germanic Scottish.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

  147. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Blinky Bill

    Rodzaevsky's Last Testament of a Russian Fascist can be easily found in electronic format on the Internet and even from individual vendors online.

    Out of interest, I got a copy (electronic - no wish to splash out 6,000 rubles on a physical one, whose main value would be the shock one of having a "forbidden book" on my bookshelf) and was greatly disappointed. Just pages upon pages of ranting and venting about Jews and nothing else - I suppose there might be valuable insights, but given the obsession, I doubt it.

    If it was legal to sell it, I doubt any more people would read it. Perhaps fewer.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Blinky Bill

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Blinky Bill

    Music also is sometimes a powerful symbol, a psychological trigger that reveals deeper mind states. Even some genetic memories perhaps.

    Anyone listening to "На сопках Манчьжурии" immediately gets the feeling of the final decades of the Tsarist Russia. Someone who hears the Old Believer znamennyi chant has a glimpse of pre-Raskol Muscovy. Someone who listens to Sviridov's "Время вперёд " feels the iron pulse of Stalinist five year plans.

    That is why tsymbols are important: they are keys to open the doors of our understanding.

    https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/goldpekary/19988567/475419/475419_600.jpg

    This is a letter by her Imperial Majesty Tsaritsa Alexandra Feodorovna.



    http://att-vesti.neva.ru/J23-01.HTM

    Свастика здорового человека:

    https://operkor.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/1-d186d0b0d180d181d0bad0b0d18f-d0bcd0b0d188d0b8d0bdd0b0-d181d0be-d181d0b2d0b0d181d182d0b8d0bad0bed0b92.jpg

    https://www.eg.ru/upimg/photo/127007.jpg

    https://rg.ru/2017/04/25/rodina-vystavka-imperatritsa.html


    Правда подлинник последнего дневника Александры Федоровны, где последняя запись сделана накануне расстрела царской семьи в Екатеринбурге 17 июля 1918-го, увидеть не удастся. По словам Ларисы Роговой, оригинал дневника сейчас находится на выставке в Амстердаме. Рассмотреть его можно в оцифрованном виде на большой плазменной панели. Обложка последнего дневника императрицы тоже отсканирована. Она удивительна тем, что на ней вышита свастика. Только спустя несколько лет, когда на поличтической арене появится Адольф Гитлер, свастика приобретет отрицательный образ.
     
    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/IbGvWAbSihfwR0MrAMAWmH_6Rr-c_Tp2ki5MFx5h98-KcZ3I8p9nKOg99BUxtM_kY0e6-yjHI-CIPLSNY0zpl79eyVfMZi7QgRqHB8tncAvg7VlT-mRZOBBfHsEM-RMjug

    Old symbols have a weight of thousands of years behind them. Being cut from the symbols of one's ancestors makes for a weakened mind and life-force. But cool kids need new toys...

    🙂
  148. Good news for natural gas producers

    • Replies: @A123
    @Mitleser

    China's also has a massive appetite for Coal.

    -A- China is building coal fired electricity plants at an impressive rate: (1)


    China put 38.4 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity into operation in 2020, according to new international research, more than three times the amount built elsewhere around the world and potentially undermining its short-term climate goals.

    Including decommissions, China’s coal-fired fleet capacity rose by a net 29.8 GW in 2020, even as the rest of the world made cuts of 17.2 GW, according to research released on Wednesday by Global Energy Monitor (GEM), a U.S. think tank, and the Helsinki-based Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA).
     
    -B- U.S. mining did well for a few months meeting Coking coal demand created by the Australia-China tiff. (2)

    China had the highest gain in coal imports from the U.S. among the top destinations in the fourth quarter of 2020. The Asian country imported 1.0 Mt of coal from the U.S. during the period, a 251.8% increase year over year and a 748.2% jump quarter over quarter.

    With the unofficial ban on Australian coal in place, Chinese buyers turned to other major producers to maintain operations.

    Other countries in the region offer coking coal of good quality, but only the U.S. has comparable coking coal quality to Australia, Woolard said. “It is simpler for Chinese buyers to import U.S. coking coal than adapt their processes to accommodate different coking coal quality, hence increasing imports,”
     
    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal/chinas-new-coal-power-plant-capacity-in-2020-more-than-three-times-rest-of-worlds-study-idUKKBN2A308U?edition-redirect=uk

    (2) https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/chinas-us-coal-imports-jump-748-in-q420-amid-australian-trade-dispute/

    Replies: @sb

    , @Blinky Bill
    @Mitleser

    There will eventually be three gas pipelines running from Russia to China.

    Power of Siberia already completed, which runs through Manchuria.

    Power of Siberia Two under construction, which will run through Mongolia.

    Power of Siberia Three planned but then replaced by Power of Siberia Two Route instead. Which will eventually be built IMHO, will go through Northern Xinjiang.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSljQIRLMP0wVz3Elhe9ZB-EeOIj7LJQMSe8w&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRN_9mY_N5ZuG5ullMo2Ghk7JDRiNOaBIsOkw&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    , @Philip Owen
    @Mitleser

    Thorium.

  149. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I find your conversations with Bashibuzuk to be perhaps the most interesting ones here at this blogsite. He's able to open you up and pull things out of your vast knowledge base that you usually keep hidden to yourself. I hope that you appreciate him being the wonderful antagonist to you that he is.

    I've been meaning to compliment you on the very interesting photos that you always seem to include that accompany your open threads. They're either monochromatic ones or dark shaded color ones with a slightly dark veneer. The nourish effects are really quite good. Are you the photographer behind the lens for these great shots?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Blinky Bill

    Give freedom to others to criticise your belief! No brave man is afraid of his belief being criticised harshly! Give freedom to people to challenge your belief, to challenge your ideas, to challenge your values! Be brave enough to give freedom to people to question your most beloved believes! Don’t ever be a coward person who cannot defend his beliefs! ~ (Mehmet Murat ildan)

    This I admire about AK. In many places such discussions are simply shutdown.

  150. @Mitleser
    Good news for natural gas producers

    https://twitter.com/aeberman12/status/1371100676521140225

    Replies: @A123, @Blinky Bill, @Philip Owen

    China’s also has a massive appetite for Coal.

    -A- China is building coal fired electricity plants at an impressive rate: (1)

    China put 38.4 gigawatts (GW) of new coal-fired power capacity into operation in 2020, according to new international research, more than three times the amount built elsewhere around the world and potentially undermining its short-term climate goals.

    Including decommissions, China’s coal-fired fleet capacity rose by a net 29.8 GW in 2020, even as the rest of the world made cuts of 17.2 GW, according to research released on Wednesday by Global Energy Monitor (GEM), a U.S. think tank, and the Helsinki-based Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air (CREA).

    -B- U.S. mining did well for a few months meeting Coking coal demand created by the Australia-China tiff. (2)

    China had the highest gain in coal imports from the U.S. among the top destinations in the fourth quarter of 2020. The Asian country imported 1.0 Mt of coal from the U.S. during the period, a 251.8% increase year over year and a 748.2% jump quarter over quarter.

    With the unofficial ban on Australian coal in place, Chinese buyers turned to other major producers to maintain operations.

    Other countries in the region offer coking coal of good quality, but only the U.S. has comparable coking coal quality to Australia, Woolard said. “It is simpler for Chinese buyers to import U.S. coking coal than adapt their processes to accommodate different coking coal quality, hence increasing imports,”

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-coal/chinas-new-coal-power-plant-capacity-in-2020-more-than-three-times-rest-of-worlds-study-idUKKBN2A308U?edition-redirect=uk

    (2) https://www.hellenicshippingnews.com/chinas-us-coal-imports-jump-748-in-q420-amid-australian-trade-dispute/

    • Replies: @sb
    @A123

    I hope the decision makers in Australia note that the US sees the current difficulties in the China Australia relationship as a golden opportunity for replacing Australia's place in exports of various commodities to China

    cue music "That's what friends are for "

    Replies: @A123

  151. @Europe Europa
    Could it be argued that England is the youngest nation/culture in Europe? Anglo-Saxon tribes didn't start invading Britain until the 5th century, and many would argue the English people and culture as they are known today didn't exist until after the Norman invasion of 1066.

    It seems that in comparison to other European nations, the ethnogenesis of the English people and culture is relatively late.

    Although countries like Hungary and Albania seem to have a relatively late ethnogenesis too. The people who became Hungarians were basically Central Asian steppe tribes before the 9th century, and the Albanians aren't even mentioned in historic sources until the 11th century, and the Albanian language isn't mentioned until the 15th century. So arguably these nations/cultures are even younger than England?

    I've read Albanians claim descent from the Illyrians, but that seems more wishful thinking than fact, the reality is Albanians seem like originally a mixture of tribes and people that over time have eventually merged to form a cohesive ethnic identity and language. Apparently about 80% of the words in the Albanian language are loan words, which backs this theory up.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    What about Spain or Portugal, both countries didn’t even exist in 1066, unlike England. English are as old as most European nations, lately you have become overtly critical and revisionists towards England and it’s history? What about Scotland? Their identity was still in flux in the 13th century, not yet fully Celtic Gaelic or Germanic Scottish.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @AltanBakshi

    Not to mention France, Holy Roman Germany & Italy & the Low Countries, the various combinations of the not quite country of Scandinavia. Greece and other Ottoman territories (sorry Post Byzantine).

    On the whole, I think England and France are rather old. Burgundy, Brittany and Savoy are late arrivals in France but not very late arrivals, although Mussolini wanted Savoy. Spain and Portugal too.

    Wales was incorporated into England in 1536. GB formed in 1707 with a union with Scotland. The UK formed in 1801 when Ireland joined in. So all more or less pre Napoleon who really founded modern European nations as ideas even if Germany and Italy took their time. Germany is not complete. The East Slavs still don't know where they begin and end. Where precisely is West Russia?

    Constitutionally speaking the US is older than most of Europe, monarchies included.

  152. @Gerard.Gerard
    @sudden death


    post-Stalinist Soviet period can be viewed as somewhat tolerable just for the one reason that under our local, kind of Communist-national leader Snieckus numbers of imported Soviet colonists were somehow kept at manageable levels, in stark difference to Estonia and Latvia
     
    You know what's coming from me to that comment , so why do you do it?

    Lithuania has the smallest percentage population of russians/bel/ukr out of all the European ex USSR States........ and "coincidentally" has by far the highest suicide rate, alcoholism and depopulation rate out of all of them, and probably any other country in the world!

    You do know of course that Trump is not the first President to be impeached for Russia links in a completely joke court. Maybe Lithuanians initially electing that reasonably sane (for a baltic politician) and good guy instead of that American Nazi fugitive scumbag puppet they tried to impose on them..... was a sign that anti russian and anti Soviet attitudes of lithuanians are not reaching the levels that baltic/western apparatus brainwashing would like. I certainly have enjoyed all my trips to Lithuania.

    As for Ukraine your "logic" is the same as saying the WTC stopped those planes, instead of the pilots of those planes deliberately flying into them! Completely deranged. You take advantage of the kind, peaceful nature of Russian/Soviet people who calmly allowed the USSR to dissolve into saying they are "inciting" or other BS. Facts are they took peaceful, proportionate, moral actions to protest another western imposed, farcical failed "revolution" on them.
    Evil scum west and Banderastan launched war on them, with war being a direct condition for them to get western "help" and IMF loans ( first time IMF ever loaned to state in such disputed position)

    Replies: @sudden death

    Without denying the very existence of a serious problems, once again have to remind that high suicide rates are very similar in RF (25.1) as in Lithuania (26.1), also the alcohol consumption (RF 20.1 liters, LT 18.9) so the chain of thought associating suicides or alcoholism exclusively with lack or abundance of Soviet imported population is doubtful at least.

    2019 WHO suicide data:

    https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

    2020 alcohol data:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @sudden death

    Worldpopulationreview is a very bad source. The numbers are often incorrect to a bizarre level and that seems to be the case for the statistics on alcohol consumption. They put Afghanistan as having the world's highest alcohol consumption. Then in the top is Algeria, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan as well.

    They give a link to a source on the page but the statistics can't be found there. It's very weird, the statistics on worldpopulationreview seem to often just be made up.

  153. @Blinky Bill
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://youtu.be/Sfhp1-69Y8U

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    Music also is sometimes a powerful symbol, a psychological trigger that reveals deeper mind states. Even some genetic memories perhaps.

    Anyone listening to “На сопках Манчьжурии” immediately gets the feeling of the final decades of the Tsarist Russia. Someone who hears the Old Believer znamennyi chant has a glimpse of pre-Raskol Muscovy. Someone who listens to Sviridov’s “Время вперёд ” feels the iron pulse of Stalinist five year plans.

    That is why tsymbols are important: they are keys to open the doors of our understanding.

    This is a letter by her Imperial Majesty Tsaritsa Alexandra Feodorovna.

    [MORE]

    http://att-vesti.neva.ru/J23-01.HTM

    Свастика здорового человека:

    https://rg.ru/2017/04/25/rodina-vystavka-imperatritsa.html

    Правда подлинник последнего дневника Александры Федоровны, где последняя запись сделана накануне расстрела царской семьи в Екатеринбурге 17 июля 1918-го, увидеть не удастся. По словам Ларисы Роговой, оригинал дневника сейчас находится на выставке в Амстердаме. Рассмотреть его можно в оцифрованном виде на большой плазменной панели. Обложка последнего дневника императрицы тоже отсканирована. Она удивительна тем, что на ней вышита свастика. Только спустя несколько лет, когда на поличтической арене появится Адольф Гитлер, свастика приобретет отрицательный образ.

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/IbGvWAbSihfwR0MrAMAWmH_6Rr-c_Tp2ki5MFx5h98-KcZ3I8p9nKOg99BUxtM_kY0e6-yjHI-CIPLSNY0zpl79eyVfMZi7QgRqHB8tncAvg7VlT-mRZOBBfHsEM-RMjug

    Old symbols have a weight of thousands of years behind them. Being cut from the symbols of one’s ancestors makes for a weakened mind and life-force. But cool kids need new toys…

    🙂

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  154. @Mitleser
    Good news for natural gas producers

    https://twitter.com/aeberman12/status/1371100676521140225

    Replies: @A123, @Blinky Bill, @Philip Owen

    There will eventually be three gas pipelines running from Russia to China.

    Power of Siberia already completed, which runs through Manchuria.

    Power of Siberia Two under construction, which will run through Mongolia.

    Power of Siberia Three planned but then replaced by Power of Siberia Two Route instead. Which will eventually be built IMHO, will go through Northern Xinjiang.

    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Blinky Bill


    China is building the world's largest liquefied natural gas carrier with a capacity of 270,000 cubic meters to cope with the rising demand for the clean fuel in the nation, a top shipbuilder said on Tuesday.

    Shanghai-based Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding (Group) Co Ltd, a shipbuilding unit of China State Shipbuilding Corporation has joined hands with Norway-based internationally accredited registrar and classification society DNV-GL for construction of the carrier, company officials said during the 19th International Conference & Exhibition on Liquefied Natural Gas in Shanghai.

    Under the agreement, research and development work on the new vessel is set to be completed by the end of 2020. The two sides decided to go in for a supersized LNG carrier to account for the increasing clean fuel demand in the nation. Other reasons for using large-sized carriers was the limited number of LNG terminals in China's coastal cities, long-haul voyages and the need to transport fuel in chilled containers.
     

    https://twitter.com/Russia/status/1313090041644830720?s=20


    https://youtu.be/JiFFDJglSxE


    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5O94aMXkAUsic1.jpg
  155. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    If you do, then all you will need to do is publicly apologize as you already did when you wrote that were “Subhumans” because they did not always respect the mask-wearing recommendations. Apologizing then was no big deal, was it?
     
    You are a liar:

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1281972653759377410

    You increasingly remind me of one-time commenter Lazy Glossophiliac, a jilted sovok who stormed out of this blog when I dissed Stalin once too many times and now obsessively reveals all kinds of fascinating details about my life that even I never knew beforehand. You seem to be just his ideological inverse.

    BTW, why don’t you describe what being a “Russian Nationalist” means for you nowadays?
     
    Getting useful things for Russians done - refer to: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-144/#comment-4524116

    Playing around with kolovrats can be left to others. https://sunlight.net/catalog/pendants_89450.html

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    We can disagree and even harshly argue, without becoming bitter about it.

    [MORE]

    Толик, вообще-то ты нормальный чувак.

    Давай жить дружно!

    Приеду в Москву пойдём крафтового пива вместе хлопнем пару кружек. Побазарим за жизнь.

    В общем не обижайся – на обиженных воду возят…

    🙂

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well I'm not interested in "beef" either, but nor do I appreciate attempts to humiliate me - especially by making up things I expressly did not say. FWIW.

    I'm always happy to meet up. Feel free to drop me a note when you're in Moscow.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

  156. Some open threads ago, I got tremendous pushback from the usual quarter of reactionaries about how it would be impossible to make bicycling in Moscow a serious – or even primary – transportation alternative because muh snow, basically.

    This excuse about the weather needs a good debunking.

    A basic rule of transportation is that induced demand need to be taken seriously. Just building more highway monstrocities won’t help:

    This kind of devastation should rightfully be called a crime against humanity.

    Yet, Moscow is still among the single worst cities in the world in car congestion & delays. Building out metros is not enough. The solution lies in shifting as many of the population onto bicycles as humanly possible. It would also solve the eye cancer of people parking on the sidewalks (so prevalent in EE countries), as cars would be relegated to a distant third or fourth among the choices people can have. It’s not about asking people nicely, but to make car-usage so inconvenient and penalised so as to shift preference and behaviour. Incentives matter, after all.

    The only real constraint is political, as car cucks are the ultimate NIMBY:s here. They are the ones around who urban policy was designed for this past century and they will not let go of that privilege until you pry it from their cold, dead hands. And you should.

    • Agree: Rattus Norwegius
    • Replies: @g2k
    @Thulean Friend

    I cycle to and from places as often as possible and enjoy it greatly. I like cycling just the way it is and the one of the big positives for me, apart from the fresh air, exercise and convenience, is the lack of the kind of bs overregulation that's made diving miserable. I do appreciate cycle infrastructure where it exists, but personally, I'd prefer it to remain a niche form of transport and office plankton to continue to think it's dangerous so they don't take it up in large numbers and ruin it. If you want to cycle in Moscow, buy a bike and ride it.

  157. @Blinky Bill
    @Mitleser

    There will eventually be three gas pipelines running from Russia to China.

    Power of Siberia already completed, which runs through Manchuria.

    Power of Siberia Two under construction, which will run through Mongolia.

    Power of Siberia Three planned but then replaced by Power of Siberia Two Route instead. Which will eventually be built IMHO, will go through Northern Xinjiang.

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSljQIRLMP0wVz3Elhe9ZB-EeOIj7LJQMSe8w&usqp.jpg

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRN_9mY_N5ZuG5ullMo2Ghk7JDRiNOaBIsOkw&usqp.jpg

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    China is building the world’s largest liquefied natural gas carrier with a capacity of 270,000 cubic meters to cope with the rising demand for the clean fuel in the nation, a top shipbuilder said on Tuesday.

    Shanghai-based Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding (Group) Co Ltd, a shipbuilding unit of China State Shipbuilding Corporation has joined hands with Norway-based internationally accredited registrar and classification society DNV-GL for construction of the carrier, company officials said during the 19th International Conference & Exhibition on Liquefied Natural Gas in Shanghai.

    Under the agreement, research and development work on the new vessel is set to be completed by the end of 2020. The two sides decided to go in for a supersized LNG carrier to account for the increasing clean fuel demand in the nation. Other reasons for using large-sized carriers was the limited number of LNG terminals in China’s coastal cities, long-haul voyages and the need to transport fuel in chilled containers.

    [MORE]

  158. @sudden death
    @Gerard.Gerard

    Without denying the very existence of a serious problems, once again have to remind that high suicide rates are very similar in RF (25.1) as in Lithuania (26.1), also the alcohol consumption (RF 20.1 liters, LT 18.9) so the chain of thought associating suicides or alcoholism exclusively with lack or abundance of Soviet imported population is doubtful at least.

    2019 WHO suicide data:

    https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

    2020 alcohol data:

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/alcohol-consumption-by-country

    Replies: @Shortsword

    Worldpopulationreview is a very bad source. The numbers are often incorrect to a bizarre level and that seems to be the case for the statistics on alcohol consumption. They put Afghanistan as having the world’s highest alcohol consumption. Then in the top is Algeria, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan as well.

    They give a link to a source on the page but the statistics can’t be found there. It’s very weird, the statistics on worldpopulationreview seem to often just be made up.

  159. Science Deniers demanding masks are setting themselves up for a massive backlash.

    How much would you like to bet that the Harvard Medical School Professor was a hardcore Lefty before the Science Deniers went after his 5 year old daughter?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @A123

    I don't quite believe the claim that she had the virus. 5 year olds, have virtually no receptors for SARS2 to bind to. Females have fewer than males at any age.

    Replies: @A123

  160. @Kent Nationalist
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk, @Morton's toes, @Not Only Wrathful, @silviosilver

    Did you read the Moldbug analysis of Scott Alexander’s response to his NYTimes doxx?

    Not the whole thing. Nobody could do that. But the paragraph about how by the end of a Scott post he is in total agreement, with perhaps sometimes the most-silliest-trivial-black-swan-quibbles, with what the people in charge are telling the masses to think and believe?

    Nobody likes a complainer. The fellow who writes the main text can’t be as freewheeling as us dorks who write the comments.

  161. @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Says an ossified fossil from the 1990s.
     
    Couldn't agree anymore. As out of touch with the reality as Russian émigré imperial loyalists were in the late 1940's.

    Bashibuzuk it's time to kill your dreams, lest you become a prisoner of your illusions. Or maybe you are content with such existence?

    Anyway it's no good if Slavs or Han develop a strong national consciousness. Their duty and fate is to be the foundation stones for empires, they should have relatively loose framework identities which can easily accommodate and assimilate other nationalities, just look the Ukraine and Balkans and see what a strong national consciousness among Slavs does, it brings nothing else than just endless bickering and strife. There's a good and desirable balance to be found between the nationalistic chauvinism of Europe of the past and modern progressivism which denies organic and traditional identities. Georgia is a good example, if they would be less nationalistic, their quality of life and population statistics would be much better than they are now. Nationalism is like salt, only good in moderation.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    if Slavs or Han develop a strong national consciousness

    Agree but its different I think, Han qua Han nationalism isn’t really a thing since

    1. Han subgroup differences often times greater than Han with non-Han. E.g. Canto vs. Hunan difference > Northern Chinese vs. Manchu

    2. Most Hans in core regions rarely come across distinctly non-Han Chinese

    3. Some non-Hans are simply unassimilated speakers of relic Sino-Tibetan languages that don’t have their own script, e.g. Tujia

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There are far right Han, who hate CCP and various ethnic minorities, such creatures are a threat to Chinese state, as various petty Slavic nationalists are to the Russian state. Sadly Russian Empire is now in state of disarray, just like China was in the 20s and 30s, but the era of fragmentation will continue only as long as America is capable of projecting political and economic power in Eastern Europe, so in other words current situation is only temporary, in the end limitrophes cant overcome their geography, before or later American power will recede. Now Russia must bide it's time, and do it's best so that it will not lose its traditional imperialistic characteristics and become a nation state. Though in long run contemporary Russian weakness has been good in regards of making possible economic integration with China, ideally China should be the older brother and Russia the younger. With improving means of communication and trade, globalisation is the natural turn of the events, we must replace the Atlanticist led globalisation with the Sino-Russian led globalisation. It's my dream that such coalition would "Rule all under the heaven!" Such alliance would have less interference on local native value systems and traditions than the current dominant pseudo-religious progressive liberalist world order. Therefore it's more moral system of international relations.


    Han subgroup differences often times greater than Han with non-Han. E.g. Canto vs. Hunan difference > Northern Chinese vs. Manchu
     
    Manchus are an exceptional case, their acculturation with Han has continued centuries, after 1644 majority of Manchus has lived in Han cities. So it's not strange if they have partially lost their ethnic characteristics.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  162. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    We can disagree and even harshly argue, without becoming bitter about it.



    Толик, вообще-то ты нормальный чувак.

    https://youtu.be/dv7ctoLSfsA

    Давай жить дружно!

    Приеду в Москву пойдём крафтового пива вместе хлопнем пару кружек. Побазарим за жизнь.

    В общем не обижайся - на обиженных воду возят...

    🙂

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Well I’m not interested in “beef” either, but nor do I appreciate attempts to humiliate me – especially by making up things I expressly did not say. FWIW.

    I’m always happy to meet up. Feel free to drop me a note when you’re in Moscow.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have not attempted to humiliate you, just challenged you a bit. And I did not feel humiliated by your remarks about my émigré ossified mindset or my neo-Pagan Kolovrat LARPing.

    There are not much things that I do take seriously on "teh internets". In real life it's different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to "filter one's bazaar ".

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let's just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.

    BTW this is Прощeное Воскресенье today for all Russian Orthodox Christians. I don't think we both qualify as devout Christian types, but for what it's worth:

    https://static.apostrophe.ua/uploads/image/544586939c26d63b443f011e77798487.jpg

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

  163. I think blockchain and crypto have a future, but I am a bit coin skeptic.

    Right now it is mainly boomers and Gen x who will buy bitcoin at the low. Gen Z and younger will miss out on the appreciation.

    So why wouldn’t the younger generations just make their own crypto currency? One where they will see appreciation?

  164. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well I'm not interested in "beef" either, but nor do I appreciate attempts to humiliate me - especially by making up things I expressly did not say. FWIW.

    I'm always happy to meet up. Feel free to drop me a note when you're in Moscow.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk

    I have not attempted to humiliate you, just challenged you a bit. And I did not feel humiliated by your remarks about my émigré ossified mindset or my neo-Pagan Kolovrat LARPing.

    There are not much things that I do take seriously on “teh internets”. In real life it’s different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to “filter one’s bazaar “.

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let’s just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.

    BTW this is Прощeное Воскресенье today for all Russian Orthodox Christians. I don’t think we both qualify as devout Christian types, but for what it’s worth:

    🙂

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Bashibuzuk

    It's never too late. I met up with a friend of mine in Church today, and we agreed to forgive each other over some stupid little misunderstanding.

    Yours is a great suggestion, a great new beginning! :-)

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thanks. Just to clear things up:


    There are not much things that I do take seriously on “teh internets”. In real life it’s different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to “filter one’s bazaar “.
     
    I am not interested in "filtering my bazaar" - what a noxious phrase, as if one is talking to some double-dealing Azeri carpet seller. I would tell anybody demanding that of me to go to hell (and have).

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let’s just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.
     
    FWIW, when I say you live in an emigrant time bubble, this is not to insult you but because this describes reality in my frank opinion. This is yet another example. That is not how Russia in general works these days, and it is most certainly not how Moscow works.

    The main Nazi Gypsies (as Nesterov memorably termed them) on Twitter unsuccessfully demanding an apology from me literally consisted of:

    (1) A Russo-Ukrainian/American former Daily Stormer writer who repatriated to SPB and now runs this cringe shit: https://pravcheloveka.net/

    (2) An Armenian in France.

    (3) An obese hookah lounge owner in SPB.

    (So, out of three people, a Caucasoid who doesn't even live in Russia, and a Nazi who grew up in the US and has devoted the past few years of his life to spreading Anglin's memes about "putting women in cages" and the like to his cult of... a few dozen adolescent Twitter followers).

    They run a "Inquisition" that compiles lists of "xenos" and "heretics" in a very cringe wh40k larp which now consists of something like a 1/3 of all active nationalists on Twitter: https://twitter.com/inquisition_hq/status/1291791834432393223

    I hardly ever apologize (there are good reasons for it) and was certainly not going to start with these freaks.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Bashibuzuk

  165. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi


    if Slavs or Han develop a strong national consciousness

     

    Agree but its different I think, Han qua Han nationalism isn’t really a thing since

    1. Han subgroup differences often times greater than Han with non-Han. E.g. Canto vs. Hunan difference > Northern Chinese vs. Manchu

    2. Most Hans in core regions rarely come across distinctly non-Han Chinese

    3. Some non-Hans are simply unassimilated speakers of relic Sino-Tibetan languages that don’t have their own script, e.g. Tujia

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    There are far right Han, who hate CCP and various ethnic minorities, such creatures are a threat to Chinese state, as various petty Slavic nationalists are to the Russian state. Sadly Russian Empire is now in state of disarray, just like China was in the 20s and 30s, but the era of fragmentation will continue only as long as America is capable of projecting political and economic power in Eastern Europe, so in other words current situation is only temporary, in the end limitrophes cant overcome their geography, before or later American power will recede. Now Russia must bide it’s time, and do it’s best so that it will not lose its traditional imperialistic characteristics and become a nation state. Though in long run contemporary Russian weakness has been good in regards of making possible economic integration with China, ideally China should be the older brother and Russia the younger. With improving means of communication and trade, globalisation is the natural turn of the events, we must replace the Atlanticist led globalisation with the Sino-Russian led globalisation. It’s my dream that such coalition would “Rule all under the heaven!” Such alliance would have less interference on local native value systems and traditions than the current dominant pseudo-religious progressive liberalist world order. Therefore it’s more moral system of international relations.

    Han subgroup differences often times greater than Han with non-Han. E.g. Canto vs. Hunan difference > Northern Chinese vs. Manchu

    Manchus are an exceptional case, their acculturation with Han has continued centuries, after 1644 majority of Manchus has lived in Han cities. So it’s not strange if they have partially lost their ethnic characteristics.

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi


    Manchus are an exceptional case

     

    Manchus are the latest in waves of Inner Asian peoples to assimilate. Northern Hans tend to have kins on family tree who descended from them so don’t make a point to distinguish. Most of them are Altaic/Siberian and some Indo-Euros.

    with scripts
    Jurchen/Mongol/Khitan/Gokturk/Tanguts

    earlier in history and without scripts
    Xianbei/Five Barbarians/and many more…

    Pretty easy sell to get them to give up their feral lifestyles when the alternative is higher standard of living with cultivated learning.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  166. @AltanBakshi
    @Daniel Chieh

    Bashibuzuk is an idealist dreamer, not a pragmatist or a genuine Russian patriot. By giving respect to such scum as Vlasov, he shits on the sensibilities of majority of Russians and Rossiyane, who fought valiantly in defense of their common motherland, Commies were no good, but their plans were humane in comparison what Nazis were planning for Slavs. If he would be a Han he would probably understand Taiwanese Hanjian collaborators and traitors, even say that they fought for real China against foreign infiltration or something as stupid. There are no perfect leaders and societies are made of men, not angels, things could have gone much, much worse without Putin.

    Accepting reality as it is, and not as one would wish it to be, is a first step on a path towards wisdom.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Mikhail

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mikhail

  167. @Bashibuzuk
    @songbird


    I think a lot of Hollywood writers were born in some of these territories that changed hands.
     
    Hollywood was (((Cosmopolitan))) from its very inception. There is absolutely nothing truly American about Hollywood.

    https://variety.com/1998/film/reviews/hollywoodism-jews-movies-and-the-american-dream-1200453087/

    And yes a lot of early Hollywood moguls went directly from "Poland to playing polo" in a single generation. They were talented people, no doubt about it...

    Replies: @songbird, @for-the-record, @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    In 1940s, the great Hollywood films seem often to be from either a Central European Jewish immigrants who were acculturated in a tradition of opera (Billy Wilder, Fritz Lang, Charles Victor, Michael Curtiz, ​et al), or from an American culture with influence of the 19th century American transcendentalism, moral messages about self-reliance and frontier values. including a lot of violence (John Huston, Howard Hawks, John Ford).

    So for example, there is the very “Central European” atmosphere films Billy Wilder’s Sunset Boulevard, made from immigrants from Hungary, Austria and Germany, that grew up with the opera as the art that they tried to recreate. This is like the “sophisticated coffee drinking” Viennese Hollywood atmosphere films.

    On the other hand, there was also great Hollywood films who have a message which is mixture of protestant sermons and nature spirituality (American transcendentalism). I think John Huston films have such a brutal morality and frontier mythology, that emerged locally in the American 19th century.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Gerard-Mandela
    @Dmitry


    In 1940s, the great Hollywood films seem often to be from either a Central European Jewish immigrants who were acculturated in a tradition of opera (Billy Wilder, Fritz Lang, Charles Victor, Michael Curtiz, ​et al), or from an American culture with influence of the 19th century American transcendentalism, moral messages about self-reliance and frontier values. including a lot of violence (John Huston, Howard Hawks, John Ford).

    So for example, there is the very “Central European” atmosphere films Billy Wilder’s Sunset Boulevard, made from immigrants from Hungary, Austria and Germany, that grew up with the opera as the art that they tried to recreate. This is like the “sophisticated coffee drinking” Viennese Hollywood atmosphere films.
     
    Part of the explanation for this must be anti-communism ( why disproportionately more Hungarian or central European jews as director in place of Russians). Most of the main Hollywood film producers were Russian jewish ( ok plenty hungarian/german also), most of the famous Hollywood jewish actors were Russian Empire jew diaspora. Film scores - that clown Leonard Bernstein and Bernard Hermann were diaspora of Russian jews

    Though the actors and producers have key part in artistic path of the film , the ultimate creative decision maker is the director - and with Russian jew being a synonym for Communist for some Americans , I think any Russian jew born after 1880 would automatically be suspected of being a communist......and they couldn't allow the possibility of any communist-director propagating to Americans.
    Hungarian jews were having a very high standard of living around the switchover in 19th to 19th centuries and likely to be much less suspected of Communist ideology.
  168. @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    may he rest in peace along the likes of Ustryalov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Vlasov and many others who chose an alliance with the ennemies of the Soviet regime because they saw this as the only manner to break the totalitarian state
     
    I would not mention Vlasov in the same breath as, for example, Krasnov or Shkuro. The latter never took Soviet citizenship and were always enemies of the evil Bolshevik terrorists who had occupied their country. They were wrong to support an even greater evil for Russia, but likely due to having been ignorant or misguided about the extent of the evil which they served (perhaps as a result of having been blinded by their justified hatred of the Bolsheviks). May they, indeed, rest in peace. As you may know, Krasnov's nephew helped to prevent Bolsheviks from coming to power in Chile:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Krassnoff

    Vlasov, OTOH, participated in the Civil War on the side of the Bolsheviks, thus betraying the Russian people. He was an ardent Bolshevik with a successful career, surviving the purges and achieving the highest status. The blood of millions of Russians and Ukrainians is thus partially on his hands. Only after he was captured did he betray the regime - at a time when it was clear how bad his new masters were.

    Thanks for bringing up those other guys I had not been aware of.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    People are allowed to change their views over time – especially in terms of what they believed at a younger age. Some are sincere unlike others. No proof whatsoever that Vlasov committed murder along the lines of Stalin, Beria et al. Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?

    In thought, Krasnov seems to have carried on more like a Nazi than Vlasov.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

    Stalin is responsible for far more Russian and other deaths than what Vlasov could ever be legitimately accused of.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Mikhail


    Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?
     
    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov. But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.

    Just to be clear - you are a Vlasovite, right? Don’t be ashamed to admit it :-)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

  169. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while.
     
    I think Dmitry likes to make the point that Israel is not a first world country, but a mix of first and third world without being either one.

    I am also disinclined to agree with BB. I think Israel does not vote like a first world country - which seems like a pretty big distinction. Though, supposedly, you can drink the tapwater there - which is generally my go to definition for "first world."

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    It’s funny because your criteria for first world country is “you can drink tap water”, while I think my criteria for a civilized country is to have “modern and useable public transport”.

    Here is something from the Cold War. For you Russia will not be considered a first world country, due to the bad quality of tap water in certain cities. On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Dmitry


    On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.
     
    I honestly would like to see the whole 1st to 3rd world rubric revised. Not even to punish the lowest tier, though surely any logical system would place Sub-Saharan below a place like Malaysia. But what I'd really like to see it changed for is to punish American elites (and some in other countries), for their vanity that America's status is somehow locked-in at the top, and that it hasn't declined. The real problem with tap water is that once you have the infrastructure - the protected reservoirs and the treatment plants, it is not as good a measure of decline as public restrooms.

    IMO, it would be very beneficial, if they were forced to admit that Japan is a better place in some ways.

    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either, but what I don't like about it is that the first solution suggested would not be the necessary reforms but rather more money - probably stolen from people who don't use it. Money helps, but I think it is a more complicated problem than that. For example, it costs an enormous amount to build a new track in America - that is not a money problem but something else. And people are afraid to use the subway in some areas, for reasons other than funding.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

  170. @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.
     
    Objectively Putin has not been bad for the Russian people from a nationalist perspective: their state and army are much stronger, more fertile, they have taken back some Russian-populated territory, all while being more prosperous and having much better and happier lives (unlike, say North Koreans, Argentines, or others who tend to pay a price when their governments pursue militaristic or nationalistic aims). Putin's policies have led to a few thousand dead Russians in Donbas but on balance he is probably not bad from a Russian nationalist perspective.

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Dmitry, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    A svido historical overview. “Ivan Grozny” was a Riurik, the Rus dynastic line, with Bogolyubsky having a legit claim to the Kiev throne against those who opposed him.

    Modern nations the world over have seen civil strife in earlier times. Making Ivan the the Fierce, Bogolyubsky and Putin the negative heavy in their disputes with others is simplistic propaganda.

    Putin has expressed sympathy with the idea of Russia and Ukraine being one, albeit with some different characteristics. Making him the heavy for the decline in Russo-Ukrainian relations is hogwash.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  171. @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.
     
    Objectively Putin has not been bad for the Russian people from a nationalist perspective: their state and army are much stronger, more fertile, they have taken back some Russian-populated territory, all while being more prosperous and having much better and happier lives (unlike, say North Koreans, Argentines, or others who tend to pay a price when their governments pursue militaristic or nationalistic aims). Putin's policies have led to a few thousand dead Russians in Donbas but on balance he is probably not bad from a Russian nationalist perspective.

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Dmitry, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ

    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism (and the latter word has a developed a negative connotation as result of Lenin’s theories).

    Putin is the opposite of a nationalist, but of course he is a moderate imperialist (from his own youth in the golden age of the Soviet Union).

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s. The need to stabilize the government and society is how conservatism was often understood in the 19th century (it had a connotation than in America).

    Of course, Putin is good for Russia, in a kind of way that probably ordinary Egyptians can understand that el-Sisi is good for Egypt.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Dmitry


    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism
     
    I didn’t write that Putin was himself a nationalist; rather, there is much about his rule that a nationalist would approve of.

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s
     
    Well said, I agree with this. He is in essence a “conservative” of the post-Soviet bandit regime, an agent of its stabilization and consolidation. For this process to work, benefits ought to trickle down to the regular people to a large degree, and they certainly have done so.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin

  172. @Kent Nationalist
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk, @Morton's toes, @Not Only Wrathful, @silviosilver

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Is there any Nazi today who likes white people today as they actually are?

    When you realise not, you will see why white people despise Nazis the most of any group in the world.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Biggest major Holocaust denying demographic in the US are young Latino males. Castizo futurism shows us the way!

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1170020045247983616

    Replies: @MacRead, @Not Only Wrathful, @Coconuts, @Mr. XYZ

  173. @Not Only Wrathful
    @Kent Nationalist


    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.
     
    Is there any Nazi today who likes white people today as they actually are?

    When you realise not, you will see why white people despise Nazis the most of any group in the world.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Biggest major Holocaust denying demographic in the US are young Latino males. Castizo futurism shows us the way!

    • Replies: @MacRead
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Correct. The irony being that historically white southerners have been the least resentful of jews, much less so than NE WASPs in the 18th and 19th centuries. White ethnics and blacks certainly no better either. I'm not quite sure why Hispanics have a more acute antisemitics impluse.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    , @Not Only Wrathful
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Absolutely. Jews tend to be as clueless. Imagine thinking that Britain is uniquely anti-Semitic when the greatest imperial prime-minister was a guy called Disraeli.

    I prefer Palmerston, but close enough...

    , @Coconuts
    @Anatoly Karlin

    There used to be a surprising number of Spanish admirers of the Fuhrer as well. In that case the tendency seemed to be for Holocaust narratives to be ignored on the basis that they were propaganda myths created by Communists, Free Masons or Anglos to blacken the name of a great European statesman. I never remember Jews themselves being mentioned that much, which was interesting.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    What makes Hispanics such big Holocaust deniers? What exactly have Jews ever actually done to them?

    Replies: @Shortsword, @A123, @EldnahYm

  174. AP says:
    @Mikhail
    @AP

    People are allowed to change their views over time - especially in terms of what they believed at a younger age. Some are sincere unlike others. No proof whatsoever that Vlasov committed murder along the lines of Stalin, Beria et al. Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?

    In thought, Krasnov seems to have carried on more like a Nazi than Vlasov.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

    Stalin is responsible for far more Russian and other deaths than what Vlasov could ever be legitimately accused of.

    Replies: @AP

    Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?

    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov. But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.

    Just to be clear – you are a Vlasovite, right? Don’t be ashamed to admit it 🙂

    • Troll: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov
     
    I was aware of the role played by Tukhatchevskyi in putting down the Tambov uprising. I did not know about Zhukov.
    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov.
     
    Did he actually have much of a choice in the matter? Would martyrdom have been better for him?
    , @Mikhail
    @AP


    But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.
     
    Vlasov was nominally allied with the Nazis. He clearly had different aims than the Nazis as noted by a key Nazi who publicly rebuked him. Regardless, Vlasov wasn't responsible for as many Russian deaths as Stalin.

    Offhand, the OUN/UPA might've killed more Ukrainians than the ROA/POA killed Russians.

  175. @Mikhail
    @AltanBakshi

    No.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/14/czech-russian-relations-and-the-roa-conflicting-historical-narratives/

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    • Agree: AP
    • Disagree: Mikhail
    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @AltanBakshi


    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic
     
    More like a couple of months. Not that I disagree with them only being opportunistic.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi


    Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.
     
    ROA people betrayed the Soviet State, they did not betray Russian people. The Soviet State was not the state of Russian people.

    The only wrong thing ROA people and other anti-Soviet fighters did was not fighting to the bitter end. They paid it dearly though.

    However, even in the camps they rebelled at the first occasion, sometimes joining forces with the Ukrainian nationalists.

    Now, I am far from saying that Red Army soldiers of which my grandfather was one of the officers in the artillery, while his brother was in the tanks, did not do the right thing. One of my grandfather's relatives was with the NKVD, another was with the Banderites and got only killed in 1948.

    Families were divided. Both sides were partly right in their convictions. The second world War in Russia was in many aspects the follow up to the Civil War. As I always write, if there was no October Revolution, there would probably be no Hitler's rise to power and no Operation Barbarossa.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    , @Mikhail
    @AltanBakshi


    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.
     
    For much of the war, the Vlasov commanded army under Nazi auspices did little fighting. The Nazis weren't united on what to do with them. Some viewed them as a danger in their desire to oust Stalin for the purpose of having a stronger Russia.

    The ROA/POA motivation to fight the Nazis was three fold. They didn't like the way they were treated in conjunction with seeing how WW II was about to end and their sympathy for the Czechs and some others fighting the Nazis.

    The ROA/POA don't have anywhere near the negative baggage as the Ustasha, OUN/UPA and some others. Towards the end of the war, there as talk of Vlasov's army linking up with Mihailovic's anti-Communist Chetniks.
  176. @AltanBakshi
    @Mikhail

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mikhail

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic

    More like a couple of months. Not that I disagree with them only being opportunistic.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Shortsword


    More like a couple of months.
     
    As soldiers of ROA, yes, but Germans used Russian "volunteers" or Hiwis massively already in 1942. Most soldiers of ROA probably had a background as a Hiwi helping the Wehrmacht long before the establishment of separate Russian army under Germany.

    These are complicated questions, it's well known fact that all Soviet PoW's were traitors in the eyes of the Stalin, so many of the Vlasovites were just unlucky victims of circumstances, but OTOH many others continued resistance as PoW's, sabotaged German war efforts, or tried to escape and join partisans.

  177. @Shortsword
    @AltanBakshi


    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic
     
    More like a couple of months. Not that I disagree with them only being opportunistic.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    More like a couple of months.

    As soldiers of ROA, yes, but Germans used Russian “volunteers” or Hiwis massively already in 1942. Most soldiers of ROA probably had a background as a Hiwi helping the Wehrmacht long before the establishment of separate Russian army under Germany.

    These are complicated questions, it’s well known fact that all Soviet PoW’s were traitors in the eyes of the Stalin, so many of the Vlasovites were just unlucky victims of circumstances, but OTOH many others continued resistance as PoW’s, sabotaged German war efforts, or tried to escape and join partisans.

  178. AP says:
    @Dmitry
    @AP

    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism (and the latter word has a developed a negative connotation as result of Lenin's theories).

    Putin is the opposite of a nationalist, but of course he is a moderate imperialist (from his own youth in the golden age of the Soviet Union).

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s. The need to stabilize the government and society is how conservatism was often understood in the 19th century (it had a connotation than in America).

    Of course, Putin is good for Russia, in a kind of way that probably ordinary Egyptians can understand that el-Sisi is good for Egypt.

    Replies: @AP

    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism

    I didn’t write that Putin was himself a nationalist; rather, there is much about his rule that a nationalist would approve of.

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s

    Well said, I agree with this. He is in essence a “conservative” of the post-Soviet bandit regime, an agent of its stabilization and consolidation. For this process to work, benefits ought to trickle down to the regular people to a large degree, and they certainly have done so.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @AP

    I dislike the "New Russians," they are scum, not any better, or maybe even worse than common thieves, but I have understood that you are a traditionalist and an admirer of the feudal Europe of the past. Isn't it a fact that medieval nobles had their origins in thieving and marauding warlords of the Migration Era? All those noble families were originally petty chieftains who had sensibilities of a Mafioso, they illegally crossed the Roman frontier and made mockery of Roman laws and established the system of strongest, but in the end they got refined and delicate, why such development could not be repeated with the Russian oligarch class? At least they are under the control of state, unlike their Ukrainian peers, therefore it's easier to rein them for the welfare of state and community.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Putin is not an explicit nationalist himself.

    However, his most often quoted philosopher is Ivan Ilyin. Second: Berdyaev. So he is clearly, at a minimum, much less "sovok" than the average post-sovok bureaucrat.

    Nationalist-in-all-but-name governors have been able to govern and implement de facto nationalist programs under his regime, e.g. https://acer120.livejournal.com/175345.html (Tver was doing pretty well when I visited in 2019: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/tver-2019/)

    I am more interested in results than optics, so I don't feel the need to counter-signal what's clearly becoming a better deal with every year.

    To some extent, I suppose there might even be an ironic parallel with Brezhnev, in whose later years a "Russian Party" within the CPSU became quite influential (before being dismantled under Andropov). Ironic because the usual parallels made between Putin and Brezhnev are not the flattering kind.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  179. @SafeNow
    @A123

    That’s a funny “worst president ever” concept, thanks. But I would consider awarding the trophy to Lincoln. He harvested 750,000 (the new estimate) lives, over a problem that existed in 7% of US households, and had maybe two decades left before it was totally gone in the Western world. And resentments lingered, and in fact still linger.

    Replies: @AndrewR, @MacRead

    The “7%” problem was enough for seven states to secede before Lincoln even took the oath of office. Secession is great in theory but leads to war in almost any polity. Fire-eating southerners put Lincoln in a much tougher spot than you lead on.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @MacRead


    Fire-eating southerners put Lincoln in a much tougher spot than you lead on.
     
    There was only one Union death at Fort Sumter, and it was accidental, due to a salute. And they should not have been there to start, anyway.
  180. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Biggest major Holocaust denying demographic in the US are young Latino males. Castizo futurism shows us the way!

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1170020045247983616

    Replies: @MacRead, @Not Only Wrathful, @Coconuts, @Mr. XYZ

    Correct. The irony being that historically white southerners have been the least resentful of jews, much less so than NE WASPs in the 18th and 19th centuries. White ethnics and blacks certainly no better either. I’m not quite sure why Hispanics have a more acute antisemitics impluse.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @MacRead

    Perhaps a substantially lower percentage of US Hispanic men attended college than nonHispanic whites and asians. That means much less opportunity for concentrated indoctrination.

  181. @AP
    @Dmitry


    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism
     
    I didn’t write that Putin was himself a nationalist; rather, there is much about his rule that a nationalist would approve of.

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s
     
    Well said, I agree with this. He is in essence a “conservative” of the post-Soviet bandit regime, an agent of its stabilization and consolidation. For this process to work, benefits ought to trickle down to the regular people to a large degree, and they certainly have done so.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin

    I dislike the “New Russians,” they are scum, not any better, or maybe even worse than common thieves, but I have understood that you are a traditionalist and an admirer of the feudal Europe of the past. Isn’t it a fact that medieval nobles had their origins in thieving and marauding warlords of the Migration Era? All those noble families were originally petty chieftains who had sensibilities of a Mafioso, they illegally crossed the Roman frontier and made mockery of Roman laws and established the system of strongest, but in the end they got refined and delicate, why such development could not be repeated with the Russian oligarch class? At least they are under the control of state, unlike their Ukrainian peers, therefore it’s easier to rein them for the welfare of state and community.

  182. @AP
    @Dmitry


    I think you people are confusing completely nationalism and imperialism
     
    I didn’t write that Putin was himself a nationalist; rather, there is much about his rule that a nationalist would approve of.

    His main ideological position is a post-revolutionary conservatism, after stabilizing among the position in the elite that was created in the 1990s
     
    Well said, I agree with this. He is in essence a “conservative” of the post-Soviet bandit regime, an agent of its stabilization and consolidation. For this process to work, benefits ought to trickle down to the regular people to a large degree, and they certainly have done so.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Anatoly Karlin

    Putin is not an explicit nationalist himself.

    However, his most often quoted philosopher is Ivan Ilyin. Second: Berdyaev. So he is clearly, at a minimum, much less “sovok” than the average post-sovok bureaucrat.

    Nationalist-in-all-but-name governors have been able to govern and implement de facto nationalist programs under his regime, e.g. https://acer120.livejournal.com/175345.html (Tver was doing pretty well when I visited in 2019: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/tver-2019/)

    I am more interested in results than optics, so I don’t feel the need to counter-signal what’s clearly becoming a better deal with every year.

    To some extent, I suppose there might even be an ironic parallel with Brezhnev, in whose later years a “Russian Party” within the CPSU became quite influential (before being dismantled under Andropov). Ironic because the usual parallels made between Putin and Brezhnev are not the flattering kind.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Brezhnev was not stupid and he was a more capable leader than people usually believe.

    A big weakness of the Soviet system was that a leader usually needed three to five years to stabilize his rule (and he obviously avoided any major policy changes during that period), because he was nominally only a bureaucrat (“general secretary” or “first secretary”) and not even a real political leader. Shortly after Brezhnev stabilized his rule (it took him pretty long, because he started out as the most junior member of the Politburo), he had a stroke, after which he lost his capacity to work, and he was just healthy enough to keep his power and outmaneuver potential rivals (another weakness of the Soviet system was that the party leader had no fixed terms and could be removed any time, creating the need to constantly scheme to avoid being replaced, leaving no energy to actually govern), but this didn’t leave much energy to actually engage in far reaching policy changes.

    Also, arguably it was very difficult to reform the Soviet economy, when Gorbachev tried it in 1987 (after some very limited political reforms), he caused a severe economic crisis (and couldn’t undo the changes and the resulting erosion of the central control over the economy), and this was the biggest reason he drifted towards further political reform (which then destroyed the USSR altogether).

  183. @Dmitry
    @songbird

    It's funny because your criteria for first world country is "you can drink tap water", while I think my criteria for a civilized country is to have "modern and useable public transport".

    Here is something from the Cold War. For you Russia will not be considered a first world country, due to the bad quality of tap water in certain cities. On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.

    Replies: @songbird

    On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.

    I honestly would like to see the whole 1st to 3rd world rubric revised. Not even to punish the lowest tier, though surely any logical system would place Sub-Saharan below a place like Malaysia. But what I’d really like to see it changed for is to punish American elites (and some in other countries), for their vanity that America’s status is somehow locked-in at the top, and that it hasn’t declined. The real problem with tap water is that once you have the infrastructure – the protected reservoirs and the treatment plants, it is not as good a measure of decline as public restrooms.

    IMO, it would be very beneficial, if they were forced to admit that Japan is a better place in some ways.

    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either, but what I don’t like about it is that the first solution suggested would not be the necessary reforms but rather more money – probably stolen from people who don’t use it. Money helps, but I think it is a more complicated problem than that. For example, it costs an enormous amount to build a new track in America – that is not a money problem but something else. And people are afraid to use the subway in some areas, for reasons other than funding.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either ... it is a more complicated problem
     
    Trying to score Transportation is highly subjective. For example, Europe keeps petrol prices artificially high (1)

    • 1.774 / L -- France
    • 1.694 / L -- Germany

    • 0.822 / L -- USA (∆)
    • 0.647 / L -- Russia

    Forcing people onto Mass Transit (a pandemic spreading vector) may yield a high Transportation score. However, it is actually reflection of authoritarianism brutally penalizing personal vehicle use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

    (∆) This average includes costly, exotic blends for California. The typical U.S. consumer will pay less.

    Replies: @songbird, @Anatoly Karlin, @RadicalCenter

    , @Dmitry
    @songbird


    measure of decline as public restrooms.
     
    I think the public toilet level is dependent on cultural idiosyncrasies of the country.

    It's quite bad in Russia, but they seem to me even worse in Southern European countries like Spain (which can be leading everyone in some development indicators like life expectancy)


    American elite ... admit that Japan is a better place in some ways.

     

    Most people anywhere would say that Japan is a more developed country than USA, but that's not saying anything significant (as Japan is the world's leading country for crime rates, life expectancy, civil engineering projects, etc).

    But America itself is an especially confusing country to assess because of its unusual culture and spending patterns.

    If you watching YouTube, you can be shocked by the wealth shown in the interiors of American peoples' houses.

    On the other hand, tourists walking in central Los Angeles, can be shocked in an opposite direction, by the low level of public investment in the country, and the homeless people rolling on the pavement.

    Overall, I think tourists will usually underestimate how wealthy America is. A lot of wealth in America is inaccessible to public, and hidden inside peoples' luxury houses, in suburbs which are only accessible by car.

    I feel like a lot of America's wealth is wasted by hiding it, while in golden ages of places like Venice or Seville, the national wealth was planted in the centre of the cities and the wider public could enjoy or at least see the investments every time they walk in the city squares. In this sense, it becomes a dual investment, that is also contributing to the public sphere.

    Historically, the European cultures could also waste a lot of investments on palaces. But at least in countries like Italy these could be often viewable, or aesthetically contributing for, publicly accessible spaces.


    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either
     
    When it reverses, it can also indicate where a country is collapsing.

    For example, reading the Wikipedia article "Rail transport in Lebanon", which says that trains do not exist in Lebanon since 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Lebanon

    So there does not exist even anymore "rail transport in Lebanon", but there is an article of Wikipedia about its historical existence.

    There is also a similar thing with the "Rail transport in Venezuala", saying "80% of public transportation is not operational" - but guess at least they still have 20% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Venezuela


    it costs an enormous amount to build a new track in America – that is not a money problem but something else. And people are afraid to use the subway in some areas, for reasons other than funding.
     
    Since sometime in the 20th century, Americans also have the opposite of the Potemkin village culture. They seem to prefer more something like the anti-Potemkin village, where they like boasting to the world (including even at the government media level) about how dysfunctional their country is.

    Whereas in Europe a lot of the public investment is partly motivated by trying to impress the rival nationalities. Why do English build St Pancras to be so much more stylish, clean and modern than other train stations in the United Kingdom? It's because it is the first impression of London that the French are seeing, so they clean it constantly, hired the best designers, etc.

  184. • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    @Shortsword

    “And by ‘we’, I mean your children.”

  185. @MacRead
    @SafeNow

    The "7%" problem was enough for seven states to secede before Lincoln even took the oath of office. Secession is great in theory but leads to war in almost any polity. Fire-eating southerners put Lincoln in a much tougher spot than you lead on.

    Replies: @songbird

    Fire-eating southerners put Lincoln in a much tougher spot than you lead on.

    There was only one Union death at Fort Sumter, and it was accidental, due to a salute. And they should not have been there to start, anyway.

  186. I’ve heard that in South Africa, the maps in school books are messed up. Countries names are misspelled, and sometimes the names are switched, like they will label Greenland, “Iceland.”

    I find that really shocking. First, you think there would be some free open-license map that they would find on the internet. Secondly, even if the books are old, and they copied a map, you think they would at least get the names right. Have someone check it.

    Only country in Africa with a nuclear power plant – I think still. I hope the ones Putin is selling have top of the line automation and safety built-in.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @songbird



    I’ve heard that in South Africa, the maps in school books are messed up. Countries names are misspelled, and sometimes the names are switched, like they will label Greenland, “Iceland.”

    I find that really shocking. First, you think there would be some free open-license map that they would find on the internet. Secondly, even if the books are old, and they copied a map, you think they would at least get the names right. Have someone check it.

     

    You've heard that. Okay. As dysfunctional as South Africa is I doubt they keep using school books with obvious errors like that.

    Replies: @songbird

  187. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Biggest major Holocaust denying demographic in the US are young Latino males. Castizo futurism shows us the way!

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1170020045247983616

    Replies: @MacRead, @Not Only Wrathful, @Coconuts, @Mr. XYZ

    Absolutely. Jews tend to be as clueless. Imagine thinking that Britain is uniquely anti-Semitic when the greatest imperial prime-minister was a guy called Disraeli.

    I prefer Palmerston, but close enough…

  188. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.
     
    I honestly would like to see the whole 1st to 3rd world rubric revised. Not even to punish the lowest tier, though surely any logical system would place Sub-Saharan below a place like Malaysia. But what I'd really like to see it changed for is to punish American elites (and some in other countries), for their vanity that America's status is somehow locked-in at the top, and that it hasn't declined. The real problem with tap water is that once you have the infrastructure - the protected reservoirs and the treatment plants, it is not as good a measure of decline as public restrooms.

    IMO, it would be very beneficial, if they were forced to admit that Japan is a better place in some ways.

    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either, but what I don't like about it is that the first solution suggested would not be the necessary reforms but rather more money - probably stolen from people who don't use it. Money helps, but I think it is a more complicated problem than that. For example, it costs an enormous amount to build a new track in America - that is not a money problem but something else. And people are afraid to use the subway in some areas, for reasons other than funding.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either … it is a more complicated problem

    Trying to score Transportation is highly subjective. For example, Europe keeps petrol prices artificially high (1)

    • 1.774 / L — France
    • 1.694 / L — Germany

    • 0.822 / L — USA (∆)
    • 0.647 / L — Russia

    Forcing people onto Mass Transit (a pandemic spreading vector) may yield a high Transportation score. However, it is actually reflection of authoritarianism brutally penalizing personal vehicle use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

    (∆) This average includes costly, exotic blends for California. The typical U.S. consumer will pay less.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123


    • 0.647 / L — Russia
     
    Yikes, considering wages!

    And a lot of European roads aren't nearly as good as they are said to be - very few roads with breakdown lanes or even significant shoulders.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @A123

    You and Thulean need to fight.

    , @RadicalCenter
    @A123

    Normal human life is a “pandemic (sic)-spreading vector.” Live it anyway.

  189. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?
     
    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov. But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.

    Just to be clear - you are a Vlasovite, right? Don’t be ashamed to admit it :-)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov

    I was aware of the role played by Tukhatchevskyi in putting down the Tambov uprising. I did not know about Zhukov.

  190. @AltanBakshi
    @Mikhail

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mikhail

    Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    ROA people betrayed the Soviet State, they did not betray Russian people. The Soviet State was not the state of Russian people.

    The only wrong thing ROA people and other anti-Soviet fighters did was not fighting to the bitter end. They paid it dearly though.

    However, even in the camps they rebelled at the first occasion, sometimes joining forces with the Ukrainian nationalists.

    Now, I am far from saying that Red Army soldiers of which my grandfather was one of the officers in the artillery, while his brother was in the tanks, did not do the right thing. One of my grandfather’s relatives was with the NKVD, another was with the Banderites and got only killed in 1948.

    Families were divided. Both sides were partly right in their convictions. The second world War in Russia was in many aspects the follow up to the Civil War. As I always write, if there was no October Revolution, there would probably be no Hitler’s rise to power and no Operation Barbarossa.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    ROA people betrayed the Soviet State, they did not betray Russian people. The Soviet State was not the state of Russian people.
     
    A serious case of false equivalency, Soviet Russia was infinitely more the state of Russian people than Germany led by Adolf Hitler!

    My father's father's father died fighting against the Red Army. Thanks to the Soviets my paternal grandpa grew up without father, but my mother's mother's father was an officer of NKVD.

    My last war veteran relative, my grandmother's uncle, died in previous year, he was 101 years old, I partially blame the covid hystery, his retirement home didn't allow any visitors and his mental and physical health started to decay quickly under the lockdown. I'm proud that most of my ancestors have been in a war, you know in real wars, unlike American veterans with their heavy air support etc.. Or Swedes with their over two centuries of peace, in such circumstances beings start to believe that Samsara is a nice place, that one can find a true peace and happiness from it, longer the time of peace - heavier the fall and pain after it ends... and all things will end, it's their nature after all...

    Replies: @AP

  191. @A123
    @songbird


    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either ... it is a more complicated problem
     
    Trying to score Transportation is highly subjective. For example, Europe keeps petrol prices artificially high (1)

    • 1.774 / L -- France
    • 1.694 / L -- Germany

    • 0.822 / L -- USA (∆)
    • 0.647 / L -- Russia

    Forcing people onto Mass Transit (a pandemic spreading vector) may yield a high Transportation score. However, it is actually reflection of authoritarianism brutally penalizing personal vehicle use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

    (∆) This average includes costly, exotic blends for California. The typical U.S. consumer will pay less.

    Replies: @songbird, @Anatoly Karlin, @RadicalCenter

    • 0.647 / L — Russia

    Yikes, considering wages!

    And a lot of European roads aren’t nearly as good as they are said to be – very few roads with breakdown lanes or even significant shoulders.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @songbird


    Yikes, considering wages!
     
    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!

    Replies: @songbird

  192. @A123
    @songbird


    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either ... it is a more complicated problem
     
    Trying to score Transportation is highly subjective. For example, Europe keeps petrol prices artificially high (1)

    • 1.774 / L -- France
    • 1.694 / L -- Germany

    • 0.822 / L -- USA (∆)
    • 0.647 / L -- Russia

    Forcing people onto Mass Transit (a pandemic spreading vector) may yield a high Transportation score. However, it is actually reflection of authoritarianism brutally penalizing personal vehicle use.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/gasoline_prices/

    (∆) This average includes costly, exotic blends for California. The typical U.S. consumer will pay less.

    Replies: @songbird, @Anatoly Karlin, @RadicalCenter

    You and Thulean need to fight.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • LOL: A123
  193. @songbird
    I've heard that in South Africa, the maps in school books are messed up. Countries names are misspelled, and sometimes the names are switched, like they will label Greenland, "Iceland."

    I find that really shocking. First, you think there would be some free open-license map that they would find on the internet. Secondly, even if the books are old, and they copied a map, you think they would at least get the names right. Have someone check it.

    Only country in Africa with a nuclear power plant - I think still. I hope the ones Putin is selling have top of the line automation and safety built-in.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    I’ve heard that in South Africa, the maps in school books are messed up. Countries names are misspelled, and sometimes the names are switched, like they will label Greenland, “Iceland.”

    I find that really shocking. First, you think there would be some free open-license map that they would find on the internet. Secondly, even if the books are old, and they copied a map, you think they would at least get the names right. Have someone check it.

    You’ve heard that. Okay. As dysfunctional as South Africa is I doubt they keep using school books with obvious errors like that.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Shortsword

    I heard it in the formula "My daughter's textbook..." I should add that I also heard that the math problems that have answers in the back, sometimes have the wrong answers.

    Call me gullible, but I believe it. Textbooks are a big racket in the US, and I can't perceive how it would be different in what seems to obviously be a more corrupt country, that has a far lower average IQ.

    The possible implication here is that we should be looking at more than just PISA results. That, in some places, the textbooks themselves might contain clues to societal IQ. Probably, one could even perceive a decline in the US by looking at more recent textbooks. Or the assigned reading - would be easy to rate vocab.

    Replies: @Shortsword

  194. @Anatoly Karlin
    @anyone with a brain

    There was less Asabiyyah in Ukraine than in the US.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Anyone with a brain, @Mr. XYZ

    And Ukraine managed to keep over 90+% of its territory under its rule. The only reason that it failed to keep Crimea and the Donbass was due to (either direct, as in Crimea, or covert, as in the Donbass) Russian military intervention. Just who exactly other than the Chinese is actually going to be powerful enough to militarily intervene in a Second American Civil War? And would even the Chinese actually bother doing this?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    If several states declare independence after, say, a new Constitutional convention in response to a federal arms ban, then you won't need foreign interventionists, assuming state National Guardsmen side with separatist lawmakers. Though they will certainly "spice things up" once it gets going.

    My guess in this highly hypothetical scenario is that Russia will provide propaganda support and possibly covert military support to the separatists. For its part, China may support the Chapo/leftist elements within the USG, who could try to pull off their own coup in the event of regime setbacks.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  195. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Not Only Wrathful

    Biggest major Holocaust denying demographic in the US are young Latino males. Castizo futurism shows us the way!

    https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1170020045247983616

    Replies: @MacRead, @Not Only Wrathful, @Coconuts, @Mr. XYZ

    There used to be a surprising number of Spanish admirers of the Fuhrer as well. In that case the tendency seemed to be for Holocaust narratives to be ignored on the basis that they were propaganda myths created by Communists, Free Masons or Anglos to blacken the name of a great European statesman. I never remember Jews themselves being mentioned that much, which was interesting.

  196. @Anatoly Karlin
    @sudden death

    I'm sure a hypothetical American Civil War II will see plenty of foreign adventurers too. Probably the largest such contingent in world history.

    Replies: @sudden death, @Mr. XYZ

    These foreign adventurers would need to be backed up with some extremely powerful foreign military muscle, though. Other than the Chinese, just which countries are actually militarily stronger than the US–either now or in the future?

    What MASSIVELY helped the Donbass separatists avoid a quick and early defeat in August 2014 was the fact that Russia has 3-4 times as many people as Ukraine has and also 6+ times as much military muscle as Ukraine has.

    Even Igor Girkin (“Strelkov”) himself said in an interview that the Donbass would have likely ended up like Kharkiv or Odessa if not for him and his gang of merry men.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Mr. XYZ


    Even Igor Girkin (“Strelkov”) himself said in an interview that the Donbass would have likely ended up like Kharkiv or Odessa if not for him and his gang of merry men.
     
    I was all for Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, but now sadly, in hindsight, I must acknowledge that in the longer run it would have been better for Russia if Donbass would have ended up like Kharkov or Odessa(thanks for using the Russian form btw). Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine and there would be fewer sanctions against Russia, in the end Girkin did a huge disservice for Russia. Or so it seems at the present moment, who knows what's the situation in five years?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  197. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?
     
    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov. But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.

    Just to be clear - you are a Vlasovite, right? Don’t be ashamed to admit it :-)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov.

    Did he actually have much of a choice in the matter? Would martyrdom have been better for him?

  198. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And Ukraine managed to keep over 90+% of its territory under its rule. The only reason that it failed to keep Crimea and the Donbass was due to (either direct, as in Crimea, or covert, as in the Donbass) Russian military intervention. Just who exactly other than the Chinese is actually going to be powerful enough to militarily intervene in a Second American Civil War? And would even the Chinese actually bother doing this?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    If several states declare independence after, say, a new Constitutional convention in response to a federal arms ban, then you won’t need foreign interventionists, assuming state National Guardsmen side with separatist lawmakers. Though they will certainly “spice things up” once it gets going.

    My guess in this highly hypothetical scenario is that Russia will provide propaganda support and possibly covert military support to the separatists. For its part, China may support the Chapo/leftist elements within the USG, who could try to pull off their own coup in the event of regime setbacks.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    The Confederacy was well-armed in the early 1860s, but this didn't prevent the Union from defeating and conquering them--albeit after a long war. What exactly makes you think that a 21st century U.S. separatist rebellion would be any more successful than the Confederacy's attempt was? If anything, the Union would have a lot of supporters in blue urban areas within deep red territories this time around since most minorities in the U.S. vote for the Democrats nowadays--and there are much more of them now than in the 1860s, and they are also much more assertive nowadays in comparison to the enslaved and largely illiterate blacks in the Confederacy in the 1860s.

    You could say "Minorities would make poor soldiers! They're duller than MAGA Trumpists on average!" Well, maybe, but the Taliban are almost certainly likewise duller than U.S. troops are, and yet the U.S. has failed to decisively defeat the Taliban in spite of trying very hard to do this for the last 20 years!

  199. @Shortsword
    @songbird



    I’ve heard that in South Africa, the maps in school books are messed up. Countries names are misspelled, and sometimes the names are switched, like they will label Greenland, “Iceland.”

    I find that really shocking. First, you think there would be some free open-license map that they would find on the internet. Secondly, even if the books are old, and they copied a map, you think they would at least get the names right. Have someone check it.

     

    You've heard that. Okay. As dysfunctional as South Africa is I doubt they keep using school books with obvious errors like that.

    Replies: @songbird

    I heard it in the formula “My daughter’s textbook…” I should add that I also heard that the math problems that have answers in the back, sometimes have the wrong answers.

    Call me gullible, but I believe it. Textbooks are a big racket in the US, and I can’t perceive how it would be different in what seems to obviously be a more corrupt country, that has a far lower average IQ.

    The possible implication here is that we should be looking at more than just PISA results. That, in some places, the textbooks themselves might contain clues to societal IQ. Probably, one could even perceive a decline in the US by looking at more recent textbooks. Or the assigned reading – would be easy to rate vocab.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @songbird



    I heard it in the formula “My daughter’s textbook…” I should add that I also heard that the math problems that have answers in the back, sometimes have the wrong answers.
     
    That type of error is pretty common in university textbooks in the West. They usually get fixed for the next print. I don't doubt that such issues are even worse in South Africa. But I do doubt that they go years and years without fixing school books that have maps with mislabeled countries.
  200. @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi


    Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.
     
    ROA people betrayed the Soviet State, they did not betray Russian people. The Soviet State was not the state of Russian people.

    The only wrong thing ROA people and other anti-Soviet fighters did was not fighting to the bitter end. They paid it dearly though.

    However, even in the camps they rebelled at the first occasion, sometimes joining forces with the Ukrainian nationalists.

    Now, I am far from saying that Red Army soldiers of which my grandfather was one of the officers in the artillery, while his brother was in the tanks, did not do the right thing. One of my grandfather's relatives was with the NKVD, another was with the Banderites and got only killed in 1948.

    Families were divided. Both sides were partly right in their convictions. The second world War in Russia was in many aspects the follow up to the Civil War. As I always write, if there was no October Revolution, there would probably be no Hitler's rise to power and no Operation Barbarossa.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    ROA people betrayed the Soviet State, they did not betray Russian people. The Soviet State was not the state of Russian people.

    A serious case of false equivalency, Soviet Russia was infinitely more the state of Russian people than Germany led by Adolf Hitler!

    [MORE]

    My father’s father’s father died fighting against the Red Army. Thanks to the Soviets my paternal grandpa grew up without father, but my mother’s mother’s father was an officer of NKVD.

    My last war veteran relative, my grandmother’s uncle, died in previous year, he was 101 years old, I partially blame the covid hystery, his retirement home didn’t allow any visitors and his mental and physical health started to decay quickly under the lockdown. I’m proud that most of my ancestors have been in a war, you know in real wars, unlike American veterans with their heavy air support etc.. Or Swedes with their over two centuries of peace, in such circumstances beings start to believe that Samsara is a nice place, that one can find a true peace and happiness from it, longer the time of peace – heavier the fall and pain after it ends… and all things will end, it’s their nature after all…

    • Replies: @AP
    @AltanBakshi

    Your maternal ancestors were better than your paternal ones (but I don't blame you for defending both, it's the decent thing to do, as it's your family).



    Neither of my grandfathers fought in World War II; one was a student, the other was a bit too old, he ran a large enterprise. Fighting-age brothers of my grandparents were officers in the Polish army in the case of Galicians, and Red Army (this one died during the war while retaking Crimea). An Austrian-born cousin was an officer in the Wehrmacht, spent the war as a translator, hanging out in Lviv with his local relatives.

  201. @songbird
    @A123


    • 0.647 / L — Russia
     
    Yikes, considering wages!

    And a lot of European roads aren't nearly as good as they are said to be - very few roads with breakdown lanes or even significant shoulders.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    Yikes, considering wages!

    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!

    • Replies: @songbird
    @AltanBakshi

    I don't doubt that the Russian price is fair. It just seems like it would take a bite out of the average person with a car. My impression is that car costs in Russia are high - didn't they pioneer using car cams for insurance purposes?


    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!
     
    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from, even if I think he should delay his plans to drop every car into a crusher, until he has driven the USA from coast-to-coast, utilizing a combustion engine with at least 6 cylinders.

    Replies: @A123, @AltanBakshi

  202. @songbird
    @Shortsword

    I heard it in the formula "My daughter's textbook..." I should add that I also heard that the math problems that have answers in the back, sometimes have the wrong answers.

    Call me gullible, but I believe it. Textbooks are a big racket in the US, and I can't perceive how it would be different in what seems to obviously be a more corrupt country, that has a far lower average IQ.

    The possible implication here is that we should be looking at more than just PISA results. That, in some places, the textbooks themselves might contain clues to societal IQ. Probably, one could even perceive a decline in the US by looking at more recent textbooks. Or the assigned reading - would be easy to rate vocab.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    I heard it in the formula “My daughter’s textbook…” I should add that I also heard that the math problems that have answers in the back, sometimes have the wrong answers.

    That type of error is pretty common in university textbooks in the West. They usually get fixed for the next print. I don’t doubt that such issues are even worse in South Africa. But I do doubt that they go years and years without fixing school books that have maps with mislabeled countries.

  203. @Mitleser
    Good news for natural gas producers

    https://twitter.com/aeberman12/status/1371100676521140225

    Replies: @A123, @Blinky Bill, @Philip Owen

    Thorium.

  204. @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    These foreign adventurers would need to be backed up with some extremely powerful foreign military muscle, though. Other than the Chinese, just which countries are actually militarily stronger than the US--either now or in the future?

    What MASSIVELY helped the Donbass separatists avoid a quick and early defeat in August 2014 was the fact that Russia has 3-4 times as many people as Ukraine has and also 6+ times as much military muscle as Ukraine has.

    Even Igor Girkin ("Strelkov") himself said in an interview that the Donbass would have likely ended up like Kharkiv or Odessa if not for him and his gang of merry men.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    Even Igor Girkin (“Strelkov”) himself said in an interview that the Donbass would have likely ended up like Kharkiv or Odessa if not for him and his gang of merry men.

    I was all for Russia’s military intervention in Ukraine, but now sadly, in hindsight, I must acknowledge that in the longer run it would have been better for Russia if Donbass would have ended up like Kharkov or Odessa(thanks for using the Russian form btw). Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine and there would be fewer sanctions against Russia, in the end Girkin did a huge disservice for Russia. Or so it seems at the present moment, who knows what’s the situation in five years?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi

    I believe in the principle that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Strelkov did absolutely nothing wrong.


    Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine...
     
    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.

    Replies: @AP, @AltanBakshi, @AP

  205. @AltanBakshi
    @Mr. XYZ


    Even Igor Girkin (“Strelkov”) himself said in an interview that the Donbass would have likely ended up like Kharkiv or Odessa if not for him and his gang of merry men.
     
    I was all for Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, but now sadly, in hindsight, I must acknowledge that in the longer run it would have been better for Russia if Donbass would have ended up like Kharkov or Odessa(thanks for using the Russian form btw). Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine and there would be fewer sanctions against Russia, in the end Girkin did a huge disservice for Russia. Or so it seems at the present moment, who knows what's the situation in five years?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I believe in the principle that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Strelkov did absolutely nothing wrong.

    Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine…

    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.

    • Replies: @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    "Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine…"

    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.
     
    With ~45% rather than ~30% support they could still cause a lot of trouble for Ukrainian interests in Ukraine. It would be tempting for someone to cut a deal with such a large bloc. Thank God they have been removed, with Russian help.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ

    , @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It's better to have two healthy birds in the bush than to have one bird full of diseases in one's hand.

    Donbass was a tactical victory, but a strategic defeat for the Russia, it would've been too hard for fragile and young state of Ukraine to repress such volatile area as Donbass.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants. Even Mariupol was lost! Nothing of value was gained, just endless money sink of rump-Donbass but at least Neocons got their greatest post cold war victory. Oh well I'm always an optimist, now we must push the poison pill of Donbass to Ukraine, then we can look things from a new perspective! Ukraine's feeble immune system cant digest such a wonderful treat. Then it's time to chop, chop and chop!

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Russia doesn’t benefit from a cordial/”brotherly” but separate relationship with Ukraine
     
    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU. Ukraine was heading in that direction. Prior to 2013 even Galicia was about 60% positive towards Russia as a country, it was pro-West but it's beef was mostly with Donbas/Yanukovich.

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both
     
    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.

    Ideally Ukraine will integrate with its western neighbors and this entity will be friendly with and maybe even allied with Russia; France has been allied with Germany after World War II after all.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ

  206. @Europe Europa
    @Kent Nationalist

    I suspect a lot of it is the official WW2 narrative is absolutely sacred in Russia and a part of their culture almost, and I believe much of what has become official WW2 history is the work of Russian historians.

    My impression is that to question WW2 history in a way that would make the Germans appear better than the official narrative portrays them is almost taboo in Russia and frankly a treacherous act.

    Whereas in the UK people don't care about WW2 so much, contrary to popular belief. One wouldn't be considered a traitor in Britain for questioning the Holocaust, an anti-Semite yes but that's another matter.

    Replies: @Coconuts

    Whereas in the UK people don’t care about WW2 so much, contrary to popular belief. One wouldn’t be considered a traitor in Britain for questioning the Holocaust, an anti-Semite yes but that’s another matter.

    I get the impression that the European aspects of WW2 are really receding in perceived importance lately, because basically there weren’t enough blacks, or second best, South Asians, involved in it. There are even some indications, though mainly from the US so far, of Woke attempts to displace the Holocaust as the cornerstone of 20th century history because it is too white people focused. Discussion of it therefore reproduces white supremacy.

  207. @AltanBakshi
    @Europe Europa

    What about Spain or Portugal, both countries didn't even exist in 1066, unlike England. English are as old as most European nations, lately you have become overtly critical and revisionists towards England and it's history? What about Scotland? Their identity was still in flux in the 13th century, not yet fully Celtic Gaelic or Germanic Scottish.

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    Not to mention France, Holy Roman Germany & Italy & the Low Countries, the various combinations of the not quite country of Scandinavia. Greece and other Ottoman territories (sorry Post Byzantine).

    On the whole, I think England and France are rather old. Burgundy, Brittany and Savoy are late arrivals in France but not very late arrivals, although Mussolini wanted Savoy. Spain and Portugal too.

    Wales was incorporated into England in 1536. GB formed in 1707 with a union with Scotland. The UK formed in 1801 when Ireland joined in. So all more or less pre Napoleon who really founded modern European nations as ideas even if Germany and Italy took their time. Germany is not complete. The East Slavs still don’t know where they begin and end. Where precisely is West Russia?

    Constitutionally speaking the US is older than most of Europe, monarchies included.

  208. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi

    I believe in the principle that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Strelkov did absolutely nothing wrong.


    Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine...
     
    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.

    Replies: @AP, @AltanBakshi, @AP

    “Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine…”

    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.

    With ~45% rather than ~30% support they could still cause a lot of trouble for Ukrainian interests in Ukraine. It would be tempting for someone to cut a deal with such a large bloc. Thank God they have been removed, with Russian help.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Russia doesn't benefit from a cordial/"brotherly" but separate relationship with Ukraine - it's basically asking to it to finance Ukraine's eventual integration into the West with no clear benefit for itself (what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?).

    Either there should be a real political union, to recreate an All-Russian would without the Soviet carapace and enjoy the attendant economies of scale. (Russia on its own will find it modestly harder to expand into space and launch AGI without Ukraine and Belarus - the only things that matter in the long run; in Ukraine's case, it will be flat out out impossible).

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    Just what exactly would the terms of such a deal have actually been, though? Because after their attempt to monopolize power in the Yanukovych years, I think that the pro-Western parties in Ukraine strongly distrusted the pro-Russian parties in Ukraine and were thus unwilling to actually work with them.

  209. @A123
    Science Deniers demanding masks are setting themselves up for a massive backlash.

    How much would you like to bet that the Harvard Medical School Professor was a hardcore Lefty before the Science Deniers went after his 5 year old daughter?

    PEACE 😇

    https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/1370913604011130884?s=20

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    I don’t quite believe the claim that she had the virus. 5 year olds, have virtually no receptors for SARS2 to bind to. Females have fewer than males at any age.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @A123
    @Philip Owen

    Her father is a Harvard Medical Professor. While most children are never tested, odds are his daughter was exposed to the vampires medical technicians at Harvard Medical Center. Research centers are known for over enthusiastic robust & comprehensive sample collection on matters of interest, such as any patient (staff, visitors, janitors, tourists, valets, landscaping crews, random nearby homeless, etc.) exhibiting potential WUHAN-19 symptoms.

    To me, the scenario seems highly plausible based on the unique situation of the father & daughter.

    PEACE 😇

  210. @AltanBakshi
    @songbird


    Yikes, considering wages!
     
    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!

    Replies: @songbird

    I don’t doubt that the Russian price is fair. It just seems like it would take a bite out of the average person with a car. My impression is that car costs in Russia are high – didn’t they pioneer using car cams for insurance purposes?

    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!

    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from, even if I think he should delay his plans to drop every car into a crusher, until he has driven the USA from coast-to-coast, utilizing a combustion engine with at least 6 cylinders.

    • Replies: @A123
    @songbird


    driven the USA from coast-to-coast, utilizing a combustion engine with at least 6 cylinders.
     
    I have driven Hertz rental trucks coast-to-coast (over 2,000 mi.) more than once. It takes a little forward negotiation to lock-in a diesel. While "not cheap" it is quite cost effective as an option.

    FYI: Albuquerque is dangerous. With NO warning, you can find stopped traffic around blind, down hill interstate turns.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @songbird

    , @AltanBakshi
    @songbird

    Yes cars are surprisingly expensive in Russia, because of import tariffs I think? I'm not sure but I believe that Russia is trying to protect local car industry with them, but who wants to drive with Lada? Except Lada Niva, they are trash. Still it's a strategic investment to have a local auto industry, so to have such policy is quite understandable.


    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from

     

    Someone here said that TF is Hindu, is that true TF? It would be a pleasant surprise to have you in Dharmic gang.

    Replies: @Mitleser

  211. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    ROA people betrayed the Soviet State, they did not betray Russian people. The Soviet State was not the state of Russian people.
     
    A serious case of false equivalency, Soviet Russia was infinitely more the state of Russian people than Germany led by Adolf Hitler!

    My father's father's father died fighting against the Red Army. Thanks to the Soviets my paternal grandpa grew up without father, but my mother's mother's father was an officer of NKVD.

    My last war veteran relative, my grandmother's uncle, died in previous year, he was 101 years old, I partially blame the covid hystery, his retirement home didn't allow any visitors and his mental and physical health started to decay quickly under the lockdown. I'm proud that most of my ancestors have been in a war, you know in real wars, unlike American veterans with their heavy air support etc.. Or Swedes with their over two centuries of peace, in such circumstances beings start to believe that Samsara is a nice place, that one can find a true peace and happiness from it, longer the time of peace - heavier the fall and pain after it ends... and all things will end, it's their nature after all...

    Replies: @AP

    Your maternal ancestors were better than your paternal ones (but I don’t blame you for defending both, it’s the decent thing to do, as it’s your family).

    [MORE]

    Neither of my grandfathers fought in World War II; one was a student, the other was a bit too old, he ran a large enterprise. Fighting-age brothers of my grandparents were officers in the Polish army in the case of Galicians, and Red Army (this one died during the war while retaking Crimea). An Austrian-born cousin was an officer in the Wehrmacht, spent the war as a translator, hanging out in Lviv with his local relatives.

  212. @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.
     
    Objectively Putin has not been bad for the Russian people from a nationalist perspective: their state and army are much stronger, more fertile, they have taken back some Russian-populated territory, all while being more prosperous and having much better and happier lives (unlike, say North Koreans, Argentines, or others who tend to pay a price when their governments pursue militaristic or nationalistic aims). Putin's policies have led to a few thousand dead Russians in Donbas but on balance he is probably not bad from a Russian nationalist perspective.

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Dmitry, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.

    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today’s civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century “nationalist” should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don’t know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am…

    🙂

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa, silviosilver
    • Replies: @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century “nationalist” should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.
     

    We disagree on certain details (a union between a smaller group and a much-larger group with a tendency for centralization will be unstable, and unhappy for the smaller party), but I agree with your overall approach ad strongly respect your goals.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level.
     
    Correct. I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor "cultural" differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.

    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because "brother nations" also happen to hate each other the most ("narcissism of small differences"). You can't wish it away.

    The Irish tribes were much closer to each other when the English came to colonize Ireland. They still sold each other out and stabbed each other out, because they hated their own more than the interloper.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver, @Bies Podkrakowski, @AP

    , @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    Your maternal ancestors were better than your paternal ones (but I don’t blame you for defending both, it’s the decent thing to do, as it’s your family).
     
    You confuse me, so my relative who was in NKVD was the good guy in your opinion, and those who fought the Red Army were bad guys? Weren't you an Ukrainian nationalist of Galician origins just some time ago?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AP

    , @silviosilver
    @Bashibuzuk


    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century “nationalist” should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?
     
    I have said many times on this site that I am "not a nationalist." However, that certainly doesn't mean that I am a "one-worlder" or a "humanist" or that I am unconcerned about how closely related I am to other humans (or groups of humans). On the contrary, this is a question I am extremely concerned with, and it's precisely the sort of considerations you have outlined above that I mull over in trying to reach a satisfactory answer.

    My shorthand term for this project is "racialism," because even though racial likeness, in and of itself, is by no means sufficient for me to feel close to someone, it's nevertheless indispensable to true feelings of closeness. I also like it because it clearly and unambiguously distinguishes my leanings from mainstream conservatism - in which race is not supposed to count at all - despite my sharing many concerns with mainstream conservatives.

    On the other hand, I'm not all together comfortable with "racialism," because I feel it brings me uncomfortably close to Nazi types, who obsess over race far more intensely than I do. For instance, they tend towards eliminating as many people from racial inclusion as is feasible, whereas I tend towards including as many people as is feasible (ie while still retaining a basic racial likeness). They tend to be racial purists (extremely concerned over even microscopic, visually undetectable bits of alien racial ancestry), whereas I prefer a "ball park," close-enough-is-good-enough kind of standard. They are "micro-racialists"; I am a "macro-racialist."

    Probably the most important distinction between these two views of racialism is that the Nazi types tend to feel just as negatively towards people who fail to make the racial grade for inclusion by a small degree as they do towards people who fail to make the grade by a vast degree. (Eg Sicilian or Nigerian, to them it's all the same worthless shit.) In contrast, I feel much more positively towards people who differ from me only slightly than I do towards people who differ from me greatly. (Eg an Arab or a Turk, I may not always see them as racially close enough to me, but it's much more the cultural difference I take exception to than the racial difference; with a Nigerian, I don't even bother considering the cultural differences because the racial difference is already off-putting enough.)

    When it comes to neighboring nations, who share vast amounts of racial and cultural similarities with me, there's no question at all that I prefer to find reasons to feel close to them than to find reasons to distance myself from them or to hate them.

    , @silviosilver
    @Bashibuzuk

    I agree with you that what we think of today as "nations" are of a fairly recent vintage, and that much of their self-conception has been deliberately manufactured. In this, I follow Victor Roudometoff's outline of this process:


    The fundamental logic of these [nationalist] narratives entails the following steps:

    1. A “quest for origins” according to which the researcher's task is to trace the
    beginnings of a people as far back in history as possible;

    2. The construction of continuity among the different historical periods, thereby
    showing the preservation of a “people's” culture, tradition, and mentality;

    3. The identification of periods of glory and decline, including moral judgments
    regarding the actions of other collectivities vis-à-vis the nation; and

    4. The quest for meaning and purpose, the identification of a destiny revealed in the
    progression of history, or what might be called a semi-Hegelian interpretation of
    history.
     
    I think it would be instructive for us if AK were to indicate which, if any, of these steps his own Russian nationalism incorporates. But since you already asked him to define what Russian nationalism means to him and he preferred to dodge it with a cheap debating point, I doubt we'll get an answer, so we'll just have to speculate.

    (1) I doubt he has any deep-seated interest in any origins project, unless it can be used to prove that Russians are older than Ukrainians and that the latter are thus "fake and gay."

    (2) I doubt he has any interest in proving that there is something unique or real about "the Russian soul," and that it has remained essentially unchanged throughout history, though I think he would - however reluctantly - feel it's important to establish some kind of continuity in Russian identity throughout the ages, to deny that Russians ever have or ever could have seen themselves as anything but Russians, because otherwise it would open the door to Belarusians or Ukrainians defining themselves out of Russianness.

    (3) He does seem keen to identify "historical enemies" - Latvians figure prominently here - and to nurse grudges against them.

    (4) He doesn't seem at all interested in using history to establish what it means to be Russian, to define a Russian "national life purpose," or anything of this sort, which he probably - and if so, correctly - sees as veering into fascism.

    Overall, he seems to be more of a state nationalist than an ethnic nationalist. That is, he is interested in justifying Russia's hold on its present territories as well as its former territories, as well as in reincorporating those former territories into Russia, regardless of whether those territories contain self-identified Russians or not. Any views he advances on Russian nationality or Russian ethnicity or Russian culture can be expected to be colored by, or shaped by, this state expansionist imperative.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

  213. @AltanBakshi
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    There are far right Han, who hate CCP and various ethnic minorities, such creatures are a threat to Chinese state, as various petty Slavic nationalists are to the Russian state. Sadly Russian Empire is now in state of disarray, just like China was in the 20s and 30s, but the era of fragmentation will continue only as long as America is capable of projecting political and economic power in Eastern Europe, so in other words current situation is only temporary, in the end limitrophes cant overcome their geography, before or later American power will recede. Now Russia must bide it's time, and do it's best so that it will not lose its traditional imperialistic characteristics and become a nation state. Though in long run contemporary Russian weakness has been good in regards of making possible economic integration with China, ideally China should be the older brother and Russia the younger. With improving means of communication and trade, globalisation is the natural turn of the events, we must replace the Atlanticist led globalisation with the Sino-Russian led globalisation. It's my dream that such coalition would "Rule all under the heaven!" Such alliance would have less interference on local native value systems and traditions than the current dominant pseudo-religious progressive liberalist world order. Therefore it's more moral system of international relations.


    Han subgroup differences often times greater than Han with non-Han. E.g. Canto vs. Hunan difference > Northern Chinese vs. Manchu
     
    Manchus are an exceptional case, their acculturation with Han has continued centuries, after 1644 majority of Manchus has lived in Han cities. So it's not strange if they have partially lost their ethnic characteristics.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Manchus are an exceptional case

    Manchus are the latest in waves of Inner Asian peoples to assimilate. Northern Hans tend to have kins on family tree who descended from them so don’t make a point to distinguish. Most of them are Altaic/Siberian and some Indo-Euros.

    with scripts
    Jurchen/Mongol/Khitan/Gokturk/Tanguts

    earlier in history and without scripts
    Xianbei/Five Barbarians/and many more…

    Pretty easy sell to get them to give up their feral lifestyles when the alternative is higher standard of living with cultivated learning.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Manchus are the latest in waves of Inner Asian peoples to assimilate. Northern Hans tend to have kins on family tree who descended from them so don’t make a point to distinguish. Most of them are Altaic/Siberian and some Indo-Euros.

    with scripts
    Jurchen/Mongol/Khitan/Gokturk/Tanguts
     

    Oh boy, where should I start! Jürchens are Manchus, so you made an artificial distinction between them for some curious and puzzling reason? Mongols were never assimilated by the Han, I as a man of Mongol heritage can say this to you. Mongol and Han intermarriage was prohibited by Qing laws. Khitans were expelled, by the Jürchens from China and now they are mostly extinct, though the small ethnic group of Daurs is probably their descendant. Göktürks were also not assimilated by the Han, their closest living relatives are the modern day Tuvans, Kazakhs and Uyghurs. Tanguts were mostly exterminated by the Mongols, survivors were probably assimilated by Amdo Tibetans.

    Only Manchus were assimilated in your list of peoples, and I have one Manchu friend, though he doesn't make noise about his Manchu ethnicity, it's clear to me after all these years of friendship that he is silently very proud about it, but I think that hundreds of years of living as a minority amidst the ocean of Han has made them wise and cunning about these matters. Most Han who claim Manchu heritage do not really have Manchu blood, but Han Bannermen blood instead.


    Xianbei/Five Barbarians
     
    Xianbei are direct ancestors of Mongols, haven't seen Han Gers or yurts yet, yup Five Barbarians were assimilated by the Han.

    Pretty easy sell to get them to give up their feral lifestyles when the alternative is higher standard of living with cultivated learning.
     
    In the eyes of great Qing emperors like Qianlong and Kangxi Han were degenerate, especially the southerners, Han are not degenerate on my opinion, but Northern Han are superior and should be in control, like Xi Jinping! Sad that vast majority of Han in the West are southerners, their cuisine is inferior. Anyway there was no assimilation of nomads north of the Great wall, don't know why you need to make up these fairytales about the past. "Cultivated learning?" Confucian Mongol or Turkic scholar-officials? What have you been smoking? Only cultivated learning North of wall was Tibetan learning, not Han. The divide between agricultural and sedentary folks of plains (Han) and the nomads of steppes was not primarily because of cultural reasons, or because nomads lacked refinement and culture, but because of the harsh nature of steppes, where wheat and rice do not grow. No Han state could ever control steppes, though temporarily Tang did, but their dynasty was partially or fully of steppe origin, only steppe invader dynasties like Jin, Yuan and Qing could control the steppes more or less permanently. All those invader dynasties tried to keep their ethnic ruling elite separate from Han.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  214. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    "Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine…"

    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.
     
    With ~45% rather than ~30% support they could still cause a lot of trouble for Ukrainian interests in Ukraine. It would be tempting for someone to cut a deal with such a large bloc. Thank God they have been removed, with Russian help.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ

    Russia doesn’t benefit from a cordial/”brotherly” but separate relationship with Ukraine – it’s basically asking to it to finance Ukraine’s eventual integration into the West with no clear benefit for itself (what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?).

    Either there should be a real political union, to recreate an All-Russian would without the Soviet carapace and enjoy the attendant economies of scale. (Russia on its own will find it modestly harder to expand into space and launch AGI without Ukraine and Belarus – the only things that matter in the long run; in Ukraine’s case, it will be flat out out impossible).

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin


    what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?
     
    Where does this number come from? Russia's annual gas exports has been in range of $20B to $65B over the last two decades. Ukraine getting subsidies adding up to $200B means they must've taken a massive chunk of this.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard-Mandela

  215. @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.
     
    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today's civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century "nationalist" should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of "nationalism". I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don't know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am...

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltanBakshi, @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century “nationalist” should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    We disagree on certain details (a union between a smaller group and a much-larger group with a tendency for centralization will be unstable, and unhappy for the smaller party), but I agree with your overall approach ad strongly respect your goals.

  216. @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.
     
    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today's civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century "nationalist" should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of "nationalism". I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don't know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am...

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltanBakshi, @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level.

    Correct. I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor “cultural” differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.

    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because “brother nations” also happen to hate each other the most (“narcissism of small differences”). You can’t wish it away.

    The Irish tribes were much closer to each other when the English came to colonize Ireland. They still sold each other out and stabbed each other out, because they hated their own more than the interloper.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree with what you wrote. But we must also keep in mind that populations mainly do what their elites entice or order them to do. A lot or Russians have Polish or PLC roots, this is my case on one side of my family : Orthodox Poles or Ruthenians, hard to say nowadays, it was probably the same thing backbin the 18 century.

    When left alone among Russians, the Poles usually integrate in a few generations. Same about Russians among Poles. This is what I call compatible ethnic groups. In the future, when the elites will perhaps become increasingly more globalizing and anti-national, we might be left with only this type of compatibility to rebuild ethnic ensembles : who are our clan and kin? Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor “cultural” differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.
     
    Poles are considerably less homophobic than Russians are, though.
    , @silviosilver
    @Anatoly Karlin


    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because “brother nations” also happen to hate each other the most (“narcissism of small differences”). You can’t wish it away.
     
    The "narcissism of small differences" is nice-sounding but ultimately fatuous. When people of these nations encounter each other in diaspora communities, the differences don't change, but the behavior of these people towards each other often does. Typically, they are far friendlier to each other than would be predicted by the narcissism of small differences hypothesis.

    I am not even talking about a cucky 'anti-racist' types either; I have seen plenty of examples of hardcore Serbian and Albanian nationalists preferring to befriend each other than to befriend, I don't know, whatever else is on offer. How could this happen if they were under the sway of the narcissism of small differences? It seems to me that these small differences are brining these people closer rather than pushing them apart.

    Of course, back in the home countries, these people really do hate each other, and would probably prefer to beat each other up than befriend each other. But I think the reason for that has more to do with the fact that their nations, by being located next to each other for so long, have had more opportunities to war on and mistreat each other, and to pass on the bad blood for generation after generation, than it has to do with any presumed "narcissism."


    You can’t wish it away.
     
    Sadly, you can't. But just as sadly, nationalists are wont to characterize any steps to heal old wounds or to bridge divides as naive attempts to "wish away" ancient hatreds, doomed to fail, as all impossible tasks are. Personally, I find it hard to escape the impression that nationalists simply aren't interested in ending ancient hatreds; they prefer to nurse them and even revel in them.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @Bies Podkrakowski
    @Anatoly Karlin


    I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor “cultural” differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.
     
    Is this a reference to a fabled and long promised relation from polish trip? I was afraid we are not going to see it this side of Singularity.
    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Correct. I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor “cultural” differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside
     
    I had a similar, powerful impression when I visited Poland from Russia. I went to the famous cathedral in Krakow, the people going there and praying (particularly the grandmothers, but not only them) were identical to ones I saw in Moscow’s monasteries and churches. Same soul, different external manifestations.
  217. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Russia doesn't benefit from a cordial/"brotherly" but separate relationship with Ukraine - it's basically asking to it to finance Ukraine's eventual integration into the West with no clear benefit for itself (what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?).

    Either there should be a real political union, to recreate an All-Russian would without the Soviet carapace and enjoy the attendant economies of scale. (Russia on its own will find it modestly harder to expand into space and launch AGI without Ukraine and Belarus - the only things that matter in the long run; in Ukraine's case, it will be flat out out impossible).

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?

    Where does this number come from? Russia’s annual gas exports has been in range of $20B to $65B over the last two decades. Ukraine getting subsidies adding up to $200B means they must’ve taken a massive chunk of this.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Shortsword

    This is the number cited by Alexey Pushkov. He could be off. But it was a lot either way.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    , @Gerard-Mandela
    @Shortsword

    Ukraine is (or at least was) a major gas consumer for industrial and personal use. We have been exporting gas to them in great volumes ( a significant percentage of our western + Turkey exports) for the last 20-30 years.

    If you compare this volume of natural gas delivered to them, with the paying rates offered to Poland/Baltics and ( though not as high) to Germany, then this 200 billion dollar subsidy quote makes perfect sense. Ukrop has been 1/6th to 1/7th of our export market previously, similar thing with Belarus

  218. @AltanBakshi
    @Mikhail

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Bashibuzuk, @Mikhail

    For years Vlasovites used their arms in behalf of the Nazi Germany, and only rose in revolt when German cause was utterly and decisively lost, their defection was purely opportunistic, 5th of may, 1945, they changed side only three days before the complete surrender of Wehrmacht! Why not one or two months before? Like rats they thought that they would get better terms of surrender if they would once again betray their masters.

    For much of the war, the Vlasov commanded army under Nazi auspices did little fighting. The Nazis weren’t united on what to do with them. Some viewed them as a danger in their desire to oust Stalin for the purpose of having a stronger Russia.

    The ROA/POA motivation to fight the Nazis was three fold. They didn’t like the way they were treated in conjunction with seeing how WW II was about to end and their sympathy for the Czechs and some others fighting the Nazis.

    The ROA/POA don’t have anywhere near the negative baggage as the Ustasha, OUN/UPA and some others. Towards the end of the war, there as talk of Vlasov’s army linking up with Mihailovic’s anti-Communist Chetniks.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  219. @songbird
    @Dmitry


    On the other hand, for me, America never feels quite like a first world, civilized, country, due to the low quality of public transport in certain cities.
     
    I honestly would like to see the whole 1st to 3rd world rubric revised. Not even to punish the lowest tier, though surely any logical system would place Sub-Saharan below a place like Malaysia. But what I'd really like to see it changed for is to punish American elites (and some in other countries), for their vanity that America's status is somehow locked-in at the top, and that it hasn't declined. The real problem with tap water is that once you have the infrastructure - the protected reservoirs and the treatment plants, it is not as good a measure of decline as public restrooms.

    IMO, it would be very beneficial, if they were forced to admit that Japan is a better place in some ways.

    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either, but what I don't like about it is that the first solution suggested would not be the necessary reforms but rather more money - probably stolen from people who don't use it. Money helps, but I think it is a more complicated problem than that. For example, it costs an enormous amount to build a new track in America - that is not a money problem but something else. And people are afraid to use the subway in some areas, for reasons other than funding.

    Replies: @A123, @Dmitry

    measure of decline as public restrooms.

    I think the public toilet level is dependent on cultural idiosyncrasies of the country.

    It’s quite bad in Russia, but they seem to me even worse in Southern European countries like Spain (which can be leading everyone in some development indicators like life expectancy)

    American elite … admit that Japan is a better place in some ways.

    Most people anywhere would say that Japan is a more developed country than USA, but that’s not saying anything significant (as Japan is the world’s leading country for crime rates, life expectancy, civil engineering projects, etc).

    But America itself is an especially confusing country to assess because of its unusual culture and spending patterns.

    If you watching YouTube, you can be shocked by the wealth shown in the interiors of American peoples’ houses.

    On the other hand, tourists walking in central Los Angeles, can be shocked in an opposite direction, by the low level of public investment in the country, and the homeless people rolling on the pavement.

    Overall, I think tourists will usually underestimate how wealthy America is. A lot of wealth in America is inaccessible to public, and hidden inside peoples’ luxury houses, in suburbs which are only accessible by car.

    I feel like a lot of America’s wealth is wasted by hiding it, while in golden ages of places like Venice or Seville, the national wealth was planted in the centre of the cities and the wider public could enjoy or at least see the investments every time they walk in the city squares. In this sense, it becomes a dual investment, that is also contributing to the public sphere.

    Historically, the European cultures could also waste a lot of investments on palaces. But at least in countries like Italy these could be often viewable, or aesthetically contributing for, publicly accessible spaces.

    Transportation is not a bad rating tool either

    When it reverses, it can also indicate where a country is collapsing.

    For example, reading the Wikipedia article “Rail transport in Lebanon”, which says that trains do not exist in Lebanon since 2002. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Lebanon

    So there does not exist even anymore “rail transport in Lebanon”, but there is an article of Wikipedia about its historical existence.

    There is also a similar thing with the “Rail transport in Venezuala”, saying “80% of public transportation is not operational” – but guess at least they still have 20% https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Venezuela

    it costs an enormous amount to build a new track in America – that is not a money problem but something else. And people are afraid to use the subway in some areas, for reasons other than funding.

    Since sometime in the 20th century, Americans also have the opposite of the Potemkin village culture. They seem to prefer more something like the anti-Potemkin village, where they like boasting to the world (including even at the government media level) about how dysfunctional their country is.

    Whereas in Europe a lot of the public investment is partly motivated by trying to impress the rival nationalities. Why do English build St Pancras to be so much more stylish, clean and modern than other train stations in the United Kingdom? It’s because it is the first impression of London that the French are seeing, so they clean it constantly, hired the best designers, etc.

  220. @AP
    @Mikhail


    Should Zhukov also be written off as a Commie mass murderer?
     
    Scumbag who helped crush the anti-Bolshevik rebellion in Tambov. But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.

    Just to be clear - you are a Vlasovite, right? Don’t be ashamed to admit it :-)

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @Mikhail

    But Vlasov managed to work for two Russian-killing governments. Zhukov at least stopped one of them, so perhaps he redeemed himself of his early crimes.

    Vlasov was nominally allied with the Nazis. He clearly had different aims than the Nazis as noted by a key Nazi who publicly rebuked him. Regardless, Vlasov wasn’t responsible for as many Russian deaths as Stalin.

    Offhand, the OUN/UPA might’ve killed more Ukrainians than the ROA/POA killed Russians.

  221. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have not attempted to humiliate you, just challenged you a bit. And I did not feel humiliated by your remarks about my émigré ossified mindset or my neo-Pagan Kolovrat LARPing.

    There are not much things that I do take seriously on "teh internets". In real life it's different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to "filter one's bazaar ".

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let's just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.

    BTW this is Прощeное Воскресенье today for all Russian Orthodox Christians. I don't think we both qualify as devout Christian types, but for what it's worth:

    https://static.apostrophe.ua/uploads/image/544586939c26d63b443f011e77798487.jpg

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s never too late. I met up with a friend of mine in Church today, and we agreed to forgive each other over some stupid little misunderstanding.

    Yours is a great suggestion, a great new beginning! 🙂

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  222. Shifting gears, this is a good one:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-harry-and-meghan-have-weaponized-cancel-culture-180210

    Reminded of how a good number of sports journos and fans automatically supported Panarin’s decision to leave the Rangers for two weeks.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/02/27/putting-artemi-panarin-situation-in-proper-perspective/

    Since that article, I’m leaning more in the direction that Panarin gaslighted the situation to help promote his anti-Putin views in addition to getting time off from his employer.

  223. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin


    what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?
     
    Where does this number come from? Russia's annual gas exports has been in range of $20B to $65B over the last two decades. Ukraine getting subsidies adding up to $200B means they must've taken a massive chunk of this.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard-Mandela

    This is the number cited by Alexey Pushkov. He could be off. But it was a lot either way.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://twitter.com/Alexey_Pushkov/status/468318595613982720

    This? That probably includes a lot more than gas subsidies. Like joint projects and Russia keeping various Ukrainian industries alive. But Ukraine still undoubtedly received a lot from gas subsidies.

    In hindsight it seems like a bad choice of subsidies. It doesn't give leverage. Stopping the gas subsidies and requiring Ukraine to pay market price just creates anger. Would be better off giving away cheap loans. Requiring repayment also creates anger but at least there is potential for recuperation of costs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  224. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi


    Manchus are an exceptional case

     

    Manchus are the latest in waves of Inner Asian peoples to assimilate. Northern Hans tend to have kins on family tree who descended from them so don’t make a point to distinguish. Most of them are Altaic/Siberian and some Indo-Euros.

    with scripts
    Jurchen/Mongol/Khitan/Gokturk/Tanguts

    earlier in history and without scripts
    Xianbei/Five Barbarians/and many more…

    Pretty easy sell to get them to give up their feral lifestyles when the alternative is higher standard of living with cultivated learning.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    Manchus are the latest in waves of Inner Asian peoples to assimilate. Northern Hans tend to have kins on family tree who descended from them so don’t make a point to distinguish. Most of them are Altaic/Siberian and some Indo-Euros.

    with scripts
    Jurchen/Mongol/Khitan/Gokturk/Tanguts

    Oh boy, where should I start! Jürchens are Manchus, so you made an artificial distinction between them for some curious and puzzling reason? Mongols were never assimilated by the Han, I as a man of Mongol heritage can say this to you. Mongol and Han intermarriage was prohibited by Qing laws. Khitans were expelled, by the Jürchens from China and now they are mostly extinct, though the small ethnic group of Daurs is probably their descendant. Göktürks were also not assimilated by the Han, their closest living relatives are the modern day Tuvans, Kazakhs and Uyghurs. Tanguts were mostly exterminated by the Mongols, survivors were probably assimilated by Amdo Tibetans.

    Only Manchus were assimilated in your list of peoples, and I have one Manchu friend, though he doesn’t make noise about his Manchu ethnicity, it’s clear to me after all these years of friendship that he is silently very proud about it, but I think that hundreds of years of living as a minority amidst the ocean of Han has made them wise and cunning about these matters. Most Han who claim Manchu heritage do not really have Manchu blood, but Han Bannermen blood instead.

    Xianbei/Five Barbarians

    Xianbei are direct ancestors of Mongols, haven’t seen Han Gers or yurts yet, yup Five Barbarians were assimilated by the Han.

    Pretty easy sell to get them to give up their feral lifestyles when the alternative is higher standard of living with cultivated learning.

    In the eyes of great Qing emperors like Qianlong and Kangxi Han were degenerate, especially the southerners, Han are not degenerate on my opinion, but Northern Han are superior and should be in control, like Xi Jinping! Sad that vast majority of Han in the West are southerners, their cuisine is inferior. Anyway there was no assimilation of nomads north of the Great wall, don’t know why you need to make up these fairytales about the past. “Cultivated learning?” Confucian Mongol or Turkic scholar-officials? What have you been smoking? Only cultivated learning North of wall was Tibetan learning, not Han. The divide between agricultural and sedentary folks of plains (Han) and the nomads of steppes was not primarily because of cultural reasons, or because nomads lacked refinement and culture, but because of the harsh nature of steppes, where wheat and rice do not grow. No Han state could ever control steppes, though temporarily Tang did, but their dynasty was partially or fully of steppe origin, only steppe invader dynasties like Jin, Yuan and Qing could control the steppes more or less permanently. All those invader dynasties tried to keep their ethnic ruling elite separate from Han.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi

    Good stuff, now we are talking shop. I’ll go in chronological order,

    Xianbei was one of the Five Barbarians, after the fall of Qin/Han/Jin (First Empire) they would overrun northern China by 5th CE. Later they would become found the partially sinicized Northern Wei, and mixed with Hans to found fully sinicized Sui/Tang dynasties 7th CE (Second Empire)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Sinicization_and_assimilation

    And some did not sinicize and likely became ancestors to Mongols
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Language

    Gokturks were conquered by the Tang, 7th CE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks#Conquest_by_the_Tang
    And one of their kins, Shatuo, would go on to found sinicized dynasties that took part in the politics of Central Plains, 10th CE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatuo#Five_Dynasties

    Tanguts used a Hanzi-based script and also founded a sinicized dynasty, Western Xia 11th CE. Unfortunately they are gone because a martial Buddhist Tibetic people in the Gansu corridor seems really cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangut_people#Appearance

    Khitan Liao Dynasty 10th CE were also heavily sinicized when they fell to the still unsinicized Jurchens. So some fled west to form the Western Liao while some served Jin. After Mongol conquest of Jin, one of member of Liao imperial clan would become the Great Khan’s key advisors, Yelü Chucai, 13th CE


    a vigorous adviser and administrator of the early Mongol Empire in the Confucian tradition

     


    He did his best to convince the Mongols to tax rather than slaughter conquered peoples. 

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yel%C3%BC_Chucai

    At the time of Mongol Conquest of Jin Dynasty 13th CE Jurchens are already heavily sinicized, furthermore,

    Under the Mongols' control, the Jurchens were divided into two groups and treated differently: the ones who were born and raised in North China and fluent in Chinese were considered to be Chinese (Han), but the people who were born and raised in the Jurchen homeland (Manchuria) without Chinese-speaking abilities were treated as Mongols politically.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_people#Origins_and_early_history

    So some Jurchens fully sinicized while others remained „wild“, and would mix with Hans and Koreans to become the Jianzhou Jurchen, later to become Manchus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people

    Nurhachi would later come to consolidate/lead this group 17th CE. Whereas Jurchens used a Hanzi based script, Manchus used Mongolian (initially Aramaic based) script.

    One thing about makes Manchu assimilation touchy is the imperial clan is seen as having colluded with the Japanese in the founding of Manchukuo.

    Lastly the Mongols, who obviously hardly at all sinicized. But Yongle Emperor 14th CE was reputedly half-Mongol from maternal line, which is probably why he is one the most ever fearsome emperors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor#Youth
    This says a lot considering the Mings are always considered legitimately Han Chinese, but are actually heavily Inner Asian influenced.

    were degenerate, especially the southerners, Han are not degenerate on my opinion, but Northern Han are superior and should be in control

     

    Please let’s not do the North vs. Southern Chinese debate, there are terabytes of shitpoasts in Sinosphere spilled over this. I used the term „feral“ in jest, there are obvious downsides to cultivation like soft gheyness. You guys are welcome to not assimilate otherwise there wouldn’t be so many Mongol Yokozunas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ilvOsP22NM

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

  225. @Philip Owen
    @A123

    I don't quite believe the claim that she had the virus. 5 year olds, have virtually no receptors for SARS2 to bind to. Females have fewer than males at any age.

    Replies: @A123

    Her father is a Harvard Medical Professor. While most children are never tested, odds are his daughter was exposed to the vampires medical technicians at Harvard Medical Center. Research centers are known for over enthusiastic robust & comprehensive sample collection on matters of interest, such as any patient (staff, visitors, janitors, tourists, valets, landscaping crews, random nearby homeless, etc.) exhibiting potential WUHAN-19 symptoms.

    To me, the scenario seems highly plausible based on the unique situation of the father & daughter.

    PEACE 😇

  226. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi

    I believe in the principle that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Strelkov did absolutely nothing wrong.


    Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine...
     
    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.

    Replies: @AP, @AltanBakshi, @AP

    It’s better to have two healthy birds in the bush than to have one bird full of diseases in one’s hand.

    Donbass was a tactical victory, but a strategic defeat for the Russia, it would’ve been too hard for fragile and young state of Ukraine to repress such volatile area as Donbass.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants. Even Mariupol was lost! Nothing of value was gained, just endless money sink of rump-Donbass but at least Neocons got their greatest post cold war victory. Oh well I’m always an optimist, now we must push the poison pill of Donbass to Ukraine, then we can look things from a new perspective! Ukraine’s feeble immune system cant digest such a wonderful treat. Then it’s time to chop, chop and chop!

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    ... just endless money sink of rump-Donbass
     
    Again, sorry to keep coming back to this point, but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist, but then raise these Echo of Moscow/Navalnyist/RFERL/State Department talking points which should not only be irrelevant from a "spiritual" (which you are into) Russian national perspective (counting the value of Russian unity in shekels), but also happen to be factually wrong to boot (Donbass subsidies are a rounding error in the context of the Russian budget). Also I should point out that before the war Donbass was Ukraine's richest region after Kiev, it's hardly a basketcase by default. Integrated into Russia, it will likely become a net donor after a decade.

    This is why Gerard is suspicious about your true motivations. OK, so he's some sort of vatnik nutcase, but even I have began to think along similar lines.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants.
     
    They aren't worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.
     
    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @reiner Tor

  227. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level.
     
    Correct. I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor "cultural" differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.

    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because "brother nations" also happen to hate each other the most ("narcissism of small differences"). You can't wish it away.

    The Irish tribes were much closer to each other when the English came to colonize Ireland. They still sold each other out and stabbed each other out, because they hated their own more than the interloper.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver, @Bies Podkrakowski, @AP

    I agree with what you wrote. But we must also keep in mind that populations mainly do what their elites entice or order them to do. A lot or Russians have Polish or PLC roots, this is my case on one side of my family : Orthodox Poles or Ruthenians, hard to say nowadays, it was probably the same thing backbin the 18 century.

    When left alone among Russians, the Poles usually integrate in a few generations. Same about Russians among Poles. This is what I call compatible ethnic groups. In the future, when the elites will perhaps become increasingly more globalizing and anti-national, we might be left with only this type of compatibility to rebuild ethnic ensembles : who are our clan and kin? Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    : who are our clan and kin? Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon
     
    Sounds quite racial, where you draw the borders with such policy? Russians are genetically much more diverse group as a people than Poles or Ukrainians, so at least Russian Imperialism could work with such direction. Still ethnic similarity is not a guarantee for similar beliefs or attitudes, or how do you explain 30 years war, or hundreds of years of strife between Catholics and Protestants. There was no large difference in blood between various German principalities, or between Dutch and Flemish, or between Huguenots and French Catholics. Blood alone is not strong enough bond to keep communities together. Who else fought as much between themselves as ancient Hellenes in their greatest glory?

    But what then if not blood can ensure the cohesion, survival and continuity of peoples? Answer lies in a good choice of a religion....
  228. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Thulean Friend


    AK is obviously uncomfortable with the anti-Semitism at display, largely accepts the conventional Holocaust narrative and calls people pre-occupied with the JQ “morons”.
     
    Yes, I'm just extremely well known for my philo-Semitism.

    * https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anatoly_Karlin#White_nationalism_and_alt-right
    * https://www.unz.com/akarlin/quantified-jq/

    But it is hilarious to see a self-avowed “Russian” nationalist getting railroaded like this.
     
    "Railroaded" by Bashibuzuk (a person who emigrated for good in the mid-1990s) and people with handles like "Kent Nationalist"?

    He could have been a transhumanist liberal in a proper 1st world country and instead he’s battling the nazi dregs stuck in a stagnant shithole.
     
    There are literal liberal Jews who repat to Moscow or SPB because Israel is one big village outside Tel Aviv. Sometimes for the express purpose of shitting on Russia, e.g. David Homak: https://twitter.com/akarlin88/status/1289165569808142337

    Probably hard to believe for someone who obsesses about "Poor People's Parity" like others do about JQ matters, but it is what is it is.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    village outside Tel Aviv. Sometimes

    I don’t think Tel Aviv is either anything more than feeling like some connected semi-abandoned villages, and not like a “big city”.

    It feels like if you added together some decaying villages (some with filled with utopian hipsters, others with African workers), with a beautiful liberal-atmosphere beach resort, and then started randomly, chaotically planting huge skyscrapers all over it.

    If you want to create a city atmosphere a key component is the illusion of the city as an autonomous machine, that has some kind of independent existence beyond simply being a group of houses.

    In the next years, Tel Aviv will be such an experiment for the observer, to see if it is possible for the introduction of public transport (in this case, a tram line), to create some sense of “city forming” coherence between disjointed villages.

    Chinese are building a tram system there, which first line opens in 2022, and it will be seen if trams will create a sense of a city. (As it perhaps had when trams were first introduced in European cities).

  229. @songbird
    @AltanBakshi

    I don't doubt that the Russian price is fair. It just seems like it would take a bite out of the average person with a car. My impression is that car costs in Russia are high - didn't they pioneer using car cams for insurance purposes?


    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!
     
    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from, even if I think he should delay his plans to drop every car into a crusher, until he has driven the USA from coast-to-coast, utilizing a combustion engine with at least 6 cylinders.

    Replies: @A123, @AltanBakshi

    driven the USA from coast-to-coast, utilizing a combustion engine with at least 6 cylinders.

    I have driven Hertz rental trucks coast-to-coast (over 2,000 mi.) more than once. It takes a little forward negotiation to lock-in a diesel. While “not cheap” it is quite cost effective as an option.

    FYI: Albuquerque is dangerous. With NO warning, you can find stopped traffic around blind, down hill interstate turns.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @songbird
    @A123

    Never done any driving around Albuquerque, but from what I know of it, there's a pleasing aspect to seeing a few trees, when a lot of people have a schema of NM being a desert wasteland.

  230. @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.
     
    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today's civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century "nationalist" should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of "nationalism". I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don't know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am...

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltanBakshi, @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    Your maternal ancestors were better than your paternal ones (but I don’t blame you for defending both, it’s the decent thing to do, as it’s your family).

    You confuse me, so my relative who was in NKVD was the good guy in your opinion, and those who fought the Red Army were bad guys? Weren’t you an Ukrainian nationalist of Galician origins just some time ago?

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    I think this reply was to AP not me. I did not comment about your ancestors, AP did.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    , @AP
    @AltanBakshi

    No I meant the opposite. Perhaps you miswrote or I misread which side of the family these people were coming from.

  231. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Shortsword

    This is the number cited by Alexey Pushkov. He could be off. But it was a lot either way.

    Replies: @Shortsword

    This? That probably includes a lot more than gas subsidies. Like joint projects and Russia keeping various Ukrainian industries alive. But Ukraine still undoubtedly received a lot from gas subsidies.

    In hindsight it seems like a bad choice of subsidies. It doesn’t give leverage. Stopping the gas subsidies and requiring Ukraine to pay market price just creates anger. Would be better off giving away cheap loans. Requiring repayment also creates anger but at least there is potential for recuperation of costs.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Shortsword

    Makes sense!

  232. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin


    what did it get out out of $200B of post-Soviet gas subsidies?
     
    Where does this number come from? Russia's annual gas exports has been in range of $20B to $65B over the last two decades. Ukraine getting subsidies adding up to $200B means they must've taken a massive chunk of this.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Gerard-Mandela

    Ukraine is (or at least was) a major gas consumer for industrial and personal use. We have been exporting gas to them in great volumes ( a significant percentage of our western + Turkey exports) for the last 20-30 years.

    If you compare this volume of natural gas delivered to them, with the paying rates offered to Poland/Baltics and ( though not as high) to Germany, then this 200 billion dollar subsidy quote makes perfect sense. Ukrop has been 1/6th to 1/7th of our export market previously, similar thing with Belarus

  233. @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    It's better to have two healthy birds in the bush than to have one bird full of diseases in one's hand.

    Donbass was a tactical victory, but a strategic defeat for the Russia, it would've been too hard for fragile and young state of Ukraine to repress such volatile area as Donbass.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants. Even Mariupol was lost! Nothing of value was gained, just endless money sink of rump-Donbass but at least Neocons got their greatest post cold war victory. Oh well I'm always an optimist, now we must push the poison pill of Donbass to Ukraine, then we can look things from a new perspective! Ukraine's feeble immune system cant digest such a wonderful treat. Then it's time to chop, chop and chop!

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    … just endless money sink of rump-Donbass

    Again, sorry to keep coming back to this point, but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist, but then raise these Echo of Moscow/Navalnyist/RFERL/State Department talking points which should not only be irrelevant from a “spiritual” (which you are into) Russian national perspective (counting the value of Russian unity in shekels), but also happen to be factually wrong to boot (Donbass subsidies are a rounding error in the context of the Russian budget). Also I should point out that before the war Donbass was Ukraine’s richest region after Kiev, it’s hardly a basketcase by default. Integrated into Russia, it will likely become a net donor after a decade.

    This is why Gerard is suspicious about your true motivations. OK, so he’s some sort of vatnik nutcase, but even I have began to think along similar lines.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants.

    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.

    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist
     
    Altan is neither Russian, nor nationalist. Perhaps you have mixed up the both of us.

    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.
     
    This depends on families. And some neighbors are better than others. Walls also happen to go down or simply fail to provide protection (Hadrian or Trojan walls or the Great Chinese Wall come to mind).

    What is best is a win-win economic and cultural integration without domination or resentment. Fact is, post-Soviet elites failed on that account in both Russia and Ukraine. This is simply due to both these elites (better be said mafia clans) being much more interested in crossing each other for a couple billion dollars than building something durable. Also as long as the plebs on both side hate each other, they won't unite to kick out the parasitic elite at the top. This is the old good "divide and rule" strategy.

    Also the "Western Partners " of VVP would love to turn Russians and Ukrainians into Serbs and Croatians 2.0.

    Brings to mind Pelevin's SNUFF with its "Orks' wars" between the tribes of Great Khagans Rvan Durex and Dran Latex under the interested gaze of the civilized people up high...
    , @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You have grossly misunderstood my logic, I desire from my whole heart that all Ukraine, becomes an inseparable part of Russia. I just speculated if Donbass as a part of Ukraine, would be more useful for realisation of Russia's long term policy objectives. Now Russia pays for everything, and Ukraine not, even though Ukraine claims the area for itself, Donbass is economically blockaded and can't have normal business relations with outside world, to top of that large part of its infrastructure is in ruins, so it's relative pre war wealth doesn't help much. With them as a part of Ukraine they could greatly help in destabilising that rotten state. I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine. Most important is the destabilisation and implosion of Ukraine, momentarily loss of Donbass for a greater reward seems to me to be a good strategy.
    Worst thing about Donbass was that Ukrainian nationalists got much stronger in majority of Ukraine that was left...

    By the way I don't think that I'm a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.


    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.
     
    Motor Sich was extremely valuable for Russian military not long time ago, and I believe it still is, but otherwise I fully agree with you. Odd that I got such a strong reaction from you. I believe that Donbass as Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolayev and Kiev belong to Russia, and have always belonged, and will always belong.

    Sad that Gerard is suspicious about me, in my opinion his heart is somewhat rough but good.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.
     
    Russia can get up to 200 million people by reproducing more. If you're such a hardcore Russian nationalist, why exactly aren't you making lots of little hybrid Lak-Russian babies, Anatoly? ;)

    In any case, Ukraine's population might decrease to 15-20 million by 2100, and out of those possibly 10 million are going to be hardcore svidomy. So, by 2100, there might be at best 10 million Ukrainians whom Russia might recover. Thus, it might be more prudent for Russia to actually get these Ukrainians to move to Russia as opposed to aiming to conquer additional Ukrainian territory. Would result in much less blowback and sanctions from the West that way.

    Even a 200 million-strong Russia won't be able to effectively compete against a 1 billion-strong China or against a 1 billion-strong Western bloc (the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the E.U., Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan). So, really, any Russian that searches for glory in Ukraine should know better. REAL Russian glory is to be found in successfully getting Russians to breed a lot and to do this eugenically. Theoretically, I suspect that Russia is capable of supporting a population of 500+ million people. Once its breeders will be up to the task, then this should happen. In the meantime, you could aim to achieve population growth by trying to copy what Israelis and/or cognitively elitist Westerners do--as in, combine policies that encourage high native fertility rates with cognitively elitist immigration policies. If the Sakhalin Koreans can successfully become Russians, why not other groups as well?

    Ultimately, in the grand scheme of things, Russia's biggest mistake was probably to seek a fight with Germany before it could actually get its own house in order. That, or not stop German unification in the first place. Though not stopping the development of Ukrainian nationalism in Galicia would definitely qualify as a close second.

    , @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    before the war Donbass was Ukraine’s richest region after Kiev, it’s hardly a basketcase by default
     
    It was the richest region because it provided two sources of hard cash on international markets: coal, and steel. Otherwise, it had the highest or close to highest crime rate, HIV rate, lowest fertility rate in Ukraine and in the Slavic world. An analogy would be, say, annexing a dysfunctional but oil-rich region of Africa. A basketcase, but one providing hard currency.
    , @reiner Tor
    @Anatoly Karlin


    A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.
     
    Loyalty is an important issue. If the 200 million includes 40 million people of questionable loyalty (perhaps 20 million outright hostile), then it’s worse than 150 million people who are all (or almost all) loyal to the project.
  234. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    Your maternal ancestors were better than your paternal ones (but I don’t blame you for defending both, it’s the decent thing to do, as it’s your family).
     
    You confuse me, so my relative who was in NKVD was the good guy in your opinion, and those who fought the Red Army were bad guys? Weren't you an Ukrainian nationalist of Galician origins just some time ago?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AP

    I think this reply was to AP not me. I did not comment about your ancestors, AP did.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk

    Yes you are correct, I rarely am awake so late as I'm now. Sorry if I sound confused, I really should go to sleep, good night everybody.

    Btw Karlin I'm just an old fashioned imperialist with a tint of red, to me empires are jolly families of nations! Everything is better together!

  235. LOL, sorry. It is 5 am and my mind is a bit addled.

  236. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    ... just endless money sink of rump-Donbass
     
    Again, sorry to keep coming back to this point, but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist, but then raise these Echo of Moscow/Navalnyist/RFERL/State Department talking points which should not only be irrelevant from a "spiritual" (which you are into) Russian national perspective (counting the value of Russian unity in shekels), but also happen to be factually wrong to boot (Donbass subsidies are a rounding error in the context of the Russian budget). Also I should point out that before the war Donbass was Ukraine's richest region after Kiev, it's hardly a basketcase by default. Integrated into Russia, it will likely become a net donor after a decade.

    This is why Gerard is suspicious about your true motivations. OK, so he's some sort of vatnik nutcase, but even I have began to think along similar lines.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants.
     
    They aren't worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.
     
    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @reiner Tor

    but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist

    Altan is neither Russian, nor nationalist. Perhaps you have mixed up the both of us.

    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    This depends on families. And some neighbors are better than others. Walls also happen to go down or simply fail to provide protection (Hadrian or Trojan walls or the Great Chinese Wall come to mind).

    What is best is a win-win economic and cultural integration without domination or resentment. Fact is, post-Soviet elites failed on that account in both Russia and Ukraine. This is simply due to both these elites (better be said mafia clans) being much more interested in crossing each other for a couple billion dollars than building something durable. Also as long as the plebs on both side hate each other, they won’t unite to kick out the parasitic elite at the top. This is the old good “divide and rule” strategy.

    Also the “Western Partners ” of VVP would love to turn Russians and Ukrainians into Serbs and Croatians 2.0.

    Brings to mind Pelevin’s SNUFF with its “Orks’ wars” between the tribes of Great Khagans Rvan Durex and Dran Latex under the interested gaze of the civilized people up high…

  237. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi

    I believe in the principle that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Strelkov did absolutely nothing wrong.


    Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine...
     
    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.

    Replies: @AP, @AltanBakshi, @AP

    Russia doesn’t benefit from a cordial/”brotherly” but separate relationship with Ukraine

    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU. Ukraine was heading in that direction. Prior to 2013 even Galicia was about 60% positive towards Russia as a country, it was pro-West but it’s beef was mostly with Donbas/Yanukovich.

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both

    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.

    Ideally Ukraine will integrate with its western neighbors and this entity will be friendly with and maybe even allied with Russia; France has been allied with Germany after World War II after all.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP


    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU.
     
    Both Greece and Bulgaria have proven less than useless so far as Russian interests are concerned, opinion poll "Russophilia" regardless.

    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.
     
    That's not an unreasonable position from a Ukraino-centric vantage point. But what does Russia get out of it?

    But I don't see why Russia needs to privilege a neo-PLC as a partner (or the converse). Germany, Korea, and Italy offer advanced machine tools, China offers a counterweight against Western sanctions, India offers a hedge against too strong a dependence on China, even Israel offers some interesting tech products.

    What does the PLC offer (making the bold assumption that it lets go of its butthurt and reparations demands)?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @AP


    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU. Ukraine was heading in that direction. Prior to 2013 even Galicia was about 60% positive towards Russia as a country, it was pro-West but it’s beef was mostly with Donbas/Yanukovich.
     
    A Russian Trojan horse inside of the E.U., if you will? By the way, didn't the Ukrainian opposition (the pro-Western parties) largely OPPOSE keeping the Russian fleet in Crimea in 2010?

    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.
     
    TBH, I just don't see a crucial need for this. Ukraine's population is likely to decrease to 15-20 million by 2100, and out of those, 10 million are likely to be hardcore svidomy. At the very most, by 2100, you might get 10 million "recoverable" Ukrainians. Not a big deal!

    The U.S. could have performed better with Canada as well, but the U.S. isn't throwing a hissy fit over not having Canada like Russia is over not having Ukraine!

    Ideally Ukraine will integrate with its western neighbors and this entity will be friendly with and maybe even allied with Russia; France has been allied with Germany after World War II after all.
     
    As Anatoly Karlin previously asked, why exactly should Russian troops be cannon fodder in any future Sino-Western war?
  238. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    ... just endless money sink of rump-Donbass
     
    Again, sorry to keep coming back to this point, but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist, but then raise these Echo of Moscow/Navalnyist/RFERL/State Department talking points which should not only be irrelevant from a "spiritual" (which you are into) Russian national perspective (counting the value of Russian unity in shekels), but also happen to be factually wrong to boot (Donbass subsidies are a rounding error in the context of the Russian budget). Also I should point out that before the war Donbass was Ukraine's richest region after Kiev, it's hardly a basketcase by default. Integrated into Russia, it will likely become a net donor after a decade.

    This is why Gerard is suspicious about your true motivations. OK, so he's some sort of vatnik nutcase, but even I have began to think along similar lines.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants.
     
    They aren't worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.
     
    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @reiner Tor

    You have grossly misunderstood my logic, I desire from my whole heart that all Ukraine, becomes an inseparable part of Russia. I just speculated if Donbass as a part of Ukraine, would be more useful for realisation of Russia’s long term policy objectives. Now Russia pays for everything, and Ukraine not, even though Ukraine claims the area for itself, Donbass is economically blockaded and can’t have normal business relations with outside world, to top of that large part of its infrastructure is in ruins, so it’s relative pre war wealth doesn’t help much. With them as a part of Ukraine they could greatly help in destabilising that rotten state. I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine. Most important is the destabilisation and implosion of Ukraine, momentarily loss of Donbass for a greater reward seems to me to be a good strategy.
    Worst thing about Donbass was that Ukrainian nationalists got much stronger in majority of Ukraine that was left…

    By the way I don’t think that I’m a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.

    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Motor Sich was extremely valuable for Russian military not long time ago, and I believe it still is, but otherwise I fully agree with you. Odd that I got such a strong reaction from you. I believe that Donbass as Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolayev and Kiev belong to Russia, and have always belonged, and will always belong.

    Sad that Gerard is suspicious about me, in my opinion his heart is somewhat rough but good.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    @AltanBakshi



    Motor Sich was extremely valuable for Russian military not long time ago

     
    True. But only because Russia chose to support the Ukrainian industry by not developing some types of engines and gas turbines that Ukrainians produced.
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    By the way I don’t think that I’m a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.
     
    Sorry, again, as per above, I confused who I was replying to. 5 am poasting.

    I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine.
     
    Seems that was broadly the plan during 2015-2019. Then it was progressively given up upon.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ

  239. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Russia doesn’t benefit from a cordial/”brotherly” but separate relationship with Ukraine
     
    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU. Ukraine was heading in that direction. Prior to 2013 even Galicia was about 60% positive towards Russia as a country, it was pro-West but it's beef was mostly with Donbas/Yanukovich.

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both
     
    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.

    Ideally Ukraine will integrate with its western neighbors and this entity will be friendly with and maybe even allied with Russia; France has been allied with Germany after World War II after all.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ

    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU.

    Both Greece and Bulgaria have proven less than useless so far as Russian interests are concerned, opinion poll “Russophilia” regardless.

    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.

    That’s not an unreasonable position from a Ukraino-centric vantage point. But what does Russia get out of it?

    But I don’t see why Russia needs to privilege a neo-PLC as a partner (or the converse). Germany, Korea, and Italy offer advanced machine tools, China offers a counterweight against Western sanctions, India offers a hedge against too strong a dependence on China, even Israel offers some interesting tech products.

    What does the PLC offer (making the bold assumption that it lets go of its butthurt and reparations demands)?

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    What does the PLC offer (making the bold assumption that it lets go of its butthurt and reparations demands)?
     
    Why exactly can't the PLC offer technology comparable to that of Italy? Its average IQ would likely be comparable to that of Italy, no?
  240. @Bashibuzuk
    @AltanBakshi

    I think this reply was to AP not me. I did not comment about your ancestors, AP did.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    Yes you are correct, I rarely am awake so late as I’m now. Sorry if I sound confused, I really should go to sleep, good night everybody.

    Btw Karlin I’m just an old fashioned imperialist with a tint of red, to me empires are jolly families of nations! Everything is better together!

  241. @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You have grossly misunderstood my logic, I desire from my whole heart that all Ukraine, becomes an inseparable part of Russia. I just speculated if Donbass as a part of Ukraine, would be more useful for realisation of Russia's long term policy objectives. Now Russia pays for everything, and Ukraine not, even though Ukraine claims the area for itself, Donbass is economically blockaded and can't have normal business relations with outside world, to top of that large part of its infrastructure is in ruins, so it's relative pre war wealth doesn't help much. With them as a part of Ukraine they could greatly help in destabilising that rotten state. I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine. Most important is the destabilisation and implosion of Ukraine, momentarily loss of Donbass for a greater reward seems to me to be a good strategy.
    Worst thing about Donbass was that Ukrainian nationalists got much stronger in majority of Ukraine that was left...

    By the way I don't think that I'm a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.


    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.
     
    Motor Sich was extremely valuable for Russian military not long time ago, and I believe it still is, but otherwise I fully agree with you. Odd that I got such a strong reaction from you. I believe that Donbass as Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolayev and Kiev belong to Russia, and have always belonged, and will always belong.

    Sad that Gerard is suspicious about me, in my opinion his heart is somewhat rough but good.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin

    Motor Sich was extremely valuable for Russian military not long time ago

    True. But only because Russia chose to support the Ukrainian industry by not developing some types of engines and gas turbines that Ukrainians produced.

  242. @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You have grossly misunderstood my logic, I desire from my whole heart that all Ukraine, becomes an inseparable part of Russia. I just speculated if Donbass as a part of Ukraine, would be more useful for realisation of Russia's long term policy objectives. Now Russia pays for everything, and Ukraine not, even though Ukraine claims the area for itself, Donbass is economically blockaded and can't have normal business relations with outside world, to top of that large part of its infrastructure is in ruins, so it's relative pre war wealth doesn't help much. With them as a part of Ukraine they could greatly help in destabilising that rotten state. I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine. Most important is the destabilisation and implosion of Ukraine, momentarily loss of Donbass for a greater reward seems to me to be a good strategy.
    Worst thing about Donbass was that Ukrainian nationalists got much stronger in majority of Ukraine that was left...

    By the way I don't think that I'm a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.


    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.
     
    Motor Sich was extremely valuable for Russian military not long time ago, and I believe it still is, but otherwise I fully agree with you. Odd that I got such a strong reaction from you. I believe that Donbass as Kharkov, Odessa, Nikolayev and Kiev belong to Russia, and have always belonged, and will always belong.

    Sad that Gerard is suspicious about me, in my opinion his heart is somewhat rough but good.

    Replies: @Shortsword, @Anatoly Karlin

    By the way I don’t think that I’m a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.

    Sorry, again, as per above, I confused who I was replying to. 5 am poasting.

    I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine.

    Seems that was broadly the plan during 2015-2019. Then it was progressively given up upon.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @Anatoly Karlin

    But emotionally and morally speaking there are no people more deserving of Russian citizenship and protection than people of Donbass.

    , @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Seems that was broadly the plan during 2015-2019. Then it was progressively given up upon.
     
    The problem was likely that Ukraine was never actually going to agree to the Kremlin’s desired federalization terms. After all, giving the Donbass veto power over joining the E.U. and NATO is as stupid as giving Texas veto power over joining any economic unions or military alliances. U.S. states simply don’t have that kind of power–and why exactly should they, unless they actually become independent countries?
  243. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ

    If several states declare independence after, say, a new Constitutional convention in response to a federal arms ban, then you won't need foreign interventionists, assuming state National Guardsmen side with separatist lawmakers. Though they will certainly "spice things up" once it gets going.

    My guess in this highly hypothetical scenario is that Russia will provide propaganda support and possibly covert military support to the separatists. For its part, China may support the Chapo/leftist elements within the USG, who could try to pull off their own coup in the event of regime setbacks.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    The Confederacy was well-armed in the early 1860s, but this didn’t prevent the Union from defeating and conquering them–albeit after a long war. What exactly makes you think that a 21st century U.S. separatist rebellion would be any more successful than the Confederacy’s attempt was? If anything, the Union would have a lot of supporters in blue urban areas within deep red territories this time around since most minorities in the U.S. vote for the Democrats nowadays–and there are much more of them now than in the 1860s, and they are also much more assertive nowadays in comparison to the enslaved and largely illiterate blacks in the Confederacy in the 1860s.

    You could say “Minorities would make poor soldiers! They’re duller than MAGA Trumpists on average!” Well, maybe, but the Taliban are almost certainly likewise duller than U.S. troops are, and yet the U.S. has failed to decisively defeat the Taliban in spite of trying very hard to do this for the last 20 years!

  244. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    ... just endless money sink of rump-Donbass
     
    Again, sorry to keep coming back to this point, but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist, but then raise these Echo of Moscow/Navalnyist/RFERL/State Department talking points which should not only be irrelevant from a "spiritual" (which you are into) Russian national perspective (counting the value of Russian unity in shekels), but also happen to be factually wrong to boot (Donbass subsidies are a rounding error in the context of the Russian budget). Also I should point out that before the war Donbass was Ukraine's richest region after Kiev, it's hardly a basketcase by default. Integrated into Russia, it will likely become a net donor after a decade.

    This is why Gerard is suspicious about your true motivations. OK, so he's some sort of vatnik nutcase, but even I have began to think along similar lines.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants.
     
    They aren't worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.
     
    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @reiner Tor

    They aren’t worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Russia can get up to 200 million people by reproducing more. If you’re such a hardcore Russian nationalist, why exactly aren’t you making lots of little hybrid Lak-Russian babies, Anatoly? 😉

    In any case, Ukraine’s population might decrease to 15-20 million by 2100, and out of those possibly 10 million are going to be hardcore svidomy. So, by 2100, there might be at best 10 million Ukrainians whom Russia might recover. Thus, it might be more prudent for Russia to actually get these Ukrainians to move to Russia as opposed to aiming to conquer additional Ukrainian territory. Would result in much less blowback and sanctions from the West that way.

    Even a 200 million-strong Russia won’t be able to effectively compete against a 1 billion-strong China or against a 1 billion-strong Western bloc (the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the E.U., Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan). So, really, any Russian that searches for glory in Ukraine should know better. REAL Russian glory is to be found in successfully getting Russians to breed a lot and to do this eugenically. Theoretically, I suspect that Russia is capable of supporting a population of 500+ million people. Once its breeders will be up to the task, then this should happen. In the meantime, you could aim to achieve population growth by trying to copy what Israelis and/or cognitively elitist Westerners do–as in, combine policies that encourage high native fertility rates with cognitively elitist immigration policies. If the Sakhalin Koreans can successfully become Russians, why not other groups as well?

    Ultimately, in the grand scheme of things, Russia’s biggest mistake was probably to seek a fight with Germany before it could actually get its own house in order. That, or not stop German unification in the first place. Though not stopping the development of Ukrainian nationalism in Galicia would definitely qualify as a close second.

  245. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Russia doesn’t benefit from a cordial/”brotherly” but separate relationship with Ukraine
     
    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU. Ukraine was heading in that direction. Prior to 2013 even Galicia was about 60% positive towards Russia as a country, it was pro-West but it's beef was mostly with Donbas/Yanukovich.

    Or they should make a final divorce and evolve as fully separate nation-states. Hostility will be inevitable, but perhaps beneficial for both
     
    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.

    Ideally Ukraine will integrate with its western neighbors and this entity will be friendly with and maybe even allied with Russia; France has been allied with Germany after World War II after all.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ

    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU. Ukraine was heading in that direction. Prior to 2013 even Galicia was about 60% positive towards Russia as a country, it was pro-West but it’s beef was mostly with Donbas/Yanukovich.

    A Russian Trojan horse inside of the E.U., if you will? By the way, didn’t the Ukrainian opposition (the pro-Western parties) largely OPPOSE keeping the Russian fleet in Crimea in 2010?

    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.

    TBH, I just don’t see a crucial need for this. Ukraine’s population is likely to decrease to 15-20 million by 2100, and out of those, 10 million are likely to be hardcore svidomy. At the very most, by 2100, you might get 10 million “recoverable” Ukrainians. Not a big deal!

    The U.S. could have performed better with Canada as well, but the U.S. isn’t throwing a hissy fit over not having Canada like Russia is over not having Ukraine!

    Ideally Ukraine will integrate with its western neighbors and this entity will be friendly with and maybe even allied with Russia; France has been allied with Germany after World War II after all.

    As Anatoly Karlin previously asked, why exactly should Russian troops be cannon fodder in any future Sino-Western war?

  246. @AP
    Since we have had Viktor Bout, someone should at least post pictures of women on this open threat. Here are Ukrainian army girls:

    https://img.112.international/original/2018/03/07/271522.jpg

    https://storage1b.censor.net/images/9/b/1/a/9b1a01ad5d858483721365a87128270e/original.jpg

    Replies: @melanf, @RadicalCenter

    Since we have had Viktor Bout, someone should at least post pictures of women on this open threat. Here are Ukrainian army girls:

    If you compare it with the north of Russia, you can easily see the difference between the anthropological types of Southern Europe and Northern Europe.

    Presumably its descendants of the Paleolithic hunters of Europe (in the North) and Neolithic migrants from the Middle East (in the South).

    But if you exclude anthropology these girls in military uniforms are a 90% meaningless phenomenon (since they are militarily useless if not harmful)

    • Replies: @AP
    @melanf

    Most of the northern Russian ones look more like Finns than like Slavs. The second one from the right looks a little Ukrainian.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @melanf

  247. @Bashibuzuk
    @Blinky Bill


    I’m certain you’d understand their reasoning.
     
    Of course.

    Have you read it Bashibuzuk?
     
    Unfortunately didn't have a chance. I did not know it was published in Moscow (probably would be impossible today). All I have read were bits of information found around the internet. I remember my surprise some 20 years ago when I first read about the Russian Fascist organization. Harbin has probably been a fascinating place back then.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @silviosilver

    Harbin has probably been a fascinating place back then.

    Sorry, but it’s grammar nazi time: Harbin was probably a fascinating place back then.

    With respect to the past tense of the verb “to be” (as opposed to “to go”), the rule of thumb is that was/were is virtually always strongly preferred to has/have been. This is especially the case when you include a preposition like “back then”; using has/have been here is simply ungrammatical. Without the preposition has/have been is grammatical, but it just sounds strange; incorrectly using was/were instead of has/have been generally sounds less strange. Eg “I was a good boy, I deserve a cookie!” still sounds okay, even though that would be generally phrased as “I’ve been a good boy, I deserve a cookie!”

    I did not know it was published in Moscow,

    Also, as a stylistic point, when posting, “didn’t” is almost always preferable to “did not.” (This doesn’t apply to more formal writing, as in a newspaper article.)

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
  248. Seems that was broadly the plan during 2015-2019. Then it was progressively given up upon.

    The problem was likely that Ukraine was never actually going to agree to the Kremlin’s desired federalization terms. After all, giving the Donbass veto power over joining the E.U. and NATO is as stupid as giving Texas veto power over joining any economic unions or military alliances. U.S. states simply don’t have that kind of power–and why exactly should they, unless they actually become independent countries?

  249. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP


    Imagine a much-larger, pro-Russian Bulgaria or Greece type country (yes it would not be quite as friendly as Serbia) within the EU.
     
    Both Greece and Bulgaria have proven less than useless so far as Russian interests are concerned, opinion poll "Russophilia" regardless.

    Union with Russia has been bad for Ukraine both previous times it had been attempted.
     
    That's not an unreasonable position from a Ukraino-centric vantage point. But what does Russia get out of it?

    But I don't see why Russia needs to privilege a neo-PLC as a partner (or the converse). Germany, Korea, and Italy offer advanced machine tools, China offers a counterweight against Western sanctions, India offers a hedge against too strong a dependence on China, even Israel offers some interesting tech products.

    What does the PLC offer (making the bold assumption that it lets go of its butthurt and reparations demands)?

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    What does the PLC offer (making the bold assumption that it lets go of its butthurt and reparations demands)?

    Why exactly can’t the PLC offer technology comparable to that of Italy? Its average IQ would likely be comparable to that of Italy, no?

  250. @AP
    @Anatoly Karlin


    "Pro-Russian forces would be much stronger inside Ukraine…"

    Who cares how strong they are if they are going to be repressed and disenfranchised anyway.
     
    With ~45% rather than ~30% support they could still cause a lot of trouble for Ukrainian interests in Ukraine. It would be tempting for someone to cut a deal with such a large bloc. Thank God they have been removed, with Russian help.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Mr. XYZ

    Just what exactly would the terms of such a deal have actually been, though? Because after their attempt to monopolize power in the Yanukovych years, I think that the pro-Western parties in Ukraine strongly distrusted the pro-Russian parties in Ukraine and were thus unwilling to actually work with them.

  251. in Ukraine’s case, it will be flat out out impossible).

    Ukraine can do this as a part of the West, no? After all, Ukraine would be more productive as a part of a 500 million-strong European bloc (or 1 billion-strong Western bloc if one also includes Britain, Canada, the U.S., Australia, and the pro-Western East Asian countries such as Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan) than as a part of a 200 million-strong East Slavic bloc. The larger the bloc, after all, the larger the hive mind, no?

    In this regard, it was arguably stupid for Russia to insist on creating its own 200-300 million-strong Eurasian bloc as opposed to aiming to join the 1 billion-strong Western bloc–at least so long as Russian troops wouldn’t actually be used as Western cannon fodder in any future Sino-Western war. Russia can still create its own bloc, of course, but it would require centuries for it to develop the necessary population to rival either the Western bloc or China. Better hope that Russian breeders plus eugenics are up to the task!

  252. @AP
    @Bashibuzuk


    and self-identify (increasingly erroneously) as a “Russian Nationalist”.
     
    Objectively Putin has not been bad for the Russian people from a nationalist perspective: their state and army are much stronger, more fertile, they have taken back some Russian-populated territory, all while being more prosperous and having much better and happier lives (unlike, say North Koreans, Argentines, or others who tend to pay a price when their governments pursue militaristic or nationalistic aims). Putin's policies have led to a few thousand dead Russians in Donbas but on balance he is probably not bad from a Russian nationalist perspective.

    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist. From that perspective, Putin has been harmful. He has greatly deepened the division between Ukrainians and Russians. In a much milder and more humane way, Putin has followed the tradition of Andrei Bogolubski, sacker of Kiev, or Ivan Grozny, destroyer of the Novgorod people who had built up Muscovy at the expense of other Rus.

    Replies: @Mikhail, @Dmitry, @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ

    If Putin wanted to be an all-Rus nationalist, he should have aimed to integrate Russia (and Belarus) into the European Union in order to create a 300 million-strong Slavic bloc within the European Union.

    • Disagree: Mikhail, RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Mr. XYZ


    If Putin wanted to be an all-Rus nationalist, he should have aimed to integrate Russia (and Belarus) into the European Union in order to create a 300 million-strong Slavic bloc within the European Union.
     
    Such a decision isn't Putin's. The EU isn't looking to take in Ukraine as a full fledged member, anytime soon if ever. Putin hasn't been against Ukraine being a full member of the Eurasian Economic Union. The EU has a few too many pain the ass elements. Without Russian meddling , the EU is having problems.
  253. @anyone with a brain
    I just want to continue my popular comment (here) about why there would never be a civil war in the U.S and rebut to the very valid comment (here )

    I am from Yugoslavia and I can tell you that America is far more polarized, disunited and ready to explode than anything I have ever seen in Yugoslavia. I grew up there and spent 14 years living all across JUSSA
    Even now when I go back to Serbia - I am pleasantly surprised how much happier, united and meaningfully socially connected they are (after all the USA-instigated wars they suffered) than slavish, confused, turned against each other Americans.
    Oh, and I only saw ONE beggar last time I was in Serbia - a gypsy woman I took a photo of here - she was counting a big bunch of notes she got after a day of begging.
    Compare to covered in shit San Francisco, LA, Seattle, Honolulu with all the tent cities, syringes, mentally damaged homeless jumping on people passing by for no reason etc...I only ever see such horror in 'non-Balkanized' JUSA
     
    Tomo's observations are precisely the reason why there won't be a civil war.
    In Peter Turchin's work he mentions Ibn Khaldun's idea of Asabiyyah(group cohesion). Which is essentially group fighting ability. My main thesis is that the U.S has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency, take note that the world in general has a huge Asabiyyah deficiency but it is most acute in the U.S.A.
    Yugoslavia, had strong social ties and community and brotherhood. Ironically it is these things that are needed to initiate a civil war and much more necessary to win one. These things are lacking in the U.S there is precisely zero chance of sufficient numbers of Americans organizing into an army and much less an effective army. This is true for all sides of the political spectrum. American culture and social conditions are not conducive to Asabiyyah and therefore not conducive to populism, collective action and the most difficult of collective actions which is war.
    The British Empire would reduce the Asabiyyah of soon-to-be-subjects by divide and conquer. Realize that the levels of division of Americans are so high that the majority have become atomized individuals, making it easy for an alien(or domestic) elite to rule over the atomized masses.

    Therefore there will never be a civil war and my original prediction stands.

    Replies: @SafeNow, @Anatoly Karlin, @Not Only Wrathful, @james wilson, @Europe Europa, @Mr. XYZ, @Rattus Norwegius

    There might be a more concrete reason as to why a civil war in the U.S. nowadays might be problematic. Specifically, the urban and suburban areas in the U.S. are largely blue whereas the rural areas are largely red. But their economies are probably too interconnected–or at least this is my own suspicion in regards to this!

  254. @Kent Nationalist
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Holocaust revisionists have very high IQs. The most famous ones have PHDs.

    But it is silly to even engage in these status games. Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Bashibuzuk, @Morton's toes, @Not Only Wrathful, @silviosilver

    Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.

    There are certainly intelligent Nazis, but on the whole, I find them moronic and very off-putting.

    I know it’s all the same to lefties and liberals – anyone evincing pro-white attitudes is a “nazi” in their debased minds – but to me it is obviously possible to be pro-white and simultaneously disdainful of Nazis. And not just as some “marketing” tactic, but as a deeply felt ideological and moral commitment.

    That said, I find that Nazis can sometimes be surprisingly insightful.

    One of my favorites Nazi lines is: only Nazis and Jews understand what is happening.

    Although it’s easy to quibble with and show that it’s not wholly accurate, it’s more profound than it seems at first glance. When a normie understands what it is trying to say, he will be much closer to comprehending political and racial reality than he is at present.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @silviosilver

    There are many kinds of Nazis IMO, so it's not even possible to generalize:

    (1) There are the OG Nazis - I like to call them NSDAPists to accentuate the point - who are (were) Germanic supremacists, ruthlessly focused on maximization of German living space and world power.

    (2) There are the much lower IQ modern WNs, who ahistorically believe Nazism to have been a White International, and embrace a loser's ideology to helpfully signal to TPTB that they should be repressed (except insofar as they can fulfill a role as useful idiots, as they do in e.g. Ukraine).

    (3) Probably bottom of the rung in this respect are the various Le 56% Face Nazis.

    (4) There are /pol/ type "ironic Nazi" shitlords. These are at least brighter and much more entertaining than (2).

    (5) Then I suppose one might have "practical Nazis" who adopt some aspects of Nazi policy wrt their own country while taking care not to associate it themselves with its toxic PR. Unlike (2) or (3), they are much more results focused.

  255. @Mr. XYZ
    @AP

    If Putin wanted to be an all-Rus nationalist, he should have aimed to integrate Russia (and Belarus) into the European Union in order to create a 300 million-strong Slavic bloc within the European Union.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    If Putin wanted to be an all-Rus nationalist, he should have aimed to integrate Russia (and Belarus) into the European Union in order to create a 300 million-strong Slavic bloc within the European Union.

    Such a decision isn’t Putin’s. The EU isn’t looking to take in Ukraine as a full fledged member, anytime soon if ever. Putin hasn’t been against Ukraine being a full member of the Eurasian Economic Union. The EU has a few too many pain the ass elements. Without Russian meddling , the EU is having problems.

  256. The EU isn’t looking to take in Ukraine as a full fledged member, anytime soon if ever.

    Ukraine could become an EU member around 2050, if it’s lucky, or much later than that, if it’s unlucky.

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
  257. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level.
     
    Correct. I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor "cultural" differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.

    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because "brother nations" also happen to hate each other the most ("narcissism of small differences"). You can't wish it away.

    The Irish tribes were much closer to each other when the English came to colonize Ireland. They still sold each other out and stabbed each other out, because they hated their own more than the interloper.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver, @Bies Podkrakowski, @AP

    I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor “cultural” differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.

    Poles are considerably less homophobic than Russians are, though.

  258. @Shortsword
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://twitter.com/Alexey_Pushkov/status/468318595613982720

    This? That probably includes a lot more than gas subsidies. Like joint projects and Russia keeping various Ukrainian industries alive. But Ukraine still undoubtedly received a lot from gas subsidies.

    In hindsight it seems like a bad choice of subsidies. It doesn't give leverage. Stopping the gas subsidies and requiring Ukraine to pay market price just creates anger. Would be better off giving away cheap loans. Requiring repayment also creates anger but at least there is potential for recuperation of costs.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    Makes sense!

  259. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    By the way I don’t think that I’m a Russian nationalist, nor I have ever claimed to be a one.
     
    Sorry, again, as per above, I confused who I was replying to. 5 am poasting.

    I think Kremlins also think that in the longer run it would be better if Donbass would get an autonomous status as a part of Ukraine.
     
    Seems that was broadly the plan during 2015-2019. Then it was progressively given up upon.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ

    But emotionally and morally speaking there are no people more deserving of Russian citizenship and protection than people of Donbass.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  260. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree with what you wrote. But we must also keep in mind that populations mainly do what their elites entice or order them to do. A lot or Russians have Polish or PLC roots, this is my case on one side of my family : Orthodox Poles or Ruthenians, hard to say nowadays, it was probably the same thing backbin the 18 century.

    When left alone among Russians, the Poles usually integrate in a few generations. Same about Russians among Poles. This is what I call compatible ethnic groups. In the future, when the elites will perhaps become increasingly more globalizing and anti-national, we might be left with only this type of compatibility to rebuild ethnic ensembles : who are our clan and kin? Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    : who are our clan and kin? Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon

    Sounds quite racial, where you draw the borders with such policy? Russians are genetically much more diverse group as a people than Poles or Ukrainians, so at least Russian Imperialism could work with such direction. Still ethnic similarity is not a guarantee for similar beliefs or attitudes, or how do you explain 30 years war, or hundreds of years of strife between Catholics and Protestants. There was no large difference in blood between various German principalities, or between Dutch and Flemish, or between Huguenots and French Catholics. Blood alone is not strong enough bond to keep communities together. Who else fought as much between themselves as ancient Hellenes in their greatest glory?

    But what then if not blood can ensure the cohesion, survival and continuity of peoples? Answer lies in a good choice of a religion….

  261. @songbird
    @AltanBakshi

    I don't doubt that the Russian price is fair. It just seems like it would take a bite out of the average person with a car. My impression is that car costs in Russia are high - didn't they pioneer using car cams for insurance purposes?


    Do you know how much petrol costs in India? More than 1.10 USD per litre!
     
    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from, even if I think he should delay his plans to drop every car into a crusher, until he has driven the USA from coast-to-coast, utilizing a combustion engine with at least 6 cylinders.

    Replies: @A123, @AltanBakshi

    Yes cars are surprisingly expensive in Russia, because of import tariffs I think? I’m not sure but I believe that Russia is trying to protect local car industry with them, but who wants to drive with Lada? Except Lada Niva, they are trash. Still it’s a strategic investment to have a local auto industry, so to have such policy is quite understandable.

    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from

    Someone here said that TF is Hindu, is that true TF? It would be a pleasant surprise to have you in Dharmic gang.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    @AltanBakshi


    Top 10 best-selling car brands in February 2021:

    1-Lada. 2-Kia. 3-Hyundai. 4-Renault. 5-Toyota. 6-Skoda. 7-Volkswagen. 8-Nissan. 9-GAZ LCV. 10-Mazda.

    Top 10 best-selling car models in February 2021:

    1-Lada Granta. 2-Kia Rio. 3-Lada Vesta. 4-Hyundai Creta. 5-Hyundai Solaris. 6-Lada Niva (4×4). 7-Volkswagen Polo. 8-Toyota RAV4. 9-Lada Largus. 10- Skoda Rapid PA II.

    All 10 models are manufactured in Russia.
     
    http://rusautonews.com/2021/03/04/russian-car-market-has-increased-by-1-in-february-2021/
  262. @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.
     
    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today's civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century "nationalist" should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of "nationalism". I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don't know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am...

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltanBakshi, @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century “nationalist” should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    I have said many times on this site that I am “not a nationalist.” However, that certainly doesn’t mean that I am a “one-worlder” or a “humanist” or that I am unconcerned about how closely related I am to other humans (or groups of humans). On the contrary, this is a question I am extremely concerned with, and it’s precisely the sort of considerations you have outlined above that I mull over in trying to reach a satisfactory answer.

    My shorthand term for this project is “racialism,” because even though racial likeness, in and of itself, is by no means sufficient for me to feel close to someone, it’s nevertheless indispensable to true feelings of closeness. I also like it because it clearly and unambiguously distinguishes my leanings from mainstream conservatism – in which race is not supposed to count at all – despite my sharing many concerns with mainstream conservatives.

    On the other hand, I’m not all together comfortable with “racialism,” because I feel it brings me uncomfortably close to Nazi types, who obsess over race far more intensely than I do. For instance, they tend towards eliminating as many people from racial inclusion as is feasible, whereas I tend towards including as many people as is feasible (ie while still retaining a basic racial likeness). They tend to be racial purists (extremely concerned over even microscopic, visually undetectable bits of alien racial ancestry), whereas I prefer a “ball park,” close-enough-is-good-enough kind of standard. They are “micro-racialists”; I am a “macro-racialist.”

    Probably the most important distinction between these two views of racialism is that the Nazi types tend to feel just as negatively towards people who fail to make the racial grade for inclusion by a small degree as they do towards people who fail to make the grade by a vast degree. (Eg Sicilian or Nigerian, to them it’s all the same worthless shit.) In contrast, I feel much more positively towards people who differ from me only slightly than I do towards people who differ from me greatly. (Eg an Arab or a Turk, I may not always see them as racially close enough to me, but it’s much more the cultural difference I take exception to than the racial difference; with a Nigerian, I don’t even bother considering the cultural differences because the racial difference is already off-putting enough.)

    When it comes to neighboring nations, who share vast amounts of racial and cultural similarities with me, there’s no question at all that I prefer to find reasons to feel close to them than to find reasons to distance myself from them or to hate them.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
  263. @Bashibuzuk
    @AP


    But I think you are an all-Rus nationalist, not a Great Russian nationalist.
     
    From an historical perspective, nations are a recent invention. Majority of them are hardly older than 500 years. The sedentary civilization is some 12 000 years old, while the presence of our ancestors in Eurasia is probably around 45 000 old. Our species is supposedly around 250 000 years old.

    Despite being a recent phenomenon, the existence of nations is already challenged by the globalization. No one is certain about nation states still being the main form of social organization by the end of the twenty first century.

    OTOH, human populations, traditional cultures, spiritual teachings and genetic lineages have a longer lifetime than nations. Guillaume Faye has described an Archeofuturist scenario where science and technology somewhat continue to exist, but (post)modern Western societies revert to a pre-national social organization. Alain de Benoist has put an emphasis on the importance of cultural links as defining the civilizational background of people, their identity. People such as Klyosov have helped define the genetic lineage of populations and described their migrations and transformations.

    Some White Nationalists believe that Western societies are beyond the point where they could be oriented towards the well-being of the European-descended people. They think that Whites need to learn to live as clans and tribal communities in a hostile environment. Others believe in a racial or religious conflict with other ethnic groups. The most extreme want to destroy today's civilization and rebuild White civilization from scratch and make it an empire that would destroy all other competng cultures.

    All these considerations bring me to the conclusion that perhaps instead of an orientation towards a nation state, a twenty first century "nationalist" should try looking into the genetic lineages of the nation he feels attached to. Are these genetic lineages really different from the neighboring nations? Are cultures, languages, religions of the populations compatible or not? Would they be stronger if they live together than if they lived separately?

    That is my type of "nationalism". I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level. They have more or less the same religion and mutually understandable languages. They would be stronger together, than if they remained separated.

    If we want these populations to grow and thrive, we should encourage the reconciliation, not irredentism. Those who encourage ethnic strife and mutual resentment are doing a very harmful thing. Those who fanned the flames of mutual resentment up to the point of open war are criminals. This craziness must stop as soon as possible by any means necessary.

    This is my opinion about this topic, I don't know if it actually qualifies as any form of nationalism. Perhaps AK is right and Margarita Simonian is more of a Russian nationalist than I am...

    🙂

    Replies: @AP, @Anatoly Karlin, @AltanBakshi, @silviosilver, @silviosilver

    I agree with you that what we think of today as “nations” are of a fairly recent vintage, and that much of their self-conception has been deliberately manufactured. In this, I follow Victor Roudometoff’s outline of this process:

    The fundamental logic of these [nationalist] narratives entails the following steps:

    1. A “quest for origins” according to which the researcher’s task is to trace the
    beginnings of a people as far back in history as possible;

    2. The construction of continuity among the different historical periods, thereby
    showing the preservation of a “people’s” culture, tradition, and mentality;

    3. The identification of periods of glory and decline, including moral judgments
    regarding the actions of other collectivities vis-à-vis the nation; and

    4. The quest for meaning and purpose, the identification of a destiny revealed in the
    progression of history, or what might be called a semi-Hegelian interpretation of
    history.

    I think it would be instructive for us if AK were to indicate which, if any, of these steps his own Russian nationalism incorporates. But since you already asked him to define what Russian nationalism means to him and he preferred to dodge it with a cheap debating point, I doubt we’ll get an answer, so we’ll just have to speculate.

    (1) I doubt he has any deep-seated interest in any origins project, unless it can be used to prove that Russians are older than Ukrainians and that the latter are thus “fake and gay.”

    (2) I doubt he has any interest in proving that there is something unique or real about “the Russian soul,” and that it has remained essentially unchanged throughout history, though I think he would – however reluctantly – feel it’s important to establish some kind of continuity in Russian identity throughout the ages, to deny that Russians ever have or ever could have seen themselves as anything but Russians, because otherwise it would open the door to Belarusians or Ukrainians defining themselves out of Russianness.

    (3) He does seem keen to identify “historical enemies” – Latvians figure prominently here – and to nurse grudges against them.

    (4) He doesn’t seem at all interested in using history to establish what it means to be Russian, to define a Russian “national life purpose,” or anything of this sort, which he probably – and if so, correctly – sees as veering into fascism.

    Overall, he seems to be more of a state nationalist than an ethnic nationalist. That is, he is interested in justifying Russia’s hold on its present territories as well as its former territories, as well as in reincorporating those former territories into Russia, regardless of whether those territories contain self-identified Russians or not. Any views he advances on Russian nationality or Russian ethnicity or Russian culture can be expected to be colored by, or shaped by, this state expansionist imperative.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @silviosilver

    I have written about those things before so I don't feel know why it is incumbent upon me to repeat them.

  264. @songbird
    @Thulean Friend


    and meet Dmitry who will visit once in a while.
     
    I think Dmitry likes to make the point that Israel is not a first world country, but a mix of first and third world without being either one.

    I am also disinclined to agree with BB. I think Israel does not vote like a first world country - which seems like a pretty big distinction. Though, supposedly, you can drink the tapwater there - which is generally my go to definition for "first world."

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Dmitry, @reiner Tor

    In Hungary in the 1980s we drank tap water all the time.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    @reiner Tor

    btw, what's the deal with kinda surge of virus now in Hungary, despite having both RF and China vaccines? Are those faster spreading variants responsible for that or something else?

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    , @songbird
    @reiner Tor

    I wonder if they even sold normal bottled water in the Eastern Bloc. I'd guess not, but if they did, it probably wasn't cheap.

    I think the tap water definition works well enough for China now, with its capitalist blend. I don't know how well it works for most communist countries retroactively. But one could probably play around with it to make it work more reliably. Like fluoridation - they might be getting rid of this in the US! Or hot and cold coming out of one tap.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

  265. @reiner Tor
    @songbird

    In Hungary in the 1980s we drank tap water all the time.

    Replies: @sudden death, @songbird

    btw, what’s the deal with kinda surge of virus now in Hungary, despite having both RF and China vaccines? Are those faster spreading variants responsible for that or something else?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @sudden death

    Faster spreading and probably more dangerous. Apparently now lots of young people and even children in hospitals. The healthcare system is on the verge of collapse.

  266. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk


    That is my type of “nationalism”. I believe that Eastern Slavs are compatible on cultural level and very close on genetic level.
     
    Correct. I myself was surprised to see how close Poles were to Russians psychologically, minor "cultural" differences like Catholicism/Orthodoxy aside.

    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because "brother nations" also happen to hate each other the most ("narcissism of small differences"). You can't wish it away.

    The Irish tribes were much closer to each other when the English came to colonize Ireland. They still sold each other out and stabbed each other out, because they hated their own more than the interloper.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. XYZ, @silviosilver, @Bies Podkrakowski, @AP

    It also happens to be irrelevant IMO, because “brother nations” also happen to hate each other the most (“narcissism of small differences”). You can’t wish it away.

    The “narcissism of small differences” is nice-sounding but ultimately fatuous. When people of these nations encounter each other in diaspora communities, the differences don’t change, but the behavior of these people towards each other often does. Typically, they are far friendlier to each other than would be predicted by the narcissism of small differences hypothesis.

    I am not even talking about a cucky ‘anti-racist’ types either; I have seen plenty of examples of hardcore Serbian and Albanian nationalists preferring to befriend each other than to befriend, I don’t know, whatever else is on offer. How could this happen if they were under the sway of the narcissism of small differences? It seems to me that these small differences are brining these people closer rather than pushing them apart.

    Of course, back in the home countries, these people really do hate each other, and would probably prefer to beat each other up than befriend each other. But I think the reason for that has more to do with the fact that their nations, by being located next to each other for so long, have had more opportunities to war on and mistreat each other, and to pass on the bad blood for generation after generation, than it has to do with any presumed “narcissism.”

    You can’t wish it away.

    Sadly, you can’t. But just as sadly, nationalists are wont to characterize any steps to heal old wounds or to bridge divides as naive attempts to “wish away” ancient hatreds, doomed to fail, as all impossible tasks are. Personally, I find it hard to escape the impression that nationalists simply aren’t interested in ending ancient hatreds; they prefer to nurse them and even revel in them.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    @silviosilver


    hardcore Serbian and Albanian nationalists preferring to befriend each other than to befriend, I don’t know, whatever else is on offer
     
    I certainly know of a number of Croats having Serb buddies. I know of Serbian women befriending Albanian women. Albanian-Serb (male) friendship is something I haven’t encountered, but I can imagine it. Actually now I seem to vaguely remember the husbands of an Albanian and a Serbian woman talking to each other in a friendly manner, but I’m not sure how much they even knew each other. Their wives were best girlfriends. (But that’s often not very deep, women being women and all that.)
  267. @AltanBakshi
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms


    Manchus are the latest in waves of Inner Asian peoples to assimilate. Northern Hans tend to have kins on family tree who descended from them so don’t make a point to distinguish. Most of them are Altaic/Siberian and some Indo-Euros.

    with scripts
    Jurchen/Mongol/Khitan/Gokturk/Tanguts
     

    Oh boy, where should I start! Jürchens are Manchus, so you made an artificial distinction between them for some curious and puzzling reason? Mongols were never assimilated by the Han, I as a man of Mongol heritage can say this to you. Mongol and Han intermarriage was prohibited by Qing laws. Khitans were expelled, by the Jürchens from China and now they are mostly extinct, though the small ethnic group of Daurs is probably their descendant. Göktürks were also not assimilated by the Han, their closest living relatives are the modern day Tuvans, Kazakhs and Uyghurs. Tanguts were mostly exterminated by the Mongols, survivors were probably assimilated by Amdo Tibetans.

    Only Manchus were assimilated in your list of peoples, and I have one Manchu friend, though he doesn't make noise about his Manchu ethnicity, it's clear to me after all these years of friendship that he is silently very proud about it, but I think that hundreds of years of living as a minority amidst the ocean of Han has made them wise and cunning about these matters. Most Han who claim Manchu heritage do not really have Manchu blood, but Han Bannermen blood instead.


    Xianbei/Five Barbarians
     
    Xianbei are direct ancestors of Mongols, haven't seen Han Gers or yurts yet, yup Five Barbarians were assimilated by the Han.

    Pretty easy sell to get them to give up their feral lifestyles when the alternative is higher standard of living with cultivated learning.
     
    In the eyes of great Qing emperors like Qianlong and Kangxi Han were degenerate, especially the southerners, Han are not degenerate on my opinion, but Northern Han are superior and should be in control, like Xi Jinping! Sad that vast majority of Han in the West are southerners, their cuisine is inferior. Anyway there was no assimilation of nomads north of the Great wall, don't know why you need to make up these fairytales about the past. "Cultivated learning?" Confucian Mongol or Turkic scholar-officials? What have you been smoking? Only cultivated learning North of wall was Tibetan learning, not Han. The divide between agricultural and sedentary folks of plains (Han) and the nomads of steppes was not primarily because of cultural reasons, or because nomads lacked refinement and culture, but because of the harsh nature of steppes, where wheat and rice do not grow. No Han state could ever control steppes, though temporarily Tang did, but their dynasty was partially or fully of steppe origin, only steppe invader dynasties like Jin, Yuan and Qing could control the steppes more or less permanently. All those invader dynasties tried to keep their ethnic ruling elite separate from Han.

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Good stuff, now we are talking shop. I’ll go in chronological order,

    Xianbei was one of the Five Barbarians, after the fall of Qin/Han/Jin (First Empire) they would overrun northern China by 5th CE. Later they would become found the partially sinicized Northern Wei, and mixed with Hans to found fully sinicized Sui/Tang dynasties 7th CE (Second Empire)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Sinicization_and_assimilation

    And some did not sinicize and likely became ancestors to Mongols
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Language

    Gokturks were conquered by the Tang, 7th CE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks#Conquest_by_the_Tang
    And one of their kins, Shatuo, would go on to found sinicized dynasties that took part in the politics of Central Plains, 10th CE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatuo#Five_Dynasties

    Tanguts used a Hanzi-based script and also founded a sinicized dynasty, Western Xia 11th CE. Unfortunately they are gone because a martial Buddhist Tibetic people in the Gansu corridor seems really cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangut_people#Appearance

    Khitan Liao Dynasty 10th CE were also heavily sinicized when they fell to the still unsinicized Jurchens. So some fled west to form the Western Liao while some served Jin. After Mongol conquest of Jin, one of member of Liao imperial clan would become the Great Khan’s key advisors, Yelü Chucai, 13th CE

    a vigorous adviser and administrator of the early Mongol Empire in the Confucian tradition

    He did his best to convince the Mongols to tax rather than slaughter conquered peoples. 

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yel%C3%BC_Chucai

    At the time of Mongol Conquest of Jin Dynasty 13th CE Jurchens are already heavily sinicized, furthermore,

    Under the Mongols’ control, the Jurchens were divided into two groups and treated differently: the ones who were born and raised in North China and fluent in Chinese were considered to be Chinese (Han), but the people who were born and raised in the Jurchen homeland (Manchuria) without Chinese-speaking abilities were treated as Mongols politically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_people#Origins_and_early_history

    So some Jurchens fully sinicized while others remained „wild“, and would mix with Hans and Koreans to become the Jianzhou Jurchen, later to become Manchus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people

    Nurhachi would later come to consolidate/lead this group 17th CE. Whereas Jurchens used a Hanzi based script, Manchus used Mongolian (initially Aramaic based) script.

    One thing about makes Manchu assimilation touchy is the imperial clan is seen as having colluded with the Japanese in the founding of Manchukuo.

    Lastly the Mongols, who obviously hardly at all sinicized. But Yongle Emperor 14th CE was reputedly half-Mongol from maternal line, which is probably why he is one the most ever fearsome emperors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor#Youth
    This says a lot considering the Mings are always considered legitimately Han Chinese, but are actually heavily Inner Asian influenced.

    were degenerate, especially the southerners, Han are not degenerate on my opinion, but Northern Han are superior and should be in control

    Please let’s not do the North vs. Southern Chinese debate, there are terabytes of shitpoasts in Sinosphere spilled over this. I used the term „feral“ in jest, there are obvious downsides to cultivation like soft gheyness. You guys are welcome to not assimilate otherwise there wouldn’t be so many Mongol Yokozunas

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

    Okay we both were half right, those steppe people who lived in China proper got assimilated, but those who stayed North of the wall, did not. Quite simple.


    Tanguts used a Hanzi-based script and also founded a sinicized dynasty
     
    But Vietnamese and Koreans used Hanzi script and had sinicized dynasties, still that does not prove that they were assimilated by Han.

    Khitan Liao Dynasty 10th CE were also heavily sinicized when they fell to the still unsinicized Jurchens. So some fled west to form the Western Liao while some served Jin. After Mongol conquest of Jin, one of member of Liao imperial clan would become the Great Khan’s key advisors, Yelü Chucai, 13th CE
     
    Khitans are Mongolic people, so no wonder if they had good relations with them.

    One thing about makes Manchu assimilation touchy is the imperial clan is seen as having colluded with the Japanese in the founding of Manchukuo.
     
    It's a shame, it's a huge shame without comparison in the history of dynasties, even Chongzhen's suicide and the end of Ming was not so shameful as the deeds of Puyi were, he utterly tarnished the good name of Qing.

    Lastly the Mongols, who obviously hardly at all sinicized. But Yongle Emperor 14th CE was reputedly half-Mongol from maternal line, which is probably why he is one the most ever fearsome emperors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor#Youth
    This says a lot considering the Mings are always considered legitimately Han Chinese, but are actually heavily Inner Asian influenced.
     
    I didn't know that Yongle was half Mongolian, interesting and it partially explains why he was so supportive towards Tibetan Buddhism. In my opinion Yongle was one the greatest men of whole Chinese history, he was a good and ambitious ruler, and a genuinely Buddhist man. I truly pray that one day China or Russia would be blessed with such a fine ruler as Emperor Yongle.

    https://www.asianart.com/articles/yongle/index.html


    Please let’s not do the North vs. Southern Chinese debate, there are terabytes of shitpoasts in Sinosphere spilled over this. I used the term „feral“ in jest, there are obvious downsides to cultivation like soft gheyness. You guys are welcome to not assimilate otherwise there wouldn’t be so many Mongol Yokozunas
     
    As you wish, but the differences in mentality between North and South is greater than the difference between Italian and German, Southerners can't even drink...

    Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms

  268. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AP

    Putin is not an explicit nationalist himself.

    However, his most often quoted philosopher is Ivan Ilyin. Second: Berdyaev. So he is clearly, at a minimum, much less "sovok" than the average post-sovok bureaucrat.

    Nationalist-in-all-but-name governors have been able to govern and implement de facto nationalist programs under his regime, e.g. https://acer120.livejournal.com/175345.html (Tver was doing pretty well when I visited in 2019: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/tver-2019/)

    I am more interested in results than optics, so I don't feel the need to counter-signal what's clearly becoming a better deal with every year.

    To some extent, I suppose there might even be an ironic parallel with Brezhnev, in whose later years a "Russian Party" within the CPSU became quite influential (before being dismantled under Andropov). Ironic because the usual parallels made between Putin and Brezhnev are not the flattering kind.

    Replies: @reiner Tor

    Brezhnev was not stupid and he was a more capable leader than people usually believe.

    A big weakness of the Soviet system was that a leader usually needed three to five years to stabilize his rule (and he obviously avoided any major policy changes during that period), because he was nominally only a bureaucrat (“general secretary” or “first secretary”) and not even a real political leader. Shortly after Brezhnev stabilized his rule (it took him pretty long, because he started out as the most junior member of the Politburo), he had a stroke, after which he lost his capacity to work, and he was just healthy enough to keep his power and outmaneuver potential rivals (another weakness of the Soviet system was that the party leader had no fixed terms and could be removed any time, creating the need to constantly scheme to avoid being replaced, leaving no energy to actually govern), but this didn’t leave much energy to actually engage in far reaching policy changes.

    Also, arguably it was very difficult to reform the Soviet economy, when Gorbachev tried it in 1987 (after some very limited political reforms), he caused a severe economic crisis (and couldn’t undo the changes and the resulting erosion of the central control over the economy), and this was the biggest reason he drifted towards further political reform (which then destroyed the USSR altogether).

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  269. @AltanBakshi
    @songbird

    Yes cars are surprisingly expensive in Russia, because of import tariffs I think? I'm not sure but I believe that Russia is trying to protect local car industry with them, but who wants to drive with Lada? Except Lada Niva, they are trash. Still it's a strategic investment to have a local auto industry, so to have such policy is quite understandable.


    I have sympathy with Indians just for having to drive on choked streets, so I can understand where TF is coming from

     

    Someone here said that TF is Hindu, is that true TF? It would be a pleasant surprise to have you in Dharmic gang.

    Replies: @Mitleser

    Top 10 best-selling car brands in February 2021:

    1-Lada. 2-Kia. 3-Hyundai. 4-Renault. 5-Toyota. 6-Skoda. 7-Volkswagen. 8-Nissan. 9-GAZ LCV. 10-Mazda.

    Top 10 best-selling car models in February 2021:

    1-Lada Granta. 2-Kia Rio. 3-Lada Vesta. 4-Hyundai Creta. 5-Hyundai Solaris. 6-Lada Niva (4×4). 7-Volkswagen Polo. 8-Toyota RAV4. 9-Lada Largus. 10- Skoda Rapid PA II.

    All 10 models are manufactured in Russia.

    http://rusautonews.com/2021/03/04/russian-car-market-has-increased-by-1-in-february-2021/

    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
  270. @Anatoly Karlin
    @AltanBakshi


    ... just endless money sink of rump-Donbass
     
    Again, sorry to keep coming back to this point, but you keep claiming to be a Russian nationalist, but then raise these Echo of Moscow/Navalnyist/RFERL/State Department talking points which should not only be irrelevant from a "spiritual" (which you are into) Russian national perspective (counting the value of Russian unity in shekels), but also happen to be factually wrong to boot (Donbass subsidies are a rounding error in the context of the Russian budget). Also I should point out that before the war Donbass was Ukraine's richest region after Kiev, it's hardly a basketcase by default. Integrated into Russia, it will likely become a net donor after a decade.

    This is why Gerard is suspicious about your true motivations. OK, so he's some sort of vatnik nutcase, but even I have began to think along similar lines.

    At least with Zaporozhye or Kharkov Russia would have had some valuable industries like Motor Sich(what a prize!) or Malyshev Tank factory, and not just old coal mines and steel plants.
     
    They aren't worth much per se after a generation of atrophy. From a purely functional perspective, Ukraine is valuable primarily for its human capital, not for some Soviet-era rustbelt factories which Russia has itself long replicated in many cases. A Russian with 200M people with ~97 average IQs (Russia + Ukraine + Belarus) will be more powerful, capable of asserting its sovereignty, and accomplishing meaningful thing than one with 150M.

    Those who have the same blood (genetic lineage) and think in a compatible way. Those who are part of your extended genetic family and whom you can rely upon.
     
    This strikes me as painfully naive. Again, siblings are the most likely to stab each other in the back. Good walls make for good neighbors, as the English say.

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AltanBakshi, @Mr. XYZ, @AP, @reiner Tor

    before the war Donbass was Ukraine’s richest region after Kiev, it’s hardly a basketcase by default

    It was the richest region because it provided two sources of hard cash on international markets: coal, and steel. Otherwise, it had the highest or close to highest crime rate, HIV rate, lowest fertility rate in Ukraine and in the Slavic world. An analogy would be, say, annexing a dysfunctional but oil-rich region of Africa. A basketcase, but one providing hard currency.

  271. @AltanBakshi
    @Bashibuzuk


    Your maternal ancestors were better than your paternal ones (but I don’t blame you for defending both, it’s the decent thing to do, as it’s your family).
     
    You confuse me, so my relative who was in NKVD was the good guy in your opinion, and those who fought the Red Army were bad guys? Weren't you an Ukrainian nationalist of Galician origins just some time ago?

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @AP

    No I meant the opposite. Perhaps you miswrote or I misread which side of the family these people were coming from.

  272. @melanf
    @AP


    Since we have had Viktor Bout, someone should at least post pictures of women on this open threat. Here are Ukrainian army girls: https://img.112.international/original/2018/03/07/271522.jpg

     

    If you compare it with the north of Russia, you can easily see the difference between the anthropological types of Southern Europe and Northern Europe.

    https://stihi.ru/pics/2017/03/22/6725.jpg

    http://rekvest.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0.jpg

    Presumably its descendants of the Paleolithic hunters of Europe (in the North) and Neolithic migrants from the Middle East (in the South).

    But if you exclude anthropology these girls in military uniforms are a 90% meaningless phenomenon (since they are militarily useless if not harmful)

    Replies: @AP

    Most of the northern Russian ones look more like Finns than like Slavs. The second one from the right looks a little Ukrainian.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    @AP

    And how does the typical Slav look like? Not like Bulgarians I think? Who are surprisingly dark, but who still are descended from the first Slavs known to history.

    Replies: @AP

    , @melanf
    @AP


    Most of the northern Russian ones look more like Finns than like Slavs.
     
    As has been repeatedly stated, the Slavs are a language group whose representatives are divided into several genetic clusters. All of them are equally Slavs. Similarly, Finno-speaking ethnic groups have different origins and different appearance.

    Here is a typical Slav from Samara. Do you think he looks more like a Slav or a Finn?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJUvtfVUwAAk6Yv.png

    Replies: @A123, @Bashibuzuk, @Daniel Chieh, @AP, @Not Raul

  273. @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I have not attempted to humiliate you, just challenged you a bit. And I did not feel humiliated by your remarks about my émigré ossified mindset or my neo-Pagan Kolovrat LARPing.

    There are not much things that I do take seriously on "teh internets". In real life it's different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to "filter one's bazaar ".

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let's just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.

    BTW this is Прощeное Воскресенье today for all Russian Orthodox Christians. I don't think we both qualify as devout Christian types, but for what it's worth:

    https://static.apostrophe.ua/uploads/image/544586939c26d63b443f011e77798487.jpg

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Anatoly Karlin

    Thanks. Just to clear things up:

    There are not much things that I do take seriously on “teh internets”. In real life it’s different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to “filter one’s bazaar “.

    I am not interested in “filtering my bazaar” – what a noxious phrase, as if one is talking to some double-dealing Azeri carpet seller. I would tell anybody demanding that of me to go to hell (and have).

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let’s just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.

    FWIW, when I say you live in an emigrant time bubble, this is not to insult you but because this describes reality in my frank opinion. This is yet another example. That is not how Russia in general works these days, and it is most certainly not how Moscow works.

    The main Nazi Gypsies (as Nesterov memorably termed them) on Twitter unsuccessfully demanding an apology from me literally consisted of:

    (1) A Russo-Ukrainian/American former Daily Stormer writer who repatriated to SPB and now runs this cringe shit: https://pravcheloveka.net/

    (2) An Armenian in France.

    (3) An obese hookah lounge owner in SPB.

    (So, out of three people, a Caucasoid who doesn’t even live in Russia, and a Nazi who grew up in the US and has devoted the past few years of his life to spreading Anglin’s memes about “putting women in cages” and the like to his cult of… a few dozen adolescent Twitter followers).

    They run a “Inquisition” that compiles lists of “xenos” and “heretics” in a very cringe wh40k larp which now consists of something like a 1/3 of all active nationalists on Twitter: https://twitter.com/inquisition_hq/status/1291791834432393223

    I hardly ever apologize (there are good reasons for it) and was certainly not going to start with these freaks.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Haven't you ever felt that you've wronged somebody, either intentionally or not? Being impervious to the process of forgiveness, either to somebody else or having somebody forgive you, is to live within a real "hardass" bubble, IMHO?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @Anatoly Karlin


    some double-dealing Azeri carpet seller
     
    Фильтровать базар надо по понятиям, иначе можно попутать рамсы и закончить свои понты обиженным фраером у душистой параши.

    That's right from the 90ies, the spirit of that era channelled through my humble person, addressing the future generations. Tesak should have listened to this wise advice, OTOH he did not have a useful second citizenship to escape to the fake and gay Western freedom.

    In any case: за одного битого двух небитых дают...
  274. @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi

    Good stuff, now we are talking shop. I’ll go in chronological order,

    Xianbei was one of the Five Barbarians, after the fall of Qin/Han/Jin (First Empire) they would overrun northern China by 5th CE. Later they would become found the partially sinicized Northern Wei, and mixed with Hans to found fully sinicized Sui/Tang dynasties 7th CE (Second Empire)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Sinicization_and_assimilation

    And some did not sinicize and likely became ancestors to Mongols
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xianbei#Language

    Gokturks were conquered by the Tang, 7th CE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6kt%C3%BCrks#Conquest_by_the_Tang
    And one of their kins, Shatuo, would go on to found sinicized dynasties that took part in the politics of Central Plains, 10th CE
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatuo#Five_Dynasties

    Tanguts used a Hanzi-based script and also founded a sinicized dynasty, Western Xia 11th CE. Unfortunately they are gone because a martial Buddhist Tibetic people in the Gansu corridor seems really cool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangut_people#Appearance

    Khitan Liao Dynasty 10th CE were also heavily sinicized when they fell to the still unsinicized Jurchens. So some fled west to form the Western Liao while some served Jin. After Mongol conquest of Jin, one of member of Liao imperial clan would become the Great Khan’s key advisors, Yelü Chucai, 13th CE


    a vigorous adviser and administrator of the early Mongol Empire in the Confucian tradition

     


    He did his best to convince the Mongols to tax rather than slaughter conquered peoples. 

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yel%C3%BC_Chucai

    At the time of Mongol Conquest of Jin Dynasty 13th CE Jurchens are already heavily sinicized, furthermore,

    Under the Mongols' control, the Jurchens were divided into two groups and treated differently: the ones who were born and raised in North China and fluent in Chinese were considered to be Chinese (Han), but the people who were born and raised in the Jurchen homeland (Manchuria) without Chinese-speaking abilities were treated as Mongols politically.

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_people#Origins_and_early_history

    So some Jurchens fully sinicized while others remained „wild“, and would mix with Hans and Koreans to become the Jianzhou Jurchen, later to become Manchus
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people

    Nurhachi would later come to consolidate/lead this group 17th CE. Whereas Jurchens used a Hanzi based script, Manchus used Mongolian (initially Aramaic based) script.

    One thing about makes Manchu assimilation touchy is the imperial clan is seen as having colluded with the Japanese in the founding of Manchukuo.

    Lastly the Mongols, who obviously hardly at all sinicized. But Yongle Emperor 14th CE was reputedly half-Mongol from maternal line, which is probably why he is one the most ever fearsome emperors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor#Youth
    This says a lot considering the Mings are always considered legitimately Han Chinese, but are actually heavily Inner Asian influenced.

    were degenerate, especially the southerners, Han are not degenerate on my opinion, but Northern Han are superior and should be in control

     

    Please let’s not do the North vs. Southern Chinese debate, there are terabytes of shitpoasts in Sinosphere spilled over this. I used the term „feral“ in jest, there are obvious downsides to cultivation like soft gheyness. You guys are welcome to not assimilate otherwise there wouldn’t be so many Mongol Yokozunas

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ilvOsP22NM

    Replies: @AltanBakshi

    Okay we both were half right, those steppe people who lived in China proper got assimilated, but those who stayed North of the wall, did not. Quite simple.

    Tanguts used a Hanzi-based script and also founded a sinicized dynasty

    But Vietnamese and Koreans used Hanzi script and had sinicized dynasties, still that does not prove that they were assimilated by Han.

    Khitan Liao Dynasty 10th CE were also heavily sinicized when they fell to the still unsinicized Jurchens. So some fled west to form the Western Liao while some served Jin. After Mongol conquest of Jin, one of member of Liao imperial clan would become the Great Khan’s key advisors, Yelü Chucai, 13th CE

    Khitans are Mongolic people, so no wonder if they had good relations with them.

    One thing about makes Manchu assimilation touchy is the imperial clan is seen as having colluded with the Japanese in the founding of Manchukuo.

    It’s a shame, it’s a huge shame without comparison in the history of dynasties, even Chongzhen’s suicide and the end of Ming was not so shameful as the deeds of Puyi were, he utterly tarnished the good name of Qing.

    Lastly the Mongols, who obviously hardly at all sinicized. But Yongle Emperor 14th CE was reputedly half-Mongol from maternal line, which is probably why he is one the most ever fearsome emperors
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor#Youth
    This says a lot considering the Mings are always considered legitimately Han Chinese, but are actually heavily Inner Asian influenced.

    I didn’t know that Yongle was half Mongolian, interesting and it partially explains why he was so supportive towards Tibetan Buddhism. In my opinion Yongle was one the greatest men of whole Chinese history, he was a good and ambitious ruler, and a genuinely Buddhist man. I truly pray that one day China or Russia would be blessed with such a fine ruler as Emperor Yongle.

    https://www.asianart.com/articles/yongle/index.html

    Please let’s not do the North vs. Southern Chinese debate, there are terabytes of shitpoasts in Sinosphere spilled over this. I used the term „feral“ in jest, there are obvious downsides to cultivation like soft gheyness. You guys are welcome to not assimilate otherwise there wouldn’t be so many Mongol Yokozunas

    As you wish, but the differences in mentality between North and South is greater than the difference between Italian and German, Southerners can’t even drink…

    • Replies: @China Japan and Korea Bromance of Three Kingdoms
    @AltanBakshi

    Vietnam, Korea, Japan are Sinitic-derived cultures (just so no one gets on my goat, this is same as saying Tibet is a Indic-derived culture); who are never going to assimilate for simple geographical reasons.

    Whereas Liao, Jin, Yuan and Qing each ruled over large swathes of Central Plain Hans. It was never their plan to sinicize. But to legitimatize their rule, they had to 1) officialize Chinese language and script, 2) at least partially adopt Confucian meritocratic bureaucracy. If they do this they get 1) retainers who will serve loyally to death even against other Hans; 2) naval/siege technical expertise for terrains where they don’t have an advantage. If they don’t some of those limp-wristed scholars will turn into determined martyrs.

    But over time they inevitable indulge in concubines and composing literature and lost their martial edge. That goes for Liao and Jin. The Yuan sensed this and when the war against Ming wasn’t going well instead of going for a final Vernichtungsschlacht (battle of annihilation) they simply retreated to the steppes to preserve their culture. The Manchus knew this as well so they tried as hard as possible to slow the process.

    Back to Han Nationalism, one of their main take is 元清非中国论 Thesis that Yuan and Qing are not truly Chinese. Actually among the first one to hawk this were Japs, who argued China has accepted conquerors before, so why not another one.

    But this is being debunked now by PRC historians with arguments that I think is pretty compelling. The Confucian scholars came to agreement that non-Hans can be accepted as legitimate dynastic rulers so long as they accept the two above-stated conditions (not the case for Japs). Also, Yuan is much more sinicized than previously thought, for example the 4-caste system turned out to be fake news https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_dynasty#Social_classes . And many of the later battles were basically Han vs. Han https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yamen

    However, one aspect of accepting Yuan is acknowledging that China had once tried to invade Japan.


    Southerners can’t even drink…

     

    I find this repellent as well, per AK’s thesis re teetotaling and trustworthiness. But this is not so much a North-South thing as much as Blue (overseas/coastal) vs. Yellow (interior/Eurasia) thing. Go to any CCP banquets you’ll get wasted on baijiu, regardless of region (video below on baijiu for our vodka drinking friends). Clearly with OBOR, PRC is pivoting towards Yellow China.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IVKMi3_PHo
  275. @AP
    @melanf

    Most of the northern Russian ones look more like Finns than like Slavs. The second one from the right looks a little Ukrainian.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @melanf

    And how does the typical Slav look like? Not like Bulgarians I think? Who are surprisingly dark, but who still are descended from the first Slavs known to history.

    • Replies: @AP
    @AltanBakshi

    Bulgarians, Serbs and Macedonians are Slavic-speaking Balkanoids, cousins of Albanians. They are of approximately only 25% Slavic descent. The 19th century Russian conservative Leontiev spent a few years as a diplomat down there, he observed that Bulgarians were in essence an exotic type of Greek peasant. Eastern Slavs, Western Slavs, and Slovenians are Slavic peoples both linguistically and by descent. Croats are about half-Slavic. The others in the Balkans are locals who got Slaviczed.

    Hungarians probably have more Slavic descent than do Bulgarians.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  276. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thanks. Just to clear things up:


    There are not much things that I do take seriously on “teh internets”. In real life it’s different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to “filter one’s bazaar “.
     
    I am not interested in "filtering my bazaar" - what a noxious phrase, as if one is talking to some double-dealing Azeri carpet seller. I would tell anybody demanding that of me to go to hell (and have).

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let’s just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.
     
    FWIW, when I say you live in an emigrant time bubble, this is not to insult you but because this describes reality in my frank opinion. This is yet another example. That is not how Russia in general works these days, and it is most certainly not how Moscow works.

    The main Nazi Gypsies (as Nesterov memorably termed them) on Twitter unsuccessfully demanding an apology from me literally consisted of:

    (1) A Russo-Ukrainian/American former Daily Stormer writer who repatriated to SPB and now runs this cringe shit: https://pravcheloveka.net/

    (2) An Armenian in France.

    (3) An obese hookah lounge owner in SPB.

    (So, out of three people, a Caucasoid who doesn't even live in Russia, and a Nazi who grew up in the US and has devoted the past few years of his life to spreading Anglin's memes about "putting women in cages" and the like to his cult of... a few dozen adolescent Twitter followers).

    They run a "Inquisition" that compiles lists of "xenos" and "heretics" in a very cringe wh40k larp which now consists of something like a 1/3 of all active nationalists on Twitter: https://twitter.com/inquisition_hq/status/1291791834432393223

    I hardly ever apologize (there are good reasons for it) and was certainly not going to start with these freaks.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Bashibuzuk

    Haven’t you ever felt that you’ve wronged somebody, either intentionally or not? Being impervious to the process of forgiveness, either to somebody else or having somebody forgive you, is to live within a real “hardass” bubble, IMHO?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    It is OK and proper to apologize when you have truly wronged somebody. I try not to do that, so situations in which it is ethically incumbent upon me to do so are rare (even if I say so myself).

    SJWs and Nazi Gypsies whining on the Internet don't quality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @silviosilver
    @Mr. Hack

    He was talking about apologizing for expressing "insulting" or "insensitive" political opinions. I agree that it's a bad idea to apologize for these - even if you sincerely feel that you went too far.

    On the topic of going too far, I obviously went "too far" in my last exchange with you, and it's something I feel bad about, especially since you responded calmly and diplomatically, which only made me feel worse. In real life, I would have no problem apologizing for something like that. In fact, I apologize all the time for causing people far less inconvenience than calling them "utter fucking idiots."

    On the internet though, damn, it's actually quite hard to apologize. It's surprisingly difficult to even write this. So here: I'M SORRY, OKAY! HAPPY?

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  277. @silviosilver
    @Kent Nationalist


    Any Nazi has a much more accurate understanding of the world than Jewish nerds like Moldbug or the (lol) psychiatrist.
     
    There are certainly intelligent Nazis, but on the whole, I find them moronic and very off-putting.

    I know it's all the same to lefties and liberals - anyone evincing pro-white attitudes is a "nazi" in their debased minds - but to me it is obviously possible to be pro-white and simultaneously disdainful of Nazis. And not just as some "marketing" tactic, but as a deeply felt ideological and moral commitment.

    That said, I find that Nazis can sometimes be surprisingly insightful.

    One of my favorites Nazi lines is: only Nazis and Jews understand what is happening.

    Although it's easy to quibble with and show that it's not wholly accurate, it's more profound than it seems at first glance. When a normie understands what it is trying to say, he will be much closer to comprehending political and racial reality than he is at present.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    There are many kinds of Nazis IMO, so it’s not even possible to generalize:

    (1) There are the OG Nazis – I like to call them NSDAPists to accentuate the point – who are (were) Germanic supremacists, ruthlessly focused on maximization of German living space and world power.

    (2) There are the much lower IQ modern WNs, who ahistorically believe Nazism to have been a White International, and embrace a loser’s ideology to helpfully signal to TPTB that they should be repressed (except insofar as they can fulfill a role as useful idiots, as they do in e.g. Ukraine).

    (3) Probably bottom of the rung in this respect are the various Le 56% Face Nazis.

    (4) There are /pol/ type “ironic Nazi” shitlords. These are at least brighter and much more entertaining than (2).

    (5) Then I suppose one might have “practical Nazis” who adopt some aspects of Nazi policy wrt their own country while taking care not to associate it themselves with its toxic PR. Unlike (2) or (3), they are much more results focused.

  278. @AP
    @Anyone with a brain

    Ethnic Ukraine has a decent level of what you call "asabiyyah" but the country as a whole did not.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    By ethnic Ukraine you mean NOT the Slovaks, Poles or Hungarians living in the far west of the Ukraine and NOT the Crimean Tatars? (Well, Crimea is part of Russia, but I’m trying to understand what you mean by ethnic Ukraine. Thanks 🙂

    • Replies: @AP
    @RadicalCenter

    The Hungarians lived in a thin strip on the Hungarian border. There is no measurable Slovak population.

    The number of Poles is small and scattered; there aren’t any Polish enclaves in Ukraine:

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Polish_minority_in_Ukraine_2001.PNG

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

  279. @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Haven't you ever felt that you've wronged somebody, either intentionally or not? Being impervious to the process of forgiveness, either to somebody else or having somebody forgive you, is to live within a real "hardass" bubble, IMHO?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @silviosilver

    It is OK and proper to apologize when you have truly wronged somebody. I try not to do that, so situations in which it is ethically incumbent upon me to do so are rare (even if I say so myself).

    SJWs and Nazi Gypsies whining on the Internet don’t quality.

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I understand. In my case, I've found that as I've gotten older I am less tempted to try and draw rigid lines as to who is more correct in any sort of an argument. I remember as a teenager, where one is probably most resistant to letting things go, I was amazed at how easily my father would lose the high ground in an argument with my mother, when I knew that his opinion was the most correct. I'm talking about factual things here, not matters of opinion. He would smile and tell me that Mom is always right in such matters, and thus avoid a posible argument. I understand him better now that I'm older (life's too short to argue about the degree of correctness is a disagreement). :-)

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  280. @silviosilver
    @Bashibuzuk

    I agree with you that what we think of today as "nations" are of a fairly recent vintage, and that much of their self-conception has been deliberately manufactured. In this, I follow Victor Roudometoff's outline of this process:


    The fundamental logic of these [nationalist] narratives entails the following steps:

    1. A “quest for origins” according to which the researcher's task is to trace the
    beginnings of a people as far back in history as possible;

    2. The construction of continuity among the different historical periods, thereby
    showing the preservation of a “people's” culture, tradition, and mentality;

    3. The identification of periods of glory and decline, including moral judgments
    regarding the actions of other collectivities vis-à-vis the nation; and

    4. The quest for meaning and purpose, the identification of a destiny revealed in the
    progression of history, or what might be called a semi-Hegelian interpretation of
    history.
     
    I think it would be instructive for us if AK were to indicate which, if any, of these steps his own Russian nationalism incorporates. But since you already asked him to define what Russian nationalism means to him and he preferred to dodge it with a cheap debating point, I doubt we'll get an answer, so we'll just have to speculate.

    (1) I doubt he has any deep-seated interest in any origins project, unless it can be used to prove that Russians are older than Ukrainians and that the latter are thus "fake and gay."

    (2) I doubt he has any interest in proving that there is something unique or real about "the Russian soul," and that it has remained essentially unchanged throughout history, though I think he would - however reluctantly - feel it's important to establish some kind of continuity in Russian identity throughout the ages, to deny that Russians ever have or ever could have seen themselves as anything but Russians, because otherwise it would open the door to Belarusians or Ukrainians defining themselves out of Russianness.

    (3) He does seem keen to identify "historical enemies" - Latvians figure prominently here - and to nurse grudges against them.

    (4) He doesn't seem at all interested in using history to establish what it means to be Russian, to define a Russian "national life purpose," or anything of this sort, which he probably - and if so, correctly - sees as veering into fascism.

    Overall, he seems to be more of a state nationalist than an ethnic nationalist. That is, he is interested in justifying Russia's hold on its present territories as well as its former territories, as well as in reincorporating those former territories into Russia, regardless of whether those territories contain self-identified Russians or not. Any views he advances on Russian nationality or Russian ethnicity or Russian culture can be expected to be colored by, or shaped by, this state expansionist imperative.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I have written about those things before so I don’t feel know why it is incumbent upon me to repeat them.

  281. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. Hack

    It is OK and proper to apologize when you have truly wronged somebody. I try not to do that, so situations in which it is ethically incumbent upon me to do so are rare (even if I say so myself).

    SJWs and Nazi Gypsies whining on the Internet don't quality.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I understand. In my case, I’ve found that as I’ve gotten older I am less tempted to try and draw rigid lines as to who is more correct in any sort of an argument. I remember as a teenager, where one is probably most resistant to letting things go, I was amazed at how easily my father would lose the high ground in an argument with my mother, when I knew that his opinion was the most correct. I’m talking about factual things here, not matters of opinion. He would smile and tell me that Mom is always right in such matters, and thus avoid a posible argument. I understand him better now that I’m older (life’s too short to argue about the degree of correctness is a disagreement). 🙂

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Mr. Hack


    He would smile and tell me that Mom is always right in such matters, and thus avoid a posible argument. I understand him better now that I’m older (life’s too short to argue about the degree of correctness is a disagreement).
     
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1502317/

    Testosterone deficiency in the aging male is associated with the loss of libido, erectile dysfunction, depression, decreased cognitive ability, lethargy, osteoporosis, and loss of muscle mass and strength. This constellation of symptoms is known collectively as andropause, or ADAM (androgen deficiency of the aging male), and the syndrome is likely to become more common as the baby-boomer generation continues to grow older.

     

    Replies: @Bashibuzuk, @Mr. Hack

  282. @AP
    @melanf

    Most of the northern Russian ones look more like Finns than like Slavs. The second one from the right looks a little Ukrainian.

    Replies: @AltanBakshi, @melanf

    Most of the northern Russian ones look more like Finns than like Slavs.

    As has been repeatedly stated, the Slavs are a language group whose representatives are divided into several genetic clusters. All of them are equally Slavs. Similarly, Finno-speaking ethnic groups have different origins and different appearance.

    Here is a typical Slav from Samara. Do you think he looks more like a Slav or a Finn?

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @A123
    @melanf

    He looks like Dr. Gregory House (Hugh Laurie).

    I am not sure if that helps though.....

    PEACE 😇
     

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/0M5QkiTD2No/maxresdefault.jpg

    Replies: @melanf

    , @Bashibuzuk
    @melanf

    He looks like a typical Indo-European. Which is absolutely expected from a typical Slav. Of course the Slav population is now admixed with the Ugric populations in the North and the the Vlakh (Celtic Thracian) populations in the South. Also both Russians and Ukrainians have some Turkic admixture, while the Ukrainians have some Circassian admixture, that's how the Cossacks have been described in the early Muscovite sources and that's how the town of Черкассы got its name.

    Around half of the male Russian and Ukrainian Slavs have the Y haplogroup R1a which is a marker for the Corded Ware Culture descended people. This proportion is higher (reaching close to 80%) in some old Golden Ring Russian towns. IIRC in Suzdal in the early 2000ies it was around 75% of the male population.

    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/60/7c/41/607c41205c1e10c46a2611e3d5e53d47.jpg

    A modern reconstruction of their physical appearance. Notice the fellow above is wearing neat vintage лапти shoes.

    , @Daniel Chieh
    @melanf

    I thought Hugh Laurie was an Angl*man.

    Replies: @melanf

    , @AP
    @melanf


    As has been repeatedly stated, the Slavs are a language group whose representatives are divided into several genetic clusters. All of them are equally Slavs
     
    This is a convenient idea for Slavic-speaking peoples who are not of actual Slavic descent.

    Would you therefore consider Slavic-speaking Kazakhs and Bashkirs to be Slavs also, just belonging to their own genetic cluster?

    Replies: @melanf, @Mr. XYZ

    , @Not Raul
    @melanf

    That isn’t a Russian. That’s Hugh Laurie.

    Nice try.

    Replies: @melanf, @Dmitry

  283. @Europe Europa
    @Shortsword

    You could say the same thing about a map of Russia divided up into its "Federal subjects", which actually exist while the map you've shown is just some "regional" nonsense that the anti-British elites have never managed to actually bring into existence.

    Replies: @RadicalCenter

    You might be right as to most of those regions. But there continues to be substantial support among Scotland’s citizens for secession from the “UK” and to an apparently lesser extent among the Welsh.

    As for the other commenter’s suggestion that each of the colored areas be an independent “democratic” country, let’s imagine the likeliest outcome of that in the London of 2050: sharia “law” imposed on the minority by the emerging Islamist majority. Wonder if the other commenter would be alright with that.

    Well, at least an independent Muslim-controlled London might aggressively remove the pernicious perverse influence of homosexuals and “transgenders” from their schools, “pop culture”, and society. Would they also end the big banks and financiers’ practices of usury and speculation?

  284. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Bashibuzuk

    Thanks. Just to clear things up:


    There are not much things that I do take seriously on “teh internets”. In real life it’s different, especially in Russia where one has to learn quite young how to “filter one’s bazaar “.
     
    I am not interested in "filtering my bazaar" - what a noxious phrase, as if one is talking to some double-dealing Azeri carpet seller. I would tell anybody demanding that of me to go to hell (and have).

    I would strongly suggest to anyone living in Russia to be very careful about what they tell and even more careful about whom they are telling it. Let’s just say that some people there do not even ask for apologies before retaliating in very painful ways.
     
    FWIW, when I say you live in an emigrant time bubble, this is not to insult you but because this describes reality in my frank opinion. This is yet another example. That is not how Russia in general works these days, and it is most certainly not how Moscow works.

    The main Nazi Gypsies (as Nesterov memorably termed them) on Twitter unsuccessfully demanding an apology from me literally consisted of:

    (1) A Russo-Ukrainian/American former Daily Stormer writer who repatriated to SPB and now runs this cringe shit: https://pravcheloveka.net/

    (2) An Armenian in France.

    (3) An obese hookah lounge owner in SPB.

    (So, out of three people, a Caucasoid who doesn't even live in Russia, and a Nazi who grew up in the US and has devoted the past few years of his life to spreading Anglin's memes about "putting women in cages" and the like to his cult of... a few dozen adolescent Twitter followers).

    They run a "Inquisition" that