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Apothecary Garden, Moscow.

I agree with Scholar’s Stage skeptical take on Substack:

A running theme in all of these essays is the importance of seeing individual authors not as individual authors, but as voices in a chorus. No writer is an island. If a “public voice” is inspired to spend hours massaging paragraphs and digging up references, it is because she has something to prove, and more important still, someone to prove it to. She writes in response to ideas she has heard or read. She feels compelled to add her voice to a larger conversation. The best thinkers speak to more than their immediate contemporaries, but without that contemporary argument in the background few would bother speaking at all.

The old blogosphere, consisting of clusters of people writing on topics of interest (e.g. the “Russia Watchers”, the HBDsphere – to name the two I was part of) was killed off by social media.

Substack is not going to revive it for the reasons given in that article.

 
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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    Commenting rules. Please note that anonymous comments are not allowed.

  2. SIMP simp says:

    With SV being browbeaten to bow to legacy media and ban/hide/throttle everything else while the NYT is globbing up the bulk of leftist media share we are returning to a pre-internet situation in which public speech is a privilege of the establishment.

    • Agree: Ano4
  3. A123 says:

    Fraud-by-mail generated ~700K illegal votes for Biden in Pennsylvania. Removing these criminal ballots from circulation accurately scores PA as a Trump victory by ~400K votes. And, this does not even include the additional corruption from the vote counting machines.

    The Blue Coup is collapsing and the SJW ‘s cannot cope.
     

     
    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  4. The death of the blogosphere has been greatly exaggerated. If anything, it’s been making a comeback lately as any free speech on alternative platforms (e.g. YouTube) has died. The written word is still freer on the blogosphere than anywhere else.

    If substack will be killed off it won’t be because of the medium but because the “journalist” censors will pressure the people behind it by endless smear stories and/or financial blackmail. Same reason why Gab was crippled. Even if Substack will share that fate, it’ll be the fate of a specific platform rather than a whole medium. The blogosphere is making a comeback precisely because it is the most decentralised form of communication, and hence the most resilient, because it is not dependent on any one platform.

    The critique is a shallow one, it is incapable of understanding a systemic issue and confuses it with a medium.

  5. Ano4 says:

    According to the NYT, if you don’t trust everything Democratic party and Deep State say, it simply means that you have the Republican Rotten Brain syndrome:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/26/opinion/republican-disinformation.html

  6. ’90s Russia would be a good setting for a Grand Theft Auto game.

    • Agree: Ano4, Thulean Friend, mal
  7. Ano4 says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Yes. Crazy times.

    You know: the center cannot hold, mere anarchy is loosed upon the world…

  8. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Didn’t one of them have you play as a Russian immigrant?

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  9. First residence permits in the EU for 2019 data is out. Eurostat has a really cool infographic which works both for receiver and sender countries here.

    A few notable things: India is now #3 sender country overall to the EU, after only Ukraine and China. If you look at the evolution over the past 10 years, it has steadily climbed the ladder. Ten years ago, almost all Indian emigration to Europe was to the UK. Today continental Europe is bigger. Sweden get almost as many Indians as Italy.

    India is now the top country source of immigrants for Sweden, ahead of Syrians or Afghans. China is number four. This is the first time for over 15 years that neither Syria or Afghanistan hasn’t been the top (non-EU) country of origin for Sweden. This is not a coincidence. Refugee migration has become steadily harder and work migration steadily more liberal over the past decade. I expect the current trend to continue.

    Serbia is sending 62K, mostly to Germany. 62K for a country of their size is massive. Their total workforce is ~4 million, so 1.5% of their workforce is emigrating annually. Serbia is being demographically devastated.

    EU is still too biased towards the MENA region. Far fewer are coming from Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Laos etc than the potential.

  10. @Thulean Friend

    Apparently a lot of Indians go to Poland now. They’ll end up a multi-racial “melting pot” like the West soon enough. The Polish right is only really resistant to Muslim immigration, non-Muslim immigrants seem to be welcomed.

    So Poland will probably end up a lot less Islamified than Western Europe, but not less non-white.

  11. @Thulean Friend

    Albania and Bosnia are even worse off than Serbia. Almost same number of permits granted but with half the population.

    Where are the numbers for earlier years? What percent of these permits represent permanent emigrants? Looking the population of Serbia, Bosnia and Albania they don’t seem to have yearly emigration anywhere these numbers.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
  12. @Europe Europa

    I doubt Poland will become multi-ethnic like Western Europe, most of its immigrants are from Ukraine and other such countries that are ethnically and culturally similar. Non-Europeans in Poland are only around 1% of the population.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  13. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I don’t see why it wouldn’t. Monoracial Poland is an accident of history; not a conscious decision. Historically it has been multi-ethnic, as has most European countries.

    The US was an alt-right country (de facto) during WWII if you look at old Gallup polls. Didn’t prevent the 1965 immigration act. The US had much higher fertility than European countries so there was arguably less of a case to be made.

    Policy is ultimately set by elites with the plebs to suffer as they must. Public opinion in the grand scheme of things is mostly irrelevant. That’s also true for ‘democracies’, where a small plutocratic elite holds most of the power.

    This isn’t just about Poland. The whole of Eastern Europe is getting a lot more migrants. The data for Hungary and Czechia show the same. Very large increases in Indians, Filipino, Mongolian and even Turkish migrants. New permits to Nigerians in Czechia has increased three-fold over the last 6 years.

    As countries get richer, they will also become more attractive. Why would EE be any different? While they are poor within the EU, they are rich by global standards.

  14. songbird says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Seems kind of bleak. I’d kind of like to play a game set in ’80s Russia, where one had to hide one’s windshield wipers, after parking. You could have criminal characters trying to spread American pop-culture.

  15. 128 says:

    China should not worry about its falling fertility rate, I am sure there are hundreds of millions of randy Africans willing to pick up the slack.

  16. @songbird

    ’90s Russia would be a gritty setting. The presence of armoured vehicles would also make a lot more sense than games set in LA.

    There would be gangsters, girls and various terrorist groups you could interact with, lots of cool missions as well with things like the Chechnya conflict going on.

    • Agree: songbird
  17. @Thulean Friend

    Poland just seems very insular, and owing to their lack of colonial history, not many people outside of Poland actually understand the Polish language, unlike say Britain which can draw people from all over the world due to English being the world Lingua Franca or France and it’s former Francophone colonies.

    The increases in numbers are not that much, nowhere near the levels Western countries saw during the initial days of mass immigration. There is also way more anti-immigrant sentiments in those countries and they don’t seem to be as reserved as Western Europeans are about expressing their displeasure.

  18. PA and MI’s votes have already been certified. They’re not going to be changed and show pretty much what you’d expect; if anything the margin swing against Trump in PA was surprisingly small due to the pro-Trump swing in Philadelphia:

    I’ve also created a ten point index of COVID policy; I’m not sure about 2-5, however:

    • Troll: LondonBob
    • Replies: @A123
    , @sudden death
  19. @A123

    I find the “stolen election” story a good test to weed out my reading list. Life got simple once I blocked every moron and sycophant who claimed Russia stole the previous US elections. Even Trump conceded, although in his womanly way. Any more whining is a waste of breaths.

  20. A123 says:
    @E. Harding

    PA and MI’s votes have already been certified.

    The Pennsylvania DNC’s attempt to rush through a fraudulent certification has been enjoined by the Courts. The SJW’s were trying to slam the door shut before the TRUTH could get into the room. It did not work.

    Trump, as the ACTUAL winner in Pennsylvania will get those Electoral College votes.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  21. Svevlad says:

    The problem is exactly that people dig for proofs and try to prove things. Nah. We have seen that the true approach is to just to make the hottest takes you can at all times and basically shitpost in real life. Infinite popularity.

  22. mal says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    “Rats the size of cats” are only mentioned on page 15?

    That’s discrimination against UK’s cat and rat population.

  23. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    A beautiful action from a magnificent player. A privilege to follow his career as he was playing – and even a privilege just to watch him on Youtube.

    On the hand of God – it was a morally justifiable action. Probably about 3 or 4 offences on him in that game shown on highlights were definite red card offences. What should more annoy the english is that in the moment before scoring the amazing genius second goal……..one of the England players was clearly , impossible to not see, fouled just before Maradona received the ball. So with the idiotic americanisation of the game that is happening with garbage VAR – we would not have had the 2 of the most incredible moments in football history get allowed

    Interesting to note that before the 1986 World Cup , Maradona did not believe he was respected and rated even as in the top 7 players in the world at the time! Platini was definitely rated a much better player than Maradona for the majority of his career ( they were nearly totally aligned in time with eachother) – but of course if you ask 100 people now than literally all 100 of them will say Maradona was the much better footballer. Zico was rated higher, Laudrup? Maybe he was rated higher, Blokhin possibly also ( he won Ballon D’or and Maradona , disgracefully, did not), Rummenigge and some others. These footballers rated above him at the time + those 2 iconic moments not occuring or not allowed, then as ridiculous as it sounds, then Maradona may not have had the status he has now – even though to me it was clear he was a genius from the start to finish of his career – extremely high intelligence, great peripheral vision, obviously incredible technique, ability to make or inspire his teammates to play better ( something someone as Ronaldo can’t do to the same level) and obvious courageous qualities on football pitch.

    I didn’t actually know ( though I should have deduced) that his mother was Italian. That just reinforces the point that , genetically, Italians are by far the best footballers. Even with all the African, Spanish, Portuguese genetics in South America – most of the great footballers in successful Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil have direct Italian connection – Maradona, Schiaffino, Messi, Zico, Rivelino, Alfredo Di Stefano….then in Europe France’s best footballer Platini had an Italian father – and then we get to the Italian footballers , who historically, if not recently have been successful.

    This leads me to the fact that the only team who would ever annihilate Italy….were the Soviet Union/Russia. We have an amazing record against Italy in big competition ,just like the Italians have against Germany. They don’t know how to play against great USSR – and that is why we would have won against them in 1982, and natural justice would have made us defeat West German scum and so USSR would have won the world Cup in 1982……..if trash atlanticists did not force us to play 2 games in 3 days against Poles who had a week to recover. Our game against Brazil in 1982 was one of the greatest World Cup matches ever, and we were unfortunate to lose – we had a great team then and in 1986.

    If we had won the World Cup in 1982, as we as a football team and as a nation deserved to……then the USSR would still be here now.

    Belgium a-holes very extremely lucky to win against us in 1986. If we win there then it 50% chance against Spain in quarter-final. Then we play Argentina . Maradona, great fan of Chavez and Castro obviously has huge love for socialism, for Russia and USSR – he refuses to play good against us because of his respect. USSR wins – and all world supports us against Nazi Germany in final……again preserving eternal existence of USSR

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
    , @Yevardian
  24. Chieh, Songbird & Thulean thoughts on Singh?

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/singh-therrien-racism-death-threats-1.5816247

    Anyway, that is my charitable view. My less charitable view is to look at the many extremely obnoxious Indian politicians in the West and to try to extrapolate from their behavior to Westerners how a country of about 1.4 billion ruled by dozens of Sidiq Khans and Kamala Harrises might behave in their own neck of the woods. I don’t think that humility, fairness, and reciprocity would be their governing principle – that is not the vibe that I get from them.

    How does someone co-sign this with the era of Euro colonialism, slavery, colour revolutions etc.?
    Vivek is correct:

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Vivek

    Ultimately the deal is this. It’s not too long ago-within the lifetime of people alive today as a matter of fact- that whites pranced around India and much of the rest of the world as a smug ruling caste complete with local servants and all, administering the affairs of the “primitives” for “their own good.” Am I a frothing at the mouth “woke revolutionary” demanding that historical wrongs be righted? No. But would I mind finding myself in an analogous position

    Srs q: is it a for me but not thee, we wuz fair, or some combo + envy?
    Again serious question.

    Also, for those on Android delete Device Personalization Services for Huuuge speed up||
    It just handles those gay frequent contacts at the top of share menu.
    Rest of it still works||

    Regarding whole society conversion and TFR dif. https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    US & UK helped Pak in the Bengali Hindu genocide of 71.
    White society is the barrier to Islamic displacement||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  25. @sher singh

    What do the Anglo actions have to do with rest of us?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Europe Europa
  26. Reminds me of the controversy in the UK over chlorinated chicken. To the credit of Taiwanese, despite its tiny size and far more precarious geopolitical position, it’s actually putting up a better fight than the resigned brits who just passively take everything lying down from the US.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    , @songbird
  27. White society is the barrier to Islamic displacement

    That’s a pretty submissive way to look at the world. If much smaller and inconsequential Myanmar could displace large amounts of Rohingya without the West being able to do much, then what’s stopping India?

    The reality is that Hindu society, at least the elite echelons, is more divided on this question. Something as basic as UCC still hasn’t been done yet despite Modi’s blustering. The solution to this issue is not violence but a whole-of-society mass conversion effort. But this requires a lot more civilisational vigor than India currently possesses.

    That’s the saffron-clad blackpill you need to take.

  28. @Gerard-Mandela

    Here speaks a true football lover and – a USSR patriot. (If there was a button laugh+thanks, I would have pressed it…

  29. @Dieter Kief

    Some parts of that comment were verging on parody to be honest, still an interesting insight, the prestige that would have been lent to the USSR had it won a world cup would have been immense and Gerard is right in that it could have prevented the collapse of the Union.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    , @Haruto Rat
  30. @Dieter Kief

    Some parts of that comment were verging on parody to be honest, still an interesting insight, the prestige that would have been lent to the USSR had it won a world cup would have been immense and Gerard is right in that it could have prevented the collapse of the Union.

  31. There seems to have been a weird error causing my comment to be posted twice, with no edit countdown. Could the admin please delete the duplicate comment and this one?

  32. Jtgw says:
    @Thulean Friend

    There’s one thing about the 1965 immigration act that bothers me, which is that while it increased quotas for immigrants from southern and Eastern Europe, Asia and Africa, it actually limited legal immigration from Latin America. So I don’t see how this law can be blamed for mass Hispanic immigration; if anything, without the law and assuming same natural migration rate, surely we’d have seen even greater immigration levels from south of the border.

    The counter argument I’ve heard is that limiting legal immigration had paradoxical effect of increasing overall immigration rate by encouraging more illegal immigration. Back when Latino immigration was largely unlimited, you had mostly seasonal workers who didn’t particularly want to settle in the US but could be confident they’d be allowed back in each year to earn money. Once those opportunities were limited by the new law, it was dangerous to return to Mexico or wherever in a given year, since you couldn’t be sure you’d be allowed back in the next. So you’d settle permanently in the US illegally instead and trust in lax enforcement (since it wasn’t in your employers interests to deport you either).

  33. @Daniel Chieh

    My comment was really like 4 in 1.

    Im asking you & others about Sikh politicians v rest.

    Asking any wignat inclined posters their view of Indian arrogance v White colonialism or wokeism

    Then just saying Whites do actively support Pakistan & Turkey v India & Russia||

    As for the Saffron black-pill yes, it forms the Dark Blue of the Khalsa Panth||

    All along the platform, she later wrote, blue-turbaned Sikhs sat cross-legged, their curved kirpans across their knees, patiently waiting for the next arriving Special.

    https://caravanmagazine.in/vantage/did-sikhs-squads-participate-organised-attempt-cleanse-east-punjab-during-partition

  34. Mikhail says: • Website

    2016 & 2020 Meddling Claims

    Reminded of a certain FBI visit and State Department report, leaving more questions than answers. Kind of related is an Ali Velshi hosted MSNBC segment with Adam Schiff, which criticized the pardon of Michael Flynn. Schiff is the same guy who said that he had proof of Trump-Russia collusion – something that now gets glossed over during his TV appearances.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/27/us-election-success-and-hey-presto-russian-interference-disappears/

    https://irrussianality.wordpress.com/2020/11/26/the-russian-brexit-plot-that-wasnt/

  35. @E. Harding

    What is your criteria for quasi-denial? RF has way too low official death counting but it hardly is worse than Turkey in this regard. Also neighbouring Belarus under the lead of a crackpot Lukashenko is way more denialist in overall stance regarding pandemic.

  36. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend

    As countries get richer, they will also become more attractive. Why would EE be any different? While they are poor within the EU, they are rich by global standards

    Because EE is right next door to Germany and Austria. Even as EE gets richer, it is still a long way off from achieving parity with Germany. It is also much less generous with welfare, and there is not much of an established community to welcome people. So EE will naturally be skipped in favour of Germany, by non-Europeans. Ukrainians and Belarusians are a different story – EE has the advantages of linguistic and cultural similarity plus close geographic distance that can compensate for lower income for these people.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  37. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Why did the USSR football team barely win anything? They were even ranked number one in Elo rating several times.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  38. @Daniel Chieh

    There were plenty of non-Anglo colonialists. This idea that colonialism and conquest is an exclusively “Anglo” thing is the most ridiculous idea going.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  39. @Europe Europa

    True, but we were the best at it because we are the world’s master race.

  40. @Thulean Friend

    Reminds me of the controversy in the UK over chlorinated chicken. To the credit of Taiwanese, despite its tiny size and far more precarious geopolitical position, it’s actually putting up a better fight than the resigned brits who just passively take everything lying down from the US.

    Most British people are disgusted by the idea of chlorinated chicken, I also find your claim that the Taiwanese are less pro-American than the British very questionable.

    I get the impression that Taiwanese nationalists (anti-China) idolise the US much more than most British people do.

  41. @Kent Nationalist

    You and Hindus richly deserve each other.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  42. @Kent Nationalist

    The Spanish and Portuguese were fairly successful at it too judging by South America, but because the Yanks see the Southern Europeans as somewhat brownish and exotic, they don’t fit their image of “colonial oppressors”.

    It’s only the English and the Germans who really get any stick for their historical conduct, although I notice lately that the British Empire/England seems to be overtaking even Nazi Germany as the historical “bad guy”. There seems to be a concerted effort in the media and academia to build up an image of Churchill as an even more reprehensible figure than Hitler.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  43. songbird says:
    @sher singh

    I don’t identify much with the British Empire, but, if you ask me, there is more dignity in being conquered by the sword. I would respect Indians in the West more if it had been a military invasion, and Indians had a public doctrine in the West that they were superior. One of the biggest insults is how everything is linked to diversity rhetoric – it is all bioleninism, with the implicit message that you, as a subjugated person, are worse than a tranny, or an African with AIDS.

    I’m not sure it is something that Indians can really identify with. Perhaps, other parts of the British Empire where they brought in Indians as middle men, so there was more than one group above you.

    As to historical parallelism, I think it is fairly limited, on many levels, without even trying to construct a moral case. Relatively few Indians interacted with whites, under the Raj and most, when polled, did not even understand they were part of the British Empire. The numbers weren’t anything close to proportional. Indians were never under threat of being inundated. Mostly, India has a very unattractive climate for Europeans, who, at any rate, had better, more salubrious, places to go.

    About everyone plays the regime-change game, according to their capabilities. I used to think of myself as an isolationist, but, if I am honest, my own desired foreign policy would be anti-poz alliances, and color revolutions in countries with pozzed regimes. Not all of them – ideally you want some place to exile undesirables.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @sher singh
  44. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    One of my favorite things about the Chinese is their enthusiasm for pigs and pig products.

    • LOL: Ano4
  45. @songbird

    The Sikh Empire ended w/ civil war and treachery – Anglo aren’t man enough to win head on.

    As for today, in the here and now:

    Khalsa is solution for w/e
    The elite are globalized
    Khalsa extends across 14 Loka

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @songbird
  46. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    the prestige that would have been lent to the USSR had it won a world cup would have been immense and Gerard is right in that it could have prevented the collapse of the Union.

    Hardly so.

    It’d take three world cups in soccer and one each in water polo, bandy and badminton just to compensate for the demoralizing effect of Soviet architecture.

    • LOL: Dieter Kief
  47. songbird says:

    I presume that Russia already has nuclear-powered botanical gardens, but they should also have nuclear-branded botanical gardens, with direct heat transfer, if technically possible – you could probably do it with waste heat. And all of it should be part of a nuclear-themed park, with nuclear-powered rides for children, de-commissioned nuclear-powered subs, for adults, and restaurants where the food has been safely irradiated.

    Perhaps, it could all fit aboard a barge, which would tour the world and encourage purchase of Russian-manufactured nuclear power plants.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Ray P
  48. songbird says:
    @sher singh

    Treason seems to be the eternal pastime of elites.

    I can think of at least one distant ancestor who had a brother who led a foreign army against him. In that particular case, the brother lost and then died of plague, but it doesn’t always end that way.

  49. @Daniel Chieh

    You and Hindus richly deserve each other.

    Your generosity knows no limits, Daniel Chieh! – Sweet indeed.

    (Irony off).

    PS

    I did not write (and did not mean): Sarcasm off.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  50. @Mikhail

    Since the beginning the 60s the USSR team was in the top 5 (Elo ratings) the majority of the time. Considering how good they were their world cup record is awful. The EUFA results were acceptable, one gold and three silvers.

  51. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Even as EE gets richer, it is still a long way off from achieving parity with Germany.

    But achieving parity with France is very doable for countries such as Poland and Czechia, no?

    • Replies: @AP
  52. Mr. XYZ says:
    @A123

    Keep dreaming! 😀

    • Replies: @A123
  53. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Agreed with your point here. I would think that convergence to British and French levels of GDP PPP per capita is doable for both Poland and Czechia, no? They have roughly similar average IQs, after all.

  54. And now for something different – it is disappointing that our host is pushing the failed midwit meme.
    Time to use my anonymous topwit super smarts to kill it for real.

    The midwit meme. You all know it.

    This meme serves as double cope for alt right failures.
    Alt-righter imagines imagines himself as “topwit”, smarter than both midwits and dumbass normies, and also imagines that there are, somewhere, deeply hidden super smart people who agree with him and support the alt-right.

    There is no evidence for the former – there is nothing intellectually demanding about alt-right ideas.

    And there is even less evidence for the latter.

    The only survey of political positions of super intelligent people I am aware of, is here.

    http://milesresearch.com/tns/summary.htm

    Summary of the Triple Nine Society Poll Results

    It is from 2000 and long obsolete, but this is all I was able to find.

    The Triple Nine Society is an exclusive group of people who have documented IQ scores in the upper one-tenth of one percent of the general population, corresponding to an IQ of approximately 150 or higher. The group has about 350 members worldwide, most of whom are U.S. citizens.

    If there is such thing as “topwit”, these people qualify.

    And what are they thinking?

    Summary. The TNS opinions sampled here show a clear preference for minimal government involvement in personal lifestyle matters (drugs, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, pornography, gambling) and commercial business (subsidies, genetic engineering, Internet commerce, trade with China). In addition to preferring a minimum of government regulation, TNS members wish to see an overhaul of our present tax system, support greater funding for scientific research, and do not want the military used as an ‘international police force.’

    So, as far as “topwits” have political positions, it is libertarian. These people want to run their lives for themselves.
    They do not want and do not need to be controlled by crooked con politicians pandering to moron mob of voters, and they have even less use for “nation” “race” “tradition” and similar alt-right bullshit.

    • Troll: Ano4
  55. AlexT says:
    @Ano4

    The first song is by a band called Kino. I first heard of them while taking a Russian language course. Their lyrics are poetry to a beginner’s ear. I wonder if that’s true for native speakers. Anatoly, any thoughts on this band?

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Ano4
  56. AP says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    That’s more realistic. But Germany rather than France is right next door. And again, France has generous welfare, established communities, large parts of the Arab world and Africa are Francophone, etc.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  57. AP says:
    @AlexT

    I think Shevchuk is a better poet than Tsoi, but I’m only a semi-native speaker.

    • Disagree: JL
    • Replies: @Ano4
  58. @songbird

    You are correct. The world’s biggest and most commercially viable vertical farm is in Moscow.

    • Thanks: mal, songbird
  59. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Mohsen_Fakhrizadeh

    As AK says, “based Iran” that cannot even in peacetime protect their most important people, is no barrier against American Empire.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists

    He is wrong it is due to elites trained on US universities.
    The real sixth column in Iran is MEK.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/our-men-in-iran

    Powered by mixture of Islam and Marxism, this underground group is fanatically dedicated and willing to sacrifice their lives for their cause.

    Iran tried hard for 40 years to eradicate them, and, despite not being limited by “human rights” or “due process” failed so far.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners

    These people are the closest to pre-1917 Russian revolutionaires that exists in our world, and they are on US and Israel side. Future of Iran does not look good.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  60. dux.ie says:
    @Thulean Friend

    > India is now #3 sender country overall to the EU

    Is that why the returning Indians are bringing back the SARS2 Clade 20B Atlantic Flu (30.1%)??

    There seems to be a fair bit of SARS2 Clade 20A/18877T IndianFlu (7.9%) in Belgium in the middle of the year.

  61. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Europe Europa

    The Polish right is only really resistant to Muslim immigration, non-Muslim immigrants seem to be welcomed.

    The European far right seems very pozzed and very Zionist. The British far right is even worse.

  62. Max Payne says:

    I’ll throw in my 2 cents:

    duckduckgo.com lately hasn’t been bad. I can’t tell if its because they are doing a better job indexing obscure websites/blogs/etc. or if google has turned up the censorship. Google feels like its constantly trying to link you to some seller/advert/gay porn…

    I mean Google is still great if you want to look up a quick hard science fact or about entertainment (games/movies) or some answer that isn’t deep or involved or official government/corporate look up. It’s terrible for nearly everything else of value like piracy, grey markets (what do you mean you don’t sell iodine prills anymore?), and obscure blogs of well-informed retirees.

    At least with duckduckgo I don’t feel like I’m wasting my time when I browse page 3 or 4 of searches. With google I get the impression the extra pages are just for show.

  63. Ano4 says:
    @AlexT

    I’ve grown up listening to Viktor Tsoi and Kino. They were very famous back then. A perhaps interesting fact: Bruce Sterling mentioned their music as the favorite band of the main character in his “Islands in the Net” novel.

    I still listen to their songs sometimes. Although I now prefer recalling these years on the rythm of Yanka Diageleva or Alexander Bashlachev, they were more underground and more DIY than Tsoi/Kino.

    They all died young.

  64. Ano4 says:
    @another anon

    These people are the closest to pre-1917 Russian revolutionaires

    In fact the MEK were much more responsible for the triumph of the revolution against the Shah than the more mainstream Shia Islamists that CE after them. Iran had a beginning civil war between the left wing and the right wing of the revolutionary forces that overthrew the Shah. War against Iraq united the country, the MEK fought on the Iraqi side against the Ayatollahs.

    I would say MEK = Ismalili Shiah of the middle ages + Trotskyists of the 1920ies.

    • Replies: @another anon
  65. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    I think the best poet among them was Bashlachev. But he was too intense a person and he died young. A suicide.

    [MORE]

    https://www.culture.ru/poems/220/vremya-kolokolchikov

    He had the craziness in him, буйный был.

    Perhaps the most Russian of them all.

  66. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Somehow he forgot to pronounce his own surname correctly, I’m certain it should have been ‘BeliCH’, but oh well. Somehow a game revolving around Eastern-European emigrant crime failed to include Albanians, what a shame.
    I recall there was a minor Armenian character in GTA5, but unfortunately that game sucked (I never played more than a few hours, although I’d basically quit all vidya by then anyway) even the radio stations were pretty average.

  67. Yevardian says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The US was an alt-right country (de facto) during WWII if you look at old Gallup polls. Didn’t prevent the 1965 immigration act.

    I suggest you look Ron Unz’s writings on The 1965 Immigration Act, even you disagree with some of his more ‘powerful’ takes, he’s an expert on the topic of American race & immigration. Anyway I myself had to admit nearly everything I had assumed about the act was in fact wrong.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  68. Yevardian says:
    @Gerard-Mandela

    I will never understand how intelligent people can be interested in sport.

    • Thanks: Gerard-Mandela
  69. 128 says:

    The reason why the US had to liberalize immigration back in 1965 was that it wanted to win over third world countries that might otherwise side with the Soviets.

  70. 128 says:

    Because one of the primary points the USSR used to attack the West was that they are racist for not allowing nonwhites to immigrate to the West, so the US and other Western countries allowed for mass immigration of nonwhites into their countries in order to parry this line of attack.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  71. This makes me both wistful and enraged.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  72. @128

    The Soviets also heavily funded and trained black anti-apartheid militants in South Africa. Even today I see examples of Russians using BLM and ethnic strife in Western countries as a means of attacking them. That’s why I laugh when I see white South Africans talking as if Russia and Putin are their saviour, that country did all it could to destroy them. They are not their saviours one iota.

    I’m not sure if Russians are just disingenuous hypocrites who throw any mud they can at Western countries, or whether they actually do see themselves as post-racial and truly see racism and ethnic strife as a Western white disease. Dugin’s comments on race would suggest possibly the latter, he described Russia as being part of the “black world” among other things.

    I’ve also noticed that most Russians seem to prefer the “Eurasian” label over “European”, like if you were to say Russia is a “European” country, it seems most would correct you in saying that they are also partially “Asian”.

  73. Sounds like Lukashenko has caved in and is going to go. How embarrassing, “Europe”s last dictator” toppled by a pro-Western, pro-LGBT liberal student mob.

    I guess he was strongly advised to go peacefully before it turns into another Maidan bloodbath?

  74. @Europe Europa

    The Soviets also heavily funded and trained black anti-apartheid militants in South Africa. Even today I see examples of Russians using BLM and ethnic strife in Western countries as a means of attacking them. That’s why I laugh when I see white South Africans talking as if Russia and Putin are their saviour, that country did all it could to destroy them. They are not their saviours one iota.

    Exactly. Why should Putin save anyone?
    Putin is about saving Russia. Russia as Russian state, not “Russian nation” or “Russian race”, this is significant difference. AK blogged about it many times.
    He does not give a shit about tribes of Africa, unless they can somehow benefit Russia, even if some of these tribes have super special white skin.

    I’m not sure if Russians are just disingenuous hypocrites who throw any mud they can at Western countries, or whether they actually do see themselves as post-racial and truly see racism and ethnic strife as a Western white disease.

    What hypocrisy? Pure geopolitics, to fuck with your rival by any possible way.
    And supporting extremists, the more crazy the better, is old and proven method.
    Of course Russia tries to mess with Western countries, just like West messes with everyone.
    Unfortunately for Russia, modern FSB, unlike KGB of old, is far less competent and knowledgeable.

    Dugin’s comments on race would suggest possibly the latter, he described Russia as being part of the “black world” among other things.

    Dugin is of no importance, it is just Western propaganda that made him into some kind of “sooper ebbil secret mastermind” they need.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/dugin-putins-39th-brain/

    39. DUGIN – So influential and close to Putler he wasn’t allowed to hold onto his sociology professorship at Moscow State University. (Even though it’s not like sociology is even a real science, considering that the field is monopolized by SJW quacks in the West, so it should not have been difficult to justify keeping Dugin on).

    • Agree: Ano4, AltanBakshi
  75. @Ano4

    I would say MEK = Ismalili Shiah of the middle ages + Trotskyists of the 1920ies.

    Trotskyists never did anything but talking.

    MEK are exactly what Stalinist propaganda claimed Trotskyists are – secret network of terrorists, assassins and super spies that are everywhere and can be behind every accident and disaster.

    As perfect democratic opposition as there could be.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/senator-mccain-praises-irans-largest-oppositional_b_58f50ec1e4b048372700da6d

    Senator McCain praised MEK members by pointing out “You have stood up and fought and sacrificed for freedom, for the right to live free, for the right to determine your own future, for the rights that are God given. I thank you for being an example, an example to the whole world, that those people who are willing to fight and sacrifice for freedom will achieve it, and you are an example to everyone in the world that is struggling for (freedom).”

    And, as expected, they are supported by Albania 🙂

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/12/27/the-mek-in-albania/

    • LOL: Ano4
    • Replies: @Ano4
  76. Coconuts says:
    @Europe Europa

    This seems fairly clear. I’ve been surprised about it and about how this view seems to be spreading within British academia and media, and given that it is based on some claims that are very open to interpretation.

    It seems to me it is in some way related to demographic change (starting to become more visible and noticeable everywhere in the UK, even very provincial, small places), issues like the Pakistani grooming gangs, plus the demographic projections that started to emerge about the medium/long term future a couple of years ago. Then, various immigrant communities have been here long enough to start to stake a claim to possess the country and shape its future, but also, via woke racial politics, are asserting their difference to and opposition to the white majority.

    (Surprise Brexit also suggested that chunks of the British electorate might actually be mobilisable against globalisation.)

    So it seems they are pushing a narrative about how evil the white British were, particularly the ‘somewhere’ types in the working classes and lower end of the middle classes, in order to forestall political pushback or mobilisation against these changes. An unusual feature of it, which I think underlines its immediate political purpose, is that the Irish also appear to be treated as collectively guilty of British imperialism.

  77. @Yevardian

    There’s literally a mission where you dress up as an Albanian and stage a false flag killing of a bunch of other gang members in order to start a gang war, a few other missions involve Albos too

    https://i0.wp.com/www.jacketscreator.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/gta-4-jacket.jpg?fit=1275%2C1500&ssl=1

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  78. @Yevardian

    I recall there was a minor Armenian character in GTA5,

    There was a mission where you had to kill an Azeri I’m pretty sure. The character you played as (Michael I think) was deliberately butchering the name of the country and pronouncing it as “Azervagina”

  79. Ano4 says:
    @another anon

    MEK are exactly what Stalinist propaganda claimed Trotskyists are – secret network of terrorists, assassins and super spies that are everywhere and can be behind every accident and disaster.

    Exactly, and this is why I added the Ismaili Batiniyyah to my definition. Besides, the higher IQ Trotskyists progressively morphed into the Neolib/Neocon strain that infected the Western elites.

    Therefore, saying that they were good at nothing at all is probably too harsh a sentence. I do not really see that much difference between the phantasms of Herr Scheab and the visions of tovarish Bronshtein.

    • Replies: @another anon
  80. A123 says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    The best dreams are the ones that come true, like this one.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
  81. @Ano4

    Therefore, saying that they were good at nothing at all is probably too harsh a sentence. I do not really see that much difference between the phantasms of Herr Scheab and the visions of tovarish Bronshtein.

    LOL.

    Compare this corporate speak drivel

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/06/now-is-the-time-for-a-great-reset/

    The Great Reset agenda would have three main components. The first would steer the market toward fairer outcomes. To this end, governments should improve coordination (for example, in tax, regulatory, and fiscal policy), upgrade trade arrangements, and create the conditions for a “stakeholder economy.” At a time of diminishing tax bases and soaring public debt, governments have a powerful incentive to pursue such action.

    etc…

    with this grand vision.

    No contest.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1924/lit_revo/ch08.htm

    Man will make it his purpose to master his own feelings, to raise his instincts to the heights of consciousness, to make them transparent, to extend the wires of his will into hidden recesses, and thereby to raise himself to a new plane, to create a higher social biologic type, or, if you please, a superman.

    It is difficult to predict the extent of self-government which the man of the future may reach or the heights to which he may carry his technique.

    Social construction and psycho-physical self-education will become two aspects of one and the same process. All the arts – literature, drama, painting, music and architecture will lend this process beautiful form. More correctly, the shell in which the cultural construction and self-education of Communist man will be enclosed, will develop all the vital elements of contemporary art to the highest point.

    Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser and subtler; his body will become more harmonized, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx.

    And above this ridge new peaks will rise.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Ano4
  82. 128 says:

    So why did not Russia and the Soviets develop bullpup rifles unlike the Chinese and the Europeans?

  83. AaronB says:

    An implicit assumption in all politics these days is that there is one way of life that is best for everyone, and politics is the process by which one factions wins and imposes its vision on everyone else.

    It seems not to have occurred to anyone that there are multiple legitimate lifestyles for humans. There is no one good life. Humans can flourish in a variety of ways.

    My lifestyle would be poison for some, while I have suffered from relatives, friends, and workplaces trying to impose their values and lifestyles on me, most regrettably.

    Strangely, it seems very important to us that others live like us and have our values, as if something very important is being threatened by others not living like us and sharing our values. The sight of someone with different values seems to threaten us.

    There is something about living in America that makes one partisan and political. Growing up in America, I was very political, like everyone. Travelling and doing business in Asia for a decade and a half, I lost my interest in politics. Something of that Oriental indifference stuck to me (the Orient is changing and not what it was a decade ago). Returning to live in America, by some natural process I became political again.

    Asia has always been less plaugued by politics and ideologies than the West. In a sense Asia has had no history. Westerners have seen this as a defect, but it may be Asia’s most attractive quality. But it all depends on your values. Anyone who has spent time in old Asia has a little bit of that sense that the mad rushing to and from of the West is silly.

    Seeing my values and sense of life under pressure back in America, I saw no option but to fight back. It seemed to me, if I dont fight for my values they will be crushed. So I became part of the game of trying to impose my values on others, like everyone else. So you get ensnared.

    Paradoxically, the best way for multiple value systems to coexist is if there is one central value system that everyone pays lip service to. With one clear set of rules that no one publicly challenges, people become less anxious and more tolerant. They turn a blind eye and wink at discreet infractions. All you have to do is learn the subtle art of the fig leaf.

    Conservatives and right wingers don’t know this, but they will be freer once the Left completely wins. The worst thing for tolerance and freedom is when ideologies are still competing. Then they are ruthless. The right is terrified of a total victory of the Left, but it is only then that they will find they are actually tolerated. But they will have to learn the art of the fig leaf and the art of contradiction.

    For instance, a conservative school may be required to have one or two classes in woke ideology to get government funding, but in all essential ways it can teach a conservative lifestyle and value system and live by that. A wink and a nod.

    There is a way of seeming to comply without complying, of seeming to agree without doing so. Western visitors to Asia used to say Asians were past masters at this subtle art, but we will have to learn it too. We all know how Japan seemed to comply with free trade while restricting the entry of foreign goods.

    Our problem in the West is that, perhaps because of Christianity or Greek philosophy, we place too much importance on words. We think words are magic and create reality. If we say we agree with a value system, we magically create it in the world. Let your yes be yes, and your no, no. But Asians have a way of saying yes that clearly means no. Its deliciously amusing to witness.

    We mistake public appearances for reality, but public appearances are just the fictions we use to create social harmony. No intelligent adult should take them too seriously.

  84. @Europe Europa

    Even today I see examples of Russians using BLM and ethnic strife in Western countries as a means of attacking them

    LOL – what nonsense. There is quite literally zero interest in Russia in the BLM movement and it’s ideology. They are attacking the hypocrisy of the US on these issues, of course, as we would be idiotic to not do so. What we have not done, sadly, is not attack US retards for the WEIRD black/white dynamic that exists within their most famous black people – Michael Jackson, OJ Simpson, Tiger Woods and others

    That’s why I laugh when I see white South Africans talking as if Russia and Putin are their saviour, that country did all it could to destroy them. They are not their saviours one iota

    Some random Soros bitches prevented Rosatom from building a nuclear power station in South Africa. Now this is a country with regular power outages and energy problems, a struggling economy with an increasing population size . Many areas forced to go on some rota system of load shedding where power is deliberately out for a few hours as their energy problems are so bad……on top of that further problems are caused because of course the Africans are always stealing the copper from the wires. Russia building this station could literally save the country and generate jobs and further intellectual capital…..but obviously western organised “peaceful protest” against it stopped it being built because of some non-existent environmental concerns generated by western lie propaganda against Russia

    • Replies: @Pericles
  85. Ano4 says:
    @another anon

    They have become less poetic; they appealed to intelligentsia then. They talk to the managerial class today. And the style was more flowery then, it is more “mechanical ” today.

    But the talk about “the novel man” and the “shining tomorrows ” is still the same.

    What’s the difference between this:

    Man will become immeasurably stronger, wiser and subtler; his body will become more harmonized, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx.

    And what some (naive) transhumanists promise today?

    But I am not surprised in the least, I know that at the very origins of what we call transhumanism today was Russian Cosmism, that was in a sense the esoteric teaching behind the dialectical materialism of the Communist party. If Bogdanov Malinovsky was here today he would be sitting next to Herr Swabb at Davos. If Leiba Bronshtein was there in 2020 he would be lively discussing the current affairs with Orit Gadiesh and Yuval Noah Harari. They would all get along perfectly well.

    🙂

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  86. A123 says:

    Yet another blow to Blue Coup: (1)

    “The Pennsylvania House of Representatives has the duty to ensure that no citizen of this Commonwealth is disenfranchised, to insist that all elections are conducted according to the law, and to satisfy the general public that every legal vote is counted accurately.”

    Pennsylvania State Sen. Doug Mastriano, a Republican, said Friday that the GOP-controlled state legislature will make a bid to reclaim its power to appoint the state’s electors to the Electoral College, saying they could start the process on Nov. 30.

    “So, we’re gonna do a resolution between the House and Senate, hopefully today,” he told Steve Bannon’s War Room on Friday. “I’ve spent two hours online trying to coordinate this with my colleagues. And there’s a lot of good people working this here. Saying, that the resolution saying we’re going to take our power back. We’re gonna seat the electors.

    The key swing states impacted by ballot fraud have Republican Legislatures. You can see the alignment for every state here (2).

    And, the U.S. Constitution gives those Legislatures exclusive authority for the selection of Presidential Electors. (3)

    Clause 2. Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office

    — Could this be the end of Direct Voting for Presidential Electors?
    — Why not let the Legislatures in each state always pick that state’s Electors?

    I am not sure that I like this idea, but we do not want to have to go through this again in another 4 years.

    The DNC embraces vote fraud as a party value. They are unwilling to hold fair elections that might challenge elite power. Fortunately, the SJW Globalists have been incompetent as well as corrupt. The nation cannot count on mouth breathing, moronic Democrats making mistakes every time. With rampant corruption in Blue Cities making honest elections impossible, this may be the next best option.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pennsylvania-republicans-introduce-resolution-disputing-election-results

    (2) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2020:_State_legislative_chambers_that_changed_party_control

    (3) https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-2/03-electoral-college.html

  87. songbird says:
    @Europe Europa

    The Soviets also heavily funded and trained black anti-apartheid militants in South Africa.

    It’s remarkable how many Jewish immigrants to South Africa from the Soviet Union turned on South African whites. Some of them seem like they achieved positions with the ANC’s victory, but I wonder how many of them have children, and whether the children will be able to obtain such positions. I also wonder how many of them moved on, to other countries, while still holding to the same views.

    Japan seems to have been one of the few countries willing to trade with white South Africa, but they have their own, earlier peccadilloes regarding race. They helped create the Nation of Islam in America, and, after WWI, they were the first to propose an international doctrine about the universality of man (no doubt, with a narrow view to their own interests, and not the slightest comprehension of the long term consequences.)

  88. Some map porn picked up on teh interwebz:

    Most chess players IMHO are awful people though.

  89. 128 says:

    Well for all of the people complaining about reddit being an echo chamber, this blog is also a one-sided echo chamber when it comes to China issues, and people just drone on and on about their points and do not really debate or engage one another. And you have people claiming to be knowledgeable on the point they are really ignorant of. Or dismissing experts when they are hardly a walking encyclopedia themselves.

  90. 128 says:

    I tend people’s personal views here tend to underplay the US’ and Europe’s attractiveness to top global talent because of their views of Western societies. And about the quality of debate I actually saw more varied debates on the reddit political discussion subreddit than on the China economy thread.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  91. Ray P says:
    @songbird

    Turn Russia into Fallout-land!

    • Replies: @songbird
  92. And about the quality of debate I actually saw more varied debates on the reddit political discussion subreddit than on the China economy thread.

    Deluded. More likely you just find the opinions there more appealing.

    • Replies: @128
  93. Pericles says:
    @128

    I think we’re well aware that our homes are quite attractive to global talent at all levels.

  94. 128 says:
    @Shortsword

    I remember pointing out how rising debt to GDP ratio is indicative of falling productivity, and nobody addressed that point, instead, they just post some irrelevant point about IQ, without addressing the relationship of debt growth per unit of output and productivity. Or just go into inane whataboutism just to change the topic.They do not seem to be aware either that China can not just export its way out of trouble unless they want Americans to go further into consumer debt.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  95. Pericles says:
    @songbird

    I seem to recall Israel was willing to trade with SA, and in the end acquired their nukes too.

    As to immigrants, there was for instance Joe Slovo, born in Lithuania.

    Joe Slovo (born Yossel Mashel Slovo; 23 May 1926 – 6 January 1995) was a South African politician, and an opponent of the apartheid system. A Marxist-Leninist, he was a long-time leader and theorist in the South African Communist Party (SACP), a leading member of the African National Congress (ANC), and a commander of the ANC’s military wing Umkhonto we Sizwe (MK).

    • Replies: @songbird
  96. @128

    Thanks for sharing. Maybe you feel persecuted and mistreated but at least your comment is visible.

  97. Pericles says:
    @Gerard-Mandela

    Some random Soros bitches prevented Rosatom from building a nuclear power station in South Africa. Now this is a country with regular power outages and energy problems, a struggling economy with an increasing population size .

    A sincere thank you to the random Soros bitches. That would truly have been a disaster in the making.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
  98. songbird says:
    @Ray P

    On display in the nuclear-branded botanical garden might be some early varieties of GMOs created by radiation. Maybe, one such product of a vertical farm could become a holiday treat which would spark conversations, just as many people talk about poinsettias on Easter, pumpkins on Halloween, or flowers on Valentine’s Day. What is needed is a state holiday to celebrate nuclear energy, where kitchy, nuclear-themed products could be sold.

    Does Russia have any state holidays that could be readily converted? In one sense, I think May Day would be good to use, for its connotations regarding labor – nuclear energy being labor-saving, but I think it would be better in wintertime than in spring, as the cold makes one more appreciate of man-made wonders.

    Of course, Russia should also have a Pleistocene park made by de-extincting animals found frozen in the tundra. Naturally, such a park would have much merchandise to go along with it. Woolie burgers and leatherwork. Art carved from the tusks.

    They should also consider an underground, horror-theme park based on the Metro series.

  99. songbird says:
    @Pericles

    With his first wife, Slovo had three daughters. As far as I can tell, they all live in England, from the time of his exile there in the early ’60s.

    I think there is some Jewish guy (who was a revolutionary) who serves as a sanitation minister in South Africa now, or at least did a few years ago. The population of Jews in South Africa has definitely fallen since 1991.

  100. @songbird

    The apartheid state never fell for Jewish South Africans and in some ways even increased. Striker had an interesting article about it last year. I’d argue that Jewish privileges increased with the ANC in power, which is why it easy to understand why so many supported it.

    Jews in South Africa get to keep their own ethnic segregation while never being accused of racism. It’s a win-win for them.

    You’re correct about emigration, though. For all the racialised privileges Jews enjoy, South Africa is still South Africa. And Israel is a lot richer today than in the 1980s, and less violent.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @songbird
  101. Speaking of South Africa, it’s notable that even before COVID-19, they had five consecutive years of decline in per head incomes. The emigration of their tiny skilled middle-class is relentless.

    South Africa is a special case. It has significant ideological import for neoliberal elites. Seeing it fail has political repercussions elsewhere, as it will give arguments to nationalists in domestic discourse. Preventing its collapse has a higher-order priority than given to other countries.

    Nevertheless, how many IMF bailouts can paper over the gaping abyss? Seems to me that the long-term trajectory is Zimbabwe.

  102. @Pericles

    WTF? How could that possibly have been a “disaster” ?

    Which part about energy problems and struggling economy did you not understand the first time in my post?

    • Replies: @Pericles
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  104. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    South African Jews were perhaps the most bourgeois community that invested in Israel. For example, they built cities like Savyon as their retirement homes.

    Israel was quite a culturally socialistic country until the 1990s, where people lived either in small apartments, or collective farms. Even the suburbs of the local bourgeois, had small and modest houses.

    Bourgeois South African Jews, are the ones who built the large houses and estates in Savyon, with things likes swimming pools.

    These South African suburbs, did not seem to conform to the nationalist cultural ideal of Israel, where people were supposed to equal, and even wealthy elite were supposed to live in a modest house.

    Israel is a lot richer today than in the 1980s, and less violent.

    Zionist Jews in wealthy countries behave in a similar way, in relation to Israel. Adults have professions and businesses in their own country, so they cannot immigrate to Israel, without losing their income source, and having to adapt to an alien Middle Eastern culture.

    Bourgeois Westernized Jews cannot exchange their bourgeois life in a country like South Africa, for a professional downgrade and the Middle Eastern culture of Israel.

    It’s something similar in Israel now with American Jews. If you look around the areas where there are the most expensive residential skyscrapers in Israel, people in those areas seem like lazy, young unemployed people speaking English.

    Americans had invested in new property in Israel. In the last decade, Israel started to heavily tax foreign property owners. Probably it seems like some of these Americans have responded by sending their children to apply for citizenship and manage their investments in Israel.

    Wealthy people in Russia, do the same pattern (without the political ideology), with London and Florida. They invest in property in London or Miami, and then their children go as students, to stay in the apartments. Similarly, it looks like Chinese are doing this pattern with Vancouver.

  105. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    On the inter-state level, Israel and South Africa were historically best friends. A Communist Party employed people like Joe Slovo, would be probably informally working from the KGB, who would influence the Commuist Party apparatus, and produce their literature.

    South African Jews are probably still one of the most gated and insulated demographics in South Africa. When some would retire in Israel, they constructed the luxury housing districts like Savyon.

    From the 1980s at least, it seems like South African Jews, were encouraging their children were encouraged to immigrate to Israel.

    Probably the adults are sensing the political instability in South Africa and therefore they were sending their children to Israel. However, adults would still have jobs and businesses in South Africa, and such middle class Jews could not easily adapt to the brutal working class Middle Eastern culture of Israel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2U2DA3M1fE.

    • Replies: @songbird
  106. Pericles says:
    @Gerard.Gerard

    They wouldn’t have been able to take care of it, you see.

  107. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    significant ideological import for neoliberal elites.

    As we saw in Russia* and Ukraine, neoliberalism doesn’t necessarily have a good result, without a certain level of property rights and social capital.

    Without stable institutions, transparency, politicians can use sometimes such vocabulary of “public-private partnership”, as confusing rhetoric to give contracts to their friends and oligarchs. The neoliberal vocabulary becomes just an ideological cover for “state capture”.

    In addition to these postsoviet style problems, South Africa also has all the problem of mass emigration of its skilled labour and entrepeneurs, which had been among the most talented in the world.

    South Africa really the showcase of a braindrain disaster: Elon Musk, is a South African immigrant, yet all talents support California’s economy, instead of South Africa’s.**

    * I think nowhere in the world is more neoliberal vocabulary than in daily speech of Russian officials, and yet nowhere perhaps is it used more inaccurately – I wrote a post about this topic here. For example, when employees of government funded companies, complain about “dumping” by international competitors. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-needs-to-block-western-subversion-networks/#comment-3989759)

    ** Johannesburg in 1974. In the alternative universe where the successful political model of the 1970s had continued, South Africa should have a hyperloop by now. Imagine if Tesla would be a South African company.

    • Replies: @Rattus Norwegius
  108. Ano4 says:

    Meanwhile in France:

    [MORE]

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En7HL1uWMAAbtc1?format=jpg&

    (Bring down capitalism, build solidarity)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En7HL1uWMAAbtc1?format=jpg&

    (Banque de France building in Paris on fire)

  109. 128 says:

    Maybe road infrastructure is easier to maintain? If you look at South African highways and motorways they are still very much at developed country standards, unlike its power and electrified rail which is falling apart.

    • Agree: Gerard.Gerard
    • Replies: @Gerard.Gerard
  110. 128 says:

    If you look at Russia’s rail infrastructure, it is comparably backward compared to China, although a large percentage of China’s HSR lines are basically white elephants. Maybe Russia should try to stimulate its economy by going on a massive HSR building spree, and it should still be a lot more useful than building empty cities in the middle of the Mongolian steppe.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  111. @Thulean Friend

    Professional jobs in London are full of white South Africans.

  112. Bro, they posted full illustrated Nihang Nama and only 53 p

    https://www.manglacharan.com/long-form-text-content

  113. Dmitry says:
    @128

    There’s a new high speed train to begin construction next year (although project is now frozen because of coronavirus), between Chelyabinsk-Ekaterinburg.

    Russia should try to stimulate its economy by going on a massive HSR building spree,

    An idea that building faster trains would “boost GDP”, is an example of what psychologists might call “magical thinking”.

    Still modernizing trains, is a good thing, that benefits citizens’ lives. There might be a way to encourage China to invest in paying partly for these projects. There is an idea to help China to think about Russian infrastructure as a “silk road”. China wants to invest in opening trade routes for cargo to Europe, or is at least using this as way to justify investing (or wasting its citizens’ money) on sometimes quite unrelated projects abroad.

  114. LOL wat? India holds Kashmir cuz of Patiala State Army (Sikh) and 1st Sikh Regiment (Infantry Day)

    Nehru literally called ceasefire as Sikh were in process of conquering Lahore, Kasur, Sialkot etc.

    Dogras left 600k dead Muslims in 6 days in Jammu.
    The Sword solves all ‘demographic’ problems

  115. haha, who could have thought about this happening, what an unexpected surprise…not:

    The high-profile epidemiologist who led Sweden’s no lock-down strategy in the spring appears to be being sidelined by the government after his prediction that greater immunity would mean a lighter second wave proved badly wrong.

    Anders Tegnell’s biweekly press conference was on Thursday pushed into the shade by an overlapping press conference fronted by Sweden’s Prime Minister Stefan Lofven, where new scenarios prepared by the Public Health Agency were announced.

    “There’s certainly a split, and I’m pretty sure that many in the government have rather lost faith in the Public Health Agency,” said Nicholas Aylott, an associate politics professor at Stockholm’s Södertorn University.

    “By some counts, we’ve now got exactly the same level of spread of the virus that we had in the spring, and that’s about as clear a refutation of Tegnell’s strategy as you could wish for.”

    Dr Tegnell has always insisted that his Public Health Agency has never pursued a herd immunity strategy, but he repeatedly suggested in the summer that his counterparts in Norway, Finland and Denmark would face a tougher task over the winter because of lower levels of immunity in their populations.

    This month, though, the number of deaths in Sweden has again begun to soar above that of its Nordic neighbours, with 630 deaths so far registered as a result of Covid-19. That is about ten times the per capita death rate in Norway — where just 30 Covid-19 deaths were registered between October 28th and November 25th.

    https://uk.news.yahoo.com/swedish-government-sidelines-epidemiologist-steered-102636212.html

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Jaakko Raipala
  116. @128

    Incredible, because you have to assume that African car ownership has increased exponentially, so the roads should be much harder to maintain compared to pre-apartheid.

    As a counterpoint though, I have heard afew of my South African friends say that its cheaper to fly from Cape Town to Johannesburg or Johannesburg to Durban….. than it is to drive, because there are some toll roads. Maybe they just use the plentiful toll road money from those two essential routes for business and every holiday season very well…. although this would only partially explain why the Africans in SA excellently maintain their roads.

  117. Ano4 says:
    @sudden death

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7119964/

    TL;DR Insufficient antibodies levels after an initial immunization or Insufficient neutralization due to viral antigen mutations could lead to antibody enhancement of viral entry of coronaviridae into cells that they normally infect poorly or even possibly do not infect at all.

    This means that after a first wave of infections, or after a vaccination campaign, a secondary infection is possible with more pronounced symptoms.

    This raises the question whether the herd immunity or vaccine induced population protection against COVID-19 is even possible.

    The Swedish case seems to imply the opposite.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @sudden death
  118. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    With all of the new proposed covid vaccines measuring with a 90%+ effectiveness, I was under the impression that the virus’ days were definitely going to be limited, especially as more and more people get inoculated? The virus is to be limited to the number of new bodies that it can enter into and continue to grow, I’ve been told?

    How about the individual who gets one of the new vaccines, will their immunity be strengthened enough to withstand any viral incursions?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  119. Slightly old but Putin fired the Deputy Head of the FSB. That’s a big thing.

    https://amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/ins/society/22/10/2020/5f91a8b09a7947df1fd2bef6

    • Replies: @sudden death
  120. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    How about the individual who gets one of the new vaccines, will their immunity be strengthened enough to withstand any viral incursions?

    The inoculation with the viral antigen in the vaccine should induce an immune response including production of neutralizing antibodies. If (or as long as) the amount of the antibodies is sufficient to completely neutralize the virus, then the person would normally be protected.

    But after a variable period of time, the immune response subsides and the amount of antibodies lowers. There are still residual antibodies produced, but they are not sufficient to completely eliminate the viral replication.

    Then if a subsequent infection with the same virus occurs, the remaining antibodies are used by the immune system to “flag” the viral antigens and respond to the virus presence faster than the first time. This is true for all viruses, except that certain viruses (dengue fever, coronaviridae such as SARS and MERS etc.) have an additional mechanism which will use the residual antibodies to enter the immune cells and infect them despite these cells not having the proper viral receptors. These antibodies would not be numerous enough to completely neutralize the virus, but numerous enough for the virus to use them to get into contact with the immune cells.

    This is what is called Antibody Enhancement; the use of the antibody as an alternative (or additional) viral receptor. Antibody Enhancement would lead to weakened immune response (the immune cells get infected instead of killing the virus) and would allow for a higher viral replication in the initial stages of the disease. Immune cells being present and also moving across the body it would also facilitate the rapid spread of the virus in different anatomical niches.

    We now know that a large proportion of the infected people are asymptomatic in the case of COVID-19, probably because their immune system responds to the virus in an adequate manner. But if the Antibody Enhancement exists within COVID-19 disease, then during the second wave a larger proportion of infected people would show aggravated symptoms because the virus would use the residual antibodies produced during the first infection and lowered due to the time that passed since the first inoculation.

    We don’t know yet if SARS-CoV-2 (the COVID-19 virus) uses Antibody Enhancement, but due to its similarity to SARS and MERS it might possibly be the case. The situation in Sweden, where more people seem to exhibit more pronounced symptoms than during the first wave of infection, might well be the sign that Antibody Enhancement exists in COVID-19 disease.

    If it is truly the case, then the efficiency of the vaccines might be substantially lowered in time and on top of it the subsequent infection of the vaccinated persons might lead to aggravated disease. This might also happen if the virus mutates sufficiently to prevent a high level of neutralizing antibodies from completely neutralizing it, but still allowing the virus to use these antibodies as a an alternative receptor through Antibody Enhancement.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

    Linked above is a paper about this possibility.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack, dfordoom, AP
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  121. Mr. XYZ says:
    @AP

    Yes, Germany rather than France is next door, but still, life in France really isn’t that bad for someone who moves there from the developing world.

    As for generous welfare, can’t Poland and Czechia make their welfare more generous over time once they will become wealthier?

    As for established communities, they exist right now but not so much several decades ago. Yet, the migrants still came–and not just to France, but also to countries such as Sweden, Denmark, and Finland that didn’t have much of a colonial history–and where the migrants had no idea how to speak the languages of those countries before they actually moved there.

  122. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Non-Muslim Indians, non-Muslim Filipinos, Mongolians, and moderate Turks shouldn’t be particularly problematic for Poland to absorb even in large numbers–should they?

  123. Mr. XYZ says:
    @A123

    If they’re actually good dreams! 😉

  124. @Thulean Friend

    South Africa is a high risk economy for investors. The country is plagued by corruption and instability. Should it stabilise it is likely going to be great for shareholders.

    Do you think South African trends are going to change for the better soon?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Dan Hayes
  125. @Dmitry

    It is true that South Africas economy is hampered by emigration of skilled people.

    Nowadays more skilled Black South Africans are emigrating than White South Africans. The pool of potential White emigrants certainly played a part in this, aswell as the increasing level of education of Black South Africans.

    https://www.news24.com/news24/travel/more-black-than-white-south-africans-leaving-the-country-20190825

    In Musk’s case he would could probably not be as successfull in South Africa as he has been in America, even if he wanted to.

  126. On the Molokans

    The Molokans a group of Christian dissident of Slavic descent. Large portions of the community was forced to relocate to the Caucasus. Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, most of the Molokan communities in the Caucasis relocated to Russia.

    I am not sure of how the Molokan demographics look like, but apparantly they have a relativly high birth rate. Not as high as the Amish or Haredim, but closer to a tfr of 3-4 children.

    Population estimates of the Molokans seem to be bad.

    Prior to the Russian revolution there was some Molokan communities in Russia proper and Ukraine. Though i am not certain if these still exists, or if they have been absorbed by the mainstream.

    There is also a small Molokan diaspora in Australia and the United States. Most of whom it appears have assimilated into the mainstream.

  127. Dmitry says:
    @Rattus Norwegius

    One of the important factors for economic growth in South Africa, surely depends on the position in the commodity cycle.

    South Africa’s economy likely depends significantly on the external commodity markets, as economies like Australia, Russia and Brazil.

    South Africa’s economy looks almost like a “lost decade”, since peaking in 2011. This economy shape of the last decade has been quite similar as in some other commodity exporting economies, after the peak of the last commodity supercycle.

    In the commodity cycle that collapsed in the mid-late 1980s, there was around 15 years from beginning of decline (if I am reading the graphs correctly), before prices skyrocketed in early 2000s.

    If the commodity cycle would repeat like last time – after the decline of the 2010s, we would expect commodity prices to skyrocket maybe before 2030?

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  128. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    If I condense all that you’ve written and understand you, to put it simply. it seems that the vaccine is effective for a “variable” amount of time. and then for several reasons including the possibility of mutation, the shield that it provides could wear off. Isn’t this similar to the normal flu virus vaccine that we now experience on a yearly basis that is remedied by the arrival of newer, more focused vaccines that are created to target mutations and other new viruses every year? I’ve heard that even the initial inoculations will be followed up in approximately a month to increase its potency/effectiveness. Perhaps, for a couple of years, the proper response will be to experience newer more current vaccines every 6 months or so?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  129. @Philip Owen

    why, the guy was 70 yo, was not arrested or something, looks simply might have became a natural pensioneer?

  130. AaronB says:

    Is Israel’s Mossad having a mini Golden Age? And how long will it last? Is Iran a morally compromised society that cannot count on the loyalty of its population, such that even high level people are willing to cooperate with foreign powers?

    From today’s New York Times –

    The raid alone was brazen enough. A team of Israeli commandos with high-powered torches blasted their way into a vault of a heavily guarded warehouse deep in Iran and made off before dawn with 5,000 pages of top secret papers on the country’s nuclear program…

    Mr. Fakhrizadeh’s killing was the latest in a decade-long pattern of mysterious poisoning, car bombings, shootings, thefts and sabotage have that afflicted the Islamic Republic. Most have hit largely anonymous scientists or secretive facilities believed to be linked to its nuclear program, and almost all have been attributed by both American and Iranian officials to Tehran’s great nemesis, Israel, whose officials have all but openly gloated over the repeated success of their espionage without formally acknowledging that Israeli agents were behind it.

    Never, however, has the Islamic Republic endured a spate of covert attacks quite like in 2020. In January, an American drone strike killed the revered general Qassim Suleimani as he was in a car leaving the Baghdad airport (an attack facilitated by Israel’s intelligence, officials say.) And Iran was humiliated in August by an Israeli hit team’s fatal shooting of a senior Al Qaeda leader on the streets of Tehran (this time at the behest of the United States, its officials have said).

    Seldom has any country demonstrated a similar ability to strike with apparent impunity inside the territory of its fiercest enemy, said Bruce Reidel, a researcher at the Brookings Institution and a former official of the Central Intelligence Agency with experience in Israel.

    “It’s unprecedented,” he said. “And it shows no sign of being effectively countered by the Iranians.”

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
    , @AaronB
  131. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The difference is that the antibodies induced by the vaccination or the primary infection might potentially be used as an alternative receptor during a second infection through Antibody Enhancement.

    Simply put: with this virus the antibodies that are supposed to protect you might potentially make you more sick next time you’re infected.

    Again, this is not proven yet, but this is the case with SARS and MERS.

    If it is indeed the case, then the situation with COVID-19 will not be solved through a single vaccination campaign. Perhaps will not be solved at all through vaccination.

    An easy way of knowing is to watch for a higher number of symptomatic infected people in the 2nd wave. More sick people in the 2nd wave is not what is supposed to happen if the populations is indeed correctly immunized. This would probably happen if there’s Antibody Enhancement with this virus.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Ano4
  132. Yevardian says:
    @Korenchkin

    Oh, well it’s been a long time, I always shared the game with others, so I might have missed that mission. I probably won’t play it, but if they make another GTA game, it should be in Detroit.

  133. Ano4 says:
    @Ano4

    Also see here:

    Болел тяжелее, чем в первый раз. Даже попал в больницу.

    https://sibkray.ru/news/1/938891/

    Use Google Translate if you find the Russian text too complicated.

    TL;DR A Novosibirsk professor got infected with the SARS-CoV-2 twice. The 2nd time he was looking to become infected for experimental reasons: he wanted to know how strong is the acquired immunity.

    Given that he had access to the immunological tests he was able to monitor the antibodies in the blood after first infection, the viral load (PCR) and also the immune functions (through cytokine levels). The antibodies became undetectable 3 months after the 1st infection. The immune system was okay. The second infection occurred 6 months after the first and the symptoms were more severe. First time he did not need hospitalization, the 2nd time he ended up in the hospital. After the 2nd time he again displayed a high level of neutralizing antibodies.

    Not sure he will be brave (or foolish) enough to try getting infected for the 3rd time.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Ano4
  134. Ano4 says:
    @Ano4

    And yeah, I just found that unlike after the first infection, after the second infection his immune system was substantially weakened.

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/11/18/posledstviya/

    This also might suggest Antibody Enhancement.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  135. Ano4 says:
    @Ano4

    I just found this on MedRxiv:

    Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of SARS-CoV-2 infection in recovered COVID-19 patients: studies based on cellular and structural biology analysis

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.08.20209114v1

    This seems to confirm (in vitro) that I have most probably been (unfortunately) right in my previous comments.

    I feel sad…

  136. Mr. Hack says:

    Nice, easy to understand explanation.

    It looks like there will be at least a yearly coronavirus vaccination for several years? Or is it possible that this onetime initial vaccination might do the trick for several years down the road? I realize that the individual who got infected twice might mitigate against such a situation, however, he never received any vaccination at all.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  137. @Dmitry

    I consider it a minor victory that you use nominal, rather than PPP. Nevertheless, I would recommend using the World Bank’s Atlas Index since it smoothes out sharp exchange rate movements and GNI is preferable over GDP for reasons that I won’t get into for the sake of brevity.

    It’s true that all the countries you listed are dependent on commodities, but Australia despite being extremely reliant on it is still rich. The reason spells human capital. This is also something I bring up to discuss why Russia is so poor. Its human capital base isn’t as good as Australia’s, but it should be doing a hell of a lot better than ‘barely better than mexico’. My answer is that systems, not just human capital, matter a great deal. South Africa has neither. Which is why I am pessimistic about it.

    Finally, I don’t think we will see a repeat of the 2000-2014 commodity supercycle. India was thought to be the next China but nobody believes that anymore. The only geographic area which I am very positive about is ASEAN, but they are still some years away from making their presence felt. I think from 2030 they could start making a bigger collective impact, but even then it will be less explosive than what China did in the early 2000s. At most it will have a stabilising or mildly positive pull on prices. Won’t be enough to give another “free ride” to the likes of Brazil, South Africa or Russia for that matter.

    In Russia’s case, it’s even worse as they are mostly reliant on fossil fuels and we’re entering a structural bear market for oil, driven by demand-side constraints.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Dmitry
  138. @AaronB

    Is Iran a morally compromised society that cannot count on the loyalty of its population, such that even high level people are willing to cooperate with foreign powers?

    Iran is a very poor country after years of crushing sanctions. Not even the Chinese are willing to lend much of a hand after what happened to the daughter of Huawei’s CEO. It’s absurd how pro-Israel the policies of the US are. The UAE is being pressured by D.C. to close off work migration visas to a dozen of moslem countries because… those dozen countries haven’t recognised Israel.

    Even Sudan, an African country, is being pressured in its negotiations with the IMF to recognise Israel, as admitted by top officials of that country. It seems like all roads lead to Jerusalem when dealing with the US. Who controls who?

    Given this total isolation and collapsing living standards, it isn’t hard to find traitors within Iran. You’d find it in every society. What’s more remarkable is how officials in wealthy countries like Germany is willing to spy on other Europeans on behalf of the US Empire. Germany intel officials were spying on behalf of the US, with the good knowledge of the authorities, and this is just brushed under the carpet. That, to me, is far more insane but also more interesting in some sense. It reveals the immense power the US has over its subcolonial puppets.

    By comparison, what is happening in Iran is far more banal.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @iffen
  139. @Rattus Norwegius

    Nowadays more skilled Black South Africans are emigrating than White South Africans.

    That’s just the experience of a single firm dealing with visas, according to your own article. There’s no reason to think that is true on a systematic level.

    I do think it will eventually be true, simply because SA will run out of enough white professionals at some point in the future. But it’s still not yet a fact. There are still over 5 million whites in SA and many of them are earning far above the national average.

    If anything, I’d expect Asian professionals, particularly Indians, to emigrate more than blacks. If you look at wealth inequality in SA, most of the “lost” share of whites have gone to Indians. It’s not a coincidence that the Gupta family was deeply involved with the state capture of the previous Zuma administration.

  140. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    It seems that there might be no long term immunity with the conventional (peptidic, recombinant adeniviral or even whole virus inactivated) vaccines, and that under certain conditions the vaccination itself might be detrimental because of ADE.

    Bottom line: perhaps the vaccine will not really help, except for a few months, and then even potentially become detrimental for immune system in case of a re-infection because of ADE. It would also mean there will be no herd immunity.

    This being said, I am not an immunologist and ADE is not a simple topic. So I still hope that they will ultimately prove that there’s no Antibody Enhancement with SARS-CoV-2.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  141. @Thulean Friend

    India was thought to be the next China but nobody believes that anymore.

    They will once there’s a leftist gov in charge again.
    Let’s not act like culture war isn’t real, and India/Japan not being nuked is predicated on them suppressing Dharma. Japan has had mostly Christian PMs and one party rule, India same on the latter.

    You’re just a Gora grifter basking in the attention and novelty of being a white man who says something beside street shitter.

    What’s your opinion on carrying weapons for religious reasons, btw?

  142. AaronB says:
    @Thulean Friend

    I wonder though. I wonder if for instance Israelis would start betraying each other if they came under economic pressure. I think there is such a thing as a healthy society that people want to be loyal to and corrupt societies that alienate people. When there is war, and lots of suffering and deprivation, many countries don’t experience widespread disloyalty. Often despite horrific suffering far greater than what Iran is going through now, people remain largely loyal.

    I think there’s a moral factor that goes beyond the physical. Suffeeing can even stiffen your spine if you’re morally convinced. Somehow, Iran isn’t doing a good job convincing its population they are suffering for a good cause.

    The people of Iran must know that of Iran just stopped being an asshole country that threatens everyone there would be no economic pressure. Its hard to maintain morale in these conditions.

    As for the pressure America is applying on states to recognize Israel, America traditionally makes tremendous efforts to support, defend, and promote liberal states against illiberal authoritarian regimes, as part of America’s policy to make the world liberal. The level of sacrifice and expense America made in Europe, Vietnam, South Korea, and Japan, to defend and support liberal states was and in some cases continues to be infinitely far on excess of what America does for Israel. 58,000 soldiers died in Vietnam, and American garrisons still defend S Korea from the North.

    Israel is a liberal democracy in a crucial part of the world surrounded by authoritarian regimes. Unless we are prepared to say that the European, Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese governments controlled America, we have no grounds to single out Israel here.

    As for Germany spying for America, I am doubtful that it was done for venal reasons, and suspect there was some ideological angle at play, which I don’t know. Thats just based on my understanding of human psychology. I suspect European-American politics are more intricate, and have unsuspected ideological dimensions, that are opaque to those not involved.

    • Troll: Dan Hayes
    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  143. @Rattus Norwegius

    In Musk’s case he would could probably not be as successfull in South Africa as he has been in America, even if he wanted to.

    I imagine he would be restricted to a large extent in South Africa by deliberately anti-white employment, government tendering laws and government subsidy rules.

    Musk would have to have something like 80% black employees to comply with the government’s rules, so I think his companies just wouldn’t work there.

    • Replies: @Rattus Norwegius
  144. @128

    I can’t comment about your discussions with other pro-China commentators, but I consider my pro-China points to be based on multi-sided analysis. From the response I’ve seen from you on China, I have the impression you are not a careful thinker. In one case, you left the conversation when I responded to your response. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-127/#comment-4284801 I felt your response in that case was particularly bad quality and that’s why you continued on.

  145. I think the transgender agenda is a much more widespread thing than most people understand. Many female celebrities/personalities look weirdly masculine to me, like Serena Williams, Michelle Obama, Jennifer Aniston, Lady Gaga, Amal Clooney, etc, and those are just a few of the more well known examples. Large numbers of female media personalities look suspect in my opinion, like 40-50% at least.

    Yet most people don’t even question that they are women. Ultimately I think it’s about deconstructing gender and making traditional notions of male and female meaningless, as if a man can dress as a woman and be unquestioningly recognised by most people as an actual woman, then traditional ideas of gender have indeed become meaningless.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Ray P
  146. iffen says:
    @Thulean Friend

    What’s more remarkable is how officials in wealthy countries like Germany is willing to spy on other Europeans on behalf of the US Empire.

    You write this as if it were a bad thing.

  147. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    While Israeli skill played a big role, I dont think they could do it without lots of people in high positions in Iran willing to cooperate with them, so I think the real take home message is that there is huge disaffection with the regime at the highest levels.

    How the f** do you blast into a heavily guarded vault and steal nuclear secrets without inside help. Only in Hollywood can you do that without inside help – and even woth inside help its difficult enough and requires meticulous planning.

    What this sounds like is that the Iranian regime doesn’t have much time left. Its demise is probably not imminent, but a country that has lost this level of trust isn’t long term viable.

  148. Ano4 says:
    @Europe Europa

    Jennifer Aniston, Lady Gaga, Amal Clooney

    You really find Jennifer Aniston and especially Amal Clooney masculine?

    OTOH:

    [MORE]


    So basically yes, fixed gender is probably gone the way of the dodo birds.

    Anyway, we’re entering the Transhumanism era, so a lot of things will change. Gender is just a part of it.

    • Disagree: AltanBakshi
  149. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    It must be very terrifying for old people to live in South Africa, or for young females.

  150. This anti-Trump attack ad, as usual with these sorts of things, make him look way cooler than he is.

  151. AaronB says:

    The purpose of most online commentary these days is to build up alternate realities insulated from contact with reality and people who disagree. It is to create myth-based communities of people who live by the same myths that give their life meaning. Such a community is naturally threatened by anyone who challenges the meaning-giving myths of the community.

    And this is true of both left and right.

    As commenter 128 observed, no one is really interested in facts about China. Like Israel/Palestine, China appears to acquired symbolic and mythical value. What one feels about China is dictated by what myth-system one has chosen to give ones life meaning, not by any facts. Likewise, any discussion of Israel/Palestine is almost totally useless from the pov of determining truth or working out a solution, but has immense value in understanding what myth system a person has adopted yo huve his life meaning.

    It is amusing to see the pretense of rationality when one discusses China or Israel or any symbolic issue. What is fascinating is that science and rational-thinkkng has become the vehicle for meaning-giving myth. Anatoly Karlin uses the same language of science, facts, and numbers as previous generations of rational thinkers when it comes to China, but it is obvious there has been a subtle break. The forms are still there, but it is evident that his attitude to China is involved with his sense of the meaning of life, and his rationality has become a vehicle for myth that gives his life meaning. And this is doubly so for most commenters. Karlin is more old style rational than most.

    I have always thought that the return to myth and religion would be not by abandoning science but by science retaining its outer form while its inner reality changes. It is a good example of how form and content often contradict each other.

    We are fully into a new Middle Ages.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  152. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Jews are probably more palatable because it is assumed that they operate from a smaller pool, i.e. that there isn’t danger of all 15 million or so of them moving in. They’d be an interesting group to study within South Africa – how they maintain a community with such a small group. And how the Law of Return might effect their investments and other behaviors.

    I don’t know how common it actually is, but it is very shocking when one hears stories about South Africans immigrating to other Third World countries like Malaysia.

    I actually think that Africa would benefit from more segregation. The secret would be to do it tastefully, and on a limited-scale, within defined limits. The nominal GDP of HK is higher than South Africa. If an enclave like HK could be created – though one that was racially-based, while taking up a relatively small footprint, it would create a lot of economic activity that would spill over. It need not be based on superior/inferior rhetoric but just the acknowledgment that identity, community, culture, is important. It need not even be white, as such, but maybe have different ethnic neighborhoods that could have their own ethnic school or parades. It could have a kind of open immigration on a neighborhood level – making it easier to import specialized knowledge, with Right of Return being implicit, (maybe you could only marry people from your own nationality) so that people aren’t actually becoming “South Africans”, but they might be attracted by the lower cost of living, or affordable family formation.

    Of course, I would just prefer that policy to what exists now. My favorite stance towards Africa would be something like the Prime Directive of Star Trek fame. But, in principle, I think there is a lot of room for experimental cities in Africa, which might benefit both Africans and outsiders.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @128
    , @Dmitry
  153. @Ano4

    Anyway, we’re entering the Transhumanism era, so a lot of things will change. Gender is just a part of it.

    Who can imagine the crazy new stuff pervert serial-masturbators will resort to to get off in the future?

    • Replies: @128
    , @Ano4
  154. 128 says:

    Does Orania ring a bell? When it was only a few hundred odd people the response of the local and central government seemed to be to treat it as a joke that was bound to fail eventually due to lack of interest, and to basically ignore it (or maybe the people from Orania also managed to pay the local authorities to ignore them), but now that they have grown to more than a thousand, with no signs of the growth slowing, they will have a growing footprint, which will cause them to draw more attention (plus they are not exactly doing much to turn away the curious local and international media) and so it will be harder for the government to ignore them and pretend that they do not exist, which will increase pressure on the local and national government to do something to resolve the issue, which most likely will not end up in the Oranian’s favor.

  155. 128 says:
    @songbird

    The larger an enclave is (anything more than a few hundred odd people living in the middle of nowhere), the harder it will be to avoid publicity. Imagine if Obama and BLM made it part of their cause to rid Orania from existence.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @songbird
  156. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Actually, we live in the end of the Hellenistic age, in the age of Mystery Cults.

    Its fascinating how cultures repeat themselves, working from the same template.

    Jews have two myths; Joseph and Pharao and the Land of Israel. And its remarkable how the Jewish experience in the Exile reproduced the story of Joseph and Pharaoh; reaching the highest levels of power and wealth, only to be attacked and expelled, followed by a settling of the land of Israel

    Greek culture started with an Age of Myth, then transitioned into a scientific and rational age, followed by a destructive world war, followed by an age of arid rationality, followed by an explosion of Mystery Cults, followed by one of the Mystery Cults becoming dominant and a New Age of myth.

    Europe started with the Middle Ages, transitioned into a scientific and rational age, followed by a destructive world war, followed by a post war age of increasingly arid rationality, followed by an explosion of Mystery Cults.

    Today we are in an age of Mystery Cults. Which means it will be followed by one Myatery Cult winning.

    But history never repeats itself precisely. It may be a variation on a theme, but there is always something slightly different in each round, some slightly different mix of elements.

  157. Beauty matters.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  158. 128 says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    In fact, you can even find ads for houses for sale in Orania on the internet. Plus the hotel there even has a website. Not exactly trying to stay off the radar.

  159. @128

    You don’t say.

    https://www.fairplanet.org/story/george-floyd%E2%80%99s-ghost-haunts-south-africa%E2%80%99s-whites-only-town/

    GEORGE FLOYD’S GHOST HAUNTS SOUTH AFRICA’S WHITES-ONLY TOWN

    “It’s now that that place must be liberated and all South Africans must be allowed to stay wherever they want to stay,” Lesufi, a senior member of South African’s ruling African National Congress party (ANC), went on to say at an event to remember one of the country’s liberation war heroes. “We don’t say we want to stay with them but you can’t have an institution that is established based on language or based on the colour of a skin.”

    Former South African president, Nelson Mandela’s former spokesman, Carl Niehaus, weighed in on the debate saying, “Not keeping quiet is not good enough! Destroy the money, destroy the damn flag. Charge these white, #Orania ‘Boere’, for their racism, throw them in jail. If our laws are not strong enough on racism to do that, pass the necessary legislation. This nonsense cannot be tolerated.” Niehaus, a former political prisoner during the Apartheid era, is also a former spokesman of the ruling ANC party.

    South African rapper Gigi Lamayne also asked how it was possible, 26 years into a democracy, for a place like Orania to existed in South Africa. “As we watch #JusticeForGeorgeFlyod #BlackLivesMatters #GeorgeFloyd #JusticeforCollinsKhosa, I wonder if we realise that it is now more than ever that we must assess the strength in our unity. How does Orania still exist?” she asked.

  160. Estimated population of Orania


    Farming is vital part of Orania’s economy, the most prominent project being a massive pecan nut plantation, one of the largest in South Africa. The plantation has given Orania a substantial economic boost. Most of the agricultural production is exported to China.

    The future is looking bright for Orania.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  161. @Blinky Bill

  162. @Thulean Friend

    The Prem Mandir is constructed entirely of Italian marble and cost 23 million US dollars to build.

  163. @Ano4

    Contrary to what others might think in my “community” of transhumanists, I actually have never believed that transhumanism is particularly unique to this era. When the first ape affixed a stone to a stick and made a spear, he became “transape”; creating a tool from nature that extended his capacity. When we use phones to communicate, we have made ourselves more of a cyborg in using a machine to became more than what we were, and this can immediately apply to memory when we take photographs to assist our brains. Any neuralink(for example) in the future increases the convenience and reach of technology, but I’m not sure if it changes the fundamental nature of it.

    As such, I also don’t believe that things such as sex(I rather dislike the term gender) will vanish either. If it serves a useful purpose(and reproduction does), then I doubt that it is going to vanish. I think that a lot of modern issues are more evidence of poor adaptation and information/status bloat than anything optimal.

    I link Rocco for the rest:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/RokoMijicUK/status/1332443379905531910

    • Agree: Ano4
  164. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Using a tool does not indicate a desire to live forever and expand human power so far that it transcends the human condition.

    Transhumsnism is obviously the secular heir to the great religions. In that sense it is not new, just a physical version of old religious hopes, as so much of the modern world.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  165. Ano4 says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I was into Transhumanism around 25 years ago, before it became mainstream. It influenced a lot of my thinking, but it has certain limitations and a streak of naiveté about it.

    Universe evolves consciousness as a means to create other Universes. Consciousness is what is important – spirit – so to say. Without the right mindset Transhumanism will bring hell upon us. And the right mindset is not here at all.

    So hell it will be.

    Unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Max Payne
  166. AP says:
    @Ano4

    The first paper you linked to is over a year old. Any chance the people making the vaccine have taken its findings into account? Within the paper you now linked to (published in September, written earlier, prior to Phase II of trials presumably):

    “Should it occur, ERD caused by human vaccines will first be observed in larger phase II and/or phase III efficacy trials that have sufficient infection events for statistical comparisons between the immunized and placebo control study arms. Safety profiles of COVID-19 vaccines should be closely monitored in real time during human efficacy trials, especially for vaccine modalities that may have a higher theoretical potential to cause immunopathology (such as inactivated whole-virus formulations or viral vectors)”

    Has this not been examined in Phases II and III in the trials of the three vaccines that are on the verge of mass production?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  167. songbird says:
    @128

    The larger an enclave is (anything more than a few hundred odd people living in the middle of nowhere), the harder it will be to avoid publicity.

    Of course, I agree. But I’m talking about a new ideology, among African elites – one where they want Europeans (or Chinese, etc) to move to an enclave, which, in principle, I believe is different from Orania, which IMO is a kind of Potemkin village to show that whites aren’t being massacred. Something, unless I am mistaken, akin to AaronB’s new vision for diversity – one where community and identity can be appreciated, on a wholesome level.

    Something where there would be some level of sovereignty, under a period of lease, like 99 years. (with the option to renew, if it seems to be going well). And local entry controls. I don’t know if it is politically possible (I know they had something similar under Apartheid) I leave that question aside. But I think it would work economically, provided you could get a large enough scale to seed it. I take it as being for granted, that there would be a negative reaction to it in the West, at first, in the media. But, as I said, it could have another axis, such as to China. And, in the long-term, if Africans were promoting it, opinions might change.

    There might be a benefit to having different cities that act as separate ethnic enclaves. For example, you could use the people as extras to make a film seem like it was shot elsewhere. I imagine that there might be a certain attraction to such a place for tourism – if culture was encouraged as a first principle, and tourists were desired. Maybe, they would have times where they are closed to outsiders, just like they did in Carthage.

    And there would be a lot of room to experiment. Imagine a Singapore that wasn’t an IQ shredder but that exported surplus Chinese to China.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @128
  168. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    Good question. Frankly, I have no idea, but we know that the vaccine development has been speed up considerably and it is quite possible that they jumped a few steps.

    Also ACE-2 and the cytokine balance are directly involved into spermatogenesis. So massive male infertility is to be expected in the next decades.

    The information is starting to leak about this.

    https://live24.ru/obschestvo/36974-minzdrav-zajavil-o-neobratimom-vlijanii-covid-19-na-muzhskuju-fertilnost.html

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7526609/

    I expect a major population drop in the countries where the fertilization clinics are less available or for the social classes who cannot afford the price for the treatment.

    It is an excellent long term tool for depopulation and social eugenics.

    • Replies: @JL
  169. @Blinky Bill

    $23 million is extremely cheap to be fair. That structure looks much better than the $500 million they wasted away on that monstrosity of a statue.

    • Agree: songbird
  170. 128 says:
    @songbird

    You would have a more productive time talking about which supermodels you want to sleep with.

    • Replies: @songbird
  171. JL says:
    @Ano4

    The information is starting to leak about this… I expect a major population drop

    Our intrepid host wrote about this back at the beginning of March:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cucked-by-corona/

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Ano4
  172. Ano4 says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Probably can’t get way further than this:

    You know, Eros / Tanathos stuff. Although we should never underestimate (trans)human imagination.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  173. Ano4 says:
    @JL

    Yes Anatoly was right. It is now confirmed. It would be interesting to think about the consequences down the road. Say two -three generations in the future. Probably also more relevant for the China vs USA GDP debate that the AK blog commentariat were recently so incensed about.

    Although being a well informed optimist, I am inclined to think that by 2075 there will probably be no more USA and perhaps no more China. And there is even a slight possibility that there would be no GDP metric in the present understanding of the term to talk about.

    😄

  174. AaronB says:

    We tend to think of humanity as one species, but it might make better sense to see humanity as composed of several distinct species.

    For instance, the average Unz commenter has a mentality that is as alien to me as that of any parrot or giraffe, and I am not sure what sense it makes to say we belong to the same species. I understand the mentality of many dogs and cats better than people who supposedly belong to the same species as me.

    Obviously, I am not talking about biology here. Humans share about 98% of their DNA with mice.

    Because we see humanity as one species, we think one way of life is right for everyone. But the Left wing rout of Right wingers, may be a better adapted species pushing out a worse adapted species. In other words, right wingers, being a different species, cannot live like left wingers in any conceivable future. They need their own way of life, natural to their species, to flourish.

    Recognizing this, the Left may cease persecuting the right and trying to make them live against their species, abd instead perhaps create reservations where right wingers can live like their species was meant to.

    • LOL: Rattus Norwegius
    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Daniel Chieh
    , @iffen
  175. songbird says:
    @128

    One thing is for certain: the current model is unsustainable, and can’t go on for hundreds of years.

    I try this as a mind experiment: suppose Detroit turned into an African city with a 99 year lease, at at the end of that time, it was established that all the blacks there would leave, and it would be a white city again. (A difficult point to believe – but leave it aside) Would I, as a nationalist, object to that, in principle? Not me – maybe people who live closer. And let’s specify that it wouldn’t be a Lagos in 2100, with 100 million pop. It would be constrained by geography and maybe have population caps.

    Now turn it around again, and you can think of all sorts of amenities that a foreign population could create for Africans. Linkage to a more stable currency, functional institutions like courts where disputes could be arbitrated. High quality hospitals. Perhaps, high quality schools. All within a hop, skip and a jump, from their traditional communities and relatives, rather than thousands of miles away. In principle, it might be possible to build such a city in an uninhabited desert. And the idea is scalable. It might just be a place big enough to have its own elementary school, back-to-back with a different ethnic group with its own elementary school, where culture would be a strong part of the curriculum.

    The CCP made great use of HK for many years, before they opened up their economy – and they had high human capital.

    Imagine such a place, but one that, by its founding principle offered some direct benefit to Africans that they could appreciate. Reliable power generation, or free internet service over an area, or sponsoring the production of black entertainment, which would be streamable. Africa’s most popular show might come out of such a partnership.

  176. From what I’ve read I don’t get the impression that Orania is a “white” town per se, it’s an Afrikaner town and only Afrikaans speakers are allowed to live there, as far as I’m aware Anglophone whites wouldn’t be allowed to live there.

    In fact coloureds (half black) are mostly Afrikaans speakers and culturally closer to Afrikaners than Anglo-South Africans are, if they had to expand their eligibility criteria I suspect that they’d rather take middle class Afrikaans-speaking coloureds before Anglo whites.

    Orania doesn’t seem to be a “white” town in the sense that it doesn’t exist to defend whites as a whole, it exists to defend Afrikaners and the Afrikaans language.

  177. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    For non-black people, South Africa was considered a wealthy country, with a civilized lifestyle. It seems that it has almost an anglosaxon culture.

    If a higher proportion of the Jews in South Africa were a middle class population (which I assume), then the adults would not find it easy to adapt to the primitive Middle Eastern culture of Israel. On average, it would be easier for them to immigrate to a gentle country like Australia or United Kingdom.

    On the Wikipedia, it writes this: “South Africa’s Jewish community differs from its counterparts in other African countries in that the majority have remained on the continent rather than emigrating to Israel. Among potential Jewish emigrants, many were likelier to select a destination popular among other South Africans, such as Australia.[6]”.

    It must be very terrifying for old people to live in South Africa, or for young females.

    Some of rural Boer population of South Africa, seemed to be addicted to farming where there is a conflict and danger.

    For example, there are Boer landowners which married Orthodox Jewish women, and then relocated from South Africa in the 1980s, into the most dangerous parts of the West Bank.

    It’s not just that they wanted to live under rocket fire (as in mainland Israel), but these Boer families immigrated to the most undeveloped conflict areas, so that their fields would be surrounded on all sides by violent Islamist insurgency.

    From what I can understand, the Israeli children of those South African settlers inherit now extremely dangerous, valueless lands they need to guard all night from Palestinian attacks.

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2028721604014022

    https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2031838877035628

  178. songbird says:

    Going back to literature for a moment:

    Even without considering dysgenics, I think there was a golden age, where just the right amount of technology existed to spur the imagination, but not so much that it had really started to break down social bonds and moral principles, to the point where interpersonal relationships and virtue-signaling (replacing true morals) are the most tedious part of fiction now, since the writing of them is so poor. We get love triangles and characters being described with a phrase out of nowhere like “his black skin” – I’ve wondered if it was for the publisher, even back in the ’70s or ’80s, as at least once, I knew the author, Pournelle, was a race-realist.

    I’ve been reading The Suicide Club by Stevenson (which D_for_Doom recommended). Only about a third way through it (though it is short), but it is quite good, and I’m reminded why Stevenson was a good author.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  179. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    For example, there are Boer landowners which married Orthodox Jewish women

    That’s an interesting phenomenon. The Law of Return allowing for spouses, I believe. Probably a great deal of similarity among more traditional Boers and Orthodox Jews.

    I think I would be scared to go to Israel as a tourist. Maybe not now, with Iron Dome. But certainly a decade or two before, when many were moving there, or I knew people visiting it.

  180. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    This dependence on commodity exports, is independent of countries’ “human capital”.

    Australia despite being extremely reliant on it is still rich. The reason spells human capital.

    Australia was originally populated primarily by rejects and criminals of the United Kingdom (which was continuing to send orphans there into the second half of the 20th century), yet today it has an even higher standard of living than the Kingdom itself. So it doesn’t match too well to “human capital” hypothesis for development, considering that the base population there descends in significant extent from negative immigration selection.

    All the countries which were created by English culture, are the among the most desirable countries in the world for living in, and there’s a reason half the world wants to immigrate to them.

    It cannot be denied that there is some “English formula” for successful political and social development of a country. Canada, USA, New Zealand, Australia, UK and Bermuda – all among the most desirable places in the world to live in. To some extent, Republic of Ireland, Singapore and Hong Kong are also a product of English political culture. Moreover, the only desirable Chinese cultures for living in, are the ones which were ruled for significant number of years, by English institutions and political culture.

    Today, the anglosaxon country with the most dysfunctional lifestyle is perhaps USA, which is the country which rebelled most against the United Kingdom and has diverged most from the English political/cultural formulas.

    On the topic of successful English-speaking countries, the saddest country is surely Zimbabwe. Rhodesia was a successfully developing country. which would have been better never to attain independence from the English, and even more convert into Zimbabwe (here was also partly another example of the terrible effect of Soviet policy in Africa).

  181. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    The standard qualification for criminality was less rigorous in the past than today. Consider that an orphan stealing food would be treated as a criminal, and that a surname like Lawless is pretty respectable today.

    Today, the anglosaxon country with the most dysfunctional lifestyle is perhaps USA, which is the country which rebelled most against the United Kingdom

    Also the former British country with the most blacks outside of Africa. Jamaica left the empire pretty late, but is still quite dysfunctional.

    Rhodesia was a successfully developing country. which would have been better never to attain independence from the English

    England’s attitude to its African colonies was very much like the American North’s to the South. Not having much experience with blacks, an egalitarian doctrine prevailed. And, IMO, they would not have been willing to fight to protect property rights. It would have come to the same thing, only sooner. Possibly with more blacks ending up in London and other British cities.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  182. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    Obviously, I am not talking about biology here. Humans share about 98% of their DNA with mice.

    This statement amplifies the importance of DNA, rather than diminishes it. You are saying that small amounts of different DNA cause massive differences.

    BTW, I must add that I am a big fan of this new, “different species” AaronB. He is more nuanced and reasonable than the old, “Hitler was a cuck” AaronB. Though, his analogies are still bit too dehumanizing for my taste.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  183. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    From what I can understand, in that documentary, it follows daughter of a Boer landowner which converted to Judaism and then married to Orthodox Jewish woman. Then in the 1980s, they immigrated to a farm in the most dangerous, disputed of the West Bank.

    From what I can understand, after the father was killed, the children are trying to sell the lands in the West Bank.

    In the later videos, this woman is a student in a liberal university, and is planning to move to a normal middle class collective farm in Israel with her Indian Jewish husband.

    It seems like their Boer culture will only last one generation in the Middle East, and the children are already becoming collective farmers, and the next generation will be leftist hipsters.

    similarity among more traditional Boers and Orthodox Jews.

    However, not to Haredi Jews. Haredi Judaism requires densely populated urban lifestyle to survive, where the community can see what everyone is doing, and enforce its religious norms. Haredi Judaism requires everyone to live in small area, with narrow streets, and lots of windows, to maintain the social pressure on its cult members.

    So Haredim cannot be very rural, as the population density in rural with modern farming, will be too low to enforce their ultra fanatical religious norms on each other.

    These Protestant Boers have a culture as rural landowners, where they live in the open fields in Africa.

    When they immigrate to Israel, they seemed to become “nationalist religious” settlers.
    The “nationalist religious” community are much more religiously liberal community (but politically they can be fanatical), so it allows them to live in rural areas, as they are not really a cult which enforces religious rules on each other.

    Boers in West Bank, look indistinguishable from Religious Nationalist Jews. But they are probably on some accelerated historical development, and in generation or two will become leftist hipsters.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  184. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    former British country with the most

    Yet Bermuda is majority black people, and the island considered to be a paradise under the English rule. On the other hand, Jamaica seems to be an unusual failure, despite still having some English elite still ruling that island.

    Singapore and Hong Kong had third world populations (with a small English elite), and yet mainly as a result of the English influenced political culture, were able to turn into comparatively civilized citystates by the late 20th century. Now Hong Kong seems to be rapidly reverting since the English culture no longer is the rulers there

    African colonies was very much like the American North’s to the South.

    Rhodesia (now called Zimbabwe) was supposedly a successful and pleasant country, while English were the rulers. I have heard this talking to someone whose heritage is from Zimbabwe.

    How could anyone dislike this? – you go to Africa, but yet there is Western European style infrastructure, and English political system, and property and business law.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @songbird
  185. Ano4 says:
    @Dmitry

    How could anyone dislike this? – you go to Africa, but yet there is Western European style infrastructure, and English political system, and property and business law.

    Black people resent being ruled by Whites, even if being ruled by Whites and learning from them would be in their best interests.

    Jealousy and resentment make for bad policies.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  186. @Europe Europa

    The company would also need a substantial share of black ownership. Which is not a problem, but when it is mandated by the state, then it not the result of organic and voluntary transactions.

  187. songbird says:

    Speaking of Thanksgiving, I would much rather live in a country, where the president took a few turkeys to the tree stump, and then handed them to his wife to pluck, and the whole thing was televised, than this business where the turkeys are “pardoned”, but in reality probably sent back to a farm to be eaten later.

  188. @AaronB

    Person with terrible theory of mind decides that dehumanizing the other helps resolve his contradiction. How avante garde! News at 11.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  189. iffen says:
    @AaronB

    You really need to buckle down and get more moonbeams into that jar. Then maybe you can expound on the mentality of giraffes for us.

  190. @songbird

    https://medium.com/migration-issues/what-it-would-take-to-keep-america-white-fe441e7e8ffd
    “Next up, Wasp Nation suggests that we absorb 100% of the white population of South Africa. But what about fertility? What is the fertility rate among white South Africans? Using the 2011 Census of South Africa, we can check! And it turns out that it is about 1.5… so incredibly low. In other words, adding white South Africans to the US will slightly reduce NHW fertility slightly.”

    Traditional Boers are either numerically insignificant or have a relativly low birth rate.

  191. @songbird

    https://medium.com/migration-issues/what-it-would-take-to-keep-america-white-fe441e7e8ffd
    “Next up, Wasp Nation suggests that we absorb 100% of the white population of South Africa. But what about fertility? What is the fertility rate among white South Africans? Using the 2011 Census of South Africa, we can check! And it turns out that it is about 1.5… so incredibly low. In other words, adding white South Africans to the US will slightly reduce NHW fertility slightly.”

    Traditional Boers are either numerically insignificant or have a relativly low birth rate.

  192. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Yet Bermuda is majority black people,

    Only narrowly though: 52% “black”, 9% “mixed.”

    Within Africa, the blacks with the highest standard of living were those in white-governed countries. It would have been interesting to live in a culture that took a paternalistic attitude towards blacks – interesting in itself (perhaps, whites carried themselves higher? And blacks were more responsible?) – rather than the maternalistic attitude that now dominates.

    Now Hong Kong seems to be rapidly reverting since the English culture no longer is the rulers there

    Spandrell says it is about status. It is tempting to believe him, but I wonder, though, if it is because HK is dissipated – too old. All the land that could be reasonably developed, has been developed. Reclamation proposals continue but it is more expensive now. The cost of living is too high for affordable family formation. It doesn’t have the hunger, the ambition, it once had with the people immigrating there, now being richer people.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  193. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    I didn’t say left wingers are true humans and right wingers are nonhuman – rather, the word human implies a universal species nature that may not exist.

    Also, the word “dehumanizing” only makes sense if you think humans have superior value to other animals. That isn’t a necessary point if view. Irs only part of our Judeo-Christian heritage.

    There is no reason we can’t have respect and appreciation for other species, also. In fact, the belief that humanity is composed of one universal species nature, far from being a source of mutual respect, has led to the belief that we must violently impose our way on others. It has led to hatred.

    I am trying to show that our classifications, the way we divide reality, are rather arbitrary. We can divide different life forms according to biology, but that is arbitrary. Why not divide “species” according to shared psychology? In that case, I am the same species with some dogs, more than some humans.

    • Replies: @songbird
  194. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    HK is dissipated – too old. All the land that could be reasonably developed, has been developed

    Hong Kong (and to lesser extent Singapore) seems to has a very dysfunctional land system. Its land is state property, which they lease (and generate governments revenue in).

    It doesn’t have the hunger, the ambition, it once had with the people immigrating there,

    It lost its English rulers, and its privileged position as a gateway to Asia.

    Nominally, China is allowing it to maintain its British legal system, but I don’t think you would trust this in the same was as when it was British.

    Until 1990s, the judges and lawyers of Hong Kong, even had included real English people. You can understand why it was seen as a safe place for business.

    Only narrowly though: 52% “black”, 9% “mixed.”

    I know a Bermudan, who is an anglosaxon.
    But Bermuda population is still majority black, and they manage to maintain it as a relative (by world standards) paradise.

    Cayman Islands are 60% majority black and “mixed”. Anguilla is 90% black. Turks and Caicos is 87% black. British Virgin Islands are 77% black. They are all at least economically developed.

    Having English rule will usually imply things like British law, property rights, stable currency, stable political system, less corrupt culture, etc. i.e. recipes for a successful country.

    If the gangsters escaped from the prison, because of a hurricane – then some highly trained British soldiers there to recapture them.

    • Replies: @songbird
  195. @sudden death

    The dead in Sweden are overwhelmingly migrants of southern ancestry, especially Africans. which is also true everywhere else. Comparison with neighbors is meaningless since Sweden has much more people of migrant backgrounds. There is barely any difference in results if you compare native populations only, ethnic Swedes are doing just fine and no worse than ethnic Norwegians in Norway.

    The dead in America are also massively disproportionately blacks. This all begs the question: are there racial differences at work? We know that Africans have biological resistance to tropical diseases that Europeans don’t have and it was a huge problem in the colonization of Africa that white people kept dropping dead out of malaria and other diseases. Coronaviruses thrive in cold climates and the ancestors of Africans would not have been exposed to them in a way that the ancestors Europeans and Asians have been so perhaps now we are seeing a mirror of the old problem – that southern populations have no resistance to northern diseases.

    Regardless of policy, there is no country where people of northern European ancestry or northern Asian ancestry are in trouble with this disease. None. Even more strikingly, in northern Europe the only ones in trouble are African and Middle Eastern migrants – not the northern European natives and not East Asian migrants.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @Shortsword
    , @utu
  196. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    Australia was originally populated primarily by rejects and criminals of the United Kingdom (which was continuing to send orphans there into the second half of the 20th century), yet today it has an even higher standard of living than the Kingdom itself

    One of my classmates was the child of Australians who had settled in the USA. Parents were civilized educated people – her father was a university professor, mother some kind of professional. She traced her ancestry to a 19th century London pickpocket and a prostitute.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @dfordoom
  197. Dmitry says:
    @Ano4

    Black people resent being ruled by White

    This is of course predictable nationalist reaction, especially when there was an unfair or exploitative colonial system for the native people, like the apartheid rule of South Africa from 1948. But in Rhodesia before 1965, many Zimbabwe people are saying now that they are sad for the loss of the British rule. Just as many Taiwanese have sadness for the loss of being part of the Japanese Empire, which had invested to try to develop the island.

    With Hong Kong. where the colonialism was a benign one for the local people – Chinese in Hong Kong do not look like they were celebrating when Great Britain exited, and gave them to China. There seems more nostalghia in Hong Kong for English rule.

    For example,

    11 APRIL 2016
    “The daughter of the last British governor of Hong Kong has received a recent outpouring of affection from Hongkongers, following an incident in which the Chief Executive allegedly used his privileges to help his daughter bypass airport security rules.

    Hong Kong netizens have been posting old photos of Chris Patten’s three daughters Laura, Kate and Alice when they were in Hong Kong, since the incident involving Leung Chun-yan, the Chief Executive’s youngest daughter, was revealed by local media. https://hongkongfp.com/2016/04/11/last-governors-daughter-becomes-internet-sweetheart-following-cy-airport-bag-gate-controversy/

    They were popular figures with the local population.

    In 1990s videos, it looks like people were crying when the British governors exited from Hong Kong.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  198. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Until 1990s, the judges and lawyers of Hong Kong, even had included real English people.

    I used to enjoy seeing the old HK films where you might see English officials depicted. Perhaps, they would turn out to be crooked, but the deference shown before it was known was vicarious, and somewhat different from American movies, where the chief of police would often be black, to offset the white character. I believe they still use “sir” or “madam” when speaking to their police chiefs in Cantonese.

    Cayman Islands are 60% majority black and “mixed”. Anguilla is 90% black. Turks and Caicos is 87% black. British Virgin Islands are 77% black.

    Smaller islands have economic benefits. More beaches (for tourists) per square mile. Easier to set up an offshore bank, to launder money from the US, in a small country.

    There’s some discussion in HBD forums of other possible causes for these differences. One theory is that some places got first pick from slave ships. They picked on physiognomy, but this would have behavioral implications. I will add that many blacks in the English Caribbean came from Spanish territories, at first, and I believe that miscegenation was the Spanish strategic policy (see Dominicans vs. Haitians).

    It is also easier to track down murderers on small islands – less places to hide. And possibly easier for informers to cross over. I wonder whether the limited real estate meant that house servants had children with downward mobility that replaced, in part, the field hands.

  199. O no, official rebellion.

    Also fk white marble Temple/Gurudawara.
    Theyve been “renovating” historic places with those instead of preserving the original look.
    Lot of heritage lost,

    https://twitter.com/RavneetKaurTech/status/1333034819253485568/photo/1

  200. songbird says:

    I have heard an interesting new conspiracy theory, courtesy of Academic Agent: that the 1890 US Census was destroyed by the government on purpose. It was destroyed by a fire in 1921, with surviving parts ordered destroyed in the 1930s.

    I have a hard time wrapping my head around it. It was supposedly to hide certain inconvenient demographic facts, with surviving estimates being falsified ones. But I can’t understand why, since, I believe the 1880 and 1900 census have survived.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    , @128
  201. AaronB says:
    @Dmitry

    I lived for a year in the West Bank in the 80s, and there was a family of South African converts there. Six or seven kids – the Boers were fantastic fighters, and I’m sure they made an excellent contribution to IDF fighting capability. They were all very blond, and my family used to tease me I really belonged to them because I was the only one in my family who was blond.

    The West Bank in the 80s was not particularly dangerous. My dad used to do guard duty with a rifle at the gates (all adult males had to) but we kids were allowed to roam the forests outside of town at will, and we roamed for miles. I used to pick wild grapes to bring to my father on guard duty, and we would meet Arab shepherds dressed in robes and kefffiyas herding their sheep. They were always incredibly friendly. In many ways it was a pastoral idyll, although there was always just a hint of danger in the background. Occasionally army jeeps with heavily armed soldiers would pass through town, and sonic booms from jet fighters were a constant nuisance. Once, my father came home bruised and battered, an Arab had driven him off the road on his motorcycle. But overall, it was a time of wonder.

    When I moved to NYC, it was the first time I felt real danger. The West Bank isn’t dangerous.

  202. Ano4 says:
    @Dmitry

    The people of Ireland probably have a different opinion on the British colonial rule.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  203. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    She traced her ancestry to a 19th century London pickpocket and a prostitute.

    Lol you would imagine a “Mad Max” dystopia country could be created from an immigration system that especially selects for criminals, but instead Australia has one of the lowest murder rates in the world. Perhaps you could expect their negatively selective immigration system could have resulted in a higher ratio of certain genes that might correlate with traits like psychopathy.

    In history of course we are all of us (and not only Australians) descended from prostitutes and thieves, and rapists, many times over, without usually much predetermination on an individual level. It reminds of Socrates’ comments to Theodorus in “Theaetetus (175a-b)”:

    Everyone has had countless forebears and ancestors, including thousands and thousands of rich men and beggars, kings and slaves, barbarians and Greeks, in every case. When people give themselves a list of twenty-five ancestors, and trace their descent back to Hercules, the son of King Amphitryon.. he (the philosopher) laughs at their inability.. to work out that it was just a matter of chance what sort of person the twenty-fifth back from Amphitryon was, and what sort of person the fiftieth back from him was.

  204. @Thulean Friend

    Serbia is sending 62K, mostly to Germany. 62K for a country of their size is massive. Their total workforce is ~4 million, so 1.5% of their workforce is emigrating annually. Serbia is being demographically devastated.

    If you think this is Serbia being “demographically devastated“, take a look at the figures for all its “fellow Balkan neighbors”.

    Croatia, total population: 4.076 million (according to Google search 2019 figure) – 50,445 (first residence permits from your data link)

    Bosnia and Herzegovina, total population 3.324 million – 56,355

    Albania, 2.862 million – 60,259

    Kosovo*, 1.81 million (ridiculously high and obviously much lower in reality) – 43,677

    Serbia, 6.964 million – 62,163

    I think it’s pretty clear which one of these has the least bad demographic performance.

    It’s noteworthy that a significant portion of Balkan emigration counts as non-permanent gastarbeiters/temporary labor migrants, meaning that a notable proportion of emigration is not permanent. Also, because of Corona, the lockdowns and economic decline in most EU states this year, reduced emigration and even repatriation by many Balkan migrants is a real possibility and happening in some cases, although it remains to be seen how far that will go.

    Still, in 2021 a new population census is coming out for many of the “West Balkans” (an inherently loaded term) countries that had their last ones in 2011. It should be expected that a population decreases of at least a few hundred thousand people in each country should be recorded, otherwise the censuses will be unreliable and obviously fake at Ukraine tier levels, or even worse. Albanians and Bosniaks already manipulate and distort population data to a ridiculous degree with the former exaggerating the population of Kosovo by several hundred thousand Albanians that don’t exist there, while the latter pretends there are way more Muslims in Republika Srpska than in reality, in order to give off a false but intimidating impression that helps their goal of ending the existence of Republika Srpska.

    Truly precise figures are arguably almost impossible to come by because there are all sorts of ways to both individually and collectively distort the data. E.g, someone from Serbia can emigrate to the EU by somehow picking up (a few known cases of that) a Bulgarian or Hungarian passport and then become a part of those countries’ demographic emigration statistics. Alternatively, some Albanian, Gypsy or Bosniak that emigrates from Serbia qualifies as a part of Serbia’s emigration statistics even though such cases are mostly a desirable happening. Such data purely by ethnicity would be much more valuable and interesting, although I guess the current figures give a somewhat close to accurate enough indication.

    All the other categories of population and demographic counting/measuring are even more complex, confusing and convoluted than emigration from the Balkans though.

    On a more important note though, emigration has important political implications which are often deliberately abused and misinterpreted. For instance, “you partly emigrate to the EU/NATO, therefore you must join the EU/NATO” is a common one pushed at Serbs by Zeljko Komsic and various EU-NATO officials. It’s of course important to note that joining the EU/NATO does not help one’s country to reduce demographic decline and emigration to the EU, in fact as is clear from the examples of Croatia and Bulgaria, it actually makes it much worse than it would’ve been otherwise. If anyone was genuine, serious and sincere about solving the issue of demographic decline and emigration from the Balkans, as the EU pretends and fakes that it is, a very different set of approaches (pursuing investments from non-EU actors as much as possible to keep locals employed and boost economic wealth, like Serbia does) and “unconventional solutions” (e.g pro-birth rate policies of Viktor Orban’s Hungary) would be adopted instead of actively encouraging emigration, profiting from it and then pretending to be “shocked” by it like the EU currently does …

  205. @Ano4

    Yeah, this nasty posibility of antibody dependent enhancement (ADE) has been floating quite early, even at the end of February, some of us were discusing it here too:

    It’s highly possible to get infected a second time,” one of the doctors, who declined to be identified, told the outlet.

    The physician said that medication used to treat the virus can have negative side effects on patients’ heart tissue, making them more susceptible to cardiac arrest.

    “A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds [sic] they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure,” the doctor said.

    https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/whistleblower-doctors-say-coronavirus-reinfection-even-deadlier/amp/?__twitter_impression=true&utm_source=reddit.com

    ADE is not entirely new phenomenon, but so far in human history there has not been any wide scale epidemics caused by a virus which is capable to induce it, so those are uncharted waters. At the worst possible case, you’ll might get it over and over, worse each time until you finally pull the short straw and the accumulated organ damage does you in. We might even see human life expectancy drop back to medieval levels in such case.

    Having said that, it is still quite muddy issue as Bergamo in Italy does not seem to have it worse now, so Sweden might not be a sure confirmation of widespread ADE theory.

    • Agree: Ano4
  206. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    helps their goal of ending the existence of Republika Srpska.

    A point I almost forgot to put here is that another motivation to emigrate particularly from Bosnia-Herzegovina and Kosovo is that these places are endlessly contested by different local ethnoreligious groups and conflicting geopolitical agendas of many great powers, meaning that a future war/s is a real possibility in those places. Living in a place like Bosnia or Kosovo is similar to living in Lebanon, Palestine, Nagorno-Karbakh, Donbass etc. where even if a state of peace dominates for a certain time period, the resumption of war at any random or other moment in the future is always a serious possibility. It’s objectively clear that this is a powerful incentive for people of any ethnic group to leave these places.

    This also partly causes an interesting phenomenon, especially pronounced with Bosnia where Croats and Serbs from Bosnia-Herzegovina leave Bosnia for their motherlands, Croatia and Serbia, where even though those countries are still “poor Balkans dumps” are actually much more functional and prosperous relative to to the fake country of Bosnia-Herzegovina. This phenomenon also exists to a lesser degree with some ethnic Croats emigrating from Serbia to Croatia and ethnic Serbs from Croatia, Montenegro, Kosovo, and Macedonia to Serbia. So this phenomenon of regional emigration by Croats and Serbs to their motherlands (or “reserve homelands” as Bakir Izetbegovic derisively calls it to justify his agenda of Muslim centralization of Bosnia-Herzegovina) is also a less bad form of regional emigration that exists.

    However, this backfires for Croats because Croatia being an EU member allows ethnic Croats from Herzegovina (where nearly all ethnic Croats in Bosnia-Herzegovina live) to simply choose to emigrate elsewhere in the EU than Croatia (because the rest of the EU is more prosperous, of course) as their Croat passport allows them that possibility. So future prospects for Croats in Bosnia-Herzegovina are basically very bleak in not just demographic terms (although I was informed by a Bosnian Croat sometime ago that Croats are demographically winning against Muslims in Mostar, not sure how true this is, although unstoppable Muslim demographic supremacy in Bosnia-Herzegovina is definitely an exaggerated myth), but also in political terms as they’re struggling to prevent their autonomous rights from being completely demolished by Muslims who have already usurped at least 75% of Croat ethnic rights in Bosnia (hence why currently the real Bosnian Croat elite Bosnian HDZ branch leader Dragan Covic, not Zeljko Komsic the Croat puppet of Muslims, is allied to Republika Srpska and Milorad Dodik’s SNSD, because both sides have no choice but to team together against Muslim centralization of Bosnia-Herzegovina at the expense of Serbs and Croats backed by the “international community”) since the 1995 Bosnian War ended.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  207. @Jaakko Raipala

    Regardless of policy, there is no country where people of northern European ancestry or northern Asian ancestry are in trouble with this disease. None. Even more strikingly, in northern Europe the only ones in trouble are African and Middle Eastern migrants – not the northern European natives and not East Asian migrants.

    idk how you define “trouble”, but RF, which is mostly northeastern European country regarding population distribution/density and without any significant numbers of African and Middle Eastern migrants, has quite troubling mortality during all this affair:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  208. dfordoom says: • Website
    @songbird

    I’ve been reading The Suicide Club by Stevenson (which D_for_Doom recommended). Only about a third way through it (though it is short), but it is quite good, and I’m reminded why Stevenson was a good author.

    I’m pleased you’re liking it!

    • Agree: songbird
  209. Almost done reading book white fragility,

    excellent book not that long, must read.

    Think Karlin should review it,

    The dichotomy between fragility & solidarity ie crying victim when crimes exposed, is v important and core to western, anglo-zionist mentality tbh.

    Cheers,

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  210. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Serbia is being demographically devastated. The fact that other balkanoids are getting even more wrecked is hardly an argument.

    There’s no reason to assume that most balkanoids eventually go back. 9K Serbians got EU citizenship in 2018, but this has to be matched with immigration flows from 10 years ago. It takes longer to get citizenship in Germany, Austria etc than in places like Sweden or Belgium.

    Immigration flows were much lower a decade ago, so why would this relationship suddenly change now when there are higher flows? That’s just wishful thinking.

  211. @Dmitry

    Australia was originally populated primarily by rejects and criminals of the United Kingdom (which was continuing to send orphans there into the second half of the 20th century), yet today it has an even higher standard of living than the Kingdom itself. So it doesn’t match too well to “human capital” hypothesis for development, considering that the base population there descends in significant extent from negative immigration selection.

    I think you underestimate the centrifugal forces of ‘reversion to the mean’.

    All the countries which were created by English culture, are the among the most desirable countries in the world for living in, and there’s a reason half the world wants to immigrate to them.

    The reason why the UK is more attractive globally speaking than Germany or the Netherlands is that language is a key barrier. For ambitious elites, English is often the second or sometimes even first language (this is certainly the case in countries like India, Malaysia or the Philippines). Learning German or Dutch is just too much of a hassle.

    Another curious aspect of Anglo-Saxon countries is that they tend for whatever reason be more racist (or “discerning” if you want to be polite) in selecting immigrants. Part of this is a function of geography. It is simply easier to limit refugee intake if you’re an island like the UK. But Iceland is also an island and yet takes in more refugees per capita, so it seems to be a cultural trait among Nordics specifically.

    This means that immigration is more sustainable in Anglo-Saxon countries, because those coming in tend to be better selected and thus it builds public legitimacy.

    Anglo-Saxon countries also appear to tolerate higher inequality, which is an extra boon for ambitious global elites. Moving away from your country of origin, even if you were in a privileged position, is still a significant sacrifice. So getting richly rewarded in your new country is a major motivation for these immigrants. I encounter it all the time when discussing with Indians about various places to emigrate to. The first issue is always the language factor, but the second is compensation. People in their 20s and 30s, the primary demographic for moving, tend to overlook issues like health care and focus on salaries. That’s why the US will continue to be the most favoured destination once/when Team Biden undoes the damaging immigration restrictionism that harmed the US.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Beckow
  212. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Such a detailed and imaginative presentation of what has been described as a transhumanist experience of spiritual immolation, does nothing to help promote the overall vision of what this dystopian future looks like. The climax of the clip is when our “protagonist” experiences her brain exploding into 10,000 separate pieces, something a friend of mine would describe to me before and after trips to the local emergency room to help him quell his very disorienting reactions to withdrawal tremors and hallucinations from zantax, a drug that supposedly was overprescribed for his anxiety issues. He finally could not take it anymore and committed suicide.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Ano4
  213. mal says:
    @Rattus Norwegius

    In Musk’s case he would could probably not be as successfull in South Africa as he has been in America, even if he wanted to.

    Well I don’t know about South Africa but one of the coolest low cost space launch programs was OTRAG in Congo. It was ran by a bunch of Nazis out of West Germany.

    Unfortunately for them, Soviet leader Brezhnev did not like Nazis with space rockets so he hounded them out. The Germans ended up leaving for Libya and striking partnership with Muammar Quaddaffi of all people. It didn’t work out in the end and Quaddaffi nationalized their equipment. So they run a bed and breakfast in Marshall islands or something now.

    Concept was great though – cheap steel, parallel staging and modular tubes. Aside from tubes, you are looking at Musk’s Starship.

    If it wasn’t for stupid Brezhnev, Musk may have gone to Democratic Republic of Congo as the premier place for rocket technology 🙂

    • Replies: @songbird
  214. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mr. Hack

    xanax or lorazapam, not zantac.

  215. More details emerge about the Iranian assassination.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Mohsen_Fakhrizadeh

    No matter what James Bond movies tell you, secret services are not omnipotent supermen and every succesful clandestine operation needs local people “on the ground”

    What is the “underground opposition” in Iran? As I posted previously, it is MEK, People’s Mujahedin Organization of Iran (if you never heard about them, the name tells exactly what you can expect, only much more so)

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-129/#comment-4309816

    Iran is fighting these fanatics for 40 years, unhampered by any idea of “human rights” or “due process”, and failed so far. Not good for Iran.

    • Agree: Ano4
  216. @AaronB

    Can you spell out how was South Vietnam liberal?

  217. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AP

    One of my classmates was the child of Australians who had settled in the USA. Parents were civilized educated people – her father was a university professor, mother some kind of professional. She traced her ancestry to a 19th century London pickpocket and a prostitute.

    You have to remember that violent criminals were most likely going to be hanged. If you were lucky enough to be transported to Australia you were probably a non-violent petty criminal.

    • Agree: AP, AltanBakshi
  218. @Thulean Friend

    Serbia is being demographically devastated. The fact that other balkanoids are getting even more wrecked is hardly an argument.

    How is it not an argument?

    It’s very relevant to the future of the Balkans because if everyone is getting wrecked by emigration, then the group which gets least devastated by emigration is clearly the group that is going to be doing rather well in the future. So far that looks like it will be Serbs, although it should never be called till the final moment.

    Immigration flows were much lower a decade ago, so why would this relationship suddenly change now when there are higher flows? That’s just wishful thinking.

    Breakup or fundamental revamping of the EU?

    Seriously, just take a look at the fact that the EU can’t even agree on the EU budget now because Hungary and Poland are refusing to be crushed by a Brussels “Rule of Law” mechanism. The great hypocrisy in criticizing Hungary and Poland for lacking “Rule of Law” or whatever, is that the whole EU is inherently undemocratic as the unelected and bureaucratic EU Commission is the real power center in the whole Union, which acts as a slow motion meatgrinder of the national sovereignty and nationhood of all the member states. That’s just this issue alone, the EU is literally in an almost daily state of chronic crisis due to disobedient or defiant member states or other problems (Turkey).

    To be on point though, the current situation with high emigration flows is a product of the following:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Serbia_to_the_European_Union

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabilisation_and_Association_Process

    There’s also worth keeping in mind that the USA is on edge (internally and externally) and the notion it’s going to become more prosperous, more successful and more powerful in the future is simply laughable. This matters of course, because there are a significant amount of pretty much all Balkan diasporas there …

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  219. @Dmitry

    The gall of these Palestinians not to accept the occupation after all these years.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  220. @songbird

    Strange that this character is willing to believe oddball things like this, but refuses to touch on the the Jewish conspiracy hiding in plain sight

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @songbird
  221. @Ano4

    There’s minority groups in Russia and surrounds who have a negative opinion of Russian colonial rule, I think this is common in many places where the larger more dominant group has asserted its rule over peripheral minority groups over the centuries.

    I find this ridiculous and constant mentality that colonialism and conquest is something absolutely unique to Britain incredibly tiresome.

  222. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    It’s very relevant to the future of the Balkans because if everyone is getting wrecked by emigration, then the group which gets least devastated by emigration is clearly the group that is going to be doing rather well in the future. So far that looks like it will be Serbs, although it should never be called till the final moment.

    My understanding is that Albania has a significantly younger population and higher fertility rate than Serbia does, which is ultimately what caused Serbs to be replaced by Albanians in Kosovo.

    So emigration from Albania may be higher in per capita terms than Serbia, but that is not surprising because of the significantly different age demographics, emigrating tends to be something younger people do.

    As far as I can see the only thing holding back Serbian emigration numbers is that the country has a relatively old population, if Serbia had the same average age as Albania I suspect the emigration rate would be as high.

    Serbia may perform slightly better than Albania in most comparison metrics, but hardly significantly enough to make a big difference.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  223. @Jaakko Raipala

    Do you have numbers on this? I saw numbers on Sweden saying it was mostly people aged 70+ that had died and there’s very immigrants in that age bracket.

    Either way, there does seem to be some genetic component to it. South American countries in particular stand out. They have significantly lower percent of the population being 60+ than Western countries but still have as high overall mortality.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  224. @Shortsword

    It’s the UK’s death figures that stand out as high to me, this country has among the highest deaths per capita but lower cases per capita than many of the other countries with a high death rate, suggesting that the overall mortality rate is probably highest in the UK. This is something that the media has totally ignored.

  225. @Europe Europa

    This isn’t really true anymore. Albania had a much higher fertility rate throughout the 1900s (over 6 in the 60s!) but it’s actually lower than Serbia’s now.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  226. @Shortsword

    The average age in Albania definitely is a lot lower than Serbia though, obviously a result of the previously high fertility rate. Albania’s average age is 32.9 while Serbia’s is 42.6, that’s a massive difference in European terms and probably explains Albania’s higher per capita emigration rate than anything specifically economic.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  227. @sher singh

    Its hard to take you seriously as a martial and traditional Sikh guy, when you read and recommend such whiny progressive drivel.

    I think that Anglo society is sick to the core, but not because of same reasons as some Jews, Blacks or Indians, feminists or some other intersectionalist or progressive assholes think of, but because it somehow transforms normal hierarchically minded Pajeets and others into worshippers of the victimization culture etc, modern Anglo culture literally infects people and turns them into madmen!

    Its so sad that stalin did not start new world war. The best moment for such war was during the years 1950-1954. Soviet Union had only couple dozen atomic weapons and USA couple hundred, there were no ICBMs and the world war would have been limited(i mean casualties, not by geographically), there wouldve been a small chance that the strategic bombers could have bombed Moscow, and even smaller that they could have dropped bombs into main industrial regions of Urals, maybe Poland wouldve been lost, but thats a small price when you fight the most horrible disease known to mankind, the disease of Anglo liberalism… The Chinese were still under a revolutionary fervour and with Stalin on Maos side, the Chinese could easily have sent tens of millions of fighters to Korea and Southeast Asia. Stalin could have framed such war in the beginning of the 50s as the great liberation war for all countries that languish under the forces of capitalism, the Great War For Liberation of All Colonies! Such would have ensured that most of the colonial world would have had Soviet minded revolutionary elite fighting for their countries liberation. In the 50s Soviets had a huge superiority in Germany regarding the tank and land forces, they couldve been on the Rhein in couple weeks and France would probably choose neutrality and the path of Finlandization, in such conditions, when threatened with the war and atomic bombings. Remember in the early 50s both France and UK lacked atomic weapons so it could have been a most wonderful time for a major war. Yes Soviets had a lack of manpower, but they didnt need more than couple million armored and motorised troops in the Germany for a breakhrough. Soviet Union with united Germany, a communist Italy and Finlandized France would have been strong enough to starve financially and economically the cursed Carthage of our era. Also a violent global anti colonial struggle under the aegis of Soviets during a massive world war would have soured forever the relatioms between Anglo world and the third world, which would have ensured that the postcolonial elites wouldnt study progressive bullshit, a nice bonus!

    Now the hope lies in the China. A great civilization of thousand generations! May the men and women of the vast and beautiful lands, the Huaxia, lead us in this struggle, may the Empire of the Centre, the Celestial Kingdom put end to the beast, once and for all!

  228. @Europe Europa

    Albania’s median age is more like 36 or 37. Kosovo still has median age under 30 though.

  229. What I find odd is why Croatia does so well relative to the other Balkans countries. Serbia, Bosnia and Albania are much closer to each other on practically every development metric than they are to Croatia which is always significantly further up the list.

    It can’t simply be EU membership either, as Croatia was significantly ahead of the other three long before they joined the EU. The most plausible explanation I’ve heard is that it’s because Croatia largely avoided Ottoman domination so have retained a European mentality and outlook, whereas the other three have assimilated elements of the more Eastern, dysfunctional Ottoman mentality and possibly have more Turkish/Eastern admixture to, obviously Albania to the greatest extent.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    , @AP
  230. @Europe Europa

    It’s hard to compare Croatia with those other countries listed because Croatia’s economy depends much more on tourism. It’s on the most tourism dependent countries in the world.

  231. Mr. Hack says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Are you describing a Buddhist’s vision of samsara here, or just your everyday garden variety version of the Christian apocalypse? I thought that you were an interesting guy worth reading, and now I see through it all and characterize you as a stark raving mad lunatic. 🙁

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  232. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    This video is supposed to represent the upload of a person’s consciousness in a transhumanist future. This is why I have written that any transhumanist phantasm couldn’t go any further than that. The young woman in the video clip enters an automated upload facility where the remains of those who passed before her are stored on the shelves. At the end she ends up in the container, while her digitalized mind is projected into a simulated reality where she might exist forever.

    [MORE]

    This video is just a popular musical video clip, the Lorn band is quite popular with the millenials. It has been suggested to me by my elder daughter, who liked it and also knew that I was once interested in transhumanism. My daughter found the video intriguing, I told her that if one day human beings get to that point of technological development, a lot of people would end up losing any interest in physical existence.

    Then any of these minds would be reduced to its simplest expression: binary digits. It would be expressed as program. Such a program would not be a “person “, but just a simulated and simplified representation of a “person “. It would be fake, the real person would die. To really digitize a human being, one would need to digitize the whole Universe in which this particular human being has evolved as a causal structure. Both are intricately integrated Doing this is of course impossible: it is beyond any computing capacity. This is one of the examples of the transhumanist naivety.

    The video clip is named “Anvil “, this is also important as an image of upload “forging” a human consciousness into a more refined state. I would say it is not forging, but hammering it into oblivion. This is basically a spiritual suicide.

    Also please see my reply #176 to Daniel Chieh.

    • Agree: AP
  233. Mr. Hack says:

    Without the right mindset Transhumanism will bring hell upon us. And the right mindset is not here at all.

    So hell it will be.

    Unfortunately.

    I couldn’t agree with you any more. Thanks for taking the time to explain more the significance and meaning of this visually stimulating clip. What caught my eye was the depiction of the “representation of the person” uploading her own automated remains that were previously stored into a vase. I found that part of the clip interesting and couldn’t quite put it all together, so again thanks for the clarification. What really struck a chord with me was when her brain started to explode into 10,000 pieces (what a very painful experience), that so very much mimicked my friend’s description of his own harrowing experiences going through withdrawal symptoms from lorazepam, who finally ended up taking his own life.

  234. @Daniel Chieh

    Is this individual a tranny or not? Or do they flip back and forth?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  235. songbird says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    He’s part Iranian.

    He’s changed a bit. He definitely believes in the J-question. But every time he comes at it, it is oblique. Like, he will often talk about de-Nazification and what a strange process it was. Or he will reference Spengler’s Hour of Decision, or some other based book.

    I can understand it. He would definitely be banned from Youtube, if he approached it directly. And there are probably people who know who he is, and the UK doesn’t have good free speech laws.

    • Replies: @Matra
  236. @AltanBakshi

    Its hard to take you seriously as a martial and traditional Sikh guy, when you read and recommend such whiny progressive drivel.

    I think that Anglo society is sick to the core, but not because of same reasons as some Jews, Blacks or Indians, feminists or some other intersectionalist or progressive assholes think of, but because it somehow transforms normal hierarchically minded Pajeets and others into worshippers of the victimization culture etc, modern Anglo culture literally infects people and turns them into madmen!

    So you’re saying is that some rabidly anti-Anglo Sikh is still ultimately the fault of Anglos and of “sick” Anglo culture? Anglos really can’t get a break, they get it from both sides.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @AltanBakshi
  237. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Anti-racism was a communist doctrine. It was communists who invented the word “racist.”

    You know that they used Angela Davis as a prop, next to Valentina Tereshkova, the first affirmative action in space? The Soviet Union also beat us with the first black and Hispanic (both in one man) in space.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  238. @Kent Nationalist

    Roko? Lol.

    He’s parodying the trans community, but you can call him Beyond Human.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  239. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    That’s why the US will continue to be the most favoured destination once/when Team Biden undoes the damaging immigration restrictionism that harmed the US.

    You are not worried about environmental degradation to native flora and fauna? Or more carbon in the air? Plastic in the oceans? More landfills being created? We all know that the US standard of living and energy use is much higher than the Indian mean.

    Don’t you fear that a “billion Americans” might decide that they need lebensraum? Or be much more aggressive and interventionist on the world stage, since you believe China is checkmated?

    I mean, a billion Americans (the goal some are going for!) is the US times three. If you believe immigration grows the power of the US. Frankly, I don’t, but I believe you think that would mean that it was at least 3x more powerful, probably more, because of network effects, or the “right people coming together.” By which I suppose you mean invading Indians and their collaborators.

    Imagine a US that had a military three times as powerful! That would be the ultimate fantasy of people like Bolton. If you ask me, it is better if the US just continues to act as the breadbasket of the world, rather than heads towards a billion Americans. Think of what that would do to the price of food in India.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @128
  240. The corpse was slightly damaged:
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-11-29/biden-twists-ankle-while-playing-with-dog-to-see-a-doctor
    Not to worry, though: skilled undertakers can make any corpse look good.

  241. 128 says:
    @songbird

    Japan seems to do well with 3 times the population of California with the same size of land.

  242. @Europe Europa

    One could say that there has been two cultural poles or strains of Anglo culture through centuries, and their interplay has been sometimes fruitful and sometimes disastrous. Cavaliers and Roundheads, Tories and Whigs, North and South, Billy Yank and Johnny Reb and so on, but nowadays the other variant of the Anglo culture has lost completely, or is utterly defeated and subjugated, in all likelihood you are a representative of that stream in the Anglo culture, I bear no bad will towards your idea of Anglo society and traditions, and I dont think that such people who were once mockingly called by the name of the Little Englanders, bear fault to current state of the Anglo countries, yes common Englishmen are not at fault, but no matter if you want to accept it or not, its a harsh reality that the Anglo societies are currently, and have been for a some time the main propagators of and the source of crazy progressive and intersectionalist ideas, which encourage various post-colonial peoples to victimise themselves.

    But in reality Anglo societies have not been under a native leadership for a long time, England was probably already lost in the mid 19th century atleast. I can imagine how whig businessmen thought naively that “oh what good and cunning chaps they are, we’ll have a fine partnership with them,” little did they knew…. Those damn Catholics, ha ha!

  243. AP says:
    @Europe Europa

    Croats are more Slavic by descent than the others.

    But mostly it’s cultural. As you wrote, less Ottoman domination, more central European influence.

  244. @Mr. Hack

    Oh well I already thought that you think so! After reading so many “powerful” statements I too wanted to make one, but yes its quite over the top! Im just a simple Eurasian imperialist daydreaming of land empires with couple glasses of Zubrowka, its a shame that Poles make so good stuff! By the way how big are American shots, anything less than 50ml is for wussies. The Russian Empire had Charka shot size that was 129,9ml, so yes Soviets once again lowered the standards.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AnonFromTN
  245. AaronB says:

    Has the notion of “mankind” as a single species been the source of all political violence in history?

    If we get rid of the notion of “man” as a single species, will we still feel threatened if some men don’t share our values, will we still fight wars to force others to live like we do?

    All schemes of dividing up reality are arbitrary and measured by how useful they are. We choose what we wish to focus on, based on what we want to accomplish. We are afraid that if we don’t see other men as the same species as us, we will treat them horribly. But there may be a dark side to seeing all men as the same species as us.

    We can establish the principle that all life deserves respect. If we divide man into different species, will we be perhaps better able to respect others right to be different than us? Will this lessen political violence?

    Right now, the Left sees only one way to be “man”. Therefore right wingers are bad “men”, not a different species with a different way of life that is natural to them. And vice versa. Right wingers can choose to be good “men”, and we must force them. They can live like us. But who would force a duck to live like a lion? Imagine the lions decided they had to “reform” all the ducks to live like lions.

    For instance, some men want to live in a caring and nurturing community, while others enjoy strife and competition. Who is right? Who can decide?

    Perhaps, we can organize life on earth neither as a compromise between competing visions, nor as the attempt to force one vision on everyone, but as competing visions coexisting.

    Of course this is just a dream, and mankind cannot take charge of its destiny in a rational way, but will continue to be slaves to blind passion.

    Dividing by race may be a very messy and approximate way to do things. White nationalists say blacks can’t accommodate themselves to Western civilization- but what if we test for those qualities? Why shouldn’t hhe fundamental divisions be those of personality and mind?

    Divisions there must be – we must divide the world to control it. But there may be better divisions than the ones we are making.

    We should also remember that divisions, whole necessary, are also the source of man’s alienation, as Buddhism teaches, and while we should use them, we should realize that all divisions abd categories are not ultimately real.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  246. @songbird

    Soviet Union was a rotten system, but so is the American system, but Soviet system was more dangerous for ones life and material conditions, than to the spirit, like the Americas. The Poles, Hungarians, Russians and Vietnamese are all more or less mentally sound people, so at least Communism didnt destroy their spirit or sense of self. But what will happen after couple decades to the western countries if they will walk this path, will there even be any historical nation or even people left to be saved?

    For some of you the highest evil is or was communism, for me it is America and its masters and in the war against the devil, one needs to use the weapons of the devil. And one does not become the devil as long as he uses those weapons only against the devil.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AP


  247. Scott Morrison demands apology from China over ‘repugnant’ tweet showing Australian soldier threatening to kill child

    • Replies: @128
    , @Shortsword
    , @AaronB
  248. 128 says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Want to bet that the Soviet Army in Afghanistan had a worse human rights record than the ANZAC troops had, if that is what your point was?

  249. China has a nerve to criticise Australia for brutality against Muslims considering it’s clear that the Chinese military has zero tolerance for Islamist militants and deal with them in very brutal ways. I recall a few years ago on the Daily Mail there was an article about Chinese soldiers extracting and killing Islamist militants hiding in a cave with flamethrowers, so clearly they are not concerned about the “rights” of who they perceive to be the enemy.

    Although it doesn’t surprise me that it’s the Australian military embroiled in war crimes accusations, the Australian working class have always seemed to me to be quite violent and savage by the standards of a first world Western country.

  250. AaronB says:
    @AltanBakshi

    What is happening in America is a transitional phase. It is not a “settled” way of life. And it is not understood in America as a period of settled values and practices. It is understood as a period of upheaval and change.

    What will happen when the dust settles? The Left will have won every victory. Having won, and no longer feeling threatened, it will begin to lose its zeal, and grow more tolerant of the Right. There will be a “formal” culture that is Left, but informally there will be considerable freedom.

    Having a settled culture, anxiety will diminish in the people. The ideological wars over, people can turn their minds to the art and science of living well. Paradoxically, under a formal culture that sounds crazy, a period of great health will set in, because the world is ruled by paradox. But then Christianity seemed insane to the ancients.

    The important thing is for the wars of ideology to be over. The Great Danger is that an ideological threat will emerge somewhere in the world, making it impossible for the Left to relax and grow tolerant.

  251. Mr. Hack says:
    @AltanBakshi

    What’s the appeal of zubrovka anyway (I’ve never tried it)? Is it the taste? Being a Russian Eurasianist is fine and dandy, but wishing to see closer Eurasianist integration by any means possible, including a “limited” nuclear exchange between the US and Russia, is really a bit over the top, wouldn’t you say? I’m hoping that it was the zubrovka that you drank that was expressing these views, and not you after a hearty cup of Marco Polo black tea blend? 🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  252. @Europe Europa

    Hah the writer of White Fragility, is a woman named Robin DiAngelo, but her original surname was Taylor. Robin Taylor sounds quite Anglo?
    So Sher Singh was literally infected by the modern Anglo culture.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_DiAngelo

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  253. @AltanBakshi

    You’d be amused: American shot is 25 ml. So, four double shots constitute a glass (200 ml). A glass of vodka is a traditional Russian beginning of a party. Some people even believe that you are not supposed to eat anything between the first and the second drink. As Russian saying expresses it, “what is good for a Russian is death for a German”.

    Disclosure: the maximum I ever drank in my life was 750 ml of vodka (French Grey Goose), consumed within 4-5 h with plenty of meat and green leafy vegetables. Had no hangover next day, which in my book indicates that vodka was good.

    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @sher singh
  254. @AaronB

    Pure biological definition of the same species is that individuals can produce fertile progeny. However, there is a term “behavioral isolation” in evolution. It means that individuals could have produced fertile progeny, but do not breed because their behavior is incompatible.

    • Thanks: AaronB
  255. songbird says:

    Still scratching my head about the 1890 US census conspiracy.

    As far as I can tell, it was the only time that quadroon and octoroon were categories. That might be it, but I’m not sure.

  256. @Daniel Chieh

    Didn’t he have a picture of himself dressed as a woman as his prior twitter picture? Seems pretty gay tbh

    but you can call him Beyond Human.

    Sub Human

  257. @songbird

    Did some Japanese official proclaimed he aimed to make Japan a multiracial and multicultural 21st century modern country?

    Japan has already been taken over. It will be fucked soon.

  258. AaronB says:
    @AnonFromTN

    A shot in the US is 1.5 oz, which os about 45 ml.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @utu
  259. Matra says:
    @songbird

    He would definitely be banned from Youtube, if he approached it directly. And there are probably people who know who he is, and the UK doesn’t have good free speech laws.

    He kind of self-doxxed himself when he was still focused on economics and his views were more mainstream. Since anyone who wants to know who he is can find out his name & where he works in a minute or two he has to tread carefully.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Coconuts
  260. songbird says:
    @mal

    ORTRAG was an interesting story. I’m skeptical that it would have worked. Difficult to align so many pieces – if they weren’t aligned, it would have caused rolling instability. No space for vacuum-optimized nozzels. Pogo oscillations might have torn it apart.

    But I think the most interesting part of the story is the political pressure exerted against Germans developing rockets. I don’t think it all came from the Soviets. It might have just been normal geopolitics, but it seems to me that there was a touch of de-Nazification to the whole thing.

    Of course, rockets were always dual-use, and had military capabilities, but it’s rather interesting to consider in the light of the optimism of that time, where everyone was thinking that space was the future – and the Germans were not to have a future in space, even though they had been famous rocket pioneers, and von Braun had a high profile in America.

    • Agree: mal
  261. songbird says:
    @Matra

    His voice is too idiosyncratic. I wouldn’t be surprised, if the government used voice pattern recognition software to help dox such individuals to third parties.

  262. @AltanBakshi

    Nihang joining protests in Delhi

    Explaining the socialization white (liberals) go through, to unconsciously defend universalism isn’t progressive drivel.

    Have you read the book? it’s https://b-ok.org/book/5873622/750209

    The book has made me less anti-white (anglo) since I understand their autism isn’t intentional.
    Sikh aren’t anti anyone you’re just ESL (english second language)

    Lookin as nigga, sit the fk dwn.
    I pretty much understand far right whites (low class/angry) far left (sexual disorders)
    This is a good starting point for centrist whites writing from their own pov.

    Traditional? Nigga please we’re Sanatan (eternal)



    https://akarlin.com/2009/09/struggle-europe-mankind/

    We’re not beholden to anyone,
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  263. Dmitry says:
    @sudden death

    Probably, Karlin could be correct there. Some people predicting excess deaths of 250-330 thousand for the year, compared to the last year. https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/488438

    On the other hand, not everything about coronavirus is as bad as expected. For example, people with HIV seem to be relatively more protected against coronavirus, compared to the general population. https://ngs.ru/text/health/2020/11/30/69587228/

    Earlier in the year, we expected that coronavirus would have devastating effect on HIV populations, so some terrible number of deaths in cities like Perm or Ekaterinburg where there are the worst HIV epidemics – instead it seems that counter-intuitively, the weakening of the immune system by HIV results in less complications from coronavirus, and better survival rates in HIV infected people than for uninfected people.

  264. @AnonFromTN

    Yea, we drink by steel glass 2 for official shit it’s this

    https://food.ndtv.com/food-drinks/what-is-a-patiala-peg-and-how-did-it-get-its-name-1671444

    Although, that’s actually smaller.

    2-3 glass is normal for a drinker, reg guy will stop at 1 if home, family man, dinner time etc.

    I’ve drank more than that, only Scotch or White rum gives me issues.

    I prefer whiskey from the bottle or rum with ice though, Vodka tastes like nail polish..

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  265. @AaronB

    Maybe in theory. Most cocktails I had in bars/restaurants in the US contain ~1/3 of what you call a shot, at best. Lots of water/juice and ice, very little substance. The cocktails I make myself at home do contain what you say is a shot.

  266. @sher singh

    Vodka tastes like nail polish.

    Good vodka is 40% ethanol and 60% water, nothing else. Made of fermented grain, ethanol distilled, then diluted to 40% and purified using activated charcoal. In that sense Polish vodka made from potatoes, as well as Czech, Bulgarian, and Slovenian vodka (made of pears or grapes), all of which have distinct taste (that I like, BTW), is not quite vodka.

    only Scotch or White rum gives me issues

    Try real Scottish single malt, like Glenfiddich or Glenmorangie. As Scotts say, if they got it right the first time, it’s single malt, if not – it’s double malt.

  267. AaronB says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Apparently the Chinese doctored this photo, and posted it to insult the Australians. Another win for Chinese diplomacy. No doubt Daniel Chirh will tell us there is no way Australia would have been friends with China anyways, so its all ok.

    America became leader of the world because it demonstrated a capacity for self sacrifice on behalf of others, which is the quality of a leader. America sacrificed thousands of men for wars with other countries, forgave debts, and invested heavily in building up countries economies, often to its own disadvantage.

    Confucian China would have known that an older brother protects and sacrifices for his younger brother.

    Its understandable that China doesn’t like the way the West criticizes it for its human rights abuses while not being as good as it claims in this regard itself, but if China wants to replace the current international system, what benevolent vision is it offering? And how has it demonstrated a capacity for self sacrifice in behalf of others?

    China itself was built up by the old American system, through investment and open markets. Having benefitted, it now seeks to crash that system while offering nothing in its place except selfish power politics.

    America’s vision was growth with everyone else. That is why it flung open its markets to Asian economies even when it hurt it. That is why it built up Germany even though it knew they would go on to be competitors.

    It seems China’s vision is self aggrandizement at the expense of others, not together with them. And rule through force, not through seduction (with occasional force).

    Many people are unhappy with the current international system, and everyone senses that it has lost its moral basis and become corrupt. There is a real opportunity for China to offer a vision of benevolent cooperation that would inspire the world under its leadership. I would be happy under a Chinese hegemony that was genuinely benevolent and inspiring, like America’s once was.

    If the West hypocritically criticizes China about human rights abuses, the response is not to lash out childishly, but to outline a better vision – and to show people that you are capable of self sacrifice, and they will benefit from your system. The smirking face of Lijian Zhao indicates the emotional level of current Chinese leadership – fundamentally unserious, and more interested in the trying to feel superior than anything constructive.

    No country has ever ruled without a benevolent vision that made everyone feel they benefited. Rome offered the pax Romana and universal citizenship. Britain built up infrastructure, offered an impartial and honest administration, modern medicine and engineering, and science.

    China is the latest illiberal regime challenging a world system that, while full of faults, nevertheless aims at benevolence. That historically has never worked. Which is a shame, because the world needs alternatives to the American system.

    This won’t be the Chinese century. It will be the century where China squander an opportunity.

  268. @Dmitry

    Singapore and Hong Kong are also a product of English political culture. Moreover, the only desirable Chinese cultures for living in, are the ones which were ruled for significant number of years, by English institutions and political culture.

    Singapore and Hong Kong had third world populations (with a small English elite), and yet mainly as a result of the English influenced political culture, were able to turn into comparatively civilized citystates by the late 20th century. Now Hong Kong seems to be rapidly reverting since the English culture no longer is the rulers there

    I suppose you would suggest Macau and Taiwan are “undesirable Chinese cultures for living”, due to the lack of English Ideological influence 😂.

    What makes Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore and Macau pleasant places to live, has nothing to do with their non existent shared “Anglo Ideology”. But rather their lack of a particularly infectious strain of Yiddish Ideology. The same virulent strain that devastated both China and Russia for decades. 😉

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  269. Dmitry says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    There is belief that warzone in the West Bank, is powered by religious ideology (which seems quite intuitive). But the conflicts between peoples can be an end in itself, and the religion just operating as a organizing principle for the group identities which are in conflict. Of course, the introduction of religion makes Middle Eastern conflict even more primitive and fanatical than a merely racial conflict.

    Some Boers motivated to adopting nationalist forms of Orthodox Judaism, in order to move to the West Bank, and experience even more violent interethnic/interreligious conflict, than the secular racial conflict they experienced in South Africa. Racial conflict in South Africa was not violent enough, and now they seem at least unconsciously motivated to situate themselves in a religious war, where they can face real Islamist attacks, rather than just racial attacks.

    People become addicted to many aspects of a conflict, and can try to seek them, and some can even to trade one conflict for an even more violent conflict.

    At least in terms of the Cold War, people are addicted more to the rhetoric than the “action”, and this reliving of Cold War conflict becomes milder and milder than the real Cold War was.

  270. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Soviet Union was a rotten system, but so is the American system, but Soviet system was more dangerous for ones life and material conditions, than to the spirit, like the Americas

    The 90s in Russia tell you all about the impact of the Soviet system upon peoples’ spirit. Yes it is even worse than in the West.

    Fortunately, the Soviet system failed, it was destroyed and the horrible effects have not been permanent. The Western system has been more durable and successful. It’s success may make its negative effects longer lasting. So paradoxically, in the very long term the Soviet system’s very incompetence and failure may have made it better although we do not yet know where the West will end up. This is a call that can be made a few decades from now.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  271. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    If Antibody Dependent Enhancement is real in COVID-19, then Chinese have already half triumphed in the WW4 (the WW3 has been the Cold War and Perestroika that USSR has lost).

    Sun Tzu – style biowarfare: subtle and creepy.

    https://kornev.livejournal.com/557751.html

    Unless someone nukes the hell out of them in retaliation for the Wuhan abomination, the Chinese civilization will become globally dominant in the next couple of generations.

    Then:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Atlas_(novel)

    (I am being half serious about Cloud Atlas…)

    🙂

    • Replies: @AP
  272. https://ccla.org/bill-21/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_ban_on_religious_symbols

    https://www.therecord.com/opinion/columnists/2019/04/05/quebec-s-controversial-secularism-bill-creates-and-reinforces-division.html

    Altan stay in ur lane, bro.

  273. Dmitry says:
    @Blinky Bill

    Hong Kong would have seemed attractive when the English were ruling, because they had the exoticism of a tropical Asian culture, but there is still the insurance of having English rulers (so you could feel safe to invest in a long term way, to make your life there).

    You would have benefits of dragon festivals, spicy food, etc, but if someone tries to cheat you, then there is the guarantee of fairness, with a civilized European people at the top. Of course, this would be a false sense of security, as in the end there is a negatively stereotypical English betrayal (“Perfidious Albion”), and they gave the city to China.

  274. 128 says:
    @songbird

    Well during the mid-2000s I heard of news reports that the Feds are monitoring jihadi websites in order to collect intel, and this blog is basically the central repository of a large part of alt right or fringe views on the web, it would be dumb of them not to use this site as a honeypot for intel gathering ops.

  275. @128

    Monitoring Karlin’s blog for potential terrorists is a waste of time, this blog hasn’t even been publishing “alt right” stuff for a long time. 8chan (now renamed 8kun) would be a better place.

    • Replies: @128
  276. 128 says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    What about the rest of this site?

    • Replies: @128
  277. @Dmitry

    Once you let a Chinamen take over, the City State is bound to fail!

    Said some British bureaucrat!

    [MORE]


    • Replies: @Dmitry
  278. Dmitry says:
    @Thulean Friend

    If we comparing similar statistics, then immigration of 62 thousand Serbians into the EU each year, does not seem many people.

    For example, by comparison, more than 400 thousand Armenians go to the Russian Federation each year for work, while Armenia has a more than three times smaller population than Serbia.

    However, if Serbia became an EU member, they could start to have such real problems of emigration. i.e. Armenia has free labour movement with Russia, while Serbians need to attain a work visa to go to EU (so there is a paperwork barrier for Serbian emigrants).

    In that sense, Serbia does kind of look like it has high rates of emigration compared to Croatia, when you account for the fact that Croatians are part of the EU, and therefore don’t need a visa to work in the EU.

  279. AaronB says:

    I dont know how violent the South African race war is, but I can tell you most of the West Bank is not dangerous. Majy settlements are small cities that are large and prosperous and for all intents and purposes a part of Israel. Some are more isolated and rough.

    The main danger used to be attacks on roads, but since they built separate roads for Israelis and Arabs, it isn’t a problem.

    The violence takes place mostly in Palestinian cities.

  280. 128 says:
    @128

    Or they could just use this site to collect information on fringe dissidents.

  281. @128

    This site isn’t high energy enough to be an attractive destination for would be terrorists. With the exception of Karlin’s blog, comments on the forum go through a fairly lengthy moderation process.

    Although most people here lean toward alt-right like politics, this site is actually fairly diverse in its audience.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    , @Znzn
  282. @Dmitry

    The mistake the British government made with Hong Kong was agreeing to only a 99 year lease of the land with the Chinese government, and then investing large amounts of money in building up a city that they were going to have to hand back in a few decades.

    If they were determined for Hong Kong to be a British city permanently then they should have forced China to sign the land over permanently, like Russia forced China to do with Vladivostok, etc.

  283. Dmitry says:
    @Blinky Bill

    He is (hopefully not too unusual) example of the civilizing mission of English colonialism – that could create an English lawyer from local Chinese people. His biography is an analogy to the English legal system that continues in Singapore

    According to Wikipedia, Lee was called “Harry”, was lawyer for London’s Middle Temple, and helped to campaign in England’s local politics.

    He and his wife, Kwa Geok Choo, were married on 30 September 1950. Both spoke English as their first language; Lee first started learning Chinese in 1955, aged 32.

    He briefly attended London School of Economics, as enrolment at the University of Cambridge had already closed. He related that London overwhelmed him, and he sought the more pleasant surroundings of Cambridge. A fellow Raffles College student introduced him to the Censor of Fitzwilliam House, W. S. Thatcher, who admitted him for the 1947 Lent term. He matriculated in January 1947, reading law at Fitzwilliam College.

    Lee graduated First Class in both parts of the Tripos with an exceptional Starred-First for Part II Law in 1949; this placed him at the very top of his cohort, and he was awarded the Fitzwilliam’s Whitlock Prize. He was placed above two contemporaries who later became Professors of Law in Cambridge, including Elihu Lauterpacht.[41] Lee was called to the Bar at the Middle Temple in 1950.

    Lee campaigned for a friend named David Widdicombe, who was in the Labour Party. He drove Widdicombe around in a lorry and delivered several speeches on his behalf. Widdicombe lost the election in 1950, but went on to become a member of the Inner Temple with Lee.

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    , @Blinky Bill
  284. Dmitry says:
    @Europe Europa

    investing large amounts of money in building up a city

    It is a typical problem of late colonialism, and the British Empire seemed to develop this kind of behaviour from at least the end of the 19th century onwards.

    For example, in the 1880s British built such a train station named for Queen Victoria in India, which is more impressive and monumental than any train station that exists in London. (Since 1990s, it’s not called after Queen Victoria – does not even behave a memorial function for the lost British Empire.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chhatrapati_Shivaji_Terminus

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  285. A123 says:
    @Europe Europa

    The mistake the British government made with Hong Kong was agreeing to only a 99 year lease of the land with the Chinese government, and then investing large amounts of money in building up a city that they were going to have to hand back in a few decades.

    Technically the lease was for Kowloon, a portion of main land China immediately adjacent to Hong Kong island. At the time, no one on either side thought there was the slightest chance of non-renewal of the lease. They needed a number for the paperwork, and “99” sounded good. As both sides though the arrangement was permanent, certain pieces of critical infrastructure, such as power plants and Kai Tak Airport were placed in Kowloon.

    When the 99-year term came up the incredibly short-sighted and egomaniacal CCP made it clear that there would be no lease extension at any price. This was a massive double fault for the CCP:

    -1- It was obvious that the primary source of economic activity in Hong Kong was tied to UK law, banking, & business. CCP egomania could not grasp that the UK was adding value to Hong Kong.
    -2- The short-sighted CCP leaders failed to have a viable economic plan for Hong Kong after they intentionally slaughtered the Golden Goose that fed on wages from foreign business.

    It has been a couple decades since the incompetent CCP Elites brutally sacrificed the future of Chinese residents in Hong Kong for short-term political gain. The situation continues to cycle downwards.

    There is a tiny sliver of good news in this failure by CCP Elites. After totally botching the peaceful Hong Kong handover, there is little interest in creating an even worse problem by forcefully acquiring Taiwan.

    PEACE 😇

  286. • Replies: @Ano4
  287. Mr. Hack says:

    Has anybody out there read Mike Whitney’s recent piece here “Why You Should Skip the Covid Vaccine” where based on one article that he quotes extensively from Forbes, boldly summarizes what he sees as the truth of the matter:

    1. The vaccines will not cure Covid

    2. The vaccines will not prevent people from contracting Covid

    3. The vaccines will not prevent Covid-related hospitalizations

    4. The vaccines will not prevent Covid-caused eaths

    Truth or fiction? What sayeth thee, oh wise men of science that inhabit this blogosphere (AK, AP, Ano4, Professor Tennessee and perhaps others too)?

    I suspect that he would be more honest if he just put a 100% following all of his assertions, instead of postulating that the new vaccines seem to be 100% worthless.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  288. LondonBob says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Our strict racial segregation was a wonder to behold.

  289. Coconuts says:
    @Matra

    He was dismissed from his university teaching post after students (I think, students of colour) complained about certain tweets he made about helicopter rides. He was pretty bold in some of his tweets given his teaching position.

    He seems to be making a living from his ‘Academic Agency’ project now. I think a while ago he basically self-doxxed by selling pdf copies of an academic tome he had just published IRL at an affordable price.

    • Thanks: Matra
  290. @Dmitry

    Was it built by British workers?

  291. @Dmitry

    Thatcher on LKY: “Prime Minister, I wonder if it is true that when you were leaving Cambridge your tutor said “Well, Mr. Lee, when you get back I hope you will keep the flag flying” and that you replied “When I get back I will make it my duty to get the flag down”.

    [MORE]

    Dmitry do you consider Hokkien to be a form of Chinese? If so you might want to reconsider this:

    Lee first started learning Chinese in 1955, aged 32.

    With few exceptions, democracy has not brought good government to new developing countries…What Asians value may not necessarily be what Americans or Europeans value. Westerners value the freedoms and liberties of the individual. As an Asian of Chinese cultural backround, my values are for a government which is honest, effective and efficient.

    Lee Kuan Yew in speech entitled ‘Democracy, Human Rights and the Realities’,

  292. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    DiAngelo may be just some kind of public face for ‘Critical Whiteness Studies’, which is her field. It has been said that a list of the leading white academics in this field is something like a page from the Tel Aviv phone directory.

    And the intellectual roots of a lot of this stuff, beyond black nationalism and black queer feminism seem to go back to the Frankfurt School, Foucault, Derrida, Marcuse etc. Mencius Moldbug has said that he doesn’t believe in JQ related stuff because there is too much evidence for it.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @AltanBakshi
  293. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I am in general a pro-vaccine type of person. My kids have received all recommended vaccination and had all the repeats. But with SARS-CoV-2 the ADE gets me worried. I am by no means an immunologist, and the immune system is quite complex, so I am far from being certain that the in vitro results from the study published in the MedRxiv are indicative of what will happen in vivo.

    But if ADE is confirmed in vivo then that would mean that we have a real problem. We’ll know soon enough, and I will not rush my family to get vaccinated unless mandatory.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  294. AP says:
    @Ano4

    How depressing…

    • Replies: @Ano4
  295. Beckow says:
    @Thulean Friend

    ….immigration is more sustainable in Anglo-Saxon countries, because those coming in tend to be better selected and thus it builds public legitimacy.

    Wow. Have you actually been to UK recently? It’s a literal cesspool of the ‘best and the brightest’ in the big cities. If that is ‘discerning‘, maybe they should try a lottery. Or just shut the border. It’s bad enough already, what the hell you are you going for? Some combination of Mumbai and Lagos with a few pale left-overs?

  296. @Dmitry

    As a law student in Britain:

    “Here in Singapore, you didn’t come across the white man so much. He was in a superior position. But there you are (in Britain) in a superior position meeting white men and white women in an inferior position, socially, I mean. They have to serve you and so on in the shops. And I saw no reason why they should be governing me; they’re not superior. I decided when I got back, I was going to put an end to this.”

    After the second world war when the British were trying to reestablish control:

    “… the old mechanisms had gone and the old habits of obedience and respect (for the British) had also gone because people had seen them run away (from the Japanese) … they packed up.”

    “We were supposed, the local population was supposed to panic when the bombs fell, but we found they panicked more than we did. So it was no longer the old relationship.”

    “Anybody who decides to take me on needs to put on knuckle-dusters. If you think you can hurt me more than I can hurt you, try. There is no way you can govern a Chinese society.”

    LKY

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  297. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    9

    The Unz Review • An Alternative Media Selection
    A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media

    Although most people here lean toward alt-right like politics, this site is actually fairly diverse in its audience.

    All ideologies. Conservatives, liberals, nationalists, socialists, Communists, libertarians, anarchists, Greens, neoreactionaries, Islamists, SJWs, cypherpunks, the Alt Right, the Alt Left, Neo-Nazis, and Cult Mechanicus adepts are all welcome, so long as they follow the rules.

    Anatoly Karlin

    That is why I love this website and this Blog in particular!

    • Agree: mal
  298. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    Where there’s life, there’s hope. An old Muslim I know very well is used to say: “There’s always a way out of every situation, even when your head’s cut”.

    🙂

  299. Ano4 says:
    @sher singh

    What are they protesting against?

    • Replies: @sher singh
  300. Any of you guys seen the cgi a Chinese artist made of an Australian soldier sliting the throat of a boy holding a goat?

    It got a huge reaction out of the Australian PM.

    This was on the same level as the French cartoon on Islam. But base on real events.

    The chinese are learning the propaganda ways. Lol.

  301. @Europe Europa

    Agreement or not it doesn’t matter. At that point, china was saying give it back or we take it back in a few hours. The hand over was to save British face.

    That is my take on it.

  302. Dmitry says:
    @Blinky Bill

    superior position meeting white men and white women in an inferior position, socially

    And he is right in a social sense, that he shouldn’t have felt inferior to anyone because of race. We are all human beings and deserve equal consideration, without superficial judgement of individual people based on nationality.

    However, that’s aside from the observation, that Hong Kong and Singapore are privileged, in comparison to their neighbours, to the extent they had incorporated English law, political culture and actually English rulers (or culturally English rulers as in Singapore, which had this Cambridge University lawyer that worked in London’s Middle Temple).

    Being a British colony, at least from the second half of the 20th century, can be more attractive than being ruled by local elites, For example, after the discovery of the political corruption in the property market of Turks and Caicos in 2009, the British removed the local government, replaced “home rule” with “direct rule”, and there was a corruption trial for the local political elite.

    Until British rule, Hong Kong was still a corrupt society, with a Chinese corruption culture,. However, from the 1970s and 1980s, the British rulers launched strong (and supposedly successful) attempts to fight corruption, There’s an interesting chapter about the topic:
    https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/files/gov2126/files/manion.pdf

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Blinky Bill
  303. Dmitry says:
    @Dmitry

    Until British rule, Hong Kong was still a corrupt society,

    The word I intended here is not “until”

    “Under British rule, Hong Kong was still a corrupt society”.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  304. @Dmitry

    with a civilized European people at the top.

    Singapore and Hong Kong had third world populations (with a small English elite), and yet mainly as a result of the English influenced political culture, were able to turn into comparatively civilized citystates by the late 20th century. Now Hong Kong seems to be rapidly reverting since the English culture no longer is the rulers there

    Until 1990s, the judges and lawyers of Hong Kong, even had included real English people. You can understand why it was seen as a safe place for business.

    And he is right about this, that he shouldn’t have felt socially inferior to anyone because of race. We are all human beings and deserve equal consideration, without judgement based on nationality.

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    Do you consider LKY to be a real English/British person or Fake English/British person. Was he a civilized or uncivilized person?

    LKY’s great strength was that he neither cared or even asked such questions. He simply went about his business, effectively turning the Third World City State the British left him into a First World Asian City State, in less than 30 years!

    Being a British colony, can be more attractive than being ruled by local elites,

    Only weak foolish people’s think like that!

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  305. @Coconuts

    tldr of both books (finished how to be an anti racist)

    racist policy causes racism, it’s a descriptive not pejorative.

    white fragility and solidarity is the crying at the pointing out of a racist pattern or behavior, linked to above racist being a slur rather than descriptive.

    These are the 2 books the right is going crazy over, that literally say blacks can be more racist than whites; and, that regular white people are victims of racism.


    LOL

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  306. @Ano4

    Banning of religious procession on Guru Sahib’s birthday.

    In general, people are ok with daily restrictions if religious (community) stuff not bothered.
    Otherwise, face sword.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Ano4
  307. @Europe Europa

    The British made a desperate effort to rehabilitate their image at the end and attempt to further leave a poison pill in the population. The KMT and the CCP both would have agreed to go to war rather than allow the Anglos to remain.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  308. songbird says:
    @128

    I’ve wondered if VPN’s aren’t honeypots. Got to figure that every idiot looking at cat videos produces a lot of noise. VPN usage automatically means you are dealing with a higher IQ subset and one that is more independent-minded and future-orientated. I mean, if you were flagging anything for real people to look over, you would want them looking at people who use VPNs.

    Anyway, it seems obvious that anything that is public (like Unz) is probably sifted through by government software and catalogued, for later analysis, if needed.

    If you think of something like facebook, I’m sure that intelligence agencies consider that to be goldmine. Even if a person made no political posts, it would be worth knowing their “friends” and their “likes.” You could probably create a psychological profile just based on what books, music, and films they like. Maybe, they could even use it to know which person of a group to focus on for a literal honeypot (a physical approach.)

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Znzn
  309. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    The word “race” used to be pretty respectable and fine-grained, at one time. It even started below the national level and, of course, was possible to scale up above it. It was a proud word.

    “Species” might not be a bad word in and of itself. Even on scientific grounds it is slightly fungible. Coyotes, dogs and wolves are technically interbreedable, but nobody thinks of them as being the same animal – and they are all antagonistic to each other, generally. Chimps and Bonobos I believe are also interbreedable. Some believe that humans are also interbreedable with chimps (there are even some claims that it happened and was covered up).

    In theory, racial groups (at least the more exotic ones) vary in their ability to interbreed, in terms of fertility. I don’t think it is inconceivable that the same might be true of personality types, within a group. Perhaps, certain matches have greater fertility, and other less. Even, if we are not matching duplicates, perhaps certain pairings are more complementary.

    This is a kind of wisdom which seems to be missing from the current Leftist mindset, which is too focused purely on the fact that anyone can have sex with anyone. The term that is promoted nowadays, “population” is really aggressively passive. I don’t think it is a good word, but rather it is very laughable, or maybe sad.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  310. songbird says:
    @Europe Europa

    If they were determined for Hong Kong to be a British city permanently then they should have forced China to sign the land over permanently

    HK would have been impossible to hold. It would have been as easy as interrupting the water supply. The UK would not have stood a chance against China, that far away.

    A different case might be the Panama Canal. Militarily, the US could have held it indefinitely or turned Panama into a nature preserve. It could have even imported the population of Panama wholesale, and they might have been better, more assimalable people than the many millions of others that it has imported, such as Puerto Ricans.

    It may have been a mistake thinking that Puerto Rico was strategic and worth making Puerto Ricans citizens and not Panama. The best thing would have been to do a two way swap, taking the white Puerto Ricans and sending the black Panamanians to Puerto Rico.

  311. @Dmitry

    I was like you must be crazy. This correction made your last comment sane again.

  312. @Daniel Chieh

    The chinese decision to not reform the education system in hk was a really bad decision in hindsight. 20 years later, you got the brainwashed retards on the streets pleading for colonial rule to come back.

  313. songbird says:

    It is reasonable for many to suppose that the Republican Party is pretty much over as being a possible reform mechanism. That they’ve been demographically locked out of the 2024 presidential election, and every one after that.

    But technically, I don’t think that is true. I think they could actually win democratically and promote positive change in the system, if they became a party of conservi-thots. You’d have to put the thots through a screening process first, to make sure they were legitimate believers and not manipulators. But they wouldn’t have to be brilliant, just reliable and pretty.

    I don’t think that Democrats could run good-looking women. I don’t think that they would have a workable response.

    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  314. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    something like facebook,

    Social media has sometimes information, if it is scraped, where it could feel scary to find.

    However, scraping social media is time and memory wasting, and sites nowadays include more measures to prevent scraping, so that larger scale scraping becomes more inconvenient.

    Unless you are connected to politicians or powerful people, I don’t think anyone will be interested to scrape that information. (Of course, it would be interesting as a kind “market research” for identifying consumer trends, but not in relation to ourselves as specific people).

    could probably create a psychological profile just based on what books, music, and films they like. Maybe, they could even use it to know which person of a group to focus on

    There’s all kinds of information. But unless you were an important or powerful person, why would anyone waste time about it?

    On the other hand, about important or powerful people, there most be enormous amounts of such information which are being scraped all the time, and yet not reported in any media.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    , @songbird
    , @Daniel Chieh
  315. Dmitry says:
    @Blinky Bill

    LKY to be a real English/British person or Fake English

    He is an example of how British created elites from local populations as a reflection of themselves, even bringing them into the parent country to finish the education.

    In his comments, he seemed to have a very mild nationalist reaction to being ruled by the English, but it is not Nehru – his views reflect how benign British rule was in Singapore, and his response to recognising the actual weakness of Britain after the Second World War.

    Singapore’s desire for independence was a mutual desire shared by United Kingdom, and on both sides reaction to weakness of the British power projection, after the British army’s defeat to Japan in Singapore had involved their numerically largest surrender in history. It was a reaction to the decline of British power projection in that region, rather than some nationalist response to a harsh or unpleasant British rule.

    He simply went about his business, effectively turning the Third World City State the British left him into a First World Asian City State

    Lee Kuan Yew was a successful, pragmatic leader in Singapore, to say an obvious and uncontroversial opinion.

    But the economic success of Singapore is not Hercules’ achievement of an individual politician – more a predictable result of being the English-speaking administrative, investment and trade gateway into and out of East Asia (especially China), insured by English common law. This is evident from the parallel rise of Hong Kong, which shared those advantages.

    Unusual achievements of Lee Kuan Yew, would be visible from a comparison with Hong Kong. For example, Singapore’s housing policy seems to be more successful than what happened in Hong Kong.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @songbird
  316. Ano4 says:
    @Dmitry

    Lee Kuan Yew was a successful, pragmatic leader in Singapore, to say an obvious and uncontroversial opinion.

    insured by English common law.

    Malaysian legal system is also inspired by British common law. When British left Singapore was not more developed than Malaysia was.

    https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/ja-jp/knowledge/publications/17863738/business-ethics-and-anti-corruption-laws-singapore

    This is probably one of the major reasons why Singapore is way better performing than Malaysia. Any country that is ruled by a corrupt elite would be an under performer.

    Brits have corrupted local elites everywhere they settled their colonial rule. Buying out the local potentates was of course easier than fighting them all. When Brits left, many of their colonies became horribly corrupt (Zimbabwe). It is not just a matter of HBD influence on IQ, it is the local “elites” seeing themselves as morally inferior to the Brits.

    Some Russians have this absolutely naive manner to idealize the Brits. I think you fell into this trap. Happens to the brightest philosophers.

    It is easy Dmitry: apply to the Russian “elites ” the LKY approach and in a couple of generations a young Russian philosopher would be way happier to stay in Eburg than move to England.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @EldnahYm
  317. Ano4 says:
    @sher singh

    Some things are too complex to be managed through strength only. Social development is one of these.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  318. Vatniks and Peter Frost on suicide watch:

    Xi’s masterplan for a homogenous China

    Xi’s government is promoting a less tolerant pan-Chinese identity known as zhonghua, while the Han, or Mandarin, language previously known as hanyu has become guoyu, or officially the “national language.”

    In July 2019, China’s ruling State Council issued a white paper entitled “Historical Matters Concerning Xinjiang” in which it claimed that Xinjiang has “long been an inseparable part of Chinese territory” and that the region’s Uighurs “formed through a long process of migration and integration” from outside China.

    But the policy is apparently being implemented the same across the country and is meeting varying degrees of ethnic pride resistance. In September, tens of thousands of people in Inner Mongolia, officially an autonomous region of China, protested against Beijing’s plans to replace their language in some school subjects with guoyu.

    While Mongolian and in nearby provinces the Korean languages can still be taught for an unspecified time, the new laws stipulate that three core subjects — Chinese language and literature, morality and law, and history — must by 2022 be taught solely in guoyu in all schools in those minority regions.

    Sun Yat-sen, the founder of the Chinese republic, sought mostly unsuccessfully to establish a “union of nationalities”, which he identified as the Hans, Manchus, Mongols, Tibetans and Uighurs.

    Mao Zedong’s communists were even more lenient when it came to the question of ethnic minorities. This policy was abandoned as soon as the communists seized power and the People’s Republic of China was proclaimed on October 1, 1949. But ethnic rights were still recognized and the country consisted or several autonomous regions as well as autonomous counties on an even more local level.

    Under Xi’s pan-Chinese notion of zhonghua that is clearly no longer the case, but as recent protests in several ethnic minority areas show it won’t happen without significant local resistance, which in turn could threaten national unity and stability.

    We’ll see if he is ultimately successful or not but given that he’s the most powerful leader since Mao and has abolished term limits, it stands to reason that cultual policies in the coming decades are going to become more nationalist, not more globalist.

  319. Znzn says:
    @Dmitry

    You want to scrape that information because you do not know who might be the next one to turn up on the news.

  320. Dmitry says:
    @Ano4

    Russian “elites ” the LKY approach

    Anticorruption is not a bad example to follow. But overall Singapore’s relevance as a role model for Russia, would be a little like asking to Americans why they are not Switzerland, or asking Brazilians why they can’t develop like Monaco.

    Singapore was already a strategic trading post under UK. And today Singapore onshores large part of Asia’s insurance, financial services, and other tertiary services – which is based on their comparative advantage in Asia of English language and English common law. It’s the gateway and “safe platform” to Asia, along with Hong Kong.

    There are successes we (and much of the world) can learn from Singapore (public housing policy is interesting), but its economic boom is not replicable, unless you would be a country sharing something analogous to its postcolonial advantages.

    Brits have corrupted local elites everywhere they settled their colonial rule.

    And Singapore would be the beneficial counter-example of “corruption”, as they have one of the most anglicized local elite, with Lee Kuan Yew as paradigm of this. And in the second half of 20th century, Singapore followed the same economic path as its directly ruled British twin Hong Kong.

    Lee Kuan Yew biography almost identically parallels to other local elites of British Empire. For example, sentences of his Wikipedia biography, look like a copy-paste from Nehru: “Nehru was a graduate of Trinity College, Cambridge and the Inner Temple, where he trained to be a barrister”; ” Lee Kuan Yew transferred to and graduated from Fitzwilliam College, Cambridge. He became a barrister of the Middle Temple in 1950 and practised law until 1959.”

    But when the comparative advantage of a strategically located city-state (Singapore) will become its British legal system, then having a English lawyer is more useful for economic development, than for rulers of the vast rural, unindustrialized India.

    Anglicized elite does not necessarily create good results. But when the advantage of a particular territory like Singapore is to be an international investment and trading hub, into Asia – then there is a comparative advantage to English law and language.

    When Brits left, many of their colonies became horribly corrupt (Zimbabwe). It is not just a matter of HBD influence on IQ, it is the local “elites” seeing themselves as morally inferior to the Brits.

    Zimbabwe had civil war, and then nationalist reaction with (unfortunately Soviet supported) Mugabe. But if you will talk to people from Zimbabwe, they can say it would want it to be in the British Empire still.

    This isn’t saying we have to idealize British Imperialism, but to recognize a historical stage where British imperialism became benign, if not beneficial, for territories ruled.

    There’s something similar in a history of Japanese Imperialism – Taiwan. Effect of Japanese Imperialism was opposite of benign at certain times in Korea, let alone at mainland China – but with Taiwan there was real benefit to be a colony of Japan.

    It’s not saying that Haiti shouldn’t have rebelled against France, when its people were being enslaved. But colonialism could be very different in different places, decades, and centuries. If you were living to Bermuda today, would you have much need to rebel against island’s oppression and enslavement by London?

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  321. Dmitry says:

    I was randomly reading the Wikipedia list of the world’s oldest people with a coffee. Aside from how amazing that there people alive who were born in 1903, it’s little sad to see the inequality of the nationalities.

    Half of the list seem to be Japanese. There are also disproportionate numbers from Spain, Italy and France. There is only one person from China and one person from India. Not even one person resident in a postsoviet country.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_verified_oldest_people

  322. Znzn says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    No, I mean this site hosts and has enough fringe posters that it would be a massive oversight for the Feds to not try to know who are the people who populate this site.

  323. Znzn says:
    @songbird

    Well, it depends there are a lot of fairly impulsive people who are fairly intelligent out there too.

    • Replies: @songbird
  324. Coconuts says:
    @sher singh

    These are the 2 books the right is going crazy over, that literally say blacks can be more racist than whites; and, that regular white people are victims of racism.

    As far as I can see the correct way for the right to deal with this stuff is for them to reject the concepts and the deeper framing behind ideas like white solidarity and white fragility; for example the kind of definitions of racism the authors of these books assume.

    Otherwise it would be like trying to argue with a Marxist that Marxist claims about the bourgeois oppression of the proletariat are wrong, without being clear that the validity of key Marxist concepts and assumptions about social/economic organisation are what is being challenged.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  325. @Mr. Hack

    It has a light herbal taste and its very drinkable. Tea blend? What sacrilege is that? You mean that there are tea leaves blended with other type of tea or something? Bergamot in the Earl grey is an acceptable addition, but to mix varities of tea and make somekind of blend is not! Tea must be kept pure!

    It seems that this Marco Polo blend is even worse than I thought, it has flowers and herbs, all spoiling the naturally good and delicate aroma of Tea. I cant fathom why anyone purposefully rapes tea in this way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  326. @sher singh

    Oh so its Sanatan Dharma to use words like nigga, to study something called white fragility and to learn from progressive maniacs? Oh I didnt know that they are great followers of eternal Dharma in the south side of Chigaco and other such American urban areas. Clearly grievance studies are one manifestation of one eternal Sat, aint im right nigga?
    We have much to learn from those Brahman negroes of america, shame that tha whitey keeps em down bruh.

    • LOL: Ano4
    • Replies: @sher singh
  327. @AP

    At least historical Russian people and nation survived. I wouldnt at all be surprised if in 2060 native French or English are minority in their lands, or possibly there isnt anymore even any coherent idea of Englishness or Frenchness left. For traditions and religions it seems that the current dominant form of progressivism is more dangerous than the communism, French Catholicism and Anglicanism are quickly disappearing.
    H
    mm to me it seems that all this madness really started when the Christianity lost its grip on society, I even claim that theres a direct correlation with disappearance of Christianity and progressive madness! Maybe thats why the left is so mpnolithic and sensitive regarding any opposing opinions and viewpoints. They are solidifying their status as a new state religion of the west! This is extremely alarming development! If things are so then the future will be even worse! How much damage they can make before their madness will stop? This is something that Spengler couldnt and didnt foretell, he just said that there will be a time of long, long stagnation and decay, not that there will be a fanatical cult, which is on path to the civilizational suicide.

    I remember how Muslims were about 16% of the world populatiom in early 90s, so 1/6, then in the 2000s 1/5 of worlds population was Muslim and now its something like 24.1% so 1/4. Now thefe are projections that in the year 2050 every third man will be a Muslim. Maybe our ancient prophecies are right, if the west suicides and becomes a Muslim majority, then yes it will be so that the vast majority of humanity will be Mahomeddans in the future.

    Ano4 you are very wrong in regards of Ishmaelites….

    • Replies: @Ano4
  328. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Ano4 you are very wrong in regards of Ishmaelites….

    By Ishmaelite you mean Arab?

    I don’t recall writing anything specific about Arabs on AK’s blog (I don’t really find the modern day Arabs interesting).

    But perhaps you are referring to my comments about the Ismaili Nizari sect ?

    Even though their Imam (Aga Khan) claims descent from Imam Ali, they’re nearly entirely of non-Arabic ethnic background (perhaps some few thousand Syrian or Lebanese Ismaili families among millions of Hindustani (I include Baltistani among these) and few hundred thousand Pamiri converts).

    Please tell me more.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  329. @Coconuts

    I know dear Coconuts, I know the intellectual roots, even behind and before the Frankfurt school, but sadly the Anglo civilization has been hijacked and now they are the brute force behind the spreading of such falsehoods and delusions, a true infernal engine of lies and decay…

  330. @Ano4

    I mean the Nizaris, they are not to be trusted, I was very surprised of your positive comments of them, they are the same Muslims as those who were behind the Hashasins, there is quite good case to be made that they are the most dangerous sect of Islam. Not going to say more.

    There are of course few religious and ethnic groups that are very dangerous to others.

    There are still Ismailis in Iran and Egypt by the way. Who knows how many of them are, they are quite good in taqiyya.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  331. Forgot to add that the Baltis are not Ismailis. Baltis are good people, even though Muslims externally, they are still, Tibetans in their heart. There are Ismailis in Gilgit region of Gilgit Baltistan, but Baltis are mostly followers of various forms of heavily Sufi forms of Twelwerism or they are Noorbakshi Muslims.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  332. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Muslims as those who were behind the Hashasins, there is quite good case to be made that they are the most dangerous sect of Islam.

    Well, I have absolutely nothing bad to say about their tactics in the sectarian strife of the Islamic Middle Ages. Where Ahl al Sunnah killed indiscriminately hundreds of thousands of civilian Ismaili, the Ismaili fida’i only killed the higher ranked politicians and military personnel. They were brave and skillful people. Very respectful of learning and quite organized too.

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    They are still very well organized, hard working and intelligent. The Ismaili Bohra would be the equivalent of the Orthodox Jewry because they strongly keep to their traditions.

    https://jameasaifiyah.edu/

    https://www.thedawoodibohras.com/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawoodi_Bohra

    They have excellent physicians in their community.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saifee_Hospital

    The Ismaili Nizari would be the equivalent of the Reformed Judaism, they have successfully adapted to the modernity.

    https://m.ismaili.imamat/

    https://www.akdn.org/

    I know that Berzin wrote about the Manichean Ismaili exactions against the Dharma in Multan, but that was probably before the separation between the Qaramita and the Ismailia.

    With the notable exception of the mad Caliph Al Hakim, the Fatimid were known for their tolerant stance to other religions and Islamic sects. Just think of the Islamic Sicily as an example or the Maghreb at the time. Also the proto-Ismaili have wrote the compendium of Ikhwan As Safa:

    https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ikhwan-al-safa/

    A shame truly that they didn’t game the upper hand in the Islamic Oumma and that your Mongol ancestors destroyed their strongholds and libraries.

    So if there was an Islamic sect I needed to select profess shahada into, I would choose the Ismaili without the slightest hesitation.

    (Because of Assassin’s Creed video games)

    😄

  333. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    Without British colonial rule, I’m not sure that there would have been enough ethnic Chinese in Singapore to make it a success. Perhaps, but I think probably not.

  334. Mr. Hack says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Have you tried it? Look, if Earl Grey (bergamot) is an acceptable addition, why not other additions? I like to blend pure black tea with a some dried hibiscus flowers for a perfectly delicious brew (my guests all rave about it too). You need to perhaps open up your mind and taste buds to some wonderful teas, tisanes and mixtures, Grasshopper? Here’s one blend that should appeal more to the Mongolian within you. 🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AltanBakshi
  335. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    However, scraping social media is time and memory wasting, and sites nowadays include more measures to prevent scraping, so that larger scale scraping becomes more inconvenient.

    Intelligence agencies have billions of dollars to blow annually, which means that they have resources to do anything that is technically possible, and scraping is very easy. Especially, if facebook is in bed with you, through threats or bribes. In the US, they literally listen to random phone conversations, with speech recognition software, and look for key words like “bomb.” That must be pretty resource-intensive.

    I’ll bet about the entire West, even Germany, has bigger files on record than the Stazi did.

    It is quite scary to think of what intelligence agencies might be doing in Europe. On the one hand, in principle they need to look for Muslim terrorists and that would seem to be a lot more work than they ever had, but, on the other, there is peace in Europe, without a reasonable threat of war. So, what are they doing internationally? Probably bringing their resources to bear, crushing nationalist political parties, which is certainly fully in-line with the ideology of anti-racism.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  336. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    Nonsense. It all really depends on how the next four years go, and I do think that its going to be a rocky period, don’t you? If things go badly, the “deplorable” whites will come back with a vengeance to vote. The senate will probably remain in Republican hands. Trump made good inroads with Latinos and Asians too. I have a feeling that Trump will run again, so we’ll have to wait and see.

    • Replies: @songbird
  337. songbird says:
    @Znzn

    If you consider the total amount of information that one could get through internet surveillance, it is interesting to think of everything that might be a test of one sort or another.

    There are probably a dozen ways that you could estimate IQ, like wordsum. Political leanings would be easy. There are even tests of impulsivity, what physical traits one might prefer, and possibly susceptibility to addiction. Probably it would be easy to figure out who could be hooked on drugs, with the right push.

  338. 128 says:

    Actually, there are studies that intelligence is negatively correlated with industriousness since more intelligent people can just coast on stuff that less intelligent people will have to spend a longer time working on.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  339. @Mr. Hack

    Maybe you enjoy going to opera near a group of aspiring rap artists, but I dont. Flowers and other such additions dilute the wonderful and unique taste of the tea, like I wrote before, tea has very delicate and fine aroma, nothing good comes when you spoil the purity of tea. Also what Mongolian that tea has?

    This is how the Tea enjoyed in Mongolia looks like

    Tea can be boilt in water or in milk. One should not add sugar, for tea itself has its own sweetness, which cant be discerned if one is used to a sugary juices or sodas.

    • Agree: Ano4
  340. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    The old division of humanity into races, was felt to be primitive and unfair, the more one came into contact with other races. Everyone who lives in a big city knows lots of excellent people from ebery race, or who completely don’t fit the stereotype of their race, so this kind of division lost its appeal to sensitive and sophisticated people.

    When the word race first started to be used, this was much less obvious. Europeans had a new kind of civilization, and this created the illusion that there really was some kind of biological wall.

    So we need a new, better division of humanity.

    What is interesting to me, as usual, is the way reality is always different than what we lazily think. We tend to think that we are kinder abd more tolerant to people if we think all humans are one species, but it may be, that this belief causes us to be intolerant, and thus violently force our ways of life on others.

    The idea that humanity may be divided into distinct species, not according to race, but according to temperament and mentality, may promote tolerance. No one is angry at a tiger for being a tiger; we u derstand that is its nature. It can be nothing else.

    The idea of “human nature” – that it is one thing – may promote intolerance. The idea that there are multiple human natures, may make us see people who are different than us, not as failed or subpar humans, but as beings with a legitimate nature of their own.

    Anyways, obviously this won’t happen, as history, at least in the West, is a record of the idea that humanity has one nature, and the fight to define that nature and impose it on everyone.

    But it is a useful and fun intellectual exercise, to question assumptions, to appreciate delicious paradoxes, and see the world in a new, stranger fashion.

  341. AaronB says:
    @128

    Lol, you’re not allowed to say that here. Here, all good things naturally go together, and there is no paradox in the world.

    Ability cannot, paradoxically, lead to less industriousness, because such a world would be complicated, and lack the simplicity of a math equation.

    Let sleeping minds enjoy their slumber. It is cruel to wake people. Unless, of course, you enjoy it – bit prepare to be hated 🙂

  342. @Dmitry

    You clearly have little idea on how bureaucracies work. It doesn’t matter if it is useful; it only needs to vaguely appear useful to justify a salary. I knew actual top-secret agencies with people that just scanned old newspapers into microfilm. Its patently useless but someone is making a quarter million.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  343. @Mr. Hack

    Here’s a blend of Genghis Khan tea by another manufacturer that includes: ? “A blend of pine-smoked black tea, Silver Needle, and a touch of Jasmine. Steeps a nice bold cup with a hint of Jasmine.”

    I dont have an urge to connect with my feminine side… I drink my hard liquor and my tea pure.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  344. Mr. Hack says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I can see that you’re no follower of Ardhanarishvara.

  345. @Znzn

    A lot of the sites users are either not White or White boomers. As I said earlier, this site isn’t high energy with fast back and forth commenting and information sharing.

  346. A123 says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    China Lands Chang’e-5 Spacecraft on Moon to Gather Lunar Rocks and Soil

    Alternate headline:
    China to achieve in 2020’s what the U.S. achieved in the 1970’s.

    More seriously, it is a technological achievement. However, there is little of value on the surface of the moon of scientific interest.

    As a PR demonstration, perhaps it has value. China needs huge gains to repair its blighted image after inflicting WUHAN-19 on the world.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AaronB
  347. @A123

    The cope feels delicious.

  348. Max Payne says:
    @Ano4

    “The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines,” Leto said. “Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed.”

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Ano4
  349. I dont get it. Is Thulean friend Indian or Swede? Why Swedish guy would be so preoccupied with India, I am at least a Buddhist so theres at least some connection to India. Maybe hes an Indian living in Sweden, but then he wouldnt like the cold weather as much. Puzzling. So maybe Indian+Swedish mix? He must have some Hindu blood, why else he would support mass converting Muslims?

  350. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    You are correct I mixed up the Hunza valley people and Baltis. But Ismaili are very active I’m Gilgit Baltistan (a region I have always dreamed of visiting).

    https://the.ismaili/news/new-jamatkhanas-inaugurated-gilgit-baltistan

    I would like to know why you dislike the Nizaris so strongly. Anything esoteric about it?

    Perhaps you should play Assassins’ Creed on your Play Station and listen to Bill Laswell more?

    😉

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  351. joniel says:

    It’s hybrid war because some (not very good) food dishes are served in Russia. And there is no such thing as Chicken Kweef.

    • LOL: Ano4
    • Replies: @Haruto Rat
  352. AaronB says:
    @A123

    I fear you are taking the wrong tack my friend.

    The reason China acts like it does on the world stage is because it has an inferiority complex. Look at how defensive Daniel Chieh got when you questioned the value of Chinas recent achievement.

    If we want China to become good world citizen, we want to build up her self esteem. Instead of minimizing Chinese accomplishments, praise them. Congratulate China. Even if this technology is something we had 50 years ago, for China it is a good accomplishment.

    China has to feel rewarded and respected in the current international system, or naturally she will try and crash it.

    Every few generations, some new power with low self esteem, that feels its real worth isnt recognized, arises and wants to “show the world” – and crucially, itself – that it has worth. This was Germany in ww2.

    Its a dangerous situation, and it would be much better if we can avoid a war to deal with this situation. It may not be possible – there are times when an inferiority complex drives a level of grandiose fantasy that does not permit reasonable compromise. But it’s not clear China has crossed that threshold.

    Huawei and 5g may not impressive technologies in the manner of Western or Japajese achievements, but they are the diamonds in China’s crown. We should praise them and make China feel great about them.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  353. Ano4 says:
    @Max Payne

    Blessed be the Coming and the Going!

  354. @Ano4

    But if ADE is confirmed in vivo then that would mean that we have a real problem. We’ll know soon enough, and I will not rush my family to get vaccinated unless mandatory.

    Like I said in the other thread, we don’t know whether ADE will become a problem with Covid vaccines. There is no scientifically sound evidence one way or another. Moreover, different vaccines might have different propensity to cause ADE. It would take at least several months to evaluate whether vaccines cause ADE.

    My rule of thumb is, do not trust sources with conflict of interest. Western MSM are owned by the same cabal that used Covid scare to perpetrate massive fraud in 2020 elections and expects to make billions by selling vaccines. Thus, the credibility of Western MSM is zero. So, we are unlikely to get true data on ADE caused by Moderna, Astra-Zeneca, or Pfizer vaccines, unless they are studied in a country that is not an imperial vassal and the cabal fails to suppress data publication. Personally, I would refuse all of these vaccines, as they are likely to be as fraudulent as 2020 elections. If Alzheimer-in-Chief makes vaccination mandatory (likely that’s one of the reasons the corpse was installed by the cabal), I would seek something from my physician to avoid it at all costs.

    I know about vaccines developed by independent players, China and Russia. I will monitor publications by Chinese and Russian scientists to get the info. If by March-April the data look promising, I would try to get one of those vaccines. Living in the US, I am not quite sure how to get vaccinated by those vaccines (they will be banned in the Empire and its sidekicks to quash competition), but I would try to find a way.

    • Thanks: Ano4
  355. @Ano4

    I havent played videogames for a long, long time, but I remember that when the AC 1 came I tried it for about 15-30 minutes and got bored. There have been very few videogames that I have ever liked, most are too boring and repetitive. And it seemed to me over decade ago that the games were just getting shittier, maybe I just got too old for gaming or something. Its even hard for me to watch modern american movies…

    I have various reasons to dislike them, but here is interesting site kept by ex ismailis.
    https://insideismailism.wordpress.com/
    The Nizari Ismailis truly believe that Aga Khans are regents of Allah on this earth.

  356. songbird says:
    @Mr. Hack

    depends on how the next four years go, and I do think that its going to be a rocky period, don’t you?

    I don’t think Biden and Kamala will show a lot restraint.

    Trump made good inroads with Latinos and Asians too.

    I’m not convinced that it is possible to flip any non-white group. It is interesting to think about though – blacks had trends that lead somewhere – to them being “flipped”, but they were already voting for FDR, before they flipped in congressional elections.

    If the Republicans become more appealing to other groups, I think that will mean that they’re just become less radical Democrats, and they won’t have an ideological basis for true opposition. When you pander to different groups, you are implicitly playing the “diversity is good” game. I don’t think any substantial reform is possible, under this basis. Maybe, if they laced their praise for Latinos and other groups, with condemnations of ugly black behavior, in a one-to-one ratio. But I can’t see that happening.

    I have a feeling that Trump will run again

    I think he’ll be too old in another four years. Some people believe that he’ll be heavily targeted, when he leaves office.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  357. A123 says:

    There is no such thing as “hybrid war”. There are only two options:

    — WAR — Large numbers of troops on the ground. Widespread Shooting, Stabbing, Dying…
    — NOT WAR — No wide spread deployment of boots on the ground.

    The fake term “hybrid war” is used by the Military Industrial Complex [MIC] to blur the line between WAR and NOT WAR. They like war and profit from it. It is much easier for the MIC to escalate into a real war once they have brainwashed people into accepting “hybrid war” exists. MIC logic goes like this — If one is already 90% there via “hybrid war”, one might as well go all the way to 100% war.

    Allies of the MIC use “hybrid war” to justify escalation. Those who want peace should avoid the term.

    PEACE 😇

  358. songbird says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I’d like to see the English language reformed to a point where the term “black man” could be reclaimed to its original meaning, as I believe, a Northern Euro of slightly darker complexion.

  359. @Ano4

    It’s question of sovereignty, we’re our own government.

    ਖਾਲਸੋ ਹੋਵੈ ਖੁਦ ਖੁਦਾ⁣
    ਜਿਮ ਖੂਬੀ ਖੂਬ ਖੁਦਾਈ⁣
    ਆਨ ਨਾ ਮਾਨੈ ਆਨ ਕੀ⁣
    ਇਕ ਸੱਚੇ ਬਿਨ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹਿ⁣

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B6Onsr1FzHK/

    Khalsa is autonomous like the will of nature.⁣
    Khalsa submits to no other than the true Guru.⁣

  360. @AltanBakshi

    Do you believe in secularism?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  361. Can any Englander here tell me what the hell goes in the head of the queen Elizabeth? Is she totally impervious to the total destruction to the traditional England that has happened under her “rule” and watch? Does she care at all, does she even notice? And how could not she notice, she was queen already on the 1950s, so is she like “this is totally normal that we have towns and cities were my original subjects are a minority now. Such is the natural progression of history under my reign.”

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @Daniel Chieh
  362. Ray P says:
    @Europe Europa

    Late in the eighth season of Friends there is a Thanksgiving dinner episode where Brad Pitt plays an old high school pal of Ross and the pair are revealed to have started a rumour that Rachel Green (Jennifer Aniston), also attending the same school (along with Monica -Ross’s sister), had a penis – she became famous even at Chandler’s distant high school as the hermaphrodite cheerleader of Long Island.

  363. @Coconuts

    So race doesn’t exist or shape social outcomes? ie hasnt been a political tool in the past into current day.

    The author of white fragility is describing how things are..
    Not really framing anything, since they say whites aren’t conciously doing this and are socialized.

    If anything the logical conclusion of these ideas is to go after Jews, the powerful “policymakers” who use racist ideas & policies for their self-interest.

    That’s why I think these ideas are a dead-pan (lack of power) not ness anything else.

    Kenzi goes at length to explain ideas can be racist not people, and has a whole chapter to why blaming/hating whites is wrong, and that the average white suffers from racism in many ways more than rich blacks.

    Old fat spokesman for jews (((conservatives))) will ignore this, and yell to boomer fanbase.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  364. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Xi’s government is promoting a less tolerant pan-Chinese identity known as zhonghua, while the Han, or Mandarin, language previously known as hanyu has become guoyu, or officially the “national language.”

    I’ve wondered what the long-term future is for Cantonese. I’m no authority, but I suspect that it has many English loanwords, and it might be more susceptible to globohomo-thought.

    But, withal, I’m not sure it would be desirable to ban it. Censorship can handle bad ideas on a cultural level. It may be desirable for Cantonese movies to become the exotic foreign language movies that northern Chinese watch, rather than Hollywood movies.

    And it is my theory that dialects might act as firewalls to prevent bad ideas from spreading too easily, and should be promoted in schools.

  365. Mr. Hack says:
    @songbird

    I think that a lot of Asians and Latinos don’t like being lumped in with Blacks, and should not be that hard to move over to the Republican party. Many of them are hard working professionals or entrepreneurial types, so the idea of paying high personal taxes should lose any attraction for them (I used to think about Jews in the same manner?).

    Of course it’s too early to talk about Trump’s run at the presidency already in 2024. He looks a lot better and rested already, and with his enormous ego, who knows?

  366. @sher singh

    As always depends on various factors. What kind of religious demographics we are talking of, and there are many types of secularism, the French one I dont like, its like they force their liberal and revolutionary ideology upon everybody else and deny others expressing their culture naturally.
    Your “pandita” Robin DiAngelo
    Theres something off about her…

    • Replies: @sher singh
  367. @Thulean Friend

    There is nothing new about this. Although hanyu should be putonghua(“the common tongue”), unless they are adopting KMT terminology now.

  368. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I havent played videogames for a long, long time

    I was just being flippant about AC. Last time I played video games it was on Amstrad with a monochrome screen (I’m serious).

    I have various reasons to dislike them, but here is interesting site kept by ex ismailis

    There are crazy people writing crazy stuff about HHDL too:

    http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Index.htm

    I tend to not believe the converts and the apostates, the former are too lyrical about their new found beliefs, the latter are usually disgruntled and too critical.

    The Nizari Ismailis truly believe that Aga Khans are regents of Allah on this earth.

    Of course they do according to their understanding of Shiah theology and history of Ahl Ul Bayt. Otherwise why would they follow the Aga Khan?

    The interesting stuff about them is they supposedly have an esoteric teaching about reincarnation and the incarnation of the Divine Light as Imams. But this is hearsay, you have to reach highest levels of initiation to know whether any of this gossip is true.

    Anyway, they are doing a lot of good works around the world and this is what is important from my point of view.

    https://www.agakhanmuseum.org/

    https://ismailimail.blog/tag/silk-road-project/

    Nice people that I would have as neighbors any time!

    🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  369. @Dmitry

    There’s something similar in a history of Japanese Imperialism – Taiwan. Effect of Japanese Imperialism was opposite of benign at certain times in Korea, let alone at mainland China – but with Taiwan there was real benefit to be a colony of Japan.

    I’ve been reading a book on Korea by Byung-Nak Song, and he writes that while it is heretical to state that Japanese colonisation of Korea had any benefits (particularly pre-WWII) he says there were. The Japanese did a lot to industrialise the peninsula. Of course, the horrific human rights abuses with ‘comfort women’ have given the Japanese a very bad name in the postwar era, which makes any objective assessment of the pre-war period next to impossible due to Imperial Japan’s wartime conduct.

    • Replies: @Rattus Norwegius
  370. @Dmitry

    The Times published a longform investigative piece on one of the Greek islands which has an abnormally large fraction of centenarians.

    I recall reading another article on how old men on some of these Greek islands have much less hairloss. There was no clear answer, but the researchers looking into it basically hypothesised that it was partly due to almost no pollution in the air and partly that the villagers didn’t use any industrial shampoos, but rather just used olive oil from time to time.

  371. @sher singh

    I dont know if Im right or wrong, but I assume that you are a Sikh man living in a Punjab, a Punjabi Sikh, how the hell is race relevant in Punjab of the year 2020? This over racialization is in my opinion an Anglo trait and they have infected or are infecting other people with the same problem. Yes there are ethnicities/peoples and nations, which differ quite much from each other or are close with each other, but to see everything through lenses of race is dangerous over simplification of problems in human societies, as dangerous as the one used historically by the communists, to divide people by their class, and to see everything through classes.

    There are gentiles and the jews, thats quite useful, there are westerners and easterners, Indians and Chinese, Slavs and Germanics, Arabs and Persians, but to lump all brown people into one megarace of Mexicans, Brazilians, Indians, Malays, Turks, Arabs just doesnt make any fricking sense.

    But then I got quite lucky genetically, even though I am mixed race man, I can pass as a white, I didnt inherit the Asian eyes, or what they are called? I look as white as the comedian Tommy Chong(never watched his movies, just few clips) or actor Keanu Reeves, okay I would not pass as a native in Germany or in the Nordic countries, but in the UK and USA I could easily pass as a white, but I am lucky because I look slightly ethnic white, so I dont stick to the eye as strongly in the Asian countries as your average Swede or Anglo. I got the best of the both worlds! Unlike negro blood, the Asian and European blood easily dilute each other, few know that Bruce lee was 1/4 German ot something. Therefore if half Asian and Half European got children with full blooded European or Asian they will look almost completely as the genetically dominant side.

    Personally I am proud of both my European and Asian heritage and I dont see any conflict of interest between them. Still I am forced to identify more with my Asian side, because I dont feel much common with modern anti traditional European culture…

    • Thanks: TheTotallyAnonymous
  372. @AltanBakshi

    You have a one track mind. If an idea is useful we use it, otherwise we discard it.

    Attacking European universalism benefits everyone.

    https://akarlin.com/2009/09/struggle-europe-mankind/

    You see blacks talking funny and whites being attacked.

    We see black leaders desiring separation after the civil war and being stopped by white progressives.

    White fragility attacks the cosmopolitan class, and How to be an anti racist defends the white working-class.

    There’s nothing wrong with interacting with the world as it is, we’re not all internet cosplayers.

    Guru Sahib had Aurangzeb swear on the Quran as he was a Muslim।।

    Was that wrong because of X?
    Buddhist puritanism created untouchablility,
    Khalsa destroys it.

    [blockquote] I can pass as a white [/blockquote]
    No one is surprised by this, and maybe the Queen isn’t a white nationalist like yourself?

    https://b-ok.org/book/5873622/750209

    Here’s the book, find out for urself whii boi.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  373. @AltanBakshi

    why else he would support mass converting Muslims?

    Why wouldn’t you? Hinduism is far superior in every way. Most people’s understanding of Hinduism in the West ranges from primitive to non-existent, so perhaps any substantative argument on the topic is impossible in these forums.

    Abrahamic death cults have done tremendous amounts of damage to the world.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AltanBakshi
  374. EldnahYm says:
    @sher singh

    India’s population hasn’t been displaced by Anglo settlers. There is no “for me but not for thee” argument applicable. The amount of Indians in the world has increased dramatically because of the actions of Brits, Germans, and Americans. Besides, no group of people contributed more enthusiastically and in greater numbers to the British Empire than Indians. The greatest crime of the British Empire is spreading brown bastards around the world to cheat the natives. The only people less justified in their anti-colonial sentiments than Indians are north Africans.

    British rule of India was for Indians own good by the way, not that it matters. Indians like Vivek are unhappy about this because they know it’s true.

  375. The grenades from Swedish grenade attacks are supplied by Balkanoids
    You import Balkan people you get Balkan problems

  376. @EldnahYm

    relative power is all that matters.
    No people rebelled more either.

    There were less christian & muslims than Hindus a century or so before, now there’s more.
    Whites created Pakistan, and gave Islam a second re birth.
    Whites spread poz while denying it exists or that they do so.

    Hindus are being displaced by Muslims, the west globally practices cultural racism vs the rest.
    https://akarlin.com/2009/09/struggle-europe-mankind/

    Vivek isn’t an Indian since he’s ADharmik.

    Stop cow slaughter & we can be friends||
    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  377. EldnahYm says:
    @Ano4

    This is probably one of the major reasons why Singapore is way better performing than Malaysia. Any country that is ruled by a corrupt elite would be an under performer.

    Singapore is better performing than Malaysia because it’s a small city state with 3/4 Chinese population. Malaysia is nearly 70% Malay.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  378. @Thulean Friend

    > preaches sati
    >complains about “death cults”

    • Troll: sher singh
    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  379. @EldnahYm

    Malaysia is nearly 70% Malay.

    Impressive given that they only barely had a majority upon independence.

  380. @Thulean Friend

    Didn’t they find that most of them were lying about their age as part of a pension scam?

  381. EldnahYm says:
    @sher singh

    Whites created Pakistan, and gave Islam a second re birth.
    Whites spread poz while denying it exists or that they do so.

    Muslims were doing fine in south Asia, central Asia, Africa, and obviously the Middle East long before Europeans showed up.

    Western influence does spread poz. But the spreading of poz happens in the third world because the elites of those countries want foreign goodies, and so open their countries to western influence. In most cases, this has been a choice which could have been avoided had those countries wanted to. North Korea has shown that poz can be completely kept out if a country’s elite wants to. Poz in India is no different than poz in the west. Just as elites in white countries are selling their own people out, elites of other countries will do the same.

    • Agree: Astuteobservor II
    • Replies: @sher singh
  382. @AltanBakshi

    He’s spiritually Indian, which is what really matters.

  383. @Thulean Friend

    The part about the name of the chinese language is total bs.

    That is essentially desperation showing through. For any angle to attack the chinese. I know this for a fact since I have been trying to learn mandarin for over 3 years now.

    And all asians are open racists. This is another stupid angle. But it just might work on the stupids in the USA and west.

    White Americans and Europeans should learn from asians when it comes to racism. They are open about it but not as drastic as the kkk. Imo, the perfect middle ground.

    • Replies: @Inselaffen
  384. @AltanBakshi

    Bomber and thulean are both Indian.

  385. @sher singh

    I definitely am not a white nationalist, thats one of the most idiotic things you have ever uttered.

    untouchablility

    90% Hindu invention, 10% Buddhist invention. There are hundreds or thousands of different ways how Hindu Brahmin can lose his ritual purity, or a caste Hindu can lose his, there are only couple ways how Buddhist becomes an outcaste. So a gross false statement from you.

    Attacking European universalism benefits everyone.

    Yes attacking against progressivist, liberal and American universalism helps everyone everywhere always. When one appropriates American race narrative – one is just spreading American progressive universalist ideology.

    Russians, Italians, Spanish, Poles and Germans etc are Europeans too and they are not at fault.

    Guru Sahib had Aurangzeb swear on the Quran as he was a Muslim।।

    Excuse me?

    • Replies: @sher singh
  386. @Thulean Friend

    After breaking the egg its practically impossible to repair the egg, or Islam has already happened and its almost impossible to force Muslims out of it, I think that they would just radicalize beyond all reason, so much that this current radicalization would seem like a Corona to the Black Death in comparison. Yes it would be much, much better if people of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan would be once again Buddhists and Hindus, and even Muslims of India too, but I dont believe that mass converting them is currently possible. They will be one day converted but that day will come only when the Kali Yuga ends.

    You are greatly wrong in regards of Christianity. It is anything else than a death cult, its a cult of eternal life…. and its roots are not as semitic or abrahamic as people think…

  387. @Ano4

    Aga Khans drink and have many affairs with women, such behaviour is not acceptable from a religious leader whose religion prohibits such behaviour. Therefore there is high likelihood that its a dangerous cult, with a charismatic leader. Of course they explain that Aga Khan can forgive sins and make his own rules and that he can even override shariah, but again it seems quite odd to me.

    trimondi.de, how do you know that site, utter rubbish! Yes what you say about the apostates and those who have converted and left on the moments impulse, is often true, but I just dont trust religious leaders who have lots of active relations with women and who like to drink, it doesnt seem proper for people in such position. Common people are common people, regents of Allah and Vicars of Christ have different standards.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  388. @Thulean Friend

    I do not really understand the purpose of the hard crackdown on the Mongol language, as as far as I know they are not causing problems, are not threatening and will soon be replaced by Han Chinese.

  389. EldnahYm says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I can’t speak for Thulean, but liberals tend to identify with foreign cultures for dumb reasons. The most common reason I see is that people like the cuisine.

    • Agree: Ano4
  390. @EldnahYm

    Muslims were being destroyed lol.
    Where do those foreign goods come from? Whites.
    Who insists on disarmament and feminism? West.

    Why do you identify with your elites or ignore that pozzed elites help each other stay in power?

  391. @Daniel Chieh

    What is sati compared to the massive genocides of natives in the Americas and the bloodcurdling religiously fanatical civil wars in Europe? A drop in the ocean.

    Besides, the central figure in actually getting it abolished was Raja Ram Mohan Roy, not any foreign interloper.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  392. @AltanBakshi

    https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Zafarnama

    If you defend white identity, you’re a white nationalist.
    Using the American race narrative against American whites is appropriate.

    Everyone else you named is a vassal of American culture – even Russia.
    Again, if Americanism strengthens our position we will use it else we discard it.

    You’re only defending this because you’re “white”

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  393. @EldnahYm

    British rule of India was for Indians own good by the way

    1. India’s average life expectancy didn’t budge from the formation of the British Raj to independence, a stunning fact.
    2. India’s per capita income didn’t improve either.
    3. The railways were only built to loot India faster and more efficiently.
    4. Churchill purposefully diverted food grains away from India, exacerbating a famine and leading to millions of deaths.

    I could go on, but rest assured, the hilarious fiction that “colonialism was good for India” is a fable only the most ignorant goras would spin for their delusions.

    • Agree: sher singh
  394. @EldnahYm

    Before the British modernization Indian high caste people couldnt even travel on ships, because they lost their ritual purity and caste if they were crossing the ocean.

    The Baudhayana Sutra, one of the Hindu Dharma Shastras, says that “making voyages by sea” (II.1.2.2) is an offense which will cause pataniya, loss of caste. It offers a rather difficult penance: “They shall eat every fourth mealtime a little food, bathe at the time of the three libations (morning, noon and evening), passing the day standing and the night sitting. After the lapse of three years, they throw off their guilt.”

    https://www.hinduismtoday.com/modules/smartsection/item.php?itemid=3065

    So Sher Singh once again you see that the Hindudharma was historically maniacally obsessed with caste and ritual purity, not the pragmatical and utilitarian Buddhadharma.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  395. @sher singh

    If you defend white identity, you’re a white nationalist.
    Using the American race narrative against American whites is appropriate.

    How many times I have mentioned that I think that the term white is an Anglo construct, only suitable for Anglo colonial societies. Your mind is already infected by western progressive ideas, you think through such concepts as race and white fragility or identity, thats not traditional way to think and its even less way of the Sanatan Dharma. But maybe you like to think and live like Mlechhas? At least you already have mleccha teachers like DiAngelo. Or do you claim that she teaches Dharmic wisdom?

  396. @Thulean Friend

    I agree with your points, but it must also be stated and remembered that in all likelihood without the English rule current India would not be one united big country.

    Who knows how many Muslims there would be now in the Oudh, Telangana and Mysore if the British would not have beaten Tipu Sultan and Nawab of the Oudh, and if Hyderabad could have continued as an independent state? Who knows how fragmented the Indian subcontinent would be? Thanks to the separation of the Pakistan from the India, many Muslims moved out and many Hindus came in, that too must be remembered. Or that the Sikhs would never had voluntarily given their country to any pan-Indian state, not without heavy and prolonged struggle. Therefore I very much believe that the Indian subcontinent would be a collection of one or two dozen states without the British and that they would have a higher percentage of Muslims, but maybe then without the British Pakistan and Bangladesh would then have a higher proportion of Hindus.

    Still the Blessed One taught that we should be thankful for what we have and do our very best with that, for the past cant be changed, but it could always been even worse…

    • Replies: @sher singh
  397. @AltanBakshi

    ਖੰਡਾ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੈ ਸਾਜ ਕੈ ਜਿਨ ਸਭ ਸੈਸਾਰੁ ਉਪਾਇਆ ॥
    kha(n)ddaa pirathamai saaj kai jin sabh saisaar upaiaa ||
    At first the Lord created the double-edged sword and then He created the whole world.

    and no, that’s post Islam look at Cholas. Brahmins became vegetarian to counter signal Budh/Jain

    Look how many times have I mentioned, fk what u think?
    Anglo-French thought is the dominant discourse, and the one which divides the spoils.

    I’m sorry your ethnic group is like 10k people and eternally doomed to be dominated by outsiders.
    I’m sorry you’re a mutt whose tribe can’t control its women||

    Wtf is DiAngelo teaching us? Woke whites are imbeciles who help us destroy West Europeans who are a cancer on the planet.

    Guru Sahib learned many languages, I sleep with a sabre you think Im in danger of going white lib?
    I think you mistake our interest with your’s.

    We don’t care for any of these ideas like race, other societies do. It’s easier to use ideas they’re familiar with to get our way.

    Or should we use Sanskrit in Devanagri on this English forum?
    The Asian autism is definitely stronger than the European creativity in this one..
    Have you never heard of Saam Daan Dandh Bhed?
    Flattery, Bribery, Force, Division

    Basic political strategems. Bodhas view world as stone cant distinguish Miri & Piri
    So they went extinct..

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  398. songbird says:
    @EldnahYm

    The amount of Indians in the world has increased dramatically because of the actions of Brits, Germans, and Americans.

    The substantial contributions of the Portuguese (and possibly Spanish or Amerinds) should not be overlooked: the peanut and potato. They were really the first European input that made the population of Indians start shooting up stratospherically.

    Indians should have worshiped the Portuguese, as their highest caste, or as gods, even above the English, rather than expelled them from Goa.

    • Thanks: EldnahYm
    • Troll: sher singh
  399. @AltanBakshi

    You’re another white lib using Buddhism to justify white power||

    Bengal became majority Muslim in the 1890s after 140 years of British rule
    Punjab in the 1920s after a famine & 70 years.

    Without British piling Muslims especially Afghans into Mil/Police and favoring their protection, there’d be no Islam.

    Hyderabad had Sikh ministers and a Sikh army.
    Keep commenting on obscure Khohol v Finno-Ugric contests, you’re out of your area of expertise.

    The true path of the Buddha is in the Khalsa, you don’t bear evil you resist and destroy it||

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/part-2-or-force-23514594
    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    Portuguese destroyed 1000s of temples and had a multi centennial inquisition.
    Tbh, the Gods aren’t “mortals”

    Let’s kill all the whites then decide how to “worship them”

    Deal.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @songbird
  400. @Thulean Friend

    Actually there is one unintentional good thing the British did which is partitioning India.

    This is consistent with their policy of troublemaking while dismantling the Empire (Palestine,Cyprus etc.) however without partition India would be 40% Muslim today and a Muslim majority country by the middle of the century.

    Instead they partitioned the country effectively on a maximum Muslims out minimum productive land seceeded basis which is the reason India has a realistic shot at emerging as a second world country by the middle of century.

    OTOH An India with 700 million Muslims,Upper Caste Hindus disenfranchised and a perennial Hindu Muslim low level civil war would be the ultimate global untouchable.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  401. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    The main debate seems to be whether he is half-Indian, or full Indian.

    I have previously considered, if he might be a similar mix as Kamala Harris, as he seems to be attracted to African women (a trait I believe would be quite rare in Swedish men) but he seems to be down on black South Africans – probably for still calling Indians “coolies” and not embracing Gandhi’s idea to turn South Africa into an Indian colony.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  402. @Vishnugupta

    Sikhs kicked out Muslims, wtf did Hindus do?
    They even let some back into West UP & Bengal

    Minimum productive land ceded.. you’re a retard & an atheist.

    Anyway, to Altan
    You’re a white lib using Buddhism to justify white power||
    Bengal became majority Muslim after 140 years of British rule
    Punjab in the 1920s after a famine & 70 years.

    Without British piling Muslims esp Afghans into Mil/Police and preventing their genocide, not even Turkey would be Muslim.

    Hyderabad had Sikh ministers and a Sikh army.
    The true path of the Buddha is in the Khalsa, you don’t bear evil you resist and destroy it||

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/part-2-or-force-23514594
    https://www.manglacharan.com/post/forgiveness-or-force-by-guru-gobind-singh

    to songbird.
    Portuguese destroyed 1000s of temples and had a multi centennial inquisition.
    As for worshipping Whites, we’ll respect them with the Gods once we send them all to meet them||

    AS for white fragility read from p. 4 https://libjournal.uncg.edu/ijcp/article/viewFile/249/116

    White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves. These moves include the outward display of emotions such as anger, fear, and guilt, and behaviors such as argumentation, silence, and leaving the stress-inducing situation. These behaviors, in turn, function to reinstate white racial equilibrium.

    Robin DiAngelo

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  403. @AltanBakshi

    Interesting to see that the leadership of the Ismailis have been “bleached” over the last 3 generations.

    I wonder what makes the Khans favor those women of European heritage/phenotype over the Middle-Eastern/Indian ones.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  404. @sher singh

    The virtue of our women is quite high and never they have been raped by the Muslims unlike some others…

    There are about 10 million Mongols and there are about 20 million Sikhs in India, but there are hundreds of millions Mahayana Buddhists and there is less than 30 million Sikhs worldwide.

    It seems that your motives arise from envy, desire for revenge and hatred and not from true Dharma. Indians have now their own country, which they can build by their own hands, no matter what were the wrongs done in the past, but you desire somekind of deranged racial war against “whites,” and claim that its Dharma, and that my words that encourage kindness, temperance and modesty are not somehow Dharma! How deluded you are? You should drink less bhang, Britishers are out of your country, they can do no harm to you, you have won the struggle for independence, dont you understand that striving for revenge is not the way of the warrior? Warrior strikes against his true enemy so that he could protect his loved ones, and does not create new sources of conflict.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @sher singh
  405. songbird says:
    @sher singh

    If I have engaged in an excess of rhetoric, it is mainly to chide TF, for his continued obnoxious promotion of the Bengal famine myth, which is too much to take from invaders, who owe about 90% of their population to contributions your people made to them.

    Tell you what, if Indians stopped invading, left Europe, and increased the population of Europeans globally to about 10x, then I would certainly advocate setting aside a day as a holiday to celebrate their contributions.

  406. @sher singh

    Anyway, to Altan
    You’re a white lib using Buddhism to justify white power||
    Bengal became majority Muslim after 140 years of British rule
    Punjab in the 1920s after a famine & 70 years.

    Are you drunk or just mad? Theres no empire that I hate more than the British Empire, okay maybe America, but still my hatred should not shadow my judgement.

    I dont identify as white so how can I have white fragility? I just wrote that I would pass as a white in USA and UK, there are quite many Indians too who pass as white in those countries, like Nikky Haley, maybe Priti Patel too. But Im proud of my European heritage, and unlike you I dont have any post colonial or racial inferiority complexes towards other people.

    I defend peoples right to have their own countries and to rule their own countries, at least for most peoples, I wouldnt care what would happen to America or Sub Saharan Africa.

    Still British empire spoiled all good in the world, they did their best in retarding the Russias growth by denying the control of Bosborus straits and collapse of the Ottoman empire, they were responsible for the smuggling of opium and the opium wars, they gave Buddhist majority Chittagong Hill Tracts for Bangladesh, they brought Rohingya Muslims to Burma, they brought millions of Tamils to Sri Lanka, they caused the fall of my dear Qing Empire, which was practically perfect society before the first Opium war, oh well the list is endless, still you are a very silly Punjabi guy if you think that Im a fan of the British empire.

    And you cant deny that without British the Sikhs would have their own empire, and they wouldnt voluntarily give their country away, right? For some pan Indian superstate where they would have much less power.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @sher singh
  407. @AltanBakshi

    You’re not a Mongol||
    Mongol & Mongrel are two different words.

    Singhs have filled brothels of Punjab w/ Afghan-Persian Muslim women multiple times even in 47..

    India is land of the Gods, you have no presence there, meanwhile we’re blockading Delhi..
    All humanity is our loved ones, the Guru has sent us to rule with compassion, mercy and bliss.

    Those who stand in our way will be rewarded with a good death.
    Your concept of warriorship is flawed, and not in line with our philosophy.
    You have no clue what True Dharma is, in Kali Yuga that is Khalsa.
    Your words encourage slavery, white European.

    Warriors fight, Samsara is a divine play we bear no ill will toward anyone, we will destroy everyone.
    Mutt Asian-Whites are referred to as “Slavs” that’s why you fit in here||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    [MORE]

    ਆਯੁਧਬਿੱਦਯਾਕੋਅੱਭਯਾਸਹੁ।ਬਨਹੁਬੀਰਅਰਿਸਮੁਖਬਿਨਾਸ਼ਹੁ।
    ਜਗਤਪਦਾਰਥਸਗਰਪਾਵਹੁ।ਭੋਗਹੁਆਪਭਿਅਵਰਭੁਗਾਵਹੁ।੧੪।
    Practise the science of war (Ayudh Bidiya), become warriors and destroy whoever steps to you ! Distribute the goods of the world around, enjoy them and make others enjoy them as well.

    ਮਰਹੁਜੁੱਧਮਹਿਂਸੁਰਗਸਿਧਾਰਹੁ।ਸਹਿਕਾਮੀਸੁਖਸਕਲਬਿਹਾਰਹੁ।
    ਨਿਹਕਾਮੀਹੁਇਮੁਝਮੋਮੇਲ।ਪਰਹਿਨਜਨਮਮਰਨਕੋਗੈਲ।੧੫।
    In war if you shall die you will go to heaven. Those who do [good] action for their own good [sehkami], they will [still] receive great happiness. The ones who do [good] without any desire, they will be united with Me, they will not be placed in the birth and death cycle [reincarnation] again.

    ਕਰੋਸ਼ਨਾਨਨਾਮਅਰੁਦਾਨ।ਪ੍ਰੇਮਸਮੇਤਲਹਹੁਕੱਲਯਾਨ।
    ਬਿਦਤਖਾਲਸਾਪੰਥਭਵਿੱਖਯ।ਅਵਨੀਰਾਜਕਰਹਿਂਮਿਲਿਸਿੱਖਯ।੧੬।
    Bathe, recite the Name and give charity. The Khalsa Panth will expand in great numbers, all the Sikhs will get together and organize a Kingdom [raj] for the whole world.

    ਦਿਨਪ੍ਰਤਿਤੁਰਕਨਾਸ਼ਕੋਪ੍ਰਾਪਤਿ।ਬਚਹਿਂਜਿਰੰਕਹੋਹਿਂਲਹਿਂਆਪਤਿ।
    ਕੀਨੇਗਨਅਪਰਾਧਬਿਸਾਲਾ।ਤਿਨਕੋਫਲਹ੍ਵੈਹੈਇਨਕਾਲਾ।੧੭।
    Day by day the Turks(Muslim/Abrahamic) will be destroyed, those who remain will be extremely poor and will demise. They have committed great crimes [against humanity], and for these great crimes they shall be rewarded with death.

    ਅੰਗਸੰਗਮੁਝਕੋਨਿਤਜਾਨਹੁਂ।ਸਦਾਸਹਾਇਕਅਪਨੋਮਾਨਹੁਂ।
    ਨਿਤਪ੍ਰਤਿਗੁਰਬਾਣੀਅੱਭਯਾਸਹੁ।ਕੈਸ਼ਸਤ੍ਰਨਿਸਨਸ਼ੱਤ੍ਰੁਬਿਨਾਸ਼ਹੁ।੧੮।
    Recognize my presence by your side at all times, I am constantly protecting you [My Khalsa]. Always recite Gurbani, take weapons and destroy the enemies.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  408. @sher singh

    Mutt Asian-Whites are referred to as “Slavs” that’s why you fit in here||

    Thats a good one! Ha ha!

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  409. songbird says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    I finally figured the census thing out – it’s about the population of New York and elections. Maybe, the electoral college. Haven’t looked further into it, but it now seems much more reasonable to me.

  410. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I dont identify as white so how can I have white fragility? I just wrote that I would pass as a white in USA and UK, there are quite many Indians too who pass as white in those countries, like Nikky Haley, maybe Priti Patel too.

    Sadly the critical whiteness people like DiAngelo have all these concepts they will pull out like ‘white adjacent’, ‘internalized whiteness’, ‘model minority’ for non-white people who lack ‘authentic’ non-white identities and perspectives. Priti Patel, Rishi Sunak and all the other prominent Conservative ministers in the UK of South Asian descent get all this kind of abuse, ‘brown executioners’ and so on.

    I think one important thing is that ideas like ‘white fragility’ and DiAngelo’s schtick is aimed mainly at people who have already fully internalised liberal race blindness ideas and the spirit of the opening part of the US constitution (as you have been saying to Sher Singh). It seems to me it is heavily tailored to the US situation and context I don’t know how they would respond if they came across someone who rejected liberalism itself, knew what they were talking about, but wasn’t a US style white nationalist. Instant cancellation?

    Anyway I’ve been intrigued to see how they would deal with religiously based objections for a while because traditional religious worldviews seem to be something they can’t incorporate into their own identity politics one, but their anti-realism means they have no obvious arguments available against them.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  411. @sher singh

    White Fragility is a state in which even a minimum amount of racial stress becomes intolerable, triggering a range of defensive moves.

    Sati & honor-killing supporter quotes critical race theory book on white fragility. What new wonders shall the Karlin blog bring about?

  412. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Can any Englander here tell me what the hell goes in the head of the queen Elizabeth? Is she totally impervious to the total destruction to the traditional England that has happened under her “rule” and watch? Does she care at all, does she even notice?

    I’ve wondered about it but don’t like thinking about it because it is a melancholic subject, especially because she is head of the Anglican Church, seems a serious Anglican and her bishops have done some pretty wacky things to that church as well. It may be that she is surrounded by courtiers who in one way or another keep the extent of what is happening in the background.

    Another thing I have thought about myself (but never seen anyone else mention till your post earlier) is whether Western Europe could have gained longer term benefits, in terms of survival of people and culture, if Bolshevism/Leninism had actually spread into the area. I was thinking in the early 20s, as a result of the Soviet-Polish War going another way rather than post WW2 but I think the idea is similar.

  413. @AltanBakshi

    I don’t believe that she has much real authority one way or another, and thus is mindful to keep instead an impeccable legacy and sufficient distance from controversy to be seen as faultless(or as faultless as possible) by all. The best she can do in her position politically is to fund those who are in favor of her positions, and to do so discreetly, least she arouse the ire of anti-monarchists.

  414. @AltanBakshi

    I dont have any complex towards anyone.
    Dharmic rule is best and everyone deserves it.

    Your nationalistic beliefs are silly, Dharma is global.
    SHOW ME ONE COUNTRY TODAY THAT YOU EVEN CONSIDER 1% DHARMIC

    ARE THE POOR LOOKED AFTER? NO
    ARE WOMEN SAFE? NO
    ARE THE GODS RESPECTED? NO

    Sikh is a religion not a people.
    Why should Sikh philosophy not run shit?
    Show me one person on Earth who seriously objects to it.

    You’re bringing tribe (nation) into a context of Dharmic discourse.

    You’re the idiot who thinks Sikh = Brown Panjabi

    As far as the race stuff, if you can’t see it then who cares?
    You’re a peasant.

    Anyway I’ve been intrigued to see how they would deal with religiously based objections for a while because traditional religious worldviews seem to be something they can’t incorporate into their own identity politics one, but their anti-realism means they have no obvious arguments available against them.

    Dilution.
    Infiltration.
    Outright ignore it.

    Saam, Daan, Dandh, Bhed

    O no, it only works on the elite.
    One thing people here have trouble accepting, is we live in a liberal world.
    Once you get over it you can start doing something.

    Look, Altan if you Dharmic now’s time for solidarity||

    Here’s what leader of Sikh Forces is saying to gov:

    These are the Army of Nihang Singhs
    Who have burnt and looted Delhi 19 times
    The people of Delhi should understand
    This is a warning
    We have weapons, Government shouldn’t think they’re registered
    The demands of the farmers will be met
    The forces of Nihang Singhs are battle ready
    Mounted Warriors stand ready to surround and attack Delhi

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  415. @sher singh

    Dharmic rule is best and everyone deserves it.

    Nah.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  416. 128 says:
    @sher singh

    Lots of cool stories bro

    • Replies: @sher singh
  417. @Daniel Chieh

    These aren’t political positions but cultural customs, libfag.

    Dharmic Rule means with rightenousness and harmony
    ADharmic means opposite

    Similar to your mandate of heaven, has the french wife done you in?

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
  418. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Well, I get your point. But for the Ismaili the Day of Resurrection (Al Qaayamah) has already happened long time ago. They are already living in a world where Shariah has been abrogated. One of their Imams has announced it at Al Alamout before the Mongol Invasion. They are already saved by Divine Grace through their Imam’s guidance.

    Anyway, if someone wants to have full Islamic jurisprudence (fikh) as religious observances, then one would have other forms of Islam to follow, Wahhabism would be more appropriate. NIzari Ismaili are quite reformed and are certainly heretical from the mainstream Islamic point of view. Being heretics from the point of view of Salafis is actually a bonus from where I stand.

    And I like their idea of a God that is Transcendent and Immanent at the same time. That is beyond any explanation and still is closer to the heart of the Believer than his own blood that flows in this Believer’s veins.

    https://ismailignosis.com/2014/03/27/he-who-is-above-all-else-the-strongest-argument-for-the-existence-of-god/

    Ismaili are cool (just kidding).

    BTW, the Hashasheen trope is bogus, the low level Ismaili militants have probably been called Ahl Al Assass (The people of the fundamental [faith]) with Assassee as a singular leading to Assassin. And they probably didn’t use cannabis as a psychotropic (although they most certainly used something).

    Botom line: you should visit a Jamat Khana…

    🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  419. EldnahYm says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Indian incomes and life expectancy were stagnant because of population growth. India, like most of the world at the time was Malthusian.

  420. @128

    There’ll be many more||

    ਦੇਗਤੇਗ਼ਫ਼ਤਿਹ||

  421. @Dmitry

    Not even one resident in a post-Soviet country

    There are several people from Chechnya, Ingushettia and Dagestan still alive or recently dead, who would easily make that list and be THE oldest living persons in history.
    They have documents proving their birth but I suppose they are so old they can be judged too easy to falsify, particularly by biased/corrupt western organisations that make these adjudications.

    It would not exactly be surprising news if true…… it is known fact that above average proportion of people in North Caucasus live very old – by some distance more than other Muslim regions in the world. Sure, that does not necessarily mean “super-old” like 110+,but it does increase their chances.

    There was also one very old lady in Belarus who could have been the oldest person in history

    But forgetting about northern kavkaz peoples and viewing them ( for the purposes of my point) as an anomaly or not proper-Soviet ….. there is absolutely no reason why any Soviet person from anywhere in the Soviet Union and not just the South could not live extremely long lives. We have the extremes in USSR caused by alcoholism, areas of heavy industry, areas of negative climate climate and other reasons creating many extremes in low life expectancy…….. but Soviet culture has also generated many reasons for positive extremes in life expectancy, in rural and metropolitan areas, because of soviet ideas/practices in diet,lifestyle, physical/sporting/leasure activities starting from childhood far superior to anywhere else on the planet, immense cultural/intellectual stimulation to large sections of the people that are important to keeping old people healthy and so on.

    In 2030,2040 & 2050,I expect to see disproportionate number of oldest people in world dominated by those from USSR, people born during Lenin and Stalin time…. but with still less overall frequency of those over 100 compared to West.

  422. mal says:

    Russia created an interesting driverless (4+ autonomous level) truck and tested it on a smart road (circular highway in Moscow).

    It is a electric-hydrogen hybrid with cargo capacity of 1.5-3 tons, 258 hp from two electric motors, 250 km range on electric, 1,000 km range on electric + hydrogen, 40 min fast electric charge, 5 min to refill hydrogen, clean sheet driverless design with emergency remote drone operation capability.

    It is interesting and good that Russians are combining electric and hydrogen capabilities as it will allow them to bypass Euro-6 emissions regulations and also it is helpful for my vision of space program 🙂

    Key parameters:

    Технические характеристики EVO-1

    Грузоподъёмность: 1,5 – 3 тонны в зависимости от модели.
    Емкость батареи: LiFePo 36 кВтч
    Электродвигатели: инновационный синхронный электрический двигатель без постоянных магнитов.
    Адаптирован для использования водородных топливных элементов.
    Запас хода от одной зарядки без использования водородного топливного элемента: 250 км.
    Скорость зарядки от электрической сети: 40 минут («быстрая зарядка»).
    Скорость заправки водородом: 5 минут (увеличивает пробег до 1000 км).

    https://www.content-review.com/articles/51614/

    • Thanks: Ano4
  423. @Daniel Chieh

    Being against Sati & honor-killing means being pro feminist-liberalism

    If you’re against autonomy of religion & clan, then you’re for hegemony of liberalism & individualism.

    IOW, you’re gay daniel Chieh

  424. Hindus & Buddhists rekt.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  425. @Vishnugupta

    Partition happened because the moslems drove a hard bargain, not because the bongs wanted it. Jinnah himself was a late convert. Congress didn’t want it.

    But once Jinnah made his mind up, it forced Congress’ hand. The bongs didn’t have much choice in the matter from that moment, only to manage the fallout.

    Furthermore, even progressive icons like Ambedkar were strong proponents of separation. So it is simply a myth that it was only the Hindu hardliners who wanted it on the Indian side.

    I’m actually surprised that you are willing to embrace a common myth among leftists in India, namely that the two-nation theory was a British invention amd they were the drivers of the separation. The hand of the British was forced by domestic actors.

    Given the haphazard way they drew up the Curzon line in Bangladesh and later the Radcliffe line in Pubjab, it’s hard to argue their actions were either thought-out, planned and or competent.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @songbird
  426. @AaronB

    Glad to see that I continue to live rent-free in your head.

  427. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    In Russia, for example, vast amounts of information of the “political class” is being thrown onto the social media, by themselves, their friends and their family.

    However, when the US Treasury department announces its sanctions to “fight Russian oligarchs” – it was a copy-paste of the Forbes rich list for Russia. https://www.forbes.com/sites/igorbosilkovski/2018/01/30/treasury-departments-russias-oligarchs-list-is-copied-from-forbes

    America’s “advanced knowledge of the power structure in Russia” – built on the labour of causal journalism staff of Forbes Magazine.

    While technically, enormous information is freely available; to find the signal from the noise, requires “manual labour” by the investigator; and even when sanctioning powerful people (i.e. billionaires), US government is sometimes too lazy for the manual work required.

    and scraping is very easy. Especially, if facebook is in bed with you,

    In which case they wouldn’t need to scrape like an end user, but would access the databases.

    However, to find interesting information about a person from social media, would still require a manual (human) targeted look at this person and their contacts. I.e. a person would have to be seen as somehow interesting enough to expend the effort for a manual effort to study them and their contacts.

    are they doing internationally? Probably bringing their resources to bear, crushing nationalist political

    There is the example in Russia. For many years, it seemed like the government were trying to ignore nationalist groups, which had enough Darwin award winning self-confidence to create videos of their violence, and upload videos to scare the innocent teenagers discovering a nascent internet of that epoch.

    However, later, the government decided to crush them, and the nationalist groups were crushed in a very short time by the governments’ professionals.

    When the state and its professionals want to crush amateur citizens – it’s like a hippopotamus landing on a fly. A person can be crushed. But there are millions of flies, and hippopatus will be interested in some unusually annoying flies, but will always have to ignore the more average vast majority of us.

    listen to random phone conversations,

    Underappreciated feeling people, might want the idea that the government is secretly listening to them, as a secularized version of the past ages when man could hope that his innermost thoughts are being listened to by God, or at least the Devil.

    More depressing reality, is that likely nobody will be interested in you and your life, except as some indication of a statistical trend, whether now, or even after you die. For example, in my family, we have inherited boxes of letters and documents from dead great-grandparents . It seems like we shouldn’t lose their letters and documents, as it is contains such unique information about the peoples’ lives. But even we (descendants) cannot expend the effort to organize and study their lives, so seems unlikely anyone else ever will.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  428. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    You can scrape a lot from site in a targeted way. However, when there is scraping at scale, then the site (i.e. Facebook/Instagram) has ways usually to detect you (without manual behaviour patterns, etc).

    Of course, it’s possible that Facebook/Instagram would simply allow American government access to its databases, so there wouldn’t be any need for scraping in order for the government to access everyone’s information. But here is simple rationality question for internet users: why would you trust Mark Zuckerberg with storing your personal life data (as you do when you input friends and photos of yourself into his websites), more than the American government? Even if for some reason Mark Zuckerberg denies government access to your information, why would you trust it more with Mark Zuckerberg?

    Social media sites could be viewed as an informal part of America’s state capacity, in terms of potential access to your information. But a non-idiot people should be aware that the information is potentially public, whenever they update their profiles. Just as in real public spaces of our ancestors, in the village square, people can overhear your conversation (and even in the 19th century village, government spies might be listening to your conversation, if your were somehow important to them). At the same time, as always, the vast of people are not interesting, important, or annoying to authorities, enough, for anyone to manually expend effort to study them.

  429. Dmitry says:
    @songbird

    Maybe it’s different in the West (due to the large numbers of real Indians), but an interest and obsession about India and its culture, is not that uncommon with non-Indian people.

    For example, when I was a child, I remember going to some free exhibition and lecture about Indian religion, culture and languages (maybe it was organized from the Hare Krishna people, who were quite a popular religion where we lived). They burn incense sticks for us, show us about Indian sweets and recipes, and we had some activities like drawing some giant words of Sanskrit.

    I remember this as a pleasant maybe one hour of learning about India, and seeing the passion for Indian religion of the exhibitors. If I recall, all these Indophiles (which were showing us even about Indian sweets) were white people.

    In terms of idealization, especially of spiritual aspects of culture – we often do it to those cultures most distant to our own heritage. With religion, it’s common for people who feel like they are in emotional nadir, to choose a religion that is most distant from their current life, and the spirituality of their parents.

    When Christianity first appeared in Europe, of course, it had such an alien Middle Eastern exoticism, and allowed its converts to radically re-orient themselves away from their traditions and ancestral gods. In this sense new converts felt like they were somehow “reborn”. In modern Europe, there is now fascination of certain (particularly middle class) demographics with Eastern religions like Hare Krishna, Transcendental Meditation or Buddhism, if they don’t go for something more esoteric and “only for cognoscenti” like Bahai. At the same time, conversely, for people from China or Japan, there might be a similar sense of excitement when they study or convert to Abrahamic religions.

  430. @Ano4

    I have visited their places in Gujarat, and I dont care about their real or imagined use of drugs. The Assasins were truly a dangerous and murderous sect and modern Nizaris are followers of the same religion and Imam as the Assasins were.

    At least Wahhabis are sincere, who knows what secrets Ismailis have?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  431. @sher singh

    Those Ambedkarite Buddhists are strange folks, they actually are not Buddhists from a Buddhist viewpoint, but heretics, still we tolerate and are very loosely affiliated with them. You know, you too have those Sikh-Hindu hybrids or something?

    The writer of Indian constitution Baba Saheb Ambedkar was a socialist and pacifist, who made his own version of Buddhism so that he could fight against social injustice and Hindu caste system. There are millions of Ambedkarite Buddhists in India.

    Buddhists normally dont suffer from pacifism in regards of Muslim threat.

  432. @Thulean Friend

    Are you thick? No matter of British motivations, if Pakistan and Bangladesh would be united with India, there would not be just 200 million Muslims in India but something like 600 million, dont you understand how unsustainable such Muslim minority would be? Numerous Muslims moved out from UP and Bihar to Pakistan. Bangladesh had 22 or 28% of Hindus before the partition, and about 13% in Western Pakistan, they would still have a Muslim supermajority in united India, but states like UP, Bihar and West Bengal would have much much higher percentage of Muslims, Delhi could probably be a Muslim majority city. There would be no hope for India where 35-40% of population would be Muslim, especially when the Muslims have higher fertility rate. Many districts of current Indian Punjab were Muslim majority, now after partition Muslims are a small minority in Punjab.

    https://southasiablog.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/religious-map-of-punjab-before-partition/ The writer of this blog makes a stupid mistake with the religious demographics of Lahaul and Spit district of Himachal, but the rest of his info is quote good.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  433. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    At least Wahhabis are sincere, who knows what secrets Ismailis have?

    Wahhabis are dumb, murderous scum. Braindead zombies who have been created and promoted to turn Islamic Oumma into a global raving mad maniac outcast. They have done more damage to Muslims than whatever external enemies these Muslims ever had.

    Nizaris are a smart, wealthy, cosmopolitan community with deep historical roots and high flying elite connections. They are building successful businesses, practicing philanthropy and educating next generations as highly paid professionals, while still caring about teaching these kids the literary classics of the long gone Islamic Golden Age.

    [MORE]

    Did you know that the Al Azhar University has been built by the Fatimid Ismaili Caliphs, that Cairo foundation was their feat?

    https://images.app.goo.gl/1349yKk4BFxxbwcP6

    Between the Wahhabi Islamic State Raqqa and Ismaili Nizari Hunza Valley the choice is easy to make.

    https://im-media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/styles/sourced/s3/2019-04/4D7206BA-00DC-456D-871A-F2496080FD55.jpg?itok=XCoLn_Jf

    I don’t know what causes your hostility towards these people, but you might want to consider this: since the fall of Al Alamut, which library the Mongol warriors happily torched, the Nizari Ismaili hardly killed anyone. And yet, here they are: building museums, successful businesses, research institutions and looking forward to a better future.

    Where do you think the filthy Wahhabi dogs – whose sect did not even exist prior to the fifteenth century AD – will be in a couple hundred years? I sincerely hope that they will all end up in the garbage dump of history: cursed and forgotten as they rightly deserve according to their evil deeds.

    And I sincerely hope that Nizari Ismaili will be building Jamat Khanas on Mars (Cairo = Qahira = the City of victorious planet Mars).

    TL;DR: Wahhabi bad, Ismaili good!

    🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  434. @Ano4

    Yes Wahhabi are extremely bad but they are openly bad. Werent they founded in the late 18th century? Some claim that Ibn Taimiyyah was philisophically their precursor, but Taimiyyah still believed in the cult of walis and holy tombs and stuff, so he would have been a heretic from the wahhabi viewpoint.

    After the fall of Alamut Nizaris were quiet for centuries but they were quite active in the politics of Qajar Iran.

    Why the British Queen so often looks malevolent in photos? Like 2/3 of the time if you look closely, like she had lack of kindness in her spirit or something? Sometimes we should trust our gut feeling and not what everyone(media) else says.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  435. @joniel

    Pelmeni conspicuously missing from the list. 🙂

    Also, the idea cold beetroot soup could be Baltic in origin is laughable. It’s utterly alien to Baltic cuisine. I grew up believing it was a sort of Soviet WMD.

    • LOL: Ano4
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  436. @AaronB

    “American self sacrifice,” so you are neoconservative too? Rhymes like a good poetry.

    For the vast majority of its subjects Rome didnt offer universal citizenship for centuries, and Jews didnt get the full citizenship even when emperor Caracalla gave it to the all the rest of the subjects of the empire in 212. For some odd and unfathomable reason that we moderns cant understand no more, all the Jews of the empire were forced to pay the “Jewish tax,” or Fiscus Judaicus. No matter if the emperor was from Severian dynasty, like Caracalla, or one of the “good emperors” like Marcus Aurelius or Traianus, or Hadrianus. Only time when the Jews didnt have such laws were during the two year reign of the emperor Julian the apostate, in the years 361-363 or something.

    Ps.
    Its bullshit to claim that Americans have self sacrificed themselves for the benefit of others. Few empires have gotten it so easy as America. Their most bloody conflict ever has been their ancient civil war. Their sacrifices have been laughably minuscule.
    But without Russia the countries like Uzbekistan and Tajikistan would be literally hellholes like Afghanistan. Without Russia it could be very possible that Georgia and Armenia now would be Muslim majority countries. But without America European countries would still have their own culture and not this plastic and americanized bastard faux culture.

    • Replies: @AP
  437. @Dmitry

    It’s a shame that your intimate knowledge of the instagram accounts of Russian oligarchs’ nubile daughters is wasted on us. You should be employed by the CIA.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  438. @Dmitry

    I have never met anyone of my generation with an interest in India, although several people from boomer and older generations.

    Foreign (extra-European) interests in my experience are almost always Japan/China (men) and South America/Korea (extroverted/introverted women respectively).

  439. @Haruto Rat

    Lithuanians have quite different culture from Latvians and Estonians, many of their native foods are more similar with White Russian and Polish recipes.

    Chicken Kiev is purely Russian invention, actually it was invented by some Russian cook of the Imperial times.

    How Nalysniki differ from Blini? Drainiki and Borsch are as Russian as they are Ukrainian or White Russian, maybe Ukrainians have cooked it more often.
    Plov or pilaf is quite universal food, even Indians enjoy it. I am not a big fan, but its okay.

  440. @Thulean Friend

    Did those benefits occur as a result of Japanese colonisation, or in spite of Japanese colonisation?

  441. @Coconuts

    I have lived quite long in Russia and in couple other European countries, and in those countries people vaguely know that European derived people self identify as white in America, and that they themselves would be whites in America. Its just that its quite pointless to identify strongly with white identity in countries like Poland, Italy, Hungary, Russia etc. They have their own unique identities with a real history and shared experiences.

    Anyway I’ve been intrigued to see how they would deal with religiously based objections for a while because traditional religious worldviews seem to be something they can’t incorporate into their own identity politics one, but their anti-realism means they have no obvious arguments available against them.

    I think that they would just blandly say couple nice words and qickly change the subject or something, at least with the Buddhism, that at the moment still enjoys a good image among western liberals.

    Actually H.H. Dalai Lama once said couple years ago that countries like Germany belong to Germans and its okay to take refugees but in the end they should go back, after that there were numerous made up defamatory articles about His Holiness in western newspapers. So after that His Holiness has kept his mouth regarding the issue. As long as we have unsolved issues with Chinese Communist party, we sadly as a religion are dependent on others good will. Especially the Tibetan refugee community and monasteries in exile in India. But really there was a half year period when out of nowhere there came numerous slanderous made up news articles about His Holiness.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dalai-lama-europe-refugee-crisis-immigration-eu-racism-tibet-buddhist-a8537221.html?amp

    “I think Europe belongs to the Europeans.”
    H.H. Dalai Lama

    The news articles later got even crazier, there was one other Buddhist leader with a sex scandal, and whose school is unaffiliated with Dalai Lamas school. So His Holiness was accused of enabling such behaviour in Buddhist communities by being silent about the issue. Thats like accusing Swedish Lutherans because of Catholic scandals!

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/dalai-lama-sexual-abuse-allegations-buddhist-teachers-assault-a8540076.html?amp
    https://amp.dw.com/en/dalai-lama-admits-he-knew-about-buddhist-teachers-sexual-abuse/a-45507680

    The only basis for accusations against HHDL is this according the DW and the Independent: “Twenty-five years ago… someone mentioned about a problem of sexual allegations” at a conference for western Buddhist teachers in Dharamshala, a hill town in northern India, he added.
    In all likelihood those western teachers are not affiliated with our school, it was just a conference, His Holiness has even arranged conferences with Jewish and Japanese Buddhists, or with Sufi Muslims.

    Thankfully such slanderous news discontinued after His Holiness stopped speaking about the refugee and immigration issue in the west. Still a sad reminder how moribund the Christianity is in Europe. In the 1950s there would be numerous men of the church speaking against this current madness.

    But theres a clearly some kind of central organ which gives commands or orders to major new agencies.

    Sher Singh dont you support secularism in Pakistan or Bangladesh or do you think its cool and justified that those countries are Islamic Sharia states? According to your deranged logic they should be.

  442. @AltanBakshi

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3619322/amp/Dalai-Lama-says-Germany-Arab-country-warns-Europe-taken-migrants.html
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-consent/?next_url=https%3a%2f%2fwww.washingtonpost.com%2fnews%2fworldviews%2fwp%2f2016%2f05%2f31%2fthe-dalai-lama-says-too-many-refugees-are-going-to-germany%2f%3foutputType%3damp&outputType=amp

    “Germany cant become an Arab country”
    “There are too many refugees in Europe”
    H.H. Dalai Lama

    Oh well I am not going to say more, but this stuff is very mild in comparison to what we hear when His Holiness speaks among Tibetans and Mongols.

  443. @Astuteobservor II

    I remember hearing a a story about some tourists in Japan who went in to a restaurant/bar that wasn’t really supposed to be for non-natives. They were treated politely, but when they were billed they got the message that they weren’t supposed to come back. I thought that was the perfect example of how ‘polite racism’ should work in practice (and of course, it would came from Japan).

  444. @Daniel Chieh

    Sati is based though. Death to femoids.

    • Disagree: Thulean Friend
    • Troll: AltanBakshi
  445. @Kent Nationalist

    Foreign (extra-European) interests in my experience are almost always Japan/China (men) and South America/Korea (extroverted/introverted women respectively).

    Why South America for women? In my experience women just want the best place to take Instagrammable photographs.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  446. Ano4 says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Looks like someone actually used the Instagram to identify Putin’s bastard daughter.

    (There are English subtitles)

    I don’t know who’s paying these young “journalists” (Khodorkovsky?) but the fact that they are now able to film these videos about the Putin’s inner circle are an indication that VVPs power is decreasing. Some 5 years ago this would have been unthinkable of.

    Also:

    https://www.newsru.com/russia/28nov2020/aldoga.html

    I think it is a subtle hint to Putin that his close circle are fair game now. My bet is he will retire for health reasons before the end of his presidential term.

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  447. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Why the British Queen so often looks malevolent in photos?

    Old women often become somewhat mean-spirited. The Aga Khan though always shines with happiness on every picture.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/world/canada/trudeau-aga-khan.html

    BTW:

    https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/11/24/remember-justin-trudeaus-trip-to-the-aga-khans-private-island-joe-bidens-new-climate-czar-john-kerry-was-there-too.html

    😉

  448. Ano4 says:
    @Another German Reader

    The Aga Khan family have been completely integrated into the Western globalized elite. They have been basically British Empire ‘s aristocracy for more than a hundred fifty years by now. Their folkloric style is for the masses of their followers. But they are much more at home with the Davos crowd than in some Pamiri village.

    Speaking of their women:

    https://www.khaliya.net/

    They are choosing from the smart female fractions as truly rich and powerful men should do.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  449. @Ano4

    The Aga Khan family have been completely integrated into the Western globalized elite.

    Doesnt ring alarm bells?

    But they are much more at home with the Davos crowd than in some Pamiri village.

    They are a culturally Persian family from the Iran proper and most of their affluent diaspora followers, the Khojas are from Sindh or Gujarat. Maybe 10% of Ismailis are from Gilgit, Pamirs and Nuristan.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  450. @AltanBakshi

    As long as we have unsolved issues with Chinese Communist party, we sadly as a religion are dependent on others good will.

    Unresolved issues of what kind?

    I’ve taken time to look into and debunk claims of “Uighur Genocide”, China being evil to Hong Kong and Taiwan, but I never really fully understood what was going on with Tibet besides the fact that the Falun Gong cult was a criminal and dangerous CIA 5th column to destabilize China, which got cracked down on hard with good reason.

    This seems a bit strange to me because you seem to be pro-China, although you don’t like the CCP?

    Also, who is “we” exactly?

    Although you’ve stated that your ancestry is mixed and you’re clearly committed to Buddhism, what ethnic/racial/national heritage are you most committed to?

    Just curious (feel free to ask in return if you’re interested, although I think it’s clear that I’m Serb through and through, although I unfortunately live in the diaspora out of the fatherland and ancient Serb lands).

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  451. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Even as he ages, I think that Putin looks like Yul Brynner, especially now that he’s getting a bit thin on top. 🙂

    • Replies: @Ano4
  452. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    And without America, Iraq would still have it’s large and ancient Christian community.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  453. AaronB says:

    According to some here, America is ruled by a hostile elite, who imports non Whites because they hate Whites.

    They point to China as a country with an elite that supports its population.

    But China already has what American elites want – a docile and submissive population willing to work insanely long hours for little pay in poor conditions.

    Why would China import Mexicans? Chinese workers are willing to put up with worse conditions, for less pay.

    The idea that Chinese elites don’t import foreigners because they care about their population is one of the saddest fantasies of the alt right. In reality, Chinese elites ruthlessly exploit their submissive population. Conditions in China’s factories are worse than what Mexicans experience in America. Simply, China already have what American elites dream of.

    Chinese elites use nationalism to deflect anger away from class inequality and towards an outside target. American elites use racial conflict to deflect anger away from class inequality. One of the saddest fantasies of the alt right is that Chinese elite promote nationalism because they care about their population. Once American elites achieve their goal of a docile population willing to work in poor conditions, one imagines they too will use nationalism as a tool.

    I say sad, because the dream of a friendly elite is a worthy one. Only, it cannot be. All elites exploit their populations. By not understanding reality, you set yourself up for easy exploitation. Your fantasies can be exploited in ways you don’t realize.

    By holding China up as a model, this site works towards the elite agenda. The more people think Chinese conditions should be recreated in America, the happier American elites will be. That is the endgame – a Chinese-like population of docile and submissive workers willing to work long hours for little pay in poor conditions.

    By stoking racial strife, this website plays directly into the elite agenda. Some articles here discuss class inequality, but the majority are for the purpose of stoking racial strife. Western elites have always stoked racial strife to deflect class anger. Traditionally, it has been Jews, but now it involves many racial groups, all hating and fighting each other, distracted from noticing elite exploitation.

    This site stokes hatred of jews and Blacks. The MSM stokes hatred of Whites. They are two hands working together.

    Of course, people on this site will think I am merely trying to deflect anger away from Jewish crimes, and nothing I saw will change anything 🙂

    The alt right will be unable to see how this site plays fully into the elite agenda.

    I do not say these things in order to change anything – the people will always be fools, and history will always take its pre-determined course. I do not believe in free will. We are slaves to passion, abd will do as we cannot help doing.

    But it is with delicious amusement that one can see the follies of mankind 🙂

  454. Congratulations Copenhagen, which has decided to purge cancerous car culture in favor of walkable spaces. The Copenhagen municipal council recently voted on replacing the central Tivoli district and making it ecological.

    Amsterdam remains the best city in the world, but Copenhagen is a close second. Both are leading the way in bullying cars out of existance. The future spells bicycles, public transportation and walkable, green neighbourhoods.

    The urban hellscape of US cities served as the biggest urban planning disaster of the 20th century. Since the US was the dominant power, it unfortunately meant the wholesale destruction of urban spaces. Let us hope that the world moves on from that nightmare. Copenhagen can serve as a leading light.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @AP
  455. @AltanBakshi

    You’re making an elementary mistake. You’re confusing a dispassionate analysis with the intents of the writer. That partition was not due to the British does not mean I’d wished to prevent it. It’s simply a factual statement.

    I assumed these two disparate concepts would be elementary to understand and separate but apparently this is beyond your comprehension 🙂

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  456. @AaronB

    No doubt Daniel Chieh will tell us there is no way Australia would have been friends with China anyways, so its all ok.

    I find him to be reasonable on most topics, even if I largely disagree with him. But as soon as the discussion turns to China, he instantely transform into a stiff automaton.

    It doesn’t seem to matter what China does, it is always the correct move. Even when China objectively lost face/standing, he will try to resuscitate it by claiming “it was fated/doomed” anyway. A remarkable demonstration of how blind nationalism robs someone the vocalbulary of criticism in the most basic sense.

    That said, on Australia I find myself in rare agreement with him. Australia’s moves against China were unnecessary, spiteful and frankly submissive to US diktat. Even a broken clock is right twice a day etc.

  457. @AaronB

    The chinese elites make their country a better place. Their actual aim is to improve chinese lives. While lining their pockets.

    What the western elites want is the same kind of power as the chinese elites, without the drive to make other westerners living better lives. Pocketing all gains.

    If typical Zionists are as smart as you, how in the hell did USA get taken over. This is puzzling. You all read like retards. Besides woo, non of you show intelligence, just a dumb persistence on repeat.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  458. @AP

    What do you think of the chinese theory that all the wars in the middle east is to stop euro expansion against the dollar? If I remember correctly, EU was vehemently against the invasion, USA went ahead anyway.

    • Replies: @AP
  459. AP says:
    @Thulean Friend

    US cities are “hellscapes” due to populations, not necessarily poor planning. Would Copenhagen be as nice if it had Detroit’s exact demographics? The northern third of Chicago is great, for example, certainly better than much of Paris.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @songbird
  460. AP says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Don’t know enough about that aspect of it, to comment. AFAIK the Iraq invasion was motivated by an alliance of those seeking plunder (Dick Cheney and various business interests he was tied to) and those wanting to wipe out a nascent threat to Israel (neocons). The Viking ravages and the “Carthaginians” working in tandem. Iraq’s religious minorities, particularly its Christians, were collateral damage.

  461. AaronB says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    The Chinese elites aim to become wealthier and more powerful, like all elites. Unicorns dont exist.

    If they were benevolent, they would not ruthlessly exploit their population but provide good working conditions, good pay, and reasonable hours.

    Chinese elites have the kind of population American elites are trying to import. So they use this population to increase their own wealth and power. At the same time, the Chinese population is getting wealthier from an extremely low base, so they are satisfied – for the time being.

    Instead of fairy tales, one can see an objective process at work similar to the one that underlies capitalism. People pursuing their selfish ends leads, for a while, to the common good.

    Still, right now conditions for Chinese are a million times worse than for Americans. To adopt the Chinese model, Americans would have to have a population similar to the Chinese- which the elites are working around the clock to create.

    However, the average American is already ten times better off than the average Chinese. So adopting the Chinese model would involve worse quality of life for the average American and more wealth for the elite.

    The average Chinese is getting wealthier, but he is starting from a very low base. Still, this sensation of forward momentum keeps him satisfied for now.

    The average American lives much better than the average Chinese, but from such a high base, he is stagnating or slightly reversing, leading to dissatisfaction. There is, at this level, nowhere else yo to, except perhaps a UBI.

    But only a fool would conclude the Chinese system benefits its people more – it merely provides forward momentum towards what Americans take for granted. Even though the average American is stagnating, the system objectively provides him with a better quality of life.

    Progrss towards American standards creates the illusion – in fools – of a system that benefits the average person more, by ignoring the fact that the American system already delivers what the Chinese is progressing towards.

    But the elites are no fools. They will happily exploit your dreams to make themselves richer and give you a worse quality of life.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  462. AP says:
    @Ano4

    Yul Brynner had no Jewish descent. He was mixed Swiss-German, Russian, and Buryat. He is buried at a Russian Orthodox monastery in France.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @AltanBakshi
  463. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Unresolved issues of what kind?

    I try to explain this quickly and shortly, sorry for the grammatical errors.
    Mao made 17 point agreement with the Tibetans, but later broke it and started a violent collectivization of the Tibet, you know the basic commie stuff, Dalai Lama was forced to escape from the country and established a government in exile in India. 17 point agreement was wonderful on paper, but currently the Tibetans and Dalai Lama are okay if its not reinstated, they just want cultural autonomy. The relations couldnt be mended during the madness of the Cultural revolution, but even after that the ChiComs are incapable of admitting that they broke the agreement and not His Holiness. Its understandable why Mao did so, for the Dalai Lama figures have been religiously and politically paramount figures in the Tibetan and Mongolian society. Even now 99% of Tibetans are very religious and think of Dalai Lama as their true leader, which leads to some problems. Most Dalai Lamas monasteries cant operate freely in Tibet proper, without surveillance and periodical silly accusations of separatism etc, so most monks escape to India to continue their studies in monasteries in exile in India. But the problem is that most laypersons are in Tibet and cant directly support the monasteries, so they are dependent financially on the goodwill of Indian government and western benefactors. Because of that many Tibetan Buddhists cant voice their concerns about this current bullshit as openly as they could. Still His Holiness has said more against this modern madness than any western religious or political leader, even though he is not a westerner.

    ChiComs just want to save their face, and cant admit that they were wrong and practically forced Dalai Lama to escape from the country and broke the 17 point agreement, so theres a long on going political play between Tibetans in exile and ChiComs. Which would be wonderful if it could be solved.

    This seems a bit strange to me because you seem to be pro-China, although you don’t like the CCP?

    Also, who is “we” exactly?

    Things are not so simple, CCP has improved dramatically, but there is still political baggage left from the Maos era. All members of communist party are required to be atheists, there are some who silently are not, but still its quite an obstacle for Buddhists to achieve high level political positions in the Chinese society.

    “We” as we the Buddhists or Tibetan Buddhists.

    Although you’ve stated that your ancestry is mixed and you’re clearly committed to Buddhism, what ethnic/racial/national heritage are you most committed to?

    I dont think racially, I dont have a need to think racially, I think myself as a Rossiyane, both sides of my family have had more or less connection with the lands of the former Russian empire, also there has been for hundreds of years other people than ethnic Russians that have identified with the Russian state or civilization, still there is one European ethnicity that I identify… Like some European nobles of the 18th century I have couple identities that I identify with, without any conflict or confusion. But if there would be a war and I would be forced to chooce my first allegiance would be to Buddhism and then for Russia(theres another country after that). Majority of my relatives live in Russia after all.

    • Thanks: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  464. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Given the haphazard way they drew up the Curzon line in Bangladesh and later the Radcliffe line in Pubjab, it’s hard to argue their actions were either thought-out, planned and or competent.

    One of the strangest beliefs of people from the Third World is that Europeans cleverly (or ineptly, depending on the version) caused all the ethnic strife that they experience today.

    There are endless versions to the story. In India, people strangely claim that the British invented the caste system. Or in Rwanda, that Belgians invented Hutsi and Tutu. But what all the stories seem to have in common is that the borders were drawn in some uncommonly bad way, ignoring all reason. As one African explained it to me: “There were kingdoms.” (ha!)

    For my part, I cannot believe that any of you people ever looked at a regional-ethnic map. There are multifold ethnic islands within nations. There are Gulf Arabs claiming the coast of Iran because there were fishermen there. There are gradients. There is not a straight line in the whole world. God could not have drawn a map that would have prevented strife.

  465. @AaronB

    According to some here, America is ruled by a hostile elite, who imports non Whites because they hate Whites.

    I think its more because of neurotic fear, they fear that something like new Hitler could arise if there would be an ethnic supermajority with a strong cohesion. No clear majority means no mass cohesion and no mass ethnic solidarity in the society, such state of affairs makes a new Hitler impossibility.

    Im not sure, but I think its one reason among multiple ones. Another reason and maybe more important is that liberalism tends to lead to an atomized and hyper individualistic society, where old identities dont matter as much, so people dont resist as strongly large demographic changes as they would have 50 or 100 years ago.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @AaronB
  466. A123 says:
    @AP

    To give credit where credit is due, Detroit had relatively few problems with the Fascist Stormtroopers of Antifa in comparison to other Blue Cities.

    When the rumors about potential gatherings began… the black leadership of the mostly black Detroit Police Department started issuing long arms, shotguns, significant quantities of live ammo, and body bags for the dead. Regardless of whether it was wide spread rumor or actual occurance, it worked. The majority of the white agitators of Antifa chose to go elsewhere.

    Antifa primarily beats the system where the Blue City “opposition” handicaps itself with restrictive Rules of Engagement. Places like St. Louis and Portland have pro-Antifa city attorneys that cut the rioters loose every morning. That is much more appealing than Detroit where the police have AR-15’s and a mixed load out of Anti Personnel and Armor Piercing rounds.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @AP
  467. songbird says:
    @AP

    It’s an interesting philosophical question, whether the elites would have allowed the black takeover of cities without the highways being obstacles to prevent them from walking freely about, from black areas to white ones, and without the highways to allow for white flight to the suburbs.

  468. @songbird

    Liberals : Third World is undeveloped because of constant ethnic and/or religious strife.

    Also Liberals: The only effect of synthetically created multiculturalism in the West will be improved cuisine

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  469. AaronB says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    If typical Zionists are as smart as you, how in the hell did USA get taken over. This is puzzling. You all read like retards. Besides woo, non of you show intelligence, just a dumb persistence on repeat

    The expected response.

    But consider, if your premises lead to absurd conclusions, perhaps its time to reconsider your premises.

    You admit you cannot explain the behavior of American elites based on your assumptions. It appears stupid and foolish to you.

    I am not a member of any elite, but I have been around very successful people my whole life. While hardly infallible, they dont get there by being fools.

    You think American elites moved manufacturing to China for short term gain and long term ruin? Ha. By the 90s, progress in automation had made manufacturing a shrinking sector. And it was clear this trend was only accelerating. Something had to be done.

    There was no future growth in manufacturing for advanced economies, and any advanced economy that continued to rely on manufacturing would contract. Advanced economies needed to shift to a different basis.

    At the same time, China was not an advanced economy, and could grow through manufacturing, since it was starting from such a low base. However, trends in automation have not spared China, and today if I am not mistaken manufacturing is only about 20% of the Chinese economy, and set to shrink.

    China has reached the same quandary advanced economies had before, without however reaching the same level of wealth.

    This is a problem the world will have to face.

    The chinese elites make their country a better place

    Yes, this forward momentum is why the Chinese are, for the time being, satisfied with their exploitation.

    And why fools like you think the Chinese system should be implemented in America.

    But the American system has already accomplished what the Chinese system is aiming for. There is nowhere else to go.

    Only a fool would prefer the sensation of progress to having already reached the goal.

    Forward movement for America isn’t backwards towards a shrinking manufacturing sector, but towards things like UBI.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Beckow
  470. @songbird

    One of the strangest beliefs of people from the Third World is that Europeans cleverly (or ineptly, depending on the version) caused all the ethnic strife that they experience today.

    Its a stupid belief, but many western liberals also believe that those evil colonialists purposefully draw the borders in the worst possible way. To me it seems that the source of many idiotic beliefs are western leftist intellectuals.

    Still the India-Bangladesh border was pure madness before the enclave swaps between those two countries.

    • Replies: @songbird
  471. @AaronB

    Yep, more of the same dumb persistence. On repeat. You really should learn from thulean and woo. Tell your co workers try to at least make it interesting.

    You know, even a dead clock is right twice a day, how do you feel about being wrong always?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  472. @AltanBakshi

    I wouldn’t categorize USA as a liberal society. It is just goes to show how powerful college ed is at brainwashing and MSM at propagating a message. When these two conditions are met, continue for a few decades, we get the current USA and western Europe.

    Control of these two are paramount imo.

  473. @AaronB

    While most of this is your regularly scheduled nonsense, I actually generally agree with this part(notwithstanding that it contrasts with your typical prattle).

    I say sad, because the dream of a friendly elite is a worthy one. Only, it cannot be. All elites exploit their populations.

    There are different levels of exploitation and there are considerations of the benefits of stationary versus mobile bandits – but ultimately, its always worthwhile to give selfishness a significant standing in the considerations of any group. As in most things, we see this in biology, where mutualism can happen but parasitic behavior is much more common – and its not uncommon for mutualistic relationships in biology to become parasitic(and occasionally, I suppose, the opposite can happen).

  474. @Thulean Friend

    I’m not much of a Chinese nationalist at all(I’ve called the CCP cancer a few times and Chinese messaging as cringe). I’m much more of an anti-Hindoo chupatzphere, which is happily a creed shared far and wide by many wonderful people who’ve experienced the joys of Indian internet commentators.

  475. @AltanBakshi

    This is interesting. As even a PBS documentary showed that CIA got Dalai Lama out of Tibet in an attempt to ferment separatism in Tibet china.

    What was the 17 points agreement and how did Mao break it? Would love to read more.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  476. songbird says:
    @Dmitry

    America’s “advanced knowledge of the power structure in Russia” – built on the labour of causal journalism staff of Forbes Magazine.

    I think intelligence services are broadly incompetent and lacking in imagination. Much of what they do is to read foreign newspapers and summarize them. So , you will have an agent embedded in an embassy somewhere, and they will all be worrying about what nefarious plots he is working, but mostly he is just struggling to read their newspapers with the aid of a foreign language dictionary. Mostly they are just a bunch of bureaucrats, but it is still a lot of resources that they control. And, in the West, they are probably more ideologically motivated as a whole, against nationalists than against Russian oligarchs.

    [MORE]

    For example, in my family, we have inherited boxes of letters and documents from dead great-grandparents

    You are lucky! I wish I had such things. For my part, I’ve done some genealogical research and mean to share it with my relatives, but it is a lot of work to organize it and much of it seems very boring, if I try to write it out, in an organized way – the sources being mostly not interesting things, and few and far between.
    ——-

    Hippies have a strange spiritual attraction to the Orient, but I have generally perceived this as being more tilted to Buddhist countries, rather than the land that Buddha came from. And I don’t think a hippy would be following the politics of a certain country on the other side of the world very closely. Hippies seem to be somewhat disengaged from politics. It seems to me that there is something very personal about his attraction to India. Something that is just a notch too high to even be explained by a romantic relationship.

    At the same time, conversely, for people from China or Japan, there might be a similar sense of excitement when they study or convert to Abrahamic religions.

    Japanese and to a lesser extent Chinese seem to have an odd, though mostly very superficial, fascination with Christianity. For example, there is the famous anime Neon Genesis Evangelion, and John Woo (though he is a Christian, I believe) seems to have a notable aesthetic fascination with churches, in his movies.

  477. @Daniel Chieh

    Imagine the devastation Chinese could cause on their internet if the CCP were to smash the Great Firewall? It would be like the Indian chutzpahsphere but with more intelligent and cogent arguments.

    I bet the West would implement its own firewall to counter this Yellow Peril, under the excuse of preventing foreign meddling.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  478. @Thulean Friend

    Tyst nu you fake Swede!

    Swedes are one the worst idiots ever to exist, to spoil their picturesque and pristine country by taking all the recluses of the world. If Olof Palme would see what the policies started by him have made to Sweden.

    You’re making an elementary mistake. You’re confusing a dispassionate analysis with the intents of the writer. That partition was not due to the British does not mean I’d wished to prevent it. It’s simply a factual statement.

    You are correct I made an elementary mistake.

    The British separated Pakistan from India haphazardly, thats true, but one motive was to reward their old and loyal Muslim league buddies, who werent as independency minded as the Congress. So I think that there were officials and bureaucrats in the British administration who supported the idea of separate Pakistan. The borders followed in many areas old administrative borders of the British Raj. Like the borders of Sindh, or the whole eastern side of Bangladesh.

    Thulean Friend please change your name to Uttarakuru Friend or something.

  479. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Eh, Chinese nationalists can be pretty low quality too. Imagine the commentator “d dan” en masse, but with worse English.

    The great worldwide firewalls to prevent every thread from turning into interminable kholhol arguments between Chinese and Indian nationalists is pretty funny to imagine though.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  480. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Liberals have a relationship with Africa, much like they have with blacks in America. It is to encourage them to think that they have no agency and to rob them of the pride that comes from self-help.

    In the case of India though, I think it is mainly myths that Indians invented and tell themselves. Some are true-believers. Other times, I think it was a cynical ploy, to try to create national unity, by villainizing the British. I’m not sure it is the best technique to national unity, but I don’t particularly care what myths Indians tell in their own country. My problem is when they take their myths with them into the West, and repeat them, while doing the most obnoxious things.

    Britain has been invaded more than a thousand-fold compared to India, and they have the gall to act as they got the worst in the bargain. Based on scale, I’m not sure that there has ever been a more pestiferous attitude taken by migrants. Of course, blacks are very obnoxious, but I don’t think they should be held to the same standard. (though they should be deported.)

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @Coconuts
  481. @Astuteobservor II

    Dalai Lama had no connections to Americans before his exile to India. He had some cooperation in the 60s with the CIA, bit no wonder during that time China was a madhouse, even crazier madhouse than Russia was during revolution.

    4. The central authorities will not alter the existing political system in Tibet. The central authorities also will not alter the established status, functions and powers of the Dalai Lama. Officials of various ranks shall continue to hold office.

    7. The policy of freedom of religious belief as laid down in the common program shall be carried out. The religious beliefs, customs and habits of the Tibetan people shall be respected, and lama monasteries shall be protected. The central authorities will not effect a change in the income of the monasteries.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement

    Practically every one of Tibets monasteries and temples was damaged or destroyed by the Red Guards. Most monks were killed Rarely some political agreement has been breached in such complete manner.
    But I remind that the current leadership is not responsible for the breaches, but they cant accept publicly that their predecessors had violated the agreement in such way and that His Holiness is not in fault, if they would say yes we were wrong, then the whole Tibetan accession to PRC would be invalid. Current ChiComs give huge importance to political legitimacy and prestige.

    • Thanks: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  482. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Liberals : Third World is undeveloped because of constant ethnic and/or religious strife.

    Do they say that? I thought the explanation was ‘institutions’ (if corrupted by the economics mind-virus) or (now) white people.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  483. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Women always tell me they are learning Spanish and mention that South America is the place they most want to visit. Sometimes (the really intellectual ones) will mention Marquez.

  484. @songbird

    Liberals have a relationship with Africa, much like they have with blacks in America. It is to encourage them to think that they have no agency and to rob them of the pride that comes from self-help.

    Do you believe that negroes could create or build something even if there would be no liberals?

    I’m not sure it is the best technique to national unity, but I don’t particularly care what myths Indians tell in their own country. My problem is when they take their myths with them into the West, and repeat them, while doing the most obnoxious things.

    Maybe they are obnoxious in Britain and USA, but in India they are quite friendly and poorer classes even behave in quite servile way towards westerners and people of upper castes.

    I believe that most of this victimization bullshit has been invented in the west and low IQ postcolonial quasi intellectuals get infected by it, and no wonder they have a general lack of knowledge regarding history and stuff like Frankfurt school. Like this Christianity is “death cult, Europeans have massacred native Americans and destroyed numerous cultures.” Pretty basic western leftist stuff from the 60s and 70s.

    • Replies: @songbird
  485. @AltanBakshi

    The British separated Pakistan from India haphazardly, thats true, but one motive was to reward their old and loyal Muslim league buddies, who werent as independency minded as the Congress. So I think that there were officials and bureaucrats in the British administration who supported the idea of separate Pakistan.

    Blowing up Mountbatten is the best thing the taigs ever did.

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
  486. @Daniel Chieh

    d dan is a decent commenter in my opinion. I remember there was this one Chinese guy living in the UK who kept making China Numba Wan threads on 4chan /pol/ and he made a lot of people seethe. Would be funny on a larger scale, imagine White liberals interacting with hordes of racist Chinese on Twitter!

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  487. AaronB says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Well, it’s a defensive mentality shared by many Chinese these days. Its threatened self esteem – its useful to understand much of the behavior of the Chinese government as well as Chinese you may meet in daily life.

    Daniel actually suffers less from this malady than the other Chinese commenters on this site.

    It may be that Australia acted stupidly, but a mature, strong country that wants to position itself as a leader, will not sink to an even lower level, as China did. Strength can overlook insults.

    When America was hegemon, it received all sorts of petty slights from European allies, resentful of America’s strength. We just shrugged and rolled with it. Not always, certainly, but in the main abd especially where larger policy was concerned. Past grievance didn’t stop America from building up Germany and Japan.

  488. @Kent Nationalist

    I forgot to add this part in my comment but they usually blame European colonists for drawing the borders a certain way, as a “poison pill” left behind after they left to keep the tanned folk in perpetual strife and underdevelopment.

  489. AaronB says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Support for non White immigration is “overdetermined”, as they say. Many causes intersect to create a perfect storm.

    The two world wars leading to a fear of nationalism among thinking people. The Enlightenment belief that nations are outdated – Kant was the first to float the idea of a Leage of Nations abd globalism. Jews no doubt supported it because they hated being the only minority and a constant scapegoat.

    However, I was focusing on the motivations of big business. For them, the American worker was too soft and too unwilling to work hard for little pay in poor conditions. They are envious of what China has. They want to treat their workers as poorly as China does theirs.

  490. @AaronB

    I actually think the pop forms of transhumanism are what focuses on mind imprinting, etc, which is all quite interesting but really so wildly beyond our capabilities as to be roughly pointless beyond as an imagination. Perhaps a kind of religious hope.

    But I think a lot of transhumanism is really just that: the extension of human capability, and in such, it is no different from the utilization of any other tool. And as the tool becomes ever more present, so it also modifies the society and people who use them, much as the availability of easy transportation abridged distances and destroyed the variations in small towns and in measurements. Or how birth control had been available throughout history, but in its increasing effectiveness, has caused major changes to society. This is ever more obvious when one realizes that even something like bridges were once seen as violations of nature as they transgressed natural boundaries, and had to be sanctified with human sacrifice.

    With that realization, something like this, which is really quite transhuman:

    https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/08/03/how-thoughts-could-one-day-control-electronic-prostheses-wirelessly/

    One could realize that it is in many ways, really quite natural. Its a new form of interfacing with the technology we build. It can lead to significant changes in how we interact, and such wearable computers further increases the “cyborgification” of those who uses it. But its hard to equate such practical advances in functionality with simple historical fantasies.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  491. Beckow says:
    @AaronB

    …While hardly infallible, they dont get there by being fools.

    There is a lot of space between being infallible and being a fool, most elites are somewhere along this gradient. Thera are also few fools, because fools are useful.

    A more common characteristic of our current elite is that most are in the ‘belly over the belt‘ phase of life: undisciplined, greedy and a bit scared. They make good decisions about where to eat, but not about where their societies are going. When you look at actual leaders – good, bad and psychos – they tend by ascetic, focused, ruthless, and willing to put everything on line.

    Your explanation of elites’ abandoning manufacturing to China because of automation doesn’t account for the simultaneous opening of borders and piling women in the workforce. Are they just bad at math? Don’t they understand basic supply-demand? I don’t think so, there are other motivations and shrinking native (white) population in US-EU is one of them. UBI is less likely in heterogeneous and mutually hostile populations, so are our elites too stupid to see that? Or is there malevolence hiding behind ‘historical necessity‘?

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @AaronB
  492. @AltanBakshi

    You are white washing now. And the red guards destroyed everything, tibet wasn’t targeted like you implied.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  493. @AltanBakshi

    one motive was to reward their old and loyal Muslim league buddies, who werent as independency minded as the Congress

    Jinnah was the leading force behind partition, and that too quite late in his life. He was influenced by various moslem intellectuals. Congress wanted an “inclusive” independent India. Your grasp of Indian history is pathetic and the less you annoy me with your ignorance, the better.

    P.S. The partition of India largely benefited Hindus over moslems. Radcliffe even wanted to gift Lahore(!) to India.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  494. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    That is like perfect reverse trolling of the china #1 meme. By using the exact thing no less. Smart anon.

  495. Not that it’d sway the lazy and ignorant racism prevailing here, but for posterity’s sake, it’s worth pointing out that the academic literature largely supports the obvious conclusion: colonialism was bad for India and there were no magnanimous elements.

    It was purely exploitative that delayed the development process of India.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @AltanBakshi
  496. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Do you believe that negroes could create or build something even if there would be no liberals?

    As a group, unless segregated by IQ, mainly, huts, kraals and spears. But they shouldn’t necessarily be forced into the modern world, with its implications that they should be able to build different things, and it is somebody else’s fault if they can’t.

    It is difficult to know what the moral stance is in such situations. If you asked Bushmen or Aborigines, most would not want to return to the bush. And frankly, they would be incapable of it since they lost the knowledge. Of course, Bantu are agriculturalists. Still, I think the predicted 4 billion Africans by 2100 seems like something very artificial and probably very miserable. Maybe, not their ideal state. Maybe, they would be happier in villages.

    IMO, there is too much interference within Africa. Like with HIV. It is probably something that Europeans created, inadvertently by improving transportation inside Africa. It essentially came out of civilization. Without interference, allowed to run free, it may have helped them adapt to a more civilized state. For instance increased monogamy – as I am sure civilization has helped change genes many times before – but it is also something that outsiders have helped tamp down.

    Some of these ethnic conflicts would be solved by wars. But we freeze them into place, by discouraging them.

  497. @Astuteobservor II

    What Im whitewashing and how I was implying that the Tibet was specifically targeted? I simply told that Dalai Lama was the leader of Tibet and he made agreement with Mao, which Mao broke and later Dalai Lama feared for his security or life and escaped to India. Unlike China proper, Tibet had a deal with the Communists, a deal that was shamelessly broken and betrayed.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  498. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    So, the most important secular man in Russia (Putin) is originally of Karelian ancestry and the head of the ROC is of Mordvin extraction (Patriarch Kyrill). Weren’t there any real Russians (Slavs) available to fill these two most important positions? I guess these two want to “finish” the job! 🙂

    • LOL: Ano4
  499. @Beckow

    Unlike AaronB’s powerful takes and usual excellent at theory of mind, I have been around “elites” quite a bit and the fundamental idea that they greatly care about the societies they live in is mostly funny. And why should they? By and large, they’re not rooted to the societies they live in and can mostly distance themselves from the consequences of their decisions. And even when they aren’t that distanced, I think its easy to overestimate the long-range planning that they have.

    They’re like us, in that they want to be happy and compete in status. Except in material goods, they have quite a bit already, so they either compete against their peers in virtue signaling or via even more extreme forms of materialistic gain. At least a few I knew were obsessed with rather extreme perversions and I think it was for some of the same reasons: with most of the normal forms of excitement exhausted, only the extreme forms are left. No small number of even the more normal ones were ultimately rather dysfunctional with weirdly childish obsessions with status goods such as furniture. Many of them are so distanced from labor and work that they can’t envision a normal job; I knew one who was basically impoverished, his response was not to get a job(which he could have easily gotten and get out of debt), but to hire a lawyer to sue and delay collection. Because when bad things happen, their first response is to scream at it(legally).

    There’s so little in that which actually involves the “future of their societies.” Like most of us, they are very self-involved people. But the consequences of their self-involvement are much more dire for others.

    • Agree: Beckow
    • Replies: @Beckow
  500. AP says:
    @A123

    Antifa prey on relatively helpless people, typical unarmed white liberals or storekeepers as one finds in places like Portland. They would be eaten alive on the streets of Detroit, places full of rednecks or Eastern European immigrants, etc.

  501. @Thulean Friend

    No need to be so insulting, at least I dont lie like you with your “-25c is better than +25c.”

    I agree that the partition benefited more Hindus than Muslims, especially in Punjab, but for some reason I got different impression from your posts regarding your opinion, that the partition and drawing of the borders was haphazard and chaotic, so what now you claim that the borders were good or what?

    History of India is a vast and gargantuan topic, as vast as western or Chinese history, so you are quite a petty asshole to nitpick about my knowledge regarding of the particulars of the partition of the British Raj.

    Our discussion started when you complained about the British rule, I replied that no matter what historical wrongs British committed at least it resulted in united India with a comparably small Muslim minority, thats my original point, before you started to nitpick about some bullshit. För helvete with people like you!

    The current borders are not perfect but they are okay, couldve been worse in that hurry that they had in 1947, its a blessing that Moslems got their own little Bantustan in Bangla Desh.

  502. @Ano4

    Tver Karelians are just Orthodox Karelians who became refugees after the Swedes conquered the Ingria and Kexholm Karelia from the Russians, Chuds in my knowledge lived more to the south and were assimilated by the Slavs in the early centuries of the second millenium.

    • Disagree: Ano4
  503. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    It was purely exploitative that delayed the development process of India.

    Let’s do some math:
    Highest historical estimate for subcon population (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) is in 1500. Not exactly pre-contact, but before the Columbian exchange had much influence. What was it? (again, highest estimate) 112 million! Again, that’s including Pakistan and Bangladesh!

    What is the population of India plus Pakistan plus Bangladesh in 2020? About 1,773.4 million! That’s an increase of at least 1661.4 million! Or, in other words, at least about 93.7% of the modern population of South Asia is alive thanks to Europeans. It actually might be higher – I didn’t use the medium estimate – I used the highest.

    Europeans did not increase the population of India by 93.7%. They increased it by about 1,483%. Not to, but by. And that is the most conservative estimate. As we all know, it is probably higher.

    If Europeans were exploitative of Indians, what does that make the Indians invading the West, today? Surely, we must use a worse word to describe them, if we are honest.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
  504. Mr. Hack says:
    @AaronB

    A very interesting comment that says a lot concisely. Don’t take offense from your detractors here, they rarely have anything really worthwhile to say anyways.

    One question though. Where, in your opinion, do the American elites plan to put all of the ‘ docile and submissive workers willing to work long hours for little pay in poor conditions.”? What specific industries are they to fill, if in your opinion the manufacturing sector is a non entity? We don’t really seem to need any more gardeners mowing lawns in Arizona. The health care sector generally needs qualified, educated people, and most of them make a living wage? What exact industries are poised to benefit the most from this influx of poor, uneducated masses of people?

    Keep ’em coming. You seem to be the cause of some consternation and heartburn for your critics, so you must be including at least some kernel of truth in your comments!

    • Replies: @AaronB
  505. @Thulean Friend

    I have not voiced my opinion regarding if Indians would have a better quality of life without colonization. I have just stated political facts like:

    United India would not exist without colonialism.

    India would in all likelihood be politically more fragmented than now.

    Muslims would have a greater share of population and political power in countries like Hyderabad, Mysore, Jammu and Kashmir, Oudh or in their potential successor states.

    • LOL: Thulean Friend
  506. @AltanBakshi

    We recognize no authority but the House of Nanak.
    All humanity is one family,
    Creation one being.

    The Khalsa’s Raj soars from sunset to sunrise,
    To the 7 heavens above
    The 7 gates of hell below||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  507. @AltanBakshi

    Come on now. Writing about the Dalai lama and CIA working together to sew separatism as some innocent links. And then immediately bring up the red guard as if that was what forced him to do it.

    And are you sure you got the time line correctly? 1959, and red guard appearance in the 60s. Which comes first?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  508. @Astuteobservor II

    Red guards appeared during the Cultural revolution, you are correct that they were a later development, but violent collectivization of Tibet was started in the early 1950s, and most of the points of the 17 points agreement were breached long before the Dalai Lama escaped to India, according to Dalai Lama ChiComs asked to him to come to attend theatrical performance with them and demanded that he comes without bodyguards, remember this is the year 1959, so a very Stalinistic period in Chinese history, the Tibetans thought that the Chinese want to abduct the Dalai Lama and started to revolt, remember also that for Tibetans Dalai Lama is much higher and prestigious figure than even the emperor of Japan was for the Japanese before their military defeat in the WWII.

    In my opinion the 17 points agreement was too good to be true, especially when signed by true commies like 50s ChiComs, so its understandable that Mao broke it. But this continual accusation that Dalai Lama supports separatism is wrong, he has officially voiced multiple times that he only demands cultural autonomy.

    Its true that Dalai Lama, CIA and rebelling Khampa tribesmen cooperated in the 60s, but in my opinion its understandable, the China of those times was a mad society, there were many sensible Chinese who also opposed Maos rule during those times, outside and inside China. Even Soviet Union thought that the China was crazy country in the 60s, those who claim otherwise are probably just deranged keyboard patriots or something and cant accept that the historical realities are constantly in flux. I say this as a good friend of both of China and Russia. Still I dont think that Mao was completely evil and he made huge positive contribution to history by reuniting China, what I just claim that things are not black and white, or morally simple as in the (most)Hollywood movies.

    • Thanks: TheTotallyAnonymous
  509. Beckow says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I met the ‘elite’ once at some conference. It was in a Hotel – today elites treat hotels as their churches. They were polite, well dressed, washed hands, easy to be around. But then they went for the buffet and I lost all respect. Hands over hands, piled up shrimp and baked green stuff on tiny plates, armed elbows and endless shoe positioning, servant girls in miniskirts dodging fat guys (I found out later that the servant girls were actually called ‘interns‘, one told me that she is writing a thesis on the conference, I still can’t figure that one out.)

    It was a food fight: ministers, executives, ‘consultants‘, scientists. A defence minister of some country was stuck in the corner with an oversized beer (it was shortly after 11 am and he was in a uniform), I figured he was not very good at acquisition of finger foods.

    What an elite. One PM had his goons (‘security‘) cut in line and gather enormous amount of small plates full of goodies. This was pre-corona, 2018, and I knew then that we were done as a civilisation. Now we all kind of know it.

    My first (and last) response is always to observe what young women do; their innocent prophetic behaviour predicts what is coming. Deep in the 20th century, they used to march in uniforms and shout slogans about brighter future. Then they really got into oligarchs, big and small. Now they seem to be shouting that the end is near. Greta and the assorted BLM college groupies sense that the gig is up.

    But I am still sorry that they cancelled conferences this year…

  510. Coconuts says:
    @songbird

    Britain has been invaded more than a thousand-fold compared to India, and they have the gall to act as they got the worst in the bargain. Based on scale, I’m not sure that there has ever been a more pestiferous attitude taken by migrants. Of course, blacks are very obnoxious, but I don’t think they should be held to the same standard. (though they should be deported.)

    I’ve met quite a few British Indians and Indians in Britain but there wasn’t a pattern of them being obnoxious. There was a perceptible difference between Indians and other groups from the subcontinent though, I lived in an area that was 25%+ Bangladeshi and had them as neighbours for years, then I was living in my grandmother’s old house for a while in a street that had become 80% (or more) Pakistani. These two groups were much more obviously involved in shady activities and interaction was more limited, despite being around them more.

    This was all some years ago. Lately I’ve noticed the kind of Nationalist-Marxist narrative of British colonial rule in India described in the article Thulean Friend linked getting referenced more frequently in the media, you see sub-continent academics promoting the ‘decolonisation’ agenda for British culture and society, Indian nationalist narratives are supposed to be given more prominence in the education system following BLM and so on; things could be changing or have changed.

    I’d guess this is linked to the growing demographic presence of people originally from the subcontinent in the UK, they are maybe around 10% of the population at the moment but this is projected to rise at a quicker rate in the next couple of decades.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @Philip Owen
  511. AaronB says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks. And that’s an excellent question.

    To answer it, I think we’d need to look at which industries are disproportionately composed of immigrants. In NY, for instance, construction work is heavily immigrant. Friends in real estate development tell me that while White construction companies do better work, they are expensive, and immigrants companies do adequate work for far less money. Without immigrants, my friends profit margins would be far slimmer. Another industry I can think of is agriculture. If agriculture companies were to pay a wage high enough for Americans used to high living standards to find attractive, their profit margins would be slimmer.

    Another one is IT. My brother in law works in IT. After getting married to my sister in his mid 20s, he asked for reasonable hours so he can spend more time with his family. He was still willing to work long hours, just not as much. He was refused, and he quit, to be replaced by an Asian willing to work in those conditions. He went on to found his own start up and become successful, so it worked out. Academia is another field that comes to mind.

    I don’t think elites engineered this or masterminded it as some grand plan. Immigration has multiple sources. Once the trend started, I think business elites saw how it could be used to enrich themselves and reduce the quality of life for the average American. And once they saw that it led to new distractions around race, all the better. I think elites also want more consumers.

    There probably are comprehensive surveys out there with regard to immigrants and jobs.

  512. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I think Ray Kurzweil style transhumsnism is an Immortality Project.

    Using tools to make life easier and more convenient is one thing. But if you think the invention of tools is the main activity of life, and you think the most important thing is to develop human powers to higher and higher levels, and one main result you’re expecting from this is immortality, then I’d say you’re betraying a basic dissatisfaction with the human condition as it is. Youre striving for a higher state of being and immortality.

    That’s basically religious. Religions offer immortal life and a higher state of being to their adherents- they rest on dissatisfaction with the human condition.

    There is nothing wrong with this, and nothing wrong with religion. Most of mankind will need some kind of religion.

    I do think there is an alternative vision of accepting life just as it is, and finding it enough, but I don’t think its for most people.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @utu
  513. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    But theres a clearly some kind of central organ which gives commands or orders to major new agencies.

    That’s interesting, I didn’t know about these kinds of stories coming out following the Dalai Lama’s comments. Looking at the newspaper involved though it is not surprising, it publishes plenty of stuff that is basically progressive agit-prop and they were probably triggered by the comments the Dalai Lama made in the BBC interview. They, and the online progressive outrage mob behind the journalists, have been getting more sensitive to anything said by an important figure that goes publicly off message on subjects like immigration.

    Unfortunately the Christian churches often either go along with wokeness and BLM without addressing it directly or actively promote it (like the Anglican church). Only some Orthodox bishops seem to have discussed it explicitly, pointing out the problems with it in the light of Christian tradition.

  514. songbird says:
    @Coconuts

    There seem to be markedly different levels of inclination to criminality among different groups of Indians, to use the word broadly. I guess progressives are more about emotion than evidence, but these different rates would be pretty difficult to explain based on the idea that it is racism and skin color keeping people down.

    Unfortunately the Christian churches often either go along with wokeness

    The majority of the College of Cardinals is not white. I don’t know whether the nonwhite ones are less woke or more woke, but I think the Church has become too internationalist to be able to effectively fight poz.

  515. AaronB says:
    @Beckow

    Why is UBI less likely in a heterogeneous population? UBI will never be given out of altruism – it will only be given out of hard economic compulsion, as automation increases, and the elites need consumers to buy their crap.

    Manufacturing is a shrinking sector. But the elites still need lots of people to work in other sectors in poor conditions without complaining.

    And old style Americans, used to high living standards and being treated with respect, won’t serve.

    Thats just the business side of things.

    On the cultural side, of course there is obvious malevolence traditional towards Western culture among the elite. Although that malevolence is a form of Western culture fighting another. But the actual power wielders exploit cultural trends to increase their wealth and power.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  516. nickels says:

    In other news, what’s the deal with Яussian cursive?

  517. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Thulean Friend

    Australia’s moves against China were unnecessary, spiteful and frankly submissive to US diktat.

    I’m Australian and I agree entirely. Not just unnecessary, spiteful and frankly submissive to US diktat but also foolish and childish. It saddens me to say this but on this issue Australia is entirely in the wrong.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  518. @AaronB

    I think you like to bullshit rather than accept when you are obviously wrong. But more importantly, there is nothing more fundamentally and quintessential human than to advance.

    In the struggle, there is beauty.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AltanBakshi
  519. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    Yul Brynner had no Jewish descent.

    And so did the vast majority of Khazars.

    (Just kidding)

    I always thought that Brynner was some Odessite Jew, thanks for correcting me.

    🙂

  520. Tor597 says:
    @dfordoom

    How do most Australians feel about this?

    Are most of them wanting to ratchet up tensions with China or to calm things down?

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  521. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Thats true, most of humanity wants to advance. Although, in traditional societies, there was more appreciation for savoring the moment, at least in some sectors of society. I think lately, thats been lost too much.

    Just, I’m of the savoring the moment sect, so I would hope modern society would be a bit more accommodating towards people of my type. Which I think is happening.

    But for those who find the meaning of life in advance, my life of savoring the moment would be torture- or rather, an impossibility. And I would not want to force it on them.

    I too sometimes find the struggle diverting and beautiful, but ultimately, for me and not necessarily for others, there is a better way to live, and a different way to see the world.

    But our different tribes must coexist.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  522. songbird says:

    Tolkien wrote a famous letter in response to a German inquiry about whether his antecedents were Jewish. His response was somewhat showy and might seem politically correct.

    But what is funny is that he modeled the Dwarves on Jews. And Hobbits on English people.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  523. utu says:
    @Jaakko Raipala

    The 10:1 mortality ratio between Sweden and its neighbors bothers Swedish apologists and the dead-enders who still believe that no lockdown in Sweden was the best thing than happened to humanity since the sliced bread. They come up with all kinds of consolations and excuses like that Sweden had a lot of “dry tinder” because supposedly it did not have flues in recent years unlike Finland or Norway.

    The “dry tinder” meme was invented by Swedish apologists who can’t deal with the fact that Norway and Finland have 10 times lower deaths per capita outcome. It basically says: Look, Sweden is bad because it is so good (it protected people from flu so well).

    Or another meme is about Africans. It is all the fault of Africans in Sweden. Again this is the same psychological meme: Look, Sweden is bad because it is so good (it takes a lot immigrants).

  524. songbird says:

    Wow, they are really pushing Jordan Peterson again!

    I thought he was done.

  525. utu says:
    @AaronB

    An order of two 100g vodka shots is called binoculars.

    • LOL: AaronB
  526. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Tor597

    How do most Australians feel about this?

    Are most of them wanting to ratchet up tensions with China or to calm things down?

    My impression is that most Australians think the evil ChiComs are about to invade Australia and that only our wonderful American friends can save us. It’s always 1941 and evil slant-eyed devils are always about to invade us. We have to join our noble American friends and send young Australians off to die in all of America’s wars, including the coming war with the evil ChiComs.

    But it’s difficult to say overall. Older Australians tend to be rabidly pro-American. There was a strong strand of anti-Americanism on the Australian Left but it seems to have faded (or rather it seems to have been crushed). The right-wing media here is fanatically pro-American and fanatically anti-Chinese.

    As is the case in the West as a whole racism is socially unacceptable but there’s still plenty of it so the socially acceptable forms of racism (hatred of the Chinese, hatred of Muslims) tend to be extremely popular.

    I think there’s also (as in the US) a lot of resentment towards China for being so successful. Australians liked the Chinese when they could be relied upon to be suitably subservient.

    But the Australians I encounter regularly may not be very typical.

    • Thanks: Tor597
    • Replies: @utu
  527. utu says:
    @dfordoom

    If China decides to invade Australia only America can save you.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @AnonFromTN
    , @Beckow
  528. dfordoom says: • Website
    @utu

    If China decides to invade Australia only America can save you.

    Yes, that’s the kind of moronic attitude that is all too common here. A mixture of racist paranoia and grovelling to America.

    • Agree: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @utu
    , @AltanBakshi
  529. @Daniel Chieh

    I’m much more of an anti-Hindoo chupatzphere, which is happily a creed shared far and wide by many wonderful people who’ve experienced the joys of Indian internet commentators.

    LOL.

    I remember when the news about Serbia choosing to buy Chinese FK-3/KS-1 anti-air missles/systems (done so in order to avoid US threats of sanctions for Serbia’s earlier intent to buy Russian S-300/S-400) came out that a whole bunch of Indian nationalists on twitter went on about how Serbia “betrayed Russia” and “China cucked Russia in Serbia” lmao.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  530. Absolute state of wh*toids: A brown son of Hindu immigrants wants to decrease US militarism and imperialist oppression and wh*toid “liberal” comes out in full fury:

  531. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Maybe 10% of Ismailis are from Gilgit, Pamirs and Nuristan.

    Yes, but:

    https://alumni.columbia.edu/content/nasir-khusraw-ruby-badakhshan-portrait-persian-poet-traveller-and-philosoph

    [MORE]

    Then I arose and set out on my way, remembering
    neither my home nor past, nor garden of roses. From Persian, Arab, Hindu, Turk and Jew, from the folk of Sind, from the Romans, from everyone I met; the philosopher, Manichee, Sabaean, atheist, I asked, I questioned, I pestered.

    Many a night I made a stone my pillow, the clouds my tent. I sank as low as a fish, I ascended as high as the stars above the hills; now in a land where water was frozen as marble, now in a land where the very dust was hot as a spark, I roamed.

    Now by the sea, now on the high plateau or trackless waste, across mountains, sand and streams, up and down the precipices, coil of rope round my shoulder like a camel driver, pack on my back like a mule, inquiring I went my way, searching from city to city, shore to shore…

    Then one day I reached those city gates where angels are servants, where planets and stars are slaves, a garden of roses and pines girded round with walls of emerald and jasper trees, set in a desert of gold-embroidered silk, its springs sweet as honey, the river of paradise:

    A city which only Virtue can aspire to reach, a city whose cypresses are like the blades of Intellect, a city whose sages wear brocaded robes woven of silk . . . And here, before these gates, my Reason spoke: Here, within these walls, find what you seek and do not leave without it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasir_Khusraw

    One has to give respect where true respect is due…

  532. utu says:
    @dfordoom

    If China decides to invade Australia only America can save you.

    Yes, that’s the kind of moronic attitude that is all too common here. A mixture of racist paranoia and grovelling to America.

    Truth hurts. So let me say it again. Only America can save Australia from being swallowed up by China if China decides it. No amount of sucking Chinese dicks with enthusiastic swallowing by you and other Australian renegades and defeatists will affect China’s ultimate decision. And if America decides to save Australia it won’t be because it cares about cocksuckers and enthusiastic Chinese sperm eaters like you. A pure geopolitical calculus.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  533. @songbird

    Tolkein was a subscriber to the nationalist magazine Candour. His son, Christopher, was also a member of the National Front at one time (although another son married a Jewess). I know that the Dwarves are supposedly based on Jews, but I have never been able to see how. The character Albrecht from the Ring is much more Jewish.

    http://www.spearhead.co.uk/0208-sg.html

  534. @Kent Nationalist

    There is also an element of Jewishness in these fellows

    • LOL: Kent Nationalist
  535. @Daniel Chieh

    I spit on my life.
    Death in battle would be better for me
    than that I, defeated, survive.

    -Buddha Gautama
    (the real one, not the hippie version)

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
  536. @AP

    Interesting, a fellow kinsman if he had Buryat blood.

    Its so odd that there has been in Ukraine one half-Buryatian minister of defense. Yekhanurov or something?

    • Replies: @AP
  537. @dfordoom

    I got funny idea. Australia is only place in the world that could work as economically prosperous North Korea, just make couple nuclear weapons and thats it, no one will think attacking you, no need to bow to China or America and you can just export your surplus resources etc and live forever happily alone, in your very own Shangri La continent, free from the worries of the world, but thats too much outside of the box thinking for postcolonial Anglo elites.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  538. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Yekhanurov was also prime minister. He was on Yushchenko’s team. His father was a Buryat, his mother a Ukrainian.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  539. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AltanBakshi

    I got funny idea. Australia is only place in the world that could work as economically prosperous North Korea, just make couple nuclear weapons and thats it, no one will think attacking you, no need to bow to China or America and you can just export your surplus resources etc and live forever happily alone, in your very own Shangri La continent, free from the worries of the world, but thats too much outside of the box thinking for postcolonial Anglo elites.

    Actually, funnily enough, I agree. Australia should have developed nukes. I assume the Americans would have tried to stop us. Would the Americans have invaded us to stop us from doing that?

    No nation is a sovereign nation unless it has its own nuclear deterrent.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @A123
  540. @AP

    Theres often “khan” in Buryatian family names so it was easy to deduce that his father was a Buryat. Theres khan in my mothers maiden name too.
    Is he an Ukrainian nationalist? Because Yuchenko seems to be.

    By the way I really dont know know truth about this, but was Yuchenko really poisoned or was it just a political stunt or something?

    According to the Buryat article in Ukrainian Wikipedia, there is collection of Buryat folk stories translated to Ukrainian language.
    Видання бурятських народних казок українською (1987). And that theres even a best selling author Dorje Batu, who is Buryat and writes in Ukrainian!
    https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B6_%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D1%83
    I just cant understand why? Why to write in Ukrainian if you can write in the most beautiful Slavic language that there is? No offence, but when Ukrainian is spoken its more monotonic and flat, and less melodic than Russian. Yes the Russian has more singing quality in it, maybe some influence from the Finnic languages? This AP is just my personal and subjective opinion, I perfectly understand if Ukrainians think that their language sounds better. Still Ukrainian is much better than (shoe)Polish. Polish is possibly the ugliest Slavic language in existence, maybe its because of the historical influence of the German language?

    • Replies: @AP
  541. AP says:
    @dfordoom

    I suspect that the USA would not stand in the way of Australia getting nukes if the purpose of doing so were protection from China.

    • Disagree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @dfordoom
  542. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Is he an Ukrainian nationalist? Because Yuchenko seems to be.

    Yekhanurov was more of a technocrat than an ideological nationalist, but was on Yushchenko’s team. He was pro-Western.

    By the way I really dont know know truth about this, but was Yuchenko really poisoned or was it just a political stunt or something?

    Poisoning was real, he really is scarred, there are some questions about who actually was behind it.

    Why to write in Ukrainian if you can write in the most beautiful Slavic language that there is? No offence, but when Ukrainian is spoken its more monotonic and flat, and less melodic than Russian. Yes the Russian has more singing quality in it

    Yours is a rare perception. Even most Russians admit that Ukrainian is softer and more melodic than their own language; it’s good for folk songs. Ukrainian has been compared to being the Italian of Slavic languages. Such perceptions are common:

    What does Ukrainian sound like for speakers of other languages? (added some samples) from languagelearning

    “ To my Italian ears, it sounds like Russian but somewhat sweeter and with more х sounds”

    “ Russian but with the smoothness of Italian”

    Ukrainian spoken in Galicia is a bit less melodic or rather more clipped and abrupt than the Ukrainian spoken in central Ukraine, though the difference is subtle (I notice something similar between Russian spoken in the Urals vs. in Moscow).

    To Russian ears, Ukrainian also seems funny and child-like. Conversely, the Russian language sounds rough and vulgar to Ukrainian ears that aren’t accustomed to it.

    Still Ukrainian is much better than (shoe)Polish

    Polish just sounds whispered with all its sh and shch sounds. It doesn’t sound particularly ugly.

    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
  543. @AP

    Americas opposition against nuclear armed North Korea and/or Iran would be too hypocritical if America would allow Australia to have nuclear weapons.

    Its already because of Israel, but still…

    • Replies: @AP
  544. songbird says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    I know that the Dwarves are supposedly based on Jews, but I have never been able to see how.

    there’s an interview with the BBC on Youtube entitled “J.R.R. Tolkien 1964 interview (Subtitles)”, the full exchange about the different races begins at about the 9:20 mark.

    Here are the highlights about Dwarves:
    -Dwarf language is Semitic.
    -love of the artifact (?)
    -immense warlike capacity of the Jews, which people tend to forget.

    But I think he might have had other thoughts that he felt he couldn’t mention on the BBC: that Jewish women were ugly, and that Jews were overly fond of gold, and perhaps something about Zionism. And they may have edited the interview, anyway.

    Edit: now that I think of it, there might be some hidden meaning in the antagonism between the Dwarves and Elves. The Elves having idealized qualities and abilities that people wish they had.

  545. What the heck? Never I would have thought that by looking Ukrainian wikipedia, I would find that theres a small Tibetan Buddhist monastery of Nyingma school in Donetsk Oblast that was established in 1993?!

    https://uk.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD-%D0%BB%D1%96%D0%BD%D0%B3

    • Replies: @AP
  546. dfordoom says: • Website
    @AP

    I suspect that the USA would not stand in the way of Australia getting nukes if the purpose of doing so were protection from China.

    The USA would oppose Australia getting nukes because having nukes would make Australia an independent nation. The USA does not want independent nations (even if they’re allies). It wants obedient vassals.

    • Replies: @AP
  547. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Interesting. It’s in the Ukrainian part of Donetsk oblast, but has suspended its activities due to the war.

  548. Things get even stranger, theres a big Vietnamese Buddhist temple in Kharkov too! That goes by the name Чук-Лам or Chuk-Lam! But it seems that its more oriented towards local Vietnamese community unlike the temple in the Donetsk oblast.

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3312/vasilij-7884.4/0_2443e_3f8c6f7e_XL

    https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5506/varandej1.15d/0_85d6f_c910b581_XL

  549. AP says:
    @dfordoom

    It depends on the leader. IIRC Trump would not have minded Poland or Japan developing their own capabilities although the American Establishment would be opposed for the reasons you indicate.

    Still, if Australia got nukes on its own America wouldn’t do anything about it.

  550. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Other than Trump, America wouldn’t want increased proliferation but I doubt that Australia would face serious repercussions from the USA if it acquired nuclear capability.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  551. @utu

    If China decides to invade Australia

    In contrast to the US, Chinese leadership is sane and reasonably intelligent. Thus, China will decide to invade Australia the day after the Hell freezes over. LOL.

    • Agree: dfordoom
  552. @AP

    I think USA would make somekind of sanctions against Australia, otherwise they couldnt speak with a straight face about nuclear non proliferation and Iran. Yes theres Israel, but it seems that every major country just play acts that they dont have nuclear weapons, even Russia and China, which is totally crazy and makes Israeli opposition of Irans nuclear weapons program look extremely hypocritical and heinous.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @dfordoom
    , @AP
  553. @AltanBakshi

    makes Israeli opposition of Irans nuclear weapons program look extremely hypocritical and heinous.

    Hypocrisy is the name of the game in Western politics. What else is new?

  554. Amateur hour is over with the adults back in the room.

    Trump was an abberation as I write earlier.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  555. keypusher says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The American birth rate dropped every decade of the republic’s existence. The postwar baby boom was the exception, and the rate turned around and started dropping in 1957. Saying the boom ended in 1962 or 1964 is an exercise in arbitrary line-drawing.

    The ’65 Act was not seen as particularly momentous at the time — certainly not compared to the Civil Right Act or the Voting Rights Act. It was seen as getting rid of a racist relic, the 1924 Act which essentially sought to freeze the country’s then-existing ethnic composition in place.

    As the American birthrate dropped, historically underpopulated Latin America was undergoing a boom of its own. But it took a long time for Latino immigration to the U.S. to become significant. There’s a tendency to draw a straight line from the ’65 Act to the later immigration increase, but I don’t think that really makes sense.

  556. Beckow says:
    @utu

    If China decides to invade Australia only America can save you.

    If.

    With the level of (non-)thinking you can justify almost anything.

    • Replies: @utu
  557. songbird says:
    @Ano4

    A new twist on The Boys from Brazil would be to make clones of Hitler whose deep tissue was Hitler, but who had the superficial appearance of Africans, thus removing them from criticism, and making people automatically admire their ideas.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  558. Beckow says:
    @AaronB

    …Why is UBI less likely in a heterogeneous population?

    Something to do with solidarity, it is higher among similar groups. E.g. socialist Denmark or Austria of the past.

    And old style Americans, used to high living standards…

    Most younger Americans don’t have the same high living standards. It’s a bit of a chicken-and-