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It’s now pretty clear that Biden is going to be the next POTUS. The only moderately interesting question is how long before Trump concedes.

Anti-climatic as the election was for those hoping for a Trump set or a 269-269 troll map, there is interesting analysis to be done on:

  • The fraud question – did it happen? did it change the results? (prepare to be disappointed). and does it matter, given that probably 20-30% of Americans (and many foreigners) believe it did?
  • Opinion polls, gamblers, prediction.
  • The demographics of Trump’s base and how it expanded amongst minorities.
  • Could Trump have won?
  • What will be the likely impact on “wokeness”? Will the social media purges accelerate, or lay off? On foreign relations with Russia and China?
  • A point that I have been making for months: The new neolib-centrist “consensus”, ostensibly powerful, will actually be quite fragile – despised as it is not just by the Right but by the Left.

I actually discussed many of these points already with Vile Varangian the day before, but it would be good to address this these points in subsequent posts.

 
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  1. This is the current Open Thread, where anything goes – within reason.

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  2. California needs to filed a Presidential candidate. Let’s say a Sikh to really confuse the BLM issue. Yang would do. CA is still the future of the USA. Trump-Biden is an old battle based on the past.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  3. Mikhail says: • Website

    What Sucks About the EU

    Re: https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/04/goodbye-has-russia-had-enough-insults/

    An overall agreeable piece.

    It’s incorrect to equate all of Europe with the EU. Not every European nation is in the EU.

    Respectfully disagree with the notion that Russia isn’t a European nation. It can and has been called Eurasian. Much of Russia’s population is in Europe.

    The aforementioned reference to Peter the Great, doesn’t emphasize Russia’s greater interaction with western and central Europe, relative to the Fareast during his period and thereafter. The pre-Mongol invasion Rurik governed period of Russia included contact with Scandinavia.

    Russian sports teams compete in the European (not Asian) zone.

    —————————————————

    Schiff & Anti-Jewish Sentiment

    Re: https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/11/04/is-adam-schiff-an-anti-semite/

    Would’ve chosen a different title for the below article, in the sense that one can be bigoted towards one group or groups unlike some others.

    Some Dem establishment Trump bashers have ironically suggested that Trump has expressed bigoted anti-Chinese comments. This is pretty rich given how this group of Dems have characterized Russia/Russians, along with being soft on the blatant bigotry expressed by James Clapper.

    Regarding the below article, another example is Evelyn Farkas falsely accusing the Russians of meddling in the primary she was in and referring to yours truly as an “agent”.

    —————————————————

    A thought provoking piece regarding Ukraine:

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-ukraine-will-destroy-rule-law-while-claiming-defend-it%C2%A0-171900

    Thaci in the klink:

    https://www.rferl.org/a/kosovar-president-resigns-after-confirming-war-crimes-charges/30931663.html

    • Thanks: Alfred
  4. A123 says:

    The biggest losers are the paid pollsters. Even The Atlantic is mocking them…. (1)

    Surveys badly missed the results, predicting an easy win for former Vice President Joe Biden, a Democratic pickup in the Senate, and gains for the party in the House. Instead, the presidential election is still too close to call, Republicans seem poised to hold the Senate, and the Democratic edge in the House is likely to shrink.

    This is a disaster for the polling industry and for media outlets and analysts that package and interpret the polls for public consumption, such as FiveThirtyEight, The New York Times’ Upshot, and The Economist’s election unit. They now face serious existential questions.

    Who is going to pay for results that are 100% guaranteed to be wrong?
    ____

    This extended controversy opens the door to the Medvedev-Putin strategy for Pence-Trump.

    — The level of fraud is so bad, one or more states will be unable to participate in the Electoral College.
    — Pelosi will abrogate her responsibility to have the House select the President.
    — The Senate will select Pence.

    Trump gets to run the country while Pence uses up his two terms as President. We could have 16 Years of Trump using this Putin inspired stratagem.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/polling-catastrophe/616986/

  5. songbird says:

    Will 2024 be two Indian women (one being a half-breed) running against each other? And which one is worse from the Chinese perspective?

    • Replies: @sher singh
  6. Mr. Hack says:

    I think that it was just last week that we were having a spirited conversation about the great jazz musician, Chick Corea, specifically with the ever multi-cultural aficionado and purveyor of all things related to art, Dmitry, and the guy (gal?), the always opiniated blogger formerly known as Ms. Karlin-Mandela. Anyway, I thought I’d share some really good deals on two Chick Corea “box sets” that include 5 CD’s each. Ranging in price from $15 – $18 this is a great way to add a lot of Chick’s older (but still really great) music to your library. I don’t know if you guys still buy CD’s or not, or have converted over totally to the MP3 format, but the CD sound quality is excellent and you get the nice little original art cardboard envelopes too. I already own the first edition (love it) and have recently ordered the second one, that I should be receiving by 11/13. Oh, and these smash hit specials can be purchased through Amazon. Enjoy!

    • Thanks: Gerard-Mandela
  7. Trump lost three major urban Florida counties that he won in 2016 -Duval, containing Jacksonville, Seminole, containing Sanford, and Pinellas, containing St. Petersburg; nobody’s crying fraud over these because their vote was cancelled out by LATINOS in Osceola and Miami-Dade counties:

    https://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/state.php?year=2020&fips=12&f=0&off=0&elect=0

    Trump’s presidency is the firmest possible proof that the 2012 GOP Hispanic outreach strategy was always bunkum. Whitereach is (still) the only serious path to winning the electoral college.

    And, yes, I agree, the polling profession is done for. Education weighing (which NYT/Siena did in their famously unreliable polls of OH, IA, and FL) is proven utterly meaningless. The national polls were off far more than they were in 2016.

  8. How many illnesses has Trump got?

    He shows signs of dyspraxia (which puts him on the autistic spectrum). His gross and fine motor functions are shambolic. He has problems with stairs. He has problems with handling a glass. He is chaotic and disorganized. He does little focussed work. All pointing to dyspraxia.

    He also has brain fog (uncontrolled blood sugar? an undeclared stroke?). He is barely articulate. He can never talk about specifics or detail that involve numbers. He doesn’t seem to use an autocue either. He rambles and rambles and rambles. He even projects his problems onto Biden.

    And then of course we have the well known narcisscism. His Pocahontas remarks about Elizabeth Warren was more projection, this time of his own vanity. His speech is drawing huge numbers of people into the conspiracy theories he is using to prop up his fragile ego. And then the trophy women, the fake success, running for President. Just how much did his father bully him as a child?

    He was still marginally the better option solely because of his antiwar stance. Why did a country like the US chose such a bizzare monster and the UK Brexit and Johnson? (I know: The Left Behind wanted to send a signal to the grown ups to pay attention).

  9. mal says:

    Fraud – fairly sure its real but also irrelevant because our friendly overlords (the ones who actually count the votes) have deemed it so. Trumps objections may be legit but they will be summarily dismissed. This is what Trump gets for not purging the swamp.

    Opinion polls are like fairy tales – they can tell you any narrative you like. Lies, damned lies, and opinion polls.

    Democrats operate under delusion that the young are forever young. Of course, as people age, some also tend to lean more conservative and away from their liberal phase. This applies to minorities as well. Combine this with Democratic concentration around urban areas (at least before the riots and pandemic), and demographics case is far from closed.

    Trump lost the instant the country went into lockdown – Republicans don’t do well in poor economy (Bush Sr, McCain). Before that, Trump had very good chance of winning.

    Woke monster will feed and grow, it started under Obama-Biden, why would it stop under Biden-Harris? Media purges will accelerate as more fresh wokespawn eats the old school liberals in elite institutions.

    In international relations, Iran will likely be frozen at current level of sanctions (no return to the deal), but further escalation is unlikely as current suffering of the Iranian people is sufficient for now. Chinese spent all that money on the cocaine for the Bidens, it should buy them at least a neutrality and deep state always saves the best for last. Its not Chinas time yet, so some normalization will occur. Russia has no such luck and will bear the brunt of the MIC expenditures. US is running out of time and Russia must be destroyed first before US can starve Chinese into submission.

    Exactly – as domestic troubles expose how weak neoliberal/neocon concensus is, they will get more and more desperate and hysterical. Desperate times call for desperate measures, hence senile puppet for President. Biden is not there to lead, he is there to be manipulated into some very reckless and dangerous situations that a more sane President would avoid.

  10. Bigly, bigly loser turtle.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  11. mal says:
    @Philip Owen

    Why did a country like the US chose such a bizzare monster and the UK Brexit and Johnson? (I know: The Left Behind wanted to send a signal to the grown ups to pay attention).

    Trump won the Republican primaries because Democrats and the media elites conspired to rig Republican primaries using “pied piper” candidates to radicalize the GOP and suppress the turnout of moderate Republicans. Lower turnout for the GOP would have assured Hillary Clinton’s victory. Trump was one such “pied piper” candidate. There were others.

    After the primaries, it was a simple matter of “muh team” dynamics, “Pied Piper” strategy backfired spectacularly, and Democrats needed a scapegoat. After all, rigging your own primary is a minor scandal, but rigging your opponent’s primary is some very nasty business.

    Russia was chosen as a scapegoat, successfully so. Everyone was talking Russia and how DNC was mean to Bernie, but everybody shut up about Pied Piper real quick, even though it was vastly more important.

  12. utu says:

    The election results showed amazing resilience of Americans. Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins. The near majority will have to be subdued and pacified. They must accept the defeat and abandon hope. The psychological warfare will intensify.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi, AltSerrice
    • Replies: @AP
  13. How is this any different from placing a CCP member on a Chinese corporate board?

    • Replies: @Dumbo
    , @reiner Tor
  14. nickels says:

    Oh good grief.
    I’ll stash this thread right along side my ‘Covid is going to kill 2 million’ thread.

    Russians….

  15. AP says:
    @utu

    The election results showed amazing resilience of Americans. Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins.

    Republicans won a majority of the local statehouses, where electoral districts will be drawn after the census, gained an additional governorship, and clawed back votes in the House (though not enough to control it). They lost some of the senate but it looks like they will keep it. There is still a very small chance Trump may win; AZ is creeping his way and he will fight in the courts.

    It would be ironic if Trump lost the presidency because too many of his voters got sick or died as a result of his cavalier approach.

    Overall the Republican Party has changed and has not suffered for it.

    The election results showed amazing resilience of Americans. Despite of being subjected to 24/7 psychological warfare including the skewed poll results that Trump would be swept by a Tsunami 50% of Americans voted for Trump. Biden’s win depends on trickling of minute streams of votes of dubious origins.

    It seems that a lot of Americans have learned that the media is not to be trusted and they tune it out. Sad but necessary.

    • Replies: @utu
  16. AP says:

    A Ukrainian immigrant from Chernihiv, Viktoria Spartz, graduate of the Kiev National Economic University, got elected to the House of Representatives (Republican from Indiana):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Spartz

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  17. Vivek says:

    As a somewhat objective observer I think it’s no exaggeration to say that the Russian elections will now be the word’s most important going forward. The scale and brazenness of the Democrat orchestrated fraud is impressive, as is the impunity with which they carried it out. Given that this is taking place under a sitting Republican President, a Republican Senate, and Republican Supreme Court, I do not foresee the Democrat capacity for winning elections regardless of valid votes cast to diminish in subsequent elections during which their control of the state apparatus will if anything be enhanced. I was not expecting this to happen until 2024 or even 2028 and beyond, but it appears that the Left has decided they already have American whites by the pussy and can stop with the subtle subversion and begin to transition into outright totalitarianism.

    The reason I bring up Russia is that it’s fairly obvious to me, as well as I think to many commentators here, that the ultimate political maneuver being executed in what I will loosely label as “Western Civilization” is the demographic displacement of the white race to effect its subjugation under what is supposed to be a kind of coalition of the “globalist ethny” and various amalgamated non-white races. This is already baked in the cake in the United States and Canada, and to a lesser but rapidly increasing extent Western Europe as well.

    However, the slavic lands of eastern Europe and the ethnic Russian parts of Eurasia have not even began the process of demographic replacement. It will have taken France and the UK over a century of large scale third world immigration to go from where slavic lands are demographically today to when those 2 nations will be majority minority. Clearly then a mere repeat of under the radar demographic replacement will not work in slavic countries, because by the time they demographically get to where the USA and W. Europe were in the 1990s, the latter will be fully in the throes of “minority” rule, all pretenses will be cast aside, and it will be all too evident to the slavs what fate awaits them if they too continue down the path of mass immigration.

    I’m belaboring this point in order to support my next claim, which is that the “globalist ethny” will insist on a much more rapid demographic transformation in eastern Europe than that which was afforded to western Europe. There is no question that they will simply be satisfied with North America and W. Europe and leave the slavs alone. Not only does it seem pretty obvious judging by the carefully engineered cultural zeitgeist that “white supremacy” (in other words white self-rule) is to be destroyed everywhere it is encountered, but the globalists have a long history in slavic lands and see these lands and their inhabitants as a kind of tribal birthright, particularly after they got a brief taste of what they could do with complete control in the years following 1917. They will almost certainly insist on seeing eastern Europe and Russia transformed into a land of globalist rulers, African and Muslim overseers, and slavic whores.

    Africa will be bursting at the seams with excess population over the coming decades so there will be no shortage of raw humanity to send to the slavs. As the left continues to entrench in the USA and western Europe and the hysteria over white supremacy intensifies, so will the pressure exerted on the Visegard 4 and the rest to open up their borders to refugees and other immigrants. They have stood more or less firm up to now, but realize that this has been only the gentlest of prodding and nothing compared to the internal subversion and external pressure yet to come. For the sake of brevity, my point is that the slavic-sphere sans Russia is not a viable power center and will be pressured or even outright threatened into demographic capitulation over the coming decades.

    This is why Russian elections are so important. Russia is unique among the remaining white majority countries in that at face value at least it does not already appear to be internally compromised, and has the geographical and population size, nukes, and resources to be just about immune to serious external pressure. It combined with the rest of eastern Europe could at least theoretically form a viable last redoubt for the white race even as whites in the rest of the world become a hated and powerless servant caste.

    The other reason Russian elections are so crucial is that they are up for grabs. Russia has repeatedly fallen into and out of alien control over the last hundred years. The globalist element still has a firm and powerful presence both inside the country as well as hungrily waiting at the wings in London, NYC, and Tel Aviv. It’s almost completely implausible to imagine Russia being militarily overcome by the United States and any assemblage of allies it can put together if only because of nukes, but I find it all to easy to believe that some kind of color revolution or perhaps a less dramatic Trojan Horse scenario will play out in the years to come. The resources, the sticks and the carrots the globalists can muster to try and regain control of Russia by subversion are nearly infinite. If Russia falls, the whites are finished as a free race.

    This is just how I see it. I’ve tried to be as impartial in this admittedly overlong write-up as I could. Personally, the fall of Russia is in my own personal interest because Russia, aside from being the last hope for the whites, is also the key to China. I have little doubt India stands to benefit in the case of Russia being decoupled from China, leaving China to stand alone against an alliance of which India is certain to play a part. Without guaranteed access to Russian resources, China’s dependence on sea lanes which can be shut off by America and India at will leaves it in an untenable position. But that is a topic for a different discussion. The point of this post is to try and show why watching the transfer of power from Putin will be the story of the 21st century, perhaps of the millennium.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • LOL: Thulean Friend
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  18. AaronB says:

    In the building where I work three new black tenants moved in. Nice, relaxed, polite, and intelligent people, we all talk to each other and get along great. Nobody talks about BLM or anything political at all. We also have Asians and Mexicans here. What’s interesting is just how natural and easy and normal everyone is. It really is as if race isn’t real and doesn’t exist.

    In my interactions with blacks on all levels on the streets in New York there is no tension or animosity. In the 90s blacks working for the city were known to be rude and aggressive, but now they are mostly soft and polite.

    I am beginning to think all this BLM and Woke stuff are just games certain sectors of the population like to play that dont seriously affect normal people. Or will it eventually reach normal prople? It reminds me of scenes in the West Bank where Arab rock throwers clash with Israeli troops while little girls walk to school and old men and women go about their lives as if nothing is going on.

    There is much more political violence now, but ironically American life on all levels with all races has become softer, politer, and just plain nicer than it was in the 90s. In the 90s everyone had a rude and aggressive edge to them and there was much more street violence.

    This may be a worldwide trend for the developed world. On my first trip to India in 2001 Israelis doing their post army trip were notoriously rude and aggressive, in my last trip in 2016 Israelis were quite nice and polite. OTOH, places like Thailand, China, and parts of India, seem to me to be getting ruder and angrier.

    • Replies: @Jtgw
    , @Blissex
  19. @Philip Owen

    He is barely articulate.

    He can be verbally repetitive, but it is absolutely impossible to hold the attention and support/adulation of a crowd of tens of thousands of people for 1, or even 2 hours ……without being highly articulate. He has a great ability to read people ( well American people) and high emotional intelligence – identical to Putin, which probably explains VVP’s great success and similar ability in endurance to conduct mass public discussions and Press conference that is 3-4 hours long.

    For how long can an empty fake and narcissist as Obama talk for on his own? 3 seconds?

  20. utu says:
    @AP

    “Americans have learned that the media is not to be trusted and they tune it out” – The immunity to the full spectrum propaganda by Americans is the most remarkable finding that this election revealed.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @AP
  21. Rosie says:
    4266334

    “white supremacy” (in other words white self-rule)

    This is exactly what they mean by that term. Few understand this, even in our circles.

  22. @utu

    Don’t get it all why many people are reacting as if average ordinary Trump voter is chained to a TV with CNN turned on all the day? There is more than plenty of red propaganda he is actually consuming, to say the least. btw, the same with average blue voters, just inverted.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  23. @A123

    Who is going to pay for results that are 100% guaranteed to be wrong?

    Maybe the results are wrong BECAUSE someone paid for them to be wrong.

    My impression about polls is that they tend to be extremely good when the stakes are low (like, say, in our municipal elections) but then they’re mysteriously off the mark in high stakes elections (like POTUS). This suggests that pollster firms have been using low stakes elections to build up reputation and so that they can sell influence on high stakes elections to the oligarchs who want to manipulate predictions.

    The bandwagon effect is real, humans are conformists and Trump likely lost some people because the polls and the media painted him as a sure loser. So whoever arranged the polls to be wrong might well see this as a success.

  24. SmalltaIk says:

    The bandwagon effect is real, humans are conformists and Trump likely lost some people because the polls and the media painted him as a sure loser. So whoever arranged the polls to be wrong might well see this as a success.

    But the effect of polls is unpredictable.

    Some are demoralized by polls showing a loss for their side, so they don’t vote. But by the same token, some on the other side then don’t go and vote because they assume their side is guaranteed victory.

    Moreover, some people get motivated to vote if polls predict their side losing because they feel that they have to try harder and help their candidate.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  25. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Of course I’m proud to see a Ukrainian American with such an impressive profile rise to the top of the elite in her new found homeland. On the other hand, I feel a bit saddened that Ukraine has lost another individual that it needs to create a better place for itself in this world. Hopefully, she’ll also work for the betterment of Ukrainian/US relations that will help those that she left behind.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  26. Jtgw says:
    @AaronB

    How exposed are you really to the black underclass? When your contacts are limited to people of similarly high socioeconomic status it can be easy to think race isn’t important. But stats on black crime don’t lie. One of the recurring themes on Sailers blog is that the convention wisdom on immigration or race makes a lot more sense when you don’t have to live next to poor blacks or immigrants or compete with them directly for jobs. And only certain people can afford that. But I suppose in a sense this makes the point that race alone is not the issue but rather intersection of race and class. There are certainly analogs in other parts of the world; for example, the sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland was mostly confined to the working class, while middle class Protestants and Catholics tended to get along more easily.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  27. AaronB says:
    @Jtgw

    I agree with you, and I admit there is a black underclass that is a problem. Its the minority of black people, though, so shouldn’t we talk about it in more nuanced way? Having lived around blacks in New York all my life, I’d say its maybe 15%. If middle class and up people of different races can get along very well then this is a very significant social fact, one that isn’t reflected in the discourse on this site. The issue may in fact be one of class.

    What I see on this site are intelligent people talk about how racial diversity necessarily leads to conflict and that blacks as a whole are unassimilable.

    I can tell you that the multi-racial group in my building would form a very nice and cooperative civilizational unit that would have more unity than the white nationalists on this blog who are constantly fighting each other, and easily outcompete them. And that most blacks are not only assimilable but compared to the 90s, have made strides in being assimilated.

    I’m not a supporter of the liberal utopian project of forcing races to mix and countries to import people of other races, and I am perfectly fine with countries that are majority one race and don’t think they are under any obligation to change that. I also think race may be a proxy for culture – for instance its not a good idea to bring too many aggressive Pakistani Muslims into your country, but thats a cultural issue.

    And obviously all the anti white stuff is disgusting, although it does not appear to be affecting the self confidence of whites in New York one bit, who have not suddenly become meek around other races and are a wealthy and successful and assertive group here.

  28. Jtgw says:

    I agree the fate of the neoliberal ruling consensus is an interesting topic. The trend seems to be for some kind of merger between wokeness and capital, with the woke calling off the war on the rich provided the capitalists completely capitulate on social issues.

  29. “Election Fraud” is the new “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. Obviously MAGAPedes need to 1-UP the libs. All the angry white grandpas are going to have supercuts of them shouting about fake elections soon. Mark my words.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @Ano4
  30. Shilling for Biden of all people.

    Karlin, I know you probably think you’re “ironic” or something, but what’s the point of coming here if I’m just gonna be fed the same Jewish psyop bullshit as everywhere else?

  31. Anon 2 says:

    If you want to be amused, and who doesn’t these days, check out what
    the Belarusian model Polina Karpenko said (in Russian) in her Instagram
    about a week ago. Suffice it to say, there is no love lost between the
    Russians and the Belarusians. I myself have very distant relatives in
    Belarus so I feel close to the country itself. In Poland the Belarusians are often
    regarded as Polish-adjacent since everyone knows that the term
    Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is a misnomer by modern standards
    – the word ‘Lithuanian’ refers mostly to what today is termed Belarus
    and western Ukraine. In Poland they simply say ‘Rzeczpospolita’ or
    Res Publica in Polish.

    Interestingly, in a YouTube comment a fellow from Poland said that
    someone from Belarus who is living in Poland is not regarded as
    a foreigner – we are this close.

  32. Dumbo says:

    Fraud or not, the fact that so many white men voted for Kamala Harris as president (because let’s face it, Biden is just the front, he will have to be replaced sooner or later) is an indication that America as we know it is finished.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @dfordoom
  33. Dumbo says:
    @Thulean Friend

    More proof, if any was needed, that the Government/NSA/Spy agencies and High Tech companies are basically one and the same. The only question is who owns who.

  34. @Thulean Friend

    Well, it’s the Greatest Democracy in the World (TM), so it’s totally different.

    I noticed that similar to how communists around the world supported the USSR (usually even over their own countries), or Maoists Communist China, liberals across the world support the US. And even internally, they are willing to overlook increasing oppression and censorship both at home and in the US and still claim that their idolized country is the perfect embodiment of freedom and democracy. Overall I think I now understand 20th century communists way better.

  35. @SmalltaIk

    If the pollsters really know what they are doing and are simply distorting reality, then surely they must know what effect the distortion is going to have on the population. Since they choose to inflate their own side, it probably means that this is the most effective strategy.

    • Replies: @utu
  36. Just watched full Trump press conference, got the impression it was rather subdued and peaceful by Trumpian standards, despite repeated claims of Democratic fraud, he essentially said all he is going to do at the moment is going to the courts (“will be a lots of litigation”) and even managed to blurt out that is not about who is wining – “me or Joe”, which coming from Trump, migh be as close to opening the possible door of exit as possible.

  37. @reiner Tor

    Looks like Biden is really going to be next POTUS as Putin does not want to deal with that at all, lol 🙂 But seriously would be very surprised if Putin comes down with Parkinsons sooner than Merkel.
    IIRC, there were also rumours of Putin being very sick couple of years ago, coming from some Orthodox priest, so it might be just a little bit different rehash of old tunes yet again.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  38. @AaronB

    We might say that cognition is the ultimate element of belonging, and that your tenants form a nice group of like minds. In this setting, race is diminished. Unfortunately, races in general serve to delineate cognitive and cultural difference. Most blacks won’t mix well with whites, and rural whites won’t mix with upper class whites.

  39. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    “Since they choose to inflate their own side, it probably means that this is the most effective strategy.” – It is effective. Demoralize the other side. Take away the hope of winning. If you hear every day for last several months that your candidate is 10-15 points behind you resign yourself to defeat. It works just like in Solomon Asch conformity experiment.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  40. @Anon 2

    Every day and night I pray for a new Peter I, Ivan IV or even Stalin for Russia. Someone who would crush utterly these petty nationalists and separatists, liquidate the liberals, decimate the enemies of the people and forge a great Eurasian land empire, no matter the costs…

    Actually it would help immensely Slavic birthrates too. Promotion of martial valour, Imperialism, hyper-Patriotism, being under the siege mentality, Israel is good example of this, they do feel that they are surrounded by hostile Arabs, the will to power -mentality and all the rest of goodies that come with being a part of vital and young Empire, frugality and anti-hedonism, reproductive functions of people would surely improve in such conditions, especially when the life starts to seem so fleeting when people are visibly and practically confronted with the great questions of life and death.

    Now we are stuck in this nightmare reality where the Carthage of our era has won and is paramount. But hey Ancient Carthage was ruled by the Judges known as Shofet and highest of those judges carried the title of Rab Kohanim. Business centered and mercantile empire, with mercenary armies, ruling the seas and ruled by lawyers and Cohens, where I have seen that before?

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Disagree: Mr. Hack
  41. @AaronB

    You use an example of bourgeois communal apoliticality :

    Nice, relaxed, polite, and intelligent people, we all talk to each other and get along great. Nobody talks about BLM or anything political at all.

    To make political inferences:

    I can tell you that the multi-racial group in my building would form a very nice and cooperative civilizational unit that would have more unity than the white nationalists on this blog who are constantly fighting each other, and easily outcompete them.

    All hail the Great Bourgeois Revolutionary Logic!

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  42. @reiner Tor

    Might be so. He has recently talked again about not serving until 2024 and he is more muted than he used to be.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  43. @Hyperborean

    If there are enough resources all kinds of people will get along, the true test of community is when the resources are scarce or there is state of an emergency, war, natural disaster etc, then you need deeper bonds for cooperation and cohesion that those of which AaronB talks of. But I also dont believe that White Nationalists have those kind of bonds, for now they are a rag tag band of various outliers of society.

    • Agree: Ano4, EldnahYm
  44. @Philip Owen

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  45. I’ll note that I had the most accurate election prediction on AK’s prediction thread — my view was that Trump would appear to win on the night but then see a couple of key states taken by Biden in the following days due to mail-ins and fraud. However, what has happened has gone above and beyond my expectations for blatant electioneering.

    In my opinion, the fraud is very real, and decisive in the outcome we’re seeing now. Here are some ‘red flags’ relating to fraud and this grand orchestra of election bamboozlement and fuckery.

    >The massive turnout itself, including some bizarre 90%+ turnouts in Midwestern cities.
    >Many recorded examples of dead people voting.
    >The late night spikes that were enough to close all of Trump’s leads in the Midwest and GA.
    >New dumps of mail-in ballots being ‘found’ whenever Trump appeared to lead — 50,000 in GA, 100,000 in NC, etc — just enough to take the states.
    >The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these late-night vote dumps.
    >The percentages of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the most heavily Democrat cities, even though the historical election data does not match.
    >The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue).
    >Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country.
    >Biden taking Michigan by 150,000 votes when Trump has otherwise gained with many of the groups making up large amounts of its electorate (blacks, low education, poor whites).
    >The poll observers being removed, counting centres boarded up.
    >Counters cheering as GOP observers are removed.
    >The fact that the Dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1 and them being forced to ‘observe’ from many metres away.
    >The electioneering at the polls — on video, many examples including poll workers filling in ballots themselves and trashing other ballots without the required process.
    >Violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type.
    >USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday.
    >Counts and reporting suddenly and inexplicably stopping on election night when Trump looked on course to win the remaining states.
    >The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes.
    >Biden running 10s or 100s of thousands of votes ahead of the Democrat senate candidates in swing states, elsewhere the votes for Presidential candidates closely match those for the senate.

    I know it’s fun to chuckle at the MAGA gang’s coping but this is beyond the pale. Trump should fight this to the very end. If he concedes after such a ridiculous election he deserves all the investigations and hurt coming his way in the next four years.

    • Agree: Ano4, Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @szopen
  46. utu says:
    @AltanBakshi

    “Every day and night I pray for a new Peter I, Ivan IV or even Stalin for Russia.” – God is merciful. God will not listen to your prayer. You must pray to Satan.

  47. @anonymous coward

    Begging the question of why you’re still here then.

    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  48. @sher singh

    Do Sikhs believe in Kalki like Buddhists and Hindus?

    “The Rudra Kalki Chakravartin shall come out at the end of the age, from the city the gods fashioned on mount Kailasha. He shall smite the barbarians in battle with his own four-division army, on the entire surface of the earth.”

    What about Mount Kailash, is it holy for you too?

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @Ano4
  49. I remember a few years ago Nigel Farage stood for election in Thanet South, and at the time UKIP were at their peak and many thought he would win it, but in the end he lost to the Tories quite decisively, and his loss there was basically the beginning of the end for UKIP because if he couldn’t win that seat he would never win anywhere.

    I recall Farage claiming the election and voting was fraudulent, and that “he was robbed”, and he claimed that he was going to take the Electoral Commission to court, but after a few weeks of complaining and threatening legal action in the end he just quietly conceded defeat and did nothing about it. I suspect Trump will be the same, both are all talk no action.

  50. @Anon 2

    Good to know random instathots are a sociological authority for you.

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Anon 2
  51. @Philip Owen

    So we can rest assured that Putin’s in a salubrious state. Good to know.

  52. Pericles says:
    @Philip Owen

    There now, there now, time for your gruel and a nap, Phil.

  53. Max Payne says:

    I knew covid-19 would start to die off around election time. As things return to normal I guess I’ll have less time… shit….

    Double A War:

    It looks like Azerbaijan used the distraction of the elections to launch a major offensive but Armenia also launched a counter offensive and might encircle a large Azerbaijan force (regiment+?). Armenia has been shooting down a lot of drones in the past 48 hours. At first I assumed that Azerbaijan was just launching decoys to waste up anti-air missiles but watching this major encirclement makes me believe Russia may have provided upgraded terminal sensors and/or some means of detection that can allow Armenia to finally engage these drones and are using the initiative to counter.

    For a while Armenian forces were trying to use forests for cover against drones (which is an infinite level of retardation because burning forests is hot shit awesome because fuck nature) but I guess it was just an amassing of forces before a counter offensive.

    Earlier Armenian political leadership sacked some counter-intelligence chief and a border guard general or some shit (these retardedly long titles that makes me wonder sometimes….). So I guess somewhere down the line someone woke up and realized the incompetence in the Armenian armed forces southern sector and started to make re-arrangements.

    Now to see if Azerbaijan planned to fight in the winter season. Or if they set aside reserves for situations such as this or are they down to their last? Not that Armenia is doing any better, watching some of these videos they have geezers with white hair on the front. Old men fighting is not a good sign.

    US Elections:

    If it’s true that white people didn’t come out to vote for Trump than it confirms it that whites are truly ignorant and arrogant (a potent combination). A commentator here said it best (ser seng? sir singh?) that every other PoC can be reasoned with except for white people who go full-on Muslim-level retard-fanatic over their own illiteracy. Ugh….

  54. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    But hey Ancient Carthage was ruled by the Judges known as Shofet and highest of those judges carried the title of Rab Kohanim. Business centered and mercantile empire, with mercenary armies, ruling the seas and ruled by lawyers and Cohens, where I have seen that before?

    The majority of people are not aware of the fact that the Jewish diaspora around the Mediterranean sea and on the Iberian peninsula have most probably started in the times when Punic Phoenician merchants dominated the Mediterranean trade.

    [MORE]

    On the other hand, Jewish diaspora in Central Asia, Caucasus and Black Sea region dates back to the Persian Empire of Cyrus the Great who probably viewed Yahwism as a Semitic counterpart to Aryan Mazdayasna.

    Historically speaking, Russia is way closer to the Persian or Parthian Empire than to Rome. But Russia has been subjugated by a Westernizing Elite since Raskol. The most extreme Westernizers being the Communists and their Perestroika era Young Reformer scions (a lot of them descendants of the Judeo-Bolshevik commissars).

    The history of subjugation of the Eastern Slavs by a Westernized elite is a very interesting topic. Just like the story of the subjugation of the Western Europeans and their colonial dependencies by a Judaising elite. The Jewry wouldn’t have gained control of Russia in 1917 if they did not already have the support of Western elites. Same thing about 1991.

    Interestingly enough, Stalin balanced the Jewish domination of early Soviet politics with the local populations of each Soviet Republics. But in Russia proper he ferociously suppressed Great Russian chauvinism through imposing ethnic minority people inside the upper levels of the Party. That is how USSR ended up mostly ruled by non-Russians for all of its history.

    Putin himself is a well known Judeophile. Doesn’t guarantee him from shtetle-mentality backstabbing and kvetching though.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  55. @AltanBakshi

    Do Sikhs believe in Kalki

    So you didn’t read Bodh Avatar in Dasam Bani, as Kalki Avatar is next chapter

    What is this word “believe” are you a faggot?

    Khalsa is Akal Purakh Ki Fauj
    Khalsa is Army of Kalki – Nehkalanak Avatar

    Go tell me you believe in the blue sky or water being wet next.

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  56. Ano4 says:
    @AltSerrice

    If Trump doesn’t fold, they will instigate Social unrest all up to Civil War. He knows this and will step down. He knows that otherwise his family itself will most probably be targeted. Moreover, there is a distinct possibility that already in 2016 Trump has been put in the White House by the Globalists themselves. These people are adept at long term dialectic planning. The long term goal is worldwide uniformisation with their caste at the top, substantial population reduction, control over scientific and technological advances and overall bringing consumption in balance with the biosphere regeneration capabilities. This means both US of A and RusFed must disappear as geopolitical entities. This is what should happen in the next 10 to 20 years. Possibly through bringing these two nations into a direct conflict with each other.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  57. Dumbo says:

    Conspiracy Theory Alert. Given what has transpired, that “coronavirus” and the Fakedemic were the main issues in the voters’ minds (first time a president is not reelected when the economy goes mostly well, and that despite “lockdowns”), then it makes sense that Dems would ally with China and get them to create a fake panic, that would spread all over the world, then tell them to forget about it. China and the Dems go back to the Clintons, maybe even before.

    Now if during the next months the Covid flu cases suddenly start diminishing, and the “pandemic” basically ends in January, then you know you’ve been played like a chump.

    (Yeah, that includes you Mr. Karlin).

    • Troll: Daniel Chieh
  58. @songbird

    Indian women

    Who fought Sati & ushered feminism?

    • Replies: @songbird
  59. @Ano4

    Historically speaking, Russia is way closer to the Persian or Parthian Empire than to Rome. But Russia has been subjugated by a Westernizing Elite since Raskol. The most extreme Westernizers being the Communists and their Perestroika era Young Reformer scions (a lot of them descendants of the Judeo-Bolshevik commissars).

    Sometimes you paint history with quite wide strokes. Of course all ancient Empires are very far away from the present day countries, both in ethos and pathos, but why Russia is closer to Achaemenid or Parthian Empires? At least Russia shares the faith of the Romans and has some kind of cultural link to the Medieval Roman Empire, known nowadays falsely by the name of Byzantine Empire, but outside of Russian Kaftan and some Persian style ornaments in art, what else in Russia is influenced by the ancient Persian Empires?

    Interestingly enough, Stalin balanced the Jewish domination of early Soviet politics with the local populations of each Soviet Republics. But in Russia proper he ferociously suppressed Great Russian chauvinism through imposing ethnic minority people inside the upper levels of the Party. That is how USSR ended up mostly ruled by non-Russians for all of its history.

    As you probably noticed I wrote “even Stalin.” It would be much, much better that Russia would get new Peter I, Catherine II than a new Stalin, but still Stalin would be better than all the Khruschevs, Gorbys, Brezhnevs, Yeltsins, Lenins etc. From the time of Alexander I there hasnt been many good leaders. But it means that the resiliency of Russian nation is beyond comparison, few nations can go so long with so many horrible leaders…

    • Replies: @Ano4
  60. Vladimir Putin plans to step down next year amid health concerns, report claims

    Vladimir Putin is planning to step down next year as speculation swirls in Russia that the longtime president may have Parkinson’s disease, a report said Thursday.

    Moscow political scientist Valery Solovei told The Sun that the Russian strongman’s 37-year-old girlfriend, Alina Kabaeva, and his two daughters are pushing him to leave office.

    “There is a family, it has a great influence on him. He intends to make public his handover plans in January,” Solovei told the news outlet.

    Solovei also suggested Putin may be suffering from Parkinson’s as the president has been seen recently exhibiting symptoms of the disease.

    Putin recently appeared to be in agony while appearing to constantly shift his legs, according to footage reviewed by an observer, The Sun reported.

    Reviewed footage also appeared to show his fingers twitching as he held a cup that possibly contained medicine, the report said.

    Speculation of Putin’s possible departure comes as Russian lawmakers are considering legislation proposed by the president that would grant ex-presidents lifetime immunity from criminal prosecution.

  61. @Rosie

    Did the comment you replied to get deleted?

    Anyway, you are correct, the ADL, which is very influential in shaping the national and international discourse around this issue, asserts that White nationalism is just a euphemism for White supremacy and White supremacy means White people running their own affairs with no influence from any other group, even if it is just a small sized settlement which is not persecuting people of other races via racial imperialism.

    • Thanks: Rosie
  62. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Altan, weren’t you the one, a couple of months ago, who was angrily forbidding me from mentioning this kind of thing on this forum ?

    😉

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  63. @sher singh

    https://www.searchgurbani.com/dasam-granth/page/993

    This? I read the whole page and it didnt make much sense to me, how the hell I would have known that in the next page there will be stuff about Kalki. Also it seems sometimes that the translation is somewhat awkward and incomprehensible, but Im not sure. I dont believe that 23rd Baoodha incarnation is same as Buddha, can be also mean Budha, which means Mercury in Sanskrit and is different from the Buddha. Whose incarnations these guys are by the way? 22nd is Arjuna of the Puranas, 24th is Kalki.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  64. @szopen

    Nah I just added some extra points to his, good post. Though I think he’s mistaken about the national turnout being impossibly high, this was a very charged election.

  65. @Ano4

    Yes, but you started to say that the Mlecchas or barbarians are Muslims or so I do remember. I try to keep harmony between authentic faiths. Yes If we are going to bash Salafis or Calvinists, then the case is different, or that some Muslim groups like to destroy other religions statues and stuff like that. There is enough anger between religions and cultures, so finding some cryptic and esoteric statements from the ancient scriptures and claiming that there will be some kind of religious war based on that – will not make things better or help anything!

    But I am sorry if you now think that I have double standards, so I will not make more comments about the Kalki.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  66. @Ano4

    Social unrest hopes are probably cope. Its unlikely that the US will experience anything like a mass sudden breakdown.

    The continuing hollowing out of social trust, though, will have immense downstream effects.

  67. @A123

    Trust the Q plan.

    • Replies: @A123
  68. @Daniel Chieh

    This is made worse by the lockdown, as more people are spending more time on social media, which we know to be totally controlled and designed to push as much chaos as possible.

  69. @anonymous coward

    He just happens to be consistently correct. You are his opposite.

    • Agree: AP
  70. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    the Mlecchas or barbarians are Muslims

    Not exactly. Our discussion with AaronB started when I countered his anti Islamic tropes with a simple remark about Judaism and Islam being closer together than Judaism and Christianity have ever been. I have also added that Jews and Arabs will end up getting along just fine and collaborating in steering the Whites against an East-Asian civilization.

    [MORE]

    Think of Abrahamic religions” masses dominated by a (pseudo?)Islamic elite.

    Imagine “Judeo-Christian ” masses ruled by a ” Muslim Caliph” with cohanim lineage on his mother’s side.

    Would be perfect, no?

  71. AP says:
    @utu

    Also and related, Democrats outspent Republicans by hundreds of millions of dollars. So to a large extent Americans weren’t bought, either.

  72. Ano4 says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Social unrest hopes are probably cope

    I was only referring to Left driven social unrest. This is a possibility if Trump intends to attempt staying in the White House. If he steps down there will be little to no protest from the MAGA sheeple. Conservatives are well known cucks. Although some “White Supremacist” terrorism would be quite valuable as a pretext to crack down on White Nationalist dissidents.

    The continuing hollowing out of social trust, though, will have immense downstream effects.

    In the future Harmonious Globalistan there should be no “indispensable nations”, American nation must be brought down for the globalization to succeed. So all is well if Americans are divided and distrustful of each other.

    Same for Russians.

  73. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    From the social organization point of view (perhaps even cultural point of view) Byzantium was closer to their Sassanid adversaries than to early Roman republic. Byzantium was an Eastern Empire.

    Parthians were very much Hellenistic.

    Being Hellenistic is not the same as being Western.

    (Also, Holly Russia ended with Raskol.)

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AltanBakshi
  74. Seeing an ad blitz all over Stockholm’s billboards for the military. Apparently, there is a big recruitment drive going on. It sort of makes me laugh: our only credible military threat is Russia which A) would never realistically invade and B) if they did we’d have no chance anyway. Waste of money.

    Stockholm this time of year is absolutely beautiful. Autumn is my favourite season and actually having seasons is something you take for granted in Northern Europe. I remember seeing a Lewis Black comedy skit some years ago where he was doing his routine in Minnesota and made fun of them for moving from Scandinavia and of all the places they settled it had to be one of the coldest places in the US. Escaping from the cold into the cold. But it makes sense. I can tolerate -25 C much better than I can tolerate +25 C. I’m still using sandals in November.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @songbird
  75. Blissex says:
    @AaronB

    «American life on all levels with all races has become softer, politer, and just plain nicer than it was in the 90s. In the 90s everyone had a rude and aggressive edge to them and there was much more street violence.»

    There is a credible claim that much of that change is due to the switch to lead-free gasoline.

    Besides that, “race” is a very small factor if any, culture is much stronger determinant.
    The most telling story I found is about black orphans given to foster parents: when the parents are black the children do badly at school and are “rough”, and when the parents are white the children do well and are socially skilled, and this has been observed about the *same* children as they change foster parents from black to white and back to white. I haven’t read about *white* children switching between black and white foster parents, but I would expect the same, because white children raised by their own “underclass” white parents often do badly at school and are “rough”.

    My personal impression is that black foster parents are not evil, they have a culture where they believe that being black means a miserable life of discrimination, and the foster children “feel” it.

  76. @Thulean Friend

    “I can tolerate -25 C much better than I can tolerate +25 C. I’m still using sandals in November.”

    Cut the bullshit, Stockholm has nice and temperate continental climate, it doesnt have very cold winters and -25 C is quite rare in Stockholm. Been there many, many times, not a cold place, I just checked and there has never been -30 C or lower in Stockholm. Of course you can use sandals if the day temperature is still +15 or +16 C. I have had colder Junes than that.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  77. AP says:
    @Ano4

    Yes, IIRC Spengler in his poetic way classified Byzantium alongside Persians and Arabs as “Magian” rather than Classical, though it’s been 20 years since I read him.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @AltanBakshi
  78. @Ano4

    Of course being Hellenistic is not same as Western, who thinks so?

    Eastern Roman Empire had greater continuation with Roman traditions than the Medieval and Modern Western propaganda claims. It was almost carbon copy of the Christian Roman Empire of the Constantine the Great. One should claim that the Christian Roman Empire was quite far removed from its republican roots, and not project that to the Medieval Roman Empire.

    Holy Russia ended with Raskol? I dont believe so, Nikonian reforms have been exaggerated, yes there were mad Russian fanatical hillbillies of those times, but they werent so catastrophical to traditional Russian culture.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  79. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Old Believers were right. Nikonian Church were cucks. A generation later Nikonians accepted the Synod upon them.

    Protopope Avvakum was Russian, Peter the great bot so much.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  80. @AltanBakshi

    I dont believe that 23rd Baoodha incarnation is same as Buddha, can be also mean Budha, which means Mercury in Sanskrit and is different from the Buddha.

    That’s a good point but Bodh Ji is considered as Ram Avatar so therefore Vishnu Avatar

    Yea the english is horrid, too literal.
    Idk I thought ud check chapter index or it stretched onto next page.

    Chaubis Avatar of Vishnu there’s also Rudra Avatar there||

    http://www.damdamitaksalitaly.it/Pages/Audio/Gurbani%20Ucharan/SEHAJ%20PATH%20SRI%20DASAM%20GRANTH%20SAHIB%20(BHAI%20KABAL%20SINGH%20JI).html

    track 33 there is Budh Avatar, def Buddha since Bodh Ji preached indifference to world (Maya/Samsara)||

    Idk, but you don’t believe in Dharma you practice it.
    The Gods are real, as are we||

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  81. songbird says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The primary purpose of a military is to discourage revolution and keep the elites in power. It may also be useful during natural disasters, to be able to call on regimented manpower, but that is quite secondary, a justification for the primary.

    I remember seeing a Lewis Black comedy skit some years ago

    Lewis Black is awful (I’ve seen him in person). A good demonstration of how political comedy of a leftward bent isn’t comedy at all, but a strange social phenomenon, where people laugh because being part of the group is a stress-reliever or something.

    I can tolerate -25 C much better than I can tolerate +25 C.

    Why larp as a woolie? You can’t be serious. +25 C is a perfectly comfortable temperature is you dress appropriately and avoid strenuous activity during peak sun.

    -25 C is pretty cold. Are you going to pretend that there is no wind on top of that? That you can dress in four layers and not be roasted alive when you go into a building with heat? It is absurd, and nobody believes it.

  82. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    Yes, Hellenistic civilization blended perfectly into the Middle Eastern and Central Asian traditions. They were very close, as close as USSR and the West during the Cold War.

    BTW, if not of the Mazdakism, the Sassanid would have had the upper hand. Mazdak was the Persian Lenin, with the difference that Persians managed to kill him. But the damage was done. That is why Sassanid Sassanid Empire crumbled under Arab blows a couple of generations later.

  83. I was wondering, a lot has been said about violence against whites in South Africa, and some say it’s genocide, but is it actually fundamentally any worse than crime against whites in other high crime countries with a white minority, such as Brazil?

    I guess cases where white Brazilians are victimised by non-whites wouldn’t typically be seen as having a racial element, because Brazil socially seems to be a lot more deracinated than South Africa, but are white Brazilians actually victimised by non-whites to a lesser extent than white South Africans are by blacks?

    Also, it seems to be common for white Brazilians to move to Portugal, like it is common for white South Africans to move to the UK/other Western countries which perhaps implies that they’re fleeing similar conditions.

  84. songbird says:
    @sher singh

    Who fought Sati & ushered feminism?

    A strong, centralized Indian state would have banned sati anyway, just as the Chinese banned foot-binding.

    It is a mistake to think of feminism merely as an abstract, alien idea, promulgated by Westerners. Feminism is a corruption that originates with the wealth of modern civilization. The West was the first modern civilization, and so it is prey to the highest gradient of feminism. Radical egalitarians try to level gradients, and that is why people try to promulgate it in Third World countries.

    Who is to say that is damaging though? You may need to be infected with it to develop immunity, and it might be better and easier to develop immunity, when one is a poorer society.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @sher singh
  85. @AP

    Wasnt it Apollonian and not Classical?

    I still havent read his Preussentum und sozialismus….

  86. @songbird

    I believe that without the West, East Asian societies would have never invented Feminism. Only a post-Christian society, which has replaced narcissistically God with a human individual as a center of existence, could have created something like that.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @songbird
  87. @AltanBakshi

    yeah, I am pretty sure Jews created Carthage, Jared told me so

  88. @sher singh

    But Buddha did not preach indifference – he taught discernment. He taught about the good actions, which bear bad fruit and bad actions, which will bear bad fruit. He taught resilience and diligence as an antidote against the fleeting phenomena of Samsara.

    Strange that his mothers name was Mahamaya, great Maya, never understood that.

    Yes we practice Dharma, but still its nitpicking when you attach so much importance to one word that I used in a sentence. Would you nitpick if I would say that we dont believe in Sharia, or that we believe that there are many worlds?

    Yes Gods are real as we are, not arguing about that.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  89. @songbird

    Wear a good quality overcoat and you can easily manage temperature changes. People from the 1940’s knew how to dress.

  90. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    The Catholic view is that original sin affects us all.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @sher singh
  91. @AltanBakshi

    -25 C is quite rare in Stockholm

    What makes you think I spend all winter in the capital?

    Of course you can use sandals if the day temperature is still +16 C.

    I find I can use them down to about +5 C if there’s no rain or much wind, which means most of the autumn here until Yule.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  92. A123 says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Trust the Q plan.

    Putin used the plan first.

    Are you suggesting that PUTIN = QANON?

    First time I have heard that one… But it would explain your declaration that “Putin Plan” = “Q Plan”.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  93. @Philip Owen

    The speculation about alleged illnesses is interesting, but I really don’t understand your comments about Pocahontas.

    Elizabeth Warren absurdly claimed to be an Indian, and Trump made fun of her for this.

    What exactly is your angle?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  94. A123 says:

    Beat CNN and WaPo to the punch by generating your own hoax stories about Trump.

    https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/the-kube-launches-hoaxgen-t21943.html

    Donald Trump cruelly colluded with the Russians against unwashed homeless people while talking to Putin. There were 5 anonymous witnesses.

    Donald Trump ignorantly drank the blood of hungry White House press corps while colluding with Russian hookers. There were 11 anonymous witnesses.

    Results guaranteed to be more believable than MSNBC!

    PEACE 😇

  95. @songbird

    You can’t be serious. +25 C is a perfectly comfortable temperature is you dress appropriately and avoid strenuous activity during peak sun.

    I hit max comfyness around +10-15 C. After +18 C, I start to sweat. Thankfully, I don’t sweat much but it’s uncomfortable.

    -25 C is pretty cold. Are you going to pretend that there is no wind on top of that? That you can dress in four layers and not be roasted alive when you go into a building with heat?

    The only real constraint is your facial skin. If its windy, then yes, it gets worse but it isn’t too windy where I go. Four layers of clothes is absurd. Three is enough, and that would include your jacket. -25C is not super comfortable, but I prefer it over +25 C. I have control over how my body will react far more in the cold than in the heat because I can regulate my clothing. In the heat, you can’t really go with less than a T-shirt and shorts and if it’s still too warm you’re shit outta luck. That constraint is far less of an issue in the cold.

    As mentioned above, I don’t spend all my winter in Stockholm. I actually miss seeing real snow, which is unfortunately an increasingly rare sight these days.

  96. @Thorfinnsson

    Incidentally:

    Clearly actual NA’s dgaf.

  97. Stream of thought on the post-US election:

    – Biden will be one of the lamest of lame duck presidents. The senate will be 50-50 at worst. This means that ‘court stacking’ will go nowhere.

    – If the senate by some miracle gets some bipartisan bill through, SCOTUS will act as a reactionary brake. The genteel treatment ACB received is no happenstance. The DNC elites are silenty satisfied that they have perfect excuses of not doing anything, which they planned all along. They are the status quo power.

    – The biggest loser of the election will be the mainstream media. They have permanently lost half the country and even a rising share of genuinely left-wing/independent voices are starting to read folks like Greenwald or watch Jimmy Dore over them.

    – There will never be accountability over the Russiagate truthers populating the media, just as there wasn’t over the Iraqi WMD propaganda. In the media, you fail upwards. Honesty is penalised. What’s important is how faithfully you pursued the party line, not whether you told the truth.

  98. @songbird

    Every ideology is a product of specific societal, cultural and civilizational conditions. I dont claim that Asian countries cant produce negative or destructive ideologies, but they will be different, like the Maoism or emperor worship of State Shinto, in the west such collectivist ideologies have never gained total control over society. Not at least in my knowledge.

    • Replies: @songbird
  99. @Anatoly Karlin

    You have a point. This place makes even Vox Day’s clown posse look like an intellectual salon.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  100. @Thulean Friend

    Okay, okay you are a tough guy, I wouldnt use sandals in +5 C.

    -25C is still pleasant if there is not much wind, thats true.I would say that -25C is better than +30C, but not better than +25C. Oh well jedem das seine.

    • Replies: @songbird
  101. A123 says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Looking pretty bad for Team China:
     

     
    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  102. @anonymous coward

    Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

    • LOL: A123
  103. Ano4 says:

    From ReDVL telegram channel (translated through Google with slight modifications).

    Another small sketch on the consumption of the “golden million”. In 2019, Norilsk Nickel paid out more than $ 4.8 billion in dividends to its shareholders: https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2020/04/07/827388-nornikel with a net profit of $ 6 billion (that is, officially and legally almost 80% of the net profit went to offshore). In 2018, they withdrawn about $ 3.3 billion. This year, interim dividends have already amounted to $ 1.2 billion, and by the end of 2020 they will clearly not be less than $ 2.5-3 billion (while tax rates on dividends in the Russian Federation are 2-3 times lower than in most Western countries).

    In just the last 20 years, the “owners” of Norilsk Nickel have withdrawn about $ 40-50 billion in dividends from offshore companies. In addition, at least $ 100-150 billion was unofficially withdrawn from the company, which settled on the accounts of special traders of Norilsk Nickel abroad (such as Norimet in the UK). And then we are told that “the oligarchs have nothing to do with it, we should not count their money.”

    Of course, if Usmanov, Potanin and Deripaska had built Norilsk Nickel with their own money, had invested everything from geological exploration to the construction of factories, there would have been no debate. This is their business and there is nothing to “get deliruous” about other people’s dividends. But all these representatives of the “league of outstanding businessmen”, as they are obsequiously called in some Forbes, have not invested a dime in this business.

    Generally speaking. Norilsk Nickel was built at the expense of not just gigantic, but monstrous investments in Soviet times and at the beginning – by the labor of Gulag prisoners. Any shopkeeper in North Eurasia understands more in business than KGBists Potanin or Deripaska, which business just stupidly fell into their hands (not to them personally, of course, because these little cunts are just “watchmen””).

    And since in 2020, from the financial and fiscal perspectives, the Russian Federation unexpectedly found itself in the future – but not far off, but let’s say, in 2025-2027 – even some of the elites yelled “where’s the money?”: https://www.business-gazeta.ru/news/ 485379. Because the money suddenly ran out right now. But the Putin regime cannot do anything with Norilsk Nickel, just as it cannot solve anything with the same Rusal, which has long and firmly belonged to Anglo-American business. #business #economics

    A lot of people do not seem to understand that Russia is completely integrated into the globalized economy and is playing the role of a natural resources provider for Western and Chinese industries and a source of easy money for the financial global elites According to the estimates of Vladislav Zhukovsky since 2008 some US $ 850 billion have been transferred from RusFed to the West.

    Despite whatever Western MSM pretend, Russians are not independent players. And they are not competing against the globalized West.

    A question remains; why is NATO preparing its forces on the Russian borders?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  104. Mr. Hack says:
    @A123

    Is that Xi Jinping deftly trying to remove Biden’s wallet with his right hand?

  105. My election thoughts:

    • The FRONTLASH effect predicted by Nemets was real, but the only battleground state in which it manifested was Minnesota

    • The election was lost (possibly–do not give up hope) owing to Trump losing support with Northern rural whites, in particular older white men

    • Trump’s solid gains amongst hispanics augur well for the future of the GOP as a viable national party

    • Likewise, Trump’s collapse with college-“educated” whites call into question the Sailer Strategy (though not his affordable family foundation hypothesis)

    • Even if Ice Cream Joe won fairly, or fairly enough, Trump should fight like hell and exhaust every strategy to deny victory to The Enemy. Fortunately he is likely to do just that

    • Nationalism, populism, and “Trumpism” were not decisively rebuked by the electorate. Wokeism, however, was

    …and lastly, while the election was a farce which many in and outside of the United States are laughing at, it performed a very valuable role in legitimizing the regime by being entertaining and emotionally engaging. People have the illusion of a great, dramatic value in which their participation matters and has a meaningful effect on how the country is governed. In this sense the election has helped to obscure the real lesson of the Trump Presidency.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin, AP
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  106. @Thorfinnsson

    • Trump’s solid gains amongst hispanics augur well for the future of the GOP as a viable national party

    Terrible news

    • Replies: @AP
  107. AP says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Why? Rejection of decent Latinos now, is as shortsighted as rejection of decent Ellis island immigrants would have been by nativists 100 years ago.* What would have been the fate of a political movement that limited itself to WASPs only?

    *This is not to say that a mass flood of either one is/was necessarily a good thing.

  108. @Ano4

    Yes they were right, but its pure autism to be so attached to being right in such minuscule matters, that one is ready to die for it or even worse to plunge whole society in chaos. As a sinful man i can never be sure, but I think that the original Starovery had too much pride. Nikonian reforms didnt change core Orthodox theology in anyway, just some external details in rituals.

    Accepting synod was worse from the Orthodox point of view, and Church lost much of its prestige, it almost became an institution of state, just like the Lutheran churches of Germany and Scandinavia. Probably one of key reasons why there wasnt stronger support in behalf of Church during the Civil war and early Soviet rule. Still in the Roman Empire, it was the emperor who called Church councils and often appointed bishops, so at least not unrepresented in the history of the Church. There even were many Popes who needed first confirmation from the Emperor, before they could sit on a papal throne.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @AP
  109. @AltanBakshi

    Damn, I meant good actions which bear good fruit, not bad. Shameful mistake. Better to let the Scion of Solar race speak himself:

    The Blessed One said, “Monks, I will teach you noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions. Listen, and pay close attention. I will speak.”

    “Yes, lord,” the monks responded to him.

    The Blessed One said: “Now what, monks, is noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions? Any singleness of mind equipped with these seven factors—right view, right resolve, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, & right mindfulness—is called noble right concentration with its supports & requisite conditions.
    “Of those, right view is the forerunner. And how is right view the forerunner? One discerns wrong view as wrong view, and right view as right view. This is one’s right view. And what is wrong view? ‘There is nothing given, nothing offered, nothing sacrificed. There is no fruit or result of good or bad actions. There is no this world, no next world, no mother, no father, no spontaneously reborn beings; no contemplatives or brahmans who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.’ This is wrong view.


    “And what is right view? Right view, I tell you, is of two sorts: There is right view with effluents, siding with merit, resulting in acquisitions [of becoming]; there is right view that is noble, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

    “And what is the right view with effluents, siding with merit, resulting in acquisitions? ‘There is what is given, what is offered, what is sacrificed. There are fruits & results of good & bad actions. There is this world & the next world. There is mother & father. There are spontaneously reborn beings; there are contemplatives & brahmans who, faring rightly & practicing rightly, proclaim this world & the next after having directly known & realized it for themselves.’ This is the right view with effluents, siding with merit, resulting in acquisitions.

    “And what is the right view that is noble, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path? The discernment, the faculty of discernment, the strength of discernment, analysis of qualities as a factor for awakening, the path factor of right view in one developing the noble path whose mind is noble, whose mind is without effluents, who is fully possessed of the noble path. This is the right view that is noble, without effluents, transcendent, a factor of the path.

    “One makes an effort for the abandoning of wrong view & for entering into right view: This is one’s right effort. One is mindful to abandon wrong view & to enter & remain in right view: This is one’s right mindfulness. Thus these three qualities — right view, right effort, & right mindfulness — run & circle around right view.

    https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.117.than.html#s1

    For some reason Western translators of Buddhists texts always translate Aryan to noble. Spontaneously reborn doesnt mean that out from air or from nowhere, but that beings are not in control or cant consciously decide their rebirths, so uncontrolled rebirth would be a better choice.

  110. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Supply and Demand

    “Election Fraud” is the new “Trump Derangement Syndrome”.

    It does seem that way.

  111. Dmitry says:
    @Ano4

    why is NATO preparing its forces

    Raison d’être for job security and funding for defense and military industry in NATO countries, is Russia’s independent foreign policy and military industry, and – vice-versa.

    It’s in interests of people in both sides to maintain this theatre, and it’s also a little like sarcasm on the internet, where neither is completely sure how serious they are. Although with the Russian policy, there are often a knowing smile across the divide.

    In NATO side, in particular, there is an intentional and self-interested “hypersensitivity”. Perhaps there might be narcissistic hysteria clown performance by Zhirinovsky, and in response in Estonia they not desensitized enough to avoid the motivation to start sending emails to arrange another defense conference. Employees can apply for funding, they meet their friends from other countries – they book into hotels, they book an evening in the restaurant, etc. Note how much international defense organizations, also resemble group package vacations, and involve an excuse to meet and make friends across neighbouring countries.

    To explain something about the international situation, I assume every adult knows.

    Russia is completely integrated into the globalized economy

    Economic integration is not a bad thing – it’s part of how the economy has re-attained a middle income level.

    Nornikel has some gothic sinister aspect in its feudal conflicts between Potanin, Deripaska and Abramovich, and the captivity of citizen’s health. But the fact they export their product is at least good for the balance of payments.

    And then there are more scary companies like Uralasbest, where the more you export globally, the better locally (you don’t want their product used domestically).

    • Replies: @Ano4
  112. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    Fraud or not, the fact that so many white men voted for Kamala Harris as president

    There’s one reality that people around these parts will never accept – there is no such thing as “white people.” There are liberals who happen to be white. There are conservatives who happen to be white. There are neocons who happen to be white. There are antifa loons who happen to be white. There are neo-nazi nutters who happen to be white. There are Christians who happen to be white. There are heterosexuals who happen to be white. There are homosexuals who happen to be white. There are envirofascists who happen to be white. There are urban hipsters who happen to be white. There are rural folks who happen to be white.

    Being white is just not a core part of the identity of most people who are white. It never will be. Because white people don’t work that way. For white people class, religion, ideology, culture, sexual preference, views on the environment – these are the things that matter. To a certain extent, for some white people, ethnic identity matters but they see it in terms of culture, not race.

    White people do not see themselves as members of a White Race. They never will.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  113. @AP

    Why? Rejection of decent Latinos now, is as shortsighted as rejection of decent Ellis island immigrants would have been by nativists 100 years ago.* What would have been the fate of a political movement that limited itself to WASPs only?

    *This is not to say that a mass flood of either one is/was necessarily a good thing.

    Whatever the present situation I think this is a faulty interpretation of the past contradicted by historical actualised American legislation:

    The 1921 Emergency Quota Act restricted immigration to 3% of foreign-born persons of each nationality that resided in the United States in 1910.

    The Immigration Act of 1924, also called the National Origins Act, provided that for three years the formula would change from 3% to 2% and the basis for the calculation would be the census of 1890 instead of that of 1910. [i.e. cutting off the whole Ellis Island generation] After June 30, 1927, total immigration from all countries will be limited to 150,000, with allocations by country based upon national origins of inhabitants according to the census of 1920. The quota system applied only to non-Asian immigrants. It aimed to reduce the overall number of unskilled immigrants, to allow families to re-unite, and to prevent immigration from changing the ethnic distribution of the population. The 1924 Act also included the Asian Exclusion Act, which limited immigration to persons eligible for naturalization. As a result, East Asians and South Asians were effectively banned from immigrating. Africans were also subjected to severe restrictions.[1] Immigration from North and South America was not restricted.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Origins_Formula

    • Replies: @AP
  114. Dmitry says:
    @Vivek

    Russian elections will now be the word’s most important

    Elections are not important in Russia. It’s a one-party democracy for both better or worse (if the comparison is to America, then it’s easy to see the benefits of the one-party state – bipartisan elections are having culturally degrading effect in American society).

    The one-party democracy can be a good compromise situation, and it will often leads to similar pathway as two-party state, just with a less destabilizing “oscillating” motion.

    is the demographic displacement of the white race

    I find this rhetoric about “displacement of the white race” a little absurd, and reminds of the dialogue of the bald characters in the film American History X. However, problems of open borders and mass immigration are a reality in most developed countries, and very annoying, and Russia has one of the most negatively effecting ones.

    In the last 20 years in Russia, there is mass immigration across the postsoviet countries, including both informal and formal open border systems (the latter especially is favourite project of Putin). This labour movement in the last decades, is mirror of the situation in the USA and EU, and with similar lack of filtration. In Russia, lack of selective immigration system, contributes in my opinion very evidently and directly to problems – e.g. injection drug use carried along the silk road from Central Asia, with resulting HIV epidemic, and Islamic terrorism. There is more postmodern contrast when ISIS is in beautiful architecture city like Vienna, but the same ISIS cells moved not differently into outskirt of industrial cities in Russia.

    the fall of Russia is in my own personal interest because Russia, aside from being

    Russia was falling in many ways in the 1990s, but in the last decades it converges upwards, towards the European average level, and now in the middle income we saw the attracting a mirror of slightly “first world problems” that are evident in a more developed and extreme form in Europe.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    , @Vivek
  115. Ano4 says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Nikonian reforms didnt change core Orthodox theology in anyway, just some external details in rituals.

    Replace Nikonian with Uniate and here you have it, you are reproducing the arguments made by AP in defense of the Greco Catholic Ukrainian Church.

    It took nearly two hundred years for the Holstein Gottorp Romanovs (a branch of the Oldenburg house) to completely subdue Old Believer resistance. Remember that the Russian peasants have been completely enserfed only under Piter the great, while Little Russian peasants have been enserfed under Catherine the great. If the Church would not have been reformed, the Westernization of Russia and the exploitation of the Russian masses by an aristocracy that was largely not even of Russian descent would have not been possible.

    IMHO the reason Tsars Alexander III and Nicholas II have been murdered, was because they freed the Russian masses, started restoring Russia to its roots and had a generally Slavophile policies.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  116. @dfordoom

    Being white is just not a core part of the identity of most people who are white. It never will be. Because white people don’t work that way. For white people class, religion, ideology, culture, sexual preference, views on the environment – these are the things that matter. To a certain extent, for some white people, ethnic identity matters but they see it in terms of culture, not race.

    White people do not see themselves as members of a White Race. They never will.

    I am wary of Americanisation that attempts turn Europe into merely another mini-USA, but even so hearing this from an Australian is amusing:

    Attorney-General Alfred Deakin, 12 September 1901:

    That end, put in plain and unequivocal terms … means the prohibition of all alien coloured immigration, and more, it means at the earliest time, by reasonable and just means, the deportation or reduction of the number of aliens now in our midst. The two things go hand in hand, and are the necessary complement of a single policy — the policy of securing a ‘white Australia’.

    https://www.nma.gov.au/defining-moments/resources/white-australia-policy

  117. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Still in the Roman Empire, it was the emperor who called Church councils and often appointed bishops, so at least not unrepresented in the history of the Church

    Sure, but Peter and Catherine weren’t exactly devout Christian paragons; I doubt they were even religious at all, unlike EasternRoman Emperors.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  118. @AP

    I was referring to the survival of the Latino race. I do not think that Latinos merging with Whites to create a Mestizo underclass is a good thing in itself, but it would be good if they combined into pick-up truck race to defeat DC-lawyer-girlboss race.

    I hope American Conservatism dies because it leads British right-wing politics in all sorts of bad directions and its influence on us has only increased since Trump became president. The same thing has happened on the libtard side, for instance asking Boris for his opinion on vote counting.

  119. @Dmitry

    I find this rhetoric about “displacement of the white race” a little absurd

    Given that you are a deracinated Russian Jew, this doesn’t really surprise me.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  120. EldnahYm says:
    @AP

    What would have been the fate of a political movement that limited itself to WASPs only?

    Well, at least in one case the fate was FBI infiltration and a shuttering of the organization.

    The best way to get Latino votes is to become the “free stuff” party. Contrary to what is often claimed, Blacks are not really “free stuff” voters. They’re one party loyalists who lack money to fund agendas, so there is no incentive for the Democrats to give them anything.

  121. Ano4 says:
    @Dmitry

    What is the structure of ownership of major Russian industries? How much did these owners really invest into these industries? Why are the earnings of these industries exported abroad ?

    Fact is, the privatization in Russia has never been about the economy or development.

  122. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    The lowest temperature that I consider pleasant is about -5 or -6 C. That is on a sunny day, assuming a moderate level of physical activity. I can enjoy being outside in colder times, but only for short stretches and under conditions of heavy activity.

    Granted, my ancestry is concentrated from areas moderated by the Gulf Stream, I think if people truly enjoyed -25 C, the population density map of the globe would be different.

  123. Dmitry says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Israel is good example of this

    When I was visiting in Israel in 2018, there was a sense of positive dynamics and optimistic atmosphere (it won’t be true this year though, as Israel has been raped by coronavirus in 2020).

    However, I’m not sure the reason for the dynamic atmosphere, was related to “hyper-nationalism” and “hostile Arabs”. It felt much more directly, that it was because of an industrial transition, as the country is currently moving into first world, and there are skyscrapers growing like mushrooms.

    I sensed the “exciting optimistic atmosphere” of an chaotic third world country in process of industrializing and giving birth to a more organized first world society. Probably it’s a similar atmosphere in China and South Korea at the moment.

    This is a particular historical stage of a country’s life, and I felt in 2018 that Israel is such a moment, and that it was interesting to be able to witness such a transition. It might feel like (on a much smaller country scale) Italy or Japan in the 1960s. (Many 1960s films in Italy capture this kind of exciting atmosphere of modernization that was in the country at the time).

    In terms of conflict with Arabs – this is contributing a constant negative political atmosphere in Israel, and haunts a bit the streets with violence and death. It pushes the politics into a more rightwing direction, but I don’t know if this necessarily in an optimistic way. A lot of Israeli workers emigrate because of the conflict.

    Promotion of martial valour, Imperialism, hyper-Patriotism, being under the siege mentality,

    Armenia has all of this, and yet their main problem is Armenians don’t want live there. Even in more successful (or slightly less unsuccessful) country Ukraine, the hyper nationalism has not always resulted in the best life choices.

    These ideologies can be symptom of a rising power (the nationalism accompanying the industrial rise of Germany or USA in the late 19th century), but they are not a panacea or sufficient condition for a successful country – and they can be found in failed countries as well.

    I much prefer, the rulers will focus (including in their rhetoric) on the basic things, like investing in science and technology, and providing good jobs for the young people, if they don’t want mass emigration.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  124. Dmitry says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    We are on a brown man’s forum, hosted by a Middle Eastern looking Jew’s website, sending electronic messages between a discussion of Hindus and Buddhists. Mixed between the messages, we also have Chinese people and a Kent Nationalist (who dates Moroccans if I recall). I’m quite sure I’m the whitest man here, perhaps behind to AP considering his music tastes.

    Saying that the problem in Russia is “displacement of the white race” sounds too funny to me in this context, and would require me to be a lot more deracinated, postmodern and Jewish to write without noting the irony of this forum. Besides, the immigration problem in Russia which results in ISIS cells in the outskirts of the city – the last ISIS militant was a Russian man who had converted to Islam. And then a lot of them are Chechens, which nationality includes a lot of racially white people. I’d prefer not to live next to white Islamist Chechens, even if it wouldn’t be displacing the white race.

    The problem in Russia parallels a bit, but is not the same as the problem of the kind of characters in American History X, whose basketball court is taken by the African Americans. It’s a problem created by open borders immigration system not particular skin colours.

    • LOL: Ano4, Blinky Bill
  125. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Every ideology is a product of specific societal, cultural and civilizational conditions.

    The seed of many ideologies is base power dynamics – the competition for resources. Since prehistoric times, the lowest social units required both men and women. I believe, aggressive women have always attempted to organize and steal resources from men, or to otherwise induce them to give them resources. Feminism is just the modern form of this dynamic which once existed in caves. Created by the accumulation of resources on an industrial scale, and women organizing on greater levels, than ever before, assisted by new forms of communication and transportation.

    It is possible that Europeans are more susceptible to it – I by no means deny the possibility – but I doubt it required a European genesis. Not to mention, any comparison we can make cannot be a direct one, but must be confused, because we are never comparing apples to apples. Europe and East Asia differ radically with regard to two circumstances.

    One is that while parts of East Asia may have similar levels of wealth, Europe has been developed for longer. It has had more time for corruption to spread, and might be considered to be in a later stage of corruption.

    The second is that diversity obviously exacerbates feminism. Radical women form alliances with foreigners to give each their power. Europe is far less geographically isolated than East Asia. The Himalayas help separate China. Korea is a peninsula. Japan an archipelago. SE Asia, while differing, is a gradient of ancient migration from agricultural China. All of it is further from Africa.

    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @AltanBakshi
  126. @Dmitry

    Russians are POC, but we are not brown. Please don’t Jewsplain us.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  127. Ano4 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    All Russians are POC but some are more coloured than others.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  128. Mr. Hack says:

    Photos didn’t take; please delete this comment and previous two. (the comment didn’t immediateoly post, don’t know why?)

  129. Vivek says:
    @Dmitry

    I find this rhetoric about “displacement of the white race” a little absurd, and reminds of the dialogue of the bald characters in the film American History X. However, problems of open borders and mass immigration are a reality in most developed countries, and very annoying, and Russia has one of the most negatively effecting ones.

    The attempt to trivialize and ridicule the topic by off-hand allusion to dialogue in an overdone Hollywood movie was well played, I’ll give you that. In all seriousness though, what exactly do you find absurd about the statement “displacement of the white race?” I am personally quite in favor of this outcome yet I myself have no problem discussing it openly and honestly in a forum such as this one, where frank discussion of phenomena I am in favor of does not pose any threat to the continuation of said phenomena (as opposed to, for example, if I were to discuss it on national television or even twitter).

    It seems obvious that the white race is being demographically displaced in virtually all areas of the world where it is currently in the majority except up to this point, eastern Europe. There is no disputing the fact that whites will become a minority in the United States and Canada well before 2050 and if current trends continue, as they are well on track to, a similar thing will happen to the nations of western Europe although at a slightly later date. It’s also inarguable that this mass immigration is a process that is deliberately driven by the ruling elites, since there is certainly no organic, populist demand for !MORE IMMIGRATION! among the general public in the nations being subjected to it. On the contrary, mass immigration is wildly unpopular and is being forced on people who want none of it.

    Given that both those tenets are true, I cannot imagine how you could argue against the notion that displacement of the white race IS happening and IS being purposely engineered by the ruling class. This isn’t some kind of wild, crazy 10-D chess I am trying to conjure up, it’s just simple conquest. Most of the time if you want to enslave a people you have to go in there with an army, defeat them in battle, and take them as a spoil of war. It just shows how stupid and cattle-like the whites are that they have allowed themselves to be overcome without a shot fired through ridiculously transparent propaganda. Of course, once the enemy is fully inside the gates the propaganda will be dispensed with and the whites will see that they are on the wrong end of a very trigger happy whip hand.

    Personally, as a brown guy, I can’t wait. All the gay talk of “equality” and “human rights” is tedious beyond belief and the sooner we can drop the pretenses and go back to celebrating and enjoying being on the right side of the might is right equation, the better. In the meantime, there is no point to obfuscate the reality of situation in the comments section of Karlin’s blog, it’s not like anything we say here is going to seep into the mainstream narrative and affect things. On the other hand, trying to keep up pretenses will just make discussions here as pointless and mind numbing as the drivel you read on facebook and twitter.

  130. Mikel says:

    The fraud question – did it happen? did it change the results?

    I don’t know if the end result will be different but yes, there is no doubt that it happened.

    The strong incentive, the precedent and, most importantly, the absurd electoral system that allows it are all present.

    My wife and I are legal residents but not US citizens and we both received a letter from our state authorities inviting us to register because, according to their records, we didn’t appear as registered voters. All we had to do is visit a website, fill in some data, declare that we were US citizens and we would have been registered to vote and received ballots.

    How many millions of non-citizens have received similar invitations, among them many illegals? How many have refrained from voting, even though for them the outcome of this election may be a life-changing matter? How many Democratic operatives were aware of this possibility of fraud to remove their hated Trump and helped these non-residents to achieve that goal?

    And, from what I’m reading, this is just one of many ways to commit electoral fraud.

    It would be absurd for Republicans not to challenge the results in the states where the outcome will be decided by a narrow margin, especially if they have all the evidence they claim.

    BTW, Florida seems to have improved a lot since 2000 but the electoral authorities of most US states should quickly get in contact with their colleagues in other countries and try to learn how to count ballots. Nevada and Arizona, in particular, could pay a visit to their Mexican or Guatemalan neighbors to the South and might well learn a lot.

  131. Ano4 says:
    @Vivek

    You clearly seem to be an intelligent person and a honest one, so I will ask you just one question: don’t you think that it is Whites that still maintain a relatively comfortable quality of life in the West?

    I mean, probably Toronto Indian diaspora likes it there and do not really want to see it turned into another Mumbai or Kolkata. Once the Whitey’s driven out of pasture, what would prevent the Detroit style situation from happening across the West?

    • Replies: @Vivek
  132. @Vivek

    Personally, as a brown guy, I can’t wait.

    Just wondering, are you more brown than significant share of native Southern Europeans such as Greeks or Italians, whom are considered quite “white” by many?

    • Replies: @Vivek
  133. Mikel says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Hopefully, she’ll also work for the betterment of Ukrainian/US relations that will help those that she left behind.

    Under any realistic scenario, that betterment will only make pawns and cannon-fodder of those she left behind in the battle against the Russian enemy.

    But yes, Ukrainians should improve relations with everybody, including those who will forever be their bigger neighbors. The rest of the world will also be better off if that happens.

  134. Vivek says:
    @Ano4

    It doesn’t really matter what I or other Indians in the West think, we’re just along for the ride to a large extent. It’s Dmitry’s people who are in control and who set the big picture trends, at least for now. We’re just fortunate to have ended up on the right side of their machinations. Anyway, the demographic displacement is happening and will continue to happen regardless of anything Indians do, so the question isn’t all that relevant.

    As to putting whites out to pasture, I don’t think whites are going to go anywhere, they are too valuable for that. They will continue to exist, just not under their own terms.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  135. Vivek says:
    @sudden death

    It doesn’t matter. “Brown” is just an arbitrary but relevant classifier under the current racial paradigm. You may well say that many Northeast Asians are “whiter” in physics terms than many Europeans, but this does not have any relevance to anything. The point is that Indians are members of the POC, whereas southern Europeans are not. Whether this makes any kind of sense in an objective way is irrelevant, what’s important is that several races or tribes or whatever you want to call it have been organized against the white race/tribe and stand to benefit from the whites’ capitulation.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  136. @songbird

    No.

    The church also curtailed parents’ abilities to retain kinship ties through arranged marriages by prohibiting unions in which the bride didn’t explicitly agree to the union.

    https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/04/04/whatever-happened-to-european-tribes/

    The welfare of the social order, according to St. Augustine (City of God XV.16) and St. Thomas (Suppl. Q. liii, a. 3), demanded the widest possible extension of friendship and love (marriage) among all humankind

    https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm

    In other words, the Church promoted consensual and egalitarian marriage relations based on the free will of individual men and women. This is what Siedentop means by the Catholic “invention of individualism”.

    https://www.eurocanadian.ca/2020/04/kevin-macdonald-hail-catholic-5church-forcing-monogamy-upon-nobility.html

    Clearly similar to:

    ਤਜੀਐ ਮਸੰਦ । ਸਬ ਤੋਰ ਫੰਦ । ਤਜਿ ਪੰਚ ਸੰਗੀ । ਰਚਿ ਏਕ ਰੰਗ ।। ੭੫ ।। ੧੯੧ ।। ਖਾਲਸ ਸਰੂਪ । ਅਨੂਪ ਰੂਪ । ਗਹਿ ਤੇਗ ਲੀਨ । ਅਤਿ ਜੁੱਧ ਕੀਨ ।।੭੬।।੧੯੨।।⁣
    Must they renounce Masands and all other attachments, Renouncing the Five(thieves) condemned get attached to one. ||75||191|| Adopting the Khalsa Identity, must they be distinguished, Wearing a sword, must they fight wars. ||76||192||⁣

    ਕੇਤੇ ਡਕਾਰ । ਤਾ ਕੋ ਬਿਥਾਰ । ਜੋਧਾ ਅਪਾਰ । ਕਰਿ ਜੁੱਧਿ ਸਾਰ ।।੭੭।।੧੯੩।। ਬਿਬੇਕੰ ਬਿਚਾਰ । ਤਨਖਾਹ ਦਾਰ । ਬਸੁਧਾ ਸੁਧਾਰ । ਕਰਿ ਜਗਤ ਸਾਰ।।੭੮।।੧੯੪।।⁣
    Devouring so many, must they expand, Becoming brave warriors must they take to war. ||77||193|| After a thorough deliberation, must they punish the errant, Reforming the world, must they emancipate humanity. ||78||194||⁣

  137. @songbird

  138. @songbird

  139. EldnahYm says:
    @Vivek

    All the gay talk of “equality” and “human rights” is tedious beyond belief and the sooner we can drop the pretenses and go back to celebrating and enjoying being on the right side of the might is right equation, the better.

    Unfortunately for you, no group of people are more susceptible to woke propaganda than Indian women.

    • Replies: @Vivek
  140. Vivek says:
    @EldnahYm

    Haha! You’re right, but at the same time so very wrong. Clearly you’re not comprehending the ultimate meaning or purpose of “wokeness.” Wokeness is nothing if not a sentiment of anti-whiteness and for lack of a better term “minority-supremacism.” Whether or not Indians see through wokeness and merely pay lip service to it because it benefits us, or whether we swallow it hook line and sinker, doesn’t even matter because we do in fact benefit from this piss poor excuse of an ideology. You cannot paint an equivalence between woke whites and woke non-whites, any more than you can between crazy lunatics inside a besieged city who are trying to tear down the defenses and the besiegers on the other side trying to do the same.

    The first step to complete control over the whites is the conquest, which is occurring via demographic displacement. The second step is their dehumanization, which forms the justification for why the conquered population not only doesn’t deserve to be treated equally but in fact deserves to be stripped of basic rights and subjugated. For Muslims such a rationalization was and is religion, for 18th century whites it was the notion of black racial inferiority, and for POC in the 21st century it will be the concept that whites are uniquely, irredeemably evil and must be punished for past crimes and repressed so as to be incapable of committing future ones. This dehumanization process is ongoing and intensifying, and wokeness is one facet of it. If I want to return to the good old days of “to the victors go the spoils,” wokeness is precisely what I should hope Indians and other minorities are susceptible to, because whites ARE the spoils.

  141. @Vivek

    Debating within this conception, it needs to be noted that in fact whites never ever seriously considered themselves one tribe or if you want, intra-tribal white wars (1914-1945) were so violent and strong that any inner white unity was and still is quite a pipe dream. btw, do you feel lots of racial unity with other browns such as Pakistanis or Arabs even if temporary teaming up against whites?

    • Replies: @Vivek
  142. @Ano4

    Replace Nikonian with Uniate and here you have it, you are reproducing the arguments made by AP in defense of the Greco Catholic Ukrainian Church.

    False! To claim that there is a Vicar of Christ on earth, a man that is an earthly representative of priest is totally different than some variations in rites of the Church. Papal primacy and the Orthodox position than all bishops lead their flock in collegial and conciliar manner, is a critical difference between the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches. All Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Catholics included, believes in Papal supremacy.

    The Catholic dogma of the primacy of the bishop of Rome is codified in both codes of canon law of the Catholic Church – the Latin Church’s 1983 Code of Canon Law (1983 CIC) and the Eastern Catholic Churches’ 1990 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches (CCEO). The Second Vatican Council’s 1964 dogmatic constitution Lumen gentium (LG) declared that the “pope’s power of primacy” is by “virtue of his office, that is as Vicar of Christ and pastor of the whole Church,” and is “full, supreme and universal power over the Church” which he “is always free to exercise.”[9][10] The primacy of the bishop of Rome, according to John Hardon in Catholic Dictionary, is “primacy of jurisdiction, which means the possession of full and supreme teaching, legislative, and sacerdotal powers in the Catholic Church”; it is authority “not only in faith and morals but Church discipline and in the government of the Church.”

    In Orthodox Church no bishop or patriarch can make changes in the interpretation of theology alone, for that he needs to have consensus of all bishops. Even administrative changes like establishment of Ukrainian Church under the Cpole lead to Schism. So Ano4 there is no equivalency between Uniate falsehoods and Orthodox practice. Actually it can be easily deduced that such difference has even huge theological and soteoriological implications. Did Christ give his leadership of the church, or role, or custodianship to a one man, or did he entrust his mission to whole Church?

    Anyway Seraphim of Sarov and many genuine Orthodox Saints who represented the best traditions of Holy Russia continued to still manifest in Russian lands after Nikonian reforms.

    Peter I dealing with the Streltsy? Whats the problem with that, would you liked that Russia would have gotten a huge Praetorian guard or Janissary problem? Soldiers are not good masters in house, at least I think so, but excellent in service of state.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  143. @AP

    And Constantine the great was himself a Christian paragon? Probably a man who was a half pagan and half heretic.

    Here a Sol Invictus in his coin. He possibly was an follower of Arian Christianity, at least he was baptized by an Arian bishop and I dont believe that Emperor Justin I was anywhere near to be a Christian paragon. Same with all those Arian and Iconoclast emperors. But yes they probably all were more or less religious in their own ways. Honestly I wouldnt say that Constantine I was an Arian, maybe he just didnt understand that kind of nuances or something. Maybe for him the unity of the Church was more important.

    • Replies: @AP
  144. @Vivek

    whites ARE the spoils

    dehumanization

    Your name means wisdom quit acting like a dumbass.

    http://yugaparivartan.com/2016/02/17/demographic-seize-of-al-hind/

    ਜੋਦੀਸੈਸੋਸਕਲਅਕਾਲ।।⁣
    Whatever you see is Akaal⁣

    ਹਰਿਹੈਬਿਰਧਤਰਨਅਰੁਬਾਲ।।⁣
    The pervasive one is within all kids, adults and the elderly⁣

    ਸਭਕੋਰੂਪਬਿਸਨਕਾਭਾਈ।।⁣
    Brother, everything that has form is but the All pervasive .⁣

    ਏਕੋਬਿਸਨਦੂਸਾਨਹੀਰਾਈ।।⁣
    That all pervasive is united in all, not even a speck is separate⁣

    ਗੋਬਿੰਦਗੀਤਾਮਹਾਕਾਲਗੁਰੂਗੋਬਿੰਦਸਿੰਘਜੀਮਹਾਰਾਜਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦ ੭ ਵਾਂ ਪਿਆਇ⁣||
    Gobind Gita, Mahakaal Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj, Patshahi 10, Chapter 7.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BvNID-2Bu3I/

    Gosh, this n1gga wants to rape white women||

  145. The Khalsa is doing Raj. As the Khalsa is free. We have the divine command to keep arms. We have our own food system, our own goverment, our own flag, our own scripture, we are sovereign.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv9UkxyhC2I/

    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
  146. @Dmitry

    I have never visited Israel, but I also have some Israeli acquaintances, also there are surprisingly many Israeli tourists in India. From what I have gathered from my discussions, there is or has been somewhat dense situation in their country, and there has been clearly an atmosphere of psychological pressure that is or has been prevalent in the country. I am friends with two ex-IDF guys who have moved out of the country and dont like being there, so maybe I have biased sources. Still how else you can at least partially explain the better birth rates among the secular Jews in Israel in comparison to secular people of western countries? There is open discussion about the demographical threat that the Arabs and Haredis constitute for the future of the secular Israel. There often are big military operations, people serve 3 or 2 years in the army, there is always present threat of terrorism and rockets raining from Gaza. In what kind of haze you are, if you cant clearly perceive the implications for the birth rate? Also Israel is not a third world country, I dont know what kind of countries you have visited, but Israel has never been a real third world country. Yes they are getting richer but they had GDP 25 000 USD per capita in 1995. That is not anywhere near third world levels, especially in the 90s. Their level of militarization is untypical for most countries in the world, especially for the western countries. You are a strange fish if you dont notice all this.

    Oh so Armenia is good example Imperialism, martial valour, being under siege and hyper-Patriotism and not Israel, for gods sake, we are speaking totally different language, if you think that I had anything like Armenia in mind. Armenia cant even be imperialistic with 98% of population being Armenians, for empire you need multiple people or nations under your heel. Even Israel is only partially Imperialistic, but still its much more than Armenia. I was speaking about the Great Eurasian Land Empires and you are bringing up something like Armenia!!! Its like I would bring up East Timor and comparing it to Israel. I just cant express my bafflement in stronger terms.

    Nationalism and Patriotism are different, yes some would argue that its just semantics but in practice there is a great difference if one claims to be Russian, American or Chinese patriot or being Russian, American or Chinese Nationalist. For patriot there is common fatherland, for nationalist the idea is more exclusive. Actually there was once a one Russian professor who explained this to me.

    I much prefer, the rulers will focus (including in their rhetoric) on the basic things, like investing in science and technology, and providing good jobs for the young people, if they don’t want mass emigration.

    Of course you prefer, then you get more time to watch Hollywood movies and not being an assistant in Sharaska. Its not like investment in technology and science will drop in the “Great Eurasian Land Empire.” Ha Ha!

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  147. @Vivek

    The first step to complete control over the whites is the conquest, which is occurring via demographic displacement. The second step is their dehumanization, which forms the justification for why the conquered population not only doesn’t deserve to be treated equally but in fact deserves to be stripped of basic rights and subjugated. For Muslims such a rationalization was and is religion, for 18th century whites it was the notion of black racial inferiority, and for POC in the 21st century it will be the concept that whites are uniquely, irredeemably evil and must be punished for past crimes and repressed so as to be incapable of committing future ones. This dehumanization process is ongoing and intensifying, and wokeness is one facet of it. If I want to return to the good old days of “to the victors go the spoils,” wokeness is precisely what I should hope Indians and other minorities are susceptible to, because whites ARE the spoils.

    You are a fucking idiot and a disgrace. You are nothing else than a product of American or Anglo culture, they are the ones who brought all these problems, and you are just a their bastard child, there is nothing Bharati in you. Your language, your attitudes, your mental concepts, they all scream or cry of the USA(or Canada or UK etc) of the 21st century. You have a colonized mind, you are a Frankensteins monster, which is the reason why you harbour such malice against your creators. Sher Sing is proud of who he is and stands in his own legs, as I stand too. Only a being which has problems with inferiority and insignificance could try to cope in the way as you do. Theres nothing worse than trying to demoralize people. Maybe you were bullied by all the Johns and Peters, and now you create fantasies about the demise of their race.

    Black inferiority was practically an universal concept before the 20th century, as can be seen from the writings of the Muslims.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    , @Vivek
  148. @songbird

    The seed of many ideologies is base power dynamics – the competition for resources. Since prehistoric times, the lowest social units required both men and women. I believe, aggressive women have always attempted to organize and steal resources from men, or to otherwise induce them to give them resources. Feminism is just the modern form of this dynamic which once existed in caves. Created by the accumulation of resources on an industrial scale, and women organizing on greater levels, than ever before, assisted by new forms of communication and transportation.

    So you are similar to Terf Feminists, or what were those feminists of the 70s who believed that the men and women have always struggled for power, and that the ancestors of men somehow enslaved the ancient women or some (pseudo-marxist) bullshit like that.

    But yes its very sad that you think that there has been such perennial struggle between sexes, and no wonder for everyone is product of his circumstances and culture. I myself have known many good and honest men, but never ever I have met such kindness and such spirit of self sacrifice, which I have personally seen and felt from many Tibetan, Mongolian and especially from the Russian women of the older generations, especially from my dear mother, I also have good Russian friends whose mothers or grandmas are real living saints, who first always think others before themselves. The Slavic and Asian femininity is our greatest treasure, but sadly what I have seen in China, they are also quickly losing it(but more because of materialism and greed than pride), at least among Tibetan and Indian village folk the traditional or real femininity is still living on. I am half European and Half Asian, who has lived both in Europe and Asia all my life, so I have seen both sides of the coin, and the situation is quickly worsening almost everywhere, for men have deluded themselves to think that material progress equals human progress, but no, for technology can develop, but men can still degrade at the same time. The men and women have had always problems, some times there have been quarrels among couples, some times love, but people of traditional societies have always intuitively understood that men and women have a symbiotic relationship, that every man and woman is product of both man and woman, that they both have permanent or eternal common interests, not just material, but also spiritual and biological.

    The second is that diversity obviously exacerbates feminism. Radical women form alliances with foreigners to give each their power. Europe is far less geographically isolated than East Asia. The Himalayas help separate China. Korea is a peninsula. Japan an archipelago. SE Asia, while differing, is a gradient of ancient migration from agricultural China. All of it is further from Africa.

    Islamic world is near or is in Africa, so what the distance from Africa matters in regards of feminism? Indian subcontinent is a vast easily connected area of 4 million sq km2, as is China proper. China proper is not geographically separated from Vietnam or Korea, and have many times ruled both countries, but yes Himalayas separate Indian subcontinent from the China. Still Spain, Italy, Great Britain, Scandinavian peninsula have been geographically more or less separated from the center of the European continent.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @songbird
  149. Ano4 says:
    @Vivek

    And what about all the gender issues? The LGBTQ coalition is also playing a role in the dehumanization of the Whites?

    • Replies: @Vivek
  150. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    So you are similar to Terf Feminists

    I don’t bother to the learn the technical language of such creatures.

    but never ever I have met such kindness and such spirit of self sacrifice, which I have personally seen and felt from many Tibetan, Mongolian and especially from the Russian women of the older generations, especially from my dear mother

    I promise you, all women in the East are not like your mother. Some are less saintly. Russia probably had the most radical women in the whole of Europe, women like Emma Goldman. Though she wasn’t technically Russian, and I don’t think it would be appropriate to use the terminology “post Christian” on her.

    [MORE]

    and that the ancestors of men somehow enslaved the ancient women or some (pseudo-marxist) bullshit like that

    I am sure many men enslaved many women. If we can believe bardic history, later recorded, my ancestors were given a regular tribute of women, by their overlords. Muslim men commonly bought European women to be their wives. But that is neither here nor there, I am not a marxist trying to foment feminist grievance. Probably there were crazy women who made their husbands miserable.

    When I see a bull dike, I cannot think that every relationship in prehistory was peaches and roses. Those bull dykes had their antecedents, even, as is most probable, in East Asia. Though as Steve Sailer says, when men were tougher, they might not have all been lesbos, some may have been mothers.

    Islamic world is near or is in Africa, so what the distance from Africa matters in regards of feminism?

    You think the Islamic world has been as modern as long as Europe? Built as many passenger steamships/planes? You think it is generally as rich? And that polygamy makes it comparable? Or that the Sahara desert isn’t a substantial geographic barrier?

    China proper is not geographically separated from Vietnam or Korea

    Vietnam is half-Sinicized. Korea is far more remote from China than any comparable part of Europe is from from mainland Europe. It is connected by rough, fairly inhospitable and sparsely populated terrain. But that is not my point – I am not trying to outline distant history. Of course, Japan and Korea were in a Chinese sphere to a certain extent, though less interconnected than Europe.

    The important global connections are during industrial times and the post colonial period. China, as big as its economy is, and as rich as many are, is still not a developed country. For quite a while HK was its only substantial connection to the outside world – the one where apparatchiks would catch global flights and buy global goods. Japan, the earliest developed, fielded men in WW2 who were remarked upon for their shortness. There weren’t any retired trans-Atlantic steamers ferrying North Africans to Japan. Japan was too far away from Africa to make such a thing practical. France and England were much closer.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @AltanBakshi
  151. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I might add that to fly to Korea (and possibly Japan), for many years, one had to fly over the US because Soviet and Chinese airspace was closed. It cost quite a lot.

  152. AP says:
    @Hyperborean

    How does your post contradict what I wrote?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  153. songbird says:

    It is remarkable how quickly James Bond was pozzed.

    1962. The first movie Dr. No is set in Jamaica. The story was written, when it was still a colony. No blacks on the contemporary posters, as far as I can tell. Bond tells a black man to fetch his shoes.

    1972. Ten years later. Idris Elba was born. Years ago, the woke were salivating over the prospect of him, a black man, possibly being the next Bond, though it never happened, partly because he was considered too old. (But they were really going for a black woman.)

    1964. Goldfinger: Bond hands money he won at gambling to an Indian and says “This ought to keep you in curry for a few weeks.”

    1973. Live and Let Die featured superstitious blacks and a black drug lord. But it also featured the first black woman femme fatale. It would not be the last, by a long shot.

    1995 (only 33 years from first film) M becomes a woman.

    And now, the new movie has the title of 007 conferred to a black woman. It took less than 60 years, to turn a popular, quasi-nationalist figure in Europe, into a black woman. And Connery, the first Bond, lived to hear the rumors. Simply remarkable.

  154. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Excellent point, plenty of Christian Roman rulers have been corrupted by power and have behaved outrageously. Still, these guys at least seem to have been sincerely devout (if for no other reason, because of the times in which they lived) and serious in their relationship wit the Church. Can the same be said of Peter or Catherine? The latter was a fan of Voltaire and wasn’t even Russian. And yet she was in charge of the Russian Church.

    In Peter’s case, brutally conducted changes to the Russian Orthodox Church were aspect of his general project of overall reform and modernization, he looked at modern Protestant countries as a model and therefore wanted a Church as an arm of a modern secularized state. For similar reasons, If Peter were 100 years older and visited Italy or Spain rather than the Netherlands he might have converted Russia to Catholicism as the Rus princes of the PLC had attempted for their own patrimonies.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  155. @AltanBakshi

    False! To claim that there is a Vicar of Christ on earth, a man that is an earthly representative of Christ is totally different case than some variations in rites of the Church. The Orthodox position that all bishops together lead their flock in a collegial and conciliar manner, is a critically different from the practice of the Roman Catholic Church. All Catholics, Eastern Catholics included, believe in Papal supremacy.

    I wrote in a such hurry with a mobile phone, that there were quite many mistakes, sorry. Here is the corrected version of the text.

  156. EldnahYm says:
    @Vivek

    Clearly you’re not comprehending the ultimate meaning or purpose of “wokeness.” Wokeness is nothing if not a sentiment of anti-whiteness and for lack of a better term “minority-supremacism.”

    I understand your point perfectly well about the purpose of wokeness. But purposes must be distinguished from actual effects. I can name you many examples of U.S. efforts to take down the Soviet Union, ranging from support for coups in the third world, financial incentives for overseas allies giving their manufactured goods preference over domestic equivalents, domestic and overseas propaganda, even to funding postmodern art. The purpose of these efforts were to defeat the Soviet Union, but the actual results of these actions were to change the United States into something different. The effects on the Soviet bloc were probably smaller.

    Your view of Indians benefiting from current wokeness is accurate, but short-sighted. For starters, most of the benefits accruing to Indians with a few exceptions are relatively modest. More academic positions, more “diversity” positions, presence in “high skilled” jobs, etc. This kind of stuff doesn’t scale up very far, there are only so many positions. At which point, Indians will quickly turn to fighting each other for positions. Subsequent competition with lower skilled whites will be a race to the bottom. The benefits to all this will shrink. We’re already seeing this in academia, where most of the incentive for wokeness is actually younger people trying to get rid of older faculty for the limited positions. This is not a stable system.

    I brought up Indian women to point out that all of the rot from liberalism, reduced fertility, lack of social cohesion, acceptance of deleterious behaviors from others, will happen and is happening to Indians as well. Liberalism is primarily what is destroying whites, not minority-supremacist hate speech laws or whatever(because few people are directly impacted by them), and minorities have shown they cannot escape liberal trends either. Probably liberalism will have more deleterious effects on minorities, simply because it’s more alien to their traditions. You might want to consider the possibility that results which ultimately benefit no one might be the ultimate endpoint of all of this. Even if minorities marginalize whites, it will likely be a pyrrhic victory.

    So far it’s actually liberal whites using wokeness to defeat badwhites. Minorities are secondary. Your idea is thatminorities will replace the goodwhites. I am skeptical of this. We have yet to see much in the way of a minority political coalition. It’s whites holding everything together. Minorities otherwise will fight with each other, and the incentives will be different. Diversity is not strength.

    • Replies: @Vivek
  157. EldnahYm says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I don’t see any reason to be outraged by what Vivek said. His description of the purpose of wokeness is accurate. Rarely does anyone spell it out this clearly. In particular, the idea that whites “are uniquely, irredeemably evil and must be punished for past crimes and repressed so as to be incapable of committing future ones” succinctly summarizes what most of social justice dialogue is actually about. If we lived in sane societies, what he said would be totally banal, the sort of thing people would say “duh” over. But that’s not the case. Instead, what he said is something white people do not want to hear, but need to.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @AaronB
  158. @Ano4

    Irina Shayk

    Better looking than Russian Defence Minister and browner 😄.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  159. @EldnahYm

    He clearly derives some satisfaction by believing that he will be a part of the Kapo class in the futures Globohomo plantation. In my opinion deriving joy from prospects of such despicable managerial position is a sign of personal pettiness and servility. Dont you see how he is gloating?

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  160. @AP

    How does your post contradict what I wrote?

    You wrote:

    Why? Rejection of decent Latinos now, is as shortsighted as rejection of decent Ellis island immigrants would have been by nativists 100 years ago.* What would have been the fate of a political movement that limited itself to WASPs only?

    The 1924 Immigration Act was a significant piece of pro-WASP legislation that was passed and lasted into 1960s, when American elites unfortunately felt the need to compete with the USSR for the affection of “Third World” countries.

    Prohibition also had strong ethnic undertones, though was shorter and it only lasted until Franklin D. Roosevelt.

    The crackdown on labour unions and labour unrest fuelled by the influx of labourers with origins in South and East Europe had an ethnic tinge.

    Many prestigious universities had quotas on student entrance to prevent Jewish institutional capture.

    The forcible assimilation and 100% Americanism campaigns in the late 1910s and the 1290s were also heavily based on an Anglo-Saxon and WASP ideal of America.

    There was a strong WASP American political movement that achieved concrete things, so I don’t see why you hypotheticalise this kind of movement?

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  161. AP says:
    @Hyperborean

    The 1924 Immigration Act was a significant piece of pro-WASP legislation that was passed and lasted into 1960s,

    It was. Yet it did not correspond to the ultimate rejection of Italians, Germans (to a lesser extent), Irish, Poles by conservatives. If American conservatives/nativists do not want disappear, they ought to treat Latinos as a newer version of Ellis Island immigrants. That is, pause further immigration and welcome/assimilate those who are here rather than exclude them and force the into the arms of those who hate this country.

    Prohibition also had strong ethnic undertones, though was shorter and it only lasted until Franklin D. Roosevelt.

    And it was dumb.

    The forcible assimilation and 100% Americanism campaigns in the late 1910s and the 1290s were also heavily based on an Anglo-Saxon and WASP ideal of America.

    I guess you either misunderstood what I wrote, or I wasn’t clear enough. Assimilation is not exclusion. America’s native WASPS taught the newcomers their values (stopping the flood was probably a necessary condition for this process to succeed) and accepted them into their fold as they adopted those values. This process may be occurring with some groups of Latinos, and ought to be encouraged. Trump-voting Mexicans in Texas are better Americans than Antifa activists in Oregon.

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  162. songbird says:

    In 2019, more tourists visited France than the whole of Africa. Quite remarkable, considering the modern condition of France.

    Incidentally, when you consider tourist numbers as a proxy for globalism, (perhaps an imperfect measure since it includes the travel of genetically-related people), I don’t think that India or even China has been properly tested by globalism.

    China had 61.6 million arrivals in 2019, slightly less than Italy, even though its population is about 24x. (And how many of those were of the Han ethnos?)

    India had less tourists than Hungary (probably mostly Europeans) or Macau (probably mostly Chinese). But how many of its tourists were Indians from the West or people from neighboring countries? India hasn’t been remotely tested by globalism, yet.

  163. AaronB says:

    Old style nationalism was aggressive and competitive and led to wars that with modern technology, threatened the destruction of the human world. So people decided that nationalism had to be killed if the human race wasn’t to be destroyed by nuclear war.

    They thought a homogenized kind of man stripped of any specific identity and concerned only with a reasonable satisfaction of his economic wants – homo economicus- had to be created all over the world within a context of globalization. Yet this was an overreaction.

    Lately I am wondering if we can create a New Nationalism – based on the concept of unity-within-diversity. It would not be aggressive and competitive like the old nationalism but would recognize thats its individuslity existed within a framework of global unity. The Old Nationalism emphasized the individual too much. The New Nationalism would recognize the individual exists within a framework of other individuals.

    If this is true, than the best internal model of organization within a nation would be multiculturalism within a larger feamework of national unity. In other words the nation would be a microcosm of the global macrocosm. The melting pot theory of before was a version of globalization- the homogenization of man. The current multiculturalism is like the Old Nationalism – hostile communities competing with each other. I propose a New Multiculturalism.

    And I dont necessarily mean multi-racialism. Just, I sm struck by how different people have such different versions of the good life when I read the comments here. Some people are really conservative and hate gays and think life should be grim and joyless and based on hard work- their world view is based on fear, but they should have every right to live that way. I have no desire to force my free and liberal views on them.

    There are others who are depressed and have never felt a moment of genuine satisfaction in their lives, so they need endless amounts of time to pursue something that is ever more elusive. These are the transhumsnists who want to live forever as they have never has a moment of primary fulfillment. They too should be able to pursue their dream.

    Anyone today who is opposed to globalism and believes in nationalism and celebrates the diversity of cultures around the world must believe in internal multiculturalism and the non-homogemous nation as well – again, not necessarily racial multiculturalism.

    Perhaps the human race can leave irs Dualism behind and discover a new principle of diversity-within-unity? Because none of our current solutions are working and unless we discover a new principle that transcends current dualisms, the dualism between nationalism and globalism, the homogenized nation and the multiculturalism of hostile competing groups, we will just continue the current futile chaos.

    I am inspired in this by my studies of Buddhism. Many people think Buddhism is about dissolving the individual into a formless void. But rather, it is the Middle Way – not in the boring sense of being merely moderate, but in transcending extremes. In Buddhism, the very fact that any individual depends on his context and environment to be distinguished at all means that his context is a guarantee of his individuality, rather than an obliteration of it. He doesn’t dissolve into his context – the two guarantee each other (you can only distinguish something against its opposite and environment).

    So Buddhism posits an individual whose unique individuality is inseperably tied to the unique individuality of everyone else – diversity within unity. Might this not be a model for politics and social relations?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @songbird
  164. AaronB says:
    @EldnahYm

    I don’t think so.

    Their ideology opposes all nationalism and they want to create a utopia of rational, homogenized humans without specific identity – which is seen as the source of source of conflict – on earth. They think the only way the lamb can lie down with the lions is if no one has any specific identity. Whites are just first phase one. Whites are seen as being the most advanced of the races and most capable of making this leap into the future development of mankind, as well as in recent history having developed competitive nationalism to its highest level (colonialism and the world wars).

    The idea that specific identity leads inescapably to conflict cannot simply be ignored, it must be overcome. Considering the recent history of Europe and the destructive power of modern weaponry, no one will rake seriously any theory that merely supports returning to Old Nationalism. Such people will remain forever troglodytes on fringe sites like Unz.

    A return to 19th century nationalism would mean yhe destruction of the hunan race, especially among the advanced races. Nationalism among less advanced cultures is much less of a threat.

    But can we not develop a New Nationalism that rehabilitates the concept of specific identity and shows that it does not lead inescapably to conflict?

  165. @AP

    If Peter was then there or if Peter was born, blah blah. Its a very serious ontological accusation that being has separate self or substance from his time, culture and birth circumstances. For me its senseless to say things like, hey AltanBakshi what if you were born in Poland in the 70s, how you would then feel about the inherent Russianness of Vodka, or would you harbour such views about the Somalia if you were born there, instead of here? It posits that being has separate essence from his context, that there is something that fundamentally makes us to be us. NO! If I would been born Poland, or in Somalia, I would not be me, there would be some totally different individual, with no connection to my feelings, to my experiences etc. So in my opinion its senseless to speak of hypothetical incarnation of Peter I in the time of the Boris Godunov.

    PLC was a fricking oligarchy, king was elected, thats a structural and critical fault in the fundaments of the country, no country of the 18th century could have gained strength and power by such model of succession in leadership. Russian leader of the late 16th or early 17th century would have had big problems with conversion to Catholicism, we all know what happened in the 1612, when perfidious Lyakhs, beyond all redemption, ravaged the Holy Russia, and supported the only Catholic ever to sit on a Russian throne, the thrice cursed apostate known by the name of the False Dmitry.

    Orthodox Church is as good state church for centralized empire as the Catholic Church, in my opinion its better, because then you dont need to fear Papal and Cardinal shenanigans and Jesuitical plots.

    • Replies: @AP
  166. @songbird

    Korea is and has been almost always geographically connected to the China proper, Han, Sui and Tang dynasties ruled large areas of Korea, the Chinese have inhabited neighbouring Liaoning province at least for last 2500 years, Pyongyang is only 800km from the Beijing.

    Vietnam was under Chinese rule and a province of China from the 2nd century BC to the end of the 10th century, and was again during the Ming dynasty in the 15th century. The China proper, Korea, Southern Manchuria, Vietnam were very interconnected area of 5 million sq km2, without any major geographical obstacles.

    Sahara desert is a mighty geographical barrier in the west, but not in the east, Sudan, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Swahili coast.

    My mother is only one example among many other examples, its truly sad what will happen when we are nearing the end phase of Kali Yuga. For many westerners such existence is already reality.

    Here are some good verses from the Puranas regarding the Kali Yuga, Sher Singh will probably rejoice!

    Religion, truthfulness, cleanliness, tolerance, mercy, duration of life, physical strength and memory will all diminish day by day because of the powerful influence of the age of Kali.


    In Kali Yuga, wealth alone will be considered the sign of a man’s good birth, proper behaviour and fine qualities. And law and justice will be applied only on the basis of one’s power.

    Men and women will live together merely because of superficial attraction, and success in business will depend on deceit. Womanliness and manliness will be judged according to one’s expertise in sex, and a man will be known as a brahmana just by his wearing a thread.

    A person’s spiritual position will be ascertained merely according to external symbols, and on that same basis people will change from one spiritual order to the next. A person’s propriety will be seriously questioned if he dos not earn a good living. And one who is very clever at juggling words will be considered a learned scholar.

    No one will ask for a girl’s hand in marriage; no one will duly give away a girl in marriage. When Kali Yuga is fully ripe, men and women will choose their spouses themselves.

    People will leave their own countries and seek refuge in other countries, directions, regions, etc., and will roam around the world lamenting ‘Alas, father!’, ‘Alas, son.’

    There are countless other good predictions, women will dress like men, men like women, women will practice same sports as men, people from rice growing areas will move to wheat growing areas, children will insult their parents, old people will start to imitate young people, spiritual barbarians are paramount everywhere, and so on and so on.

    This all was foretold by Aryan sages over 2000 years ago.

    • Thanks: songbird
  167. @songbird

    For some reason my reply to you was marked as spam and deleted. I put couple citations about the Kali Yuga, very strange, it has never happened to me before.

  168. @AP

    It was. Yet it did not correspond to the ultimate rejection of Italians, Germans (to a lesser extent), Irish, Poles by conservatives. If American conservatives/nativists do not want disappear, they ought to treat Latinos as a newer version of Ellis Island immigrants. That is, pause further immigration and welcome/assimilate those who are here rather than exclude them and force the into the arms of those who hate this country.

    […]

    I guess you either misunderstood what I wrote, or I wasn’t clear enough. Assimilation is not exclusion. America’s native WASPS taught the newcomers their values (stopping the flood was probably a necessary condition for this process to succeed) and accepted them into their fold as they adopted those values.

    I think this is a rather idealistic interpretation of that era. What would you define “exclusion” as then?

    • Replies: @AP
  169. @AaronB

    How is this “new” idea different from trite and insidious Verfassungspatriotismus and if it is different how to prevent it from devolving into it?

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  170. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    My favored solution to multiculturalism is to build a bunch of A-380s outfitted to carry >1000 passengers per flight. If we sedated the passengers, it might be possible to carry closer to 2000. Though, I’m not sure if that is an overreaction, perhaps, the existing commercial fleet would more than suffice – I’d be content, if they left at the rate they arrived, but I think it would be easy to do better, with optimized logistics, and supplementing with the military fleet.

    We must remember that moving people really isn’t that hard. Millions were moved within Europe, after WW2, by the people the narrative considers the good guys, and we have much better technology now.

    [MORE]

    It is really amazing when you consider the arrivals at a single airport. Atlanta moved over 110 million in 2019 – of course, we must specify that is two way traffic and much of it is regional, but Dubai moved over 86 million, and the population of the entire UAE is <10 million, including all foreigners.

    We can even use Israel as an historic example. Operation Solomon: in 1991, within 36 hours, Israelis transported 14,325 Ethiopian Jews to Israel using non-stop flights of 35 Israeli aircraft, including Israeli Air Force C-130s and El Al Boeing 747s. They broke a record with one plane, a 747, which carried at least 1,088 people, including two babies who were born on the flight.

    What if we extrapolated those passengers carried in 36 hours to possible passengers carried in a year? Why, we get almost 3.5 million! And that is just the state capacity of Israel in 1991. It may be an over-estimate, not allowing for maintenance, or pilot down-time, but I think France, Germany, or Britain could do better, being larger countries.

    More and more, I am convinced that the way forward for Europeans is to follow Jewish examples. Only we must be thoughtful in how we apply the models. It wouldn't do to airlift Christian Ethiopians to Europe, for instance.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  171. Dmitry says:
    @Vivek

    white race is being demographically displaced in virtually all areas of the world

    Because open borders immigration problem in Russia (and actually of most countries), is due to the income differences and ease of movement between first and third world, and not specific to race like the situation in American History X between African Americans and a generic “homogenized white race” (as exists in America). The fact most countries with white people are first world (due to the higher economic and historical development level), but not all and only, so that e,g, Ukrainians are also flooding into brown countries.

    The driver is the difference of income and the free labour flows, as well as differences in fertility rates. In Russia, it’s mostly slavic (white race) areas of the country, which are including most of the desirable and economicaly dynamic ones to live in, but it’s not only white people who are displaced.

    For example Bashkirs in Ufa can complain about being demographically displaced by the mass Armenian immigration, and then prosecuted for complaining about it.

    Here was the original video (Bashkir woman is a bitch of course) .

    So the open border situation between Russia and Armenia, results in demographic displacement in Bashkortostan of Bashkirs (yellow/white mixed race) by Armenians (brown race).

    Another thing to be scared about in Russia. Chechen commander of ISIS included white nationalities, and yet these Chechens also would be better behind closed borders. (Instead of commander of ISIS, he could have immigrated to any Russian city in the current open borders and free labour movement, and be living in your building as your neighbour).

    This is problem of mass migration will happen universally, wherever there is difference of income and lack of selective immigration filter.

    Most white countries are first world, but there is also a white country of Ukraine, which is not first world, and results in the same mass emigration like from the brown countries. Mass Ukrainian illegal immigration is the problem in Poland or Israel.

    So a brown country like Israel is flooded with illegal immigrants who are white, yellow, brown and black.

    It’s because of the income differential, and therefore white/brown/black illegal immigrants flood the brown country of Israel.

    as a brown guy,

    Lol well like I said with “Kent Nationalist” – one of the world’s most multicultural and postmodern forums. Although this is part of the addictiveness and value here.

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  172. @Dmitry

    White, Yellow etc are just terms and categories of post-colonial societies of the new world. Any proper European and Asian should not let their minds be colonized by such concepts. “Brown” race, what the hell Anglos? Is it really necessary to put all Indians, Moroccans, Mizrahi Jews and Malays to one basket? Very childish and simplistic, oh sorry I mean very Anglo-American way to conceptualize reality.

  173. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    I had to look that term up.

    That seems to be about abolishing nationalism and pushing for globalism. Its just another version of loss of identity, melting pot theory, and globalism. The homogenized man. It is a vision of “one type of man” that everyone assimilates to ultimately. That there should be one type of man, one type of nation, etc. No specific and individual identity.

    What I am pushing for is more like the Zen idea of a web of individual crystals reflecting each other.

    For instance, it would be the recognition for me to remain my unique and eccentric AaronB, you must provide a contrast by remaining your unique and eccentric Hyperborean. Instead of trying to transform you into me, I recognize that the condition for my being me is that you remain you (this is logically so because every quality is defined by contrasting it with its opposite).

    So we have an inseperable bond, we define each other, but we are also unique. It is diversity -within -unity.

    This would put an end to the liberal dream of creating one type of man – and any dream of universal man. It would recognize pluralism as an essential condition for unique individuality, not its opposite.

    The current opposition between globalism and nationalism is a false dichotomy that stems from the traditional dualism of the West that has reached an end in the current disintegration. Dualistic principles can no longer serve as organizing principle. We need to expand our imagination beyond the trap of dualism with its limited categories.

    If you recognize the need for unique nations, then you recognize the need gor unique nations within nations (not racial, but communities of like minded people).

    My explanation here is rather academic and intellectual, but we really need to form a new culture not based on dualism are new myths that convey this point to the masses in vivid and immediate ways.

    But I dont think we can direct the development of mankind or choose our myths – that was the central delusion of the dualistic culture now coming to an end in despair and disorder. But the despair in directing human development will lead by an inner necessity to transcending the duality of globalism or nationalism – both examples of mankind directing its own fate and achieving uniformity, either under the rulership of one state (and Old Style dualistic nationalism tends to the whole world being subjugated by one Nation), or by mankind becoming homogenized.

    All we can do is help along trends that are already emerging from an inner necessity as old dreams fade.

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  174. Anon 2 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I said “If you want to be amused.” I never said Polina was an authority on
    anything. You need to read carefully what I wrote. But she is one more example
    proving that there is tension between Russia and Belarus, as there is
    tension between Russia and all its neighbors. In the last 300 years
    Russia has done everything in its power to alienate its neighbors,
    but I don’t want to be too harsh on the Russians. I tend to blame the tsarist
    policy, and the fact that the Romanovs were 90% Germanic. It was the Germanics
    and their desire to dominate the Slavs, with active encouragement from
    the Jews, who I think are ultimately responsible for most of the horrors in Central
    and Eastern Europe. Other than minor squabbles, I think the Slavs are
    perfectly capable of living together in peace. And the Germans and the
    Swedes have finally seen the light, and are desperately trying to mend
    their ways. So there is no longer a reason to view the Germanics as natural
    born killers.

    Historically, it is striking, however, that not a single Slavic tribe ever gained
    a reputation for hyperviolence, unlike the Germanics with their Vandals,
    Vikings, Berserkers, Teutonic Knights, etc, all the way up to the Nazis,
    and that’s despite the fact that the Germanics have always been outnumbered
    2:1 by the Slavs – today there are 240 million Slavs vs only 120 million
    Germanics (incl. 20 million Scandinavians). It is the Germanic (and
    Jewish) nastiness that has always been a problem. We Slavs are not
    perfect, but we are generally peaceful, hence more advanced spiritually
    compared to the Germanic savages, and that’s why the Germanics and
    the Jews have tried to take advantage of us. But we can look the Germanics
    and the Jews in the eye and reassure them – you will eventually leave
    your savage ways behind and advance to our level. Godspeed on your
    journey!

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  175. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    Israel was bringing people in, not out.

    I think the Jewish model is a good one, but from what I read on this site people don’t understand it at all. They think its a like a White racialist state when it is nothing like that. Israel is actually a decent – good but not great – illustration of my idea of diversity-within-unity. In today’s world its an unusual example of this, do it stands out.

    But the White racialists here want extreme uniformity within the nation – homogenization in the microcosm – with diversity on the global scale, the macrocosm. This is an unstable principle of order because it ultimately does not recognize the principle of plurality even on the global scale. The internal homogeneity is for the purpose of building a strong unified nation that will then conquer and impose uniformity on e ermine else. It does not see any inherent value in plurality, so it does not respect other nations but is competitive with them. It is the old 19th century style nationalism which with modern weaponry, will lead to the destruction of humanity.

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    , @songbird
  176. @AaronB

    Then it is like Nouvelle Droite Ethnopluralism? Can you give a concrete example, either theoretical or practical, of how your idea would function?

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  177. Ano4 says:
    @Anon 2

    We Slavs are not
    perfect, but we are generally peaceful, hence more advanced spiritually
    compared to the Germanic savages, and that’s why the Germanics and
    the Jews have tried to take advantage of us.

    Slavs are inept at cooperating and very adept at infighting. They have always been, since times immemorial. That is why it always was and it always will be Drang nach Osten…

  178. Dmitry says:
    @AltanBakshi

    there has been clearly an atmosphere of psychological pressure

    Yes that is exactly my impression of the atmosphere in Israel. I feel some sense of nervous tension in the air the moment after arriving.

    It might be not specific to Israel though, but that whole side of Eastern Mediterranean – even Greece has a little of this “tension”. I imagine the same atmosphere in Lebanon.

    There is something related to the climate, scenery and ecology. Maybe some “magnetic force” in the region.

    The strange, tense atmosphere in the air in that region of the world – perhaps it’s not so surprising that Abrahamic religions were developed in East Mediterranean, and so also many other original spiritual claims (of Ancient Greece and Ancient Egypt). It’s like a full moon for some people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem_syndrome

    how else you can at least partially explain the better birth rates among the secular Jews in Israel in comparison to secular people of western countries? There is open discussion

    I think it’s surely a possible cause. People are commenting about this topic a lot on this forum in the past.

    That is not anywhere near third world levels, especially in the 90s. Their level of militarization is untypical for most countries in the world,

    Sure, this is true – but when they subtract all the money for security, military and investment, and the effect of the regional boycott of Israel. Then the cost of absorbing immigrants. The population had doubled in the 1950s, with the arrival of the Arab Jews – who were immigrating from third world countries. The economy has also operating import substitution, as if it was like a miniature Soviet Union.

    The development level in country was “feeling like” something like 1960s Italy and Japan. It has an atmosphere of transition and development between the third world and first world.

    This illustrated most in cities where there are both third world (or lower second world) and first world construction, near to each other.

    For example, look how externally “third world” (except in terms of prices) 1950s apartment buildings, people are living in Bat Yam

    Armenia is good example Imperialism, martial valour, being under siege and hyper-Patriotism

    Sure Armenia is not like a multinational empire, as they are 98% ethnically Armenia.

    But Armenia, they are certainly hyper-patriotic, feeling under siege, and also idealizing martial valour.

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  179. @AaronB

    I dont know if there are many White Nationalists on this site, but one should not worry about them. They have no, and cant even have unity, for they are, like I commented before, they are a rag tag band of various outliers of society, some are neo-pagans, some nativist Christians, some larp as Nazis, some have some kind of imagined mystical traditionalist, but still hyper individualist view of reality, there are so many kinds of them. Their main problem is purity spiraling, even Hitler had in his close circles people of Polish and Jewish descent. If they would have little more pragmatism the White Nationalists could really gain some momentum and have a nice and respectable image. Like rebranding themselves and saying that we are Western traditionalists(or something), we accept other peoples, but then in reality they would put so high standards, that only some very, very fair and westernized Indians and Persians could pass those standards. Probably those Indians and Persians who would be so obsessed with some imaginary whiteness, that they could be quite valuable members etc. Then they would not have such Nazi or racist stigma.

    Jews are not an impenetrable community, but they have standards of defining who is a Jew and who is not, who should be let into their community and who should not be. As you very well know.

    Still for me White Nationalists are a non-issue, they are a marginal minority and they dont affect politics, maybe as scapegoats, like those 90s Satanists, remember?

    I dont even accept such modernist and Anglo concept as Whiteness, so its not even non-issue for me, its totally an imaginary matter for me. If some people speak about White people this, or white people that, I think American Whites, or Brits who have lost their sense of self and have become utterly Americanized. Yes American Whites as a group exists to me, but to me it just means Anglo-Americans and those who have assimilated into Anglo-American nation.

  180. @Dmitry

    You are not at all getting what I mean conceptually. Without Imperialism, without big country, its like a soup without salt and pepper, it just wouldnt work!

    “Great Eurasian Land Empire™”

    -Soviet Union

    -The Great Qing

    -Russian Empire

    -Mongol Empire

    Who starts to think of Armenia when other guy is repeating all the time the “Great Eurasian Land Empire™”!

    For example, look how externally “third world” (except in terms of prices) 1950s apartment buildings, people are living in Bat Yam

    To me that looks quite second world, but then I have never been in Latin America, compared to Asian third world that is quite okay. Everything seems messier and more chaotic in Arab countries, although apartment blocks are somewhat similar.

  181. songbird says:
    @AaronB

    Israel was bringing people in, not out.

    Ingress is is a different logistical problem than egress, to be fair. Will other countries want their expats who live in Europe? Under the right conditions, I think so. With fertility collapsing, they might want assimilable people, to fill their emptying cities and prevent them from becoming ghost towns. And there are many other possible incentives.

    [MORE]

    But do the neo-colonialists want to see their colonial map retreat, just as the colonial map of Europe retreated? Does Erdogan want to lose his direct influence over Germany? Well, I’m guessing that there are some in Turkey who would want a counterweight to Kurdish growth. I’m less certain about other countries, but we must also think of the desires of Europeans, and weigh that in the balance.

    Israel, which needed to counterbalance the Arabs, had a limited number of Ashkenazim to draw from, and many (most?) lived in better, safer countries than Israel, so the appeal was limited to a certain extent. They had to draw from their available pool – the Jews who lived in worse countries than Israel – the Mizrahim.

    A proper European analogy would be if Europeans drew on their available pool – the Europeans who live outside of Europe, to counterbalance the Arabs and blacks within Europe now – if they were given special treatment over Arabs and blacks, as Jews were given over Arabs. Of course, the genetic distance between these two groups of Europeans is much lower, than between different types of Jews, effectively zero in many cases, but there is a much larger pool to possibly draw from, and we must acknowledge that. I think Europe could easily convince a few million back, with the right policies. Heck, I’m sure many white South Africans would want to go Europe, right now, though many of them have more admixture than, say, Americans.

    I don’t think there were many in Israel who genuinely thought Ethiopians were assimilable, but black Jews are much smaller in number, comprising only 1.75% of Israel’s population and being a powerful means of virtue signaling, while limiting one’s commitments to a more static population of blacks. Not that I am inferring that there are no open-border enthusiasts within Israel – I just don’t think that they are the dominant force.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  182. I should remind that Buddhist concept of Aryan is totally different from the Hitlers Aryan. Sadly some uncivilized people have tried to appropriate such concepts and claimed “that we wuz Aryans.”

    Historically, before the Aryan larpers of the early 20th century, there were two different ways to understand what Aryan meant.

    Originally they were Indo-European nomadic inhabitants of Central Asia, who resembled more modern day Tajiks than they would have resembled the modern day Germans.

    But there arose a new understanding among the religious traditions of ancient India and Persia, it meant someone who is spiritually noble and pure. In this context its still used in Dharmic religions, and so it has been almost three millennia now, so its very sad that NSDAP spoiled our concept of Aryan and our precious Swastika. In Buddhism its much more important concept than in any other religions and it has a much deeper meaning. Its not just spiritually noble person, but those beings who have directly perceived the nature of our reality.

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  183. AP says:
    @Hyperborean

    I think this is a rather idealistic interpretation of that era.

    How so? Previously alien peoples whom Nativist “Know Nothings” had hated, became assimilated into American society, adopting and championing American values.

    What would you define “exclusion” as then?

    Ignoring and rejecting people who otherwise could be assimilated.

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    , @EldnahYm
  184. AP says:
    @AltanBakshi

    If Peter was then there or if Peter was born, blah blah…. Its a very serious ontological accusation that being has separate self or substance from his time, culture and birth circumstances.

    Relax, I was making a good and correct analogy. Peter got exposed to northern Protestant Europe, loved what he saw, and reformed his patrimony along those lines in order to modernize and improve it. Included in this was a radical and sometimes brutal reformation of the Russian Orthodox Church Ironically this involved packing the Church hierarchy in Russia, with people from Ukraine. Also ironically, you speak disparagingly of Jesuits but the first head of Peter’s Church, Stefan Yavorsky, was a Galician who had been educated in Jesuit schools.

    Similarly, about 100 years earlier, the Rus lords of what is now Ukraine and Belarus were exposed to the glittering European Catholic world and sometimes brutally modernized and reformed their own patrimonies, including with a religious component by promoting the Union and often personally converting to Roman Catholicism.

    PLC was a fricking oligarchy, king was elected, thats a structural and critical fault in the fundaments of the country, no country of the 18th century could have gained strength and power by such model of succession in leadership.

    It needed reform and reform was done, but too late because the country was surrounded. Still, PLC lasted longer than the Second Reich which was in a similar position.

    Russian leader of the late 16th or early 17th century would have had big problems with conversion to Catholicism, we all know what happened in the 1612, when perfidious Lyakhs, beyond all redemption, ravaged the Holy Russia, and supported the only Catholic ever to sit on a Russian throne, the thrice cursed apostate known by the name of the False Dmitry.

    It would have succeeded if not for Sigismund’s stubbornness and the Russian boyars’ switching sides. This was the last chance for a Slavic super-state to be formed.

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  185. Vivek says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Quite the outburst there friend. I am merely elucidating the machinations of a third party, yet you are reacting as if it is me who is responsible for these machinations. There is no malice in my words, just amusement. Your statement that I am the product of western POZ could not be any further from the truth. I am its very antithesis. I am not going to spill my inner workings into this post, but if you read Kipling’s The Gods of the Copybook Headings then you will have some idea of my worldview. I am merely unsentimentally rational, in the classic sense of that word before it had come to be subverted and corrupted.

    He [ME] clearly derives some satisfaction by believing that he will be a part of the Kapo class in the futures Globohomo plantation. In my opinion deriving joy from prospects of such despicable managerial position is a sign of personal pettiness and servility. Dont you see how he is gloating?

    I wouldn’t call it satisfaction, amusement is again the better word. And even if it was satisfaction, and even if I were gloating, what of it? You make it sound as if finding yourself in a position of power is to be despised. This kind of mindset is the ultimate expression of the modern POZ and shows that it is actually you who are what you have accused me of being: a defenestrated creature of the marxist brainwashing programme. What kind of utter fool would make a statement that a desire for power is a “sign of personal servility?” I suppose then that Genghis Khan and Alexander are prototypes of servility while self-flagellating white cucks pining for the coming of their own dispossession are mighty ubermen? Laughable.

    Ultimately the deal is this. It’s not too long ago-within the lifetime of people alive today as a matter of fact- that whites pranced around India and much of the rest of the world as a smug ruling caste complete with local servants and all, administering the affairs of the “primitives” for “their own good.” Am I a frothing at the mouth “woke revolutionary” demanding that historical wrongs be righted? No. But would I mind finding myself in an analogous position, prancing around historically white countries like I owned the place, with some pretty young white domestic servants to keep the crib nice and polished? Nope, I wouldn’t mind at all.

    Finally, I have no pity for the whites whatsoever, only contempt. It’s one thing to be overcome by the superior force of the enemy. That’s tragic and just the result of being dealt a bad hand, much like childhood leukemia. But whites are even to this day in possession of by far the most powerful civilization the world has ever seen. If they end up as a conquered, oppressed race, it will be due to their own perversion. Whites are probably the first peoples in history who hates itself and glorifies outsiders. It’s a veritable slave mentality, and guess what people with slave mentality become on this cold hard earth?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  186. @AP

    How so? Previously alien peoples whom Nativist “Know Nothings” had hated, became assimilated into American society, adopting and championing American values.

    I think it is idealistic because it neglects the forcefulness of the measures taken. Ellis Island nostalgia is also dangerous when it leads people to expect the same outcome in the contemporary era when laxism and institutional multiculturalism is much stronger.

    • Agree: songbird
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  187. Vivek says:
    @sudden death

    btw, do you feel lots of racial unity with other browns such as Pakistanis or Arabs even if temporary teaming up against whites?

    Not lots, but certainsly some, if only in a very cynical way. In the USA it was “brown squad” all the way in high school. I think we have much more to gain putting aside petty historical and territorial differences and jumping wholly unto the POC platform so conveniently created for us by Dmitry’s people. I’m not religious so that whole aspect of things doesn’t carry any weight, and what’s some inhospitable border territory compared to getting into cahoots and becoming a ruling class in North America, Europe, and perhaps ultimately Russia and China as well. That’s the world right there, fullstop.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  188. Vivek says:
    @Ano4

    “And what about all the gender issues? The LGBTQ coalition is also playing a role in the dehumanization of the Whites?”

    No, feminism as well as all the tedious LGBTQ crap is part of the conquest (divide and conquer if you will) not the dehumanization. Just a way to drive fissures into the population to weaken cohesiveness and create opportunity to sow discord. The globalist ethny needs substrate to work with, it needs to be able to manipulate one group to pit against another. Where no distinct groups exist organically, they must be created, and that’s where your classic “class war” marxism came into play.

    Biological Marxism is of course going to end up being the most effective, but since the demographics aren’t quite there yet and definitely weren’t there decades ago at the onset, creating discord around sexuality was just one more way to weaken the host. Instead of whites the monolithic block, now you have white men, white women, and sexual minorities. Agitate, add a bucket of grievance studies, and there you go, now you have some substrate you can work with to weaken the host some more.

    Make no mistake though, feminism and LGBTQ isn’t going to serve as any kind of defense for white females and fags once the demographic transformation is complete and you no longer need the whites to cooperate in their own subjugation. This isn’t even a speculation on my part, notice that feminism was quietly dispensed with in the context of Rotherham and nothing is being made about the migrant rape epidemic in Europe. The Bolsheviks played the feminist angle both before and after the Russian Revolution, then went on to happily rape untold hundreds of thousands (or even millions?) of ethnic slavic women.

  189. Vivek says:
    @EldnahYm

    Your view of Indians benefiting from current wokeness is accurate, but short-sighted. For starters, most of the benefits accruing to Indians with a few exceptions are relatively modest. More academic positions, more “diversity” positions, presence in “high skilled” jobs, etc. This kind of stuff doesn’t scale up very far, there are only so many positions.

    The benefits of wokeness will increase as the power of wokeness increases. Remember, whites are still at around 70% of the electorate in the USA, there is only so hard you can push before it starts becoming counterproductive to the long term vision. Obviously as the political power of whites wanes the ability of minorities to take more and more from them will wax. Just a waiting game at this point.

    Where is all this ultimately going, and just how much whites stand to lose, I can only speculate. Consider that Dmitry’s people have already been in just about complete control of the United States for decades. They control the financial system, the media, foreign policy, the culture itself. Yet they have elected to enact a massive demographic transformation, which stands to not only weaken this powerful state that they control, but also potentially weaken their stranglehold on power. There is a lot of risk in this maneuver, so clearly they are doing this for some payoff. What could this payoff possibly be? The only thing I can think of is that they want to be able to do something to the whites that they would never be able to accomplish without the whites being a powerless minority. In other words, just because only a few things are on the table today, doesn’t mean more things won’t be on the table tomorrow.

    Probably liberalism will have more deleterious effects on minorities, simply because it’s more alien to their traditions. You might want to consider the possibility that results which ultimately benefit no one might be the ultimate endpoint of all of this. Even if minorities marginalize whites, it will likely be a pyrrhic victory.

    Maybe, but I think the potential rewards outweigh the risks. At any rate, today’s liberalism exists primarily as a mechanism to weaken whites. I find it highly likely that liberalism will be entirely done away with once whites lose political power, because at that point liberalism will actually start getting in the way. Remember, the radical left was all for free speech and tolerance while on the come up, and now that its in control, it’s totalitarian censorship and punch a fascist in the face. Once whites political power is gone so too will liberalism.

    So far it’s actually liberal whites using wokeness to defeat badwhites. Minorities are secondary. Your idea is thatminorities will replace the goodwhites. I am skeptical of this. We have yet to see much in the way of a minority political coalition. It’s whites holding everything together. Minorities otherwise will fight with each other, and the incentives will be different. Diversity is not strength.

    Wokeness is being used by the globalist ethny to defeat whites. Goodwhites are just moronic useful idiots and their fate will be no different than that of every other white once they are no longer needed, in other words once the demographic override is in place. Out of everything I’ve said here that is the most satisfying part to me, and it should certainly be to you as well.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  190. @Vivek

    I’m not religious so that whole aspect of things doesn’t carry any weight, and what’s some inhospitable border territory compared to getting into cahoots and becoming a ruling class in North America, Europe…

    Idk how old are, but you might be bit late for the party as it already happened, but I for one welcome the ruling brown overlords as long as they come in shape and look of Priti Pratel or Nimrata Nikki Randhawa, better known as Nikki Haley 🙂

    But more seriously, once again modern British whites can serve as example about non existing broad white unity – seemingly led not by Jews, but by the likes of Nigel Farage, they Brexited, in fact shutting white immigration from Eastern Europe, meanwhile leaving the door widely open and welcoming for the likes of Rishi Sunak or Sajid David.

  191. @Vivek

    This kind of mindset is the ultimate expression of the modern POZ and shows that it is actually you who are what you have accused me of being: a defenestrated creature of the marxist brainwashing programme. What kind of utter fool would make a statement that a desire for power is a “sign of personal servility?” I suppose then that Genghis Khan and Alexander are prototypes of servility while self-flagellating white cucks pining for the coming of their own dispossession are mighty ubermen? Laughable.

    Do you know what Kapo means?

    Kapo class in the futures Globohomo plantation. In my opinion deriving joy from prospects of such despicable managerial position is a sign of personal pettiness and servility.

    Kapos were trusted prisoners of the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. They got some privileges, better food, they werent killed immediately etc. But still they were prisoners. Maybe I should make a comparison with the Indian history. Theres a good book by Nehruji, the Discovery of India its called, and in that book Nehru tells that there were many autonomous princes in the British Raj, they had much wealth and some limited power over their subjects, but they were never allowed to become members of the British clubs in India, nor they had any part in the actual administration of the Raj. Maybe some exceptional Indians will have such princely positions in the world of the future, maybe, but clearly you are not one of them, but maybe you could be part of the Zamindar class. You would be a dog of your masters, hated by your own people and disrespected by your masters. Because you are utterly delusional if you think that Indians as whole will become some kind of master class like British were in India during the 19th century. Most Indians will still be the proletariat of that system, workers, craftsmen, manufacturers etc.

    Very funny that you bring the Chingghis Khaan to this discussion, excellent way to show how you have a mind of a slave. Temujin in his youth was captured and made a slave, but he rebelled and escaped, later when he had united few tribes and formed the original Mongol state, the Khamag Mongol Khanate, he had multitudes of problems and dangers. His small statelet, which was situated between todays northern Mongolia and Zabaykalsky (Aga) krai had probably just 40 to 60 thousand people, he was surrounded from every direction by enemies. For a long time the paramount power of China, the Great Jin Empire, which was called Altan Uls, the Golden Nation by the Mongols, had ruled the steppes, by keeping small khanates quarreling between each other, by offering Khans titles and precious goods of the empire. Chingghis or Temujin was just a upstart nobody, but he had gained some prestige and made himself famous in the steppes, so the emperor of the Jin after hearing of all of this offered him titles and gifts, even offered to give military help and gold, all that if Temujin would rule the steppes in behalf of the great emperor of the Jin. History would be quite different if he would have that kind of petty mind, that such position wouldve been enough for young Temujin, to be a petty manager of his people in behalf of foreign masters, still even if he would, he wouldve been on different level than you.

    Ultimately the deal is this. It’s not too long ago-within the lifetime of people alive today as a matter of fact- that whites pranced around India and much of the rest of the world as a smug ruling caste complete with local servants and all, administering the affairs of the “primitives” for “their own good.” Am I a frothing at the mouth “woke revolutionary” demanding that historical wrongs be righted? No. But would I mind finding myself in an analogous position, prancing around historically white countries like I owned the place, with some pretty young white domestic servants to keep the crib nice and polished? Nope, I wouldn’t mind at all.

    Finally, I have no pity for the whites whatsoever, only contempt.

    Oh so you definitely have a post-colonial mindset, a slaves mind who is occupied with such base matters as revenge and maidservants. Ha Ha Ha. Sher Singh here you can see that even an Indian can be a Mleccha, that even upper caste persons spirit can become black as Shudras during the Kali Yuga, it would be even funnier if you are Gujarati. This is too funny. Oh well, I dont mind if Anglo societies are full of such creatures, or should I say goblins having inferiority complexes and fantasies of Anglo maidservants. When the Kali Yuga will end, you will be lucky if you are not born as animal but as Shudra. Nietzsche spoke of the Blond Beast, with unreined passions, with immense will to power, maybe you are the “Brown Beast?” The Ideal Kapo, or Zamindar, the perfect petty ruler and servant of the colonial overlords! A Slave King! Hmm but you probably dont even understand what I try to explain to you, like I said, you are just a confused post-colonial product of the Anglo society.

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    , @Vivek.
  192. @sudden death

    But more seriously, once again modern British whites can serve as example about non existing broad white unity – seemingly led not by Jews, but by the likes of Nigel Farage, they Brexited, in fact shutting white immigration from Eastern Europe

    I don’t think this is particularly unique to Britain, I get the impression that Germans prefer their assimilated Turkish immigrants to recent Polish immigrants.

    In fact I think a lot of the reason Poles have tended to choose Britain rather than Germany is because they feel more welcome here than in Germany.

    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @Hyperborean
  193. @Europe Europa

    Which somewhat partially may be also explained by the history of intra-white wars/conflicts, which in case of Poles/Germans relations arose from Middle Ages, whereas no such baggage exists between Poles/AngloSaxons.

  194. @sudden death

    But more seriously, once again modern British whites can serve as example about non existing broad white unity – seemingly led not by Jews, but by the likes of Nigel Farage, they Brexited, in fact shutting white immigration from Eastern Europe, meanwhile leaving the door widely open and welcoming for the likes of Rishi Sunak or Sajid David.

    Yes, I am sure that’s what British proletar-peasantry thought they were voting for:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DktuGozX0AABfCU?format=jpg&name=small

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DjDVa5WWsAM4sZb?format=jpg&name=large

    • Replies: @sudden death
  195. @Hyperborean

    So is Nigel Farage that almighty white genocider Jew too, dirty scheming with poor clueless white British chaps? 😉

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @songbird
  196. @sudden death

    So is Nigel Farage that almighty white genocider Jew too, dirty scheming with poor clueless white British chaps? 😉

    No, Farage is merely an America-worshipper.

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  197. @Hyperborean

    No, Farage is merely an America-worshipper.

    While a shiny new American saviour of world whites Donald strongly praised and backed him for doing it as that muddy Barrack was against 🙂

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  198. @sudden death

    While a shiny new American saviour of world whites Donald strongly praised and backed him for doing it as that muddy Barrack was against 🙂

    I don’t even support Brexit and have criticised it several times precisely for the point that it distracts attention from Westminster’s culpability and merely leads to non-white migration flows replacing European flows.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/belarus-sitrep-1/#comment-4102638

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/new-heights-of-nezalezhnost/#comment-3984771

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-99-5/#comment-3711302

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-77/#comment-3238224

    I am merely pointing out that British Leave voters did not intend to not vote for a darker country, just like Caribbean, African and South Asian Remain voters did not intend to vote for a whiter country.

  199. @AltanBakshi

    For a long time the paramount power of China, the Great Jin Empire, which was called Altan Uls, the Golden Nation by the Mongols, had ruled the steppes, by keeping small khanates quarreling between each other, by offering Khans titles and precious goods of the empire.

    Just like Sikhs being offered Turkish princesses for conversion.

    Sher Singh here you can see that even an Indian can be a Mleccha, that even upper caste persons spirit can become black as Shudras during the Kali Yuga, it would be even funnier if you are Gujarati.

    Of course, read Krishna & Ram Avatar. Muslim Jats rule Pakistan..

    Now on to “Vivek”.. notice he didn’t reply to me.

    Zamindar

    Zamindari requires brutal physical force to maintain disposition & remain a lord||

    I’m not religious

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    I get being the only Indian kid in HS and what that entails. I’m not here to chastise your views and applaud your honesty||

    I’d rather we conquer on our own terms, than give up Dharma||
    That’s the difference between being a King and a Vassal||

    Once white political power is gone so too will liberalism.

    No, we’re pretty much next and I get how hard it is for Hindus to see past petty tribalism now that Brahmins can’t enforce out-casting||

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  200. @Europe Europa

    In fact I think a lot of the reason Poles have tended to choose Britain rather than Germany is because they feel more welcome here than in Germany.

    Unlike several other Western European states the Blair government did not apply any waiting period on free movement from the new Eastern EU states. Poles are also more likely to speak English than they are to speak German.

    Kamil Wolczyk, who manages Polish recruitment for Germany at the Work Service recruitment agency, told Al Jazeera that German companies, especially in health care, logistics, construction and manufacturing, were turning their attention to skilled Polish workers leaving the UK. Some are also relaxing language requirements for temporary workers, thanks partially to government funds earmarked for companies who want to invest in language training for new staff.

    “The German market was always one of the most desirable immigration directions for Polish workers,” Wolczyk told DW. “We have to remember that the German market was opened for Polish workers long after Poland joined the EU and the German language was always a big barrier between Polish workers and German employees.”

    Wolczyk said it had taken a long time before German clients understood they could not force Polish employees to speak high-level German. “Luckily this trend is declining, so Polish workers have much more possibilities, with their English skills, to work in Germany,” he added.

    Germany overtakes UK

    And it seems to be working. The number of Poles working in the UK has dropped by 98,000 to 695,000, meaning the UK now trails Germany’s 706,000 Polish workers. This is the first time the UK hasn’t topped the list since 2006.

    Since joining the EU, the number of economic migrants in the EU from Poland has more than doubled to 2.5 million in 2017, according to figures from the Polish statistical office. At 783,000 in 2016, including 55,000 in Berlin, Poles now make up the second-biggest foreign community in Germany, after Turks.

    https://m.dw.com/en/germany-bound-poles-kiss-uk-goodbye/a-51391225

    Those are just Polish citizens. According to German government’s 2018 microcensus there were 2 253 000 residents with Polish migratory background. According to the 2011 census there were 2 006 410 with Polish migratory background.

  201. @sher singh

    I meant that it would be even funnier if Vivek is Gujarati. For some reason Gujarati diaspora is more susceptible to Woke ideology and obsesses too much about caste and class stuff. Gujarati people are good, but their diaspora is another matter.

    I’d rather we conquer on our own terms, than give up Dharma||
    That’s the difference between being a King and a Vassal||

    Strongly agree, better dead than giving up Dharma. Death is nothing in comparison. But Shudras cant even grasp such matters.

    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/the-missing-hindus-in-south-asia-and-a-conspiracy-of-silence/story/1/1149.html

    Again I strongly agree, there were many Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. Bangladesh had 28% population of Hindus before the partition and in the British census of 1872 they were still 53% majority in eastern Bengal. Khulsa, Buddhist majority Chittagong Hill tracts and eastern Sindh should have gone to India. Bhutan is different case, most of those Hindus who were expelled, were illegal and quite recent Nepali immigrants, and many of them are not real Hindus, but followers of various Himalayan animistic religions.

    I have question for you Sher Singh, do you fear that in near future Muslims will gain majority in Assam and West Bengal? In Assam its a serious threat. Should India do something to stop such development and how? What about Bangladesh and illegal immigration coming from there?

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  202. @AltanBakshi

    serious threat

    Hindus are impotent.

  203. songbird says:
    @sudden death

    How hard is it to understand that the UK exists under the same regime narrative as the US? Are we going to pretend that there is no Jewish cultural influence there? That they’ve never seen a Hollywood movie? That Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t a special object of media attack? That there are no Holocaust memorials there?

    Oh, there are hordes of perfidious native Europeans. I am not excusing them, but it is pretty hard to analyze them outside of the prevailing ideology of de-Nazification, which doesn’t obviously seem to be a native European ideology. Compare West Germany to East, or Germany to Japan, and you will see how the stronger Jewish influence lies.

  204. AaronB says:
    @Hyperborean

    I had to look that up too.

    It is similar, but based on race. And it wants a homogenized nation. It resists global homogenization but demands internal homogenization. It does not genuinely see value in pluralism. It accepts a pluralistic world as the price it must pay for a homogenized nation. It is merely a concession, not a deep philosophic recognition of the value of pluralism.

    19th century nationalism was a form of hidden globalism. Each state despised other states and wanted to conquer as much as possible and impose its way of life. Imperialism with its civilizing mission was a natural extension of this.

    Globalism with its desire for a homogenized world is a natural successor to 19th century nationalism. Nationalism is archaic globalism.

    Neither see value in genuine pluralism. One should ask the leftist multiculturalists who oppose nationalism why they oppose global multiculturalism and apply their principle inconsistently. One should ask nationalists who want a homogenized nation why they oppose a homogenized world

    Israel is a decent but not great example. Despite the fevered imaginings of the unz antisemites, Zionism is inherently limited in scope. They don’t seek to impose their way of life on the eorld or conquee it. And Israel is made up of many communities with different ways of life united in a larger framework.

    What am talking about is a deep philosophical understanding of the value of pluralism that forestalls the old impuse yo jomogenize based on something like Buddhist metaphysics which sees individualoty and the whole mot as opposites but two so the samecoin.

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  205. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Christianity and the Enlightenment ideology (“wokeness”) that grew out of it are totalizing belief systems – they see no value in the Other and want to impose their way of life on the world, because they see humankind as a single entity moving through history towards a single goal. Nationalism stands in the way. Multiculturalism is necessary to break up nations, but multiculturalism must too eventually be dissolved and mankind homogenized. It is just a tool.

    But there is no mankind. There are just individual humans with their different values.

    This point of view necessarily leads to war, imperialism, moral crusades, attempts to control, futile utopian visions of human perfectability.

    I would substitute a point of view based on Buddhist metaphysics which is non-dual – non-dualism means everything depends on its opposite and there is no real fight. There are not two things – black and white, one of which can conceivably win out over the other. There is instead black-white – which exists in a relationship of polarity, not opposition (polarities define each other, opposition seeks to extinguish). You are not enemies with your enemy – you are friends-enemies. If your enemy were to vanish you would collapse.

    In this view, history is not moving towards some divine far off event. It has no goal. The focus is shifted away from the future and onto the Now. The arts and sciences of life will no longer be in the service of future perfecrability but in service of making life good for humans now. The much criticized sacrifice of humanity to technology – based on the idea that indiscriminate technological advance is good because our goal is the future development of humanity – will be reversed and technology will serve humanity, which no longer sees value in sacrificing everything to the future.

    People look to the future – and seek endless time – because they are denied what psychologists used to call “primary satisfaction” – the deep filfillment of our human nature. Denied this, they need enfless time to chase after this feeling that forever eludes them because once you believe it is found in the future you have lost it forever. That is at the bottom of all desire to live forever, all transhumsnism (a conference of transhumsnists is a conference of depressed people), and all persobal survival after death and eternal heavens.

    We should work on finding a way of life that provides primary satisfaction – a civilization less repressive than past ones, and if we cant entirely have a civilization without some repression, we should – like Zen people – develop the ability to “see through” societies strictures and rules and obey them laughingly, without taking them seriously.

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  206. @AP

    In the 16th century the spirit of times was different and elites were much more genuinely religious. I dont believe that it could have succeeded in Russia, but this is again a highly subjective scenario, alternative history stuff…

  207. @AaronB

    Oh boy, you already have a political philosophy influenced by religion, its called Zionism, if you didnt know. Why you have this innate impulse to appropriate others genuine faiths and mutilate them so that they could better serve your half cooked political purposes? Go to Advaita Vedantins if you want non-duality, Advaita literally means non-dual. We use Advaya, which is sometimes wrongly translated as non-dual, but it literally means “not two,” meaning that all phenomena are free from two extremes, those two extremes are eternalism and annihilationism, there is no inherent and independent existence for the phenomena, nor do they disappear or can be annihilated out from existence.

    Your stuff is not anything new, its quite basic Tirthika way to understand Dharmic truths.
    If you really want to politicize Buddhism, please at least have some dignity and try to learn Dharma, the basics and then the advanced stuff. Is this what religious Jews feel when they meet hardcore Evangelical Zionists blabbering about the Tanakh?

    Your mind constantly tries to grasp something, it tries to be attached to something and wants to conceptualize something, see the root reason for that tendency, then the truths of Dharma will open to you. Do not follow the fabrications, but return to the source. It will hurt, deeply, but after that it will get easier, even pain is not eternal, nor does have inherent existence, no ones suffering is his own, then the tension and stress will be released, dont worry we are all on the same boat…

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  208. @Anon 2

    FFS, serious question – are you a passive member or active practitioner in the “religion” of paedophilia?
    I thought maybe this Polina Karpenko was some famous supermodel from Belarus or at least somebody with a few 100000 subscribers, searched her…… and seriously, WTF is wrong with you?
    To make things worse….. you are using her as some type of gauge on cultural/geopolitical issue!

    I was expecting you would do something credible and praise for the very, very, extremely rare Polish success story of the potential all-time great tennis player Iga Swiatek…….. but now I realise that at 19 years old she is too much of a “pensioner” for you.

  209. EldnahYm says:
    @AP

    How so? Previously alien peoples whom Nativist “Know Nothings” had hated, became assimilated into American society, adopting and championing American values.

    Assimilation is a flawed notion which assumes from the outset that to-be-assimilated groups have no effect upon the society they are “assimilating” into. All measures of assimilation I have seen suffer from this flaw, and are therefore useless.

    What people actually mean when they say “assimilation” is elimination of ethnic ghettos, elimination of identity with co-ethnics, and genetic mixing. We know how this works in American history. How did some Ellis Islanders get “assimilated?” New groups of people moved in, either new foreigners or blacks from the south, and destroyed their sense of community just as Ellis Islanders did to previous inhabitants. Meanwhile the oldest groups must learn to accommodate an ever growing number of strangers, to the point that the older group is destroyed.

    It’s not even correct so say that Ellis Islanders have assimilated. To this very day, there are Irish Catholic voting blocs which vote the same way, run the local unions, are chiefs of police etc. There are still parts of the northeast where Irish, Italians, and other undesirables have their own areas.

    It’s nonsense to speak of people adopting “American values.” American values of today have little in common with American values of 100 years ago, much less values from 1776 or even earlier. Instead it is “American values” which must adapt.

  210. AP says:
    @Hyperborean

    I think it is idealistic because it neglects the forcefulness of the measures taken.

    I wasn’t addressing that but yes.

    Ellis Island nostalgia is also dangerous when it leads people to expect the same outcome in the contemporary era when laxism and institutional multiculturalism is much stronger.

    We seem to be communicating on different wavelengths. I was pointing out that many Latinos have turned towards Trump and that such people ought to be embraced and welcomed. While what you write is correct it’s a bit perpendicular to the point I was making.

  211. EldnahYm says:
    @Vivek

    The benefits of wokeness will increase as the power of wokeness increases.

    Not if the power of wokeness shrinks the size of the pie.

    Where is all this ultimately going, and just how much whites stand to lose, I can only speculate. Consider that Dmitry’s people have already been in just about complete control of the United States for decades. They control the financial system, the media, foreign policy, the culture itself. Yet they have elected to enact a massive demographic transformation, which stands to not only weaken this powerful state that they control, but also potentially weaken their stranglehold on power. There is a lot of risk in this maneuver, so clearly they are doing this for some payoff. What could this payoff possibly be? The only thing I can think of is that they want to be able to do something to the whites that they would never be able to accomplish without the whites being a powerless minority. In other words, just because only a few things are on the table today, doesn’t mean more things won’t be on the table tomorrow.

    Another possibility is that seeking to undermine host societies is something Jews are genetically programmed to do, and that Ashkenazim are neurotic, and therefore not rational. If Jews are rational actors, it’s strange to me that they have not done more to control the military. Jews always rely on some means of persuasion to control their societies. The problem with this tactic is it leaves you defenseless when people turn against you.

    Maybe, but I think the potential rewards outweigh the risks. At any rate, today’s liberalism exists primarily as a mechanism to weaken whites. I find it highly likely that liberalism will be entirely done away with once whites lose political power, because at that point liberalism will actually start getting in the way. Remember, the radical left was all for free speech and tolerance while on the come up, and now that its in control, it’s totalitarian censorship and punch a fascist in the face. Once whites political power is gone so too will liberalism.

    On this you are certainly wrong. Liberalism has destroyed fertility in every country it has touched. Northeast Asian countries are declining at a rate far exceeding northern European countries, and northeast Asians in western countries are no better.

    Wokeness is being used by the globalist ethny to defeat whites. Goodwhites are just moronic useful idiots and their fate will be no different than that of every other white once they are no longer needed, in other words once the demographic override is in place.

    While the scenario you outlined is certainly possible, I’m not sure it is likely. I’m not seeing an explanation for how you go from a society where whites do most of the useful work to a society where both the number of privileged minorities increases and the benefits minorities receive at the expense of whites increases. It seems more likely that the society collapses, or that minority benefits decline. This seems particularly likely when economic and technological growth are stagnating or declining, which they are.

    Out of everything I’ve said here that is the most satisfying part to me, and it should certainly be to you as well.

    Many goodwhites may deserve this fate, but it doesn’t give me any satisfaction to see them suffer from it. I would only get satisfaction if I thought it would benefit people I identify with.

  212. EldnahYm says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I can think of many better things to be unhappy about, in particular actual instances of anti-whiteness. The personal failings of Indians gloating on the internet are just not important. Besides, as I said before, gloating Indians could actually be useful. It would be better if white people had more Vivek’s to listen to rather than the softer propaganda they actually receive.

    • Agree: Ano4
  213. AaronB says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I’m not interested in religious Buddhism- I leave that to you.

    I’m interested in the psychology and metaphysics of Buddhism, which I think contain a lot of good insights. And even then only some schools.

    Non-duality and not two is the same thing. Not having inherent existence means the object does not exist without its context. It does not dissolve into its context, but every object can only be defined against its context, which means it needs its context to have an identity.

    This simple – and in hindsight inevitable- insight would revolutionize Westeen thinking. The destructive idea behind all the extreme revolutionary ideologies in the West, Communism, Nazism, Wokism, what have you, is dualism. The idea that an object has inherent existence on its and can “win” over its opposite – instead of being dependent on it. This is the idea that one quality can win finally over its opposite – that good can win over evil.

    Once you accept dualism, the craziness begins. Hustory begins. We can be free from history.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  214. AaronB says:
    @songbird

    In terms of population shifts and transfers, they are not difficult to do, you just have to have the political will. Im glad Israel brought in the Ethiopians, but I wouldn’t have supported bringing in millions of them.

    When you aren’t ideological, you can be reasonable and practical about things.

    Right now the West is in the grip of an ideology that says human history is trending towards its fulfillment which means a global post-racial society. Its basically a religious vision. Whites – as the most advanced and successful race – will spearhead this development of mankind and show the rest of the world how its done by deconstructing their own nationalism and racial allegiances first.

    So for the West, politics isn’t the art of practical solutions and adjustments to human problems as they arise, but a grand journey towards the next phase of hunan development. Its ideological and religious. In this environment, sane, practical measures are not possible.

  215. Vivek. says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Do you know what Kapo means?

    Of course I know what Kapo means. I was simply giving you the benefit of the doubt in supposing you were not making the asinine statement that the future would consist of literal concentration camps where I’m a literal Kapo. Looks like perhaps I was mistaken.

    Theres a good book by Nehruji, the Discovery of India its called, and in that book Nehru tells that there were many autonomous princes in the British Raj, they had much wealth and some limited power over their subjects, but they were never allowed to become members of the British clubs in India, nor they had any part in the actual administration of the Raj.

    What we are discussing here is far different. I agree that it’s humiliating and contemptible to serve as a petty overseer over your own people on behalf of a foreign master, which is the situation you have outlined. The future I am considering is one where we are in cahoots with other people of the global south to rule over the whites in historically white lands. A far different situation altogether as I hope you will be honest enough to acknowledge.

    Maybe some exceptional Indians will have such princely positions in the world of the future, maybe, but clearly you are not one of them…Because you are utterly delusional if you think that Indians as whole will become some kind of master class like British were in India during the 19th century.

    Perhaps, perhaps not. I think I can fairly reliably assume that the whites are to become a powerless minority across their ancestral homelands. What comes next would be pure speculation on my part, as would be predicting the role of Indians in all this. In very general terms however, my guess is that whites have much to lose and Indians much to gain in this scenario, at least those Indians who play their cards right. Just to be clear, all this is going to come to a head decades from now, so it’s not as if I am having high hopes of personally benefiting from anything we are discussing here. This topic is pure diversion for me.

    Even so, consider the needs and requirements of a future West where whites have been marginalized and most likely relegated to serf status. There are only so many Jews to go around, and while I’m sure they will manage to hold on to many of the highest level positions in the private and public sectors, they will be much like the Mongols in Yuan Dynasty China, far too few to manage the scale of the administrative task. Which tribe then is going to serve as the Semu and be the source of the competent manpower that will be needed to fill the high status, high stakes positions in the public and private administrative machinery? You can only have so many corrupt NAMs in important positions before the whole structure starts to crumble.

    I would be surprised if the Indian diaspora is not heavily tapped to step up and provide the bulk of this need. Who else has the numbers, disposition, and capacity for the job? The orientals have the IQ, but not the force of personality required. Furthermore, I believe that ultimately the goal is to bring China into the fold as well and reduce the Han to the same status as the whites, so Asians are out as full fledged partners. The Indian diaspora is already only behind the Jews as the most successful group in America, both in median terms and at the far right of the bell curve (Microsoft, Google, etc). I think it’s unlikely we will not rise even further when “systemic racism” begins to exist unironically and in earnest, and be directed against the whites.

    Oh so you definitely have a post-colonial mindset, a slaves mind who is occupied with such base matters as revenge and maidservants. Ha Ha Ha.

    You can miss me with the spiritual grandstanding. Base matters are all that I can be sure of. You may consider it unwise to dismiss the real and the base in favor of the hypothetical, because if your hypothesis is incorrect you may end up exiting this mortal plane without ever having experienced the enjoyment of anything tangible.

    • Agree: sher singh
    • Replies: @sher singh
    , @AltanBakshi
  216. @AaronB

    Non-duality and not two is the same thing. Not having inherent existence means the object does not exist without its context. It does not dissolve into its context, but every object can only be defined against its context, which means it needs its context to have an identity.

    It doesnt need anything, its your attached mind that needs something to attach to.

    If I am not articulate enough for you, then maybe its better to turn towards the guidance of the real Buddhist authorities.

    “If there is grasping,
    you do not have the view.”

    -Arya Mansjushri

    “The Victorious Conqueror has said that whatever
    is deceptive is false.
    compounded phenomena
    are all deceptive.
    therefore they are all false.”

    “The emptiness of the conquerors was taught in
    order to do away with all metaphysical views.
    Therefore it is said that whoever makes a metaphysical/philosophical view out of
    “emptiness” is indeed lost.”

    -Arya Nagarjuna

    Advaya teaches that there are no extremes, that there is not two, not one, not dual, not non-dual, not both, not either.

    As excellent Dutch Sinologist and scholar of Buddhism E.Durcher said: “Buddhism is not and has never pretended to be a “theory,” an explanation of the universe; it is a way to salvation, a way of life.”

    Or maybe Robert M. Gimello, who is a great scholar of Chan and emeritus professor of the Columbia University can explain it even better:

    “Just as particular material forms lack ontological own-being, so all predications lack the linguistic equivalent of own being – to wit, referential meaning. The Buddhist ultimate truth of emptiness is ineffable, then, but in a special sense – not because our words fall short of describing some transcendent reality called “emptiness,” but because all words are such that they lack referential content or are “empty” of substantive meaning (artha-sunyasabda). This holds despite the appearances and the common usage of the words. As there are really no determinate entities to be referred to, so words do not actually refer. Their indexical function is illusory, indeed it is one of the major fabrications of illusion. What is, and the emptiness thereof, will simply not submit to the language of determinateness. On the other hand there is no other kind of language. This no doubt accounts for the intractable character of the emptiness teaching and for its frequent misinterpretation.”

    Lets return to the Buddhist masters

    “A reflection that is mere designation is founded on a collocation of [causes and conditions] including the face and the other things which themselves exist as mere designations; a house is designated as dependent on its beams and other structural components which are also mere designations; and a forest is similarly designated as dependent on trees. Jus as in a dream one apprehends a sprout that tis not produced in and of itself(svabhavatah), so it is equally reasonable that no entity exists apart from its own designation; and this designation is founded on [a collocation of] other entities which are themselves mere designations.”

    -Arya Chandrakirti

    Now the Grande Finale, the Conqueror himself said this to the Great Kasyapa, the first patriarch of the Chan, the future Buddha of our world

    “It is not [the concept of] emptiness that makes things empty; rather, they are
    simply empty. It is not [the concept of] the absence of any ultimate cause
    that makes things lack such a cause, rather, they simply lack an ultimate
    cause. It is not [the concept of] the absence of an ultimate purpose that
    makes things lack an ultimate purpose; rather, they simply lack an ultimate
    purpose. Kasyapa, I call this careful reflection the Middle Way, truly careful
    reflection. Kasyapa, I say that those who refer to emptiness as “the mental
    image (upalambha) of emptiness” are the most lost of the lost …. Indeed,
    Kasyapa, it would be better to hold a philosophical view of the ultimate
    reality of the individual person the size of Mount Sumeru, than to be
    attached to this view of emptiness as “nonbeing.” Why is that?-Because,
    Kasyapa, emptiness is the exhaustion of all philosophical views. I call incurable whomever holds emptiness as a philosophical view. Kasyapa, it is as if a
    physician were to give medicine to a sick man, and when the medicine had
    cured all the original problems it remained in the stomach and was not itself
    expelled. What do you think, Kasyapa, would this man be cured of his
    disease? -No indeed, Blessed One, if the medicine cured all the original
    problems and yet remained in the stomach, unexpelled, the man’s disease
    would be much worse. The Blessed One said: Thus it is, Kasyapa, that
    emptiness is the exhaustion of all philosophical views. I call incurable whoever holds emptiness as a philosophical view.”

    -Tathagata, Ratnakutasutra

    Only which is truly existent is Dharma[although its more existent as law of nature], the correct way to live, to see owns illusory and codependent nature, to help others, because there is no substantial difference between us and them, there is reason and cause for Samsara, and that is suffering, gross forms and subtle forms of pain, but Blessed One taught that there is a way to salvation for all of us, if we do overcome our delusions and save ourselves and others, then all of this has meaning – If we continue to be attached to momentarily delusions and falsehoods, then there is no meaning, then we are forever stuck in a maze.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @AaronB
  217. @Vivek.

    Read an article while back titled Hindustanis as foederati of global empire.

    I’d fight along religious rather than racial lines, although currently it overlaps||
    Where do you think Hindus figure in this or do you intend to convert to Islam?

    I think the intention is to keep Hindus and Muslims embroiled in war,
    Africans used to keep whites in check||

    You forget that Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh were all Hindu/Buddhist.
    Add in India & that’s 50% of Islam||

    Re disaspora + Jew scenario
    Racial protection act of 70s UK is Sikh & Jews
    Jews gave Sikh free room board in UK

    Sikh can be any lineage though||

  218. In light of this the average Hindu might ask­why should we try and preserve a losing ideology, which in addition has the famous stratification of society into varna­s? The answer, as has been hinted in various places is that the monotheisms are merely covers for the replacement of populations by the dominant holders of the ideology;

    In Islam the Arabs will almost certainly replace every other ethnic group, even the Turks and Persians at a later stage. It follows that even if a Hindu jati/Hindu converts to a monotheism, after its/his political and cosmetic purposes are served they/he will certainly be disposed off genetically by various pressures;

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/management-of-savagery-by-abu-bakr-naji-analysis-from-a-hindu-viewpoint/

    more quotes below

    Basically, unless you’re fighting for Dharma it’s pointless.
    Dharma allows us to preserve our lineage and those of new converts returning to the fold.
    Would Indians be more powerful if Trump was Indian vs some Half-breed VP?
    Yes, I completely believe Dharma can save the white or any race & give you power you desire.

    However, you are unworthy of it||
    Among men foremost are the Aryas
    Among Aryas foremost is the Khalsa
    Among the Khalsa foremost is the Nihang Singh
    Among the Singhs foremost is the Buddha Dal

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4qHnE2F3LR/

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

    [MORE]

    we can see it in operation in the Philippines, Latin America, Persia, Egypt, Central Asia etc. where entire ethnicities have been wiped out and replaced partially by Arabic/White genetic material. This process will only amplify and continue, and the populations will get more White and Arab as time spent under Islamic and Christian dominance increases.

    Thus the monotheisms will end even the genetic existence of the ethnicities grouped as Hindus. In this struggle for existence, our memes too shall play a great role, and the memes that have resulted in the survival of every kind of jAti into modern times, are the brAhminical or brahma­kshtra memes.

    This important fact is glossed over by the proponents of liberalism who, in their rants against Hinduism never mention the ethnicities and the great similarity of populations all over the monotheist lands

    On the other hand, even in vaidika times there had been some sort of accomodation with the various non Arya communities by the Arya­s; for example the nagas of various regions, some nishada sthapatis were allowed to sponsor yajna-s, Rana Pratap fought marUnmattas alongside the bhilla­s, the sanskritization of many shudra jatis (as mutual opposition with brahmanAs waned over centuries, ended post gupta age) and the entry of Avarnas into public life in the modern republic of India. These successful social processes of integration are never acknowledged as the credit would have to go to Brahmanical Hinduism. On the other hand one can clearly see how Blacks/Filipinos are treated by whites, and by Muslims who explicitly enslave them.

    So, if we want to see our children and their children, we have to remove monotheism from the world especially Islam whose rate of Arabizaton & Turkization is extremely rapid.

    https://manasataramgini.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/khilonmada-charcha/

  219. In light of this the average Hindu might ask ­why should we preserve a losing ideology, The answer, as has been hinted; monotheisms are merely covers for the replacement of populations

    In Islam the Arabs will almost certainly replace even the Turks and Persians at a later stage. It follows that even if a Hindu jati/Hindu converts to a monotheism, after its/his political and cosmetic purposes are served they/he will certainly be disposed off genetically by various pressures;

    we can see in the Philippines, Latin America, Persia, Egypt, Central Asia etc. entire ethnicities have been wiped out and replaced by Arabic/White genetic material. This process will only amplify and continue, as time spent under Islamic and Christian dominance increases.

    https://vajrin.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/management-of-savagery-by-abu-bakr-naji-analysis-from-a-hindu-viewpoint/

    Unless you’re fighting for Dharma it’s pointless.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B4qHnE2F3LR/

    ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾ।।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ।।

  220. AaronB says:
    @AltanBakshi

    To say that something has no inherent existence means it is interdependent with everything else.

    Do you accept that emptiness means interdependence?

    “Emptiness is form, and form is emptiness.” The fact that its empty – has no inherent existence – is what makes it able to have form.

    Interdependence is what makes form possible. Form is identity (the outlines of something). The identity of something is defined everything else, everything is defined in relation to everything else.

    It is literally impossible to conceive of something without contrast. Contrast is literally the condition for thought. In that sense, contrast is the condition for us to perceive anything. Contrast depends on opposites and context.

    Form is dependent in contrast, on interdependence. Nothing can be perceived entirely in isolation – if it could, it would exist independently and have inherent existence.

    So my form can only be contrasted against yours, who opposes me – so you aren’t my enemy, underneath, we mutually arise, we imply each other.

    This militates against all totalizing schemes of assimilation. This is highly academic- we need myths.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  221. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    I propose the Middle Way in everything. And not as an insipid and listless moderation, a moderation which which has not given up the desire to have an extrene but confesses defeat and accepts moderation out of exhaustion. A moderation that still admires and wishes for an extreme.

    Rather, a transcending of extremes – a joyous embrace of the fact that opposites define each other, so that they exist in a relationship. Life is a play between two poles, not a war for one side of the pole to win!

    A moderation of joy rather than a moderation of despair, a moderation that is a play between two poles rather than a moderation that is a grudging admission of defeat.

    Such a life is a dance, fundamentally unserious, because it realizes that one side of a polarity cannot, by definition, win. So there is no fear and no hope – no hope because nothing needs to be hoped for. History not being about the fight for one side of a polarity to ultimately win, it becomes about the joy of the Now.

    Since Life cannot win against Death, and Death cannot win against Life, but both mutually arise and define and imply each other, cannot exist without each other, and are in a relationship not a war, human life is no longer about the need to survive at all costs.

    Since most of the repressions of civililization arise out of the fear of death and the feeling that we must survive for as long as possible at all costs – a much less repressive and free type of civilization can be created.

    As James Joyce said “history is a long nightmare from which we need to be released”.

    History begins with the dualistic world view – that one side of the polarity must win against the other, life against death instead of life-and-death, good against evil, rather than a realm beyond both. To be released from history and see life as a dance between poles rather than a movement towards one we must change our metaphysics.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  222. AaronB says:

    Wanted to share this quote from a book I was just reading.

    In the Genesis myth, Adam and Eve fell from grace because they attained “the knowledge of good and evil,” which is saying in the plainest way that they became distracted from Eden through concern with what is advantageous and disadvantageous in the environment. The Hebrew words for good and evil in this context mean precisely the useful and the useless, in other words, what is useful for survival and what is not. It would seem, then, that the Fall comes about through an obses­ sive and continuous preoccupation with survival, and thus it is logical for the Regainer of par a dise to say, “Whosoever would save his life shall lose it.” Nothing, apparently, could be more contrary to practical good sense, especially under th e conditions of a high civiliza­ tion which maintains its entire business by the perpetual inculcation of competition and anxiety. But the . par a dox of civilization is that the more one is anxious to survive, th e less survival is worth the trouble. And it looks as if, in the end, th e very tech n ology which fl ows from the knowledge of the useful and the useless will be the death of us all. On the other hand, there is a considerable and normally unexpected sur­ vival value in the very absence of anxiety to survive. Popular wisdom recognizes that care killed the cat because when the cat cares too much, it does not fall limply from the br a nch of a tree. Nothing is stronger than a certain gi ve, or spring y absence of rigidity, and this is certainly why evolution seems to favor the mammals more than the crustaceans-sensitive fl esh around bone rather than insensitive bone around fl esh.
    Without its resilient ease and looseness, the cat would cer­ tainly not have its nine lives.

  223. @AaronB

    I will answer more profoundly when I have more time, but most important among your many critical mistakes is forgetting that impermanence is key for understanding the middle way. Your thinking is very dualistic, I cant even understand why to claim that your thought is some how non dualistic? You constantly posit two poles and their dependence on each other and claim that its somehow non dualistic? Its like you claim that bubbles in the water foam have permanent polarity with the larger body of water.

    There is no two, there is no polarity, you are just projecting your delusions and attachments into nothing.

    Buddhism does not help you in this matter, what you are wishing deep inside is quite similar to my thinking regarding plurality. Before Judaism invented religious fanaticism, all people were polytheists and pluralists in the ancient world, if Greek visited Egypt or India he gave offerings to local Gods, if Roman visited Syria he could do the same, people understood that everyone has his own ways, own gods and traditions and respected that, that they have something in common and something thats different. That was the way of the Ancient Empires, where rulers could freely support different philosophies and religious cults at the same time, it was even seen as noble and pious. That all sadly has ended outside of some Asian countries, that is the world that you desire, Buddhism is just one part of that world, not the sole reason for such state of affairs, its more about when there is group of faiths, worldviews and philosophies that dont claim to have monopoly of/over truth for everyone, who see co existence and interaction as more beneficial for them, what you want is universal anti-universalism and tolerance among the people. That still lives among the Dharmic and Sinic religions, among Shamanists and Animists, but because of historical reasons it disappeared from the Western world and the Middle East. But somehow you think that its some kind of special and distinct quality or attribute of Buddhist thought and that the Buddhist thinking which is solely soteriological or dealing with the salvation is the way to transform the West to become authentically pluralist society. If Buddhism is White Lotus that grew in the garden of Dharmic and Sramanic traditions, you should try to find the literal root cause, and inspect the soil itself that gave birth to such plurality, and not be attached to one particular flower and its qualities. In my possibly mistaken opinion its the genuine polytheism which made such pluralism possible, for someone the Aphrodite was the most important god, for some it was the Athene, and for some Artemis, or many different kind of combinations of gods, but all understood that as gods are different, so are men, as gods have different paths, so have men, even if one would think someone being silly for devoting himself completely to some strange god like Cybele, he would not insult such person, maybe for fear of divine wrath, maybe for empathy, he himself would have special and devotional relationship to his own gods, so who he is to say that other ones choices are wrong, there, after all, are many gods and many sages. So it was in the Classical Era of humanity. The Spring time of Man. One day that Golden Age shall flower once more. Still there is its own beauty in the Autumn when most plants wither and die, except the strongest ones.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  224. @Vivek.

    You can miss me with the spiritual grandstanding. Base matters are all that I can be sure of. You may consider it unwise to dismiss the real and the base in favor of the hypothetical, because if your hypothesis is incorrect you may end up exiting this mortal plane without ever having experienced the enjoyment of anything tangible.

    Ive done my share of women and intoxicants, had my parties and hangovers. Theres no real or lasting happiness in such matters. If one thinks so then one is either base and animalistic or naive and inexperienced.

    Tangible? When we are dying on a hospital bed, when we cant breath easily, when we shit on bed, when every place hurts – what then it will help that we laid some broad 60 years ago, or showed some guy his place? Yes, when we are near death it will probably feel fucking relevant and tangible. Grow up!

    Semu class in Mongol ruled China, ha ha, Mongols had and have a sense of loyalty and honor, does the neoliberal oligarch class have any sense of those? To be condemned in eternal rat race, where you are always replaceable by your masters. Such naivety.

    • Agree: Ano4
  225. AaronB says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Your thinking is very dualistic, I cant even understand why to claim that your thought is some how non dualistic? You constantly posit two poles and their dependence on each other and claim that its somehow non dualistic? Its like you claim that bubbles in the water foam have permanent polarity with the larger body of water.

    Well it really comes down to what non dualism is. Many people have interpreted it as monism, that all differences are erased. But that would erect a dualism between differences vs no-differences – two entirely seperate and opposed states, and encourage us to choose one. Just as they are now, the two states must be identical if non dualism is to be maintained. The seeming opposition between the two states – pluralism and unity – must be shown to be false if a new duality is not to be created.

    The Buddhist Sutras are at pains to tell us differences do not disappear – not form dissolves into emptiness, but form is emptiness. They are at pains to tell us emptiness means interdependence (Nagarjuna), not the obliteration of differences. Nirvana is Sansara – they are not two seperate places.

    Non dualism means differences and no-differences do not form an opposition – they are already identical. How can this be? How can two seemingly opposed states be a unity?

    The answer is polarity. Poles are two ends of a single thing.

    There is no two, there is no polarity, you are just projecting your delusions and attachments into nothing.

    Then do you think non dualism meqns differences dissolve into a formless nothing? Monism?

    impermanence is key for understanding the middle way.

    Impermanence seems to have evolved into the Mahayana idea of emptiness, which seems superior to me and includes impermanence but is more comprehensive. Theravadin Buddhists thought individual things actually existed, and only the human self didn’t exist, and these individual things could actually cease to exist, they were impermanent. Emptiness extends the insight about no self to all individual objects – nothing individual actually exists, therefore nothing is born and nothing goes out of existence. There is only Form – forms are impermanent, sure, but when they alter nothing truly goes out of existence.

    So emptiness os Form – and by definition Form is perceived through contrast with other forms. So emptiness is interdependence, which is polarity.

    That is where the evolution of Impermanence.

    I certainly appreciate the pluralism of the Ancient World and its skepticism regarding the sole ownership of truth from any one view, but this is not at all what I am getting at. This is merely political tolerance and not metaphysics. The Greek metaphysicians, when they turned their mind to the matter, also saw the deep structure of the world must be a principle that unites diversity within a larger unity. Aristotle with his Prine Mover and the neo-Platonists with their flight of the Alone to the Alone. And in fact Judaism was right to reemphasize the element of non dualism and larger unity – the second Isiah responded to the Zotoastrian notion of a fight between good and evil by saying God created both. And Judaism does not have a Devil figure.

    Fanatacism starts with Zoroaster – the total destruction of evil, the total and absolute victory of one principle, of light over darkness – and was continued through Christianity and Islam and Nazism and Communism and Woke ideology and the apocalyptic antisemites of Unz.

    But – that is neither here nor there.

    Whether my metaphysics are Buddhist or not, I am not merely proposing political tolerance, although that would certainly be one outcome of my proposed view. I am proposing an overcoming of the Zoroastrian opposition between good and evil, a deep recognition that everything that seems opposed in life is actually a unity, that life is not about frantically and anxiously avoiding death but that life and death arise together, and therefore life is a dance not a struggle, and a deep appreciation of the necessity of the Other as one pole in a larger unity – not just a weary political tolerance.

  226. Am I the only one totally pissed with the Karabakh ceasefire? I think it’d have been fair if Karabakh received permanent autonomy (including perhaps a limited military) and a permanent corridor to Armenia, and in exchange Azerbaijan was given a corridor to Nakhichevan.

    Instead Azerbaijan is given a permanent corridor to Nakhichevan and Karabakh only receives protection for five years (?), which sounds pretty asymmetrical. Also full Armenian towns like Shusha are given to the Azeris.

    This is serious bad news for humanity, even if you don’t like Armenians. Also, fuck Szijjártó and Orbán.

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  227. #1 especially for price & new condition. I’d wear a baldric/battle belt for knife & ifak, maybe a mag.

    Go Rossiya

    Remember, off SSO or grey-shop a topbackpack also avail.
    2x mags each pouch for 8 total
    12 with the plastic dividers removed

    Can easily use only 1 side for mags and other for GP then Mod 2 below un-necessary.
    Or 3+3 & the back-side AK pouches free.
    BASED

    https://www.sso-mil.ru/
    https://grey-shop.ru/Smersh-MOLLE-AK

    😉

    Can be worn over armor, Vests and PCs (plate carriers) are for mech infantry or CQB.
    Webbing belts far more comfy.

    [MORE]

    Max mods I’d do is:

    1. rigger belt + cobra buckle for rappelling & helos
    2. Move the grenade pouches for GP or quick use mags

    ie. L side GP util back side AK mags, Double velcro flap mag on front?

  228. songbird says:

    Harris, up close, could give the Gorgans a run for their money.

  229. AaronB says:

    The Greek philosopher Heraclitus appears to be a Buddhist/Taoist. Imagine this thinker had been the central figure of Western philosophy rather than the superficial Aristotle?

    Opposition brings concord. Out of discord comes the fairest harmony.
    99· It is by disease that health is pleasant; by evil that good is pleasant; by hunger, satiety; by weariness, rest.
    100. Men would not have known the name of justice if these things had not occurred.
    101. Sea water is at once very pure and very foul: it is drink­ able and healthful for fi shes, but undrinkable and deadly for men.
    106. To God all things are beautiful, good, and right; men, on the other hand, deem some things right and others wrong.
    107. Doctors cut, bur n , and torture the sick, and then demand of them an undeserved fee for such services.
    108. The way up and the way down are one and the same.
    109. In the circle the beginning and the end are common.
    1 1 1. For wool-carders the straight way and the winding way are one and the same.
    1 12. The bones connected by joints are at once a unitary whole and not a unitary whole. To be in agreement is to dif f er;
    the concordant is the discordant. From out of all the many pa r ­ ticulars comes oneness, and out of oneness come all the many particulars.
    1 13. It is one and the same thing to be living or dead, awake or asleep, young or old. The former aspect in each case becomes the latter, and the latter again the for m er, by sudden unexpected reversal.
    1 14. Hesiod, whom so many accept as their wise teacher, did not even understand the nature of day and night; for they are one.
    115. The name of the bow is life, but its work is death. • 1 17. People do not understand how that which is at variance with itself agrees with itself. There is a harmony in the bending back, as in the case of the bow and the lyre.
    18. Listening not to me but to the Logos, it is wise to acknowledge that all things are one.
    121. God is day and night, winter and summer, war and peace, satiety and want. But he undergoes transformations, just as [a neutral base], when it is mixed with a fragrance, is named according to the particular savor [that is introduced].
    1 24. Even sleepers are workers and collaborators in what goes on in the universe.22

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  230. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    And here is some excellent commentary on those quotes –

    In the history and climate of Western thought Heraclitus stands somewhat alone, for a philosophy in which “it is one and the same thing to be living or dead, awake or asleep, young or old” does not seem to offer any directives for action, that is, for making choices. For us, the master philosopher is not Heraclitus but Aristotle, who insists that all action is choice and that the will never moves into action save to choose some good in preference to some evil-even if the choice be mistaken. By and large Western culture is a celebration of the illusion that good may exist without evil, light without darkness, and pleasure without pain, and this is true of both its Christian and secular, technological phases. Here, or here­ after, our ideal is a world in which “there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain; for the former things are passed away.”23 To give credit where credit is due, it has been a grand illusion. Yet for those whose common sense is still based on the logic of Aristotle it is difficcult to appreciate that the foundations of Chinese culture rest upon the polar view of light and darkness. Compare, then, with Heraclitus the words of Lao-tzu:

    When everyone recognizes beauty as beautiful, there is already ugliness;
    When everyone recognizes goodness as good, there is already evil.
    “To be ” and “not to be” arise mutually;
    Difficult and easy are mutually realized;
    Long and short are mutually contrasted;
    High and low are mutually posited; . . .
    Before and after are in mutual sequence.

    A culture based on such premises was not likely to produce a heroic technology. On the other hand, the polar view of good and evil by no means led to mere stultification, to a way of life without directives for action or capacity to realize order and grace. There is no question that, prior to the Industrial Revolution, the Chinese had in several periods of their history created the most commodious and sophisti­cated civilization that we have known anywhere in the world

  231. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor

    I was honestly bracing for the worst, I had seriously doubted Russia was going to do anything. Most of the smaller towns in the Artsakh area had their population flee to Yerevan, from early this month a mass exodus had commenced from Stepanakert itself as the war started going extremely badly.

    Those who left will almost certainly never be allowed to return, Yerevan is still heaving with refugees, the government has lost all confidence, and the country is bankrupt with this and CV19. People like Ano4 are going to be very happy with another mass exodus of Armenians to Russia, a lose-lose situation.

    Aliyev has been gracious in victory as expected, clearly all previous hatred and misunderstandings are past (not).

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