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This has not been a good year for Russian nationalists mortality-wise. The NazBol Eduard Limonov died in March, while the natsdem (liberal nationalist) Konstantin Krylov passed away in May. And now, the OG of Russian Neo-Nazism, “Tesak” (lit. “Hatchet”, real name: Maxim Martsinkevich), a skinhead of Polish-Russian ancestry who can be said to have invented the concept of Neo-Nazi ironic trolling a decade ahead of /pol/ and The Daily Stormer, was found dead in his prison cell on September 16, 2020.

In a way, Tesak’s untimely death at the age of 36 may be viewed as the capstone to Russia’s skinhead subculture, which has been in fast decline since the late 2000s along with “gopnik” culture in general. This is even corroborated by statistics from the SOVA Center, Russia’s equivalent of the SPLC, whose concern for human rights and free speech stops where the rights of ethnic Russian begins. According to them, annual deaths that could be attributed to “racist attacks” have been in the single digits since 2015.

The Yeltsin to early Putin era Far Right was dominated by Soviet boomer “anti-Zionist” conspiracy theorists and pagan 14/88 skinheads. Today, that scene has been largely displaced by a melange of natsdems, White Guardists, Orthodox conservatives and reactionaries, and even a few American-influenced “groyper” larpers (thankfully, the latter mostly confined to Twitter). In his own way, even Tesak seems to have gone with the general flow, having transitioned from beating up hachi in the 2000s to imposing mob justice on drug dealers and pedophiles in the 2010s. Based on his prison letters in the last few years of his life, an acquaintance who has studied Tesak tells me, there is a good chance that Tesak would have moderated into a liberal right-winger in the 2020s.

I am not very familiar with Tesak, so I cannot attach any great confidence to my subjective impressions about his life. Right off the bat, I will say that he was probably not a very nice person. The aforementioned Tesak expert tells me that his “Destrukt” audiobook contains many insane anecdotes from his life, including one time in which he butchered a cat and served to his friends, pretending it was rabbit. On another occasion, Tesak says he tried to lure an anti-fascist activist to a homosexual gangster acquaintance, who was supposed to rape him and film it on camera; it failed on account of the anti-fascist failing to turn up. On the other hand, in his follow-up book “Restrukt“, Tesak claims that the cat story was a fake – which might be backtracking, but is nonetheless not entirely implausible, given his shtick as an Uber-Nazi shock jock. I suppose we will never know where “performance” ends and “reality” begins in the story of Tesak’s life.

Tesak was probably a traumatized man; I only recently learned that his one-time girlfriend was killed in one of the 1999 apartment blasts that reopened the Chechen War, which must have played some role into his adopting white supremacist beliefs. While everybody left of G.W. Bush is a Nazi these days, Tesak was the real deal. This is no exaggeration or smear job. He openly told Russian and foreign journalists of his violent “activism” and his wish, as an Aryan, to “kill all niggers, Chinese, Jews, and hachi from the Caucasus.” In one of his most famous “performances”, he and his comrades “executed” a Tajik drug dealer. The ensuing investigation found that the shocking video was thankfully a fake, but he did end up getting his second conviction and imprisonment from it on the basis of Article 282, Russia’s “hate speech” law.

As with many in the White Nationalist camp, national loyalties often conflict with internationalist “white” racial solidarity. In 2013, Tesak was praising Ukraine for its “many freedoms” and there being no “Untermenschen” on the streets, as in Russia. (The rejoinder to that is that the absence of swarthy Gastarbeiters often doesn’t mean you’re so much “based” as just poor – what Tajik will go to Kiev over Moscow, LOL). That said, while he supported Ukrainian independence, he also said a successful Euromaidan would end in disaster for Ukraine, and unlike the majority of his 14/88 colleagues, such as Belov (Potkin) and Demushkin, he ultimately sided with the Donbass after the outbreak of war. He could have probably mustered a batallion out of his followers had the Kremlin humored him.

An alliance of lower-tier Kremlin propaganda, leftist “Western Russophiles”, and “based” Western racialist nationalists portray Alexey Navalny as a nationalist based on a few racially charged comments he made a decade ago. It is therefore highly ironic that he was the architect of Tesak’s first prison sentence. In 2007, Tesak barged into a club hosting a debate between the a couple of journalists, the pro-Putin Maxim Kononenko and the pro-Western Yulia Latynina. The moderator, who happened to be Navalny, agreed to give him a word. Tesak used the opportunity to ask them if they agreed that Russia would be better off if it killed all democrats, and then started to throw up his hands and “Sieg Heil” with his followers. Navalny, along with fellow liberal Ilya Yashin and Masha Gaidar (the daughter of the late Egor Gaidar, the principal ideologist of Russia’s 1990s economic reforms; incidentally, she has since given up her Russian citizenship and emigrated to Ukraine), wrote a complaint to the Prosecutor-General asking to raise a case against Tesak. As a result, he was imprisoned under Article 282 for three years. Once you’re convicted once under Article 282, it becomes increasingly likely you will be imprisoned under it time and time again, even if you subsequently “moderate” your message (see my Rule 5). So it’s not too much of an exaggeration to say that none other than Navalny was a key architect in Russia’s most prominent Neo-Nazi spending most of the rest of his life in prison.

In 2013, a third case was raised against Tesak under Article 282. His choice of Cuba as a getaway destination wasn’t ideal, and he was deported back to Russia. In 2017, there was a fourth case under Article 282 as well as hooliganism. However, the subsequent decriminalization of Article 282 in late 2018 meant he was eligible for early release as early as May 2021. But then the prosecutors got other ideas.

While I don’t usually take such claims seriously, there are significant indications that at “best”, Tesak was driven into suicide, if not outright murdered. Back in 2014, he had written that should he ever “open his veins”, it would not be from suicide. His lawyer Alexey Mikhalchik reports that he was subjected to torture for several months beforehand, allegedly from prosecutors who wanted him to take the rap for some murders in the 2000s that he claimed he didn’t commit. His parents are demanding a murder investigation. His lawyer from a previous case, the Russian-Chinese hapa nationalist Matthew Tszen, has also expressed doubts on Facebook.

In death as in life, we will probably never know where performance ended and reality began.

 

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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. incidentally, she has since given up her Russian citizenship and emigrated to Ukraine)

    His choice of Cuba as a getaway destination wasn’t ideal, and he was deported back to Russia.

    ??? What goes through people’s minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.

    If you want an escape path, learn from Snowden. I revived my Russian citizenship recently for that reason. (Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship. But if you were a Russian national already, it doesn’t count as new application, simply paperwork renewal. So what ends up happening is US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real, and Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real).

    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the ‘nationalist’ moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the ‘Zis’. Or ‘Euzis’ (European socialists).

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    @mal


    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the ‘nationalist’ moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the ‘Zis’. Or ‘Euzis’ (European socialists).
     
    Why? Both the advocates and detractors of white (and black) nationalism understand what is meant by this term, even if it is technically "pan-nationalism" rather than "nationalism".

    And while white nationalism and neo-Nazism have political overlap they are not the same and have different ideological end-implications, so it is useful to have a distinct term for it.

    Replies: @mal

    , @JL
    @mal


    Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship.
     
    This is no longer the case: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/50-million-new-state-formers/

    US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real
     
    There's no US law governing multiple citizenships, so GosDep and any other government agency shouldn't treat your Russian citizenship as anything at all, real or fake. Furthermore, since there is no passport control upon departure from the US, there's no need for anyone to check, ever.

    Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real
     
    This is also incorrect, it is required by Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits, failure to do so is an administrative infraction and subject to a fine and/or 14-day jail sentence.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @A. Hipster
    @mal


    ??? What goes through people’s minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.
     
    re: Ecuador .... president Rafael Correa was a righteous man, but his successor, Lenin [sic!] Voltaire Moreno Garcés became a turncoat traitor, bought and paid US stooge ... it was unexpected

    Replies: @mal

  3. @mal

    incidentally, she has since given up her Russian citizenship and emigrated to Ukraine)
     

    His choice of Cuba as a getaway destination wasn’t ideal, and he was deported back to Russia.
     
    ??? What goes through people's minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.

    If you want an escape path, learn from Snowden. I revived my Russian citizenship recently for that reason. (Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship. But if you were a Russian national already, it doesn’t count as new application, simply paperwork renewal. So what ends up happening is US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real, and Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real).

    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the 'nationalist' moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the 'Zis'. Or 'Euzis' (European socialists).

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @JL, @A. Hipster

    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the ‘nationalist’ moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the ‘Zis’. Or ‘Euzis’ (European socialists).

    Why? Both the advocates and detractors of white (and black) nationalism understand what is meant by this term, even if it is technically “pan-nationalism” rather than “nationalism”.

    And while white nationalism and neo-Nazism have political overlap they are not the same and have different ideological end-implications, so it is useful to have a distinct term for it.

    • Replies: @mal
    @Hyperborean

    Well aside from the fact that any Russian who claims to be a Nazi is deranged (I was born in Leningrad, we lost almost a million people due to those silly ideologues during the siege), I think it would be more honest and straightforward.

    Also better marketing. Pan-Europeanism, similar to pan-Slavism or pan-Arabism doesn't the Nazi baggage.

    And if you are a real Nazi seeking to plunge the world into an eternal race war, well, i would suggest forgetting about marketing the ideology and focusing on breeding more. Its not looking good for those guys at this point.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Hyperborean

  4. @Hyperborean
    @mal


    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the ‘nationalist’ moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the ‘Zis’. Or ‘Euzis’ (European socialists).
     
    Why? Both the advocates and detractors of white (and black) nationalism understand what is meant by this term, even if it is technically "pan-nationalism" rather than "nationalism".

    And while white nationalism and neo-Nazism have political overlap they are not the same and have different ideological end-implications, so it is useful to have a distinct term for it.

    Replies: @mal

    Well aside from the fact that any Russian who claims to be a Nazi is deranged (I was born in Leningrad, we lost almost a million people due to those silly ideologues during the siege), I think it would be more honest and straightforward.

    Also better marketing. Pan-Europeanism, similar to pan-Slavism or pan-Arabism doesn’t the Nazi baggage.

    And if you are a real Nazi seeking to plunge the world into an eternal race war, well, i would suggest forgetting about marketing the ideology and focusing on breeding more. Its not looking good for those guys at this point.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal

    Nazism is bad, but that is a stupid argument against it, I addressed it here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-nazi-myths/


    Russians/(Poles, Slavs, etc.) have to be are stupid/insane/historically illiterate to be Nazis, don’t they realize the Nazis killed 27 million of them?

    I never really understood how this is even an argument.

    Presumably, to the extent they harbor any genocidal fantasies, Russian (Polish, etc.) Neo-Nazis would much sooner want to kill 27 million foreigners, not 27 million of their own. (They aren’t Communists, after all, whose democidal ambitions are primarily aimed at their own people).

    The Holocaust regardless, the Jews constructed the most unapologetically ethnonationalist state in the First World; that very event is not infrequently cited as one of the reasons that the Jews need a Jewish state.

    So clearly the mere fact of having suffered from German Nazis constitutes no logical impediment to adopting elements of Nazi policy for what they consider to be in service of their own people. Nazism is national socialism, after all; it’s not the NSDAP (which specifies German workers) that they subscribe to.
     

    Replies: @mal

    , @Hyperborean
    @mal


    Well aside from the fact that any Russian who claims to be a Nazi is deranged (I was born in Leningrad, we lost almost a million people due to those silly ideologues during the siege), I think it would be more honest and straightforward.

    Also better marketing. Pan-Europeanism, similar to pan-Slavism or pan-Arabism doesn’t the Nazi baggage.
     
    To use a left-wing analogy, it is like the distinction between a Social Democrat/Parliamentary Socialist and a Tankie/Western Maoist.

    They have different crowds.
  5. Suicide? More like Epsteining. I guess it was a solitary cell, guards were sleeping, and all of the cameras malfunctioned too?

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Sh1pman

    He was kept alone in a prison cell used for four prisoners under normal circumstances.

    He was strangulated in his sleep and his veins were cut to bleed him dry.

    The final letters he left are not his style at all.

    Actually no one believes that he killed himself.

  6. @mal
    @Hyperborean

    Well aside from the fact that any Russian who claims to be a Nazi is deranged (I was born in Leningrad, we lost almost a million people due to those silly ideologues during the siege), I think it would be more honest and straightforward.

    Also better marketing. Pan-Europeanism, similar to pan-Slavism or pan-Arabism doesn't the Nazi baggage.

    And if you are a real Nazi seeking to plunge the world into an eternal race war, well, i would suggest forgetting about marketing the ideology and focusing on breeding more. Its not looking good for those guys at this point.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Hyperborean

    Nazism is bad, but that is a stupid argument against it, I addressed it here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-nazi-myths/

    Russians/(Poles, Slavs, etc.) have to be are stupid/insane/historically illiterate to be Nazis, don’t they realize the Nazis killed 27 million of them?

    I never really understood how this is even an argument.

    Presumably, to the extent they harbor any genocidal fantasies, Russian (Polish, etc.) Neo-Nazis would much sooner want to kill 27 million foreigners, not 27 million of their own. (They aren’t Communists, after all, whose democidal ambitions are primarily aimed at their own people).

    The Holocaust regardless, the Jews constructed the most unapologetically ethnonationalist state in the First World; that very event is not infrequently cited as one of the reasons that the Jews need a Jewish state.

    So clearly the mere fact of having suffered from German Nazis constitutes no logical impediment to adopting elements of Nazi policy for what they consider to be in service of their own people. Nazism is national socialism, after all; it’s not the NSDAP (which specifies German workers) that they subscribe to.

    • Replies: @mal
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Presumably, to the extent they harbor any genocidal fantasies, Russian (Polish, etc.) Neo-Nazis would much sooner want to kill 27 million foreigners, not 27 million of their own.
     
    Right, and how exactly would they accomplish that? Even inside Russia ethnic minorities are what, 17% of the population? It is delusional to think that expelling or killing 17% of the population to establish an ethnically pure state won't have adverse effects on Russian economy and civic institutions.

    I can understand nationalism, even 20 years ago it was normal to say "I'm proud to be an American". Today.. err.. it can have bad consequences depending on where you are in the US, and the elites are supportive of this process. Hence my Russian citizenship revival backup plan, until our overlords figure out what they want. I think we can all agree that American Empire is undergoing some interesting times.

    Anyway, nationalism is not the same as Nazism. If you wanna say Русские Вперёд! that doesn't make you a Nazi.

    As for the Jews, yeah, we have a lot to learn from them, but even they have 20% Arab citizens that they don't genocide or expel. That said, they do operate in their own interests unapologetically, and manage to maintain a healthy balance between fertility rates and technological progress. Both Russia and US could adopt some of their ideas for social organization.

    Replies: @another anon

  7. While I don’t usually take such claims seriously, there are significant indications that at “best”, Tesak was driven into suicide, if not outright murdered.

    I was wondering if you were going to write about him Anatoly.

    I wrote about his death on the last open thread. I am also inclined to believe he was murdered. He was not the type of person to kill himself even under duress.

    He always insisted that he would not ever commit suicide or die of natural causes in prison. He clearly stated that he might get killed by the pedophile lobby and that his last conviction and arrest were due to someone important in the higher levels of Russian power being not happy about his anti-pedodophile and anti-Gay violent activism. He might also have been killed by the Russian drug dealers, he and his friends were raiding them and beating them up in Moscow.

    In his usual unrefined manner he said: “If someone comes to “help” get me suicided in prison, I officially say to these “helpers”: I pee on you people!”

    Tesak was a thug, but he was also courageous, outspoken and rather smart despite being a brute. I remember the beginning of the Moscow Skinhead movement around 1995, with the death of Tesak we see the end of that era.

    I kinda feel sad about him dying even though he really hurt a lot of people some of them innocent.

    Below I post a link to a video about Tesak having a discussion with Hovansky, a young liberal activist and stand-upcomic from Moscow. For those unfamiliar with Maxim Martzinkevitch and curious about the person Tesak was, have a look, but I prefer to warn everyone that he was quite graphic and absolutely unrestrained in his judgements about other people and life in general.

    Interestingly enough, Yury Hovansky, the liberal Tesak debated with, expressed sadness for Maxim’s death and has also expressed that he did not believe that Tesak committed suicide (video of Hovansky below)

    Мир праху.

    [MORE]

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Thanks: mal
  8. @Sh1pman
    Suicide? More like Epsteining. I guess it was a solitary cell, guards were sleeping, and all of the cameras malfunctioned too?

    Replies: @Ano4

    He was kept alone in a prison cell used for four prisoners under normal circumstances.

    He was strangulated in his sleep and his veins were cut to bleed him dry.

    The final letters he left are not his style at all.

    Actually no one believes that he killed himself.

  9. I think I would have liked his passion even if he probably wanted to kill me. RIP Tesak.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @Daniel Chieh


    He openly told Russian and foreign journalists of his violent “activism” and his wish, as an Aryan, to “kill all niggers, Chinese, Jews, and hachi from the Caucasus.”
     

    His lawyer from a previous case, the Russian-Chinese hapa nationalist Matthew Tszen
     
    De mortuis nil nisi bonum, at least he was pragmatic.
  10. @Anatoly Karlin
    @mal

    Nazism is bad, but that is a stupid argument against it, I addressed it here: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russia-nazi-myths/


    Russians/(Poles, Slavs, etc.) have to be are stupid/insane/historically illiterate to be Nazis, don’t they realize the Nazis killed 27 million of them?

    I never really understood how this is even an argument.

    Presumably, to the extent they harbor any genocidal fantasies, Russian (Polish, etc.) Neo-Nazis would much sooner want to kill 27 million foreigners, not 27 million of their own. (They aren’t Communists, after all, whose democidal ambitions are primarily aimed at their own people).

    The Holocaust regardless, the Jews constructed the most unapologetically ethnonationalist state in the First World; that very event is not infrequently cited as one of the reasons that the Jews need a Jewish state.

    So clearly the mere fact of having suffered from German Nazis constitutes no logical impediment to adopting elements of Nazi policy for what they consider to be in service of their own people. Nazism is national socialism, after all; it’s not the NSDAP (which specifies German workers) that they subscribe to.
     

    Replies: @mal

    Presumably, to the extent they harbor any genocidal fantasies, Russian (Polish, etc.) Neo-Nazis would much sooner want to kill 27 million foreigners, not 27 million of their own.

    Right, and how exactly would they accomplish that? Even inside Russia ethnic minorities are what, 17% of the population? It is delusional to think that expelling or killing 17% of the population to establish an ethnically pure state won’t have adverse effects on Russian economy and civic institutions.

    I can understand nationalism, even 20 years ago it was normal to say “I’m proud to be an American”. Today.. err.. it can have bad consequences depending on where you are in the US, and the elites are supportive of this process. Hence my Russian citizenship revival backup plan, until our overlords figure out what they want. I think we can all agree that American Empire is undergoing some interesting times.

    Anyway, nationalism is not the same as Nazism. If you wanna say Русские Вперёд! that doesn’t make you a Nazi.

    As for the Jews, yeah, we have a lot to learn from them, but even they have 20% Arab citizens that they don’t genocide or expel. That said, they do operate in their own interests unapologetically, and manage to maintain a healthy balance between fertility rates and technological progress. Both Russia and US could adopt some of their ideas for social organization.

    • Replies: @another anon
    @mal


    Right, and how exactly would they accomplish that? Even inside Russia ethnic minorities are what, 17% of the population? It is delusional to think that expelling or killing 17% of the population to establish an ethnically pure state won’t have adverse effects on Russian economy and civic institutions.
     
    Exactly. If Russian Nazism have nothing in common with Hitler's Nazism, as AK says, why use Hitler's name and symbolism at all? What can you gain (except shocking the normies and life in prison)?

    There were many based and red pilled strong Russian leaders who, unlike the failed painter, were succesful winners. If you are Russian, why not claim Ivan the Awesome or Peter the Great, and leave the syphilitic painter in the dustbin of history, where he belongs?

    As for the Jews, yeah, we have a lot to learn from them
     
    Yes, Jews are succesful, while Hitler was, in every measure, as complete and total failure as one could be.
    If there is anything to learn from him, it is what do not do.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  11. Eagerly awaiting a statement from the European Parliament demanding that this be investigated immediately or they will kill Nordstream 2 a second time.

    • LOL: mal, Anatoly Karlin, Denis
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @El Dato


    they will kill Nordstream 2 a second time
     
    You are underestimating them. They would kill Nordstream 2 for an umpteenth time.
  12. @Daniel Chieh
    I think I would have liked his passion even if he probably wanted to kill me. RIP Tesak.

    Replies: @Blinky Bill

    He openly told Russian and foreign journalists of his violent “activism” and his wish, as an Aryan, to “kill all niggers, Chinese, Jews, and hachi from the Caucasus.”

    His lawyer from a previous case, the Russian-Chinese hapa nationalist Matthew Tszen

    De mortuis nil nisi bonum, at least he was pragmatic.

  13. AK in July

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-libs-owned/

    Floyd was a criminal degenerate whose life DID NOT matter.

    AK in September

    Waaah! Great Russian hero died! Waaah!

    LOL.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @another anon


    Waaah! Great Russian hero died! Waaah!
     
    You should know the difference between a spy and an intelligence officer: their intelligence officer is a spy, our spy is an intelligence officer. Same here.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    @another anon

    You must have missed the part where he rather aggressively prosecuted degenerates and freaks.

    , @Anatoly Karlin
    @another anon

    What a weird nitpick. First, Floyd was just some loser, Tesak was Russia's most prominent Neo-Nazi activist. They are not comparable in scale. Second, Floyd was going to die from his OD anyway, whereas there's some evidence (see my links and Ano4's comments) that Tesak's "suicide" wasn't entirely voluntary.


    If Russian Nazism have nothing in common with Hitler’s Nazism, as AK says, why use Hitler’s name and symbolism at all? What can you gain (except shocking the normies and life in prison)?
     
    Where did I suggest doing any of that? I classify myself as a White Guardist anyway, not a 14/88'er.

    ***

    Hitler took big risks that would have either led to complete German hegemony from the Atlantic to the Urals (or Vladivostok - there was no real reason to stop there), or to its defeat and territorial dismemberment. For every world in which he is dismissed as a syphilitic painter there is a world where he is a world-renowned conqueror on the level of Genghis Khan. Moreover, his policies did demographically wreck Russia, more so even than Germany, even if Germany lost out territory wise. But in the industrial era, population is more important than territory, and demographically Germany improved its status relative to Russia, so it's not even clear who ultimately "won" or "lost" between the two. In the broader 20th century picture, Germany could certainly be said to have beaten Russia - not even Wilhelmine Germany intended to sever Belorussia from Russia.
  14. @mal
    @Anatoly Karlin


    Presumably, to the extent they harbor any genocidal fantasies, Russian (Polish, etc.) Neo-Nazis would much sooner want to kill 27 million foreigners, not 27 million of their own.
     
    Right, and how exactly would they accomplish that? Even inside Russia ethnic minorities are what, 17% of the population? It is delusional to think that expelling or killing 17% of the population to establish an ethnically pure state won't have adverse effects on Russian economy and civic institutions.

    I can understand nationalism, even 20 years ago it was normal to say "I'm proud to be an American". Today.. err.. it can have bad consequences depending on where you are in the US, and the elites are supportive of this process. Hence my Russian citizenship revival backup plan, until our overlords figure out what they want. I think we can all agree that American Empire is undergoing some interesting times.

    Anyway, nationalism is not the same as Nazism. If you wanna say Русские Вперёд! that doesn't make you a Nazi.

    As for the Jews, yeah, we have a lot to learn from them, but even they have 20% Arab citizens that they don't genocide or expel. That said, they do operate in their own interests unapologetically, and manage to maintain a healthy balance between fertility rates and technological progress. Both Russia and US could adopt some of their ideas for social organization.

    Replies: @another anon

    Right, and how exactly would they accomplish that? Even inside Russia ethnic minorities are what, 17% of the population? It is delusional to think that expelling or killing 17% of the population to establish an ethnically pure state won’t have adverse effects on Russian economy and civic institutions.

    Exactly. If Russian Nazism have nothing in common with Hitler’s Nazism, as AK says, why use Hitler’s name and symbolism at all? What can you gain (except shocking the normies and life in prison)?

    There were many based and red pilled strong Russian leaders who, unlike the failed painter, were succesful winners. If you are Russian, why not claim Ivan the Awesome or Peter the Great, and leave the syphilitic painter in the dustbin of history, where he belongs?

    As for the Jews, yeah, we have a lot to learn from them

    Yes, Jews are succesful, while Hitler was, in every measure, as complete and total failure as one could be.
    If there is anything to learn from him, it is what do not do.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @another anon

    I'm not going to cite the literally hundreds of sources that have deconstructed the bullshit narratives of the victors, which includes the USSR.
    WWII started because of the success of National Socialism and Hitler. His "economic miracle" demonstrated that the international banking cartel was completely unnecessary to the well-being of a nation. That couldn't be allowed to continue. Name one other time in the history of France or the UK and its constituent countries, when it has allowed another country to decide whether it was going to war. There was going to be a war, whether the NSDAP wanted one or not.
    As was posted on this site, John Wear's book thoroughly documented the Soviet build up to invade Germany. There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger. They had survived a 1919 communist coup, and one of its leaders, Rosa Luxemburg, criticized the Soviets. There are no "good guys" in any war. Hitler is a "failure" in the same way the USSR was, and China is a "failure". Their successes in areas of our failures cannot be allowed to be discussed. It interferes with the narrative of our owners.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @another anon

  15. @El Dato
    Eagerly awaiting a statement from the European Parliament demanding that this be investigated immediately or they will kill Nordstream 2 a second time.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    they will kill Nordstream 2 a second time

    You are underestimating them. They would kill Nordstream 2 for an umpteenth time.

  16. @another anon
    AK in July

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-libs-owned/

    Floyd was a criminal degenerate whose life DID NOT matter.
     
    AK in September

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41EI5EpxSBL._AC_.jpg

    Waaah! Great Russian hero died! Waaah!

    LOL.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    Waaah! Great Russian hero died! Waaah!

    You should know the difference between a spy and an intelligence officer: their intelligence officer is a spy, our spy is an intelligence officer. Same here.

  17. @another anon
    AK in July

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-libs-owned/

    Floyd was a criminal degenerate whose life DID NOT matter.
     
    AK in September

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41EI5EpxSBL._AC_.jpg

    Waaah! Great Russian hero died! Waaah!

    LOL.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    You must have missed the part where he rather aggressively prosecuted degenerates and freaks.

  18. Tesak sounds like a damaged psychotic, the Hollywood caricature of a Nazi, perhaps, but not anyone resembling the average NSDAP member of Hitler’s Germany or even today’s revisionists. And Russia is probably the least fertile ground on Earth for pro-Nazi memes for obvious reasons.

    There is always an element in any marginalized subculture that consists of mentally-ill, anti-social and otherwise broken people if only because normie society has no place for them and marginalized groups have less power to patrol their ranks and push back against bad operators who associate themselves with them. The more such movements have a “strong horse” image, the more types like Tesak will gravitate toward them.

    Non-establishment political movements in countries where political dissidence can get you jailed – which of course includes the United States and NATO nations (ask Julian Assange) – also face the dilemma that alienating these ostensibly sympathetic if damaged & criminal elements may alienate Our Guys from the only element inside our racially-mobbed-up prisons which might be inclined to defend them.

    There’s even a difference between a guy like Varg and a guy who apparently tortures animals and engages in weird Epstein-tier shenanigans involving rapey homosexual sadists, for all that Varg’s conduct has been strongly net-negative for the causes he associates himself with.

    Every movement has to define itself in some ways by its internal policing but in the presently gaslit media environment, dissidents should be careful not to fall into the tempting trap of blame-and-shame guilt by loose association.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Exile

    There were lots of Skinheads in 1995 - 2010 Moscow. And they were ultraviolent even by Skinhead and football Hooligan standards. Between the disgruntled violent ethnic Russian youths and the Caucasus diaspora young thugs, Moscow was a very dangerous place to live in these days. People got killed quite often. Add to this the Russian antifa and you get the picture of ethnic and political motivated violence there in early 2000s.

    The majority of Moscow Skins were into it not for ideology, but just because they needed to vent their hatred of the post-Perestroika society and its many ills. Of course there were exceptions (BORN guys come to mind).

    War in Eastern Ukraine was actually good to drain the remnants of this violent subculture in Russia, some of these people went to fight alongside the Ukrainian ultranationalists (Azov battalion etc) others went to fight among the Donbass pro-Russian militias. A lot of them got killed and maimed on both sides of the conflict. Others just grew out of it all and mellowed down. The whole ultranationalist thing in Russia is over. In general, post-Perestroika violence is largely a thing of the past.

    Replies: @Exile, @Dmitry

  19. @Exile
    Tesak sounds like a damaged psychotic, the Hollywood caricature of a Nazi, perhaps, but not anyone resembling the average NSDAP member of Hitler's Germany or even today's revisionists. And Russia is probably the least fertile ground on Earth for pro-Nazi memes for obvious reasons.

    There is always an element in any marginalized subculture that consists of mentally-ill, anti-social and otherwise broken people if only because normie society has no place for them and marginalized groups have less power to patrol their ranks and push back against bad operators who associate themselves with them. The more such movements have a "strong horse" image, the more types like Tesak will gravitate toward them.

    Non-establishment political movements in countries where political dissidence can get you jailed - which of course includes the United States and NATO nations (ask Julian Assange) - also face the dilemma that alienating these ostensibly sympathetic if damaged & criminal elements may alienate Our Guys from the only element inside our racially-mobbed-up prisons which might be inclined to defend them.

    There's even a difference between a guy like Varg and a guy who apparently tortures animals and engages in weird Epstein-tier shenanigans involving rapey homosexual sadists, for all that Varg's conduct has been strongly net-negative for the causes he associates himself with.

    Every movement has to define itself in some ways by its internal policing but in the presently gaslit media environment, dissidents should be careful not to fall into the tempting trap of blame-and-shame guilt by loose association.

    Replies: @Ano4

    There were lots of Skinheads in 1995 – 2010 Moscow. And they were ultraviolent even by Skinhead and football Hooligan standards. Between the disgruntled violent ethnic Russian youths and the Caucasus diaspora young thugs, Moscow was a very dangerous place to live in these days. People got killed quite often. Add to this the Russian antifa and you get the picture of ethnic and political motivated violence there in early 2000s.

    The majority of Moscow Skins were into it not for ideology, but just because they needed to vent their hatred of the post-Perestroika society and its many ills. Of course there were exceptions (BORN guys come to mind).

    War in Eastern Ukraine was actually good to drain the remnants of this violent subculture in Russia, some of these people went to fight alongside the Ukrainian ultranationalists (Azov battalion etc) others went to fight among the Donbass pro-Russian militias. A lot of them got killed and maimed on both sides of the conflict. Others just grew out of it all and mellowed down. The whole ultranationalist thing in Russia is over. In general, post-Perestroika violence is largely a thing of the past.

    • Replies: @Exile
    @Ano4

    All the more reason why I'd like to draw a line between the Russian skins and the Western dissident Right today.

    I'm a staunch defender of the "wignats" of White Nationalism 2.0 and recognize that hard Right vanguardists are not going to have the manners of the Counter-Currents egghead set.

    But there is a level of nihilism and frankly degenerate behavior among some of these groups - Russia's Yelstin-era skins among them - that is vastly net-negative, savage and atavistic.

    I've said repeatedly here and elsewhere that the guys in the Western hard-White movements who think that Russia is fertile ground for White Nationalism don't show much knowledge of what drives Russian nationalism.

    Russians do not feel they are under attack for being White in Russia. If anything, they mock us for suffering such abuse in the West.

    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.

    I want Western WN's to see Russia as a legitimate participant in a multi-polar future and a somewhat distant but sympathetic cultural ally on a number of issues of common concern. But that is the best we are going to achieve.

    Russians would do well to support Western White Nationalism as the only movement here truly committed to restraining the GloboShlomo economic and war machines and Western White Nationalists would do well to let Russian Nationalism follow its own particular course without trying to hammer it into membership in a Nazi Internationale.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    , @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    Football hooligan subculture are a lot more common than skinheads in Russia. I don't know any, but my superficial impression that they are more interested in spending money on expensive British and Italian clothes (Fred Perry, Stone Island, Burberry, Napapijri), than political ideology. They are quite perfect model of consumers, supporting with a subculture of violence between themselves, fashion brand loyalties to expensive products that people of their income would not normally buy.

    Replies: @Ano4

  20. @mal

    incidentally, she has since given up her Russian citizenship and emigrated to Ukraine)
     

    His choice of Cuba as a getaway destination wasn’t ideal, and he was deported back to Russia.
     
    ??? What goes through people's minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.

    If you want an escape path, learn from Snowden. I revived my Russian citizenship recently for that reason. (Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship. But if you were a Russian national already, it doesn’t count as new application, simply paperwork renewal. So what ends up happening is US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real, and Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real).

    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the 'nationalist' moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the 'Zis'. Or 'Euzis' (European socialists).

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @JL, @A. Hipster

    Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship.

    This is no longer the case: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/50-million-new-state-formers/

    US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real

    There’s no US law governing multiple citizenships, so GosDep and any other government agency shouldn’t treat your Russian citizenship as anything at all, real or fake. Furthermore, since there is no passport control upon departure from the US, there’s no need for anyone to check, ever.

    Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real

    This is also incorrect, it is required by Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits, failure to do so is an administrative infraction and subject to a fine and/or 14-day jail sentence.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @JL


    there is no passport control upon departure from the US,
     
    False. Airlines check that you either have a visa of the country you are flying to, or a passport of that country. They don’t want to fly you back for free.

    Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits
     
    Maybe. But it is Russian tradition to ignore the law. It was so in tsarist times, in the USSR, and now in the RF. When you fly from Moscow to the States, they want to see both your passports, but never ask whether you are registered as a holder of other country’s passport.

    Replies: @JL, @Jazman

  21. @mal
    @Hyperborean

    Well aside from the fact that any Russian who claims to be a Nazi is deranged (I was born in Leningrad, we lost almost a million people due to those silly ideologues during the siege), I think it would be more honest and straightforward.

    Also better marketing. Pan-Europeanism, similar to pan-Slavism or pan-Arabism doesn't the Nazi baggage.

    And if you are a real Nazi seeking to plunge the world into an eternal race war, well, i would suggest forgetting about marketing the ideology and focusing on breeding more. Its not looking good for those guys at this point.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Hyperborean

    Well aside from the fact that any Russian who claims to be a Nazi is deranged (I was born in Leningrad, we lost almost a million people due to those silly ideologues during the siege), I think it would be more honest and straightforward.

    Also better marketing. Pan-Europeanism, similar to pan-Slavism or pan-Arabism doesn’t the Nazi baggage.

    To use a left-wing analogy, it is like the distinction between a Social Democrat/Parliamentary Socialist and a Tankie/Western Maoist.

    They have different crowds.

  22. @another anon
    AK in July

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-libs-owned/

    Floyd was a criminal degenerate whose life DID NOT matter.
     
    AK in September

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41EI5EpxSBL._AC_.jpg

    Waaah! Great Russian hero died! Waaah!

    LOL.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @Daniel Chieh, @Anatoly Karlin

    What a weird nitpick. First, Floyd was just some loser, Tesak was Russia’s most prominent Neo-Nazi activist. They are not comparable in scale. Second, Floyd was going to die from his OD anyway, whereas there’s some evidence (see my links and Ano4’s comments) that Tesak’s “suicide” wasn’t entirely voluntary.

    If Russian Nazism have nothing in common with Hitler’s Nazism, as AK says, why use Hitler’s name and symbolism at all? What can you gain (except shocking the normies and life in prison)?

    Where did I suggest doing any of that? I classify myself as a White Guardist anyway, not a 14/88’er.

    ***

    Hitler took big risks that would have either led to complete German hegemony from the Atlantic to the Urals (or Vladivostok – there was no real reason to stop there), or to its defeat and territorial dismemberment. For every world in which he is dismissed as a syphilitic painter there is a world where he is a world-renowned conqueror on the level of Genghis Khan. Moreover, his policies did demographically wreck Russia, more so even than Germany, even if Germany lost out territory wise. But in the industrial era, population is more important than territory, and demographically Germany improved its status relative to Russia, so it’s not even clear who ultimately “won” or “lost” between the two. In the broader 20th century picture, Germany could certainly be said to have beaten Russia – not even Wilhelmine Germany intended to sever Belorussia from Russia.

  23. I confess I really enjoyed Tesak’s video ‘Safaris wherein he and his associates made on-line dates with homosexuals seeking liasons with underage youths and his attacks on minority drug dealers. The homosexual target would be degraded and humiliated but not seriously harmed. He had the good sense to not deface public property with spray painted graffiti but the targets of his attention were not so lucky often being given a new haircut and fresh coat of paint on their face and clothes. I gather I was not alone as Tesak became one of the first YouTube ‘content providers’ to be be cancelled as his videos went ‘viral’.

    Tesak was a bully but the sorry reality is he got much more prison time for his activities than the homosexual predators he exposed.

  24. But in the industrial era, population is more important than territory, and demographically Germany improved its status relative to Russia, so it’s not even clear who ultimately “won” or “lost” between the two. In the broader 20th century picture, Germany could certainly be said to have beaten Russia – not even Wilhelmine Germany intended to sever Belorussia from Russia.

    If Germany would have been a truly independent country (which it is not due to Atlanticist and NATO constraints), its influence on Russian economics and politics would be immense. Much more so than Russian influence on German politics.

    But of course this has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler and everything to a ex-KGB major who spent years working in Dresden only to be hired by a charismatic Leningrad mayor to help him attracting Western (mostly German) investments. The mayor then conveniently dies while under suspicion of embezzling (mostly German) financial help to his city and the gifted ex-KHB major starts his ascent to the heights of Kremlin politics with the help of new made acquaintances connected to British and Israeli interests.

    [MORE]

    This might be a fine scenario for a double-agents spy thriller…

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Ano4

    My comment above was a reply to comment # 22 by AK.

  25. @Ano4
    @Exile

    There were lots of Skinheads in 1995 - 2010 Moscow. And they were ultraviolent even by Skinhead and football Hooligan standards. Between the disgruntled violent ethnic Russian youths and the Caucasus diaspora young thugs, Moscow was a very dangerous place to live in these days. People got killed quite often. Add to this the Russian antifa and you get the picture of ethnic and political motivated violence there in early 2000s.

    The majority of Moscow Skins were into it not for ideology, but just because they needed to vent their hatred of the post-Perestroika society and its many ills. Of course there were exceptions (BORN guys come to mind).

    War in Eastern Ukraine was actually good to drain the remnants of this violent subculture in Russia, some of these people went to fight alongside the Ukrainian ultranationalists (Azov battalion etc) others went to fight among the Donbass pro-Russian militias. A lot of them got killed and maimed on both sides of the conflict. Others just grew out of it all and mellowed down. The whole ultranationalist thing in Russia is over. In general, post-Perestroika violence is largely a thing of the past.

    Replies: @Exile, @Dmitry

    All the more reason why I’d like to draw a line between the Russian skins and the Western dissident Right today.

    I’m a staunch defender of the “wignats” of White Nationalism 2.0 and recognize that hard Right vanguardists are not going to have the manners of the Counter-Currents egghead set.

    But there is a level of nihilism and frankly degenerate behavior among some of these groups – Russia’s Yelstin-era skins among them – that is vastly net-negative, savage and atavistic.

    I’ve said repeatedly here and elsewhere that the guys in the Western hard-White movements who think that Russia is fertile ground for White Nationalism don’t show much knowledge of what drives Russian nationalism.

    Russians do not feel they are under attack for being White in Russia. If anything, they mock us for suffering such abuse in the West.

    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.

    I want Western WN’s to see Russia as a legitimate participant in a multi-polar future and a somewhat distant but sympathetic cultural ally on a number of issues of common concern. But that is the best we are going to achieve.

    Russians would do well to support Western White Nationalism as the only movement here truly committed to restraining the GloboShlomo economic and war machines and Western White Nationalists would do well to let Russian Nationalism follow its own particular course without trying to hammer it into membership in a Nazi Internationale.

    • Agree: Ano4, YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    @Exile


    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.
     
    I would say British nationalism is similar to a large extent. Most British nationalists don't seem to mind black immigrants from former British colonies, because they speak English, are basically Church of England in religion and their basic cultural traits are very similar to working class British culture, as in going to the pub, the type of food they eat, being into cricket, football, etc.

    In fact even Hindu, Sikh and HK Chinese immigrants are not minded either, because they are perceived to be English speaking and also as having a lot of British cultural traits inherited as a result of being a former colony.

    British nationalists are most likely to strongly oppose mass immigration seen as the most culturally alien, which would be Muslim immigration and to a lesser extent even Polish immigration.

    Most prominent British nationalists signal strongly against Islamisation, but basically never mention race.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Exile

  26. @Ano4

    But in the industrial era, population is more important than territory, and demographically Germany improved its status relative to Russia, so it’s not even clear who ultimately “won” or “lost” between the two. In the broader 20th century picture, Germany could certainly be said to have beaten Russia – not even Wilhelmine Germany intended to sever Belorussia from Russia.
     
    If Germany would have been a truly independent country (which it is not due to Atlanticist and NATO constraints), its influence on Russian economics and politics would be immense. Much more so than Russian influence on German politics.

    But of course this has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler and everything to a ex-KGB major who spent years working in Dresden only to be hired by a charismatic Leningrad mayor to help him attracting Western (mostly German) investments. The mayor then conveniently dies while under suspicion of embezzling (mostly German) financial help to his city and the gifted ex-KHB major starts his ascent to the heights of Kremlin politics with the help of new made acquaintances connected to British and Israeli interests.



    https://m.maz-online.de/var/storage/images/rnd/nachrichten/politik/ausland/stasi-ausweis-von-putin-in-dresden-entdeckt/709767248-7-ger-DE/Stasi-Ausweis-von-Putin-in-Dresden-entdeckt_master_reference.jpg

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/16/26B0638D00000578-2996764-image-a-26_1426499155938.jpg

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/08/31/article-2196271-14C6BE52000005DC-717_634x472.jpg

    https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41nUXNyEX2L.jpg

    This might be a fine scenario for a double-agents spy thriller...

    Replies: @Ano4

    My comment above was a reply to comment # 22 by AK.

  27. @JL
    @mal


    Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship.
     
    This is no longer the case: https://www.unz.com/akarlin/50-million-new-state-formers/

    US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real
     
    There's no US law governing multiple citizenships, so GosDep and any other government agency shouldn't treat your Russian citizenship as anything at all, real or fake. Furthermore, since there is no passport control upon departure from the US, there's no need for anyone to check, ever.

    Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real
     
    This is also incorrect, it is required by Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits, failure to do so is an administrative infraction and subject to a fine and/or 14-day jail sentence.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    there is no passport control upon departure from the US,

    False. Airlines check that you either have a visa of the country you are flying to, or a passport of that country. They don’t want to fly you back for free.

    Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits

    Maybe. But it is Russian tradition to ignore the law. It was so in tsarist times, in the USSR, and now in the RF. When you fly from Moscow to the States, they want to see both your passports, but never ask whether you are registered as a holder of other country’s passport.

    • Replies: @JL
    @AnonFromTN

    Airlines are not government agencies so they do not act as passport control. Their verification process is strictly for commercial interests and has nothing to do with legal requirements. For someone who travels from the US so often, I'm surprised you aren't aware of the difference.

    On the other thing, which is barely relevant to my post, the FSB is the agency responsible for border control, while the MVD is the agency with whom you need to register your other citizenships/residency permits. Indeed, you can flout the law, and many others. Chances are, there will be no consequences. But the way things work in Russia, authorities will look the other way until you give them a reason not to, at which point it's best not to give them too many hooks to hang their hats on.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Jazman
    @AnonFromTN

    Same happened to me I got stamp in Israel so no more Hurghada Egypt :)

  28. @AnonFromTN
    @JL


    there is no passport control upon departure from the US,
     
    False. Airlines check that you either have a visa of the country you are flying to, or a passport of that country. They don’t want to fly you back for free.

    Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits
     
    Maybe. But it is Russian tradition to ignore the law. It was so in tsarist times, in the USSR, and now in the RF. When you fly from Moscow to the States, they want to see both your passports, but never ask whether you are registered as a holder of other country’s passport.

    Replies: @JL, @Jazman

    Airlines are not government agencies so they do not act as passport control. Their verification process is strictly for commercial interests and has nothing to do with legal requirements. For someone who travels from the US so often, I’m surprised you aren’t aware of the difference.

    On the other thing, which is barely relevant to my post, the FSB is the agency responsible for border control, while the MVD is the agency with whom you need to register your other citizenships/residency permits. Indeed, you can flout the law, and many others. Chances are, there will be no consequences. But the way things work in Russia, authorities will look the other way until you give them a reason not to, at which point it’s best not to give them too many hooks to hang their hats on.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @JL

    I am aware that airlines are not government agencies. Thing is, when you fly from the US, the only point where anyone wants to see your passport is airline check-in. You have full passport control only when you re-enter.

    When you enter Russia, you show your Russian passport, and it gets stamped. So, when you leave it, you can only get an exit stamp in the same passport where you have the entry stamp, but they want to see your US passport to make sure that you will be admitted. Yes, that’s their purely commercial thing.

    In my experience, Russian authorities always look the other way. E.g., when I flew to Germany for a scientific meeting from Moscow and then came back, border control officer did not question the absence of the visa in my Russian passport, just stamped it. Technically, Russia does not allow multiple citizenship, but border control officers you deal with don’t give a hoot. What’s more, when you renew your Russian passport at Russian embassy in the US, the questionnaire specifically asks you whether you have US citizenship. I answer truthfully, and they still renew my passport w/o any issues.

    Nowadays it is advisable to have both US and Russian passports: the US passport lets you enter many countries w/o a visa (most of Europe, Latin America, many Asian countries, except China and India), whereas it is unsafe to enter quite a few countries with the US passport (Iran, Cuba, most Arab countries), and perfectly safe to enter them with the Russian one. You can enter Israel with either w/o a visa, but you don’t want an Israeli stamp in a passport you use in any Arab country. My Austrian collaborator told me that in Austria you can officially request two foreign passports for travel to “incompatible countries”.

    Replies: @utu

  29. @JL
    @AnonFromTN

    Airlines are not government agencies so they do not act as passport control. Their verification process is strictly for commercial interests and has nothing to do with legal requirements. For someone who travels from the US so often, I'm surprised you aren't aware of the difference.

    On the other thing, which is barely relevant to my post, the FSB is the agency responsible for border control, while the MVD is the agency with whom you need to register your other citizenships/residency permits. Indeed, you can flout the law, and many others. Chances are, there will be no consequences. But the way things work in Russia, authorities will look the other way until you give them a reason not to, at which point it's best not to give them too many hooks to hang their hats on.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    I am aware that airlines are not government agencies. Thing is, when you fly from the US, the only point where anyone wants to see your passport is airline check-in. You have full passport control only when you re-enter.

    When you enter Russia, you show your Russian passport, and it gets stamped. So, when you leave it, you can only get an exit stamp in the same passport where you have the entry stamp, but they want to see your US passport to make sure that you will be admitted. Yes, that’s their purely commercial thing.

    In my experience, Russian authorities always look the other way. E.g., when I flew to Germany for a scientific meeting from Moscow and then came back, border control officer did not question the absence of the visa in my Russian passport, just stamped it. Technically, Russia does not allow multiple citizenship, but border control officers you deal with don’t give a hoot. What’s more, when you renew your Russian passport at Russian embassy in the US, the questionnaire specifically asks you whether you have US citizenship. I answer truthfully, and they still renew my passport w/o any issues.

    Nowadays it is advisable to have both US and Russian passports: the US passport lets you enter many countries w/o a visa (most of Europe, Latin America, many Asian countries, except China and India), whereas it is unsafe to enter quite a few countries with the US passport (Iran, Cuba, most Arab countries), and perfectly safe to enter them with the Russian one. You can enter Israel with either w/o a visa, but you don’t want an Israeli stamp in a passport you use in any Arab country. My Austrian collaborator told me that in Austria you can officially request two foreign passports for travel to “incompatible countries”.

    • Replies: @utu
    @AnonFromTN

    I am pretty sure that travel document requirement is checked by airlines on behalf of the country you depart and country of your destination.

    Airlines in the US check passports on the behalf of the destination countries. They may not even let you fly if you do not have a return ticket unless your destination country does not have this requirement. At some point EU began to require RT tickets from travels on US passports.

    Is it possible to leave the US w/o passport control? Not really because countries you travel to act on behalf of the US checking your passports. Then there is so many various regulations that you may be checked on the border for all kinds of reasons like e.g. how much cash you have.

    If you get into a boat in NY and start rowing towards Europe would you be violating some American law of, say, illegal departure? I am pretty sure there is some law that regulates it.

    Some countries like Switzerland check at the time of departure how long you stayed in Switzerland and whether you were in Switzerland legally. You may have to pay a fine.

    The case of underwear bomber on the flight Amsterdam: he was refused to board by the airlines because he was lacking some documents of there was flag in the system but after an intervention of some officials at the airport in Amsterdam he was allowed to fly.

  30. Technically, Russia does not allow multiple citizenship

    Where on earth did you get this idea? Of course Russia allows multiple citizenships.

  31. Many Eastern European nationals will privately tell you that their people are not so critical of Hitler and his armies, and they actually partly benefited from the Nazis

    [MORE]

    In 1936, Hitler’s Germany and Japan, signed an ‘Anti-Comintern’ Pact alliance against Soviet Bolshevism … much of Eastern Europe joined, fearing Soviet Bolsheviks more than Hitler … and having ‘authoritarian’ governments of their own

    In a number of countries, people still quietly recall it was Hitler’s Nazis who helped them to a brief quasi-independence … which they did not win again until after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 … hence the ‘soft spot’ for the Nazis, amongst many in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Slovakia, and Croatia

    Hitler’s Axis Alliance came to include:
    Italy under Mussolini; Austria; Hungary under Admiral Horthy; Romania; Bulgaria;
    Slovakia, winning a few years of independence from ‘Czecho-Bolsheviks’, ‘thanks to Hitler’
    Finland, fighting their long-time Russian oppressor
    Very briefly Yugoslavia joined the Axis, and then after a pro-Russian Belgrade coup Croatia split off and became an Axis partner, Croatians winning a few years of independence from the Serbs, again ‘thanks to Hitler’

    Many Slavs participated in Hitler’s armies … Soviet tanks rolling in after WW2 was over, left a feeling that ‘Hitler was right’ about Russian Bolsheviks

    Latvian female soldiers with patches showing the ‘thunder cross’ or ‘fire cross’ aka ‘windmill of friendship’ aka swastika

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @brabantian

    Poast physiogamy.

    , @Korenchkin
    @brabantian


    after a pro-Russian Belgrade coup
     
    Opinion discarded
    , @Europe Europa
    @brabantian

    It was the Russian army that destroyed Germany, in a very brutal and barbaric way too, yet right wingers tend to blame the British for that and ignore any Russian involvement.

    Everyone on the right knows about "Bomber Harris" and the firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg, but the Rape of Berlin is a much more controversial subject that rarely gets mentioned by right wingers/pro-Nazi types.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @Korenchkin

  32. @brabantian
    Many Eastern European nationals will privately tell you that their people are not so critical of Hitler and his armies, and they actually partly benefited from the Nazis



    In 1936, Hitler's Germany and Japan, signed an 'Anti-Comintern' Pact alliance against Soviet Bolshevism ... much of Eastern Europe joined, fearing Soviet Bolsheviks more than Hitler ... and having 'authoritarian' governments of their own

    In a number of countries, people still quietly recall it was Hitler's Nazis who helped them to a brief quasi-independence ... which they did not win again until after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 ... hence the 'soft spot' for the Nazis, amongst many in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Slovakia, and Croatia

    Hitler's Axis Alliance came to include:
    Italy under Mussolini; Austria; Hungary under Admiral Horthy; Romania; Bulgaria;
    Slovakia, winning a few years of independence from 'Czecho-Bolsheviks', 'thanks to Hitler'
    Finland, fighting their long-time Russian oppressor
    Very briefly Yugoslavia joined the Axis, and then after a pro-Russian Belgrade coup Croatia split off and became an Axis partner, Croatians winning a few years of independence from the Serbs, again 'thanks to Hitler'

    Many Slavs participated in Hitler's armies ... Soviet tanks rolling in after WW2 was over, left a feeling that 'Hitler was right' about Russian Bolsheviks

    Latvian female soldiers with patches showing the 'thunder cross' or 'fire cross' aka 'windmill of friendship' aka swastika
    https://r2.mt.ru/r9/photo3F9F/20231490953-0/jpg/bp.jpeg

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Korenchkin, @Europe Europa

    Poast physiogamy.

  33. @brabantian
    Many Eastern European nationals will privately tell you that their people are not so critical of Hitler and his armies, and they actually partly benefited from the Nazis



    In 1936, Hitler's Germany and Japan, signed an 'Anti-Comintern' Pact alliance against Soviet Bolshevism ... much of Eastern Europe joined, fearing Soviet Bolsheviks more than Hitler ... and having 'authoritarian' governments of their own

    In a number of countries, people still quietly recall it was Hitler's Nazis who helped them to a brief quasi-independence ... which they did not win again until after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 ... hence the 'soft spot' for the Nazis, amongst many in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Slovakia, and Croatia

    Hitler's Axis Alliance came to include:
    Italy under Mussolini; Austria; Hungary under Admiral Horthy; Romania; Bulgaria;
    Slovakia, winning a few years of independence from 'Czecho-Bolsheviks', 'thanks to Hitler'
    Finland, fighting their long-time Russian oppressor
    Very briefly Yugoslavia joined the Axis, and then after a pro-Russian Belgrade coup Croatia split off and became an Axis partner, Croatians winning a few years of independence from the Serbs, again 'thanks to Hitler'

    Many Slavs participated in Hitler's armies ... Soviet tanks rolling in after WW2 was over, left a feeling that 'Hitler was right' about Russian Bolsheviks

    Latvian female soldiers with patches showing the 'thunder cross' or 'fire cross' aka 'windmill of friendship' aka swastika
    https://r2.mt.ru/r9/photo3F9F/20231490953-0/jpg/bp.jpeg

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Korenchkin, @Europe Europa

    after a pro-Russian Belgrade coup

    Opinion discarded

  34. @brabantian
    Many Eastern European nationals will privately tell you that their people are not so critical of Hitler and his armies, and they actually partly benefited from the Nazis



    In 1936, Hitler's Germany and Japan, signed an 'Anti-Comintern' Pact alliance against Soviet Bolshevism ... much of Eastern Europe joined, fearing Soviet Bolsheviks more than Hitler ... and having 'authoritarian' governments of their own

    In a number of countries, people still quietly recall it was Hitler's Nazis who helped them to a brief quasi-independence ... which they did not win again until after the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 ... hence the 'soft spot' for the Nazis, amongst many in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ukraine, Slovakia, and Croatia

    Hitler's Axis Alliance came to include:
    Italy under Mussolini; Austria; Hungary under Admiral Horthy; Romania; Bulgaria;
    Slovakia, winning a few years of independence from 'Czecho-Bolsheviks', 'thanks to Hitler'
    Finland, fighting their long-time Russian oppressor
    Very briefly Yugoslavia joined the Axis, and then after a pro-Russian Belgrade coup Croatia split off and became an Axis partner, Croatians winning a few years of independence from the Serbs, again 'thanks to Hitler'

    Many Slavs participated in Hitler's armies ... Soviet tanks rolling in after WW2 was over, left a feeling that 'Hitler was right' about Russian Bolsheviks

    Latvian female soldiers with patches showing the 'thunder cross' or 'fire cross' aka 'windmill of friendship' aka swastika
    https://r2.mt.ru/r9/photo3F9F/20231490953-0/jpg/bp.jpeg

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh, @Korenchkin, @Europe Europa

    It was the Russian army that destroyed Germany, in a very brutal and barbaric way too, yet right wingers tend to blame the British for that and ignore any Russian involvement.

    Everyone on the right knows about “Bomber Harris” and the firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg, but the Rape of Berlin is a much more controversial subject that rarely gets mentioned by right wingers/pro-Nazi types.

    • Replies: @but an humble craftsman
    @Europe Europa

    too embarassing.

    That's the beautiful thing about rape as a weapon.

    On the other hand, no Russian will ever understand why eastern Europeans do not love Russians. Or why so many Germans are seemingly irrationally russophobic.

    Everything has its downside.

    Replies: @Korenchkin

    , @Korenchkin
    @Europe Europa

    What parallel dimension do you live in? They never shut up about fighting against Judeo-Bolshevism and spam the Soviet rapeface liberator meme
    Anglos talk more about Bomber Harris probably because they theoretically could've decided not to firebomb German cities, while the behavior of the Red Army was totally beyond their control

    Not that rape of women during wartime is a crucial issue to be controversial about, sharper circles tend to focus on discussions of allied vs axis economics or wether different policies and battlefield decisions could've changed the outcomes on the war


    in a very brutal and barbaric way too
     
    Because the German behaviour in the East was oh so noble, give me a break
  35. @Europe Europa
    @brabantian

    It was the Russian army that destroyed Germany, in a very brutal and barbaric way too, yet right wingers tend to blame the British for that and ignore any Russian involvement.

    Everyone on the right knows about "Bomber Harris" and the firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg, but the Rape of Berlin is a much more controversial subject that rarely gets mentioned by right wingers/pro-Nazi types.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @Korenchkin

    too embarassing.

    That’s the beautiful thing about rape as a weapon.

    On the other hand, no Russian will ever understand why eastern Europeans do not love Russians. Or why so many Germans are seemingly irrationally russophobic.

    Everything has its downside.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    @but an humble craftsman

    History did not begin in 1945

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

  36. @Europe Europa
    @brabantian

    It was the Russian army that destroyed Germany, in a very brutal and barbaric way too, yet right wingers tend to blame the British for that and ignore any Russian involvement.

    Everyone on the right knows about "Bomber Harris" and the firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg, but the Rape of Berlin is a much more controversial subject that rarely gets mentioned by right wingers/pro-Nazi types.

    Replies: @but an humble craftsman, @Korenchkin

    What parallel dimension do you live in? They never shut up about fighting against Judeo-Bolshevism and spam the Soviet rapeface liberator meme
    Anglos talk more about Bomber Harris probably because they theoretically could’ve decided not to firebomb German cities, while the behavior of the Red Army was totally beyond their control

    Not that rape of women during wartime is a crucial issue to be controversial about, sharper circles tend to focus on discussions of allied vs axis economics or wether different policies and battlefield decisions could’ve changed the outcomes on the war

    in a very brutal and barbaric way too

    Because the German behaviour in the East was oh so noble, give me a break

  37. @but an humble craftsman
    @Europe Europa

    too embarassing.

    That's the beautiful thing about rape as a weapon.

    On the other hand, no Russian will ever understand why eastern Europeans do not love Russians. Or why so many Germans are seemingly irrationally russophobic.

    Everything has its downside.

    Replies: @Korenchkin

    History did not begin in 1945

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @Korenchkin

    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

  38. @Korenchkin
    @but an humble craftsman

    History did not begin in 1945

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Curmudgeon


    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.
     
    Wow, that's an innovative history. About as credible as BLM narrative. Let me get it straight: so Egyptian pyramids, Chinese Han dynasty, Babylon, Greek and Roman cities all appeared after 1945? Homer, Shakespeare, Goethe, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Bach, Vivaldi, Albinoni, Mozart, Beethoven, and others wrote everything they did after 1945? No wonder Beethoven is black on the planet all of this happened. Most of us live on a different planet, though.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Curmudgeon

  39. @Curmudgeon
    @Korenchkin

    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.

    Wow, that’s an innovative history. About as credible as BLM narrative. Let me get it straight: so Egyptian pyramids, Chinese Han dynasty, Babylon, Greek and Roman cities all appeared after 1945? Homer, Shakespeare, Goethe, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Bach, Vivaldi, Albinoni, Mozart, Beethoven, and others wrote everything they did after 1945? No wonder Beethoven is black on the planet all of this happened. Most of us live on a different planet, though.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @AnonFromTN

    The Holocaust narrative is more unreasonable than Afrocentrism

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Curmudgeon
    @AnonFromTN

    Apparently, you do not understand sarcasm.

  40. @AnonFromTN
    @Curmudgeon


    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.
     
    Wow, that's an innovative history. About as credible as BLM narrative. Let me get it straight: so Egyptian pyramids, Chinese Han dynasty, Babylon, Greek and Roman cities all appeared after 1945? Homer, Shakespeare, Goethe, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Bach, Vivaldi, Albinoni, Mozart, Beethoven, and others wrote everything they did after 1945? No wonder Beethoven is black on the planet all of this happened. Most of us live on a different planet, though.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Curmudgeon

    The Holocaust narrative is more unreasonable than Afrocentrism

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Kent Nationalist


    The Holocaust narrative is more unreasonable than Afrocentrism
     
    I wouldn’t use terms “more” or “less” comparing two narratives based on lies (if you mean alleged numbers of Holocaust “victims”). In my book, one lie is equal to another.
  41. @another anon
    @mal


    Right, and how exactly would they accomplish that? Even inside Russia ethnic minorities are what, 17% of the population? It is delusional to think that expelling or killing 17% of the population to establish an ethnically pure state won’t have adverse effects on Russian economy and civic institutions.
     
    Exactly. If Russian Nazism have nothing in common with Hitler's Nazism, as AK says, why use Hitler's name and symbolism at all? What can you gain (except shocking the normies and life in prison)?

    There were many based and red pilled strong Russian leaders who, unlike the failed painter, were succesful winners. If you are Russian, why not claim Ivan the Awesome or Peter the Great, and leave the syphilitic painter in the dustbin of history, where he belongs?

    As for the Jews, yeah, we have a lot to learn from them
     
    Yes, Jews are succesful, while Hitler was, in every measure, as complete and total failure as one could be.
    If there is anything to learn from him, it is what do not do.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    I’m not going to cite the literally hundreds of sources that have deconstructed the bullshit narratives of the victors, which includes the USSR.
    WWII started because of the success of National Socialism and Hitler. His “economic miracle” demonstrated that the international banking cartel was completely unnecessary to the well-being of a nation. That couldn’t be allowed to continue. Name one other time in the history of France or the UK and its constituent countries, when it has allowed another country to decide whether it was going to war. There was going to be a war, whether the NSDAP wanted one or not.
    As was posted on this site, John Wear’s book thoroughly documented the Soviet build up to invade Germany. There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger. They had survived a 1919 communist coup, and one of its leaders, Rosa Luxemburg, criticized the Soviets. There are no “good guys” in any war. Hitler is a “failure” in the same way the USSR was, and China is a “failure”. Their successes in areas of our failures cannot be allowed to be discussed. It interferes with the narrative of our owners.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Curmudgeon


    There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger.
     
    Is that why Germany occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France? Czechoslovakia and Poland were at least in the same direction as the USSR, but the other countries weren’t.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    , @another anon
    @Curmudgeon


    There are no “good guys” in any war.
     
    LOL. No one here is talking about "good" and "bad" guys.
    We are talking about competent and incompetent guys, and, in this field, the Nazis won the idiot crown of all time.
    You cheated, you cracked the game to get all the lucky breaks you wanted, and you still lost.

    It is not our fault that everyone saw us as bad guys! Our black uniforms with skulls and crossbones, our medieval style book burnings, our master race talk, our public thug violence, our concentration camps in plain sight had nothing to do with it!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn't allowed us to take over more countries without a fight! Only in 1936 and 1938 and 1939 and it was not enough! We needed more free stuff!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn't allowed themselves to be rolled over! Only in 1940 and in 1941, and it was not enough! We needed more lucky breaks!
    It is not our fault that our intelligence was unable to penetrate the enemy, that all our agents were turned and all our uncrackable codes were cracked!
    It is not our fault that we managed our economy so well that, with whole contintental Europe, we were unable to outproduce even the remnant of USSR!
    It is not our fault we we wasted our scarce resources on pointless wonder weapons!
    It is not our fault we continued to fight to the hopeless end to ensure maximal possible death toll and destruction of our country!

    Waah! We were betrayed! Waah! Waah! Waah!

    And, 80 years after the war, normal Neo-Nazi understanding of the war looks like this:

    https://twitter.com/RoyalistW/status/1293335749006364672

    Hitler is a “failure” in the same way the USSR was
     
    Yes, it is the same thing, only worse. Soviet Union won the greatest war in history, and then its own intellectual and managerial elite sold it for blue jeans, coca cola and chewing gum.
    And neo-Soviets are even less able than neo-Nazis to think what went wrong.
    Their analysis usually looks like: "Waah, the Jews treacherously killed Stalin! Waah, Gorbachev and Yakovlev were CIA agents! Everything was fine until we were betrayed! Waah!"

    This is why both the swastika and hammer and sickle vawing crowd are nothing than LARPing clowns, good for nothing than easy laugh.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Kent Nationalist

  42. @Kent Nationalist
    @AnonFromTN

    The Holocaust narrative is more unreasonable than Afrocentrism

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    The Holocaust narrative is more unreasonable than Afrocentrism

    I wouldn’t use terms “more” or “less” comparing two narratives based on lies (if you mean alleged numbers of Holocaust “victims”). In my book, one lie is equal to another.

  43. @Curmudgeon
    @another anon

    I'm not going to cite the literally hundreds of sources that have deconstructed the bullshit narratives of the victors, which includes the USSR.
    WWII started because of the success of National Socialism and Hitler. His "economic miracle" demonstrated that the international banking cartel was completely unnecessary to the well-being of a nation. That couldn't be allowed to continue. Name one other time in the history of France or the UK and its constituent countries, when it has allowed another country to decide whether it was going to war. There was going to be a war, whether the NSDAP wanted one or not.
    As was posted on this site, John Wear's book thoroughly documented the Soviet build up to invade Germany. There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger. They had survived a 1919 communist coup, and one of its leaders, Rosa Luxemburg, criticized the Soviets. There are no "good guys" in any war. Hitler is a "failure" in the same way the USSR was, and China is a "failure". Their successes in areas of our failures cannot be allowed to be discussed. It interferes with the narrative of our owners.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @another anon

    There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger.

    Is that why Germany occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France? Czechoslovakia and Poland were at least in the same direction as the USSR, but the other countries weren’t.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    @AnonFromTN

    FFS man, stop reading the (((official))) narrative.
    Poland "occupied" Czechoslovakia before Germany did. The part Germany "occupied" had been German for hundreds of years before the Treaty of Versailles, contrary to the assurances of the Armistice and International Law, broke up Germany, Austro-Hungary, and the Turkish/Ottoman Empire. The part "occupied" by Germany had held a plebiscite in favour of rejoining Germany. So much for self determination.



    Post Armistice, Poland invaded and occupied several parts of Germany, which again, contrary to the assurances of the Armistice and International Law, were given to Poland under the Treaty. Danzig, which was part of Germany that was 95+% German was put under a League of Nations mandate. Poland did not recognize the mandate and claimed Danzig. During the 1920s and up to the NSDAP election, there was extensive ethnic cleansing of Germans from Poland's "new" territories. Germany then went to Polish leader Piłsudski, recognized a number of former German territories, such as Upper Silesia as Polish, and signed a non aggression pact. The issue was less about disputed West Prussia, which had a greatly reduced German population, than Danzig due to the ethnic cleansing. Several proposals were exchanged to settle the matter, most proposed plebiscites. Piłsudski was replaced by Rydz-Śmigły, who ignored Piłsudski's advice to settle peacefully. After Piłsudski died, Rydz-Śmigły re-started the ethnic cleansing in West Prussia, and was again claiming Danzig, which had voted overwhelmingly to re-join Germany. Germany offered to settle the matter of West Prussia in the similar terms proposed by Piłsudski. Backed by a French-British guarantee, Poland refused to even look at the offer and ordered the Polish Armed Forces to mobilize for attack on Germany. That caused the German invasion of Poland.

    Neutral Norway was invaded, because the British were mining Norwegian harbours attempting to prevent iron ore shipments to Germany. Britain had a plan to invade Norway, discovered by the Germans. The British plan was held up by 2 days of bad weather which enabled the Germans to stop the British invasion. Denmark was invaded to get to Norway.

    Belgium and the Netherlands declared neutrality. Both were allowing British reconnaissance flights over and from their territories. They did not protest the British bombers flying over their territory to bomb Germany. Belgium was actively working with France and was moving troops to the German border.

    Luxembourg was invaded because of where it is to get to Belgium.

    Now, on France, you are exposing yourself completely. Germany and the Slovak Republic declared war on Poland Sept 1/39. France, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Transjordan, Morrocco, and Tunisia declared war on Germany Sept 3/39. France invaded Germany on Sept 7/39 but was pushed out by the end of September. Germany sued for peace, France refused. British troops had landed in unoccupied France and together with French forces were mobilizing to attack Germany. Germany invaded the Western half of France, defeated both the French and British, sealed the coast, and offered peace to both countries on the basis of pre-war borders for all countries. Britain and France refused. Germany remained in the Western half of France to seal the coast, and the rest of France was left to do pretty much what it wanted to do under the "Vichy Regime". Germany left the French Navy to the Vichy government, but Churchill decided to sink the fleet, causing the deaths of over 1200 French sailors.

    Got it?

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

  44. I just finished watching the interesting video clip that accompanied this posting. Towards the end (20:20) the TV newsman states a very interesting statistic, that 70% or more of ethnic Russians favor the removal of Caucasians from Russia (presumably back to their Caucasian homelands). Now mind you, this is a poling result representing a wide spectrum of Russians of all political persuasions.

    Question: Anatoly, do you too, and your “moderate” brand of Russian nationalism also believe that “Caucasians” should be sent back to their Caucasian homeland, removed from European Russia?

    • Replies: @JL
    @Mr. Hack

    First of all, the North Caucasus are in European Russia. Secondly, this poll was from over 15 years ago, fresh off the second Chechen war and a wave of terrorist attacks in Moscow and other cities.

    Ideally, yes, the DICh folks should be removed back to their homelands, and a great big beautiful wall built sealing them off from the rest of Russia. Unfortunately, for the moment, this is probably an unrealistic option considering that they are citizens of Russia, afforded the same rights as all other citizens. Sending the non-citizens of Central Asia and the South Caucasus back to their own countries would be more more viable.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  45. @AnonFromTN
    @JL

    I am aware that airlines are not government agencies. Thing is, when you fly from the US, the only point where anyone wants to see your passport is airline check-in. You have full passport control only when you re-enter.

    When you enter Russia, you show your Russian passport, and it gets stamped. So, when you leave it, you can only get an exit stamp in the same passport where you have the entry stamp, but they want to see your US passport to make sure that you will be admitted. Yes, that’s their purely commercial thing.

    In my experience, Russian authorities always look the other way. E.g., when I flew to Germany for a scientific meeting from Moscow and then came back, border control officer did not question the absence of the visa in my Russian passport, just stamped it. Technically, Russia does not allow multiple citizenship, but border control officers you deal with don’t give a hoot. What’s more, when you renew your Russian passport at Russian embassy in the US, the questionnaire specifically asks you whether you have US citizenship. I answer truthfully, and they still renew my passport w/o any issues.

    Nowadays it is advisable to have both US and Russian passports: the US passport lets you enter many countries w/o a visa (most of Europe, Latin America, many Asian countries, except China and India), whereas it is unsafe to enter quite a few countries with the US passport (Iran, Cuba, most Arab countries), and perfectly safe to enter them with the Russian one. You can enter Israel with either w/o a visa, but you don’t want an Israeli stamp in a passport you use in any Arab country. My Austrian collaborator told me that in Austria you can officially request two foreign passports for travel to “incompatible countries”.

    Replies: @utu

    I am pretty sure that travel document requirement is checked by airlines on behalf of the country you depart and country of your destination.

    Airlines in the US check passports on the behalf of the destination countries. They may not even let you fly if you do not have a return ticket unless your destination country does not have this requirement. At some point EU began to require RT tickets from travels on US passports.

    Is it possible to leave the US w/o passport control? Not really because countries you travel to act on behalf of the US checking your passports. Then there is so many various regulations that you may be checked on the border for all kinds of reasons like e.g. how much cash you have.

    If you get into a boat in NY and start rowing towards Europe would you be violating some American law of, say, illegal departure? I am pretty sure there is some law that regulates it.

    Some countries like Switzerland check at the time of departure how long you stayed in Switzerland and whether you were in Switzerland legally. You may have to pay a fine.

    The case of underwear bomber on the flight Amsterdam: he was refused to board by the airlines because he was lacking some documents of there was flag in the system but after an intervention of some officials at the airport in Amsterdam he was allowed to fly.

  46. @Curmudgeon
    @another anon

    I'm not going to cite the literally hundreds of sources that have deconstructed the bullshit narratives of the victors, which includes the USSR.
    WWII started because of the success of National Socialism and Hitler. His "economic miracle" demonstrated that the international banking cartel was completely unnecessary to the well-being of a nation. That couldn't be allowed to continue. Name one other time in the history of France or the UK and its constituent countries, when it has allowed another country to decide whether it was going to war. There was going to be a war, whether the NSDAP wanted one or not.
    As was posted on this site, John Wear's book thoroughly documented the Soviet build up to invade Germany. There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger. They had survived a 1919 communist coup, and one of its leaders, Rosa Luxemburg, criticized the Soviets. There are no "good guys" in any war. Hitler is a "failure" in the same way the USSR was, and China is a "failure". Their successes in areas of our failures cannot be allowed to be discussed. It interferes with the narrative of our owners.

    Replies: @AnonFromTN, @another anon

    There are no “good guys” in any war.

    LOL. No one here is talking about “good” and “bad” guys.
    We are talking about competent and incompetent guys, and, in this field, the Nazis won the idiot crown of all time.
    You cheated, you cracked the game to get all the lucky breaks you wanted, and you still lost.

    It is not our fault that everyone saw us as bad guys! Our black uniforms with skulls and crossbones, our medieval style book burnings, our master race talk, our public thug violence, our concentration camps in plain sight had nothing to do with it!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn’t allowed us to take over more countries without a fight! Only in 1936 and 1938 and 1939 and it was not enough! We needed more free stuff!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn’t allowed themselves to be rolled over! Only in 1940 and in 1941, and it was not enough! We needed more lucky breaks!
    It is not our fault that our intelligence was unable to penetrate the enemy, that all our agents were turned and all our uncrackable codes were cracked!
    It is not our fault that we managed our economy so well that, with whole contintental Europe, we were unable to outproduce even the remnant of USSR!
    It is not our fault we we wasted our scarce resources on pointless wonder weapons!
    It is not our fault we continued to fight to the hopeless end to ensure maximal possible death toll and destruction of our country!

    Waah! We were betrayed! Waah! Waah! Waah!

    And, 80 years after the war, normal Neo-Nazi understanding of the war looks like this:

    Hitler is a “failure” in the same way the USSR was

    Yes, it is the same thing, only worse. Soviet Union won the greatest war in history, and then its own intellectual and managerial elite sold it for blue jeans, coca cola and chewing gum.
    And neo-Soviets are even less able than neo-Nazis to think what went wrong.
    Their analysis usually looks like: “Waah, the Jews treacherously killed Stalin! Waah, Gorbachev and Yakovlev were CIA agents! Everything was fine until we were betrayed! Waah!”

    This is why both the swastika and hammer and sickle vawing crowd are nothing than LARPing clowns, good for nothing than easy laugh.

    • Agree: Ano4, Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @another anon

    Something very funny about some anonymous cretin and 'Royalist Weeb' criticising the abilities of a man who created a party from nothing to become leader of his country and conquered most of Europe

    Replies: @Ano4

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @another anon


    It is not our fault that everyone saw us as bad guys!
     
    They didn't, many prominent people (e.g. Lloyd-George) were impressed with Hitler and the Nazis initially.

    Our black uniforms with skulls and crossbones
     
    It's a Prussian cavalry symbol

    our medieval style book burnings
     
    You think people opposed burning tranny books?

    our master race talk
     
    This was very widespread among English and American intellectuals

    our public thug violence
     
    The violence was started by Communists, as it was later in Britain and still is today. Hitler restrained violence against Jews.

    our concentration camps in plain sight
     
    America interned the Japanese, Britain deported German/Austrian citizens (including Jews) to Australia

    It is not our fault that our enemies didn’t allowed us to take over more countries without a fight! Only in 1936 and 1938 and 1939 and it was not enough!

     

    Up until the annexation of Czechia, these were taking over ethnic German areas which had been separated from Germany by force.

    It is not our fault that our enemies didn’t allowed themselves to be rolled over! Only in 1940 and in 1941, and it was not enough! We needed more lucky breaks!

     

    ? Nothing 'lucky' about the conquest of France. Hitler personally selected the brilliant Sichelschnitt plan over the conventional plan of the General Staff.

    It is not our fault that we managed our economy so well that, with whole contintental Europe, we were unable to outproduce even the remnant of USSR!

     

    You are right that the German economy might have been more efficiently managed. But it wasn't 'the whole of Europe' since only in the final years of the war, were the resources of conquered countries completely mobilised. Germans enjoyed a good standard of living in the opening years in the war. The USSR was being supplied with vast amounts of industrial supplies (e.g. trucks, trains) by America and Britain and so could concentrate all of its efforts on war production.

    It is not our fault we we wasted our scarce resources on pointless wonder weapons!

     

    The development of such weapons took place far too late to impact the outcome of the war.

    It is not our fault we continued to fight to the hopeless end to ensure maximal possible death toll and destruction of our country!

     

    At the time, Jews in the US were publishing books and plotting in the government to destroy Germany after they had won.

    Far more stupid mistakes were made by the Allies and the USSR, nevertheless they won (just) because of their superior resources and positions.
  47. More seriously: What exactly were the supposed great achievements of great patriot Mr. Hatchet, except breaking legs and crushing skulls?

    Invention of “Ironic Nazi trolling”.

    What is “Ironic Nazi trolling”? What is it good for? What is it supposed to do?

    It is supposed to trigger the liberals, and it works all the time.

    Wave Nazi flag, sing Nazi songs, give Nazi salute and you can be 100% sure that the liberals will be triggered.

    Now that the liberals are triggered, what they will do?

    They will reconsider their dedication to unlimited free speech, they will pass laws against hate speech, and they will put you in jail.
    Mission accomplished.

    Unfortunately, it does not end there. The hate speech laws will not be used only against Neo-Nazi morons (there are not many of them out here, after all), but against everyone who questions the official line about race, sexuality, immigration etc. But they were passed because of these Neo-Nazi morons.

    So, if you are afraid to speak about immigration, LGBTQ issues, HBDIQ science etc, give big thanks to people like Mr. Hatchet.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @another anon

    I don't endorse Tesak's activism, which was nihilistic and ultimately counterproductive. While I doubt Tesak killed anyone himself, his actions did "inspire" numerous copycats, who were more serious about "reality" than "performance." As someone who could potentially mobilize thousands of Far Right radicals onto the streets under the cover of anti-pedophilia (making him a kind of too early for his time Qanonist, too), he was also not exactly insignificant from a state security perspective. I think that the long crackdown on Russian nationalists during the 2010s until 2019 may in part be attributable to him.

    My point here was to primarily to show that Tesak wasn't a typical wignat, adding some nuance to the typical obituaries you'd find in the Russian media (Western media doesn't really write at all about him, because only Putler and Navalny interest them). For an actual endorsement, see Prosvirnin's eulogy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsKMd-ngVWU

    Replies: @Ano4

  48. @Mr. Hack
    I just finished watching the interesting video clip that accompanied this posting. Towards the end (20:20) the TV newsman states a very interesting statistic, that 70% or more of ethnic Russians favor the removal of Caucasians from Russia (presumably back to their Caucasian homelands). Now mind you, this is a poling result representing a wide spectrum of Russians of all political persuasions.

    Question: Anatoly, do you too, and your "moderate" brand of Russian nationalism also believe that "Caucasians" should be sent back to their Caucasian homeland, removed from European Russia?

    Replies: @JL

    First of all, the North Caucasus are in European Russia. Secondly, this poll was from over 15 years ago, fresh off the second Chechen war and a wave of terrorist attacks in Moscow and other cities.

    Ideally, yes, the DICh folks should be removed back to their homelands, and a great big beautiful wall built sealing them off from the rest of Russia. Unfortunately, for the moment, this is probably an unrealistic option considering that they are citizens of Russia, afforded the same rights as all other citizens. Sending the non-citizens of Central Asia and the South Caucasus back to their own countries would be more more viable.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @JL

    I guess that I'm easily fooled, but then again why would Karlin use a clip from 15 years ago?

  49. @another anon
    More seriously: What exactly were the supposed great achievements of great patriot Mr. Hatchet, except breaking legs and crushing skulls?

    Invention of "Ironic Nazi trolling".

    What is "Ironic Nazi trolling"? What is it good for? What is it supposed to do?

    It is supposed to trigger the liberals, and it works all the time.

    Wave Nazi flag, sing Nazi songs, give Nazi salute and you can be 100% sure that the liberals will be triggered.

    Now that the liberals are triggered, what they will do?

    They will reconsider their dedication to unlimited free speech, they will pass laws against hate speech, and they will put you in jail.
    Mission accomplished.

    Unfortunately, it does not end there. The hate speech laws will not be used only against Neo-Nazi morons (there are not many of them out here, after all), but against everyone who questions the official line about race, sexuality, immigration etc. But they were passed because of these Neo-Nazi morons.

    So, if you are afraid to speak about immigration, LGBTQ issues, HBDIQ science etc, give big thanks to people like Mr. Hatchet.

    https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/25/16/3C7EBA8F00000578-0-image-a-149_1485361326155.jpg

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I don’t endorse Tesak’s activism, which was nihilistic and ultimately counterproductive. While I doubt Tesak killed anyone himself, his actions did “inspire” numerous copycats, who were more serious about “reality” than “performance.” As someone who could potentially mobilize thousands of Far Right radicals onto the streets under the cover of anti-pedophilia (making him a kind of too early for his time Qanonist, too), he was also not exactly insignificant from a state security perspective. I think that the long crackdown on Russian nationalists during the 2010s until 2019 may in part be attributable to him.

    My point here was to primarily to show that Tesak wasn’t a typical wignat, adding some nuance to the typical obituaries you’d find in the Russian media (Western media doesn’t really write at all about him, because only Putler and Navalny interest them). For an actual endorsement, see Prosvirnin’s eulogy:

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Anatoly Karlin


    While I doubt Tesak killed anyone himself, his actions did “inspire” numerous copycats, who were more serious about “reality” than “performance.
     


    He probably killed people himself. And his 1488th level trolling was just an icing on the cake of ultraviolence. Tesak was a real life embodiment of the Clockwork Orange principal character. I am pretty sure that if he wouldn't have turned a neo-Nazi, he would have become something as violent under another "brand ". Thinking about it; he would actually have made an excellent ISIS recruit.
  50. @Anatoly Karlin
    @another anon

    I don't endorse Tesak's activism, which was nihilistic and ultimately counterproductive. While I doubt Tesak killed anyone himself, his actions did "inspire" numerous copycats, who were more serious about "reality" than "performance." As someone who could potentially mobilize thousands of Far Right radicals onto the streets under the cover of anti-pedophilia (making him a kind of too early for his time Qanonist, too), he was also not exactly insignificant from a state security perspective. I think that the long crackdown on Russian nationalists during the 2010s until 2019 may in part be attributable to him.

    My point here was to primarily to show that Tesak wasn't a typical wignat, adding some nuance to the typical obituaries you'd find in the Russian media (Western media doesn't really write at all about him, because only Putler and Navalny interest them). For an actual endorsement, see Prosvirnin's eulogy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsKMd-ngVWU

    Replies: @Ano4

    While I doubt Tesak killed anyone himself, his actions did “inspire” numerous copycats, who were more serious about “reality” than “performance.

    He probably killed people himself. And his 1488th level trolling was just an icing on the cake of ultraviolence. Tesak was a real life embodiment of the Clockwork Orange principal character. I am pretty sure that if he wouldn’t have turned a neo-Nazi, he would have become something as violent under another “brand “. Thinking about it; he would actually have made an excellent ISIS recruit.

  51. @Exile
    @Ano4

    All the more reason why I'd like to draw a line between the Russian skins and the Western dissident Right today.

    I'm a staunch defender of the "wignats" of White Nationalism 2.0 and recognize that hard Right vanguardists are not going to have the manners of the Counter-Currents egghead set.

    But there is a level of nihilism and frankly degenerate behavior among some of these groups - Russia's Yelstin-era skins among them - that is vastly net-negative, savage and atavistic.

    I've said repeatedly here and elsewhere that the guys in the Western hard-White movements who think that Russia is fertile ground for White Nationalism don't show much knowledge of what drives Russian nationalism.

    Russians do not feel they are under attack for being White in Russia. If anything, they mock us for suffering such abuse in the West.

    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.

    I want Western WN's to see Russia as a legitimate participant in a multi-polar future and a somewhat distant but sympathetic cultural ally on a number of issues of common concern. But that is the best we are going to achieve.

    Russians would do well to support Western White Nationalism as the only movement here truly committed to restraining the GloboShlomo economic and war machines and Western White Nationalists would do well to let Russian Nationalism follow its own particular course without trying to hammer it into membership in a Nazi Internationale.

    Replies: @Europe Europa

    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.

    I would say British nationalism is similar to a large extent. Most British nationalists don’t seem to mind black immigrants from former British colonies, because they speak English, are basically Church of England in religion and their basic cultural traits are very similar to working class British culture, as in going to the pub, the type of food they eat, being into cricket, football, etc.

    In fact even Hindu, Sikh and HK Chinese immigrants are not minded either, because they are perceived to be English speaking and also as having a lot of British cultural traits inherited as a result of being a former colony.

    British nationalists are most likely to strongly oppose mass immigration seen as the most culturally alien, which would be Muslim immigration and to a lesser extent even Polish immigration.

    Most prominent British nationalists signal strongly against Islamisation, but basically never mention race.

    • Disagree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Europe Europa

    Is it your picture below?

    https://cache.pressmailing.net/thumbnail/story_hires/56b49af9-b9ff-4930-b229-8ceb9172ed3e/Brexit_People_s_Vote_60741471.jpg.jpg

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    , @Exile
    @Europe Europa

    That doesn't jibe with what I've seen & heard of British White nationalists - maybe describes the UKIP cuck crowd. There's a legitimate White Nationalist movement in Britain with Patriotic Alternative and some other associated groups and they're quite race-aware. And they're not even that sympathetic to Tommy Robinson's Zio-cucked anti-jihad crew or other groups that try to downplay race for better "optics."

    Unlike Russians in Russia, British Whites are definitely under attack for being White in Britain. Apple-Orange as far as their actual situations, though you'll find cucked nationalist movements in every NATO country and most of Eastern Europe now.

  52. @another anon
    @Curmudgeon


    There are no “good guys” in any war.
     
    LOL. No one here is talking about "good" and "bad" guys.
    We are talking about competent and incompetent guys, and, in this field, the Nazis won the idiot crown of all time.
    You cheated, you cracked the game to get all the lucky breaks you wanted, and you still lost.

    It is not our fault that everyone saw us as bad guys! Our black uniforms with skulls and crossbones, our medieval style book burnings, our master race talk, our public thug violence, our concentration camps in plain sight had nothing to do with it!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn't allowed us to take over more countries without a fight! Only in 1936 and 1938 and 1939 and it was not enough! We needed more free stuff!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn't allowed themselves to be rolled over! Only in 1940 and in 1941, and it was not enough! We needed more lucky breaks!
    It is not our fault that our intelligence was unable to penetrate the enemy, that all our agents were turned and all our uncrackable codes were cracked!
    It is not our fault that we managed our economy so well that, with whole contintental Europe, we were unable to outproduce even the remnant of USSR!
    It is not our fault we we wasted our scarce resources on pointless wonder weapons!
    It is not our fault we continued to fight to the hopeless end to ensure maximal possible death toll and destruction of our country!

    Waah! We were betrayed! Waah! Waah! Waah!

    And, 80 years after the war, normal Neo-Nazi understanding of the war looks like this:

    https://twitter.com/RoyalistW/status/1293335749006364672

    Hitler is a “failure” in the same way the USSR was
     
    Yes, it is the same thing, only worse. Soviet Union won the greatest war in history, and then its own intellectual and managerial elite sold it for blue jeans, coca cola and chewing gum.
    And neo-Soviets are even less able than neo-Nazis to think what went wrong.
    Their analysis usually looks like: "Waah, the Jews treacherously killed Stalin! Waah, Gorbachev and Yakovlev were CIA agents! Everything was fine until we were betrayed! Waah!"

    This is why both the swastika and hammer and sickle vawing crowd are nothing than LARPing clowns, good for nothing than easy laugh.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Kent Nationalist

    Something very funny about some anonymous cretin and ‘Royalist Weeb’ criticising the abilities of a man who created a party from nothing to become leader of his country and conquered most of Europe

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Kent Nationalist


    become leader of his country and conquered most of Europe
     
    That is a logic the Stalinists also use.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

  53. @Kent Nationalist
    @another anon

    Something very funny about some anonymous cretin and 'Royalist Weeb' criticising the abilities of a man who created a party from nothing to become leader of his country and conquered most of Europe

    Replies: @Ano4

    become leader of his country and conquered most of Europe

    That is a logic the Stalinists also use.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
    @Ano4

    If I supported Stalin, I would say the same thing about other Communists with absurd names and ideologies smugly calling him incompetent.

  54. @Europe Europa
    @Exile


    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.
     
    I would say British nationalism is similar to a large extent. Most British nationalists don't seem to mind black immigrants from former British colonies, because they speak English, are basically Church of England in religion and their basic cultural traits are very similar to working class British culture, as in going to the pub, the type of food they eat, being into cricket, football, etc.

    In fact even Hindu, Sikh and HK Chinese immigrants are not minded either, because they are perceived to be English speaking and also as having a lot of British cultural traits inherited as a result of being a former colony.

    British nationalists are most likely to strongly oppose mass immigration seen as the most culturally alien, which would be Muslim immigration and to a lesser extent even Polish immigration.

    Most prominent British nationalists signal strongly against Islamisation, but basically never mention race.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Exile

    Is it your picture below?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Ano4

    Formidable babe. Major fighting force. Can exhaust to death at least two men in bed.

  55. @Ano4
    @Kent Nationalist


    become leader of his country and conquered most of Europe
     
    That is a logic the Stalinists also use.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist

    If I supported Stalin, I would say the same thing about other Communists with absurd names and ideologies smugly calling him incompetent.

    • Agree: Ano4
  56. @another anon
    @Curmudgeon


    There are no “good guys” in any war.
     
    LOL. No one here is talking about "good" and "bad" guys.
    We are talking about competent and incompetent guys, and, in this field, the Nazis won the idiot crown of all time.
    You cheated, you cracked the game to get all the lucky breaks you wanted, and you still lost.

    It is not our fault that everyone saw us as bad guys! Our black uniforms with skulls and crossbones, our medieval style book burnings, our master race talk, our public thug violence, our concentration camps in plain sight had nothing to do with it!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn't allowed us to take over more countries without a fight! Only in 1936 and 1938 and 1939 and it was not enough! We needed more free stuff!
    It is not our fault that our enemies didn't allowed themselves to be rolled over! Only in 1940 and in 1941, and it was not enough! We needed more lucky breaks!
    It is not our fault that our intelligence was unable to penetrate the enemy, that all our agents were turned and all our uncrackable codes were cracked!
    It is not our fault that we managed our economy so well that, with whole contintental Europe, we were unable to outproduce even the remnant of USSR!
    It is not our fault we we wasted our scarce resources on pointless wonder weapons!
    It is not our fault we continued to fight to the hopeless end to ensure maximal possible death toll and destruction of our country!

    Waah! We were betrayed! Waah! Waah! Waah!

    And, 80 years after the war, normal Neo-Nazi understanding of the war looks like this:

    https://twitter.com/RoyalistW/status/1293335749006364672

    Hitler is a “failure” in the same way the USSR was
     
    Yes, it is the same thing, only worse. Soviet Union won the greatest war in history, and then its own intellectual and managerial elite sold it for blue jeans, coca cola and chewing gum.
    And neo-Soviets are even less able than neo-Nazis to think what went wrong.
    Their analysis usually looks like: "Waah, the Jews treacherously killed Stalin! Waah, Gorbachev and Yakovlev were CIA agents! Everything was fine until we were betrayed! Waah!"

    This is why both the swastika and hammer and sickle vawing crowd are nothing than LARPing clowns, good for nothing than easy laugh.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Kent Nationalist

    It is not our fault that everyone saw us as bad guys!

    They didn’t, many prominent people (e.g. Lloyd-George) were impressed with Hitler and the Nazis initially.

    Our black uniforms with skulls and crossbones

    It’s a Prussian cavalry symbol

    our medieval style book burnings

    You think people opposed burning tranny books?

    our master race talk

    This was very widespread among English and American intellectuals

    our public thug violence

    The violence was started by Communists, as it was later in Britain and still is today. Hitler restrained violence against Jews.

    our concentration camps in plain sight

    America interned the Japanese, Britain deported German/Austrian citizens (including Jews) to Australia

    It is not our fault that our enemies didn’t allowed us to take over more countries without a fight! Only in 1936 and 1938 and 1939 and it was not enough!

    Up until the annexation of Czechia, these were taking over ethnic German areas which had been separated from Germany by force.

    It is not our fault that our enemies didn’t allowed themselves to be rolled over! Only in 1940 and in 1941, and it was not enough! We needed more lucky breaks!

    ? Nothing ‘lucky’ about the conquest of France. Hitler personally selected the brilliant Sichelschnitt plan over the conventional plan of the General Staff.

    It is not our fault that we managed our economy so well that, with whole contintental Europe, we were unable to outproduce even the remnant of USSR!

    You are right that the German economy might have been more efficiently managed. But it wasn’t ‘the whole of Europe’ since only in the final years of the war, were the resources of conquered countries completely mobilised. Germans enjoyed a good standard of living in the opening years in the war. The USSR was being supplied with vast amounts of industrial supplies (e.g. trucks, trains) by America and Britain and so could concentrate all of its efforts on war production.

    It is not our fault we we wasted our scarce resources on pointless wonder weapons!

    The development of such weapons took place far too late to impact the outcome of the war.

    It is not our fault we continued to fight to the hopeless end to ensure maximal possible death toll and destruction of our country!

    At the time, Jews in the US were publishing books and plotting in the government to destroy Germany after they had won.

    Far more stupid mistakes were made by the Allies and the USSR, nevertheless they won (just) because of their superior resources and positions.

  57. @Ano4
    @Europe Europa

    Is it your picture below?

    https://cache.pressmailing.net/thumbnail/story_hires/56b49af9-b9ff-4930-b229-8ceb9172ed3e/Brexit_People_s_Vote_60741471.jpg.jpg

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    Formidable babe. Major fighting force. Can exhaust to death at least two men in bed.

    • Agree: Ano4
  58. @JL
    @Mr. Hack

    First of all, the North Caucasus are in European Russia. Secondly, this poll was from over 15 years ago, fresh off the second Chechen war and a wave of terrorist attacks in Moscow and other cities.

    Ideally, yes, the DICh folks should be removed back to their homelands, and a great big beautiful wall built sealing them off from the rest of Russia. Unfortunately, for the moment, this is probably an unrealistic option considering that they are citizens of Russia, afforded the same rights as all other citizens. Sending the non-citizens of Central Asia and the South Caucasus back to their own countries would be more more viable.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    I guess that I’m easily fooled, but then again why would Karlin use a clip from 15 years ago?

  59. @AnonFromTN
    @Curmudgeon


    There is no question that Hitler and the NSDAP saw the USSR as its greatest danger.
     
    Is that why Germany occupied Czechoslovakia, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France? Czechoslovakia and Poland were at least in the same direction as the USSR, but the other countries weren’t.

    Replies: @Curmudgeon

    FFS man, stop reading the (((official))) narrative.
    Poland “occupied” Czechoslovakia before Germany did. The part Germany “occupied” had been German for hundreds of years before the Treaty of Versailles, contrary to the assurances of the Armistice and International Law, broke up Germany, Austro-Hungary, and the Turkish/Ottoman Empire. The part “occupied” by Germany had held a plebiscite in favour of rejoining Germany. So much for self determination.

    [MORE]

    Post Armistice, Poland invaded and occupied several parts of Germany, which again, contrary to the assurances of the Armistice and International Law, were given to Poland under the Treaty. Danzig, which was part of Germany that was 95+% German was put under a League of Nations mandate. Poland did not recognize the mandate and claimed Danzig. During the 1920s and up to the NSDAP election, there was extensive ethnic cleansing of Germans from Poland’s “new” territories. Germany then went to Polish leader Piłsudski, recognized a number of former German territories, such as Upper Silesia as Polish, and signed a non aggression pact. The issue was less about disputed West Prussia, which had a greatly reduced German population, than Danzig due to the ethnic cleansing. Several proposals were exchanged to settle the matter, most proposed plebiscites. Piłsudski was replaced by Rydz-Śmigły, who ignored Piłsudski’s advice to settle peacefully. After Piłsudski died, Rydz-Śmigły re-started the ethnic cleansing in West Prussia, and was again claiming Danzig, which had voted overwhelmingly to re-join Germany. Germany offered to settle the matter of West Prussia in the similar terms proposed by Piłsudski. Backed by a French-British guarantee, Poland refused to even look at the offer and ordered the Polish Armed Forces to mobilize for attack on Germany. That caused the German invasion of Poland.

    Neutral Norway was invaded, because the British were mining Norwegian harbours attempting to prevent iron ore shipments to Germany. Britain had a plan to invade Norway, discovered by the Germans. The British plan was held up by 2 days of bad weather which enabled the Germans to stop the British invasion. Denmark was invaded to get to Norway.

    Belgium and the Netherlands declared neutrality. Both were allowing British reconnaissance flights over and from their territories. They did not protest the British bombers flying over their territory to bomb Germany. Belgium was actively working with France and was moving troops to the German border.

    Luxembourg was invaded because of where it is to get to Belgium.

    Now, on France, you are exposing yourself completely. Germany and the Slovak Republic declared war on Poland Sept 1/39. France, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Transjordan, Morrocco, and Tunisia declared war on Germany Sept 3/39. France invaded Germany on Sept 7/39 but was pushed out by the end of September. Germany sued for peace, France refused. British troops had landed in unoccupied France and together with French forces were mobilizing to attack Germany. Germany invaded the Western half of France, defeated both the French and British, sealed the coast, and offered peace to both countries on the basis of pre-war borders for all countries. Britain and France refused. Germany remained in the Western half of France to seal the coast, and the rest of France was left to do pretty much what it wanted to do under the “Vichy Regime”. Germany left the French Navy to the Vichy government, but Churchill decided to sink the fleet, causing the deaths of over 1200 French sailors.

    Got it?

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    @Curmudgeon

    An interesting piece of alternative history.

    I don’t have time to debunk every inaccuracy (or deliberate lie?) in your response, so I limit myself to one: Sudetenland was German, the rest of Czechia was not. Hitler occupied it all, nonetheless.

    Wonder why you skipped Denmark, though, I am sure there must be equally lame excuse for that, as well.

  60. @AnonFromTN
    @Curmudgeon


    Of course it did. The worst tragedy ever to befall mankind was invented, I mean discovered in 1945. Anything else, anywhere on the planet, before that is irrelevant.
     
    Wow, that's an innovative history. About as credible as BLM narrative. Let me get it straight: so Egyptian pyramids, Chinese Han dynasty, Babylon, Greek and Roman cities all appeared after 1945? Homer, Shakespeare, Goethe, Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, Bach, Vivaldi, Albinoni, Mozart, Beethoven, and others wrote everything they did after 1945? No wonder Beethoven is black on the planet all of this happened. Most of us live on a different planet, though.

    Replies: @Kent Nationalist, @Curmudgeon

    Apparently, you do not understand sarcasm.

  61. @Europe Europa
    @Exile


    Russian nationalism is more about opposing the globalist assault on Russia, particularly from America and the NATO nations, and about Orthodoxy > Islam, than it is about race. And there is no purchase for Hitlerian revisionism in Russia in the foreseeable future.
     
    I would say British nationalism is similar to a large extent. Most British nationalists don't seem to mind black immigrants from former British colonies, because they speak English, are basically Church of England in religion and their basic cultural traits are very similar to working class British culture, as in going to the pub, the type of food they eat, being into cricket, football, etc.

    In fact even Hindu, Sikh and HK Chinese immigrants are not minded either, because they are perceived to be English speaking and also as having a lot of British cultural traits inherited as a result of being a former colony.

    British nationalists are most likely to strongly oppose mass immigration seen as the most culturally alien, which would be Muslim immigration and to a lesser extent even Polish immigration.

    Most prominent British nationalists signal strongly against Islamisation, but basically never mention race.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Exile

    That doesn’t jibe with what I’ve seen & heard of British White nationalists – maybe describes the UKIP cuck crowd. There’s a legitimate White Nationalist movement in Britain with Patriotic Alternative and some other associated groups and they’re quite race-aware. And they’re not even that sympathetic to Tommy Robinson’s Zio-cucked anti-jihad crew or other groups that try to downplay race for better “optics.”

    Unlike Russians in Russia, British Whites are definitely under attack for being White in Britain. Apple-Orange as far as their actual situations, though you’ll find cucked nationalist movements in every NATO country and most of Eastern Europe now.

  62. Is this degenerate your cousin or something? There is certainly a resemblance. Even the character seems to match. No wonder you are bawling here.

  63. @Curmudgeon
    @AnonFromTN

    FFS man, stop reading the (((official))) narrative.
    Poland "occupied" Czechoslovakia before Germany did. The part Germany "occupied" had been German for hundreds of years before the Treaty of Versailles, contrary to the assurances of the Armistice and International Law, broke up Germany, Austro-Hungary, and the Turkish/Ottoman Empire. The part "occupied" by Germany had held a plebiscite in favour of rejoining Germany. So much for self determination.



    Post Armistice, Poland invaded and occupied several parts of Germany, which again, contrary to the assurances of the Armistice and International Law, were given to Poland under the Treaty. Danzig, which was part of Germany that was 95+% German was put under a League of Nations mandate. Poland did not recognize the mandate and claimed Danzig. During the 1920s and up to the NSDAP election, there was extensive ethnic cleansing of Germans from Poland's "new" territories. Germany then went to Polish leader Piłsudski, recognized a number of former German territories, such as Upper Silesia as Polish, and signed a non aggression pact. The issue was less about disputed West Prussia, which had a greatly reduced German population, than Danzig due to the ethnic cleansing. Several proposals were exchanged to settle the matter, most proposed plebiscites. Piłsudski was replaced by Rydz-Śmigły, who ignored Piłsudski's advice to settle peacefully. After Piłsudski died, Rydz-Śmigły re-started the ethnic cleansing in West Prussia, and was again claiming Danzig, which had voted overwhelmingly to re-join Germany. Germany offered to settle the matter of West Prussia in the similar terms proposed by Piłsudski. Backed by a French-British guarantee, Poland refused to even look at the offer and ordered the Polish Armed Forces to mobilize for attack on Germany. That caused the German invasion of Poland.

    Neutral Norway was invaded, because the British were mining Norwegian harbours attempting to prevent iron ore shipments to Germany. Britain had a plan to invade Norway, discovered by the Germans. The British plan was held up by 2 days of bad weather which enabled the Germans to stop the British invasion. Denmark was invaded to get to Norway.

    Belgium and the Netherlands declared neutrality. Both were allowing British reconnaissance flights over and from their territories. They did not protest the British bombers flying over their territory to bomb Germany. Belgium was actively working with France and was moving troops to the German border.

    Luxembourg was invaded because of where it is to get to Belgium.

    Now, on France, you are exposing yourself completely. Germany and the Slovak Republic declared war on Poland Sept 1/39. France, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Transjordan, Morrocco, and Tunisia declared war on Germany Sept 3/39. France invaded Germany on Sept 7/39 but was pushed out by the end of September. Germany sued for peace, France refused. British troops had landed in unoccupied France and together with French forces were mobilizing to attack Germany. Germany invaded the Western half of France, defeated both the French and British, sealed the coast, and offered peace to both countries on the basis of pre-war borders for all countries. Britain and France refused. Germany remained in the Western half of France to seal the coast, and the rest of France was left to do pretty much what it wanted to do under the "Vichy Regime". Germany left the French Navy to the Vichy government, but Churchill decided to sink the fleet, causing the deaths of over 1200 French sailors.

    Got it?

    Replies: @AnonFromTN

    An interesting piece of alternative history.

    I don’t have time to debunk every inaccuracy (or deliberate lie?) in your response, so I limit myself to one: Sudetenland was German, the rest of Czechia was not. Hitler occupied it all, nonetheless.

    Wonder why you skipped Denmark, though, I am sure there must be equally lame excuse for that, as well.

  64. Last digression on the skinhead question.

    All of us were once normies, before we were “red pilled”. We were “red pilled” by various combinations of personal experience, facts, logic and reason.

    How many of us were enlightened by skinheads? How many of us saw skinheads marching and sieg heiling on the streets and thought: “These guys are so awesome! I want to be like them!”?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @another anon

    Average IQ here is high, so probably none or almost none.

    But the vast majority of people do not get "redpilled" by reading Charles Murray and Arthur Jensen. Granted, their quality might be lower, but there's many more of them, and some of them will be hardcore bruisers.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    , @Philip Owen
    @another anon

    As an apprentice, I dressed as a skinhead, technically a suedehead, if only for self preservation. This was not a the time a racist symbol. I lived in the West Midlands near Coventry where skinheads originated. The clubs in Coventry were known for "Two Tone" music, Reggae and Ska. I was more Mott the Hoople (intellectual skinheads) and Prog Rock musically. Skinheads were violent. This was the origin of British football hooliganism. According to legend, Coventry City football club played a match against the London club Millwall. The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing. The London gangs were racist and violent beyond football and each other. Even so, not yet Nazis. That was years later.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  65. Last digression about gaining hearts and minds, about being the change in the world.

    Imagine you live in Europe in 1720, three centuries ago. All society and culture is based on Christianity, everyone is Christian, everyone belongs to the church.

    Not you. You hate Christianity, you hate the Church and you want to destroy them.

    What is to be done? There are two ways.

    Way one: You paint yourself black and red, decorate yourself with pentagrams and other demonic symbols, dress in goat skin, put big goat horns on your head and go to the nearest cathedral.
    Once there, you shit on the main altar and yell loudly: THERE IS NO GOD!

    Way two:
    You hang out in the coffee houses where congregate well read and educated people and in prestigious salons where congregate well born noble people. You make fun of the corruption, incompetence and most risible superstitions of the church and make everyone laugh.
    Once people are friendly inclined to criticism of the church, you proceed to use facts, logic and reason to demolish the teachings of the church one by one, till nothing remains.

    What way would be more effective? I have no idea, can you help me?

    • Agree: Ano4
    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @another anon

    Goat headed cultists sound awesome. Darklands should have had them.

  66. @another anon
    Last digression on the skinhead question.

    All of us were once normies, before we were "red pilled". We were "red pilled" by various combinations of personal experience, facts, logic and reason.

    How many of us were enlightened by skinheads? How many of us saw skinheads marching and sieg heiling on the streets and thought: "These guys are so awesome! I want to be like them!"?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Philip Owen

    Average IQ here is high, so probably none or almost none.

    But the vast majority of people do not get “redpilled” by reading Charles Murray and Arthur Jensen. Granted, their quality might be lower, but there’s many more of them, and some of them will be hardcore bruisers.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "Red pill" refers to the Wachowski "sisters" somewhat trashy film the Matrix, when Neo is told that the human race is actually harvested in pods by alien insect and that everything we know is a simulated reality created by the alien insect, and that he is not an ordinary office worker he thinks he is, but actually the saviour of the world and the only hope of man to escape.

    I'm not sure how this can be relevant to discussion about suicide or potential assassination of neonazi skinheads (that ironically look like Tupac) unless you want to claim that they are some kind of gnostic Christ figure that can hack into the Matrix to save mankind from harvesting in pods? By the way what do you think of the arrest of Andrey Pyzh (https://www.youtube.com/user/urbanturizm/videos)? Simple darwin award winner, or it seems like some paranoid persecution of him by the authorities?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

  67. @another anon
    Last digression about gaining hearts and minds, about being the change in the world.

    Imagine you live in Europe in 1720, three centuries ago. All society and culture is based on Christianity, everyone is Christian, everyone belongs to the church.

    Not you. You hate Christianity, you hate the Church and you want to destroy them.

    What is to be done? There are two ways.

    Way one: You paint yourself black and red, decorate yourself with pentagrams and other demonic symbols, dress in goat skin, put big goat horns on your head and go to the nearest cathedral.
    Once there, you shit on the main altar and yell loudly: THERE IS NO GOD!

    Way two:
    You hang out in the coffee houses where congregate well read and educated people and in prestigious salons where congregate well born noble people. You make fun of the corruption, incompetence and most risible superstitions of the church and make everyone laugh.
    Once people are friendly inclined to criticism of the church, you proceed to use facts, logic and reason to demolish the teachings of the church one by one, till nothing remains.

    What way would be more effective? I have no idea, can you help me?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    Goat headed cultists sound awesome. Darklands should have had them.

  68. The way Tesak spent his last months and died becomes clearer.

    He was transferred several times from prison to prison. During transfers he was put into transit cells alone. While being held alone, he was pressured (beaten up and tortured) by FSB people sent from Moscow.

    The “pressure ” was enough for Tesak to being sent to hospital several times. He complained to his lawyer about the torture and told: “this is the worst hell I’ve been through in all my life “. The FSB team wanted Tesak to accept pleading guilty for several neo-Nazi motivated murders that occurred in the 00ies.

    The most notable of these was the videotaped “Execution of a Dag and a Tadjik “. This video has a lot in common with Tesak’s Format 18 videos several of which were actually staged. Interestingly enough, the police has first also declared “the Execution of a Dag and a Tadjik” as a staged prank, only to find out that this gruesome video was absolutely true. Despite coming to the conclusion that the murder of the Dagestani and Tadjik were unquestionably real and finding the place where the video has probably been filmed, the police did not recover the bodies of the two victims.

    It seems that under duress Tesak not only admitted that he was one of the authors of that video and provided the information leading to finding the two bodies, but he also revealed that he and his companions killed at least two other victims whose bodies have also been found. This meant Tesak would spend the rest of his life in prison.

    The FSB team was probably happy with the results, but Tesak intended to renege on his acceptance of guilt and argue that it is null and void because obtained under duress. He told to his lawyer that he will protest the torture once he is transferred back to Moscow to be re-judged. On his way to Moscow, Tesak was transferred in a prison controlled by a Chechen criminal gang.

    Probably someone said to the gentle Caucasian lads that the newly arrived prisoner is a Nazi, an enemy of Churkis and a murderer of their fellow co-religionists. Someone probably also told the kind mountain-dwellers that this Nazi was fair game. When the infidel was sleeping, the avengers in the path of Allah quietly entered the cell, which door was opened by someone well intended. Then the noble strugglers in the way of God strangulated the sleeping kafir enough to make him lose his consciousness and cut his veins and left him bleed to death. And Allah is the best of planners.

    An interesting detail: Tesak was bled dry roughly a week before the beginning of the Jewish New Year and roughly at the same time when Navalny (whom Tesak despised) was announced as coming back from the dead. Navalny was of course the person responsible for Tesak’s first arrest which occurred after Tesak and his friends terrorized Moscow’s golden (mostly Jewish) liberal bourgeoisie youth by interrupting a liberal opposition debate held by Navalny in an upscale Moscow’s nightclub.

    Life is so full of coincidences…

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ano4

    I haven't been following the case actively, but his last letter to his girlfriend - if authentic, but surely there are samples of his handwriting for experts to compare - suggests the suicide was intentional, as it was preferable for him to life in prison for murder: https://baza.io/posts/6d3d1f32-68f7-4bd7-a209-41647cc2adb6


    ... and provided the information leading to finding the two bodies, but he also revealed that he and his companions killed at least two other victims whose bodies have also been found.
     
    This is interesting and something I haven't encountered. Could you give me a link please? I haven't searched far and wide, but can't find this detail in the main news stories.

    Replies: @Ano4

  69. I don’t get Russian Nazis at all. It’s like there was a far right gang of Irish Cromwellians.

    • LOL: EldnahYm
    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Eugene Norman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Fascist_Party

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_%22RONA%22_(1st_Russian)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Liberation_of_the_Peoples_of_Russia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XV_SS_Cossack_Cavalry_Corps

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiwi_(volunteer)

    World War II was a complex affair.

    Did you know there were also Nazi fellow travelers among the Zionist Jewish settlers in British Palestine?

    🙂

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    , @EldnahYm
    @Eugene Norman

    The image of a far right Irish Cromwellian gang makes me chuckle.

    , @Philip Owen
    @Eugene Norman

    The UDF.

    Replies: @Eugene Norman

  70. @Eugene Norman
    I don’t get Russian Nazis at all. It’s like there was a far right gang of Irish Cromwellians.

    Replies: @Ano4, @EldnahYm, @Philip Owen

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Ano4

    My Latin Master, the Senior British Sargeant in the Palestine Police in Ramallah regularly arrested members of the Stern gang, including at one point Menachem Begin. A few days later, a phone call via London would order their release.

    Replies: @Ano4

  71. @Anatoly Karlin
    @another anon

    Average IQ here is high, so probably none or almost none.

    But the vast majority of people do not get "redpilled" by reading Charles Murray and Arthur Jensen. Granted, their quality might be lower, but there's many more of them, and some of them will be hardcore bruisers.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    “Red pill” refers to the Wachowski “sisters” somewhat trashy film the Matrix, when Neo is told that the human race is actually harvested in pods by alien insect and that everything we know is a simulated reality created by the alien insect, and that he is not an ordinary office worker he thinks he is, but actually the saviour of the world and the only hope of man to escape.

    I’m not sure how this can be relevant to discussion about suicide or potential assassination of neonazi skinheads (that ironically look like Tupac) unless you want to claim that they are some kind of gnostic Christ figure that can hack into the Matrix to save mankind from harvesting in pods? By the way what do you think of the arrest of Andrey Pyzh (https://www.youtube.com/user/urbanturizm/videos)? Simple darwin award winner, or it seems like some paranoid persecution of him by the authorities?

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red%20pill

    Thus is relevant to its modern cultural usage.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  72. @Dmitry
    @Anatoly Karlin

    "Red pill" refers to the Wachowski "sisters" somewhat trashy film the Matrix, when Neo is told that the human race is actually harvested in pods by alien insect and that everything we know is a simulated reality created by the alien insect, and that he is not an ordinary office worker he thinks he is, but actually the saviour of the world and the only hope of man to escape.

    I'm not sure how this can be relevant to discussion about suicide or potential assassination of neonazi skinheads (that ironically look like Tupac) unless you want to claim that they are some kind of gnostic Christ figure that can hack into the Matrix to save mankind from harvesting in pods? By the way what do you think of the arrest of Andrey Pyzh (https://www.youtube.com/user/urbanturizm/videos)? Simple darwin award winner, or it seems like some paranoid persecution of him by the authorities?

    Replies: @Daniel Chieh

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red%20pill

    Thus is relevant to its modern cultural usage.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Daniel Chieh

    Wachowski sisters were clever* to combine peoples' messiah fantasies ("you are secretly the saviour of the universe"), with a gnostic perspective about being harvested by alien insects, and transform that combination into an excuse for a kung fu/shooting film.

    But as a culture reference? Better Plato's Cave, perhaps quotes from Baudelaire and Dante - than to be reminded about dialogues performed by Keanu Reeves.

    *In 'Matrix', better we don't say anything about 'Jupiter Ascending'.

  73. @Ano4
    @Exile

    There were lots of Skinheads in 1995 - 2010 Moscow. And they were ultraviolent even by Skinhead and football Hooligan standards. Between the disgruntled violent ethnic Russian youths and the Caucasus diaspora young thugs, Moscow was a very dangerous place to live in these days. People got killed quite often. Add to this the Russian antifa and you get the picture of ethnic and political motivated violence there in early 2000s.

    The majority of Moscow Skins were into it not for ideology, but just because they needed to vent their hatred of the post-Perestroika society and its many ills. Of course there were exceptions (BORN guys come to mind).

    War in Eastern Ukraine was actually good to drain the remnants of this violent subculture in Russia, some of these people went to fight alongside the Ukrainian ultranationalists (Azov battalion etc) others went to fight among the Donbass pro-Russian militias. A lot of them got killed and maimed on both sides of the conflict. Others just grew out of it all and mellowed down. The whole ultranationalist thing in Russia is over. In general, post-Perestroika violence is largely a thing of the past.

    Replies: @Exile, @Dmitry

    Football hooligan subculture are a lot more common than skinheads in Russia. I don’t know any, but my superficial impression that they are more interested in spending money on expensive British and Italian clothes (Fred Perry, Stone Island, Burberry, Napapijri), than political ideology. They are quite perfect model of consumers, supporting with a subculture of violence between themselves, fashion brand loyalties to expensive products that people of their income would not normally buy.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    It was not the case in the late 90ies - early 00ies Moscow. These Skinhead youths were mostly poor. They saw Churki, Hachi and African students having more money and respect than they Russians had in their own land. They resented it and acted out violently. They also strongly resented Jewish takeover of Yeltsin's Russia, each time that these half-fed kids opened up the TV they saw the faces of Berezovsky, Gussinsky and Abramovich smiling smugly, so they truly lusted to smash a couple of Jewish faces and crush a couple of Jewish skulls. That's how they become attracted to neo-Nazism, through humiliation and a feeling of injustice. Same as in 1930 ies Germany.

    Replies: @Dmitry

  74. @Daniel Chieh
    @Dmitry

    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red%20pill

    Thus is relevant to its modern cultural usage.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    Wachowski sisters were clever* to combine peoples’ messiah fantasies (“you are secretly the saviour of the universe”), with a gnostic perspective about being harvested by alien insects, and transform that combination into an excuse for a kung fu/shooting film.

    But as a culture reference? Better Plato’s Cave, perhaps quotes from Baudelaire and Dante – than to be reminded about dialogues performed by Keanu Reeves.

    *In ‘Matrix’, better we don’t say anything about ‘Jupiter Ascending’.

  75. @Ano4
    The way Tesak spent his last months and died becomes clearer.

    He was transferred several times from prison to prison. During transfers he was put into transit cells alone. While being held alone, he was pressured (beaten up and tortured) by FSB people sent from Moscow.

    The "pressure " was enough for Tesak to being sent to hospital several times. He complained to his lawyer about the torture and told: "this is the worst hell I've been through in all my life ". The FSB team wanted Tesak to accept pleading guilty for several neo-Nazi motivated murders that occurred in the 00ies.

    The most notable of these was the videotaped "Execution of a Dag and a Tadjik ". This video has a lot in common with Tesak's Format 18 videos several of which were actually staged. Interestingly enough, the police has first also declared "the Execution of a Dag and a Tadjik" as a staged prank, only to find out that this gruesome video was absolutely true. Despite coming to the conclusion that the murder of the Dagestani and Tadjik were unquestionably real and finding the place where the video has probably been filmed, the police did not recover the bodies of the two victims.

    It seems that under duress Tesak not only admitted that he was one of the authors of that video and provided the information leading to finding the two bodies, but he also revealed that he and his companions killed at least two other victims whose bodies have also been found. This meant Tesak would spend the rest of his life in prison.

    The FSB team was probably happy with the results, but Tesak intended to renege on his acceptance of guilt and argue that it is null and void because obtained under duress. He told to his lawyer that he will protest the torture once he is transferred back to Moscow to be re-judged. On his way to Moscow, Tesak was transferred in a prison controlled by a Chechen criminal gang.

    Probably someone said to the gentle Caucasian lads that the newly arrived prisoner is a Nazi, an enemy of Churkis and a murderer of their fellow co-religionists. Someone probably also told the kind mountain-dwellers that this Nazi was fair game. When the infidel was sleeping, the avengers in the path of Allah quietly entered the cell, which door was opened by someone well intended. Then the noble strugglers in the way of God strangulated the sleeping kafir enough to make him lose his consciousness and cut his veins and left him bleed to death. And Allah is the best of planners.

    An interesting detail: Tesak was bled dry roughly a week before the beginning of the Jewish New Year and roughly at the same time when Navalny (whom Tesak despised) was announced as coming back from the dead. Navalny was of course the person responsible for Tesak's first arrest which occurred after Tesak and his friends terrorized Moscow's golden (mostly Jewish) liberal bourgeoisie youth by interrupting a liberal opposition debate held by Navalny in an upscale Moscow's nightclub.

    Life is so full of coincidences...

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I haven’t been following the case actively, but his last letter to his girlfriend – if authentic, but surely there are samples of his handwriting for experts to compare – suggests the suicide was intentional, as it was preferable for him to life in prison for murder: https://baza.io/posts/6d3d1f32-68f7-4bd7-a209-41647cc2adb6

    … and provided the information leading to finding the two bodies, but he also revealed that he and his companions killed at least two other victims whose bodies have also been found.

    This is interesting and something I haven’t encountered. Could you give me a link please? I haven’t searched far and wide, but can’t find this detail in the main news stories.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Anatoly Karlin

    https://www.newsru.com/russia/17sep2020/tesak.html

    The last letter to a girlfriend is written in a weird manner: уважаемая администрация... Do you really see Tesak writing something like that? Also he used cotton ear-plugs to sleep and they were still in his ears when he died. Finally he was strangulated first and got his neck veins cut after, this is too complicated for a suicide.

  76. @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    Football hooligan subculture are a lot more common than skinheads in Russia. I don't know any, but my superficial impression that they are more interested in spending money on expensive British and Italian clothes (Fred Perry, Stone Island, Burberry, Napapijri), than political ideology. They are quite perfect model of consumers, supporting with a subculture of violence between themselves, fashion brand loyalties to expensive products that people of their income would not normally buy.

    Replies: @Ano4

    It was not the case in the late 90ies – early 00ies Moscow. These Skinhead youths were mostly poor. They saw Churki, Hachi and African students having more money and respect than they Russians had in their own land. They resented it and acted out violently. They also strongly resented Jewish takeover of Yeltsin’s Russia, each time that these half-fed kids opened up the TV they saw the faces of Berezovsky, Gussinsky and Abramovich smiling smugly, so they truly lusted to smash a couple of Jewish faces and crush a couple of Jewish skulls. That’s how they become attracted to neo-Nazism, through humiliation and a feeling of injustice. Same as in 1930 ies Germany.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    I was talking there offtopic about fashion of football fans and offniks, not nationalist skinheads. Football fans is at least a real subculture in Russia (millions people are a bit influenced), while skinheads are very marginal and uncommon (I wonder if it might be only some few thousands of people in the country).

    About 15 years ago, nationalist skinheads shocked a generation of teenagers on the internet with uploading videos of killing or beating immigrants, but that also brought police to them. They were some of darwin award winners from the point of view of criminal law - on the other hand, unlike football hooligans, at least they didn't give all their money on expensive British clothes brands.


    These Skinhead youths were mostly poor.
     
    Some of the nationalist skinheads seemed influenced from American culture, particularly a film called "American History X" which is considered very cool on the internet when I was young, and some which were styled on the kind of America "civil militia" culture (with names like "WHITEPRIDE88"), and some just ordinary gopniks. (Tesak of course looks he self-styled his appearance on Tupac Shakur).

    It's funny how skinheads came to Russia 20-30 years after they were created in England. Tupac was fashionable in Russia about 10-15 years after he was fashionable in America, and became unfashionable only about 10 years ago.


    -


    Cultural convergence of Russia to the West, is of course arriving faster nowadays with the internet connections. Look at how English women dance in 1980s. In Russia, women stopped dancing like this at around 2003.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUdwb0Cpn4Y

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay in fashions in things like the way people dance, from the West to Russia.

    Whereas current trends like twerking and kpop dancing is fashionable in Russia already within a few years of the West.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Jayce

  77. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Ano4

    I haven't been following the case actively, but his last letter to his girlfriend - if authentic, but surely there are samples of his handwriting for experts to compare - suggests the suicide was intentional, as it was preferable for him to life in prison for murder: https://baza.io/posts/6d3d1f32-68f7-4bd7-a209-41647cc2adb6


    ... and provided the information leading to finding the two bodies, but he also revealed that he and his companions killed at least two other victims whose bodies have also been found.
     
    This is interesting and something I haven't encountered. Could you give me a link please? I haven't searched far and wide, but can't find this detail in the main news stories.

    Replies: @Ano4

    https://www.newsru.com/russia/17sep2020/tesak.html

    The last letter to a girlfriend is written in a weird manner: уважаемая администрация… Do you really see Tesak writing something like that? Also he used cotton ear-plugs to sleep and they were still in his ears when he died. Finally he was strangulated first and got his neck veins cut after, this is too complicated for a suicide.

  78. @Eugene Norman
    I don’t get Russian Nazis at all. It’s like there was a far right gang of Irish Cromwellians.

    Replies: @Ano4, @EldnahYm, @Philip Owen

    The image of a far right Irish Cromwellian gang makes me chuckle.

  79. @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    It was not the case in the late 90ies - early 00ies Moscow. These Skinhead youths were mostly poor. They saw Churki, Hachi and African students having more money and respect than they Russians had in their own land. They resented it and acted out violently. They also strongly resented Jewish takeover of Yeltsin's Russia, each time that these half-fed kids opened up the TV they saw the faces of Berezovsky, Gussinsky and Abramovich smiling smugly, so they truly lusted to smash a couple of Jewish faces and crush a couple of Jewish skulls. That's how they become attracted to neo-Nazism, through humiliation and a feeling of injustice. Same as in 1930 ies Germany.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I was talking there offtopic about fashion of football fans and offniks, not nationalist skinheads. Football fans is at least a real subculture in Russia (millions people are a bit influenced), while skinheads are very marginal and uncommon (I wonder if it might be only some few thousands of people in the country).

    About 15 years ago, nationalist skinheads shocked a generation of teenagers on the internet with uploading videos of killing or beating immigrants, but that also brought police to them. They were some of darwin award winners from the point of view of criminal law – on the other hand, unlike football hooligans, at least they didn’t give all their money on expensive British clothes brands.

    These Skinhead youths were mostly poor.

    Some of the nationalist skinheads seemed influenced from American culture, particularly a film called “American History X” which is considered very cool on the internet when I was young, and some which were styled on the kind of America “civil militia” culture (with names like “WHITEPRIDE88”), and some just ordinary gopniks. (Tesak of course looks he self-styled his appearance on Tupac Shakur).

    It’s funny how skinheads came to Russia 20-30 years after they were created in England. Tupac was fashionable in Russia about 10-15 years after he was fashionable in America, and became unfashionable only about 10 years ago.

    Cultural convergence of Russia to the West, is of course arriving faster nowadays with the internet connections. Look at how English women dance in 1980s. In Russia, women stopped dancing like this at around 2003.

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay in fashions in things like the way people dance, from the West to Russia.

    Whereas current trends like twerking and kpop dancing is fashionable in Russia already within a few years of the West.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    In 1971 England was already advanced into skinheads (although they seem to look more like hipsters) and football hooligans. These ones at 2:31 - offniks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xavmLVkNRSs

    Replies: @Ano4

    , @Jayce
    @Dmitry

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay

    Even now one thing that stands out is that a lot of younger Russians adore nu-metal. When I was in St Petersburg last year I remember telling friends back home that Russia had been invaded and occupied by the forces of 7th grade.

    https://i.imgur.com/KMLkQZG.jpg

    Replies: @Dmitry

  80. @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    I was talking there offtopic about fashion of football fans and offniks, not nationalist skinheads. Football fans is at least a real subculture in Russia (millions people are a bit influenced), while skinheads are very marginal and uncommon (I wonder if it might be only some few thousands of people in the country).

    About 15 years ago, nationalist skinheads shocked a generation of teenagers on the internet with uploading videos of killing or beating immigrants, but that also brought police to them. They were some of darwin award winners from the point of view of criminal law - on the other hand, unlike football hooligans, at least they didn't give all their money on expensive British clothes brands.


    These Skinhead youths were mostly poor.
     
    Some of the nationalist skinheads seemed influenced from American culture, particularly a film called "American History X" which is considered very cool on the internet when I was young, and some which were styled on the kind of America "civil militia" culture (with names like "WHITEPRIDE88"), and some just ordinary gopniks. (Tesak of course looks he self-styled his appearance on Tupac Shakur).

    It's funny how skinheads came to Russia 20-30 years after they were created in England. Tupac was fashionable in Russia about 10-15 years after he was fashionable in America, and became unfashionable only about 10 years ago.


    -


    Cultural convergence of Russia to the West, is of course arriving faster nowadays with the internet connections. Look at how English women dance in 1980s. In Russia, women stopped dancing like this at around 2003.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUdwb0Cpn4Y

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay in fashions in things like the way people dance, from the West to Russia.

    Whereas current trends like twerking and kpop dancing is fashionable in Russia already within a few years of the West.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Jayce

    In 1971 England was already advanced into skinheads (although they seem to look more like hipsters) and football hooligans. These ones at 2:31 – offniks.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    This discussion of youth countercultural trends is cool, but it is beside the point.

    What we were discussing here was a specific person (Tesak) who started his young adult life in a specific subculture (Skinheads) and evolved politically towards a specific ideology (neo-Nazi/WN).

    This person was well known and influenced a wide number of Russian extremist youth. He was countercultural and anti-establishment and died in prison most probably killed by some people working with the system that Tesak hated so much.

    Reducing all this to some youth fashion movements is a little bit off note in my humble opinion. But since you seem to like colorful youth subculture aspects of all this sad story, you might find the video below of some interest.

    https://youtu.be/MfjaCx8cuWw

  81. @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    I was talking there offtopic about fashion of football fans and offniks, not nationalist skinheads. Football fans is at least a real subculture in Russia (millions people are a bit influenced), while skinheads are very marginal and uncommon (I wonder if it might be only some few thousands of people in the country).

    About 15 years ago, nationalist skinheads shocked a generation of teenagers on the internet with uploading videos of killing or beating immigrants, but that also brought police to them. They were some of darwin award winners from the point of view of criminal law - on the other hand, unlike football hooligans, at least they didn't give all their money on expensive British clothes brands.


    These Skinhead youths were mostly poor.
     
    Some of the nationalist skinheads seemed influenced from American culture, particularly a film called "American History X" which is considered very cool on the internet when I was young, and some which were styled on the kind of America "civil militia" culture (with names like "WHITEPRIDE88"), and some just ordinary gopniks. (Tesak of course looks he self-styled his appearance on Tupac Shakur).

    It's funny how skinheads came to Russia 20-30 years after they were created in England. Tupac was fashionable in Russia about 10-15 years after he was fashionable in America, and became unfashionable only about 10 years ago.


    -


    Cultural convergence of Russia to the West, is of course arriving faster nowadays with the internet connections. Look at how English women dance in 1980s. In Russia, women stopped dancing like this at around 2003.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUdwb0Cpn4Y

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay in fashions in things like the way people dance, from the West to Russia.

    Whereas current trends like twerking and kpop dancing is fashionable in Russia already within a few years of the West.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Jayce

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay

    Even now one thing that stands out is that a lot of younger Russians adore nu-metal. When I was in St Petersburg last year I remember telling friends back home that Russia had been invaded and occupied by the forces of 7th grade.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Jayce

    I guess it can be also that there is a small core loyal fanbase for these early 2000s bands, which are around 30 years old, and can pay for going to concerts.

  82. @Dmitry
    @Dmitry

    In 1971 England was already advanced into skinheads (although they seem to look more like hipsters) and football hooligans. These ones at 2:31 - offniks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xavmLVkNRSs

    Replies: @Ano4

    This discussion of youth countercultural trends is cool, but it is beside the point.

    What we were discussing here was a specific person (Tesak) who started his young adult life in a specific subculture (Skinheads) and evolved politically towards a specific ideology (neo-Nazi/WN).

    This person was well known and influenced a wide number of Russian extremist youth. He was countercultural and anti-establishment and died in prison most probably killed by some people working with the system that Tesak hated so much.

    Reducing all this to some youth fashion movements is a little bit off note in my humble opinion. But since you seem to like colorful youth subculture aspects of all this sad story, you might find the video below of some interest.

  83. @another anon
    Last digression on the skinhead question.

    All of us were once normies, before we were "red pilled". We were "red pilled" by various combinations of personal experience, facts, logic and reason.

    How many of us were enlightened by skinheads? How many of us saw skinheads marching and sieg heiling on the streets and thought: "These guys are so awesome! I want to be like them!"?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Philip Owen

    As an apprentice, I dressed as a skinhead, technically a suedehead, if only for self preservation. This was not a the time a racist symbol. I lived in the West Midlands near Coventry where skinheads originated. The clubs in Coventry were known for “Two Tone” music, Reggae and Ska. I was more Mott the Hoople (intellectual skinheads) and Prog Rock musically. Skinheads were violent. This was the origin of British football hooliganism. According to legend, Coventry City football club played a match against the London club Millwall. The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing. The London gangs were racist and violent beyond football and each other. Even so, not yet Nazis. That was years later.

    • Thanks: Ano4
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    From the video report of 1971 England, it seems like a modern translation would be:

    "Hairies" = hipsters
    "Mods" = ?
    "Rockers" = bikers
    "Skinheads" = football hooligans ("offniks", "ultras", etc - I'm not sure what is the American equivalent)


    The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing.
     
    The funny thing is that Millwall is not a dangerous area of London in the 21st century? It's where the billion dollar office skyscrapers are and they have Church's shoe shop, and luxury housing in this area. Yet all the fashion for dangerous brands like Stone Island and Burberry, is based on the overcoats people wear in fights against Millwall in hooliganploitation films.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbZnLm0oi7A

    Replies: @Ano4, @Philip Owen

  84. @Ano4
    @Eugene Norman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Fascist_Party

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/29th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_%22RONA%22_(1st_Russian)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_the_Liberation_of_the_Peoples_of_Russia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XV_SS_Cossack_Cavalry_Corps

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiwi_(volunteer)

    World War II was a complex affair.

    Did you know there were also Nazi fellow travelers among the Zionist Jewish settlers in British Palestine?

    🙂

    Replies: @Philip Owen

    My Latin Master, the Senior British Sargeant in the Palestine Police in Ramallah regularly arrested members of the Stern gang, including at one point Menachem Begin. A few days later, a phone call via London would order their release.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Philip Owen

    Of course. The bargains have been already made before the war. The territory was to be transferred to Jewish settlers, but UK wanted to keep a good relationship with its Arab client states and so it had to pretend that they tried to prevent the creation of Israel.

    Not sure Begin was a Lehi member though. IIRC he was an ex Bund member sent to Palestine by Trotsky. I think his band was armed by the Soviets.

  85. @Eugene Norman
    I don’t get Russian Nazis at all. It’s like there was a far right gang of Irish Cromwellians.

    Replies: @Ano4, @EldnahYm, @Philip Owen

    The UDF.

    • Replies: @Eugene Norman
    @Philip Owen

    Did I have to specifically say “Irish catholic?” Assume I did.

  86. @Philip Owen
    @Ano4

    My Latin Master, the Senior British Sargeant in the Palestine Police in Ramallah regularly arrested members of the Stern gang, including at one point Menachem Begin. A few days later, a phone call via London would order their release.

    Replies: @Ano4

    Of course. The bargains have been already made before the war. The territory was to be transferred to Jewish settlers, but UK wanted to keep a good relationship with its Arab client states and so it had to pretend that they tried to prevent the creation of Israel.

    Not sure Begin was a Lehi member though. IIRC he was an ex Bund member sent to Palestine by Trotsky. I think his band was armed by the Soviets.

  87. @Jayce
    @Dmitry

    Before the internet, there seemed to be more than a decade of delay

    Even now one thing that stands out is that a lot of younger Russians adore nu-metal. When I was in St Petersburg last year I remember telling friends back home that Russia had been invaded and occupied by the forces of 7th grade.

    https://i.imgur.com/KMLkQZG.jpg

    Replies: @Dmitry

    I guess it can be also that there is a small core loyal fanbase for these early 2000s bands, which are around 30 years old, and can pay for going to concerts.

  88. @Philip Owen
    @another anon

    As an apprentice, I dressed as a skinhead, technically a suedehead, if only for self preservation. This was not a the time a racist symbol. I lived in the West Midlands near Coventry where skinheads originated. The clubs in Coventry were known for "Two Tone" music, Reggae and Ska. I was more Mott the Hoople (intellectual skinheads) and Prog Rock musically. Skinheads were violent. This was the origin of British football hooliganism. According to legend, Coventry City football club played a match against the London club Millwall. The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing. The London gangs were racist and violent beyond football and each other. Even so, not yet Nazis. That was years later.

    Replies: @Dmitry

    From the video report of 1971 England, it seems like a modern translation would be:

    “Hairies” = hipsters
    “Mods” = ?
    “Rockers” = bikers
    “Skinheads” = football hooligans (“offniks”, “ultras”, etc – I’m not sure what is the American equivalent)

    The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing.

    The funny thing is that Millwall is not a dangerous area of London in the 21st century? It’s where the billion dollar office skyscrapers are and they have Church’s shoe shop, and luxury housing in this area. Yet all the fashion for dangerous brands like Stone Island and Burberry, is based on the overcoats people wear in fights against Millwall in hooliganploitation films.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    Dimitri, a serious question: why do you care so much about brands and fashion stuff? Are you into that line of business or is it just that you really think that it is that important?

    I'm asking cause I find it hard to size you man: you clearly come off as a clever and well cultured person, but sometimes your comments seem a bit awkward.

    Don't take it bad, but we're talking life and death of a person who was a hero to some, a villain and a murderer to others and all you have to discuss is freaking Burberry's?

    Человека убили, сам он людей мочил и пиздил пачками. Интересно как он дошёл до жизни и смерти такой, а ты всё про прикид да про марку...

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    , @Philip Owen
    @Dmitry

    The successors to the Mods were the skinheads in Crombie overcoats. Very expensive. My brother had one. Mostly not football supporters. Sometimes girls tagged along with a style of their own. I don't know there is a US equivalent to the football hooligan skinheads. Male only.

    My steel toed boots were for real. I worked in a factory. The ones in the picture were Doc Martens, not steel toed. I wore flares though, not rolled up jeans. The shirt brand was Ben Sherman. I still buy one when I see them. You are right; clothing was very much about brands. The clothes showed you were working, earning money and probably unmarried, living at home. Students and young parents couldn't afford them. Stone Island and Burberry were decades later but the same social origin. They were called Chavs by then.

    I was actually living in the North East at the time of that picture. I scanned the faces. No one I recognize. When I wanted to mix with fellow students, my apprenticeship included time at University, I changed to deck shoes and a T shirt and a peace badge. In summer when I went back to the factory I lived in different circles. Young male working class life was violent then (and always had been). I didn't drink so I avoided the worst.

    And yet, the UK has never been a more economically equal society. Mod Skinhead was showing the students who had their own money.

  89. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    From the video report of 1971 England, it seems like a modern translation would be:

    "Hairies" = hipsters
    "Mods" = ?
    "Rockers" = bikers
    "Skinheads" = football hooligans ("offniks", "ultras", etc - I'm not sure what is the American equivalent)


    The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing.
     
    The funny thing is that Millwall is not a dangerous area of London in the 21st century? It's where the billion dollar office skyscrapers are and they have Church's shoe shop, and luxury housing in this area. Yet all the fashion for dangerous brands like Stone Island and Burberry, is based on the overcoats people wear in fights against Millwall in hooliganploitation films.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbZnLm0oi7A

    Replies: @Ano4, @Philip Owen

    Dimitri, a serious question: why do you care so much about brands and fashion stuff? Are you into that line of business or is it just that you really think that it is that important?

    I’m asking cause I find it hard to size you man: you clearly come off as a clever and well cultured person, but sometimes your comments seem a bit awkward.

    Don’t take it bad, but we’re talking life and death of a person who was a hero to some, a villain and a murderer to others and all you have to discuss is freaking Burberry’s?

    Человека убили, сам он людей мочил и пиздил пачками. Интересно как он дошёл до жизни и смерти такой, а ты всё про прикид да про марку…

    🙂

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    Apparently, living in England effects ones sense of style. :-)

    https://youtu.be/KXaO3zgaf5Q

    Replies: @Ano4

    , @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    Lol you don't have to be like a school teacher. I've been here for years and Karlin is quite relaxed for us to go offtopic.

    You're the person who started talking about skinhead subculture in Russia, and the closest cause célèbre in Russia now is fighting about British fashion brands.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtJRqPbkG1c

  90. @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    Dimitri, a serious question: why do you care so much about brands and fashion stuff? Are you into that line of business or is it just that you really think that it is that important?

    I'm asking cause I find it hard to size you man: you clearly come off as a clever and well cultured person, but sometimes your comments seem a bit awkward.

    Don't take it bad, but we're talking life and death of a person who was a hero to some, a villain and a murderer to others and all you have to discuss is freaking Burberry's?

    Человека убили, сам он людей мочил и пиздил пачками. Интересно как он дошёл до жизни и смерти такой, а ты всё про прикид да про марку...

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    Apparently, living in England effects ones sense of style. 🙂

    • LOL: Ano4
    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack

    I still remember a recommendation made by some anonymous Russian WN or neo-Nazi (Tesak himself perhaps) around 2005. It was dealing with the way one should dress while going out to hunt, hurt and perhaps kill the target demographics. While going on a "hunt", one should dress in the most anonymous manner possible, making sure one would blend into the masses of the Russian youngsters. The outfit description, complete with some humorous details (hang a cute small stuffed toy on a backpack, put a Legalize Pot t-shirt...) was very precise and functional. Fashion and style had nothing to do with the description.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

  91. @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    Apparently, living in England effects ones sense of style. :-)

    https://youtu.be/KXaO3zgaf5Q

    Replies: @Ano4

    I still remember a recommendation made by some anonymous Russian WN or neo-Nazi (Tesak himself perhaps) around 2005. It was dealing with the way one should dress while going out to hunt, hurt and perhaps kill the target demographics. While going on a “hunt”, one should dress in the most anonymous manner possible, making sure one would blend into the masses of the Russian youngsters. The outfit description, complete with some humorous details (hang a cute small stuffed toy on a backpack, put a Legalize Pot t-shirt…) was very precise and functional. Fashion and style had nothing to do with the description.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    Killing people indiscriminately and hunting them down to be killed because of race or ethnicity is a totally foreign value that I do not embrace. I'm pretty sure that you feel the same way, so why this over the top interest in Tesak's demise?

    Replies: @Ano4

  92. @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack

    I still remember a recommendation made by some anonymous Russian WN or neo-Nazi (Tesak himself perhaps) around 2005. It was dealing with the way one should dress while going out to hunt, hurt and perhaps kill the target demographics. While going on a "hunt", one should dress in the most anonymous manner possible, making sure one would blend into the masses of the Russian youngsters. The outfit description, complete with some humorous details (hang a cute small stuffed toy on a backpack, put a Legalize Pot t-shirt...) was very precise and functional. Fashion and style had nothing to do with the description.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    Killing people indiscriminately and hunting them down to be killed because of race or ethnicity is a totally foreign value that I do not embrace. I’m pretty sure that you feel the same way, so why this over the top interest in Tesak’s demise?

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack

    I think that Tesak was an interesting individual, he makes me think of the Clockwork Orange and Fight Club type of people. LN Gumilyov has described this type of people as passionarii and has noted their outstanding impact on the formation of cultures, religions and ethnic groups.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8



    The political violence aspects of Tesak activism are important, but secondary from the point of view of my interests. But it would be also misguided to think that Tesak was simply a byproduct of some youth subculture.

    Given that I have come of age in the same environment that saw Tesak becoming famous a decade later, I can also relate to how he and his followers saw life and experienced reality. When I look at Tesak's biography, I have the feeling that I partially understand how he came to living the way he did.

    But I certainly find it sad that all that talent, all that energy and even all that violence have been ultimately wasted in vain. And that many innocent people have been hurt because Tesak and his friends have been misguided and ultimately wrong in both strategy and tactics.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. Hack

  93. @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    Killing people indiscriminately and hunting them down to be killed because of race or ethnicity is a totally foreign value that I do not embrace. I'm pretty sure that you feel the same way, so why this over the top interest in Tesak's demise?

    Replies: @Ano4

    I think that Tesak was an interesting individual, he makes me think of the Clockwork Orange and Fight Club type of people. LN Gumilyov has described this type of people as passionarii and has noted their outstanding impact on the formation of cultures, religions and ethnic groups.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8

    [MORE]

    The political violence aspects of Tesak activism are important, but secondary from the point of view of my interests. But it would be also misguided to think that Tesak was simply a byproduct of some youth subculture.

    Given that I have come of age in the same environment that saw Tesak becoming famous a decade later, I can also relate to how he and his followers saw life and experienced reality. When I look at Tesak’s biography, I have the feeling that I partially understand how he came to living the way he did.

    But I certainly find it sad that all that talent, all that energy and even all that violence have been ultimately wasted in vain. And that many innocent people have been hurt because Tesak and his friends have been misguided and ultimately wrong in both strategy and tactics.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    Clockwork Orange was based partly on this English youth culture of its time.

    Kubrick banned his film version in England, because he thought that British youth gangs were imitating it too much.

    For example, 17-year old Dutch girl is gang raped by a group of English teenagers, and the media write that they recreated the film:


    Meanwhile in Lancashire, a 17-year-old holidaying Dutch girl was raped by a gang of youths who, according to reports, sang ‘Singing in the Rain’, another apparent replica of one of the film’s most notorious scenes.

     

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/clockworkorange.html#:~:text=In%201973%2C%20Kubrick%20himself%2C%20disheartened,that%20Kubrick's%20decision%20was%20wise.

    In Russia, the skinhead youth culture comes to cities more than 20 years later than it was in England. Here I think is a good example of the desynchronization (with time lag), of Russia from the West, that had discussed already a lot in the 19th century.

    By the way, my belief of this cultural desynchronization, is that it mostly is effected by the economic level and type of labour of the population, that determines a lot of peoples' tastes. This is also why except in a few pockets in wealthy cities, Russia will not jump into the LGBT hipster religion of Western Europe (unless there is an economic boom that would raise a Western European proportion of the population into bourgeoisie - and I don't see that as coming soon).

    Replies: @Ano4

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    I think that certain prominent differences can be discerned in comparing the Clockwork Orange "Droogs" and the typical Fightclub "rowdies". Although mindless violence was present within the cultures of both groups, the "rowdies" were more obsessed with the sadistic pleasure of violence than the "droogs". The droogs, although sadistically insensitive to the feelings of their victims were primarily interested in the pecuniary gains from their pursuits, the rowdies seemed more interested in the fight itself and gaining status within their group's socialization processes.

    Another difference, was Alex's (the head droog) interest in maintaining the décor of fashion, especially so while having a night out with the ladies. I didn't perceive any such value described within the Fightclub movie for any of the protagonists?...


    BTW, the most interesting account of adolescent delinquent behavior morphing into something much more powerful and positive, can be found in St. Augustine's fabulous account of his own maturation found within his famous "Confessions". Although I don't recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts, his "Achilles heel" was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex, something that a lot of people wrestle with throughout their lives. Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist

  94. @Ano4
    @Dmitry

    Dimitri, a serious question: why do you care so much about brands and fashion stuff? Are you into that line of business or is it just that you really think that it is that important?

    I'm asking cause I find it hard to size you man: you clearly come off as a clever and well cultured person, but sometimes your comments seem a bit awkward.

    Don't take it bad, but we're talking life and death of a person who was a hero to some, a villain and a murderer to others and all you have to discuss is freaking Burberry's?

    Человека убили, сам он людей мочил и пиздил пачками. Интересно как он дошёл до жизни и смерти такой, а ты всё про прикид да про марку...

    🙂

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Dmitry

    Lol you don’t have to be like a school teacher. I’ve been here for years and Karlin is quite relaxed for us to go offtopic.

    You’re the person who started talking about skinhead subculture in Russia, and the closest cause célèbre in Russia now is fighting about British fashion brands.

    • LOL: Ano4
  95. that line of business or is it just that you really think that it is that important?

    I like almost all the English culture, but I think much of British fashion brands are just a clever scam (except their shoes for the office). Yet this is one of the main influences of UK on Russia so it’s not trivial or uninteresting.

    I don’t work anything to do with that industry. But quite few of Russian (women) which you can meet in London, are either working for the art industry (where a lot of Russian money is passing) or the fashion brands (where Russian money is feeding).

    Philip Owen was living in 1970s England – it’s interesting to read his comments, people who were close to the original source of this culture. That same culture they invented 50 years ago, is what kids imitate and fight over in places thousands of kilometres today.

    • Agree: Ano4
  96. @Dmitry
    @Philip Owen

    From the video report of 1971 England, it seems like a modern translation would be:

    "Hairies" = hipsters
    "Mods" = ?
    "Rockers" = bikers
    "Skinheads" = football hooligans ("offniks", "ultras", etc - I'm not sure what is the American equivalent)


    The Millwall fans saw how the Coventry fans were dressed and in days, skinheads were a London thing.
     
    The funny thing is that Millwall is not a dangerous area of London in the 21st century? It's where the billion dollar office skyscrapers are and they have Church's shoe shop, and luxury housing in this area. Yet all the fashion for dangerous brands like Stone Island and Burberry, is based on the overcoats people wear in fights against Millwall in hooliganploitation films.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbZnLm0oi7A

    Replies: @Ano4, @Philip Owen

    The successors to the Mods were the skinheads in Crombie overcoats. Very expensive. My brother had one. Mostly not football supporters. Sometimes girls tagged along with a style of their own. I don’t know there is a US equivalent to the football hooligan skinheads. Male only.

    My steel toed boots were for real. I worked in a factory. The ones in the picture were Doc Martens, not steel toed. I wore flares though, not rolled up jeans. The shirt brand was Ben Sherman. I still buy one when I see them. You are right; clothing was very much about brands. The clothes showed you were working, earning money and probably unmarried, living at home. Students and young parents couldn’t afford them. Stone Island and Burberry were decades later but the same social origin. They were called Chavs by then.

    I was actually living in the North East at the time of that picture. I scanned the faces. No one I recognize. When I wanted to mix with fellow students, my apprenticeship included time at University, I changed to deck shoes and a T shirt and a peace badge. In summer when I went back to the factory I lived in different circles. Young male working class life was violent then (and always had been). I didn’t drink so I avoided the worst.

    And yet, the UK has never been a more economically equal society. Mod Skinhead was showing the students who had their own money.

    • Thanks: Ano4
  97. @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack

    I think that Tesak was an interesting individual, he makes me think of the Clockwork Orange and Fight Club type of people. LN Gumilyov has described this type of people as passionarii and has noted their outstanding impact on the formation of cultures, religions and ethnic groups.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8



    The political violence aspects of Tesak activism are important, but secondary from the point of view of my interests. But it would be also misguided to think that Tesak was simply a byproduct of some youth subculture.

    Given that I have come of age in the same environment that saw Tesak becoming famous a decade later, I can also relate to how he and his followers saw life and experienced reality. When I look at Tesak's biography, I have the feeling that I partially understand how he came to living the way he did.

    But I certainly find it sad that all that talent, all that energy and even all that violence have been ultimately wasted in vain. And that many innocent people have been hurt because Tesak and his friends have been misguided and ultimately wrong in both strategy and tactics.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. Hack

    Clockwork Orange was based partly on this English youth culture of its time.

    Kubrick banned his film version in England, because he thought that British youth gangs were imitating it too much.

    For example, 17-year old Dutch girl is gang raped by a group of English teenagers, and the media write that they recreated the film:

    Meanwhile in Lancashire, a 17-year-old holidaying Dutch girl was raped by a gang of youths who, according to reports, sang ‘Singing in the Rain’, another apparent replica of one of the film’s most notorious scenes.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/clockworkorange.html#:~:text=In%201973%2C%20Kubrick%20himself%2C%20disheartened,that%20Kubrick’s%20decision%20was%20wise.

    In Russia, the skinhead youth culture comes to cities more than 20 years later than it was in England. Here I think is a good example of the desynchronization (with time lag), of Russia from the West, that had discussed already a lot in the 19th century.

    By the way, my belief of this cultural desynchronization, is that it mostly is effected by the economic level and type of labour of the population, that determines a lot of peoples’ tastes. This is also why except in a few pockets in wealthy cities, Russia will not jump into the LGBT hipster religion of Western Europe (unless there is an economic boom that would raise a Western European proportion of the population into bourgeoisie – and I don’t see that as coming soon).

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Dmitry


    By the way, my belief of this cultural desynchronization, is that it mostly is effected by the economic level and type of labour of the population, that determines a lot of peoples’ tastes
     
    Very Marxist. You know the base and superstructure type of social analysis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

  98. @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack

    I think that Tesak was an interesting individual, he makes me think of the Clockwork Orange and Fight Club type of people. LN Gumilyov has described this type of people as passionarii and has noted their outstanding impact on the formation of cultures, religions and ethnic groups.

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%B8



    The political violence aspects of Tesak activism are important, but secondary from the point of view of my interests. But it would be also misguided to think that Tesak was simply a byproduct of some youth subculture.

    Given that I have come of age in the same environment that saw Tesak becoming famous a decade later, I can also relate to how he and his followers saw life and experienced reality. When I look at Tesak's biography, I have the feeling that I partially understand how he came to living the way he did.

    But I certainly find it sad that all that talent, all that energy and even all that violence have been ultimately wasted in vain. And that many innocent people have been hurt because Tesak and his friends have been misguided and ultimately wrong in both strategy and tactics.

    Replies: @Dmitry, @Mr. Hack

    I think that certain prominent differences can be discerned in comparing the Clockwork Orange “Droogs” and the typical Fightclub “rowdies”. Although mindless violence was present within the cultures of both groups, the “rowdies” were more obsessed with the sadistic pleasure of violence than the “droogs”. The droogs, although sadistically insensitive to the feelings of their victims were primarily interested in the pecuniary gains from their pursuits, the rowdies seemed more interested in the fight itself and gaining status within their group’s socialization processes.

    Another difference, was Alex’s (the head droog) interest in maintaining the décor of fashion, especially so while having a night out with the ladies. I didn’t perceive any such value described within the Fightclub movie for any of the protagonists?…

    BTW, the most interesting account of adolescent delinquent behavior morphing into something much more powerful and positive, can be found in St. Augustine’s fabulous account of his own maturation found within his famous “Confessions”. Although I don’t recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts, his “Achilles heel” was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex, something that a lot of people wrestle with throughout their lives. Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack


    Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.
     
    We had the book in our library, a french pocketbook edition, when I was young. But I only read the part about Manichaeism. It was the time (1994) when I discovered the Gnostic apocrypha in a Russian translation and looked to learn more about these heretical spiritual movements.

    Maybe it would be the time to read the book in its entirety.

    Regarding sexuality and violence in youngster subcultures, I remember it being most clearly expressed in Punk Rock. The Exploited made no secret about it, the Punks were in for sex and violence:

    https://youtu.be/3FWP1mqBgqI

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    , @Kent Nationalist
    @Mr. Hack


    Although I don’t recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts
     
    He took pleasure in stealing fruits.

    his “Achilles heel” was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex,
     
    I don't remember that part, all I can remember referring to is his one long-term concubine, who bore him a son and whom they were both very fond of. I don't want to be presumptuous about a saint's actions, but marrying her would have seemed like the virtuous option to me. I suppose he had a vocation though by that time.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

  99. @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    Clockwork Orange was based partly on this English youth culture of its time.

    Kubrick banned his film version in England, because he thought that British youth gangs were imitating it too much.

    For example, 17-year old Dutch girl is gang raped by a group of English teenagers, and the media write that they recreated the film:


    Meanwhile in Lancashire, a 17-year-old holidaying Dutch girl was raped by a gang of youths who, according to reports, sang ‘Singing in the Rain’, another apparent replica of one of the film’s most notorious scenes.

     

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/flashpoints/theater/clockworkorange.html#:~:text=In%201973%2C%20Kubrick%20himself%2C%20disheartened,that%20Kubrick's%20decision%20was%20wise.

    In Russia, the skinhead youth culture comes to cities more than 20 years later than it was in England. Here I think is a good example of the desynchronization (with time lag), of Russia from the West, that had discussed already a lot in the 19th century.

    By the way, my belief of this cultural desynchronization, is that it mostly is effected by the economic level and type of labour of the population, that determines a lot of peoples' tastes. This is also why except in a few pockets in wealthy cities, Russia will not jump into the LGBT hipster religion of Western Europe (unless there is an economic boom that would raise a Western European proportion of the population into bourgeoisie - and I don't see that as coming soon).

    Replies: @Ano4

    By the way, my belief of this cultural desynchronization, is that it mostly is effected by the economic level and type of labour of the population, that determines a lot of peoples’ tastes

    Very Marxist. You know the base and superstructure type of social analysis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure

    🙂

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    @Ano4

    One of the clearly correct and important views of Marx, was his emphasis that type of labour that a person and society does, in determining the culture and consciousness of this person and society.

    Problem of Marxism, usually happens because he systematizes his interesting ideas, into an overly explanatory model of world history, and has to exaggerate various claims to attain the correctly happy messianic/religious outcome. It's like if you discovered insights into relationship between things like precipitation and air pressure, but always have to systematize your insights into a prediction of the future golden age of improved weather.

    Or if we systematize the maxims of La Rochefoucauld, into predictive theory of how people will behave at the dinner party, and that they will all become friends at the end.

    -


    In terms of teenagers fighting in Russia, about who is allowed to wear particular British fashion labels, then we can almost say they are pioneering Marxist educators: trying to create a street theatre to physically illustrate Marx's theories about what he called "commodity fetishism" :

    A commodity is therefore a mysterious thing, simply because in it the social character of men’s labour appears to them as an objective character stamped upon the product of that labour; because the relation of the producers to the sum total of their own labour is presented to them as a social relation, existing not between themselves, but between the products of their labour. This is the reason why the products of labour become commodities, social things whose qualities are at the same time perceptible and imperceptible by the senses...There, the existence of the things quâ commodities, and the value relation between the products of labour which stamps them as commodities, have absolutely no connection with their physical properties and with the material relations arising therefrom. There it is a definite social relation between men, that assumes, in their eyes, the fantastic form of a relation between things.
     

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#S4
  100. @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    I think that certain prominent differences can be discerned in comparing the Clockwork Orange "Droogs" and the typical Fightclub "rowdies". Although mindless violence was present within the cultures of both groups, the "rowdies" were more obsessed with the sadistic pleasure of violence than the "droogs". The droogs, although sadistically insensitive to the feelings of their victims were primarily interested in the pecuniary gains from their pursuits, the rowdies seemed more interested in the fight itself and gaining status within their group's socialization processes.

    Another difference, was Alex's (the head droog) interest in maintaining the décor of fashion, especially so while having a night out with the ladies. I didn't perceive any such value described within the Fightclub movie for any of the protagonists?...


    BTW, the most interesting account of adolescent delinquent behavior morphing into something much more powerful and positive, can be found in St. Augustine's fabulous account of his own maturation found within his famous "Confessions". Although I don't recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts, his "Achilles heel" was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex, something that a lot of people wrestle with throughout their lives. Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist

    Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.

    We had the book in our library, a french pocketbook edition, when I was young. But I only read the part about Manichaeism. It was the time (1994) when I discovered the Gnostic apocrypha in a Russian translation and looked to learn more about these heretical spiritual movements.

    Maybe it would be the time to read the book in its entirety.

    Regarding sexuality and violence in youngster subcultures, I remember it being most clearly expressed in Punk Rock. The Exploited made no secret about it, the Punks were in for sex and violence:

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    In the beginning, there were the Beatles. After that some interesting psychedelic bands that seemed to morph slowly into prog rock, which I like even today (YES, Rick Wakeman, Genesis, King Crimson, Moody blues, Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel). Beyond some good toe tapping Clash, I really didn't get into that kind of music much. I was also into Classical and Jazz music too, and punk music was just.....so simplistic and elementary. The spiked purple and green hair and the shitkicking boots were just a bit too much for me (I was "growing up" by then). :-)

  101. @Mr. Hack
    @Ano4

    I think that certain prominent differences can be discerned in comparing the Clockwork Orange "Droogs" and the typical Fightclub "rowdies". Although mindless violence was present within the cultures of both groups, the "rowdies" were more obsessed with the sadistic pleasure of violence than the "droogs". The droogs, although sadistically insensitive to the feelings of their victims were primarily interested in the pecuniary gains from their pursuits, the rowdies seemed more interested in the fight itself and gaining status within their group's socialization processes.

    Another difference, was Alex's (the head droog) interest in maintaining the décor of fashion, especially so while having a night out with the ladies. I didn't perceive any such value described within the Fightclub movie for any of the protagonists?...


    BTW, the most interesting account of adolescent delinquent behavior morphing into something much more powerful and positive, can be found in St. Augustine's fabulous account of his own maturation found within his famous "Confessions". Although I don't recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts, his "Achilles heel" was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex, something that a lot of people wrestle with throughout their lives. Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.

    Replies: @Ano4, @Kent Nationalist

    Although I don’t recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts

    He took pleasure in stealing fruits.

    his “Achilles heel” was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex,

    I don’t remember that part, all I can remember referring to is his one long-term concubine, who bore him a son and whom they were both very fond of. I don’t want to be presumptuous about a saint’s actions, but marrying her would have seemed like the virtuous option to me. I suppose he had a vocation though by that time.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    @Kent Nationalist

    It's been a long while since I read his life's account. Perhaps, I need to rereadit..

    But isn't having sexual relations with a concubine considered adulterous sex? Weren't there other affairs hinted at within the account too?

    , @Mr. Hack
    @Kent Nationalist


    I can remember referring to is his one long-term concubine, who bore him a son and whom they were both very fond of. I don’t want to be presumptuous about a saint’s actions, but marrying her would have seemed like the virtuous option to me. I suppose he had a vocation though by that time
     
    Well, I guess that life long fidelity and sexual morality before conversion aren't necessary for sainthood. St. Vladimir made it to the realm of the superstars of sainthood, and he had something like thirty (30) wives and 800 concubines on the side too. If I recall, he didn't actually convert until he was lying on his deathbed too! As in all things, timing seems to be one of the most important factors in life (and in the afterlife too!). :-)
  102. @AnonFromTN
    @JL


    there is no passport control upon departure from the US,
     
    False. Airlines check that you either have a visa of the country you are flying to, or a passport of that country. They don’t want to fly you back for free.

    Russian law for citizens to declare any other citizenships and residency permits
     
    Maybe. But it is Russian tradition to ignore the law. It was so in tsarist times, in the USSR, and now in the RF. When you fly from Moscow to the States, they want to see both your passports, but never ask whether you are registered as a holder of other country’s passport.

    Replies: @JL, @Jazman

    Same happened to me I got stamp in Israel so no more Hurghada Egypt 🙂

  103. @Kent Nationalist
    @Mr. Hack


    Although I don’t recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts
     
    He took pleasure in stealing fruits.

    his “Achilles heel” was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex,
     
    I don't remember that part, all I can remember referring to is his one long-term concubine, who bore him a son and whom they were both very fond of. I don't want to be presumptuous about a saint's actions, but marrying her would have seemed like the virtuous option to me. I suppose he had a vocation though by that time.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    It’s been a long while since I read his life’s account. Perhaps, I need to rereadit..

    But isn’t having sexual relations with a concubine considered adulterous sex? Weren’t there other affairs hinted at within the account too?

  104. @Ano4
    @Mr. Hack


    Have you read it? If not I highly recommend that you do.
     
    We had the book in our library, a french pocketbook edition, when I was young. But I only read the part about Manichaeism. It was the time (1994) when I discovered the Gnostic apocrypha in a Russian translation and looked to learn more about these heretical spiritual movements.

    Maybe it would be the time to read the book in its entirety.

    Regarding sexuality and violence in youngster subcultures, I remember it being most clearly expressed in Punk Rock. The Exploited made no secret about it, the Punks were in for sex and violence:

    https://youtu.be/3FWP1mqBgqI

    Replies: @Mr. Hack

    In the beginning, there were the Beatles. After that some interesting psychedelic bands that seemed to morph slowly into prog rock, which I like even today (YES, Rick Wakeman, Genesis, King Crimson, Moody blues, Pink Floyd, Peter Gabriel). Beyond some good toe tapping Clash, I really didn’t get into that kind of music much. I was also into Classical and Jazz music too, and punk music was just…..so simplistic and elementary. The spiked purple and green hair and the shitkicking boots were just a bit too much for me (I was “growing up” by then). 🙂

    • Agree: Ano4
  105. @Kent Nationalist
    @Mr. Hack


    Although I don’t recall him exhibiting or taking any pleasure in violent acts
     
    He took pleasure in stealing fruits.

    his “Achilles heel” was his passion for unbounded adulterous sex,
     
    I don't remember that part, all I can remember referring to is his one long-term concubine, who bore him a son and whom they were both very fond of. I don't want to be presumptuous about a saint's actions, but marrying her would have seemed like the virtuous option to me. I suppose he had a vocation though by that time.

    Replies: @Mr. Hack, @Mr. Hack

    I can remember referring to is his one long-term concubine, who bore him a son and whom they were both very fond of. I don’t want to be presumptuous about a saint’s actions, but marrying her would have seemed like the virtuous option to me. I suppose he had a vocation though by that time

    Well, I guess that life long fidelity and sexual morality before conversion aren’t necessary for sainthood. St. Vladimir made it to the realm of the superstars of sainthood, and he had something like thirty (30) wives and 800 concubines on the side too. If I recall, he didn’t actually convert until he was lying on his deathbed too! As in all things, timing seems to be one of the most important factors in life (and in the afterlife too!). 🙂

    • Agree: Ano4
  106. @Ano4
    @Dmitry


    By the way, my belief of this cultural desynchronization, is that it mostly is effected by the economic level and type of labour of the population, that determines a lot of peoples’ tastes
     
    Very Marxist. You know the base and superstructure type of social analysis.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_and_superstructure

    🙂

    Replies: @Dmitry

    One of the clearly correct and important views of Marx, was his emphasis that type of labour that a person and society does, in determining the culture and consciousness of this person and society.

    Problem of Marxism, usually happens because he systematizes his interesting ideas, into an overly explanatory model of world history, and has to exaggerate various claims to attain the correctly happy messianic/religious outcome. It’s like if you discovered insights into relationship between things like precipitation and air pressure, but always have to systematize your insights into a prediction of the future golden age of improved weather.

    Or if we systematize the maxims of La Rochefoucauld, into predictive theory of how people will behave at the dinner party, and that they will all become friends at the end.

    In terms of teenagers fighting in Russia, about who is allowed to wear particular British fashion labels, then we can almost say they are pioneering Marxist educators: trying to create a street theatre to physically illustrate Marx’s theories about what he called “commodity fetishism” :

    A commodity is therefore a mysterious thing, simply because in it the social character of men’s labour appears to them as an objective character stamped upon the product of that labour; because the relation of the producers to the sum total of their own labour is presented to them as a social relation, existing not between themselves, but between the products of their labour. This is the reason why the products of labour become commodities, social things whose qualities are at the same time perceptible and imperceptible by the senses…There, the existence of the things quâ commodities, and the value relation between the products of labour which stamps them as commodities, have absolutely no connection with their physical properties and with the material relations arising therefrom. There it is a definite social relation between men, that assumes, in their eyes, the fantastic form of a relation between things.

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch01.htm#S4

    • Thanks: Ano4
  107. I just learned of Tesak’s death here so
    I would like to share some belated thoughts.

    In a way, he was quite typical, yet anachronistic. Typical in that each dvor (yard) and often each podyezd (entrance to a Soviet apartment block) throughout the former USSR and the Eastern block had a lad like him, a sort of gang leader who knew some martial arts, did pull-ups, owned nunchakus or lifted weights in the area named “heating knot” within the catacombs that linked the basements underneath those wonders of architecture.

    The leader was most often a year or two older than the others and had some valuable experience from a couple of months spent in a youth colony (euphemism for a juvenile incarceration institution) or had credit because he was seen with actual criminals who rode in cars and didn’t live with their parents.

    Usually, the gang lost its leader when he was called up into the army or went to jail and returned from either with other concerns.

    Such was the system of Soviet Ephebes; the youths would hang out on abandoned construction sites, bully kids with long hair, fight rival gangs during Saturday night dances and so on. Often, they espoused colours: a football club, a musical style or the swastika (Soviet kids of the latter generations grew up playing Nazis so it was familiar to them, besides it was the most rebellious image available).

    Once in a while, the leader wouldn’t move on and like Melanion or Peter Pan would remain with his juvenile gang – literally his infantry. One often thought of this as a failure of sorts, akin to that of the black hunter himself; Melanion was not expected to grow old, raise a family of his own and so on.

    Such was Tesak. We never met although there have been several avenues with one degree of separation between us. A more notable one was the commendable time when he fought in a kickboxing match in an event where I equally fought and equally lost…

    He started out as a racist skinhead targeting the so called Caucasians and Central Asians that found a niche doing menial jobs in Russian cities. He claimed, then denied killing two and became infamous as a result of that. Apparently, he might have killed more. I wasn’t aware of his loss during those explosions but even without that, it was in the spirit of the place and time as that conflict was on and atrocities were committed left and right.

    Later, the pogroms grew less popular and he had the good sense to switch to targeting drug dealers (usually of the same ethnicities) as well as pederasts whom he honey-trapped online and labelled as pedophiles; these actions generated numerous videos that enjoyed a certain popularity and usually indicated in my case that I had too much spare time.

    Of course, there were rumours about him being a homosexual and/or being of Jewish extraction himself, rumours supported by his lifestyle, interests, appearance etc. but I wouldn’t know what to say about that, except that the ancestry bit seemed suspect as is often the case with Nazis/Bro-Nazi’s and that for a Russian white nationalist approaching middle age, he failed to start a family or have children of his own.

    In the end, it wasn’t the drug gangs or the pedophile rings that did him in for he didn’t destroy any mafias or kingpins, he didn’t attack any satanic undergrounds that used and killed actual children; the black hunter’s catch was pretty pedestrian: some low level drug dealers who were themselves users and some sexually frustrated curious omegas as well as pederasts with interest in already homosexual adolescents – bad, disgraceful, illegal but hardly vital.

    What got him in prison and in the end killed him was that he had murdered those people in his youth. He chose them as racial enemies but killing them was unjust as to all we know, they were civilians that had come to make a living.

    The authorities could have killed him (to them, it is important to keep the Caucasus in its current status, also many people staffing the”organs” are from the Caucasus) or it could have been an act of blood feud or ethnic retribution. All understandable to me, although in no way do I see the Muslims as compatible with Europeans, be they WASPs, Frenchmen, Russians or others.

    The past caught up with him.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin, Ano4
  108. @mal

    incidentally, she has since given up her Russian citizenship and emigrated to Ukraine)
     

    His choice of Cuba as a getaway destination wasn’t ideal, and he was deported back to Russia.
     
    ??? What goes through people's minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.

    If you want an escape path, learn from Snowden. I revived my Russian citizenship recently for that reason. (Legally, you can not apply for Russian citizenship without losing US citizenship. But if you were a Russian national already, it doesn’t count as new application, simply paperwork renewal. So what ends up happening is US State Department and other government agencies will treat your Russian citizenship as not real, and Russian MVD/MID will treat your US citizenship as not real).

    Also, cooking cat is not cool. And if National Socialists want to go for Universal White Brotherhood, they should give up the 'nationalist' moniker. So instead of Nazis just be the 'Zis'. Or 'Euzis' (European socialists).

    Replies: @Hyperborean, @JL, @A. Hipster

    ??? What goes through people’s minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.

    re: Ecuador …. president Rafael Correa was a righteous man, but his successor, Lenin [sic!] Voltaire Moreno Garcés became a turncoat traitor, bought and paid US stooge … it was unexpected

    • Replies: @mal
    @A. Hipster

    Well governments change, especially in small countries. It's not wise to place your life in situation like this. Also, once Assange walked in, he couldn't walk out. No help could have reached him. Which is why i think Snowden made the smartest choice.

  109. @A. Hipster
    @mal


    ??? What goes through people’s minds? How do they make those decisions? Most people want to get out of Ukraine, not get in. And Cuba? Really? What did he think would happen? Same with Assange by the way. Ecuadorian embassy lol.
     
    re: Ecuador .... president Rafael Correa was a righteous man, but his successor, Lenin [sic!] Voltaire Moreno Garcés became a turncoat traitor, bought and paid US stooge ... it was unexpected

    Replies: @mal

    Well governments change, especially in small countries. It’s not wise to place your life in situation like this. Also, once Assange walked in, he couldn’t walk out. No help could have reached him. Which is why i think Snowden made the smartest choice.

  110. The day of his death the video recording of the cell in which was Tesak was turned off. There were traces of blood across the cell, but the official documented cause of death is written as strangulation. The wounds on his neck and wrists are not mentioned in the official death certificate. His parents have requested an independent review of his death and an autopsy by an independent forensic pathologist, they got the paperwork done, but the authorities refuse to hold them the body in an open coffin.

    He was killed and there will be a cover up.

    It could happen to anyone in a Russian prison.

    https://www.newsru.com/russia/23sep2020/tesak.html

  111. So…current USA is a country where “billionaire pedophile” was suicided in prison, meanwhile in RF prison “fighter against pedophiles” got suicided – very useful for the image of “leading the fight against degenerate West”, lol 🙂

    btw who is next in line, maybe nazbol Udalcov?

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @JL
    @sudden death

    Udaltsov is neither a Nazbol, nor is he in prison. He comes from a line of revolutionaries, there is a street in Moscow named after his grandfather.

  112. @sudden death
    So...current USA is a country where "billionaire pedophile" was suicided in prison, meanwhile in RF prison "fighter against pedophiles" got suicided - very useful for the image of "leading the fight against degenerate West", lol :)

    btw who is next in line, maybe nazbol Udalcov?

    Replies: @JL

    Udaltsov is neither a Nazbol, nor is he in prison. He comes from a line of revolutionaries, there is a street in Moscow named after his grandfather.

  113. @Philip Owen
    @Eugene Norman

    The UDF.

    Replies: @Eugene Norman

    Did I have to specifically say “Irish catholic?” Assume I did.

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