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Posted by KyivPride on Sunday, June 21, 2020

The action, in which LGBT activists draped their rainbow flag over the Motherland statue in Kiev, is called “Mother Understands and Supports.”

Ukrainians are about as homophobic as Russians, according to polls.

But the cargo cult is more important.

The wars in the comments – or khokhlosrach, as they are known in our parts – are, at least, amusing to observe, generating unlikely alliances of convenience between the homophobe majority of older sovoks and nationalist Azov types vs. the rainbow-hued Eurointegrators.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. Wars in comments? Not in our MSM. There, you toe the line or get banned. War over. We are old Soviets now. Complete with snitches and reeducation. Camps to come

  3. Sitting on a dildo to own the moskals epic style is gradually entering the Ukrainian norm. I’ve noted before on the gradual shift of influencers to a progressive one on order of their paymasters, and its going to get worse. Unsurprisingly its the Russian speaking ones / crypto vatniks that are resistant to the homintern seeping into their lives.

    Note the synthesis of Ukrainian nationalism and globohomo, with some users replying to the post pointing out that the hammer and sickle hasn’t been removed from the statue which is outrageous to them (whilst ignoring the big gay flag which apparently is not). Not long before Ukrainian textbooks have Shevchenko saying “trans rights!”

    • LOL: Tusk
    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonFromTN
  4. Mr. Hack says:

    One can only wonder how many more people would actually show up in support of gay rights events in Russia, if such demonstrations were not banned by an authoritarian government? Why not take this stance to its logical conclusion and just ban gays altogether? If there lifestyle is wrong, why not ban it altogether?

  5. Tusk says:

    There should be only one flag flown in your country: your countries. Flying any other flags, perhaps except historical ones, should be regarded as treason. Submission to the homosexuals is complete – another stunning win for the Trump administration!

  6. @Mr. Hack

    If there lifestyle is wrong, why not ban it altogether?

    Because everything is at least partially heritable and forcing gays to be closeted means they’ll have families and pass their illness on to children.

    The ideal solution is to oppress them just enough so they aren’t closeted without letting them be normalized and allowing them to groom the next generation of faggots.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @EldnahYm
  7. Mr. Hack says:
    @Belarusian Dude

    And if there not “closeted” they wont have families? How does that one work?

  8. AP says:
    @Belarusian Dude

    Note the synthesis of Ukrainian nationalism and globohomo

    There is no synthesis. Probably over 50% of Ukrainians are nationalists but only 4% or so are pro-gay. This is just about gays trying to appeal to nationalist sentiment. If Ukrainians were all Sovoks, the gay activists would be all about glorifying early Bolshevik tolerance of homosexuality. The fact that gay activists are pandering to nationalism and/or Eurointegration simply reflects the strength of these ideas among the general population in Ukraine.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Belarusian Dude
  9. neutral says:
    @AP

    Completely wrong, the fact that the fag flag is allowed to fly over nationalist symbols unopposed means that nationalism is dead. The next symbolic replacement will be some kind of nigger worship depiction and no doubt you will be arguing how nationalistic that is by sticking it to Russia.

    • Agree: Tusk
    • Replies: @AP
  10. @Mr. Hack

    Much less likely to, thus decreasing prevalence of such genes.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  11. Anatoly,

    You should write something about events in Belarus. Looks like some kind of maidan is underway. And Russia is unprepared as usual.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  12. @Felix Keverich

    Belarusian Dude please give us your take on the situation too.

  13. Hartnell says:

    Yes I am getting very concerned about Belarus. Ok on the one hand, I can understand that people do want to improve their quality of life. I don’t think we can argue against that. However, what does concern me is where this pro-democracy movement is going to lead to. The main oppositionist candidate has said he would like Belarus to be independent from both the West and Russia. Fair enough but as we know, money is going to start pouring in from somewhere and I fear the pro-democracy people might just shift to the West heavily, thinking that it’ll give them a great quality of life.

    You know, a Russian once told me something quite pessimistic once. The person said that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine would accept mass immigration and becoming a minority if it gave them a really good quality of life. In other words, they’d be happy to sell out. This did make me feel lost for words but it does make you wonder…

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  14. Probably I was hanging out with too many rock musicians and artistic types, but back in the 80s and early 90s, Russia seemed to me considerably less homophobic than the West, at least among the intelligentsia. I still think Russians are generally fairly tolerant of individual homosexuals, and everyone knows the theater and ballet scenes are very gay, and no one really minds. Russians are more likely to see homosexuality as a personal weakness, like a tendency to indulge in sweets, rather than a sin against God the way a lot of Americans (and Poles and Western Ukrainians, tbh) are brought up. It is the propaganda and moral preening that Russians find off putting coming from Westerners.

    I wouldn’t want to be a gay kid growing up in Lyubertsy, but it probably is still better than being a gay kid growing up on the South Side of Chicago.

    • Replies: @AP
  15. @Hartnell

    What troubles me is apparent lack of pro-Russian opposition in Belarus. Whoever replaces Lukashenka can therefore be expected to pursue pro-Western nationalism: that means a ban on Russian language, attacks on Russian business interests and joint military exercises with NATO in the most optimistic scenario. The Kremlin doesn’t seem to have any plan that would give us better scenarios in Belarus, their only plan is to supply Lukashenka with cheap oil, supply him with cheap gas and hope that potato dictator continues to live for ever.

    • Replies: @Hartnell
    , @Mr. Hack
    , @El Dato
  16. Hartnell says:
    @Felix Keverich

    The big question though Felix we need to ask ourselves is how committed the average Russian is to maintaining a powerful hold? I think it really all depends on the next generation. Dimitri was more optimistic thinking there would still be a power struggle but I do wonder if this power play is simply down to the current Russian elite having been brought up under the USSR. Today’s youth might be quite happy to forget about Belarus or if Belarus goes West, might even start demanding to join in the fun…

    If I am to be brutally honest, the more I am seeing from Russia, the more I am starting to consider it a ticking time bomb of liberalism. I think Putinism is sort of a last hurrah if I’m honest.

  17. Mr. Hack says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    If I’m to understand this correctly, if a gay person is closeted, they’re more likely to stay home and start a family, than if they’re in a freer environment?

    But to start a family, they’d need to be married in order to adopt (they can’t produce there own kids, so adoption is the only way for them to obtain children).

    But to adopt kids legally, they’d have to live in a society that sanctions marriage between same sex couples, which means that they’d be living in a freer society where there would be no need to be “closeted” in the first place, so we’re still back at square one. It still doesn’t make any sense?

  18. Mr. Hack says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Whoever replaces Lukashenka can therefore be expected to pursue pro-Western nationalism: that means a ban on Russian language, attacks on Russian business interests and joint military exercises with NATO in the most optimistic scenario.

    This sounds quite awful, a little bit like freedom and the ability to really put self determination into practice. Russia needs to quickly send in their battalion of “little green men” and tear off a chunk of the country (I might suggest Vicebsk that is closest to Smolensk that is ethnographically Belorusian). This “anschluss” tactic hasn’t worked very well in neighboring Ukraine, however, Belarus is a much smaller country than Ukraine, so who knows?…

    • Replies: @Hartnell
    , @Ano4
  19. @Mr. Hack

    There is a fairly large space after formal tolerance of private homosexuality but before government endorsed homosexual marriage and child trafficking (“adoption”).

  20. Hartnell says:
    @Mr. Hack

    It wouldn’t work this time around. Unlike the Crimeans, Belarusians are quite happy to be independent and if anything did occur on the Russian side, there would be mass riots, huge international condemnation and probably even more sanctions. If that happens, the Russian economy would probably go into a major economic crisis, leading to potential huge riots and protests there as well.

    • Replies: @Dreadilk
  21. @Mr. Hack

    One can only wonder how many more people would actually show up in support of gay rights events in Russia, if such demonstrations were not banned by an authoritarian government?

    As opposed to western non-“authoritarian” governments that just use their extra-legal “non” government groups to beat protestors they don’t like and destroy the lives of dissidents who challenge their authority?

    Better question, who cares how many would show up? Protest that doesn’t interfere with the function of the state does NOTHING. Protest is only a pretext for elites to do what they wanted to in the first place, or else something totally irrelevant which they ignore. They’re banned in sane countries so as to not disturb the peace, and more importantly to not give fodder to the western world, who are always greedy for another color revolution.

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  22. Mr. Hack says:
    @Athletic and Whitesplosive

    As opposed to western non-“authoritarian” governments that just use their extra-legal “non” government groups to beat protestors they don’t like and destroy the lives of dissidents who challenge their authority?

    Are you living in a cave somewhere, man? Haven’t you seen all of the protests going on in the West during the last 3 weeks? Not too many skulls being cracked or “destroyed lives” going on? On the contrary, the elites kneel in obeisance to these rabble rousers. The whole world is dumbfounded watching this humiliating display of subservience.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @Denis
  23. @Mr. Hack

    That’s because those protests are essentially fake and performative, weaponized against their enemies rather than actually any form of rebellion against the elite

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  24. AP says:
    @neutral

    The statue is not a “nationalist symbol” but a Commie one with a hammer and sickle on the shield. Locals sometimes complain about it. It’s funny that it was draped with a rainbow flag.

    • Replies: @Lowe
  25. AP says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Russians are more likely to see homosexuality as a personal weakness,

    In the 90s, Russians also tended to view gays as victims of childhood sexual abuse, that turned them gay. They felt sorry for them. In that sense, Russians were less homophobic than Americans of the same time period.

  26. @Hartnell

    The big question though Felix we need to ask ourselves is how committed the average Russian is to maintaining a powerful hold?

    I think you’re asking the wrong question: “average Russian” is not making these foreign policy decisions. By the same token “average American” never asked for NATO expansion in Eastern Europe, containment of China in East Asia or colonial empire in the Middle East.

    Average Russian is very much focused on issues of his day-to-day survival, and expects higher-ups to take care of foreign policy matters. That being said, average Russian is smart enough to understand that he is not part of “the West”, never will be, and any Western successes usually come at his expense. Average Russian possesses a healthy dose of chauvinism, and if a government is perceived as “soft” vis-a-vis Russia’s foreign adversaries, such a government will lose its domestic legitimacy.

  27. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    The so-called “protests” are incidental to the crime wave. These are not serious dissidents going out into the streets and trying to change their country’s direction, they are just hooligans celebrating their increasingly privileged place within the new status quo with violence and theft.

  28. @Mr. Hack

    They will be allowed to live out their degeneracies with one another out of the closet but they shouldn’t be allowed to have families by having adoption prohibited for them

  29. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    You ask these questions rhetorically, but until relatively recently homosexuality was considered a crime against God and nature pretty much everywhere in the civilized world and was simply banned. I consider that state of affairs to be substantially preferable to the elite-led propaganda campaign normalizing this mental illness which has arisen in modern times.

    Russians should be lauded for their (relatively) tough stance on this matter; though as recently as the 90s, they were more liberal on homosexuality than America was, they have made a remarkable turnaround since then.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @RadicalCenter
  30. @AP

    I would believe that if activists removed the hammer and sickle, and there were none to prop up the gay flag.

  31. Mr. Hack says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    On the contrary, these protests are indeed aimed at our elite and have so far been quite effective. Anytime shops and businesses experience theft and vandalism (some large buildings being burned to the ground, bank ATM machines destroyed), you can expect the representatives of the oligarchical class to take heed and show a response to matters. You don’t really think that the condescending display in Congress of the US Representatives would have occurred without the unrest including theft and the trashing of property?

    It’s a proven quantity – that in a capitalist society things don’t really gain importance until the sacrosanct nature of property (capital) is involved.

  32. @Mr. Hack

    Gays by and large do not start families by their own accord; if allowed to exist but not given any additional support, they will adopt the typically degenerate bath house lifestyle which can be more or less isolated from the rest of society. Informal social rules work pretty well from that point on to discourage them further.

    This is what East Asia mostly does, and it generally functions well. You can be a fag, but you’ll find your opportunities in life heavily limited(unless you want to be in entertainment) and especially limited if you want to get into politics.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Dmitry
  33. @Mr. Hack

    With the exception of damage to CNN, the people harmed are obviously not the elite but rather this the completion of the triumph over the Trump-classes. Anything that gets widespread elite support is by definition, not really against the elite. At the very least, it is organized by some elite against the others – antifa, for example, is sponsored by Soros and his allies(and honestly, this isn’t even really hidden); while a small part of the overall protests, small “spearfront” groups have often shown the ability to have impact well out of their numbers.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    , @Mr. Hack
  34. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    ability to really put self determination into practice

    Is it still possible in a globalized world that is basically ruledby the 1% ?

    The Ukrainian example seems to prove that all a country can actually accomplish is to change one clan of extractive foreign elites for another. Ukrainian citizens have been again betrayed by their elites after Maidan, just like they were betrayed by them prior to it.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbHZCodXsAQOCtm?format=png&

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbHZDyOXkAEn6be?format=png&

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbHIx1dXgAETqd7?format=jpg&

    Looks like neocolonialism to me…

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  35. Znzn says:

    Maybe Aristotle was right about freedom, that the most precious freedom is not freedom to do whatever you want, but freedom to cultivate goodness, and that some people, because of their fundamental nature are natural slaves, and looking at the quality of average people in the West, maybe the people who are natural slaves are 99 percent of the population, regardless of race? I mean Plato talked about men of gold, iron, and bronze, and only men of gold deserve freedom, and by definition they probably make up 0.1 percent of the population?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  36. Mr. Hack says:
    @Denis

    I hear you and empathize with your opinions. I often struggle in trying to define a proper stance to uphold regarding the rights of homosexuals within our society. A while back, Fr. Josiah Trentham of St. Andrew’s Orthodox Church, Riverside, California was invited to speak at a conservative conference in southern California There he shared the podium with Governor Bobby Jindal and several Republican presidential candidates. Father Josiah delivered a lecture in which he argued for the supreme importance of clergy speaking truth to politicians. Here’s a little bit of his speech:

    When long-established homicide law, family and marriage law, and marriage legislation are eviscerated and their opposites are affirmed by the judiciary with the consent of many political elites, what do we get? Abortion on demand, same-sex marriage, the epidemic of pornography and public obscenity, and a state that thinks human rights are derived as a gift from the government. [Applause]And if that’s true, if human rights don’t come from God innately, and they’re a gift from the government that the government can give and the government can take away—and when a state thinks that, it becomes tyrannical, affirming that its prerogatives include legislating against natural law and traditional ethics while removing freedoms that it arrogantly believes it first bestowed in the first place. Much of the post-sexual revolution banter about tolerance has simply been a smoke-screen. It’s been blown into existence by sexual revolutionaries in order to change what our nation considers to be normal and morally correct.Once the change has been effected, once the disordered has been legitimized, once the perverse has been considered civilized, the smoke is blown away, tolerance is laid aside, and the new, immoral vision is enforced with an intolerant vengeance. Tolerance is out the window! And here in this town, we’ve experienced this. We have here a relatively new U.S. Congressman who, though he represents a district that passed Proposition 8 by almost two-thirds, nevertheless has become one of the leading gay activists in Congress. He loves to talk about tolerance, but he doesn’t live it. Just after being elected two years ago, he rode as the man of the year in the Los Angeles gay pride parade. And since gay parades began in Los Angeles in 1970, when, literally, the participants dragged a 20-foot papier-mâché phallus through the streets of L.A., they have become models of intolerance. Our Congressman rode in the parade in 2013, and he was following in his car a group of men who were dressed in nothing but g-strings from the waist down and from the waist up they were dressed as Catholic nuns. They’re in every gay pride parade in California. They call themselves the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.” So here you have it. Mocking our religious? Trampling on what we consider holy and consecrated? And we’re supposed to take this tiny community seriously when they say they’re about tolerance? This is not about tolerance. This is about what’s normal—the dignified or the perverse. [Applause] As a Christian pastor, I say this: When the natural law is inverted and when immoral laws are embraced, people of conscience, God-fearing Americans, must resist these laws, and under no circumstance obey them.

    • Thanks: Denis
    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Denis
  37. EldnahYm says:
    @Belarusian Dude

    It is unlikely that genes are the primary cause of homosexuality.

    I sort of agree with you though. The idea of closeted homosexuals trying to fit in with society and even reproducing is disgusting. The aim should be for homosexuals to have minimal influence on society.

    • Replies: @Belarusian Dude
  38. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    This is what East Asia mostly does, and it generally functions well. You can be a fag, but you’ll find your opportunities in life heavily limited(unless you want to be in entertainment) and especially limited if you want to get into politics.

    Incorrect.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  39. Znzn says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Are you joking? 50 percent of Japs under the age of 35 are in favor of gay marriage, and the first gay kpop show just came out.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  40. @Znzn

    We’re good at saying one thing and doing another. Asia is overwhelmingly a passive aggressive culture, but it often works. Entertainment is always the typical valve of escape for fags, who show an exceptional interest in it. Its fine so as long as entertainment jobs are not the highest status in a society.

    Political power in Asia is held in cliques and “old boy clubs” to a greater or lesser extent, which so far is difficult of homointern to penetrate.(har har)

    • Replies: @Znzn
    , @RadicalCenter
  41. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Human beings are genetically close to chimps. Some chimps (Pan troglodytes) are territorial and aggressive, waging war among different clans. Other chimps, the so-called bonobo (Pan paniscus) are pansexual, with their social links largely defined through sexual interactions. Simply put, bonobo are the hippies, while the other chimps are more like biker gangs.

    Humans are somewhere in between, we are terribly obsessed with sex and are horribly violent. That is why all monotheistic religions, since Zoroastrianism, have always tried to enforce rules on sexual and warlike behavior. And although I am far from being religious, I think that this is the right thing to do.

    Because if we release control on sex and violence, then no civilization is possible and humankind will quickly revert to a chimpanzee level of organisation. But maybe that’s the real goal of the whole ” sexual liberation ” movement…

    • Agree: Dreadilk
  42. @Belarusian Dude

    synthesis of Ukrainian nationalism and globohomo

    It’s simpler: self-proclaimed Ukrainian nationalism is just a tool of globohomo, like Kurd independence. Only fools don’t see that for the Empire Ukrainian nationalism is exactly as disposable as a condom. Will be discarded whenever the Empire feels like it. Nothing new there: fools will be fooled, as always. As they say in America, there is a sucker born every minute.

  43. Znzn says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    I find your optimism to be overoptimistic.

  44. @Mr. Hack

    Why not take this stance to its logical conclusion and just ban gays altogether? If there lifestyle is wrong, why not ban it altogether?

    Any sensible government that is not bent on destroying the country it governs knows two things:
    1. Same-gender “love” is a mental disorder.
    2. Mental disorders are incurable. E.g., banning schizophrenia won’t affect the number of schizophrenics in the population.

  45. @Mr. Hack

    Russian joke:
    A married couple tried to have children for many years without success. They’ve heard that there is an Indian guru who helped many couples in this situation. They went to this guru and told him about their problem. The guru looked at them and said: Boys, have you gone totally mad?

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
  46. Mr. Hack says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Inner city, downtown type buildings were damaged, certainly not all owned by mom & pop Trump supporters, but by larger corporations. Once the Walmarts and the Chases of the world (not to mention the large insurance companies that are on the line to pay for allof the damaged property) start to bark, their dependent political vassals try to save the day.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  47. @Znzn

    Maybe Aristotle was right about freedom, that the most precious freedom is not freedom to do whatever you want, but freedom to cultivate goodness, and that some people, because of their fundamental nature are natural slaves, and looking at the quality of average people in the West, maybe the people who are natural slaves are 99 percent of the population, regardless of race? I mean Plato talked about men of gold, iron, and bronze, and only men of gold deserve freedom, and by definition they probably make up 0.1 percent of the population?

    You are right, and given your tendency to ask stupid questions, in such a world you will be one of the first to be sent to the katorga.

    Stop doing that and maybe the commissars will overlook you.

    • Replies: @Znzn
  48. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Perhaps, but even having the ability to change one neo-colonial master for another shows some signs of improvement? Each new “master” must appear to offer benefits to join the new club, and eventually some of these new and better changes do trickle down to the masses. If they don’t, well you know the routine. It’s not just Ukraine either. Look at the English and the whole Brexit affair.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
    , @Ano4
    , @joni
  49. @Mr. Hack

    It’s a proven quantity – that in a capitalist society things don’t really gain importance until the sacrosanct nature of property (capital) is involved.

    If Americans didn’t live in Clown-World but instead in serious capitalist country, the corporations would have pushed for a military coup, mass executions of the rioters and supporting “intelligentsia” and then replaced the cattle/depleted human capital stock with de facto enslaved coolie labour from abroad.

  50. Denis says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Thank you for posting that excerpt.

    I personally enjoy the freedom of speech quite a bit. Unfortunately, as Fr. Trentham mentioned, those who loudly demand tolerance can be the most intolerant. I do not think that so-called “freedoms” should come at the expense of the Church, the nation’s health, and human dignity itself. The subversive bleating of that nature should be curtailed; besides, if those who attack the pillars of society are tolerated to the point that they gain political power, they usually use that power to revoke the same rights that allowed them to flourish in the first place. If that is the end result, then there is no point in this so-called tolerance, and I do not struggle with the idea that people who want to harm society should be prevented from doing so.

  51. @Mr. Hack

    Look at the English and the whole Brexit affair.

    Brexit has been a complete failure.

    Instead of tapering immigration (even before Brexit Tories have promised “Tens of thousands” per year for years), European immigration has merely been replaced with non-white immigration. Instead of the EU, where they had some influence, Brits now have to pander to an even greater degree than before to the USA’s vindictive trade and foreign policy. Trade deals with India and China will come with demands for more mass immigration and political obeisance, respectively.

    All while Britain is now experiencing a pro-American Empire cultural revolution under a “Conservative” PM.

  52. @AaronB

    Promotion in the CCP pretty requires marriage for “stability concerns.” Good luck with being a fag and pulling that off consistently in the highly hostile political environment.

    • Replies: @neutral
    , @Znzn
    , @AaronB
  53. neutral says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    A fag politician is near universally repulsive for any civilization, with the notable exception being the ZOG ones.

  54. Znzn says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    It depends, how do you suppose people get to work as garbage collectors or cleaning latrines everyday, or cleaning squat toilets in China, you can suppress the disgust instinct and psychologically convince yourself that that what is disgusting is good, or at least neutral, especially if it will result in a big increase in your social status. I mean you already have a spinster President in Taiwan and gay marriage, and gay pride parades in ultraconservative Vietnam, with people retconning themselves that it is a good idea, plus East Asians tend to like to follow the strong horse.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  55. Znzn says:
    @Hyperborean

    It depends on who is holding the gun, does it not, maybe Franco should have done a more through job?

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  56. @Znzn

    Its not really about the disgust mechanic as much as it is about power when it comes to politics there tbh. CCP doesn’t really care much about morality but they’re all about not having alternative political blocs: gay, straight, mystical, whatever. Power is insecure by definition.

    You are correct that everything Western has been a big increase in social status and the cargo cult is strong; that will likely be self-resolving in the next 5-10 years though.

  57. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Then must be divergence between Japan and China on this topic of gay tolerance then?

    E.g.

    Famous actors and director in Japan, produce a samurai films about gay samurais. (Which was a commercial success in Japan in 1999)

    And from the Wikipedia summary, it looks like Japan is definitely a historically liberal country about gays.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan

  58. Mr. Hack says:
    @Hyperborean

    I’m not sure that all of the Brexit deal has finally materialized yet? If thing are going in the worng directions, and most citizens don’t like that direction, they could apply for readmission. Or just become a non-aligned neutral state like Norway and Switzerland.

  59. Dmitry says:

    A few political activists and Soros NGO social media, does not reflect an actual political views of Ukraine (Ukraine is one of the most redneck countries of Europe, even in Kiev, and it will not for a long time have a strong enough economy, or sufficient proportion of bourgeoisie, for Scandinavian politics).

    For example, they can show about “women’s march” in Kiev. But actually conservative/religious/nationalist anti-feminist march (equally looks like freaks) are larger than – in any case – such small marches.


    (Absurd feminists vs anti-feminists in Ukraine, in a territory of equal rights of women since the early 20th century – ironically of aims of women’s march was to criminalize prostitution).

  60. @Znzn

    It depends on who is holding the gun, does it not, maybe Franco should have done a more through job?

    Just imagine the fun that could be had:

    a first batch of murderers were unskilfully hanged at Bata on the mainland early in December while another group met their end in Fernando Po [the island also known as Bioko, home to Equatorial Guinea’s capital city Malabo -ed.] on Christmas Eve. After a kind of public trial before most of the Cabinet in which assembled population was asked to endorse the verdict, they were shot or hanged to the strains of Mary Hopkin singing ‘Those were the days’ over the loudspeaker system.

    http://www.executedtoday.com/2017/12/24/1969-equatorial-guineas-christmas-eve-executions/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3KEhWTnWvEe

    • Replies: @Znzn
  61. @Dmitry

    Highly warrior based societies seem to naturally shift to pederasty; I theorize the adulation of male virtues leads to its natural epitomy in admiration of the male form in a sexual manner.

  62. Znzn says:
    @Hyperborean

    How about the problem now is because of too much freedom in the 60s, and if the liberals were just machine gunned and gunned down like in Tiananmen we would not have this problem, maybe the problem with Kent State is that not enough people were killed, and it did not happen nearly often enough? And the hippies should all have been jailed in internet camps at gun point? If that had been done things would not have come to this. Maybe the vast majority people are just fundamentally too stupid for freedom, just like people inherently can not handle meth? Maybe the West started to all go downhill in 1648?

    • Agree: Dreadilk
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @mal
  63. @Znzn

    Everything went wrong with multicelluar life.

    No, I think is more accurate to say that humanity is not exactly been equipped for this new social-media augmented life of rapid signals and status competition via symbols. Its a very novel noosphere of rather overwhelming crumbs of information and I don’t think we’ve evolved any defenses against it, since its a situation that we’ve never had to deal with before:

    So much like the widespread proliferation of high caloric food has led to obesity and diabetes, so it could be expected that such a influx of information will lead to other “metabolic” diseases afflicting society.

    Given the same evolutionary logic, though, we should eventually evolve to handle it.

  64. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Each new “master” must appear to offer benefits to join the new club, and eventually some of these new and better changes do trickle down to the masses

    Well this is clearly what some people on Maidan were hoping for: that the change from pro-Russian orientation to a pro-EU/US orientation would make their lifes easier. But it did not materialize.

    Before Maidan Sergei Glazyev has made a review of all the economic synergies and cooperation between Russian Federation and Ukraine, he had warned that if these links were to unravel, then billions in income would be lost and the GDP would take a dive. He was absolute right.

    But Ukrainian elites put the whole plunge in the economy to war in Eastern Ukraine and pretend that it has nothing at all to do with severing the economic ties with Russia. This is of course bullshit.

    And quite frankly, whatever poor people rooting for Maidan were fighting for, Victoria Nuland and her friends had another scenario ready for them. The whole thing was about weakening both Russia and Ukraine and make them bitter rivals. It took generations to get to this, but where there is will, there is way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @AP
  65. AaronB says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    That was the way it was always handled in sane traditional societies.

    Gays get married but have all sorts of affairs on the side, and visit brothels, karaoke parlors, etc, all the time.

    You probably know that this isn’t so different from heterosexual marriages in East Asia. Both men and women enjoy affairs, brothels, etc, on the side, and marriage is for social reasons and children.

    The amount of “side sex” that goes on in Asia is enormous, and what keeps the system stable in many ways.

    Its very similar to the European system until the Puritan Anglos become the dominant cultural influence.

    Public appearances and private desire are both satisfied – that’s the benefit of having a Confucian system where morality is pragmatic and relative and not absolute, where morality is not written into the fabric of the universe as the “Logos” as it is in Christianity, but simply a way for humans to live in harmony and get along publicly. And that is why in Asia one doesn’t have to try and change the system through a revolution as is so common in the West – one can simply opt out, in ways large and final or small and temporary.

    Which is why in Asia there are so many “escape valves” from the uptight and repressive nature of everyday official Confucian life, with its complex rules. The Japanese businessmen who become uproariously drunk several days a week and visit karaoke parlors and hostess clubs, the Chinese business party of the same type, and the prevalence of women who visit host clubs. And in this system as long as one fulfills ones official duties during the day, there is no stigma to getting blind drunk and passing out on the subway.

    And if one really gets fed up with the severe repressions of every day social life in a Confucian society, one abandons it all and becomes a carefree Taoist hermit wandering the hills and drinking wine, leaving all the petty politics and social nonsense behind. And this was more than an option – it was a venerable institution, similar to the Hindu practice of abandoning ones official duties and wandering the Himalaya after age 50.

    In Asia who you “truly” were was never confused with your social role, as in the West, and merely social rules and arrangements were never considered the “Logos”, as E.M Jones would have it.

    Gays in Asia have no need to revolt to change the social world – social rules are not the Logos but only a relative and pragmatic arrangement that there are many escapes from.

    Now if one told gays the very fabric of the universe, the Logos, is against them, and the social order cannot be relative and pragmatic but must represent this Logos, one can see why gays may feel a need to overturn the social order…..

    • Thanks: El Dato
  66. @Dmitry

    Wikipedia is naturally biased toward liberal perspectives, but I should note this from the link provided as well:

    The current Constitution of Japan, which was written during American occupation, defines marriage as exclusively between a man and a woman…In regards to the workplace, there are no anti-discrimination protections for LGBT employees. Employers play a visible role in reinforcing the Confucian tenets of marriage and procreation. Male employees are considered ineligible for promotions unless they marry and procreate

    So that norm seems to be there too.

    • Replies: @Znzn
  67. Znzn says:

    Well entertainers have historically been regarded as little better than harlots.

  68. Znzn says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Unless you speak Japanese and are that familiar with the nuances of Japanese culture you can never really tell, maybe ask Jared Taylor?

  69. mal says:
    @Znzn

    In that sense, your main problem is not freedom, it is literacy.

    West started going downhill not in 1648, but with Gutenberg and his printing press. That was like Facebook of the Medieval Age. Martin Luther would be a twitter troll these days.

    Before printing, you were either a peasant who did what priests told you from a book in a language you couldn’t understand, or if you wanted to be free, you started a crusade and went on your way to rape and pillage the Mediterranean. Good, simple times. Why? Because while you were free, the world was thankfully spared from your selfies during the Acra siege or whatever.

    Printing press changed that. Instead of just having ideas, which is what everybody did before, people started sharing them. And then, of course, lowest common denominator and all that. It was easier to adopt ideas delivered via pamphlet/tweet than to hold on and develop your own. Dumb people swelled the armies and the wars that followed resulted in a butchery the world hadn’t seen before.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  70. Dreadilk says:
    @Hartnell

    I don’t think Putinism is the last hurrah far from it. However you are right Russians are very liberal and a big part that is keeping them conservative is recent memory of the 1990s and non stop attacks by globohomo.

  71. Dreadilk says:
    @Hartnell

    Pure liberal retardation.

    Six years of Russia fighting the west and being sanctioned did Jack shit but annexing tiny Belarus would have it fall apart? More likely scenario is that Russia is quickly tiring or it’s old Empire lands and could give a flying fuck about Belarus. Most likely scenario is returning Russian majority lands to great internal approval.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  72. joni says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Everyone wants US military in their countries spreading COVID all over the place. Ukrainians don’t wear masks anyway.

    Well, the United States is almost at its weakest in a long time. Will Washington double down by grabbing more foreign territories while everything falls apart at home?

  73. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Well, until the great Crimean ripoff, and along with it the Donbas fiasco, things were at least manageable between Ukraine and Russia. And what the Maidan was about, for your information (no need to be in the dark any further), was a strong repudiation of Yanukovych and his corrupt administration. It was following his demise, and not Nuland’s “milk and cookies” routine on the Maidan that precipitated Russia’s raid and pillage into Ukraine. Well, they got rid of Yanukovych, but still have a ways to go in straightening out the corruption there – but they’ve taken a first big step by passing a big new anti-corruption law where “The Ukrainian government cleared an important anticorruption hurdle Wednesday when Parliament passed a bill preventing insiders from siphoning off international aid money through bank bailouts” just last month. The bill was uncharacteristically aimed at long time Zelensky crony and financial backer, Igor Kolomoisky.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/world/europe/ukraine-zelensky-corruption-kolomoisky.html

    • Replies: @Dreadilk
  74. Znzn says:

    Well for all that matters, East Asians are inherently less ornery and less individualistic, and more docile, than White people.

  75. @AaronB

    You were doing well, then you felt the need to contradict yourself mid-post.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  76. @mal

    Voltaire was right.

    • Agree: mal
  77. @EldnahYm

    Everything is heritable to a degree. There probably isn’t a unique single “gay geme” but there are most likely a cluster of different traits that – when combined – create a faggot

    • Replies: @Dreadilk
    , @EldnahYm
  78. Dreadilk says:
    @Mr. Hack

    It’s a pattern with Ukranians. They get fucked in the ass and then they have a maidan. Rinse and repeat.

    Your point about Yanukovich being repudiated really falls flat if you understand what I said.

    • Agree: neutral
    • Troll: Mr. Hack
  79. Dreadilk says:
    @Belarusian Dude

    It was mentioned earlier in the discussion and I agree with it. Gays are mostly made by sexual abuse. My gut tells me the gay gene if it exists is probably extremely rare. 1/100?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  80. neutral says:
    @mal

    The date is close, but 1657 was when it really started going downhill. That was when Cromwell allowed jews back into England.

    • Agree: Lowe
  81. @Dreadilk

    I don’t think it’s a single gene. It is likely an unfortunate combination of many genes that in different combinations are beneficial. Say, like the multitude of genes associated with schizophrenia. BTW, the fraction of genetically “gay” people is about the same as the fraction of schizophrenics in the population, about 2-3%.

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @Belarusian Dude
    , @EldnahYm
  82. @Daniel Chieh

    No, I think is more accurate to say that humanity is not exactly been equipped for this new social-media augmented life of rapid signals and status competition via symbols. Its a very novel noosphere of rather overwhelming crumbs of information and I don’t think we’ve evolved any defenses against it, since its a situation that we’ve never had to deal with before:

    Very much agree. Smartphones and social media sit at the front of these mass hysterias.

    While it’s a hard pill to swallow for those schooled in the liberal tradition — and I count myself as one — it’s getting clearer by the day that the only remedy is heavy censorship. The future belongs to blue-checks and deplatformers (of unclear politics).

    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  83. The virgin homo drone vs. the chad nationalist single-seater

    Plane has just flew over the Etihad, “White Lives Matter Burnley” wtf pic.twitter.com/BXzOxEbyCM— Emmett (@TheEmmett_) June 22, 2020

  84. @AaronB

    The amount of “side sex” that goes on in Asia is enormous, and what keeps the system stable in many ways.

    Its very similar to the European system until the Puritan Anglos become the dominant cultural influence.

    You sound very like Zizek here:

    That’s why I think another distinction has to be made here.

    We in the West, we are caught between two extremes.

    One the one hand, we claim we are totally open, permissive, no limits. On the other hand, we have the logic of political correctness, and so on, where almost everything becomes prohibited.

    We oscillate between the two, while these so much despised — criticized — other countries … maybe they have a much more subtle way of, like, instead of trying to regulate everything, they just leave some things in the shadow. Like homosexuality. You don’t talk about it, discreetly you do it — everything is OK.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIbcvsPKIzc [From 07:11]

    • Replies: @AaronB
  85. @Dreadilk

    Six years of Russia fighting the west and being sanctioned did Jack shit but annexing tiny Belarus would have it fall apart? More likely scenario is that Russia is quickly tiring or it’s old Empire lands and could give a flying fuck about Belarus. Most likely scenario is returning Russian majority lands to great internal approval.

    Have to agree. I don’t see what further sanctions could deter Russia from going into Belarus if she thought the circumstances pressing enough. These are 10 million diaspora Russians we are talking about.

  86. AaronB says:
    @Swedish Family

    Interesting, thanks.

    I think Zizek is correct here. I think societies need a Public Face and a Shadow – it doesn’t occupy the limelight, but it is completely accepted and a hugely important part of life – perhaps more important in some ways than the Public Face. The “Floating World” of the night of Japanese culture, where nothing is serious, a dream world, to counteract the deadly seriousness and complex rule and ritual of daylight life.

    The problem with the West is that we have rejected our Shadow – therefore, everyone competes over control of the Public Face. They have no choice. Hence constant revolution.

    The Japanese businessmen is expected to work incredibly long hours and devote incredible energy and loyalty to his company, but he gets to to cut loose with weekly drunken parties, patronize prostitutes without stigma, and no one despises him for being passed out in his suit in a pool of vomit on the subway, they help him and sympathize with him. At night, he gets to live in a dream world. During the day, the pressure is on, and it is deadly serious.

    In this way, the element of control and the element of freedom is harmonized, a certain balance is achieved…

    The American businessman? He is expected to work as hard as his Japanese counterpart, but drinking more than 1-2 drinks is heavily stigmatized…not to mention all the rest..

    So periodically there are revolutions in America.

    Where are the escape valves in American culture? They have been steadily closing since the 60s…

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  87. @mal

    In that sense, your main problem is not freedom, it is literacy.

    Well said. You cannot read propaganda if you cannot read.
    Of course, you are not the first galactic brain who made this observation.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  88. @Swedish Family

    While it’s a hard pill to swallow for those schooled in the liberal tradition — and I count myself as one — it’s getting clearer by the day that the only remedy is heavy censorship. The future belongs to blue-checks and deplatformers (of unclear politics).

    We need the exact opposite. Censorship will just lead to even bigger mass hysterias as the censors will erase “denial” and “conspiracy theories” to enforce an “authoritative” narrative. They will shield virtue signalers from negative feedback so that will get worse, too.

    The corona virus scare is a perfect example as we saw all the social media companies rush to delete videos and users that debunked the panic.

    • Replies: @Swedish Family
  89. @AnonFromTN

    Ukranian independence, baltic independence, georgian independence, independence of any FSU state is merely a symptom of power, what I call “small nation syndrome” that characterizes itself in small nations adopting the traits of larger nations from whom they seek protection. when the larger nation protecting it loses power, these small nations suddenly remember many ‘grievances’ they have and start shouting about ‘oppression’/’occupation’.

  90. @AnonFromTN

    It’s simpler: self-proclaimed Ukrainian nationalism is just a tool of globohomo, like Kurd independence. Only fools don’t see that for the Empire Ukrainian nationalism is exactly as disposable as a condom. Will be discarded whenever the Empire feels like it. Nothing new there: fools will be fooled, as always.

    For once I agree with you. It already happened to Finns, it’s happening to Balts now and Ukraine is showing the signs.

    All our nationalisms already had the problem that they were to a significant extent just tools and creations of Germany so they were always only meant to tear us away from Russia and not provide resistance to Germany. A lot of “patriots” haven’t updated their ideology since the world wars so they don’t have any plan beyond mindlessly obeying German designs and since occupied Germany is the heart of globohomo in Europe they end up thinking that Operation Barbarossa 2.0 will be fought under the rainbow flag.

    • Replies: @another anon
  91. AP says:
    @another anon

    Since we are quoting, Celine’s quote was much better:

    It’s the philosophers . . . another point to look out for while we’re at it … who first started giving the people ideas . . , when all they’d known up until then was the catechism! They began, so they proclaimed, to educate the people . . . Ah! What truths they had to reveal! Beautiful! brilliant! unprecedented truths! And the people were dazzled! That’s it! they said. That’s the stuff! Let’s go and die for it! The people are always dying to die! That’s the way they are! ‘Long live Diderot!’ they yelled. And ‘Long live Voltaire!’ ….And long live everybody! Those guys at least don’t let the beloved people molder in ignorance and fetishism! They show the people the roads of Freedom! Emancipation! Things went fast after that! First teach everybody to read the papers! That’s the way to salvation! Hurry hurry! No more illiterates! We don’t need them anymore! Nothing but citizen-soldiers! Who vote! Who read! And who fight! And who march! And send kisses from the front! In no time the people were good and ripe! The enthusiasm of the liberated has to be good for something, doesn’t it? Danton wasn’t eloquent for the hell of it. With a few phrases, so rousing that we can still hear them today, he had the people mobilized before you could say fiddlesticks! That was when the first battalions of emancipated maniacs marched off! … the first voting, flagmatic suckers that Dumouriez led away to get themselves drilled full of holes in Flanders!… The free-gratis soldier . . . was something really new … So new that when Goethe arrived in Valmy… he was flabbergasted. At the sight of those ragged, impassioned cohorts, who had come of their own free will to get themselves disemboweled by the King of Prussia in defense of a patriotic fiction no one had ever heard of, Goethe realized that he still had much to learn. This day,’ he declaimed grandiloquently as befitted the habits of his genius, ‘marks the beginning of a new era!’ He could say that again! The system proved successful . . . pretty soon they were mass-producing heroes, and in the end, the system was so well perfected that they cost practically nothing. Everyone was delighted. Bismarck, the two Napoleons, Barrès, Elsa the Horsewoman. The religion of the flag promptly replaced the cult of heaven, an old cloud which had already been deflated by the Reformation and reduced to a network of episcopal money boxes. In olden times the fanatical fashion was: ‘Long live Jesus! Burn the heretics!’ . . . But heretics, after all, were few and voluntary . . . Whereas today vast hordes of men are fired with aim and purpose by cries of: ‘Hang the limp turnips! The juiceless lemons! The innocent readers! By the millions, eyes right!’ … Let whole legions of them perish, turn into smidgens, bleed, smolder in acid—and all that to make the Patrie more beloved, more fair, and more joyful! ”

    • Replies: @AaronB
  92. AP says:
    @Ano4

    Well this is clearly what some people on Maidan were hoping for: that the change from pro-Russian orientation to a pro-EU/US orientation would make their lifes easier. But it did not materialize.

    After an economic crash in 2014-2015 Ukraine recovered, by the end of 2019 surpassing the pre-Maidan levels and achieving its highest per capita GDP in constant dollars since the 2008 crash:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=UA

    Relative to Russia, Ukraine erased several years of comparative decline; Ukraine’s per capita GDP compared to Russia’s was back to where it had been in 2011.

    The effects are magnified when you consider that the current Ukraine is without a region that accounted for 20% of Ukraine’s GDP despite having only 10% of Ukraine’s population. That is, to compare apples to apples you would have to subtract about 10% from the figures before 2014 in order to compare the per capita GDPs of the regions currently under Kiev’s authority to pre-2014.

    So for example, my relatives in central Ukraine, who are of modest means, took their first trips to Turkey and Egypt in 2019. This is no big deal for Russians of course, but the ability to travel abroad on vacation (even to cheap resorts) was a new and exciting thing for people from Ukraine.

    Visa-less travel to the EU and easy travel to Poland also made life easier and more lucrative for those seeking to work abroad.

    But Ukrainian elites put the whole plunge in the economy to war in Eastern Ukraine and pretend that it has nothing at all to do with severing the economic ties with Russia

    Increased trade with the West compensated for decreased trade with the East. However the benefits have of course been quite uneven. Eastern parts of Ukraine (those where most of the Russians, and where the Ukrainians have been more denationalized ) have suffered, while western and central parts populated by Ukrainians who often speak Ukrainian, have benefited.

    Unfortunately, policies geared for integration with Russia would benefit the eastern parts and those geared towards the West would benefit the western parts. One part of the country would be screwed, which one would depend on Ukraine’s geopolitical and economic orientation. Ultimately, whose interests should the Ukrainian state serve? The core nationality or the deracinated ones and “foreigners?”

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @NazBolFren
    , @AnonFromTN
  93. @Jaakko Raipala

    A lot of “patriots” haven’t updated their ideology since the world wars so they don’t have any plan beyond mindlessly obeying German designs and since occupied Germany is the heart of globohomo in Europe they end up thinking that Operation Barbarossa 2.0 will be fought under the rainbow flag.

    Indeed there are are many such people. At least on Twitter lunatic central.

    Of course, only non-binary LGBT riflepersons of color can be trusted with such task

  94. AaronB says:
    @AP

    Tao teh ching –

    The ancient Masters
    didn’t try to educate the people,
    but kindly taught them to not-know.

    When they think that they know the answers,
    people are difficult to guide.
    When they know that they don’t know,
    people can find their own way.

    If you want to learn how to govern,
    avoid being clever or rich.
    The simplest pattern is the clearest.
    Content with an ordinary life,
    you can show all people the way
    back to their own true nature.

  95. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    After an economic crash in 2014-2015 Ukraine recovered, by the end of 2019 surpassing the pre-Maidan levels and achieving its highest per capita GDP in constant dollars since the 2008 crash

    Ukrainian per capita GDP in 2013: 3,968.8$

    Ukrainian per capita GDP in 2019: 3,592.17$

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/296152/ukraine-gross-domestic-product-per-capita/

    Am I missing something?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AP
  96. @AP

    By your own link Ukraine had not returned to pre-2014 levels of growth by 2018. Also, Ukraine is poorer (smaller GDP/capita) than Albania, despite having a larger population and land mass. Also, Ukranian growth means nothing, as it grew from a crash/such a low level that going lower was essentially impossible.

    Ukraine is poorer than Algeria, and about the same level of GDP/capita as bolivia. That is just sad. LOL

    • Agree: Ano4
    • Replies: @AP
  97. @Ano4

    Am I missing something?

    Of course, you are. You are missing wishful thinking.

  98. @AP

    By your logic, Ukraine would be better off dividing itself into two countries, each going its own way. However, due to Maidan success, there are going to be more than two shards now.

  99. I am not optimistic about Russia’s ability to resist American soft power and join the Woke brigade. Russia imports and shows many America’s movies, it has no censorship of questionable elements (for example Black Flag in russia did not censor all the gay scenes), Russian women have adopted the Instahoe lifestyle, and acted like giant whores during the World Cup. In the West, many Russian women begin to watch ‘educational material’ on racism and posting stories in support of BLM, and they buy into ideas of ‘harrassment’ and feminism in general. Finally, you see Russian companies like Yandex going pozzed by firing an Uber driver for refusing to drive a negro.

    Young women are the most susceptible portion of the population to ‘wokeness’. Once a critical mass of women is reached, the men follow suit to try to get some of that sweet sweet pussy.

    This is why Russia needs to shut down the Internet and creates its own ‘Great Firewall’.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @216
    , @neutral
  100. @NazBolFren

    Frankly, I don’t know a single Russian of any gender here in the US who’d approve of current mayhem. To be honest, I don’t know a single Ukrainian in the US guilty of this idiocy, or a single Jew from former USSR. The Russians I know in the RF don’t approve of it, either. Many remember that peasants in the Russian Empire were freed in 1861, the same year the slaves in the US were freed. Virtually no one blames his/her current problems on the fact that 160 years ago their ancestors were not free. What’s more, they’d consider a person with this attitude a hopeless piece of shit. They’d be right, if you ask me.

    • Replies: @NazBolFren
  101. @AnonFromTN

    I know many Russian speaking girls in Med school or working in big cities like Toronto that buy into the globohomo/feminist agenda and talk about how they want equality with their boyfriends, talk about how women were historically oppressed, etc. I also briefly dated a ukranian woman that said she spends her evenings watching ‘educational material’ on BLM and racism. Maybe this was because she came from Ukraine as a student at 17 without her parents? But this attitude has been fairly pervasive.

    The Russian speaking girls in med school are a shit show – one i know has a dictatorial streak and never admits fault, rumor has it she has participated in false rape charges against men (and i believe it judging by her personality), and had a falling out with her class where she demanded people send her verifications of her identity on a class whatsapp group. Maybe its just her being a medic that makes her so dysfunctional – after all, I have observed many female medics in US/CAN are particularly dysfunctional. But maybe that’s just me.

    What you write is true for males, but I do not think it applies to females – who seem to try to assimilate into the broader culture unless they end up dating a russian guy and subsequently adopt his attitdues.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  102. @NazBolFren

    Medicine is likely part of it: in the US (Canada is in many ways the 51st state) medical profession is overpaid, so it attracts more shit than many other professions. Only finance and law attracts even greater fraction of scum. Second, in general Canada appears to be more cucked than the most libtard-infested states in the US. No one I know is in medicine or in Canada. My sample is hardly statistically valid, though: ~ 25-30 Russians, 5-10 Ukrainians, and 5-10 Jews, about half of which have PhDs in real science (not BS “studies”).

    • Thanks: NazBolFren
    • Replies: @NazBolFren
  103. @AnonFromTN

    Out of curiosity though – how many of these russian-speakers that you know are young people? Perhaps young people think differently than their parents/older Russian people (millenials vs zoomers for example)?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Passer by
  104. 216 says:
    @NazBolFren

    I am not optimistic about Russia’s ability to resist American soft power and join the Woke brigade.

    Well, if the US rips itself apart, the power of the US Culture Industry will suffer a precipitous decline. Someone will fill that gap, probably China.

    Young women are the most susceptible portion of the population to ‘wokeness’

    Young men are the most susceptible to pornography.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @NazbolFren
  105. @NazBolFren

    Yes, that’s a factor. Most of the people I know are older than 40. Still, only those older than 50 remember Soviet Union, the rest were too young when it disintegrated. Maybe 5-7 of my acquaintances are between 20 and 30, none under 20.

  106. @216

    Young men are the most susceptible to pornography.

    You may be right, but I don’t understand it. In my day watchers were usually those who can’t do it, being either too young or too old.

  107. AP says:
    @Ano4

    Ukrainian per capita GDP in 2013: 3,968.8$

    Ukrainian per capita GDP in 2019: 3,592.17$

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/296152/ukraine-gross-domestic-product-per-capita/

    Am I missing something?

    Currency devaluation affects the nominal GDP. I linked to GDP PPP and should have stated that in my post, though.

    That having been said, when looking at the same specific provinces (Ukraine minus Donbas in 2013 vs. current Ukraine, which is without Donbas) you’d have to subtract about 10% which gets you about the same GDP per capita now as then, despite the currency devaluation.

    BTW Russia also had a problem with currency devaluation. From your same source:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/263777/gross-domestic-product-gdp-per-capita-in-russia/

    Russian per capita GDP in 2013: $15,942.15

    Russian per capita GDP in 2019: $11,162.65

    From the perspective of nominal GDP per capita, taking Crimea was much worse for Russia than Maidan was for Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  108. AP says:
    @NazBolFren

    By your own link Ukraine had not returned to pre-2014 levels of growth by 2018.

    In 2019 it did.

    Also, Ukraine is poorer (smaller GDP/capita) than Albania, despite having a larger population and land mass.

    It was poorer than Albania before Maidan; this hasn’t changed.

    Also, Ukranian growth means nothing, as it grew from a crash/such a low level that going lower was essentially impossible.

    Under Yanukovich it had been stagnant. After Maidan it grew.

    Ukraine is poorer than Algeria, and about the same level of GDP/capita as bolivia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    Ukraine’s GDP PPP per capita for 2020 (prior to coronavirus) was $10,130.
    Bolivia’s GDP PPP per capita for 2020 (prior to coronavirus) was $8,525.

    That is just sad. LOL

    The result of Ukraine not going all-in towards the West as did its neighbors Poland and Romania.

    As I posted before, there were three approaches taken by Ukraine’s neighbors after 1991:

    1. Integration with Europe (Poland, Romania)

    2. Integration with Russia (Belarus)

    3. Integration with neither Europe nor Russia, but mostly with a Russocentric elite (Ukraine, Moldova)

    (1) has been the most successful. Those countries that did it are now 3 times wealthier than Ukraine.

    (2) was better but not as good as (1). Belarus is about 2 times wealthier than Ukraine.

    I find it hard to believe, but it appears that wages in Ukraine have now surpassed those of Belarus:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    Though they are still 1.5x higher in Belarus when adjusting for cost of living.

    Maybe this explains unrest in Belarus?

    • Replies: @Denis
    , @NazbolFren
  109. Denis says:
    @AP

    1.5x higher wages in Belarus (adjusted for CoL) explains unrest in… Belarus?

    • Replies: @AP
  110. AP says:
    @Denis

    1.5x higher wages in Belarus (adjusted for CoL) explains unrest in… Belarus?

    This ratio with Ukraine has been constant but wages in Belarus fell behind Ukraine’s.

  111. @Hyperborean

    All true. Plus Brexit is accelerating Scottish independence and the break up of the UK. “Brexit” was never really about UK sovereignty, it was a scheme cooked up by billionaires to turn London into an offshore unregulated tax haven. In that sense it has been a success.

  112. @another anon

    I noticed this living in Japan as well. “Educated” middle class Japanese have almost no personality, they all have the same nipponcentric world view as if they were stamped from a mold. Lower class Japanese are oblivious to the dominant ideology, very open and friendly, and have actual personalities.

  113. neutral says:
    @NazBolFren

    In the West, many Russian women begin to watch ‘educational material’ on racism and posting stories in support of BLM

    You need to take that bitch to Chicongo or Detroit, if they are truly woke deranged then take them to Lagos (seriously the place is hell), it will convert even most fanatic of believers.

  114. @Daniel Chieh

    …we should eventually evolve to handle it.

    There’s no such thing as ‘evolution’. Elephants don’t turn into whales if you throw them into the ocean. Human beings don’t “evolve to handle” obesity if you feed them unlimited carbohydrates; they’d simply die out. Feeding chimps raw gazelle meat and expecting them to turn into wolves is insanity.

  115. El Dato says:

    Remove Eurointegrators from premises!

    It would be worth it, just to see the crying Eurocrats howling about Nazis on TV (in between top-important Sports News) and read through pompous “statements” and “findings” issued by the European Parliament.

  116. If you are doing a post on the situation of Belarus, I am wondering how China could be incorporated into any Russian strategy to retain Belarus within the Russia sphere of influence?

    China has Belt and Road projects in Belarus in logistics and manufacturing. Some of the railway freight lines from China to Europe that are becoming a symbol of the Belt and Road pass through Belarus and Great Stone Park is envisioned as a manufacturing hub. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Belarus_Industrial_Park Could cheap Russian gas and focused Belt and Road construction together help solidify the Russian-Belarus union?

    Overall though Central and Eastern Europe (“17+1”) is not among the highest priority corridors in the BRI. The most active activity is found in Pakistan, Southeast Asia, eastern half of Central Asia, and sub-Sahara Africa. It would be another pathway for Russia and China to build up ties if China could make Eastern Europe at least a priority. Much better geopolitical use of BRI resources than sub-Sahara Africa.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  117. El Dato says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I always thought that Belarus & Russia are “one country”, far more than The Ukraine (basically two or more countries mashed up in one) & Russia. Anti-Russian activities in Belarus? Really?

    joint military exercises with NATO

    Before that, there will be Anschluss, and with good cause.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Felix Keverich
  118. Passer by says:
    @NazBolFren

    This is russian person in the US making popular videos. If you notice the russians in the comments, including those living in the US, are negative to BLM.

    It is true that Canada is more liberal than many other western countries. College educated people as a sample account for no more than 40 % of people. And people with advanced degrees (Med School) are more liberal than people with bachelor degrees, according to polls. So this is one of the most liberal samples in a country that is more liberal on average.

    I heard from various sources that russian migrants made Israel more right wing for example, as well as that russians in Germany have been more conservative and supportive of AfD.

    Imo cultural and immigrant exchange between Russia and Anglo countries will decrease over time, as Russia moves towards closer ties with Eurasia.

    For example most russian tourists right now visit non-western countries, most tourists visiting Russia are again from non-western countries, easy e-visas are not allowed for the US, UK and Canada, but allowed for other countries, and the economy is moving away from western countries. Which also means that businessmen are becoming more dependent on the trade with non-western countries.

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  119. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    I am aware of the deep impact the Western sanctions and the fall of oil and gas prices had on Russian Federation. I know that devaluation is one of the ways to mitigate this. Everyone in Russia is aware that there is a crisis and none pretends otherwise.

    There is an economic war waged by the Atlanticist West against Russia. Ukraine is just a tool in that war.

    My opinion is: Russia did all it could to fit in the Globalized West between 1993 and 2007, but has received no reciprocity whatsoever. It took nearly a generation for Russians to realize by 2011 that no one would accept them among the “Золотой Миллиард” and let them live as “Белые Люди”.

    “Наш Дом Европа” proclamed under Gorby revealed itself as just a silly dream, because nobody was expecting Russians with open arms in EU and NATO . They will always be treated as the “Slav undermenshen”, which is if course the traditional Western stereotype, only overcome for a brief period of time, when Russian cossacks make their horses drink in la Seine, or Russian T34 wreak havoc and bring mayhem to Unter den Linden.

    In the eyes of an average Westerner, Eastern Slavs in general and Russians specifically, will always be seen with suspicion and scorn, as subpar Europeans, only fit at best to get killed in Western wars, sell their natural resources for cheap, provide their best and brightest as brain-drain power for Western science and technology in Western Universities, while their less gifted and educated are toiling as gastarbeiters, including their women selling themselves as sex slaves in foreign brothels,

    Speaking of which, do they count the Ukrainian gastarbeiters income in the Ukrainian GDP?

    • Agree: Blinky Bill, mal
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    , @AP
  120. Ano4 says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Much better geopolitical use of BRI resources than sub-Sahara Africa.

    BRI is also about access to natural resources. Africa is still replete with these.

  121. Ano4 says:
    @El Dato

    Before that, there will be Anschluss, and with good cause.

    Not so sure about this. Russia will not fail in the same trap twice. It was idiotic enough to get involved into the Ukrainian mess in 2014, but it will probably not be foolish enough to repeat this mistake in Belarus.

    My take is, Russia starts to realize that there is a whole World outside the Western Europe and the Anglosphere. 2/3 of Russian territory lies in Asia, maybe Russians should really ponder upon this. This is where the future economic growth must be materialized.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Troll: Felix Keverich
  122. @Ano4

    Natural resources is somewhere among the top goals. Specifically resource security. If the US and US allies ever impose sanctions that block shipment of natural resources like oil or iron ore to China, there will be at least be Chinese owned mines and oil fields in Africa that continue to ship the resources in spite of sanction pressure. But Asia also has natural resources and a China-Russia political alliance would not only ensure access to resources even during a crisis with the US but also encourage the neutrality of most countries in Asia during the crisis. A China-Russia combo looks like a tough nut to crack.

    The largest component of the China-Africa relationship has been loans for infrastructure rather than investment in natural resources. Something like $150 billion has been lent over the past 15 years by the policy banks alone. Most of the funds don’t go to developing mines directly, but rather fund construction of road and power projects. There is a geopolitical dividend to this lending. Africa is more likely to side with China during a crisis. But it’s mostly done to drive contractor profits as Chinese loans require a Chinese general contractor to lead the construction project. In any case, the China-Africa relationship would be on solid ground even with less than half of the money put in over the last 20 years. Maybe the relationship would be healthier with less as China would not become such a big target for debt relief as it is now. The China-Russia relationship needs more financial resources to convince Russia to be more enthusiastic and it is a lot more geopolitically useful than the China-Africa relationship ever could be. I think China-Africa has been a bad use of resources especially given other directions that could have been taken.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Ano4
  123. @Ano4

    Thank you Ano4 for such a brilliant comment. Russia and this blog desperately need more like you.

    [MORE]

    • Thanks: Ano4
    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
    , @Ano4
  124. Ano4 says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    Maybe the Chinese government and people are not sure about Russian government and people being reliable allies?

    I am pretty confident that both countries and their people might benefit immensely from synergies derived from a thoughtful collaboration. But maybe past grievances and current stereotypes prevent them from realizing the potential of a full engagement into a long lasting strategic alliance.

    Anyway, with the West seemingly hell bent on wrecking misery on itself and others, there is little possibility that China and Russia would have any alternative other than joining their forces to face the Western-derived degeneracy. Last time this happened was in the 1935 – 1955 ies period. Soviet Russia was the strongest ally at the time, now it is Chinese turn to be at the helm.

  125. @El Dato

    You better believe it. Just listen to what opposition politicians are saying. Heck, Armenia is conducting joint exercises with NATO to repel “Russian aggression” in the Caucasus. Even as they continue to demand cheaper gas. For the various post-Soviet mongrels, it’s their idea of “multi-vector foreign policy”.

  126. @Blinky Bill

    Disagree. This Ano4 guy sounds like he would be right at home with Saker’s crowd. Another obnoxious “Russophile”.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  127. orionyx says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Ban it altogether? Excellent suggestion! Make sodomy an absolute disqualification for holding any public office, any job dealing with children, any access to means to promote the repellent ideas of homosexuality. Couple it with relentless propaganda exposing the actual practices of male homosexuals in particular, and the facts of the impact of the lifestyle on morbidity and mortality. Make the promotion of homosexuality a criminal offense, with long sentences and punitive fines.

    One can dream!

  128. Ano4 says:
    @Blinky Bill

    It was June 22nd yesterday. My grandfather fought during the Leningrad blockade on the Oranienbaum bridgehead. He survived and worked a lot in his field to make his country better.

    He was of Orthodox Polish/Ruthenian descent on his mother side, Russian and Ukrainian descent on his father’s side. He never saw Russians and Ukrainians as separate ethnicities and he was quite sympathetic to Poles. He was born in Debaltsevo and fortunately enough did not live to see the current disgrace

    I remember once the Swedish team was playing a hockey game against Poland and Poles were losing it badly. My grandpa was rooting for the Polish team while I was taking for the Three Crowns. I asked him why did he take for the Poles who played so lamely, he answered: “because they are Slav”. I told him “but they have oppressed Ukrainians and invaded Moscow back in the day”. And he answered: “If Lyakhi invade us again we will teach them a lesson again, until then they are our brothers “.

    He was a brave man and good person. I hope God will rest his soul forever for all the hardships he endured.

    • Replies: @AP
  129. Ano4 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    What is so obnoxious about my comments?

    Could you be more specific please?

    Show me where I am wrong and I will be grateful, for I am always willing to learn from anyone who has a better understanding.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  130. AP says:
    @Ano4

    My anti-Russian grandmother was rooting for team Russia against team USA in some Olympic basketball game back in the 90s. Because, in her words, “those are humans.”

    • Replies: @Ano4
  131. AP says:
    @Ano4

    I am aware of the deep impact the Western sanctions and the fall of oil and gas prices had on Russian Federation.

    My point was that when currency devalues like that, you get a false view of how rich or poor a country really is when looking at nominal GDP. Russia is not really 25% poorer now than it was in 2013, as suggested by the difference in nominal per capita GDP. In fact, it’s about the same when measuring GDP PPP per capita in constant 2017 dollars:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=RU

    $26,669 in 2018, $26,603 in 2013 (in 2019 it would be higher)

    Likewise with Ukraine.

    There is an economic war waged by the Atlanticist West against Russia. Ukraine is just a tool in that war.

    Perhaps from the perspective of the West – as were Poland, Hungary, etc. But from the perspective of Poland, Baltics, the rest of Visegrad, and Ukraine the West is a also a tool that provides liberation from Moscow’s grip and improved prosperity. Agency does not belong only to the stronger party. Each seeks its advantage.

    If Russia chooses to become China’s junior partner, does this mean it is merely a tool of China?

    Speaking of which, do they count the Ukrainian gastarbeiters income in the Ukrainian GDP?

    I’m not sure. Not directly:

    https://www.quora.com/Does-GDP-include-remittance

    GDP — Refers to Gross Domestic Product, which accounts for the goods and sevices produced within the country during that particular financial year taken in consideration. Remittance does not figure in the above given definition so it is not included.

    https://economics.stackexchange.com/questions/383/where-do-remittances-come-into-play-in-the-formula-for-gdp#:~:text=1%20Answer&text=Gross%20domestic%20product%20(GDP)%20is,by%20Output%20using%20this%20formula.&text=While%20remittances%20can%20be%20a,it%20does%20affect%20GNP%20though.

    Gross domestic product (GDP) is the total value of output in an economy, this can be measured only by Output using this formula.

    This method uses GDP = C + I + G + (X-M) where

    C: Consumption (Household spending)
    I: Investments
    G: Government spending
    X: Exports from an economy
    M: Imports into an economy

    The remittances that you mention about are not made against any services. While remittances can be a source of GDP growth by increasing household consumption, it does not directly add to GDP, it does affect GNP though.

    :::::::::::::::

    Money sent home does make a difference indirectly, if it is used to increase production of goods and services (i.e, if money sent home is spent on more Ukrainian-made shoes and refrigerators, resulting in increased shoe and refrigerator production within Ukraine). But the money itself isn’t counted. Nor are stuff like returning to Ukraine with a car one has bought in Germany while working there.

    • Replies: @mal
  132. @Ano4

    What is so obnoxious about my comments?

    Thinking you know better than Russians themselves about what Russian national interests should be. Stop.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  133. @AP

    What makes you think it was integration with europe that made poland and romania richer? Both greece and italy are integrated with europe and broke. As is Bulgaria and most of the Balkans. How do we lnow Ukraine wont head the same direction.

    Also, keep in mind that the only reason Poland is doing well is because of massive subsidies from Germany. The moment these end, Poland will become dysfunctional.

    Finally Ukraine grew because it was impossible for it to go down anymore, it didnt grow because of maidan, but because of how broke it is. When you start from a low number, it is possible to only go up. Hardly an indication of ukraine doing well or maidan being effective

    • Replies: @AP
  134. @Passer by

    Its very confusing – on one hand, if Russians made israel more right wing and support AfD in Germany, why are they not doing the same in Canada? There is a large Russian/Russian Jewish diaspora in Toronto, to such an extent that its possible to not hear any English – but what I am seeing is Russian and Ukranian girls getting pozzed, shaking their ass by dancing to negro music (and they still have ties to the Motherland bc they go back to Kamchatka every summer) and go for negros and local Canadian dudes.

    What I am curious abt is if these right wing attitudes you mention is primairly amongst men – but women are likely different…i hope im wrong though

    • Replies: @Passer by
  135. @216

    Yes, young men are more susceptible to pornography (though from what I am hearing, young women are beinning to get into it too), but women are susceptible to the dominant cultural influences it seems like. But i suspect if they have a guy they like enough, they will mold their personality to mirror his opinions.

    • Replies: @216
  136. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    What makes you think it was integration with europe that made poland and romania richer?

    LOL.

    Poland, Romania, Ukraine and Belarus were all about equally poor in 1990, and poorer than Russia.

    In 2019 Poland and Romania (who joined Europe) became richer than Russia itself , and three times richer than Ukraine.

    Belarus (who integrated with Russia) remained poorer than Russia, but was two times richer than Ukraine.

    Ukraine, who integrated with no one (like Moldova) fell far behind everyone.

    So it is obvious which approach was most effective.

    Also, keep in mind that the only reason Poland is doing well is because of massive subsidies from Germany. The moment these end, Poland will become dysfunctional.

    LOL. And Romania?

    Finally Ukraine grew because it was impossible for it to go down anymore,

    LOL.

    After 2014 it was still a lot richer than in the 1990s.

    And by late 2018 it was richer than it had been under Yanukovich.

    When you start from a low number, it is possible to only go up.

    Like in 1993, when Ukraine’s per capita GDP was lower than in 2013 in constant dollars? LOL.

    It kept falling:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.KD?locations=UA

    But in 2015 it started rising. And beat the Yanukovich-era level.

  137. @AP

    In 2019 Poland and Romania (who joined Europe) became richer than Russia itself , and three times richer than Ukraine.

    I don’t agree with the notion that Poles and Romanias are richer than Russians – higher wages in these countries are offset by higher taxes and cost of living. Eastern Europe is generally unlivable today, which is why they all try to flee en masse.

  138. mal says:
    @AP

    If Russia chooses to become China’s junior partner, does this mean it is merely a tool of China?

    If Russia begs China to station Chinese troops in Kaliningrad, and then invades Nigeria together with China because Chinese made up some lies about Nigerians launching nukes into Beijing, absolutely.

    I mean, Poland invaded Iraq in 2003. In which universe did 2003 Iraq pose any sort of threat to the security of Poland that would warrant an invasion? When was Saddam planning on occupying Warsaw? This doesn’t even make sense at the superficial level, it is so absurd. Poland invaded Iraq because it is a vassal province of US based empire, and they were given an order, and they obeyed. There was nothing more to it, no other Polish national or security interest. Same will be with Ukraine and the rest.

    Generally, Eastern Europe serves as a money laundering center for US arms manufacturers and politicians (see Bidens), and a meat shield/cannon fodder against Russia, or other imperial adventures. Calling them a tool would probably overstate their importance.

    • Agree: NazbolFren, Ano4
  139. @AnonFromTN

    The real number of gays os far less, most gays in Western countries are just told they are as such or find it cool to have said identity.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  140. @AP

    Both Poland and Romania recieve substantial EU subsidies and are dysfunctional otherwise.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.rferl.org/amp/1104315.html

    Poland has been indicted numerous times from misusing EU funds and runs a scam on the EU – but dysfunctional otherwise.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/22/poland-hungary-eu-states-abusing-law

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-poland-spending-judicial-funding-rule-law-morawiecki-a9298226.html%3famp

    https://www.europeanpressprize.com/article/misuse-eu-funds-messerschmidts-foundations-investigated-fraud/

    The point is this – there is no guarentee that ukraine will become like Poland and Romania (who joined EU a long time ago and are essentially propped up by foreign money) and wont become like Greece. In fact, the latter seems more likely given how ukraine is still poorer than Albania despite being an EU special partner.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-01-18/how-the-eu-plans-to-punish-hungary-and-poland

    Given EUs new rulings to punish Poland and Hungary – Ukraine wont be able to run the same scam as Poland/Slovakia/Hungary/Romania, etc. So there is actually no guarentees it wont go the way of Greece.

    You cant compare 1993 to modern day – in 1993 there was no knowledge of how to run an economy and little foreign support plus theft of state resources and crime. Things have stabilized now and every period of stability results in growth.

    Also, Ukraine was the richest post-Soviet republic in 1990, far richer than Belarus/Poland/Romania (which where not SSRs) and still managed to become the poorest LOL

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Mikel
  141. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I don’t agree with the notion that Poles and Romanias are richer than Russians – higher wages in these countries are offset by higher taxes and cost of living.

    These equalize things somewhat, but Poles and Romanians are still ahead. Compare GDP per capita PPP.

    Russian wealth is unevenly distributed of course – the Moscow region is wealthier than any country in Eastern Europe, and wealthier than many Western European countries.

    Eastern Europe is generally unlivable today, which is why they all try to flee en masse.

    Nonsense.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  142. @Felix Keverich

    Don’t know about Poland and Romania, but Hungary, including Budapest, certainly looks poorer than even provincial Russian cities. In contrast to Russian supermarkets, their grocery stores either don’t have expensive high-quality sausage, or have just a tiny piece: apparently, the public cannot afford expensive stuff, and buys cheap crap. Not to mention high-quality and expensive smoked fish: abundant in Russian supermarkets, including provinces, and totally absent in Hungary. Also, the prices in touristy areas of Budapest are 2-3 times higher than where regular people live – a sure sign of the 3rd world.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Jazman
    , @Europe Europa
  143. @Mr. Hack

    Don’t buy it. A true assault on the plutocratic elite who rule us would include, well, an actual physical assault on them in their homes.

    When angry mobs reach the homes of the billionaires, overpower security, scale fences and walls, burn them to the ground, and drag out anyone whom they find to be killed, then we can call it an assault on the elite. I am talking, of course, about George Soros, Mark Zuckerberg (Facebook), Bill Gates, the Sacklers, the Pritzkers, Larry Page and Sergey Brin (Google), Michael Bloomberg, the various Koches, Shelly Adelson, Stevie Schwartzmann (“investor”), the three scumbags who own Air BnB (worth $4 billion each) — and yes, smaller fry like Nancy Pelosi and Donald Trump.

    Until then, it’s just a bunch of property damage that neither frightens nor deters them from continuing their exploitation and control of us all. They get paid by insurers and they get bailed out by the federal government and the “Federal” Reserve.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  144. Passer by says:
    @NazbolFren

    Again, have you checked the comments under diaspora russian videos in the US? They, including the women, are generally negative to the protests.

    Ola La
    Сделали национального героя посмертно, из уголовника рецедивиста.

    Лариса Лариса
    мир перевернулся , преступник рецидивист герой . Не ужели в США мало думающих людей как Вы ?? Такое впечатление что все под кайфом или каким то гипнозом и массовой истерией сейчас .

    Виктория Донская
    У белых меньше прав,чем у черных, белые, к сожалению,вырождаются.

    Надежда Чалых
    А кто же выделил деньги на плакаты с изображением Флойда. Это же бешенные деньги.

    Ирина Бондаренко
    лютер кинг в гробу перевернулся видя таких героев

    Елена Ленина
    Человек тыкавший пистолет в живот беременной женщине , стал святым

    Elena Griko
    И из за этого черного говна такая заваруха?? Надо медаль дать тому полицейскому который его придушил….

    Марина Акулова
    что-то перед индейцами на колени не становятся. или истребили всех?

    Natalia Khazizova
    Я в шоке от того что происходит, борьба за власть! Я буду голосовать за Трампа.

    Lia Spring
    Уже тошнит от этой черноты в новостях . :((((((((((((((((((

    Светлана Зайцева
    Саша!Сделай обзор -досье полицейского,убивший негра…

    Анатолия Александр
    Какова страна – таковы и герои

    Альбина Анохина
    Да уж! Преступник рецидивист, и вдруг – “икона” для почитания и преклонения? Пожалуй, я поверю прогнозам тех, кто уверяет, что у этой страны нет будущего.

    Рада Соколова
    То же самое, что показано в фильме “Хвост виляет собакой” или “Плутовство” с Робертом де Ниро и Дастином Хофманом

    Tisha Red
    “Королевство кривых зеркал”, где жабы и уроды подаются как герои и образец нравственности

    Галина Шерстянкина
    Спасибо, Саня за правду!!!

    Katya Novotny
    Черные любят провоцировать копов и белых , а когда получают отпор , то орут- ” расизм”

    Mia Samhi
    Отличный разбор полета “ангела” Флойда…. Очень низко летал парень

    Marina Sher
    2 weeks ago
    Саша пожалуйста расскажите о настоящем герое , который погиб от мародеров . И к сожалению об нем никто не говорит !!!! Это бывший полицейский которому 74 года и КОТОРЫЙПРИШЕЛ К СВОЕМУ ДРУГУ ЧТОБ ПОМОЧЬ ЕМУ ЗАЩИТИТЬ СВОЙ БИЗНЕС !!!!!! И его мародеры подонки УБИЛИ !!!!! Вот где надо преклонять колено , называть его именем улицы , назначать студентам стипендию в честь его , возводить ЗОЛОТЫЕ памятники в честь его ВО ВСЕМ МИРЕ , и при этом НИКОГДА НЕ СНОСИМЫЕ , семье дать несколько миллионов долларов за то что они потеряли настоящую жемчужину ЗОЛОТОГО СЕРДЦА!!!!! ВОТ ЭТОТ ЧЕЛОВЕК НАСТОЯЩАЯ ПОТЕРЯ ДЛЯ ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСТВА!

    Pauline Chernykh
    “К сожалению у него были дети” ахахахахахах

    Margarita Najaryan
    Спасибо большое вам за правду! Я сама живу в Лос-Анджелесе и я тоже в ужасе, преступник стал «героем», который поменял Мир. Куда идём , не могу поверить своим ушам и глазам,.Дьяволы в обличии людей устраивают резню из за власти.Все делается, чтобы Трамп не прошёл.Живем в эпоху Сатанистов😈👹

    Лида Черепанова
    Да, не хотелось бы с таким «хорошим человеком» встретиться в темном переулке. Которого хоронят как героя.

    Nataly Vihrova
    Когда включила видео с похорон флойда, сначала подумала, что случайно на сериал нажала, а не, праильна все, похоронное шоу. Позолоченный гроб, какой-то мужик белый на коленях в истерике, оказалось мэр. Должность себе выплакивал, куда они дальше там идут?😀 все какой-то сюр и фарс. Блевотня, крче. Даже скучно.
    Саня, поздравляем с соточкой, смотрим вас каждый день с удовольствием, спасибо!

    inna medlock
    Спасибо!

    tatjana rozentale
    Спасибо за честность!

    Мишель Делонг
    Короче,всех чер…пых на корабль и в Африку, крутить слонам хвосты.

    Jane Halloran
    soglasna so vsem skazannim. Super video!
    I . konechno, cirk chto mer NY stoit pered zolotim grobom ugolovnika i plachet!

    Julia Kraftmann
    Эх, какого человека потеряла Америка. Его еще в лики святых занесут, вот увидите.)

    Natalia Fedoseeva
    Есть ли фонды для семей полицейских погибших во время протестов?

    CrossTheRoadRider
    Саша, вам надо продублировать это видео на английском. Люди просто реально не в курсе. Они верят, что им говорят.

    Dunno what else to say. In countries, there are more liberal and less liberal areas (Toronto is more liberal), and more liberal and less liberal samples (people in college are more liberal).

    • Thanks: NazbolFren
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  145. @Belarusian Dude

    Maybe. For PC reasons no objective studies of the fraction of gays in the population or genetic traits that associate with this disorder are possible in the West. So, there is no data available. Western propaganda is not interested in the truth that contradicts the myths it promotes.

    Although I think you underestimate the revulsion that same sex relations cause in healthy adults. When I was a post-doc, there was an American male post-doc in the lab who said that if he ever became trans-sexual, he’d be a lesbian: the thought of another male makes him puke.

  146. @Daniel Chieh

    It is by no means “fine” for sexual deviants to be paraded in front of our children as cool, entertaining, funny. They are fundamentally psychologically and spiritually disordered, genetic dead ends who breed nothing but disease.

    Allowing homosexuals or the mentally ill (“transgenders”) to be applauded and enriched as “entertainers” certainly influences young people towards these sick “lifestyles”, exactly as intended.

    Don’t let them get a foot in the door of “entertainment” or education, both of which function effectively as indoctrination.

  147. @AP

    I don’t believe that millions of Eastern Europeans travel to Germany to work in sweatshops, because they enjoy living in a dorm and working in a sweatshop. Poles and Romanians are forced into this behavior by extreme deprivation.

    Eastern Europe is nobody’s idea of prosperity, except for malnutritioned Galicians maybe. 😂

    • Replies: @AP
  148. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    Also, Ukraine was the richest post-Soviet republic in 1990 far richer than Belarus/Poland/Romania

    Nonsense, as are most of the things you write and believe.

    Ukraine was the poorest of all of these in 1990, although they were all about equal (except Russia, which was a lot richer than the rest) in 1990):

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-RU-PL-RO-BY

    Per capita GDP (nominal):

    In 1990:

    Russia: $3,485

    Belarus: $2,124
    Poland: $1,734
    Romania:$1,680
    Ukraine:$1,569

    2018:

    Poland: $15,422

    Romania: $12,306
    Russia: $11,289

    Belarus: $6,330

    Ukraine: $3,095

    ::::::::::::::

    GDP per capita PPP:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=UA-RU-PL-RO-BY

    In 1990:

    Russia: $8,010

    Ukraine: $6,790
    Poland: $6,173
    Romania: $5,270
    Belarus: $5,239

    2018:

    Poland: $31,755
    Romania: $29,061
    Russia: $28,556

    Belarus: $19,345

    Ukraine: $9.249

    :::::::::

    Bad for Ukraine that it was mostly ruled by its Russian-speaking Soviet comprador elite.

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  149. @Mr. Hack

    The same powers that allow and encourage mass violence, looting, vandalism, and terrorizing of white people, small-business owners, and all decent people by Only Black Lives Matter and their mercenary or self-hating non-black helpers … imposed the phony-pandemic lockdowns on us.

    The result of the lockdowns? Just coincidentally, small family restaurants, shops and other enterprises destroyed, families impoverished, and the middle class further ground down towards poverty, despair, and dependence on government. Amazon, eBay, Target, and other big corporations allowed to operate and seize enormous market share, profiting more than ever. Gig workers and free spirits losing jobs or income from Uber and side jobs. Millions of people then forced to seek jobs from those same huge corporations.

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  150. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I don’t believe that millions of Eastern Europeans travel to Germany to work in sweatshops, because they enjoy living in a dorm and working in a sweatshop.

    Well, if a sweatshop offered you a salary three times your wage per year would you do it for a year if it’s only a couple hours away from home? I might, if I was young and didn’t have kids I would miss. This has nothing to do with quality of life back home.

    Poles and Romanians are forced into this behavior by extreme deprivation.

    Poverty rates Poland vs. Russia:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/233910/poverty-rates-in-oecd-countries/

    Russia: 12.7%

    Poland: 10.3%

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  151. @Hyperborean

    All while Britain is now experiencing a pro-American Empire cultural revolution under a “Conservative” PM.

    Problem is the feeling doesn’t seem to be mutual with the US, even Trump’s trade rep has said a trade deal with the UK isn’t even on the agenda this term and isn’t something he will consider until his next term which he obviously has no guarantees of winning, and then any deal has to pass Congress which is full of overtly anti-British politicians, especially Irish-American Democrats and their allies.

  152. Ano4 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Ты чё совсем дурной?

    Иди лесом…

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  153. @AP

    You’re quoting stats, which you don’t understand. Here is a real life example for you:

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/mar/12/slavery-sicily-farming-raped-beaten-exploited-romanian-women

    Again, I don’t believe that Romanian farm workers enjoy giving sexual favors to their employers. If they had decent quality of life at home, they wouldn’t debase themselves in this fashion.

    • Replies: @AP
  154. @AP

    Again with your sophism…you are comparing soviet republics with non soviet republics.

    Here is a more accurate comparison:
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-RU-UZ-BY

    Ukraine is doing better than belarus as far back as 1987 and way better than uzbekistan.

    Ukraine and russia is the same thing. Galicians dont count as they arent ukranians but poles and speak a dialect of polish

    Ukrainian government is so inept they are poorer than african countries like algeria. Better join russia at this point

    • LOL: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @AP
  155. @Ano4

    I assumed you’re a foreigner, cause even the dumbest of Russians would understand that Russia has interests in Belarus and the Ukraine.

    And with Mr Hack liking your posts, you might want to figure out your identity issues.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Ano4
  156. Mr. Hack says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Things are much better for the elite when there is stability, not the vandalism and theft that substantially slows down a well functioning of a consumer driven market economy. At the very least, you’d have to admit that the insurance companies are taking a bath and find the current mess untenable for the long term. The elites will do everything they can to insure that their well guarded living communities are safe, and that nobody transgresses their well patrolled boundaries. Even still, you occasionally read about some media music or film superstar who has his home visited by unwanted intruders. George Harrison comes to mind, and there have indeed been others.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/31/world/george-harrison-stabbed-in-chest-by-an-intruder.html

  157. Mr. Hack says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Felix, you’re the only one here that exhibits quirky personality problems including judging people and their opinions on your own bizarre black/white litmus test of “identity issues”.

    I’m not always in accord with Ano4’s opinions, and have indicated such in some of my responses. Other times, I feel that he’s spot on. The bottom line is that he seems like a breath of fresh air much needed at this blog, and overall posts balanced responses based on his own research. You could learn a lot from this young man! 🙂

    • LOL: Ano4
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  158. @Passer by

    What would be interesting (though im not certain it can be done) is to see to which age demographic these women belong. I suspect millenial women and older will hold these opinions but not younger women (this is my hypothesis)

    • Replies: @Passer by
  159. Mr. Hack says:
    @RadicalCenter

    Your opinion is not unreasonable and indeed includes truthful analysis of the results. It’ still not clear, however, who orchestrated this whole mess. I think that the liberal elites were caught up in this whole affair unprepared and have just gone along with the least path of resistance, kneeling before the demonstrators etc; But it’s definitely true that a lot of small family owned businesses have suffered immensely do to this violence and the Coronavirus pandemic.

  160. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    Here is a more accurate comparison:
    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-RU-UZ-BY

    Ukraine is doing better than belarus as far back as 1987 and way better than uzbekistan.

    Belarus isn’t included in 1987 on your link and only goes back to 1990. At which point it is already wealthier than Ukraine – $2,124 Belarus vs. $1,569 Ukraine.

    Can’t you read?

    But since Ukraine in 1987 was even poorer than Ukraine in 1990 it is likely that Belarus was richer in 1987 than Ukraine was.

    Ukraine had about double Uzbekistan’s per capita GDP in 1990 and also in 2018.

    The only part of Ukraine that was ever richer than Russia was Galicia. And this was back when it was part of Austria.

    Ukrainian government is so inept they are poorer than african countries like algeria.

    In 1990 Algeria was wealthier than Belarus and Ukraine:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-RU-BY-DZ

    Belarus did not overtake Algeria until 2005.

    So Soviets, whom you like, were even more inept than the post-Soviet Ukrainian government.

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  161. @AP

    ⁸Haha whats even funnier is modern ukraine is so inept that it is poorer than Congo and the island of Grenada, that one can drive across in 3 hours given no traffic and a population less than the city of odessa

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-DZ-CG-GD

    Ukraine should have stayed Soviet

    Go look at my original link again, in 1987 Belarus and Ukraine are at about the same level. Then Ukraine got poorer when it got independent. I guess Soviet Ukraine was superior – at least it wasnt poorer than Congo unlike now

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  162. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Anecdotes.

    Reality:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_countries_by_average_wage

    Wage Romania: 658 Euros; Russia 499 Euros; Italy 1,724 Euros.

    So Romanians come to Italy for more money; unfortunately some are terribly exploited. But Romania is still richer than Russia.

    The reason there are more Romanians than Russians in places such as Italy is that Romania is much closer, and because there are no barriers for Romanians from coming (Romania is an EU member). So cheap, barrier-less, and quick travel.

    GDP PPP (2018), worldbank:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=RU-RO

    Romania: $29,061
    Russia: $28,556

    IMF estimate for 2020 (pre-coronovirus) shows that Russia has barely surpassed Romania:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

    Russia: $30,820
    Romania: $29,555

    AK visited Romania. His impressions:

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/romania/

    I would make the following assessments about Romanian living standards:

    They are far below “Western” living standards (duh).

    Modestly (20%?) below Portuguese.

    Approximately equal to Russian living standards. That said, Bucharest is not even in the same class as Moscow, while many of Russia’s “millioniki” are also superior.

    Medium-sized (~100,000 people) Romanian and Russian towns seem to be about equal.

    The Romanian – well, Transylvanian – countryside seems more prosperous than its Russian equivalent.

    :::::::::::

    A great success, given that in Soviet times Romania was much poorer than Russia. It has, essentially, caught up.

  163. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    Haha whats even funnier is modern ukraine is so inept that it is poorer than Congo and the island of Grenada

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=UA-DZ-CG-GD

    You really don’t know how do read.

    From your link, per capita GDP:

    Ukraine: $3,095
    Congo Rep: $2,147
    There is also Congo Dem. Republic: $561

    And Grenada is, of course, richer than Belarus and has been richer than Belarus every year since 1990 except for one year, 2013:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GD-BY

    Until 2005, and again in 2016, Grenada was richer than Russia by your measure:

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GD-BY

    Are you dumb and illiterate or pretending to be dumb and illiterate for trolling purposes?

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  164. @AP

    I was looking purely at the graphs. My fingers are too large to click the small dots on the phone.

    The fact of the matter is Ukraine is not too far ahead of Congo (LOL) and behind the Carribbean island of Grenada, filled with blacks and with a population less than Odessa. That is sad and speaks to how inept Ukranians are – this implies they have no capacity for self governance and should be instead governed by more capable peoples.

    Furthermore, I have been using your measure from the beginning (go look at the link you originally posted – i used the same graph, just changed the countries) – but since you dont like it, does that mean you are trolling or trying to misrepresent facts like a true sophist?

    Sounds like you’re a dumb and illiterate svidomiy. If you are a galician with anti russian sentiment – what specifically are you doing on a presumably russophilic blog? Of course only dumb заподенцы dont see the contradiction

    PS. I guess you cant read because you included a graph of Belarus and claimed its Russia…i guess we now know you are a sophist

    • Replies: @AP
  165. Passer by says:
    @NazbolFren

    Well, all types of polls show young women in many countries as the more liberal. College educated ones too. Still, looking at this and other diaspora videos comments, rus people reaction has been negative to the protests, including the majority of rus women.

    Within Russia reaction is negative too, including by women.

    On the one hand, there are your observations in Toronto. On the other hand, there is the information that russian immigrants are more right wing than the locals in Germany

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/15/russian-german-immigrants-fans-afd-anti-immigrant/

    USA

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-americans-trump-voters-dislike-putin-2017-4

    or even Israel

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/russians-are-coming-to-the-polls-israeli-politicians-are-finally-waking-up/

    and vote to the right.

    You can study the issue in Canada and ask what other rus immigrants there think, and especially what those who are not from Toronto think. And those who are not college educated, or those who are married.

    Maybe there is an issue with your sample. Toronto young college educated people.

    Interestingly enough, russians in liberal big city NYC vote republican.

    • Thanks: NazbolFren
  166. EldnahYm says:
    @Belarusian Dude

    There are twin studies of homosexuality. If the primary cause of homosexuality were genetic, we should see 99-100% concordance. Instead it is more like 25-50%. For siblings it is even lower. There is also the problem of how genes so disadvantageous to reproduction could become so prevalent. We should see homosexuality rates being similar to rare genetic diseases, a fraction of a percent of the population. But the measured rate of homosexuality in populations is around 2%. Homosexuality in most cases is probably caused by some kind of environmental factors. Cochran’s idea of a pathogenic cause seems like the most plausible hypothesis.

  167. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    The fact of the matter is Ukraine is not too far ahead of Congo (LOL)

    Repeat:

    Ukraine: $3,095

    Congo Rep: $2,147
    Congo Dem. Republic: $561

    Congo Republic is small and has oil. Democratic Republic of the Congo is large and does not have oil.

    Both are poorer than Ukraine. The oil-rich one has about 60% of Ukraine’s per capita wealth, the big one only 1/6.

    and behind the Carribbean island of Grenada, filled with blacks and with a population less than Odessa.

    Russia was behind Grenada until 2005 and again in 2016, and Belarus has always been behind Grenada other than 2013. So?

    Furthermore, I have been using your measure from the beginning

    Yes, and you have made false statements based on it, based either on your inability to read, your dumbness, or perhaps dishonesty.

    but since you dont like it

    I don’t like your false statements. The source itself is fine.

    Sounds like you’re a dumb and illiterate

    Yet you are one who couldn’t read from the link that you posted.

    You wrote: “ukraine is so inept that it is poorer than Congo”

    This was false.

    You wrote: “in 1987 Belarus and Ukraine are at about the same ”

    Belarus wasn’t listed for 1987.

    So are you dumb, illiterate, or both?

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  168. Ano4 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Buddy you’re thick as a brick.
    Having interests is one thing, getting entrapped is another.
    One works towards the best possible outcome, war in Donbass and a state of perpetual enmity among Eastern Slavs is not the best possible outcome at all.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  169. EldnahYm says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Schizophrenia frequently runs in families. Homosexuality does not show the same concordance.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  170. EldnahYm says:
    @AaronB

    Modern East Asian societies are maladaptive, materialist, low fertility societies. The Puritans are a much better model.

  171. @AP

    Sounds like you’re making a whole lot of excuses. Ukraine and Congo are about the same level…for a European country to be at a similar level to a “small” country (your words) filled with Negros is just pathetic.

    Again, we arent talking historical trends. We are talking modern day (or close to it as data allows). Whether or not Grenada was ahead of Russia is irrelevant. What matters is a country of 100, 000 without oil and filled with negros is CURRENTLY ahead of Ukraine. Stop trying to derail the conversation. Also im curious what other excuses you are going to make now.

    How specifically am i making false statements? Ukraine was ahead of Belarus in 1990, but while Belarus grew, the inept post soviet government drove Ukraine into the ground

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=UA-BY

    Congo republic population

    https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-rogers-ca&source=android-browser&ei=NUXyXs2NDfeD9PwPot6SgAk&q=congo+republic+population&oq=congo+republic+popula&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADICCAAyBggAEBYQHjIGCAAQFhAeMgYIABAWEB46BAgAEEc6BggpEBYQHjoICAAQCBANEB46BQgAEJECOgIILjoCCCk6BQguELEDOggIKRCRAhCTAjoICC4QkQIQkwJQsBVY1TtguENoAHABeAGAAd0BiAGnF5IBBjI1LjUuMZgBAKABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

    Ukraine population

    https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-rogers-ca&source=android-browser&ei=P0XyXr3fB8fRtAbhyY84&q=ukraine+population&oq=ukraine+population&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIFCAAQsQMyAggAMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeMgYIABAHEB4yBggAEAcQHjIGCAAQBxAeOgQIABBHOggIABAIEAcQHjoFCAAQkQI6BAgAEEM6CAgAEAcQChAeOgcIABCxAxBDOgQIABANUK-QA1iRpgNg8bIDaABwAXgBgAGHAogBsRSSAQU5LjYuNJgBAKABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

    For a country in Africa to compete with a European country with a population 8x less than ukraine, i’d say Ukraine is inept LOL

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @AP
  172. @NazbolFren

    There is no point arguing with an American Ukie about Ukraine. Its economic history can be described by the statements of its officials.

    First Ukrainian president Kravchuk (ruled 1991-1994): In five years Ukrainians will live, like in France.

    Second Ukrainian president Kuchma (ruled 1994-2005): In ten years Ukrainians will live, like in Poland.

    Failed Georgian president, after 2014 coup governor of Odessa region Saakashvili: In 20 years Ukrainians will live, like under Yanukovych.

    Saakashvili was recently appointed the head of Ukrainian reform council and seems to have become even less optimistic: he recently said that Ukraine is entering an economic catastrophe, and many Ukrainian families will go hungry.

    • Agree: NazbolFren
  173. @Ano4

    You talk like a redditor! How old are you? If you’re as young as I think you’re, your naivety can be forgiven.

    Russia is “entrapped” in Crimea and Donbass by virtue of them being part of Russia. The alternative to being entrapped there is surrendering them to the control of US-backed puppet government in Kiev. Doing so is politically nonfeasible in modern Russia and a terrible idea in general – giving out parts of the country to enemies, even Gorby didn’t go that far!

    • Replies: @Ano4
  174. Ano4 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I remember visiting Budapest in 1986, the quality of living in Hungary at the time was way higher than in Russia, Moscow included.

  175. Kovar says:

    The official Belarusian diaspora organization (or so it claims) has this woman as leader:

    https://www.facebook.com/BellaDonna7000

    Check her “About” page. Every. Single. Time.

    Belarusians protesting abroad, note the small numbers and low energy:

    Posted by Bella Fox on Monday, June 22, 2020

    Lukashenko should warm up to Russia and accept a Russian military base and the guarantees that come with it ASAP. The clueless goyim in these protests think elections matter. They don’t. The US template is this: a politician who does the bidding of Zionist or business lobbies (MIC is an extension of these two lobbies) has his post-office career guaranteed in some capacity in a business, think-tank or NGO, that serve the special interests of these lobbies. Representing traditional America doesn’t pay because when you are out of office, you are on your own. The press will absolutely crucify you for speaking in the interests of traditional America (if you channel your love of America to Israel instead, coverage will be different). At best, and with much difficult given the hostile media environment and the free money flowing to your opponent(s), you may be (re-)elected. But the freebies don’t even come close to being a faithful servant of the aforementioned special interests, which is long term and pays well.

    Against all the odds, and with much headache and stress, you may serve a term and be shunned by the institutions after you leave office. Or you can be a good goy or representative of a powerful business and have nice perks thereafter. Your voters won’t have a nice post-office fund for you, and here lies the weakness of democracy, or how to game it.

    Belarusians have more social and cultural freedom of speech than Americans and Europeans, though less political freedom of speech, but we know politics is downstream from culture, so when Americans are all but prohibited from expressing certain thoughts so others may have access to them, citizens who vote are not really “well-informed” in that they have access only to what the gatekeepers (Silicon Valley) want. Again, this is how to game democracy.

    So long as the fixation on the ballot remains, white people will continue to lose out. I think elections on a municipal level is fine, and it’s where it matters the most, as the city council decides where and how to spend the money that comes from above. At the top, there must rule a king, an emperor, a siloviki clan – which is Masonic-like and has adepts in all structures of power. Jewish networking is also Masonic-like, and when an institution falls on their hands, it’s gone to the goyim. I think Disney is a good example. Fox News is one of the few remaining giant media conglomerates not owned or operated by Jews, and, curiously, one of the remaining non-Bolshevik voices in the mass media.

    Rule of thumb: you must assume a conspiracy and operate accordingly, or be displaced by more clannish outgroups. Putin knows the score, I recall vividly his comment about the need to assume the existence of conspiracies.

  176. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    Ukraine and Congo are about the same level

    Ukraine has about 30% more wealth per capita than the small oil rich Congo republic, population 6 million – and 550% more wealth per capita than the Democratic Republic of Congo, population 84 million.

    So are you dumb, illiterate or both?

    What matters is a country of 100, 000 without oil and filled with negros is CURRENTLY ahead of Ukraine

    It is currently ahead of Belarus. And if Russia was without oil it would also be ahead of Russia. What is your point?

    How specifically am i making false statements?

    In my previous post I already pointed out your specific false statements.

    So are you dumb, illiterate, or both?

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  177. @AP

    So ukraine only has 30% more wealth than a bunch of negros in africa? Not a very great track record haha.

    Also, you keep ignoring Grenada – doesnt fit your narrative eh…a country of 100, 000 has more wealth per capita than Ukraine WITHOUT oil…sad

    What does Grenada being ahead of Belarus have to do with anything? Stop trying to derail the convo. If you cant figure out whar my point is regarding Grenada, its not surprising why Ukraine is so far behind…but i’ll help you kiddo cuz i am nice. The point is that Ukraine (and Belarus too) is so inept that it gets beaten by a bunch of negros in Grenada who dont have oil and not too far ahead of a bunch of negros in Congo. This means that until Ukraine becomes a normal country and is ruled by its betters, you should stop talking.

    And its doubtful that Grenada would be ahead of Russia without oil – Russia had oil in the 90s and was not ahead. It was inept at the tine. The difference is, while Russia stopped being inept – Ukraine continues to be inept. This speaks of a larger problem that is only present in Ukraine – likely something to do with their head?

    You didnt point out anything because my last link showed you to be utterly wrong. Stop making excuses.

    Whats hilarious is you’re asking if im dumb or illiterate whilst being an anti-Russian svidomiy on a pro-Russian site and you dont even notice the contradiction. I guess that makes you both dumb and illiterate. This is why you’re not taken seriously by intellegent people LOL

    • Replies: @AP
  178. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    So ukraine only has 30% more wealth than a bunch of negros in africa?

    Why shouldn’t Africans with oil have some wealth?

    Did you know that Equatorial Guinea, in Africa, with a lot of oil, has only 30% less wealth than Russia?

    You didn’t, because you are dumb, illiterate or both.

    Also, you keep ignoring Grenada

    I keep discussing Grenada. Indeed, I pointed out how it is wealthier than Belarus. Perhaps you didn’t notice because you are dumb, illiterate or both.

    The point is that Ukraine (and Belarus too) is so inept that it gets beaten by a bunch of negros in Grenada who dont have oil

    If Russia didn’t have oil it would have been beaten by Grenada also. However, since you think that being “beaten” by blacks on islands is a big deal, I will point out that Russia is beaten by the Bahamas, Barbados, etc.

    You didn’t know that because you are dumb, illiterate or both.

    And its doubtful that Grenada would be ahead of Russia without oil

    Russia was behind Grenada in 2016 and was ahead by about 5% in the source you posted, from 2018.

    You must think that oil is only 5% of Russia’s economy because you are dumb, illiterate or both.

    But there’s an update for 2019:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    Russia now behind Grenada in per capita nominal GDP.

    Grenada: $11,381
    Russia: $11,162

    Oops. What did you write again?

    Your words: “ Ukraine (and Belarus too) is so inept that it gets beaten by a bunch of negros in Grenada who dont have oil”

    Lol.

    This is why you’re not taken seriously by intellegent people

    Dumb, illiterate or both?

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
  179. @Ano4

    That’s the story I hear from many people. I never visited Hungary before Eastern block breakup. The first time the party let me out was in perestroika years to Czechoslovakia. I wasn’t loyal enough to commies, never joined their party (or any other party anywhere, for that matter).

    I’ve already commented somewhere that it was good for Russia to get rid of parasites, “brotherly” republics and “brotherly” “socialist” countries. My impression is that current parasites (oligarchs) suck a lot less blood out of Russia than those “brothers”.

    • Agree: Ano4
  180. @AP

    Im not saying they shouldnt, but i find it hilarious how Ukraine is almost matched by inept and poor African nations. Even Namibia is ahead of Ukraine. But i bet you didnt know that because you are a dumb ukrainian sophist.

    Again, Belarus is irrelevant but you conveniently ignored that part because you are a sophist who tries to peddle incorrect narratives. Or perhaps that gives you too much credit – you’re just stupid.

    Also, cute whataboutism. Russia is hardly relevant to this conversation – unlike Ukraine, Russia is severly economically limited by sanctions and gets little foreign aid. And while not being under crippling sanctions, getting massive foreign aid and food, Ukraine still manages to be behind Grenada.

    Also, its up to you to prove that without oil Grenada would be ahead of Russia (hint, it wouldnt). Too bad you cant prove it and can just talk haha.

    I think thats the story of your life – you’re all talk but a giant coward in every other respect.

    It must be great to be so intellectually inept that you can’t even make proper comparisons

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=RU-BS-BB

    Oops I guess Russia is ahead of Barbados. Sophist confirmed

    • Replies: @AP
  181. Ano4 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Did you hear about the battle of Tollense valley?

    Probably not, so maybe you should read about it:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tollense_valley_battlefield

    The enmity between the ancestors of the Eastern and Western Europeans is in fact older than that.

    Did you know that the Corded War Culture (CWC in short), which populations are ancestral to the majority of modern day Slav peoples, extended all the way to Holland in the north west, but started on the Volga?

    And that the ancestry of nearly all Western European males can be traced to the Iberian peninsula via the Bell Beaker Culture?

    Just try to imagine how many lands have been lost and gained since then.

    Why am I telling you that?

    Because populations and genetic lineages are way older than nation states. Population dynamics have a time scale of centuries, even thousands of years.

    A wise government should play a long game and a wise people should thoroughly learn about their past so they could carefully plan the future of their offspring. There are priorities when one plans geopolitical action, first should be demography. Second should be economics and the military should probably be the last one.

    If one has military strength, but does not have the economic strength to support a long term military expansion, then this military adventure is probably bound to fail. If your demography is moribund, then it is not more territory that you have seek for, but to increase your population.

    In my opinion, this is what Russia should do today, play the long game and take care of its own people. A little bit of introversion for a couple of generations would probably be a good thing for Russia.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  182. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks Mr Hack,

    There are a lot of things we disagree about, but intelligent people should be able to share information and discuss different topics even when they disagree.

    🙂

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  183. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    Well, it was very nice of her, but at the same time maybe it was a little bit too harsh towards the American basketball players.

    (OTOH my mom is completely capable to say something similar today…)

    😁

  184. @AaronB

    I think Zizek is correct here. I think societies need a Public Face and a Shadow – it doesn’t occupy the limelight, but it is completely accepted and a hugely important part of life – perhaps more important in some ways than the Public Face. The “Floating World” of the night of Japanese culture, where nothing is serious, a dream world, to counteract the deadly seriousness and complex rule and ritual of daylight life.

    Yes. A theory of mine is that modern Western puritanism is less a religious outpouring than the natural outcome of our love of codification. Tantum tweeted about this back in November, using transsexuals as an example, but the phenomenon is far broader and commoner than flame wars on internet forums.

    nerd management structures explicitly attempt to override norms in favor of procedural consistency; and they always end up in the hands of abnormal, subversive outsiders

    wikipedia, stack exchange, reddit, the linux foundation, they all end up controled by transsexuals – ask yourself why this would happen

    my answer: procedural consistency is too weak a standard to resolve even the kinds of minor conflicts that you find on, say, a hobby forum

    An analogy might be drawn to contracts, and the transaction costs they incur, versus trust-based relationships.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Thanks: Haruto Rat
    • Replies: @AaronB
  185. @Jaakko Raipala

    We need the exact opposite. Censorship will just lead to even bigger mass hysterias as the censors will erase “denial” and “conspiracy theories” to enforce an “authoritative” narrative. They will shield virtue signalers from negative feedback so that will get worse, too.

    Surely this depends on the censor, the blue-checks, and the people being deplatformed. My assumptions are (1) that the current crop of blue-checks are the main culprit behind these recent hysterias, and (2) that the censorship could equally come from the center-right, or even far-right, in which case it would likely have a deradicalizing effect.

    • Replies: @216
  186. @Ano4

    Our people is divided between “Russian Federation”, “Ukraine” and “Belarus” – a legacy of Russia’s tumultuous 20th century. Taking care of our people requires an activist foreign policy, which is in fact domestic policy insofar as it concerns the former Soviet space.

    The mistake you’re making is treating post-Soviet statelets as actual nations, when these are simply lumps of Great Russia with arbitrary borders between them drawn by communist party officials.

    • Replies: @NazbolFren
    , @Ano4
    , @AP
  187. @Felix Keverich

    No. Most of these “countries” had borders drawn by the Tsars. Take Ukraine as an example and the promotion of Ukrainian language amd culture under tsardom, rarher than forcing assimilation like occurred in British controlled colonies

    • Replies: @Ano4
  188. AaronB says:
    @Swedish Family

    Perhaps the problem of Western culture all really boils down to too much left-brain thinking.

  189. Lowe says:
    @AP

    It has a hammer and sickle on it? That is based. The locals who complain must be gay.

  190. Ano4 says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I get your point, but I would extend the definition of “our people” to all direct descendants of the Trzciniec culture. The majority of them are genetically related to a single ancient population. That would encompass the majority of Slav and Baltic people. And instead of just Russia I would talk about all Balto-Slavic lands as a confederation.

    It would take time to heal all enmity and mistrust that history has instilled into us. But if we work diligently and take the time to do the things right, our people would be the leading force in Eurasia.

    Even if we take a hundred years to get there, it is worth it. Otherwise, Balto-Slavic people will decrease in numbers and might even disappear from the face of the Earth. And everything starts with education:

    https://www.labirint.ru/books/699067/

  191. Ano4 says:
    @NazbolFren

    The majority of the borders date to Soviet times.

    It is Soviets who promoted the revival of minority cultures and applied the policy of “коренизация”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korenizatsiya

    Tsardom has absolutely nothing to with this mess.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  192. @Ano4

    Tsardom has absolutely nothing to with this mess.

    Yes, Romanovs were guilty of many crimes, but that was not one of them.

  193. 216 says:
    @NazbolFren

    The prevalence of pron consumption by younger males is probably a reason why peer female disgust towards them is so high. The developed country with the most toxic gender relations is probably South Korea, the most realistic is probably Israel. In the former, so called “upskirt” videos became extremely popular, despite being illegal. Their TFR is in the gutter.

    What’s becoming really bad is the rise of “OnlyFans”, which might even displace what I call the “Tinder System”. The OnlyFans site puts an upmarket, Patreon-like spin, on self produced pron. The Eastern Bloc was already notorious for its camgirls, and ideally governments would block this new site.

  194. AP says:
    @NazbolFren

    i find it hilarious how Ukraine is almost matched by inept and poor African nations. Even Namibia is ahead of Ukraine.

    Namibia also has a higher GDP than several other European nations. So what.

    Again, Belarus is irrelevant but you conveniently ignored that part

    Just because you, a dumb and/or illiterate person, thinks it is irrelevant doesn’t make it so.

    Ukraine and Belarus are the two Slavic ex-Soviet republics without oil.

    Russia is hardly relevant to this conversation

    Lol

    Russia is severly economically limited by sanctions and gets little foreign aid

    Avoiding or adapting to sanctions are also attributes of competent statecraft.

    Also, its up to you to prove that without oil Grenada would be ahead of Russia (hint, it wouldnt).

    It has already been shown to you in the previous post that Grenada’s per capita nominal GDP has become lower than Russia’s:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    Russia now behind Grenada in per capita nominal GDP.

    Grenada: $11,381
    Russia: $11,162

    So are you dumb, illiterate or both?

    As for 2018, Russia’s per capita GDP was about 5% higher than Grenada’s.

    Oil rents alone accounted for about 6.4% of Russia’s GDP most recently:

    https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/oil-rents-percent-of-gdp-wb-data.html

    So in 2018 Russia without oil was poorer than Grenada in terms of nominal per capita GDP. In 2019 Russia was poorer even including its oil money.

    Remember, you wrote: “ Ukraine (and Belarus too) is so inept that it gets beaten by a bunch of negros in Grenada who dont have oil”

    Why do you make fun of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarussians? Do you hate East Slavs? Well, you name yourself after history’s greatest Slav-killers, Nazis and Bolsheviks, so it makes sense.

    https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.PP.CD?locations=RU-BS-BB

    Oops I guess Russia is ahead of Barbados

    I had posted a link to nominal per capita GDP. On that link Russia’s was lower than that of Barbados and Bahamas:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

    Your link is to per capita GDP PPP, something that measures quality of life more than it does wealth. But even on the link you posted, Russia is behind the Bahamas.

    Remember what you wrote:

    “ behind the Carribbean island of Grenada, filled with blacks and with a population less than Odessa. That is sad and speaks to how inept Ukranians are – this implies they have no capacity for self governance and should be instead governed by more capable peoples”

    Yet as we have seen, Russia is behind the Bahamas, Caribbean islands filled with blacks with fewer people than Odessa – and in 2019 fell behind Grenada.

    So according to your Nazi-Bolshevik logic, you believe that all three East Slavic nations “ have no capacity for self governance and should be instead governed by more capable peoples.” Hmmm. By Germans? A mustachioed Georgian?

    Or did you misspeak because you are dumb or illiterate?

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  195. 216 says:
    @Swedish Family

    In the developed world, we are seeing a secular decline in IQ, and a secular rise in mental illness.

    This is a bad sign for people able to handle freedom with responsibility.

    As your country is with alcohol regulations, compared to the more adapted Southern Europe; a similar paradigm will develop for censorship.

    “Build your own” has been the establishment’s retort since 2016, but the degree of antifragility varies.

    I’m not sure that anyone has a clue what to do when ISPs start blocking sites, and perhaps even ToR itself is compromised.

    Ideally, we’d place our efforts where there are legal rights giving protection. We appear to have civil rights to run as candidates, and to use the postal system. It’s untested as to whether we have a legal right to publish a website, at least in the US.

    Consumer boycotts are also an antifragile tactic, almost completely passive except for perhaps an Internet presence promoting the boycott.

    By contrast, it is clear that no courts are prepared to respect a legal right to protest, to distribute literature, or any kind of privacy (even under more comprehensive European laws).

    One guide might be what the LGBT lobby is desirous of. We have kept Internet anonymity because they refuse to give it up.

  196. Mikel says:
    @NazbolFren

    there is no guarentee that ukraine will become like Poland and Romania (who joined EU a long time ago and are essentially propped up by foreign money) and wont become like Greece. In fact, the latter seems more likely

    No, I totally disagree. For Ukraine to follow the Greek debacle, it would first have to be able to achieve pre-great recession Greek levels of prosperity and macroeconomic stability so that it could join the Eurozone. That is totally outside of the realm of plausibility, in part because of the very point that you’re trying to make.

    In fact, even though the timing is horrible, it makes perfect economic sense to try to integrate with the EU. All poorer countries surrounding the EU, except for Belarus, pursue that policy. Even Morocco and Turkey have decades-long Common Market and EU aspirations.

    The problem is that in the current situation, made even worse by Covid, and the point Ukraine starts from, a breakup of the Eurozone and/or a further breakup of the EU after Brexit looks closer in the horizon than any Ukrainian integration.

    Besides, joining the EU has never been a pain-free process for any candidate. Many Eastern European countries got to join relatively easily due to political reasons (and this was one of the causes of Brexit) but there is no chance that the current EU will make the same mistake with any other country, especially one the size of Ukraine.

  197. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    The mistake you’re making is treating post-Soviet statelets as actual nations, when these are simply lumps of Great Russia

    Basing policy on delusion is not a successful approach. Pretending that Little Russians were Great Russians led to the breakup in the first place.

    arbitrary borders between them drawn by communist party officials

    This applies to Crimea. The territory of the Ukrainian SSR was mostly based on the UNR, which preceded the Communist authorities. The addition of Galicia was based on the non-Communist Curzon line.

  198. @EldnahYm

    Schizophrenia frequently runs in families. Homosexuality does not show the same concordance.

    It true, it suggests that this particular mental disorder likely involves even more genes than schizophrenia. It’s just as maladaptive from the evolutionary standpoint. Alternatively, environmental factors might play a greater role. If you stress out male rodents by keeping them in an overcrowded cage with little food and water, eventually some of them show what looks like homosexual tendencies.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @EldnahYm
  199. AP says:
    @AnonFromTN

    It true, it suggests that this particular mental disorder likely involves even more genes than schizophrenia. It’s just as maladaptive from the evolutionary standpoint.

    Not quite. Homosexuals are often helpful uncles (helping their genes, expressed recessively among heterosexual relatives who are carriers, to be passed on) whereas schizophrenics are less so.

    Homosexuality likely depends on a combination of genetic predisposition and environmental effects during pregnancy (i.e., it is correlated with maternal thyroid dysfunction during pregnancy).

  200. @Felix Keverich

    Nonsense. Poland in many ways appears more prosperous than the US. (Appears, obviously it isn’t really). The Polish countryside is very pleasant, full of well maintained two story single family homes with nice gardens and lush farmland. The contrast with your typical Russian village, or even opioid-infested fly over US town, is quite stark. Poland has also done a much better job distributing wealth regionally. Wroclaw, Cracow and Warsaw appear equally prosperous. There is a huge gulf between Moscow and, say, Samara and Rostov.

    Romania is much poorer than Poland. I was there with a Polish friend not long ago who told me “now I know what it was like to be an American in Poland in the ‘90s!”

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  201. Jazman says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Interesting observation. I remember Hungary during Communism end of 80’s their stores had very good variety of food and people from ex Yugoslavia would shop in Hungary
    We had money but our stores were not even close to Hungarian
    Maybe with democracy they lost some quality 🙂

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  202. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    It’s apparent that you have a great interest in the ancient and prehistoric history of Europe. Are you familiar with the historian Florin Curta and perhaps his book “The Making of the Slavs: The Making of the Slavs: History and Archaeology of the Lower Danube Region, c. 500-700” Any books or articles that you think are important to read regarding this area of inquiry?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  203. Wielgus says:
    @Jazman

    There were jokes in the 1970s that Hungary was the “happiest barracks in the prison camp”.

  204. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Are these your own ideas (which is fine) or has there been some scientific studies you’ve read to corroborate them? Also, I was under the impression that if there indeed was a “gay gene” we would have all known about it already. There’s been a lot of talk about this over the years, but as far as I know they haven’t been able to actually pinpoint one? Certainly, if and when they do, this will be front page headline news for at least 6 months.

  205. @AP

    I don’t think it is coincidence that gay men tend to be more creative than either straight men or women. Some of the best military commanders in European history were also clearly gay – Frederick the Great and Eugene of Savoy being the obvious examples. Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar are both suspected of being more homosexual than not. Gay men appear to carry traits that are beneficial to the survival of the group.

    • Agree: AP
    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @EldnahYm
  206. @Jazman

    Hungarian markets have not lost quality under Orban at all. Budapest offers consumer goods at the same level as anywhere in the West, and has truly amazing food markets. Wine and cold cuts are far better in Hungary than in Russia, so is the fresh produce. Income distribution is also more equal in Hungary than Russia. AnonfromTN is probably just lying.

    He is probably telling the truth about the smoked fish. Most people outside the Baltic Sea countries could not care less about smoked fish. Hungary is not a seafood type country for obvious geographic regions.

  207. @Ano4

    It still is.

    • Replies: @AP
  208. @AnonFromTN

    I’ve been to Budapest and thought outside the main tourist areas the city looked run down and quite obviously poor. What struck me particularly was how frequently empty the restaurants were outside the main tourist areas, in the residential areas. It suggests most Hungarians can’t afford to eat out regularly. Most restaurants gave off the impression that they were struggling to stay open I thought.

    Can’t comment on Russia because I’ve never been there, but if Budapest is a success story by Eastern European standards then the poor bits must be third world.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @AnonFromTN
  209. AP says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I was in Budapest last summer. Other than the area right by the castle, the city was noticeably poorer than Moscow.

  210. Dmitry says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    Concepts of homosexual/heterosexual, just doesn’t exist in the same in the Ancient pagan world.*

    Although in the ancient Greek/Latin texts, it can be viewed as a vice, with comments in some ancient texts similar to “he does not have self-control, he doing too much gambling, drinking wine and sleeping with boys”. In terms of sexual discussions, the ancient world was a real “culture shock” for the European 19th century scholars, in particular.

    In Plato Symposium, Socrates claims that more manly men are attracted to men, and the more androgynous men are attracted to women. So, Socrates believed the opposite of our current stereotype of gays.

    Modern view of homosexual/heterosexual, is deriving from Ancient Judaism, rather than Greeks. Ancient Judaism viewed homosexuality as a grotesque aberration which covered the life of the whole person, and this eventually results to it as being viewed as a special category of people (and nowadays things like “sexual minority”). This is because, to say simply, the Old Testament is obsessed with marriage and producing of children for the tribe, whereas I do not see this emphasis in other ancient text of other cultures.

    New Testament does not talk about this topic, except saying that people ideally should be celibate (and Jesus telling followers to abandon their family). However, Paul compromises in saying that if a person cannot control their sexual desires, then they can be married as the second best option.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+7&version=NIV

    It’s interesting that they do not need to even mention anything about gays in New Testament, as they assume that it is so marginal by then in their society.

    *If you can believe Wikipedia, it seems there is something similar in Japan until the introduction to Western culture.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    , @Daniel Chieh
  211. EldnahYm says:
    @AnonFromTN

    It true, it suggests that this particular mental disorder likely involves even more genes than schizophrenia.

    It implies no such thing. There is no reason to think homosexuality is caused by genetic load. Look at the world around you. Sex is widespread. Quite simple organisms get it right. Sex looks like a relatively simple and robust behavior.

    Contrast that with the human brain. It is complicated, calorically demanding, and involves the expression of a high percentage of genes in the body. It makes sense that lots of things can go wrong and make people behave differently. We also know this happens with mental retardation. Mutations in hundreds of different genes that we know about cause retardation. Schizophrenia is probably similar. Homosexuality probably is not, in most cases.

    Alternatively, environmental factors might play a greater role.

    That is the more logical conclusion.

    If you stress out male rodents by keeping them in an overcrowded cage with little food and water, eventually some of them show what looks like homosexual tendencies.

    Even if this is true(which I doubt), it is unlikely to be relevant for humans. There have been many famines, I’ve never heard about them causing the men to start fucking each other. This is a good time to distinguish between two types of people: 1. People who show no interest in the opposite sex 2. People who will bang anything that moves. These are different categories. In the first category, there is not much evidence that most of these people suddenly adopt a new sexual preference under some kind of stress(at least among males, suggesting lesbianism is often fake). What you want is to find explanations that make sense. If homosexuality was caused by extreme stress, surely someone would have noticed it by now through all the wars, famines, slavery, hostage taking, etc. stresses people have experienced through history.

  212. Dmitry says:
    @Hartnell

    ticking time bomb of liberalism

    There is no “time bomb of liberalism” in Russia, unless you believe there will be an economic miracle.

    While there is indeed one of the world’s richest governments and elites in Russia, the lifestyle of ordinary people is not conducive for a development of liberalism.

    To say simply, most ordinary people in Russia are not rich enough for a mass movement of this kind of hipster politics, which requires people to be soaked in comfort for a generation (In Western Europe, most of the population have been soaked in wealth and comfort for perhaps two generations).

    People don’t suddenly acquire Scandinavian politics and Scandinavian mentality, unless they have lived a life of Scandinavian comfort and Scandinavian wealth.

    Bourgeois liberalism is possible in the bourgeois parts of Russian cities and perhaps Kiev. But only a minority of the people in the country have the lifestyle of the bourgeoisie.

    Until or unless Russia attains Western European living standards, it will neither attain Western European politics.

    Putinism is sort of a last hurrah if I’m honest.

    In many ways, Putin is more liberal and tolerant than normal people on a personal level, while he is ultra-conservative in terms of societal stability. He is an ultra conservative is the terms of Metternich – to maintain existing social order, which he has partly helped create.

    • Replies: @Hartnell
  213. AP says:
    @Europe Europa

    I was in Budapest last summer. The Castle District was not run down at all but the rest of the city did feel poor and was bit run down and seedy. It appeared to be much poorer and in worse shape than Poland, Moscow region and St. Petersburg. And even though Lviv in western Ukraine is obviously objectively a lot poorer than Budapest, the city looks less rundown and appears to be cleaner and brighter than Budapest. Some of the Budapest outskirts actually reminded me of what provincial Ukrainian cities like Zhytomir look like. My wife suggested that some subtle gypsy influence must be to blame for the shabbiness.

    That having been said, it’s worth a visit. The food was excellent, the baths (especially the one with the 100+ year old wave pool) were awesome with the kids, the architecture was beautiful.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  214. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    Still, for all the problems, Russia has significantly less economic distress than Ukraine.

    One way – perhaps underexaggerating the reality – to see how economically distressed people are, is to look at the proportion of household budget expended on food.

    In very wealthy countries like Great Britain and Netherlands, only 10% of the household budget is paying for food (despite the expensive supermarkets there).

    In countries like Russia and Lithuania – 31% of the spending.

    While in Ukraine – 50%.

    • Replies: @AP
  215. @Europe Europa

    Among Eastern European cities I visited (Budapest, Zagreb, Prague) only Prague looked reasonably well off, including the non-touristy areas where regular people live. Except for the castle district and a small area around parliament, Budapest looks as pathetically dilapidated as Zagreb.

    We lived in flat Pest, where locals live. My observations suggest that locals can only afford ice cream as eating out equivalent. Grocery stores look a lot poorer than in provincial Russian cities (Penza, Nizhni Novgorod), appear to cater to people who have to count the last pence. There is a difference with Zagreb, though: metro in Pest, however shallow, works fine, so does a cable car that takes you to the castle in Buda. Both were built by Austrians in Franz-Joseph’s time. In contrast, cable car that is supposed to take you to the upper city in Zagreb does not work. The elevation is equivalent to 2-3 stories, so we just walked up.

    Good thing about Hungarian poverty is that their excellent operetta is remarkably cheap. It is affordable for the locals: there were no empty seats, and locals clearly knew their operettas, as many in the audience sung along. The singing was in Hungarian (Latin letters, but totally incomprehensible for those who know other European languages) with projected translation to German (which I don’t know well enough). I had no problem, though, as most of their operettas were translated into Russian and widely performed in the USSR.

  216. EldnahYm says:
    @AP

    Not quite. Homosexuals are often helpful uncles (helping their genes, expressed recessively among heterosexual relatives who are carriers, to be passed on) whereas schizophrenics are less so.

    I doubt uncles makes much evolutionary difference in most societies. Much less gay uncles. Though it is possible a gay uncle is slightly less likely to murder you than a schizophrenic one.

    Homosexuality likely depends on a combination of genetic predisposition and environmental effects during pregnancy (i.e., it is correlated with maternal thyroid dysfunction during pregnancy).

    That study found a total of 12 cases where maternal thyroid dysfunction overlapped with same-sex attraction. Not a good idea to generalize from that. That study was also focused on child psychiatry patients, which may not be particularly representative of the whole homosexual population.

    If homosexuality were caused by maternal thyroid dysfunction, we should expect it to be correlated with other things like depressed IQ. It is not. We would also expect to see cases of homosexuality which are associated with a number of other syndromes. Not much evidence in that direction.

    None of this would explain why the rate of homosexuality is so high at 2%. That is way above the rate of mutation. If you look at other evolutionary dead-end genes, genes that cause childhood cancers or infertility for example, you will notice they are extremely rare. That makes sense. The same is true of various kinds of errors during birth. Even down syndrome is about 20x less common than homosexuality.

    • Replies: @AP
  217. EldnahYm says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    I don’t think it is coincidence that gay men tend to be more creative than either straight men or women. Some of the best military commanders in European history were also clearly gay – Frederick the Great and Eugene of Savoy being the obvious examples. Alexander the Great and Julius Caesar are both suspected of being more homosexual than not.

    You haven’t demonstrated that gay men are more creative. Creativity is probably maladaptive most of the time anyhow, but that’s besides the point.

    Gay men appear to carry traits that are beneficial to the survival of the group.

    Ludicrous. Carrying genes that are “good for the group” usually do jack shit for their own survival, which means they will be outcompeted by other genes. If humans were eusocial ant-like organisms, group selection might make sense.

    Obviously, nothing you said has shown that Frederick the Great or Julius Caesar did anything to increase the survival and reproduction of their group, let alone that their own homosexuality was the cause of this.

    • Replies: @Peter Akuleyev
  218. EldnahYm says:
    @Dmitry

    Tacitus claims Germanic tribes drowned homosexuals in swamps. Also the Vikings apparently had insult words for homosexuality.

    Most heterosexual males seem to have a natural disgust towards homosexuality. I doubt it is only under the interest of Ancient Judaism that people came to have a negative view of homosexuals.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  219. Ano4 says:
    @AP

    I am wondering if anyone tried to link serotonin receptors polymorphism to homosexuality.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267339/

  220. Ano4 says:
    @EldnahYm

    Zoroastrians punished male homosexuality with death.

    In zoroastrian texts it is rated as equal to cannibalism in depravity.

    Pederastic tendencies in the Central Asian culture only appeared after the Greco-Macedonian conquest of Persia and the surrounding regions.

  221. @Dmitry

    Romans had quite considerable distaste for homosexuality as well, especially in the passive position. Greek affection for homosexuality is rather unique in wide expression, even given different norms for pedestrary.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  222. Dmitry says:
    @AP

    While an enjoyable hobby, it is not a very inaccurate way to make overly simple inferences about the country’s economy (walking in central streets of the city).

    Walking in streets in America, I see a lot of “public squalor”, particularly in California. A naive person, could imagine that America has a weak economy, which would be particularly strange in relation to California – that the state in the USA with the most powerful economy, has the dirtiest streets.

    To understand what is the real situation, an observer would need to see the inverse opportunity cost of the public squalor in America: that the large part of the America’s wealth is inside peoples’ houses, in distant suburbs.

    My wife suggested that some subtle gypsy influence must be to blame for the shabbiness

    It can also be gypsy to spend all the money for show, and on a large wedding, and not invest the money carefully for the long term.

    Under Orban, Hungary has the lowest corporation tax in Europe. Hungarians are reducing taxes, in ways which will encourage more jobs from foreign investment. When you avoid taxing corporations and businesses, then you need to save money somewhere – i.e. less expenditure on things like city streets.

    Hungarians might simply be saving money on municipal streets, and using that money to invest in other industries.

    Moscow is an example of a very expensive showcase. It is a showcase of wealth and power, and there is no limit on the money authorities can spend on it (for example, billions of dollars have been spent on Moscow to bury power lines. Burying power lines has no practical advantage, but it improves the aesthetics of the streets). This is a bit 19th century European behaviour.

    Another cause of the super luxurious looking city, is when a city lives on tourism and image projection. Sorrento is my least favourite example of this. (It is ultra clean and neat for the tourists, but I preferred far more shabby parts of Napoli).

    America nowadays often a lot wose than any parts of Napoli. You can walk in the centre of San Francisco, and see trash and one-arm people rolling in the streets, and wonder that San Francisco’s median income is higher than Luxembourg.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  223. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Thanks for the book reference, I will have to look into it. I am more of an internet person nowadays. There are numerous scientific studies published on paleogenetics, linguistics etc. There are also several websites and blogs devoted to anthropology that discuss the genetic component of ancient cultures and the roots of modern populations.

    Personally, I have simply started with Eupedia many years ago, prior to getting my Y haplogroup characterized. It is still a good primer:

    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

    Anatole A. Klyosov made an outstanding contribution to the field of DNA-genealogy, but he is not a very politically correct person and so his views on the topic are considered controversial. I personally believe that he is mostly correct in his opinions.

    https://www.anatole-klyosov.com/

    Carlos Quiles has an interesting Bell Beaker Culture related website where he defends the thesis that proto-indoeuropean language was solely spoken by Y haplogroup R1b populations, while the Y haplogroup R1a Corded Ware Culture people initially spoke some ancient form of Ugro-Fennic language. He is a kind of Western European equivalent to Klyosov, much more politically correct, but also willing to do what is needed to defend his own theories and spread his own take on the Indo-European populations history.

    https://indoeuropeo.eu/

    The best book I’ve read so far on the Indo-Iranian/Arian subject is by Kuzmina:

    https://brill.com/view/title/13426?language=en

    https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Prehistory_of_the_Silk_Road.html?hl=fr&id=5FzANyya1BEC

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  224. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    The difference for Romans is active and passive sexuality. In the active homosexual, they consider it a mild vice or eccentricity (like gambling), while in the passive it means they are a bitch (same attitude is represented today in afroamerican prison culture and Tupac songs). There’s no distinction of heterosexuals or homosexuals, as if they are different categories of people.

    Julius Caesar was considered controversial because he was allegedly in a passive homosexual relationship, as boy to a king. So Tupac would call him a bitch.

    Greek affection for homosexuality

    Greeks and Romans don’t have the concept of homosexuality as a separate group. In Plato, there is (in the words of Socrates) explicitly celebration of homosexual romance, but in Plato prefers that it is not a physical relationship, but a spiritual one.

    With Greeks, the unusual thing they are the pagan people who wrote in such detailed way about their lives, and who we can read the novels and literature about as if we were reading 19th century novels, and understand their subtle interpretation of concepts. As we can see, they don’t have a real division between heterosexual/homosexual, but attribute it to the activity, rather than the person.

    The fact that other cultures – Ancient Indian, or Japanese until early modern – have apparently same attitude as in the Greek texts, and don’t view them as separate groups.

    Is there any non-Abrahamic religion, culture which does have this division? What is the ancient Chinese texts reading like?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  225. Ano4 says:
    @Dmitry

    Is there any non-Abrahamic culture which does have this division?

    I am not sure whether Abrahamic religions really divided people into the homosexual and heterosexual.

    In the Bible the story of David and Jonathan is suggestive of a homoerotic relationship, but David was not considered as a depraved person and went on to become the King par excellence for ancient Israelites marrying women and fathering children.

    YHWH supposedly inflicted his punishment on Sodom and Gomorrah because the citizens of these ancient polities were depraved homosexuals. But one needs to notice that YHWH only exacted vengeance against them when they broke the rules of hospitality and tried to coerce their guests (angels sent by God) to a non-consensual sexual assault. Maybe the punishment was supposed to emphasize the sacred character of hospitality and not the abhorrence of YHWH towards gay sex.

    Also in the Apostle Paul’s epistles we read about gay males “cured” through their conversion into Christianity. Therefore, Pauline outlook on homosexuality was not a definitive and outright ostracism to an incurably perverse nature, but a “therapeutic ” outlook on a “curable vice”.

    Zoroastrians on the other hand viewed male homosexuality as a sin worthy of a death sentence. Gay sex was inspired by Ahriman and gay people were his servants.

    See my comment # 224

    • Replies: @RSDB
  226. AP says:
    @EldnahYm

    I doubt uncles makes much evolutionary difference in most societies. Much less gay uncles.

    They would help to provide for their siblings’ offspring, not having had offspring of their own. And their siblings’ offspring would likely be carriers of the gene.

    That study found a total of 12 cases where maternal thyroid dysfunction overlapped with same-sex attraction.

    There are more links between thyroid and homosexuality:

    http://www.newnownext.com/scientists-believe-theyve-finally-found-the-genetic-link-to-homosexuality/12/2017/

    “Scientists at Illinois’ North Shore University compared DNA sequences from 1,077 gay and 1,231 heterosexual men, scanning their genomes for single-letter differences. One gene was found on chromosome 14 and is mainly active in producing and maintaining thyroid. Interestingly, Grave’s Disease, a condition which causes the thyroid to be overactive, is more common in gay men. (It also causes an accelerated metabolism and lower body weight.)

    The other gene, located on chromosome 13, is active in a part of the brain called the diencephalon.”

    [Incidentally, this suggests that maternal thyroid dysfunction may not cause homosexuality; rather, both maternal thyroid dysfunction and homosexuality may be influenced by the same gene/s]

    :::::::::::::::

    Studies show that homosexuality evokes a physiological response (in heterosexual people) of disgust, akin to exposure to feces and corpses. Accordingly, the number of people who become homosexual through some sort of perversity is probably very small, like the number of people who are necrophiliacs and coprophiliacs. For most homosexuals, the cause is physiological.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  227. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    The number must be from 2016? RT naturally ran with this story in 2018. Generally the data is 2 years behind.

    Most recently, in 2018, it was 42%:

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/unian-ukrainians-spend-42-of-income-on-food.html

    But the results were published in 2020.

    https://journalist.today/en/study-ukrainians-spend-42-of-income-on-food/

    Interestingly, even though Kazakhstan is a lot richer, percentage spent on food is even higher than in Ukraine.

  228. AP says:
    @Dmitry

    I agree and did not mean to imply that my impressions were an objective judgment on Budapest’s wealth. They were just that. One point:

    Walking in streets in America, I see a lot of “public squalor”, particularly in California. A naive person, could imagine that America has a weak economy, which would be particularly strange in relation to California – that the state in the USA with the most powerful economy, has the dirtiest streets.

    California has the beginning of a Latin America style economy. Overall it is rich but is not the richest state in the USA. Among states it is actually only in fifteenth place by per capita income:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_income#States_and_territories_ranked_by_per_capita_income

    It’s economy is the most powerful (largest GDP) simply because it has a huge population.

  229. Hartnell says:
    @Dmitry

    You have some good points here. It is difficult to ascertain what Russia’s political future is but from what you are describing, it seems to be that the only thing keeping Russia conservative at the moment is basically the living standards, which seems to be something most Russians are protesting about these days.

    I think the larger question we have to ask ourselves is can Russia successfully improve its quality of life without going full blown libtard and GloboHomo? The only two examples I can think of is Japan and Israel. High standards of living yet conservative still in their outlook (even downright nationalistic in Israel – defence of the Jewish people)

    Otherwise we can say that is essentially a ticking time bomb in the long run, if Russia’s economy actually does start to improve post-Putin. Although to be fairly honest, I think the days of the Western gravy train are pretty much over and Russia has been simply too late to get onboard so it is very sceptical if Russia can actually acquire that standard of living when the West is starting to decline in the information age…

    That said, I do think Russia is protected from guilt politics compared to the West. No country can point the finger and really blame Russia because you guys can easily retort with “well we had the gulags and we lost 20 million in the war.”

    • Replies: @Passer by
  230. @Peter Akuleyev

    The Polish countryside is very pleasant

    You and AP both have the same problem. You can talk about beauty of Poland all you want, but you can’t avoid the fact that nobody wants to live in the Polish countryside. English toilets are preferable for the Poles.

    • Replies: @AP
  231. Passer by says:
    @Hartnell

    Russia going full blown libtard and GloboHomo.

    Man, what kind of obsession is that about an eastern european country going full libtard? This simply won’t happen, don’t worry about it.

    These countries are outside of the Hajnal line, and full scale libtardation seems to be highly correlated with that.

    Have you seen Eastern Europe that is in the EU and NATO from some time? No one has gone full libtard.

    I have studied the issue personally and the answer is no. It does not work in this part of the world.

    First – the Hajnal line. Collectivism is higher outside of it, which means less individualism and less liberalism. Russia/Eastern Europe is less individualist than the West.

    Second – Russia is in higly competitive area with many very different cultures and civilisations – Eurasia. Liberalism happens in more protected and isolated areas (the end of the European Peninsula, or North America, or ANZ). High competition between neighboring countries is negative for the existance of large scale liberalism.

    Russia has issues with many countries around it, plus too much cultural differences with various different civisations around it (as per Huffington) in order to have open borders. Open borders in Russia’s case would mean islamisation and chinafication of the eastern parts, which would be a mortal threat to the country. It has a defensive mindset. Not conductive for liberalism.

    Third – separatism. The country has issues with it in various areas. Identity politics will simply implode the country. Thus the countries elites are looking for unity and stability, not for identity politics.

    4. Reorientation of the country towards Eurasia. That is – the country will be less and less connected with the West and more connected with the traditional values cultures of Eurasia. Businesses matter. When they are less conected with the West, and more connected with Eurasia, there will be less liberalism coming through them. Tourism is already mostly non-western – in and out.

    5. I already told you about the female testosteron issue, which makes the existance of large scale feminism in an eastern european country unlikely.

    6. The guilt issues that you already mentioned.

    7. Long time religion of the country is quite conservative.

    8. Liberalism seems to be the other side of the medal for racism. That is, formerly “racist” countries seem to be compensating for it by trying to create an “antiracist utopia”. This is hitting mostly western countries. Most of the rest of the world thinks about themselves first, they can not afford to be “saving the world” instead of thinking about themselves.

    9. Western attacks against the country are radicalising it against the West. For example right now Russia is more conservative than before 20 years. It is not possible to have pro-western mindest when they try to dismember your country, move in in former parts of the country, etc. Even young people would not agree to have US bases in, let’s say, Crimea. That would be too much of humiliation.

    10. There are active measures to prevent things like this. The new constitution is precisely about it.
    Highlights of the new Constitution:

    Support for traditional family values.
    Marriage is between man and a woman.
    Mentions God.
    Children are the most important priority for the country.
    Patriotic education for youth.
    Russians are the state – forming ethnicity of Russia.
    Russian language is the nation-forming language.
    Puts russian Constitution above “International law” (0ne of the reasons for this is precisely the attempts to push liberalism in Russia via international law and the ECHR).
    Dual passport holders can not hold positions in the Russian Government, Parliament and Judiciary.

    All of that is coupled with large scale Church building, patriotic education coming in, a Culture Ministry working on it via movies, grants and subsidies, and youth movements such as youth army reaching 1 million teenagers. SJW activity in russian universities is largely not allowed.

    Basically identity politics are incompatible with the existance of Russia as a state. Because then China will say give me this area, Japan will say give me that area, some in Eastern Europe will say give me this, Caucasus will say i’m poor oppressed, i want my state, etc.

    Then in the case of liberal open borders islamisation is more possible than libtardation, as Central Asia right now has more babies than Russia. And the Taliban are taking over in Afghanistan right now.

    So you can have relatively conservative Russia. Or you can have Russia implode. But you can’t have libtarded Russia with identity politics.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Peter Akuleyev
  232. EldnahYm says:
    @AP

    They would help to provide for their siblings’ offspring, not having had offspring of their own. And their siblings’ offspring would likely be carriers of the gene.

    I doubt the effect of uncle provisioning is significant. As for the second sentence, the “positive” impact of an uncle’s provisioning is going to be less(in terms of a gene’s spread) than the negative from his not having children at all. To make up for his not having any children, that uncle would need to have an impact on his sibling such that the sibling produces double the amount of children than the homosexual would have were he not homo(and double the amount the sibling would have had anyway). That is just to break even(and for the impact on the actual gay gene, it’s actually weaker than I say because there is no guarantee the sibling inherited the gene). This is not plausible. Gay genes make no sense, not for 2% of the population.

    [Incidentally, this suggests that maternal thyroid dysfunction may not cause homosexuality; rather, both maternal thyroid dysfunction and homosexuality may be influenced by the same gene/s]

    This is one interpretation. Here is another: Grave disease is an autoimmune disease. It could be that a pathogen causes the autoimmune response and is also responsible for homosexuality in those people. Another possibility is that it’s a spurious correlation. A third possibility is that it is somehow relevant to cause, but only for a tiny number of cases.

    If we thought thyroid problems were involved in causing homosexuality, what we would want to do is look at a large number of homosexuals and try to find how many of them do not descend from people with maternal thyroid dysfunction.

    In any case, this study assume homosexuality is caused by genetics, then look for evidence that it is. But they do not demonstrate homosexuality is caused by genetics(or probably say very much about the probability of homosexuality being caused by genetics) One should always be critical of such methods. We know that tuberculosis is caused by Mycobacterium tuberculosis. But imagine if we didn’t. We could carry out these same genomic and statistical procedures, and undoubtedly we would find something. We might find hits because of technical reasons that have to do with flaws in our methodologies. But we also might find hits for real reasons, because undoubtedly a person’s propensity towards catching various infectious diseases is impacted by genes. But we wouldn’t be finding cause. Mycobacterium tuberculosis is the cause. That is, in the absence of Mycobacterium tuberculosis, you don’t get tuberculosis. These studies are insufficient at determining cause, and one should keep that in mind when evaluating results from these studies.

    Studies show that homosexuality evokes a physiological response (in heterosexual people) of disgust, akin to exposure to feces and corpses. Accordingly, the number of people who become homosexual through some sort of perversity is probably very small, like the number of people who are necrophiliacs and coprophiliacs. For most homosexuals, the cause is physiological.

    The cause of homosexuality is likely physiological, but that does not mean it is necessarily genetic. As I said earlier, Greg Cochran’s pathogenic hypothesis makes the most sense.

    • Replies: @AP
  233. 216 says:
    @Passer by

    All of that is coupled with large scale Church building, patriotic education coming in, a Culture Ministry working on it via movies, grants and subsidies, and youth movements such as youth army reaching 1 million teenagers. SJW activity in russian universities is largely not allowed.

    That’s a 20th century solution to 21st century problems.

    The Latin America of 2000 was decidedly un-pozzed, but the Latin America of 2020 is just as pozzed as its Anglo-American brethren. This despite the rise of charismatic Protestants that promoted social conservatism more than Roman Catholicism does.

    The main reason is that most of the culture is created in New York, Los Angeles, London and the Bay Area. The entire world is drinking the same Coca-Cola, watching the same Disney, speaking the same English, and using the same Big Tech monopolies.

    Disconnecting from this is incredibly hard, you need a society far more authoritarian than the Russia of the present. There is a system dependent on one man, and one export. Take it away and the country may well implode like the Canadian Conservative Party did after Harper.

    • Replies: @Ano4
    , @Passer by
  234. Ano4 says:
    @216

    Welcome to the plastic Age of Jeans and Gyproc.

    We are all experiencing ‘californication” on a global scale.

    Once the West has canceled all the other cultural traditions, will it completely cancel itself?

    One can only hope for this.

    Maybe Muslims will be able to avoid it, I need to read “Submission ” again…

  235. Passer by says:
    @216

    Disagree, Latin America is a US colony which allows for all types of penetration, especially money in politics, media and NGOs. There is lots of unhindred EU influence too.

    Russia intercepts or bans many of those money flows and NGOs. Thus for example Russia, unlike Latin America, has banned Soros organisations from the country. The country does not allow any serious SJW activity in the University system unlike Latin America either.

    Thus, in practical terms, even as the West became more liberal in the last 20 years, Russia became more conservative in the last 20 years.

    The communist era in Eastern Europe served as some kind of immune system to the current SJW spike in the West. Which is another difference with LatAm as well.

  236. AP says:
    @Felix Keverich

    You and AP both have the same problem. You can talk about beauty of Poland all you want, but you can’t avoid the fact that nobody wants to live in the Polish countryside.

    Countrysides everywhere are experiencing population decline. Poland’s countryside is probably getting less depopulated than does Russia’s countryside.

    As you can see, Poland’s countryside is getting depopulated at an uneven rate:

    Really bad in the East (the poorest part of Poland), and also bad alongside the German border (from where it is very easy to work in Germany). But Polish Galicia and a band through the center-west are fine.

  237. AP says:
    @EldnahYm

    The cause of homosexuality is likely physiological, but that does not mean it is necessarily genetic. As I said earlier, Greg Cochran’s pathogenic hypothesis makes the most sense.

    I don’t disagree strongly with this. My main problem was with the idea that same-sex attraction is some kind of expression of depravity. It probably is among a tiny minority, but for the most, it is involuntary.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @EldnahYm
  238. @Dmitry

    Good points. If one were to judge by cleanliness and shabbiness of infrastructure, you would probably conclude that Slovenia is much richer than Manhattan.

  239. @EldnahYm

    I think you are forgetting that, prior to the last century’s celebration of homosexuality as a lifestyle and an identity, rather than simply a sexual kink, many homosexuals ended up fathering children due to social pressure or simply because plenty of men are bisexual. Even now it is hardly unusual for self identified “gay men” in the US to father children. The idea that homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end that never reproduces is simply false. You could argue that in a country like Saudi Arabia most of the men are what people in the West might call homosexuals, but there is enough social pressure brought to bear that those men continue to produce children generation after generation and you end up with a society where the men are far more same-sex attached than in the West.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  240. @Passer by

    The threat to Russia is not libtardization, it is islamization. For all the talk of building churches and the attempts to resurrect the corpse of Orthodoxy, killed by the Bolsheviks in the 1920s, Islam is the most vital religion in the Russian Federation and growing more rapidly than any other.

    Interesting article: https://ria.ru/20190923/1559010788.html

  241. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    My main problem was with the idea that same-sex attraction is some kind of expression of depravity.

    This being so, and holding Christian beliefs, you must at least be somewhat conflicted?

    Saint Paul writing his Epistles

    Romans 1:26-27or this reason [viz. idolatry], God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committingful, what is shameful and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10

    King James Version (1611): “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind”

    Jude 1:7

    “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” (KJV)

    • Replies: @AP
  242. @Mr. Hack

    Because if you enforce extremely repressive policies against the LGBT community, then their faggotry & degeneracy will just go underground.

    Have you not noticed how extremely gay Saudi Arabia is underneath their sodomy-will-result-in-death-pentalty surface?
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/05/the-kingdom-in-the-closet/305774/
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11492867
    https://metro.co.uk/2018/10/29/saudi-arabian-wild-sex-parties-leave-posh-hotel-rooms-covered-in-human-faeces-8085068/

    Or what about the Bacha Bazi phenomenon in supposedly-repressive-towards-LGBT Afghanistan?

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  243. Mr. Hack says:
    @Mary Marianne

    Maybe it should belong underground? Don’t you think that including an exemplar homosexual on most every TV program these days, is a way of sanitizing this lifestyle and helps to promote it within the larger society?

    • Replies: @Mary Marianne
  244. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    My main problem was with the idea that same-sex attraction is some kind of expression of depravity.

    This being so, and holding Christian beliefs, you must at least be somewhat conflicted?

    Homosexual behavior is condemned, but not attraction. Approximately 30% of Roman Catholic priests are homosexual by orientation (but not necessarily by behavior).

    King James Version (1611): “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind”

    So homosexuals are condemned in the same way that heterosexuals who engage in fornication, adulterers, and idolators (such as extreme nationalists) are condemned.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  245. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Any idea about how many of those that are “attracted” do not act upon their impulses? Fornicators, adulterers and idolators apparently don’t act as they do because of a genetic predisposition (as you seem to indicate that homosexuals do) for this kind of behavior, and therefore must have an easier time in distancing themselves from their immoral behavior, but homosexuals would apparently have a tougher time in repudiating their behavior, because it comes more natural to them. Or perhaps I’m jumping to conclusions here?

    • Replies: @AP
  246. AP says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Any idea about how many of those that are “attracted” do not act upon their impulses?

    I don’t know. I’d have guessed not many, in an open society such as ours where they are not ashamed of their attraction and where it is easy for them to find partners. Traditionally such people mostly either followed celibate lifestyles or forced themselves to marry and have kids. Although, given the widespread homosexual behavior in Islamic society, there may have been more going on beneath the surface than is documented.

    Given the involuntary nature of gays’ sexual attraction, the appropriate attitude towards homosexuals is compassion, while also being very aware that this compassion can be misused by evil forces who will use homosexuality as a battering ram with which to destroy culture and traditions.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  247. Mr. Hack says:
    @AP

    Jesus always taught us to practice compassion to our fellow man, but he didn’t shy away from warning us of staying clear of the influences of the Evil One who runs amok to this day, “like a devouring wolf” that seeds violence and destruction wherever he roams.

    Fr. Joshua Trenham of Los Angeles, who’s lived through the LGBT movement’s inception and flowering gives this enlightening talk in Georgia to a large group of listeners, where he discusses the misuse of the gay issue by “evil forces” that are out to destroy the world’s cultures and traditions:

    Any thoughts?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  248. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Fr. Seraphim Rose was homosexual, but renounced sexuality in any form when he became a celibate Orthodox Ascetic.

    https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/nootherfoundation/appreciating-seraphim-rose/

    He is very much respected by many Orthodox people around the world despite having been openly gay.

    • Agree: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @EldnahYm
  249. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Funny that you should mention Fr. Seraphim Rose. I recently obtained his book “Soul After Death” and will start reading it in the very near future.

    I believe that he also was a Buddhist at one time. He was a very well read man and devoted a great deal of his life writing about religious Orthodox topics. I’ve read his book called “Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future” and found it to be quite interesting. Then there’s the recent list of reading materials that you’ve recently provided for me…where can I find some additional time?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  250. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I believe that he also was a Buddhist at one time.

    He has studied under Alan Watts. He had a good grasp on Zen and Taoism and even completed a (Master?) thesis on Taoist concepts of Emptiness and Fullness. Even when he converted to Orthodox Faith he still kept a positive outlook on Zen.

    “Soul after Death” is an interesting book because it helps understand how first Christians saw the Afterlife. Some critics of this book have accused Fr Rose of bringing back Gnostic concepts, but Gnosticism was integral to the development of early Christianity as was Neoplatonicism. Indeed, when I read what little is left of the Gnostic apocryphon of Mary Magdalene, I was struck by the description of the human spirit/soul going through the questioning/debriefing by different evil powers, while ascending to Heaven. Interestingly, this apocryphal gospel also presents some elements that might be considered as influenced by the philosophical concept of “dharmas” in Buddhism. It is a shame that 2/3 of this codex are lost.

    Going back to homosexuality, according to Orthodox Faith we will all be tempted in manifold ways. Temptations do not make one become “perverted” but succumbing to temptation and making its negative aspects an integral part of one’s personality has a “polluting ” or “deforming ” influence on a human soul. A soul that falls under the spell of different temptations cannot come back to God, cannot undergo Theosis.

    Unless God saves it through His Grace, which is always possible when a soul thoroughly repents its sins. No one is lost beyond God’s saving power. This applies equally to all human souls, whatever their ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, past deeds and even religious beliefs.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  251. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    I could be wrong, but I thought that I had read a comment of yours recently stating that you’re not currently a practicing Orthodox Christian. You sure sound like one reading this comment?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  252. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    I am baptized in Orthodox Faith but I have also a strong interest in understanding other religious traditions (or belief systems if you prefer). And I am not a practicing Orthodox Christian.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  253. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    I’ll pray that the Holy Spirit draws you back. Baptismal is important because it sows the seeds of faith
    within your spirit, that acts as a strong magnet that will forever be drawing you back. BTW, I still have a great interest in other religions. One does not preclude the other. Please let me know when you return to the faith.

    • Thanks: Ano4
  254. EldnahYm says:
    @AP

    I don’t disagree strongly with this. My main problem was with the idea that same-sex attraction is some kind of expression of depravity. It probably is among a tiny minority, but for the most, it is involuntary.

    The answer to this partly depends upon one’s ideas about morality. If one thinks certain people are born depraved, and does not think choice is the most important variable, then it does not matter whether their depraved behavior is a question of choice or not. I’m not firmly into either extreme. Certain people are bad enough that I don’t really care to what extent they can or cannot control themselves, the interests of society come first. But I’m willing to accept that there should be limits on how far society is willing to go to purge bad behavior.

    In the case of homosexuality, I am not going to advocate killing or imprisoning homosexuals. But I think homophobia is justified and healthy. Today homosexual males in particular engage in unhealthy behavior, which suggests viewing them as depraved has merit. Also, currently homosexuals have become an effective interest group, which suggests persecuting them will be necessary if society is to be saved from its own degeneracy.

  255. EldnahYm says:
    @Peter Akuleyev

    But there doesn’t need to be zero homosexuals reproducing for it to be an evolutionary dead in the long-term. That some people reproduce is not very important. The average is what’s important. Unless you are going to argue homosexuals are just as likely to reproduce as heterosexuals(or reproduce at very close levels), then there is every reason to suspect homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end(and thus unlikely to be caused by genetics, in most cases).

    In case it needs to be said, I think it highly unlikely(crazy really) that being uninterested in the opposite sex has no or a negligible impact on reproductive fitness. Remember, in most(all?) human societies, there is competition for mates. Also, there is great variability in number of surviving children. Given this, people with behaviors that are more likely to lead to reproduction and survival of the children are more likely to pass on their genes.

    It’s interesting you mention Saudi Arabia. Here is an anecdote. Next door in Oman, the now deceased sultan was widely believed to be a homosexual. How many children did he sire? Zero.

  256. EldnahYm says:
    @Ano4

    Fr. Seraphim Rose was homosexual, but renounced sexuality in any form when he became a celibate Orthodox Ascetic

    Celibates are just as depraved as the promiscuous.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  257. RSDB says:
    @Ano4

    What Christianity did was introduce into the Roman and classical culture an alien way of looking at things which disapproved of all homosexual activity (as well as every other type of adulterous activity, of course) whether “top” or “bottom”. This is not the same as the modern idea of a sharp division but it was, I think, a prerequisite for the development of that idea.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  258. Ano4 says:
    @RSDB

    Christianity is basically Jewish faith with a Zoroastrian add-on and a Neoplatonicist update. Pagan traditions had more diversity built into them. It is true that Christianity simplified the zeitgeist a lot. Hence the current trend towards the Paganism revival in otherwise secular Western societies. As Christianity exits the cultural arena, Paganism/New Age, different weird Cults fill the belief gap. But I believe in the long run it will be Islam and Buddhism which will benefit the most from the weakening of Christianity. And it will impact the sexual behavior of the future generations. Both religions are of course homophobic, with Islam being the most virulent, while Buddhadharma is somewhat more understanding of human flaws, while being still critical of homosexuality.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @RSDB
  259. Ano4 says:
    @EldnahYm

    Celibacy is probably often a choice one makes. I think that homosexuality is largely the opposite, homosexuals usually arguing that they feel having no choice but to feel and behave the way they do.

  260. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Christianity is basically Jewish faith with a Zoroastrian add-on and a Neoplatonicist update.

    But only in a very superficial and tangential way (I actually see some honest creative effort in defining it this way!). Neither Judaism nor Zoroastrianism nor any worthwhile “add-ons” offered the kind of depth and understanding that God intended for his creation, that effervesces from the teachings of the Church fathers, thru centuries of meditation, prayer and writing that we know of today as “theosis”:

    http://orthodoxinfo.com/general/theosis.aspx

    My personal companion guide to happiness and undertanding in these confusing times, out side o the Bible.

    Although in a race for converts in the world with other faiths, it is still the largest religion in the world and is bound to remain so for at least four more decades. In my opinion, it will always remain at the very top for Christ was “the way, the truth and the life”. Amen.
    1,340,000 Chinese Christians in 2009. Today?

    • Replies: @Ano4
  261. RSDB says:
    @Ano4

    Both religions are of course homophobic, with Islam being the most virulent, while Buddhadharma is somewhat more understanding of human flaws, while being still critical of homosexuality.

    I don’t think the Islamic view of sodomy is very different from the Christian view; care to elaborate (using reputable sources preferably)?

    Pagan traditions had more diversity built into them.

    I wouldn’t say it quite that way, I would say that “pagan traditions” have a lot more flexibility built into them in that there is not much “there” there, as the American phrase goes. “Mr. Hack” gives a good response but I wouldn’t be quite so cocky about

    In my opinion, it will always remain at the very top for Christ was “the way, the truth and the life”.

    Even Christ said

    But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    , @Ano4
  262. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Han Chinese have already had the possibility to all convert to Christianity more than a thousand years ago.

    http://www.chinaknowledge.de/Literature/Religion/nestorianism.html

    Some did, the majority didn’t. The Nestorian Church in China had another historic opportunity to influence the Chinese civilization under the Yuan dynasty. Many members of the Mongol aristocracy were Nestorian. Their Christian affinities manifested in offering a high level of official protection to the Russian Orthodox Church during the Golden Horde domination. And yet, the Chinese have continued to consider the Teachings of Christ as just another exotic religion. Even Manichaean faith was more successful, it was at least tangentially connected to the birth of the popular movement leading to the Ming dynasty. Finally Nestorian church in China disappeared under the Ming (as also did Manichaean faith through a dissolution in a somewhat heterodox Buddhist sect).

    I think the Chinese have a psyche that is not conducive to Monotheistic religions. Maybe that is why Buddhism is the only foreign religion that has deeply impacted the Chinese culture. I believe Chinese Buddhism is currently on the rise again, which is fine. Chinese Buddhadharma (in its different forms) is a very respectable belief system.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
  263. Mr. Hack says:
    @RSDB

    But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?

    I think that Christ was trying to get his followers to think about their commitment to their faith. Don’t we already, unfortunately see, if not so much pure apostasy, then wishy washy behavior of so called “Christians” that don’t seem to walk the straight line with the Lord? Christ also said:

    I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot! So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth./blockquote>

    • Replies: @RSDB
  264. Mr. Hack says:
    @Ano4

    Following Christ and his teachings is not a popularity contest, what’s important is how you (or anybody) reacts to his calling. Here’s one more book that I haven’t read (perhaps you have), but I have read many reviews about it, almost all positive, that shows how within Taoism many ideas point towards the coming of Christ. If this is true, this could be the beginning of some sort of Christian opening within China. “Christ the Eternal Tao” presents the Tao Teh Ching as a foreshadowing of what would be revealed by Christ, and Lao Tzu himself as a Far-Eastern prophet of Christ the incarnate God.”


    The author, Hieromonk Damacene, was a very close friend of Saraphim Rose.

    • Replies: @Ano4
  265. Ano4 says:
    @RSDB

    I am too lazy to look for the exact quotations from the Ayats of the Surats of the Noble Scripture (aka Al Qur’an al Karim), but basically the Tribe of Lot (Kawm el Lot) are described as accursed and vile, and their name is used to describe all the male homosexuals (Lowateen).

    Also, the Scripture informs the faithful (mu’minun) that both “masculine females ” and “feminine males” must be ostracized from the community of the faithful (Oummatu’l mu’uminin). This ostracism is to be enforced through violence if needed and killing homosexuals is permitted (qutluhum yadjuz) although probably not a legal obligation, while it is the killing of apostates from Islam.

    However, homosexuality entered Islamic societies through Persian influences (Persians having been themselves initiated by the Greek under the Hellenistic Central Asian dynasties) and it penetrated Islamic culture through the backdoor of poetry, Sufi mendicant orders and other artistic developments. The Turks, strongly influenced by the Persian Sufi and artistic tradition, also helped spread pederastic inclinations outside Central Asia and around the Ottoman Empire.

    Helping this spread in homosexuality in Islamic lands is the very strict segregation of the sexes in traditional Islam, where boys and girls are supposed to wait until marriage before any intercourse or even the most benign forms of flirting. As a consequence, both male and female homosexual behavior are coping mechanisms for the absence of the natural partners of the opposite sex. It’s basically very similar to the homosexual behavior of the incarcerated males, who often substitute gay sexual behavior for the heterosexual one because their urges are simply not finding a more natural venue.

    Of course during Islamic expansion, any worthy Muslim could simply go on raiding into Dar El Harb and copulate with as many captive infidel females as his libido, good fortune and courage allowed him. But these days are long gone, except for some ISIS zealots a few years ago…

  266. Ano4 says:
    @Mr. Hack

    There are several books in this vein trying to help interfaith dialogue.

    An example:

    [MORE]

    I have even read once a book working upon a dialogue between Islam (the ultimate Abrahamic Monotheism = Tawheed) and Buddhism (an atheistic dharmic tradition). It is of course human to try to understand one’s neighbors.

    But each faith is unique and should probably be seen as such. Let a hundred flowers bloom!

    https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/lNhZlqIC006KO4JwhAOKMjMXvw4DV58ZAkx9Z4YXyQOFk6aWz2oHUVK_Ycr7HoM6JMtl9c_EaL-2C-qGLpGJ_aRr6KbR0xB8tc_A3UJlV2dSmYKPez-CTcoJ6BR3-t2YvI2Tf4g

    Maybe despite our absolute inability to be objective, through all these creeds combined we will be able one day to outline the Elephant in the room.

    🙂

  267. RSDB says:
    @Mr. Hack

    Don’t we already, unfortunately see, if not so much pure apostasy, then wishy washy behavior of so called “Christians” that don’t seem to walk the straight line with the Lord?

    Yes, certainly, but we also see a lot of pure apostasy too.

    At the same time the Faith seems to be gaining strength underground in China (I’ve been hearing more of this in the past few years) it is losing people in the West.

    I think that I personally would prefer to live in a society mostly hypocritically Christian rather than a society sincerely anti-Christian, but I’m not sure I get that choice.

  268. @AnonFromTN

    It’s simpler: self-proclaimed Ukrainian nationalism is just a tool of globohomo, like Kurd independence. Only fools don’t see that for the Empire Ukrainian nationalism is exactly as disposable as a condom. Will be discarded whenever the Empire feels like it. Nothing new there: fools will be fooled, as always. As they say in America, there is a sucker born every minute.

    All nationalisms are a tool of globohomo. We’d all be better off in a world without nationalism, ruled from Moscow. Putin can be President of all the Russias that covers the entire globe.

    • Replies: @another anon
  269. @Johann Ricke

    All nationalisms are a tool of globohomo. We’d all be better off in a world without nationalism, ruled from Moscow. Putin can be President of all the Russias that covers the entire globe.

    As it used to be. If you learn some real history, you will know that Great Russian Horde once ruled the whole world.

    Before the Rotschild family treacherously destroyed it with nuclear weapons, and its history was utterly erased.

    https://forgottencountryoftartaria.blogspot.com/2018/12/great-tartaria-was-wiped-out-by-nuclear.html

    This is well known to Russian patriots, but the rest of the world is still in the dark about the real history. This is topic that Unz.com shall explore further.

    • LOL: Ano4, AP
  270. @Mr. Hack

    You can’t control what you can’t see or don’t understand.

    The allowances made in places like Russia are like honeypots that attract flies. They allow the LGBT community enough sweet freedom to keep them complacent and trapped in a few hotspots, but they are not allowed to spread their influence by pushing their narrative onto the general public. That way, they will not secretly spread their influence under the radar.

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