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There’s not much point worrying much over geological existential risks. They come too infrequently too be a major risk, and those that do occur more often, are not big enough to matter in the big picture.

Still, if there’s one risk that is both potentially highly destructive and occurs at a relatively high rate, it is megatsunamis that occur as a result of submarine landslides (masses of land slumping into water as a result of earthquakes or volcanic eruptions). In the Canary Islands, there have been 14 such slides in the past million years (once every 100k years). In the Hawaiian archipelago, there were 68 big slides over the past 2 million years. In total, it is estimated there have been at least 100 big slides that caused megatsunamis during the Quaternary, or once every <25,000 years. This is >1 OOM more frequent than supervolcanoes (~once every million years), which are in turn 2 OOM more frequent than very big asteroid collisions (~once every 100M years).

So probably won’t happen within the lifetime of industrial civilization (250 years and counting). But megatsunamis are a more realistic concern on these timescales. The collapse of a part of Cape Verde 73,000 years ago created a 240 meter tall megatsunami that wiped the coast of West Africa clean. The Storegga Slide in 6170 BC flooded Doggerland and could have been the origin of the world’s flood myths. A slide in Réunion 4,000 years ago flooded West Australia. So this is something that happens within historical time.

According to some early modeling in 2001, a 500 km3 submarine landslide off the Cumbre Vieja volcano in La Palma could create huge waves that will retain a height of 10-25 meters by the time it reaches the Eastern Seaboard.

Such a 10-25 m megatsunami would advance ~30 km into low-lying Florida after just nine hours of warning time. The Caribbean and the West African coast would be wrecked. At least several 100,000sof people would die, a great deal of housing stock would be destroyed, and world markets would go into a hyperdepression. Portugal, Spain ,and the British Isles would sustain some more minor damage from 5-7 meter waves.

These projections have come under question as being too pessimistic or even entirely unrealistic. Nonetheless, it’s something to watch out for, given current developments.

 

 
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  2. Why would the markets go into hyperdepression? West Africa is hardly the center of economic activity. In any event, US will just print more money.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Felix Keverich

    The printing presses will be underwater, but you will probably be able to moor at the Capitol, thus improving commuter time.

    https://i.postimg.cc/5yvDZnRP/The-city-of-shifting-waters.jpg

  3. So once again Moscow’s location is perfect.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Dreadilk

    But what about being zeroed by a (highly speculative) Verneshot


    A verneshot (named after French author Jules Verne) is a hypothetical volcanic eruption event caused by the buildup of gas deep underneath a craton [an old and stable part of the continental lithosphere]. Such an event may be forceful enough to launch an extreme amount of material from the crust and mantle into a sub-orbital trajectory, leading to significant further damage after the material crashes back down to the surface.
     

    Replies: @Dreadilk, @Den Lille Abe

  4. The Severn Channel next to which I live has 10.5m tides. At high tide a 7m tsunami might double due to the narrowing channel. High tide + 15m would get close to my house. On the other hand at low tide it might not be noticed.

    There was a Tsunami which flooded Cardiff in the 17th C with considerable loss of life. Bristol is back from the sea as it is a little way up river through a steep gorge so it escaped. There is suspicsion of another one in the 14th C which destroyed the original market town/port in the area, Kenfig and led to the foundation of Bridgend higher up river instead. (the idea that old cities still exist because they are sited to avoid natural disasters has some rationale).

  5. “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”

    ― Yogi Berra

  6. @Felix Keverich
    Why would the markets go into hyperdepression? West Africa is hardly the center of economic activity. In any event, US will just print more money.

    Replies: @El Dato

    The printing presses will be underwater, but you will probably be able to moor at the Capitol, thus improving commuter time.

  7. IIRC there were several cool nuke assisted geological disaster scenarios modeled by the USSR in the 1960s.

    The coolest/craziest such scenrio was taking out the isthmus of Panama using 4-10 100 MT nukes delivered by the Proton ICBM.

    The Pacific and Atlantic waters start to freely mix across an artificially created 2-5km wide channels,the Gulfstream collapses and Europe resembles Canada or Siberia.

    There was also a tsunami scenario of using giant nuclear depth charges in the geologically unstable ring of fire area..

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Vishnugupta


    The coolest/craziest such scenrio was taking out the isthmus of Panama using 4-10 100 MT nukes delivered by the Proton ICBM.

     

    Is that really sufficient. Sounds low.

    The Pacific and Atlantic waters start to freely mix across an artificially created 2-5km wide channels,the Gulfstream collapses and Europe resembles Canada or Siberia.
     
    After several hundred years? All that water in movement doesn't "collapse" all of a sudden. Shutdown will take a long time.

    Replies: @songbird

    , @Max Payne
    @Vishnugupta

    Slamming ~200x 1 megaton nuclear MIRVs onto Yellowstone fault lines for 15 minutes straight over and over apparently won't do anything but the Pacific and Atlantic touching balls will end the world?

    https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5l80RSfDmDs/YUfR4XEQRdI/AAAAAAAAHbc/-ouYN9EvhA4ibRV1LvJzdTHygukzNwfZACLcBGAsYHQ/s720/antarctic_nsidc_1991.png

    Three oceans are touching balls, the world is not ending. Every winter atmosphere freezes and every summer fresh cold water circulates to three oceans.

    Did you read that off an Indian forum somewhere? Or worse. Twitter?

  8. According to the disaster movie “2012”, Africa will be swept clean, and then can be safely resettled by Euros and Chinese, who will only just survive the event by building gigantic arks.

    Supposing that Hollywood only erred on the side of caution by placing this scenario nine years too early, I humbly suggest that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation now change its priorities.

    • LOL: Yellowface Anon
    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    This would kill all the birds with one stone since 99%+ of Euros & Asians would be drowned and you can't pack 500 million into a dozen gigantic arks. Only Schwab, Gates and Soros' heir would get tickets, not even Fauci or Biden. Store all the knowledge and AI on board and then you could have 4IR with a clean slate and no underclass to suck UBI off your new state.

    This means sending a nuke down Yellowstone.

    The threat posed by natural catastrophes to humans is overrated, since they are largely background forces feeding into existing trends of failure.

    Replies: @songbird

  9. Nonetheless, it’s something to watch out for

    Meaning what exactly? Humans cannot do anything about these mega-tsunamis. Watching out for them is about as useful as complaining about gravity.

    • Agree: Barbarossa
    • Replies: @Barbarossa
    @AnonfromTN

    Better stock up on water wings for the whole family...
    Beat the rush, order now!

  10. @Vishnugupta
    IIRC there were several cool nuke assisted geological disaster scenarios modeled by the USSR in the 1960s.

    The coolest/craziest such scenrio was taking out the isthmus of Panama using 4-10 100 MT nukes delivered by the Proton ICBM.

    The Pacific and Atlantic waters start to freely mix across an artificially created 2-5km wide channels,the Gulfstream collapses and Europe resembles Canada or Siberia.

    There was also a tsunami scenario of using giant nuclear depth charges in the geologically unstable ring of fire area..

    Replies: @El Dato, @Max Payne

    The coolest/craziest such scenrio was taking out the isthmus of Panama using 4-10 100 MT nukes delivered by the Proton ICBM.

    Is that really sufficient. Sounds low.

    The Pacific and Atlantic waters start to freely mix across an artificially created 2-5km wide channels,the Gulfstream collapses and Europe resembles Canada or Siberia.

    After several hundred years? All that water in movement doesn’t “collapse” all of a sudden. Shutdown will take a long time.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @El Dato

    Would only make the canal bigger, for nuclear-powered ships.

  11. Seems to me that the biggest threat to humanity is dysgenics.

    However, if I had to choose among natural disasters by considering probabilities, I would ask, which one is most likely to spread atomophobia, to the point where the power of the atom is completely lost to Green ideologues?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    I agree, though dysgenics might be a self-resolving problem in the long run. Still, it would be nice not to waste many centuries on that.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @JLK

  12. Possibly Washington (not the city, but the state in North West America) has a greater risk of a tsunami, and would less warning time, and America has been very unprepared for this scenario.

    Hopefully, timing of the event will be far enough in the future, that the adequate disaster preparation and infrastructure to prepare for this disaster will have been constructed there. (Although Japan had tried to prepare for tsunamis in the areas which were damaged in 2011, and yet when the tsunami came, there were shown to be still very insufficient investments).

    • Thanks: Voltarde
  13. @El Dato
    @Vishnugupta


    The coolest/craziest such scenrio was taking out the isthmus of Panama using 4-10 100 MT nukes delivered by the Proton ICBM.

     

    Is that really sufficient. Sounds low.

    The Pacific and Atlantic waters start to freely mix across an artificially created 2-5km wide channels,the Gulfstream collapses and Europe resembles Canada or Siberia.
     
    After several hundred years? All that water in movement doesn't "collapse" all of a sudden. Shutdown will take a long time.

    Replies: @songbird

    Would only make the canal bigger, for nuclear-powered ships.

  14. @songbird
    Seems to me that the biggest threat to humanity is dysgenics.

    However, if I had to choose among natural disasters by considering probabilities, I would ask, which one is most likely to spread atomophobia, to the point where the power of the atom is completely lost to Green ideologues?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    I agree, though dysgenics might be a self-resolving problem in the long run. Still, it would be nice not to waste many centuries on that.

    • Agree: songbird
    • Replies: @Not Raul
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Could dysgenics help explain the collapse of Classical civilization?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Papinian, @Agathoklis

    , @JLK
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Interesting comment. How so?

    ---------------------------------------------------------
    As far as an Atlantic tsunami is concerned, the odds are long, but it has happened before and is certainly possible when the volcano acts up and there are seismic swarms.

    I remember the fuss about the Yellowstone volcano several years ago, with seismic activity and Yellowstone Lake heating up. It'll eventually blow again, but the chances are long against it any given year, or during any given low-level seismic activity. A major eruption could destroy agricultural production in the Midwestern US for years.

  15. @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    I agree, though dysgenics might be a self-resolving problem in the long run. Still, it would be nice not to waste many centuries on that.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @JLK

    Could dysgenics help explain the collapse of Classical civilization?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    @Not Raul

    It used to be just about axiomatic that this was the cause of collapse of all civilizations.

    Of course, they didn't use the word "dysgenics". They would say something like, "The race had run its course."

    It's really only us too-clever moderns who have come up with triple-bank-shot theories like "lead pipes theory" or "catabolic collapse" or whatever.

    , @Papinian
    @Not Raul

    Gibbon's phrase for the citizens of the late Roman Empire was "race of diminutive men".

    , @Agathoklis
    @Not Raul

    Advances in ancient and modern DNA strongly indicate there was no significant change in DNA. Most of the changes in DNA in ancient populations happened before the Iron Age (before Classical Civilisation). Regardless, there was no collapse of Classical Civilisation but it gradually morphed into something else while retaining many features of the old. For example, in Byzantium they still read Homer (a foundational text for young boys) and Aristotle but they read it differently.

    Replies: @Barbarroja

  16. @Anatoly Karlin
    @songbird

    I agree, though dysgenics might be a self-resolving problem in the long run. Still, it would be nice not to waste many centuries on that.

    Replies: @Not Raul, @JLK

    Interesting comment. How so?

    ———————————————————
    As far as an Atlantic tsunami is concerned, the odds are long, but it has happened before and is certainly possible when the volcano acts up and there are seismic swarms.

    I remember the fuss about the Yellowstone volcano several years ago, with seismic activity and Yellowstone Lake heating up. It’ll eventually blow again, but the chances are long against it any given year, or during any given low-level seismic activity. A major eruption could destroy agricultural production in the Midwestern US for years.

  17. @Vishnugupta
    IIRC there were several cool nuke assisted geological disaster scenarios modeled by the USSR in the 1960s.

    The coolest/craziest such scenrio was taking out the isthmus of Panama using 4-10 100 MT nukes delivered by the Proton ICBM.

    The Pacific and Atlantic waters start to freely mix across an artificially created 2-5km wide channels,the Gulfstream collapses and Europe resembles Canada or Siberia.

    There was also a tsunami scenario of using giant nuclear depth charges in the geologically unstable ring of fire area..

    Replies: @El Dato, @Max Payne

    Slamming ~200x 1 megaton nuclear MIRVs onto Yellowstone fault lines for 15 minutes straight over and over apparently won’t do anything but the Pacific and Atlantic touching balls will end the world?

    Three oceans are touching balls, the world is not ending. Every winter atmosphere freezes and every summer fresh cold water circulates to three oceans.

    Did you read that off an Indian forum somewhere? Or worse. Twitter?

  18. @Not Raul
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Could dysgenics help explain the collapse of Classical civilization?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Papinian, @Agathoklis

    It used to be just about axiomatic that this was the cause of collapse of all civilizations.

    Of course, they didn’t use the word “dysgenics”. They would say something like, “The race had run its course.”

    It’s really only us too-clever moderns who have come up with triple-bank-shot theories like “lead pipes theory” or “catabolic collapse” or whatever.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
  19. In total, it is estimated there have been at least 100 big slides that caused megatsunamis during the Quaternary, or once every 1 OOM more frequent than supervolcanoes (~once every million years), which are in turn 2 OOM more frequent than very big asteroid collisions (~once every 100M years).

    Old and busted: Hoping for the asteroid impact.

    The new hotness: Hoping for the megatsunami.

    Cape Verde 73,000 years ago created a 240 meter tall megatsunami that wiped the coast of West Africa clean.

    Based.

    • Agree: Hangnail Hans
  20. Wasn’t Fukushima a very powerful tsunami? I mean, Fukushima reactions are retarded, everyone was focused on the nuclear power plant that didn’t really kill anybody, but the earthquake and the floods actually killed 20,000 people. But its like they are invisible.

    And that’s in earthquake hardened Japan.

    Now imagine Fukushima+, same earthquake and tsunami, but slightly more powerful.

    So all those microchip factories, industrial materials factories, in East Asia are under water. How fast can we train the ocean squid to operate a printed circuit board factory? I mean, they are pretty intelligent, and will demand high wages. It can be a problem.

    A few good quakes can put the planetary industrial centers under water. Problematic, unless you are an ocean squid.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
    @mal

    You have NO idea whether the melted down Fukushima nukes have caused death already, or will do so in future. Why pretend otherwise?

    Replies: @mal

  21. @Not Raul
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Could dysgenics help explain the collapse of Classical civilization?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Papinian, @Agathoklis

    Gibbon’s phrase for the citizens of the late Roman Empire was “race of diminutive men”.

  22. They found house sized boulders inland from the coast on the south coast of NSW in Austfailia, and finally realised that they were moved from mega-tsunamis from island collapse in Hawaii. And Etna’s eastern flank collapsing wiped out much of the Levant eight thousand years ago.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
    @mulga mumblebrain

    This is clearly where the Biblical flood myth comes from.

  23. @mal
    Wasn't Fukushima a very powerful tsunami? I mean, Fukushima reactions are retarded, everyone was focused on the nuclear power plant that didn't really kill anybody, but the earthquake and the floods actually killed 20,000 people. But its like they are invisible.

    And that's in earthquake hardened Japan.

    Now imagine Fukushima+, same earthquake and tsunami, but slightly more powerful.

    So all those microchip factories, industrial materials factories, in East Asia are under water. How fast can we train the ocean squid to operate a printed circuit board factory? I mean, they are pretty intelligent, and will demand high wages. It can be a problem.

    A few good quakes can put the planetary industrial centers under water. Problematic, unless you are an ocean squid.

    Replies: @mulga mumblebrain

    You have NO idea whether the melted down Fukushima nukes have caused death already, or will do so in future. Why pretend otherwise?

    • Replies: @mal
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How many Fukushima deaths have there been due to actual radiation poisoning? Next to none.

    Its like when Americans tested their hydrogen bomb and Japanese fishing boat got caught in the blast range.

    Well, yes, the skipper on that boat died soon afterwards. He was a syphilitic alcoholic and US Navy, while trying to rescue him, messed up his blood type, and destroyed his liver and he died. The rest of his crew was fine and were making anti-nuclear speeches into their 90's.

    Same deal with Fukushima. There will be a lot of scary reports, but nothing long term will be linked to the reactor once long term comorbidities are accounted for.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato

  24. @mulga mumblebrain
    They found house sized boulders inland from the coast on the south coast of NSW in Austfailia, and finally realised that they were moved from mega-tsunamis from island collapse in Hawaii. And Etna's eastern flank collapsing wiped out much of the Levant eight thousand years ago.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    This is clearly where the Biblical flood myth comes from.

  25. @songbird
    According to the disaster movie "2012", Africa will be swept clean, and then can be safely resettled by Euros and Chinese, who will only just survive the event by building gigantic arks.

    Supposing that Hollywood only erred on the side of caution by placing this scenario nine years too early, I humbly suggest that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation now change its priorities.

    Replies: @Yellowface Anon

    This would kill all the birds with one stone since 99%+ of Euros & Asians would be drowned and you can’t pack 500 million into a dozen gigantic arks. Only Schwab, Gates and Soros’ heir would get tickets, not even Fauci or Biden. Store all the knowledge and AI on board and then you could have 4IR with a clean slate and no underclass to suck UBI off your new state.

    This means sending a nuke down Yellowstone.

    [MORE]

    The threat posed by natural catastrophes to humans is overrated, since they are largely background forces feeding into existing trends of failure.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    I guess if you needed to pay a huge chunk of change for a ticket, it would mainly be the high finance people who survive, maybe some big real estate developers, and a few dictators. But very little to no scientists.

    Wouldn't necessarily give them high odds. Might make an interesting scifi story, if they survive in their New Zealand bunkers and are trying to look for other survivors to till the land and so they can exploit them.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

  26. I think it is technically incorrect to say that a tsunami “retains” a height of 10-25 meters as it moves across the ocean toward the seaboard. Actually, it possesses no height to retain. It is in reality a strong pulse of invisible fast-moving energy below the surface. It might be at most one meter tall. A ship would not know that a tsunami has passed. then, when it reaches the shallow shoreline, the energy pulse forms a tall wave. The exception is that a tall wave in mid-ocean might exist every hundred kilometers or so. But in between these, it is just an energy pulse.

    http://itic.ioc-unesco.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1204:why-arent-tsunamis-seen-at-sea-or-from-the-air&catid=1340&Itemid=2053

  27. @AnonfromTN

    Nonetheless, it’s something to watch out for
     
    Meaning what exactly? Humans cannot do anything about these mega-tsunamis. Watching out for them is about as useful as complaining about gravity.

    Replies: @Barbarossa

    Better stock up on water wings for the whole family…
    Beat the rush, order now!

  28. @mulga mumblebrain
    @mal

    You have NO idea whether the melted down Fukushima nukes have caused death already, or will do so in future. Why pretend otherwise?

    Replies: @mal

    How many Fukushima deaths have there been due to actual radiation poisoning? Next to none.

    Its like when Americans tested their hydrogen bomb and Japanese fishing boat got caught in the blast range.

    Well, yes, the skipper on that boat died soon afterwards. He was a syphilitic alcoholic and US Navy, while trying to rescue him, messed up his blood type, and destroyed his liver and he died. The rest of his crew was fine and were making anti-nuclear speeches into their 90’s.

    Same deal with Fukushima. There will be a lot of scary reports, but nothing long term will be linked to the reactor once long term comorbidities are accounted for.

    • Replies: @A123
    @mal


    Writing from East Central Florida, it’s enough to keep one awake, but I take comfort in knowing that if it takes out NYC & D.C., (as such almost surely would) it would be worth dying for.
     
    The last time I heard this concept was a number of years ago, the more mathematically robust scientific modelers pointed out two huge problems with the doomsday models. I did a brief look but my 1st pass did not find the articles from back then. If I can find them I will share them.

    -1- When the wave steps up onto a continental shelf area it loses energy density rapidly as it spreads out.
    -2- Inland areas protected by barrier land and an Inter Coastal waterways (where wide enough) will extract huge amounts of energy from a Tsunami even thugh the distance travelled is not particularly far. Something about the decline from above sea level back down into the inter coastal breaks the energy wave into multiple peaks and reflects some of the force back out to sea.

    The map below shows the continental shelf area, and much of Atlantic coast has barrier island/peninsula and inter coastal formations. Inland areas of Florida & South Carolina are probably fairly secure. However, as you move north there are more large river entrances and less shelf. North Carolina & DC inland areas are much more vulnerable.

    Even a 4-6 meter surge will wipe out pretty much everything on the inter coastal land formation. Some of the smaller islands may vanish entirely if they are scoured down a few feet. It would definitely be a bad day to be on the beach.
    ____________

    The doomsday catastrophic scenarios I found most eyebrow raising are the ones for the San Joaquin Valley in California. Over pumping has:
    -- Sunk everything by 5-10 feet.
    -- Worst locations have subsided by ~40 feet.
    -- The aquifer water table has gone down 100-200 feet.
    In the history of the human race nothing this large has been this artificially drained. All of the modelers are concerned about potential undiscovered unique impacts that could have unknowable consequences.

    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.

    The higher % problem is "channeling". Salt intrusion into the entire aquifer system if the Pacific "tops up" the water table via new underground connections. Everything that depends of pumping fresh water is rendered non-viable.

    PEACE 😇

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Charles_Finkl/publication/234064144/figure/download/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Atlantic-continental-shelf-along-the-eastern-seaboard-of-the-US-from-Florida-to-New-York.png

    Replies: @El Dato

    , @El Dato
    @mal

    But Japan got lucky as the winds pushed the radioactive plumes from the meltdowns out to the sea (seriously energizing a US CVN - radioactive iodine and whatnot could be found behind various sorts of internal piping a long time after). Plus, they hadn't loaded magnox, or there would also have been plutonium dust.

    If the winds had been different, they would probably still be scrubbing Tokio with water and soap.

    Lady luck smiled, so let's build those nuclear reactors better. Why doesn't Japan just set them onto pontons out at sea? Problem? Open the trapdoor!

    Replies: @Resartus

  29. Timing of article is splendid given that about the moment it was posted, (about 8.7 hours ago on the evening of 9/19/21), the Canary islands volcano just started erupting: https://www.metro.us/lava-pours-out-of/

    Writing from East Central Florida, it’s enough to keep one awake, but I take comfort in knowing that if it takes out NYC & D.C., (as such almost surely would) it would be worth dying for.
    R.C.

  30. @Not Raul
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Could dysgenics help explain the collapse of Classical civilization?

    Replies: @Almost Missouri, @Papinian, @Agathoklis

    Advances in ancient and modern DNA strongly indicate there was no significant change in DNA. Most of the changes in DNA in ancient populations happened before the Iron Age (before Classical Civilisation). Regardless, there was no collapse of Classical Civilisation but it gradually morphed into something else while retaining many features of the old. For example, in Byzantium they still read Homer (a foundational text for young boys) and Aristotle but they read it differently.

    • Thanks: Not Raul
    • Replies: @Barbarroja
    @Agathoklis

    The only part of the DNA in which we can see some Italian influence across the Empire is the Y-chromosome, but it becomes substantial only in some areas, like SW-Iberia (where many legion veterans were settled). It's also my case, my J2b relatives hail mostly from central Italy.

    Replies: @Agathoklis

  31. The collapse of a part of Cape Verde 73,000 years ago created a 240 meter tall megatsunami that wiped the coast of West Africa clean.

    LOL it did such a piss poor job didn’t it?

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Technically speaking, I think the victims would probably have been a lot of ancient hominids, mostly not humans, but maybe the source of the ghost DNA that a lot of West Africans have.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

  32. @mal
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How many Fukushima deaths have there been due to actual radiation poisoning? Next to none.

    Its like when Americans tested their hydrogen bomb and Japanese fishing boat got caught in the blast range.

    Well, yes, the skipper on that boat died soon afterwards. He was a syphilitic alcoholic and US Navy, while trying to rescue him, messed up his blood type, and destroyed his liver and he died. The rest of his crew was fine and were making anti-nuclear speeches into their 90's.

    Same deal with Fukushima. There will be a lot of scary reports, but nothing long term will be linked to the reactor once long term comorbidities are accounted for.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato

    Writing from East Central Florida, it’s enough to keep one awake, but I take comfort in knowing that if it takes out NYC & D.C., (as such almost surely would) it would be worth dying for.

    The last time I heard this concept was a number of years ago, the more mathematically robust scientific modelers pointed out two huge problems with the doomsday models. I did a brief look but my 1st pass did not find the articles from back then. If I can find them I will share them.

    -1- When the wave steps up onto a continental shelf area it loses energy density rapidly as it spreads out.
    -2- Inland areas protected by barrier land and an Inter Coastal waterways (where wide enough) will extract huge amounts of energy from a Tsunami even thugh the distance travelled is not particularly far. Something about the decline from above sea level back down into the inter coastal breaks the energy wave into multiple peaks and reflects some of the force back out to sea.

    The map below shows the continental shelf area, and much of Atlantic coast has barrier island/peninsula and inter coastal formations. Inland areas of Florida & South Carolina are probably fairly secure. However, as you move north there are more large river entrances and less shelf. North Carolina & DC inland areas are much more vulnerable.

    Even a 4-6 meter surge will wipe out pretty much everything on the inter coastal land formation. Some of the smaller islands may vanish entirely if they are scoured down a few feet. It would definitely be a bad day to be on the beach.
    ____________

    The doomsday catastrophic scenarios I found most eyebrow raising are the ones for the San Joaquin Valley in California. Over pumping has:
    — Sunk everything by 5-10 feet.
    — Worst locations have subsided by ~40 feet.
    — The aquifer water table has gone down 100-200 feet.
    In the history of the human race nothing this large has been this artificially drained. All of the modelers are concerned about potential undiscovered unique impacts that could have unknowable consequences.

    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.

    The higher % problem is “channeling”. Salt intrusion into the entire aquifer system if the Pacific “tops up” the water table via new underground connections. Everything that depends of pumping fresh water is rendered non-viable.

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: mal
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @A123


    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.
     
    Life is full of surprises!

    The Really Big One: An earthquake will destroy a sizable portion of the coastal Northwest. The question is when.


    Flick your right fingers outward, forcefully, so that your hand flattens back down again. When the next very big earthquake hits, the northwest edge of the continent, from California to Canada and the continental shelf to the Cascades, will drop by as much as six feet and rebound thirty to a hundred feet to the west—losing, within minutes, all the elevation and compression it has gained over centuries. Some of that shift will take place beneath the ocean, displacing a colossal quantity of seawater. (Watch what your fingertips do when you flatten your hand.) The water will surge upward into a huge hill, then promptly collapse. One side will rush west, toward Japan. The other side will rush east, in a seven-hundred-mile liquid wall that will reach the Northwest coast, on average, fifteen minutes after the earthquake begins. By the time the shaking has ceased and the tsunami has receded, the region will be unrecognizable. Kenneth Murphy, who directs FEMA’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”
     
  33. Beauty of diversity…

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/fatal-shooting-incident-takes-place-russian-university-ifax-2021-09-20/

    Eight killed in Russian university shooting, gunman ‘liquidated’

    A student opened fire at a university in the Russian city of Perm on Monday, killing at least eight people and wounding several, law enforcement said.
    …………………………..

    Another source, in Croatian:
    https://www.telegram.hr/politika-kriminal/ovo-je-18-godisnji-napadac-koji-je-pucao-na-sveucilistu-u-ruskom-permu-i-ubio-osam-ljudi-ostavio-je-poruku/

    Timur Bekmansurov

    Ru:

    https://www.vesti.ru/article/2615708

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4995910

  34. The Storegga Slide in 6170 BC flooded Doggerland and could have been the origin of the world’s flood myths.

    Based on the Wikipedia link, which only mentions flooding around the North Sea, it seems unlikely that the Storegga Slide would have inspired flood myths in Mesopotamia and elsewhere, though it could of course be the source of lesser known Northern European flood myths.

  35. Gang upland wins again.

  36. @Dreadilk
    So once again Moscow's location is perfect.

    Replies: @El Dato

    But what about being zeroed by a (highly speculative) Verneshot

    A verneshot (named after French author Jules Verne) is a hypothetical volcanic eruption event caused by the buildup of gas deep underneath a craton [an old and stable part of the continental lithosphere]. Such an event may be forceful enough to launch an extreme amount of material from the crust and mantle into a sub-orbital trajectory, leading to significant further damage after the material crashes back down to the surface.

    • Replies: @Dreadilk
    @El Dato

    That would make for a cool doomsday device. Skaven in Warhammer have Skaven tide where they build under the civilization and then emerge all at once. Then they also just have a giant bomb too.

    Edit: that reminds me I want to do a skaven play through where I just use underempire to conquer.

    , @Den Lille Abe
    @El Dato

    Krakatoa exploded in 1882 (I think) The dust reached Scandinavia, and temperatures dropped 1-3 degrees for 3 years. That was a big bang!

  37. @A123
    @mal


    Writing from East Central Florida, it’s enough to keep one awake, but I take comfort in knowing that if it takes out NYC & D.C., (as such almost surely would) it would be worth dying for.
     
    The last time I heard this concept was a number of years ago, the more mathematically robust scientific modelers pointed out two huge problems with the doomsday models. I did a brief look but my 1st pass did not find the articles from back then. If I can find them I will share them.

    -1- When the wave steps up onto a continental shelf area it loses energy density rapidly as it spreads out.
    -2- Inland areas protected by barrier land and an Inter Coastal waterways (where wide enough) will extract huge amounts of energy from a Tsunami even thugh the distance travelled is not particularly far. Something about the decline from above sea level back down into the inter coastal breaks the energy wave into multiple peaks and reflects some of the force back out to sea.

    The map below shows the continental shelf area, and much of Atlantic coast has barrier island/peninsula and inter coastal formations. Inland areas of Florida & South Carolina are probably fairly secure. However, as you move north there are more large river entrances and less shelf. North Carolina & DC inland areas are much more vulnerable.

    Even a 4-6 meter surge will wipe out pretty much everything on the inter coastal land formation. Some of the smaller islands may vanish entirely if they are scoured down a few feet. It would definitely be a bad day to be on the beach.
    ____________

    The doomsday catastrophic scenarios I found most eyebrow raising are the ones for the San Joaquin Valley in California. Over pumping has:
    -- Sunk everything by 5-10 feet.
    -- Worst locations have subsided by ~40 feet.
    -- The aquifer water table has gone down 100-200 feet.
    In the history of the human race nothing this large has been this artificially drained. All of the modelers are concerned about potential undiscovered unique impacts that could have unknowable consequences.

    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.

    The higher % problem is "channeling". Salt intrusion into the entire aquifer system if the Pacific "tops up" the water table via new underground connections. Everything that depends of pumping fresh water is rendered non-viable.

    PEACE 😇

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Charles_Finkl/publication/234064144/figure/download/fig1/AS:[email protected]/Atlantic-continental-shelf-along-the-eastern-seaboard-of-the-US-from-Florida-to-New-York.png

    Replies: @El Dato

    Due to lack of support, a major earthquake could cause massive sudden subsidence. Imagine the entire San Joaquin Valley filling with Sea Water as a marsh & sea area. A low % chance to be sure, but not impossible.

    Life is full of surprises!

    The Really Big One: An earthquake will destroy a sizable portion of the coastal Northwest. The question is when.

    Flick your right fingers outward, forcefully, so that your hand flattens back down again. When the next very big earthquake hits, the northwest edge of the continent, from California to Canada and the continental shelf to the Cascades, will drop by as much as six feet and rebound thirty to a hundred feet to the west—losing, within minutes, all the elevation and compression it has gained over centuries. Some of that shift will take place beneath the ocean, displacing a colossal quantity of seawater. (Watch what your fingertips do when you flatten your hand.) The water will surge upward into a huge hill, then promptly collapse. One side will rush west, toward Japan. The other side will rush east, in a seven-hundred-mile liquid wall that will reach the Northwest coast, on average, fifteen minutes after the earthquake begins. By the time the shaking has ceased and the tsunami has receded, the region will be unrecognizable. Kenneth Murphy, who directs FEMA’s Region X, the division responsible for Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and Alaska, says, “Our operating assumption is that everything west of Interstate 5 will be toast.”

  38. Interesting:

    https://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2017/07/14/la-palma-part-2/

    Dave Petley writes:

    This [small] fault scarp [3m elevation change present as a feature in the landscape] did not reactivate in the smaller 1971 eruption. Monitoring of the flanks suggest that there is no sign of rapid current movement on this scale, but that there may be some signs from satellite data of very low velocity creep on this slope, which is not a surprise (this may well be true of all large slopes in weak materials). Thus, the mega-landslide hypothesis is that this volcano would only become unstable in a future eruption, and that in such circumstances the flank could collapse in a single coherent block to generate the tsunami. The paper that modeled the tsunami, Ward and Day (2001) modeled a landslide of about 450 cubic kilometres – i.e. they took the very largest volume that is imaginable. This seems a little odd to me – the rear scarp of their mega-landslide appears not to mobilise the scarp shown above, but one considerably to the east, creating a much larger block. I am not sure that I understand the reasoning for this. The model then assumes a series of extreme scenarios:

    > The landslide occurs as a single coherent mass along the entirety of the ridge (thus over a distance of 25 kilometres);
    > The landslide occurs as a single coherent mass through the cross-section (i.e. there is a single failure event over the 15 kilometre cross-section of the slope, rather than a series of retrogressive slip blocks);
    > This huge block remains intact over a travel distance of 15 km before fragmenting;
    > The landslide mass rapidly reaches a peak velocity of 100 m/sec (360 km/h)

    A change (reduction) in any of these parameters would yield a much smaller tsunami. For example, subsequent work (Abadie et al. 2012) has taken the “credible worst case scenario” (derived using slope stability analysis), to have a volume of 80 cubic kilometres (but note the factor of safety of the slope was found to be considerably higher than one, indicating that the slope is not particularly unstable). Modelling of the tsunami generated by such a landslide, using a more refined tsunami simulation, does generate a very significant wave close to La Palma. This wave would be significant as it crossed the continental shelf off the east coast of North America, but would lose a great deal of energy due to frictional effects in this region. Thus, for a 80 cubic kilometre “credible worst case scenario” flank collapse on La Palma, wave heights on the east coast of the USA were found by Tehranirad et al. (2015) to be less than 2 metres along the coastline.

  39. In Crichton’s State of Fear bad guys are trying to cause this to happen.

    Let’s hope someone doesn’t take it as an instruction manual.

  40. @Grahamsno(G64)

    The collapse of a part of Cape Verde 73,000 years ago created a 240 meter tall megatsunami that wiped the coast of West Africa clean.
     
    LOL it did such a piss poor job didn't it?

    Replies: @songbird

    Technically speaking, I think the victims would probably have been a lot of ancient hominids, mostly not humans, but maybe the source of the ghost DNA that a lot of West Africans have.

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
    @songbird

    This old paleo anthropological narrative has changed with genome sequencing it's very interesting I suspect that proto humans are much older than previously supposed and very mixed up even the 'Homo Sapiens' species division will be under question.

  41. @Yellowface Anon
    @songbird

    This would kill all the birds with one stone since 99%+ of Euros & Asians would be drowned and you can't pack 500 million into a dozen gigantic arks. Only Schwab, Gates and Soros' heir would get tickets, not even Fauci or Biden. Store all the knowledge and AI on board and then you could have 4IR with a clean slate and no underclass to suck UBI off your new state.

    This means sending a nuke down Yellowstone.

    The threat posed by natural catastrophes to humans is overrated, since they are largely background forces feeding into existing trends of failure.

    Replies: @songbird

    I guess if you needed to pay a huge chunk of change for a ticket, it would mainly be the high finance people who survive, maybe some big real estate developers, and a few dictators. But very little to no scientists.

    Wouldn’t necessarily give them high odds. Might make an interesting scifi story, if they survive in their New Zealand bunkers and are trying to look for other survivors to till the land and so they can exploit them.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
    @songbird

    Who would take out their trash, unclog their toilets, get the generator back up running, clean the solar panels, etc.?

    Think of a corporate manufacturing facility with only the C level management showing up to work.

  42. Lots of Mystics/Saints Prophecies as to these Natural Disasters coming on top of the created Man made ones (CVirus/plagues) all coming together as to our times right now and what will happen between now and 2033 including this one by a Saint who has been very accurate (by the time this period ends around 2033 the World Population is predicted to be a fraction of what it is now due to the man made “Elite” plagues/depopulation and then the “Natrural”/God sent disasters):

    https://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/800-years-old-prophecy-shows-destruction-coming-to-america-hildegard-von-bingen

    http://www.catholicityblog.com/2017/06/prophecy-of-saint-hildegard-about-end.html

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @Getaclue

    I don't need a rancid prophecy (basically random noise distilled into the significance inflation) to tell you that destruction is coming to America.

  43. @mal
    @mulga mumblebrain

    How many Fukushima deaths have there been due to actual radiation poisoning? Next to none.

    Its like when Americans tested their hydrogen bomb and Japanese fishing boat got caught in the blast range.

    Well, yes, the skipper on that boat died soon afterwards. He was a syphilitic alcoholic and US Navy, while trying to rescue him, messed up his blood type, and destroyed his liver and he died. The rest of his crew was fine and were making anti-nuclear speeches into their 90's.

    Same deal with Fukushima. There will be a lot of scary reports, but nothing long term will be linked to the reactor once long term comorbidities are accounted for.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato

    But Japan got lucky as the winds pushed the radioactive plumes from the meltdowns out to the sea (seriously energizing a US CVN – radioactive iodine and whatnot could be found behind various sorts of internal piping a long time after). Plus, they hadn’t loaded magnox, or there would also have been plutonium dust.

    If the winds had been different, they would probably still be scrubbing Tokio with water and soap.

    Lady luck smiled, so let’s build those nuclear reactors better. Why doesn’t Japan just set them onto pontons out at sea? Problem? Open the trapdoor!

    • Replies: @Resartus
    @El Dato


    Lady luck smiled, so let’s build those nuclear reactors better.
     
    The reactor building took little damage from the Wave....
    Issue was, the Generator Building housing power to move water into and out of the cooling ponds was basically destroyed....
    Yes, it's part of the whole system, but damage to the reactor was not the cause of the meltdown....
  44. @Getaclue
    Lots of Mystics/Saints Prophecies as to these Natural Disasters coming on top of the created Man made ones (CVirus/plagues) all coming together as to our times right now and what will happen between now and 2033 including this one by a Saint who has been very accurate (by the time this period ends around 2033 the World Population is predicted to be a fraction of what it is now due to the man made "Elite" plagues/depopulation and then the "Natrural"/God sent disasters):

    https://whygodreallyexists.com/archives/800-years-old-prophecy-shows-destruction-coming-to-america-hildegard-von-bingen

    http://www.catholicityblog.com/2017/06/prophecy-of-saint-hildegard-about-end.html

    Replies: @El Dato

    I don’t need a rancid prophecy (basically random noise distilled into the significance inflation) to tell you that destruction is coming to America.

  45. Palma volcano pretty spectacular but too close to people for comfort. Live feed AFAIK.

  46. @El Dato
    @mal

    But Japan got lucky as the winds pushed the radioactive plumes from the meltdowns out to the sea (seriously energizing a US CVN - radioactive iodine and whatnot could be found behind various sorts of internal piping a long time after). Plus, they hadn't loaded magnox, or there would also have been plutonium dust.

    If the winds had been different, they would probably still be scrubbing Tokio with water and soap.

    Lady luck smiled, so let's build those nuclear reactors better. Why doesn't Japan just set them onto pontons out at sea? Problem? Open the trapdoor!

    Replies: @Resartus

    Lady luck smiled, so let’s build those nuclear reactors better.

    The reactor building took little damage from the Wave….
    Issue was, the Generator Building housing power to move water into and out of the cooling ponds was basically destroyed….
    Yes, it’s part of the whole system, but damage to the reactor was not the cause of the meltdown….

  47. @songbird
    @Grahamsno(G64)

    Technically speaking, I think the victims would probably have been a lot of ancient hominids, mostly not humans, but maybe the source of the ghost DNA that a lot of West Africans have.

    Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)

    This old paleo anthropological narrative has changed with genome sequencing it’s very interesting I suspect that proto humans are much older than previously supposed and very mixed up even the ‘Homo Sapiens’ species division will be under question.

  48. Amazing daylight drone footage of Palma, some nice homes and pools being destroyed. Vent seems to have opened further down the hill, towards the more populated areas.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    @YetAnotherAnon

    The moment when you could use lobster for some boiling but you don't have any.

    Also, protect lava from COVID, we are all in this together:

    https://twitter.com/Juanmi_News/status/1440408346075353095

  49. I took a big interest in the Fukushima ” accident”, mainly because I heard there was a earthquake of 9 magnitude and being from Alaska , I’m very familiar with what the richter scale jolts feel like. In 64 Alaska had a quake and it registered a 9, and I wasn’t there during that time but the evidence is everywhere – from the old town of Valdez to the different elevations in streets , downtown Anchorage.

    So I looked on line for phone videos etc, from residents of Fukushima and I found 2 of them. One showed the infrastructure looking down to the Sea and the other was taken up near their river that cuts thru part of the town. Neither of them showed a 9 hitting the areas, in fact I saww no bridges , overpasses, roads, etc. near the sea or going over the river – damaged. I saw no buildings toppled and I saw people walking along the river – nothing like a 9 just hit. Later I found a couple engineer reports about the power plant itself and their accounts showed some real discrepancies on the explosions in reactors that were actually down and had their power rods taken out and in storage. The main thing I noticed – who was contracted out to perform maintenance and renovations on the plant prior to the explosions. The last thing I looked for was who had a bitch with the Japanese Gov. – and I found one big one. In fact there was a lot more info after I started looking, Another conspiracy theory – definitely. Tsunamis can be man made and all the super powers and Israel – know it.

    • Replies: @A123
    @GMC

    When water picks up sufficient energy it splits (2x) H2O = 02 + (2x) H2.

    The explosions were oxygen and hydrogen recombining to water. None of the heavy radioactive elements had direct involvement. Damage to the structures let H2 build up *outside* the containment structure but still under a conventional factory roof. The explosions could not spread radiation, because they were non-radioactive.

    The big concern was -- If the non-reactor construction was compromised, it could cause a rod storage pool to collapse. This would have been a huge problem "within the fence line". However, even this worst case posed little risks to civilians miles away "outside the fence line".

    There is a huge amount of good information here on the:

    Current situation:
    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident-updates.html

    Background:
    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident.html

    Hysterically fleeing from a non-existent threat ran up a significant number of casualties. The ungrounded, excessive, anti-scientific fear of radiation was orders of magnitude more lethal than the actual radiation.
    ____

    If you want to further reduce risk in civilian plants, you can 100% eliminate "melt down risk". Select a fluoride or chloride based, molten, beryllium-lithium salt as the working fluid. These designs run as a liquid during normal operation. Any material that escapes will immediately solidify. Fluoride salts are not water soluble, so falling into the Tsunami water is not a radioactivity hazard.

    PEACE 😇

    , @El Dato
    @GMC

    The earthquake did not hit the coast all that much. The tsunami hit the coast. Much difference, equally devastating.

    In fact, there were other industrial plants than just the old Westinghouse boiling water reactors doing their meltdown thing. Chemical plants were burning and probably dumping a lot of evil stuff into the ocean but nobody was interested.

    Tsunamis can be man made and all the super powers and Israel – know it.
     

    No they can't except in Hollywood dross.

    This is one of the best documented meltdowns ever - and as usual earthquakes/tsunamis are well-documented all the time - stop being silly. Get off conspiracy Twitter.

    (GRS-S-56) Fukushima Daiichi 11. März 2011 - Unfallablauf, Radiologische Folgen (5., überarbeitete Auflage)

    , @El Dato
    @GMC

    Also, if there is a "conspiracy" it is Merkel dumping core and immediately misusing the Japan situation as an excuse to shut down nuclear reactors across Germany, none of which are near an Earthquake fault line or are even Westinghouse BWRs. The last one goes down this year AFAIK.

    For some mysterious reason, Germany is still listed as top exporter of electric energy.

    But apparently that happens because when all the windmills across Germany are turning, Germany doesn't know what to do with the electric energy and sells it at practically zero or even negative prices to Norway, who then sells back stored hydropower at top rates when all the windmills across Germany are sitting still.

    Happy handrubbing was heard across the baltics.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @GMC

  50. @Agathoklis
    @Not Raul

    Advances in ancient and modern DNA strongly indicate there was no significant change in DNA. Most of the changes in DNA in ancient populations happened before the Iron Age (before Classical Civilisation). Regardless, there was no collapse of Classical Civilisation but it gradually morphed into something else while retaining many features of the old. For example, in Byzantium they still read Homer (a foundational text for young boys) and Aristotle but they read it differently.

    Replies: @Barbarroja

    The only part of the DNA in which we can see some Italian influence across the Empire is the Y-chromosome, but it becomes substantial only in some areas, like SW-Iberia (where many legion veterans were settled). It’s also my case, my J2b relatives hail mostly from central Italy.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
    @Barbarroja

    I was primarily referring to Greek and Roman populations. However, you are correct that there were some Y chromosome pulses of Roman influence in Iberia and some other areas like in the Balkans where it seems Roman soldiers had settled after their military service and take local wives. As for Italy, there seems to have been an Eastern Mediterranean pulse during the Imperial period but this declined after the fall of the Western Roman Empire as the large cities acted like sinks and the rural native Italian population resettled the cities. As for the Greeks, there was a Slavic pulse in early/mid-Byzantium but only really in mainland Greece whereas Cycladic, Cretan, Dodecanese and even less so, Cypriot Greeks did not experience this. It seems that as Byzantium re-took complete control of the Balkan peninsula, in some cases, resettling Greeks from southern Italy, the Romans (Greek-speakers) took Slavic wives. The later resettlement of Anatolian Greeks further reduced the Slavic element.

    However,it is frustrating there are so few Classical Greek and Byzantine aDNA samples to get a better picture. They unearthed dozens of early Classical skeletons in Faliro and many skeletons in a Byzantine necropolis when recently building the Thessaloniki Metro so we may have some results soon.

  51. @El Dato
    @Dreadilk

    But what about being zeroed by a (highly speculative) Verneshot


    A verneshot (named after French author Jules Verne) is a hypothetical volcanic eruption event caused by the buildup of gas deep underneath a craton [an old and stable part of the continental lithosphere]. Such an event may be forceful enough to launch an extreme amount of material from the crust and mantle into a sub-orbital trajectory, leading to significant further damage after the material crashes back down to the surface.
     

    Replies: @Dreadilk, @Den Lille Abe

    That would make for a cool doomsday device. Skaven in Warhammer have Skaven tide where they build under the civilization and then emerge all at once. Then they also just have a giant bomb too.

    Edit: that reminds me I want to do a skaven play through where I just use underempire to conquer.

  52. @GMC
    I took a big interest in the Fukushima " accident", mainly because I heard there was a earthquake of 9 magnitude and being from Alaska , I'm very familiar with what the richter scale jolts feel like. In 64 Alaska had a quake and it registered a 9, and I wasn't there during that time but the evidence is everywhere - from the old town of Valdez to the different elevations in streets , downtown Anchorage.

    So I looked on line for phone videos etc, from residents of Fukushima and I found 2 of them. One showed the infrastructure looking down to the Sea and the other was taken up near their river that cuts thru part of the town. Neither of them showed a 9 hitting the areas, in fact I saww no bridges , overpasses, roads, etc. near the sea or going over the river - damaged. I saw no buildings toppled and I saw people walking along the river - nothing like a 9 just hit. Later I found a couple engineer reports about the power plant itself and their accounts showed some real discrepancies on the explosions in reactors that were actually down and had their power rods taken out and in storage. The main thing I noticed - who was contracted out to perform maintenance and renovations on the plant prior to the explosions. The last thing I looked for was who had a bitch with the Japanese Gov. - and I found one big one. In fact there was a lot more info after I started looking, Another conspiracy theory - definitely. Tsunamis can be man made and all the super powers and Israel - know it.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato, @El Dato

    When water picks up sufficient energy it splits (2x) H2O = 02 + (2x) H2.

    The explosions were oxygen and hydrogen recombining to water. None of the heavy radioactive elements had direct involvement. Damage to the structures let H2 build up *outside* the containment structure but still under a conventional factory roof. The explosions could not spread radiation, because they were non-radioactive.

    The big concern was — If the non-reactor construction was compromised, it could cause a rod storage pool to collapse. This would have been a huge problem “within the fence line”. However, even this worst case posed little risks to civilians miles away “outside the fence line”.

    There is a huge amount of good information here on the:

    Current situation:
    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident-updates.html

    Background:
    http://www.hiroshimasyndrome.com/fukushima-accident.html

    Hysterically fleeing from a non-existent threat ran up a significant number of casualties. The ungrounded, excessive, anti-scientific fear of radiation was orders of magnitude more lethal than the actual radiation.
    ____

    If you want to further reduce risk in civilian plants, you can 100% eliminate “melt down risk”. Select a fluoride or chloride based, molten, beryllium-lithium salt as the working fluid. These designs run as a liquid during normal operation. Any material that escapes will immediately solidify. Fluoride salts are not water soluble, so falling into the Tsunami water is not a radioactivity hazard.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: El Dato
  53. Thanks for the info A – unfortunately I don’t have any of my details because they were stashed on another computer that went Tango Uniform { Tits Up } but my info was not government related it was from independent engineers familiar with Westinghouse plants. It was very interesting , as some C Ts can be. Even down to the drilling ship that planted the nukes off shore. I have that curious gene and the more that government’s lie – the more fun it is to find other scenarios. Probably a retirement thing too !

  54. I see that, after covering the Russian Government with pails of urine for the last five years, the EU and UK are desperately calling for them to send more of that nasty fossil gas that they want to phase out (in theory) as soon as possible.

    Tony Blair shouldn’t have stopped new nuclear build in 1998, losing a generation of nuclear engineers and handing the industry to France and China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/iea-calls-on-russia-to-send-more-gas-to-europe-before-winter

    The world’s energy watchdog has called on Russia to send more gas to Europe as the energy supply crunch bleeds across the continent, in a rare public rebuke of the Kremlin.

    The International Energy Agency (IEA), which advises global governments on energy policy, called out the gas-rich country for refusing to increase exports even as fierce demand has driven market prices to successive record highs, appearing to support claims that Russia is withholding supplies.

    “The IEA believes that Russia could do more to increase gas availability to Europe and ensure storage is filled to adequate levels in preparation for the coming winter heating season,” the Paris-based agency said.

    “This is also an opportunity for Russia to underscore its credentials as a reliable supplier to the European market,” it said.

    The IEA’s intervention has come amid growing unease in Europe over Russia’s decision not to increase gas exports to Europe next month, despite record gas market prices across the continent.

    It said Russia had been “fulfilling its long-term contracts with European counterparts – but its exports to Europe are down from their 2019 level”.

    EU politicians have accused the Kremlin of deliberately withholding gas supplies while it awaits regulatory approval for a controversial pipeline project, Nord Stream 2, which would double Russia’s capacity to export gas to Germany.

    If Russia’s fulfilling their contracts, what’s the problem? That’s the definition of a reliable supplier.

    • Replies: @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts. (1)


    Russia Suddenly Slows Gas Flow Into Europe

    Russia has steadily decreased the supply of natural gas delivered to Europe over the last few weeks without explanation, according to an industry analysis reviewed by CNBC.

    The decreased natural gas exports occurred shortly after the U.S. and Germany agreed to the completion of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline,
    ...
    “Gazprom is readying itself for starting Nord Stream 2 and it is hoping to exert an element of leverage
    ...
    “If there is less gas around than normal and the price is high then it may streamline that process,”
     
    It is a particularly inept effort at arm twisting. No matter how harsh Putin becomes, Merkel is a "!ame duck". She cannot deliver, and her party is collapsing in the polls.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/24/russia-natural-gas-export-europe-germany-gazprom/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @El Dato, @YetAnotherAnon

  55. @Barbarroja
    @Agathoklis

    The only part of the DNA in which we can see some Italian influence across the Empire is the Y-chromosome, but it becomes substantial only in some areas, like SW-Iberia (where many legion veterans were settled). It's also my case, my J2b relatives hail mostly from central Italy.

    Replies: @Agathoklis

    I was primarily referring to Greek and Roman populations. However, you are correct that there were some Y chromosome pulses of Roman influence in Iberia and some other areas like in the Balkans where it seems Roman soldiers had settled after their military service and take local wives. As for Italy, there seems to have been an Eastern Mediterranean pulse during the Imperial period but this declined after the fall of the Western Roman Empire as the large cities acted like sinks and the rural native Italian population resettled the cities. As for the Greeks, there was a Slavic pulse in early/mid-Byzantium but only really in mainland Greece whereas Cycladic, Cretan, Dodecanese and even less so, Cypriot Greeks did not experience this. It seems that as Byzantium re-took complete control of the Balkan peninsula, in some cases, resettling Greeks from southern Italy, the Romans (Greek-speakers) took Slavic wives. The later resettlement of Anatolian Greeks further reduced the Slavic element.

    However,it is frustrating there are so few Classical Greek and Byzantine aDNA samples to get a better picture. They unearthed dozens of early Classical skeletons in Faliro and many skeletons in a Byzantine necropolis when recently building the Thessaloniki Metro so we may have some results soon.

  56. @YetAnotherAnon
    I see that, after covering the Russian Government with pails of urine for the last five years, the EU and UK are desperately calling for them to send more of that nasty fossil gas that they want to phase out (in theory) as soon as possible.

    Tony Blair shouldn't have stopped new nuclear build in 1998, losing a generation of nuclear engineers and handing the industry to France and China.

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/21/iea-calls-on-russia-to-send-more-gas-to-europe-before-winter

    The world’s energy watchdog has called on Russia to send more gas to Europe as the energy supply crunch bleeds across the continent, in a rare public rebuke of the Kremlin.

    The International Energy Agency (IEA), which advises global governments on energy policy, called out the gas-rich country for refusing to increase exports even as fierce demand has driven market prices to successive record highs, appearing to support claims that Russia is withholding supplies.

    “The IEA believes that Russia could do more to increase gas availability to Europe and ensure storage is filled to adequate levels in preparation for the coming winter heating season,” the Paris-based agency said.

    “This is also an opportunity for Russia to underscore its credentials as a reliable supplier to the European market,” it said.

    The IEA’s intervention has come amid growing unease in Europe over Russia’s decision not to increase gas exports to Europe next month, despite record gas market prices across the continent.

    It said Russia had been “fulfilling its long-term contracts with European counterparts – but its exports to Europe are down from their 2019 level”.

    EU politicians have accused the Kremlin of deliberately withholding gas supplies while it awaits regulatory approval for a controversial pipeline project, Nord Stream 2, which would double Russia’s capacity to export gas to Germany.
     
    If Russia's fulfilling their contracts, what's the problem? That's the definition of a reliable supplier.

    Replies: @A123

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts. (1)

    Russia Suddenly Slows Gas Flow Into Europe

    Russia has steadily decreased the supply of natural gas delivered to Europe over the last few weeks without explanation, according to an industry analysis reviewed by CNBC.

    The decreased natural gas exports occurred shortly after the U.S. and Germany agreed to the completion of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline,

    “Gazprom is readying itself for starting Nord Stream 2 and it is hoping to exert an element of leverage

    “If there is less gas around than normal and the price is high then it may streamline that process,”

    It is a particularly inept effort at arm twisting. No matter how harsh Putin becomes, Merkel is a “!ame duck”. She cannot deliver, and her party is collapsing in the polls.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/24/russia-natural-gas-export-europe-germany-gazprom/

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts.
     
    Could you name at least one natural gas-related contract Russia broke? Did anyone got a right to demand penalty? If not, no contract was broken.

    European commission advised everyone to switch from long-term contracts (which Gazprom preferred) to spot market. Europe is reaping what it sowed. Tough luck.

    Replies: @A123

    , @El Dato
    @A123

    So Putin personally manages gas delivery to jurop from his control lair?

    Right.

    Nobody is even alleging contract violation so where are you coming from?

    Maybe Russia can deliver gas to other markets? Surprise:

    Russian pipeline gas exports to China nearly triple in 2021


    China’s leading supplier of liquefied natural gas (LNG) in January-August was Australia (20.52 million tons for $8.47 billion), followed by Qatar, Malaysia, and United States. Russia ranked sixth in LNG imports, with 2.67 million tons for $1.23 billion.

    According to Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller, gas consumption in China is growing faster than in any other country of the Asia-Pacific region.

    “The Chinese market is the most dynamic and fastest in terms of growth. Every year it simply stuns us with the growth rate of consumption and 2021 is no exception. In the first half of the year, the volume of natural gas consumption in China increased by 15.5%, and the volume of imports by 23.8%. This means that by the end of 2021 the forecast estimates of consumption in China will amount to 360 billion cubic meters and the volume of imports will be 160 billion cubic meters,” Miller said last week.

     

    I'm sure the US can deliver fracking gas by LPG carrier in the meantime.

    Replies: @A123

    , @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123

    As others have pointed out, Russia isn't breaking any contracts. If it were, the usual suspects (over here the BBC and Guardian) would let us know.

    Replies: @El Dato

  57. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts. (1)


    Russia Suddenly Slows Gas Flow Into Europe

    Russia has steadily decreased the supply of natural gas delivered to Europe over the last few weeks without explanation, according to an industry analysis reviewed by CNBC.

    The decreased natural gas exports occurred shortly after the U.S. and Germany agreed to the completion of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline,
    ...
    “Gazprom is readying itself for starting Nord Stream 2 and it is hoping to exert an element of leverage
    ...
    “If there is less gas around than normal and the price is high then it may streamline that process,”
     
    It is a particularly inept effort at arm twisting. No matter how harsh Putin becomes, Merkel is a "!ame duck". She cannot deliver, and her party is collapsing in the polls.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/24/russia-natural-gas-export-europe-germany-gazprom/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @El Dato, @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts.

    Could you name at least one natural gas-related contract Russia broke? Did anyone got a right to demand penalty? If not, no contract was broken.

    European commission advised everyone to switch from long-term contracts (which Gazprom preferred) to spot market. Europe is reaping what it sowed. Tough luck.

    • Agree: Vishnugupta, El Dato, mal
    • Replies: @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    You are mixing up multiple issues. Let me restate more clearly.

    Russian Gas delivery to Germany via the existing pipeline through Poland is unreliable. As a matter of objective fact, shipments are below normal & expected. Why?

    Some options:

    -1- A technical/production issue has occurred -- Things break. OK, it is plausable. However, there has been no coverage of a major outage or catastrophe. A simple systems failure should have been disclosed by now.

    -2- Russian production is maxed out -- Diverting supply to the highest paying or contractually locked in customers would make sense. However, that would make NordStream 2 a useless investment as there is no additional gas to supply.

    -3- Russian production is not maxed out -- Russia is deliberately losing money by not selling available product to customers with cash in hand. Anyone who thinks Gazprom would take such a provocative action without Kremlin approval needs to have their head examined. This scenario leads back to Putin, or one of his people.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” - Sherlock Homes” ― Arthur Conan Doyle

    If #1 and #2 are impossible, then #3 must be the explanation for the mysterious supply reductions. Is Russia:
    -- Unreliable because they have nothing to sell?
    -- Unreliable because they are refusing to sell what they have?

    Either way, it is hard to see how under utilizing the existing pipelines will accelerate NS2 approval. Just the opposite. It shows that existing pipelines have excess capacity and can easily handle 100% of Russia's desired sales to Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @AnonfromTN

  58. @GMC
    I took a big interest in the Fukushima " accident", mainly because I heard there was a earthquake of 9 magnitude and being from Alaska , I'm very familiar with what the richter scale jolts feel like. In 64 Alaska had a quake and it registered a 9, and I wasn't there during that time but the evidence is everywhere - from the old town of Valdez to the different elevations in streets , downtown Anchorage.

    So I looked on line for phone videos etc, from residents of Fukushima and I found 2 of them. One showed the infrastructure looking down to the Sea and the other was taken up near their river that cuts thru part of the town. Neither of them showed a 9 hitting the areas, in fact I saww no bridges , overpasses, roads, etc. near the sea or going over the river - damaged. I saw no buildings toppled and I saw people walking along the river - nothing like a 9 just hit. Later I found a couple engineer reports about the power plant itself and their accounts showed some real discrepancies on the explosions in reactors that were actually down and had their power rods taken out and in storage. The main thing I noticed - who was contracted out to perform maintenance and renovations on the plant prior to the explosions. The last thing I looked for was who had a bitch with the Japanese Gov. - and I found one big one. In fact there was a lot more info after I started looking, Another conspiracy theory - definitely. Tsunamis can be man made and all the super powers and Israel - know it.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato, @El Dato

    The earthquake did not hit the coast all that much. The tsunami hit the coast. Much difference, equally devastating.

    In fact, there were other industrial plants than just the old Westinghouse boiling water reactors doing their meltdown thing. Chemical plants were burning and probably dumping a lot of evil stuff into the ocean but nobody was interested.

    Tsunamis can be man made and all the super powers and Israel – know it.

    No they can’t except in Hollywood dross.

    This is one of the best documented meltdowns ever – and as usual earthquakes/tsunamis are well-documented all the time – stop being silly. Get off conspiracy Twitter.

    (GRS-S-56) Fukushima Daiichi 11. März 2011 – Unfallablauf, Radiologische Folgen (5., überarbeitete Auflage)

  59. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts. (1)


    Russia Suddenly Slows Gas Flow Into Europe

    Russia has steadily decreased the supply of natural gas delivered to Europe over the last few weeks without explanation, according to an industry analysis reviewed by CNBC.

    The decreased natural gas exports occurred shortly after the U.S. and Germany agreed to the completion of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline,
    ...
    “Gazprom is readying itself for starting Nord Stream 2 and it is hoping to exert an element of leverage
    ...
    “If there is less gas around than normal and the price is high then it may streamline that process,”
     
    It is a particularly inept effort at arm twisting. No matter how harsh Putin becomes, Merkel is a "!ame duck". She cannot deliver, and her party is collapsing in the polls.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/24/russia-natural-gas-export-europe-germany-gazprom/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @El Dato, @YetAnotherAnon

    So Putin personally manages gas delivery to jurop from his control lair?

    Right.

    Nobody is even alleging contract violation so where are you coming from?

    Maybe Russia can deliver gas to other markets? Surprise:

    Russian pipeline gas exports to China nearly triple in 2021

    China’s leading supplier of liquefied natural gas (LNG) in January-August was Australia (20.52 million tons for \$8.47 billion), followed by Qatar, Malaysia, and United States. Russia ranked sixth in LNG imports, with 2.67 million tons for \$1.23 billion.

    According to Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller, gas consumption in China is growing faster than in any other country of the Asia-Pacific region.

    “The Chinese market is the most dynamic and fastest in terms of growth. Every year it simply stuns us with the growth rate of consumption and 2021 is no exception. In the first half of the year, the volume of natural gas consumption in China increased by 15.5%, and the volume of imports by 23.8%. This means that by the end of 2021 the forecast estimates of consumption in China will amount to 360 billion cubic meters and the volume of imports will be 160 billion cubic meters,” Miller said last week.

    I’m sure the US can deliver fracking gas by LPG carrier in the meantime.

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    @El Dato


    Maybe Russia can deliver gas to other markets? Surprise:
     
    Your assertion comes with an implication... Russia already has enough pipeline capacity to carry 100% of product it is willing to sell to Europe. If it cannot fill the existing pipes, how will adding another tube increase supply?

    If your analysis is correct, the next steps are obvious. NordStream 2 is not needed because Russia prefers to sell to Asia. As there is no gas to put into NS2, it can be immediately cancelled as there is nothing to transport.

    PEACE 😇

  60. @GMC
    I took a big interest in the Fukushima " accident", mainly because I heard there was a earthquake of 9 magnitude and being from Alaska , I'm very familiar with what the richter scale jolts feel like. In 64 Alaska had a quake and it registered a 9, and I wasn't there during that time but the evidence is everywhere - from the old town of Valdez to the different elevations in streets , downtown Anchorage.

    So I looked on line for phone videos etc, from residents of Fukushima and I found 2 of them. One showed the infrastructure looking down to the Sea and the other was taken up near their river that cuts thru part of the town. Neither of them showed a 9 hitting the areas, in fact I saww no bridges , overpasses, roads, etc. near the sea or going over the river - damaged. I saw no buildings toppled and I saw people walking along the river - nothing like a 9 just hit. Later I found a couple engineer reports about the power plant itself and their accounts showed some real discrepancies on the explosions in reactors that were actually down and had their power rods taken out and in storage. The main thing I noticed - who was contracted out to perform maintenance and renovations on the plant prior to the explosions. The last thing I looked for was who had a bitch with the Japanese Gov. - and I found one big one. In fact there was a lot more info after I started looking, Another conspiracy theory - definitely. Tsunamis can be man made and all the super powers and Israel - know it.

    Replies: @A123, @El Dato, @El Dato

    Also, if there is a “conspiracy” it is Merkel dumping core and immediately misusing the Japan situation as an excuse to shut down nuclear reactors across Germany, none of which are near an Earthquake fault line or are even Westinghouse BWRs. The last one goes down this year AFAIK.

    For some mysterious reason, Germany is still listed as top exporter of electric energy.

    But apparently that happens because when all the windmills across Germany are turning, Germany doesn’t know what to do with the electric energy and sells it at practically zero or even negative prices to Norway, who then sells back stored hydropower at top rates when all the windmills across Germany are sitting still.

    Happy handrubbing was heard across the baltics.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    @El Dato

    Uranium prices at 6 year high. China is building nukes big time, while the West is shutting them down.

    https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20210909566/why-spot-uranium-prices-have-climbed-to-a-6-year-high


    China stepped up its efforts, with the nation accounting for over 60% of the new plants commissioned over the past decade, he says.

    The World Nuclear Association said the world's roughly 440 nuclear reactors require some 79,500 metric tons of uranium oxide concentrate each year and in a 2019 report, it forecast a 26% increase in uranium demand from 2020 to 2030.

    Hinze says there are "clear signs that China's government and leading nuclear companies are committing to large scale nuclear expansion following the release of the country's 14 Five Year Plan," and UxC expects China to surpass U.S. nuclear capacity before the year 2030.
     
    , @GMC
    @El Dato

    If you don't think that this C T scenario is possible - you have been programmed - for a very long time. Or you are as sly as a fox. But I run into people that have no idea how far things have come, since those 'Nobel Prize mini nukes" disposed of 80% of all the steel, concrete and the rest of the matter from 2 - 100 story high rises, in a matter of minutes. Maybe Japan got caught dealing, a little too much with - Iran ? lol
    . Israel is the top dog in nuclear research and they have had all the money, raw materials, and experteeeeze to blackmail half the world's infrastructure. Not only do they have the nukes covered they have much of the high tech mechanics to go along with their nuclear capability. They also are super sub contractors on nuclear plants , all over the world. Taking out a stupidly placed nuclear power plant was a piece of cake for a team that deals in this type of operation.

    Merkel ? she , like the rest of the worlds leaders - do what they are told . But who is behind that curtain, pullin the shots and making sure that the world's leaders - get the drift ? Not GMC or el Dato Sabe' ?

  61. @A123
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts. (1)


    Russia Suddenly Slows Gas Flow Into Europe

    Russia has steadily decreased the supply of natural gas delivered to Europe over the last few weeks without explanation, according to an industry analysis reviewed by CNBC.

    The decreased natural gas exports occurred shortly after the U.S. and Germany agreed to the completion of the controversial Nord Stream 2 pipeline,
    ...
    “Gazprom is readying itself for starting Nord Stream 2 and it is hoping to exert an element of leverage
    ...
    “If there is less gas around than normal and the price is high then it may streamline that process,”
     
    It is a particularly inept effort at arm twisting. No matter how harsh Putin becomes, Merkel is a "!ame duck". She cannot deliver, and her party is collapsing in the polls.

    PEACE 😇
    __________

    (1) https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/24/russia-natural-gas-export-europe-germany-gazprom/

    Replies: @AnonfromTN, @El Dato, @YetAnotherAnon

    As others have pointed out, Russia isn’t breaking any contracts. If it were, the usual suspects (over here the BBC and Guardian) would let us know.

    • Agree: El Dato
    • Replies: @El Dato
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Paying more for household bills? Blame Russia's meddling in gas markets, Western commentators say, even if the facts don't hold up


    Do us a favor?

    But what about Russia? That brings us back to the IEA’s carefully balanced position: not blaming Russia but asking it to do more to help. That may or may not be realistic. A recent paper from the authoritative Oxford Institute for Energy Studies explains (PDF: Big Bounce: Russian gas amid market tightness - Key Takeaways for 2021 and Beyond) the real geographic, transport, and business (yes, Gazprom, too, has to balance the books) constraints on Russia’s ability to do so. Yet even if it can, there remains an obvious if inconvenient question: in a political climate dominated by accusations, sanctions, and confrontation – why should it?

    In essence, those who demand that Moscow help are saying that it should do more than it is contractually obliged to do. Perhaps even at a disadvantage to itself or its other customers in Asia. Remember, Russia is also actually fulfilling those contractual obligations already.

    In other words, they demand special forbearance or goodwill. Yet they do so without offering reciprocity: goodwill or forbearance have not been forthcoming from the EU toward Russia. And if you think Russia doesn’t merit such treatment, fine. But then don’t complain if Russia also thinks you don’t deserve special accommodation.
     
  62. @El Dato
    @GMC

    Also, if there is a "conspiracy" it is Merkel dumping core and immediately misusing the Japan situation as an excuse to shut down nuclear reactors across Germany, none of which are near an Earthquake fault line or are even Westinghouse BWRs. The last one goes down this year AFAIK.

    For some mysterious reason, Germany is still listed as top exporter of electric energy.

    But apparently that happens because when all the windmills across Germany are turning, Germany doesn't know what to do with the electric energy and sells it at practically zero or even negative prices to Norway, who then sells back stored hydropower at top rates when all the windmills across Germany are sitting still.

    Happy handrubbing was heard across the baltics.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @GMC

    Uranium prices at 6 year high. China is building nukes big time, while the West is shutting them down.

    https://www.morningstar.com/news/marketwatch/20210909566/why-spot-uranium-prices-have-climbed-to-a-6-year-high

    China stepped up its efforts, with the nation accounting for over 60% of the new plants commissioned over the past decade, he says.

    The World Nuclear Association said the world’s roughly 440 nuclear reactors require some 79,500 metric tons of uranium oxide concentrate each year and in a 2019 report, it forecast a 26% increase in uranium demand from 2020 to 2030.

    Hinze says there are “clear signs that China’s government and leading nuclear companies are committing to large scale nuclear expansion following the release of the country’s 14 Five Year Plan,” and UxC expects China to surpass U.S. nuclear capacity before the year 2030.

  63. @YetAnotherAnon
    @A123

    As others have pointed out, Russia isn't breaking any contracts. If it were, the usual suspects (over here the BBC and Guardian) would let us know.

    Replies: @El Dato

    Paying more for household bills? Blame Russia’s meddling in gas markets, Western commentators say, even if the facts don’t hold up

    Do us a favor?

    But what about Russia? That brings us back to the IEA’s carefully balanced position: not blaming Russia but asking it to do more to help. That may or may not be realistic. A recent paper from the authoritative Oxford Institute for Energy Studies explains (PDF: Big Bounce: Russian gas amid market tightness – Key Takeaways for 2021 and Beyond) the real geographic, transport, and business (yes, Gazprom, too, has to balance the books) constraints on Russia’s ability to do so. Yet even if it can, there remains an obvious if inconvenient question: in a political climate dominated by accusations, sanctions, and confrontation – why should it?

    In essence, those who demand that Moscow help are saying that it should do more than it is contractually obliged to do. Perhaps even at a disadvantage to itself or its other customers in Asia. Remember, Russia is also actually fulfilling those contractual obligations already.

    In other words, they demand special forbearance or goodwill. Yet they do so without offering reciprocity: goodwill or forbearance have not been forthcoming from the EU toward Russia. And if you think Russia doesn’t merit such treatment, fine. But then don’t complain if Russia also thinks you don’t deserve special accommodation.

  64. @YetAnotherAnon
    Amazing daylight drone footage of Palma, some nice homes and pools being destroyed. Vent seems to have opened further down the hill, towards the more populated areas.

    https://twitter.com/ACFIPRESS/status/1440054791053275144

    Replies: @El Dato

    The moment when you could use lobster for some boiling but you don’t have any.

    Also, protect lava from COVID, we are all in this together:

  65. @El Dato
    @GMC

    Also, if there is a "conspiracy" it is Merkel dumping core and immediately misusing the Japan situation as an excuse to shut down nuclear reactors across Germany, none of which are near an Earthquake fault line or are even Westinghouse BWRs. The last one goes down this year AFAIK.

    For some mysterious reason, Germany is still listed as top exporter of electric energy.

    But apparently that happens because when all the windmills across Germany are turning, Germany doesn't know what to do with the electric energy and sells it at practically zero or even negative prices to Norway, who then sells back stored hydropower at top rates when all the windmills across Germany are sitting still.

    Happy handrubbing was heard across the baltics.

    Replies: @YetAnotherAnon, @GMC

    If you don’t think that this C T scenario is possible – you have been programmed – for a very long time. Or you are as sly as a fox. But I run into people that have no idea how far things have come, since those ‘Nobel Prize mini nukes” disposed of 80% of all the steel, concrete and the rest of the matter from 2 – 100 story high rises, in a matter of minutes. Maybe Japan got caught dealing, a little too much with – Iran ? lol
    . Israel is the top dog in nuclear research and they have had all the money, raw materials, and experteeeeze to blackmail half the world’s infrastructure. Not only do they have the nukes covered they have much of the high tech mechanics to go along with their nuclear capability. They also are super sub contractors on nuclear plants , all over the world. Taking out a stupidly placed nuclear power plant was a piece of cake for a team that deals in this type of operation.

    Merkel ? she , like the rest of the worlds leaders – do what they are told . But who is behind that curtain, pullin the shots and making sure that the world’s leaders – get the drift ? Not GMC or el Dato Sabe’ ?

  66. @AnonfromTN
    @A123


    Russia is not fulfilling its delivery contracts.
     
    Could you name at least one natural gas-related contract Russia broke? Did anyone got a right to demand penalty? If not, no contract was broken.

    European commission advised everyone to switch from long-term contracts (which Gazprom preferred) to spot market. Europe is reaping what it sowed. Tough luck.

    Replies: @A123

    You are mixing up multiple issues. Let me restate more clearly.

    Russian Gas delivery to Germany via the existing pipeline through Poland is unreliable. As a matter of objective fact, shipments are below normal & expected. Why?

    Some options:

    -1- A technical/production issue has occurred — Things break. OK, it is plausable. However, there has been no coverage of a major outage or catastrophe. A simple systems failure should have been disclosed by now.

    -2- Russian production is maxed out — Diverting supply to the highest paying or contractually locked in customers would make sense. However, that would make NordStream 2 a useless investment as there is no additional gas to supply.

    -3- Russian production is not maxed out — Russia is deliberately losing money by not selling available product to customers with cash in hand. Anyone who thinks Gazprom would take such a provocative action without Kremlin approval needs to have their head examined. This scenario leads back to Putin, or one of his people.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” – Sherlock Homes” ― Arthur Conan Doyle

    If #1 and #2 are impossible, then #3 must be the explanation for the mysterious supply reductions. Is Russia:
    — Unreliable because they have nothing to sell?
    — Unreliable because they are refusing to sell what they have?

    Either way, it is hard to see how under utilizing the existing pipelines will accelerate NS2 approval. Just the opposite. It shows that existing pipelines have excess capacity and can easily handle 100% of Russia’s desired sales to Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    @A123

    What I see is USrael, (((Ukraine))) and the waterpolacks conspiring to
    bleed the Germans and blame it on the Russians; we´ll see how far they
    think they can drive it before it backfires.

    (The sweetest backlash so far is the collapse of CO2 (!) production in
    the UK because of high gas prices :D )

    , @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Gazprom increased natural gas export to Europe in 2021, as compared to 2020:
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/finance/gazprom-sees-moderate-gas-export-rise-in-europe-in-2021/31382

    It is only natural that this increase was modest: only a total idiot floods the market with its product to depress prices. If you run a business, you can try this approach yourself, and then promptly file for bankruptcy.

    It is equally natural that Gazprom tries to minimize fleecing by transit parasites, Ukraine and Poland. NS-1 works at capacity, because transporting gas via this route is a lot cheaper than through parasites who, like mafia, always want to get their cut.

    Replies: @Jazman

  67. @El Dato
    @A123

    So Putin personally manages gas delivery to jurop from his control lair?

    Right.

    Nobody is even alleging contract violation so where are you coming from?

    Maybe Russia can deliver gas to other markets? Surprise:

    Russian pipeline gas exports to China nearly triple in 2021


    China’s leading supplier of liquefied natural gas (LNG) in January-August was Australia (20.52 million tons for $8.47 billion), followed by Qatar, Malaysia, and United States. Russia ranked sixth in LNG imports, with 2.67 million tons for $1.23 billion.

    According to Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller, gas consumption in China is growing faster than in any other country of the Asia-Pacific region.

    “The Chinese market is the most dynamic and fastest in terms of growth. Every year it simply stuns us with the growth rate of consumption and 2021 is no exception. In the first half of the year, the volume of natural gas consumption in China increased by 15.5%, and the volume of imports by 23.8%. This means that by the end of 2021 the forecast estimates of consumption in China will amount to 360 billion cubic meters and the volume of imports will be 160 billion cubic meters,” Miller said last week.

     

    I'm sure the US can deliver fracking gas by LPG carrier in the meantime.

    Replies: @A123

    Maybe Russia can deliver gas to other markets? Surprise:

    Your assertion comes with an implication… Russia already has enough pipeline capacity to carry 100% of product it is willing to sell to Europe. If it cannot fill the existing pipes, how will adding another tube increase supply?

    If your analysis is correct, the next steps are obvious. NordStream 2 is not needed because Russia prefers to sell to Asia. As there is no gas to put into NS2, it can be immediately cancelled as there is nothing to transport.

    PEACE 😇

  68. @songbird
    @Yellowface Anon

    I guess if you needed to pay a huge chunk of change for a ticket, it would mainly be the high finance people who survive, maybe some big real estate developers, and a few dictators. But very little to no scientists.

    Wouldn't necessarily give them high odds. Might make an interesting scifi story, if they survive in their New Zealand bunkers and are trying to look for other survivors to till the land and so they can exploit them.

    Replies: @SaneClownPosse

    Who would take out their trash, unclog their toilets, get the generator back up running, clean the solar panels, etc.?

    Think of a corporate manufacturing facility with only the C level management showing up to work.

  69. Megatsunami

    Mixing Greek and Latin is bad enough, but Greek and Japanese? えーーー?!

    Ōtsunami [大津波, おおつなみ] is better. Especially with the macron over the O:

  70. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    You are mixing up multiple issues. Let me restate more clearly.

    Russian Gas delivery to Germany via the existing pipeline through Poland is unreliable. As a matter of objective fact, shipments are below normal & expected. Why?

    Some options:

    -1- A technical/production issue has occurred -- Things break. OK, it is plausable. However, there has been no coverage of a major outage or catastrophe. A simple systems failure should have been disclosed by now.

    -2- Russian production is maxed out -- Diverting supply to the highest paying or contractually locked in customers would make sense. However, that would make NordStream 2 a useless investment as there is no additional gas to supply.

    -3- Russian production is not maxed out -- Russia is deliberately losing money by not selling available product to customers with cash in hand. Anyone who thinks Gazprom would take such a provocative action without Kremlin approval needs to have their head examined. This scenario leads back to Putin, or one of his people.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” - Sherlock Homes” ― Arthur Conan Doyle

    If #1 and #2 are impossible, then #3 must be the explanation for the mysterious supply reductions. Is Russia:
    -- Unreliable because they have nothing to sell?
    -- Unreliable because they are refusing to sell what they have?

    Either way, it is hard to see how under utilizing the existing pipelines will accelerate NS2 approval. Just the opposite. It shows that existing pipelines have excess capacity and can easily handle 100% of Russia's desired sales to Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @AnonfromTN

    What I see is USrael, (((Ukraine))) and the waterpolacks conspiring to
    bleed the Germans and blame it on the Russians; we´ll see how far they
    think they can drive it before it backfires.

    (The sweetest backlash so far is the collapse of CO2 (!) production in
    the UK because of high gas prices 😀 )

  71. @A123
    @AnonfromTN

    You are mixing up multiple issues. Let me restate more clearly.

    Russian Gas delivery to Germany via the existing pipeline through Poland is unreliable. As a matter of objective fact, shipments are below normal & expected. Why?

    Some options:

    -1- A technical/production issue has occurred -- Things break. OK, it is plausable. However, there has been no coverage of a major outage or catastrophe. A simple systems failure should have been disclosed by now.

    -2- Russian production is maxed out -- Diverting supply to the highest paying or contractually locked in customers would make sense. However, that would make NordStream 2 a useless investment as there is no additional gas to supply.

    -3- Russian production is not maxed out -- Russia is deliberately losing money by not selling available product to customers with cash in hand. Anyone who thinks Gazprom would take such a provocative action without Kremlin approval needs to have their head examined. This scenario leads back to Putin, or one of his people.

    “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” - Sherlock Homes” ― Arthur Conan Doyle

    If #1 and #2 are impossible, then #3 must be the explanation for the mysterious supply reductions. Is Russia:
    -- Unreliable because they have nothing to sell?
    -- Unreliable because they are refusing to sell what they have?

    Either way, it is hard to see how under utilizing the existing pipelines will accelerate NS2 approval. Just the opposite. It shows that existing pipelines have excess capacity and can easily handle 100% of Russia's desired sales to Europe.

    PEACE 😇

    Replies: @nokangaroos, @AnonfromTN

    Gazprom increased natural gas export to Europe in 2021, as compared to 2020:
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/finance/gazprom-sees-moderate-gas-export-rise-in-europe-in-2021/31382

    It is only natural that this increase was modest: only a total idiot floods the market with its product to depress prices. If you run a business, you can try this approach yourself, and then promptly file for bankruptcy.

    It is equally natural that Gazprom tries to minimize fleecing by transit parasites, Ukraine and Poland. NS-1 works at capacity, because transporting gas via this route is a lot cheaper than through parasites who, like mafia, always want to get their cut.

    • Replies: @Jazman
    @AnonfromTN

    https://www.docdroid.net/kZZXcGS/covid-19-the-spartacus-letter-pdf#page=7
    interesting letter and many things you mention earlier about so called vaccines

  72. @AnonfromTN
    @A123

    Gazprom increased natural gas export to Europe in 2021, as compared to 2020:
    https://www.aa.com.tr/en/energy/finance/gazprom-sees-moderate-gas-export-rise-in-europe-in-2021/31382

    It is only natural that this increase was modest: only a total idiot floods the market with its product to depress prices. If you run a business, you can try this approach yourself, and then promptly file for bankruptcy.

    It is equally natural that Gazprom tries to minimize fleecing by transit parasites, Ukraine and Poland. NS-1 works at capacity, because transporting gas via this route is a lot cheaper than through parasites who, like mafia, always want to get their cut.

    Replies: @Jazman

    https://www.docdroid.net/kZZXcGS/covid-19-the-spartacus-letter-pdf#page=7
    interesting letter and many things you mention earlier about so called vaccines

  73. @El Dato
    @Dreadilk

    But what about being zeroed by a (highly speculative) Verneshot


    A verneshot (named after French author Jules Verne) is a hypothetical volcanic eruption event caused by the buildup of gas deep underneath a craton [an old and stable part of the continental lithosphere]. Such an event may be forceful enough to launch an extreme amount of material from the crust and mantle into a sub-orbital trajectory, leading to significant further damage after the material crashes back down to the surface.
     

    Replies: @Dreadilk, @Den Lille Abe

    Krakatoa exploded in 1882 (I think) The dust reached Scandinavia, and temperatures dropped 1-3 degrees for 3 years. That was a big bang!

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