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Richard LynnRACE DIFFERENCES IN PSYCHOPATHIC PERSONALITY (2019)
Rating: 5/5

TLDR: Global survey of racial differences in psychopathic personality confirms the standard Rushtonian pattern of Negroids < Caucasoids < Mongoloids on the r/K life history scale.

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Richard Lynn, the doyen of research on national differences in intelligence, once published a book called The Global Bell Curve, in which he extended Murray and Herrnstein’s classic analysis in The Bell Curve beyond the United States to demonstrate that the Negroid < Caucasoid < Mongoloid hierarchy in intelligence was a global, not just an American, pattern. However, in the course of that work, Lynn noted that while average IQ explained much of the difference in socioeconomic outcomes between racial groups in the US – crime, poverty, welfare, single motherhood – there was still a large differential even after adjusting for demographics and IQ. For example, an American Black of the same age and IQ as a White would be much more likely to commit a crime. Could this differential be explained by an additional factor of psychopathic personality?

This is the topic of Lynn’s new book, Race Differences in Psychopathic Personality, which was published last year.

Psychopathy is treated as a continuously distributed personality trait that can be clinically assessed, and proxied by a wide variety of measures, such as epidemiological studies of psychopathy; self-assessment on tests like the Psychopathic Deviate subscale of the MMPI; r/K life history proxies, such as sexual precocity, promiscuity, and prevalence of STDs and teenage childbearing; Minkov’s K factor (the importance that parents attach to thrift, obedience, and responsibility in their children, as measured by opinion polls); and other covariates of psychopathic personality, such as crime rates (esp. homicide rates), corruption, conduct disorder in children, cheating in sport, pathological gambling, inability to delay gratification, drug abuse, child neglect, low anxiety, and lack of altruism (as assessed by rates of organ donation and charitable giving). Unsurprisingly, men are considerably more psychopathic than women (~0.5 S.D.).

Over the next twelve chapters, Lynn carries out an exhaustive survey of racial differences in psychopathic personality around the world. The regions/groups covered include: The US; Canada; Europe; Sub-Saharan Africa; South Asia; The Caribbean; Australia; New Zealand; Pacific Islanders; the Inuit; Latin America. There is also one chapter that analyzes international differences. On this basis, a hierarchy of racial differences that matches J. Philippe Rushton’s classic r/K schema is revealed: Northeast Asians < Europeans < Hispanics & South Asians < Native Americans < Maori < Sub-Saharan Africans < Aborigines. Accounting for psychopathic personality in addition to intelligence provides a much closer explanation of racial differences in crime rates than IQ just by itself.

Lynn makes the point that psychopathic personality is significantly heritable (~0.5 according to various studies), as is propensity towards crime and psychopathic personality sub-characteristics such as impulsivity, age at first intercourse, drug use, and hyperactivity conduct disorder. He also mentions the MAOA gene (popularized by Nicholas Wade in Our Troublesome Inheritance); people with the 2-repeat allele have 13x the likelihood of having stabbed or shot someone in the past year. In interracial comparisons between men, it was present in 0.00067% of Mongoloids, 0.1% of Caucasoids, and 5.5% of Negroids.

The global nature of this racial hierarchy in psychopathic personality, its significant heritability, and emerging findings of racial differences in the incidence of alleles that correlate to psychopathic personality all suggest a major genetic component to racial differences in psychopathic personality.

In the last chapter, Richard Lynn extends Cold Winters Theory to explain the racial hierarchy in in psychopathic personality. First, colder climes necessitated stronger male-female pair bonding, to ensure that children remained cared for. Second, they encouraged selection for gratification delayal, due to the necessity of storing food over the cold winter months (whereas in the tropics, plant and insect food sources are available year round, which diminishes the utility of long-term planning). Third, they selected for the ability to maintain cooperative social relations due to the greater emphasis on big game hunting. Fourth, they selected for a reduction of sexual promiscuity, since hunters who are gone for days at a time need some reassurance that the guys who stayed behind aren’t banging their partners back at the base camp. These selective forces acted to different extents on the various races of Man, with Negroids in the tropics less affected than Caucasoids in the temperate regions, who were in turn less affected than Mongoloids in the taiga.

This is not a “popular” book, so on purely that account, I cannot recommend it for the casual reader. However, it is a worthy addition to the library of any evolutionary psychologist, criminologist, HBD enthusiast, and people working in adjacent fields.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

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  2. Are you sure you got the hierarchy right? Maori are more psychopathic than Native Americans according to the table that’s floating around:

    AK: Correct, thanks.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    Are British South Asians actually a good representative of South Asians in general, though?
  3. Are there per-country percentages for MAOA, rather than just continental races? I mean, would the Dutch and Sicilians have different average percentages?

  4. Beyond race being a social construct, CWT is one of the worst explanations offered for any observed differences.

    It just does not stand up to empirical evidence whether ethnographic or otherwise.
    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2020/1/12/ethnographic-evidence-conflicts-with-the-cold-winters-hypothesis

    • Replies: @res

    Beyond race being a social construct
     
    So you believe race is completely a social construct with zero biological basis?

    CWT is one of the worst explanations offered for any observed differences.

    It just does not stand up to empirical evidence whether ethnographic or otherwise.
    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2020/1/12/ethnographic-evidence-conflicts-with-the-cold-winters-hypothesis
     
    I see lots of verbiage like: "Somehow folks like Rushton and Lynn and Kanazawa have convinced themselves that people living in one of the most difficult to navigate and inhospitable parts of the planet have actually got it pretty easy. "

    But very little actually refuting Lynn's argument or the correlations observed.

    Perhaps you could point to (quote here) the sections you find particularly persuasive?
  5. But does Lynn actually break down and hypothesize a formula that approximates how much of psychopathy relates to inheritable features and how much to environemental? The guy left back at the base camp may have had a greater propensity for psychopathic or at least promiscuous behavior than the one that was away navigating the environment hunting for large protein treasures, thus tilting the gene pool towards his own suspect variety?

  6. I have no doubts that if jews were measured they would be right on top by a big margin. All their foundation myths tell of some form of psychopathic behaviour, it’s their defining characteristic.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    If you haven't already, you might want to read Max West's recent review of a new film titled "Uncut Gems" where Jewish neuroticism and other forms of mental illness is examined in some detail. I'm not sure that I'd go and see the film, certainly not at full price. I'll wait for the follow-up editions putout by either Woody Allen or the Coen Brothers. :-)

    https://www.unz.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/sandleruncut-600x400.jpg

    https://www.unz.com/article/uncut-gems-2019-and-jewish-neuroticism/?highlight=Uncut+Gems

  7. Over the next twelve chapters, Lynn carries out an exhaustive survey of racial differences in psychopathic personality around the world. The regions/groups covered include: The US; Canada; Europe; Sub-Saharan Africa; South Asia; The Caribbean; Australia; New Zealand; Pacific Islanders; the Inuit; Latin America. There is also one chapter that analyzes international differences. On this basis, a hierarchy of racial differences that matches J. Philippe Rushton’s classic r/K schema is revealed: Northeast Asians < Europeans < Hispanics & South Asians < Native Americans < Maori < Sub-Saharan Africans < Aborigines. Accounting for psychopathic personality in addition to intelligence provides a much closer explanation of racial differences in crime rates than IQ just by itself.

    What about Middle Easterners and North Africans? It would be interesting to compare their scores with those of Europeans.

    I also wonder if there are differences among different groups of Europeans in regards to this.

    In the last chapter, Richard Lynn extends Cold Winters Theory to explain the racial hierarchy in in psychopathic personality. First, colder climes necessitated stronger male-female pair bonding, to ensure that children remained cared for. Second, they encouraged selection for gratification delayal, due to the necessity of storing food over the cold winter months (whereas in the tropics, plant and insect food sources are available year round, which diminishes the utility of long-term planning). Third, they selected for the ability to maintain cooperative social relations due to the greater emphasis on big game hunting. Fourth, they selected for a reduction of sexual promiscuity, since hunters who are gone for days at a time need some reassurance that the guys who stayed behind aren’t banging their partners back at the base camp. These selective forces acted to different extents on the various races of Man, with Negroids in the tropics less affected than Caucasoids in the temperate regions, who were in turn less affected than Mongoloids in the taiga.

    Are southern Chinese and Vietnamese different from northern Chinese in regards to these traits? After all, I seem to recall that James Flynn previously used the example of southern Chinese to argue against the Cold Winters Theory.

    • Replies: @Nodwink
    The lowly position of Arabs (some of whom could just about pass for white), and curve-ball North Africans (white Berbers) disturbs the cosy schema of Karlin and other amateur geneticists.

    --------------------------------

    FWIW, I think white folk are clearly the most psychopathic, a situation which is even worse if you count Ashkenazim as white.
    , @Aj7575
    I remember reading on Unz that southern Chinese are northern Chinese that displaced and sinicized the original inhabitants of South China.
  8. @Some Guy
    Are you sure you got the hierarchy right? Maori are more psychopathic than Native Americans according to the table that's floating around: https://blog.intelligence-humaine.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/races-psychopathic.png

    AK: Correct, thanks.

    Are British South Asians actually a good representative of South Asians in general, though?

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
    "Are British South Asians actually a good representative of South Asians in general, though?"

    I'd imagine a split between Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian would be helpful. Pakistanis seem to have much higher crime rates.
  9. @neutral
    I have no doubts that if jews were measured they would be right on top by a big margin. All their foundation myths tell of some form of psychopathic behaviour, it's their defining characteristic.

    If you haven’t already, you might want to read Max West’s recent review of a new film titled “Uncut Gems” where Jewish neuroticism and other forms of mental illness is examined in some detail. I’m not sure that I’d go and see the film, certainly not at full price. I’ll wait for the follow-up editions putout by either Woody Allen or the Coen Brothers. 🙂

    https://www.unz.com/article/uncut-gems-2019-and-jewish-neuroticism/?highlight=Uncut+Gems

  10. with Negroids in the tropics less affected than Caucasoids in the temperate regions, who were in turn less affected than Mongoloids in the taiga.

    Where do Amerinds fall on the cold-selection spectrum? I thought they also came out of the taiga.

  11. Temperate climate doesn’t just mean you need to work harder during the summer. You also have to build a granary to protect your harvest from vermin. Then you have to build walls around your granary to protect it from other tribes. Then you need to maintain a warrior class to protect the walls, and you need a king to rule over the warriors. Then you need a religious tradition that provides a moral code to keep the king from becoming a tyrant.

    By the end of this process, you have created a city state.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    Why do Greeks and Sicilians have slower IQ than Bavarians, would not being located bear trading lanes boost your IQ?
  12. OT: Steve Bannon interview for PBS (March 17, 2019) 2h 26 min

  13. I wonder what it would look like if you tested Polynesians island by island and tried to sort them by date settled. Would they all be the same, or would Maori be the most psychopathic? Is psychopathy key to success in settling a new island, or perhaps the key to getting exiled?

  14. The Cold Winters Theory is old nonsense that was refuted by genetic research. Europeans have some genes from West Hunters, but much more from neolithic middle eastern farmers and from indo-europeans who were themselves in part of middle eastern farmer descent. Despite paleo dieters fantasies we are not descended from mammoth hunters but from people who spent the glacial maximum in warm areas.
    A more probable theory is that of genetic pacification in which strong states executed violent offenders and even petty criminals for hundreds of years and so removed the psychopathy genes from the gene pool.

    • Replies: @melanf

    Despite paleo dieters fantasies we are not descended from mammoth hunters but from people who spent the glacial maximum in warm areas.
     
    The European population is still the result of mixing the Paleolithic population of Europe with Neolithic newcomers from Asia. In particular, the found skulls show a clear continuity (that is, the shape of the skulls of European residents changed smoothly in the Paleolithic-Mesolithic-Neolithic period, showing continuous continuity) for at least some regions of Europe.
    , @res

    The Cold Winters Theory is old nonsense that was refuted by genetic research.
     
    Statements like this are much more persuasive when accompanied by references to the research. Care to give that a try?
  15. Interesting how r/k selection works inversely on humans – in animals, those in the tropical climates will be extremely K selected, and the ones in the cold are going to be dumber anr r selected.

    • Replies: @Daemon
    You think Moose and Polar Bears are r-selected?
  16. So which are the most underachieving countries with respect to human capital? Italy, Argentina, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus?

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    DPRK
    , @Blinky Bill
    China it's not even close. They are by far the most underachieving country over the last 200 years. Anatoly likes to bemoan the many opportunities missed by the Russian Nation/People over last 100 or so years. Pointing out that potentially they could have had a population of 300-400 million people and been a Super Power on par with the USA. But in comparison to what China could have been.

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan's and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. There wouldn't be any talk of Chinese encroachment in the South China Sea but rather the talking points would be about US aggression in the Gulf of Mexico and their frivolous territorial claims in the Caribbean. 👲👲👲 The Chinese are a Global disappointment.
  17. @GodHelpUs
    Temperate climate doesn't just mean you need to work harder during the summer. You also have to build a granary to protect your harvest from vermin. Then you have to build walls around your granary to protect it from other tribes. Then you need to maintain a warrior class to protect the walls, and you need a king to rule over the warriors. Then you need a religious tradition that provides a moral code to keep the king from becoming a tyrant.

    By the end of this process, you have created a city state.

    Why do Greeks and Sicilians have slower IQ than Bavarians, would not being located bear trading lanes boost your IQ?

  18. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle
    The Cold Winters Theory is old nonsense that was refuted by genetic research. Europeans have some genes from West Hunters, but much more from neolithic middle eastern farmers and from indo-europeans who were themselves in part of middle eastern farmer descent. Despite paleo dieters fantasies we are not descended from mammoth hunters but from people who spent the glacial maximum in warm areas.
    A more probable theory is that of genetic pacification in which strong states executed violent offenders and even petty criminals for hundreds of years and so removed the psychopathy genes from the gene pool.

    Despite paleo dieters fantasies we are not descended from mammoth hunters but from people who spent the glacial maximum in warm areas.

    The European population is still the result of mixing the Paleolithic population of Europe with Neolithic newcomers from Asia. In particular, the found skulls show a clear continuity (that is, the shape of the skulls of European residents changed smoothly in the Paleolithic-Mesolithic-Neolithic period, showing continuous continuity) for at least some regions of Europe.

    • Replies: @utu
    How continuous is this continuity? How many Paleolithic skulls were found in Europe to warrant any talk about continuity?
  19. @melanf

    Despite paleo dieters fantasies we are not descended from mammoth hunters but from people who spent the glacial maximum in warm areas.
     
    The European population is still the result of mixing the Paleolithic population of Europe with Neolithic newcomers from Asia. In particular, the found skulls show a clear continuity (that is, the shape of the skulls of European residents changed smoothly in the Paleolithic-Mesolithic-Neolithic period, showing continuous continuity) for at least some regions of Europe.

    How continuous is this continuity? How many Paleolithic skulls were found in Europe to warrant any talk about continuity?

    • Replies: @melanf
    In this case, I know the statement of Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an anthropologist and an expert in this field), Europoid features clearly appear in skulls of European hunters of the late Paleolithic. That is, the early European "mammoth hunters" have a bizarre mixture of signs of different races, but the later "mammoth hunters" already clearly resemble modern Europeans. The Mesolithic population of Europe is similar to both the late mammoth hunters and modern europids, and since the Neolithic Europe has been inhabited by modern-type people. At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.

    I can also add that the earliest European " mammoth hunters "(found at sites near Vladimir and Voronezh) had the greatest genetic similarity with modern Europeans (and the least genetic similarity with Africans and australoids)
  20. @utu
    How continuous is this continuity? How many Paleolithic skulls were found in Europe to warrant any talk about continuity?

    In this case, I know the statement of Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an anthropologist and an expert in this field), Europoid features clearly appear in skulls of European hunters of the late Paleolithic. That is, the early European “mammoth hunters” have a bizarre mixture of signs of different races, but the later “mammoth hunters” already clearly resemble modern Europeans. The Mesolithic population of Europe is similar to both the late mammoth hunters and modern europids, and since the Neolithic Europe has been inhabited by modern-type people. At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.

    I can also add that the earliest European ” mammoth hunters “(found at sites near Vladimir and Voronezh) had the greatest genetic similarity with modern Europeans (and the least genetic similarity with Africans and australoids)

    • Replies: @utu
    Thanks but don't you think that paleontology or anthropology are sciences that are theory rich and data poor? That's why I asked about the number of fossils. How many skulls are there so somebody could claim that there was a continuity?
    , @Anti-HBD

    At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.
     
    This is wrong. There is an influx of people from Siberia around 5000 years ago, little continuity exists with the Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe to my knowledge.
  21. @melanf
    In this case, I know the statement of Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an anthropologist and an expert in this field), Europoid features clearly appear in skulls of European hunters of the late Paleolithic. That is, the early European "mammoth hunters" have a bizarre mixture of signs of different races, but the later "mammoth hunters" already clearly resemble modern Europeans. The Mesolithic population of Europe is similar to both the late mammoth hunters and modern europids, and since the Neolithic Europe has been inhabited by modern-type people. At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.

    I can also add that the earliest European " mammoth hunters "(found at sites near Vladimir and Voronezh) had the greatest genetic similarity with modern Europeans (and the least genetic similarity with Africans and australoids)

    Thanks but don’t you think that paleontology or anthropology are sciences that are theory rich and data poor? That’s why I asked about the number of fossils. How many skulls are there so somebody could claim that there was a continuity?

    • Replies: @melanf

    Thanks but don’t you think that paleontology or anthropology are sciences that are theory rich and data poor? That’s why I asked about the number of fossils. How many skulls are there so somebody could claim that there was a continuity?
     
    For the exact number of Paleolithic finds listed, you need to look at the special literature, but the total number of Paleolithic finds in Europe is in the hundreds. So the observed evolution of the skull shape towards modern Europeans is statistically reliable

    Well, genetic research - if a person from Markina Gora (the oldest European of the Homo sapiens species) has the greatest genetic similarity with modern Europeans-it is hardly an accident.
  22. What’s wrong with Richard Lynn’s Race Differences in Psychopathic Personality, that hardly anybody is writing or twittering about it – not even here, amongst the Unz writers & readership? – Is it that disturbing? – It sure is hard to tell what to do with such insights.

    So – thanks Anatoly Karlin for this insightful review!

  23. @utu
    Thanks but don't you think that paleontology or anthropology are sciences that are theory rich and data poor? That's why I asked about the number of fossils. How many skulls are there so somebody could claim that there was a continuity?

    Thanks but don’t you think that paleontology or anthropology are sciences that are theory rich and data poor? That’s why I asked about the number of fossils. How many skulls are there so somebody could claim that there was a continuity?

    For the exact number of Paleolithic finds listed, you need to look at the special literature, but the total number of Paleolithic finds in Europe is in the hundreds. So the observed evolution of the skull shape towards modern Europeans is statistically reliable

    Well, genetic research – if a person from Markina Gora (the oldest European of the Homo sapiens species) has the greatest genetic similarity with modern Europeans-it is hardly an accident.

  24. I find it difficult to believe that East Asians are the least psychopathic race, especially less so than Europeans. Psychopathy and callousness is widely perceived as a typical East Asian trait, they are not known as very empathetic people.

    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    Compare middle class Americans and Germans to Chinese Peasants and you come to one conclusion. Compare them to middle class Singaporeans and Japanese and you should come to a different conclusion. There are other factors involved besides Race that might cloud your initial beliefs.
    , @Daemon
    Europeans are currently 'tamed' by the vast resource availability of living in first world countries. Take away easy access to those resources and you will see what your precious Euros are really like.

    Hint, take off those rose-eyed glasses and look back to your pre-18th Century history.

  25. @Mr. XYZ

    Over the next twelve chapters, Lynn carries out an exhaustive survey of racial differences in psychopathic personality around the world. The regions/groups covered include: The US; Canada; Europe; Sub-Saharan Africa; South Asia; The Caribbean; Australia; New Zealand; Pacific Islanders; the Inuit; Latin America. There is also one chapter that analyzes international differences. On this basis, a hierarchy of racial differences that matches J. Philippe Rushton’s classic r/K schema is revealed: Northeast Asians < Europeans < Hispanics & South Asians < Native Americans < Maori < Sub-Saharan Africans < Aborigines. Accounting for psychopathic personality in addition to intelligence provides a much closer explanation of racial differences in crime rates than IQ just by itself.
     
    What about Middle Easterners and North Africans? It would be interesting to compare their scores with those of Europeans.

    I also wonder if there are differences among different groups of Europeans in regards to this.

    In the last chapter, Richard Lynn extends Cold Winters Theory to explain the racial hierarchy in in psychopathic personality. First, colder climes necessitated stronger male-female pair bonding, to ensure that children remained cared for. Second, they encouraged selection for gratification delayal, due to the necessity of storing food over the cold winter months (whereas in the tropics, plant and insect food sources are available year round, which diminishes the utility of long-term planning). Third, they selected for the ability to maintain cooperative social relations due to the greater emphasis on big game hunting. Fourth, they selected for a reduction of sexual promiscuity, since hunters who are gone for days at a time need some reassurance that the guys who stayed behind aren’t banging their partners back at the base camp. These selective forces acted to different extents on the various races of Man, with Negroids in the tropics less affected than Caucasoids in the temperate regions, who were in turn less affected than Mongoloids in the taiga.
     
    Are southern Chinese and Vietnamese different from northern Chinese in regards to these traits? After all, I seem to recall that James Flynn previously used the example of southern Chinese to argue against the Cold Winters Theory.

    The lowly position of Arabs (some of whom could just about pass for white), and curve-ball North Africans (white Berbers) disturbs the cosy schema of Karlin and other amateur geneticists.

    ——————————–

    FWIW, I think white folk are clearly the most psychopathic, a situation which is even worse if you count Ashkenazim as white.

  26. @Mr. XYZ
    Are British South Asians actually a good representative of South Asians in general, though?

    “Are British South Asians actually a good representative of South Asians in general, though?”

    I’d imagine a split between Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian would be helpful. Pakistanis seem to have much higher crime rates.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    Indian gypsies are very crime prone, Pakistanis are often Mirpuris, Indians more selected otherwise.
  27. According to Lynn East Asians are less psychopathic than Europeans. I’m interested if Lynn goes more in depth about this and deals with the exceptions to the rule like higher levels of corruption in East Asia (even in developed parts like Taiwan and South Korea) and weaker ability for members of society to cooperate with each other.

    Also how does psychopathy in the sense used by this book relate to the Big Five personality factor of neuroticism?

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
    The typical East Asian character seems very much like high functioning psychopath/sociopath in my opinion. My experience of buying from Chinese sellers on Ebay, Aliexpress, etc, has been that if something goes wrong they will almost never right it and they are prepared to tell blatant, utterly implausible lies to avoid having to refund you or replace the item.

    Either they have no sense of honour, or their perception of honour is very different to the Western sense of it. Most white sellers take pride in their business and would be prepared to replace or refund a product where something has gone wrong as a matter of pride and to retain a customer. Chinese sellers in contrast seem pathologically dishonest and will literally argue over the last cent, even if it means that they will lose a customer and likely lose more money in the long run.

    , @AP
    Corruption isn't necessarily psychopathy. Psychopathy involves a mixture of callousness, indifference to (or joy in) others' suffering, pleasure in manipulation, and low impulse control.
  28. @Znzn
    So which are the most underachieving countries with respect to human capital? Italy, Argentina, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus?

    DPRK

  29. @Znzn
    So which are the most underachieving countries with respect to human capital? Italy, Argentina, Russia, Ukraine, Belarus?

    China it’s not even close. They are by far the most underachieving country over the last 200 years. Anatoly likes to bemoan the many opportunities missed by the Russian Nation/People over last 100 or so years. Pointing out that potentially they could have had a population of 300-400 million people and been a Super Power on par with the USA. But in comparison to what China could have been.

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan’s and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. There wouldn’t be any talk of Chinese encroachment in the South China Sea but rather the talking points would be about US aggression in the Gulf of Mexico and their frivolous territorial claims in the Caribbean. 👲👲👲 The Chinese are a Global disappointment.

    • Replies: @Some Guy
    Agreed, however perhaps he meant which country under-performs the most per capita. Then North Korea seems a clear winner. In Europe it'd be Moldova.
    , @Mitleser
    China is too big and united for its own good.
    It would have been better if there had been a couple/some Chinese states competing with each other than one dominant state.
    , @Loosely Speaking

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan’s and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. ... The Chinese are a Global disappointment.

     

    Or maybe the Chinese, with plenty of experience of their own explosive population growth, are smarter than so many Americans about the drawbacks of more bodies in a degraded environment, and in a job base ever-shrinking thanks to automation. Has it never occurred to you that the Chinese, despite their undesirable political system, have the intelligence to not want "2 Billion people"?
  30. @china-russia-all-the-way
    According to Lynn East Asians are less psychopathic than Europeans. I'm interested if Lynn goes more in depth about this and deals with the exceptions to the rule like higher levels of corruption in East Asia (even in developed parts like Taiwan and South Korea) and weaker ability for members of society to cooperate with each other.

    Also how does psychopathy in the sense used by this book relate to the Big Five personality factor of neuroticism?

    The typical East Asian character seems very much like high functioning psychopath/sociopath in my opinion. My experience of buying from Chinese sellers on Ebay, Aliexpress, etc, has been that if something goes wrong they will almost never right it and they are prepared to tell blatant, utterly implausible lies to avoid having to refund you or replace the item.

    Either they have no sense of honour, or their perception of honour is very different to the Western sense of it. Most white sellers take pride in their business and would be prepared to replace or refund a product where something has gone wrong as a matter of pride and to retain a customer. Chinese sellers in contrast seem pathologically dishonest and will literally argue over the last cent, even if it means that they will lose a customer and likely lose more money in the long run.

    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    Westerner goes to Thailand looking for cheap/ugly whores. Finds said whores then proceeds to claim all Thais are whores with no honour. 😂
    , @silviosilver
    My experience with Chinese merchants mirrors your own.

    Chinese born and raised in the west tend not to act this way though. Indeed, their customer service is often exemplary. So I'm sure it's much more a cultural rather than racial trait.

    , @Dmitry
    Well my experience of buying in Aliexpress has been different to your one. It is ok over the years and I always received the product, although I often received products with unreliable components like CapXons, etc.

    China is still mainly third world and a semi-primitive country, probably without "consumer protection" law. More primitive country - more primitive method of scammers: e.g. in a country as primitive as Nigeria, they produce Nigerian princess emails.

    However, much more funny scams are in the world's sophisticated and developed countries like Switzerland.
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/goldmundizator.html


    For example, Goldmund. which sells $10,000 CD players, amplifiers, DVD players, which they say are the highest quality in the world.

    https://goldmund.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/cropped-Swiss-made-logo-small-areas_Gold-website-_Gold-.png

    https://www.hifishock.org/wp-content/uploads/electronics/goldmund-audio/source/dvd-player/eidos-18d-0-goldmund.jpg

    Inside it is actually the internal parts of $80 Pioneer DVD player, which they re-arrange and put in a large metal box, and sell for thousands of dollars as handmade in Switzerland.

    Here is the $80 Pioneer DVD player.
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/969938_1.jpg

    And here the thousands of dollars "made in Switzerland" one:
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/969938_2.jpg


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GVWJvSJSu9s/SLa8JUGUEqI/AAAAAAAAAVY/IK7pRKdMaiE/s320/Goldmund4.jpg

    While the remote looks like they relabel the Pioneer one.

  31. @Europe Europa
    I find it difficult to believe that East Asians are the least psychopathic race, especially less so than Europeans. Psychopathy and callousness is widely perceived as a typical East Asian trait, they are not known as very empathetic people.

    Compare middle class Americans and Germans to Chinese Peasants and you come to one conclusion. Compare them to middle class Singaporeans and Japanese and you should come to a different conclusion. There are other factors involved besides Race that might cloud your initial beliefs.

  32. @Europe Europa
    The typical East Asian character seems very much like high functioning psychopath/sociopath in my opinion. My experience of buying from Chinese sellers on Ebay, Aliexpress, etc, has been that if something goes wrong they will almost never right it and they are prepared to tell blatant, utterly implausible lies to avoid having to refund you or replace the item.

    Either they have no sense of honour, or their perception of honour is very different to the Western sense of it. Most white sellers take pride in their business and would be prepared to replace or refund a product where something has gone wrong as a matter of pride and to retain a customer. Chinese sellers in contrast seem pathologically dishonest and will literally argue over the last cent, even if it means that they will lose a customer and likely lose more money in the long run.

    Westerner goes to Thailand looking for cheap/ugly whores. Finds said whores then proceeds to claim all Thais are whores with no honour. 😂

  33. @Europe Europa
    I find it difficult to believe that East Asians are the least psychopathic race, especially less so than Europeans. Psychopathy and callousness is widely perceived as a typical East Asian trait, they are not known as very empathetic people.

    Europeans are currently ‘tamed’ by the vast resource availability of living in first world countries. Take away easy access to those resources and you will see what your precious Euros are really like.

    Hint, take off those rose-eyed glasses and look back to your pre-18th Century history.

  34. @Svevlad
    Interesting how r/k selection works inversely on humans - in animals, those in the tropical climates will be extremely K selected, and the ones in the cold are going to be dumber anr r selected.

    You think Moose and Polar Bears are r-selected?

    • LOL: iffen
  35. @Blinky Bill
    China it's not even close. They are by far the most underachieving country over the last 200 years. Anatoly likes to bemoan the many opportunities missed by the Russian Nation/People over last 100 or so years. Pointing out that potentially they could have had a population of 300-400 million people and been a Super Power on par with the USA. But in comparison to what China could have been.

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan's and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. There wouldn't be any talk of Chinese encroachment in the South China Sea but rather the talking points would be about US aggression in the Gulf of Mexico and their frivolous territorial claims in the Caribbean. 👲👲👲 The Chinese are a Global disappointment.

    Agreed, however perhaps he meant which country under-performs the most per capita. Then North Korea seems a clear winner. In Europe it’d be Moldova.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  36. @Europe Europa
    The typical East Asian character seems very much like high functioning psychopath/sociopath in my opinion. My experience of buying from Chinese sellers on Ebay, Aliexpress, etc, has been that if something goes wrong they will almost never right it and they are prepared to tell blatant, utterly implausible lies to avoid having to refund you or replace the item.

    Either they have no sense of honour, or their perception of honour is very different to the Western sense of it. Most white sellers take pride in their business and would be prepared to replace or refund a product where something has gone wrong as a matter of pride and to retain a customer. Chinese sellers in contrast seem pathologically dishonest and will literally argue over the last cent, even if it means that they will lose a customer and likely lose more money in the long run.

    My experience with Chinese merchants mirrors your own.

    Chinese born and raised in the west tend not to act this way though. Indeed, their customer service is often exemplary. So I’m sure it’s much more a cultural rather than racial trait.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill

    Chinese born and raised in the west tend not to act this way though. Indeed, their customer service is often exemplary
     
    Agreed. I like to add that those Chinese born and raised in the East (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Chinese Malaysians/Thias) tend not to act this way either.

    Much of this behavior concerning Mainland Chinese is a reflection of their recent economic/politcal history. Poverty and Ideology can shape culture far more quickly than it can biology/Race. It is also rapidly improving in Tier1/ urban China and among her youth the change in mindset is readily noticeable.

    , @res
    I suspect there are multiple things going on here:
    1. It is a cultural overlay on a genetic trait. Blinky Bill makes some good points. Looking at mixed races in the same cultures is the obvious test to assess the balance, but China is fairly monoracial so hard to do there.
    2. Lynn probably lumps multiple traits into psychopathy all of which are unlikely to vary in exactly the same way across races.
  37. @YetAnotherAnon
    "Are British South Asians actually a good representative of South Asians in general, though?"

    I'd imagine a split between Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Indian would be helpful. Pakistanis seem to have much higher crime rates.

    Indian gypsies are very crime prone, Pakistanis are often Mirpuris, Indians more selected otherwise.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
    I am quite certain that the gypsies in the UK are not from India but rather from Eastern Europe. I do realise gypsies originate from Northern India but that migration happened around 1000 years ago.

    Most Pakistanis come from that one district in Kashmir, I believe they were imported here to work in the Northern mill towns as cheap labour.

    Indians in the UK are not as 'elite' as the ones in the US, I have also read many of them are not Brahmins like is the case in the US but rather 'Patels' (like the Home Secretary) who middle-tier.

    The crime rate for Indians is lower than White British but higher than Chinese.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ethnicity-facts-and-figures-indian-ethnic-group/indian-ethnic-group-facts-and-figures
  38. @melanf
    In this case, I know the statement of Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an anthropologist and an expert in this field), Europoid features clearly appear in skulls of European hunters of the late Paleolithic. That is, the early European "mammoth hunters" have a bizarre mixture of signs of different races, but the later "mammoth hunters" already clearly resemble modern Europeans. The Mesolithic population of Europe is similar to both the late mammoth hunters and modern europids, and since the Neolithic Europe has been inhabited by modern-type people. At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.

    I can also add that the earliest European " mammoth hunters "(found at sites near Vladimir and Voronezh) had the greatest genetic similarity with modern Europeans (and the least genetic similarity with Africans and australoids)

    At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.

    This is wrong. There is an influx of people from Siberia around 5000 years ago, little continuity exists with the Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe to my knowledge.

    • Replies: @melanf

    This is wrong. There is an influx of people from Siberia around 5000 years ago, little continuity exists with the Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe to my knowledge.
     
    This is what some scientists say (based on genetic data). Another part (also based on genetic data) claims quite different. That is, genetics does not give a clear answer. But the clear continuity in the "racial type" between the late Paleolithic hunters of Europe and modern Europeans makes the version of the complete disappearance of Paleolithic Europeans unlikely.
  39. @Anti-HBD

    At the same time, in the North of Europe, as well as in some other places (currently), the descendants of the indigenous Paleolithic population predominate, while in the South of Europe, the descendants of Neolithic migrants from the Middle East predominate.
     
    This is wrong. There is an influx of people from Siberia around 5000 years ago, little continuity exists with the Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe to my knowledge.

    This is wrong. There is an influx of people from Siberia around 5000 years ago, little continuity exists with the Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe to my knowledge.

    This is what some scientists say (based on genetic data). Another part (also based on genetic data) claims quite different. That is, genetics does not give a clear answer. But the clear continuity in the “racial type” between the late Paleolithic hunters of Europe and modern Europeans makes the version of the complete disappearance of Paleolithic Europeans unlikely.

    • Replies: @Anti-HBD
    Which scientists, based on genetic data, disagree?


    That is, genetics does not give a clear answer.
     
    It does from what I have read about it. There seems to be a consensus on the migration, perhaps not on the proportions.

    But the clear continuity in the “racial type” between the late Paleolithic hunters of Europe and modern Europeans makes the version of the complete disappearance of Paleolithic Europeans unlikely.
     
    Complete disappearance perhaps not, mostly mixing. But could you cite me any papers suggesting such strong continuity?
  40. @melanf

    This is wrong. There is an influx of people from Siberia around 5000 years ago, little continuity exists with the Paleolithic inhabitants of Europe to my knowledge.
     
    This is what some scientists say (based on genetic data). Another part (also based on genetic data) claims quite different. That is, genetics does not give a clear answer. But the clear continuity in the "racial type" between the late Paleolithic hunters of Europe and modern Europeans makes the version of the complete disappearance of Paleolithic Europeans unlikely.

    Which scientists, based on genetic data, disagree?

    That is, genetics does not give a clear answer.

    It does from what I have read about it. There seems to be a consensus on the migration, perhaps not on the proportions.

    But the clear continuity in the “racial type” between the late Paleolithic hunters of Europe and modern Europeans makes the version of the complete disappearance of Paleolithic Europeans unlikely.

    Complete disappearance perhaps not, mostly mixing. But could you cite me any papers suggesting such strong continuity?

    • Replies: @melanf

    It does from what I have read about it. There seems to be a consensus on the migration, perhaps not on the proportions.
     
    There is no doubt about the existence of migrations. But the extent to which middle Eastern migrants have displaced the local European population is a subject of fierce debate.

    Which scientists, based on genetic data, disagree?
     
    Disagree with the almost complete disappearance of the genetic line of Paleolithic hunters in Europe? The first thing that caught my eye:
    http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=6089

    "Of the genomes of 167 modern populations considered, the genome from kostenok (K 14) is most similar to the population of Europe, and within it – to the genomes of Northern Europeans....In General, summarizing the accumulated data on the study of ancient genomes, we can make an important conclusion that in Europe, starting from the upper Paleolithic, there was a metapopulation that is inextricably linked to other gene pools in Eurasia, and the genetic trace of this metapopulation can be traced today. Moreover, this upper Paleolithic genetic contribution is relatively higher in modern Northern Europeans than in southern ones. In General, the genetic picture of the colonization of Europe from the upper Paleolithic to the present day turned out to be much more complex than previously thought – before the detailed study of ancient DNA."

    But could you cite me any papers suggesting such strong continuity?
     
    I heard a lecture from Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an expert in this issue)
  41. @silviosilver
    My experience with Chinese merchants mirrors your own.

    Chinese born and raised in the west tend not to act this way though. Indeed, their customer service is often exemplary. So I'm sure it's much more a cultural rather than racial trait.

    Chinese born and raised in the west tend not to act this way though. Indeed, their customer service is often exemplary

    Agreed. I like to add that those Chinese born and raised in the East (Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Chinese Malaysians/Thias) tend not to act this way either.

    Much of this behavior concerning Mainland Chinese is a reflection of their recent economic/politcal history. Poverty and Ideology can shape culture far more quickly than it can biology/Race. It is also rapidly improving in Tier1/ urban China and among her youth the change in mindset is readily noticeable.

  42. @china-russia-all-the-way
    According to Lynn East Asians are less psychopathic than Europeans. I'm interested if Lynn goes more in depth about this and deals with the exceptions to the rule like higher levels of corruption in East Asia (even in developed parts like Taiwan and South Korea) and weaker ability for members of society to cooperate with each other.

    Also how does psychopathy in the sense used by this book relate to the Big Five personality factor of neuroticism?

    Corruption isn’t necessarily psychopathy. Psychopathy involves a mixture of callousness, indifference to (or joy in) others’ suffering, pleasure in manipulation, and low impulse control.

    • Replies: @utu
    Really successful psychopath has a very high impulse control. Perhaps the highest next to a Buddhist monk.
  43. Why is Richard Lynn still pushing a form of CWT and r/K selection? Those two ideas have been refuted to hell and back

  44. Bingo! Thanks to LBJ and other power mad and devious pols we have Federalized welfare which turns out tons of black psychopaths. Worldwide blacks have problems but we exacerbate the negatives in the good old USA.

  45. @AP
    Corruption isn't necessarily psychopathy. Psychopathy involves a mixture of callousness, indifference to (or joy in) others' suffering, pleasure in manipulation, and low impulse control.

    Really successful psychopath has a very high impulse control. Perhaps the highest next to a Buddhist monk.

    • Replies: @AP
    Sure, but in this case the real successful psychopath is one that doesn't have pure psychopathic characteristics. Conversely, some psychopathic features help non-psychopaths to be successful. For example, a bold cut-throat successful businessman who is able to compartmentalize this aspect of himself and to be a loyal and decent husband, father, church figure, etc. Surgeons and police officers are shown to have some psychopathic traits.
  46. @Europe Europa
    The typical East Asian character seems very much like high functioning psychopath/sociopath in my opinion. My experience of buying from Chinese sellers on Ebay, Aliexpress, etc, has been that if something goes wrong they will almost never right it and they are prepared to tell blatant, utterly implausible lies to avoid having to refund you or replace the item.

    Either they have no sense of honour, or their perception of honour is very different to the Western sense of it. Most white sellers take pride in their business and would be prepared to replace or refund a product where something has gone wrong as a matter of pride and to retain a customer. Chinese sellers in contrast seem pathologically dishonest and will literally argue over the last cent, even if it means that they will lose a customer and likely lose more money in the long run.

    Well my experience of buying in Aliexpress has been different to your one. It is ok over the years and I always received the product, although I often received products with unreliable components like CapXons, etc.

    China is still mainly third world and a semi-primitive country, probably without “consumer protection” law. More primitive country – more primitive method of scammers: e.g. in a country as primitive as Nigeria, they produce Nigerian princess emails.

    However, much more funny scams are in the world’s sophisticated and developed countries like Switzerland.
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/goldmundizator.html

    For example, Goldmund. which sells $10,000 CD players, amplifiers, DVD players, which they say are the highest quality in the world.


    Inside it is actually the internal parts of $80 Pioneer DVD player, which they re-arrange and put in a large metal box, and sell for thousands of dollars as handmade in Switzerland.

    Here is the $80 Pioneer DVD player.
    And here the thousands of dollars “made in Switzerland” one:

    While the remote looks like they relabel the Pioneer one.

    • LOL: silviosilver
    • Replies: @utu
    Court: Israelis Suspected in 'Nigerian Scam' Can Be Extradited to U.S.
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5135080

    Two Leaders of Israeli Fraud Ring Sentenced in Manhattan Federal Court in Connection with Lottery Scheme That Targeted Elderly Victims in the United States

    https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/newyork/news/press-releases/two-leaders-of-israeli-fraud-ring-sentenced-in-manhattan-federal-court-in-connection-with-lottery-scheme-that-targeted-elderly-victims-in-the-united-states

    Grandparent scam

    https://montrealgazette.com/news/grandparent-scam-thrives-in-montreal

    https://psmag.com/economics/fraud-phones-loved-ones-illusion-invulnerability-grandparent-scam-88636

    "Montreal, it turns out, is the Queen City of the grandparent scam, as well as a whole litany of other frauds, many of them aimed at telephone numbers in the U.S."

    "His best guess is that Montreal has 20 to 30 scam outfits, each working as an independent unit that picks up and moves—from apartment to commercial office space and back again—about every six months. (Yvan says the term “boiler room” is seriously out of date.) One unit can consist of as few as four “reps” or “pitchers,” both men and women, who work the phones."

    "The reps set the cycle in motion, provoking small armies of grandparents to fire off wire transfers. Money goes whirling around the globe—through places like Spain, Ecuador, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic, where it can move untraced via MoneyGrams, Western Union orders, and Green Dot MoneyPaks from Walmart. All the fake Faye M. Scotts are in place with their bogus documents, collecting the money and sending it back to Montreal, minus a few deductions each time it changes hand."

    "In fact, across Montreal, the grandparent scam is only one of many impostor frauds. Some variations on the theme: For the Polish community, there’s the distant relative who went to Germany for serious surgery and finds himself without funds to pay the doctors. For local Muslims, it’s the traveling holy man, the imam, who is on his way to a mosque in Toronto but had his luggage seized in the U.K. and needs help to complete his journey. The Croatian version has a countryman with visa problems on his way to Canada, stuck on a ship docked in the Bahamas. The current hot impostor fraud has phone scammers posing as law enforcement officers, threatening arrest for some legal infraction—such as not turning up for a phantom court appearance."
  47. @Dmitry
    Well my experience of buying in Aliexpress has been different to your one. It is ok over the years and I always received the product, although I often received products with unreliable components like CapXons, etc.

    China is still mainly third world and a semi-primitive country, probably without "consumer protection" law. More primitive country - more primitive method of scammers: e.g. in a country as primitive as Nigeria, they produce Nigerian princess emails.

    However, much more funny scams are in the world's sophisticated and developed countries like Switzerland.
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/goldmundizator.html


    For example, Goldmund. which sells $10,000 CD players, amplifiers, DVD players, which they say are the highest quality in the world.

    https://goldmund.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/cropped-Swiss-made-logo-small-areas_Gold-website-_Gold-.png

    https://www.hifishock.org/wp-content/uploads/electronics/goldmund-audio/source/dvd-player/eidos-18d-0-goldmund.jpg

    Inside it is actually the internal parts of $80 Pioneer DVD player, which they re-arrange and put in a large metal box, and sell for thousands of dollars as handmade in Switzerland.

    Here is the $80 Pioneer DVD player.
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/969938_1.jpg

    And here the thousands of dollars "made in Switzerland" one:
    http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/REFERENCES/Goldmund/969938_2.jpg


    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GVWJvSJSu9s/SLa8JUGUEqI/AAAAAAAAAVY/IK7pRKdMaiE/s320/Goldmund4.jpg

    While the remote looks like they relabel the Pioneer one.

    Court: Israelis Suspected in ‘Nigerian Scam’ Can Be Extradited to U.S.
    https://www.haaretz.com/1.5135080

    Two Leaders of Israeli Fraud Ring Sentenced in Manhattan Federal Court in Connection with Lottery Scheme That Targeted Elderly Victims in the United States

    https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/newyork/news/press-releases/two-leaders-of-israeli-fraud-ring-sentenced-in-manhattan-federal-court-in-connection-with-lottery-scheme-that-targeted-elderly-victims-in-the-united-states

    Grandparent scam

    https://montrealgazette.com/news/grandparent-scam-thrives-in-montreal

    https://psmag.com/economics/fraud-phones-loved-ones-illusion-invulnerability-grandparent-scam-88636

    “Montreal, it turns out, is the Queen City of the grandparent scam, as well as a whole litany of other frauds, many of them aimed at telephone numbers in the U.S.”

    “His best guess is that Montreal has 20 to 30 scam outfits, each working as an independent unit that picks up and moves—from apartment to commercial office space and back again—about every six months. (Yvan says the term “boiler room” is seriously out of date.) One unit can consist of as few as four “reps” or “pitchers,” both men and women, who work the phones.”

    “The reps set the cycle in motion, provoking small armies of grandparents to fire off wire transfers. Money goes whirling around the globe—through places like Spain, Ecuador, Mexico, and the Dominican Republic, where it can move untraced via MoneyGrams, Western Union orders, and Green Dot MoneyPaks from Walmart. All the fake Faye M. Scotts are in place with their bogus documents, collecting the money and sending it back to Montreal, minus a few deductions each time it changes hand.”

    “In fact, across Montreal, the grandparent scam is only one of many impostor frauds. Some variations on the theme: For the Polish community, there’s the distant relative who went to Germany for serious surgery and finds himself without funds to pay the doctors. For local Muslims, it’s the traveling holy man, the imam, who is on his way to a mosque in Toronto but had his luggage seized in the U.K. and needs help to complete his journey. The Croatian version has a countryman with visa problems on his way to Canada, stuck on a ship docked in the Bahamas. The current hot impostor fraud has phone scammers posing as law enforcement officers, threatening arrest for some legal infraction—such as not turning up for a phantom court appearance.”

  48. @Anti-HBD
    Which scientists, based on genetic data, disagree?


    That is, genetics does not give a clear answer.
     
    It does from what I have read about it. There seems to be a consensus on the migration, perhaps not on the proportions.

    But the clear continuity in the “racial type” between the late Paleolithic hunters of Europe and modern Europeans makes the version of the complete disappearance of Paleolithic Europeans unlikely.
     
    Complete disappearance perhaps not, mostly mixing. But could you cite me any papers suggesting such strong continuity?

    It does from what I have read about it. There seems to be a consensus on the migration, perhaps not on the proportions.

    There is no doubt about the existence of migrations. But the extent to which middle Eastern migrants have displaced the local European population is a subject of fierce debate.

    Which scientists, based on genetic data, disagree?

    Disagree with the almost complete disappearance of the genetic line of Paleolithic hunters in Europe? The first thing that caught my eye:
    http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=6089

    Of the genomes of 167 modern populations considered, the genome from kostenok (K 14) is most similar to the population of Europe, and within it – to the genomes of Northern Europeans….In General, summarizing the accumulated data on the study of ancient genomes, we can make an important conclusion that in Europe, starting from the upper Paleolithic, there was a metapopulation that is inextricably linked to other gene pools in Eurasia, and the genetic trace of this metapopulation can be traced today. Moreover, this upper Paleolithic genetic contribution is relatively higher in modern Northern Europeans than in southern ones. In General, the genetic picture of the colonization of Europe from the upper Paleolithic to the present day turned out to be much more complex than previously thought – before the detailed study of ancient DNA.

    But could you cite me any papers suggesting such strong continuity?

    I heard a lecture from Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an expert in this issue)

    • Replies: @Anti-HBD

    There is no doubt about the existence of migrations. But the extent to which middle Eastern migrants have displaced the local European population is a subject of fierce debate.
     
    Most papers I have seen point to excessive population turnover: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27459054

    Disagree with the almost complete disappearance of the genetic line of Paleolithic hunters in Europe? The first thing that caught my eye:
     
    Link is broken unfortunately.

    What are your thoughts on the North Eurasians from Siberia?


    I heard a lecture from Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an expert in this issue)
     
    I know of him, but it is a debated topic and many physical anthropologists argue the continuity is small with similarities to other populations too.
  49. @melanf

    It does from what I have read about it. There seems to be a consensus on the migration, perhaps not on the proportions.
     
    There is no doubt about the existence of migrations. But the extent to which middle Eastern migrants have displaced the local European population is a subject of fierce debate.

    Which scientists, based on genetic data, disagree?
     
    Disagree with the almost complete disappearance of the genetic line of Paleolithic hunters in Europe? The first thing that caught my eye:
    http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=6089

    "Of the genomes of 167 modern populations considered, the genome from kostenok (K 14) is most similar to the population of Europe, and within it – to the genomes of Northern Europeans....In General, summarizing the accumulated data on the study of ancient genomes, we can make an important conclusion that in Europe, starting from the upper Paleolithic, there was a metapopulation that is inextricably linked to other gene pools in Eurasia, and the genetic trace of this metapopulation can be traced today. Moreover, this upper Paleolithic genetic contribution is relatively higher in modern Northern Europeans than in southern ones. In General, the genetic picture of the colonization of Europe from the upper Paleolithic to the present day turned out to be much more complex than previously thought – before the detailed study of ancient DNA."

    But could you cite me any papers suggesting such strong continuity?
     
    I heard a lecture from Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an expert in this issue)

    There is no doubt about the existence of migrations. But the extent to which middle Eastern migrants have displaced the local European population is a subject of fierce debate.

    Most papers I have seen point to excessive population turnover: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27459054

    Disagree with the almost complete disappearance of the genetic line of Paleolithic hunters in Europe? The first thing that caught my eye:

    Link is broken unfortunately.

    What are your thoughts on the North Eurasians from Siberia?

    I heard a lecture from Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an expert in this issue)

    I know of him, but it is a debated topic and many physical anthropologists argue the continuity is small with similarities to other populations too.

    • Replies: @melanf

    Link is broken unfortunately.
     
    The link works on my computer. But type in the search box

    "Древняя ДНК Европы. Верхний палеолит и мезолит. Олег Балановский Фрагмент из книги "Генофонд Европы"

    this will be the first link. But the work is in Russian
  50. @Anti-HBD

    There is no doubt about the existence of migrations. But the extent to which middle Eastern migrants have displaced the local European population is a subject of fierce debate.
     
    Most papers I have seen point to excessive population turnover: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27459054

    Disagree with the almost complete disappearance of the genetic line of Paleolithic hunters in Europe? The first thing that caught my eye:
     
    Link is broken unfortunately.

    What are your thoughts on the North Eurasians from Siberia?


    I heard a lecture from Stanislav Drobyshevsky (he is an expert in this issue)
     
    I know of him, but it is a debated topic and many physical anthropologists argue the continuity is small with similarities to other populations too.

    Link is broken unfortunately.

    The link works on my computer. But type in the search box

    “Древняя ДНК Европы. Верхний палеолит и мезолит. Олег Балановский Фрагмент из книги “Генофонд Европы”

    this will be the first link. But the work is in Russian

  51. @Mr. XYZ

    Over the next twelve chapters, Lynn carries out an exhaustive survey of racial differences in psychopathic personality around the world. The regions/groups covered include: The US; Canada; Europe; Sub-Saharan Africa; South Asia; The Caribbean; Australia; New Zealand; Pacific Islanders; the Inuit; Latin America. There is also one chapter that analyzes international differences. On this basis, a hierarchy of racial differences that matches J. Philippe Rushton’s classic r/K schema is revealed: Northeast Asians < Europeans < Hispanics & South Asians < Native Americans < Maori < Sub-Saharan Africans < Aborigines. Accounting for psychopathic personality in addition to intelligence provides a much closer explanation of racial differences in crime rates than IQ just by itself.
     
    What about Middle Easterners and North Africans? It would be interesting to compare their scores with those of Europeans.

    I also wonder if there are differences among different groups of Europeans in regards to this.

    In the last chapter, Richard Lynn extends Cold Winters Theory to explain the racial hierarchy in in psychopathic personality. First, colder climes necessitated stronger male-female pair bonding, to ensure that children remained cared for. Second, they encouraged selection for gratification delayal, due to the necessity of storing food over the cold winter months (whereas in the tropics, plant and insect food sources are available year round, which diminishes the utility of long-term planning). Third, they selected for the ability to maintain cooperative social relations due to the greater emphasis on big game hunting. Fourth, they selected for a reduction of sexual promiscuity, since hunters who are gone for days at a time need some reassurance that the guys who stayed behind aren’t banging their partners back at the base camp. These selective forces acted to different extents on the various races of Man, with Negroids in the tropics less affected than Caucasoids in the temperate regions, who were in turn less affected than Mongoloids in the taiga.
     
    Are southern Chinese and Vietnamese different from northern Chinese in regards to these traits? After all, I seem to recall that James Flynn previously used the example of southern Chinese to argue against the Cold Winters Theory.

    I remember reading on Unz that southern Chinese are northern Chinese that displaced and sinicized the original inhabitants of South China.

  52. @Blinky Bill
    China it's not even close. They are by far the most underachieving country over the last 200 years. Anatoly likes to bemoan the many opportunities missed by the Russian Nation/People over last 100 or so years. Pointing out that potentially they could have had a population of 300-400 million people and been a Super Power on par with the USA. But in comparison to what China could have been.

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan's and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. There wouldn't be any talk of Chinese encroachment in the South China Sea but rather the talking points would be about US aggression in the Gulf of Mexico and their frivolous territorial claims in the Caribbean. 👲👲👲 The Chinese are a Global disappointment.

    China is too big and united for its own good.
    It would have been better if there had been a couple/some Chinese states competing with each other than one dominant state.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
    *was
  53. @Mitleser
    China is too big and united for its own good.
    It would have been better if there had been a couple/some Chinese states competing with each other than one dominant state.

    *was

  54. @Anti-HBD
    Beyond race being a social construct, CWT is one of the worst explanations offered for any observed differences.

    It just does not stand up to empirical evidence whether ethnographic or otherwise.
    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2020/1/12/ethnographic-evidence-conflicts-with-the-cold-winters-hypothesis

    Beyond race being a social construct

    So you believe race is completely a social construct with zero biological basis?

    CWT is one of the worst explanations offered for any observed differences.

    It just does not stand up to empirical evidence whether ethnographic or otherwise.
    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2020/1/12/ethnographic-evidence-conflicts-with-the-cold-winters-hypothesis

    I see lots of verbiage like: “Somehow folks like Rushton and Lynn and Kanazawa have convinced themselves that people living in one of the most difficult to navigate and inhospitable parts of the planet have actually got it pretty easy. ”

    But very little actually refuting Lynn’s argument or the correlations observed.

    Perhaps you could point to (quote here) the sections you find particularly persuasive?

    • Replies: @Bert
    res, you must not be acquainted with Anti-HBD. For this troll it is sufficient to make a statement like, "Race is a social construct" while ignoring that subspecific taxa (= races) are universal in geographically widespread vertebrate species, with the implication that human races are just an example of how evolution works, and hence their existence is unremarkable. The troll's other tactic is to cite blog content that is just handwaving devoid of any evidence, so you will not get any satisfactory answer to your question. I actually think it is good that the troll posts here because the intellectual absurdity of HBD denial is thereby showcased.
  55. @SIMPLEPseudonymicHandle
    The Cold Winters Theory is old nonsense that was refuted by genetic research. Europeans have some genes from West Hunters, but much more from neolithic middle eastern farmers and from indo-europeans who were themselves in part of middle eastern farmer descent. Despite paleo dieters fantasies we are not descended from mammoth hunters but from people who spent the glacial maximum in warm areas.
    A more probable theory is that of genetic pacification in which strong states executed violent offenders and even petty criminals for hundreds of years and so removed the psychopathy genes from the gene pool.

    The Cold Winters Theory is old nonsense that was refuted by genetic research.

    Statements like this are much more persuasive when accompanied by references to the research. Care to give that a try?

  56. @silviosilver
    My experience with Chinese merchants mirrors your own.

    Chinese born and raised in the west tend not to act this way though. Indeed, their customer service is often exemplary. So I'm sure it's much more a cultural rather than racial trait.

    I suspect there are multiple things going on here:
    1. It is a cultural overlay on a genetic trait. Blinky Bill makes some good points. Looking at mixed races in the same cultures is the obvious test to assess the balance, but China is fairly monoracial so hard to do there.
    2. Lynn probably lumps multiple traits into psychopathy all of which are unlikely to vary in exactly the same way across races.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  57. Thanks for the review, Anatoly. Can you outline where Lynn goes beyond or differs from the conclusions presented in his 2002 paper?
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222191018_Racial_and_ethnic_differences_in_psychopathic_personality

    Does he make available any data sources like his database of country IQs?

    There were some critical responses to that paper at the time, but what I found notable is how mild and limited (and frankly IMHO, weak) the criticism was. Some examples with abstracts.

    Are there racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality? A critique of Lynn’s (2002) racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2003-09115-019

    R. Lynn’s claim (see record 2002-00167-007) that certain races or ethnic groups have a higher incidence of psychopathic personality is not substantiated by large scale community studies in America that show no differences between these groups in the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. No consistent racial differences are found in traits closely associated with psychopathy, sensation seeking and psychoticism, and, Lynn to the contrary, the Psychopathic Deviate scale of the MMPI. Antisocial behavior in Blacks is less related to personality than in Whites. The results on criminality are not compatible with Rushton’s r/K theory of evolutionary selection, as claimed by Lynn, because Native Americans and Hispanic groups are of Siberian Mongoloid origin in the case of the former and mixed Central-American Indian and Spanish Caucasoid in the case of the latter. The differences between African-American, Native-American, Hispanic, and European-American groups in antisocial behavior seems to be more a function of social class, historical circumstance, and their position in Western society rather than racial genetics. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

    Psychopathic personality and racial/ethnic differences reconsidered: a reply to Lynn (2002)
    http://risk-resilience.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/journal-articles/files/psychopathic_personality_and_racial-ethnic_differences_reconsidered_-_a_reply_to_lynn_2003.pdf

    Lynn (2002) argued that psychopathic personality is distributed disproportionately across racial and ethnic groups, and that these putative group differences were likely attributable to genetic factors. Lynn’s analysis is problematic on three primary counts. First, he equates psychopathy with generalized antisocial behavior and social deviance and fails to distinguish longstanding personality-based from behavior-based conceptions of this syndrome. Second, Lynn presumes rather than demonstrates that genetic factors explain race differences in antisocial behavior and social deviance, neglecting such potential alternative explanations as socioeconomic status and measured verbal intelligence. Third, Lynn presents an evolutionary explanation for putative racial and ethnic group differences in psychopathy that fails to reflect current methods and practices of evolutionary biology and genetics. A lack of awareness that Lynn’s conclusions are premature and unwarranted, given the present state of the data, may have far-reaching legal and public policy implications.

    • Replies: @Toronto Russian
    Thanks. That primitive biologizing has to be refuted. I don't know how peer pressure and people's tendency to fit in (especially in the ghetto where they beat you for sticking out) can be so ignored.

    A classic example. Indeed, blacks have a higher average score of thuggery and reproducing low social level, densely colored by criminalization, than whites.

    How to deal with this really? First of all, clean the ghettos, smash street thug groups, expand opportunities for blacks who want to study well and work well, without experiencing the pressure of mafias and street gangs and without seeing them as leaders in their midst; but those who don't want to do this should be relentlessly pejoratived socially before they are criminal, and relentlessly imprisoned when criminal. That is, do exactly what whites have been doing for centuries. Peter-1 is a good student - this Peter is a good boy, Peter-2 is a bad student and hangs around the streets a lot - this Peter is scum, he won’t become a man if he doesn’t reconstruct, Peter-3 steals - he goes to jail. And if Peter-2 and Peter-3 start to beat and bully Peter-1, punish them to the measure of their sins. This, of course, is very severe to the delicate personalities of all three Peters — why, in fact, being a bad student should bear social stigmatization? Who does he owe to study well? But it's either like this, or in this environment there will be increased concentration of thugs and scum, and people who are ready to become Peters-1 in a healthy environment will become them more seldom because if the men in charge in the yard are thugs and your dad is very likely to be one, somehow you aren't really willing or able to confront them and be a nerd. In every Jewish shtetl everybody knew that.

    But in order to carry out all this, you need to spend a lot of time, energy and money (sanitation of criminal streets alone costs quite a bit, and prisons are swelling), and you’ll lose your votes, because a theoretical Aunt Motya Black Hippo won't thank you at all for putting her nephew in jail for thuggery according to a certain article. Another outcome will be an additional group of educated, skilled work-capable blacks to compete with the educated, skilled work-capable blacks and whites who are already there.

    That is, the elites, for their money and troubles, while getting spits of hate from the good people, are going to raise competitors for their own children. Do such elites exist? Of course. But not in modern USA.

    But if you dupe Aunt Motya and Co. with the talk of white privilege and show her a fight against racism by imposing political correctness, introducing standards in Hollywood, demolishing monuments and encouraging hysteria – then they will love you much more, you will need to spend much less money and energy, and blacks will keep producing fewer competitors to the upper social strata. Of course, even then you will need to spend money, but by orders of magnitude less than for sanitation of black ghettos. Profit all around.
     https://wyradhe.livejournal.com/527523.html?thread=19247779#t19247779
     

    Same unwillingness to spend money and energy on improving human conditions, just with different explanations - "they're poor victims of racism and we can't offend their sensibilities by treating thugs like they deserve" (liberalism) and "they're genetically defective anyway, nothing will help" (HBDism). Even though it is shown to work on a small scale (black church-going communities are much more functional and orderly than the typical "hood" - same race but they impose different norms on their members).
  58. @utu
    Really successful psychopath has a very high impulse control. Perhaps the highest next to a Buddhist monk.

    Sure, but in this case the real successful psychopath is one that doesn’t have pure psychopathic characteristics. Conversely, some psychopathic features help non-psychopaths to be successful. For example, a bold cut-throat successful businessman who is able to compartmentalize this aspect of himself and to be a loyal and decent husband, father, church figure, etc. Surgeons and police officers are shown to have some psychopathic traits.

  59. @Blinky Bill
    China it's not even close. They are by far the most underachieving country over the last 200 years. Anatoly likes to bemoan the many opportunities missed by the Russian Nation/People over last 100 or so years. Pointing out that potentially they could have had a population of 300-400 million people and been a Super Power on par with the USA. But in comparison to what China could have been.

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan's and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. There wouldn't be any talk of Chinese encroachment in the South China Sea but rather the talking points would be about US aggression in the Gulf of Mexico and their frivolous territorial claims in the Caribbean. 👲👲👲 The Chinese are a Global disappointment.

    Just imagine 1400 million Singaporeans or 11 Japan’s and that not factoring in the One Child Policy or the Great Leap Forward. China could potentially have had 2 Billion people. … The Chinese are a Global disappointment.

    Or maybe the Chinese, with plenty of experience of their own explosive population growth, are smarter than so many Americans about the drawbacks of more bodies in a degraded environment, and in a job base ever-shrinking thanks to automation. Has it never occurred to you that the Chinese, despite their undesirable political system, have the intelligence to not want “2 Billion people”?

  60. @res
    Thanks for the review, Anatoly. Can you outline where Lynn goes beyond or differs from the conclusions presented in his 2002 paper?
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222191018_Racial_and_ethnic_differences_in_psychopathic_personality

    Does he make available any data sources like his database of country IQs?

    There were some critical responses to that paper at the time, but what I found notable is how mild and limited (and frankly IMHO, weak) the criticism was. Some examples with abstracts.

    Are there racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality? A critique of Lynn's (2002) racial and ethnic differences in psychopathic personality.
    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2003-09115-019

    R. Lynn's claim (see record 2002-00167-007) that certain races or ethnic groups have a higher incidence of psychopathic personality is not substantiated by large scale community studies in America that show no differences between these groups in the diagnosis of antisocial personality disorder. No consistent racial differences are found in traits closely associated with psychopathy, sensation seeking and psychoticism, and, Lynn to the contrary, the Psychopathic Deviate scale of the MMPI. Antisocial behavior in Blacks is less related to personality than in Whites. The results on criminality are not compatible with Rushton's r/K theory of evolutionary selection, as claimed by Lynn, because Native Americans and Hispanic groups are of Siberian Mongoloid origin in the case of the former and mixed Central-American Indian and Spanish Caucasoid in the case of the latter. The differences between African-American, Native-American, Hispanic, and European-American groups in antisocial behavior seems to be more a function of social class, historical circumstance, and their position in Western society rather than racial genetics. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)
     
    Psychopathic personality and racial/ethnic differences reconsidered: a reply to Lynn (2002)
    http://risk-resilience.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/journal-articles/files/psychopathic_personality_and_racial-ethnic_differences_reconsidered_-_a_reply_to_lynn_2003.pdf

    Lynn (2002) argued that psychopathic personality is distributed disproportionately across racial and ethnic groups, and that these putative group differences were likely attributable to genetic factors. Lynn’s analysis is problematic on three primary counts. First, he equates psychopathy with generalized antisocial behavior and social deviance and fails to distinguish longstanding personality-based from behavior-based conceptions of this syndrome. Second, Lynn presumes rather than demonstrates that genetic factors explain race differences in antisocial behavior and social deviance, neglecting such potential alternative explanations as socioeconomic status and measured verbal intelligence. Third, Lynn presents an evolutionary explanation for putative racial and ethnic group differences in psychopathy that fails to reflect current methods and practices of evolutionary biology and genetics. A lack of awareness that Lynn’s conclusions are premature and unwarranted, given the present state of the data, may have far-reaching legal and public policy implications.
     

    Thanks. That primitive biologizing has to be refuted. I don’t know how peer pressure and people’s tendency to fit in (especially in the ghetto where they beat you for sticking out) can be so ignored.

    A classic example. Indeed, blacks have a higher average score of thuggery and reproducing low social level, densely colored by criminalization, than whites.

    How to deal with this really? First of all, clean the ghettos, smash street thug groups, expand opportunities for blacks who want to study well and work well, without experiencing the pressure of mafias and street gangs and without seeing them as leaders in their midst; but those who don’t want to do this should be relentlessly pejoratived socially before they are criminal, and relentlessly imprisoned when criminal. That is, do exactly what whites have been doing for centuries. Peter-1 is a good student – this Peter is a good boy, Peter-2 is a bad student and hangs around the streets a lot – this Peter is scum, he won’t become a man if he doesn’t reconstruct, Peter-3 steals – he goes to jail. And if Peter-2 and Peter-3 start to beat and bully Peter-1, punish them to the measure of their sins. This, of course, is very severe to the delicate personalities of all three Peters — why, in fact, being a bad student should bear social stigmatization? Who does he owe to study well? But it’s either like this, or in this environment there will be increased concentration of thugs and scum, and people who are ready to become Peters-1 in a healthy environment will become them more seldom because if the men in charge in the yard are thugs and your dad is very likely to be one, somehow you aren’t really willing or able to confront them and be a nerd. In every Jewish shtetl everybody knew that.

    But in order to carry out all this, you need to spend a lot of time, energy and money (sanitation of criminal streets alone costs quite a bit, and prisons are swelling), and you’ll lose your votes, because a theoretical Aunt Motya Black Hippo won’t thank you at all for putting her nephew in jail for thuggery according to a certain article. Another outcome will be an additional group of educated, skilled work-capable blacks to compete with the educated, skilled work-capable blacks and whites who are already there.

    That is, the elites, for their money and troubles, while getting spits of hate from the good people, are going to raise competitors for their own children. Do such elites exist? Of course. But not in modern USA.

    But if you dupe Aunt Motya and Co. with the talk of white privilege and show her a fight against racism by imposing political correctness, introducing standards in Hollywood, demolishing monuments and encouraging hysteria – then they will love you much more, you will need to spend much less money and energy, and blacks will keep producing fewer competitors to the upper social strata. Of course, even then you will need to spend money, but by orders of magnitude less than for sanitation of black ghettos. Profit all around.
     https://wyradhe.livejournal.com/527523.html?thread=19247779#t19247779

    Same unwillingness to spend money and energy on improving human conditions, just with different explanations – “they’re poor victims of racism and we can’t offend their sensibilities by treating thugs like they deserve” (liberalism) and “they’re genetically defective anyway, nothing will help” (HBDism). Even though it is shown to work on a small scale (black church-going communities are much more functional and orderly than the typical “hood” – same race but they impose different norms on their members).

  61. @res

    Beyond race being a social construct
     
    So you believe race is completely a social construct with zero biological basis?

    CWT is one of the worst explanations offered for any observed differences.

    It just does not stand up to empirical evidence whether ethnographic or otherwise.
    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2020/1/12/ethnographic-evidence-conflicts-with-the-cold-winters-hypothesis
     
    I see lots of verbiage like: "Somehow folks like Rushton and Lynn and Kanazawa have convinced themselves that people living in one of the most difficult to navigate and inhospitable parts of the planet have actually got it pretty easy. "

    But very little actually refuting Lynn's argument or the correlations observed.

    Perhaps you could point to (quote here) the sections you find particularly persuasive?

    res, you must not be acquainted with Anti-HBD. For this troll it is sufficient to make a statement like, “Race is a social construct” while ignoring that subspecific taxa (= races) are universal in geographically widespread vertebrate species, with the implication that human races are just an example of how evolution works, and hence their existence is unremarkable. The troll’s other tactic is to cite blog content that is just handwaving devoid of any evidence, so you will not get any satisfactory answer to your question. I actually think it is good that the troll posts here because the intellectual absurdity of HBD denial is thereby showcased.

    • Replies: @res

    res, you must not be acquainted with Anti-HBD.
     
    Au contraire. I have responded to about 50 of his roughly 200 comments reaching back into his Anon days. For fun you might look back at his early comment history where he was posting under multiple Anon accounts to evade the comment frequency restrictions. Ron eventually changed those posts to have him as the author rather than the many Anons, but you can see early replies to him which explicitly mention the Anons by number.

    He is a bit better than the average troll (and seems to be Gish galloping less lately, which helps) in that he often gives references and attempts to make real arguments. I might be wrong, but he strikes me as someone who drank deeply of the anti-HBD Kool-Aid (it was nice of him to make his bias clear with his username) rather than someone who actually knows better and is just trolling. But I could be wrong. Many of my comments to him (e.g. the one you replied to) are an attempt to decide this. IMO only an idiot could truly believe race is SOLELY a social construct.

    I actually think it is good that the troll posts here because the intellectual absurdity of HBD denial is thereby showcased.
     
    Agreed. Showcasing that absurdity is why I respond to him.
  62. @Bert
    res, you must not be acquainted with Anti-HBD. For this troll it is sufficient to make a statement like, "Race is a social construct" while ignoring that subspecific taxa (= races) are universal in geographically widespread vertebrate species, with the implication that human races are just an example of how evolution works, and hence their existence is unremarkable. The troll's other tactic is to cite blog content that is just handwaving devoid of any evidence, so you will not get any satisfactory answer to your question. I actually think it is good that the troll posts here because the intellectual absurdity of HBD denial is thereby showcased.

    res, you must not be acquainted with Anti-HBD.

    Au contraire. I have responded to about 50 of his roughly 200 comments reaching back into his Anon days. For fun you might look back at his early comment history where he was posting under multiple Anon accounts to evade the comment frequency restrictions. Ron eventually changed those posts to have him as the author rather than the many Anons, but you can see early replies to him which explicitly mention the Anons by number.

    He is a bit better than the average troll (and seems to be Gish galloping less lately, which helps) in that he often gives references and attempts to make real arguments. I might be wrong, but he strikes me as someone who drank deeply of the anti-HBD Kool-Aid (it was nice of him to make his bias clear with his username) rather than someone who actually knows better and is just trolling. But I could be wrong. Many of my comments to him (e.g. the one you replied to) are an attempt to decide this. IMO only an idiot could truly believe race is SOLELY a social construct.

    I actually think it is good that the troll posts here because the intellectual absurdity of HBD denial is thereby showcased.

    Agreed. Showcasing that absurdity is why I respond to him.

    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    "it was nice of him to make his bias clear with his username)"

    Am I biased? Are you biased? Is he biased? Is everyone biased?
  63. @res

    res, you must not be acquainted with Anti-HBD.
     
    Au contraire. I have responded to about 50 of his roughly 200 comments reaching back into his Anon days. For fun you might look back at his early comment history where he was posting under multiple Anon accounts to evade the comment frequency restrictions. Ron eventually changed those posts to have him as the author rather than the many Anons, but you can see early replies to him which explicitly mention the Anons by number.

    He is a bit better than the average troll (and seems to be Gish galloping less lately, which helps) in that he often gives references and attempts to make real arguments. I might be wrong, but he strikes me as someone who drank deeply of the anti-HBD Kool-Aid (it was nice of him to make his bias clear with his username) rather than someone who actually knows better and is just trolling. But I could be wrong. Many of my comments to him (e.g. the one you replied to) are an attempt to decide this. IMO only an idiot could truly believe race is SOLELY a social construct.

    I actually think it is good that the troll posts here because the intellectual absurdity of HBD denial is thereby showcased.
     
    Agreed. Showcasing that absurdity is why I respond to him.

    “it was nice of him to make his bias clear with his username)”

    Am I biased? Are you biased? Is he biased? Is everyone biased?

    • Replies: @res
    Everyone is biased. Some are more biased (or less willing to reconsider their biases) than others. There are also differences in how fact based people's biases are.

    Your username is interesting because at this point it seems to be counter to your current biases.
  64. @RaceRealist88
    "it was nice of him to make his bias clear with his username)"

    Am I biased? Are you biased? Is he biased? Is everyone biased?

    Everyone is biased. Some are more biased (or less willing to reconsider their biases) than others. There are also differences in how fact based people’s biases are.

    Your username is interesting because at this point it seems to be counter to your current biases.

    • Replies: @RaceRealist88
    "Everyone is biased. Some are more biased (or less willing to reconsider their biases) than others. There are also differences in how fact based people’s biases are."

    I agree with this.

    "Your username is interesting because at this point it seems to be counter to your current biases."

    Depends how you look at it. Kaplan and Winther identified three types of racial realism: Biogenomic/cluster racial realism (like Spencer and Hardimon), biological racial realism (like Jensen, Rushton, Lynn) and social racial realism (I think; like Dorothy Roberts). Though hereditarians have no definition of race that doesn't just assume it's existence: if I'm in error, please point me to one.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/11/06/hereditarian-reasoning-on-race/
  65. @res
    Everyone is biased. Some are more biased (or less willing to reconsider their biases) than others. There are also differences in how fact based people's biases are.

    Your username is interesting because at this point it seems to be counter to your current biases.

    “Everyone is biased. Some are more biased (or less willing to reconsider their biases) than others. There are also differences in how fact based people’s biases are.”

    I agree with this.

    “Your username is interesting because at this point it seems to be counter to your current biases.”

    Depends how you look at it. Kaplan and Winther identified three types of racial realism: Biogenomic/cluster racial realism (like Spencer and Hardimon), biological racial realism (like Jensen, Rushton, Lynn) and social racial realism (I think; like Dorothy Roberts). Though hereditarians have no definition of race that doesn’t just assume it’s existence: if I’m in error, please point me to one.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2019/11/06/hereditarian-reasoning-on-race/

  66. @LondonBob
    Indian gypsies are very crime prone, Pakistanis are often Mirpuris, Indians more selected otherwise.

    I am quite certain that the gypsies in the UK are not from India but rather from Eastern Europe. I do realise gypsies originate from Northern India but that migration happened around 1000 years ago.

    Most Pakistanis come from that one district in Kashmir, I believe they were imported here to work in the Northern mill towns as cheap labour.

    Indians in the UK are not as ‘elite’ as the ones in the US, I have also read many of them are not Brahmins like is the case in the US but rather ‘Patels’ (like the Home Secretary) who middle-tier.

    The crime rate for Indians is lower than White British but higher than Chinese.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ethnicity-facts-and-figures-indian-ethnic-group/indian-ethnic-group-facts-and-figures

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