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Then, unsurprisingly, Biden would win.

Recent IPSOS poll:

Here is how this compares to the 2016 figures.

Eyeballing, it looks like foreign perceptions of Trump have actually improved over the past four years, if from a low base. This goes against media rhetoric.

***

Although the RussiaGaters will doubtless focus on Russia’s figures, the reality is that Trump has been much better for Israel, and to a lesser extent Turkey and “New Europe”, than he has been for Russia.

This is also something that is clearly reflected in the polls.

While Russians do not appear any more enthusiastic about Trump now than in 2016 – 27% Trump vs. 13% for Biden now, as opposed to 28% Trump vs. 12% HRC in 2016 – and why should they be otherwise? this is not the case for those countries.

Turkish support for Trump has soared from just 13% in 2016 (vs. 57% for HRC) to 27% now, with Biden only narrowly beating Trump out. This is despite S-400 related spats and Trump’s comments on Islam.

Poland’s support has increased from 17% in 2016 (vs. 46% for HRC) to 27% now, with Trump level pegging with Biden. Ironically, the US election, if held in Poland, might well be as close as it would be in the US itself.

Unfortunately, Israel is not in this particular poll. However, there is data from other polls on the Internet. In October 2016, for instance, 42% of Israelis preferred HRC to just 24% who prefered Trump. But in the wake of everything that Trump has done for Israel, some 63% of Israelis now support Trump vs. just 19% who would opt for Biden. That latter figure happens to be about equal to the population of Israeli Muslims.

By nefariously electing Trump into power, who has done more for Israel than any other US President and enjoys correspondingly sky-high support from Israelis – a sea change from the state of affairs four years ago – can Putler be considered “King of the Jews”?

 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Donald Trump, Israel, Jews, Russiagate, US Elections 2020 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

  2. The Trump administration is considering declaring that several prominent international NGOs — including Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and Oxfam — are anti-Semitic and that governments should not support them.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/21/state-department-weighs-labeling-several-prominent-human-rights-groups-anti-semitic-430882

  3. It’s not the World. They mostly polled countries in US sphere of influence, where “mainstream” Western narrative dominates.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  4. Japan, South Korea and Malaysia stand out to me. These are countries where people aren’t particularly engaged in western domestic politics. Biden having such a big lead there seems unlikely. Is the sampling really representative?


  5. [MORE]

    Trump’s Indian worshipper dies ‘depressed’ over president’s COVID-19 illness

    An Indian man who worshipped Donald Trump and was upset by the news of the U.S. president contracting COVID-19 died of a cardiac arrest on Sunday, an official from his village and police said.

    Bussa Krishna, who had said his devotion for Trump began more than four years ago when the leader appeared to him in a dream, had days ago posted a tearful video on his Facebook page wishing for his idol’s recovery from the viral disease that has killed more than 1 million people worldwide.

    Trump revealed on Oct. 2 that he had tested positive for COVID-19 and spent three nights in the hospital for treatment. He said on Sunday he had fully recovered and was due to resume campaigning on Monday ahead of the Nov. 3 U.S. election.

    Venkat Goud, the head of Krishna’s native Konney village and a close friend, said he was “depressed” that Trump and his wife Melania had got the disease.

    “It’s sad that he passed away without meeting his hero,” Goud told Reuters by phone. “He had tried so hard to meet him” when Trump had come to India in February.

    Raghupathi, a local police officer, said Krishna had left the village over two weeks ago to meet his parents in another part of the same southern state of Telangana.

    “It is there that he passed away due to a cardiac arrest,” Raghupathi, who goes by one name, said.

    Reuters could not immediately contact Krishna’s family members or the hospital where he was taken to. Local media said Krishna was in his late thirties.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  6. @Felix Keverich

    Actually in this particular case it obviously is. Biden is eking out a win in India (albeit narrowly), he would almost certainly smash Trump in China, and what polls exist suggest he will dominate in most of Africa, the Middle East, and Latin America. Where is Trump dominant? Israel, Russia, Taiwan, maybe Hong Kong spring to mind, that’s pretty much it.

  7. @Shortsword

    Much of what the world hears about US politics is filtered through the Anglo media, so what exactly is surprising about this?

  8. @Anatoly Karlin

    Where is Trump dominant? Israel, Russia, Taiwan, maybe Hong Kong spring to mind, that’s pretty much it.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  9. Most British people (insofar as they think about it at all) have the same opinions about American politics that liberal, coastal Americans do.
    If you are ever unlucky enough to have the topic come up, you will hear the same complaints about guns, the healthcare system and how evangelicals are on the verge of establishing a theocracy.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  10. @Blinky Bill

    Part of his new hispanic coalition

  11. @Anatoly Karlin

    I would have expected higher “don’t know”/”don’t care” numbers, comparable to Russia at least.

    • Replies: @Chrisnonymous
  12. Well, if Sweden is all for the corrupt senile walking dead, I am glad I voted for Trump (even though I am not a fan of his).

  13. Sweden being Sweden I see.

    I wonder why Mexicans don’t like him though

    🤔

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Mr. XYZ
  14. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Well, Mexicans disliked Trump for entirely valid reasons (for Mexicans). Since then, as reality fell short of rhetoric, they adjusted accordingly.

    (As opposed to say Swedes, whose TDS is more religious in nature).

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    , @A123
    , @Pericles
  15. mal says:

    Prefer Not To Answer = Shy Trump Voter?

    Turkey, Russia, Brazil, Mexico, Malaysia, i can see them having Shy Trump Voters.

    But what about Peru? US has been staging coups in Bolivia recently, but I don’t know much about Peru.

    Peruvians be like “if we don’t answer, maybe they won’t coup us?”

    • Replies: @Tor597
  16. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    he would almost certainly smash Biden in China,

    You mean “he would almost certainly smash *Trump* in China,” no?

    AK: Yes

  17. Mr. XYZ says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Off-topic, but whom did Russia prefer in pre-2016 US presidential elections? As in, in 2012 and earlier? I’m assuming the Democrats but I’m unsure.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  18. Mr. XYZ says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Trump’s idea of appealing to Hispanics: Trump eating a taco bowl and tweeting “I Love Hispanics!”

    • Replies: @A123
  19. @Mr. XYZ

    Correct. Obama was clearly preferred in 2008 and 2012, and Kerry was clearly preferred in 2004. Don’t know about 2000 or earlier.

  20. Beckow says:

    A leader who is popular abroad is not a leader for his country. Trump should aim for close to zero among the Third World refuse (“‘moving to US as soon as we can“) and euro-liberal-trash. Trump’s high support in India is a sign that he lied, not good.

    And Sweden. Just when I started to see their rational side with their gold-level corona performance, well, the retarded old ladies who want to embrace the world are back – probably because nobody ever embraces them.

    • Agree: Almost Missouri
  21. A123 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Well, Mexicans disliked Trump for entirely valid reasons (for Mexicans). Since then, as reality fell short of rhetoric, they adjusted accordingly.

    A much larger factor was Trump’s “Stay in Mexico” policy for asylum fraudsters.

    After the Mexican people experienced long term exposure to uncivilized Central and South American faux refugees they realized that:

    — Trump’s actions matched his rhetoric.
    — He was 100% correct about undesirable, illegal immigration.

    Mexico is now looking to copy Trump’s successes. AMLO is preventing caravans of illegals from crossing into Mexico at his southern border. And, to give credit where it is due… AMLO is succeeding at protecting his citizens.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  22. A123 says:
    @Mr. XYZ

    Biden’s idea of appealing to Hispanics: (1)

    Joe Biden continued his gaffe-filled and confusing campaign in Florida Tuesday; bizarrely using his cell phone to play the song ‘Despacito’ which ironically translates to “Slowly” in Spanish.

    Joe Biden is an impressive candidate. It takes real effort and skill to be *more offensive* than Trump’s brash NYC delivery.

    Then the Georgia DNC speaks…. We know that the Democrats are trying to drive out whites. Apparently they are also trying to drive out hispanics.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://hannity.com/media-room/cant-make-this-up-biden-plays-despacito-on-his-phone-at-hispanic-rally-means-slowly-in-spanish/
     

  23. songbird says:

    Probably why globalism appeals to some people in the US.

    Imagine if all the world outside the US was composed of anti-tax libertarians. The immigration policy of the US would give the Hermit Kingdom a run for its money.

  24. @Shortsword

    Trump’s trade policies were adversely affecting Japanese business in China even before COVID.

  25. @Shortsword

    Malaysians turned Democrat when Obamma (Malaysian step father) was elected. He even spoke a few words of Bahasa. Malaysians are also quite aspirational. That means being Liberal.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  26. One thing I’ve noticed about white Western Europeans: they have strong opinions on the U.S. and actually think they’re well-informed about it. Then I hear them saying things like “the US poor are routinely denied medical coverage because they can’t pay and die of things like tooth infections.” They actually believe stuff like that.

    These know-it-alls, emboldened by their own conceit and arrogance in thinking they know all about the U.S., would naturally be loath to admit they really don’t know much and would have no preference for President. By contrast, the Japanese (said to have the world’s highest IQ) are much more humble, and their “don’t know” rates reflect that.

    • Agree: Radicalcenter
    • Troll: Yevardian
    • Replies: @joe2.5
  27. @Philip Owen

    Correction: his stepfather was Indonesian, not Malaysian. Bahasa is a common language of the majority of population in Malaysia and Indonesia.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  28. Tor597 says:
    @mal

    Trump cucks always looking for the conspiracy theory on why Trump is not more popular.

    • Agree: Peter Akuleyev
  29. @Beckow

    And Sweden. Just when I started to see their rational side with their gold-level corona performance

    Sweden’s corona performance may not have been all it’s cracked up to be. There was a Swedish guy on Gab (I think—can’t find it now) saying the Swedish government didn’t actually want to be so aloof about the virus. It was just that because they have foolishly ceded parts of the country to hostile foreigners and those areas are now no-go zones for Swedes, the government knew it wouldn’t be able to enforce quarantines in those parts of the country and the failure would expose their incompetence and venality. So the government chose to make a virtue out of necessity and pretend to take an enlightened view of pandemics rather than to risk the embarrassment of confronting the hostile minorities they have imported.

    • Replies: @128
    , @Beckow
  30. joe2.5 says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Why, when was there ever any doubt that the “British” US Territory Without A Vote is anything but Little America?

  31. joe2.5 says:
    @Bragadocious

    Agreed, “Western Europeans have strong opinions on the U.S. and actually think they’re well-informed about it” when in fact they have no friggin idea.

    On the other hand, “the US poor are routinely denied medical coverage because they can’t pay and die of things like tooth infections.” is a statement of fact — somewhat camouflaged when one looks at it without glasses, but a hard fact.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  32. @Anatoly Karlin

    It’s the opposite. Japanese and South Koreans don’t get the steady stream of Western Murdoch/Conrad Black propaganda that tries to portray Trump as a “successful businessman” and mostly ignores his corruption and incompetence. The Japanese also find Trump physically repellent- he is like a male geisha, all dolled up and bewigged.

  33. @Anatoly Karlin

    Biden is eking out a win in India (albeit narrowly)

    LMAO please Trump will win India in an epic landslide, the people polled are obviously highly educated English speaking Liberals who by dominating the media gives the illusion that they are a huge demographic in India, I assure you they are not actually they are quite tiny and even they are split.

    Trump loathes Muslims and the average Indian (Hindu) loves him for that and to top that he is seriously hammering China and now the average Indian hero worships him, that product of morganitic miscegenation Kamala Harris won’t even carry her ancestral state of Tamil Nadu as no self respecting Hindu will accept a Brahmin Negro(Sudras of the world) product.

    If China is the California of the world(Solid Blue), India is the Texas (Total Trumpland).

    • Agree: sher singh, Yevardian
  34. Pericles says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    (As opposed to say Swedes, whose TDS is more religious in nature).

    We basically take our orders from The Economist and the New York Times, peace be upon them.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  35. @joe2.5

    Our political discourse (although not substance) is still quite different to America’s, although becoming closer

  36. @joe2.5

    “statement of fact”

    Is it?

  37. A123 says:
    @Blinky Bill

    Clearly something horrifically wrong with the underlying data.

    The DNC has become vastly more anti-liberty.
    — Their authoritarian Stormtroopers are burning cities.
    — The Democrats have a Nixon-style enemies list and use the FBI to investigated them on false grounds.

    And the DNC-GOP have flipped on Economics.
    — The GOP has pro-worker positions on immigration.
    — The GOP has pro-worker positions on trade.
    — The DNC embraces the anti-worker U.S. Chamber of Commerce as an ally.

    PEACE 😇

  38. 128 says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Armed soldiers patrolling the streets can make a lot of things happen, you know that right?

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  39. A Texan says:

    Who cares what the ‘Inferior-peons’ think? They seem to like weak and effeminate leaders or outright sexually repulsive women for leadership.

  40. @Pericles

    We basically take our orders from The Economist and the New York Times, peace be upon them.

    “May they rot in Hell” would be more appropriate.

  41. United States of the World? Many people proposed this before.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Woodhull

    https://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/woodhull/constitution/constitution.html

    CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF THE WORLD

    We, the people of the United States – a National Union – and of the several States as its component parts, proceeding upon the Natural Right inherent in humanity, and in order to secure a perfect and enduring Union; to establish equality as a birth-right; to administer common justice; to secure peace, tranquillity and prosperity; to provide for the common defense; to promote the general welfare; to secure the blessings of freedom, and protection for the exercise of individual capacities to ourselves and our posterity; and to erect a government which shall be the center around which the nations may aggregate, until ours shall become a Universal Republic, do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of the World; which shall be the Supreme Law wherever it shall have, or acquire, jurisdiction.

    … and still do.

    The Federal Government should give up trying to be the head of “the nation” and instead become the central supranational government of a world union of states. The Constitution gives Congress the power to admit new states. States worldwide should apply for admission to the American union in order to guarantee for themselves economic development and a democratic government. The United States of America should become The United States of the World in order to secure by a strong central government and a written constitution the right of its peoples to be citizens in any democratic state of their union where they choose to reside.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @songbird
  42. @another anon

    The United States of America should become The United States of the World

    That would be the most effective way of preventing others from laughing out loud when the US gets corrupt senile walking dead for “president”. Or at least it would limit inevitable guffaws to non-vassals, like China, Russia, Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, etc.

  43. songbird says:
    @another anon

    Union Now by Clarence Streit (first published 1939, later updated significantly against communism) was a popular book in some circles. Orwell wrote a (as often) rather (at least in hindsight) short-sided and inept criticism of it entitled “Not Counting Niggers:”

    [O]ne begins to see what would really be happening if Mr Streit’s scheme were put into operation. The British and French empires, with their six hundred million disenfranchised human beings, would simply be receiving fresh police forces; the huge strength of the USA would be behind the robbery of India and Africa. Mr Streit is letting cats out of bags, but all phrases like ‘Peace Bloc’, ‘Peace Front’, etc contain some such implication; all imply a tightening-up of the existing structure.

  44. Dumbo says:

    This is just because America (unfortunately) exports its culture and its news and its celebrities all over the world.

    Imagine if someone were to ask people in other countries who they think should be the presidents or leaders in France, Germany, Italy, Japan or Brazil. The question would be deemed absurd, or people would have no idea of who the candidates were anyway. But because it’s the U.S., everybody everywhere has to have an opinion, even if they have no idea about America besides what they see in Hollywood and Netflix.

    Meanwhile the COVID farce goes on, mandatory masks and new lockdowns. Welcome to 1984. What a joke! The West has become a sick joke.

    • Replies: @another anon
  45. @Dumbo

    Imagine if someone were to ask people in other countries who they think should be the presidents or leaders in France, Germany, Italy, Japan or Brazil.

    No one cares about these countries, but the clown in chief sitting in the big clown house is, whether you want it or not, one of the most powerful people of the world.

    His domestic power is very limited, but worldwide, he could sanction, blockade, bomb or invade any country he wants, he can kill anyone around the world he wishes (excluding US citizens on US territory). This forces everyone to care.

    If CCP made selection of the general secretary into similar big circus show, you will see people all over the world arguing whether Wang or Chang would be better Supreme Leader.
    The show does not have to be “democratic” – the world is wildly speculating who is “papabile” whenever there is conclave that elects Pope, despite zero popular influence on the outcome.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  46. Beckow says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Sometimes we do right thing for wrong reason. I still give Sweden credit for staying relatively normal when others are losing their minds. Some of these petty feverish mini-Napoleons running around Europe need to sober up. Hysteria should be left to elder women and we have enough of them “running things” already. No need for “men” taking on that personality.

  47. @128

    Armed soldiers could make a lot of things happen even before the panicdemic, yet that never happened, right?

    Why not?

    Scandinavian leftists’ fundamental programming is never to coerce POCs. They will even give up their country to avoid this.

    Does that sound like an evolutionary dead end? It probably is. It’s just too bad a nice country had to disappear with it.

    • Replies: @songbird
  48. Yevardian says:
    @Beckow

    I think Trump’s support in India is mainly due to his anti-Islam rhetoric, and 3rd-worlders love blustering showmen.

    One thing I’ve noticed about white Western Europeans: they have strong opinions on the U.S. and actually think they’re well-informed about it.

    Well, considering their media is almost entirely US-dominated and controlled, that’s rather inevitable. Even accounting for media dishonesty and spin, I’m certain they’re far better informed about the US than Americans are about any foreign country. Japanese are just notoriously insular and probably genuinely disinterested.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    , @Wyatt
  49. @joe2.5

    I find it odd when people say the UK is “little America”, etc. The UK is a typical Western European country, the level of Americanisation here is not really out of proportion to the rest of Western Europe and I don’t say that as a good or bad thing, but as an observation.

    Actually, considering the historical links and shared language, I’m surprised that this country is not far more Americanised than it is. Language aside (and even that can be very different to what Americans are used to), I don’t think most Americans would instantly feel any more at home in Britain than they would in France or Germany.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  50. Yevardian says:
    @A123

    Well, those countries were always quite dysfunctional, but the US has had a large hand in destroying the society of those countries for decades, especially in violently promoting economic policies often beloved by the most hardline anti-immigrant voters in the US, it’s rather ironic.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  51. I was reading a book which came out recently by a Labour polling woman who did hundreds of focus groups for them with the Northern working class to try and work out why they lost.

    She says that when asked to come up with a slogan, the most common response was ‘Make Britain Great Again’.

  52. @Yevardian

    beloved by the most hardline anti-immigrant voters

    I doubt that the average seventy year old retired coal miner in West Virginia or farmer in North Dakota cares one way or the other about the privatisation of Latin American water companies.

  53. @Europe Europa

    considering the historical links and shared language

    As one of my colleagues rightly said, US and UK are two countries divided by the same language.

  54. songbird says:
    @Almost Missouri

    Scandinavian leftists’ fundamental programming is never to coerce POCs.

    Seems to be more of a universal truth, or at least pretty universal to Western Europe, probably most of Europe, under the right economic conditions.

    Social trust is not something that just happens – it cannot be created artificially. It can’t even be created by posting soldiers on street corners. Maybe, certain behaviors could be instilled, if a few people were shot, but they understand that things would start to unwind at that point.

    Does that sound like an evolutionary dead end? It probably is. It’s just too bad a nice country had to disappear with it.

    I advocate giving Swedes a helping hand. Within Sweden, there are surely many natives who oppose what is happening. Their main deficiency might be that they are unable to congregate and segregate themselves, in such a way as to prevent betrayal and maintain their own culture and territory. Poz-resistant, high fertility Swedes could be encouraged to breed and keep the country from being taken over by non-Europeans. If necessary, genetically augmented-Swedes could be made, just like new strains of American Elm, or they could be back-bred with more resistant ethnicities, while retaining as many original traits as is possible.

    • Replies: @128
  55. Dumbo says:
    @another anon

    No one cares about these countries, but the clown in chief sitting in the big clown house is, whether you want it or not, one of the most powerful people of the world.

    Just another clown puppet.

    His domestic power is very limited, but worldwide, he could sanction, blockade, bomb or invade any country he wants, he can kill anyone around the world he wishes (excluding US citizens on US territory).

    Actually, American governments have many times killed US citizens in US territory (i.e. Waco siege).

    But I don’t think they can “bomb or invade” any country, just weak ones. No bombing of China.

    • Replies: @another anon
  56. Dumbo says:

    I think Trump will be reelected because he is more useful to the system as an “antagonist” (even if not really).

    He won’t do anything (as he hasn’t done anything) except twitting and posturing against immigration, against the Covid farce, or against the BLM riots. But everything will continue pretty much as before. The NWO marches onward!

  57. @Dumbo

    Actually, American governments have many times killed US citizens in US territory (i.e. Waco siege).

    Not the same thing, the wacos in Waco were shooting at US forces.
    Trump cannot put Biden at terrorist list and send a drone to kill him (at least I hope so), but outside the US, he can kill anyone, even heads of states.

    We all know, there is even explicit law against assasinations of foreign leaders, but why should Donald or anyone else care.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/president-trump-can-tweet-about-world-leaders-but-he-cant-assassinate-them

    I think Trump will be reelected because he is more useful to the system as an “antagonist” (even if not really).

    He won’t do anything (as he hasn’t done anything) except twitting and posturing against immigration, against the Covid farce, or against the BLM riots. But everything will continue pretty much as before. The NWO marches onward!

    Do you think everything is going according to someone’s plan, that everything is perfectly controlled by “them” whoever “they” are?
    I do not see any master world conspiracy, but many conspiracies working against each other with results indistinguishable from pure chaos.

    Anyway, regardless who wins, it will be fun to see libtards or magatards completely melting down. If only both could lose 🙂

  58. @Yevardian

    I’m certain they’re far better informed about the US than Americans are about any foreign country.

    The difference is that Americans don’t say things like “I deserve a vote in xx country because you guys impact my life.”

    I’ve heard Canadians, Brits and Australians say this about American elections. I imagine the Germans say it too. Here’s another idea. You don’t like U.S. leadership, pull the fuck out of NATO and ANZUS. You will be freed from the kraken you hate so much. And you won’t be missed.

    Hearing this chutzpah from NATO deadbeats like Canuckistan is just remarkable.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    , @Not Raul
  59. Wyatt says:
    @Yevardian

    One thing I’ve noticed about white Western Europeans: they have strong opinions on the U.S. and actually think they’re well-informed about it.

    They’re always wrong. Like, always wrong. All of the Europeans whom I’ve asked about this, I ask them if they know about PNAC, where the bulk of Wall Street money goes in politics, and where the most violent cities in America are and who dominates them demographically.

    Crickets. Especially with the British, western Europeans are some of the most ill-informed shitheads concerning American politics you can deal with. I am convinced that I could have a more rational, informed conversation with an Arab, an Indian or even a dark as night African than I could with a western European. There’s something about whites with a degree of comfort and stability that makes them so confident in their own ignorance and completely impenetrable to reality. I’ve yet to meet an asian or a hispanic (even a black guy!) whom I couldn’t get to doubt their own beliefs when presented with just the right amount of information.

    But not white libs and western Europeans. They can be told just how many people their beliefs have gotten killed and they will still insist that they’re right. They’re just such vile people. I can no longer bring myself to be concerned when one of them gets durka’d in the streets. May the slavs one day rule the husks of their once lovely countries.

    • Thanks: Bragadocious
  60. @Wyatt

    It’s not their whiteness that is the problem, the problem is that Gnosticism is the official and traditional religion of Western Europe. Gnosticism is founded on violent denial of reality, so their behavior isn’t surprising in the least.

  61. Yevardian says:
    @Bragadocious

    The attitude is perfectly understandable considering most European politicians are to lesser or greater degrees US puppets.

    Yes, I’m sure Canada, Australia, Romania or Bulgaria (far more civilised countries than America in every respect, btw) can freely pull out of NATO or ANZUS whenever they like, the US has never been known to be vindictive. Turkey’s actions over the past decade have shown the stabilising or restraining value of the organisation to have now become worthless anyway.

    It’s rather astounding from a long-term historical perspective to see how brief US hegemony really was, considering they were given so many fluke advantages over the entire world, practically unprecedented in history, and still managed to screw it all up within 70 years.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  62. @Yevardian

    Yes, I’m sure Canada, Australia, Romania or Bulgaria (far more civilised countries than America in every respect, btw

    Weird, coming from an Armenian, or someone with an Armenian handle. The U.S. has a huge Armenian diaspora. I should know, they were out in force last week waving their flags and stopping traffic with their BLM bullshit. (Their relatives in France are also beating up Azeri randos. So brave!) They should definitely leave this uncivilized country. I’ll chip in for their flight out.

  63. 128 says:
    @songbird

    Huh? China is a relatively low trust society even by central European standards. Posting soldiers on street corners resulted in significant behavioral changes as seen in Wuhan.

    • LOL: Blinky Bill
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  64. songbird says:
    @128

    What do you mean by Central Europe? The core of Central Europe is Germany. Stereotypically, Germans are Europe’s most famous rule-followers. It’s been remarked on for well over a 100 years, how they obey signs to keep off the grass and don’t jaywalk, etc.

  65. Not Raul says:
    @Bragadocious

    Canadians aren’t dead beats. NATO no longer serves to defend the independence of Canada. Why should Canadians waste even more blood and money in the Middle East? What do they get out of it?

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  66. @Not Raul

    Then leave. But you won’t will you.

    And Canada only pays half what it should so that spells deadbeat.

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