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There has been a large leak of documents from the Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office (FCDO) showing that the UK is sponsoring and providing editorial guidance to anti-Kremlin journalists, media organizations, and YouTubers as part of a £100 million plan to “tackle Kremlin disinformation” during 2018-22.

Their aim, forthrightly stated, is to “[weaken] the Russian state” (sic).

You can read Kit Klarenberg article for RT here, or the Twitter summary by RT’s Bryan MacDonald:

This involved “weekly mentoring sessions with specialists from the outlets”, “adjusting their editorial and commercial strategy accordingly” and creating “common framings of issues” with “two of Russia’s leading independent media outlets – Meduza and MediaZona.

This is in addition to their public financing from Khodorkovsky’s organization. I also I wrote about Meduza’s English-language editor Kevin Rothrock’s possible ties to American intelligence back in 2019.

This involves a forthright acknowledgement that efforts are to be focused on youth. As another contractor put it, Baltic Russian youngsters would serve as “agents of change” and “influence their parents’ and grandparents’ generations and amplify a distinct ‘Euro-Baltic’ identity.

That this programming was to be explicitly anti-Moscow in character is starkly underlined by a section on “creating narrative games which encourage participation through social media and mobile platforms.

Meduza is a leading proponent of these games which, for the most part, embrace political themes (e.g. Putin Bingo, ‘help Putin get to his meeting with the Pope on time’ and ‘help the Orthodox priest get to his church without succumbing to earthly pleasures’),” Albany notes. These “satirical games” would make the “valid point” that “the offer of a fairer, respectful and caring society is better than that of an arrogant, nationalistic regime.

Even as the UK finances smears against the Russian Orthodox Church, it’s worth pointing out that Latvia has recently banned most Russian media from the country (including RT) during the past year.

Amusingly, this is sometimes complicated by the acknowledgement that Russian “disinformation” is sometimes true:

“Another barrier to combating disinformation is the fact that certain Kremlin-backed narratives are factually true. For example, the Serbian organisation European Western Balkans noted that one of the country’s most prominent pro-Kremlin narratives relates to Russia’s ongoing support for Belgrade in the Kosovo dispute which is true. Responding to inconvenient truths, as opposed to pure propaganda, is naturally more problematic.”

Meanwhile, in Russia, they help anti-Kremlin influencers to skirt the “foreign agents” law on receiving international payments and to “develop editorial strategies to deliver key messages.

All in all, this all suggests that the UK is involved in a large-scale propaganda (“misinformation” and “foreign meddling”, to use currently popular terms) against the Russian government while it in turns massively projects on the Russian government (mandatory reminder that Russiagate started off as a British intelligence operation).

This also puts the revelations from three weeks ago that the director of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Fund Vladimir Ashurkov with MI6 agent James Ford in London in 2012, in which he beseeched him for money and dirt on figures within the Russian government, in an intriguing new light. While Ford himself may have been unenthusiastic, it is quite imaginable that there were subsequent meetings, with better opsec, under which the parameters of the current GCHQ/MI6 –> Bellingcat –> Meduza/MediaZona/@navalny information-propaganda model were established.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

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  2. It is my sincere hope that someday the current iteration of Russia prospers sufficiently to invade the Anglo peoples upon their next slight against them, plant their flag like the Soviets on the Reichstag did on top of Westminster, and boot out their pedophilic monarchy and rape their profoundly ugly women into submission.

    In the meantime I appreciate the fact that the collapsing British-Zio-Occupied Government needs to throw all their imperial-accrued funny money at failed enterprises like this in lieu of the betterment of their own people, that snaggle-toothed mass who slovenly accepted and internalized every Jew flex on them, much like the USA.

    • Agree: Svevlad
    • Troll: Excal
  3. Should be noted that these gay psyops are not exclusive to Russia
    There are “centers for combating online Russian disinformation” in Slovenia, Croatia and Montenegro

    Their bots are everywhere on Serbian Twitter spreading disinfo against the Serbian Orthodox Church and amplifying guilt narratives over the Srebrenica massacre and even creating fictional ones about medieval mass enslavement of gypsies (since we’re cut off from Atlantic Slave trade white guilt), and ofcourse attacking Russia and China
    They’re currently embroiled in a war with the online bots of the leading party, which is funny to observe

    I’m 100% sure these exist in other European countries, this probably had a role in the genesis of the Polish wokesturm youth that lead those mass protests against the Abortion ban, and will likely soon be used to push gay marriage into law

    Good news is that they’re failing, at least here, can’t speak for any other Euro country though

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  4. songbird says:

    I wonder whether they have a specific budget for fighting identitarianism. Or maybe, it is off the books? I believe that they do offer financial incentives for the depiction of diversity in movies, video games, etc.

  5. Death says:

    This involves a forthright acknowledgement that efforts are to be focused on youth. As another contractor put it, Baltic Russian youngsters would serve as “agents of change” and “influence their parents’ and grandparents’ generations and amplify a distinct ‘Euro-Baltic’ identity.”

    As a Russian youngster from Tallinn, Estonia, I can confirm that this has been successful. Russian identity among young people with >100IQ and/or trendy and hip is quite undermined due to perceiving Russia as a regressive, corrupt, brutal and poor land of orcs. This possibly could have been achieved even without any foreign propaganda, due to simple social status dynamics. However, since there is no alternative identity being offered, the things only went so far as to undermining the current one.

  6. The Institute for Statecraft and its offshoot the Integrity Initiative received #2m to develop messages to conter Russian disinformation under somewhat dubious circumstances. They were compromised when their websites were hacked by persons unknown. The funding was from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office so was intended for use abroad. Presumably Russia.

    The IS and II are just part of the iceberg above the water line as you show. In the last couple of years, a certain uniformity has developed in the British media on a number of issues. In 2010, the producers of BBC News were replaced completely by former Tory Special Political ADvisors (SPADS). More recently a donor of #400k to the Tories at the last election has been appointed to the chair. One can imagine the government view on the main stories of the day being sought out by the BBC as well as the Redtops and Daily Telegraph. It is not just exceptionally on-message storylines about Russia since Skripal in the UK and abroad. It is also Brexit and the pandemic. Bad Brexit news and Princess Eugenie’s baby is suddenly national news as are Megan and Harry’s plans for a 2nd baby. As Andrew hasn’t been launched yet, there is worse to come. The irony is that the Right wing Tories who were so happy to be given a dissenting platform on RT when Cameron was in control are now the most vocally anti-Russian. Overcompensation?

    • Thanks: AltanBakshi
  7. And then:

    https://devtracker.fcdo.gov.uk/projects/GB-GOV-52-CSSF-05-000006

    The total programme is to cost #100m. Lithuania and the US chip in too. It is only natural. RT has made such an enormous contribution to British Democracy by boosting the middle part of Nigel Farage’s career and keeping Alex Salmond and George Galloway in the public eye. Surely the UK must do the same for such as Navalny.

  8. It’s not even as if Britain and Russia have conflicting strategic interests. Russia is not a threat to Britain.
    Apart from in general being Atlanticist/ZOG fanatics (which doesn’t explain why the British regime is in some ways more aggressive than the US)., I don’t know why they do this.

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Coconuts
  9. Beckow says:

    …pro-Kremlin narratives relates to Russia’s ongoing support for Belgrade in the Kosovo dispute which is true. Responding to inconvenient truths, as opposed to pure propaganda, is naturally more problematic.”

    The “inconvenient truth” is that West bombed Serbia to separate its Kosovo province. That Russia supports Serbia would not be a “problem” if that wasn’t true. It is the elephant in the room that West would prefer to forget. Because if West can bomb a country to force independence for its dissatisfied minority as in Kosovo, the same human right applies to Catalans, Scots, Kurds, Ossetians, Donbas, and definitely Crimea.

    The dimwits thinking that better propaganda can fix it are hopeless. It can’t. Propaganda can’t turn black into white, at most it can foggy up the issue. I thought the Brits were smarter, it looks like the same 110-125 IQ people are in charge as so often before. That never ends well and no amount of propaganda can fix it. Seems like the Western populations have made their choices, they will have to live with the consequences.

  10. joniel says:

    Isn’t this being used in the United States as well? A story about a GOP senator fleeing weather-related hardship for Mexico has completely wiped from the social/MS media the misdeeds of a Democrat governor, who is directly responsible for thousands of COVID deaths in his nursing homes. They need to punish all of Trump’s supporters.

    • Replies: @216
  11. @Beckow

    That never ends well and no amount of propaganda can fix it. Seems like the Western populations have made their choices, they will have to live with the consequences.

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  12. El Dato says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    The UK still hasn’t really accepted that they don’t have an overseas Empire anymore and that big dreadnoughts under the Union Jack aren’t plying the seas. So the are attackdogging where they can, namely in the general direction of Russia.

    Who would proclaim to world and dog on TV that their Navy is “shadowing Russian Navy warships in the channel”? Is this Ukraine? It’s like it’s starting to get to the end of the party but John Bull is really loud & red faced. And whole media sphere is so hollowed out and pliable that they are on board. Embarrassing.

    One also sometimes gets the feeling that the UK is the dumping ground for dubious/expensive military hardware and dubious/expensive military consultation services (hi BAE!) so they end up with dubious F-35 on two dubious aircraft carriers just at the moment where such systems are starting to look a tad obsolescent. They are also eager to please the American Bruiser, taking on gimp-tier missions bombing wandering AK-74 bros and various peasants with gusto. Even more embarrassing. I won’t even mention sell-out of sovereignity to US interests (extradition works only one way for example).

    • Replies: @216
  13. mal says:

    This involves a forthright acknowledgement that efforts are to be focused on youth. As another contractor put it, Baltic Russian youngsters would serve as “agents of change” and “influence their parents’ and grandparents’ generations and amplify a distinct ‘Euro-Baltic’ identity.”

    This is all very smart and all, but is there such a thing as “Baltic youngster”? Baltic TFR was around 1.2-1.3 twenty years ago, can’t be too many of them around.

    It strikes me as creating propaganda targeting dodo birds. “NATO has best bird food! All big birds love NATO!” Well sure, this sounds great and if dodo birds heard the message I’m sure they would be very receptive, but I doubt lots of new recruits would flock to the cause.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  14. “In other news… Russia is always bad”

  15. @Supply and Demand

    It is my sincere hope that someday the current iteration of Russia prospers sufficiently to invade the Anglo peoples upon their next slight against them, plant their flag like the Soviets on the Reichstag did on top of Westminster

    Idiots! Not only did they screw up killing the Skripals with Novichok but they measured the height of the wrong spire for the Russian flag planting! 🤦‍♂️

  16. Beckow says:
    @mal

    Dodo birds or not we are heading to a war. The usual prep is taking place without people thinking through how it will play out. But that’s the way we are.

    Wars happen because of bloodlust. There is no rationality, bloodlust simply grows until it has to find an outlet. Look at the famous picture of young Hitler in Munich among thousands of cheering young men at the beginning of WWI:

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-adolf-hitler-among-the-crowd-in-the-odeonplatz-munich-when-war-was-105323291.html

    We see the bloodlust everywhere, media is full of it. The question is where and how. ( We know ‘who’.) Look at history may help:

    – 20th century had two big wars: WWI happened because Habsburgs attempted to expand into the Balkans and because French wanted Alsase-Lorraine back. French won WWI.
    – WWII happened over what to do with the stranded German people in eastern Europe after Germany lost WWI. Russia won that one. (Beneficiaries as often, were actually other countries.)

    My guess is that the next ‘war‘ will be over what to with all the stranded people, mainly Russians, after the 1991 break-up of the Soviet Union. I don’t know who will win, but I do know that EU will be a big loser.

    • Replies: @Hugo Silva
  17. This is so predictable. They are doing it since the second half of the nineteenth century. Read about the British intelligence tactics in Tsarist Russia and Soviet Union, especially about British implication in 1905 and 1917, it’s the same scenario.

    As general Krasnov said in 1945, while he and his men were handed over by the British to the Soviets at Lienz: “Опять англичанка гадит…”

  18. 216 says: • Website
    @joniel

    The US Right has almost nil cultural power, so any of our misdeeds is amplified 100x as those on the left.

    What RW don’t get is that until we can weaken the Culture Industry, we have to cross every T and dot every I.

  19. 216 says: • Website
    @El Dato

    The UK still hasn’t really accepted that they don’t have an overseas Empire anymore and that big dreadnoughts under the Union Jack aren’t plying the seas. So the are attackdogging where they can, namely in the general direction of Russia.

    The UK still has the BBC, and London is third in cultural influence after NYC and LA.

    The US Right has nowhere near the cultural influence.

    • Agree: Not Only Wrathful
    • Replies: @g2k
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  20. This involves a forthright acknowledgement that efforts are to be focused on youth. As another contractor put it, Baltic Russian youngsters would serve as “agents of change” and “influence their parents’ and grandparents’ generations and amplify a distinct ‘Euro-Baltic’ identity.”

    Really makes you think

  21. @Death

    Estonia is a closed society with narrow concept of national identity, so even if these people renounce Putin, they will still be facing discrimination, because they are not “real” Estonians, which in Estonia makes them something less than human…

    So I’d expect this to breed resentment among Slavic population of Estonia, consequently strengthening their tribal identity, similar to other marginalized populations in Europe.

    There is simply no room for any new multicultural Euro-Baltic identity in Estonia, because “real” Estonians seem content with their tribal one.

    • Agree: Gerard-Mandela
    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
    , @Death
  22. The West is truly addicted to euphemism and other self-mystifications. The writing is obtuse.

    Meanwhile, shamefully, Russia has become merely an object for our hostile experiments. Who thought sponsoring internet games to propagandise to Russians was a valid use of British taxpayers’ money? Idiots…

  23. @Felix Keverich

    It’s the other way around. Estonians and other minor eastern European ethnic groups have always taken it for granted that someone who speaks fluent Estonian (or Latvian or…) is automatically Estonian because it was always true: the Germans, Swedes, Russians, Poles and other masters that took over these places never learned much of the local language.

    Thus they’ve asssumed that turning those ethnic Russians into Estonians would just be a matter of getting them to learn the language – maybe you need a bit of coercion to get there but after you’ve done it the problem would go away. They had no conception that people could speak fluent Estonian and still not be ethnic Estonians because such a thing had hardly ever happened in history and in their experience everyone who spoke Estonian identified culturally and ethnically with Estonians.

    So now they’re dealing with the problem that they have no idea how to deal with people who learn Estonian but still don’t identify with the Estonian historical experience. The solution seems to be to import Western poz as fast as possible so that Estonians get elevated in status over Russians because Estonians are more eager to wash the feet of black people, more eager to let their kids get transsexual surgeries and so on.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  24. @Karlin

    with the and creating

    I also I wrote about

    Typos. The first one makes the meaning somewhat unclear.

  25. @Korenchkin

    I’m pretty sure that it’s a thing in Hungary. Most Hungarian leftists won’t even see a problem with being financed by a foreign government or intelligence agency, as long as it’s a “democratic” government and intelligence agency, like the UK or the US. I presume it’s true everywhere. It’s pretty similar to how commies saw nothing wrong with being financed by the Soviets.

  26. @Death

    However, since there is no alternative identity being offered, the things only went so far as to undermining the current one.

    I beg to differ.

    Cold War 2.0 is not about ideology. It’s about survival based on self-sufficiency provided by strong technological and manufacturing base and availability of resources.

    Isn’t Russia the only country that operates 3 space ports. Isn’t Russia the only country that operates a fleet of more than 40 icebreakers. Isn’t Russia the world leader in applied nuclear energy industry. Isn’t Russia the only country, besides China, to come up with, not one or two, but three different vaccines for COVID-19. Finally, isn’t Russia the country with the most efficient (and potent) military.

    The alternate (Russian) identity is re-emerging in front of your eyes. It’s all over the Internet and YouTube for you to see. It’s just a matter of opening your eyes and seeing. No one can help, or make, you do that but you.

    If you think that smartphones, or Tesla and Facebook capitalizations will secure your survival, a very nasty surprises await you.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Death
  27. Isn’t Russia the only country that operates 3 space ports.

    Is there a good reason to have many space ports? Not a rhetorical question. Intuitively it seems inefficient to me.

    Finally, isn’t Russia the country with the most efficient (and potent) military.

    Not nearly as potent as US military. But definitely more efficient per dollar.

    Russia is pretty good at self reliance. I’d say that only China and United States are better off in this regard. But Russia is significantly behind in many technologies so don’t overdose on copium.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Mitleser
  28. g2k says:
    @216

    London, at the minute, might as well have been hit by a Neutron bomb. A place where it’s illegal to sit on a park bench or go on a date will not exert much cultural influence unless this situation ends very very quickly (It won’t). I suppose this, for anyone who’s dabbled in populism,is akin to being made to smoke the whole pack; we saved “R NHS”. This will take time to filter through in peoples’ minds though.

    • Replies: @216
  29. Mitleser says:
    @Shortsword

    Is there a good reason to have many space ports? Not a rhetorical question. Intuitively it seems inefficient to me.

    Ask China. The PRC simultaneously operates four space launch sites.

  30. @Supply and Demand

    “rape their profoundly ugly women into submission”

    Once again I bemoan the lack of a “Cretin” button.

    This imbecile should really try to grasp the concept that in most Western countries now, the interests and desires of the elites and the interests and desires of the ordinary people are not the same, in fact usually diametrically opposed.

    The fact that some (by no means a majority) of these ordinary Brits have succumbed to elite agitprop (or the sort now being turned on the Baltic states, Russia, Hungary etc) isn’t a reason to hate them.

  31. @216

    “The UK still has the BBC”

    This is on the main BBC Sports page for people with a UK IP address.

    And

    And

    It’s funny, but the BBC never seem to ask why there are so few BAME Nobel Science winners, or chess grandmasters.

  32. @Simpleguest

    Isn’t Russia the only country, besides China, to come up with, not one or two, but three different vaccines for COVID-19.

    The US also came up with at least three different vaccines.

    • Replies: @Simpleguest
  33. British government spends 100 mio € on combating Russia throug media influencers.

    How much money is spent to help the victims of Pakistani grooming gangs?

  34. @YetAnotherAnon

    Have you noticed that the BBC has gone from absurd demonisation of Trump to pumping out the most slavish bright new Biden propaganda? It has been so extreme

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  35. This also puts the revelations from three weeks ago that the director of Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Fund Vladimir Ashurkov with MI6 agent James Ford

    in London

    in 2012, in which he beseeched him for money and dirt on figures within the Russian government, in an intriguing new light.

    Джеймс Уильям Томас Форд заходит в ресторан в Москве. Бывший второй секретарь по политическим вопросам посольства в РФ. Обозначен как тайный агент MI6. Женат на Элизабет Гренберг, обозначенной как агент шведской разведки.

    За ним заходит представитель российской оппозиции Владимир Ашурков — правая рука Алексея Навального, исполнительный директор ФБК*. Сейчас проживает в Великобритании.

    James William Thomas Ford walks into a restaurant in Moscow . Former second secretary for political affairs of the embassy in the Russian Federation. Identified as secret agent MI6. Married to Elizabeth Grenberg, identified as a Swedish intelligence agent.

    He is followed by a representative of the Russian opposition, Vladimir Ashurkov, the right hand of Alexei Navalny, the executive director of FBK *. He currently lives in the UK.

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/827451-fsb-video-ashurkov

  36. @Not Only Wrathful

    Today BBC has clearly too much moneys to spend on completely idiotic foreign journalism.

    Here is one example: they found distant relatives of Alexey Navalny in Ukraine and went to the village where his father was born to take interviews. In this important (Sarc.) interview we can learn that grandparents of Navalny owned pigs and a cow…

    LOL.

    It’s a shame really because BBC once was the golden standard of international journalism and documentary films.

  37. @Beckow

    Vladimir Solovyov ( nonstop talking, funny guy, jew and ultra-zionist) was banned from entering Latvia for………… “glorifying Nazism”

    This is comedically stupid for several reasons :

    1. In absolutely no way at all if you watch the section of the show in which he talks about Hitler and Navalny, does he glorify Hitler when talking about their respective military records. These retards have taken it completely out of context or (more likely because no Russian speaker, Soviet citizen could have sanely misinterpreted what he said ) they have just followed some order from their western intelligence masters who have none or minimal knowledge of Russian. This becomes more probable when you think they could have just banned him for several years before for any number of critical comments about Latvian state and their Nazi loving.

    2. Its an obvious pitiful, childish and completely insincere attempt at outrage and attention that reinforces Latvia as a gutter nation. This is a country that glorifies its Nazi collaborationg fascist past

    3. As if this farce couldn’t get any dumber- the Latvian FM has done this ban exactly at the time they have banned the rossiya channel! He should not have been in any position to even watch the show!

  38. @Bashibuzuk

    His cousin is a local khokhol MP in Kiev region – she is on favour of all the restrictions on Russian language and all the other Banderetard stunts

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  39. @Another German Reader

    An even better question is how much is spent on domestic propaganda and psychological operations?

  40. @YetAnotherAnon

    Blacks and mental women, a perfect encapsulation of British culture today

  41. @Gerard.Gerard

    Perfect summary of the whole psychodrame.

    • LOL: Shortsword
    • Replies: @Shortsword
  42. @Bashibuzuk

    What’s the source of that last Navalny clip? Powerful mentally deranged vibes.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  43. Isn’t Russia the only country that operates 3 space ports. Isn’t Russia the only country that operates a fleet of more than 40 icebreakers. Isn’t Russia the world leader in applied nuclear energy industry. Isn’t Russia the only country, besides China, to come up with, not one or two, but three different vaccines for COVID-19.

    Echoing many other comments, how many “spaceports” you operate is a pretty silly metric. You need to spread out your launch pads so the occasional disaster at one doesn’t mess up others, you need to be able to safely launch east and north or south, you need transportation for big objects from factories to the ports, I think that pretty much covers it. Icebreakers are cool and very useful where needed, but Panama for example doesn’t care about them. Would like more details on “world leader in applied nuclear energy,” but I could well believe that, the West and Japan have massively screwed up their efforts (Japan should have never tried, does not have the right sort of culture to operate them, but many their manufacturing is OK, but it bankrupted Toshibi).

    For vaccines (cracks knuckles) Russia has an extremely bad set of policies where a vaccine gets “registration” based only on Phase I and II trials, which their politicians use to crow about them.

    This means almost nothing except that they didn’t fail early like Sanofi/GSK, what matters in the end is Phase III trial results, and only Gamaleya (Sputnik-V) has delivered the goods there in what appears to me to be a pretty close to US FDA strength trial, especially in safety (clever 3:1 ratio of vaccine and placebo, and enough of the former).

    That two other vaccines have been “registered” doesn’t mean they’re “safe and effective,” although the second and unique peptide EpiVacCorona vaccine from their Vector Institute/Vektor Centre per government.ru is getting close to those milestones if not already there, and per Wikipedia their Phase III trial is shooting for 40,000 subjects, definitely FDA strength. But CoviVac, an inactivated whole virus vaccine, is not as far along as far as I can tell without really digging, and I sure hope the Wikipedia editor accidentally dropped a zero when he listed its Phase III trial as enrolling only 3,000 subjects, that’s just not enough.

    Russia should also limit its crowing about vaccines until it can get them manufactured at greater scales, even with very good Phase III results like Gamaleya’s it makes only so much difference if you have a very limited number of doses to administer. Gamaleya/Russia are at least being smart in setting up many partnerships to manufacture the vaccine, including some for export, including back to Russia.

  44. @Shortsword

    Alexander Kaminsky’s LJ blog

    https://a-kaminsky.livejournal.com/69697.html

    [MORE]

    Writes a lot of very powerful stuff.

    He has made an exceptional analysis of the 1905 revolution.

    https://a-kaminsky.livejournal.com/55923.html

    Also his series about the 1912 Lena goldmines massacre is very good.

    https://a-kaminsky.livejournal.com/60932.html

    About Navalny he has written the following:

    https://a-kaminsky.livejournal.com/66676.html

    BTW, he has also written about Ukraine and specifically Zelensky:

    https://a-kaminsky.livejournal.com/68559.html

  45. Aedib says:

    If all this is true, then UK has not done a great job. Lots of money burned and Russians laughing on Western propaganda.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  46. Lot says:
    @Supply and Demand

    SD seems to be a native English speaker and probably English.

    Are people who wish the destruction of their ancient government by violent invasion naturally kooks?

    I think so.

    So much of AK’s content is pointing this out among Russians who hate the Russian state and wish for a foreign-instigated color revolution. But he misses equivalent Western examples right under his nose!

  47. Beckow says:
    @Aedib

    Burning money is what they do, no big loss.

    But the propaganda is primarily aimed at their own, at the Western audiences, at the poor Englishmen to forget that Pakis are taking them apart and violating their women, so they feel great about how much better they are than those evil Russkies. In that, it has worked. I am not sure they know what to do with the accomplishment.

    Propaganda is never meant for the outsiders, it doesn’t work that way. You also can’t make money on propaganda, it’s a bad business model. See the media money problems recently, I suspect Hollywood will be next.

  48. @That Would Be Telling

    Would like more details on “world leader in applied nuclear energy


    Rosatom, Russia’s state-owned nuclear company, ranks first in the largest portfolio of new nuclear power plant construction projects: 3 NPP units in Russia and 35 NPP units, at different stages of development, in 12 countries. Rosatom also has 17% of the global nuclear fuel market. “Russia has no serious rivals in the export of nuclear technology.” – The Economist

    More reading:
    https://rosatom.ru/en/about-us/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosatom
    https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2018/08/07/russia-leads-the-world-at-nuclear-reactor-exports

    • Thanks: That Would Be Telling
  49. 216 says: • Website
    @g2k

    While it’s plausible to argue that London is declining in cultural influence, I don’t foresee that the financial power of the City will be displaced by an Asian market until mid-century. Nor does it seem that Oxbridge will be fall in stature, indeed they may be less partisan than the US universities.

    The UK has proven welcoming to Russian, Indian and other foreign oligarchs to set up residence, and now they want to give immigration to every HKer. Unless we start to see elities staying at home, I’m not prepared to call the goose cooked.

    For example, at one point Detroit Michigan was quite influential not just industrially, but also culturally. London has a long way to fall to hit Detroit levels, or even Chicago for that matter.

  50. Coconuts says:
    @Lot

    I don’t think he is, maybe American or of Irish descent?

  51. Death says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I don’t think there is any systemic discrimination going on in Estonia.

    Also, as noted by commenter Jaakko Raipala, Estonians tend to perceive identity rather based on loyalty (language and culture) than on ethnicity.

    Contrary to your expectations, the resentment among Russians in Estonia has been falling in the recent decades. This is mostly attributable to two reasons: 1) the most resentful people left for other EU countries or for Russia, and 2) younger generations are, however slowly, progressing towards integration.

    I agree that there is no room for a “Euro-Baltic” identity in Estonia, not because of the ethnic conflict, but because of it simply being too fake and making zero sense for anyone. You are also right that Estonians are content with their tribal identity, but the context in the article implied this was not targeted for them, it was for local Russians.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  52. unit472 says:

    As an former American Cold Warrior I have no idea what this Russo phobia is all about.OK Putin has been in office too long ( by Western standards) but other than backing Assad in Syria (Folks we are talking about Syria a non entity on the global stage) so what?

    Even if you believe America is controlled by Zionists Syria doesn’t matter. Its a divided shattered country unable to project power. Anyone who wants this POS territory is welcome to it. I do understand that Israel fears Iranian influence in the region but that influence manifests itself in the form of non state actors like Hezbollah and Hamas. Let Assad run Syria and he has no need to be an ally of Iran.

    Of much more import is a potential Russian/Chinese axis. Again this is not ideal for Russia but what choice does it have given US/EU hostility? Russia can’t go it alone against Europe or the US so China is its only other option. From the perspective of NATO it is better to have a neutral Russia than one allied with China so, for the life of me, I cannot see what the point is not giving Russia a few geopolitical indulgences like Crimea or Syria and a return to the G-7 ‘club’ in return for a genuine ‘reset’ in out relationships.

  53. @Lot

    Britain is being invaded by foreigners every day (thanks to Jews like you). Around a quarter of a population is already foreign, which dwarfs the Norman Conquest.

  54. Death says:
    @Simpleguest

    Isn’t Russia the only country that operates 3 space ports. Isn’t Russia the only country that operates a fleet of more than 40 icebreakers. Isn’t Russia the world leader in applied nuclear energy industry. Isn’t Russia the only country, besides China, to come up with, not one or two, but three different vaccines for COVID-19. Finally, isn’t Russia the country with the most efficient (and potent) military.

    Unfortunately, no one cares. What matters to people is material conditions of their everyday lives.

    You’re mentioning Russia, but you miss the important thing that Baltic Russians have never lived in Russia. They were born either in the respective states, or in the Soviet Union. Russia’s Russians themselves had to reinvent their identity after the dissolution of the SU, but the Baltic Russians never did, since they never belonged to Russia. They’re a child disowned so young he never knew who his parents are. There’s this sense of disorientation and indifference in the air with regards to identity of those people.

    You seem to have ascribed a certain ideology to me. Whether this ideology is beneficial or not for a society and it’s survival doesn’t matter at all for how people choose to identify themselves.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Simpleguest
  55. @Lot

    I’m an American citizen of Hungarian/Slovene stock who currently resides in China, Mr. Lot.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  56. Coconuts says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Apart from in general being Atlanticist/ZOG fanatics (which doesn’t explain why the British regime is in some ways more aggressive than the US)., I don’t know why they do this.

    I am guessing the underlying motivation is that parts of the ruling class think that they need to secure a place, and influence, within the US/EU globalist liberal block. Organising propaganda directed against Russia is maybe a task they have been given, I get an impression that GCHQ and SIS are mainly local branches of the CIA now.

    The Woke may be interested for reasons of genuine zealotry, to continue the crusade and make it look like every country is falling under their influence, even if this is largely for the benefit of their own supporters in the West. This would explain some of the anti-religious propaganda, that sounds like their kind of thing.

    • Replies: @Mitleser
  57. GCHQ and SIS are mainly local branches of the CIA now.

    The Five Eyes work as a consortium. The main part of the world economy belongs to the globalized Western “shareholders “. The majority of these people are interlinked among themselves and somewhat related to the Ango-Saxon and Jewish money networks.

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    What they dislike about Russian nouveaux riches and the Chinese “neo-mandarine” class, is that these upstarts insistingly ask for a share of the global economic pie. It was not a problem when the pie kept growing. But the old families of European aristocracy and mercantile dynasties know that it is impossible to expand consumption forever. Especially that the Russian and Chinese upstarts have quite the appetite for luxury and overconsumption. But what is even worse, is that Russian and Chinese populations are rising from their misery and are are consuming more (the Chinese are rising very fast, the Russians slowly and unevenly, but they strongly want to live better).

    When humans consume anything, the 2nd principle of thermodynamics inexorably entails exhaustion of certain ressources and increased entropy (pollution). It’s impossible to keep the same level of economic well-being in the West and allow the rise of Russia and China. The biosphere is not extensible. Our overlords also know that we are not ready yet to become a space civilization and they are afraid of the potential technological Singularity.

    So they do their best to curb the overconsumption in the West (Covid pandemics, Wokism etc.) and to mitigate the rise of China and prevent the rise of Russia.

    That’s the main part if the whole conflict, then there are other aspects: cultural, psychological, metaphysical and occult (that is the whole ideological spectrum) etc.

  58. Anyone know much about this lot? It’s interesting to read about the area but what’s the slant, or isn’t there one?

    https://barentsobserver.com/en/history-barentsobservercom

    This piece on Russian/Norwegian WW2 commemorations seems relatively neutral.

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/node/7651

    Here’s the report on the LNG tanker voyage

    https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/2021/02/arctic-shipper-shows-historical-icebreaking-voyage

  59. @reiner Tor

    The US also came up with at least three different vaccines.

    I did not bother to double check the US vaccine tally. If I am not mistaken, the Pfizer vaccine, conceptually, was developed in Germany, only Pfizer to buy the license later.

    But it’s not a problem for me to amend the statement: Russia, China and US developed 3 COVID-19 vaccines each.

    • Replies: @That Would Be Telling
  60. Mitleser says:
    @Coconuts

    The British elite wants to have a seat on the table.
    As a result of Brexit, that means primary a seat on the Anglosphere table, hence firm support for the US foreign policy and trying to join the CPTPP.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  61. @Death

    They’re a child disowned so young he never knew who his parents are. There’s this sense of disorientation and indifference in the air with regards to identity of those people.

    Realistically, there is not much Russia can do to improve the life of the Russian speakers in the Baltic states, short of military invasion and re-incorporation of the Baltics.

    All legal initiatives to help Russians in the Baltics get their rights, and thus buttress their identity, are blocked with the intention of assimilating or expelling the Russian communities while the collective West is turning a blind eye for geopolitical reasons.

    I compare your resignation with the vigor exhibited by the Russian Old Believers communities, and I am perplexed. As you know, many of them had been living outside Russia for centuries, even settling on different continents, yet they have remained Russian and they are not ashamed of it. I mean, why would they be? And, if I am not mistaken, many are returning back to Russia.

    I am not trying to ascribe any ideology to you. What I am trying to say is, actually, very simple. You can either send the West to hell or you can continue living in misery feeling sorry for yourself.
    I apologize for being so personal to you.

  62. @Simpleguest

    The US also came up with at least three different vaccines.

    I did not bother to double check the US vaccine tally. If I am not mistaken, the Pfizer vaccine, conceptually, was developed in Germany, only Pfizer to buy the license later.

    But it’s not a problem for me to amend the statement: Russia, China and US developed 3 COVID-19 vaccines each.

    BioNTech decided they needed a major pharmaceutical company partner to test their vaccine candidates and manufacture one, a very common pattern with biotech startups. By comparison, Moderna was able to get enough help and money from the US government to go it alone; it no doubt helped they had a more mature platform and were much more confident about their single candidate. Interestingly, the other hopeful mRNA vaccine company is also based in Germany, and the EU really needs CureVac’s to work, their big bet on Sanofi/GSK having failed.

    The sort of help Moderna got was formalized as Operation Warp Speed (OWS), which made similar more than a billion US$ bets on just R&D including manufacturing on AZ/Oxford, another big-small entity partnership, US firms Janssen and Novavax, and Sanofi/GSK, they’re trying again with a V2.0 vaccine real soon now. See also Gamaleya, formally the Gamaleya Research Institute of Epidemiology and Microbiology: per Wikipedia “the 48th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense and the Vector Institute” helped with vaccine development, but you need or want different organizations for large scale testing and manufacturing, like R-Pharm.

  63. @Simpleguest

    As you know, many of them had been living outside Russia for centuries, even settling on different continents, yet they have remained Russian and they are not ashamed of it. I mean, why would they be? And, if I am not mistaken, many are returning back to Russia.

    [MORE]

    😊😊😊😊😊😊

  64. Death says:
    @Simpleguest

    I don’t think a military invasion and the subsequent flight of human capital and collapse of all economic ties with the EU will in any way improve the material conditions of Russian speakers.

    All legal initiatives to help Russians in the Baltics get their rights

    We have all the rights. Except maybe the Russian-language school education, though even that has not yet been completely taken away. One could argue that it’s for their own good, as they fail to learn Estonian language and thus mostly live in a quasi-segregated, parallel society, with worse economic outcomes. I would agree with this.

    with the intention of assimilating or expelling the Russian communities

    There isn’t such an intention. The government is too gay and eunuchized for such ambitious goals. They only exist to hold the status-quo while rent-seeking and sucking off to their foreign overlords.
    Things are much more calm and boring than you imagine.

    yet they have remained Russian and they are not ashamed of it.

    Those were Russians. People in the Baltics are post-soviet frankensteins. I’m not saying the younger generations of Baltic Russians wouldn’t call themselves Russians. They would, if confronted. But normally they avoid thinking about it. ‘Yeah, we’re Russians. We speak Russian’. But that’s it, that’s where it ends. This is what I describe as a spirit of disorientation and indifference.

    And, if I am not mistaken, many are returning back to Russia.

    This has been a thing in the 90s, but now more people come to Estonia from Russia than vice versa.
    https://www.stat.ee/en/find-statistics/statistics-theme/population/migration

    • Replies: @Simpleguest
  65. @Simpleguest

    I compare your resignation with the vigor exhibited by the Russian Old Believers communities, and I am perplexed. As you know, many of them had been living outside Russia for centuries, even settling on different continents, yet they have remained Russian and they are not ashamed of it. I mean, why would they be? And, if I am not mistaken, many are returning back to Russia.

    The Old Believers were Russian, the population that moved to live in the Baltic republics were Russophone Sovoks. Sovoks have no true cultural identity except for the Olivier salad and the cult of the Great Patriotic War, therefore they are easy to assimilate. They are getting westernized and pozzed in Russia proper, of course they will also be assimilated in the other republics. That is the end result of the Russian westernization since the Raskol.

    Meanwhile, the Old Believers who have lived in Lithuania, Latvia or Romania for hundreds years are still culturally deeply Russian.

    When you keep the spirit of your ancestors alive you are not assimilable. When you turn against their traditions you are assimilated in a couple of generations. Russian elites became “European ” after the Raskol, now it’s the masses that follow in their foot steps.

    Russians have betrayed their ancestors first when they rejected thousands years Balto-Slavic paganism and accepted Orthodox Christianity, a second time when they accepted Raskol, the third time when they accepted Piter the Great’s reforms and the ensuing westernization, fourth time when they accepted the outcome of the Bolshevik Revolution and the fifth time when they accepted the results of Perestroika and privatization. All these betrayals are bound to destroy the spirit of a people. But at least they now build nuclear reactors, so everything’s alright…

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
    • LOL: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Jaakko Raipala
  66. @Death

    I don’t think a military invasion and the subsequent flight of human capital and collapse of all economic ties with the EU will in any way improve the material conditions of Russian speakers.

    I am afraid you misunderstood my sentence.
    The intention of formulating a sentence like this:

    Realistically, there is not much Russia can do to improve the life of the Russian speakers in the Baltic states, short of military invasion and re-incorporation of the Baltics.

    is not to advocate for military invasion. The intention is to emphasize how powerless Russia is since military intervention is so out of question.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Death
  67. @Simpleguest

    Russia could have offered an automatic Israeli style “right of return” legislation 20 years ago. It did not. It’s easier for a Kirghiz gastarbaiter to move to Moscow than to a Russian caught in Central Asia to get Russian citizenship. A few weeks ago Putin again emphasized the rejection of “Russia for Russians” principle defended by Russian nationalists.

    This is of course not surprising at all given that the majority of Russian high ranked politicians have family, investments and real estate abroad.

    When your chief media propagandist “patriots” are an Armenian and a Jew then there is just so much that you can do to inspire “Russian identity ” in the Sovoks left in the near abroad.

    Perhaps that is why young ethnic Russians in the Baltic states, Ukraine and Belarus are massively rejecting what is left of their ancestors’ identity. If Russians in Russia itself have no respect, then what can you hope for abroad?

    • Replies: @Death
    , @Simpleguest
  68. Death says:
    @Simpleguest

    Thanks for clarifying. I agree that there isn’t much to be done. Identity in this situation is largely a function of social status, and social status is largely a function of average IQ.

    To reply not with just 2 sentences, I will comment on the Estonian politics with regards to the Russian question. For the last 2 decades, the Centre Party, a Russian speakers’ implementation of identity politics, has enjoyed support of the majority of Russian voters, and so secured it’s 25-30% ratings, #1-2 spot in the ratings and seats in most governments. So, if identity politics is a measure of the level of integration, it is telling that the latter isn’t going well.
    However, despite being a member of ALDE, the Centre Party seemingly wasn’t progressive enough and even betrayed the local Cathedral forming a government with far-right EKRE. And this is where, I suspect, they decided to strike back, implementing the US Democratic Party model and creating a new radically shitlib (for this place) party that combines Russians’ issues and globohomo agenda advocacy, which quickly gained a substantial support. This is insulting.

  69. The Grayzone have IMHO better coverage than RT of the disinformation/propaganda project.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuters-bbc-uk-foreign-office-russian-media/

  70. Death says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    As far as I am aware, it did.
    https://estonia.mid.ru/programma-pereselenia-v-rf1

    Getting a Russian passport for owners of alien’s passports is also quite simple if not automatic.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  71. @Bashibuzuk

    Russia could have offered an automatic Israeli style “right of return” legislation 20 years ago. It did not.

    Fair point.
    However, all these years we are told that the fall of population in Russia, due to low birth rates, is offset by the flow of immigrants to Russia from the former Soviet states. Now, I don’t have the facts, but I would assume that most of those people moving to Russia would be ethnic Russians.

    In other words, the “return” is taking place, only in a more quiet, natural way, absent bombastic declarations that would please the nationalistic ear.

    Such declarations would inevitably create uneasiness, to say the least, in any culturally and ethnically diverse country like Russia.

    Any wise leader would refrain from bold statements and acts that would, in the end, prove highly detrimental.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  72. This hearkens back to how the UK tried to addict the Chinese to opium to dumb down the population to control and subjugate China. This madness went on until the Boxer Rebellion.

  73. @Death

    It has been done recently. It should have been done a generation ago. They should have given automatic citizenship for all Eastern Slavs.

  74. @Simpleguest

    Such declarations would inevitably create uneasiness, to say the least, in any culturally and ethnically diverse country like Russia.

    Ethnic Slavs are 85% of Russian population. And Russia for Russians doesn’t mean that there’s no place for other native populations that have lived on Russian soil for centuries. If we exclude all form of racism then Slavs should be 85% in the higher levels of business and politics. Jews should be around 1- 2 %, same for Armenians. That is if Russian government considered Slavs as good enough to manage and govern themselves. But we know that since Piter the Great the ethnic balance of the Tsarist state has been skewed against the ethnic Russians, same under the Bolsheviks and now under Putin and his clique.

  75. AKAHorace says:
    @Supply and Demand

    It is my sincere hope that someday the current iteration of Russia prospers sufficiently to invade the Anglo peoples upon their next slight against them, plant their flag like the Soviets on the Reichstag did on top of Westminster, and boot out their pedophilic monarchy and rape their profoundly ugly women into submission.

    SD seems to be a native English speaker and probably English.

    I’m an American citizen of Hungarian/Slovene stock who currently resides in China, Mr. Lot.

    A long way from home and spending too much time with English teachers from the UK ? Don’t judge an entire civilization by them. The profoundly ugly ones tend to leave the UK.

  76. @Lot

    He certainly let his hatred and disgust get to him, approaching the levels of the western elites for their own people.

    It takes a remarkable feat to of mental gymnastics to brag about an action that the Chinese and Russians (and most traditional westerners) themselves find reprehensible (betraying family to a foreign authority), while claiming to be a proud part of their future.

    One can easily fall into hate and disgust, though. Bill Gates and the rest of them did it a long time ago.

  77. @Bashibuzuk

    If we exclude all form of racism then Slavs should be 85% in the higher levels of business and politics. Jews should be around 1- 2 %, same for Armenians.

    That’s false.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  78. @Death

    I find it hard to believe that Russians are content with living as a hated underclass with no political representation in Estonia, despite making up a quarter of the country’s population. I also doubt that rebranding Russians as Euro-Balts will make them more palatable to Estonian nationalists. With no advantage to being a Euro-Balt why would anyone become a Euro-Balt?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Death
  79. @Felix Keverich

    a hated underclass with no political representation

    That’s not the exact reality on the ground.

    Anyone who wants to become an Estonian citizen could easily do so by passing a simple language test, except if he already had a Russian passport. But having a Russian passport was a choice, not some evil Estonian apartheid measure. Already in the early 1990s getting Estonian citizenship was made super easy, you just needed to prove two years of residency and pass an intermediate level language test. Also Russians whose ancestors had Estonian citizenship before 1939 (for example the Russian population of Narva) stayed Estonian citizens.

    From what I read the majority of the Russians have Estonian citizenship and thus the right to vote. The majority of those who don’t actually have Russian passports and Estonian residency cards, so they are basically immigrants. There is still a number of stateless people, but they could easily get Russian or Estonian passports, depending on which they preferred. Yes, some of them couldn’t speak Estonian, but after having lived there for over three decades, it basically means that they don’t really want it at all.

    Regarding being a “hated underclass,” I have yet to find an Estonian or Latvian who says anything bad about Russians without qualifications. They will usually say things like “we have issues with many Russians who refuse to learn the language, but those who have learned the language are basically the best thing since sliced bread.” This attitude might actually make it easy for Russians who are willing to integrate to actually feel accepted and content.

    • Agree: Death
  80. @YetAnotherAnon

    An excellent example of why I gave up my television years ago. The idea of paying a licence fee ( that is TAX ) to support this propaganda is repulsive. So I don’t. In the West, if you get your news from the MSM, and no other sources, you will be seriously misinformed. The number of “educated ” people who still accept the MSM as an authoritative source is truly depressing. When the inevitable collapse comes shortly, their incomprehension will be total.

  81. @Bashibuzuk

    It’s a shame really because BBC once was the golden standard of international journalism and documentary films.

    If they were, it only goes to show that international standards must have been very low. You have obviously never lived in Britain, or had long experience of the BBC and its products. The bias, distortion and propaganda has been obvious for many years now, even in the late 1960s.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  82. @reiner Tor

    You would be certainly correct if Russians and other Slavs were somehow lacking compared to Jews, Armenians, Azeris and DICh people who are over-represented in the higher spheres of Russian media, business and politics. But Slavs are not inferior to these people. Therefore the system unduly discriminates against the Slav majority. I don’t care why the system does that, if it does then it is a bad system for Russians and other ethnic Slavs.

    Russia for Russians, just like Israel is for Jews, Armenia is for Armenians, Azerbaijan is for Azeri Turks, Estonia is for Estonians etc. They all have thir nation-states, except for Russians who for whatever reason are supposed to make room and accomodate any other “talented” nationality for “reasons unknown ” (Sarc.).

  83. @Verymuchalive

    Thank goodness, I have never lived in UK. So you might be correct, and BBC might have been a filth spewing garbage media outlet decades ago. I don’t really care as it would have been British people’s problem, not mine.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  84. @Bashibuzuk

    … that since Piter the Great the ethnic balance of the Tsarist state has been skewed against the ethnic Russians

    Tatar-origin nobility came to constitute 25% of the Russian nobility during the 17th century (e.g. the Yusupovs = Yusuf). Almost as if that is how the world has always worked.

  85. @Bashibuzuk

    Buryats and Yakuts are underrepresented, including relative to Russians. The most logical explanation is that Caucasoids/Near Easterners are unusually ethnocentric + good at ethnic networking, while makes them outperform their average IQs (while more taciturn Mongoloids underperform them).

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  86. @Bashibuzuk

    I would say that Jews are certainly smarter than ethnic Russians, and are especially skewed towards business activities, so a totally meritocratic system will always create a lot of Jewish over-representation. They are also over-represented among Nobel laureates and the likes.

    I don’t know enough about Armenians or Azeris, but perhaps they are not as smart as Jews.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Dmitry
  87. @Anatoly Karlin

    I have nothing but the good things to say about Buryat and Yakut people. Russia for Russians doesn’t mean Russia only for Russians. It just means that the Noviopy in the Putinist core must make more room for Russians and other native populations of Russia.

    BTW, I am well aware of the integration of Tatars into the Russian nobility, you are correct in what you wrote. But in pre-Raskol Russia these “Sloozhivye Tatary” got thoroughly Russified in a matter of a couple of generations. The opposite happens today: ethnic Russians become converted to other ethnic identifications: Ukrainians, Belarusian, Baltic etc.

    Meanwhile, Noviopy are happy bragging about their Jewish grandma and their Armenian grandpa (feel
    free to insert any other exotic nationalities instead of the two most obvious ones). They feel entitled to milk Russia dry, move the moneys abroad, buy superyachts and Côte d’Azur villas all the while they spite on “bydlo” of the hard working Russian majority.

    Problem is, under the “auguste patronage” of the likes of Solovyov-Shapiro and Simonyan, Russian culture has lost its ability to truly Integrate and assimilate. I have written above about the reasons it has happened: hundreds of years of increasing and accelerating betrayal of Russian Slavic roots. Being simply Slav became unfashionable, being just Russian doesn’t bring you any benefit. But if you have a Jewish (comissar) grand-grandfather then it’s different…

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  88. @reiner Tor

    Jews are certainly smarter than ethnic Russians

    All the Jews are certainly smarter than all ethnic Russians?

    You are aware that in RusFed Russians absolutely outnumber Jews and could easily provide enough smart fraction to fill all the positions of power and wealth?

    But for that to happen, the playing field should be leveled off.

    (BTW what would you think if I wrote something similar about the Magyar people?)

    • Replies: @Percheron
    , @reiner Tor
  89. @Bashibuzuk

    The Old Believers were Russian, the population that moved to live in the Baltic republics were Russophone Sovoks. Sovoks have no true cultural identity except for the Olivier salad and the cult of the Great Patriotic War, therefore they are easy to assimilate. They are getting westernized and pozzed in Russia proper, of course they will also be assimilated in the other republics.

    This too is the opposite of the real situation.

    The pre-Soviet part of ethnic Russians in Estonia includes a bunch of Old Believer villages near Lake Peipsi. They were all granted Estonian citizenship and there is no friction at all even though they are still Russians and generally have no intention of assimilating. They have little reason to prefer Russia over Estonia as a state since after all the whole reason they are in Estonia is because Russia persecuted them and Estonia never did.

    The part of Russians that have problems in Estonia are the sovoks, the people that were moved in after WWII when whole new small cities of Khrushchev commieblocks were built to support Soviet naval bases, heavy industry and so on – not to mention replace the mass deported “fascists, Whites, reactionaries” etc with communist loyalists. Now those places are decaying Soviet time capsules and everyone capable enough gets an education and escapes to Europe or Russia while the people who get stuck hold on to their hammer and sickle ever harder.

    The part of the Russian minority that feels oppressed is precisely the part that considers the cornerstones of Russian ethnic identity to be Lenin, Soviet WWII victory, the great achievement of moving peasants to commieblocks… and of course, since Balts want to leave that all behind, anyone who feels these things to be central to Russian identity really will feel forever oppressed. Of course if any of these Soviet patriots move to Russia and repeat the same opinions there, all the Russian nationalists of this thread who cry about Baltic attitudes will have the same negative attitude towards these people.

    • Agree: Death
  90. Percheron says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Ashkenazi Jews are on average smarter than Russian, Magyars, and so on. This hardly means that every Ashkenazi is cleverer than every Russian but it does mean that we would expect the proportion of Ashkenazim to increase as the average intelligence of the sample increases, barring all other effects.

    I certainly don’t know enough about Russia to claim that this is the only effect in operation, i.e. there may well be considerable nepotism, ethnocentrism, etc. There may also be other factors, psychological, cultural and so on, influencing what type of work is chosen by Slavs and Ashkenazim of equal intelligence.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Shortsword
  91. @Jaakko Raipala

    Thank you for confirming an important part of what I wrote (although you have probably not even noticed doing this). Much appreciated. This being said, you have misnamed the Chudskoyie lake, you should work on improving your toponymic skills.

    BTW, I find it very entertaining to observe how you and Reiner Tor (both Finno-Ugric) react when you read the clearly stated opinion of a Russian Slav identitarian nationalist. And just to make everything absolutely clear: people like me do not worship WW2 veterans, we respect them and we think that they did what any normal Slav, in fact any normal human being, should do when their homeland is invaded by foreign aggressors hell-bent on the elimination of the natives.

    Finns had done something similar when they fought the Red Army and I respect Finnish soldiers for that despite the Soviet invasion not being aimed at enslaving or exterminating the natives. I find it unfortunate that all ethnic Russians didn’t do exactly the same when facing the Jewish comissars and their pet Latvian rifelmen a generation before WW2. Should they have done that, we would be living in a better world today…

  92. @Percheron

    I certainly don’t know enough about Russia to claim that this is the only effect in operation, i.e. there may well be considerable nepotism, ethnocentrism, etc.

    http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

    Anything else you want to know?

  93. Percheron says:

    Knowledge of Jewish involvement in communism is not new to me. And again, I’m not claiming that there is no ethnocentrism, there likely is, merely that a certain overrepresentation of Ashkenazim is to be expected.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  94. @Percheron

    It is not just a “certain over-representation”, if someone really looked into the ethnic origins of the current Russian and Ukrainian elites, the share of people with a certain ratio of Jewish ancestry would prove outstandingly important. I understand that it might have been inevitable if they had to live in Russia for the lack of a better alternative, but they have Israel now.

    They can go to live among their people while we Goyim live in our own lands according to our own rules and priorities. Russians saved them during WW2 and the Soviets helped them get Israel, they should now show some gratitude by simply moving to their Holy Land.

    Or they can just stay and show some respect to local culture and tradition instead of automatically considering everything Russian inferior.

  95. @Bashibuzuk

    At first, the bias and propaganda was quite subtle. It was the Biafran or Nigerian Civil War ( 1967-70) that changed that. Here’s famous thriller writer Frederick Forsyth on his time as a BBC correspondent in Nigeria then.
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/21/buried-50-years-britain-shamesful-role-biafran-war-frederick-forsyth

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
  96. Death says:
    @Felix Keverich

    They are not a “hated underclass with no political representation”. Commenter reiner Tor’s reply is correct and the only thing I could add to it is that, as I described in my comments above, local Russians engage in identity politics heavily.

    I also doubt that rebranding Russians as Euro-Balts will make them more palatable to Estonian nationalists. With no advantage to being a Euro-Balt why would anyone become a Euro-Balt?

    Again, this couldn’t happen, because it’s as fake as it gets. It’s actually the first time I hear about this. Local Russians see themselves as local Russians, i.e. ethnic Russians but not in any way connected to Russia or broader Russian ethnicity.

  97. @Death

    Do you know if there is any significant difference in ethnic Estonian TFR vs local Russian TFR? Cause my understanding is that in a couple of generations Estonia will be a rather scarcely populated place. This is probably also true for the whole of the Baltic states.

    Also, when I visited Tallinn around 1988 the Sovoks there were a mix of Soviet ethnic groups, not only ethnic Russians. There were also some (rare) intermarriages between ethnic Estonians and the Sovoks. How is it nowadays, do all Sovok – descendants there identify as “local Russians with no connection to Russia ” or are they aware of their “multinational” roots?

    • Replies: @Shortsword
    , @Death
  98. @reiner Tor

    Anyone who wants to become an Estonian citizen could easily do so by passing a simple language test, except if he already had a Russian passport. But having a Russian passport was a choice, not some evil Estonian apartheid measure. Already in the early 1990s getting Estonian citizenship was made super easy, you just needed to prove two years of residency and pass an intermediate level language test.

    You’re an idiot – probably a subhuman.

    You are seriously too thick to notice that citizenship is a birthright if you are born there?…and it’s way past evil and disgusting to retrospectively take it away?This is totally different to not allowing somebody to join the Estonian army or teacher based on language requirements you idiot.

    Are you too thick to notice that it’s only because the russian population is much lower in Lithuania that they don’t have the same citizenship laws? Its a cynical and sinister measure done under the shelter of western backing

    Are you too thick to notice how demented it is to have people who have built this country and lived their all their lives not be citizens……….but scumbag North American prostitutes who have frequently parachuted in to be their President or PM for all these gutter nations just get it? Then after they finish as President , they just f**k off back to America immediately, as happened with the previous American, non-entity President of Estonia

    Also Russians whose ancestors had Estonian citizenship before 1939 (for example the Russian population of Narva) stayed Estonian citizens.

    hahahaha! Is this some sick joke of a post you are doing?

    From what I read the majority of the Russians have Estonian citizenship and thus the right to vote.

    Not the majority – well either 60/40 or 40/60….with the vast majority of citizenships only occuring because of EU membership. So for 14 years these evil, discriminatory citizenship requirements were a pitiful failure

    But having a Russian passport was a choice, not some evil Estonian apartheid measure.

    LOL. It was the perfect definition of apartheid measure you cretin. This is even worse because different to South Africa we are not talking about any socio-economic, mentality/cultural differences or crime/security or outnumbering considerations as was happening in South Africa ( plus significantly more intermarriage) as some sort of practical reasons for creating this apartheid. We are talking about revenge mission from some lowlife western prostitute state called Estonia, that knows in a purely democratic state their fascist non-entity ethnocracy is threatened. The rules will further become worse if there were more Russians coming into powerful positions

    Even turks in germany have better political representation

    Regarding being a “hated underclass,” I have yet to find an Estonian or Latvian who says anything bad about Russians without qualifications. They will usually say things like “we have issues with many Russians who refuse to learn the language,

    Who cares about your fake conversations? You are applying the superiority complex situation ( traditional European colonial to African/Asian countries) in a situation where it is inferiority complex of losers to their intellectual and cultural superiors – a completely wrong logic to use. You are also applying it as if these are low-skilled imported immigrants you idiot.There is also banking discrimination in some areas also.

    You’re just a typical dark-souled Germanic, tasteless-David Hasselhoff-loving maggot-faggot. Get out of my sight

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @reiner Tor
  99. @Bashibuzuk

    Estonia is the one Baltic country to have mostly stopped the population decline. The biggest reason is that Estonia’s life expectancy has been rising much faster than the others. They all have similar fertility rate but interestingly Estonia had the lowest between 2012 and 2017 but now has the highest.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  100. @Shortsword

    I just looked into it and ot looks not bad indeed. Although they will still need to have some immigration if they want to keep the current population level a couple of generations down the road.

    https://www.stat.ee/en/find-statistics/statistics-theme/population/population-projection

    Where will they get this immigration from, I wonder…

    Also, do younger Estonian citizens still move to other parts of EU in significant numbers ? If they do, who is moving more: ethnic Estonians or their Sovok-derived neighbors ?

    Anyway, Tallinn was a nice place back in 1988, I remember later looking in the CIA World Book for 1988 and finding that the US spooks candidly admited that overall the standard of living in Estonia was back then comparable to their Fenno-Scandian neighbors.

    A stark contrast to the pre-WW2 Estonia.

    Wonder how it compares today.

    • Replies: @Death
  101. @Bashibuzuk

    Unless the lord builds the house, the builders labor in vain.

    Unless the lord watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain.

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    Indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber or sleep.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  102. About the media financed by MI6:
    “Hounds follow those who feed them.”
    ― Otto von Bismarck

    Russian propaganda strategy:
    I have found that nothing so deceives your adversaries as telling them the truth.
    – Otto von Bismarck

  103. @reiner Tor

    It would be interesting to provide a comparison of the Hungarian minority’s rights in Romania, or Slovakia, relative to those of the Russian minority in Estonia or Latvia.

    For instance, Hungarians in Romania, if I am not mistaken, can have, not only primary and secondary, but also university level of education in Hungarian language.
    Again, we are talking about university level of education.

    Contrary to this, the number of elementary and secondary Russian schools in Estonia and Latvia is being reduced year after year (or the same happens to Russian language school curriculums). Curiously, these school closures are justified with the need to integrate Russian speaking kids.

    For more information, here is Russian Foreign Ministry’s official reaction on the closure of several Russian secondary schools in 2019.

    https://www.mid.ru/en/kommentarii/-/asset_publisher/2MrVt3CzL5sw/content/id/3935898

  104. @Gerard-Mandela

    You’re just a typical dark-souled Germanic, tasteless-David Hasselhoff-loving maggot-faggot. Get out of my sight

    But Hungarians are Asians.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Thanks: Hyperdupont
    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Troll: Kent Nationalist
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  105. @Bashibuzuk

    Ukrainian elites are incomparably more Jewish than Russian ones are. Many of the Russian ones just happen to be jewish – they are not Kosher Nostra jews like Abramovich or Berezovsky, the workers at Ekho Moskvy etc. who cant be compared to people like Primakov and many others. Ukropia is near all Kosher Nostra jews in their “elite”.

    In media in Russia ,jews are no more represented than Armenians ( who are very well represented of course), those from Azerbaijan, baltic states ( main anchor on Vesti) and Gruzians.

    Of course scum like Zelensky became part of the Ukrainian “elite” because we made him part of Russian showbusiness elite, and many of the Ukrainian oligarchs got their wealth for similar reasons, but the facts are our non-slavic elite are much less a percentage against slavic elite….than just the jewish elite in Ukraine is against the non-jewish elite there.

    We also have the factor of ethnic republics creating some local ethnic oligarchs – which is just a result of us being a Russian Federation, and further reduces jewish control anyway.

    Poroshenko/Valtsman had 2 jew Chiefs of staff and a Jew PM , the current non-entity PM of Ukropia could easily by a crypto-jewish person also. Zelensky also has a jewish press secretary.

    and nothing says “sovereign” non-jewish state then a Jewish President offerering (TWICE!!!) for an American jew ( fat retard guy called Vindman ) to be the Defense Minister of Ukraine!

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  106. @Gerard-Mandela

    and nothing says “sovereign” non-jewish state then a Jewish President offerering (TWICE!!!) for an American jew ( fat retard guy called Vindman ) to be the Defense Minister of Ukraine!

    Ukraine had quite a few retards as Defense Ministers, so the only new thing is that this retard would be imported, whereas the other ones were home-grown. Still retards. Then again, what do you expect from a country that has more admirals than ships?

    • Agree: Gerard-Mandela
  107. Death says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I didn’t find a definitive TFR comparison for different ethnicities, but comparing the weight in births number to the weight in overall population I conclude that Estonians have a marginally higher TFR.
    The natural population growth for them is also slightly positive, while for the overall population it’s slightly negative.
    https://www.stat.ee/et/uudised/pressiteade-2020-074
    https://www.stat.ee/et/avasta-statistikat/valdkonnad/rahvastik/sunnid

    Non-slavic Russophones usually identify with their respective ethnicities, but it’s usually no more than a “label” of sorts and their culture is the same as that of Russians’. More broadly, to themselves and the society in general they are Russian-speaking. This is somewhat similar to modern urbanized Russia where your average Tatar family has spoken only Russian language for multiple generations.
    Anyways, non-slavic phenotypes are quite rare among the Russophones.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk, Blinky Bill
  108. @Blinky Bill

    I see that you understood that my reply # 105 was to your comment # 103.

    😉

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    BTW, given that you have read my discussion with Dmitry and my comments in general, you would know that I am not an enemy of the Jewish people as long as they do not cause troubles to the Goyim.

    I am a great admirer of Alain de Benoist and I believe in Mao’s wisdom of letting a thousand flowers bloom. Let’s hope that each of these flowers blooms in the right location and each culture develops to its greatest extent.

    The Galuta is no more an imperative for the sons of Abraham. They now have a home they should go back to. Their Ishmaelite cousins will be alright with them living in their own home-country as soon as they come to know and respect each other better. Everything will be alright for the sons of Abraham. As you wrote their Lord will be looking .after them.

    And if we come to respect our Slav ancestors again, and work the right deeds, then our Lord will also look after us and our children too.

    • Thanks: Blinky Bill
  109. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    The elite as in most places is a very small, cozy world, which is not completely meritocratic – the pinnacle of the current economic and entertainment elite in Russia, can seem more like a multinational version of Renaissance Italy or Tudor England, with celebrities acting as “court jesters”.

    Relative to their small population, the most overrepresented group for wealthy people are probably Mountain Jews. This is a different nationality to Ashkenazi Jews; different racial and cultural group. Secular Ashkenazi Jews have an academic culture of trying to win Nobel prizes; but Mountain Jews do not have a history of that culture.

    Putin’s second daughter was married to a Mountain Jew whose father is connected to Putin as far back as Ozero, and Putin’s allegedly third daughter’s boyfriend is a Bukhari Jew, whose father is director of Petersburg Oil Terminal, and whose grandfather allegedly negotiated with deputy mayor Putin in the 1990s. This small world at the top, where family connections will be often important than your achievements in university exams.

    Timati whose father is Tatar and whose mother is a Mountain Jew, does not rap as well as Tupac, to say it mildly, but his family had connections, and therefore compared to normal people, he had probably an easier opportunity to dominate not only hip hop videos, but now the gourmet hamburger industry.

    If the system would successfully stabilize and pass to the next generations in a hereditary way, in a century it could become some kind of multinational Game of Thrones, with “House of Shoigu”, marrying the “House of Timati”.

    There is some indication where we can discern the outlines of such an alternative future already: Shoigu’s daughter runs the franchise that is introducing Ninja Warrior in Russia, with Basta providing music, and her obstacle running projects have access to Russian army training bases.

    Or Timati launches a clothing line with Shoigu at the Russian army (that was bought from aliexpress according to Navalny)

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  110. Death says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Also, do younger Estonian citizens still move to other parts of EU in significant numbers ? If they do, who is moving more: ethnic Estonians or their Sovok-derived neighbors ?

    More people are now going back than leaving the country. Can’t break it down by the languages though, but I’d bet that Russians are emigrating in slightly higher numbers.

    overall the standard of living in Estonia was back then comparable to their Fenno-Scandian neighbors.

    This is beyond unbelievable. Also at the time of perestroika. Just no way it’s true.
    As for the present time, the wages are 2-3 times lower while prices are around the same.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  111. @Dmitry

    And Mishustin is half Armenian and half Jewish and Lavrov’s daughter is married to an Israeli and Kudrin has (supposedly) converted to Judaism and Shoigu’s maternal grandfather was a Jew and Yeltsin’s wife was Jewish and Kirienko’s father is Jewish as is Chubais’ mother was Jewish as was Gaidar and so on and so forth.

    All these people are more or less derived from the Soviet system internationalist Galuta, which propulsed the Jews from their Pale of Settlement shtetls to the Moscovite Arbat and Leningrad’s Nevskyi appartments whose rightful Russian owners were either expelled or killed or expelled and killed. In the 1920s and 1930s the children of the former “exploiter classes ” were often forbidden from going to the university, but the “shtetl intellectuals” and the “oppressed minorities ” offspring were welcomed in the universities with open arms.

    Antisemitism was an accusation enough to be executed and “Great Russian chauvinism” was reason enough to get oneself sent to the Gulag.

    Things changed after Israel betrayed its Soviet Union sugar daddy and turned itself into the American’s BFF. But after Perestroika, Russian patriotic and nationalistic forces that started to gain some traction since the early 1980ies, were again weakened and outright massacred in 1993.

    This is how Russia ended up with such a “wonderful” elite.

  112. Dmitry says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Ashkenazi Jews in Russia have been since the second half of the 20th century, a bit of a self-dissolving nationality, with fertility rates of 1,4 for women born since 1919 and intermarriage rate of 70% by 1989, and mass emigration due to access to German, Canadian and Israeli citizenship; while Tatars are more recently also becoming demographically unviable as a separate nationality, with below replacement fertility rates and intermarriage at 40% by 1989.
    https://www.bjpa.org/content/upload/bjpa/c__c/Tolts_EPC%20Milan,%2019951.pdf

    In Russia today, the multinational political elite hardly escapes this melting and emigration process. In Ural distract, there are often multinational origin politicians. Old governor of Sverdlovsk, Eduard Rossel is from German nationality, and his children/family have all emigrated to Germany. Old governor of Chelyabinsk, Mikhail Yurevich, was of Jewish origin, but after the corruption scandal he emigrated via Israel and to London – went into exile.

    Former Mayor of Ekaterinburg Evgeny Roizman, boasts always about his folkloric Jewish identity, and it is part of his politically marketing, to say “I, as a Jew from Uralmash”.

    However, Roizman father has Yiddish origin, while his mother does not; i.e. so he couldn’t marry with a Rabbi in Israel, which requires you to have a Jewish mother. And in the next generation, his 4 children would be going to a Elizabeth Warren controversies if they claimed to be real Jews. Or at least his grandchildren.

    Russian ethnic minorities are becoming a melting mestizo population, that can numerically be double or quadrupling the original minorities nationalities’ size as a result of interrmarriage.

    When a minority group intermarries with a majority group, then size of the mixed-nationality children is double what would be created by the minority group marrying to itself.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  113. @Death

    And yet this is absolutely true my dear friend. Tallinn was a paradise in 1988, even for a Moscow born and raised teenager like me.

    By that time I have already visited Budapest and Varna in Bulgaria and I could compare. Life was nearly as good in Tallinn as it was in Budapest, which was one of the most developed places in the Eastern Block. According to my friends who have seen both, Estonia was less developed than Yugoslavia. But Yugoslavia was an outstandingly developed place in the late 1980-ies. Of note, ethnic Estonians had a higher standard of living in Estonia than the Russophone newcomers. It was basically an Apartheid system under the control of the local, ethnic Estonian Communist party. BTW, did you know that Russian Federation did not have a local ethnic Russian Communist party? The Communist Party of Soviet Union was good enough for Russian Sovoks, but not for the proud brotherly peoples of the Soviet republics that had each their own ethnic branch of Bolshevism.

    And yeah, before the WW2 Estonia was quite backward with an endemic unemployment problem. The Soviets basically built the whole place trying to make it a “showcase of Socialist development and interethnic friendship”. Tallinn was around 50% Russophone back then.

    It is in the train going back from Tallinn to Moscow that I was for the first time exposed to Russian nationalist ideas, a couple of guys from Общество Память were traveling in the same wagon compartment. We got to talk and they started to explain to me what Sovok was all about. It took me decades after that to fully explore this wonderful Rabbit Hole…

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Death
  114. @Dmitry

    I agree with what you wrote. This is also the kind of milieu I grew among in the late Soviet Union. My parents and grandparents had friends of any and all nationalities. If the Soviet experiment went on for a couple of generations more, the melting pot would have been completed. Perhaps I would have myself ended marrying this cute Jewish girl I was playing with as a kid and emigrating to Israel to watch my kids killing Arab children. Thanks goodness the Sovok fall prevented me from something so horrible…

    🙂

  115. @Bashibuzuk

    Jews are smarter than Magyars either. It goes without saying that it’s true of the average. So the smartest Magyars will be way smarter than the Jewish average, and the dumbest Jews way dumber than the ethnic Magyar average. The very smartest Hungarians are probably not dumber than the smartest Jews in Hungary (where there two orders of magnitude more Magyars than Jews), but the very smartest Jews around the world are probably smarter than the smartest Hungarians.

    I don’t necessarily like those facts, but facts they are, whether I like it or not.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  116. @Gerard-Mandela

    What’s your problem with David Hasselhoff? Even if you didn’t like Knight Rider (in itself that should be a crime against humanity!), eating a burger at night must be the coolest thing ever!

    • Replies: @Gerard-Mandela
  117. @Bashibuzuk

    did you know that Russian Federation did not have a local ethnic Russian Communist party? The Communist Party of Soviet Union was good enough for Russian Sovoks, but not for the proud brotherly peoples of the Soviet republics that had each their own ethnic branch of Bolshevism.

    I guess you have already figured it out why it was so, regardless of the Russian nationalistic feelings (or lack thereof) harbored by the top commie leaders (almost exclusively Russian after Stalin).

    Yes, the ethnic communist parties were pretty powerful in their respective fiefdoms. A Russian Communist Party would’ve been too powerful, basically ruling over half the country (and the most important half at that, including the very center), a true rival to the union level Soviet Communist Party.

    The first time the Russian republic got a “local” political center similar to the center of the union was in 1991, when Boris Yeltsin was elected president of Russia. Within six months the USSR was no more.

    Basically a Russian Communist Party would have either destroyed or taken over the center: neither of those were desirable outcomes for the Politburo, so they never even thought about creating such a rival to themselves.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Bashibuzuk
  118. Dmitry says:
    @reiner Tor

    If you were talking about secular Hungarian Jews, there is surely a culture of academic achievement and classical music. Even the borderline criminal Soros, became rich in a profession which probably requires you to be educated academically.

    But I doubt that Mountain Jews would be more academically intelligent on average, than Hungarians; they have still a Caucasian culture more similar to Armenians or Azerbaijans, than to Europeans. And yet this Caucasian nationality (of likely Iranian racial origin) are one of the more overrepresented nationalities among billionaires in Moscow.

    Their social events look like pure Caucasian culture:

    The overrepresentation among the wealthy relative to their small population, probably is less because of academic achievement, but rather that in Moscow there is still a relatively multinational elite in some of the lucrative sectors. Mountain Jews have recently developed wealthy members, mainly because they seem to have a culture of entering the real estate development profession, which has been profitable of the last twenty years in the Moscow area.

  119. @reiner Tor

    top commie leaders (almost exclusively Russian after Stalin)

    Not really. Both Khrushchev and Brezhnev were from Ukraine. Chernenko had a Ukrainian last name (although his defining feature was stupidity, not national origin). Some Russian nationalists explain by Ukrainian origin their actions that eventually led to the self-destruction of the USSR. I don’t think it’s true, but this “theory” is quite popular in Russia.

  120. @Supply and Demand

    “their profoundly ugly women” – thank you my friend, are wisdom

  121. @reiner Tor

    Basically a Russian Communist Party would have either destroyed or taken over the center: neither of those were desirable outcomes for the Politburo, so they never even thought about creating such a rival to themselves.

    Absolutely correct. This is why Russians were in fact the oppressed majority of the Soviet Union: cannon fodder and empire building material. This is also why they were the greatest victims of Sovietization, which worked hard to turn them into Sovoks, while working for korenization in the other republics.

    And it only happened because Russian nation-building was not completed under the Tsarist Empire, while Russian cultural code was weakened by the post-Raskol westernization.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  122. @reiner Tor

    What’s your problem with David Hasselhoff?

    As a singer, selling out stadiums in Germany……THAT is my problem.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  123. @Jaakko Raipala

    The part of the Russian minority that feels oppressed is precisely the part that considers the cornerstones of Russian ethnic identity to be Lenin, Soviet WWII victory, the great achievement of moving peasants to commieblocks…

    I know you and the other pr**k with the morbid username are demented garbage, but it truly takes a scumbag mentality to claim that the generation and group of people who were entirely responsible for Estonia getting it’s “independence” – the vast majority of ethnic Russians who supported the dissolution far more than the contented , weak-minded Estonian “nationalists” who for 40 years were very content and did f**k all to actually “resist” “occupation” – are “ultra-leninists” you decrepit loser.

    Without these Russian people , the independence would not have happened when it did, and certainly not as smoothly as it did you POS.
    Subsequently they got stabbed in the back by these Soros-lowlife “nationalists” (whose last hero BTW was a schizophrenic Russian creep ( Russian mother, Orthodox father) who led the previous fascist pre-ww2 ethno-dictatorship of Estonia) and left USSR with no option but to humanely step into Estonia.

    Get out of my sight.

  124. Dmitry says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Russian nation-building was not completed under the Tsarist Empire, while Russian cultural code

    The great internal problem in Russia of the last century and a half, has been the often lack of long-term political stability. Processes like ideological Westernization and multinational empire building, etc, have been damaging mainly through their negative effects on the political stability.

    Whenever there is a epoch of political stability for a few decades, the country naturally starts to rise to at least internationally average levels.

    Today the government can be multinational bribetakers and thieves, but despite this under Putin there has been a couple of decades of political stability, and as a result the median standard of living in Russia is near the highest it has ever been in history, and most of the objective indicators are at worst converging to internationally average levels. Norwegian or Swiss levels of anti-corruption and competence, are exactly a necessary condition for a country to improve and develop to the average level.

    In the future, Putin should be judged primarily according to how politically stable the country is after him. If the country remains internally stable for some more decades, then peoples’ standards of living will continue to improve at least at a rate which is tracking to the world average. On the other hand, if the country has to return to another sessions of damaging instability, there will be seen as an example of a leader who missed many opportunities for long term state building.

  125. Death says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I was only born a decade later, so I didn’t experience it back then, but it goes against my parents’ (and basically most older people) reports and every common sense. That Soviet Estonia was one of the best places of the Socialist block, there’s no denying. After all, it is expected from Estonians’ relatively high IQ. That is also why I’d expect Estonians to have higher living standards than local Russians (another reason being that the type of Sovoks that came here were mostly from the lower or middle classes).

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    But that it was comparable to the Western countries? The inefficiencies of a planned economy render it impossible to believe.

    It was basically an Apartheid system under the control of the local, ethnic Estonian Communist party.

    The apartheid claim is refutable by the fact that much more Estonians used to speak fluent Russian back then than they do now. As for the local Party, it’s elite was appointed by Moscow, which is where the real sovereignty lies.

    And yeah, before the WW2 Estonia was quite backward with an endemic unemployment problem.

    Quite the contrary, it had a fairly high GDP per capita. (Source: The Cambridge Economic History of Modern Europe: Volume 2, 1870 to the Present)

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  126. @Death

    But that it was comparable to the Western countries?

    Find the World CIA fact book for 1986 and 1988 and read for yourself. A couple of decades ago it was available online, I have no idea if it’s still the case.

    Quite the contrary, it had a fairly high GDP per capita.

    You clearly don’t know what Ireland was like back in 1930ies. It was dirt poor, same about Latvia. Estonia being somewhere around them proves only that Estonia was a shit hole back then. And what industries did it have ? Nothing to brag about. Estonians often found a job as sailors, like Pinoys do today. Latvians were happy when they had some commie family member sending them stuff from the CCCP, that’s how poor they were. It’s all normal of course, because the real smart people over there before the revolution were the Östzee Germans who had their lands nationalized by the “Chuhnya” after the independence. Therefore, just like in Zimbabwe the whole agriculture and industry went down the drain.

    Regarding Apartheid, Sovoks and Estonians, whom Russophones called kurkuli because they were better off, lived in different neighborhoods and did not interact, they had separate schools and avoided each other.

    That is, except when the young drunk Sovoks beat up the living shit out of Estonian dudes and pawed over their chicks. That is why Estonians called the Russophones kurat that is the damned ones and were really afraid of them. It was “brotherhood of peoples” alright, just like in Ulster between the Catholic and the Protestant.

    That’s what I saw with my own eyes in Tallinn.

    Regarding Estonian high IQ, they are intelligent, but not smart. They are linear. Of course, compared to the Sovok rubbish that was sent there to do manual labor, Estonians really appeared as geniuses.

    I see that they did a good work with your generation my friend. These EU moneys have not been spent in vain…

    LOL

  127. @Death

    If Russians had power in Estonia they wouldn’t allow Russian schools to be banned. They wouldn’t allow US occupation troops in their country.

  128. @Gerard-Mandela

    To be honest, I had some vague memories of the issue, but I went to YouTube to check it out. After just ten seconds my ears are bleeding and I barely found the strength to stop the abomination. I mean, it’s wonderful! All my enemies should only listen to this!

    • LOL: Gerard-Mandela
  129. @Percheron

    The single biggest advantage Jews has had was the massive head start in literacy rates and educational levels.

  130. @That Would Be Telling

    This is nonsense. All the other western vaccines have either not fully completed their phase 3 trials, or not published them. The Astra Zenica one went ahead even with significantly lower tested efficacy in over 55 year olds!!??

    Sputnik has done far more to make public their results than all the other vaccines. If Sputnik had the data that the Oxford/AZ vaccine had then not even Eritrea would buy 5 doses from us!

    For vaccines (cracks knuckles) Russia has an extremely bad set of policies where a vaccine gets “registration” based only on Phase I and II trials, which their politicians use to crow about them.

    You are either being ignorant or worse.

    Because the vaccine was derivative from other work ( different to the western created vaccines) they knew it was safe to use – what they did not know at that stage was the efficacy of Sputnik V. Registration was done early because of not just confidence in the vaccine and the knowledge that it was safe….but so that teachers, medical staff and military could start to use it – a completely sensible and moral thing to do, particularly when there is an urgent need for this during a wildscale pandemic and teachers and medics being the most important people to be vaccinated so that the economy can restart.

    If you saw what happened , then you would notice that mass vaccination (i.e general population) was only allowed by the President AFTER Phase 3 trial results were made public……..SEVERAL months after registration .

    If you also properly saw what happened then you would know that Pfizer/Biotech, Moderna and AZ/Oxford secured several 100s of million of preordered doses from foreign governments and their own ones at the time of Phase 1&2. You are simply being brainwashed

    Russia should also limit its crowing

    By “crowing” do you mean saving the lives of our population and many around the world because of successful vaccine……and using it to negotiate deals to export and license the vaccine around the world?

  131. @That Would Be Telling

    Echoing many other comments, how many “spaceports” you operate is a pretty silly metric. You need to spread out your launch pads so the occasional disaster at one doesn’t mess up others, you need to be able to safely launch east and north or south, you need transportation for big objects from factories to the ports, I think that pretty much covers it.

    Sure. All you need to do is to “clap your hands” and there they are, the transportation, the ports, the factories. Oh, yeah, and the big objects, too. LOL.

    Iebreakers are cool and very useful where needed, but Panama for example doesn’t care about them.

    Have you been involved in designing and building a nuclear ice-breaker? Do you know what it takes to build it? Probably not. Than, it’s just one of those “big objects” to you.

    Icebreakers are a good metric to demonstrate Russian technological and industrial capabilities.

    This link let’s you see the two biggest Russian nuclear icebreakers in action.
    Observe how one of them is literally towing another ship through the ice.

    Only lately Russia begins, and not too soon, revealing the know-how behind the Russian military-industrial complex. For instance, take a look at the “Combat Approved” series. It offers an in-depth look at how the cutting edge Russian weaponry is designed, manufactured and operated.

    Here is a link to the Su-35 episode:

    There are literally dozens of other videos, worth watching as well.

    One of the best features of the series is that it reveals so many interesting and new details without being too much concerned for military secrets. The series is a feast for people who appreciate being introduced to some extremely smart know-how.

    The idea behind the “Combat Approved” series is not to show off the weaponry in itself. The intent, rather, is to show Russian technological and industrial capabilities.

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  132. @Simpleguest

    to show Russian technological and industrial capabilities.

    This is not so much about the capabilities, as about the effectiveness of the government. There is no doubt in my mind that the US does have technological and possibly even industrial capabilities at least equal to Russian ones. The only reason the US spends ten times as much money as Russia and gets pathetic results is that the whole US government and MIC structure is about stealing money, not about producing something functional. I am sure there is significant corruption in Russian government and MIC, but in the end maybe 10-15% gets stolen and/or wasted, whereas in the US it is more like 95%. BTW, the US government was degrading long before now, Alzheimer Joe is just an apt symbol of its decline.

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  133. @AnonFromTN

    There is no doubt in my mind that the US does have technological and possibly even industrial capabilities at least equal to Russian ones.

    That is true, without a doubt. This series demonstrates that Russia is on par, technologically, with the US while an order of magnitude more effective.

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