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Second Free Navalny! protest will take place in 10 hours. The location, Lubyanka Square, is an escalation, being adjacent to both the Lubyanka Building that hosts the FSB HQ:

… and the even more critical “regime object” that is the Presidential Administration.

As of the present time, a total of 1,800 people say they are coming on the event’s Facebook page (versus 3,700 who are interested). This is a threefold reduction relative to the previous event where the numbers were 5,300 and 9,700, respectively.

Seven major central streets as well as 7 central metro stations are to be closed off on Sunday. However, the propaganda potential of this for Western hacks is rather muted as much of central Washington D.C. has been made into a no go zone.

My prediction is that there will be considerably fewer people than on January 23, perhaps 7,500/10,000 relative to the previous 15,000/25,000. The police will also be more brusque about breaking it up. There is also a chance that radicals and/or provocateurs will attempt to storm the Presidential Administration, but this is more of a speculative presentiment.

Navalny’s suspended sentence will be turned into an actual one on Feb 2 and subsequent protests will continue dwindling.

 
• Category: Ideology • Tags: Alexei Navalny, Color Revolution, Moscow, Russia 
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  2. Mersaux says:

    Considering the FSB’s track record I expect a lot of the protestors will fall into coma and wake up literally good looking some weeks later.

    • LOL: Svevlad
  3. Passer by says:

    This is an important point in time. If Navalny walks free, then Russians are cucks. If he doesn’t, they are not yet.

    Sanctions are to follow if Navalny does not walk free.

    Additionally on this issue, Russia urgently needs to move away from the West, which is not salvageable. Asia is waiting. Non-western world is waiting.

  4. Exile says:
    @Passer by

    Some of us in the West don’t consider it unsalvageable but Putin & Russia do need to disengage and go their own way while we sort this out.

    The ebil White Supreemises in America and Europe support multipolar geopolitics, respect for national sovereignty and aren’t allergic to muh autarky and pro-social societies – nigh universally.

    I’m not saying #OneStruggle here, but we would make much better partners in co-existence with Russia, China and the rest of the planet than the Love the World, Rape the World neoliberal West today.

    • Replies: @Passer by
  5. The usual. The cops will be attacked just so the protests make it into the western media.

    Why cant the Russian govt just end this embarrassing dog and pony show ? It makes Russia look weaker than it actually is.

    • Agree: Felix Keverich
  6. @Passer by

    Russia hasn’t pushed back against the sanctions. So the US doesn’t even think about it before adding more. A nuclear power shouldn’t accept this. But China is more of a cuck. So that doesn’t help

  7. Passer by says:
    @Exile

    The West is moving towards full blown liberalism, all the metrics are showing that. It is now an infected zombie that has nothing in common with the previous person and is trying to infect others too. Move away from it before it is too late!

    I think you are behind the curve. Move away from the West when you have the time. You are dealing with the world’s smartest people and they targeted you for elimination. Only the combined power of the rest of the planet has the capacity to stop the new USSR being born in the West.

    The Non-West has better immune system to all of it, this where the hope lies.

    • Replies: @216
  8. Passer by says:
    @Paul Holland

    They did, by import substitution and moving towards Asia. The costs for the EU are substantial. A big Rus agri sector and growing non-western trade.

    The US does think about it, this is why there are no SWIFT sanctions. Russia has the power to arm the whole world with high quality weapons and even nuclear weapons. This is a good card.

    Russia destroyed the Old Colonial Empires with weapons support and has the capacity to arm the rest of the world, making it independent from the West. This is a good card to play.

    If the West continues is attack, destroying the NPT regime and getting everybody to have nuclear weapons is a possibillity.

  9. It’s funny watching Westerners get so enthusiastic about this Navalny nonsense, especially when many of them had never even heard of him until about two years ago.

  10. @Passer by

    If Navalny walks free, then Russians are cucks

    If Navalny walks free, then Putin is a cuck. Here, I fixed it for you.

  11. Passer by says:

    If Navalny walks free, then Putin is a cuck. Here, I fixed it for you.

    No, because this is a western attack and you should not fall for it. There is a reason why Putin is causing massive triggerings in the West and they see him even under the bed, causing hysterias about him.

    Whatever his is, he does not agree with the Unipolar World Order, Aka One Ring Rules Them All. He dares to push for a multipolar world over, where you have different systems and cultures and no single power center. This is why he is so hated by western hegemonist circles.

  12. @4Dchessmaster

    You could even argue how many of us Russians have truly heard of this prick Navralny.

    I always knew the “100 million views” for the “investigation” was total BS, but further statistics were released- and after subtracting ukronazis, some Belarusians and deranged 1970’s- 80’s Soviet jew emigrees to the west….. it is actually only 21 million russians who have “watched” this BS, 6 million not even for 30 seconds! …. and 12 million not even into the third minute. So that is the majority of people haven’t even watched it but forced to display the video on their device accidentally because of the way YouTube has manipulated the promotion of the video .

    For the entire 110 minutes it is only pitiful 3 million people who have watched this. You have to say allegedly though because a huge amount of these “views” are definitely bots. Then there is the section of normal people in the last few days who have watched it only after extensive talk on it in newspapers, federal channels, radio etc just to see the “argument” and what all the noise is about…. not because they are hamster moron Navalny incel freaks.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  13. The opposition doesn’t seem very hyped this time. The protests from last week were smaller than what they had wanted.

  14. Ludwig says:

    Incidentally, reading that “Putin’s Palace” is an incomplete shell that’s 5-6 years away from being completed. And a billionaire – admittedly close to the Kremlin – has said he’s the majority owner and wanted to turn it into some sort of apartment-hotel (?)

    So perhaps someone can clarify: How does this square with the allegations in Navalny’s video? I believe at least some of the images – eg Putin swimming – were admittedly photoshopped but where did all the lavish interiors shots come from? And if true that this “palace” is under construction, would the makers of the video be liable for misleading the public?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  15. 216 says:
    @Passer by

    We are an anti-immigration movement, yet we do not take our own advice.

    The Hong Kong liberals best chance of retaining democracy lies in staying put.

    Perhaps it is the same for the Dissident Right

    • Replies: @Exile
  16. Beckow says:

    …The police will also be more brusque about breaking it up.

    That’s the point. The exercises will continue until the brusqueness will be hard to watch. If the police holds back, they might help them along. It has been done before.

    It is easy to understand all sides to this conflict, except one. They all behave as they should: police, government, behind-the-scene sponsors, “journalists“, except for the demonstrators. I don’t get them, are they protesting out of ennui? What are the rational goals that can be achieved marching for an obvious fraud, challenging a hardened state that has no place to retreat, in sub-zero weather and with ‘rona hysteria to make any action by authorities excusable? Who goes for odds that low? How do the sponsors convince them? Russian stubbornness seems almost medieval.

    • Replies: @Californian Candidate
  17. Dreadilk says:

    Reports out of their far east is that there is much less of them. 50 to 100 for the big cities there. Weather is really not conducive to protests…

    Also when numbers are falling police can afford to use kid gloves. When numbers are growing is when you have to escalate. You guys worrying about soft police need to understand that the first protest was weak. It is counter intuitive but there is a time when it’s better to use kid gloves during the first time they come out. It’s also complimented by vigorous work behind the scenes by arresting the visible ones before and after the protest.

  18. @4Dchessmaster

    Yep, they are all jumping on this bandwagon of enthusiasm. When asked why, the answer is always a variation of “well, he’s standing up to Putin.” Supporting anyone who is anti-Putin is a no-brainer in the mind of an average westerner.

  19. @4Dchessmaster

    It’s funny watching liberal Western media crying about Navalny’s arrest while gloating about American dissidents being arrested for four-year old memes or putting their feet up on a desk.

    • Agree: tyrone, Realist
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  20. @Beckow

    I’ve wonder that myself. But every time I visit Russia and talk to people, I get the sense that certain people (young and old) just genuinely hate Putin. Why? Take your pick. It’s always easy to hate any leader, even when much good has been accomplished.

    Some have told me they are tired of seeing his face on tv every day for the last two decades. Some complained about low salaries or low pensions. Some complained about corruption and wealth/income inequality. For some Putin is too much of a patriot and should end the Cold War 2.0 with the west (e.g. returning Crimea). For others Putin is not enough of a patriot and has sold his soul to liberals whose fiscal and monetary policies suppress the country’s true economic potential.

    The list goes on and on. There may also be a generational divide (I’d have to see some polls). Younger = more anti-Putin, while older people remember just how chaotic the 90’s were and appreciate some law and order. He can’t please everyone. The haters see no better option than to go “medieval” as you put it.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  21. Is there any other credible explanation for what happened to Navalny than that it was attempted murder by authorities?

  22. @Ludwig

    I think the part about it being a hotel is a lame cope. It’s clearly a prospective Putin residence outdecked with hardened natsec C&C components.

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/38876/putin-has-created-the-ultimate-bond-villain-lair

    You don’t built a luxury hotel with 16 storeys of underground facilities, LOL. Putler should just own it and proclaim it as his – Gelendzhik sounds cool along with Yamantau and Kosmentau.

  23. @Anatoly Karlin

    Maybe the best damage control would be to plant rumors about it being a high tech military/intelligence facility. It’s probably not that far from the truth. Russians are much happier with money being spent on national security than luxury palaces. It potentially ruins some secrecy but I doubt the location itself was chosen to be secret.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  24. @Shortsword

    I believe natsec would demand that it stay deniable.

  25. @Anatoly Karlin

    He should have built it as a maximum security presidential palace from the very beginning, then arranged something for it to become the residence of the elderly leaders and statesmen when they retire. He could then retire there peacefully to enjoy his wine-making hobby. Everyone would have understood this and actually supported it.

    But this would have also meant more accountability for the funding and spending. That’s why they preferred to keep it (an open) secret: to allow his cronies deriving an additional income (as if they didn’t have enough and needed more money anyway). With Putin’s circle it’s always “MOAR”, perhaps Shoigu is an exception : he doesn’t look obsessed with the ostentatious displays of wealth. But Shoigu is not from the Ozero Cooperative anyway, he’s from the “Yeltsin’s Family” circle. These people are more opaque about their wealth. Chubais also is not obsessed with flexing his riches, he’s always about power.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  26. @Anatoly Karlin

    Your “source” shows the fake pictures that I have seen before. All interiors are renderings, that is, photoshop-like creations. It’s hard to take it seriously when they photoshopped a room for slot machines. They mixed up their anti-Putin stereotypes with their anti-East European stereotypes. (Not even anti-Russian, since slot machines have been banned for a decade, from 99% of Russia.)

    Why would a private citizen need 16 levels of underground facilities? Only a state would be able to guard, feed, bring power / heat / water to people hiding there, if an event calling for such deep hiding occurs. I would think even gold would be worthless at that time, so private servants would be fleeing thousands of kilometers away.

    But it can’t be a state fortress either, because it’s at the border, in a vulnerable place. I believe the sixteen floors are just as bullshit as the rest of the article. If Russians believe such crap, you are doomed.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  27. @Erik Sieven

    A provocation by his Western backers, same who use Bellingcat. Maria Pevchikh was probably the one tasked with it.

    • Agree: AnonfromTN
  28. @Californian Candidate

    That’s the problem with all “personalized ” regimes. People start to associate all the achievements and all the failures with the leader. When people become insatisfied for whatever reason, they blame the leader. If the leader is replaced with someone else, the system can avoid reforms. This is what Putin and his circle should do if they are smart : bring a younger, more energetic and ruthless leader. But Putin’s close circle, the Ozero Cooperative people and their retenue, will lose their privileges. That is why they keep Putin hanging on. Putin has said several times that he was tired. I am pretty sure he would go if he qas assured that the interests of his friends would be respected under an updated regime.

  29. @Bashibuzuk

    The top 200 wealthiest rossiyane have something like $500B (probably more now) in wealth. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/russian-billionaires-2017/

    How much do the Ozero coop have in combined assets? I would be surprised if it was $50B. (For instance, Rotenberg, one of the key bagmen, is estimated to have $3B). For all intents and purposes these are negligible sums relative to the actual Russian oligarchy created by the 1990s privatizations, all the more so since they are sometimes marshalled for important state projects (e.g. the Crimean Bridge).

    While it’s natural for Western supremacists to focus exclusively upon the “Ozero Coop” while championing Khodorkovsky etc., it raises many more questions when putative “nationalists” and “Russophiles” do it.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  30. @Dacian Julien Soros

    Well the alternative explanation would be that more than $1B was sunk into a crumbling, non-functioning ruin, which would actually reflect upon Putin and his friends much worse than the alternative explanation. (Incompetence is worse than corruption).

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk, reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  31. @Anatoly Karlin

    For all intents and purposes these are negligible sums relative to the actual Russian oligarchy created by the 1990s privatizations

    I completely agree with you about this. That is why I answered JL that for me Putin is “Yeltsin 2.0 “. The major part of wealth is under the management of the “Family” and the “Chubais circle”. In fact I wouldn’t even consider these oligarchic clans as owners of the wealth, they are more of trusted associates “смотрящие” tasked with managing Russian affairs.

    it raises many more questions when putative “nationalists” and “Russophiles” do it.

    Quite simple: if one wishes for the maximum Russian independence, competence and power projection ability, then one wants the parasites gone. Russia needs someone more energetic and ruthless than Putin to truly bring back what was lost and rebuild what was broken.

    Tough times ahead, Putin is not enough to face them.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @Sinotibetan
  32. These protests are a joke, IDK why are you paying them so much attention. Slow news days? Why not reflect on Putins Davos speech.

    Stalker Zone killed it with the OP

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/munich-esque-davos/

    Either way, this is as interesting and meaningful as watching grass grow.

  33. melanf says:

    In St. Petersburg, the police received reinforcements to fight the protests

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  34. @melanf

    BTW I read Cetopolis on your recommendation and it’s good. Thanks.

  35. @Bashibuzuk

    Idealist, Russias power projection ability is incredibly high, for the size of its economy and population.

    Oligarchs should be dealt with, but only after the USA is down for good. I very much believe that the great Satan will implode in the 2030s or 40s. So till then Russia must just survive and stand on its ground. Then its time to deal once and for all with oligarchs, and especially with the near abroad.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Sinotibetan
  36. @AltanBakshi

    It’s not US against Russia. It’s one (major?) part of global elite against everyone who don’t fit with their agenda. USA might well experience major perturbations in the coming years, it would not make Russia any good.

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  37. @Bashibuzuk

    I agree that Putin is probably not as ruthless or energetic to counter an ever belligerent West but he is the best that Russia has , for now. And the West is decaying before our eyes. All the powers of Western imperium are based on civilizational values their current elites repudiate. Once the internal rot reaches a critical mass, probably within the next 2 to 3 decades, the West will lose their hegemony. It’s not yet time to be confrontational with the West, no rival power can match the USA.

    I don’t really agree that Putin is Yeltsin 2.0 in the sense that at least Putin is not as dysfunctional as Yeltsin. If he were a Yeltsin 2.0, Russia would be even worse off by now and the West would have hailed him a “democrat” and Russia will be declared a state that finally “embraced Western values and norms”( ie pure vassalage). There would be no
    need for any “Free Navalny” so called “protest”.

    Having said that, I have to admit that although I remain cautiously optimistic for Russia to hold the ford while waiting for a full bloom Western internal rot, your reasons for “pessimism” have merit.

  38. @Bashibuzuk

    The global elite that wants to rule the world , in my opinion, is in control of USA and the EU. they may not be monolithic, even have internal squabbles for power, but they share some common views of the future. They have usurped power in the West and use Western imperial might to crush any rival regimes deemed as obstacles to their interests. In that sense, it is USA (and allies/vassals) against Russia( or China or other ‘ stubborn’ regimes).
    Perturbations in USA and EU might do Russia some good – that’s away with too much Russian liberal influence and destabilization within Russia ( thanks to support and instigation by the West) and time to sweep the house clean and concentrate on nation building. Too much energy is wasted warding off unsolicited interference by Washington and Brussels at the moment.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  39. @Sinotibetan

    I don’t really agree that Putin is Yeltsin 2.0 in the sense that at least Putin is not as dysfunctional as Yeltsin.

    Exactly. Yeltsin would probably not have intervened in Georgia/Donbass, gotten Crimea, improved the armed forces, etc. Putin, for all his many faults, has found a way to balance competing elite interests, has enforced rule of law on the common people, and has improved Russia’s overall geopolitical position (in realpolitik measures) in the world. I can’t say the same for Yeltsin. That being said, Putin has failed to change the power structure set up by Yeltsin, but he has been a net positive for the country unlike Yeltsin.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi, Sinotibetan
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  40. @AltanBakshi

    I couldn’t tap ‘agree’ because of lack of comments. Agree with your views. Russia and other countries who do not approve of Western supremacy should just hold their ground and survive while waiting for inevitable Western decline. And start wresting the minds of their youths from Western propaganda …. This is one of Putin’s weaknesses. He failed in this one.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  41. @Anatoly Karlin

    As much as I doubt the Council / Slot Machine Room and the 16 floors underground, I doubt any price listed by your sources. I am not saying we must listen to Putin, but your source is transparently lying.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  42. @Sinotibetan

    We should understand that the future envisioned by the global elite is a future without distinct nations or cultures. They want a well controlled world-system managed in a way to bring it in balance with the capacity of the biosphere to renew itself. They actually want to ensure the long term survival of the human species by culling the herds and preventing the Singularity, while also holding a tight control on any emerging technologies.

    The future envisioned by the global elite is entirely compatible with the Chinese model, in fact arguably they want to emulate the same model in the West. But before they do that, the Western cultural codes should be weakenef through a cultural revolution. Just like the Han Chinese cultural code has been weakened through Maoist cultural revolution.

    Therefore, any analysis based on “nations”, “religions”, “cultures” is somewhat outdated. And I write this as a nationalist and a great admirer of Alain de Benoist. I write it with a certain amount of sadness…

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  43. @Dacian Julien Soros

    It’s not about how much it really costs, but how much might have been embezzled. Think Sochi Olympics scale embezzlement.

    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  44. @Sinotibetan

    Thank you my friend!

    And start wresting the minds of their youths from Western propaganda …. This is one of Putin’s weaknesses. He failed in this one.

    Its very hard for a country with the population size of Russia, to develop somekind of cultural autarchy, especially when geographically Europe is so near and Beijing is so far, at least for most Russians.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  45. @AltanBakshi

    Russian cultural codes have been weakened, sometimes brutally, since the Raskol times. It took 400 years to bring Russia into the state in which it is today, that is acute cultural weakness and identity confusion.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  46. @Bashibuzuk

    You are a non pragmatist dreamer. Lets analyze your logic, you think that theres something like genuine Russianness or Chineseness, which was weakened or destroyed by different historical incidents or leaders. If we follow your line of thought we can claim that Ivan IV already weakened traditional Russian culture, with his centralization and oprichina, after all he did his very best in destruction of local identities and traditional nobility, if we go further we can say that Mongols destroyed the traditional Russian values, if we go even further we can claim such humbug, that it was the Christianity which destroyed the primordial or original characteristics of the Rus people. In my opinion, this logic you employ, is utterly silly.

    Less thinking of permanent fixed states or phenomena, more thinking of processes without beginning and end.

    If you think about cultural inferiority complex in relation with the West, that is shared by almost all educated Slavs, Chinese and Indians, even if they dont want to acknowledge it, so Russia is not so unique as you think. Its quite widespread and subconsciously present problem almost everywhere in the third world. Again one good point why Russians are POC.

    All that glisters is not gold—
    Often have you heard that told.
    Many a man his life hath sold
    But my outside to behold.
    Gilded tombs do worms enfold.
    Had you been as wise as bold,
    Young in limbs, in judgment old,
    Your answer had not been inscrolled
    Fare you well. Your suit is cold

  47. @AltanBakshi

    Less thinking of permanent fixed states or phenomena, more thinking of processes without beginning and end.

    This makes everything distinct irrelevant. It all becomes an all encompassing process in the end. A kind of monism. So why should we care about ethnic, cultural or religious differences at all in the end?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  48. @Bashibuzuk

    How come the only sources for Putinist embezzlement happen to be the same Western propaganda tools? After 2020, how can you still believe anything you read in the official Western press?

    “Dmitry Kozak, deputy prime minister in charge of Olympic preparations, has argued that the $51 billion number is misleading. Only $6 billion of that is directly Olympics-related, he says; the rest has gone to infrastructure and regional development the state would have carried out anyway. That may be true, though it’s hard to imagine the Russian government building an $8.7 billion road and railway up to the mountains without the Games.”

    NYC and Boston have spent 2 billons each for three additional subway stations. SF is spending one billion on an extension with 3 tram stations. Have they no shame? The NYC subway was running two blocks away already. Infrastructure for me, not for thee. High bills from my contractors, not yours.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  49. @AltanBakshi

    Many British people have a cultural inferiority complex with mainland Europe, believe it or not. Many British people would regard Russians and Slavs generally as more cultured, more civilised and better educated than themselves.

    So this works both ways really, the idea that most British people look down on Slavs as culturally inferior third worlders is far from the truth. I would not describe Britain is a culturally self-confident country these days. The prevailing mentality amongst the middle and upper class British is that there is no one more uncivilised and uncouth than the working class British, desparagingly referred to as “chavs”. Think “gopnik” but said with even more venom and hatred.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
    , @AltanBakshi
  50. @Kent Nationalist

    It’s funny watching liberal Western media crying about Navalny’s arrest while gloating about American dissidents being arrested for four-year old memes or putting their feet up on a desk.

    That, too. The West has become self-parody. While Obama’s Nobel peace prize was a farce, nomination of BLM bandits is a sick joke. I think Putin wants to look better than the Empire, not in the eyes of the vassals (those are blind, anyway), but in the eyes of 4/5th of the world made of non-vassals, or countries where a tiny compradore elite wants to serve the Empire, whereas 95% of the population hates imperial guts, like Latin America.

    Also, considering how pathetically puny those “protests” are, Putin can afford to treat them with kids gloves. That creates a strong contrast with brutality of “liberal” imperial elites, who are anything but liberal. Internally, these protests appear ridiculous. Most people see “protesters” as escaped mental institution inmates, feeling a mix of contempt, disgust, and pity. For the world they look like an illustration of humane nature of alleged “authoritarian” state, in contrast to ruthless brutality of self-appointed “democracies”.

  51. @Dacian Julien Soros

    I don’t believe anything I read either in Russian or Western MSM. They both lie. RT or CNN, both are propaganda tools. We live in a post-Truth world.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Levtraro
  52. @Bashibuzuk

    RT or CNN, both are propaganda tools.

    While this is true in general, there is a difference how much you need to lie when you are OK with 2×2=4, or when you claim that 2×2=5.5. A simple example: Ukies need to lie a lot more than LDNR, even though I don’t doubt that LDNR leadership would stoop to lies whenever they feel the need.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  53. @AnonfromTN

    To try to find a semblance of truth about anything important today, one needs to go through different opposing sources of information and then try to make a synthesis of the opposing narratives.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
  54. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    If you think about cultural inferiority complex in relation with the West, that is shared by almost all educated Slavs, Chinese and Indians, even if they dont want to acknowledge it, so Russia is not so unique as you think. Its quite widespread and subconsciously present problem almost everywhere in the third world. Again one good point why Russians are POC.

    This is strange though, for most educated Westerners Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Chekov are cultural reference points on a level with Shakespeare, Ibsen, Goethe, Homer etc. as being amongst the greatest European writers. The Tsars still retain a reputation as being amongst the most splendid monarchs in Europe, the Soviet Army in its heyday as one of the most powerful and developed European militaries and so on. This kind of cultural recognition doesn’t fit easily with the POC label, though maybe it is more prevalent among people who are old enough to remember something of the period before the fall of the USSR, when ‘Russia’ was the other great superpower.

  55. Coconuts says:
    @Europe Europa

    Many British people have a cultural inferiority complex with mainland Europe, believe it or not. Many British people would regard Russians and Slavs generally as more cultured, more civilised and better educated than themselves.

    You come across people who give this impression but I wonder how genuine it is, because there is this trait among some progressive British middle class people of denigrating Britain and British culture and ostentatiously showing respect and consideration for other countries and peoples as a way of criticising things they don’t like in their own.

    But, as I wrote in my comment above, wealthy and powerful figures from the pre-1917 Russian Empire, they would show unfeigned respect to and have actual interest in (you see this a fair bit with the Romanovs), the KGB was genuinely respected and feared as an intelligence agency etc. In some way you can see this in books and cultural publishing, there was a healthy interest in books about many aspects of the Soviet Union and people would study them to measure Western institutions against them and learn new things. This was in the 1945-1980s period, pre-glasnost.

  56. @Bashibuzuk

    That’s exactly what we did in the USSR. You just need to figure out what the interests of the source’s owner(s) are, so that you can determine what’s untrustworthy 100%, what’s 50%, or what is likely to be the truth, or at least close to it.

    Except now you can’t assume that anything is too big to be a lie: lies can be colossal. Like, according to the Western MSM before Islamist bandits were kicked out of Aleppo, it had more hospitals than the entire world, all of which were bombed for the umpteenth time by Russia and Syrian government. Have you heard about Aleppo hospitals after that? Not a squeak. Or how much have you heard about Darfur in the last few years? Used to be a headliner in every libtard MSM some time ago. Now – deafening silence.

    As a biologist, I can tell you this: nature gave us two eyes for a reason, you can’t see the reality with just one.

    • Agree: Jazman, AltanBakshi
  57. Dmitry says:
    @Sinotibetan

    Of course Putin can be viewed as both “Yeltsin 2.0” and “anti-Yeltsin”.

    Putin was installed, and has succeeded in, protecting and stabilizing an elite that significantly developed from a chaotic re-distribution of the economy in the early 1990s. Putin’s main internal effect will be judged – to stabilize and consolidate the results of the revolutionary years, and now leave impossible a “Bourbon Restoration” that could undo the main results of a chaos, or prosecute those responsible or beneficiaries of it.

    On the other hand, Putin is successful in consolidating a system and creating political stability, partly because he is anti-Yeltsin, and adequate in many ways that Yeltsin was inadequate as President – for example, in the level of his image management which is important for centrist leader and for restoring confidence in a country. (Yeltsin was losing control of himself in his 60s).

    In terms of external policy, Putin inherited the project of Primakov, but unlike in the 1990s, there is a lot more stable power behind it.

    Ideologically, Putin follows the aims of the external policy of Yeltsin’s second term. This is known as the second phase of Yeltsin’s external policy, that followed the infamously “naively pro-Western” first phase under Andrey Kozyrev.

    However, with Putin, it is an opposite to Yeltsin’s second term, in terms of effectiveness. Primakov only achieved an ideological re-orientation – but his confrontation with the USA was limited to gestures; while in the years of Putin’s presidency they actually succeeded to follow part of the ideology, sometimes with positive results, including the restoration of Crimea. So, Putin follows the “doctrine of Primakov” of Yeltsin’s second term, but has been able to achieve something successful with it, which is the opposite of Yeltsin.


    *In my opinion, consolidating an imperfect mess, is still likely usually to be a positive achievement in political history. When you are shifting on the bed trying to sleep, and if you even roll into an uncomfortable position; that’s bad, but – at some point it is better to stay still and settle.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Thanks: Sinotibetan, AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @sudden death
  58. @Bashibuzuk

    I too am a nationalist but I am not a citizen of China and I am definitely a Russophile. Despite me being ‘anti Western’, I am a ‘Europhile’ too. It’s sad thinking of the inevitable destruction of Western Europe. I already mourn it because I am sure it will happen. It’s too late for Western Europe. Hence I hardly pay attention to nationalists or conservatives in Western Europe anymore – their politicians have failed them miserably and will continue doing so because the infection is far too widespread. The only question left is when the crunch happens, will the native Western Europeans survive and rebuild Phoenix-like or be subsumed by the hordes of Muslims and Sub Saharan African swarms and totally lose their identities? That’s why, once the pandemic ends, I will resume visiting Europe to catch a glimpse of their dying civilizations before the end comes.

    However, I am (cautiously) optimistic that Russia will be able to survive and withstand the onslaught. The next 1 or 2 decades Russia would see intense ‘attacks’ using Western soft power by a West that’s gone totally insane. That is as long as Putin holds and future Russian leaders continue a policy of relative independence.

    As for China, I do not have any particular liking for Xi or the Communist Party. However, I think the majority (or if not, a significant segment) of Chinese (in China) are rediscovering Han culture, albeit oftentimes only superficially. Even I myself, who cannot read Chinese letters and not really that immersed in Han culture, am an ethnocentric. And even if these Chinese political elites have similar modes of thought like their Western globalist counterparts, they will soon be or are already rivals. The Chinese model is still too ethnocentric for the Western globalist. The Western globalist, in my opinion, was partially borned out of their experience with the American model. It’s like recreating the world in America’s image.

    I don’t think analyses based on nations, cultures or religions are outdated. In fact the opposite is true, these utopian globalist ideals will unleash religious and ethnocultural clashes in their insane attempts to ‘homogenize’ humanity. These globalists underestimate the emotional component of humanity, the ones we have towards our own ethnic kin, to our own civilizations, and perhaps to a lesser degree in more secular countries, to religion. I think many in the West, especially those in middle and upper class, live in their own bubbles. That’s why they like all those globalist ideals of cultural equivalency, or the ‘non reality’ of ethnicity and all these gibberish. The rest of the world have always been race-aware and culture-aware. Where I live, a multiracial country, I am being discriminated based on my race. So, we are very race aware here. It’s just not reached critical mass in Western Europe to see this manifest, when non Western minorities reach significant numbers that they will be even more assertive to usurp control. Then we shall see the ethnic clashes, the religious clashes(by Islamofascists vs non Muslims ) happen in European soil…and prove the hubris of globalist ideals.

  59. @Sinotibetan

    Then we shall see the ethnic clashes, the religious clashes(by Islamofascists vs non Muslims ) happen

    This is only one possible scenario. This will happen in European countries where Islamic leaders are Koran-thumping morons. Where Islamic leaders have any brains, they would capitalize on the fact that the views of Muslims and a large majority of Europeans on gender are very similar. Both detest perverts of all stripes. So, smarter Islamic leaders would first unite with normal Europeans against libtard agenda and libtards themselves, and only after those abominations are eliminated, they would try pushing Islamic agenda as such. If they do it softly enough and make their Islamic rules less savage, they might avoid clashes altogether. Many Europeans would see any force that rids them of libtards as worthy of allying with.

    The next 1 or 2 decades Russia would see intense ‘attacks’ using Western soft power by a West that’s gone totally insane.

    It might take less than two decades. Libtards are ruining the countries they “conquered” pretty fast. Take the US. Not so long ago they’ve installed a senile puppet as president. Since then they managed to deliver two serious blows to the US military in less then two weeks. First, they’ve installed Raytheon board member as Sec Defense, even though his only “qualification” is politically correct skin color. Second, they removed restrictions on trannies serving in the military, which arguably would degrade the US military capabilities even more. So, the Empire and its bootlickers would be lucky to survive as a force to recon with another decade.

    I agree that all Russia needs to do is isolate itself from zombies as much as possible and survive as a sovereign country. But Russia must not depend on Putin: ten years from now he’d be as old as corrupt senile Joe. I see the lack of an obvious successor as the gravest problem.

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  60. AKAHorace says:
    @Sinotibetan

    I think many in the West, especially those in middle and upper class, live in their own bubbles. That’s why they like all those globalist ideals of cultural equivalency, or the ‘non reality’ of ethnicity and all these gibberish.

    That is partly true. Another important reason in status. Arguing that you are anti-racist/woke has become a performance that people do to show that they are virtuous. People are not thinking “is this idea true ?” but “will saying this show that I am less racist than everyone else ?”. This is why wokeness gets steadily crazier, it is an unending competition.

    I am guessing that you are in Malaysia. Forgive me if you don’t want to answer.

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  61. @Sinotibetan

    I agree with much of what you wrote.

    One minor detail though ; as AnonFromTn wrote above, Islamists might perhaps be intelligent enough to engage into a fight for traditional values along the more conservative Westerners. It is quite probable that at least a fraction of the Islamists (Sufis perhaps) will be intelligent enough to do this.

    Another minor detail ; I believe that despite their obvious hubris, the people, who work towards advancing and deepening the globalization agenda, are rational. That is, they have a logic justifying their actions. It is important to keep in mind that despite all craziness and absurdity we witness around on daily basis, these people are not cartoonish vilains. It is important to at least try to understand why they are acting the way they do.

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  62. Navalny is an agent of a relentlessly hostile power, the USA, intent on breaking Russia up into numerous powerless statelets, as they did to the USSR under mega-Quisling Yeltsin. He must go down for treason, and bad acting.

  63. @Paul Holland

    The sanctions aid Russia. They push Russia to self-reliance, reciprocal sanctions on the Euro running-dogs hurt them and it opens Russian eyes to Western perfidy, they push Russia towards the largest economy on Earth, by far, China, and the treachery of the opportunists who would sell out their fellows for a few scraps from the Western Bosses’ High Table.

  64. @Gerard.Gerard

    Every word, every punctuation mark, every inference in Western MSM reports concerning Russia is pure 100% totalitarian Groupthink bull-dust, peddled by presstitute liars and hypocrites whose popularity even in the West rivals that of paedophiles and real estate agents (with apologies to both groups).

  65. @AnonfromTN

    Interesting.
    A few issues for the scenario of Islamic leaders allying with Europeans who detest perverts :-

    1. It’s possible only if these Islamic leaders also remove their quest to Islamize Europe. In my opinion, Islam is ‘religio-political’ to most of its religious clerics. These clerics ultimately not only want some political power but ALL political power. It’s totalitarian. Even if they initially ally with conservative non Muslim Europeans, they will turn on their allies in no time. In the end it is Muslim Ummah vs Kaffir(‘infidels’) + Murtads(ex-Muslims or Muslim ‘apostates’ ). Convert Dar al Harb Europe to Dar al Islam Europe. Ultimately the aim of most Islamic clerics, if they truly follow their faith :is total submission of any indigenous civilization to Islam, no ifs or buts. Dislike for sex perverts is only one aspect of Islam, and one that their leaders can compromise with libtards if libtards allow them access to infiltrate Western societies for proselytizing purposes and/ or ultimate control by demographic replacement.
    To be fair about this point, will paste here Islam friendly and Islam unfriendly websites for your perusal.

    2 websites which are ‘Islam friendly’

    https://www.brown.edu/Departments/Joukowsky_Institute/courses/islamiccivilizations/7968.html#:~:text=Dar%20al-Islam%20designates%20a,lands%20ruled%20by%20non-believers.

    https://www.learnreligions.com/dar-al-harb-vs-dar-al-islam-250224

    An Islam unfriendly website
    https://www.politicalislam.com/political-islam-totalitarian-doctrine/

    2. To most Muslim clerics and laity, Western libtards and ‘Regressives’ (that’s what I call ” Progressives”) are already better political allies than conservative Europeans or Americans. These moralistic arguments by libtards for diversity /anti discrimination against minorities actually work in Islamists favour of insidious takeover . They can always play victim to get their way in the West enabled by those white libtard elites. They can get away with all kinds of things conservative whites can never get away with based on libtard sensitivity to ‘discrimination of the oppressed’. Moreover libtards will weaken traditional European values and morality, weaken national cohesion of the indigenous Europeans and when sufficiently weakened, ripe for total domination. Win win for power hungry politically aware Muslim clerics in the West. The libtard, to these type of Muslim clerics, is just means to an end. Once the achieve their goal of subjugation, they can discard these libtard easy peasy.

    I think America’s downfall will not be as bad as Western Europe. It will still be a great power but more Latin Americanized, more corrupt, huge disparity between elites (who could be mostly whites and Jews) and the lower classes, a kind of Brazil or Latin America with nukes.

    Agree with you on Russia and Putin. Hopefully Putin starts/has started grooming some successor without anyone (including the said successor) being aware of it.

    *I live in a Muslim predominant country where racial supremacism of the majority race is government policy and Islam is used for political aims(mixed with racial supremacism). I really understand the meaning of ‘dhimmitude’ , living as one. Just so that everyone knows my background and why I am negative on Islam. I always think white libtards are living in a bubble and their moralism is detached from reality.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
  66. @Bashibuzuk

    I replied AnonFromTN. Partly explains my point of view about Islam.
    Yes, perhaps Sufi Muslims may become an ally but I think the other conservative Sunni factions are in ascendant, don’t think these ultra conservatives are fond of Sufis that much. I am sorry if it appeared that I painted Islam as ‘monolithic’ when it is not so.
    The odds of majority conservative Muslim groups now in Western Europe forming political allies with conservative Europeans is remote, in my opinion.

    I agree with you that these libtards/globalist elites are not cartoonist villains and irrational. I think, at least for those of them(perhaps their lay Apologists, some who also comment in this blog) who feel a strong moral obligation to promote ‘diversity’, ‘cultural equivalence’, ‘pro Islam’ ‘pro black/”people of color” etc, theirs is a reaction to the after affects of previous Western European colonial empires that brought disparate ethnic groups separated by centuries into proximity in their multiracial colonies and successor states. Especially white libtards, makes them feel good to disparage their own heritage and civilization, being so apologetic to blacks or even Muslims almost to the point of worship! My reaction is in the opposite direction of theirs, in my opinion. They have utopian ideals, thinking with their policies they can bend human nature for a one world so homogenized that there will be ‘peace’. To them, traditional European civilizations are an obstacle to their virtuous cause and thus should be deconstructed. Whereas I think that kind of Idealism is self destructive and counter productive. I have a negative view of humanity and despite being somewhat an idealist myself, shun any ‘over Idealism’ in politics. Race differences, cultural differences, some maybe even better than others are real. The fact that different ethnic groups and religious groups can have ulterior motives and subjugate others are real. Wars will never end because it’s innate within humanity. I do understand them somewhat but I wish to wake them up from unreachable dreams with their Idealisms. Sometimes I feel so exasperated explaining to them with the hope that they wake up and face reality.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
  67. @AKAHorace

    I agree with you about this wokeness competition – it is predominant in the West but it sure has infected the youths and those more intellectually inclined in my own community. I think wokeness and its polar opposite, racial supremacism, is like 2 sides of the same coin, extreme reactions to living in multiracial societies in the aftermath of previous European colonialism.
    This wokeness is an unbalanced , unfair and (mentally) unhealthy position that downplays anything good about European civilizations’ achievements while emphasizing only the negative and deleterious ones. At the same time, with their preferred ‘groups’ especially blacks, LBGTQ, Islamic world, woke people will somehow overrate these groups’ achievements /lack of it and downplay their negatives,or have apologetics for them.
    If I tell them that whites/European civilizations developed science and mathematics beyond that of all other civilizations, including mine(the Chinese), I will be labeled a ‘white worshiper’ or they will try to ‘prove’ otherwise but this is the truth. Why must we deny the truth? That European classical music reach aesthetic pinnacles that other civilizations fail to achieve, that’s also true. There are some aspects of my own culture and civilization that did achieve some sophistication almost if not the same level as the Europeans did but we all ‘lost’ out in science and maths that brought us into this modern Era. That’s one of my pet peeve with wokeness. So fearful of being called racists, they rather deny the truth. Really sad.

    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  68. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don’t believe anything I read either in Russian or Western MSM. They both lie. RT or CNN, both are propaganda tools. We live in a post-Truth world.

    Not believing anything is foolishly childish and that part about post-truth world is just a worn-out cliché. Not all propaganda are equal, some propagandists have it easy because what they are propagandizing about is closer to the truth.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  69. @Dmitry

    …and adequate in many ways that Yeltsin was inadequate as President – for example, in the level of his image management which is important for centrist leader and for restoring confidence in a country

    At least some parts of that image management seem to be crumbling right now, e.g. Putin always liked to cultivate his fake image as some ascetic ruler devoid of luxuries and even recently was pretending to publicly lecture his own oligarchs not to flaunt the wealth (“need to remember in what kind of country we live”) – this is also why Navalny has been succesfully targeting the theme of Putins own “Yanukovich style” wealth vs. fake official image of modesty:

    • Replies: @Dmitry
    , @Gerard-Mandela
  70. Levtraro says:
    @Sinotibetan

    It’s sad thinking of the inevitable destruction of Western Europe. I already mourn it because I am sure it will happen. It’s too late for Western Europe.

    I read a lot like that here yet I don’t see it that way. Europe and the West are in demographic, economic and cultural decline but they are at the same time standing on magnificent achievements and nothing has changed so radically as to already see the end coming. There is one apparently irreversible development here in western Europe, migration from North and Sub-Saharan Africa. All the other negative demographic developments and cultural trends are easliy reversible. As for the apparently irreversible trend, solutions will come about naturally.

    • Agree: Yevardian
    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
    , @Yevardian
  71. @Bashibuzuk

    Things do not exist as one, they exist dependently, something like Russianness does not exist by its own power, but only in contrast or relation to something else, things are not defined by their own nature, but by their dependent nature.

    Dependent existence of phenomena is not equivalent with oneness of phenomena, nor it is with the nothingness of phenomena, both are impossible modes of existence, not in accordance with the logic and behaviour of our reality. Things do not exist permanently in some state because they are dependent, things do not annihilate, because there is no non-existence in our reality, nothing annihilates out of our reality, that something exists separately as itself or doesnt exist at all, are just illusions, partly created by our language, Wittgenstein understood this, but the problem goes much deeper than the language…

    If Russianness has an existence in relation to other, it can always decay in comparison or improve, but theres nothing fixed in it, absence of fixed nature is not same as monism or non-existence, rivers do exist, as does wind or weather, sea or land, theres nothing fixed in them, they dont exist independently, but still they exist in a conventional sense and in dependent sense. There is no other form of existence than this. To understand the nature of phenomena is to understand the causes and conditions which have led their present state, when we correctly discern the causes which have led to their present state, we can also understand what we should input in reality or how we should act so that phenomena changes beneficially.

    [MORE]

    Maybe this following excerpt from His Holiness will help you

    The purpose of knowing…. the presentation of the two truths is as follows. Since it is utterly necessary to be involved with these appearances which bring about varieties of good and bad effects, it is necessary to know the two natures, superficial and deep, of these objects to which we are
    related. For example, there may be a cunning and deceptive neighbor
    with whom it is always necessary for us to interact and to whom we have
    related by way of an estimation of him that accords only with his [pleasant] external appearance. The various losses that we have sustained in this
    relationship are not due to the fault of our merely having interacted with
    that man. Rather, the fault lies with our mistaken manner of relation to
    him. Further, because of not knowing the man’s nature, we have not
    estimated him properly and have thereby been deceived. Therefore, if that
    man’s external appearance and his fundamental nature had both been
    well known, we would have related to him with a reserve appropriate to
    his nature and with whatever corresponded to his capacities, and so forth.
    Had we done this, we would not have sustained any losses.

    Russian people have had various neighbours, from Tatars to Finns, from Yakuts to Chuvash, from….. Heh….

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  72. @Californian Candidate

    Yeltsin would probably not have intervened in Georgia/Donbass, gotten Crimea, improved the armed forces, etc.

    We have no idea what he would have done. It’s interesting to know that he created (or helped create, at any rate) the entities in Abkhazia, South Ossetia and Transnistria. He was certainly not opposed to such course of action in principle.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  73. melanf says:


    https://vk.com/wall414721158_3151?w=wall414721158_3151

    Here (In Russian) is a venomous (for Navalny’s gang) text from chief of Navalny’s staff in Saratov

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  74. Exile says:
    @216

    North America has enormous advantages over other locations and a White population of around 220 million.

    It’s also Patient Zero for infecting the rest of the world with poz. We need to make a stand for racial and cultural sovereignty here, if not continent-wide then at least in territory commensurate with our population.

    It’s our homeland and our responsibility. And I’ve told expat-inclined Americans for years that we’d be doing European Whites a disservice in migrating to Europe, East or West, or Russia en masse. No one welcomes mass immigration and certainly not in the tens of millions, waves large enough to entirely displace native populations.

    If anything, North America’s wide open spaces can and should make room for smaller White populations like South Africans or the increasingly pinched Aussies.

    • Replies: @216
  75. @Levtraro

    These days you have to go through information the way one should go through biohazard or radioactive waste. Better avoid it completely.

  76. @melanf

    Navalny and his gang are just tools. The real question is what is happening today among the different clans in the Russian elite.How do the “Kremlin towers ” interact today among themselves and with their “Western partners “.

    Aa written many times on AKs blog there currently cannot be a Color Revolution in Russia. But there might be (and I believe there are) ongoing tensions in the Russian elite.

    Despite everything some naive people think, USSR dud not fall because Soviet people or Warsaw Pact people rebelling, but because some of the elite were working behind the scenes to deconstruct the Eastern Block. These elite factions were helping and abetting the social changes, including demonstrations etc.

    Same with Putin’s RusFed, the elite are feeling a tremendous pressure and might simply find a way to better their own conditions by giving up on Putin and his closest circle. That would explain a lot in the present situation.

  77. @Europe Europa

    You and Coconuts are too Anglocentric, you really dont understand how some educated Russian guy, with a meagre salary, who works in some provincial school, or local administration, or library feels, living in his small apartment in a slowly crumbling Khrushchyovka, watching from telly how white people live, same thing is true with minor variations in other countries of developing world. Though the inferiority complex was worse in Russia about century ago, as we can know from the writings of the Russian Intelligentsia, who whole 19th century cried about Russian backwardness. Even Japanese had this inferiority complex, and still quite recently, till 80s at least.

    • Agree: Sinotibetan
  78. @AltanBakshi

    I should add that if phenomena would exist as one, then they could not exist dependently. In a deeper analysis there can be no monistic existence, for the concept of one is born from its dependence with other concepts like many, or none, or two. It has no self existence, no Svabhava. Monism is nothing else than an apparition, a projection of our mind based on false understanding of reality.

    Its grasping!

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  79. Hartnell says:
    @Sinotibetan

    The question remains though – will the West collapse or will its system of open borders, “free markets” and mass cultural globalisation be adopted throughout the rest of the world as a recipe for success?

    To be honest, these days I do not see the West collapsing. With new emergent technologies coming into play (Virtual reality, cold fusion, robots) along with the eventual establishment of a global welfare state such as UBI, the West can invite the entire world into their countries and still be successful.

    Once other elites peg on to this mode of doing business (the wealthy few dominating the comfortable masses) they might be more than happy to shed whatever national sovereignity they have left and join the party. A Navalny dominated ‘elite’, the pro Western crowd in Iran, China etc I think would be more than happy to join in.

    So you never know. The West might down right endure and rule the world.

  80. Znzn says:
    @Hartnell

    Well the UBI being proposed are poverty line amounts for big cities, to live comfortably in big cities would require UBI thrice of what is proposed, and even gen z require big city amenities that you cannot find in the middle of nowhere.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  81. @Hartnell

    I agree with what you wrote. But it begs the question: would this still be the West, as it was understood for the last 400 years or so, or would it be something entirely unprecedented in human history? Something that would have infected, transformed and outgrown the Western civilization?

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
    , @Passer by
  82. @AltanBakshi

    You and Coconuts are too Anglocentric

    Sorry, but I really meant that you English, as a White people, can never understand the experiences of the POC.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  83. @Znzn

    You are correct, hence the drastically lowered living standards and the concentration of the masses in the smart cities where their consumption can be monitored and their behavior controlled 24/7 by different surveillance approaches, including the ubiquitous smart contracts.

    • Replies: @Znzn
  84. @Levtraro

    We agree that Europe is in economic, demographic and cultural decline.
    I have to admit that I am in the order of the pessimist. Hopefully your optimism rings true for Europe. However….

    1.)I agree that Europe stands on past glorious achievements, hence Western Europe’s apparent resilience despite the naysayers. Such strong foundations take time to rot to the level of quicksand. So many previously glorious civilizations are now archeological remnants or being rediscovered as part of a PhD dissertation. I am pretty sure their own population could not see the extinction of their civilization, neither their vassals when they were declining from their zenith.

    2.) The reversibility of Europe’s cultural decline depends much on the mindset of the elites and populace. At the rate ‘wokeness’ and ethnocultural self-loathsomeness becomed mainstream and admirable + the hero worship of Sub Saharan Africans and Islam, I don’t see much ‘reversibility’.

    I am of the opinion that Western Europe’s apparent resilience due to its current economic, scientific, technological, soft power and geopolitical (as ‘ally’ of the US) supremacy can sometimes lull us to complacency and underestimate the internal rot of cultural decline + ultimate political usurpation from migrant cultures from within.

    The next 1 to 2 decades, I believe, shall give us a clearer picture if the optimist or the pessimist is indeed correct.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  85. @Hartnell

    Thanks. Pertinent question indeed.
    I think it ultimately boils down to human nature. We can never ‘cure’ envy, violence, lust for power etc in humanity. Let’s assume all the elites and pro globalist folks(middle and upper class) of all nations join in the bandwagon. There will always be inequality, there will always be winners and losers…. Perhaps even accentuate the clash between winners and losers. Western technological and economic supremacy can never eradicate the irrational and the emotional part of humanity. Even those non Western elites who are pro Western have their own ambitions, erstwhile ideological friends may later become bitter enemies. Even if a Navalny-like Russian president somehow came to be or China fell to a democratic takeover by Taiwan, they may not want to be perpetual vassals of Washington or Brussels. Anyway, I am doubtful of the ultimate success of a Western controlled globalized world. I believe there will be some kind of globalized world but that prediction of no more national sovereignty or borders might not come to pass.
    Moreover, I think we tend to look only at scientific, technological and economic advancement as measurements of ‘success’. Everyone,say perhaps even the most ardent jihadist, envies all these success, doesn’t mean he will abandon his jihadi mindset. We tend to dismiss the ethnosociocultural, the human factor! Will, when Muslims and Sub Saharan Africans swell in numbers and proportion to population in Western Europe, not have ambition to usurp the political hegemony of indigenous elites? Would these disparate communities, once critical mass is achieved, due to communal resentments and their own elites’ ambition, tear Western European societies from within? Ethnic clashes that descend to communal violence? Or will there be assimilation but can that hybrid culture be better than indigenous European cultures, or worse?
    If Western Europe society breaks down to sociocultural chaos, which I believe they ultimately will, the scientific and technological advancement stops right there. No nation would emulate civilizations in societal anarchy, however great their technological advancement were prior to that. My thoughts.

  86. @Bashibuzuk

    It would not be the West as we know it. Could it be a return to rebuild the (mythical?) Tower of Babel? A one new culture that unites all cultures? A third Adam(since its after Christ, the ‘second Adam’) as the ‘Ubermensch’, one ‘race’ as an admixture of all ‘races’ to end all ethnic identities into one? Maybe, that’s the real religion of the Western globalist, the ultimate Western ‘innovation’, ultimate sociocultural engineering to defy the Fates?
    Sorry if I am letting my imagination grow wild a bit….

  87. @Sinotibetan

    You might be onto something here. I think that the elite might well envision this demigod status for their offspring. Demigods living on a planet emptied from the annoying multitudes. A biosphere restored to its former glorious state, clean energy, robotisation and automation, genomic optimization, very long lifespan and no hoi polloi to spoil their picnic. It would take a few generations to get there, but these people probably plan on a longer time-frame than many nation-states.

    • LOL: EldnahYm
    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @mal
  88. @AltanBakshi

    I can say that sums up the feelings of a typical educated person from the developing world. Even the less educated too.
    I think the Japanese (and other East Asians) still suffer from inferiority complex towards whites from the West(not just from the Anglosphere, but especially from the Anglosphere). It took some time for me to get cured from this inferiority complex, and perhaps I still have relapses!
    In East Asia(and I believe it is so too in the Indian subcontinent – witnessed this during my long time ago visit to India) , a white guest, especially if he is from the West, tends to get preferential treatment compared to fellow Asians. Anything Western is kinda worshiped or if not, it’s envied, in Asia.
    Even in choosing a partner, I know of some Asian ladies who would only date or marry a white Westerner, never any other group.
    Incidentally that’s why Western propaganda and ‘wokeness’ gets traction in Asia too. The West is always the trendsetter because the average Asian person, especially the youth, from the developing world thinks anything from the West is ‘correct’.
    Then there are those who do have inferiority-superiority complex… A love-hate feeling towards the West. Envious of Western success but if they had their way, they would subjugate the West. An average jihadist or a Chinese ultra nationalist /ultra chauvinist may be of this type.

    • Replies: @128
    , @AltanBakshi
  89. @Sinotibetan

    I envisage a caste system, albeit an unofficial one of course which will reflect differences in average abilities between the groups. For all the propaganda about “Anyone with an X passport is X”, most people will still see the natives as the real owners of the country.

    This is why you often see these over-the-top actions by ethnic activists to topple statues of old White men, it is to compensate for the reality that they will never be seen as natives, unless they can somehow manage to pull off a Khmer Rouge style “Year Zero” in which all historical memory is excised from the consciousness of the public and the different phenotypes of mankind’s races become as trivial as say, different hair and eyes colours are today within European ethnic groups (after all, a blond Englishman and a brown-haired Englishman will still see eachother as Englishmen), but even if this tremendous feat – which would require 100% control on information and likely also tearing away children from their parents to stop parents passing down certain information – were to be achieved, the inequalities would still likely remain and be noticeable.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  90. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I agree that it will most probably be a caste system for the transitional period. After that it would be a transhumanist utopia. Except that to get there, at least 50 to 75% of humankind must be culled on a time-frame of a few generations. And I also agree that control upon all aspects of human existence, including information, will be of paramount importance.

  91. Znzn says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I mean most gen z want a comfortable standard of living, good food and amenities, and some form of social life, not staying at the Ritz Carlton, but with enough money to go to conventions, eat out at a good restaurant every now and then, and occasional overseas travel, 1200 is too few for that, and will not be defined as comfortable by any stretch of the imagination, any UBI to keep the masses happy with a comfortable standard of living in a 1st world country, in a big city like Toronto, the Bay area, or Vancouver will have to be a lot more than 1200, try 6000, 1200 will not even pay for the rent of a microstudio in Vancouver.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  92. An interesting twist that Western paymasters did not anticipate: ‘if the police stops protecting these “protesters”, the people would beat the crap out of them”.

    Original in Russian
    https://rusvesna.su/news/1612160694

    Those who don’t read Russian: you can translate it on the web. FYI, Yandex translate works better than Google translate.

  93. Znzn says:

    I mean if people want UBI to replace useless drudgery jobs then 12000 a year will have little effect, since a lot of useless jobs actually pay better than 12000 a year.

    • Replies: @mal
    , @EldnahYm
  94. Passer by says:
    @Hartnell

    The West is on a long term decline according to its own estimates.

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    And others are aware of this. Hence the russian push for independence, the turkish push, the iranian confidence in the face of the US, etc.

    As the West is declining, various countries elites are thinking about creating their own spheres of influence in a multipolar world.

    So there will be attempts to create regional power blocks. Or pan-regions. A US block (North America), EU block, Russian block, Iranian (Shia) block, Turkisn block, Chinese block, Indian block, etc.

  95. Passer by says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    The West will be another USSR trying to take over the world by ideological means. Its culture will be deliberately engineered and terraformed towards this end. It will not be organic culture just as the USSR was not organic. Probably by the end of the century will (partly) implode, when demographics have changed sufficiently. Then you are looking at Brazil del Norte with nukes and a collapse of the EU. But this will happen very late in the 21st century.

    Russia needs to stay away from this mess (it is targeted for a take over) and try to survive.

    The 21st century will be a battle by a new “communism”, which this time is called liberalism, they will be building it in the West and via International Institutions, and where the “working class” is no longer the workers, but minorities, feminists and LGBT (Aka coalition of minorities), and conservative countries trying to stop the tide and keep their cultures from becoming part of the Borg.

    In this sense – Asia and other non-western countries provide ideological strategic depth for Russia, as their MO is conservative and agrees with differences (it is multi-civilisational), unlike the West, which does not agree with difference and seeks to terraform the culture of everyone else – that is – the Liberal Wolrd Order (LWO).

  96. Levtraro says:
    @Sinotibetan

    Actually I am a pessimist in the sense that the apparently irreversible trend that I metioned earlier will be dealt with by large scale internal conflicts, civil wars actually, even genocide. I think this will start in Sweden and then it will spread. After the apparently irreversible trend had been reverted by these means, Europe will recover demographic vitality. I think this is going to happen during my lifetime.

  97. Passer by says:

    So the battle is now about this: will Russia be able to create its own power block (Pan Region), and transfrom itself into independent pole in a multipolar world, with its own distinct culture and system. Or will it be taken over by the West via internal coup of the elites. The closing window for a western take over is the 2020 – 2030 time period.

    The 2020s will be very turbulent years all over the world.

    • Agree: Sinotibetan
  98. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    There won’t be ellimination of the annoying multitudes. They can always be used for something worth the pain of letting them exist. What will happen is that governing elites and their faithful followers will spatially segregate from the rest of the population. The elites and followers will live under goverment while the rest will live as anarchists. It will be shown that a large fraction of the population, say those at the bottom 4 quintiles of income, are better off not living under government because what they pay for it is not worth what they receive from it. Essentially the liberal State is the protector of private property. That will be the feel-good reason to let most people off the government hook to swim as free fish. So this is what my grandma told me yesterday. I think she is more onto something.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  99. 128 says:

    Someone who can not even read traditional Chinese characters in zhu yin (not that fake Communist pinyin or fake simplified Chinese) can not claim to be ethnocentric.

    • LOL: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  100. 128 says:
    @Sinotibetan

    Well considering what happened to Japan from 1941 to 1945 vs. the Western powers, maybe the inferiority complex is justified? And maybe also a lesson to any Eastern powers who tries to challenge the West in its own game?

  101. 128 says:

    The fact that the WASP-led America had better leadership than the polyglot leadership that came after, despite the fact that the SAT of Harvard class rose from 530 to 690 from 1952 to 1959 is quite a powerful argument against pure IQism.

  102. @Znzn

    Exactly, hence the indispensable substantial decreases in living standards.

  103. mal says:
    @Znzn

    We need UBI to drive corporate sales growth, not to make Gen z feel better. We don’t want stock market price to sales ratio getting all crazy on us and reverting to trend the wrong way.

    All that UBI will end up in Jeff Bezos pocket, but thats not a terrible thing considering the alternatives. Anyway, UBI will be set as a percentage target of the desired GDP growth rate. And you are quite correct – it may end up more that 12,000 USD per year. That amounts to only $4 trillion a year. That was US government spending in 2018. I can easily see US government spending $8 trillion or more per year in the 2030’s. Fitting $12,000 UBI will be trivial in this.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  104. @Levtraro

    This is indeed a possibility. The problem is that the third world style anarchic crowds will damage the sacrosanct environment. Our benevolent overlords are too enamored with nature and are too keen on esthetic level to allow such outcome.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  105. @mal

    I don’t think growth in any format would still be encouraged. We need to protect the environment, Global Warming will end up melting the permafrost and liberating viruses even more dangerous than the corona-chan, sea levels will rise transforming Manhattan into Atlantis 2.0, sea turtles will choke on plastic drinking straws. (Sarc.)

    People will only accept a drastically decreased standard of living if they are given no other choice. The situation must be terrible to push the crowds into the right direction. Stock market must crash, the mother of all bubbles must explode, the banks must go out of business. It must be an economic Armageddon for the masses to accept the benevolent help of the elites and forfeit their private property and human rights.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    , @mal
  106. EldnahYm says:
    @Znzn

    Drudgery is essential to any civilization. Basic maintenance requires large amounts of drudgery. Therefore UBI will not replace drudgery jobs. I know there are a lot of people here who seem to believe the hype that AI will solve this. All I can say is that people have been saying this for half a century, they were wrong then, and they have no more evidence for their claims now.

    Affordable family formation is what is being destroyed. UBI, the gig economy, mass immigration, low workforce participation rates, urbanization, decreasing rates of home ownership, cost disease, increasing consumption of subscription based and/or digital goods that you don’t actually own, tertiary education requirements, and soon electric vehicles are all things which make basic reproduction less viable.

  107. @128

    I was sent to a school that did not teach Chinese language and my parents never communicated to me in Chinese. But we identify ourselves as Chinese, and we differentiate ourselves from other ethnicities in my country as such and of late, I began to learn to understand the civilization and culture of my forefathers. So, I do consider myself ‘race and culture aware’, and in a loose way, ‘ethnocentric’. If you think I cannot be deemed remotely ‘ethnocentric’ by your criteria, or that my self proclamation is bogus or hogwash, it’s fine by me. I know who I am. My primary language is actually a version of English spoken in my country. Moreover, putonghua was not the original mother tongue of my ancestors who came from China. They spoke Minnan Hua and kejia Hua.

    There is nothing ‘fake’ about Hanyu pinyin. It’s just another system vs Tongyong pinyin or Wade-Giles or Zhuyin.

    And although I don’t like simplified Chinese characters, they are not ‘fake’ either. It’s part of the evolution of the written Chinese language, which of course would be influenced by politics in the country. If we totally discredit evolution of Chinese characters then even so called ‘traditional’ Chinese characters are ‘fake’. Indeed more ‘genuine’ would be Shang dynasty characters, not even Zhou dynasty letters and certainly not ‘traditional’ Chinese letters (= Regular script) which slowly evolved and were simplified from various Han dynasty scripts which were derived from the Seal Script of Qin dynasty which were derived from scripts in Qin state during the warring states Era of Zhou . Pick your choice which is ‘genuine’. Most /great majority of Chinese who speak and write Chinese in my country write in simplified characters and some are pro PRC and some are pro Taiwan. Here in my country, they are taught the simplified form in ‘Chinese schools’. Guess they are not ‘ethnocentric’ enough because they only use those ‘fake simplified Chinese’?

  108. EldnahYm says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    It must be an economic Armageddon for the masses to accept the benevolent help of the elites and forfeit their private property and human rights.

    The average person will sell themselves into debt slavery for very little. A certain subset even sell themselves into slavery so they can inject harmful drugs. So no, there need not be an Armageddon for the masses to accept the benevolent help of the elites and forfeit their private property and human rights.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  109. EldnahYm says:
    @128

    Maybe it is a powerful arguments against “pure IQism.” But it’s an even stronger argument for anti-Semitism.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @128
  110. mal says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    The only problem with this vision is that political economy is all about status and it is inherently and specifically a very human thing. There is no such thing as political and social power without humans to lord over. Without annoying multitudes, those demigods are just regular Joes with nice mansions, and they will have to fight for status all over again between themselves. The worst job in the world is to be butler in paradise, especially if your previous job was to be Bill Gates or something.

    Why? Because nobody else cares. Like when I ask my cat what he thinks about the recent World Economic Forum summit, he doesn’t even wake up. My cat has no respect for our global visionaries, and same logic applies to 99,999..% of other living and non living objects in the universe.

    So unless our overlords somehow manage to convince deer and turtles to attend World Economic Forum meetings and admire their wisdom, they will need unwashed masses for that.

  111. @128

    I refuse to believe that anyone has ever sincerely held the position that we should be ruled by Jews or Chineses because of their higher IQ (or any apologist variants thereof). It is only something I have ever seen Jews says.

    • Agree: Sinotibetan
    • Replies: @128
  112. 128 says:
    @EldnahYm

    Well if you look at Karlin’s data on brahmin IQ, arguably India’s ruling class has a higher IQ than China’s ruling class, and yet China is a lot better run than India, even if you discount the lower IQ castes. Looking at its population structure and geographic location (a group of islands on the fringe of Asia), arguably the Japanese ruling class have a slightly lower IQ than the Chinese ruling class, and yet you can argue that Japan is a better run place than China if you look at their histories.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  113. mal says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Well if there is no economic growth people will start fleeing. And not just peons. Didn’t even Elon Musk relocate to Texas and out of California? People will put up with a lot, but only if they are comfortable. Generally, no growth is not ideal from the overlordship perspective.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  114. 128 says:

    I am talking about zhu yin or bopomofo, it is actually a far more accurate way of pronouncing Chinese words than the pinyin, but is a lot harder to learn for those who only grew up around Western alphabets. And the traditional Chinese characters more accurately represent the pictures the words portray of a pictographical writing system, like Egyptian hieroglyphics.

    • Agree: Sinotibetan
    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  115. @Sinotibetan

    And for 128….reconstructed archaic Chinese spoken from Shang to maybe late Jin(the dynasty founded by Sima and not the Jurchen one)… Now perhaps this is GENUINE Chinese…

  116. @128

    I agree but to call pinyin or simplified characters ‘fake’ is stretching it a bit.

  117. @EldnahYm

    You are probably right about that and I also agree with your comment about the push towards reproduction decrease. But I am thinking about the global middle class, people who really own something and who indeed drive the consumption and economic growth. If the idea is to lower their consumption and cull their numbers, then some calamity is required to make them abandon everything they worked for.

    electric vehicles are all things which make basic reproduction less viable.

    I also don’t get how the EVs play into reducing the reproduction. I agree that it allows for limiting the freedom of movement, but how does it decrease reproduction?

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
  118. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I presented your objection to my grandma. She said that won’t happen either. Once the vast majority on non-elite non-followers are free, they will consume little. They will have few vehicles, just basic industries such as small-scale agriculture, husbrandry, fishing and hunting/gathering (the release of large tracts of land from large-scale intensive agriculture will make nature flourish), no travelling by air, no navigation of large distances. Anarchists will have small-scale, basic industries while statepeople will be too few to make a dent on nature’s ways. I told her if there is no large-scale agriculture how will statepeople feed themselves inside their walled cities? She has an answer for that too.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  119. @Sinotibetan

    It’s kinda a waste of time to engage 128 on this, since it’s not like he understands any brand of Chinese, much less the ability to judge anything about it.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Thanks: Sinotibetan
    • Troll: 128
  120. 128 says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    Charles Murray is implying that is the case. He said that the prodiminance of Jews in the elite American universities proves that Jews are the chosen race.

    • Replies: @EldnahYm
    , @Grahamsno(G64)
  121. @Levtraro

    Well you should thank your grandma for such an optimistic outlook that actually gives me some hope for the future. And I also have a couple of ideas about the way we can feed these statepeople you mentioned. But before we get there we must bring the population into balance with the biosphere. The biosphere can probably support a maximum of 2 billion pre-industrial people. Let’s say that the high-tech transhuman statepeople are already a billion, what should we do of the rest of the hairless bipedal apes?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  122. EldnahYm says:
    @128

    I’m not sure which Brahmin data you are referring to. All I have seen on Unz is a reference to a 2003 New Immigration Survey which measured digit span among children. The sample size of Indians in that study was very small, so that particular data is useless. Even if it were a large sample, there would be no reason to assume Indian immigrants of any sub-group are representative of that sub-group in India. If I have missed some post from AK dealing with Brahmin IQ, I would be interested in knowing.

    My personal suspicion is that Brahmin Indians aren’t very bright. If there are high IQ sub-groups in India, which there may well be, they are probably a very small percentage of the population.

  123. @AltanBakshi

    Personally I think you’re overestimating the standard of living and lifestyle of working class British people in crumbling post-industrial cities outside London, but these people are not likely to be seen much on the TV, especially abroad, so Russians and others don’t see that side of Britain.

    • Agree: Kent Nationalist
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  124. @Sinotibetan

    I prefer Middle Chinese, which was spoken till early Ming

    Anyway I believe that if we are realists, Archaic Chinese is so ancient that its hard or almost impossible to reconstruct it properly. Also Chinese began to write phonetic Rime dictionaries and tables during the Sui dynasty, so we definitely have a very good basis for reconstructing how Middle Chinese sounded.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rime_table

    The děngyùnxué (等韻學; ‘study of classified rhymes’) was a more sophisticated analysis of the Qieyun pronunciations, initially developed by Chinese Buddhist monks who were studying Indian linguistics. A tantalizing glimpse of this tradition is offered by fragments from Dunhuang.

    • Replies: @Sinotibetan
  125. Dmitry says:
    @sudden death

    some parts of that image management seem to be crumblin

    Unlike in America where politics is a tribal religion (partly as a result of the bipartisan system), fortunately something like 90% of Russian citizens find politics to be uncomfortable, and try to minimize negative energy thinking about it.

    A president in Russia, needs to spam a bit only the television with pro-government messages, and that is enough to succeed in image-management for most people (unless you are Yeltsin, who was visibly inadequate even on carefully staged media appearances, while Putin is excellent for this).

    Then if there is more nerdy subsection of politicized anti-government people, their views can be “lightly managed” by using semi-pseudoopposition, or semi-controlled opposition, media like Echo of Moscow.

    I think the internet makes the difficult minority of politicized people, more complicated to manage, and this is what we have been seeing in recent years.

    In the last decade, there was some “light management” to boost pro-authorities messages onto the written internet, with for example a lot of fake blog accounts, and some IRL kremlinbots like Kristina Potupchik sending cash to established bloggers.

    One of the problems of this attempt of “light interference” by the government in the internet, is that it seems to result in the sterility and loss of audience, in the internet sites and blogs that are purchased. For example, I remember when lenta.ru was interesting to read, when it was a website critical of the government. But after pro-government oligarch (Aleksandr Mamut) purchased, and it’s now become an completely “sterile” place, that I doubt many enjoy reading. It lost its raison d’être and is now a desolate website.

    Another problem is the move of the politicized minority of anti-government people to videoblogging, which is hosted on platforms like YouTube, that can be in geopolitically hostile countries like the USA.

    Livejournal could be bought (by Aleksandr Mamut) as the American netizens had stopped using it by then, but YouTube and Tiktok would be far too expensive by many times to buy even for someone like Mamut, who could buy the UK’s main bookshop.

    pretending to publicly lecture his own oligarchs not to flaunt the wealth

    Until around a decade ago, there was still staged television theatre events, where e.g. “Putin criticizes Deripaska, so that the latter will support his workers”.

    But even such television theatre politics, shows awareness of public opinion, and the need to reduce the excess of oligarchs against the working class. That is, Putin’s team is aware of the public disapproval, and the need to balance the system. This is a form of political centrism and bipartisanship, which increases the political stability in Russia.

    The fact Yeltsin didn’t even try an image-management narrative about “fighting the oligarchs”, is another example of the incompetence and political inadequacy, that reduced political stability in the country.

    • Replies: @sudden death
  126. @mal

    Well if there is no economic growth people will start fleeing.

    If the project is truly global they would have nowhere to run to.

    For your other comment about status, are you familiar with the Noon World by the Strugatsky brothers?

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B4%D0%BD%D1%8F

    People can compete and achieve higher status in many different ways. In a world of technical cornucopia, wealth and power over other people might well become meaningless. But you could still flex your status by mining more asteroids than your neighbor, producing some incredible art or some deeper philosophical understanding. You can also flex the genomic optimization of your lineage and flash the bling of your latest cyborg enhancements.

    • Thanks: mal
  127. EldnahYm says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    You are probably right about that and I also agree with your comment about the push towards reproduction decrease. But I am thinking about the global middle class, people who really own something and who indeed drive the consumption and economic growth. If the idea is to lower their consumption and cull their numbers, then some calamity is required to make them abandon everything they worked for.

    Indeed all of the things I described particularly hurt industrious people(middle class and also people who want to rise above their station) who want to raise families.

    I’m not convinced the idea is to lower reproduction per se. I don’t think elites are particularly good long-term planners. More than that, I don’t think any of the stuff they are advocating actually works. Destroying the fertility of society’s most industrious people is shrinking the size of the elite’s pie.

    I also don’t get how the EVs play into reducing the reproduction. I agree that it allows for limiting the freedom of movement, but how does it decrease reproduction?

    Limiting freedom of movement also limits economic prospects. Large numbers of people drive large distances because it pays more. I also suspect electric cars(I don’t really have objections to electric scooters/motorbikes, which are somewhat practical in dense areas over small distances) will raise costs in other ways, but that is more speculative so I will leave that out.

  128. @Sinotibetan

    “I was sent to a school that did not teach Chinese language and my parents never communicated to me in Chinese.”

    Then you are not Chinese.

  129. EldnahYm says:
    @128

    Charles Murray identifies as a libertarian. Tells you all you need to know about him.

    • Replies: @128
  130. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    But remember, in the Anglosphere transracialism is highly problematic, groups must be granted POC status by the fount of honours, which in this case is the American negro (paradigm of POCness) and the DiAngelo lady.

  131. @AltanBakshi

    Thanks! Yes, Middle Chinese sure sounds better than ‘reconstructed archaic Chinese’.
    I like the different southern ‘dialects’ (or rather, languages) which are still spoken here in my country. Where I come from, our “Chinese names”are “Romanized” based on the dialect group we come from unlike Taiwan or PRC. Thanks once again for the vids

  132. @Agathoklis

    Well I don’t know how to write Chinese but I do speak Mandarin. And I am ethnically Chinese. I am identified as a Chinese by myself and officially in my country my race is ‘Chinese’. All my ancestors are Chinese traceable from China. So, I am not Chinese still? I find it quite hilarious some of you fellows are disputing my ethnicity. Golly you guys know me even more than I do!
    By the way in ancient China, 80 percent or more of the common folk were illiterate, they don’t know how to write the Chinese language but they speak the various Chinese dialects. By your definition they are not Chinese too. Gosh.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  133. @Agathoklis

    Can he become Chinese, if he so chooses?

    Can you become Chinese, if you so choose?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @Agathoklis
  134. @Europe Europa

    Personally I think you should travel little more….

    Though I must admit that only places where I have stayed in England are London and St Albans.

    Still I cant believe that in poor areas of Birmingham or Leeds, things are economically as bad as in some regions of Russia, like in poor neighbourhoods of Irkutsk or Murmansk, or even like in EUs Eastern Europe. Ive never watched that British propaganda, Chernobyl tv series, but Ive been where it was filmed, in Visaginas Lithuania, lets just say that as a town it was not very inspiring.

    One day I need to go Hebrides and drink whisky there and hear Gaelic songs. Though I dont like sea, there are lots of mountains and hills, which should make the scenery more balanced. Oh I just love mountain trekking, a true gentlemans sport. I hope that theres lots of mutton and offal, because I dont like to eat fish, except ряпушка and rarely some smoked lamprey. One reason among others why I will never go to Japan as a tourist.


    Just beautiful. Check the lyrics.

  135. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Regarding total human biomass, have you seen the plot of human population growth since pre-historic times? It outlines a nice logistic curve, that have just passed the inflection point in the 60s of the past century.

    So human population grows just like so many other species, bacteria in a Petri dish, fish in coastal waters, worms in muddy subsoil. This means that the current and future human population size is not a problem, it is a natural growth process and human will reach a natural plateau sometime this millenium (an asymptote as my friend the mathematician likes to say).

    So the problem for nature is not human population size per se; the problem is the use of resources and technology by so many human bodies. Once humans discover segregation governance, as grandma predicts will happen, the biosphere can easily accomodate all as it does with rodents, squids, priapulids.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @Daniel Chieh
  136. @Blinky Bill

    Im not Half Han, but by the PRCs official definition of Chinese or Zhongguo ren I am a Half Chinese! Im not joking.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  137. @Sinotibetan

    It manages to sound even more hideous than modern Chinese (although I do find the writing system aesthetically pleasing).

  138. @AltanBakshi

    By the PRCs official definition of Chinese or Zhongguo ren I am a 100% Chinese! Im not joking.

    But that’s a very liberal understanding of the meaning. 😉

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    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  139. @Sinotibetan

    But thankfully Ive been always been in contact with Tibetan monks, and to them Western society is just utterly silly, though they dont openly say it, its unbelievable how they are not astonished by it like poor деревенские люди of the Russia, or university graduates of India, and they dont feel any inferiority towards it, its all thanks to their powers of discernment and analysis. Most monks dont give much value to the modern western society, no matter if Sinhala, Burmese or Tibetan monk, maybe same is true with the Hindu holy men.

    Discernment is one of the most important virtues there is. By closer analysis things are often not how they superficially look on the surface. First impression of something and true nature of something are almost always quite far from each other. Its unbelievable how much Nordic people use depression medication, and I believe that drug abuse is even worse in USA. But some of the happiest people I know are just humble village folks living in poor Asian countries. Yes they too have problems, there will be always problems and pain in life, but attitude is the key. Same with the sense of community, people are almost never lonely in the countryside of Asia, but how many lonely old people there are in the west, who will die alone, shame. But yes, that same progress is quickly catching China.

  140. @Blinky Bill

    Still Mongols are one of the five races, not just one of the 56 recognised ethnic groups of PRC. Buryats are correctly classified as Mongols in China.

  141. Aedib says:

    Deconstruction of Navalny tool have started.

    https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6520919.html

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  142. Znzn says:

    If you are talking about grain cereals I do not it is problematic to supply 10 billion people with 2500 calories a day, supplying beef is the problem.

  143. @Sinotibetan

    Ok, I did not know you could speak Mandarin. In that case, I think you could qualify as ethnic Chinese not like some of the Unz readers who think they are German due to some long past Germany ancestry despite not knowing how to speak the language. Rare exceptions aside, language begets ethnicity.

  144. @Blinky Bill

    You cannot just choose to become something if you have not satisfied a number of objective criteria like language or ancestry or culture or geography. Language being the most important, and in almost every case, the necessary criteria. For example, you cannot just choose to be Macedonian when you do not speak the language of the historical Macedonians (a northern Greek dialect which evolved into the modern language), have Slavic ancestry (a people who entered the approximate area almost 1000 years later) and largely do not live in the area of the historical Macedonians. If we separate identity from certain objective criteria then we have people wanting to be black when they are Jewish or wanting to be Aboriginal when they are Anglo-European either for some retarded sense of guilt, or, for purely for economic reasons.

  145. @Aedib

    So have they had this recording for 8 years?

    I don’t think there will be much Western response to this, if any at all. Westerners see nothing wrong with their government financing opposition in other countries. In fact, they see other countries as authoritarian if they try to prevent it from happening. If there is a response they will just brush it off as a normal legal meeting

    It will definitely be effective in Russia to smear Navalny. Vladimir Ashurkov is one of the top allies of Navalny so that’s almost as good as it gets. He basically asks for foreign government funding. It doesn’t really matter if he got it or not because he makes it clear he would take it. He also more or less says that he doesn’t care about corrupt individuals as long they are on his side. That doesn’t go well with the anti-corruption narrative.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Aedib
    , @Bashibuzuk
  146. @Agathoklis

    You cannot just choose to be Greek when you do not speak the language of the historical Greeks and have Turkish ancestry (a people who entered the approximate area almost 1000 years later).

    You could nevertheless choose to be Jew, a people who started inter-cucking in Athens three thousand years ago, and still does.

    We wuz Ptolemaic kungz. We is bankrupt every other year yet brand-conscious and shiet.

    Isn’t “Greece” a cheaper alternative to Mamaia and Sochi?

  147. 128 says:

    Are plastic paddys really Irish, or just fake Irish?

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  148. 128 says:

    If I had to guess, Western culture is so appealing, partly because of material wealth, but mostly because of the promise of individualistic freedom, or the appeal of breaking free of traditional constraints on social behavior in traditional collectivistic cultures like in East Asia, it even Eastern Europe, basically people comply with the dictates of those collectivistic cultures, but sometimes, or maybe a lot of times, feel that their traditional cultures of stifling of individual desires, and do not allow them to be what they want to be.

  149. Aedib says:
    @Shortsword

    Off course there will not be Western response. But it will be useful to troll Western narrative.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  150. @AltanBakshi

    My Russian friend’s photos of his St. Petersburg apartment and dacha look pretty poor. I have to admit, it was my first view inside an actual dacha, and it looked much less inviting than what I had imagined. However, I have also traveled in Mongolia. Ulaanbaatar is Soviet-built and feels poor but also quite comfortable in a way. I think the West has progressed to the point that their “economically good” is not adding much to life anymore. My father-in-law recently bought a new car with a radio that plays videos while you’re driving. Why? And why a new car at 70?

    The thing that really makes Mongolia feel poor is that you’re constrained in your choice of foodstuffs. Their beer and vodka is pretty good quality, and you can get western sweets, but the variety of vegetables and other basic foods is not there. But after society reaches the point of starting to offer most people global ethnic foods in addition to year-round staple foods, you’re getting close to maxing out substantial QOL improvements.

    • Replies: @128
  151. 128 says:

    The traditional complaint about people who are unhappy with traditional collectivistic cultures is how smothering such cultures can be.

  152. @Levtraro

    biosphere can easily accomodate all

    I don’t think so. Pre-industrial population levels were much lower. Even lower if we look at the hunter-gatherer tribes. Or is there something I m missing that you grandma could explain?

    BTW population in the late Roman Empire was around 50 – 60 million and it fell drastically in the early dark ages. The population of the whole world in the time of Jesus Christ was probably around 200 million people.

    🙂

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  153. 128 says:
    @Chrisnonymous

    Until a few decades ago, I doubt that the middle or working class in places like New Zealand could have access to things like pineapples or citrus fruits due to transportation costs. Could you buy bananas or Chinese/Japanese/Korean foodstuffs from a German grocery store in 1980?

  154. @Shortsword

    As I wrote a couple of times already, Maria Pevchikh is most probably a British Intelligence operative.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  155. @Aedib

    Russia can push for a response. The West is pushing for Navalny’s release so I expect Russia to ask for an explanation. The answer will probably be that it’s a completely normal and legal conversation. But it still looks very bad. It’s hard to deny that he asks for funding. Then he basically discusses strategy how to organize the political opposition. But what’s even worse is that he asks for information from “British agencies”. Trying to make that look innocuous is difficult.

    It’s surprising that the video was released first now. The fact that they’ve kept it secret this long means they might have even more. I suspect there is panic going on in the Navalny gang.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Shortsword
    , @Beckow
    , @Levtraro
  156. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Still I cant believe that in poor areas of Birmingham or Leeds, things are economically as bad as in some regions of Russia, like in poor neighbourhoods of Irkutsk or Murmansk, or even like in EUs Eastern Europe. Ive never watched that British propaganda, Chernobyl tv series, but Ive been where it was filmed, in Visaginas Lithuania, lets just say that as a town it was not very inspiring.

    I agree they are not as economically bad as places I have seen in Belarus, Lithuania, Moldova or Ukraine, but the poorer areas of those two English cities provide examples of reasons which are not directly economic (crime, schools) but which in certain ways make them worse than better off post-Soviet cities, especially for raising children.

    My wife has a flat in one of the poorest areas in Minsk (I didn’t know that at the time), we were living there when I was working in Belarus and it was pretty good, safe, things were usually well maintained. I mainly got to know those kinds of Soviet era flats, the Krushchev type, the Stalin ones but now there are a lot of recently built ones and these can be really nice by Western standards. You could go to church on Sunday and it would be full, with young people as well, which is not something that is as common in the UK. One of the issues with cities in the UK is not economic but more spiritual, apart from the colourful and vibrant populations they are becoming like the abode of Nietzsche’s Last Man.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  157. @Shortsword

    It’s worth pointing out that is worse than everything Russiagate produced.

  158. Coconuts says:
    @128

    Are plastic paddys really Irish, or just fake Irish?

    Aren’t they a bit fake by definition? You need to count up how many uncle Pakis and uncle Paddys you have to see how plastic you are, or how many female relatives called things like Assumpta and Mary.

  159. 128 says:
    @EldnahYm

    Well the people in the 50s pushing the Ivy Leagues to open up their enrollment to non-WASPs and more Jews and white ethnics and accept on the basis of SATs are libetarian IQists. Plus there was a lot of resentment that much of the power structure until the late 50s was at the hands of a group of people with a very narrow range of ancestry (basically Northern European Protestants), and there was the thought that a more inclusive and diverse elite more make the US be more well run, but in fact the opposite happened. Although in WW2 and WW1, American hesitance to get involved in Europe may have been to the very large German population in the US.

  160. @Bashibuzuk

    Why her in particular? I don’t know much about Navalny’s friends.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  161. @Erik Sieven

    Navalny suffered an attack of acute pancreatitis (hence the yelling in agony as reported by fellow passengers)exacerbated by booze-his blood alcohol was 0.2 at the Omsk hospital. He is a diabetic on Metformin and other meds including barbies, and must have had a booze-up the night before, not recommended for those with pancreatitis. At Omsk no sign of the dreaded ‘Novichok’. The Berlin hospital bloods were also released and showed deranged liver function, no doubt from his chronic alcoholism. The only ‘evidence’ of ‘Novichok’ was provided by German and Swedish ‘intelligence’, who won’t publish their findings, of course. Navalny is fascist, racist, nationalist scum like most of the USA’s stooges over the years. He even sent an e-mail in 2007 abusing some critic as a ‘faggot kike’. Oops-but he was probably drunk.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @AnonfromTN
  162. 128 says:
    @Sinotibetan

    So-called white guilt is basically Protestant Northern European American guilt over what fellow Germans did to Jews in the Holocaust that was adopted by the rest of the white population, because Protestant Northern European Americans held much of the institutions of power in the US until the 50s.

  163. Yevardian says:
    @Levtraro

    Yes, that and India, these demographic changes will leave their mark after hundreds of years, it seems quite clear these exact sort of demographic changes (partially due to Arab-Bedouin primitives taking over the place, but mostly via slavery, so another ‘own-goal’) is what turned the Middle-East into a technological desert, after leading the Caucasoid/’white’ world for thousands of years. Most of the other problems in Europe are easily reversible simply by an improvement in government.

  164. Beckow says:
    @Shortsword

    Russia can push, pull, ask, or they can just watch the snow fall. It makes no difference. We are looking at this through a rationality prism, I admit I do that. This is not rational. The world is not a rational place, so appealing to human rationality is besides the point.

    West is in a full irrational fighting mode; their words don’t mean what they say they mean, and they don’t mean any of it anyway. It is who-whom, there is no rationality.

    When dealing with an irrational situation – the Analny guy with his poisons, screaming teenage supporters and appeals to foreign sponsors – trying to argue rationally is a waste of time. My grandma used to say “with stupid people you have to also go stupid“. If this is a who-whom fight, why be rational? Why observe any rules? Let’s see who has more power on the ground in the moment and let it play out. The appeals to Western rationality are infantile. West might regain rationality once the gig is up, they always do. So what? More nasty editorials and god forbid tweets? Why does that matter?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  165. @Yevardian

    partially due to Arab-Bedouin primitives taking over the place, but mostly via slavery, so another ‘own-goal’

    I assume you mean slavery of blacks by Arabs? If so, didn’t the Arabs castrate all their slaves?

    Anyway, inbreeding seems to be a more likely explanation of the decline of the human capital in the Islamic World.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    , @Levtraro
  166. 216 says:
    @Exile

    Australia is mainly under environmental pressures, its about 15 points more demographically favorable than the US, and its minorities aren’t as troublesome. While not as religious as the US, its more religious than the UK.

    That said, I’m even skeptical of outmigration from blue states. There is something to be said for concentration, but conservatives never have set about trying to create an ethnic enclave, and often try to subvert those remaining.

    DC has about 20,000 Republicans, which discounting socially conservative native blacks, is still enough to concentrate into a single enclave and elect one person to the city council.

    The idea isn’t far fetched, its the same thing that gays have done. But all the money spent by Conservative Inc hasn’t figured this out.

    Concentration into an enclave would solve one of Con Inc’s biggest problems, cuckoldry to stay in the good graces of liberal neighbors.

    • Replies: @128
  167. 128 says:
    @216

    Is there any evidence to prove the conservatives are more individualistic than liberals?

  168. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Navalny is fascist, racist, nationalist /
    / He even sent an e-mail in 2007 abusing some critic as a ‘faggot kike’

    Wait, you make him look like a nice guy…

    😉

    • LOL: AltanBakshi
  169. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Navalny is fascist, racist, nationalist scum like most of the USA’s stooges over the years.

    Navalny is scum, first and foremost. The rest are footnotes.

  170. 216 says: • Website

    White Privilege is Live Ammunition

  171. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I assume you mean slavery of blacks by Arabs? If so, didn’t the Arabs castrate all their slaves?

    Not the female ones!

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  172. @Agathoklis

    So most Irish of Ireland are not Irish, because they dont speak Irish, same with the Welsh who dont speak Welsh? Or Jews who dont speak Hebrew, but English are more Anglos or Americans than Jews?

    Its funny that there was a time when most Jews spoke Aramaic, and Hebrew was just liturgical language, even Christs native language was Aramaic, and Aramaic is just a different name for Syriac or Syrian language, therefore ancient Jews and Christ were not Jews but Syrians. Also in your logic all French speaking Arabs and Africans, who have lost their native tongue are French, but hey your logic is the same logic as the French governments. Funnily Turkish speaking Karamanlides were thought to be Greeks because of their faith, and they all were evacuated from Cappadocia and transferred to Greek Macedonia after the war between Turks and Greeks in the 20s.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  173. @Coconuts

    Minsk is one of the best and cleanest places in the former Soviet Union, as is Moscow, Kiev and St Petersburg, they are the best what the East has offer, there are much worse places in Russia and Ukraine, which are full of HIV and narcotics problems. Also Belarussians and West Ukrainians are much more religious than people from Ukraines or Russias Rust Belt.

    Stalinovkas are good. Its true that common people are slightly more spiritually minded in the East, but not average Muscovites, they are quite materialist and obnoxious, much more than common people of the Western Europe. All people who lack (proper) religion or philosophy – are the Last Men of the history.

  174. Dmitry says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Europa Europa’s perspective usually makes me think of the phrase: “first world problems”.

    He was writing previously about how dangerous a British city called Birmingham is. While Birmingham is dangerous relative to the United Kingdom average, it is not dangerous by international levels. After reading such posts, I looked at the data. The most dangerous and violent English city has a murder rate 4 times lower than where my parents safely and happily live, without complaining.

    When English people complain about low living standards and economic development in their country, or high levels of violence, it’s usually because they are comparing in their mind to countries like Netherlands, Denmark and Sweden.

    It’s not just that United Kingdom’s economic development is lower than Netherlands or Denmark, but also that it’s significantly a more unequally distributed economy.

    UK has much more inequality between classes and regions, than countries like Netherlands.

    However, ignoring its location near to elite countries like Netherlands – by any international standards, UK can be described as unusually wealthy, safe, etc.

    poor areas of Birmingham or Leeds, things are economically as bad as in some regions

    I agree. What they call “poor working class people” in the UK, would be categorized by most of us as middle class in Russia or Ukraine, in terms of standard of living, housing, income and lifestyle.

    That’s not to say, there is not a working class people in the Great Britain – but this is a cultural working class people; while in terms of living standards, most of the English working class people, are at similar material levels as many middle class people internationally.

    This documentary below on YouTube seems to me such an example of how the perspective of British has become after 2-3 generations of high economic development (I assume Great Britain reached a universal first world level by around 1970 or 1980).

    Today, UK television produces documentaries about “tragic life of poorest working class children that live in mass apartment buildings”.

    While it it is sad that poor children in the UK don’t live in the spacious houses – from an international perspective, they still have modern housing, with advanced infrastructure, and access to excellent public services (hi-tech hospitals, etc).
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ijCAsv384.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  175. Levtraro says:
    @Shortsword

    Clearly, the Kremlin has had enough with this character, patience run out, so after returning from Germany they went all in to put him in prison. That’s why they released the tape at this time. The Germans played their card and the Kremlin replied by taking the bet and playing its cards.

  176. Levtraro says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I assume you mean slavery of blacks by Arabs? If so, didn’t the Arabs castrate all their slaves?

    The answer is “probably not”, judging from the large number of totally black, Sub-Saharan people that are abundant in the Arab world and that have lived there for many generations, many occupying high positions in gov’t, academia, business.

  177. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    I don’t think so. Pre-industrial population levels were much lower. Even lower if we look at the hunter-gatherer tribes. Or is there something I m missing that you grandma could explain?

    Yes, you are missing something but grandma is taking a nap right now, can’t disturb her (if she was awake I’d not be posting stuff here). Anyways, she thinks that the fact that our biomass was lower in the past, as you point out, does not mean that that was the maximum human biomass that nature can support. All animal population start low and then grow or go extinct. When they don’t go extinct they grow to the maximum size nature can support and then they stay put at that natural maximum size or fluctuate around that size, until conditions change radically. Humans have not yet reached that natural maximum. If most human bodies stopped using tech, total human biomass would still grow to the maximum size only with much less environmental impact.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  178. @Dmitry

    I whole heartedly agree with you, but humans have often propensity to think that grass is greener on the other side or – хорошо там, где нас нет.

    Still if we take in account how quickly Britain, or actually England is demographically transforming, I would not be so optimistic about the future of the English nation. White British and Irish were already just 47% of population of London in 2011. In 80s London was almost completely English city. Russias demographic and ethnic trends are not anywhere comparable to the change that USA, UK and France are undergoing. Also I would enjoy more living in average neighbourhood in Minsk than in Rosengård Malmö, which is full of semi ghettoised Muslims.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  179. @AltanBakshi

    Somehow I did not properly conclude my Dharmic musings about the true nature of things. So here it will be.

    Things nature/quality is defined by its relation to something else, therefore thing can not be anything in itself, because things do not exist in vacuum, but in relation with something else, which is same as dependently. This is the major reason why western philosophy has mostly failed us, and how it ripped the true meaning out from the existence, and gave birth to the materialistic nihilism, there is no value or truth in things itself, if we try to find such value, we find nothing.

    First westerners believed that everything existed in relation to God. God gave value to everything, for all perceivable was his creation, and reflection of his creative principle or intellect, but then westerners took God away, and started to believe in things itself, and fell into nihilism after finding that there are no moral or deeper truths in the things itself.

    The solution to that problem is to understand that things are defined by their relation, not by their own self being, their self being is temporary and illusory. How something looks or feels is as much dependent the subject as the object, both dont have independent existence, what else our mind is than a collection of sensory experiences, or momentary objects of the mind? You cant find such qualities as beauty, ugliness, harshness, colour, softness, sweetness, darkness in the things in itself, nor you can find such things in the mind itself, for our mind could not exist without mental objects, no sensing of something – no mind.

    All phenomenas are born by their relation to something else, that something seems to be something is just an effect of their relative nature, not the cause, we should not be like idiots trying to find where rainbow ends.

    The thing’s value is ONLY found in its relation to something else.

    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
  180. @Sinotibetan

    Must be from Malaysia I guess…for sure you will always feel Chinese in a Muslim pressure-cooker environment like that. Though you could do worse than Bumiputras – Muslim ethnic groups in countries like Iraq or Afghanistan are a lot more tribal/clan-based, whereas from what I understand, there are even a good number of young urban Malays who don’t vote for BN and are relatively moderate.

  181. @AltanBakshi

    “Language being the most important, and in almost every case, the necessary criteria ”

    Do you have a problem with comprehension?

    Personally, I think Irish identity is a bit fake. Unless everyday usage of Gaelic exceeds 50% (currently below 2%) then they are just a cute fun-loving type of Englishman.

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    , @AltanBakshi
  182. @Agathoklis

    what about those Greek basketball player brothers with Nigerian parents (I could google their names but you know the ones I mean of course). Are they Hellenised enough to be Greek with your criteria?

    • Troll: Agathoklis
    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  183. @Agathoklis

    I very much noticed your “in almost every case,” but its really not “in almost every case.” Maybe in half of cases, maybe in majority of cases, but not in almost every case. Your line of thought is very similar to French liberalism. If they speak French – they are French, or at least in almost every case. Nor is language always most important case, only few Gypsies speak their own tongue, still they are Gypsies.

    Actually Republic of Turkey would agree with you.

    Oh and Latin Americans are then mostly Spanish and Portuguese.

    • Replies: @Agathoklis
  184. @Pumblechook

    Sorry, I do not know of any Greek basketball players with Nigerian parents. I am aware of some Nigerian brothers masquerading as Hellenes.

    • Replies: @Pumblechook
    , @Pumblechook
  185. @Levtraro

    Perhaps you should tell your grandma that the quantity of biomass produced by the biosphere is mainly dependent on the energy provided by the sun, while also influenced by the climate.

    Therefore, there is a natural limitation on the quantity of living matter that the biosphere can sustain at any given latitude. The biomass is converted and the energy transferred through the trophic networks from the microorganisms to the apex predators such as man. The apex predators are always few in numbers. The number of northern neolithic hunter gatherers was similar to the number of wolves and was in direct competition with them for their share of large game.

    The agriculture has allowed to feed more people, but only where the climate was appropriate. Iron age Fenno-Scandia was scantily populated, as was pre-Columbian Canada. Sometimes, better climate conditions allowed to bring more children to the adult age, but good arable land has always been in short supply. People had to migrate from Fenno-Scandia or kill and replace the neighboring tribes in Canada to keep the ratio of people to arable land constant.

    The return to the land and pre-industrial agriculture is only possible if we drastically cull human crowds. Which will happen automatically, as soon as modern health-care and nanny state are no longer available to those living outside the smart-cities. Just cut the logistics and the country people won’t have a multitude of goods they receive from industrial centers. Industrial centers in China that is, they will have less clothing, no tools, no more chemical fertilizer, no more spare parts for their farming machinery and no more gasoline, no more light bulbs, no more electricity.

    Perhaps around 20% would survive on their own (through cannibalism ?). The biosphere will be cleansed of the obnoxious hairless bipedal apes. Greta Thunberg will be greatly pleased…

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  186. @AltanBakshi

    I did mention ancestry, culture and geography. A Moroccan living in Lyon might know French but he would not satisfy the other criteria.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  187. @128

    Charles Murray is implying that is the case. He said that the prodiminance of Jews in the elite American universities proves that Jews are the chosen race.

    Charles Murray thought that he could escape Jewish censure for his HBD observations by putting Jews at the top of the pyramid, didn’t matter an Iota to them they kicked him to the curb, the Jews have a very justifiable fear of white nationalism.

  188. @AltanBakshi

    What do you think of Neoplatonic concepts of independent existence in a world of ideas?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  189. @Agathoklis

    Okay okay, we were both half right or right in some way.

  190. @Bashibuzuk

    On the other hand, my very traditional grandmother- in-law taught her granddaughters not to learn too much or it would steal the light of wonder from their eyes.

    There’s some beauty in that thought.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  191. @Daniel Chieh

    I have read some books by Platon, but Ive never read one book by Plotinus or some other Neoplatonist, so I cant surely say, but in my opinion independently existing world of ideas is grasping, thinking that things have an ultimate nature, its one of the reasons why Western thought has fallen in nihilism, because how the hell something like an apple or a dog can have a truly and permanently existing idea behind them? Something like love or beauty, or animals form, is born from interaction, in other words from their dependent nature.

    Now Im walking into unknown, Buddhism categorically denies the independent existence of things, but Buddhism could in theory accept World of Ideas, if it would exist in dependence with other worlds and beings.

    Buddha taught that there is the Realm of Forms, Rupadhatu, but I dont know if its same as Platonist Realm of Ideas, possibly, but Platon and Platonists believed that its the ultimate truth in itself, which would be subtle form of grasping, in other words better way of grasping than being attached on material forms, still such grasping does not release one from the Samsaric cycle.

    I dont know much about Buddhist Form Realms, just that the sensory forms there are very subtle, and that beings dont have gender there, also they dont reproduce sexually.

    https://studybuddhism.com/en/glossary/form-realm

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  192. @Daniel Chieh

    Heureux sont les pauvres en esprit…

    An old Sufi once told me: “If you learn too much, you may die of anger”. It rhymes in the Maghrebi dialect.

    • Thanks: Daniel Chieh
  193. @AltanBakshi

    Plotinus

    Highly important; Plotinus, Porphyry and Iamblichus were probably the highest point of intellectual evolution of the Antique Paganism.

    The pinacle, before it all crumbled down.

    • Replies: @Kent Nationalist
  194. @Beckow

    This is not rational.

    I think you have a point. Imperial elites are no longer rational. One can understand a rational desire to have an obedient puppet in the WH: senile half-corpse (or maybe a corpse, who knows) won’t question orders given. Bit when you are an elite, why undermine the country whose elite you are? Yet they are damaging the Empire more than its enemies could even dream of. Within less then two weeks two major blows were delivered to the US military. First, a Raytheon board member whose only qualification is politically correct skin color is made Sec Defense. Next, likely even more damaging, restrictions on trannies serving in the military were lifted. A blow was also delivered to the US dollar: yet more trillions were added to the Ponzi scheme of ballooning debt. The situation was precarious even before: there are a lot more sellers than buyers of the US treasuries. In fact, Fed issues its debt obligations and buys them itself, so only a total moron won’t smell a rat.

    Bottom line, the rationality is out of the window. The world must deal with the imperial elites the way people deal with crazies: don’t argue with them, just bind them up, lock them up, and make sure they can’t escape.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  195. @Bashibuzuk

    Hilarious idea that conjouring tricks and mystic drivel were the height of anything intellectual. These charlatans are even more blameworthy because they claimed the name of Plato.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  196. @Kent Nationalist

    conjouring tricks and mystic drivel

    It was way more than that. And it had a lasting imfluence on the evolution of Christian thought (through pseudo-Dionysius among others). In fact, I hardly understand your hostility.

  197. @Dmitry

    Can’t really argue with all that, but it’s not only just the slipping control of image management channels of all kinds that makes problems and discontent more visible – there is also great disconnect of some made images and reality, which is more than easy to exploit.

    I mean you really can’t that much discredit half naked Putin riding on the horse, cause he never was obese couch potato like NK leader or a person sitting in a wheelchair like FDR circa 1944, but you can easily discredit those fake images of modesty in small apartment room with Soviet furniture by showing Putin having spacious palace in reality.

    btw, Medvedev, who also received more than enough Navalny investigations, would have been little less vulnerable in some aspects, cause he did not go into such ridiculous masquerading as “an ordinary citizen” and did not bother when showing his real spacious living places with expensive audio gear:

    • Replies: @sudden death
  198. @Agathoklis

    haha well I quite agree, but from the brief snapshot of your comments which I could read, your tying of language to ethnicity appeared to give our Nigerian friends a Hellenic pass

  199. OT

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/02/sputnik-v-vaccine-has-916-efficacy-against-symptomatic-covid-russian-trial-suggests

    Russia’s Sputnik V vaccine has 91.6% efficacy against symptomatic coronavirus, interim trial results have suggested.

    The preliminary findings are based on analysis of data from more than 20,000, mostly white, adults, three-quarters of whom received the vaccine. The remainder received a placebo.

    No serious adverse events were deemed to be associated with vaccination, and most reported adverse events were mild, including flu-like symptoms, pain at the injection site and weakness or low energy, researchers wrote in the journal The Lancet.

    This is the fourth vaccine — after from those made by Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna and AstraZeneca/Oxford — for which phase 3 trial data has been published in a peer-reviewed medical journal.

    The vaccine, which is backed by the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), is administered in two injections 21 days apart. In the 21 days after the first dose, there were 16 cases of Covid-19 in the 14,964 people (0.1%) in the vaccine group, and 62 cases of the disease in the 4,902 individuals (1.3%) in the placebo group.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  200. @YetAnotherAnon

    You should post that in the latest Open Thread instead.

    • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
  201. The traitorous clown got his right deserts: remaining 3.5 years of Navalny probation were changed to 3.5 years in jail.

    • Replies: @Mikel
  202. Passer by says:

    Just like i predicted: Navalny gets 3,5 years in jail.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/habbening-russia-protests-2021/#comment-4425726

    Its not over yet, after Navalny gets jailed for several years (i’m 90 % sure of that) then things will get interesting. This will trigger joint US/EU sanctions and more protests on the streets. His wife will probably take over (Belarus Scenario). Nord Stream 2 could be cancelled as well, Gazprom is already hinting about that possibility. We will see.

    The only question is whether Putin stays in power after 2024 or not. My take was that he will finish his mandate by 2024, but someone else will be the candidate of United Russia for President after 2024. Of course, i could be wrong about it. We will see.

    • Thanks: Californian Candidate
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  203. @Agathoklis

    oh forgot to say, feck off with your ‘troll’ button you fragile Greek

  204. @Shortsword

    “You should post that in the latest Open Thread instead”

    There wasn’t one when I posted it!

  205. @Levtraro

    So human population grows just like so many other species, bacteria in a Petri dish, fish in coastal waters, worms in muddy subsoil.

    Animals experience peaks and falls to population, so it’s not like it’s a steady point which is reached. This is especially true of predators, which swing wildly in a rough pendulum with their primary prey animals.

    Humans in such an existence would probably turn back to warfare and concentration of power.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  206. @Passer by

    The only question is whether Putin stays in power after 2024 or not.

    That’s the most important question of all. Russia needs a good president, it deserves a good president, but I don’t see anyone clearly qualified who is significantly (by 20 years or more) younger than Putin. We’ll see.

    BTW, the issue of traitorous clown Navalny is totally irrelevant with respect to this question. His ilk cannot be trusted to run a McDonalds franchise, let alone a country like Russia.

  207. Greta immediately writes this. LOL.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  208. @Shortsword

    Our new Joan of Arc feels somewhat lacking, I fear.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Bashibuzuk
  209. @Daniel Chieh

    Our new Joan of Arc feels somewhat lacking, I fear.

    She is lacking in more ways than one. Intelligence is the thing that lacks most. She should be sent to the most “natural” places in Africa. The locals would rape and then eat her, with no environmental damage and with saving a monkey or two. Win-win.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  210. Beckow says:
    @AnonFromTN

    …Imperial elites are no longer rational.

    My point is that imperial elites are never rational. What Caesar did was irrational, why murder millions of Gauls to get a parade in Rome? The Macedonian was a definition of irrational (and immature) moron – marching to nowhere for glory. Napoleon was thoroughly irrational, so was Hitler and his minions. But no rational arguments could prevail on them because they were ‘making history‘. We have a large part of an elite that bought into “progressivism” – all must change, all at the same time, and “progress is inevitable”. Right, it has been given that trannies will rule the world, that a traditional family must disappear, that sh..t west of Elbe doesn’t smell. This is what they believe, it is not salvageable.

    The Western elites are disoriented, don’t understand the context, above all they are scared. They have spent 200+ years building up a set of institutions, rules, behaviour guidelines, etc…and then they glibly threw it away: no rules, no context, nothing but narcissistic preaching. This is very stupid: the rules protect the strong and the elites, they have a lot more interest in preserving them than anyone else. Without rules and consistency a large part of the Western power disappears – one for one, the components of the West and non-West are not that fundamentally different. What has made West special – more valuable – was exactly the adherence to a set of rules.

  211. @AnonFromTN

    She’s autistic. The poor girl is used as a tool by unscrupulous people. They stole her childhood. It’s kind of sad actually. And now the whole world is having fun.

    Perhaps ThuFri could bring her some emotional solace?

    They could ride their bikes together…

    • LOL: Mikel
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Shortsword
  212. @Daniel Chieh

    Poor girl is a little bit underwater…

  213. @Bashibuzuk

    She’s autistic.

    She is not exactly autistic, more like suffers from Asperger’s syndrome (a milder form of autism). But from what I see her main problem is that she is plain stupid. Asperger’s syndrome symptoms are correctable by medication, stupidity is not.

  214. @Bashibuzuk

    There’s no reason to be sad for her. She will be able to live well for the rest of her life having comfortable jobs in environmental organisations.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  215. @AnonFromTN

    She’s still a kid, she will grow up. But her parents are wrong getting her involved into all this.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  216. @AnonFromTN

    Asperger’s syndrome is technically no longer a diagnosis on its own. It’s now part of a broader category called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). DSM-5 consolidated the previous four categories (autistic disorder, asperger syndrome, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder) into one umbrella category of ASD.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  217. @Bashibuzuk

    She’s still a kid, she will grow up.

    As Russian joke expresses it, “when someone is dead, that’s for a long time, when someone is stupid, that’s forever”.

  218. @Californian Candidate

    Asperger’s syndrome is technically no longer a diagnosis on its own.

    I guess it’s true (I am no MD). Still, Asperger’s syndrome is a lot milder than full-blown autism. As far as Greta show is concerned, you can successfully manipulate Asperger’s syndrome suffer, but you can’t manipulate an autist the same way.

  219. @Passer by

    Geography is clear. Russia is Europe.

    • Replies: @Passer by
  220. Passer by says:
    @Philip Owen

    Europe is not Europe anymore. It is now anti-Europe. It is part of the NWO/LWO and is a rotting zombie of its former self. Well, good riddance to bad rubbish. Russia will stay away from that zombie.
    Asia’s MO is multipolar and multicivilisational. In it, there is a space for different civilisations, cultures and systems, including for Russia too.

  221. @Anatoly Karlin

    Gelendzhik is the location of Tander/Magnit’s main warehouse. There is a port there. Perhaps they are defending a major food security node? :-). Whoever was paying ran out of money when the economy crashed in 2014.

    Rosenberg definitely had a cash crisis in 2016.

  222. Mikel says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The traitorous clown got his right deserts: remaining 3.5 years of Navalny probation were changed to 3.5 years in jail.

    Did he really commit any crime?

    And I haven’t paid much attention to this story but being abroad recovering from a coma sounds like a good enough reason for failing to meet some of his parole commitments.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @Levtraro
  223. @Mikel

    Did he really commit any crime?

    I didn’t follow his trials, but he was convicted and serving a suspended sentence. As to coma, he arrived in Germany in a coma, but likely wasn’t in that state for long. People who spend a week or more in a coma relearn how to walk, like toddlers, whereas he was running around allegedly right after exiting coma. Also, when the wife of “anti-corruption crusader” sports Gucci handbags, it is hard not to smell a rat. The story of the making of the film about alleged Putin’s palace (BTW, this particular fake was recycled from ~ 10 years ago) was uncovered by German journalists. It does not reflect on Navalny or his paymasters well. The story of its making and the rest of Navalny behavior constitutes the crime of treason, which carries a lot lengthier sentence (in all countries) than less than 4 years he got. I hold it as a fault of Russian authorities that he was not put in jail from the get-go and is not now tried for more serious crimes than theft and embezzling he was convicted of. I suspect Putin kept him free, as he was discrediting “opposition” better than FSB ever could. I believe Putin should not have bent the law to achieve this goal.

  224. Levtraro says:
    @Mikel

    Did he really commit any crime?

    He was found guilty of embezzlement (~$400,000) in 2014 in a case involving the Russian branch of the French company Ives Rocher. He is also charged with fraud over money received from donations (~$4.8 million) and defamation of a war veteran in two other separate cases. He failed to show for penitentiary controls of his parole even though he appeared in the news as physically fit and had received a warning from Russian judicial authorities.

    I guess his original jail sentence was suspended after pressure from the Kremlin fearing repercussions and bad noises from western Europe. But then the Kremlin run out of patience after his latest antics and did not help him walk out this time.

  225. Dmitry says:
    @sudden death

    Lol Medvedev’s famous $250,000 hi-fi system, which he had upgraded a year later.

    You have to admire Medvedev’s ability to overpower his wife to allow him to place those speakers in the dining room of a presidential residence.

    On the other hand, the problem with Medvedev in cool things like this (i.e. spending $250000 on the hi-fi system) is the suspicion is that he doesn’t know what he is doing, and just goes to the hi-fi shop, and asked them to sell to him the most expensive components.

    If he was a hi-fi nerd, you possibly would expect a mixture of cheap and expensive components. $100000 for speakers could be justifiable, but he spent $10000 on a CD player. And his English turntable for $30000.

    • Replies: @Shortsword
  226. Levtraro says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Yes, some animal populations fluctuate, some of them wildly, especially those that are short-lived with very separate generations (e.g. some insects), but most remain stable or fluctuate in limit cycles, especially those with many generations living contemporaneously because of demographic/population inertia. What you descrive for predators and prey is actually very uncommon, it has been observed in mathematical modelling, but empirically in just a few cases in nature, and in the lab those predator-prey fluctuations are short-lived and cannot sustain themselves (with a few exceptions).

    The human population is not one of those that experience limit cycles, at least not yet. Humans are growing in pop size and biomass to their asymtotic size in a very smooth fashion because we are a young successful species, having just passed the exponential growth phase, and will reach the high plateau rather soon. After we reach the plateau maybe we will start having limit cycles about the plateau or we will remain at the plateau until something happens that bring us down. I am talking tens of thousand of years.

    Humans under the world envisioned by grandma would not turn back to warfare and concentration of power any more that happens already under the current situation, probably much less because the large fraction of anarchists will not indulge in large scale warfare. The State magnifies things. It can help produce the International Space Station but it can also turn private murder into global warfare.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  227. Dmitry says:
    @AltanBakshi

    80s London was almost completely English city. Russia’s demographic and ethnic trends are not anywhere comparable to the change t

    Assuming absence of adequate border control and political willpower to enforce strict immigration regimes, the flooding with immigrants, is the other side of the coin of having a higher economic level than the world average.

    In Russia it is economically successful cities which are getting most flooded with immigrants. For example, Armenians immigrants are flooding as far as Ufa now. Bashkortostan is one of the economic successes of Russia in recent years, and the arrival of Caucasian is a “reward” of relative economic success.

    On other hand, if you look at the source countries for emigration – they have falling levels of multinationalism. Uzbekistan was extremely multinational in Soviet times, but with its continuing low economic level, it becomes more Uzbek in terms of national composition every year.

    Another source country of mass immigration to Russia, Armenia, is itself one of the most ethnically pure countries in the world – over 98% racially Armenian and others are local Yazidis. And this situation is maintained because it’s the failed economy.

    But if Armenia and Uzbekistan, had economies like Sweden and Netherlands – then they would have to build walls to stop Russian and Ukrainian immigrants flooding their countries, and they would likely have increasingly multinational demographic compositions.

    Minsk than in Rosengård Malmö, which is full of semi ghettoised Muslims.

    I assume there are annoying Islamist neighbours, but you would also have Swedish incomes, infrastructure, hospitals, etc.

    As is famous on the internet, even prisons in Sweden, can appear to be better quality accommodation than the world average peoples’ apartments .

    • Replies: @128
    , @Coconuts
    , @AltanBakshi
  228. 128 says:
    @Dmitry

    Armenia has been growing at 7 percent a year for the past few years, far better than Azerbaijan.

  229. @Levtraro

    Human population growth in the last 200 years is largely dependent on industrial development. Specifically, in the last 100 or so, it is dependent on fossil fuel and chemical fertilizer. Also better hygiene, vaccination and especially antibiotics have spared us the losses we usually periodically take from epidemics. Pediatric medecine has reduced the deaths at birth and in infancy that were widespread. Bottom line, without the organized, industrial society awash with cheap energy, we would not have reached the numbers we currently have. The plateau would have been much lower.

    The carrying capacity for the biosphere can and has been calculated. IIRC at the Western middle class standards of consumption, the biosphere could accomodate a maximum of 2 billion people. That is, with the current level of technological development. If technology moves forward the efficiency of our exploiting of biosphere and mineral ressources increases, while the pollution decreases and we might have more people enjoying a middle class standard of living.

    Problem is, the technological market capitalism is a self enforcing positive loop. If left to itself, going through its dialectic creation and destruction phases, it always brings overall economic efficiency and performance higher. And sooner or later, it would transform our civilization beyond recognition. We would reach some technological Singularity or some technological disaster or both. As Nick Land has aptly summarized: “nothing human comes out here alive “.

    Therefore, your grandma and her friends came to the conclusion that it’s better to avoid such outcome and shutdown capitalism. Reverse industrialization for the majority of humankind and place the industrial technological centers under tight control in smart cities. They prefer not taking the risk of a Singularity happening in the next couple of decades (hence the fixation on year 2030). They would instead go towards a caste system with 3/4 of humankind being outcast proles surviving on the outskirts of civilization and 1/4 being technological slave statepeople living inside smart-cities. This would yield a drastic drop in human population, which would indeed reach a plateau around perhaps 4 billion worldwide. Viral and other engineered epidemics could also help achieve the desired outcome faster. All you need to do is limit vaccination to the statepeople and periodically spread some virus among the anarchist outcasts.

    Of course your grandma and her friends would enjoy the same standard of living and freedom that they have today. And as one of them told recently on record “I always think of my grandchildren “. They know that their grandchildren will be better off in the world they envision after the Great Bifurcation between the statepeople slaves and the anarchist outcasts. Their grandchildren would have everything transhumanist tomorrows would allow them to reach for. They would have achieved demigod status and cheated the demon of market capitalism by circumnavigating around the Singularity.

    What’s not to like?

    And who cares about the billions that have not fit into this picture and perished in the transition…

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @Levtraro
  230. @Dmitry

    Mishustin is a great step up. Mishustin in general seems to be what Medvedev should’ve been.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  231. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    Assuming absence of adequate border control and political willpower to enforce strict immigration regimes, the flooding with immigrants, is the other side of the coin of having a higher economic level than the world average.

    There is also this somewhat counter-intuitive but clear phenomena of an improving economic level leading to a below replacement level birthrate among the native population and a shrinking native population. This creates some of the space, and demand, for new migrants.

    I think what can be seen, in the UK at least, is that this shrinkage is going to continue, and the rate is going to increase as TFR per white British couple continues to fall, raising a question as to what the longer term advantage of attaining this level of economic development is for the original population.

    I assume there are annoying Islamist neighbours, but you would also have Swedish incomes, infrastructure, hospitals, etc.

    As is famous on the internet, even prisons in Sweden, can appear to be better quality accommodation than the world average peoples’ apartments .

    I’m not sure about Sweden, but as far as the UK goes I can speak from a bit of experience; being white, comparing living in a poor area of Leeds with a significant Afro-Caribbean/Pakistani population, and thinking about having children, and Minsk, Minsk seems to offer better prospects for their future.

    This was something that was getting clearer before the BLM thing emerged. This is another new facet of the consequences of large amounts of immigration, gradually reaching the stage when movements arise that aim to consciously dismantle the previous native culture and replace it with some strange Afro-centric/Islam/globohomo hybrid.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  232. @Dmitry

    Assuming absence of adequate border control and political willpower to enforce strict immigration regimes, the flooding with immigrants, is the other side of the coin of having a higher economic level than the world average.

    You dont need “strict immigration regime,” just what Germany and Italy had couple decades ago, I wouldnt call their policy in near history as strict. If you walked in some medium sized German town in early 2000s, you rarely saw any visible immigrants then, unlike now. Though former DDR outside Berlin is still extremely German, thanks Honecker!

    In my opinion Armenians as immigrants are nowhere comparable with uneducated Muslims from Middle East and Africa. Also Armenia is an exception among its neigbours, they as a nation, lost their Central regions and ended up with small ethnic, sorry, Bantustan. They are homogenic because of extremely unlucky chain of events, not because they themselves strived to become such.

    On other hand, if you look at the source countries for emigration – they have falling levels of multinationalism. Uzbekistan was extremely multinational in Soviet times, but with its continuing low economic level, it becomes more Uzbek in terms of national composition every year.

    Beneath the surface Uzbekistan is still much more multicultural than Russia, and will be, for a long time. There is huge minority of unrecognised Tajiks, why you ask? Oh its complicated, because of Stalins legacy, Soviet ethnic policies and modern nationalism, then there are Karakalpaks(whose women are surprisingly beautiful). Also lets not forget Uzbeks themselves, who are artificial and synthetic ethnic group created by the Soviet Union, they are an amalgation of more Iranian looking town dwellers and farmers called Sarts and the more Asian looking pastoral or semi-pastoral inhabitants of surrounding semi arid or arid lands, who were called by various tribal names. Thats why you can sometimes see Uzbeks who look almost fully East Asian, and sometimes almost fully Iranian. There was so much confusion in the 19th century, that Czarist authorities often did know who are Tajiks and who are Sarts, they were so culturally similar.

    Oh well its not good for real Türks and Mongols to live in artificial nation states, they need Empires… Best hope for them is Russia, people of Central Asia would welcome the returning of the Russian rule, except Kazakhs, so some violence is needed, they got too good deal from the fall of the Soviet Union. When the Russian man will revive his imperial instinct, then too his fertility will return. I promise!

    There should be somekind of delineation of political spheres in Asia, between Russia, China and India. East Asia and SEA to China, Central Asia to Russia and so on.

    [MORE]

    As is famous on the internet, even prisons in Sweden, can appear to be better quality accommodation than the world average peoples’ apartments .

    Though superficially still little better looking than commie blocks, there are often times when police fears to go there, when its emergency. Lots of burning of cars, literal bombings and vandalism.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_in_Sweden

    https://m.dw.com/en/bombs-shootings-are-a-part-of-life-in-swedish-city-malmo/a-51337737

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  233. @Bashibuzuk

    Theres always been alarmists, in the 70s the Club of Rome said that we shouldnt have oil left by now, in the 90s they cried about ozone depletion, or the Global cooling scare and so on. All these scaremongers always forget that mankind does not live in a technological stasis, or that men are quite innovative unlike dumb beasts.

    I very much believe that with proper administration and reasonable politics, our Earth could sustain 30 billion people, even with the current level of technological development.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  234. @AltanBakshi

    Me and my bad English, I should have written:

    The thing’s NATURE is ONLY found in its relation to something else.

    Now the profound meaning is conveyed.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  235. @AltanBakshi

    Theres always been alarmists, in the 70s the Club of Rome said that we shouldnt have oil left by now, in the 90s they cried about ozone depletion, or the Global cooling scare and so on

    I agree. It’s actually the same people or at least these organizations have been created by the same people who follow a similar ideology. This ideology is possibly more about denying technological progress to the human masses than protecting environment.

    All these scaremongers always forget that mankind does not live in a technological stasis, or that men are quite innovative unlike dumb beasts.

    Quite the opposite: they are aware of the human abilities to innovate and want to control it as much as possible. It is not a coincidence that the rate of technological innovation outside of the information technology has actually decreased since the end of the Cold War.

    Today these people are afraid of the technological Singularity more than anything else. Two reasons for that: they know that their privileged lives, based on old moneys and aristocratic/financial/corporative networks, might become irrelevant in the post-Singularity technological cornucopia and they also are aware of the existential risks described by Nick Bostrom.

    This also explains why they are obsessed with the globalist agenda : they want to make sure that technological Singularity would not mushroom somewhere out of their control. And they have always been antinatalists obsessed with decrease of the reproduction of the great unwashed masses. So they want to lower the number of humans: less to control, more nature around, the polar bears and baby seals are happy…

  236. @AltanBakshi

    Beautiful painting. What’s in the bowl that Bodhidharma is holding in his left hand. And who is the person on his right?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  237. @Bashibuzuk

    He is not Bodhidharma, but One of the Sixteen Arhats, though in China they are known as 18 Arhats. He is from Kashmir and Kanakavatsa is his name. That bowl is monks alms bowl, his life was somehow connected with Nagas/Dragons. I dont know who the other people are, monk is probably his attendant.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
  238. @Shortsword

    Mishustin in general seems to be what Medvedev should’ve been.

    Yep. Mishustin appears competent, in sharp contrast to Medvedev. However, competent executive is not the same as a visionary with strategic perspective. Russia needs the latter for president. It remains to be seen whether Mishustin fits the bill.

    • Agree: Jazman
    • Replies: @Jazman
    , @Shortsword
  239. Aedib says:

    However, competent executive is not the same as a visionary with strategic perspective. Russia needs the latter for president.

    Yeap. I totally agree. I like Gerasimov for the task.

  240. Jazman says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Lavrov would be perfect for president if he is now 55 to 60 year old

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
  241. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Grandma likes you comments. She is very busy right now, having a zoom-conference call with people in several countries. But she says for the record, (1) she is not anticipating a large drop in human biomass once segregation governance becomes established as the natural evolution of liberalism and that humans will just reach their biologically pre-determined asymptotic size by late century, and (2) she would join the anarchists and live in freedom if she was alive at that time, which I very much doubt given her age. She adds that capitalism will thrive with the anarchists, real, hard-core anarcho-capitalism, while a mixed economy will be the norm with statepeople.

    • Thanks: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  242. @Levtraro

    Thank your grandma on my behalf, she is such a dignified lady. If her vision is implemented without a major loss in human lives, then I would wholeheartedly agree and subscribe to the segregated government approach. Your grandma and her family and friends could come and visit our clan’s anarcho-traditionalist homestead hamlet, they will always be welcome. I am pretty certain your grandma will know where to find me.

    I plan to raise organic fed sheep and rabbits and have a kraft marijuana production as a cash crop. I would be very pleased to share anything we have with your grandma and her loved ones. Some marijuana cultivars are exceedingly pleasant as an infusion when mixed with Twinning’s Earl Grey tea that your grandma likes. We could drink a couple of cups while I’d be cooking Irish lamb that we would have for supper.

    OTOH, what about that Chinese uncle of yours? I wonder if he agrees with your grandma’s vision. Because if he disagrees, then we have a major problem. He is a man of character and looks quite stubborn…

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @Levtraro
  243. AKAHorace says:
    @Sinotibetan

    This wokeness is an unbalanced , unfair and (mentally) unhealthy position that downplays anything good about European civilizations’ achievements while emphasizing only the negative and deleterious ones. At the same time, with their preferred ‘groups’ especially blacks, LBGTQ, Islamic world, woke people will somehow overrate these groups’ achievements /lack of it and downplay their negatives,or have apologetics for them.

    Another tendency of wokeness is to lump the whole non western world together. We whites have a tendency to to this anyway and it leads us to missread the world. Wokeness just takes the views of a 20th century white bigot who lumps together everyone/thing that is non white and despises them and reverses this. So now everyone who is not white are “people of colour” and more enlightened and virtuous than we are. Both attitudes assume that westerners are unique and that everyone who is not us is similar.

    Sorry for the late reply.

    • Replies: @Coconuts
  244. @AnonFromTN

    I don’t think he should become the president. It’s better if he doesn’t have to worry that much about international diplomacy. The Mishustin Medvedev comparison was in terms on modernization. Medvedev carried out a modernization program but much of it was superficial. Mishustin seems much more capable of actually implementing modernization reforms.

  245. @Bashibuzuk

    have a kraft marijuana production as a cash crop

    Once again, sorry to spoil peoples fun, but:

    Selling of intoxicants is one of the Five wrong livelihoods.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  246. Levtraro says:
    @Bashibuzuk

    Mmh, grandma prefers not to comment on other branches of the family at this time but she welcomes the invitation to your anarcho-traditional estate. She told me from a very early age, while sitting on her lap, little levtri when you grow you go to work with the anarcho-capitalists but then go a take your vacations with the anarcho-commies, they are much better with the means of goofing about!

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  247. @AltanBakshi

    Selling of intoxicants is one of the Five wrong livelihoods.

    People simply can’t believe that you actually follow Buddhist teachings. Most “religious” people subscribe to “do what the priest says, not what the priest does”.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  248. @AnonFromTN

    Actually Buddha explicitly forbid his lay followers to sell intoxicants, poison, slaves, meat and weapons. There is a different set of rules and obligations for monks and laypersons. Because of Buddhas prohibition of some trades, there was traditionally group of people in Buddhist countries, who were thought as outcaste, like Burakumin in Japan, Baekjeong in Korea, I dont know their name in China, in Tibet problem was resolved by bringing foreigners to do work that was seen as polluting, mainly Kashmiris who were not Buddhist.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/burakumin

    Several fanciful theories about their “foreign” origins were once popular; the scholarly consensus is now that the original burakumin were simply impoverished Japanese who had drifted into beggary or lowly occupations, especially occupations tabooed by orthodox Shintō and Buddhism (such as leather making) involving the taking of life.

    “Monks, a lay follower should not engage in five types of business. Which five? Business in weapons, business in human beings, business in meat, business in intoxicants, and business in poison. These are the five types of business that a lay follower should not engage in.”

    -Buddha

    Vanijja Sutta, AN 5:177

    This is from the Theravada canon, which is most commonly available of all Buddhist canons in internet, but with minor variations same is stated in Chinese and Tibetan Buddhist canons.

    Still there are some Buddhists who engage in such trades, but its seen as a major hindrance in ones path. Very rarely Buddha explicitly prohibited something from the lay people.

    I should add, that I personally believe that any one can be a Buddhist, but it still should be known that its harder to make merit in Buddhist sense if one sells intoxicants, poison etc…

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  249. Coconuts says:
    @AKAHorace

    Another tendency of wokeness is to lump the whole non western world together. We whites have a tendency to to this anyway and it leads us to missread the world. Wokeness just takes the views of a 20th century white bigot who lumps together everyone/thing that is non white and despises them and reverses this. So now everyone who is not white are “people of colour” and more enlightened and virtuous than we are. Both attitudes assume that westerners are unique and that everyone who is not us is similar.

    The Woke seem to be operating in a somewhat different way at the moment; the world is divided into white, black, brown and Asian and this is closely based on phenotype. It is something that can be seen in Woke analysis of issues like ‘the poor white’ and whiteness as a ‘dominant discourse’.

    Blacks have played a significant role in creating this categorisation, the way it always centres blackness has obvious influence from the black liberation movement and black nationalism. They are Westerners but are not white ones. Whites in the West who support this kind of thing probably have a kind of martyr or self-flagellation complex. I suspect it is very Western centred because it has developed in the context of race activism in the US and to a lesser extent other Western European countries.

  250. @AltanBakshi

    Sorry, Im going little overdrive with my Buddhism writings lately, Ill just try to concentrate on politics and history now. Some religious people often tend to forget that for others, their stuff is not the most important thing in the world. So Bashibuzuk just grow huge forests of Ganja. (as long as its for medical use, is it wrong?)

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  251. @AltanBakshi

    I will grow the CBD strains.

    🙂

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  252. @sudden death

    This is pure cretinism commentary. Putin has a justified reputation for modesty in living, during times when he could easily be corrupt you dimwit ( as Sobchak’s assistant in Saint Petersburg, and head of FSB). Even scumbags as Mascha Gessen and Berizovsky have confirmed his modest lifestyle during those times.

    My following statement isn’t proof or even scientific – but a picture or photo does tell a story, and in the photos of Putin’s kids with other kids ( other kids like those of fugitive bankers) , his children appear completely out of place, because they are so modest in demeanor compared to the genuinely rich kids next to them. It’s so obvious that anybody would make the same observation.

    Who is rich though, is the KGB lesbian psychopath Dalia, ex-President of Lithuania ( were this bitch’s election win also not “free and fair” using your BS logic, because she also won her elections by a big margin?)

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  253. @Gerard-Mandela

    haha, nobody would have a reason for a slightest peep if Putin built for himself a house like oh so rich Dalia, who won her second and final term with such a big margin that even second round was needed:

  254. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    children, and Minsk, Minsk seems to offer better prospects for their future.

    I don’t know about Belarus, but – to be a child in the postsoviet countries in general?

    It’s even an advantage, probably, compared to overprotected, spoilt Western children.

    The problem is much more for most young adults, finishing university, there is a huge whole in the career ladder, while in the West it is a lot easier to get somewhere.

    somewhat counter-intuitive but clear phenomena of an improving economic level leading to a below replacement level birthrate among the native population and a shrinking native population

    From a historical point of view (and if you stopped immigration), it would seem homeostatic.

    When Jane Austen was writing her novels, the United Kingdom population was only around 11 million people.

    This United Kingdom in which was written “Pride and Prejudice” and “Sense and Sensibility”, had the same population, as Cuba or Czech Republic, has today.

    The population growth occurred across the 19th/20th century is unprecedented, and a fall would seem sensible intuitively.

    World population growth as the industrial revolution spreads outwards from Great Britain:

    The problem is not that everyone else is moderating, but that an Africa will likely not moderate population growth this century.

  255. Dmitry says:
    @AltanBakshi

    superficially still little better looking than commie

    I’ve never even been in Sweden, so my knowledge is lacking. But from YouTube, I assume these can be quite nice inside this kind of building in Malmo?

    Lots of burning of cars, literal bombings and vandalism.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombings_in_Sweden

    https://m.dw.com/en/bombs-shootings-are-a-part-of-life-in-swedish-city-malmo/a-51337737

    What’s the death rate from this though?

    Murder rate in Sweden is 1,12 per 100,000, while murder rate in Malmo is 3,4 per 100,000 people.

    So Malmo has murder rate more than 3 times the Swedish average. Relative to Sweden, this is a dangerous city.

    But in the city my parents live safely and without problems – the murder is 4 times higher than Malmo, and over 11 times higher than the Sweden average. That is, their city has a murder rate higher than 12 per 100,000 people.

    In terms of national comparison, even Malmo is not exactly Mexico. (And Sweden overall is obviously a safe country for most of its residents, from the statistical perspective).

    Some of this can be obscured by regional differences. For example, Moscow has a significantly lower murder rate than Malmo. Moscow has murder rate of only 2,26, while Malmo is 3,4. (Although it could go lower – in London murder rate is only 1,2).

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  256. @Dmitry

    Murder is not everything, mugging, raping, vandalism, noisiness are also problems, etc. In India murder rate is very low, still its not anywhere as safe for women to walk there in night time as in many western towns/cities/countryside.

    Also for a European country the population density of England is crazy high.

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  257. Coconuts says:

    I don’t know about Belarus, but – to be a child in the postsoviet countries in general?

    It’s even an advantage, probably, compared to overprotected, spoilt Western children.

    The problem is much more for most young adults, finishing university, there is a huge whole in the career ladder, while in the West it is a lot easier to get somewhere.

    Yes, this is partly why I was being quite focused in the two things I was comparing, because Minsk is not typical for post-Soviet cities in general and there are lots of areas of the UK which are much better than the poorer areas of the big cities with large ethnic minority and immigrant populations.

    The point about problems arising due spoilt and overprotected children is interesting, I’ve thought in the past that strange social trends may emerge from this in the medium/long term.

    The population growth occurred across the 19th/20th century is unprecedented, and a fall would seem sensible intuitively.

    This increase was caused by continuing improvement in the material conditions of the population compared to 1800. A population decline to the levels of 1800 in a period with the standard of living and technology at our current levels does not obviously seem intuitive, unless population level is something independent of variables like infant mortality rate, standard of nutrition, medical care, quality of life and so on. This is always possible, it would be an interesting phenomena.

    Also, importantly, the population of the UK is not projected to decline this century, but to increase. Only the white part of the population is projected to decline significantly. I suspect that going back to the Britain of the 1960s, even the 1990s, and trying to explicitly sell the option of continuing economic growth and improvement at the price of most of the population of the British Isles being made up of people of South Asian and African ancestry would have been a challenge.

    Demographic change like this may not actually happen, but so far the indications are that politically there is at least as much commitment as before to pressing on with it.

  258. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Also for a European country the population density of England is crazy high.

    It’s supposed to increase, and they are indeed building houses all over the place, even where I am, which is rural and economically quite stagnant compared to the rest of England.

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  259. @Coconuts

    Yep, people think that Japan is densely populated, it is, but England is much worse.

    I dont understand why people who want to limit immigration to England, dont just use population density as their argument? Even leftists should understand that its not good for nature, or for peoples mental health when theres too many people living on one square km, or what its does for affordable housing? USA or Sweden cant use such arguments, but England could easily, the small island is literally full of people, what’s the limit? 80 million, or 100? England is near the top already, if England would be its own country, it would be among the 5 most densely inhabited countries of the world.

    Some population density examples:

    -England 432/km2
    -Germany 232/km2
    -Japan 334/km2
    -France 104/km2

    Heres an interesting map, that for a some time I have wanted to share with you guys.

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    , @Coconuts
    , @Dmitry
  260. @AltanBakshi

    In practice Japan is more densely populated. Most of the country are mountainous regions not fit for agriculture or living. England on the other hand is only cities and farmland.

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  261. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    I dont understand why people who want to limit immigration to England, dont just use population density as their argument? Even leftists should understand that its not good for nature, or for peoples mental health when theres too many people living on one square km, or what its does for affordable housing? USA or Sweden cant use such arguments, but England could easily, the small island is literally full of people, what’s the limit? 80 million, or 100? England is near the top already, if England would be its own country, it would be among the 5 most densely inhabited countries of the world.

    It’s strange but in immigration discussion it isn’t raised as an issue that often, except by ordinary people and, as far as I know, a small number of dissident right and environmentalists. The leftists even had a thing of ridiculing the idea that Britain was densely populated by including the Scottish highlands and NI in the calculations when it was useful to do so.

    The basic reason for this seems to be that all of the main parties, including the British Green Party, have been committed to remaining positive about high levels of immigration, the left for ideological and the right for financial/business reasons. This means the way that increasing the population beyond 80 million via mass immigration might impact the same parties’ environmental policy goals is never discussed seriously.

    The population density of England is clear when you compare it with places like Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine… some of the regional cities there seem spacious and almost semi-empty compared to English ones. It’s kind of sad when you see old films and photos and old maps and you can tell how much more free space there used to be, which is now filled with buildings.

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  262. Dmitry says:
    @Coconuts

    I haven’t visited Northern England cities like Birmingham, but my impression of some of the cities of the South half of England is that they are really successful in various ways: e.g. having a high quality of housing and well designed shopping areas you can conveniently walk through.

    Pre-automobile designed cities in the UK, have some of the best balance between public and private space, in my opinion.

    E.g. the city Windsor, where there are almost no apartment buildings, yet there is enough population density in the close built houses, for it to be easily walkable.

    What I notice unpleasantly about England and Ireland is a lack of wild, uninhabited areas, between the cities. Most land is converted to farming, and there is a lack of forests or interesting natural features.

    By comparison, in comparison countries like Spain or Japan, the cities can be more densely populated and dystopian than in UK and Ireland, but at the same time there are more beautiful wild uninhabited areas between major cities.

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  263. Dmitry says:
    @AltanBakshi

    And Scotland has a different balance to England; both with traditionally more densely constructed cities (Edinburgh and Glasgow), as well as proportionally much larger, wild unfarmable lands (Highlands).

  264. @Shortsword

    I know, Japan is like 70% of mountains and forests, but they have much, much more coastline, and for some reason a big part of humanity prefers to live on coastal regions.

    Still England has their Pennines and Moorlands, which are not very suitable for high density living.

    Anyway my point is not that England is the most densely populated land in the world(Japan England comparison was more of rhetorical argument), but that England, Japan, South Korea are all very densely populated in comparison to other regions of the world, and is there any sense to pursue policies that make them even more densely populated? If you are among top 10 most densely populated countries, should you try to have even higher ranking in such category? Also no one can claim that population density and affordable housing are some how racist arguments, they are wholly politically neutral.

  265. Coconuts says:
    @Dmitry

    I haven’t visited Northern England cities like Birmingham, but my impression of some of the cities of the South half of England is that they are really successful in various ways: e.g. having a high quality of housing and well designed shopping areas you can conveniently walk through.

    This is true, apart from London the smaller towns and cities in the South that I have visited (mainly Oxford, Cambridge and other smaller places in these counties) are very nice. Besides the quality of the architecture they usually have quite competent and careful local councils and planning authorities, and populations with good levels of civic engagement and interest in their environment.

    It is more patchy in the North, there are fine areas and there are more indifferent ones, probably related to the way in which the large cities arose quite rapidly in the 19th century and have larger working class and lower middle class populations (I’ve found that mostly the quality of ‘local elites’ is perceptibly different between Southern areas and Northern ones). There is also the phenomena of ‘urban sprawl’ or ribbon developments, apart from London this is common around Manchester, Birmingham and in Yorkshire, where what were once separate towns and villages, even cities, end up merging and blending into each other with little space between. Partly this is caused by the favourite low rise English housing styles, either semi-detached with small gardens or in the past, terraces.

    What I am finding strange is that these ribbon development tendencies are now emerging in the North East as well, new estates of quite non-descript modern houses keep springing up, and it is hard to tell what economic activity is the basis for this, other I suppose than that more land is available for development reasonably near large cities.

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