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In the immortal words of “Evola-Chan,” some random player on a Mount & Blade: Napoleonic Wars server: “Cuck is my favorite meme.”

When some meme hits casual chats on gaming servers, it could definitively be said to have gone mainstream. OUR WORK IS DONE! 😉

In general, I have found historically-themed and competitive FPS multiplayer sorts of games to be more right-leaning, full of guys raving about Donald Trump 2016 and the virtues of removing kebab and cryptic references to other, more obscure /pol/ memes, while RPG’s and especially “story”-themed games have a more overly SJWy demographic.

Paradox Plaza gamers (EU4, CK2, etc.) seem to combine the virtues of both the higher-IQ and altsphere worlds in their own specific autistic way. If we have any luck they will be the future leaders of Western civilization.

 
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  1. Kriegspiel is how Prussia defeated France, and 20th century leaders frequently played Diplomacy. This is a real phenomenon, that of gamers in power. I have a feeling that the winning civilization of this century will be led by experts in grand strategy games with an eye for demographics, but they will keep quiet about this. The Paradox rank and file fans are as vulgar as checkers players and unsuitable for real world realpolicking.

    Average Westerners might as well be drinking game players. I’m seriously suspicious about how much one’s healthy reaction times and timing are determined by a clean lifestyle and that one’s parents were sober and healthy while pregnant and nursing. Thinking about this explains the un-PC mannerisms of twitchy gamers, especially adjusted for age; they come from better communities growing up. The underclass is sluggish and predictable, as individuals.

    Steve Sailer pointed out that NBA players are more lower middle class than ghetto, so this works in athleticism too.

  2. Memes are incredibly powerful. And new words, neologisms (like ‘cuckservative’) can be about imposing terminology. It forces people to stop and say “what does that mean”, in a way that no long argument ever could.

  3. Sometimes Kebab removes you!!!

  4. I’ve found that true of RTS players too.
    It’s a stretch, but I could swear all the various historical factions available and their bonuses dimly awakened many millennials about race realism. Gaming in general is actually one of the last totally unregulated places left where young men can casually say whatever they want.
    Wouldn’t be suprised if that’s the key reason why SJW’s have come down so hard on it in recent years.

  5. a big german image board has been right leaning. It was a very sarcastic internet community with sympathies for altright ideas, race realism etc. In the wake of the public antiracist hysteria of the last months the image board has lost these qualities and it was purged of subversive elements.

    • Replies: @Sean
    Eric, I think there are a lot of different things going on with women and immigration. Maternal instincts need an outlet, many girls seem to get really upset about cruelty to animals in the same way they get exercised with migration issues. I know a few who have pet bunny rabbits, these are girls in their twenties who live in their own apartment.

    In Germany the ethos is very female orientated: anti nuclear, and environmentalist. The Germans have taken it so far that the engineering can't keep up with the anti pollution regulations (hence Volkswagen has had to fake it). What I wonder about the Cuck thing is it's the ultimate insult for a man, but how can it affect a female oriented politics?

  6. I think you will find the the largest male online community of all is very racially aware, and many seek out related cuck-type online material. Some people like that, not a huge proportion but enough that many companies deal in it exclusively.

    If it is true that ‘memes’ can bypass conscious thought to influence deep psychology, and bearing in mind that associating sex with things can produce conditioned sexual arousal to the things, going on about this stuff might prove to be counter productive.

    • Replies: @Kamran
    If so many autistic white boys are shitlords, why is the west getting cucked all the time?
    , @Erik Sieven
    it is better to make explicit I think, it helps clearing things up. This whole cuckold thing is huge anyway. If HBD is true than talking about it or not talking about it do not change the basic attraction which is obviously has for some.
    It is like that: women like that 22 year old ripped Africans jump over fences to get in to Europe for obvious reasons but instead of admitting it as it is they speak about being compassionate. This leads to debates about immigration which go into the entirely wrong direction as those debates are based on this deception are framed as compassionate vs not compassionate, which seems to be bad vs good, no dilemma at all.
    better have an open and honest debate: having attractive males plus having a worse working civilization vs having less attractive males but a better working civilization, which is for women a dilemma (and for men an easy decision).
  7. @Sean
    I think you will find the the largest male online community of all is very racially aware, and many seek out related cuck-type online material. Some people like that, not a huge proportion but enough that many companies deal in it exclusively.

    If it is true that 'memes' can bypass conscious thought to influence deep psychology, and bearing in mind that associating sex with things can produce conditioned sexual arousal to the things, going on about this stuff might prove to be counter productive.

    If so many autistic white boys are shitlords, why is the west getting cucked all the time?

    • Replies: @Taras Gitlerov
    Because the people who make games are by and large thirsty beta males desperate for female attention.

    I don't know if he played GSG's, but Igor Strelkov is into historical reenactment in a big way which isn't hugely different.
  8. Eh…I don’t know…people who waste their time with playing FPS games as “future leaders of Western civilization”? More likely they’ll be losers who’ll never be of any importance whatsoever…
    I mean I’ve wasted a lot of time with PC gaming myself (though not FPS)…but I’m hardly a success and I would never claim that it made me a better person…frankly, life is short and unless you’re looking for something to make you forget the depressing reality (as I do, at least occasionally), gaming is a waste of time.

    • Replies: @Erik Sieven
    I myself have played very little video games throughout my childhood and youth and never as a grown up. But of course, like everybody, sometimes I did. I found that there is literally nothing in the world which is such a waste of time like playing video games. It is the extreme of pure consume without producing anything.
  9. @Kamran
    If so many autistic white boys are shitlords, why is the west getting cucked all the time?

    Because the people who make games are by and large thirsty beta males desperate for female attention.

    I don’t know if he played GSG’s, but Igor Strelkov is into historical reenactment in a big way which isn’t hugely different.

  10. @Sean
    I think you will find the the largest male online community of all is very racially aware, and many seek out related cuck-type online material. Some people like that, not a huge proportion but enough that many companies deal in it exclusively.

    If it is true that 'memes' can bypass conscious thought to influence deep psychology, and bearing in mind that associating sex with things can produce conditioned sexual arousal to the things, going on about this stuff might prove to be counter productive.

    it is better to make explicit I think, it helps clearing things up. This whole cuckold thing is huge anyway. If HBD is true than talking about it or not talking about it do not change the basic attraction which is obviously has for some.
    It is like that: women like that 22 year old ripped Africans jump over fences to get in to Europe for obvious reasons but instead of admitting it as it is they speak about being compassionate. This leads to debates about immigration which go into the entirely wrong direction as those debates are based on this deception are framed as compassionate vs not compassionate, which seems to be bad vs good, no dilemma at all.
    better have an open and honest debate: having attractive males plus having a worse working civilization vs having less attractive males but a better working civilization, which is for women a dilemma (and for men an easy decision).

  11. @German_reader
    Eh...I don't know...people who waste their time with playing FPS games as "future leaders of Western civilization"? More likely they'll be losers who'll never be of any importance whatsoever...
    I mean I've wasted a lot of time with PC gaming myself (though not FPS)...but I'm hardly a success and I would never claim that it made me a better person...frankly, life is short and unless you're looking for something to make you forget the depressing reality (as I do, at least occasionally), gaming is a waste of time.

    I myself have played very little video games throughout my childhood and youth and never as a grown up. But of course, like everybody, sometimes I did. I found that there is literally nothing in the world which is such a waste of time like playing video games. It is the extreme of pure consume without producing anything.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    "I found that there is literally nothing in the world which is such a waste of time like playing video games. It is the extreme of pure consume without producing anything."

    I think that's not quite accurate, television is a better example of mindless consumption where you're mostly passive. Video games actually give you the illusion of achievement, and in those online games like World of Warcraft etc. even the illusion of being part of a community, of interacting with other people in the pursuit of common goals. Can obviously be very addictive and gives many young males something they apparently lack in their real lives. It's perfect as ecapism...but that also means, in my opinion, that you shouldn't exspect "gamers" to meaningfully contribute to anything in the real world.
  12. sorry for hijacking the thread, but one last comment:
    When the mainstream media discovers the meme they will feel that their world view is confirmed. They will say that the political right is “sexual insecure”, and they love nothing as telling somebody sexual insecure.
    Steve Sailer has this theory that in different populations have developed different mating strategies and gender relationships. When telling somebody sexual insecure people act as if the subsaharan African model (males have to be in competition for females by being the good-dancing, good-singing, aggressive bad boy instead of being the stable home-builder and worker) was the only model, and everybody would have to be valued by this benchmark. And they hate it when somebody does not participate in this competition

    • Replies: @Seamus Padraig

    When the mainstream media discovers the meme they will feel that their world view is confirmed. They will say that the political right is “sexual insecure”, and they love nothing as telling somebody sexual insecure.
     
    Yup. Hide Priss Factory's comments from them quick!
  13. @Erik Sieven
    a big german image board has been right leaning. It was a very sarcastic internet community with sympathies for altright ideas, race realism etc. In the wake of the public antiracist hysteria of the last months the image board has lost these qualities and it was purged of subversive elements.

    Eric, I think there are a lot of different things going on with women and immigration. Maternal instincts need an outlet, many girls seem to get really upset about cruelty to animals in the same way they get exercised with migration issues. I know a few who have pet bunny rabbits, these are girls in their twenties who live in their own apartment.

    In Germany the ethos is very female orientated: anti nuclear, and environmentalist. The Germans have taken it so far that the engineering can’t keep up with the anti pollution regulations (hence Volkswagen has had to fake it). What I wonder about the Cuck thing is it’s the ultimate insult for a man, but how can it affect a female oriented politics?

    • Replies: @Deduction
    Women's pro-immigration stance has nothing to do with the he perceived attractiveness of the immigrants.

    Daenarys in Game of Thrones doesn't sleep with the slaves she saves. She just like being adored by them while she sleeps with a couple of true English and European alphas.

    You guys who think that the immigrants are attractive to Euro women have massive issues of your own, and you're broadcasting those issues over the Internet...

    Don't worry, those immigrants certainly have the same issues, only stronger, the other way around.

    It's white, even aryan looking, Hollywood male stars who are on the bedroom walls of black, brown and yellow girls worldwide. Have you guys ever been anywhere at all?

    ...and local guys don't just know it but they agree with it, all the third world agrees with me! You guys are weirdly clueless...if you're white and have any confidence at all, you're incredibly valuable to women everywhere...unless you're a teenager...and even then...

    You guys need to get out more. I'm no model, can't really dance and have little money but I've not struggled (if on any given night i want to sleep with an attractive girl I can 80 percent of the time) anywhere in the world...at least since I developed the right mindset.

    Anyway, back to the point chicks who dig immigration don't dig immigrants, don't listen to Whiskey, he is a perv. They just dig status and virtue signalling and feeling a super white special snowflake philanthropist.

    The types of chicks who dig immigrants don't tend to have an opinion on immigration, or if they do, it is a often quite negative.

    Missionaries didn't go to Africa to sleep with the locals. They went to feel like heros. Their successors bring migrant's to Europe for the same reason.
  14. @Erik Sieven
    sorry for hijacking the thread, but one last comment:
    When the mainstream media discovers the meme they will feel that their world view is confirmed. They will say that the political right is "sexual insecure", and they love nothing as telling somebody sexual insecure.
    Steve Sailer has this theory that in different populations have developed different mating strategies and gender relationships. When telling somebody sexual insecure people act as if the subsaharan African model (males have to be in competition for females by being the good-dancing, good-singing, aggressive bad boy instead of being the stable home-builder and worker) was the only model, and everybody would have to be valued by this benchmark. And they hate it when somebody does not participate in this competition

    When the mainstream media discovers the meme they will feel that their world view is confirmed. They will say that the political right is “sexual insecure”, and they love nothing as telling somebody sexual insecure.

    Yup. Hide Priss Factory’s comments from them quick!

  15. @Erik Sieven
    I myself have played very little video games throughout my childhood and youth and never as a grown up. But of course, like everybody, sometimes I did. I found that there is literally nothing in the world which is such a waste of time like playing video games. It is the extreme of pure consume without producing anything.

    “I found that there is literally nothing in the world which is such a waste of time like playing video games. It is the extreme of pure consume without producing anything.”

    I think that’s not quite accurate, television is a better example of mindless consumption where you’re mostly passive. Video games actually give you the illusion of achievement, and in those online games like World of Warcraft etc. even the illusion of being part of a community, of interacting with other people in the pursuit of common goals. Can obviously be very addictive and gives many young males something they apparently lack in their real lives. It’s perfect as ecapism…but that also means, in my opinion, that you shouldn’t exspect “gamers” to meaningfully contribute to anything in the real world.

  16. http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2015/09/life-is-iq-test-and-so-are-video-games.html

    As this scientific report, life is IQ test and so are video games. It makes sense. People who are not good at it will naturally give sour-grape type comment. Label gamers as `losers’ or `beta’ ect without any objective evidence.

    Personal anectdote: My girlfriend’s dad is very good and active video gamer. We often played together. In real life, he is a CEO of midsize company. Label him as beta as you wish if that make you feel good and in denial of reality.

    Playing game never stop our advance in career. Actually, playing video games are part of excercise required for many surgeons

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309970

    Opinion or rationalization without objective evidence is needed for faith, superstition, conspiracy/rumor, pseudoscience, religion/cult, witches/witch-hunt, false belief. Rationalization without objective evidence is very effective on low IQ types. That is how faith is generated.

    So video game is an IQ test. If you are not good at it, well……….

    • Replies: @German_reader
    lol, don't be silly. "CEOs and surgeons play video games" - I think that's just another sign of the infantilization of Western culture. Similar to "Harry Truman read Plutarch - Obama watches Game of Thrones".
    I mean I actually like video games (some at least...stuff like World of Warcraft and FPS games always seemed pretty dumb to me) but still, it's mostly pretty childish stuff, and if overdone can become a colossal waste of time, even an addiction. It's escapist fun, and I can't blame anyone for enjoying it given the depressing state of Western societies today...but rationalizing it as some sort of mental exercise...doesn't convince me at all.
    , @5371
    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing. Which of the following is alpha and which two are beta?
    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    On average, I'm certain gamers are more beta than the average member of the population. I also suspect gamers are slightly smarter, though the IQ gap is much smaller than it was even a decade ago (I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s).

    (Though do note that I don't see beta as necessarily being a bad thing, at least so far as society is concerned.)

    Does it lower productivity? It would be stupid to claim it does not.

    If the people who play video games were to stop would their productivity increase? That I don't know about. There are numerous other ways to kill time in non-productive, non-social ways, which could serve as ready substitutes: TV, aimless Internet browsing, commenting on the Unz Review (kek)... In any case, except in a very few prodigious cases, I don't think most people are capable of truly productive work for anything but a relatively small fraction of each day.

    Speaking for myself, it's been about a decade since I last possessed a TV. The only series I have followed during the period is Game of Thrones, and that only because I want to be able to compare the TV version to the books. I watch maybe half a dozen movies a year, almost always in social outings to the cinema. On the other hand, I am interested in video games and is something I do a few hours a week to unwind and entertain myself.

    Am I a loser for playing video games instead of watching TV and movies? I don't know. If I am, though, I don't really see how I am more of a loser than people who spend the same amount of time or much more in front of TV screens (i.e., the vast majority of the population). Except insofar as the latter have much more in the way of social validation.
    , @jimbojones
    Ibrahimovic the macho Swedish world-class striker and currently the paragon of masculinity in France mentioned in his biography that he loves playing video games and often played well into the night during his early 20's.

    The great and magnificent German 21st century adventurer, Kim Dotcom, at one point topped the Call of Duty rankings.

    Spacey's character on House of Cards plays games. (Though that may be just product placement.)

    There are many nerds & geeks in gaming; but also many ultra-competitive types and adrenaline-junkies. Some forms of gaming amount to sport.
  17. @AG
    http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2015/09/life-is-iq-test-and-so-are-video-games.html

    As this scientific report, life is IQ test and so are video games. It makes sense. People who are not good at it will naturally give sour-grape type comment. Label gamers as `losers' or `beta' ect without any objective evidence.

    Personal anectdote: My girlfriend's dad is very good and active video gamer. We often played together. In real life, he is a CEO of midsize company. Label him as beta as you wish if that make you feel good and in denial of reality.

    Playing game never stop our advance in career. Actually, playing video games are part of excercise required for many surgeons


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309970

    Opinion or rationalization without objective evidence is needed for faith, superstition, conspiracy/rumor, pseudoscience, religion/cult, witches/witch-hunt, false belief. Rationalization without objective evidence is very effective on low IQ types. That is how faith is generated.

    So video game is an IQ test. If you are not good at it, well..........

    lol, don’t be silly. “CEOs and surgeons play video games” – I think that’s just another sign of the infantilization of Western culture. Similar to “Harry Truman read Plutarch – Obama watches Game of Thrones”.
    I mean I actually like video games (some at least…stuff like World of Warcraft and FPS games always seemed pretty dumb to me) but still, it’s mostly pretty childish stuff, and if overdone can become a colossal waste of time, even an addiction. It’s escapist fun, and I can’t blame anyone for enjoying it given the depressing state of Western societies today…but rationalizing it as some sort of mental exercise…doesn’t convince me at all.

    • Replies: @AndrewR
    Video games often require a great deal of strategy, forethought and cooperation. No one claims that gaming is the most productive activity around, but I'd say it beats watching TV, films or most books.
  18. @AG
    http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2015/09/life-is-iq-test-and-so-are-video-games.html

    As this scientific report, life is IQ test and so are video games. It makes sense. People who are not good at it will naturally give sour-grape type comment. Label gamers as `losers' or `beta' ect without any objective evidence.

    Personal anectdote: My girlfriend's dad is very good and active video gamer. We often played together. In real life, he is a CEO of midsize company. Label him as beta as you wish if that make you feel good and in denial of reality.

    Playing game never stop our advance in career. Actually, playing video games are part of excercise required for many surgeons


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309970

    Opinion or rationalization without objective evidence is needed for faith, superstition, conspiracy/rumor, pseudoscience, religion/cult, witches/witch-hunt, false belief. Rationalization without objective evidence is very effective on low IQ types. That is how faith is generated.

    So video game is an IQ test. If you are not good at it, well..........

    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing. Which of the following is alpha and which two are beta?
    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter

    • Replies: @Kamran
    "3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter"

    If you see my uncle again, please knock him unconscious and return him to me.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
     
    Can be either.

    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
     
    Beta by definition.

    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter
     
    Roosh is a beta. That's not an insult, it's the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what "game" is all about.

    It is also why women dislike "players"/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA "gurus" like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It's all understandable from an evolutionary perspective.
    , @AG

    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing.
     
    My girlfriend's CEO dad and I talked about this subject before. He believed this alpha-beta thing created by bunch of losers who can not be measured up to any objective standard like education, income/wealth, ect. Without any objective measurement, these losers can label any one as they want to relieve their sour-grape mindset. I agree.

    This CEO guy pay very little attention to society criteria about status. I am CEO myself for a much smaller company. We basically do not give a scheiße about these apha-beta crap. His only thing out of ordinary is a fancy sports car which he will not allow any one else to touch. Othewise he dresses casually, play and travel just like any ordinary people. We pretty much have the same conclusion about other people's opinion worth very little since experience have taught us so. Well that is pretty much self-actualizers characteristics. Reliant on own experiences and judgement. Independent, not reliant on culture and environment to form opinions and views. Meanwhile we are not going out our way to change stupid people opinions (basically let them to be). Just tell your point. If they don't get it, it is pure waste time to continue. Self-actualizers accept their own human nature with all its flaws. The shortcomings of others and the contradictions of the human condition are accepted with humor and tolerance. If you are secured, you really don't care what others say.

    As Paul Fussell pointed out, people at insecure position are more nervous about their social rank. If some one is obsessed about alpha-beta crap, very likely a loser.
  19. @5371
    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing. Which of the following is alpha and which two are beta?
    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter

    “3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter”

    If you see my uncle again, please knock him unconscious and return him to me.

  20. I think what War nerd wrote about the “cuck” spouting weirdos is relevant:

    “Now all that remains of the brief glory of September 12, 1683 are cheesy attempts by reactionary Europeans to connect their midget-fascism to what happened outside Vienna that day. Breivik is typical of the breed — childless weirdos lamenting the decline of the European birthrate, would-be crusaders whining that they’re not given the latest Playstation games in their cushy prison cells. It’s a long way since 1683, and downhill all the way.”

    There you go. The “cuck” people’s idol, Breivik. Some vidya-playing loser. Give me an old Russian or Serbian shashlik frying, vodka drinking kebab-remover anyday over these MMORPG image-board tough guys.

    These guys would get cucked in real situation faster than Kim Kardashian sucks black guys off on a Friday night.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    "Breivik is typical of the breed "

    Breivik isn't "typical" of anything...how many cases of right-wing loners that go on a successful rampage and murder dozens of leftists have there actually been? He's an exceptional case.
  21. @Kamran
    I think what War nerd wrote about the "cuck" spouting weirdos is relevant:

    "Now all that remains of the brief glory of September 12, 1683 are cheesy attempts by reactionary Europeans to connect their midget-fascism to what happened outside Vienna that day. Breivik is typical of the breed — childless weirdos lamenting the decline of the European birthrate, would-be crusaders whining that they’re not given the latest Playstation games in their cushy prison cells. It’s a long way since 1683, and downhill all the way."

    There you go. The "cuck" people's idol, Breivik. Some vidya-playing loser. Give me an old Russian or Serbian shashlik frying, vodka drinking kebab-remover anyday over these MMORPG image-board tough guys.

    These guys would get cucked in real situation faster than Kim Kardashian sucks black guys off on a Friday night.

    “Breivik is typical of the breed ”

    Breivik isn’t “typical” of anything…how many cases of right-wing loners that go on a successful rampage and murder dozens of leftists have there actually been? He’s an exceptional case.

  22. @AG
    http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2015/09/life-is-iq-test-and-so-are-video-games.html

    As this scientific report, life is IQ test and so are video games. It makes sense. People who are not good at it will naturally give sour-grape type comment. Label gamers as `losers' or `beta' ect without any objective evidence.

    Personal anectdote: My girlfriend's dad is very good and active video gamer. We often played together. In real life, he is a CEO of midsize company. Label him as beta as you wish if that make you feel good and in denial of reality.

    Playing game never stop our advance in career. Actually, playing video games are part of excercise required for many surgeons


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309970

    Opinion or rationalization without objective evidence is needed for faith, superstition, conspiracy/rumor, pseudoscience, religion/cult, witches/witch-hunt, false belief. Rationalization without objective evidence is very effective on low IQ types. That is how faith is generated.

    So video game is an IQ test. If you are not good at it, well..........

    On average, I’m certain gamers are more beta than the average member of the population. I also suspect gamers are slightly smarter, though the IQ gap is much smaller than it was even a decade ago (I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s).

    (Though do note that I don’t see beta as necessarily being a bad thing, at least so far as society is concerned.)

    Does it lower productivity? It would be stupid to claim it does not.

    If the people who play video games were to stop would their productivity increase? That I don’t know about. There are numerous other ways to kill time in non-productive, non-social ways, which could serve as ready substitutes: TV, aimless Internet browsing, commenting on the Unz Review (kek)… In any case, except in a very few prodigious cases, I don’t think most people are capable of truly productive work for anything but a relatively small fraction of each day.

    Speaking for myself, it’s been about a decade since I last possessed a TV. The only series I have followed during the period is Game of Thrones, and that only because I want to be able to compare the TV version to the books. I watch maybe half a dozen movies a year, almost always in social outings to the cinema. On the other hand, I am interested in video games and is something I do a few hours a week to unwind and entertain myself.

    Am I a loser for playing video games instead of watching TV and movies? I don’t know. If I am, though, I don’t really see how I am more of a loser than people who spend the same amount of time or much more in front of TV screens (i.e., the vast majority of the population). Except insofar as the latter have much more in the way of social validation.

    • Replies: @German_reader
    "I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s"

    Can't really tell from direct experience since I mostly avoid more recent games and just play the stuff from 15 or 20 years ago, but that's my impression as well...most mainstream games today seem to be aimed at casual gamers or really moronic teenagers. On the whole video games seem to have regressed as a medium (one niche genre that may have improved though: adventures; some of the more recent ones like Resonance or Technobabylon are much better in my opinion than the classics from the 1990s, and even feature relatively mature themes).
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
    People have been staring into the glowing screens of televisions for hours per day starting from 1950. But now people are staring into the glowing rectangle of a video game and everyone complains.

    And video game time on average is a fraction of television time. The average Black watches 7 hours of TV a day and no one complains. But on average, people play video games for a fraction of an hour per day and it's an epidemic time wasting by whitemale nerds. And by the way, Black children spend 56% more time per day on video games than Whites, and Hispanic 89% more.

    While playing a game, you can't watch television. This has some side-affects:

    1. You don't see all the commercials. This makes corporations very sad.

    2. You don't see the leftist political indoctrination that is inserted into every show. That makes leftists sad. Also, this might explain gamers lack of pc.

    ===================================
    Television time:

    Television Watching Statistics
    Average time spent watching television (U.S.)
    White 5:02
    Black 7:12
    Hispanic 4:35
    Asian 3:14

    =================================
    Video Game time:

    www.nielsen.com
    Average Time Spent Per Person Per Day
    2012
    All TV 5:15
    Video Games 0:13

    How do we do it? Americans doing more work, sleeping longer AND watching more TV
    2014
    Minutes per day -- weekday -- weekend
    Watching TV ---------- 156 -- 201
    Games/Computer... --- 25 --- 31
    GENERATION M2
    Page 5
    age 8-18 years old
    Average amount of time spent with each medium in a typical day:
    Video Games:
    White ------ 0:56
    Black ------ 1:25
    Hispanic -- 1:49

    TV content:
    White ------ 3:36
    Black ------ 5:54
    Hispanic -- 5:21
  23. @5371
    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing. Which of the following is alpha and which two are beta?
    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter

    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners

    Can be either.

    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked

    Beta by definition.

    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter

    Roosh is a beta. That’s not an insult, it’s the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what “game” is all about.

    It is also why women dislike “players”/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA “gurus” like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It’s all understandable from an evolutionary perspective.

    • Replies: @Kamran
    "Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women."

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting? How is pretending to be an "alpha" cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn't have if she wasn't tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There's only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you "pretend" to be a famous man? Like that guy who did the prank where somebody "recognizes" him in a mall, and then a flurry of female passers by suddenly become interested in him?

    , @Deduction

    Roosh is a beta. That’s not an insult, it’s the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what “game” is all about.

    It is also why women dislike “players”/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA “gurus” like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It’s all understandable from an evolutionary perspective
     

    I'm going to get kicked for this but I'm certainly an alpha and I recognise those like me immediately and they recognise me and you're right, Strauss and Roosh are weird betas who've learnt some useful tricks.

    Not sure about Heartiste. I think he is genuinely funny though. Also no need to be a play it gets boring

  24. @Anatoly Karlin

    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
     
    Can be either.

    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
     
    Beta by definition.

    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter
     
    Roosh is a beta. That's not an insult, it's the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what "game" is all about.

    It is also why women dislike "players"/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA "gurus" like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It's all understandable from an evolutionary perspective.

    “Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.”

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting? How is pretending to be an “alpha” cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn’t have if she wasn’t tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There’s only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you “pretend” to be a famous man? Like that guy who did the prank where somebody “recognizes” him in a mall, and then a flurry of female passers by suddenly become interested in him?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
     
    Good question. Not that I know of. I think it is useful to think of alpha/beta as a kind of spread of character traits which tends to express itself in different mannerisms (alpha - cool aloofness; beta - submissive gestures, hesistancy, etc).

    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting?
     
    I don't really think so. But what is true is that different societies have different preferences on the alpha-beta scale. For instant, being confident-cocky works well in the US but apparently works badly in Jante Law Scandinavia. Some societies, especially the more K-selected ones, favor betaness. Moreover I consider that a good thing, generally speaking.

    How is pretending to be an “alpha” cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn’t have if she wasn’t tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?
     
    Women are wired to favor "alpha fucks, beta bucks" (to different extents, and not all of them act upon it, but it's a real instinct). The popular image of a "player" or "PUA" is of a neckbearded dweeb who (successfully or not) passes off as a "natural." It is at a very deep unconscious level, but many women find the thought of accidentally sleeping with one such to be deeply repulsive, perhaps even reminiscent of rape in some sense.

    Note that the strongest invective against players/PUAs comes from feminists and SJWs. You would think that it is sexually conservative religious traditionalists who would be the ones having problems with "game" and calling for the likes of Roosh to be banned from entering their countries, but no, that is not the case at all. Why? My theory explains it. It is precisely on account of their loose sexual habits (once known as "sluttiness") that SJW/feminist women are more likely to get "cucked" by players in the first place. For more traditionally-minded women, this is simply not an issue since they don't have one-night stands with different men every week in the first place.

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There’s only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you “pretend” to be a famous man?
     
    Very general questions. How to pretend to be a famous man? Just be one (in your own mind) is the standard advice given. Doing so will naturally express itself in your gestures and facial expressions. Of course this is easier said than done.

    There is a vast body of research on how to increase your level of influence over people, how to clinch deals (Trump wrote a whole book on that - he's also married to a hot model 24 years his junior), etc., etc., that are studied in environments as "respectable" as business schools. This likely wouldn't be happening if it was all snake oil. Of course people have differing "natural" levels of influence, but you can still train people to be salesmen, copywriters, viral marketeers, lobbyists, etc. Seduction is merely a subset of influence, so it would be pretty strange if was not learnable just like influence is.

    Roosh's "Bang" remains #29 in Amazon's "Sexuality" section, 5 years after its publication. This is an impressive achievement. Ignoring the 41% of 1's given by butthurt SJWs, its average rating is somewhere around 4.5. This degree of acclaim suggests that Roosh knows what he's talking about and that the people who read it are benefitting from it.
    , @Deduction

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works?
     
    Be articulate, unapologetic, confident and give off a high status 'smell'...also have genuine empathy but little sympathy and you're sorted with chicks.

    Or simply: just be white, in decent (not fat) shape, wear clean clothes and don't act like a tw*t and you'll be fine.

    It's not difficult! I love you guys on the these sites but I despair at how clever people can be so clueless and overcomplicating something so simple.

    I suppose Heartiste gets it with a few simple mantras like don't apologise. Or don't take things personally but still compete. I don't know...it's easy.

  25. @Anatoly Karlin
    On average, I'm certain gamers are more beta than the average member of the population. I also suspect gamers are slightly smarter, though the IQ gap is much smaller than it was even a decade ago (I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s).

    (Though do note that I don't see beta as necessarily being a bad thing, at least so far as society is concerned.)

    Does it lower productivity? It would be stupid to claim it does not.

    If the people who play video games were to stop would their productivity increase? That I don't know about. There are numerous other ways to kill time in non-productive, non-social ways, which could serve as ready substitutes: TV, aimless Internet browsing, commenting on the Unz Review (kek)... In any case, except in a very few prodigious cases, I don't think most people are capable of truly productive work for anything but a relatively small fraction of each day.

    Speaking for myself, it's been about a decade since I last possessed a TV. The only series I have followed during the period is Game of Thrones, and that only because I want to be able to compare the TV version to the books. I watch maybe half a dozen movies a year, almost always in social outings to the cinema. On the other hand, I am interested in video games and is something I do a few hours a week to unwind and entertain myself.

    Am I a loser for playing video games instead of watching TV and movies? I don't know. If I am, though, I don't really see how I am more of a loser than people who spend the same amount of time or much more in front of TV screens (i.e., the vast majority of the population). Except insofar as the latter have much more in the way of social validation.

    “I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s”

    Can’t really tell from direct experience since I mostly avoid more recent games and just play the stuff from 15 or 20 years ago, but that’s my impression as well…most mainstream games today seem to be aimed at casual gamers or really moronic teenagers. On the whole video games seem to have regressed as a medium (one niche genre that may have improved though: adventures; some of the more recent ones like Resonance or Technobabylon are much better in my opinion than the classics from the 1990s, and even feature relatively mature themes).

    • Replies: @AndrewR

    I mostly avoid more recent games and just play the stuff from 15 or 20 years ago
     
    Oh god, you're one of those people
  26. @AG
    http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/2015/09/life-is-iq-test-and-so-are-video-games.html

    As this scientific report, life is IQ test and so are video games. It makes sense. People who are not good at it will naturally give sour-grape type comment. Label gamers as `losers' or `beta' ect without any objective evidence.

    Personal anectdote: My girlfriend's dad is very good and active video gamer. We often played together. In real life, he is a CEO of midsize company. Label him as beta as you wish if that make you feel good and in denial of reality.

    Playing game never stop our advance in career. Actually, playing video games are part of excercise required for many surgeons


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17309970

    Opinion or rationalization without objective evidence is needed for faith, superstition, conspiracy/rumor, pseudoscience, religion/cult, witches/witch-hunt, false belief. Rationalization without objective evidence is very effective on low IQ types. That is how faith is generated.

    So video game is an IQ test. If you are not good at it, well..........

    Ibrahimovic the macho Swedish world-class striker and currently the paragon of masculinity in France mentioned in his biography that he loves playing video games and often played well into the night during his early 20’s.

    The great and magnificent German 21st century adventurer, Kim Dotcom, at one point topped the Call of Duty rankings.

    Spacey’s character on House of Cards plays games. (Though that may be just product placement.)

    There are many nerds & geeks in gaming; but also many ultra-competitive types and adrenaline-junkies. Some forms of gaming amount to sport.

  27. @Anatoly Karlin
    On average, I'm certain gamers are more beta than the average member of the population. I also suspect gamers are slightly smarter, though the IQ gap is much smaller than it was even a decade ago (I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s).

    (Though do note that I don't see beta as necessarily being a bad thing, at least so far as society is concerned.)

    Does it lower productivity? It would be stupid to claim it does not.

    If the people who play video games were to stop would their productivity increase? That I don't know about. There are numerous other ways to kill time in non-productive, non-social ways, which could serve as ready substitutes: TV, aimless Internet browsing, commenting on the Unz Review (kek)... In any case, except in a very few prodigious cases, I don't think most people are capable of truly productive work for anything but a relatively small fraction of each day.

    Speaking for myself, it's been about a decade since I last possessed a TV. The only series I have followed during the period is Game of Thrones, and that only because I want to be able to compare the TV version to the books. I watch maybe half a dozen movies a year, almost always in social outings to the cinema. On the other hand, I am interested in video games and is something I do a few hours a week to unwind and entertain myself.

    Am I a loser for playing video games instead of watching TV and movies? I don't know. If I am, though, I don't really see how I am more of a loser than people who spend the same amount of time or much more in front of TV screens (i.e., the vast majority of the population). Except insofar as the latter have much more in the way of social validation.

    People have been staring into the glowing screens of televisions for hours per day starting from 1950. But now people are staring into the glowing rectangle of a video game and everyone complains.

    And video game time on average is a fraction of television time. The average Black watches 7 hours of TV a day and no one complains. But on average, people play video games for a fraction of an hour per day and it’s an epidemic time wasting by whitemale nerds. And by the way, Black children spend 56% more time per day on video games than Whites, and Hispanic 89% more.

    While playing a game, you can’t watch television. This has some side-affects:

    1. You don’t see all the commercials. This makes corporations very sad.

    2. You don’t see the leftist political indoctrination that is inserted into every show. That makes leftists sad. Also, this might explain gamers lack of pc.

    ===================================
    Television time:

    Television Watching Statistics
    Average time spent watching television (U.S.)
    White 5:02
    Black 7:12
    Hispanic 4:35
    Asian 3:14

    =================================
    Video Game time:

    http://www.nielsen.com
    Average Time Spent Per Person Per Day
    2012
    All TV 5:15
    Video Games 0:13

    How do we do it? Americans doing more work, sleeping longer AND watching more TV
    2014
    Minutes per day — weekday — weekend
    Watching TV ———- 156 — 201
    Games/Computer… — 25 — 31
    GENERATION M2
    Page 5
    age 8-18 years old
    Average amount of time spent with each medium in a typical day:
    Video Games:
    White —— 0:56
    Black —— 1:25
    Hispanic — 1:49

    TV content:
    White —— 3:36
    Black —— 5:54
    Hispanic — 5:21

  28. @5371
    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing. Which of the following is alpha and which two are beta?
    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter

    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing.

    My girlfriend’s CEO dad and I talked about this subject before. He believed this alpha-beta thing created by bunch of losers who can not be measured up to any objective standard like education, income/wealth, ect. Without any objective measurement, these losers can label any one as they want to relieve their sour-grape mindset. I agree.

    This CEO guy pay very little attention to society criteria about status. I am CEO myself for a much smaller company. We basically do not give a scheiße about these apha-beta crap. His only thing out of ordinary is a fancy sports car which he will not allow any one else to touch. Othewise he dresses casually, play and travel just like any ordinary people. We pretty much have the same conclusion about other people’s opinion worth very little since experience have taught us so. Well that is pretty much self-actualizers characteristics. Reliant on own experiences and judgement. Independent, not reliant on culture and environment to form opinions and views. Meanwhile we are not going out our way to change stupid people opinions (basically let them to be). Just tell your point. If they don’t get it, it is pure waste time to continue. Self-actualizers accept their own human nature with all its flaws. The shortcomings of others and the contradictions of the human condition are accepted with humor and tolerance. If you are secured, you really don’t care what others say.

    As Paul Fussell pointed out, people at insecure position are more nervous about their social rank. If some one is obsessed about alpha-beta crap, very likely a loser.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    We basically do not give a scheiße about these apha-beta crap. His only thing out of ordinary is a fancy sports car which he will not allow any one else to touch... If you are secured, you really don’t care what others say.
     
    Sounds alpha.

    As Paul Fussell pointed out, people at insecure position are more nervous about their social rank. If some one is obsessed about alpha-beta crap, very likely a loser.
     
    Sociologists are pretty obsessed about social rank by definition.
  29. @German_reader
    lol, don't be silly. "CEOs and surgeons play video games" - I think that's just another sign of the infantilization of Western culture. Similar to "Harry Truman read Plutarch - Obama watches Game of Thrones".
    I mean I actually like video games (some at least...stuff like World of Warcraft and FPS games always seemed pretty dumb to me) but still, it's mostly pretty childish stuff, and if overdone can become a colossal waste of time, even an addiction. It's escapist fun, and I can't blame anyone for enjoying it given the depressing state of Western societies today...but rationalizing it as some sort of mental exercise...doesn't convince me at all.

    Video games often require a great deal of strategy, forethought and cooperation. No one claims that gaming is the most productive activity around, but I’d say it beats watching TV, films or most books.

  30. @German_reader
    "I deduce this from the fact that games have been generally getting dumber since the 1990s"

    Can't really tell from direct experience since I mostly avoid more recent games and just play the stuff from 15 or 20 years ago, but that's my impression as well...most mainstream games today seem to be aimed at casual gamers or really moronic teenagers. On the whole video games seem to have regressed as a medium (one niche genre that may have improved though: adventures; some of the more recent ones like Resonance or Technobabylon are much better in my opinion than the classics from the 1990s, and even feature relatively mature themes).

    I mostly avoid more recent games and just play the stuff from 15 or 20 years ago

    Oh god, you’re one of those people

    • Replies: @German_reader
    "Oh god, you’re one of those people"

    I think a lot of people would tell you that the mid/late 1990s and early 2000s were the "golden age" of gaming. May be partly just nostalgia, but it really does seem to me that on the whole video games have stagnated or even regressed as a medium...and whole genres that once were prominent have largely disappeared or have been dumbed down.
    I'd agree though that television is even dumber than most video games.
  31. @AG

    I have never understood this alpha-beta thing.
     
    My girlfriend's CEO dad and I talked about this subject before. He believed this alpha-beta thing created by bunch of losers who can not be measured up to any objective standard like education, income/wealth, ect. Without any objective measurement, these losers can label any one as they want to relieve their sour-grape mindset. I agree.

    This CEO guy pay very little attention to society criteria about status. I am CEO myself for a much smaller company. We basically do not give a scheiße about these apha-beta crap. His only thing out of ordinary is a fancy sports car which he will not allow any one else to touch. Othewise he dresses casually, play and travel just like any ordinary people. We pretty much have the same conclusion about other people's opinion worth very little since experience have taught us so. Well that is pretty much self-actualizers characteristics. Reliant on own experiences and judgement. Independent, not reliant on culture and environment to form opinions and views. Meanwhile we are not going out our way to change stupid people opinions (basically let them to be). Just tell your point. If they don't get it, it is pure waste time to continue. Self-actualizers accept their own human nature with all its flaws. The shortcomings of others and the contradictions of the human condition are accepted with humor and tolerance. If you are secured, you really don't care what others say.

    As Paul Fussell pointed out, people at insecure position are more nervous about their social rank. If some one is obsessed about alpha-beta crap, very likely a loser.

    We basically do not give a scheiße about these apha-beta crap. His only thing out of ordinary is a fancy sports car which he will not allow any one else to touch… If you are secured, you really don’t care what others say.

    Sounds alpha.

    As Paul Fussell pointed out, people at insecure position are more nervous about their social rank. If some one is obsessed about alpha-beta crap, very likely a loser.

    Sociologists are pretty obsessed about social rank by definition.

  32. @AndrewR

    I mostly avoid more recent games and just play the stuff from 15 or 20 years ago
     
    Oh god, you're one of those people

    “Oh god, you’re one of those people”

    I think a lot of people would tell you that the mid/late 1990s and early 2000s were the “golden age” of gaming. May be partly just nostalgia, but it really does seem to me that on the whole video games have stagnated or even regressed as a medium…and whole genres that once were prominent have largely disappeared or have been dumbed down.
    I’d agree though that television is even dumber than most video games.

  33. @Kamran
    "Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women."

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting? How is pretending to be an "alpha" cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn't have if she wasn't tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There's only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you "pretend" to be a famous man? Like that guy who did the prank where somebody "recognizes" him in a mall, and then a flurry of female passers by suddenly become interested in him?

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?

    Good question. Not that I know of. I think it is useful to think of alpha/beta as a kind of spread of character traits which tends to express itself in different mannerisms (alpha – cool aloofness; beta – submissive gestures, hesistancy, etc).

    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting?

    I don’t really think so. But what is true is that different societies have different preferences on the alpha-beta scale. For instant, being confident-cocky works well in the US but apparently works badly in Jante Law Scandinavia. Some societies, especially the more K-selected ones, favor betaness. Moreover I consider that a good thing, generally speaking.

    How is pretending to be an “alpha” cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn’t have if she wasn’t tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?

    Women are wired to favor “alpha fucks, beta bucks” (to different extents, and not all of them act upon it, but it’s a real instinct). The popular image of a “player” or “PUA” is of a neckbearded dweeb who (successfully or not) passes off as a “natural.” It is at a very deep unconscious level, but many women find the thought of accidentally sleeping with one such to be deeply repulsive, perhaps even reminiscent of rape in some sense.

    Note that the strongest invective against players/PUAs comes from feminists and SJWs. You would think that it is sexually conservative religious traditionalists who would be the ones having problems with “game” and calling for the likes of Roosh to be banned from entering their countries, but no, that is not the case at all. Why? My theory explains it. It is precisely on account of their loose sexual habits (once known as “sluttiness”) that SJW/feminist women are more likely to get “cucked” by players in the first place. For more traditionally-minded women, this is simply not an issue since they don’t have one-night stands with different men every week in the first place.

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There’s only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you “pretend” to be a famous man?

    Very general questions. How to pretend to be a famous man? Just be one (in your own mind) is the standard advice given. Doing so will naturally express itself in your gestures and facial expressions. Of course this is easier said than done.

    There is a vast body of research on how to increase your level of influence over people, how to clinch deals (Trump wrote a whole book on that – he’s also married to a hot model 24 years his junior), etc., etc., that are studied in environments as “respectable” as business schools. This likely wouldn’t be happening if it was all snake oil. Of course people have differing “natural” levels of influence, but you can still train people to be salesmen, copywriters, viral marketeers, lobbyists, etc. Seduction is merely a subset of influence, so it would be pretty strange if was not learnable just like influence is.

    Roosh’s “Bang” remains #29 in Amazon’s “Sexuality” section, 5 years after its publication. This is an impressive achievement. Ignoring the 41% of 1’s given by butthurt SJWs, its average rating is somewhere around 4.5. This degree of acclaim suggests that Roosh knows what he’s talking about and that the people who read it are benefitting from it.

    • Replies: @5371
    [Women are wired to favor “alpha fucks, beta bucks”]

    There were no bucks at all in the ancestral environment, so how can they be wired to favour them?

    [This degree of acclaim suggests that Roosh knows what he’s talking about and that the people who read it are benefitting from it.]

    I don't think you want to apply that reasoning to all bestsellers.
    , @Kamran
    "(Trump wrote a whole book on that – he’s also married to a hot model 24 years his junior),"

    Trump is Trump. Most are chumps. Just like the JayMan likes to say: "where does alpha come from"?

    There's probably real limits to what a single man can achieve.
  34. @Anatoly Karlin

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
     
    Good question. Not that I know of. I think it is useful to think of alpha/beta as a kind of spread of character traits which tends to express itself in different mannerisms (alpha - cool aloofness; beta - submissive gestures, hesistancy, etc).

    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting?
     
    I don't really think so. But what is true is that different societies have different preferences on the alpha-beta scale. For instant, being confident-cocky works well in the US but apparently works badly in Jante Law Scandinavia. Some societies, especially the more K-selected ones, favor betaness. Moreover I consider that a good thing, generally speaking.

    How is pretending to be an “alpha” cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn’t have if she wasn’t tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?
     
    Women are wired to favor "alpha fucks, beta bucks" (to different extents, and not all of them act upon it, but it's a real instinct). The popular image of a "player" or "PUA" is of a neckbearded dweeb who (successfully or not) passes off as a "natural." It is at a very deep unconscious level, but many women find the thought of accidentally sleeping with one such to be deeply repulsive, perhaps even reminiscent of rape in some sense.

    Note that the strongest invective against players/PUAs comes from feminists and SJWs. You would think that it is sexually conservative religious traditionalists who would be the ones having problems with "game" and calling for the likes of Roosh to be banned from entering their countries, but no, that is not the case at all. Why? My theory explains it. It is precisely on account of their loose sexual habits (once known as "sluttiness") that SJW/feminist women are more likely to get "cucked" by players in the first place. For more traditionally-minded women, this is simply not an issue since they don't have one-night stands with different men every week in the first place.

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There’s only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you “pretend” to be a famous man?
     
    Very general questions. How to pretend to be a famous man? Just be one (in your own mind) is the standard advice given. Doing so will naturally express itself in your gestures and facial expressions. Of course this is easier said than done.

    There is a vast body of research on how to increase your level of influence over people, how to clinch deals (Trump wrote a whole book on that - he's also married to a hot model 24 years his junior), etc., etc., that are studied in environments as "respectable" as business schools. This likely wouldn't be happening if it was all snake oil. Of course people have differing "natural" levels of influence, but you can still train people to be salesmen, copywriters, viral marketeers, lobbyists, etc. Seduction is merely a subset of influence, so it would be pretty strange if was not learnable just like influence is.

    Roosh's "Bang" remains #29 in Amazon's "Sexuality" section, 5 years after its publication. This is an impressive achievement. Ignoring the 41% of 1's given by butthurt SJWs, its average rating is somewhere around 4.5. This degree of acclaim suggests that Roosh knows what he's talking about and that the people who read it are benefitting from it.

    [Women are wired to favor “alpha fucks, beta bucks”]

    There were no bucks at all in the ancestral environment, so how can they be wired to favour them?

    [This degree of acclaim suggests that Roosh knows what he’s talking about and that the people who read it are benefitting from it.]

    I don’t think you want to apply that reasoning to all bestsellers.

  35. @Anatoly Karlin

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
     
    Good question. Not that I know of. I think it is useful to think of alpha/beta as a kind of spread of character traits which tends to express itself in different mannerisms (alpha - cool aloofness; beta - submissive gestures, hesistancy, etc).

    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting?
     
    I don't really think so. But what is true is that different societies have different preferences on the alpha-beta scale. For instant, being confident-cocky works well in the US but apparently works badly in Jante Law Scandinavia. Some societies, especially the more K-selected ones, favor betaness. Moreover I consider that a good thing, generally speaking.

    How is pretending to be an “alpha” cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn’t have if she wasn’t tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?
     
    Women are wired to favor "alpha fucks, beta bucks" (to different extents, and not all of them act upon it, but it's a real instinct). The popular image of a "player" or "PUA" is of a neckbearded dweeb who (successfully or not) passes off as a "natural." It is at a very deep unconscious level, but many women find the thought of accidentally sleeping with one such to be deeply repulsive, perhaps even reminiscent of rape in some sense.

    Note that the strongest invective against players/PUAs comes from feminists and SJWs. You would think that it is sexually conservative religious traditionalists who would be the ones having problems with "game" and calling for the likes of Roosh to be banned from entering their countries, but no, that is not the case at all. Why? My theory explains it. It is precisely on account of their loose sexual habits (once known as "sluttiness") that SJW/feminist women are more likely to get "cucked" by players in the first place. For more traditionally-minded women, this is simply not an issue since they don't have one-night stands with different men every week in the first place.

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There’s only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you “pretend” to be a famous man?
     
    Very general questions. How to pretend to be a famous man? Just be one (in your own mind) is the standard advice given. Doing so will naturally express itself in your gestures and facial expressions. Of course this is easier said than done.

    There is a vast body of research on how to increase your level of influence over people, how to clinch deals (Trump wrote a whole book on that - he's also married to a hot model 24 years his junior), etc., etc., that are studied in environments as "respectable" as business schools. This likely wouldn't be happening if it was all snake oil. Of course people have differing "natural" levels of influence, but you can still train people to be salesmen, copywriters, viral marketeers, lobbyists, etc. Seduction is merely a subset of influence, so it would be pretty strange if was not learnable just like influence is.

    Roosh's "Bang" remains #29 in Amazon's "Sexuality" section, 5 years after its publication. This is an impressive achievement. Ignoring the 41% of 1's given by butthurt SJWs, its average rating is somewhere around 4.5. This degree of acclaim suggests that Roosh knows what he's talking about and that the people who read it are benefitting from it.

    “(Trump wrote a whole book on that – he’s also married to a hot model 24 years his junior),”

    Trump is Trump. Most are chumps. Just like the JayMan likes to say: “where does alpha come from”?

    There’s probably real limits to what a single man can achieve.

    • Replies: @Sean
    There have been a few interesting studies of West Point graduates. One showed that the most masculine faced tended to get to higher ranks. But, those who attained the very highest rank had fewer children.


    There’s probably real limits to what a single man can achieve, but those limits are not the same across societies.
  36. @Kamran
    "(Trump wrote a whole book on that – he’s also married to a hot model 24 years his junior),"

    Trump is Trump. Most are chumps. Just like the JayMan likes to say: "where does alpha come from"?

    There's probably real limits to what a single man can achieve.

    There have been a few interesting studies of West Point graduates. One showed that the most masculine faced tended to get to higher ranks. But, those who attained the very highest rank had fewer children.

    There’s probably real limits to what a single man can achieve, but those limits are not the same across societies.

    • Replies: @Sean the Neon Caucasian
    Kind of related, but when I took a sociology class in the 90s one of the ideas taught was that bosses and managers tended to put more trust in married men and more so in married men with children. The narrative went that it was a patriarchal structure and imposed a glass ceiling over women in the workforce. Funny thing was when I started actually working in my field, it was the unmarried, (mostly) childless men that seemed to get farther than everyone else. What little respect I had for sociology crumbled shortly after that realization.
  37. @Sean
    There have been a few interesting studies of West Point graduates. One showed that the most masculine faced tended to get to higher ranks. But, those who attained the very highest rank had fewer children.


    There’s probably real limits to what a single man can achieve, but those limits are not the same across societies.

    Kind of related, but when I took a sociology class in the 90s one of the ideas taught was that bosses and managers tended to put more trust in married men and more so in married men with children. The narrative went that it was a patriarchal structure and imposed a glass ceiling over women in the workforce. Funny thing was when I started actually working in my field, it was the unmarried, (mostly) childless men that seemed to get farther than everyone else. What little respect I had for sociology crumbled shortly after that realization.

    • Replies: @SFG
    It's possible the studies were from the 50s or some prior era and were still being taught.

    They are really hemmed in by having to be left-wing though.
  38. @Sean
    Eric, I think there are a lot of different things going on with women and immigration. Maternal instincts need an outlet, many girls seem to get really upset about cruelty to animals in the same way they get exercised with migration issues. I know a few who have pet bunny rabbits, these are girls in their twenties who live in their own apartment.

    In Germany the ethos is very female orientated: anti nuclear, and environmentalist. The Germans have taken it so far that the engineering can't keep up with the anti pollution regulations (hence Volkswagen has had to fake it). What I wonder about the Cuck thing is it's the ultimate insult for a man, but how can it affect a female oriented politics?

    Women’s pro-immigration stance has nothing to do with the he perceived attractiveness of the immigrants.

    Daenarys in Game of Thrones doesn’t sleep with the slaves she saves. She just like being adored by them while she sleeps with a couple of true English and European alphas.

    You guys who think that the immigrants are attractive to Euro women have massive issues of your own, and you’re broadcasting those issues over the Internet…

    Don’t worry, those immigrants certainly have the same issues, only stronger, the other way around.

    It’s white, even aryan looking, Hollywood male stars who are on the bedroom walls of black, brown and yellow girls worldwide. Have you guys ever been anywhere at all?

    …and local guys don’t just know it but they agree with it, all the third world agrees with me! You guys are weirdly clueless…if you’re white and have any confidence at all, you’re incredibly valuable to women everywhere…unless you’re a teenager…and even then…

    You guys need to get out more. I’m no model, can’t really dance and have little money but I’ve not struggled (if on any given night i want to sleep with an attractive girl I can 80 percent of the time) anywhere in the world…at least since I developed the right mindset.

    Anyway, back to the point chicks who dig immigration don’t dig immigrants, don’t listen to Whiskey, he is a perv. They just dig status and virtue signalling and feeling a super white special snowflake philanthropist.

    The types of chicks who dig immigrants don’t tend to have an opinion on immigration, or if they do, it is a often quite negative.

    Missionaries didn’t go to Africa to sleep with the locals. They went to feel like heros. Their successors bring migrant’s to Europe for the same reason.

  39. @Anatoly Karlin

    1. A CEO who has had only a very few children and sex partners
     
    Can be either.

    2. A guy who has lots of kids but is poor and hen-pecked
     
    Beta by definition.

    3. A guy who has had sex with a lot of sluts but is a wandering Iranian grifter
     
    Roosh is a beta. That's not an insult, it's the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what "game" is all about.

    It is also why women dislike "players"/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA "gurus" like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It's all understandable from an evolutionary perspective.

    Roosh is a beta. That’s not an insult, it’s the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what “game” is all about.

    It is also why women dislike “players”/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA “gurus” like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It’s all understandable from an evolutionary perspective

    I’m going to get kicked for this but I’m certainly an alpha and I recognise those like me immediately and they recognise me and you’re right, Strauss and Roosh are weird betas who’ve learnt some useful tricks.

    Not sure about Heartiste. I think he is genuinely funny though. Also no need to be a play it gets boring

    • Replies: @5371
    Pro tip: no-one who says, "I'm certainly an alpha" is an alpha.
    I don't know what an alpha is, but even I know that.
  40. @Kamran
    "Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women."

    Is there any standard of measurement for alpha/beta like the HEXACO?
    Also if this can a person in a particular ethnic group be an alpha for that group, but be a beta in a different social setting? How is pretending to be an "alpha" cucking a woman? What does cucking mean in this case, i.e., to trick a woman on wasting her reproductive resources on a man she wouldn't have if she wasn't tricked? Like a man screwing a sex doll in a prison cell, for lack of a real woman?

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works? There's only their blogs and their promises to go by. Women like famous men. How do you "pretend" to be a famous man? Like that guy who did the prank where somebody "recognizes" him in a mall, and then a flurry of female passers by suddenly become interested in him?

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works?

    Be articulate, unapologetic, confident and give off a high status ‘smell’…also have genuine empathy but little sympathy and you’re sorted with chicks.

    Or simply: just be white, in decent (not fat) shape, wear clean clothes and don’t act like a tw*t and you’ll be fine.

    It’s not difficult! I love you guys on the these sites but I despair at how clever people can be so clueless and overcomplicating something so simple.

    I suppose Heartiste gets it with a few simple mantras like don’t apologise. Or don’t take things personally but still compete. I don’t know…it’s easy.

    • Replies: @SFG
    This doesn't come naturally to a lot of us.
  41. @Deduction

    Roosh is a beta. That’s not an insult, it’s the reality. His entire shtick is his quest to transform himself from a beta to an alpha by studying and mimicking alpha traits. That is what “game” is all about.

    It is also why women dislike “players”/PUAs. Since alpha/beta is heritable, like all known personality traits, players in effect cuck women.

    PUA “gurus” like Roosh, Heartiste (who strikes me as a real alpha), Neil Strauss (beta), etc. help spread this form of cuckoldry on something close to a mass scale which is why they are such objects of hatred. It’s all understandable from an evolutionary perspective
     

    I'm going to get kicked for this but I'm certainly an alpha and I recognise those like me immediately and they recognise me and you're right, Strauss and Roosh are weird betas who've learnt some useful tricks.

    Not sure about Heartiste. I think he is genuinely funny though. Also no need to be a play it gets boring

    Pro tip: no-one who says, “I’m certainly an alpha” is an alpha.
    I don’t know what an alpha is, but even I know that.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    You're wrong. The conversation required it.

    As for what I think an alpha is...it's just people doing what you say for no better reason than you said it.

  42. @5371
    Pro tip: no-one who says, "I'm certainly an alpha" is an alpha.
    I don't know what an alpha is, but even I know that.

    You’re wrong. The conversation required it.

    As for what I think an alpha is…it’s just people doing what you say for no better reason than you said it.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    People do what you tell them to and they enjoy it for no other reason than you tell them.
  43. @Deduction
    You're wrong. The conversation required it.

    As for what I think an alpha is...it's just people doing what you say for no better reason than you said it.

    People do what you tell them to and they enjoy it for no other reason than you tell them.

  44. @Sean the Neon Caucasian
    Kind of related, but when I took a sociology class in the 90s one of the ideas taught was that bosses and managers tended to put more trust in married men and more so in married men with children. The narrative went that it was a patriarchal structure and imposed a glass ceiling over women in the workforce. Funny thing was when I started actually working in my field, it was the unmarried, (mostly) childless men that seemed to get farther than everyone else. What little respect I had for sociology crumbled shortly after that realization.

    It’s possible the studies were from the 50s or some prior era and were still being taught.

    They are really hemmed in by having to be left-wing though.

  45. @Deduction

    Is there any proof that any of the things Heartiste, Roosh, et. al say, works?
     
    Be articulate, unapologetic, confident and give off a high status 'smell'...also have genuine empathy but little sympathy and you're sorted with chicks.

    Or simply: just be white, in decent (not fat) shape, wear clean clothes and don't act like a tw*t and you'll be fine.

    It's not difficult! I love you guys on the these sites but I despair at how clever people can be so clueless and overcomplicating something so simple.

    I suppose Heartiste gets it with a few simple mantras like don't apologise. Or don't take things personally but still compete. I don't know...it's easy.

    This doesn’t come naturally to a lot of us.

    • Replies: @Deduction
    I've realised recently that the language of 'honour' is really useful for helping men to think about this type of thing.

    The phrase 'you're dishonouring me' communicates a lot of meaning.

    For picking up a random chick I find that just talking to her and engaging her works pretty well, but, there's always a time to leave, and the best way I can describe that time is when she is dishonouring you.

    The same applies in a relationship but even more so. If your girlfriend starts squawking at you in public then she's dishonouring you and you need to make it clear that injuries to your honour are entirely unacceptable.

    Perhaps another definition of alpha and beta is that an alpha keeps his honour at all times while a beta will sacrifice it for all sorts of silly things.
  46. @SFG
    This doesn't come naturally to a lot of us.

    I’ve realised recently that the language of ‘honour’ is really useful for helping men to think about this type of thing.

    The phrase ‘you’re dishonouring me’ communicates a lot of meaning.

    For picking up a random chick I find that just talking to her and engaging her works pretty well, but, there’s always a time to leave, and the best way I can describe that time is when she is dishonouring you.

    The same applies in a relationship but even more so. If your girlfriend starts squawking at you in public then she’s dishonouring you and you need to make it clear that injuries to your honour are entirely unacceptable.

    Perhaps another definition of alpha and beta is that an alpha keeps his honour at all times while a beta will sacrifice it for all sorts of silly things.

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