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Scan from pp.156 of the “Russian Calendar” for 1915, a yearly publication from Alexander Suvorin‘s publishing house that ran from 1872-1917* that has been making the rounds on Runet.

Crimes committed /100,000 by ethnicity in late Russian Empire:

Theft Admin Crimes Assault State crimes Robbery Murder Commercial Crimes Fraud
Poles 25 11 12 2 4 4 10 2
Lithuanians & Latvians 21 10 5 8 8 3 8 2
Russians 20 5 6 2 3 4 1 1
Jews 20 6 1 8 2 2 23 6
Mountain Caucasians 33 4 5 0.6 7 18 0.9 3
Armenians 17 5 4 3 5 14 3 4
Georgians 25 5 5 4 10 10 2 4
Germans 9 4 2 1 1 1 8 1
AVERAGE 20 5 6 2 3 4 3 2

The Poles love to fight, the Caucasoids are being Caucasoids, the Jews are shaking shekels out of the goyim… and the Germans are orderly.

Another thing of note is that the Russian murder rate at 4/100,000 on the eve of the Empire is comparable to that of today, which in turn is far lower than during the 1970-2015 period. In terms of Pinkerian “civilizing” trends, Russia has merely returned to where it left off a century ago after the Soviet interlude.

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Суворин А. С., издательство (Петербург). Русский календарь… / А. Суворина. – Санкт-Петербург, 1872-1916. – на 1915 г. : 44-й год. – 1915. – XXVIII, 500 с.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

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  2. We’re supposed to be against stereotyping people, but stereotyping came about by normal folks that just looked at their neighbors and noting patterns. That every person in a given category doesn’t match up to the stereotype is obvious as there’s always an exception to the rule, but on the whole, stereotypes are correct when viewed in a broad brush manner.

    The stereotype of a young black man is that he’s a danger to almost everyone. That’s a healthy thought to have as it provides an early warning to be prepared or get out of the way. That the Irish and Russians like to drink, the Italians are in the Mafia, the Germans are war like, the Mexicans aren’t too bright, etc all come about by observation. There’s nothing wrong with that. What’s wrong is not seeing a particular person clearly after you’ve gotten to know them.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @advancedatheist
    @RoatanBill

    At least Mexicans show a better attitude towards work and maintain more stable families than blacks. I can see why our elites want to use Mexicans and similar Hispanics to push blacks aside as their preferred service class.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    , @Marshal Marlow
    @RoatanBill

    I've never quite understood the problem people have with stereotyping. It seems to be a very advantageous survival trait for those occasions when a person may not have enough information to make an informed decision within the available time.

    As you note, problems arise when a person continues to apply the stereotype to an individual when the person has sufficient information in respect of that individual. In that regard, I think your nation-state based examples are propagandistic stereotypes rather than instinctive stereotypes. The difference I think is that propaganda stereotypes are the stories we are told by vested interests, whereas instinctive stereotypes are things that have an instinctive survival value.

  3. Murder: We are talking here of criminals, not victims. 4 murderers might mean more victims.
    Jews: well of course you’d expect Jews to be more involved in trading.
    But you would also expect people to use the accusation of fraud against them more often, and courts to back weak claims.
    Exploitation of the goyim? or exploitation of the law against the goyim?

  4. Used data from Wiki on homicides rates in countries. Used Israel for Jews. For Mountain Caucasians set it to 3 which is close for North Caucasian Federal District, Ingushetia, Dagestan and for Russia took word for it.

    Pol 4 0.73
    Lit+Lat 3 4.5
    Rus 4 4
    Jew 2 1.36
    Mt. Cau 18 3
    Arm 14 1.69
    Geo 10 2.22
    Ger 1 0.95

    Correlation is 0.11.

    Without Mountain Caucasians correlation is -0.05.

    While the stereotypes may have lasting power they do not correlate with data over long time periods.

    Jews and German with low murder rates were least impacted by taking them out of Russia while Poles, Armenians and Georgian were the most impacted in positive way. And Lithuanians and Latvians seem to have not noticed they are no longer a part of Russia.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @utu

    Sure, reality can change over time, and stereotypes will accompany them.

    There would have been even less of a correlation in, say, the early 2000s, when the Russian homicide rate was at 20/100,000 due to the alcoholization epidemic from 1965-2015 that its spiked homicide rates, a phenomenon that affected East Slavs in the USSR disproportionately. That and a general civilizing trend is what explains the Polish, Armenian, and Georgian improvements, not taking them out of Russia per se - though the Caucasoids did benefit from depositing most of their vory onto Russia. As this alcoholization period comes to an end, I expect Russians' homicide numbers to reconverge to their old relative position, i.e. eventually not too dissimilar from those of Poles (Finns, etc).

    Replies: @utu, @Philip Owen

    , @Russian Unionist
    @utu

    Did you add Ukraine and Belarus to the notional modern "Russian" number? Because Russians in this 1915 calendar include what are now know as Ukrainians and Belarusians as well.

  5. @RoatanBill
    We're supposed to be against stereotyping people, but stereotyping came about by normal folks that just looked at their neighbors and noting patterns. That every person in a given category doesn't match up to the stereotype is obvious as there's always an exception to the rule, but on the whole, stereotypes are correct when viewed in a broad brush manner.

    The stereotype of a young black man is that he's a danger to almost everyone. That's a healthy thought to have as it provides an early warning to be prepared or get out of the way. That the Irish and Russians like to drink, the Italians are in the Mafia, the Germans are war like, the Mexicans aren't too bright, etc all come about by observation. There's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is not seeing a particular person clearly after you've gotten to know them.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Marshal Marlow

    At least Mexicans show a better attitude towards work and maintain more stable families than blacks. I can see why our elites want to use Mexicans and similar Hispanics to push blacks aside as their preferred service class.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    @advancedatheist

    I agree. I think the differences between groups of individuals boils down mostly to IQ. A higher IQ makes one curious about everything leading to wanting knowledge and producing people that actually know something worthwhile. The lower the IQ, the less curious and a population that's satisfied with using what's at hand without ever wanting to know how it works.

    Blacks excel at sports where IQ hardly matters and crime and violence where lack of IQ matters. Hispanics are laborers. They are very good at construction and the trades generally from my observation. The Asians are always the names on leading research papers along with a few white sounding names. The American Indian is generally useless along with the Australian aborigine; too tied up in their backwards culture and too dumb to compete, much like blacks.

    The exceptions really stand out though. There are quite a few fine black surgeons, for example. The Asian gangs are ruthless and extremely violent.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  6. Poles and Russians are close in most parameters; Jews are, apart from being swindlers, probably organized in political activity (state crime); Caucasians are violent thugs.

  7. Just a few things I noticed here:

    1) Something that confuses me is why the Armenian murder rate is so high. I was expecting Armenians to have a high rate of fraud maybe, but not murder.

    2) LMAO at the Jewish commercial crime rate.

    3) The Mountain Caucasian murder rate is not surprising, given how rough Chechen, Dagestani, and Circassian cultures are.

    4) The Polish assault rate is really stereotypical, lol.

    As far as the comment about the Soviet Union having a higher crime rate than the Russian Empire, it is also important to note that Moscow in the 1970s was safer to travel at night than New York or Los Angeles. The high Russian crime rate was at its worst between 1990-2008.

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @4Dchessmaster


    1) Something that confuses me is why the Armenian murder rate is so high. I was expecting Armenians to have a high rate of fraud maybe, but not murder.
     
    You know Armenians often have Muslim-tier attitudes when it comes to wounded pride or family matters, particularly daughters. Incidentally, I think Greeks, another Christian people long under the Turks, have absorbed similar attitudes. Simple assaults are rare amongst caucasians for the same reason, physical fights are avoided, because if one starts, there's a stupid idea that's it's most honourable and expedient 'to finish it'.

    Replies: @4Dchessmaster

  8. Remove matzos? How many of those Germans are Jews, like Blankfein? Or someone whose surname ends with berg or tein?

  9. Because Germans in Europe do not particularly stand out in my memory as being especially involved in financial scandals like Parmalat.

  10. From the graph, I notice that the “Ukrainians” (Little Russians) live up to their stereotype of being inconspicuous. 🙂

    Моя хата скраю, я нічого не знаю. .

    But is it accurate? You judge for yourself.

  11. @advancedatheist
    @RoatanBill

    At least Mexicans show a better attitude towards work and maintain more stable families than blacks. I can see why our elites want to use Mexicans and similar Hispanics to push blacks aside as their preferred service class.

    Replies: @RoatanBill

    I agree. I think the differences between groups of individuals boils down mostly to IQ. A higher IQ makes one curious about everything leading to wanting knowledge and producing people that actually know something worthwhile. The lower the IQ, the less curious and a population that’s satisfied with using what’s at hand without ever wanting to know how it works.

    Blacks excel at sports where IQ hardly matters and crime and violence where lack of IQ matters. Hispanics are laborers. They are very good at construction and the trades generally from my observation. The Asians are always the names on leading research papers along with a few white sounding names. The American Indian is generally useless along with the Australian aborigine; too tied up in their backwards culture and too dumb to compete, much like blacks.

    The exceptions really stand out though. There are quite a few fine black surgeons, for example. The Asian gangs are ruthless and extremely violent.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @RoatanBill


    The Asian gangs are ruthless and extremely violent.
     
    And non-existent.

    Replies: @AlexanderVeliky

  12. I wonder if there was a formal definition for theft. Something like “grand larceny” today, or “street robbery.” Those theft stats seem way too low, IMO. It think it was fairly commonplace for people to steal vegetables from each other.

    • Replies: @Znzn
    @songbird

    If farmers stealing each other's crops, livestock, and produce or vendors and businesses stealing each other's products, or students stealing each other's things, is commonplace where you are then where you live must really low sense of ethics, probably below Nigeria or Burundi.

    Replies: @songbird

  13. @utu
    Used data from Wiki on homicides rates in countries. Used Israel for Jews. For Mountain Caucasians set it to 3 which is close for North Caucasian Federal District, Ingushetia, Dagestan and for Russia took word for it.

    Pol 4 0.73
    Lit+Lat 3 4.5
    Rus 4 4
    Jew 2 1.36
    Mt. Cau 18 3
    Arm 14 1.69
    Geo 10 2.22
    Ger 1 0.95

    Correlation is 0.11.

    Without Mountain Caucasians correlation is -0.05.

    While the stereotypes may have lasting power they do not correlate with data over long time periods.

    Jews and German with low murder rates were least impacted by taking them out of Russia while Poles, Armenians and Georgian were the most impacted in positive way. And Lithuanians and Latvians seem to have not noticed they are no longer a part of Russia.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Russian Unionist

    Sure, reality can change over time, and stereotypes will accompany them.

    There would have been even less of a correlation in, say, the early 2000s, when the Russian homicide rate was at 20/100,000 due to the alcoholization epidemic from 1965-2015 that its spiked homicide rates, a phenomenon that affected East Slavs in the USSR disproportionately. That and a general civilizing trend is what explains the Polish, Armenian, and Georgian improvements, not taking them out of Russia per se – though the Caucasoids did benefit from depositing most of their vory onto Russia. As this alcoholization period comes to an end, I expect Russians’ homicide numbers to reconverge to their old relative position, i.e. eventually not too dissimilar from those of Poles (Finns, etc).

    • Replies: @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Alcoholization is definitively a curse. Better jobs and better culture of drinking will change it.

    I am curious why Lit and Lat remain high. That Ukr is the highest I am not surprised. Est is comparable to Fin that can make sense. And that Slo is twice as high as Cze partially may explain why Czechs were relieved when Slovaks asked for a divorce. Ita is very low while Hun surprisingly high. Italians and Hungarians were quickest to draw a knife among the early 20th century immigrants in the US. Singapore is the lowest at 0.16/100k.

    Ukr(6.20)>Lit(4.57)>Lat(4.36)>Hun(2.50)>Bel(2.39)>Est(2.12)>Fin(1.63)>Slo(1.37)>Rom(1.28)>
    >UK(1.20)>Aus(0.97)>Ger(0.95)>Pol(0.73)>Spa(0.62)>Czech(0.6)=SKo(0.60)>Swi(0.59)=
    =Net(0.59)>Cro(0.58)>Ita(0.57)>>Nor(0.47)>Lux().30)>Jap(0.26)>Sin(0.16)

    Replies: @AP, @Shortsword

    , @Philip Owen
    @Anatoly Karlin

    There are disproportionate numbers of Poles in British prisons. Lots of drink and domestic violence. Albanians top the per head of population list though. Gypsy heritage I believe.

  14. @Anatoly Karlin
    @utu

    Sure, reality can change over time, and stereotypes will accompany them.

    There would have been even less of a correlation in, say, the early 2000s, when the Russian homicide rate was at 20/100,000 due to the alcoholization epidemic from 1965-2015 that its spiked homicide rates, a phenomenon that affected East Slavs in the USSR disproportionately. That and a general civilizing trend is what explains the Polish, Armenian, and Georgian improvements, not taking them out of Russia per se - though the Caucasoids did benefit from depositing most of their vory onto Russia. As this alcoholization period comes to an end, I expect Russians' homicide numbers to reconverge to their old relative position, i.e. eventually not too dissimilar from those of Poles (Finns, etc).

    Replies: @utu, @Philip Owen

    Alcoholization is definitively a curse. Better jobs and better culture of drinking will change it.

    I am curious why Lit and Lat remain high. That Ukr is the highest I am not surprised. Est is comparable to Fin that can make sense. And that Slo is twice as high as Cze partially may explain why Czechs were relieved when Slovaks asked for a divorce. Ita is very low while Hun surprisingly high. Italians and Hungarians were quickest to draw a knife among the early 20th century immigrants in the US. Singapore is the lowest at 0.16/100k.

    Ukr(6.20)>Lit(4.57)>Lat(4.36)>Hun(2.50)>Bel(2.39)>Est(2.12)>Fin(1.63)>Slo(1.37)>Rom(1.28)>
    >UK(1.20)>Aus(0.97)>Ger(0.95)>Pol(0.73)>Spa(0.62)>Czech(0.6)=SKo(0.60)>Swi(0.59)=
    =Net(0.59)>Cro(0.58)>Ita(0.57)>>Nor(0.47)>Lux().30)>Jap(0.26)>Sin(0.16)

    • Replies: @AP
    @utu

    Ukraine’s figure was from 2017; it was coming off the 2015 spike and is most likely lower now.

    , @Shortsword
    @utu


    And that Slo is twice as high as Cze partially may explain why Czechs were relieved when Slovaks asked for a divorce.
     
    From what I can find support for the dissolution of Czechoslovakia was basically the same in Czechia and Slovakia at around 35%.
  15. @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Alcoholization is definitively a curse. Better jobs and better culture of drinking will change it.

    I am curious why Lit and Lat remain high. That Ukr is the highest I am not surprised. Est is comparable to Fin that can make sense. And that Slo is twice as high as Cze partially may explain why Czechs were relieved when Slovaks asked for a divorce. Ita is very low while Hun surprisingly high. Italians and Hungarians were quickest to draw a knife among the early 20th century immigrants in the US. Singapore is the lowest at 0.16/100k.

    Ukr(6.20)>Lit(4.57)>Lat(4.36)>Hun(2.50)>Bel(2.39)>Est(2.12)>Fin(1.63)>Slo(1.37)>Rom(1.28)>
    >UK(1.20)>Aus(0.97)>Ger(0.95)>Pol(0.73)>Spa(0.62)>Czech(0.6)=SKo(0.60)>Swi(0.59)=
    =Net(0.59)>Cro(0.58)>Ita(0.57)>>Nor(0.47)>Lux().30)>Jap(0.26)>Sin(0.16)

    Replies: @AP, @Shortsword

    Ukraine’s figure was from 2017; it was coming off the 2015 spike and is most likely lower now.

    • Thanks: utu
  16. Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or “persecuted” ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions – not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

    Similar statistics from 1870 or 1860 would be more helpful.

    • Agree: TheTotallyAnonymous
    • Thanks: GazaPlanet
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    @Gerard.Gerard

    Jews were also the most systematically repressed.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    , @The Spirit of Enoch Powell
    @Gerard.Gerard


    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.
     
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXABVexl2dk
    , @Yevardian
    @Gerard.Gerard


    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.
     
    Likely also playing a role is that unlike Чурки-type disorganised murders or public blood feuds where the culprit is exceedingly obvious, homicide amongst Jews was almost exclusively that of the syndicated kind.

    Notice again that for 'state-crimes' Baltics and Jews are again in a league of their own, I assume for separatism and political terrorism respectively. Very impressive murder-rate for Armenians too, despite low indexes on most other crimes.

    , @TheTotallyAnonymous
    @Gerard.Gerard


    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or “persecuted” ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions – not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

     

    It's important to outline here and debunk the claimed "anti-Jewish pogroms in 1905"/whatever of the Russian Empire.

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Pogroms.pdf

    It's also amazing just how many times Jews have tried to screw over, terrorize and destroy Russia and ethnic Russians across the centuries.

    Jews sabotaging 12th century Kievan Rus:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Monomax_Jews.pdf

    Jews trying to infiltrate Novgorod and the Russian Orthodox Church in the 15th century:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jew_Heresy.pdf

    Russian Empire Commissions of Late 19th/Early 19th centuries into Jewish parasitism in West Russia against Russian peasants and other goyim:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Paul_Jews.pdf

    This doesn't even include the infamous Communist Revolution, Civil War and 20th century (Also the many fierce wars and struggles of ancient Russians/Slavs against the Judaic/Jewish Khazarian Empire before 1000 AD). Given all the things they've tried and done, Jews are far too tolerated by Russians (all goyim, really) imo ...

    Replies: @Yevardian

  17. @songbird
    I wonder if there was a formal definition for theft. Something like "grand larceny" today, or "street robbery." Those theft stats seem way too low, IMO. It think it was fairly commonplace for people to steal vegetables from each other.

    Replies: @Znzn

    If farmers stealing each other’s crops, livestock, and produce or vendors and businesses stealing each other’s products, or students stealing each other’s things, is commonplace where you are then where you live must really low sense of ethics, probably below Nigeria or Burundi.

    • Replies: @songbird
    @Znzn

    Well, I meant the phrase "from each other" to be comedic, but theft is surely higher than those figures suggest. Take it as a ratio to murder, and the figures are not believable.

  18. @Anatoly Karlin
    @utu

    Sure, reality can change over time, and stereotypes will accompany them.

    There would have been even less of a correlation in, say, the early 2000s, when the Russian homicide rate was at 20/100,000 due to the alcoholization epidemic from 1965-2015 that its spiked homicide rates, a phenomenon that affected East Slavs in the USSR disproportionately. That and a general civilizing trend is what explains the Polish, Armenian, and Georgian improvements, not taking them out of Russia per se - though the Caucasoids did benefit from depositing most of their vory onto Russia. As this alcoholization period comes to an end, I expect Russians' homicide numbers to reconverge to their old relative position, i.e. eventually not too dissimilar from those of Poles (Finns, etc).

    Replies: @utu, @Philip Owen

    There are disproportionate numbers of Poles in British prisons. Lots of drink and domestic violence. Albanians top the per head of population list though. Gypsy heritage I believe.

  19. @Gerard.Gerard
    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or "persecuted" ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions - not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

    Similar statistics from 1870 or 1860 would be more helpful.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Yevardian, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Jews were also the most systematically repressed.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
    @Philip Owen

    Had it better than US Blacks of that period.

  20. @Philip Owen
    @Gerard.Gerard

    Jews were also the most systematically repressed.

    Replies: @Mikhail

    Had it better than US Blacks of that period.

    • Agree: Philip Owen
  21. @Znzn
    @songbird

    If farmers stealing each other's crops, livestock, and produce or vendors and businesses stealing each other's products, or students stealing each other's things, is commonplace where you are then where you live must really low sense of ethics, probably below Nigeria or Burundi.

    Replies: @songbird

    Well, I meant the phrase “from each other” to be comedic, but theft is surely higher than those figures suggest. Take it as a ratio to murder, and the figures are not believable.

  22. @Gerard.Gerard
    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or "persecuted" ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions - not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

    Similar statistics from 1870 or 1860 would be more helpful.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Yevardian, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

  23. Why aren’t Central Asians included in this chart? Too few of them? Or not enough data for them?

    Also, Ukrainians + Belarusians are also included in the Russian category, correct?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Also, Ukrainians + Belarusians are also included in the Russian category, correct?
     
    Yes, almost certainly the case, given it refers to русские, not великороссы.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

  24. @Mr. XYZ
    Why aren't Central Asians included in this chart? Too few of them? Or not enough data for them?

    Also, Ukrainians + Belarusians are also included in the Russian category, correct?

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin

    Also, Ukrainians + Belarusians are also included in the Russian category, correct?

    Yes, almost certainly the case, given it refers to русские, not великороссы.

    • Replies: @Mr. XYZ
    @Anatoly Karlin

    OK. Also, it was early on under Communism that "Russkiye" began exclusively referring to (Great) Russians, correct?

    BTW, why aren't statistics for Central Asians and other large groups, such as Tatars, available here?

    In addition, is this entire book available online?

  25. @Gerard.Gerard
    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or "persecuted" ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions - not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

    Similar statistics from 1870 or 1860 would be more helpful.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Yevardian, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

    Likely also playing a role is that unlike Чурки-type disorganised murders or public blood feuds where the culprit is exceedingly obvious, homicide amongst Jews was almost exclusively that of the syndicated kind.

    Notice again that for ‘state-crimes’ Baltics and Jews are again in a league of their own, I assume for separatism and political terrorism respectively. Very impressive murder-rate for Armenians too, despite low indexes on most other crimes.

    • Agree: Gerard.Gerard
  26. @4Dchessmaster
    Just a few things I noticed here:

    1) Something that confuses me is why the Armenian murder rate is so high. I was expecting Armenians to have a high rate of fraud maybe, but not murder.

    2) LMAO at the Jewish commercial crime rate.

    3) The Mountain Caucasian murder rate is not surprising, given how rough Chechen, Dagestani, and Circassian cultures are.

    4) The Polish assault rate is really stereotypical, lol.

    As far as the comment about the Soviet Union having a higher crime rate than the Russian Empire, it is also important to note that Moscow in the 1970s was safer to travel at night than New York or Los Angeles. The high Russian crime rate was at its worst between 1990-2008.

    Replies: @Yevardian

    1) Something that confuses me is why the Armenian murder rate is so high. I was expecting Armenians to have a high rate of fraud maybe, but not murder.

    You know Armenians often have Muslim-tier attitudes when it comes to wounded pride or family matters, particularly daughters. Incidentally, I think Greeks, another Christian people long under the Turks, have absorbed similar attitudes. Simple assaults are rare amongst caucasians for the same reason, physical fights are avoided, because if one starts, there’s a stupid idea that’s it’s most honourable and expedient ‘to finish it’.

    • Replies: @4Dchessmaster
    @Yevardian

    I agree. Although it was not the case in my family, I did notice this among other Armenians. It makes sense that we have that "finish it" attitude, because it is weird to see how we otherwise have a low crime rate on this chart.

  27. @Yevardian
    @4Dchessmaster


    1) Something that confuses me is why the Armenian murder rate is so high. I was expecting Armenians to have a high rate of fraud maybe, but not murder.
     
    You know Armenians often have Muslim-tier attitudes when it comes to wounded pride or family matters, particularly daughters. Incidentally, I think Greeks, another Christian people long under the Turks, have absorbed similar attitudes. Simple assaults are rare amongst caucasians for the same reason, physical fights are avoided, because if one starts, there's a stupid idea that's it's most honourable and expedient 'to finish it'.

    Replies: @4Dchessmaster

    I agree. Although it was not the case in my family, I did notice this among other Armenians. It makes sense that we have that “finish it” attitude, because it is weird to see how we otherwise have a low crime rate on this chart.

  28. @Anatoly Karlin
    @Mr. XYZ


    Also, Ukrainians + Belarusians are also included in the Russian category, correct?
     
    Yes, almost certainly the case, given it refers to русские, not великороссы.

    Replies: @Mr. XYZ

    OK. Also, it was early on under Communism that “Russkiye” began exclusively referring to (Great) Russians, correct?

    BTW, why aren’t statistics for Central Asians and other large groups, such as Tatars, available here?

    In addition, is this entire book available online?

  29. @RoatanBill
    We're supposed to be against stereotyping people, but stereotyping came about by normal folks that just looked at their neighbors and noting patterns. That every person in a given category doesn't match up to the stereotype is obvious as there's always an exception to the rule, but on the whole, stereotypes are correct when viewed in a broad brush manner.

    The stereotype of a young black man is that he's a danger to almost everyone. That's a healthy thought to have as it provides an early warning to be prepared or get out of the way. That the Irish and Russians like to drink, the Italians are in the Mafia, the Germans are war like, the Mexicans aren't too bright, etc all come about by observation. There's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong is not seeing a particular person clearly after you've gotten to know them.

    Replies: @advancedatheist, @Marshal Marlow

    I’ve never quite understood the problem people have with stereotyping. It seems to be a very advantageous survival trait for those occasions when a person may not have enough information to make an informed decision within the available time.

    As you note, problems arise when a person continues to apply the stereotype to an individual when the person has sufficient information in respect of that individual. In that regard, I think your nation-state based examples are propagandistic stereotypes rather than instinctive stereotypes. The difference I think is that propaganda stereotypes are the stories we are told by vested interests, whereas instinctive stereotypes are things that have an instinctive survival value.

  30. @RoatanBill
    @advancedatheist

    I agree. I think the differences between groups of individuals boils down mostly to IQ. A higher IQ makes one curious about everything leading to wanting knowledge and producing people that actually know something worthwhile. The lower the IQ, the less curious and a population that's satisfied with using what's at hand without ever wanting to know how it works.

    Blacks excel at sports where IQ hardly matters and crime and violence where lack of IQ matters. Hispanics are laborers. They are very good at construction and the trades generally from my observation. The Asians are always the names on leading research papers along with a few white sounding names. The American Indian is generally useless along with the Australian aborigine; too tied up in their backwards culture and too dumb to compete, much like blacks.

    The exceptions really stand out though. There are quite a few fine black surgeons, for example. The Asian gangs are ruthless and extremely violent.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    The Asian gangs are ruthless and extremely violent.

    And non-existent.

    • Replies: @AlexanderVeliky
    @JohnPlywood

    Clearly you haven't heard of the Yakuza in Japan.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

  31. The only group on that list that stands out as being particularly civilised is Germans. Poles seem to be by far the most violent and disorderly of the white groups.

    I guess Irish in Britain would be a parallel, who in that era had much higher violent crimes rates than native British people.

  32. @JohnPlywood
    @RoatanBill


    The Asian gangs are ruthless and extremely violent.
     
    And non-existent.

    Replies: @AlexanderVeliky

    Clearly you haven’t heard of the Yakuza in Japan.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    @AlexanderVeliky

    Practically non-existent in the 21st century, never were violent by USA standards, mostly white collar crime.

    Unless you're referring to the Yakuza video game (and I think most of you have a vision of reality that is rooted in entertainment and hallucination).

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Autists Anonymous Rehab Camp Fugitive

  33. @AlexanderVeliky
    @JohnPlywood

    Clearly you haven't heard of the Yakuza in Japan.

    Replies: @JohnPlywood

    Practically non-existent in the 21st century, never were violent by USA standards, mostly white collar crime.

    Unless you’re referring to the Yakuza video game (and I think most of you have a vision of reality that is rooted in entertainment and hallucination).

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    @JohnPlywood


    https://youtu.be/7ebcsowtrU0

    , @Autists Anonymous Rehab Camp Fugitive
    @JohnPlywood

    Asian mafias in general are more nationalistic than ethnic mafias in western diasporas. The chinese mafia in taiwan has clear pro-CCP affiliations. The Yakuza has supported far-right nationalist parties for decades.
    I assume the more "nationalistic" mindset of eastern mafias makes them less dangerous to civilians. At least in terms of physical violence. Whereas a Sicilian Mafiosi in America, a Sacra Corona Unita member in North Italy, and a "Russian" Mafia member in Eastern Europe hold little ethnic commonality with their fellow citizen.

  34. The richest, best organized mafia gang in Saratov in the 1990’s was German. Only the Tatars came close.

  35. @JohnPlywood
    @AlexanderVeliky

    Practically non-existent in the 21st century, never were violent by USA standards, mostly white collar crime.

    Unless you're referring to the Yakuza video game (and I think most of you have a vision of reality that is rooted in entertainment and hallucination).

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Autists Anonymous Rehab Camp Fugitive

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  36. @Gerard.Gerard
    Jews were by far the main ethnicity in Russian world involved in gangsterism for much of the 1800s,particularly the last quarter of that century. Not just in (perfect for gangsterism) Odessa, but some of the other important cities. They must be much higher in murderers per capita than indicated here.

    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or "persecuted" ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions - not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

    Similar statistics from 1870 or 1860 would be more helpful.

    Replies: @Philip Owen, @The Spirit of Enoch Powell, @Yevardian, @TheTotallyAnonymous

    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or “persecuted” ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions – not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

    It’s important to outline here and debunk the claimed “anti-Jewish pogroms in 1905″/whatever of the Russian Empire.

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Pogroms.pdf

    It’s also amazing just how many times Jews have tried to screw over, terrorize and destroy Russia and ethnic Russians across the centuries.

    Jews sabotaging 12th century Kievan Rus:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Monomax_Jews.pdf

    Jews trying to infiltrate Novgorod and the Russian Orthodox Church in the 15th century:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jew_Heresy.pdf

    Russian Empire Commissions of Late 19th/Early 19th centuries into Jewish parasitism in West Russia against Russian peasants and other goyim:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Paul_Jews.pdf

    This doesn’t even include the infamous Communist Revolution, Civil War and 20th century (Also the many fierce wars and struggles of ancient Russians/Slavs against the Judaic/Jewish Khazarian Empire before 1000 AD). Given all the things they’ve tried and done, Jews are far too tolerated by Russians (all goyim, really) imo …

    • Replies: @Yevardian
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Looks like an exceptionally powerful Wally-tier post, but should be interesting reading anyway, I'll check it out.

    Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

  37. @TheTotallyAnonymous
    @Gerard.Gerard


    The data here must be dismissed as too late because most of the Jews involved in gangsterism or “persecuted” ( clear it was normal, inter-ethnic tensions – not state persecution) during the so-called pogroms had emigrated a long time before 1915 or just unable to continue banditry.

     

    It's important to outline here and debunk the claimed "anti-Jewish pogroms in 1905"/whatever of the Russian Empire.

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Pogroms.pdf

    It's also amazing just how many times Jews have tried to screw over, terrorize and destroy Russia and ethnic Russians across the centuries.

    Jews sabotaging 12th century Kievan Rus:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Monomax_Jews.pdf

    Jews trying to infiltrate Novgorod and the Russian Orthodox Church in the 15th century:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Jew_Heresy.pdf

    Russian Empire Commissions of Late 19th/Early 19th centuries into Jewish parasitism in West Russia against Russian peasants and other goyim:

    https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Paul_Jews.pdf

    This doesn't even include the infamous Communist Revolution, Civil War and 20th century (Also the many fierce wars and struggles of ancient Russians/Slavs against the Judaic/Jewish Khazarian Empire before 1000 AD). Given all the things they've tried and done, Jews are far too tolerated by Russians (all goyim, really) imo ...

    Replies: @Yevardian

    Looks like an exceptionally powerful Wally-tier post, but should be interesting reading anyway, I’ll check it out.

    • Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell
    @Yevardian

    There is a 9,900 word article on this website by Andrew Joyce on this topic by the way.

    Myth and the Russian Pogroms

  38. @utu
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Alcoholization is definitively a curse. Better jobs and better culture of drinking will change it.

    I am curious why Lit and Lat remain high. That Ukr is the highest I am not surprised. Est is comparable to Fin that can make sense. And that Slo is twice as high as Cze partially may explain why Czechs were relieved when Slovaks asked for a divorce. Ita is very low while Hun surprisingly high. Italians and Hungarians were quickest to draw a knife among the early 20th century immigrants in the US. Singapore is the lowest at 0.16/100k.

    Ukr(6.20)>Lit(4.57)>Lat(4.36)>Hun(2.50)>Bel(2.39)>Est(2.12)>Fin(1.63)>Slo(1.37)>Rom(1.28)>
    >UK(1.20)>Aus(0.97)>Ger(0.95)>Pol(0.73)>Spa(0.62)>Czech(0.6)=SKo(0.60)>Swi(0.59)=
    =Net(0.59)>Cro(0.58)>Ita(0.57)>>Nor(0.47)>Lux().30)>Jap(0.26)>Sin(0.16)

    Replies: @AP, @Shortsword

    And that Slo is twice as high as Cze partially may explain why Czechs were relieved when Slovaks asked for a divorce.

    From what I can find support for the dissolution of Czechoslovakia was basically the same in Czechia and Slovakia at around 35%.

  39. @Yevardian
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Looks like an exceptionally powerful Wally-tier post, but should be interesting reading anyway, I'll check it out.

    Replies: @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    There is a 9,900 word article on this website by Andrew Joyce on this topic by the way.

    Myth and the Russian Pogroms

  40. @utu
    Used data from Wiki on homicides rates in countries. Used Israel for Jews. For Mountain Caucasians set it to 3 which is close for North Caucasian Federal District, Ingushetia, Dagestan and for Russia took word for it.

    Pol 4 0.73
    Lit+Lat 3 4.5
    Rus 4 4
    Jew 2 1.36
    Mt. Cau 18 3
    Arm 14 1.69
    Geo 10 2.22
    Ger 1 0.95

    Correlation is 0.11.

    Without Mountain Caucasians correlation is -0.05.

    While the stereotypes may have lasting power they do not correlate with data over long time periods.

    Jews and German with low murder rates were least impacted by taking them out of Russia while Poles, Armenians and Georgian were the most impacted in positive way. And Lithuanians and Latvians seem to have not noticed they are no longer a part of Russia.

    Replies: @Anatoly Karlin, @Russian Unionist

    Did you add Ukraine and Belarus to the notional modern “Russian” number? Because Russians in this 1915 calendar include what are now know as Ukrainians and Belarusians as well.

  41. @JohnPlywood
    @AlexanderVeliky

    Practically non-existent in the 21st century, never were violent by USA standards, mostly white collar crime.

    Unless you're referring to the Yakuza video game (and I think most of you have a vision of reality that is rooted in entertainment and hallucination).

    Replies: @Blinky Bill, @Autists Anonymous Rehab Camp Fugitive

    Asian mafias in general are more nationalistic than ethnic mafias in western diasporas. The chinese mafia in taiwan has clear pro-CCP affiliations. The Yakuza has supported far-right nationalist parties for decades.
    I assume the more “nationalistic” mindset of eastern mafias makes them less dangerous to civilians. At least in terms of physical violence. Whereas a Sicilian Mafiosi in America, a Sacra Corona Unita member in North Italy, and a “Russian” Mafia member in Eastern Europe hold little ethnic commonality with their fellow citizen.

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