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The stream of articles suggesting that Russia is covering up its Corona numbers has increased from a stream to a veritable flood:

Let’s take a look at that last article, written by FT’s Henry Foy today, and one of the more balanced (read: less PDS-afflicted) journalists doing the Russia beat (not to mention the most prominent in the above sample, having scored an exclusive interview with Putin in 2019).

“The present number of patients with coronavirus will be hidden from us,” said Anastasia Vasilieva, chairman of Doctors’ Alliance, a Russian lobby group affiliated with opposition politician Alexei Navalny.

Now Foy, to his credit, at least has the journalistic integrity to acknowledge that this doctors’ group (which I have never heard of before now) is affiliated with Navalny, whose entire shtick is to oppose everything and anything the Kremlin does.

A political tilt that its chairwoman helpfully confirms:

“The value of human life for our president is nil . . . We don’t want to admit to any pandemic,” said Ms Vasilieva. “We know of hospitals that are completely full and nurses who are asked to sew face masks from gauze.”

***

But otherwise it follows the usual template on Russia COVID-19 coverage.

She claimed Moscow was instead classifying cases of the virus as pneumonia, the incidence of which increased by almost 40 per cent in January compared with a year previously, government data showed.

The aim here is to insinuate that there was a raging coronavirus epidemic camouflaged as the flu from as early as January 2020.

Oh Corona, where to start.

1. Flu mortality fluctuates wildly season to season by a factor of as high as 4x. So this is a perfectly meaningless fact from the outset.

2. Even China’s epidemic only broke 1,000 cases in January 25. Where were Russians getting infected??

3. If this was true, it is Russia, not Italy, that would be the center of the COVID-19 epidemic now – something that would certainly be noticed, e.g. in overflowing hospitals (no sign of that to date) or in exported cases (but that was all China in February, and predominantly Italy, Iran, and other EU nations now). It is Britons that Vietnam has started barring ten days ago, not Russians.

Here’s what I guess happened. People got agitated by reports from China, and were more likely to consult doctors, producing more flu diagnoses. Even though the actual chance of Russians having COVID-19 in January if they hadn’t been to Wuhan was on the order of a meteorite hitting them on the head.

While other foreign leaders have steeled their citizens for a long crisis and have spoken of a “war” against the pandemic, Mr Putin has played down the threat and urged citizens to remain calm in an effort to minimise panic — and ensure the nationwide ballot on April 22 takes place. …

“The virus is a challenge and comes at a very bad moment for him,” said Tatiana Stanovaya, founder of R. Politik, a political analyst. “Putin doesn’t want to postpone and is insisting that the referendum takes place as soon as possible . . . The longer they wait, the more risks will appear.”

LOL. Trump was saying Corona was fake news/nothingburger up until the end of February.

The US epidemic (22k cases) is about two orders of magnitude more advanced than Russia’s (306 cases), but most states have continued to hold primaries for the Dem nomination.

And in any case Putin has allowed the possibility that the April 22 Constitutional Referendum may be postponed. There’s no indication it’s a hard, immovable date.

At the same time, Mr Putin has sought to project an image of control, continuing with his diary of local visits and meetings with senior officials, shaking hands and never wearing a face mask.

Although it would be nice for Putin to set a better example, this is the rule, internationally – not the exception. Stressing this is so petty, LOL.

“No matter what happens in the next 35 days, they have to lie, hush up, and deny. It doesn’t matter at all what really will happen to coronavirus in Russia, whether there will be a moderate outbreak or tens of thousands are killed,” said Igor Pitsyn, a doctor in Yaroslavl, a city 250km north-east of Moscow.

“By Putin’s decree all information about this is declared a state secret until April 22 . . . This ‘nationwide vote’ will be held at all costs.”

First time I hear of this. Searching “путин коронавирус гостайна” doesn’t produce any relevant results. This doctor must have some very high placed sources.

Or perhaps Foy had to travel all the way to Yaroslavl to get a sufficiently juicy quote.

While officials have cited the low number as proof of the success of swiftly closing its border with China in January and steadily cutting flights to affected countries, experts have questioned how the country has proved far more immune than almost any other. … Neighbouring Belarus has five times more infections per capita than Russia, and France, which has roughly half Russia’s population, has more than 50 times the number of cases.

Russia doesn’t have large numbers of Gastarbeiters in the EU, unlike Belarus. Our Belorussian commenters also tell us that there are next to no control measures in place.

But Ukraine has perhaps 20x more Gastarbeiters in the EU than Belarus, and yet 2 days ago reported only 1/3 as many Corona cases (16 vs. 51). Which suggests where Western journalists covering Eastern Europe should really focus their attention.

If they, you know, cared about the Corona situation in Eastern Europe. As opposed to promoting the US line that Russia bad and China bad.

***

Incidentally, an update on Ukraine, two days after my alarm-raising article, in which I suggested that it’s likely there’s a big cluster developing undetected in Ukraine.

Even though testing in Ukraine remains extremely patchy – even in per capita terms, its ~500 tests are two orders of magnitude lower than Russia’s ~150k, or for that matter Belarus’ ~16k – the past two days have seen a surge of new cases from 16 to 41. The majority of those cases, some 25 of them, are concentrated in Chernivtsi oblast, which also saw the death of a 33 year old woman from existing problems magnified by the coronavirus.

The unlikelihood of such a mortality profile, coupled with the flood of new cases despite continued low testing rates, strongly suggests that this is just the tip of the iceberg, and that a cluster is developing in Chernivtsi oblast.

This suggestion is backed up by an observation by Twitter user from_kherson:

There’s a reason Chernivtsi has so many cases – large # of people go to Italy for work.

An acquaintance of mine from there confirmed his business partner just tested positive for the virus.

But just in case you think I am piling on to Ukraine because of my own political obsessions you would be mistaken.

I will say that after Ukraine, probably the second biggest undetected Corona timebomb in Europe may be Serbia. Unfortunately, the Wikipedia page on COVID-19 testing doesn’t have information for Serbia. However, one of my Serbian friends on Thursday wrote me that:

We are still testing around 50 per day, with 1/5 being positive…

So both the intensity of testing and the rate of positives is similar to Ukraine.

This Friday, he continued:

We still have competent health care workers (the decision not to test the wider population is purely political, as was the decision no to close schools until 5 days ago), relatively functioning health care system, about 1500 respirators on a population that is 7+ million.

On the other hand, we have the second lowest reported total test volume anywhere in the world, after Malorossiya :), at 545 total as of this morning, one of the highest positive rates per 1000 tests (after Italy, Spain, Ecuador and the Philippines). We have seen an influx of over 250 000 gastarbeiters from Western Europe in the past 10 days… Many people are breaking the 14 day mandatory self isolation. When I say many, I’m talking about thousands every day…

We have 3 things potentially on our side. God, warmth, and Sun. Or it’s all just God? 🙂

And to think that Serbia was one of the first countries in the world to eradicate smallpox in the 1830s… Under the lifelong illiterate knyaz Miloš…

The large number of Gastarbeiters in Western Europe, most of whom are now going to be let go, is another similarity that Serbia shares with Ukraine. And is something that will be a very problematic issue going forwards.

Fortunately, it appears that China (and Russia) are going to bail Serbia out with test kits.

Despite their rather different geopolitical viewpoints, European attitudes to both Serbia and the Ukraine are quite similar. They are to be exploited to the extent they are useful; otherwise discarded as needed. It’s a lesson they should mull over.

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  2. Jatt Arya says:

    We’re not racist bro we just happen to hate all the R1A peoples.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  3. iffen says:

    Western Journalists Really Want There to be a Huge Corona Epidemic in Russia

    Well, duh.

    Only in 2nd place behind blaming Trump.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @216
  4. Subhumans are violating the 8pm curfew in order to walk their dog and are claiming to have Corona in order to jump the queue at hospitals, and here I am desperately trying to convince my older relatives to stay put

    Doctors and equipment started arriving from China today and the President has done an excellent jobs sucking up to Beijing and Moscow, here’s hoping we can avoid a disaster
    No mass panic buying so far, tp can still be easily acquired, though that might change soon

    • Replies: @AP
    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
  5. 216 says: • Website
    @iffen

    blaming Trump supporters

    We’re not far off from Culture Industry mandarins blaming The Bigots (TM) as the real cause of the virus. If YT had just let in more heroic immigrant doctors, and didnt’ stigmatize immigrants from getting treatment.

    China has already accused the US for creating the virus as a bioweapon, and I won’t be surprised if the online left starts a modicum of tolerance for this idea akin to the mild acceptability of “Bush did 9/11” in the run up to the 2006 midterms.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
    , @yakushimaru
  6. Veterans Today is a site also involving Russian military figures, such as Col. Eugene Khrushchev

    They publish some radical truth, along with wild stuff as a self-discrediting ‘safety screen’ so US gov doesn’t close them down, i.e. you have to decide what’s true … Their striking take on the pandemic:

    [MORE]

    Covid 19 high death rate countries are where chemical weapons – sarin gas attacks – mimic coronavirus

    Defense experts see targeted bio-war on China, Italy, Spain, Iran and regions of the US, so New York an epicentre

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/03/21/russia-us-army-israel-using-low-dose-sarin-gas-to-supplement-cv19-deaths/

  7. Epigon says:

    1. Tests are low in count because testing randomly is pointless: positives are produced for people who suffer no illness, recovered from it, etc.

    2. Arrivals are put in quarantine/isolation, though quite a few are arrogant diaspora subhumans who do not follow the instructions. In addition, people have not been taking it seriously, especially the 65+ segment most endangered by it.

    3. Everyone showing any of the symptoms is tested to separate COVID-19 from other respiratory patients

    4. Military got involved to drive the point home: the necessity of following rules, taking it seriously and to prevent unrest at clinics and hospitals, as well as groceries and pharmacies.

    5. The government is using it nicely, IMO. Euroatlanticists and homoglobalists immediately started screeching about fascist dictatorship, ridiculing AR armed and bulletproof vest wearing soldiers and Gendarmes in the street. One Croat subhuman (Pančić) literally compared Serbia to Hitler while praising British response – the catch is that Britain applied severe restrictions on the next day.
    In addition, the smug diasporafags who were busy taking a dump on Serbia fled their paradises or were fired and returned in droves, so the government kinda incited people against them. I am enjoying the Friendship of Steel Serbia has developed with China, as well as immediate Russian response. Norway and EU sent cash and medical equipment immediately afterwards, but it is too late.

    • Agree: Korenchkin
    • Thanks: Denis
  8. Also, I’d advise Karlin to stay away from these types of “experts”

    Remember, the imminent betrayal of Kosovo by vucic has been going on for 8 fucking years

    More simple examples,
    Number of Kosovo recognitions continues to drop from year to year (IE countries are withdrawing their recognitions in exchange for bribes and cheap Zastava AKs)
    Number of Serbo-Russian military drills before Vucic came to power: zero
    Under Vucic the Brussels agreement which was the framework for our surrender of Kosovo in exchange for EU membership has been completely torpedoed and in fact a wedge has been driven between Americans and the Kosovo Albanians over the tarrifs
    Theres also the EEU trade deal and Russian gas pipelines
    A healthy Russophile community is being generated out of a former cesspit of opportunist subhumans

    Yes the gay PM thing is cucked, but it’s important to look at the bigger picture
    I am really tired of 300IQ patriotards and EU shills crying about how Vucic is a fake russophile even as he’s learning Russian and importing Russian tanks, helicopters and AA systems
    It’s not just weapons either, you can find Russian movies like the recent T-34 in Serbian cinemas, something not seen even in Socialist Yugoslavia days

  9. Dmitry says:

    Why are you sensitive about what some article said in an American newspaper about Russia? Who cares? Half of articles in Russian websites are often ten times more stupid than even articles in American websites (which are already stupid), and people in America don’t care about that.

    Also, I read only CNN’s article on the topic, and I notice it follows the pattern that CNN report more accurately outside America, than they do in America. I.e. They are more objective (like most people) writing about things which are far away from them
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/21/europe/putin-coronavirus-russia-intl/index.html

    • Replies: @JL
    , @Ms Karlin-Gerard
  10. Jatt Arya says:
    @216

    White American victim complex is really cringe.

    Why are you crying now after acting like degen simps for well on half-a-century?

  11. Business Insider: Doctors in Russia are accusing the government of covering up its coronavirus outbreak and denying them protective equipment

    I have to say that on reddit this kind of conspiratorial crap gets a LOT of interest and upvotes, an order of magnitude more upvotes than the factual Russian news. It seems that a large chunk of Western public feels better about themselves and their situation, “knowing” that there is terrible epidemic going on in Russia.

    So these articles are actually having therapeutic effect on Western societies: ordinary people in West take comfort in [imaginary] Russian suffering.

    • Agree: Aedib
    • Replies: @216
    , @Pericles
  12. Dmitry says:

    Serbia and Ukraine should have less developed epidemic of coronavirus, compared to most European countries, as they are one of the minority of European countries which is not in the EU.

    As a result, they should have less per capita connectivity to Northern Italy, that is the “staging point” for the coronavirus epidemic’s invasion into Europe.

    Well, perhaps I am wrong about Serbia, as it is a neighbouring country to Italy. But the EU has a very intense labour mobility and incredibly amount of flights between themselves, if we would look at flightradar on a normal week.

    Of course, now flightradar is pretty crazy and not quite representative of last month. https://www.flightradar24.com/59.77,29.75/8

    But EU is still covered by flights. While planes are generally avoiding Serbia and Ukraine. Russia is almost disconnected from Europe now by planes (except for cargo planes). However, even in normal, pre-Coronavirus times, Russia (as well as Ukraine) is far more disconnected than any EU country, and is never blanketed by flights on flightradar in the same way as Europe.

    Perhaps Serbia still receives a lot of entry by people in buses and cars.

  13. 216 says: • Website
    @Jatt Arya

    victim complex

    I dunno

    It’s better than your victim blaming though…

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
  14. @216

    China has already accused the US for creating the virus as a bioweapon

    No, China hasn’t. At the moment, some crazy tweets are simply reacting to Tom Cotton’s crazy idea in the early Feb that it is from Chinese weapon labs. At the moment when situation in China is most dire. I read Unz.com and I don’t mind Unz and AK and commentators talking about Wuhan bio lab, but for a US senator to do that, that is shameful.

    That being said, I do hope Chinese foreign ministry do not let out these crazy tweets. Even though it’s on their personal accounts.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  15. 216 says: • Website
    @Felix Keverich

    The mainstream “subs” of Reddit are among the most intensely policed and self-policed sections of social media. The structure of the site encourages dog piling on contrary opinions.

    Interestingly, its one of the few social platforms that is actually predominantly of a male userbase.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  16. Cyrano says:

    I might be naïve, but I think I know why there are so few Corona cases in Russia. I think that the reason is because the virus has extreme dislike for non-democracies. After all, we are talking about the 21st century virus, who has seen the world, not some backward 14 century stupid European plague virus.

    This virus knows that it will receive better treatment by the “democracies” – that’s why it’s headed their way. I mean look at the treatment it got in China. Is that a way to treat a modern virus? It was totally disrespectful and brutal.

    I don’t blame the virus for wanting to migrate to the west, if I was a virus – I would have similar urges. I think that the virus should definitely expect a better treatment in the west – they probably have already set up a multicultural milieu so the poor virus won’t feel isolated, but rather establish instant camaraderie with the other multicultural viruses in the west.

    • Agree: mal
    • Replies: @UK
  17. @216

    These are “advanced” individuals, the best and brightest Western civilization has to offer. 😂

    I suppose someone who doesn’t follow news and isn’t interested in politics will have no reason to hate on Russia, but they are not really part of the public, if that is the case.

    • Replies: @216
  18. Aedib says:

    Wishing the virus to hit hard Russia is a way Westerners try to cover their incompetence. There is an explosion of new cases in the USA but the American MSM keeps its Russophobe obsession.

    Today new cases in USA reached the numbers of Italy

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  19. 216 says: • Website
    @Felix Keverich

    A lot of people follow trival pursuits like Sports and Celebrity gossip. Probably a couple orders of magnitude higher than those that follow politics.

    In sports, the only Russians around are some NHL players, idk if they are ever asked about political opinions. The NHL has really gone deep on the Woke bandwagon, as they can’t manage enough non-white players despite having the most diversity among nationality.

    Most of Hollywood has been left wing going back to the 1960s realignment, the industry has never in any sense been conservative, but there were historical labor tensions. Prior to the mass immigration from Mexico, the Los Angeles region attracted fewer “white ethnics aka Catholics” which in that era favored the Democrats.

    The leftism of pop culture grants the Democrats a tremendous boost in every election, but at the cost of a youth base which has poor turnout. If the US had mandatory voting the GOP would be dead.

    Some of the larger Reddit communities are about things like science and gaming. Neither is wildly popular among women, and women involved are often accused of cynical interest to attract male attention.

    While the “legacy of gamergate” is still being written, the movement had a stunning backfire where gaming has been wokewashed and no “culturally conservative” studio has entered the business, instead people play some games designed in East Europe where Woke is still thawing out.

  20. If situation is bad in Ukraine it will be even worse in DNR/LNR. It got there, and what technical & experiential inferiority Ukraine has to Russia, Donbass has the equivalent of it to Ukraine. Imo this will spell demographic end of DNR/LNR, already everyone but pensioners was trying to leave to Russia. After the virus is done I suspect mercenaries and volunteers and geberal arned forces will be perhaos a whole tenth of the population. I think Ossetia and Abkhazia just might avoid such a fate thanks to mountains and being 10x more irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  21. @yakushimaru

    I am looking forward to see if this is the first war triggered by accusations of bioweaponry.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  22. @Belarusian Dude

    Unfortunately you are likely correct about the LDNR.

    Ossetia and Abkhazia are also both much younger. Donbass must have one of the highest median ages in the entire post-USSR.

  23. @Daniel Chieh

    I think it’s unlikely to escalate to that level. More serious worries are about the economy. If it tanks.

    My worst scenario is that the economy tanks. And Taiwan takes on the opportunity to officially seek independence and being recognized by Europe and US out of despise of China because of COVID19, and remember, the assumption is that the economy crashed. At which point, China, Taiwan included, would be pretty much cornered and, some slippery and risky thinking in the minds of the leadership will sink China.

    As long as China’s economy can come back to life, I think all will be fine. But it’s far from certain at this point. If COVID19 hasn’t spread into the world at this point, or COVID19 turns out to be minor in two or three weeks, then China’s economy is sure to recover, but much is uncertain and the odds does not look good.

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  24. Putin is acting with restraint, in order to protect shaky, Russian toilet paper stores.

  25. Russia good, China bad.

    This will, in time, be the western mantra, or near enough.

    Russia will play the Yugoslavia role of cold war Europe, but in the US-China confrontation. This crisis, while not entirely China’s fault, will be not unjustly blamed on the filthy, slant eyed (not that there’s anything wrong with that) bat-eaters. The great bifurcation will be accelerated, my labor market position strengthened, western extreme liberalism discredited, and Russophobia discarded as a too-costly obsession.

    If the west “gives” Russia some things which can’t be easily taken back, Russia can be gradually wooed. I think it happens, the west has no choice.

  26. They’re desperate to be able to say so-called “authoritarian” governments can’t manage a crisis like this. All the evidence, of course, is directly to the contrary.

  27. utu says:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/483744-russia-doctor-coronavirus-holiday/
    A leading infectious diseases specialist in Russia’s southern Stavropol region endangered the lives of dozens of her colleagues and students by failing to self-quarantine after a holiday in Spain, where she contracted coronavirus.”

    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
  28. I think some Western journalists also want to see a second wave in China/Asia.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  29. JimDandy says:

    Just read the headline and thought, “Western journalists really want there to be a huge corona epidemic in America.”

    We all remember Bill Maher, to his credit, admitting to wanting what so many Progressives pray for–a brutal recession that would sink Tump’s chances of reelection–but I am continually astounded by the fact that the MSM’s hysterical, cult-like fervor for destroying Trump, even to the tragic detriment of the American people, simply will not exhaust itself. It is, if you will, a virus that keeps mutating into more and more virulent strains.

    I think American-journalist-as-suicide-bomber is the number one potential threat to the United States, and preventing this should be the FBI’s number one priority. Thx.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  30. no, western journalists really want there to be a huge corona epidemic in America. and so do you. for different reasons of course.

    but you guys aren’t going to get one. you’re going to get a month of overreaction the likes of which the world has never seen, then when the bodies don’t start piling up in the streets, the western journalists will move on to why Biden is the inevitable President and Trump should just give up, while Karlin will shrug and admit that he didn’t get the armageddon which would have been cooler than a few thousand viral pneumonia deaths.

  31. Dumbo says:

    I think journalists, and also people, really want there to be a big corona epidemic everywhere. I think it plays into the dark suicide desires of Western people, common since at least one century. Think about it, why do zombie movies and horror movies about apocalyptic times are so popular? There is in a large part of the Western population a desire for death, for The End. The Final Judgement.

  32. Antiwar7 says:

    [MORE]

    Anatoly Karlin, is this a typo?

    They are to be exploited to the extent they are useless; otherwise discarded as needed.

    Shouldn’t that be: to the extent that they are useful?

    AK: thx

  33. Alfa158 says:
    @yakushimaru

    The Chinese economy has at least one good thing going for it. They are the world’s manufacturing floor. Ultimately they can still make things unlike the US which has hollowed itself out. Refilling the world supply chain gives them an advantage in recovering faster than the US will.

    • Replies: @Kim
  34. Kim says:
    @prime noticer

    Absolutely this. Meanwhile, the usual suspects will have swallowed – undisclosed by the media – at least ten trillion in more free money.

  35. Kim says:
    @Alfa158

    To make things they first have to buy basic materials, on credit, paying with US dollars. Will their credit still be good? Who will they be selling to? Is their customer’s credit good?

    • Replies: @Alfa158
  36. JL says:
    @Dmitry

    Don’t be silly, there are entire organizations in the West dedicated to fact checking Russian news agencies and publishing their mistakes. So Anatoly’s counterparts in the West do seem to care, they seem to care very much. Furthermore, there is the asymmetry between the geopolitical power of the two countries which makes what Americans write about Russia much more important than the inverse.

    AK has been covering this topic for years, so it may not be interesting to you, but it is to him. And we come here, partly, because he writes about what he wants to, not what others want him to. You, yourself, pointed this out.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Dmitry
  37. Pericles says:
    @Felix Keverich

    I don’t follow the media reeing in this case, but even for a non-hostile outsider it is a bit odd that big, shambolic, somewhat secretive Russia has basically avoided COVID-19 when everyone else has got it. Then again, perhaps the Western blockade has turned out to be a good thing?

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  38. Pericles says:
    @last straw

    I think some Western journalists also want to see a second wave in China/Asia.

    More likely there will be a second wave in Globohome Clownworld, of course, because that’s who we are. But to be realistic, we should probably expect second waves wherever we have Corona-chan.

  39. @Epigon

    Unfortunately, you are right about some of the diaspora subhuman retard Serbs. I have issues with some of those people in my surroundings right now even halfway around the globe. No Serbs are going to be coming from Australia though, since it’s just too far and flights are completely blocked off by now (Same for USA and all other Anglosphere, besides UK maybe?). You won’t have to worry about that (Although diaspora return is good in long term for Serbia despite current difficulties).

    I’ve read that the situation in Republika Srpska isn’t much better either. Arguably slightly even worse than in Serbia also with subhuman retards from diaspora, since Srpska did quarantines and curfews later.

    Honestly though, this whole crisis has boosted my Sinophilia to the power of at least one thousand (^1000). The Chinese are showing an unprecedented amount of humanity, morality and basic decency by giving medical aid to more than half the world in genuinely useful forms despite almost everyone shitting on them by calling this a “Chinese virus” and other garbage. One could argue they’re even being naive cucks for doing so since many in the world will probably just continue to spit on China with the usual bullshit after this crisis. It’s why I think sincere gratefulness to China should be mandatory after all this given how much they sacrificed to crush the virus in their own country and then help the world. Of course, good relations between Russia and China are important for Serbia (likely to continue for long while in future), but if needed, siding with China over Russia should seriously be considered if it ever comes to something like that (at least more absorption into Chinese sphere of influence).

    Otherwise, I hope diaspora Serbs worth anything like me and Denis are doing well in their personal surroundings and faring well with both non-Serbs and worthless retards/subhumans in our diaspora.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
    , @AP
  40. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    but if needed, siding with China over Russia should seriously be considered if it ever comes to something like that

    No

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  41. Croatia has just been hit by an earthquake (around 5.4 magnitude?) in the middle of coronavirus …

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200322-magnitude-5-3-earthquake-strikes-croatia-damaging-buildings

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/croatia-zagreb-rocked-powerful-earthquake-200322080421838.html

    https://www.croatiaweek.com/croatia-mobilising-army-to-help-quake-hit-zagreb/

    Zagreb:

    It may be too early to say yet, but it’s looking like god is punishing Croats for making the Independent State of Croatia from 1941-1945, Janesovac concentration camp, death camps for Serb children and babies, turning Serbs into soap (something that really happened to Serbs, not Jews, since Serbs are real WW2 Holocaust victims), Vukovar in 1991, and Operations Flash and Storm in 1995 along with all the other horrific crimes and atrocities Croats have committed against Serbs on an extremely large scale in the past…

    Unfortunately Croat Ustashe dogs like Niccolo Salo and Bardon Kaldian probably live along the stolen ancient Serb Dalmatian-Adriatic coats that are infested with Ustashe like them, although hopefully one of them lives in Zagreb and got liquidated or harmed in some way by this …

    • Replies: @Niccolo Salo
  42. @Korenchkin

    Of course, the scenario that China and Russia become extremely hostile with each other in the near future (possibly even distant future) is extremely unlikely (and they hopefully won’t), although if it came to that, siding with China is an option that should at least seriously be considered.

    At least, I don’t understand why not?

  43. I find it bizarre how Britain has become the focus of much media coverage concerning Coronavirus, despite the fact that the number of infections in Britain isn’t particularly high relatively speaking in both actual terms and per capita terms.

    It’s as if the media elites are so obsessed with Brexit that they’re using Coronavirus as a means of subtly keeping the Brexit debate going even during this time, if you support the British response then you’re pro-Brexit, anti-EU. If you support the EU response then you’re anti-Brexit, pro-EU. That seems to be what the media is saying. They hate Britain so much for voting Brexit that the mainstream media continues to look for ways to berate Britain even during a time when all normal media coverage has been suspended.

  44. @Pericles

    Not “everyone” has it. It’s mainly US, Western Europe and Iran at this point. And it is easy to see why: can’t contain a pandemic, if you’re devoted to open borders. Not sure about Iran though.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Aedib
  45. @Europe Europa

    Vietnam has closed its borders to travelers from the UK, because apparently 40% of their corona cases were imported from the UK!

    The situation seems very bad in the UK. If anything, it’s underreported.

  46. Realist says:

    Western Journalists Really Want There to be a Huge Corona Epidemic in Russia

    Correction: The Deep State Really Want There to be a Huge Corona Epidemic in Russia and China.

  47. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Same mistake as WW1, antagonizing (relatively) close neighbour and good ally in favor of a distant patron, except this time with nuclear warheads
    In this scenario it is best to stay neutral, in fact we ought to offer the peace negotiations take place in Belgrade

  48. @Felix Keverich

    Are these actually British people though, or Vietnamese immigrants with British passports who mix within the general Far Eastern immigrant population of Britain?

    So many different sorts of people hold British citizenship who have no ancestral connection with Britain that it really is meaningless to speak of “British citizens”. 90% of the time the term “Russian citizen” means “Russian Slav”, whereas the percentage of times where “British citizen” means “native British” is far less.

  49. Beckow says:

    Western media openly wishing that a plague strikes Russia is very low class. It has a minor therapeutic role for the West to show that the evil ones are also suffering. But it is basically a continuing descent into hysteria. Next we will hear that Putin was spotted poisoning wells in Italy. (Sneaky bastard, probably used a face-mask, he is after all a trained KGB spy.)

    Regarding facts: it is a truism that all numbers are understated. There must be at this point millions of people around the world who have been exposed and most will never know about it. Corona hurts the old and the sick, most other people probably wouldn’t know it was happening without the media. In a preventive way it might actually benefit young, healthy people to be exposed when their bodies can develop immunity – you don’t in general get the same virus twice.

    But a decision was made to protect our elders and it is a humane thing to do. And the usual suspects can’t avoid their low class ideological manias, attacking China, Russia and/or Trump. These days they mostly work in the Western media. One wonders how that happened.

  50. @Korenchkin

    Even though I pressed agree, I still think the circumstances around WW1 where a bit different.

    Despite the freemason 1903 coup, Austria-Hungary and the Habsburgs were still pathologically hostile to Serbs, screwing them decades before 1903, Kingdom of Hungary had plans to Magyarize all non-Magyars by 1920’s/1930’s and etc …

    It’s a point I may debate again some other time (with serious sources), but I think that clash was not entirely the fault of the “freemason scum” as Epigon would call them, but instead much more so Hasburg/Austro-Hungarian and may have happened anyway even with an Obrenovic Serbia sometime later on.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  51. LondonBob says:
    @Aedib

    That Russia proves, like China, to be more competent again is another nail in the coffin for the ruling sixties liberal ideology.

    • Agree: Realist
  52. @Dmitry

    Perhaps Serbia still receives a lot of entry by people in buses and cars.

    Yes, there are quite a few especially from Hungary, but Serbia has blocked almost all land borders by now, and the few open ones are directly under military control.

    Republika Srpska (a 2nd Serb proto-state in Bosnia) is much more dependent on land transport, but I think they too have closed most of their land borders by now.

  53. LondonBob says:
    @Europe Europa

    All part of the coronavirus being used as a tool to attack Brexit, Trump, for some Russia, the US State Department China or Karlin Ukraine.

    • Replies: @Realist
  54. LondonBob says:
    @Felix Keverich

    There isn’t much of a situation here, I certainly see a lot of Americans regurgitating lefty twitter stuff though. Spain and Italy are Europe’s superspreaders but I guess lefties are in power and feminist marches can’t be criticised.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  55. @prime noticer

    What if–as seems to be happening in Italy–the journalists simply pretend that bodies are piling up, perhaps by attributing other deaths to Corona?

    Beware: whenever these people decide on a narrative, they are loath to back down once they are proven wrong. They don’t want to lose face.

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/19/iss-report-99-of-covid19-deaths-already-ill/

    #CoronaHoax

  56. @utu

    This was actually going to be the subject of my next post. She is the chief infectious disease doctor for Stavropol!

    She went to Madrid , from March 6th- March 9th- the exact period when cases in Spain started ballooning up (420 went to 1200)

    She has infected 11 other people, at least, in Stavropol and also taken part in a conference there where about 1000 people attended.

    I don’t know if it was definitely a holiday – sure, those are weekend dates and Madrid is a wonderful place but infections there then still exceeded
    the number in Russia now.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Pericles
  57. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Habsburgs were destined to decline while Russia was trying to undertake important reforms, reckless actions by idealistic youths ignited the arsenal at an un-opportune moment
    Even after victory we were clumsy with the post war order of the “Srpski Mir” which resulted in several disasters decades later
    As there is now a chance to correct the mistakes of the past we must ensure that we do not act rashly, we’re a hotheaded people by nature and we can’t allow that to sabotage our longterm goals

    Pondering the what ifs of history is a good way to drive ourselves mad, these days I’m much more interested in looking towards to future and figuring out how to further course correct our society

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  58. WHAT says:

    What else to even expect from anglo scum?
    But not to worry, when they get the actual chinese biowar virus, we will have lots of fun here.
    Hopefully “journalists” suffer the most.
    ^_^

  59. @Korenchkin

    As there is now a chance to correct the mistakes of the past we must ensure that we do not act rashly, we’re a hotheaded people by nature and we can’t allow that to sabotage our longterm goals

    Absolutely. I couldn’t possibly agree more with this.

  60. This weaponizing of random indignation is a classic tool of the Western propaganda. In Romania, we heard for a decade how the national-populists masquerading as socialists are to blame for the lack of highways. It’s been a few years since idiot Romanians gather in random cities to complain that their city is not yet hooked to the Austro-Hungarian highway system, despite the lack of traffic between their city and Austro-Hungary.

    It is my understanding that, once highway construction will start, there will be protests about natural or archeological treasures presumably endangered by the construction. It has been decently working in Russia, with that Khimki forest.

    Anything that can be thrown at a government threatening to leave the NWO will be used. It’s even worse for governments that are already one foot out, like Russia / China, or completely out, like Iran / North Korea. Putin will be blamed for epidemics, earthquakes, tsunamis, and even eclipses. If an earthquake would kill only a few, we will hear about “failure to respond”. If the earthquake doesn’t kill anybody. we will be told that Putin exploited it for propaganda.

    One of the ways that CIA and Soros use, in order to weaponize Romania’s presumed lack of highways, is to pay some useful idiots, who call themselves “The Association for the Betterment of Highways”, “The Pro-Infrastructura Brigade”, and so on. Most of these NGOs consist of a single person, who posts videos of them ranting next to a construction site. Using the model that BoJo used for the upcoming marriage (three men and one dog), the more Soros/CIA-resistant types call them “The One-Incel-And-His-Drone Association”.

    By that same standard, I suspect we call this Doctors’ Alliance “Vasilievna-and-her-thermometer Association”. Whatever she says about Moscow hospitals is probably informed by her thermometer anyway. I doubt you can tell how things are in a 10-million city, especially if you are a marginal clown.

    Is she an ophthalmologist, like The Part-Time Virologist Martyr of Wuhan? Dentist, perhaps?

    • LOL: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Dacian Julien Soros
  61. AP says:
    @Korenchkin

    Subhumans are violating the 8pm curfew in order to walk their dog

    Is this really dangerous, as long as you avoid others (cross the street when passing someone?). I walk my dog a lot during our shutdown. By my sidewalks aren’t crowded.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  62. AP says:
    @TheTotallyAnonymous

    The Chinese are showing an unprecedented amount of humanity, morality and basic decency by giving medical aid to more than half the world in genuinely useful forms despite almost everyone shitting on them by calling this a “Chinese virus” and other garbage.

    It’s the least they can do, given that this is their fuckup.

    And the virus in Europe is also mostly China’s fault, it stems from Chinese settlers in northern Italy.

    Here is an article about them in the New York Times. Written soon before the onset of the plague. It would not be written now – there’s too obvious a connection between open borders, multiculturalism, and death:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/business/italy-china-far-right.html

    As Prato’s factories went dark, people began arriving from China to exploit an opportunity.

    Most were from Wenzhou, a coastal city famed for its entrepreneurial spirit. They took over failed workshops and built new factories. They imported fabric from China, sewing it into clothing. They cannily imitated the styles of Italian fashion brands, while affixing a valuable label to their creations — “Made in Italy.”

    Chinese groceries and restaurants have emerged to serve the local population. On the outskirts of the city, Chinese-owned warehouses overflow with racks of clothing destined for street markets in Florence and Paris.

    Among Italian textile workers who have veered to the right, the arrival of the Chinese tends to get lumped together with African migration as an indignity that has turned Prato into a city they no longer recognize.

    “I don’t think it’s fair that they come to take jobs away from Italians,” says Ms. Travaglini, the laid-off textile worker. She claims that Chinese companies don’t pay taxes and violate wage laws, reducing pay for everyone.

    Since losing her job at a textile factory nearly three years ago, Ms. Travaglini has survived by fixing clothes for people in her neighborhood. “There are no jobs, not even for young people,” she says.

    Chinese-owned factories have jobs, she acknowledges, but she will not apply. “That’s all Chinese people,” she says, with evident distaste. “I don’t feel at ease.”

    :::::::::::

    Lots of Ukrainians there also. They don’t bring such a virus to Italy, but they bring the virus back to Ukraine.

    ::::::::::

    So nice PR move after killing lots of European old people. One of the sacrificed in Milan to this virus, Vittorio Gregotti, was an architect who helped build the city. Killed by the Chinese virus. A symbol of native Italy replaced by migration.

    • Disagree: Denis
    • Thanks: Z-man
  63. @prime noticer

    Indeed, one problem if Corona-chan is contained is that various asshats will gloat and second guess the severity of the response.

    But that’s quite minor, and a price worth paying.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  64. Tor597 says:
    @Europe Europa

    Why wouldn’t the focus be on UK?

    No one else botched the virus as badly as the UK did. They are not testing, so their numbers can’t be trusted.

    Their herd immunity plan and lack of action led to the virus spiraling out of control there and the rest of the world.

    • LOL: LondonBob
  65. Mikhail says: • Website
    @Korenchkin

    No surprise that some US foreign policy elites spin it another way:

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/beware-pandemic-america-135672

    Note to China and Russia: despite appearances, the time of coronavirus may not be an opportune time for you to chisel away at America’s global standing.

  66. @AP

    No exceptions, people see that someone is freely violating it and they feel emboldened to do the same
    Yes it’s autistic, but I do not want people to play with fire when my older family members are very exposed to the virus due to their professions

    • Replies: @AP
  67. @Felix Keverich

    My guess is that they were just unlucky enough to get a “super spreader” or two amongst their elites getting infected early on.

    There’s a large element of chance in the early stages of a pandemic. E.g., Germany and the UK both have a higher intensity of air traffic with China than does Italy. But they’re 10 days to a week behind Italy.

    • Replies: @Felix Keverich
  68. @Anatoly Karlin

    Собаки лают, караван идет

  69. utu says:
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Obviously a stupid and selfish cow. She is lucky she is not in Ukraine. AK would devote a special post to her.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  70. Alfa158 says:
    @Kim

    The Chinese have internal natural resources and have been vigorously working world wide to obtain rights to, develop, and extract mineral and energy resources in order to keep production going. See the documentary Empire of Dust about Chinese getting the rights to African resources and developing the infrastructure to extract them. Also following the supposed “war for oil” in Iraq the oil contracts went almost entirely to China. China has a lot of the mines for the rare earths needed in modern technological products. The largest single mine used to be in California. A Chinese company bought and re-opened it.
    In effect they already own or have contracts for what they need and are much less leveraged than we are.
    As to whether their customers can continue to pay for it, that is a different kettle of fish. The rest of us have been running up our credit card with them. We have been paying it off by selling off our countries piece by piece through Chinese purchases of real estate, businesses, port facilities etc. As China has grown economically they have been developing their internal market to reduce dependence on Wal-Mart so that might reduce the impact of poorer foreign markets.
    In any event they own a huge infrastructure in plants tooling and human expertise for making things. Our leaders have deliberately hollowed ours out for profits and cheaper consumer goods.

  71. @LondonBob

    There seems to be a concerted effort in the international media to blame Britian for the coronavirus outbreak in Europe despite the fact Britain has among the lowest rates, especially per capita. As you rightly say it’s Spain and Italy that are the epicentre of the outbreak in Europe and likely responsible for spreading it elsewhere in Europe, considering how many people from those countries work in Northern Europe.

    It just goes to show how anti-British much of mainland Europe is, they are always looking for ways to blame the British for everything wrong in their countries, no matter how tenuously. I find it very strange how China, the origin of the outbreak, seems to have been let completely off the hook and it’s now Britain that everyone is trying to blame. Just goes to show how pervasive Anglophobia is in the world.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
    , @LondonBob
  72. @Epigon

    FWIW – a Serb nationalist (lives in Serbia, not diaspora) in a group chat I’m in writes the following in response to this (no, he’s not Gajic).

    ***

    1. This is so stupid that it’s below commenting. The only way to stop this pandemic is to do mass testing, as proved by China, South Korea, and recommended by the WHO on countless occasions.
    2. People are generally taking thing VERY seriously, despite being bombarded by the “funniest virus in history” misinformation only two weeks ago, by non other than Vucic himself and his doctor stooges. Belgrade is almost deserted by day, and I haven’t seen anyone older than 65 in the streets for a few days now.
    3. Not true. Until yesterday, the official policy was to test only cases displaying pneumonia, and those in contact with confirmed cases. That was amended to include all cases displaying respiratory symptoms, but in practice, nothing has yet changed, as they are still doing less than a hundred tests a day.
    4. Military got involved with no apparent reason, except to make our wannabe dictator look even more silly and grotesque.
    5. The government (ie Vucic, there is no real government but him) broke the constitution on several occasions in the past two weeks. First by essentially disbanding the Parliament with an executive act (the one forbidding the gatherings of 100+ people), and then by introducing martial law outside of the National Assembly, and with no proper cause (Serbian constitution clearly denotes a different set of measures in case of a national epidemic or pandemic).
    6. The thing that goes unnoticed among all these pathetic appeals for “centuries old” friendship between Serbia and China, is the total absence of Russian support in Serbian MSM, especially in Vucic’s rhetoric. I don’t think he publicly mentioned Russia in the past two weeks. It is more likely that his Chinese maneuver is just a smokescreen for his further alienation from Russia.

    Also, the imminent betrayal of Kosovo that has been happening for the past 8 years (no irony here from my part) consists of many small steps and increments that these Vucic fucktards just seem to ignore. Serbian institutions have practically ceased to exist in the north of the province during this time. There are many examples that I’m too tired to list now

    The number of Kosovo recognitions dropping has very little to do with Serbian diplomacy, and a lot more to do with Russian.
    Also, an interesting fact: Vucic NEVER seems to brag when a new country “unrecognizes” Kosovo. In fact, he sometimes looks very pissed when it happens. The man who goes around opening sock factories and traffic lights doesn’t use the opportunity to meaningfully boost his patriotic image. Strange, right? Well, not really, if you know Vucic.

  73. Tor597 says:

    Actually, Trump was downplaying Corona Virus as late as March 9th.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237027356314869761

    One thing I think played a role that is not mentioned is Trumps business that he owns. He owns hotels and casinos which will be devastated. Trump wont rule out government assistance for himself.

    For Trump to shut down the economy and produce an effective containment, he would have had to do this knowing that his own business would be devastated.

    https://mol.im/a/8138335

  74. @Felix Keverich

    Doubt it, in fairness, UK is testing extensively.

    • Replies: @for-the-record
  75. Denis says:

    Fortunately, it appears that China (and Russia) are going to bail Serbia out with test kits.

    Honestly thank God for you both.

    Despite their rather different geopolitical viewpoints, European attitudes to both Serbia and the Ukraine are quite similar. They are to be exploited to the extent they are useful; otherwise discarded as needed. It’s a lesson they should mull over.

    I agree completely, the Serbia-Ukraine parallel is a fairly accurate one, in that Serbs and Ukrainians alike are absolutely screwed if they don’t cleave to Russia.

  76. @Anatoly Karlin

    UK is testing extensively

    Can’t be all that extensive — I have two friends in UK south of London with coronavirus (he’s a doctor, should be able to tell the difference between this and “mere” flu) and after 5 days they still can’t get themselves tested. Hence they don’t even appear in the figures for UK coronavirus cases.

  77. Epigon says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I would pay top dollar to meet this “Serbian nationalist” in person.
    The main focus of our encounter would be his CV, the CV of his parents and grandparents, their voting preferences 1992-2012 and their whereabouts in 1991-2000.

    You know, Res non verba? The principle sensible people use to gauge politicians and governments?

    I already have a very nice theory.

    Generally, abysmal failures in private lives should be ignored and barred from presenting their “opinions”, on anything.

    I would advise you to distance yourself from underachieving simpletons whose perception of (geo)politics and diplomacy is commically naive and smolbrain, and who unironically believe that anonymously chestbeating, spouting urapatriotic idiocies detached from reality and insisting on maximalist terms while holding 0 advantages is a measure of nationalist sentiment.

    The sheer audacity of these idiots presenting Putin, Lavrov, Russian intelligence as naive fools being played by “Western agent” Vucic and Dacic; and themselves as better Russians than actual Russians when it comes to deciding on the Russian national interests and alliances. Putin and Lavrov have by far the best relation with Vucic among all Serb politicians in the last decades. They said so.

    Serbia is in a precarious position in every single aspect, no amount of bluffing would fool neither Americans nor Germans, the actual masters and controllers of all important affairs and institutions since 2000.

    Instead of replying in detail to each of his “points”, I would like him to present a better alternative for Serbia at the moment. Explicite leader and party, concrete policies and measures.

    PS: Testing asymptomatic and mild cases serves no meaningful purpose per se. Isolation and separation measures do the actual work, and the hospitalization capacity is limited.
    Ergo, focusing on actual preventive measures (curfew, social distancing, quarantine for arrivals…) and treatment of cases warranting hospitalization is the best Serbia can do at the moment.
    My acquintances are Professors and Doctors combatting the outbreak; he probably picked his “opinions” from online comments, mass media, Balkan Info and his drinking buddies.

    • Thanks: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  78. dfordoom says: • Website
    @Europe Europa

    despite the fact Britain has among the lowest rates, especially per capita.

    Is that an actual fact? How many people have they tested? Does the British government actually have the slightest idea how many people are infected?

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  79. @utu

    One scumbag, whose institution got quarantined in the aftermath, who is now facing criminal charges,

    vs.

    Large group of scumbags stoning buses with returnees from China, doctors and nurses singing the national anthem happy that they get get to shirk their duties, two orders of magnitude fewer tests than Russia.

    Yes, totally comparable, dude.

    • Replies: @AP
    , @utu
  80. @dfordoom

    Does any government really have any idea how many people are infected? My understanding is that there is a big shortage of test kits the world over, yet it seems to be mainly Britain being criticised in the media.

    I suspect it’s largely political, the international media hate Brexit and are using this as an opportunity to turn people against Brexit Britain and make it appear that the EU has the moral high ground. The media is also claiming that only British people are stockpiling and behaving in an uncivilised manner and that everyone in the rest of the world is civilised and calmly following government advice, there is so obviously an anti-British agenda going on here. There is clearly a big effort to make Britain an object of contempt and ridicule and to portray the British as the worst, most selfish and uncivilised people in the world.

  81. @Anatoly Karlin

    broke the constitution on several occasions in the past two weeks. First by essentially disbanding the Parliament with an executive act (the one forbidding the gatherings of 100+ people)

    This decision will save lives and the current constitution is not some sacred thing, it was signed in 2006 by worthless traitors

    Military got involved with no apparent reason, except to make our wannabe dictator look even more silly and grotesque.

    No apparent reason? I guess risks of a mass pandemic and possible consequences of that (general public disorder) are no reason?

    Also, an interesting fact: Vucic NEVER seems to brag when a new country “unrecognizes” Kosovo.

    Again, looking at what someone says instead of what they do, it’s such a brainlet take at politics
    Vučić’s minions and media outlets already do all the necessary bragging, no need for him to sour his image among the European and American liberals by rooting “Neo-Fascist Serbian Politics” or whatever newspeak nonsense they use

    And when nationalists talked about the imminent betrayal (it started as soon as he was elected) they weren’t talking about the Serbian institutions, they were claiming we were about to recognize Kosovo “next month” and it was “next month” for about 5 years before they dropped that line

    Serbian institutions have practically ceased to exist in the north of the province during this time

    No, they De Jure ceased to exist under the Brussels agreement, which was in motion way before Aleks came to power
    De Facto they stopped existing in 1999 when the JNA withdrew after months of Jihadi attacks and NATO bombardment

    The thing that goes unnoticed among all these pathetic appeals for “centuries old” friendship between Serbia and China, is the total absence of Russian support in Serbian MSM

    This is a blatant lie
    However the focus is mainly on China so everyone else gets drowned out by the noise, the media does talk about Russia sending help to Serbia and how well Russia is handling the crisis
    It should be noted that liberal outlets like Danas are pushing the “Russia is hiding the epidemic” hoax

    The “Centuries old” friendship is eyebrow raising but Serbia was never really an enemy of China afaik, and both SFRY and PRC split from the Soviet sphere so they had good diplomatic relations
    And call them pathetic all you want, Chinese doctors, equipment and cash donations are coming and all it took was some sweettalk, sweettalk which just happened to dismiss the EU and the West in General, which is certainly a propaganda win for the Russo-Chinese bloc

    Vučić is probably the best Russia can get out of a Serbia which is surrounded by US puppets, more favorable alternative (that have a chance of winning an election) do not exist and this is what you sometimes hear from some Russian Serbia-analysts

    • Agree: Denis
  82. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Large group of scumbags stoning buses with returnees from China

    1/3 of whom were non-Ukrainians, people possibly with the virus brought into the country. Ukrainian villagers didn’t want foreign plague carriers in their village and weren’t afraid to stone the buses carrying them in. Imagine that.

    doctors and nurses singing the national anthem happy that they get get to shirk their duties

    Duty to bring contagious foreigners into their hospital, resulting in likely infection for some of the staff?

    Of course, it would be their duty to treat them once they are being brought to the hospital. If they refused to do so they would indeed be scumbags.

    But it is utterly normal of them to be happy and relived that these people weren’t brought into their hospital from abroad. And I bet you wish that Russians would be nationalistic enough to express their happiness by singing the national anthem.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  83. LondonBob says:
    @Europe Europa

    I just think it is lefty propaganda in this country. This article is a classic of the genre.

    Lefty activists, lefty publication. Complete inversion of reality, it is Italy with the problem, not us. It was Italy that took no measures, mishandled tracing and then infected their hospitals.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  84. @Anatoly Karlin

    There is apparently a large colony (100.000) of Chinese workers in Lombardy, with direct flights between Lombardy and Wuhan, so this Italian outbreak is not a coincidence.

    UK had a “herd immunity” strategy from the beginning. They made no real effort at containment. British government allowed their people to become infected, and only began to change course after public outrage.

    • Agree: Aedib
  85. @LondonBob

    British leftists see Britain as the worst country in the world and the native British as the worst people. In their minds even black Africa is above Britain, especially indigenous Britain.

    The fact that Italy objectively handled the outbreak worse than Britain is an irrelevance to them, in their minds Britain is always the worst and there’s no reasoning with them on that. In fact they are likely to try and use their back-to-front reasoning to try and find a way to blame Britain for the outbreak in Italy, they are that deranged.

  86. @Felix Keverich

    The large Chinese population in Italy has been completely ignored by the media, in fact China itself seems to have been let completely off the hook. The focus is now on how terrible Britain and the native British people are.

    Someone even posted a Tweet above by a Vietnamese person trying to claim that BRITAIN of all countries is responsible for the outbreak in Vietnam, I mean what kind of ridiculous logic is that? Vietnam bloody BORDERS China, the origin and epicentre of the Coronavirus outbreak, and the Vietnamese are trying to say Britain is the cause? It beggars belief.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  87. @AP

    China’s initial reaction to the virus is no worse than the US’, and its subsequent efforts significantly better. The effort to blame this on China at this point is just a futile effort at coping.

    • Agree: Tor597, Aedib, Beckow
    • Replies: @AP
    , @Dmitry
  88. Denis says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    2. People are generally taking thing VERY seriously, despite being bombarded by the “funniest virus in history” misinformation only two weeks ago, by non other than Vucic himself and his doctor stooges. Belgrade is almost deserted by day, and I haven’t seen anyone older than 65 in the streets for a few days now.

    FTR, my elderly relatives are generally pretty irreverent towards the whole thing. They stay inside because there is a quarantine in effect and police tell them to stay in their apartments. They are not panicking, just bored.

    On the other hand, a younger relative of mine, who works in medicine, has been taking it very seriously indeed and is playing a major role in containing the outbreak in her locale. So it’s a mixed bag.

  89. @AP

    It’s the least they can do, given that this is their fuckup.

    And the virus in Europe is also mostly China’s fault, it stems from Chinese settlers in northern Italy.

    Are you being deliberately obtuse? It is a nature disaster. The Chinese did not infect the West on purpose. Compare that to the 2009 H1N1 swine flu, its origin can be traced back to American factory farms. I don’t remember the U.S. was blamed this way. Most Western governments were warned by events in China and Asia one to two months in advance. They can’t blame their own lack of preparedness on China.

    • Replies: @AP
  90. @AP

    And I bet you wish that Russians would be nationalistic enough to express their happiness by singing the national anthem.

    No, because it is fake and cringe.

    Even Americans with their inordinate love for the star-spangled don’t burst into “Oh Say Can You See” on any happy occasion.

    Like, what does not having to offer medical help have to do the glory of Ukraine anyway?

    • Replies: @AP
  91. @Europe Europa

    All of East Asia had Corona in check a couple of weeks ago, even in South Korea, where a freak super spreader early on (Patient 31) had exploded it.

    But now the numbers there are going up again – this time, driven by Europeans. So that is perfectly plausible.

    • Replies: @Europe Europa
  92. @Anatoly Karlin

    It seems far more plausible that Italy spread it to the UK and Northern Europe, rather than vice versa for various reasons.

    • Agree: AP
  93. AP says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    China’s initial reaction to the virus is no worse than the US’

    Probably (was US denialism worse than threatening the doctor who raised the initial alarm though?), but it did originate there and the spread in Europe is largely due to the massive Chinese presence in Italy. Of course it was not a deliberate plot by the Chinese, but it is still a “Chinese virus.”

    If an American fuckup resulted in a global problem of such a scale, spread by American tourists and expats, subsequent American donations of masks would not be widely used as an example of American awesomeness by grateful victims of the plague.

  94. Aedib says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Irán is peaking right now and there are some positive signals there: Number of deaths and new cases seems to start falling.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran/

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  95. AP says:
    @last straw

    Are you being deliberately obtuse? It is a nature disaster. The Chinese did not infect the West on purpose

    Their mismanagement made the problem explode (and mismanagement in western countries does not excuse the fact that Chinese mismanagement at the beginning is ultimately to blame). The problem’s expansion into the West largely is due to Chinese settlement and easy travel/open borders. If there weren’t huge numbers of Chinese in Italy, Europe would be in a very different situation. If there wasn’t a large-scale travel between the USA’s west coast and China (on the East Coast it seems to come from Italy, therefore ultimately from China), America’s problem would have been lighter.

    Generally speaking, this crisis shows that the world would be a lot more pleasant and safer if there were less globalization outside North America/Europe/Japan/Australia. Zika, West Nile, SARS, Coronavirus, all sorts of crap comes from outside these places.

    • Replies: @Beckow
  96. AP says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    And I bet you wish that Russians would be nationalistic enough to express their happiness by singing the national anthem.

    No, because it is fake and cringe.

    Those people were very sincere.

    Even Americans with their inordinate love for the star-spangled don’t burst into “Oh Say Can You See” on any happy occasion.

    This proves that they are far less nationalistic than are western Ukrainians.

    Like, what does not having to offer medical help have to do the glory of Ukraine anyway?

    About a third of those were non-Ukrainians (Latin Americans IIRC). I guess Kiev cut a deal to offer them quarantine and treatment. Locals weren’t happy to put their lives in danger for these foreigners, and expressed their joy in patriotic terms when this didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  97. @Korenchkin

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETq5XLfWsAU7Xrv?format=jpg&name=small
    Does this fall under “Sovok instincts” ?
    Kinda neat

    Haha, those are great.

  98. @Felix Keverich

    There are no direct flights from Wuhan to Prato which is in Tuscany. There are however direct flights from Wenzhou. By simply placing Wuhan/Wenzhou next to each other and noting they are both Chinese cities starting with W doesn’t make them the same city. They are located in different Chinese provinces separated by 1000 km.

    Prato the place with all the Chinese garment factories does have strong links with Wenzhou but has no connection what so ever with Wuhan or any other Chinese City starting with W. Prato also has 26 Coronavirus infections but is not the epicenter of the Italian outbreak despite having the largest percentage of Chinese in Italy.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @AP
  99. Denis says:
    @AP

    Interesting, can you point to a western government that is taking these considerations (wrt Chinese immigration) seriously? Because if not, I think that responsibility for this mess should lie at the feet of western governments. They are the ones that opened the borders of their countries and fostered immigrant communities like the Chinese one, in the face of the strident opposition of patriots.

    • Replies: @AP
  100. LondonBob says:
    @Blinky Bill

    There were three direct flights a week from London to Wuhan, this Chinese people in Northern Italy theory is daft. There is a lot of Chinese tourism in Italy and a government that took no measures.

  101. @AP

    At least the Chinese apologized for their mistake in regards to Dr. Li Wenliang. I don’t see the very stable genius admitting to his errors in claiming that it was a hoax, any oversight for the ridiculous cdc mixup with testing or the FDA threatening someone for testing in Washington.

    At least show the basic humanity to acknowledge when someone is trying to help.

    • Replies: @AP
  102. LondonBob says:
    @Aedib

    Italy is peaking too, the 21st was forecast as the peak, cases on the 22nd down to 5560 from 6557, deaths 651 from 793.

    • Replies: @Aedib
  103. Tor597 says:
    @AP

    Actually, Asia did a good job in containing the breakout.

    European countries plus America were of the mind set of “This only affects Asians it won’t kill white people”, let’s all get infected to get herd immunity, it’s a conspiracy bro, or just incompetent like in America.

    If Euros plus Americans did a better job, this outbreak would be much more manageable for the world.

  104. @AP

    I think we might can argue over the optics of this до опупения.

    But I will bet that a good majority of observers – perhaps even a majority of Ukrainians – would not agree that it’s an appropriate reaction.

  105. AP says:
    @Blinky Bill

    There are no direct flights from Wuhan to Prato which is in Tuscany.

    Milan has more Chinese than does Prato but it is a larger city so the % of Chinese is smaller.

    There were direct flights from Milan to Wuhan.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  106. @JimDandy

    I think American-journalist-as-suicide-bomber is the number one potential threat to the United States, and preventing this should be the FBI’s number one priority. Thx.

    It’s not even that.

    The media promotion of mass hysteria and obfuscation of actual quality data on this situation is the equivalent of shouting, “FIRE,” in a crowded theater with a 140 dB SPL megaphone.

    The US used to have laws about such things, but I am sure they only apply to the little people and not our betters in the media.

    In China, they have severe penalties for, “disrupting the harmony of society.” We’re already way beyond that in the US.

  107. AP says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    At least the Chinese apologized for their mistake in regards to Dr. Li Wenliang. I don’t see the very stable genius admitting to his errors in claiming that it was a hoax, any oversight for the ridiculous cdc mixup with testing or the FDA threatening someone for testing in Washington.

    Agreed. If this started in the USA and spread elsewhere the world would have good cause to condemn the USA and to judge any subsequent efforts by Americans to help others as “the least they could do.”

    At least show the basic humanity to acknowledge when someone is trying to help.

    My issue is when this is presented as some sort of reason to laud China and view it as a savior.

    I said it was the least they could do since it was ultimately their fault.

    If person A accidentally starts a fire in his house, it spreads to other houses and becomes even worse there, does person A become a hero for helping the others with their fires? Or would say that helping out the others is the least that he could do. And it is good for him to do it.

    The fact that Trump or Italy have fucked after the Chinese virus got into their countries (or through open borders and free migration set up the conditions for this to occur in the first place) is a separate issue, also deserving of condemnation, but not relevant to the point.

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
    , @yakushimaru
  108. Dmitry says:
    @JL

    Sure, he can also write about snail shells, and it will still probably be an enjoyable blog for us.

    1. For people who both read languages – American reports on Russia, without inserting them next to Russian reports on America. It’s like reporting about a meaningless argument between a husband and wife, and only annotating a wife’s comments.

    Well, the content of the argument is meaningless, but everyone knows from its form that there is mutual hostility, and that it is existing on both sides.

    2. We all have enough “IQ points” to understand by now, that this low level of mutual hostility was useful to authorities in both countries, and distortions in the media in both countries was mostly, slavishly reflecting self-interest of rulers.

    The general pattern of the last 6 or 7 years is that low level of hostility was discovered to be quite useful for factions in both countries (while high levels of hostility would not be).

    3. Policies which would match the self-interest of normal individuals in both countries, is often diverging from policies which would match the self-interest of the authority or elites. (And we saw that a lot in recent years with officials telling the public the opposite of how their own families behave).

    The interesting thing in relation to this topic, with coronavirus in Russia, is that the self-interest of the population has finally converged, and benefited from, a wedge (partly inserted by America) between Russia and the EU.

    Accident of fate – that American hostility to Russia, and Russian hostility to America, with the EU in the American axis, has helped to ensure that Russia would be less exposed (or at least more lately exposed) to a coronavirus epidemic, as it has helped ensure lower per capita connectivity to Northern Italy.

    Every EU country now has far higher per capita coronavirus than Russia, generally because of higher connectivity to Italy. And Russia (assuming most of an ice-berg is detected, and there isn’t too much underneath), is somewhere with Pakistan and Egypt.

  109. AP says:
    @Denis

    Interesting, can you point to a western government that is taking these considerations (wrt Chinese immigration) seriously? Because if not, I think that responsibility for this mess should lie at the feet of western governments.

    There is plenty of blame to go around. If as person chooses to get drunk and passes out on a subway, and his wallet is stolen – well, he was stupid, but the man who took his wallet is also a criminal.

    Virus originated in China, China screwed up in the first few weeks, and this became a global problem due to governments outside China enabling mass Chinese migration and free travel (though I suspect the Chinese government also encouraged such policies by other countries).

    It is good of China to help out, now that it has the problem under control in its own borders. But let’s not lose sight of the context. China is not simply some sort of a hero and savior here.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  110. That’s it. If Rand Paul does not survive this, I’m officially treating corona as a US/Israeli bioweapon.

  111. @Felix Keverich

    That is excellent news while the are at it also ban the australian and american, canadian and New zealand sexpats, and make it permanent. my ultimate dream is all asia ban the british five eyes permanantely

  112. @AP

    Taipei, Singapore, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Seoul, Bangkok and about 200 other Cities in Asia, North America, Europe and Australasia have more Chinese than both Milan and Prato. They also have more direct flights to Wuhan, far more in many cases. But yet they have far fewer Cases of Corvid19.

    Perhaps there are more important factors involved besides the number of “Chinese settlers” or garment workers that decide the severity of the outbreak ?

  113. Dmitry says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    effort to blame this on China

    If we exclude conspiracy theories about bioweapons (whatever their probability), then of course this epidemic would be the resposibility of Chinese, and lack of hygiene of Chinese food industry in particular.

    The white man – even at West Ukrainian GDP per capita, which is lower than China and parts of Africa – is not creating regularly such zooneses in the 21st century, although it might have been possible still in the 19th century.

    From induction, it is clear this is not some random chance, as China is regularly creating quite dangerous zooneses.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971214014970

    More developed countries of East Asia (like Japan) are also not creating such epidemics.

    • Agree: AP
  114. Beckow says:
    @AP

    …less globalization outside North America/Europe/Japan/Australia

    You are missing the point of globalization: manufacturing in cheap Third World countries and rewarding the local compradors with a permission to migrate to the West. That’s the deal, that’s what globalization is.

    With NA-Europe-Japan all you get is tourism and travel. I would be surprised if we can at this point convince Chinese and the other cheap labor countries to do the work and forgo the hope of migration. It was a Faustian deal and those as we know end in hell.

  115. utu says:
    @AP

    Calm down, man and stop the stupid blaming game. It seems that your Banderite spin also includes bashing Chinese which, on the second thought, should not be surprising as there is only one paymaster. Perhaps you should specialize in Ukraine only and leave China to more competent haters.

    Compare Canada and Italy on Chinese residents: Canada has 5 times more Chinese than Italy but 62 times less infection cases and 539 times less fatalities than Italy (as of March 16). Furthermore France and UK have more Chinese than Italy.

    What about tourists: In Canada 0.75 mil Chinese tourist but in Italy 3.5 mil Chinese tourists. So it must be the tourists, right?

    So compare Japan with Italy on Chinese tourists: 8.4 mil Chinese tourist in Japan vs. 3.5 mil Chinese tourists in Italy. How many cases in Japan?

    So what I am trying to convey is that the expression of the epidemic in different countries is not congruent with the number of Chinese residents or Chinese tourist.

    We will never know where the patients zero (yes plural, there are many patients zero) really came from. For various political reasons we will not be told and what we will be told we must be skeptical about. I found interesting data about the first infected in British Columbia that has huge rather affluent Chinese population. There were as many Iranians as non-Iranians on the list.

    In British Columbia cases 1 to 5 were from China though it does not appear they infected others while cases 6, 7,…, 12 and 14, 15,…19 were traced to Iran. Then the case 22 was from Iran and also case 31. Case 32 was from Italy, case 35 was from Egypt and case 37 was from Germany. So out of first 37 cases over 50% were people came form Iran, Egypt, Germany and Italy. My point is that while Canada has huge Chinese population (1.7 mil) and gets 700,000 Chinese visitors per year it does not look like China was the main vector. In BC it is Iran and Europe.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-19-coronavirus-canadian-cases

    One should consider a possibility whether virus introduction to Iran and the Middle East did precede its introduction in China.

    Now let’s return to Italy. Most Chinese tourists go to Rome, Florence and Venice. These cities were not affected as much as Lombardy where there is not that many tourists. So we are told that Chinese workers could carry the virus. So look at Prato (in Tuscany near Florence) which has the highest density of Chinese population in Italy. Wiki lists 11,882 (6.32%) for Prato while the highest absolute number is Milan 18,918 (1.43%). The numbers are probably outdated as most likely they do not include illegal residents.

    On March 11 Italy had 12,246 cases.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

    So I checked what Prato had on March 11:

    https://iltirreno.gelocal.it/prato/cronaca/2020/03/11/news/coronavirus-casi-triplicati-a-prato-e-il-giorno-piu-nero-1.38580402
    Coronavirus, casi triplicati a Prato: è il giorno più nero

    “In a single day the positive cases of coronavirus in the province of Prato have tripled: from 7 to 21. It is the darkest day since the outbreak began. According to what was announced in the afternoon of today, March 11, by the bulletin of the regional council…”

    “Therefore, 314 patients are currently positive in Tuscany. This is the subdivision by signaling areas: 71 Florence, 32 Pistoia, 21 Prato (total Asl center: 124), 43 Lucca, 40 Massa Carrara, 34 Pisa, 16 Livorno (total North West Asl: 133), 12 Grosseto, 37 Siena , 14 Arezzo (total Asl southeast: 63).”

    So clearly the 2nd largest Chinese community in Italy (and first in density) with 21 cases (out of 12,246 cases in Italy) did not contribute a lot to the corona virus outbreak in Italy.

    • Replies: @AP
  116. @AP

    If this started in the USA and spread elsewhere the world would have good cause to condemn the USA and to judge any subsequent efforts by Americans to help others as “the least they could do.”

    Chinese shipments of medical goods are actually to the risk of the own population, where hospitals are still recovering. While in some ways it is a blatant PR play, its quite a significant cost amd self-risk that goes beyond “the least they could do.”

    • Replies: @AP
  117. I believe this is an appropriate time to repost this Video by AP. Concerning a life saving piece of Ukrainian technology.

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    We all need something lighthearted in these dark times.

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  118. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Sorry for trolling. In this case I was just trying to slightly rattle your cage. Frankly I do not really care about the spitting much between Ukrainians and Russians here as it is totally inconsequential to the outcome of what is going to happen because somebody else is dealing the cards in this game and it is not you or the pathetic Saker or the Banderite AP regardless of how many people all of you may influence this way or another.

    • Replies: @AP
  119. Dmitry says:

    Production in medical ventilators in Ekaterinburg alone, can go to something over 800 a month. On the negative side, Ekaterinburg is the only one in Russia that can produce medical ventilators.

    Производством аппаратов искусственной вентиляции легких, рекомендуемых для использования в лечебных учреждениях, в…

    Posted by Коммерсантъ-Урал on Wednesday, March 18, 2020

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  120. Aedib says:
    @LondonBob

    Italy shows a lag behind Iran of around 5-7 days. “Peak” is a flat top (around 15 days) rather than a real peak. Please, see China and Iran lines.

  121. @Dmitry

    Italy can produce 500 ventilators a month. Germany intends to produce another 10,000, but the company says it will take a year to fulfill the order, so 800/month. https://www.ft.com/content/5a2ffc78-6550-11ea-b3f3-fe4680ea68b5

    So, Russia’s production capacity of ventilators seems comparable to those of the major European countries.

    • Replies: @Dmitry
  122. @Jatt Arya

    Well, all R1A people that they can’t subvert.

    (((They))) have convinced the majority of Canadians, Western Europeans that it is a good and fair thing that the R1A peoples should go extinct, and that national suicide should be committed.

    So they don’t need to “hate” them.

    Russia has a strong, nationalist, Christian conservative leader influencing positive things in the culture. Thus, Russia must be taken out. In 50 years we westerners will be begging Russia to let us in as refugees. I hope for my sake that they would let me in. But for the greater good of the R1A peoples they should let us burn in the shitholes we allowed ourselves to be duped into creating.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
  123. @Jatt Arya

    We deserve everything we get. NOT because of colonization, NOT for slavery. But for being weak and being allowed to be taken over by parasites.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
  124. Cyrano says:
    @Blinky Bill

    Sweet lady. I suspect that the only escapade that her invention will provide – will be for some dirty minds (like mine) into the world of XXX rated fantasy.

  125. UK says:
    @Cyrano

    Coronavirus is every loser “refugee” whose real motivation is to take photos with random women in the background while wearing sunglasses and faking a life of making it via Facebook to those back home.

  126. @AP

    Extremely dumb to claim as a “fuckup” successfully isolating areas consisting of 97% of a 1.5 billion population country from anything above negligible levels of infection.

    Equally worse to jump onto the claims of 1 random chinese, not-specialist doctor, as if it was some obvious definite truth or definite thing for which to reasonably expect authorities to shutdown the whole region or the country’s whole economy at that particular unclear time. It is a nonsense to think so and no country would do so. Simply brain dead western propaganda.

    How many reports of “successfully shutdown new disease” do you ever hear of at that stage- like with the stopping of terrorist attacks? None.

    How early is “early” to notify, anyway?

    It is not China’s obligation to notify Western countries of the “mystery” 100000 Chinese in the Lombardy region who might regularly travel to Wuhan. The problems in China were known 1 – 2 months before the US had any cases……. and if they only shutdown flights between China early, but didn’t think about northern Italy because of 1-dimensional thinking – that’s their own problem.
    Russia did the same but then, unlike countries such as cesspit Ukraine, Russia is doing smart, targeted quarantining and testing.

    And yes- selfishly and idiotically referring to it as the “Chinese virus” not because that’s where it is from, but because of geopolitical or “election year” reasons…… is almost as bad as nonsensical calling Kiev, “Kyiv”

    The “EU” or “NATO” virus is what Americans should call it because those jurisdictions are where their direct contact with the virus has come from and bad decision-making occurred .
    The gulf War wasn’t against the USSR, just because the majority of Saddam’s weapons were produced there – could use the same logic here.

  127. AP says:
    @utu

    or the Banderite AP

    Where ever did you get this idea from? It is the second time you repeat this nonsense.

  128. AP says:
    @utu

    It seems that your Banderite spin also includes bashing Chinese which

    Not a Banderist, and to clarify, the issue is with Red China specifically, not “Chinese.” Taiwan has done an excellent job with this.

    Compare Canada and Italy on Chinese residents: Canada has 5 times more Chinese than Italy but 62 times less infection cases and 539 times less fatalities than Italy (as of March 16). Furthermore France and UK have more Chinese than Italy.

    This simply shows that although Chinese is a necessary condition, it is not sufficient. Though it is likely that Chinese in Canada are different from ones in Italy (Hong Kong origins vs. mainland commie origins). Singapore and Taiwan are fine, so this seems to be a mainland Chinese problem.

    So clearly the 2nd largest Chinese community in Italy (and first in density) with 21 cases (out of 12,246 cases in Italy) did not contribute a lot to the corona virus outbreak in Italy

    What about Milan?

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  129. AP says:
    @Korenchkin

    Stay safe, and your loved ones also..

    • Thanks: Korenchkin
  130. @Dmitry

    Can you show me even ONE article or report from Izvestiya, life, kp. Vz, RBK, vesti, Channel 1 etc that is stupid about the west? I can’t because most of them are extremely well written.
    The inverse situation? …. I have just read 3 cretinous western lie reports about Russia/coronavirus in the last half an hour! Each one born out of jealousy or CIA psyops There is no comparison to make at all. You are doing false equivalence.

    Gayropa DOES exist. It is a thing, an ideology

    Your premise is absurd-50 % because Russian journalists are a lot more intellectual than their western counterparts…. and the other 50 % is quite naturally because millions of Russians have closely admired or studied or been influenced by western practises and popular culture in the last 30 years….. than vice versa.

    Kiselyov has had an American wife, speaks English, family in Germany and has done many excellent reports on western countries.

    Brilyev speaks perfect English and is a British citizen.

    Solovyov knows Italy and the US very well and on his talk shows he has done many objective, constructive/positive comments about American business climate and bureaucracy, for instance.

    Can you compare any of those guys to their dumb as f**k western counterparts trying to do a report on Russia?

    Different matter if you are talking about RT – that is lowest of the low, anti-russian, garbage.

    who cares? Half of Russian articles are 10 times more stupid than US ones

    Who cares ? Because the culmination of these deceitful idiot scumbag stories is what creates the momentum to ban Russia from the Olympics based on “collective” not individual punishment , pull Ukraine away from Russia, make a friend of mine be too scared to come to Russia on holiday because “the police will arrest you there for no reason” BS.,dissuade investors from billions in investment because of PR, not practical reasons. create the conditions so that self-discrediting freaks like Browder and Rodchenkov can say any BS as a pretext to sanction russia with zero chance of getting refuted because of the “they will get killed” by Russian agents if they go into the public (whilst going to the public) theory- a hypothesis based on other lie reporting.

    Russian media will make clear that its a disgrace the number of people the US police shoot dead each year- but they won’t say or imply that Russian tourists will get shot by US police or dissuade them from going on holiday there.

  131. @AP

    You need only one person to seed the virus in a population. The correlation between population density can hardly be an important factor. Chances are more important.

  132. Dmitry says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Russia’s production capacity of ventilators seems comparable

    It would be sad if not, considering that Russia/USSR has always been a world pioneer of all these technologies, since the 1920s when it invented the world’s first heart lung machine.

    Ekaterinburg still innovates in this area – for example, the specialized company in Ekaterinburg which are producing in low volume ventilators, since 2008. seems all something designed locally, based on the work of a local doctor in Ekaterinburg (B.D. Zislin), and using their own intellectual property.
    http://www.treat-on.com/files/TREATON/Treaton_Catalog.pdf

    It is locally designed electronics (well American components, but they design and assemble the electronics).
    http://www.triton.ru/files/Rukovodstvo_po_remontu_IVL_MV200.pdf

  133. Jatt Arya says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    R1A is basically East Germany to India so Balto-Slavs & Indo-Aryans.

    This isn’t christcuck doomer/sympathy hour.

    It is possible to not be either evil imperialists or simpering cucks.

    https://satyanrtam.wordpress.com/2017/02/20/language-and-discourse-why-the-issue-is-not-merely-about-sanskrit-or-english/

    Secularism is also globalism because the idea of securing everyone’s rights impedes on the community’s ability to uphold customs. The community being the ultimate basic unit NOT the christian nuclear family & hence christian individual.

  134. Jatt Arya says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    I WOULD’VE GOT AWAY WITH IT, IF IT WASN’T FOR THOSE MEDDLING KIDS.

    The problem isn’t what I did, it’s that I got caught.

    Predators get no sympathy, you created the Negro-Muslim-Zionist hive you sleep in it.
    How are you weak or taken over by parasites?

    White liberalism is infecting the youth of the world at an accelerating pace.
    Racial nationalism is not part of its mandate, but neither is it part of christianity’s.

    • Replies: @LoutishAngloQuebecker
  135. Jatt Arya says:
    @216

    Funds abortion clinics around the world
    Takes over universities to spread feminism
    Sanctions or regime changes those standing up for themselves
    Bombs civilians not in line with white liberalism

    Victim.

    You’re only mad that your share of the spoils has shrunk||
    You wish you were the oligarch.

    • Replies: @216
  136. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Funny shit. I feel sorry for the vast majority of Serbs for how much you embarrass them.

    “Turned Serbs into soap.”

    Top material.

    • Replies: @TheTotallyAnonymous
  137. AP says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Good points. Still, I disagree with the excessive pro-Chinese sentiment that I responded to with my post –

    “Honestly though, this whole crisis has boosted my Sinophilia to the power of at least one thousand (^1000). The Chinese are showing an unprecedented amount of humanity, morality and basic decency by giving medical aid to more than half the world”

    I mean, this thing did happen because of chronic poor sanitary conditions in China (plus eating what humans shouldn’t eat) followed by a few weeks of bungling and dishonesty by the authorities, combined with open borders with China (supported by both China and the West). So in light of this, “unprecedented amount of humanity, morality and basic decency ” is going rather far.

    • Replies: @Ms Karlin-Gerard
  138. @AP

    Add in that China has done far more good in the last 15 years for Africa, and effectively saved millions of lives…. than the west has done in 65 years over there.

    You can also replace Africa with the “Ukraine” and the post would still be true LOL.

  139. @Dmitry

    Well, Spain (mainland and any island I have been to) always seems to have far more Russians than Americans there on holiday.

    In fact I’m fairly sure there are a lot more Russian flights to some major western capitals, than there are by numerous East European countries . Only until last year, there were still more Russians than poles travelling to the US per year.

    I would not be surprised if Poland and the Baltics all together had less flight connectivity to northern Italy than just Moscow itself…and yet they have had far higher numbers infected than Russia.

    Your point might be valid if talking about Slovenia or Czech Republic compared to Russia

  140. @Jatt Arya

    White liberalism is infecting the youth of the world at an accelerating pace.

    Certainly true in Canada. The “brown” youth follow black culture, atheism, degeneracy and materialism.

    Actually, the Peel region in Ontario, famous for being known as “Brampadesh” or Browntown, has the highest abortion rate in Ontario. An average woman there would be expected to abort 0.8 babies in her lifetime. A shocking number, even higher than the degen whites.

    And there’s nothing inherently bad with colonialism. The strong dominate the weak. You might dominate us soon if we don’t become stronger. That’s life.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
  141. 216 says: • Website
    @Jatt Arya

    Listen here,

    In this country we call them “Monpolists” “Robber Barons” or “Thought Leaders” (for the cucked)

    You’re only mad that your share of the spoils has shrunk||

    Inequality is bad bro?

    You wish you were the oligarch.

    Well, I could get a girlfriend, but I’d only be getting a gold digger.

  142. Jatt Arya says:
    @LoutishAngloQuebecker

    The job of a ruler is to safeguard the customs of a people.
    Trying to modify the culture of others toward feminism, gay rights, individualism was something you were trying 200 years ago and set the seeds of your destruction.

    Even after all this time you still don’t see that or how being a christian ethno nat is a contradiction.

    Have fun 🙂

    • Replies: @216
  143. @Niccolo Salo

    “Turned Serbs into soap.”

    Top material.

    http://www.zlocininadsrbima.com/Novost.aspx?Naslov=Sv%D0%B5d%D0%BEc%D0%B5nj%D0%B5-B%D0%BErisl%D0%B0v%D0%B0-S%D0%B5v%D0%B0-iz-Pisk%D0%B0vic%D0%B5-%D0%BE-pr%D0%B0vlj%D0%B5nju-s%D0%B0pun%D0%B0-u-%D0%88%D0%B0s%D0%B5n%D0%BEvcu

    There’s real proof for it (Not to mention credible sources for Serb babies being boiled alive). Including individual accounts, but also post-war remains of Ustashe camps …

    Anyway, enjoy your earthquake Cro-cunt.

    It’s a real shame it didn’t hit you …

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  144. 216 says: • Website
    @Jatt Arya

    You do not own us. As a non-Christian you have no moral right to judge the texts of Christianity, no more than I can be the arbiter of your ancestral mythos.

    We have been, and always will be, your moral superiors. We have every right to rule you, and you have no right to even dream of ruling us.

    It is your arrogance which will open the Gates of Hell, and it will only lead you to the Pit of Hell.

    • Replies: @Jatt Arya
  145. Jatt Arya says:
    @216

    Lol we are Aryans u are not even dogs..

    • Replies: @216
  146. @AP

    If person A accidentally starts a fire in his house, it spreads to other houses and becomes even worse there, does person A become a hero for helping the others with their fires?

    It is a virus, man. It is from God. It is evolution. It just so happens that this time it started in Wuhan. If person A’s house being stricken by lightning, and the fire spreads, or the fire is burning through person A’s row of houses while the guys on the neighboring districts are simply watching, for ONE MONTH, and then the fire finally spreads into their block, you get the picture.

    But let us look into the future. This kinds of blaming is happening no matter what, and people like you will vote, will support political forces accordingly. At this stage, a peaceful and kind world will be possible only if the virus goes away by summer by God’s grace, or by our scientists who can have some ways to save us. Otherwise, this century will be a repeat of 20th century only on a much more magnificent scale because of all the nice weapons we now have.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  147. @AP

    People like you also took a decisively collective view of events. Majority of Chinese hardly ever eaten a bat. Can you see? Besides, the evidence so far does not tell that it was a bat virus jumped to humans in the food market.

    One joke I read on Chinese web was like this: an alien space force comes to earth and blames earthlings for spreading the virus, and Trump, being president of the most powerful nation, says to the alien commander that it is the Chinese, but, you know.

    • Agree: Mikhail
  148. @Anatoly Karlin

    Appearances aren’t everything. Actions matter more than words.

    Anyway, it seems like you are not well informed enough to be able to state anything authoritatively about Serbia/Balkans but yet too lazy to bother doing thorough research.

    I recommend to you this Russian language portal that focuses on Serbia/Balkans:

    https://balkanist.ru/

    Despite a few Russian Sovok cucks that occasionally write their articles, the takes are overall quite decent, with some being much better than others. I personally read this in order to get a different news perspective about Balkans and improve my Russian language skills, although I usually just end up pressing “translate to English” because I can just read the content much quicker that way.

  149. @Anatoly Karlin

    The thing that goes unnoticed among all these pathetic appeals for “centuries old” friendship between Serbia and China, is the total absence of Russian support in Serbian MSM, especially in Vucic’s rhetoric. I don’t think he publicly mentioned Russia in the past two weeks. It is more likely that his Chinese maneuver is just a smokescreen for his further alienation from Russia.

    Also, I haven’t heard anything about “centuries old” Serb-Chinese friendship, but in the past 20+ years, there is a lot that bonds Chinese and Serbs together, certainly more so than Chinese and any other nation in Europe.

    These things include the barbaric 1999 NATO bombing of China’s embassy and the murder of 3 Chinese journalists and embassy officials (after the “accident” excuse, allegedly to do with transfer of NATO’s shot down stealth bomber tech) to which a plaque stands in Belgrade and a Chinese cultural center is being built upon site of former bombed embassy, China sending medical aid to Serbs from its embassy during 1999 NATO bombing (and yet again now during Corona), China reviving Serbia’s infrastructure and economy with Belt and Road initiative etc.

    Vucic’s dramatic gesture of a plea for help from China and scolding of EU/West is much more than just a “stunt”.

    Aleksander Vucic’s SNS (Serbian Progressive Party) is closely tied to the CCP (Chinese Communist Party). Serbia depends just as much on China’s support, as it does on Russia’s, to block Kosovo recognition through membership in international institutions (China recently vetoed Kosovo membership of Interpol). Serbia openly supports One China Policy and even China’s treatment of Uighur’s (Marko Djuric, Serb government official for Kosovo made a whole video about this). Serbia is using Chinese 5G Huawei. Serbia even bought Chinese military drones.

    During China’s current Corona-virus outbreak, Ivica Dacic was the first foreign ambassador to visit China in late February when situation was still very bad, he even personally went to Wuhan in the epicenter of the outbreak when the situation was still hard. Vucic has also made a bunch of mostly unnoticed pro-China statements in last few months during Coronavirus outbreak and he has an upcoming personal visit to China planned in April.

    It’s no surprise China is helping Serbia now. There’s a popular outburst of support from millions of Chinese (I think even up to a few hundred million), with Serbia being the dominant topic on some Chinese social media, to help and support Serbia now thanks to Vucic’s gesture. There’s going to be a massive explosion of Chinese tourists to Serbia after all this is over.

    From 1:38 to 2:52 Vucic personally thanks China and finally states that “China will be our friend for many centuries and millennia to come”.

    Honestly, as far as most Serbs are concerned, being in the Chinese sphere of influence is the 2nd best thing after a Russian one, and arguably even better (at least imo).

    • Replies: @Mikhail
  150. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    Dude, just stop
    You’re not achieving anything

  151. @Korenchkin

    I truly wish good health to your elderly relatives.

    They need plenty of fresh air and mild exercise each day, should their mobility and the weatherr allow it. They don’t need time dictatorship.

    You’re Serbian, yes? Your parents and their parents would have got through a far more tangible, more serious period of war, sanctions–they don’t need to be paralysed with fear. You should be thinking about sensibly minimising risk… but NEVER about eliminating risk- that is impossible and the path towards totalitarianism.

    Some people are introvert some extrovert–curfews and sudden shutdowns are completely wrong. Like with the Arab spring from the financial crash- secondary effects from this could be much bigger than the primary ones. That’s why we need calm.

    If your elderly relatives lose their dignity- they lose their lives.

    Let a doctor be a doctor and deal with what is on front of them. They simply have no expertise on this . Plenty of them are the same faggots who want to ban heading and overhead kick in football. They have no qualifications on how diseases are going to spread and what activities and business should be closed for the good of public health. Even Phillip Kirkorov is equally
    qualified. I wouldn’t tolerate anybody sneezing on me when there isn’t a pandemic and everything else to prevent it I feel like I can control and mitigate – especially any contamination towards my elderly relatives by taking sensible measures.

    They lose their dignity, they lose their life!

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  152. Jatt Arya says:
    @216

    Khatri Ka Poot Hoon Brahmin Ko Nahin

  153. @Dacian Julien Soros

    1. Diagnosing bigly! Turns out Vasilieva is an ophthalmologist. She called herself “Navalny’s personal ophthalmologist” less than 2 years ago, when she claimed she had the ability to diagnose Navalny with “poisoning by an unknown substance”. I mean, we all know symptoms of datura poisoning, of mushroom poisoning, of opioid overdose, but it takes an ophtalmologist to identify the dreaded chemical known as “unknown substance”.

    2. Losing yuge! Russian economy is so deep in the brown, Vasilieva just can’t get a job. Two years ago, in a fit, she quit her job complaining about the salary, and ever since she remained unemployed, save for whatever Soros might have tipped. Of course, she didn’t immigration, although, in most Western countries, large percentages of physicians are imports from poorer countries, attracted by salaries. Of course, she avoided private practice, although that covers at least a quarter of Russians. So she doesn’t have any contact with the Russian healthcare system. She is a true marginal clown, as I said. But she can analyze its secrets when asked by frens from America.

    3. In this context, I wonder who is the Chinese paramount leader who triggered Trump by saying covid was an US Army creation. Xoild it be another ophthalmologist on Twitter, cherry-picked by the Very Stable Genius, so that he can play his classic sophomoric name-calling game at a global scale. Watch out for the “China virus”. “Or, as I call her, Nancy”

    I take this opportunity to ask all the commentards who play any variant of the blame game to suck my n-95.

    4. I don’t know much about Serbian-Chinese alliances, although I doubt that the Chinese will send any help next time Bosniaks, Albanians, or Gypsies will stage a riot. The past being the best predictor of the future, and all that. However, the idea that the accidental killing in Belgrade, two decades ago, of 3 Chinese guys is the basis of a millenary aliance is rudiculous. It’s like saying that Chinese and Americans will always be united in anti-Muslim crusades, because fully one third of Tsarnaev’s fatalities were innocent Chinese citizens.

    5. If Romania’s covid counts are small, it is because Romanian governments have been uninterested in counting or even estimating things. We rarely get corner kick and shots on goal stats, although ball games are a religion here, just as elsewhere. So of course we don’t know how many Romanians are alive, or how many are entitled to state-paid healthcare or retirement. So of course we have no idea just how many people have covid. I suspect a similar attitude on Serbia, Ukraine, and, in our model, the post-Ottoman Eteria entity. I don’t give the same benefit of doubt to Putin, Merkel, BoJo, or Trump. Undercounting was deliberate as long as the Western leaders thought they can fudge it. Overcounting is the norm now, since covid can be blamed for anything.

    Of the four above, Putin is still the greatest fan of undercounting and fudging, but you must be mental to think there is any difference between infection rates in European Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. Romania is perfecly synchronized with Italy, thanks to strong economic and family ties. How can the ties be weaker between Russia and Ukraine?

    Comparisons between a government who doesn’t care and one who fudges disqualify you.

  154. @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    “Let your elders risk an early death otherwise you’re a fascist bro”
    You watch too much American media

  155. Pericles says:
    @Ms Karlin-Gerard

    Could it have anything to do with this?

    Demonstrators used the outbreak of the coronavirus to highlight the problem of gender violence. In Madrid, several protesters held up signs with the message: “Sexism kills more than the coronavirus.” In Bilbao, thousands of demonstrators yelled: “The patriarchy kills more than the coronavirus.”

    March 9th: https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-03-09/womens-day-marches-in-spain-attract-mass-numbers-despite-coronavirus-fears.html

    March 13th: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/meteorite-fallen-madrid-empties-coronavirus-spreads-spain

    Madrid seems to be the by far most infected region of Spain. About half of the total number of victims when I last looked.

    • LOL: melanf
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  156. melanf says:
    @Pericles

    There are plenty of deranged zealots everywhere. In Europe, fans of the cult of gender equality organize mass gatherings during the epidemic, in Russia, Orthodox “activists” organize religious processions during the epidemic (ironically, against the epidemic)

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  157. @TheTotallyAnonymous

    the scenario that China and Russia become extremely hostile with each other in the near future (possibly even distant future) is extremely unlikely

    I don’t believe this is as unlikely as some might think, although not in a way most would expect. And changing demographics in the United States could be a key catalyst in such a turn of events. To clarify, I don’t think there will be an overtly anti-Russian sentiment running through mainland China in the near future, but I could see ethnic Asian — particularly Chinese — demographics in the United States turning that country against Russia, and later the whole of Europe, as a means of deflecting away from the CCP globally and ethnic Chinese domestically.

    Much of the current anti-Russian sentiment promoted by the left is just thinly veiled anti-white animus. A key element of coalition building is having a common enemy. The common enemy of POC is the white American demographic. Russia is the ruling class’s whipping boy, a stand in for their white Christian domestic rivals. That’s why you see racist identitarians like the South African Trevor Noah obsessing about Russia and Putin even though neither has anything to do with any American’s living standard (and never mind the hypocrisy of having so many autocratic non-white allies — a fact which is strangely omitted from their rhetoric about Russian strongmen).

    When considering past conflicts, most people falsely assume there wasn’t a more base motive — ethnic antipathy. Children in the United States, for instance, are taught that their country entered the Second World War because Hitler was bad and the imperial Japanese were bad. Perhaps, but that isn’t really the true reason. The United States government and significant portions of the population lobbied for entry into both world wars due mostly to ethnic allegiances; Britain spoke English and so did an American white population descended largely from that same group. It’s not a coincidence that the most anti-war sections of the country were also the most German. Charles Lindbergh, a noted anti-war celebrity, was German, IIRC; Jewish activists have spent decades trying to destroy his image.

    It’s also probably not a coincidence that many Americans who opposed entry into these wars were fairly recent descendants of ethnic groups with a history of anti-Anglo sentiment. FDR’s Irish ambassador, for example, to the Court of St. James’s made it clear to the British Royal Family that the American public opposed entry into the war (true, but the government was working hard behind the scenes to make it happen). An enraged WASP FDR eventually sacked him. In that light, it’s not inconceivable to think that had the U.S. accepted 2 or 3 times the number of German and Irish immigrants the country might have remained neutral or even joined the Axis. In contrast, the strongest supporters of these wars were WASP celebrities, politicians, and voting demographics.

    In the present, the U.S. supports Israel mainly because it has a powerful Jewish lobby that influences it to do so, even against its wider interests. The same is true of Cuba where the country sacrifices its national image in order to appeal to a small demographic of Cuban expats in southern Florida. Over in Europe, the UK — flooded with Indian immigrants — is now unnaturally friendly to India, even reorienting its recent domestic culture to include far more Indian history, subjects, and characters in shows like Dr. Who (a show that now no longer has a traditional Christmas episode as it went POC woke). Demography is destiny, it would seem. Immigration without assimilation is equivalent to conquest.

    Polls in the United States show Asians have the most positive opinion of the Chinese government by a fairly wide margin, and there have been numerous stories lately of Chinese ethnics protesting in favor of the interests of that country — against the Hong Kong protests (Disney’s Mulan actress, a nationalized American), against college events and monuments they deem against China, and against any description of corona as a “China virus”, not that I endorse the description myself. Other demographics show a more mixed opinion. Regardless, I expect there will continue to be a steady flow of Asian immigrants to the United States with predictable consequences.

    I think it is possible that the American system could be co-opted with a concerted effort and repurposed to serve the interests of China, an effective coup similar to Israel’s domination of the current establishment by means of diaspora activists. A few diversity programs, a set of prominent politicians, some money thrown around, the founding and infiltration of a few lobby groups, and a few unscrupulous people put in charge of the entertainment and news industries could see a situation where sympathetic Chinese ethnics seize control. We’ve already seen this several times before in United States history — protestant then catholic then Jewish. And with few common bonds or any sense of patriotism left to deter such a thing*, this will be all the easier. Consider the recent mass arrests of American academics found to be working for the Chinese government. It was stunning, really.

    In such an event, you’ll likely see coalition building against the white demographic by domestic Asian-led minority groups. This will also apply to alliances involving other countries and demographics — all in an effort to deflect from China and Asians domestically while enhancing their power. This will involve the promotion of various propaganda and even extend to rewriting history. The media will demonize Russia and then Europe. They’ll employ rhetoric involving colonialism and various events from European history, such as the Inquisition, to attack Europeans and ally rival racial groups against them for personal gain.

    Jews did something similar previously; they were at the forefront of “civil rights” in the United States and immigration reforms aimed at weakening the electoral strength of their WASP rivals. They’ve also rewritten history to paint themselves and their allies as the victims of their ethnic rival’s hateful machinations — continually digging up and exaggerating past events. For instance (one among many), you’re told as an American that anti-Semitic Southerners murdered an innocent Jewish Leo Frank because they hated Jews for no reason. What you won’t be told (because Jewish groups have banned the book that told the tale from Amazon) is that Jews in the South were generally well integrated and not persecuted to any real extent. The same book I’m referencing has tables of prominent Jewish politicians in the South and corrected much of the propaganda surrounding Frank’s trial. Why would the history books lie about such a thing? Easy, because the people who wrote them saw the trial as an opportunity to build an inroad with the black demographic against the common enemy, white Christians.**

    Unz has an article on the Leo Frank trial if you’re interested. It’s worth a read. If anything, it understates the evidence presented in the book as it is quite compelling. No wonder Amazon banned it. BTW, the book does not promote violence, so there was no legitimate reason to ban it other than the fact that it damaged domestic Jewish ethnic interests.

    You’ve already seen some of this deflection in the democratic presidential primary debates with candidate Andrew Yang, an ethnic Chinese. He claimed in the second debate that Russia was the nation’s greatest threat. That’s nonsense. China in the near future will easily be 10x the strategic, economic and cultural competitor that Russia will ever be. It was an obvious and uncomfortable deflection away from his ethnic group to another. Expect that trend to potentially accelerate after the democrats seize permanent control of the government and ruling class sometime after 2020. What mechanism is there to stop them?

    I know Anatoly has speculated that the current China / USA rivalry is likely now permanent, but I don’t see it that way. The democrats have repeatedly signaled a willingness to go back to business as usual. In the second democratic debate last year, nearly all the candidates opposed trade tariffs on China and deflected away to Russia on foreign policy. These people have one loyalty — to their bank accounts. I expect the Democrats, spurred on by a donor class that shares practically no loyalty to the working class, to largely reverse the tensions Trump has ratcheted up. That means more economic policies that enrich the corrupt ruling class to the nation’s geopolitical detriment — more outsourcing, and particularly in critical industries that relate to national defense and the economy***.

    The Chinese could easily exploit this vulnerability to affect a coup against their main rival. Perhaps there will be a counter-coup before 2040 or so by the American military to prevent this, but I think that is unlikely considering just how corrupt, inept, and politically correct it is.

    *Unlike other countries quarantined under Corona, the US has seen no similar patriotic singing or the like. A few celebrities tried creating a viral moment by posting themselves singing a classic John Lennon song, but it was widely mocked. The media has used every opportunity to undermine their implied ethnic enemies, the white republicans. The democrats are busy stuffing the aid bill with giveaways to their ethnic coalition like “diversity” requirements from companies in exchange for aid. The United States is a fragile domestic empire filled with various groups having practically no loyalty to each other and who take every opportunity to screw the other side over. Even in a time of relative crisis, they couldn’t come together. It will only get worse.

    **For a glimpse of the future, consider the extraordinary number of holocaust movies and books, along with media, depicting whites and their history as bad. I couldn’t even begin to list it all here. It’s extraordinary, and it disproportionately comes from the usual demographics.

    ***The United States is currently beholden to China for much of its pharmaceuticals, almost all the rare earth elements used in its tech industry, and many of the chemicals used in its military machine — 100% in some cases. If a war starts in the near future, the U.S. will find that it has so many shortages that it cannot be sustained. They will lose or give up. What will the democrats do about this? Probably nothing. Only under Trump has the U.S. funded domestic rare earth mining efforts to create an alternate supply chain, but that effort could easily be shelved in the next Biden administration. The man has already proved himself corrupt over the years by receiving large amounts of corporate campaign contributions and being connected to shady Ukraine deals.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
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    , @Mitleser
  158. @Divine Right

    American conflicts with Russia are based partly on self-serving fictions of the military industrial complex that need an enemy for their continued existence, as well as some more realistic conflicts involving Eastern Europe and rival interests over oil prices. The US need for hegemony, which is highly tied to the value of the dollar as a reserve currency, further thrusts this forward and center(and indeed, into conflict with China as well). This all is interminged with a generalized rejection of “authoritarian” governments.

    China, on the other hand, has no real current conflicts with Russia – most conflicts involve sales of weaponry and political influence over central Asian states, nothing of vast importance at least compared to being their the target of an enormous world-spanning sanctions order or a dedicated trade war.

    Your argument has the weird self-contradiction that the CCP both is supposedly the mind-controlling alien brain of all Asians, while at the same time, not actually benefiting from any specific conflict with Russia. This also ignores the fact that Asians tend to assimilate the highest by any population(at nearly 40% intermarriage in some segments, that Chinese students in particularly no longer tend to stay in the US(only 20% by 2017), and that a overwhelming part of the demographic increase by immigration is Indian with long historical and cultural rivalries with China. And far more than Chinese Americans, who often engage in racial masochism(witness Gordan Chang), Indian Americans are vastly more active and influential in American politics both due to cultural reasons as well as higher verbal IQ. This isn’t even hypothetical: Indian American political writers dominate National Interest articles stressing for more hawkish Chinese attitudes and were directly contributory to renaming the South China Seas conflict to the “Indo-Pacific region.”

    I do agree that the US has long since crippled its resource base. But there’s no evidence that Trump, or anyone else, is demonstrating the barest inkling of trying to resolve it(or that it is even possible, given the bueaucratic overload and red tape of regulations). Gould once described evolution as a “drunkard’s walk” between complexity, where organisms sometimes fall trapped inside rail tracks, unable to stumble out.

    The US seems well trapped in its rail tracks.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  159. @Daniel Chieh

    Indian American political writers dominate National Interest articles stressing for more hawkish Chinese attitudes and were directly contributory to renaming the South China Seas conflict to the “Indo-Pacific region.”

    Prime example Saagar Enjeti.

    • Replies: @neutral
  160. neutral says:
    @Blinky Bill

    This is just further proof that there is a growing Indian problem in America.

  161. @melanf

    But at least the Russian government shut it down, and ROC didn’t protest over it.

  162. Mitleser says:
    @Divine Right

    The United States government and significant portions of the population lobbied for entry into both world wars due mostly to ethnic allegiances; Britain spoke English and so did an American white population descended largely from that same group.

    The Americans did not show ethnic allegiance, though.
    For their support, the British had to accept selling their empire to them and subordination in the post-war era.

    China could only increase their influence in the US because it was not perceived as rival number one, and this image is harder and harder to maintain.

  163. Adûnâi says:
    @Epigon

    > “Generally, abysmal failures in private lives should be ignored and barred from presenting their “opinions”, on anything.”

    And how do you determine a person’s status as such a failure before the end of his life? Both Breivik and Tarrant had led quite insignificant lives before their deeds.

    > “…who unironically believe that anonymously chestbeating, spouting urapatriotic idiocies detached from reality and insisting on maximalist terms…”

    I would like to ask whether you are using the word “maximalist” in its erroneous Russian meaning here. FYI, Russians have a weird idiom “youthful maximalism” which they in their pseudoscientific thinking try to portray as a legitimate psychological term. IMO, if you are going for a pompous synonym to “extremism” or “principled”, “minimalism” would fit much better than the opposite.

    http://lurkmore.to/Юношеский_максимализм

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