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This is a reference list of recommendations for avoiding the warm and welcoming if overly suffocating embrace of Corona-chan.

Disclaimer: NOT MEDICAL ADVICE!

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Corona Survival Guide

Follow coronavirus news and be prepared to alter behavior

Note that I compiled a list of resources for tracking the pandemic. If your country/region is conscientious about testing, and there are no cases in your city/region, there’s no need to radically alter behavior.

Conversely, if/when it comes to your city or region, you need to start altering behavior.

Do not fear changing behavior out of a desire not to appear “weird” to normies. First, even for a young person, contracting SARS-CoV-2 is about as dangerous as taking 500 flights on a Boeing 737 MAX, so you’d want to avoid that if possible; and there is also a chance of long-term health impacts, such as lung scarring and male infertility. Do not let social hangups get in the way of your health. Second, it is highly contagious; on average, under “normal” conditions, one person infects three or four others (versus 1.3 for the flu). Third, containing an epidemic is a group effort. By social distancing, you will be doing your bit to lower r0 and “flatten the curve”. By wearing a face mask in public, you will be signaling that it is OK to do so and encouraging less courageous souls to don them as well. This translates into saving lives – it’s one of the most effortless “Effective Altruism” actions you can undertake.

If you are infected, don’t panic – it’s not the end of the world. If you’re young, you might have a rough month but you’ll almost certainly make it. Even if you’re in your 80s, you’re still more likely than not to win your game of Russian Roulette.

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Important Corona lore

Symptoms of COVID-19 may include, a fever, DRY cough, shortness of breath, and loss of sense of smell and taste.

In the event that you suspect you have COVID-19, self-isolate immediately and seek medical advice.

Although there’s uncertainty over this issue, it’s best to avoid taking ibuprofen if you are subscribed it for an ordinary fever – better suffer through that, than risk much worse effects if you actually have the coronavirus.

I need hardly tell my high IQ readers, but beware of miracle cures. Too often they turn out to be of dubious efficacy, if not downright snake oil. There are varying opinions on hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin treatment; all I will say is don’t experiment with self-medication unless you really know what you’re doing.

Transmission can occur through respiratory droplets (aerosols), contact with contaminated surfaces, and the fecal-oral route. It mainly, but not exclusively, occurs from symptomatic patients.

The main risk factor for COVID-19, superseding all others, is age. Other factors include tobacco usage, diabetes, and other serious medical conditions. If you fall into these elevated risk groups, approach self-isolation even more thoroughly than you would otherwise, and try to impose said restrictions on elderly relatives.

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Social distancing

Try to minimize your IRL contacts.

  • Work from home if possible – should be feasible for most office jobs!
  • Do your shopping online if possible.
  • Avoid large gatherings – Restaurants, clubs, gyms, shopping centers, sport events, ski resorts, protests, etc.
  • If IRL meetings unavoidable, no handshakes/hugs! Alternatives: Elbow bump; bowing; Vulkan greeting; Roman salute. 😉
  • Level up your hikikomori skills: Reading, workouts, e-learning, video games, Internet shitposting, etc.
  • General advice: Assume you are ALREADY INFECTED and act on that assumption.

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Hygiene & Behavior

  • Avoid touching your face. (Incidentally, face masks can help with this).
    • Try to avoid door knobs, railings, etc. to the extent possible. Simple expedient is to use your sleeves.
    • In particular, be wary of cell phones – coronavirus can survive up to 96 hours. If you’re constantly swiping on your cell phone, suggest regular disinfection with screen wipes.
  • Avoid people with signs of pneumonia (coughing, sneezing, etc.) and people not wearing face masks (where applicable).
  • Wash hands after restroom, meetings, and handling objects.
    • Vigorously wash for at least 20 seconds with soap and water.
    • No hard evidence that hand sanitizer is significantly more effective than soap, but use that if no faucet is available.
  • Don’t share food/drink, culinary items (cutlery, plates, mugs, etc) & personal hygiene items (towels, etc.) with other people.
  • Close toilet lid before flushing.
  • Make sure to get adequate fresh air and sunlight to reinforce your immune system.

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Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)

Contrary to Western officialdom until late March, masks do work. Japan avoided an Italy-scale outbreak just through the simple expedient of having most of the population wear them

Ideally, you’d want to wear an n95 (FFP3) respirator and airtight goggles when going outside, especially to indoors and potentially crowded locations such as supermarkets, clinics, and government offices. You don’t need many n95 respirators since they can be reused. Store them in a ziplock bag when between use, and isolate them for a few days at a time to kill off any coronavirus. (Place in oven at 70 C for 30 mins for quicker solution). Do also note that n95 respirators need to be airtight – that means they need to be properly put on (YouTube this), and you’ll need to remove any facial hair.

That said, even surgical masks are very effective (may even be reusable by soaking in 30w/v % salt solution).

Furthermore, as Scott Alexander points out, for n95 respirators to be more effective than surgical masks, you need to know how to put them on. Apparently, this is far from trivial; even the majority (65%) of healthcare workers fail at it, which is little different from the performance of the general public (76%). Although a poorly fit n95 respirator is, of course, still far superior to nothing, functionally it is nothing more than an expensive surgical mask.

Sadly, many countries dallied with building up face mask production capacity, so for many people acquiring the above items may not be feasible right now, due to price gouging or sheer unavailability.

Until that is fixed, I would strongly suggest figuring out a way to get homemade masks. Get grandma to sew you one (and a few more for herself and family/friends), or do it yourself.

Ultimately, even just wearing a scarf wrapped around your mouth and nose is far better than nothing.

If even that is not possible, at least have the common courtesy to sneeze/cough into your elbow when you have to.

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Life in the Age of the Plague

Having a stockpile of non-perishables on hand is a good idea, and is widely practiced amongst “preppers”, survivalists, and some religious communities like Mormons.

You don’t need many people to run the agriculture, food processing, and transport industries, so there shouldn’t be major shortages during epidemics except short-term ones borne out of panic hoarding. This makes life during epidemics more “comfortable” than during many other cataclysms, such as natural disasters or nuclear war.

However, there are still excellent reasons to get your supplies in on time – reducing grocery shop visits, which carry the risk of contagion and may even be restricted under especially severe lockdown conditions. Internet shopping will be no panacea either, since they companies will suddenly have an order of magnitude more customers spread out across a limited number of delivery people. As such, I recommend obtaining two weeks to a month’s worth of essentials, such as:

  • 20+ kg of carb staples (rice, pasta, buckwheat, etc) per person.
  • Frozen meat/fish (steak can be dry aged in the fridge).
  • Multiple bags of coffee and tea; bottled water, soda pop, alcohol, weed (if you’re into that), etc.
  • Stocks of vitamins.
  • Cleaning liquids, washing machine/dishwasher pellets, paper towels, and yes, toilet paper, I suppose – though why not get a shower bidet already, you filthy peasants.

Familiarize yourself with plague lore: The Decameron, Camus’ The Plague, and Stephen King’s classic, The Stand; Richard Preston on Corona-chan’s more bloodthirsty but impulsive sister, The Hot Zone; Russian cult classic video games Pathologic and the more recent Pathologic 2, as well as Plague Inc. video game; zombie movies (my favorite is REC); and Contagion, perhaps the most realistic movie on what a pandemic would look like.

Most importantly, follow the right protocols: Say a prayer to Papa Nurgle and poast “I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!” in the comments.

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Other Guides

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Speculative Suggestions

I haven’t seen these recommendations being made anywhere in particular – send feedback, may upgrade them to recommended suggestions if warranted (or delete them if not).

  • Avoid hand dryers. Actually, it’s good advice regardless – they’re disgusting. But coronavirus is also transmitted fecally, so you don’t want that shit-flecked air all over your hands. Just let them dry naturally if no paper towels.
  • Keto diet helps? (“Higher glucose concentrations induced a dose-specific increase in influenza infection. Linking influenza virus infection with glycolysis, we found that viral replication was significantly reduced after cells were treated with glycolytic inhibitors. Addition of extracellular ATP after glycolytic inhibition restored influenza infection. We also determined that higher levels of glucose promoted the assembly of the vacuolar-type ATPase within cells, and increased vacuolar-type ATPase proton-transport activity. The increase of viral infection via high glucose levels could be reversed by inhibition of the proton pump, linking glucose metabolism, vacuolar-type ATPase activity, and influenza viral infection.“)

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Since this blog post will be buried underneath future posts, I will also keep a duplicate at my website, which may be updated in the future: https://akarlin.com/corona-survival/

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

    If you are new to my work, start here.

    IMPORTANT NOTE: I’d prefer it if discussions here were devoted to discussing the contents and further suggestions. OT comments may be moderated. Since I want to ensure this is a reliable reference source, disinformation/Corona denial/etc. will be removed.

  2. For the record Russian health ministry recommends hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID patients.

    https://static-3.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/881/original/COVID19_recomend_v4.pdf

    So it’s not just some “miracle cure” that’s being promoted on the internet. It’s in international treatment guidelines for COVID-19.

    You don’t need many n95 masks since they can be reused. Store them in a ziplock bag when between use, and isolate them for a few days at a time to kill off any coronavirus. Place in oven at 70 C for 30 mins for quicker solution.

    That is a good tip. Can’t we use it for simple surgical masks? The virus is said to remain active on surfaces:
    – for up to a week at 20 C
    – only 5 minutes at 70 C

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Interesting, TIL. Anyhow, I moderated that statement - at the very least there appear to be serious proponents on both sides of that debate.
    , @Daniel.I
    A virus isn't alive, how the fuck can it be "active" ???
  3. @Felix Keverich
    For the record Russian health ministry recommends hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID patients.

    https://static-3.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/881/original/COVID19_recomend_v4.pdf

    So it's not just some "miracle cure" that's being promoted on the internet. It's in international treatment guidelines for COVID-19.

    You don’t need many n95 masks since they can be reused. Store them in a ziplock bag when between use, and isolate them for a few days at a time to kill off any coronavirus. Place in oven at 70 C for 30 mins for quicker solution.
     
    That is a good tip. Can't we use it for simple surgical masks? The virus is said to remain active on surfaces:
    - for up to a week at 20 C
    - only 5 minutes at 70 C

    Interesting, TIL. Anyhow, I moderated that statement – at the very least there appear to be serious proponents on both sides of that debate.

    • Replies: @Swarthy Greek
    Hydroxichloroquine apparently helps lower viral load according to French expert Didier Raoult. It’s not a miracle cure and won’t help treat severe cases in ICUs, but it’s cheap and available right now. The opponents of plaquenil seem to be motivated mostly by monetary considerations as the alternatives, Kaletra and Remdesivir are much more expensive, despite being just as unproven.
  4. Also on the table is the old stereotypical Amerind greeting “How!”

    The word “How” is a pop culture Anglicization of the Lakota word hau, a Lakota language greeting by men to men. The term how is often found in stereotypical and outdated depictions of Native Americans, made by non-Natives, in some Hollywood movies and various novels, e.g. those of James Fenimore Cooper or Karl May.

    • Replies: @A123

    Also on the table is the old stereotypical Amerind greeting “How!”
     
    If a SJW sub-group chooses self extermination over "How!" refusal, I am not going to cry over the reduced number of Low IQ snowflakes. There is only so much you can do to help those who are too stupid to survive.

    PEACE 😷
  5. @Anatoly Karlin
    Interesting, TIL. Anyhow, I moderated that statement - at the very least there appear to be serious proponents on both sides of that debate.

    Hydroxichloroquine apparently helps lower viral load according to French expert Didier Raoult. It’s not a miracle cure and won’t help treat severe cases in ICUs, but it’s cheap and available right now. The opponents of plaquenil seem to be motivated mostly by monetary considerations as the alternatives, Kaletra and Remdesivir are much more expensive, despite being just as unproven.

  6. The main risk factor for COVID-19, superseding all others, is age.

    I haven’t seen any good evidence yet that age by itself, in the absence of serious pre-existing conditions (or “comorbities”), is all that significant. According to the most detailed study I have seen — of 481 patients apparently randomly selected from the first 3,200 deaths in Italy — 98.8% had 1 or more “comorbities”, and the mean was 2.7 (1).

    Perhaps an extraordinarily high percentage of the elderly in Italy have 1 or more serious existing pre-conditions, in which case the fact that 99% of the deaths fall in this category would not be so significant, and age could thus indeed be the principal factor. But to show this one would need to have statistics relating to the distribution of pre-existing conditions among the elderly, which must exist somewhere but I haven’t come across.

    To date, approximately 14,000 have died in Italy from Covid-19. If the 98.8% figure for comorbities still holds, this would mean that approximately 170 “healthy” people have died thus far in Italy. The “elderly” (65+) population in Italy is 13 million. Let us assume that at least 25% have no serious pre-existing conditions — surely this must be a very conservative assumption. Even assuming that all of the 170 “healthy” dead were elderly, this would mean that a healthy elderly person in Italy would (thus far) have had a 0.005% (i.e. 0.00005) chance of falling dead from Covid-19, surely not an overwhelming risk.

    (1) https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes

    I haven’t seen any good evidence yet that age by itself, in the absence of serious pre-existing conditions (or “comorbi[di]ties”), is all that significant.
     
    There's pretty strong tendency evidence - easily strong enough to make the call that the under-70s age group have a comordbidity-agnostic CFR less than half of the 70+. And for under-50s, the CFR is almost not worth worrying about.

    At present it's necessary to make 'heroic' assumptions about the distribution of comorbidities by age group, and the deaths-with-comorbidities by age group.

    It's not stupid to assume that some key 'lifestyle' comorbidities (emphysema, cardio-vascular disease) increase with age; others (diabetes) might be more uniform.

    If you assume that death-with covid19[+n], n ≥ 0 is apportioned according to the guess about the age-prevalence of the main relevant comorbidities, you will get ZERO CFRs for "death-with covid19[+0]" for the entire under-70 population.

    I'm trying to get a handle on the distribution of key chronic illness by age group for Italy today; the data's not terrible, but you have to get it one age group at a time and one comorbidity at a time - for example from the ISS's CuoreData for CVD risk, and diabetes, one age group at a time... and it can't easily be automated (e.g., by a Python script). There's a tendency for publications on this stuff to be heavy on bullshit bad-cartoon pseudotables, and light on links to actual data tables... shit that looks like this ->

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/fo23udn2iu4mqqz/ItalyCVD35-69F.png?dl=1

    That's from a publication in the European Journal of Preventive Cardiology from 2015, and it looks like it was done by an 11 year old. The only thing that would make it worse is if they actually used Comic Sans.

    Anyhow... before bothering about age/comorbidity splits, age-cohort by itself is good enough to declare categorically that people under 50 can CTFD... here's the breakdown of CFR by age group, and deaths per million age-cohort-population, for Italian data as at March 30 (the latest at the time).

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7ithtic40cfg9z/Italy_CFR_vs_DPM.png?dl=1

    Notes:

    CTFD: Calm The Fuck Down
  7. If possible you need to have the webmaster increase your number of Front Page links. Threads started today have already rolled off.

    In particular, be wary of cell phones – coronavirus can survive up to 96 hours. If you’re constantly swiping on your cell phone, suggest regular disinfection with screen wipes.

    If you are exposing you cellphone in public this may be necessary.

    If the bulk of you cell phone use is in your personal controlled space, this level of care may be unnecessary.

    Citrus based cleaners + electronic screens = BAD

    Many screens have coatings such as anti-glare. You may escape one cleaning with a more aggressive product. However, over cleaning screens with the wrong products will damage them.

    Although there’s uncertainty over this issue, it’s best to avoid taking ibuprofen if you are subscribed it for an ordinary fever – better suffer through that, than risk much worse effects if you actually have the coronavirus.

    Pain causes its own set of complications and behaviours. If you will not use your hands to clean (e.g. arthritis + no ibuprofen) you are likely better off taking the pills.

    If your stomach can tolerate aspirin or acetaminophen, those are alternatives to ibuprofen. However, aspirin has its own set of side effects.
    _____

    If the materials in your N95 can take it. 120 seconds in a microwave will kill almost anything.

    WARNING: The top seal in some brands of N95 masks are metal. Do not attempt to microwave anything with metal components.
    _____

    No single set of recommendations can possibly work for all individuals. AK’s guide is a good starting point, but everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves and their families.

    STAY SAFE OUT THERE 😷

  8. @songbird
    Also on the table is the old stereotypical Amerind greeting "How!"

    The word "How" is a pop culture Anglicization of the Lakota word hau, a Lakota language greeting by men to men. The term how is often found in stereotypical and outdated depictions of Native Americans, made by non-Natives, in some Hollywood movies and various novels, e.g. those of James Fenimore Cooper or Karl May.
     

    Also on the table is the old stereotypical Amerind greeting “How!”

    If a SJW sub-group chooses self extermination over “How!” refusal, I am not going to cry over the reduced number of Low IQ snowflakes. There is only so much you can do to help those who are too stupid to survive.

    PEACE 😷

    • Agree: songbird
  9. Even the over eighty may take heart:

    “104-year-old WWII veteran recovers from COVID-19, celebrates birthday at the same time”.
    By Meaghan Wray Global News
    Posted April 2, 2020 3:01 pm:

    ‘A man celebrated his 104th birthday by becoming possibly the oldest person to recover from COVID-19.
    William Lapschies has been isolated in his room at the Edward C. Allworth Veterans’ Home in Lebanon, Ore., since he was diagnosed with the virus on March 5.
    He’s one of 15 residents to test positive at the seniors’ home; he was one of the first two cases at the residence.
    But on Wednesday, his loved ones received some incredible news. The Second World War veteran and birthday boy — who lived through the Spanish Flu, the Great Depression and multiple recessions — had fully recovered from COVID-19, according to a spokesperson, KOIN-TV reports.
    Though his family wasn’t allowed inside the facility, Lapschies’ family surprised him outside his home for a socially distant celebration.
    Aside from likely being the oldest coronavirus survivor, he was also one of the first Oregonians to contract the disease, daughter Carolee Brown told The Oregonian.
    “He is fully recovered. He is very perky,” Brown said. “And he is very excited.”
    @https://globalnews.ca/news/6768961/man-turns-104-recovers-coronavirus/

  10. I suspect leaving packets one takes from outside in the sunlight for a few hours before handling them further can help prevent infection (in addition to hand washing). Confirmation pending. Also, it’s best to wash one’s hands for many, many seconds and with plenty of soap, but even if one’s unbearably lazy, sloppy handwashing might still make a difference by reducing the amount of the virus that enters the body and therefore the severity of a possible illness. As with homemade masks, some protection/prevention is always, always better than none, if that’s not evident.

  11. I’ve seen several doctors who treat COVID patients say that everyone they know has been infected through being in close proximity to a Corona patient, and especially touching them. They are not aware of anyone who had been infected from touching a random surface.

    But these doctors are treating people who had been hospitalized, i.e. serious cases by definition. So does it mean that if you get the virus from touching a surface you’d only get mild symptoms or no symptoms? Judging by what they say about the importance of viral loads for the severity of the disease, it’s possible. Still, it’s a good idea to avoid touching stuff; because even if your own symptoms are mild (and in the end you get a free vaccination) you may infect someone else.

  12. @Felix Keverich
    For the record Russian health ministry recommends hydroxychloroquine for treating COVID patients.

    https://static-3.rosminzdrav.ru/system/attachments/attaches/000/049/881/original/COVID19_recomend_v4.pdf

    So it's not just some "miracle cure" that's being promoted on the internet. It's in international treatment guidelines for COVID-19.

    You don’t need many n95 masks since they can be reused. Store them in a ziplock bag when between use, and isolate them for a few days at a time to kill off any coronavirus. Place in oven at 70 C for 30 mins for quicker solution.
     
    That is a good tip. Can't we use it for simple surgical masks? The virus is said to remain active on surfaces:
    - for up to a week at 20 C
    - only 5 minutes at 70 C

    A virus isn’t alive, how the fuck can it be “active” ???

    • Replies: @lauris71
    Functional receptors for binding onto your cell, intact membrane and RNA/protein complex inside. The attack happens by many complex chemical systems working in cohesion so if any of them is damaged nothing happens (other that the virion will eventually be eaten by macrophage). Biochemists call even single proteins (like enzymes) as active if they are able to perform intended chemical or mechanical role.
    Membrane viruses are very fragile - breaking membrane (what soap does) simply scatters proteins and RNA into solution. Although the RNA is technically still able to infect cell it cannot enter by itself. Capside viruses (like smallpox) are completely different beast - they can remain virulent for years but fortunately our corona-chan is of the former type.
  13. @Daniel.I
    A virus isn't alive, how the fuck can it be "active" ???

    Functional receptors for binding onto your cell, intact membrane and RNA/protein complex inside. The attack happens by many complex chemical systems working in cohesion so if any of them is damaged nothing happens (other that the virion will eventually be eaten by macrophage). Biochemists call even single proteins (like enzymes) as active if they are able to perform intended chemical or mechanical role.
    Membrane viruses are very fragile – breaking membrane (what soap does) simply scatters proteins and RNA into solution. Although the RNA is technically still able to infect cell it cannot enter by itself. Capside viruses (like smallpox) are completely different beast – they can remain virulent for years but fortunately our corona-chan is of the former type.

  14. That Roman Salute thingy doesn’t go over so well in parts of Europe. I just give a friendly wave of the hand.

    • LOL: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Leonard_Nimoy_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg/679px-Leonard_Nimoy_by_Gage_Skidmore_2.jpg
  15. @The Alarmist
    That Roman Salute thingy doesn’t go over so well in parts of Europe. I just give a friendly wave of the hand.


    https://faktenfaktenfaktenfaktenfakten.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/winken.png

    • Thanks: The Alarmist
    • LOL: Rosie
  16. Over-the-counter painkillers, especially NSAIDS, should be avoided at this time.

    -NSAIDS inhibit antibody production
    -Ibuprofen additionally upregulates ACE2 expression
    -Acetaminophen/paracetamol depletes glutathione

    If you require painkillers and are unable to obtain opiods the least harmful choice is acetaminophen (Tylenol). Pair it with n-acetyl cysteine (NAC), which inhibits hepatoxicity and helps prevent glutathione depletion as it is the precursor for the body’s production of glutathione. You can also take liposomal glutathione directly and supplement glycine.

    Tobacco upregulates ACE2 expression, which was the original reason for Lance Welton’s galaxy-brained take that whites are immune. The mechanism appears to be from nicotine, so smokeless tobacco is in this case not a safe alternative. Smoking is also immunosuppressive to begin with. That said data show that former smokers are more vulnerable than current smokers. Take that with a grain of salt however as perhaps former smokers in Wuhan are older and have more comorbidities like emphysema and lung cancer.

    This is not the time to engage in fasting beyond the standard 16/8 IF protocol. While fasting ultimately boosts your immune system, while you fast white blood cell production is inhibited.

    I also endorse the keto diet suggestion, but if you’re not willing to do that just avoid sugar. Sugar is strongly immunosuppressive, but starch is not.

    Nutraceuticals supplementation guide: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0033062020300372

    Note that boosting the type 1 interferon response, while broadly positive, can also contribute to the dreaded CYTOKINE STORM. A way to limit this possibility (if the virus evolves to cause this in the second and third wave) is avoidance of polyunsaturated fatty acid body composition. Note that it’s not just sufficient to avoid consumption–you must deplete your body’s existing stores of PUFA. This is something everyone should be doing anyway, so now is a great time to start.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  17. I should add the fresh air and sunlight are your friends.

    During the Spanish Flu hospitals were then as today overwhelmed. Many countries resorted to improvised tent hospitals in open fields. Those treated outdoors had a lower mortality rate and recovered faster.

    British research in the 1960s found that microbes die faster in fresh air for unknown reasons. Probably ozone and sunlight.

    The sun, contrary to being something that is to be avoided at all costs, is recommended for health. Not only for vitamin D, but many other processes in the body. Germane to this particular pandemic is that sun exposure upregulates the body’s production of nitric oxide, and nitric oxide inhibits the replication cycle of the virus. You can also increase your body’s nitric oxide with supplementation of citrulline (or arginine). Beets are also good for this.

    One positive change I’ve seen locally is that people do a lot more walking outside now to relieve boredom. It used to just be me.

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    And if you can't stand raw beets, then make them into beet chips via a food dehydrator or an equivalent. Beet chips are delicious.
  18. @Thorfinnsson
    I should add the fresh air and sunlight are your friends.

    During the Spanish Flu hospitals were then as today overwhelmed. Many countries resorted to improvised tent hospitals in open fields. Those treated outdoors had a lower mortality rate and recovered faster.

    British research in the 1960s found that microbes die faster in fresh air for unknown reasons. Probably ozone and sunlight.

    The sun, contrary to being something that is to be avoided at all costs, is recommended for health. Not only for vitamin D, but many other processes in the body. Germane to this particular pandemic is that sun exposure upregulates the body's production of nitric oxide, and nitric oxide inhibits the replication cycle of the virus. You can also increase your body's nitric oxide with supplementation of citrulline (or arginine). Beets are also good for this.

    One positive change I've seen locally is that people do a lot more walking outside now to relieve boredom. It used to just be me.

    And if you can’t stand raw beets, then make them into beet chips via a food dehydrator or an equivalent. Beet chips are delicious.

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Beet powder is also widely available since it's consumed by a lot of athletes. I supplement citrulline directly prior to lifting since I follow the lean gains protocol (requires fasted training), but a lot of athletes prefer beets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/rf-buying-guides/best-beet-powders-reviews

    If any of you older men suffer from ED this may help you as well. Though you can always simply order generic viagra or cialis from alldaychemist.com.
  19. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
    And if you can't stand raw beets, then make them into beet chips via a food dehydrator or an equivalent. Beet chips are delicious.

    Beet powder is also widely available since it’s consumed by a lot of athletes. I supplement citrulline directly prior to lifting since I follow the lean gains protocol (requires fasted training), but a lot of athletes prefer beets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/rf-buying-guides/best-beet-powders-reviews

    If any of you older men suffer from ED this may help you as well. Though you can always simply order generic viagra or cialis from alldaychemist.com.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I've made converts out of those that swore that they "hated beets." Why would anybody pay $32.99 for a three pack of 16 oz. beet powder when you can get perfectly good fresh beets for .99 cents a lb.? Also, beet salads are great too, where I add in some of Dave's hot pickles for a little extra zing. I'm eating more borshch lately and upping my garlic intake too, I've never felt better!

    https://www.rednumberone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WEB_DSC_0318_20170302_170302-2.jpg

    or:

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UB8AAOSwIZJeOvhN/s-l1600.jpg

    Nice to see that you're back (I thought that it was odd that you didn't chime in for Karlin's recent thread about coffee infused steak?). :-)

  20. @Thorfinnsson
    Beet powder is also widely available since it's consumed by a lot of athletes. I supplement citrulline directly prior to lifting since I follow the lean gains protocol (requires fasted training), but a lot of athletes prefer beets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/rf-buying-guides/best-beet-powders-reviews

    If any of you older men suffer from ED this may help you as well. Though you can always simply order generic viagra or cialis from alldaychemist.com.

    I’ve made converts out of those that swore that they “hated beets.” Why would anybody pay $32.99 for a three pack of 16 oz. beet powder when you can get perfectly good fresh beets for .99 cents a lb.? Also, beet salads are great too, where I add in some of Dave’s hot pickles for a little extra zing. I’m eating more borshch lately and upping my garlic intake too, I’ve never felt better!

    or:


    Nice to see that you’re back (I thought that it was odd that you didn’t chime in for Karlin’s recent thread about coffee infused steak?). 🙂

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    I've been waiting for an open thread to discuss Tesla, but this hasn't been forthcoming.

    I decided it was irresponsible to keep waiting in light of the current crisis where every man must do his duty.

    I don't personally purchase beet powder and will not advise you to do so, but obviously the advantage is convenience. Note also that 16 ounces of beet powder is not equivalent to a pound of beets because the beets contain a lot water.

    One dehydrated food powder product I do enjoy using is beef liver. I can tolerate eating beef liver, but I'll never love it. Easier to just use the powder from time to time.
  21. @Mr. Hack
    I've made converts out of those that swore that they "hated beets." Why would anybody pay $32.99 for a three pack of 16 oz. beet powder when you can get perfectly good fresh beets for .99 cents a lb.? Also, beet salads are great too, where I add in some of Dave's hot pickles for a little extra zing. I'm eating more borshch lately and upping my garlic intake too, I've never felt better!

    https://www.rednumberone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/WEB_DSC_0318_20170302_170302-2.jpg

    or:

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UB8AAOSwIZJeOvhN/s-l1600.jpg

    Nice to see that you're back (I thought that it was odd that you didn't chime in for Karlin's recent thread about coffee infused steak?). :-)

    I’ve been waiting for an open thread to discuss Tesla, but this hasn’t been forthcoming.

    I decided it was irresponsible to keep waiting in light of the current crisis where every man must do his duty.

    I don’t personally purchase beet powder and will not advise you to do so, but obviously the advantage is convenience. Note also that 16 ounces of beet powder is not equivalent to a pound of beets because the beets contain a lot water.

    One dehydrated food powder product I do enjoy using is beef liver. I can tolerate eating beef liver, but I’ll never love it. Easier to just use the powder from time to time.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious, just how many servings per 16 oz bag?

    Whenever I make borshch (no "T" on the end) I make enough for two people for at least 3 days. If I'm more energetic I'll make a pot for a whole week. The nice thing about borshch is that it gets better with daily aging.

    I share your feelings about liver, and like to eat it (smothered in sauted onions) about once every three months. I always knew that it was a great source for Vitamin B, but I looked it up once at my go to website for nutritional value http://www.whfoods.org/, where they used to have an entry for beef liver. The accompanying nutritional chart blew me away - beef liver is a super-food excelling most anything else by far! They no longer include beef liver, as apparently the food police (that you've railed against in the past) have got to them. Needless to say, I seldom visit that site anymore.

  22. @Thorfinnsson
    I've been waiting for an open thread to discuss Tesla, but this hasn't been forthcoming.

    I decided it was irresponsible to keep waiting in light of the current crisis where every man must do his duty.

    I don't personally purchase beet powder and will not advise you to do so, but obviously the advantage is convenience. Note also that 16 ounces of beet powder is not equivalent to a pound of beets because the beets contain a lot water.

    One dehydrated food powder product I do enjoy using is beef liver. I can tolerate eating beef liver, but I'll never love it. Easier to just use the powder from time to time.

    I’m curious, just how many servings per 16 oz bag?

    Whenever I make borshch (no “T” on the end) I make enough for two people for at least 3 days. If I’m more energetic I’ll make a pot for a whole week. The nice thing about borshch is that it gets better with daily aging.

    I share your feelings about liver, and like to eat it (smothered in sauted onions) about once every three months. I always knew that it was a great source for Vitamin B, but I looked it up once at my go to website for nutritional value http://www.whfoods.org/, where they used to have an entry for beef liver. The accompanying nutritional chart blew me away – beef liver is a super-food excelling most anything else by far! They no longer include beef liver, as apparently the food police (that you’ve railed against in the past) have got to them. Needless to say, I seldom visit that site anymore.

    • Replies: @AP

    I share your feelings about liver
     
    Oddly enough, seal steaks have a liver rather than a steak taste.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    I don't know how many servings are in a 16 ounce portion of beet powder since I've never bought it.

    But consider that humans are said to be 70% water. What's the figure for beets? 80%?

    So perhaps 16 ounces of beet powder is equivalent to five pounds of beets.

    I love borscht myself but don't make it often since I am not slavic.
    , @JL
    This is correct, beef liver, by weight, is likely the world's most nutritious food for humans. Unfortunately, I personally can't stand the taste of it. This is the first I've heard of powder, that's a great idea.
  23. @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious, just how many servings per 16 oz bag?

    Whenever I make borshch (no "T" on the end) I make enough for two people for at least 3 days. If I'm more energetic I'll make a pot for a whole week. The nice thing about borshch is that it gets better with daily aging.

    I share your feelings about liver, and like to eat it (smothered in sauted onions) about once every three months. I always knew that it was a great source for Vitamin B, but I looked it up once at my go to website for nutritional value http://www.whfoods.org/, where they used to have an entry for beef liver. The accompanying nutritional chart blew me away - beef liver is a super-food excelling most anything else by far! They no longer include beef liver, as apparently the food police (that you've railed against in the past) have got to them. Needless to say, I seldom visit that site anymore.

    I share your feelings about liver

    Oddly enough, seal steaks have a liver rather than a steak taste.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    I've never had the "pleasure?" Eskimos include a lot of seal meat within their diet, and they live a long time. Plenty of Omega 3, so it must be good for your heart. I know that you like visiting the Scandinavian countries and that you live close to the Canadian border, and am guessing that somewhere in-between is where you've acquired a taste for this form of exotica?...
  24. @AP

    I share your feelings about liver
     
    Oddly enough, seal steaks have a liver rather than a steak taste.

    I’ve never had the “pleasure?” Eskimos include a lot of seal meat within their diet, and they live a long time. Plenty of Omega 3, so it must be good for your heart. I know that you like visiting the Scandinavian countries and that you live close to the Canadian border, and am guessing that somewhere in-between is where you’ve acquired a taste for this form of exotica?…

    • Replies: @AP
    I tried seal steak in a village not far from the Quebec coast a couple of years ago. Epic road trip.
  25. @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious, just how many servings per 16 oz bag?

    Whenever I make borshch (no "T" on the end) I make enough for two people for at least 3 days. If I'm more energetic I'll make a pot for a whole week. The nice thing about borshch is that it gets better with daily aging.

    I share your feelings about liver, and like to eat it (smothered in sauted onions) about once every three months. I always knew that it was a great source for Vitamin B, but I looked it up once at my go to website for nutritional value http://www.whfoods.org/, where they used to have an entry for beef liver. The accompanying nutritional chart blew me away - beef liver is a super-food excelling most anything else by far! They no longer include beef liver, as apparently the food police (that you've railed against in the past) have got to them. Needless to say, I seldom visit that site anymore.

    I don’t know how many servings are in a 16 ounce portion of beet powder since I’ve never bought it.

    But consider that humans are said to be 70% water. What’s the figure for beets? 80%?

    So perhaps 16 ounces of beet powder is equivalent to five pounds of beets.

    I love borscht myself but don’t make it often since I am not slavic.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    Easy recipe for six large servings, average sized cooking pot:

    6 small country style ribs
    2 good sized beets (3 smaller ones)
    3 large carrots
    1/2 cabbage (either green or red)
    2 medium potatoes
    1 can V-8 juice
    1 onion
    1 can kidney beans (drained)

    1)Cover ribs with water, add some large whole black peppers and 3-4 bay leaves, bring to a simmer.
    2) Add in "zasmashka*"
    3) cut up remaining beets into mouth size pieces and add to ribs at the bottom of the pot
    4) Start adding the V-8 juice.
    5) After 10 minutes, add in leftover carrots also cutup into mouth size pieces.
    5) Repeat with potatoes, you guessed it, in mouth sized pieces.
    6) Add in leftover cabbage shredded nicely.
    7) Any time towards the end, add in a can of the beans.
    8) garnish at the end with nicely minced dill, sour cream, and dark crusty bread and cloves of garlic

    *zasmashka - thick grate 1 beet, 1 carrot, 1/4 cabbage and 1 chopped onion and fry up on pan. Mix and transfer to cooking pot when through. This is the most labor intensive part of the whole process.

    Play around with it. Typically, I also like to cut up and include one hot chili pepper to the pot, for that extra oomph. Now, you too can begin to think and act like a real Ukrainian kozak - Smachnoho!
  26. @Mr. Hack
    I've never had the "pleasure?" Eskimos include a lot of seal meat within their diet, and they live a long time. Plenty of Omega 3, so it must be good for your heart. I know that you like visiting the Scandinavian countries and that you live close to the Canadian border, and am guessing that somewhere in-between is where you've acquired a taste for this form of exotica?...

    I tried seal steak in a village not far from the Quebec coast a couple of years ago. Epic road trip.

  27. @Thorfinnsson
    I don't know how many servings are in a 16 ounce portion of beet powder since I've never bought it.

    But consider that humans are said to be 70% water. What's the figure for beets? 80%?

    So perhaps 16 ounces of beet powder is equivalent to five pounds of beets.

    I love borscht myself but don't make it often since I am not slavic.

    Easy recipe for six large servings, average sized cooking pot:

    6 small country style ribs
    2 good sized beets (3 smaller ones)
    3 large carrots
    1/2 cabbage (either green or red)
    2 medium potatoes
    1 can V-8 juice
    1 onion
    1 can kidney beans (drained)

    1)Cover ribs with water, add some large whole black peppers and 3-4 bay leaves, bring to a simmer.
    2) Add in “zasmashka*”
    3) cut up remaining beets into mouth size pieces and add to ribs at the bottom of the pot
    4) Start adding the V-8 juice.
    5) After 10 minutes, add in leftover carrots also cutup into mouth size pieces.
    5) Repeat with potatoes, you guessed it, in mouth sized pieces.
    6) Add in leftover cabbage shredded nicely.
    7) Any time towards the end, add in a can of the beans.
    8) garnish at the end with nicely minced dill, sour cream, and dark crusty bread and cloves of garlic

    *zasmashka – thick grate 1 beet, 1 carrot, 1/4 cabbage and 1 chopped onion and fry up on pan. Mix and transfer to cooking pot when through. This is the most labor intensive part of the whole process.

    Play around with it. Typically, I also like to cut up and include one hot chili pepper to the pot, for that extra oomph. Now, you too can begin to think and act like a real Ukrainian kozak – Smachnoho!

    • Replies: @Rosie
    That sounds amazing. I love beets, but I never have them because Mr. Rosie says they "taste like dirt." WTF?
  28. I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

  29. @Mr. Hack
    I'm curious, just how many servings per 16 oz bag?

    Whenever I make borshch (no "T" on the end) I make enough for two people for at least 3 days. If I'm more energetic I'll make a pot for a whole week. The nice thing about borshch is that it gets better with daily aging.

    I share your feelings about liver, and like to eat it (smothered in sauted onions) about once every three months. I always knew that it was a great source for Vitamin B, but I looked it up once at my go to website for nutritional value http://www.whfoods.org/, where they used to have an entry for beef liver. The accompanying nutritional chart blew me away - beef liver is a super-food excelling most anything else by far! They no longer include beef liver, as apparently the food police (that you've railed against in the past) have got to them. Needless to say, I seldom visit that site anymore.

    This is correct, beef liver, by weight, is likely the world’s most nutritious food for humans. Unfortunately, I personally can’t stand the taste of it. This is the first I’ve heard of powder, that’s a great idea.

    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    Actually, drinking liver down in a powdered concoction sounds more yucky than eating it (smothered in onions and mashed potatoes) to me. Are you old enough to remember tang - it's what spacemen drank during their trips into outer space).
  30. @JL
    This is correct, beef liver, by weight, is likely the world's most nutritious food for humans. Unfortunately, I personally can't stand the taste of it. This is the first I've heard of powder, that's a great idea.

    Actually, drinking liver down in a powdered concoction sounds more yucky than eating it (smothered in onions and mashed potatoes) to me. Are you old enough to remember tang – it’s what spacemen drank during their trips into outer space).

    • Replies: @JL
    Who said anything about drinking it?! Yes, I am old enough to remember Tang, absolutely putrid stuff.
    , @Thorfinnsson
    The powder is bland and inoffensive. It doesn't mix well, but that doesn't matter much since you drink it quickly. Beef liver powder is also available encapsulated, and liver pills were an old favorite of golden age weight lifters like Jack LaLanne.

    See Jack LaLanne's 1984 interview in Playboy: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=365365.0


    Q1 Playboy: What incredible feat are you planning to do to celebrate turning 70?

    Jack La Lanne: I'm planning to swim underwater from Catalina Island to Los Angeles. That's 26 miles. I'll do it in less than 24 hours. But what I really wanted to do was carry a 350-pound bar bell on my shoulders down Hollywood Boulevard to protest all the male and female prostitution, all the dope and crap. I wanted to show people that there are better things in life, that you can be fit at any age.
     
    http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jack-lalanne.jpg

    https://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/chad-meme-800x458.png
  31. @Mr. Hack
    Actually, drinking liver down in a powdered concoction sounds more yucky than eating it (smothered in onions and mashed potatoes) to me. Are you old enough to remember tang - it's what spacemen drank during their trips into outer space).

    Who said anything about drinking it?! Yes, I am old enough to remember Tang, absolutely putrid stuff.

  32. @Mr. Hack
    Actually, drinking liver down in a powdered concoction sounds more yucky than eating it (smothered in onions and mashed potatoes) to me. Are you old enough to remember tang - it's what spacemen drank during their trips into outer space).

    The powder is bland and inoffensive. It doesn’t mix well, but that doesn’t matter much since you drink it quickly. Beef liver powder is also available encapsulated, and liver pills were an old favorite of golden age weight lifters like Jack LaLanne.

    See Jack LaLanne’s 1984 interview in Playboy: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=365365.0

    Q1 Playboy: What incredible feat are you planning to do to celebrate turning 70?

    Jack La Lanne: I’m planning to swim underwater from Catalina Island to Los Angeles. That’s 26 miles. I’ll do it in less than 24 hours. But what I really wanted to do was carry a 350-pound bar bell on my shoulders down Hollywood Boulevard to protest all the male and female prostitution, all the dope and crap. I wanted to show people that there are better things in life, that you can be fit at any age.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
    • Replies: @Mr. Hack
    As a little kid, I remember watching Jack, he did some incredible things. My computer's virus protection software wont allow me to access the link that you posted. Did Jack forego eating beef liver in favor of the capsules? Did he regularly imbibe in the pills? Are they good as a "pick me up", how do you feel after you take them?
  33. @Thorfinnsson
    The powder is bland and inoffensive. It doesn't mix well, but that doesn't matter much since you drink it quickly. Beef liver powder is also available encapsulated, and liver pills were an old favorite of golden age weight lifters like Jack LaLanne.

    See Jack LaLanne's 1984 interview in Playboy: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=365365.0


    Q1 Playboy: What incredible feat are you planning to do to celebrate turning 70?

    Jack La Lanne: I'm planning to swim underwater from Catalina Island to Los Angeles. That's 26 miles. I'll do it in less than 24 hours. But what I really wanted to do was carry a 350-pound bar bell on my shoulders down Hollywood Boulevard to protest all the male and female prostitution, all the dope and crap. I wanted to show people that there are better things in life, that you can be fit at any age.
     
    http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/jack-lalanne.jpg

    https://files.rightwingwatch.org/uploads/chad-meme-800x458.png

    As a little kid, I remember watching Jack, he did some incredible things. My computer’s virus protection software wont allow me to access the link that you posted. Did Jack forego eating beef liver in favor of the capsules? Did he regularly imbibe in the pills? Are they good as a “pick me up”, how do you feel after you take them?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson


    Did Jack forego eating beef liver in favor of the capsules? Did he regularly imbibe in the pills?
     
    I don't know whether or not he avoided eating beef liver, but he took the pills as a workout supplement. This was common to power lifters and bodybuilders of his generation like Vince Gironda, Steve Reeves, Dave Draper (still alive and still yoked), etc.


    Are they good as a “pick me up”, how do you feel after you take them?
     
    They're probably good as a pick me up if you're deficient in micronutrients. I'm not deficient so I feel nothing in particular.

    Warning to everyone: vitamin A (retinol), while essential to human health, builds up in the body and can become toxic. So while it's great to eat liver don't go crazy either!

    Entire interview:



    The elder statesman of fitness on his workout (ugh!), nutritional breakfasts (yuck!), gays (gulp!) and better sex (aah!). Physical fitness has America in an iron grip. With that in mind, we asked Contributing Editor David Rensin to speak with one of the few legends of health-and-body conditioning and the founder of the modern-day health salon, Jack La Lanne, on the eve of his 70th birthday.

    "When the interview began in La Lanne's living room at 8:30 A.M., he had already been awake for five hours. He'd exercised, had breakfast and donned a red jump suit."Most people know La Lanne only from his TV show. It's the least of his achievements. On each birthday, La Lanne performs a muscle-numbing feat. At 45, he did 1000 push-ups and 1000 chin-ups in an hour and 22 minutes. At 60, he swam from Alcatraz to Fisherman's Wharf--handcuffed, shackled and towing a 1000-pound boat. At 66, La Lanne swam more than a mile--handcuffed, feet shackled, towing ten boats carrying 77 people. In 48 minutes."Most of us have trouble just turning on a tape recorder. Happy birthday, Jack."

    Q1 Playboy: What incredible feat are you planning to do to celebrate turning 70?

    Jack La Lanne: I'm planning to swim underwater from Catalina Island to Los Angeles. That's 26 miles. I'll do it in less than 24 hours. But what I really wanted to do was carry a 350-pound bar bell on my shoulders down Hollywood Boulevard to protest all the male and female prostitution, all the dope and crap. I wanted to show people that there are better things in life, that you can be fit at any age. Can you imagine 350 pounds on your back for half an hour? All your muscles contract simultaneously. That's plain pain. And I would challenge anyone in the world to do that and give him $10,000 if he did. But I can't do it now. Some kid hit my new Porsche 924 head on. About $15,000 damage. I had to have surgery on my knee to take cartilage out, and that took care of that. But I got a new Porsche 944 recently. It's a pistol. I had it up to 130 the other day.

    Q2 Playboy: Why do you often handcuff and shackle yourself for your swims?

    Use it or lose it, I say Lanne: Because it makes them ten times more difficult. Otherwise, anyone would be doing these things.

    Q3 Playboy: What's your secret? Wheaties?

    Lanne: Sometimes I have a Jack La Lanne Diet Shake, a product I've had out for about 20 years now. Or one of the five Jack La Lanne breakfast cereals. They're all natural grains--no white sugar, no white flour, no salt, no fats. I'm more and more into grains these days; also raw fish. I eat sashimi almost every day--though not for breakfast. But mainly, I have about 400 vitamin supplements for breakfast right after I work out.

    I put them in a blender and make a high-protein drink. I use a quart of carrot and celery juice, half and half, then put in two heaping tablespoons of wheat germ, two more of nonfat-milk solids, two more of high-strain brewers' yeast, then a heaping tablespoon of bone meal and a banana. Then I put in 100 liver-yeast tablets, 15,000 milligrams of vitamin C, 2000 units of B, some boron and some zinc; also 75 alfalfa-and-kelp tablets. Then I blend it and drink it. It's one of the worst-tasting health drinks you could have, but I still drink it, because it's the perfect breakfast. It's got about 40 grams of protein, all the B-complex vitamins, everything that's natural from the carrot and celery juices, the enzymes, the trace elements, calcium and potassium from the bone meal. And it's very low in calories. After you work out like me, you're not hungry; you're thirsty.

    Q4 Playboy: What are your workouts like?

    Lanne: I believe in vigorous, violent, daily, systematic exercise to the point of muscle failure. I'm usually up each day at 3:30 A.M. I hit the gym at four A.M. I'm out at 6:30 A.M. I do it seven days a week and have ever since I can remember. Sometimes I hit the gym without having gotten any sleep, like when I've done a lecture or a seminar. My top priority in life is my workout. Regardless of what happens, I hit that gym. Even when I was in the hospital twice with serious knee operations: Right after I came out of anesthesia, there was a chin bar over my head and dumbbells. I worked out immediately.

    It's very easy to rationalize, however, and say, "What the hell. I didn't get enough sleep" or "I'm too busy" or "I've got this little ache or pain." That's all bullcrap. You do it. It's tough. It's hard. I'd rather take a beating sometimes than get in that gym every morning. Anyone who gets up that early and says he likes it is a goddamned liar. The only good thing about it is that when I'm finished, I look at myself in the mirror and say, "Jack, you've done it again!" I've won another battle over myself, and that's what it's all about: conquering me. If I didn't do it, I'd be lying to myself. If I lie to me, I lie to you and wreck everything that Jack La Lanne stands for. If I'm not an example of my philosophy, it sure isn't going to turn anyone else on. That's why Jesus made such a big impact. He practiced what he preached. He also did miracles to call attention to his philosophies. That's why I do incredible things on my birthdays.

    Q5 Playboy: Do you consider sex an exercise?

    Lanne: Absolutely. What's more physical? We're sensuous creatures. Sex is the greatest driving force on this planet. Christ, why are we living if we can't have a little fun?

    Sex is giving, and the more you give, the better lover you are. But if you don't have it to give, well, that's why physical fitness is so great. What group of people are the sexiest of all these days? Athletes! They've got the health, the energy; they can give of themselves. And if you love sex, you've got to have something to give. Look, if you're sick, are you thinking of sex? That's what I try to tell the guys. Some have three or four extra inches on their waistline, yet they like to be proud of themselves in the sack. I say, "Look, for every two inches you take off up there, it makes your business down there look an inch longer. Isn't everything relative? If you have a six-inch tool and a 50-inch waistline, the thing doesn't look very big, does it?" That's my incentive.It's simple: You've got to appeal to the pride in people. When a woman is flabby and soft, she's unattractive. When you married a beautiful girl and all of a sudden you start seeing her tits down to here and her breath stinks and she's not clean anymore and has no pride in herself, you can't love her. You may bullshit yourself, but you can't. Energy makes people beautiful. That's what charisma is. You don't want to be close to someone who is dead and crapped out all the time, who's bitching that it's a lousy fucking world and "Christ, my ulcers are killing me." Maybe 50 or 60 percent of all divorces are predicated on someone's being physically unfit. Who wants to live with negativism? Love goes out the window.

    Q6 Playboy: Are all kinds of sex healthy?

    Lanne: It's up to the individual. Sex has to do with imagination, so the sky is the limit. If you're not doing bodily harm, why shouldn't you do what turns you on? I'm not a prude who thinks everything should be done the Jack La Lanne way. All I want you to do is follow my method of fitness: Eat properly. Think right. Exercise more. What you do with your new-found energy and vitality is your own business.

    Q7 Playboy: Is sex still good at 70?

    Lanne: The biggest bunch of bullshit is that it's not. Use it or lose it, I say. I've got friends who are 70, 80, 90, and, Christ, they're horny bastards. Three or four times a week is nothing to them.

    Q8 Playboy: By now, you've probably seen all the health-and-fitness videos put out by such people as Jane Fonda, Richard Simmons and Debbie Reynolds. Would you care to offer a quick critique?

    Lanne: They're all about the same; they're all jumping around. Some of it's good; some of it's bad. But 90 percent of the exercises in those things are for your calves. There's too much stretching for the lower back and calves while ignoring the rest of you. What are they doing for your shoulders, arms, chest, waist?

    Now, I'm going to be coming out with ten audio-visual tapes for home consumption. They'll be good ones. They'll concentrate on all the problem areas. I'll do one for kids, one for executives, a motivational tape, one on nutrition.

    I've just built a television studio in my new home in Morro Bay. I'm going to do a syndicated show from there called Jack La Lanne and Friends. I'll get celebrities like Bob Hope and Phyllis Diller, big sports celebrities, anyone who's recognizable. I'll put people up overnight at my home. I have a maid who will take care of their food and drinks. Then we'll shoot a show together, a real comprehensive thing. I'll find out what they're having for breakfast, lunch and dinner, what their exercise habits are, their sex habits, their hobbies, their problems. And then I'll give them an exercise for their problem areas and get them right there on the floor exercising with me. And I'll recommend what foods they should eat: a real in-depth thing.

    Q9 Playboy: For most people, food equals pleasure. Yet diet programs usually leave you hungry, and it's difficult to stick to a diet when you go to a restaurant. What do you eat when you eat out?

    Lanne: I've never told my stomach I'm a poor man. Lots of my contemporaries go into a restaurant and figure they can cheat just this one time. What the hell, they don't want to bother anyone. Not me. I call over the chef or the maitre d'. I ask for the right food and he respects me for it. Some people complain about taste. They'll look at a squid and go, "God!" So they eat chicken. But chickens are some of the world's filthiest creatures. They eat anything. I lived on a ranch as a kid. When the sheep died, they'd get maggots. We'd throw the carcasses into the chicken yard, and within two hours they'd be down to the bone. The pigs would defecate and the chickens would eat it up! But people love chicken. So the chickens I eat are organically grown with special care. I know the source of everything I eat.

    Q10 Playboy: Lots of people work out during the week; then, on weekends, they do drugs, drink wine and indulge in vigorous self-abuse. Are they just fooling themselves? Is there a wine that goes well with wheat germ, so to speak?

    Lanne: They've earned the right. It's just like, goddamn, if you write a check for $1000 but have only $500 in the bank, you're bankrupt. But if you have $5000 in the bank, you can afford it. Who are the greatest dissipaters in the world? Professional athletes. They're in such good shape that they can drink, they can screw, they can smoke. What you put into life you can take out. Look, you've got to have a little fun. We're living in a promiscuous society now. People want sex; they want drugs; they want lots of things.

    I know we all hear that we shouldn't smoke, shouldn't drink, but you've never heard me say that. I would rather see you drink moderately than not drink at all. Any kind of wine is great. Most restaurants have good food, but the only natural food you'll get at the whole damn meal is wine. It's never been cooked, heated or had anything taken away from it. It was picked at maturity and nothing was added. It gives you a nice little euphoria and opens the blood vessels. It adds extra vitamins and minerals. That's helping yourself and having fun at the same time. Complete abstainers' life spans are shorter than those of people who indulge moderately. My next-door neighbor just died recently. He was 102. He had two martinis for lunch; later a few more; wine. But he was active. I had a program of exercises for him that he did until damn near two months before he died. Now, I'm definitely not into this heroin or coke or any of that stuff--well, maybe coke; it depends on how you eat and how you exercise. And marijuana--nobody knows too much about it except that it's definitely not habit-forming, so it would probably be better for someone to have a joint once in a while on the weekends than to drink booze to excess. I mean, you wouldn't eat 100 apples a day, would you?

    Q12 Playboy: You were once a 98-pound weakling. What changed you?

    Lanne: I was the weakest-looking kid you ever saw. The kids at school took turns beating me up; even the girls. My parents took me out of school at 14, thinking a rest would improve my health.

    Instead, I was considering suicide. I couldn't stand the humiliation. I used to bang my head against the wall. I got blinding headaches. I couldn't sleep. I got failing grades and had an uncontrollable temper and even tried to kill my brother. I was a shut-in. I couldn't hack it anymore.Then my mother heard about this nutrition lecture by Paul Bragg at the Oakland Women's City Club. We were late getting in and had to sit on the stage. Bragg told the audience, "I don't care what your age or present physical condition is; if you obey nature's laws, you can be born again." I went to his dressing room afterward and we talked until three A.M. about exercise, nutrition, white sugar and white flour; about how he was a vegetarian. I went home that night and prayed--I had to have help, because I couldn't give up my cakes, pies and ice cream. I was addicted. But I could also begin to envision myself with a terrific physique, going out for sports. So I stuck with it. I was a vegetarian for six years. It took pride and discipline. I'm no genius, but I am a disciplinarian. The guys who are tough survive. It was a religious experience.

    Q13 Playboy: What convinced you there was money in the physical-fitness business?

    Lanne: I had been winning physique contests and had gotten a reputation as a terrific athlete but also as a nut and a crackpot. People would say, "See that muscle-bound ass?" Then, when I opened my first spa in Oakland, in 1936, the articles started appearing in the paper: "Don't go to Jack La Lanne's. You'll get muscle-bound. You'll slow down, lose your sex drive, get hemorrhoids, have heart attacks." The women were warned that they'd look like men. So even though I was paying only $45 a month rent in a great location, I was going broke. Nobody would come to my place.I had to do something. In those days, I was very shy. If I had to give a talk, I'd freeze. But since I had this reputation as a strong man, I decided to go to all the local high schools wearing a tight-fitting T-shirt and walk up to the skinniest kid I could find and introduce myself, despite my fear. I'd ask the kid how he'd like to gain about 40 pounds and go out for football. He'd say, "Sure. I'm damn sick of having everyone beat me up." So I'd get his name and address. Then I'd pick out the fattest kid, pull in my gut and ask if he'd like to get rid of all that fat. Then I'd get his name and address. At night, I'd go to those kids' homes. First, I'd walk around the block five or six times to get up the nerve; but finally, I'd push the doorbell and the parents would ask me in.

    Usually, fathers like to refer to their sons as chips off the old block. "Hey, isn't he terrific, Jack? Captain of the basketball team, straight A's and really makes out with the women." But what's a father going to say about an emaciated kid--that he takes after his mother? So if I went to 100 homes, I'd sign up 100 kids.After a few months, you wouldn't believe the results. Some kids gained 40 or 50 pounds. Then I took 111 pounds off one kid in eight months. He'd even been to the Mayo Clinic. And word got around like wildfire. "There's Jack La Lanne, the miracle man. He's taken skinny kids and built them up. He's taken fat kids, kids on dope, bums, kids who get failing grades and completely changed their lives." I'd get into these kids personally. I knew when they masturbated and when they had cakes and pies. I'd tell them how to cut their hair and what clothes to wear. I'd make them stay in school and get good grades. They had pride and discipline.Pretty soon, I started getting phone calls from the fathers. "Hey, Jack, this is Dr. Jones. Don't tell anyone I've called, but my kid can do more push-ups and chin-ups than me. He can outrun me. I feel kind of inadequate. I've got to keep up with him. Can you take me at five in the morning? Name the price. I don't care what it costs." After less than a year, I had to shut down the men's membership.Then I started getting calls from the wives. "Hey, Jack, don't tell anyone I'm calling, but my husband finally had to tell me what he was up to. My God, he's got that old romantic nip back again. He's got the same measurements as when he was in college. I've got to keep this honeymoon going. I'm getting a little matronly. Can you take me at two in the afternoon?" Soon, I shut down the women's membership. Later, I added a health-food store and a health-food restaurant in the building. I was 30 years ahead of everybody. Truth is stranger than fiction.

    Q14 Playboy: How do you react to the notion that gays have ruined health clubs for heterosexuals? At what point does all this physical culture become narcissistic and, to some minds, gay?

    Lanne: This is bullshit! I was the first one to start health clubs, right? In 1936. I had guys coming to me who were the pillars of society. Bank presidents, lawyers, judges. I won't mention any names, but they were all homosexuals. Nobody knew about it but me, because during the first year, I had to massage to stay in business. And these guys used to offer me money, you know, if they could just blow me or have love with me. I'd tell them, "Whatever you want to do is your business. But you could write me a check for $1,000,000 and I would never let a man touch me. This is the way I am." But I'm a great believer in live and let live. The only thing that gets me is if they try to force themselves on me or if one of these old queens takes 12-, 13-, 14-year-olds, gives them money and forces them to go around with his friends. But Christ, I know guys, shit, they dig women, dogs, cats, anything. But who knows? Read the Bible. Read Socrates and Plato. Christ, this stuff's been going on forever. But one thing I'll tell you about the gays: Look at how they dress. Narcissistic? It's survival. It's being smart. Look at the animal kingdom. Ever see a dirty dog or cat or monkey or bird? They preen each other. They exercise for themselves. They want to appeal to the opposite sex. Is that narcissistic? No. It's having pride. Homosexuals love to look good. They're clean, neat. They're fastidious, well mannered and well educated. They like aesthetic things. They like good, firm, tight bodies. Health. They want to attract other guys. What's wrong with that? Why be slobs? You've got to be insane to suggest that because someone looks good, he must be gay. That's envy.

    Q15 Playboy: That's not quite what we were suggesting. However, we should all envy your measurements. What are they?

    Lanne: My chest is 47 and a half inches. My waist is 27 and a half. My neck is 17. I never let my waist get bigger. Your waist is your lifeline, and it should never be larger than when you were in your prime. If it is, two things have happened: The muscles have lost their tone and there's extra fat. Most scales lie. A guy may weigh the same at 30 as at 18, but chances are he's lost ten pounds in the shoulders and arms and gained ten in fat around the waist.

    Q16 Playboy: What do you see when you look in the mirror?

    Lanne: I think I look shitty. But I don't look at myself narcissistically, just constructively. I want to get better. Most of the beautiful men and women I've known have inferiority complexes. I've never been satisfied with myself, ever. But I feel good about myself, because I'm truthful. I don't corrupt myself. I put everything about Jack La Lanne right on the table. Jack La Lanne and Jack La Lanne are goddamned good friends. I'm also a perfectionist. I'm very impatient. I've got energy and drive and I can't stand inefficiency in people. And I can't stand dumb people. When I talk with someone, I always anticipate what he's going to say. That's why all the people I associate with have to be smart. Why surround yourself with people who are going to tie you down? I don't suffer fools. One of my closest friends is Franco Columbo. I have never met a sharper, quicker-wilted, more observant guy. Arnold Schwarzenegger is no dumbbell, either. Steve Garvey and Vince Ferragamo are sharp guys.

    Vic Tanny, who copied my original gym in Oakland, has a genius I.Q.

    Q17 Playboy: Where do you get your jump suits?

    Lanne: I have them made, along with my slacks and shirts. My waist is so small and my chest so large that I have a hell of a time getting clothes.

    Q18 Playboy: Who's the healthiest person you know?

    Lanne: Me. Not true. The most outstanding, fit human alive is a guy from San Francisco named Walt Stack. He's in his 70s now. He does Pikes Peak. He runs marathons. He runs from San Francisco to San Rafael and back every day. That's about 30 miles. He swims in San Francisco Bay. He works out with weights. He rides a bicycle. Walt was a hod carrier, someone who carries mortar up to bricklayers. He's a real pistol, boy. He likes to drink and has never taken a vitamin. I really admire him.

    Q19 Playboy: Since you've made the swim from Alcatraz to San Francisco, do you think Frank Morris, the one convict alleged to have successfully escaped, really made it?

    Lanne: Hell, no. If you don't know the tides, it's the most treacherous body of water in the world. The tide can get up to seven knots, plus, the water is only 54 degrees. Neither Morris nor the two guys who escaped with him were ever found. Later, the newspapers called me and asked me to simulate the escape. I didn't even do it handicapped with chains. I just dove off of Alcatraz and it took me half an hour just to break away from the island. And you know I'm a goddamned strong swimmer. After I broke away, I was going six or seven knots. They pulled me up right under the Golden Gate Bridge, going out to sea. Morris didn't live. The sharks would have gotten him, if nothing else. I'm in top shape, but even knowing about the water and the tides, I couldn't do it.

    Q20 Playboy: How long do you think you'll live?

    Lanne: I really don't give a damn how long I live, but I want to live while I'm living. I want to be productive. I've started a singing career with Connie Haines. We're planning to go to Las Vegas. It's a new challenge that helps my memory, my diction and my pride. It makes me grow. Stop growing and you're in the casket. I'm also aiming to get my golf handicap down to three. I play at four or five now, but I want to enter the U.S. Amateur Championships. I'm also writing six books simultaneously.I think we call our own shots and make our own destiny. Every creature--dog, horse, cat--lives to about six times its age of maturity. Dogs mature at two and live to 12 or 14. Man matures at 25. And some of the Russians and Chinese who are 150 or 160 years old have proved it can be done.

    Even the number of people in the United States who have surpassed 100 has increased 400 percent in the past six years. How long will I live? The earth will go first.
     
  34. @Mr. Hack
    As a little kid, I remember watching Jack, he did some incredible things. My computer's virus protection software wont allow me to access the link that you posted. Did Jack forego eating beef liver in favor of the capsules? Did he regularly imbibe in the pills? Are they good as a "pick me up", how do you feel after you take them?

    Did Jack forego eating beef liver in favor of the capsules? Did he regularly imbibe in the pills?

    I don’t know whether or not he avoided eating beef liver, but he took the pills as a workout supplement. This was common to power lifters and bodybuilders of his generation like Vince Gironda, Steve Reeves, Dave Draper (still alive and still yoked), etc.

    Are they good as a “pick me up”, how do you feel after you take them?

    They’re probably good as a pick me up if you’re deficient in micronutrients. I’m not deficient so I feel nothing in particular.

    Warning to everyone: vitamin A (retinol), while essential to human health, builds up in the body and can become toxic. So while it’s great to eat liver don’t go crazy either!

    Entire interview:

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    The elder statesman of fitness on his workout (ugh!), nutritional breakfasts (yuck!), gays (gulp!) and better sex (aah!). Physical fitness has America in an iron grip. With that in mind, we asked Contributing Editor David Rensin to speak with one of the few legends of health-and-body conditioning and the founder of the modern-day health salon, Jack La Lanne, on the eve of his 70th birthday.

    “When the interview began in La Lanne’s living room at 8:30 A.M., he had already been awake for five hours. He’d exercised, had breakfast and donned a red jump suit.”Most people know La Lanne only from his TV show. It’s the least of his achievements. On each birthday, La Lanne performs a muscle-numbing feat. At 45, he did 1000 push-ups and 1000 chin-ups in an hour and 22 minutes. At 60, he swam from Alcatraz to Fisherman’s Wharf–handcuffed, shackled and towing a 1000-pound boat. At 66, La Lanne swam more than a mile–handcuffed, feet shackled, towing ten boats carrying 77 people. In 48 minutes.”Most of us have trouble just turning on a tape recorder. Happy birthday, Jack.”

    Q1 Playboy: What incredible feat are you planning to do to celebrate turning 70?

    Jack La Lanne: I’m planning to swim underwater from Catalina Island to Los Angeles. That’s 26 miles. I’ll do it in less than 24 hours. But what I really wanted to do was carry a 350-pound bar bell on my shoulders down Hollywood Boulevard to protest all the male and female prostitution, all the dope and crap. I wanted to show people that there are better things in life, that you can be fit at any age. Can you imagine 350 pounds on your back for half an hour? All your muscles contract simultaneously. That’s plain pain. And I would challenge anyone in the world to do that and give him $10,000 if he did. But I can’t do it now. Some kid hit my new Porsche 924 head on. About $15,000 damage. I had to have surgery on my knee to take cartilage out, and that took care of that. But I got a new Porsche 944 recently. It’s a pistol. I had it up to 130 the other day.

    Q2 Playboy: Why do you often handcuff and shackle yourself for your swims?

    Use it or lose it, I say Lanne: Because it makes them ten times more difficult. Otherwise, anyone would be doing these things.

    Q3 Playboy: What’s your secret? Wheaties?

    Lanne: Sometimes I have a Jack La Lanne Diet Shake, a product I’ve had out for about 20 years now. Or one of the five Jack La Lanne breakfast cereals. They’re all natural grains–no white sugar, no white flour, no salt, no fats. I’m more and more into grains these days; also raw fish. I eat sashimi almost every day–though not for breakfast. But mainly, I have about 400 vitamin supplements for breakfast right after I work out.

    I put them in a blender and make a high-protein drink. I use a quart of carrot and celery juice, half and half, then put in two heaping tablespoons of wheat germ, two more of nonfat-milk solids, two more of high-strain brewers’ yeast, then a heaping tablespoon of bone meal and a banana. Then I put in 100 liver-yeast tablets, 15,000 milligrams of vitamin C, 2000 units of B, some boron and some zinc; also 75 alfalfa-and-kelp tablets. Then I blend it and drink it. It’s one of the worst-tasting health drinks you could have, but I still drink it, because it’s the perfect breakfast. It’s got about 40 grams of protein, all the B-complex vitamins, everything that’s natural from the carrot and celery juices, the enzymes, the trace elements, calcium and potassium from the bone meal. And it’s very low in calories. After you work out like me, you’re not hungry; you’re thirsty.

    Q4 Playboy: What are your workouts like?

    Lanne: I believe in vigorous, violent, daily, systematic exercise to the point of muscle failure. I’m usually up each day at 3:30 A.M. I hit the gym at four A.M. I’m out at 6:30 A.M. I do it seven days a week and have ever since I can remember. Sometimes I hit the gym without having gotten any sleep, like when I’ve done a lecture or a seminar. My top priority in life is my workout. Regardless of what happens, I hit that gym. Even when I was in the hospital twice with serious knee operations: Right after I came out of anesthesia, there was a chin bar over my head and dumbbells. I worked out immediately.

    It’s very easy to rationalize, however, and say, “What the hell. I didn’t get enough sleep” or “I’m too busy” or “I’ve got this little ache or pain.” That’s all bullcrap. You do it. It’s tough. It’s hard. I’d rather take a beating sometimes than get in that gym every morning. Anyone who gets up that early and says he likes it is a goddamned liar. The only good thing about it is that when I’m finished, I look at myself in the mirror and say, “Jack, you’ve done it again!” I’ve won another battle over myself, and that’s what it’s all about: conquering me. If I didn’t do it, I’d be lying to myself. If I lie to me, I lie to you and wreck everything that Jack La Lanne stands for. If I’m not an example of my philosophy, it sure isn’t going to turn anyone else on. That’s why Jesus made such a big impact. He practiced what he preached. He also did miracles to call attention to his philosophies. That’s why I do incredible things on my birthdays.

    Q5 Playboy: Do you consider sex an exercise?

    Lanne: Absolutely. What’s more physical? We’re sensuous creatures. Sex is the greatest driving force on this planet. Christ, why are we living if we can’t have a little fun?

    Sex is giving, and the more you give, the better lover you are. But if you don’t have it to give, well, that’s why physical fitness is so great. What group of people are the sexiest of all these days? Athletes! They’ve got the health, the energy; they can give of themselves. And if you love sex, you’ve got to have something to give. Look, if you’re sick, are you thinking of sex? That’s what I try to tell the guys. Some have three or four extra inches on their waistline, yet they like to be proud of themselves in the sack. I say, “Look, for every two inches you take off up there, it makes your business down there look an inch longer. Isn’t everything relative? If you have a six-inch tool and a 50-inch waistline, the thing doesn’t look very big, does it?” That’s my incentive.It’s simple: You’ve got to appeal to the pride in people. When a woman is flabby and soft, she’s unattractive. When you married a beautiful girl and all of a sudden you start seeing her tits down to here and her breath stinks and she’s not clean anymore and has no pride in herself, you can’t love her. You may bullshit yourself, but you can’t. Energy makes people beautiful. That’s what charisma is. You don’t want to be close to someone who is dead and crapped out all the time, who’s bitching that it’s a lousy fucking world and “Christ, my ulcers are killing me.” Maybe 50 or 60 percent of all divorces are predicated on someone’s being physically unfit. Who wants to live with negativism? Love goes out the window.

    Q6 Playboy: Are all kinds of sex healthy?

    Lanne: It’s up to the individual. Sex has to do with imagination, so the sky is the limit. If you’re not doing bodily harm, why shouldn’t you do what turns you on? I’m not a prude who thinks everything should be done the Jack La Lanne way. All I want you to do is follow my method of fitness: Eat properly. Think right. Exercise more. What you do with your new-found energy and vitality is your own business.

    Q7 Playboy: Is sex still good at 70?

    Lanne: The biggest bunch of bullshit is that it’s not. Use it or lose it, I say. I’ve got friends who are 70, 80, 90, and, Christ, they’re horny bastards. Three or four times a week is nothing to them.

    Q8 Playboy: By now, you’ve probably seen all the health-and-fitness videos put out by such people as Jane Fonda, Richard Simmons and Debbie Reynolds. Would you care to offer a quick critique?

    Lanne: They’re all about the same; they’re all jumping around. Some of it’s good; some of it’s bad. But 90 percent of the exercises in those things are for your calves. There’s too much stretching for the lower back and calves while ignoring the rest of you. What are they doing for your shoulders, arms, chest, waist?

    Now, I’m going to be coming out with ten audio-visual tapes for home consumption. They’ll be good ones. They’ll concentrate on all the problem areas. I’ll do one for kids, one for executives, a motivational tape, one on nutrition.

    I’ve just built a television studio in my new home in Morro Bay. I’m going to do a syndicated show from there called Jack La Lanne and Friends. I’ll get celebrities like Bob Hope and Phyllis Diller, big sports celebrities, anyone who’s recognizable. I’ll put people up overnight at my home. I have a maid who will take care of their food and drinks. Then we’ll shoot a show together, a real comprehensive thing. I’ll find out what they’re having for breakfast, lunch and dinner, what their exercise habits are, their sex habits, their hobbies, their problems. And then I’ll give them an exercise for their problem areas and get them right there on the floor exercising with me. And I’ll recommend what foods they should eat: a real in-depth thing.

    Q9 Playboy: For most people, food equals pleasure. Yet diet programs usually leave you hungry, and it’s difficult to stick to a diet when you go to a restaurant. What do you eat when you eat out?

    Lanne: I’ve never told my stomach I’m a poor man. Lots of my contemporaries go into a restaurant and figure they can cheat just this one time. What the hell, they don’t want to bother anyone. Not me. I call over the chef or the maitre d’. I ask for the right food and he respects me for it. Some people complain about taste. They’ll look at a squid and go, “God!” So they eat chicken. But chickens are some of the world’s filthiest creatures. They eat anything. I lived on a ranch as a kid. When the sheep died, they’d get maggots. We’d throw the carcasses into the chicken yard, and within two hours they’d be down to the bone. The pigs would defecate and the chickens would eat it up! But people love chicken. So the chickens I eat are organically grown with special care. I know the source of everything I eat.

    Q10 Playboy: Lots of people work out during the week; then, on weekends, they do drugs, drink wine and indulge in vigorous self-abuse. Are they just fooling themselves? Is there a wine that goes well with wheat germ, so to speak?

    Lanne: They’ve earned the right. It’s just like, goddamn, if you write a check for $1000 but have only $500 in the bank, you’re bankrupt. But if you have $5000 in the bank, you can afford it. Who are the greatest dissipaters in the world? Professional athletes. They’re in such good shape that they can drink, they can screw, they can smoke. What you put into life you can take out. Look, you’ve got to have a little fun. We’re living in a promiscuous society now. People want sex; they want drugs; they want lots of things.

    I know we all hear that we shouldn’t smoke, shouldn’t drink, but you’ve never heard me say that. I would rather see you drink moderately than not drink at all. Any kind of wine is great. Most restaurants have good food, but the only natural food you’ll get at the whole damn meal is wine. It’s never been cooked, heated or had anything taken away from it. It was picked at maturity and nothing was added. It gives you a nice little euphoria and opens the blood vessels. It adds extra vitamins and minerals. That’s helping yourself and having fun at the same time. Complete abstainers’ life spans are shorter than those of people who indulge moderately. My next-door neighbor just died recently. He was 102. He had two martinis for lunch; later a few more; wine. But he was active. I had a program of exercises for him that he did until damn near two months before he died. Now, I’m definitely not into this heroin or coke or any of that stuff–well, maybe coke; it depends on how you eat and how you exercise. And marijuana–nobody knows too much about it except that it’s definitely not habit-forming, so it would probably be better for someone to have a joint once in a while on the weekends than to drink booze to excess. I mean, you wouldn’t eat 100 apples a day, would you?

    Q12 Playboy: You were once a 98-pound weakling. What changed you?

    Lanne: I was the weakest-looking kid you ever saw. The kids at school took turns beating me up; even the girls. My parents took me out of school at 14, thinking a rest would improve my health.

    Instead, I was considering suicide. I couldn’t stand the humiliation. I used to bang my head against the wall. I got blinding headaches. I couldn’t sleep. I got failing grades and had an uncontrollable temper and even tried to kill my brother. I was a shut-in. I couldn’t hack it anymore.Then my mother heard about this nutrition lecture by Paul Bragg at the Oakland Women’s City Club. We were late getting in and had to sit on the stage. Bragg told the audience, “I don’t care what your age or present physical condition is; if you obey nature’s laws, you can be born again.” I went to his dressing room afterward and we talked until three A.M. about exercise, nutrition, white sugar and white flour; about how he was a vegetarian. I went home that night and prayed–I had to have help, because I couldn’t give up my cakes, pies and ice cream. I was addicted. But I could also begin to envision myself with a terrific physique, going out for sports. So I stuck with it. I was a vegetarian for six years. It took pride and discipline. I’m no genius, but I am a disciplinarian. The guys who are tough survive. It was a religious experience.

    Q13 Playboy: What convinced you there was money in the physical-fitness business?

    Lanne: I had been winning physique contests and had gotten a reputation as a terrific athlete but also as a nut and a crackpot. People would say, “See that muscle-bound ass?” Then, when I opened my first spa in Oakland, in 1936, the articles started appearing in the paper: “Don’t go to Jack La Lanne’s. You’ll get muscle-bound. You’ll slow down, lose your sex drive, get hemorrhoids, have heart attacks.” The women were warned that they’d look like men. So even though I was paying only $45 a month rent in a great location, I was going broke. Nobody would come to my place.I had to do something. In those days, I was very shy. If I had to give a talk, I’d freeze. But since I had this reputation as a strong man, I decided to go to all the local high schools wearing a tight-fitting T-shirt and walk up to the skinniest kid I could find and introduce myself, despite my fear. I’d ask the kid how he’d like to gain about 40 pounds and go out for football. He’d say, “Sure. I’m damn sick of having everyone beat me up.” So I’d get his name and address. Then I’d pick out the fattest kid, pull in my gut and ask if he’d like to get rid of all that fat. Then I’d get his name and address. At night, I’d go to those kids’ homes. First, I’d walk around the block five or six times to get up the nerve; but finally, I’d push the doorbell and the parents would ask me in.

    Usually, fathers like to refer to their sons as chips off the old block. “Hey, isn’t he terrific, Jack? Captain of the basketball team, straight A’s and really makes out with the women.” But what’s a father going to say about an emaciated kid–that he takes after his mother? So if I went to 100 homes, I’d sign up 100 kids.After a few months, you wouldn’t believe the results. Some kids gained 40 or 50 pounds. Then I took 111 pounds off one kid in eight months. He’d even been to the Mayo Clinic. And word got around like wildfire. “There’s Jack La Lanne, the miracle man. He’s taken skinny kids and built them up. He’s taken fat kids, kids on dope, bums, kids who get failing grades and completely changed their lives.” I’d get into these kids personally. I knew when they masturbated and when they had cakes and pies. I’d tell them how to cut their hair and what clothes to wear. I’d make them stay in school and get good grades. They had pride and discipline.Pretty soon, I started getting phone calls from the fathers. “Hey, Jack, this is Dr. Jones. Don’t tell anyone I’ve called, but my kid can do more push-ups and chin-ups than me. He can outrun me. I feel kind of inadequate. I’ve got to keep up with him. Can you take me at five in the morning? Name the price. I don’t care what it costs.” After less than a year, I had to shut down the men’s membership.Then I started getting calls from the wives. “Hey, Jack, don’t tell anyone I’m calling, but my husband finally had to tell me what he was up to. My God, he’s got that old romantic nip back again. He’s got the same measurements as when he was in college. I’ve got to keep this honeymoon going. I’m getting a little matronly. Can you take me at two in the afternoon?” Soon, I shut down the women’s membership. Later, I added a health-food store and a health-food restaurant in the building. I was 30 years ahead of everybody. Truth is stranger than fiction.

    Q14 Playboy: How do you react to the notion that gays have ruined health clubs for heterosexuals? At what point does all this physical culture become narcissistic and, to some minds, gay?

    Lanne: This is bullshit! I was the first one to start health clubs, right? In 1936. I had guys coming to me who were the pillars of society. Bank presidents, lawyers, judges. I won’t mention any names, but they were all homosexuals. Nobody knew about it but me, because during the first year, I had to massage to stay in business. And these guys used to offer me money, you know, if they could just blow me or have love with me. I’d tell them, “Whatever you want to do is your business. But you could write me a check for $1,000,000 and I would never let a man touch me. This is the way I am.” But I’m a great believer in live and let live. The only thing that gets me is if they try to force themselves on me or if one of these old queens takes 12-, 13-, 14-year-olds, gives them money and forces them to go around with his friends. But Christ, I know guys, shit, they dig women, dogs, cats, anything. But who knows? Read the Bible. Read Socrates and Plato. Christ, this stuff’s been going on forever. But one thing I’ll tell you about the gays: Look at how they dress. Narcissistic? It’s survival. It’s being smart. Look at the animal kingdom. Ever see a dirty dog or cat or monkey or bird? They preen each other. They exercise for themselves. They want to appeal to the opposite sex. Is that narcissistic? No. It’s having pride. Homosexuals love to look good. They’re clean, neat. They’re fastidious, well mannered and well educated. They like aesthetic things. They like good, firm, tight bodies. Health. They want to attract other guys. What’s wrong with that? Why be slobs? You’ve got to be insane to suggest that because someone looks good, he must be gay. That’s envy.

    Q15 Playboy: That’s not quite what we were suggesting. However, we should all envy your measurements. What are they?

    Lanne: My chest is 47 and a half inches. My waist is 27 and a half. My neck is 17. I never let my waist get bigger. Your waist is your lifeline, and it should never be larger than when you were in your prime. If it is, two things have happened: The muscles have lost their tone and there’s extra fat. Most scales lie. A guy may weigh the same at 30 as at 18, but chances are he’s lost ten pounds in the shoulders and arms and gained ten in fat around the waist.

    Q16 Playboy: What do you see when you look in the mirror?

    Lanne: I think I look shitty. But I don’t look at myself narcissistically, just constructively. I want to get better. Most of the beautiful men and women I’ve known have inferiority complexes. I’ve never been satisfied with myself, ever. But I feel good about myself, because I’m truthful. I don’t corrupt myself. I put everything about Jack La Lanne right on the table. Jack La Lanne and Jack La Lanne are goddamned good friends. I’m also a perfectionist. I’m very impatient. I’ve got energy and drive and I can’t stand inefficiency in people. And I can’t stand dumb people. When I talk with someone, I always anticipate what he’s going to say. That’s why all the people I associate with have to be smart. Why surround yourself with people who are going to tie you down? I don’t suffer fools. One of my closest friends is Franco Columbo. I have never met a sharper, quicker-wilted, more observant guy. Arnold Schwarzenegger is no dumbbell, either. Steve Garvey and Vince Ferragamo are sharp guys.

    Vic Tanny, who copied my original gym in Oakland, has a genius I.Q.

    Q17 Playboy: Where do you get your jump suits?

    Lanne: I have them made, along with my slacks and shirts. My waist is so small and my chest so large that I have a hell of a time getting clothes.

    Q18 Playboy: Who’s the healthiest person you know?

    Lanne: Me. Not true. The most outstanding, fit human alive is a guy from San Francisco named Walt Stack. He’s in his 70s now. He does Pikes Peak. He runs marathons. He runs from San Francisco to San Rafael and back every day. That’s about 30 miles. He swims in San Francisco Bay. He works out with weights. He rides a bicycle. Walt was a hod carrier, someone who carries mortar up to bricklayers. He’s a real pistol, boy. He likes to drink and has never taken a vitamin. I really admire him.

    Q19 Playboy: Since you’ve made the swim from Alcatraz to San Francisco, do you think Frank Morris, the one convict alleged to have successfully escaped, really made it?

    Lanne: Hell, no. If you don’t know the tides, it’s the most treacherous body of water in the world. The tide can get up to seven knots, plus, the water is only 54 degrees. Neither Morris nor the two guys who escaped with him were ever found. Later, the newspapers called me and asked me to simulate the escape. I didn’t even do it handicapped with chains. I just dove off of Alcatraz and it took me half an hour just to break away from the island. And you know I’m a goddamned strong swimmer. After I broke away, I was going six or seven knots. They pulled me up right under the Golden Gate Bridge, going out to sea. Morris didn’t live. The sharks would have gotten him, if nothing else. I’m in top shape, but even knowing about the water and the tides, I couldn’t do it.

    Q20 Playboy: How long do you think you’ll live?

    Lanne: I really don’t give a damn how long I live, but I want to live while I’m living. I want to be productive. I’ve started a singing career with Connie Haines. We’re planning to go to Las Vegas. It’s a new challenge that helps my memory, my diction and my pride. It makes me grow. Stop growing and you’re in the casket. I’m also aiming to get my golf handicap down to three. I play at four or five now, but I want to enter the U.S. Amateur Championships. I’m also writing six books simultaneously.I think we call our own shots and make our own destiny. Every creature–dog, horse, cat–lives to about six times its age of maturity. Dogs mature at two and live to 12 or 14. Man matures at 25. And some of the Russians and Chinese who are 150 or 160 years old have proved it can be done.

    Even the number of people in the United States who have surpassed 100 has increased 400 percent in the past six years. How long will I live? The earth will go first.

    • Thanks: Mr. Hack
  35. @for-the-record
    The main risk factor for COVID-19, superseding all others, is age.

    I haven't seen any good evidence yet that age by itself, in the absence of serious pre-existing conditions (or "comorbities"), is all that significant. According to the most detailed study I have seen -- of 481 patients apparently randomly selected from the first 3,200 deaths in Italy -- 98.8% had 1 or more "comorbities", and the mean was 2.7 (1).

    Perhaps an extraordinarily high percentage of the elderly in Italy have 1 or more serious existing pre-conditions, in which case the fact that 99% of the deaths fall in this category would not be so significant, and age could thus indeed be the principal factor. But to show this one would need to have statistics relating to the distribution of pre-existing conditions among the elderly, which must exist somewhere but I haven't come across.

    To date, approximately 14,000 have died in Italy from Covid-19. If the 98.8% figure for comorbities still holds, this would mean that approximately 170 "healthy" people have died thus far in Italy. The "elderly" (65+) population in Italy is 13 million. Let us assume that at least 25% have no serious pre-existing conditions -- surely this must be a very conservative assumption. Even assuming that all of the 170 "healthy" dead were elderly, this would mean that a healthy elderly person in Italy would (thus far) have had a 0.005% (i.e. 0.00005) chance of falling dead from Covid-19, surely not an overwhelming risk.

    (1) https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_20_marzo_eng.pdf

    I haven’t seen any good evidence yet that age by itself, in the absence of serious pre-existing conditions (or “comorbi[di]ties”), is all that significant.

    There’s pretty strong tendency evidence – easily strong enough to make the call that the under-70s age group have a comordbidity-agnostic CFR less than half of the 70+. And for under-50s, the CFR is almost not worth worrying about.

    At present it’s necessary to make ‘heroic’ assumptions about the distribution of comorbidities by age group, and the deaths-with-comorbidities by age group.

    It’s not stupid to assume that some key ‘lifestyle’ comorbidities (emphysema, cardio-vascular disease) increase with age; others (diabetes) might be more uniform.

    If you assume that death-with covid19[+n], n ≥ 0 is apportioned according to the guess about the age-prevalence of the main relevant comorbidities, you will get ZERO CFRs for “death-with covid19[+0]” for the entire under-70 population.

    I’m trying to get a handle on the distribution of key chronic illness by age group for Italy today; the data’s not terrible, but you have to get it one age group at a time and one comorbidity at a time – for example from the ISS’s CuoreData for CVD risk, and diabetes, one age group at a time… and it can’t easily be automated (e.g., by a Python script). There’s a tendency for publications on this stuff to be heavy on bullshit bad-cartoon pseudotables, and light on links to actual data tables… shit that looks like this ->

    That’s from a publication in the European Journal of Preventive Cardiology from 2015, and it looks like it was done by an 11 year old. The only thing that would make it worse is if they actually used Comic Sans.

    Anyhow… before bothering about age/comorbidity splits, age-cohort by itself is good enough to declare categorically that people under 50 can CTFD… here’s the breakdown of CFR by age group, and deaths per million age-cohort-population, for Italian data as at March 30 (the latest at the time).

    Notes:

    CTFD: Calm The Fuck Down

  36. @Mr. Hack
    Easy recipe for six large servings, average sized cooking pot:

    6 small country style ribs
    2 good sized beets (3 smaller ones)
    3 large carrots
    1/2 cabbage (either green or red)
    2 medium potatoes
    1 can V-8 juice
    1 onion
    1 can kidney beans (drained)

    1)Cover ribs with water, add some large whole black peppers and 3-4 bay leaves, bring to a simmer.
    2) Add in "zasmashka*"
    3) cut up remaining beets into mouth size pieces and add to ribs at the bottom of the pot
    4) Start adding the V-8 juice.
    5) After 10 minutes, add in leftover carrots also cutup into mouth size pieces.
    5) Repeat with potatoes, you guessed it, in mouth sized pieces.
    6) Add in leftover cabbage shredded nicely.
    7) Any time towards the end, add in a can of the beans.
    8) garnish at the end with nicely minced dill, sour cream, and dark crusty bread and cloves of garlic

    *zasmashka - thick grate 1 beet, 1 carrot, 1/4 cabbage and 1 chopped onion and fry up on pan. Mix and transfer to cooking pot when through. This is the most labor intensive part of the whole process.

    Play around with it. Typically, I also like to cut up and include one hot chili pepper to the pot, for that extra oomph. Now, you too can begin to think and act like a real Ukrainian kozak - Smachnoho!

    That sounds amazing. I love beets, but I never have them because Mr. Rosie says they “taste like dirt.” WTF?

    • Replies: @Thorfinnsson
    Beets have a gritty texture which isn't appealing to everyone.
  37. @Rosie
    That sounds amazing. I love beets, but I never have them because Mr. Rosie says they "taste like dirt." WTF?

    Beets have a gritty texture which isn’t appealing to everyone.

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