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This Wuhan coronavirus (Corona) is very contagious: The WHO gives an estimate of r0 = 1.4 to 2.5 (this means that control measures must prevent 29%-60% of transmissions to stop the epidemic from growing further). There are 41 deaths / 1,287 confirmed cases as of right now (i.e. 3% mortality like 2 days ago). Hopefully, that mortality rate is a substantial overestimate, since symptoms are mild in many people and who would not have been registered as having been afflicted with Corona, whereas deaths would be more noticeable. In any cases, videos from Wuhan suggest that the scope of the epidemic is an order of magnitude bigger than the official figures.

Approximately 40 million Chinese are barred from leaving Wuhan and a cluster of smaller cities around that megapolis, making this the largest quarantine in world history. Today, all movie theaters have been shut down, all domestic and foreign tour group expeditions have been canceled, and there is a crash effort to construct a 1,000-bed hospital in Wuhan over 6 days. The scope of the response surely dwarfs what any other country can manage without China’s unique combination of state capacity and authoritarian wherewithal. Its sheer scale also suggests that we have a very serious situation on our hands.

There’s no good way to estimate mortality during the early stages of an epidemic. We must note that some of those currently confirmed cases may yet die, and there is a possibility that even some deaths are going uncounted (or being suppressed); there is one disturbing video that appears to be showing apparently unclaimed corpses in a Wuhan hospital.

I don’t think there’s any hope of containing it at this point. As mentioned, it is very contagious – the WHO r0 estimate might be too optimistic, with a just published preprint by Read et al. 2020 give an estimate of 3.6-4.0 (for comparison, r0 = 3 for the Spanish Flu). Early detection is very hard on account of Corona’s long incubation period. And we live in a world where China has become quite rich, crisscrossed with High-Speed Rail, and connected to the world through budget airlines.

Remember this memetic photo of Chinese bullet trains?

It was from Wuhan. Wuhan is a city of 11 million people that serves as the central railway hub for China. 400 million Chinese migrate during the Lunar New Year (which happens to be today), most of them by train, of whom many pass through Wuhan, of whom many will have traveled before the Wuhan quarantine kicked into effect. So now there’s new spores growing all over China: The only Corona free province now is Tibet. All the major East Asian countries have also seen cases, and the virus is already confirmed to have spread to North America (3 cases in the US) and to Europe (2 cases in France). Attempts to control it, from China’s hardline quarantine measures to the recent suggestions by US Senators to restrict air travel from China, may slow down the spread of the pandemic but are ultimately just attempts to shore up a crumbling dam.

Though had we heeded Hakan’s wisdom from the start, mayhaps we could have avoided all this.

In terms of contagiousness (adjusted for the Age of Car and Airplane), mortality, and mortality profile (overwhelmingly affects the elderly), I think this most closely resembles the first wave of the Spanish Flu.

At that time, around a third of the world population became infected at some point. That means about 2 billion people today, which can translate into as many as 60 million deaths using the 3% mortality estimate. For comparison, the “normal” flu kills about 500,000 people annually.

Needless to say, there’s much uncertainty. We can only guess at the ultimate infection rate, though as per above, I don’t see how it can now be contained; the study by Read et al. 2020 projects that even a 99% success rate in quarantining Wuhan from the time of its imposition on January 23 will only result in a 35% reduction in the number of cases in other Chinese cities by February 4 (see projections from the paper right).

Ergo for the number of deaths. It is possible that the real mortality rate is closer to 1%, in which case ultimate global deaths may “only” number 20 million, at least unless the virus mutates into a more harmless form.

Though it could also go the other way, as in the second wave of the Spanish Flu, when mortality soared to 10%-15% and started to overwhelmingly kill young people with strong immune systems by provoking cytokine storms. This is hopefully less likely today, because the Spanish Flu spread in the context of World War I and its perverse selection effects for virus lethality. In civilian life, people with mild symptoms remain at work, while the heavily afflicted stay at home. However, during World War I, soldiers with mild symptoms remained at the front, while the heavily afflicted were taken to hastily expanded field hospitals that served as hotbeds for the further spread of the disease.

Scientists are still unsure what animal played host to Corona. One interesting thing is that Wuhan saw China’s first maximum biosafety BSL-4 facility open in 2017. Disgusting as that food market is, this does seem like quite the coincidence. It was reported to be working on coronaviruses, amongst other things. So the possibility that this is, at least in part, a bioengineered virus, can’t be entirely excluded.

Obviously I am no expert in this domain, but my suggested “to dos” at this point would include the following:

  • Follow the news, e.g. WHO, /r/China_Flu, visualizations, e.g. here and here.
  • Don’t worry much if you’re not a boomer – for now.
  • Once it lands in your region, try to minimize contacts with other people. Brush up on your hikikomori skills, they’ll finally come in handy.
  • Obviously no idiot-tier things, like going to restaurants, cafes, concerts. Minimize public transport usage.
  • Try to get a work-from-home arrangement.
  • Be aware that face masks offer minimal protection (and this Corona can spread through the eyes).
  • Keep hands away from face.
  • Do the usual prepper things: Get supplies of grains, meat in bulk for the freezer, water, coffee, etc. Even better, get to an isolated rural retreat, if it’s a realistic option.
  • Make sure any entertainment is strictly thematic:
  • Maintain positive outlook. At least we’ll get a temporary reprieve from cheap Chinese tour groups.
  • Most importantly, follow the right protocols: Say a prayer to Papa Nurgle and poast “I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!” in the comments.

 
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  1. MichaelHD says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  2. A123 says:

    Practice your survival(?) Skills by playing PLAGUE INC.

    https://www.ndemiccreations.com/en/22-plague-inc

    Wait… This is for playing on the virus side….
    _______

    I LOVE YOU 😍 CORONA-CHAN! 😍

    • Agree: neutral
  3. songbird says:

    Not kidding, I got a deep mucousy cough right now.

    I know we are talking about a virus here, but I wonder if the Chinese overuse of antibiotics, might be a factor in some of these zoonoses. Like if you kill your commensal bacteria, maybe it just leaves your gut more open to everything, including viruses.

    frozen meat

    Is this a Russian thing, where it is cold enough so that you can create catchments which won’t spoil, if the power goes out? If America, we typically speak of canned goods.

    Zombie movies (my favorite is REC)

    Haven’t seen it, but all found footage films should be nuked.

  4. Толик блять хватит криндж-постить

    • Disagree: Anatoly Karlin
    • LOL: DreadIlk, WHAT
  5. @songbird

    Get better soon!

    I am assuming it doesn’t get so bad that power ends up failing.

    • Thanks: songbird
  6. @A123

    How could I have forgotten about it given all the Greenland and Madagascar references floating around.

    • Replies: @A123
  7. Hail says: • Website

    Bat virus that kills x million in several countries
    . . vs. . .
    Nuclear exchange that kills x million in the same countries

    Which is psychologically scarier to people? Which is a more actually damaging?

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  8. Yawn.

    Another Brobdingnagian, unbeatable, unstoppable, rapidly growing thing in China that will eventually overwhelm and defeat everyone everywhere else.

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    I, for one, welcome our new viral overlord.

    • Replies: @EatMore
    , @RadicalCenter
  9. @songbird

    I know we are talking about a virus here, but I wonder if the Chinese overuse of antibiotics, might be a factor in some of these zoonoses. Like if you kill your commensal bacteria, maybe it just leaves your gut more open to everything, including viruses.

    Eating exotic animals has been the main reason for this kind of outbreaks. Hopefully wearing mask, hand-washing, and disinfecting critical public facilities such as buses and trains can be somewhat effective in preventing transmission. The incubation period is about 2 weeks, enough time for genetic testing to confirm infection I guess. Also hopefully, at least some partially effective vaccine can be developed within 6 months.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  10. I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

  11. To put the whole thing into perspective, there are 80,000-90,000 flu-related deaths in China despite vaccinations, while wearing-mask and hand-washing are probably the best methods to deal with it besides vaccination. So far the coronavirus seems more infectious than SARS but causes less severe symptoms. The eventual number of deaths may be more like a doubly bad flu season than the Spanish Influenza.

    • Agree: Biff, mal
    • Replies: @Hail
    , @Kevin O'Keeffe
  12. neutral says:

    Skeptical that this will be anything but another over hyped news story. However a global pandemic would not be the worst thing ever, the current zog world order (aka globo homo) is the worst thing, a shakeup of the current world order should be welcomed.

  13. Franz says:

    Ok — “I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!”

    As to this —

    Don’t worry much if you’re not a boomer – for now.

    — Which I take to mean the United State’s record-number of Over-85-year-olds in the civilian workforce are safe because of the immense strength-wave brought over by German passenger Zeppelins in the late 1930s.

  14. @neutral

    So far this sounds like Ebola panic all over again. Might cause a minor stock market correction.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
    , @Lars Porsena
  15. Spillover by David Wuammen is the best book bar none…

  16. Rahan says:

    There still doesn’t seem to be even any preliminary attempts at ethnic breakdown concerning those infected.

    Namely: is it confined to East Asians, or does it jump to whites, blacks, and browns?

    If it’s mostly a yellow thing, then the designer bio-weapon theory gains more credence, IMO.

    • Replies: @Anonymoustache
  17. Biff says:

    MMH – Media Manufactured Histeria.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  18. Dumbo says:

    What do you expect from people who eat bats and dogs? No wonder almost all diseases come from there, or from Africa.

  19. Hail says: • Website
    @last straw

    The eventual number of deaths may be more like a doubly bad flu season than the Spanish Influenza.

    This still seems likeliest, to my amateur view. Maybe a triply bad flu season equivalent, mainly in China, mainly affecting those with pre-existing health problems. So it goes.

    John Derbyshire has a column up (“America Catches Coronavirus Panic,” VDare, republished at the Unz Review) that is even more dismissive on the virus’ potential.

    He lists some plausible causes of the panic, some specific to present-day China and its dreary system of information-control; some due to historical memory of past epidemics in China/elsewhere.

    I think all of what he wrote is right and there is something else:

    Thinking about the mechanism (transmission networks) of the spread of a cool-new-exotic bat viruses, one that has jumped human-to-human, is exciting. In a morose way, maybe, but it easily beats boredom. It feels like a little war is going on, with the latest “reports from the front” and fog-of-war-like rumors all over the place. Modeling the spread feels like some kind of live-action computer game, perhaps a zombie game.

  20. Smith says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN.

    Live from Vietnam, holy fucking shit, /ourgirl/ has already surpassed the first week of SARS, infection and casualties-wise.

    Also, this outbreak seems to follow the 2011 movie, Contagion, to the letter.

  21. What the hell is wrong with these Chinese? Why can’t they eat like normal human beings?

    This is how Chinese react when they see a bat:

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @frankie p
  22. Adûnâi says:

    “At that time, around a third of the world population became infected at some point. That means about 2 billion people today, which can translate into as many as 60 million deaths”

    I hate such useless estimates. Because they include the populations of Africa, India and Latin America – regions which humans have not colonized yet anyway.

    A deleted comment in that Reddit thread provided an insight into the mind of the Chinese and Westerners.

    There’s none of this politically correct crap in china. They will put an ad in the paper requesting hot girls to apply for stewardess positions and the entire train is serviced by smoking hot girls. It’s wonderful. If they get ugly or fat they get fired.

    https://old.reddit.com/r/TrainPorn/comments/5o1u1z/bullet_trains_before_setting_out_in_wuhan_xpost/dcg7t4m/

    Again, pure capitalism and Christianity. The Chinese see no problem with whoredom, and neither do Western libertarians. May Coronachan come and take away the sodomites.

    • LOL: Alfred
  23. Biff says:
    @Dumbo

    No wonder almost all diseases come from there, or from Africa.

    This is something a Dumbo would say..

  24. @Dumbo

    There are also lots of Chinese colonizing Africa.

  25. @Belarusian Dude

    My Russian skills are improving. Three words out of five! Though cringe and posting are easy.

    With help of online translation services:

    Okay, Tolik is probably not a word, just a diminutive of Anatoly.

  26. @Rahan

    If it’s mostly a yellow thing, then the designer bio-weapon theory gains more credence, IMO.

    It wouldn’t have to be an ethnic specific virus to be a US bioweapon directed at China. In the context of the developing Cold War between the US and China, the Trump administration is trying to scale down trade and interaction with China and trying to isolate it. The “Phase One” trade deal that Trump just signed is very vague and is worded and designed to fail and to allow the US to back away while claiming China didn’t fulfill it. The bioweapon would just have to hit China first to provide further pretext to suspend and scale down trade, travel, relations with China, isolate it from the rest of the world, and to promote unrest within China and weaken the government’s legitimacy there.

  27. @Smith

    Thằng hèn bệnh hoạn! Mày ghét dân Trung Quốc thế sao mày không tự tay đi mà giết chúng nó?

    Translate into English:

    You coward mental illness! If you hate Chinese so much then why don’t you just kill them with your own hand?

    Everyone (except Smith) forgives me for my bad English.

    • Replies: @Smith
  28. Smith says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Tại sao phải bẩn tay khi đã có virus làm giúp mình? Chưa nói đến việc, Việt Nam không chừng phải lãnh đũ chỉ vì tụi Tàu ăn dơ.

    No translation needed.

  29. Owen C. says:

    Я ЛЮБЛЮ ТЕБЯ КОРОНА-ЧАН!

    On a more serious note, I’ve also heard that some kid at Sydney Airport was quarantined after coming down with corona today. There are apparently 4 cases of corona in Australia at the moment, 2 in Queensland and 2 in NSW.

  30. Я ЛЮБЛЮ ТЕБЯ КОРОНА-ЧАН!

    • Replies: @Yevardian
  31. LondonBob says:
    @Felix Keverich

    Oil price has been hammered.

    We just don’t have the accurate figures out of Wuhan. All the actions by the Chinese state and rumours suggest it is far worse than being reported. What worries me is the travelers being infected, I doubt they all visited the fish market.

    • Agree: Hong Kong Hibernian
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  32. @LondonBob

    Whatever its origins, it’s now spreading like a common cold.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  33. This is yet another over-hyped news story that is spreading (faster than the actual virus) through bugmen platforms like Reddit.

    Just imagine if there was a virus that only infected Reddit users and had a 100% mortality rate? The world would be a better place is all I can say.

    Also, this Corona virus seems to be disproportionately killing the old and weak, perhaps this is just a Chinese ploy to reduce their dependency ratio as their population ages?

    • Replies: @Pheasant
    , @iffen
  34. Anon 2 says:

    That’s why in this blog I have consistently promoted
    two basic principles:

    1. Aristotelian/Buddhist Principle of the Golden Mean or moderation
    in all things. Many corollaries, e.g., Avoid both poverty and wealth – both corrupt our
    souls; Avoid both promiscuity and celibacy; Avoid both hunger and gluttony, etc

    2. Leopold Kohr (Austrian economist)’s (Kohr 🙂)Principle: Size is the Root of All Evil.
    Again many corollaries, e.g., Very large cities (say over 4-5 million) should be
    avoided like the plague (to use the old cliche). Very large cities are extremely
    vulnerable during epidemics, produce millions of urban neurotic nerds (and
    SJW’s), are population sinks, and finally they take us far from the environment
    in which we have evolved over the last few million years – they are altogether
    very unhealthy for humanity

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  35. “So now there’s new spores growing all over China.” I don’t think so! Where did you learn your Microbiology? Are you drinking the Vodka again? Viruses do not form spores. Bacteria and algal cells form spores not viruses. Viruses are nothing more than a piece of Nucleic Acid (either DNA or RNA) and a protein coat and or a fat coat. They are not really considered living by most scientists.

    They use the cell’s own machinery to reproduce and “break” in —– usually damaging the cell membrane to do it. Bacteria usually reproduce asexually in the system. Antibiotics do not work on viruses unless they are given for a secondary bacterial infection.

    The scary part of this is that this virus may be a combo virus from two different animals and then mutated. This is why these nutbag Marxists will kill us all with open borders.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  36. I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  37. @Belarusian Dude

    play nice or i will sneeze on you ^__^
    aaaaaa chu!

    • Disagree: Belarusian Dude
  38. @Smith

    Bởi vì nếu tao muốn giết một ai đó, thì chí ít tao sẽ tự tay tao làm. Còn nếu không làm được thì thôi đừng làm, cũng đừng mong gì hết và đừng tỏ vẻ ta đây giỏi lắm. Mày giống Hillary Clinton trong khoản không dám tự làm bẩn tay mình đấy, mày biết không?

    Roughly translated:

    Because if I want to kill someone else, I will do it myself at least. If I can’t do it then I don’t do it, I don’t wish to do it and I don’t act like I am the best one. Do you know you are similar to Hillary Clinton on not dirty your own hand?

    • Replies: @Smith
  39. Media manufactured hysteria?

    [MORE]

    Me Chinese.
    Me wok hard.
    Me be doctor, by cheating far.

    Me eat Bat
    Year of Rat.
    Sell, not burn in Vat.

    Me get sik
    Die for all.
    Bring about world’s fall.

    China great!
    World’s fate.

    It’s just SARs Goy.
    It’s just MARs, boy.
    As you go down down down
    To the dark of Goblin town.
    Whip, snap, the wracks hack
    Down down down you go my lad.

    John Brennan one of Trums and the Wests most ruthless enemies pointedly mentioned ‘Contagion’ on 21 Jan 20 in his Tweet about Donald Trump. There are Chinese in China who hate Chinese and hate Xi. And hate the West too.

    Wuhan Umbrella Corporation.

    Just another SARs?

    Largest O-naught in recorded history.
    3-4 week slow burn a/Multi-Symptomatic gestation, followed by
    Sudden onset Pneumonia death and organ failure
    Immune system Cytokine Blizzard for repeat exposures.
    Generationally mutating via slow burn.
    Air-bourne transmission.
    50 million plus martial quarantine.
    1:10-14 transmission ratio.
    Ground Zero largest transportation hub in the world.
    Time of catalyst, largest human migration in the world Chinese New Year. By the world’s largest diaspora.
    55% mortality rate based on course completed specimens. Subject to dedicated full spectrum medical care.
    It’s only second gen and it’s already outpacing SARs by magnitudes compared to SARs entire life cycle.

    Is there a vaccine? Who knows.

    Long gestation means we already have it. It’s just the weak dying first, not exclusively.

    Find your Priest, your Rabbi and your Sensei and repent.

    We’re all going to die, down here.

    Corona Chan loves Isr ael
    Corona Chan loves China.
    Corona Chan loves Islam.
    She loves all, everyone is equal.
    Corona Chan for the ruling nation.
    Corona Chan, loyal sentry at her station!

    Don’t be racist to Corona Chan!
    Corona Chan for affirmative action.
    Corona Chan for the Ivy League.
    Corona Chan defeats all redaction.
    Corona Chan for globalism!
    Corona Chan, last mobilisation!

    No borders for Corona Chan!
    Love not hate, don’t discriminate! Not for Corona Chan!
    Inclusion and diversity for Corona Chan!
    Tolerance for her burning embraces!
    Openness to her lust.
    One World’s Empress.
    Her visage to all be impressed!

    So beautiful, so deadly, a real dragon lady!

    We’re all going to die down here.

    Then what happens?

    Heaven’s quarantine. Why should they let us in for our sins that cry out for vengeance? Why shouldn’t they guard their borders against our darkness and evil?

    God have mercy on all intelligence, man, and machine.

    This is an attempt or accident to try and genocide the human race. It isn’t just SARs. SARs was likely a precursor.

    It’s not targeted at the Chinese. This could cut us all down in a matter of months.

    Contagion was the predictive programming. But that has much worse characteristics via a slower onset.

    If we’re all still alive on the surface in 5 months which is about four and a bit generations and the deaths didn’t hit 8 figures we’ve got through.

    They should never have done the experimentation. Its insanity.

    One hopes we can survive 2020 and the forces in conflict.

    May our lady watch over China and all the nations of the world. Pray we make it to 2021

    • Agree: Adûnâi
  40. @Hail

    Surprised that as a mathematician Derb doesn’t seem to have an intuitive grasp of exponential dynamics with respect to pandemics, e.g. the 26 deaths he cites is already at 41. We are also just a bit more than a month into Corona and already at almost 20% of the total number of SARS cases ever.

    It would be very good if the “it will soon blow over” optimists were right but I have yet to hear a convincing argument. How exactly is it supposed to happen? I’m assuming it’s not going to become less contagious, because those strains would just get selected against. So the main hope is for a mutation that reduces mortality. A vaccine is at least many months away (then many more months for certification and large scale production), if it gets made at all.

    The comparisons with ebola are also off the mark. Ebola curtailed its own growth potential by killing most of its victims. And transmission was much harder, you’d basically need to vomit blood over someone to infect them. This made it much easier to control.

  41. Smith says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Vậy mày đừng làm, hãy để virus làm. Và Hillary Clinton, LOL, việc Tàu bỏ độc giết người là chuyện thường tình nhi nữ hơn cả ngàn năm qua, chả cần nói gì đến ai trong thế kỷ 21.

    No translation needed.

    @Anatoly Karlin:
    To be fair, it can just infect a lot of people but not be strong enough to kill them (for healthy males at least, the majority of dead so far is still the old and weak). We will see in the upcoming months.

    Though it is true that this has killed more chinks than SARS did it in first week, so the people blowing this off is either ignorant or tries to damage control.

    The R0 is what’s important here, remember that even the Black Death just kills one person in the beginning.

  42. @Anatoly Karlin

    You might want to familiarise yourself with the meaning of the term virulent and the difference between virulent and contagious.

  43. An epidemic of biblical proportions might not be a bad thing.

    This thought comes not from any Malthusian sentiments on my part but from a lifelong case of acute misanthropy. It’s one of the reasons I am such a poor representative of christianity. I fail miserably at the command to “love your neighbor as yourself.” I love neither my neighbor or myself. Or maybe I love myself more than I ought. I don’t know but I get a real migraine thinking about it. Anyway, climate change, overpopulation, diminishing resources.

    So the best advice I can offer comes from that Dark Angel of Mercy, Lydia Lunch, “It’s time to stop complaining, quit your crying, and embrace the coming end times.”

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  44. @Smith

    Nghe cho kĩ đây, tao chỉ trích mày là cái loại to mồm và mày nên suy nghĩ trước khi nói. Mày cần phải chữa bệnh Sinophobia ngay đi vì nó làm mày mất tỉnh táo. Nếu mày đọc kỹ lịch sử thì mày sẽ thấy có mấy nước còn ác hơn Trung Quốc gấp vạn lần như Thổ, Mỹ, Israel và bọn tay sai. Mày cứ thử so sánh xem thì biết. Trung Quốc chỉ là thằng cơ hội không hơn không kém và nó chẳng thâm như mình tưởng đâu. Tao biết rõ Tàu nó đế quốc như thế nào và tao biết cả khối người ở Unz Review toàn Sinophilia. Nhưng khi mày luận tội Tàu, thì mày phải chuyện nào ra chuyện đó chứ không phải cái gì cũng đổ hết lên Tàu được. Đừng nghĩ dùng cái từ “Chink” là giúp cho Việt Nam tốt hơn Tàu, nó chỉ làm Việt Nam hạ đẳng hơn Tàu. Mày nên mong bọn cầm quyền chết chứ không phải người dân Trung Quốc.

    Roughly Translated:

    Listen carefully, I criticism your big mouth and you should think before talk. You should treat your Sinophobia because it make you insane. If you review history carefully then you will find out there are countries that are more brutal than China like Turkey, USA, Israel, and their lackeys. China is just an opportunism and China is not smart like we thought. I know China is an imperialism country and I know bunch of people in Unz Review is Sinophilia. But when you talk about China crime, you must talk TRUE China crime, and don’t blame anything on China. Don’t think use the word “Chink” can make Vietnam better than China, it just make Vietnam more inferior than China. You should hope Chinese elites die not common Chinese.

    • Replies: @Smith
  45. @Anatoly Karlin

    Ebola curtailed its own growth potential by killing most of its victims.

    Killing all victims was not the issue, the issue was the difficult transmission. It doesn’t have to keep you alive after you have already infected many others.

  46. Smith says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Sinophobia? Sinophilia? Mày dùng từ ngữ tiếng Anh, tao không hiểu LOL. Cứ chỉ trích đi, mày có miệng mày nói, tao có miệng tao nói.

    Và cho mày biết, Tàu là một trong nhưng đế quốc cổ nhất thế giới, tội ác của Tàu hơn gấp ngàn lần mấy thằng trung đại như Thổ hay hiện đại như Mỹ. Tội ác của Tàu có thể so sánh với tụi Do thái vì đất nước cả hai bọn này đều có trước Công nguyên. Người Châu Á nói Tàu là Do thái của Châu Á chả sai.

    Và tao thích dùng chữ “chink” đấy, tao không cần hạ đẳng hay trung đẳng, chỉ cần đúng sự thật mà thôi.

    No translation needed.

  47. @reiner Tor

    Whatever its origins, it’s now spreading like a common cold.

    That could be because Coronavira, aside from this particular strain, are one of the more common cold vira.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  48. @The Alarmist

    Yes, of course. So it’s going to spread very quickly, regardless of whether or not you visit the Wuhan food market.

  49. @Smith

    Làm gì mà nổi xung thế? Mày làm tao sặc cười!!!! Tao tưởng mày giỏi Tiếng Anh hơn tao nên tao gõ hai từ “Sinophobia” và “Sinophilia” để tiết kiệm thời gian gõ. Mày bảo mày không biết Tiếng Anh tức là mày nhờ ai trả lời hộ à? Sao mày không chịu khó dịch như tao đi hay mày không muốn người khác biết mày nói gì nên mày không dịch? Nếu mày dùng từ “Chink” thì mày nên để bọn Tàu gọi mình là “Annamite”. Mày so sánh lại đi thì mày sẽ thấy Trung Quốc không ác bằng AngloZionism đâu.

    Roughly translated:

    Why are you so angry? You make me laugh!!!! I thought your English is better than me so I type two word “Sinophobia” and “Sinophilia” to save more time to type. You say you don’t know English that mean you ask someone answer for you, don’t you? Why you don’t try translate like I do or you just don’t want people know what you say so you don’t translate? If you use the word “Chink” the you let Chinese use the word “Annamite”. Try to compare again then you will find out that China is not brutal like AngloZionism.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Smith
  50. @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    You say Sinophobia, but you probably mean Sinomisia.

  51. Smith says:
    @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Ôi, mày lại dùng nhiều từ tiếng Anh nữa rồi.

    Xin lỗi, ngộ 2 lúa không biết nhiều tiếng Anh, phiền mày kiếm người Việt nào dịch ra cho ngộ hiểu nhé!

    No translation needed.

  52. Itsokay says:

    This ‘Corona Chan’ thing is ridiculous.

    It’s just people reacting out of fear with supposed bravado to the shock of what they see. But if there is one thing that unites people it’s a common adversary, like a contagion such as this.

    Those poor people in China deserve support.

    And this is one time where internationalism is both appropriate and apposite, and it will be effective.

    I hope whoever is monitoring these comments understands fear driven irony. And also that these states are temporary, and deliberately cultivated. No one is going to spread this evil thing deliberately, which is probably the fear. It’s just a bunch of dumb kids engaging in bravado and posturing, and actually empathy for Chinese citizens. It’s just imagining themselves in their awful situation. If this thing spreads people will make their peace as they prefer, or resist as they can. But collectively.

    It looks like as always the little people are the victims of others’ incompetence and conspiracy.

    Unz review commenters should stop with the nihilism and end times rhetoric. Whilst still understanding the gravity of what has happened and could happen.

    This can and will be contained, at varying cost. If we have it already from our interactions with Chinese and it’s our time, it’s our time.

    The Chinese shouldn’t have built a lab like that so close to a live animals market.

  53. Well, not so nice here in Hong Kong, though the authorities have stopped direct flights and trains from Wuhan. It is now officially an ’emergency’, but they haven’t closed the border with the mainland:

    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1504802-20200125.htm

    Face masks sold out everywhere…we had a few extra boxes at home, so we’re okay, and we ordered more via Amazon since that will probably be faster than waiting for local shops. Even medical workers are having a hard time finding masks:
    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1504587-20200124.htm

    Now, do we get a division of mainland troops on the streets to ‘help’ us through this crisis? This is a chance for the kommunists to do what they’ve been dreaming of doing for a long time…

    Watch those travel restrictions on the mainland stay in place for the long term; Emperor-For-Life Xi won’t waste this opportunity.

  54. They should just add -100 Social Credits points for eating weird shit, instead of going through this process every 5 years
    I still remember the Avian flu hysteria

  55. I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN! TAKE MY ENERGYYYYY

  56. @Itsokay

    What are you talking about? We’re all sad and disappointed because this virus is not only not killing 90+% of humans, but it also doesn’t make apes smarter. So what’s the point of it?

    • LOL: iffen
    • Replies: @Itsokay
  57. Pheasant says:
    @Just passing through

    Go back to MPC and be a worthless cynical generation xer there.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  58. The Chines could lose 750 million and it would change nothing.

    There are many Chines.

  59. Itsokay says:
    @reiner Tor

    There are limits to what can be said or surmised evidently. But suffice to say. If this virus isn’t contained in its first generations, the first of your points could occur. Due to the corrollary sub events of a threshold level of lethality. Not just in China. But everywhere.

    This is an event that threatens everyone. Not just the Chinese people. Everyone. And I think now that it can be contained, but at varying levels of cost.

    I wouldn’t be so cavalier with those kind of statements. Anyway, that’s enough said on this matter beyond praying for it’s successful resolution and clinical targeting of it’s instigation. The Chinese have acted proportionately to the level of the event, and more action remains. The empathy for those quarantined now and in the future is real.

    These are very momentous times.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  60. @A123

    The cutie with pink hair is Ebola-chan.

    Corona-chan is on the way!

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/corona-chan

    • Replies: @A123
  61. @Itsokay

    The virus is unlikely to kill many young people. Therefore, it won’t destroy humanity or even slow down population growth. If it kills many old people (mostly over 60) and people with severe chronic ailments, then it might perversely be beneficial by killing off pensioners and other dependents.

    The main points could be found in the Karlin post: many people, perhaps a third of the population of the planet will catch it, they will have the symptoms ranging from a common cold to severe pneumonia, and a small portion of them are going to die. There is a small chance that it will develop into something more lethal, but it’s not terribly likely. Getting pneumonia is pretty shitty in and of itself, so better avoid it. Lest I forget, it’s pretty much impossible to contain its spread at this point.

    There’s nothing we can do about it, and I don’t think we can add much to the above points. But if you have anything productive to say, don’t hesitate to share it with us.

    • Replies: @LondonBob
  62. iffen says:
    @Just passing through

    to be disproportionately killing the old and weak,

    SJW totalitarians introduced it in order to take out Bernie and Trump voters.

    • Agree: LondonBob
    • Replies: @songbird
  63. LondonBob says:
    @reiner Tor

    Remainers have been hoping for something to kill off all those old British people who voted for Brexit, or Gammon as they called them.

    Depressing that the benign scenario is that its inevitable spread across the global only kill a fair chunk of the old and poorly.

    • Replies: @iffen
  64. iffen says:
    @LondonBob

    I ain’t skeered, I’ve been drinking a sixpack of vaccination off and on for years.

  65. Alfred says:
    @last straw

    In the past, intensive-farming in close proximity of pigs and ducks was being blamed for the different versions of flu coming out of China. I am no microbiologist but I suspect that there is some relationship between flu, SARS and coronavirus. At least in the mechanism that leads to their development. Bats and snakes might not be the originators of this plague even they might be the vectors.

    SARS: Another Deadly Virus From the Meat Industry (2003)

    China has already lost around half its pig population due to African Swine fever. I cannot help wondering it the Americans have a hand in all of this. 🙁

    This year’s celebrations come on the heels of an outbreak of African swine fever that has wiped out half of China’s pig population and sent pork prices skyrocketing. (Jan 24, 2020)

  66. @Anatoly Karlin

    So the main hope is for a mutation that reduces mortality. A vaccine is at least many months away (then many more months for certification and large scale production), if it gets made at all.

    Talk about wishful thinking. Despite media hype, there is still no effective vaccine or treatment for SARS-CoV. The best public officials hope for at this point is early detection and quarantine. What scares them is the relative environmental durability of CoV strains when compared to other viruses, as it remains virulent for some time on various surfaces onto which it has been spread, particularly in cooler environments (Coronavira are frequent sources of winter colds). In that respect, we in the relatively cooler developed world have more to fear than those in warmer climes.

    BTW, Ebola can survive on dry surfaces, like doorknobs and countertops, for several hours, so don’t think you are safe because a victim is not bleeding, coughing, sneezing, or vomiting on you. Think of that the next time you see the recent migrants working the kitchen of your favourite restaurant.

  67. Nodwink says:

    POLITICO:

    President Donald Trump said today the U.S. has a deadly Chinese coronavirus “totally under control” and there are no worries of a pandemic.

    OK, it’s time to panic.

    • LOL: reiner Tor
  68. TG says:

    Interesting, isn’t it, that domestic dogs don’t get the flu or suffer terrible pandemics? That’s because dogs get quarantined when going from country to country, and there are rules.

    We get the flu every year only because a minority of the population has the luxury of jet travel between countries. The annual flu season would end if we restricted human travel. I’m not saying we should (or even, at present, could) do that, just stating a fact.

    But as the rich keep jamming ever more people onto the planet, there may come a time when we just can’t afford this freedom anymore, and human travel will be as regulated as that of domestic animals.

    I mean, if we have tens of billions of humans spread all over the world, living in all levels of misery, exposed to all manner of animals and drugs etc., and every place is connected to every other place, the world will then be a massive Petri dish designed to create as many new human pathogens as possible. At some point the system will stop working. We can’t vaccinate everyone against a thousand new diseases, can we?

    • Replies: @iffen
  69. LondonBob says:
    @The Alarmist

    I assume like other colds it breeds quicker in cold weather, we get colds in the summer but often don’t notice them as the immune system deals with them so quickly. Lets contain it as long as possible, at least we aren’t far off spring.

  70. @The Alarmist

    Ebola is not very contagious, the average ebola patient will infect just slightly over one person until death or healing.

    This coronavirus is highly contagious, and so pretty different from the earlier much hyped outbreaks like SARS. It’s very likely that it will spread across the globe.

    And yes, vaccination is not very easy for each of the viruses, influenza (flu) is an example of a virus (or family of viruses) where only partial immunization is possible, whether the regular one or some more exotic version like the avian flu. Though I believe that with SARS (which is basically nonexistent since 2003) or most coronaviruses (which, after all, usually don’t cause anything more serious than a simple cold) there was very little motivation to create a vaccine. But it’s far from sure such a vaccine is even possible.

  71. iffen says:
    @TG

    We can’t vaccinate everyone against a thousand new diseases, can we?

    If there’s enough money to made we could.

  72. At least the Chinese are doing something to contain it. Americans fought tooth and nail to allow their HIV-infected citizens to spread the AIDS virus throughout the world. They did not quarantine San Francisco when it appeared, they did not quarantine USA when it spread nationwide, and when other countries tried to quarantine and deport American visitors with HIV they claimed it infringed on human rights, i.e. their right to spread this vile disease to the world.

  73. @MichaelHD

    At least, you’re not the only idiot … AK takes the cake!

  74. @Priss Factor

    “Why can’t they eat like normal human beings?”

    Because during the food shortages/mass famine under Mao, they were forced to eat everything in sight to the extent that there were no birds left in China’s cities.

  75. This will all blow over and be forgotten in a month.

    The best post apocalyptic/plague novel is The Road not The Stand

  76. @The Alarmist

    My wife worked as a counselor to poor women, one of whom had two kinds of hepatitis. This woman worked as a food handler in one of America’s largest fast food restaurant chains. (one which serves much of its food raw, uncooked)

    I will never eat at that chain again.

    Whatever happened to that certificate of health restaurant workers had to obtain from a doctor? When I was a busboy 50 years ago I had to have a chest X-ray and a clean bill of health from my Doc.

  77. @Hail

    Derbyshire has a vested interest in pooh-poohing the negative effects of anything coming out of his newly found “motherland” for the man is infested with the Yellow fever!

    • Agree: Sunshine
  78. @ThreeCranes

    “Because during the food shortages/mass famine under Mao, they were forced to eat everything in sight to the extent that there were no birds left in China’s cities.”

    Nonsense. Chinese people have been eating exotic animals since their civilization began.

    In fact there’s an old joke told in China; Cantonese (Guangdong) people are very industrious, they can do any job well except zookeeper. (the joke being that they’d eat their charges)

  79. I’m surprised at the lack of foresight in these comments. Obviously it’s easy to say that this probably won’t be the big one off of a simple heuristic like “chance low,” but that only means when the big one comes around the same people will be saying “who could have predicted this” like the fools they are.

    If this approaches epidemiary power the world order will likely see the collapse of the CCP but a militant Chinese dictatorship at large in the region. It’s doubtful China’s less developed neighbors will benefit from this.

    It seems to me that given recent disclosures that the so-called nuclear deterrent is off the table. The Chinese being eminently practical have opted not to build a significant number of nuclear warheads, which suggests that they have been apprised of the World Order such as it is. It will mean war and the subsequent reduction of the Asian population to levels more manageable for “them.”

    Expect Hong Kong and Taiwan to be destroyed. Japan will probably survive. Asia to finally be brought to heel for the last time.

  80. @ThreeCranes

    Don’t put the blame on the monster Mao … you’re talking about a hundred-year egg loving race.

  81. Itsokay says:

    The Wuhan BSL-4 Lab was under the auspices of a doctor Gary Ades, an expert on Bat Corona viruses and their development. This virus has the form of a pneumonia virus alongside a protein profile of Bat SARs like virus, which in combination can only be artificial.

    The Wuhan Lab used the insignia and name of the Umbrella Corporation. Why? Because limited disclosures and symbolism. It seemed to serve a similar function.

    [MORE]

    John Brennan gave a signal using the word ‘Contagion’ on January 21st. China has had its own rogue elements. Some escalation occurred subsequently. The weapon was used on the Mainland at a time it’s deployment would reach the West almost contemperaneously.

    The Media arm of the Deep State being CNN etc were trying to tell the American public that this was just another false alarm like SARs. Somewhat disturbing. But not a civilization destroying national security annihilating magnitude level event. They have engaged in the highest form of treason.

    In reality the characteristics of this strain are such it could have killed and could still kill at an unprecedented level. Totally unprecedented. All ages. It is a strain seemingly designed for maximum contagion with extreme mortality in circumstances of system overload. This is one of the deadliest potential events ever.

    Then, a so called antidote could be provided at a later time, to whatever shattered remnant remained, via a new form of Supra national quasi private governance.

    If Xi hadn’t imposed ruthless and ongoing quarantines during CNY, the virulence and profligacy of transmission would have led to mass outbreaks everywhere. On an exponential curve. As bad as in China. Totally unstoppable.

    This looks like it was an attempt to cull humanity. A la the Georgia Guidestones. And it failed, or hasn’t succeeded in totem. Maybe there will be more attempts to percolate the virus.

    Xi’s action alluded to by Trump has saved untold lives. In the West, not just in China. Now, the question is what happens next.

    Targeted renditions against anyone involved in this scenario are a necessity. They should get half time in the US and then whatever is left goes to China. Or vice versa. Maybe split the difference.

    This is one theory.

    Too many coincidences around the timing and coordination and characteristics and protocols behind this event.

    This particular virus, at this particular time, under these conditions, with the narrative of the MSM who always 100% unequivocally lie.

    Just a theory.

    Could be wrong. Could just be Chinese incompetence. But something hasn’t seemed right about this scenario from the beginning.

    Whatever else has happened, Xi’s ruthless quarantines have given the West a chance to contain this. Without that quarantine, even institutions in the West acting sincerely instead of traitorously couldn’t have possibly contained the contagion. Whether they can now is still uncertain. But now there is a chance.

    Media have had to cover the quarantine. Xi could have encouraged transmission via increased not halted travel. He seems to have made a choice. Now it looks like China is locking down travel from China.

    If this was alternatively just a bioweapon developed by China subject to human error for China that logic remains.

    Nothing is ever as it seems. It’s strange the epicentres of the contagion haven’t seemed to reach particular regions.

    We’ve also been conditioned to a level of callousness that is startling. Blithe acceptance of the killings of the young, old and vulnerable. That’s also a sign of a completed programmatic conditioning.

    What happens next is we see how the virus executes under much more constrained conditions then existed, and then the consequences that follow. We can expect a massive spike of cases in the next 2 weeks, as asymptomatic cases present in the West. We have to contain it at that point, due to the ratio of infection to carrier. There have already been presentations after 3 weeks. 3 weeks of contamination. Extrapolate. Consider the lethality of condition of completions to recoveries. Then you start to understand. This virus is the perfect agent.

    But there is a chance now. This was meant to be an extinction level event. But now the probabilities are swinging in favour of survival. Possibly, even total bypass.

    The main point is that without the sacrifices of the Chinese, this was going to be much worse then the terrible event it’s still going to be.

    ..

    .

    • Replies: @neprof
  82. I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN.
    Shadow the Baizuo and spare the good Shūshu.

  83. sex says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

  84. A123 says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    The cutie with pink hair is Ebola-chan.

    Oooops. The Shepherd’s Crook hair does give it away. Just to be on the safe side.

    I LOVE YOU 😍😍 EBOLA-CHAN 😍😍
    ______

    I forgot to mention the original PANDEMIC (Z-Man) as a gaming choice.

    https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/30549/pandemic

    😷 PEACE 😷

    • LOL: Sick of Orcs
  85. songbird says:
    @iffen

    Nah, Bernie is old, but his voters skew younger. It is his communist appeal.

  86. dvorak says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

  87. The Spanish flu was actually the American flu, originating at Fort Riley, Kansas. There is probably a 60% chance it was deliberately created for and used in WW I.

    Fred Reed asked in one of his columns how the U.S. could stop the Chinese economy from overtaking the U.S. economy. It looks like we might have an answer.

    The U.S. and its allies have been caught lying about chemical weapons (WMD) in Syria and corrupting the OPCW.

    So, basically, nothing is beyond the pale with these people.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

  88. @Smith

    Ủa vậy mày không phải người Việt mà là người Trung Quốc à? Hmm…

    Roughly Translated:

    Oops, so you are Chinese not Vietnamese? Hmm…

    “Ngộ” is an Âm Nôm (喃音) word means “I”.

    LOL!!!!

  89. @The Alarmist

    What do you mean “Sinomisia”?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  90. Itsokay says:

    Xi has just announced orders that anyone who spits on doctors for refusing to treat them will be shot on sight. Alternatively life in prison for asymptomatics.

    Hospitals have begun to shut down as doctors become infected in China.

    As I have surmised, this event was meant to be a genocide of the human race worldwide. It may yet be.

    [MORE]

    Our position is precarious. China has to contain the virus now, before a collapse that could entail contamination into the West as people flee the mainland as carriers. Then, contamination would lance into every reachable inhabited region.

    The West has to secure containment of it’s respective states, in preparation for the massive influx of presentations that will occur at the end of this second/third gen in the next 2 weeks.

    Every infected has to be traced and quarantined, or they will instigate individually an exponential curve. The infection ratio is so high, it’s designed precisely to achieve exponential virulence. That’s been modelled. That’s why long gestation and asymptomatic gestation have caused consternation among epidemiologists.

    Both China and the West have to succeed now.

    If Coronvirus mutates to fifth and sixth gen without successful containment we get to broken arrow territory. Sufficient infection will lead to civic breakdown and the onset of corrollary sub pathologies, bacterial, civic conflict, cessation of urban waste removal, water, supply chains, parallel viral etc. Lethality is very high in the viruses own right. However incapacitation is arguably even more dangerous. That leaves populations even more prostrate to bad actors.

    Pray harder then you’ve ever prayed before and cooperate with authorities.

    And give recognition to the agonies and sacrifice of China. Because regardless of why this weapon was deployed, now we are all in a silent deadly struggle to survive.

    This isn’t about nation states at this point.

    Then when we triumph, the people responsible should face justice commensurate with the degree of their crimes.

    The Chinese are less inhibited then the West.

    Use self salinization protocols. Individual opsec is now group opsec.

    This is real. This is real. It’s real.

    ..

    .

  91. neprof says:
    @Itsokay

    A contagion that’s lethal in mostly 50+ year-old occurs at the same time new laws for inherited IRAs goes into effect?
    Hmm, large loss of life of those 50+, inherited retirement money that must be spent in 10 years time (economic boom with huge gov’t tax receipts) with social security and medicare payments decreasing substantially. All allow the gov’t debt can to be kicked down the road for another 50 years.

    Coincidence? Maybe.

    • Replies: @Bert
  92. They need to stop eating bats, Dogs, cats , Monkeys and all sort of so called exotic animals.

    Not being prejudiced bu the Chinese seem to have an appetite for some creepy delicacies to cure all sorts of ailment or enhance their sex drive and other nonsense.
    In a country where selling Tiger penis is an ultra luxury and Dog and Cat meat is on the market stalls a virus such as this one should not be a surprise.

    It is high time that the Chinese government enforce a law where eating such species be deemed illegal in order to prevent further creation of other deadly viruses .

    https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-chinese-wet-market-photos-2020-1#the-wuhan-coronavirus-outbreak-isnt-considered-a-pandemic-however-13

  93. For anyone interested, this is the current situation of the Wuhan 2019-nCoV outbreak as of midnight, January 25, 2020, including situational updates from locals.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    And, for the information of seemingly too many people in the US, there is no bio-weapons lab in Wuhan, much less in or near the seafood market where this virus may have originated.

    And again, for the information of too many people in the US, while the population of one province in Southern China does have a habit of eating strange things, no culinary practice is quite so charming as that of pretty Mid-Western American girls gulping down ‘prairie oysters’ – bull testicles to you.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @FvS
  94. Itsokay says:

    For all Asian readers – this is not an attack by the West on China.

    For Western readers this is not an attack by China against its own people to reach the West.

    This is a weapon deployed against all nations, by people who have loyalty to no nation.

    This operation was designed specifically to destroy ALL nations.

    John Brennan the Deep State criminal does not represent the United States of America. Nor do the traitor media and the Deep State functionaries Chinese and Western who have facilitated this crime against humanity.

    American liberal media has lied to the American people about the danger they have been exposed to. They are complicit in this. They have committed treason that defies comprehension. They have created a narrative designed to kill Americans in vast numbers.

    This isn’t about nation states any more. This is about the preservation of order against conspiracy that recognises allegiance to no nation and against God.

    So don’t move against each other. We are all in this together. Okay?

    If China falls, and Xi fails, the Virus carriers will overwhelm the West from all corners of the globe. Chinese carriers will have penetrated Africa. Africa has a cycle into the West that is constant. We have no border controls now, remember? Could this be one purpose behind that?

    We are interdependent. Our mutual survival is dependent on each other. If either the West or China falls to this Virus it will mean the fall of the other in swift turn, yes? If the West falls, China’s total contamination means it will have no external support. The latest news indicates contamination across all China provinces and municipalities.

    We have to support each other. China and the West. Or we both fall.

    This is a new paradigm.

    Once we resolve this, then we can talk. But first survival.

    And there is no little mini conspiracy to Target pensioners. This is a roaring forest fire that will consume everything if it gains the slightest headwind. Young, old, immune system stable and compromised.

    This is real. This is real. It’s real.

    ..

    .

  95. denk says:

    [MORE]

    A New Definition of Warfare
    Sanctions can be more deadly than bullets.

    What’s better than a pandemic attack ?
    Washington doesnt even need to impose sanction, people’d voluntarily avoid the victim like plague !

    ———————

    FUKUS [fuck UK, US]
    JUST SENT THIS GONG HEI FAT CHOY TO THE CHINESE….

    THE ULTIMATE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT…..

    YOu really couldnt fault the [[[bastards]]] for their choice of Crime venue…

    Wuhan is a powerhouse of China’s industries,
    also its the hub of TW investments.
    A prolong shut down would hit China’s economy where it hurts.

    Its a major hub of China’s fast rails and have air links to dozens of countries,
    The outbreak was timed to coincide with the annual exodus of Chinese workers to go home for Chinese new year.
    These two factors would ensure the max speed of propagation,/

    And……
    This happens to be the site of a brand new BSL4 biolab,

    A casual browse on the net yields the predictable or perhaps anticipated reaction…

    Was there a leak from the lab ?
    The Chinese are stupid building a biolab so near to the market,

    There’r even scumbags who suggest…
    Is this a Chinese FF, ?
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/open-thread-2020-06.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a503b6d5200b#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a503b6d5200b

    As this author observes…

    Even popular Alt Media platforms are being used to float planted propaganda and false narratives — PREEMPTIVELY — in order to deflect any and all attention from this transparent bio-terror attack by the West. See this purposeful headline, which is usually issued by the CIA’s Mockingbird Media, as an example of such a diversionary tactic and strategic misdirection: The Real Umbrella Corp:
    Wuhan Ultra Biohazard Lab Was Studying “The World’s Most Dangerous Pathogens”.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5231#more-5231

    As [[[they]]] expected, now the focus is on
    those dirty and stupid Chinese and…
    CCP bastards who gass poison
    their own people !!!

    Clever eh , those [[[SOBS]]] !!!

    P.S.
    Dont get confused, [[[]]] = FUKUS AKA FUCK UK, US

  96. Amon says:

    Too late for you Muricans!

    https://wsbt.com/news/local/confirmed-case-of-coronavirus-in-chicago-3-suspected-cases-in-michigan

    Oh well, with a little luck Chicago will be rid of its unsavory elements thanks to the power of Mother Nature.

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
  97. At least if I die from this, I can blame it on free trade.

    • Agree: aandrews
  98. @Anatoly Karlin

    “Surprised that as a mathematician Derb doesn’t seem to have an intuitive grasp of exponential dynamics with respect to pandemics”

    he has an intuitive grasp of his Chinese wife’s and chinese children’s genetic identity, and he’ll reflexively defend them.

    like that Simpson’s video about Don’t Date Robots, we need a similar video for the dissident right about Don’t Date Asians.

    like Fred Reed, once you go native, you have trouble telling things like they are.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
    , @dvorak
  99. @Itsokay

    Holy Cow that’s some black pill..

    Memento Mori. Carry on…

    • Replies: @Itsokay
  100. Agent76 says:

    Feb 26, 2017 Bill Gates Just Warned a New Bioweapon Will Wipe Out 30 Million

    [MORE]

    January 19, 2020 Video: The WHO’s Vaccine Experts Inadvertently Communicate to the World that “Vaccine Hesitancy” Makes Scientific Sense

    Despite Its Recent Warnings About “Vaccine Hesitancy”, WHO “Experts” Acknowledge that the Claims About the Safety and Effectiveness of Vaccines were never Proven to be True.

  101. @Amon

    Was wondering about this…will this literally be the first real “blacks hit hardest” moment…if this spreads into the urban areas.

  102. Given how everyone has freaked out over all the past viruses that went global pandemic and killed everyone, of which there must have been at least a dozen in the last decade, (including some that didn’t even effect humans ie bird flu, and some that were basically just the flu ie swine flu), I’m just going to try scoffing at this one.

    East Asians walk around wearing surgical masks all the time.

    Make sure any entertainment is strictly thematic:

    Outbreak by Robert Tine

    The Andromeda Strain by Michael Crichton

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  103. Wanton speculation about nefarious bioweapons aside…

    I think an important consequence that hasn’t been discussed much in the comments is the economic damage to China and through linkage other countries that will result from this.

    Even assuming a ‘mild’ total casualty rate from this affair (low 1000’s or below), as long as people are afraid to spend much time (and hence money) in public the service sector will suffer a lot.

    In what is usually one of the most heavily spent periods of the year (Singles Day is also big but is more narrow), cinema releases have been delayed indefinitely, people are cancelling trips and are avoiding going out, both for eating and shopping, a lot of attractions (Forbidden City, Shanghai Disneyland, et al.) have closed, etc.

    The urban quarantines will also have an noticable negative economic effect if they are extended to even more cities or maintained for a longer duration.

    That is also not accounting for something perhaps a bit smaller but similar happening in other nations.

    So the Coronavirus can still cause a lot of headaches even if ‘optimist’ takes on the total death casualty rate by the time this ‘campaign’ finishes is not very high.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @Dreadilk
  104. @Unorthodox Black Sheep VN

    Not one who fears the Chinese, one who hates them.

  105. @Lars Porsena

    I think this one is more serious than any of the previous pandemic situations put together, because this one can spread so quickly.

    Even if it’s just a regular pneumonia for the vast majority of people, the bad news is that pneumonia in itself is a pretty shitty illness, and having a pneumonia spreading like the common cold is pretty bad news. That lots of weaker or elderly people will die in large numbers is just a bonus, though no doubt extra bad news for anyone with older family members.

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Hail
    , @iffen
  106. @Hyperborean

    I think there’s a non-negligible chance that it will be more damaging (or at least almost as damaging) to the West than China. Just there will be a delay, because it started in China, but the Black Death also was equally horrible in the West, just a little later.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  107. @The Alarmist

    Thank for your explain!

    I think “Sinophobia” is more correct than “Sinomisia” because Vietnamese like “Smith” fear China so much so they believe every evil things come from China and they even dare to sell out Vietnam to AngloZionism to escape from boogeyman China.

  108. Itsokay says:
    @OscarWildeLoveChild

    It’s not.

    It’s a white pill.

    Imagine a different scenario.

    Chinese New Year occurs unabated. 800 million people, including potentially millions of virus infected carriers diffuse through every country in the world. The Arabian gulf, Russia, Turkey, Europe, the United States, Australia, South East Asia. They silently and secretly infect the largest diaspora in the world and thousands of their contacts. All of this takes place under a 3-4 week asymptomatic gestation. No sign of virus infection.

    A base of infected hundreds of thousands if not millions strong explodes into the new year. At the 4 week mark the transition to sudden onset respiratory and organ and neurological failure occurs in a tidal wave. It overwhelms totally all nation state medical facilities and systems.

    Total chaos. Mass death as the infection Cascade gathers momentum and the virus mutates into deadlier forms.

    No sanctuary anywhere in the world, except in the DUMBs. The ARCs. Antarctica bases. Greenland. Maybe remotest Mongolia and Siberia.

    The virus rages killing tens of millions and hundreds of millions and related pathologies and mortality inducers cull even more.

    Then a cure emerges, which contains properties of mass command and control. The re-emergence of a stable political ruling class is accompanied by mass political liquidations of what survives of any undesirable and/or politically incorrect elements. This is a New World Order etc.

    Nation states are false flagged against each other as well, instigating war all the while. But Trump has made sure Xi knows this wasn’t an American operation. This was deep State non state actors.

    One could go on. That was the plan that has been averted.

    [MORE]

    By Xi’s swift and strong action. His firm quarantine and recognition of an approximate true state of the event, Trump’s anticipation and dissolution of sufficient Deep State to stop total US penetration. And maybe some divine luck.

    If this had been a different timeline we’d already all be dead coagulating on bloody perforated lungs. That’s what happens when the virus transitions to the Pneumonia condition.

    As it is, we have a chance. We can contain the virus in China and contain and neutralise it in the West. Just. If we’re lucky and have good fortune.

    We have a chance.

    Xi is not attacking the West. Trump is using his Q leverage on hostile Western actors to force them to act against the virus instead of assisting it.

    Even minimal cooperation with China is allowing survival.

    We can survive.

    In the other timeline everyone dies or is enslaved.

    Xi deserves real praise. If he wished, he could exploit Western open borders insanity and kill us all. He hasn’t done that. Instead China is acting for interdependent cooperation with the West.

    Because they understand I think the situation. If we fall they fall and vice versa.

    But once this situation is stabilised.

    Then I think the facilitators and accomplices are the subject of due attention by both China and the United States of America, and perhaps some of their less inhibited Satellites.

    It’s still going to be very tight.

    But we’re in the final down for this match and we have a shot. Twelth Innings bases loaded.

    The Liberal media pretending this was just a harmless seasonal SARs flu should all be handed over to the Chinese authorities for interrogation and psychological correction. I think that may happen, in some fashion.

    But yeah maybe it’s a grey pill. This is still a terrible event underway and we have to contain it now. Next 2 weeks is critical period window.

    • Agree: Bert
  109. @Felix Keverich

    Lots of people in Africa (granted, lots of Africans) don’t even believe in ebola.

    They think it’s a foreign aid scam.

    This song is mocking it. “Ebola! Don’t touch your friend. No eating something. It’s dangerous!”

  110. @prime noticer

    like that Simpson’s video about Don’t Date Robots, we need a similar video for the dissident right about Don’t Date Asians.

    Sounds great if you’re a white female who’s been bonked out of the dating/husband market by superior Asian and Latina women.

    If you’re a normal white male (like most people on the right)? No way. Keep your fat freckled gargoyle hands away from my Asian girl. Nobody wants or needs your bulldyke white women.

  111. @Ayatollah Smith

    Your link is interesting, but is that part true?

    viruses seldom jump species barriers without human assistance.

    I thought it was quite common.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  112. You omited the classic ’70s disaster movie The Andromeda Strain.

    • Agree: Crazy Horse
    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  113. EMP says: • Website

    Just would like to comment that you are incorrect about the mortality rate. Mortality rate is calculated by the total number of dead and total number cured/recovered. The true mortality rate is much higher. Any one of those 1300 could later go on to die and are not yet cleared. In other words they are not included in the mortality rate statistic. So the formula would be:

    (number dead / (number dead + number recovered))

    Using this formula the mortality rate is 52%.

    They also are being given intensive medical care. There is a point at which resources are constrained, that is, when there are more infected and not everyone is able to receive top quality care due to volume of patients. Deaths will rise at this time as well. Lastly, there is strong incentive by CCP to play down the numbers. Real numbers are likely higher than reported.

    I think it’s bad.

    • Agree: Bert
  114. Regarding the bioweapon angle, African Swine Fever has decimated China’s pork supplies recently. Pork is a staple protein, and this has happened during the height of the trade war. The pork shortage has pushed the Chinese government to turn to large purchases of US pork as a part of the phase one trade deal.

    African Swine Fever has been linked to US biowarfare in the past:

    https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/the-mystery-of-the-african-swine-fever-in-china-and-asia-201908260134

    [MORE]

    Between the mid-1960s and late ‘90s, Cuba accused the United States of 10 biological warfare attacks following serious infectious disease outbreaks. None were proven conclusively, but several probably occurred. In 1971, pigs in Havana hog farm were diagnosed with ASF virus, which spread and caused half a million pigs to be slaughtered. Cuba suffered food shortage. The UN labeled the outbreak the “most alarming event” of 1971.

    In 1977, the investigative journalists of Newsday, a Long Island daily, reported the virus was delivered from a US army base in the Panama Canal Zone; the site of joint Army-CIA covert operations in Latin America and the Caribbean.

    Reportedly, anti-Castro saboteurs, backed by the CIA, had introduced ASF into Cuba six weeks before the outbreak to destabilize the economy. US Army denied involvement. Nevertheless, Norman Covert, historian of Fort Detrick, Maryland – the center of US biowarfare from the mid-50s to late ‘60s – has said that CIA had access to these laboratories. Later, a CIA document confirmed that biological warfare was used in efforts to destabilize Cuba.

    Such efforts did not end with the Cold War. In 2000, neoconservatives behind the Bush administration flirted with the idea of “politically useful” ethnic bioweapons. That led Russia in 2007 to ban all exports of human bio samples.

    In October 2018, Russian Defense Ministry claimed that the spread of viral diseases from Georgia, including African swine fever since 2007, could be connected to a US lab network. In the area, more than 70 Georgians had died in mysterious conditions, which Moscow attributed to US toxins or bioweapons. Russia believed bio agents violated the prohibition of biological weapons.

    The lab network is part of the Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), which is funded by Pentagon’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA). The CBEP labs are located in 25 countries, particularly in Eastern Europe, and the Middle East, Africa and Southeast Asia, including Philippines.

  115. melpol says:

    During the black death in 19th Century Europe bodies were burned to prevent contagion Killing those contaminated while alive and burning their bodies will save the lives of millions. There is no other way of isolating the virus. Releasing those who are thought to be cured will spread the virus, they must be burnt and their ashes buried at sea. The lives of billions are in danger. Those with a temperature of over 102 must be executed quickly with an overdose of Morphine laced with Fentanyl.

  116. @reiner Tor

    I thought it was quite common.

    It isn’t and it has become increasingly less likely
    From the cow we got Measles, Smallpox and Tuberculosis, and the way this was achieved was by putting cows in dense cities with livestock openly walking (and doing other things) in the streets
    Since that is becoming less common with each passing year, viruses have fewer opportunities for species jumps

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @songbird
  117. @melpol

    +1. The only thing that can save us from Corona-chan is Satou-san.

  118. @Korenchkin

    Those dense cities were pretty small by today’s standards. The population of both humans and domestic animals exploded. The population of wild animals dramatically decreased, but because of the equally dramatic human population explosion, the absolute number of cases of humans eating wild animals might actually have increased, even if it’s rapidly declining on a per capita basis.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  119. dvorak says:
    @Itsokay

    Wuhan clade ain’t nothin to f— with

  120. dvorak says:
    @prime noticer

    like that Simpson’s video about Don’t Date Robots

    *Futurama

    • Agree: prime noticer
    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  121. Itsokay says:

    The fact we are bringing back potentially 1250 infected from China when every one of them could act as an exponential infection patient Zero is worrying.

    Ideology and bureaucratic malaise can’t be afforded.

    China is literally using light artillery against infected. We’re letting them loose in the community probably without any appropriate screening. Sigh. We’re wanted in the ground.

    Not like this.

    So now you know what is happening to the best of probabilities.

    Liberals probably aren’t going to change. So get comfy before we get this virus. It’s either defeated by the immune system, made dormant with periodic resurgency.

    Or you die.

    We should be stopping all outbound and incoming travel. It’s going to be hard enough to contain this as it is.

    It’s like bring the only man who can see the crack cascading down the pillar.

    • Replies: @Republic
  122. One big problem with the conspiracy theories is that either you accept that HIV, ebola, SARS, MERS, the avian and swine flu all came from animals (in which case the current outbreak just seems to be a normal event), or we have no basis to declare that none of these look like natural phenomena, because then we haven’t seen any natural phenomena at all, so how can we conclude that this or that was natural or not? We need other kind of evidence to conclude anything about these cases.

    But each of those seems like a pretty ineffective bioweapon. They only killed a handful of people (except HIV, which killed lots of homosexuals, drug addicts and Africans), and for example ebola didn’t even kill people in an important part of the world.

  123. Bert says:
    @reiner Tor

    I had pneumonia, probably beginning as viral because it followed a flu-like onset, in the backwoods of Brasil when I was 40 years old. I received no treatment nor food, was delirious for 2-3 days, coughed up handfuls of yellow mucus for 5 days, took three weeks to feel normal again. It was tough to say the least. At the beginning of the illness, I was physically fit and, based on other experiences, believe I have a good immune response.

    So the real problem is that for untreated pneumonia the mortality rate is significant, and if this virus spreads rapidly the number needing treatment will soon be beyond the capacity of the medical facilities in many parts of the world. A lot of people would live or die according to their own physiological and immune resources.

  124. Hail says: • Website
    @reiner Tor

    lots of weaker or elderly people will die

    Does we have the ages of the 41 confirmed deaths?

    More helpful than simple body count would be (the more subtle statistical measure of) “Total Number of Expected Years of Life Lost.” I am sure the serious researchers on epidemeology do something like this already.

    If the 41 victims all ranged in age from 70 to 95, that is a lot different, of course, than if all the victims were between ages 2 and 12.

    (Some epidemics are like the second; I have long-running genealogy interest; in where good records exist, you can find well-documented cases of epidemics that devastate young children in families but leave adults almost untouched. Like a 10% loss of all children in the area to a <0.5% loss of all adults.)

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  125. Walk says:

    “I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!”

  126. Dreadilk says:
    @Hyperborean

    This is making me reconsider what should be considered economy. Who gives a shit if some store clerk gets let go or some people don’t get paid for servicing you. Are factories fine? Is all the machinery there? Does the virus make your savings disappear? Then there is no problem.

    • Replies: @Hyperborean
  127. Lots of evidence the virus escaped from a lab and is nearly the same as bat SARS. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22147369

  128. songbird says:
    @Korenchkin

    The current thinking on TB has changed. Newer estimate is that it is 70,000 years old, and did not come from cows.

  129. aandrews says:

    I just hope it doesn’t mess up the Internet.

  130. @reiner Tor

    It’s not the eating, it’s the proximity and the lack of hygiene which provide the necessary ingredients for species jumps, and even then it is pretty random and rare which is why the dozen animals humans initially domesticated produced around 3 dangerous diseases each
    Today we have advanced medicine for livestock, not just humans, so that helps aswell

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  131. Republic says:
    @Itsokay

    Those US citizens have to pay back the US government for that Sunday flight at a much higher rate than normal commercial fare. The flight should be free!

  132. @dvorak

    The uncanny valley is the only thing saving us from Robot waifu armaggedon

  133. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    no doubt extra bad news for anyone with older family members

    Not to mention the older family members.

  134. @Hail

    Does we have the ages of the 41 confirmed deaths?

    It currently follows the pattern of the first wave of the Spanish Flu, overwhelmingly affecting the elderly.

    Though one theory I saw is that it’s likely that it was elderly people who were more concentrated around the Wuhan zoo-restaurant.

    • Replies: @Just passing through
  135. @Anatoly Karlin

    This will be good for China’s economy, less old people is always a good thing for society. I am still not quite sure why we let anyone live past the age of 70 in the West.

    • Troll: reiner Tor
  136. @Korenchkin

    So what about ebola, HIV, SARS, MERS, the avian flu and the swine flu? Were these all bioweapons?

    I can guarantee you that in Wuhan (and much of the world) there’s truckloads of unsanitary conditions.

    • Replies: @Korenchkin
  137. @reiner Tor

    I can guarantee you that in Wuhan (and much of the world) there’s truckloads of unsanitary conditions.

    Which is why it happens there
    There isn’t gonna be a plague coming from Hajnalstan

  138. ia says:

    China has already lost around half its pig population due to African Swine fever. I cannot help wondering it the Americans have a hand in all of this.

    More likely the Chinese feeding pigs strychnine to bloat them before slaughter. There was an article about this in the English edition Shanghai Daily News 12 years ago. I doubt things have changed.

  139. @Just passing through

    My posting career, formerly a medium-ish size dissident-right forum before it went behind a paywall, now idk. The site was the original place “bugman” was coined I believe, it was also the first place I ever heard the term “clownworld”.

  140. utu says:
    @reiner Tor

    Not all bioweapons must be based on lab engineered pathogens. Infectious diseases were used as bioweapons long before there was the germ theory and before there were technologies to modify bacterias and viruses. In any particular case the probability of determining whether a particular pathogen is “engineered” or “natural” is finite between 0 and 1. The rumors about the bioweapons can’t be dismissed: they are plausible and they can’t be disproven.

    “Attempts to use biological warfare agents date back to antiquity. Scythian archers infected their arrows by dipping them in decomposing bodies or in blood mixed with manure as far back as 400 BC. Persian, Greek, and Roman literature from 300 BC quotes examples of dead animals used to contaminate wells and other sources of water. In the Battle of Eurymedon in 190 BC, Hannibal won a naval victory over King Eumenes II of Pergamon by firing earthen vessels full of venomous snakes into the enemy ships.” – http://www.emedicinehealth.com/biological_warfare/article_em.htm

    “The last known incident of using plague corpses for biological warfare occurred in 1710, when Russian forces attacked the Swedes by flinging plague-infected corpses over the city walls of Reval (Tallinn).[10] However, during the 1785 siege of La Calle, Tunisian forces flung diseased clothing into the city.” – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare#Europe

    “During the Middle Ages, victims of the bubonic plague were used for biological attacks, often by flinging fomites such as infected corpses and excrement over castle walls using catapults. In 1346, during the siege of Caffa (now Feodossia, Crimea) the attacking Tartar Forces which were subjugated by the Mongol empire under Genghis Khan, used the bodies of Mongol warriors of the Golden Horde who had died of plague, as weapons. An outbreak of plague followed and the defending forces retreated, followed by the conquest of the city by the Mongols. It has been speculated that this operation may have been responsible for the advent of the Black Death in Europe. At the time, the attackers thought that the stench was enough to kill them, though it was the disease that was deadly.” – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_biological_warfare#Europe

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  141. R0 refers to a theoretical condition in which no preventive measures have been taken whatsoever. So if most people wear masks in the public, wash their hands when they get the chance, and strict quarantine methods are applied, the “actual R0” is much less. For example, the (theoretical) R0 for SARS was as high as 2-5, yet it was contained.

    https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/368/bmj.m308.full.pdf

    • Replies: @utu
    , @reiner Tor
    , @reiner Tor
  142. I bet the American people will line up for inoculations. This may be the big boost in bio-defense spending the usual suspects have been looking since the heady days of the Anthrax false flag. “We’re all going to be rich! “

  143. MEH 0910 says:

    Siberian Fox Retweeted:


    [MORE]

    • Thanks: reiner Tor
  144. utu says:

    The difference between the influenza mortality age-distributions of the 1918 epidemic and normal epidemics – deaths per 100,000 persons in each age group, United States, for the interpandemic years 1911–1917 (dashed line) and the pandemic year 1918 (solid line). – en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu

    A chart of deaths in major cities, showing a peak in October and November 1918

  145. EatMore says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    and have a Cornona for me!

  146. @reiner Tor

    But each of those seems like a pretty ineffective bioweapon. They only killed a handful of people (except HIV, which killed lots of homosexuals, drug addicts and Africans), and for example ebola didn’t even kill people in an important part of the world.

    Deploying a very effective bioweapon that’s very lethal to people has risks. It’s a major escalation that can invite retaliation or result in major blowback.

    A bioweapon that primarily attacks crops or protein sources while being relatively less effective against people can also being an effective weapon, akin to economic sanctions and warfare, and destabilizing to the enemy regime.

    In the context of the burgeoning Cold War between the US and China, the US strategy is to scale down trade and other relationships with China, and to get allies and other countries to do the same, in order to isolate China. A bioweapon doesn’t have to be very lethal to produce this effect.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  147. utu says:

    “…the US strategy is to scale down trade and other relationships with China…” – The epidemic could be used for scare people and stop buying Chinese products.

    Electric blankets – 99% imports came form China
    Umbrellas with a telescopic shaft – 98%
    Video-game consoles – 98%
    Plastic artificial flowers – 97%
    Cooking appliances and plate warmers – 97%
    Electric toasters – 97%
    Non-plastic artificial flowers – 97%
    Vacuum flasks (aka thermoses) – 97%
    Garden umbrellas – 97%
    Portable radio players and tape recorders – 96$
    Baby carriages and strollers – 95%

    I would go with baby carriages and strollers for the maximum effect.

    • Replies: @adreadline
  148. utu says:
    @last straw

    Do not forget about the role of maturation in reducing the spread of any epidemics. For once the incels are on the right side of history.

  149. Just make sure you all practice good personal hygiene. Washing your hands as often as needed.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  150. songbird says:
    @reiner Tor

    You can score propaganda points by spreading rumors that an epidemic resulted from a bioweapon. The USSR did it with AIDS, alleging that the US had produced it purposely to kill blacks, junkies, and gays. See: Operation DENVER.

    Whether it really had any substantial effect is an unresolved question, IMO, but…

    In 2005, a study by the RAND Corporation and Oregon State University revealed that nearly 50% of African Americans thought AIDS was man-made, over 25% believed AIDS was a product of a government laboratory, 12% believed it was created and spread by the CIA, and 15% believed that AIDS was a form of genocide against black people.

    I’m not conspiratorially-minded on this issue, but HIV would only be a failed bioweapon, if you wanted to commit genocide. If you wanted to use it as a political tool to empower fags and raise the rainbow flag all over the West, to cause hundreds of billions of dollars and many scientific minds to be misallocated, then it has been an incredible success.

  151. @Anonymoustache

    A bioweapon that primarily attacks crops or protein sources while being relatively less effective against people can also being an effective weapon, akin to economic sanctions and warfare, and destabilizing to the enemy regime.

    Something like a major bio-firm whose name begins with an M and has neutered the reproductive capabilities of a number of food crops while wiping out vast numbers of pollinators at the same time to take care of the rest?

  152. @Astuteobservor II

    And stop shaking other people’s hands.

  153. An overview recorded this morning. The speaker has a PhD in biological pathology, toxicology:

    • Replies: @frankie p
  154. Shaman911 says:

    Agenda 21, 2030
    Stage 1

    [MORE]

    And you will never see the elite get sick. They all ready have the antidote just waiting for them when they need it.
    The CIA calls this “Soft Kill”
    China maybe “Killing the Rats” in year of the RAT.
    And a little reminder form our 33* Freemason buddies “Buffalo Springfield”

    What a field-day for the heat
    A thousand people in the street
    Singing songs and carrying signs
    Mostly say, hooray for our side
    It’s time we stop, hey, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep
    It starts when you’re always afraid
    You step out of line, the man come and take you away
    We better stop, hey, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Stop, hey, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Stop, now, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Stop, children, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down

  155. Apparently Chinese tourists in Edinburgh, Scotland have bought up all the face masks in the city.

    Meanwhile the foolishly named UK Border Force are hunting for 2,000 “tourists” from Wuhan, having given up the search for the other few million illegals.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7928599/UK-Border-Force-hunts-2-000-people-flew-Wuhan.html

    • Replies: @songbird
  156. A123 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Now I started playing PLAGUE INC…..

    Greenland only has 50K peopke….
    Why did they close their port???
    Stop hiding…..

    😠 😡 CORONA CHAN OBJECTS 😡 😠

    https://www.ndemiccreations.com/en/22-plague-inc

  157. Crazy Horse says: • Website

    You can’t be too careful:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!!!!!

    🙂

  158. frankie p says:
    @Priss Factor

    Chinese Saying:

    “Anything that walks, swims, crawls, or flies with its back to heaven is edible.”

  159. songbird says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Apparently Chinese tourists in Edinburgh, Scotland have bought up all the face masks in the city.

    Heard that it is the same on the West coast of the US, though I don’t think it is tourists, but mostly profiteers. Interesting question how effective the typical masks are – I’ve heard mixed reports.

  160. Pft says:

    They shouldn’t halt its spread. Let it run wild then everyone will have immunity. Its called herd immunity. This is a cold virus people and we have immune defenses. Because the human immune system is diverse among individuals, there will always be a subset of the population that succumbs to a new virus. The vast majority of people experience sub-clinical immune response to exposure or very minor symptoms and are not counted as infected. It is the cold/flu season after all. So the mortality rate is grossly overstated by a magnitude of 10-100.

    As usual this is another overreaction by the technocrats, a form of health terrorism not unlike financial terrorism used to scare people and encourage them to surrender more freedom and give the technocrats more control (forced quarantine, forced vaccination). China is the perfect testing ground given its population and authoritarian control and one should not overlook that Chinas first bSL-4 biological lab was opened in 2015 in Wuhan to study among other things SARs like viruses.

  161. It not egg, it not young, it just foo. Chinese authorities should use this crisis to clamp down on China’s sick food culture.

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    • Replies: @Chinaman
  162. frankie p says:
    @Cagey Beast

    Chris Martenson is doom and gloom on everything. He is extremely well-educated, but he doesn’t have good sense. This is amply demonstrated by his doom and gloom predictions every year about the stock market and global economy. Like Jim Rogers, he correctly diagnoses the disease in monetary policy and endless printing, but unlike Jim Rogers, he tries to make real time predictions of when the crash will come. It hurts one’s credibility when every year since 2011 you claim that the crash is coming this year. Rogers understands that the monetary powers can delay the crash through QE infinity, increasing the severity of the eventual crash, so he is wise enough not to try to predict its arrival date. Not so with Martenson. Listening to the first few minutes of this podcast, he makes unfounded gloom and doom predictions that aren’t based on fact. First, R naught is not 2.5 as the low, with the potential to the upside because Martenson doesn’t trust the Chinese government. The WHO figure that Karlin cites is 1.4 – 2.5. This fact alone should make one discount his presentation. Next, he cites the fatality rate, with the same doom and gloom based on nothing beyond “I think…” and “I don’t trust stuff coming out of China.” A competent, based doctor does not make wild predictions “This thing could have a case fatality rate that’s as bad as the Spanish flu, which would be in the vicinity of 10%.”

    The dude is completely irresponsible. Real doctors don’t talk like that.

    • Replies: @Ber
    , @mikesmith
  163. @JohnPlywood

    White women voluntarily priced themselves out of the market.

    They’re enjoying a banquet of consequences of their own making.

  164. I’m a little disappointed it’s hitting China and not the US, particularly LA and NY. The Chinese don’t perverse this, but we certainly do. Maybe this will be what finally brings the decadent liberal elite down. No need for political action or “boogaloo” when we have the great Coronavirus.

    • Replies: @OscarWildeLoveChild
  165. Yevardian says:
    @reiner Tor

    Вы изучает русский язык сейчас или просто шитпостинг?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  166. Chinaman says:
    @Priss Factor

    I guess you don’t realised the full implications of what you have said.

    It is interesting thing you would suggest such policies since no tyrants in history, let alone the totalitarian government in China have ever tried to restrain the people’s freedom to choose what they eat. Such powers are only reserved for religion.

    Over millennials, the governance of China have evolved to be autocratic, curtailing the freedoms of the people because of elements of barbarism in Chinese culture. Not to mention psychopathic tendencies and insouciance amongst the population. Without a strong centralised state, the people will always do their worst and lose their humanity when given unlimited freedom. You witness this in the riots in HK now as they throw Molotov cocktails and destroy the city. The rioters don’t realise they are the best argument against democracy in China.

    At the end, the people deserve their government and leaders. May be a Tiananem massacre or the social credit system is more than justified to maintain the civilisation-for the greater good of all Chinese people-

    Priss, You would make a excellent dictator and a worthy successor to Mao since even he wouldn’t dare to impose such policies.

  167. @neutral

    Mexican swine flu wasn’t fun. I caught from a Mexican just back from Mexico.

    What is the Chinese vaccination rate against normal flu? Anyone know?

  168. Rahan says:

    On the Russian side, already two parliamenterians said Corona Chan is an imperialist pig-dog bioweapon.

    1) United Russia’s Natalia Poklonskaya https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/01/25/poklonskaya-raskryla-proiskhozhdenie-kitayskogo-koronavirusa.html
    (Also known as The People’s Waifu https://www.memecenter.com/search?query=poklonskaya)

    2) The Liberal Democrat’s Vladimir Zhirinovsky https://www.mk.ru/politics/2020/01/25/zhirinovskiy-obvinil-ssha-v-poyavlenii-koronavirusa.html

    Other Russian experts are more in “The Stand” camp about this all being a leak from a Wuhan biolab
    https://versiya.info/politika/army/139421

  169. @Anatoly Karlin

    Mexican swine flu wasn’t fun. I caught from a Mexican just back from Mexico.

    What is the Chinese vaccination rate against normal flu? Anyone know?

  170. Mr_Clean says:

    Pray for a World Clean

  171. Itsokay says:

    A-S Source News: China have banned all tours and anyone who booked flight/hotel packages from carrying out their trips as of Mon, Jan 27. This applies to travel within China or for overseas, officials say.

    This confirms the thesis.

    The Chinese are refusing to act as a carrier vector for the virus.

    Total travel shutdown. If they were hostile they would allow travel or even direct it and accuse opposition of racism and use their diaspora to destabilise. Instead, they are saving the West from it’s traitor class of secret society and Deep State operatives. Making it harder to gestate the virus. Xi is not part of this conspiracy. He can’t be.

    Western officials in the Cabal want to accelerate the virus in the West, not nullify it. They will maintain plausible deniability at all times to justify a non response or failed response.

    If we survive this, Trump should have moral authority to conduct a purge that would make Stalin blanche. There should be a forest of racks and gibbets for journalists, bureaucrats, administrators, local officials, NGOs etc.

    [MORE]

    So many traitors. So many criminals. So much betrayal.

    There are at least 3 cases pending confirmation in Israel. Israel gave the port of Haifa to the Chinese.

    Israel should learn from this. They’ve tried to be the tower of Isengard/Orthanc to Dol Goldur/Barad Dur in Mordor.

    The Great Eye was never going to spare them.

    This killing operation was going to consume the Jews as well. Everywhere. The fake Jews, the Sabbatean Frankists, Chabad, Torah. All. Except the select few adepts who long have made secret oaths against their own people.

    If they continue to conspire and scheme they will all face the same fate as everyone else.

    No one makes a deal with the Devil and his high table without coming out beneath the Prince of this World’s mailed fist. Maybe the more intelligent elements in Israel understand this.

    This was meant to be the end of the world. It still might be. The WHO hasn’t declared this an emergency because the WHO killed the man who might have acted prudently a few days ago.

    https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/global-health-emergencies-advocate-peter-salama-dies-at-age-51/

    Like the fake news traitor media, the goal of the WHO is to downplay the severity of this event and enable the virus to erupt in the West, and hope China fails to wrest control in China. If it isn’t contained in the West, the diaspora will flee back to China. Attempts to quarantine then could cause insurrection and tip the scales to collapse.

    Now the Promethean conspirators in Canada are going to try and infect the United States and the Canadians from and in Canada.

    There was a Chinese couple arrested who transported the lethal virus from Canada.

    Trudeau and his father Pierre are central to the conspiracy. Perhaps the Canadian Century project was running too slowly.

    When this is under control Xi and Trump should show no mercy.

    The Chinese people have made a great sacrifice and we were to be slaughtered like sheep at the altar of Moloch in turn.

    Pray that the Deep State at the second and third layers has been curtailed enough the West actually acts to stop this virus.

    Sins everywhere that cry out for vengeance.

  172. Older people in good health tend to have better resistance to colds as they resemble each other enough to confer resistance. A lifetime builds up Immunity. Flu viruses vary enough to be new challenges. Will this virus be a new challenge? I have a stent. I don’t fancy this.

  173. Ber says:
    @frankie p

    Latest news is that 2 people have already been cured…1 in Wuhan and 1 in Shanghai. Not to worry about doom and gloom.

  174. mikesmith says:

    This 88 minute docudrama details what might happen in the aftermath of a pandemic so severe that too many people with critical skills died:

    With most people crowded into cities, rapid transcontinental and transoceanic transport, a global economic lifeline dependent on uninterrupted flows of essential goods that must crisscross the world, gut microbiomes decimated by excessive use of antibiotics, and with generations of mutational load accumulation due to the success of modern medical science and engineering at reducing childhood mortality from the more common forms of microbial predation to very low levels, civilization is now poised on the knife edge of a history-making catastrophe. If we dodge this bullet, there eventually will be another one.

  175. @albionrevisited

    Seems like it might hit the Ivies though soon…given their demographics. I heard some of them are up near NY.

  176. Itsokay says:

    Shanghai Ruilan Bao Hu San Biotech Limited.

    Bao Hu San means Umbrella.

    https://residentevil.fandom.com/wiki/Umbrella_Corporation

    What was the logo/ensign of this company?

    [MORE]

    That’s it, right there – except Bao Hu San Biotech Limited used different colours – Teal and white.

    Someone should find a link and post it.

    The Wuhan facility was just a real version of a sister facility in Shanghai.

    It’s really interesting how memes are seemingly starting to warp into reality.

    This was meant to be a seizure of power.

    Any media and any organisation or individual who downplays the potential seriousness of this event and the severity of the measures in China to contain it should be subject to extreme suspicion.

    The traitor international media is at war with the nations. Especially in the United States. They are without question enemies of the people.

    This is still a fight for survival. If the event is neutralised it won’t be because it wasn’t potentially apocalyptic. It will be because of immense suffering and sacrifice by the people victims of and acting in opposition to it.

  177. denk says:

    In case you forget….

    War games that turned live !

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  178. vot tak says:

    China’s New Coronavirus: An Examination of the Facts

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    Romanoff covers the Chinese response to the disease and also discusses the biowar aspects in some detail. Some relevant excerpts.

    [MORE]

    “While there is no evidence of biowarfare, a virus outbreak in the city of Wuhan immediately prior to the Chinese New Year migration could potentially have dramatic social and economic repercussions. Wuhan, with a population of about 12 million, is a major transport hub in Central China, particularly for the high-speed train network, and with more than 60 air routes with direct flights to most of the world’s major cities, as well as more than 100 internal flights to major Chinese cities. When we add this to the Spring Festival travel rush during which many hundreds of millions of people travel across the country to be with their families, the potential consequences for the entire country are far-reaching.

    SARS was proven to be caused by a strain of the coronavirus, a large family of mostly harmless viruses also responsible for the common cold, but SARS exhibited characteristics never before observed in any animal or human virus, did not by any means fully match the animal viruses mentioned above, and contained genetic material that still remains unidentified – similar to this new corona virus in 2019.

    Dr. Cantwell also noted that the genetic engineering of coronaviruses has been occurring in both medical and military labs for decades. He wrote that when he searched in PubMed for the phrase “coronavirus genetic engineering”, he was referred to 107 scientific experiments dating back to 1987. To quote Dr. Cantwell:

    This unsupervised research produces dangerous man-made viruses, many of which have potential as bioweapons. Certainly SARS has the hallmarks of a bioweapon.

    Sergei Kolesnikov, a member of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, said the propagation of the SARS virus might well have been caused by leaking a combat virus grown in bacteriological weapons labs. According to a number of news reports, Kolesnikov claimed that the virus of atypical pneumonia (SARS) was a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which was impossible, that this mix could never appear in nature, stating, “This can be done only in a laboratory.” (5) And Nikolai Filatov, the head of Moscow’s epidemiological services, was quoted in the Gazeta daily as stating he believed SARS was man-made…

    It wasn’t widely reported, but it seems the final conclusion of the Chinese biochemists was the same, that the SARS virus was man-made. This conclusion wasn’t a secret, but neither was it promoted to the international media since they would simply have used the claim to heap scorn on China, dismissing this as a paranoid conspiracy theory.

    Notable is that while SARS spread to about 40 countries, the infections in most countries were few and deaths almost zero, and it was exclusively (or almost exclusively) Chinese who were infected, those in Hong Kong most seriously, with Mainland China suffering little by comparison.

    As with SARS, this new virus appears to be tightly-focused to Chinese. At this stage it is too early to draw specific conclusions.

    One of these is the history of American universities and NGOs having come into China in recent years to conduct biological experiments that were so illegal as to leave the Chinese authorities enraged. This was particularly true when it became known that Harvard University had surreptitiously proceeded with experiments in China that had been forbidden by the authorities years earlier, where they collected many hundreds of thousands of Chinese DNA samples and then left the country.

    The Chinese were furious to learn that Americans were collecting Chinese DNA. The government intervened and prohibited the further export of any of the data. The conclusion at the time was that the ‘research’ had been commissioned by the US military with the DNA samples destined for race-specific bio-weapons research.”

    There is much more info in the article not reproduced in this comment. Especially on the american demands fron China about info on the disease. Not mentioned in the article, the twitter posts from trump recently sound like a mobster gloating to one of his victims.

    Related, the americans have been very busy gathering genetic material on Russian populations, I believe Putin mentioned this last year.

    • Replies: @Itsokay
    , @Ber
  179. mikesmith says:
    @frankie p

    Any rho over 1 is very dangerous if the fatality rate is relatively high. For example, the rho of Spanish flu (1918-19) was between 1 and 2. The fatality rate will probably be well under 10%, BUT coronavirus is a relative of SARS, which did have a fatality rate of 10% during its 2003 outbreak, so 10% is not out of the question for coronavirus, especially if it mutates in an unfavorable way. If you have read William H. McNeil’s _Plagues and Peoples_ , then you should know that outbreaks like this should always be nipped in the bud as quickly as possible. When a wildfire breaks out near an inhabited area, taking a “wait and see” attitude before you call out the firefighters in force is never a good idea. So it is with the outbreak of a novel contagion.

    • Replies: @Ann K.
    , @Sam J.
  180. vot tak says:

    38 infected coronavirus patients CURED in China as epidemic rages on

    https://www.rt.com/news/479148-coronavirus-patients-cured-china/

  181. mikesmith says:
    @denk

    After the first of two Kennedy assasinations, the US (and other?) news media were well trained to reject all possible “conspiracy theories” (a pejorative term we now know was coined by the CIA for the specific purpose of stigmatizing any incriminating questions about President Kennedy’s assassination) rather than seriously investigating such stories the same way they would any other. This new-found willingness of the establishment media to look the other way when credible conspiracies make an appearance must be a huge asset to any government that engages in extensive black ops.
    http://jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm

    • Replies: @denk
  182. Itsokay says:
    @vot tak

    There is no substantial reason that officials at any level of the US State Department should concern themselves with a virus outbreak in a foreign country

    That’s an utterly ridiculous and insultingly stupid statement.

    It matters tremendously if that foreign country has tens of millions of potentially infected carriers all over the world carrying a lethal virus.

    ….specifics on the number of infections directly from contact with the Wuhan market, the number of person-to-person infections, the precise incubation period from exposure to the onset of symptoms, the point at which persons become contagious

    In other words, how do we in the West prevent the total breakdown of our civic society?

    How do we identify our own infected?

    How do we prevent a worldwide catastrophe? There was no benevolence. These are obvious, trite questions of epidemiology any idiot would ask if they’re trying to stop a pandemic. These questions are suspicious? Well if the supposition is that this was targeted at Han, why would the instigators not already know all the answers? Given how viruses mutate would white hats in the West really risk their entire populations on the somewhat risky assumption a virus will only Target people with slanted eyes? This weapon was and is directed at everyone.

    The Chinese were furious to learn that Americans were collecting Chinese DNA.

    And the Chinese haven’t been buying DNA sets from 23 and me? Or just stealing them alongside millions of records from the US Department of Health and Human Services? Or getting it all from Israel’s backdoors?

    https://news.yahoo.com/union-says-federal-workers-fell-victim-hackers-071851098–politics.html

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sheerafrenkel/federal-employees-describe-collective-panic-after-massive-ha#.lp4q6WR6K

    It’s a ridiculous article. The circumstances were designed to Target everyone. Not just Asians.

    This is an irresponsible article trying to provoke retaliation against a totally non aggressive United States. The old paradigms of nation states around events like these need to be relinquished. Trump is not China’s enemy and neither are the American people. The rogue elements in both China and the United States are implicated.

    Do you think the panic in the United States is feigned? That we all think we can lick Chinese people and we won’t die like flies? Pure idiocy.

    This was an international Deep State operation against everyone.

    The Chinese are being honoured for what they’ve done to resist it.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  183. vot tak says:
    @Itsokay

    Cush job you got there. And if you find yourself made surplus to need, no doubt you’re well qualified to sell another toxic “product”, such as round-up.

  184. Itsokay says:

    Why do you people not understand.

    We have to quarantine the Chinese diaspora not just so that they don’t infect Western populations and kill everyone.

    They have to be quarantined so that they don’t travel back to China and add the straw that breaks the Chinese systems back. Millions more diaspora could critically endanger China’s infrastructure. Hence why they’ve shut down all ports. The West can help by circumventing traitors and quarantine all cases to prevent their transmission back to the Chinese mainland.

    This is mutual survival. This isn’t some bullshit geopolitics. No virus can target a single race. That would be opening Pandora’s Box for the last time.

    The United States would not risk retaliation.

    The people who want retaliation are the Deep State actors who want to kill as many people as they can and rule the remnants. They’re the enemies of Trump, and China, and the world, they carry whatever national banner suits their present agenda.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  185. vot tak says:

    Follow-up to my comment about americans collecting biomaterial on Russian peoples posted above.

    ‘Weaponizing viruses’? US Air Force places ad for bio samples from Russians

    https://www.rt.com/usa/397883-us-airforce-russian-rna-sample-tender/

    “The Air Force’s Air Education and Training Command has placed a listing on the Federal Business Opportunities website asking for at least 12 RNA samples from Russian people of a European ancestry, as well as 27 samples of synovial fluid.

    Suppliers of the samples must meet a number of requirements.

    “All Normal Human Fresh Frozen (FF) Synovial Tissue and Normal Human Ribonucleic Acid (RNA) samples must be Russian / Caucasian origin,” reads the contract’s technical specifications. “All FF Synovial tissue and RNA samples must come from normal donors, who have no musculoskeletal injuries. This shall be confirmed by pathology. All FF synovial tissue must have a weight greater than or at a minimum of 0.25 grams.

    “All RNA samples must be frozen. Synovial Tissues and RNA samples can be unmatched, meaning from different donors. All Synovial Tissue and RNA samples must be HIV, HBV, HCV and syphilis negative.”

    In addition, information on donors must be provided with the samples, including their sex, age, ethnicity, smoking history, medical history, height, weight and Body Mass Index (BMI). The samples must be delivered to the Lackland Air Force Base near San Antonio, Texas, within 10 days after the contractor receives the money.

    All samples must “be collected from Russia and must be Caucasian. The Government will not consider tissue samples from Ukraine,” the contract added.

    But Igor Nikulin, a former member of the UN commission on biological weapons, noted that the RNA samples can be used to develop viruses.

    “New types of biological weapons are being developed. There’s nothing else that could possibly interest the military department. Most likely, they are weaponized viruses,” Nikulin told RT. “The US is trying to develop various types of biological weapons specifically for specific carriers of this gene pool, and Caucasoids are needed since they constitute the majority of the population of our country.

    “This is the same focus group for which they are trying to find the samples. It’s necessary for the viruses to act selectively on one or another ethnic group.”

    This is preparation for biowarfare, part of the “full spectrum dominance” strategy. It will get a lot more uglier, israel’s american colonials under trump are no longer even pretending to be humans.

    • Replies: @Itsokay
  186. denk says:
    @mikesmith

    how can we and the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, be so sure that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large?

    Because these attacks will be instigated at the order of the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense.

    https://www.serendipity.li/wot/floyd1.htm

    New boss, same as old boss.

    Trump is still running the PNAC show like clockwork.

    • Replies: @mikesmith
    , @denk
  187. vot tak says:

    Follow-up #2

    It was a couple of years ago.

    Putin: Someone is harvesting Russian bio samples for obscure purposes

    https://www.rt.com/news/408274-putin-bio-samples-harvesting/

    [MORE]

    “Russian genetic material is being harvested all over the country, purposefully and professionally, President Vladimir Putin has said, possibly hinting at the US Air Force’s earlier move to acquire Russian tissue samples.

    “Images are one thing, but do you know that biological material is being collected all over the country, from different ethnic groups and people living in different geographical regions of the Russian Federation? The question is – why is it being done? It’s being done purposefully and professionally. We are a kind of object of great interest,” Putin told the Council.

    Is the Pentagon working on a biological weapon to target Russians? Perhaps unlikely speculated Franz Klintsevich, the first deputy chairman of the Federation Council’s Committee for Defense and Security, but adding that it’s a scenario that cannot be totally ignored.

    “I’m not saying that it is about preparing a biological war against Russia. But its scenarios, are, no doubt, being worked on. That is to say, in case the need arises,“ Klintsevich wrote on Facebook, referring to Putin’s revelations.

    He went on to note that he believes the Russian President’s pronouncement of the practice was for good reason, claiming that although such practices has been well-known, it has taken on a “shameless” scale recently.

    “The President’s warning is very timely. Relevant agencies in the West should know that we are aware of their interest,” he said.

    Putin himself, however, reassured the Human Rights Council there’s nothing to be afraid of.

    “Let them do what they want, and we must do what we must,” he stated emphatically.”

  188. Nava Nova says:
    @Dumbo

    Leave we Africans alone please, when ever any ephedemic identified and goes bad
    your sick mind tells you without thinking to blame Africa. Africa is a victim of your complex evil dids.

  189. vot tak says:
    @Itsokay

    “They’re the enemies of Trump”

    One from the likudite wing of the guardianista swarm…

  190. Itsokay says:
    @vot tak

    “Americans”

    You mean (((Americans)))?

    It’s the neoconservatives who have a vendetta against Russia and the American nation.

    Use the correct identifiers.

    Here’s a hint. Ponder if those same individuals have developed a similar utility against Americans?

    Americans are an object not an agent. They have practically no agency. That’s the whole point Alexei. Maybe Americans aren’t so different from Slavs.

    And no, it’s not possible to Target a genetic race to the exclusion of all others. Everyone has a neurology. Everyone has a respiratory system. Everyone has an endothelial. Etc.

    But yes it’s possible bad actors who are Supra national are so-engaged.

    Anyway this has been interesting.

    But yes if I was African I would stay in Africa. The world is going to be a very dangerous place for the foreseeable future for everyone.

    Let’s just get to end of the March and survive this current disaster, approaching catastrophe.

  191. mikesmith says:
    @denk

    “Trump is still running the PNAC show” — I think you have it backwards. I think it is the PNAC gang that is running Trump. I think Trump does not understand foreign policy, and does not have the educational background (formal or autodidactic) to pick it up quickly. Thus, the Neocon establishment can bend him. And he stupidly let himself be persuaded to jettison his patriot advisors in favor of competent but cosmopolitan types from his own part of the country. He does not understand that competence does not outweigh loyalty and shared vision–it might in business where everyone is narrowly focused on profit maximization, but not in public affairs. Even politically experienced Republican presidents make the same mistake when they choose Supreme Court judges. At best, they select half conservatives and half social liberals. They could get more Scalia’s and Thomas’s if they would just appoint pious men who attend religious services in theologically conservative congregations, but instead they select the people that presidents with their elite sub-cultural background are comfortable with, and those people are as often as not more liberal than traditional. If Republican presidents want to put real conservatives in power, then they need to select men whom they, with their elite, establishment backgrounds, are not comfortable with.

    • Replies: @denk
  192. @Enemy of Earth

    Interesting website. I book-marked it, and will read it in the wee small hours of the morning. The Lord’s Day is my day- off too. Thanks.

  193. Popeye says:
    @melpol

    Well at least make the final journey enlightening…such as adding clinically clean pure LSD to the fatal dose

  194. Smith says:

    Aw shit sonz we gon past the 2k infected barrier in a week, 56 dead now, already 1/7 of total SARS dead in China.

    MÌNH YÊU NÀNG CORONA!

  195. Ber says:
    @vot tak

    WUHAN CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC BIOENGINEERED: Who’s behind it, why now and why China? see

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5231

    Also see: http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5500
    C.I.A. PATENT US7220852B1 – CORONAVIRUS AKA SARS

  196. Popeye says:

    Well you know that here in the primeval backwoods of northern Wisconsin lots of us stopped eating venison because of madcow disease but we took to eating raccoon, badger, opossum and crow. Raccoon stew is darn good with carrots, red onion, ginger and potatoes. Red wine makes a tasty sauce but Homebrew Bock beer works fine too. Same with badger. Opossum is dicey cause them little fellas ain’t too meaty. Crow is sorta like Cornish hen except bitter cause most crow feed on carrion. Cornmash and brown sugar helps make crow stew and crow soup palatable. Put out some entrails and on a sunny day you can generally catch a dozen crow under an old tarp. They also make nice pets. Very intelligent critters.

    • Replies: @Biff
  197. @last straw

    Thanks, that’s a much needed corrective.

    In other words, it’s not necessarily a bigger deal than SARS.

  198. Biff says:
    @Popeye

    Crow is sorta like Cornish hen except bitter

    Kind-of like when the Packers lose?

  199. I love you Corona beer! I love you Corona-Chan

    Seriously, I’m just an old hog farmer from Indiana, and I have been following with interest for the last 12 months the African swine flu in China, killing off 1/4 of the WORLDS hog inventory.
    So, I know correlation is not causation,,,,,,, but,,,,,,hmmmmmm

    • Replies: @Bill P
  200. Bill P says:
    @Pigskinner

    I’ll bet you’re interested. I’ve been watching the price of bacon go up and up over the last couple months.

    “kill a fat hog” indeed!

  201. @utu

    Okay, but if it’s not lab engineered, then how is it likely that it didn’t originate in China?

    The rumors about the bioweapons can’t be dismissed: they are plausible and they can’t be disproven.

    They are not very plausible. The fact that they cannot be disproven works against them, because you want your theories with extra assumptions to be refutable.

    Of course it’s possible that some information will come to light which will change my stance, but the bioweapon explanation just doesn’t strike me as the likeliest one out there. There is some circumstantial evidence in favor: the swine fever and the coronavirus both disrupt China at a time of conflict with the USA. The closeness of the lab might provide an alternative explanation (it escaped from the lab), though of course it would nullify the previous evidence (because then the conflict with the USA would be meaningless). You might work them into one by postulating a bioengineered weapon introduced into China close to a location of a Chinese lab (so as to provide cover for the American introduction of the disease). It’s not necessarily easy to spread such a disease without the Chinese finding it out (patient zero would be tracked down in China and his contact with a suspicious American would stand out in Wuhan of all places, with relatively few American tourists), so if there’s any evidence of the Americans planting the disease, we’ll find it out soon enough, no need to speculate at this point based on basically no evidence.

  202. Smith says:

    In comparison with SARS:

    “On 16 November 2002, an outbreak of the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) began in China’s Guangdong province, which borders Hong Kong. A farmer in the Shunde district of Foshan County was likely the first case of infection. The People’s Republic of China notified the World Health Organization (WHO) about this outbreak on 10 February 2003, reporting 305 cases including 105 health-care workers and five deaths;[1] Later, it was reported that the outbreak in Guangdong had peaked in mid-February 2003. But this appears to have been false, as subsequently 806 cases of infections and 34 cases of deaths were reported.[2]”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_SARS_outbreak#November_2002

    So it took months (November 2002 to February 2003) for SARS to infect 806 people and killed 34.

    Corono-chan surpasses that in a mere WEEK!

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    , @Lot
  203. Bill P says:

    While I hope this virus peters out and am truly sympathetic to those who have died, I, like John Derbyshire, am hopeful that it won’t be nearly as bad as some of the predictions here. Deadly diseases are par for the course in China, so this is nothing new, and I suspect the hysteria has been boosted a great deal by social media.

    When I lived in China a little over 20 years ago, viral pneumonia was just one of those things that came around from time to time. I caught it, and had one of the major scares of my life. After a few days with a minor fever and cold symptoms I woke up with bloody sputum and serious shortness of breath. I went to the American hospital, got some chest x-rays and was sent home with some extra-strength Tylenol. Fortunately, the symptoms resolved quickly, and I quit smoking very shortly thereafter. The thought of dying that way scared me off cigarettes.

    Later, I found out that the same illness killed a number of people, including some foreigners like me. But this was only one of many infections. Friends contracted the mumps, hepatitis, salmonella — you name it. I remain convinced that I only narrowly escaped serious gastrointestinal infections by learning how to vomit on demand after swallowing suspicious-tasting meat.

    China is a filthy place. I see people here on Unz hailing the Chinese model as though it’s the way of the future. I hope not, and I suspect they only do so because they know very little about China proper.

    The truth about China is that barbarous, backward practices and habits were reinforced by the cultural revolution, which enshrined a low-level peasant/prole culture as the norm. Supposedly the “old society” was to blame for all China’s problems, as were things that were “white” and “expert.” The modern PRC is the result of this campaign of ignorance.

    I’m hopeful that this episode may have a silver lining. Perhaps the Chinese will finally be shamed into modern attitudes regarding hygiene and nutrition. Eating exotic wild animals and vermin should not be considered fashionable by the masses, but rather revolting. Likewise, the ubiquitous wet markets, one of which opened every Sunday under my apartment, should be subject to regulations that require, among other things:

    Refrigeration

    Disinfectant

    Hand washing

    Proper drainage

    Regular inspections

    Restrictions on wild animals

    Sanitary slaughter

    Waste disposal facilities

    and, finally:

    Basic sanitary education for all workers

    Those who speculate about bioweapons labs and such must surely have never seen one of these markets for themselves. If they had, there would be no need for them to imagine any such complex explanations for the breeding of disease in China. If you know China intimately, there’s nothing at all far-fetched about the idea that some virulent infection could emerge in any one of hundreds of thousands – if not millions – of filthy alleys or markets where animals are flayed alive right there on the street, blood sprayed here and there amidst the screams, flopping fins, flapping wings and convulsing limbs of the furry, feathered or scaled victims.

    • Replies: @Anonymoustache
  204. denk says:
    @mikesmith

    “Trump is still running the PNAC show” — I think you have it backwards. I think it is the PNAC gang that is running Trump

    Yes.

    I had actually wanted to say…
    Trump is still implementing the PNAC show,.

    In case you havent noticed,
    This has been my
    empire watch rule no 1
    ‘Different potus, same script, written by tptb’

    ‘Trump does not understand foreign policy, and does not have the educational background (formal or autodidactic) to pick it up quickly. Thus, the Neocon establishment can bend him. ‘

    [[[They]] dont have to ‘bend’ him.
    The system has been rigged to the extent that only [[[their]]] chosen one would mount the podium as potus.

    IOW, every ‘elected’ potus already knew their job, just act according to the script..

    Yes,
    potus are just actors, all those court intrigues, cat fights bet the repup and dem, fake impeachments are just theatrics for the sheeples consumption.

    ———————

    We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.

  205. denk says:
    @denk

    Here’s the context……

    This column stands foursquare with the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, when he warns that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large.
    We know, as does the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, that this statement is an incontrovertible fact, a matter of scientific certainty.

    And how can we and the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, be so sure that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large?

    Because these attacks will be instigated at the order of the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense.

    https://www.serendipity.li/wot/floyd1.htm

  206. MEH 0910 says:

    Steve Sailer Retweeted:


    [MORE]

  207. Mitleser says:

    From the previous Coronal-article:

    It’s already in the US, and, from today, in Russia.

    Apparently, the latter is not true yet.

  208. denk says:

    It gets curiouser…..

    In 2012,
    Dr. Daniel Gerstein of the DHS made an alarming prediction

    we expect a pandemic by the end of 2013.”
    One must wonder how Gerstein could possibly pinpoint a timeline for a pandemic, which is generally seen to be the result of unpredictable microscopic events. Unless, perhaps, he has a hand in creating one.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html

  209. denk says:

    Empire watch rule no 1
    When uncle sham cries wolf, run for YOUR life.

    A number of insiders, including Dr. Daniel Gerstein of the Department of Homeland Security, former Senators Bill Talent and Bob Graham of the Weapons of Mass Destruction Center in Washington, D.C. and vaccine manufacturer, Dr. J. Joseph Kim of Inovio Pharmaceuticals, have stated that a major global pandemic is likely to take place before the end of 2013

    Those DHS insiders were warning about bioweapon attacks on the ‘free’ world from ‘terrorists or rogue states’, but guess what,
    it was China that got hit by massive bird flu in 2013, culling tens of millions of chickens, much like the current swine flu.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

  210. @Itsokay

    Unz review commenters should stop with the nihilism and end times rhetoric.

    Why stop?

  211. So far it looks like the biggest problem with this virus outside of China is that organized healthcare is viewing and acting against this virus like it is SARS like. Huge huge mistake in the making, since this virus is asymptomatic for a few days before the host falls ill. What this ultimately means is the response will be ineffective at stopping transmission of this virus worldwide.

  212. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-from-food-market-to-global-panic-response-mistakes

    I’d like to make three points:

    • this is a very bad illness even if you survive; the 36 year old woman in the article got ill early January, and occasionally still coughs up blood
    • Lots of seriously ill people (like the woman in the article) were untested means we cannot know for sure all the dead were tested either; most likely lots of untested deaths happened
    • So many people in critical conditions means it’s already a pretty bad disease (see point #1 above), and even if they survive right now says very little about what would happen if medical services were overwhelmed by the pandemic and people weren’t looked after (imagine people with pneumonia not getting hydrated etc.)

    Overall there’s reason for optimism (it’s possible it won’t be a big issue), but a moderately pessimistic scenario (worldwide pandemic making ill tens or hundreds of millions and killing a portion of them, mostly the chronically ill and the elderly) doesn’t seem unlikely at this point. I hope it will be better.

  213. Ann K. says:
    @mikesmith

    Thank you for posting. I have downloaded it and look forward to reading it.

  214. @Smith

    Indeed. Here’s a comparison:

    This is dated from when the WTO began tracking them.

    This is dated from the first confirmed human case.

    • Replies: @last straw
  215. @Bill P

    Those who speculate about bioweapons labs and such must surely have never seen one of these markets for themselves.

    If you’ve ever been on a farm and had to butcher or witnessed the butchering of a chicken or hog, you’ll know that the only way to have appreciable levels of meat production according to modern sensibilities and standards is through factory farming. However, factory farming itself is becoming increasingly unfashionable, even though that’s really the only way you can have meat production at scale that’s relatively hygienic. Raising and butchering your own meat, or relying on local farmers, is generally going to be the preserve of gentlemen farmers and the wealthy.

    The zeitgeist, at least in the West, seems to be moving against meat production and consumption in general. Without lots of close contact with livestock, meat markets, and butcher shops, you need factory farming, but that’s increasingly less acceptable, so there’s an increasing push for vegetarianism and the promotion of alternative protein sources like lab grown meat, soy, insects, etc.

    • Agree: iffen
    • Replies: @anonymous coward
  216. Smith says:

    View post on imgur.com

    Quick, save this image before the chink police takes it down.

    Now this is a more realistic figures of what’s going down on that 55 million quarantined. WHO is carrying water for China it seems.

    EDIT: The above can be photoshopped it seems, here’s the actual website: https://news.qq.com/zt2020/page/feiyan.htm

  217. @Smith

    What are the numbers? I guess the 49 is the number of deaths.

    • Replies: @Smith
  218. songbird says:

    I suppose this could be a Beyond Meat conspiracy.

    Cause a global pandemic to get the authorities to ban meat, and switch everyone to soy and cricket bricks.

  219. Smith says:
    @reiner Tor

    49, the green one is recovered.

    2577, or actually 56 i.e. the gray one is dead.

  220. denk says:

    Talking about swine flu,
    I presume everybody knows what uncle sham did to Cuba ?

    [MORE]

    Giving Cuban exiles, for their use, the virus which causes African swine fever, forcing the Cuban government to slaughter 500,000 pigs.

    Invading Cuba in 1961 at the Bay of Pigs.

    Invading Grenada in 1983 and killing 84 Cubans, mainly construction workers.

    Blowing up a passenger plane full of Cubans in 1976. (In 1983, the city of Miami held a day in honor of Orlando Bosch, one of the two masterminds behind this awful act; the other perpetrator, Luis Posada, was given lifetime protection in the same city.)

    Infecting Cuban turkeys with a virus which produces the fatal Newcastle disease, resulting in the deaths of 8,000 turkeys.

    In 1981 an epidemic of dengue hemorrhagic fever swept the island, the first major epidemic of DHF ever in the Americas. The United States had long been experimenting with using dengue fever as a weapon. Cuba asked the United States for a pesticide to eradicate the mosquito involved but was not given it. Over 300,000 cases were reported in Cuba with 158 fatalities.

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2016/03/17/cia-motto-proudly-overthrowing-the-cuban-government-since-1959/

  221. @Smith

    And red = confirmed cases, yellow = suspected.

    Probably BS.

    1) Why and how would Tencent have access to the real figures?

    2) News organizations screw up. E.g., this “146%” vote total, which later became a meme about Russian vote fraud, but was actually just a minor screw-up on TV.

  222. @Biff

    Possibly MMH , like the CDC can the WHO be trusted ? See : “Coronavirus – another Illuminati psy-op?henrymakow.com

  223. Sam J. says:
    @mikesmith

    William H. McNeil’s _Plagues and Peoples is a great book. I would put it up there as one of the books necessary for you to read in order to have some idea of history.

  224. denk says:

    When I first heard of swine flu in China 2019 which almost wiped out its pork supplies, my first thought was [[[the Usual Suspects]]]

    What I dont know is [[[sobs]]] used drones to carry out the attacks !

    [MORE]

    Swine flu was propagated by drones

    As strange was it seems, the complete collapse of the pig farm industry in China in 2019 was propagated by drones. This is why so many isolated pig farms became infected. “Criminal elements” were using drones to spray the pigs with flu to devastate the pork industry.

    This is the Swine-flu pandemic in 2019.

    Chinese Farmers: Criminals Are Using Drones to Infect Our Pigs

    Commercial pig farm in China jams drone signal to combat …

    Pig Farm In Trouble for Defenses Against Swine Fever …

    Chinese gangsters use drones to spread African swine fever …

    Have you ever heard of this?

    It’s using technology to destroy an entire national industry. And it’s blamed on “criminal gangs”. I know that gangs are powerful, but why would they ever want to destroy a national resource? That is like Tony Suprano conspiring to sink every container ship in every port in the United States. It does not add up.

    UNlesss they were paid big bucks by [[[you know who]]], like those Cuban exiles ?

    https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

  225. dailymail.co.uk : “World Health Organisation investigates claims it is rife with sexism, corruption and racism”
    prn.fm : “CDC corruption : Scientists on the inside slam the agency “

  226. @sudden death

    China coronavirus ‘spreads before symptoms show’:

    In humans, the incubation period – during which a person has the disease, but no symptoms yet – ranges from between one and 14 days, officials believe.

    Without symptoms, a person may not know they have the infection, but still be able to spread it.

    This is a significant development in our understanding of the virus and the lengths China will have to go to, to stop it.

    People with Sars (the last deadly coronavirus outbreak to hit China) and Ebola are contagious only when symptoms appear.

    Such outbreaks are relatively easy to stop – identify and isolate people who are sick and monitor anyone they came into contact with.

    Flu, however, is the most famous example of a virus that you spread before you even know you’re ill.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51254523

  227. @Yevardian

    Shitposting only. I used to study Russian for four years, but I didn’t learn much. I can still read the letters. My Russian teacher couldn’t much speak Russian either, so it’s hardly a surprising outcome.

  228. Aly says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    This is not funny! Realy. Not funny.

  229. @last straw

    See the BBC link above. SARS couldn’t spread before the symptoms appeared, so pushing down the R0 was a relatively simple task (even so, it was very hard: simple, but not easy), but this is basically impossible, because you have no idea who is infectious and who isn’t right now. Brute force approaches have obvious limitations, quarantining huge cities is a difficult task, yet the virus has already escaped them, so all it will accomplish is slowing the spread of the disease, but stopping it seems impossible now.

    • Replies: @last straw
  230. @Anatoly Karlin

    One of the reasons why it spread more rapidly in its initial phase was probably just because Chinese make many more trips nowadays than in 2002-2003. After all, the R0 for SARS is much higher at 2-5. It cannot be explained by R0 only. We should wait for the situation in next phase, when all kinds of preventive measures are implemented.

  231. @last straw

    There are other factors mitigating the spread of the disease, like better hygiene, more alienation (people driving cars instead of walking, being glued to their smartphone screens instead of talking to each other, etc.), more surveillance cameras and in general technology helping the response, much better medical equipment, and probably the authorities are better prepared for this (their communication is certainly better).

    The big problem is that this is infectious already before the symptoms, so reducing the R0 number won’t be a trivial task.

  232. Is there a patent for a Coronavirus vaccine already ? See : patents.justia.com “US Patent for Coronavirus (patent #10,130,701) July,23,2015 “

  233. @reiner Tor

    You are right SARS is not infectious during the incubation phase and can only spread during the symptomatic phase. Please see my reply to AK below. Chinese make many more trips now than before. Also, more vigilant screening and quicker, easier diagnostic test further increase the detection rate. The diagnostic test is as simple as collecting some throat swab (see below). All these make the new coronavirus seemingly more infectious than SARS in its initial phase. I think we have to wait a little bit longer to draw conclusion.

    https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/20200114-interim-laboratory-guidance-version.pdf?sfvrsn=6967c39b_4&download=true

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
    , @reiner Tor
  234. @last straw

    The Chinese claim that the virus is infectious during the incubation period has been questioned. The Chinese minister didn’t specify why he thought it was so, and some experts have questioned China has anything to base this on. So maybe it’ll be tackled quickly.

    • Replies: @last straw
  235. @last straw

    If you read the Guardian article above, apparently earlier in January they didn’t test some people with severe pneumonia (high fever and coughing up blood…), because of a shortage of medical staff and equipment. This situation might have improved since, but unless they manage to arrest the spread of the disease quickly, it will quickly worsen again.

    Even if you could test all people regularly, it’s a gargantuan task to organize it.

  236. @reiner Tor

    No conspiracy, just ignorance and ambition. However, will always be denied, ’cause “we don’t make mistakes due to ignorance”.

    SV40 – simian virus 40 – polio vaccine was created using monkey cells contaminated with sv40. Scientists did not know what a retrovirus was. Found in soft tissue cancer. 98,000,000 doses of polio vaccine created with this virus. Discovered in mid to late 1950’s , removed from use in late 1950’s early 1960’s

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1992/04/05/did-a-polio-vaccine-experiment-unleash-aids-in-africa/0fb7cac2-0b3a-4ec3-8a78-5f032b639bf9/

    HIV – also referred to in above article – and here:
    https://www.amazon.com/River-Journey-Source-HIV-AIDS/dp/0316372617
    however, HIV is much sleazier – degenerate ambition.
    “HIV made the jump from simians to humans via the administration of oral polio vaccine in Africa in the 1950s”

  237. Lot says:

    Would you be anywhere near such a line if you weren’t already sick?

    China’s infection and death count are extreme underestimates.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
  238. One further factor [in the defeat of SARS], possibly the most crucial, was inherent to the way SARS-CoV affects the human body: Symptoms tend to appear in a person before, rather than after, that person becomes highly infectious. The headache, the fever, and the chills—maybe even the cough—precede the major discharge of virus toward other people. Even among some of the superspreaders, in 2003, this seems to have been true. That order of events allowed many SARS cases to be recognized, hospitalized, and placed in isolation before they hit their peak of infectivity. The downside was that hospital staff took the first big blasts of secondary infection; the upside was that those blasts generally weren’t emitted by people still feeling healthy enough to ride “a bus or a subway to work. This was an enormously consequential factor in the SARS episode—not just lucky but salvational. With influenza and many other diseases the order is reversed, high infectivity preceding symptoms by a matter of days. A perverse pattern: the danger, then the warning. That probably helped account for the scale of worldwide misery and death during the 1918–1919 influenza: high infectivity among cases before they experienced the most obvious and debilitating stages of illness. The bug traveled ahead of the sense of alarm. And that infamous global pandemic, remember, occurred in the era before globalization. Everything nowadays moves around the planet faster, including viruses. If SARS had conformed to the perverse pattern of presymptomatic infectivity, its 2003 emergence wouldn’t be a case history in good luck and effective outbreak response. It would be a much darker story.

    The much darker story remains to be told, probably not about this virus but about another. When the Next Big One comes, we can guess, it will likely conform to the same perverse pattern, high infectivity preceding notable “symptoms. That will help it to move through cities and airports like an angel of death.

    From Spillover, David Quammen (2012)

  239. LondonBob says:

    Still looking grim.

    Will be very interested how these confirmed cases in the US turnout both in regard to treatment and spread. Clearly Wuhan is overwhelmed.

  240. If race doesn’t exist, why did a huge proportion of the Native American population die of disease after Europeans arrived?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Depopulation_from_disease

    • Replies: @sudden death
    , @Popeye
  241. @YetAnotherAnon

    Probably also had to do something with the fact those arrived Europeans were immuno tough and historically relatively recent descendants of Black Death survivors?

  242. butdik says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN

  243. Can any of you who have molecular biology background tell me if this thing is lipid coated, like Herpes or HIV?

    • Replies: @songbird
  244. SafeNow says:

    Face masks protect you from a “splash” cough or sneeze right into your face. This is a very rare event. The main protection is that the mask discourages you from touching your face. But if the mask does NOT discourage you, and you are touching the mask, then the mask is a bad thing.

  245. Already five cases in the USA. The commenter Lot made the point that only a hundred thousand people traveled to the USA from China this month, so this is a rate of 5/100,000, which seems much higher than the Chinese reported rate. (A few thousand cases per a billion people.) It’s also inconsistent with the Guardian article, where a seriously ill 36 year old woman was sent home last week (because no capacity), and wasn’t even tested for the virus (again, because no capacity). She had very high fever and was coughing up blood, so how was she not a serious case? How can the medical authorities be so thoroughly overwhelmed (not even time for a short test?) by a few thousand cases of infections in a city of 11,000,000?

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
    • Replies: @last straw
  246. Smith says:

    In times like these, you have to appreciate North Korea for immediately closing the borders the very minute something is up.

    Wonder why other countries are just playing around, including mine.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  247. The mask is a tremendous help if it’s worn by those already infected.

  248. songbird says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    You’re asking if it has a lipoprotein envelope? Yes. The name “corona” (crown) is related to the morphology created by the viral spikes which are embedded in this envelope. Nothing particularly special, when it comes to the lipids. Just derived from the cells it infects, with its own proteins added.

  249. La Peste by Albert Camus that won him the Nobel Prize in literature. That’s the book to read. It’s a must! The plague is out there, dormant, waiting to strike again somewhere sometime. You’ve been warned.

  250. Ashwin says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Hi Anatoly,

    Colombia U professor Vincent Racaniello has a post up with evidence for a mutation resulting in decreased virulence during the 2003 sars epidemic. There are some scenarios imaginable where mutations can help contain the virus. Ofcourse, the odds of getting lucky again are pretty low.

    http://www.virology.ws/2020/01/23/a-lesson-from-sars-cov-for-2019-ncov/

    • Agree: Anatoly Karlin
  251. Popeye says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Because their populations in various areas had never been exposed to the viruses..thus no immunity whatsoever..like War of the World’s, what killed the aliens..common earthly bacteria, microbes, pathogens, viruses. They had no defense mechanisms

  252. There is a Czech antiviral that is sold over the counter in Russia. It helped me with Mexican flu. I can’t remember the name now. It is not available in the UK. Mice once went blind but it is used by large numbers of Russians so I don’t think that’s a serious risk. Made in Ukraine these days.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Lot
  253. melpol says:

    Person who is infected will not feel the symptoms until 10 days. The infected person can innocently spread the virus at home or at work to hundreds of others. Millions who are infected without feeling any symptoms for 10 days can infect Bilions. It can become a doomsday virus. Isolating selective Asians might be the only defense.

    • Replies: @last straw
  254. @LEAFY

    We’re so dead.

    If they’re using an HIV type response it must mean the virus causes a Cytokine storm and causes immune system failure or overload.

    It’s apparently designed to cover all bases for survival and recovery. If your immune system is strong enough to miraculously withstand all the other vectors, the virus then uses the immune system against the host. If it mutates, you lose immunity from surviving the previous generation. Your damaged immune response then makes you more susceptible to the next generation of non immune based vectors.

    Why else would you use an HIV response? What else does this chimera recombinant do? Herpes spikes? Then it can remain in the host organism indefinitely, and survive in all spectrum conditions.

    Maybe it can work. Alongside cortico steroids. Maybe they can stop the virus replicating. But I think it will be aimed at preventing immune system response. Which will help. But it won’t cure.

    The Chinese have effed us so royally. Or the Deep State of it was them instead. But it’s looking a Chinese fuck up more at this stage. Why hasn’t the God Emperor shut it all down? All measures should be taken, right now. Shut down the ports and declare an international health emergency. Muh gdp can take a hit now instead of much worse later.

    [MORE]

    It’s exponential. One single person in 12 weeks can cause 5000 people to be infected. The bug people don’t care. They’ve come to the West to get first response care. Nevermind the 5000 collateral damage.

    It’s going to need a miracle to make it to Christmas. This is January. It’s going to pop heading into late February. December is an eternity.

    This is the world the Liberals wanted. They wanted a world where we had to bow to every half naked Savage and let them roam and seethe and cheat and eat bugs and give them gibs and worship their dirty feet and retarded ways.

    Now, we’re all going to die.

    Maybe the GE has a vaccine or some kind of response but he’s going to let the Commies feel God’s wrath for a while first. But it’s very risky. I hope so.

    In 6 months, if governments don’t act, this is going to look like Children of Men.

    Can you feel the dread in the pit of your stomach? I can feel it.

    If this thing is airbourne there is no escape. What kind of protocols do you have to observe to never take off a Hazmat suit? Ever? If one family member gets it you can’t be their family member anymore. It gets in through your pores. Got a Hazmat suit that allows toiletry and sustenance?

    Well. Im going to go to confession while it’s still available. Then im going to try to not sin and maybe then I’ll get a shorter time in purgatory.

    LA.

    It’s going to kill all the homeless. Im sure none of them will crawl into an aquifer to die from the unbearable pneumonia and hypothermia. Then there goes your water.

    We’re all fucking equal.

    This is the price we have to pay.

    Just one faggot doctor who feels sorry for a dindu and it goes exponential. Just one.

    How’s that Mexican border looking? How’s the Canadian border looking? Flights still coming in from Wuhan. Has the girl you’ve been boning kissed someone recently with asymptoms?

    The last NEET on their last can of Spam should sing Ozymandias.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  255. @reiner Tor

    Hopefully the Chinese are wrong. The only thing that is relatively certain at this point is that the new coronavirus probably causes less severe symptoms than SARS does overall. Everything else is in flux, including the R0. It might be adjusted higher if current trend continuous.

  256. iffen says:
    @Philip Owen

    Mice once went blind

    As long as it was not more than three, I think it would be safe.

    • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
  257. @reiner Tor

    Already five cases in the USA. The commenter Lot made the point that only a hundred thousand people traveled to the USA from China this month, so this is a rate of 5/100,000, which seems much higher than the Chinese reported rate. (A few thousand cases per a billion people.)

    Not necessarily if you consider that the susceptible population is 40-50 million (current population under traveling ban), instead of the whole 1.4 billion people in China.

    • Replies: @Lot
  258. iffen says:

    Look, someone needs to say this, so it might as well be me.

    If this virus takes out Ruth Bader Ginsburg then that will be proof that God has annointed Trump as the One.

  259. @last straw

    SARs was contained because it wasn’t infectious during incubation. Only after symptom onset. So carriers could be identified and isolated. There was also a mutation that entirely arbitrarily made it much less infectious.

    The fucking Chinese virus based on reports from everywhere is ambiguous as to infection during incubation.

    We’ll know soon enough if in the West in the next ten days to 13 days people without any symptoms start dying.

    It’s not looking good in Canada.

    Bug people and mud people are going to chimp out. Getting hospital care thru the brown hordes will be impossible and will just lead to contraction anyway.

    If you’re having sex with an East Asian, stop immediately. I have. Not just for the physical. It’s time to get as much grace in as possible to make up for a lifetime of sin.

    Within 4 weeks having sex is going to be like playing Russian Roulette, with more bullets in the chamber depending on degrees of separation to a potential carrier.

    Man. I hope we get to see one more Christmas. A lot of people won’t.

  260. Lot says:
    @last straw

    SCMP says 5 million Wuhaners left before the sealing of the city. Probably they are well spread out aside from the most remote areas. Wuhan is a passenger rail hub.

    Currently only NZ’s tiny market is open, no sign of a crash, but Japan opens shortly.

    The big hit to Chinese stocks last week seemed like an overreaction to me. Now I am not so sure. With everything shut down in a large area and people panicked elsewhere, supply chains will fail, debt won’t be paid, etc.

    I don’t see a zombie apocalypse coming or anything, but something that knocks GDP growth from 6% to 1%? Maybe.

    • Replies: @Lot
  261. Lot says:
    @Philip Owen

    Taking a Ukrainian antiviral off-label for a flu?

    No thanks.

    I’d stockpile it though. List it on ebay for worldwide shipping, $100 a bottle. They might shut you down but of you keep your listing low key, maybe not.

  262. @melpol

    Person who is infected will not feel the symptoms until 10 days. The infected person can innocently spread the virus at home or at work to hundreds of others. Millions who are infected without feeling any symptoms for 10 days can infect Bilions. It can become a doomsday virus. Isolating selective Asians might be the only defense.

    So far the R0 of the new coronavirus is estimated to be 1.4-2.8, that means on average, each infected person will infect 1.4 to 2.8 other persons without any preventive measures whatsoever. I think the equation for the infection is the following:

    Pi(t)=P0(R0^t), where Pi(t)=infected individuals at time t, P0=infected individuals at time 0, t is the time that takes for an infection to occur.

    So far the P0 is probably a few dozens, R0 is 1.4-2.8, I have no ideal about t. But it does not look like doomsday to me yet, even if R0 is adjusted higher later.

  263. songbird says:
    @Lot

    Not sure if any firm conclusions can be drawn from the line.

    The Chinese have a very strange culture, when it comes to health. Those people might be in line to receive some ineffectual prophylactic, like antibiotics or a vitamin drip.

    In China, it takes only 4 years to become a doctor.

  264. @last straw

    There’s all kinds of estimates for r0 floating around.

    E.g., this paper pegs it at 3-5: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1

    Sure, median seems to be around 2-2.5, but we don’t know. Nor do we know if the mortality rate is 1%, 10%, or anywhere in between.

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @Philip Owen
  265. @Smith

    There’s a reason we call it Best Korea.

  266. @Jay Chou's burning Diaphragm, cough

    I remember when HIV/AIDS first came on the scene the designers of biodeath were complaining that it’s too slow acting and hard to transmit. They wanted an airborne HIV/AIDS type virus that would kill quickly, like almost instantly. Looks like they’re getting there. If not this time, better luck next time I guess. And AIDS usually kills with pneumonia too.

    (For a laugh: What has MicrobeHard Corporation CEO Bill Gates, the world’s leading expert on infectious diseases, got to say? He’s already cooked up a vaccine for himself, his family and whoever has paid him a million dollars for a shot? There’s 46.8 million millionaires in the world today, so that’s what he’ll let through. He lied by a factor of 10 when he wrote on the Georgia Guidestones that he’s going down to 500 million global population . Trust him – not. And anyone asked for McAfee’s advice yet, if they can find him? He’s pretty good at virus protection too but the CIA want to off him as he’s probably got a much cheaper option out there to protect the masses from viral attacks. And the SpaceX guy has lifted off into space in a Tesla car to get away and grow old in it, doesn’t trust Bill’s vaccine – he’ll die in less space than the lost astronaut in 2001 A Space Odyssey, that guy got an entire apartment floating around the galaxy to live out his life in all alone.)

  267. Smith says:

    Dead at 80, infected at 2500 as of morning 27 Jan 2020. Source: chink official account.

    So far it is going by the 3% mortality rate chart, edging a little bit. If nothing changes, we can expect over a million of casualties by February.

  268. In the movie Contagion the R0 was I think only 2.0

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/r0-and-virus-spread-math-in-the-film-contagion.112260/

    Here’s an explanation of the maths.

    The exponential curve only plateaus when the number of healthy recipients can no longer receive the value of the Ro as an exponent.

    For the measles interestingly which is the highest, R0 is apparently 12-15. At least there is no sign the Chinese spliced Corona with Measles right? Right?!

    If there is an Ro here of 5, lol. I hadn’t seen that paper. If it’s 5. Zen.

    This is much worse then Contagion.

    https://tass.com/society/1113047

    The Russians are going full quarantine on Chinese nationals.

    Look at their detection methodologies. That’s what we should have set up as a bare minimum in the West.

    https://news.qq.com//zt2020/page/feiyan.htm?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

    Suspected cases in China just jumped to 5,800.

    WHO numbers haven’t been updated since the 25th. Still at 1,300.

    That means we’re tracking roughly 2 days ahead of schedule, which means the Ro is at least higher then 2.8 I think.

    By the end of February on the 21st on a 2.8 R0 I think it’s going to be approx 60million infections and 1.2million deaths. I think that was a 2.8 R0. It might be a 2.3-2.5. You can easily model this in Excel.

    Note that from the 20th to the 21st of February you go from 38million infected to the 60million infected. In one day.

    I don’t have the heart to look further ahead then one month at this point. It causes one to quail.

    But the mortality assumes the mortality coming out of China is correct, which it absolutely isn’t.

    We’ll only get a sense of mortality rate as we see what happens to patients in the West who receive full-range care. From presentation to release/decease we can understand the mortality ratio. Please at 3% may it remain.

    Then we can apply discounts based on lower tiers of care, down to no care. The public health administrators will know system capacities.

    https://efficiencyiseverything.com/food/

    Here is a set of food efficiency ratings. For the good people of the Unz Review.

    If the course is followed, all mitigation will be purely academic in any case.

    So all the people saying it has to be contained in the next 2-4 weeks are correct.

  269. Smith says:

    WHO is controlled by the chinks.

    There is no reason why they haven’t declared global emergency yet when even chinks have declared emergency in China.

    The UN is a fucking corrupt joke LMAO.

    Contagion is a literal documentary now, right down to WHO being blackmailed by chinks.

    • Troll: Blinky Bill
  270. @Smith

    Seems wrong.

    Latest:

    2,104 Confirmed cases worldwide
    80 Deaths worldwide

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2020-wuhan-novel-coronavirus-outbreak/

    To panic or not to panic? – that is the question.

  271. Start giving energy to Cure-Chan to genocide Corona-Chan.

  272. Hmm Israeli-Anon thinks some Kiwi-Aussie whatever fucked up their charting due to time difference, and the confirmed numbers are tracking below the extrapolation. 2800 instead of 3500. The 27th in China is today, Kiwi-Aussie had 2,800 inputted for the 26th cell.

    It feels good. I actually love East Asian women. They’re so tender. They rerry rike me.

    Good work, Cure-Chan!

    We love you Cure-Chan!

    We don’t actually want to all fucking die on lungs that have been scarred and ripped to shreds like a marine at Guadalcanal hit by a million shrapnel shells and machine gun bullets, Cure-Chan!

    I don’t want to die in a bubbling pool of my own piss and blood in a basement.

    So go to work Cure-Chan! So beautiful!

  273. WHO is controlled by the chinks.

    Just like Interpol. Or at least until recently – its head got sent down to 14 years in jail in PRC.

    If anyone is found responsible for this outbreak, or slack in dealing with it, and they survive the virus, I hope they get sent down to the stadium for their bullets.

  274. Dreadilk says:

    Anyone notice the conspiracy crazies crawling out the woodwork all over the thread?

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @iffen
  275. @Lot

    I doubt half of Wuhan’s residents (11 million) left town, even for Lunar New Year. These were probably just passengers passing through Wuhan and its suburbs. I think the risk of their contact with the infected is low.

    • Replies: @Lot
  276. @Anatoly Karlin

    Yes, the estimate for R0 has been allover the place so far. Let’s wait and see.

  277. Lot says:
    @last straw

    This is out of 13 million so it includes some suburbs.

    The number is those already out for unrelated reasons plus the throngs fleeing the virus before the roads were blocked.

    Wouldn’t the reporters at SCMP know better than you?

    • Replies: @last straw
  278. @Lot

    The numbers just don’t add up. I seriously doubt Wuhan is half empty now.

  279. Omegabooks says: • Website

    Great post and a reminder (since someone mentioned Stephen King’s “The Stand”) about the effectiveness of predictive-programming.

    And thanks to Ron Unz for letting my change my username or handle!

  280. Friendo says:

    The Coronavirus in China is a perfect example AGAINST open borders and multiculturalism.

    • Agree: DreadIlk
  281. Smith says:

    This is the estimated mortality sheet, so far seems to be accurate/within tolerance:

    View post on imgur.com

  282. songbird says:
    @Dreadilk

    Short-form conspiracies are a fun exercise in imagination. It is not a matter of believing them, but just trying to come up with the most original cui bono scenario.

    But when they get too rambling and repetitive, funnily enough, they actually make me a little paranoid because I tend to be suspicious that it is artifice, to derail the thread or blog. And not necessarily because of anything to do with the virus. Though, I suppose the real answer is that there are just a lot of crazy people on the internet.

    Probably didn’t help that Vox linked here.

    • Replies: @ConspiracyNO
    , @DreadIlk
  283. @songbird

    This is hilarious.

    If you want to see the entire course of this Pandemic pre-charted, just watch these Event 201 documentaries.

    Download these and get them into Pastebins. They will get Shoahed at any time.

    We’re currently in the period pre the second Board meeting officially, however probably unofficially into the third Board Meeting of the sequence.

    Save these and download them – this is the model for Event 201, Agenda 21, the Corona Virus scenario currently underway.

    Based on segment 4 deaths stated, we’re about 1 month behind segment 4 right now – by about 20 February if it isn’t contained we’ll be hitting 1 million deaths, so Segment 4 takes us from February 21.

    – Segment 1

    – Segment 2

    – Segment 3

    – Segment 4

    – Segment 5 ‘Hotwash and Conclusion’.

    Looks like there will be anti-virals which will make everyone autistic and senile and barren available at 2 months, which will be hundreds of millions of deaths.

    In Segment 5, jump to 8:29 and then prepare to get very upset. Here is what the man says:

    “So first of all I think we should, in the spirit of accountability, assess the effectiveness of this board (“Laughter”), (“You first”), and as an optimist I’d like to say that we should take full responsibility for this not reaching 100million deaths, or 200millions deaths, it was only 65million, (laughter) so there was ‘some’ effectiveness of the board…”

    Then he basically in that context implies they need better coordination and cooperation to be able to kill more people under the CAP Event scenario we’re all about to be put through.

    If there is any kind of coordinated response among government and multilateral bodies, it’s coordination apparently on how best to achieve maximum impact from the epidemic, not how to minimize it.

    Then if you watch the other material it talks about how insiders have already pre-pared financial/business and commercial responses, and the clear implication is that governments will be forced to act as implementation of mass vaccinations.

    The internet is also going to be suppressed in many places – they very clearly say that any kind of material like on this thread will be regarded as ‘misinformation’ or ‘disinformation’ and bad actors will be targeted.

    It’s just like how there are always practice drills before major international events.

    So I think it would be a good time to buy shares in Pharmaceuticals and public health collateral.

    I also am so angry I’m not sure what to do.

    Millions of people are going to die, and it looks like it’s already been pre-charted and pre-plotted and pre-modeled.

    Watch it. It’s actually surreal. It’s all there.

    If it’s a conspiracy, why is it so congruent to our current reality? Why all the snide allusions and references and insider duping delight on show?

  284. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=X4XGBBYQqkg&feature=emb_title

    And now the worst ever plagues of Locusts in Africa – 40km by 60km wide.

    And then they spray all the food with terrifying chemicals.

    So we have pestilence (China) famine (Africa, soon), War?, Conquest?

    Novos Ordo Seculorum.

    2020 looks like it’s a critical year.

    Maybe the Wall is to keep us all in.

    Think we’ll get to Christmas?

  285. denk says:

    Is someone up there tired of how the [[[bastards]]] have made a mess of his handiwork ?

    All of a sudden, the picture become so clear.
    Every thing start to click together. ???

    ————————————————–

    Talking about bird flu 2013,
    how could I fail to mention the biggie….. H7N9 in 2018 ???
    ————————————–
    The Chinese chicken industry was almost wiped out in 2018 by the bird flu virus.

    You do not need to believe me.

    Just Google for viral outbreaks in China. Ever since President Donald Trump became President and incorporated Neocon “War Hawks” on his Negotiation team, China has been wracked with all sorts of [1] new, [2] novel, and [3] unusually lethal strains of viral agents. All of which cripple the Chinese people, food and livestock.

    https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

    —————————

    Thanks for the reminder !

    NOW GET THIS…..
    DO YOU KNOW THERE’S A NIH SPONSORED PROJ TO WEAPONISE H7N9 AND…..THEY EVEN PUBLISHED THE RESULT !!!

    Here’s good ole Janet Phelan again,….

    ‘This planet has already achieved a delicate balance between all species, long before we arrived. But the self-deluded geniuses wanted more excitement to the show. There is a conspiracy to spread the flu virus at the widest coverage possible, and it’s not just a theory.

    The scientists themselves who were conducting the specific research on how they made H7N9 virus increase its rate of human transmissions are already publicizing it.

    More than that, they are also studying specific strains from different locations on Earth, so that a gene, or race, specific attack can be made possible.

    The viruses being experimented upon “have been collected in at least 28 countries in Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.”

    View this document on Scribd
    How to Kill a Whole Lot of People: Scripps Scientists Publish

    How They Made H7N9 Virus More Transmissible
    By Janet Phelan

    https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

    ———————————————-
    Somebody noticed this….

    Socio-Economics History Blog
    Socio-Economics & History CommentaryHome

    AboutWeaponized Bird Flu Research Published as Virus ‘Just Mutations’ Away from Pandemic!

    Why would any sane person publish details about how to weaponize bird flu? We are not dealing with sane people. We are dealing with people infected by the blasphemous reality of the mentally ill: Satanism. We are dealing with Illuminists-Satanists who are out to execute their agenda for depopulation, genocide, fomenting chaos, diseases, deaths, violence …. to initiate hell on earth … to prepare the way for their fake messiah, the Anti-Christ, the bringer of false peace, the white horseman of Revelation 6. They want to use bio-weapons and even race specific Bird Flu in this coming Satanic World War 3.

    This act of publishing the detail how-to of airborne transmissible virulent Bird Flu is just for plausible deniability before the western Illuminati employs it. They will say it is an act of rogue terrorists and nothing to do with their MIC.

    Page 72 of PNAC (Project for New American Century) Report And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

    Ex. British Military: The Illuminati Plans World War 3 in 18 – 24 Months!
    China will catch a Cold … During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, “China will catch a cold”. Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened. This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the “real” war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.

    [link is dead, webarchive doesnt help these days]
    —————————–

    No sooner than the guy made that astute observation when H7N9 hit China in late 2017 which wiped out the Chinese poultry industry… !!!

    ——————-
    Nov 2017
    Is China Ground Zero for a Future Pandemic?
    Yin, who is 50 and wearing a neat gray polo shirt, is thumbing through a thick sheaf of medical records, pointing out all the ways physicians and traditional healers failed his wife. She was stricken by vomiting and fatigue this past March, but it took more than a week to determine she’d been infected by H7N9, an influenza virus that had jumped across the species barrier from birds to humans. By the time doctors figured out what was wrong with her, it was too late.
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/china-ground-zero-future-pandemic-180965213/

  286. @reiner Tor

    I think there’s a non-negligible chance that it will be more damaging (or at least almost as damaging) to the West than China. Just there will be a delay, because it started in China, but the Black Death also was equally horrible in the West, just a little later.

    However bad it becomes, at least these countries have functional medical systems. If Coronavirus spreads to Middle Eastern or African countries, with weaker or minimal health systems as well as generally poorer personal hygiene, as well as some being in a state of warfare, it would probably be far more lethal.

    • Replies: @utu
  287. @neutral

    However a global pandemic would not be the worst thing ever, the current zog world order (aka globo homo) is the worst thing, a shakeup of the current world order should be welcomed.

    In other words, you love Corona-Chan!

  288. @Lot

    If they were really sick, they wouldn’t wasting their time in a crowd. In a real emergency people don’t have time or energy for theatrical hysterics.

  289. szopen says:

    You guys are panicking way too much. The regular (?) flu in Poland alone this season killed 50 people so far.

    Though it’s unusually high number; there were years when no one was dead.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  290. @Anonymoustache

    …so there’s an increasing push for vegetarianism and the promotion of alternative protein sources like lab grown meat, soy, insects, etc.

    Especially soy, kek.

  291. @szopen

    It’s not a limear risk. It could end up having killed a few hundred people, or three hundred million people, and even if just 10% of the population got pneumonia, it’d be bad.

    Of course usually “nothing ever happens” is the most likely bet. But it’s not symmetrical. It costs nothing to buy supplies of canned food or rice etc., or disinfectants.

    • Replies: @szopen
  292. https://archive.md/uiDeh

    China is refusing to allow repatriation of thousands of British nationals. Poor kids. They’re dead already.

  293. Hong Kong University Medicine estimates an R-o of 2.13 and 6.13 days doubling.

    Estimation, 43,590 infected in Wuhan alone.

    That would advance to Feb 2 on the scale, and assume 1000+ deaths in Wuhan province, assuming the 3% death rate. If it’s 15% etc we’re up around 6,500.

    China has to beat this. If China can’t beat it the West won’t beat it.

    It’s the average growth + new percentage growth curve that is most important.

    We have to get a downward trend on new cycle growth.

    As far as can be analysed on public information, the rate of growth is still high enough to go exponential, but the rate of is slowing.

    China has to contain it’s Virus.

    And western governments need to forget about the WHO who are apparently trying to get us all killed and show the same leadership as Russia and Xi.

    It’s a disgrace the WHO figures are so out of date. This is moving like a Tsunami, and the closer it gets to the shore the larger the unstoppable power and force. Have to know where it is and try and contain it.

    Can’t be 2-3 days out of date in these circumstances.

  294. Sorry forgot the link like an infuriating pleb.

    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1505090-20200127.htm

    It’s tipped to peak in June.

    Look at what that means with respect to the chart. June? Hahahaha.

    Once a virus invades the body, it injects “genetic information”, i assume in this case their ORfF1AB RNA into the host, into their cell to replicate the virus more in the host body.

    That’s the mechanism of a virus, invade body, inject RNA into cell and “hijack” cell in order to produce more virus, which will eventually spread in the body and also to other humans

    The gap in the pic represents a new ORF1AB, a new mechanism or “injecting RNA” never seen before in a strain of nCoV-2019.

    What has me flipping out is the herpes link, I suspect its perhaps because the bat had viral herpes too and some kind of viral crossover has happened with recombination and herpes attachment proteins have ended up on a nCoV-2019 capsid.

    The types of Human Herpes Viruses that particular gene sequence shows up on are linked with Cytokine Storms, which is not good with a Respiratory Virus that can infect non Immunocompromized people, nCoV-2019 could show Cytokine Reactions in people, it would lead credence to the rumors that nCoV-2019 is causing fluid build up in the lungs as imagining nCoV-2019 enters the Respiratory System and Macrophages freak out. the area suffers from Pulmonary Edema, and then Pneumonia. Not only is nCoV-2019 novel, it might be causing immune systems to freak out, the Mortality of this might be real shitty.

    nCoV-2019 has SAS'(Surface Attachment Spikes) that are encoded the same as Human Herpes Virus HHV-8 which in Immunocompromized individuals has been known to cause Cytokine issues. The SAS on nCoV-2019 strain might show affinity for causing similar Cytokine issues perhaps in a Patients Lung Tissues, as this appears to be a Hybrid of Bat and Human Corona Viruses”

    No point being melodramatic but this is a real event. Wish we’d all had more time to do what we should have done.

    China has to achieve victory against the Virus, as does the West.

  295. @Dreadilk

    This is making me reconsider what should be considered economy. Who gives a shit if some store clerk gets let go or some people don’t get paid for servicing you. Are factories fine? Is all the machinery there? Does the virus make your savings disappear? Then there is no problem.

    The physical infrastructure will remain, but the goods in the shops are also made in factories. So factories will see their actual demand drop (except for producers of necessity goods), which will reduce the amount they produce. If this happens they have less need to employ as many workers.

    Yes, some things can be sold online instead of in physical stores, so the factories won’t stand completely idle, but it is unlikely that people will spend on discretionary goods to the same extent.

    Then there is also the question of how many workplaces in general will be suspended temporarily or indeterminately. Offices and schools have already received notices in the Jing-Jin-Ji (Beijing-Tianjin-Hebei) area where I live. Most likely the same is happening in a lot of other parts of the country.

    • Replies: @DreadIlk
  296. szopen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Well yes, of course. I have a stash of food just in case – not in case of Corona-chan apocalypse, but as a cheap insurance against unexpected events such as terrorist attacks or natural disasters.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  297. @szopen

    Very good. Let’s hope you won’t ever need it.

  298. DreadIlk says:
    @songbird

    Vox is solid. He entertains stuff but not the crazy stuff.

    • Replies: @songbird
  299. DreadIlk says:
    @Hyperborean

    That is my point. Temporary inconvenience is not the economy. For example you run a farm and get sick. So you don’t work for a couple of days. Let’s ignore the scenario that plants and animals need food. Nothing happens. You just go back to work the next day. Sure there are costs. But the overall farm is fine. Even if you lose some chickens and plants. You can rebuild relatively fast and you can still survive.

    In our case even if on paper Chinese economy gets devastated in reality it probably won’t change life much. And recovery will happen faster than all the speculation about how bad it will be. Once corona virus is forgotten a month from now people still going to be worried about huwei expansion, non stop destroyers/carriers being produced and etc.

  300. @ConspiracyNO

    “China is refusing to allow repatriation of thousands of British nationals.”

    As I understand it (i.e. the Guardian this morning), Japan and the US are flying their people out, France are flying their people to a quarantined location outside Wuhan, the UK are still making minds up (it’s the weekend, dammit).

    “The Foreign Office has confirmed it is working on making an “option available” for British nationals to leave Wuhan in the Hubei province in China.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jan/27/coronavirus-china-death-toll-climbs-to-80-with-more-than-2700-cases-live-updates

  301. 311.denk says: January 27, 2020

    Just so you know, the article at the link that you posted:

    https://metallicman.com/laoban4site/was-the-2020-wuhan-coronavirus-an-engineered-biological-attack-on-china-by-america-for-geopolitical-advantage

    was 80% plagiarized word for word from this article for which I published the link earlier:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/chinas-new-coronavirus-an-examination-of-the-facts/5701662

    • Replies: @denk
  302. iffen says:
    @Dreadilk

    Anyone notice the conspiracy crazies crawling out the woodwork all over the thread?

    This is TUR, they are the woodwork.

    • LOL: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @Znzn
  303. Znzn says:
    @iffen

    Maybe Unz was right about need to make this site’s comments more respectible?

    • Replies: @Is it though
    , @iffen
  304. denk says:

    Where it all began…………………

    Since 2001, the US government has poured over $100 billion dollars into what was initially called “Biodefense” but has euphemistically been renamed “Health Security.” Many of these programs are dual-use; that is to say the research can be used for either protection or weaponization. Scientists argue that it is necessary to first create the weapon (in this case a pandemic agent) in order to research the cure.
    https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

    [[[They]]] spew the same BS about the cyber research,

    ‘we need to familiarize us with all sorts of cyber attacks in order to defend ourselves from other rogue states’

    [[[sobs]]] are always defending themselves from some OTHER enemies,
    see ?

    What did Reagan call the Minuteman missile, ?
    The Peacemaker , no shit !

    What did they call their bouncer in chief ?
    Sec of DEFENCE no less.
    ————–

    In fact, we know that as early as 1945, US kicked start its biowarfare program with that ‘treasure trove’ gifted from the unit731 war criminals, in exchange for their immunity from prosecution.

    In 1997, DOO William Cohen warned darkly about

    ‘OTHERS engaging in nefarious proj such as ‘race specific bioweapon, HARRP, Ebola…..’

    [Empire watch rule 1
    BANDITS CRYING ROBBERY]

    In the same year,
    [[[They ]]] spelt it out boldly in the PNAC manifesto,

    ‘advanced form of race specific bioweapon can be transformed from the arena of terrorism into useful political tools’

    Meaning ?
    If [[[they]]] spray some nasty craps into your country, killing , maiming, sickening millions, destroying your livestock, messing up your lives, when people darent touch their loved ones, shaving off 40% of your GDP,….

    This aint terrorism per se, its just some benign ‘political’ play,
    Dont get so upset, honey !

    But what did Empire watch rule 2 tell us,,…
    ‘When uncle sham cries wolf, run for YOUR life’

    Sure enough, two years, 80 dead microbiologists later,
    SARS hit the GREATER CHINA,…mainland, HK, TW, Singapore, SEA with sizable Chinese , ….
    What about Toronto , aint them whitey ?
    Take a good look ….all those people with mask look definitely ORIENTAL, mostly likely Chinese.

    iF it looks like a Chinese, speaks like a Chinese……….

    P.S.
    According to Larry Romanoff, the victims of the current pandemic are all Chinese………..

  305. denk says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    I noticed that too
    But seems he included the links at the bottom ?

    Also I quoted him for the info regarding
    the attack on pig farms using drones.

  306. @Znzn

    We’re in pre Beijing lockdown. Government zones are already locked down. It’s just the province and city limits that are pending.

    We’re also seeing informal evidence of bans on company buses in China. That means economic ramifications worldwide.

    The WHO head of global pandemics is eliminated or has a heart attack because he knew something.

    In just the last 2 months this exact pandemic scenario was simulated by John Hopkins, WHO, Gates Foundation, UN. It literally began with a Coronavirus capable of H2H in Wuhan China. These groups are also preventing the United States from controlling it’s borders, via their proxies in US government. The US is frozen by impeachment, and the Virus is now taking hold in all US major metropolitan zones. The US is next. It will arguably be worse. China has citizens who are orderly and responsive to authority. The US has black people and Hispanics. Non Han are are already starting to die everywhere the diaspora resided. This is not targeted at Han, or Asians. This is everyone.

    The virus is flaring up everywhere internationally, and there are tens of thousands of unid’d carriers.

    The apparent plateauing in diagnoses could actually just be a function of test infrastructure capacity constraints. Deaths are the only real measure now.

    https://newslog.cyberjournal.org/100-dead-scientists-and-microbiologists/

    This has happened. 100 dead scientists and microbiologists in the lead up to this event. Why? Oh right, if CNN don’t cover it, it isn’t true? CNN were used in Event 201.

    The WHO aren’t issuing instructions for an international health emergency. Why?

    The conditions have been met. This is an international health emergency of the highest possible magnitude. Why aren’t they acting? Whyanre they facilitating virus transmission?

    You have a literal Umbrella Corporation facility in Wuhan and Shanghai. You have theft of a Corona virus from Canada. You have the apparent deployment or accidental release of this bioweapon in China. In circumstances where it has been deployed all over the world. Everyone is targeted. Not just Han. Everyone is going to get fucked.

    This isn’t a conspiracy. This is a description.

    Just look at the scenarios. If the MSM scenario is correct, why haven’t certain events occurred that corroborate?

    China’s agony is the world’s agony. We’re just a week or two behind them on the curve. But we’re going to get be in a world of pain and death eally really really badly. Very soon.

    The West has to try and contain, so that it can help China externally as soon as possible.

    There has been a long build up to this event it would seem, and it’s target is everyone. We’re in this together with the Chinese, and we have to help ourselves so we can help them.

  307. denk says:

    Like I say,
    [[[sobs]]] = CIA/MI6, period.
    I try not to blame the people.

    BUt when I take a quick look at the articles and comments at the internet now going viral,
    including many at ‘alternate media’,
    it make me wonder………
    Are they simply ignorant, plain stupid, in denial, willfully obtuse or worse ?????

  308. utu says:
    @Hyperborean

    ” However bad it becomes, at least these countries have functional medical systems. “

    Maybe functional medical system is not a good thing. Canada had the highest SARS death rate (18%) then Hong Kong (17%) and Singapore (14%).

    77 Percent of SARS Victims in Toronto Acquired Disease in a Hospital Environment, According to Report Cited at Recent APIC Conference
    https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/epidemiology-surveillance/77-percent-sars-victims-toronto-acquired-disease-hospital-environment

  309. iffen says:
    @Znzn

    Maybe Unz was right about need to make this site’s comments more respectible?

    Shouldn’t he go first with some of the stuff he publishes?

    What if some innocent, naive person landed here and got the impression that this was a real news site?

  310. utu says:

    And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

    Indeed one can find this statement on page 60 of PNAC’s document Rebuilding Americas Defenses of September 2000.

    https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses/mode/2up

    Politically useful tool? Yes, the post 9/11 anthrax attack was undoubtedly very effective in disciplining the potentially dissenting members of media and political class. The message was: “Gentlemen, watch out, we are not fucking around.”

    Was SARS epidemics used (created) to add noise background to 2003 Iraq War and possibly to discipline China?

  311. utu says:

    Canadian government scientist under investigation trained staff at Level 4 lab in China
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/national-microbiology-lab-scientist-investigation-china-1.5307424

    Questions Surround Canadian Shipment of Deadly Viruses to China
    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/questions-surround-canadian-shipment-of-deadly-viruses-to-china-66254

    Dr. Xiangguo Qiu – Chinese Biological Warfare Agent
    https://greatgameindia.com/dr-xiangguo-qiu-chinese-biological-warfare-agent/

    Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It
    http://greatgameindia.com/coronavirus-bioweapon/

    • Replies: @denk
  312. Bert says:
    @neprof

    That freeing up of cash to goose the economy and also a partial reindustrialization of the U.S. as China fades. All that would keep the Dollar alive. If that’s happening by non-accidental means, then the Chinese military will seek vengance.

  313. songbird says:
    @DreadIlk

    I mean more in the sense that more eyeballs => more crazies.

    • Replies: @Znzn
  314. denk says:
    @utu

    ‘It’s not right that she’s a Canadian government employee providing details of top-secret work and know-how to set up a high-containment lab for a foreign nation,” one employee said.


    So this is the reason then,
    Everybody knows that Trumps and Co have been purging Chinese scientists from ‘sensitive’ research centres, ostensibly ‘for national security’ concern, actually an excuse for snuffing out China’s scientific advance.

    Wouldnt be surprised the Canucks got a call from Washington.
    The way they kidnapped Huawei CEO’s daughter, you know.

    ‘Ebola and Henipah viruses—classified as Category A and C bioterrorism agents by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, respectively—pose a threat to national security because of their potential to be easily disseminated, cause high morbidity and mortality rates, and deliver lasting blows to public health.

    NO kidding , [[[they]]] must be speaking from experience…..

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/20/us-government-master-criminal-time/

    [MORE]

    ‘“All transfers of Risk Group 4 samples follow strict transportation requirements and are authorized by senior officials at the lab and the NML tracks and keeps electronic records of all shipments of samples in accordance with the HPTA,” PHAC spokesman Eric Morrissette writes in a statement, as reported by CBC News. “On the specific shipments to China earlier this year, we can confirm that we have all records pertaining to the shipment, and that all protocols were followed as directed by the above Acts and Standards.”’

    so How’s that a ‘theft’ by the ‘Chinese biowar agents’ [sic]

    ‘China agreed to the Biological Weapons Convention in 1984, but both academics and government agencies have recently asserted that the country is a world leader in bio-weapon production, according to the Edmonton Journal.’

    [[[They]]] asserted China blah blah blah,
    must be true I guess.

    hehhehehehehehe

    ‘Given the tension between the two countries, Chinese-Canadian researchers and academics are starting to worry they may be singled out and targeted, says Jia Wang, deputy director of the University of Alberta’s China Institute,’

    BIngo !
    There has been a concerted McCarthy style witch hunt on ‘Chinese agents’ all over [[[five liars]]] land in accordance with the bossman’s ‘global Chinese exclusion act’ since Trump took office.

    —————————

    ‘This Coronavirus sample was acquired by Scientific Director Dr. Frank Plummer of Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory (NML) in Winnipeg directly from Fouchier, who received it from Zaki. This virus was reportedly stolen from the Canadian lab by Chinese agents.’

    Which ‘agents’, which ‘report’ ?

    ‘Xiangguo Qiu – The Chinese Bio-Warfare Agent
    The NML scientist who was escorted out of the Canadian lab along with her husband, another biologist, and members of her research team is believed to be a Chinese Bio-Warfare agent’

    [[[They]]] ‘believe‘ blah blah blah,
    These days, [[[They]]] dont have to prove a damn thing,
    just ‘assert’, ‘believe’, ‘claim’ and you’r done.
    No way to appeal.

    hehhehe

    many Chinese agents as students from a range of Chinese scientific facilities directly tied to China’s Biological Warfare Program, namely:

    Institute of Military Veterinary, Academy of Military Medical Sciences, Changchun
    Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Chengdu Military Region
    Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Hubei
    Institute of Microbiology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing’

    Bioweapon facilities ?
    Sounds like defensive research centres to me,
    The entire Chinese military doctrine is based on Defence.
    China is the first country to declare NO FIRST USE in nukes.

    ‘However, the studies by Dr. Qiu are considerably more advanced and apparently vital for the Chinese biological weapons development in case Coronavirus, Ebola, Nipah, Marburg or Rift Valley fever viruses are included therein.’

    you bet its vital for Chinese defensive biowarfare program,
    [fixed]

    Dr. Xiangguo Qiu made at least five trips over the school year 2017-18 to the above mentioned Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, which was certified for BSL4 in January 2017. Moreover, in August 2017, the National Health Commission of China approved research activities involving Ebola, Nipah, and Crimean-Congo hemorrhagic fever viruses at the Wuhan facility.’

    Thats the rub then,
    [[[they]]] dont want the Chinese to acquire the means to defend themselves against [[[their]]] bioweapons,.
    It figures.

    ‘Coincidentally, the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory is located only 20 miles away from the Huanan Seafood Market which is the epicenter of the Coronavirus outbreak dubbed the Wuhan Coronavirus.’

    I dont believe in coincidence theory,
    The virus was planted at that seafood market precisely to implicate the Chinese Lab,.

    ‘The Wuhan institute has studied coronaviruses in the past, including the strain that causes Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, H5N1 influenza virus, Japanese encephalitis, and dengue. Researchers at the institute also studied the germ that causes anthrax’

    I’d be damned if they dont study those craps the [[[sobs]]] keep throwing at them, it’d be a gross derelict of duty.

    ‘James Giordano, a neurology professor at Georgetown University and senior fellow in Biowarfare at the U.S. Special Operations Command, said China’s growing investment in bio-science, looser ethics around gene-editing and other cutting-edge technology and integration between government and academia raise the spectre of such pathogens being weaponized.

    ROFLMAO
    Talk about bandits crying out loud.
    Pray tell ,
    how did those 80 microbiologists die ,
    I heard many specialised in gene manipulation and DNA sequencing.
    Im no microbiologist, but doesnt it sounds like race specifice bioweapon specialists ???

    ‘That could mean an offensive agent, or a modified germ let loose by proxies, for which only China has the treatment or vaccine. “This is not warfare, per se,” he said. “But what it’s doing is leveraging the capability to act as global saviour, which then creates various levels of macro and micro economic and bio-power dependencies.”’

    If Im not mistaken , the west hold the IP [sic] of all known virus.
    So its not actually bioweapon now, [[[they]]] are worried the Chinese would be chipping at their monopoly !

    ‘China’s Biological Warfare Program
    In a 2015 academic paper, Shoham – of Bar-Ilan’s Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies – asserts that more than 40 Chinese facilities are involved in bio-weapon production’

    Heck its bioweapon again.
    [[[They]]] asserts.……………………..!!!!!!

    Enuff said.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  315. utu says:

    “hehhehehehehehe”– Yes, you are an idiot.

    • Replies: @denk
  316. First death case in Beijing with yet not overcrowded and helpless hospitals, and which looks like it was not some senior pensioneer with many other illnesses as usual, illustrates how fast and lethal this virus can be:

    The victim was a 50-year-old man who had visited the central city of Wuhan, the epicentre of the outbreak, on January 8 and developed a fever after returning to Beijing seven days later, the city’s health commission said.

    He went to a hospital on January 21 and died on Monday of respiratory failure, the commission said.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20200127-beijing-reports-capital-s-first-death-from-coronavirus

  317. denk says:
    @utu

    Can you substantiate any of those
    ‘they believe’, ‘assert’, ‘claim’ stuff, ?

    Example,
    ‘China is the top bioweapon producer’
    just for starter ???

    If not, how do I rate you…
    ignorant, stupid, in denial, willfully obtuse or worse ?

  318. Pretty sure its overhyped. But the effort to propitiate angry spirits is very trad, so…

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

  319. It also looks like that all cases outside China so far were directly “imported” through travelling from there but if this virus really is contagious without symptoms then we are about roughly three-four weeks away from the moment when all the hell breaks loose as those passengers which were sitting in planes with current patients will start to feel something while previously infecting everybody left and right at home countries during that asymptomatic period.

  320. Now Chinese citizens are doing what foreign non-whites always do. When westerners are risking their lives around the clock to help those people contain their OWN virus, now they are threatening to spread it through the West. On the basis that this was ‘Americans’.

    They’re talking about smearing their bodily fluids everywhere they can, coughing on goods, poisoning common utilities, spitting on doctors, and developing a bioweapon against westerners & using it.

    It’s always a mistake, even after years where you should know better, to project your own empathetic universal preferences on foreigners who are totally irredeemable.

    Here is what happened, to all the Chinese looking at this. We empathize with you and are trying to help you, to save you from yourselves, and save ourselves from you.

    It’s always also a mistake as a westerner to project your own innate sense of humanism and competence on foreigners, of all hues, especially East Asians.

    These people are being revealed. By the day. Barely 5% of them aren’t cheating swine and good enough for our universities. Their government is totally incompetent.

    [MORE]

    – SARS was a natural phenomenon, occurring in species indigenous to China
    – In 2015 there were tests undertaken at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. It was headed by a Ralph Banc. These tests were to determine if there was/is a way to create animal to human and then human to human transmission of a SAR’s like Bat virus. They were successful.
    https://archive.is/CgquX
    – However one of the co-authors of the paper was a Chinese researcher by the name of Xing-Ye-Gi. Google scholar shows that Gi has written or co-written a series of papers on SARS, Ebola, and Coronavirus.
    https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C9&q=Xing+Ye+Gi+Ebola&btnG=
    Or search ‘any authors’ but you can see a few there.
    – Gi was a Chinese agent, and now works in Wuhan – At the Key Laboratory of Special Pathogens and Biosafety, Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Wuhan, China.
    – The Chinese also stole bio-material from the idiot Canadians who think Chinese can ever not steal or spy. This is what happens when you run Karl Popper’s ‘Open Society’.
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567
    – That material was transported to China and given to researchers like Xing Ye Gi.

    Toronto is now a national security risk for the United States of America. They’re going to be ground zero in North America.

    This was the perfect Chinese admixture.

    Total depravity +
    amorality and theft +
    incompetence +
    malign hatred of their own people +
    total abject callousness to the world.

    They released the virus deliberately against their own people as a patsy for their slowing economy and a way to kill-off a percentage of their social welfare recipients and/or
    they developed a bio-weapon to be used against Taiwan and Hong Kong that is a chimera virus, and instead they accidentally deployed it against their own Chinese people.

    This was a Chinese bio-weapon, either deployed against their own people, or released against their own people due to China’s unique incompetence allied to supreme arrogance and callousness.

    There may be a UN or WHO Deep State angle here, but it’s in complicity with China. China is after all the model for the neo-West when we’re all being programmed by Nanos and are subject to a ruthless social credit system where political correctness determines the ability to transact and subsist.

    It is unbelievable that China are now threatening westerners when they have put the entire western set of populations at risk.

    The Virus is just in a latent phase for now and won’t appear in the news cycle, but it’s no less dangerous then it was 48 hours ago when people were first examining the implications. If anything it’s even more dangerous.

    The worthless British can only find 5% of several thousand infected carriers from Wuhan who are now at large in Britain. If the Chinese citizenry are saying they are going to deliberately infect everyone they can, and this is an R-o of 3.8-5+ that’s going to mean a lot of dead Britons.

    Foreigners are a waste of time. What’s the point? Why do we always sacrifice for ungrateful people who hate us?

    There is nothing that infuriates more then when these sanctimonious craven bugs and poos who cheat systematically and earn far above the medians of our people and call them trash, pretend to be Negros and say they’re being discriminated against. They can go to hell.

    If the Chinese use their own vicious incompetence and insane recklessness and hatred of their own people as a basis for using bioweapons against the West they will deserve what they get.

    We’re risking our lives for these people. Trying to clean up their absolutely incredibly dangerous mess .

    This is a perfect microcosm of the future.

    If you have high magnitude/implication complex systems in the hands of non-whites they WILL destroy the system, through either incompetence, or amorality, or a combination of the two.

    This has been a Chinese Chernobyl, except magnitudes more dangerous and it’s still ongoing.

    This is what is going to happen as whites continue to become a minority. If they do.

    But that’s not going to happen.

    These moron low IQ Chinese idiots with their retarded notions of ‘face’ should understand that if they don’t get help, they’re all going to expire, and then we will follow. Unbelievable.

    Non-Asians died from SARS.

    If your grandfather dies, or your parents, or your spouse, or you, it’s their fault. Deep State maybe too, but primarily them. Useless idiots. They’re going to kill everyone.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  321. @utu

    Electric blankets – 99% imports came form China
    Umbrellas with a telescopic shaft – 98%
    Video-game consoles – 98%
    Plastic artificial flowers – 97%
    Cooking appliances and plate warmers – 97%
    Electric toasters – 97%
    Non-plastic artificial flowers – 97%
    Vacuum flasks (aka thermoses) – 97%
    Garden umbrellas – 97%
    Portable radio players and tape recorders – 96$
    Baby carriages and strollers – 95%

    Is that for real? Where you got those figures? Or are you bamboozling us? I’ll be very thankful if you share your source. I couldn’t find it myself.

    [MORE]

    I ♥ YOU, CORONA-CHAN! desuuuuuuuuuuu~~

    • Replies: @utu
  322. @Ungrateful

    Daniel Chieh thinks it’s funny.

    [MORE]

    https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1974986/why-do-chinese-students-think-its-ok-cheat

    “In recent years, cheating has got so out of control that, three years ago, in the small town of Zhongxiang, Hubei ( 湖北 ), a group of gaokao invigilators found themselves under siege as enraged parents and students trapped them in their office and threw rocks at the windows, shouting, “We want fairness! Let us cheat!”

    It’s not just the gaokao – it’s the SAT, the GRE, and a whole host of other exams. An estimated 90 per cent of all recommendation letters for Chinese applicants to United States universities are fake. Some 70 per cent of application essays are not written by students, and 50 per cent of grades transcripts are falsified

    Once the students arrive on campus, more cheating services are available. Last month, Reuters published a devastating report on cheating by Chinese students in the US, finding a thriving black market which includes services to write essays, do the students’ homework, and take their exams. It seems you can now get a degree from an Ivy League school without ever leaving your house!

    By emphasising the destination rather than the journey, education gets reduced to a product, one which, like all other products, can be bought and sold, and, if need be, snatched. That’s what we’re seeing here: kids who fundamentally do not accept that cheating is wrong. And why should they when they do not view education for what it is, a chance to broaden one’s mind and learn new ways of thinking? Rather, they see it as a status label, something akin to a handbag.

    In March, Reuters reported that, since 2013, there have been at least eight occasions in which test materials were compromised, but the SAT went ahead and administered them anyway.

    Well Daniel.

    Now you’re seeing what happens when a culture of pandemic cheating is transposed to a culture of a pandemic bioweapon.

    Xang-Yi-Gi cheated or bribed his way into a position, created a bio-weapon on a team of westerners who trusted him and treated him as a friend and confidante, then he stole it, took it home, and almost certainly didn’t observe protocols. Maybe he was transporting a sample and had a car-crash. Maybe he left a window open for a millisecond. Maybe he didn’t change out his gloves on one occasion. Maybe he didn’t decontaminate after a day at the office. Or maybe he betrayed his people and decided he had been treated badly for some reason.

    The Chinese just treated a bio-weapon like it was a handbag. Like they do education and animals and human life.

    Because he came from a culture of cheating and make-believe and pretensions.

    How it is possible that Asians are permitted into western universities given those realities merely shows that they are working in tandem with other groups that have no sense of western loyalties either.

    This could kill 90% of the world’s population in 6-9 months

    If left unchecked. Maths is maths.

    If we do somehow contain this disaster, there are some policy considerations that will have to follow.

    The same as if we find out who else was connected to this sequence of events.

    Going forward, there needs to be a presumption of hostile intent and cheating on the part of all Asians in the West & their facilitators in the absence of individual audit and investigation.

    Once white people’s children and parents and siblings and friends start dying, which is going to happen with increasing ferocity in the next month, then a lot of people are going to find out the true state of social sentiment.

    There are going to be policy adjustments, one would imagine.

    It isn’t funny Daniel.

    I don’t think the Chinese people will think it’s funny when they realize what their leadership has done.

    Nor do I think westerners who are going to suffer very badly very soon are going to think it’s funny.

    Even if it gets contained, this is going to change the world.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Daniel Chieh
  323. iffen says:
    @Ungrateful

    Just how many of those billions of Chinese does Dan C. have to answer for?

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  324. @iffen

    Less than two. There are less than two billion of them.

    • Replies: @iffen
  325. @last straw

    The eventual number of deaths may be more like a doubly bad flu season than the Spanish Influenza.

    You can say almost anything, when you precede it with “may”. And of course, you may be entirely correct.

    But the Chinese response thus far suggests they anticipate something quite a bit more serious than that. Hopefully they’re just being prudently pessimistic in this matter. But I doubt it.

    • Replies: @last straw
  326. iffen says:
    @reiner Tor

    Really, from all the press that they get these days, I thought that there were many more. For some reason I thought it was 4 billion, hell, I’m going to quit worrying about what they are up to.

  327. @Anatoly Karlin

    All sorts of social factors like use of public transport, buying groceries in markets versus supermarkets, family size, courtyard or shared staircase dwellings against detached single family dwellings etc etc. 1.4 in China might fall below one. 2.8, a different question.

  328. @Ungrateful

    Weird psychotic rambles are hilarious.

    Corona-chan already blessing us.

    • Replies: @d dan
  329. d dan says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    “Weird psychotic rambles are hilarious.”

    Simply too many anti-China trolls here to take this thread seriously. Besides the usual trolls, notice how many new commenter names are created just for this article. They must be paid with overtime rate.

    • Agree: Dreadilk
    • Replies: @Ungrateful
    , @Daniel Chieh
  330. @d dan

    Sigh.

    You people are, or were, too stupid to handle the tools and capabilities you’ve stolen.

    I just hope I’m wrong and more hopeful people are right.

    If you have relatives in China, just see how many are left by, let’s say, end of April.

    If they’re still there, I’ll be heartily relieved.

    Enjoy, yellow men, what you have wrought.

    Ciao.

    E Buona Fortuna.

    Ne avrai biosogno.

    Bastardos.

    And us too.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  331. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    I based my comment on the R0 mentioned in the article, which was not much worse than the R0 for flu. Also, I had no idea that the infection might be contagious during the nonsypmtomatic incubation period. So yes, it could be bad, the R0 could be adjusted higher, and the mortality rate could be several times higher than the flu, which causes 80,000-100,000 deaths in China each year. We have to wait and see.

  332. @denk

    I dont believe in coincidence theory,
    The virus was planted at that seafood market precisely to implicate the Chinese Lab,.

    You could be onto something there – if not absolutely correct, going on the past track record of US and other western governments when it comes to doing evil underhand deeds. I wouldn’t put it past some western agent releasing a vial on that street while walking around wearing a surgical mask. They don’t call the USA the Great Satan for nothing.

    • Replies: @denk
  333. @Ungrateful

    You are right about what you say about the foreign races regarding incompetence, cheating, corruption, etc. but the whites are not much better, just better at covering their tracks. And since western propaganda reigns supreme it’s hard to know what the truth about events such as this is. But I wouldn’t mess with the Chinese – releasing a bioengineered deadly virus in one of the biggest cities smack in the middle of their overpopulated country – well we’ll have to wait and see what their response will be if they can prove it to themselves incontrovertibly that indeed it was a biowarfare attack by the Evil Empire. Even if it is proven to attack all races equally and wasn’t designed specifically to take out the yellow race, I still wouldn’t put it past some western agents of having released this deadly virus – there is little in their historical record to show that they care much for their own people.

    • Replies: @Quarantmean
  334. @sudden death

    …this virus is asymptomatic for a few days before the host falls ill. What this ultimately means is the response will be ineffective at stopping transmission of this virus worldwide.

    Everyone sure seems to think this is true, and it may very well be.

    But do we have any reason to assume this is beyond the rumor stage as yet?

    • Replies: @last straw
  335. If this is indeed biowarfare against PRC we’re in serious territory.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5005

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5231

    Readers, keep us updated!

  336. @Kevin O'Keeffe

    It depends on the R0 during the nonsymptomatic incubation period. If the R0 during this period is substantially lower than the R0 during the symptomatic period, then it still can be contained. Interestingly, it seems that the claim that the virus is contagious during the nonsymptomatic incubation period is based on a single case study. So we have no way to know for sure at this point.

    Scroll to the bottom to see the case report:
    https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-news-reports-that-the-china-coronavirus-may-spread-before-symptoms-show/

  337. @Ungrateful

    If you have relatives in China, just see how many are left by, let’s say, end of April.

    Yes, why don’t you bet some money on it?

    I just hope I’m wrong and more hopeful people are right.

    If only there were consequences for being as grotesquely wrong as you are.

  338. Mr. Smith,

    According to some sources those predicted mortality figures for late February have already been surpassed.

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5561

    Before the last ones check out they better enter the codes and press the buttons to give the world PRC’s version of the Samson Option. At least it would sterilise densely packed urban conurbations and give a chance to some rural dwellers to survive and rebuild.

  339. Whelp.

    Hundreds of Thousands of Chinese Fled Wuhan by ROAD as Quarantine Targeted Railways and Airports

    http://stateofthenation.co/?p=5800

  340. There was some speculation floating around that animals used in lab testing at Wuhan Institute of Virology appeared at some moment at that local wet market instead of being utilised properly due to corruption/incompetence/negligence mix. That may be quite believable as you don’t necessarily need some elaborate scenario of a biological warfare agent somehow escaping (or being deliberately released) from some top-secret government lab to explain this. Just something as simple as some idiot selling infected lab animals for a quick buck on the side. Of course, that infected idiot would deny that he had any link to the market 😉

  341. @d dan

    Its probably just a few people who feel a need to sockpuppet around. Attributing monetary gain to them is too hopeful; they’re just fulfilling a deep psychological itch to indulge their deep insecurity and scream textually.

  342. Anon 2 says:

    There are about 4 million Chinese in the United States. The numbers of the
    Japanese and Koreans are much smaller so instead of using the term ‘East
    Asian’ I’ll just say ‘Chinese.’ However, one of the key facts is that the total
    number of East Asians is still growing exponentially in the U.S., and probably
    in Canada and Australia as well. East Asians (except for the Japanese) are still
    trying to get out of their god-forsaken lands as fast as they can, and continue
    to inundate the West, causing a sense of threat among the beleaguered whites.

    Several facts:

    1. It’s well-known in the U.S. that the Chinese kids have been bullied for decades
    by the black (and to a lesser extent Hispanic) kids, more than any other group.
    This is now likely to increase;

    2. When Trump became president, the whites partly regained their self-confidence;

    3. Having lived in the U.S. for awhile, I can’t believe how quickly the official policy
    of the Trump administration and that of the New York Times has turned anti-Chinese.
    The U.S. has always been anti-Russian ever since Russia had turned communist in 1917
    so there is no change here. But the hostility toward China is new. Prior to the
    rapprochement with China under Nixon, China was largely ignored since it posed
    no direct threat to the U.S.;

    4. The outbreak of the coronavirus is likely to intensify the hostility toward China
    even more. As whites are regaining their self-confidence and realizing that they
    are in danger of replacement, they (and blacks) are behaving with growing violence
    toward the Jews. The same is likely to happen with respect to the Chinese, for
    at least two reasons, (a) The Chinese obviously stand out for racial reasons,
    (b) The numbers of East Asians can easily grow to 20-30 million in the U.S.,
    thus displacing whites from the best upper-middle class and middle-class jobs.
    The subcontinentals, who are also inundating the U.S., are not helping, and are
    another threat. No wonder that whites are responding with hostility – they are
    in immediate danger of being displaced from the best jobs in the U.S. – jobs
    in academia, movies, television, major newspapers, publishing, advertising,
    think tanks, Wall Street, and even politics, etc. This can really hurt.

  343. Anon 2 says:
    @Anon 2

    Some readers I’m sure realized that I’m talking about Peter Turchin’s Overproduction
    of Elites, and how it brings disorder and may even contribute to revolutions. There is
    a sense of growing chaos in the U.S. that didn’t exist prior to the Great Recession of
    2007-8, and one of the contributing factors is that America is being flooded by Asians
    who instantly want jobs at upper-middle class and middle-class levels thus displacing
    whites from the best jobs and leading to their pauperization. True, whites are now
    escaping from the Asians and Latins to Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, and Utah but
    that’s not going to solve the problem as the number of Asians in the U.S. is
    growing exponentially. Growing numbers of whites are also responding with suicide,
    deaths of despair, mental illness, and homelessness. Immigration moratorium
    would help but that’s not likely to happen although Trump apparently managed
    to reduce legal immigration from 1 million a year to 0.6 million by basically throwing
    sand into the machinery, which drastically reduced chain migration. Some whites,
    however, as I said before, are going to respond with growing violence. That’s how
    societies work. There is very little we can do about it.

  344. Too much to read through here.

    Can someone tell what the TUR amateur epidemiologist consensus is from 1 to 10?

    1 being Y2K bug nothingburger

    10 being We’re all gonna die (thanks a lot, filthy chinks)

    • Replies: @anonbruhh
  345. @Commentator Mike

    You don’t get it do you.

    China was developing a bioweapon designed to Target Europeans and non Han populations.

    They’ve been spending years now stealing as much genetic data as they can, or buying it from related entities interested in their governing political and commerical models.

    They stole millions of samples from the US Dept of Health and Human Services, from Austalia, and they own samples via parent companies or have contracts with genetic sequencing companies like 23 and me. Working with our good friends in Israel and the diaspora more so.

    [MORE]

    They fucked up. Monumentally. They’ve been fucking up since the mid years of the Soviet Union. They are not capable of running Biowarfare protocols.

    Their bioweapon wasn’t quite ready. That’s the only reason it ‘might’ not kill everyone. For example, it doesn’t have measles structures it would appear.

    It just targets Asians? Look at this.

    https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/deputy-dies-complications-flu-5-other-georgians-die-illness-one-week/SMW6EZZQSZE2XGYZ2PX5JRFOMU/

    It’s already started. 6 US young people die of the Flu in Georgia in a week.

    If the Chinese attack the West for their own catastrophe then everything is forfeit.

    They accuse us of what they were doing. They’ve learned from their Jewish handlers and contacts.

    If the Chinese attack the West for their own crime against humanity there won’t be any Chinese left in the West. And the world will end.

    They can work with people to save the world, or they can act on the basis of lies and be totally destroyed along with everyone and everything else.

    What’s more likely is that Chinese cadres have been working with the Western Deep State as part of the cult to reduce the world’s population in accord with the Georgia Guidestones. Look at who is active in China. They were the designated financial substitute centre.

    But whats far more likely is the human error in execution of their planned Biowarfare operation destined to circumvent space inferiority.

    The same as all the other ones they’ve committed since the first days of the Cold War.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/04/05/world/soviet-defector-says-china-had-accident-at-a-germ-plant.html

    Like this one.

    Or when they created HRFS

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962441

    No United States President would authorised that kind of attack precisely because of retaliation. Exactly the same as nuclear warfare.

    It would only be a third party false flag, but here it was the Chinese themselves.

    These are not super geniuses we are talking about. They fucked up, and this bioagent has been active since December, probably even November.

    It’s their Chernobyl. The sooner they are honest, the better for everyone.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  346. Znzn says:
    @songbird

    So why can’t/won’t the blog author just ban them, should be a very simple thing to do.

  347. @Znzn

    24% mortality rate. Which is way understated because these are first wave receiving full spectrum medical care.

    China is a tomb. Apartment buildings full of corpses. And the fucking bugs are buying all the medical supplies in the West to hoard or send home.

    [MORE]

    Those are death sentences to westerners. We need our own masks. We need our own antibiotics. We need our own santitiser. And our own bleach. These swine buy every product in the store to sell at write ups back to the children they’ve put at risk.

    They engineer a bioweapon, then buy all the mitigating measures. There is nothing left in our pharmacies and hardware stores.

    Tick tick tick tock until Chinese are banned from buying any strategic supplies.

    I wonder if the bugs were so irrevocably retarded that they didn’t engineer a parallel antigen alongside?

    I wonder how long they’re going to pretend they don’t have one? Because if they do release it, it will show the whole world they released a bioweapon.

    They probably didn’t create one. These are Chinese. Incompetent cheating lying swine.

    But if they did, if they don’t release it, they renounce for all time, any so called pretensions to moral authority.

    They fucked up. Time to come clean. Before this goes further down the logic Cascade.

    • Replies: @Quarantmean
  348. @Quarantmean

    [MORE]

    The Chinese need to confirm what everybody already knows so that the bugs can be removed from western shores and barred at the borders.

    Absent this clarification and disclosure the only logical conclusion is that China is conducting bio warfare against western nations via the diffusion of infected citizens amongst western populations.

    If this continues western nations that aren’t run by active collaborators in this genocide will have no choice but to eliminate the epicentre.

    This curve is going exponential and Japan has just confirmed non Wuhan origin P2P transmission.

    Thailand jumped from 6 to 15. Next jump to 40.

    There should be a total ban on all Chinese penetration outside the mainland until the fucking bugs confirm their bioweapon and make admission on the existence or non existence of an antigen or an antidote.

    Additionally, any international body associated with China that does not pursue immediately these answers and declare an international health emergency should be regarded as complicit in a crime against humanity. All diplomatic rights suspended.

    This is a tragicomedy. If I was a Chinese policy maker I’d be honest, for the first time in my little life, because the longer the lies are maintained and western nations and citizens put at risk, the worse the outcomes and the lesser scope for appropriate responses and contingencies.

    If the Chinese strategy is now mutual destruction there is only one way to prevent the reciprocal mutuality they seek to attain.

    Tick tock tick tock tick tock.

    Be honest China. The world isn’t going to die with you.

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  349. @Anon 2

    As whites are regaining their self-confidence and realizing that they are in danger of replacement, they (and blacks) are behaving with growing violence toward the Jews.

    Bingo! And who would have the greatest interest to divert this hate and violence towards some other ethnic group, by means of deception, such as bioterrorism? You can tell even by the reactions from posters at this supposedly anti-Semitic site, the UR. All you can do now is hope and pray that those emergency workers do not lose their humanity and are ready to shoot without blinking anyone trying to get through the cordon sanitaire as well as those who need to press the nuclear buttons and at least save some of the human race in remote areas. That is if this is the big one. Otherwise – next time.

    • Replies: @Don't worry
  350. zogborg says:
    @Anon 2

    Then all whites should get the fuck out of Asia. Too many degenerate whites living in Asia taking advantage, the kind of people who should be run over by a car and left to rot on the street. Don’t forget the military bases.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
  351. @Commentator Mike

    Who was giving the Chinese western populations genetic data? The Jews.

    Who moved the US industrial base to China? The Jews.

    Who gave China the Port of Haifa and selective access to their back door infrastructure on US government and private sector and military days? The Jews, and Israel.

    Who has forced policies on globalism and ‘Chimerica’ now subject to the same Chimera virus that makes our economic and human fate linked? The Jews.

    Who has control over international bodies with bottleneck nodes in these issues? The Jews, and their Masonic friends.

    Who was collaborating with China to adopt their social surveillance apparatus and bring it into the West? Dark cadres in the intelligence services who Trump is fighting, many of whom are Jews.

    Who are the Neocons who have forced policy against Russia when China was always the threat? The Jews. The Neocon Jews.

    Who owns or at least pretends to own the major companies that have sucked up US population data and given it to China? Jews in the Cabal, and a few Masons.

    Who has allowed Chinese national penetration into every facet of US strategic resources? The Jews. Chinese contractors like the Awans from Pakistan with root accesses. Who else has those? Whitney Webb has written about it.

    The Jews are China in this scenario.

    I am not anti semitic. But if I was a Jew, I’d be praying to Satan and Yahweh and Moloch and whoever the fuck else they worship that white children don’t start dying in the next few months. And Jewish children too. And everybodies children.

    I wouldn’t ever suggest violence, because I’m not a sadist and I just want this to stop and everyone Chinese or otherwise to be safe.

    But if Jews think for one moment that they can somehow delink themselves from this event. That would be a mistake I think.

    I wonder who allowed a Chinese operative into a Canadian biotech lab? Who gave the functionality demonstration study ethical clearance? Why was human transmission being obtained for a SARs virus in the first place? Who got a pay off and knew who the Chinese agent was? How did he get back to Wuhan?

    I hope the Jews use their big brains and positive energy to stop this getting worse. The West really needs the Jews to save themselves and everybody else now.

    • Replies: @zogborg
    , @iffen
    , @Daniel Chieh
  352. zogborg says:
    @Don't worry

    Haha who are you trying to fool? Everything you wrote would have you tagged as anti-Semitic anyway, because anybody who doesn’t kiss Jewish ass is anti-Semitic. By the way Trump is not fighting them, he is their puppet. And you know damn well the kikes have no positive energy…

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  353. LOL LOL LOL !!!

    Europeans and Americans cannot even operate a national border properly, and biocarriers of all sorts of diseases, including inevitably HIV and whatever else, known and unknown, from the African subcontinent and elsewhere, have been crossing into their countries in their multitudes with no checks or controls, or quarantines, let alone operate a cordon sanitaire of the type required to contain this pandemic. I give the Chinese better odds of surviving these biowars even though they may have come under first attack.

    • Replies: @zogborg
  354. zogborg says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Niggers will be the downfall of Western nations. You can thank all the liberal nigger-worshipping faggots.

  355. iffen says:
    @Don't worry

    It’s a protected source, but reliable, and it reports that Ashkennazi Jews have a natural immunity to the Corona virus that is about 95% effective. It seems to derive from the fact that most of them have two copies of the manischewitz allele.

  356. @zogborg

    He is “Don’t worry” so obviously doesn’t care about being tagged by anybody for anything.

  357. Some more from Hal Turner:

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/coronavirus-in-china-20-million-quarantined-2-8-million-infected-112-000-dead

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/urgent-china-gov-t-admits-virus-cannot-be-contained

    Anyway, if this is all unnecessary fear-mongering and it turns out to be not as bad as predicted, and even if China loses a lot of money and the economy suffers due to the shut-down in productivity (but it’s holiday season over there so many schools and workplaces would have been closed anyway – other sectors like entertainment and travel industry would be the biggest temporary losers), it would have learned a lot in managing emergency response on a massive scale, probably the biggest ever in the world so far, and this can only be useful in the future, especially for dealing with bioterrorist and biowarfare attacks to come. Perhaps others could learn something from China’s admirable effort in enforcing quarantine, as lessons learned could also be used to quarantine entire nations and seal porous borders, especially if faced with the potential influx of living vectors of disease, and even contagious suicide bioterrorists sent to infiltrate countries disguised as tourists, immigrants, or refugees, after contracting infectious diseases either inadvertently or voluntarily. The walking bioterrorist may supersede one equipped with an explosive vest or an AK. You’ve been warned. Sure this could also be used by ZOG and NWO to deal with public unrest but then you can’t have it all, knowledge gained can be used for different purposes.

    As HJ Richards in US asks in one of the threads below those articles:

    “When the hell is our government going to lock down the country?”

    The motto of an efficient and effective cordon sanitaire should be “not one gets through”. I wonder if your border guards and coast guards know this, America and Europe, or are they clueless about the biohazards of open borders? It seems like PRC is prepared. Are you?

    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  358. @zogborg

    So your plan to stop the pandemic is to leave bodies rotting in the streets? I really like this fresh out of the box thinking!

    • Replies: @zogborg
  359. zogborg says:
    @Ozymandias

    You obviously have no reading comprehension skills or sense of context.

  360. denk says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I wouldn’t put it past some western agent releasing a vial on that street while walking around wearing a surgical mask. They don’t call the USA the Great Satan for nothing.

    Absolutely !

    murikka is a mad house,
    worse still,
    the inmates have taken over the asylum,
    IM not only talking about the Cesspool in Washington,
    look at the comment sections these days,
    never mind the MSM !

    • Agree: LD
  361. denk says:

    murkkan lunatics..

    [MORE]

    ‘China has always been a threat’

    Empire watch rule 1
    [[[they]]] always accuse others of what they’ve been doing on an industrial scale

    Proof

    IMagine, the cheek of it, building their country smack dab in our bases !

    ———————-

    ‘China poison its own people’

    [Rings a bell eh ?
    xxx poisoned his own people,
    Iraq, Libya, ex Yugo, Syria, Iran,,……….]

    Empire watch rule 1
    [[[they]]] always accuse others of what they’ve been doing on an industrial scale.

    Proof.

    How the govn poison its own people 293 times,
    [These are just the declassified ones mind you]

    It all began in late September of 1950, when over a few days, a Navy vessel used giant hoses to spray a fog of two kinds of bacteria, Serratia marcescens and Bacillus globigii — both believed at the time to be harmless — out into the fog, where they disappeared and spread over the city.

    The unsuspecting residents of San Francisco certainly could not consent to the military’s germ warfare test, and there’s good evidence that it could have caused the death of at least one resident of the city, Edward Nevin, and hospitalized 10 others.

    Over the next 20 years, the military would conduct 239 “germ warfare” tests over populated areas, according to news reports from the 1970s.

    These tests included the large-scale releases of bacteria in the New York City subway system, on the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and in National Airport just outside Washington, D.C.

    So it only took five years after the end of World War II for the U.S. to break the Nuremberg code. Can you even begin to imagine what it is willing to do in 2020 with the current crop of mindbogglingly unethical, corrupt politicians in power?

    https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/07/10/conspiracy-fact-how-the-government-conducted-293-secret-bioweapon-experiments-on-the-american-people/

    ‘China wanna poison the whiteys’

    Empire watch rule 1
    [[[they]]] always accuse others of what they’ve been doing on an industrial scale.

    Proof
    murkkan bio/chemical warfare are well documented…..
    Agent orange in Nam,./Laos
    DU in Iraq, ex Yugo,
    Swine flu in Cuba/China,
    bird flu in China,
    Dengue virus in Cuba. , Nicaragua, Pakistan
    and……….EVEN ON MURKKANS !
    LSD in France,
    bubonic plague, hemorrhagic fever and other highly contagious diseases on villages and fields in rural North Korea and China.

    ‘*They released the virus deliberately against their own people as a patsy for their slowing economy and a way to kill-off a percentage of their social welfare recipients and/or they developed a bio-weapon to be used against Taiwan and Hong Kong that is a chimera virus, and instead they accidentally deployed it against their own Chinese people*.

    See what I mean,

    ‘China deliberately poison its own people by accident’ !

    the crazies are getting more and more incoherent.
    Time to take their med.

    hehhehe

  362. @Commentator Mike

    I do think that there’s a nontrivial chance that this was a terrible accident, but I highly doubt it’ll manifest to anything too serious beyond giving the government an exercise to demonstrate authoritarian control over illness.

    An American origin for the virus seems unlikely though I do agree that a flu targeted at crops or farm animals would be what a rival government could seemingly do since its well below the level of actual retaliation-permitted aggression but can cause significant economic damage.

  363. @Don't worry

    I like this vast Jewish-Chinese-Mason villainous organization in your story. When will they merge with the Illuminati? Are there dark cadres in the Templars working with the secretive Tongs?

    Perhaps all of the focus on technology is only a prelude to the rise of Helios.

    I don’t mind that timeline but I want hot gothic Eliza Cassan reporting on the end of the world first. She can be an ashkenazi Chinese creation, too.

  364. denk says:

    [MORE]

    wArning !
    Not for the crazies and idiots,
    ONly those with stout heart and a working brain !

    So it only took five years after the end of World War II for the U.S. to break the Nuremberg code. Can you even begin to imagine what it is willing to do in 2020 with the current crop of mindbogglingly unethical, corrupt politicians in power?

    https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2015/07/10/conspiracy-fact-how-the-government-conducted-293-secret-bioweapon-experiments-on-the-american-people/

    we appear to be cresting on a deliberately engineered attack, under the guise of a circumstantial pandemic, which has the potential of killing untold millions of people.

    The fact that the delivery systems which have been identified are domestic, indicates that the United States is planning to attack selected segments of its own population. Saddam Hussein was hanged for a purported attack on his own people, the infamous gassing of the Kurds. Is the United States now so powerful that no one will attempt to put a stop to this?

    https://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html
    —————

    Should the U.S. intend to launch a global pandemic for the purposes of population reduction and/or genocide, what better mechanism than to plant a bug in a faraway country, to obscure the genesis of the initiating event and to make this appear as if this were out of the U.S.’s control and jurisdiction?

    The fact that several selective delivery systems for biological/chemical warfare have already been documented within the borders of the United States adds credence to the perception that a flu planted in another country could be used as a cover for a selective devastation of certain demographic groups within the First World. The declaration of a global pandemic gives the WHO the power to mandate vaccinations, overriding sovereign national law concerning the right of refusal.

    Vaccines, imposter pharmaceuticals, the double line water system — any and all of these mechanisms could be used to launch a bio/chem attack under the cover of a global pandemic.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

    —————————-

    We’ve been warned……..

    CHINA WILL CATCH A COLD

    Why would any sane person publish details about how to weaponize bird flu? We are not dealing with sane people.

    We are dealing with people infected by the blasphemous reality of the mentally ill: Satanism. We are dealing with Illuminists-Satanists who are out to execute their agenda for depopulation, genocide, fomenting chaos, diseases, deaths, violence …. to initiate hell on earth … to prepare the way for their fake messiah, the Anti-Christ, the bringer of false peace, the white horseman of Revelation 6. They want to use bio-weapons and even race specific Bird Flu in this coming Satanic World War 3.

    This act of publishing the detail how-to of airborne transmissible virulent Bird Flu is just for plausible deniability before the western Illuminati employs it. They will say it is an act of rogue terrorists and nothing to do with their MIC.

    Page 72 of PNAC (Project for New American Century) Report And advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

    Ex. British Military: The Illuminati Plans World War 3 in 18 – 24 Months!
    China will catch a Cold … During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, “China will catch a cold”. Biological warfare will spread further, to the west.

    Infrastructure will be critically weakened. This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the “real” war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.

  365. @Spisarevski

    At the dawn of the Year of the Rat
    The Han must all understand that
    Their love for ye wei
    Means there’s karma to pay
    When they eat of the snake or the bat.

  366. [MORE]

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/harvard-s-chemistry-chair-charged-allegedly-lying-about-china-contract-n1124646

    Mr Lieber Jewish Chemistry Chair at Harvard has been arrested for work he performed and lied about for the Wuhan bio weapons program.

    Just the first no doubt of many Jews.

    There you are.

    If Chinese military intelligence want to know who is responsible for their predicament apart from their own government, they can look to the Jews like Mr Lieber.

    All the Liberals and Jews in the United States academy who hate America and hate China and would happily see the people of both genocided by their work. They hate working class white deplorables almost as much as they hate Jesus. And they hate Chinese peasants as well.

    Mr Lieber did not disclose to US authorities that he was receiving cash from the CCP for being a part of their Thousands Talents program. Whilst having access to US Intel. And working for ‘the’ Wuhan Research Centre.

    How many more Jews have been involved in this? Mr Lieber will no doubt disclose some of them.

    Very very many.

    The Chinese affected by this in the United States should take note.

    The Thousand Talents program tries to recruit experts from Western universities to work in China and ramp up its progress in science and technology. In a complaint, the FBI said the program has “rewarded individuals for stealing proprietary information and violating export controls.”

    The charging documents, unsealed Tuesday, allege that under the Thousand Talents contract Lieber was paid $50,000 in monthly salary by China’s Wuhan University of Technology and another $158,000 in living expenses. He was also awarded some $1.74 million to set up a research lab there

    Yanqing Ye, an alleged lieutenant in the People’s Liberation Army, conducted research for China’s National University of Defense Technology while she attended BU from October 2017 to April 2019, prosecutors say.

    She is also charged with granting a military researcher in China access to her BU virtual private network login so the researcher could conduct web searches from overseas without detection. She is said to have left the country before charges could be unsealed.

    So who holds senior positions in the Liberal Academy and has been working with China?

    Doesn’t Australia have lots of Confucius Institutes as well? What ethnicity has a strangle hold on their Academy? The United Kingdom? It’s starting to look like the same people who made up the Russia Collusion and Ukraine false narratives. Isn’t it. What other foreign Nationals have been involved in weapons programs? Lieber will be disclosing.

    Yeah, it’s totally a conspiracy theory.

    Jews and and Chinese. What a pity that China has shut down travel and soon the US will as well because it will have no choice. There won’t be anywhere to run.

    So if I’m angry and I’m Chinese or white and my whole family is dead. I’d be looking at this and pondering attribution.

    It wasn’t ‘America’ was it.

    Maybe if Mr Lieber doesn’t say what he knows he will be handed over to the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Finkelwong
  367. @Finkelwong

    Maybe it will be okay.

    Maybe the swamp part of the FBI will get to Lieber first. Give him a way out or he’ll be Epsteined. Save Israel and save the rest of the network.

    Or maybe China will decide to liquidate the network that now has them compromised of Jews and Liberal Academy and DNC operatives and Masons.

    But it’s probably no point since everyone knows what has happened.

    Or maybe the swamp won’t get to Lieber and he talks.

    Will be interesting. Let’s see what happens to Lieber.

    Those poor Chinese in Wuhan and Hubei etc and those Americans dying like flies in Georgia and now San Francisco and Los Angeles etc don’t and didn’t deserve this.

  368. WORRIED says:

    I LOVE YOU CORONA-CHAN!

    I really hope this ain’t turn out poorly. I respect the PRC, I dont want to die, and the status quo ain’t that bad right about now! No need for a shakeup.

  369. Dreadilk says:
    @Znzn

    Too many easy to circumvent.

  370. @Znzn

    Maybe RU wants to identify who and from where these flash in the pan trolls are posting from. There are the resident Sinophobes on the site, but who are this new lot?

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  371. Warning says:

    200 flights left Wuhan today.
    https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-tracker/departures/WUH/?date=27&hour=18&month=1&year=2020

    1825 left Beijing China.
    https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-tracker/departures/PEK/?date=27&hour=18&month=1&year=2020

    This is not containment or quarantine.

    Passenger screening is forehead temperature, which won’t screen the 3-14 day incubators with no symptoms or the estimated 3-5% who are infectious carriers and asymptomatic.

    “The mean estimate of R0 for the 2019-nCoV ranges from 3.30 (95%CI: 2.73-3.96) to 5.47 (95%CI: 4.16-7.10), and significantly larger than 1.”
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.916395v1
    With the 3.3 R0 extrapolate 1.8 million cases by Feb. 1st.
    Even a very conservative R0 of 2 or somewhat effective screening measures should still arrive at an estimate of about 1 million infected by early Feb.

    So far the estimated 2-3% death rate is in the context of many receiving care. It does not factor in an eventual overwhelmed medical system, unreported or underreported casualties, or viral mutations that may effect its virulence or symptoms. Unexpected outbreaks in various locations…

    The latency of symptoms makes this virus dangerous.
    There can easily be a widespread outbreak that would go undetected for days or even weeks.

    The big question in how this scenario will play out is the response of authorities. WCV is perhaps equivalent to a novel flu, which has a death rate @ 10-12% among infants, elderly and imuno-compromised. We all live that risk daily. Coronavirus has certain dangers of mutation and novel non-immunity that elevate concern. Outcome hinges on how this gets handled. Weighing the economic primary effects (trade, market volatility) and secondary effects (quarantines, supply chain disruptions, work stoppages, closures, panic, unrest, etc) against public health and safety, will determine the real consequences.
    I agree with the informed speculation that this will be a tool used to advance global hegemony amidst vast human suffering.
    Hopefully it will be contained and just another SARS, MERS limited epidemic. So far it doesn’t look good.

  372. Passenger screening is forehead temperature, which won’t screen the 3-14 day incubators with no symptoms or the estimated 3-5% who are infectious carriers and asymptomatic.

    Where did you get this 3-5% number? So far there might be 2 confirmed cases of asymptomatic transmission, one in China and another in Germany. Could an accurate estimate be made with a sample size of 2?

  373. denk says:

    At first I didnt take notice,
    Now my interest is really piqued, I went back to itsokay coment…

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/cant-quarantine-the-corona-chan/#comment-3680260

    And the Chinese haven’t been buying DNA sets from 23 and me? Or just stealing them alongside millions of records from the US Department of Health and Human Services? Or getting it all from Israel’s backdoors?

    https://news.yahoo.com/union-says-federal-workers-fell-victim-hackers-071851098–politics.html

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sheerafrenkel/federal-employees-describe-collective-panic-after-massive-ha#.lp4q6WR6K
    —————————–

    I check up on whats with ’23 and me’ blah blah blah.

    Turns out its about a Chinese biotech firm which’s involved in genetic research, for the purpose such as eugenics [make Chinese kid smarter] and probable resistance to decease like HIV.

    Nothing nefarious there.

    The other links claimed that many murkkans health record were hacked, they were advised to tighten up their security measure .

    Nowhere did I find evidence about
    ‘Chinese stealing millions of merkkan DNA’ !!!

    ————–

    Now regarding why so many believe SARS
    was a biowarfare……

    To recap,
    IN the 90’s, merkkan took lots of DNA in China,
    in the name of joint medical research.
    Jp companies also collaborated with the proj,
    requiring their employees to do their blood test in house.

    [[[they]]] actually advertised their ‘race specific bioweapon’ program in PNAC,

    80 microbiologists died/suicide./murderd in bet 2001 up to 2005, many were ‘race specific bioweapon specialists’

    SARS hit mainland China, HK, Singapore, SEA, Toronto [where all victims were apparently Chinese].

    Russian scientists claimed SARS virus were artificially composed in lab.

    NO smoking gun mind you,

    but Lets put it this way,
    I’d be damned if SARS wasnt a race specific bioweapon.

    —————-
    Re the Lieber story,
    Its getting very murky innit, makes me wonder about the depth of the real plot.

    So much conspiracies, so little time.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  374. denk says:

    Where’s Karl ?
    The guy who seems to be embedded with the USN, says he’s on drinking term with the pilots of P8 spy plane based in Singapore,.

    Hey Karl, are you still lurking ?
    Care to tell us why that P8 has been flying like crazy these days, it’s been prowling for at least several years but its seems to be on steroid now !
    By now I guess the USN knows the topology of SCS like the palm of their hands, even better than China !

    SCS seems to be heating up lately, first with
    skirmishes bet VN and China, now even hitherto neutral Indonesia has joined in the fray.

    Is something big coming up soon Karl,
    I understand all options are on the table ????

  375. @denk

    Denk,

    Looking at that millennium report it seems most of those scientists were working on anti-bioterror type projects, studying viruses and developing vaccines. They didn’t seem to be involved in developing biowarfare agents. Is that correct? In that case it would be intelligence agencies bumping them off to prevent them from protecting the public from bioweapons created in secret military laboratories to reduce global population.

    Or were they the ones actually developing race-specific bioweapons and therefore targetted by some secret organisation, like say the Triads, working independently or with Chinese intelligence, who got wind of the biogenocidal plans against the Chinese? I’m not clear what’s going on here but it seems unlikely all those scientists just died random deaths considering who they were. I see a few of the dead are Asian but that can mean anything, they could be working for money against their own race, or maybe they wanted to whistleblow and were silenced. Strange goings on.

    • Replies: @denk
  376. Warning says:

    @ last straw

    –“Where did you get this 3-5% number?”

    Best estimate.

    “Notably, patient 1 or patient 3 who had visited Wuhan hospital might have been infectious before symptom onset because patient 5 was shedding virus without symptoms. These findings suggested that person-to-person transmission and intercity spread of 2019-nCoV by air travel are possible, supporting reports of infected Chinese travellers from Wuhan being detected in other geographical regions.”
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext#fig3

    1 in 7 showed no symptoms “was shedding virus with no symptoms”.
    In that small sample 14% showed no symptoms but was a carrier.
    2 asymptomatic reported so far that have been tested. But how many that may have been exposed, show no symptoms, have been tested?

    “For example, estimates of the population-level prevalence of influenza carriage range from 5 to 35% [1]. For Ebola virus, 27–71% of all infections are estimated to be asymptomatic [2,3]”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5830799/

    “Most diseases have a spectrum of illness, ranging sometimes from asymptomatic infection — symptom free — to very severe disease and death. But some diseases tend to tilt toward one end of the spectrum.”
    https://www.statnews.com/2020/01/28/the-coronavirus-questions-that-scientists-are-racing-to-answer/

    3-5% asymptomatic carriers is a very conservative estimate. Best estimate from the reports and information available. Could be higher, doubt its lower.

  377. Yee says:

    denk,

    Anything you can think of, you can bet the US has people working on it. The US have used bio-weapon before, in the Korea War. Dropped planeloads of desease-carrying incests into China. In the dead of winter. So we know those incests weren’t local.

    The US has been run by some very evil people.

    • Replies: @denk
  378. denk says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Take a look at some of my previous post…

    Gene manipulation and DNA sequencing.

    A PATTERN?

    The DNA sequencing work by several of the microbiologists discussed earlier is aimed at developing drugs that will fight pathogens based on the pathogen’s genetic profile. The work is also aimed at eventually developing drugs that will work in cooperation with a person’s genetic makeup. Theoretically, a drug could be developed for one specific person. That being the case, it’s obvious that one could go down the ladder, and a drug could be developed to effectively treat a much broader class of people sharing a genetic marker. The entire process can also be turned around to develop a pathogen that will affect a broad class of people sharing a genetic marker. A broad class of people sharing a genetic marker could be a group such as a race, or people with brown eyes.

    https://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=190

    Over the past few weeks several world-acclaimed scientific researchers specializing in infectious diseases and biological agents such as Anthrax, as well as DNA sequencing, have been found dead or have gone missing.

    First, on Novemeber 12th, was Dr. Benito Que, a cell biologist working on infectious diseases like HIV, who was found dead outside his laboratory at the Miami Medical School. Police say his death was possibly the result of a mugging. The Miami Herald reported that:

    https://rense.com/general18/five.htm

    July 18, 2003 – Dr. David Kelly, 59

    — Expertise: A biological warfare weapons specialist who held a senior post at Britain’s Ministry of Defense, he was an expert on DNA sequencing and was head of microbiology at Porton Down. He aided Vladimir Pasechnik in founding Regma Biotechnologies, which has a contract with the U.S. Navy for “the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax.” Kelly had worked with two American scientists, Benito Que and Don Wiley, both of who are listed here as strange deaths.

    — Circumstance of Death: He was found dead after seemingly slashing his wrist in a wooded area near his home at Southmoor, Oxfordshire.

    https://rense.com/general96/deadmicro.html
    ——————–
    Dr Pasechnik was heavily involved in DNA sequencing research, reportedly died of stroke

    Don Wiley, age 57. Vanished: December 16, 2001. Molecular Biologist with Howard Hughes Medical Institute, Harvard University, top Deadly Contagious Virus expert, abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, TN. He was heavily involved in research on DNA sequencing,

    Van Nguyen, age 44. Died: December 14, 2001. Found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia. The room was full of deadly gas which had leaked from a liquid nitrogen cooling system. Room was vented. Working on a vaccine to protect against biological weapons, or a weapon itself. In January, 2001, the magazine Nature published information that two scientists, Dr. Ron Jackson and Dr. Ian Ramshaw, using genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing, had created an incredibly virulent form of mousepox, a cousin of smallpox and Dr. Nguyen had worked for 15 years at the same Australian facility. Now for the intriguing part of this story. On Friday, November 2nd, the Washington Post reported: “Officials are now scrambling to determine how a quiet, 61-year-old Vietnamese immigrant, riding the subway each day to and from her job in a hospital stockroom, was exposed to the deadly anthrax spores that killed her this week. They worry because there is no obvious connection to the factors common to earlier anthrax exposures and deaths: no clear link to the mail or to the media.

    Dr. David Schwartz , age 57. Died: December 10, 2001. Murdered by stabbing with what appeared to be a sword in rural home Loudon County, Virginia. His daughter, who identifies herself as a pagan high priestess, and three of her fellow pagans have been charged. He was extremely well respected in biophysics, and regarded as an authority on DNA sequencing. Three teens that were into the occult were charged with murder in the slashing death.

    Dr. Roger’ Died: Summer 2003. ‘Roger’ was pseudonym for this genetics scientist. He was 17 and lived in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 when the unexplained object crashed. He told a woman he worked with in 1977 named ‘Kate’ while employed by the Navy, who he helped to clean up the crash site of the 1947 UFO. He subsequently went to work for the government at this young age and ended up a geneticist working in China Lake for the Navy. Although he lived in fear and hiding soon after he told his story to Kate, he retired in late 1990s or early 2000’s and she saw him again once in early 2002 in San Diego. He told her she was in danger to talk to him and he left the store. In 2003 she received a phone call from his ‘friend’ who said he had been executed in his retirement home in Connecticut. The body had been removed by a black government looking vehicle. The home had been cleaned up and the body removed without any public notices of his death or existence. Many disfigured and abnormal animals were found in the desert near Groom Lake during his time there and after. Kate thought he might have been doing this gruesome experimental work.

    Mostow, age 63. Died: March 25, 2002. One of the country’s leading infectious disease and bioterrorism experts and was associate dean at the University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. He died in a plane crash near Centennial Airport. He was known as “Dr. Flu” for his expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow was one of the country’s leading infectious disease experts.

    David Banks, age 55. Died: May 8, 2005. Banks, based in North Queensland, died in an airplane crash, along with 14 others. He was known as an Agro Genius inventing the mosquito trap used for cattle. Banks was the principal scientist with quarantine authority, Biosecurity Australia, and heavily involved in protecting Australians from unwanted diseases and pests. Most of Dr Banks’ work involved preventing potentially devastating diseases making their way into Australia. He had been through Indonesia looking at the potential for foot and mouth disease to spread through the archipelago and into Australia. Other diseases he had fought to keep out of Australian livestock herds and fruit orchards

    http://tapnewswire.com/2016/02/list-of-over-100-dead-microbiologists/

    Most others are specialists in virus research, bioterrorism, infectious decease…………officially to defend against attack , but these are all ‘dual use’ tools , the knowledge could be turned to offensive at the turn of a switch.

    Remember the swine flu in Cuba, China,
    dengue in Cuba, Nicaragua, Pakistan, which all blamed on the USA for good reason.

    I mean since when has USA been fighting a defensive war ???????

  379. denk says:
    @Yee

    Let this sink in….

    We are not dealing with sane people. We are dealing with people infected by the blasphemous reality of the mentally ill: Satanism. We are dealing with Illuminists-Satanists who are out to execute their agenda for depopulation, genocide, fomenting chaos, diseases, deaths, violence …. to initiate hell on earth … to prepare the way for their fake messiah, the Anti-Christ, the bringer of false peace, the white horseman of Revelation 6. They want to use bio-weapons and even race specific Bird Flu in this coming Satanic World War 3.

  380. Isn’t the Coronavirus scare another psyop to manipulate the masses(The Hegelian dialectic)-problem,reaction, solution . There have been a number of articles describing corruption at the CDC and WHO , can these institutions be trusted ?I saw a representative of the CDC on TV using the Coronavirus outbreak as a way of touting the almost worthless flu vaccine . According to some reports the CDC owns patents for certain vaccines and profits through its foundation . Johnson & Johnson is said to be about to profit from a vaccine it has developed to counter the Coronavirus. See:

    activistpost.com ” Johnson&Johnson advised Coronavirus simulation and now stands to gain financially from a new vaccine.”

  381. Smith says:

    259 dead now, but it’s slowing down compared to the estimation (should be around around 500 by now).

    Perhaps this is the end?

  382. As of 2/1/2020, 304 dead and 347 cured. The cured outnumbered the dead for the first time.

  383. Tgmy says:

    We can certainly count on the official Chinese stats, eh? We in the U.S. have 4000-8000 influenza deaths reported annually. Yet China only reports 40-50 deaths in influenza cases with a population more than 3 times larger and with lower levels of medical care? Chinese stats are ALL political in concert with Communistic dialectic methodology. So, even based on their stats the epidemic has already gone exponential but probably moreso. I have no doubts more deaths are being disguised as ordinary pneumonia and other causes. Their new massive “hospital” will soon house many cases. But it is not really a hospital.

    • Replies: @last straw
  384. Chinaman says:

    I don’t think it is ludicrous to suggest that this is all part of the ongoing asymmetric warfare against China,

    If this really a bio attack and the Chinese government is treating it as such by locking down the city. They are not only trying to bring down the government but also targeting the people, it is total race war now. I think all bets are off on the retaliation.

  385. @Tgmy

    From a Chinese government mouthpiece:

    An analysis led by Chinese scientists published in The Lancet Public Health in September 2019 found that there were 84,200 to 92,000 flu-related deaths in China each year, accounting for 8.2 percent of all deaths from respiratory diseases.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1177725.shtml

    I haven’t found any reason to doubt China’s numbers about the coronavirus yet.

  386. @Belarusian Dude

    I haven’t started learning Russian yet, but try to know the alphabet just for kicks. Do I see something like “cringe-post” there?

    Please provide translation with non-English comments 🙂

  387. @Hail

    Presumably the nuke exchange. For one thing, because the radiation could make crops and water unsafe in a wide area for a long time.

    Also, the nuke exchange probably implies a real possibility of more nuke exchange, as well as a massive conventional war.

    Let’s pray that cooler heads prevail. In other words, that some as-yet unidentified truly peace-loving person gets elected President of the USA (and is actually allowed to act without permission of the permanents State).

    To adapt the signature phrase of our friend EliteComms: SIGHING….

  388. @Buzz Mohawk

    OT, but how is it that Corona tastes so good with a lime and so bad otherwise?

    Mi pregunta for today.

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