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Society 282 in action!

But actually, it’s not just a “society” (as in “social pressure”, no matter how artificial) by now. No flight lists are compiled by the federal government. All that because Fuentes turned out to a (legal) protest for Orange Man.

You have Ricky Vaughn railroaded for literally posting memes on Twitter in 2016.

And now, thanks to the last bastion of free journalism in the form of tabloids like The Daily Mail, we now learn that the Feds had no intention of letting Derek Chauvin walk free even in the event that the jury voted him innocent of murder for failing to correctly diagnose a fentanyl overdose when arresting a violent repeat criminal.

Overall, it’s hard to dispute Fuentes’ own assessment of the situation:

PS. I warned you against buying Coinbase for purely technical reasons – if you want exposure to cryptos, get the real thing, as opposed to an overvalued cex that augments crypto exposure and with a vastly inferior instrument to boot that gives none of the actual benefits of crypto. (Correctly, as it turns out, as it was promptly dumped upon by its own execs). That Fuentes was kicked from Coinbase further reinforces this point: “Not your keys, not your coins.” Nobody can take your Metamask wallet from you for being an anti-USG dissident. Don’t use wallets that you don’t control for dissident fundraising! Especially not ones with strong KYC and in bed with the IRS like Coinbase. That sort of defeats the entire point of crypto as it pertains to censorship resistance!

 
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  1. Please keep off topic posts to the current Open Thread.

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  2. Roy Cohn says:

    The problem with not using Coinbase and/or Gemini, is the difficulty of cashing out without using them.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  3. Znzn says:

    Because China will not want to know the history of those bitcoin transactions on binance?

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  4. @Znzn

    Alt Righters who still obsesses over muh Red China deserve to be reeducated in Gulags.

    Binance isn’t even Chinese for that matter, it is a fully offshore structure which has been the target of lawsuits from USG (to its great credit).

    That said, for dissidents, avoiding keeping their money in any cex is advisable regardless.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell, Svevlad
  5. Znzn says:

    I mean Monero is basically banned from coin exchanges.

  6. Passer by says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Alt Righters who still obsesses over muh Red China deserve to be reeducated in Gulags.

    Yeah, american right wingers are extremely ignorant. Things will get so bad for them they will be begging for China to save them.

  7. @Passer by

    Both China and Russia have a vested interest in seeing the US decline and wokeness is the way to go. Last thing they need is a resurgent white nationalist America.

    That being said, they might help white right in the future whem their potential is only to breakup the US

  8. 216 says: • Website
    @Caspar von everec

    The US Right is the real “wretched of the Earth”, denied any and all forms of cultural self-determination.

    Should we make it through this crucible, we will not forget who was ready to shiv us.

  9. @216

    I think in the long run, majority of whites in the us will be wiped through violence, low birt rates, race mixing and general zombification.

    White liberals are a different species nowadays.

    I think in the end, a small nucleus of white righters will survive. About 20-40 million. They’ll teeter on the edge of annihilation due to the woke regime in DC and Chinese encroachment.

    However, I expect a number of hardened survivors to coalesce and carve out a state in the north the Midwest, rocky mountains and the Canadian border.

    A new nation will rise from there

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @Philip Owen
    , @Cutler
  10. Passer by says:
    @216

    It is not “denied”, you are simply cowards and cuckolds who do not react to hostile activity. Who allows to be taken over in their own country without doing anything? Learn from Afghanistan, a bunch of sandal wearers kicked out combined NATO and the US from their own country.

    They have will, and you don’t, because you are psychologically paralysed, and you have been since 1945, just like those insects paralysed by spiders and then waiting to be eaten.

    And you are being slowly eaten right now.

    • Replies: @216
    , @Boomthorkell
  11. 216 says: • Website
    @Passer by

    Every act of anti-system far-right violence in my lifetime has always led to:

    -Media condemnation
    -Increased security state crackdown
    -Tech censorship
    -decrease in public support for the far-right cause in question

    The Taliban could not have succeeded without support from nuclear-armed Pakistan. No rival hegemon has ever assisted far-right factions in the West.

    You may not understand it, but “fair play” is one of my people’s most cherished values.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Passer by
    , @Robert Dolan
  12. Passer by says:
    @216

    Look you were 90 % of the western population for a long time and you complain that no one helped you? You allowed 2 % to fuck you up, lol. Russia btw supported Trump in the US, and he won. And he blew it, allowing himself to be wiped out like a total loser.

    It also supported Lega in Italy, FPO in Austria, AFD in Germany, Le Pen in France..

    No one stopped you from doing a military coup. By the way the world is a jungle, there is no fair play in it.

    It is precisely that that is killing you. Childish thinking of the type “look at what a white knight i’m”. “Look at how fair i’m”. “Look at my advanced values”.

    This is childish thinking. Sounds like decadence driven by the narcisism of all powerful wealthy empire and its people becoming decadent and obsessed with proving to each other how advanced and sophisticated (woke?) they are.

    You just bragged how you are woke (look at my values, lol) and you don’t even get it. Same thinking. They (woke ones) come from you. Other side of the medal.

    • Replies: @216
  13. 216 says: • Website
    @Passer by

    You allowed 2 % to fuck you up, lol

    This was a fight between intellectuals, and last time I checked, the populist Right is not known for intellectualism.

    This is childish thinking. Sounds like decadence driven by the narcisism of all powerful wealthy empire and its people becoming decadent.

    No, it is what we did at the Congress of Vienna, and did again by forming the UN. We ended decades of ruinous wars, and brought untold peace and prosperity. I am not going to apologize for the superiority of my civilization’s values. If the Right is to come back into power, we will do it by respectability not barbarism.

  14. @216

    Actually….it’s much worse than you mention…because a good 90% of “rightwing violence” are false flags and outright hoaxes.

    There is almost no rightwing political violence at all. The jews lie and claim that Jan.6th was a “violent takeover” when it was just Trump supporters walking around taking selfies.

    The jew media lied egregiously regarding Charlottesville as well.

    The combined “violence” of Jan.6th and Charlottesville is almost nothing….while the BLM riots were off the charts violent and yet the jews lie and claim they were peaceful.

    I’m an information junkie and I’d be hard pressed to come up with more than a couple of incidents of what I’d call violence from the right.

    In fact….I’m blanking altogether. Okay, Dylan Roof I guess.

    Generally, white people are not violence prone, and the Christian value system causes whites to be very hesitant to do violence.

  15. Passer by says:
    @216

    Whatever you have done, something is wrong with it because you got taken over by enemies of yourself in the process.

    I am not going to apologize for the superiority of my civilization’s values..

    That right there is the problem. You sound like a communist or a woke one right there.

    They are also obsessed with the superiority of their values and how they are building a city on a hill. Utopian thinking.

    The woke ones are the same as you and they come from you. They are your own brother, the other side of the western white medal.

    You are wondering why so many woke ones among western whites. It is because they come from you. It is a variation of the same thinking.

    Muh Look at my values! Look at how advanced and sophisticated i’m! You are already woke and you don’t even know it. Just not “activated” yet.

    • Agree: Jatt Aryaa, AltanBakshi
  16. I look forward to the beef ban.

    https://www.takimag.com/article/tyrannical-anarchy/

    “There is a word for the arbitrary application of the law. It is called tyranny.”

    In Sikh Raj the fine for murdering a Sikh was 4x that of a Muslim & twice of a Hindu.

  17. 216 says: • Website
    @Jatt Aryaa

    They restrain us because they know what we are capable of.

    Some burn cities, we burn continents.

    • Replies: @sher singh
  18. songbird says:

    After 9/11, Sunnis/Arabs should have been banned from entering the West. Would have helped prevented this switcheroo where they use the tool of “counter-terrorism” to harass nationalists, with little accountability.

  19. @216

    They restrain you because they can.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
  20. @216

    What a pathetic cuck you are, lol. In a sense you are more depraved than the white SJW, as the latter at least expects his woke bullshit to lead to a kind of utopian nirvana that he will get to partake in alongside his POC idols. You and other white rightoid cucknats actually understand where things are really going, yet you still brainlessly preen and virtue signal about the superiority of your “values” even as you witness your adherence to these values leading you on the path to abject defeat at the hands of enemies who rightfully scoff at your bullshit fair play and respectability.

    There is nothing respectable and superior about being left to bleed out on the floor of your own house as the “barbarians” hoist your daughters over their shoulders and piss on your dying face, but it’s a just fate for the deliberate morality cuckold. If you’re young enough to see this final chapter of the whites play out to its logical conclusion you’ll get to pay the toll in full, and that at least is “fair play” I can get on board with.

    • Replies: @216
  21. @Caspar von everec

    Both China and Russia have a vested interest in seeing the US decline and wokeness is the way to go.

    Wokeness certainly does weaken the US, but it also makes the US more haughty, aggressive and implacable. Normal Americans don’t give a crap about Uighurs in Xinjiang or gay marriage in Russia, and don’t think those things merit the bellicose threats the US Wokarchy is issuing over them. It is the wokeness that is making the US government so hostile to the ordinary internal affairs of China and Russia. Sane American oligarchs want to continue trade with China and want to keep Russia available as an OPEC alternative. To the extent ordinary Americans care about either of these countries, they just wish rich Chinese would stop buying up west coast real estate and leggy Natashas would stop swooping eligible bachelors.

    Last thing they need is a resurgent white nationalist America.

    Would a “white nationalist America” (the prospects of which are so remote as barely to warrant consideration) really be worse than Wokmerica, which is currently edging towards nuclear war over the right to dictate internal policy to both China and Russia?

    To the extent that white nationalists have any foreign policy vision at all (their main concerns are domestic) they tend to be isolationist. Indeed, when the Democrat Establishment enumerate threats posed by the nationalist right, two things they always cite are “populism” and “isolationism” (cuz you know, what could be a greater threat to Our Democracy than populism, and what could be a greater thereat to Our Values than minding our own business?). It was right wing avatar Trump who proposed pulling out of NATO. It was the Wokarchy who ensured it didn’t happen and who now want to use it to fight a war or two.

  22. 216 says: • Website
    @The Hard Life of Homo Erectus

    And what has your ignorant purity spiral ever delivered?

    The insult of “cuck” because I correctly note that a military coup is impossible.

    Yes, you lack respectability, and this is why our movements are in decline while the Regime consolidates power.

    The Swine Right creates the Woke Left.

  23. @Anatoly Karlin

    Crypto cannot be used directly to pay your bills. You need an interface where you can sell it.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  24. El Dato says:
    @Caspar von everec

    Sounds rather optimistic.

    There will be relentless attacks from the Negro & Bluehair hegemonizing menace. Israel will provide fully autonomous killtech because “friendship”. Very hard to survive.

    • Replies: @Caspar von Everec
  25. @reiner Tor

    You don’t need to keep all of it on a centralized exchange, instead just drawing down that what you need.

    • Replies: @reiner Tor
  26. @Anatoly Karlin

    That’s true, indeed it sounds retarded for a well-known dissident to keep his crypto on a centralized exchange. But he still needs access to at least one such exchange or else it gets difficult to spend the money. Unless he just wants to buy a Tesla.

    (Probably there are ways to sell it close to the market price even without such exchange, but life is going to get difficult for him.)

  27. @El Dato

    Well whites can make deterrence as well. In modern times, all you need for a weapon mass destruction is a determined agency. You can easily cultivate antrhax, plague or some horrifying disease, weaponzie it, load it into a cruise missile, and fire it.

    As for kill tech, well you can jam it or use MANPADS. Whites need to organize and fight collectively. That’s it. When whites join together and physically fight back, white genocide ends.

  28. @Almost Missouri

    Solid points.

    My only counter would be if it is actually wokeness that is driving US aggression? The Chinese are POC after all. The real beef with China is not about Uyghurs who know one knew about till 5 years ago, its about the balance of power.

    America is in inexorable decline in every aspect and China is rising at a meteoric rate. Even today after so much growth, China is only 60% urbanized. Simply rising to 80% urbanization like the rest of the deveoped world would see its GDP expand massively.

    As Karlin has shown, China is due to surpass the US navy by 2030. While Jews are allowed to do business in China, they are not allowed to rob it or enslave it. China isn’t fighting wars for Israel or giving them money.

    The CIA predicted in the 90s that China would fall like the USSR and become an open society, i.e democracy owned by Jews. That hasn’t happened.

    They simply can’t tolerate a superpower that they don’t fully own like America. Plus the US deep state isn’t happy with being the second power. Its just like how Britain in 1914 couldn’t tolerate the idea that Germany was Europe’s largest economy and would soon eclipse Britain if nothing was done.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
  29. @Anatoly Karlin

    I think Coinbase have dropped Steve Sailer as well. What do you think then is a platform where crypto can be bought, transferred and sold – even to dissidents?

    • Replies: @Jatt Aryaa
  30. xyzxy says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    You encounter it often. On Zerohedge and other ‘patriot oriented’ alternate news sites they call him ‘China Joe’ and ‘Xiden’. If you ask them how it is that if Biden is ‘controlled’ by the Chinese, then why is the regime confronting China in what can only be an anticipation of war in the South China Sea, and also driving China in to a Russian alliance against the US?

    You are given some convoluted explanation that makes no logical sense at all.

    I suspect many haven’t even thought about it that deeply, but just repeat what they’ve read somewhere. Simple explanations for simplistic minds. That, and the general fact that a lot of people just don’t like Chinese–because they ‘eat dogs’, like to spit, or something else that is irrelevant.

  31. @xyzxy

    You encounter it often. On Zerohedge and other ‘patriot oriented’ alternate news sites they call him ‘China Joe’ and ‘Xiden’.

    Does Zerohedge really a good example? I feel like it’s pro-China if anything.

    • Replies: @xyzxy
  32. xyzxy says:
    @Caspar von everec

    Both China and Russia have a vested interest in seeing the US decline and wokeness is the way to go.

    Depends what you mean by ‘decline’. China would sure like the US to decline militarily, especially around their borders. And Russia too. But economically? Not really. China has a manufacturing high tech oriented economy. Chinese are also natural merchants. They want to sell, trade and make money. The US is the world’s largest buyer. China first wants to be able to sell their goods here. And I’m not talking their cheap junk, either. I’m talking about high tech related goods. And that requires a continued strong US economy.

    So you can’t just look at it from a zero sum perspective, but rather a win win.

    As far as Chinese supporting ‘wokeness’? Chinese really don’t understand that sort of thing. That sort of anti-cultural psychology is not a Chinese characteristic. It’s a mystery to them why the US would implode in such a way.

    Westerners who have actually spent a lot of time in China have a better understanding of the situation from a Chinese perspective. If all one does is read stuff on the Internet one’s understanding will be hit and/or miss. Thinking it through from different angles can help.

  33. xyzxy says:
    @Shortsword

    To be fair, ZH is a mixed bag.

  34. There’s probably more to the Fuentes story … at least we should hope there is.

    Convertibility of your crypto to pay your bills won’t help much if they simply turn off your utilities or block your entry to stores and online shopping. I guess you might find a farmer who takes cryptos.

  35. @xyzxy

    I think there are many out there who believe that the CCP was deeply invested and involved in installing Biden with the idea the Biden regime would act as the CCP’s cat’s paw.

    That was a reasonable inference at that time.

    However, recent events have indicated that the globalist/WEF faction is firmly in control of the DC regime and are beginning to turn tail on the CCP.

    Basically, the globalist faction used the CCP to get Biden installed and are now ending that relationship, believing it is no longer useful.

    Beijing must be furious, having spent significant time and money to install what they thought was their marionette in the White House.

    • Replies: @Almost Missouri
    , @xyzxy
  36. china-russia-all-the-way says:
    @xyzxy

    Maximum decline in geopolitical terms means the dissolution of the US into multiple countries. The only plausible scenario for dissolution is if conservative white Americans are certain of election rigging and have no hope within the system of doing anything about it. In that case they will want to split off red states from the rest of the US. The aggregate GDP of the new countries will be roughly the same as the US.

    Wokeness short of leading to the dissolution of the US has its most pronounced effect on the military and officer corps as shown by Karlin. Eventually woke immigration policies could lead to enough electoral support and the passing of Medicare for All, which based on spending estimates of $3 trillion+ per year will certainly hit the military budget and number of bases worldwide.

    • Agree: Bashibuzuk
    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  37. @YetAnotherAnon

    Kucoin up to 5btc equivalent daily unverify

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  38. songbird says:
    @216

    and did again by forming the UN. We ended decades of ruinous wars, and brought untold peace and prosperity.

    You have mistaken the UN with the power of the atom. The UN should be nuked.

  39. @xyzxy

    As far as Chinese supporting ‘wokeness’? Chinese really don’t understand that sort of thing. That sort of anti-cultural psychology is not a Chinese characteristic. It’s a mystery to them why the US would implode in such a way.

    During Cultural revolution the burial place of Confucius was attacked and despoiled, skeletons of ancient emperors were dragged out mausoleums, and publicly denounced and then burned. Teachers were were beaten and humiliated by students, because they taught bourgeois values and lies, oh well, there are quite many examples of similar occasions in Chinese history.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
    , @xyzxy
  40. AK, you do realize bitcoin is not private,right? How do you think the feds prosecuted Dread Pirate Roberts?

  41. @Caspar von Everec

    “Balance of power” is a quaintly 19th century concept that the Woke neither understand nor want. The only balance they know is that everyone must submit to them.

    They simply can’t tolerate a superpower that they don’t fully own like America.

    Yes.

    Plus the US deep state isn’t happy with being the second power.

    Also true. There are non-woke factions whose objectives happen to play into wokism, so they are allowed to, but the point is they are allowed to because they are useful to the Wokists. If their objectives changed to being counter-woke, they would suddenly find they are not allowed to play into the agenda anymore.

    Its just like how Britain in 1914 couldn’t tolerate the idea that Germany was Europe’s largest economy and would soon eclipse Britain if nothing was done.

    Yes, and just like Britain’s gratuitous meddling cascaded into a century’s worth (and counting) of terrible consequences, we may well see a second cascade of gratuitously terrible consequences unleashed here.

  42. @The Wild Geese Howard

    That was a reasonable inference at that time.

    Agree. It wasn’t just reasonable, it was, as I recall, clearly spelled out on his son’s laptop that Joe Biden was getting various bribes from the ChiComs.

    Basically, the globalist faction used the CCP to get Biden installed and are now ending that relationship, believing it is no longer useful.

    Perhaps, but I think that’s unnecessarily convoluted. I think the simpler explanation is that Biden got installed because he was the best Dems had at that place and time. The $x million that the ChiComs bribed his family with are a drop in the bucket of a $billion presidential campaign, and most of the Chinese money probably went up Hunter’s nose or to his rent-a-floozies so it didn’t directly affect the election campaign anyway.

    Beijing must be furious, having spent significant time and money to install what they thought was their marionette in the White House.

    Probably. It also shows the defect of carrot-only mercantile corruption. Biden is reneging on his end of the “deal”, so now what are the ChiComs gonna do, sue him? There’s no “enforcement provision” in bribery alone. You’re just relying on the honorable word of the guy who just showed you his honorable word is up for sale. That’s why Jeffrey Epstein-Mossad corruption project was so much more effective. “Do as you’re told or your career and life are over and you’re going to jail! We have the videotape!” 100% compliance. Cheaper too. And probably more fun for those operating it.

    The Chinese thought it was going to be like China where corrupt officials do what they are bribed to do because they want to get the next bribe too. They were unprepared for the depraved and compromised conditions of the US government. The Chinese are smart though. They’ll catch on. Future corruption efforts will include sticks as well as carrots.

  43. Anatoly Karlin, or anyone in the know, what would you recommend for an initial dive into Crypto currency?

  44. @Passer by

    It’s remarkable what propaganda and twisted social values can do to a people.

    Then again, the Russians lost Russia to a form of this madness for a time, and it took concerted action from leadership in the late 90s-present to counter act its more modern iteration. What I mean from this is that, in time, White (and the other) Americans may yet pull themselves out of the abyss they have both forged and been led into, and make a better system for themselves.

    Of course, all people must suffer, especially for the sins of apathy and ignorance, let alone the sins of Empire.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  45. @Almost Missouri

    The ideal America goes Pan-Nationalist across all of North America. Isolationist in the foreign policy sense, communitarian in the local sense (White Nationalists run thrmsekces in their areas, cosmopolitan Seattle does its Seattle thing in the manner they are used to, and the Spanish a speaking regions follow their codes of conduct, along with forcibly old-ways native reservations), and with a strong focus on protectionist industry and agriculture where useful and good. Moratorium on immigration until we figure out how the get people to live together-or-separately in a North American Federation.

    Basically, live-and-let-live with the world and internally. Just make the internal much bigger, preferably to the Panama Canal and all of Canada.

    Oh, and build that train\highway to Russia and settle the North.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  46. @AltanBakshi

    Same in early USSR during the fight against religion and Great Russian chauvinism.

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  47. @Boomthorkell

    You are correct. I believe Mindset is paramount. Mindset and patient work. It can move mountains. One should never despair and work towards what one sees just and true regardless of failure or success. If the Mindset is correct, things will stabilize in due time.

    • Agree: Boomthorkell
  48. @Boomthorkell

    That would be a future I would like to witness.

    • Agree: AltanBakshi
    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
  49. Crypto. Infinite supply. Traceable. No practical uses.
    Gold. Very limited supply growth. Untraceable (sometimes). A few uses.
    Land. See Mark Twain. Traceable. Useful enough to provide income.

    In the last 800 years, the best investment for the various Oxbridge Colleges endowment funds has been grade one agricultural land. It has outlasted.

    Trading voyages to the East Indies.
    Plantations in the West Indies.
    Building factories.
    Building workers housing.
    Building railways
    Building shops and offices
    Oil
    More Housing
    Dot Coms

    Crypto too will past. The tulip, South Sea and Dot Com bubbles lasted more than a few months. Those who sold before the peak, even well before the peak, made the money. Guy’s Hospital in London was endowed with South Sea Bubble profits from someone who wasn’t greedy. Sir Isaac Newtown hung on too long. IQ does not control greed.

    Buy land. Never sell.

  50. @Caspar von everec

    Doesn’t rain much in Idaho. The aquifers won’t support potatoes and people.

    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  51. @Philip Owen

    I forgot. The Black Death pushed land prices down for a while, there was a lot of land about in England when the monastries were dissolved (most colleges bought the dip) and there was a liquidity problem for large estates just after the First World War but as the colleges weren’t selling, no matter. So even grade one agricultural land sometimes has a wobble.

  52. because all the Bolshevik Jews left europe and headed here. to do the thing they always do. the thing they’ve done in a dozen countries now for like 200 years.

    WASPs explore and build. scandinavians love africans and can’t import enough of them. italians are fat and love food. irish are drunk brawlers. jews are nation destroying communists who hate europeans.

    breeder’s equation stuff.

    stereotypes are accurate induction. Attorney General (Garfinkel) has an extremely predictable and obvious agenda.

  53. is there some reason somebody can’t use Bitstamp as their exchange? otherwise yeah, you are stuck with something like localbitcoins. i’ve used all of those. back when nobody knew about this stuff. in like 12, 13. i have a bitcoin that i bought from a guy in Chicago for 1000 bucks just sitting on one of my old computers and it’s now worth more than a new mercedes.

    bought 30 BTC for 600 bucks each back in the day on one of the exchanges. been selling them off for a tidy profit.

    not sure how those sites work now though. there’s definitely no more Mt Gox.

  54. @Philip Owen

    You might make bank with land…

    c. 2400

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  55. @Boomthorkell

    You can find info on many coins here:

    https://coinmarketcap.com/

    I’d say pick a cheapish coin, learn about it, then buy in.

    Finding exchanges that deal with smaller coins is difficult.

  56. @Philip Owen

    Doesn’t rain much in Idaho. The aquifers won’t support potatoes and people.

    Isn’t this an issue throughout the US Intermountain West?

    I feel like this is also why they have so many wildfires.

  57. @Boomthorkell

    Buying cheapish coin is bad advice. Many coins are cheapish for a reason.

    Honestly, at this stage of the bull run, I can’t recommend making any big investments into crypto. The time to do that was in late 2018 to early 2020.

    If you’re willing to commit to it long-term, I would DCA into it (mainly good coins like ETH, DPI, LINK) over the next two years, so that you don’t get burned if the bull run ends soon.

    My prediction is that BTC is going to $100k and ETH is going to $10k at peak this run but ETH could underperform if there is execution failure wrt scaling, alternatively if it works perfectly $10k could be FUD.

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  58. @xyzxy

    … a lot of people just don’t like Chinese–because they ‘eat dogs’, like to spit, or something else that is irrelevant.

    Such as being governed by a Party that engineered one of the largest famines in history. And has never been voted out of office since.

    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
    , @Xi-jinping
  59. @Anatoly Karlin

    There are increasingly many alternatives to land, true but 800 years of institutional investing says that it retains its value even if it loses share. It’s still there after the power fails.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  60. Blinky Bill says: • Website
    @Reg Cæsar

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    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  61. @Reg Cæsar

    Such a large famine that the population doubled at that time right? Shall we call this a ‘reverse famine’? The world needs more reverse famines like this.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Disagree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Blinky Bill
  62. @Bashibuzuk

    Christianity weakens Russia.

    Why do you think the Chinese Qing Emperors strove to ban Christianity? They saw that it promoted cultural dissolution rather than strengthening. This was one of the causes of the Opium Wars btw.

    If you blame the Jews for destroying “glorious Tsarist Russia”, I think the first place you should be actually looking is towards Christianity – a religion founded by a Jew, headed by Jews and aggressively spread throughout the world.

    • Replies: @Bashibuzuk
  63. Blinky Bill says: • Website
    @Xi-jinping

    [MORE]

    Biafran airlift
    Famine in Cape Verde
    2011 East Africa
    Famines in Ethiopia
    1983–1985 famine in Ethiopia
    Famine in the Tigray War
    Famine in Stela
    2006 Horn of Africa food crisis
    2005–06 Niger food crisis
    Nyasaland Famine 1949
    Rumanura famine
    Ruzagayura famine
    Rwakayihura famine
    2010 Sahel famine
    2017 Somali famine
    2017 South Sudan famine
    1993 Sudan famine
    1998 Sudan famine

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  64. Blinky Bill says: • Website
    @Blinky Bill

    The solution to Chinese incompetence of the 1956-1976 period, is not the Russian incompetence of the 1982-2000 period.

    Hard lessons were learnt by all.

    What will we make of American competency 2020-2040 ?

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  65. @Xi-jinping

    You’re knocking at the wrong door here, friend.

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    BTW it was Beltane yesterday and next Sunday is Krasnaya Gorka, which is the Slavic equivalent to Beltane.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
  66. @Anatoly Karlin

    Buying cheapish coin is bad advice. Many coins are cheapish for a reason.

    Well, yes, cheap coins are a form of gambling. If one pops, great, if not, one is only out a few thousand.

    I would not advocate for mining. Guys are running $100k rigs in their basement to mine Vertcoin (VTC) and Ravencoin (RVN) these days.

    Honestly, at this stage of the bull run, I can’t recommend making any big investments into crypto. The time to do that was in late 2018 to early 2020.

    I very much agree with this. I’m struggling to see the major coins run much further.

    I would argue that the latest time to really cheaply enter Bitcoin and Ethereum was in the 2013-2014 timeframe.

    Of course, I did not do this, having no vision or appetite for risk at that point.

    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
  67. @Philip Owen

    Buy land. Never sell.

    Assuming your land will never be nationalized, and no conquerors turn up there. These assumptions might hold in the UK. They might not hold elsewhere.

    • Agree: Blinky Bill
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  68. @Passer by

    And China would do so. The difference between the West, particularly the Four and a Half Eyes racists, and China, is one of psychology. The West has always sought dominance over others, particularly non-Westerners (through Imperialism)but also one another through internecine economic and class warfare. The ‘Individual’ is paramount, but only a very tiny proportion of individuals, not all of them.
    The Chinese, in contrast, seek harmony between nations and within Chinese society. The Chinese would happily aid America if it were not returned as race hatred, lies, threats and cajoling attempts at bullying. As the Chinese Embassy in Austfailia told the assembled presstitutes, Sinophobe bigots one and all (their jobs depend on it)the other day, Austfailia must stop looking at China as a milch-cow, to be milked for all we can get today, and slaughtered later on. That is Homo westernensis to the life-treacherous and hate-filled.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  69. Cutler says:
    @Caspar von everec

    A new White majority nation in what is now the US is going to happen in time.

    White Liberals will be replaced by the four factors you mentioned however White conservatives will not, Conservative Whites have a big fertility advantage that will grow even more pronounced over time and the woke or brain washing factories we call universities colleges etc are all going broke in the mid to long term which is leading to less centralized ways of learning inc home schooling.
    Together with the baked in differences between Normal Whites and Liberals with regards to everything from the flag to raising children we are going on divergent paths, I think we are seeing the beginnings of this divorce in movements like greater Idaho the recent Texit bill as well as West Virginia inviting Virginia counties to move there.

    When you consider that at least 75 Million people voted for a guy the elite told them was a Nazi 24/7 that’s further underlines the fault lines we can all observe.

    Borders will change and not just in the US but Canada too in time.

  70. xyzxy says:
    @The Wild Geese Howard

    Beijing must be furious, having spent significant time and money to install what they thought was their marionette in the White House.

    How much money did they spend? And where did they spend it? And how much time did they spend? And whose time was it?

    I’m not trying to be a crank. It’s just when I read these sorts of explanations it makes me wonder if it’s actually something that happened, or something someone just made up, and then is repeated over the ‘Net.

    • Agree: reiner Tor
    • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
  71. xyzxy says:
    @AltanBakshi

    You certainly have a point about ‘mass’ psychology. But it’s only a superficial point within the Chinese context.

    The difference between what is going on in the US today, and what went down during the CR, is that the point of contention within the Maoist faction was not directed against ‘Chinese qua Chinese’, but rather was directed against the ‘old regime’ (and, by extension, certain of Mao’s then current political opponents, such as Lin Biao). The idea propagated during the CR was that those ‘struggled against’ were not authentic Chinese in their thinking, but instead were representatives of Western (and to an extent Soviet Russian) thought/idiologies.

    So here’s the big difference: the CR was an indigenous Chinese ‘revolutionary’ movement run by Chinese, and not meant to replace Chinese with non-Chinese; the current US ‘wokeness’ has as its goal the racial replacement of the white majority, and is pushed by Jews along with other non ‘majority members’ such as blacks.

    Also, it is understood that as soon as Mao died the Jiang Qing faction was quickly arrested, things turned around 180 degrees, and Deng’s ‘Socialism with Chinese Characteristics’ has prevailed since the early ’70s.

    So while there may be some similarities between ‘wokeness’ and the CR from a mass psychological movement standpoint, the deeper ground is dissimilar.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  72. @The Wild Geese Howard

    If one pops, great, if not, one is only out a few thousand.

    Sure. But vast, vast majority of coins crab and go to nothing. Do you have the insider information and/or superlative analytical acumen to identify them?

    But FWIW, my best guess as to 100x+ potential coins right now are Kleros (decentralized judiciary), PARSIQ (smart triggers), and Rubic (meta-dex).

    I’m struggling to see the major coins run much further.

    DeFI is replicating all the functions of traditional finance but with much less hassle and more security. Its total mc now is ~$100B. All publicly traded financial institutions in the US alone are worth $10T. In the long term, I suspect even current prices will be seen as bargain basement opportunities come 2030 or even 2025, and you will kick yourself for not buying Chainlink at $40.

    Too late to make billions from it, not too late to make millions.

  73. @xyzxy

    How much money did they spend? And where did they spend it? And how much time did they spend? And whose time was it?

    The contents of Hunter’s laptop address these questions.

  74. @Philip Owen

    I say, why not both?

    Any gains I make would go towards buying land and the means to retain said land.

  75. @reiner Tor

    True. The last arbitary seizure of land in the UK was the Dissolution of the Monastries which was over by the early 1540s. Since then the Soveriegn’s powers have been increasingly reduced. 500 years of stability in property law is unusual.

  76. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I mostly agree but China has not put Mao fully behind it yet. Relapse is still quite possible. Xi is in fact going down that road.

  77. Svevlad says:
    @216

    We ended decades of ruinous wars, and brought untold peace and prosperity.

    And that right there, is the crux of the problem, and the reason of your imminent deletion from the world-system.

    You artificially stop every war, every organic sociopolitical rearrangement, to bring “peace and prosperity” – as in to keep the good times going and make people increasingly weak and cucked.

    THE POZZ of globohomo isn’t some consequence of subversion, it’s been the holiest and highest goal of the westoid civilization from the very start. To the point that I would dare say that western civilization is defined by this. It IS the very pozz itself.

    It started when the gene-pozzed germanic barbarians destroyed Rome, and it will continue until a sufficient amount of sane DNA (mediterranean, dinarid, arabic, whatever) is present within the peoples that form the western civilization. Until then – involuntary clown world by a bunch of autistic sissies with god complex.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  78. @Svevlad

    As a product of Western Civilization, and a person who is a fan of history, I think what really needs to be said is that: “It had some incredibly good things and some incredibly bad things.”

    That’s really all there is to it. The West managed to soft-ban pederastry by sheer cultural force, a much-loved tradition for the world, and then simultaneously in the modern era, try to make it cool again. The West was the modern Mongol Empire to the fractured and complacent countries of the world, for better and for worse (maybe “we” were the karmic response of the world to their own evils: suffering for suffering. Forced Evolution through Conflict). I would prefer a West that stuck solely, and I mean solely, to colonizing the New World and investing in itself, but it’s not like being run by a Caliphate was a great alternative. The Caliphates all fell apart for a reason. China’s dynasties were pretty great, but they still imploded every now and then. India’s Empires were great, but the British weren’t the first foreign invaders to roll in.

    Anyhow, people should look at what is good in their civilization and strive to keep or improve them, because it is likely what is natural to their people (and modify accordingly), and look at what is bad or no longer feasible and do the same. The West won’t solve its problems by becoming China, Japan or Iran, just as China, Japan and Iran couldn’t solve their problems by becoming America. Hell, we can’t even become like each other. America should never have adapted the Prussian School System, and Greece being in the came economic/political entity as Germany seems laughable. Russia tried to become a German’s idea of Utopia and that worked out poorly.

    Having said all that..as much as I really, really, really hate our modern Empire in all of its Neo-Liberal, Global Migrant Labor Force, Pozzed-“glory”…I guess it beats being the poor bastards who got colonized by this looney bunch. What does that say about them? I think Karlin pointed out that once when he mentioned that the Afghans will likely never be a force in the world, but the Rainbow Flag Legion remains a goliath in need of a knee-capping.

    Here’s hoping for the end of The Empire, and the West figuring out what it needs to do to undo all that bad karma, and the rest of the world getting to live in a brighter age. Possibly one brighter with healthy small conflicts and good, solid infrastructure investment.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
    , @songbird
  79. @Boomthorkell

    I would prefer a West that stuck solely, and I mean solely, to colonizing the New World and investing in itself, but it’s not like being run by a Caliphate was a great alternative. The Caliphates all fell apart for a reason. China’s dynasties were pretty great, but they still imploded every now and then. India’s Empires were great, but the British weren’t the first foreign invaders to roll in.

    People of the non west were doing excellent in expelling of Muslims, from India to Russia. Before the British came to the subcontinent, Sikhs and Marathas had completely destroyed local Muslim empires, and were in the process of driving Mahomeddans to Hindukush, but then the eternal Anglo came and spoiled the party. And theres never been a power more dangerous to Islam than the Russian empire, Russians defeated countless Muslim states, forced Muslims to retreat from the Steppes, Balkans and Caucasus, and without the interference of Britain and France, or the oh, so good and fine West, Russia would have liberated Constantinople, Armenian Highlands and Trebizond, there would have been no Armenian(there were multiple), Greek or Assyrian genocides if evil Britain would have not supported the Ottoman Empire with all her might. So kindly **** off with your “run by caliphate alternative!”

    Some of the Muslims states beaten by Russia:

    -Crimean Khanate
    -Sibir Khanate
    -Kazan Khanate
    -Kazakh Khanate
    -Astrakhan Khanate
    -Golden Horde (or it’s remnants)
    -Nogai Horde
    -Ottoman Empire, repeatedly
    -Khiva Khanate
    -Kokand Khanate
    -Emirate of Bukhara
    -Persia, repeatedly
    -Countless various Circassian, Chechen and Dagestani Islamic states

    And unlike European conquests in Africa, like British conquest of Zanzibar Sultanate, all these states were rules by Turkic or Caucasian warrior caste. Or How French and British got Egypt or Tunisia, because rulers of those countries could not pay their loans, they dealt with loans by accepting the presence of western armies in their lands.

    USA and Britain have done their very best in the destruction of indigenous Christians of the Middle East. So thanks a lot you guys!

  80. @AltanBakshi

    And yet, the Mutiny was in the name of the Sultan and loyal troops (the great majority) from all over India helped to suppress it. The Marathras were nothing without the French. The Nepalese were the resistance.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  81. @Caspar von everec

    The last thing the world needs is a ‘..resurgent white nationalist America’ aka the Fourth Reich Part Two.

  82. songbird says:
    @Boomthorkell

    An interesting alternative history would be one where Moroccans colonized the New World, as indeed they were interested in doing. Presumably, then there would not have been the same intellectual achievements that came out of America.

    • LOL: Boomthorkell
    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  83. songbird says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Wasn’t most of the Sikh army Muslim? Somehow I got the idea that their empire was rather multicult.

  84. @AltanBakshi

    Oh, I was actually thinking of the Marathas when I was writing about India’s Empires (and who could forget the Sikhs or Palas?) It remains though that many (North\Central) Indian Empires were born out of Central Asian powers, Islamic or not. The Anglos are not eternal was my point, but a variation (and global expansion) on foreign invaders looking to get rich off of Indian labor and resources. God help us if they were eternal! Ha ha ha. No one is, I think.

    Ha ha, I didn’t mean to imply that without Europe, the world would be ruled by mini-Caliphates or an expanded Ottoman Empire. While I’m not saying Russia was the same as the Franks, they certainly did have some connections and were both having a fun time, at times, righteously crusading. Alas, the Catholics and Frankish\Germanic West decided eventually that Russian\Greek Orthodox were a bigger threat than the Musulmans (in a sense, of course, they right. Russia was a strong independent power, while the Muslim peoples by then were something easily ruled over.)

    Anyhow, what I meant was just that, of the competing civilizational models of the era, it wasn’t like any of the others were pure-100% winners. Thus, I listed the “Caliphate” (those who think a strictly religious, “based”, Islamic society was a better competitor), East Asia, and South Asia (both models that are better fitting for their people, than others.) I didn’t even mention Russia simply because I would find it offensive to totally exclude them from Europe, when they never excluded themselves. I’m just saying ” The West” in the modern, more annoying sense.

    Anyhow, I absolutely agree on Russia. You’d be pleased with some of my EU games ; D

    Also, yes on the Middle Eastern Christians too. I don’t *like* what my civilization has done, and continues to do, abroad. It’s evil. I’m just not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, or forgetting all historical context in my own wrath against the system and culture around me. People from other civilizations are welcome to hate, though. It’s good for a healthy sense of nationalism.

  85. @songbird

    I really recommend, “The Years of Salt and Rice.”

    • Agree: Philip Owen
    • Thanks: songbird
  86. @Philip Owen

    Till 1857 British ruled and minted coins in the name of the sultan, also Marathas were a pre eminent power in subcontinent long before the coming of French, until they were beaten by the British. Maratha power was completely indigenous, what are you talking?

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  87. @xyzxy

    The idea propagated during the CR was that those ‘struggled against’ were not authentic Chinese in their thinking, but instead were representatives of Western (and to an extent Soviet Russian) thought/idiologies.

    False, the main accusation against those who were persecuted during the CR was that they were not revolutionary and communist enough. Mao’s China claimed to be more orthodox in communism than USSR and it’s allies. It’s true that some were accused of being agents of western or soviet imperialists, but holding of traditional chinese values was seen as being anti-regime and enemy of the people. You are just making up facts.

    Mao’s China was a socialist internationalist state, as can be seen from Chinese propaganda of that time. Mao saw himself as most important leader in the international anti-imperialist struggle against western capitalists. How’s that authentic Chinese?

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    • Agree: Daniel Chieh
    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  88. The idea propagated during the CR was that those ‘struggled against’ were not authentic Chinese in their thinking, but instead were representatives of Western (and to an extent Soviet Russian) thought/idiologies.

    False, the main accusation against those who were persecuted during the CR was that they were not revolutionary and communist enough. Mao’s China claimed to be more orthodox in communism than USSR and it’s allies. It’s true that some were accused of being agents of western or soviet imperialists, but holding of traditional chinese values was seen as being anti-regime and enemy of the people. You are just making up facts.

    Mao’s China was a socialist internationalist state, as can be seen from Chinese propaganda of that time. Mao saw himself as most important leader in the international anti-imperialist struggle against western capitalists. How’s that authentic Chinese?

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  89. @Blinky Bill

    What does this have to do with China and the cultural revolution?

  90. @Blinky Bill

    Such ‘incompetence’ that during the Cultural Revolution/Great Leap Forward years, Chinese GDP INCREASED for the first time since Qing Rule. And its population almost doubled. Also, Mao’s nomenklatura laid the ground work that a later Mao apparatchik (Deng Xiaoping) would leverage into producing one of the strongest world economies.

    So much for ‘incomptence’ lol.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  91. @AltanBakshi

    For some reason when I first clicked publish button, this post didn’t appear, but only later, so could you Karlin remove this comment?

  92. @Xi-jinping

    Well, as Mao said of Stalin to Kruchev, “I always said, now, and then in Moscow, that the criticism of Stalin’s mistakes is justified. We only disagree with the lack of strict limits to criticism. We believe that out of Stalin’s ten fingers, three were rotten ones.” Wise words Chairman, wise words! Similarly one can say, that three of Mao’s fingers were rotten. Thanks to him China was united, but Cultural Revolution and Long Leap Forwards, were pure idiocy, there are many African countries with growing GDP, that have their populations doubled or more, after gaining their independence, but is that itself a sure sign of success?

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  93. @AltanBakshi

    Thanks to him China was united, but Cultural Revolution and Long Leap Forwards, were pure idiocy

    No. They are ‘pure idiocacy’ to arm chair historians such as yourself. In fact, both policies made pre-eminent sense at the time – the Cultural Revolution was an attempt to democratize China and give the people more power whereas the Great Leap Forward was a recognition of a need to rapidly industralize. There were mistakes made – but ultimately they were successful – the population grew, China retained its culture (mostly – just look at how much the CCP promotes Chinese traditional culture currently), and the population doubled.

    If the CR and GLF were ‘idiocacy’, while seeing rapid GDP growth/population increases I don’t know what success is then.

    after gaining their independence,

    You do realize that China was ruled by the KMT for almost thirty years before that (after freeing itself from the Europeans)? And during this time there was no grow in population (in fact there was famine for almost the entire duration), widespread corruption and little (if any) GDP growth? So your argument comparing China of that time to post-independence Africa countries is mistaken.

  94. @Xi-jinping

    Just look at the Maddison Project: China’s GDP per capita was only slightly higher during KMT times than late Qing. After cratering in WWII the economy rapidly recovered up to 1953 (at a moderately lower level than Korea) when it started to stagnate and go downhill in the Great Leap Forward. After recovering at the start of Cultural Revolution it expanded slowly until Deng came around and opened the country up. Almost all economic growth in China happened after the mid-70s.

    There was a dent in population because of the Great Leap Forward, kind of like Stalinist Russia/Ukraine in the 30s, but not as drastic as in Soviet Kazakhstan where the native Kazakh population only recovered in size 35 years later.

    Alternate history KMT China post WWII would had more substantial growth and development for sure, but that’d be a different East Asia.

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
    , @Xi-jinping
  95. @Yellowface Anon

    Sure. There was a dip in 1960 in Chinese population growth but it did not alter the overall trajectory of growth, as seen in the link below:

    “During 1960–2015, the population grew to nearly 1.4 billion. Under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. This growth slowed because of the one-child policy instituted in 1979”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#:~:text=Historical%20population,-Main%20article%3A%20Population&text=Under%20Mao%20Zedong%2C%20China%20nearly,to%20969%20million%20in%201979.

    As we can see from the link below, China’s GDP grew overall throughout Mao’s years (albeit slowly, but grew nonetheless). It’s growth picked up under Deng’s reforms – however, there are many who argue that this insane growth seen under Deng would not have been possible without the base Mao established:

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-economic-growth-history/

    Keep in mind, that Deng remained an avowed Marxist throughout his life, despite adopting a mixed economy and liberalizing China economically.

  96. @Yellowface Anon

    Sure. There was a dip in 1960 in Chinese population growth but it did not alter the overall trajectory of growth, as seen in the link below:

    “During 1960–2015, the population grew to nearly 1.4 billion. Under Mao Zedong, China nearly doubled in population from 540 million in 1949 to 969 million in 1979. This growth slowed because of the one-child policy instituted in 1979”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China#:~:text=Historical%20population,-Main%20article%3A%20Population&text=Under%20Mao%20Zedong%2C%20China%20nearly,to%20969%20million%20in%201979.

    As we can see from the link below, China’s GDP grew overall throughout Mao’s years (albeit slowly, but grew nonetheless). It’s growth picked up under Deng’s reforms – however, there are many who argue that this insane growth seen under Deng would not have been possible without the base Mao established:

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/china-economic-growth-history/

    Keep in mind, that Deng remained an avowed Marxist throughout his life, despite adopting a mixed economy and liberalizing China economically.

    • Replies: @Yellowface Anon
  97. @AltanBakshi

    Correction, I should have written, in the name of the ‘Mughal Emperor,’ and not ‘sultan.’

  98. Coconuts says:
    @AltanBakshi

    Or How French and British got Egypt or Tunisia, because rulers of those countries could not pay their loans, they dealt with loans by accepting the presence of western armies in their lands.

    The Egyptian army was defeated at Tel El Kebir in 1882, they did not just hand the country over. Later there were a series of Anglo-Egyptian campaigns against the Mahdists in Sudan, who could forget Gordon of Khartoum and the fuzzy-wuzzies?

    In other parts of Africa handfuls of French and British officers leading small numbers of native askaris and tirailleurs subjugated all of the Islamic powers there.

    Russia would have liberated Constantinople, Armenian Highlands and Trebizond, there would have been no Armenian(there were multiple), Greek or Assyrian genocides if evil Britain would have not supported the Ottoman Empire with all her might.

    While the Armenian genocide was going on Britain and France were at war with the Ottoman Empire and were attempting to invade Anatolia, which was made more difficult as a result of the assistance the Germans had given to the Turkish army.

    When the allies dismembered the Ottoman Empire Greece was allowed to occupy much of Anatolia but was later defeated by Turkish nationalists, apparently supported by the nascent Soviet Union.

    If it is just a question of reducing the amount of poz in the world, Britain should have accepted the Fuhrer’s tacit offer of joining the New Order in Europe in summer 1940 and allowed the Germans to teach and purify the British population of the degeneracy that he believed had set in due to urban life and mass democracy. There would probably have been more famines in India and Africa in subsequent years.

    • Replies: @AltanBakshi
  99. @Xi-jinping

    Would an ATL KMT China have developed to the height of OTL Red China, surpassed it or languished below it?

  100. @Xi-jinping

    The Kuomintang never fully controlled the whole of China, and when they managed to control the bulk of the population in the 1930s, they were interrupted by the Japanese attack after a few years, but in the core coastal areas industrialization picked up in those years. I think it’s pretty obvious that China would have industrialized no matter what, the Second World War and the Maoist experiment likely slowed it down a lot. Mao’s big achievement was winning the civil war and unifying the country, though after 1945 the nationalists might have been able to do that, had their military strategy been sounder, and especially if they had also received aid from America. (As it happened, there was even an arms embargo during the most critical period of the civil war.)

    Also perhaps a Kuomintang China might be way more pozzed than the PRC.

    • Replies: @Xi-jinping
  101. @Coconuts

    The Egyptian army was defeated at Tel El Kebir in 1882, they did not just hand the country over. Later there were a series of Anglo-Egyptian campaigns against the Mahdists in Sudan, who could forget Gordon of Khartoum and the fuzzy-wuzzies?

    The ruler of Egypt, Khedive, could not pay his loans, so he accepted the presence of foreign troops. Yes, some of the troops rebelled against Khedive and foreigners, but not all.

    While the Armenian genocide was going on Britain and France were at war with the Ottoman Empire and were attempting to invade Anatolia, which was made more difficult as a result of the assistance the Germans had given to the Turkish army.

    When the allies dismembered the Ottoman Empire Greece was allowed to occupy much of Anatolia but was later defeated by Turkish nationalists, apparently supported by the nascent Soviet Union.

    You Anglos are sly folk, how convenient for you to forget everything that happened before the First World War. For whole 19th century Britain actively supported Ottomans against Russia and every time when Russia was close of destroying the sick beast once and for all, British intervened, either directly as in Crimean War, or by threatening war if Russia starts or continues hostilities with the Osmans. If British would have accepted the natural course of events, Ottoman Empire would have collapsed half a century before the Great War, thus countless of Christians and various other minorities of the Empire would have been saved from the fate that later befell on them. There was not just one Armenian genocide, but three, and there were various other genocides before the Great War, like Bulgarian genocide. If you know Dostoyevsky well, you might remember what the great writer said of turks in the Brothers Karamazov.

    If it is just a question of reducing the amount of poz in the world, Britain should have accepted the Fuhrer’s tacit offer of joining the New Order in Europe in summer 1940 and allowed the Germans to teach and purify the British population of the degeneracy that he believed had set in due to urban life and mass democracy. There would probably have been more famines in India and Africa in subsequent years.

    Britain, USSR, German Reich, were all deeply spiritually corrupted nations, but at least UK and USSR were little bit more humane than the Germans, both were not planning of destruction of whole people like Germans with Poles. The present state of our societies is not the fault of the masses who fought in the war, they did their best in hard circumstances, the true reason lies in elites, and in some hostile elements, which lied dormant in those years.

    Africa as a problem, is directly because of Anglos and French, it’s you who brought the green revolution there, Sub-Saharan Africa had only tens of millions people one hundred years ago. Like who is so bad in conquering that in less than century her former subjects have 10-20 times larger population, and at the same time her own people are demographically collapsing? Russia’s present situation is not a laughing matter, but at least Russia got hope, real hope.

    • Agree: freedom-cat
  102. Coconuts says:

    You Anglos are sly folk, how convenient for you to forget everything that happened before the First World War.

    Not forgetting, but not accepting claims that Britain and France did nothing that would have prevented the Armenian genocide in 1915-16. never successfully fought Muslims (the Imperial Russian military didn’t have some special or unique capability there) and that the only way of preventing the killings of Christians was to hand the Bosporus, the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean over to the hegemony of the Russian Empire. Which would have meant a major European war on account of that later and some sort of ongoing Turkish insurgency.

    Africa as a problem, is directly because of Anglos and French, it’s you who brought the green revolution there, Sub-Saharan Africa had only tens of millions people one hundred years ago

    .

    Here it would be pozzed to ignore the role of the Soviet Union in the decolonisation of Africa, in creating and promoting anti-imperialist ideology, in pushing for African development and in subverting the only European powers who had an idea of how ending the European presence in Africa might impact the future of Europe. The US and the Soviet Union did this in their own perceived national interests at that time, but they still did it.

    The idea that Africa should have been isolated and left unexplored (the Portuguese at fault here) and no modern technology or knowledge should have been transferred is an interesting one.

    Like who is so bad in conquering that in less than century her former subjects have 10-20 times larger population, and at the same time her own people are demographically collapsing?

    Every nation that was militarily powerful and capable of conquest 100 years ago is now experiencing demographic decline. By the early 20th century it was clear the major potential for growth was mainly outside of Europe.

    Britain, USSR, German Reich, were all deeply spiritually corrupted nations, but at least UK and USSR were little bit more humane than the Germans, both were not planning of destruction of whole people like Germans with Poles.

    The Germans appear to have somehow had a grasp or foresight about the potential future, that populations outside of Europe could expand massively once technology and development started to spread there, that racial or ethnic conflict could be a permanent fixture of human life, that industrialised European society was causing falls in fertility even in the 1920s and that prosperity could cause populations to somehow degenerate and adopt bizarre behaviours. But as you suggest, there were serious moral and ethical problems with the solutions they thought of adopting.

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  103. @Coconuts

    the Imperial Russian military didn’t have some special or unique capability there

    Russia has fought with Muslims almost from the very inception of Rus state, already in 10th century princes of Vladimir warred with the Muslim Turks of Volga Bulgaria.

    and that the only way of preventing the killings of Christians was to hand the Bosporus, the Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean over to the hegemony of the Russian Empire. Which would have meant a major European war on account of that later and some sort of ongoing Turkish insurgency.

    You are now making a straw man, and not just one, but two strawmen, or maybe even three! Your deceptive nature is absolutely same as the nature of your forefathers! Russia had no designs for conquering other areas than the Bosborus Straits, Trebizond and neighbouring Armenian Highlands. Where you got this idea, that Russian Empire planned to annex whole of Ottoman Empire under it’s dominion? Russians are not as greedy as Anglos are, maybe you are projecting? As I stated previously:

    “and without the interference of Britain and France, or the oh, so good and fine West, Russia would have liberated Constantinople, Armenian Highlands and Trebizond”

    Therefore those areas which has Christian majorities or pluralities would have been saved from the worst, even the Ottoman Thrace had a Christian majority, before the turks ethnically cleansed or exterminated Thracian Bulgarians in 1913.

    But you even have a gall to claim that it was justified for Britain to deny Russia the control of Bosborus, even though they were crucially important for Russia’s foreign trade, and at the same time you probably don’t see any problem of British control over Suez and Gibraltar, which were important, but less critical for the existence of Britain than the free passage of goods through the Bosborus were for Russia’s well being. One of main factors for Russia’s economical collapse in WW1, was the closing of the Straits. Hypocrite with dual standards that is an Engländer!

    Romania, Bulgaria and Greece, were all established thanks to Russian intervention, were those countries then after their independence Russian puppets, did they end under Russia’s hegemony? No and no, once again you are desperately lying in justifying the crimes of your nation. It’s likely that if Russia could have acted freely with the Ottomans, the present day Bulgaria, Armenia and Greece would be much larger, and other European powers would have kept Greece and Bulgaria as not dependent on Russia, for Greece being under Russian hegemony, was never a possibility, for Russia lacked a strong navy, unlike other great European powers, and Greece’s geography is dominated by the sea, so no hegemony there without a strong navy.

    some sort of ongoing Turkish insurgency.

    As I stated previously, Russia had no plans of occupying whole of Anatolia, but even if they had, Russia was no child in dealing with Muslim subjects, for she had centuries of experience of ruling over various Mahommeddans. Clearly in your opinion Russia is so bad that there would have been a bitter Muslim insurgency, but when British are occupying Muslim lands, such matters are not a problem?

    Here it would be pozzed to ignore the role of the Soviet Union in the decolonisation of Africa, in creating and promoting anti-imperialist ideology, in pushing for African development and in subverting the only European powers who had an idea of how ending the European presence in Africa might impact the future of Europe. The US and the Soviet Union did this in their own perceived national interests at that time, but they still did it.

    The idea that Africa should have been isolated and left unexplored (the Portuguese at fault here) and no modern technology or knowledge should have been transferred is an interesting one.

    True and true, still I personally believe that Arab, Portuguese and German rule in Africa would have been in the longer run better and more beneficial to humanity, than the British and French rule were.

    The Germans appear to have somehow had a grasp or foresight about the potential future, that populations outside of Europe could expand massively once technology and development started to spread there, that racial or ethnic conflict could be a permanent fixture of human life, that industrialised European society was causing falls in fertility even in the 1920s and that prosperity could cause populations to somehow degenerate and adopt bizarre behaviours. But as you suggest, there were serious moral and ethical problems with the solutions they thought of adopting.

    There is no racial conflict in Russia or India, and both countries are very diverse. There has been ethnic conflicts as long as there has been ethnicities, similarly there has been civil wars as long as there has been states. NSDAP made a huge service to our enemies, both good and bad that were even remotely associated them, were left with the reek of Nazism, Liberalism was already slowly dying, but was revived thanks to Hitler.

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  104. @AltanBakshi

    The Russian Empire, from the time of Peter, wanted Constantinople as the first step towards the conquest of India. This is not a secret. The Russian Tsar Paul attempted to launch an invasion of India with FRench support in 1801. The Crimean War was primarily undertaken, at least by Britian, to stop Russia moving through the Balkans to Constantinople. I wouldn’t say Imperial Russia was conspicuosly restrained in its colonial ambition. They somehow managed to occupy Siberia and the Caucusus.

  105. @Philip Owen

    If learned Britons still believe in such old lies, then there is truly no hope for England! I would not never guessed that Disraeli’s propaganda is still taken as truth. Paul’s plans were a fantastical anomaly, it’s not like British never had any impractical and unrealistic plans, which were later abandoned when it became clear how impossible they were.

    One of main factors for Russia’s economical collapse in WW1,

    Correction: “One of the main factors why Russia’s economy collapsed in WW1,” sorry for such a simple and glaring mistake, there was nothing “economical” about Russia’s collapse.

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  106. @Philip Owen

    Coconuts and other Englishmen, I am sorry, there was no need for me to be so insulting and childish towards your people and country. It’s perfectly natural for people to love their nation, see best in her and not always notice her errors. The sins of Russia are also grave, though not in her traditional Russian manifestation, and Russia has already paid a heavy price for her transgressions.

    There’s a funny thing about time and temporality, nothing is ever as it seems.

  107. @Philip Owen

    The Russian Empire, from the time of Peter, wanted Constantinople as the first step towards the conquest of India.

    The first step: Constantinople.
    The second step: ???
    The third step: India!
    But what’s the second step? Somewhere it must contain little things like building the strongest navy on the planet and the conquest of Suez, and before it was built, building the canal…

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  108. @AltanBakshi

    The Straits had nothing to do with it, labor strikes after the February Revolution caused a decline and then Bolshevism collapsed it. Russian industrial production was 25% higher in 1916 than in 1914.

  109. @reiner Tor

    The 1801 invasion aimed to cross overland from Central Asia to india. Mostly the objective was Aleppo rather than Egypt. Ships carried goods to Kuwait and then were shipped up the Tigris and Euphrates. This was a more direct route than Egypt. It also was consistent with the Tsar’s claim to be the leader of all Orthodox Christians, the Egyptian Copts being less Orthodox than the various Christian sects scattered across modern Iraq and Syria. There were Orthodoxmonks and nuns trapped in the early part of the present Syrian war.

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  110. @china-russia-all-the-way

    Yes, you’re right that mass immigration has substantially altered our culture and politics, as intended by those trying to swamp and dispossess us. But:

    Without anyone voting who was born outside the usa or has a parent born outside the usa, US Citizens would give majority support to publicly funded universal medical and dental insurance on their own.

    Secondly, if the dollar loses its status as world reserve currency, the overspending binge will have to stop, and military / foreign-base / war spending would have to be drastically reduced — whether or not the fed gov institutes costly new entitlement programs like universal medical insurance.

  111. @Jatt Aryaa

    Point unclear but try appr’d unprove communicate nonsense.

  112. @Philip Owen

    So Constantinople had nothing to do with the 1801 attempt, while reaching Aleppo would perhaps have captured a small chunk of the India trade, which was captured by the Ottomans in the absence of a Russian conquest of Constantinople (and Aleppo).

    In other words, Constantinople had nothing to do with India.

  113. @reiner Tor

    Victory in the East by invading the West!

  114. @reiner Tor

    What we saw was a KMT that was unable to do much of anything – including unifying the country, building any sort of industrial base or reducing corruption in any appreciable quantity. KMT relying on America would have led to China becoming another American colony rather than taking revenge for its century of humiliation.

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